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Good morning, everyone. We'll call the

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meeting to order at 9:02 a.m. this

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morning. In the true spirit of

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reconciliation, we acknowledge all those

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who call this land home now and for

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thousands of years in the past. May we

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respect each other and find

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understanding together and recognize the

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benefits that this land provides to all

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of us. We are here today uh to commence

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our 2025 20 or 2026 budget

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deliberations. Uh before you you have an

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agenda. I would entertain a motion to

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accept the agenda. John.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to move

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» Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to move

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to adopt the agenda for the 2026 budget

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deliberations day one as presented.

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Thank you, John. Is there any

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discussion? Call the question. Those in

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favor? Opposed? That is carried.

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» Haley, I will turn the floor over to

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» [clears throat]

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>> So, as part of the 2025

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» So, as part of the 2025

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um or 2026 budget presentation, we'll

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first proceed with a 2025 um council

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orientation to budgeting. Uh Haley will

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move into forecasting through the end of

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the year. I think it'll provide

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important context and then we'll we'll

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>> call the meeting to order at 9

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» call the meeting to order at 9

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>> then and then we will move into the

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» then and then we will move into the

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budget plans for 26 27 and 28

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» back to the future.

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Um Reeve Campbell I brought the jar. As

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they say old habits die hard. So, we'll

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just start out with that. [laughter]

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Um, so just wanted to walk through a

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budget orientation for council and just

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a highle overview in terms of the

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election has passed. And so now we've

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got kind of this opportunity to do some

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orientation with council of of various

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topics that we'll see throughout um the

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next little while. And so this one is

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kind of a kickoff to that in terms of

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talking about what the budget is to help

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just understand the process and what

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that might look like and what the

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process has been thus far. And so if we

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talk about what is a budget, it's

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basically a business tool that's used

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for future planning and activities. It

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anticipates revenue and estimates

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expenditures.

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uh the legislative budget requirements.

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Uh the MGA the municipal government act

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includes various aspects of the

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requirements that relate to budget.

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Council must adopt an operating budget

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each calendar year. Uh and they must

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prepare a written plan in terms of the

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financial operations over at least a

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three-year financial period. And then um

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council must also adopt a capital budget

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each calendar year. and uh that must be

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prepared in terms of some sort of

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written plan that looks at a 5-year

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projection.

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Uh in terms of what's included in the

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budget, a municipality can only make

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expenditures that is within an operating

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budget, an interimm budget or capital

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budget or otherwise authorized by

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council. And uh the sections of the MGA

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include the listing of items for

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operating in capital budgets. Um and

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just some information about estimated

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amounts in terms of transfers as well.

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And we municipality cannot run a

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shortfall without ministerial approval.

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next calendar year.

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So there's lots of um factors that go

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into consideration when determining

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revenue amounts. um council direction.

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there's user fees, property assessment,

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um various kind of capital impact. We

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look at grants. We look at uh utility

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rates, other revenue source

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opportunities,

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um the economy and kind of the impact of

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that. And then also then look at uh

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property taxes or tax support related to

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statistic, but um it still applies in

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terms of kind of the municipal

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government's uh impact on the tax

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dollars collected as a whole and just

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kind of the breakdown between the

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federal and provincial. And so, you

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know, municipalities continue to be less

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than 10% of each house household tax

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dollar.

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um we review those as well throughout

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the budget process to look for

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efficiencies within the budget and

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opportunities to you know um maintain

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service levels and the impact of that.

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direction, our infrastructure needs in

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terms of future replacements, kind of

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balancing the needs versus wants of of

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the county, looking at inflation and the

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economic factors, legislative

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requirements, um the opportunity for

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business development,

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provincial downloading plays a big

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impact um at the county level in terms

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of how we provide services to our

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residents.

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um looking at previous years capital

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impact on operation and just our

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financial obligations such as debt and

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various aspects like that.

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So the intention of the budget is a tool

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to be used to reflect kind of policy

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priorities of county council and provide

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you know an alignment with the the

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policies and bylaws and service levels

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and sets the strategic direction and

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priorities for administration to carry

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out. It's a financial operating and

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capital plan. It sets uh spending limits

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for service delivery and it's a tool in

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terms of communicating how and where

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dollars are spent.

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The budget process uh is quite lengthy

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and complex and so it involves you know

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gathering of information looking at

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historical information, understanding

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the pressures and needs of of the

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county. Um, essentially there's kind of

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this these four main sequential steps in

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in the budget process. Looking at

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preparation in terms of gathering all

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the information

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um, and putting it together in in a way

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that allows uh, for the story to be told

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about what has changed, what what might

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um, be some of the future implications.

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deliberations like we're doing today,

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looking for council's direction. Um and

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then through obviously throughout the

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year we monitor and measure the budget

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compared to actual on a regular basis

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and report that back to council. Um and

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then wi with implementation we're

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implementing the budget service levels

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and projects throughout the year and and

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that's all carried out in the cyclical

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to come up with the information

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regarding need and potential changes to

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the upcoming budget, review kind of the

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requirements. uh there's been multiple

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meetings in terms of connection points

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and just understanding the budget and

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what some of those potential changes

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are. We ensure that we've got um costs

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associated with various um obligations

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that are coming up in the next budget

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including uh things like uh union

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agreements and salaries and uh just the

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impact on inflation potentially with

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goods and services and just ensuring

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that we're maintaining our assets. Um

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and then obviously we want to look at

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the capital budget from a perspective of

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ensuring that we maintain kind of that

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competitive um opportunity for when we

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go out for tender once once the budget

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is approved and looking for funding

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opportunities and just uh potential

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impacts from the province and other

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levels of government.

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Budget approval process. So budgets are

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presented to council um and then uh

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reviewed and and provide council

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provides input and just uh insight into

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what the budget looks like and how it's

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being presented and maybe potential

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changes that council wishes to to

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provide. Um we typically require a a

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budget approved by the end of December.

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So, at this point, um, in the budget

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schedule, which we'll get to in a

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minute, looks at the December 4th, uh,

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budget council meeting to review the

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budget and and, uh, hopefully approve.

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Um, the budget is being presented based

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on information that we have and the

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levels of service and the requirements

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and and necessities. And so one of the

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things that is always a little bit

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interesting in an election year is just

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the fitting the strategic plan of

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council with the budget and how those

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can ensure we can align those. And so

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you know there'll be obviously some

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conversations about strategic planning

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for for council in the upcoming months.

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sure that we continue to understand how

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those are connected and and the and how

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they align.

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the plan determines the work required um

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and the projects throughout the year. Uh

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it looks at um the costs associated with

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with what's being proposed and as it's

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presented and approved by council.

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implementation stages in the budget uh

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process is is responsible for everybody

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involved. All the departments need to

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understand what's in their budgets and

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the impact of of what's going on in

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terms of comparison to actuals and uh

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budget information is then communicated

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with council on a regular basis.

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about monitoring the information and

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just um ensuring that we are within

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alignment and that everything is uh

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progressing as as expected and then any

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unexpected things that come up

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throughout the year would be brought

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back to council in terms of discussion

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and and authority and approval. Um and

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so we presented uh financial information

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throughout the year to ensure that

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council is updated on all of that.

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budget presentation. The capital budget

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is presented by departments. Uh the

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budget includes a summary of the

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projects and proposed funding. Um and

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then obviously the operating budget is

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also presented highlighting budget

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changes u efficiencies increases and the

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overall tax support required.

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Some budget considerations that um are

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important throughout this process is

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just an awareness of provincial

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downloading. So sometimes there's some

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uncertainty with that which can create

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some challenges as we work through this.

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big part in our capital budget and and

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there's some smaller um impact on our

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operating budget um as the province

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continues to kind of reduce those grant

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funding opportunities uh specifically

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for operations, but also we're seeing,

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you know, potentially some decreases in

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capital as well. Obviously, our the

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Alberta economy plays a big part of that

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and and just depending on how inflation

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impacts and just overall kind of impact

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of potentially tariffs and other

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different complexities in in the economy

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that could impact the budget. uh and we

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continue to look for ways to implement

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best practices in terms of efficiencies

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and uh really understanding kind of the

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need of of the county and how we can uh

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provide the best service to our

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residents. And then um you know, we're

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always kind of cognizant of the tax

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support requirements and and working

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hard to make sure that that we reduce

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the impact to our residents.

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Uh so the capital budget is constructed

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and uh improve the infrastructure

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um to the county to provide the highest

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level of service within the constraints

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of the budget for continued service

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levels. Um, we determine kind of capital

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purchases in projects based on

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condition, risk, and the need to ensure

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proper identification and timing of

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projects and then uh present a five-year

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capital plan with funding options to

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ensure that we're continue to meet the

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needs of the county and align with

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council's strategic plan.

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So just in terms of the overall

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structure based on the 2025 approved

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capital budget uh roughly 24% of the

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capital projects relied on grant funding

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54% of the capital projects was funded

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from reserves um which is mostly related

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to fleet purchases and then 23% was

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funded from the market access network

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pro program um and is specific to pave

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roads and bridges.

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So grant funding opportunities are

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obviously we continue to seek those out

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as much as we can to take it full

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advantage of that uh when planning

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capital projects and and uh

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obviously if the grant that's being

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proposed for a capital project if it's

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not approved then we would come back to

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council to give an update on those on a

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regular basis as well as provide some

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alternative methods for a project to if

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we're if it was being proposed from

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grant funding and that grant funding was

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was denied by another level of

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government

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operating budget. So, um typically the

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purpose of the operating budget is a

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reflection of council's uh policy

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priorities. The operating budget is set

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um for the spending limits for programs

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and service level delivery is approved

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by council and it's a budget tool for

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communication with citizens.

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Uh included within the operating budget

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is the revenue which relates to utility

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rates, user fees, penalties, uh sales of

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goods and services, development fees, um

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operating grants to various reserve

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transfers. Uh once the revenue sources

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are identified, the balance of the

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revenue collected through is collected

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through taxation uh in order to balance

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the revenues against operating expenses.

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So um expenses take into consideration

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financial obligations, council direction

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throughout the year, levels of service

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and various other aspects like inflation

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and evaluating needs versus wants.

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So just in [clears throat] conclusion,

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the the budget is a financial operating

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and capital plan. Uh when determining

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revenue and expenses for the budget, we

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need to consider all the possible

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implications of that. And obviously

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there's some unknowns that um

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potentially might come up throughout the

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year which is why we come back to

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council on a regular basis to report out

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and get provide updates and um develop

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and implement the budget process is

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obviously everyone's responsibility. The

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budget reflects council strategic plan

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and priorities. uh legislation,

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efficiencies, funding, all of that are

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considered and council ultimately makes

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the final decision on the budget and the

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levels of service provided.

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And that is the end of the presentation

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just in terms of the calendar. So we are

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um on the November 28th as the first day

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of presentation. Um December 2nd will be

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day two if required and then um budget

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review and deliberations would be on

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December 4th with hopefully an approval

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on that day as well.

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That is the orientation for budget.

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[snorts]

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>> Awesome. Thank you, Haley. Um I should

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» Awesome. Thank you, Haley. Um I should

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have said this right off the get-go. I

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think before we get started, I just want

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to um say thank you and acknowledge all

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the time that's that's gone into this. I

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know I've spent uh quite a bit of time

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in the office over the last few weeks

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and um I know how how you know much uh

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time and effort it takes to pull all

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this together and as much as this is a

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year round uh process I I understand

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just the the gravity of pulling this all

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together for today and and next week. Um

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so thank you to all of you that put in

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the work to make this happen. We we do

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really appreciate it. It's it is

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ultimately council's budget, but it is

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staff that goes away and does the work

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and and pulls it together for us to

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deliberate and to to tweak and to push

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and pull. So, um on behalf of council,

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just thank you. Um I want to acknowledge

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what you said, Haley, just the pressures

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that we face, you know, external

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pressures, um be it downloading from the

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province, uh grant funding up and downs,

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um and then I guess also just trying to

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manage expectations and and meet

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changing expectations. I think we

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continue to see the expectations of our

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stakeholders and rate payers changing.

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So it's how do we how do we meet that

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and uh and and try and you know keep

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things in line and moving forward. So

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thank you uh thank you to everyone for

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the work and maybe just uh relax. It's

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going to be okay. Uh a lot of tense

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spaces as well. Um we will get through

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this like we do every year. Um, I'm sure

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there'll be some hard questions and some

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hard conversations, but at the end of

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the day, um, we'll get through it and,

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uh, just thank you. So, is there

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anything else before we get going?

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>> Covered it next.

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» Covered it next.

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>> If not, floor is yours, Haley.

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» If not, floor is yours, Haley.

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>> Thank you. So, just in terms of setting

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» Thank you. So, just in terms of setting

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the stage in context for the budget

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discussion, just wanted to give a

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financial update as to where we're at.

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The last um, update was provided, I

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believe, in July. And so this is just

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looking at kind of 2025 in terms of

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where we're at and where we're projected

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to be at the end of December. With that,

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you know, there's the caveat that

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there's still lots of uncertainty in

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terms of things come up and, you know,

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there might be still some surprises that

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happen, but this is uh where we're where

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we're projected to the end of the year

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based on some assumptions that's been

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made to date.

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Um so this this slide we we would have

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looked at in July and it just kind of

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compares the taxes compared to the

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requisition. So we collect um county

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taxes, we collect the hall route and we

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also collect um these are the three

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items that are essentially broken out on

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on the requisition when we present the

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property tax mill rates to council in um

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April. And so, uh, at that time we had

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anticipated that we would require,

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um, approximately $21 million of tax

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requisition or tax um, property revenue,

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property tax revenue for the county, um,

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in addition to the requisitions which is

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from the province. So that would be for

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education, green acres, um, that sort of

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thing. And so that would have totaled

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the 28.7.

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And based on the requisitions that we uh

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tax requisitions that we collected, we

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were really close within that of the

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28.8, leaving a difference of about

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92,000. So that is that hasn't changed

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since July. It's just to give an update

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and reminder of kind of how close we

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were in terms of estimate and

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assumptions made um based on assessments

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and and various aspects. So,

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um, if we look at Oh, yeah.

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>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, just back on

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» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, just back on

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the hall route, $500,000.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> That's how do you split that? What we

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» That's how do you split that? What we

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actually collect as the business tax is

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that what you're designating to the Hall

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route or

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>> So, that is that is not the the business

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» So, that is that is not the the business

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tax. Um, councelor Hickeyi, that is um

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that it's just a a an amount that we

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collect as part of maintaining our roads

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that has always been historically broken

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out um which gets uh incorporated into

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maintaining like our hall routes. So,

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it's not specifically part of the

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business tax. This is on the assessment

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uh property taxes um which is separate

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from the from the business like head tax

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count for the um the municipal access

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network kind of program. So that's over

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and above that.

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» Thank you Mr. Chair. So is the head tax

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in that then?

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>> No, this is strictly property tax.

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» No, this is strictly property tax.

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>> Nothing. Okay. There's nothing put into

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» Nothing. Okay. There's nothing put into

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that from there

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>> because all of the head tax gets

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» because all of the head tax gets

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transferred to the municipal access

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network program which is part of all of

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the infrastructure capital projects that

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you see throughout the capital plan.

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>> Yeah. And one thing um it won't be in

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» Yeah. And one thing um it won't be in

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this presentation but in the in the 26

525
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27 28 budget presentation I think it's

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slide 102 we have the market access

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network broken out. I think there's

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going to be a lot of conversations there

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from the business stack standpoint just

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because of how it was set up versus how

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things have evolved. We've been having

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conversations as recently as Wednesday

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to try and understand how one side's

534
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indexed, but the program itself might

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not be indexed and how that revenue

536
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flows through those reserves. And so I

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think that we can have that discussion

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today, but I think that's going to be an

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entire discussion unto itself for the

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market access network because I'm still

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learning some things on how that was

542
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originally set up. So,

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» thanks. Um, so further council Hickeyy's

544
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question, I guess I'm a little confused

545
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is where does that $500,000 come from or

546
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what does it represent?

547
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it is is collected u on the property

548
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taxes from the residents in terms of

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maintaining the hall routes and it's

550
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,440
just in in combination with the

551
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,960
municipal um the market access network

552
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,240
program but it for whatever reason it's

553
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,000
been broken out on the property taxes

554
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,159
for years and so it's it's a property

555
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:31,679
tax component of for the residents

556
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:34,549
>> small followup on that so basically

557
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:34,559
» small followup on that so basically

558
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,960
If we didn't traditionally break it out,

559
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,159
the the line for county taxes would be

560
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:42,320
20,587,000,

561
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,880
but we break out 500,000 of it. So, it's

562
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,039
it's more of an accounting process than

563
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,120
it is a we didn't collect it from

564
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,000
somewhere else.

565
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,950
>> That's correct. And also the um

566
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:52,960
» That's correct. And also the um

567
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,679
councelor Kerbis, the the acronym there

568
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:57,600
is the the waste commission amount

569
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,840
that's broken out. So I'm not sure what

570
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,679
the history there was basically two

571
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:03,600
lines of information that was available

572
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,400
within the assessment like property tax

573
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960
notice and those were the like the three

574
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,880
lines that were kind of broken out for

575
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,799
information because obviously we also

576
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,720
have a water commission too but that one

577
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,400
wasn't specifically broken out. So

578
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,039
that's just how it shows up like as in

579
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,120
terms of the information on the on the

580
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,279
property taxes. So I'm sorry if that

581
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,240
caused some more confusion than than not

582
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,720
but

583
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,710
>> we're good now. [laughter] Thank you.

584
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,600
Thank you. So, the education tax that

585
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
goes to both school systems, right? But

586
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,440
all goes to the provincial government,

587
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,320
but you can check on your taxes which

588
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,000
system you want it to go to. Is that

589
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,039
correct? Still,

590
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,990
>> that's correct. Yes. Yeah.

591
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:48,000
» that's correct. Yes. Yeah.

592
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,510
>> Yes. And that's all part of that

593
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:49,520
» Yes. And that's all part of that

594
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,440
requisitions line. I did not break out

595
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320
kind of the provincial green acres and

596
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:00,630
and all of that within that. Yeah.

597
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600
So if we just look high level um at the

598
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,760
departments of the utilized versus

599
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,159
remaining as of this is as of October

600
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:11,600
31st um we're in good shape in terms of

601
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,520
ensuring that we're going to meet our

602
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,399
our budgeted information. Just wanted to

603
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:18,399
kind of give a visual of where we're at.

604
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:21,440
So the the blue is utilized, the green

605
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,440
is remaining. There's some obviously

606
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,279
some significant adjustments that happen

607
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,960
at the end of the year in terms of year

608
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
end and inventory and just fuel and

609
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,679
different things like that. So, um but

610
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,600
it looks at this point based on my

611
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,880
projections to the end of the year,

612
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,679
we're we're in we'll meet our targeted

613
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,559
budget. So, what I did was I just took

614
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,960
the information to the end of October

615
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,000
31st and made some assumptions for the

616
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,679
remainder of the year for November and

617
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,320
December. Um, one of the significant

618
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,080
assumptions in here is that water rates

619
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,600
are assumed to be unchanged um, from

620
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,679
charges from the city. And so there's

621
00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:00,480
some some uncertainty there, but this is

622
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,240
our forecasted projection to the end of

623
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,640
the year. So, I've broken this out to

624
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,799
include our tax uh penalties and our

625
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,799
interest income as well as each of the

626
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,880
departments in terms of where their

627
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,440
annual budget is at or their actual year

628
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,480
to date is at which totals at the at the

629
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360
bottom there. And then it just in uh all

630
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,600
of the remaining items that still need

631
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,919
to be included. So I've included broken

632
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:29,120
out some specifically like insurance uh

633
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,760
are remainder uh remaining debt payments

634
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,000
which happen uh cycllically throughout

635
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,840
the year but there is another bunch of

636
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,760
debt payments that happen at the end of

637
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,880
December 31st. Um we've got uh some

638
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,559
reserve transfers that still need to

639
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,080
happen that we don't typically do till

640
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,600
the end of the year when we kind of know

641
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,080
where everything is at. And so based on

642
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,080
our total budget of uh for the for the

643
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,919
uh county at the 20.0

644
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:01,200
uh8 million and compared to where we

645
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,640
anticipate to be at the end of the year,

646
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880
we're going to be very tight in terms of

647
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,480
our ending. This shows a slight

648
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,960
negative. Obviously, we would uh need to

649
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,200
kind of revisit some of those

650
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,159
assumptions. I I was conservative in my

651
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:17,200
estimates because I didn't want to uh I

652
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,320
just wanted to make sure that we didn't

653
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,960
miss anything. And so there's obviously

654
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600
if an emergency response incident were

655
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600
to happen that creates some uncertainty

656
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,159
about the impact and pressure on on our

657
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,320
budget, but we've got some year-end

658
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,480
completion work to do obviously still

659
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,159
and just some cleanup adjustments. So um

660
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:39,200
I think at this point the budget is is

661
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,960
sufficient but we're going to be tight.

662
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Okay, Haley, I got a I have a question

663
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,440
here.

664
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,549
>> Yeah.

665
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:44,559
» Yeah.

666
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,909
>> So, I'm just looking at

667
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:47,919
» So, I'm just looking at

668
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:51,520
your variance number. That's not correct

669
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,230
because you added the two together.

670
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,279
You don't have a $900,000 variance.

671
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,000
Well, that um currently at the year to

672
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,600
date for utilities because we haven't

673
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,600
done all of our uh reserve transfers,

674
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,799
it's showing as a negative 418, which is

675
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,799
why those two numbers are added together

676
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,120
because essentially the the budget for

677
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480
utilities was a tax like was a pressure

678
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,640
of 550,000

679
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,919
and we are currently sitting at a

680
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:23,840
$418,000

681
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,480
um credit because none of the reserve

682
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,080
transfers have happened yet. So that's

683
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,830
why it's the two added together.

684
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,960
» Doesn't show that.

685
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,310
>> Well, there's a negative right in front

686
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:36,320
» Well, there's a negative right in front

687
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,840
of the 418. That's why there's a little

688
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,960
dash there. Yeah,

689
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,990
>> it's far over.

690
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:42,000
» it's far over.

691
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,406
>> It's small. Sorry, the font is small.

692
00:31:45,406 --> 00:31:45,416
» It's small. Sorry, the font is small.

693
00:31:45,416 --> 00:31:47,909
[clears throat]

694
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:50,960
» Thank you.

695
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,279
Um, typically we like to give updates in

696
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,279
terms of where the grants are at. And so

697
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,720
these are related to our um, operating

698
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,159
and capital grants. And so our our grant

699
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:04,320
um, administrator works really hard to

700
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,559
kind of keep on top of ensuring that we

701
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,440
give updates and where we're at and and

702
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,080
status reports to the various levels of

703
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,720
government. And so this just summarizes

704
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,200
um some of the grants that we have

705
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,120
applied for, whether they've been

706
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,480
approved um or cancelled in this case.

707
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,559
Um and then just kind of where we're at

708
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,159
in terms of how much we've received of

709
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,320
that grant and how much is still the

710
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,679
difference would be how much is still

711
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,720
outstanding. Um, I won't go into each

712
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,399
individual one, but just to kind of give

713
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,159
council an update that, you know, we've

714
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,720
been pretty successful in getting all of

715
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,000
our our grants um, approved at this

716
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,919
point. There was one small one that was

717
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:48,640
cancelled. Um, and just overall um, this

718
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,960
is kind of a status update and it just

719
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,679
carries on to to page two just because

720
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:56,159
of size. So, there's a bunch of other

721
00:32:56,159 --> 00:33:00,000
various projects here that uh we've

722
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,960
either applied for and um couple have

723
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,039
been declined, but overall we're we've

724
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:06,880
been pretty successful in in getting the

725
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,320
majority of the grants that we've

726
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,029
applied for. So, which is good.

727
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,039
And then just like to kind of provide a

728
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,200
summary of some of the decisions that

729
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,440
have been council resolutions or that

730
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,159
impact reserves to the end of uh October

731
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:24,960
of 2025. I won't go through each one on

732
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,799
this slide, but just provides some

733
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,519
information about just as we keep track

734
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,679
and monitor all of the decisions that

735
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,440
have been made and the impact on our

736
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,960
reserves as we go into the operating uh

737
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,720
budget process or budget deliberation

738
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,039
process. We'll look at our reserves uh

739
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,760
where they're at and and how our

740
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,640
decisions like the approvals from 2025

741
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880
plus what we're proposing in 2026 and

742
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,399
where that leaves us at the um at the

743
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,120
end of 2026 assuming everything was

744
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,120
approved and and goes as planned.

745
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360
So one more question sorry

746
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,830
>> is a manager

747
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:03,840
» is a manager

748
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,230
>> that is the asset management program in

749
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:06,240
» that is the asset management program in

750
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,879
terms of uh looking at all of our assets

751
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:12,079
and doing uh preventative and uh

752
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,720
maintenance as we notice you know based

753
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,040
on risk condition and and risk of the

754
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,800
asset and just ensuring that we're

755
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,760
monitoring our assets closely to um

756
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,760
allow for kind of that automation and

757
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,280
efficiency of making sure we're

758
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,879
maintaining what needs to be maintained

759
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:48,149
when it needs to be maintained.

760
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:56,710
And that is it in terms of an update.

761
00:34:56,720 --> 00:41:13,750
Thank you.

762
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,119
Okay, we'll call the meeting back to

763
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,079
order at 9:40 this morning.

764
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:19,349
>> Cole, floor is yours.

765
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:19,359
» Cole, floor is yours.

766
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:21,349
>> Good morning, council. So, welcome

767
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:21,359
» Good morning, council. So, welcome

768
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:24,880
officially to the 2026 budget um

769
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,079
discussion, presentation, and

770
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,240
deliberations. I anticipate with the

771
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,079
snow everybody's at home with a pot of

772
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,960
coffee on also joining in and listening.

773
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,109
So, welcome.

774
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,200
We'll jump right in uh to the executive

775
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,319
summary. One of the things that we

776
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:42,000
wanted to put at the forefront and not

777
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,319
bury in this document,

778
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:46,240
it's hard to believe with the 128 pages

779
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,079
of slides, but I think it was at 160 at

780
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,920
its peak. So we did uh rein it in but we

781
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,720
have proposed a modest 3% tax increase

782
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,040
uh after growth supporting core services

783
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,079
and uh service levels. We have a

784
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,160
strategic use of reserves to try and

785
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000
normalize or do a better job normalizing

786
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,440
some of those larger cyclical

787
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,680
expenditures. And then a few of the

788
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,960
operational highlights. So we still are

789
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,640
catching up with rising cost pressures.

790
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,240
A lot of those cyclical expenditures

791
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,240
that occurred uh did not occur during

792
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,680
COVID. So, we're on the back end of

793
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,800
finding out what some of those true

794
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,480
costs are that is reflected in this

795
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,400
budget. We have some major um system

796
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,160
modernization. We have the ERP

797
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,160
transition to discuss digitization of

798
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,000
forms, long-term asset management,

799
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,839
planning tools, which is the phase 2

800
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:33,839
maintenance manager. And it also

801
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:35,200
reflected in this is a significant

802
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,680
investment in our infrastructure, roads,

803
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,400
bridges, water, wastewater, storm water.

804
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200
So, we uh we'll get into some more of

805
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,119
the details. One of the reasons we

806
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:46,720
wanted to put the tax increase at the

807
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,560
forefront is you'll see some larger

808
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,800
swings in the dollar amounts and a lot

809
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,880
of that will come from expenditures that

810
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,640
happen cyclally or be transfers from

811
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,319
reserves and so it's just important to

812
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:58,319
contextualize that as we move through

813
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:01,040
the discussion. Just a year in review

814
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,760
and I know the year is not done yet but

815
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,359
some of the key accomplishments from

816
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:08,640
2025 included the conversion of the

817
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,319
point of sale system for the bulk water

818
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,400
stations. We collaborated with many

819
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,240
regional partners on storm water

820
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,800
drainage such as Mallaloy, the Horfly

821
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,440
spillway. We advanced the SRSDC

822
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,200
initiative uh which also ties into

823
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,839
Horsfly. We were the administrative lead

824
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:25,760
on the emergency management regional

825
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,880
partnership which is a huge

826
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,480
accomplishment between Barons,

827
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Nobleford, Pitcherbute and Cohurst. We

828
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,160
launched a new public engagement

829
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,680
strategy that's the deep roots bright

830
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,839
future. We secured long-term fire

831
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,520
service agreements with Pitri, Nolford

832
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,920
and Cohurst uh and are at the tail end

833
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,079
of doing so with Coldell as well which

834
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,880
provides uh stability in fire services

835
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,680
and emergency response in the region. We

836
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,760
launched our multi-year phase 2

837
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,319
implementation of our centralized

838
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,400
maintenance manager system with asset

839
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,240
management. We've started the

840
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,800
digitization of our forms, my virtual

841
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,280
city hall uh for residents and their

842
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,760
ability to view bills. And then we also

843
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,200
completed the eastern industrial

844
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,280
transmission pipeline uh expanding our

845
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,240
aggra food production. And one of the um

846
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,480
more notable level of service increases

847
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,480
and modernization is public works

848
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,240
increased their base stabilization

849
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,640
productivity by 45% and 25.

850
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,920
As we look into the 2026 key priorities,

851
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,520
we've highlighted them here. These will

852
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,040
all be up for discussion as we move

853
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,400
through the waterfall charts and the

854
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,240
department budgets. Some of the key

855
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,319
things to to keep an eye on for those

856
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:34,160
discussions will be the ERP system

857
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,800
planning and implementation. We again

858
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,880
the multi-year

859
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,880
enterprise resource planning. So that's

860
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,960
our finance system, HR payroll. Um asset

861
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,880
management phase two. So that's our

862
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,880
maintenance manager. Uh we've tried to

863
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,880
call it this. I know there's been a few

864
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,480
phases thrown around. I think we did the

865
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,640
first one in three phases. This is our

866
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,040
big picture asset management phase two

867
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,680
implementation. Public operations gravel

868
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,359
crushing. Well, that is something we've

869
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:04,640
done historically in the past. It's

870
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,200
something that we're seeing uh very

871
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
escalated cost pressures on. So, we've

872
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,200
highlighted it here. The assessment

873
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,480
services transition to third party. Um

874
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,079
so, we'll have some overlap this year as

875
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,599
we transition from in-house assessment

876
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,079
services, council strategic plan, and

877
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:21,760
other cyclical council related

878
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160
activities due to the election. and then

879
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,240
um our investment and growth and

880
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,119
engagement initiatives.

881
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,400
I ran through that pretty quick because

882
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,440
we're going to get into the meat of it

883
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,839
in the agenda, but any questions before

884
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,079
we jump into the agenda and start

885
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,630
getting into the department summaries?

886
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,550
All right,

887
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:58,069
or you could uh

888
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,280
There we go. Rookie mistake. Uh, good

889
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,040
morning, Reven Council. Uh, for the

890
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,800
record, my name is Justin Ellis, manager

891
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,800
of strategic initiatives for Lethbridge

892
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,359
County. I assisted the director of

893
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,680
corporate services, Haley, with the

894
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,480
preparation of the 2026 operational

895
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,240
budget and have been requested to

896
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,400
introduce the budget summary at a high

897
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
level, the revenue summary at a high

898
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,319
level, expenditure summary, and the

899
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:25,520
property taxes. Uh, but first, I'll run

900
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,079
you through the agenda that we propose

901
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,240
to follow today.

902
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,640
Uh, first I will lead you through the

903
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,440
budget overview. Then we'll move into

904
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,520
the operating budget where we'll walk

905
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,200
you through each of the departments.

906
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,440
Each of the departments has a intro

907
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,040
slide with a short overview uh to remind

908
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,119
you of what's in the department followed

909
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,440
by a table outlining your revenues

910
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,480
expenses followed by a waterfall chart

911
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,319
focused on the expenditures and the

912
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:57,680
differences between years in the budget

913
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,800
for those expenditures to tell you uh

914
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,200
how the how the story goes and the key

915
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,880
drivers for the changes. and uh some if

916
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,920
applicable have a follow-up slide with

917
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,880
the operational project description. Uh

918
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,640
after we've run through those, we'll

919
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,200
walk you through the capital budget,

920
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,359
infrastructure, market access, network,

921
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:21,599
vehicles, municipal reserves, info

922
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,839
technology, and then we'll jump back

923
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:29,829
into a summary at that time.

924
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,160
All right.

925
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,200
So, budget overview. uh this is a high

926
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,920
level total and and we start with

927
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,400
getting the big picture in mind and and

928
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,000
uh we'll go into the details by area and

929
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,800
each of the budget owners will present

930
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,440
their own. Uh like Cole said, we don't

931
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,720
want to bury the headline. In the

932
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,839
operating budget for 2026, there's a

933
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,560
proposed 3% municipal tax rate increase

934
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,880
for all property classes. That's after

935
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,319
growth. The non-residential to municipal

936
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:06,079
rate continues at a roughly 2:1 ratio

937
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:10,560
with the legislated maximum 5.1.

938
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,440
We're going to get into each of the

939
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,960
departments, but the key messages here

940
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,119
are that 90% of the increases in the

941
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,640
expenditures for this budget are

942
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,280
associated with gravel crushing, fire

943
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,800
service related costs, mostly one-time,

944
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,680
water purchases, operational projects,

945
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,520
provincial policing, and growth and

946
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,400
engagement. Uh we'll also make mention

947
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,000
throughout the presentation and we have

948
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,960
already about the downloading of uh

949
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,000
costs and grant uh from the province

950
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,880
decrease and grants and uh

951
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,200
we'll move on into the revenue summary.

952
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,160
So this is the summary of the revenues.

953
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,160
This is the cost coming in. The line at

954
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,319
the top is the property tax. So, what

955
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,880
we're looking for, your approval today,

956
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,359
baked in the cake, is the 21.7

957
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:06,960
million.

958
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Uh, grants have decreased slightly. Uh,

959
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,000
the LG FF has reduced by about $100,000

960
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,680
year-over-year.

961
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,040
It's lower than 2025, but still higher

962
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,119
than 2024.

963
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,800
The egg service grants are the same.

964
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,200
They're locked in for 2025 to 2029.

965
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Sales of goods and services have

966
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,520
increased mostly due to increase in in

967
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,920
water sales related to some of the

968
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,200
expansion in our acre food processing as

969
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,200
well as uh increase in sales to dust

970
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,880
control. uh uptake in the spring program

971
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,440
and uh level of ser potential level of

972
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,079
service change that uh that the director

973
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,119
of of uh operations will discuss with

974
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:03,200
you. Service agreements mostly stay

975
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,599
unchanged. Services to other

976
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,760
departments. So you'll see this

977
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,520
throughout the budget. So I wanted to

978
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,079
address this. Now the services to other

979
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,760
departments are mostly uh to do with

980
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,599
fleet services and IT services and what

981
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,000
we do is we we look at all of the

982
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,599
software and all the hardware and all

983
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,760
the TVs and all the computers and we add

984
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,720
all the costs of that up and then we

985
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,040
distribute those costs across the entire

986
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,040
organization mostly by mostly by per

987
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,000
person. uh in some cases like council

988
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,920
you don't have computers so we've we've

989
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,440
reduced the amount that we allocate to

990
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,040
you

991
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,200
and then fleet we do the same thing we

992
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,599
rent our fleet from ourselves so we rent

993
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,200
our graders from ourselves for public

994
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,720
operations and we rent our light

995
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:54,160
vehicles and our and yeah we rent our

996
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,680
light vehicles and our other equipment

997
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,839
for either egg services or for the the

998
00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:59,280
vehicles you see in the parking lot out

999
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,880
there.

1000
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,800
Fines and penalties they remain

1001
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,480
unchanged.

1002
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,440
returns on investment we've left as uh

1003
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,599
we've aligned with previous budget

1004
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,960
assumptions other revenue

1005
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,359
unchanged and transfers from reserves.

1006
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,680
The conversation around this will be

1007
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,559
embedded throughout, but the main focus

1008
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,880
here is we are drawing from our savings

1009
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,559
account for planned life cycle equipment

1010
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,440
purchases which uh are mostly located in

1011
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,680
the fire services

1012
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,680
but it they are spread out through other

1013
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,599
services as well. And the market access

1014
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,839
network uh can be seen at the bottom of

1015
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:49,430
the screen.

1016
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,760
This is just a a illustration to show

1017
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,760
you visually where the money that we use

1018
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:06,870
to operate the corporation's coming from

1019
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,880
and I'll move into the expense summary.

1020
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,520
So we are going to get into each

1021
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,280
department later, but the key messages

1022
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,800
here are again that 90% of increases and

1023
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,480
expenses for this budget are associated

1024
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,880
with gravel crushing, fire service

1025
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,559
related costs, water purchases,

1026
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,880
operational projects, provincial

1027
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,839
policing and growth and engagement.

1028
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,720
Uh salaries, wages, and benefits have

1029
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,200
increased slightly

1030
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,960
for cola and for merit. Uh there's some

1031
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,920
assumptions in there for inflationary

1032
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,000
impacts of

1033
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,280
escalation to the benefits

1034
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,599
contract and general services that's

1035
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:53,040
increased. That's where you'll see the

1036
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,200
up for the cyclical gravel crushing.

1037
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,680
Now we've it's a it's a large expense.

1038
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,760
We do it every three years, but we plan

1039
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,480
for it. So the revenue on the other

1040
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,920
side, you saw that we're taking money

1041
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,520
out of the savings account to pay for

1042
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,839
it. So

1043
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:12,400
material supplies and other operating

1044
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,319
costs, we will discuss that in further

1045
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:16,480
detail later on. The services by

1046
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,280
department remain essentially unchanged,

1047
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,520
slightly increased for escalation.

1048
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,400
Operating projects, uh we'll discuss

1049
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,079
those in further detail. They're

1050
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:29,440
separated out in each of the

1051
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,240
departments. emergency service

1052
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,839
agreements. This isn't the agreements ju

1053
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:39,040
just themselves. A large part of this,

1054
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,760
if not all of the increase is actually

1055
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,359
due to moving money from our savings

1056
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:50,000
account to pay for uh new fire equipment

1057
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
that we've been planning for over the

1058
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,839
last uh number of years.

1059
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:58,319
other expenditures essentially unchange

1060
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:02,720
and then transfers to reserves uh we'll

1061
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,000
talk about later.

1062
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,920
Again, a pie chart just to help give you

1063
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,880
that visual of where the money we're

1064
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:19,829
spending is being spent.

1065
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,319
The last section that I'll review before

1066
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,359
I pass the mic over to Haley is the

1067
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:28,640
property taxes.

1068
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,000
So, if the budget is approved as

1069
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,880
proposed, it will require a 3% increase

1070
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,480
in taxation and that's after growth. So,

1071
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,160
a net municipal property taxes of 21.7

1072
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,720
million this year constitutes that 3%

1073
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,440
increase.

1074
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,760
Net municipal property tax includes all

1075
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,400
property taxes less requisitions of the

1076
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,240
Alberta School Foundation, the

1077
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,720
designated industrial properties and

1078
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,760
Green Acres Foundation. Property taxes

1079
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,520
are levied on properties within the

1080
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,839
county based on an assessment value of

1081
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:06,160
the property multiplied by the tax rate

1082
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,960
approved by council each year. Property

1083
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,960
taxes continue to be the most

1084
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,960
significant source of revenue for the

1085
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,240
county. In 2026 operating budget, uh

1086
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,559
the non-residential to municipal rate

1087
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:24,640
continues at a roughly 2:1 ratio,

1088
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,880
well within the legislative maximum of 5

1089
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,870
to1.

1090
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,040
In addition to the property tax, but

1091
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,040
often confused because it's all on the

1092
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,359
same bill, the Lethridge County

1093
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:41,760
collected in 2025 $7.2 million on behalf

1094
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,559
of the Alberta School Foundation.

1095
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,520
That's a requisition by the province. We

1096
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,079
collect uh 27 million in provincial

1097
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,400
designated industrial property tax

1098
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,280
designated by the province. And $371,000

1099
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,280
on behalf of Green Acres Foundation.

1100
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,960
Again, those are all

1101
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,799
added on but uh not uh not funding us.

1102
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:08,319
Um

1103
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:10,799
what we should mention here which also

1104
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,799
ties into some of the pressure that

1105
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:16,000
we're seeing is that the capex portion

1106
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,319
of the 2026 local government fiscal

1107
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:21,040
framework is expected to provide $2.3

1108
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,119
million in 2026 which is slightly uh

1109
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,119
decreased

1110
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,000
from the $2.4 4 million we received in

1111
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,200
2025. The opex portion. Uh

1112
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,440
usually what we do is we we budget a

1113
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,799
percentage of that. Uh so it's we've

1114
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:43,680
we've left that to be consistent. On the

1115
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160
egg side of things, uh we are to receive

1116
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,640
$244,000

1117
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,920
each year from 2025 to 2029. And that's

1118
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,040
split between legislative activities for

1119
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:02,950
egg services and uh resource management.

1120
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,040
These visuals based on 2025 data are

1121
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,040
intended to help you see the county's

1122
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,960
current assessment breakdown and the

1123
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,680
resulting property tax revenue.

1124
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,480
Farmland, for example, makes up 6% of

1125
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,799
the assessment breakdown, but

1126
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:22,000
contributes 23% of our property taxes.

1127
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,319
Whereas residential assessment makes up

1128
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:26,720
53% of the assessment breakdown, but

1129
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,520
contributes 31% of the property tax

1130
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,880
revenue. The rest remain fairly

1131
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,870
balanced.

1132
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,720
And this is a summary by department

1133
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,319
showing

1134
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:46,640
what's left over after the revenue comes

1135
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,400
in and the expenses go out and each

1136
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,079
areas

1137
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:53,760
uh

1138
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,599
each area's request for tax support.

1139
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,400
council, for example, uh would require

1140
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,640
$700,000 worth of tax support and public

1141
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,599
operations.

1142
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,430
>> Question second.

1143
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:11,440
» Question second.

1144
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,150
>> Yes.

1145
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:12,160
» Yes.

1146
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,950
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um just just back

1147
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:14,960
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um just just back

1148
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,040
to the pie charts for the assessment

1149
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,280
breakdown

1150
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,960
and being that farmland's at 6%. That is

1151
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,599
that is if I understand it correctly

1152
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,520
largely due to the fact that farmland

1153
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,400
assessment has been frozen for 30 odd

1154
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,480
years. Correct. So that's the assessed

1155
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,400
value that we're talking about.

1156
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,480
these uh these numbers were uh provided

1157
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,880
by our tax and assessment uh individual.

1158
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,119
I I would have to go back and ask them

1159
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,520
for further clarification unless Haley

1160
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,440
has an answer.

1161
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,880
So um as an example because the

1162
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,960
non-residential mill rate is roughly

1163
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,720
double the residential mill rate that's

1164
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,400
the reason for the difference between

1165
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,319
like the percentage of the assessment

1166
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:11,520
value of the total county versus the

1167
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,240
property tax revenue. So because the um

1168
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:26,640
the non-residential is at 23 sorry

1169
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,920
yeah and so it's contributing

1170
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,240
um

1171
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,520
essentially the same amount because

1172
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,280
residential is actually like half of

1173
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,760
their mill rate. So, it's based on kind

1174
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,599
of the the total assessment value versus

1175
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:47,200
how much each mill rate um each category

1176
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,440
contributes their mill rate as a

1177
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,200
percentage of one another because

1178
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,559
they're just different, right? So,

1179
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,160
they're not all one for one,

1180
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,829
>> right? I understand that. I was just

1181
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:55,839
» right? I understand that. I was just

1182
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:57,920
making a comment about

1183
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,349
>> Sorry, I understand that. But I was just

1184
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:59,359
» Sorry, I understand that. But I was just

1185
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:01,440
making a comment about the assessment.

1186
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920
The assessment is based on dollar value

1187
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,839
assessment if I'm correct. Right.

1188
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:08,069
>> Right. So, you know, of note, you know,

1189
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:08,079
» Right. So, you know, of note, you know,

1190
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,599
when we're talking about farmland being

1191
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,680
such a small portion of the assessed

1192
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,640
value, that is because the assessed

1193
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,280
value of farmland has been frozen at an

1194
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,920
arbitrarily low number for decades.

1195
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,630
>> Correct. Yes.

1196
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:20,640
» Correct. Yes.

1197
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,190
>> Right.

1198
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:21,200
» Right.

1199
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,710
>> Yeah.

1200
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:22,720
» Yeah.

1201
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,750
>> Sorry.

1202
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:23,760
» Sorry.

1203
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,030
>> Oh, thank you. Thank you for the

1204
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:25,040
» Oh, thank you. Thank you for the

1205
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,630
question.

1206
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,720
» All right. I will now turn the

1207
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:41,670
presentation back over to Haley.

1208
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Okay. So, we're just going to look a

1209
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,079
little bit in terms of the uh reserve

1210
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:49,839
funding summary. Um, so there's a a

1211
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,319
county reserve policy that specifically

1212
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:56,000
kind of outlines various aspects of the

1213
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,240
requirements within how the county

1214
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,000
manages our reserves and the various

1215
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,559
types of reserves that we have. Um, I

1216
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,480
will need to bring this policy back to

1217
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,880
council for updating just given that it

1218
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,599
hasn't been revised since 2021. So,

1219
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,280
there are some changes that will need to

1220
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,559
be made um as it relates to the policy,

1221
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,319
but this is the existing policy that we

1222
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:18,720
have in place today. So, what we did was

1223
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,240
we looked at the 2026 starting balance

1224
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,480
assuming all of the reserve transfers

1225
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,160
that were approved in the capital and

1226
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,280
operating budget will be adjusted by the

1227
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,440
end of the year. And then we looked at

1228
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,839
kind of the ins and outs uh throughout

1229
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:36,079
2026 based on what we're proposing

1230
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:37,440
within the budget, which you'll see

1231
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,440
conversations about all of those reserve

1232
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,440
transfers throughout the discussion

1233
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,160
today. Um which gives us an ending

1234
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,040
balance at the end of 2026 of roughly

1235
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,640
$34.9 million. Um the county has been

1236
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,520
working really hard to make some

1237
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,760
contributions to the reserves to ensure

1238
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,839
that we have kind of future um

1239
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:01,839
sufficient funding in the future to

1240
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:04,240
maintain our existing assets. I realize

1241
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,559
this looks like a significant decrease

1242
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,520
based on what we're proposing over 2026.

1243
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,160
One thing to keep in mind is there's um

1244
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,680
some significant draws. uh 2026 will be

1245
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,240
uh a gravel crushing year which is a

1246
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,400
significant kind of operational cost

1247
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,200
that occurs every three years. And so we

1248
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,119
put money away each year to contribute

1249
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,040
to the gravel crushing and then it's

1250
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,839
drawn out kind of in in its entirety in

1251
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:32,640
the year that it happens. And so that is

1252
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,920
one aspect of this as to why the outs in

1253
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,400
this instance are higher. And then the

1254
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,200
other significant kind of uh draws on

1255
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,280
the reserve for 2026 proposed is all of

1256
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,400
the um emergency services vehicles in

1257
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,799
terms of our transitioning out of of

1258
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:53,359
capital kind of related to emergency

1259
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,920
services. So we'll get into that more in

1260
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,280
later on. I just kind of wanted to

1261
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,440
highlight that because there is there is

1262
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,760
a need and an awareness in terms of

1263
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,520
continuing to contribute to the reserves

1264
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,920
to ensure that we are maintaining our

1265
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,079
assets long term.

1266
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:09,040
You want to say something?

1267
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:09,910
>> I have a question.

1268
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:09,920
» I have a question.

1269
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,470
>> Oh, sorry.

1270
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:10,480
» Oh, sorry.

1271
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,470
>> Thank you. So, is it still a requirement

1272
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:12,480
» Thank you. So, is it still a requirement

1273
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,720
of the provincial government to uh

1274
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,799
maintain in reserves a balance equal to

1275
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:20,240
that of your taxation for the year?

1276
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,470
>> Um, typically that's like a best

1277
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:22,480
» Um, typically that's like a best

1278
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,319
practice. I'm not I'm not aware that it

1279
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:25,440
was actually like a specific

1280
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:25,839
requirement.

1281
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:26,870
>> It was at one point.

1282
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:26,880
» It was at one point.

1283
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,270
>> Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, I mean that is

1284
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:29,280
» Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, I mean that is

1285
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,960
that is best practice in terms of

1286
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,359
ensuring you have sufficient resources

1287
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:36,079
to should kind of unanticipated things

1288
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,319
come up and you know the ability to

1289
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:41,039
maintain and sustain long-term all of

1290
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,079
our assets within within the county. Um,

1291
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,799
definitely.

1292
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:49,200
So the next slides just summarize the

1293
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,720
types of reserves that we have

1294
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,559
currently, what the starting balance

1295
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,880
would be at the uh beginning of 2026,

1296
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,400
what some of the ins and outs are, which

1297
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,760
you'll see throughout the discussion uh

1298
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,599
what they relate to and just kind of

1299
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,280
giving you the summary of the ending

1300
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,200
balance which we talked about um as a

1301
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,760
whole. there's some designated reserves

1302
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,960
specific to uh local improvement and uh

1303
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,960
frontage which have specific

1304
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,280
requirements and so those are just um

1305
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,760
allocated as designated reserves and

1306
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,760
then uh we'll talk more about each of

1307
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,520
the reserves individually as we go.

1308
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,039
One of the things that just wanted to

1309
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,880
highlight in terms of our debt

1310
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,200
obligations. So the MGA, the municipal

1311
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520
government act specifies specific

1312
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,760
requirements in terms of how our debt

1313
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,920
limits are established and what that

1314
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,160
looks like in terms of limit caps. And

1315
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,640
so you can see the in the blue is the

1316
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,559
total debt that we currently have based

1317
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:46,000
on 2025 actuals. And then we've just

1318
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,880
projected what that looks like uh over

1319
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,960
the next three years. the uh brownish

1320
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,760
colored line or bar is the total debt

1321
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,839
limit and that's based on our total

1322
01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:00,079
revenue. And so that um amount

1323
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:01,680
fluctuates from year to year depending

1324
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,079
on what what that revenue item looks

1325
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,640
like. And so, you know, we're based on

1326
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,640
our unused debt limit, we're we're in

1327
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,880
pretty good shape in terms of ensuring

1328
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,920
we remain in compliance with the MGA

1329
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,720
requirements. Uh the next slide is just

1330
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,559
another way to look at it in terms of

1331
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:21,200
our ability to meet our annual repayment

1332
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,960
obligations which is principal and

1333
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,920
interest and um the county continues to

1334
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,599
kind of maintain a healthy buffer in

1335
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,520
terms of our debt servicing versus our

1336
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,480
debt limit which is good.

1337
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,200
Uh this is just a summary of our

1338
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,200
outstanding debt as of um what the

1339
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,520
balance will be at the end of 2025 after

1340
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,920
those final payments are made uh at

1341
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,039
December 31st. And so this just provides

1342
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,200
the annual payment amounts and just

1343
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,680
demonstrating uh what that looks like in

1344
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,760
terms of the year of maturity and and

1345
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
the interest rates that were uh part of

1346
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,200
these loan payments and loan that were

1347
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,520
drawn.

1348
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,000
So, what I'm going to do now if there

1349
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,079
isn't any questions, uh, Reef Campbell

1350
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:08,640
is just walk through council as, uh, one

1351
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,119
of the examples of how what we'll see in

1352
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:12,960
each department as we go through them.

1353
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,680
Um, if we're good to kind of continue on

1354
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,880
and dig into the each individual area.

1355
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,799
Okay. So, each section will show um,

1356
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:24,400
kind of a highle overview of the

1357
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,760
services and programs that the

1358
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,480
department or area provides within the

1359
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,240
county. Um we're going to look at

1360
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,119
council first in terms of the um

1361
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:35,839
operational and kind of changes to the

1362
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:39,280
proposed budget for 2026. Um this just

1363
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,039
kind of provides a highle summary of the

1364
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:43,599
department for specific areas. Obviously

1365
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,026
council knows what council does.

