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We are live so everybody knows
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on tour again.
March.

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» Did you go to that CEO thing?

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» I did.
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had some great good speakers

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GE.

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» I was down
And I I answer

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what we're going to do with this
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we will interview
There's some people in the

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» All right.
Stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right. Thank you everybody. We have
a a number of people here and uh

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specifically for this Lennox ambulance
funding meeting. So um

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want to welcome everybody here. Do we
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this evening? You can catch us, Justin.
>> Just okay. So, so with 3.1, we have

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Sharon uh presenting, but it will be
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the only change for that. So, I'll look
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amended.
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a second.
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» All right. All in favor signify by
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» Oppose. Same sign. All right.
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quick introduce each other since we're
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who everybody is, but some maybe not.
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So, I is everyone that's like is anyone
in sitting over here on the committee as

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well? Maybe just Christie
on the committee, but okay. Everyone

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else is here for the public. So, we'll
introduce myself um and then we'll go

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around the table. So, Danny Fergen, I'm
representing the city of Lennox here and

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I'm the mayor.
Amy Harms, I am incoming Lincoln County

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Commissioner.
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Commissioner. [laughter]
>> Joanie Extro, again, income Lincoln

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County Commission.
>> Alan Perry, I'm the director of EMS for

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Lance.
>> Crystal Jacobson, mayor of Warthing.

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Lauren Vandril, city of 1x43.
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administrator with the city of T. Uh
Tyson Dollar. I'm the finance officer

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for the city of Linux.
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assistant for the city of Linux.
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specialize in public safety analytics

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officer, town chancellor.
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» Welcome. And then Christy uh Gr is
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to say. So, she's sitting back there,
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» Introduce themselves to from what
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» Yeah, let's do that. We have some people
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township. So, let's just go around and
just speak loudly so we can hear you.

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We're streaming this tonight, too. So,
that way we can come back and um listen

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to it as well, but there's probably some
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One other person. We have someone on
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» Lind from T
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and he's on city council there and on
the fire department, right? So okay,

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we'll start over here. Can you introduce
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» My name is Sheila Helman, Turner County
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» Turner County. Okay,
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» I'm Jim Bo with Perry Township.
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first city
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» Mike Philippy Grand Township
Delaware Township Alan River

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Township
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» Arlland Hagen Grand Township and
Jonathan Hagen Grand Township

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» great well thank you for taking some
time out of everyone's busy schedule and

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coming here tonight. So, um there'll be
plenty of of time for um sharing and

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discussion, too. And um I just want to
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um the public has anything visitors to
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some open general discussion time later
too but but if there's anything from

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visitors to be heard tonight want you to
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Okay let's move on to the first one new
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presentation. So Sharon and um Justin
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» Yep. So Justin, you're gonna kick it off
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agenda item will kind of flow into uh
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you've got questions, maybe wait till
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feel free to ask and then we'll try to
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» Yeah. All right. So Justin Paper from
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background on uh where I kind of get all
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working with all these different
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work with are direct contracts like
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I'm also part of the rural service
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South Dakota and I work with I think
we're up to 40 now different agencies

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across South Dakota. Uh, so a lot about
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now comes through part of that platform
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pretty cool things that we'll talk about
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Lincoln County that I don't directly
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a smaller service. So as we're kind of
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different kind of visuals that I have on
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not in there. Uh they are a a very small
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the numbers very much at all, but just
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the packet that I'm going to be going
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want to grab uh and kind of walk through
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the way that I broke it out. So,
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trying to do is is be what I call agency
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you guys what EMS looks like in Lincoln
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communities across Lincoln County, but
nothing in here is specific to just one

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service. So, when you go to the page
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the actual EMS calls within the city of
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their calls. Same thing with TE and
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it's not going to just be primary
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other services and they're all in here.
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kind of have basically two pages for
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two pages is all of Lincoln County. So
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of the services that respond to all of
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very top third of the page is kind of
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the last 12 months of EMS volume for the
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right hand side, this is kind of the
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get uh you know basically 70 80% of the
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we can train what's called a machine
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South Dakota EMS looks and feels like
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is going to look like in the future. And
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do I train the model on each of the
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there are models that is just specific
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month and he gets to see for his
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but we also train it on all EMS data
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interesting to see how things kind of
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like an illness that that starts up in
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to Chamberlain and they move to Rapid.
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help the services better understand when
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And so I send them a monthly report and
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hey you know that the report's showing
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month in volume because of uh XYZ
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hand side uh that it's predicting uh
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Lincoln County next year. So a modest
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large increase. Uh, one thing that's
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is true of a lot of East River counties,
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the data. Uh, when you go and you get
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Hill City that I work with, they're so
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volume in May, June, July, and August
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of the year. So like the the way that
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like that is different because they have
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volume half of the year and then half of
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year. So it's actually sometimes kind of
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you kind of know what to expect uh for
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use resources uh for that. Uh the middle
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is the last five years of volume for the
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volume was in 22 23 24 and 25.
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some noticeable variance in it. We see
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then back above uh725 again. Uh, one
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and for really public safety in general,
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incredibly weather dependent, uh, if we
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some terrible March flooding and some
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spikes. If we get, uh, terrible winter
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at night, you're going to see five, six
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normally expect. So, timing of weather
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entire year sometimes. And so I wouldn't
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and small reductions in volume because
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see for for Lincoln County the overall
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30 seconds. And that's from time of
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includes both the in route time uh and
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that number to uh you know 40 other
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it's very good. Uh there's a lot of
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10-minute average response times across
the county. Uh so you guys have a very

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good thing going here in terms of what
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entire county. And we'll kind of get to
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page, too. Uh then the second page of
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is a is a bar chart of the different
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responded to. So we can see that the the
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is probably the case for over half of
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they have a a large hospital station or
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medical base out there, then EMS
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Uh but really when it comes to like 911
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top two is uh is far and above the most
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you go down what some of the more common
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county. Uh the colors of the bars
actually mean something. So the volume

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you're looking at right there is
actually the volume of those calls over

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the last two years. And then the color
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that type of call from the two years
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four years. So over the last four years,
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and gray means it's basically dead even.
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reduction in that. Uh sick person calls,
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green. So it's probably and the legend
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shows you what that represents. And it's
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what I did find interesting as I was
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County really was that for basically
every single jurisdiction across the

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board, [snorts]
injury accidents were down two years

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compared to the two years previous to
that. Uh so I I just started working

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with with Linux and these guys just this
last year. here. So, I don't have a ton

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of experience with Lincoln County, but
if you guys have been making changes uh

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in terms of like putting up uh traffic
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uh driven areas, uh it's it's down
consistently everywhere across the

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entire county. So, if you guys were
looking for some data to support some of

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those decisions you've made, that
certainly supports it because that's a

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it's a really really good sign. Uh the
very bottom third of the page is volume

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by hour of day and it kind of shows you
where we see the most EMS volume by time

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of day and where we see the least. Uh
when you get to, you know, kind of 1700

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calls across an entire county where you
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this is a very common uh arc that you're
going to see where the the volume starts

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to pick up at about 8:00 in the morning
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8 and 10 p.m. at night. Uh and then
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what we talked about is just going to
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first one is then going to be for Linux
where we're looking at Lennux's volume

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uh and their average response time
within the city of Lennox which is 6

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minutes and 42 seconds. It is the uh the
fastest service in the county. Uh and

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then the next page after that is again
the types of incidents that we see again

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within the city of Lennox. Uh so it's
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within the boundaries of the city of
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as you kind of go through the different

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cities, uh they each kind of have a
little bit different variance to when we

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see volume start to increase. Now during
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than night and you'll see some of them
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the middle of the day whereas like Linux
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in the morning when people are leaving
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night people are coming home which is
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be very very similar where you're going
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prevalence and that in that growth kind
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have a lot of significant commuter
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Uh so then after Linux then it's to
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volume for the city of Canton. Again,
this is not the Canton service. It's the

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actual city. Uh and then what the
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of Canton, which is just over 7 minutes.
So again, uh very very fast for the

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municipal ambulance. And then the the
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Canton. And please again, if you have
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feel free to interrupt me. I just didn't
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too deeply into each and every uh one of
the cities. This is more so meant to be

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keep this as kind of like a resource for
you guys. So as people ask questions

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about the volumes in different parts of
the county in certain cities and what

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the response time look like we now have
this resource and we can kind of update

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that at any point. Uh we have Beersford
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that we have a slight increase in uh the
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to just be clear that that's a direct
side effect of the model they use which

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is just a BLS volunteer service. So they
don't have, you know, actual people

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getting paid 247 to be somewhere to be
able to respond right away. So their

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actual drive times are very very fast to
where they're getting to. It's a matter

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of getting the responders to the
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to be able to actually respond to the
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biggest barrier to that. But in terms of
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from time of dispatch to knock on the
door, that's that's very good. Like make

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no mistake, that's a very fast uh
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there's nothing wrong with that
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And then we have the next two after that
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u they have what's interesting and I
don't know if I've ever really put a

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finger on the why. Uh but their their
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variance tends to be quite high. Uh just
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month in volume. Like you can see on the
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months. I'm looking at the top left hand
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Harrisburg one in blue where it says
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like the first part of the last 12
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last 12 months. So it actually starts in
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all a sudden it's 30 like that. That's
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basically three times the volume one
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that can make it very very difficult to
predict what that volume is going to

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look like when you have that level of
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that go into it. Uh Canton's volume, I
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quickly. There's one thing I did want to
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volume is is the highest. Uh and if you
look at the types of calls that they

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run, you'll notice that at the very very
top and in bright green it says transfer

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in a facility. Uh this is a very common
side effect uh of a uh municipality that

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has a hospital. There just there's a lot
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hospitals. Uh and then second to
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centers, it's going to be nursing homes,
it's going to be senior housing. uh they

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tend to be uh probably four or five
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and so Lennox has some of those
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reason for for some of the increases in
their volume as well but that was one

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thing they want to touch on with Canton
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last two years and uh second most common
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137 so hospital creates some truly
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Harrisburg. So again, their volume is
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overall average response time is 12:25.
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Again, it's a side effect of not having
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the town uh to respond to the call. But
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I I don't want somebody to look at 11
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and think for any reason that that's
like a negative thing. like that's a bad

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thing. Uh that that that is still very
solid in in the grand scheme of things

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in terms of EMS responses across South
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worth noting uh that for all of these
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all of the areas that I've marked it
where you have the average response

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time, this is all calls. So this is
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where they're responding red lights and
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they're responding flow of traffic. Uh
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as a general rule of thumb, you can
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call. That's about what we see. Uh in
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savings for the use of red lights and
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minutes uh for a non-emergent call. So
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averages, uh you know, 9 minutes for an
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non-emergent call is probably a better
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I did put warning in here. They they are
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make sure that every uh every city that
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data set at least got a paid so that
they could see what their volume was. Uh

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it again very consistent one one to
three calls basically every single month

