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This, and see, I don't know where that's not working. Hello, testing.

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So,

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I bet we'll hear it on this in a second.

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So, those that are here, well, come and doesn't look like we have any public hearing, but that's okay.

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We got a number of presentations, but we're here going to start.

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We're going to start out with a word of prayer, and I asked Heather if she would do that.

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Our dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for the opportunity we have to be here together as a council and be able to serve the great city of Lehigh.

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Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for the blessings that we have and for the opportunities that we have to live here and

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this state in this nation. We ask the Father to have thy spirit to be with us that we can be inspired and we can be

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thoughtful in the things that we do and that we can

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listen to those who have concerns with the open mind.

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Heavenly Father, please be with

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our first responders and those who

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Service that they can be protected and kept safe from harm.

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We'll be farther and we'll think for all of our blessings.

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We'll be safe soon.

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We'll be safe soon.

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a matter of roll call, all our city council members are present tonight.

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So that moves us to item two.

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The parks master plan update has been postponed.

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hopefully just keeps getting better.

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So we will not have item 2.1.

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Oh, both of them speak to that mayor.

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Oh, sorry, they're hoping in December.

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Oh, we'll be back for that.

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we hope so.

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2. Before I forget, we do have to have an executive session and we're probably going to put that at the end of the meeting tonight.

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That's what we surprisingly have time after pre-council, but I don't know that we will.

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Okay, item 2.2 is the discussion of draft, bike and pedestrian plan.

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So a draft bike is that when you ride right close behind somebody?

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Okay, I'm going to record it.

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All right,

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now this is always your guys' favorite thing to talk about, so that's why I'm here.

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So today we're just, mostly I want to talk about the vision and goals, but just as a quick update,

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we're doing this fine in-house, that's why it takes so long that we are slowly,

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but surely making progress.

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We're currently working on a text draft and working on the final map and everything.

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Let's see.

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Here we go.

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So yeah, we're going through drafting the plan.

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We're kind of doing it as a team member.

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Our hope is to have the tech straf done by the end of the year.

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We'll see how that goes.

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Things have just been busy.

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Always doing the best we can to keep it going.

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But we specifically want to talk about vision goals.

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And kind of where this will establish kind of the next five to 10 years

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of what we'd like to do with the plan.

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So a lot of these decision and goals come back

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I'm primarily from feedback from public outreach that we've done.

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We've done surveys, we've done this mapping exercise, done in-person community workshops.

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I need to even one-on-one meetings, a lot of community members.

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Then we've done the goal-sitting exercise with the on-equestion and the council.

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I know not everyone was able to participate, so this is just kind of coming out from the feedback

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we have heard.

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We also have our steering committee, which involves a lot of city staff.

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And kind of like I mentioned, these are these goals are oriented towards the next five to 10 years where the most support things we should be working on

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So the two things we mostly heard coming out of all the feedback was safety

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It was number one concern and then connectivity was kind of this number two that was coming up

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So a lot of the goals tend to go around these two things

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And you can see that right image there the steering committee and those were able to

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attend the Planning Commission Council.

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We've got to put this exercise,

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putting dots on some of those.

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We've got a bunch of draft goals, potentially not just

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doing stuff all over, and then we have seven goals today

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we'll go over there once that kind of came out on top.

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So first, just the vision that came out from everything was

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that Lehigh will be safe and comfortable for families and

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individuals of all ages and abilities to walk by

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and roll to their desired destinations.

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And I think that all ages and abilities really kind of ties in closely with this idea of creating

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family-centered community, so we really want to make sure anybody can get around

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safely.

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So, goal number one is to update development code and design standard requirements.

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We've done a little bit of this so far with engineering and public works, but do some

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updates towards design requirements that we all can get on board with.

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some of them that we've done are like the curb extensions on site streets and for private

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streets who've done these what we call continuous crossings.

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But continue to look at that and see what we can do to ensure more comfort and safety

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with the way things are designed.

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Going over two that came out was adding 20% of the missing sidewalks.

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I was hoping to have an idea of what that's going to look like.

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I'll have to come back to you guys with that.

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But what is that going to look like?

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What number or what amount of sidewalks is that going to be for city?

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And this is mostly for the collector road kind of system so like this is 11th west right here, so obviously there's no sidewalks and both sides of the road once you hit that fence there

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Go through the power department's been awesome working with us on this so far but what kind of came out

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All the comments was in the next 5 10 years maybe get 25% of our trails with lighting on them. This would just be the trails that aren't along roadways that already have lighting

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It's like this image here, this is actually a trail that we're going to get some funding on.

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From our station, but part of these proposals are to put lighting in with them to help with year-round ability to have safer trails and visibility, but also in the later hours.

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The fourth goal, this really gets that connectivity, but it's to connect key destinations like schools and transit downtown.

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There's a lot of opportunity missed opportunity right now, but not having downtown connected, but also looking at connections to neighboring communities, so this really gets you after focusing.

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Other than what development started building, but focusing our efforts on making these connections.

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Kind of tied to that is looking, this was kind of a percentage of the total build-out from here.

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But looking at additional 11 miles of pay trails and additional 12 miles of onstreet by facilities in the next five to 10 years.

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Now, this may be a little bit of a low bar in some ways because in the last five years, we've actually got 19 miles of paved trails and the last 10 years we've had 29.

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So 11 miles, actually, might be a little low.

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It might happen naturally just from development.

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One of our plank communities are putting a lot of trails in.

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So we can think about that.

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We're setting goals.

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We've already met.

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I like it though.

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This is a lot of growth.

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You guys want to look at it.

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Sounds like butter doesn't help.

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I like low bar.

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We can always overachieve and feel a good start.

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As far as on-street stuff, the last five years we've had about 4.1 miles and in the last 10 years

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we've had about 7.6 miles.

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We'll say almost two miles of it is the project we did on seven south there and fifth west.

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So that was about a couple miles of that.

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I will say that on-street stuff is not all created equal because some of it is quite hairy

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to write along in my opinion.

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So we'll also want to look at the design and make sure it kind of all ages and abilities friendly.

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The sixth goal that came out is to designate specific areas is kind of the district district.

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So that might involve looking at urban design, but also maybe goes beyond her typical street standard and certain areas like maybe downtown.

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Thanksgiving point but certain areas that kind of provide more of a pedestrian focus in those areas.

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So that was a kind of came out in the feedback.

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And then the last goal is to paint murals in some of our undercrossings.

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The one on the left is just one of our Merdeck Canal Trail crossings.

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The one on the right is just one up in daybreak that they had painted as an example of that.

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So we have about 1,300 crossings at the moment.

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There are this kind of tunnel style.

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So we were to say 25 percent.

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We've got three of them in the next five to ten years.

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anything we look at. The one thing we would have to look at is they're

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very ownership on some of these. We have to work with the county or you dot on

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some of them. So that's the goals I present us to you to think about if you don't

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like these. Definitely let me know and we can look at tweaking or changing some of

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the goals. There's something that you're like, you know, I really think this is

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four in the next five ten years. You know, shaped me by come on like let's get

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that in there. But anyway, I feel like these, you know, kind of what I would look

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This, you know, but these goals, you know, you guys slack them and get this adopted in the plan.

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Probably going to come into the council saying, hey, here's some of the steps we can do to implement.

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So I just want to present that to you.

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Yeah, he might, I really like this one.

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I know that I've gone around with Rob Craig a lot where he, he and volunteers go to these underpasses and clean them up from tagging and stuff.

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Oh yeah, there's apparently a lot of tagging that goes on in these and I'm just we

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probably don't know the answer right now, but I'm just concerned you know you do

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something like that that's really pretty but someone comes long and tags how how that

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cleans off or whatnot right now they just take great paint and pan over the tag which

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could be a shame to see something like that that kind of investment just get

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It doesn't make it right, but yeah, yeah, I can't I don't know if I have the answer for that either

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I will say these there's three in a row in daybreak. This is one of them and they used to get tagged sometimes

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It was luckily family friendly stuff like drawing sponge Bob in there. Oh, some of the other stuff

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But ever since they painted them nobody's come in really done anything to them

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So I'm not to say someone may not in the future but it's been about three years now still

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We can get it, and hopefully tagging has been done so.

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Okay, I was going to say there's research that's been done that shows that painting actually

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discourages the tagging, yeah, I think you're pretty good stuff, so maybe they appreciate

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it and they'll go tag somewhere else, rather than go on top of some of the else's artwork.

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Yeah, yeah, until they're all painted, then they don't have a choice.

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Well, there's always a place on painted somewhere, something to find.

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I love all the concentration of the plan of getting from destination A to destination B.

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And the 25% completion along the roadways I think is a great step to make sure that it is, you know, people mover and they choose that option of transportation.

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I'm wondering if we could incorporate something along more recreation, I'll give you an example of what I mean.

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Um, and you know where I'm talking about because along the wastage, I could Jillian years ago, we divided two loss in that neighborhood.

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That we're half acre and we took them down to quarter acre to do a density bonus, basically, for a developer to set aside land along the wastage over just west of the railroad tracks.

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That eventually was going to connect from Lee High Elementary out to Willow Creek through neighborhoods, not necessarily along roads.

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It was more recreational feeling, you know, like you go off or Sunday bike ride with the family.

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When I think Sunday bike ride with the family, I don't think along 11th West.

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I think more along, you know, a nice me under in stream or something.

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So I love it if we could maybe incorporate a goal that focuses a little bit on that as well

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because I know we have areas all over the city where we have that set aside as land that we

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require the use of for potential future trails and not all of them are on the way to somewhere.

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But it would be nice to look at those too.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We can do that.

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One thing we'd like to do is part of this as well as create a prioritization plan.

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So based on these goals and we can look at the plan itself.

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Here's the full buildout plan, but then here's kind of this 5 to 10 year plan.

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These are the projects that we want to go after first.

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So we can kind of have an idea of what it's going to look like on the grant.

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So it includes some of those connections and I think we can tie that into the whole prioritization plan.

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We just have peace and peace and peace and you know it and you know where's the money and it's never there

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And but it'd be so nice to have that whole thing. Yeah, absolutely

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I think I'd be great

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Let's see I have do I have a couple more minutes or should I?

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Just as part of it one of the first chapters we have in the plan is just talking about what we do have

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And like you said page there's a lot of disconnect with a lot of this so take this with a green cell

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But so in Lehigh we have about 60.8 miles of bike lanes, we have 1.8 miles now separated

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bikeways, and about 17 miles of trails, it's just actually pretty impressive, but there

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is a good 17 or 72.

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Okay, so a lot of this, you know, you've got the Murdoch Canal Trail and the Real Trail.

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We've got some pretty good projects in the place, a lot of those disconnected, especially

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on the west side, so it's not entirely usable at the moment, so perhaps part of what we

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These identify these gaps, maybe they're not that expensive to finish them up, that really

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ties it into the network, but has been impressive to see where we're at.

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So paved trails about nine miles are HOA's, 12 miles, the county's owns nine miles

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you doffs done, about 42 miles of those are Lehigh trails, and then as far as the Alistair

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facilities go, you doff is about a 0.3 miles to our county has a short little section and

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apart and then the high got about nine miles of those. This was just interesting. This is the trend

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of what we've been seeing and it's kind of interesting to see how it correlates with different things.

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So if you can see the Jordan River Parkway was built back in the early 90s, 2000 north,

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you dot the bike lanes and the trails on that. We're not canal trail got built and then the

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tech corridor, including lots of there are some of these big projects that have really boosted

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are network, but you can see over time there's that trend going upwards. I think we're heading

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in a great direction with what we're doing. So I think that's where that partization

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plan can really help us to fill in the gaps and really get network that's really usable.

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And then I just wanted to put a note that cuts safety is such a high priority. We're looking

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at, I don't know if any other cities out there that have quite done this way yet, but we're

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proactive safety analysis that is looking at types of users on our street network with speeds

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they're going on the types of conflict points but really looking at sort of reacting to crashes

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everywhere we want to look at the proactive and understand the risk potential of our road

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weight network and not just for active transportation but for all users. So that's even going to be

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for different types of conflicts for car drivers. But anyway we're not going to get into this because

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it does get a little technical but I just want to put it out there you guys that this is something

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that we're looking at with this whole idea of increasing safety in the city.

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So, with that, there's any other questions moving forward, but I'll make a note to get some kind of

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recreational element to it, and then come back to you guys next time for their next update on the

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plane.

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Can you give just like a really high level overview of what do the colors mean?

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Yeah, I'm generally a green's good, red's bad, but the red's dangerous.

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This is kind of assessing that risk potential. It's based on safe speeds, so there's kind of some guidance out there,

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but from FHWA and then from the signal safety principles that the Netherlands does, but they coincide really closely with those two.

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And basically they say, here's kind of the speed relating to a 10% risk, and I don't know if we'll ever completely get rid of risk, but we have to look at keeping that risk potential low.

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So at this time, as it maps out, how many levels above that suggested six feet are we? So if you're kind of one level above, it's that yellow color, if you're two or more levels above, it comes out red.

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So, what you see are like little pockets of red, that's basically where we have no sidewalks.

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If you have no sidewalks and you're having to walk amongst cars, then really cars need to go really

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slow, but really the answer would be providing some sidewalks.

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So, I'll don't ride your bike up to Texas Instruments and it's what I actually am.

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Yeah, I'm going to go on, that's the 90's, that's what I'm going to do.

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But, one example is, you know, I started 92, I lost some free high speeds, but for writing

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goal conflicts, for example, you really don't want to exceed 30 miles per hour, because once

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start getting over 30. T-bone crashes really start killing people. So that's one thing that

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this is going to look at. So those red roads, that's where that's risk potentials much higher.

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So. Why is microns just so? Yeah, there's some little anomalies in the thing that I've

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a lot of those don't have sidewalks on them, so it's automatically kind of. But love. So it's

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surprising enough. The three ways green because yeah, I know what it's at too. So the best is

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can deny there are high speeds, but conflict points are all managed in a way that you don't

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have, you know, writing no conflicts, but from that perspective, the freeways, it's good

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as we know how to design at this point, so. Okay. Okay.

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Mike, right? Thank you. You and Kim may be interested, and I've actually booked a biking trip

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from Brussels, Stamster, Bam, and they're like, I'm excited. I'm excited. I don't my wife

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not so much. I talked her into it. Well, she wants to like her going. I'm not going to take

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that many pictures. I got one. All right, item 2.3 is the FRA train and regulations update

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Luke is going to do that

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for me for a lot of our residents unfortunately so

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I wanted to

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update you first just on our status for fixing everything I have Z

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file here let's

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see we'll

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do this so green means we're good it's been fixed and so we really only have three locations

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outstanding. All of our legal locations have been corrected as of yesterday. The remaining ones are in

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this is in Orum. They have the same issue where the medians are high enough where the gate arms

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come in down. There's will be fixed on Thursday this week. Thanks to the use of UTA's on call

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contractor. So they're able to get through the permitting process much faster than we could.

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This one is in American fork. They'll be fixed on Wednesday.

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So the only outstanding crossing is here in Salt Lake City.

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It's 1700 South. I don't remember if we looked at this last time.

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But it's one where this commercial driveway is too close to the crossing arms by 17 feet.