1366
01:06:46,026 --> 01:06:47,839
[laughter]

1367
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:50,799
Um and then each area will demonstrate

1368
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:52,960
uh kind of a cost summary slide showing

1369
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,680
total revenues as well as expenditures

1370
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,200
specific to that um that area as well as

1371
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,680
a kind of a percentage change between

1372
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,559
the 2025 approved budget and what is

1373
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:07,599
being proposed for 2026.

1374
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:09,440
Um and then it's just broken down by

1375
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,359
specific expenditure types including

1376
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:13,440
wages and and benefits you know

1377
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,240
contractual in general any kind of uh

1378
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,839
services by other departments which is

1379
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:21,680
that it or um uh fleet charges and then

1380
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,760
just if there's any operating projects

1381
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,640
within the area as well as any reserve

1382
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,599
transfers. So the each each slide for

1383
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,680
each area will look very similar to what

1384
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,880
is presented here for council.

1385
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,119
And then each area will have a um a a

1386
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:41,359
waterfall slide in terms of just showing

1387
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:44,160
kind of the ins and outs of the change

1388
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,079
from the 2025 budget to 2026 as well as

1389
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:50,000
you'll see that there's the change from

1390
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,200
2026 to 2027 and then the change to

1391
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,960
2028. Um and so really what we'll

1392
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,640
probably be focusing on or most areas

1393
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,799
we'll be focusing on is the key variance

1394
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:02,960
drivers uh just summarizing some of the

1395
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,839
highlevel differences um for each area

1396
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:08,240
and what that looks like. Um so if

1397
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,000
there's a red it's an increase if

1398
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,240
there's a green it's a decrease um and

1399
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,119
just demonstrating some of the overall

1400
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,640
highle changes of what um each area is

1401
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,400
experiencing or proposed within their

1402
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,400
budget. So, in this instance, if we look

1403
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,199
at 2026 to 2025, we've got some

1404
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:27,279
increases in benefits for council. We've

1405
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,319
got um some allowance for grants and uh

1406
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,480
donation adjustments based on kind of

1407
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,799
historical uh resolutions and approvals

1408
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:39,679
by council. Um there's a 2% escalation

1409
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:41,920
on kind of some of those inflationary

1410
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,239
items uh related within the area. Um

1411
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,600
there's an increase in the cost of the

1412
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,679
council election cycle activities like

1413
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:53,279
strategic planning and orientation just

1414
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,920
to kind of smooth those over the

1415
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,880
election period just to allow for a less

1416
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,000
kind of volatility of of increases uh or

1417
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,480
decreases depending on the year that the

1418
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:07,600
within the budget cycle. Um and then we

1419
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,279
just redistributed you'll see this

1420
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,359
throughout in terms of the transfers to

1421
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:15,440
departments. We we took a look at uh IT

1422
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:17,520
charges throughout all the areas and

1423
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,199
just kind of tried to realign. We tried

1424
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,839
to consolidate all of the software and

1425
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:25,279
various costs within IT um or related to

1426
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:27,759
IT within IT. So for example, the

1427
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:30,080
financial system used to be in finance

1428
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,239
and admin and it it just kind of makes

1429
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,080
the story more complicated at the end of

1430
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,480
the day than you know just kind of

1431
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:38,799
highlighting high level. And so some of

1432
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:42,560
those changes will be reflected in that

1433
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,359
um transfer to departments in terms of

1434
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,440
just redistributing and and more

1435
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,920
reasonably allocating how the IT charges

1436
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,560
relate. So um that was a decrease for

1437
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,000
specifically for um the for council's

1438
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,679
area. Um and then we just wanted to look

1439
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:01,679
at how we balance contributions to the

1440
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:04,320
reserve over over the period to ensure

1441
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,480
that we're you know maintaining the

1442
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:08,400
appropriate funding for the necessary

1443
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,560
initiatives and projects that happen.

1444
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,080
And then if you look you'll see

1445
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,920
throughout the there's a slight

1446
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,920
escalation in 2027 and a slight

1447
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,480
escalation in 2028. And so this will

1448
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,800
really be the you know the overall

1449
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,199
format and structure for each area as we

1450
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,360
walk through and and talk about them in

1451
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:39,198
more detail.

1452
01:10:39,208 --> 01:10:42,070
» [clears throat]

1453
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,400
» Wonderful. We'll move into the CEO

1454
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,640
office. I think this is important to

1455
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,880
note. Um, I know councelor Van Essen was

1456
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,560
excited to see this budget change and

1457
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,840
thought you guys gave me a big raise

1458
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,239
last term, but we have made some uh

1459
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,560
organizational adjustments. So, the CAO

1460
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,360
office does include um legislative

1461
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,600
services, administration support, and

1462
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,360
strategic initiatives. Uh, you guys know

1463
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,719
what we do and how we do that. We've

1464
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:10,080
just restructured the department a

1465
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,880
little bit to to change that. However,

1466
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,480
uh, we'll go through this. I would

1467
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,000
recommend to council because I want to

1468
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,600
go through some of the changes. Uh

1469
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,120
however, I would recommend for some of

1470
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,480
the preliminary discussion that we move

1471
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,880
into a close session pursuant to ATIA

1472
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,760
section 20 and 26. So just harmful to

1473
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,719
personal information and

1474
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:28,159
intergovernmental relations if you guys

1475
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:34,070
are okay with that.

1476
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,440
» Yes, please.

1477
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,189
>> I'd like to move that we go to close

1478
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:39,199
» I'd like to move that we go to close

1479
01:11:39,199 --> 01:13:28,630
action.

1480
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:39,750
to

1481
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,280
» wonderful. We'll move on to people and

1482
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,199
culture. So, this is our human

1483
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:46,080
resources, health, safety, payroll. Um

1484
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,480
you'll see some changes in this

1485
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,480
department similar to what we discussed

1486
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:52,080
previously with internal transfers.

1487
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,239
We've also reduced the FTE count in this

1488
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,000
department permanently. So you'll see

1489
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,880
that uh and then the transfers between

1490
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,480
departments is just kind of the right

1491
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,320
sizing of what those allocations are

1492
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,000
similar to what you saw in council. Um

1493
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,719
and then

1494
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:10,560
we can discuss anything else but this

1495
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,760
one's a pretty straightforward. We've

1496
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,440
got some small software related costs or

1497
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:16,159
safety related costs rather and then um

1498
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:20,790
the personnel adjustments.

1499
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,400
» Thank you. One thing that'd be kind of

1500
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,560
handy was if we knew how many staff were

1501
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,280
in each one of these departments. It's

1502
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,640
kind of nice to know.

1503
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,030
>> Yeah, we we do have an FTE sheet that we

1504
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:31,040
» Yeah, we we do have an FTE sheet that we

1505
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,040
could pull up after. Um, I don't know if

1506
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,480
we've bucketed it by department, but

1507
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,400
we've we've got them all consolidated to

1508
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,600
say here's what we have, here's what's

1509
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:38,800
changed over the years that we can

1510
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,239
review at the end if you want to go

1511
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:46,229
through it that way.

1512
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,719
» When we used to do uh budgeting,

1513
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:50,470
>> we'd have like if you have 10 people in

1514
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:50,480
» we'd have like if you have 10 people in

1515
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:52,560
your department, say like public works

1516
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,960
or 20 or whatever the number is just at

1517
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,800
the top of the thing, that's all.

1518
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,709
>> Sure. Yeah, we would we would probably

1519
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:58,719
» Sure. Yeah, we would we would probably

1520
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,320
look to consolidate. We have a few

1521
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,520
departments with only a couple staff.

1522
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,199
Um, and so we we'll just have to

1523
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:06,320
consolidate them or make sure that

1524
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,600
they're readable in a way that it

1525
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,840
they're not small so small that they

1526
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,520
would share that personal information,

1527
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,400
but rather that. But yeah, absolutely. I

1528
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:15,520
think we could look at putting that in

1529
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,030
in the future.

1530
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,560
Any questions on

1531
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,640
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this one saw a

1532
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,480
slight decrease, but that's mostly just

1533
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,120
because of of realignment of personnel

1534
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,719
transfers.

1535
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:35,030
>> Yeah. And then a reduction in FTE, too.

1536
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:35,040
» Yeah. And then a reduction in FTE, too.

1537
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:35,600
Yeah.

1538
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:36,550
>> Well, that's what I mean.

1539
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:36,560
» Well, that's what I mean.

1540
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,149
>> One's a personnel transfer, ones we

1541
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:38,159
» One's a personnel transfer, ones we

1542
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:39,520
eliminated an FTE position.

1543
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,709
>> Oh, you Oh, okay.

1544
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:40,719
» Oh, you Oh, okay.

1545
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:41,110
>> Yeah.

1546
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:41,120
» Yeah.

1547
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,550
>> Okay, perfect. Thanks.

1548
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:42,560
» Okay, perfect. Thanks.

1549
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,470
>> Um, one thing I will cover, we've got

1550
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:44,480
» Um, one thing I will cover, we've got

1551
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:46,880
some operating projects as part of that.

1552
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,360
Uh, so some of the corporate safety

1553
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,880
management software for some of our core

1554
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,800
audit recommendations and compliance was

1555
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,600
was on there for 16,000. And then um

1556
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,880
we've had kind of a standing 25,000 for

1557
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,199
records management scanning that's been

1558
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,760
going on for five or six years that we

1559
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,199
just need to continue to do as we clean

1560
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,679
up those old files um department files

1561
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:09,040
in the basement. So we've kind of left

1562
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,719
that on there. That work needs to

1563
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:13,040
continue on as we modernize our systems

1564
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,800
and we get that those records digitized

1565
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,560
that need to be. But that's the only two

1566
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,950
operating projects in that department.

1567
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:31,669
Come on. that one. Everybody's favorite.

1568
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:34,560
» Morning, council.

1569
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:39,750
>> Let's get into this.

1570
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,880
Okay. So, public works. Uh we'll start

1571
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,280
with the with the big everything to do

1572
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,280
with roads and and everything in between

1573
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,840
from grading graveling, dust suppression

1574
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:55,920
program, hall routes and signage. So

1575
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,679
uh quick overview, couple things to

1576
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:00,080
highlight. Um already mentioned earlier

1577
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,320
is just grants are are down across the

1578
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,520
board. Public works isn't uh immune to

1579
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,480
that either. Um the one you will notice

1580
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,239
is sales of goods and services. And so

1581
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,239
this was mentioned earlier by Justin.

1582
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:16,800
And so this uh uptick here is to reflect

1583
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,880
what I will be recommending to council

1584
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,679
as a level of service change for a fall

1585
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:24,000
application for a dust suppression

1586
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,920
program. And this would reflect um uh if

1587
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,960
that were to be adopted um based on the

1588
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,560
percentage of residents that may apply

1589
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,480
to that based on some benchmarking I've

1590
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:35,920
done with other jurisdictions that do

1591
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,840
provide a site allocation. We will

1592
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,440
discuss that further in in the

1593
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,679
waterfall.

1594
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:43,270
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. By a fall

1595
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:43,280
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. By a fall

1596
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:44,719
application, you mean like a second

1597
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:46,400
application? So, we have a spring

1598
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,840
potentially a spring and a fall

1599
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:48,239
application.

1600
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:50,149
>> That is correct, Council Kervis. Yes.

1601
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:50,159
» That is correct, Council Kervis. Yes.

1602
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:50,790
>> Thank you.

1603
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:50,800
» Thank you.

1604
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,270
>> So, and so we'll discuss that further in

1605
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:53,280
» So, and so we'll discuss that further in

1606
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,600
the waterfall in great detail.

1607
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,350
>> Um the other one as well, um you'll

1608
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:59,360
» Um the other one as well, um you'll

1609
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,840
notice on the market access network

1610
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,719
reserve transfer a reduction there. And

1611
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:07,040
so there was a an error made in 2025

1612
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,760
where we inappropriately escalated

1613
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,239
um that cost uh whereas that is actually

1614
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:14,800
fixed cost and that debenture payment is

1615
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,280
the $75,000. So that has been corrected

1616
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,440
for now and moving into the future

1617
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:27,350
and uh let's roll to expenditures.

1618
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,880
» Thank you. Sorry, Ryan. I

1619
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:29,590
>> Yes,

1620
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:29,600
» Yes,

1621
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,070
>> just looking at the I mean there's

1622
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:32,080
» just looking at the I mean there's

1623
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,400
obviously a significant increase in the

1624
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,480
transfer from reserves.

1625
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:39,750
>> So in the revenues standpoint.

1626
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:39,760
» So in the revenues standpoint.

1627
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,110
>> Yes. So uh thank you for that question,

1628
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:43,120
» Yes. So uh thank you for that question,

1629
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,800
councelor Kervis. So what we're looking

1630
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,199
at there is so this is our gravel

1631
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:52,000
crushing um for the 2026 season and

1632
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,840
we'll discuss that as well. That's what

1633
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,960
that represents.

1634
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,390
>> Thank you. That's what I suspected. I

1635
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:56,400
» Thank you. That's what I suspected. I

1636
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,600
just kind of wanted it out there.

1637
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,110
>> Absolutely. Yeah. So, just so you know

1638
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:59,120
» Absolutely. Yeah. So, just so you know

1639
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,120
what that number is, it's $1.2 million

1640
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,000
by and change is what that is. And

1641
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,520
that's for three years worth of gravel.

1642
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,840
So, that's 300,000 tons. And that's been

1643
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,320
a regular quite regular practice. I

1644
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,239
think this is the third time that uh

1645
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:13,920
we've crushed in that manner in that

1646
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920
volume. And that seems to meet our needs

1647
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,400
in terms of uh graveling our roadways uh

1648
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,320
in that three years. Thank you.

1649
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,560
I thought it may be easiest probably

1650
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:28,480
just to go from left to right and uh as

1651
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:31,360
questions come up uh we can just address

1652
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,199
them accordingly. So the first one here

1653
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:36,400
you see personnel adjustments. So we as

1654
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,719
a county started last year where we use

1655
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:41,280
Questica uh software for our budgeting

1656
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,239
purposes where we enter in uh everything

1657
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,640
that really calculates in a finer detail

1658
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,199
specifically for our staffing model by

1659
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,120
FTE by person and there's some built-in

1660
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,640
assumptions for our budgeting aspect and

1661
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,320
for example assumptions that we make

1662
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,640
where we have with our unionized staff

1663
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,679
they have a a start rate and a job rate

1664
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:04,000
and so for a conservative estimate

1665
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,560
because we don't know where um

1666
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,400
necessarily when we have seasonals or

1667
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,760
casuals where they're going to land on

1668
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,520
that scale. So, we we budget at at a job

1669
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,440
rate because people will move to that uh

1670
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,440
over time. The other one that that is

1671
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,360
baked in with the Questica software for

1672
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,679
budgeting purposes is our benefits and

1673
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:23,280
benefits are quite substantially

1674
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:24,880
different from if you're a single

1675
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,159
individual versus a family. And so uh as

1676
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:30,239
a default what is is baked in that

1677
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,480
you'll see here and that's part partly

1678
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:34,719
represents that increase in funding is

1679
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:36,960
that it's uh at a family rate benefit

1680
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,440
and not a single. So we have that

1681
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:41,840
latitude that we're covered depending on

1682
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,560
uh who we hire um for our casuals and

1683
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,920
seasonals. So our permits are are are in

1684
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:53,669
as permanence and fully accounted for.

1685
01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:55,520
The other thing that's also in this

1686
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,600
personnel adjustment is the cost of

1687
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,960
living and at 2% and that alone is

1688
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,480
$60,000 uh of the $200,000 in change

1689
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,840
that you're seeing here.

1690
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,080
So, move next to transfers to

1691
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,320
departments. Uh this is the ongoing

1692
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,280
efforts that we've made um specifically

1693
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,600
myself and and Devon with the technical

1694
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,760
services team as we look to find

1695
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,480
operational efficiencies and wanted to

1696
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,040
rightsize and realign um some of the

1697
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,520
opportunities we have to improve uh as a

1698
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,760
county. So what this represents $50,000

1699
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,920
of that $60,000 reduction is actually

1700
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,600
transferred to Devon because we look at

1701
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,960
some of our engineering services

1702
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,239
specifically surveying and re and and

1703
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:40,159
we've identified we believe as we bring

1704
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,000
that inhouse it's a more cost-effective

1705
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,920
way to actually provide some of those

1706
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,239
services uh will increase sort of our

1707
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:47,920
our

1708
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,159
field work for asset management as well.

1709
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:51,520
And so Deon will speak about that

1710
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,360
further, but that's the bulk of of how

1711
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,239
that was $50,000 that we moved over

1712
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:57,280
because we're going to bring that work

1713
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,400
inhouse, which is much more

1714
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,320
cost-effective for those technical

1715
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,920
services.

1716
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,719
The transfer to departments,

1717
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,639
we just spoke about the transfers to

1718
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:10,800
reserves. Um, what this looks where this

1719
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,320
was changed is in uh 2025

1720
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,480
there was a $900,000

1721
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:21,030
um

1722
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:26,239
reserve commitment and uh we've then

1723
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:27,840
Haley's mentioned this as we're looking

1724
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,440
in our reserve trying to rightsize where

1725
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:30,560
some of these are that make sense

1726
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,000
operationally. So that $900,000

1727
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,400
doesn't sit here uh any any longer, but

1728
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,639
we've right sized on the reserves, but

1729
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:43,040
also we've moved what was sitting in

1730
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,440
technical services, a $500,000 land

1731
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:49,679
reserve. And so it kind of one went down

1732
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:52,000
and we backfilled it. Cole, if you want

1733
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,280
to speak to that more on the reason.

1734
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,110
>> Yeah, we just that I think for yours we

1735
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:55,120
» Yeah, we just that I think for yours we

1736
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,040
moved. So that's the total transfers to

1737
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,360
reserves. the the land the land

1738
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,880
transfers we moved to infrastructure

1739
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,719
did we not it sits in the infrastructure

1740
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:07,040
department now

1741
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,199
so so you're seeing a reduction here by

1742
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:11,440
that amount it's really it's that

1743
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:12,800
doesn't mean the whole budget reflects

1744
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,880
that we've changed that we've moved that

1745
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,239
to another department to keep the

1746
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,080
transfers to reserves more specific to

1747
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,679
public works here and the capital

1748
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:21,600
expenditure piece in the infrastructure

1749
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,199
department so that's really what that

1750
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:24,880
one is and we'll speak to the size and

1751
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,400
scale of those changes in that

1752
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,000
department budget

1753
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,840
The other one you'll note on all of the

1754
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,239
all of the departments I'll present will

1755
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,320
have the same one. The main theme for a

1756
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,320
lot of these is actually realignment as

1757
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,280
we've looked operationally how best to

1758
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,639
um where things should should sit and so

1759
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:45,360
that's where that one lands. U I will

1760
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,080
lump together escalation it costs fleet

1761
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,800
and the budget adjustments as again that

1762
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,560
realignment work that we've done

1763
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,239
internally. Um, and as has been

1764
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,960
mentioned as Justin in the overview

1765
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,920
earlier,

1766
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,480
contingency uh Cole mentioned that

1767
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,880
historically the contingency fund sat

1768
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,120
within the CEO's office and uh so public

1769
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,600
operations will hold that $50,000

1770
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,679
contingency. It really is a break glass.

1771
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:17,199
Unexpected,

1772
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,760
you know, emergencies where we may not

1773
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,600
have time to react or to come back to

1774
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,040
council if we need some additional

1775
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,040
funding to address any issues. So, it

1776
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,760
really is that break glass only.

1777
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,760
And then we got that big red line of uh

1778
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,679
1.8 million. So, this is gravel

1779
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:35,280
crushing. So, let's get into what this

1780
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,440
looks like and how this works. So,

1781
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,840
historically, we have crushed gravel

1782
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,120
every three years. And to meet that um

1783
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,600
payment obligation, we have put money

1784
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,719
aside three years in advance in a

1785
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:50,239
reserve and then we pull that when we do

1786
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:53,280
the crush. And so currently um if you've

1787
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:54,639
been out at the rackis pit we're

1788
01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:56,800
crossing currently that is for our

1789
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,040
expenditure in 2026 which will support

1790
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,480
our 2026 20278 2027 and 2028 graveling

1791
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:08,320
season and that's uh $1.2 million. Now,

1792
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,760
as we do that work, uh we put that out

1793
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,760
to RFP and in that process this year, we

1794
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,639
saw basically three groups of pricing

1795
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:24,239
and uh we were very fortunate with where

1796
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:26,880
we landed at at the the lowest price. It

1797
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,239
was a vendor that we had used

1798
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,400
historically. So, we're very confident

1799
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,040
that low price. Sometimes there's some

1800
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,719
you can be a little bit scary if you

1801
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:36,480
take the lowest price and it there's a

1802
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,320
big gap. You might you might get what

1803
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,719
you pay for there which is poor quality.

1804
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:42,480
Um

1805
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:45,440
but it was this group here, the low end,

1806
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:47,520
there was a middle group and then there

1807
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,400
was a top group. And so as we looked at

1808
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,320
that and we looked to project when we're

1809
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,320
going to crush again in three years,

1810
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,679
what are we going to actually end up

1811
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,920
having to pay and make sure that we put

1812
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,320
enough money in our reserves aside for

1813
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,000
that for the next three years so that

1814
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,520
we're not short or scrambling because

1815
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,360
it's such a a core piece of our

1816
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,239
operations to gravel our roads is uh

1817
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:10,880
that's why you're seeing uh it's a 50%

1818
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,360
increase is what we anticipate. And how

1819
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,560
we got to that number was the bottom

1820
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,159
value of our RFP on the top group. And

1821
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,800
so we may be a little high, but we're

1822
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,199
definitely not the highest. So it's it's

1823
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:28,639
kind of mid-range um and talking to

1824
01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:30,400
other colleagues and and uh

1825
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,760
municipalities within the region um for

1826
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,239
what they're paying. Uh I believe we're

1827
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:39,120
we're on track and confident that that

1828
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,920
will put us uh on par so that we have

1829
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,920
sufficient reserve monies for for a

1830
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,440
gravel crush. So that's where you're

1831
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,320
seeing there's a $1.2 million for the

1832
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,960
actual crush and then a $600,000 reserve

1833
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,679
payment that we will make for the next

1834
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:57,280
three years to crush again in the

1835
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,800
future. But that is a substantial

1836
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,390
increase in cost.

1837
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,159
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, do we have our

1838
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:06,320
own crusher then or do you rent one of

1839
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:07,760
those? Like do

1840
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,350
>> Thank you, uh, councelor SL for the

1841
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:09,360
» Thank you, uh, councelor SL for the

1842
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,440
question. We do not. We do contract out

1843
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,840
crushing services.

1844
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,159
Correct. We do own the pit which is a

1845
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:19,440
substantial savings for us. Um,

1846
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,159
comparatively for the cost of gravel

1847
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,320
after crushing versus if you were to

1848
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,880
purchase gravel from another producer,

1849
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,280
it's substantial savings to do that work

1850
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:36,149
inhouse.

1851
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:38,480
Thank you, Mr. Chair. And yeah, since

1852
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:42,800
we're on gravel, uh, in on some pits,

1853
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,800
uh, you have to put away, uh,

1854
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,320
reclamation.

1855
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,880
Um, I forget what it's called, uh, does

1856
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,560
that show up in any of our financials

1857
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,639
that we've put that away or is are we

1858
01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:53,920
exempt from that somehow?

1859
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,390
>> No. Yeah. Uh, thank you, uh, councelor

1860
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:56,400
» No. Yeah. Uh, thank you, uh, councelor

1861
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,199
Vaness, you're correct. We do have to uh

1862
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:00,800
have some funding put aside for

1863
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,960
reclamation activities. I believe it was

1864
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,800
in the reserve. We could pull that up. I

1865
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,760
think it's around $60,000 or 50 or

1866
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,639
$60,000 that we do have aside right now

1867
01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:13,280
in the reserves. And we we do ongoing

1868
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,000
management of our pits. Uh Graeme White

1869
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,000
who's uh our manager on the technical

1870
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,719
services uh is fantastic with

1871
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:22,320
maintaining our compliance with pit

1872
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,080
management. there's a lot of regulations

1873
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,760
and so we do work um every year on our

1874
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:34,629
pits to maintain. So thank you.

1875
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:37,679
Yeah, just in regards to that, I think

1876
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:39,679
if I'm not mistaken, I've been involved

1877
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:41,679
in previous conversations where all of

1878
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:44,800
our assets actually we have we have to

1879
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,159
set aside reserve funds for for retiring

1880
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:50,239
those including like our landfills, the

1881
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:53,520
building, um any any of in all of that

1882
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,440
is that that would be accurate if I'm

1883
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:56,320
not mistaken. Right.

1884
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,229
>> I can't speak to all of our assets, but

1885
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:58,239
» I can't speak to all of our assets, but

1886
01:28:58,239 --> 01:28:59,760
I can speak to one that you mentioned.

1887
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,360
We do have an asset retirement

1888
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,440
obligation for like the landfills, the

1889
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:07,199
waste transfer sites um with reclamation

1890
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:09,040
activities related to that and we do

1891
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,000
hold reserves um keeping in mind of when

1892
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,600
you have to turn those back or when

1893
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,639
those assets are retired. So we're and

1894
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:18,960
that we review on a regular basis

1895
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,719
because uh regulations change and so

1896
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:25,120
sometimes those regulation changes could

1897
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,520
incur additional expenses that right now

1898
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,520
are may not be planned for entirely.

1899
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,030
>> Perfect. Thanks. I know it wasn't really

1900
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:33,040
» Perfect. Thanks. I know it wasn't really

1901
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,040
on topic

1902
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,870
not worth mentioning.

1903
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,719
» Thank you. So this going back to the

1904
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:42,719
reclamation of the pit. Yes. ask you put

1905
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:46,080
aside 60,000 every year or because

1906
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,000
60,000 seems fairly low to reclaim

1907
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,520
something like that size.

1908
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,270
>> Thank Yeah, thank you councelor Hickeyi.

1909
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:53,280
» Thank Yeah, thank you councelor Hickeyi.

1910
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,239
We do not the $60,000 and that I

1911
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:58,000
reference is what currently sits in that

1912
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,880
reserve and uh we review that on a

1913
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,600
regular basis based on what we believe

1914
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,880
the cost of reclamation would be. And so

1915
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,560
there's no additional contributions

1916
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:13,189
planned at this time.

1917
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,639
Um so during the year end process which

1918
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:19,600
uh involves our audit review they we

1919
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,360
have to look at all of our future

1920
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,280
obligations like if uh a landfill or a

1921
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,360
as an example or in this case a gravel

1922
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,760
pit and so we review what the future

1923
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,400
obligation will be of that asset and it

1924
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,639
is adjusted for in each year end and

1925
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:36,480
reviewed as well. So there's there's a

1926
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:39,440
lot of you know we obviously rely on our

1927
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:41,199
subject matter experts to help us kind

1928
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:44,480
of understand what that end uh end

1929
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,560
requirement or obligation will be. So

1930
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,400
that's reviewed regularly as part of

1931
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,239
that process and we adjust in our

1932
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:51,600
financial statements to show those

1933
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,110
obligations.

1934
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,159
So then to maybe on Lauren's point just

1935
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,880
asking like the what the actual cost the

1936
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,239
estimated cost might be at the end of

1937
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,480
life of that pit to reclaim it. Then are

1938
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:06,239
you suggesting then that like that work

1939
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:08,159
that Graham is doing in in the interimm

1940
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,400
is to to help mitigate those that big

1941
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,000
spike at the end. Is that the idea or is

1942
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,400
is that 50 to 60 what you feel

1943
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,239
comfortable would be the cost or I'm

1944
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,000
assuming there's a correlation there.

1945
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,189
>> Yeah thank you uh brief Campbell. So, we

1946
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:21,199
» Yeah thank you uh brief Campbell. So, we

1947
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,880
believe where we're at right now because

1948
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,679
we do review our aerial obligations

1949
01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:28,719
annually that the that the $60,000 would

1950
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:31,199
cover those costs if we were to divest

1951
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:34,800
of that pit. Uh there's twofold to that

1952
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,159
question as well to answering your

1953
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:38,719
question is there are regular there are

1954
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:41,360
annual regulatory requirements with our

1955
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,199
pit maintenance and management that we

1956
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,040
conduct in house and perform and and

1957
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,360
Graeme keeps us on track with that and

1958
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,600
compliant. Uh we've had success with

1959
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,480
closing other pits in the county uh when

1960
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,280
they've been reclaimed and

1961
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,639
they look amazing. So I'm very confident

1962
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:00,320
where we're at with our current dollar

1963
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,040
value as well as uh procedurally that we

1964
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,800
can execute that properly when the time

1965
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:10,149
comes for the county.

1966
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:13,840
Okay, I'd like to uh move to the next uh

1967
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,639
line. So highlighted as fall dust

1968
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,280
control alluded to that one earlier

1969
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,719
under additional sales. The $300,000

1970
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:24,480
that's represented here would be the

1971
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:28,880
cost for the actual product. So MG30 is

1972
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,960
where we have currently have a contract.

1973
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,880
I maybe I should mention that that in

1974
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:37,520
2025 we did go uh we did submit an RFP

1975
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,600
which has not been done historically for

1976
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,080
products like this uh by the county and

1977
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,480
we're successful. We're very happy with

1978
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:47,280
with that because it actually lowered uh

1979
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:51,679
our cost from our 2024 cost for 2025.

1980
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:53,840
It's a three-year contract 2026 and

1981
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,040
2027. Um I know we're only talking cents

1982
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,639
per liter, but when you're using

1983
01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:00,400
millions of liters, it does add up and

1984
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,480
and we're happy that we're able to do

1985
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,960
that and we'll roll that forward. Now,

1986
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,760
with that said, the estimate here of

1987
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,360
$300,000,

1988
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,679
this is the assumption uh based on

1989
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:13,199
talking to other jurisdictions that

1990
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:15,040
offer a second application or a fall

1991
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,960
application for dust suppression that

1992
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,320
60% of current residents who

1993
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,159
have a first who pay for a first

1994
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,480
application would also pay for a second

1995
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:26,560
application. So, that's where the

1996
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,159
300,000 uh comes from. And it is a best

1997
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:33,280
guess. uh our our neighbor to the east

1998
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,159
of us, the MD of Taver, has offered a uh

1999
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:37,600
that level of service with second

2000
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,840
application and their uptake is 60 to

2001
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,679
70% of those that get a first

2002
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:44,400
application also pay for a a second

2003
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,080
application. So from a planning

2004
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,480
perspective, that's where we landed to

2005
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:53,120
bring that in here. of note on that is

2006
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,360
we would not expense uh we wouldn't

2007
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,120
purchase that product unless it's

2008
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,080
actually that service is purchased by

2009
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,000
end users. So on on that end if council

2010
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,239
did not decide to change the level of

2011
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,400
service and offer a fall application it

2012
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,960
actually wouldn't have uh direct impacts

2013
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,360
to our overall budget. Um the only

2014
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,760
impact would be is the opportunity cost

2015
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:19,199
with our crews. Uh doing uh dust

2016
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,679
suppression for what we're looking at

2017
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:24,960
now is probably 10 operational days for

2018
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,199
the spring and 10 operational days for

2019
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:29,679
the fall. So

2020
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:31,600
that aligns with where we've been

2021
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:36,629
historically as well.

2022
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:39,679
» Mr. Sure. Um

2023
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,560
I'm assuming that if we if we opted to

2024
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,800
change the level of service on that and

2025
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,199
and approved this and we didn't get the

2026
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:49,280
uptake, this is product that is

2027
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,120
something that could sit over the winter

2028
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,520
and be utilized in the spring if if we

2029
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:54,960
didn't utilize all of it.

2030
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:56,550
>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Kervis, for

2031
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:56,560
» Okay. Thank you, Councelor Kervis, for

2032
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,239
your question. We would not purchase the

2033
01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:01,120
product and no, we cannot store uh MG30

2034
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,679
over the winter. It's not something that

2035
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,080
we we have a contracted rate. We buy it

2036
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,600
by truck. Uh the truckloads are 35,000

2037
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,920
liters per truck and it is a real time

2038
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,400
delivery and and use. We store very

2039
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:17,840
little of it and definitely not over

2040
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:18,239
winter.

2041
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:20,070
>> Okay. So we would only expand what we

2042
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:20,080
» Okay. So we would only expand what we

2043
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:20,639
needed.

2044
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:22,310
>> That is correct. That is correct. And we

2045
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:22,320
» That is correct. That is correct. And we

2046
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,719
don't have with our RFB we have some

2047
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:27,600
volume metrics of uh based on our

2048
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,320
historical use of the product. But there

2049
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:33,120
would be no risk of

2050
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,600
um us not

2051
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:41,590
using this volume of MG30 at all.

2052
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,719
» Yeah. So, well, the entire obviously

2053
01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:46,719
budget is councils and the level of

2054
01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:50,000
service. This is a I think this is a a

2055
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,840
bigger decision than just saying, hey,

2056
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,040
it's an in-n-out. There's not a

2057
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,800
budgetary impact from an opportunity

2058
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,880
cost. I know council knows this, but I

2059
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,560
think it I would be remiss not saying

2060
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,040
it. Um, one of the biggest complaints we

2061
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,320
get is around our dust suppression

2062
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,280
program to the point where I it's an

2063
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,199
expectation challenge and it's a

2064
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:10,239
constant tug-of-war for us and for

2065
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:13,120
operations where it's almost on one hand

2066
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:14,560
the assumption is is that dust

2067
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,639
suppression is dust elimination without

2068
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:18,400
the recognizing you know without

2069
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,480
recognizing that there are factors

2070
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:23,040
outside of our control inclement weather

2071
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,920
rainfall um and then the intensity of

2072
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,920
those operations. There's differences in

2073
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,520
dust suppression between the hall roads

2074
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,280
and the gravel roads and how we treat

2075
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,320
and maintain those. And so, you know, a

2076
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:35,199
lot of people that get the dust

2077
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:37,199
suppression, they're fine with the road

2078
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:39,040
deteriorating to a point. And and the

2079
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,239
feedback we get as well, they drive

2080
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,400
slower if if the roads beat up. And

2081
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,080
we've been reluctant until the last few

2082
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,560
years until Brian and and I I have to

2083
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,000
commend him because it's not the popular

2084
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,000
thing, but it is the right thing to say

2085
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,760
that road condition is deteriorated to a

2086
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,440
point it needs to be maintained. We are

2087
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:55,679
grading through this. We are grading

2088
01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,119
through this road. we are making sure

2089
01:36:57,119 --> 01:36:58,400
that they meet our standards and our

2090
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,480
level of service. Um versus grading

2091
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,320
here, lifting your blade, stopping and

2092
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,119
then grading 200 meters down down the

2093
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:06,800
line and then leaving that section. And

2094
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,960
so I think we've really struggled with

2095
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,520
what to bring forward to council for a

2096
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,679
couple reasons because I go back and

2097
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:15,360
forth between get rid of the program,

2098
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,679
nobody likes the program, then then

2099
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:19,679
don't do it at all and the opportunity

2100
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:20,960
cost for us to go and maintain those

2101
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,119
roads is significantly greater. I don't

2102
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:26,239
think that's the right answer per se.

2103
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:27,520
Um, but if we're going to keep the

2104
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,840
program, we also are going to have to

2105
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,760
maintain those sections and there's an

2106
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,080
expectation and we'll be very clear.

2107
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:35,440
Your road might get graded through, your

2108
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:36,719
dust suppression might get graded

2109
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:38,080
through. Now, multi-year applications

2110
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,840
have proven to hold up with that

2111
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,920
maintenance activity, but I think this

2112
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,920
is something that we need to this is

2113
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,520
this is one of the key decisions in this

2114
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,119
budget for council to decide on what

2115
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:48,560
they want that level of service to be

2116
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:49,760
because I think it is an inflection

2117
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,440
point of how we're going to set those

2118
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:52,560
expectations and how we're going to

2119
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:53,760
proceed. Is that fair, Ryan?

2120
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,990
>> Yeah, I I appreciate that.

2121
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:56,000
» Yeah, I I appreciate that.

2122
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,550
>> I might add as well, so in the 2025

2123
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:58,560
» I might add as well, so in the 2025

2124
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,520
season, as part of our RFP, we had asked

2125
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,000
vendors to propose other uh dust

2126
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,600
suppression products. And so we did

2127
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,440
trial one product. It was an oilbased

2128
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,560
product and it did not perform any

2129
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,760
better than what we currently use with

2130
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,000
the MG30, but it was four times the

2131
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,360
cost. And so in addition to that trial,

2132
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,360
we also did a compaction study. So we're

2133
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:25,280
looking at um how compaction relates to

2134
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:29,760
the overall efficacy of MG30 over time.

2135
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,400
And again, the results of that as well

2136
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,718
showed that compaction at the highest

2137
01:38:34,718 --> 01:38:37,679
[snorts] point had nominal additional

2138
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:42,320
benefit. And so based on those uh bas

2139
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,239
based on the compaction studies, we're

2140
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:46,000
looking that we're going to change how

2141
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:49,199
we actually put our application for MJ30

2142
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:51,360
as well. And there's some operational

2143
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,320
cost savings uh in in doing that. We're

2144
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,119
looking as well for that for our 2026

2145
01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:58,719
season which will also make us more

2146
01:38:58,719 --> 01:39:00,560
efficient for the application.

2147
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,270
>> Ryan, on on that note, I assume you're

2148
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:03,280
» Ryan, on on that note, I assume you're

2149
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:04,639
talking about packing,

2150
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:05,510
>> correct?

2151
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:05,520
» correct?

2152
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:09,270
>> So, when you say um the overall quality,

2153
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:09,280
» So, when you say um the overall quality,

2154
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,440
are you talking about the uh condition

2155
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,159
of the road or the ability to suppress

2156
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:15,760
dust or is there a correlation there?

2157
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,679
Like if the road was packed, is there a

2158
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:20,159
maybe a a surface quality enhancement

2159
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:21,840
but maybe not a dust control enhancement

2160
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,119
or how would you Yeah.

2161
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:23,990
>> How would you frame that?

2162
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:24,000
» How would you frame that?

2163
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,350
>> Yeah, thank you Ree Camp for the

2164
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:25,360
» Yeah, thank you Ree Camp for the

2165
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,159
question. So it is it is twofold. Uh

2166
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:29,840
Devon can jump in any time on this as

2167
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,080
well because he him and his team managed

2168
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,719
with the engineering. So we had a third

2169
01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:38,000
party uh do the compaction studies. Um

2170
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,320
the drivability certainly is improved

2171
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,520
with compaction, but the sustainability

2172
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,960
of that drivability is nominal compared

2173
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,920
to if you were to just compact the or

2174
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,719
have it uh traffic packed uh over time

2175
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:54,400
in those sections. From a dust

2176
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,000
suppression, there is little to no

2177
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,560
difference if we pack it versus if we

2178
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,679
don't at the time of application. What

2179
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:06,800
we saw from the compaction study, the

2180
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,080
biggest value is if you have residual

2181
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:13,360
already in the road of MG30, those areas

2182
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,960
hold up the best for both drivability

2183
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,360
as well as a dust suppression. Devon,

2184
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,600
anything more to add on that?

2185
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,350
>> No, I think you uh described it well,

2186
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:23,360
» No, I think you uh described it well,

2187
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:24,759
Ryan. I think with the pardon

2188
01:40:24,759 --> 01:40:25,840
[clears throat] me with the test section

2189
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,639
that we did um there was really a

2190
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:30,480
negligible difference between compacted

2191
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:31,964
and uncompacted

2192
01:40:31,964 --> 01:40:32,880
[clears throat and cough] excuse me and

2193
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,199
a strategy that we do on site is when

2194
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:37,920
those loaded MG30 trucks are coming down

2195
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,920
those sections we'll stagger them as

2196
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,360
they come down those completed sections

2197
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,280
to provide that little bit of compaction

2198
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,600
and get it to a state where it is a nice

2199
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,159
smooth surface. Um but what we saw we

2200
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:50,320
did we did three section one was 100%

2201
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,000
compaction one was half and one was zero

2202
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,239
and performance-wise there was no there

2203
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:56,239
was very very little difference if no

2204
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,159
difference at all um I believe other

2205
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:00,400
municipalities do not do compaction

2206
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,280
either and they found uh success in in

2207
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:09,669
uh doing it that way

2208
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:11,440
» so like as Cole mentioned this would be

2209
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:14,480
the one decision point for council um

2210
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:19,040
with this uh change above service.

2211
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,350
>> Ryan, may I also Yeah. On I know we've

2212
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:21,360
» Ryan, may I also Yeah. On I know we've

2213
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,679
talked in the past about this being a a

2214
01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:26,080
subsidized program. I think that's a bit

2215
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,320
of a loaded term. Could you maybe speak

2216
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,400
to that a little bit and just how that's

2217
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,119
been approached and if there is I I

2218
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:34,080
would like to have that discussion

2219
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,360
anyways how we move forward. I think

2220
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,840
that the second application is part of

2221
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,280
the discussion, but I also think how we

2222
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:42,080
approach that from a funding.

2223
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,950
>> I'm I uh Thank you.

2224
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:44,960
» I'm I uh Thank you.

2225
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,189
>> You're wrong. Reed Campbell for that

2226
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:47,199
» You're wrong. Reed Campbell for that

2227
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:50,709
question.

2228
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:52,880
I I would I would recommend that we move

2229
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,199
to a closed session

2230
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:58,719
under inter municipal relations section

2231
01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:03,350
26.

2232
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,600
I don't know if there's I mean we can

2233
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,440
talk about the

2234
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,280
um maybe before we do that I think the

2235
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:13,199
one thing that we will um I how we've

2236
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:14,239
collected revenue and how we've

2237
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:15,760
accounted for it has been challenging

2238
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,560
and I think the percentage anchor has

2239
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,960
been um somewhat misleading to say it's

2240
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,960
50/50 but what we have not accounted for

2241
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:27,199
are the the equipment the salaries so we

2242
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:30,239
look at the the cost of the MG30 which

2243
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:31,440
is part of it and so I know we've looked

2244
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,119
across jurisdictions and That's probably

2245
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:34,719
what Brian wants to talk about here and

2246
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:36,400
we can move into that on how they've

2247
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,320
approached that. But I think for the

2248
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:41,760
public section of this, it is it is

2249
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,520
subsidized but probably not to the

2250
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:45,760
degree that we've historically thought.

2251
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,280
However, we haven't broken out some of

2252
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:48,800
those numbers because it's not how we do

2253
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,719
our budgeting. So to know what some of

2254
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:52,080
those labor hours are, what the

2255
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,440
equipment costs are, what that piece is.

2256
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:57,280
And then the secondary conversation to

2257
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,600
that is the opportunity cost. If that's

2258
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,600
20 days of teams applying dust

2259
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,480
suppression, that is 20 days of us not

2260
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:05,679
doing something else. And so I think

2261
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,080
that that's the secondary point to the

2262
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,560
subsidy piece. But um I know that Ryan's

2263
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:11,760
done a lot of research on this, talked

2264
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,119
to other jurisdictions on how they've

2265
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,679
approached it. And and with that being

2266
01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:17,360
their business, that probably is a

2267
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:25,830
conversation for close session.

2268
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,000
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah. Um, I think

2269
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000
we should uh really get to the the bones

2270
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,760
of this. So, motion to move to close

2271
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,600
session. Thank you, Eric. Eric, move to

2272
01:43:35,600 --> 01:55:47,990
move into a close

2273
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,199
yours, right?

2274
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:52,950
>> So, any further discussions on

2275
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:52,960
» So, any further discussions on

2276
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,639
uh level of service change for uh second

2277
01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:58,800
application for dust suppression within

2278
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,470
the county?

2279
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:03,840
Go ahead.

2280
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,470
>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, yes, uh,

2281
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:06,480
» Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, yes, uh,

2282
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,000
discussion on a second second

2283
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,119
application. This is a new concept and,

2284
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:12,960
uh, I'd like it to be fleshed out a

2285
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,000
little bit of what it would look like

2286
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,560
for us to go ahead with that.

2287
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,950
>> Okay. Thank you, councelor, for your

2288
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:18,960
» Okay. Thank you, councelor, for your

2289
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,520
question. I I'm not sure if it's a new

2290
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:24,000
concept for the county. I'd have to

2291
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,480
defer to Devon if the county has done

2292
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,159
this in the past. I don't believe so.

2293
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:33,910
>> So, Uh I'm not sure what year we we

2294
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:33,920
» So, Uh I'm not sure what year we we

2295
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,440
switched to one application. Maybe

2296
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:36,800
councelor Hickeyi would recall, but we

2297
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:38,880
did do two applications quite a few

2298
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,040
years ago and then um moved to that

2299
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,800
single application. I don't have the

2300
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:45,119
background as to why that occurred. Um

2301
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:46,880
but I do know when I started at the

2302
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:48,080
county there was two there was a spring

2303
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:50,080
and a fall application and perhaps

2304
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:51,280
councelor Hickeyi may have more

2305
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:52,159
information on that.

2306
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,390
>> I I don't I don't think it was a fall.

2307
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:54,400
» I I don't I don't think it was a fall.

2308
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,040
Like if you got it in say May, they

2309
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,360
would come back in July and top it up.

2310
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,040
like you got two leaders to start and

2311
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:04,480
you got another leader in July because

2312
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,040
it wasn't quite up to par. But I I don't

2313
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:08,560
remember them doing anything in the

2314
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,239
fall.

2315
01:57:10,239 --> 01:57:12,719
So maybe I need to clarify in when I say

2316
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:14,400
the fall, what we would look at

2317
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,480
targeting to mirror other jurisdictions

2318
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,960
that do have a second application would

2319
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,760
be probably about middle to end of

2320
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,440
August so that you can really hit the

2321
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:26,320
harvest uh to try to get the greatest

2322
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:27,760
value out of actually having a dust

2323
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,159
suppression application.

2324
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:33,199
So what you end up with is your spring

2325
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,920
application.

2326
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:39,440
If we were to get 90 days of good dust

2327
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,520
suppression out of the product, you've

2328
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,679
won the lottery. You're doing very well

2329
01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:45,360
because the product is not designed for

2330
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:47,920
heavy hauling. And we could apply the

2331
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:49,520
product and you could do a manure hall

2332
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:52,239
two days later and it is completely

2333
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:55,520
gone. It is beat right out of the road.

2334
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,239
Um, so we would look at basically three

2335
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:00,639
months windows where we do our initial

2336
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:03,840
application in May and then circle back

2337
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:05,840
basically three months later in August

2338
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:09,040
to do the fall or the August application

2339
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:11,119
and try to get through that harvest

2340
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:13,840
season. So it really mirrors your busy

2341
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:16,480
spring season for some producers and

2342
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,360
then tries to balance with what they're

2343
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,239
looking for from a a service delivery

2344
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:28,950
for harvest and silage.

2345
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,599
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, so basically,

2346
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:33,520
if we decided to move forward with this,

2347
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:36,159
this would still be based on a voluntary

2348
01:58:36,159 --> 01:58:39,280
um program where anybody that wanted to

2349
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,080
sign up to it, they could sign up to one

2350
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,960
application or two applications. Uh,

2351
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:46,560
would they be able to just sign up to a

2352
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:49,679
fall application if they chose or I

2353
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:51,040
guess that's probably getting into too

2354
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:52,239
much detail. Well, I don't need to know

2355
01:58:52,239 --> 01:58:54,560
that. Never mind.

2356
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,199
But it would be fully voluntary then,

2357
01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:57,440
right?

2358
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,030
>> That that is correct, Councelor Kervis.

2359
01:58:59,030 --> 01:58:59,040
» That that is correct, Councelor Kervis.

2360
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,679
This is this is a user pay service that

2361
01:59:01,679 --> 01:59:04,719
the county provides uh for

2362
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:08,790
residents.

2363
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,920
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh my chief

2364
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,080
complaints come in is it's either it's

2365
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:17,599
too late. Spring or spring early summer

2366
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:19,599
silaging is already happening. So if you

2367
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:21,840
can if we can target that May, getting

2368
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,239
it all done in May. Um that would make a

2369
01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:26,800
lot of people really happy uh because by

2370
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,040
mid to end of June there's silitine

2371
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:32,159
happening. Um and then yeah second

2372
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:35,920
application I I think that already early

2373
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,119
August from our area we could start to

2374
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:42,320
see a great need for it by then as well.

2375
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:45,920
Um, I'd like to see as council to see if

2376
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:47,440
we're

2377
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,280
or I guess more if you would put the

2378
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,920
proposal out there what a second

2379
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,080
application if we're going to be having

2380
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,599
to up our price or if it's something we

2381
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,760
could look at including it as a

2382
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,960
increased um

2383
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,040
level of service for our our rate

2384
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:04,560
payers.

2385
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:06,790
>> Okay.

2386
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:06,800
» Okay.

2387
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:08,629
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe

2388
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:08,639
» Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe

2389
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:10,800
through the chair to councelor Vaness. I

2390
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:12,239
just need to clarify that question. Are

2391
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:15,040
you So, we do have to make the decision

2392
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,040
now because the applications need to

2393
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:18,639
account for that for securing material

2394
02:00:18,639 --> 02:00:21,119
costs. We need to update the forms for

2395
02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:22,880
purchasing so we can get those quantity

2396
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:26,239
volumes here in the new year. Are you is

2397
02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:28,000
your question and and request for a

2398
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:30,480
proposal in subsidizing the second

2399
02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:33,679
application or is it like what what

2400
02:00:33,679 --> 02:00:35,199
specifically information are you looking

2401
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:37,760
for as part of that program?

2402
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:41,430
>> Yeah, thank you there. Um,

2403
02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:41,440
» Yeah, thank you there. Um,

2404
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,560
I think we our second application is a

2405
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,560
is a lighter amount typically

2406
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:49,760
historically. Uh, I'd like to see what

2407
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,639
it would take for us to include it as in

2408
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:54,960
included level of service as a second

2409
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:56,719
application more or less like

2410
02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:59,040
historically what we used to do that uh,

2411
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:03,360
hey, it's two applications. The rate of

2412
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:06,000
unhappy residents with it, as we

2413
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:07,440
mentioned earlier, it's our biggest

2414
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:09,920
complaint. Um, I think we got one kick

2415
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:13,520
at making this better or I'm I'm

2416
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:15,119
prepared to move towards like

2417
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:16,800
discontinuing

2418
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,440
uh just the amount of problems with it

2419
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,440
or problems. That's a stretch. Uh

2420
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:24,320
complaints. Um yes, we can talk about

2421
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:26,159
expectation that it's suppression. It's

2422
02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:30,000
not um gone. But long story short, I'd

2423
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,639
like to see if it's possible in our

2424
02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:35,199
budget to include the second application

2425
02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:39,030
in their purchase price.

2426
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,119
And that's up for council to chat about

2427
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:41,920
as well.

2428
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,910
>> We can maybe what we're we put that as a

2429
02:01:43,910 --> 02:01:43,920
» We can maybe what we're we put that as a

2430
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:46,239
parking lot item um on the board can

2431
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:48,159
have Haley look and pull what that total

2432
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:51,360
is. But my initial assumption is that's

2433
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,199
a seven figure ask. So anything's

2434
02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:54,800
possible whatever council wants to do,

2435
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:55,920
but that's not going to be a small

2436
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:56,960
number. But we'll pull what that total

2437
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:00,239
dust suppression program is. And I think

2438
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:01,440
we can make some general assumptions

2439
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:03,119
right now to quantify that to even say

2440
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:07,040
is that a 67% of cost of that between

2441
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:08,960
what we're spending today if if we're

2442
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:10,239
saying that's truly included in that

2443
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:11,679
original purchase price. But we'll pull

2444
02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:12,960
that information and come back to it.