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and they're a little bit more
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geographically diverse from the nearest
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just a little bit higher too at about 13
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for rural South Dakota is is still very
very strong. And then the last two pages

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of the of the actual breakdowns is uh
all rural townships. And this would also

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be inclusive of any small municipal
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just just one or two calls per year. But
this is going to show you what the

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responses look like to to rural
townships where they have to respond

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outside of uh any city that they're
based out of. Uh we can see what the

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volume is and again the volume is is
very very steady. Uh 400 uh is what it

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was last year. We kind of again we we we
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I do expect uh that we're probably going
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over 400 calls again uh over the next 12
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has been very very consistent. not going
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for 5 years uh at uh about 13 minutes
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long. So very very good for response
time for a rural area. Uh when you start

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talking about rural calls, this is where
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and calls like that dominate the
incident types. And so with the rural

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townships, 258 injury accidents is the
most common incident type we see across

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rural Lincoln County. a sick person at
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almost two and a half times more likely
to run in injury accident than anything

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else.
Uh after you get through the different

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community breakdowns, then there's a a
geographic response area breakdown and

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just shows you uh both by city, but then
also each of the townships, what the EMS

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volume looks like uh across each of
those areas, what it's looked like going

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back to 2021, and then what the total is
for the last five years plus. And then

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it also tells you at the very end what
that represents in terms of a percentage

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of the whole of the piece of the pie of
Lincoln County EMS volume that those

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places are actually accounting for. So
as you kind of guys dive a little bit

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deeper into kind of any type of
equitable funding conversations. This is

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a really useful thing to come back to uh
because it it it's the most objective

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way that you can really look at it. Uh
the last page that's on here is just

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showing you guys where the services you
have uh in Lincoln County. I also

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included Centerville because they do
have some some responses in here as

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well. So you can kind of see
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where they would be able to get to in x
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10, 10 to 15, 15 to 20. So you can kind
of see what the coverage looked like

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across the county. Uh, I'm guessing uh I
wasn't around when this was first built

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many many moons ago. I don't know if
anybody was around when they had these

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initial conversations, but uh there was
there was clearly some intelligent

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design uh to where these services are at
because they are they are very very well

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placed uh for being able to cover
Lincoln County. I mean, the entirety of

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link if there was anything that was over
1959, it would show in white and there's

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no white at all on the map. So the
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covered in under 1959 from a response
time perspective. Uh which is I I if I

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had to guess maybe 5% of the state could
say that. So it's very very good to have

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this level of coverage. Uh I would do
everything in your power to protect uh

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this level of coverage because if you
lose it, you're not going to find it

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again. So this is it's awesome. I love
the fact that you notice how the the

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green areas, even the lighter green is
what I would still consider exceptional

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coverage includes the entirety of the
interstate. So there's no place in

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Lincoln County on the interstate where
you're not 1459 away from an ambulance

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or closer. Uh which again that I don't
even know how many counties across the

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state of South Dakota would be able to
say that. There are places that are

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maybe 30 or 40 or 50 miles from the
nearest provider. So to have the entire

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interstate coverage and green like that
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Um, I think that's Does anybody have I
talk very fast. I apologize for that. I

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try not to. I try to think about it as
I'm talking, but sometimes I just get

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ahead of myself. I get excited. I like
talking about that. I'm just a nerd. But

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does anybody have any questions about
any of this stuff?

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» When an accident happens on the
interstate and there needs to be an

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ambulance response there, is that
assessed to the township in which that

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interstate lies? So for instance, it
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Interstate does.
>> Exactly. Right. So basically when when I

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get the data for these calls, I will go
through and I will actually figure out

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to the literal latitude longitude point
where the call was at. So a lot of times

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it'll be like mile marker 71 a quarter
of a mile south of I will go on to the

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map. I'll find the actual mile marker on
the interstate. I'll go a quarter mile

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south and I'll pinpoint it right there.
So that way we know when we do

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geographic summaries like this, it's as
accurate as it possibly can be. And so

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yeah, if it's actually probably all of
the interstates going to be real, you're

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right. It would go, it would flow
>> if it's outside of municipality.

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» Yeah, it'll flow.
>> Yep. Exactly right. Yep.

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» Any other questions from the group?

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a lot of good information. All right,
Sharon.

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» Okay, so I will be using this um
handout.

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Um my name is Sharon Johnson with um
um project solutions depends on the day.

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Um but [snorts] Justin and I received a
contract through the department of

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health for the services designation
grant. Um, and that one's in late 2024.

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Um, and it will end in November 2026.
Um, with that contract, I can provide,

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uh, Justin and I can provide free
technical services to any ambulance

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services in South Dakota. We have been
working with Linux and the city of

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Lennox since February of 2025,
and they have been working really on

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this model since 2022.
So we were really we had a starting

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place to start and now uh we're going
from there. So the value proposition of

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Linux is going from um a part-time model
or a volunteer like a part-time um

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» hybrid model to um a paid staff model.
So, the volunteer EMS model across the

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United States has reached its limit and
cannot ensure a long-term reliable

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emergency response. Um,
if you there's a and Ellen helped me,

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there's um if you subscribe to Amazon
Prime, there is a um it's called

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Honorable, but um it's EMS and crisis.
Um, and it's an amazing uh documentary

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on uh across the nation how EMS across
the United States is in crisis. It's not

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it wasn't built like police and fire. It
was built really kind of differently. In

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fact, the first um the first uh EMS
folks were actually um corn or like morg

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morgs and corners and hur like a hearse
would come in front of your house and

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pick you up. um or somebody would bring
you in the back of the truck or back of

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the car and take you to uh the
ambulance. It wasn't really until the

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70s really until uh EMS became so it's
pretty late in the game and by that time

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um it was kind of a hodgepodge of how
EMS was put together. Some are paid,

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some are uh volunteer and um we'll go
through that model. But um in South

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Dakota um for example um there is among
this um eight states that have fewer

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than three ambulances per 10,000 square
miles. So again, you're pretty lucky in

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this county. We're working with counties
that have one ambulance. Maybe they

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don't have any ambulances. Um, paid
volunteers are paid $3.25 per hour when

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on call. An EMT is u paid $15 per hour.
A paramedic is paid $23 per hour. Um, so

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think of that and when you're thinking
of what they're doing every day, um,

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with the vicarious trauma and burnout,
um, EMTs and paramedics have a higher

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rate of divorce, PTSD, and suicide. They
work with really dangerous conditions uh

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including exposure to bodily fluids and
physically violent patients and it is

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backbreaking work. So this is really
hard work. So again the value value

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proposition
um is going from a hybrid model to a

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24-hour 7-day a week coverage. Um and um
the city of Lennox right now is bearing

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the cost the entire cost to the
ambulance service for their jurisdiction

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and they are uh speaking for Danny the
and the city council um it is uh as

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those costs get greater it's harder and
harder to bear for just the citizens of

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the city of Lennox.
So what we looked at were a couple of

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funding options. We looked at um
equitable funding. Oh, do you have to go

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Okay. Um, equitable funding within the
ambulance jurisdiction

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um and an ambulance district. So, we
looked at really three different laws.

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We looked at what if we just kept the LX
ambulance in the city of Lennox where

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it's at right now. And then we the
second option we looked at was what if

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we built a station uh and expanded the
jurisdiction to T. So right now it just

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comes up to T but it doesn't go into the
city limits of T. So um so what if we

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built and so we could split the
difference between Lennox and T. And

409
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then the other the third option was what
if we had two stations per se one uh

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where we had manpower here in the city
of Lennox and we had manpower uh in the

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city of T um dedicated manpower. Um then
for each one of those scenarios, we

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looked at what would be what what would
it take for to fund it through an

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ambulance district. And we'll talk about
what an ambulance district is in a few

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minutes. And then what would it be if we
equitably split the costs

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um by population and then the third
scenario was what if we split it by call

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volume. So it's based on what Justin has
done.

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So I know this is very tiny um but the
so what we looked at was a the current

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Lennox jurisdiction and then we also
looked at what if the jurisdiction was

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extended to the city of T
and to be clear um for those of you that

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00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:30,000
don't know the city of T and the city of
Parisburg do not have their own

421
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:35,440
ambulance services uh they're served um
from the north by this uh PCMS are out

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00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:42,079
of the city of Sou Falls and then from
the south they're um covered by Canton

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and by Lennox.
So Lennox is an advanced life support

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00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:55,040
service and I think you may have heard
Justin say ALS or ELS. So we'll talk

425
00:34:50,720 --> 00:35:03,680
about what that is. So um a basic life
support is um you know provided by EMTs

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00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:08,000
and it's basically noninvasive life
saving care and um if you want to get

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00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:13,200
more into if you have questions
regarding that I'm going to turn it over

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00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:21,599
to Alan. Um but you have two ALS
services in Lincoln County, Lennox and

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Canton. And um they are um they have
medics or paramedics on uh on staff and

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00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:34,320
they handle more complex and invasive
interventions. Um so they can do cardiac

431
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:39,839
monitoring and um interpretation. They
can do IV therapy, fluid administration,

432
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:45,599
medication administration, advanced
airway management and management of

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:51,760
cardiac arrest, severe trauma, stroke,
advanced medical emergencies. I've told

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:57,680
my kids I said if I get into an accident
I hope it's somewhere where there's an

435
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:03,920
ALS ambulance but much of South Dakota
is not covered by ALS ambulances

436
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:09,599
most are covered by BLS ambulances
and uh I hope that it's somebody from

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00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:17,040
[clears throat] like if I saw Ellen uh
and I was in an accident I would I would

438
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:25,119
feel safe. Um so Lincoln County, Lincoln
and uh county and Turner County um has

439
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:29,680
um in Lincoln you have um again six
ambulance services. We don't list well I

440
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:36,480
guess Sou Falls is in there. Um so sorry
five Lennox Canton those are and Sou

441
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:43,599
Falls are your three ALS services. Um
Hudson uh is a BLS service. Now they

442
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:51,280
take about um when I about 20 calls a
year. They're not very busy, so maybe

443
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:58,960
one or two a month. Um, and then
Gearsford is also a basic life support

444
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:02,560
service, and they also take um, uh, they
also volunteer model.

445
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,200
» Sorry, I I just got to circle back real
quick. Now that you said Beersford, it

446
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,560
reminded me of something that I forgot
to say as we were going through this,

447
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,240
and I apologize. Uh, so one thing about
Beersford that's worth stating is that

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00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,320
they they exist on the county line,
right? So only part of Beersford is

449
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,000
actually in Lincoln County. So when
you're looking at these numbers, the

450
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:25,280
front page where it's all Lincoln
County, this is inclusive only of the

451
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Lincoln County portion of Beersburg,
>> right?

