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Okay, we'll bring this meeting to order of the Economic Standing Policy Committee for June 21, 2023.

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I will commence with the acknowledgment statement.

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The City of Lethbridge acknowledges that we are gathered on the lines of the Blackfoot people, of the Canadian

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Plains and Pays respect to the Blackfoot people, past, present, and future, while recognizing and respecting their cultural heritage, beliefs, and relationship to the land.

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The City of Left Bridge is also the home to the meeting nation of Alberta Region 3, Madam Clerk, please read the roll call.

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Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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Councillor Campbell.

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Councillor Carlson.

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Councillor Carlson.

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Present.

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Councillor Dowdick.

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Councillor Paladino.

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Councillor Schmidt-Rempel.

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Acting Mayor Parker.

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Present.

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Deputy Mayor, Millets and Hope.

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And Mayor Hagan.

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Present.

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I see him on team.

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Thank you, Madam Clerk, and apologize to the public.

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We had a very long in-camera meeting this this morning.

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We also have a very long agenda this afternoon.

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So please bear with us.

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We'll try and get to all the matters in a timely fashion.

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So I'll call the Economic Standing Policy Committee meeting to order.

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Madam Clerk, are there any revisions to the agenda?

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No, Deputy Mayor, there are no revisions to this agenda today.

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Thank you.

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Then I have a motion before me from Acting Mayor Parker,

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adoption of the agenda, be it resolved at the June 21st, 2023.

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Agenda of the Economic Standing Policy Committee meeting be adopted as presented.

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Well, the question, question has been called, I'm favorite.

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And that passes unanimously, thank you, Madam Clerk.

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I have before me the consent agenda also from Acting Mayor Parker, be it resolved

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of the minutes of the Economic Standing Policy Committee meeting held on May 17, 2023, be

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approved and that the Deputy Mayor and City Clerk be authorized to sign the same.

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Further be a result that the status of initiatives for June 21, 2023 be received as information.

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Acting Deputy.

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I call the question, Mayor.

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Questions been called on the favor.

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We have a consensus again.

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Thank you.

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All right, so the first of six presentations this afternoon, the first one will be from the

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Lathbridge Old Times Sports Association, known as L-O-S-A or Losa, the Henderson Project, Mr.

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Makato.

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Would you please come forward?

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Deputy Mayor.

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Mr. Swara, are you here as well? There you are.

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Deputy Mayor.

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Excellent. You have a total of 10 minutes.

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Mr. Chairman. Deputy.

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Yes, Mr. Mayor.

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Any, okay, you can hear me. I'm just going to step away for this as I am a member of the

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Lepurgil Timer Sports Association, so I'll step away.

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If the city clerk can please let me know when this presentation is done,

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and I'll be sure to attend the remaining.

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And is the conflict as an old timer, or is it as a sports figure?

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I don't believe that you need to figure that out.

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All right.

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Gentlemen, you have ten minutes.

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Great.

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Chair Depp here, Mayor Joe Midleton, hope members of economic standing policy committee.

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We're here to go over the Henderson project, which we've been working on for the last few years.

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Next slide.

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Here's the agenda, who we are, the project vision, community support, project proposal history,

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financials, loses a request for a council, and then questions after that.

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Next slide.

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So the left-for-age old timers, votes, sports association, adult, recreational hockey and social

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organization. We're approximately 200 members,

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very community involved. We do scholarships

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with any extra funds that we have. We've donated over the last few years, or the last few

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years we haven't donated as much because of the project. We've been in conception since 1975

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and contributed about $250,000 back into the community. Next slide.

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Lowes' vision is to partner with the city to construct a community room at the south end of the

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Henderson Arena.

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We put the proposal towards Lowes' membership in 2018 and were granted permission to go forward

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and the spending of 25,000 towards architectural drawings.

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The area is about 3,000 square feet, community area, board room, storage, kitchen, and washrooms,

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and an office space for Loza.

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The community room would be used for non-profits, at low or no cost rent, with audio visual equipment,

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But, next slide, indoor options that within the area are designed for community gatherings.

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It's in close proximity to, well, within the arena, the ball diamond, tennis courts,

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Henderson Lake, skate park, and swing pool.

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It could also be used for meetings, presentations, training, and social functions.

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Support from the community, we have letters of support from various other organizations, which I think you all have in your package next slide.

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So this is a rendering of where the, where the room would be located at the south end, where the small ring used to be.

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This shows also which the project roughly of the CIP that's coming up in the next few years.

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Next slide.

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Also rendering this would be on the looking towards the south end of the ring.

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This is within the space.

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So this will be at top of you this shows the boardroom, office, warming kitchen,

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washroom, some storage areas.

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We expect to have glass along the whole north end of that room, so if you're in there you'd be able to look out onto the arena.

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Next slide.

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We have a community or letters of support from these community members.

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So the history kind of where all this started, so we started around 2019.

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meetings with city manager, city department,

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specific services, culture, finance, legal,

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procurement, risk management.

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We request by the city.

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There was a request by the city for us to get

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architectural drawings so that we could actually get

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construction costs.

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So the membership supported our ask for about

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25,000 for architectural drawings, which we went out and got.

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The drawings that we currently have are ready for construction.

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We bunch it up to date.

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So we do have a contractor.

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We've got all the pricing together.

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So we know what the project will cost.

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2023 meetings with city administration and share

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proper coordination with the CIP project.

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Project D17 Henderson Ice Center upgrade.

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next slide.

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So this is financially kind of what where we're at right now

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yes. We have the CCPG grant through the city matching to a 630,000.

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Loses portion is about 415. In 2019 we received. So the CCPG grant we've had to

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we use 15,000 of it for part of our prints and such, and then we re-applied again to get

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it just because of the time frame with COVID and everything. Drawings end up costable 32,700.

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Grant covered 15,000. Low contribution for matching funds was 15.

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and in kind by architects was 7,700.

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In 2021, we applied and got the grant again for 200,000.

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So this is kind of where our donations from wolves that come from.

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We have major donors right now in the amount of 25,000.

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Trading kind, we're budgeting about 100,000.

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a low-sec contribution, 10,000, and our advertising revenue from board advertising in the first year would be 35,000, which gives us about 400,000.

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So this is the base fund scenario community capital project for 250,000,

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Losa for 25 major donors 255, which is about 495,000.

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Losa gift and kind, which is going to be trades that are going to work.

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Put a certain amount of money towards the work at no cost or lower costs.

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Losa advertising revenue from the boards of 35,000, which brings us to about 630,000.

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additional support that we require is about 455,000 for total budget of about a million,

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So one of the scenarios we went through is to possibly get the city to front-end finance.

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We would sign up businesses about 35 for $1,000 a year for five-year commitment.

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Just we won't have the full five years, so we repaying the city back over the next five years.

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Or four years, sorry, first year we would get in the next four years we'd have to finance.

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So these are two different scenarios.

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A scenario of a city support for 455,000, which would include that financing.

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And then the next one is if we got, well, if we, the pledges, the front end financing was given to

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Loza for 140,000, and then additional Loza contributions for 70,000.

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And then we'd only required 245,000 from the city.

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So as Loza's request from this, for request, the city council support, the project came out in

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The provision of 140,000 front-end financing over four-year term with permission to work with the city administration to undertake the details,

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leasing GST implications on the project, required by law and budget amendments.

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That's it.

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Hopefully I'm talking too fast.

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Thank you.

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There we go.

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Thank you very much for your presentation.

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I'm wondering if there's anyone from the public who would like to speak on this matter, anyone from the public, and for a third time, anyone from the public would like to speak on this matter.

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Seeing none, then, I'm wondering if any members of Council have a question for the presenters.

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I don't see Council Carlson in there. Oh, there he is. Okay.

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Carlson, go ahead.

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I think technically he was first on the buzzer, but I'll take it.

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Let's talk about your operating or planned operating model at this move's ahead.

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Would you be sublacing it to other groups?

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How would you be financing the ongoing operations of it?

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On growing operations, we are hoping to use the city's booking system for booking the space

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and whether it's rented at a lower reduced cost to other facilities.

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facilities.

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Are you are looking at to rent it out to other groups and you're hoping the city would

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somehow be involved with that but that would have to be figured out.

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Let me just ask them a very blunt question.

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Why should we support this and compete with ourselves on renting other places?

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Because we already have our own rental spaces.

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Would this be competition or is there enough need to warrant it as well?

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I think with the letters of support that we were given from other associations that the

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space is warranted in that area.

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Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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Councillor Carlson.

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Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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And thank you, Councillor Carlson, for beating me to the punch.

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I had very similar questions.

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And so the first one is probably toward administration, if I can, to the city manager or

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designate.

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The capacity.

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We've made several large investments over the last few years.

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I'm thinking there's something over an ethnic association.

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Nika Yuko, just a name too, that spring the mind for these types of community use spaces.

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Have we done a look to see what the capacity is because my recollection is both of those.

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Organizations are experiencing challenges renting out their space because we may have overbuilt.

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So that we have any information on capacity, and yes, there's letters of support.

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But do we already have, as Councillor Crosson said, opportunities for organizations?

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Councilor Carlson, thank you for the question.

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You're correct.

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Some of our other organizations that do have meeting spaces are having difficulty filling

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those spaces.

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This one could be considered a different type of use, more for sporting organizations to utilize.

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We don't have specific data that would indicate at this time that there is an excess of meeting

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space, but we have been hearing from our groups that they're having difficulty filling your

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spaces.

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So, to go back to Councillor Crosson's comment, we'd be adding more to the already not

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two fierce competition is what I'm hearing. Is that correct?

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That's correct, Councillor Crosson.

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Okay, thank you Mr. Harper for that second question Mr. Macador or to the Lose Group.

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You're talking about a four-year payback,

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but only of a certain percentage. Did your group ever consider

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extending that to say a 15-year her and payback the entire amount?

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And I'm just wondering why you came up with, we'll pay back a third of it over four years.

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Well, our first, the first scenario was just for the five years.

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Now, our board changes every three years, so to commit for another five years after that,

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it would be difficult for us to commit at this time.

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We had talked about the option of a five year, and then if it goes well, I can't see why

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we can't extend it for another five years, and we had thought after that, like if it worked

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that we only did the five years, anything following that, the money that was made, whether

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so it could be another $35,000, we thought half of that could go towards building maintenance

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and half of it, so it would give away to the public, we give away to organizations in the extra money we have.

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Thank you. Deputy Mayor, I do have a final question. Is there anyone else in the queue?

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There is, but no one more important.

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You're very, just a question through you to the city manager, a designate, a funding for this.

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Because if we're frontending, that tradition means we take out our loan.

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And so maybe the 455, I think it was a thousand, is actually going to be much greater than that over time.

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or is there a different way to fund this from grants, et cetera?

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Members of economic standing policy committee to councilor Carlson.

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Between the two pieces, we'd probably look at a two different funding sources

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if the council was wishing to do this.

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One, the 245,000 most likely would come from the one time funding

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the council set aside in the CIP.

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So that would be that $10 million.

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There is about 2.5 million of commitments against it so far, against that amount.

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And the other piece for the interim financing or internal loan to the organization,

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that would come from the MRSR and be a loan similar to whether or not profit groups that

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And what percent do we usually charge to that?

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So, the couple things over the years, Council has,

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I'm going to grab some notes here,

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but there's been a little bit different on interest rates

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over the last number of years.

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So, it is normally our internal loan policy.

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Now, it's not necessarily for not-per-profits,

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would suggest that Council gives the provincial

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province of Alberta rate plus 0.25%.

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Now, that is if you're similar to what the Council had done

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for lending for the exhibition, we're a boring external.

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When it's for other not-for-profit groups,

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it's been a mixed component inside of there,

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and with more times that it's actually

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a 0% loan and concessionary.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, and of equal importance, Councillor Campbell.

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Well, thank you for that.

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But I think the important guy just asked

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question that I was going to ask, but I did want to get to what what's burned the old

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timers association to come up with the concept of why what was the genesis of saying,

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you know, we need this, we're taking take me through that. Wow, I guess we look at other

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groups within the city. They all have like minor hockey, they have their office in the city,

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on the west side, figure skating has theirs.

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Minor hockey also has, I guess, not the Logan Bule.

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So we just thought this space wasn't being used.

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That it'd be a good spot.

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And we play there more than half of our games

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are played there.

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But was there a real demand by the organization

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to have that facility?

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Because you're adding on to, this will be good for local groups,

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other sports groups.

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So how did the board come to that decision

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that this would be good, or that it's important.

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That's sure.

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What needs your help here?

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Well, as far as the genesis it, it started back in 2018,

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and that's when I first came on the board.

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And so the concept was discussed at that time

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with the membership.

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So it was, I'm not sure who started the idea

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of the concept, but it was back then that the membership

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was asked to support the or support the project and indeed they did, they came up with approval

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for going ahead with $25,000 in architectural drawings. So that's how much the membership

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did support it because at that point it was just a concept and yet most it was agreeable

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to go forward with it and provide $25,000 of our coffers to a project that may or may not go forward

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with. So it was an idea that had been fully supported by a membership. And in fact one of the

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major donors is Mike Davis, his family is one of the major donors that have gone forward

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in the past and his grandfather is one of the founders of LOSA, dating back almost 48 years.

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And so he has 1975, so that's how far back that there's been support and his family is greatly supporting this whole concept.

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And one of the other things about this concept is that we're not financing it through the rentals.

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What we're hoping to do is have nonprofits be able to, I guess, rent.

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It would either know cost or low cost and we're not wanting to profit from this at any

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way, but making it available to non-profits because there's a lot of non-profits.

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I'm a member of one where we meet in our, you know, somebody's house because we don't

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can't afford to go and meet for a dream.

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So if we had this kind of concept, we could, this organization, organization could come and

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rented out either low cost because we're only trying to recoup whatever

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janitorial cost there might be and have holding a meeting. So it's from that

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perspective if there was sort of market race that would discuss earlier that

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really wasn't what our concept was and in fact it thought was going to be a

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market race and you know we'd have to talk to the city about what would happen

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in that instance and so therefore we were thinking that we would have a least

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agreement in place and that lease agreement give losses and benefits but also a city and they

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could market out and use it for their purposes at the market rates if there was a wedding

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or a family function or something like that.

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But our emphasis was not on that side, it was just more to make it available to non-profits.

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I don't know if there's an answer to this but just a thought because you know we're always

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faced with rising costs and that mean administration would know all about this but what kind

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Do we have a looking into the future of rising costs for what they're asking for?

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If anybody wants to take that on, or is this just going to be what just take it as it comes?

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Anybody want to take that?

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We did put in a contingency.

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We did.

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Yeah, 10%.

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Okay.

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The thing is, we've just recently went out.

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So it's not like these costs are, you know, a bit put in place for three years.

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Our original budget was about 800,000, and of course through COVID, it increased five, 25 percent, approximately, and so now we're at the stage where we are.

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So we went out for a tender like Mike said just in the beginning of the year.

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So it's not like it's the cost of being completely inflate, because we want to start this project this year, hopefully.

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And so it would just be between that point in time and the few months that have transpired.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Thank you. I see Councillor Crosson has jumped back into the queue. Okay.

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So, this partly will go to, you know, possible motion idea. But what I'm hearing from this

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and I'll ask the question to the city manager or Jezegnett, we've had groups that have

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wanted to look at the Bowman because they need meeting space and they need storage space

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and everything else. And we know that, you know, this group is just bringing forward a problem

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that we're hearing from a lot of groups.

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There is so much need for not-for-profits

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for the small-volunteer organizations to have space.

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Does from a city perspective,

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from an operational perspective,

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which is why I last question, city manager,

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is there a better way of doing this,

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not to do it looking at case by case,

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but to look at it more holistically,

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looking at the Bowman issue and everything as well,

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and to do this as a combined,

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so we create the best resources for the entire community.

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So, Mr. City Manager,

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should we look at, should we refer this back to operations

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to look at in a holistic manner?

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Through the Deputy Mayor, that's certainly a consideration at Council, or a committee

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could make, is to us to have administration provide a more holistic look at this.

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And of course, there are additional pieces that would need to be worked out with Losa,

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should this move forward as well.

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So I know it is Councilor Campbell's or motion though, I don't think there's anything

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So that would be my suggestion, at this point, is we refer this to administration to bring back, following the summer break.

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But that's just my suggestion. Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor Crosson.

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So, just a quick, just a quick, is there, I mean, for the association that is, how important is a timeline here for you?

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Well, the sooner or the better, I guess, like we would like to get started, because once the

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CIP project starts, we're not going to be able to continue until the end of it, which is

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likely going to be in 2026.

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So, there's a short timeframe here.

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We've been meeting with city administration for last five years, but because of the last upgrade

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to the Henderson project, we've been given a window of this year up until March 31st or April

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the first of next year to have the project completed.

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Have it completed, so you'd have to get started right away.

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Yep, they start right away, and the issue with us

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is that this project has been going on for four or five years.

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And we've got some, we've got a lot of momentum,

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especially with our major donors that have said that we're very

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interested at this point in time.

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But if we have to wait for three years, which is the next time

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where that we can move forward with it,

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I'm not so sure that they would be still interested,

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and I'm not sure the project would go forward if we didn't have the 255,000 major donors

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and it's just interested in the project and we'd have to reapply for the major capital

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project grant or the CCPG grant. So we'd basically be starting over again and I'm just

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fearful that we would our momentum would wane. Okay, thank you. Thank you Mr. Chair.

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Thank you, Councillor Campbell. We'll be with you in just one moment. We're just drafting a

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I'll be half of Councilor Krosen.

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All right, we're winging this one.

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This is a motion from Councilor Krosen

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for the Lethbridge Old Times Sports Association

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Henderson Project, future timelines and presentations.

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Be it resolved that the Economic Standing Policy Committee

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refer this item to administration to review other options

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and feasibilities and return to the Economic Standing Policy Committee

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at their September the 13th, 2023 meeting.

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Else, for Rosa.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I appreciate that you are, you know,

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have momentum and you have a timeline,

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but we have to be concerned about setting any,

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setting this within the larger context

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and worrying about the concerns of other community groups

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at the same time.

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This is a short break.

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I mean, September is gonna be here before any of us are ready for it.

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It does give administration some time

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to look at some of the other things we have moving forward

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And to make sure we have this in a comprehensive manner, you know, I would suggest that we do this better and not just necessarily quick and make sure we look at it holistically, so that is why the bit of a break, I would ask the date September 13th is the next.

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Economic, is that a sufficient timeline to the city manager and his team? Would you one question I'd have before we vote on this or look at this further?

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Looking to Mr. Harper, if he is any thoughts on that, it's tight to come back for that we might need a little more time to give him the summer constraints to look at the other piece if I could speak to this with the timelines to complete at this point anyway.

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it would extend this out to the end of this year

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if we were to work through the other requirements.

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So Mr. Harper, timelines for September?

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Mr. City Manager, I would agree.

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It would be difficult to get really good information

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from groups over the summer.

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Everybody knows that groups don't meet over the summer.

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It's difficult.

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Everybody's on holidays.

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I think September might be difficult to get

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and some really good, useful information to be able to guide that discussion by September.

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The economic in October?

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October 18th.

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I guess why we're looking at you blankly, is that enough time?

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It got covers more reasonable as far as coming back, at least with the high level information.

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And does that give you, and you can tell your donors, it's all our fault if there's a bit of a delay.

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So, just put the blame on us, everybody else does.

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That's why I was in my plan.

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To you, Shay.

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But like I said, to look at it comprehensively, to have a better perspective to give

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it and in the chance to work with the group, I think a little bit of time is warranted.

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We're not saying yes or no, but we're just saying, let's do our due diligence moving

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board.

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And so that is my opening debate.

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Thank you.

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Councilor Donut.

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Excuse me.

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I have a question.

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I'm losing my voice again, I don't know what's happening.

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It's actually to the presenters, putting it off to mid-October.

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Is that doable for you?

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Or is it a COVID project?

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I'm not so sure the project would move forward.

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We could take back for a membership,

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but based on going back to the AGM,

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and going back to our example to Mike Davis,

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Like I said before, our timeline is by working with the Henderson Upgrade Project, their timeline that they've given to us is that we have to have ours completed by March of 2024.

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Our next time frame would be March of 2026 to start.

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So it's, and I would say, we don't fold out these things they had in the project at least.

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So, with this motion or the pass, it may actually be moved to your project in the sense of that?

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I would think so.

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We would again meet back with administration to see if they could move their timelines for us.

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But, indications are that we have this small window to complete the project by March of next year.

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And if that's not the case, it's another two years before we could start, even start it.

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And like Mike said, by that time, we will have a whole new board, our donors probably,

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or may not be interested in anymore.

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So it's a 50, 50, I don't know what you're talking about.

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I would suspect that if we go that long, we likely wouldn't go ahead.

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Like, and we're not, I guess, just kind of a, oops, argument with the whole process.

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But we're trying to do a project and have the city on the hook for the least amount of money.

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So, on the other point, I'm just curious, I saw different numbers when it was 4455.

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But are you asking for 245 plus 140, or are you asking for 240 plus the front end finance on the advertising?

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So, the 140, we expect to pay that back within the next four years.

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But you're asking for 385?

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But that would be front-end financing that 140, so that wouldn't come out of the city's

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city funding.

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That would only initially come from the MRSR and be repaid just like the other standard.

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But I mean the initial likely would be 385 of which 140 would be returned.

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Thank you.

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Sorry, 245, 140 of which we've returned.

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235 plus 140, 140 of which we returned.

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Thank you.

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One last question to the city manager in regards to the timeline is that flexible at all.

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Actually just to bring some clarity to it.

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It's something that and not the sound like I'm debating.

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I'm just going to speak to the facts.

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So even if this was to proceed today,

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the timeline from now until the last council meeting on July 25th

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approval on the 25th of July and from there go to a first reading of a lending by law on

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September 19th. Second and third reading of lending by law on October 31st and then a 30 day

461
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court application period, which is a requirement to lapse would take us to November 30th, meaning

462
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:45,430
that the earliest construction could start would be in December anyway. I would expect that I

463
00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:54,250
I would expect that would be pretty tight for you, even if this was to go today.

464
00:35:56,230 --> 00:36:00,970
I think what I'm trying to convey by the facts is I think it's kind of up against

465
00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:01,570
it anyway.

466
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:08,660
Again, I'm just presenting the facts to Council and whatever the decision is from there.

467
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:10,850
Okay, thank you.

468
00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:12,170
Councilor Schmidt-Rumble.

469
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,170
the city manager just answered my question.

470
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:17,510
Great, I think goes back to the mover.

471
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:24,550
I greatly appreciate where the group is coming from.

472
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:29,990
But my concern is setting a precedent and knowing how many community groups I have spoken to recently

473
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:31,770
who are looking for space.

474
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:37,470
If we approve this without doing our due diligence, we will have about 50 more groups in front of us in no time.

475
00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:44,110
Because I know there are a lot of groups that are looking for space and are having options and needs to.

476
00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:59,090
And so, it is a difficult decision, but I think we need the time and as we've heard from the same manager, some of this stuff is going to take some time behind the scenes to do anyways and giving us some time to have the conversation, we'll just fit in with that timeline.

477
00:36:59,530 --> 00:37:01,350
So I'm going to ask for my colleague support.

478
00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:06,510
All right then.

479
00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:07,610
I'll call the question.

480
00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:09,190
Question has been called.

481
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,250
All in favor of the motion.

482
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:16,270
I was, I was going to, I was sorry, I was just going to say I,

483
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:16,730
I don't want to come away.

484
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:20,850
I will not support that motion.

485
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:25,190
I believe that the LOSA has come forward with, you know,

486
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:27,430
they've been on this project for a number of years.

487
00:37:27,610 --> 00:37:30,710
They've shown, I think they've shown a lot of their own due diligence.

488
00:37:31,630 --> 00:37:33,470
And I know one way or the other,

489
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:35,130
they're going to be up against it.

490
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:37,990
But I think, by, if we approve their original request,

491
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:41,230
that at least shows the definite intent of the organization

492
00:37:41,230 --> 00:37:43,250
and perhaps that will help their sponsors

493
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:49,890
keep keep their interest with it and go forward with the project. So I'm not going to be

494
00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:52,530
supporting that particular motion. Thanks.

495
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:56,300
All right, that's a question.

496
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,780
Yeah, I'd clarity. Then the question has been called?

497
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:00,300
Oh,

498
00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:08,330
Councillor Carlson. Are you now going to? Sorry, Mr. Chair. I was in for debate.

499
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:12,530
Actually, I'm not on my board. Oh, I'm sorry.

500
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,810
That's okay. You can jump in.

501
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:21,890
That's all right. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I will be supporting this motion. I love the idea.

502
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:30,910
I love the concept. However, I've been bitten before by loving projects as they come up

503
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:39,770
one-offs without actually examining in total capacity and needs in our community.

504
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:46,470
As I said, we've already invested heavily in community meeting space, and I think we've

505
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:52,490
over invested due to the fact that each of those groups keeps coming to us for extra

506
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:59,930
operating costs, because we didn't do a good enough job of figuring out, was this really

507
00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:02,950
needed and will it be utilized in our community?

508
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:13,510
So I would rather take the time to figure out what we have, what's needed in our community and what it's going to cost us, and move forward.

509
00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:22,070
I'm just reminded of other capital projects that we invested in, and then less than a year later, we've had organizations come to us and say,

510
00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:27,450
Thank you for the building and I know we told you it was going to be cheap and free and no

511
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:33,790
extra cost but now we need an extra million bucks operating because nobody's renting because nobody

512
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:40,470
actually needs all that space. So I love the idea but I've got to make sure it's just on behalf of our

513
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:49,590
community that we're not overbuilding and causing the taxpayer to pick up the tap. So I'd rather

514
00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:55,270
wait and do a thorough examination, so I appreciate Councillor Crosson's motion, and I will

515
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:56,270
be supporting it.

516
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,420
I'm just waiting a moment to make sure that somebody has a jump back into the queue again.

517
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Councillor Crosson.

518
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:09,800
All the questions?

519
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:10,780
Go call the question.

520
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,880
All those in favour of the proposed motion, please raise your hands.

521
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,820
All those opposed.

522
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:23,160
The motion is lost.

523
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,100
The motion is lost.

524
00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:25,520
I was going to say defeated.

525
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,420
Thank you.

526
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:28,000
Thank you, gentlemen.

527
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,800
But an alternate motion can be put forward.

528
00:40:56,830 --> 00:41:02,350
So we're just investigating an alternate motion from Councillor Campbell.

529
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:04,270
Just give us a minute.

530
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:53,440
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a recess for ten minutes as we

531
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,820
get our wagons into circle and figure this out.

532
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:57,100
Please bear with us.

533
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,400
Councilor Campbell to come up on the screen.

534
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:34,580
Councilor Campbell,

535
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:40,850
motion reads, it'd be at result, that the economic standing policy committee

536
00:58:40,850 --> 00:58:45,670
refer this item to administration to work with Loza to identify the following.

537
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:51,730
A new CIP summary, including any operational cost for the facility, required draft agreements

538
00:58:51,730 --> 00:59:00,810
and or bylaws, associated construction timelines for this project in the 2022 to 2031 CIP-D-17.

539
00:59:00,810 --> 00:59:07,750
Henderson Ice Center, Upgrade Project, and additional costs and impacts on the city's capital

540
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:12,790
project, CIPD-17, resulting from this new proposal, Lose of Project.

541
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:18,690
And forward the information to the July 25th, 2023 meeting of council.

542
00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:19,950
Before the council.

543
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:22,530
Any questions from my colleagues?

544
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:25,610
I see Councillor Crosson is in the queue.

545
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:31,230
Thank you, Chair, I realize I'm a little out of step with where we are now, is not so much

546
00:59:31,230 --> 00:59:34,890
of debate, but there's a question, through you to the City Manager or Jezignette,

547
00:59:35,310 --> 00:59:39,990
just before we look at some of this, we're looking at operational costs, et cetera, but I

548
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:40,990
have a question about the capital.

549
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:48,190
We have a CCPG of $215,000, just so I am clear in my own head, that is already City Money.

550
00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:49,110
Am I correct on that?

551
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:50,550
That that is a city grant?

552
00:59:51,490 --> 00:59:54,930
to act upon members of the committee and to council person that is correct.

553
00:59:55,230 --> 00:59:56,810
And is that a matching grant?

554
00:59:57,570 --> 00:59:58,130
Yes it is.

555
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,380
1, 3, 2, 3, to match. And let me ask you this way. Can money from the city be used for a matching grant in the city?

556
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:18,840
No. Okay. Thank you very much. The other thing is this is essentially what I was asking for. And so now the same question to the city manager as I asked, is this doable?

557
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,980
It's much tighter than October.

558
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:34,980
I think shouting amongst ourselves, it's really, really tight.

559
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:38,360
I will say that, that's about most I can say this point.

560
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,820
It's not impossible, but I can see it from where I'm standing.

561
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,580
We're talking turkey dinner, tight?

562
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:46,980
Maybe.

563
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,040
All right.

564
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:49,780
Councillor Campbell?

565
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:50,740
Thanks.

566
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:52,380
There's no other question.

567
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:58,260
I know that the time lines are tight, and I know that this is a difficult battle

568
01:00:58,260 --> 01:01:03,720
to fight here for Elosa right now just given on all of the timelines that have to happen

569
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:11,160
if we approve this today and things got started but it is their hope to at least get kind of a

570
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:18,440
green light and this is sort of a part of what I hope we can accomplish here and bring it to our next

571
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:25,100
meeting of council with more questions. So with that I'll leave it up to the rest of my colleagues

572
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:26,600
but I ask for your support.

573
01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:31,540
They'll have Councillor Dota in the queue for debate, okay?

574
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:36,340
Excuse me, thank you.

575
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:43,980
The reason I didn't support Councillor Crosson's resolution previously was

576
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:48,780
because it effectively would have been moved for this organization.

577
01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:57,300
It had been and continues to be my intention to say no to the request for the money.

578
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:03,820
Unfortunately, I have to say that because this is a one-off that needs more information,

579
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:09,340
but unfortunately to get that information puts you in a place where it makes it almost mood for them.

580
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:23,820
So it had been my hope that the resolution that would come forward would have said to give the money at which time I would have voted against it for the reasons that I just said.

581
01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:36,580
So for the different reasons, I will be voting against this resolution because I don't want this organization to be twisting in the wind thinking that money is available.

582
01:02:36,580 --> 01:02:45,320
when I'm getting a sense that the money is not there, so I'd rather just say no today rather

583
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,960
than create a situation where there is a hope that the money would be available when in fact

584
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,500
it likely would not. So for there is reasons I won't be supporting this resolution.

585
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,180
Thank you, Councillor Carlson.