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It measures 43 feet, but needs to be 60 feet, so this likely will be one of the hardest ones.

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I know I, last time I talked to Salt Lake City yesterday, they said they were looking

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into if they could close it with a gate, paint it red, you know, do emergency access only.

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What I'm learning from FRA this morning is if they do that they'll need approval back in

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Washington D.C. for them.

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They tear out the driveway, put in curving gutter,

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then the inspector can say it's good.

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So I left him a voicemail this morning, you know, urging them,

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you know, just to just to fix it and close it.

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Then they're probably not going to meet the city standard for that.

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I've only got, like, one entry.

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It has, it actually has, you know, there's four entries.

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Yeah, so it would have this one, this one and this one.

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And they could close this one right away and relocate it.

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You know, it needs to be 60 feet away from the gate arm, but I don't, I don't know what they're planning to do and they've not given me it.

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Time frame, but I think that business owner, I mean I can imagine how they're going to respond, because yep, it was already been previously approved. Right, exactly as approved by the city, why didn't the city know that they couldn't have the driveway there. Same reason we didn't know. Yep, yep.

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And the quiesons still are nothing.

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Yes, yep, unfortunately.

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And this one, I wanted to get into this calculator.

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Here's a quiesone calculator for a quiesone.

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And here's all the crossings.

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And we get to take credit.

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So here, this SSM says for supplementary safety measure.

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And because this crossing has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, railroads and because it's a 5 lane road, there's a way that we can adjust the calculations, maybe fix things and other locations, so they don't have to fix this one, but we would have to fix five other locations to make up for this one, just because of the number of railroads and because it's such a big road.

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meaning be excessively safe in other locations?

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Yes, so in the calculator, here, SSM, these are codes.

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So if it's 13, it means we have a median, and we have gate arms.

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And there's other codes for different things.

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So essentially, these ones that have no safety that are zero,

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if we could make them compliant enough that we could take credit

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for those, then we wouldn't have to take credit for this 17-South one.

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But we'd have to, like I said, we have to fix five other crossings to be able to take

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credit for it.

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And it's kind of prohibitive.

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So, can I state the obvious, just to make sure, so we improve five other locations and all

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sudden the location that the problem now becomes or is deemed safe, correct, correct, you

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know, for the quiet zone. So here's here's the important math here. So there's a risk index

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with horns and then a quiet zone risk index. So you have to show you're in the calculation

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that you're doing enough safety improvements to make it safer than it was with horns.

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It's a black box. I don't understand exactly how it works, but it's like for example

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For example, here's our Lehigh City Main Street if I modify it and

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Say, you know, we we can't say well we had a median that was too short that was fixed on Monday

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so say we can't do that then

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We can't fix it or don't want to

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Then we're in the situation where the quiet zone risk is higher than the risk with horns.

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So the option is we need to have horns back.

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Let me put that back, though, because we fixed mainstream.

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I can think of as somebody in the federal government decided to pay somebody a lot of money to come up with this calculation.

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Let's still understand how you fix another spot and make the other spot safe.

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So my question too on Main Street, can you help me understand what was done to it because I didn't see any change to it?

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So what was change?

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I saw the column so we're put up, that was good.

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Let me, what was change is median.

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The median on the east leg was too short and it needs to be 60 feet measured from the gate arm.

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It was 54 feet so they lengthened the median out.

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So do we add another cloud-end section, or do we just get rid of the cloud-end section?

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We put a cloud-end section back.

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Maybe that's why it's hard to notice.

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Yeah, because it looks similar.

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One thing that FRA suggested with this calculator is if we can improve other crossings in our quiet zone,

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For example, with the double track project coming, we can take credit for those.

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And we can increase the difference between the risk index with horns and the quiet zone risk.

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So, if in the future, we ever have another problem where one city's done so many overlays,

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their meetings aren't compliant, we can just not take credit for it anymore.

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but we have enough risk index, banked up if you will, that we stay compliant.

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They were saying your difference is really close, you should...

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I really look at adding a buffer, so I think the double track project would be good opportunity for that.

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Could the company add arms on that exit entrance there?

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Which one?

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The building in Salt Lake just put the train arms there or whatever they're called.

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They could, yeah. That's another measure. They could, I think.

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On the, yeah.

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that those arms come down. I don't know if they could do that or not. That's a good question.

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One thing they do is have four gate arms, you know, quadrant gates, so there's gates that

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come down here and here, so they have gates that come down on that exiting traffic as well,

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but I don't know if that would be a complaint either, but

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I won last thought here's, so back

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The calculator here Jordan gateway in Salt Lake City, you can see they have a 12 instead of a 13.

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That's because their medians were too short. We're not high enough.

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So they install reflectables along the top of the median.

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Well that's not 13 because 13 is median. 12 is channelizing channelization, channelizing devices.

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So we have to change this to 12.

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We're still good on our total, but I do have to send public paperwork and FRA for this change.

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And I think I've got it figured out.

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I've sent it to them to review ahead of time.

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I think it's just...

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Other than Salt Lake City, we're on pretty good shape.

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And I just haven't heard from them.

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Look, do they, in Salt Lake, do they have an incentive to fix it?

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I mean, do they have the same issue we do with residents waiting for the question?

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I think most of their crossings in our quiet zone are in industrial areas,

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but I would

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feel awful if we were the one city holding out the whole south end of the, you know,

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holding out all the other ones from having the horns come out, but yeah, their crossings

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are mostly in industrial areas.

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Let's see.

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So who have pay for that change?

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The property owner or the city?

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That's a good question.

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I think they talked about cost sharing that they would share the cost of whatever they do and

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mitigate it.

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Right?

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Is there a number that we could give for us?

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That's true.

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It's a little long.

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Yeah.

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It's a great amount.

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There's a way to like take that section and just say that's not in the quiet

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on anymore, and then it just starts further south.

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There is, but to change a quiet zone like that, you have, it requires DC approval, and

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it's a pretty much right to tell us that everything has to be compliant.

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There's like a 60-day comment period on that, and then from all the real users and communities,

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and then it has to go back to D.C. for I heard the tracksline Murray City is manages the

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quiet zone for the tracksline and they're going through that process. They're about done

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with their 60 day period. They were told they would take eight months for D.C. to go through

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their approval. So everyone I've talked to warned us do not.

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That's all I had.

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And we did have a really good long phone call with them, but none of this is, right, there hasn't

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been any accidents related to the medians, as they were.

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If we were working with the Federal Highway Administration, there would be no warrant.

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That penalizes us, but with the neuronicists, they operate under different roles.

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Item 2.4 is the warming center contribution.

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Okay, I'm going to talk about this a little bit, so you guys I think you've all seen the

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invitation volunteer at our warming centers. So these we have three in there on a rotational

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basis. We went down we met in one last week and went down it's one that's in South

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on State Street at the County Sheds down there. Nice.

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Facility. It's all been cleaned up, we've done new bathrooms. It's just a place for whether it turns cold, so people have a place to sleep at night and get warm. However, this has come to cost, we are meeting the legislative requirements that we were, we're given to us.

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I think it was two years ago, wasn't it, that we were told that we had to meet it this year.

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And some of the other counties haven't met it, we've met it.

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I've been pretty happy and actually proud of the efforts that Utah County has done.

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We've got a number of mayors on the board, I serve on that board.

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We've come a long ways.

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We've had a chance to see some really good things happen.

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I know there's actually a couple of people that have participated in those discussions that have been previously homeless, so their information has been helpful.

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The one thing here are what we need to decide, because we have not budgeted for this, the county is asking all the cities to contribute to help keep the warming centers open, you know, and with some of the supplies they need.

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The number is high, there is a cost related to keeping these things open and properly supplied.

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The county had suggested that we, that each city put up $1,000 for every thousand population.

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So basically a dollar per person.

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It's going to hit some of the larger cities a lot more than some of the smaller cities.

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I mean it's going to make a big difference.

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I asked our County Commissioner and Brandon Gordon, and he's really good about he said,

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Brandon, first of all, it's not in the budget year.

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It isn't going to be in the budget year for almost anybody in the county, I know.

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So to just suggest we can just come up with that money that can't happen without a modification to our spending and to our budget.

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But I suggest we also need to have some kind of influence.

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We can't just, you know, turn over the money and say this is for this reason.

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So I've asked him to prepare our name for us.

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That has started a more in-depth conversation at the county about what is a more reasonable

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way to pay for that.

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I told him our population was right around 90,000, but of course that's going to be kind

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of expensive for us.

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And it's Council, I'd like to know your thoughts because I do think a contribution is warranted.

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The question is what the U.S. accounts will feel is appropriate and I'm happy to take any comments

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here back to them as we discuss how we're going to, you know, how they plan on doing this,

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but for the first year it's not going to be in anybody's budget. But the outstanding debt is there,

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so we'll be there. It's volunteer. This year, the first year is voluntary. But even if it's voluntary

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would need some kind of advice, I believe,

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only. So thoughts.

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What are, do they know their costs? I mean.

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Help them. They have some pretty good estimates, you know, from years past, what they've done.

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Provost City actually was, was proactive.

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And Provost City handled most of the homeless situation in the past, but the legislation

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is a whole county needs to be involved, so we're all involved.

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I can't tell you exactly what

425
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:40,150
that is, but I can get that number.

426
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,180
With you, with the invoice and seeing what it's going to.

427
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,520
If it's, you know, I'd like to see this be run by volunteers.

428
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:56,300
I don't want to be paid for salaries.

429
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,300
It's like I want to make sure that it goes to support the, you know,

430
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,460
like you're talking about the necessary items.

431
00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:07,280
And I don't know that centers are, the buildings themselves are being,

432
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,680
you know, given or they're rented or how that all works.

433
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,140
So we have two or two of my churches.

434
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:13,820
Okay.

435
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:18,340
A church center is one of the county building, okay, or one of the county buildings.

436
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,840
It's a building that they use for storage of some sort, they've emptied it out of the storage and they're using that for one of the warm centers.

437
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:25,720
The red warehouse?

438
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:26,360
Yeah.

439
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:27,000
The red one.

440
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,560
And the Genesis project is that the other church besides the seven tables?

441
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Yes.

442
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,500
So those are the two.

443
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:37,300
But give me an idea, because we will be having a discussion on this.

444
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,040
So I'd like to know about where your thoughts are if you feel that's too much.

445
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:50,140
you know, what's more appropriate number, help me formulate an argument here on this discussion

446
00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:51,580
and say, where do we need to be?

447
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:57,820
Well, is there also where we can have contributions from our community if it is items?

448
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,980
Or is it just, I guess?

449
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:29,980
So right now I think what they're looking for, they're looking for blankets. So there's a list of things. So blankets are important. I don't know that they really want sleep and bags. It might be, you know, that might be helpful. I know there's some food because a lot of people come in, it's warming up. People come in, it's cold night. They're probably going to want something hot to drink, and maybe something hot to eat. So, so there's going to be some food purchase.

450
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,500
is involved, and I apologize. I probably should ask the question about, you know, a better

451
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:39,180
idea with what they believe that funding estimate would be, but I'll check that out

452
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:42,620
because I don't know what this is. Well, it's a Michelle's point. It feels kind of like,

453
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:47,040
you know, back in PTA days, when we would say our target fundraising goal is this, and

454
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,980
then we'd decide what to spend it on. Basically, they'll spend what they have.

455
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:57,180
That's what it means. So it would be nice to know, you know, what it's like to have a target.

456
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:03,960
It's, this is new this year, so I'll probably learn a lot through this year to find out how many responses they have.

457
00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:07,120
And this has not a place where they're going spend all day, right?

458
00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:11,300
They'll get, we actually have a box I've given to Sherry.

459
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:12,500
She's supposed to have those out.

460
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Our police officers and our, I think our firemen are, they're going to receive it.

461
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,720
It's just a card they can hand to somebody if they're homeless.

462
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:25,780
Saying this is, this is how you get to the Mormon Sheriff's Center and this is the rules and that sort of thing.

463
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:28,400
So she has those court cards, she's going to distribute it,

464
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:30,420
put some over in the library in a few places.

465
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:32,820
So if somebody isn't in, we'd literally

466
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:34,880
have had people in the past go to the library

467
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,900
and sit there till closing time until they have to go, right?

468
00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:43,740
So we can, you know, people do use government facilities

469
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:45,920
and they'll stay there as long as they can

470
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,060
until they're kicked out.

471
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,140
So if we those cards are in that area, they go like,

472
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:52,060
oh, here's a number, I can call, and I can get on this bus

473
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:53,320
and I can get to the warming center.

474
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,640
And all three sites, they're open, it looks to be like they rotate.

475
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,500
That's rotational.

476
00:46:59,560 --> 00:46:59,580
Yeah.

477
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:01,820
So they each have a different night that they're open.

478
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,660
It seems a little hard to catch up, but I mean, I don't know.

479
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,060
Well, they all have the same night of the week.

480
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,060
And people aren't expected to come there and stay.

481
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:13,420
They're expected to actually be there for the night.

482
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,780
And then leave some might have jobs or other family to go to.

483
00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:19,460
They just don't have a place for the night.

484
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:22,000
This gives them a warm place to sleep for the night.

485
00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:29,650
So Mr. Mayor, as far as money, I'd be comfortable with something like $25,000 to

486
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:35,930
start off with, just to give something and to get a year under the belt and see what

487
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:41,530
the cost are, unless you come back with the, you know, they're able to give you a better

488
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:42,070
estimate.

489
00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:44,350
What it is, what they're thinking for the next year though.

490
00:47:44,350 --> 00:47:45,310
I'm sure they'll have an estimate.

491
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:46,710
I just don't know what that is now.

492
00:47:46,710 --> 00:48:04,790
Yeah, but I mean, I think it's worthy to do something and I think maybe a thousand dollars per, or a thousand dollars per thousand residents is maybe it's appropriate, but just hard to know that.

493
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:15,230
So I mean, I think somewhere like 25, 35,000 to start would be an appropriate thing in my mind and then see what happens over the next year and then go from there.

494
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:20,170
But my issue if I could is, I think you're right, if they have it, they'll spend it.

495
00:48:20,370 --> 00:48:24,610
And so it won't give us a real sense of how much it actually costs to run the warming center.

496
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:28,790
I'm not just speaking the fact that it's neat, and I think we should help out it where we can.

497
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:35,650
But if we had a sense of, okay, this is what we did this last year, we barely got by.

498
00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:39,270
It would be good to have 10% more as a buffer or something like that.

499
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:42,910
You know, the question about whether is it, you know, is it good to think the need?

500
00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:48,110
know is it, you know, blankets, towels, you know, things like that, you know, there's maybe

501
00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:51,590
there's a way to involve the community through like an Amazon wish list or something like

502
00:48:51,590 --> 00:48:57,330
that where we could, you know, start soliciting help from the general public in advance and,

503
00:48:57,330 --> 00:49:00,470
you know, maybe it's something that a family says, hey, yeah, I'm going to chip in a couple

504
00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:04,670
hundred dollars and contribute to this Amazon wish list and you just kind of check off the

505
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:10,530
items that are needed. So I think there's one we need more information than two, I think there's

506
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:14,730
that we can potentially get creative or the county or, you know, that's running it,

507
00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:19,750
could get creative to let those that want to participate participate.