452
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:32,880
» If you go to the Beersburg page, it's
all of the city of Beersburg. I didn't

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00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,839
want to like put just the 70 or 80 calls
that they have in [clears throat] the

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00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:39,359
Lincoln County portion of Beersburg on
my Beersburg page because it would make

455
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:43,359
it seem like their volume was much lower
than it actually was. So the Lincoln

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00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,440
County page is truly all Lincoln County
calls only that part of Beers that's in

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00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,000
Lincoln County, but the Beersburg one is
truly an overview of the city of

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Beersburg.
>> That's the highway. That's is that the

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county line?
>> Yep.

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00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:59,280
» And Centerville is kind of the same way.
They have they go into a little bit of

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00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:04,160
of Lincoln County. Yep.
>> So in Turner County, the Atlantics is

462
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:10,079
the only ALS service and then
Centerville, Hurley, Marian, Parker, and

463
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:18,400
Viber are all the LS services. So you
can see on this map um slide 12 um where

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the services are. Um and um it kind of
complements the last page of Justin's

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00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,800
handout.

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So, um I'm going to skip to 15 because
um Justin talked about the call

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locations and where where you're being
served. Um so, ambulance service costs

468
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:47,920
are really broken into two areas. The
cost of the service or the cost of

469
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:54,160
driving out providing the service and
then the second um cost consideration is

470
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:57,920
the cost of readiness. So you have to
have a station, you have to have

471
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:03,359
vehicles, you have to have people there
uh on ready to be to be called out. Um

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so first we're going to talk about the
ambulance service cost, the cost of

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service. So that is the cost of
responding to an emergency including

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00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:17,680
salaries, advanced life services,
equipment, fuel, and supplies. Sometimes

475
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:22,720
supplies can be very very expensive uh
to keep somebody alive while

476
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:30,880
um reimbursement from insurance and
self-pay uh doesn't even really cover

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00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:38,800
the cost of those um service calls. Um
so the next three uh slides on there um

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the large the the large blue um blue
areas right up here those are what is

479
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:54,800
charged to the insurance company. Um and
on average um um they get um for like

480
00:39:52,800 --> 00:40:00,560
well market advantage they're getting uh
the insurance pays about 23% of the

481
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:07,440
bill. uh Medicare uh with Medicaid
Medicica uh secondary paid about 29% of

482
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:13,119
the bill and medic um
uh for a BLS call for an ALS call which

483
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:20,880
is slightly more expensive
um it paid 34% of the call and with

484
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:27,359
Medicaid it pays about 19 or 20% of the
call. So you can see that for example um

485
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:31,520
the city of Lennox has their rate sheet
on the city website. So if you want to

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00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:37,920
see what every call is you can just go
to the uh they're very uh Lennox is very

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00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:45,200
um transparent in their cost. So you can
see what cost it it is. Um the cost of

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00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:49,920
readiness um includes again
infrastructure, the station, the

489
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,320
ambulances, major equipment, personnel,
training, insurance, you know,

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00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:58,640
everything it costs to um have a
business.

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00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:03,760
So um equitable funding within the
current ambulance jurisdiction. Um we

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00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,319
were looking at the city of Lennox, the
city of Worthing and the city of

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00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:13,440
Chancellor actually wanted to join this
jurisdiction as well which I think is

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00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:20,240
really wise uh considering the poet
plant uh there and other um uh

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00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:24,280
activities around Chancellor um Lincoln
County and Turner County

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00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:33,680
um with uh the city of T decided to uh
join the jurisiction or the expanded

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00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:39,119
jurisdiction, they would be included as
well.

498
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:46,560
So again, you can't see a lot of this,
but essentially

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00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:52,160
um for um it would be the the most um I
would say economical cost even with

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building a new station would be having
um an expanded district with the city of

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00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:08,800
T with a station in between. um uh T and
Lennox and having we'd have about a six

502
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:15,440
or seven uh minute response time and uh
the funding would be uh more equitable

503
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,440
um between all of the the jurisdictions.
Um,

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00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:29,520
we also, um, and again, if you guys need
any of these slides, just let me know

505
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:36,240
and I can send them to you. But we also
looked at um what the cost would be if

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00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:43,520
um Lincoln County did not um Turner
County um uh has been really um um

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00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:51,200
um
they see the value of this epic model

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00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:56,960
and because the um of the you know the I
guess the call volumes that you guys

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00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:03,040
have um it's really a great um
investment for you and so far it's been

510
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:06,560
they received it very favorably. Um, but
we did look at because of the back and

511
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:11,440
forth with Lincoln County, we also
looked at what would it look like if

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00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:18,079
Lincoln County did not participate and
we looked at some of that the township

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00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:23,280
um pulling in some money and um so
hopefully we can work that out um so

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00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:31,040
that I'm not trying to be too political,
but it would be much much more fair for

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00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:35,280
Lincoln County to pay that that bill.
Um,

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00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:39,280
I will say that, you know, depending on
what township you're in, it would be

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00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,280
between
um,

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00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,280
I'm sorry, I can't read this. It's so
small.

519
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,839
» I might, what I might do is I might open
it up on my computer and look at it and

520
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:02,640
then I can go through um, county u,
township by township.

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00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Um let's go through the ambulance
district. Um

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00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:12,640
but the ambulance district is um it's
something that there's like 22 ambulance

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00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,710
district in the state of South Dakota.
It's very popular especially in western

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00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:18,880
South Dakota
>> [clears throat]

525
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:26,000
» um where the counties would rather have
a tax district than have a um uh which

526
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:35,680
is a mill levy on your property taxes or
with your property taxes. um then have

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00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:40,319
um pay into a an ambulance um an EMS uh
service. So an ambulance tax district in

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00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:45,920
South Dakota is a special purpose
governmental agency um established to

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00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:52,640
fund and manage emergency medical uh
services within a defined geographic

530
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:57,200
area. Uh these districts are created uh
to ensure that communities particularly

531
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:04,400
in rural or underserved regions have
access to timely and reliable uh

532
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:11,839
ambulance services. So um this is guided
by codified law 34-11A.

533
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:17,680
Um, and essentially what you can do is
you can have a maximum tax tax levy um

534
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:22,160
for operating cost and it's capped at 60
cents per $1,000 of taxable property

535
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:28,800
valuation
um for operating cost and 50 cents per

536
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:33,680
uh $1,000 of valuation for capital cost.
So capital costs could be like for

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00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:40,319
example an ambulance.
And so um here um each ambulance

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00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:44,560
district is um governed by a board of
directors elected with residents within

539
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:49,920
the district. So instead of the city of
Lennox overseeing the len um or the city

540
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:54,079
of T or any other city it would be
governed by a board of um a board of

541
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,920
directors. So there would be say for
example five board of directors. So you

542
00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:03,680
probably have heard about Davidson
Hansen County. So, for example, uh in

543
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:09,359
Mitchell was surveying Hansen and
Davidson counties and they just couldn't

544
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:15,599
afford to go out to these rural um
places anymore. So, they've um passed a

545
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:22,000
ambulance district and then after that,
right after that, they um elected a

546
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:27,680
board and then the board now manages
that uh ambulance district. And the

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00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,680
board decides, which is important, what
the mill levy will be, what the budget

548
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:36,480
will be, what the gap between the
insurance and the um the operating costs

549
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:42,560
will be. And they can do that really in
a couple of ways. They can either do

550
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:49,040
like a flat no levy on properties. So
like for example

551
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:55,359
um if if it's 35 cents you know for
example for us or for Lennox it could be

552
00:46:51,839 --> 00:47:00,319
35 or 45 cents it would be that would be
straight across the board. Now on

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00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:05,760
valuation of a property if I own a house
in um say Worththing and it's worth

554
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:11,200
$100,000
the valuation would be probably would be

555
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:17,280
92% of that. would be $92,000
times um 35 or 40 cents and then that's

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00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:24,560
what I would pay. So it would probably
be about $40 a year that I would pay. So

557
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:29,280
um now what what Davidson Hansen County
did and what a couple of other counties

558
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:34,400
in South Dakota do is they do a special
assessment. So they look at uh they go

559
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:40,079
through the this is a really big job,
but they have the auditor download every

560
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:45,200
single property uh in the county or in
the ambulance jurisdiction. And then

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00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:49,920
they say, "Okay, these are owner
occupied uh houses, these are

562
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:54,880
businesses, these are apartment
buildings, this is industry. We are

563
00:47:52,560 --> 00:48:01,680
going to put a special assessment on
those. We are not going to assess

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00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:08,960
agricultural land." And so that's what
they did. Uh in Hansen Davidson County,

565
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:14,480
it ended up to be about $250
uh for every property. Um and it kind of

566
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:19,359
varies a little bit, but essentially
that's what it kind of averaged out to

567
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:25,760
be. And so that is kind of like
insurance you could say for so say that

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00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:31,520
I own again a property in Worththing and
I assess $250 a year. that ensures me

569
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:36,240
that when I call the ambulance, that
ambulance will come to my house. So,

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00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,319
it's really it's not up to the city of
Lennox. It's not up to the Lincoln

571
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:44,400
County Commissioners or the Turner
County Commissioners or anybody else.

572
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:49,119
It's up to the people that you vote into
that board to determine what that looks

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00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:53,160
like.
So um

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00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:02,319
and on the slide 32 that's a current
ambulance district that are in the state

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00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:06,960
of South Dakota right now. You can see
um for example point which is not too

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00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:13,440
far from here. So there are some that
are in this area, Wagner, like Gent um

577
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:18,160
that have very successful um tax
districts or ambulance districts that

578
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:25,359
they've been managing for many many
years. So um I apologize

579
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:30,000
that the slides are so small. I um and
that the you can see the numbers, but

580
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:32,800
what I'm going to do is pull up those
numbers right now. knowing if you have

581
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:39,119
any questions regarding your particular
township and what scenario you would

582
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:46,240
like to look at. Um I think the safest
scenario from now would be the single

583
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:51,920
ambulance right here uh located in um uh
in Lennox, you know, um because we don't

584
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:59,119
know what the city of is going to do
yet.

585
00:49:53,839 --> 00:50:04,480
So on this sheet um there is a single
sheet and it has Lincoln County

586
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:09,680
Ambulance Services on it and um what I
did is I called all the ambulance

587
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:15,839
services and um essentially interviewed
them and we had um you know the call

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00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:24,160
volume is on the the it's the same as
what uh Justin provided um but it's by

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00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:29,200
year 23 24 25 And I will have to say to
you, even though Beersford and

590
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:32,960
Centerville have not a lot of deficit,
it's because they don't have they're not

591
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:37,680
paying they don't have a paid, you know,
they are not paying people um to be on

592
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:42,880
their service. It's primarily a
volunteer service. They are paying them

593
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:48,640
like when they go on call for example.
And they do a ton of fundraising. So

594
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:56,000
they're they're out there really working
the streets getting um people to pay um

595
00:50:52,990 --> 00:51:03,280
[clears throat] uh through chair
um fundraising, rodeos, etc. And so um

596
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:09,520
Hudson didn't get back to me, but again,
they're about 20 per year. Um and then

597
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:14,079
you can see the average deficit for with
their current model, not with the

598
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:19,359
proposed model, is about 128,000 a year.
Sanford can't uh can't inwood ambulance

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00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:24,640
uh which is um one of the few ambulance
services that's run out of a hospital in

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00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:31,760
South it's very rare most ambulance
services are either run out of the

601
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:38,640
county or by the city um and um Sanford
there's very I don't know 12 maybe

602
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:42,079
hospitals ambulances or less than 10
>> that Sanford has

603
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:47,040
» no that any hospital
>> sometime

604
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,079
not feels like it feels like it's single
digits

605
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:55,760
» and you know why would that be? Any
guesses?