586
01:03:02,010 --> 01:03:04,690
Sorry, Deputy Mayor, I was trying to take my hand down because

587
01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:11,950
Councilor Dotic basically just gave my debate of why I won't be supporting as well as I don't just say digital.

588
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:13,090
Thank you.

589
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:15,310
Back to you, Councillor Campbell.

590
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:21,090
I don't see you on here. There you go, acting mayor Parker. Thank you.

591
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,160
Thank you very much.

592
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:34,000
When I see the resolution, when I first saw the project, I wanted to take an opportunity to ponder it.

593
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,200
And so where we don't use very often is I don't want to say yes, I don't want to say no, but I also

594
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,820
felt like we weren't ready to make a decision today and I think it's unfair to the community

595
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:47,060
for us to make that decision as well until we go through a process of doing our due diligence.

596
01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:55,040
When I see the resolution on the, as it's written and as I see it, it gives me an opportunity

597
01:03:55,040 --> 01:04:05,500
Ponder to hear the pros and cons we have an organization that has leveraged lots of private funds also leveraged city funds

598
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:09,360
And so I don't know if I'm for against a project

599
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,240
But I think if I have the more information for the administration to go through it

600
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:17,820
I and I understand I appreciate that it is a tight tight time line

601
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:22,060
I believe I have an opportunity to have an offer app come July

602
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:28,240
if need be. So for that reason, I think we should at least go to the process. By passing this

603
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,260
resolution does not endorse this project in any way, it just gives us an opportunity to

604
01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:38,120
ponder it and going through a process of due diligence. So for that reason, I will be supporting you.

605
01:04:42,490 --> 01:04:46,670
I have a question, Mr. Chair, if that would be permitted?

606
01:04:48,830 --> 01:04:51,510
Yes, certainly of the mover.

607
01:04:52,350 --> 01:04:53,290
It's a clear point question.

608
01:04:54,110 --> 01:05:02,090
How is this different than what Councillor Crosson put forward that we just voted on?

609
01:05:02,330 --> 01:05:05,030
That not also be included as part of this?

610
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:09,470
I guess my concern was how much it was going to be delayed.

611
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:13,610
that was my mostly my concern is it was going to be the end of October and I was hoping this

612
01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:19,370
gets dealt more speedily. That was my that was my thought.

613
01:05:19,790 --> 01:05:23,590
So I guess further to that then can we not have some of that information that Councilor

614
01:05:23,590 --> 01:05:26,790
Crosson also requested by July 25th?

615
01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:36,910
That would be a little too tight, Councilor.

616
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:38,550
Thank you.

617
01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:50,950
Thank you very much, Mr. City Manager, then it's back to you, Mr. Campbell.

618
01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:52,490
Call for the vote.

619
01:05:53,710 --> 01:05:59,170
All right, all those in favor of the motion, signify by raising your hand,

620
01:06:01,370 --> 01:06:02,190
all those opposed.

621
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:04,730
Motion is defeated.

622
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:07,110
Thank you very much.

623
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,020
Okay?

624
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:22,590
Move forward to 5.2.

625
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:36,700
All right, item 5.2 on the agenda, water and waste water, 22, 231, capital improvement program amendment,

626
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:38,720
to present her Mr. Doug Calms.

627
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:43,190
And Mr. Calp how much time do you anticipate?

628
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:48,810
Great.

629
01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:50,230
Not much.

630
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:53,910
I move quickly.

631
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:04,460
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

632
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:16,480
What we're presenting today is amendments to the Capital Improvement Program for the water and

633
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,200
wastewater utilities, next slide.

634
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,120
So

635
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:50,840
these are charts from the annual annual report that was presented a month or two ago to the civic works SPC and the key items here are that evidence that the capacity of the water and wastewater plants is diminishing.

636
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:58,540
you can see from in the table, for example, in, you know, 2017 and in 2021, which were

637
01:07:58,540 --> 01:08:06,700
hot and dry summers, that we said, you know, record peak demands and approached 90% of the

638
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:15,540
capacity, the treatment plant. Similarly, at the wastewater plant, 2019, was especially high

639
01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:38,340
And so depending on what portion of the plant is, whether it's strength or volume, you'll see that the capacity of the existing facility is in short supply.

640
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:46,840
We also know that there are, you know, anticipated demands in the next five years, the

641
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:53,120
McCain's, a French-Write plant has announced the doubling of their facility.

642
01:08:53,780 --> 01:09:01,320
We know that there's, you know, we've had expansions of industrial facilities within the

643
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,660
city, and we anticipate more next slide.

644
01:09:08,270 --> 01:09:19,730
So this is just a sneak preview of the final slide of the deck to show the, to demonstrate

645
01:09:19,730 --> 01:09:31,850
the impact of the increase in revenue requirements from this program can keep the rates

646
01:09:31,850 --> 01:09:35,710
within the city competitive.

647
01:09:35,710 --> 01:09:50,670
So, currently we have some of the lowest water and wastewater rates in the province and we would continue to do so with the increased revenue requirements that are proposed next slide.

648
01:09:53,390 --> 01:10:06,790
So in the water area in particular, we have a number of projects required to achieve the expansion

649
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:13,690
of the system to deliver 180 million liters a day from the current 150 million liters

650
01:10:13,690 --> 01:10:23,370
a day, the total phase 1 program which is all of those green bars on the chart add up to

651
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:30,630
to $123 million worth of investment, some of which were included in our included in the current

652
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:31,350
CIP.

653
01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:32,530
Next slide.

654
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,660
So this is the process diagram for the water plant.

655
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,280
I just want to show you what areas of the plant would be included in the expansion.

656
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:51,760
Next next next next, next, next, next, good, perfect.

657
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:58,240
So we can see that we have nearly every portion of the plant covered.

658
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:19,100
There's E12, which is the process redundancy project, deals with the clarification area, E28 takes care of the filters, E14 is the replacement of the UV disinfection equipment.

659
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:39,600
And we have the other projects are, you know, electrical upgrades which were included in the current CIP but added to that are high left pump expansions to deliver the additional water, some fill line projects and reservoir projects.

660
01:11:39,600 --> 01:12:05,320
So the total 1023 million, as I mentioned before, the 92.4 million would be borrowed and so the financing of that will impact the operating budget and it also included is 7 full-time equivalent employees for approximately a million dollars worth of operating budget pressure.

661
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:17,040
So, this is the financing chart. You can see the yellow bars are the existing loans, the

662
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:26,780
debentures that we have in place. And this is the annual payments required to manage

663
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:32,000
that to service that debt. And then the green bars are what we're looking at today.

664
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:58,100
phase, those phase one collection of phase one projects that was over $90 million of loans and the payments for that are the operating budget would be managed by increasing the revenue requirement for the utility by six and a half percent per year for the next four or five years.

665
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:10,220
So, if there are no specific questions on water, I'll jump into the wastewater similar package.

666
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,660
Are we okay, Mr. Chairman?

667
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:17,820
Please, please go ahead.

668
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:19,420
Thank you.

669
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:26,740
So, on the wastewater side is the existing wastewater treatment plant has,

670
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:35,220
and conveyance system has a capacity of 39 million liters a day for average day and

671
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:40,640
these improvements would increase that to 45 million liters a day.

672
01:13:41,020 --> 01:13:46,780
This phase one projects, the green bars, add up to $88 million worth of investment.

673
01:13:46,780 --> 01:14:00,840
That would include projects that are in the current CIP, like the was thickening and electrical upgrades,

674
01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:06,340
but also additional projects that provide capacity.

675
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:16,700
So just for context, in both cases of the utilities, the current CIP is driven by life cycle

676
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:23,920
replace life cycle replacements in general, none of those projects added capacity, so they've been

677
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:32,560
reconfigured with our objective of increasing the capacity and then there's additional projects

678
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:40,680
in there as well. Outside of the approval window or the blue bars, which are projects that we would

679
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:48,440
expect to deliver within the 10-year window just so you can see the sledge of the

680
01:14:49,340 --> 01:14:53,460
upgrades, flood mitigation and the hope for next slide.

681
01:14:57,770 --> 01:14:58,170
So again.

682
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:11,900
We'll demonstrate with the water plant. This is the wastewater plant process diagram, and so we'll just rattle off some projects here next next next.

683
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:24,360
Good. Thank you. And so we have the e19 in the center is the was thickening project.

684
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,900
It was in the existing CIP has been expanded

685
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:37,060
for to add capacity and some additional scope for those of you

686
01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:40,640
that may have had the pleasure of being toured

687
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,200
or what we saw our treatment plan.

688
01:15:44,780 --> 01:15:47,160
You'll recall the gravity bill thickener,

689
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:49,820
which is an impressive thing to watch,

690
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:53,260
but is in great need of replacing

691
01:15:53,260 --> 01:15:54,760
with something that's lower maintenance.

692
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:00,840
There's projects that cover each and every area.

693
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:06,520
The E31, for example, is the ultraviolet disinfection.

694
01:16:06,780 --> 01:16:09,920
That equipment is at the end of its useful life.

695
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,500
And we had a capital project to replace the existing equipment.

696
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:20,560
And now, in light of the mandate to expand the system,

697
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:30,660
It's replacing the one unit that's there today with a second set up to add the capacity.

698
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:38,660
So we have on the wastewater side $88 million worth of capital projects,

699
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:46,440
$71.4 million of it is a borrowing that would be serviced financed.

700
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:54,380
the just identical to the water utility, the operating budget pressures is

701
01:16:54,380 --> 01:16:59,100
the result of seven FTEs and approximately a million dollars a year.

702
01:16:59,400 --> 01:16:59,800
Next slide.

703
01:17:02,270 --> 01:17:10,750
So this is the debt servicing chart for the wastewater utility and just as

704
01:17:11,170 --> 01:17:17,410
same as on the one I showed you for the water, the yellow bars are the existing

705
01:17:17,410 --> 01:17:27,090
a venture debt payments and you can see over time they fall off as those loans get paid off.

706
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:35,230
And then the green bars are the phase one borrowing of that $71 and some million dollars.

707
01:17:35,230 --> 01:17:58,330
And the servicing of that in addition to the existing approved operating budget results in a 7.5% increase in the revenue requirement for the utility in order to service that debt.

708
01:17:58,330 --> 01:17:59,090
Next slide.

709
01:18:00,690 --> 01:18:10,370
So I showed you this one at the start, with the six and a half percent increase in water and

710
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:17,430
seven and a half percent increase in wastewater over the next three years within the current operating budget.

711
01:18:17,770 --> 01:18:27,830
You can see that the average residential monthly bill would move from approximately $60 a month to $75 a month,

712
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:37,850
which is still, compares favorably to all the other municipalities within the province that we're comparing here.

713
01:18:40,570 --> 01:18:57,810
So the Calgary and Red Deer are over $100 a month currently and following the rate adjustments in the, you know,

714
01:18:58,590 --> 01:18:59,750
next time.

715
01:19:01,790 --> 01:19:13,990
So that's the speed dating version of the capital amendments and I'm hoping to answer any questions you might have.

716
01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:20,610
Well, thank you very much for your presentation. It's regrettably as equally confusing to when I listened to it last.

717
01:19:20,610 --> 01:19:26,130
One of the questions that I had because I was first in the queue, you indicated Mr.

718
01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:33,310
Calphate that we have achieved peak capacity of 90% on how many occasions.

719
01:19:35,250 --> 01:19:42,310
Okay, so that that's based on the maximum day of a given year.

720
01:19:42,710 --> 01:19:48,430
So that chart showed average demand and peak day demand.

721
01:19:48,430 --> 01:19:57,470
So for one day in 2021 and one day in 2017 we hit those marks.

722
01:19:59,170 --> 01:20:05,270
Okay, so effectively you've hit 90% capacity twice in the last six years.

723
01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:11,980
You talk about graph funding and special financing. How much of each?

724
01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:15,150
Okay, that was graph funding.

725
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:19,750
There's currently I think it's zero.

726
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:34,110
So there's no grant funding, it's all, it's either accumulated surplus capital surplus and borrowing.

727
01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:46,330
All right, so through a series of, I'm not sure how quite to characterize this, but the number seemed to be shifting fairly substantially.

728
01:20:46,330 --> 01:20:48,530
We've got two major projects here.

729
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:50,610
We're effectively going from, what is it,

730
01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:52,870
76 million to 259 million?

731
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:59,570
Yes, that's correct from the current CIP to this amendment.

732
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:08,770
The difference being that the current CIP is our projects

733
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:11,690
that have our life cycle replacement

734
01:21:11,690 --> 01:21:24,010
and maintenance-driven improvements, and the additional ones provide the capacity, the added capacity to the plants.

735
01:21:25,690 --> 01:21:33,550
One other question before we go over to Mr. Matthews is from the look of it, and I conferred with my colleague to my left.

736
01:21:33,550 --> 01:21:40,550
It looks like you're asking to add another 14 full time equivalent positions in addition to this.

737
01:21:40,730 --> 01:21:41,330
Is that correct?

738
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:43,670
Yes, that's correct.

739
01:21:45,190 --> 01:21:50,170
Well, not in addition, it's built into those to the revenue requirements.

740
01:21:51,370 --> 01:21:52,190
So tend to your expenditures.

741
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:56,310
Yeah, the six and a half and seven and a half.

742
01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:57,710
Yeah, have that.

743
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:59,810
So it's not revenue, but your expenses.

744
01:22:00,110 --> 01:22:01,670
That's what we've built into your expenses.

745
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:02,670
Yes, it is.

746
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:06,630
So, question to the city manager,

747
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:15,940
to our CFO, so help us understand the money here a little bit.

748
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,220
There's a number of numbers that have been thrown around.

749
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:21,460
What are we being asked for?

750
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:27,080
Is it in characterizing it from going from $76 million, which is in maintenance effectively?

751
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,440
That's the current CIP.

752
01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:34,900
to $259 million. How are we going to get there?

753
01:22:37,670 --> 01:22:39,410
Through to economic standpoint,

754
01:22:39,670 --> 01:22:42,430
Pulse Committee and Deputy Mayor,

755
01:22:43,150 --> 01:22:44,950
Elden Hope in regards to here,

756
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:47,090
I'm just going to give you a little bit here on totals

757
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:49,150
and so on the numbers side.

758
01:22:50,030 --> 01:22:50,910
I'm going to use basically,

759
01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:52,870
I'm just checking with my,

760
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:54,310
over my right shoulder,

761
01:22:54,450 --> 01:22:55,970
make sure I'm going to go in the right place here.

762
01:22:56,630 --> 01:22:58,050
So I'm going to talk about phase one costs.

763
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:59,950
So that's the period of which,

764
01:23:00,470 --> 01:23:02,250
so what's a little bit confusing inside of here,

765
01:23:02,250 --> 01:23:08,410
you'll see in some of the sheets and bear with me, is that the green pieces or what council will approve.

766
01:23:09,210 --> 01:23:17,910
So as if you remember from the 2022 to 2031 CIP, we have years 2022 to 2026 approved.

767
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:24,730
The green pieces and this one's a little bit longer, they have 2027, so I'm going to give you a bit of a period in here of time frame.

768
01:23:25,310 --> 01:23:29,810
So that's phase one cost, so if you look at that sheet, that's inside for both water and wastewater.

769
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:36,390
water, that amount for phase one, not including the blue, components is 211 million for

770
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:39,870
both water and wastewater of costs.

771
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:46,730
Now what was previously approved inside of the CIP within the same projects was 76 million

772
01:23:46,730 --> 01:23:48,030
of that.

773
01:23:48,750 --> 01:23:57,490
Now taking out also another 11.5 million projects that were in there that were also previously

774
01:23:57,490 --> 01:24:01,570
The previously approved and no longer required, the being moved into those other that

775
01:24:01,570 --> 01:24:07,430
2-11, or being re-configured, if I'm just going to get Mr. Copen, make sure I said

776
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:13,390
that right, yep, I'm getting not. So that comes down to a total of 123.5 million of additional

777
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:17,630
money. That's both for water and wastewater and totality.

778
01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:21,110
That's 123 million for phase one.

779
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:25,030
Right, plus 38 million for transmission storage.

780
01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:34,050
I'll let Mr. I see Mr. Sanchez is dying to get into that once for let him just seek there for a second.

781
01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:35,430
Don't see him on the board.

782
01:24:36,910 --> 01:24:38,350
K, Mr. Sanchez, go ahead.

783
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:40,570
So, that's correct.

784
01:24:40,770 --> 01:24:47,510
Data additional for transmission that you mentioned before is outside of the CAP cycle.

785
01:24:47,530 --> 01:24:51,810
So, that will be needed as the capacity demand is in place.

786
01:24:51,810 --> 01:24:57,690
that's when the transmission lines and reservoirs and other type of assets will be required

787
01:24:57,690 --> 01:25:02,390
to be in place. So that's why it's not included as part of the request that we have today

788
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:07,690
for Phase 1. But it will be requested. Once the capacity is there and the demand is there,

789
01:25:07,930 --> 01:25:12,810
yes, that that will be eventually maybe 10 years on the road five years. This all side of the four

790
01:25:12,810 --> 01:25:17,130
years windows that we are approving today. Councillor Dordek.

791
01:25:21,070 --> 01:25:23,470
Yes, thank you, Mr. Co.

792
01:25:23,470 --> 01:25:28,670
But I'm just trying to get a handle on the last CIP

793
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:32,610
was approved back on June 1 of 2021.

794
01:25:33,250 --> 01:25:36,570
So those prior to this current council.

795
01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:39,290
So obviously,

796
01:25:41,310 --> 01:25:42,670
something dramatically

797
01:25:42,670 --> 01:25:46,670
has changed between the approval of the last CIP

798
01:25:46,670 --> 01:25:50,830
to today's day to ask for a very significant increase

799
01:25:50,830 --> 01:25:59,370
to that CIP dealing with the water and the wastewater system and in a nutshell, what really caused

800
01:25:59,370 --> 01:26:07,250
has been driving the very dramatic change to the CIP that was approved in 2021, which is

801
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:10,370
now being asked to be significantly amended in 2023.

802
01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:16,810
to Councillor Dodick,

803
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:29,090
there are a number of factors that demonstrated the need for additional

804
01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:41,090
capacity since the previous CIP was prepared. One of which was the setting a new peak demand

805
01:26:41,090 --> 01:26:43,890
that following summer in 2021,

806
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:50,930
when it was, you know, it didn't rain for 100 days or so.

807
01:26:52,330 --> 01:27:02,330
The demands on our wastewater facility became more and more evident with increased industrial

808
01:27:02,330 --> 01:27:05,090
the load during that period of time.

809
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:13,290
And we've been faced with additional requests from the region

810
01:27:13,290 --> 01:27:20,630
in particular, the county, which we had rejected

811
01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:23,230
because of the lack of capacity.

812
01:27:23,230 --> 01:27:32,110
So the, it's really, demands, regional demands, industrial demands,

813
01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:35,270
and climate change

814
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:48,210
or the factors that have come to light in the last couple of years, the, for,

815
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:55,790
I guess,

816
01:27:55,790 --> 01:28:03,870
that pretty much captures that we have, we do anticipate additional industrial demands with

817
01:28:03,870 --> 01:28:14,430
the announcements from McCain's and information from industries within our boundaries.

818
01:28:15,650 --> 01:28:21,190
So, as I've heard a say that the information that is being presented to us today was not

819
01:28:21,190 --> 01:28:26,950
available to the prior council that approved the 2022-2031 CIP.

820
01:28:31,210 --> 01:28:35,230
So this question is to Mr. Sanchez and the report.

821
01:28:37,170 --> 01:28:38,970
That's in our agenda.

822
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:43,770
It sort of eludes to it, but it's not as clear in my mind.

823
01:28:44,290 --> 01:28:48,870
Perhaps it should be, but during the operating budget,

824
01:28:50,470 --> 01:29:04,350
Council had approved for the three years starting 2024 through 2026, an increase in water rates of 2% for each of those three years is that right?

825
01:29:06,930 --> 01:29:07,770
Yes, that's correct.

826
01:29:07,770 --> 01:29:23,610
And so the proposed rate increase for this, if the CIP amendments would go through would be an additional 4.5% to get you to the 6.5% per year increase.

827
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:25,410
So 2% has been approved.

828
01:29:25,410 --> 01:29:38,030
But the 4.5% additional is being asked for 24, 320, 20, 20, 20, 26, and that's how you arrive at the total of 6.5% increase in the water rates.

829
01:29:38,830 --> 01:29:48,830
Yes, that's correct, and also to clarify, when the budget was approved, as you mentioned before, it was a 2% increase for water and 3% increase for wastewater.

830
01:29:48,830 --> 01:29:57,930
So, in what we are asking or presenting today is an additional 4.5 of what was previously approved by...

831
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:21,420
All right, you did answer my question on our wastewater, so as you've noted, what is being requested today on a go forward basis as an increase of 4.5% for each of the water rates and the wastewater rates, but that's in addition to what's already been approved, which is 2% to 3% respectively.

832
01:30:21,420 --> 01:30:22,520
That's correct.

833
01:30:30,780 --> 01:30:32,000
Thank you.

834
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,360
Council Carlson.

835
01:30:36,060 --> 01:30:38,680
Thank you Deputy Mayor. Thank you for that clarification.

836
01:30:39,260 --> 01:30:44,320
Mr. Sanchez. I believe Councilor Dota just said what you're asking for today.

837
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:51,640
And this is quite a large ask, large amendment to our CIP.

838
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:58,580
And I do trust Mr. Cope and Mr. Sanchez and city manager in this administration.

839
01:30:58,580 --> 01:31:03,940
And I have great trust in them, I trust they have done their due diligence on the needs for

840
01:31:03,940 --> 01:31:10,700
this, but as I said, it is quite a big ask to digest and further, traditionally the

841
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:19,280
CIP is a lengthy process, many, many months and then a week of all some question and debate

842
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:24,480
by council before we approve it and lots of public engagement.

843
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:34,480
So, I guess my question would be, is this a today decision that is necessary or how could we move forward,

844
01:31:35,420 --> 01:31:48,060
allowing for some time and some pondering, but also to allow our ratepayers to be more engaged and informed about the need and the justification for this?

845
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:57,160
Is this something weak Council needs to act on today or is there a way to prepare for this increase?

846
01:31:58,220 --> 01:32:00,300
But take some time.

847
01:32:04,050 --> 01:32:05,350
Well, it does an excellent question.

848
01:32:06,430 --> 01:32:16,270
We are presenting the ask today at a economic SPC, but we can certainly wait until later in the year,

849
01:32:16,350 --> 01:32:20,530
maybe Council needs a month, a couple of months to go through this and even

850
01:32:20,530 --> 01:32:26,170
we could come back with ideas at a later date on how this could be implemented.

851
01:32:27,490 --> 01:32:32,430
If I explain or Mr. Coppa's plan that before, this project is being driven by several

852
01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:37,570
factors, including mostly the regional and the commercial or industrial rates.

853
01:32:38,150 --> 01:32:42,330
So those are things that could also be evaluated who is driving the need for the project

854
01:32:42,330 --> 01:32:46,750
and where the total increase is six and a half and seven and a half, but that can

855
01:32:46,750 --> 01:32:51,210
is split it in different ways depending on what is the driver for these states again.

856
01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:56,770
Certainly we could evaluate if we need to come back at a little date with more details on that

857
01:32:57,410 --> 01:32:57,930
end.

858
01:32:59,050 --> 01:33:03,990
And thank you for that. I appreciate that. I just followed our previous discussion.

859
01:33:04,430 --> 01:33:08,310
We were asked for a couple hundred thousand dollars and I needed some time.

860
01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:14,130
This is a couple hundred million. So I'm wondering if I can

861
01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:22,430
you Mr. Chair to the city clerk. Do we have something drafted that would give us, give the

862
01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:30,810
community some indication of the possible amendments that we're contemplating and yet give

863
01:33:30,810 --> 01:33:37,590
some time for them to be brought up to speed on the justification. I would just hate to spring

864
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:46,150
this on our community, our rate pairs today without some soak time or the ability to discuss

865
01:33:46,150 --> 01:33:50,050
with them on the needs and justification how exactly we're going to implement.

866
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:53,910
Councillor Carlson, do you have a copy of the motion?

867
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:55,330
I do not.

868
01:33:55,390 --> 01:33:56,830
I will be proposed by you.

869
01:33:57,950 --> 01:34:00,550
Maybe my phone was dinghy.

870
01:34:00,950 --> 01:34:01,250
There you go.

871
01:34:01,550 --> 01:34:04,990
Let's have a look at it and see if it responds favorably.

872
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:11,470
And once you've done that, please jump back into the queue and allow Councilor Krosen to go ahead.

873
01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:11,790
Perfect.

874
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:12,290
Thank you.

875
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:15,680
Thank you, Chair.

876
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,160
As you've heard every member of Council say, this is a lot of money.

877
01:34:19,420 --> 01:34:21,560
So we need to make and do our due diligence.

878
01:34:22,420 --> 01:34:24,120
Is this a worst case scenario?

879
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:26,220
Are we eligible for any grant?

880
01:34:26,340 --> 01:34:29,300
So if we move ahead on this, can we find other ways of funding it?

881
01:34:29,500 --> 01:34:31,780
Because even if it does keep us the lowest in the province,

882
01:34:32,260 --> 01:34:35,940
I can tell you our residents won't care because they don't have more money to spend.

883
01:34:35,940 --> 01:34:41,880
So, or not many adults. So, is there another way of finding this or is this the only option?

884
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:43,320
No.

885
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:57,580
To consider person, thanks for the question. We have in the last three four months endeavored to find other opportunities.

886
01:34:57,580 --> 01:35:11,560
we continue to seek grants funding for the projects and through a number of different angles.

887
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:19,700
And so there is a, there may be opportunity by the time that they're all the projects

888
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:22,700
are being delivered to further to be relief.

889
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:40,880
This is definitely the worst case scenario, what's factored in here to fund the program is cash that we have in hand and the remainder borrowed and financed over time.

890
01:35:42,580 --> 01:35:49,460
And so any successful application for grant would provide some relief.

891
01:35:49,460 --> 01:36:00,780
There are population restrictions on existing provincial grants, and we are exploring federal grants as well.

892
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:05,260
So if we want with what Councilor Curals was suggesting, take some breathing time.

893
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:11,680
Next time you come back, we could be seeing slightly different numbers based on if any eligible or any luck with grants, et cetera.

894
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:16,920
So just to get the public an idea that this is the high level, we're going to work to try to bring it down.

895
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:24,300
The other thing the public is going to be concerned about is whether we have done, again, all the work we possibly can.

896
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:29,060
Is there anything else we can do in conjunction with this instead of this?

897
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,060
Are there efficiencies? Are there plans? Are there community engagements?

898
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,300
Are we looking at any of that as we move ahead?

899
01:36:35,900 --> 01:36:39,320
That would make this so that maybe we don't have as great a need for water

900
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,840
because we're saving another place or if we get it we're extending the length of it.

901
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:49,920
How else are we looking at making this so that we absolutely need this because we've done all the other work?

902
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,920
Again, Councillor Crosson.

903
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:11,240
Some of the actions that you refer to or that we could explore our efficiencies and conservation efforts

904
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:17,760
with industrial customers as well as residential customers.

905
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:29,160
One of the challenges for us given that we have low rates is that there's less

906
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:34,440
of a financial incentive to reduce use.

907
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:41,180
And so we continue to provide educational information.

908
01:37:41,480 --> 01:37:48,740
You can find on the on the city webpage actions that you can take in your home to reduce

909
01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:50,260
your consumption.

910
01:37:50,380 --> 01:37:57,540
We do have at the city of Lathbridge, universal metering, every customer has a water meter,

911
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,420
every water bill is based on consumption.

912
01:38:01,420 --> 01:38:10,260
And so that's a, you know, that's the foundation for moving forward on those types of actions.

913
01:38:11,140 --> 01:38:14,460
Well, I mean, we have to look at whether we need to expand the plans, et cetera.

914
01:38:14,860 --> 01:38:20,880
We can also continue to work with the public, on other ways to produce their own personal consumption, as well as industrial consumption.

915
01:38:22,220 --> 01:38:22,740
Thank you.

916
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:23,320
Thank you, Chair.

917
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,100
Mr. City Treasurer, do you have something to add to the conversation?

918
01:38:29,740 --> 01:38:36,800
So thank you, Deputy Mayor, just to counsel across and just a little bit more in regards to some of the things that we are looking at as well.

919
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:48,860
So just like Mr. Coburn mentioned, we are looking into grants and those could be anything from the Disassummitigation Adaptation Fund, the Low Carbon Economy Challenge or the Green Municipal Fund.

920
01:38:48,980 --> 01:38:51,300
So there's a different ones that we're looking into.

921
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:55,340
One of the other things that will come up here to right now, we're basing it once again as worst case.

922
01:38:55,340 --> 01:39:01,780
at 5 point current provincial boring rates or 5.14 percent. Those could change next

923
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:06,160
while. Now we could change up or down. In that regard, but we are also looking at other

924
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:10,340
groups and other ways to finance that. We have normally looked at in the past as well.

925
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:16,000
There are a few things we are doing behind the scenes. But what we have brought forward so far

926
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,240
is that worst case if we have to all borrow it from existing and what we know today.

927
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:25,180
Well, again, it counts for Carlson, brings forward his motion.

928
01:39:25,980 --> 01:39:30,100
This is to provide the information to the public, knowing we're continuing to work on it.

929
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,340
But we want to hear from you and we want to have a community conversation.

930
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:34,620
And this will move forward at some point.

931
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,580
Thank you.

932
01:39:37,180 --> 01:39:37,780
That's what I meant.

933
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:39,560
Thank you very much.

934
01:39:39,740 --> 01:39:42,120
And thank you very much for your presentation, Mr. Co.

935
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:46,120
A couple of questions that I have for you.

936
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:53,260
We're looking at this, increasing our capacity, water waste water, particularly for the city.

937
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:57,620
Is this in any way going to contribute to the growth of the region as well?

938
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:06,080
Yes, Councillor Schmoud-Grample, this does provide, having additional capacity,

939
01:40:16,100 --> 01:40:16,100
does provide

940
01:40:19,220 --> 01:40:33,400
So we're currently approximately 20% of our water that we process leaves the city to the communities

941
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:42,960
Cole Dale Cole here's a picture of you out into the county, to the McCain plant and

942
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:57,960
agrepair cheese, for example. So there is, we have, you know, 20 to 25 year history of supporting

943
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:04,200
economic development within the region, and this will provide us opportunity to continue to do that.

944
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:10,960
Thank you very much. Along that line, then when we're looking at this worst case scenario,

945
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:18,800
in so far, I was a six and a half or seven and a half percent increase. How do we explain that to taxpayers and repairs?

