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[0:00] This, and see, I don't know where that's not working. Hello, testing.
[6:30] So,
[7:50] I bet we'll hear it on this in a second.
[8:25] So, those that are here, well, come and doesn't look like we have any public hearing, but that's okay.
[8:31] We got a number of presentations, but we're here going to start.
[8:35] We're going to start out with a word of prayer, and I asked Heather if she would do that.
[8:44] Our dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for the opportunity we have to be here together as a council and be able to serve the great city of Lehigh.
[8:52] Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for the blessings that we have and for the opportunities that we have to live here and
[8:59] this state in this nation. We ask the Father to have thy spirit to be with us that we can be inspired and we can be
[9:05] thoughtful in the things that we do and that we can
[9:08] listen to those who have concerns with the open mind.
[9:12] Heavenly Father, please be with
[9:14] our first responders and those who
[9:17] Service that they can be protected and kept safe from harm.
[9:21] We'll be farther and we'll think for all of our blessings.
[9:23] We'll be safe soon.
[9:24] We'll be safe soon.
[9:25] As
[9:29] a matter of roll call, all our city council members are present tonight.
[9:36] So that moves us to item two.
[9:38] The parks master plan update has been postponed.
[9:43] Again,
[9:46] hopefully just keeps getting better.
[9:49] So we will not have item 2.1.
[9:51] Oh, both of them speak to that mayor.
[9:53] Oh, sorry, they're hoping in December.
[9:55] Oh, we'll be back for that.
[9:56] All right,
[9:59] we hope so.
[10:00] 2. Before I forget, we do have to have an executive session and we're probably going to put that at the end of the meeting tonight.
[10:10] That's what we surprisingly have time after pre-council, but I don't know that we will.
[10:17] Okay, item 2.2 is the discussion of draft, bike and pedestrian plan.
[10:25] So a draft bike is that when you ride right close behind somebody?
[10:28] Okay, I'm going to record it.
[10:30] All right,
[10:35] now this is always your guys' favorite thing to talk about, so that's why I'm here.
[10:41] So today we're just, mostly I want to talk about the vision and goals, but just as a quick update,
[10:47] we're doing this fine in-house, that's why it takes so long that we are slowly,
[10:51] but surely making progress.
[10:53] We're currently working on a text draft and working on the final map and everything.
[10:58] Let's see.
[11:04] Here we go.
[11:06] So yeah, we're going through drafting the plan.
[11:09] We're kind of doing it as a team member.
[11:11] Our hope is to have the tech straf done by the end of the year.
[11:15] We'll see how that goes.
[11:16] Things have just been busy.
[11:18] Always doing the best we can to keep it going.
[11:21] But we specifically want to talk about vision goals.
[11:24] And kind of where this will establish kind of the next five to 10 years
[11:28] of what we'd like to do with the plan.
[11:31] So a lot of these decision and goals come back
[11:33] I'm primarily from feedback from public outreach that we've done.
[11:37] We've done surveys, we've done this mapping exercise, done in-person community workshops.
[11:44] I need to even one-on-one meetings, a lot of community members.
[11:47] Then we've done the goal-sitting exercise with the on-equestion and the council.
[11:51] I know not everyone was able to participate, so this is just kind of coming out from the feedback
[11:56] we have heard.
[11:58] We also have our steering committee, which involves a lot of city staff.
[12:02] And kind of like I mentioned, these are these goals are oriented towards the next five to 10 years where the most support things we should be working on
[12:10] So the two things we mostly heard coming out of all the feedback was safety
[12:15] It was number one concern and then connectivity was kind of this number two that was coming up
[12:21] So a lot of the goals tend to go around these two things
[12:24] And you can see that right image there the steering committee and those were able to
[12:30] attend the Planning Commission Council.
[12:33] We've got to put this exercise,
[12:35] putting dots on some of those.
[12:36] We've got a bunch of draft goals, potentially not just
[12:38] doing stuff all over, and then we have seven goals today
[12:42] we'll go over there once that kind of came out on top.
[12:46] So first, just the vision that came out from everything was
[12:49] that Lehigh will be safe and comfortable for families and
[12:52] individuals of all ages and abilities to walk by
[12:54] and roll to their desired destinations.
[12:58] And I think that all ages and abilities really kind of ties in closely with this idea of creating
[13:04] family-centered community, so we really want to make sure anybody can get around
[13:09] safely.
[13:10] So, goal number one is to update development code and design standard requirements.
[13:14] We've done a little bit of this so far with engineering and public works, but do some
[13:19] updates towards design requirements that we all can get on board with.
[13:23] some of them that we've done are like the curb extensions on site streets and for private
[13:27] streets who've done these what we call continuous crossings.
[13:31] But continue to look at that and see what we can do to ensure more comfort and safety
[13:34] with the way things are designed.
[13:37] Going over two that came out was adding 20% of the missing sidewalks.
[13:41] I was hoping to have an idea of what that's going to look like.
[13:44] I'll have to come back to you guys with that.
[13:47] But what is that going to look like?
[13:49] What number or what amount of sidewalks is that going to be for city?
[13:51] And this is mostly for the collector road kind of system so like this is 11th west right here, so obviously there's no sidewalks and both sides of the road once you hit that fence there
[14:03] Go through the power department's been awesome working with us on this so far but what kind of came out
[14:09] All the comments was in the next 5 10 years maybe get 25% of our trails with lighting on them. This would just be the trails that aren't along roadways that already have lighting
[14:20] It's like this image here, this is actually a trail that we're going to get some funding on.
[14:26] From our station, but part of these proposals are to put lighting in with them to help with year-round ability to have safer trails and visibility, but also in the later hours.
[14:39] The fourth goal, this really gets that connectivity, but it's to connect key destinations like schools and transit downtown.
[14:47] There's a lot of opportunity missed opportunity right now, but not having downtown connected, but also looking at connections to neighboring communities, so this really gets you after focusing.
[15:00] Other than what development started building, but focusing our efforts on making these connections.
[15:07] Kind of tied to that is looking, this was kind of a percentage of the total build-out from here.
[15:14] But looking at additional 11 miles of pay trails and additional 12 miles of onstreet by facilities in the next five to 10 years.
[15:21] Now, this may be a little bit of a low bar in some ways because in the last five years, we've actually got 19 miles of paved trails and the last 10 years we've had 29.
[15:31] So 11 miles, actually, might be a little low.
[15:34] It might happen naturally just from development.
[15:37] One of our plank communities are putting a lot of trails in.
[15:40] So we can think about that.
[15:41] We're setting goals.
[15:42] We've already met.
[15:43] I like it though.
[15:45] Yeah.
[15:45] This is a lot of growth.
[15:45] You guys want to look at it.
[15:47] Sounds like butter doesn't help.
[15:48] Yeah.
[15:49] I like low bar.
[15:52] We can always overachieve and feel a good start.
[15:56] As far as on-street stuff, the last five years we've had about 4.1 miles and in the last 10 years
[16:01] we've had about 7.6 miles.
[16:03] We'll say almost two miles of it is the project we did on seven south there and fifth west.
[16:09] So that was about a couple miles of that.
[16:11] I will say that on-street stuff is not all created equal because some of it is quite hairy
[16:16] to write along in my opinion.
[16:19] So we'll also want to look at the design and make sure it kind of all ages and abilities friendly.
[16:26] The sixth goal that came out is to designate specific areas is kind of the district district.
[16:31] So that might involve looking at urban design, but also maybe goes beyond her typical street standard and certain areas like maybe downtown.
[16:38] Thanksgiving point but certain areas that kind of provide more of a pedestrian focus in those areas.
[16:45] So that was a kind of came out in the feedback.
[16:49] And then the last goal is to paint murals in some of our undercrossings.
[16:54] The one on the left is just one of our Merdeck Canal Trail crossings.
[16:58] The one on the right is just one up in daybreak that they had painted as an example of that.
[17:02] So we have about 1,300 crossings at the moment.
[17:05] There are this kind of tunnel style.
[17:07] So we were to say 25 percent.
[17:09] We've got three of them in the next five to ten years.
[17:13] anything we look at. The one thing we would have to look at is they're
[17:16] very ownership on some of these. We have to work with the county or you dot on
[17:20] some of them. So that's the goals I present us to you to think about if you don't
[17:25] like these. Definitely let me know and we can look at tweaking or changing some of
[17:30] the goals. There's something that you're like, you know, I really think this is
[17:32] four in the next five ten years. You know, shaped me by come on like let's get
[17:36] that in there. But anyway, I feel like these, you know, kind of what I would look
[17:40] This, you know, but these goals, you know, you guys slack them and get this adopted in the plan.
[17:46] Probably going to come into the council saying, hey, here's some of the steps we can do to implement.
[17:51] So I just want to present that to you.
[17:53] Yeah, he might, I really like this one.
[17:57] I know that I've gone around with Rob Craig a lot where he, he and volunteers go to these underpasses and clean them up from tagging and stuff.
[18:08] Oh yeah, there's apparently a lot of tagging that goes on in these and I'm just we
[18:16] probably don't know the answer right now, but I'm just concerned you know you do
[18:19] something like that that's really pretty but someone comes long and tags how how that
[18:24] cleans off or whatnot right now they just take great paint and pan over the tag which
[18:28] could be a shame to see something like that that kind of investment just get
[18:35] It doesn't make it right, but yeah, yeah, I can't I don't know if I have the answer for that either
[18:39] I will say these there's three in a row in daybreak. This is one of them and they used to get tagged sometimes
[18:44] It was luckily family friendly stuff like drawing sponge Bob in there. Oh, some of the other stuff
[18:50] But ever since they painted them nobody's come in really done anything to them
[18:54] So I'm not to say someone may not in the future but it's been about three years now still
[18:59] We can get it, and hopefully tagging has been done so.
[19:02] Okay, I was going to say there's research that's been done that shows that painting actually
[19:06] discourages the tagging, yeah, I think you're pretty good stuff, so maybe they appreciate
[19:12] it and they'll go tag somewhere else, rather than go on top of some of the else's artwork.
[19:16] Yeah, yeah, until they're all painted, then they don't have a choice.
[19:21] Well, there's always a place on painted somewhere, something to find.
[19:26] Yeah,
[19:29] I love all the concentration of the plan of getting from destination A to destination B.
[19:35] And the 25% completion along the roadways I think is a great step to make sure that it is, you know, people mover and they choose that option of transportation.
[19:45] I'm wondering if we could incorporate something along more recreation, I'll give you an example of what I mean.
[19:50] Um, and you know where I'm talking about because along the wastage, I could Jillian years ago, we divided two loss in that neighborhood.
[20:00] That we're half acre and we took them down to quarter acre to do a density bonus, basically, for a developer to set aside land along the wastage over just west of the railroad tracks.
[20:11] That eventually was going to connect from Lee High Elementary out to Willow Creek through neighborhoods, not necessarily along roads.
[20:19] It was more recreational feeling, you know, like you go off or Sunday bike ride with the family.
[20:23] When I think Sunday bike ride with the family, I don't think along 11th West.
[20:28] I think more along, you know, a nice me under in stream or something.
[20:32] So I love it if we could maybe incorporate a goal that focuses a little bit on that as well
[20:36] because I know we have areas all over the city where we have that set aside as land that we
[20:43] require the use of for potential future trails and not all of them are on the way to somewhere.
[20:50] But it would be nice to look at those too.
[20:52] Yeah, absolutely.
[20:53] We can do that.
[20:54] One thing we'd like to do is part of this as well as create a prioritization plan.
[20:59] So based on these goals and we can look at the plan itself.
[21:04] Here's the full buildout plan, but then here's kind of this 5 to 10 year plan.
[21:08] These are the projects that we want to go after first.
[21:10] So we can kind of have an idea of what it's going to look like on the grant.
[21:13] So it includes some of those connections and I think we can tie that into the whole prioritization plan.
[21:18] We just have peace and peace and peace and you know it and you know where's the money and it's never there
[21:23] And but it'd be so nice to have that whole thing. Yeah, absolutely
[21:28] I think I'd be great
[21:31] Let's see I have do I have a couple more minutes or should I?
[21:35] Just as part of it one of the first chapters we have in the plan is just talking about what we do have
[21:41] And like you said page there's a lot of disconnect with a lot of this so take this with a green cell
[21:46] But so in Lehigh we have about 60.8 miles of bike lanes, we have 1.8 miles now separated
[21:54] bikeways, and about 17 miles of trails, it's just actually pretty impressive, but there
[21:59] is a good 17 or 72.
[22:01] 72.
[22:02] Okay, so a lot of this, you know, you've got the Murdoch Canal Trail and the Real Trail.
[22:05] We've got some pretty good projects in the place, a lot of those disconnected, especially
[22:10] on the west side, so it's not entirely usable at the moment, so perhaps part of what we
[22:16] These identify these gaps, maybe they're not that expensive to finish them up, that really
[22:21] ties it into the network, but has been impressive to see where we're at.
[22:26] So paved trails about nine miles are HOA's, 12 miles, the county's owns nine miles
[22:32] you doffs done, about 42 miles of those are Lehigh trails, and then as far as the Alistair
[22:39] facilities go, you doff is about a 0.3 miles to our county has a short little section and
[22:44] apart and then the high got about nine miles of those. This was just interesting. This is the trend
[22:52] of what we've been seeing and it's kind of interesting to see how it correlates with different things.