508
00:49:20,770 --> 00:49:28,010
I had suggested that we engage early high-service organization, because I think they can be really

509
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:28,370
helpful.

510
00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:28,870
Right.

511
00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:32,910
Now, the problem is, they're not getting volunteers either, so that's another problem.

512
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:36,130
So if we get volunteers, that's of course going to save a lot of money alone.

513
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:41,770
And by the way, I'd encourage everybody here to maybe take a night and volunteer.

514
00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:46,050
and they're training involved. There's some stuff involved in it.

515
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:49,930
Well, online training, but they separate the nights and three shifts.

516
00:49:50,530 --> 00:49:53,050
And I'm sure they have reasons why they do that.

517
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:55,530
But it seems like it would be easier if you could just do a whole night.

518
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:59,430
So, you know, 4.30 a.m. to 8 a.m.

519
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,600
Yeah, I think they probably think everybody needs to sleep at some point.

520
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Yeah, I think they probably think everybody needs to sleep at some point.

521
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,400
Yeah, that's all 30.

522
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,160
I, for my schedule, my family, be easier to just say.

523
00:50:08,180 --> 00:50:09,760
Can't you just take two shifts?

524
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,240
Yeah, I don't know if we can do that.

525
00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:12,520
Yeah, I don't know if we can do that.

526
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,800
So, but I encourage you to just respond to that.

527
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,660
I'm hoping to get out over there or something.

528
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:21,640
I know our commissioner, or at least two of the commissioners,

529
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:24,280
did I think last weekend when it got cold.

530
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,460
So, you know, as a scholar was there and, uh,

531
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:34,240
Commissioner Gordon, we're both over there one night,

532
00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:37,590
so yeah,

533
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:46,120
from some of the reports I have, it's really a good experience for people to go do that.

534
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,680
Just pulling this up while you're talking and they do have an Amazon wish list.

535
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:57,520
And that I'm seeing this and seeing a lot of opportunities that you set for just serve and be able to get different community groups involved.

536
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:16,020
So we can help with, of course it's like I want to do what we can to make sure like these items or things that they need gloves and blankets and food items so that that's something that I can always get behind but I also know that we have such an amazing community that we it'd be great to tap into too to help with it.

537
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:27,420
Yeah, we posted our social media, you've probably seen that we did get a pretty good response off the bat but it's something we're going to have to keep posting it people you know engaged in it.

538
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:34,040
Yeah, I kind of want to know what the cost are, what they're going towards.

539
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:41,780
And if they want kind of a formula to bite it up between the cities, I'm not against

540
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:47,340
that because then it won't fall on just a few, you know, which it probably could if it's

541
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:50,060
just left up to whatever you want to give kind of thing.

542
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:59,120
But also I, you know, want to make it fair not over burdensome for cities.

543
00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:00,240
That's a lot of money.

544
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,960
So I guess I'm saying I'd like more information.

545
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:05,500
Yeah.

546
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:06,420
When do you need to?

547
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,200
No, no.

548
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,880
Obviously until I'd ask for an invoice, our statement, because I'm like, I don't even know how to deal with it.

549
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,840
I was hoping to get something like that before I brought it to you guys.

550
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:23,720
That started them talking about it, and so I don't think they're even sure they're trying

551
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:24,960
to figure it out.

552
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:31,920
So I think doing it by population, there's some sense to that, but I don't think it needs

553
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,300
to just be that.

554
00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:38,120
I think it has to be, you know, maybe part of that, and then just there should be a base

555
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:43,100
fee, and then also maybe a based on population, something like that kind of a combination.

556
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:47,020
And I think a contribution is important.

557
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:50,960
I think this is something that we're just going to have to do.

558
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:56,620
And the future will be prepared for this, because it is, you know, what is a growing concern.

559
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:03,720
So, but the thing is, is operating a warming center, you have people come in and really meet

560
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:04,140
at it,

561
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:06,530
right?

562
00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:09,490
Do you know what the legislation is on?

563
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:13,450
You said the first year's voluntary is, are there requirements after that, or?

564
00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:22,210
So that had nothing to do with the legislation, the first year of the payers voluntary, because it's not in our budget and they know it's not in any budget.

565
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:29,690
I mean, we had the cost, there's the state is funding certain things, right?

566
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:36,710
So we're getting some money from the legislators to do this, but they're going to have to maintain this operation.

567
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:40,090
We'll probably get money. I'm sure every year from the state.

568
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:48,330
So let me let me get some numbers. I'll see if if that commissioners have been able to drill down on some on a more reasonable amount

569
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:57,970
that they're requesting. And then but I think I'm a little uncomfortable with it just being just by population.

570
00:53:58,730 --> 00:54:05,070
I don't know why. Maybe it's I just say maybe it's because it's 90 thousand dollar pelth for us.

571
00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:14,370
Right, and there's a few other cities are about the same, and I think that makes sense to a certain extent, but I also think a base fee is also probably pretty important.

572
00:54:15,350 --> 00:54:16,230
I think you're right there.

573
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:21,270
There probably should be a base fee, and then similar to how we do the power, where there's a base fee for that.

574
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:33,250
Everyone pays your respect of your population size and then have something proportional on top of that, because at the end of the day it probably is somewhat proportional on the fact that these warming center locations are not in our city.

575
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:52,270
Is kind of a benefit because I know a lot of people get worked up about homeless, you know, populations and whatnot, so I think there's some value for us there, but I like your idea of kind of a face contribution, kind of a minimum amount that everyone does and then the balance is somewhat proportional.

576
00:54:52,830 --> 00:54:59,970
Yeah, I see it that way. The other option is to do is to do a staged fee, so depending on your population it says, you know, the next step is...

577
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:17,460
The next stage is as much. So that might be kind of an appropriate proportional. Yeah, if you give it a fair field and see it or for it, you know, the debate that they're going to have our time coming up with a base feet. So it may be if you're population is under a thousand, maybe you don't have a base feet, right?

578
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:29,140
Okay. I'll bring that information back to him. That is helpful. It helps me understand about where we'd like to be.

579
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:35,920
So I appreciate your comments on that. Okay. Item 2.5 is the 2300 West design. Brad, you're going to.

580
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:58,610
Good evening, Mayor. And council members. Let me go ahead and see if we

581
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,860
can get care.

582
00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:24,270
There we go.

583
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:37,560
Oh, there we go. Thank you.

584
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:48,040
All right. So, if you remember last month about the same time, we talked a little bit about

585
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,220
2300 West, but the reasoning for a lot of the design that we had picked.

586
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:59,760
And we talked a little bit in particular about the design between 300 north and 900 north.

587
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,440
So a couple things that I would like to talk about today.

588
00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:05,440
First of all, I do want to give,

589
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:15,020
I do want to talk a little bit about construction

590
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:15,620
timing.

591
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:18,920
I think I did the same thing last month.

592
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:21,260
There have been a few changes.

593
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:26,080
For the most part, the contractor is still planning on being completed with construction

594
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:30,180
from 1,500 northward to 2,150.

595
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:39,280
50. The challenge that we've run into this month was that we cannot get steal for the

596
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:46,500
2150 North signal. All the bases are in. Everything will be done, but we cannot get steal.

597
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:54,160
Typically, we can get steal within 100 days of an order. You don't know that this was kind of challenging.

598
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,220
So they said go directly to our supplier.

599
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,160
So we made that order on June 25th.

600
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,920
We're about 110 days now.

601
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,500
And we're being told that we're probably looking at 200 days

602
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,600
before we can get steel for the 2115 or signal.

603
00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:18,500
So in essence, it's looking like the contractual we've done with all of his work

604
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,320
by let's say Thanksgiving or 1st of December.

605
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:29,580
However, we won't be able to make the signal live at 2150 North until probably February.

606
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:38,980
That's if the contractor, or if our supplier, comes through with this deal as they've promised.

607
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,920
We have had some challenges with some of the signals, for example, the hawk signal on the North Point Elementary.

608
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,400
We're using borrowed heads from you.

609
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:55,180
So signal supplies are, it's a tough supply chain issue, so we're trying to work through that.

610
00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:59,000
I've talked with Luke about the 2150 North signal.

611
00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:04,040
We still feel like that we will still open up 2100 North.

612
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:08,420
Sorry, 2300 West as planned, even without the signal.

613
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:15,740
The signal will stay stopped controlled from the subdivisions to the east and west like it has been in the past.

614
00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:25,040
But anyway, so that's a little bit of a change in the timing, not to any fault of us or the contractor, we just literally can't get steel.

615
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:43,860
So that is a change. Moving forward, we are planning on the contractor has chosen to pull off the project, and start the structure back in the early spring of 2025, with an anticipated construction completion of the fall of 2025.

616
00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:50,020
Maybe just to help you understand a little bit as to why part of the reasons why he chooses

617
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:51,060
to do that.

618
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:59,020
It is allowed within the contract for him to pick his schedule as long as they are able

619
00:59:59,020 --> 00:59:59,980
to meet the final completion.

620
01:00:01,620 --> 01:00:29,420
A couple of the reasons why, after speaking with them, they've chosen to do this. First of all, the project was bid late this late in the season. For the most part, we would have hoped that this project could have been built in one construction season because we bid it late. And the reason we bid it late was we were finalizing some of the right away and we also were having a challenge getting contractors to bid the project.

621
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:36,520
The contractors information we receive from them said give us two years to build this project.

622
01:00:36,940 --> 01:00:42,620
We can build it cheaper and we can take advantage of two construction seasons.

623
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:49,540
So because we started a little bit later in 2024, you know, this construction season then when we wanted to,

624
01:00:49,740 --> 01:00:52,360
many of the contractors had full schedules.

625
01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:54,780
You know, they were booked up for most of the year.

626
01:00:54,780 --> 01:01:00,020
We feel very good about the work that Kenny St. Construction is done thus far this year

627
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,620
So I guess when I go into the second note there, there are firm construct there are firm dates in the construction contract

628
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:12,360
Thirdly much of the work that is anticipated

629
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,680
Is concrete and asphalt

630
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:21,480
Many of the utilities of M place they already placed the utilities between the section between third and ninth

631
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,280
So it's kind of really waiting for concrete and asphalt.

632
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,260
Now, though concrete can be constructed during the wintertime,

633
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:34,260
it's much more difficult to control the quality.

634
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,660
You know, we end up having to put heat blankets on the concrete

635
01:01:37,660 --> 01:01:40,340
while it chores and everything. So it's much more difficult.

636
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:45,640
And it's just harder to kind of keep that quality control.

637
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:55,660
Lastly, the contractor has chosen to in a way to construct a good portion of this project

638
01:01:55,660 --> 01:02:05,040
because we will allow them to close certain sections of 2,300 West only when school is not in session.

639
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,660
So we do not allow them to close sections.

640
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:14,680
say, for example, between 3rd North and 9th North or between 9th North and 15th, when schools

641
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,220
in session.

642
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:20,080
We have too many schools in the area, will it create gallum or will it create junior highs

643
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:26,720
on 3rd North, a Santa Catamuse on 9th North, North Point Elementary is up there 2100.

644
01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:31,200
So that's one of the other reasons that they choose to do a lot of this construction in

645
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,460
the summer is because they can close certain sections of the roadway.

646
01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:39,280
It makes it easier and much safer for the public.

647
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:45,040
Do you have any questions on that before I move forward?

648
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:50,950
So what I would like to do now is just talk a little about

649
01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:53,710
about those alternative designs that I've emailed you.

650
01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:57,890
Just as a reminder, we're talking about the section

651
01:02:57,890 --> 01:02:59,950
between the third north and ninth north.

652
01:02:59,950 --> 01:03:03,190
That's highlighted in yellow on that upper picture.

653
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:09,690
As a reminder, this construction project is from Main Street all the way to 2150 North,

654
01:03:09,810 --> 01:03:15,270
but we're just, these alternative designs are just for that section between 30 and 9.

655
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:23,270
One of the challenges that we had between 30 and 9 is the property between this section was purchased in 2005.

656
01:03:24,550 --> 01:03:30,350
The right way was purchased for our transportation master plan, you know, almost 20 years ago.

657
01:03:30,350 --> 01:03:36,890
So, we didn't buy any property for anyone in this section, as part of this project,

658
01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:47,270
so moving forward a couple of weeks ago I sent you some different alternatives.

659
01:03:48,290 --> 01:03:56,290
Alternative one is that we continue with the design like it is, which this is the design that we have in the plans.

660
01:03:56,290 --> 01:04:00,330
Alternative is that alternative one would just be we just continue with the design as

661
01:04:02,110 --> 01:04:05,850
As we have it. I'll go ahead and go on to alternative two

662
01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:12,410
We've actually thought about one other alternative since I sent my email to you

663
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:19,570
I'm going to call this to a but this is the alternative that I showed you which we I call alternative to

664
01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:26,030
Essentially what we would do on this project in this we would steep on the side slopes of the road slightly

665
01:04:26,290 --> 01:04:30,670
and put a small drainage berm or ditch at the bottom.

666
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:39,270
That would allow us to collect any water that flows off of our roadway up to the fence and can be at out,

667
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:43,730
so that we're not shedding water onto those property owners.

668
01:04:45,550 --> 01:04:46,750
Secondary gutter?

669
01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:47,930
Yeah, almost.

670
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:52,290
It could either be a concrete v-ditch or it could just be.

671
01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:58,690
When we do this, it's like a French strain, essentially you build a gravel drain with a pipe

672
01:04:58,690 --> 01:04:59,790
in the bottom of it, and above.

673
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:21,540
The water seeps in through the gravel into the pipe and then it leaves the project. So our engineers are telling us that option is about $165,000. Just to kind of give you an idea that construction on this project, I believe it's a $10 million, a construction project.

674
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:30,760
So anyways, 165 is about what that would be this optional alternative to a would not require any additional right away.

675
01:05:30,980 --> 01:05:32,680
We don't need to go to any landowners.

676
01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:35,140
The fence stays where it is.

677
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:44,100
We would just steepen up the side slopes slightly and tie in that drain to storm green that's already in the street.

678
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,240
Or that we will construct within the street.

679
01:05:47,780 --> 01:05:49,620
And what kind of distance is that between?

680
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:55,700
I believe from Kurban Gutter to the property line is approximately 11 feet,

681
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:58,610
so we would just

682
01:05:58,610 --> 01:06:04,550
steepen up the crosswalk just a little bit. Just to give us enough room to put that small

683
01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:12,590
ditch or the drainage channel there. Option, the next option option 2A was one that our engineer

684
01:06:12,590 --> 01:06:13,930
also thought about.

685
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:18,750
This is a little different than anything that I've shown you. It's the same

686
01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:21,490
and the same steepening of that side slope,

687
01:06:22,090 --> 01:06:25,750
but we would remove the fence and place an eight foot tall fence.

688
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:27,760
Yeah.

689
01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:33,500
Again, there's a significantly more money.

690
01:06:35,020 --> 01:06:39,180
To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen an eight foot tall chain length fence,

691
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,500
but my engineer assures me that they do make them.

692
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,540
It would be privacy slatted just like the existing fences.