946
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:21,380
How do we explain that kind of increase?

947
01:41:21,380 --> 01:41:37,820
Well, I think the part of the narrative is that in the last 30, 40 years are the treatment

948
01:41:37,820 --> 01:41:46,440
plant, the water plant, particularly as has not expanded its capacity at all.

949
01:41:48,460 --> 01:42:01,460
And in light of that situation, our rates have been some of the lowest in the province.

950
01:42:02,700 --> 01:42:07,660
And this is, you know, as the community grows,

951
01:42:10,540 --> 01:42:14,980
as the economic opportunities get added into the mix,

952
01:42:14,980 --> 01:42:30,740
We have consumed that available capacity, and this is an incremental cost that it takes us to continue to expand our community.

953
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:35,270
Thank you very much.

954
01:42:36,130 --> 01:42:40,350
I see no one else in the queue, but I'll go back to Councillor Carlson.

955
01:42:40,570 --> 01:42:43,990
Councillor Carlson, if you had an opportunity to look at the motion.

956
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:44,830
Thank

957
01:42:47,420 --> 01:42:51,380
you, Mr. Chair. Yes, I have it. It makes perfect sense to me.

958
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,580
Perfect sense. Excellent. All right.

959
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,380
Well, thank you very much, Mr. Count.

960
01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:05,690
I quick question if I may.

961
01:43:06,490 --> 01:43:07,250
Two, Mr. Co.

962
01:43:09,630 --> 01:43:14,650
Councillor Schmett, Rampel, raise the question of the money that lead or the money.

963
01:43:14,890 --> 01:43:20,190
The water that goes outside of the city limits into the county and beyond.

964
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:27,090
Is that money sold at a preferred rate or are we paying the same as somebody in Barren's

965
01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:28,210
or a picture of you?

966
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:46,750
So, you mean as a retail customer, yeah, the regional agreements that we have to supply water

967
01:43:46,750 --> 01:43:58,510
to the neighboring communities require that the retail rates are equal or greater than those within the city.

968
01:43:59,990 --> 01:44:06,210
So a residential or commercial customer in Coldale will pay more than in the city of Lathbridge.

969
01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:09,310
And likewise with Colhurst.

970
01:44:09,550 --> 01:44:12,270
And that's a residential customer, what about commercial?

971
01:44:12,270 --> 01:44:15,110
All customer classes?

972
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,080
Okay, seeing no further questions.

973
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:27,380
We'll take a pause.

974
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,200
We have a motion.

975
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:31,600
From Councilor Carlson.

976
01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:38,800
Water and waste water 2022 to 2023 CIP amendment 5.2.

977
01:44:39,260 --> 01:44:41,580
Be it resolved that the Economic Standing Policy Committee

978
01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:47,820
postpone the following to the September 13th, 2023 meeting of the Economic Standing Policy Committee

979
01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:48,540
1.

980
01:44:49,060 --> 01:44:57,740
And then the 2022-2031 Capital Improvement Program, CIP, Budget, from 76 million to 205.

981
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,000
For the water and wastewater utility projects identified below. A, amend the expenditures and funding as per

982
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:19,720
attachments number 4 and number 5, point 1, water capital improvements, projects e12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18.

983
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:28,580
Point 2, waste water capital improvement projects in 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, and 25, very impressed

984
01:45:28,580 --> 01:45:29,480
Councillor Carlson.

985
01:45:30,460 --> 01:45:35,240
One point B, add new projects with the expenditures and funding as for attachments,

986
01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:44,300
number 4 and number 5, point 1, water capital improvement projects, E 26, 27, 28, 29, 30,

987
01:45:45,300 --> 01:46:13,640
B2, wastewater capital improvement projects, E-3132, 33, 34, 35, and 36, point two, direct administration to draft a borrowing by law for 2024 to 2027 and present first reading at the City Council meeting on September the 19th, 2023, and further be it resolved with the economic standing policy committee recommends City Council number three.

988
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:20,760
Direct administration to draft rate by laws with annual increases of 6.5% for water,

989
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:31,280
7.5% for wastewater for 2024, 2025, 2026, and present first reading at the City Council meeting

990
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:39,780
on September the 19th, 2023, and further be it resolved that the Economic Standing Policy Committee

991
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:45,480
recommend that City Council direct that the closed meeting discussions, presentation, and report,

992
01:46:46,180 --> 01:46:53,080
with respect to the water and waste water 2022 to 231, CIP amendment remained confidential,

993
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:59,780
pursuant to sections 21, harmful to an intergovernmental relations, and 24 advice from officials

994
01:46:59,780 --> 01:47:05,260
of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act. Councillor Carlson.

995
01:47:05,260 --> 01:47:10,360
Thank you, Deputy Mayor, and I'll open it up for questions.

996
01:47:10,900 --> 01:47:15,600
I trust it is self-explanatory, but just a highlight quickly.

997
01:47:16,820 --> 01:47:29,500
Resolution is to defer the first two items to our first meeting in September as economic policy committee.

998
01:47:29,500 --> 01:47:56,380
And then if that time will have allowed our administration to a little deeper dive and it will give not only council but the public time to digest what's in front of us today, however item number three, I think we can proceed forward with the drafting the rate by loss so that we're not behind the eight ball if council decides to proceed and make these changes.

999
01:47:56,380 --> 01:48:01,200
So I hope that is clear as a mother that we're not moving a full steam ahead.

1000
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:08,260
We're taking some time to do our to diligence and to refine our numbers a bit better.

1001
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:11,840
But I'll open up to any questions if there are any tip of your mind.

1002
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,840
I see none of the queue perhaps we could move on to debate.

1003
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:18,220
Excellent.

1004
01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:24,340
I'll say most of the month we're closing but I appreciate the work that administration's done.

1005
01:48:24,340 --> 01:48:32,140
I trust that they will appreciate that this is a fairly major amendment to our CIP and I

1006
01:48:32,140 --> 01:48:37,040
don't think it should be done lightly. I think we do need to take our time to examine

1007
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:42,580
everything and move forward and so that's why I'm proposing to defer it until our meetings

1008
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:47,440
in September but I also don't want to slow things down and that's why I'm also saying that

1009
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:52,840
we could proceed with drafting the rate bylaws so should Council proceed their in place

1010
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:53,960
really to go.

1011
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,560
Thank you. I see no one else in debate.

1012
01:48:59,580 --> 01:49:02,620
So that would be your opening closing. Excellent.

1013
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,680
Then perhaps we can call the question.

1014
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:07,920
I call for the vote. Thank you.

1015
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,340
Okay. All those in favor of the motion.

1016
01:49:13,300 --> 01:49:15,200
And seeing none opposed to unanimous.

1017
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:16,440
Thank you.

1018
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,420
All right. We're going to move out of.

1019
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:23,300
Thank you.

1020
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:24,600
We're going to change the agenda.

1021
01:49:25,300 --> 01:49:25,360
Yeah.

1022
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:55,340
Yeah. So I'm going to ask Council's indulgence. I'd like to move one of the items. It's a little bit later on in the in the in the program to allow for some meetings external to our meeting that require the presenter to leave

1023
01:49:55,340 --> 01:50:00,500
of lethbridge housing authority. Do we have any problems with moving her up in the queue?

1024
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:03,420
Seeing none?

1025
01:50:04,820 --> 01:50:06,500
Then I would ask Ms. James to come forward.

1026
01:50:25,950 --> 01:50:27,570
Good afternoon. Thank you very much for

1027
01:50:27,570 --> 01:50:32,170
moving our presentation for it. We have a board meeting at 430. So I appreciate you taking the

1028
01:50:32,170 --> 01:50:38,190
time for this. I'd like to introduce my colleagues with me today. They will be helping me present to this.

1029
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:43,890
With me today is Caleb Prajowski. She's a director of homeless supports for lethbridge housing

1030
01:50:43,890 --> 01:50:49,270
and also Tina Young, she is our grant administrator with the Westbridge Housing Authority.

1031
01:50:50,230 --> 01:50:53,210
So Kayla is going to start the presentation and then I will close it.

1032
01:50:53,210 --> 01:50:54,290
Thank you.

1033
01:50:59,780 --> 01:51:00,800
Thank you so much.

1034
01:51:01,780 --> 01:51:07,160
Our first 90 days as the CBO, we've met with our service providers both CBO funded and

1035
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:07,540
not.

1036
01:51:07,660 --> 01:51:12,760
We've heard what they've had to say with their experiencing and in doing so, we designed and created

1037
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,360
our service plan and created our strategic priorities.

1038
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:27,900
In this initial year, we were asked by the government not to make any contract adjustments, but as we are left with some unallocated funds due to a program ending prior to our contract start, we are currently sourcing out service providers to fill that gap.

1039
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:36,040
We have executed our service provider contracts, we've limited changes based on what service providers had for the past year consistency was our promise.

1040
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:44,640
We delivered the service or we created the service delivery plan that you've received a copy of and we want these documents to be public and accessible for transparency and accountability.

1041
01:51:45,980 --> 01:51:47,880
We have developed and implemented various policies.

1042
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:58,540
We've created a housing and supports handbook which provides our service providers with direction, guidance, consistency and for those who are applying to become service providers, they know what an advance what to expect.

1043
01:51:59,540 --> 01:52:06,180
We have designed the newest support of housing complex, which Robin will speak more about later to meet some of the needs in housing for our community.

1044
01:52:07,480 --> 01:52:17,140
We currently have an RFP out for a higher QDICM team coordinate support for some of our more difficult to house and need a dedicated group to provide that support.

1045
01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:27,660
We've cleared the backlog of data from ETO with our service providers, so ETO is our government developer to fund a database which lost functionality in November and was not returned until mid May.

1046
01:52:28,180 --> 01:52:31,900
Finally, we are establishing terms of reference for various working groups and round tables.

1047
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:36,580
We have started including a localized placement table where all of our furls for case management

1048
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:37,800
will become triaged.

1049
01:52:38,300 --> 01:52:41,840
This will allow us the opportunity to see who is getting support, who is being turned away,

1050
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:46,840
and what new programs need to be created in order to meet those needs of the participants seeking help.

1051
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:52,440
We are using data as a backbone of everything that we do, so it has been imperative to get that database up and running.

1052
01:52:52,440 --> 01:53:01,260
And we continue to collaborate with relationship building and management, including working alongside the city of Leithbridge on things like the by-name's list in the ICAP table.

1053
01:53:01,780 --> 01:53:02,380
Next slide, please.

1054
01:53:03,980 --> 01:53:06,580
On here, you can see our current funded programs.

1055
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:11,820
So we have five service providers and ten programs with two new programs coming online in the next month,

1056
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:17,340
which will be our Castle Apartments supported recovery housing and our Hayakuity case management team.

1057
01:53:17,340 --> 01:53:28,720
The 183 participants is on the lower end as it only shows the data that was in ETO, we have three programs that do not report into there, so that is a lower compared to what we are doing.

1058
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:38,790
Next slide please. So what we found, we have spent considerable time diving into research and analysis of programs and trends over time.

1059
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:45,630
This will guide our strategic development in order to make sure the builds that we are building are purposeful and meet the needs of the population that we serve.

1060
01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:50,550
Following the research and trends will allow us to be purposeful when we implement new programs

1061
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:54,770
and to increase funding to those programs who are successful and can grow and pivot quickly.

1062
01:53:56,330 --> 01:54:01,990
Finally, this will allow us to create realistic and measurable outcomes for service providers that are based on the work that they are already doing.

1063
01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:06,650
We will create these outcomes that focus on the difference we made instead of outputs or what we are doing.

1064
01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:08,490
Next slide, please.

1065
01:54:08,830 --> 01:54:09,770
And I will hand that back to Robin.

1066
01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:21,640
Thank you, so what we've started to do is a fundamental shift away from the housing first philosophy and into a philosophy with appropriate housing.

1067
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:31,200
What we've looked at on the data is that we're not seeing the results we'd like to see from the housing first way of doing things.

1068
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:37,500
we're seeing higher rates of repeat clients, case management becomes more difficult, where

1069
01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:42,480
we're seeing we're getting results is when we put the client in a housing complex that

1070
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:44,840
is actually appropriate to the need of that person.

1071
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:48,200
So the supports are in reach versus outreach.

1072
01:54:50,820 --> 01:54:51,700
Next slide, please.

1073
01:54:54,140 --> 01:55:00,780
As Kayla mentioned, one of our first projects that we were able to get confirmed was the

1074
01:55:02,460 --> 01:55:08,620
We're putting that together right now with Canadian Mental Health Association and hope to have that up and running in the next 30 days.

1075
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:24,060
The next thing that we would like to present to Council for their information is we will be putting in an application for direct control for a property located in North Lathbridge for a purpose-built support of housing unit that's the one up there on the top.

1076
01:55:24,060 --> 01:55:29,340
We're going to start designing builds to ensure the programming that is in place as in

1077
01:55:29,340 --> 01:55:35,120
reach clients aren't out and about in the community food seeking and those types of things.

1078
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:41,760
Everything will be recovery focused in hopes that we will be able to move our clients out

1079
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:47,740
of homelessness and to a recovery focused care and allow them to reach their highest level

1080
01:55:47,740 --> 01:55:48,560
of independence.

1081
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:50,660
Next slide please.

1082
01:55:50,660 --> 01:55:56,740
The support of housing will be coming forward, I believe, by the time we get everything done

1083
01:55:56,740 --> 01:56:01,140
that we need to probably won't be coming towards the Council to probably about September.

1084
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:07,180
We've hired an architect, we've got some consultants working with us, Alberta Health Services,

1085
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:12,660
and persons with developmental disabilities have been key partners in collaboration on this

1086
01:56:12,660 --> 01:56:13,060
build.

1087
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:18,360
We're focusing on across ministry collaboration, so not all the money coming from the homeless

1088
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:23,720
support, some money coming from health, and some money coming from PDD in order for us to meet

1089
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:26,120
all the needs of the clients that we're going to serve in there.

1090
01:56:27,420 --> 01:56:30,420
The bottom part of that building will be a commercial space.

1091
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:36,380
We're hoping to be able to have a primary care provider in that bottom space, so a family

1092
01:56:36,380 --> 01:56:41,360
doctor of some sort that is willing to work with our participants and as well as have a family

1093
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:45,500
or a community practice at that building.

1094
01:56:45,500 --> 01:56:54,700
We're also entertaining the idea of having a pharmacy on site to be able to not only provide

1095
01:56:54,700 --> 01:56:59,800
pharmaceuticals for our community, but also pharmaceuticals for individuals who are in a recovery

1096
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:00,780
focused care.

1097
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,160
So it's a box and replicate that sort of thing.

1098
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:08,120
They don't have to go out into the community in order to get their meds, they can actually get

1099
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:09,840
everything they need right there.

1100
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:13,620
So it's just like being in your own home, you have your own food, you have your own medicine,

1101
01:57:13,620 --> 01:57:17,620
and you can take that, all your needs are inside that building.

1102
01:57:19,460 --> 01:57:23,580
We're also moving away from the model of permanent support of housing.

1103
01:57:23,620 --> 01:57:25,260
We're moving to support of housing.

1104
01:57:25,420 --> 01:57:32,080
We're going to look at opportunities to provide different types of support of housing based on the need of the client.

1105
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:38,500
So some clients will need support for a brief period of time while they work through the recovery and back into employment.

1106
01:57:38,500 --> 01:57:47,320
And other individuals with developmental delays will need more of a supportive housing so they will always need food security and those types of things.

1107
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So we don't want to pigeonhole people into the word permanent. We want to make sure that we are supporting them and transitioning them in order for them to reach their highest level of independence.

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Next slide please.

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01:58:05,870 --> 01:58:11,790
So, for those who weren't involved in that in the 25 units of support of housing at Castles,

1110
01:58:11,850 --> 01:58:15,950
so that will be a partnership with CMAJ who are our partner owners in that.

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01:58:16,410 --> 01:58:23,870
It will be 25 beds of low-ocuity individuals, and we will utilize referrals from our centralized intake.

1112
01:58:24,050 --> 01:58:29,150
We'll have on-site staff and 24 are access to crisis services at that building.

1113
01:58:30,570 --> 01:58:31,790
Next slide, please.

1114
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:34,670
I think I've covered most of this.

1115
01:58:34,670 --> 01:58:37,190
This will be our next steps on our support of housing.

1116
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:39,010
Those 30 units were looking to build.

1117
01:58:39,630 --> 01:58:43,350
We're pursuing our zoning application at this point.

1118
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:46,610
The current zoning on that property is business industrial.

1119
01:58:47,390 --> 01:58:52,230
We will need direct control because it's 30 units that we think we can build for our budget.

1120
01:58:53,670 --> 01:58:58,950
We will be hosting tea parties and community engagement in July.

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01:58:58,950 --> 01:59:05,850
we've slated that for July 11th last far and we will be engaging with our neighbors in our community at that point.

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01:59:07,070 --> 01:59:12,970
And we will hope to continue to gather support as we move forward as a community-based organization here in

1123
01:59:12,970 --> 01:59:18,710
Lathbridge tasked with ending homelessness. And then the last slide will be presented by Kayla.

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So from our service delivery plan, we selected these areas of focus based on input from service providers

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01:59:30,230 --> 01:59:35,010
an understanding of what we excel at and what we would need support with. It's important

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01:59:35,010 --> 01:59:39,130
that we are matching the right person to the right housing at the right time with whatever

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01:59:39,130 --> 01:59:44,050
resources are available. We know that as things progress, resources are going to continue to be

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01:59:44,050 --> 01:59:48,170
in high demand and it is critical that we do what we can to encourage participants to be supported

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01:59:48,170 --> 01:59:53,130
through their highest level of independence within that. The community challenges were selected based

1130
01:59:53,130 --> 01:59:57,530
community trends, with housing at the core of everything we...

1131
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,620
In fact, on the participants that our service providers are working with, next slide please.

1132
02:00:05,940 --> 02:00:13,800
Putting everything together, it's critical that we're building programs that meet the needs of the participants we're serving and that the service continues to meet these needs as things change.

1133
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:19,560
This comes from studying the data, understanding the movement between programs and understanding what resources exist already and what don't.

1134
02:00:20,020 --> 02:00:27,720
We need to transition away from being so committed to one idea or a way of thinking that the impact becomes evident on the participants we support.

1135
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:32,300
After listening to service providers in the public, we noted that transparency was key.

1136
02:00:32,440 --> 02:00:37,120
We have heard over and over again that the process needs to be transparent to everyone and accessible to everyone.

1137
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:42,340
It was critical to put in place common definitions as a way to keep accountability in further transparency.

1138
02:00:42,660 --> 02:00:48,880
If we're not using common definitions, how do we know that we are all in the same page for service delivery, moving the needle in their same direction?

1139
02:00:50,060 --> 02:00:56,640
By creating a coordinated placement process, we are streamlining the referral process and creating the ability to track each person's movement across programs.

1140
02:00:56,640 --> 02:01:04,540
And by formalizing the eligibility process, we are bringing service providers to the table to discuss the process and create a forum to share roadbox.

1141
02:01:04,860 --> 02:01:05,380
Next slide please.

1142
02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:12,980
With our next contract here, we will be implementing new outcome measures that are meaningful to the work that is being done.

1143
02:01:13,120 --> 02:01:18,000
We will scale this from individual programs to similar programs to the entire system of care over time.

1144
02:01:18,140 --> 02:01:26,280
To create a common process which will help showcase these programs who are having immense successes and provide a forum for conversation to help out any programs who are in need.

1145
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:30,220
by tracking the overall impact on the bigger system, we can really highlight the incredible work

1146
02:01:30,220 --> 02:01:31,480
that is already being done locally.

1147
02:01:36,890 --> 02:01:39,710
So that's it really fast and I'm not sure of them. Thank you

1148
02:01:39,710 --> 02:01:45,970
and we're happy to take any questions that you might have. Thank you Ms. James and your crew.

1149
02:01:46,370 --> 02:01:52,650
Great presentation. Councillor Carlson. Thank you Deputy Mayor and I'd like to thank the presenters

1150
02:01:52,650 --> 02:01:59,790
for the update and the look forward and all the work they do in our community and for our community.

1151
02:01:59,790 --> 02:02:05,990
much appreciated. My question is on process, so this was approached to me the other day and I'll put my

1152
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:12,450
governance hat on governance committee hat. My question I guess is through you to maybe the city

1153
02:02:12,450 --> 02:02:19,590
clerk or whoever can answer this is why is this presentation at economic last week we had

1154
02:02:19,590 --> 02:02:27,790
community and social and we had housing providers and operators presenting there. Why was this an economic

1155
02:02:29,590 --> 02:02:32,550
presentation. It doesn't seem to be. It's a

1156
02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:36,330
Carlson. It's a city clerk care for it here. That was a request of

1157
02:02:36,330 --> 02:02:40,430
Ms. James to come to this meeting. So it went to a gender

1158
02:02:40,430 --> 02:02:43,010
review committee and it was approved there.

1159
02:02:45,740 --> 02:02:46,680
Hey, because one of the things

1160
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:51,920
we're struggling with at governance is what what presentations, what

1161
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:56,220
organizations go to each different one and what should be the rationale for

1162
02:02:56,220 --> 02:03:02,820
so that maybe I'll ask this question when we next convene governance, which I think is tomorrow.

1163
02:03:04,700 --> 02:03:10,780
Because yeah, there's confusion why some groups go to certain committees and other groups go to others.

1164
02:03:11,300 --> 02:03:16,220
So it was a bit confusing to me in the community. So thank you. Perhaps we'll ask Miss James and her crew

1165
02:03:16,220 --> 02:03:21,440
to come back and again tomorrow and present to that committee. It's actually community and social.

1166
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,960
I think it would be more appropriate.

1167
02:03:24,820 --> 02:03:25,440
Thank you.

1168
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:30,740
I think just to add to answer that question, we really wanted to make sure that we're working

1169
02:03:30,740 --> 02:03:38,260
very closely with Andrew Milcom and his group at CST and the idea of coming together and presenting

1170
02:03:38,260 --> 02:03:44,480
one after each other was actually kind of the initial plan, was to try to give you an update

1171
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:49,640
and try to get all the information together and be united with the City of Lathbridge

1172
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:53,500
and the last we're choosing authority on our homeless serving plan.

1173
02:03:54,180 --> 02:04:01,380
So I apologize for the bit of confusion, but we were trying to be working together on

1174
02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:01,660
that.

1175
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:02,380
Councillor Carlson.

1176
02:04:02,740 --> 02:04:03,780
Thank you.

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02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:05,200
Thank you.

1178
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:11,480
Thank you.

1179
02:04:13,300 --> 02:04:13,380
Thank you.

1180
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:13,660
Thank you.

1181
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:14,560
Thank you.

1182
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:17,620
Thank you.

1183
02:04:17,900 --> 02:04:18,200
Thank you.

1184
02:04:18,340 --> 02:04:18,660
Thank you.

1185
02:04:18,660 --> 02:04:20,440
for coming and presenting today.

1186
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:25,220
This is some great information and a great update for our community, particularly given the

1187
02:04:25,220 --> 02:04:26,600
shift in the OSSI funding.

1188
02:04:27,140 --> 02:04:32,040
On page 4 of your presentation, under research and analysis,

1189
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:36,420
there is discussion around analyzing

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02:04:36,420 --> 02:04:37,320
trends and patterns.

1191
02:04:37,460 --> 02:04:41,440
Identifying gaps in opportunities and determining achievable goals and outcomes.

1192
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:48,520
I'm wondering if you can tell us a little bit about what gaps you've found gaps in opportunities

1193
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:52,520
what trends and patterns and what goals have you set out?

1194
02:04:53,740 --> 02:04:53,960
Absolutely.

1195
02:04:55,220 --> 02:04:58,360
So, in researching the trends and what has been going on,

1196
02:04:58,780 --> 02:05:04,780
the one of the struggles that we were having is that the outcomes right now are not superhousing focused.

1197
02:05:04,980 --> 02:05:08,260
I think what it happened is trying to help everyone.

1198
02:05:08,780 --> 02:05:14,740
It kind of got a little bit too broad and too big of a picture of what we were asking people to do.

1199
02:05:14,940 --> 02:05:18,500
So, nearing that focus back on and to housing and just making sure that people are getting the

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02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:25,000
support that they need to get and stay in housing and work on building purposeful

1201
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,960
housing opportunities for the participants that are in need.

1202
02:05:32,180 --> 02:05:38,180
Absolutely, and so we were last week at the Seven Cities Conference on Homelessness and

1203
02:05:38,180 --> 02:05:43,300
Andy Young, who was one of the creators of this current system in Lathbridge, had come and presented.

1204
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:48,620
So he was talking about different outreach models and one outreach model that he discussed

1205
02:05:48,620 --> 02:05:53,140
was, you know, the people in bright colored coats with signs on them will go out and meet

1206
02:05:53,140 --> 02:05:57,480
with a hundred or two hundred or three hundred people in a night talking to them and

1207
02:05:57,480 --> 02:06:02,560
providing, you know, basic level resources to them. And at the end of the day, they can say,

1208
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:06,380
I've helped 300 people today, but when you ask what the actual measurable outcome was,

1209
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:11,600
it was, well, I talked to 300 people today. He had recommended a change and a shift to that

1210
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:15,660
more focused approach where it was, maybe you're only talking to five people in a night,

1211
02:06:15,660 --> 02:06:30,160
But if one of those five people has decided that they are ready to pursue a different type of support and get into housing and get to their needs met in a different way, it is going to be much more purposeful to the entire system because we can see the movement and the shift of getting people connected to resources.

1212
02:06:34,030 --> 02:06:34,870
Thank you very much.

1213
02:06:35,950 --> 02:06:42,230
What gaps in the city of Lepers have you specifically found in now taking over this portfolio?

1214
02:06:43,010 --> 02:06:48,870
In analyzing the data, we have found that the people who are trying to get onto a case management program,

1215
02:06:48,970 --> 02:06:53,930
the process is a bit tricky and complicated, even service providers were having a hard time describing

1216
02:06:53,930 --> 02:07:02,330
how to get a person connected to resources. So we are looking at reminding that there are different ways

1217
02:07:02,330 --> 02:07:08,330
in that people are trying to access, there are wait lists and time limits that are making it really

1218
02:07:08,330 --> 02:07:12,030
difficult if a person's told that it's going to take them two months to get

1219
02:07:12,030 --> 02:07:15,550
somewhere then they get defeated with the process.

1220
02:07:15,690 --> 02:07:20,310
So we're working very closely with our service providers to find ways around that.

1221
02:07:20,330 --> 02:07:26,190
In a way that's not going to result in an over burden on the current resources we have.

1222
02:07:26,810 --> 02:07:32,430
And then to add to that the other gap that we saw was the type of housing that we're trying to do right now.

1223
02:07:32,650 --> 02:07:38,310
Right now we've got teams out there trying to take an individual that has some complex needs.

1224
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:44,910
and put them into a market unit property and you know add some some supplements or some

1225
02:07:44,910 --> 02:07:49,130
rent supplements or something along those lines to make it somewhat affordable and then

1226
02:07:49,130 --> 02:07:54,770
provide those those wraparound supports while the client lives anywhere in the community

1227
02:07:54,770 --> 02:08:01,070
in a market property. We're seeing that not be successful for many reasons so we need to make

1228
02:08:01,070 --> 02:08:06,510
sure that we are providing housing that is built for the client instead of trying to make

1229
02:08:06,510 --> 02:08:08,550
client built into the housing.

1230
02:08:12,570 --> 02:08:14,870
I'll just ask one more question before I pop out.

1231
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:18,690
What are your top goals for this next year?

1232
02:08:20,290 --> 02:08:25,930
So we committed to continuity of service when we took it over this year.

1233
02:08:26,210 --> 02:08:28,190
So all the contracts have remained the same.

1234
02:08:28,650 --> 02:08:32,090
The significant difference you will see is when the contracts go out

1235
02:08:32,090 --> 02:08:36,790
in the late fall of this year for the next funding cycle.

1236
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:40,090
they will all have very measurable goals in them.

1237
02:08:40,370 --> 02:08:41,850
They won't be a measurable process.

1238
02:08:41,950 --> 02:08:43,290
It'll be a measurable goal.

1239
02:08:43,610 --> 02:08:46,170
So it will be how many people we would like to see housed

1240
02:08:47,090 --> 02:08:49,090
and actually measured to a number.

1241
02:08:49,290 --> 02:08:53,790
How many people we'd like to see assertively engaged with

1242
02:08:53,790 --> 02:08:56,130
by the, you know, if it's an outreach team,

1243
02:08:56,410 --> 02:08:58,970
maybe how many are sort of engaged with.

1244
02:08:59,510 --> 02:09:02,870
That leads to, you know, the housing piece.

1245
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:14,970
It'll all be based on measurable goals and then the other piece will be to ensure that we have housing that meets the needs of the clients that we're facing.

1246
02:09:16,010 --> 02:09:22,930
So we hope to make a large fundamental shift with that next funding cycle.

1247
02:09:23,930 --> 02:09:25,810
Very much I'll pop hope for now.

1248
02:09:25,810 --> 02:09:30,690
Thank you just before Councillor Campbell Johnson, just for clarification when we're talking

1249
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:35,630
about providing housing that meets the needs of the clients.

1250
02:09:35,890 --> 02:09:41,250
You're also including in that services that would be provided to the client that are either

1251
02:09:41,250 --> 02:09:44,810
at the residents or that come to the residents.

1252
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:45,490
Is that correct?

1253
02:09:46,230 --> 02:09:50,650
Yeah, so the services would be at the residents, Councillor Milton hopes so that that way

1254
02:09:50,650 --> 02:09:53,130
the client isn't out seeking for them.

1255
02:09:53,130 --> 02:10:03,230
What happens sometimes is, you know, if someone's housing market housing and maybe meals on wheels isn't in place and they still have to go to the soup kitchen in order to get meals.

1256
02:10:03,970 --> 02:10:11,850
If they're in a recovery-focused program, maybe the soup kitchen isn't necessarily the best location for them to continue to come.

1257
02:10:12,370 --> 02:10:18,950
If they're seeking, you know, a recovery-focused point of care. So if the food services were actually provided to them in their home,

1258
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:23,810
the likelihood of them continuing on a recovery focus model is significantly increased.

1259
02:10:24,330 --> 02:10:26,690
So it would be an in-reach versus an outreach.

1260
02:10:27,110 --> 02:10:28,690
Right. Thank you, Councillor Campbell.

1261
02:10:29,410 --> 02:10:32,610
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks for the presentation and all the work you do.