[22:58] So if you can see the Jordan River Parkway was built back in the early 90s, 2000 north,
[23:03] you dot the bike lanes and the trails on that. We're not canal trail got built and then the
[23:08] tech corridor, including lots of there are some of these big projects that have really boosted
[23:12] are network, but you can see over time there's that trend going upwards. I think we're heading
[23:17] in a great direction with what we're doing. So I think that's where that partization
[23:21] plan can really help us to fill in the gaps and really get network that's really usable.
[23:27] And then I just wanted to put a note that cuts safety is such a high priority. We're looking
[23:32] at, I don't know if any other cities out there that have quite done this way yet, but we're
[23:38] proactive safety analysis that is looking at types of users on our street network with speeds
[23:43] they're going on the types of conflict points but really looking at sort of reacting to crashes
[23:49] everywhere we want to look at the proactive and understand the risk potential of our road
[23:52] weight network and not just for active transportation but for all users. So that's even going to be
[23:58] for different types of conflicts for car drivers. But anyway we're not going to get into this because
[24:04] it does get a little technical but I just want to put it out there you guys that this is something
[24:08] that we're looking at with this whole idea of increasing safety in the city.
[24:13] So, with that, there's any other questions moving forward, but I'll make a note to get some kind of
[24:19] recreational element to it, and then come back to you guys next time for their next update on the
[24:26] plane.
[24:26] Can you give just like a really high level overview of what do the colors mean?
[24:31] Yeah, I'm generally a green's good, red's bad, but the red's dangerous.
[24:43] This is kind of assessing that risk potential. It's based on safe speeds, so there's kind of some guidance out there,
[24:49] but from FHWA and then from the signal safety principles that the Netherlands does, but they coincide really closely with those two.
[25:00] And basically they say, here's kind of the speed relating to a 10% risk, and I don't know if we'll ever completely get rid of risk, but we have to look at keeping that risk potential low.
[25:12] So at this time, as it maps out, how many levels above that suggested six feet are we? So if you're kind of one level above, it's that yellow color, if you're two or more levels above, it comes out red.
[25:23] So, what you see are like little pockets of red, that's basically where we have no sidewalks.
[25:26] If you have no sidewalks and you're having to walk amongst cars, then really cars need to go really
[25:31] slow, but really the answer would be providing some sidewalks.
[25:35] So, I'll don't ride your bike up to Texas Instruments and it's what I actually am.
[25:39] Yeah, I'm going to go on, that's the 90's, that's what I'm going to do.
[25:42] But, one example is, you know, I started 92, I lost some free high speeds, but for writing
[25:47] goal conflicts, for example, you really don't want to exceed 30 miles per hour, because once
[25:50] start getting over 30. T-bone crashes really start killing people. So that's one thing that
[25:56] this is going to look at. So those red roads, that's where that's risk potentials much higher.
[26:02] So. Why is microns just so? Yeah, there's some little anomalies in the thing that I've
[26:08] a lot of those don't have sidewalks on them, so it's automatically kind of. But love. So it's
[26:15] surprising enough. The three ways green because yeah, I know what it's at too. So the best is
[26:20] can deny there are high speeds, but conflict points are all managed in a way that you don't
[26:24] have, you know, writing no conflicts, but from that perspective, the freeways, it's good
[26:29] as we know how to design at this point, so. Okay. Okay.
[26:34] Mike, right? Thank you. You and Kim may be interested, and I've actually booked a biking trip
[26:40] from Brussels, Stamster, Bam, and they're like, I'm excited. I'm excited. I don't my wife
[26:45] not so much. I talked her into it. Well, she wants to like her going. I'm not going to take
[26:57] that many pictures. I got one. All right, item 2.3 is the FRA train and regulations update
[27:11] Luke is going to do that
[27:19] for me for a lot of our residents unfortunately so
[27:30] I wanted to
[27:32] update you first just on our status for fixing everything I have Z
[27:43] file here let's
[27:50] see we'll
[27:50] do this so green means we're good it's been fixed and so we really only have three locations
[27:57] outstanding. All of our legal locations have been corrected as of yesterday. The remaining ones are in
[28:06] this is in Orum. They have the same issue where the medians are high enough where the gate arms
[28:11] come in down. There's will be fixed on Thursday this week. Thanks to the use of UTA's on call
[28:20] contractor. So they're able to get through the permitting process much faster than we could.
[28:24] This one is in American fork. They'll be fixed on Wednesday.
[28:31] So the only outstanding crossing is here in Salt Lake City.
[28:37] It's 1700 South. I don't remember if we looked at this last time.
[28:43] But it's one where this commercial driveway is too close to the crossing arms by 17 feet.
[28:53] It measures 43 feet, but needs to be 60 feet, so this likely will be one of the hardest ones.
[29:01] I know I, last time I talked to Salt Lake City yesterday, they said they were looking
[29:07] into if they could close it with a gate, paint it red, you know, do emergency access only.
[29:14] What I'm learning from FRA this morning is if they do that they'll need approval back in
[29:21] Washington D.C. for them.
[29:25] They tear out the driveway, put in curving gutter,
[29:29] then the inspector can say it's good.
[29:32] So I left him a voicemail this morning, you know, urging them,
[29:34] you know, just to just to fix it and close it.
[29:38] Then they're probably not going to meet the city standard for that.
[29:40] I've only got, like, one entry.
[29:42] It has, it actually has, you know, there's four entries.
[29:45] Yeah, so it would have this one, this one and this one.
[29:48] And they could close this one right away and relocate it.
[29:51] You know, it needs to be 60 feet away from the gate arm, but I don't, I don't know what they're planning to do and they've not given me it.
[30:00] Time frame, but I think that business owner, I mean I can imagine how they're going to respond, because yep, it was already been previously approved. Right, exactly as approved by the city, why didn't the city know that they couldn't have the driveway there. Same reason we didn't know. Yep, yep.
[30:16] And the quiesons still are nothing.
[30:19] Yes, yep, unfortunately.
[30:24] And this one, I wanted to get into this calculator.
[30:28] Here's a quiesone calculator for a quiesone.
[30:32] And here's all the crossings.
[30:35] And we get to take credit.
[30:38] So here, this SSM says for supplementary safety measure.
[30:45] And because this crossing has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, railroads and because it's a 5 lane road, there's a way that we can adjust the calculations, maybe fix things and other locations, so they don't have to fix this one, but we would have to fix five other locations to make up for this one, just because of the number of railroads and because it's such a big road.
[31:13] meaning be excessively safe in other locations?
[31:17] Yes, so in the calculator, here, SSM, these are codes.
[31:23] So if it's 13, it means we have a median, and we have gate arms.
[31:27] And there's other codes for different things.
[31:34] So essentially, these ones that have no safety that are zero,
[31:38] if we could make them compliant enough that we could take credit
[31:42] for those, then we wouldn't have to take credit for this 17-South one.
[31:48] But we'd have to, like I said, we have to fix five other crossings to be able to take
[31:52] credit for it.
[31:53] And it's kind of prohibitive.
[31:58] So, can I state the obvious, just to make sure, so we improve five other locations and all
[32:06] sudden the location that the problem now becomes or is deemed safe, correct, correct, you
[32:12] know, for the quiet zone. So here's here's the important math here. So there's a risk index
[32:20] with horns and then a quiet zone risk index. So you have to show you're in the calculation
[32:28] that you're doing enough safety improvements to make it safer than it was with horns.
[32:36] It's a black box. I don't understand exactly how it works, but it's like for example
[32:43] For example, here's our Lehigh City Main Street if I modify it and
[32:51] Say, you know, we we can't say well we had a median that was too short that was fixed on Monday
[32:56] so say we can't do that then
[33:00] We can't fix it or don't want to
[33:03] Then we're in the situation where the quiet zone risk is higher than the risk with horns.
[33:09] So the option is we need to have horns back.
[33:14] Let me put that back, though, because we fixed mainstream.
[33:18] I can think of as somebody in the federal government decided to pay somebody a lot of money to come up with this calculation.
[33:26] Let's still understand how you fix another spot and make the other spot safe.
[33:32] So my question too on Main Street, can you help me understand what was done to it because I didn't see any change to it?
[33:39] So what was change?
[33:40] I saw the column so we're put up, that was good.
[33:44] Let me, what was change is median.
[33:46] The median on the east leg was too short and it needs to be 60 feet measured from the gate arm.
[33:54] It was 54 feet so they lengthened the median out.
[33:59] So do we add another cloud-end section, or do we just get rid of the cloud-end section?
[34:04] We put a cloud-end section back.
[34:06] Maybe that's why it's hard to notice.
[34:08] Yeah, because it looks similar.
[34:13] One thing that FRA suggested with this calculator is if we can improve other crossings in our quiet zone,
[34:23] For example, with the double track project coming, we can take credit for those.
[34:30] And we can increase the difference between the risk index with horns and the quiet zone risk.
[34:37] So, if in the future, we ever have another problem where one city's done so many overlays,
[34:44] their meetings aren't compliant, we can just not take credit for it anymore.
[34:48] but we have enough risk index, banked up if you will, that we stay compliant.
[34:56] They were saying your difference is really close, you should...
[35:00] I really look at adding a buffer, so I think the double track project would be good opportunity for that.
[35:11] Could the company add arms on that exit entrance there?
[35:16] Which one?
[35:17] The building in Salt Lake just put the train arms there or whatever they're called.
[35:20] They could, yeah. That's another measure. They could, I think.
[35:24] On the, yeah.
[35:30] that those arms come down. I don't know if they could do that or not. That's a good question.
[35:35] One thing they do is have four gate arms, you know, quadrant gates, so there's gates that
[35:40] come down here and here, so they have gates that come down on that exiting traffic as well,
[35:47] but I don't know if that would be a complaint either, but
[35:56] I won last thought here's, so back
[36:03] The calculator here Jordan gateway in Salt Lake City, you can see they have a 12 instead of a 13.
[36:09] That's because their medians were too short. We're not high enough.
[36:14] So they install reflectables along the top of the median.
[36:18] Well that's not 13 because 13 is median. 12 is channelizing channelization, channelizing devices.
[36:28] So we have to change this to 12.
[36:31] We're still good on our total, but I do have to send public paperwork and FRA for this change.
[36:38] And I think I've got it figured out.
[36:39] I've sent it to them to review ahead of time.
[36:44] I think it's just...
[36:45] Other than Salt Lake City, we're on pretty good shape.
[36:48] And I just haven't heard from them.
[36:55] Look, do they, in Salt Lake, do they have an incentive to fix it?
[36:58] I mean, do they have the same issue we do with residents waiting for the question?
[37:04] I think most of their crossings in our quiet zone are in industrial areas,
[37:11] but I would
[37:12] feel awful if we were the one city holding out the whole south end of the, you know,
[37:20] holding out all the other ones from having the horns come out, but yeah, their crossings
[37:25] are mostly in industrial areas.
[37:32] Let's see.
[37:33] So who have pay for that change?
[37:35] The property owner or the city?
[37:37] That's a good question.
[37:38] I think they talked about cost sharing that they would share the cost of whatever they do and
[37:43] mitigate it.
[37:47] Right?
[37:47] Is there a number that we could give for us?
[37:49] That's true.
[37:49] It's a little long.
[37:52] Yeah.
[37:52] It's a great amount.
[37:55] There's a way to like take that section and just say that's not in the quiet
[37:59] on anymore, and then it just starts further south.
[38:02] There is, but to change a quiet zone like that, you have, it requires DC approval, and
[38:11] it's a pretty much right to tell us that everything has to be compliant.
[38:16] There's like a 60-day comment period on that, and then from all the real users and communities,
[38:22] and then it has to go back to D.C. for I heard the tracksline Murray City is manages the
[38:33] quiet zone for the tracksline and they're going through that process. They're about done
[38:38] with their 60 day period. They were told they would take eight months for D.C. to go through
[38:44] their approval. So everyone I've talked to warned us do not.
[38:56] That's all I had.
[38:57] And we did have a really good long phone call with them, but none of this is, right, there hasn't
[39:05] been any accidents related to the medians, as they were.
[39:11] If we were working with the Federal Highway Administration, there would be no warrant.
[39:17] That penalizes us, but with the neuronicists, they operate under different roles.
[39:31] Item 2.4 is the warming center contribution.
[39:35] Okay, I'm going to talk about this a little bit, so you guys I think you've all seen the
[39:42] invitation volunteer at our warming centers. So these we have three in there on a rotational
[39:49] basis. We went down we met in one last week and went down it's one that's in South
[39:54] on State Street at the County Sheds down there. Nice.
[40:00] Facility. It's all been cleaned up, we've done new bathrooms. It's just a place for whether it turns cold, so people have a place to sleep at night and get warm. However, this has come to cost, we are meeting the legislative requirements that we were, we're given to us.
[40:27] I think it was two years ago, wasn't it, that we were told that we had to meet it this year.
[40:34] And some of the other counties haven't met it, we've met it.
[40:36] I've been pretty happy and actually proud of the efforts that Utah County has done.
[40:42] We've got a number of mayors on the board, I serve on that board.
[40:48] We've come a long ways.
[40:50] We've had a chance to see some really good things happen.
[40:53] I know there's actually a couple of people that have participated in those discussions that have been previously homeless, so their information has been helpful.
[41:03] The one thing here are what we need to decide, because we have not budgeted for this, the county is asking all the cities to contribute to help keep the warming centers open, you know, and with some of the supplies they need.
