1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,080 ing of the village of Leonard Zoho Board 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,480 of Appeal is to order. Let's stand for 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,759 the pledge of allegiance. 4 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:10,480 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,960 United States of America and to the 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,320 republic for which it stands, one nation 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,600 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,750 justice for all. 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Would you like to be Mr. 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,359 President Mr. here. 11 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:33,120 Swack here. 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,559 Zel here. 13 00:00:36,559 --> 00:00:37,760 All present. 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Okay. Um, so we have the agenda before 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,760 us. Would anybody like to make a motion 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,680 to approve tonight's agenda? 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,800 I'll approve. 18 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,200 Okay. And a second. 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,520 I'll second. 20 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,879 All in favor? I 21 00:00:58,879 --> 00:01:02,160 Okay, so before we get into the the 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,559 nitty-gritty of the meeting, um we just 23 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:07,200 have some procedural items that our 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,280 secretary, Jennifer Swag, is going to 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,200 read aloud. 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,880 If you need to go over this again, we 27 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,159 have to read for work through. Welcome 28 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:17,680 to the Village of Leonard Zoning Board 29 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,759 of Appeals meeting. Please listen to the 30 00:01:19,759 --> 00:01:21,439 rules and procedures for the public 31 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:23,680 hearing. There are two rules that may 32 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,880 affect our ability to proceed tonight. 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,360 First, in the public, if a public notice 34 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,600 was not posted 15 days prior to this 35 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,119 meeting, we cannot hold the hearing 36 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:35,520 tonight. We will confirm that was done. 37 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:35,920 All right. 38 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,079 Second, we must have four board members 39 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,159 present to proceed. 1, two, three, and 40 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:42,960 four. When your matter is called, please 41 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,640 stand and give your name and address. 42 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,040 The chairperson will then swear you in 43 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,040 and read the record of information we 44 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,360 have and read the record of information 45 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,680 we have for your application. input from 46 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,040 various authorities and any 47 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,799 correspondence received on your 48 00:01:56,799 --> 00:01:59,040 application. The chairperson will then 49 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,119 ask you to make your presentation to the 50 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:02,880 board. After you have made your 51 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,240 presentation, the board will ask 52 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,479 questions they deem appropriate and then 53 00:02:06,479 --> 00:02:09,920 we'll ask for comments from the public. 54 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,319 If you wish to speak for or against an 55 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:14,239 application, we ask that you wait until 56 00:02:14,239 --> 00:02:16,560 you're acknowledged. Stand up. Give us 57 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,319 your name and address. Tell us where 58 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:19,920 your property is in relation to the 59 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,840 property that is in question. And then 60 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,360 please direct your comments to the 61 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,200 board, not the applicant. We must keep a record and we cannot do that if 62 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,800 people are talking over each other or 63 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 cross conversations. If you have 64 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,400 anything additional to say, please don't 65 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,640 hesitate to do so. But keep in mind that 66 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:38,560 you'll be given only one opportunity to 67 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,599 speak. After the public has spoken, the 68 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:43,760 board may ask the applicant to answer 69 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,920 questions that may have come up as a 70 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,239 result of the public comment or for the 71 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:50,319 applicant to summarize. When the 72 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:51,920 applicant is asked to answer any 73 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:54,000 questions, if that happens, it does not 74 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,519 start a second round of public comments. 75 00:02:57,519 --> 00:02:59,840 Once the matter has been heard, various 76 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,720 things may occur. The board may decide 77 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,360 on the application immediately or it may 78 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,760 reserve decision. Reserving decision 79 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,200 does not mean that the matter is 80 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,360 approved or denied. It just means that 81 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,280 the board needs to needs more time to 82 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,440 decide. They may want to go out look at 83 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,680 the site or may want to review the 84 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,159 documents further before deciding. In 85 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:22,159 either event, the applicant will receive 86 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:24,800 the board's decision in writing in 87 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,879 writing shortly after a decision is 88 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:29,760 made. If the application is approved, 89 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,760 that does not mean go ahead and start 90 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,920 construction. A building permit would 91 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:37,840 need to be obtained. Jerus will take it. 92 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,239 Thank you. All right. So before us we 93 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:42,080 have Jennifer Arendale. Um she has 94 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,879 applied for dimensional variance for 95 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,480 4571 96 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,799 Rosie Drive. Jennifer, could you please 97 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:51,680 stand? 