1262
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:38,850
I just, I wonder you can take me through a little bit about the challenges that you face with

1263
02:10:38,850 --> 02:10:43,850
rezoning. rezoning is always a thing in the city. We see it a fair bit of mean. There's a lot

1264
02:10:43,850 --> 02:10:51,510
do with education, understanding what what rezoning means or what you know direct control means

1265
02:10:51,510 --> 02:10:59,290
versus business zoning. So I'm sure I mean what what what are some of your goals and trying

1266
02:10:59,290 --> 02:11:04,090
to get that rectified and making sure that we all understand when you're saying we need to

1267
02:11:04,090 --> 02:11:07,950
rezoning to direct control in a certain area of this is what it specifically means.

1268
02:11:07,950 --> 02:11:16,910
So we're really hoping to work with Andrew and his team in order to maybe have them be able to add that into the municipal housing strategy.

1269
02:11:17,110 --> 02:11:24,390
I know it's there, but flush it out a little bit more for Council to actually allow some land uses for support of housing.

1270
02:11:25,390 --> 02:11:33,430
Within without having to go control, we've heard loud and clear from a bunch of our neighbors in the downtown that direct control scares them.

1271
02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:48,330
So we want to be a good neighbor, so we'd sure like to see some ability to have some support of housing that is in its own kind of zoning so that you know what you're going to get with that versus direct control.

1272
02:11:48,570 --> 02:11:51,130
I could turn into a shelter, I could turn into whatever.

1273
02:11:52,010 --> 02:11:53,710
So just clarity of purpose.

1274
02:11:53,710 --> 02:12:00,710
so. And you're getting support from, like, say, from Mr. Malcolm and kind of going forward

1275
02:12:00,710 --> 02:12:04,850
and making sure that when you're going for a certain part of the town that everybody knows

1276
02:12:04,850 --> 02:12:08,170
and everybody understands what you're going for, that it's going to be a win-win.

1277
02:12:08,690 --> 02:12:15,910
Yeah, we're working closely with Mr. Malcolm and trying to present a united kind of message to our

1278
02:12:15,910 --> 02:12:21,450
community that we're here to support not only the clients that we serve, but also the community

1279
02:12:21,450 --> 02:12:23,750
as a whole, and specifically are a little downtown.

1280
02:12:24,430 --> 02:12:26,370
Yeah. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1281
02:12:28,190 --> 02:12:33,650
Great. Thank you, Ms. James. I'm just pausing for a moment because they have a tendency

1282
02:12:33,650 --> 02:12:39,570
to jump in here and ask a question. Still no questions. Great. We have a, thank you very

1283
02:12:39,570 --> 02:12:44,050
much. All of you. We have a motion from Councillor Crosson.

1284
02:12:55,590 --> 02:13:01,290
Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Thank you very much for the presentation. As we all know, housing is

1285
02:13:01,290 --> 02:13:04,910
vitally important, and I'm glad to see that work is being done on support of housing,

1286
02:13:05,090 --> 02:13:09,190
and I look forward to seeing when the second third fourth and fifth support of housing is built

1287
02:13:09,190 --> 02:13:13,450
in this city. But since this is just for information, I won't go into that right now, and

1288
02:13:13,450 --> 02:13:15,510
There's no debate. I'll call the question.

1289
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:17,750
Questions been called on favor?

1290
02:13:19,190 --> 02:13:21,490
That passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

1291
02:13:23,070 --> 02:13:25,270
All right. To return to our previously

1292
02:13:26,330 --> 02:13:28,650
Programming, Mr. Library. Thank you very much for your

1293
02:13:28,650 --> 02:13:32,410
Patience. Item 5.3 tax rate review.

1294
02:13:32,510 --> 02:13:34,610
Mr. Library from Assessment and Taxation.

1295
02:13:56,610 --> 02:13:58,290
Good afternoon to the chair and members of

1296
02:13:58,290 --> 02:14:02,090
Economic SPC. I'm here to talk about the property tax

1297
02:14:02,090 --> 02:14:02,990
class review.

1298
02:14:04,190 --> 02:14:04,990
Next slide, please.

1299
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And next slide.

1300
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First off, we had to make some assumptions that things like the population estimates from

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02:14:14,670 --> 02:14:16,830
the province, Alberta, or our accurate.

1302
02:14:18,410 --> 02:14:23,910
We used assessment information that was declared into the assessment shared services

1303
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:27,890
environment, which asset they were audited provincially.

1304
02:14:28,570 --> 02:14:35,250
The studies were based on using median assessed values in each municipality and tax information

1305
02:14:35,250 --> 02:14:39,430
was based on the 2023 property tax rates in each municipality.

1306
02:14:40,490 --> 02:14:41,050
Next slide, please.

1307
02:14:44,410 --> 02:14:47,410
The MGA breaks out property into four classes.

1308
02:14:48,030 --> 02:14:50,870
Class 1 and class 2 can have subclasses.

1309
02:14:50,990 --> 02:14:53,990
Class 3 and 4 cannot have subclasses.

1310
02:14:54,410 --> 02:14:54,710
Next slide.

1311
02:14:56,570 --> 02:14:57,450
in our resolution.

1312
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,220
I wish a multi-family subclass in Lothbridge. That's been in place since at least 1975. The historic

1313
02:15:08,220 --> 02:15:12,440
ratios are listed below in the chart. Next page, please.

1314
02:15:19,070 --> 02:15:22,030
Under class 2, council has not created

1315
02:15:23,710 --> 02:15:29,250
subclasses for non-residential. The subclasses in the regulation that are allowed are small,

1316
02:15:29,250 --> 02:15:34,090
business vacant non-residential and other non-residential.

1317
02:15:34,890 --> 02:15:39,490
The problem is that small business subclass is not implementable.

1318
02:15:40,330 --> 02:15:43,670
And below are the historic ratios for non-residential.

1319
02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:45,670
Next slide, please.

1320
02:15:47,470 --> 02:15:54,610
As you can see, a large percentage of our taxable assessment basis is residential at 76%.

1321
02:15:54,610 --> 02:16:00,290
Non-residential is 20% and multifamily is 4%.

1322
02:16:00,290 --> 02:16:02,710
When it comes to paying the taxes,

1323
02:16:03,670 --> 02:16:09,210
residential pays 57% of the tax, non-residential 38%

1324
02:16:09,210 --> 02:16:12,270
and multifamily 5% next slide, please.

1325
02:16:15,910 --> 02:16:19,230
So what we did is take each municipalities' median assessment

1326
02:16:19,230 --> 02:16:23,810
and apply their tax rate from their tax rate by law

1327
02:16:23,810 --> 02:16:26,870
to come up with a median tax.

1328
02:16:28,510 --> 02:16:30,690
It came a little difficult to compare municipalities

1329
02:16:30,690 --> 02:16:34,050
because some tax amenities, some don't.

1330
02:16:35,090 --> 02:16:37,690
And the city of Lathbridge offers more services

1331
02:16:38,550 --> 02:16:41,710
than some municipalities in higher service levels as well.

1332
02:16:42,190 --> 02:16:44,190
But as you can see from the chart,

1333
02:16:45,510 --> 02:16:47,510
we're relatively close to the middle of the range

1334
02:16:47,510 --> 02:16:49,250
when we look at the median tax.

1335
02:16:49,850 --> 02:16:50,950
Next slide, please.

1336
02:16:50,950 --> 02:17:02,700
We looked at the multi-family median tax as well and that's again the multi-family rate times the tax rate.

1337
02:17:03,260 --> 02:17:09,460
You could see that we're definitely in the middle of the range when it comes to taxes on multi-family.

1338
02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:11,460
Next slide please.

1339
02:17:14,440 --> 02:17:18,840
This is just a comparison of the non-residential ratio to other municipalities.

1340
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:24,900
these. Again, we're towards middle of the range. Next slide.

1341
02:17:28,300 --> 02:17:30,860
This slide represents the distribution

1342
02:17:30,860 --> 02:17:40,580
of tax that non-residential contributes to the municipality. So in a bottom part of the graph,

1343
02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:47,260
you can see that 20% of the assessment base is non-residential, but on the top graph, you can

1344
02:17:47,260 --> 02:17:49,280
say they pay 38% of the taxes.

1345
02:17:50,140 --> 02:17:52,280
Now, that's actually relatively low compared

1346
02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:54,160
to a lot of the comparables.

1347
02:17:55,620 --> 02:17:56,400
Next slide, please.

1348
02:17:58,620 --> 02:18:01,540
The other thing we did is look at a tax per capita.

1349
02:18:02,780 --> 02:18:05,180
And again, we're in the middle of the range.

1350
02:18:06,940 --> 02:18:07,480
Next slide, please.

1351
02:18:09,930 --> 02:18:11,710
Next we looked at exempt property,

1352
02:18:12,670 --> 02:18:14,330
which includes the machinery equipment.

1353
02:18:15,470 --> 02:18:17,910
The MGA allows machinery equipment

1354
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:23,210
to be exempted from tax of council so wishes in the 1960s

1355
02:18:23,210 --> 02:18:27,450
Lathbridge Council did exempt machinery equipment from paying tax.

1356
02:18:28,350 --> 02:18:32,650
And they created a business tax instead, which is now also gone.

1357
02:18:35,350 --> 02:18:40,730
One thing about machinery equipment, they don't pay education requisite,

1358
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:45,510
whether it's tax or exempt, they don't pay for school and they don't pay for seniors.

1359
02:18:47,470 --> 02:18:52,410
The other problem is that they are actually used in calculating your equalized assessment,

1360
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:53,090
though.

1361
02:18:53,850 --> 02:19:00,330
So, it does impact the tax rates for resident or for school and for seniors.

1362
02:19:01,570 --> 02:19:02,230
Next slide, please.

1363
02:19:04,230 --> 02:19:07,110
We have 70 properties in less bridge with M&E.

1364
02:19:07,690 --> 02:19:12,570
42 of these are less than a million dollars in M&E.

1365
02:19:12,570 --> 02:19:17,530
20-8 or greater than a million with 13 of those being greater than 5 million.

1366
02:19:18,970 --> 02:19:24,470
The chart below is a comparison of other municipalities who exempt

1367
02:19:24,470 --> 02:19:32,110
amony, we're a little bit towards the rate in that graph and surprisingly close to

1368
02:19:32,110 --> 02:19:33,550
calligraphy as well.

1369
02:19:33,930 --> 02:19:34,690
Next slide, please.

1370
02:19:36,910 --> 02:19:43,490
The other thing that amony has is a distinct advantage in assessment because it's heavily

1371
02:19:43,490 --> 02:19:46,910
regulated, and there's a lot of depreciation of construction costs new.

1372
02:19:47,430 --> 02:19:54,630
It's almost about 47% of the assessment is removed from taxation right off the bat.

1373
02:19:56,210 --> 02:20:03,490
So looking in the last bridge, if we were to tax emany, it would drop the non-residential

1374
02:20:03,490 --> 02:20:10,250
ratio from 2.58 to 2.33, and it would drop the tax rate by over 2 points.

1375
02:20:11,410 --> 02:20:18,630
The problem also then is that some of the businesses may not be attracted to

1376
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:22,570
the leverage if we were to do that and they may not want to reinvest in

1377
02:20:22,570 --> 02:20:23,070
the leverage.

1378
02:20:24,130 --> 02:20:29,690
And also businesses that have M&E right now would probably be impacted

1379
02:20:29,690 --> 02:20:31,870
significantly by it's change.

1380
02:20:32,250 --> 02:20:35,450
So we're not recommending any change in policy at this time.

1381
02:20:36,590 --> 02:20:36,870
Next slide.

1382
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:44,200
This is just illustrate how much of our assessment base is exempt from taxation.

1383
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:50,240
You can see that we're one of the highest in the province and that's mainly due to a lot

1384
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:54,920
of institutional properties and universities and things like that.

1385
02:20:56,020 --> 02:20:56,960
Next slide please.

1386
02:20:59,780 --> 02:21:06,740
We looked at the tax ratios and what we could possibly do in looking at a tax ratio.

1387
02:21:06,740 --> 02:21:16,420
Non-residential is 2.58 to multi-family is 1.53 and Council can adjust either of both of those ratios if it's so wishes.

1388
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:26,700
What does happen is it shifts burden on to other property owners when it's kind of known as tax shifting. Next slide please.

1389
02:21:29,370 --> 02:21:36,630
So we actually put some numbers on paper here. If we adjusted the multifamily ratio down by a quarter point,

1390
02:21:36,630 --> 02:21:43,330
What would happen is the average home would pay $32 more in taxes per year.

1391
02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:50,370
Multifamily would have a decrease in taxation of $1,912 dollars per every million dollars of assessment.

1392
02:21:52,010 --> 02:22:00,190
Now, below is if we went to a one-to-one ratio, residential would see a $68 per year increase,

1393
02:22:00,190 --> 02:22:07,370
and multifamily would see 4,118 dollars per every million dollars of assessment as a reduction.

1394
02:22:08,110 --> 02:22:08,850
Next slide, please.

1395
02:22:10,890 --> 02:22:15,350
Then we looked at the non-residential and looking at moving that a quarter point.

1396
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:22,230
What happens is the average home would see an increase of $96 per year.

1397
02:22:22,230 --> 02:22:30,170
multi-family would see an increase of $476 per every million dollars, but non-residential

1398
02:22:30,170 --> 02:22:35,850
would see a decrease of $1297 per million in assessment.

1399
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:43,380
And as a final step, we looked at adjusting both the non-resident and multi-family down by

1400
02:22:43,380 --> 02:22:44,120
a quarter point.

1401
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:52,840
As you can see that average home would have to pay $117 per year more multifamily would

1402
02:22:52,840 --> 02:23:01,540
a decrease of a $1558 per every million dollars of assessment and non-res would see a decrease

1403
02:23:02,660 --> 02:23:05,940
of 1140 per every million dollars.

1404
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:07,940
Next slide, please.

1405
02:23:10,680 --> 02:23:16,660
The presentation has really looked at the median assessments and compared in the last

1406
02:23:16,660 --> 02:23:17,980
rich compared to other communities.

1407
02:23:17,980 --> 02:23:25,140
You can see in the graph below that we're relatively low as far as meeting assessment goes.

1408
02:23:26,300 --> 02:23:34,400
There are some of the advantages of having the lower values, of course, relate to potentially financing your property.

1409
02:23:35,160 --> 02:23:41,160
You could get a mortgage potentially for a lower valued mortgage on your property.

1410
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:46,900
or you can buy a similar property, well, a property in

1411
02:23:46,900 --> 02:23:50,620
Lethbridge, similar to something in another community.

1412
02:23:51,400 --> 02:23:56,980
Again, looking at it, we're not recommending any change

1413
02:23:56,980 --> 02:24:00,000
in policy because we are generally towards the average part

1414
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:02,240
of the range and all studies conducted.

1415
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:05,060
And next slide.

1416
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:08,120
So without I'm open to questions.

1417
02:24:10,780 --> 02:24:11,880
Thank you, Mr. Leverty.

1418
02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:14,900
I have just one question, because I'm first in the queue.

1419
02:24:16,400 --> 02:24:21,320
The MGA talks about machinery and equipment, which is to the degree in that equated,

1420
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:24,740
is that equated terminology, unless it includes technology.

1421
02:24:25,800 --> 02:24:33,140
So, is there any movement to include technology as part of the language in terms of taxation

1422
02:24:33,140 --> 02:24:35,800
and thinking in terms of server rooms and so forth?

1423
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:39,020
I'm just through the chair.

1424
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:42,020
I'm not aware of that at this point.

1425
02:24:42,020 --> 02:24:46,360
The other thing that we're looking to try and inform ourselves of,

1426
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:53,180
or, I mean, there's some things within property assessment

1427
02:24:53,180 --> 02:24:57,520
or exempt from taxation on a new construction machine

1428
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:57,980
equipment.

1429
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:01,940
A lot of times, does have technology involved in it,

1430
02:25:03,420 --> 02:25:05,220
which doesn't form part of the assessment.

1431
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:07,620
OK.

1432
02:25:08,980 --> 02:25:10,180
Councillor Carlson.

1433
02:25:12,940 --> 02:25:19,240
Thank you Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Lavity. I'll just follow up on Deputy Mayor's question.

1434
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:29,360
M&E is traditionally exempt. I'm assuming, because it's not fixed. It's kind of akin to

1435
02:25:30,320 --> 02:25:38,360
in my house and my neighbor's house. They're identical assessment, but I have a million dollars worth of computers.

1436
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:42,000
And, et cetera, that doesn't affect my assessment.

1437
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:43,200
Is that the rationale?

1438
02:25:45,480 --> 02:25:57,300
The rationale for exempting machinery equipment really lies in the advantages of billing in Alberta.

1439
02:25:59,600 --> 02:26:00,960
There's been,

1440
02:26:03,460 --> 02:26:08,080
well, over the years, it's one of the things that has been an advantage.

1441
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:19,080
in Alberta that we first don't tax it at the highest rates in the first place, and if you know a lot of places exempt it as well.

1442
02:26:20,380 --> 02:26:21,780
Okay, thank you for that.

1443
02:26:22,660 --> 02:26:31,120
And can you explain, I think it's slide, I'm going to just, I think it's slide nine, comparison with other municipalities,

1444
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:36,040
talks with the median multifamily tax comparison.

1445
02:26:36,040 --> 02:26:36,340
Right.

1446
02:26:37,460 --> 02:26:43,880
Can you just explain, is that just the amount of taxes collected on that type of property

1447
02:26:43,880 --> 02:26:46,120
are how much they tax?

1448
02:26:46,540 --> 02:26:54,560
Because if we only have five multifamily, but say, Sandelbert has 1,000 high rises, that

1449
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:59,980
I could see the difference, or is it one to one that we tax very low and say in Albert

1450
02:26:59,980 --> 02:27:01,500
taxes very high?

1451
02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:20,920
Through the chair, this represents the median assessment of all of their, all of ours and all of their multifamily assessments times the tax rate of the municipality, whatever municipality that is.

1452
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:28,220
So, St. Albert would have a higher median assessment than we had and when you apply that against

1453
02:27:28,220 --> 02:27:31,900
St. Albert's tax rates, they're higher than Lathbridge.

1454
02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:38,400
Okay, thank you. Can you help me then? And I hope I didn't miss this in your report of

1455
02:27:38,400 --> 02:27:46,700
presentation. Do most Alberta municipalities have a differential between single family residential

1456
02:27:46,700 --> 02:27:48,240
and multi-family residential?

1457
02:27:50,420 --> 02:27:53,920
Through the chair, not all municipalities have a differential.

1458
02:27:54,980 --> 02:27:56,640
Some have a one-to-one ratio.

1459
02:27:57,580 --> 02:28:01,240
Some have subclass created for multi-family.

1460
02:28:02,440 --> 02:28:04,620
Is that information that could be provided?

1461
02:28:06,380 --> 02:28:11,140
Because I'll be honest, where I was most keen to dive into,

1462
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:14,540
was the differential we have with multi-family.

1463
02:28:14,540 --> 02:28:22,660
It seems counterintuitive to me that we are struggling to build housing, we are struggling to provide housing.

1464
02:28:24,020 --> 02:28:34,920
We should be in my mind incentivizing multi-family structures because they are reduced sprawl.

1465
02:28:35,980 --> 02:28:43,300
easier to provide services, et cetera, but under a current plan, and I'm

1466
02:28:43,300 --> 02:28:47,640
rendering back to then Alderman Sean Ward, and I think he was a big

1467
02:28:47,640 --> 02:28:51,240
proponent of saying, why are we charging them more? We should actually be

1468
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:57,380
incentivizing these types of housing. So that's what I'm trying to figure out.

1469
02:28:58,480 --> 02:29:04,440
Are we working against our best, our own self-interest by saying, we really want

1470
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:08,240
to build this, and we're going to tax you a 50% more.

1471
02:29:09,500 --> 02:29:13,220
Yeah, through the chair, I'm not sure I'm the person to answer that question.

1472
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:20,840
What I could have refused back to page 18, and what the impact would be on the residential

1473
02:29:20,840 --> 02:29:23,260
rate pair if we were to do that.

1474
02:29:23,740 --> 02:29:34,000
Again, if we kind of by quarter point, we would see $32 increase for the average rate

1475
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:38,600
to one ratio, that would be an extra $60 for the average host.

1476
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:46,240
And you're right, Mr. Laverty. I'd probably post an unfair question to you because it's

1477
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:51,400
really a governance question of how we want to proceed. But more of a statement that I think

1478
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:56,060
we're working against our own self-interest when we're trying to provide more housing and

1479
02:29:56,060 --> 02:29:56,840
more densification.

1480
02:30:00,110 --> 02:30:03,950
Mr. Matthews, did you want to jump in before we move on?

1481
02:30:04,490 --> 02:30:09,530
Yes. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I'm just going to go back to Councillor Carlson's question. I think

1482
02:30:09,530 --> 02:30:12,810
it's Councillor Carlson's question. I have many here. It might have been Councillor Carlson. I can't remember

1483
02:30:12,810 --> 02:30:20,330
now. So just one point on M&E. So that is regulated by the province. I'm looking at Mr.

1484
02:30:20,350 --> 02:30:23,950
Laverty who makes me, you know, if I say something wrong, you know, correctly on the journey here.

1485
02:30:23,950 --> 02:30:28,470
So, we don't get to termination of what goes into M&E,

1486
02:30:28,550 --> 02:30:31,170
they set the M&E standards, and we follow those.

1487
02:30:31,250 --> 02:30:32,710
Is that correct Mr. Laverty?

1488
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:35,030
Through the chair of the MGA, does establish

1489
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:38,230
what qualifies for a machinery equipment and what does not.

1490
02:30:38,770 --> 02:30:41,210
It has to be involved in manufacturing and processing.

1491
02:30:43,170 --> 02:30:46,290
Yeah, that my question was in regards to moving

1492
02:30:46,290 --> 02:30:49,690
that into the 21st century to accommodate things like technology.

1493
02:30:50,650 --> 02:30:52,550
So, in that regard, that would be some pieces

1494
02:30:52,550 --> 02:30:57,830
of almost advocacy work that we would need to do with the province, the province, the ones

1495
02:30:57,830 --> 02:31:01,550
that set those pieces. And so that would be direction. I think what Mr. Lavity is referring

1496
02:31:01,550 --> 02:31:05,690
to is that we haven't heard anything that they're doing that. That piece, but that is something

1497
02:31:05,690 --> 02:31:12,270
that Council could look at is another piece of updating that tax law and so forth. What

1498
02:31:12,270 --> 02:31:13,590
classifications are in there?

1499
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,520
Thank you. Councillor Schmidt-Rubble.

1500
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:22,280
Thank you very much. And thank you Councillor Carlson for those comments. Because I had sort

1501
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:28,280
this same question with regards to incentivizing this and just along that lines I'm going to

1502
02:31:28,280 --> 02:31:33,340
throw out a question since we conveniently have Mr. Lewington from EDL in the audience right

1503
02:31:33,340 --> 02:31:38,420
now. When we're looking at tax rates and I'm wondering if Mr. Lewington can come up and answer

1504
02:31:38,420 --> 02:31:40,200
this question for us?

1505
02:31:42,740 --> 02:31:44,060
You're conveniently here.

1506
02:31:55,370 --> 02:31:58,570
Does anyone have an objection to bringing our

1507
02:31:58,570 --> 02:32:01,250
subject matter expert forward.

1508
02:32:01,950 --> 02:32:02,150
Let's see.

1509
02:32:02,370 --> 02:32:03,550
I got Mr. Lowington might.

1510
02:32:05,970 --> 02:32:06,950
Thank you.

1511
02:32:07,150 --> 02:32:07,410
Go ahead.

1512
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:15,350
So we're talking about talking about looking at tax rates here.

1513
02:32:15,570 --> 02:32:16,150
Tax rate review.

1514
02:32:17,930 --> 02:32:19,990
And we're looking at all the different ones.

1515
02:32:20,190 --> 02:32:23,110
Residential, non-residential, M&E tax rates.

1516
02:32:23,950 --> 02:32:27,450
All of these affect our economic development.

1517
02:32:28,690 --> 02:32:36,130
How will these changing them looking at them affect our ability to attract businesses to our city?

1518
02:32:36,410 --> 02:32:42,570
So I guess one of the things to start with, what are we doing right now in Lathbridge with regards to our tax rates?

1519
02:32:42,990 --> 02:32:49,090
And then maybe what could we be improving particularly with an economic development lens?

1520
02:32:49,930 --> 02:32:54,170
Thanks for the question and being called out being here for something else really appreciate the opportunity.

1521
02:32:54,170 --> 02:32:56,830
I do feel this is a better question for Mr. Lavity.

1522
02:32:58,270 --> 02:33:00,270
So, I mean, holistically, I would say, you know,

1523
02:33:00,270 --> 02:33:03,270
Council should remember that taxes are one lever that you have

1524
02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:05,190
to use from an economic development perspective.

1525
02:33:05,910 --> 02:33:08,890
Any business that's looking to either relocate to the city

1526
02:33:08,890 --> 02:33:11,850
or is considering that's here already and is looking to expand

1527
02:33:11,850 --> 02:33:14,490
is looking at the total value proposition.

1528
02:33:15,290 --> 02:33:17,270
So, for some, depending on their configuration,

1529
02:33:17,610 --> 02:33:21,070
their footprint property taxes are a more significant consideration.

1530
02:33:21,070 --> 02:33:26,090
for others, it may be, for example, the descending rate block structure we have on water.

1531
02:33:26,750 --> 02:33:29,870
Right, so Mr. Coup talked about the capacity and requirements there.

1532
02:33:30,310 --> 02:33:33,870
Water is significantly cheaper in-lathbridge for large industrial users.

1533
02:33:33,970 --> 02:33:40,030
And if you were a large industrial water user of water, you want to locate in-lathbridge rather than say,

1534
02:33:40,090 --> 02:33:45,470
Calgary even if the taxes were higher, because your long-term operating costs are actually lower in-lathbridge.

1535
02:33:46,270 --> 02:33:49,590
So anytime you're doing these kinds of benchmarking exercises,

1536
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:54,410
I would caution the committee and council to look at all of the considerations.

1537
02:33:54,970 --> 02:34:00,250
So, for example, there are a number of communities around us who perhaps might not be on the chart,

1538
02:34:00,890 --> 02:34:06,610
but are effectively local competition who have significantly lower tax rates from an industrial perspective.

1539
02:34:07,170 --> 02:34:12,830
If you go to the town of cold-ale's website, for example, they tout the fact that there are ten minutes from a major center.

1540
02:34:13,010 --> 02:34:15,710
They have some of the cheapest industrial land prices in the province,

1541
02:34:15,710 --> 02:34:18,470
one by the way, it's half the tax of the neighboring jurisdiction.

1542
02:34:19,090 --> 02:34:21,690
So they make a point of calling us out specifically for that.

1543
02:34:21,950 --> 02:34:26,870
Now, the town of Coldale also has limitations in terms of what they can offer, right?

1544
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:29,230
So they don't have the larger, heavy industrial parcels.

1545
02:34:29,490 --> 02:34:33,530
They don't have access to rail, for example, the city of Lathbridge has made investments in rail

1546
02:34:33,530 --> 02:34:35,330
that benefit industrial development.

1547
02:34:35,770 --> 02:34:40,630
So that access to that infrastructure is baked into a slightly higher tax rate here

1548
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:43,870
because you're paying for, you're getting services and access to infrastructure

1549
02:34:43,870 --> 02:34:45,630
that doesn't exist in those places.

1550
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:52,870
So, I mean, again, I would encourage Council to be very mindful of any change to taxes that

1551
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:58,470
put us at a disadvantage to neighboring jurisdictions, but also look holistically at utility

1552
02:34:58,470 --> 02:35:03,350
rates, which, again, you've already heard presentations for on the necessity, just as, you

1553
02:35:03,350 --> 02:35:07,310
know, you've previously approved 20% over four years plus for property taxes.

1554
02:35:07,850 --> 02:35:12,490
Now we're placing an additional burden on larger uses of our utilities with a similar range

1555
02:35:12,490 --> 02:35:16,010
of increase potentially should those projects move forward

1556
02:35:16,010 --> 02:35:17,130
over the next couple of years.

1557
02:35:17,750 --> 02:35:19,850
So taxes in and of itself may be not a big deal,

1558
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:22,850
but as you start stacking all of those fees and charges

1559
02:35:22,850 --> 02:35:25,410
and costs, we become less attractive.

1560
02:35:26,110 --> 02:35:28,710
The other variable for you to consider is the province,

1561
02:35:30,110 --> 02:35:31,830
preparing for my own council meeting later tonight.

1562
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:34,250
It was just reading a letter from the Minister of Municipal Affairs

1563
02:35:34,250 --> 02:35:37,270
actually, and at the very bottom that his advice

1564
02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:41,110
to elected officials and to administrative officers is to quote,

1565
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:47,170
So, together we continue to reduce unnecessary government oversight with regulatory approaches

1566
02:35:47,170 --> 02:35:54,090
and program delivery that emphasizes outcomes in order to want to track investment to support

1567
02:35:54,090 --> 02:35:56,550
innovation and three grow Alberta's businesses.

1568
02:35:56,950 --> 02:36:01,030
That's the Minister of Municipal Affairs's top three priorities, according to correspondence

1569
02:36:01,030 --> 02:36:01,910
he sent yesterday.

1570
02:36:02,870 --> 02:36:07,470
So the question we often get is, you know, when invest Alberta's here, invest in Canada's

1571
02:36:07,470 --> 02:36:09,130
there are provincial and federal incentives,

1572
02:36:09,450 --> 02:36:10,210
but we offer two investors.

1573
02:36:11,350 --> 02:36:13,130
One of the questions that inevitably comes up

1574
02:36:13,130 --> 02:36:15,890
is what's the municipality's quote skin in the game.

1575
02:36:16,450 --> 02:36:18,390
And so that usually comes down to what are you prepared

1576
02:36:18,390 --> 02:36:21,130
to do from a cost of land, from a cost of utilities,

1577
02:36:21,470 --> 02:36:24,110
from a cost of taxation, all of those kinds of things.

1578
02:36:24,670 --> 02:36:25,290
Does that make sense?

1579
02:36:25,790 --> 02:36:27,470
No, that makes some fleet sense.

1580
02:36:27,810 --> 02:36:29,670
What are some of the things we can improve on here?

1581
02:36:31,210 --> 02:36:34,070
Well, again, I think comes down to council's priorities

1582
02:36:34,070 --> 02:36:35,790
in terms of what do you hope to attract?

1583
02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:40,790
will be talking about another industry sector here shortly, that could be part of that mix.

1584
02:36:41,990 --> 02:36:46,430
If, you know, again, you have tasked as a council, you have provided funding to my organization

1585
02:36:46,430 --> 02:36:48,210
for N39 and N40.