[41:17] The number is high, there is a cost related to keeping these things open and properly supplied.
[41:29] The county had suggested that we, that each city put up $1,000 for every thousand population.
[41:36] So basically a dollar per person.
[41:39] It's going to hit some of the larger cities a lot more than some of the smaller cities.
[41:43] I mean it's going to make a big difference.
[41:45] I asked our County Commissioner and Brandon Gordon, and he's really good about he said,
[41:50] Brandon, first of all, it's not in the budget year.
[41:52] It isn't going to be in the budget year for almost anybody in the county, I know.
[41:57] So to just suggest we can just come up with that money that can't happen without a modification to our spending and to our budget.
[42:07] But I suggest we also need to have some kind of influence.
[42:10] We can't just, you know, turn over the money and say this is for this reason.
[42:15] So I've asked him to prepare our name for us.
[42:17] That has started a more in-depth conversation at the county about what is a more reasonable
[42:22] way to pay for that.
[42:26] I told him our population was right around 90,000, but of course that's going to be kind
[42:30] of expensive for us.
[42:32] And it's Council, I'd like to know your thoughts because I do think a contribution is warranted.
[42:37] The question is what the U.S. accounts will feel is appropriate and I'm happy to take any comments
[42:46] here back to them as we discuss how we're going to, you know, how they plan on doing this,
[42:50] but for the first year it's not going to be in anybody's budget. But the outstanding debt is there,
[42:57] so we'll be there. It's volunteer. This year, the first year is voluntary. But even if it's voluntary
[43:04] would need some kind of advice, I believe,
[43:09] only. So thoughts.
[43:11] What are, do they know their costs? I mean.
[43:16] Help them. They have some pretty good estimates, you know, from years past, what they've done.
[43:21] Provost City actually was, was proactive.
[43:26] And Provost City handled most of the homeless situation in the past, but the legislation
[43:31] is a whole county needs to be involved, so we're all involved.
[43:36] I can't tell you exactly what
[43:38] that is, but I can get that number.
[43:48] With you, with the invoice and seeing what it's going to.
[43:51] If it's, you know, I'd like to see this be run by volunteers.
[43:54] I don't want to be paid for salaries.
[43:56] It's like I want to make sure that it goes to support the, you know,
[44:00] like you're talking about the necessary items.
[44:02] And I don't know that centers are, the buildings themselves are being,
[44:07] you know, given or they're rented or how that all works.
[44:10] So we have two or two of my churches.
[44:13] Okay.
[44:13] A church center is one of the county building, okay, or one of the county buildings.
[44:18] It's a building that they use for storage of some sort, they've emptied it out of the storage and they're using that for one of the warm centers.
[44:24] The red warehouse?
[44:26] Yeah.
[44:26] The red one.
[44:27] And the Genesis project is that the other church besides the seven tables?
[44:30] Yes.
[44:31] So those are the two.
[44:34] But give me an idea, because we will be having a discussion on this.
[44:38] So I'd like to know about where your thoughts are if you feel that's too much.
[44:42] you know, what's more appropriate number, help me formulate an argument here on this discussion
[44:50] and say, where do we need to be?
[44:51] Well, is there also where we can have contributions from our community if it is items?
[44:58] Or is it just, I guess?
[45:03] So right now I think what they're looking for, they're looking for blankets. So there's a list of things. So blankets are important. I don't know that they really want sleep and bags. It might be, you know, that might be helpful. I know there's some food because a lot of people come in, it's warming up. People come in, it's cold night. They're probably going to want something hot to drink, and maybe something hot to eat. So, so there's going to be some food purchase.
[45:30] is involved, and I apologize. I probably should ask the question about, you know, a better
[45:34] idea with what they believe that funding estimate would be, but I'll check that out
[45:39] because I don't know what this is. Well, it's a Michelle's point. It feels kind of like,
[45:42] you know, back in PTA days, when we would say our target fundraising goal is this, and
[45:47] then we'd decide what to spend it on. Basically, they'll spend what they have.
[45:52] That's what it means. So it would be nice to know, you know, what it's like to have a target.
[45:58] It's, this is new this year, so I'll probably learn a lot through this year to find out how many responses they have.
[46:04] And this has not a place where they're going spend all day, right?
[46:07] They'll get, we actually have a box I've given to Sherry.
[46:11] She's supposed to have those out.
[46:13] Our police officers and our, I think our firemen are, they're going to receive it.
[46:17] It's just a card they can hand to somebody if they're homeless.
[46:20] Saying this is, this is how you get to the Mormon Sheriff's Center and this is the rules and that sort of thing.
[46:25] So she has those court cards, she's going to distribute it,
[46:28] put some over in the library in a few places.
[46:31] So if somebody isn't in, we'd literally
[46:32] have had people in the past go to the library
[46:34] and sit there till closing time until they have to go, right?
[46:39] So we can, you know, people do use government facilities
[46:43] and they'll stay there as long as they can
[46:45] until they're kicked out.
[46:47] So if we those cards are in that area, they go like,
[46:49] oh, here's a number, I can call, and I can get on this bus
[46:52] and I can get to the warming center.
[46:53] And all three sites, they're open, it looks to be like they rotate.
[46:57] That's rotational.
[46:59] Yeah.
[46:59] So they each have a different night that they're open.
[47:02] It seems a little hard to catch up, but I mean, I don't know.
[47:04] Well, they all have the same night of the week.
[47:08] And people aren't expected to come there and stay.
[47:11] They're expected to actually be there for the night.
[47:14] And then leave some might have jobs or other family to go to.
[47:17] They just don't have a place for the night.
[47:19] This gives them a warm place to sleep for the night.
[47:23] So Mr. Mayor, as far as money, I'd be comfortable with something like $25,000 to
[47:29] start off with, just to give something and to get a year under the belt and see what
[47:35] the cost are, unless you come back with the, you know, they're able to give you a better
[47:41] estimate.
[47:42] What it is, what they're thinking for the next year though.
[47:44] I'm sure they'll have an estimate.
[47:45] I just don't know what that is now.
[47:46] Yeah, but I mean, I think it's worthy to do something and I think maybe a thousand dollars per, or a thousand dollars per thousand residents is maybe it's appropriate, but just hard to know that.
[48:05] So I mean, I think somewhere like 25, 35,000 to start would be an appropriate thing in my mind and then see what happens over the next year and then go from there.
[48:15] But my issue if I could is, I think you're right, if they have it, they'll spend it.
[48:20] And so it won't give us a real sense of how much it actually costs to run the warming center.
[48:25] I'm not just speaking the fact that it's neat, and I think we should help out it where we can.
[48:29] But if we had a sense of, okay, this is what we did this last year, we barely got by.
[48:35] It would be good to have 10% more as a buffer or something like that.
[48:39] You know, the question about whether is it, you know, is it good to think the need?
[48:42] know is it, you know, blankets, towels, you know, things like that, you know, there's maybe
[48:48] there's a way to involve the community through like an Amazon wish list or something like
[48:51] that where we could, you know, start soliciting help from the general public in advance and,
[48:57] you know, maybe it's something that a family says, hey, yeah, I'm going to chip in a couple
[49:00] hundred dollars and contribute to this Amazon wish list and you just kind of check off the
[49:04] items that are needed. So I think there's one we need more information than two, I think there's
[49:10] that we can potentially get creative or the county or, you know, that's running it,
[49:14] could get creative to let those that want to participate participate.
[49:20] I had suggested that we engage early high-service organization, because I think they can be really
[49:28] helpful.
[49:28] Right.
[49:28] Now, the problem is, they're not getting volunteers either, so that's another problem.
[49:33] So if we get volunteers, that's of course going to save a lot of money alone.
[49:36] And by the way, I'd encourage everybody here to maybe take a night and volunteer.
[49:42] and they're training involved. There's some stuff involved in it.
[49:46] Well, online training, but they separate the nights and three shifts.
[49:50] And I'm sure they have reasons why they do that.
[49:53] But it seems like it would be easier if you could just do a whole night.
[49:55] So, you know, 4.30 a.m. to 8 a.m.
[50:00] Yeah, I think they probably think everybody needs to sleep at some point.
[50:03] Yeah, I think they probably think everybody needs to sleep at some point.
[50:03] Yeah, that's all 30.
[50:04] I, for my schedule, my family, be easier to just say.
[50:08] Can't you just take two shifts?
[50:10] Yeah, I don't know if we can do that.
[50:11] Yeah, I don't know if we can do that.
[50:13] So, but I encourage you to just respond to that.
[50:16] I'm hoping to get out over there or something.
[50:19] I know our commissioner, or at least two of the commissioners,
[50:21] did I think last weekend when it got cold.
[50:25] So, you know, as a scholar was there and, uh,
[50:31] Commissioner Gordon, we're both over there one night,
[50:36] so yeah,
[50:40] from some of the reports I have, it's really a good experience for people to go do that.
[50:46] Just pulling this up while you're talking and they do have an Amazon wish list.
[50:50] And that I'm seeing this and seeing a lot of opportunities that you set for just serve and be able to get different community groups involved.
[50:57] So we can help with, of course it's like I want to do what we can to make sure like these items or things that they need gloves and blankets and food items so that that's something that I can always get behind but I also know that we have such an amazing community that we it'd be great to tap into too to help with it.
[51:17] Yeah, we posted our social media, you've probably seen that we did get a pretty good response off the bat but it's something we're going to have to keep posting it people you know engaged in it.
[51:29] Yeah, I kind of want to know what the cost are, what they're going towards.
[51:35] And if they want kind of a formula to bite it up between the cities, I'm not against
[51:41] that because then it won't fall on just a few, you know, which it probably could if it's
[51:47] just left up to whatever you want to give kind of thing.
[51:52] But also I, you know, want to make it fair not over burdensome for cities.
[51:59] That's a lot of money.
[52:01] So I guess I'm saying I'd like more information.
[52:05] Yeah.
[52:05] When do you need to?
[52:07] No, no.
[52:08] Obviously until I'd ask for an invoice, our statement, because I'm like, I don't even know how to deal with it.
[52:14] I was hoping to get something like that before I brought it to you guys.
[52:17] That started them talking about it, and so I don't think they're even sure they're trying
[52:23] to figure it out.
[52:25] So I think doing it by population, there's some sense to that, but I don't think it needs
[52:31] to just be that.
[52:33] I think it has to be, you know, maybe part of that, and then just there should be a base
[52:38] fee, and then also maybe a based on population, something like that kind of a combination.
[52:43] And I think a contribution is important.
[52:47] I think this is something that we're just going to have to do.
[52:51] And the future will be prepared for this, because it is, you know, what is a growing concern.
[52:58] So, but the thing is, is operating a warming center, you have people come in and really meet
[53:03] at it,
[53:06] right?
[53:06] Do you know what the legislation is on?
[53:09] You said the first year's voluntary is, are there requirements after that, or?
[53:13] So that had nothing to do with the legislation, the first year of the payers voluntary, because it's not in our budget and they know it's not in any budget.
[53:23] I mean, we had the cost, there's the state is funding certain things, right?
[53:29] So we're getting some money from the legislators to do this, but they're going to have to maintain this operation.
[53:37] We'll probably get money. I'm sure every year from the state.
[53:40] So let me let me get some numbers. I'll see if if that commissioners have been able to drill down on some on a more reasonable amount
[53:48] that they're requesting. And then but I think I'm a little uncomfortable with it just being just by population.
[53:58] I don't know why. Maybe it's I just say maybe it's because it's 90 thousand dollar pelth for us.
[54:05] Right, and there's a few other cities are about the same, and I think that makes sense to a certain extent, but I also think a base fee is also probably pretty important.
[54:15] I think you're right there.
[54:16] There probably should be a base fee, and then similar to how we do the power, where there's a base fee for that.
[54:21] Everyone pays your respect of your population size and then have something proportional on top of that, because at the end of the day it probably is somewhat proportional on the fact that these warming center locations are not in our city.
[54:35] Is kind of a benefit because I know a lot of people get worked up about homeless, you know, populations and whatnot, so I think there's some value for us there, but I like your idea of kind of a face contribution, kind of a minimum amount that everyone does and then the balance is somewhat proportional.
[54:52] Yeah, I see it that way. The other option is to do is to do a staged fee, so depending on your population it says, you know, the next step is...
[55:00] The next stage is as much. So that might be kind of an appropriate proportional. Yeah, if you give it a fair field and see it or for it, you know, the debate that they're going to have our time coming up with a base feet. So it may be if you're population is under a thousand, maybe you don't have a base feet, right?
[55:20] Okay. I'll bring that information back to him. That is helpful. It helps me understand about where we'd like to be.
[55:29] So I appreciate your comments on that. Okay. Item 2.5 is the 2300 West design. Brad, you're going to.
[55:53] Good evening, Mayor. And council members. Let me go ahead and see if we
[56:14] can get care.
[56:23] There we go.
[56:34] Oh, there we go. Thank you.
[56:38] All right. So, if you remember last month about the same time, we talked a little bit about
[56:48] 2300 West, but the reasoning for a lot of the design that we had picked.
[56:53] And we talked a little bit in particular about the design between 300 north and 900 north.
[56:59] So a couple things that I would like to talk about today.
[57:02] First of all, I do want to give,
[57:12] I do want to talk a little bit about construction
[57:15] timing.
[57:16] I think I did the same thing last month.