693
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:54,020
But from their side it would seem like it's eight feet tall, from the roadside it would look more like a six foot fence.

694
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,800
But anyways, it essentially raises the cost of it.

695
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:04,880
By more than double probably closer to triple just because it's an expensive fence to buy.

696
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,700
I think my engineer said it's almost $95 of foot.

697
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:13,460
And then the last option is option 3.

698
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:16,940
This is the same option 3 that I presented to you.

699
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:23,340
In this case, we would essentially extend curb and gutter,

700
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,480
or sorry, we would extend the field slope over to where the property line is,

701
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,400
and then we would fill onto the property.

702
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,020
The property owner's property.

703
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:33,800
I show a wall there also.

704
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,460
That wall is just shown in areas where, for example,

705
01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:40,280
we may have a building that's really close to the property line.

706
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,380
Some of those landowners built sheds and shops up next,

707
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,440
right up next to the, right up next to the fence.

708
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,540
And so in those, that case we would have to put some walls in.

709
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:54,820
That cost is coming in right around $790,000.

710
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,740
First of all, do you have any questions about the different options that I've presented?

711
01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:05,740
extending

712
01:08:09,830 --> 01:08:15,370
the slides slope into the property owner's lot with that, I'm assuming that would require a permission from that.

713
01:08:15,370 --> 01:08:23,250
Oh yes, and like, and we're only estimating as for the cost of purchase, wouldn't be a purchase.

714
01:08:23,530 --> 01:08:32,010
We would not intend to purchase the right away, but we do tend by roadway construction, which come at a cost.

715
01:08:33,310 --> 01:08:34,670
Does that account for the filter?

716
01:08:34,670 --> 01:08:41,270
It does account for the filter, but it doesn't account for a cost for us to buy any property

717
01:08:41,270 --> 01:08:43,710
or construction units within those property owners.

718
01:08:44,570 --> 01:08:45,630
We have to rehab landscape.

719
01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:46,910
And you have to rehab landscape.

720
01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:50,210
So it's just challenging, right?

721
01:08:50,290 --> 01:08:55,570
Because the challenge that we have when we're in people's properties and we're trying to rehab their landscape

722
01:08:55,570 --> 01:09:00,570
is it just seems like typically speaking I can just never get it right.

723
01:09:00,590 --> 01:09:01,730
The punchless never ends.

724
01:09:01,730 --> 01:09:05,570
Yeah, it just doesn't work really well.

725
01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:08,790
Typically speaking, if I have a project like this,

726
01:09:09,270 --> 01:09:11,990
we will pay a landowner to landscape their own.

727
01:09:12,510 --> 01:09:14,110
So that way, it's up to them to make sure

728
01:09:14,110 --> 01:09:16,490
that they get the right seating contractor

729
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:18,830
and they get the right irrigation contractor and whatnot.

730
01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:21,690
But anyways, so that's one of the challenges

731
01:09:21,690 --> 01:09:22,750
with this option.

732
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:24,810
Besides the cost, that's my biggest concern

733
01:09:24,810 --> 01:09:29,050
is that it'd just be it ongoing nightmare.

734
01:09:30,290 --> 01:09:36,030
The other, even if there's the worst expense of option, I probably still be ready to send to go with it.

735
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:44,770
The other challenge that we see with this option is that it's based on the pretense that everyone's in a greens with us doing this.

736
01:09:46,290 --> 01:09:50,990
Essentially, we could probably have some blend owners not agree with it.

737
01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:58,630
And what we really don't want to do when we have a contractor on contract is to delay the project so that

738
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:59,970
so that we don't get the belt.

739
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,620
He's really for this to be effective. It's similar to the family park, home locks, where you have to have some of them that retains the entire section, because if you only have one lock that's retained, it doesn't necessarily help the others.

740
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:28,700
Yes, we did run a cost on not filling into their properties and doing the wall the entire distance. It's in the range of 830 or 40 thousand dollars, but we still need to get permission from those landowners to at least step on their property to build the wall.

741
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:31,340
Yeah, so it doesn't infect their landscaping as much.

742
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,380
That's true, but anyways, that's.

743
01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:38,540
Brad, what was the reason for replacing the six foot fence

744
01:10:38,540 --> 01:10:39,680
with the eight foot fence?

745
01:10:40,060 --> 01:10:44,400
I think the only reason was, I think it was Mr. Meek.

746
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:44,940
I'm correct.

747
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,340
He was concerned that we were going to blow snow over the fence

748
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:50,380
when it's so much lower.

749
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,940
If we had an eight foot fence, it would be the height

750
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,180
of what this fence is right here.

751
01:10:57,180 --> 01:11:07,100
So the fence top would be a lot the same location with any foot fence and no feel as it is with a six foot fence and feel

752
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,980
That it was just another option. It was obviously cheaper than can you go back to alternative one

753
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:22,910
Yeah, yeah, I'll sorry alternative one is to do what we have now two a was just a steep enough the slope

754
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:47,320
I think that the beauty of this alternative, or the other alternative, of the next to be, is that we believe that we could complete the design and not have it be a hold up in the schedule for the contractor because we are not affecting the adjacent property owners.

755
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,900
Now does this answer all of their concerns?

756
01:11:51,260 --> 01:11:53,500
No, it doesn't, but bit anyways.

757
01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:57,080
And I'm honestly not advocating for any of these, I mean,

758
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,100
we could stick with alternative one and it's fine for me too,

759
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,000
but I

760
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:09,960
know we've technically don't have to get their permission,

761
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:10,900
but

762
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:21,810
I back yard now, I don't see this.

763
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:25,250
Yeah, I think Kim could probably weigh in a little bit better

764
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:27,090
than I could on an eight-up fence, but generally,

765
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:29,130
an eight-up fence requires approval, too.

766
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:31,070
I don't think we could as make the fence,

767
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:36,110
I don't want to say really want to do that because we don't care.

768
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:38,960
I don't know.

769
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:39,660
But it's good.

770
01:12:39,940 --> 01:12:40,220
Could we?

771
01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:41,580
You wouldn't stay at the fence.

772
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:44,740
I don't care once that someone over here doesn't.

773
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:47,080
I don't know why that would matter actually.

774
01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:53,230
Do does the city typically pay for our fence?

775
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:56,390
I'm assuming this is our fence, but I mean.

776
01:12:56,390 --> 01:13:00,990
In this case, we would typically just replace the fence that's there in kind.

777
01:13:00,990 --> 01:13:12,910
For example, we have a few places along this corridor with alternative one where we needed to replace the fence just where some of them have a dry way going and tying into 2300.

778
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:19,410
So we'd have, we'd just replace it as it was. I mean, the city built this fence in 2000.

779
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:26,090
You know, back in the 2008 or 2009s, when we built this road in Pioneer, this road in the city

780
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:31,010
and installed this six foot tall black vinyl-coded fence with slats.

781
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:35,950
Do you usually do that when you do a road, put in a fence too, or?

782
01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:40,270
Generally speaking, I will replace a fence as the fence existed.

783
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:46,610
But if it's a new road, and you're putting it in a new road somewhere, do you put a fence on?

784
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:54,970
I mean, like further north of here, between 9th and 15th, if a landowner has say a stock

785
01:13:54,970 --> 01:13:57,570
fence, you notice the barbed wire fence, that's what we replace.

786
01:13:58,910 --> 01:14:00,550
Oh, just in kind.

787
01:14:00,610 --> 01:14:02,210
Yeah, we just replace it in kind.

788
01:14:02,690 --> 01:14:07,370
Or we, or honestly, we try to pay them to replace it, because that way they get it like

789
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:08,030
they want it, right?

790
01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:11,050
Same scenarios replacing landscaping for someone.

791
01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:15,070
I mean, I understand Chris's point about if you, if not everyone wants to 8 foot fence,

792
01:14:15,070 --> 01:14:38,570
But maybe it's, it's no different in some ways than like an RH away, you know, depending on like I have three different property owners and I paid to have my own fence put in because I did want to have to have three different fence types that I was staring at, but if some, you know, maybe there's a hybrid between, I guess two B is us paying for the foot fence versus just replacing it with the six foot correct.

793
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:46,170
Actually, two A doesn't even touch the fence. Two A leaves the fence like it is and just puts the ditch next to it

794
01:14:46,170 --> 01:14:52,330
So maybe there's a hybrid between the two and we say look we're willing to replace it, but up to a six foot fence if you want the eight foot fence

795
01:14:52,330 --> 01:14:59,410
You pay the differential and each then property owner decides whether they want to contribute to the cost of the project to have that eight foot fence

796
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,960
If we believe that the six percent of the fence is adequate, and they don't then, okay, so my question is that, this right here, if you leave the six foot fence in, we don't touch it.

797
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:17,220
And then we steep in it. Isn't the fence from the streets? I think it looked like it's only four feet tall.

798
01:15:17,980 --> 01:15:22,580
Yes. And that was a concern by the least that the property that came last. So I guess to me,

799
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:33,960
it almost seems, almost seems like we should put the eight foot fence in for protection from that.

800
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:39,440
Let's say you want it. That's that is this point. Well, no, I understand it, but if they don't want it

801
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:47,560
I don't understand how you leave a six foot fence in one place and put an eight foot fence. Well, my point is why do we care if it looks like a six foot fence from the street?

802
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,340
They already have

803
01:15:49,340 --> 01:15:57,440
Different fences on that street. Like some of them would put the fence on top of cement. So it's already two feet higher. That's that street right there

804
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:18,440
I guess that's what I'm wondering. Is the fence there for a safety measure or is it just there for aesthetics and could they just, if they want to do a eight foot fence, they could come in and ask for an exception or

805
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:22,460
I mean the fence is there.

806
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,320
I would have to talk to Lorne.

807
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,740
I wasn't here when we originally agreed.

808
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,020
But essentially the fence is not, I mean it's not a highway fence, right?

809
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:38,220
I mean a car go through it, yes a car could, but it is some form of a safety measure.

810
01:16:39,820 --> 01:16:45,360
But yeah, essentially we installed that fence as part of the project originally.

811
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:54,240
I think that, from my perspective, my concern is, is honestly just to make sure that we're

812
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:00,620
not doing anything that would harm the project so that our contractor can't construct

813
01:17:00,620 --> 01:17:01,660
it in the spring.

814
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:01,980
Right?

815
01:17:01,980 --> 01:17:04,700
I mean, we have a few one-store, through things.

816
01:17:06,100 --> 01:17:12,120
But if we delay the contractor, then we could incur some fairly excessive costs.

817
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,160
So why would we be changing the fence?

818
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:21,220
Because right now, it's already

819
01:17:21,220 --> 01:17:23,500
to look like it's what it is right now,

820
01:17:23,620 --> 01:17:24,520
forfeet from the road, right?

821
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,640
We're not raising the road or anything.

822
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,680
It's just because we're putting in more lanes.

823
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Yeah, the fence will look the same height that it is now.

824
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,240
It's just that because the road is closer to the fence.

825
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:35,660
OK.

826
01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:40,020
The fence may seem lower, but the road actually

827
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:42,500
does not get any higher in this area,

828
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,740
because we're keeping the existing road,

829
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,340
and we're just tapering it down.

830
01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:52,860
But the road truly does get closer to the fence, so it seems like the fence is shorter.

831
01:17:59,380 --> 01:18:04,520
You know, after seeing your analysis and the costs, I think two A is a rational resolve.

832
01:18:05,260 --> 01:18:07,780
See how that citizen's respond to that?

833
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,780
I think there's, there may be one or two that want to make a fence.

834
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:17,980
I like Paul's solution to that and say, well, we'll extend that, but we need some participation.

835
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,000
We get right now you have a six-foot fence.

836
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:28,480
Are you suggesting mayor that we meet with every property owner?

837
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:28,840
Yeah.

838
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,560
Well, propose it.

839
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,880
This is the solution that the city will propose.

840
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,080
And then give them the option that if they want to defense, then they can pay for it.

841
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:40,720
The difference.

842
01:18:40,940 --> 01:18:41,580
The difference.

843
01:18:42,420 --> 01:18:42,820
The difference.

844
01:18:42,820 --> 01:18:43,260
The difference.

845
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:44,000
The difference.

846
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:45,920
The difference.

847
01:18:47,900 --> 01:18:50,520
What's our obligation here?

848
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,180
I don't believe we have any obligation.

849
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,980
Defense is on our property line.

850
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,540
Because I'm happy consulting with the neighbors.

851
01:19:01,020 --> 01:19:03,280
But I would say, hey, would you like...

852
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,760
Optionate it costs us some money, or option be it costs us a lot of money when really.

853
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,340
No, when I could understand where they thought we were putting in...

854
01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:11,680
Yeah.

855
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,100
If you want to pay the difference, we'll do that.

856
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:16,680
But if we're not putting in any fences, then I don't think that's...

857
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,540
I don't want to necessarily frame the conversation as, you know, you definitely get to pick.

858
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:25,340
to be fair I asked Brad that we look at small options because we did have some

859
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:29,220
citizens that were concerned but we needed to know what the cost were now we

860
01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:35,240
know and it is pretty significant as more than I thought it would be but yeah I

861
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,800
think Brad I'm what I'm here and here we need to move along so I'm sorry but

862
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:45,160
yeah I think we do what you suggest is just let the property owners know that

863
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,960
about what we're going to try to do here and see what they're concerned about.

864
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,200
So the move, the go forward time would be the way.

865
01:19:52,380 --> 01:19:53,600
Two a.

866
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:53,980
Correct.

867
01:19:54,660 --> 01:19:55,040
Yes.

868
01:19:56,420 --> 01:19:56,740
All right.

869
01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:57,500
I think so.

870
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:58,920
Can you think the existing things?

871
01:19:59,380 --> 01:19:59,980
I mean doubt.

872
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:09,380
Would help with the water flow. That was one of the things they brought up. And I think we do have responsibility to try to keep that on our side, I guess, but.

873
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:14,260
I think we do in French, French Dane's work. We've been using for a lot of years.

874
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,240
Yeah, we need to do a value. What do we do a French strainer or a concrete b-ditch?

875
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,200
Can you talk to public works and see what they want to?

876
01:20:21,820 --> 01:20:32,240
I think the reason I think well, first thing I think it's going to have to be some kind of friend strain because there will be some snow build up that's going to turn into ice and then it's not going to flow in the winter time.

877
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,180
So you almost have to have a perforated system where the water can get into the ground.

878
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:46,260
Whether it's a V-ditch or a friend strain I think those costs are the same.

879
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:53,620
They're not much different. I guess the question is, is this a message that you're asking me to portray to them or

880
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,000
Yeah, we'd love you to

881
01:20:58,650 --> 01:20:59,090
I

882
01:20:59,090 --> 01:21:03,730
Would you love to be whatever you ask? I think that's your job. Brats. Sorry

883
01:21:03,730 --> 01:21:08,690
So what you're looking for is ahead not that we're all cool with you offering to a

884
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:17,680
I will pursue that way. And just let them know there is the option that they can put in ask for an exception and to get an eight foot fence

885
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:24,120
that I at their cost because I don't like pace that I don't know if we have that obligation

886
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,620
to do that.

887
01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:26,280
I don't.

888
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,360
All right.

889
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:30,060
Thank you.