2445
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:14,239
Does that work?

2446
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:21,350
>> Thank you,

2447
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:22,320
» Ryan.

2448
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:24,239
So what's what is the number that is in

2449
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:26,560
the budget right now and the the budget

2450
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:27,679
change

2451
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:30,149
>> is are we then

2452
02:02:30,149 --> 02:02:30,159
» is are we then

2453
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:31,589
>> I guess on Eric's question are we

2454
02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:31,599
» I guess on Eric's question are we

2455
02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:35,040
assuming that if application our current

2456
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:37,840
practice of one application is X moving

2457
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,599
forward it would be the cost would be 2X

2458
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:41,119
then is that what we're what are we

2459
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:42,320
proposing right now I'm a little

2460
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:43,280
confused sorry

2461
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:44,950
>> yeah so the second application would be

2462
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:44,960
» yeah so the second application would be

2463
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,280
fully paid for by the resident so this

2464
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:48,880
waterfall shows the expenditure side on

2465
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,760
the 300,000 but we the assumption is

2466
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:53,440
that we're collecting whatever that

2467
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:55,199
amount is because this is assuming that

2468
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:57,360
that's 300,000. It could be five, it

2469
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:00,639
could be two. Um, but we need to know if

2470
02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:03,199
we're offering it. Whatever it is, they

2471
02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:04,400
would be paying for that second

2472
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,480
application. So, changing the number the

2473
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:08,320
way the budget's presented does not

2474
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:11,760
change the tax support in this proposal

2475
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,920
based on councelor Van Essen's

2476
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,629
>> request that that would in turn take the

2477
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:16,639
» request that that would in turn take the

2478
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:18,080
revenue side off of that and then that

2479
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:19,280
would be a different conversation.

2480
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:23,430
>> Yeah. What the 300,000 represents is if

2481
02:03:23,430 --> 02:03:23,440
» Yeah. What the 300,000 represents is if

2482
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:26,560
60% of current

2483
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,560
uh individuals that have a first

2484
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:31,360
application were to choose to pay for a

2485
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:33,679
second application. It was an estimate

2486
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:35,840
based on numbers from the NDA table

2487
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:37,520
where they have 60 to 70% of their

2488
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:40,320
residents that do uh purchase uh a

2489
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:42,560
second application. But yeah, this was

2490
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,440
very much uh a pay as you play is my

2491
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:47,599
original proposal.

2492
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:49,109
>> Thank you. So what do you think the

2493
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:49,119
» Thank you. So what do you think the

2494
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:51,199
demand would be? Do you think that half

2495
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:53,199
the people who have it done now would

2496
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:56,080
want a fall application or you got any

2497
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,520
idea?

2498
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,669
>> 60% Lauren is is what that number

2499
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:59,679
» 60% Lauren is is what that number

2500
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:01,360
represents. 6.

2501
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:01,669
>> Okay.

2502
02:04:01,669 --> 02:04:01,679
» Okay.

2503
02:04:01,679 --> 02:04:03,830
>> So yeah, in the MD of Taber it's 60 to

2504
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:03,840
» So yeah, in the MD of Taber it's 60 to

2505
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:06,320
70% of those who have a first

2506
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:08,080
application

2507
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:11,119
purchase a second application is that's

2508
02:04:11,119 --> 02:04:13,840
been their historical uh uptake from

2509
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,880
residents. So that's what we've No,

2510
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:21,750
that's fine.

2511
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:24,080
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, so would

2512
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:28,800
that be um at the initial time of a

2513
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:30,800
person doing an application for it then

2514
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,560
to make the request for a second

2515
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:35,119
application or would that be a separate?

2516
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:36,229
>> We would have to because we have to

2517
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:36,239
» We would have to because we have to

2518
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:37,920
secure the material.

2519
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:41,350
>> Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you,

2520
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:41,360
» Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you,

2521
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:43,599
Council Ac. What we would do is we'd

2522
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:45,280
we'd open it up, but it would be a

2523
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:48,639
separate application for a fall.

2524
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:50,239
You'd you'd apply for it just like you

2525
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:51,760
apply for the first one. You'd apply for

2526
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,000
a second and upon receiving payment,

2527
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:55,840
then we would schedule that in and do

2528
02:04:55,840 --> 02:05:01,109
the work.

2529
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:04,400
So, there's some assumptions

2530
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:05,920
built into this because I think if we

2531
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:07,360
were offering a second application, I

2532
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,199
could see a greater degree of resident

2533
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:11,040
uptake because the value obviously would

2534
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:12,639
be there if it was subsidized. uh be

2535
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,080
different value proposition. We spent

2536
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:17,119
about 500,000 last year um just shy of

2537
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:20,000
500,000 just on the resident um

2538
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:24,159
residential portion of that dust control

2539
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:26,560
uh application. That doesn't count a

2540
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:28,560
second application on any of our general

2541
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:30,400
county, which I think would also be a

2542
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:31,599
consideration if we're doing that and

2543
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:32,800
saying, "Hey, we're doing it here to do

2544
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:35,520
it there." That's another 400,000. So,

2545
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:38,080
it would be somewhere it would be about

2546
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:41,840
500,000 to to include that plus and I

2547
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:42,960
because again I think we would have a

2548
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:45,599
higher uptake probably um if we were

2549
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:52,070
doing a second application.

2550
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:54,400
Yeah. So certainly we can go back we'll

2551
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:55,760
reook at what that would look like in

2552
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:58,560
terms of costing and and rework all

2553
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,159
those numbers. We do have the data. We

2554
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:02,320
can use the historical data to

2555
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:04,159
re-engineer what the projections would

2556
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:06,480
be with some assumptions that we fully

2557
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:08,880
disclose.

2558
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,990
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, would that

2559
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:12,000
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, would that

2560
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,360
then in turn take another, let's say, 20

2561
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:18,480
days of your guys's manpower to have to

2562
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:20,400
go do this all again? Well, do you have

2563
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:22,159
the time? Do they have the time for

2564
02:06:22,159 --> 02:06:23,520
that?

2565
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,589
>> Yeah. So,

2566
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:25,599
» Yeah. So,

2567
02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:27,360
thank you, Councelor Slump, for that

2568
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,040
question. in terms of opportunity costs

2569
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:32,639
and and crew structure. So with uh the

2570
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,480
work we did with our compaction trial,

2571
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:37,520
we are looking to change um our our

2572
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:39,280
layown. It's called a we would do it as

2573
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:41,520
a top shot. We'd actually incorporate

2574
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,079
our divisional graders that are already

2575
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:46,560
in certain in in geographic areas within

2576
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:49,599
the county and uh through that there is

2577
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:53,199
a quite a significant um operational

2578
02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:56,400
cost savings as well as time. Um, so

2579
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,199
I've challenged the team to move from

2580
02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:01,360
what was a 23-day

2581
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:05,280
um, application for the 2025 season to

2582
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:08,880
cut that in half being that we we we

2583
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:11,280
would target 10 days for the spring and

2584
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:14,400
then 10 days for the fall. So would be a

2585
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:18,400
wash. But again, uh if this program

2586
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,880
if it's covered or subsidized in

2587
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:23,360
differently from the county would

2588
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:26,480
probably anticipate greater uptake uh

2589
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,079
which

2590
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:30,639
that we would have to address that um

2591
02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:33,119
based on you know how many linear meters

2592
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:34,639
that we need to apply. So there's

2593
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:36,480
certainly a risk there if there's a

2594
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,560
dramatic up increase of what am I not

2595
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:40,960
now doing because we're doing additional

2596
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:43,119
dust suppression applications throughout

2597
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:46,000
the county.

2598
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:49,109
>> Currently um the actual phys physical

2599
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:49,119
» Currently um the actual phys physical

2600
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:52,960
application of the product is is by a

2601
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:54,400
contractor. Is that correct? It's not

2602
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:56,560
our actual apparatus that is applying

2603
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:59,280
the the product. Is that correct or that

2604
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,360
that is correct? So it's it's it's

2605
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,679
through our RFP. Uh we do have a spray

2606
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:07,280
it's called Kansas Ridge

2607
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:11,280
Kansas Ridge for our spray trucks.

2608
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:14,470
>> It's Kansas Ridge. Yeah, it is it is we

2609
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:14,480
» It's Kansas Ridge. Yeah, it is it is we

2610
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,440
have a rate for the application for the

2611
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,760
top shot that's part of our FP on on the

2612
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:20,320
rate.

2613
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:22,950
>> Does does having having a vendor provide

2614
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:22,960
» Does does having having a vendor provide

2615
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:26,239
that service does it uh is that a

2616
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:28,400
constraint on our ability as to when we

2617
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,960
can apply it? If I think you know where

2618
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:32,560
I'm going, but

2619
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:35,599
If the pro if we were to drastically

2620
02:08:35,599 --> 02:08:37,440
increase the number of miles, does that

2621
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:39,840
have a different discussion on a from a

2622
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,000
capital perspective and are we able to

2623
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,760
administer this program entirely

2624
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,040
internally? And I realize there's

2625
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:46,960
obviously a huge budget impact to that,

2626
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:48,719
but when I think to Eric's point, when

2627
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:50,880
we talk about time, I think that is one

2628
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:53,119
of my concerns as well is I I see it in

2629
02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:55,520
the spring where it's especially with

2630
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:57,760
weather, we're late. And and I think

2631
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:00,239
August, the last three out of five

2632
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:01,840
years, we've been combining the last

2633
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:03,679
week of July, first week of August. So I

2634
02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:04,719
I know that's not the same for

2635
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:06,000
everywhere, but if we're combining, that

2636
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:07,360
probably means someone else is silaging.

2637
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:09,599
And so I I do have

2638
02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:12,950
>> our ability to get that down timely is

2639
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:12,960
» our ability to get that down timely is

2640
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:15,280
also important. So I I guess Yeah.

2641
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:16,079
Sorry.

2642
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:18,709
>> No, appreciate the the clarification,

2643
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:18,719
» No, appreciate the the clarification,

2644
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:21,360
uh, Reef Campbell. So, we did reach out

2645
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:23,119
and talk to our vendor for the

2646
02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:24,880
application, and they're confident that

2647
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:26,800
they would be able to support us if we

2648
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:29,119
were to proceed with a with a fall

2649
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:30,400
application or whatever we're going to

2650
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:32,639
call that now, if that's the decision in

2651
02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:34,880
council. Um, and because the operational

2652
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:37,760
changes that we're looking to make, we

2653
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:40,639
can we can do a lot more roads, a lot

2654
02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:43,679
more miles. um

2655
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:50,629
in the same period of time.

2656
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:54,960
Okay. All right. We'll move on. Um where

2657
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,599
are we at? Line painting. Uh line

2658
02:09:57,599 --> 02:09:59,920
painting is an activity that uh we do

2659
02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:03,040
every two years. And so you'll see with

2660
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:07,360
a 26 27 28 you'll see and uh in and out

2661
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:10,560
as we do put a reserve um amount uh

2662
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:13,119
aside to do our line painting every two

2663
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:16,000
years. That's the 124 and the 124 and

2664
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:19,520
and 27 and 28. Uh slight increase uh for

2665
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:21,599
those services is that's a a contracted

2666
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:24,960
out service that we we purchase.

2667
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:29,520
Um also of note um

2668
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:33,030
in 2027

2669
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:35,760
yeah uh already spoke about the reserve

2670
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:37,920
differences and that realignment that

2671
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:41,760
we're doing uh as a whole.

2672
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,800
The one that I didn't

2673
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:47,199
speak to already is operating projects.

2674
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:50,719
So in the 2026 the $34,000. And so the

2675
02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:53,280
next slide uh has detail on those

2676
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:54,800
operating projects and we can go over

2677
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:56,880
those in detail if there's no further

2678
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:03,030
questions from this slide.

2679
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:05,199
» So

2680
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:07,520
uh typically operational projects are

2681
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:10,880
you know one time uh same year uh

2682
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:13,920
projects. All of these represented here

2683
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:16,480
are one-time funding requests uh

2684
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:19,280
totaling $34,000 except for the top

2685
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:22,480
line. Uh this line of $120,000.

2686
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:24,480
This is for a deepbased stabilized road

2687
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,239
treatment trial. Uh this would be 2026

2688
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:30,960
would be year one

2689
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:33,520
uh of what I propose as a 5-year trial.

2690
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,239
Uh what deepbased stabilization is is it

2691
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:40,400
is uh goes 6 to 12 inches uh with a

2692
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:42,880
reclaimer. Uh this would be a contracted

2693
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:45,040
service that we're we would work with a

2694
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:46,960
vendor on doing and they come in and

2695
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:49,599
they infuse MG30

2696
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:51,679
uh much deeper than our current process

2697
02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:53,199
with our current mail raiser which is

2698
02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:55,520
only about two or three inches. So,

2699
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:59,520
we've reviewed other roads uh in

2700
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,520
northern Alberta as well as there's a

2701
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:03,599
stretcher road by riding on stone that

2702
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:06,880
they installed uh using this technique 5

2703
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:09,280
years ago and it has dramatically

2704
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:14,320
reduced um ongoing maintenance costs. Um

2705
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:16,159
and so it is something that we believe

2706
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:18,239
is something that we would like to look

2707
02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:21,679
at trially um over the next five years.

2708
02:12:21,679 --> 02:12:23,920
So that's the big that's the big ticket

2709
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,880
item here. Um we've identified some

2710
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:30,239
roads uh that we would do for 2026 and

2711
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:33,599
then for the preceding years.

2712
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:35,679
Just because we do this or invest in

2713
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:38,800
this trial for the first year, it

2714
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:40,320
doesn't mean that we actually know if

2715
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:42,159
this is a proof of concept in year one.

2716
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:44,560
In fact, it's going to be minimum best

2717
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:47,840
case scenario would be three years. And

2718
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:49,679
so that's why I've proposed a fiveyear

2719
02:12:49,679 --> 02:12:51,520
commitment.

2720
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:53,760
um that we invest in this unless unless

2721
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:55,280
after the first year if this is a

2722
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:57,679
complete fail and has no value at all

2723
02:12:57,679 --> 02:12:59,840
then obviously we would not invest but

2724
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:01,920
really we won't know if if it will

2725
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:04,159
reduce our maintenance cost long term

2726
02:13:04,159 --> 02:13:07,119
meaning after 3 years or after five

2727
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:08,960
years until we actually are at that

2728
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:11,840
point and so

2729
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:14,079
any questions there's a there's a whole

2730
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:16,400
I have a whole project proposal on this

2731
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,520
particular um trial

2732
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,669
>> yeah thank you Mr. chair, subject to it

2733
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:21,679
» yeah thank you Mr. chair, subject to it

2734
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:24,000
being successful, what would how many

2735
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,800
years does it have to hold up to have

2736
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:28,079
give us a payback?

2737
02:13:28,079 --> 02:13:30,229
>> Okay, thank you uh councelor Vanessa for

2738
02:13:30,229 --> 02:13:30,239
» Okay, thank you uh councelor Vanessa for

2739
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:32,719
that question. Based on our current cost

2740
02:13:32,719 --> 02:13:35,599
for what we our maintenance cost for a

2741
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:38,239
single mile of hall route priority one

2742
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:41,119
road where we infuse MG30 annually, it

2743
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:47,270
would need to be three years.

2744
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:49,760
» I I nothing is zero maintenance. It's a

2745
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:53,360
gravel road, but significantly reduce

2746
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:55,679
maintenance costs.

2747
02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:57,119
But it would, that's why I said a

2748
02:13:57,119 --> 02:13:59,520
minimum three years to see if this is

2749
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:02,880
something that has greater uh value

2750
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:05,199
added than our current process with with

2751
02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:07,840
our haw routes with the meal raising in

2752
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:11,840
injected roads that we do.

2753
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:12,950
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a

2754
02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:12,960
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a

2755
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:15,119
clarification. And so the $120,000 is

2756
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:17,599
that per year for the next five years or

2757
02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:19,599
is that 120 cover the five years of the

2758
02:14:19,599 --> 02:14:20,000
program?

2759
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:21,990
>> That is Thank you, uh, Councelor Sarah

2760
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:22,000
» That is Thank you, uh, Councelor Sarah

2761
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,320
for that question. And sorry if I it was

2762
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,639
confusing there. That's $120,000 per

2763
02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:29,920
year for five years. So what we're

2764
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:33,119
looking at now is is a $60,000

2765
02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:36,880
a mile is what that works out to. Now, I

2766
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:38,880
am working with uh our neighbors to the

2767
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:42,960
east of us uh that have also done some

2768
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:46,480
roads. Uh county of 40 mile actually has

2769
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:49,599
used this uh quite a bit. Um deep base

2770
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:51,360
stabilization has had a lot of success

2771
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:53,040
with it, but since they've done that,

2772
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,960
they've now paved on top of those roads.

2773
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:56,480
So, I can't really see what their

2774
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:58,000
results were, but they were very happy

2775
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,079
with it, but I haven't seen their

2776
02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:03,520
sections. Um, but I am I'm hoping that

2777
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:05,920
other jurisdictions if we can bundle

2778
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:07,840
more mileage for this vendor when they

2779
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:10,400
come down, there's opportunity to re

2780
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:13,040
reduce the the mobilization costs that

2781
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:14,560
we would incur with only doing a couple

2782
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:17,589
miles.

2783
02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:19,760
» Thank you. So, just out of curiosity,

2784
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,320
what's the difference between defas

2785
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:25,920
stabilization and cement stabilization?

2786
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:28,560
like I is there is there a big

2787
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:30,079
difference or how does it

2788
02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:32,149
>> I'm I'm I'm gonna have Devon jump in

2789
02:15:32,149 --> 02:15:32,159
» I'm I'm I'm gonna have Devon jump in

2790
02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:33,440
because I'm losing my voice and I need

2791
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:35,920
to grab a drink.

2792
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:38,550
>> So great question that that deep base

2793
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:38,560
» So great question that that deep base

2794
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:40,800
stabilization would essentially take a

2795
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:42,400
gravel road or a base stabilized road

2796
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:45,679
and inject that MG30 6 to 12 in down and

2797
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:48,079
stabilize it further than the 4-in

2798
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:50,159
gravel mat we're currently doing. Cement

2799
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:53,199
stabilization is your mixing cement

2800
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:55,440
powder into that 12 inches and it's

2801
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:57,920
creating a much harder and much more

2802
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:00,560
durable surface than you then put that

2803
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:03,440
uh double chip seal on top of which gets

2804
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:05,040
you more to a level of service compared

2805
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:06,639
to a paved road. Not quite there, but

2806
02:16:06,639 --> 02:16:07,840
it's more of a paved road level of

2807
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:09,760
service compared to this uh deep base

2808
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,920
stabilization. um that cement

2809
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:13,840
stabilization has a lot longer life

2810
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:16,960
cycle as well than the uh MG30 base uh

2811
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:19,360
stabilization, but the cost is also

2812
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:22,159
exponentially higher. So um this program

2813
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:24,000
is kind of I would say an in between

2814
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:26,000
between our kind of what Ryan is

2815
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:26,960
currently doing with our base

2816
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:28,239
stabilization and that cement

2817
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:31,119
stabilization standard.

2818
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:33,990
>> Thank you.

2819
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:34,000
» Thank you.

2820
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:36,070
>> Yeah. So, um I think that's actually a

2821
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:36,080
» Yeah. So, um I think that's actually a

2822
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,240
perfect segue to the conversation too

2823
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,160
and and we didn't include this in the

2824
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:41,840
budget because we don't have it fleshed

2825
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:43,599
out enough and I know at is doing some

2826
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:46,000
projects that they've approached us that

2827
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:47,519
may make sense for us to piggyback and

2828
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:48,960
so we've talked about trying to trial

2829
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:50,559
these. We need to do something different

2830
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:52,559
with our base stabilized roads and and

2831
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,920
I'm not an expert but Ryan and Devin and

2832
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:57,920
the teams have been doing a ton of work.

2833
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:00,160
This is and I'm going to steal Ryan's

2834
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,559
language. This is one horse in the race.

2835
02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:04,240
I think cement stabilized is another

2836
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:06,240
horse that we need to put in the race

2837
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:09,040
and we need to start doing this now so

2838
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:10,319
that we can make some of those key

2839
02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:12,559
decisions as we gather more information.

2840
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:14,160
So while it's not in here, something

2841
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:16,240
that we want to put together and work on

2842
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:17,920
um for one of the projects that might

2843
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:20,160
come out of out of those reserves once

2844
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:21,439
we have more information on what that

2845
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:23,519
scope and scale is is doing a trial of

2846
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:25,840
cement stabilization on a similar

2847
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,160
segment of road. All the more reason

2848
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:29,920
that we need like the armadillos in here

2849
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:31,359
for the traffic counts and adding some

2850
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:32,880
of that information so that we can

2851
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:34,880
actually assess the wear and tear on

2852
02:17:34,880 --> 02:17:36,960
these on these investments because

2853
02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:39,200
cement stabilization dev a mile we

2854
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:41,280
estimated was it 600,000

2855
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,429
>> 800 with the chip seal. So, so we're

2856
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:43,439
» 800 with the chip seal. So, so we're

2857
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:47,040
talking 60,000 here versus the 800,000

2858
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:50,479
there, which great, maybe that ROI is

2859
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:52,080
there, but we need to start making some

2860
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:53,519
of these key investments without going

2861
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:54,559
out and saying, "Hey, we're going to do

2862
02:17:54,559 --> 02:17:56,800
a bunch of miles. Let's start doing some

2863
02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:59,280
test, some test sites. Um, do them on

2864
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:00,559
similar segments. We know they're going

2865
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:01,840
to wear and tear. We know weather's

2866
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:03,760
going to be similar." We'll get that

2867
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:06,160
data and and then at least there's more

2868
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:07,519
information for council to make some of

2869
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:12,230
those long-term decisions.

2870
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:13,359
Thank [clears throat] you, Mr. Chair.

2871
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:15,439
So, when you're talking about the the

2872
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:16,880
return on that, and thank you very much

2873
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:18,639
for that, Cole, because that segus right

2874
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:21,760
into what I was going to ask going about

2875
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:26,080
a if it lasts for three years, then then

2876
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:27,920
we've got our return off of it. So, I

2877
02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:29,599
mean, ultimately, what we want to see

2878
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:31,599
this is to last significantly longer

2879
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:33,599
than three years because three years is

2880
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:34,960
kind of like if it's less than three

2881
02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:36,479
years, we've lost money on it. It's

2882
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:39,040
three years, it's a break even point. it

2883
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:43,359
it really the the goal on this is to

2884
02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:45,439
find something that is going to give us

2885
02:18:45,439 --> 02:18:47,760
a return as opposed to just paying us

2886
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:50,880
back for for our efforts. And so if I'm

2887
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:52,639
correct in that assumption then three

2888
02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:55,599
years is kind of the anything past three

2889
02:18:55,599 --> 02:18:57,840
years we're into the gravy then.

2890
02:18:57,840 --> 02:18:59,429
>> Yeah. Thank you councelor Kervis for

2891
02:18:59,429 --> 02:18:59,439
» Yeah. Thank you councelor Kervis for

2892
02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:01,840
your comment. You're correct. That's as

2893
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:03,280
I mentioned earlier the three years

2894
02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:06,000
would be a break even point based on our

2895
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:09,760
current base stabilized um cost to to

2896
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:12,080
maintain those roads. I I do need to

2897
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,880
note that why I've u looking at a

2898
02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:17,040
five-year trial and doing two miles per

2899
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,760
year um because we're going to look at

2900
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:21,840
different types of roads with different

2901
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:25,519
traffic. So for some areas a less

2902
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:29,599
traveled road that may have a um reduced

2903
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:31,679
speed limit on it. It doesn't have

2904
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:33,439
agriculture

2905
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:36,960
um implements that are used on it. I can

2906
02:19:36,960 --> 02:19:39,280
think of a number of those where we're

2907
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:42,080
quite certain that we could get five

2908
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,399
years plus and that would be actually

2909
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:46,639
very good value uh for a dollar in those

2910
02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:48,720
roads. So not all sections of road are

2911
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:50,880
equal but what we don't know is how this

2912
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:54,000
will stand up uh compared to our current

2913
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,240
hall routes um with the high intensity

2914
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:58,080
that we continue to see and that

2915
02:19:58,080 --> 02:19:59,840
intensity will only continue to grow

2916
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:01,920
during the life of this project. And so,

2917
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:04,080
as Cole mentioned, one of the asks here

2918
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:06,399
is also purchasing some additional

2919
02:20:06,399 --> 02:20:08,319
traffic count, automated traffic

2920
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:10,720
counting pieces, which is a a core

2921
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:12,720
element that we build into our asset

2922
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:15,439
management platform, and we can track

2923
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:18,240
and trend year-over-year because that

2924
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:21,840
does dramatic directly tie to uh road

2925
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:26,950
condition and and road views.

2926
02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:30,160
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, in regards to

2927
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:33,040
the stabilization like Cole was saying,

2928
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:35,760
it'd be nice to start seeing that on,

2929
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:37,600
you know, your priority one hall route,

2930
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:39,359
stuff like that. But cuz I know the

2931
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:41,920
stuff that you guys did on old highway

2932
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:45,920
there by no for by the 519 that has done

2933
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:48,319
very good, but it also doesn't get the

2934
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:50,080
traffic that a hall route would, right?

2935
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:51,760
Like the big semis and stuff. I'm just

2936
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:53,680
curious how that would hold up if that

2937
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:54,880
was something that we could start

2938
02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:57,520
looking at doing is doing that cement

2939
02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:59,760
stabilization through the priority ones

2940
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:01,600
because that cut down a lot of cost too

2941
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:05,600
right cost a lot in the beginning but

2942
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:07,429
>> you want to speak to that Deon just the

2943
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:07,439
» you want to speak to that Deon just the

2944
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:08,479
timing [clears throat]

2945
02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:09,120
with that

2946
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:10,710
>> so that's it's absolutely something

2947
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:10,720
» so that's it's absolutely something

2948
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:13,832
we're looking at um we need to establish

2949
02:21:13,832 --> 02:21:15,280
[laughter] uh essentially what our

2950
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:18,080
maintenance requirements are on some of

2951
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:19,760
those roadways that are we're spending

2952
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,319
more time on and does that ROI make ROI

2953
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:24,479
makes sense to go to a cement stabilized

2954
02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:26,640
uh standard. Some cases it may, some

2955
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:28,560
cases it may not. In some cases that

2956
02:21:28,560 --> 02:21:31,200
deep base stabilized standard may be may

2957
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:33,280
be the answer. So um don't have the

2958
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:34,399
answer for you today, but something

2959
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:35,760
we've talked about extensively in

2960
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:37,280
looking at some of those haw routes and

2961
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:39,359
perhaps if that ROI makes sense bringing

2962
02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:40,720
that forward for council's

2963
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:42,399
consideration.

2964
02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:44,950
>> Yeah, thanks Kevin. I think one point is

2965
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:44,960
» Yeah, thanks Kevin. I think one point is

2966
02:21:44,960 --> 02:21:47,600
to be prepared that if we do make an

2967
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:49,760
investment and it doesn't meet our

2968
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:52,640
expectations that we have to be prepared

2969
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:55,120
to call it what it is. If it's a fail,

2970
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:57,520
it's a fail, but we need more horses in

2971
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:00,080
the race. Uh but we need to try

2972
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:01,439
different products that other

2973
02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:03,920
jurisdictions have had success with. We

2974
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:06,399
just don't know in our conditions how

2975
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:07,600
that's going to look and how it's going

2976
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:09,680
to respond. And that's why, like I said,

2977
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:12,399
this is a huge proposal in terms of how

2978
02:22:12,399 --> 02:22:13,840
we're going to measure this, how we're

2979
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:15,680
going to monitor it, and how we track

2980
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:18,319
the data to say, does this make sense?

2981
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:22,080
But this is a like it's it's a five-year

2982
02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:24,399
deal to to really get a sense of where

2983
02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:26,319
we're going to land and and where do we

2984
02:22:26,319 --> 02:22:27,840
get the best bang for our buck long

2985
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,640
term.

2986
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:33,270
>> Thank you. So just a little further on

2987
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:33,280
» Thank you. So just a little further on

2988
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:36,319
this base stabilization project here one

2989
02:22:36,319 --> 02:22:38,960
what would the big difference be between

2990
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:41,600
what we did before when we used the uh

2991
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:43,840
the rotor tilled in the calcium

2992
02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:44,469
>> the bent time

2993
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:44,479
» the bent time

2994
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:47,030
>> is there a deeper base or what do you

2995
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:47,040
» is there a deeper base or what do you

2996
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:49,920
see as the difference and I I know that

2997
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:53,120
we did a study on what we did before I

2998
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:55,280
think the biggest downfall was it wasn't

2999
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:58,160
long enough it was only for two year a

3000
02:22:58,160 --> 02:22:59,439
year year and a half or something like

3001
02:22:59,439 --> 02:23:01,520
that and it didn't all the results it

3002
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:03,760
should have.

3003
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:06,550
>> Maybe I defer to Devon. I I'm I'm

3004
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:06,560
» Maybe I defer to Devon. I I'm I'm

3005
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:07,920
guessing you're referring to the bent

3006
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:10,000
knight, the addition of the bent knight

3007
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:11,120
in those roads

3008
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,670
>> for the hall routes.

3009
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:13,680
» for the hall routes.

3010
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:14,950
>> Yes.

3011
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:14,960
» Yes.

3012
02:23:14,960 --> 02:23:16,309
>> Sorry, councelor Hickey. Can you repeat

3013
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:16,319
» Sorry, councelor Hickey. Can you repeat

3014
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:18,000
your question just so I'm clear?

3015
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:20,389
>> Just a so I'm just wondering how does

3016
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:20,399
» Just a so I'm just wondering how does

3017
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:22,640
this compare to what we did before when

3018
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:25,439
we used the razor to roed hill in the

3019
02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:28,630
>> the bentonite and the pelletized

3020
02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:28,640
» the bentonite and the pelletized

3021
02:23:28,640 --> 02:23:30,710
>> calcium. Yeah. Yeah. So that we applied

3022
02:23:30,710 --> 02:23:30,720
» calcium. Yeah. Yeah. So that we applied

3023
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:34,640
a 4-in um mat of gravel to the top of an

3024
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:36,319
existing gravel road, injected the

3025
02:23:36,319 --> 02:23:39,120
calcium and and added the bentonite to

3026
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:42,160
that 4 in only. What this is proposing

3027
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:46,080
to do is go down up to 12 in and mix all

3028
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:47,359
of that in. So you're taking some of

3029
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:49,040
that underlying soils, mixing in with

3030
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:50,960
that granular that we placed and

3031
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:53,600
injecting that MG30. So it's a deeper

3032
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:55,439
treatment than previously and it's

3033
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:57,760
incorporating some clay into it as well.

3034
02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:00,319
Um, one thing that we that we saw is the

3035
02:24:00,319 --> 02:24:02,080
aggregate that we were using was very

3036
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,160
low in plasticity, which is clay content

3037
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,520
in the gravel, and that's what really

3038
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:07,200
binds it together. So, when you're

3039
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:08,880
traveling on some roads and you see that

3040
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:10,560
surface is very loose and it's popping,

3041
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:12,880
there's that lack of of clay to bind it

3042
02:24:12,880 --> 02:24:14,640
all together. So, with this process,

3043
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:16,000
you're bringing up some of that clay,

3044
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:18,160
those underlying soils, and getting a

3045
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:20,479
more cohesive mix that holds moisture

3046
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:22,720
longer and should result in a longer

3047
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:25,120
lasting surface. That's the intent

3048
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:26,319
anyway. But that's why we want to do

3049
02:24:26,319 --> 02:24:30,870
some trials just to do that comparison.

3050
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:34,560
» Did that answer your question?

3051
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:37,530
>> All right. Questions? Um,

3052
02:24:37,530 --> 02:24:37,540
» All right. Questions? Um,

3053
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:38,960
[clears throat] so thank you for all the

3054
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:40,640
questions on the deep base stabilizer.

3055
02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:42,080
We can walk through all these. Is there

3056
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:43,840
any

3057
02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:46,479
particular ones uh for discussion or

3058
02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:49,680
questions on these?

3059
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:52,594
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, just on

3060
02:24:52,594 --> 02:24:52,604
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, just on

3061
02:24:52,604 --> 02:24:55,600
[clears throat] the uh armadillos in the

3062
02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:58,800
traffic count, I I understand the

3063
02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:00,720
concept of what they do. I just I'm

3064
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:02,960
wondering whether they have the ability

3065
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:07,680
to determine the size of the vehicle.

3066
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:09,910
>> Uh, thank you councelor Kervis for that

3067
02:25:09,910 --> 02:25:09,920
» Uh, thank you councelor Kervis for that

3068
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:14,800
question. it they do not in

3069
02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:16,640
they don't

3070
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:18,630
>> what what they do include is in addition

3071
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:18,640
» what what they do include is in addition

3072
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:21,280
to counts they do also have the speed

3073
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:24,160
and speed is also direct correlation uh

3074
02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:26,319
on the impact of the roads as well. We

3075
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:28,800
do own two of these currently and we do

3076
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:31,280
rely quite heavily on this information

3077
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:33,120
for operational decision making as well

3078
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:36,399
as include that in our asset management

3079
02:25:36,399 --> 02:25:38,960
for sections of roads. Do you have on

3080
02:25:38,960 --> 02:25:39,760
that call or?

3081
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:42,070
>> Yeah, it's on it's on that and it's it's

3082
02:25:42,070 --> 02:25:42,080
» Yeah, it's on it's on that and it's it's

3083
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:43,920
something that it's not lost on us. I

3084
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:45,680
think we want to understand as part of

3085
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:47,760
this there's actually a few pieces at

3086
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:49,280
play here. I just want council to

3087
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:50,880
understand what we're working through

3088
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:52,399
because we have talked about it. There

3089
02:25:52,399 --> 02:25:54,000
is technology that will help us do that.

3090
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:55,439
There's technology that'll count the

3091
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:57,920
number of axles or different ways that

3092
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:00,160
you can measure it. Most of those are

3093
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:04,240
significant investments and we don't

3094
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:05,600
have a lot of data on our gravel

3095
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:07,280
roadways for traffic counts and

3096
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:08,399
everything else. So even the transfer

3097
02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:10,880
that Ryan already highlighted moving

3098
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:13,120
from public works and his waterfall into

3099
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:15,359
infrastructure is some of that FTE count

3100
02:26:15,359 --> 02:26:17,200
that we're trying to top up and combine

3101
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:18,800
this. So we get somebody that's in the

3102
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:20,399
field helping with the AM coordination,

3103
02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:23,040
the liaison, moving those armadillos,

3104
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:25,040
start gathering some layer of

3105
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:27,359
information and we move in. As we can

3106
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:29,280
narrow that down, then we start to look

3107
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:30,720
at some of those other technologies to

3108
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:32,479
say, okay, h how do we actually figure

3109
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:34,000
out what the intensity of that traffic

3110
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,000
is, not just the traffic count, because

3111
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:38,560
to your point, 200 light duty trucks can

3112
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:41,200
go down that road and you have a a

3113
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:43,760
silage hall on a different like it's not

3114
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:45,439
the same. We're just trying to narrow

3115
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:47,040
that gap at this stage and it's still

3116
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:48,800
early. So I I don't want anybody to have

3117
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:50,240
the assumption that any of this is a

3118
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,160
silver bullet. This is us layering in

3119
02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:53,600
information as we move towards that

3120
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:55,600
ultimate goal.

3121
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:57,429
>> Thanks. Well, and don't get me wrong, I

3122
02:26:57,429 --> 02:26:57,439
» Thanks. Well, and don't get me wrong, I

3123
02:26:57,439 --> 02:26:59,520
asked the question because you know if

3124
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:02,160
in an ideal situation it would be great,

3125
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:05,120
but uh I appreciate that it's more data

3126
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:08,560
than we had before. And so I you know

3127
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:10,800
I'm I'm not trying to put it in a

3128
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:12,240
negative light. I was just wondering

3129
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:14,560
whether it actually had that ability. Be

3130
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:16,960
awesome if it did because then we would

3131
02:27:16,960 --> 02:27:19,120
be able to tell, okay, yeah, we've got X

3132
02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:21,120
number of large trucks and and light

3133
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:23,920
duty traffic, but it's as you said, it's

3134
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:26,000
better than what we have now, which is

3135
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:27,120
little to nothing. So,

3136
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:28,790
>> yeah, I appreciate that. Do recognize

3137
02:27:28,790 --> 02:27:28,800
» yeah, I appreciate that. Do recognize

3138
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:31,040
that Cole is correct. The technology is

3139
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:33,280
out there. Uh it's used on paved

3140
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:36,560
surfaces uh often that will count axles

3141
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:38,800
and different vehicle sizes. They also

3142
02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:41,920
look at birectionals for multi-lane. So

3143
02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:44,160
there is technology that's out there has

3144
02:27:44,160 --> 02:27:46,240
not been successfully employed in gravel

3145
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:48,319
roads because you would have to like dig

3146
02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:50,479
a trench in your road permanently leave

3147
02:27:50,479 --> 02:27:54,640
it there um and hasn't been tried uh and

3148
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:56,399
would be very cost prohibitive at this

3149
02:27:56,399 --> 02:27:59,280
point in time. So right now we're if we

3150
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:01,359
can start with some count data that is

3151
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:04,640
going to definitely help us

3152
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:08,000
from where we are today.

3153
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:10,319
Thank you. So, um, John asked most of

3154
02:28:10,319 --> 02:28:12,240
what I was going to ask, but would you

3155
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:16,399
still need uh to hire the humanized uh

3156
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:18,560
traffic counters as well? I'll call him

3157
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:20,000
humanized. I don't know what else to

3158
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:20,399
call.

3159
02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:24,309
>> Yes. P Patty Patty is a human lady.

3160
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:24,319
» Yes. P Patty Patty is a human lady.

3161
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:27,110
>> Patty Patty is a wonderful member of our

3162
02:28:27,110 --> 02:28:27,120
» Patty Patty is a wonderful member of our

3163
02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:28,720
team. I'll have Devin speak to that

3164
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:29,840
because I believe there's some

3165
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:32,550
>> I would actually Yeah, I I I don't know

3166
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:32,560
» I would actually Yeah, I I I don't know

3167
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:36,560
what Devon's gonna say, but um before

3168
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:39,040
before we do that, I I think this one is

3169
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:41,840
a close session discussion um related to

3170
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:43,680
personal information

3171
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:46,000
uh if we're going to be able to speak

3172
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:47,280
about that openly. Whether it does or

3173
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:48,800
doesn't replace that individual or not,

3174
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:50,319
I don't I don't know the answer to that.

3175
02:28:50,319 --> 02:28:51,760
But I I don't know that that's a

3176
02:28:51,760 --> 02:29:06,150
conversation for public session.

3177
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:11,910
All right. Um,

3178
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:15,359
» other qu I walk through u

3179
02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:18,560
the other projects here road.

3180
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:22,560
Uh this is for some potential if we

3181
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:27,120
needed to change um traffic flow on that

3182
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:31,439
particular section of road. Um this is a

3183
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:34,240
a maybe something we're looking at uh

3184
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:37,200
currently operationally. Uh the next

3185
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:40,960
one, hard surface consultant. Um, as

3186
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:43,920
we're looking for more planning

3187
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:45,120
on [clears throat] managing our hard

3188
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,520
surfaces, um, we're looking to bring a

3189
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,840
consultant on board for that to, uh,

3190
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:52,240
better lines so that we actually have

3191
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,479
better data, more assessments, and

3192
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:56,800
really build that out, um, over our

3193
02:29:56,800 --> 02:29:59,359
operational period in 2026.

3194
02:29:59,359 --> 02:30:03,040
And then the final two, um, Shaughnessy

3195
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:04,720
Pump Station, we just need to put a

3196
02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:06,000
fence around it to protect our

3197
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,960
infrastructure. And then the final one,

3198
02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:11,280
uh, this was a really successful piece

3199
02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:13,840
for us actually for our 2025 season

3200
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:16,319
where we, you may have seen that we had

3201
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:18,640
a grater that was, uh, temporarily

3202
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:20,399
staged in Steuart Siding. We were able

3203
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:24,160
to rent a a small

3204
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:26,720
plot of land on uh with a vendor there

3205
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:30,240
where we had our our fuel tank there and

3206
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:32,240
that actually significantly cut down our

3207
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:34,000
mobilization time for that particular

3208
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:35,680
greater operator to function in

3209
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:38,720
divisional one. In fact, up to 45

3210
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:41,439
minutes a day um in terms of efficiency

3211
02:30:41,439 --> 02:30:43,120
to improve our productivity. So, we're

3212
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:44,399
looking to do that again because we

3213
02:30:44,399 --> 02:30:47,840
don't have aside from our cold shop, we

3214
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:50,479
don't have um anything in division one

3215
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:52,240
for our greater operators like we do in

3216
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,560
our other divisions um where they kind

3217
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:56,160
of live full-time and work directly out

3218
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:58,720
of there. So, it's a huge operational

3219
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:00,960
efficiency here for a very small dollar

3220
02:31:00,960 --> 02:31:03,280
amount to to go and find a just a spot

3221
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:08,389
of land or vacant lot. So,

3222
02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:15,590
okay.

3223
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,600
We'll move to fleet services.

3224
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,309
>> Can we just take a a quick five?

3225
02:31:20,309 --> 02:31:20,319
» Can we just take a a quick five?

3226
02:31:20,319 --> 02:31:21,110
>> Yeah, that's fine.

3227
02:31:21,110 --> 02:31:21,120
» Yeah, that's fine.

3228
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:26,389
>> Okay, thank you.

3229
02:31:26,399 --> 03:15:40,150
» Who is

3230
03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:41,359
Thank you very much. We'll call the

3231
03:15:41,359 --> 03:15:44,000
meeting back to order at 12:15 this

3232
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:46,720
afternoon. Brian, the floor is yours.

3233
03:15:46,720 --> 03:15:48,790
>> Okay. Thank you.

3234
03:15:48,790 --> 03:15:48,800
» Okay. Thank you.

3235
03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:51,600
Uh so moving into our fleet department.

3236
03:15:51,600 --> 03:15:53,200
Just a quick overview. Fleet services

3237
03:15:53,200 --> 03:15:54,880
department maintains repairs all small

3238
03:15:54,880 --> 03:15:56,640
engine light duty trucks, heavy duty

3239
03:15:56,640 --> 03:15:59,520
trucks, heavy equipment uh with costs

3240
03:15:59,520 --> 03:16:01,520
allocated to department through uh

3241
03:16:01,520 --> 03:16:03,600
equipment rentals. It also provides

3242
03:16:03,600 --> 03:16:05,040
preventive maintenance, manages

3243
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:08,399
commercial vehicle files, conducts uh

3244
03:16:08,399 --> 03:16:10,560
CIPS and overseas warranties and recalls

3245
03:16:10,560 --> 03:16:12,720
to keep the fleet reliable and coste

3246
03:16:12,720 --> 03:16:14,880
effective.

3247
03:16:14,880 --> 03:16:18,160
So overview uh of this slide. Um, we'll

3248
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:20,720
get into the details on the expenditure

3249
03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:24,800
side with the waterfall. Um,

3250
03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:26,239
really the key highlights here, we've

3251
03:16:26,239 --> 03:16:28,720
really flatlined

3252
03:16:28,720 --> 03:16:31,120
our operational

3253
03:16:31,120 --> 03:16:32,720
of this. It's probably the most

3254
03:16:32,720 --> 03:16:35,840
consistent of all of our departments.

3255
03:16:35,840 --> 03:16:38,000
What you're seeing here is a carbon tax

3256
03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:39,600
levy. We're showing that because that

3257
03:16:39,600 --> 03:16:42,080
will be escalated as per government

3258
03:16:42,080 --> 03:16:45,680
regulation until 3030. So that uh

3259
03:16:45,680 --> 03:16:48,080
estimate based on our current volume is

3260
03:16:48,080 --> 03:16:51,120
40 grand and then goes 50 54 over the

3261
03:16:51,120 --> 03:16:53,920
next three years. Uh the other one where

3262
03:16:53,920 --> 03:16:56,080
you're seeing that [clears throat] cost

3263
03:16:56,080 --> 03:16:59,359
savings is we completed our fuel master

3264
03:16:59,359 --> 03:17:01,600
upgrade. So this is our automated

3265
03:17:01,600 --> 03:17:05,359
real-time uh fuel servicing where we

3266
03:17:05,359 --> 03:17:07,600
account for uh all the fuel that goes in

3267
03:17:07,600 --> 03:17:09,760
and out of our vehicles by vehicle. And

3268
03:17:09,760 --> 03:17:12,800
so uh we finished that in 2025. you're

3269
03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:15,680
seeing that as a cost reduction for

3270
03:17:15,680 --> 03:17:18,080
2026.

3271
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:20,800
And then the other uh elements there are

3272
03:17:20,800 --> 03:17:23,120
just internal realignments with actual

3273
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:25,520
expenditures. Any questions on fleet?

3274
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:28,319
This is the one that's fairly

3275
03:17:28,319 --> 03:17:30,800
straightforward as a whole.

3276
03:17:30,800 --> 03:17:36,389
>> Any questions on fleet for Ryan?

3277
03:17:36,399 --> 03:17:39,200
» Go ahead.

3278
03:17:39,200 --> 03:17:41,349
>> Uh so

3279
03:17:41,349 --> 03:17:41,359
» Uh so

3280
03:17:41,359 --> 03:17:43,120
20

3281
03:17:43,120 --> 03:17:47,359
six and 27 have that escalation cost.

3282
03:17:47,359 --> 03:17:49,840
And so it's just we've absorbed that

3283
03:17:49,840 --> 03:17:52,960
this year with the operating projects

3284
03:17:52,960 --> 03:17:55,840
paying back or how did we how did we

3285
03:17:55,840 --> 03:17:59,359
absorb that escalation

3286
03:17:59,359 --> 03:18:01,429
>> like the just so I'm [clears throat]

3287
03:18:01,429 --> 03:18:01,439
» like the just so I'm [clears throat]

3288
03:18:01,439 --> 03:18:03,359
clear councelor Vanessa are you looking

3289
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:06,080
at the difference between 26 and 27?

3290
03:18:06,080 --> 03:18:10,070
>> Yeah. So when we go 26 to 7 and 7 to 8 I

3291
03:18:10,070 --> 03:18:10,080
» Yeah. So when we go 26 to 7 and 7 to 8 I

3292
03:18:10,080 --> 03:18:14,000
guess it would be there's a 113 and 120

3293
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:17,920
escalation. Um, how did we absorb that

3294
03:18:17,920 --> 03:18:20,399
this year or did we just not have a cost

3295
03:18:20,399 --> 03:18:22,800
escalation?

3296
03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:26,710
>> Yeah. So when we and Justin maybe I'll

3297
03:18:26,710 --> 03:18:26,720
» Yeah. So when we and Justin maybe I'll

3298
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:28,560
ask Justin to speak to this one in terms

3299
03:18:28,560 --> 03:18:30,479
of what the final bucket in that but

3300
03:18:30,479 --> 03:18:33,040
what we looked at as line by line some

3301
03:18:33,040 --> 03:18:35,279
things that we didn't do a blanket as es

3302
03:18:35,279 --> 03:18:38,239
escalation on as we reviewed our

3303
03:18:38,239 --> 03:18:41,600
operational budget for 2026 based on

3304
03:18:41,600 --> 03:19:19,190
what we already know.

3305
03:19:19,200 --> 03:19:21,920
through the reef to councelor uh Van

3306
03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:25,359
Essen. Um

3307
03:19:25,359 --> 03:19:28,640
you'll notice the

3308
03:19:28,640 --> 03:19:30,800
escalation

3309
03:19:30,800 --> 03:19:34,880
is on the fourth bucket here. So it's

3310
03:19:34,880 --> 03:19:36,880
33,000

3311
03:19:36,880 --> 03:19:39,439
higher than the previous year. And then

3312
03:19:39,439 --> 03:19:41,040
in

3313
03:19:41,040 --> 03:19:45,840
2026 it's 113 and escalation in 20

3314
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:49,760
between 27 28 budget is the 120. It is

3315
03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:54,399
lower and some of that's to do with the

3316
03:19:54,399 --> 03:19:56,479
timing of when we looked at the dollars

3317
03:19:56,479 --> 03:19:59,520
for the budget this year. So I didn't

3318
03:19:59,520 --> 03:20:02,800
want to just blanket apply a percentage

3319
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:08,630
across every single line item.

3320
03:20:08,640 --> 03:20:10,218
So we moved we moved part

3321
03:20:10,218 --> 03:20:11,279
[clears throat] like part of the

3322
03:20:11,279 --> 03:20:13,040
staffing is was fully bucketed and

3323
03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:16,800
planned for in 25 in fleet. The salaries

3324
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:18,160
which was the escalation that we've

3325
03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:19,520
placed on everything in those future

3326
03:20:19,520 --> 03:20:21,600
years is broken out from 20 like 25 to

3327
03:20:21,600 --> 03:20:25,200
26. But the specific escalation there is

3328
03:20:25,200 --> 03:20:27,200
we've expanded the scope. So some of

3329
03:20:27,200 --> 03:20:29,040
that FTE that was originally fully

3330
03:20:29,040 --> 03:20:30,800
bucketed to that department is now split

3331
03:20:30,800 --> 03:20:33,040
across multiple departments based on

3332
03:20:33,040 --> 03:20:35,439
their scope of work. That's that's why

3333
03:20:35,439 --> 03:20:37,520
it's less in this year and greater in

3334
03:20:37,520 --> 03:20:39,040
the subsequent years because then that's

3335
03:20:39,040 --> 03:20:40,880
the applied. So we're actually

3336
03:20:40,880 --> 03:20:43,920
decreasing that if you look at the the

3337
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:45,680
slide above and then it starts to

3338
03:20:45,680 --> 03:20:47,200
escalate normally there. So that's just

3339
03:20:47,200 --> 03:20:53,429
the differential is all that is.

3340
03:20:53,439 --> 03:20:56,068
» Okay.

3341
03:20:56,068 --> 03:21:00,229
[clears throat]

3342
03:21:00,239 --> 03:21:02,560
Next one here uh utility services and

3343
03:21:02,560 --> 03:21:05,200
programs. So quick quick overview.

3344
03:21:05,200 --> 03:21:06,720
Lethbridge County operates and maintains

3345
03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:08,239
a large regional water system,

3346
03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:09,840
wastewater infrastructure and solid

3347
03:21:09,840 --> 03:21:12,399
wasteway services to ensure reliable

3348
03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:14,399
utility delivery, environmental

3349
03:21:14,399 --> 03:21:16,080
protection support for residents,

3350
03:21:16,080 --> 03:21:18,080
businesses, and the growing aggra food

3351
03:21:18,080 --> 03:21:20,640
sector. These programs involve system

3352
03:21:20,640 --> 03:21:22,720
monitoring, repairs, regulatory

3353
03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:24,800
compliance, lagoon treatments and

3354
03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:26,800
maintenance, and waste disposal

3355
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:28,880
services, all backed by ongoing

3356
03:21:28,880 --> 03:21:30,399
investment and planned maintenance to

3357
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:34,550
ensure long-term sustainability.

3358
03:21:34,560 --> 03:21:38,560
Um, as you'll see on on this slide here,

3359
03:21:38,560 --> 03:21:40,800
it's right before you.

3360
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:42,309
>> Yeah, I think I think before we go any

3361
03:21:42,309 --> 03:21:42,319
» Yeah, I think I think before we go any

3362
03:21:42,319 --> 03:21:43,439
further, let's

3363
03:21:43,439 --> 03:21:44,229
>> Sure.