[57:19] There have been a few changes.
[57:21] For the most part, the contractor is still planning on being completed with construction
[57:27] from 1,500 northward to 2,150.
[57:30] 50. The challenge that we've run into this month was that we cannot get steal for the
[57:39] 2150 North signal. All the bases are in. Everything will be done, but we cannot get steal.
[57:47] Typically, we can get steal within 100 days of an order. You don't know that this was kind of challenging.
[57:54] So they said go directly to our supplier.
[57:57] So we made that order on June 25th.
[58:03] We're about 110 days now.
[58:06] And we're being told that we're probably looking at 200 days
[58:09] before we can get steel for the 2115 or signal.
[58:13] So in essence, it's looking like the contractual we've done with all of his work
[58:19] by let's say Thanksgiving or 1st of December.
[58:22] However, we won't be able to make the signal live at 2150 North until probably February.
[58:31] That's if the contractor, or if our supplier, comes through with this deal as they've promised.
[58:40] We have had some challenges with some of the signals, for example, the hawk signal on the North Point Elementary.
[58:46] We're using borrowed heads from you.
[58:48] So signal supplies are, it's a tough supply chain issue, so we're trying to work through that.
[58:55] I've talked with Luke about the 2150 North signal.
[58:59] We still feel like that we will still open up 2100 North.
[59:04] Sorry, 2300 West as planned, even without the signal.
[59:09] The signal will stay stopped controlled from the subdivisions to the east and west like it has been in the past.
[59:15] But anyway, so that's a little bit of a change in the timing, not to any fault of us or the contractor, we just literally can't get steel.
[59:25] So that is a change. Moving forward, we are planning on the contractor has chosen to pull off the project, and start the structure back in the early spring of 2025, with an anticipated construction completion of the fall of 2025.
[59:44] Maybe just to help you understand a little bit as to why part of the reasons why he chooses
[59:50] to do that.
[59:51] It is allowed within the contract for him to pick his schedule as long as they are able
[59:59] to meet the final completion.
[1:00:01] A couple of the reasons why, after speaking with them, they've chosen to do this. First of all, the project was bid late this late in the season. For the most part, we would have hoped that this project could have been built in one construction season because we bid it late. And the reason we bid it late was we were finalizing some of the right away and we also were having a challenge getting contractors to bid the project.
[1:00:31] The contractors information we receive from them said give us two years to build this project.
[1:00:36] We can build it cheaper and we can take advantage of two construction seasons.
[1:00:43] So because we started a little bit later in 2024, you know, this construction season then when we wanted to,
[1:00:49] many of the contractors had full schedules.
[1:00:52] You know, they were booked up for most of the year.
[1:00:54] We feel very good about the work that Kenny St. Construction is done thus far this year
[1:01:01] So I guess when I go into the second note there, there are firm construct there are firm dates in the construction contract
[1:01:09] Thirdly much of the work that is anticipated
[1:01:13] Is concrete and asphalt
[1:01:15] Many of the utilities of M place they already placed the utilities between the section between third and ninth
[1:01:21] So it's kind of really waiting for concrete and asphalt.
[1:01:26] Now, though concrete can be constructed during the wintertime,
[1:01:32] it's much more difficult to control the quality.
[1:01:35] You know, we end up having to put heat blankets on the concrete
[1:01:37] while it chores and everything. So it's much more difficult.
[1:01:41] And it's just harder to kind of keep that quality control.
[1:01:47] Lastly, the contractor has chosen to in a way to construct a good portion of this project
[1:01:55] because we will allow them to close certain sections of 2,300 West only when school is not in session.
[1:02:05] So we do not allow them to close sections.
[1:02:08] say, for example, between 3rd North and 9th North or between 9th North and 15th, when schools
[1:02:14] in session.
[1:02:15] We have too many schools in the area, will it create gallum or will it create junior highs
[1:02:20] on 3rd North, a Santa Catamuse on 9th North, North Point Elementary is up there 2100.
[1:02:27] So that's one of the other reasons that they choose to do a lot of this construction in
[1:02:31] the summer is because they can close certain sections of the roadway.
[1:02:35] It makes it easier and much safer for the public.
[1:02:40] Do you have any questions on that before I move forward?
[1:02:48] So what I would like to do now is just talk a little about
[1:02:51] about those alternative designs that I've emailed you.
[1:02:54] Just as a reminder, we're talking about the section
[1:02:57] between the third north and ninth north.
[1:02:59] That's highlighted in yellow on that upper picture.
[1:03:03] As a reminder, this construction project is from Main Street all the way to 2150 North,
[1:03:09] but we're just, these alternative designs are just for that section between 30 and 9.
[1:03:15] One of the challenges that we had between 30 and 9 is the property between this section was purchased in 2005.
[1:03:24] The right way was purchased for our transportation master plan, you know, almost 20 years ago.
[1:03:30] So, we didn't buy any property for anyone in this section, as part of this project,
[1:03:39] so moving forward a couple of weeks ago I sent you some different alternatives.
[1:03:48] Alternative one is that we continue with the design like it is, which this is the design that we have in the plans.
[1:03:56] Alternative is that alternative one would just be we just continue with the design as
[1:04:02] As we have it. I'll go ahead and go on to alternative two
[1:04:07] We've actually thought about one other alternative since I sent my email to you
[1:04:13] I'm going to call this to a but this is the alternative that I showed you which we I call alternative to
[1:04:20] Essentially what we would do on this project in this we would steep on the side slopes of the road slightly
[1:04:26] and put a small drainage berm or ditch at the bottom.
[1:04:31] That would allow us to collect any water that flows off of our roadway up to the fence and can be at out,
[1:04:39] so that we're not shedding water onto those property owners.
[1:04:45] Secondary gutter?
[1:04:47] Yeah, almost.
[1:04:48] It could either be a concrete v-ditch or it could just be.
[1:04:52] When we do this, it's like a French strain, essentially you build a gravel drain with a pipe
[1:04:58] in the bottom of it, and above.
[1:05:00] The water seeps in through the gravel into the pipe and then it leaves the project. So our engineers are telling us that option is about $165,000. Just to kind of give you an idea that construction on this project, I believe it's a $10 million, a construction project.
[1:05:21] So anyways, 165 is about what that would be this optional alternative to a would not require any additional right away.
[1:05:30] We don't need to go to any landowners.
[1:05:33] The fence stays where it is.
[1:05:35] We would just steepen up the side slopes slightly and tie in that drain to storm green that's already in the street.
[1:05:45] Or that we will construct within the street.
[1:05:47] And what kind of distance is that between?
[1:05:50] I believe from Kurban Gutter to the property line is approximately 11 feet,
[1:05:57] so we would just
[1:05:58] steepen up the crosswalk just a little bit. Just to give us enough room to put that small
[1:06:04] ditch or the drainage channel there. Option, the next option option 2A was one that our engineer
[1:06:12] also thought about.
[1:06:16] This is a little different than anything that I've shown you. It's the same
[1:06:18] and the same steepening of that side slope,
[1:06:22] but we would remove the fence and place an eight foot tall fence.
[1:06:27] Yeah.
[1:06:30] Again, there's a significantly more money.
[1:06:35] To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen an eight foot tall chain length fence,
[1:06:39] but my engineer assures me that they do make them.
[1:06:42] It would be privacy slatted just like the existing fences.
[1:06:45] But from their side it would seem like it's eight feet tall, from the roadside it would look more like a six foot fence.
[1:06:54] But anyways, it essentially raises the cost of it.
[1:06:59] By more than double probably closer to triple just because it's an expensive fence to buy.
[1:07:05] I think my engineer said it's almost $95 of foot.
[1:07:10] And then the last option is option 3.
[1:07:14] This is the same option 3 that I presented to you.
[1:07:16] In this case, we would essentially extend curb and gutter,
[1:07:23] or sorry, we would extend the field slope over to where the property line is,
[1:07:27] and then we would fill onto the property.
[1:07:29] The property owner's property.
[1:07:31] I show a wall there also.
[1:07:34] That wall is just shown in areas where, for example,
[1:07:37] we may have a building that's really close to the property line.
[1:07:40] Some of those landowners built sheds and shops up next,
[1:07:44] right up next to the, right up next to the fence.
[1:07:47] And so in those, that case we would have to put some walls in.
[1:07:51] That cost is coming in right around $790,000.
[1:07:58] First of all, do you have any questions about the different options that I've presented?
[1:08:04] extending
[1:08:09] the slides slope into the property owner's lot with that, I'm assuming that would require a permission from that.
[1:08:15] Oh yes, and like, and we're only estimating as for the cost of purchase, wouldn't be a purchase.
[1:08:23] We would not intend to purchase the right away, but we do tend by roadway construction, which come at a cost.
[1:08:33] Does that account for the filter?
[1:08:34] It does account for the filter, but it doesn't account for a cost for us to buy any property
[1:08:41] or construction units within those property owners.
[1:08:44] We have to rehab landscape.
[1:08:46] And you have to rehab landscape.
[1:08:47] So it's just challenging, right?
[1:08:50] Because the challenge that we have when we're in people's properties and we're trying to rehab their landscape
[1:08:55] is it just seems like typically speaking I can just never get it right.
[1:09:00] The punchless never ends.
[1:09:01] Yeah, it just doesn't work really well.
[1:09:06] Typically speaking, if I have a project like this,
[1:09:09] we will pay a landowner to landscape their own.
[1:09:12] So that way, it's up to them to make sure
[1:09:14] that they get the right seating contractor
[1:09:16] and they get the right irrigation contractor and whatnot.
[1:09:19] But anyways, so that's one of the challenges
[1:09:21] with this option.
[1:09:23] Besides the cost, that's my biggest concern
[1:09:24] is that it'd just be it ongoing nightmare.
[1:09:30] The other, even if there's the worst expense of option, I probably still be ready to send to go with it.
[1:09:36] The other challenge that we see with this option is that it's based on the pretense that everyone's in a greens with us doing this.
[1:09:46] Essentially, we could probably have some blend owners not agree with it.
[1:09:51] And what we really don't want to do when we have a contractor on contract is to delay the project so that
[1:09:58] so that we don't get the belt.
[1:10:00] He's really for this to be effective. It's similar to the family park, home locks, where you have to have some of them that retains the entire section, because if you only have one lock that's retained, it doesn't necessarily help the others.
[1:10:10] Yes, we did run a cost on not filling into their properties and doing the wall the entire distance. It's in the range of 830 or 40 thousand dollars, but we still need to get permission from those landowners to at least step on their property to build the wall.
[1:10:28] Yeah, so it doesn't infect their landscaping as much.
[1:10:31] That's true, but anyways, that's.
[1:10:35] Brad, what was the reason for replacing the six foot fence
[1:10:38] with the eight foot fence?
[1:10:40] I think the only reason was, I think it was Mr. Meek.
[1:10:44] I'm correct.
[1:10:45] He was concerned that we were going to blow snow over the fence
[1:10:49] when it's so much lower.
[1:10:51] If we had an eight foot fence, it would be the height
[1:10:54] of what this fence is right here.
[1:10:57] So the fence top would be a lot the same location with any foot fence and no feel as it is with a six foot fence and feel
[1:11:07] That it was just another option. It was obviously cheaper than can you go back to alternative one
[1:11:16] Yeah, yeah, I'll sorry alternative one is to do what we have now two a was just a steep enough the slope
[1:11:28] I think that the beauty of this alternative, or the other alternative, of the next to be, is that we believe that we could complete the design and not have it be a hold up in the schedule for the contractor because we are not affecting the adjacent property owners.
[1:11:47] Now does this answer all of their concerns?
[1:11:51] No, it doesn't, but bit anyways.
[1:11:53] And I'm honestly not advocating for any of these, I mean,
[1:11:57] we could stick with alternative one and it's fine for me too,
[1:12:01] but I
[1:12:07] know we've technically don't have to get their permission,
[1:12:10] but
[1:12:19] I back yard now, I don't see this.
[1:12:21] Yeah, I think Kim could probably weigh in a little bit better
[1:12:25] than I could on an eight-up fence, but generally,
[1:12:27] an eight-up fence requires approval, too.
[1:12:29] I don't think we could as make the fence,
[1:12:31] I don't want to say really want to do that because we don't care.
[1:12:38] I don't know.
[1:12:38] But it's good.
[1:12:39] Could we?
[1:12:40] You wouldn't stay at the fence.
[1:12:42] I don't care once that someone over here doesn't.
[1:12:44] I don't know why that would matter actually.
[1:12:50] Do does the city typically pay for our fence?
[1:12:53] I'm assuming this is our fence, but I mean.
[1:12:56] In this case, we would typically just replace the fence that's there in kind.
[1:13:00] For example, we have a few places along this corridor with alternative one where we needed to replace the fence just where some of them have a dry way going and tying into 2300.
[1:13:13] So we'd have, we'd just replace it as it was. I mean, the city built this fence in 2000.
[1:13:19] You know, back in the 2008 or 2009s, when we built this road in Pioneer, this road in the city
[1:13:26] and installed this six foot tall black vinyl-coded fence with slats.
[1:13:31] Do you usually do that when you do a road, put in a fence too, or?
[1:13:35] Generally speaking, I will replace a fence as the fence existed.
[1:13:40] But if it's a new road, and you're putting it in a new road somewhere, do you put a fence on?