890
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:30,480
Thank you.

891
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:32,060
Okay.

892
01:21:32,180 --> 01:21:37,580
Council, do you have anything on any questions on the agenda that I'm pretty sure

893
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:38,600
to agenda?

894
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:40,340
Okay.

895
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:46,860
Administrative report, Joel, I know you've got talk to us about the new power

896
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,260
I didn't email this to your earlier because I thought I'd just hand out a handout.

897
01:22:00,140 --> 01:22:06,780
I'll start with what I'm looking for is just, today is an update on what we're going

898
01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:13,500
to be looking to get approval for a power cells contract, actually two power cells contract

899
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:21,540
that are due November 30th and in order to hit that deadline, we're looking at having to have

900
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:44,840
those approved our next council meeting because we only have one in November, so that's the last one between now and then so I want to give you a really high level skim of what we're looking at and then give you guys the opportunity to reach out to me if you have more specific questions or if you have any tonight we're happy to talk about those but if we move through this relatively quickly

901
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:54,640
UAMPS did an integrated resource plan about a year ago to determine what the next directions are after the

902
01:22:54,640 --> 01:23:00,600
the closure of the study project for the nuclear plant that was supposed to be built in Idaho Falls.

903
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:06,060
So as they look for what needs to happen, it was determined they need to build two natural gas plants.

904
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:11,300
One would be a base load natural gas plant and one would be a peaking natural gas plant.

905
01:23:12,380 --> 01:23:18,640
They sized those plants based on what they assumed the member needs were for all of you

906
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:18,940
absent.

907
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:24,480
It came in to be the base load patent and be 360 megawatts and the peaking plant is 200

908
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:25,440
megawatts.

909
01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:27,360
So that was the IRP recommendation.

910
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:35,620
Now as they went through and met with members to decide what their needs were, they came up

911
01:23:35,620 --> 01:23:39,320
with 245 megawatts of need for the base load power plant.

912
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:43,160
And the peaking plant was 164 megawatts.

913
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,760
Both of those were 82% of what the recommended size of the plant was.

914
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:55,360
Just for reference, sleigh-high's portion would be the 25 megawatts of the base load plant and 30 megawatts of the peaking plant.

915
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:05,380
In order to move forward with the power cells contract, the contract has to be 85% subscribed.

916
01:24:05,380 --> 01:24:13,820
But we're not there yet, but in order to do that, they asked if everybody would be willing

917
01:24:13,820 --> 01:24:16,880
to increase their subscription by 5%.

918
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,180
So that's what you see there and what would come back so long as everybody is comfortable

919
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:27,940
with the increased percentages and megawatts for the new amount.

920
01:24:28,060 --> 01:24:33,360
So that would be 258 and 173 and you can see the percentages there.

921
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:40,360
So we cross the 85% requirement and that puts us at 26.25 megawatts in 31.5.

922
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:48,740
So that's kind of $4 million for what's that right $1.4 million total, not each.

923
01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:54,520
Oh, are you looking, are you looking at the price tag?

924
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:58,940
I know I shouldn't hand this to you yet, okay, so

925
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:08,640
With project development of the scale and of what the industry has in place now. Longly times and transmission

926
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:25,460
requirements and just generally development, there's more upfront costs than they're used to be. So because of that, they have to go get financing earlier on the normal, which means we have to have a power cell's contract completed, then we can go get financing to do a letter of credit for these expenses.

927
01:25:25,460 --> 01:25:30,200
So these expenses estimate to be about 1.4 million.

928
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:37,860
The transmission request is $5 million each for the to interconnect

929
01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:39,260
to the transmission system.

930
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,300
That's a deposit and we will, once that's completed,

931
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,280
we'll get a large portion of that back.

932
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:47,700
But we still have to upfront that $5 million each.

933
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:52,160
Plus, the goal is to get to a class three engineering estimate.

934
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,380
So, those upfront costs have to be paid through this study phase.

935
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,220
That's why those percentages become important.

936
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:01,700
So, or our entitlements.

937
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:05,460
So, that means we're 10.2% of the base load power plant,

938
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,220
and we're 18.2% of the peaking plant.

939
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:11,540
So, that means 1.4 million.

940
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:13,340
That would be our responsibility.

941
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:15,140
Now, we will get a large portion of that back.

942
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:21,760
The five million they estimate will actually

943
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:27,360
I mean, could you please explain about harsh penalties?

944
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:36,100
So, this is a little different than some of the other projects we've done.

945
01:26:36,980 --> 01:26:41,040
So once we're in, we're in so long as the project moves forward.

946
01:26:41,540 --> 01:26:44,380
So rather than talk about penalties, there's some protections.

947
01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:50,500
So we would be part, as the largest member would be part of the project member committee,

948
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:52,540
the PMC, which makes these decisions.

949
01:26:53,260 --> 01:26:56,460
So once the contract is signed and done,

950
01:26:56,900 --> 01:26:59,440
now we'll put guardrails on it to protect the project

951
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,340
and protect all of them in the number cities.

952
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:07,620
What we're proposing those would be that 85% requirement

953
01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:10,840
would have to be in place or the project is not a project.

954
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:15,280
So if these numbers drop, we don't move forward.

955
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:16,980
And we're pretty close.

956
01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:18,440
So it's a little bit dicey.

957
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:22,220
The other part would be that we would set a price cap.

958
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,980
So the levelized cost of energy or what the cost is per megawatt hour.

959
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:33,660
If that hits above a certain ceiling project ends or we have to make a decision for willing to pay more.

960
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:36,040
So that's a decision point.

961
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:43,500
And in my history the group isn't good at sticking to those plans.

962
01:27:44,420 --> 01:27:46,560
So that's something that I don't love.

963
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:52,180
But there is another piece that I do like and that is they could downsize the project.

964
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:57,900
So if we don't hit the 85% they make the project smaller and then we fit.

965
01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:01,980
So long as the cap the price cap stays there.

966
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:08,880
So there is a need for this energy obviously.

967
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:13,160
I didn't talk about the dates that these plants would be online.

968
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:21,220
is 2029 and the other was 2031. So these are a long ways out.

969
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:25,660
But yeah, that's a really high

970
01:28:25,660 --> 01:28:30,920
level quick run through of the two power plants that we're looking at through UMPs and what

971
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:38,940
are what our participation would look like. Questions and what other follow-up you might

972
01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:44,940
you want before we meet again right in what is sat through some of the power cells contracts

973
01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:50,360
walk through. I reviewed them as well and sat through lots and lots of meetings but we

974
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,940
can do our best to answer questions and you have staff to be able to.

975
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,660
I'm sorry you have any more questions right now.

976
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,780
Joel, how much did you say we're expected to get back from the deposit?

977
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:10,880
They said, I wanted to call in our call today, that it would be 160,000 is what they

978
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:16,460
actually cost what I'm being. So that seems ridiculous, right? $5 million, and it really

979
01:29:16,460 --> 01:29:23,360
only cost 150,000. The reason is there's so many interconnection requests happening with so

980
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:29,300
many renewable projects that there's not enough transmission and pacificor is overwhelmed

981
01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:34,040
with requests and they take a lot of their time, they only want serious requests. So unless

982
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:41,740
you're willing to put up $5 million and then if you pull that then there's a penalty of

983
01:29:41,740 --> 01:29:48,340
nine times what the initial study was. They do not want you like pretending to connect.

984
01:29:48,660 --> 01:29:53,580
Because they've got a lot of that. People will come and, hey, we want to connect right here. We

985
01:29:53,580 --> 01:29:57,580
think we have a project and they don't have any subscribers, they got nobody to take the power

986
01:29:57,580 --> 01:29:59,960
And then they fall apart and that happens all the time.

987
01:30:00,620 --> 01:30:04,580
So they're kind of done with that, and that's why these look like this now.

988
01:30:09,690 --> 01:30:31,390
Thank you, Joel. Yeah. Please reach out to me in the next few weeks. If you have questions, if there's any new information that comes out, I'll email you that so that you're prepared on the 12th to have that discussion. And there's a chance that this doesn't to be because the subscription level isn't met and we've got to rethink some things.

989
01:30:31,390 --> 01:30:33,830
Okay, but there's no things changing power.

990
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:35,150
Yep, thank you.

991
01:30:35,170 --> 01:30:35,570
Thanks, George.

992
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:38,130
Okay, Council.

993
01:30:40,030 --> 01:30:43,950
So reports, I know we have another run-vailing coming up.

994
01:30:44,150 --> 01:30:47,890
We also have the UVU ribbon cutting.

995
01:30:47,950 --> 01:30:50,030
I know we're probably wanted at both,

996
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:52,390
so there's going to be a timing issue.

997
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:55,350
I think you can go early to the UVU thing.

998
01:30:55,550 --> 01:30:57,730
I encourage you to do that to take a tour of the facility.

999
01:30:58,210 --> 01:31:00,110
I'll talk to Sue and see if that's possible.

1000
01:31:00,110 --> 01:31:05,530
So you can do that and after the ribbon cutting, you can head straight up to the Monument

1001
01:31:05,530 --> 01:31:06,010
and Vailing.

1002
01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:11,570
So I'll see if we can work that out of call her a Marm, her and I.

1003
01:31:11,570 --> 01:31:15,350
I think I planned on 530 for the ribbon cutting, which is what makes it so tight.

1004
01:31:16,510 --> 01:31:17,310
For UVU.

1005
01:31:17,630 --> 01:31:17,690
Yeah.

1006
01:31:17,690 --> 01:31:21,110
So open house 4 to 6, but ribbon cutting of 530 is out of this.

1007
01:31:22,170 --> 01:31:25,930
So that we should be able to make it go or you'll be surprised.

1008
01:31:25,930 --> 01:31:34,090
I'm very toward the facility and I'll tell you what, I was shocked at the technology they have there

1009
01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:44,130
trained the nurses and the dentists and everything else and the police emergency services personnel training that goes on now will be there.

1010
01:31:44,350 --> 01:31:47,990
I'm excited to have it in our community. I mean this is really awesome.

1011
01:31:48,530 --> 01:31:51,090
So, and it's here for a reason, right?

1012
01:31:52,510 --> 01:31:55,070
And there's Lehigh's where they want to be,

1013
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:57,590
because the medical centers that are coming in here,

1014
01:31:58,850 --> 01:32:01,010
and they believe they'll have,

1015
01:32:02,030 --> 01:32:04,770
you know, be a draw for a lot of students

1016
01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:07,250
to go to school here, so.

1017
01:32:07,670 --> 01:32:10,210
Okay, anything else on your assignments?

1018
01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:16,000
And it took that one over for you, sorry, don't know.

1019
01:32:16,620 --> 01:32:17,040
But the monument.

1020
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:22,300
But the UB that you think I'm on their board and so that's important to me too, so.

1021
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:22,660
All right.

1022
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,320
Let's go ahead and take a break.

1023
01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:27,460
Let's try to get back close to seven.

1024
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,280
We might just be a minute or two light, but for those who come,

1025
01:32:30,420 --> 01:32:33,100
we'll try to get back here and start at the seven for a regular session.

1026
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,060
Hi, City Council.

1027
01:32:44,620 --> 01:32:47,320
Meeting at the date is October 22nd,

1028
01:32:48,660 --> 01:32:49,100
2024.

1029
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:50,820
This is our regular session.

1030
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,360
And as a matter of role call,

1031
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,520
All our city council members are in attendance here today.

1032
01:33:00,980 --> 01:33:07,040
We do always start this meeting up with a pledge of allegiance, and I've asked Paul, if he would lead us in that.

1033
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:11,660
Please rise.

1034
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:25,800
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in Israel with liberty and justice for all.

1035
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:29,180
Thank you Paul.

1036
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:31,940
All righty.

1037
01:33:31,940 --> 01:33:39,100
So one thing we do at our city council meetings is we allow about 20 minutes for public input.

1038
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:46,880
So if there's somebody here who would like to bring something to the attention of the council or the administrative staff,

1039
01:33:47,420 --> 01:33:49,100
this is an opportunity to stand up and do it.

1040
01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:53,340
We do have a limited time, so we ask you limit your comments to about two or three minutes.

1041
01:33:55,220 --> 01:34:00,980
If you're here to speak on something on the agenda, if you'll wait until that agenda item comes up,

1042
01:34:00,980 --> 01:34:07,140
That's a more appropriate place to have that discussion and to tell us how you feel that's that's that's okay

1043
01:34:07,140 --> 01:34:08,980
We'll be taking on

1044
01:34:10,380 --> 01:34:15,080
I'll be taking common on anything that I believe somebody is here and feels need to speak on

1045
01:34:16,060 --> 01:34:22,100
But right now is there anybody in the in the audience would like to stand up and speak on something that is not on the agenda

1046
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,680
Yeah, you got a rose. Are you got to come up front give us your name

1047
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:34,700
to put my kids to bed. I haven't reviewed the agenda and he tells us the train on the agenda.

1048
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:35,840
Later.

1049
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:36,560
The transaction.

1050
01:34:36,700 --> 01:34:39,020
We talked about the train in pre-counts.

1051
01:34:39,580 --> 01:34:40,860
Is it okay if I make it?

1052
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:41,880
Yeah, absolutely.

1053
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:42,960
We understand.

1054
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,620
We are very much engaged in this issue.

1055
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:49,300
I met with one of our congressmen this afternoon.

1056
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:50,900
I'm about to go ahead.

1057
01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:52,560
Thank you.

1058
01:34:52,780 --> 01:34:55,320
Scott Murphy, by the way, lead high resident for about six years,

1059
01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:57,700
a one year stint elsewhere, but love the community.

1060
01:34:57,700 --> 01:34:59,580
Thanks for all you do to support our community.

1061
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,320
I've become really good friends with Luke. No, he's working super hard. And so I want you to know I'm totally a champion for the city and trying to get that sorted out.

1062
01:35:08,540 --> 01:35:15,100
I am an affected resident, light sleeper. Obviously, I signed up for it, believing there was a quiet zone.

1063
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:21,000
We all want it back as soon as possible. You understand that, and I don't need to rehash that. But I had an idea.

1064
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:28,260
I just wanted to put on your radar. I actually mentioned this to Luke as well. I feel that I've actually gone. I'm kind of a researcher by nature.

1065
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:32,060
I've done a huge deep dive on the history of the FRA, these regulations.

1066
01:35:32,140 --> 01:35:37,500
I've been talking to people at the FRA, I haven't kind of doing my own research here

1067
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:38,240
in.

1068
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:44,800
And I have come to the conclusion that the FRA has operated with regulatory uncertainty, I think

1069
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,440
you guys would agree where there wasn't any regulation for a long time, and then all of a sudden

1070
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:50,780
they came in with a big stick.

1071
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,320
They had regulation, it just wasn't enforced.

1072
01:35:53,340 --> 01:35:53,740
Exactly.

1073
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,960
They didn't have inspectors, and this is happening at cities across the country.

1074
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,820
And we'll happen to other cities soon, I'm aware of.

1075
01:36:01,660 --> 01:36:04,440
So my idea for the state of Utah, at least,

1076
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,940
I want to, you know, I'll share more details over email,

1077
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:11,360
is I feel that the entire state, and particularly

1078
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,380
the UTA, has a vested interest in the success

1079
01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:15,700
and maintenance of the quiet zones.