3364
03:21:44,229 --> 03:21:44,239
» Sure.

3365
03:21:44,239 --> 03:21:46,950
>> Yeah. So, we're going to um I think for

3366
03:21:46,950 --> 03:21:46,960
» Yeah. So, we're going to um I think for

3367
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:48,080
some of this conversation, it's going to

3368
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:50,319
be really important uh pursuant to ATIA

3369
03:21:50,319 --> 03:21:52,319
section 26, harmful to intergovernmental

3370
03:21:52,319 --> 03:21:53,920
relations, then we just need to start

3371
03:21:53,920 --> 03:21:55,520
the conversation in closed and then we

3372
03:21:55,520 --> 03:21:56,720
can come out of close for the remainder

3373
03:21:56,720 --> 03:21:58,880
of the discussion related to utilities

3374
03:21:58,880 --> 03:22:00,960
if that's all right with council.

3375
03:22:00,960 --> 03:22:04,080
Okay, Eric motion to move into close

3376
03:22:04,080 --> 03:22:04,880
session.

3377
03:22:04,880 --> 03:22:06,469
>> Eric's moved to enter a close session at

3378
03:22:06,469 --> 03:22:06,479
» Eric's moved to enter a close session at

3379
03:22:06,479 --> 03:22:09,040
12:21 this afternoon.

3380
03:22:09,040 --> 03:22:11,279
Any discussion? Call question. Those in

3381
03:22:11,279 --> 03:22:13,120
favor? Anyone want? Those opposed?

3382
03:22:13,120 --> 03:43:18,790
>> I

3383
03:43:18,800 --> 03:43:20,160
Kevin's moved to come out of a close

3384
03:43:20,160 --> 03:43:23,680
session at 12:42. Any discussion? Let's

3385
03:43:23,680 --> 03:43:26,720
call the question. Those in favor

3386
03:43:26,720 --> 03:43:29,120
is carried.

3387
03:43:29,120 --> 03:43:31,040
Board is yours, Ryan. Okay. Thank you.

3388
03:43:31,040 --> 03:43:33,199
Um

3389
03:43:33,199 --> 03:43:36,080
we see here operating projects in 2026.

3390
03:43:36,080 --> 03:43:38,960
Uh total

3391
03:43:38,960 --> 03:43:42,000
spend at the ask is $150,000.

3392
03:43:42,000 --> 03:43:44,560
It's for two two projects. One is in

3393
03:43:44,560 --> 03:43:47,279
Iron Springs. Uh it's to do some

3394
03:43:47,279 --> 03:43:50,160
maintenance activities that some minor

3395
03:43:50,160 --> 03:43:52,080
repairs there that will significantly

3396
03:43:52,080 --> 03:43:54,160
extend the the life of that to avoid

3397
03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:57,040
some much more costly um repairs and

3398
03:43:57,040 --> 03:43:59,520
fixes. It's at $75,000.

3399
03:43:59,520 --> 03:44:01,279
And then the second one here is to

3400
03:44:01,279 --> 03:44:04,160
improve the the quality of the raw water

3401
03:44:04,160 --> 03:44:09,439
uh in the Broxurn Business Park. Um that

3402
03:44:09,439 --> 03:44:11,520
was targeted for $75,000. This is water

3403
03:44:11,520 --> 03:44:15,840
that is used by the majority of um the

3404
03:44:15,840 --> 03:44:18,399
businesses in that area and we've had

3405
03:44:18,399 --> 03:44:22,239
significant problems with water quality

3406
03:44:22,239 --> 03:44:26,160
and it's been it's been a struggle um

3407
03:44:26,160 --> 03:44:27,840
because that system has been neglected

3408
03:44:27,840 --> 03:44:30,319
for quite a while. And so we're very

3409
03:44:30,319 --> 03:44:33,520
confident in in this technology will

3410
03:44:33,520 --> 03:44:36,479
will actually solve that to increase the

3411
03:44:36,479 --> 03:44:39,520
the quality of the water. So those are

3412
03:44:39,520 --> 03:44:41,040
two. Any any questions on either of

3413
03:44:41,040 --> 03:44:45,670
those?

3414
03:44:45,680 --> 03:44:47,520
All right, we'll move to the the final

3415
03:44:47,520 --> 03:44:49,040
one and you'll be done from here for me

3416
03:44:49,040 --> 03:44:52,960
for a bit. Uh a services.

3417
03:44:52,960 --> 03:44:56,080
So a services uh fairly broad where we

3418
03:44:56,080 --> 03:44:59,120
actually invest uh in addition to what

3419
03:44:59,120 --> 03:45:01,199
we're legislatively

3420
03:45:01,199 --> 03:45:03,920
responsible for for uh weed control,

3421
03:45:03,920 --> 03:45:06,239
pest inspection, soil conservation, and

3422
03:45:06,239 --> 03:45:10,080
and management of of those elements.

3423
03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:12,640
Mowing and weed control are really key

3424
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:15,359
activities that we do throughout the

3425
03:45:15,359 --> 03:45:17,359
year. And that's what will represent

3426
03:45:17,359 --> 03:45:21,830
here budgetarily.

3427
03:45:21,840 --> 03:45:23,520
do want to highlight the fact and I know

3428
03:45:23,520 --> 03:45:26,239
we brought this up in an ASB meeting

3429
03:45:26,239 --> 03:45:28,720
earlier in the week the reduction we did

3430
03:45:28,720 --> 03:45:31,600
have on on one of the the grants but

3431
03:45:31,600 --> 03:45:33,680
you'll see the the other portion of the

3432
03:45:33,680 --> 03:45:38,309
grant was awarded for five years.

3433
03:45:38,319 --> 03:45:45,670
So let's move into this.

3434
03:45:45,680 --> 03:45:48,960
We'll start from left to right.

3435
03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:50,800
Um what we're seeing here with the

3436
03:45:50,800 --> 03:45:53,439
personnel adjustments again finally just

3437
03:45:53,439 --> 03:45:55,600
right sizing our our budgetary

3438
03:45:55,600 --> 03:45:58,239
allocations using our Questica software

3439
03:45:58,239 --> 03:46:01,040
it's so that everything is aligned uh

3440
03:46:01,040 --> 03:46:04,640
properly uh on that end and that

3441
03:46:04,640 --> 03:46:10,160
includes our cola as well um at 2% for

3442
03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:12,399
that team. So we're not reducing

3443
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:14,080
headcount here just to be clear we are

3444
03:46:14,080 --> 03:46:16,000
not reducing our headcount with these

3445
03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:17,840
teams it's just a right size. So if you

3446
03:46:17,840 --> 03:46:20,160
were to look at back to the slide of

3447
03:46:20,160 --> 03:46:22,960
public works where we were up where

3448
03:46:22,960 --> 03:46:25,520
we're spending more and this they offset

3449
03:46:25,520 --> 03:46:28,319
it's not net zero but the bulk of that

3450
03:46:28,319 --> 03:46:31,279
remainder there's only about $150,000

3451
03:46:31,279 --> 03:46:33,439
and majority of that is actually cost of

3452
03:46:33,439 --> 03:46:35,520
living. So between this and and that

3453
03:46:35,520 --> 03:46:37,760
other portfolio where we right sized um

3454
03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:39,920
for staffing.

3455
03:46:39,920 --> 03:46:42,239
So that's that's internal uh scope

3456
03:46:42,239 --> 03:46:43,439
increase here is actually some

3457
03:46:43,439 --> 03:46:46,720
additional chemical um use for spraying

3458
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:50,160
roadside spraying that we anticipate um

3459
03:46:50,160 --> 03:46:53,199
in 2026. And so you see that charge

3460
03:46:53,199 --> 03:46:56,319
there scope decrease highlighted this

3461
03:46:56,319 --> 03:46:58,399
one. didn't really need to, but it's

3462
03:46:58,399 --> 03:47:01,120
just some savings that were identified

3463
03:47:01,120 --> 03:47:04,160
internally that as we always review line

3464
03:47:04,160 --> 03:47:08,479
by line, not nec no change to level of

3465
03:47:08,479 --> 03:47:10,560
service, but just as we reallocate

3466
03:47:10,560 --> 03:47:11,840
internally. So, I wanted to highlight

3467
03:47:11,840 --> 03:47:15,120
that. And then you see escalation uh it

3468
03:47:15,120 --> 03:47:17,359
fleet allocation and the budget

3469
03:47:17,359 --> 03:47:19,760
adjustments uh are highlighted there as

3470
03:47:19,760 --> 03:47:23,199
well for operating projects. Uh that's

3471
03:47:23,199 --> 03:47:27,279
coming down. Um, this is a realignment

3472
03:47:27,279 --> 03:47:32,000
where in 2025 our MR funding to support

3473
03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:35,040
the Turan

3474
03:47:35,040 --> 03:47:38,160
flip to this. Yeah. The Turan Park uh

3475
03:47:38,160 --> 03:47:41,520
that we redid in 2025.

3476
03:47:41,520 --> 03:47:43,040
The funding flowed through our

3477
03:47:43,040 --> 03:47:44,960
operations and now we've corrected that

3478
03:47:44,960 --> 03:47:48,319
for future in uh expenditures will flow

3479
03:47:48,319 --> 03:47:50,239
directly from the reserve. So Haley

3480
03:47:50,239 --> 03:47:51,520
supported us with that. So that's why

3481
03:47:51,520 --> 03:47:54,720
you're seeing this reduction of the 110

3482
03:47:54,720 --> 03:47:57,840
and then also seeing that change uh as

3483
03:47:57,840 --> 03:48:01,920
well in 2027 that minus 40. It's it's

3484
03:48:01,920 --> 03:48:04,160
right sizing where those monies are

3485
03:48:04,160 --> 03:48:06,239
flowing. They shouldn't flow through our

3486
03:48:06,239 --> 03:48:12,389
operational account on that.

3487
03:48:12,399 --> 03:48:14,080
Just a couple operational projects that

3488
03:48:14,080 --> 03:48:18,000
we have planned for 2026.

3489
03:48:18,000 --> 03:48:19,760
Um,

3490
03:48:19,760 --> 03:48:22,319
we have a a five-year cycle. We're

3491
03:48:22,319 --> 03:48:24,720
tightening up our whole tree maintenance

3492
03:48:24,720 --> 03:48:28,479
program as a whole. Uh, looking to add

3493
03:48:28,479 --> 03:48:30,800
and finesse that in our asset management

3494
03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:32,000
system. We do have a lot of those

3495
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:34,880
already recognized there. But, uh, we're

3496
03:48:34,880 --> 03:48:37,199
seeing trees that need some care and

3497
03:48:37,199 --> 03:48:39,040
attention, uh, near power lines, and

3498
03:48:39,040 --> 03:48:40,800
that's work that, uh, we're not

3499
03:48:40,800 --> 03:48:42,800
qualified or should we be doing that,

3500
03:48:42,800 --> 03:48:44,800
uh, because of the level of risk. And so

3501
03:48:44,800 --> 03:48:47,920
we're looking for $40,000 for 2026 where

3502
03:48:47,920 --> 03:48:50,720
we'll hire a contractor to service and

3503
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:53,439
maintain some trees that need to be

3504
03:48:53,439 --> 03:48:55,199
addressed before they come a bigger

3505
03:48:55,199 --> 03:48:56,960
problem for the county. And then the

3506
03:48:56,960 --> 03:48:59,359
second line there is the manure bypass

3507
03:48:59,359 --> 03:49:01,120
um program which we've had funding in

3508
03:49:01,120 --> 03:49:04,720
there in the past. Sorry.

3509
03:49:04,720 --> 03:49:06,950
>> Oh, just a question on manure bypass. We

3510
03:49:06,950 --> 03:49:06,960
» Oh, just a question on manure bypass. We

3511
03:49:06,960 --> 03:49:08,319
actually have some uptake on that

3512
03:49:08,319 --> 03:49:11,920
funding. I did receive a request for an

3513
03:49:11,920 --> 03:49:16,399
install in spring of 2026. And so, uh, I

3514
03:49:16,399 --> 03:49:18,640
believe the amount that we had put there

3515
03:49:18,640 --> 03:49:23,439
was $5,000 per, uh, install. And, uh,

3516
03:49:23,439 --> 03:49:25,760
because I saw one in anticipation that

3517
03:49:25,760 --> 03:49:28,399
if there is one more in 2026, I figure

3518
03:49:28,399 --> 03:49:29,920
maybe we ensure that we have that

3519
03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:31,439
covered in the budget instead of having

3520
03:49:31,439 --> 03:49:33,760
to find that or pull from somewhere

3521
03:49:33,760 --> 03:49:35,120
else. So, that's why you're seeing for

3522
03:49:35,120 --> 03:49:36,160
funding for two.

3523
03:49:36,160 --> 03:49:37,670
>> I think that's wonderful. It's a great

3524
03:49:37,670 --> 03:49:37,680
» I think that's wonderful. It's a great

3525
03:49:37,680 --> 03:49:39,439
program and it would be nice to see more

3526
03:49:39,439 --> 03:49:40,800
update on that.

3527
03:49:40,800 --> 03:49:42,469
>> Thank you, John. Mark,

3528
03:49:42,469 --> 03:49:42,479
» Thank you, John. Mark,

3529
03:49:42,479 --> 03:49:46,309
>> just to backtrack on the contract for

3530
03:49:46,309 --> 03:49:46,319
» just to backtrack on the contract for

3531
03:49:46,319 --> 03:49:49,040
the power company

3532
03:49:49,040 --> 03:49:52,399
that is something else that we do.

3533
03:49:52,399 --> 03:49:57,189
>> Yeah. So, the so Foris is is our is the

3534
03:49:57,189 --> 03:49:57,199
» Yeah. So, the so Foris is is our is the

3535
03:49:57,199 --> 03:50:00,080
provider in in the county. They don't

3536
03:50:00,080 --> 03:50:03,439
provide tree pruning for free

3537
03:50:03,439 --> 03:50:05,760
um in those rides. We've connect we do

3538
03:50:05,760 --> 03:50:07,680
work with them but you're responsible as

3539
03:50:07,680 --> 03:50:10,720
a private land owner to manage the trees

3540
03:50:10,720 --> 03:50:13,359
in that distance if there's any impacts

3541
03:50:13,359 --> 03:50:14,399
of the power lines. What they'll do is

3542
03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:15,920
they'll come in you'll they have crews

3543
03:50:15,920 --> 03:50:17,199
for sure but they'll come in they'll

3544
03:50:17,199 --> 03:50:19,279
send you the bill if they come in and do

3545
03:50:19,279 --> 03:50:23,030
that work.

3546
03:50:23,040 --> 03:50:26,080
I think there is some there is some

3547
03:50:26,080 --> 03:50:36,630
depending on where

3548
03:50:36,640 --> 03:50:38,479
» yeah we did reach out to foris and we'll

3549
03:50:38,479 --> 03:50:40,399
work with them but it's our obligation

3550
03:50:40,399 --> 03:50:43,600
to to ensure that if it's trees within

3551
03:50:43,600 --> 03:50:46,399
our rideway or our properties that

3552
03:50:46,399 --> 03:50:48,080
they're not interfering with the

3553
03:50:48,080 --> 03:50:49,680
infrastructure.

3554
03:50:49,680 --> 03:50:52,550
>> Okay.

3555
03:50:52,550 --> 03:50:52,560
» Okay.

3556
03:50:52,560 --> 03:50:54,560
Thank you, Mr. Chair. On the manure

3557
03:50:54,560 --> 03:50:57,680
bypass crossing, um,

3558
03:50:57,680 --> 03:50:59,840
so I've had a few people ask me about

3559
03:50:59,840 --> 03:51:02,160
that. Do is does the county pay for that

3560
03:51:02,160 --> 03:51:04,560
then? Like that's or do they have to

3561
03:51:04,560 --> 03:51:07,520
cover that? So, if I understand

3562
03:51:07,520 --> 03:51:08,960
correctly, the program when it was there

3563
03:51:08,960 --> 03:51:12,720
is that the county uh would cover up to

3564
03:51:12,720 --> 03:51:14,800
$5,000 of that install. We do do that

3565
03:51:14,800 --> 03:51:17,439
work in house. Um, because this will be,

3566
03:51:17,439 --> 03:51:19,840
I believe, the first one we've done in

3567
03:51:19,840 --> 03:51:21,680
three years. I think that program was

3568
03:51:21,680 --> 03:51:24,960
rolled on in 2024.

3569
03:51:24,960 --> 03:51:27,040
Anyone correct me on that?

3570
03:51:27,040 --> 03:51:30,309
>> Um

3571
03:51:30,319 --> 03:51:32,720
I we haven't scoped this one yet because

3572
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:35,279
uh it was a late application just like a

3573
03:51:35,279 --> 03:51:37,680
month ago. Um but we'll get out there

3574
03:51:37,680 --> 03:51:39,199
and have a look, but I'm confident we'll

3575
03:51:39,199 --> 03:51:42,000
be able to conduct that work to get that

3576
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:46,469
done.

3577
03:51:46,479 --> 03:51:48,160
And that's it. I'm going to pass it over

3578
03:51:48,160 --> 03:51:50,239
to Devin.

3579
03:51:50,239 --> 03:52:00,865
Thank you.

3580
03:52:00,875 --> 03:52:02,000
[clears throat]

3581
03:52:02,000 --> 03:52:04,389
>> Good afternoon, council. Pleased to

3582
03:52:04,389 --> 03:52:04,399
» Good afternoon, council. Pleased to

3583
03:52:04,399 --> 03:52:06,319
introduce the development and

3584
03:52:06,319 --> 03:52:09,279
infrastructure uh operating budget for

3585
03:52:09,279 --> 03:52:11,520
2026. Uh I'll be starting with

3586
03:52:11,520 --> 03:52:13,199
infrastructure services and then when we

3587
03:52:13,199 --> 03:52:14,239
get into planning and development,

3588
03:52:14,239 --> 03:52:15,840
Kaylin will come up and present that

3589
03:52:15,840 --> 03:52:17,439
budget.

3590
03:52:17,439 --> 03:52:18,880
So, just a brief overview of the

3591
03:52:18,880 --> 03:52:20,479
department. I'll just go through some of

3592
03:52:20,479 --> 03:52:22,000
the core activities. So, obviously,

3593
03:52:22,000 --> 03:52:24,560
capital project management uh is one of

3594
03:52:24,560 --> 03:52:25,680
the main key functions of the

3595
03:52:25,680 --> 03:52:27,680
department. That's not just projects

3596
03:52:27,680 --> 03:52:29,120
within the county. Those are regional

3597
03:52:29,120 --> 03:52:31,199
projects as well as Cole alluded to in

3598
03:52:31,199 --> 03:52:34,319
his uh introductory uh slides. We're

3599
03:52:34,319 --> 03:52:35,920
participating in the Malloy drainage

3600
03:52:35,920 --> 03:52:37,520
projects, the southern regional storm

3601
03:52:37,520 --> 03:52:39,359
water drainage committee projects such

3602
03:52:39,359 --> 03:52:41,279
as Horsefly and other regional

3603
03:52:41,279 --> 03:52:43,600
initiatives. Uh the same goes for uh

3604
03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:45,439
engineering studies. We do those both

3605
03:52:45,439 --> 03:52:47,680
locally and regionally with our other

3606
03:52:47,680 --> 03:52:49,520
municipal partners.

3607
03:52:49,520 --> 03:52:51,840
uh the act the department takes care of

3608
03:52:51,840 --> 03:52:53,279
water treatment and distribution

3609
03:52:53,279 --> 03:52:54,800
agreement management. So that's our

3610
03:52:54,800 --> 03:52:56,960
agreements with the commissions or with

3611
03:52:56,960 --> 03:52:58,479
the commission pardon me and the city of

3612
03:52:58,479 --> 03:53:00,880
Lethbridge and uh and our other

3613
03:53:00,880 --> 03:53:03,439
customers of the commission plotable

3614
03:53:03,439 --> 03:53:05,279
water sustainability such as license

3615
03:53:05,279 --> 03:53:07,279
management and acquisition the

3616
03:53:07,279 --> 03:53:08,800
Lethbridge regional water service

3617
03:53:08,800 --> 03:53:11,520
commission management uh operational

3618
03:53:11,520 --> 03:53:13,199
project planning and support. So, as

3619
03:53:13,199 --> 03:53:15,120
Ryan alluded to, we did that dust

3620
03:53:15,120 --> 03:53:17,040
control test section. That's just one

3621
03:53:17,040 --> 03:53:19,040
example of how we provide that technical

3622
03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:21,680
support to operations. Uh we manage all

3623
03:53:21,680 --> 03:53:23,920
the procurement within uh Lethbridge

3624
03:53:23,920 --> 03:53:25,279
County procurement documents, making

3625
03:53:25,279 --> 03:53:28,000
sure we're meeting uh our requirements

3626
03:53:28,000 --> 03:53:31,040
uh within those documents. Uh asset

3627
03:53:31,040 --> 03:53:33,359
management as you know our geographical

3628
03:53:33,359 --> 03:53:34,880
information system the mapping that we

3629
03:53:34,880 --> 03:53:36,960
bring up during council meetings uh

3630
03:53:36,960 --> 03:53:39,120
development and engineering oversight

3631
03:53:39,120 --> 03:53:41,520
crossing agreement management and gravel

3632
03:53:41,520 --> 03:53:45,110
pit management.

3633
03:53:45,120 --> 03:53:48,800
our proposed 2026 budget. Uh you'll see

3634
03:53:48,800 --> 03:53:52,160
we've got about $184,000 in anticipated

3635
03:53:52,160 --> 03:53:55,680
revenues and about 1.74 million in

3636
03:53:55,680 --> 03:53:58,160
anticipated expenditures for an overall

3637
03:53:58,160 --> 03:54:00,960
department uh tax support increase of

3638
03:54:00,960 --> 03:54:03,439
2%. And I'll get into that in a little

3639
03:54:03,439 --> 03:54:05,439
bit detail in the waterfall diagram

3640
03:54:05,439 --> 03:54:07,600
here.

3641
03:54:07,600 --> 03:54:11,600
So between 25 and 26, as Ryan mentioned

3642
03:54:11,600 --> 03:54:13,199
previously, there is that transfer from

3643
03:54:13,199 --> 03:54:15,600
public works to support an asset

3644
03:54:15,600 --> 03:54:18,080
management survey field tech position.

3645
03:54:18,080 --> 03:54:22,239
Uh $50,000 from his budget and uh some

3646
03:54:22,239 --> 03:54:24,319
savings from my budget as well to fund

3647
03:54:24,319 --> 03:54:26,399
that position. And that position will

3648
03:54:26,399 --> 03:54:28,720
really help uh in supporting our asset

3649
03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:31,040
management initiatives and operational

3650
03:54:31,040 --> 03:54:34,000
support. Um they'll be conducting survey

3651
03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:36,399
for our road rehab crews, drainage and

3652
03:54:36,399 --> 03:54:39,199
other operational activities and also

3653
03:54:39,199 --> 03:54:41,040
providing field inspection services for

3654
03:54:41,040 --> 03:54:43,199
approaches, crossings and other things

3655
03:54:43,199 --> 03:54:45,600
that operations historically completed.

3656
03:54:45,600 --> 03:54:48,160
And this is again just furthering that

3657
03:54:48,160 --> 03:54:50,319
um transition to that technical services

3658
03:54:50,319 --> 03:54:53,199
hub supporting operations.

3659
03:54:53,199 --> 03:54:55,359
Um, if we go to the next one, the

3660
03:54:55,359 --> 03:54:57,920
$32,000 reduction, that is the reserve

3661
03:54:57,920 --> 03:55:00,239
transfer for land. That was also alluded

3662
03:55:00,239 --> 03:55:02,800
to earlier, moving from um this budget

3663
03:55:02,800 --> 03:55:06,080
into public works going forward. And

3664
03:55:06,080 --> 03:55:08,479
then the next one, the 321,000, that is

3665
03:55:08,479 --> 03:55:11,520
for a couple operational projects. Um,

3666
03:55:11,520 --> 03:55:14,479
$200,000 for an area structure plan. So

3667
03:55:14,479 --> 03:55:16,319
that's for the land surrounding that

3668
03:55:16,319 --> 03:55:18,479
parcel that we recently purchased uh

3669
03:55:18,479 --> 03:55:21,120
south of the Broxurn Business Park. And

3670
03:55:21,120 --> 03:55:23,439
now that we have the in-house expertise

3671
03:55:23,439 --> 03:55:25,760
to conduct those area structure plans.

3672
03:55:25,760 --> 03:55:28,080
So Kayn has done those ASBs before, she

3673
03:55:28,080 --> 03:55:30,080
can compile the document that get all

3674
03:55:30,080 --> 03:55:32,000
that uh information together. The

3675
03:55:32,000 --> 03:55:33,920
200,000 is for external services for

3676
03:55:33,920 --> 03:55:36,560
engineering to look at roads, drainage,

3677
03:55:36,560 --> 03:55:38,800
site grading, servicing, off-site

3678
03:55:38,800 --> 03:55:42,640
impacts, all of those uh activities. So

3679
03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:46,479
that's a net adjustment of 321,000

3680
03:55:46,479 --> 03:55:48,960
uh on that item.

3681
03:55:48,960 --> 03:55:50,640
Uh as we continue on, there's some other

3682
03:55:50,640 --> 03:55:53,680
minor adjustments we have for escalation

3683
03:55:53,680 --> 03:55:56,720
and cost of living adjustments. Um the

3684
03:55:56,720 --> 03:55:59,680
redistribution of IT services as uh

3685
03:55:59,680 --> 03:56:01,920
previously alluded to just um making

3686
03:56:01,920 --> 03:56:04,399
that more um equitable across

3687
03:56:04,399 --> 03:56:05,840
departments and then the department

3688
03:56:05,840 --> 03:56:08,000
contingency that uh Cole referenced

3689
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:09,680
earlier.

3690
03:56:09,680 --> 03:56:13,439
Uh as we go into 2027, uh there is that

3691
03:56:13,439 --> 03:56:15,600
29,000. That's just that annualized

3692
03:56:15,600 --> 03:56:17,680
position that I spoke to earlier because

3693
03:56:17,680 --> 03:56:20,000
in 26 it'll by time you recruit it'll be

3694
03:56:20,000 --> 03:56:22,080
about a 10-month salary expenditure

3695
03:56:22,080 --> 03:56:24,800
we're looking at. So that portion is to

3696
03:56:24,800 --> 03:56:27,359
uh make up the difference there.

3697
03:56:27,359 --> 03:56:29,920
And then the decrease of $381,000

3698
03:56:29,920 --> 03:56:31,520
that's just the operational projects

3699
03:56:31,520 --> 03:56:34,880
that uh we do not have planned for 2026.

3700
03:56:34,880 --> 03:56:37,040
And then again going forward your 3%

3701
03:56:37,040 --> 03:56:43,670
escalation into 27 and 2028.

3702
03:56:43,680 --> 03:56:46,239
Is there any questions on that before I

3703
03:56:46,239 --> 03:56:50,229
go forward?

3704
03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:52,880
Okay.

3705
03:56:52,880 --> 03:56:56,160
So, our proposed operational projects um

3706
03:56:56,160 --> 03:56:58,160
there is the

3707
03:56:58,160 --> 03:57:01,279
uh maintenance manager CMMS that uh Cole

3708
03:57:01,279 --> 03:57:02,720
spoke to earlier that was brought to

3709
03:57:02,720 --> 03:57:05,199
council this summer and approved by

3710
03:57:05,199 --> 03:57:07,840
council. That is a two-year initiative

3711
03:57:07,840 --> 03:57:12,560
70,000 in 2025 and 180,000 in 2027.

3712
03:57:12,560 --> 03:57:14,160
And then the area structure plan

3713
03:57:14,160 --> 03:57:17,840
development of 200,000 as well in 2026.

3714
03:57:17,840 --> 03:57:19,680
And that are those are our proposed

3715
03:57:19,680 --> 03:57:23,670
operational projects.

3716
03:57:23,680 --> 03:57:29,189
Is there any questions of council?

3717
03:57:29,199 --> 03:57:36,229
» Thank you.

3718
03:57:36,239 --> 03:57:41,469
[clears throat]

3719
03:57:41,479 --> 03:57:45,269
» [laughter]

3720
03:57:45,279 --> 03:57:47,760
» Good afternoon, council. Um, moving into

3721
03:57:47,760 --> 03:57:49,840
the planning and development uh

3722
03:57:49,840 --> 03:57:52,640
department. We shape how the county

3723
03:57:52,640 --> 03:57:54,800
grows in terms of land use, supporting

3724
03:57:54,800 --> 03:57:57,120
development, ensuring new development

3725
03:57:57,120 --> 03:57:59,279
support the community and economy. So,

3726
03:57:59,279 --> 03:58:00,960
this means our team, they manage and

3727
03:58:00,960 --> 03:58:02,640
maintain all of our statutory plans and

3728
03:58:02,640 --> 03:58:05,279
land use strategies. We conduct detailed

3729
03:58:05,279 --> 03:58:06,800
review of all of our area structure

3730
03:58:06,800 --> 03:58:08,399
plans, resonings, and subdivisions that

3731
03:58:08,399 --> 03:58:09,600
are brought before you as the

3732
03:58:09,600 --> 03:58:11,520
development authority and subdivision

3733
03:58:11,520 --> 03:58:14,239
authority in the county. Uh we undertake

3734
03:58:14,239 --> 03:58:16,960
reviews of development permits. It's a

3735
03:58:16,960 --> 03:58:18,319
steady high volume of development

3736
03:58:18,319 --> 03:58:20,960
permits in the county. We administer all

3737
03:58:20,960 --> 03:58:22,720
of the development agreements,

3738
03:58:22,720 --> 03:58:24,160
compliance reviews, all those additional

3739
03:58:24,160 --> 03:58:26,399
services to support residents. And then

3740
03:58:26,399 --> 03:58:28,319
we coordinate any other land use ma

3741
03:58:28,319 --> 03:58:29,840
matters with residents, internal

3742
03:58:29,840 --> 03:58:31,680
departments, regional partners, external

3743
03:58:31,680 --> 03:58:34,080
agencies, NRCB being one of the major

3744
03:58:34,080 --> 03:58:35,600
partners.

3745
03:58:35,600 --> 03:58:37,840
Um, and our department does include two

3746
03:58:37,840 --> 03:58:40,800
third-party providers being Old Man

3747
03:58:40,800 --> 03:58:42,560
River Regional Service Commission and

3748
03:58:42,560 --> 03:58:45,600
Park Enterprise.

3749
03:58:45,600 --> 03:58:49,439
Uh, so this is our breakdown of revenue

3750
03:58:49,439 --> 03:58:52,160
and expenditures. is our revenue being

3751
03:58:52,160 --> 03:58:54,560
mostly the intake of applications for

3752
03:58:54,560 --> 03:58:57,359
development and planning applications.

3753
03:58:57,359 --> 03:58:59,439
And we're going to speak to this on the

3754
03:58:59,439 --> 03:59:00,560
next slide, but what you're going to

3755
03:59:00,560 --> 03:59:03,120
notice most about our budget is the

3756
03:59:03,120 --> 03:59:06,800
shift of our operating projects to ai

3757
03:59:06,800 --> 03:59:10,800
uh cyclical um activity. So, prior

3758
03:59:10,800 --> 03:59:12,640
years, we've always came to council with

3759
03:59:12,640 --> 03:59:15,520
the statutory plans that we needed to

3760
03:59:15,520 --> 03:59:18,560
review and update in that year. shifting

3761
03:59:18,560 --> 03:59:21,520
to um putting money into reserves every

3762
03:59:21,520 --> 03:59:23,600
year so that we're planning for it. Um

3763
03:59:23,600 --> 03:59:26,000
so it's not actually um it correct

3764
03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:27,840
myself it's a basically flattening out

3765
03:59:27,840 --> 03:59:30,319
our budget going forward. So just moving

3766
03:59:30,319 --> 03:59:35,359
into the um waterfall um this slight p

3767
03:59:35,359 --> 03:59:37,120
uh personnel adjustment is just the

3768
03:59:37,120 --> 03:59:39,840
shift from an intern to a permanent

3769
03:59:39,840 --> 03:59:43,840
position. Um the next column is man

3770
03:59:43,840 --> 03:59:47,199
region service commission. Um this is

3771
03:59:47,199 --> 03:59:48,720
their tentative budget. They're

3772
03:59:48,720 --> 03:59:50,560
presenting their budget to the board on

3773
03:59:50,560 --> 03:59:52,960
December 4th. Um but based on what they

3774
03:59:52,960 --> 03:59:55,680
have provided us, it's a annual fee of

3775
03:59:55,680 --> 03:59:57,199
118,000

3776
03:59:57,199 --> 04:00:00,399
for our an annual membership.

3777
04:00:00,399 --> 04:00:02,880
Um the IT allocations is the internal

3778
04:00:02,880 --> 04:00:04,399
transfers that everyone else has spoke

3779
04:00:04,399 --> 04:00:08,319
to. And then the last column in 2026 is

3780
04:00:08,319 --> 04:00:11,520
the um silic um planning activities

3781
04:00:11,520 --> 04:00:13,680
which those are our statutory plans. um

3782
04:00:13,680 --> 04:00:15,520
the residential land use strategy being

3783
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:17,120
one of them that we will update next

3784
04:00:17,120 --> 04:00:20,000
year. Um and then in the future years

3785
04:00:20,000 --> 04:00:21,120
looking at like our municipal

3786
04:00:21,120 --> 04:00:23,120
development plan, land use bylaws and

3787
04:00:23,120 --> 04:00:25,920
those types of plans. Um so putting into

3788
04:00:25,920 --> 04:00:27,439
reserves every year will allow us to

3789
04:00:27,439 --> 04:00:28,960
continue to update those statutory

3790
04:00:28,960 --> 04:00:30,720
documents.

3791
04:00:30,720 --> 04:00:36,550
Any questions?

3792
04:00:36,560 --> 04:00:39,279
So, ORRs is is

3793
04:00:39,279 --> 04:00:42,000
suggesting to us that they're

3794
04:00:42,000 --> 04:00:43,760
doing a year-over-year increase of about

3795
04:00:43,760 --> 04:00:44,800
15%.

3796
04:00:44,800 --> 04:00:46,870
>> Can I just ask that we probably move

3797
04:00:46,870 --> 04:00:46,880
» Can I just ask that we probably move

3798
04:00:46,880 --> 04:00:50,319
into um close section closed uh in

3799
04:00:50,319 --> 04:00:52,960
pursuant of section 20 and 26 harmful

3800
04:00:52,960 --> 04:11:41,269
municipal interests?

3801
04:11:41,279 --> 04:12:01,750
Thank you. Yeah, that was it.

3802
04:12:01,760 --> 04:12:03,600
See again. [laughter]

3803
04:12:03,600 --> 04:12:09,670
Long time no see.

3804
04:12:09,680 --> 04:12:11,760
Okay. So, next we're going to talk about

3805
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:13,520
finance and administration in terms of

3806
04:12:13,520 --> 04:12:16,239
services and programs provided. Um

3807
04:12:16,239 --> 04:12:18,319
finance and admin is responsible for the

3808
04:12:18,319 --> 04:12:20,319
overall financial sustainability of the

3809
04:12:20,319 --> 04:12:22,640
county. Our mission is to provide

3810
04:12:22,640 --> 04:12:24,720
appropriate controls and measures needed

3811
04:12:24,720 --> 04:12:27,680
to manage the county resources and to

3812
04:12:27,680 --> 04:12:29,359
deliver accurate financial information

3813
04:12:29,359 --> 04:12:31,199
for council and administration in

3814
04:12:31,199 --> 04:12:34,160
decision-making purposes. So this area

3815
04:12:34,160 --> 04:12:37,040
includes budget um accounting, audit,

3816
04:12:37,040 --> 04:12:39,359
financial reporting, payroll, managing

3817
04:12:39,359 --> 04:12:43,120
insurance programs, grant management

3818
04:12:43,120 --> 04:12:48,399
um and administration of various grants.

3819
04:12:48,399 --> 04:12:50,479
So if we look at the overall uh cost

3820
04:12:50,479 --> 04:12:53,040
slide summary in terms of revenues and

3821
04:12:53,040 --> 04:12:56,399
expenses, uh we've got some increases uh

3822
04:12:56,399 --> 04:13:00,000
to overall expenditures. um and we'll go

3823
04:13:00,000 --> 04:13:01,920
into that in more detail on the next

3824
04:13:01,920 --> 04:13:06,960
slide specific to um various areas

3825
04:13:06,960 --> 04:13:10,239
including uh wages and then also just uh

3826
04:13:10,239 --> 04:13:15,359
transfers from um other departments.

3827
04:13:15,359 --> 04:13:18,319
So if we look at the waterfall slide and

3828
04:13:18,319 --> 04:13:20,880
we just talk about high level changes

3829
04:13:20,880 --> 04:13:25,840
from 2025 to 2026, we've had um some

3830
04:13:25,840 --> 04:13:27,680
personnel changes in redistributive

3831
04:13:27,680 --> 04:13:32,319
resources. This position was unfunded in

3832
04:13:32,319 --> 04:13:35,120
uh 2025 and was funded through the

3833
04:13:35,120 --> 04:13:38,000
contingency in the um administrative

3834
04:13:38,000 --> 04:13:41,680
area. and so uh in the CAO's office. And

3835
04:13:41,680 --> 04:13:45,040
so this is just uh trueing up the actual

3836
04:13:45,040 --> 04:13:47,520
costs in terms of that those wages

3837
04:13:47,520 --> 04:13:50,399
including um cost of living adjustment

3838
04:13:50,399 --> 04:13:53,040
and benefit increases and as you've seen

3839
04:13:53,040 --> 04:13:54,880
throughout the the remainder of the

3840
04:13:54,880 --> 04:13:57,120
departments and areas. We've seen an

3841
04:13:57,120 --> 04:13:58,560
increase in insurance. We've seen an

3842
04:13:58,560 --> 04:14:00,319
increase in audit costs which have been

3843
04:14:00,319 --> 04:14:03,439
both adjusted and then um we've

3844
04:14:03,439 --> 04:14:05,040
reallocated

3845
04:14:05,040 --> 04:14:08,880
all of the software from uh various

3846
04:14:08,880 --> 04:14:10,640
departments into it and then

3847
04:14:10,640 --> 04:14:12,479
redistributed those costs just to try

3848
04:14:12,479 --> 04:14:15,520
and um allow for some more consolidation

3849
04:14:15,520 --> 04:14:17,920
of you know where we're at what software

3850
04:14:17,920 --> 04:14:19,359
and so I'll talk about more about that

3851
04:14:19,359 --> 04:14:22,560
in the IT department but that is

3852
04:14:22,560 --> 04:14:24,479
essentially the finance and

3853
04:14:24,479 --> 04:14:26,239
administrative

3854
04:14:26,239 --> 04:14:31,830
uh area of the Tony,

3855
04:14:31,840 --> 04:14:35,670
» any questions, sir?

3856
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:37,600
» Haley,

3857
04:14:37,600 --> 04:14:40,389
>> if we move into information technology,

3858
04:14:40,389 --> 04:14:40,399
» if we move into information technology,

3859
04:14:40,399 --> 04:14:42,880
uh Doug sends his regrets. He had to

3860
04:14:42,880 --> 04:14:45,359
head out. Um and so this I'm just going

3861
04:14:45,359 --> 04:14:47,760
to cover this for him. In terms of the

3862
04:14:47,760 --> 04:14:50,800
IT department, this is about delivering

3863
04:14:50,800 --> 04:14:52,800
responsible responsive support and

3864
04:14:52,800 --> 04:14:55,920
innovative solutions to the county um

3865
04:14:55,920 --> 04:14:58,000
with upholding a high standard for cyber

3866
04:14:58,000 --> 04:15:00,319
security. And it's really the first line

3867
04:15:00,319 --> 04:15:02,399
of defense and protecting the county's

3868
04:15:02,399 --> 04:15:04,960
financial information and all systems

3869
04:15:04,960 --> 04:15:07,359
handling of sensitive data secure,

3870
04:15:07,359 --> 04:15:09,040
reliable and compliant with industry

3871
04:15:09,040 --> 04:15:11,760
best practices. Um so this includes

3872
04:15:11,760 --> 04:15:13,680
governance, operations and hardware and

3873
04:15:13,680 --> 04:15:16,080
infrastructure of uh are the core

3874
04:15:16,080 --> 04:15:17,680
activities related to information

3875
04:15:17,680 --> 04:15:20,239
technology at the county. If we look at

3876
04:15:20,239 --> 04:15:23,520
this slide, uh, in terms of cost,

3877
04:15:23,520 --> 04:15:25,680
uh, it looks like there's a fairly

3878
04:15:25,680 --> 04:15:27,199
significant increase, but again, this

3879
04:15:27,199 --> 04:15:28,960
was the conversation about how we were

3880
04:15:28,960 --> 04:15:31,279
trying to take all of the costs related

3881
04:15:31,279 --> 04:15:33,520
to software and, uh, information

3882
04:15:33,520 --> 04:15:36,319
technology, move it into it, and then

3883
04:15:36,319 --> 04:15:39,439
redistribute that based on uh, need,

3884
04:15:39,439 --> 04:15:41,520
individuals, and headcount within the

3885
04:15:41,520 --> 04:15:44,000
within the county. So it a lot of this

3886
04:15:44,000 --> 04:15:46,640
will will be a a reshuffleling of

3887
04:15:46,640 --> 04:15:48,800
information of uh various costs from

3888
04:15:48,800 --> 04:15:51,359
other areas. But if we go into the

3889
04:15:51,359 --> 04:15:53,120
waterfall

3890
04:15:53,120 --> 04:15:55,359
uh slide and just talk about the key key

3891
04:15:55,359 --> 04:15:57,520
drivers. So this includes uh 2%

3892
04:15:57,520 --> 04:15:59,279
escalation and cost of living

3893
04:15:59,279 --> 04:16:01,199
adjustment. Many of our software

3894
04:16:01,199 --> 04:16:04,560
providers have had a higher um

3895
04:16:04,560 --> 04:16:07,600
escalation than 2%. Many are are closer

3896
04:16:07,600 --> 04:16:09,600
to five. And so if there were specific

3897
04:16:09,600 --> 04:16:11,279
contracts that were known, we did adjust

3898
04:16:11,279 --> 04:16:14,399
for the anticipated increase. Um we've

3899
04:16:14,399 --> 04:16:15,840
had some implementation of various

3900
04:16:15,840 --> 04:16:17,600
softwares including our budget software,

3901
04:16:17,600 --> 04:16:19,760
our asset maintenance software as well

3902
04:16:19,760 --> 04:16:22,239
as government frameworks. And we've just

3903
04:16:22,239 --> 04:16:24,479
looked at kind of consolidating and

3904
04:16:24,479 --> 04:16:27,439
providing opportunities for um better

3905
04:16:27,439 --> 04:16:29,199
control and containment of the various

3906
04:16:29,199 --> 04:16:30,720
softwares that we do have within the

3907
04:16:30,720 --> 04:16:33,120
county and how we redistribute those to

3908
04:16:33,120 --> 04:16:35,199
the departments through uh inter

3909
04:16:35,199 --> 04:16:40,159
departmental charges. If we go to the um

3910
04:16:40,159 --> 04:16:44,000
proposed operational projects for it uh

3911
04:16:44,000 --> 04:16:45,760
for the upcoming year, the biggest one I

3912
04:16:45,760 --> 04:16:48,560
just want to highlight is uh our need to

3913
04:16:48,560 --> 04:16:51,199
replace our enterprise resource planning

3914
04:16:51,199 --> 04:16:52,720
system which is our financial system and

3915
04:16:52,720 --> 04:16:56,479
our payroll system. Um, we received word

3916
04:16:56,479 --> 04:16:59,840
that there's end of life and so in 2026

3917
04:16:59,840 --> 04:17:01,359
we would like to begin the process of

3918
04:17:01,359 --> 04:17:03,600
putting out an RFP

3919
04:17:03,600 --> 04:17:06,399
uh for replacement of our ERP system

3920
04:17:06,399 --> 04:17:07,920
because we're going to anticipate that

3921
04:17:07,920 --> 04:17:09,359
there's going to be a lot of pressure in

3922
04:17:09,359 --> 04:17:11,040
terms of many municipalities are going

3923
04:17:11,040 --> 04:17:13,600
to need to be moving to different

3924
04:17:13,600 --> 04:17:16,720
systems and so 2028 is going to be a

3925
04:17:16,720 --> 04:17:18,319
very busy year for consultants and

3926
04:17:18,319 --> 04:17:19,439
implementation of various

3927
04:17:19,439 --> 04:17:20,640
municipalities. So, we're just trying to

3928
04:17:20,640 --> 04:17:22,640
get ahead of that to ensure that we've

3929
04:17:22,640 --> 04:17:25,840
got sufficient time to to replace that

3930
04:17:25,840 --> 04:17:29,279
system. And so, um that is included in

3931
04:17:29,279 --> 04:17:30,880
the budget. And we'll talk more about

3932
04:17:30,880 --> 04:17:33,279
those IT projects, uh when we jump into

3933
04:17:33,279 --> 04:17:36,000
capital, assuming if we do that today or

3934
04:17:36,000 --> 04:17:43,349
on Monday.

3935
04:17:43,359 --> 04:17:48,000
» Just out of curiosity, new resource

3936
04:17:48,000 --> 04:17:51,349
that

3937
04:17:51,359 --> 04:17:53,040
It's the financial system and payroll

3938
04:17:53,040 --> 04:18:02,229
system for the county. Yeah.

3939
04:18:02,239 --> 04:18:04,080
» Uh the final one I'd like to talk about

3940
04:18:04,080 --> 04:18:05,840
within corporate services is assessment

3941
04:18:05,840 --> 04:18:10,880
services. Uh so recently we were in

3942
04:18:10,880 --> 04:18:14,399
front of council to um discuss

3943
04:18:14,399 --> 04:18:17,680
transitioning to third-party assessment

3944
04:18:17,680 --> 04:18:20,960
services uh based on some planned

3945
04:18:20,960 --> 04:18:23,439
retirements at the at the county. And so

3946
04:18:23,439 --> 04:18:26,880
this is really about this is 2026 will

3947
04:18:26,880 --> 04:18:28,960
be a a transition year for assessment

3948
04:18:28,960 --> 04:18:31,120
services in terms of this how we provide

3949
04:18:31,120 --> 04:18:33,760
that. Um and so there's some transition

3950
04:18:33,760 --> 04:18:36,000
planning and so there's a lot it's a

3951
04:18:36,000 --> 04:18:38,080
little bit more complicated next year

3952
04:18:38,080 --> 04:18:39,920
than or proposed to be more complicated

3953
04:18:39,920 --> 04:18:42,080
next year than it will be going forward

3954
04:18:42,080 --> 04:18:44,479
just given those transitions. So really

3955
04:18:44,479 --> 04:18:46,159
assessment services provides the

3956
04:18:46,159 --> 04:18:48,080
property values for residential farmland

3957
04:18:48,080 --> 04:18:50,880
commercial properties. Uh the county uh

3958
04:18:50,880 --> 04:18:52,800
coordinates receiving all of this

3959
04:18:52,800 --> 04:18:54,560
information from the province for linear

3960
04:18:54,560 --> 04:18:57,680
properties and it's just about providing

3961
04:18:57,680 --> 04:19:00,479
um ensuring that we're using market

3962
04:19:00,479 --> 04:19:03,279
values, regulated regulatory rates and

3963
04:19:03,279 --> 04:19:04,800
um

3964
04:19:04,800 --> 04:19:06,479
agricultural values depending on

3965
04:19:06,479 --> 04:19:08,880
provincial legislation. And so this is

3966
04:19:08,880 --> 04:19:12,080
really um designated by the municipal

3967
04:19:12,080 --> 04:19:13,520
government act in terms of the

3968
04:19:13,520 --> 04:19:16,319
regulations and uh Alberta assessment

3969
04:19:16,319 --> 04:19:17,920
standards.

3970
04:19:17,920 --> 04:19:20,479
So if you look at the overall summary uh

3971
04:19:20,479 --> 04:19:22,560
for cost, you'll see some increases in

3972
04:19:22,560 --> 04:19:25,040
terms of the general and general

3973
04:19:25,040 --> 04:19:27,840
services in contract based on us

3974
04:19:27,840 --> 04:19:29,680
shifting from in-house assessment

3975
04:19:29,680 --> 04:19:32,960
services to an external third party. So

3976
04:19:32,960 --> 04:19:34,479
you'll see in the first uh the

3977
04:19:34,479 --> 04:19:38,000
comparison of 2025 to 2026 that this is

3978
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:40,800
a transition year uh in in anticipation

3979
04:19:40,800 --> 04:19:44,239
of our county assessor retiring. And so

3980
04:19:44,239 --> 04:19:48,159
this will be uh the year of of getting

3981
04:19:48,159 --> 04:19:51,040
all of that knowledge and of of that

3982
04:19:51,040 --> 04:19:53,359
information and ensuring that we have

3983
04:19:53,359 --> 04:19:55,760
all of the structures and systems and

3984
04:19:55,760 --> 04:19:58,239
processes in place that we will be able

3985
04:19:58,239 --> 04:20:00,159
to kind of divide what would be

3986
04:20:00,159 --> 04:20:02,159
internally continued to be provided

3987
04:20:02,159 --> 04:20:03,680
versus what would be provided by this

3988
04:20:03,680 --> 04:20:07,120
third party. And so then after 2026,

3989
04:20:07,120 --> 04:20:09,840
you'll see some savings uh in terms of

3990
04:20:09,840 --> 04:20:13,760
comparison for 2027 as we um adjust to

3991
04:20:13,760 --> 04:20:16,239
this new way of providing assessment

3992
04:20:16,239 --> 04:20:18,159
services for the county. So that change

3993
04:20:18,159 --> 04:20:22,000
is reflected there. Um again, all of the

3994
04:20:22,000 --> 04:20:27,520
similar kind of 2% escalation um and

3995
04:20:27,520 --> 04:20:30,479
just some obviously the outsourcing of

3996
04:20:30,479 --> 04:20:32,960
of the contract. And then as we look

3997
04:20:32,960 --> 04:20:35,439
forward, we would would see some of

3998
04:20:35,439 --> 04:20:37,439
those reductions in the in the previous

3999
04:20:37,439 --> 04:20:39,120
years.

4000
04:20:39,120 --> 04:20:51,030
And that is it for corporate services.

4001
04:20:51,040 --> 04:20:53,830
» That's correct.

4002
04:20:53,840 --> 04:20:55,520
Um so

4003
04:20:55,520 --> 04:20:58,950
>> so that is a

4004
04:20:58,950 --> 04:20:58,960
» so that is a

4005
04:20:58,960 --> 04:21:01,359
anticipation that we're going to have

4006
04:21:01,359 --> 04:21:05,760
some services that were provided um

4007
04:21:05,760 --> 04:21:08,000
because of in-house and there's just

4008
04:21:08,000 --> 04:21:10,399
some uncertainty about what what will be

4009
04:21:10,399 --> 04:21:13,520
done in terms of dividing between the

4010
04:21:13,520 --> 04:21:15,520
third party provider and what will

4011
04:21:15,520 --> 04:21:18,399
continue to be provided inhouse. So, for

4012
04:21:18,399 --> 04:21:20,399
example, when a call comes in for an

4013
04:21:20,399 --> 04:21:23,439
assessment question, we feel those calls

4014
04:21:23,439 --> 04:21:26,479
still depending on if it's about the,

4015
04:21:26,479 --> 04:21:28,720
you know, they need a reprint of their

4016
04:21:28,720 --> 04:21:31,520
bill and or if they need an updated

4017
04:21:31,520 --> 04:21:33,520
address and that sort of thing versus

4018
04:21:33,520 --> 04:21:36,479
what services um the third party would

4019
04:21:36,479 --> 04:21:38,880
provide in terms of specifics about

4020
04:21:38,880 --> 04:21:41,439
their assessment value and also just

4021
04:21:41,439 --> 04:21:43,760
like system uploads into our financial

4022
04:21:43,760 --> 04:21:46,319
system, the printing of the of the

4023
04:21:46,319 --> 04:21:48,239
documentation. And so just because of

4024
04:21:48,239 --> 04:21:50,399
that uncertainty, we've earmarked some

4025
04:21:50,399 --> 04:21:53,760
dollars um in 2027 which we will need to

4026
04:21:53,760 --> 04:21:55,840
revisit after we completely understand

4027
04:21:55,840 --> 04:21:58,560
what those impa implications will be in

4028
04:21:58,560 --> 04:22:01,590
2026.