98 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Hello everyone. 99 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Hi. Do you affirm to tell the truth? 100 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Yes. 101 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Go ahead. Um and just one more little 102 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,080 thing is just just all for recordeping. 103 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,159 Would you just state your name for us 104 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:05,840 again and your address? 105 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,439 Jenniferale 106 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:10,879 address is 45715 107 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:13,680 uh Leonard Michigan which is in letter. 108 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Okay. What would you like to tell us 109 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,239 about your application? 110 00:04:16,239 --> 00:04:18,560 So regarding my application, we'd like 111 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,120 to put in a 112 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,280 garage which would be the size of a 113 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,120 threecar garage um a 30 by 40. By doing 114 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,600 so, if you look at the information I 115 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,280 sent, there's pictures and I have a row 116 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:35,919 of pine trees. Those pine trees are 117 00:04:35,919 --> 00:04:37,840 about 118 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,840 almost say 119 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:44,479 30 ft in front of the house, but hard to 120 00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:46,720 tell because of the way the elevation of 121 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,080 the house is. So, my house is here, but 122 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,919 then it I have my driveway and then it 123 00:04:51,919 --> 00:04:54,000 slopes down and then I have a row of 124 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,199 trees. Right behind that row of trees, 125 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,639 the previous owner put in like a pad 126 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:03,840 like to park a car in. Um, and I'd like 127 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:08,960 to put the garage right there, allowing 128 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 me to be only 22 ft in front of my 129 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,039 garage in my house. Right. So, here's my 130 00:05:15,039 --> 00:05:17,360 house. So, right here. So, you'd be it'd 131 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,680 be very difficult to see the the 132 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,919 difference from the road, but by doing 133 00:05:21,919 --> 00:05:24,880 this, it allows my property to continue 134 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,680 the drainage to the back, which is all 135 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,160 swamp land. So, it doesn't hurt the 136 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,840 drainage there. Also, due the due to the 137 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:36,720 aesthetics of Leonard Estates, 138 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,800 um it allows me to turn the garage so my 139 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,199 garage doors don't face the road. They 140 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,080 actually face my house, which is the way 141 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,080 that 142 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,440 all but one house is like that in my sub 143 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,160 is that all of the garages are turned so 144 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,639 you don't see them from the road. So 145 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,080 like you don't see the opening of the 146 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,919 doors from the road to make it a clean 147 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:03,840 um 148 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,319 look throughout the neighborhood. So 149 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:09,039 that's what I'm asking for is just that 150 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:11,680 little bit of furniture so I can put in 151 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,800 the garage there allowing a for my 152 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,680 property to drain correctly and two to 153 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,919 keep the aesthetic of my 154 00:06:21,919 --> 00:06:24,000 uh subdivision. 155 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,400 I've already gone out to the subdivision 156 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,520 to the people. I've posted it on our we 157 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,840 have a letter estates Facebook page. 158 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,720 I've posted it there. Nobody. Everyone 159 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,639 has given me thumbs up hoping that we 160 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:39,840 get it because again they don't want the 161 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,639 garage doors facing the road. Even if I 162 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:44,160 placed it somewhere else on the 163 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,759 property, 164 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:49,440 a there' be a there' be an issue in the 165 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,600 back because again my garage doors have 166 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,080 to face the road and nobody in my sub 167 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,160 would want that because again you're 168 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,240 looking for aesthetics 169 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,560 um in the type of sub that Liverstates 170 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,440 is. Um, 171 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,599 so I've also gone to and made sure that 172 00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:10,960 all of my neighbors know within the 300 173 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,599 ft of my subdivision and none of them 174 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:16,240 have an issue with the servants at all. 175 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,520 They're all hoping that I get it. Um, 176 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,160 and I just got a documentation pin on 177 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,599 that as well. Um, again, we're trying to 178 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:27,440 build it so it matches the aesthetic, 179 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,800 the architecture style of our house. um 180 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,199 there as well. So again, that it blends 181 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:36,720 in architecturally and with the way that 182 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,830 the neighborhood is. 183 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,319 Okay. Um we have any questions? 