[1:13:46] I mean, like further north of here, between 9th and 15th, if a landowner has say a stock
[1:13:54] fence, you notice the barbed wire fence, that's what we replace.
[1:13:58] Oh, just in kind.
[1:14:00] Yeah, we just replace it in kind.
[1:14:02] Or we, or honestly, we try to pay them to replace it, because that way they get it like
[1:14:07] they want it, right?
[1:14:08] Same scenarios replacing landscaping for someone.
[1:14:11] I mean, I understand Chris's point about if you, if not everyone wants to 8 foot fence,
[1:14:15] But maybe it's, it's no different in some ways than like an RH away, you know, depending on like I have three different property owners and I paid to have my own fence put in because I did want to have to have three different fence types that I was staring at, but if some, you know, maybe there's a hybrid between, I guess two B is us paying for the foot fence versus just replacing it with the six foot correct.
[1:14:38] Actually, two A doesn't even touch the fence. Two A leaves the fence like it is and just puts the ditch next to it
[1:14:46] So maybe there's a hybrid between the two and we say look we're willing to replace it, but up to a six foot fence if you want the eight foot fence
[1:14:52] You pay the differential and each then property owner decides whether they want to contribute to the cost of the project to have that eight foot fence
[1:15:00] If we believe that the six percent of the fence is adequate, and they don't then, okay, so my question is that, this right here, if you leave the six foot fence in, we don't touch it.
[1:15:12] And then we steep in it. Isn't the fence from the streets? I think it looked like it's only four feet tall.
[1:15:17] Yes. And that was a concern by the least that the property that came last. So I guess to me,
[1:15:25] it almost seems, almost seems like we should put the eight foot fence in for protection from that.
[1:15:33] Let's say you want it. That's that is this point. Well, no, I understand it, but if they don't want it
[1:15:39] I don't understand how you leave a six foot fence in one place and put an eight foot fence. Well, my point is why do we care if it looks like a six foot fence from the street?
[1:15:48] They already have
[1:15:49] Different fences on that street. Like some of them would put the fence on top of cement. So it's already two feet higher. That's that street right there
[1:16:04] I guess that's what I'm wondering. Is the fence there for a safety measure or is it just there for aesthetics and could they just, if they want to do a eight foot fence, they could come in and ask for an exception or
[1:16:18] I mean the fence is there.
[1:16:22] I would have to talk to Lorne.
[1:16:24] I wasn't here when we originally agreed.
[1:16:27] But essentially the fence is not, I mean it's not a highway fence, right?
[1:16:32] I mean a car go through it, yes a car could, but it is some form of a safety measure.
[1:16:39] But yeah, essentially we installed that fence as part of the project originally.
[1:16:46] I think that, from my perspective, my concern is, is honestly just to make sure that we're
[1:16:54] not doing anything that would harm the project so that our contractor can't construct
[1:17:00] it in the spring.
[1:17:01] Right?
[1:17:01] I mean, we have a few one-store, through things.
[1:17:06] But if we delay the contractor, then we could incur some fairly excessive costs.
[1:17:17] So why would we be changing the fence?
[1:17:20] Because right now, it's already
[1:17:21] to look like it's what it is right now,
[1:17:23] forfeet from the road, right?
[1:17:24] We're not raising the road or anything.
[1:17:26] It's just because we're putting in more lanes.
[1:17:29] Yeah, the fence will look the same height that it is now.
[1:17:32] It's just that because the road is closer to the fence.
[1:17:35] OK.
[1:17:36] The fence may seem lower, but the road actually
[1:17:40] does not get any higher in this area,
[1:17:43] because we're keeping the existing road,
[1:17:44] and we're just tapering it down.
[1:17:46] But the road truly does get closer to the fence, so it seems like the fence is shorter.
[1:17:59] You know, after seeing your analysis and the costs, I think two A is a rational resolve.
[1:18:05] See how that citizen's respond to that?
[1:18:08] I think there's, there may be one or two that want to make a fence.
[1:18:12] I like Paul's solution to that and say, well, we'll extend that, but we need some participation.
[1:18:18] We get right now you have a six-foot fence.
[1:18:23] Are you suggesting mayor that we meet with every property owner?
[1:18:28] Yeah.
[1:18:28] Well, propose it.
[1:18:30] This is the solution that the city will propose.
[1:18:34] And then give them the option that if they want to defense, then they can pay for it.
[1:18:40] The difference.
[1:18:40] The difference.
[1:18:42] The difference.
[1:18:42] The difference.
[1:18:43] The difference.
[1:18:45] The difference.
[1:18:47] What's our obligation here?
[1:18:51] I don't believe we have any obligation.
[1:18:56] Defense is on our property line.
[1:18:58] Because I'm happy consulting with the neighbors.
[1:19:01] But I would say, hey, would you like...
[1:19:03] Optionate it costs us some money, or option be it costs us a lot of money when really.
[1:19:08] No, when I could understand where they thought we were putting in...
[1:19:11] Yeah.
[1:19:12] If you want to pay the difference, we'll do that.
[1:19:14] But if we're not putting in any fences, then I don't think that's...
[1:19:16] I don't want to necessarily frame the conversation as, you know, you definitely get to pick.
[1:19:20] to be fair I asked Brad that we look at small options because we did have some
[1:19:25] citizens that were concerned but we needed to know what the cost were now we
[1:19:29] know and it is pretty significant as more than I thought it would be but yeah I
[1:19:35] think Brad I'm what I'm here and here we need to move along so I'm sorry but
[1:19:40] yeah I think we do what you suggest is just let the property owners know that
[1:19:45] about what we're going to try to do here and see what they're concerned about.
[1:19:49] So the move, the go forward time would be the way.
[1:19:52] Two a.
[1:19:53] Correct.
[1:19:54] Yes.
[1:19:56] All right.
[1:19:56] I think so.
[1:19:57] Can you think the existing things?
[1:19:59] I mean doubt.
[1:20:00] Would help with the water flow. That was one of the things they brought up. And I think we do have responsibility to try to keep that on our side, I guess, but.
[1:20:09] I think we do in French, French Dane's work. We've been using for a lot of years.
[1:20:14] Yeah, we need to do a value. What do we do a French strainer or a concrete b-ditch?
[1:20:18] Can you talk to public works and see what they want to?
[1:20:21] I think the reason I think well, first thing I think it's going to have to be some kind of friend strain because there will be some snow build up that's going to turn into ice and then it's not going to flow in the winter time.
[1:20:33] So you almost have to have a perforated system where the water can get into the ground.
[1:20:42] Whether it's a V-ditch or a friend strain I think those costs are the same.
[1:20:46] They're not much different. I guess the question is, is this a message that you're asking me to portray to them or
[1:20:54] Yeah, we'd love you to
[1:20:58] I
[1:20:59] Would you love to be whatever you ask? I think that's your job. Brats. Sorry
[1:21:03] So what you're looking for is ahead not that we're all cool with you offering to a
[1:21:10] I will pursue that way. And just let them know there is the option that they can put in ask for an exception and to get an eight foot fence
[1:21:17] that I at their cost because I don't like pace that I don't know if we have that obligation
[1:21:24] to do that.
[1:21:25] I don't.
[1:21:29] All right.
[1:21:29] Thank you.
[1:21:30] Thank you.
[1:21:31] Okay.
[1:21:32] Council, do you have anything on any questions on the agenda that I'm pretty sure
[1:21:37] to agenda?
[1:21:40] Okay.
[1:21:40] Administrative report, Joel, I know you've got talk to us about the new power
[1:21:55] I didn't email this to your earlier because I thought I'd just hand out a handout.
[1:22:00] I'll start with what I'm looking for is just, today is an update on what we're going
[1:22:06] to be looking to get approval for a power cells contract, actually two power cells contract
[1:22:14] that are due November 30th and in order to hit that deadline, we're looking at having to have
[1:22:21] those approved our next council meeting because we only have one in November, so that's the last one between now and then so I want to give you a really high level skim of what we're looking at and then give you guys the opportunity to reach out to me if you have more specific questions or if you have any tonight we're happy to talk about those but if we move through this relatively quickly
[1:22:46] UAMPS did an integrated resource plan about a year ago to determine what the next directions are after the
[1:22:54] the closure of the study project for the nuclear plant that was supposed to be built in Idaho Falls.
[1:23:01] So as they look for what needs to happen, it was determined they need to build two natural gas plants.
[1:23:07] One would be a base load natural gas plant and one would be a peaking natural gas plant.
[1:23:12] They sized those plants based on what they assumed the member needs were for all of you
[1:23:18] absent.
[1:23:19] It came in to be the base load patent and be 360 megawatts and the peaking plant is 200
[1:23:24] megawatts.
[1:23:25] So that was the IRP recommendation.
[1:23:28] Now as they went through and met with members to decide what their needs were, they came up
[1:23:35] with 245 megawatts of need for the base load power plant.
[1:23:39] And the peaking plant was 164 megawatts.
[1:23:43] Both of those were 82% of what the recommended size of the plant was.
[1:23:48] Just for reference, sleigh-high's portion would be the 25 megawatts of the base load plant and 30 megawatts of the peaking plant.
[1:23:57] In order to move forward with the power cells contract, the contract has to be 85% subscribed.
[1:24:05] But we're not there yet, but in order to do that, they asked if everybody would be willing
[1:24:13] to increase their subscription by 5%.
[1:24:16] So that's what you see there and what would come back so long as everybody is comfortable
[1:24:21] with the increased percentages and megawatts for the new amount.
[1:24:28] So that would be 258 and 173 and you can see the percentages there.
[1:24:33] So we cross the 85% requirement and that puts us at 26.25 megawatts in 31.5.
[1:24:42] So that's kind of $4 million for what's that right $1.4 million total, not each.
[1:24:49] Oh, are you looking, are you looking at the price tag?
[1:24:55] I know I shouldn't hand this to you yet, okay, so
[1:25:00] With project development of the scale and of what the industry has in place now. Longly times and transmission
[1:25:08] requirements and just generally development, there's more upfront costs than they're used to be. So because of that, they have to go get financing earlier on the normal, which means we have to have a power cell's contract completed, then we can go get financing to do a letter of credit for these expenses.
[1:25:25] So these expenses estimate to be about 1.4 million.
[1:25:31] The transmission request is $5 million each for the to interconnect
[1:25:37] to the transmission system.
[1:25:40] That's a deposit and we will, once that's completed,
[1:25:43] we'll get a large portion of that back.
[1:25:45] But we still have to upfront that $5 million each.
[1:25:48] Plus, the goal is to get to a class three engineering estimate.
[1:25:52] So, those upfront costs have to be paid through this study phase.
[1:25:56] That's why those percentages become important.
[1:26:00] So, or our entitlements.
[1:26:02] So, that means we're 10.2% of the base load power plant,
[1:26:05] and we're 18.2% of the peaking plant.
[1:26:09] So, that means 1.4 million.
[1:26:12] That would be our responsibility.
[1:26:13] Now, we will get a large portion of that back.
[1:26:15] The five million they estimate will actually
[1:26:24] I mean, could you please explain about harsh penalties?
[1:26:30] So, this is a little different than some of the other projects we've done.
[1:26:36] So once we're in, we're in so long as the project moves forward.
[1:26:41] So rather than talk about penalties, there's some protections.
[1:26:45] So we would be part, as the largest member would be part of the project member committee,
[1:26:50] the PMC, which makes these decisions.
[1:26:53] So once the contract is signed and done,
[1:26:56] now we'll put guardrails on it to protect the project
[1:26:59] and protect all of them in the number cities.
[1:27:02] What we're proposing those would be that 85% requirement
[1:27:07] would have to be in place or the project is not a project.
[1:27:11] So if these numbers drop, we don't move forward.
[1:27:16] And we're pretty close.
[1:27:17] So it's a little bit dicey.
[1:27:18] The other part would be that we would set a price cap.
[1:27:22] So the levelized cost of energy or what the cost is per megawatt hour.
[1:27:27] If that hits above a certain ceiling project ends or we have to make a decision for willing to pay more.
[1:27:34] So that's a decision point.
[1:27:37] And in my history the group isn't good at sticking to those plans.
[1:27:44] So that's something that I don't love.
[1:27:46] But there is another piece that I do like and that is they could downsize the project.
[1:27:52] So if we don't hit the 85% they make the project smaller and then we fit.
[1:27:58] So long as the cap the price cap stays there.
[1:28:02] So there is a need for this energy obviously.
[1:28:10] I didn't talk about the dates that these plants would be online.
[1:28:13] is 2029 and the other was 2031. So these are a long ways out.
[1:28:23] But yeah, that's a really high
[1:28:25] level quick run through of the two power plants that we're looking at through UMPs and what
[1:28:30] are what our participation would look like. Questions and what other follow-up you might
[1:28:38] you want before we meet again right in what is sat through some of the power cells contracts
[1:28:44] walk through. I reviewed them as well and sat through lots and lots of meetings but we
[1:28:50] can do our best to answer questions and you have staff to be able to.
[1:28:54] I'm sorry you have any more questions right now.
[1:28:58] Joel, how much did you say we're expected to get back from the deposit?
[1:29:03] They said, I wanted to call in our call today, that it would be 160,000 is what they
[1:29:10] actually cost what I'm being. So that seems ridiculous, right? $5 million, and it really
[1:29:16] only cost 150,000. The reason is there's so many interconnection requests happening with so
[1:29:23] many renewable projects that there's not enough transmission and pacificor is overwhelmed
[1:29:29] with requests and they take a lot of their time, they only want serious requests. So unless
[1:29:34] you're willing to put up $5 million and then if you pull that then there's a penalty of
[1:29:41] nine times what the initial study was. They do not want you like pretending to connect.