606
00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:00,960
» It's a money losing proposition and the
hospitals don't want to have this is

607
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:04,400
really kind of a loss leader for them
and [clears throat] um so the reason

608
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:08,480
that they have so many transfers is
because they give them to and then they

609
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:14,640
transfer them to their main campus their
main campus in Sou Falls. Um, right now

610
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:20,960
they're only staffed 6:00 a.m. to 6:00
p.m. and then they're on call uh 6:00

611
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:24,480
p.m. to 6:00 a.m. They would also um
they've been watching Lennox very very

612
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:29,119
closely. They would like to do what
Lennox wants to do which is going to

613
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:36,400
fully staff model. Um and then that
would cut down their uh their times as

614
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:40,960
well. Um but that would mean that their
deficit would double uh essentially. So

615
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:47,440
it be $460,000
of in deficit. So

616
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:52,240
but there's a little um paragraph on
each one of the

617
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:57,760
of the ambulance services if you want to
learn more.

618
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,920
Okay, that's all I got.
Questions for Sharon? She's going to

619
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:06,240
pull up her slides in case someone has a
specific question on a number you

620
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:11,680
couldn't see on the paper. questions for
Sharon.

621
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,839
» Sharon, on these
ambulance districts that are located

622
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:20,400
slide 32.
>> Yeah.

623
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:25,200
» Is there any uniformity as to the cost?
I mean, is there

624
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:32,160
not because they're very different
geographically, but I mean, is there

625
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:36,240
like are they 35 ms or they're 25 ms or
do they

626
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,160
» I think most of them range from 40 to 60
cents.

627
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:43,200
» 40 to 60.
>> Yeah.

628
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:49,520
» Do they have any of these have any
insulators on there so that they become

629
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:52,079
an independent taxing district? So, so
to speak, like a school district almost.

630
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:58,880
» Yeah.
>> So, uh are there any insulators on there

631
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:04,640
that limit the put a cap on how much
they're able to assess?

632
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:07,839
» Not I don't know the answer to that
question.

633
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,359
» Well, once the levy is set,
>> it can only be raised by the cost of

634
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,400
inflation
>> 3% of the cost of

635
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:22,720
» CP
same as us. Yeah. CPI 2%. Right.

636
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,887
» Okay.
>> Maybe Marlene's here, right? [laughter]

637
00:54:33,072 --> 00:54:37,800
[laughter]
>> We agree on this.

638
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:48,240
» Another question. Sharon, how long did
it take any of you were working with uh

639
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:51,520
Mitchell the last time? Well, I I wasn't
I wouldn't say I was working with them.

640
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:55,680
I was like I was going to their
meetings. I was interviewing them. I was

641
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:59,680
watching them closely. Yeah.
>> They had the ball they had the ball

642
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:06,800
rolling before we were hired.
>> How many of these took a long time to

643
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:11,440
get? I mean, there obviously is a
reluctance to set up a new taxing

644
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:17,359
district. There's a lot of, you know,
ground that has to be cleared. But I'm

645
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:22,240
just wondering if they had like if they
had went through a process like we are

646
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:27,520
for a longevity. I mean, how long did it
take? Years, months, or what?

647
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:32,720
» Um, I would say a like a year of
preparation.

648
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:37,680
» Yeah. So you have to, you know, the the
way that we did it is that we uh and I'm

649
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:41,520
working with Cottington County,
Yankington County, Kuster County. So

650
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:47,200
Lincoln is not the only county that
we're working with, but we so the the

651
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:53,520
the biggest thing is is you have to
determine so you have expenses and then

652
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:59,599
you have revenue. So at least you know
you'd have revenue coming in unlike say

653
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:04,720
you know other city or county functions.
So you have revenue coming in. So you

654
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:10,799
have to determine what that gap is. Once
you know what that gap is then you back

655
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:15,680
calculate based on your tax value or
your property tax valuation how much

656
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:21,680
your levy would be or how much a special
assessment would be to get there. So for

657
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:26,720
Hansen Davidson County, that gap was
$700,000.

658
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:31,440
And so they had to back calculate.
That's how they came up with $250

659
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:37,760
special assessment is because when they
looked at all their properties, they had

660
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:41,040
to take $700,000,
divide it by their, you know, the

661
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:46,559
properties that would qualify, and it
came up to $250.

662
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,760
It's essentially math,
>> you know.

663
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:52,799
» Is is that how you've got calculated?
So, you know, there's two different

664
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,960
models we're talking about. Yeah.
>> One is would be the special taxing

665
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,240
district.
>> Yeah.

666
00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:00,400
» The other is the shared resource model.
>> Yeah.

667
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:03,280
» Based on call volume, based on
population.

668
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:07,200
» So, is that how you came up with the
numbers? Yes. For for the for the shared

669
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,799
resource?
>> You got it.

670
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:17,599
» Okay. So one of the questions that for
example with um

671
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:23,119
so for example if we were just to keep
the station here and we're and Lennox

672
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:30,240
was not to serve te
um it would be the the gap that gap

673
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:37,440
would be about $400,000.
If you were to put a station in between

674
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:43,200
T and Lennox, that gap would be about
475,000

675
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:48,960
even when you put in a new model. Um,
and the reason why is if we serve T,

676
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:55,520
then that lowers the it lowers the cost
for, you know, everybody. and you have,

677
00:57:51,599 --> 00:58:00,240
you know, I baked in uh the revenue
based on the fish report of what you

678
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:06,559
guys would bring in and as far as
insurance and then if you had two models

679
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:15,760
or two like bases, one in Linux and one
of T, it would be about $850,000.

680
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:20,720
And that is very low because that just
really accounts for the manpower that

681
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:28,440
Tyson and I calculated. It does not
account for putting up a new garage or

682
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,440
any other infrastructure like that.

683
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,119
So, great question.

684
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:46,480
Uh Jim, I know that so we we met what
was it about a month ago now and and so

685
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:51,440
it it seems like there had been a bit of
a shift away from the the taxing

686
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:56,160
district model. I'm not saying that that
is totally off the table. Uh but the

687
00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:02,160
shared resource model I think is
something that the elected officials and

688
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:07,839
in in te have have grown in interest and
fondness towards looking deeper into. Um

689
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:13,440
and I think everyone that's in this
room, if it's everyone participating and

690
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:17,520
sharing some of those costs based on
call volumes, it's Lincoln County, it's

691
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:22,880
the townships, it's Lennox, it's
Worthing, it's Chancellor, everyone

692
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:27,920
sharing those equally,
I think, potentially gets us there. Now,

693
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:32,000
that for, you know, our jurisdiction and
everyone's jurisdictions means there's

694
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:36,480
not going to be a source of revenue with
a new taxing district we bring. we'd

695
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:41,920
have to find it within our own current
budgets to help to have to find fund

696
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:46,400
this somehow. So, I think we all need to
be looking at our budgets to see if it's

697
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:53,920
something that we have the capacity and
capabilities of of of helping to fund.

698
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:59,839
And I would say, you know, the the
models that that we've run so far, I'm

699
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:04,240
sure are not the only models that can be
run. Like there there may be other

700
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:09,760
options out there. you know, you as a a
township or county may look at your uh

701
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:13,760
your share of this under a certain model
and say, "Well, that's just not feasible

702
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:18,240
for us. We don't have that." Well, let's
go back and figure out what is, right?

703
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:22,960
Let's look at other other possibilities
to figure that out.

704
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:29,680
» If it's a shared resource situation,
who's who's governing that or who's

705
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:37,040
making those decisions? the city of
Lennox, the the council t, you know,

706
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:42,559
who's who's dishing that out to each
township or county then at that point.

707
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:47,359
» Yeah,
there there are benefits and risks to

708
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:52,319
all the options. Uh you could have, you
know, its own organization, but then you

709
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:56,960
you lose certain employment benefits for
your staff, like you won't be able to

710
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:00,880
offer SDRs to your employees and uh you
may be so small that health a realistic

711
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:07,839
possibility and I don't know that's the
health will be available then or not. Um

712
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:13,599
so
I I think whatever whatever solution is

713
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:17,920
is brought to the table probably needs
to include a governance structure where

714
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:21,280
it's not one entity controlling it,
>> right,

715
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:24,880
» but one is the fiscal agent and the HR
and so on and so forth. And we're we're

716
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:31,280
happy to continue in that role. I I
think um but that that that's not to say

717
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,319
that the decisions have to be made just
in this room. I I I think it's

718
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,960
preferable that there's a joint
decision-m process as it goes forward

719
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,319
because you you can't have in my mind
can't have a joint funding model without

720
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,880
having a joint governance model.
>> Right. Right.

721
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:57,520
» I'm Nate. Sorry, I came in later.
Chair, have they ever had a just since

722
01:01:54,559 --> 01:02:05,920
we're tossing out every idea, have we
ever had a hybrid where we've taken a um

723
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:10,799
joint funding and a small uh taxing
thing combo?

724
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:18,319
» Um if I understand
Kuster's so Kuster County is split in

725
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:24,160
half. So everything west of the park,
the Kuster State Park is a tax district.

726
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:30,319
everything east is not it's just kind of
a hodge podge. So right now bas their

727
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:36,480
taxing their ambulance district is very
old and they have not ever raise the

728
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:43,680
rates and so it pays for about I believe
about a third of their operating costs.

729
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:50,839
So the county does pitch in some of it.
I don't think the city of Kuster um

730
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,839
helps but the county does.

731
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:07,280
So my question so county could have a a
a district because we are so minute

732
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:12,400
other than chancellor to fund
to have all of our what I want to say

733
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:17,280
our residents pay for a minor portion of
so you could turn a county to a

734
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:22,720
ambulance district pay it to Linux and
then link how long you had there.

735
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:25,280
They're just
two different.

736
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:30,000
» You're good.
>> Yeah. Just you you'd collect it

737
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:32,799
» and then [clears throat] probably have
an operating agreement with the

738
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:38,720
ambulance service.
>> Yeah. Then send it forward to

739
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:42,480
» But I can almost guarantee you that if
you're just going to section off one

740
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:45,520
part of Turner County, you got five
other services, four other services in

741
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:49,760
the county that that
>> five may want a piece of that pie, too.