1586
02:36:48,730 --> 02:36:53,230
So we're very focused on the agrofood corridor, kind of a spring or food corridor, as well as

1587
02:36:53,230 --> 02:36:55,710
Canada's Western Gateway, which is logistics and warehousing.

1588
02:36:56,550 --> 02:37:01,110
So again, anything, if you were contemplating, for example, a change, and that's not a recommendation

1589
02:37:01,110 --> 02:37:02,790
from administration, which I'm pleased to hear.

1590
02:37:02,790 --> 02:37:07,910
But if you were contemplating, for example, a change to M&E, and including that as a taxable

1591
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:13,270
class, that has massive considerations for the existing aggregate businesses that are here,

1592
02:37:13,810 --> 02:37:17,010
and would certainly be a discussion with new prospects.

1593
02:37:17,650 --> 02:37:22,670
And so again, I think my advice would be what you can do better is to carefully look at all

1594
02:37:22,670 --> 02:37:27,090
of those things that make us more competitive and less competitive and make sure we're always

1595
02:37:27,090 --> 02:37:29,350
airing on the side of how do we become more competitive.

1596
02:37:29,350 --> 02:37:36,450
Because, you know, Lathbridge does not exist in isolation, of course, we are competing with the rest of the world, frankly.

1597
02:37:36,990 --> 02:37:43,310
We have a number of projects in the pipeline who are simultaneously looking at the cost to operate across multiple jurisdictions.

1598
02:37:44,170 --> 02:37:49,990
And ultimately, even the companies that are here, most of them are branch locations of large multinationals.

1599
02:37:50,490 --> 02:37:56,350
Having worked in that function in one of those chairs before, I can tell you that investment came to Lathbridge

1600
02:37:56,350 --> 02:38:00,450
because it had the lowest landed cost to produce versus a plant in Ontario and Quebec.

1601
02:38:01,030 --> 02:38:04,970
And that included freight, so a company expanded in Lathbridge because it was cheaper to

1602
02:38:04,970 --> 02:38:08,890
make it here and actually ship it to Ontario than it was to make it in the Ontario plant.

1603
02:38:09,870 --> 02:38:13,830
We want to make sure we re-reouteen those advantages, and then we can drive expansion and

1604
02:38:13,830 --> 02:38:14,710
growth in our community.

1605
02:38:15,910 --> 02:38:19,470
Thank you very much, and thank you for letting me put you on the spot for that one.

1606
02:38:19,890 --> 02:38:21,150
I'll figure out a way to pay you back later.

1607
02:38:21,870 --> 02:38:22,510
Thank you, Mr. Lawrence.

1608
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:23,830
Councillor Crosson.

1609
02:38:26,670 --> 02:38:27,050
Thank you, Chair.

1610
02:38:27,050 --> 02:38:30,250
Thank you Mr. Lavretty for your work and for bringing this all forward.

1611
02:38:31,050 --> 02:38:35,150
Talk to me more about the pros and cons of a subclass for vacant land, whether residential

1612
02:38:35,150 --> 02:38:35,890
or industrial.

1613
02:38:36,370 --> 02:38:39,990
Because you sort of just briefly mentioned in the report, but don't bring any recommendation

1614
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:41,010
forward on it.

1615
02:38:42,350 --> 02:38:48,950
Through the chair, we wouldn't recommend doing that at this time.

1616
02:38:49,650 --> 02:38:55,490
It is something we could do, but it would be different tax rates for property.

1617
02:38:59,570 --> 02:39:03,070
And like I said, we just wouldn't recommend doing that.

1618
02:39:03,790 --> 02:39:06,510
What are the reasons some communities do it or don't like do it?

1619
02:39:06,850 --> 02:39:09,590
What's the advantage that I'm just trying to wrap my head around it?

1620
02:39:09,850 --> 02:39:13,910
Some municipalities actually tax it higher than,

1621
02:39:15,330 --> 02:39:17,870
or sorry, then improved non-residential,

1622
02:39:18,630 --> 02:39:20,130
because they're trying to incent development.

1623
02:39:22,010 --> 02:39:25,150
So increase the holding costs so that they develop it sooner.

1624
02:39:25,150 --> 02:39:27,730
And some are the opposite.

1625
02:39:29,090 --> 02:39:34,790
There isn't very many that actually have that classification in their bylaws.

1626
02:39:36,170 --> 02:39:40,310
This one of those things sort of in the back pocket for some communities, but rarely used.

1627
02:39:40,530 --> 02:39:41,890
Rarely used, yes.

1628
02:39:42,830 --> 02:39:43,470
Thank you very much.

1629
02:39:47,620 --> 02:39:47,920
Great.

1630
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:49,340
Thank you very much, Mr. Loverty.

1631
02:39:50,520 --> 02:39:52,100
Thank you.

1632
02:39:52,700 --> 02:39:54,540
I have a motion from Councillor Crosson.

1633
02:39:54,540 --> 02:40:00,680
tax rate review 5.3, be it resolved that the economic standing policy committee accept the

1634
02:40:00,680 --> 02:40:03,480
tax rate review as information, Councillor Crosson.

1635
02:40:04,120 --> 02:40:04,280
Thank you.

1636
02:40:04,380 --> 02:40:08,620
I brought this forward down to do a review of this a couple of months ago because it's been quite

1637
02:40:08,620 --> 02:40:10,000
a while since we've done it.

1638
02:40:10,480 --> 02:40:15,120
And we really didn't know if what we were doing was providing the best service to our community

1639
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:18,020
if we were actually hitting the right thing for the tax.

1640
02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:21,420
We asked for comprehensive review of left or just tax position.

1641
02:40:21,420 --> 02:40:25,200
the equity ability of it as it balances it's serving the community well.

1642
02:40:25,960 --> 02:40:27,920
As I think most of my colleagues know,

1643
02:40:28,300 --> 02:40:31,580
property taxes were set up as the primary way of financing

1644
02:40:31,580 --> 02:40:33,560
municipalities under the Baldwin Act of 1849,

1645
02:40:34,140 --> 02:40:36,220
which I'm sure you've all read cohesibly.

1646
02:40:37,180 --> 02:40:40,020
That was back when the only people who could vote were men who were

1647
02:40:40,020 --> 02:40:41,480
property owners of a certain amount.

1648
02:40:42,020 --> 02:40:44,980
And even though we've changed so much about cities,

1649
02:40:45,340 --> 02:40:48,500
we're still stuck as property taxes as the primary way

1650
02:40:48,500 --> 02:40:49,540
to finance municipalities.

1651
02:40:49,540 --> 02:40:52,920
And I won't go into a rant about how that's the stupidest way of financing municipalities,

1652
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:54,180
but it really is.

1653
02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:56,420
So something that needs to be changed, but not today.

1654
02:40:57,400 --> 02:41:01,320
And so this tax class review was to investigate and compare us to other municipalities.

1655
02:41:01,880 --> 02:41:04,680
Review the meeting of assessment values from a provincial comparators.

1656
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:07,040
Give us a sense of if we're doing the right thing.

1657
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:12,040
And I'm very pleased to see that the recommendation is to stay with the status quo.

1658
02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:15,740
That, you know, without a formal review, we have found the sweet spot.

1659
02:41:15,740 --> 02:41:21,280
We've found the balance that is finding the best way between residential and non-residential

1660
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:21,820
taxes.

1661
02:41:22,100 --> 02:41:25,740
We are finding a way that balances so that it keeps us sort of in that middle.

1662
02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:30,780
So it keeps us with enough money to run the municipality, but to also then balance with the needs

1663
02:41:30,780 --> 02:41:32,660
of businesses and a residential are.

1664
02:41:33,160 --> 02:41:38,440
And so today this is just to be accepted for information, but it does give ourselves and

1665
02:41:38,440 --> 02:41:44,900
our community an understanding and a sense of security that we have a tax class review in place

1666
02:41:44,900 --> 02:41:50,620
That shows that we're moving in the right direction so unless there's any questions or debates. I will call the question

1667
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:53,800
Thank you. The question has been called on favor

1668
02:41:54,760 --> 02:41:57,440
That motion passes unanimously. Thank you

1669
02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:06,140
and next is item five point four

1670
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:12,040
Let's bridge destination management organization update Mr. Elliott your back on deck.

1671
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:16,410
All right. Thank you chair Hamilton hope

1672
02:42:16,970 --> 02:42:22,990
Good afternoon, Economic SPC. I promise I will take five minutes or less

1673
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:30,290
to your questions on this update here today. So the last update on tourism and the

1674
02:42:30,290 --> 02:42:37,390
Lethbridgeology Association was provided back in December of 2022 and I'm here today to

1675
02:42:37,390 --> 02:42:41,730
just give a brief overview of what has happened in the last six months since then.

1676
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:48,750
So we've had three official mediation sessions with the City of Lethbridge represented

1677
02:42:48,750 --> 02:42:54,450
the Tourism Lathbridge represented and the Lathbridge Lodging Association represented.

1678
02:42:55,130 --> 02:42:59,730
The first mediation session was also with representatives from each board,

1679
02:42:59,910 --> 02:43:07,270
each of the LLA board and the Tourism Lathbridge board. Various conversations and activities

1680
02:43:07,270 --> 02:43:14,410
have taken place in between and after those mediation sessions, and the work of both organizations

1681
02:43:14,410 --> 02:43:21,190
has continued on and some great work has has occurred during this time as well.

1682
02:43:22,390 --> 02:43:27,990
At this point I would like to commend both organizations then their boards for taking time

1683
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:35,350
to participate and take the mediation process seriously. There was genuine effort made to seek

1684
02:43:35,350 --> 02:43:42,810
to understand interests on both sides and I think that put us on a path that allowed us to begin

1685
02:43:42,810 --> 02:43:47,410
recreating a foundation of trust in our collective relationships.

1686
02:43:49,250 --> 02:44:00,650
As a result of the mediation sessions, I wrote a letter after the third mediation session that identified four action steps that we could agree to take to move forward.

1687
02:44:01,150 --> 02:44:04,230
And that letter is attached as part of your package.

1688
02:44:04,990 --> 02:44:21,170
I won't go through each of those, but I will just say that words are one thing, actions certainly speak louder, and as a result of those commitments made in that letter, I'm happy to say that actions have begun in most of those cases.

1689
02:44:21,170 --> 02:44:27,210
So, for example, the city has actions, the fee per service work, with tourism

1690
02:44:27,210 --> 02:44:27,690
leverage.

1691
02:44:28,670 --> 02:44:32,310
And I'm a screen in myself, I've met a couple of times to work through that.

1692
02:44:32,450 --> 02:44:37,030
We're confident we can have a finished product back before you,

1693
02:44:37,470 --> 02:44:40,430
sometime in September, October at the latest.

1694
02:44:41,610 --> 02:44:47,710
I would also say that tourism leverage took the opportunity to initiate

1695
02:44:48,210 --> 02:44:54,310
on one of the other points there, a face-to-face meeting here recently with the City of

1696
02:44:54,310 --> 02:44:57,050
Lathbridge, with myself and the Lathbridge Lathbridge.

1697
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:09,820
In attendance, and it was a positive discussion where lots of information was shared both ways, and opportunities identified for some mutual collaboration.

1698
02:45:11,080 --> 02:45:28,360
Subsequent to that, the Leftridge Allogging Association issued a formal invitation to, toers and leftridge in addition to other organizations, to partner with an initiative that they had launched here in the last couple of months.

1699
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:33,860
there, visit Lethbridge.com, XR initiative, and then that better tourism

1700
02:45:33,860 --> 02:45:38,060
Lethbridge was invited to be a partner in providing content and

1701
02:45:38,060 --> 02:45:42,940
supporting that initiative to ensure that the work that has been done by the

1702
02:45:42,940 --> 02:45:49,060
lodging association to date is maximized and that the tool that was developed

1703
02:45:49,060 --> 02:45:55,380
is utilized to its fullest. So I'm happy to say that while there's a lot of work ahead

1704
02:45:55,380 --> 02:46:01,200
all of us that we feel that we're on the right path here. I think it's important to recognize

1705
02:46:01,880 --> 02:46:07,500
that the mediation was successful. The mediation process, it's full of success,

1706
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:15,320
it's not necessarily over. That remains an option. Should we need it to go back and access

1707
02:46:15,320 --> 02:46:21,160
some additional help? At this time, I think it's fair to say that all would agree that while we're

1708
02:46:21,160 --> 02:46:28,200
perhaps a fragile state right now. We are actively working on building that solid foundation

1709
02:46:28,200 --> 02:46:34,220
of trust upon which we can all move forward. And with that, I'll pause for any questions

1710
02:46:34,220 --> 02:46:34,740
or comments.

1711
02:46:38,340 --> 02:46:42,460
Thank you, Mr. Elliott. I want you to appreciate it. No questions in the queue.

1712
02:46:48,290 --> 02:46:48,590
Still no

1713
02:46:48,590 --> 02:46:49,530
questions were done.

1714
02:46:51,950 --> 02:46:56,370
I have a motion before me. I have a motion before me from Councillor

1715
02:46:56,370 --> 02:47:02,110
Let's bridge destination management organization update 5.4 be it resolves of the economic

1716
02:47:02,110 --> 02:47:07,250
standing policy committee except the let's bridge destination management organization update as

1717
02:47:07,250 --> 02:47:13,270
information counselor. Thank you Mr. Chair. Thank you very much for all the work that's been done

1718
02:47:13,270 --> 02:47:17,970
and it sounds very optimistic as well so I thank you for that and I'm not sure there's any other

1719
02:47:17,970 --> 02:47:24,990
further questions. I'll call for the vote. Well it's been called all in favor. Thank you. Thank you Mr.

1720
02:47:24,990 --> 02:47:26,990
Thank you.

1721
02:47:27,570 --> 02:47:28,430
All right.

1722
02:47:29,010 --> 02:47:30,310
Mr. Chairman, sorry to interrupt.

1723
02:47:30,910 --> 02:47:35,090
I do have to sneak out some of my apologies to you and my colleagues.

1724
02:47:35,610 --> 02:47:38,810
But I do have another appointment that I must get to.

1725
02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:39,990
Thank you.

1726
02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:42,070
Thank you, Councillor Carlson.

1727
02:47:42,350 --> 02:47:44,790
We don't lose quorum by losing Councillor Carlson.

1728
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:48,170
We need a break for a couple of moments.

1729
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:49,990
Okay, I wonder if we could take,

1730
02:47:49,990 --> 02:47:56,730
It's 415 now if we can take to 420, that gives you five minutes to go do what you need to do.

1731
02:47:57,050 --> 02:47:57,630
Thank you.

1732
02:47:58,330 --> 02:47:59,690
We are back at 420.

1733
02:56:49,220 --> 02:56:49,880
Next presentation.

1734
02:56:50,280 --> 02:56:54,820
5.5 Mr. Malcolm in regards to CWSS funding allocation requests.

1735
02:56:55,300 --> 02:56:56,540
Mr. Malcolm, the floor's yours.

1736
02:56:58,020 --> 02:56:58,900
Thank you very much.

1737
02:56:59,240 --> 02:57:02,900
Members of economic SPC and the original order of the agenda.

1738
02:57:03,080 --> 02:57:07,560
This preamble would have made a little bit more sense and answered Councillor Carlson's question.

1739
02:57:07,560 --> 02:57:14,800
We don't typically present these to the economic SPC, but due to our timelines on procurement,

1740
02:57:15,140 --> 02:57:20,200
as well as understanding that the cultural and social SPC are not meeting in July or August.

1741
02:57:21,100 --> 02:57:24,340
We wanted to get this moving and not wait until September.

1742
02:57:24,880 --> 02:57:26,920
So that is why we're here with this item.

1743
02:57:27,700 --> 02:57:28,140
Next slide, please.

1744
02:57:30,840 --> 02:57:36,080
At a high level overview, the CSD departments mandate and grant management is to oversee

1745
02:57:36,080 --> 02:57:41,000
the administration of municipal provincial and federal funds, in this particular instance we're

1746
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:43,420
talking about federal reaching home funds. Next slide, please.

1747
02:57:47,040 --> 02:57:47,340
Next slide.

1748
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:49,920
So again,

1749
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:56,980
the reason why we are coming to the SPC and ultimately to Council is in relation to an existing

1750
02:57:56,980 --> 02:58:02,400
resolution that indicates that City Council is ultimately in term decision-maker for these

1751
02:58:02,400 --> 02:58:06,340
different funding recommendations. And those funding recommendations that we were bringing

1752
02:58:06,340 --> 02:58:11,960
forward today have already been vetted and are part of a recommendation from the CWSS advisory committee.

1753
02:58:12,420 --> 02:58:12,900
Next slide, please.

1754
02:58:15,080 --> 02:58:19,040
Again, this is just to re-emphasize the timeline that we're working with and why we're here

1755
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:22,020
with a special request to this SPC. Next slide, please.

1756
02:58:24,230 --> 02:58:29,950
So we have four individual funding requests to get today for SPC's consideration. The first is

1757
02:58:29,950 --> 02:58:35,970
the CWSS and MHS or municipal housing strategy needs assessment and strategic updates. The second

1758
02:58:35,970 --> 02:58:38,290
is the shelter population support navigator.

1759
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:41,630
The third is new vans for the diversion outreach team,

1760
02:58:42,050 --> 02:58:44,390
and the fourth is an integrated coordinated access

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02:58:44,390 --> 02:58:45,730
engagement service fair.

1762
02:58:45,810 --> 02:58:46,490
Next slide, please.

1763
02:58:48,800 --> 02:58:50,900
So the needs assessment and strategic updates

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02:58:50,900 --> 02:58:54,180
is a project with a goal of hiring a qualified consultant

1765
02:58:54,180 --> 02:58:56,380
and working through a needs assessment

1766
02:58:56,380 --> 02:58:59,340
to inform the data behind what we do

1767
02:58:59,340 --> 02:59:00,660
with our funding allocations.

1768
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:02,420
This has previously been identified

1769
02:59:02,420 --> 02:59:06,560
that council has been needed as we are coming up on five years

1770
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:12,220
since the initial needs assessment was completed and the COVID pandemic has drastically changed

1771
02:59:12,220 --> 02:59:15,020
the needs and environment in our community.

1772
02:59:15,720 --> 02:59:21,620
The funding request is up to $200,000 of federal reaching home funding and there's more

1773
02:59:21,620 --> 02:59:22,540
details in the package.

1774
02:59:22,940 --> 02:59:23,380
Next slide, please.

1775
02:59:25,590 --> 02:59:28,970
Again, the request for decision reflects that information.

1776
02:59:29,450 --> 02:59:29,790
Next slide.

1777
02:59:31,550 --> 02:59:34,390
The second item is the shelter population support navigator.

1778
02:59:34,530 --> 02:59:37,730
This would be sub to contract the blood tribe department of health to imply

1779
02:59:37,730 --> 02:59:41,650
one position as a population service navigator operating out of the

1780
02:59:41,650 --> 02:59:45,750
Lathbridge Wellness Shelter Stabilization Unit connecting individuals into the

1781
02:59:45,750 --> 02:59:50,830
continuum of care at the point at which they are at which is at the shelter.

1782
02:59:51,550 --> 02:59:55,410
This procurement was a direct award to blood tribe based on being the current

1783
02:59:55,410 --> 02:59:56,950
operator and this was vetted both.

1784
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,040
The federal reaching home program. The funding would be up to 90,000 annually over a four-year term,

1785
03:00:06,040 --> 03:00:12,560
dependent on the provision of that funding. Next slide, please. And again, the request of this

1786
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:19,700
decision reflects this information. Next slide. The third item is the support of the diversion

1787
03:00:19,700 --> 03:00:26,280
outreach team, our dot, which is run by the Canadian Mental Health Association with two new vans.

1788
03:00:26,280 --> 03:00:32,180
this would be a capital purchase. The amount being requested includes a value for trade

1789
03:00:32,180 --> 03:00:37,000
in of the two existing vans. And this is to ensure consistency of their service. The vehicles

1790
03:00:37,000 --> 03:00:44,260
are aging and are increasingly out of service due to mechanical issues. And as it happens to

1791
03:00:44,260 --> 03:00:49,600
fall into place this week, one van is out of commission for a period of time getting mechanical work done.

1792
03:00:49,600 --> 03:00:54,740
This request would be up to $1070,000, again, of federal regime home.

1793
03:00:55,240 --> 03:00:56,020
Next slide, please.

1794
03:00:57,780 --> 03:00:58,280
And next slide.

1795
03:00:59,620 --> 03:01:03,260
And the final item is the integrated coordinated access engagement service fair.

1796
03:01:03,460 --> 03:01:06,100
So CSD would host an integrated service fair.

1797
03:01:06,180 --> 03:01:10,340
And this is to provide education to both connected and non-connected community agencies.

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03:01:11,100 --> 03:01:15,600
The integrated coordinated access is a contractual obligation of the region home.

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03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:25,340
And this will allow us to connect with a number of organizations that have change or change and roll over the course of COVID and over the course of the last four or five years.

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03:01:25,960 --> 03:01:40,860
The request here is for up to $20,000 for this and I would emphasize on this one that it's an up to, we don't anticipate it being this cost, but it certainly gives us the room to properly plan this type of event. Next slide please.

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03:01:40,860 --> 03:01:47,100
And for the last time, the request for decision reflects that information, and I'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

1802
03:01:54,620 --> 03:01:55,320
Thank you, Mr. Malcolm.

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03:01:55,900 --> 03:02:00,680
I hope Councillor Crosson has jumped in, but I had questions in advance.

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03:02:02,180 --> 03:02:03,780
$200,000 for a consultant.

1805
03:02:06,310 --> 03:02:08,970
How can we justify $200,000 for a consultant?

1806
03:02:10,930 --> 03:02:18,830
Well, this is a big project in terms of the amount of data and analysis that goes into it as well as community engagement.

1807
03:02:18,830 --> 03:02:23,770
We don't envision doing the same level of engagement that we completed in the first

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03:02:23,770 --> 03:02:27,890
Go-round of the CWSS which is completed four years ago. This is an update

1809
03:02:27,890 --> 03:02:32,030
But it does require us touching base with all the different service providers in our community

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03:02:32,390 --> 03:02:37,370
Of which there are many and then taking their feedback and integrated into the project.

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03:02:37,970 --> 03:02:43,350
So the scope of the project is quite large even though it is an update

1812
03:02:43,350 --> 03:02:59,770
And then the other piece is around the timeframe on which we're delivering it to by March of 2024 to align with the funding parameters and any time you put a little bit of urgency on a project that costs reflects that in terms of the resources that the consultant is putting into it.

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03:03:00,050 --> 03:03:09,790
This project was competitively procured and the cost is competitive. I believe we had over five submissions into it.

1814
03:03:09,790 --> 03:03:15,790
I think second question, $170,000 for two new DOT events, why not buy used?

1815
03:03:17,930 --> 03:03:20,890
Again, it's the type of vehicle that dot uses.

1816
03:03:21,130 --> 03:03:22,850
It's a fairly specialty vehicle.

1817
03:03:23,730 --> 03:03:30,710
And then it comes down to just again the mechanical wear and tear that the vehicles have.

1818
03:03:31,490 --> 03:03:34,590
These current vehicles, I believe, are only about five years old.

1819
03:03:34,690 --> 03:03:38,850
And the amount of kilometers and the, again, wear and tear that they put on is substantial.

1820
03:03:38,850 --> 03:03:43,010
And so, buying new has been the preferred approach.

1821
03:03:43,730 --> 03:03:44,970
Did we buy new before?

1822
03:03:45,570 --> 03:03:46,050
Yes, we did.

1823
03:03:46,930 --> 03:03:48,350
They've lasted five years.

1824
03:03:49,010 --> 03:03:50,150
That is my understanding.

1825
03:03:50,190 --> 03:03:51,950
I can confirm the years with the team.

1826
03:03:52,790 --> 03:03:53,670
Just leave me one moment.

1827
03:03:53,830 --> 03:03:54,610
That's okay.

1828
03:03:55,350 --> 03:03:56,210
That's an estimate.

1829
03:03:56,930 --> 03:04:00,170
It's probably about right in terms of actual use as both five years.

1830
03:04:00,790 --> 03:04:01,510
Okay, thank you.

1831
03:04:02,050 --> 03:04:03,110
Councillor Schmitt Rumble.

1832
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Thank you very much.

1833
03:04:06,280 --> 03:04:09,700
And thank you for bringing these four projects forward to us, Mr. Malcolm.

1834
03:04:10,800 --> 03:04:18,600
question I have with regards to the vans, and this is not in the dollars supporting, but

1835
03:04:18,600 --> 03:04:24,740
just what happens with hard assets, such as these if we stop supporting the operations

1836
03:04:24,740 --> 03:04:32,100
or that particular nonprofit stops offering the services, what happens to those hard assets?

1837
03:04:33,400 --> 03:04:40,040
We do have an agreement in place for the assets themselves in previous contracts or situations

1838
03:04:40,040 --> 03:04:45,220
where we have purchased a vehicle, they are tied to the program, and so then would be a process

1839
03:04:45,220 --> 03:04:52,280
of handing it over with the program funding. If the program was to go away in its entirety, the assets would

1840
03:04:52,280 --> 03:04:58,980
be sold and similar to what we're doing to the trade and value, and then the amount of money would be retained.

1841
03:04:58,980 --> 03:05:04,140
And in terms of its connection to the reaching home contract, I can't speak to that further

1842
03:05:04,140 --> 03:05:09,380
and I'll look to our city treasure to if he has specifics around our obligations.

1843
03:05:10,180 --> 03:05:13,840
And in the meantime, I'll just see if anyone from our team chimes in on teens here.

1844
03:05:14,620 --> 03:05:19,960
No, I really don't have anything further to add there in regards to whether or not from what Mr. Malcolm

1845
03:05:19,960 --> 03:05:20,380
has said.

1846
03:05:26,320 --> 03:05:27,560
All right, then.

1847
03:05:28,140 --> 03:05:31,680
And Mr. Malcolm, if you get any further information on that, if you could afford that onto us,

1848
03:05:31,680 --> 03:05:38,740
I'm just curious as to what happens with those hard assets if something goes off the rails with the program, that's all.

1849
03:05:39,400 --> 03:05:47,220
The next question I have with regards to the community-wide integrated coordination coordinated access engagement service fair,

1850
03:05:47,560 --> 03:05:50,460
is this something that CSD would be coordinating?

1851
03:05:51,960 --> 03:05:56,120
That is correct. The CSD department would be coordinated under RICA mandate.

1852
03:05:56,120 --> 03:06:01,840
and so we have an ICA technician as part of our staff, and we work directly with CMAJ in the delivery of integrated

1853
03:06:01,840 --> 03:06:07,780
coordinate access. So the actual cost would be something that the city oversees and delivers,

1854
03:06:07,980 --> 03:06:13,080
but we would be doing it hand in hand with CMAJ. Okay. Thank you very much. I'm one final question I have,

1855
03:06:13,340 --> 03:06:20,720
just with regards to how CWSS works. Are there any representatives from the above organizations

1856
03:06:20,720 --> 03:06:28,940
receiving money out of these four projects that sit on CWSS and is there a process that

1857
03:06:28,940 --> 03:06:32,640
removes them from discussing and voting on the above projects to come through to approval

1858
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:34,360
to us?

1859
03:06:34,900 --> 03:06:39,060
Just so that I want to be sure that there's no way anyone can say we were biased in approving

1860
03:06:39,060 --> 03:06:45,620
funds or CWSS was making sure those people were accused from any participation in those conversations.

1861
03:06:47,220 --> 03:06:52,260
So, that is an approach that is outlined in the terms of reference, and we do follow a process.

1862
03:06:52,920 --> 03:06:59,320
On that, specific to these funded agencies, there is representation.

1863
03:06:59,600 --> 03:07:03,740
I guess if you looked at CMHA in the city, the service fair.

1864
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:08,660
And I will wait and pause to see if there are team ads anybody else.

1865
03:07:08,780 --> 03:07:14,200
But as far as I know, this is fully outlined in our terms of reference, and we follow all those procedures and processes.

1866
03:07:14,880 --> 03:07:20,280
And just as I see the dots on my MS teams and there's information coming, I can answer the last two questions.

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The age of the vehicles, the current two vehicles were purchased in 2017 and 2019.

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03:07:27,000 --> 03:07:36,940
And the government of Canada has a sustainability plan that they would have to approve first before we actually purchase the vehicles that covers off what would happen if the program was to see such change.

1869
03:07:37,300 --> 03:07:38,800
Okay, perfect. Thank you very much.

1870
03:07:41,610 --> 03:07:41,910
Thank you.

1871
03:07:41,910 --> 03:07:48,290
Thank you, I wasn't going to ask about the $200,000 needs assessment that Council

1872
03:07:48,290 --> 03:07:51,990
Middleson hope asked about because that is the one that the community most raised with

1873
03:07:51,990 --> 03:07:54,170
me because we get that contract.

1874
03:07:54,730 --> 03:07:58,550
So thank you for the answer on that, but then let's just more look at process overall.

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03:07:59,550 --> 03:08:04,210
So when you are looking at this, does the group look at the entire needs in the community

1876
03:08:04,210 --> 03:08:05,130
and narrow it down?

1877
03:08:05,190 --> 03:08:11,870
Is there a process to choose the ones that are seen to be of the highest need that fit the criteria?

1878
03:08:11,870 --> 03:08:16,990
is that how it is done by this group? And are they then bringing forward to us in your estimate,

1879
03:08:17,250 --> 03:08:20,170
the highest needs that fit this criteria that you have for funding?

1880
03:08:22,600 --> 03:08:28,360
Yes, so at a high level, the process is that we use the needs assessment and our interactions

1881
03:08:28,360 --> 03:08:33,700
with the community to understand where gaps or needs are in the community. Our team then brings that

1882
03:08:33,700 --> 03:08:40,220
to the CWSS Advisory Committee for discussion. And then the follow-up meeting is we formulate a

1883
03:08:40,220 --> 03:08:44,700
recommendation and a proposal to them and they discuss and ultimately vote.

1884
03:08:45,400 --> 03:08:50,420
Once that vote is in place, we then move forward with bringing it forward to City Council.

1885
03:08:51,400 --> 03:08:56,420
Again, that aspect is because of the resolution of City Council for your involvement.

1886
03:08:56,980 --> 03:09:04,460
As it relates to our contractual obligations with reaching home, it is entirely with the CWSS as our community entity.

1887
03:09:04,460 --> 03:09:11,540
But, basically, a thorough review process based on needs assessment and funding has come up with these four suggestions.