[1:29:48] Because they've got a lot of that. People will come and, hey, we want to connect right here. We
[1:29:53] think we have a project and they don't have any subscribers, they got nobody to take the power
[1:29:57] And then they fall apart and that happens all the time.
[1:30:00] So they're kind of done with that, and that's why these look like this now.
[1:30:09] Thank you, Joel. Yeah. Please reach out to me in the next few weeks. If you have questions, if there's any new information that comes out, I'll email you that so that you're prepared on the 12th to have that discussion. And there's a chance that this doesn't to be because the subscription level isn't met and we've got to rethink some things.
[1:30:31] Okay, but there's no things changing power.
[1:30:33] Yep, thank you.
[1:30:35] Thanks, George.
[1:30:37] Okay, Council.
[1:30:40] So reports, I know we have another run-vailing coming up.
[1:30:44] We also have the UVU ribbon cutting.
[1:30:47] I know we're probably wanted at both,
[1:30:50] so there's going to be a timing issue.
[1:30:53] I think you can go early to the UVU thing.
[1:30:55] I encourage you to do that to take a tour of the facility.
[1:30:58] I'll talk to Sue and see if that's possible.
[1:31:00] So you can do that and after the ribbon cutting, you can head straight up to the Monument
[1:31:05] and Vailing.
[1:31:07] So I'll see if we can work that out of call her a Marm, her and I.
[1:31:11] I think I planned on 530 for the ribbon cutting, which is what makes it so tight.
[1:31:16] For UVU.
[1:31:17] Yeah.
[1:31:17] So open house 4 to 6, but ribbon cutting of 530 is out of this.
[1:31:22] So that we should be able to make it go or you'll be surprised.
[1:31:25] I'm very toward the facility and I'll tell you what, I was shocked at the technology they have there
[1:31:34] trained the nurses and the dentists and everything else and the police emergency services personnel training that goes on now will be there.
[1:31:44] I'm excited to have it in our community. I mean this is really awesome.
[1:31:48] So, and it's here for a reason, right?
[1:31:52] And there's Lehigh's where they want to be,
[1:31:55] because the medical centers that are coming in here,
[1:31:58] and they believe they'll have,
[1:32:02] you know, be a draw for a lot of students
[1:32:04] to go to school here, so.
[1:32:07] Okay, anything else on your assignments?
[1:32:14] And it took that one over for you, sorry, don't know.
[1:32:16] But the monument.
[1:32:17] But the UB that you think I'm on their board and so that's important to me too, so.
[1:32:22] All right.
[1:32:23] Let's go ahead and take a break.
[1:32:25] Let's try to get back close to seven.
[1:32:27] We might just be a minute or two light, but for those who come,
[1:32:30] we'll try to get back here and start at the seven for a regular session.
[1:32:43] Hi, City Council.
[1:32:44] Meeting at the date is October 22nd,
[1:32:48] 2024.
[1:32:49] This is our regular session.
[1:32:55] And as a matter of role call,
[1:32:57] All our city council members are in attendance here today.
[1:33:00] We do always start this meeting up with a pledge of allegiance, and I've asked Paul, if he would lead us in that.
[1:33:11] Please rise.
[1:33:12] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in Israel with liberty and justice for all.
[1:33:28] Thank you Paul.
[1:33:31] All righty.
[1:33:31] So one thing we do at our city council meetings is we allow about 20 minutes for public input.
[1:33:40] So if there's somebody here who would like to bring something to the attention of the council or the administrative staff,
[1:33:47] this is an opportunity to stand up and do it.
[1:33:49] We do have a limited time, so we ask you limit your comments to about two or three minutes.
[1:33:55] If you're here to speak on something on the agenda, if you'll wait until that agenda item comes up,
[1:34:00] That's a more appropriate place to have that discussion and to tell us how you feel that's that's that's okay
[1:34:07] We'll be taking on
[1:34:10] I'll be taking common on anything that I believe somebody is here and feels need to speak on
[1:34:16] But right now is there anybody in the in the audience would like to stand up and speak on something that is not on the agenda
[1:34:23] Yeah, you got a rose. Are you got to come up front give us your name
[1:34:29] to put my kids to bed. I haven't reviewed the agenda and he tells us the train on the agenda.
[1:34:35] Later.
[1:34:35] The transaction.
[1:34:36] We talked about the train in pre-counts.
[1:34:39] Is it okay if I make it?
[1:34:41] Yeah, absolutely.
[1:34:42] We understand.
[1:34:44] We are very much engaged in this issue.
[1:34:47] I met with one of our congressmen this afternoon.
[1:34:49] I'm about to go ahead.
[1:34:52] Thank you.
[1:34:52] Scott Murphy, by the way, lead high resident for about six years,
[1:34:55] a one year stint elsewhere, but love the community.
[1:34:57] Thanks for all you do to support our community.
[1:35:00] I've become really good friends with Luke. No, he's working super hard. And so I want you to know I'm totally a champion for the city and trying to get that sorted out.
[1:35:08] I am an affected resident, light sleeper. Obviously, I signed up for it, believing there was a quiet zone.
[1:35:15] We all want it back as soon as possible. You understand that, and I don't need to rehash that. But I had an idea.
[1:35:21] I just wanted to put on your radar. I actually mentioned this to Luke as well. I feel that I've actually gone. I'm kind of a researcher by nature.
[1:35:28] I've done a huge deep dive on the history of the FRA, these regulations.
[1:35:32] I've been talking to people at the FRA, I haven't kind of doing my own research here
[1:35:37] in.
[1:35:38] And I have come to the conclusion that the FRA has operated with regulatory uncertainty, I think
[1:35:44] you guys would agree where there wasn't any regulation for a long time, and then all of a sudden
[1:35:49] they came in with a big stick.
[1:35:51] They had regulation, it just wasn't enforced.
[1:35:53] Exactly.
[1:35:53] They didn't have inspectors, and this is happening at cities across the country.
[1:35:57] And we'll happen to other cities soon, I'm aware of.
[1:36:01] So my idea for the state of Utah, at least,
[1:36:04] I want to, you know, I'll share more details over email,
[1:36:07] is I feel that the entire state, and particularly
[1:36:11] the UTA, has a vested interest in the success
[1:36:14] and maintenance of the quiet zones.
[1:36:16] The whole UTA system was kind of built on this,
[1:36:19] like economic development vision, that really crumbles
[1:36:23] if you don't have the quiet zones.
[1:36:24] And I know hundreds of students down at the provostation at BYU, for example, who can't sleep to the night.
[1:36:31] And so the public support for UTA and the front runner will crumble without these quiet zones.
[1:36:36] And so my proposal is, and I would seek your input on this in the future, is that we actually go to the 2025 Utah Legislative session.
[1:36:44] And we propose a bill that basically has the state provided a bit of funding.
[1:36:50] It doesn't need to be any crazy amount and mandate UTA or another entity, but I think it should be UTA because they've obviously got the cloud
[1:36:58] They've got the relationships
[1:37:00] They've got the on-call contractor that can do stuff in two weeks that it was gonna take us two years to do and I feel that there's a really compelling
[1:37:08] argument to be made in the interest of true public safety
[1:37:12] Not just the train safety, which is critically important, but I've dug into all the facts on this and
[1:37:18] The idea that this was down in the interest of public safety does not hold up the scrutiny and I have all the data in fact
[1:37:24] It's important that you were absolutely correct and so it's completely just a power play by the FRA and I feel that Utah
[1:37:30] Utah or Utah can solve this problem for the long run
[1:37:34] but we need
[1:37:35] somebody with
[1:37:38] relationships cloud and
[1:37:41] Accountability at the state level and their details to be worked out, but I just wanted to pitch that as an idea
[1:37:47] plant to seed with you all and I'll follow up over email with details.
[1:37:51] I'd love your input and feedback off you think that's a good idea, but one way or the
[1:37:55] other, you know, just want to help support the preservation of the quiet zones.
[1:38:00] Thank you.
[1:38:00] Yeah, I appreciate it.
[1:38:01] Well, look forward to your email.
[1:38:02] We're actually taking it to DC.
[1:38:05] So, yeah, we're working on it.
[1:38:06] Fantastic.
[1:38:07] Thank you.
[1:38:07] Thank you.
[1:38:08] Other public comment.
[1:38:12] Okay.
[1:38:12] Seeing none.
[1:38:13] I'll close the citizen input, we'll bring it up here.
[1:38:17] We have a couple of presentations here.
[1:38:21] The first one is item 3.1 and this is the Heart Saver Award presentation.
[1:38:27] Chief Robinson.
[1:38:28] Come on up.
[1:38:34] Mayor Council.
[1:38:34] Thanks for putting us on the agenda tonight.
[1:38:37] I'm always very proud as a chief officer to recognize the life-saving efforts of our fire
[1:38:42] personnel and our police officers in the city.
[1:38:45] They do a phenomenal job.
[1:38:46] this call that was they did they did fantastic job saving life but beyond it
[1:38:54] just what we did on scene we also had we had assistance from bystanders
[1:38:58] a couple of bystanders that that had performed life saving measures on scene
[1:39:04] and helped help us out a little bit I want to give you the details of the call
[1:39:07] this to you understand what what took place and and who did what before we
[1:39:12] recognize them. So this call happened on August 9th to 2024.
[1:39:23] A 48-year-old man was found
[1:39:24] unresponsive in his vehicle by two bystanders who forced entry by breaking a window and
[1:39:30] removed a patient from the vehicle. Once he was removed from the vehicle he was not breathing
[1:39:36] and had no pulse. Bystanders initiated CPR until Lehigh PD arrived and assisted CPR on a
[1:39:44] of the Lehigh Pire Crew, Station 81, A-Shift, patient care was assumed by EMS and Airway was
[1:39:51] secure.
[1:39:53] Medications were given in four rounds of CPR administered and the patient received Ross, which is returned.
[1:40:00] adjourned of spontaneous circulation. Patient maintain a pulse during transport to Mount Point Hospital and his home with his family this evening.
[1:40:08] I've been released from the hospital. So, as you may know, there's a few things that need to take place in order for this to happen.
[1:40:18] And I know Chief Crafters outlined some of those things. And one of those is good quality CPR.
[1:40:23] by people or citizens before we arrive.
[1:40:27] That's something that's very important.
[1:40:29] Good CPR by our police officers,
[1:40:31] and then quality care by our EMS personnel.
[1:40:34] And all three of those things happen that day.
[1:40:37] And as gentlemen, it's home with this family this evening
[1:40:39] because of their efforts.
[1:40:41] So I want to recognize their efforts
[1:40:44] with the life-saving war this evening.
[1:40:47] And I'll call them up.
[1:40:47] I name them.
[1:40:48] If they wouldn't mind coming up and we'll recognize them.
[1:40:54] Battalion Chief Jeff Smith,
[1:41:00] Captain Trent Stanley,
[1:41:05] Engineer Steve Berenson,
[1:41:10] Paramet Exacto-Cero,
[1:41:14] AEMT Kai-Hedman,
[1:41:19] and Parametic Culture Nordbird.
[1:41:29] From our PD, we have Brennan Rudolf and Brennan Farnsworth,
[1:41:41] and then our
[1:41:42] bystandard are here with us this evening that also the
[1:41:45] form CPR life-saving measures, Daniel Toulack,
[1:41:52] and James McClardy.
[1:42:13] Thank you.
[1:42:24] I'm going to step down there and we'll get a photograph of everybody together.
[1:42:27] Thanks, Mayor.
[1:42:49] Do we go like that?
[1:43:24] Those are always kind of very special presentations.
[1:43:31] Item 3.2.
[1:43:33] This is the one that I look forward to doing this one and signing this one every year.
[1:43:37] So Sarah's always here.
[1:43:38] Thank you.
[1:43:39] And by the way, I've worked my purple tie.
[1:43:42] I forgot last year, and I felt terrible all year.
[1:43:45] First thing I grabbed on my closet this morning, right?
[1:43:48] Well, I knew you would, so OK.
[1:43:52] So every year in November, we honor this as epilepsy,
[1:43:56] awareness month, and I always sign a proclamation.
[1:44:01] So I'm going to read through that proclamation now,
[1:44:04] because we think this is an extremely important thing.
[1:44:06] and so it would just be patient with me for just a moment.
[1:44:11] This is a proclamation for the Epilepsy Awareness Month in November 2024.
[1:44:17] Whereas Epilepsy is an incurable brain disorder that causes people to have recurring seizures.
[1:44:22] Whereas Epilepsy is the third most common neurological condition in one in 26 people in the United States.
[1:44:28] Well, develop epilepsy in his or her lifetime due to genetics, traumatic brain injury, illness, unknown causes, and more.
[1:44:37] Whereas epilepsy affects 3.4 million, millions of people, Americans, with nearly 34,000 of them being utons.
[1:44:46] Millions more are affected, such as families, caregivers, friends, teachers, and more.
[1:44:52] where as a white spread lack of understanding and knowledge about epilepsy, often cause people, particularly children, and youth.