742
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,520
I agree.
>> So,

743
01:03:51,039 --> 01:04:00,000
» but we're talking about
>> and [clears throat] so I can't say that

744
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:06,319
we we're going to tax Parker to give
Lennox money for an ambulance because

745
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:09,680
Parker has their own. So,
>> I mean, yeah, we might have five

746
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:18,000
ambulance districts down the road, but
right now we're talking about

747
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:21,920
Ellen is saying 45 miles of turnover.
Um

748
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,880
the turn full turn county or just Lennox
>> Lennox portion I believe is 45 miles

749
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:32,160
» square miles and probably if you look at
that 45 miles majority other than

750
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:37,599
Chancellor
the population is mining probably

751
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:42,799
» but I will say too that Turner County
uses likes for their ALS intercepts

752
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:46,960
also. Well, I'm not just I'm not I'm not
saying that we wouldn't, but I'm I'm

753
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:53,359
just wondering. I mean, I don't feel
it's fair for me to charge Parker and

754
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:58,319
Marian to subsidize Lennox.
>> I mean, so we could do an annual

755
01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:03,200
district for the area that Lennox
covers.

756
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:07,599
» One one thing to keep in mind, uh I'm
I'm free, so don't forget that I'm free

757
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:11,760
to work with. So if we want to
geographically pinpoint every single

758
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:15,039
call that you have and and do the
equitable funding of this is exactly

759
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,319
where the calls are at like there's
nothing more objective than that, right?

760
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:23,599
Like you remove the emotion from it by
saying 8% of the calls is in that is in

761
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:28,160
that district. So 8% of the funding goes
that direction. So I I would love to

762
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:32,000
work with Turner County. You guys will
>> we are willing to work.

763
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:37,280
» That would be awesome. And we're not
talking a ton of money for Turner

764
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:42,160
County. It's like 20 to $45,000.
So yeah. And so that at that point you

765
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:46,799
would think is it worth doing a tax
district or an ambulance district just

766
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:52,319
for that stretch. Um so yeah.
>> Well, currently you have Lennox has a

767
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:57,920
jurisdiction to park
county. Correct. So essentially, if we

768
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:01,119
left that the same, Parker wouldn't be
getting taxed because they're not

769
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:06,400
they're not in that district.
>> But county itself would say we're going

770
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:11,839
to fund $50,000
to Lennox. I'm going to have to spread

771
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:16,079
that across everybody in county.
>> I can't I can't just say I'm doing a

772
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:21,760
mill levy for Chancellor. I mean unless
we do a special assessment or we or we

773
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:28,359
just do a tax I can't say
>> it have to be a special assessment for

774
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:28,359
the ones in the jurisdiction special

775
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,160
because everybody's paying that money
and then all of a sudden Parker's coming

776
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:49,680
in and then they're going to get charged
for Parker Right.

777
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:52,079
Yeah. That could be a special in that
jurisdiction.

778
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:58,079
» Yes.
>> So I mean

779
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:01,359
» in which they have a pretty good map
>> might not be residential. It could be

780
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:04,359
just farmland.
>> Yeah.

781
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:10,400
» You have to remember that if you're
going to do farmland, you're taxing

782
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:11,680
people who live
country

783
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:15,520
» and that's it. I mean,
>> you're not just farming people that live

784
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,319
here.
>> We're talking Yes.

785
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,559
» We're talking land owners that live all
over.

786
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:24,640
» Yeah. So,
whether or not you attack a land owner

787
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:27,640
that you're never going to
>> service,

788
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:34,079
Massachusetts, and wherever,
>> right?

789
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,079
» It have to be a special testament to the
res.

790
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:40,400
Yes.
>> Yes.

791
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:43,599
» That are in the dwellings there. That's
true.

792
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:47,651
» Marlene,
>> you're hiding.

793
01:07:45,631 --> 01:07:47,651
[laughter]

794
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,359
» I heard you say that you thought that
special assessment was the best route to

795
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,766
go.
>> Yeah. Just don't tell the auditor. I

796
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:01,440
said that.
>> [laughter]

797
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:08,799
» my she
>> I think there I honestly from the from

798
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:15,200
the con uh conversations that we've had
there's always a

799
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:22,719
reluctance to have a separate board set
up and set a levy independent of

800
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:28,400
anybody. I mean there that's just there
there I think there is maybe a fear

801
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:35,199
factor along but a special assessment to
me actually sounds sounds better. I mean

802
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:40,239
it's fair and equitable across the board
but I'm curious as to the other

803
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:44,480
townships for you guys. What are your
thoughts? I mean this isn't a free lunch

804
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:49,520
to sit back there in the back pew, you
know.

805
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:52,400
So I I'm curious what what's what's your
thoughts?

806
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:57,279
» Well, I think her and I just discussed
that for the Turner County aspect of it.

807
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:01,679
It would have to be a special assessment
to the residents in that jurisdiction. I

808
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:07,120
think that's the only way to
>> Well, you can't do a taxing, but I'm

809
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:12,799
curious with the rest of it.
I think I think for me the biggest thing

810
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:16,640
that if it was based on if you took out
that a land where people parcels where

811
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:21,839
nobody lived and you're looking at
residences

812
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:28,560
and maybe businesses too um because you
think of a place like like a a grain

813
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:31,839
elevator or a manufacturing facility
the the concentration of people is much

814
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:35,920
higher there and the likelihood of an
injury there is much higher

815
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:40,960
» um than like a daycare or something I
don't know Um,

816
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,400
but that that
when you take the the egg land out

817
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:52,400
looking at residences, I think that
that's a that's a reasonable approach.

818
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:57,040
» So bare land bare egg land would just be
exempt because there's nobody living

819
01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:02,719
there and nobody that going to get hurt.
I mean technically won't get hurt there.

820
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:09,239
So you just kind of leave it with the
residences and the businesses that are

821
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,239
in the counties

822
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:20,000
that you're paying. So depending on
>> I could be renting your land and you

823
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:25,280
live in Philadelphia and you're not
paying taxes and I rented the land. I'm

824
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:28,880
not paying so and I get hurt on that
land. I'm not paying. I mean, well,

825
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:34,400
you're going to bill me, though, because
I got picked up in the bill.

826
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:39,920
» I I assume you could do the special
assessment based on the

827
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:44,000
residential or commercial value only and
exempt

828
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:47,520
any value because those are known
values. They're separated values in the

829
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,840
assessment.
>> So,

830
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:57,920
the owner occupied and the commercial.
Isn't that what you indicated they did?

831
01:10:53,600 --> 01:11:01,520
there was the different the different uh
classifications,

832
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:09,199
» right? So what I so I went to the
director of for county and for turn

833
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:14,480
county and parcel by parcel they broke
down what was owner occupied and what

834
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:21,199
was egg. And so based on the
calculations that I made for this, I

835
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:26,560
didn't do a special assessment because I
I mean, you know, I just I didn't want

836
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:29,840
to make the d the directors of
equalization were already being really

837
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:35,679
nice to me. If I would have asked them
to do that, they would have really

838
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:42,719
needed me. And so um so what I did is I
I just took their um so the egg land is

839
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:48,239
valued at the valuation is 85%
in Turner County and in Lincoln County.

840
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:55,679
So if I have $100,000 worth of egg, it
would be assessed at $85,000

841
01:11:51,040 --> 01:12:02,080
and then times the no levy. So yeah, so
that's how I calculated it tax.

842
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:06,640
» Correct. That's how I did it with no
levy calculation.

843
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,679
» Yeah.
>> So I I want another question.

844
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:14,719
» Sure. [clears throat]
So, if if we did this shared

845
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:23,280
technically, okay,
how how do we determine what it's going

846
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:29,600
to cost a an average homeowner
in rural Lincoln County? I mean, we

847
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:33,920
talked about 400,000, you know, whether
we were going to have

848
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:40,400
» A or B or whatever, but can we kind of
give a perspective as to what that

849
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:43,840
really cost? So what you what the map
that you would have to do. Yeah.

850
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:47,280
» Is you'd have to So we have boundaries
around the Lennox ambulance

851
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:52,239
jurisdiction. [clears throat]
So there's like a map and the Lincoln

852
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:56,239
and and Turner County auditors have
that. What they would have to do is they

853
01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:02,880
would have to take each one of those
councils and provide to us what is

854
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:06,880
» I'll be shot in the morning.
>> Exactly. [laughter]

855
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:11,199
» Exactly. I mean, it's an exercise that
once you do it, it's kind of I mean,

856
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:16,410
it's easy to do. It's just a little bit
of work on their end to do.

857
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:18,430
» Yeah, you're leaving anyway. So, Sherry,
[laughter]

858
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:26,890
» that
right time now with the governor's

859
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:30,800
election coming up,
[laughter]

860
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:37,760
» but the shared use model based on call
up. So each jurisdiction would be

861
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:42,000
basically build annually based on call
volume like a predicted you've got

862
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:48,960
predictions of future years. So you do
that based on next year's budget.

863
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:53,280
» So then everyone would receive that
information in advance. Correct.

864
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,880
» Well, are you talking I think
>> I'm talking the share I'm talking the

865
01:13:54,800 --> 01:14:01,280
shared resources model that would be
based on call.

866
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:04,800
» Okay. Yes. So, you know, we don't
there's no funding sources, right? So,

867
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:09,440
we're not assessing.
>> Everyone is just digging in the couch

868
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,120
cushions to figure out how to keep EMS
going.

869
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:18,159
» Correct.
>> Um and and uh because I I think just the

870
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:23,120
realities I mean I I don't know where
everyone sits in the room, but the

871
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:26,640
realities of passing a a taxing
jurisdiction

872
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:32,000
might be a little bit difficult in
today's current climate. So like tonight

873
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:36,640
I think we like I think a conversation
about the shared resource model is is

874
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:42,320
important if this is going to be a
reality.

875
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:48,159
Um my question on that is
so you we have the municipalities

876
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:53,199
we know what our call volume is. We know
what that you you have numbers on what

877
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:57,040
that annual cost would look like for tea
for Harrisburg who who would

878
01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:04,000
participate, right? Not for Harrisburg,
but for tea and Worththing and um so

879
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:08,400
then there's the the township areas that
outlying areas outside of the the

880
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:13,760
municipalities. Those are both there's
two taxing jurisdictions. There's the

881
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:19,360
township and the county. How does that
get divided out uh equitably between the

882
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:23,760
township and the county in the shared
resource model?

883
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,239
» In the shared resource model right now
there's we looked at it by city of

884
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:34,640
Lennox, city of Worvin, city of
Chancellor and then at T wanted to join

885
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:40,480
we included T and expanded the
jurisdiction north. Then we looked at

886
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:47,120
Lincoln County and Turner County. So,
for example, if we were to do the

887
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:54,400
central station, the city of Lennox
would um on a call volume

888
01:15:51,280 --> 01:16:00,320
um would contribute $162,000
a year. The city of Riving would

889
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:06,640
contribute 18,000. Uh the city of Lennox
would contribute 6,000. The city of Was

890
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:12,640
that it's in there, but it's so small
that you can't see it. Sorry. 175,000.