1888
03:09:12,600 --> 03:09:19,180
That's correct. And again, I think if we go back to the beginning, we completely completed the initial needs assessment,

1889
03:09:19,940 --> 03:09:28,260
and then a large RFSQ process was initiated, asking for proposals from the community to identify programs to meet the needs.

1890
03:09:29,080 --> 03:09:39,620
Since that point in time, we've been doing it more as one-offs, utilizing any additional or left over funding after each fiscal year is over.

1891
03:09:40,080 --> 03:09:51,880
What we would be doing after this next needs assessment is, and hopefully a new reaching home agreement would be following a similar process to that RFSQ, where we identify all the needs identified in the needs assessment,

1892
03:09:51,880 --> 03:10:00,960
and putting out a large call to the community to like an RFSQ to facilitate new programs that fill or address gaps in our community.

1893
03:10:01,640 --> 03:10:02,740
Perfect. Thank you. Thank you chair.

1894
03:10:06,540 --> 03:10:07,800
Thank you. Just one second.

1895
03:10:13,330 --> 03:10:13,330
Good.

1896
03:10:14,310 --> 03:10:18,290
I see no further questions in the queue, Mr. Malcolm, so thank you very much for your presentation.

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03:10:19,730 --> 03:10:26,950
I have a motion by Councillor Schmitt Rempel, which I have asked to have split into four component pieces.

1898
03:10:26,950 --> 03:10:31,790
there are four requests here, and I've asked to have the number one, two, three, four, which

1899
03:10:31,790 --> 03:10:33,830
should be up on the board.

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03:10:37,490 --> 03:10:40,990
We will be voting on each one individually, and debating

1901
03:10:40,990 --> 03:10:46,330
them individually. Be it resolved that the Economic Standing Policy Committee meeting recommend

1902
03:10:46,330 --> 03:10:50,810
City Council adopt the following recommendations of the community well being in safety

1903
03:10:50,810 --> 03:10:57,050
strategy, CWSS, advisory committee regarding $480,000 in funding from the federal reaching

1904
03:10:57,050 --> 03:11:04,370
home are H funding portfolio. One, approve up to $200,000 of federal reaching home funding

1905
03:11:04,370 --> 03:11:10,790
as a one-time cost to be allocated for the procurement of a consultant to complete a needs

1906
03:11:10,790 --> 03:11:15,650
assessment and strategic updates to the community well-being and safety strategy and

1907
03:11:15,650 --> 03:11:20,690
municipal housing strategy as detailed in attachment one or two.

1908
03:11:21,510 --> 03:11:26,430
Point two, approve up to $90,000 annually to be allocated from the federal reaching home

1909
03:11:26,430 --> 03:11:31,930
funding portfolio over a four-year term to be allocated to the blood tribe department of health,

1910
03:11:32,530 --> 03:11:37,730
to deliver the leverage wellness shelter and stabilization unit population support navigator

1911
03:11:37,730 --> 03:11:46,590
PSN project as detailed in attachment 3.3 approved up to $170,000 of federal reaching home funding

1912
03:11:46,590 --> 03:11:51,850
as a one-time cost to be allocated to the Canadian Mental Health Association for the purchase

1913
03:11:51,850 --> 03:11:57,610
of two vehicles in support of the DOT program operations as detailed in attachment 4.

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Point 4, approve up to $20,000 of federal reaching home funding as a one-time cost to be

1915
03:12:04,070 --> 03:12:10,750
allocated for the facilitation of a community wide integrated coordinated access engagement

1916
03:12:10,750 --> 03:12:14,450
service fair as detailed in attachment 5.

1917
03:12:15,210 --> 03:12:18,290
And further than the city manager and city clerk be authorized to sign the appropriate

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03:12:18,290 --> 03:12:24,110
funding agreements, and such agreements shall be subject to continuous administrative review

1919
03:12:24,110 --> 03:12:29,450
and optional renewal at the discretion of the city of Lethbridge, pending available funding

1920
03:12:29,450 --> 03:12:30,770
from the Government of Canada.

1921
03:12:32,590 --> 03:12:33,710
Councillor Schmidt-Rumpel.

1922
03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:39,740
So, you're wanting to split this out into four separate motions?

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03:12:40,820 --> 03:12:47,420
I think that the as a result of the discussions with Mr. Malcolm, it would appear that for

1924
03:12:47,420 --> 03:12:53,600
my perspective I have more difficulty supporting some of the initiatives rather than all of

1925
03:12:53,600 --> 03:12:58,880
the initiatives and therefore I ask that the motion be divided into the four components

1926
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to allow us to vote separately on.

1927
03:13:03,860 --> 03:13:06,660
Madam City Clerk, do we not need four separate motions for this?

1928
03:13:09,030 --> 03:13:15,720
So I think that's what Deputy Mayor is saying that each one would be a separate motion and

1929
03:13:15,720 --> 03:13:16,640
voted on separately.

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So we'll start with number one, approving $200,000 of federal reaching home funding as a one-time cost to be allocated for the procurement of the consultants to complete a needs assessment.

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03:13:30,680 --> 03:13:40,320
In 2019, CST, our community social development department at the City of Leatherbridge published a five year strategic plan to inform and improve community well-being and safety and leverage.

1932
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we haven't had an update since then, and we have utilized the strategy in guiding document.

1933
03:13:47,380 --> 03:13:56,260
We have utilized the strategy as a guiding document for strategic decisions related to systems level planning in the community social service sector.

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03:13:56,660 --> 03:14:05,220
We know a number of things have changed since 2019, so it's time to certainly look at updating this and

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03:14:06,240 --> 03:14:12,820
retaining a consultant to look, update, and complete a new needs assessment and strategic

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03:14:12,820 --> 03:14:16,400
updates for our CWSS and municipal housing strategy.

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03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:22,760
As Mr. Malcolm outlined, we are looking at getting this done quickly, so costs have

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gone up to our $200,000 range on this.

1939
03:14:27,160 --> 03:14:29,500
I can certainly entertain any questions.

1940
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:32,700
Or if we have questions from Councillor Crosse?

1941
03:14:33,280 --> 03:14:34,790
You're beat from Councilor Croson.

1942
03:14:36,020 --> 03:14:36,460
All right, debate.

1943
03:14:37,080 --> 03:14:38,120
Okay. Any other questions?

1944
03:14:39,560 --> 03:14:40,780
Okay, so we're in for debate.

1945
03:14:40,980 --> 03:14:41,540
Councilor Croson.

1946
03:14:42,260 --> 03:14:45,620
I can definitely appreciate people's concerns about the amount of money on this.

1947
03:14:45,840 --> 03:14:48,860
It was one of the ones that made me kind of gasp when I first read it

1948
03:14:48,860 --> 03:14:53,360
because $200,000 for a needs assessment and an update on these plans

1949
03:14:53,360 --> 03:14:55,040
does seem like a large amount of money.

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03:14:55,480 --> 03:14:56,800
But I've also sat here in noon.

1951
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:13,260
First time, as my colleagues have been so frustrated when somebody comes before us and says, we need to do this. And you're like, is part of what plan? Why are we doing it? What preparation have you done? And then we get very upset that it's not part of something actually strategic.

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03:15:14,120 --> 03:15:27,280
So now we have staff coming forward with us going with an incredibly strategic. We have these plans. We need to update them, keep them relevant, and ensure we're offering the best possible services to our community. We have money here from the federal government to do it well.

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03:15:27,280 --> 03:15:33,280
We need to do it at a higher price than normal because we are in a time crunch, but this will then serve our

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Carey for the next five years or so, but as the last ones did, and so I will be supporting this because this is what we need to see.

1955
03:15:41,440 --> 03:15:51,200
We need to see smart strategies coming forward that are relevant to today because everything has changed since the pandemic that will actually give us those guiding ideas from moving ahead.

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03:15:51,560 --> 03:15:53,440
And I hope my colleagues will support this.

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03:15:55,840 --> 03:16:03,740
Thank you. Councillor Campbell. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This might be my debate for all of the

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for suggestions here or for proposals. I have all the faith in the world of the CWSS

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03:16:09,820 --> 03:16:17,420
Advisory Committee and they properly vetted all of these proposals, so I will say yes to all of them.

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03:16:17,720 --> 03:16:18,240
Thank you.

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03:16:21,550 --> 03:16:26,670
Thank you. So I guess I'm next in the queue. I will not be supporting this initiative.

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03:16:26,670 --> 03:16:35,250
So I am quite familiar with consulting fees and the process of acquiring consulting firms

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03:16:35,250 --> 03:16:37,730
to do very specific work.

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03:16:38,470 --> 03:16:45,850
Quite candidly, I am, as my colleague, indicated Councillor Crosson, somewhat taken

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03:16:45,850 --> 03:16:49,050
a back by the funds that we're being asked to allocate.

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03:16:49,050 --> 03:17:04,050
I'm not disputing the need to conduct a secondary review since 2019, but if we're not prepared to, or if we can't, for whatever reason, look at a cost that is going to be substantially less than this.

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03:17:04,050 --> 03:17:08,390
I can't support it, so that's my position on it. Acting Mayor Parker.

1968
03:17:08,850 --> 03:17:14,650
I think very much, and the 200,000 dollars is a lot of money, but I understand the logic

1969
03:17:14,650 --> 03:17:17,270
and the explanation that Mr. Malcolm has given us.

1970
03:17:17,430 --> 03:17:18,610
I think we have three minor selfs.

1971
03:17:18,970 --> 03:17:20,890
I know we're all say there's one taxpayer in all of that.

1972
03:17:21,070 --> 03:17:27,290
But certain grants qualify for certain things, and an item like this is a federal grant, and

1973
03:17:27,290 --> 03:17:31,390
it's qualifies for studies such as this to a consultant in that.

1974
03:17:31,430 --> 03:17:33,110
I know 200,000 dollars sounds a lot of money.

1975
03:17:33,110 --> 03:17:40,290
But I believe that it's money well served, and it's also money that it has a exact purpose

1976
03:17:40,290 --> 03:17:44,330
when the federal government and for that reason alone, I will be supporting it.

1977
03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:47,260
All right.

1978
03:17:47,480 --> 03:17:53,460
Seeing no further members in the queue for debate, then I leave it to the mover.

1979
03:17:55,850 --> 03:17:56,570
Thank you very much.

1980
03:17:56,890 --> 03:18:00,010
As we've heard, several years have passed since the assessments and strategies.

1981
03:18:00,810 --> 03:18:02,690
We do have the funds in place to do this.

1982
03:18:02,690 --> 03:18:06,090
It is part of reaching home funding and RCWSS team.

1983
03:18:06,090 --> 03:18:08,730
has reviewed and approved this.

1984
03:18:09,230 --> 03:18:11,230
So with that, I will call for the vote.

1985
03:18:11,570 --> 03:18:12,050
All in favor?

1986
03:18:14,330 --> 03:18:14,710
Opposed?

1987
03:18:17,010 --> 03:18:17,950
Thank you.

1988
03:18:20,620 --> 03:18:21,180
Thank you.

1989
03:18:21,680 --> 03:18:24,460
And we're looking at motion number two,

1990
03:18:24,580 --> 03:18:26,900
the shelter population supports navigator.

1991
03:18:27,700 --> 03:18:28,660
With this one, the left bridge

1992
03:18:28,660 --> 03:18:30,400
wellness shelter and stabilization unit

1993
03:18:30,400 --> 03:18:32,920
recently acquired a new operational service provider.

1994
03:18:33,400 --> 03:18:35,920
Identified as an opportunity to station a population

1995
03:18:35,920 --> 03:18:38,120
support navigator to operate as part

1996
03:18:38,120 --> 03:18:40,340
of the integrated coordinated access system

1997
03:18:40,340 --> 03:18:42,180
out of the shelter facility.

1998
03:18:43,080 --> 03:18:48,120
They will not operate a shelter staff or complete any shelter-related operational duties, but

1999
03:18:48,120 --> 03:18:57,560
they will be connecting people to different kinds of services and it is advantageous for the

2000
03:18:57,560 --> 03:19:02,280
blood type department of health to have this in their wellness shelter and stabilization unit.

2001
03:19:03,240 --> 03:19:06,360
I'll take any questions or we can go into debate.

2002
03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:13,540
No questions and I don't see anybody sitting in the queue period so anyone in for debate,

2003
03:19:16,090 --> 03:19:17,090
still none.

2004
03:19:19,520 --> 03:19:19,580
All right.

2005
03:19:19,580 --> 03:19:20,860
Last call for debate.

2006
03:19:22,200 --> 03:19:23,280
Closing then, Councillor.

2007
03:19:24,260 --> 03:19:28,000
I'll take that as my opening and closing and I'll call for the vote on that one.

2008
03:19:28,360 --> 03:19:29,020
Call in favor.

2009
03:19:30,680 --> 03:19:31,240
Any opposed?

2010
03:19:32,440 --> 03:19:33,460
Seeing none.

2011
03:19:35,000 --> 03:19:35,400
Thank you.

2012
03:19:35,400 --> 03:19:36,520
0.3?

2013
03:19:36,840 --> 03:19:53,800
version outreach team vans we're looking at getting new vans for the dot, the diversion outreach team that CMAJ delivers, if anybody has any questions or debate about this.

2014
03:19:53,800 --> 03:19:56,620
Now it's for Crosse and it's for debate as a lie.

2015
03:19:58,890 --> 03:19:59,290
That's for Crosse.

2016
03:19:59,810 --> 03:20:04,170
Once again, I realize $177,000 for two vehicle sounds like a lot of money.

2017
03:20:04,550 --> 03:20:08,870
But these are larger and bigger vehicles than the average person would drive.

2018
03:20:09,230 --> 03:20:12,510
And they are used consistently throughout the community.

2019
03:20:13,030 --> 03:20:16,550
They are out there every day, no matter what the weather doing the work.

2020
03:20:16,990 --> 03:20:19,290
And we cannot have these vehicles breaking down.

2021
03:20:19,390 --> 03:20:25,330
The driver is responsible for ensuring that they have people who are under the influence.

2022
03:20:25,330 --> 03:20:29,410
there are safe back there to also have the vehicle break down. We'll just add another part

2023
03:20:29,410 --> 03:20:34,330
of the chaos of the day. I hope we can't support this because not only is an essential service,

2024
03:20:34,610 --> 03:20:37,390
but they need to have vehicles in order to do this job.

2025
03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:47,560
Thank you, Carl, and Councillor Crosson. I believe that there are other options that are available.

2026
03:20:47,820 --> 03:20:54,100
I'm not sure that Mr. Malcolm, I would provide you with the opportunity to explain how we

2027
03:20:55,340 --> 03:20:59,500
have researched and determined that this is the only option. I think that there are other

2028
03:20:59,500 --> 03:21:03,320
options out there, and I'm not sure that we've explored them fully.

2029
03:21:04,220 --> 03:21:10,920
I'm not sure that $85,000 vans to pick up people off of the street and take them from

2030
03:21:10,920 --> 03:21:14,500
point A to point point B is a good use of expenses.

2031
03:21:17,090 --> 03:21:26,290
If you want to respond to that, you can't come in to debate, but that was my point anyway.

2032
03:21:26,290 --> 03:21:30,870
All right, we have acting mayor Parker in the queue.

2033
03:21:31,150 --> 03:21:31,630
Thank you very much.

2034
03:21:32,890 --> 03:21:36,930
And as well, 85,000 dollars a lot of money on any vehicle, but if you see the price of goods

2035
03:21:36,930 --> 03:21:41,670
for years, if you're even fortunate enough to even build a get one, you're pretty lucky.

2036
03:21:42,290 --> 03:21:45,010
I know firsthand the importance of these vehicles in our community.

2037
03:21:45,230 --> 03:21:49,230
I remember when we approved those through a recommendation, probably almost 10 years ago,

2038
03:21:49,690 --> 03:21:53,710
and I know how well utilized they're not only for the downtown, but I do believe those

2039
03:21:53,710 --> 03:21:58,210
are used throughout the city, so if we have issues of people in southeast

2040
03:21:58,210 --> 03:22:02,310
sub-bridge or in west sub-bridge, those vans are there, they're a great value for

2041
03:22:02,310 --> 03:22:05,390
the dollar, and I can tell you firsthand people really, really appreciate the

2042
03:22:05,390 --> 03:22:08,630
surface they do, and they do run a really, not so much, not so much, not so much

2043
03:22:08,630 --> 03:22:13,670
much, not so much, not so much, not so much, not so much, not so much, not so much, not so much, it's very professional when they deal with the people at risk, and so I will be supporting this one hundred percent.

2044
03:22:18,350 --> 03:22:23,510
Last call, no one further inferred debate, Councillor.

2045
03:22:24,230 --> 03:22:43,570
Thank you very much, so reliability of these vehicles, as we've heard, is paramount to the success of the program in order to divert calls to emergency services, the purchase of the two new vehicles will be resourced by presently unallocated federal reaching home funds, this will allow the job program to operate without the additional constraints of mechanical bills and operational downtime.

2046
03:22:44,050 --> 03:22:46,590
With that, I will call for the vote on favor.

2047
03:22:49,200 --> 03:22:49,700
Opposed.

2048
03:22:52,500 --> 03:22:53,700
Thank you very much.

2049
03:22:55,970 --> 03:23:03,290
And last one, up the integrated coordinated access engagement service fair, the City of

2050
03:23:03,290 --> 03:23:10,930
Leftridge is planning to organize the integrated service fair, and it will be used to facilitate

2051
03:23:10,930 --> 03:23:15,210
a service fair for current and or a new coordinated access partners for the City of

2052
03:23:15,210 --> 03:23:15,470
Leftridge.

2053
03:23:15,730 --> 03:23:19,630
It's a highly effective approach to engaging the community and enhancing the coordination and

2054
03:23:19,630 --> 03:23:24,690
accessibility of available social services and resources, any questions or debates.

2055
03:23:28,080 --> 03:23:30,080
Seeing none in the queue.

2056
03:23:31,100 --> 03:23:32,220
I'll call for the vote.

2057
03:23:32,500 --> 03:23:33,180
All in favor?

2058
03:23:35,780 --> 03:23:36,540
Any opposed?

2059
03:23:38,100 --> 03:23:39,260
Thank you very much.

2060
03:23:39,580 --> 03:23:39,620
Yes.

2061
03:23:39,640 --> 03:23:41,320
Thank you for separating those.

2062
03:23:57,870 --> 03:23:58,310
There we go.

2063
03:23:58,510 --> 03:24:02,630
We're coming to the tail end of our program this evening.

2064
03:24:03,810 --> 03:24:04,870
And it is this evening.

2065
03:24:05,770 --> 03:24:06,790
We have submissions.

2066
03:24:08,050 --> 03:24:10,150
Are there any questions from members of council?

2067
03:24:10,150 --> 03:24:10,790
I see council.

2068
03:24:10,790 --> 03:24:17,770
crossings in the queue in regards to the first submission, which is on growing creative industries

2069
03:24:17,770 --> 03:24:21,950
exploring city of leverage involvement in the film and TV industry.

2070
03:24:23,410 --> 03:24:24,210
Take it away.

2071
03:24:27,480 --> 03:24:28,460
I'll speak to my microphone.

2072
03:24:28,760 --> 03:24:32,020
So Ms. Brack and his question would be, I believe, to you on this one.

2073
03:24:32,460 --> 03:24:43,520
So you've brought forward in our long document two options, option one going more with the

2074
03:24:43,520 --> 03:24:49,760
an option to moving some of that money over to the city, changing N41, reducing the amount

2075
03:24:49,760 --> 03:24:52,220
to EDL, and then having the two groups work together.

2076
03:24:53,100 --> 03:24:57,340
So both would in the N perhaps accomplish the same thing, but two different ways, two different

2077
03:24:57,340 --> 03:24:59,060
approaches of doing it.

2078
03:24:59,560 --> 03:25:06,160
From my reading of the submission, the reason that council, sorry, administration is suggesting

2079
03:25:06,160 --> 03:25:12,380
option 2, is because if we go with option 1 and go all through EDL, then the city won't

2080
03:25:12,380 --> 03:25:16,280
the resources to get themselves in the right position to be able to manage anything that

2081
03:25:16,280 --> 03:25:20,920
might come to us and we be behind the eight ball. Is that an accurate reading about why this

2082
03:25:20,920 --> 03:25:26,460
is the recommendation that it provides the proper resources to make sure the city is set up

2083
03:25:26,460 --> 03:25:28,420
as well as the EDL are set up for success?

2084
03:25:29,260 --> 03:25:35,040
You're the chair and a Councillor Crosson. Yes, we're working within the approved N41 budget

2085
03:25:35,040 --> 03:25:40,360
at Council's direction. The consultants that we work with again at Council's direction

2086
03:25:40,360 --> 03:25:47,960
recommended that we establish an implement a film permit process and that is a process that

2087
03:25:47,960 --> 03:25:52,840
we would need city staff to administer. That's why we've gone with option two.

2088
03:25:53,240 --> 03:25:56,820
And so that would provide the appropriate resources to get the part that the city has to

2089
03:25:56,820 --> 03:26:01,860
do, but it'll provide some funding for EDL to support them at what they would do and then

2090
03:26:01,860 --> 03:26:07,940
the two would work collaboratively together. Would be my understanding? It would reduce the

2091
03:26:07,940 --> 03:26:16,560
of services that EDL could provide based on what they outlined in the original N41, allocating

2092
03:26:16,560 --> 03:26:21,540
some of the money that they would have put to certain initiatives to a city position. So you

2093
03:26:21,540 --> 03:26:27,360
would get a city staff person to administer, implement an administer, a film permit process,

2094
03:26:27,640 --> 03:26:32,020
and all the coordination that comes with that, and then you would get some of the services and

2095
03:26:32,020 --> 03:26:37,920
supports that EDL identified in the original N41. Okay. I think everybody can guess my

2096
03:26:37,920 --> 03:26:40,160
follow-up conversation and Mr. Looting.

2097
03:26:41,380 --> 03:26:47,560
If this is reduced and EDL only gets the certain amount, can you still do work in this field?

2098
03:26:47,900 --> 03:26:51,740
Is it something that's still feasible to move ahead if we do the two split?

2099
03:26:55,260 --> 03:27:03,000
Councillor Crosson, the original budget for N41 was actually 1.063 million over four years.

2100
03:27:03,780 --> 03:27:09,180
And this committee, during the budget time, reduced that to potentially 910,000 over three

2101
03:27:09,180 --> 03:27:14,060
years, counseling the first year of funding, with 780,000 of that coming from the city.

2102
03:27:14,680 --> 03:27:19,980
And so option two, as it's proposed, we take that original budget of just over a million

2103
03:27:19,980 --> 03:27:23,440
dollars and reduce it to $376,000, so basically a third.

2104
03:27:24,220 --> 03:27:31,660
And so when N41 was built, it was structured around the same model as both N39 and N40 with

2105
03:27:31,660 --> 03:27:37,560
an external facing investment attraction, type role, and then an internal facing to the community,

2106
03:27:37,560 --> 03:27:39,640
industry development kind of role.

2107
03:27:39,960 --> 03:27:42,380
I would suggest that at that level of funding,

2108
03:27:42,480 --> 03:27:44,860
so 3,76 over 3 and a half years,

2109
03:27:45,360 --> 03:27:47,880
that's barely enough to cover one head count with benefits

2110
03:27:47,880 --> 03:27:48,960
from a cost of employment.

2111
03:27:49,880 --> 03:27:52,220
And it would leave them basically with no operating money

2112
03:27:52,220 --> 03:27:53,880
for travel, conferences,

2113
03:27:54,660 --> 03:27:56,420
marketing, promotions, all of those kinds of things.

2114
03:27:57,500 --> 03:28:00,560
So candidly, I'm not sure the project would be worth doing.

2115
03:28:00,740 --> 03:28:02,980
We would probably withdraw our request for N41

2116
03:28:02,980 --> 03:28:04,600
and just say to the city, you know,

2117
03:28:04,620 --> 03:28:06,160
fare the well, do your own thing.

2118
03:28:06,160 --> 03:28:13,960
That ultimately would be a conversation I would have to have with the board, depending on the feedback we get from today, and that the board would have to make that determination.

2119
03:28:15,800 --> 03:28:17,760
Your honesty on that. Thank you, Chair.

2120
03:28:18,800 --> 03:28:21,180
Thank you, Councillor Crosson. Councillor Schmidt-Rubble.

2121
03:28:22,460 --> 03:28:23,200
Thank you very much.

2122
03:28:25,800 --> 03:28:31,920
I guess I'll just start with the questions, and I'll start with directing these two, Ms. Backhand.

2123
03:28:32,840 --> 03:28:39,660
has any, have we had any queries on this today that requires somebody to issue a permit?

2124
03:28:41,990 --> 03:28:47,710
Through the chair to Councillor Schmitt-Rempel, at present, any requests for coordinated

2125
03:28:47,710 --> 03:28:54,750
city services to support a film or TV production goes to our special event permit process,

2126
03:28:55,310 --> 03:29:00,910
which is a process more designed for things like festivals and other gatherings in public spaces.

2127
03:29:00,910 --> 03:29:07,090
It works to a certain extent as it allows for that coordination of services, but it's not a tailored

2128
03:29:08,010 --> 03:29:12,850
system, a tailored process designed to support film and television productions.

2129
03:29:13,950 --> 03:29:18,910
So, yes, we have received requests in the past, speaking with the administrator who

2130
03:29:19,950 --> 03:29:30,090
administers that permit process about 20, maybe over the past 10 years, but again, we've just done the best to put it through,

2131
03:29:30,090 --> 03:29:35,170
you know, whatever process we have that that's seem to address most of the of the needs.

2132
03:29:35,870 --> 03:29:43,610
Okay, so with this position then that we're looking at the the film liaison and taking into account what Mr.

2133
03:29:43,690 --> 03:29:44,990
Lewington just said.

2134
03:29:45,490 --> 03:29:51,470
Will this position then take on some of the attraction components of what economic development

2135
03:29:51,470 --> 03:29:56,110
left bridge would have been doing in their previous proposal? Will this also be part of that position now?

2136
03:29:56,590 --> 03:29:58,650
So, this position more-

2137
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,240
Any deal with permitting nothing else? And at this point we don't have anybody out doing recruitment of this industry to the city.

2138
03:30:10,540 --> 03:30:15,000
So this position is just going to be permitting and right now we have nobody else doing anything else.

2139
03:30:15,400 --> 03:30:17,800
That's correct. I'll jump out of the queue for now.

2140
03:30:19,160 --> 03:30:25,220
Thank you. I'm next in the queue. Question two, Ms. Bracken as well, probably to Mr.

2141
03:30:26,020 --> 03:30:37,300
Loinkden. So we don't have the expertise to do this currently, but we have expertise in terms of permitting generally.

2142
03:30:37,620 --> 03:30:39,560
Is that, do I characterize that correctly?

2143
03:30:40,200 --> 03:30:41,060
Yes, that's correct.

2144
03:30:41,060 --> 03:30:52,180
And Mr. Loington, are you acquiring expertise or do you currently have expertise that will be able to...

2145
03:30:52,180 --> 03:30:59,060
I guess move this in a direction that I think we're all hoping for, which is greater development in the city.

2146
03:31:00,240 --> 03:31:04,900
Thank you for the question. So N41, as proposed, was to add two headcount.

2147
03:31:04,900 --> 03:31:10,640
So the film, TV industry, as part of it, you will, you may recall from our budget presentation

2148
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:15,820
that end 41, the scope of which is creative industries, which includes things like gaming and

2149
03:31:15,820 --> 03:31:21,380
eSports as well. All of those areas are somewhat niche. So while we have investment attraction

2150
03:31:21,380 --> 03:31:26,500
and industry development expertise on our team, certainly some great staff members, these industries

2151
03:31:26,500 --> 03:31:32,260
are very, require very specific skillsets, very specific experiences, and networks in order to deliver

2152
03:31:32,260 --> 03:31:36,220
on those results. So it would be incremental resources. That's why the new initiative request

2153
03:31:36,220 --> 03:31:38,820
rather than doing it in-house with our existing staff level.

2154
03:31:40,340 --> 03:31:44,540
Thank you, then. I guess my last question through the city manager to Miss Bracken again.

2155
03:31:44,800 --> 03:31:47,700
So why would we get into trying to get into the business of doing this?

2156
03:31:49,720 --> 03:31:52,440
Are there asset, are there advantages here for us to do it or

2157
03:31:54,300 --> 03:31:59,980
this project is in response to a presentation brought forward last year by EDL.

2158
03:31:59,980 --> 03:32:06,620
identifying the city council opportunities, building on a tax credit that the province had announced

2159
03:32:06,620 --> 03:32:11,220
just freshly announced at that time and a lot of excitement around and increasing

2160
03:32:11,220 --> 03:32:16,460
productions around the province. The last of us probably the most notable and celebrated.

2161
03:32:17,520 --> 03:32:22,500
The question at the time that EDL posts to City Council was, how do you want to play in this game?

2162
03:32:22,520 --> 03:32:28,020
There's an opportunity here. City Council then provided administration with funding to

2163
03:32:28,020 --> 03:32:34,100
access some expertise through consulting services, which we did, and we brought back these

2164
03:32:34,100 --> 03:32:39,020
as options. So it's an opportunity that City Council can respond to.

2165
03:32:39,980 --> 03:32:41,160
Thank you very much. Councillor Dota?

2166
03:32:44,110 --> 03:32:50,050
Yeah, I got it, Madam. I'm somewhat puzzled by the recommendation. I don't know who would

2167
03:32:50,050 --> 03:32:58,150
sit in the administration to answer this. We have EDL going out to attract investment, and I'm assuming

2168
03:32:58,150 --> 03:33:01,690
part of in for everyone is to get the film business, things like that.

2169
03:33:01,790 --> 03:33:08,510
EDL goes out at tracks, a business, they do what's needed to get that business to come

2170
03:33:08,510 --> 03:33:12,810
to the left bridge, then all of a sudden they want to build something they come to the city,

2171
03:33:13,050 --> 03:33:16,990
they apply for development, permit, and away we go.

2172
03:33:17,810 --> 03:33:23,470
So I've heard from Mr. Lewington that if all of a sudden we were to take out the sniffle

2173
03:33:23,470 --> 03:33:30,090
portion of N41 that they would not be able to do the work, and I've heard from an administration

2174
03:33:30,090 --> 03:33:35,990
saying that, and then the report says in the city will not be able to adequately manage

2175
03:33:35,990 --> 03:33:39,570
the increased business, which at the present doesn't exist.

2176
03:33:42,330 --> 03:33:54,400
So could we not allow EDL the funding, and then from that, because they are now able to do

2177
03:33:54,400 --> 03:34:01,860
the work see what happens in terms of the attraction of the film industry that they get.