[1:45:00] Chair, isolate, stigmatize, and bully their peers who are afflicted with epilepsy and other seizures
[1:45:07] disorders and whereas. The city of Lehigh joins November 2024's epilepsy awareness month, a global
[1:45:15] national and state effort to increase awareness, educate residents of Lehigh about epilepsy and
[1:45:21] Lynn support to people with epilepsy and their families in order to improve their quality of life.
[1:45:26] Now, therefore, by proclamation of Mayor Mark Johnson in the City Council, members Page
[1:45:32] Albert, Chris Condy, Paul Hancock, Heather Null, Michelle's Thalings, dated this 22nd
[1:45:38] day of October 2024,
[1:45:42] signed this,
[1:45:45] and we'll bring it down and get another picture, is that
[1:45:47] okay?
[1:45:54] I actually do wear this tie even if it's a sky-ritch.
[1:46:04] I know,
[1:46:18] I know, but you're not.
[1:46:20] It's airship in mind.
[1:46:22] Good luck.
[1:46:24] Come on.
[1:46:24] Good luck.
[1:46:25] Good luck.
[1:46:26] This is going in your firm record too, but it's really awesome.
[1:46:35] Thank you.
[1:46:35] Thank you.
[1:46:35] I don't know about your permanent record now, you know what it is.
[1:46:57] Item 3.3, we have an employee,
[1:47:00] commendation. Tom, commendations.
[1:47:03] Cameron?
[1:47:05] Tom, do you?
[1:47:06] So we have three employees that we like to recognize tonight for some achievement or recognition that they've received
[1:47:13] from organizations outside of our city.
[1:47:16] And so I've invited Heather Tucker with the Literacy Center to recognize one of her employees.
[1:47:24] And then Kim's brothers will recognize one of his employees and then all recognize Judge Cummings.
[1:47:31] So I'll let Heather do her job now.
[1:47:34] I always have to recognize the judge.
[1:47:42] All right, I just wanted to introduce you to Alva Portillo.
[1:47:46] Alva has been with the Literacy Center for about 13 years.
[1:47:50] She was nominated and selected to be recognized by the Hispanic Heritage Congressional Recognition
[1:47:56] Ceremony, which is hosted by U.S. Congressman Burgess Owen's office annually.
[1:48:03] So, Elva was one of about 40 participants that was recognized for the state of Utah for the
[1:48:09] fourth congressional district. So, we just wanted to make you aware that she does a phenomenal
[1:48:15] job for us at the Literacy Center. And she's been with us for a long time and she
[1:48:19] she's touched many, many lives.
[1:48:21] I would thank you very much.
[1:48:34] Yeah, let's wait and we'll get a picture
[1:48:36] with all together.
[1:48:37] Is that okay?
[1:48:38] Yeah, that's fine.
[1:48:45] We still deserve Todd's desk.
[1:48:47] As I thought it was so cool, I've got to show you
[1:48:49] it's my clone body.
[1:48:51] Yeah, thank you.
[1:48:52] Is that high karate?
[1:48:54] It's heavy.
[1:48:55] It's a good paper room.
[1:48:57] Now we want it, it's so great to work with Todd.
[1:49:00] He does such a great job at his job.
[1:49:03] So, recently, Todd was, I don't know if it was nominated, anyways, he was awarded this
[1:49:10] Friends of the Jordan River Award by the Jordan River Commission and the Jordan River
[1:49:16] Foundation for, they wanted to recognize Todd for his exceptional community engagement related
[1:49:23] to the Jordan River.
[1:49:24] He received the recognition just earlier this month at their annual awards at the Living
[1:49:32] planet aquarium, but yeah, I think you're all very aware, but maybe the public and those who
[1:49:37] are watching Todd has done a lot of things with the Jordan River with service projects,
[1:49:44] clean up the puncture weed bounty. I think it was in your most recent one. You collected
[1:49:49] how many thousand pounds? Just about 2,500 pounds. That was a big bunch. It wasn't a record.
[1:50:00] But it was almost a record, right?
[1:50:01] It just keeps happening.
[1:50:03] But I hope you'll get less flat tires if you're on your way.
[1:50:09] So yeah, the recognized Todd for that. And some of the recognition even you can share in,
[1:50:14] they recognized Lehigh City for adopting our Jordan River overlay protection zone.
[1:50:19] And Todd's just helping us oversee that. So Todd just does a wonderful job helping
[1:50:27] raise awareness. He's involved in so many different facets of sustainability with recycling,
[1:50:34] air quality, water efficiency, energy usage, and even transportation. He's also the liaison
[1:50:41] to our seven member environmental sustainability committee, and they help with all of those efforts.
[1:50:48] And we're always looking for volunteers. If somebody is interested in serving in that capacity
[1:50:54] with environmental sustainability.
[1:50:55] But anyway, we want to congratulate Todd for his award.
[1:51:10] On the right, Judge Cummings up here with me.
[1:51:13] No, bro.
[1:51:16] But he has had the bow tie.
[1:51:17] So that's how you recognize him as the bow tie.
[1:51:22] So, well, Judge Cummings, he was recently given an award from the Chief Justice, Chief Justice
[1:51:28] around the Chief Justice of the Utah Supreme Court.
[1:51:32] The ward is the quality of justice award.
[1:51:35] The award is given to a judge who performs judicial
[1:51:38] responsibilities without standing dedication
[1:51:40] to the highest quality of justice.
[1:51:44] And during the presentation of the award,
[1:51:47] Chief Justice Durant made some comments
[1:51:50] I'd like to share with you tonight.
[1:51:53] He said judge Cummings currently serves
[1:51:55] as the chair of the Board of Justice Court judges.
[1:51:57] In this role, he provides strong leadership and has worked diligently and thoughtfully through various challenging issues.
[1:52:04] In his role on the bench, Judge Cummings consistently and effectively creates an environment necessary to fulfill the judiciary's mission.
[1:52:13] He is positive, patient, and kind while able to focus on the legal issues that need to be addressed.
[1:52:18] He also mentors new judges and is always available to assist his colleagues.
[1:52:22] Judge Cummings continuously demonstrates his outstanding dedication to the highest quality of justice.
[1:52:30] And Judge Cummings leadership and respect that is shown to him as a parent when you go to the justice court
[1:52:38] and you see his employees and how they interact with him.
[1:52:41] And he's created a great culture over there.
[1:52:43] And part of it is attributed, I think, to what a statement that he shared with me after being recognized.
[1:52:48] he said that this is truly indicative and only possible because of the amazing work of our
[1:52:53] whole team and so in receiving this recognition he paid tribute also to his team which I think
[1:53:01] is well deserved as well. So we're grateful to have Judge Cummings in Lehigh City and we want
[1:53:06] to congratulate him for receiving the quality of justice award.
[1:53:59] Judge Nose of story. I've always
[1:54:02] been so impressed with his boat tie that I decide to get me a boat tie. And I ask him how
[1:54:06] or you tie this, he says, oh, it's easy.
[1:54:07] Just go online, there's plenty of videos showing you how to do it.
[1:54:10] I spent an entire afternoon trying to figure out
[1:54:12] how to tie that boat today.
[1:54:14] It's never happened.
[1:54:15] I've still never wore that boat today.
[1:54:18] Hopefully, before I'm done being mayor,
[1:54:20] I'll be able to figure it out and come where at one night,
[1:54:22] but I'll tell you what, I'm impressed
[1:54:24] that you can even tie that thing every day.
[1:54:30] I feel like I'm going to my mom
[1:54:31] to tie my tie.
[1:54:32] So it's not right for you, but I'm going to take you
[1:54:37] on it because I gave up on the video.
[1:54:39] I mean, I could not figure it out.
[1:54:42] Thank you.
[1:54:45] All right.
[1:54:46] Next item is item number four.
[1:54:47] It's actually 4.1.
[1:54:48] This is approval purchase orders.
[1:54:50] There's only one thing on there.
[1:54:52] Council.
[1:54:52] Do you have any questions on that purchase order item?
[1:54:56] Or those purchase orders and then consent agenda?
[1:54:58] T-Sh-
[1:55:00] Do we need a reference, the purchase order number you sent us an email? It's in the morning.
[1:55:04] It wouldn't hurt, sure. That's probably a good idea to do in the motion chair.
[1:55:09] Okay.
[1:55:10] Would somebody like to make a motion on that consent agenda?
[1:55:15] Mr. Mayor, we approve the consent agenda, which includes purchase order number 7874 for strong solutions,
[1:55:23] I'm in total of $134,000 and $50 as presented.
[1:55:31] I have a motion to approve the consent agenda.
[1:55:34] Do I have a second?
[1:55:36] I have a second.
[1:55:38] Chris made the motion page made the second.
[1:55:41] Any questions on that motion?
[1:55:44] Hearing none, all those in favor say aye.
[1:55:46] Aye.
[1:55:50] It's an agenda passes.
[1:55:51] That moves us to item number five.
[1:55:53] This is consideration of ordinance, number 64, 2024.
[1:55:57] The Bowden General Plan Amendment on 5.18 acres located at
[1:56:01] 98, 61 West, 9600 North, changing the land use designation from
[1:56:07] the LDRA to LDR.
[1:56:10] The applicant is Cory Bowden.
[1:56:12] Is he here?
[1:56:19] Could be shorter than I anticipated.
[1:56:25] Did you send that a notification earlier this week?
[1:56:28] So, on Monday.
[1:56:29] Councillor, it's up to you. We have a couple of options. We can list a comments. We can make a decision without him presenting, or we can table it.
[1:56:41] Councillor, do you have a preference?
[1:56:46] I'm sorry.
[1:56:48] I think I'd be okay moving forward on this one. I'd be okay moving forward too.
[1:56:55] We'll still do that,
[1:56:59] I always like an application to go through the due process and have that opportunity to present as a constitutional right, but if you don't show up willingly, that makes it a lot more difficult for him to get what his application is for, so that being said, who's here to speak on this tonight?
[1:57:19] something
[1:57:25] on the way here, can it come back or does he have to wait to get to it?
[1:57:28] Yeah, I'm not, you have to shut up, but I'm just an emergency like that, or else we'd let him come.
[1:57:36] Well, moving forward with some comments, I do ask you to keep your comments brief.
[1:57:41] Obviously, if the applicant is an error, we'll understand what you have to say pretty simply and quickly,
[1:57:47] and he doesn't have an opportunity to respond, unfortunately for him.
[1:57:52] But that being said, the rules are you come out to podium.
[1:57:55] It's been about three minutes if you got that much but you got to give us your name because you heard me say that thing about the permanent record
[1:58:01] It's even true when you're an adult. So it does go on the record of the city. So go ahead and come up
[1:58:15] my name is Candace Hamor Jones and
[1:58:20] I live at 2784 West River Parkway and our property line shares with this property in question here with Mr. Bowdoin
[1:58:29] There are several factors that I wish to cite that the City Council can join in with the
[1:58:34] Lee High City Planning Department and the Planning Commission that have already sent negative
[1:58:38] recommendations for this request.
[1:58:41] First, the effect of the proposed amendment is not consistent with the land uses and zoning
[1:58:45] of nearby and the joining properties or the character of the surrounding areas.
[1:58:51] The development review board already stated that they do not recommend approval of this
[1:58:56] the designation, stating that LDR lets you go down to 0.18 acre lots in your packet you
[1:59:04] saw that all neighboring lots are 0.5 acres and there's also two more platforms, the
[1:59:15] Brails Ford Platt A and Black Label Platt A that's just north of the lot that was not included
[1:59:21] but they are at least 0.51 acreageer above.
[1:59:26] Um, the applicant, when asked why they did not take the planning department's suggestion
[1:59:30] of pursuing a PUD, which would protect the lot size to be 0.3 acre with a minimum of 20%
[1:59:37] green space responded that this would not be our preference.
[1:59:41] Why is that?
[1:59:42] Because less lots means less money in the owner's pocket.
[1:59:45] By having an LDR designation, there is absolutely no guarantee that a developer wouldn't
[1:59:50] come back and say that it is there right to place 0.18 acre lots next to 0.5 acre lots
[1:59:57] have no dedicated green space.
[2:00:00] An institute, no cohesiveness with a neighborhood that has valued guidelines of maintenance and appearance.
[2:00:07] I just moved into our home in April, and this area is a very nice area that would most certainly, it would negatively affect the character of the surrounding area.
[2:00:20] The DRB also cited that the change to the general plan to a higher density should be near existing and future transit service or other land centers, and this does not meet these areas of development.
[2:00:34] Secondly,
[2:00:39] one of the intents that the applicant said for the LDR designation is to allow
[2:00:45] for smaller lots for development, decreasing home prices.
[2:00:49] By increasing the number of homes being able to be built on this property, you are only
[2:00:54] increasing the cell price developers will be asked to pay.
[2:00:58] The more profit the owner receives is passed on to the home buyers.
[2:01:02] this only contributes to the upward battle of inflation as rezoning is petitioned right before
[2:01:09] an owner is planning to sell. Third, the applicant obviously has no interest in preserving the
[2:01:15] heritage of this area. Mr. Bowden and Mr. Jill Jones, I want to just correct because I'm
[2:01:20] Candice Jones and Jill Jones is the applicant representing Mr. Bowden. They do not even live in
[2:01:36] We need areas where our growing families have homes to grow into.
[2:01:41] We need a diverse range of home and lots sizes to allow the market to offer
[2:01:45] and thrive stability within our community.
[2:01:50] In closing, there's no overall community benefit of the proposed amendment
[2:01:55] and then increase the price of the lot to a developer.