4029
04:22:01,600 --> 04:22:02,960
» Yeah. One thing that we've seen like a

4030
04:22:02,960 --> 04:22:04,399
lot of municipalities with our size will

4031
04:22:04,399 --> 04:22:05,680
have especially those clerks like we've

4032
04:22:05,680 --> 04:22:07,520
got tax and utilities consolidated right

4033
04:22:07,520 --> 04:22:10,000
now because we have in-house assessment.

4034
04:22:10,000 --> 04:22:12,880
We don't know is the biggest answer. We

4035
04:22:12,880 --> 04:22:14,720
don't know what the actual human

4036
04:22:14,720 --> 04:22:17,439
resource capacity is in turn. That might

4037
04:22:17,439 --> 04:22:19,199
be high. It might go to zero. It might

4038
04:22:19,199 --> 04:22:21,600
be we need a little bit more. It's a

4039
04:22:21,600 --> 04:22:24,080
placeholder for consideration in 2728 as

4040
04:22:24,080 --> 04:22:26,159
we navigate this transition essentially

4041
04:22:26,159 --> 04:22:29,040
to to further understand what aspects

4042
04:22:29,040 --> 04:22:30,880
are transitioning and what type of

4043
04:22:30,880 --> 04:22:33,040
administrative support less provides

4044
04:22:33,040 --> 04:22:35,520
currently in his current role. It's just

4045
04:22:35,520 --> 04:22:38,080
a we have to go through this first

4046
04:22:38,080 --> 04:22:43,510
before we can answer that.

4047
04:22:43,520 --> 04:22:53,670
Okay.

4048
04:22:53,680 --> 04:22:56,239
» Yeah. Roll up your sleeves, everyone.

4049
04:22:56,239 --> 04:22:58,080
Let's go talk.

4050
04:22:58,080 --> 04:23:01,030
>> Let's go

4051
04:23:01,030 --> 04:23:01,040
» Let's go

4052
04:23:01,040 --> 04:23:03,439
guys. I didn't realize I need to be

4053
04:23:03,439 --> 04:23:07,279
grandstanded. Oh, yeah. Great.

4054
04:23:07,279 --> 04:23:13,030
>> Good afternoon, council.

4055
04:23:13,040 --> 04:23:15,279
So, council, I'll just uh briefly uh

4056
04:23:15,279 --> 04:23:17,520
briefly go over uh what emergency

4057
04:23:17,520 --> 04:23:19,439
services encompasses. So, fire and

4058
04:23:19,439 --> 04:23:21,359
emergency response, our newly

4059
04:23:21,359 --> 04:23:22,720
implemented regional emergency

4060
04:23:22,720 --> 04:23:24,960
management partnership, uh the community

4061
04:23:24,960 --> 04:23:26,640
peace officer program, and also included

4062
04:23:26,640 --> 04:23:28,479
here is the budget for our provincial uh

4063
04:23:28,479 --> 04:23:30,720
policing requisition.

4064
04:23:30,720 --> 04:23:32,720
For the purposes of this budget, um

4065
04:23:32,720 --> 04:23:34,479
we're going to be doing a consolidation

4066
04:23:34,479 --> 04:23:38,710
of all of those together.

4067
04:23:38,720 --> 04:23:41,279
So in the revenue side on this slide

4068
04:23:41,279 --> 04:23:44,479
you'll show that our 2025 budget you

4069
04:23:44,479 --> 04:23:46,000
approved last year along with the

4070
04:23:46,000 --> 04:23:48,479
proposed budget for 26 to 28 for your

4071
04:23:48,479 --> 04:23:51,199
consideration. Under the revenue we

4072
04:23:51,199 --> 04:23:52,800
adjusted our projected revenues for

4073
04:23:52,800 --> 04:23:55,040
sales and uh of goods and services to

4074
04:23:55,040 --> 04:23:57,279
align more closely with our actual trend

4075
04:23:57,279 --> 04:24:00,080
over the last few years. Uh we left the

4076
04:24:00,080 --> 04:24:01,680
forecast for the fines and penalties

4077
04:24:01,680 --> 04:24:03,279
unchanged.

4078
04:24:03,279 --> 04:24:05,439
And you'll notice that in 2026 the

4079
04:24:05,439 --> 04:24:07,199
transfers from the reserves increased

4080
04:24:07,199 --> 04:24:10,000
quite a bit. However, these dollars uh

4081
04:24:10,000 --> 04:24:12,000
have been accumulating in the reserve

4082
04:24:12,000 --> 04:24:13,760
account for over the last few years uh

4083
04:24:13,760 --> 04:24:15,680
to pay for new fire equipment as it

4084
04:24:15,680 --> 04:24:18,159
reaches its end of life cycle and it

4085
04:24:18,159 --> 04:24:21,120
shows the withdrawal for that purpose.

4086
04:24:21,120 --> 04:24:23,199
So the expenditures uh on the

4087
04:24:23,199 --> 04:24:25,040
expenditures side uh you'll notice that

4088
04:24:25,040 --> 04:24:27,920
there is an increase from 2025 to 2026

4089
04:24:27,920 --> 04:24:30,880
before it begins to drop down and uh

4090
04:24:30,880 --> 04:24:33,920
using the waterfall on the next page. Um

4091
04:24:33,920 --> 04:24:35,279
I'll explain that in a little more

4092
04:24:35,279 --> 04:24:37,920
detail. Any questions on that slide at

4093
04:24:37,920 --> 04:24:42,309
all?

4094
04:24:42,319 --> 04:24:43,279
» Sure.

4095
04:24:43,279 --> 04:24:46,950
>> Hi. Thanks. Um could you maybe just uh

4096
04:24:46,950 --> 04:24:46,960
» Hi. Thanks. Um could you maybe just uh

4097
04:24:46,960 --> 04:24:50,159
touch base on what uh the projection

4098
04:24:50,159 --> 04:24:53,040
821,000 sales of goods and services

4099
04:24:53,040 --> 04:24:57,199
where we collect that money from?

4100
04:24:57,199 --> 04:24:59,030
>> Uh

4101
04:24:59,030 --> 04:24:59,040
» Uh

4102
04:24:59,040 --> 04:25:03,040
do you want to comment on that?

4103
04:25:03,040 --> 04:25:05,910
>> Okay.

4104
04:25:05,910 --> 04:25:05,920
» Okay.

4105
04:25:05,920 --> 04:25:11,680
So, we collect money when there's a fire

4106
04:25:11,680 --> 04:25:14,000
response and then we use that to pay our

4107
04:25:14,000 --> 04:25:16,000
service providers.

4108
04:25:16,000 --> 04:25:19,680
We reviewed the last couple of years or

4109
04:25:19,680 --> 04:25:22,239
through the reef to council coopers. We

4110
04:25:22,239 --> 04:25:24,720
reviewed the last couple of years. We

4111
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:29,359
decreased the expected revenue by

4112
04:25:29,359 --> 04:25:31,680
$50,000. We believe that it's a more

4113
04:25:31,680 --> 04:25:34,560
accurate but conservative amount to use

4114
04:25:34,560 --> 04:25:39,030
for our budget.

4115
04:25:39,040 --> 04:25:47,110
» Okay.

4116
04:25:47,120 --> 04:25:49,199
» I don't know what's going on, you guys.

4117
04:25:49,199 --> 04:25:52,708
Just must be

4118
04:25:52,708 --> 04:26:02,070
[laughter]

4119
04:26:02,080 --> 04:26:04,880
All right. [laughter]

4120
04:26:04,880 --> 04:26:06,800
So, uh I know you're familiar with the

4121
04:26:06,800 --> 04:26:10,080
waterfall falls um graphs from before.

4122
04:26:10,080 --> 04:26:12,159
So, uh I'll just cover off the key

4123
04:26:12,159 --> 04:26:14,399
messages here. So, number one, our

4124
04:26:14,399 --> 04:26:15,920
provincial policing requisition is

4125
04:26:15,920 --> 04:26:18,720
expected to increase by 57%.

4126
04:26:18,720 --> 04:26:21,279
We currently pay approximately $700,000

4127
04:26:21,279 --> 04:26:23,120
per year. We expect this cost to

4128
04:26:23,120 --> 04:26:25,680
increase to $1.2 $2 million per year.

4129
04:26:25,680 --> 04:26:27,520
The waterfall shows that there's a

4130
04:26:27,520 --> 04:26:29,359
$376,000

4131
04:26:29,359 --> 04:26:30,880
increase.

4132
04:26:30,880 --> 04:26:34,080
Second key was during 2025, we stood up

4133
04:26:34,080 --> 04:26:36,159
our uh regional emergency management

4134
04:26:36,159 --> 04:26:37,760
initiative in collaboration with our

4135
04:26:37,760 --> 04:26:39,359
municipal partners, which was a great

4136
04:26:39,359 --> 04:26:41,359
initiative. We wanted to show the total

4137
04:26:41,359 --> 04:26:44,720
cost of our program here of $198,000.

4138
04:26:44,720 --> 04:26:47,040
We show our portion of uh regional

4139
04:26:47,040 --> 04:26:48,800
emergency management included in the

4140
04:26:48,800 --> 04:26:50,640
green bucket as a transfer of

4141
04:26:50,640 --> 04:26:52,800
departments.

4142
04:26:52,800 --> 04:26:54,960
Third point, uh you'll notice a small

4143
04:26:54,960 --> 04:26:57,120
increase of $28,000 for transfers to

4144
04:26:57,120 --> 04:26:58,640
reserve so that we ensure that we are

4145
04:26:58,640 --> 04:27:00,080
putting enough money in for future

4146
04:27:00,080 --> 04:27:03,199
capital equipment purchases.

4147
04:27:03,199 --> 04:27:05,600
Story on the IT allocation is you've

4148
04:27:05,600 --> 04:27:07,199
heard it a couple times already

4149
04:27:07,199 --> 04:27:09,520
throughout the budget. Uh it's the same

4150
04:27:09,520 --> 04:27:12,640
as other departments. And uh the piece

4151
04:27:12,640 --> 04:27:14,080
that you're probably most interested in

4152
04:27:14,080 --> 04:27:17,120
is the big red fire engine red uh bar

4153
04:27:17,120 --> 04:27:18,880
which represents changes to our

4154
04:27:18,880 --> 04:27:20,640
contracted fire service agreements with

4155
04:27:20,640 --> 04:27:23,279
our municipal partners along with as we

4156
04:27:23,279 --> 04:27:25,120
discussed in our previous slide money

4157
04:27:25,120 --> 04:27:26,880
we've moved from our reserves to pay for

4158
04:27:26,880 --> 04:27:28,560
our portion of capital expenses

4159
04:27:28,560 --> 04:27:31,680
including the new fire engine in cold.

4160
04:27:31,680 --> 04:27:34,000
These capital costs in 2026 are offset

4161
04:27:34,000 --> 04:27:36,479
by corresponding decreases in 2027 and

4162
04:27:36,479 --> 04:27:38,720
2028 before the budget settles down back

4163
04:27:38,720 --> 04:27:42,800
in about approximately 3.8 8 million uh

4164
04:27:42,800 --> 04:27:46,239
per year in 2028. We expect this to be

4165
04:27:46,239 --> 04:27:47,920
the new norm with the regional emergency

4166
04:27:47,920 --> 04:27:50,080
management and cost increases to the

4167
04:27:50,080 --> 04:27:52,640
provincial police requisition. All all

4168
04:27:52,640 --> 04:27:54,560
in.

4169
04:27:54,560 --> 04:27:57,040
So with that, I know that's pretty

4170
04:27:57,040 --> 04:28:03,349
short, but if do you have any questions?

4171
04:28:03,359 --> 04:28:06,640
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh so the big the

4172
04:28:06,640 --> 04:28:08,560
big bubble there was really just us

4173
04:28:08,560 --> 04:28:11,040
getting out of capital on our our fire

4174
04:28:11,040 --> 04:28:14,239
services contract.

4175
04:28:14,239 --> 04:28:15,110
>> Go ahead.

4176
04:28:15,110 --> 04:28:15,120
» Go ahead.

4177
04:28:15,120 --> 04:28:16,790
>> Yeah. Through the chair to deputy ree

4178
04:28:16,790 --> 04:28:16,800
» Yeah. Through the chair to deputy ree

4179
04:28:16,800 --> 04:28:19,600
kerbass. So um that is part of it. Part

4180
04:28:19,600 --> 04:28:22,479
of it is is uh we remain committed to

4181
04:28:22,479 --> 04:28:24,159
capital at least under our current

4182
04:28:24,159 --> 04:28:26,399
agreements um in a few municipalities

4183
04:28:26,399 --> 04:28:28,159
and other ones. It was always the

4184
04:28:28,159 --> 04:28:29,840
intention. We've just frontloaded that

4185
04:28:29,840 --> 04:28:31,600
contribution for a couple of those. So

4186
04:28:31,600 --> 04:28:33,520
that also includes the contribution to

4187
04:28:33,520 --> 04:28:36,159
Colddale for the fire uh engine rescue

4188
04:28:36,159 --> 04:28:39,680
which we continue to be a partner in in

4189
04:28:39,680 --> 04:28:42,640
that under that agreement. So yes but it

4190
04:28:42,640 --> 04:28:44,640
only partially about twothirds of that

4191
04:28:44,640 --> 04:28:46,000
contribution would be that and then one

4192
04:28:46,000 --> 04:28:48,239
third would be the other.

4193
04:28:48,239 --> 04:28:51,670
>> Perfect. Thank you.

4194
04:28:51,670 --> 04:28:51,680
» Perfect. Thank you.

4195
04:28:51,680 --> 04:28:55,110
>> Anything else for you?

4196
04:28:55,110 --> 04:28:55,120
» Anything else for you?

4197
04:28:55,120 --> 04:28:59,189
>> Thank you very much.

4198
04:28:59,199 --> 04:29:15,030
» Thank you.

4199
04:29:15,040 --> 04:29:17,070
All right, we'll move into growth

4200
04:29:17,070 --> 04:29:19,199
[clears throat] and engagement. Uh so as

4201
04:29:19,199 --> 04:29:21,600
this this department uh we've

4202
04:29:21,600 --> 04:29:23,840
consolidated it also includes marketing

4203
04:29:23,840 --> 04:29:26,560
and communications. So, the growth and

4204
04:29:26,560 --> 04:29:28,960
engagement portion, um, I know we've had

4205
04:29:28,960 --> 04:29:30,319
this conversation with council a number

4206
04:29:30,319 --> 04:29:32,479
of months ago, is a new initiative in

4207
04:29:32,479 --> 04:29:34,720
our efforts to strengthen our regional

4208
04:29:34,720 --> 04:29:36,640
economy, support local business, and

4209
04:29:36,640 --> 04:29:38,239
position the county for long-term

4210
04:29:38,239 --> 04:29:41,199
sustainable prosperity. So, this isn't

4211
04:29:41,199 --> 04:29:42,479
just economic development. It's

4212
04:29:42,479 --> 04:29:43,680
investment attraction, business

4213
04:29:43,680 --> 04:29:45,840
retention, expansion, stakeholder

4214
04:29:45,840 --> 04:29:48,080
engagement, intergovernmental relations,

4215
04:29:48,080 --> 04:29:49,840
and strategic partnerships to help

4216
04:29:49,840 --> 04:29:51,840
advance our overall economic

4217
04:29:51,840 --> 04:29:53,359
opportunities.

4218
04:29:53,359 --> 04:29:55,439
And then it is like I mentioned the

4219
04:29:55,439 --> 04:29:57,279
communications and marketing department

4220
04:29:57,279 --> 04:30:00,080
as well which is responsible for the

4221
04:30:00,080 --> 04:30:01,760
county's brand public and engagement

4222
04:30:01,760 --> 04:30:03,920
issue management and outreach efforts.

4223
04:30:03,920 --> 04:30:06,800
So we'll move into the department. We've

4224
04:30:06,800 --> 04:30:09,199
split this one in a couple ways and

4225
04:30:09,199 --> 04:30:10,880
we'll get into it in the waterfall. The

4226
04:30:10,880 --> 04:30:12,319
big addition here is the consolidation

4227
04:30:12,319 --> 04:30:15,199
of growth and engagement which includes

4228
04:30:15,199 --> 04:30:16,880
um an allowance. A lot of our grant

4229
04:30:16,880 --> 04:30:18,640
applications

4230
04:30:18,640 --> 04:30:20,159
a lot of our grant applications we've

4231
04:30:20,159 --> 04:30:21,680
just put an earmark there on some of

4232
04:30:21,680 --> 04:30:23,680
those. We've got Southgrow contribution

4233
04:30:23,680 --> 04:30:26,560
which increased by about 50% this year.

4234
04:30:26,560 --> 04:30:30,800
Um we've got um uh obviously the the

4235
04:30:30,800 --> 04:30:32,720
corresponding salaries and initiatives

4236
04:30:32,720 --> 04:30:34,800
and then there's some of it is an

4237
04:30:34,800 --> 04:30:36,319
earmark as we proceed with some of the

4238
04:30:36,319 --> 04:30:37,359
grants that are coming forward to

4239
04:30:37,359 --> 04:30:39,680
council on December 4th and that we

4240
04:30:39,680 --> 04:30:41,120
discussed at the last council meeting.

4241
04:30:41,120 --> 04:30:42,960
There is a matching contribution there.

4242
04:30:42,960 --> 04:30:45,040
So we put some earmarked funds aside.

4243
04:30:45,040 --> 04:30:46,640
Whether they're fully covered here or

4244
04:30:46,640 --> 04:30:49,120
not, we'll understand better once we we

4245
04:30:49,120 --> 04:30:50,960
find out what we get traction with.

4246
04:30:50,960 --> 04:30:52,800
Other than that, we've continued with

4247
04:30:52,800 --> 04:30:55,120
the deep roots bright future video

4248
04:30:55,120 --> 04:30:56,720
series. We've got a lot of traction

4249
04:30:56,720 --> 04:30:58,479
there. We've consolidated our

4250
04:30:58,479 --> 04:31:01,920
advertising budget to in a similar vein

4251
04:31:01,920 --> 04:31:03,680
as we did with it to give more

4252
04:31:03,680 --> 04:31:05,279
responsibility to the subject matter

4253
04:31:05,279 --> 04:31:07,680
experts to help us navigate and make the

4254
04:31:07,680 --> 04:31:09,199
best recommendations for our advertising

4255
04:31:09,199 --> 04:31:11,520
efforts for the various departments. And

4256
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:13,439
then there's a number of buckets there

4257
04:31:13,439 --> 04:31:14,960
that are kind of up and down that are

4258
04:31:14,960 --> 04:31:17,040
just minor changes. We've moved some of

4259
04:31:17,040 --> 04:31:19,359
those initiatives up and out, but

4260
04:31:19,359 --> 04:31:21,199
they're fairly nominal.

4261
04:31:21,199 --> 04:31:22,560
Is there anything the council wants to

4262
04:31:22,560 --> 04:31:32,870
discuss in detail there?

4263
04:31:32,880 --> 04:31:35,520
So this is the slide that we had before.

4264
04:31:35,520 --> 04:31:38,479
This was the summary based on what was

4265
04:31:38,479 --> 04:31:42,000
um originally proposed. I think this is

4266
04:31:42,000 --> 04:31:43,680
before we move to capital. This is the

4267
04:31:43,680 --> 04:31:46,800
time to kind of see where council's at.

4268
04:31:46,800 --> 04:31:48,000
If there's anything we want to circle

4269
04:31:48,000 --> 04:31:49,840
back to, we can go back to our parking

4270
04:31:49,840 --> 04:31:54,319
lot item up for discussion. Um, but

4271
04:31:54,319 --> 04:31:55,600
everything you've seen today, this would

4272
04:31:55,600 --> 04:31:58,000
be the the net of those revenues and

4273
04:31:58,000 --> 04:32:00,720
expenditures and projected tax rate

4274
04:32:00,720 --> 04:32:12,790
implications.

4275
04:32:12,800 --> 04:32:14,880
Sure. Do do we want to have any

4276
04:32:14,880 --> 04:32:16,479
discussion here? Whatever whatever we

4277
04:32:16,479 --> 04:32:17,680
lock in here is what will be coming

4278
04:32:17,680 --> 04:32:20,000
forward on the fourth for

4279
04:32:20,000 --> 04:32:21,600
recommendation. So I just want to make

4280
04:32:21,600 --> 04:32:23,520
sure that

4281
04:32:23,520 --> 04:32:47,590
we're good on operating

4282
04:32:47,600 --> 04:32:48,880
You know, I think what's unique this

4283
04:32:48,880 --> 04:32:50,000
year is the growth that we're

4284
04:32:50,000 --> 04:32:52,640
experiencing is not that is not just

4285
04:32:52,640 --> 04:32:54,560
assessment growth based on index

4286
04:32:54,560 --> 04:32:57,120
property values. That is primarily net

4287
04:32:57,120 --> 04:33:00,479
new growth. And so, um, some of that

4288
04:33:00,479 --> 04:33:02,960
coming online offsets what those rates

4289
04:33:02,960 --> 04:33:05,279
are. When we set that rate in April is

4290
04:33:05,279 --> 04:33:08,320
is when we talk about that that

4291
04:33:08,320 --> 04:33:09,840
distribution,

4292
04:33:09,840 --> 04:33:12,240
um, on how we want to do that. I I would

4293
04:33:12,240 --> 04:33:14,480
anticipate and I and I can't answer this

4294
04:33:14,480 --> 04:33:16,240
in earnest to say here's exactly what

4295
04:33:16,240 --> 04:33:18,240
this is once we peel that new growth out

4296
04:33:18,240 --> 04:33:20,879
because it is still a projected growth

4297
04:33:20,879 --> 04:33:22,719
at this point. We don't have all of the

4298
04:33:22,719 --> 04:33:24,240
information on some of that finalized

4299
04:33:24,240 --> 04:33:27,520
assessment. Um that we're probably

4300
04:33:27,520 --> 04:33:29,199
talking about a couple percent increase

4301
04:33:29,199 --> 04:33:30,639
across the board. how that gets

4302
04:33:30,639 --> 04:33:32,879
bucketed, if it is it more on one side

4303
04:33:32,879 --> 04:33:35,199
or less on the other from a what do you

4304
04:33:35,199 --> 04:33:38,400
see on your tax bill? That that's the

4305
04:33:38,400 --> 04:33:39,680
conversation we need to have when we set

4306
04:33:39,680 --> 04:33:51,029
those tax rates to support that.

4307
04:33:51,039 --> 04:33:53,920
Yeah, I I think our recommendation would

4308
04:33:53,920 --> 04:33:56,400
be to treat them a lot more equally this

4309
04:33:56,400 --> 04:33:58,320
year, especially based on some of the

4310
04:33:58,320 --> 04:34:01,920
other um potential advocacy efforts and

4311
04:34:01,920 --> 04:34:04,799
initiatives that council's exploring for

4312
04:34:04,799 --> 04:34:08,320
revenue um right now similar to and

4313
04:34:08,320 --> 04:34:09,760
we'll talk about it in capital even our

4314
04:34:09,760 --> 04:34:11,920
market access network and the business

4315
04:34:11,920 --> 04:34:15,920
tax um program there where I think we

4316
04:34:15,920 --> 04:34:18,639
just we plan to index it kind of across

4317
04:34:18,639 --> 04:34:20,719
the board rather than targeting egg at

4318
04:34:20,719 --> 04:34:22,639
this time until we have a better

4319
04:34:22,639 --> 04:34:27,189
understanding what those impacts are.

4320
04:34:27,199 --> 04:34:29,359
That that's kind of what I'm thinking is

4321
04:34:29,359 --> 04:34:31,199
if if that proceeds then I think it

4322
04:34:31,199 --> 04:34:33,520
would probably not make sense to index a

4323
04:34:33,520 --> 04:34:35,600
at a greater rate at this stage. If that

4324
04:34:35,600 --> 04:34:38,000
doesn't proceed then I think we'll know

4325
04:34:38,000 --> 04:34:40,000
more by April and that could change our

4326
04:34:40,000 --> 04:34:41,760
strategy at that time. And and so I

4327
04:34:41,760 --> 04:34:42,799
think that's kind of the big question

4328
04:34:42,799 --> 04:34:45,039
mark that we have to understand at this

4329
04:34:45,039 --> 04:34:57,109
stage.

4330
04:34:57,119 --> 04:34:58,561
I think if if you guys want to tackle

4331
04:34:58,561 --> 04:35:00,480
it, we can. I know Haley's pulled some

4332
04:35:00,480 --> 04:35:03,359
numbers. I mean, we have we would have

4333
04:35:03,359 --> 04:35:05,920
to do some more vetting if you want to

4334
04:35:05,920 --> 04:35:08,480
truly subsidize it to understand what

4335
04:35:08,480 --> 04:35:10,000
the

4336
04:35:10,000 --> 04:35:14,000
um the total would be. Now, just on our

4337
04:35:14,000 --> 04:35:16,480
MG30 side, it was like for what they pay

4338
04:35:16,480 --> 04:35:17,920
for the dust suppression that we had

4339
04:35:17,920 --> 04:35:20,080
calculated previously was covering. If

4340
04:35:20,080 --> 04:35:21,359
we were just to say we're adding a

4341
04:35:21,359 --> 04:35:22,959
second application, I think it's fair to

4342
04:35:22,959 --> 04:35:24,320
assume it would be in and around that

4343
04:35:24,320 --> 04:35:26,000
$500,000.

4344
04:35:26,000 --> 04:35:30,160
I I would be reluctant to do that. What

4345
04:35:30,160 --> 04:35:32,959
I would rather see us do is add the

4346
04:35:32,959 --> 04:35:35,359
second application at a paid rate. We go

4347
04:35:35,359 --> 04:35:36,400
back and we figure out what that

4348
04:35:36,400 --> 04:35:38,959
secondary rate needs to be based on some

4349
04:35:38,959 --> 04:35:40,320
of the calculations that they've done to

4350
04:35:40,320 --> 04:35:41,920
date that gets incorporated or tweaked

4351
04:35:41,920 --> 04:35:43,279
in the schedule of fees before we roll

4352
04:35:43,279 --> 04:35:45,520
out that form. Figure out the value

4353
04:35:45,520 --> 04:35:47,600
proposition there and the uptake and

4354
04:35:47,600 --> 04:35:49,760
then if it has the impact and we want to

4355
04:35:49,760 --> 04:35:50,959
continue with that. I think it's a lot

4356
04:35:50,959 --> 04:35:53,439
easier to say we would then subsidize

4357
04:35:53,439 --> 04:35:56,320
that or or look to add that for free. I

4358
04:35:56,320 --> 04:35:57,600
think it's a lot harder to add it for

4359
04:35:57,600 --> 04:36:00,320
free at this stage.

4360
04:36:00,320 --> 04:36:02,561
I mean, open to the discussion. It's

4361
04:36:02,561 --> 04:36:05,199
it's a council decision. It's just a

4362
04:36:05,199 --> 04:36:07,039
it's not a small amount of money.

4363
04:36:07,039 --> 04:36:08,551
>> I would I would maybe start at the

4364
04:36:08,551 --> 04:36:08,561
» I would I would maybe start at the

4365
04:36:08,561 --> 04:36:10,240
beginning.

4366
04:36:10,240 --> 04:36:13,039
Is there an appetite from council to

4367
04:36:13,039 --> 04:36:14,719
provide

4368
04:36:14,719 --> 04:36:17,680
dust control, dust suppression

4369
04:36:17,680 --> 04:36:20,719
option to our residents? Is that is that

4370
04:36:20,719 --> 04:36:22,639
a level of service that we want to

4371
04:36:22,639 --> 04:36:25,590
>> just overall is this a program that we

4372
04:36:25,590 --> 04:36:25,600
» just overall is this a program that we

4373
04:36:25,600 --> 04:36:27,119
Maybe we need to provide a level of

4374
04:36:27,119 --> 04:36:31,910
service for

4375
04:36:31,920 --> 04:36:35,039
Is there an appetite to explore a second

4376
04:36:35,039 --> 04:36:37,680
application?

4377
04:36:37,680 --> 04:36:40,869
>> Yes. Okay. Then I move to Eric's

4378
04:36:40,869 --> 04:36:40,879
» Yes. Okay. Then I move to Eric's

4379
04:36:40,879 --> 04:36:43,039
question. I guess is that something the

4380
04:36:43,039 --> 04:36:45,520
council would entertain

4381
04:36:45,520 --> 04:37:04,070
uh subsidizing that second application

4382
04:37:04,080 --> 04:37:18,869
I I'd like to

4383
04:37:18,879 --> 04:37:20,799
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think I could

4384
04:37:20,799 --> 04:37:22,799
see people wanting people that want the

4385
04:37:22,799 --> 04:37:24,719
second application would be willing to

4386
04:37:24,719 --> 04:37:26,080
pay for it. That's why they would go for

4387
04:37:26,080 --> 04:37:28,320
it. So I don't see us to me it would

4388
04:37:28,320 --> 04:37:30,160
just keep the two same and if you

4389
04:37:30,160 --> 04:37:31,279
subsidize the second one they're going

4390
04:37:31,279 --> 04:37:33,119
to go aren't you subsidizing the first

4391
04:37:33,119 --> 04:37:35,840
it just so if we can come up with a few

4392
04:37:35,840 --> 04:37:37,840
structures so that you give pe people

4393
04:37:37,840 --> 04:37:39,199
the option of having a second and if

4394
04:37:39,199 --> 04:37:40,320
they do this is what's going to cost

4395
04:37:40,320 --> 04:37:44,080
them. So come up with those numbers.

4396
04:37:44,080 --> 04:37:47,029
>> Thank you Mr. Chair. I first of all I

4397
04:37:47,029 --> 04:37:47,039
» Thank you Mr. Chair. I first of all I

4398
04:37:47,039 --> 04:37:48,400
believe in the program but I believe

4399
04:37:48,400 --> 04:37:52,320
that the program needs to be reworked so

4400
04:37:52,320 --> 04:37:57,119
that it's uh um well so that we generate

4401
04:37:57,119 --> 04:37:58,561
less complaints so we do a better job

4402
04:37:58,561 --> 04:37:59,760
with it. I think if we're going to do

4403
04:37:59,760 --> 04:38:01,199
something, we need to do a good job of

4404
04:38:01,199 --> 04:38:04,320
it. And I think, you know, providing a

4405
04:38:04,320 --> 04:38:06,240
session an application is definitely

4406
04:38:06,240 --> 04:38:08,561
merited. But I believe that the program

4407
04:38:08,561 --> 04:38:12,240
should fund itself through through the

4408
04:38:12,240 --> 04:38:14,320
contribution from those that support it

4409
04:38:14,320 --> 04:38:18,561
because I that's the way it is right now

4410
04:38:18,561 --> 04:38:21,680
um for the most part. And I I think it's

4411
04:38:21,680 --> 04:38:23,199
important to make sure that the people

4412
04:38:23,199 --> 04:38:25,840
that that choose not to have dust

4413
04:38:25,840 --> 04:38:28,639
control don't subsidize the people that

4414
04:38:28,639 --> 04:38:31,199
do.

4415
04:38:31,199 --> 04:38:33,109
>> I basically agree with what John says. I

4416
04:38:33,109 --> 04:38:33,119
» I basically agree with what John says. I

4417
04:38:33,119 --> 04:38:36,080
think if you uh uh include it all in one

4418
04:38:36,080 --> 04:38:37,760
package, you'll be doing the same amount

4419
04:38:37,760 --> 04:38:40,320
you did in the spring because everybody

4420
04:38:40,320 --> 04:38:42,719
will want it done. So that just cuts

4421
04:38:42,719 --> 04:38:45,680
into our time, too. So jobs that other

4422
04:38:45,680 --> 04:38:49,199
jobs need to be done.

4423
04:38:49,199 --> 04:38:51,199
I want to maybe push back a little bit,

4424
04:38:51,199 --> 04:38:53,039
John.

4425
04:38:53,039 --> 04:38:55,119
It is about matching expectations

4426
04:38:55,119 --> 04:38:56,561
whether it's dust control, dust

4427
04:38:56,561 --> 04:38:58,080
suppression.

4428
04:38:58,080 --> 04:39:00,080
I do I think that across the board there

4429
04:39:00,080 --> 04:39:02,160
is there's something to be said for how

4430
04:39:02,160 --> 04:39:03,840
the program is delivered. I think the

4431
04:39:03,840 --> 04:39:05,279
expectations of the program are the

4432
04:39:05,279 --> 04:39:07,680
biggest limitations to it. It's what it

4433
04:39:07,680 --> 04:39:11,680
is. It's suppression and it we live in a

4434
04:39:11,680 --> 04:39:14,400
desert with high high load high

4435
04:39:14,400 --> 04:39:15,920
intensity traffic and I think it's

4436
04:39:15,920 --> 04:39:18,480
trying to I don't know how we

4437
04:39:18,480 --> 04:39:20,480
expectations because I think there's an

4438
04:39:20,480 --> 04:39:22,160
element of well you didn't do this you

4439
04:39:22,160 --> 04:39:24,480
didn't do that but at the end of the day

4440
04:39:24,480 --> 04:39:26,879
it is it's not the silver goal it's like

4441
04:39:26,879 --> 04:39:28,400
well I do appreciate what you're saying

4442
04:39:28,400 --> 04:39:31,920
I think it is our messaging has to be

4443
04:39:31,920 --> 04:39:33,600
spot on clear and what it is and what it

4444
04:39:33,600 --> 04:39:35,119
isn't I think we have to be very clear

4445
04:39:35,119 --> 04:39:37,360
from what the application is when the

4446
04:39:37,360 --> 04:39:39,920
windows of application are

4447
04:39:39,920 --> 04:39:42,080
and the fact that we're going to break

4448
04:39:42,080 --> 04:39:45,760
through those when we have to not

4449
04:39:45,760 --> 04:39:48,638
as long as we're hearing that and We as

4450
04:39:48,638 --> 04:39:50,718
council have the same as administration.

4451
04:39:50,718 --> 04:39:54,798
I think we have to proceed

4452
04:39:54,798 --> 04:40:00,080
in aligned fashion, but it's tough.

4453
04:40:00,080 --> 04:40:02,080
I would say that's valid. I think, you

4454
04:40:02,080 --> 04:40:04,000
know, maybe that's part of it, you know,

4455
04:40:04,000 --> 04:40:06,080
in terms of of getting the message out

4456
04:40:06,080 --> 04:40:08,480
there of us doing a better job with the

4457
04:40:08,480 --> 04:40:11,360
program is is, you know, making sure

4458
04:40:11,360 --> 04:40:13,120
that people understand what it is that

4459
04:40:13,120 --> 04:40:14,958
they're getting. So, I think that's a

4460
04:40:14,958 --> 04:40:18,480
very valid point.

4461
04:40:18,480 --> 04:40:19,520
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4462
04:40:19,520 --> 04:40:20,948
>> Yes, it's calculated.

4463
04:40:20,948 --> 04:40:20,958
» Yes, it's calculated.

4464
04:40:20,958 --> 04:40:23,110
>> Yeah, I'm trying.

4465
04:40:23,110 --> 04:40:23,120
» Yeah, I'm trying.

4466
04:40:23,120 --> 04:40:24,638
Um,

4467
04:40:24,638 --> 04:40:26,480
realistic numbers what I see when I'm

4468
04:40:26,480 --> 04:40:29,840
out there up and down my road. I buy 300

4469
04:40:29,840 --> 04:40:31,360
m.

4470
04:40:31,360 --> 04:40:33,360
I do uh I have work to deal with

4471
04:40:33,360 --> 04:40:35,680
neighbors, so I buy 300 m. I buy 100 of

4472
04:40:35,680 --> 04:40:39,360
their meters at uh at the $65.

4473
04:40:39,360 --> 04:40:41,520
So, that's $1,950

4474
04:40:41,520 --> 04:40:44,560
for my 300 m.

4475
04:40:44,560 --> 04:40:48,798
Uh, it lasts in all reality 1 to 4 weeks

4476
04:40:48,798 --> 04:40:53,600
of good suppression.

4477
04:40:53,600 --> 04:40:56,240
If I got to double that

4478
04:40:56,240 --> 04:41:00,000
to get 8 weeks of suppression of good,

4479
04:41:00,000 --> 04:41:04,230
heavily effective, I'm at $3,900,

4480
04:41:04,240 --> 04:41:05,840
but that's on our what I'm going to call

4481
04:41:05,840 --> 04:41:08,320
better. I also had complaints and I saw

4482
04:41:08,320 --> 04:41:11,120
it come that one week of the nurh hall

4483
04:41:11,120 --> 04:41:13,760
over it. The guy says, "I put nine or he

4484
04:41:13,760 --> 04:41:17,680
had the lower amount, so whatever. 200.

4485
04:41:17,680 --> 04:41:21,440
He put $1,300 out for one week of use,

4486
04:41:21,440 --> 04:41:24,000
cost per day,

4487
04:41:24,000 --> 04:41:26,560
uh, effectiveness, all that. Yes, I want

4488
04:41:26,560 --> 04:41:30,320
to see the program work. And I think the

4489
04:41:30,320 --> 04:41:32,240
product is getting applied very well. I

4490
04:41:32,240 --> 04:41:35,520
think we are trying very hard or we

4491
04:41:35,520 --> 04:41:39,200
public works is trying, but these don't

4492
04:41:39,200 --> 04:41:42,080
compute to me to put out $3,900.

4493
04:41:42,080 --> 04:41:46,160
That's like my tax bill going into a

4494
04:41:46,160 --> 04:41:50,400
quality of life thing. Um, so I I still

4495
04:41:50,400 --> 04:41:52,560
going to be pushing a lot harder to say

4496
04:41:52,560 --> 04:41:55,680
uh yes, second second application, but I

4497
04:41:55,680 --> 04:41:57,440
think the the bare minimum I want to see

4498
04:41:57,440 --> 04:42:00,480
is that that it's it's half subsidized.

4499
04:42:00,480 --> 04:42:02,000
you know, we get a second application,

4500
04:42:02,000 --> 04:42:03,200
we're going to get less product. That's

4501
04:42:03,200 --> 04:42:04,798
what the discussion was. Unless we want

4502
04:42:04,798 --> 04:42:07,360
to give a full rate second application,

4503
04:42:07,360 --> 04:42:09,360
but we believe there's some residual, so

4504
04:42:09,360 --> 04:42:11,840
it's a top up. So, I want to see it go

4505
04:42:11,840 --> 04:42:14,000
on, you know, maybe have it as a top up

4506
04:42:14,000 --> 04:42:17,120
program at three bucks

4507
04:42:17,120 --> 04:42:19,600
uh or something like that.

4508
04:42:19,600 --> 04:42:21,840
Um open for discussion on that, but

4509
04:42:21,840 --> 04:42:23,840
that's my proposal would be more like

4510
04:42:23,840 --> 04:42:26,080
that. So that our total comes in at 950

4511
04:42:26,080 --> 04:42:28,320
for a double application or 650 for a

4512
04:42:28,320 --> 04:42:32,390
single.

4513
04:42:32,400 --> 04:42:34,400
» Start over on that side.

4514
04:42:34,400 --> 04:42:36,470
>> Thanks. That goes back to one of the

4515
04:42:36,470 --> 04:42:36,480
» Thanks. That goes back to one of the

4516
04:42:36,480 --> 04:42:38,638
previous comments is that why should the

4517
04:42:38,638 --> 04:42:40,400
people don't even subsidize those that

4518
04:42:40,400 --> 04:42:42,560
do? That's your option. So if you you

4519
04:42:42,560 --> 04:42:44,080
want to you know like you said you got

4520
04:42:44,080 --> 04:42:47,040
your 600 meters and your guy got hauling

4521
04:42:47,040 --> 04:42:48,320
a manure and if we didn't have the

4522
04:42:48,320 --> 04:42:49,680
program would you be okay with the dust

4523
04:42:49,680 --> 04:42:51,760
or you'd be screaming for a program. So

4524
04:42:51,760 --> 04:42:53,680
it's if it lasts a week or whatever, I

4525
04:42:53,680 --> 04:42:56,240
mean like we we've been told I mean the

4526
04:42:56,240 --> 04:42:59,360
product is designed to last in regular

4527
04:42:59,360 --> 04:43:01,680
conditions, light traffic for 3 months.

4528
04:43:01,680 --> 04:43:04,400
So um if it's getting if you're losing

4529
04:43:04,400 --> 04:43:06,080
it in a week, you got bigger problems.

4530
04:43:06,080 --> 04:43:08,080
It's traffic volume I would think. So

4531
04:43:08,080 --> 04:43:09,520
but I still think we need to do

4532
04:43:09,520 --> 04:43:12,000
something um and provide an option to

4533
04:43:12,000 --> 04:43:13,760
our residents and let them if they want

4534
04:43:13,760 --> 04:43:16,080
it, they can pay for it. And I still

4535
04:43:16,080 --> 04:43:18,080
think the second off or the second

4536
04:43:18,080 --> 04:43:19,760
application at a different time of year

4537
04:43:19,760 --> 04:43:21,120
is help.

4538
04:43:21,120 --> 04:43:22,878
It's going to it varies every year. One

4539
04:43:22,878 --> 04:43:24,400
year you may be having dust problems

4540
04:43:24,400 --> 04:43:26,080
like crazy because you've got four

4541
04:43:26,080 --> 04:43:27,600
different crops coming off late around

4542
04:43:27,600 --> 04:43:28,878
you. Other years there's nothing around

4543
04:43:28,878 --> 04:43:30,400
you. So it's you know it's a nice quiet

4544
04:43:30,400 --> 04:43:31,680
summer have a barbecue in your front

4545
04:43:31,680 --> 04:43:34,240
yard every year. So um dust is going to

4546
04:43:34,240 --> 04:43:37,120
be non-stop. But I think to to eliminate

4547
04:43:37,120 --> 04:43:38,798
the program isn't going to help. That's

4548
04:43:38,798 --> 04:43:41,040
going to make it worse. So I think that

4549
04:43:41,040 --> 04:43:42,718
I mean like I said if you've got it if

4550
04:43:42,718 --> 04:43:44,160
you're losing it in a week then there's

4551
04:43:44,160 --> 04:43:46,240
bigger issues and it's not the the

4552
04:43:46,240 --> 04:43:48,480
product. It's there's just the traffic

4553
04:43:48,480 --> 04:43:51,760
volume. So just I don't know how we deal

4554
04:43:51,760 --> 04:43:54,718
with

4555
04:43:54,718 --> 04:43:56,150
>> Yeah. [clears throat] I mean, my first

4556
04:43:56,150 --> 04:43:56,160
» Yeah. [clears throat] I mean, my first

4557
04:43:56,160 --> 04:43:58,080
takeaway is we need benchmark to

4558
04:43:58,080 --> 04:44:02,878
reassess Eric's taxes, but um

4559
04:44:02,878 --> 04:44:06,160
the uh I think the bigger conversation

4560
04:44:06,160 --> 04:44:09,600
may there's two ways to put this into

4561
04:44:09,600 --> 04:44:12,718
context and if I could package something

4562
04:44:12,718 --> 04:44:14,160
or propose something to councelor Van

4563
04:44:14,160 --> 04:44:16,320
Essen where maybe the first option is

4564
04:44:16,320 --> 04:44:18,000
it's an in-n-out, we don't subsidize

4565
04:44:18,000 --> 04:44:20,000
that second application at all. whatever

4566
04:44:20,000 --> 04:44:22,560
that is. Um, or if you're going to do

4567
04:44:22,560 --> 04:44:23,760
it, because we don't have some of those

4568
04:44:23,760 --> 04:44:26,080
numbers today, I think there's a lot of

4569
04:44:26,080 --> 04:44:28,480
work to figure out what that is and we

4570
04:44:28,480 --> 04:44:31,040
can do that. But as for budget

4571
04:44:31,040 --> 04:44:33,280
conversations, one thing that we could

4572
04:44:33,280 --> 04:44:35,600
maybe explore, and I'm I'm not

4573
04:44:35,600 --> 04:44:37,680
suggesting we do this or don't, but but

4574
04:44:37,680 --> 04:44:40,320
to what's been proposed is setting

4575
04:44:40,320 --> 04:44:42,240
whatever that is and then just

4576
04:44:42,240 --> 04:44:44,240
earmarking a set number of dollars

4577
04:44:44,240 --> 04:44:45,920
either through tax equalization or

4578
04:44:45,920 --> 04:44:47,920
something else to say, hey, whatever

4579
04:44:47,920 --> 04:44:49,840
that program is in those applications,

4580
04:44:49,840 --> 04:44:51,760
we base it on our projections and we

4581
04:44:51,760 --> 04:44:54,160
offset it by $100,000 from reserve or

4582
04:44:54,160 --> 04:44:57,040
something for this year or $50,000 or

4583
04:44:57,040 --> 04:44:59,840
pick your number. we'll go back because

4584
04:44:59,840 --> 04:45:02,878
then the budget can remain. We can go

4585
04:45:02,878 --> 04:45:04,480
back rather than having to adjust that

4586
04:45:04,480 --> 04:45:06,718
rate. We do it year one, see what the

4587
04:45:06,718 --> 04:45:08,798
uptake is at that second application

4588
04:45:08,798 --> 04:45:12,560
rate that gets calculated subsidized

4589
04:45:12,560 --> 04:45:15,040
as best as we could predict it by that

4590
04:45:15,040 --> 04:45:16,958
that dollar amount. So now we've said,

4591
04:45:16,958 --> 04:45:19,360
hey, it's not like we're just earmarking

4592
04:45:19,360 --> 04:45:22,160
X to go towards that program. And then

4593
04:45:22,160 --> 04:45:24,320
if it's successful, then we talk about

4594
04:45:24,320 --> 04:45:25,600
what that rate should be in year two

4595
04:45:25,600 --> 04:45:28,320
because I think we also need a year of

4596
04:45:28,320 --> 04:45:30,718
What is the feedback? How we and and a

4597
04:45:30,718 --> 04:45:31,760
conversation we need to have with

4598
04:45:31,760 --> 04:45:33,360
marketing and communications when we do

4599
04:45:33,360 --> 04:45:35,520
this, how we get objective feedback

4600
04:45:35,520 --> 04:45:38,878
because right now we hear the complaints

4601
04:45:38,878 --> 04:45:40,480
and then you get out there and it's like

4602
04:45:40,480 --> 04:45:42,560
not everybody's up like not every

4603
04:45:42,560 --> 04:45:44,240
everybody's upset about the program. We

4604
04:45:44,240 --> 04:45:45,360
love the program. They don't want it to

4605
04:45:45,360 --> 04:45:47,600
go away. I think we need to also have a

4606
04:45:47,600 --> 04:45:49,680
strategy as part of this to see how far

4607
04:45:49,680 --> 04:45:51,440
we're moving the needle with this versus

4608
04:45:51,440 --> 04:45:54,000
the single application. those that that

4609
04:45:54,000 --> 04:45:56,160
would be how I would maybe suggest to

4610
04:45:56,160 --> 04:45:58,400
approach the two items that are being

4611
04:45:58,400 --> 04:45:59,600
discussed.

4612
04:45:59,600 --> 04:46:00,708
>> Okay.

4613
04:46:00,708 --> 04:46:00,718
» Okay.

4614
04:46:00,718 --> 04:46:02,868
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah. And I I

4615
04:46:02,868 --> 04:46:02,878
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah. And I I

4616
04:46:02,878 --> 04:46:05,360
totally agree with you about with with

4617
04:46:05,360 --> 04:46:08,080
Eric about, you know, offering it to to

4618
04:46:08,080 --> 04:46:10,560
the residents. I just for me would like

4619
04:46:10,560 --> 04:46:13,600
to see the numbers, right? Um of what it

4620
04:46:13,600 --> 04:46:16,000
would actually cost to do that. So, if

4621
04:46:16,000 --> 04:46:19,440
we're able to get those numbers, then I

4622
04:46:19,440 --> 04:46:20,638
can.

4623
04:46:20,638 --> 04:46:25,200
Yeah, that's just how I'm saying.

4624
04:46:25,200 --> 04:46:27,030
>> Thanks.

4625
04:46:27,030 --> 04:46:27,040
» Thanks.

4626
04:46:27,040 --> 04:46:31,520
What if we if we decided as a group to

4627
04:46:31,520 --> 04:46:34,000
date to double that number that we have

4628
04:46:34,000 --> 04:46:37,200
in the budget currently?

4629
04:46:37,200 --> 04:46:40,400
What would be the the I guess the the

4630
04:46:40,400 --> 04:46:44,080
implications on our our increase in the

4631
04:46:44,080 --> 04:46:45,680
taxes? Because I mean there is an

4632
04:46:45,680 --> 04:46:48,320
implication there. bring it up from from

4633
04:46:48,320 --> 04:46:52,150
3% to

4634
04:46:52,160 --> 04:46:53,520
» Yeah, I think we can calculate that. I

4635
04:46:53,520 --> 04:46:56,080
think to to Lauren's point, the number

4636
04:46:56,080 --> 04:46:58,638
just needs to be the exact same number

4637
04:46:58,638 --> 04:47:00,320
as the first application because if it's

4638
04:47:00,320 --> 04:47:03,200
free, you're doing too. Why? We're just

4639
04:47:03,200 --> 04:47:04,638
going to assume that

4640
04:47:04,638 --> 04:47:06,470
>> and then we just remove the revenue side

4641
04:47:06,470 --> 04:47:06,480
» and then we just remove the revenue side

4642
04:47:06,480 --> 04:47:07,680
of that equation and see how that

4643
04:47:07,680 --> 04:47:09,680
adjusts. And that's something that Haley

4644
04:47:09,680 --> 04:47:10,958
could look at. I mean, it's

4645
04:47:10,958 --> 04:47:13,030
>> and so here's my thought process on

4646
04:47:13,030 --> 04:47:13,040
» and so here's my thought process on

4647
04:47:13,040 --> 04:47:15,440
that. If if we agreed to do that and

4648
04:47:15,440 --> 04:47:18,400
have an increase in our budget,

4649
04:47:18,400 --> 04:47:21,040
then we've got some flexibility when we

4650
04:47:21,040 --> 04:47:24,000
go to pass that that bylaw

4651
04:47:24,000 --> 04:47:25,760
if we're going to what are we going to

4652
04:47:25,760 --> 04:47:27,360
do? Are we going to do two applications?

4653
04:47:27,360 --> 04:47:29,200
We're going to do one application. Is it

4654
04:47:29,200 --> 04:47:30,718
going to be subsidized? Is it not going

4655
04:47:30,718 --> 04:47:34,400
to be subsidized? I I'm my concern is

4656
04:47:34,400 --> 04:47:36,560
that if we pass the budget as it sits

4657
04:47:36,560 --> 04:47:38,320
without putting an increase in it, we

4658
04:47:38,320 --> 04:47:41,200
just fund it from reserves as as sort of

4659
04:47:41,200 --> 04:47:46,160
a a uh stop gap. Um is that maybe the

4660
04:47:46,160 --> 04:47:49,200
right approach or should we It's a 3%

4661
04:47:49,200 --> 04:47:50,958
increase roughly. It would be another

4662
04:47:50,958 --> 04:47:53,360
3%.