184 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:46,479 You know, at this point, what I need to 185 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:49,039 do is see if any citizens 186 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:50,960 um have any comment and then what we'll 187 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,720 do is we'll kind of like move on from 188 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,199 there to ask some questions after that. 189 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:56,960 So this is kind of like our first round. 190 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,440 So, um, is there anyone in the audience 191 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,280 that would like to make comments or 192 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,360 questions, um, for Jennifer or for 193 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,710 ourselves on this zoning variance? 194 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Okay, I'll take that as a no. So, um, 195 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,280 what we can do now is as, um, zoning 196 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,039 boarded appeals members, um, we can 197 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:20,960 direct our comments to Jennifer that we 198 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,720 might have regarding, um, her 199 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:30,790 presentation on zoning varants. 200 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,839 Um, so I um are you the original owner? 201 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:38,240 Did you build the home or was it already 202 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,039 existing? 203 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:40,240 No, it was already existing. 204 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,279 It was existed. 205 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:45,600 And was it just the home itself or was 206 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,440 it and were there any outuildings or any 207 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,480 accessory buildings? 208 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,560 No, it was just the home. 209 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,200 Okay. Is the the garage that you're 210 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,600 looking to build, is anybody in any way 211 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,040 going to live in that unit? 212 00:08:59,040 --> 00:08:59,519 No. 213 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:01,519 Okay. So, it won't be habitable. And are 214 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:02,880 there any commercial activities that 215 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,430 would be happening in there? 216 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,080 Um, 217 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,040 are there other alternatives? I noticed 218 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,800 on your diagram that you do have option 219 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:17,680 two. 220 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:19,600 Yes, option two. If I put it all the way 221 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,200 back there, that means I also have to 222 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,839 put in another driveway um on my 223 00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:28,160 property. By doing that, that's that's 224 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,560 not going to, if you want to say, more 225 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,040 of a hardship due to the fact that now 226 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,880 it's another driveway that has to go 227 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,920 onto the property. And again, you're 228 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,720 looking at the aesthetics of the 229 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,200 neighborhood. Um, and they're probably 230 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,399 not going to want me to run a driveway 231 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:48,959 straight all the way back on one side. 232 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:50,399 It would also I'd have to be careful 233 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:53,440 because I do have a well there. Um, 234 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,200 which would cause me issues as well 235 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,200 trying to get around that. 236 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:03,279 Yeah, I know. I noticed that uh on your diagram you did get us a well, 237 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:04,560 right? You didn't show us where your 238 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,480 well is located. 239 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,399 Actually, is it is it up front? It's not 240 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,120 way up front, is it? No, on the front is 241 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,120 my septic field is the front of the 242 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,519 house is a septic field and then on the 243 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,399 side of the house to the south side is 244 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:21,519 my well. 245 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:25,600 So then I I planted an orchard 246 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,519 um on the side which you can't really 247 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:29,200 see with the diagram but there's an 248 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,680 orchard there. And so I would have to 249 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,519 remove those and try and get around to 250 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:41,350 get into the back. 251 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,760 So, currently in Leonard Estates, 252 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,560 um, I know that there's, 253 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,240 for lack of a better word, I don't want 254 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,000 to use the word defunct because I I 255 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,959 can't think of what how to say it, but 256 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:58,000 the HOA guidelines that you currently 257 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,480 have, they're not enforceable, right? 258 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,680 Correct. They are not. 259 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,519 Okay. So, cuz I know that there's a 260 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:04,800 white house in there. There's somebody 261 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,839 else whose garage is facing another 262 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:08,560 direction. 263 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:09,839 That's the White House, 264 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:12,480 right? Right. Okay. 265 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,839 Yeah. All All 266 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:16,000 It all comes down to that white house. 267 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,160 So, I guess what I'm trying to I'm 268 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,360 trying to do is not be that white house 269 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,440 because I'm trying to appease a lot of 270 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,040 neighbors by making sure I can get that 271 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,920 garage doors turned. Um, so again, it's 272 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,560 going with the flow and the aesthetics 273 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,160 of everything in Leonard estates because 274 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,000 even if I put it towards the back in 275 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,480 that B location, the only way I can do 276 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,279 that is with those doors facing the 277 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:46,000 road. 278 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:46,959 Right. Right. 