[2:02:00] Housing prices will increase every year.
[2:02:02] everyone loses as accept applicant and developer.
[2:02:05] I would ask that you deny this amendment and work with the
[2:02:07] landowner to provide solutions that will enhance and benefit the
[2:02:10] quality of life for Lee High City's lead high
[2:02:13] city citizens. Please stop adjusting the general plan so
[2:02:17] landowners can reason their property to sell for a higher
[2:02:20] price tag encouraging development that benefits the higher
[2:02:23] price homes in smaller sizes.
[2:02:25] Thank you.
[2:02:26] Thank you.
[2:02:27] and sorry and just in closing I can I give you guys we're sponsoring a voter information
[2:02:34] night as the Lehigh City Council and Skyrim and we would invite you to come.
[2:02:46] Members there representing the proposition 11 yes okay yeah I heard Skyrim. Skyrim and Lehigh
[2:02:55] Councils are both combining. Next comment.
[2:03:05] Hi my name is Ashley Frampton and I live in the same
[2:03:08] overhead as Candice Jones. My property doesn't back up to the property in question. But I
[2:03:15] do want to speak to some of the points that she made, did owe to everything specifically that
[2:03:23] it doesn't match with the area. This area of Lehigh, as you may know, is full of half-acre
[2:03:29] lots, all of them, the areas have been zoned as the LDR.
[2:03:36] And I think that's for a reason, because we need a variety of neighborhoods.
[2:03:41] We need neighborhoods that are half-acre lots, that people can grow into.
[2:03:45] And we need neighborhoods that are zoned for LDR, so that families can have lower price options.
[2:03:51] And this is not that area for an LDR.
[2:03:55] I also wanted to speak to some of the infrastructure of that area.
[2:04:03] 1,500 north, which lines up to the property, has really terrible traffic.
[2:04:08] The infrastructure in that area is not keeping up with the pace of the development,
[2:04:12] especially with the exchange neighborhood that's just for their west,
[2:04:16] which is all very low density, or sorry, low density housing in that area.
[2:04:21] So, adding more homes into this neighborhood,
[2:04:27] I think would just add to the issues of traffic in that area, especially since the infrastructure hasn't kept up.
[2:04:36] So, those were kind of my main points.
[2:04:38] Thank you.
[2:04:38] And I would hope that you would oppose this agenda item.
[2:04:43] Thank you.
[2:04:54] Mark Platt, I'm new to the area.
[2:04:56] I just moved in about two weeks ago, 28-32.
[2:04:59] You
[2:05:00] Last week for Park Road, we moved into the area because of the half acre lots. We had room to grow, do things, put in different landscaping, all sorts of different options that we have there.
[2:05:14] Not sure that I would have moved into the area if I would have known that it could possibly have.
[2:05:21] Smaller lots involved everything the lady to ladies in front of me said I agree with one hundred percent
[2:05:28] I'm not as well burst as she gives and her verbative chair pair, but I just wanted to be known that again
[2:05:35] I'm new to the neighborhood
[2:05:36] We love the neighborhood. We love the home
[2:05:40] I haven't met any of my neighbors yet. That's how new we are
[2:05:44] But I figured this was a good way to do it to come here and let the neighborhood know they're not I'm with them
[2:05:51] I'm sure I'm going to say hi to him on the side.
[2:05:53] I'm going to say hi to him on the side.
[2:05:54] You guys could help me over now.
[2:05:57] All right.
[2:05:57] Thank you for your comments.
[2:06:08] So he gave you his address.
[2:06:10] Yeah.
[2:06:13] Hi, my name is Jared Maurerucci.
[2:06:16] I recently moved to the area about a year and a half ago.
[2:06:21] And during the time period that my wife and I were looking for a home,
[2:06:23] we're very excited about the era because of the half era acre
[2:06:26] designations.
[2:06:27] We spent the better part of a few years
[2:06:29] looking for an area like this to live in to grow in.
[2:06:32] And as we moved in here and talking with our neighbors,
[2:06:34] we found that was a common theme for people
[2:06:36] that moved this area to have lots of space for children
[2:06:40] for the to the employee industries that can grow and do
[2:06:42] hobby farms to have the space to be able to grow.
[2:06:46] And as we moved here, we soon became a little disappointed
[2:06:50] pointed with the amount of traffic and high amount of,
[2:06:55] yeah, I guess I say traffic that's going through the area,
[2:06:57] especially on the 1500 North.
[2:06:58] As someone that takes his son, his two-year son,
[2:07:00] on a bike near the Arizona Bay down those areas,
[2:07:03] it's disappointing to see how fast cars go
[2:07:05] and how much traffic goes there.
[2:07:07] So I am in opposition to designated as to low-density designation there.
[2:07:15] I agree everything agree with everything they can as it shared
[2:07:18] because one of the things I do have a concern
[2:07:20] about is while a state, they could sell the 0.38
[2:07:24] precise lots, there's nothing in the proposition
[2:07:26] that say they can't go down to 0.8.
[2:07:29] If they're to sell, they're a different developer,
[2:07:31] increasing the profits for the seller.
[2:07:33] And so I am an opposition to that.
[2:07:34] I love the area, and I hope I can continue
[2:07:36] to have it as an area where people can have hobby
[2:07:39] for us, have open spaces.
[2:07:40] And the one other thing I'd bring up is we'll
[2:07:43] talk him up making a affordable housing.
[2:07:45] They mentioned that this would be an area that
[2:07:47] could be around a million dollars.
[2:07:48] That's not a starter home.
[2:07:49] designation for individuals here. So I think that's an argument. It's not very valid there.
[2:07:54] But thank you for your time. Thank you. Any other public comment?
[2:08:00] Okay. I'll bring it back
[2:08:01] up here to the council. Council. Do you have any questions for staff? The African is an
[2:08:08] here of course. So I'm going to address those questions to.
[2:08:15] If I'm not here in any questions,
[2:08:16] I'm going to go right to asking for a motion. Would somebody like to make a motion on this?
[2:08:20] Mr.
[2:08:23] Mayor, I'll make a motion that we deny,
[2:08:25] ordinate 64-2024, the Bowden General Plan Amendment on 1.5.18 acres, located
[2:08:31] in 1968-61 West, 9600 North, changing the land use destination from the LDRA to LDR.
[2:08:38] And the findings would be listed as those stated in the Planning Commission motion,
[2:08:44] which I would ask to be included as the findings of fact.
[2:08:50] Okay, Chris has made a motion to deny with findings.
[2:08:55] Do I have a second?
[2:08:56] Second?
[2:08:56] Second.
[2:08:57] I had there any questions on the motion as stated.
[2:09:00] I miss it.
[2:09:00] Chris, did you include DRC comments?
[2:09:03] No, because it fits denied.
[2:09:06] Okay.
[2:09:07] It just, yeah.
[2:09:10] The, like the, it was mentioned, DRC had some good reasons that you didn't know.
[2:09:13] Oh, they were recommended.
[2:09:15] Yeah, that's good.
[2:09:15] Find you the fact.
[2:09:16] Okay.
[2:09:22] Yeah, I'll amend to include the DRC comments.
[2:09:27] Okay, this one.
[2:09:27] This is the second stand.
[2:09:29] Any further questions?
[2:09:31] Okay, this is our notes.
[2:09:32] So we do go.
[2:09:33] We'll call.
[2:09:33] I'll start with Michelle.
[2:09:35] Chris.
[2:09:35] Yes.
[2:09:36] Heather.
[2:09:37] Paul.
[2:09:37] Yes.
[2:09:38] And page.
[2:09:39] Yes.
[2:09:40] All right.
[2:09:41] Item six is consideration of resolution.
[2:09:43] on 2024, 54, make sure you get out that pumpkin pie or whatever it was you had.
[2:09:50] Okay. Resolution 2024-54, proving an agreement between Lee Hi-City and Bureau.
[2:09:58] Veradis. Veradis. Veradis. Veradis. Veradis.
[2:10:00] Baratoss for building and construction review.
[2:10:05] It's okay. I couldn't read it when I was on my desk and I was trying to pronounce it then either.
[2:10:09] And I was in the room of by myself and I couldn't figure it out.
[2:10:12] So anyway, in construction plan review services related to the Texas Instruments New Fabrication Plan.
[2:10:22] I do know when we went back to Sherman that we met with the city and they said they could
[2:10:27] not have got through all the inspections and everything back there without employing.
[2:10:33] I think this firm, I think the same firm.
[2:10:36] Yeah.
[2:10:36] Yeah.
[2:10:36] Yeah.
[2:10:36] I'm trying to help him page this and I'm referring to the work in the scope of work.
[2:10:39] And the review of the work.
[2:10:40] And what's the work in the work?
[2:10:42] There are just reviewing plans, right?
[2:10:44] I'm just sitting engaged to review plan.
[2:10:46] Okay.
[2:10:46] Yes.
[2:10:47] Yeah.
[2:10:47] Yeah.
[2:10:48] Yeah.
[2:10:51] So this is rare.
[2:10:53] In fact, I don't.
[2:10:54] I can't think of another time that we've had to contract out our building permit review
[2:10:59] since the original micron building was built.
[2:11:01] That was when I first started.
[2:11:03] But we had hired an outside company to do the plan review as well as the inspections.
[2:11:07] In this case, we're going to have this company do the plan review.
[2:11:12] But then we will do the inspections.
[2:11:13] will have an inspector on site as the construction takes place.
[2:11:18] But yeah, this is such a large set of plans that would have taken a long time and it would
[2:11:25] have plugged up our system.
[2:11:27] So we figured this was the most efficient way to do it and the company that we're hiring
[2:11:32] has a lot of experience with the tech industry.
[2:11:35] They know tech.
[2:11:36] They're on a Houston, but they weren't on the level.
[2:11:39] Yeah.
[2:11:40] Anyway, so we're hoping to get this resolution approved so that we can move forward and
[2:11:48] ship the work off to them to review the plans and then when they're done, we'll still charge the fees and
[2:11:53] then like I said, we'll take it through the rest of the inspection process.
[2:11:57] Yeah, that was the one point that stuck out of my mind when we met with the city is they made it clear
[2:12:02] the city administrators like we kind of done this without this other group because we just simply
[2:12:07] didn't have one, the manpower, and we didn't have the technical knowledge to be able to ask the right questions.
[2:12:14] So they suggest that you need to hire a firm like this.
[2:12:16] The third time on ours, yeah.
[2:12:18] Correct, yeah.
[2:12:20] Yeah, we will use the same fee that we would normally charge to pay the company.
[2:12:25] And that covers it.
[2:12:27] Okay, yes.
[2:12:27] So this is not just Gell.
[2:12:29] It's complexity, too.
[2:12:31] I think so.
[2:12:32] Yeah, Evan Gordon has done some pretty complex commercial plan reviews,
[2:12:37] But were you getting into this tech administration?
[2:12:39] So I'm sure you could have figured it out,
[2:12:41] but it would have been a little bit of a learning curve.
[2:12:44] So these guys will jump right in.
[2:12:46] And I think they have a really quick turnaround,
[2:12:48] which is what TI was interested in as well.
[2:12:51] How many of you have been up to the TI?
[2:12:53] Have you been to the facility at all the manufacturing?
[2:12:56] I don't know if you haven't.
[2:12:58] And we ought to arrange, have there been a problem?
[2:13:01] I'm sure you haven't.
[2:13:02] We need to arrange another tour because it's pretty fascinating.
[2:13:06] the operation they have there essentially be in a pastor cost it makes a ton of sense.
[2:13:15] Well we want somebody there knowing the right questions to ask and what to look for.
[2:13:19] So no, I.
[2:13:21] Okay, I'll take a motion on nine number six.
[2:13:25] Some of our move that we approve resolution 2024-54 which is an agreement between
[2:13:30] city and bureau veritas for building a construction plan review services related to the Texas Instruments
[2:13:36] new application plant as presented. I'm a motion to approve by Paul. Do I have a second?
[2:13:43] And a second by page with a question? Sorry, I should have asked the court. You said they
[2:13:51] worked with Texas Instruments before. There's no conflict of interest or anything like that. I mean,
[2:13:55] they're not like. No, no. They're independent companies. They just have done
[2:14:00] other buildings that Texas Instruments has built. So, yeah, they're not with Texas Instruments.
[2:14:07] Yeah, thank you. All right, that's all. Yeah, thank you. Good question.
[2:14:11] Good question. Okay, any other questions on the motion? Okay. Once again, this resolution,
[2:14:17] I'm going to start with the Chris. Yes, Heather. Yes. Paul. Yes. Page. Yes. Michelle. Yes. Okay.
[2:14:25] That passes, as I mentioned, we need to have an executive session to discuss real estate.
[2:14:33] And litigation.
[2:14:34] Yeah, real estate litigation.
[2:14:37] Can I have a motion on that?
[2:14:39] Oh, thank you.
[2:14:39] Got it.
[2:14:40] Yeah, there we go.
[2:14:42] Mr. Mayor, I'm going to go to a closed executive session to discuss the litigation.
[2:14:49] I'm heading to your reasonable eminent litigation and purchase exchange at least real property.
[2:14:55] I have a motion to have a second.
[2:14:56] I'll second that.
[2:14:57] And a second of those in favor say aye.
[2:14:59] Bye.
[2:15:00] Any opposed? Okay, let's go to that conference room right behind us.