4663
04:47:53,360 --> 04:47:54,638
Yeah. Well, that answers a lot of

4664
04:47:54,638 --> 04:47:58,320
questions, doesn't it? Yeah.

4665
04:47:58,320 --> 04:48:01,120
Yeah. So that you know that would bring

4666
04:48:01,120 --> 04:48:04,958
the increase up to 6% which um I

4667
04:48:04,958 --> 04:48:06,070
>> our recommendation

4668
04:48:06,070 --> 04:48:06,080
» our recommendation

4669
04:48:06,080 --> 04:48:07,190
>> my pallet is not there

4670
04:48:07,190 --> 04:48:07,200
» my pallet is not there

4671
04:48:07,200 --> 04:48:08,708
>> we would need to lower contributions to

4672
04:48:08,708 --> 04:48:08,718
» we would need to lower contributions to

4673
04:48:08,718 --> 04:48:10,718
reserve or something there to solve that

4674
04:48:10,718 --> 04:48:12,160
that's just

4675
04:48:12,160 --> 04:48:20,230
>> that's a very large job

4676
04:48:20,240 --> 04:48:27,110
» Tony thoughts

4677
04:48:27,120 --> 04:48:31,280
thank you Mr. Sure. Close your remarks.

4678
04:48:31,280 --> 04:48:35,600
Uh subsidize services. We subsidize a

4679
04:48:35,600 --> 04:48:38,560
variety of things we don't use already.

4680
04:48:38,560 --> 04:48:41,680
Just going to put that out there. That's

4681
04:48:41,680 --> 04:48:43,840
not everything that we're funding uh

4682
04:48:43,840 --> 04:48:46,160
benefits everybody. So to say, well, you

4683
04:48:46,160 --> 04:48:48,718
know, nobody can we can't possibly

4684
04:48:48,718 --> 04:48:51,600
consider a subsidized second application

4685
04:48:51,600 --> 04:48:54,160
because not everybody gets it. Happens

4686
04:48:54,160 --> 04:48:56,958
on everything. Uh so anyway, we'll let

4687
04:48:56,958 --> 04:48:59,040
it lie and I do agree that's get some

4688
04:48:59,040 --> 04:49:00,878
numbers and and we can work on it from

4689
04:49:00,878 --> 04:49:05,590
that side. Thanks.

4690
04:49:05,600 --> 04:49:07,120
» What are the numbers that we're asking

4691
04:49:07,120 --> 04:49:08,798
for? Is it just the cost of the second

4692
04:49:08,798 --> 04:49:10,638
application? Because I think right now

4693
04:49:10,638 --> 04:49:11,680
what I would really like to understand

4694
04:49:11,680 --> 04:49:13,120
is what that strategy is because it will

4695
04:49:13,120 --> 04:49:16,080
affect the budget next week. Are we is

4696
04:49:16,080 --> 04:49:18,400
there any appetite to subsidize this in

4697
04:49:18,400 --> 04:49:21,200
any way or not? Like I

4698
04:49:21,200 --> 04:49:22,868
>> I I need to know the answer to that

4699
04:49:22,868 --> 04:49:22,878
» I I need to know the answer to that

4700
04:49:22,878 --> 04:49:25,520
definitively. The question is there an

4701
04:49:25,520 --> 04:49:27,520
is there an appetite

4702
04:49:27,520 --> 04:49:29,520
believe Eric has an appetite to

4703
04:49:29,520 --> 04:49:31,120
subsidize a second application. I would

4704
04:49:31,120 --> 04:49:32,400
ask that the rest of the council. Is

4705
04:49:32,400 --> 04:49:34,718
there an appetite to subsidize a second

4706
04:49:34,718 --> 04:49:57,590
application?

4707
04:49:57,600 --> 05:04:43,030
We take a short 10 minutes.

4708
05:04:43,040 --> 05:04:48,320
at 2:05 this afternoon. Uh, cool. Yours?

4709
05:04:48,320 --> 05:04:50,310
>> Yeah, I think we'll just do maybe uh

4710
05:04:50,310 --> 05:04:50,320
» Yeah, I think we'll just do maybe uh

4711
05:04:50,320 --> 05:04:53,058
after the break uh one more call for

4712
05:04:53,058 --> 05:04:54,080
[clears throat] discussion on the

4713
05:04:54,080 --> 05:04:56,480
operating budget before we move on to

4714
05:04:56,480 --> 05:04:57,920
capital.

4715
05:04:57,920 --> 05:05:01,030
>> I had one uh question, Cole. I know

4716
05:05:01,030 --> 05:05:01,040
» I had one uh question, Cole. I know

4717
05:05:01,040 --> 05:05:04,400
we've talked uh over the years uh about

4718
05:05:04,400 --> 05:05:06,958
our our operations

4719
05:05:06,958 --> 05:05:09,040
uh

4720
05:05:09,040 --> 05:05:11,600
and I guess looking forward to where

4721
05:05:11,600 --> 05:05:13,040
we're going, where we are, where we're

4722
05:05:13,040 --> 05:05:17,840
headed as far as uh yeah, the county's

4723
05:05:17,840 --> 05:05:20,958
operations. Is there,

4724
05:05:20,958 --> 05:05:23,600
how do I put this?

4725
05:05:23,600 --> 05:05:25,280
Where are we at, I guess, in those

4726
05:05:25,280 --> 05:05:27,360
conversations? And is there a next step

4727
05:05:27,360 --> 05:05:29,680
forward in those conversations?

4728
05:05:29,680 --> 05:05:31,680
Yeah. Uh, thank [clears throat] you, Mr.

4729
05:05:31,680 --> 05:05:34,240
Chairman. Really the next step for us,

4730
05:05:34,240 --> 05:05:36,160
well, we've identified sites. We do know

4731
05:05:36,160 --> 05:05:38,160
we have aging infrastructure in some of

4732
05:05:38,160 --> 05:05:41,680
our facilities. Um, not understanding

4733
05:05:41,680 --> 05:05:44,080
what that plan is, the scope, scale,

4734
05:05:44,080 --> 05:05:46,160
cost of that makes it hard for us to

4735
05:05:46,160 --> 05:05:48,160
make some of the midterm decisions, I

4736
05:05:48,160 --> 05:05:49,920
would say, around our current assets.

4737
05:05:49,920 --> 05:05:51,760
And so the next step that we had

4738
05:05:51,760 --> 05:05:53,200
discussed, it's not included in this

4739
05:05:53,200 --> 05:05:55,600
budget, but it would be a one-off um

4740
05:05:55,600 --> 05:05:57,760
almost an operating project, would be to

4741
05:05:57,760 --> 05:06:00,080
do a functional study or functional

4742
05:06:00,080 --> 05:06:01,680
programming, which would provide an

4743
05:06:01,680 --> 05:06:03,280
assessment of all of our current

4744
05:06:03,280 --> 05:06:05,920
operations. It would help us assess what

4745
05:06:05,920 --> 05:06:07,920
our current growth rates are, what we

4746
05:06:07,920 --> 05:06:10,080
need, what we don't need, and then it

4747
05:06:10,080 --> 05:06:12,080
would plan it. It almost provides you a

4748
05:06:12,080 --> 05:06:16,878
bit of a a bible so to speak on on what

4749
05:06:16,878 --> 05:06:18,480
your build would look like or how you

4750
05:06:18,480 --> 05:06:19,920
could estimate your costs because you

4751
05:06:19,920 --> 05:06:22,160
would have that vetted and refined. And

4752
05:06:22,160 --> 05:06:24,958
so it's a highle study um looking at all

4753
05:06:24,958 --> 05:06:26,718
of those things. And some of those are a

4754
05:06:26,718 --> 05:06:28,000
little bit more complicated when we get

4755
05:06:28,000 --> 05:06:29,840
into how are we servicing fleet, how are

4756
05:06:29,840 --> 05:06:31,920
we doing some of those items that that

4757
05:06:31,920 --> 05:06:33,120
drive a lot of those costs. So that

4758
05:06:33,120 --> 05:06:35,280
would be probably our recommendation uh

4759
05:06:35,280 --> 05:06:36,798
should count council want to proceed to

4760
05:06:36,798 --> 05:06:38,320
the next step is to complete a

4761
05:06:38,320 --> 05:06:40,560
functional um program or a functional

4762
05:06:40,560 --> 05:06:43,680
study and because it would be a one-off

4763
05:06:43,680 --> 05:06:45,440
I think we would recommend we pull that

4764
05:06:45,440 --> 05:06:47,760
from like the tax equalization reserve

4765
05:06:47,760 --> 05:06:50,798
and we earmark some funds there and we

4766
05:06:50,798 --> 05:06:53,680
would then go to an RFP and secure the

4767
05:06:53,680 --> 05:06:55,680
necessary consultant to complete that

4768
05:06:55,680 --> 05:07:03,750
for us.

4769
05:07:03,760 --> 05:07:06,080
It's hard to say depending on how we

4770
05:07:06,080 --> 05:07:07,840
package that. I think that if we're

4771
05:07:07,840 --> 05:07:09,280
going to provide a recommendation, I

4772
05:07:09,280 --> 05:07:11,280
mean, we could say I I could see it

4773
05:07:11,280 --> 05:07:14,160
being in the 60 70 to $100,000 depending

4774
05:07:14,160 --> 05:07:15,840
on how detailed and how much information

4775
05:07:15,840 --> 05:07:17,520
we're going to get out of that report.

4776
05:07:17,520 --> 05:07:18,798
Uh if we were going to set a rate as

4777
05:07:18,798 --> 05:07:20,958
part of budget, even as an in and out uh

4778
05:07:20,958 --> 05:07:22,400
out of one of those reserves, our

4779
05:07:22,400 --> 05:07:24,798
recommendation would probably be to set

4780
05:07:24,798 --> 05:07:27,280
that at $100,000 for to complete that

4781
05:07:27,280 --> 05:07:30,080
study. Now, having done a lot of these

4782
05:07:30,080 --> 05:07:33,120
in the past, that is a a large dollar

4783
05:07:33,120 --> 05:07:35,680
amount, but it is a large dollar amount

4784
05:07:35,680 --> 05:07:39,200
that saves you millions on the back end

4785
05:07:39,200 --> 05:07:41,920
by having it properly vetted now. So, if

4786
05:07:41,920 --> 05:07:43,600
we're moving forward with that, I I

4787
05:07:43,600 --> 05:07:45,680
think it's an important document and an

4788
05:07:45,680 --> 05:07:47,680
important review to complete before we

4789
05:07:47,680 --> 05:07:58,708
look to proceed with anything else.

4790
05:07:58,718 --> 05:08:00,160
Well, I think it's something that we

4791
05:08:00,160 --> 05:08:02,400
need to move forward to do, but I don't

4792
05:08:02,400 --> 05:08:04,000
know that it's anything that we need to

4793
05:08:04,000 --> 05:08:05,840
sort of worry about in this particular

4794
05:08:05,840 --> 05:08:07,120
budget [clears throat] because it is

4795
05:08:07,120 --> 05:08:09,360
we're just in the infasy of this, but as

4796
05:08:09,360 --> 05:08:11,840
you'd said, you know, when we look at

4797
05:08:11,840 --> 05:08:13,280
moving forward, you're thinking we

4798
05:08:13,280 --> 05:08:15,040
should fund that out of reserves

4799
05:08:15,040 --> 05:08:17,840
initially then, right?

4800
05:08:17,840 --> 05:08:19,270
>> Yeah. And it's hard it's hard to know

4801
05:08:19,270 --> 05:08:19,280
» Yeah. And it's hard it's hard to know

4802
05:08:19,280 --> 05:08:21,360
what moving forward is without that

4803
05:08:21,360 --> 05:08:24,160
done. So, if we're going to do it in 26,

4804
05:08:24,160 --> 05:08:27,120
my recommendation would be let's let the

4805
05:08:27,120 --> 05:08:28,638
council direct us to make that change

4806
05:08:28,638 --> 05:08:30,400
now. It won't affect the tax rate or

4807
05:08:30,400 --> 05:08:31,840
anything as proposed, but we would make

4808
05:08:31,840 --> 05:08:35,440
the budgetary changes in the in the

4809
05:08:35,440 --> 05:08:37,840
budget uh that comes forward on the 4th.

4810
05:08:37,840 --> 05:08:39,360
We could that would basically give us

4811
05:08:39,360 --> 05:08:41,840
the approval to start with that RFP in

4812
05:08:41,840 --> 05:08:43,680
2026.

4813
05:08:43,680 --> 05:08:45,520
If it's high, low, or whatever, we could

4814
05:08:45,520 --> 05:08:47,040
adjust it at that time. We just wouldn't

4815
05:08:47,040 --> 05:08:48,480
complete that transfer or we would bring

4816
05:08:48,480 --> 05:08:50,400
that back to council if it was over that

4817
05:08:50,400 --> 05:08:51,840
amount. But that gives us the

4818
05:08:51,840 --> 05:08:53,920
authorization to proceed should council

4819
05:08:53,920 --> 05:08:56,000
want us to proceed with that in 2026.

4820
05:08:56,000 --> 05:08:57,760
And then once you have that report, that

4821
05:08:57,760 --> 05:08:59,440
probably would take us 12 or 24 months

4822
05:08:59,440 --> 05:09:02,480
to complete that review. Then we could

4823
05:09:02,480 --> 05:09:03,760
take that, we would have some of those

4824
05:09:03,760 --> 05:09:05,120
more concrete estimates and that would

4825
05:09:05,120 --> 05:09:08,320
guide our next steps on facility sale

4826
05:09:08,320 --> 05:09:10,320
consolidation, what that could look

4827
05:09:10,320 --> 05:09:14,150
like.

4828
05:09:14,160 --> 05:09:15,920
» I have a second thought on that regard.

4829
05:09:15,920 --> 05:09:19,680
Then, you know, this is something that

4830
05:09:19,680 --> 05:09:22,718
has been on the table for a long time

4831
05:09:22,718 --> 05:09:24,400
and we kind of keep kicking it down the

4832
05:09:24,400 --> 05:09:27,280
road and kicking it down the road and I

4833
05:09:27,280 --> 05:09:30,240
I think we're we're probably very fast

4834
05:09:30,240 --> 05:09:32,400
getting to the point where we're not

4835
05:09:32,400 --> 05:09:33,520
going to be able to kick it down the

4836
05:09:33,520 --> 05:09:36,798
road anymore. And if we don't start the

4837
05:09:36,798 --> 05:09:38,480
process,

4838
05:09:38,480 --> 05:09:41,280
you we we potentially could be sitting

4839
05:09:41,280 --> 05:09:45,600
here three years from now with a a plan

4840
05:09:45,600 --> 05:09:48,958
where we have to hurry up the situation.

4841
05:09:48,958 --> 05:09:52,958
And um and to administration's point,

4842
05:09:52,958 --> 05:09:54,718
usually when you have to do things in a

4843
05:09:54,718 --> 05:09:56,798
hurry, it costs a lot more. You end up

4844
05:09:56,798 --> 05:09:58,638
making mistakes or having unintended

4845
05:09:58,638 --> 05:10:00,320
consequences because you haven't done

4846
05:10:00,320 --> 05:10:02,958
the work in the background. So, I I

4847
05:10:02,958 --> 05:10:04,798
would think that it it's probably

4848
05:10:04,798 --> 05:10:06,718
prudent for us to start that process

4849
05:10:06,718 --> 05:10:11,270
now.

4850
05:10:11,280 --> 05:10:17,270
» Any other thoughts from council?

4851
05:10:17,280 --> 05:10:18,798
» I think I would agree with John. I think

4852
05:10:18,798 --> 05:10:20,000
it's one of those things where it's been

4853
05:10:20,000 --> 05:10:22,080
in the background and I think that

4854
05:10:22,080 --> 05:10:25,840
before we even suggest to make a plan, I

4855
05:10:25,840 --> 05:10:27,120
think if we don't have the the

4856
05:10:27,120 --> 05:10:28,878
information to move forward with that, I

4857
05:10:28,878 --> 05:10:29,760
think we're doing ourselves a

4858
05:10:29,760 --> 05:10:32,160
disservice. So I would I would support

4859
05:10:32,160 --> 05:10:33,680
doing it sooner rather than later and if

4860
05:10:33,680 --> 05:10:39,750
that's 2026 I would support that

4861
05:10:39,760 --> 05:10:44,560
» thank you Mr. Chair this study lays out

4862
05:10:44,560 --> 05:10:47,840
start to finish potential revenues of

4863
05:10:47,840 --> 05:10:51,280
sales options all that or how

4864
05:10:51,280 --> 05:10:52,638
comprehensive is it?

4865
05:10:52,638 --> 05:10:53,910
>> No [clears throat] the study would be on

4866
05:10:53,910 --> 05:10:53,920
» No [clears throat] the study would be on

4867
05:10:53,920 --> 05:10:56,000
our operations. So, typically what you

4868
05:10:56,000 --> 05:10:59,040
would see is you would hire a um there's

4869
05:10:59,040 --> 05:11:00,798
firms that specialize in this. So, they

4870
05:11:00,798 --> 05:11:01,760
would come in, they would do an

4871
05:11:01,760 --> 05:11:03,680
assessment. Well, I'll use a really easy

4872
05:11:03,680 --> 05:11:05,040
one like they would look at planning and

4873
05:11:05,040 --> 05:11:06,000
development. They're going to actually

4874
05:11:06,000 --> 05:11:08,240
earmark here's how much office space

4875
05:11:08,240 --> 05:11:10,560
they need. Here's the services provided.

4876
05:11:10,560 --> 05:11:12,160
Here's what the county has to do. Here's

4877
05:11:12,160 --> 05:11:13,920
the infrastructure requirement for you

4878
05:11:13,920 --> 05:11:16,958
to provide that service. The harder ones

4879
05:11:16,958 --> 05:11:19,520
are fleet as an example. What are we

4880
05:11:19,520 --> 05:11:21,200
doing for servicing? What does that look

4881
05:11:21,200 --> 05:11:23,920
like? So this study is more on what are

4882
05:11:23,920 --> 05:11:25,120
your operations and what are the

4883
05:11:25,120 --> 05:11:26,718
infrastructure requirements and then

4884
05:11:26,718 --> 05:11:29,200
subsequently you have a very very high

4885
05:11:29,200 --> 05:11:32,638
level build cost estimate they would and

4886
05:11:32,638 --> 05:11:34,000
and again high level because it's really

4887
05:11:34,000 --> 05:11:36,080
based off of square footage and and the

4888
05:11:36,080 --> 05:11:39,040
categor categorization of the space

4889
05:11:39,040 --> 05:11:40,718
types like office space is obviously

4890
05:11:40,718 --> 05:11:42,958
different than shop space in there from

4891
05:11:42,958 --> 05:11:45,040
there that would then inform we also

4892
05:11:45,040 --> 05:11:47,840
have um assess property values we also

4893
05:11:47,840 --> 05:11:49,840
have and then it would be our team that

4894
05:11:49,840 --> 05:11:51,440
would be responsible to consolidate that

4895
05:11:51,440 --> 05:11:52,878
and say here's what this could look like

4896
05:11:52,878 --> 05:11:54,798
if we wanted to move forward. So this is

4897
05:11:54,798 --> 05:11:56,718
more on the infrastructure cost estimate

4898
05:11:56,718 --> 05:11:58,958
side of a build for current state and

4899
05:11:58,958 --> 05:12:00,638
growth. There's some assumptions there.

4900
05:12:00,638 --> 05:12:03,840
The one nice thing about these studies,

4901
05:12:03,840 --> 05:12:05,600
you can shelf them and you have to brush

4902
05:12:05,600 --> 05:12:07,760
them off because things do change, but

4903
05:12:07,760 --> 05:12:09,520
you were just brushing them off to say

4904
05:12:09,520 --> 05:12:12,638
what's different, not reproducing the

4905
05:12:12,638 --> 05:12:14,320
whole thing again. So if we do this and

4906
05:12:14,320 --> 05:12:16,160
let's say that it's it sits on a shelf

4907
05:12:16,160 --> 05:12:17,840
for 5 years because that's the strategic

4908
05:12:17,840 --> 05:12:19,760
position we're in. we're we're really

4909
05:12:19,760 --> 05:12:21,040
pulling it out and say, okay, what's

4910
05:12:21,040 --> 05:12:22,638
different now than was different then

4911
05:12:22,638 --> 05:12:25,600
for services, not a wholesale, we're in

4912
05:12:25,600 --> 05:12:26,958
a totally different business. And I

4913
05:12:26,958 --> 05:12:29,520
think, you know, that's not the nature

4914
05:12:29,520 --> 05:12:32,400
of what we do. So, um, but that's that's

4915
05:12:32,400 --> 05:12:34,000
just that piece. And then that's a piece

4916
05:12:34,000 --> 05:12:35,280
of the puzzle that goes into what you're

4917
05:12:35,280 --> 05:12:36,400
talking about of the other information

4918
05:12:36,400 --> 05:12:37,600
that we've already been gathering, the

4919
05:12:37,600 --> 05:12:38,718
team's working on.

4920
05:12:38,718 --> 05:12:41,830
>> And to your point that, you know, you

4921
05:12:41,830 --> 05:12:41,840
» And to your point that, you know, you

4922
05:12:41,840 --> 05:12:44,400
dust it off and you go it again, um, we

4923
05:12:44,400 --> 05:12:46,638
are not unique as much as we think we're

4924
05:12:46,638 --> 05:12:49,440
special. Uh, is this not just a a

4925
05:12:49,440 --> 05:12:51,360
requirement for a municipality of this

4926
05:12:51,360 --> 05:12:56,240
size or um this like is there not just

4927
05:12:56,240 --> 05:12:58,320
shelves of this is how much space you

4928
05:12:58,320 --> 05:13:00,160
need um that we have to do this

4929
05:13:00,160 --> 05:13:02,718
comprehensive study on it?

4930
05:13:02,718 --> 05:13:04,400
Some of it I mean that's reflected the

4931
05:13:04,400 --> 05:13:05,680
the stuff that's really straightforward

4932
05:13:05,680 --> 05:13:08,000
is reflected in the cost of that study.

4933
05:13:08,000 --> 05:13:09,520
And I'm I'm just going to speak from

4934
05:13:09,520 --> 05:13:11,440
coming from healthcare where that there

4935
05:13:11,440 --> 05:13:13,440
is we did that but it was a lot there's

4936
05:13:13,440 --> 05:13:15,520
a lot more nuance where it was the same

4937
05:13:15,520 --> 05:13:16,878
thing. It's like this is how big you

4938
05:13:16,878 --> 05:13:18,718
build an operating room for these

4939
05:13:18,718 --> 05:13:20,480
services. This is how big you build X

4940
05:13:20,480 --> 05:13:22,320
for this. But a lot of that is

4941
05:13:22,320 --> 05:13:24,000
consolidating all of that. So we

4942
05:13:24,000 --> 05:13:25,520
actually know what it is we're looking

4943
05:13:25,520 --> 05:13:28,718
for and it's defensible to say you do

4944
05:13:28,718 --> 05:13:31,120
this because I think the we're under the

4945
05:13:31,120 --> 05:13:33,920
and and we should be you go and build

4946
05:13:33,920 --> 05:13:35,680
something and you make those key

4947
05:13:35,680 --> 05:13:37,520
decisions in design and construction,

4948
05:13:37,520 --> 05:13:38,958
they need to be predicated on something.

4949
05:13:38,958 --> 05:13:40,320
So as much as we can say, hey, there

4950
05:13:40,320 --> 05:13:42,480
should be there should be just this

4951
05:13:42,480 --> 05:13:45,120
blanket standard. Um then you get into

4952
05:13:45,120 --> 05:13:46,480
design and everybody has these opinions

4953
05:13:46,480 --> 05:13:48,160
and and what is your guiding or

4954
05:13:48,160 --> 05:13:50,638
northstar document or principle? This

4955
05:13:50,638 --> 05:13:52,320
kind of gives us that to say no we built

4956
05:13:52,320 --> 05:13:54,878
the suit for now and the future based on

4957
05:13:54,878 --> 05:13:57,360
these key decisions versus we just

4958
05:13:57,360 --> 05:14:00,240
thought it would be a good idea to have

4959
05:14:00,240 --> 05:14:02,160
X in that. And so that's what this kind

4960
05:14:02,160 --> 05:14:03,920
of gives you. But yeah, some of it is

4961
05:14:03,920 --> 05:14:06,878
easily like office space is easy. Like

4962
05:14:06,878 --> 05:14:08,160
that's not even just that's not unique

4963
05:14:08,160 --> 05:14:09,920
to municipal but some of the other

4964
05:14:09,920 --> 05:14:11,680
things for

4965
05:14:11,680 --> 05:14:14,958
council lounge like how many spectators

4966
05:14:14,958 --> 05:14:16,718
there are how many those are

4967
05:14:16,718 --> 05:14:18,718
municipality specific some of those

4968
05:14:18,718 --> 05:14:20,480
things are good to account for in in

4969
05:14:20,480 --> 05:14:21,840
documents like this so that we can

4970
05:14:21,840 --> 05:14:23,120
actually plan for that and what the

4971
05:14:23,120 --> 05:14:28,948
costs are

4972
05:14:28,958 --> 05:14:32,310
anything else

4973
05:14:32,320 --> 05:14:37,990
do we support this

4974
05:14:38,000 --> 05:14:45,270
Okay. To a dollar amount to the 100.

4975
05:14:45,280 --> 05:14:52,372
» Okay.

4976
05:14:52,382 --> 05:14:55,590
[clears throat]

4977
05:14:55,600 --> 05:14:56,798
» All right. Good afternoon again,

4978
05:14:56,798 --> 05:14:59,760
council. Here to present the 2026

4979
05:14:59,760 --> 05:15:01,920
through 2030 infrastructure services

4980
05:15:01,920 --> 05:15:04,080
capital budget.

4981
05:15:04,080 --> 05:15:06,240
Uh this slide I don't think I need to go

4982
05:15:06,240 --> 05:15:09,920
over as Haley um described the purpose

4983
05:15:09,920 --> 05:15:12,160
analysis and planning for capital budget

4984
05:15:12,160 --> 05:15:15,120
in her initial presentation.

4985
05:15:15,120 --> 05:15:16,240
So just going through all the

4986
05:15:16,240 --> 05:15:19,440
departments 26 through 2030

4987
05:15:19,440 --> 05:15:21,840
capital summary uh you'll see that

4988
05:15:21,840 --> 05:15:24,160
agricultural services is looking at

4989
05:15:24,160 --> 05:15:25,840
$160,000

4990
05:15:25,840 --> 05:15:28,240
fleet services almost 3.1 million

4991
05:15:28,240 --> 05:15:31,680
infrastructure services uh 7.35 million

4992
05:15:31,680 --> 05:15:34,000
market access network program 2.15

4993
05:15:34,000 --> 05:15:37,680
million and IT at 300,000 almost for a

4994
05:15:37,680 --> 05:15:41,840
total capital uh 2026 capital value of

4995
05:15:41,840 --> 05:15:46,320
$13 million 30,000 Getting

4996
05:15:46,320 --> 05:15:49,280
into the sources of funding that we have

4997
05:15:49,280 --> 05:15:52,240
for our capital projects. Uh this graph

4998
05:15:52,240 --> 05:15:54,878
shows the green circles show our revenue

4999
05:15:54,878 --> 05:15:57,120
sources that are our primary and

5000
05:15:57,120 --> 05:15:59,680
consistent revenue sources such as our

5001
05:15:59,680 --> 05:16:02,400
bridges and paved roads reserve. Our

5002
05:16:02,400 --> 05:16:05,600
Canada community building fund grant and

5003
05:16:05,600 --> 05:16:08,000
local government fiscal framework. Those

5004
05:16:08,000 --> 05:16:09,760
are our primary funding sources as I

5005
05:16:09,760 --> 05:16:12,160
mentioned. uh they are fairly consistent

5006
05:16:12,160 --> 05:16:14,718
and are a reliable source of revenue to

5007
05:16:14,718 --> 05:16:17,360
offset capital expenditures. Competitive

5008
05:16:17,360 --> 05:16:19,360
funding sources such as the Alberta

5009
05:16:19,360 --> 05:16:21,760
municipal water and wastewater program

5010
05:16:21,760 --> 05:16:23,680
which we got funding for Shaughnessy and

5011
05:16:23,680 --> 05:16:25,120
their strategic transportation

5012
05:16:25,120 --> 05:16:26,638
infrastructure program in which we got

5013
05:16:26,638 --> 05:16:28,080
funding for our bridge files and our

5014
05:16:28,080 --> 05:16:30,000
cement stabilized roads. Those are

5015
05:16:30,000 --> 05:16:32,080
competitive grant sources and should not

5016
05:16:32,080 --> 05:16:35,040
be relied upon as a consistent source.

5017
05:16:35,040 --> 05:16:36,958
Um it's great when we get those we get

5018
05:16:36,958 --> 05:16:38,878
to maintain some of our reserves and

5019
05:16:38,878 --> 05:16:41,360
some of our other consistent or our

5020
05:16:41,360 --> 05:16:44,320
primary funding sources but um not to be

5021
05:16:44,320 --> 05:16:47,440
relied on as a consistent um revenue

5022
05:16:47,440 --> 05:16:49,600
generator.

5023
05:16:49,600 --> 05:16:51,520
This slide shows our projected

5024
05:16:51,520 --> 05:16:53,920
carryovers for those grant funds. So

5025
05:16:53,920 --> 05:16:55,200
this is showing what we're carrying

5026
05:16:55,200 --> 05:16:58,080
forward year-over-year. The green line

5027
05:16:58,080 --> 05:16:59,680
shows our bridges and paved roads

5028
05:16:59,680 --> 05:17:01,360
reserve. So that shows an opening

5029
05:17:01,360 --> 05:17:03,440
balance of 6 million going through the

5030
05:17:03,440 --> 05:17:05,040
years. You can see that being drawn down

5031
05:17:05,040 --> 05:17:08,958
in 2030 to about $3.6 million. The blue

5032
05:17:08,958 --> 05:17:10,798
line is our local government fiscal

5033
05:17:10,798 --> 05:17:13,760
framework. Can see just over $2 million

5034
05:17:13,760 --> 05:17:16,480
in 26, up a little bit in 27, and then a

5035
05:17:16,480 --> 05:17:19,840
downward trend into 2030. And then uh

5036
05:17:19,840 --> 05:17:21,760
our Canada Community Building Fund as

5037
05:17:21,760 --> 05:17:24,480
well. Um trending that down into 2030.

5038
05:17:24,480 --> 05:17:26,480
Um, the reason why I'm sharing with this

5039
05:17:26,480 --> 05:17:27,760
this with you is I know in the past

5040
05:17:27,760 --> 05:17:30,400
there was some concern with our grant

5041
05:17:30,400 --> 05:17:32,480
funding carryovers and the risk that

5042
05:17:32,480 --> 05:17:33,760
potentially the provincial government

5043
05:17:33,760 --> 05:17:36,320
will claw that money back. Um, so we're

5044
05:17:36,320 --> 05:17:39,040
aiming to keep that carryover uh as

5045
05:17:39,040 --> 05:17:40,958
little as possible year-over-year just

5046
05:17:40,958 --> 05:17:43,120
to ensure we actually utilize those

5047
05:17:43,120 --> 05:17:48,470
funds that that were allocated

5048
05:17:48,480 --> 05:17:50,718
going into the 2026 proposed

5049
05:17:50,718 --> 05:17:53,200
infrastructure capital projects. uh

5050
05:17:53,200 --> 05:17:54,798
pretty much the same as what I presented

5051
05:17:54,798 --> 05:17:57,520
last year with a couple uh additions in

5052
05:17:57,520 --> 05:18:00,000
here. The first one at the top is Range

5053
05:18:00,000 --> 05:18:01,920
Road 21-1,

5054
05:18:01,920 --> 05:18:04,798
otherwise known as the McNal Road. This

5055
05:18:04,798 --> 05:18:07,680
includes the rehabilitation of McNal

5056
05:18:07,680 --> 05:18:10,000
Road from Township Road 82. So that's

5057
05:18:10,000 --> 05:18:13,600
where the uh McNut Center is uh south to

5058
05:18:13,600 --> 05:18:15,680
Highway 508 through cement stabilization

5059
05:18:15,680 --> 05:18:18,000
and double chip seal. Uh if you've

5060
05:18:18,000 --> 05:18:19,760
driven that road, you know it is in

5061
05:18:19,760 --> 05:18:21,600
fairly poor condition and requires

5062
05:18:21,600 --> 05:18:24,638
continual maintenance. Um we I know Ryan

5063
05:18:24,638 --> 05:18:26,638
earlier this year did uh uh some

5064
05:18:26,638 --> 05:18:28,160
maintenance on that road and it is

5065
05:18:28,160 --> 05:18:31,280
showing its age and and uh and those

5066
05:18:31,280 --> 05:18:33,280
failures are occurring. So by

5067
05:18:33,280 --> 05:18:34,798
rehabilitating this road, we will

5068
05:18:34,798 --> 05:18:37,120
greatly extend the life and and reduced

5069
05:18:37,120 --> 05:18:39,360
operations maintenance requirements on

5070
05:18:39,360 --> 05:18:42,000
that stretch. And we are also planning

5071
05:18:42,000 --> 05:18:44,400
to do some drainage enhancements to

5072
05:18:44,400 --> 05:18:45,680
align with the Tiffen storm water

5073
05:18:45,680 --> 05:18:47,360
management plan because that road is

5074
05:18:47,360 --> 05:18:49,520
within that Tiffen basin and we want to

5075
05:18:49,520 --> 05:18:50,798
make sure whatever we're doing on this

5076
05:18:50,798 --> 05:18:52,560
project we're aligning with uh those

5077
05:18:52,560 --> 05:18:57,670
drainage requirements.

5078
05:18:57,680 --> 05:19:01,120
Second one is Range Road 23-4, otherwise

5079
05:19:01,120 --> 05:19:03,520
known as Old Highway 23.

5080
05:19:03,520 --> 05:19:05,440
And again, we're proposing to cement

5081
05:19:05,440 --> 05:19:07,520
stabilize this road from Township

5082
05:19:07,520 --> 05:19:10,638
Township Road 102 to Township Road 104.

5083
05:19:10,638 --> 05:19:12,718
104 was the end limits of our previous

5084
05:19:12,718 --> 05:19:15,520
project. Um, so this is just extending

5085
05:19:15,520 --> 05:19:19,360
that 2 miles further south. Uh, again,

5086
05:19:19,360 --> 05:19:22,000
this road is in poor condition and does

5087
05:19:22,000 --> 05:19:24,638
require continual maintenance. And uh

5088
05:19:24,638 --> 05:19:27,760
this is the ultimate intent is to uh

5089
05:19:27,760 --> 05:19:30,160
have that entire stretch of Westview

5090
05:19:30,160 --> 05:19:32,638
Road/Old Highway 23 fully cement event

5091
05:19:32,638 --> 05:19:34,480
stabilized. You'll see another project

5092
05:19:34,480 --> 05:19:36,480
further in the budget that completes the

5093
05:19:36,480 --> 05:19:40,240
remaining gap and at that point um we'll

5094
05:19:40,240 --> 05:19:43,440
have a a only seasonally banned road

5095
05:19:43,440 --> 05:19:44,798
structure all the way from Highway 3 up

5096
05:19:44,798 --> 05:19:47,920
to Highway 519. Um that will obviously

5097
05:19:47,920 --> 05:19:49,920
allow for greater movement of uh

5098
05:19:49,920 --> 05:19:51,680
agricultural commodities and heavy

5099
05:19:51,680 --> 05:19:55,510
equipment along that corridor.

5100
05:19:55,520 --> 05:19:57,600
Uh couple bridge files that we have on

5101
05:19:57,600 --> 05:20:01,280
the docket for replacement. 77523

5102
05:20:01,280 --> 05:20:03,440
is located about 9 km northwest of

5103
05:20:03,440 --> 05:20:07,440
picture but 79595

5104
05:20:07,440 --> 05:20:11,440
uh is on 211 between 100 and 102. These

5105
05:20:11,440 --> 05:20:12,718
are part of our regular bridge

5106
05:20:12,718 --> 05:20:14,958
replacement program. Uh they're reaching

5107
05:20:14,958 --> 05:20:16,958
the end of their life cycle and require

5108
05:20:16,958 --> 05:20:18,638
replacement. And as always with our

5109
05:20:18,638 --> 05:20:20,240
bridge file projects, we do apply for

5110
05:20:20,240 --> 05:20:21,680
STP funding. And that's that competitive

5111
05:20:21,680 --> 05:20:23,840
funding I spoke to earlier. If we get

5112
05:20:23,840 --> 05:20:26,718
it, great. Maintains our reserve. Um if

5113
05:20:26,718 --> 05:20:28,240
not, then we just draw from our reserve

5114
05:20:28,240 --> 05:20:31,120
to fund those projects.

5115
05:20:31,120 --> 05:20:33,040
And the last one on here. So this one

5116
05:20:33,040 --> 05:20:35,280
did get bumped up a year just due to

5117
05:20:35,280 --> 05:20:37,600
some um deterioration that we

5118
05:20:37,600 --> 05:20:40,240
experienced on the picture golf course

5119
05:20:40,240 --> 05:20:41,760
road. I see a spelling error there I

5120
05:20:41,760 --> 05:20:45,040
need to fix. Um Range Road 215 that goes

5121
05:20:45,040 --> 05:20:47,520
from Highway 25 south to the Picture

5122
05:20:47,520 --> 05:20:49,600
Golf Course Road. Uh, as I just

5123
05:20:49,600 --> 05:20:51,760
mentioned, there was some uh significant

5124
05:20:51,760 --> 05:20:53,440
deterioration on that road this past

5125
05:20:53,440 --> 05:20:56,240
year due to some hauls that occurred and

5126
05:20:56,240 --> 05:20:58,000
uh just to fix that section. There was

5127
05:20:58,000 --> 05:21:00,240
probably at least a $200,000 touch out

5128
05:21:00,240 --> 05:21:02,480
of operations. So, uh we wanted to bump

5129
05:21:02,480 --> 05:21:06,080
that up from 27 to 26 to take care of of

5130
05:21:06,080 --> 05:21:08,638
that road and not put $200,000 into a

5131
05:21:08,638 --> 05:21:10,638
road that we're planning to replace a

5132
05:21:10,638 --> 05:21:13,600
year. Uh anyway, so

5133
05:21:13,600 --> 05:21:15,520
uh so at the bottom we've got our total

5134
05:21:15,520 --> 05:21:17,280
funding. Oh,

5135
05:21:17,280 --> 05:21:19,430
>> yes. Riveridge Road.

5136
05:21:19,430 --> 05:21:19,440
» yes. Riveridge Road.

5137
05:21:19,440 --> 05:21:22,070
>> Oh, sorry. Thank you. River Ridge Road

5138
05:21:22,070 --> 05:21:22,080
» Oh, sorry. Thank you. River Ridge Road

5139
05:21:22,080 --> 05:21:24,080
Rehabilitation. Of course, that's uh in

5140
05:21:24,080 --> 05:21:25,520
your neck of the woods. Thank you for

5141
05:21:25,520 --> 05:21:28,320
pointing that out. [laughter]

5142
05:21:28,320 --> 05:21:30,230
>> Yes.

5143
05:21:30,230 --> 05:21:30,240
» Yes.

5144
05:21:30,240 --> 05:21:34,000
Um so, River Ridge Road, uh again, we're

5145
05:21:34,000 --> 05:21:36,080
proposing to do the cement stabilization

5146
05:21:36,080 --> 05:21:37,360
and that's going to be from the Highway

5147
05:21:37,360 --> 05:21:38,798
3 intersection. So, as you come off

5148
05:21:38,798 --> 05:21:40,320
Highway 3, there's a little short gravel

5149
05:21:40,320 --> 05:21:42,240
section, then it turns to Ashvalt. We're

5150
05:21:42,240 --> 05:21:44,000
going to do that whole section from the

5151
05:21:44,000 --> 05:21:46,080
intersection all the way down to the end

5152
05:21:46,080 --> 05:21:49,200
of the ashvault. uh at Township Road 92.

5153
05:21:49,200 --> 05:21:52,480
And uh what that'll provide is a uh hard

5154
05:21:52,480 --> 05:21:54,638
surface road all the way from Highway 3

5155
05:21:54,638 --> 05:21:56,718
onto Riveridge Road accessing. There's a

5156
05:21:56,718 --> 05:21:58,798
diesel repair shop there. There's

5157
05:21:58,798 --> 05:22:00,718
headwater equipment and there's Elorado

5158
05:22:00,718 --> 05:22:03,360
RV. That road as well is currently

5159
05:22:03,360 --> 05:22:04,878
permanently banned right now. And with

5160
05:22:04,878 --> 05:22:06,160
this, we'll be able to take off that

5161
05:22:06,160 --> 05:22:07,760
permanent ban and only have a seasonal

5162
05:22:07,760 --> 05:22:12,868
ban applied to it.

5163
05:22:12,878 --> 05:22:16,000
» Is there any questions on 26?

5164
05:22:16,000 --> 05:22:17,590
>> Thank you. So that does that mean it

5165
05:22:17,590 --> 05:22:17,600
» Thank you. So that does that mean it

5166
05:22:17,600 --> 05:22:19,760
goes all the way to the research station

5167
05:22:19,760 --> 05:22:22,240
road or

5168
05:22:22,240 --> 05:22:25,190
>> um close to it? Yes. So that the

5169
05:22:25,190 --> 05:22:25,200
» um close to it? Yes. So that the

5170
05:22:25,200 --> 05:22:27,040
ashvault ends

5171
05:22:27,040 --> 05:22:28,708
>> so there's that little subdivision just

5172
05:22:28,708 --> 05:22:28,718
» so there's that little subdivision just

5173
05:22:28,718 --> 05:22:30,160
south of Headwater Equipment kind of on

5174
05:22:30,160 --> 05:22:31,440
the side of the hill that residential

5175
05:22:31,440 --> 05:22:32,320
subdivision

5176
05:22:32,320 --> 05:22:33,990
>> about to that intersection is where

5177
05:22:33,990 --> 05:22:34,000
» about to that intersection is where

5178
05:22:34,000 --> 05:22:35,280
we're going. We're going to pull it just

5179
05:22:35,280 --> 05:22:36,638
past that intersection.

5180
05:22:36,638 --> 05:22:37,030
>> Okay.

5181
05:22:37,030 --> 05:22:37,040
» Okay.

5182
05:22:37,040 --> 05:22:39,190
>> Yeah.

5183
05:22:39,190 --> 05:22:39,200
» Yeah.

5184
05:22:39,200 --> 05:22:41,430
>> Yeah. the the hard surface ends

5185
05:22:41,430 --> 05:22:41,440
» Yeah. the the hard surface ends

5186
05:22:41,440 --> 05:22:44,400
basically right at the at the south end

5187
05:22:44,400 --> 05:22:47,440
of headwater almost exactly right there

5188
05:22:47,440 --> 05:22:50,638
and then it goes back to gravel at that

5189
05:22:50,638 --> 05:22:52,320
point.

5190
05:22:52,320 --> 05:22:57,520
So I drive it weekly.

5191
05:22:57,520 --> 05:22:59,600
So then just a couple other questions on

5192
05:22:59,600 --> 05:23:01,920
the McN road. When you say rehabil

5193
05:23:01,920 --> 05:23:03,680
rehabilitation, does that mean you're

5194
05:23:03,680 --> 05:23:05,920
going to rebuild some of the road

5195
05:23:05,920 --> 05:23:09,360
because uh um that quarter that's on the

5196
05:23:09,360 --> 05:23:13,680
south uh east side there? Uh I don't

5197
05:23:13,680 --> 05:23:15,920
know why it never had so much water in

5198
05:23:15,920 --> 05:23:18,400
it before in its life, but it is just

5199
05:23:18,400 --> 05:23:20,000
softening that road up something

5200
05:23:20,000 --> 05:23:21,360
terrible. Mhm.

5201
05:23:21,360 --> 05:23:23,670
>> And without correcting that problem, I

5202
05:23:23,670 --> 05:23:23,680
» And without correcting that problem, I

5203
05:23:23,680 --> 05:23:25,680
don't know there's a lot of point in in

5204
05:23:25,680 --> 05:23:27,360
doing that road until that's kind of

5205
05:23:27,360 --> 05:23:28,958
fixed.

5206
05:23:28,958 --> 05:23:31,750
>> Yes. And I do plan specifically with

5207
05:23:31,750 --> 05:23:31,760
» Yes. And I do plan specifically with

5208
05:23:31,760 --> 05:23:34,160
that road to to do some of those deep

5209
05:23:34,160 --> 05:23:35,840
strength repairs. So instead of going a

5210
05:23:35,840 --> 05:23:36,798
foot down with that cement

5211
05:23:36,798 --> 05:23:39,120
stabilization, they can peel away a foot

5212
05:23:39,120 --> 05:23:40,878
and do two feet of cement stabilization

5213
05:23:40,878 --> 05:23:42,958
to bridge that underlying saturated

5214
05:23:42,958 --> 05:23:44,798
layer. So if I know the location you're

5215
05:23:44,798 --> 05:23:46,798
talking about and uh we will definitely

5216
05:23:46,798 --> 05:23:47,520
address that.

5217
05:23:47,520 --> 05:23:49,190
>> It's the same where they turn into the

5218
05:23:49,190 --> 05:23:49,200
» It's the same where they turn into the

5219
05:23:49,200 --> 05:23:50,560
feed lot there. Yep.

5220
05:23:50,560 --> 05:23:50,948
>> Okay.

5221
05:23:50,948 --> 05:23:50,958
» Okay.

5222
05:23:50,958 --> 05:23:51,590
>> Absolutely.

5223
05:23:51,590 --> 05:23:51,600
» Absolutely.

5224
05:23:51,600 --> 05:23:53,510
>> And then on the picture golf course

5225
05:23:53,510 --> 05:23:53,520
» And then on the picture golf course

5226
05:23:53,520 --> 05:23:56,958
road, uh, does that include going to the

5227
05:23:56,958 --> 05:23:59,840
campground or is the campground approach

5228
05:23:59,840 --> 05:24:01,520
before the end of the road there? I

5229
05:24:01,520 --> 05:24:02,240
can't remember.

5230
05:24:02,240 --> 05:24:03,990
>> Yeah. So, it does include the approach

5231
05:24:03,990 --> 05:24:04,000
» Yeah. So, it does include the approach

5232
05:24:04,000 --> 05:24:05,120
to the campground. The end of the

5233
05:24:05,120 --> 05:24:07,200
ashvault goes just past the campground

5234
05:24:07,200 --> 05:24:09,600
and the entrance to the golf course. So,

5235
05:24:09,600 --> 05:24:13,200
that that uh cement stabilization will

5236
05:24:13,200 --> 05:24:15,840
uh go past both of those entrances.

5237
05:24:15,840 --> 05:24:17,430
>> So, is that the end of the road there or

5238
05:24:17,430 --> 05:24:17,440
» So, is that the end of the road there or

5239
05:24:17,440 --> 05:24:18,878
does it go further south? Uh there's a

5240
05:24:18,878 --> 05:24:21,120
gravel portion that goes further south.

5241
05:24:21,120 --> 05:24:22,070
>> Is it quite a ways?

5242
05:24:22,070 --> 05:24:22,080
» Is it quite a ways?

5243
05:24:22,080 --> 05:24:23,750
>> I I can bring it up on the map if

5244
05:24:23,750 --> 05:24:23,760
» I I can bring it up on the map if

5245
05:24:23,760 --> 05:24:25,750
>> Well, I just wondered if it if there was

5246
05:24:25,750 --> 05:24:25,760
» Well, I just wondered if it if there was

5247
05:24:25,760 --> 05:24:26,878
just a short little piece

5248
05:24:26,878 --> 05:24:29,910
>> half mile if it was point Maybe we

5249
05:24:29,910 --> 05:24:29,920
» half mile if it was point Maybe we

5250
05:24:29,920 --> 05:24:31,520
should do the whole darn thing, but I

5251
05:24:31,520 --> 05:24:32,320
don't know what's at the end of the

5252
05:24:32,320 --> 05:24:32,718
road. So

5253
05:24:32,718 --> 05:24:34,150
>> I think there is a single feed lot at

5254
05:24:34,150 --> 05:24:34,160
» I think there is a single feed lot at

5255
05:24:34,160 --> 05:24:35,680
the end of that road, I believe.

5256
05:24:35,680 --> 05:24:36,708
>> Not a feed lot.

5257
05:24:36,708 --> 05:24:36,718
» Not a feed lot.

5258
05:24:36,718 --> 05:24:39,430
>> No, it's abandoned.

5259
05:24:39,430 --> 05:24:39,440
» No, it's abandoned.

5260
05:24:39,440 --> 05:24:42,080
Okay.

5261
05:24:42,080 --> 05:24:54,708
>> Okay.

5262
05:24:54,718 --> 05:24:57,040
Okay. And then just uh a bit of a

5263
05:24:57,040 --> 05:24:58,798
funding summary. So at the bottom you'll

5264
05:24:58,798 --> 05:25:01,680
see our funding sources for the 2026

5265
05:25:01,680 --> 05:25:04,638
program. Got about 8 uh 1.8 8 million

5266
05:25:04,638 --> 05:25:08,718
out of CCBF, just about 2.3 out of LGF,

5267
05:25:08,718 --> 05:25:10,878
and almost 3.3 out of the Bridges and

5268
05:25:10,878 --> 05:25:12,638
Paved Roads Reserve for a total program

5269
05:25:12,638 --> 05:25:14,798
value of 7,350,000

5270
05:25:14,798 --> 05:25:21,750
for 2026.

5271
05:25:21,760 --> 05:25:25,840
Moving on to 27.

5272
05:25:25,840 --> 05:25:27,520
So, the first project on the list here

5273
05:25:27,520 --> 05:25:31,360
is Township Road 92 overlay, otherwise

5274
05:25:31,360 --> 05:25:33,120
known as the Walmart Express. So this is

5275
05:25:33,120 --> 05:25:35,440
the road that uh connects Cole down the

5276
05:25:35,440 --> 05:25:38,400
city of Lethbridge. Um so this project

5277
05:25:38,400 --> 05:25:40,638
would entail doing an overlay from 43rd

5278
05:25:40,638 --> 05:25:43,520
Street to Range Road 21-2.

5279
05:25:43,520 --> 05:25:46,560
So this is a mile of that 3M segment and

5280
05:25:46,560 --> 05:25:48,560
it is projected uh through our asset

5281
05:25:48,560 --> 05:25:49,920
management program to require that

5282
05:25:49,920 --> 05:25:51,680
overlay to preserve the existing

5283
05:25:51,680 --> 05:25:53,680
subgrade of the road uh prevent water

5284
05:25:53,680 --> 05:25:55,760
infiltration and extend the life of that

5285
05:25:55,760 --> 05:26:00,550
uh particular segment of roadway.

5286
05:26:00,560 --> 05:26:04,560
The next one is Range Road 20-5.

5287
05:26:04,560 --> 05:26:07,680
So, this is the portion of road just

5288
05:26:07,680 --> 05:26:09,360
south of Highway 512 that goes to the

5289
05:26:09,360 --> 05:26:12,080
Vista Meadows subdivision. Uh, again,

5290
05:26:12,080 --> 05:26:14,400
this the existing road is in fairly poor

5291
05:26:14,400 --> 05:26:15,840
condition, requires continual

5292
05:26:15,840 --> 05:26:18,638
maintenance, and uh felt that cement

5293
05:26:18,638 --> 05:26:20,160
stabilization was the best method of

5294
05:26:20,160 --> 05:26:22,560
rehabilitation for this segment of road.