891
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:18,800
Um,
Lincoln County would contribute about

892
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:24,400
98,000. Turner County 16,000
uh for a total of about 475,000.

893
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:31,040
» How much is Chancellor?
>> Chancellor would be um 6,000.

894
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:37,120
We also looked at what if what if
McMount decided not to participate?

895
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:44,640
What would that look like? And would we
ask if we had to ask the Lincoln County

896
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:52,159
townships
if they and if we had to do a central

897
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:59,040
location, Delaware would be 5,000. Grant
would be almost 12,000. Lynn would be um

898
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:06,000
about 9,000.
Current period would be 23,000.

899
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:11,320
Uh Lavali would be uh about 20,000. and
delri would be um about 57,000.

900
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:17,920
» So that yeah I can hear that.
>> So so that

901
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:22,320
so then so Lincoln County is
contributing a portion and then that

902
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:28,000
would just be township
>> that's so that was my question is how

903
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:34,480
that gets split up. So if in a Lincoln
County model, the township, the Lincoln

904
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:40,400
County would uh cover the cost of the
rural rule. The municipalities would pay

905
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:46,320
their share within city lines
>> and Lincoln County and Turner County

906
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:48,159
would pay for the rural. Um
>> I understand.

907
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:53,120
» Does that make sense?
>> Do you think that fees are so much

908
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:57,679
higher because of the fact that we are
covering a lot of the industry?

909
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:08,760
which I mean we have noticed has driven
up a lot of our stuff before like even

910
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,760
our numbers when we've been here

911
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,840
and yeah

912
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:20,000
» so I guess for the I have a question
where's T

913
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:26,320
» I you know I I don't think I have many
more answers to the questions than what

914
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:28,560
we've had in the past um you
We're

915
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:34,960
» Justin, I can help with that.
>> Okay, you bailing me out. [laughter]

916
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,280
» All right, so this is Ly Young from
about 200 miles away listening in. So,

917
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:46,320
thanks everyone for coming tonight. Um,
where's the city of T at? Um, city of T

918
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:50,400
is looking and saying, "Hey, um, we're
continuing to look at this and saying

919
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:54,800
what's best. Is it best to help our
neighbors out? Is it best to do this

920
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:59,440
long term? Is it best to do this short
term? Um, so we're looking at that.

921
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,440
We're also looking at what the state's
doing. You know, they've got a ambulance

922
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:10,159
funding task force coming out in the
next couple months. Um, I'm interested

923
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:13,280
in what our commissioners are doing,
especially our commissioners elect and

924
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:19,120
our current commissioner outgoing
because this has been a constant

925
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:23,280
discussion for years [clears throat] and
the commissioners have always run on

926
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,880
public safety and supporting public
safety. Well, this is public safety and

927
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:34,080
your uh commissioners in Mcook County
pay about $400,000 to support rural

928
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:37,520
ambulance. Minihaha County pays
$400,000.

929
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:42,080
Many
t or uh counties support rural EMS and

930
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:47,679
what we have from Lincoln County is
zero. So, um supporting public safety

931
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:53,520
needs to be a priority. I think that's
what all of our citizens want. As far as

932
01:19:50,080 --> 01:20:00,239
the city of T um if we go into a funding
model, whether it's equitable or whether

933
01:19:55,679 --> 01:20:05,920
it's um the by population, we still have
great interest in that. um in discussion

934
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:12,560
with the rest of you know our uh city
houses and our mayor. Uh but we want

935
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:17,840
everyone buy in. And number two is is um
we want to make sure

936
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:22,239
that we're still mobile. I mean this
will whatever we do today will not solve

937
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:27,760
the problem in five or seven years
because of the way Lincoln County grows.

938
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:31,199
So this group and I applaud Allen and uh
Nate for getting the townships in their

939
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:36,719
room and all that other stuff. I know I
know they made those calls. We need to

940
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:42,159
continue this discussion. Um but we're
you know we see the value of this. We

941
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:48,159
actually asked for a quote from PCMS to
do it for 100 or you know put a truck

942
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:53,199
down in tea and they've not done it. Um
they haven't provided us a quote. Um our

943
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:59,760
Fitch study said we could provide EMS to
our town for $875,000.

944
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:02,640
Um so how does that work? How does
response times work? How do a lot of

945
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:07,440
other stuff work? We want to keep the
conversation going, but as I look at it

946
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:12,159
as a city councelor, seeing that 27% of
the calls are in the rural area and

947
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:15,679
Lincoln County comes up with zero, um I
don't think that's right. I don't think

948
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:20,560
the taxpayers want that, right? Or want
that to be the contribution. Um so where

949
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:26,320
where we're at, we're still in the ball
game. $152,000

950
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:31,760
and $190,000 we can come up with in the
budget process, but we're not going to

951
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:37,040
ask our citizens to put more property
tax on themselves through a levy or a

952
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:44,320
special assessment. I'm very confident
of that. So, um, our contribution would

953
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:49,520
come out of general fund dollars and
making priorities um, as we all do with

954
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:54,639
city councilors and and township and
county government. So, um, I hope that's

955
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:57,760
a little bit of where we're at, but, um,
like I said, I don't think we're

956
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:03,440
interested in the taxi model. We haven't
been for a long time, and we're looking

957
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:09,199
for the county to step up and, uh, show
some involvement in this like they do

958
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:12,261
other areas of public safety.
>> Thanks, Lyn. [clears throat]

959
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,880
You want me to respond to that?
[laughter]

960
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:26,000
Lyn, I you know, I mean, it isn't the
fact that we're we're wrestling with an

961
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:31,440
$8 million deficit right now. So, it
isn't that Lincoln County is flushed

962
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:37,840
with cash. Uh I don't know that uh I
don't I think that we as a county

963
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:42,639
probably have a responsibility to be a
partner, but just to how much of a

964
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:49,520
partner that could be or that would be
or that will take place, I can't say.

965
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:53,760
But if it if everybody from townships on
down, everybody, you know, where where

966
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:59,600
townships, where does your money come
from? You come from a levy that you you

967
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:05,760
put down every year to cover your costs
for road maintenance, gravel, and

968
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:11,199
culverts and things like that. And uh is
it safe to say that a township could

969
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:17,199
levy a small portion for ambulance
coverage and then have individual uh

970
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:22,560
land our homeowners pay some? So if you
spread this over the entire spectrum

971
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:27,760
where from the cities, the counties, the
townships, and the residents,

972
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:31,520
I I don't think it would be too large an
impact because the larger base that you

973
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:37,920
can spread that over, the better you're
off, you know, and you know, so I I

974
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:45,360
can't really speak for the county. I'm
only 20% of a of a decision. Uh we have

975
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:50,159
two uh incoming uh in very intelligent
young.

976
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:53,040
You got that didn't you?
>> Anyway,

977
01:23:51,767 --> 01:23:59,679
[laughter]
>> no I think I think uh you know they can

978
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:03,520
appreciate you know the decisions and
look at our reality as well. So,

979
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:09,040
» so
>> is it safe to say is it safe to say

980
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:15,679
tonight if we were to raise our hands
that if everybody was at the table

981
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:20,719
paying a share for ambulance service
throughout the county that that would be

982
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:26,080
agreeable? Would that be would that be
safe to say without without a taxing

983
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:30,960
district without all of that kind of
stuff?

984
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:36,080
because I think we should work from that
from that standpoint. Or is there anyone

985
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:38,639
that's strongly opposed to that? Yeah,
>> I would completely agree. I think the

986
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:42,480
more people that pitch in, the better
it'll be cuz I know like one of our

987
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:46,400
numbers for worthy is over $40,000. We
can't afford that. We have a small tax

988
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:52,239
base. We cannot afford that. So, if
everybody can pitch in and we can get it

989
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:55,400
down below that, we'll absolutely
be in.

990
01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:02,719
» You spread the paint. you spread it all
over and and and then you then you have

991
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:06,639
a safety issue covered. So
>> yeah, and I can't blame what Lennox's

992
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:11,440
position is.
>> They are serving these areas outside of

993
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:14,639
their m municipality and they are, you
know, they're they're their local

994
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:18,800
taxpayers are are basically funding
those services outside. And you're

995
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:22,159
seeing the same thing. Rapid City just
sent out notices to everyone that

996
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:26,320
they're that they cover outside of the
city of Rapid and send everybody a bill

997
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:32,400
and said if you want EMS service next
year, you're going to have to pay us.

998
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:36,800
City of Oxelder, it's $400,000 a year.
Uh, you know, Mitchell just went through

999
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:40,880
this. Watertown now has has taken this
same position. So, Lennox isn't the only

1000
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,920
one that's kind of in that in this boat
of

1001
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:48,880
saying, "Hey, we're going to stop
funding outside of our city limits."

1002
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:54,400
Sharon, is it safe to say that I have a
good friend the commissioners down in

1003
01:25:51,040 --> 01:26:00,080
Yankton County where they are Yankton
County runs the ambulance service and

1004
01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:02,000
they are uh in deep trouble financially?
Uh

1005
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:06,800
» I would not say that.
>> Well, Clish tells me this all the time.

1006
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:12,880
» So, are they trying
>> are they trying to spread this out over

1007
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:19,920
a larger share? Are they trying to
reduce their uh amount of their

1008
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:26,239
uh support
and spread that out over a larger base?

1009
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:32,000
» Well, Yankton is I mean everybody's
different, right?

1010
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:36,960
» So, Yankton um their deficit between
their revenue

1011
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:42,800
» and they have an amazing billing system.
They have two builders in house and

1012
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:49,760
they're pickles and they only have a
$400,000 deficit. They have $1.5 million

1013
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:54,400
in operating expenses and $1.1 million
of revenue coming in through insurance.

1014
01:26:52,000 --> 01:27:00,960
It's very good. One of it's the best in
the state. And so they the county has to

1015
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:07,600
come up with that $400,000.
But they've actually have some their

1016
01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:16,560
billing has actually crept up to almost
$1.3 million now. So now um I talked to

1017
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:21,840
Dan Commissioner Commission last week
and um we tried to talk to the city of

1018
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:26,400
Gangen and they do not want to
participate and so now they're looking

1019
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:30,800
at doing a a tax district or an
ambulance district in the Yangen.

1020
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:33,679
the county or
>> the county

1021
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:38,880
» excluding the city.
>> Uh no, including the city, the whole

1022
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:44,719
county. There is only one ambulance
There's only one ambulance service in

1023
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:50,639
Yankton and it's Yankton County. They
serve the entire county and they go into

1024
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:55,600
what's I don't know what county I in,
but they serve.

1025
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:58,159
» Yes, we're right at the corner. It's a
mess. We're trying to geographically put

1026
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,560
them
>> in the right spot.