1080
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,840
The whole UTA system was kind of built on this,

1081
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,300
like economic development vision, that really crumbles

1082
01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:24,800
if you don't have the quiet zones.

1083
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:30,280
And I know hundreds of students down at the provostation at BYU, for example, who can't sleep to the night.

1084
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:36,060
And so the public support for UTA and the front runner will crumble without these quiet zones.

1085
01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:44,160
And so my proposal is, and I would seek your input on this in the future, is that we actually go to the 2025 Utah Legislative session.

1086
01:36:44,780 --> 01:36:50,200
And we propose a bill that basically has the state provided a bit of funding.

1087
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:58,380
It doesn't need to be any crazy amount and mandate UTA or another entity, but I think it should be UTA because they've obviously got the cloud

1088
01:36:58,380 --> 01:37:00,100
They've got the relationships

1089
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:08,680
They've got the on-call contractor that can do stuff in two weeks that it was gonna take us two years to do and I feel that there's a really compelling

1090
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,620
argument to be made in the interest of true public safety

1091
01:37:12,620 --> 01:37:18,760
Not just the train safety, which is critically important, but I've dug into all the facts on this and

1092
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:24,020
The idea that this was down in the interest of public safety does not hold up the scrutiny and I have all the data in fact

1093
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:30,440
It's important that you were absolutely correct and so it's completely just a power play by the FRA and I feel that Utah

1094
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:33,580
Utah or Utah can solve this problem for the long run

1095
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:35,740
but we need

1096
01:37:35,740 --> 01:37:37,540
somebody with

1097
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:39,880
relationships cloud and

1098
01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:47,320
Accountability at the state level and their details to be worked out, but I just wanted to pitch that as an idea

1099
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,860
plant to seed with you all and I'll follow up over email with details.

1100
01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:55,860
I'd love your input and feedback off you think that's a good idea, but one way or the

1101
01:37:55,860 --> 01:37:59,600
other, you know, just want to help support the preservation of the quiet zones.

1102
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:00,740
Thank you.

1103
01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:01,460
Yeah, I appreciate it.

1104
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:02,520
Well, look forward to your email.

1105
01:38:02,980 --> 01:38:04,220
We're actually taking it to DC.

1106
01:38:05,020 --> 01:38:06,540
So, yeah, we're working on it.

1107
01:38:06,700 --> 01:38:06,800
Fantastic.

1108
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:07,560
Thank you.

1109
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:08,800
Thank you.

1110
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:09,800
Other public comment.

1111
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:12,520
Okay.

1112
01:38:12,540 --> 01:38:13,260
Seeing none.

1113
01:38:13,620 --> 01:38:17,540
I'll close the citizen input, we'll bring it up here.

1114
01:38:17,540 --> 01:38:21,220
We have a couple of presentations here.

1115
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,560
The first one is item 3.1 and this is the Heart Saver Award presentation.

1116
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:27,860
Chief Robinson.

1117
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:29,400
Come on up.

1118
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:34,860
Mayor Council.

1119
01:38:34,900 --> 01:38:36,410
Thanks for putting us on the agenda tonight.

1120
01:38:37,340 --> 01:38:42,680
I'm always very proud as a chief officer to recognize the life-saving efforts of our fire

1121
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,160
personnel and our police officers in the city.

1122
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:46,860
They do a phenomenal job.

1123
01:38:46,860 --> 01:38:54,020
this call that was they did they did fantastic job saving life but beyond it

1124
01:38:54,020 --> 01:38:58,880
just what we did on scene we also had we had assistance from bystanders

1125
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:04,300
a couple of bystanders that that had performed life saving measures on scene

1126
01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:07,980
and helped help us out a little bit I want to give you the details of the call

1127
01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:12,880
this to you understand what what took place and and who did what before we

1128
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:18,560
recognize them. So this call happened on August 9th to 2024.

1129
01:39:23,370 --> 01:39:24,610
A 48-year-old man was found

1130
01:39:24,610 --> 01:39:30,470
unresponsive in his vehicle by two bystanders who forced entry by breaking a window and

1131
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:36,490
removed a patient from the vehicle. Once he was removed from the vehicle he was not breathing

1132
01:39:36,490 --> 01:39:44,230
and had no pulse. Bystanders initiated CPR until Lehigh PD arrived and assisted CPR on a

1133
01:39:44,230 --> 01:39:51,490
of the Lehigh Pire Crew, Station 81, A-Shift, patient care was assumed by EMS and Airway was

1134
01:39:51,490 --> 01:39:52,230
secure.

1135
01:39:53,170 --> 01:39:59,970
Medications were given in four rounds of CPR administered and the patient received Ross, which is returned.

1136
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:08,240
adjourned of spontaneous circulation. Patient maintain a pulse during transport to Mount Point Hospital and his home with his family this evening.

1137
01:40:08,540 --> 01:40:17,460
I've been released from the hospital. So, as you may know, there's a few things that need to take place in order for this to happen.

1138
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:23,540
And I know Chief Crafters outlined some of those things. And one of those is good quality CPR.

1139
01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:27,300
by people or citizens before we arrive.

1140
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:28,820
That's something that's very important.

1141
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:31,220
Good CPR by our police officers,

1142
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,780
and then quality care by our EMS personnel.

1143
01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:36,980
And all three of those things happen that day.

1144
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:39,800
And as gentlemen, it's home with this family this evening

1145
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:40,780
because of their efforts.

1146
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:44,840
So I want to recognize their efforts

1147
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,920
with the life-saving war this evening.

1148
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:47,760
And I'll call them up.

1149
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:48,120
I name them.

1150
01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:50,960
If they wouldn't mind coming up and we'll recognize them.

1151
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,240
Battalion Chief Jeff Smith,

1152
01:41:00,750 --> 01:41:01,750
Captain Trent Stanley,

1153
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:06,900
Engineer Steve Berenson,

1154
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:11,880
Paramet Exacto-Cero,

1155
01:41:14,990 --> 01:41:16,810
AEMT Kai-Hedman,

1156
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:20,480
and Parametic Culture Nordbird.

1157
01:41:29,020 --> 01:41:35,000
From our PD, we have Brennan Rudolf and Brennan Farnsworth,

1158
01:41:41,790 --> 01:41:42,070
and then our

1159
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:45,570
bystandard are here with us this evening that also the

1160
01:41:45,570 --> 01:41:49,350
form CPR life-saving measures, Daniel Toulack,

1161
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,080
and James McClardy.

1162
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:14,200
Thank you.

1163
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,080
I'm going to step down there and we'll get a photograph of everybody together.

1164
01:42:27,340 --> 01:42:27,880
Thanks, Mayor.

1165
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:49,840
Do we go like that?

1166
01:43:24,730 --> 01:43:27,650
Those are always kind of very special presentations.

1167
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:32,650
Item 3.2.

1168
01:43:33,070 --> 01:43:36,570
This is the one that I look forward to doing this one and signing this one every year.

1169
01:43:37,410 --> 01:43:38,910
So Sarah's always here.

1170
01:43:38,970 --> 01:43:39,710
Thank you.

1171
01:43:39,710 --> 01:43:42,250
And by the way, I've worked my purple tie.

1172
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:44,870
I forgot last year, and I felt terrible all year.

1173
01:43:45,070 --> 01:43:48,050
First thing I grabbed on my closet this morning, right?

1174
01:43:48,710 --> 01:43:51,550
Well, I knew you would, so OK.

1175
01:43:52,130 --> 01:43:56,950
So every year in November, we honor this as epilepsy,

1176
01:43:56,950 --> 01:44:00,990
awareness month, and I always sign a proclamation.

1177
01:44:01,590 --> 01:44:04,010
So I'm going to read through that proclamation now,

1178
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:06,770
because we think this is an extremely important thing.

1179
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:10,430
and so it would just be patient with me for just a moment.

1180
01:44:11,790 --> 01:44:16,470
This is a proclamation for the Epilepsy Awareness Month in November 2024.

1181
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:22,090
Whereas Epilepsy is an incurable brain disorder that causes people to have recurring seizures.

1182
01:44:22,770 --> 01:44:28,770
Whereas Epilepsy is the third most common neurological condition in one in 26 people in the United States.

1183
01:44:28,770 --> 01:44:37,010
Well, develop epilepsy in his or her lifetime due to genetics, traumatic brain injury, illness, unknown causes, and more.

1184
01:44:37,370 --> 01:44:46,290
Whereas epilepsy affects 3.4 million, millions of people, Americans, with nearly 34,000 of them being utons.

1185
01:44:46,910 --> 01:44:52,390
Millions more are affected, such as families, caregivers, friends, teachers, and more.

1186
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:59,390
where as a white spread lack of understanding and knowledge about epilepsy, often cause people, particularly children, and youth.

1187
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,960
Chair, isolate, stigmatize, and bully their peers who are afflicted with epilepsy and other seizures

1188
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:15,620
disorders and whereas. The city of Lehigh joins November 2024's epilepsy awareness month, a global

1189
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:21,480
national and state effort to increase awareness, educate residents of Lehigh about epilepsy and

1190
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:26,760
Lynn support to people with epilepsy and their families in order to improve their quality of life.

1191
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:32,980
Now, therefore, by proclamation of Mayor Mark Johnson in the City Council, members Page

1192
01:45:32,980 --> 01:45:38,360
Albert, Chris Condy, Paul Hancock, Heather Null, Michelle's Thalings, dated this 22nd

1193
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,000
day of October 2024,

1194
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:43,560
signed this,

1195
01:45:45,850 --> 01:45:47,810
and we'll bring it down and get another picture, is that

1196
01:45:47,810 --> 01:45:48,190
okay?

1197
01:45:54,740 --> 01:46:02,500
I actually do wear this tie even if it's a sky-ritch.

1198
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:04,100
I know,

1199
01:46:18,780 --> 01:46:19,560
I know, but you're not.

1200
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,320
It's airship in mind.

1201
01:46:22,820 --> 01:46:23,540
Good luck.

1202
01:46:24,180 --> 01:46:24,540
Come on.

1203
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:25,140
Good luck.

1204
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:26,360
Good luck.

1205
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,580
This is going in your firm record too, but it's really awesome.

1206
01:46:35,420 --> 01:46:35,600
Thank you.

1207
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:35,880
Thank you.

1208
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,120
I don't know about your permanent record now, you know what it is.

1209
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,440
Item 3.3, we have an employee,

1210
01:47:00,820 --> 01:47:02,900
commendation. Tom, commendations.

1211
01:47:03,740 --> 01:47:03,920
Cameron?

1212
01:47:05,140 --> 01:47:06,160
Tom, do you?

1213
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:13,360
So we have three employees that we like to recognize tonight for some achievement or recognition that they've received

1214
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:16,020
from organizations outside of our city.

1215
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:23,820
And so I've invited Heather Tucker with the Literacy Center to recognize one of her employees.

1216
01:47:24,620 --> 01:47:30,760
And then Kim's brothers will recognize one of his employees and then all recognize Judge Cummings.

1217
01:47:31,340 --> 01:47:33,560
So I'll let Heather do her job now.

1218
01:47:34,980 --> 01:47:36,400
I always have to recognize the judge.

1219
01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:45,920
All right, I just wanted to introduce you to Alva Portillo.

1220
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,720
Alva has been with the Literacy Center for about 13 years.

1221
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:56,980
She was nominated and selected to be recognized by the Hispanic Heritage Congressional Recognition

1222
01:47:56,980 --> 01:48:02,340
Ceremony, which is hosted by U.S. Congressman Burgess Owen's office annually.

1223
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:09,340
So, Elva was one of about 40 participants that was recognized for the state of Utah for the

1224
01:48:09,340 --> 01:48:15,500
fourth congressional district. So, we just wanted to make you aware that she does a phenomenal

1225
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:19,700
job for us at the Literacy Center. And she's been with us for a long time and she

1226
01:48:19,700 --> 01:48:21,540
she's touched many, many lives.

1227
01:48:21,740 --> 01:48:23,260
I would thank you very much.

1228
01:48:34,730 --> 01:48:36,370
Yeah, let's wait and we'll get a picture

1229
01:48:36,370 --> 01:48:37,090
with all together.

1230
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:37,730
Is that okay?

1231
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:38,990
Yeah, that's fine.

1232
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:47,060
We still deserve Todd's desk.

1233
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,880
As I thought it was so cool, I've got to show you

1234
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:51,340
it's my clone body.

1235
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:52,560
Yeah, thank you.

1236
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:53,520
Is that high karate?

1237
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:55,340
It's heavy.

1238
01:48:55,660 --> 01:48:56,640
It's a good paper room.

1239
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,980
Now we want it, it's so great to work with Todd.

1240
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,240
He does such a great job at his job.

1241
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:10,680
So, recently, Todd was, I don't know if it was nominated, anyways, he was awarded this

1242
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:16,060
Friends of the Jordan River Award by the Jordan River Commission and the Jordan River

1243
01:49:16,060 --> 01:49:23,040
Foundation for, they wanted to recognize Todd for his exceptional community engagement related

1244
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,080
to the Jordan River.

1245
01:49:24,780 --> 01:49:32,140
He received the recognition just earlier this month at their annual awards at the Living

1246
01:49:32,140 --> 01:49:37,860
planet aquarium, but yeah, I think you're all very aware, but maybe the public and those who

1247
01:49:37,860 --> 01:49:44,340
are watching Todd has done a lot of things with the Jordan River with service projects,

1248
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:49,400
clean up the puncture weed bounty. I think it was in your most recent one. You collected

1249
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:59,900
how many thousand pounds? Just about 2,500 pounds. That was a big bunch. It wasn't a record.

1250
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,440
But it was almost a record, right?

1251
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:02,440
It just keeps happening.

1252
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:07,660
But I hope you'll get less flat tires if you're on your way.

1253
01:50:09,220 --> 01:50:13,920
So yeah, the recognized Todd for that. And some of the recognition even you can share in,

1254
01:50:14,140 --> 01:50:19,340
they recognized Lehigh City for adopting our Jordan River overlay protection zone.

1255
01:50:19,780 --> 01:50:27,800
And Todd's just helping us oversee that. So Todd just does a wonderful job helping

1256
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:33,740
raise awareness. He's involved in so many different facets of sustainability with recycling,

1257
01:50:34,180 --> 01:50:41,400
air quality, water efficiency, energy usage, and even transportation. He's also the liaison

1258
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:47,380
to our seven member environmental sustainability committee, and they help with all of those efforts.

1259
01:50:48,020 --> 01:50:54,060
And we're always looking for volunteers. If somebody is interested in serving in that capacity

1260
01:50:54,060 --> 01:50:55,220
with environmental sustainability.

1261
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,120
But anyway, we want to congratulate Todd for his award.

1262
01:51:10,030 --> 01:51:12,790
On the right, Judge Cummings up here with me.

1263
01:51:13,410 --> 01:51:14,030
No, bro.

1264
01:51:16,110 --> 01:51:17,490
But he has had the bow tie.

1265
01:51:17,810 --> 01:51:20,990
So that's how you recognize him as the bow tie.