279 00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:49,920 So, um, and then I still have to put in 280 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,079 another driveway. Mhm. 281 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:54,240 Um, 282 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,959 so that's why when they built the house, 283 00:11:56,959 --> 00:11:59,519 they put it in that pad already there. 284 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,200 So it was like that they were going to 285 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,519 like like that was their idea is to 286 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:06,000 build there anyways. Um, the nice thing 287 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,800 is is that this would be behind my my 288 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,240 pine trees. So you really you're not 289 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,079 really going to see it much. Do you know 290 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:15,839 what I mean? You're not going to see the 291 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:17,120 variance. You're not going to see the 292 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,000 different depths. Um, it's going to be 293 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,760 very, 294 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,320 per se from the road, it's going to be 295 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,360 very difficult to tell. 296 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,519 Pine trees are how tall? 297 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,120 are they pine trees? 298 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,880 40 ft. 299 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,639 They've been like they're the original 300 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:36,800 pine trees of the property. So, they're 301 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,790 huge. 302 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,790 Any 303 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,480 other planning commissioners have any 304 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,000 other questions that they might want you 305 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,150 to ask at this time? 306 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,560 Um, why did you go with the dimensions 307 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,639 of 30x40? 308 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:00,320 That's a unusually large garage for two 309 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,839 cars. 310 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:04,480 I would need a threecar garage. I have, 311 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,240 if you come to my house, which you're 312 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,000 more than welcome, I have a lot of 313 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,279 four-wheelers and a lot of motorcycles, 314 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:11,920 dirt bikes. 315 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:12,560 Okay. 316 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,000 So, my kids race. 317 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:14,399 Yeah. 318 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:16,399 So, I need a place, what I'm trying to 319 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,560 do is give them a place that they can 320 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,440 work on everything and keep it there 321 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,240 versus having a trailer or something 322 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,480 else trying to work out of. That's just 323 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,880 not feasible. 324 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,120 And there's no way of moving it back to 325 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,720 the 20 foot so that you're at the same 326 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,040 level uh off of 327 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,160 because if my driveway like when you 328 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,560 come out my driveway at my house here's 329 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:42,720 my driveway it drops like it's like a 330 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,600 sledding hill so it drops and then it 331 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,120 drains out to the back. 332 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Yeah. So, by doing that, I've got to 333 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,959 start bringing in a ton of dirt, which 334 00:13:50,959 --> 00:13:53,440 now I'm starting to change the drainage 335 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,600 of the property. And I'm worried about 336 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,680 that because the pond, which is not 337 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,320 mine, in the back of the property, 338 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,440 right? Everything drains out. 339 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Yep. 340 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,040 I can see there's quite a quite a drop 341 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,160 off that goes from the front to the 342 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:10,880 back. 343 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,199 It is. So, when I've I've had three 344 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:14,959 different like builders come out and 345 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:16,639 talk to me and they're like, "Well, if 346 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:18,800 you do this and move it forward and put 347 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,920 it here, it'll cause less of the 348 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,160 drainage issues." And I'm like, "Okay, 349 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,800 so that is why I'm here now." 350 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:35,350 Okay. 351 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,839 So if um I just want to give and the 352 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:40,000 other zoning board members an 353 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 opportunity to ask any more questions. 354 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,079 Okay. So um Jennifer, what I'm going to 355 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:45,519 do at this time just because this is not 356 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:47,760 like a regular thing that we do, I don't 357 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,079 want to share with you in the audience 358 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:52,240 what our criteria is for making 359 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,680 decisions. Um so we as a zoning board 360 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,639 are kind of held to a criteria of three 361 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:05,279 standards. And um as far as the the law 362 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,040 goes, what we need to do is either in 363 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,680 your presentation that you made to us is 364 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,240 you need to prove that all three of 365 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,839 those standards are something um that 366 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:22,000 you meet our criteria and we could say 367 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,440 yes. If you don't meet one of those 368 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,079 criterias, then we're kind of guided as 369 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:30,959 a board to 370 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:34,480 uh decide not to approve the variance. 