1027
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:05,760
» Yeah.
>> Throw rockets in a different county.

1028
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:10,960
» So Irene wants to be in that because
again they're they're amazing ALS

1029
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:18,400
service. They have air support down
there. They have Yankton

1030
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:21,920
Bar hospitals down there. So yeah.
So anyway, their situation is much

1031
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:28,159
different
and I if Commissioner Clemish is

1032
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:33,000
listening to this, I'm sorry, but he's
got it better than he thinks he does.

1033
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:42,719
Marlene, would you hazard a guess how
long it would take the auditor's office

1034
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:49,520
to do that
uh necessary

1035
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:52,880
function to get all that assess or that
parcels out or whatever they have to do?

1036
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,520
» Well, that would be the assessor's
office.

1037
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:59,760
» Yeah.
Well, I would assume that's probably

1038
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:02,960
going to take a little bit of time,
>> but it wouldn't be

1039
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:05,280
» very responsive to any
>> Yeah, but it wouldn't be in that

1040
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:09,440
wouldn't be all
>> No, because it's all done by class

1041
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:14,840
codes. So, I mean, it's all it's all in
their year in class codes.

1042
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,840
» Okay.

1043
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:23,040
So would it be safe to say that we we'd
get all that was done from Lincoln

1044
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:28,880
County and and the townships would have
theirs and so we could come up with some

1045
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:34,120
numbers of what it would cost?
>> Yeah.

1046
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:34,120
» I mean that's what I'd like to see

1047
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:41,120
» for all of Lincoln County or just this
Linux district. [clears throat]

1048
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:44,880
» All the affected townships that are
going to get to service. Yeah.

1049
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:53,159
So it wouldn't be all the county, it
would be just those townships that you

1050
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:53,159
mentioned.

1051
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:03,440
So Commissioner Schmidt, if I could just
add in here, um, Lincoln County's

1052
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:08,400
already seen its budget. The rest of us
are working on our budget. If you look

1053
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:14,800
at the the information that you know has
been provided by the consultants, the

1054
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:22,960
let's just go adding in the city of T um
with the current funding that she has

1055
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:27,840
with Lennox 141,000 T 152 and and so on.
Lincoln County is in its budget process.

1056
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:31,760
If you allow this group to come forward
and we've been there a couple times,

1057
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:37,280
I've been there two dozen, you know, two
or three times, probably more than that.

1058
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:43,840
um and asked for a budget from the
county and start out at whatever number.

1059
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:48,239
Pick a number 50,00075,000
that's Lincoln County's contribution.

1060
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:54,560
Then the rest of the form the rest of
the numbers come on down and then it

1061
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:59,679
gets easier for
Lynn Township potentially and the valley

1062
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:03,520
and all those other people to be there
and the numbers get adjusted that way.

1063
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:09,679
That's the way it works in Minhaha
County. Um that's the way it works in

1064
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:15,679
some of these other places is um put in
a number 75,000 and then we can still

1065
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:18,880
adjust some of these other numbers down
and we'll see. You guys are the first

1066
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:22,960
ones in the budget line. If it doesn't
get in your budget, then we'll know what

1067
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:28,159
the rest of us need to come up with
numbers,

1068
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:33,520
need to come up with funds.
Well, Lynn, in answer to your question,

1069
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:39,840
I can certainly uh propose that as we
are, we have a budget that has been set.

1070
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:45,679
I mean, on what our expenditures and
what our revenue is going to be, it

1071
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:49,840
would be another line item.
So, we would have to take that in front

1072
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:56,080
of the commission. We'd have to vote on
on that. I don't know if we have a set

1073
01:31:52,560 --> 01:32:00,560
sum that we would have. Uh uh it would
first just be the idea that would we

1074
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:06,159
participate? Would we get the three
votes to participate? You know, that's a

1075
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:11,440
jump ball as well. But I certainly lend
in answer to your question and would

1076
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:16,960
have the townships there. Uh we got to
get this thing going. We we kicking this

1077
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:22,719
thing down for so darn long. We got to
get some answers here. So, we might as

1078
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:27,314
well put that on the agenda. And uh it's
been nice knowing you all

1079
01:32:25,294 --> 01:32:27,314
[laughter]

1080
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:36,400
and and and we'll call the question and
and and it's very important for you

1081
01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:41,120
townships to be there
>> because this is serious business. I

1082
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:44,880
mean, we're not talking just money here.
You know, we can we can talk money all

1083
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:49,199
we want, but you know, it's kind of nice
to be able to call when you have an

1084
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:54,880
emergency and have somebody come and
take care of it. And it's a it's a life

1085
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:59,600
and death issue in some cases. So, uh,
we'll put it on the budget, Lynn, and

1086
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,360
we'll see how far it goes.
>> And I'll go down,

1087
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:05,520
» Commissioner.
>> I'll go down.

1088
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:13,760
» I apprec I appreciate that. I'll go down
tomorrow and uh we will uh talk to uh

1089
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:19,120
uh Sherry and I'll talk with them and
we'll get it on the agenda sometime as

1090
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:22,320
soon as we can so we get this uh some
numbers and we get this decision made.

1091
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:25,840
Okay.
>> So your your budget I appreciate that

1092
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:29,360
» your first budget hearing is September
1st

1093
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,840
» though the work has already started. The
first [snorts]

1094
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:36,080
» the first public hearing is September
1st if I remember right.

1095
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:41,280
» Yeah. Anybody looking at
budget here?

1096
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:45,360
» We'll be talking next every week.
>> We're going to be kicking.

1097
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:49,280
» We have work on the 30th.
>> Work session. Yeah, we start a work

1098
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:54,960
session on the 30th and then publish the
provisional by July 30th and then your

1099
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:59,199
first hearing September first Tuesday in
September.

1100
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:04,800
» We'll be kicking this thing around. Does
anybody here think that this is not

1101
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:08,000
doable by September to find some kind of
solution on paper?

1102
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:13,800
» Well, keep in mind that townships, we've
already had our budget for the year.

1103
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:13,800
» And I'm understand

1104
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,440
I I don't think anybody in here is all
that concerned about, you know,

1105
01:34:22,540 --> 01:34:27,440
[clears throat]
when when the money would come into this

1106
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:32,480
group. So if that means that it's a
different budget year for one than the

1107
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:35,639
other then then we'll work that out.
>> Can you

1108
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:50,239
» can I can I ask a question? So my board
members when I came here they said they

1109
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:54,639
wanted a um a taxing district.
>> Um

1110
01:34:52,080 --> 01:35:00,000
so if Turner County wants a taxing
district and you going to

1111
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:04,880
chip in? I mean, how what is how does
that affect this?

1112
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:11,199
» My question is too, my second question,
could I have maybe two or you to come

1113
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:17,120
and visit with my board because
I'm I can visit with them all I want to

1114
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:20,080
» and there's
>> they still consider me an auditor. So,

1115
01:35:19,526 --> 01:35:23,920
[laughter]
commissioner,

1116
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:27,760
» there's a there's a piece of paper going
around asking for contact information. I

1117
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:32,800
think we're going to plan on scheduling
follow-up visits with each jurisdiction

1118
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:35,840
just to to go through specific numbers,
options, plans, what what's on the table

1119
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,080
kind of stuff.
>> And I I'll bring this to them,

1120
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:44,040
» okay?
>> What our share would be, what chance of

1121
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:44,040
share would be. But

1122
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:52,400
» yeah, you could do both. I you do a tax
turner.

1123
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:55,760
» Any anybody can pass a special
assessment. Anybody could do an

1124
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:02,480
ambulance district. I suppose anybody
could could come up with revenue any

1125
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:04,880
number of ways. And I I guess that
important to the group as a whole how

1126
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:09,760
that happens.
>> Do you have to pass or do a petition to

1127
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:15,199
do the ambulance? Take it to a vote.
>> You can do just a resolution. the board

1128
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:18,199
can just do a resolution that
>> has

1129
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:26,480
Sharon, would you be available again to
come and

1130
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:30,239
kind of explain
the concept

1131
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:36,639
you know I mean it's pretty simple but
it you know we got some public that

1132
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:43,600
would be there and we get certainly get
a lot of press these days so uh u I

1133
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:49,320
think it would be good to have that kind
of explain one more time, you know.

1134
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:55,400
» And Lyn, I'm sure you're going to be
there.

1135
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:03,360
» Just a second.
>> Yeah. I mean, obviously, um, I'm

1136
01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:06,960
interested in the city of Lax, I mean,
be neither. I think it's our

1137
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:12,320
responsibility as elected officials to
come and continue this discussion. And

1138
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:19,840
as Commissioner uh Schmidt said, let's
get a three uh to two or a four to one

1139
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:23,760
or hopefully a five to zero because um
we can all agree that public trans is

1140
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:28,239
important and it's important for our
jurisdictions, but it's also important

1141
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:33,920
for the county. So, we need to know how
the county supports it. Um, and if they

1142
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:37,760
support it financially and the financial
model is the thing that's going to get

1143
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:42,480
us into the next area, not just talking
about it. Um, and now I sound like it's

1144
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:47,440
city councelor from Lennox, but we got
to move some way one shape or the other

1145
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:52,560
because T needs to make decisions, too.
And this is one thing that we need to

1146
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:56,560
know is what's Lincoln County going to
come to the table with? Is it just

1147
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:59,560
support or is it support with finances?
>> Yeah,

1148
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:06,607
feel like you were on the bubble.
>> I can right now. [laughter]

1149
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:12,639
» So, with that, we had we had some next
steps. I think we have an understanding

1150
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:17,040
what some of the next steps are. Is
there anything we need to clear up for

1151
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:19,653
anybody else for the next steps? I
>> I know I walked in a little bit late

1152
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,280
from another meeting. Did we
[clears throat] talk through an MOU at

1153
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:26,400
all? memorandum of understanding.
>> No, we did not.

1154
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:32,360
» Um, and that
>> it's one of your handouts, too.

1155
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:32,360
» Yeah. And it's it's something that

1156
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:40,719
I would view as somewhat optional, but
at some point we need to know somewhat

1157
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:44,400
formally who who's in with this idea and
who's not so that we can start putting

1158
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:49,600
actual numbers, firm numbers down on
paper because if if one township or one

1159
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:54,480
county is out or one city is in or out,
it it changes the entire formula. Uh,

1160
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:59,040
and so you know what I'm looking at is
if if if Lincoln County and I'm guessing

1161
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:04,560
Turner is on the same timet for
budgeting. Um,

1162
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:08,880
if we can all figure out by September
1st whether whether we're in or not, we

1163
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:11,840
can do that with a follow-up meeting. We
can we can have that discussion with

1164
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:17,040
these these individual follow-up
meetings. Uh, but we need to know within

1165
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:21,040
the next couple of months whether
whether your jurisdiction is in or out

1166
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:24,679
in order to pull those final numbers
together. So

1167
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:33,119
» I think I understand this but if Turner
County decides not to link our Linux

1168
01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:34,159
will not pick up our residents.
>> Correct.