2178
03:34:02,440 --> 03:34:08,080
And then deal with the permitting process, then rather than all of us are dedicated, rather

2179
03:34:08,080 --> 03:34:13,560
than what's recommended here, dedicated person, to be available, to do permitting and

2180
03:34:13,560 --> 03:34:18,460
liais with the film industry that we don't presently have.

2181
03:34:19,180 --> 03:34:22,020
So I'm not sure who would like to try to answer that question.

2182
03:34:22,020 --> 03:34:27,480
other than saying to me the ex or the consultants have recommended it?

2183
03:34:30,480 --> 03:34:35,160
Through the chair to Councillor Dotic, I'll try to answer that.

2184
03:34:36,260 --> 03:34:41,260
Administration has worked within the approved budget to provide council with options.

2185
03:34:42,720 --> 03:34:50,460
I think if you'd like to put forward another option that you think and 41 restored funding

2186
03:34:50,460 --> 03:34:54,440
and no city position that of course is at Council's discretion.

2187
03:34:55,300 --> 03:35:02,480
I'm not sure if either of my colleagues want to jump in and provide a bit more context

2188
03:35:02,480 --> 03:35:07,600
kind of at how we landed where we did, maybe to the city treasure.

2189
03:35:09,180 --> 03:35:10,600
Through day, Councillor.

2190
03:35:11,560 --> 03:35:12,980
Do I want to hear in regards to this?

2191
03:35:13,680 --> 03:35:18,940
So as Miss Bracken mentioned, one of the things that we're trying to do

2192
03:35:18,940 --> 03:35:24,360
coming back with this is remain within the existing approved conditional budget that was the

2193
03:35:24,360 --> 03:35:29,480
direction. So the information that came back through the study in the report is suggesting

2194
03:35:29,480 --> 03:35:32,920
that we would need these kind of resources internally and I think that's what administration

2195
03:35:32,920 --> 03:35:39,980
is suggesting. And set it for obviously and that, you know, not trying to add more money into the

2196
03:35:39,980 --> 03:35:47,280
one-time cost. But that was just based on what the direction was back in January, I believe it was.

2197
03:35:48,400 --> 03:35:54,420
It was also an option one noted in the report, which is the EDL's preferred option, and

2198
03:35:54,420 --> 03:36:00,900
although it didn't sort of comport with all the recommendations made by the consultant,

2199
03:36:01,220 --> 03:36:05,800
it didn't affect the report with some of them, so you agree with me with that?

2200
03:36:06,360 --> 03:36:06,860
I agree.

2201
03:36:07,320 --> 03:36:08,740
Okay, thank you.

2202
03:36:10,630 --> 03:36:11,510
Thank you, Councillor Dota.

2203
03:36:11,750 --> 03:36:12,510
Councillor Campbell.

2204
03:36:13,530 --> 03:36:14,350
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2205
03:36:14,990 --> 03:36:15,370
Ms. Bracken.

2206
03:36:15,370 --> 03:36:31,570
Just can you take us through the discussion with the consultants if you can. I mean, I know the recommendation was to go the way that's written here, but can can you just kind of give me elaborate a little bit more about why you went that way or why they recommended that you go that way?

2207
03:36:33,620 --> 03:36:38,800
be the chair to Councilor Campbell. The consultants are here with us as well, representatives from

2208
03:36:38,800 --> 03:36:42,540
Wingwell Media, so I can we can also direct questions to them if you'd like.

2209
03:36:42,540 --> 03:36:44,840
I would love to hear their response if they wish.

2210
03:36:45,560 --> 03:36:50,940
Sure. We did provide a discovery summary of kind of the scope of their work, just to assess

2211
03:36:51,980 --> 03:36:57,560
how comparative municipalities handle the film permitting process to provide us with some recommendations

2212
03:36:58,640 --> 03:37:05,340
from we initially started with a policy conversation and their recommendation was first to

2213
03:37:05,340 --> 03:37:10,440
look at process and then if we feel they need for a policy develop that down the line.

2214
03:37:11,160 --> 03:37:15,400
Yeah, I don't know, Sharon, if you want to come up to the mic and provide a bit of background

2215
03:37:15,400 --> 03:37:18,640
kind of on the work that was completed as part of your contract.

2216
03:37:19,040 --> 03:37:25,340
I'd appreciate just, just, yeah, like the, sorry, it's been a long day.

2217
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:31,260
Just like to hear what made you come up to your decision over to what's before us.

2218
03:37:31,680 --> 03:37:35,320
And I know it's, we've been given somewhat, but I just like a little bit more detail.

2219
03:37:35,540 --> 03:37:35,940
Thank you.

2220
03:37:36,160 --> 03:37:36,420
Sure.

2221
03:37:38,100 --> 03:37:43,560
So our recommendation was not exactly what has come forward options one and two for you today.

2222
03:37:43,560 --> 03:37:58,140
Our recommendation was strictly that the City of Lethbridge higher someone, full time in place to manage a film program, and to develop and build a film program.

2223
03:37:58,640 --> 03:38:07,760
And that person should ideally be of a managerial type level, someone who has the background and experience who could build a basic program.

2224
03:38:07,760 --> 03:38:13,020
The program should contain a film permit process.

2225
03:38:13,720 --> 03:38:18,080
We've written for you production guidelines, very detailed

2226
03:38:18,080 --> 03:38:19,860
for the City of Lathbridge.

2227
03:38:20,460 --> 03:38:26,540
We've drafted a film permit application form as well

2228
03:38:26,540 --> 03:38:30,820
and providing that whole process for you.

2229
03:38:31,100 --> 03:38:36,120
So that person would implement the process work with municipal

2230
03:38:36,120 --> 03:38:45,200
staff to build the program, the procedures, builds the film permit application and then get

2231
03:38:45,200 --> 03:38:50,800
all the messaging out there to the industry that this is the process that's in place

2232
03:38:50,800 --> 03:38:57,120
at the city of Lathbridge. So that's what we base that's in the nutshell what we

2233
03:38:57,120 --> 03:39:06,560
And then, as to that person, what ideally as well, do marketing and promotion and attends

2234
03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:13,560
trade shows, industry shows, to promote, to lethbridge as a film location, get to

2235
03:39:13,560 --> 03:39:20,200
know and work with location managers, location scouts, work closely with the city of Calgary

2236
03:39:20,200 --> 03:39:23,380
as well, to help bring the industry out to lethbridge.

2237
03:39:23,380 --> 03:39:32,180
So, if you work with other communities across Canada and develop your own model as to how things work and what works and what does well,

2238
03:39:32,600 --> 03:39:36,020
and can you give me examples of some cities like, like, like, like,

2239
03:39:36,020 --> 03:39:40,340
like, let's purchase that might have attached to the report that we've provided to you.

2240
03:39:40,340 --> 03:39:42,360
You will see our comparative analysis.

2241
03:39:42,380 --> 03:39:51,820
We did a municipal comparative analysis and we analyzed, we did three cities in Alberta and two in Ontario as well.

2242
03:39:51,820 --> 03:40:01,800
And we did a comparative analysis and we gave you information in that report, detailed information on what they do, how they proceed with their film program.

2243
03:40:02,480 --> 03:40:08,860
Ontario's Head of Alberta, Ontario's Head, a tax credit program in place for much longer.

2244
03:40:09,360 --> 03:40:18,600
But since Alberta implemented the tax credit program, the industry is coming here fast, because it's a bottom line money is important for production.

2245
03:40:18,600 --> 03:40:24,260
So there's a lot coming to Alberta now, and I think now's the time for the city of

2246
03:40:24,260 --> 03:40:31,040
Lethbridge to really get things put in place because the industry is coming regardless

2247
03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:36,740
of whether you're promoted, but as soon as you start putting film locations out there, for

2248
03:40:36,740 --> 03:40:42,360
instance, the province of Alberta has a database you can submit locations to and we've made

2249
03:40:42,360 --> 03:40:48,220
a list of locations and we will submit them for the city of Lethbridge to that database once

2250
03:40:48,220 --> 03:40:53,460
that's put in place and those locations are submitted, you will find the scouts and location

2251
03:40:53,460 --> 03:40:58,460
managers that look at that database, we'll see what Lethbridge has to offer and want to come

2252
03:40:58,460 --> 03:41:01,220
out here a lot more than has come in the past.

2253
03:41:01,880 --> 03:41:02,420
Thank you.

2254
03:41:02,420 --> 03:41:03,620
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2255
03:41:05,900 --> 03:41:07,600
Thank you, Councillor Campbell.

2256
03:41:07,920 --> 03:41:08,920
Councillor Schmett-Rubble.

2257
03:41:09,540 --> 03:41:10,560
Thank you very much.

2258
03:41:11,240 --> 03:41:15,640
Mr. Lovington, if I could have you come back up.

2259
03:41:22,390 --> 03:41:26,310
So now you had indicated at one point, refreshed my memory that there are granting

2260
03:41:26,310 --> 03:41:32,470
opportunities that you would be able to access under the initial original proposal correct?

2261
03:41:32,730 --> 03:41:39,390
Yeah, so in the original proposal for N41 there's $130,000 noted there as other funds.

2262
03:41:40,350 --> 03:41:45,150
We've seen other communities in Alberta successfully access what's called the CAN export grant.

2263
03:41:45,330 --> 03:41:51,230
That's a federal program that's specific to promoting investment from outside of Canada into Canada.

2264
03:41:51,230 --> 03:41:53,270
So a number of other jurisdictions have used

2265
03:41:53,270 --> 03:41:55,610
can export to promote film industry.

2266
03:41:56,530 --> 03:41:58,650
It is, of course, matching related.

2267
03:41:59,350 --> 03:42:03,390
So as N41 is reduced, the ability to access those dollars

2268
03:42:03,390 --> 03:42:06,410
is decreased or disappears depending on the scope of work

2269
03:42:06,410 --> 03:42:09,710
and should the committee choose to change the scope of the project.

2270
03:42:10,450 --> 03:42:13,110
Again, that revised scope, if we move forward with it,

2271
03:42:13,230 --> 03:42:14,410
would have to still fit the grant.

2272
03:42:14,510 --> 03:42:18,330
So the grant was identified based on the original scope

2273
03:42:18,330 --> 03:42:20,870
and the original proposal, but that's the structure

2274
03:42:20,870 --> 03:42:21,550
of the program.

2275
03:42:22,230 --> 03:42:30,010
So there is possibility then with the reduction to 376,000 approximately, we may not be able

2276
03:42:30,010 --> 03:42:35,270
to access the full 130,000 then that's listed there, that would be significantly reduced.

2277
03:42:35,450 --> 03:42:39,090
That's correct, and again, depending on the scope and the final decision of what work

2278
03:42:39,090 --> 03:42:43,270
you would like us to go do and how that moves forward, that work may or may not qualify under

2279
03:42:43,270 --> 03:42:43,590
the grant.

2280
03:42:43,850 --> 03:42:47,790
Okay, which would also lead the Board of EDL to say they're just not interested in pursuing

2281
03:42:47,790 --> 03:42:48,570
this any longer.

2282
03:42:48,730 --> 03:42:49,170
Potentially.

2283
03:42:49,170 --> 03:42:51,510
Thank you very much, Mr. Lewington.

2284
03:42:52,130 --> 03:42:54,670
Ms. Bracken, I have a question for you.

2285
03:42:55,270 --> 03:43:02,670
We do have an option one as as Councillor Dowdick referred to, which was a sign resources

2286
03:43:02,670 --> 03:43:06,230
to evaluate and begin implementing some of the consultants recommendations.

2287
03:43:06,750 --> 03:43:12,750
I'm ending the 2023 operating budget initiative and 41 to reallocate the original budget

2288
03:43:12,750 --> 03:43:22,050
of $70, approximately $70,80,000 over September 1, 2023 to December 30, 2021, 26.

2289
03:43:23,030 --> 03:43:31,550
That option is EDL's preferred option, but it does not allow for the city's special event

2290
03:43:31,550 --> 03:43:35,990
permit process and higher that you were looking for.

2291
03:43:36,350 --> 03:43:38,190
What do we need to do?

2292
03:43:38,730 --> 03:43:40,770
What are your concerns with option one?

2293
03:43:40,770 --> 03:43:44,530
and what do we need to do to overcome those concerns for you?

2294
03:43:47,800 --> 03:43:49,660
Through the Chair to Councilor Schmidt-Rempel,

2295
03:43:50,020 --> 03:43:52,940
the concern is that we would have EDL

2296
03:43:52,940 --> 03:43:54,720
out marketing, left-bridge,

2297
03:43:54,720 --> 03:43:56,880
promoting it as a film destination,

2298
03:43:57,540 --> 03:43:59,540
and the city would not have any processes

2299
03:43:59,540 --> 03:44:03,780
or permits established to respond to

2300
03:44:04,300 --> 03:44:06,160
the work that EDL is doing.

2301
03:44:07,360 --> 03:44:09,540
So a lot of the recommendations that have come from

2302
03:44:09,540 --> 03:44:15,520
will media, we would not be able to implement on the city side of things, leaving us in a

2303
03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:20,680
position where we are continuing to put these film productions and processes through the

2304
03:44:20,680 --> 03:44:26,580
special event permit process, which is not the kind of concierge tailored experience that

2305
03:44:26,580 --> 03:44:29,780
the consultants are recommending that the film industry needs.

2306
03:44:30,340 --> 03:44:35,980
In addition to if we looked at this option one, in addition to that, the city would need one

2307
03:44:35,980 --> 03:44:39,380
The FTE is what I'm gathering.

2308
03:44:40,220 --> 03:44:42,620
That is an option before Council.

2309
03:44:43,960 --> 03:44:45,680
And that's what you would look at.

2310
03:44:46,220 --> 03:44:53,940
Now, in looking at going back to the original N41 economic development

2311
03:44:53,940 --> 03:44:55,680
and leverage had the first two years

2312
03:44:55,680 --> 03:44:58,160
as their development time.

2313
03:44:58,160 --> 03:44:58,380
with

2314
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:23,700
We passed that first year, let's say. So we're not going to be able to start anything until 2024. So that would be their development time. So we actually wouldn't need this person in place for permitting until 2025. Ideally, or would we like to see them in place for 2024 in order to build the permitting process in conjunction with economic development leverage.

2315
03:45:27,900 --> 03:45:36,040
Just to be clear too, just consulting here with Carly, the idea with the permitting process

2316
03:45:36,040 --> 03:45:40,620
is that it's part of a larger development of a program, right?

2317
03:45:41,900 --> 03:45:46,560
So I may have oversimplified by saying that it's just, you know, they're not just writing

2318
03:45:46,560 --> 03:45:46,980
permits.

2319
03:45:47,440 --> 03:45:52,320
It's part of a larger process that would involve addressing a lot of the recommendations

2320
03:45:52,320 --> 03:45:58,400
in partnership with EDL that were recommended by a winged oil media, things like establishing

2321
03:45:58,400 --> 03:46:01,280
with EDL, a dedicated website, and things like that.

2322
03:46:01,800 --> 03:46:05,880
So there would be a lot of groundwork that could potentially happen as soon as Council

2323
03:46:05,880 --> 03:46:06,540
directed.

2324
03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:11,440
I don't think it would be something if you activated EDL's funding that you would want

2325
03:46:11,440 --> 03:46:12,720
to wait on this city position.

2326
03:46:13,520 --> 03:46:15,500
But again, it's at Council's discretion.

2327
03:46:17,120 --> 03:46:21,700
But what we're still looking at is if we restore EDL's funding to what it was, you would

2328
03:46:21,700 --> 03:46:24,940
need a full time individual to look at that.

2329
03:46:25,660 --> 03:46:27,760
And I'm looking at the numbers here.

2330
03:46:28,540 --> 03:46:33,900
We're looking at approving 404,000 for three years.

2331
03:46:34,100 --> 03:46:40,000
So we're looking at approximately 13435,000 dollars per year for a person.

2332
03:46:41,040 --> 03:46:41,900
Yes, that's correct.

2333
03:46:43,320 --> 03:46:44,500
Thank you very much.

2334
03:46:45,580 --> 03:46:46,300
Mr. City Manager.

2335
03:46:48,060 --> 03:46:48,940
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

2336
03:46:48,940 --> 03:46:51,880
Yeah, unfortunately, I'll be open.

2337
03:46:52,400 --> 03:46:53,980
I spent zero time on this one.

2338
03:46:54,660 --> 03:46:58,300
And so I was speaking to staff about it.

2339
03:46:59,300 --> 03:47:01,900
And this is a little bit of a reverse field of dreams.

2340
03:47:02,000 --> 03:47:04,600
As I see it, as opposed to if you build it, they will come.

2341
03:47:04,660 --> 03:47:06,520
In this case, if they come, we'll build it.

2342
03:47:06,520 --> 03:47:08,740
And the time to build it and have the processes.

2343
03:47:09,440 --> 03:47:12,760
To ensure it's successful, if something is there,

2344
03:47:13,240 --> 03:47:14,400
I think it would be problematic.

2345
03:47:14,400 --> 03:47:19,920
and I'm looking at Mr. Lewington and the consultants to see if they might agree with my thoughts.

2346
03:47:20,140 --> 03:47:26,660
So I think working through this to ensure it's structured for success is the piece that's key.

2347
03:47:27,020 --> 03:47:37,380
So the first part is absolutely critical is doing the work, but then the second piece, not having that good cause of fail, even if the initial.

2348
03:47:37,540 --> 03:47:38,740
The front end was great.

2349
03:47:38,740 --> 03:47:41,620
Are we expecting a run on this?

2350
03:47:41,860 --> 03:47:49,120
I, to keep one person busy and bang all of a sudden we go from zero to 60 and we need

2351
03:47:49,120 --> 03:47:55,540
somebody hired PDQ so that we can get them up to speed on permitting these all these movies

2352
03:47:55,540 --> 03:47:57,600
and television shows that are coming to the city.

2353
03:47:58,160 --> 03:48:01,880
I think there's some concern about kind of momentum and reputation, right?

2354
03:48:02,220 --> 03:48:07,620
Like if we have a body like EDL out there promoting the city as a film friendly city and

2355
03:48:07,620 --> 03:48:11,560
And then they come and we squeeze them into the best permitting process that we have.

2356
03:48:12,100 --> 03:48:16,880
It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't drive with what the messaging is about who we are.

2357
03:48:17,100 --> 03:48:19,260
So I think the city managers comments are right.

2358
03:48:19,440 --> 03:48:24,480
Like we're trying to build something that then when people come, they have an excellent experience

2359
03:48:24,480 --> 03:48:28,420
and then they want to come back and they tell their friends and then all of a sudden

2360
03:48:28,420 --> 03:48:33,460
the city of Lathbridge has a reputation as a film friendly city because we set it up properly

2361
03:48:33,460 --> 03:48:35,560
and then welcome them in.

2362
03:48:36,460 --> 03:48:42,440
But it makes sense to make this position perhaps more multipurpose in terms of being able to

2363
03:48:42,440 --> 03:48:48,160
provide that level of concierge service because there are many businesses in the city that

2364
03:48:48,160 --> 03:48:53,880
voice very similar kinds of concerns in terms of being able to move through the process

2365
03:48:53,880 --> 03:48:54,760
seamlessly.

2366
03:48:57,060 --> 03:48:58,300
That's a yes.

2367
03:48:58,740 --> 03:49:04,680
And like I said, this is an opportunity for council administration was directed to investigate

2368
03:49:04,680 --> 03:49:07,080
we've done our best to bring back options.

2369
03:49:08,400 --> 03:49:10,100
Council can respond to those.

2370
03:49:10,940 --> 03:49:12,440
Thank you. Councillor Crosson.

2371
03:49:15,880 --> 03:49:19,060
Thank you. I'd like to speak with the consultants. I'm sorry I didn't catch your name.

2372
03:49:22,130 --> 03:49:25,350
As you can well hear from our questioning, this is a new concept to us.

2373
03:49:25,570 --> 03:49:27,190
We know other communities are doing it.

2374
03:49:27,430 --> 03:49:32,450
When I look at your report and you look at what locations you're hoping to promote,

2375
03:49:33,270 --> 03:49:35,450
95% of them are city locations, right?

2376
03:49:35,450 --> 03:49:42,910
Well, that's because we, sorry, we were told to list city locations because of those locations

2377
03:49:42,910 --> 03:49:44,090
we have control of.

2378
03:49:44,450 --> 03:49:45,410
No, I get that.

2379
03:49:45,770 --> 03:49:51,130
But we did recommend many other private locations that should be approached and ideally by this

2380
03:49:51,130 --> 03:49:57,310
person who is in this new position as Philly is on within approach businesses in the community

2381
03:49:57,310 --> 03:50:00,910
that have our great potential for locations.

2382
03:50:02,050 --> 03:50:05,310
There is an old mine, for instance,

2383
03:50:05,910 --> 03:50:07,610
that I could be doing much much.

2384
03:50:08,010 --> 03:50:10,950
There's lots of opportunities that, yeah.

2385
03:50:11,490 --> 03:50:12,950
No, that's fine.

2386
03:50:13,210 --> 03:50:16,470
But my question is, if they do choose to use our facilities,

2387
03:50:16,950 --> 03:50:18,230
what is the time requirement?

2388
03:50:18,410 --> 03:50:20,530
Because we're looking at whether we have appropriate staffing

2389
03:50:20,530 --> 03:50:21,950
to go into this industry.

2390
03:50:22,670 --> 03:50:25,590
I know it depends on its specific commercial or a movie and all that.

2391
03:50:25,590 --> 03:50:31,450
But essentially, what is the requirement of a place if they are chosen and how much does

2392
03:50:31,450 --> 03:50:35,930
how much does that put on to the staff of that location, you know, the sort of, what's

2393
03:50:35,930 --> 03:50:37,630
the workload for a place if they're chosen?

2394
03:50:38,810 --> 03:50:40,570
That's hard to answer because you're right.

2395
03:50:40,810 --> 03:50:45,010
There is commercials, there's television and then there's film.

2396
03:50:45,390 --> 03:50:48,510
And film, they will scout two months ahead.

2397
03:50:49,550 --> 03:50:58,110
TV will so scout two weeks ahead and commercials will be two to three days ahead and it will be a last minute request and a scramble.

2398
03:50:59,090 --> 03:51:01,890
So it totally depends on who's coming in.

2399
03:51:02,130 --> 03:51:10,890
They generally film for one or two days and they're in their out but they'll have a day of prep and the day of tear down.

2400
03:51:11,250 --> 03:51:16,330
So they might be on site for two to four days minimum.

2401
03:51:16,330 --> 03:51:19,530
Is it the same permitting process for all of those?

2402
03:51:19,950 --> 03:51:20,030
Yes.

2403
03:51:20,130 --> 03:51:22,730
It would be the same process permitting process.

2404
03:51:23,730 --> 03:51:26,210
But there is a detailed permitting process.

2405
03:51:26,470 --> 03:51:30,690
We talked about how the difference between film permitting process and event permitting process.

2406
03:51:30,890 --> 03:51:34,870
It's night and day different because you're dealing with drone usage.

2407
03:51:35,090 --> 03:51:37,950
You're dealing with sound requirements, power requirements.

2408
03:51:38,230 --> 03:51:40,490
I mean the list is comprehensive.

2409
03:51:41,370 --> 03:51:45,010
So within that is it something somebody can do up the corner of their desk or somebody who has

2410
03:51:45,010 --> 03:51:47,210
and know how to permit these type of projects.

2411
03:51:47,710 --> 03:51:50,990
It is something they would do at the corner of their desk

2412
03:51:50,990 --> 03:51:54,310
and also off their desk, because they would,

2413
03:51:54,310 --> 03:51:57,890
the person needs to, so I'm speaking from experience, sorry.

2414
03:51:58,990 --> 03:52:01,210
I'm a former film commissioner in myself.

2415
03:52:02,090 --> 03:52:05,470
And so, yes, a lot is done at your desk

2416
03:52:05,470 --> 03:52:09,930
for the process, phone calls, questions, cell calls

2417
03:52:09,930 --> 03:52:11,990
to the location managers and stuff.

2418
03:52:12,390 --> 03:52:14,470
But then there's a lot of meetings that have to happen.

2419
03:52:14,470 --> 03:52:20,650
You have to set up meetings with internal staff and the location manager to coordinate things

2420
03:52:20,650 --> 03:52:22,350
to make sure everybody's on the same page.

2421
03:52:23,310 --> 03:52:24,870
There is marketing and promotion.

2422
03:52:25,050 --> 03:52:28,390
You have to get to know the location managers and scouts in the industry.

2423
03:52:29,890 --> 03:52:34,090
There is, you've got to get to know the businesses in the community and the potential film

2424
03:52:34,090 --> 03:52:40,270
locations as well so that if they're approached directly, then they will call you and

2425
03:52:40,270 --> 03:52:42,870
say, hey, I got approached by a location manager.

2426
03:52:42,870 --> 03:52:49,910
So that you can track all this, one of the most important things as an former economic

2427
03:52:49,910 --> 03:52:53,590
development officer is having that data and information.

2428
03:52:53,810 --> 03:53:00,730
What is the true economic impact of this industry on your community and at present, I'm sorry

2429
03:53:00,730 --> 03:53:02,170
to say, you don't know.

2430
03:53:02,970 --> 03:53:08,590
So you think that there's only been that last of us and a couple of film productions, but

2431
03:53:08,590 --> 03:53:09,650
really you don't know.

2432
03:53:09,650 --> 03:53:14,870
You don't know what's been happening in your community because they could go directly to the private owners and

2433
03:53:15,270 --> 03:53:21,730
film on location and if they don't need street parking or they don't need anything from the municipality then you don't know it happened.

2434
03:53:22,290 --> 03:53:23,810
They come and they go.

2435
03:53:24,450 --> 03:53:31,090
And so a film permit process is really, really important because then it really tracks everything that's happening.

2436
03:53:31,510 --> 03:53:38,530
And the municipality cannot only find out and know what's going on in the community but you can also get some income from it because

2437
03:53:38,530 --> 03:53:44,130
your locations will then be out there and they will pay you for the use of your location

2438
03:53:44,130 --> 03:53:50,470
and there's an income from that as well and eventually as those increase that will pay for

2439
03:53:50,470 --> 03:54:00,450
your staffer and that will help a lot in that regard. From my personal experience I built our film program

2440
03:54:00,450 --> 03:54:09,570
at the city of Brampton, and I've increased by 248% in a year and a half.

2441
03:54:10,570 --> 03:54:13,990
So somebody who is doing permitting for this when I meet off the corner of their desk can

2442
03:54:13,990 --> 03:54:18,090
maybe somebody who does sports programming, and would they know would that be relevant knowledge

2443
03:54:18,090 --> 03:54:18,990
to doing this?

2444
03:54:19,090 --> 03:54:24,370
Or is it somebody who does need to be a dedicated person in this field from a city's perspective,

2445
03:54:24,430 --> 03:54:28,690
not from the EDL perspective, but from the city's perspective, or is there enough overlap

2446
03:54:28,690 --> 03:54:31,030
that they could do like a variety of work.

2447
03:54:31,430 --> 03:54:37,250
I think that they at the very beginning could probably do a variety of work, but it would

2448
03:54:37,250 --> 03:54:44,850
be tough because they need to start promoting as well and they need to get to note businesses

2449
03:54:44,850 --> 03:54:48,950
a community and get to know the location managers and that takes a lot of time.

2450
03:54:49,410 --> 03:54:56,070
So I think that the program wouldn't be as successful if they were split.

2451
03:54:57,350 --> 03:55:08,930
And there's the same person just programming, do they also then work with, because again, if they use a city facility, do they also oversee the location, or is that the staff of that location?

2452
03:55:09,130 --> 03:55:15,470
Should be the staff of that location, because they know the location, but they will work with the staff person to make sure that everything is met.

2453
03:55:15,930 --> 03:55:19,890
Okay, and so that increases the staff's work at the location as well, they're a popular location.

2454
03:55:20,090 --> 03:55:21,650
It does. Yep, it does.

2455
03:55:22,030 --> 03:55:22,570
Thank you.

2456
03:55:22,570 --> 03:55:26,410
Thank you, Chair, I'm sure he's listening really hard to me.

2457
03:55:28,220 --> 03:55:29,840
Thank you, Councillor Crosson.

2458
03:55:30,000 --> 03:55:33,080
We were having a very heated discussion over here.

2459
03:55:33,440 --> 03:55:33,740
Thank you.

2460
03:55:34,300 --> 03:55:35,080
I'm not.

2461
03:55:35,200 --> 03:55:37,360
Not at this point, but it might.

2462
03:55:37,640 --> 03:55:39,220
There might be a friendly amendment.

2463
03:55:39,700 --> 03:55:40,640
Acting Mayor Parker.

2464
03:55:41,180 --> 03:55:41,360
Thank you.

2465
03:55:41,600 --> 03:55:44,660
And let's take a big deep breath here.

2466
03:55:45,440 --> 03:55:51,340
I think we got really excited when the last of us was being filmed in former cloud.

2467
03:55:51,340 --> 03:55:58,560
there was a lot of buzz in the surrounding area, there was, so my question first and foremost and I think this later here we answered

2468
03:55:58,560 --> 03:56:05,800
When they went to Fort McCloud and we've done Ghostbusters, they did, there was another movie that was done in picture viewed

2469
03:56:05,800 --> 03:56:12,480
Interstellar, thank you very much, the old film movies like 5 or 10 but anyway, and then they also did the last of us

2470
03:56:12,480 --> 03:56:18,400
There's a lot of buzz, do they have someone in Fort McCloud or do they like can you explain how Fort McCloud got that

2471
03:56:21,500 --> 03:56:27,580
So likely there was a location scout, a manager that knew about Fort McLeod and then approached them.

2472
03:56:27,920 --> 03:56:37,040
But yeah, Fort McLeod would have had someone working dedicated and working with the production to make sure that things are being met from their perspective.

2473
03:56:38,640 --> 03:56:43,280
And that insurance is covered in all things are put in place.

2474
03:56:43,820 --> 03:56:45,380
And you know what's going on. Yeah.