371 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,040 So, um the variances are, you know, um 372 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,000 they run with the property and with all 373 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,800 future owners. So, what we're going to 374 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,360 looking at is Oh, I just made a couple 375 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,800 little notes. So, I just want to 376 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,079 Item number two 377 00:15:56,079 --> 00:15:59,199 that the practical difficulties or both 378 00:15:59,199 --> 00:16:01,440 which will result from failure to grant 379 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,600 the variance include substantially more 380 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,639 than one inconvenience inability to 381 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,560 attain higher financial return or both. 382 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:15,199 So basically what they're saying is there another way that it can be done 383 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:17,839 because is it just is it a mandatory 384 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:19,920 thing like if if your house let's say 385 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,440 didn't have running water and you said 386 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,680 this is not an inconvenience this is 387 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,240 something that we need to live and then 388 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,480 that's something that we could adjust 389 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,639 and change but when it's something 390 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:36,000 that's just a matter of inconvenience 391 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,759 because you have more toys, for lack of 392 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:42,399 a better word, then it creates um a 393 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:46,480 situation where we're as a board not 394 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,519 supposed to just say, well, as much as 395 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:51,759 what you say makes sense, you know, and 396 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:54,880 it's logical, but we have to follow 397 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,120 these standards and we have to meet them 398 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,880 in order to make a judgment on this. um 399 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,839 because there is an alternate location 400 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,480 that you can use to build your accessory 401 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,760 building without variance, we wouldn't 402 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,319 really be able to go ahead as a board 403 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,799 and vote on that. Now, all the all the 404 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,280 members, you know, get a vote, but just 405 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,559 as far as basic standards that were held 406 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:25,600 to make a ruling, that's kind of how we 407 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,199 have to go. 408 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:29,760 So, um, 409 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,840 can I ask a question? What about like 410 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,320 the other houses? I'll use Porter Lane. 411 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,480 They have their garage in front of their 412 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,440 house. 413 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:37,919 Mhm. 414 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:40,320 So, that was built or the house down the 415 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,840 street was their house. Their garage is 416 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,600 built in front of their house instead in 417 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,160 the back of their house. It's the green 418 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,080 house. Um, I'm just questioning those. 419 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:52,480 Sure. 420 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,640 And now I understand times can change. 421 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,799 But again, I'm sure that there's 422 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:02,160 alternate locations that those could go. 423 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,080 What happened in the past with prior 424 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,400 administrations or however long ago that 425 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,120 was, you know, I can't speak to, you 426 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:10,880 know, they're ordinance violations. They 427 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,600 shouldn't have happened, but they did. 428 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,919 But I think what we're trying to do is 429 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:19,039 to set a standard and say, you know, 430 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,320 these are what's set forth for a reason 431 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,280 for the basic overall overall well-being 432 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,720 of the community. And that's kind of 433 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,640 what we need to look to and it is 434 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,880 upsetting when you see things like that. 435 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,799 Um, and know that you're trying to do 436 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:38,240 all the things the right way and you 437 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,400 know it becomes difficult. So I 438 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,760 definitely empathize with it for sure. 439 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Okay. 440 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,240 But it's just that one of the reasons I 441 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,960 did this too was a again because of the 442 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,039 drainage of the property. So I don't 443 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:56,559 like hurt that but also due the fact 444 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:58,559 that 445 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:03,919 because of our homes and and lates on 446 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:08,720 how they wanted a certain look per se in 447 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,600 our south which we bring in a lot of tax 448 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 revenue for the village. 