1266
01:51:22,010 --> 01:51:28,910
So, well, Judge Cummings, he was recently given an award from the Chief Justice, Chief Justice

1267
01:51:28,910 --> 01:51:31,510
around the Chief Justice of the Utah Supreme Court.

1268
01:51:32,190 --> 01:51:34,990
The ward is the quality of justice award.

1269
01:51:35,790 --> 01:51:38,270
The award is given to a judge who performs judicial

1270
01:51:38,270 --> 01:51:40,850
responsibilities without standing dedication

1271
01:51:40,850 --> 01:51:43,050
to the highest quality of justice.

1272
01:51:44,010 --> 01:51:46,910
And during the presentation of the award,

1273
01:51:47,730 --> 01:51:50,810
Chief Justice Durant made some comments

1274
01:51:50,810 --> 01:51:52,530
I'd like to share with you tonight.

1275
01:51:53,250 --> 01:51:55,230
He said judge Cummings currently serves

1276
01:51:55,230 --> 01:51:57,390
as the chair of the Board of Justice Court judges.

1277
01:51:57,390 --> 01:52:03,970
In this role, he provides strong leadership and has worked diligently and thoughtfully through various challenging issues.

1278
01:52:04,610 --> 01:52:12,510
In his role on the bench, Judge Cummings consistently and effectively creates an environment necessary to fulfill the judiciary's mission.

1279
01:52:13,110 --> 01:52:18,370
He is positive, patient, and kind while able to focus on the legal issues that need to be addressed.

1280
01:52:18,910 --> 01:52:22,930
He also mentors new judges and is always available to assist his colleagues.

1281
01:52:22,930 --> 01:52:29,650
Judge Cummings continuously demonstrates his outstanding dedication to the highest quality of justice.

1282
01:52:30,910 --> 01:52:38,010
And Judge Cummings leadership and respect that is shown to him as a parent when you go to the justice court

1283
01:52:38,010 --> 01:52:41,010
and you see his employees and how they interact with him.

1284
01:52:41,170 --> 01:52:43,430
And he's created a great culture over there.

1285
01:52:43,850 --> 01:52:48,690
And part of it is attributed, I think, to what a statement that he shared with me after being recognized.

1286
01:52:48,690 --> 01:52:53,790
he said that this is truly indicative and only possible because of the amazing work of our

1287
01:52:53,790 --> 01:53:01,110
whole team and so in receiving this recognition he paid tribute also to his team which I think

1288
01:53:01,110 --> 01:53:06,090
is well deserved as well. So we're grateful to have Judge Cummings in Lehigh City and we want

1289
01:53:06,090 --> 01:53:09,830
to congratulate him for receiving the quality of justice award.

1290
01:53:59,790 --> 01:54:02,530
Judge Nose of story. I've always

1291
01:54:02,530 --> 01:54:06,370
been so impressed with his boat tie that I decide to get me a boat tie. And I ask him how

1292
01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:07,750
or you tie this, he says, oh, it's easy.

1293
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:10,550
Just go online, there's plenty of videos showing you how to do it.

1294
01:54:10,590 --> 01:54:12,770
I spent an entire afternoon trying to figure out

1295
01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:13,830
how to tie that boat today.

1296
01:54:14,230 --> 01:54:14,910
It's never happened.

1297
01:54:15,070 --> 01:54:16,730
I've still never wore that boat today.

1298
01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:20,250
Hopefully, before I'm done being mayor,

1299
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:22,410
I'll be able to figure it out and come where at one night,

1300
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:24,390
but I'll tell you what, I'm impressed

1301
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:26,910
that you can even tie that thing every day.

1302
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:31,500
I feel like I'm going to my mom

1303
01:54:31,500 --> 01:54:32,400
to tie my tie.

1304
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:37,720
So it's not right for you, but I'm going to take you

1305
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:39,460
on it because I gave up on the video.

1306
01:54:39,900 --> 01:54:42,060
I mean, I could not figure it out.

1307
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:43,120
Thank you.

1308
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:45,730
All right.

1309
01:54:46,110 --> 01:54:47,650
Next item is item number four.

1310
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:48,830
It's actually 4.1.

1311
01:54:48,890 --> 01:54:50,470
This is approval purchase orders.

1312
01:54:50,970 --> 01:54:52,270
There's only one thing on there.

1313
01:54:52,370 --> 01:54:52,630
Council.

1314
01:54:52,810 --> 01:54:55,610
Do you have any questions on that purchase order item?

1315
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:58,670
Or those purchase orders and then consent agenda?

1316
01:54:58,670 --> 01:54:59,970
T-Sh-

1317
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,640
Do we need a reference, the purchase order number you sent us an email? It's in the morning.

1318
01:55:04,980 --> 01:55:08,600
It wouldn't hurt, sure. That's probably a good idea to do in the motion chair.

1319
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:09,740
Okay.

1320
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:14,300
Would somebody like to make a motion on that consent agenda?

1321
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:23,480
Mr. Mayor, we approve the consent agenda, which includes purchase order number 7874 for strong solutions,

1322
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:29,940
I'm in total of $134,000 and $50 as presented.

1323
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,180
I have a motion to approve the consent agenda.

1324
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:35,640
Do I have a second?

1325
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:37,840
I have a second.

1326
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:41,060
Chris made the motion page made the second.

1327
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,140
Any questions on that motion?

1328
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:46,740
Hearing none, all those in favor say aye.

1329
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:47,220
Aye.

1330
01:55:50,060 --> 01:55:51,060
It's an agenda passes.

1331
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:53,220
That moves us to item number five.

1332
01:55:53,220 --> 01:55:56,580
This is consideration of ordinance, number 64, 2024.

1333
01:55:57,580 --> 01:56:01,960
The Bowden General Plan Amendment on 5.18 acres located at

1334
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:07,080
98, 61 West, 9600 North, changing the land use designation from

1335
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:09,080
the LDRA to LDR.

1336
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,380
The applicant is Cory Bowden.

1337
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:13,820
Is he here?

1338
01:56:19,180 --> 01:56:20,500
Could be shorter than I anticipated.

1339
01:56:25,100 --> 01:56:27,580
Did you send that a notification earlier this week?

1340
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:28,500
So, on Monday.

1341
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:40,660
Councillor, it's up to you. We have a couple of options. We can list a comments. We can make a decision without him presenting, or we can table it.

1342
01:56:41,380 --> 01:56:42,540
Councillor, do you have a preference?

1343
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:47,020
I'm sorry.

1344
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:51,760
I think I'd be okay moving forward on this one. I'd be okay moving forward too.

1345
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:56,900
We'll still do that,

1346
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:19,120
I always like an application to go through the due process and have that opportunity to present as a constitutional right, but if you don't show up willingly, that makes it a lot more difficult for him to get what his application is for, so that being said, who's here to speak on this tonight?

1347
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:19,780
something

1348
01:57:25,250 --> 01:57:28,210
on the way here, can it come back or does he have to wait to get to it?

1349
01:57:28,490 --> 01:57:32,150
Yeah, I'm not, you have to shut up, but I'm just an emergency like that, or else we'd let him come.

1350
01:57:36,980 --> 01:57:41,220
Well, moving forward with some comments, I do ask you to keep your comments brief.

1351
01:57:41,860 --> 01:57:47,260
Obviously, if the applicant is an error, we'll understand what you have to say pretty simply and quickly,

1352
01:57:47,500 --> 01:57:52,180
and he doesn't have an opportunity to respond, unfortunately for him.

1353
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,900
But that being said, the rules are you come out to podium.

1354
01:57:55,480 --> 01:58:01,980
It's been about three minutes if you got that much but you got to give us your name because you heard me say that thing about the permanent record

1355
01:58:01,980 --> 01:58:08,400
It's even true when you're an adult. So it does go on the record of the city. So go ahead and come up

1356
01:58:15,500 --> 01:58:17,630
my name is Candace Hamor Jones and

1357
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:29,020
I live at 2784 West River Parkway and our property line shares with this property in question here with Mr. Bowdoin

1358
01:58:29,020 --> 01:58:34,280
There are several factors that I wish to cite that the City Council can join in with the

1359
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:38,880
Lee High City Planning Department and the Planning Commission that have already sent negative

1360
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,780
recommendations for this request.

1361
01:58:41,260 --> 01:58:45,780
First, the effect of the proposed amendment is not consistent with the land uses and zoning

1362
01:58:45,780 --> 01:58:49,920
of nearby and the joining properties or the character of the surrounding areas.

1363
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:56,200
The development review board already stated that they do not recommend approval of this

1364
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:04,040
the designation, stating that LDR lets you go down to 0.18 acre lots in your packet you

1365
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:15,220
saw that all neighboring lots are 0.5 acres and there's also two more platforms, the

1366
01:59:15,220 --> 01:59:21,660
Brails Ford Platt A and Black Label Platt A that's just north of the lot that was not included

1367
01:59:21,660 --> 01:59:24,880
but they are at least 0.51 acreageer above.

1368
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:30,700
Um, the applicant, when asked why they did not take the planning department's suggestion

1369
01:59:30,700 --> 01:59:37,500
of pursuing a PUD, which would protect the lot size to be 0.3 acre with a minimum of 20%

1370
01:59:37,500 --> 01:59:40,420
green space responded that this would not be our preference.

1371
01:59:41,060 --> 01:59:41,920
Why is that?

1372
01:59:42,060 --> 01:59:44,920
Because less lots means less money in the owner's pocket.

1373
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:50,760
By having an LDR designation, there is absolutely no guarantee that a developer wouldn't

1374
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:57,720
come back and say that it is there right to place 0.18 acre lots next to 0.5 acre lots

1375
01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:59,960
have no dedicated green space.

1376
02:00:00,020 --> 02:00:06,620
An institute, no cohesiveness with a neighborhood that has valued guidelines of maintenance and appearance.

1377
02:00:07,420 --> 02:00:20,300
I just moved into our home in April, and this area is a very nice area that would most certainly, it would negatively affect the character of the surrounding area.

1378
02:00:20,300 --> 02:00:33,720
The DRB also cited that the change to the general plan to a higher density should be near existing and future transit service or other land centers, and this does not meet these areas of development.

1379
02:00:34,900 --> 02:00:35,500
Secondly,

1380
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:45,280
one of the intents that the applicant said for the LDR designation is to allow

1381
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:49,140
for smaller lots for development, decreasing home prices.

1382
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:54,860
By increasing the number of homes being able to be built on this property, you are only

1383
02:00:54,860 --> 02:00:58,320
increasing the cell price developers will be asked to pay.

1384
02:00:58,780 --> 02:01:02,400
The more profit the owner receives is passed on to the home buyers.

1385
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:09,160
this only contributes to the upward battle of inflation as rezoning is petitioned right before

1386
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:15,040
an owner is planning to sell. Third, the applicant obviously has no interest in preserving the

1387
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:20,740
heritage of this area. Mr. Bowden and Mr. Jill Jones, I want to just correct because I'm

1388
02:01:20,740 --> 02:01:32,040
Candice Jones and Jill Jones is the applicant representing Mr. Bowden. They do not even live in

1389
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:40,840
We need areas where our growing families have homes to grow into.

1390
02:01:41,180 --> 02:01:45,620
We need a diverse range of home and lots sizes to allow the market to offer

1391
02:01:45,620 --> 02:01:48,500
and thrive stability within our community.

1392
02:01:50,460 --> 02:01:55,820
In closing, there's no overall community benefit of the proposed amendment

1393
02:01:55,820 --> 02:02:00,020
and then increase the price of the lot to a developer.

1394
02:02:00,500 --> 02:02:02,020
Housing prices will increase every year.

1395
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:04,480
everyone loses as accept applicant and developer.

1396
02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:07,660
I would ask that you deny this amendment and work with the

1397
02:02:07,660 --> 02:02:10,760
landowner to provide solutions that will enhance and benefit the

1398
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:13,240
quality of life for Lee High City's lead high

1399
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:17,000
city citizens. Please stop adjusting the general plan so

1400
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:20,140
landowners can reason their property to sell for a higher

1401
02:02:20,140 --> 02:02:23,520
price tag encouraging development that benefits the higher

1402
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:24,940
price homes in smaller sizes.

1403
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:25,940
Thank you.

1404
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:27,340
Thank you.

1405
02:02:27,340 --> 02:02:34,660
and sorry and just in closing I can I give you guys we're sponsoring a voter information

1406
02:02:34,660 --> 02:02:39,620
night as the Lehigh City Council and Skyrim and we would invite you to come.

1407
02:02:46,170 --> 02:02:55,030
Members there representing the proposition 11 yes okay yeah I heard Skyrim. Skyrim and Lehigh

1408
02:02:55,030 --> 02:02:58,610
Councils are both combining. Next comment.

1409
02:03:05,630 --> 02:03:08,310
Hi my name is Ashley Frampton and I live in the same

1410
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:15,990
overhead as Candice Jones. My property doesn't back up to the property in question. But I

1411
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:23,370
do want to speak to some of the points that she made, did owe to everything specifically that

1412
02:03:23,370 --> 02:03:29,970
it doesn't match with the area. This area of Lehigh, as you may know, is full of half-acre

1413
02:03:29,970 --> 02:03:34,290
lots, all of them, the areas have been zoned as the LDR.

1414
02:03:36,210 --> 02:03:40,910
And I think that's for a reason, because we need a variety of neighborhoods.

1415
02:03:41,010 --> 02:03:44,650
We need neighborhoods that are half-acre lots, that people can grow into.

1416
02:03:45,070 --> 02:03:51,070
And we need neighborhoods that are zoned for LDR, so that families can have lower price options.

1417
02:03:51,610 --> 02:03:55,610
And this is not that area for an LDR.

1418
02:03:55,610 --> 02:04:01,530
I also wanted to speak to some of the infrastructure of that area.

1419
02:04:03,530 --> 02:04:08,230
1,500 north, which lines up to the property, has really terrible traffic.

1420
02:04:08,430 --> 02:04:12,550
The infrastructure in that area is not keeping up with the pace of the development,

1421
02:04:12,730 --> 02:04:16,030
especially with the exchange neighborhood that's just for their west,

1422
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:21,970
which is all very low density, or sorry, low density housing in that area.

1423
02:04:21,970 --> 02:04:25,610
So, adding more homes into this neighborhood,

1424
02:04:27,810 --> 02:04:34,970
I think would just add to the issues of traffic in that area, especially since the infrastructure hasn't kept up.

1425
02:04:36,230 --> 02:04:37,750
So, those were kind of my main points.

1426
02:04:38,030 --> 02:04:38,450
Thank you.

1427
02:04:38,690 --> 02:04:42,830
And I would hope that you would oppose this agenda item.

1428
02:04:43,090 --> 02:04:43,630
Thank you.

1429
02:04:54,990 --> 02:04:56,690
Mark Platt, I'm new to the area.

1430
02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:59,430
I just moved in about two weeks ago, 28-32.

1431
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:59,970
You

1432
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:14,100
Last week for Park Road, we moved into the area because of the half acre lots. We had room to grow, do things, put in different landscaping, all sorts of different options that we have there.

1433
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:21,060
Not sure that I would have moved into the area if I would have known that it could possibly have.