2475
03:56:45,380 --> 03:56:50,380
Thank you very much and so I'm trying to think I don't want to hire a full-time employee

2476
03:56:51,000 --> 03:56:58,160
To be doing this and I think this really goes under the economic development just economic fringe business draws business

2477
03:56:58,740 --> 03:57:02,420
They talk to a lot of folks and all that it just makes a lot of sense

2478
03:57:02,420 --> 03:57:08,360
But also I don't want to put funding there on an ongoing basis, partly because I

2479
03:57:08,360 --> 03:57:12,600
Don't think you well how many movies have you drawn in like I don't think there's a lot of measurables there like

2480
03:57:13,100 --> 03:57:20,720
There's I don't want to put that kind of pressure on economic development as well as like I don't want to say Mr. Lewington how many movies or how many shots have been shot here and all that

2481
03:57:20,720 --> 03:57:26,680
Because I think a lot of the experts the industry know the world they know what are the best places

2482
03:57:26,680 --> 03:57:30,820
They know if we need a shot of the coolies or something like that leverage on there

2483
03:57:30,820 --> 03:57:35,100
But I want them to be able to call someone and I don't and I think we have awesome staff in the city

2484
03:57:35,100 --> 03:57:41,060
But do you think it's more appropriate that it be under the umbrella of the economic development that they have I don't want

2485
03:57:41,060 --> 03:57:43,380
and I can't tell myself what to do with this team,

2486
03:57:43,800 --> 03:57:46,580
but to have someone who does numerous jobs,

2487
03:57:46,720 --> 03:57:48,380
but they have some expertise that could be trained

2488
03:57:48,380 --> 03:57:51,340
in that that he could leverage them within this team.

2489
03:57:51,440 --> 03:57:52,280
Would that make more sense?

2490
03:57:52,460 --> 03:57:56,500
I think that whoever does this should be dedicated to it.

2491
03:57:57,300 --> 03:58:00,420
Because I think, for speaking from experience,

2492
03:58:01,480 --> 03:58:04,440
when you're split, doing two jobs,

2493
03:58:05,080 --> 03:58:07,800
because I did at one point tourism in film,

2494
03:58:07,800 --> 03:58:18,660
And then I had to film took over and I had to push tourism and hire somebody else to do the tourism site and focus on the film.

2495
03:58:20,740 --> 03:58:22,800
Because it's a lot of work.

2496
03:58:23,140 --> 03:58:24,220
Film is a lot.

2497
03:58:24,460 --> 03:58:30,260
When you look at the report of what has to be put in place, there is a lot to be put in place.

2498
03:58:31,280 --> 03:58:37,720
And the sooner it's put in place, the better because then when film comes to you, it's an easy and quick process.

2499
03:58:37,720 --> 03:58:43,300
and if it's easy and quick process, then they'll have a great experience and then word

2500
03:58:43,300 --> 03:58:48,820
of mouth is unbelievable and then they will come easily and more frequently.

2501
03:58:50,020 --> 03:58:57,760
Where that person resides, whether it's an economic development or tourism or another culture

2502
03:58:57,760 --> 03:59:03,380
or wherever, it's totally up to you, it can reside in any one of those three be successful.

2503
03:59:04,440 --> 03:59:09,660
Okay, so my question to you and, and obviously Formic Cloud has a niche, has that look,

2504
03:59:09,940 --> 03:59:13,920
has that kind of like, just seems like a, you know, historic downtown, so it has that

2505
03:59:13,920 --> 03:59:15,280
Empress theater feeling all that.

2506
03:59:15,480 --> 03:59:19,320
So right now, let's say there's a big movie, like a, wow, Loppbridge looks awesome.

2507
03:59:21,120 --> 03:59:26,180
My question, I don't know if Mr. Lewington can answer, let me see, I want to do a movie in

2508
03:59:26,180 --> 03:59:26,800
Loppbridge.

2509
03:59:27,440 --> 03:59:28,460
They call 3-1-1.

2510
03:59:28,600 --> 03:59:29,020
Where do they call?

2511
03:59:29,020 --> 03:59:31,640
So, that's the thing we know that-

2512
03:59:31,640 --> 03:59:32,740
Like, that's the question, that's the question.

2513
03:59:32,740 --> 03:59:47,560
From, generally, film location managers know to approach the municipality, and they know that it's likely going to reside in economic development tourism or culture.

2514
03:59:48,440 --> 03:59:52,600
They know it's going to be one of the three, but every city is different in our report.

2515
03:59:53,660 --> 03:59:58,020
Some of the municipalities we spoke to, it was in tourism, some of it was in economic development.

2516
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:15,020
Some of us in culture. But they will approach the municipality. And I know I think with this is us, that was a class of us, I think, last of us approached tourism.

2517
04:00:16,700 --> 04:00:23,220
And then they spoke to them and then tourism spoke to the municipality to try and coordinate things.

2518
04:00:23,220 --> 04:00:28,600
You ever had a phone call or your department saying, hey, we're looking at doing a movie, not that it ever happened to

2519
04:00:28,600 --> 04:00:30,480
the key to fruition, but did you have a lot of inquiries?

2520
04:00:31,440 --> 04:00:35,900
Through the chair to Councillor Parker, so the special event permit process right now is housed within

2521
04:00:35,900 --> 04:00:42,940
recreation culture, so yes, we have had some calls, but like I said, maybe 20 over the past 10 years, so one or two a year.

2522
04:00:43,240 --> 04:00:53,200
And when it does come to you, you would send that to the people that you know that you can trust with this, you have people that you can...

2523
04:00:53,200 --> 04:00:56,160
We would just take it through the special event process, right?

2524
04:00:56,180 --> 04:01:01,720
Like the special event permitting process, which is to coordinate city services, essentially.

2525
04:01:02,300 --> 04:01:08,300
But it's interesting, through this process, to learn about the productions that came to the city

2526
04:01:08,300 --> 04:01:14,240
that we had no knowledge of and vice versa, that there were groups going to EDL, groups going to tourism,

2527
04:01:14,900 --> 04:01:17,020
that had no idea what was happening at the city.

2528
04:01:17,020 --> 04:01:28,040
So, the question is a very valid one, who do you call and at the moment it's anybody and you'll get some type of help from the city we can get your fire services

2529
04:01:28,040 --> 04:01:37,380
We can close some roads from ideal they can help promote and you know with those kinds of marketing economic development relationships tourism you know same kind of thing

2530
04:01:37,380 --> 04:01:40,000
But right now there's no coordinated approach

2531
04:01:40,000 --> 04:01:43,060
But what it sounds like to me is we just need something,

2532
04:01:43,060 --> 04:01:47,500
some kind of template in place that when something does it happen,

2533
04:01:47,740 --> 04:01:50,440
you can check off the boxes and you can, you know,

2534
04:01:50,580 --> 04:01:54,660
all the things, so it makes it easier for the movie producer,

2535
04:01:54,940 --> 04:01:56,540
the movie studio, whatever to say.

2536
04:01:56,640 --> 04:01:58,780
You know what, Lopper just got a great template in place.

2537
04:01:59,320 --> 04:02:02,000
Does that mean you need to have a person or you just need to have a good template?

2538
04:02:02,700 --> 04:02:04,720
So thanks to our consultants,

2539
04:02:04,940 --> 04:02:06,580
we have great templates.

2540
04:02:06,580 --> 04:02:13,500
The question is who's name and number is going on them and that's what that's what we're trying to figure out right now

2541
04:02:13,500 --> 04:02:18,490
Thank you. Thank you appreciate the answers. Yeah, we did build that procedure for you. It's all right. Thank you. I appreciate it

2542
04:02:19,560 --> 04:02:24,420
Just to we have my question and then councilor dodex

2543
04:02:26,500 --> 04:02:33,370
It I don't mean to mischaracterize this, but I would like to try and characterize this. It sounds like the process that you're

2544
04:02:34,000 --> 04:02:35,800
advocating for is passive

2545
04:02:35,800 --> 04:02:38,500
Mr. Lewington's process is aggressive.

2546
04:02:39,200 --> 04:02:43,340
They are going out there looking for business when business comes, you manage it.

2547
04:02:43,540 --> 04:02:46,380
Is that a fair characteristic characterization or not?

2548
04:02:49,940 --> 04:02:55,960
I think that there we have identified the need for both parties to play roles in this process.

2549
04:02:56,300 --> 04:03:02,160
And we're just trying to figure out how to resource that and how to best divide the responsibilities

2550
04:03:02,160 --> 04:03:03,620
between the two parties.

2551
04:03:03,620 --> 04:03:09,040
If all of the money goes to EDL, there will be a lot of targets met.

2552
04:03:09,220 --> 04:03:13,040
There will be great work done from outreach, marketing, recruitment, promotion.

2553
04:03:13,700 --> 04:03:19,580
You will not get a permit process to manage the coordination of services unless city council

2554
04:03:19,580 --> 04:03:25,080
is comfortable having an external entity coordinate a city permit process.

2555
04:03:25,500 --> 04:03:28,480
And there are some real risks and obstacles to that.

2556
04:03:28,480 --> 04:03:36,180
If you only give a funding to a city position, it would be more passive definitely because

2557
04:03:36,180 --> 04:03:41,300
the city person would not have the capacity, nor really the positioning unless direction

2558
04:03:41,300 --> 04:03:44,940
was given to do that kind of active industry recruitment.

2559
04:03:45,600 --> 04:03:45,820
Thank you.

2560
04:03:45,840 --> 04:03:48,560
Thank you for being very candid about that.

2561
04:03:49,620 --> 04:03:50,120
I'm sorry.

2562
04:03:50,360 --> 04:03:51,060
I didn't.

2563
04:03:51,420 --> 04:03:52,220
I haven't noted.

2564
04:03:52,780 --> 04:03:56,780
Is this an FTE that you're looking for or could this be a contract position for three years?

2565
04:03:56,780 --> 04:03:58,680
It is a term position.

2566
04:03:59,120 --> 04:04:00,000
Okay, thank you.

2567
04:04:00,280 --> 04:04:00,800
Councillor Dornick.

2568
04:04:03,920 --> 04:04:04,160
Thank you.

2569
04:04:04,260 --> 04:04:05,840
My question is to Mr. Brake.

2570
04:04:06,440 --> 04:04:16,200
When I was listening to the consultant, she indicated that the option to didn't completely sort

2571
04:04:16,200 --> 04:04:19,300
of capture the options that were provided.

2572
04:04:20,080 --> 04:04:25,080
And what really struck me was that the person that they were suggesting that might be

2573
04:04:25,080 --> 04:04:30,120
retained by the city would do marketing and promotion and include

2574
04:04:30,120 --> 04:04:37,640
such things as attend conferences and the like and it seems to me that's

2575
04:04:37,640 --> 04:04:44,520
exactly what EDL would be doing and then when I go to the report it says

2576
04:04:45,380 --> 04:04:49,940
the special event permit process is not designed to coordinate services and

2577
04:04:49,940 --> 04:04:53,720
supports for film and productions nor does it currently have the capacity to manage

2578
04:04:53,720 --> 04:04:57,100
significant increases in the volume of requests.

2579
04:04:59,080 --> 04:05:05,460
So the question would be, bearing in mind that the job of marketing and promotion really

2580
04:05:05,460 --> 04:05:15,620
is with EDL, and bearing in mind Mr. Lewington has said that taking away $444,147 would

2581
04:05:15,620 --> 04:05:17,920
certainly impact their ability to do that.

2582
04:05:17,920 --> 04:05:23,720
In fact, they might not be able to do it at all, based on the lower amount, and bearing

2583
04:05:23,720 --> 04:05:34,720
in mind that the special event permit process can accommodate some interest in the permitting

2584
04:05:34,720 --> 04:05:45,260
process would it not be fair to say that if we allow EDL to do their work with the full

2585
04:05:45,260 --> 04:05:52,560
budget requested, and if it turns out that a flood comes in, at least for the time being, it

2586
04:05:52,560 --> 04:05:58,380
might be just a trickle that's special, a permanent process might be able to handle, and

2587
04:05:58,380 --> 04:06:00,560
thereafter we could deal with it.

2588
04:06:00,580 --> 04:06:05,420
If, in fact, there is more than a trickle coming in, would you agree with that very long

2589
04:06:05,420 --> 04:06:06,160
statement?

2590
04:06:17,810 --> 04:06:22,930
I would say that if there were two coming in a year like they do today, then our special event

2591
04:06:22,930 --> 04:06:28,010
person would be okay to manage them, but based on the report that we have, we would say

2592
04:06:28,010 --> 04:06:31,230
that if there were any more than that, we probably wouldn't do a good job.

2593
04:06:32,830 --> 04:06:38,910
But we at least have a little bit of an advance warning at that time. We could hire the person to do the permitting.

2594
04:06:40,150 --> 04:06:44,750
Yeah, if we were to know that that was the direction of council to keep that in mind and come back

2595
04:06:44,750 --> 04:06:46,730
if that were to change, we could certainly do that.

2596
04:06:47,170 --> 04:06:48,150
Thank you.

2597
04:06:50,390 --> 04:06:56,490
Thank you both a city manager and the city at the CFO are in the queue who wants to go first.

2598
04:07:00,940 --> 04:07:04,420
Yes, my mic was on for the city solicitor because his council wasn't working.

2599
04:07:04,900 --> 04:07:05,120
Okay.

2600
04:07:07,100 --> 04:07:13,160
I just wanted to add some legal context to the comment about putting a permitting process outside

2601
04:07:13,160 --> 04:07:18,760
of the city. We really can't delegate some of those kinds of powers outside of city employees.

2602
04:07:19,600 --> 04:07:24,580
And what I've been informed about about the kind of changes of this process might require

2603
04:07:24,580 --> 04:07:32,020
is rapid road closures, road bylaws, and an extreme coordination because my staff that was in

2604
04:07:32,020 --> 04:07:36,400
the meeting was saying, you know, when these companies come, they need quick action from the

2605
04:07:36,400 --> 04:07:40,860
municipality to coordinate those things and what you've heard today is that the special events

2606
04:07:40,860 --> 04:07:46,220
You know, might work for when you have two months out, but we all heard some other timelines from other kinds of productions.

2607
04:07:47,060 --> 04:07:50,240
And we're just, you know, we're going to have to even to design the process.

2608
04:07:51,020 --> 04:07:58,660
I would expect that there are some not insignificant bylaw amendments to our business licensing bylaws and some other bylaws that might need to be done.

2609
04:07:58,900 --> 04:08:06,180
Just to do this. And so it's not as, at least as I've understood the process from what I've heard today and from our staff being involved.

2610
04:08:06,180 --> 04:08:15,220
It's not quite as simple as perhaps, maybe even the community services and realize some of the legal implications of a new process,

2611
04:08:15,220 --> 04:08:20,860
and I just wanted to make sure that we took the time to ensure that Council appreciated that as well.

2612
04:08:21,560 --> 04:08:24,520
That will be your weekends, taking up, putting that together?

2613
04:08:27,500 --> 04:08:28,340
Maybe even some evenings.

2614
04:08:29,780 --> 04:08:31,040
Councillor Schmett-Ruffett.

2615
04:08:32,900 --> 04:08:33,600
Thank you very much.

2616
04:08:33,880 --> 04:08:38,300
Thank you very much, Mr. Loan, for that certainly appreciating that we do need to keep that permit.

2617
04:08:38,300 --> 04:08:45,220
process in-house. But also taking into account what Councillor Dodick said not having a person

2618
04:08:45,220 --> 04:08:51,520
in place until we maybe hit two permits per year. I would actually like to put forward the motion

2619
04:08:51,520 --> 04:08:56,920
up option one, assigning resources to evaluate and begin implementing some of the consultants recommendations.

2620
04:08:57,540 --> 04:09:04,640
And then the 2023-2026 operating budget initiative N41 to reallocate the original budget of 780

2621
04:09:05,780 --> 04:09:12,520
$507,000 over September 1st, 2023 to December 31st, 2020 sixth grade as provided in the table

2622
04:09:12,520 --> 04:09:17,880
below that we have in the package, but also include in there that we have a trigger point

2623
04:09:17,880 --> 04:09:24,560
of looking at hiring city staff, additional city staff, once we hit two permits per year,

2624
04:09:25,060 --> 04:09:28,460
and then we can take a look at what resources the city may actually need.

2625
04:09:28,700 --> 04:09:30,040
It may be more than two people.

2626
04:09:30,500 --> 04:09:34,180
It may be something different that you're looking for when we come to hitting those two permits

2627
04:09:34,180 --> 04:09:34,880
for you.

2628
04:09:36,240 --> 04:09:39,060
So I would like to put that motion forward.

2629
04:09:40,800 --> 04:09:41,480
Thank you.

2630
04:09:42,380 --> 04:09:44,180
Just before we put that motion forward,

2631
04:09:44,580 --> 04:09:47,160
the city treasurer has something to add.

2632
04:09:47,960 --> 04:09:50,220
Thank you, members of economic standing policy committee,

2633
04:09:51,020 --> 04:09:51,560
just on that.

2634
04:09:52,740 --> 04:09:55,140
If that, if council is that serious wish to go forward,

2635
04:09:55,180 --> 04:09:56,680
remember to do that.

2636
04:09:57,080 --> 04:09:59,680
Just be aware that we don't actually have a funding source

2637
04:09:59,680 --> 04:10:01,400
for the next piece when it comes back and triggering.

2638
04:10:02,040 --> 04:10:03,280
So that would be something at that time,

2639
04:10:03,280 --> 04:10:07,620
when it comes forward, we have to try to find a funding source, because it's using the whole amount of the allocation.

2640
04:10:09,900 --> 04:10:13,720
And understanding that, and we may not be looking at this for another couple years,

2641
04:10:13,880 --> 04:10:20,840
and this may be something that comes forward even in the next budget process that could come forward as a pressure or additional FTEs at that time.

2642
04:10:29,280 --> 04:10:31,940
Now, for the questions, comments, concerns, debate.

2643
04:10:32,840 --> 04:10:34,580
All right, we have a motion for us.

2644
04:10:36,310 --> 04:10:40,990
Move by Councillor Schmidt-Rempel, growing creative industries exploring city of

2645
04:10:40,990 --> 04:10:44,210
Lathbridge involvement in the film and TV industry.

2646
04:10:44,970 --> 04:10:48,850
Be it resolved that the Economic Standing Policy Committee recommends that Council

2647
04:10:48,850 --> 04:10:55,110
approve option 1, which is to assign resources to evaluate and begin implementing some

2648
04:10:55,110 --> 04:10:56,570
of the consultants' recommendations.

2649
04:10:56,570 --> 04:11:05,310
And then the 2023 to 2026 operating budget initiative N41 to reallocate the original budget of

2650
04:11:05,310 --> 04:11:15,950
780,570 dollars over the September 1, 2023 to December 31, 2026 period has provided in the table

2651
04:11:15,950 --> 04:11:18,090
below which is on your screen.

2652
04:11:20,670 --> 04:11:25,590
Thank you very much, I think we've heard, we've certainly heard both sides of this, but

2653
04:11:25,590 --> 04:11:34,270
also understanding that if we do move the 400, the amount of $444,000 out, EBL would likely

2654
04:11:34,270 --> 04:11:39,790
not pursue this as an initiative through their board, so I certainly take that into account.

2655
04:11:39,790 --> 04:11:48,930
When we first looked at N41 during the budget process, the proposed implementation strategy,

2656
04:11:49,330 --> 04:11:53,270
your one focused on research, industry, engagement, and development of required promotional

2657
04:11:53,270 --> 04:11:58,030
materials and resources, your two will be focused on target qualification, lead generation

2658
04:11:58,030 --> 04:12:02,490
and target acquisition, your three will be focused on client care, inquiry, follow-up, and

2659
04:12:02,490 --> 04:12:06,850
sustainability of effort to take and your four will be focused on measurement of efforts

2660
04:12:06,850 --> 04:12:09,590
and key actions required in the subsequent business plan.

2661
04:12:10,070 --> 04:12:17,850
At this point, we don't even have anybody working on actively attracting this industry

2662
04:12:17,850 --> 04:12:22,990
to our area, knowing that this industry moves fast and other digital and entertainment

2663
04:12:22,990 --> 04:12:27,970
industries also need to be considered now, so we have animation and visual effects, eSports

2664
04:12:27,970 --> 04:12:34,010
gaming, immersive of technology, and digital media all working in this space in our city.

2665
04:12:34,010 --> 04:12:39,610
And this is something that EDL can certainly, has a background in, has already been working

2666
04:12:39,610 --> 04:12:43,870
with these groups, and can certainly look at attracting more to our city.

2667
04:12:44,330 --> 04:12:49,570
Once we get some movie interest and some actual interest in our city, then I think we can

2668
04:12:49,570 --> 04:12:52,890
move on to seeing what city supports we may need.

2669
04:12:53,370 --> 04:12:56,010
It may be more than one full-time staff member.

2670
04:12:56,250 --> 04:13:00,790
It may actually be of their city supports looking at permitting, but also looking at some

2671
04:13:00,790 --> 04:13:02,790
other coordination efforts.

2672
04:13:02,790 --> 04:13:05,930
With that, I will ask for Council's support.

2673
04:13:07,910 --> 04:13:10,690
Thank you. Councilor Dodick, are you in for question or debate?

2674
04:13:10,950 --> 04:13:11,430
The debate.

2675
04:13:11,630 --> 04:13:13,330
Thank you. Please debate.

2676
04:13:14,230 --> 04:13:21,590
Yes, first off, I want to thank Ms. Brack and Mr. Lewington and the consultant, all who answered

2677
04:13:21,590 --> 04:13:28,150
questions fully and candidly, and I really really do appreciate that.

2678
04:13:28,150 --> 04:13:30,070
I will be supporting this resolution.

2679
04:13:30,190 --> 04:13:34,830
I'm not going to go into great detail by the questions I asked the answers given.

2680
04:13:35,530 --> 04:13:36,810
The reason should be apparent.

2681
04:13:37,950 --> 04:13:42,190
But basically, it's what Congressman Schmidt Rampals said.

2682
04:13:42,290 --> 04:13:48,170
And that is that we have EDL to do the marketing and promotion of

2683
04:13:48,170 --> 04:13:52,550
Lathbridge, which will include attracting film and industry.

2684
04:13:52,610 --> 04:13:57,570
And they've made it clear that without the full funds,

2685
04:13:57,570 --> 04:14:03,990
which are actually reduced funds, that they would likely not be able to do it, and certainly

2686
04:14:03,990 --> 04:14:06,230
would not be able to do it to the same effect.

2687
04:14:06,390 --> 04:14:13,810
We've also heard from an administration that for the short term they can handle a few requests

2688
04:14:14,470 --> 04:14:21,610
for any films or TV requirements that may arise, and we've also learned that there hasn't

2689
04:14:21,610 --> 04:14:26,370
been that many over the years, although we're certainly hoping that if this resolution passes

2690
04:14:26,370 --> 04:14:32,350
and the funding is provided to economic development leverage that changes and that we get

2691
04:14:32,350 --> 04:14:38,050
some interest in that area and that we will be able to fill a position for the permitting

2692
04:14:38,050 --> 04:14:42,070
process as needed once that interest is expressed.

2693
04:14:42,650 --> 04:14:44,030
Again, I will support this resolution.

2694
04:14:44,510 --> 04:14:45,370
Thank you.

2695
04:14:47,320 --> 04:14:48,280
Thank you, Councillor Dota.

2696
04:14:48,320 --> 04:14:49,160
Councillor Campbell.

2697
04:14:49,600 --> 04:14:50,240
Thanks, Mr. Chair.

2698
04:14:50,880 --> 04:14:55,840
I won't add much to what already has been said other than I really truly believe that this

2699
04:14:55,840 --> 04:14:58,200
is an opportunity right now for this.

2700
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:11,560
For the city to get in the game. And I think it will, we have the right people on board to do it, and I look forward to it to its success while we support the resolution.

2701
04:15:13,820 --> 04:15:20,280
Thank you. Seeing no one else in the queue, going once, going twice, back to council management.

2702
04:15:21,420 --> 04:15:25,940
Thank you very much. I will call for the vote. All in favor?

2703
04:15:25,940 --> 04:15:27,000
Well,

2704
04:15:29,570 --> 04:15:30,550
he-

2705
04:15:34,320 --> 04:15:36,280
A passage unanimously, thank you.

2706
04:15:40,200 --> 04:15:40,340
All right.

2707
04:15:40,440 --> 04:15:42,960
We have two last items on the agenda.

2708
04:15:43,820 --> 04:15:45,700
Submission 6.2.

2709
04:15:47,400 --> 04:15:49,600
Targeted redevelopment incentive policy,

2710
04:15:49,780 --> 04:15:51,500
municipal tax cancellation,

2711
04:15:52,140 --> 04:15:54,400
for 60167 use south.

2712
04:15:55,080 --> 04:15:58,440
Does any member of council have questions of administration

2713
04:15:58,440 --> 04:16:01,560
in regards to this particular item?

2714
04:16:04,680 --> 04:16:05,700
I will make the motion.

2715
04:16:07,980 --> 04:16:18,920
Okay, so Section 347 of the Municipal Government Act provides that Council may cancel reduce or defer taxes when it considers equitable to do so.

2716
04:16:19,920 --> 04:16:33,500
The targeted redevelopment incentive policy or trip was approved by Council for the purpose of promoting new construction or major renovation of medium to large scale projects that generate expansion to the assessment base in the downtown core.

2717
04:16:33,500 --> 04:16:37,180
The renovation project proposed for six to one, six months,

2718
04:16:43,280 --> 04:16:46,220
meets all of the eligibility criteria for the trip policy.

2719
04:16:47,260 --> 04:16:55,520
With a construction value of over $1.8 million, the project qualifies for cancellation of $15,000 annually for a six-year period.

2720
04:16:56,460 --> 04:17:01,760
Note this is not a full tax cancellation but calculated only on the increased assessment value.

2721
04:17:02,460 --> 04:17:05,420
It is recommended that the trip policy be applied on this project.

2722
04:17:08,100 --> 04:17:10,520
If there are any debate, there are questions?

2723
04:17:12,020 --> 04:17:13,660
Who does not appear to be?

2724
04:17:14,280 --> 04:17:15,200
I will call a question.

2725
04:17:16,180 --> 04:17:17,180
Question has been called?

2726
04:17:17,840 --> 04:17:18,220
All in favor?

2727
04:17:20,420 --> 04:17:21,120
Motion passes.

2728
04:17:22,860 --> 04:17:25,340
The next one is very much like the previous application.

2729
04:17:26,020 --> 04:17:28,880
This $1.3 million project at $4.11.

2730
04:17:29,500 --> 04:17:30,320
Third avenue self.

2731
04:17:31,340 --> 04:17:34,900
Qualifies for $18,900 annually for a six year

2732
04:17:34,900 --> 04:17:41,200
cancellation period. Again, this is not a tax cancellation, but only on the increased assessment

2733
04:17:41,200 --> 04:17:47,880
value. It is also recommended that the trip policy be applied on this project. And

2734
04:17:48,500 --> 04:17:52,040
call the question if there are no debate or call it for the vote.

2735
04:17:53,000 --> 04:17:55,100
Thank you. Both have been called, all in favour?

2736
04:17:57,100 --> 04:17:59,300
Motion passes. Thank you.

2737
04:18:03,300 --> 04:18:07,260
At three in camera motions, one from Councilor Schmidt-Rempel, closed meeting,

2738
04:18:07,700 --> 04:18:09,380
park place lease agreement negotiations.

2739
04:18:10,260 --> 04:18:13,320
Seven point two, be it resolved that the economic standing policy committee

2740
04:18:13,320 --> 04:18:17,340
direct that the closed meeting discussions with respect to park place lease agreement

2741
04:18:17,340 --> 04:18:19,080
negotiations remain confidential.

2742
04:18:19,680 --> 04:18:22,920
Pursue to section 24 advice from officials and the Freedom of Information

2743
04:18:22,920 --> 04:18:24,680
of Protection of Privacy Act.

2744
04:18:24,960 --> 04:18:25,840
Councilor Schmidt-Rempel.

2745
04:18:26,360 --> 04:18:27,100
I'll call the vote.

2746
04:18:27,860 --> 04:18:29,700
The vote has been called all in favor.

2747
04:18:30,660 --> 04:18:31,440
That motion passes.

2748
04:18:31,600 --> 04:18:32,040
Thank you.

2749
04:18:33,450 --> 04:18:46,770
From Acting Mayor Parker closed meeting airport operations update flare, be it resolved that the economic standing policy committee directed the closed meetings discussions with respect to the airport operations update flare remain confidential pursuant to section 24.

2750
04:18:47,510 --> 04:18:52,350
Advice from officials of the Freedom of Information Protection and Privacy Act, Acting Mayor Parker.

2751
04:18:52,990 --> 04:18:55,030
Questions been called on a favor.

2752
04:18:56,150 --> 04:18:56,770
Any opposed?

2753
04:18:58,710 --> 04:18:59,710
I see two opposed.

2754
04:19:01,550 --> 04:19:02,470
Two members are opposed.

2755
04:19:02,470 --> 04:19:04,370
Thank you.

2756
04:19:04,810 --> 04:19:06,890
Move by Mayor Higgin, who is not here.

2757
04:19:07,170 --> 04:19:08,850
So I guess it would be moved by me.

2758
04:19:09,510 --> 04:19:12,190
Close meeting tax cancellation requests under compassionate

2759
04:19:12,190 --> 04:19:13,610
grounds 7.4.

2760
04:19:13,770 --> 04:19:16,810
Be it resolved that the Economic Standing Policy Committee

2761
04:19:16,810 --> 04:19:20,010
directed the closed meeting discussions, reports,

2762
04:19:20,670 --> 04:19:23,350
and attachments with respect to the tax cancellation request

2763
04:19:23,350 --> 04:19:24,790
under compassionate grounds,

2764
04:19:25,370 --> 04:19:28,510
remain confidential pursuant to section 17, harmful

2765
04:19:28,510 --> 04:19:31,430
to personal privacy of the Freedom of Information Protection

2766
04:19:31,430 --> 04:19:34,950
in the Privacy Act. Further, be it resolved that the economic extent?

2767
04:19:38,690 --> 04:19:45,030
I know, thank you. Further, be it resolved that the economic standing policy committee

2768
04:19:45,030 --> 04:19:50,670
meeting recommend that the council approves the tax cancellation request of 222 penalties

2769
04:19:50,670 --> 04:19:58,970
and 23, a rear penalties in the amount of $189.65. For property located at 43 Cootney

2770
04:19:58,970 --> 04:20:06,830
placed west, roll number 2, 0, 2, 9, 0, 0, 4, 3, 0, 0, 0, 1, under Section 347 of the Municipal

2771
04:20:06,830 --> 04:20:14,130
Government Act RSA 2000, Chapter M26 of the MGA and direct this report remains confidential

2772
04:20:14,130 --> 04:20:20,270
as per sections of 17 of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.

2773
04:20:20,270 --> 04:20:22,090
I'll call the question, all in favor.

2774
04:20:23,430 --> 04:20:25,310
That motion passes unanimously.

2775
04:20:28,710 --> 04:20:30,610
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are adjourned.

2776
04:20:30,610 --> 04:20:31,030
.