449 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Sure. So, I'm trying to keep 450 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,880 that aesthetics going so that way it 451 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,559 doesn't 452 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,200 diminish anything 453 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,120 within the neighborhood. And again, all 454 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,960 of Winter Estates knows that we're 455 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,120 trying to build this and they've all 456 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,440 been very very positive with it. 457 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,440 Right. Right. and and once again us as a 458 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,679 board um you know it's it's difficult to 459 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:45,600 make these decisions because you know 460 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,200 you do have support of your neighbors 461 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,320 but we're not supposed to look at when 462 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,039 we make these decisions things like that 463 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:55,760 we're supposed to look at 464 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,720 does this meet these standards 465 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,240 if it doesn't we can't grant the 466 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,960 variance and so that's kind of the 467 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,360 position that we're 468 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,280 So, okay. So, right now you're telling 469 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000 me you can't grant me this variance. 470 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,919 Correct. 471 00:20:13,919 --> 00:20:15,679 I would need a motion. Obviously, 472 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:17,840 I I have a question. Well, then why 473 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,919 would you go out to my neighbors and ask 474 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,760 them if they had issues? 475 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Because it's the law. I had to. 476 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,559 Okay. They've all approved it and said 477 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,200 yes. They would rather have that versus 478 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,919 my graduates facing the road, which I 479 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:33,679 totally get. No one wants to see that, 480 00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:35,280 right? in the neighborhood. 481 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,200 Right. Right. I realize it's a it's a 482 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,990 difficulty, you know. I do. 483 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Okay. 484 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,679 So, at this point, um, where we're 485 00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:55,120 at is I'm wondering if we have any board 486 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,480 members that would like to make a 487 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,029 motion. 488 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:03,840 If no one does, I can make a motion. and 489 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,960 you can decide to vote to or for or 490 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,880 against. Um I'll make a motion to deny 491 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,840 the request for the front yard variance. 492 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Um excuse me. Yes, it's not the front 493 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,120 yard. It's actually the side yard, 494 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:19,840 right? But 495 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,039 you just said front yard. 496 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:24,559 Well, the line of where your home 497 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,240 started your house is set back. is 498 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:31,280 actually 22 ft in front of the sideyard 499 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,000 varants from my house. So you're talking 500 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,039 like me to you like and it's not much 501 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:39,600 but again it's due to like the drainage 502 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,360 of the property. It's still called the 503 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,360 front yard only because the line that 504 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,200 runs from your front like your front 505 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,120 door across straight across anything 506 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,000 from there to the road is considered 507 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,640 front yard. So, your variance actually 508 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,120 the way it's listed is asking for a 509 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,320 front yard, not a sideyard. 510 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,960 So, um, does that track? 511 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,480 Okay. Okay. 512 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,240 So, um, I make a motion to deny the 513 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,960 request for the front yard variance 514 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,600 section 4.1 515 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,679 4.17A 516 00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:19,440 by Mrs. for the catch site building on 517 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,159 4571 Rosie Drive because it does not 518 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:26,640 meet standard 2 in section 24.06A. 519 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,799 Further, this denial is due to these 520 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,960 findings of the fact that there is an 521 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,880 alternate location where the homeowner 522 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,679 can build the accessory building without 523 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:37,840 a variance. 524 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,909 Um, 525 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:44,640 I would like to ask 526 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,080 a second on that motion. 527 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:54,390 I'll second the motion. 528 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Um, can I do a roll call vote on that? 529 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,600 Alani or call on that because I'm 530 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,840 stepping back into my old pardon me. 531 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,360 Uh, no. 532 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,679 I'm sorry. 533 00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:13,669 No. 534 00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,880 Is did you say no to agree with the 535 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,559 denial 536 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,400 or to not agree with the denial? 537 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,840 Uh I did two 538 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:31,110 to to agree with the 539 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:42,230 right. Agree with the the denial. 540 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,440 and swag. I am going to ask you to 541 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,159 disagree with the denial. 542 00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:48,960 Lori, 543 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,520 agree with the 544 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,000 we have one, two, three, four agrees and 545 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,710 one disagree for the record. 546 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:06,630 Okay, so the motion passes. Thank you. 547 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,200 If there is no further business to come 548 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,200 before the Yes. 549 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,840 plan information. 