1434
02:05:21,060 --> 02:05:27,900
Smaller lots involved everything the lady to ladies in front of me said I agree with one hundred percent

1435
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:35,000
I'm not as well burst as she gives and her verbative chair pair, but I just wanted to be known that again

1436
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:36,120
I'm new to the neighborhood

1437
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:40,100
We love the neighborhood. We love the home

1438
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:44,700
I haven't met any of my neighbors yet. That's how new we are

1439
02:05:44,700 --> 02:05:50,240
But I figured this was a good way to do it to come here and let the neighborhood know they're not I'm with them

1440
02:05:51,060 --> 02:05:52,740
I'm sure I'm going to say hi to him on the side.

1441
02:05:53,300 --> 02:05:54,240
I'm going to say hi to him on the side.

1442
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:55,860
You guys could help me over now.

1443
02:05:57,160 --> 02:05:57,660
All right.

1444
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:59,080
Thank you for your comments.

1445
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,340
So he gave you his address.

1446
02:06:10,820 --> 02:06:11,040
Yeah.

1447
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:15,480
Hi, my name is Jared Maurerucci.

1448
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:20,040
I recently moved to the area about a year and a half ago.

1449
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,820
And during the time period that my wife and I were looking for a home,

1450
02:06:23,820 --> 02:06:26,120
we're very excited about the era because of the half era acre

1451
02:06:26,620 --> 02:06:27,060
designations.

1452
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:29,380
We spent the better part of a few years

1453
02:06:29,380 --> 02:06:31,700
looking for an area like this to live in to grow in.

1454
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,120
And as we moved in here and talking with our neighbors,

1455
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:36,120
we found that was a common theme for people

1456
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:39,660
that moved this area to have lots of space for children

1457
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:42,720
for the to the employee industries that can grow and do

1458
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:45,560
hobby farms to have the space to be able to grow.

1459
02:06:46,300 --> 02:06:50,580
And as we moved here, we soon became a little disappointed

1460
02:06:50,580 --> 02:06:55,040
pointed with the amount of traffic and high amount of,

1461
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:56,980
yeah, I guess I say traffic that's going through the area,

1462
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:58,080
especially on the 1500 North.

1463
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,340
As someone that takes his son, his two-year son,

1464
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,660
on a bike near the Arizona Bay down those areas,

1465
02:07:03,160 --> 02:07:05,440
it's disappointing to see how fast cars go

1466
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:07,280
and how much traffic goes there.

1467
02:07:07,540 --> 02:07:14,320
So I am in opposition to designated as to low-density designation there.

1468
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:18,260
I agree everything agree with everything they can as it shared

1469
02:07:18,260 --> 02:07:20,200
because one of the things I do have a concern

1470
02:07:20,200 --> 02:07:24,020
about is while a state, they could sell the 0.38

1471
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:26,660
precise lots, there's nothing in the proposition

1472
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:28,960
that say they can't go down to 0.8.

1473
02:07:29,220 --> 02:07:30,680
If they're to sell, they're a different developer,

1474
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:32,620
increasing the profits for the seller.

1475
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:34,680
And so I am an opposition to that.

1476
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:36,120
I love the area, and I hope I can continue

1477
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:39,060
to have it as an area where people can have hobby

1478
02:07:39,060 --> 02:07:40,260
for us, have open spaces.

1479
02:07:40,820 --> 02:07:43,120
And the one other thing I'd bring up is we'll

1480
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:44,600
talk him up making a affordable housing.

1481
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:47,180
They mentioned that this would be an area that

1482
02:07:47,180 --> 02:07:48,440
could be around a million dollars.

1483
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:49,980
That's not a starter home.

1484
02:07:49,980 --> 02:07:53,880
designation for individuals here. So I think that's an argument. It's not very valid there.

1485
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:58,340
But thank you for your time. Thank you. Any other public comment?

1486
02:08:00,750 --> 02:08:01,910
Okay. I'll bring it back

1487
02:08:01,910 --> 02:08:08,050
up here to the council. Council. Do you have any questions for staff? The African is an

1488
02:08:08,050 --> 02:08:11,510
here of course. So I'm going to address those questions to.

1489
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:16,260
If I'm not here in any questions,

1490
02:08:16,420 --> 02:08:20,630
I'm going to go right to asking for a motion. Would somebody like to make a motion on this?

1491
02:08:20,630 --> 02:08:21,410
Mr.

1492
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:25,260
Mayor, I'll make a motion that we deny,

1493
02:08:25,420 --> 02:08:31,480
ordinate 64-2024, the Bowden General Plan Amendment on 1.5.18 acres, located

1494
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:37,640
in 1968-61 West, 9600 North, changing the land use destination from the LDRA to LDR.

1495
02:08:38,580 --> 02:08:43,960
And the findings would be listed as those stated in the Planning Commission motion,

1496
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:49,140
which I would ask to be included as the findings of fact.

1497
02:08:50,220 --> 02:08:53,640
Okay, Chris has made a motion to deny with findings.

1498
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:56,080
Do I have a second?

1499
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:56,560
Second?

1500
02:08:56,860 --> 02:08:57,320
Second.

1501
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,620
I had there any questions on the motion as stated.

1502
02:09:00,180 --> 02:09:00,760
I miss it.

1503
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:02,260
Chris, did you include DRC comments?

1504
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:04,860
No, because it fits denied.

1505
02:09:06,700 --> 02:09:07,060
Okay.

1506
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:08,940
It just, yeah.

1507
02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:13,760
The, like the, it was mentioned, DRC had some good reasons that you didn't know.

1508
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:14,680
Oh, they were recommended.

1509
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:15,800
Yeah, that's good.

1510
02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:16,520
Find you the fact.

1511
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:17,160
Okay.

1512
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:26,600
Yeah, I'll amend to include the DRC comments.

1513
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:27,540
Okay, this one.

1514
02:09:27,700 --> 02:09:28,480
This is the second stand.

1515
02:09:29,140 --> 02:09:30,060
Any further questions?

1516
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,060
Okay, this is our notes.

1517
02:09:32,260 --> 02:09:33,060
So we do go.

1518
02:09:33,180 --> 02:09:33,460
We'll call.

1519
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:34,620
I'll start with Michelle.

1520
02:09:35,420 --> 02:09:35,740
Chris.

1521
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:36,160
Yes.

1522
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:36,540
Heather.

1523
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:37,640
Paul.

1524
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:38,220
Yes.

1525
02:09:38,220 --> 02:09:38,760
And page.

1526
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:39,160
Yes.

1527
02:09:40,580 --> 02:09:40,700
All right.

1528
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,560
Item six is consideration of resolution.

1529
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:50,300
on 2024, 54, make sure you get out that pumpkin pie or whatever it was you had.

1530
02:09:50,980 --> 02:09:57,460
Okay. Resolution 2024-54, proving an agreement between Lee Hi-City and Bureau.

1531
02:09:58,520 --> 02:09:59,960
Veradis. Veradis. Veradis. Veradis. Veradis.

1532
02:10:00,630 --> 02:10:02,930
Baratoss for building and construction review.

1533
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:09,530
It's okay. I couldn't read it when I was on my desk and I was trying to pronounce it then either.

1534
02:10:09,710 --> 02:10:12,470
And I was in the room of by myself and I couldn't figure it out.

1535
02:10:12,690 --> 02:10:17,830
So anyway, in construction plan review services related to the Texas Instruments New Fabrication Plan.

1536
02:10:22,530 --> 02:10:27,870
I do know when we went back to Sherman that we met with the city and they said they could

1537
02:10:27,870 --> 02:10:33,170
not have got through all the inspections and everything back there without employing.

1538
02:10:33,290 --> 02:10:35,210
I think this firm, I think the same firm.

1539
02:10:36,230 --> 02:10:36,250
Yeah.

1540
02:10:36,250 --> 02:10:36,310
Yeah.

1541
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:36,330
Yeah.

1542
02:10:36,330 --> 02:10:39,470
I'm trying to help him page this and I'm referring to the work in the scope of work.

1543
02:10:39,630 --> 02:10:40,390
And the review of the work.

1544
02:10:40,510 --> 02:10:41,850
And what's the work in the work?

1545
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:44,850
There are just reviewing plans, right?

1546
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:46,470
I'm just sitting engaged to review plan.

1547
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:46,650
Okay.

1548
02:10:46,650 --> 02:10:46,970
Yes.

1549
02:10:47,570 --> 02:10:47,670
Yeah.

1550
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:47,850
Yeah.

1551
02:10:48,970 --> 02:10:49,370
Yeah.

1552
02:10:51,390 --> 02:10:53,010
So this is rare.

1553
02:10:53,110 --> 02:10:53,990
In fact, I don't.

1554
02:10:54,250 --> 02:10:59,150
I can't think of another time that we've had to contract out our building permit review

1555
02:10:59,150 --> 02:11:01,330
since the original micron building was built.

1556
02:11:01,430 --> 02:11:02,590
That was when I first started.

1557
02:11:03,370 --> 02:11:07,230
But we had hired an outside company to do the plan review as well as the inspections.

1558
02:11:07,530 --> 02:11:11,930
In this case, we're going to have this company do the plan review.

1559
02:11:12,110 --> 02:11:13,610
But then we will do the inspections.

1560
02:11:13,610 --> 02:11:18,150
will have an inspector on site as the construction takes place.

1561
02:11:18,710 --> 02:11:25,590
But yeah, this is such a large set of plans that would have taken a long time and it would

1562
02:11:25,590 --> 02:11:26,750
have plugged up our system.

1563
02:11:27,050 --> 02:11:32,070
So we figured this was the most efficient way to do it and the company that we're hiring

1564
02:11:32,070 --> 02:11:34,790
has a lot of experience with the tech industry.

1565
02:11:35,650 --> 02:11:36,170
They know tech.

1566
02:11:36,170 --> 02:11:37,930
They're on a Houston, but they weren't on the level.

1567
02:11:39,410 --> 02:11:39,450
Yeah.

1568
02:11:40,210 --> 02:11:47,450
Anyway, so we're hoping to get this resolution approved so that we can move forward and

1569
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:53,570
ship the work off to them to review the plans and then when they're done, we'll still charge the fees and

1570
02:11:53,570 --> 02:11:57,270
then like I said, we'll take it through the rest of the inspection process.

1571
02:11:57,870 --> 02:12:02,390
Yeah, that was the one point that stuck out of my mind when we met with the city is they made it clear

1572
02:12:02,390 --> 02:12:07,590
the city administrators like we kind of done this without this other group because we just simply

1573
02:12:07,590 --> 02:12:13,750
didn't have one, the manpower, and we didn't have the technical knowledge to be able to ask the right questions.

1574
02:12:14,350 --> 02:12:16,390
So they suggest that you need to hire a firm like this.

1575
02:12:16,510 --> 02:12:18,470
The third time on ours, yeah.

1576
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:19,710
Correct, yeah.

1577
02:12:20,030 --> 02:12:24,930
Yeah, we will use the same fee that we would normally charge to pay the company.

1578
02:12:25,270 --> 02:12:26,550
And that covers it.

1579
02:12:27,390 --> 02:12:27,910
Okay, yes.

1580
02:12:27,930 --> 02:12:29,590
So this is not just Gell.

1581
02:12:29,710 --> 02:12:30,950
It's complexity, too.

1582
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:32,290
I think so.

1583
02:12:32,670 --> 02:12:37,230
Yeah, Evan Gordon has done some pretty complex commercial plan reviews,

1584
02:12:37,230 --> 02:12:39,130
But were you getting into this tech administration?

1585
02:12:39,370 --> 02:12:41,170
So I'm sure you could have figured it out,

1586
02:12:41,330 --> 02:12:43,390
but it would have been a little bit of a learning curve.

1587
02:12:44,410 --> 02:12:45,970
So these guys will jump right in.

1588
02:12:46,290 --> 02:12:48,250
And I think they have a really quick turnaround,

1589
02:12:48,510 --> 02:12:50,630
which is what TI was interested in as well.

1590
02:12:51,890 --> 02:12:53,830
How many of you have been up to the TI?

1591
02:12:53,950 --> 02:12:56,210
Have you been to the facility at all the manufacturing?

1592
02:12:56,690 --> 02:12:57,910
I don't know if you haven't.

1593
02:12:58,050 --> 02:13:01,470
And we ought to arrange, have there been a problem?

1594
02:13:01,490 --> 02:13:02,650
I'm sure you haven't.

1595
02:13:02,850 --> 02:13:06,430
We need to arrange another tour because it's pretty fascinating.

1596
02:13:06,430 --> 02:13:13,390
the operation they have there essentially be in a pastor cost it makes a ton of sense.

1597
02:13:15,150 --> 02:13:19,610
Well we want somebody there knowing the right questions to ask and what to look for.

1598
02:13:19,970 --> 02:13:20,730
So no, I.

1599
02:13:21,690 --> 02:13:24,150
Okay, I'll take a motion on nine number six.

1600
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:30,930
Some of our move that we approve resolution 2024-54 which is an agreement between

1601
02:13:30,930 --> 02:13:36,630
city and bureau veritas for building a construction plan review services related to the Texas Instruments

1602
02:13:36,630 --> 02:13:43,410
new application plant as presented. I'm a motion to approve by Paul. Do I have a second?

1603
02:13:43,470 --> 02:13:51,270
And a second by page with a question? Sorry, I should have asked the court. You said they

1604
02:13:51,270 --> 02:13:54,970
worked with Texas Instruments before. There's no conflict of interest or anything like that. I mean,

1605
02:13:55,070 --> 02:14:00,910
they're not like. No, no. They're independent companies. They just have done

1606
02:14:00,910 --> 02:14:07,190
other buildings that Texas Instruments has built. So, yeah, they're not with Texas Instruments.

1607
02:14:07,950 --> 02:14:10,010
Yeah, thank you. All right, that's all. Yeah, thank you. Good question.

1608
02:14:11,190 --> 02:14:17,090
Good question. Okay, any other questions on the motion? Okay. Once again, this resolution,

1609
02:14:17,550 --> 02:14:24,510
I'm going to start with the Chris. Yes, Heather. Yes. Paul. Yes. Page. Yes. Michelle. Yes. Okay.

1610
02:14:25,410 --> 02:14:32,330
That passes, as I mentioned, we need to have an executive session to discuss real estate.

1611
02:14:33,700 --> 02:14:34,420
And litigation.

1612
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:36,020
Yeah, real estate litigation.

1613
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:39,120
Can I have a motion on that?

1614
02:14:39,140 --> 02:14:39,820
Oh, thank you.

1615
02:14:39,880 --> 02:14:40,220
Got it.

1616
02:14:40,220 --> 02:14:41,040
Yeah, there we go.

1617
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:49,840
Mr. Mayor, I'm going to go to a closed executive session to discuss the litigation.

1618
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:54,480
I'm heading to your reasonable eminent litigation and purchase exchange at least real property.

1619
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:56,560
I have a motion to have a second.

1620
02:14:56,700 --> 02:14:57,440
I'll second that.

1621
02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:59,300
And a second of those in favor say aye.

1622
02:14:59,340 --> 02:14:59,600
Bye.

1623
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,020
Any opposed? Okay, let's go to that conference room right behind us.