5295
05:26:22,560 --> 05:26:24,400
And it'll be about 1 kilometer long.

5296
05:26:24,400 --> 05:26:26,000
It'll go past the entrance to Vista

5297
05:26:26,000 --> 05:26:27,920
Meadows uh a little ways a couple

5298
05:26:27,920 --> 05:26:29,280
hundred meters. I believe the Ashefalt

5299
05:26:29,280 --> 05:26:32,320
ends on that segment of road. Uh that

5300
05:26:32,320 --> 05:26:35,600
one as well uh to Lauren's uh point does

5301
05:26:35,600 --> 05:26:37,600
have some soft spots in it that we will

5302
05:26:37,600 --> 05:26:39,120
address through design and construction.

5303
05:26:39,120 --> 05:26:41,760
Ensure that uh that subgrade is

5304
05:26:41,760 --> 05:26:43,760
appropriate for the traffic loading that

5305
05:26:43,760 --> 05:26:45,200
it'll experience.

5306
05:26:45,200 --> 05:26:46,788
>> Is that banned, Deon?

5307
05:26:46,788 --> 05:26:46,798
» Is that banned, Deon?

5308
05:26:46,798 --> 05:26:49,110
>> I believe it's currently banned. Yeah,

5309
05:26:49,110 --> 05:26:49,120
» I believe it's currently banned. Yeah,

5310
05:26:49,120 --> 05:26:50,638
I'm pretty sure it's permanently banned.

5311
05:26:50,638 --> 05:26:52,958
Yeah. And moving forward with that uh

5312
05:26:52,958 --> 05:26:55,760
after that uh application, would it

5313
05:26:55,760 --> 05:26:57,280
continue to be then probably or

5314
05:26:57,280 --> 05:26:58,628
>> just seasonally banned like the rest of

5315
05:26:58,628 --> 05:26:58,638
» just seasonally banned like the rest of

5316
05:26:58,638 --> 05:27:00,400
our roads? Yeah. All and I'll just thank

5317
05:27:00,400 --> 05:27:01,920
you for bringing that up. Whenever we're

5318
05:27:01,920 --> 05:27:03,840
doing these cement stabilized roads,

5319
05:27:03,840 --> 05:27:05,360
they will be a seasonally banned only

5320
05:27:05,360 --> 05:27:06,798
just like our paved roads. They do not

5321
05:27:06,798 --> 05:27:08,798
need to be permanently banned anymore.

5322
05:27:08,798 --> 05:27:11,910
>> Okay, cool. Thank you.

5323
05:27:11,910 --> 05:27:11,920
» Okay, cool. Thank you.

5324
05:27:11,920 --> 05:27:15,670
>> The next is uh Range Road 20-5. This is

5325
05:27:15,670 --> 05:27:15,680
» The next is uh Range Road 20-5. This is

5326
05:27:15,680 --> 05:27:19,200
just a double chip seal project. So

5327
05:27:19,200 --> 05:27:20,560
otherwise known as the Ffield

5328
05:27:20,560 --> 05:27:24,000
subdivision road um between highway 5 or

5329
05:27:24,000 --> 05:27:26,718
sorry highway 4 and 508. Um again

5330
05:27:26,718 --> 05:27:28,638
through our asset management program and

5331
05:27:28,638 --> 05:27:31,360
subsequent uh conditional assessments a

5332
05:27:31,360 --> 05:27:33,840
double chip seal is required to uh seal

5333
05:27:33,840 --> 05:27:35,360
the existing surface and preserve the

5334
05:27:35,360 --> 05:27:37,440
roadway and extend the useful life of

5335
05:27:37,440 --> 05:27:41,680
that of that portion of roadway.

5336
05:27:41,680 --> 05:27:43,920
One one nice thing with these uh chip

5337
05:27:43,920 --> 05:27:45,440
seals that we're doing is we actually

5338
05:27:45,440 --> 05:27:47,760
have our own pile of chip seal aggregate

5339
05:27:47,760 --> 05:27:49,600
in our rackus pit that we have the

5340
05:27:49,600 --> 05:27:51,200
contractors use. So we're able to save

5341
05:27:51,200 --> 05:27:54,000
some some money on aggregate crushing

5342
05:27:54,000 --> 05:27:56,080
and hauling because we have that source

5343
05:27:56,080 --> 05:27:58,240
in our rackus pit. However, I do give

5344
05:27:58,240 --> 05:27:59,760
the contractor the option if they want

5345
05:27:59,760 --> 05:28:01,360
to whatever's cheapest. If they want to

5346
05:28:01,360 --> 05:28:02,718
haul it because they've got a lot closer

5347
05:28:02,718 --> 05:28:04,080
and they give me a better price, I'll

5348
05:28:04,080 --> 05:28:05,600
take it. If it's cheaper to take our

5349
05:28:05,600 --> 05:28:10,548
aggregate, then we'll go that route.

5350
05:28:10,558 --> 05:28:12,240
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Sort of off topic,

5351
05:28:12,240 --> 05:28:14,958
but is that like a a special crush or is

5352
05:28:14,958 --> 05:28:17,520
that something that's a byproduct of

5353
05:28:17,520 --> 05:28:18,080
crushing?

5354
05:28:18,080 --> 05:28:27,030
>> No, it is a special product. Yeah.

5355
05:28:27,040 --> 05:28:29,840
» Um the next project is Shaughnessy

5356
05:28:29,840 --> 05:28:33,040
Sanitary Sewer Pipeline Lining.

5357
05:28:33,040 --> 05:28:35,040
Um so we've done we've done some sewer

5358
05:28:35,040 --> 05:28:37,360
pipelining this year with with fantastic

5359
05:28:37,360 --> 05:28:39,840
success. Uh if you're not aware of what

5360
05:28:39,840 --> 05:28:42,638
uh lining a pipe is, they basically send

5361
05:28:42,638 --> 05:28:44,958
uh a sock through our existing pipe with

5362
05:28:44,958 --> 05:28:47,280
resin. They bake it in place, cut out

5363
05:28:47,280 --> 05:28:50,160
all the services, and you get basically

5364
05:28:50,160 --> 05:28:52,160
another 75-year pipe out of this. It's a

5365
05:28:52,160 --> 05:28:53,920
brand new pipe inside of your existing

5366
05:28:53,920 --> 05:28:56,400
pipe. Shaughnessy is full of clay pipe.

5367
05:28:56,400 --> 05:28:57,840
That was just the type of material they

5368
05:28:57,840 --> 05:29:00,558
used at the time. So, by doing this, we

5369
05:29:00,558 --> 05:29:02,400
basically do not have to tear up and dig

5370
05:29:02,400 --> 05:29:04,958
up the road to replace a pipe. We line

5371
05:29:04,958 --> 05:29:07,040
it and uh and we're saving a lot of

5372
05:29:07,040 --> 05:29:09,360
expense with not having to to do any

5373
05:29:09,360 --> 05:29:13,830
other repairs on the roadway itself.

5374
05:29:13,840 --> 05:29:15,680
» Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5375
05:29:15,680 --> 05:29:17,510
>> Have you guys used that before?

5376
05:29:17,510 --> 05:29:17,520
» Have you guys used that before?

5377
05:29:17,520 --> 05:29:18,310
>> Yes, we have.

5378
05:29:18,310 --> 05:29:18,320
» Yes, we have.

5379
05:29:18,320 --> 05:29:20,470
>> And have you had good experiences with

5380
05:29:20,470 --> 05:29:20,480
» And have you had good experiences with

5381
05:29:20,480 --> 05:29:20,878
it?

5382
05:29:20,878 --> 05:29:23,030
>> Very good. Yeah, it is it is something

5383
05:29:23,030 --> 05:29:23,040
» Very good. Yeah, it is it is something

5384
05:29:23,040 --> 05:29:25,760
that uh we've used for a few years now.

5385
05:29:25,760 --> 05:29:27,600
I know other municipalities use it as

5386
05:29:27,600 --> 05:29:30,878
well with with uh great success. So um

5387
05:29:30,878 --> 05:29:33,520
yeah, it is a it is a very a very

5388
05:29:33,520 --> 05:29:35,040
cost-effective product and very

5389
05:29:35,040 --> 05:29:38,000
unintrusive uh way of rehabilitating our

5390
05:29:38,000 --> 05:29:39,440
sewer infrastructure.

5391
05:29:39,440 --> 05:29:41,510
>> It's spectacular technology.

5392
05:29:41,510 --> 05:29:41,520
» It's spectacular technology.

5393
05:29:41,520 --> 05:29:45,830
>> It is. Yeah.

5394
05:29:45,840 --> 05:29:47,520
» So the next one, a couple bridge

5395
05:29:47,520 --> 05:29:52,320
replacements, uh 79597 and 79618.

5396
05:29:52,320 --> 05:29:57,040
597 is located uh on 20-5 just north of

5397
05:29:57,040 --> 05:30:01,120
102 and 618 is located on 211 just south

5398
05:30:01,120 --> 05:30:03,840
of Highway 512. And like our other

5399
05:30:03,840 --> 05:30:05,280
bridges, they're projected to reach the

5400
05:30:05,280 --> 05:30:07,200
end of our use their useful life and

5401
05:30:07,200 --> 05:30:10,558
will require replacement in 2027. And as

5402
05:30:10,558 --> 05:30:12,718
always, we will apply for stip funding

5403
05:30:12,718 --> 05:30:14,240
to uh to try and get some of that

5404
05:30:14,240 --> 05:30:17,520
competitive grant funding.

5405
05:30:17,520 --> 05:30:20,320
The next is Township Road 90 or Mountain

5406
05:30:20,320 --> 05:30:22,240
Meadows Road, Walsh Drive, whatever you

5407
05:30:22,240 --> 05:30:24,558
want to call it. Uh isolated repair and

5408
05:30:24,558 --> 05:30:27,360
double chip seal. So last year um

5409
05:30:27,360 --> 05:30:29,280
operations conducted some soft spot

5410
05:30:29,280 --> 05:30:31,520
repair out there as there was some uh

5411
05:30:31,520 --> 05:30:34,160
issues with some heaving ashalt. Uh this

5412
05:30:34,160 --> 05:30:36,320
project proposes to do a little bit more

5413
05:30:36,320 --> 05:30:38,558
soft uh isolated spot repair primarily

5414
05:30:38,558 --> 05:30:41,040
at the west limits of that road. As the

5415
05:30:41,040 --> 05:30:43,280
ashalt transitions to gravel, it is

5416
05:30:43,280 --> 05:30:44,400
getting chewed up and it's kind of

5417
05:30:44,400 --> 05:30:46,160
eating back towards the east. So

5418
05:30:46,160 --> 05:30:49,280
reestablishing that and uh doing a chip

5419
05:30:49,280 --> 05:30:51,040
a double chip seal layer on that

5420
05:30:51,040 --> 05:30:53,040
ashvault preserve the surface and the

5421
05:30:53,040 --> 05:30:55,520
subgrade and uh and extend the life of

5422
05:30:55,520 --> 05:31:01,030
that roadway.

5423
05:31:01,040 --> 05:31:04,400
» Um just a uh I got a significant number

5424
05:31:04,400 --> 05:31:05,920
of thank yous from the Mountain Meadow

5425
05:31:05,920 --> 05:31:08,878
people about the soft spot repair that

5426
05:31:08,878 --> 05:31:11,760
was done because that's something that

5427
05:31:11,760 --> 05:31:14,638
they've uh had a major concern about for

5428
05:31:14,638 --> 05:31:18,080
years. So yeah, but yeah, I got got some

5429
05:31:18,080 --> 05:31:19,840
good positive feedback from that. So

5430
05:31:19,840 --> 05:31:23,670
>> good, good to hear. Thank you.

5431
05:31:23,670 --> 05:31:23,680
» good, good to hear. Thank you.

5432
05:31:23,680 --> 05:31:26,070
>> And then the last one is some upgrades

5433
05:31:26,070 --> 05:31:26,080
» And then the last one is some upgrades

5434
05:31:26,080 --> 05:31:29,360
to the Tiffen Basin. Um so as I kind of

5435
05:31:29,360 --> 05:31:30,958
mentioned before with the McNal Road, we

5436
05:31:30,958 --> 05:31:32,878
do have a Tiffen Basin storm water

5437
05:31:32,878 --> 05:31:35,120
drainage plan. Uh if you're familiar

5438
05:31:35,120 --> 05:31:37,360
with that area, when we do get severe

5439
05:31:37,360 --> 05:31:39,360
rain events and melt events, there is

5440
05:31:39,360 --> 05:31:41,440
significant flooding in that area. So,

5441
05:31:41,440 --> 05:31:43,200
this project will help alleviate some of

5442
05:31:43,200 --> 05:31:44,718
that flooding and it includes the

5443
05:31:44,718 --> 05:31:48,160
installation of 300 m of 1500 mil

5444
05:31:48,160 --> 05:31:50,638
pipeline. Uh, if you're familiar with

5445
05:31:50,638 --> 05:31:52,718
the tiff and dairy, there is an existing

5446
05:31:52,718 --> 05:31:55,200
1500 mil concrete pipe that does take

5447
05:31:55,200 --> 05:31:57,360
some storm water drainage, but it is

5448
05:31:57,360 --> 05:32:00,718
undized and the report that we had

5449
05:32:00,718 --> 05:32:03,200
completed uh suggested another 1500 mil

5450
05:32:03,200 --> 05:32:05,120
pipe is required to accommodate the

5451
05:32:05,120 --> 05:32:07,520
storm water flows in that area. So this

5452
05:32:07,520 --> 05:32:09,520
project is to essentially install that

5453
05:32:09,520 --> 05:32:12,400
that 1500 millimeter pipe to reduce the

5454
05:32:12,400 --> 05:32:14,160
impacts of overland flooding in that

5455
05:32:14,160 --> 05:32:16,718
Tiffen basin. Uh that is the downstream

5456
05:32:16,718 --> 05:32:20,160
reach of this basin. So as we progress

5457
05:32:20,160 --> 05:32:22,000
uh through some of our other drainage

5458
05:32:22,000 --> 05:32:23,440
projects throughout the years, we'll

5459
05:32:23,440 --> 05:32:25,440
work further upstream to to help

5460
05:32:25,440 --> 05:32:28,718
alleviate some of those pressures. Our

5461
05:32:28,718 --> 05:32:31,520
funding summary for 27, uh, just over

5462
05:32:31,520 --> 05:32:34,798
500,000 from CCBF, almost 3 million from

5463
05:32:34,798 --> 05:32:38,480
LGF, and almost 1.7 million from the

5464
05:32:38,480 --> 05:32:40,480
Bridges and Paved Roads Reserve for a

5465
05:32:40,480 --> 05:32:47,350
total program value of 5.17 million.

5466
05:32:47,360 --> 05:32:52,948
Any questions before I go to 28?

5467
05:32:52,958 --> 05:32:56,400
So 2028 Range Road 21-1, otherwise known

5468
05:32:56,400 --> 05:32:59,520
as the How Road overlay. Um, this is

5469
05:32:59,520 --> 05:33:02,080
again a uh part of our asset management

5470
05:33:02,080 --> 05:33:03,840
program. We need to do an overlay on

5471
05:33:03,840 --> 05:33:06,878
this road from Highway 4 to 512 to

5472
05:33:06,878 --> 05:33:09,360
preserve the existing ashalt and base

5473
05:33:09,360 --> 05:33:12,558
structure and um extend the life of this

5474
05:33:12,558 --> 05:33:17,840
road and that is uh 4.4 km in length.

5475
05:33:17,840 --> 05:33:22,160
a couple bridge files 79599 and 600.

5476
05:33:22,160 --> 05:33:25,680
They are located on 20-3 and Township

5477
05:33:25,680 --> 05:33:27,200
Road 102. They're kind of right beside

5478
05:33:27,200 --> 05:33:29,040
each other. So, we're going to engineer,

5479
05:33:29,040 --> 05:33:31,120
design, and tender these out at once

5480
05:33:31,120 --> 05:33:32,638
because they are literally right beside

5481
05:33:32,638 --> 05:33:34,240
each other. And we should see some

5482
05:33:34,240 --> 05:33:36,000
savings in bundling those projects

5483
05:33:36,000 --> 05:33:38,000
together.

5484
05:33:38,000 --> 05:33:41,120
Um, and yeah, that is just part of again

5485
05:33:41,120 --> 05:33:43,120
our regular uh bridge replacement

5486
05:33:43,120 --> 05:33:45,040
program and we'll apply for step funding

5487
05:33:45,040 --> 05:33:48,948
for those bridges as well.

5488
05:33:48,958 --> 05:33:51,200
And then the next one, as I alluded to

5489
05:33:51,200 --> 05:33:53,920
before, is kind of the final phase of

5490
05:33:53,920 --> 05:33:56,638
that Westview Road/Old Highway 23 cement

5491
05:33:56,638 --> 05:33:59,280
stabilization and double chip seal. So

5492
05:33:59,280 --> 05:34:01,600
this includes the portion of Township

5493
05:34:01,600 --> 05:34:06,558
Road 100 A or 10-0 from 234 to the

5494
05:34:06,558 --> 05:34:09,200
Palister School entrance and then west

5495
05:34:09,200 --> 05:34:12,160
and north towards 102 uh through cement

5496
05:34:12,160 --> 05:34:14,400
stabilization and double chip seal. And

5497
05:34:14,400 --> 05:34:16,240
this will then close that gap between

5498
05:34:16,240 --> 05:34:17,760
the north and the south sections, making

5499
05:34:17,760 --> 05:34:19,920
that whole corridor cement stabilized

5500
05:34:19,920 --> 05:34:25,670
and a uh only seasonally banned road.

5501
05:34:25,680 --> 05:34:28,558
» Oh, thank you

5502
05:34:28,558 --> 05:34:31,990
there.

5503
05:34:32,000 --> 05:34:36,638
And for 28, our funding is 350,000 from

5504
05:34:36,638 --> 05:34:39,920
CCBF, 3.19 million from local government

5505
05:34:39,920 --> 05:34:41,920
fiscal framework, and 1.89 989 through

5506
05:34:41,920 --> 05:34:44,000
the bridges and paved roads reserve for

5507
05:34:44,000 --> 05:34:49,030
a total program value of 5,430,000.

5508
05:34:49,040 --> 05:34:52,080
» Thank you. Um so just on our road going

5509
05:34:52,080 --> 05:34:54,480
north of 512 what's the condition of

5510
05:34:54,480 --> 05:34:58,638
that road that that pavement is it

5511
05:34:58,638 --> 05:35:00,320
pretty good yet or not or

5512
05:35:00,320 --> 05:35:01,670
>> so north of 512.

5513
05:35:01,670 --> 05:35:01,680
» so north of 512.

5514
05:35:01,680 --> 05:35:02,788
>> Yeah,

5515
05:35:02,788 --> 05:35:02,798
» Yeah,

5516
05:35:02,798 --> 05:35:05,110
>> that is the Corteva road I believe

5517
05:35:05,110 --> 05:35:05,120
» that is the Corteva road I believe

5518
05:35:05,120 --> 05:35:05,670
>> it is.

5519
05:35:05,670 --> 05:35:05,680
» it is.

5520
05:35:05,680 --> 05:35:09,270
>> Yes. Yeah, we did an overlay on that 34.

5521
05:35:09,270 --> 05:35:09,280
» Yes. Yeah, we did an overlay on that 34.

5522
05:35:09,280 --> 05:35:11,520
Yeah, somewhere in there. So that the

5523
05:35:11,520 --> 05:35:13,920
we've got at least another 15 years on

5524
05:35:13,920 --> 05:35:21,590
that road. Yeah.

5525
05:35:21,600 --> 05:35:24,160
Going into 29.

5526
05:35:24,160 --> 05:35:26,798
So again, we've got Township Road 92 on

5527
05:35:26,798 --> 05:35:29,760
here, which is the known as the Walmart

5528
05:35:29,760 --> 05:35:31,920
Express. So again, another overlay, and

5529
05:35:31,920 --> 05:35:33,840
this is from the end limits from the

5530
05:35:33,840 --> 05:35:35,760
previous project to the Broxburn Road,

5531
05:35:35,760 --> 05:35:37,840
completing two miles of an overlay. Uh

5532
05:35:37,840 --> 05:35:39,360
again this is scheduled as part of our

5533
05:35:39,360 --> 05:35:41,680
asset management program uh to preserve

5534
05:35:41,680 --> 05:35:44,558
the existing pavement and road structure

5535
05:35:44,558 --> 05:35:48,000
thereby extending the life of the road.

5536
05:35:48,000 --> 05:35:49,520
Uh Shaughnessy infrastructure

5537
05:35:49,520 --> 05:35:51,440
improvements which is water storm water

5538
05:35:51,440 --> 05:35:53,600
and road improvements. Pretty large

5539
05:35:53,600 --> 05:35:55,840
project for Shaughnessy. Uh this one

5540
05:35:55,840 --> 05:35:57,600
includes the reconstruction of first

5541
05:35:57,600 --> 05:35:59,360
street and a portion of third street and

5542
05:35:59,360 --> 05:36:01,680
Shaughnessy. Water manes and service

5543
05:36:01,680 --> 05:36:03,760
connections will be upgraded along first

5544
05:36:03,760 --> 05:36:05,920
street and third street and storm water

5545
05:36:05,920 --> 05:36:08,240
retention ponds will be constructed. So

5546
05:36:08,240 --> 05:36:10,160
this is another phase of the of the work

5547
05:36:10,160 --> 05:36:11,920
that we're doing in Shaughnessy. I

5548
05:36:11,920 --> 05:36:13,760
talked about the sewer lining before. If

5549
05:36:13,760 --> 05:36:16,558
you recall this project was further in

5550
05:36:16,558 --> 05:36:19,280
um it was further up in the budget

5551
05:36:19,280 --> 05:36:20,480
because of the information we had

5552
05:36:20,480 --> 05:36:22,160
indicated there was some PVC pipe out

5553
05:36:22,160 --> 05:36:23,920
there. Uh further investigation

5554
05:36:23,920 --> 05:36:25,440
concluded that we had those clay tile

5555
05:36:25,440 --> 05:36:26,798
pipes. So instead of ripping up the

5556
05:36:26,798 --> 05:36:28,638
streets as I alluded to before, we lined

5557
05:36:28,638 --> 05:36:30,558
those. We'll get all the sanitary sewer

5558
05:36:30,558 --> 05:36:32,240
lining complete and then we'll come in

5559
05:36:32,240 --> 05:36:34,240
after address the water manes where we

5560
05:36:34,240 --> 05:36:35,520
need to because there are some water

5561
05:36:35,520 --> 05:36:37,120
manes in Shaughnessy that are 4 in and

5562
05:36:37,120 --> 05:36:38,718
not 6 in which means you can't have a

5563
05:36:38,718 --> 05:36:40,958
fire hydrant. So for fire protection

5564
05:36:40,958 --> 05:36:43,600
purposes uh we need that 6-in water

5565
05:36:43,600 --> 05:36:45,600
line. There's not a lot of 4in in

5566
05:36:45,600 --> 05:36:47,360
Shaughnessy, but by upgrading to 6 in,

5567
05:36:47,360 --> 05:36:49,360
we'll be able to meet those standards.

5568
05:36:49,360 --> 05:36:51,520
And uh then also the storm water

5569
05:36:51,520 --> 05:36:53,680
retention ponds as Shaughnessy does not

5570
05:36:53,680 --> 05:36:55,600
have uh any current storm water

5571
05:36:55,600 --> 05:36:57,920
management just and you'll notice some a

5572
05:36:57,920 --> 05:36:59,440
lot of our hamlets don't have that. They

5573
05:36:59,440 --> 05:37:02,240
are grandfathered. Um basically

5574
05:37:02,240 --> 05:37:03,760
nowadays, if you were to construct those

5575
05:37:03,760 --> 05:37:05,120
subdivisions, you need storm water

5576
05:37:05,120 --> 05:37:06,798
management because our hamlets are so

5577
05:37:06,798 --> 05:37:08,958
old. It isn't a requirement. Uh, but it

5578
05:37:08,958 --> 05:37:10,718
is a best practice wherever possible to

5579
05:37:10,718 --> 05:37:12,480
try and mitigate the the storm water

5580
05:37:12,480 --> 05:37:14,558
flows and problem areas that we have in

5581
05:37:14,558 --> 05:37:15,840
some of our amlets.

5582
05:37:15,840 --> 05:37:18,070
>> Deon, just a question.

5583
05:37:18,070 --> 05:37:18,080
» Deon, just a question.

5584
05:37:18,080 --> 05:37:20,708
>> Thanks, Deon.

5585
05:37:20,708 --> 05:37:20,718
» Thanks, Deon.

5586
05:37:20,718 --> 05:37:25,110
>> I've been called worse.

5587
05:37:25,120 --> 05:37:28,248
» Now, I'm really off my game. Um,

5588
05:37:28,248 --> 05:37:32,240
[laughter] when we're doing the the

5589
05:37:32,240 --> 05:37:34,798
doing the water revitalization in

5590
05:37:34,798 --> 05:37:37,760
Shaughnessy, are I'm assuming the water

5591
05:37:37,760 --> 05:37:39,600
lines are below the sewer lines in terms

5592
05:37:39,600 --> 05:37:42,320
of depth. Is there when we're doing

5593
05:37:42,320 --> 05:37:43,360
that, is there going to be any

5594
05:37:43,360 --> 05:37:45,200
disruption to the sewer lines that we've

5595
05:37:45,200 --> 05:37:47,200
lined two years earlier?

5596
05:37:47,200 --> 05:37:49,750
>> Sorry, the water line is above the sewer

5597
05:37:49,750 --> 05:37:49,760
» Sorry, the water line is above the sewer

5598
05:37:49,760 --> 05:37:50,080
line.

5599
05:37:50,080 --> 05:37:51,830
>> It is above the sewer line. Okay. Yeah.

5600
05:37:51,830 --> 05:37:51,840
» It is above the sewer line. Okay. Yeah.

5601
05:37:51,840 --> 05:37:57,270
Well, then never mind. [snorts]

5602
05:37:57,280 --> 05:37:59,840
Okay. And then the final one for 2029 is

5603
05:37:59,840 --> 05:38:03,200
bridge file 79865. Again, part of our

5604
05:38:03,200 --> 05:38:05,600
regular bridge replacement program. Uh

5605
05:38:05,600 --> 05:38:07,600
it's just a few miles northwest or

5606
05:38:07,600 --> 05:38:10,798
northeast of picture but uh again we

5607
05:38:10,798 --> 05:38:12,638
will apply for step funding for that

5608
05:38:12,638 --> 05:38:17,040
project. Our funding summary CCBF is uh

5609
05:38:17,040 --> 05:38:21,040
1.18 million LGF 3.4 million bridges and

5610
05:38:21,040 --> 05:38:23,280
paved roads reserve 1.4 4 million and

5611
05:38:23,280 --> 05:38:24,958
the utility reserve for that Shaughnessy

5612
05:38:24,958 --> 05:38:27,360
project at 1.3 million for a total

5613
05:38:27,360 --> 05:38:35,190
program value of 7.28 million.

5614
05:38:35,200 --> 05:38:38,000
Finally, as we get into 2030,

5615
05:38:38,000 --> 05:38:39,840
we've got another bridge replacement

5616
05:38:39,840 --> 05:38:42,320
79769

5617
05:38:42,320 --> 05:38:44,000
uh just a few miles southeast of

5618
05:38:44,000 --> 05:38:45,520
Coldale.

5619
05:38:45,520 --> 05:38:47,200
Again, as part of our regular bridge

5620
05:38:47,200 --> 05:38:50,558
replacement program, Township Road 104

5621
05:38:50,558 --> 05:38:52,080
rehabilitation.

5622
05:38:52,080 --> 05:38:54,400
So, this is up by our Nolan Hill Greater

5623
05:38:54,400 --> 05:38:56,080
Camp. There's a section of paved road

5624
05:38:56,080 --> 05:38:58,000
that goes to the east that is

5625
05:38:58,000 --> 05:38:59,760
permanently banned and in very poor

5626
05:38:59,760 --> 05:39:02,400
condition. And what this project would

5627
05:39:02,400 --> 05:39:05,520
do would uh basically cement stabilize

5628
05:39:05,520 --> 05:39:07,680
and double chip seal that road as a lot

5629
05:39:07,680 --> 05:39:10,080
of it is uh you have to take quite a

5630
05:39:10,080 --> 05:39:11,600
detour to get around that segment of

5631
05:39:11,600 --> 05:39:13,280
road if you're hauling full weights. So,

5632
05:39:13,280 --> 05:39:15,520
by completing this project again, we'll

5633
05:39:15,520 --> 05:39:17,680
have just that seasonal ban. And I'm

5634
05:39:17,680 --> 05:39:19,440
also going to pull the hard surface to

5635
05:39:19,440 --> 05:39:21,040
the road that heads down to the river

5636
05:39:21,040 --> 05:39:22,958
bottom, which is ashalt to those

5637
05:39:22,958 --> 05:39:25,600
acreages down below. So, it'll be a hard

5638
05:39:25,600 --> 05:39:26,958
surface all the way down to the bottom

5639
05:39:26,958 --> 05:39:28,798
there and lifting that permanent

5640
05:39:28,798 --> 05:39:31,440
roadband to allow for um heavy truck

5641
05:39:31,440 --> 05:39:33,840
traffic.

5642
05:39:33,840 --> 05:39:36,230
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh why is

5643
05:39:36,230 --> 05:39:36,240
» Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh why is

5644
05:39:36,240 --> 05:39:39,120
that a hard surface road? Why is it p I

5645
05:39:39,120 --> 05:39:41,040
I honestly don't know councelor Vanesson

5646
05:39:41,040 --> 05:39:44,160
why it was paved to begin with. Um but I

5647
05:39:44,160 --> 05:39:46,798
just know it's it is fairly poor

5648
05:39:46,798 --> 05:39:48,878
condition and it is permanently banned

5649
05:39:48,878 --> 05:39:50,798
which as I alluded to before does cause

5650
05:39:50,798 --> 05:39:52,320
quite a detour for that heavy truck

5651
05:39:52,320 --> 05:39:56,718
traffic trying to access Highway 45.

5652
05:39:56,718 --> 05:39:58,320
Sorry, I don't know why it was paved to

5653
05:39:58,320 --> 05:39:59,120
begin with.

5654
05:39:59,120 --> 05:40:01,270
>> Well, it seems to reflect the special

5655
05:40:01,270 --> 05:40:01,280
» Well, it seems to reflect the special

5656
05:40:01,280 --> 05:40:04,558
interest or so versus general good. So

5657
05:40:04,558 --> 05:40:06,160
thanks.

5658
05:40:06,160 --> 05:40:07,920
Well, the old part going to the river

5659
05:40:07,920 --> 05:40:09,760
that was part of the old highway, was it

5660
05:40:09,760 --> 05:40:10,160
not?

5661
05:40:10,160 --> 05:40:10,708
>> Correct.

5662
05:40:10,708 --> 05:40:10,718
» Correct.

5663
05:40:10,718 --> 05:40:14,628
>> Yeah.

5664
05:40:14,638 --> 05:40:29,110
» I don't know. Yeah.

5665
05:40:29,120 --> 05:40:32,320
» And then the last project for 2030 is

5666
05:40:32,320 --> 05:40:34,320
Township Road 84 and that's a double

5667
05:40:34,320 --> 05:40:36,240
chip seal. So that's the road from

5668
05:40:36,240 --> 05:40:37,840
basically where the YMCA is out to

5669
05:40:37,840 --> 05:40:42,080
Sunset Acres. Um basically just sealing

5670
05:40:42,080 --> 05:40:43,760
up the surface of that road, preventing

5671
05:40:43,760 --> 05:40:46,638
any water infiltration and uh extending

5672
05:40:46,638 --> 05:40:48,480
the life of that road. So you'll notice

5673
05:40:48,480 --> 05:40:50,638
in 2030 that the budget is a little bit

5674
05:40:50,638 --> 05:40:52,558
light. Usually in the last 1 to two

5675
05:40:52,558 --> 05:40:54,638
years, I try and keep I try and keep

5676
05:40:54,638 --> 05:40:56,558
some leeway for some projects that may

5677
05:40:56,558 --> 05:40:59,440
come up that may be un unexpected. Um

5678
05:40:59,440 --> 05:41:00,558
which is why you're seeing a total

5679
05:41:00,558 --> 05:41:08,070
program value of 1.51 million for 2030.

5680
05:41:08,080 --> 05:41:10,080
And that concludes the infrastructure

5681
05:41:10,080 --> 05:41:11,680
capital budget. Is there any questions

5682
05:41:11,680 --> 05:41:13,520
from council?

5683
05:41:13,520 --> 05:41:17,110
>> Thank you. I do have one. In 1984

5684
05:41:17,110 --> 05:41:17,120
» Thank you. I do have one. In 1984

5685
05:41:17,120 --> 05:41:19,600
when the SMRD rehabed the main canal

5686
05:41:19,600 --> 05:41:22,480
there and put all those new bridges in.

5687
05:41:22,480 --> 05:41:24,638
Uh about four years later than that,

5688
05:41:24,638 --> 05:41:27,360
they came along and they uh sandlasted

5689
05:41:27,360 --> 05:41:30,240
all the uh support columns and repainted

5690
05:41:30,240 --> 05:41:32,320
them. But the paint is really coming off

5691
05:41:32,320 --> 05:41:34,400
those now and they're starting to rust.

5692
05:41:34,400 --> 05:41:36,638
Is that is our responsibility to look

5693
05:41:36,638 --> 05:41:39,040
after that portion of it? Or

5694
05:41:39,040 --> 05:41:40,708
>> if if the bridge is owned by the county,

5695
05:41:40,708 --> 05:41:40,718
» if if the bridge is owned by the county,

5696
05:41:40,718 --> 05:41:42,240
then yes, it would be. I'd have to look

5697
05:41:42,240 --> 05:41:44,080
at those bridges in particular to see if

5698
05:41:44,080 --> 05:41:45,920
they're SMRDs or Lethbridge counties.

5699
05:41:45,920 --> 05:41:47,200
But yes, if they're the counties, that

5700
05:41:47,200 --> 05:41:49,280
would be part of Ryan's operational

5701
05:41:49,280 --> 05:41:51,200
budget for bridge maintenance, things

5702
05:41:51,200 --> 05:41:52,638
like that. Yeah,

5703
05:41:52,638 --> 05:41:55,110
>> because before they get too much further

5704
05:41:55,110 --> 05:41:55,120
» because before they get too much further

5705
05:41:55,120 --> 05:41:56,558
deteriorated, it would be a good thing

5706
05:41:56,558 --> 05:41:57,200
to

5707
05:41:57,200 --> 05:41:59,270
>> Yeah. Maybe I'll uh I'll maybe catch you

5708
05:41:59,270 --> 05:41:59,280
» Yeah. Maybe I'll uh I'll maybe catch you

5709
05:41:59,280 --> 05:42:00,400
after and we'll take a look at those

5710
05:42:00,400 --> 05:42:20,070
bridges. Yeah, if that's okay.

5711
05:42:20,080 --> 05:42:21,200
» Oh, I guess I didn't go through the

5712
05:42:21,200 --> 05:42:36,788
summary.

5713
05:42:36,798 --> 05:42:39,360
Um I realized after I did the uh

5714
05:42:39,360 --> 05:42:41,040
operating forecast it probably would

5715
05:42:41,040 --> 05:42:42,320
have been helpful to have this next

5716
05:42:42,320 --> 05:42:45,200
slide um just in terms of a visual. So,

5717
05:42:45,200 --> 05:42:46,878
I'll have to add that uh to the

5718
05:42:46,878 --> 05:42:49,200
presentation for the next update just

5719
05:42:49,200 --> 05:42:51,680
given uh the complexity of the market

5720
05:42:51,680 --> 05:42:54,718
access network and I've had some trouble

5721
05:42:54,718 --> 05:42:56,320
trying to wrap my head around what how

5722
05:42:56,320 --> 05:42:58,958
this program works. So, um bear with me

5723
05:42:58,958 --> 05:43:00,480
as I try and walk through this and

5724
05:43:00,480 --> 05:43:02,958
explain because it's a bit complex. But

5725
05:43:02,958 --> 05:43:04,638
when we looked at that operating

5726
05:43:04,638 --> 05:43:06,480
forecast previously and we talked about

5727
05:43:06,480 --> 05:43:10,240
that 500 hall route, it's essentially

5728
05:43:10,240 --> 05:43:13,040
one component of the market access

5729
05:43:13,040 --> 05:43:14,638
network because there's essentially

5730
05:43:14,638 --> 05:43:17,840
three different revenue streams that

5731
05:43:17,840 --> 05:43:20,558
contribute to this program which then

5732
05:43:20,558 --> 05:43:23,680
flows as a funding source to some of the

5733
05:43:23,680 --> 05:43:25,840
proposed programs that you saw that

5734
05:43:25,840 --> 05:43:27,280
Devon just talked about in terms of

5735
05:43:27,280 --> 05:43:30,878
infrastructure capital projects. So this

5736
05:43:30,878 --> 05:43:32,878
is the business tax that we talked about

5737
05:43:32,878 --> 05:43:35,680
is asking where that was shown. And so

5738
05:43:35,680 --> 05:43:37,680
when I was demonstrating the property

5739
05:43:37,680 --> 05:43:42,400
tax um revenue versus the requisitions

5740
05:43:42,400 --> 05:43:46,160
and the assessments um this business tax

5741
05:43:46,160 --> 05:43:49,280
is about approximately $ 1.5 million.

5742
05:43:49,280 --> 05:43:52,638
It's on a per unit headcount

5743
05:43:52,638 --> 05:43:54,958
um and is separate from property taxes.

5744
05:43:54,958 --> 05:43:57,120
And so that's one funding source to this

5745
05:43:57,120 --> 05:43:59,520
market access network program. We've got

5746
05:43:59,520 --> 05:44:01,680
the cap levy which approximately

5747
05:44:01,680 --> 05:44:03,200
contributes

5748
05:44:03,200 --> 05:44:06,878
150,000 which is um gravel hall and

5749
05:44:06,878 --> 05:44:10,798
andor sand. And then we have the

5750
05:44:10,798 --> 05:44:13,120
um how route farmland levy of

5751
05:44:13,120 --> 05:44:16,320
approximately 500,000 of property taxes

5752
05:44:16,320 --> 05:44:19,200
that contribute to this um network as

5753
05:44:19,200 --> 05:44:21,520
well. And so all of those roughly make

5754
05:44:21,520 --> 05:44:27,600
up the 2.1 million um per year which is

5755
05:44:27,600 --> 05:44:31,120
uh broken down further between the loan

5756
05:44:31,120 --> 05:44:33,920
payments that are connected to the hall

5757
05:44:33,920 --> 05:44:38,480
routes um which is approximately $75,000

5758
05:44:38,480 --> 05:44:40,958
per year. And then the remainder of that

5759
05:44:40,958 --> 05:44:43,760
is transferred to the paved roads and

5760
05:44:43,760 --> 05:44:46,958
bridges reserve to be used for future

5761
05:44:46,958 --> 05:44:50,080
capital projects. um some of which Devon

5762
05:44:50,080 --> 05:44:52,558
talked about previously over 2026 to

5763
05:44:52,558 --> 05:44:54,080
2028.

5764
05:44:54,080 --> 05:44:56,160
And so that just gives kind of a visual

5765
05:44:56,160 --> 05:44:59,040
of all of the components that contribute

5766
05:44:59,040 --> 05:45:03,840
into this uh program. Um and then it

5767
05:45:03,840 --> 05:45:06,400
just is again there included in the

5768
05:45:06,400 --> 05:45:09,360
slides is just a summary of kind of the

5769
05:45:09,360 --> 05:45:11,040
overall program and the breakdown

5770
05:45:11,040 --> 05:45:13,360
between the debt and then the remainder

5771
05:45:13,360 --> 05:45:15,440
that's transferred to the reserve. So

5772
05:45:15,440 --> 05:45:18,718
anything over and above the 2.15

5773
05:45:18,718 --> 05:45:21,600
would be and net of the loan payments

5774
05:45:21,600 --> 05:45:23,280
would be transferred to the reserve. So

5775
05:45:23,280 --> 05:45:26,400
if more dollars are collected than the

5776
05:45:26,400 --> 05:45:28,958
2.15, it would just be transferred to

5777
05:45:28,958 --> 05:45:32,320
the reserve. So that is the components

5778
05:45:32,320 --> 05:45:34,000
that make up the market access network.

5779
05:45:34,000 --> 05:45:36,080
I just wanted to note that because

5780
05:45:36,080 --> 05:45:38,240
there's some obviously these are

5781
05:45:38,240 --> 05:45:40,798
included in the budget, but it's kind of

5782
05:45:40,798 --> 05:45:44,718
its separate own little um

5783
05:45:44,718 --> 05:45:46,320
funding source for capital projects

5784
05:45:46,320 --> 05:45:50,868
related to the hall routes.

5785
05:45:50,878 --> 05:45:53,360
» Thanks, Mr. Chair. And that then

5786
05:45:53,360 --> 05:45:55,600
explains why we had that $500,000

5787
05:45:55,600 --> 05:45:57,440
breakout at the beginning because that's

5788
05:45:57,440 --> 05:45:59,440
the farmland levy that actually gets

5789
05:45:59,440 --> 05:46:12,708
transferred into that fund. Yeah.

5790
05:46:12,718 --> 05:46:15,040
Devin, can I ask you one question? Sure.

5791
05:46:15,040 --> 05:46:19,360
And it's yours. Sorry, Ryan. with the um

5792
05:46:19,360 --> 05:46:21,120
sorry the one you spoke of last or

5793
05:46:21,120 --> 05:46:22,718
second last sorry I guess the township

5794
05:46:22,718 --> 05:46:26,240
road the 104 rehabilitation just how you

5795
05:46:26,240 --> 05:46:28,000
have that structured or you have how you

5796
05:46:28,000 --> 05:46:33,200
have that set out in 30 is there

5797
05:46:33,200 --> 05:46:36,160
is there a way that that could move come

5798
05:46:36,160 --> 05:46:38,240
forward sooner and the only reason I say

5799
05:46:38,240 --> 05:46:40,798
that is because I it's just a massive

5800
05:46:40,798 --> 05:46:42,480
bottleneck in that corner of the county

5801
05:46:42,480 --> 05:46:44,480
where you have any producer who's coming

5802
05:46:44,480 --> 05:46:46,798
out of the north east part of the

5803
05:46:46,798 --> 05:46:48,878
county. That is the last road before the

5804
05:46:48,878 --> 05:46:51,280
river, the last road to get to 512. And

5805
05:46:51,280 --> 05:46:53,600
I think the unintended consequences of

5806
05:46:53,600 --> 05:46:56,080
banning that have just really

5807
05:46:56,080 --> 05:46:59,200
exacerbated things on that 2 miles south

5808
05:46:59,200 --> 05:47:01,520
there and then down further south yet.

5809
05:47:01,520 --> 05:47:04,708
>> Is there I guess is the

5810
05:47:04,708 --> 05:47:04,718
» Is there I guess is the

5811
05:47:04,718 --> 05:47:07,920
um is there any data to or any would

5812
05:47:07,920 --> 05:47:09,680
suggest it should be brought forward or

5813
05:47:09,680 --> 05:47:11,120
is there an opportunity to maybe

5814
05:47:11,120 --> 05:47:12,638
entertain moving that forward in the

5815
05:47:12,638 --> 05:47:14,320
budget?

5816
05:47:14,320 --> 05:47:15,910
>> So I think there is an opportunity. I'm

5817
05:47:15,910 --> 05:47:15,920
» So I think there is an opportunity. I'm

5818
05:47:15,920 --> 05:47:17,200
just going back to the carryover

5819
05:47:17,200 --> 05:47:19,280
projections and when I look if we were

5820
05:47:19,280 --> 05:47:22,160
to fund that from the um bridges and

5821
05:47:22,160 --> 05:47:24,638
paved roads reserve uh we could we can

5822
05:47:24,638 --> 05:47:26,400
certainly do that. I've got a estimated

5823
05:47:26,400 --> 05:47:29,440
value on that one of just over 700,000.

5824
05:47:29,440 --> 05:47:31,200
So we could do that potentially if

5825
05:47:31,200 --> 05:47:33,600
council wanted to next year and just

5826
05:47:33,600 --> 05:47:36,320
that uh bridges and paved roads reserve

5827
05:47:36,320 --> 05:47:38,320
that graph line would just go down by

5828
05:47:38,320 --> 05:47:40,798
720,000 but we do have funds in the

5829
05:47:40,798 --> 05:47:43,840
reserve to complete that. Um I know I

5830
05:47:43,840 --> 05:47:45,920
had a lot in 26 for cement stabilization

5831
05:47:45,920 --> 05:47:47,840
about 10 and a half kilometers but uh we

5832
05:47:47,840 --> 05:47:50,558
can certainly add that 1.3 km to that

5833
05:47:50,558 --> 05:47:53,120
list and get it done next year if it is

5834
05:47:53,120 --> 05:47:54,798
causing uh you know significant

5835
05:47:54,798 --> 05:47:57,280
operational challenges like you describe

5836
05:47:57,280 --> 05:47:59,910
>> and I I I don't I just know that one a

5837
05:47:59,910 --> 05:47:59,920
» and I I I don't I just know that one a

5838
05:47:59,920 --> 05:48:01,440
little more intimately because people

5839
05:48:01,440 --> 05:48:04,798
have been impacted by it and been very

5840
05:48:04,798 --> 05:48:07,760
vocal about it. I I don't have a good

5841
05:48:07,760 --> 05:48:10,878
sense of how it uh ranks priority-wise

5842
05:48:10,878 --> 05:48:13,440
amongst these other priorities, but I

5843
05:48:13,440 --> 05:48:17,760
would suggest that three more summers, I

5844
05:48:17,760 --> 05:48:20,080
think the the degradation of those other

5845
05:48:20,080 --> 05:48:21,600
roads and the the damage that we're

5846
05:48:21,600 --> 05:48:22,718
going to see on some of those other

5847
05:48:22,718 --> 05:48:25,360
roads will probably far exceed that

5848
05:48:25,360 --> 05:48:28,000
$700,000 in that investment if there is

5849
05:48:28,000 --> 05:48:29,920
a way to move it forward. I again

5850
05:48:29,920 --> 05:48:32,080
without having the the data before me I

5851
05:48:32,080 --> 05:48:34,080
I don't want to you [clears throat] know

5852
05:48:34,080 --> 05:48:36,480
uh get ahead of myself but I think it's

5853
05:48:36,480 --> 05:48:38,558
a worthy discussion at least. Sorry

5854
05:48:38,558 --> 05:48:41,040
Cole.

5855
05:48:41,040 --> 05:48:43,590
>> Um so one thing that will be coming

5856
05:48:43,590 --> 05:48:43,600
» Um so one thing that will be coming

5857
05:48:43,600 --> 05:48:45,360
forward for discussion just because of

5858
05:48:45,360 --> 05:48:48,240
how that reserve was originally set up

5859
05:48:48,240 --> 05:48:50,798
was we cash flow. So we have a cap on

5860
05:48:50,798 --> 05:48:53,280
that reserve that sometimes gets

5861
05:48:53,280 --> 05:48:55,360
exceeded based on the timing of these.

5862
05:48:55,360 --> 05:48:57,920
So, we're spending to bring it in to to

5863
05:48:57,920 --> 05:48:59,280
line, but depending on when we collect

5864
05:48:59,280 --> 05:49:01,360
and when we expend is created. So,

5865
05:49:01,360 --> 05:49:02,320
that's a conversation we need to have

5866
05:49:02,320 --> 05:49:03,920
with council at one of the next couple

5867
05:49:03,920 --> 05:49:07,840
council meetings. Um, but based on that,

5868
05:49:07,840 --> 05:49:09,760
it doesn't hurt from a cash flow

5869
05:49:09,760 --> 05:49:11,440
expenditure standpoint, like just purely

5870
05:49:11,440 --> 05:49:13,680
on the finance side, and I don't want to

5871
05:49:13,680 --> 05:49:15,200
speak to Devon's operational capacity.

5872
05:49:15,200 --> 05:49:17,280
On the finance side, to move one of

5873
05:49:17,280 --> 05:49:18,638
those projects up is probably a good

5874
05:49:18,638 --> 05:49:21,200
idea for us anyways to to bring that in.

5875
05:49:21,200 --> 05:49:23,440
whether we can handle that and do that

5876
05:49:23,440 --> 05:49:25,520
and if that's the right one I I can't

5877
05:49:25,520 --> 05:49:27,680
answer that question but

5878
05:49:27,680 --> 05:49:29,430
>> sorry

5879
05:49:29,430 --> 05:49:29,440
» sorry

5880
05:49:29,440 --> 05:49:31,270
>> I was just gonna agree with you because

5881
05:49:31,270 --> 05:49:31,280
» I was just gonna agree with you because

5882
05:49:31,280 --> 05:49:33,040
when anybody's hauling lentils over to

5883
05:49:33,040 --> 05:49:35,520
Vera there they never go down that road

5884
05:49:35,520 --> 05:49:37,920
they go the other ones it's pretty hard

5885
05:49:37,920 --> 05:49:41,110
on them

5886
05:49:41,120 --> 05:49:43,280
» thank you Mr. Sure. I was I I basically

5887
05:49:43,280 --> 05:49:45,520
I was going to concur on that. I like if

5888
05:49:45,520 --> 05:49:47,440
there's something especially on that

5889
05:49:47,440 --> 05:49:49,440
particular road because of its location

5890
05:49:49,440 --> 05:49:52,480
because it is a bottleneck on that.

5891
05:49:52,480 --> 05:49:55,760
Not getting to that might end up causing

5892
05:49:55,760 --> 05:49:57,760
significantly more damage because

5893
05:49:57,760 --> 05:50:00,000
everybody just they move to the one

5894
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:01,680
south and pound the crap out of that one

5895
05:50:01,680 --> 05:50:03,760
then move to the one south and and and

5896
05:50:03,760 --> 05:50:07,200
there's a cascading effect. My question

5897
05:50:07,200 --> 05:50:09,360
to you, Devin, was when you say next

5898
05:50:09,360 --> 05:50:12,080
year, do you mean 2026 or 2027?

5899
05:50:12,080 --> 05:50:13,110
>> 2026.

5900
05:50:13,110 --> 05:50:13,120
» 2026.

5901
05:50:13,120 --> 05:50:13,430
>> Okay.

5902
05:50:13,430 --> 05:50:13,440
» Okay.

5903
05:50:13,440 --> 05:50:14,868
>> Yes.

5904
05:50:14,868 --> 05:50:14,878
» Yes.

5905
05:50:14,878 --> 05:50:16,628
>> And to answer Cole's question, we have

5906
05:50:16,628 --> 05:50:16,638
» And to answer Cole's question, we have

5907
05:50:16,638 --> 05:50:19,200
capacity to to add that to our list.

5908
05:50:19,200 --> 05:50:20,958
Absolutely.

5909
05:50:20,958 --> 05:50:23,510
>> I I would definitely support it if there

5910
05:50:23,510 --> 05:50:23,520
» I I would definitely support it if there

5911
05:50:23,520 --> 05:50:26,080
was an appetite and and a willing or an

5912
05:50:26,080 --> 05:50:27,520
ability to do that. I would definitely

5913
05:50:27,520 --> 05:50:29,840
support it.

5914
05:50:29,840 --> 05:50:31,350
>> I can make that change if that's

5915
05:50:31,350 --> 05:50:31,360
» I can make that change if that's

5916
05:50:31,360 --> 05:50:33,360
council's wish. Absolutely. I would

5917
05:50:33,360 --> 05:50:35,120
support that.