550 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,600 Um yeah, we had a zoning board of 551 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,840 appeals meeting today for a variance 552 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,720 request. 553 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,760 So when planning commission 554 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840 um next month, I think, right? 555 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,400 Yes. 556 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,039 Well, possibly next month. 557 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,360 Yes. If if there's business in front of 558 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,279 the planning commission, then I would be 559 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:36,640 if we have business, we'll meet in 560 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,830 October. If not, we will push forward. 561 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,159 Do you have another date? 562 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:48,950 Yeah. 563 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,279 Okay. Do you um would you like to make a 564 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,919 request to be put on the agenda for the 565 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:55,600 next meeting, the next time the planning 566 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,520 commission meets? 567 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,520 Okay. So, you're going to be also you I 568 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,200 know that you came to a village council 569 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,200 meeting and you asked to be put on the 570 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,799 agenda for the village council. Do you 571 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,760 want to stay on that one, too? 572 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,159 Um, 573 00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:11,840 yeah, I've got two different things 574 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,520 going. So, yeah. 575 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,760 Okay. Okay. 576 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,320 I I think I think the regular meeting I 577 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,840 got to deal with this building over 578 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,799 here. There's so much screwed up in the 579 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,000 past. I don't even know how to fix it. 580 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960 just it's overwhelming. 581 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,760 Okay. 582 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,200 Um 583 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:40,710 things went on that shouldn't have 584 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,710 it was our home village. 585 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,000 It's our home village. 586 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,110 Um 587 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,000 I understand 588 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,279 it sits there. 589 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,600 Yeah. They were the ones that created 590 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,559 the situation. 591 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:01,200 We We lost 592 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,640 an enormous amount of property that I 593 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,520 could use for a septic. The fire 594 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,919 department could use it. This building 595 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:12,240 could use it and that building could use 596 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,520 it. from 18 sub 189 597 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,120 on 598 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,279 uh someplace 599 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,640 in that time frame of maybe 1950 600 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,480 something went on where all of a sudden 601 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,360 that property went away 602 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,559 and and I'm I'm gathering that and we're 603 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,720 going way back there was a sawmill over 604 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,880 here correct 605 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,480 over there in the 1800s 606 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,880 and they had to bring the logs in from 607 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,080 the west. So they decided to cut through 608 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,720 where the alley is. Pretty soon 609 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,159 it ended up being village property and 610 00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:59,279 40 ft on the north of the alley 611 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:03,360 disappeared into what is now 612 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,480 Janet's property. I think we need to get 613 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,400 that property back where it goes so we 614 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,320 can have a septic field in these four 615 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480 buildings or we should just tear them 616 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,320 down. That's that's the way I feel. 617 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:16,880 Okay. 618 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,360 It's going to involve lawyers 619 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,960 because it is a touchy situation. 620 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,440 I've got somebody you can talk to about 621 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,159 this. It's it's our health department 622 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:31,279 rep for this area. He could tell you the 623 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,200 whole story on this. I don't even know 624 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,039 if he knows the stuff in the 1800s, but 625 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,080 he he he discovered things here that 626 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,679 shouldn't have been in the attic, but 627 00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:45,600 they are. And there happened to be on my 628 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,430 particular property. 629 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,720 They put a catch basin in right behind 630 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,559 the firewall 631 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,679 that never caught any water. 632 00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:01,120 The water could never get to it. 633 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,679 And it turned out it wasn't for catching 634 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:07,840 water. It was for getting rid of sewage. 