1169
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:38,159
» Correct.
>> Correct.

1170
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,119
» Unless the unless the township comes up
with

1171
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:43,360
» Right. Right.
>> Or like for instance chancellor comes up

1172
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:49,440
with their share they would serve as
chancellor but the township.

1173
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,440
» Correct.

1174
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:58,639
So it' be good to have this kind of when
the question dates

1175
01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:06,320
» Lincoln County gets the fun
where are they going to get the money

1176
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:09,760
from the whole county or just is there
>> you mean where where would the money

1177
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:13,840
» where would the money from the county
budget come from the entire county?

1178
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:18,400
» Yeah, it would probably come from the
entire budget. All

1179
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:21,920
» it would it would come up from the whole
all the taxpayers of Lincoln County

1180
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,800
because it would come from our general
fund

1181
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:27,440
» and land.
>> Yeah. Everything

1182
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:31,440
» and Sou Falls.
>> Sou Falls.

1183
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:35,679
» The whole county.
>> Then would the funds be fairly

1184
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:39,880
distributed among all the ambulance
services and not just Lennox?

1185
01:40:41,134 --> 01:40:47,600
[laughter]
>> That's the question you're going to get.

1186
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:50,960
If you start giving the Lexington every
other

1187
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:56,159
» that's what Minihaha County they
distribute kind of a portion to to

1188
01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:02,880
Garrettson Rapids.
>> I understand I understand your question

1189
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:09,199
but if if we participate
we have money we don't have sequestered

1190
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:14,560
funds from any one particular area. We
collect all of our revenue from what

1191
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:19,199
owner occupied. We have our assessed
value and that's what we our property

1192
01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:26,239
taxes and they come from everybody that
lives inside Lincoln County. Okay. So if

1193
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:32,639
we participate in this thing, it's no
different than if we spend money on a

1194
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:37,280
road down in Eden Township. I mean if we
if we if we blocked off a road somewhere

1195
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:40,639
» or if you spend it on 106.
>> Yeah.

1196
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,880
or if we put a bridge or if we put a
roundabout.

1197
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:46,960
» It's all the same thing.
>> Oh, I would make it different. If you're

1198
01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:49,760
driving Exactly. If you're driving on a
road that's in this jurisdiction and you

1199
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:52,400
get into an accident, they're going to
respond.

1200
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:58,639
» Right. But I'm just saying, but I can
drive on a a road that Lincoln County

1201
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:03,040
did, Turner County did. But if I'm
living in Parker, South Dakota,

1202
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:06,800
and I have I have to call Parker
ambulance. I can't call Lennox and I'm

1203
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:09,840
being taxed for Lennox.
>> Okay. So let's say you're driving from

1204
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:12,639
Sou Falls down to Sous City from the
southern part of Sou Falls.

1205
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:15,280
» I'm going to be from that ambulance
though,

1206
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:17,840
» right? But you're driving south. We
don't give them money. They're not going

1207
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:21,760
to come out to the interstate. Now if
you

1208
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:26,000
» I get what you're saying, but
>> and we already we already budget for

1209
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:31,199
ambulance within our county for other
>> You do, but not Lennox. Even though we

1210
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:34,880
cover 45 square miles, we you guys don't
give us any money. You all have

1211
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:39,360
services. I I need to go and I mean I
was water for years and I just need to

1212
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:42,159
go and see where that money is going to.
I mean if it's going to Parker well it

1213
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:47,440
shouldn't be going to Parker. It should
be I mean we didn't realize

1214
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:50,560
what portion of you know Lennox probably
took over.

1215
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:54,480
» I can tell you in 10 years we've not
gotten anything from turn

1216
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:58,031
» and 100 because we don't budget but I
mean we don't send it. We send it to our

1217
01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:02,239
ambulance within the county
[clears throat] but I'm saying I need to

1218
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:07,520
see where it's going. I mean like is is
that portion of hometownship going to

1219
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:12,880
Parker or is it going to where where is
it going? cover home, Middleton, and

1220
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:16,280
» Germantown.
>> And then Chancell

1221
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:24,960
made sir, but you can't I mean, if if
we're dealing with tax dollars that

1222
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:29,840
comes from everybody and Yeah. And if
somebody lives in Sou Falls and never

1223
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:33,920
drives on a county road, that's that we
can't take care of them. I mean, that's

1224
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:38,639
all part of what government is and it's
all part of being a county. And you

1225
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:43,119
know, you don't separate, you don't
sequester certain funds for any one

1226
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:47,119
thing. You know, we got to take care of
our public good. We got to take care of

1227
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:51,520
the sheriff. You know, we got to do all
that kind of stuff. So, you pay for

1228
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:56,960
crime that happens up in the northern
Lake County. Okay. All right. So, I

1229
01:43:54,560 --> 01:44:01,119
mean, we all do that. So, if you want to
play that game, we can run around that

1230
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:05,360
track all night, too.
In answer to your question, everybody's

1231
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:08,360
going to pay if we got if we
participate.

1232
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:16,560
» Any other questions or clarifications
for next step?

1233
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:21,272
» Just
if I could just

1234
01:44:19,252 --> 01:44:21,272
[laughter]

1235
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:31,920
I think your immediate stabs are Linux
is in crisis. I think you need to

1236
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:39,199
address Linux. And then I think with
then Lincoln County and Turner County

1237
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:43,760
needs to take advantage of the um the
rural health transformation funding.

1238
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:49,760
They're hiring a consultant to do
regional development or regional hubs.

1239
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:55,520
And I think there's an opportunity, you
know, for the the six ambulance services

1240
01:44:53,280 --> 01:45:01,440
that prov provide services to Lincoln
County, the six ambulance services that

1241
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:06,960
provide to Turner County to do to work
more closely together to optimize costs,

1242
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:12,000
to have one medical director, for
example, versus six medical directors.

1243
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:17,760
And, you know, and there's there's some
there's probably some opportunities.

1244
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:23,679
Um, [snorts] but that's down the road
and that would be that would require

1245
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:28,400
some strategic planning uh on a county
and probably I mean if I were to do it I

1246
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:34,239
would do it for Minihaha and Lincoln
together

1247
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:39,840
um or Lincoln and uh Turner together uh
and see what the efficiencies of the

1248
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:45,199
system could be by the ambulances
working together.

1249
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:50,159
So there's I mean in Turner County am I
mean in Centerville you've got a 78 and

1250
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:54,400
a 82y old
those are your two ambulance

1251
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:58,159
» yeah like I know I know we're all in
hurting I understand that and at one

1252
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:03,600
time I know we talked about and it just
dropped it just dropped having a

1253
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:10,480
southern ambulance place and a northern
and and staffing somehow figuring out

1254
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:13,199
how to fund it how to but then it just
>> I don't know what happened to it I mean

1255
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,520
I was the auditor at that time so
commissioners

1256
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:21,600
actually.
>> Yeah. But there's a real opportunity

1257
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:24,639
here. I mean I mean there's a bowl of
money that's coming into a billion

1258
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:30,560
dollars is coming into the state of
South Dakota. Um $8 million a year for

1259
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:34,239
EMS that
I would encourage these three counties,

1260
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:39,920
Mhana, Turner, and Lincoln to take
advantage of and work together.

1261
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:46,159
Take off the political hats and look for
the greater good of your grandmother. is

1262
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:51,600
having a stroke at home, your daughter
who has a car accident on a highway to

1263
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:56,239
work, your husband, you know, who has a
work accident working at Poet and

1264
01:46:53,679 --> 01:47:03,199
Chancellor. I mean, though that is why
we're doing this. And so that I would

1265
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:09,199
let's let's address the Lennox issue in
2026, in 2027,

1266
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:12,960
then look at more strategic solutions
across these three counties.

1267
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,320
That's fine.
>> That's great.

1268
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:21,679
» Okay.
>> Dustin, any other thoughts on Mr. Data?

1269
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:25,520
» Uh, from a data perspective, I don't
think so. I just know this group, uh,

1270
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:30,320
you're not the only ones who are going
to be going through this over the next 5

1271
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:33,440
years. This is going to be an incredibly
common political atmosphere across the

1272
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:38,719
state of South Dakota in the next 5
years. Unfortunately, EMS reimbursement

1273
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:43,360
just has not kept up with operational
costs and it's changed from kind of

1274
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:48,320
neighbors helping neighbors to how in
the world do we come up with a $700,000

1275
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:52,560
deficit a year and that's the situation
that a lot of these and it goes both

1276
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:55,520
directions. We have municipalbased
services that have responded to the

1277
01:47:54,080 --> 01:48:00,320
county for years and they do it for
free. We have county based services

1278
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:03,760
where 85% of their volume is in the city
uh that the main city of their county

1279
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:07,920
and the city provides zero funding. So
we've kind of gotten away for so long

1280
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:12,480
with with not having equitable funding
in place and it's just not realistic. in

1281
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:17,040
the next five years like services are
going to go under because we don't have

1282
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:20,320
equitable funding. So like kudos to you
guys for being in the room. I know these

1283
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:24,080
conversations can sometimes be very
emotional when you're talking about

1284
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:27,360
dollars and cents and and not having
direct lineage of where the money is

1285
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:32,159
coming from and I understand how
passionate people can be about that. But

1286
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:35,840
making sure that you guys preserve the
system you have in place right now in

1287
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:40,199
these counties is really important
because it's really good. So

1288
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:48,000
Good. All right. Um, yes. Thank you
everyone for being here and I see the at

1289
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:51,840
the table and our townships especially.
Thanks for being here and encourage you

1290
01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:56,080
to continue to be a voice at the
commission link county commission

1291
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:59,679
meeting Turner County here in the city
as well. Just so we want to be able to

1292
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:05,199
represent and find a solution that works
for everybody. So, um, it's a learning

1293
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:08,960
process and thanks for being patient and
um, Nate, you've done a lot of work and

1294
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:13,280
energy and Allen with this. So, thank
you guys. Um, and thanks for being here.

1295
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:17,600
I look for a motion to adjourn.
>> So, moved.

1296
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:21,600
» I have a second.
>> Guess we'll stay here.

1297
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:28,000
» Second. [laughter]
>> All in favor signify by saying I

1298
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:32,760
» I oppos. All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you everybody.

1299
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,760
» Thank you.

1300
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:47,320
2016.

1301
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:07,771
I know. [laughter]

1302
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,800
Hallelujah.

1303
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:41,560
There are many.

1304
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,000
They are

1305
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,760
left

1306
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:25,800
in that area.

1307
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:33,880
I am
really

1308
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:57,159
territory.

1309
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:08,840
I'm like,

1310
01:52:13,477 --> 01:52:15,497
[laughter]

1311
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:27,719
» I know they do. Mark

1312
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:50,040
the camera.

1313
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:56,440
Yeah.

1314
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,520
Sorry.