635 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,559 I don't even want to say it, but 636 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,799 that's what they just got. 637 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,000 Okay. So, 638 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,600 we need to fix this. 639 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720 Okay. So, you are going to bring are you 640 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,000 going to bring a proposal to the next 641 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,919 planning commission meeting? like 642 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:26,880 something I just want to be certain if 643 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,960 we ask the planning commissioners to 644 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,200 meet because sometimes we'll only meet 645 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,039 four times a year if we don't have 646 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,919 something on there. If you are coming to 647 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,240 spitball or are you kind we could 648 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,799 probably just sit down outside of this 649 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,360 and and maybe have a one-on-one, you 650 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,720 know, where a couple people could just 651 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,559 sit down and meet with you where we 652 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,240 wouldn't need to bring the whole 653 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,960 planning commission together. So, or are 654 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,159 you planning on bringing like a proposal 655 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:56,320 I don't even know what to say about it 656 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,880 because it's it's really weird. 657 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,399 Okay. All right. It sounds 658 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,240 we need to brainstorm and figure out how 659 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,000 to solve this. We can't use this 660 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,679 building cuz it doesn't have a septic 661 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:09,840 field. Septic field never has. 662 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,240 Fireball never had one. This one never 663 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,799 had one. My building does have one, but 664 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,840 it could be much much bigger. I think I 665 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,799 could have set 3700 666 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:24,559 more feet of footage for a septic field 667 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,120 if I got property back that originally 668 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,720 was there. 669 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,039 Okay. 670 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,440 I I don't know how it even disappeared. 671 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Okay. It sounds to me like maybe since 672 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,440 you don't have anything like fared out, 673 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,480 maybe I could ask some of the planning 674 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,279 commissioners that are here right now if 675 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,600 they would just want to sit down with 676 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,799 you and me more on a one-on-one than in 677 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,080 a structured meeting where we could you 678 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,600 could just tell us what you've got and 679 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,120 we could just kind of 680 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,399 digest that information. 681 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:57,520 That would be wonderful. 682 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,039 Okay, why don't we do that? just spend 683 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,799 an hour and a half register these 684 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,440 wherever it is here. 685 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,799 All right, let's do that. I know where 686 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,640 to find you. So, um I 687 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,080 after I speak with some of the other 688 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720 planning commissioners um about some 689 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,320 availability. Maybe we could just sit 690 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,840 down for an hour with you one day and go 691 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,360 over it. Okay. That it doesn't have to 692 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,360 be an official meeting. 693 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,440 We should uh we should include the 694 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,799 health department for this area. He's 695 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,440 he doesn't know what to do. 696 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,279 Okay. Well, you can we it's just a start 697 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,120 for now, you know, if you want to just 698 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,480 however you want to do it. We'll come up 699 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,399 with a date. So, um that being the case, 700 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:43,840 right before we adjourn, um being that 701 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,200 this might be just kind of a private 702 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,399 one-on-one meeting, I think might just 703 00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:48,559 be easier. Um for us, I don't think it 704 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,200 requires a meeting. Um, is there any 705 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,720 items that would be on October's agenda 706 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,470 that would cause us to need to meet? 707 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,200 Okay. 708 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080 All right. So, we could probably get a 709 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:10,159 motion to not um not meet 710 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:12,240 um in October. Yeah. And then you can 711 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320 pass that on to the council at the next 712 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,080 meeting. 713 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,070 I'll just let the council 714 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,000 Is there anybody who would like to make 715 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,720 a motion to cancel October's planning 716 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,630 commission meeting? 717 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,640 Okay, I'll make a motion. Um, I'll make 718 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,799 a motion to cancel October's planning 719 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,679 commission meeting. 720 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:40,389 I have a second. 721 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:49,990 Can I have an all in favor? I 722 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,559 Okay. Um, we are adjourned. 723 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,760 Oh, I'm sorry. We need a motion to 724 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,960 I'm going to get the hang of this yet. 725 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,799 So, this is my This is my first one, 726 00:31:58,799 --> 00:31:59,039 right? 727 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:00,399 I think that's actually the only thing 728 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:01,600 that you don't need a motion for. 729 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,440 Oh, I don't. Oh, you should do it. 730 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,960 That's why you don't have it on there. 731 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,320 I'll make a motion first. 732 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,399 Okay. Anybody? 733 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:11,039 Second. 734 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:16,919 We are all in favor. I done