5918
05:50:35,120 --> 05:50:35,920
Thank you.

5919
05:50:35,920 --> 05:50:37,910
>> Okay,

5920
05:50:37,910 --> 05:50:37,920
» Okay,

5921
05:50:37,920 --> 05:50:42,948
I know Kevin's

5922
05:50:42,958 --> 05:50:46,558
just so we're clear. I

5923
05:50:46,558 --> 05:50:48,000
county [laughter] just so we are crystal

5924
05:50:48,000 --> 05:50:53,190
clear.

5925
05:50:53,200 --> 05:50:54,000
» Thank you, Deon.

5926
05:50:54,000 --> 05:50:59,990
>> Thank you.

5927
05:51:00,000 --> 05:51:04,230
» Back for more.

5928
05:51:04,240 --> 05:51:05,840
All right, let's get into everyone's

5929
05:51:05,840 --> 05:51:08,240
favorite. So, uh, fleet capital

5930
05:51:08,240 --> 05:51:09,760
projects. Probably just want to give a

5931
05:51:09,760 --> 05:51:11,280
bit of overview. Actually, I'm going to

5932
05:51:11,280 --> 05:51:14,798
I'm going to flip to this slide um to

5933
05:51:14,798 --> 05:51:18,400
give a bit of a highlight. So, our 2026

5934
05:51:18,400 --> 05:51:20,240
was approved uh earlier this year in

5935
05:51:20,240 --> 05:51:22,480
October October [clears throat] 1st,

5936
05:51:22,480 --> 05:51:23,760
which allowed us to order some of the

5937
05:51:23,760 --> 05:51:25,440
items that had long lead times to ensure

5938
05:51:25,440 --> 05:51:27,200
that they would be available for our

5939
05:51:27,200 --> 05:51:30,160
2026 season. So, thank you council for

5940
05:51:30,160 --> 05:51:31,920
for that. But it also allows us to

5941
05:51:31,920 --> 05:51:35,760
dispose of some of those items uh at the

5942
05:51:35,760 --> 05:51:37,360
high demand which is typically in the

5943
05:51:37,360 --> 05:51:39,840
spring. So we get highest value for uh

5944
05:51:39,840 --> 05:51:41,760
salvage. But what I did want to

5945
05:51:41,760 --> 05:51:44,080
highlight on this particular slide is

5946
05:51:44,080 --> 05:51:46,240
and we didn't discuss it in in any

5947
05:51:46,240 --> 05:51:48,638
detail in October when we met to uh

5948
05:51:48,638 --> 05:51:52,400
approve the 2026 was uh the 16% decrease

5949
05:51:52,400 --> 05:51:55,120
in actual capital spend from 2025 to

5950
05:51:55,120 --> 05:51:58,878
2026. So, that was uh very purposeful um

5951
05:51:58,878 --> 05:52:03,440
as we've um looked at realigning and

5952
05:52:03,440 --> 05:52:05,920
resetting um where we're at with our

5953
05:52:05,920 --> 05:52:08,240
capital equipment expenditures. If we

5954
05:52:08,240 --> 05:52:10,000
would have stayed on the path that we

5955
05:52:10,000 --> 05:52:13,520
were at historically, uh we would have

5956
05:52:13,520 --> 05:52:15,840
spent every dime and then some of our

5957
05:52:15,840 --> 05:52:18,240
capital equipment reserve by 2030. So,

5958
05:52:18,240 --> 05:52:21,200
it was unsustainable. And so what you're

5959
05:52:21,200 --> 05:52:24,000
seeing uh for 2026 which was already

5960
05:52:24,000 --> 05:52:26,878
approved and then the proceeding or the

5961
05:52:26,878 --> 05:52:30,240
the the following four years is quite a

5962
05:52:30,240 --> 05:52:32,958
flatline as we are working through

5963
05:52:32,958 --> 05:52:34,400
extending the life of our capital

5964
05:52:34,400 --> 05:52:37,360
equipment. And I'll explain of some of

5965
05:52:37,360 --> 05:52:39,520
the strategies that the team has taken

5966
05:52:39,520 --> 05:52:41,600
not just going forward but this last

5967
05:52:41,600 --> 05:52:43,840
year uh under Shaun Gerschnik as our

5968
05:52:43,840 --> 05:52:45,440
fleet manager when he first arrived with

5969
05:52:45,440 --> 05:52:47,440
the county has has started some of this

5970
05:52:47,440 --> 05:52:48,958
change.

5971
05:52:48,958 --> 05:52:53,110
um

5972
05:52:53,120 --> 05:52:55,280
we've been able to do this. So I I asked

5973
05:52:55,280 --> 05:52:59,360
the team to look at this. Um

5974
05:52:59,360 --> 05:53:00,958
and the reason we're able to do this is

5975
05:53:00,958 --> 05:53:03,920
just a different approach. Um so really

5976
05:53:03,920 --> 05:53:05,840
we've we've shifted we've shifted to a

5977
05:53:05,840 --> 05:53:07,760
needs-based approach, collaborative

5978
05:53:07,760 --> 05:53:10,160
discussions with our operators based on

5979
05:53:10,160 --> 05:53:13,040
operational needs in the field. Um to

5980
05:53:13,040 --> 05:53:14,878
identify our highest priority equipment

5981
05:53:14,878 --> 05:53:19,040
versus past practice had been was just

5982
05:53:19,040 --> 05:53:20,958
no matter what seven years or so many

5983
05:53:20,958 --> 05:53:22,878
hours just flip it no matter what and

5984
05:53:22,878 --> 05:53:25,200
those days are over. It is part of the

5985
05:53:25,200 --> 05:53:27,040
conversation but it's more meaningful

5986
05:53:27,040 --> 05:53:30,000
conversation in terms of really

5987
05:53:30,000 --> 05:53:32,320
prioritizing what do we need that has

5988
05:53:32,320 --> 05:53:34,400
the biggest value for our operational to

5989
05:53:34,400 --> 05:53:36,878
provide services to residents also

5990
05:53:36,878 --> 05:53:39,440
managing mis uh risk mitigation and our

5991
05:53:39,440 --> 05:53:41,440
operational needs. This provides us more

5992
05:53:41,440 --> 05:53:43,760
flexibility with decisions focused not

5993
05:53:43,760 --> 05:53:45,920
only on on the value of what we're

5994
05:53:45,920 --> 05:53:47,760
purchasing, but the value added to our

5995
05:53:47,760 --> 05:53:50,240
operations and to residents. The data is

5996
05:53:50,240 --> 05:53:51,600
still an integral part of our

5997
05:53:51,600 --> 05:53:53,520
decision-making matrix and includes the

5998
05:53:53,520 --> 05:53:55,840
following factors. Factors such as age

5999
05:53:55,840 --> 05:53:59,760
of the unit um or the years uh so usage

6000
05:53:59,760 --> 05:54:02,240
of the unit which could be hours

6001
05:54:02,240 --> 05:54:04,160
depending on the the type of equipment

6002
05:54:04,160 --> 05:54:05,920
and how it's monitored or the

6003
05:54:05,920 --> 05:54:08,878
kilometers. Um, also looking at our

6004
05:54:08,878 --> 05:54:10,718
overall maintenance costs for the

6005
05:54:10,718 --> 05:54:14,480
lifetime of that equipment. Um, the unit

6006
05:54:14,480 --> 05:54:17,120
cost versus the market value of a new

6007
05:54:17,120 --> 05:54:18,558
unit is something we're always looking

6008
05:54:18,558 --> 05:54:21,760
at. If we invest X, do we get another uh

6009
05:54:21,760 --> 05:54:23,600
another year out of that piece of

6010
05:54:23,600 --> 05:54:25,040
equipment and what's that balance or

6011
05:54:25,040 --> 05:54:27,120
risk of investing that money so that we

6012
05:54:27,120 --> 05:54:29,120
can ensure that that that equipment is

6013
05:54:29,120 --> 05:54:31,840
actually still available.

6014
05:54:31,840 --> 05:54:34,718
Uh the other

6015
05:54:34,718 --> 05:54:36,480
the other the other one to keep in mind

6016
05:54:36,480 --> 05:54:37,920
in terms of that cost maintenance and

6017
05:54:37,920 --> 05:54:40,080
I'll use the example of a a grater uh

6018
05:54:40,080 --> 05:54:42,638
typically our graders uh have been

6019
05:54:42,638 --> 05:54:44,320
purchased and had been flipped on a very

6020
05:54:44,320 --> 05:54:46,320
consistent basis at seven years

6021
05:54:46,320 --> 05:54:47,840
regardless of hours of use just

6022
05:54:47,840 --> 05:54:49,440
regardless if they were good or bad to

6023
05:54:49,440 --> 05:54:53,600
us. Um we had a a grater that had a

6024
05:54:53,600 --> 05:54:56,558
complete engine repair uh done uh during

6025
05:54:56,558 --> 05:54:58,320
that warranty. And so we had the

6026
05:54:58,320 --> 05:54:59,680
conversation to say, "Okay, that was

6027
05:54:59,680 --> 05:55:01,520
done in 2022.

6028
05:55:01,520 --> 05:55:04,878
Uh, it's a very new grader still. Don't

6029
05:55:04,878 --> 05:55:06,718
just flip it because it's almost a brand

6030
05:55:06,718 --> 05:55:09,520
new grader. We can almost reset our

6031
05:55:09,520 --> 05:55:11,520
amateurization period and extend that

6032
05:55:11,520 --> 05:55:13,840
out. So taking a different approach

6033
05:55:13,840 --> 05:55:16,320
instead of just arbitrarily just always

6034
05:55:16,320 --> 05:55:18,558
flipping it has allowed us to flatten

6035
05:55:18,558 --> 05:55:22,240
our spend so that we can catch up so

6036
05:55:22,240 --> 05:55:24,160
that we can try to close the gap of our

6037
05:55:24,160 --> 05:55:26,718
equipment rental rates with what we're

6038
05:55:26,718 --> 05:55:28,480
actually spending.

6039
05:55:28,480 --> 05:55:31,440
Um, another piece we look at uh in

6040
05:55:31,440 --> 05:55:33,840
determining uh capital equipment

6041
05:55:33,840 --> 05:55:36,718
investment and uh how long we're keeping

6042
05:55:36,718 --> 05:55:38,000
these or using these pieces of equipment

6043
05:55:38,000 --> 05:55:39,280
is the overall performance and

6044
05:55:39,280 --> 05:55:41,040
reliability while they're in our

6045
05:55:41,040 --> 05:55:42,958
ownership. Uh because we're always

6046
05:55:42,958 --> 05:55:45,200
looking at our availability,

6047
05:55:45,200 --> 05:55:47,200
the impact of downtime, frequency of

6048
05:55:47,200 --> 05:55:49,280
breakdowns, and the overall uh cost to

6049
05:55:49,280 --> 05:55:52,798
run these. So, it also provides the the

6050
05:55:52,798 --> 05:55:56,718
flexibility for us. if if it's a lemon,

6051
05:55:56,718 --> 05:55:58,558
we will we will walk away from that

6052
05:55:58,558 --> 05:56:01,200
asset as soon as it's financially

6053
05:56:01,200 --> 05:56:03,920
meaningful to so that we don't bear that

6054
05:56:03,920 --> 05:56:05,840
additional risk once something were to

6055
05:56:05,840 --> 05:56:09,440
come off of warranty. But um I'll use an

6056
05:56:09,440 --> 05:56:12,240
example of a a greater earlier this year

6057
05:56:12,240 --> 05:56:14,638
which was under warranty. the the vendor

6058
05:56:14,638 --> 05:56:18,000
themselves was over $30,000 in on trying

6059
05:56:18,000 --> 05:56:20,718
to solve an issue that they could not

6060
05:56:20,718 --> 05:56:23,360
solve and the downtime for that piece of

6061
05:56:23,360 --> 05:56:26,160
equipment was almost 3 weeks. Um

6062
05:56:26,160 --> 05:56:29,040
fortunately we have some contingency

6063
05:56:29,040 --> 05:56:31,520
with spare graders so that we don't shut

6064
05:56:31,520 --> 05:56:33,200
down our operations, but this was a

6065
05:56:33,200 --> 05:56:36,240
warrantied item. Um

6066
05:56:36,240 --> 05:56:38,000
which is super scary because they didn't

6067
05:56:38,000 --> 05:56:39,440
even know how to fix it. So there's this

6068
05:56:39,440 --> 05:56:43,360
balance of of availability is is a key

6069
05:56:43,360 --> 05:56:45,040
point because our season's also very

6070
05:56:45,040 --> 05:56:46,638
small in the in the summer season that

6071
05:56:46,638 --> 05:56:48,480
we need to be able to run or we have

6072
05:56:48,480 --> 05:56:50,240
that opportunity cost where we're not

6073
05:56:50,240 --> 05:56:53,120
delivering services. So so holistically

6074
05:56:53,120 --> 05:56:54,718
we really have changed the approach

6075
05:56:54,718 --> 05:56:57,200
where it's really decision based on

6076
05:56:57,200 --> 05:57:00,718
value for dollar but operational impact

6077
05:57:00,718 --> 05:57:03,440
but overlaying the data and looking at

6078
05:57:03,440 --> 05:57:06,080
it from every way and that's how we've

6079
05:57:06,080 --> 05:57:08,558
been able to flatten this out. Um I'll

6080
05:57:08,558 --> 05:57:11,120
use one more example and and then we can

6081
05:57:11,120 --> 05:57:14,638
um kind of go over year by year was be

6082
05:57:14,638 --> 05:57:17,840
when we met in 2025 after we had the

6083
05:57:17,840 --> 05:57:20,878
approval for the 2025 capital spend we

6084
05:57:20,878 --> 05:57:22,798
looked at what was on there and for the

6085
05:57:22,798 --> 05:57:26,558
first time engaged um our foremen those

6086
05:57:26,558 --> 05:57:28,160
actually doing the work saying from

6087
05:57:28,160 --> 05:57:30,000
their perspective and the work that was

6088
05:57:30,000 --> 05:57:32,080
planned for the 2025 season where we get

6089
05:57:32,080 --> 05:57:34,878
more bang for our buck and at that point

6090
05:57:34,878 --> 05:57:37,840
uh based on that conversation

6091
05:57:37,840 --> 05:57:40,400
Um, we determined that replacing a low

6092
05:57:40,400 --> 05:57:43,760
hour D7 dozer offered much less value

6093
05:57:43,760 --> 05:57:46,160
operationally in terms of bang for your

6094
05:57:46,160 --> 05:57:48,080
buck than addressing more pressing

6095
05:57:48,080 --> 05:57:50,958
operational needs. And so we then

6096
05:57:50,958 --> 05:57:53,040
refocused or redirected those funds to

6097
05:57:53,040 --> 05:57:56,160
purchase a new GPS equipped excavator

6098
05:57:56,160 --> 05:57:57,680
which uh dramatically improved our

6099
05:57:57,680 --> 05:58:00,638
Culver installation efficiency and a

6100
05:58:00,638 --> 05:58:02,400
dedicated water truck to eliminate the

6101
05:58:02,400 --> 05:58:04,558
disruption caused by older tankers

6102
05:58:04,558 --> 05:58:07,040
downtime. So allowing that flexibility

6103
05:58:07,040 --> 05:58:08,958
and actually looking at what are we

6104
05:58:08,958 --> 05:58:10,798
trying to accomplish and what's the most

6105
05:58:10,798 --> 05:58:13,840
cost-effective way to do that is really

6106
05:58:13,840 --> 05:58:15,760
how we're approaching this plus the

6107
05:58:15,760 --> 05:58:18,878
data. But these changes uh that we made

6108
05:58:18,878 --> 05:58:22,160
with 2025 alone uh improved our culvert

6109
05:58:22,160 --> 05:58:24,798
work for drainage gravel division's

6110
05:58:24,798 --> 05:58:27,040
capacity to improve flexibility across

6111
05:58:27,040 --> 05:58:29,360
operational crews and enhance service

6112
05:58:29,360 --> 05:58:31,200
delivery to county residents. Capital

6113
05:58:31,200 --> 05:58:32,798
investments directly impact service

6114
05:58:32,798 --> 05:58:34,558
delivery and crew productivity. So

6115
05:58:34,558 --> 05:58:36,480
that's the lens we're coming at. Just so

6116
05:58:36,480 --> 05:58:38,798
just kind of provide an overview of of

6117
05:58:38,798 --> 05:58:41,520
how we're doing this. The other major

6118
05:58:41,520 --> 05:58:44,240
shift in our fleet management is how we

6119
05:58:44,240 --> 05:58:47,120
manage our graders. So over the 2026

6120
05:58:47,120 --> 05:58:50,638
season, we'll have 14 graders. And when

6121
05:58:50,638 --> 05:58:51,920
someone asks you how many graders does

6122
05:58:51,920 --> 05:58:53,360
your county own, that's like someone

6123
05:58:53,360 --> 05:58:57,360
asking you how big is your ranch? Um

6124
05:58:57,360 --> 05:58:58,798
that's a lot of graders. That's a lot of

6125
05:58:58,798 --> 05:59:01,520
capital investment. But it also has the

6126
05:59:01,520 --> 05:59:04,000
biggest impact to residents in terms of

6127
05:59:04,000 --> 05:59:06,240
quality life and our transportation

6128
05:59:06,240 --> 05:59:09,760
network. So when we looked at how can we

6129
05:59:09,760 --> 05:59:12,558
maximize the life of these u to get

6130
05:59:12,558 --> 05:59:16,548
dollars out of them

6131
05:59:16,558 --> 05:59:20,080
the historical was seven years flip them

6132
05:59:20,080 --> 05:59:23,520
regardless of ours usage. We've extended

6133
05:59:23,520 --> 05:59:27,280
that where our target is 10 years and by

6134
05:59:27,280 --> 05:59:30,240
pulling and stretching that out um

6135
05:59:30,240 --> 05:59:33,200
that's a substantial uh cost savings in

6136
05:59:33,200 --> 05:59:34,798
terms of our capital investment. We're

6137
05:59:34,798 --> 05:59:38,480
confident in man uh mitigating risk as

6138
05:59:38,480 --> 05:59:41,440
those fall off of um warranty after the

6139
05:59:41,440 --> 05:59:43,920
seven years that we're very mindful of

6140
05:59:43,920 --> 05:59:45,840
the ones we're keeping. But we're on

6141
05:59:45,840 --> 05:59:48,080
track now where it's every year for the

6142
05:59:48,080 --> 05:59:50,958
next 10 years, we have a greater that

6143
05:59:50,958 --> 05:59:53,200
slowly falls off one at a time instead

6144
05:59:53,200 --> 05:59:57,840
of multiples. And so keeping in that

6145
05:59:57,840 --> 05:59:59,600
sequence, we're confident that we

6146
05:59:59,600 --> 06:00:01,600
continue to maximize our capital

6147
06:00:01,600 --> 06:00:03,600
equipment investment specifically in

6148
06:00:03,600 --> 06:00:05,280
greater because they do represent such a

6149
06:00:05,280 --> 06:00:07,280
large part of our fleet and capital

6150
06:00:07,280 --> 06:00:09,760
investment.

6151
06:00:09,760 --> 06:00:12,558
Um,

6152
06:00:12,558 --> 06:00:15,280
let's go back to this, I think. Any

6153
06:00:15,280 --> 06:00:16,638
questions I guess to this point? We

6154
06:00:16,638 --> 06:00:21,030
talked a lot.

6155
06:00:21,040 --> 06:00:24,718
» Not a question, but a comment. Um, I'm

6156
06:00:24,718 --> 06:00:26,798
sure you've heard this from myself and I

6157
06:00:26,798 --> 06:00:29,440
know that you've heard this from um, one

6158
06:00:29,440 --> 06:00:31,840
of our new old counselors in the past,

6159
06:00:31,840 --> 06:00:34,558
but uh, I I just want to extend my

6160
06:00:34,558 --> 06:00:36,638
appreciation for the thought process

6161
06:00:36,638 --> 06:00:39,280
that goes into this as opposed to, you

6162
06:00:39,280 --> 06:00:40,558
know, just look at the piece of

6163
06:00:40,558 --> 06:00:42,240
equipment and look at the flat line on

6164
06:00:42,240 --> 06:00:44,000
it and go, well, doesn't really matter

6165
06:00:44,000 --> 06:00:45,520
what it's been great to us or it's been

6166
06:00:45,520 --> 06:00:49,280
bad to us. Just move it along. So um I I

6167
06:00:49,280 --> 06:00:51,120
appreciate the effort that

6168
06:00:51,120 --> 06:00:53,680
administration has put into this because

6169
06:00:53,680 --> 06:00:58,320
it is a huge huge expenditure and and

6170
06:00:58,320 --> 06:01:00,638
I've said all the way along that I I

6171
06:01:00,638 --> 06:01:02,638
thought we needed to find ways to drive

6172
06:01:02,638 --> 06:01:05,920
better value out of it. So u yeah I

6173
06:01:05,920 --> 06:01:07,840
would just like I said like to extend my

6174
06:01:07,840 --> 06:01:10,400
appreciation to administration for for

6175
06:01:10,400 --> 06:01:12,798
going down that path. Appreciate that,

6176
06:01:12,798 --> 06:01:14,878
John. And again, my shout out to Shauna

6177
06:01:14,878 --> 06:01:16,558
O Gchnik who really kicked this off when

6178
06:01:16,558 --> 06:01:19,040
he was hired uh almost two years ago

6179
06:01:19,040 --> 06:01:21,360
with his background in fleet management

6180
06:01:21,360 --> 06:01:22,878
and then Sean McCrae who is our current

6181
06:01:22,878 --> 06:01:25,760
fleet coordinator that do carry on this

6182
06:01:25,760 --> 06:01:27,920
work. Uh we have an amazing software

6183
06:01:27,920 --> 06:01:30,400
system called RTA where we track all of

6184
06:01:30,400 --> 06:01:32,000
the work and we link the work

6185
06:01:32,000 --> 06:01:33,760
maintenance and repair activities to

6186
06:01:33,760 --> 06:01:36,160
every piece of equipment and that helps

6187
06:01:36,160 --> 06:01:37,840
us tell that fleshed out story. That's

6188
06:01:37,840 --> 06:01:40,080
the data element which we then overlay

6189
06:01:40,080 --> 06:01:43,040
with hours or kilometers or fuel usage

6190
06:01:43,040 --> 06:01:45,360
that helps us make these you know guided

6191
06:01:45,360 --> 06:01:48,480
decisions of how best to uh maximize our

6192
06:01:48,480 --> 06:01:54,868
capital equipment investment. So um

6193
06:01:54,878 --> 06:01:56,878
maybe just one more plug and then then

6194
06:01:56,878 --> 06:01:59,040
we can go through this is you know why

6195
06:01:59,040 --> 06:02:00,878
why did we have to slow the spending

6196
06:02:00,878 --> 06:02:03,360
because until 2025 we just

6197
06:02:03,360 --> 06:02:07,680
systematically had not um addressed the

6198
06:02:07,680 --> 06:02:11,600
dramatic increase of capital equipment.

6199
06:02:11,600 --> 06:02:14,718
So postcoid the lead time on some heavy

6200
06:02:14,718 --> 06:02:18,400
equipment was year if not years

6201
06:02:18,400 --> 06:02:21,680
and so a grader for example our standard

6202
06:02:21,680 --> 06:02:24,160
divisional grader less than five years

6203
06:02:24,160 --> 06:02:28,160
ago was about $350 $400,000 and now that

6204
06:02:28,160 --> 06:02:31,040
same greater same functionality

6205
06:02:31,040 --> 06:02:35,120
is closer to 7 or $800,000. So when such

6206
06:02:35,120 --> 06:02:36,638
a major piece of equipment that's

6207
06:02:36,638 --> 06:02:38,320
fundamental to our service delivery

6208
06:02:38,320 --> 06:02:40,558
essentially doubles, this is why we

6209
06:02:40,558 --> 06:02:44,320
required a reset because we have to live

6210
06:02:44,320 --> 06:02:47,360
within our means and and it just we had

6211
06:02:47,360 --> 06:02:50,638
there have been no reset until 2026. So

6212
06:02:50,638 --> 06:02:51,840
that's why you're seeing what you're

6213
06:02:51,840 --> 06:02:53,440
seeing with the trending over the next

6214
06:02:53,440 --> 06:02:55,280
four years.

6215
06:02:55,280 --> 06:02:56,070
>> Question.

6216
06:02:56,070 --> 06:02:56,080
» Question.

6217
06:02:56,080 --> 06:02:57,190
>> Sure.

6218
06:02:57,190 --> 06:02:57,200
» Sure.

6219
06:02:57,200 --> 06:02:59,190
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Do you mind

6220
06:02:59,190 --> 06:02:59,200
» Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Do you mind

6221
06:02:59,200 --> 06:03:01,200
commenting on your enterprise program

6222
06:03:01,200 --> 06:03:03,440
and the the 12 trucks and it shows up

6223
06:03:03,440 --> 06:03:06,400
year after year um working happy with it

6224
06:03:06,400 --> 06:03:08,080
and just comment on it a little?

6225
06:03:08,080 --> 06:03:10,788
>> Sure. Absolutely. I have a whole section

6226
06:03:10,788 --> 06:03:10,798
» Sure. Absolutely. I have a whole section

6227
06:03:10,798 --> 06:03:13,600
on that so we can 100% move into that.

6228
06:03:13,600 --> 06:03:16,400
So enterprise uh the enterprise fleet

6229
06:03:16,400 --> 06:03:20,878
program that the county started in 2022.

6230
06:03:20,878 --> 06:03:23,520
um how it got to that point. There's

6231
06:03:23,520 --> 06:03:26,558
other jur other jurisdictions nil county

6232
06:03:26,558 --> 06:03:29,920
and the MD of Taber uh did RFPs at that

6233
06:03:29,920 --> 06:03:31,680
time

6234
06:03:31,680 --> 06:03:34,480
for fleet management and both those

6235
06:03:34,480 --> 06:03:38,958
entities actually decided best value to

6236
06:03:38,958 --> 06:03:40,878
to go to an enterprise. Enterprise is

6237
06:03:40,878 --> 06:03:44,320
part of the canoe procurement under RMA

6238
06:03:44,320 --> 06:03:46,958
program. Essentially, the easiest way to

6239
06:03:46,958 --> 06:03:49,520
look at Enterprise, it's like a futures

6240
06:03:49,520 --> 06:03:52,718
market for trucks where we purchase the

6241
06:03:52,718 --> 06:03:55,040
vehicle uh direct from manufacturer

6242
06:03:55,040 --> 06:03:56,878
through Enterprise, maximizing our

6243
06:03:56,878 --> 06:04:01,600
municipal uh discounts and then we sell

6244
06:04:01,600 --> 06:04:07,040
them back um at a very coste effective

6245
06:04:07,040 --> 06:04:10,798
price point. Um I can provide you an

6246
06:04:10,798 --> 06:04:14,000
example. our 2022 fleet when we we

6247
06:04:14,000 --> 06:04:15,680
purchased those vehicles, the average

6248
06:04:15,680 --> 06:04:19,600
vehicle for the trucks was $48,000.

6249
06:04:19,600 --> 06:04:23,920
And after that 12 month term, we the

6250
06:04:23,920 --> 06:04:26,080
resale average on each of those was

6251
06:04:26,080 --> 06:04:28,558
$41,000.

6252
06:04:28,558 --> 06:04:31,600
So that average around there was just

6253
06:04:31,600 --> 06:04:35,280
over $500 uh a month to run those

6254
06:04:35,280 --> 06:04:38,080
vehicles, which are fully warrantied.

6255
06:04:38,080 --> 06:04:40,480
Typically in this transition, the only

6256
06:04:40,480 --> 06:04:43,760
thing you pay for is fuel. Oil is

6257
06:04:43,760 --> 06:04:45,440
actually oil changes are actually

6258
06:04:45,440 --> 06:04:47,840
covered uh under warranty. So you're

6259
06:04:47,840 --> 06:04:50,080
paying for fuel and windshields. We

6260
06:04:50,080 --> 06:04:52,240
avoid any other additional maintenance

6261
06:04:52,240 --> 06:04:54,558
elements such as tire repairs typically

6262
06:04:54,558 --> 06:04:56,480
depending on the mileage on those

6263
06:04:56,480 --> 06:04:57,840
vehicles. So it is a very coste

6264
06:04:57,840 --> 06:05:01,760
effective um method uh of running a

6265
06:05:01,760 --> 06:05:04,000
fleet. have heard very positive feedback

6266
06:05:04,000 --> 06:05:06,080
from other people that use the vehicles

6267
06:05:06,080 --> 06:05:08,240
in terms of the safety and reliability

6268
06:05:08,240 --> 06:05:10,240
as well.

6269
06:05:10,240 --> 06:05:12,160
Um

6270
06:05:12,160 --> 06:05:15,120
what else?

6271
06:05:15,120 --> 06:05:16,878
So we have one of the thing one of the

6272
06:05:16,878 --> 06:05:21,440
advantages with enterprise um there is a

6273
06:05:21,440 --> 06:05:25,680
a monthly uh admin fee. It's about 2% no

6274
06:05:25,680 --> 06:05:27,920
that's yeah 1.9%

6275
06:05:27,920 --> 06:05:30,240
um on a vehicle that we pay to

6276
06:05:30,240 --> 06:05:32,798
enterprise and essentially that's for

6277
06:05:32,798 --> 06:05:38,240
them to manage our fleet. So in 2026

6278
06:05:38,240 --> 06:05:42,240
that dollar will be about 14 or $15,000

6279
06:05:42,240 --> 06:05:45,440
and that provides us with all the market

6280
06:05:45,440 --> 06:05:49,200
access of what supply and demand is what

6281
06:05:49,200 --> 06:05:50,958
are the right trucks to buy so that we

6282
06:05:50,958 --> 06:05:53,040
can sell them at the highest value um

6283
06:05:53,040 --> 06:05:55,440
when we roll them at either a 12 month

6284
06:05:55,440 --> 06:05:57,280
24 months or if we choose to extend that

6285
06:05:57,280 --> 06:05:59,440
or even purchase the vehicle outright in

6286
06:05:59,440 --> 06:06:02,798
the end. So full flexibility on what's

6287
06:06:02,798 --> 06:06:05,840
coming and going um with this program as

6288
06:06:05,840 --> 06:06:08,480
well which is very valuable for us as a

6289
06:06:08,480 --> 06:06:14,788
county uh that has good value added

6290
06:06:14,798 --> 06:06:18,788
» follow up with that then

6291
06:06:18,798 --> 06:06:19,920
that's good information I'm not

6292
06:06:19,920 --> 06:06:21,760
understanding your chart then

6293
06:06:21,760 --> 06:06:25,990
>> the proceeds of the sale of equipment

6294
06:06:25,990 --> 06:06:26,000
» the proceeds of the sale of equipment

6295
06:06:26,000 --> 06:06:28,160
think I have it that not all of them are

6296
06:06:28,160 --> 06:06:32,310
deducting this proceeds of

6297
06:06:32,320 --> 06:06:32,798
Which

6298
06:06:32,798 --> 06:06:35,430
>> am I missing something?

6299
06:06:35,430 --> 06:06:35,440
» am I missing something?

6300
06:06:35,440 --> 06:06:37,270
>> Which specifically are you looking at?

6301
06:06:37,270 --> 06:06:37,280
» Which specifically are you looking at?

6302
06:06:37,280 --> 06:06:39,510
>> So, well, I guess that the fleet is

6303
06:06:39,510 --> 06:06:39,520
» So, well, I guess that the fleet is

6304
06:06:39,520 --> 06:06:45,030
where I started and that one makes

6305
06:06:45,040 --> 06:06:46,558
or is that the Oh, I guess the

6306
06:06:46,558 --> 06:06:49,200
replacement reserve

6307
06:06:49,200 --> 06:06:51,350
>> that would be

6308
06:06:51,350 --> 06:06:51,360
» that would be

6309
06:06:51,360 --> 06:06:52,558
us total.

6310
06:06:52,558 --> 06:06:54,628
>> Correct. So this would be this would be

6311
06:06:54,628 --> 06:06:54,638
» Correct. So this would be this would be

6312
06:06:54,638 --> 06:06:59,600
the potential value market upon selling

6313
06:06:59,600 --> 06:07:03,840
of those vehicles would be the 540.

6314
06:07:03,840 --> 06:07:06,160
And then when we go to replace those

6315
06:07:06,160 --> 06:07:08,320
because we buy them outright initially,

6316
06:07:08,320 --> 06:07:11,040
then this would be that $120,000 that

6317
06:07:11,040 --> 06:07:13,120
we're pulling out of a replacement

6318
06:07:13,120 --> 06:07:19,510
reserve.

6319
06:07:19,520 --> 06:07:21,760
» Thank you, Tori. Uh just a question on

6320
06:07:21,760 --> 06:07:24,000
when you talked about you sell them at

6321
06:07:24,000 --> 06:07:26,080
the end of 12 months or 24 months

6322
06:07:26,080 --> 06:07:28,160
whatever they agreed but then you said

6323
06:07:28,160 --> 06:07:30,718
if you decide to extend its life you

6324
06:07:30,718 --> 06:07:33,040
would have to purchase that. I I don't

6325
06:07:33,040 --> 06:07:34,638
know what you meant by that.

6326
06:07:34,638 --> 06:07:37,110
>> So I may I may have misspoke Lauren. Um

6327
06:07:37,110 --> 06:07:37,120
» So I may I may have misspoke Lauren. Um

6328
06:07:37,120 --> 06:07:40,000
we have the opportunity if if if the

6329
06:07:40,000 --> 06:07:42,558
market if we felt the market wasn't

6330
06:07:42,558 --> 06:07:44,638
strong that we could p we could outright

6331
06:07:44,638 --> 06:07:46,480
purchase like we could buy out the end

6332
06:07:46,480 --> 06:07:48,958
of that contract.

6333
06:07:48,958 --> 06:07:50,558
So, we already owe it.

6334
06:07:50,558 --> 06:07:51,830
>> Yeah. Yeah, we already own it, but

6335
06:07:51,830 --> 06:07:51,840
» Yeah. Yeah, we already own it, but

6336
06:07:51,840 --> 06:07:52,638
there's just like a

6337
06:07:52,638 --> 06:07:53,270
>> Yeah.

6338
06:07:53,270 --> 06:07:53,280
» Yeah.

6339
06:07:53,280 --> 06:07:55,430
>> a a top up fee on that to to actually

6340
06:07:55,430 --> 06:07:55,440
» a a top up fee on that to to actually

6341
06:07:55,440 --> 06:07:57,760
just keep it and walk away altogether

6342
06:07:57,760 --> 06:07:59,200
and not return it back in.

6343
06:07:59,200 --> 06:08:01,590
>> Okay.

6344
06:08:01,590 --> 06:08:01,600
» Okay.

6345
06:08:01,600 --> 06:08:03,350
>> It' be sort of like paying enterprises

6346
06:08:03,350 --> 06:08:03,360
» It' be sort of like paying enterprises

6347
06:08:03,360 --> 06:08:07,120
commission if they sold it.

6348
06:08:07,120 --> 06:08:08,868
>> That's probably the equivalent. I'd have

6349
06:08:08,868 --> 06:08:08,878
» That's probably the equivalent. I'd have

6350
06:08:08,878 --> 06:08:12,798
to confirm exactly what that number is,

6351
06:08:12,798 --> 06:08:14,390
>> but it it it really is worth

6352
06:08:14,390 --> 06:08:14,400
» but it it it really is worth

6353
06:08:14,400 --> 06:08:17,280
contracting. Like I said, it's about

6354
06:08:17,280 --> 06:08:22,480
145,000 a year to have market access in

6355
06:08:22,480 --> 06:08:25,520
a market of trucks of of basically it's

6356
06:08:25,520 --> 06:08:27,760
a futures market for trucks. And as long

6357
06:08:27,760 --> 06:08:30,400
as the supply or the demand is high,

6358
06:08:30,400 --> 06:08:32,558
then there's still value. If where there

6359
06:08:32,558 --> 06:08:35,200
is risk to the county is if the demand

6360
06:08:35,200 --> 06:08:37,520
for trucks were to drop and then the

6361
06:08:37,520 --> 06:08:39,840
resale value would drop accordingly as

6362
06:08:39,840 --> 06:08:42,240
well. Um and then at that point in time,

6363
06:08:42,240 --> 06:08:47,200
then we look to keep the truck Yeah.

6364
06:08:47,200 --> 06:08:51,280
Any other questions on that?

6365
06:08:51,280 --> 06:08:52,070
>> Thank you.

6366
06:08:52,070 --> 06:08:52,080
» Thank you.

6367
06:08:52,080 --> 06:08:54,310
>> Okay.

6368
06:08:54,310 --> 06:08:54,320
» Okay.

6369
06:08:54,320 --> 06:08:57,760
So, 27.

6370
06:08:57,760 --> 06:09:01,040
Um, we could go through all of these if

6371
06:09:01,040 --> 06:09:04,558
council wants or not. Um, this is based

6372
06:09:04,558 --> 06:09:07,520
on on what I already presented earlier

6373
06:09:07,520 --> 06:09:08,958
with the principles of how we're

6374
06:09:08,958 --> 06:09:10,798
applying and making decisions for

6375
06:09:10,798 --> 06:09:14,160
replacement. And we review these

6376
06:09:14,160 --> 06:09:17,120
annually um in terms of operationally

6377
06:09:17,120 --> 06:09:19,200
where do we get our biggest bang for the

6378
06:09:19,200 --> 06:09:21,600
buck also looking at the data and our

6379
06:09:21,600 --> 06:09:24,958
total maintenance and repair costs for

6380
06:09:24,958 --> 06:09:28,878
um all these pieces of equipment.

6381
06:09:28,878 --> 06:09:32,558
There's one I would like to highlight

6382
06:09:32,558 --> 06:09:36,868
and it's actually in 2029

6383
06:09:36,878 --> 06:09:39,200
and it's the it's the top one here. It's

6384
06:09:39,200 --> 06:09:41,840
it's labeled meal razor.

6385
06:09:41,840 --> 06:09:43,200
We don't want to highlight this because

6386
06:09:43,200 --> 06:09:45,280
this is a core piece of equipment for

6387
06:09:45,280 --> 06:09:49,120
our treatment of our hall routes.

6388
06:09:49,120 --> 06:09:51,840
Um that particular attachment which is

6389
06:09:51,840 --> 06:09:54,718
on a a motor graater um has no

6390
06:09:54,718 --> 06:09:57,040
replacement. Um that company who built

6391
06:09:57,040 --> 06:09:59,680
those is out of business and I think

6392
06:09:59,680 --> 06:10:01,680
there's only one other in the entire

6393
06:10:01,680 --> 06:10:04,948
province.

6394
06:10:04,958 --> 06:10:06,958
as we

6395
06:10:06,958 --> 06:10:08,558
review our hall route and our

6396
06:10:08,558 --> 06:10:10,878
processing. This was very purposeful

6397
06:10:10,878 --> 06:10:13,760
that we pushed this to 2029. Um, this

6398
06:10:13,760 --> 06:10:16,240
was originally slotted for uh purchase

6399
06:10:16,240 --> 06:10:18,400
in 2027,

6400
06:10:18,400 --> 06:10:20,000
but if I don't know what our direction

6401
06:10:20,000 --> 06:10:21,440
is going to go, I'm certainly not going

6402
06:10:21,440 --> 06:10:25,200
to invest an additional one and 1.2 1.5

6403
06:10:25,200 --> 06:10:28,400
million in a piece of equipment that a

6404
06:10:28,400 --> 06:10:30,240
doesn't exist, but b might not meet our

6405
06:10:30,240 --> 06:10:33,360
operational needs.

6406
06:10:33,360 --> 06:10:35,510
>> What's the mill raiser? So this is what

6407
06:10:35,510 --> 06:10:35,520
» What's the mill raiser? So this is what

6408
06:10:35,520 --> 06:10:36,958
uh what's the best way to describe it?

6409
06:10:36,958 --> 06:10:40,638
It chews up bit roat tills the the rod

6410
06:10:40,638 --> 06:10:43,680
and then injects the MG30.

6411
06:10:43,680 --> 06:10:47,190
>> Yeah.

6412
06:10:47,200 --> 06:10:49,440
» Yeah. This this because a mill razor

6413
06:10:49,440 --> 06:10:51,120
doesn't exist. This would be for a

6414
06:10:51,120 --> 06:10:55,360
reclaimer which is a mill a standalone

6415
06:10:55,360 --> 06:10:58,080
piece of equipment that would go much

6416
06:10:58,080 --> 06:11:02,878
deeper than our current 3 to 4 in. uh

6417
06:11:02,878 --> 06:11:06,320
and it would go up to 12 in typically

6418
06:11:06,320 --> 06:11:09,040
most reclaimers of that. And we would

6419
06:11:09,040 --> 06:11:11,680
also be able to do uh the deepbased

6420
06:11:11,680 --> 06:11:13,760
stabilized roads which we talked about

6421
06:11:13,760 --> 06:11:16,878
earlier today as well as cement base

6422
06:11:16,878 --> 06:11:21,120
stabilized roads with a 2029 investment

6423
06:11:21,120 --> 06:11:24,480
in in a in a reclaimer. And so that's

6424
06:11:24,480 --> 06:11:27,760
why this hinges with the 2029 that as we

6425
06:11:27,760 --> 06:11:29,280
look at that trial for deepbased

6426
06:11:29,280 --> 06:11:31,200
stabilization and continue with the

6427
06:11:31,200 --> 06:11:34,558
cement base stabilization roads if that

6428
06:11:34,558 --> 06:11:37,200
is a direction that we believe is worth

6429
06:11:37,200 --> 06:11:39,680
the investment. This is where that would

6430
06:11:39,680 --> 06:11:45,350
sit in 2029.

6431
06:11:45,360 --> 06:11:48,638
And then to balance out in 2030

6432
06:11:48,638 --> 06:11:51,440
um again total spend of of three and a

6433
06:11:51,440 --> 06:11:53,760
half million which is still lower than

6434
06:11:53,760 --> 06:11:57,520
our 2025 capital investment um for

6435
06:11:57,520 --> 06:11:59,200
equipment. So we definitely have

6436
06:11:59,200 --> 06:12:03,440
flatlined that and as I stated earlier

6437
06:12:03,440 --> 06:12:05,040
how we were able to achieve that was

6438
06:12:05,040 --> 06:12:07,600
just we're looking at things differently

6439
06:12:07,600 --> 06:12:13,430
and being more flexible.

6440
06:12:13,440 --> 06:12:16,320
There's the summary.

6441
06:12:16,320 --> 06:12:18,480
No other questions. I'll move on to the

6442
06:12:18,480 --> 06:12:20,878
municipal reserve and the parks capital

6443
06:12:20,878 --> 06:12:21,760
plan.

6444
06:12:21,760 --> 06:12:22,310
>> Ryan,

6445
06:12:22,310 --> 06:12:22,320
» Ryan,

6446
06:12:22,320 --> 06:12:22,708
>> yes.

6447
06:12:22,708 --> 06:12:22,718
» yes.

6448
06:12:22,718 --> 06:12:25,030
>> Is it still uh anticipated that we would

6449
06:12:25,030 --> 06:12:25,040
» Is it still uh anticipated that we would

6450
06:12:25,040 --> 06:12:27,760
have these discussions in September

6451
06:12:27,760 --> 06:12:30,798
October uh preceding budget? Is that

6452
06:12:30,798 --> 06:12:32,878
still the plan moving forward just to

6453
06:12:32,878 --> 06:12:35,840
satisfy those delivery timelines?

6454
06:12:35,840 --> 06:12:37,830
>> Thank you uh Reef Campbell for that

6455
06:12:37,830 --> 06:12:37,840
» Thank you uh Reef Campbell for that

6456
06:12:37,840 --> 06:12:40,480
question. Yes, we're still seeing uh

6457
06:12:40,480 --> 06:12:42,638
significant lead times on some pieces of

6458
06:12:42,638 --> 06:12:45,760
equipment up to 6 months. And so if

6459
06:12:45,760 --> 06:12:48,240
there's a way that council would like to

6460
06:12:48,240 --> 06:12:51,600
provide direction or authorization

6461
06:12:51,600 --> 06:12:53,120
multi-year in advance, that would

6462
06:12:53,120 --> 06:12:54,480
certainly be appreciated from an

6463
06:12:54,480 --> 06:12:57,280
operation standpoint, but

6464
06:12:57,280 --> 06:13:00,718
can also present again in in the fall of

6465
06:13:00,718 --> 06:13:03,920
2026 for the 2027

6466
06:13:03,920 --> 06:13:06,000
um planned expenditures for capital

6467
06:13:06,000 --> 06:13:11,350
equipment.

6468
06:13:11,360 --> 06:13:12,400
Did you have something?

6469
06:13:12,400 --> 06:13:13,510
>> Yeah, I was just wondering how that

6470
06:13:13,510 --> 06:13:13,520
» Yeah, I was just wondering how that

6471
06:13:13,520 --> 06:13:15,360
would fit in with the MGA whether we

6472
06:13:15,360 --> 06:13:22,470
would be able to do that.

6473
06:13:22,480 --> 06:13:24,160
» As long as there's a resolution, which

6474
06:13:24,160 --> 06:13:26,160
there would be in terms of the approval

6475
06:13:26,160 --> 06:13:29,520
and and it specifies the the date, then

6476
06:13:29,520 --> 06:13:31,760
we would just roll that in as a

6477
06:13:31,760 --> 06:13:33,600
previously approved decision into the

6478
06:13:33,600 --> 06:13:35,600
into the operating budget for that year.

6479
06:13:35,600 --> 06:13:38,160
So I think it's it's a fine approach in

6480
06:13:38,160 --> 06:13:40,400
terms of helping to plan for operations

6481
06:13:40,400 --> 06:13:42,480
and also then having that transparency

6482
06:13:42,480 --> 06:13:46,240
and disclosure of of the approval

6483
06:13:46,240 --> 06:13:47,680
in December.

6484
06:13:47,680 --> 06:13:53,830
>> Pardon me. [snorts]

6485
06:13:53,840 --> 06:13:57,910
» Thanks.

6486
06:13:57,920 --> 06:14:01,040
» So municipal re reserve. So this is for

6487
06:14:01,040 --> 06:14:04,480
uh parks capital plan. So I'd asked the

6488
06:14:04,480 --> 06:14:07,840
team uh historically municipal reserve

6489
06:14:07,840 --> 06:14:10,000
funds had had built up and not been

6490
06:14:10,000 --> 06:14:13,600
systematically invested back into

6491
06:14:13,600 --> 06:14:15,600
uh the county for the purpose that they

6492
06:14:15,600 --> 06:14:18,400
were

6493
06:14:18,400 --> 06:14:20,798
acred. So I'm going to read a little

6494
06:14:20,798 --> 06:14:22,878
statement here. I'm added this. Did you

6495
06:14:22,878 --> 06:14:26,104
have this? So nice. Thanks Haley. So

6496
06:14:26,104 --> 06:14:27,840
[snorts] funds are accumulated through

6497
06:14:27,840 --> 06:14:29,840
cash inl contributions made by

6498
06:14:29,840 --> 06:14:32,160
developers when subdiv sub subdividing

6499
06:14:32,160 --> 06:14:34,480
land. Money provided in place of

6500
06:14:34,480 --> 06:14:36,160
municipal reserves and the interest

6501
06:14:36,160 --> 06:14:37,760
earned on reserve monies must be

6502
06:14:37,760 --> 06:14:40,240
accounted for separately and may be used

6503
06:14:40,240 --> 06:14:42,240
only for any of the following purposes.

6504
06:14:42,240 --> 06:14:44,878
A publicly owned park, a publicly owned

6505
06:14:44,878 --> 06:14:48,000
or operated recreation area, schoolboard

6506
06:14:48,000 --> 06:14:50,958
purposes, or to separate areas of land

6507
06:14:50,958 --> 06:14:53,040
that are used for different purposes.

6508
06:14:53,040 --> 06:14:55,120
Municipal reserve funds must only be

6509
06:14:55,120 --> 06:14:56,798
used for municipal projects on public

6510
06:14:56,798 --> 06:14:58,878
lands or publicowned or operated

6511
06:14:58,878 --> 06:15:02,080
facilities or for the purchases purchase

6512
06:15:02,080 --> 06:15:04,080
of public lands. They may not be used

6513
06:15:04,080 --> 06:15:06,080
for projects with public characteristics

6514
06:15:06,080 --> 06:15:08,240
on private land or which are privately

6515
06:15:08,240 --> 06:15:10,878
owned or operated. So with those

6516
06:15:10,878 --> 06:15:13,360
parameters in mind, uh this current

6517
06:15:13,360 --> 06:15:16,798
municipal reserve is at

6518
06:15:16,798 --> 06:15:20,878
1 point well 1.2 2 million is the

6519
06:15:20,878 --> 06:15:23,920
projected and the eb and flow of those

6520
06:15:23,920 --> 06:15:26,080
monies into

6521
06:15:26,080 --> 06:15:27,840
uh the county is based on when a

6522
06:15:27,840 --> 06:15:30,160
subdivision is finalized and we get

6523
06:15:30,160 --> 06:15:33,120
those monies. So there's not a how much

6524
06:15:33,120 --> 06:15:34,958
per year people ask I've asked that

6525
06:15:34,958 --> 06:15:38,160
question and people ask me uh I I don't

6526
06:15:38,160 --> 06:15:40,080
know but what we do know is right now

6527
06:15:40,080 --> 06:15:41,600
we're sitting on there's over a million

6528
06:15:41,600 --> 06:15:44,240
dollars there that we would we need to

6529
06:15:44,240 --> 06:15:46,638
reinvest uh with those parameters. So,

6530
06:15:46,638 --> 06:15:48,958
what's presented here is a five-year

6531
06:15:48,958 --> 06:15:52,718
plan. Um, each year what we target is

6532
06:15:52,718 --> 06:15:56,480
one fairly major project. For 2026, that

6533
06:15:56,480 --> 06:15:59,040
major project is in Mount Meadows to

6534
06:15:59,040 --> 06:16:03,200
replace uh refresh that trail system.

6535
06:16:03,200 --> 06:16:05,760
In 2027,

6536
06:16:05,760 --> 06:16:08,480
the major project

6537
06:16:08,480 --> 06:16:11,280
or the court replacement uh in Diamond

6538
06:16:11,280 --> 06:16:13,440
City. So you can see that we're hitting

6539
06:16:13,440 --> 06:16:16,240
uh primarily our hamlets and larger

6540
06:16:16,240 --> 06:16:18,240
subdivisions for these reinvestments as

6541
06:16:18,240 --> 06:16:20,718
it has the biggest uh value added for

6542
06:16:20,718 --> 06:16:23,840
the most residents. In 28 the biggest

6543
06:16:23,840 --> 06:16:26,160
project there is a court replacement in

6544
06:16:26,160 --> 06:16:32,080
Monarch. In 29 uh the big project

6545
06:16:32,080 --> 06:16:35,040
is the play structure in Fair View and

6546
06:16:35,040 --> 06:16:38,240
then in 2030 Ball Diamond uh replacement

6547
06:16:38,240 --> 06:16:41,360
in Monarch. And then we also sprinkle in

6548
06:16:41,360 --> 06:16:45,760
some other uh work in the other hamlets

6549
06:16:45,760 --> 06:16:48,160
uh as outlined there from either

6550
06:16:48,160 --> 06:16:50,638
replacing or planting new trees or

6551
06:16:50,638 --> 06:16:53,760
amenities. Amenities meaning uh things

6552
06:16:53,760 --> 06:16:56,558
like as park benches, picnic tables,

6553
06:16:56,558 --> 06:16:58,320
garbage cans and things like that that

6554
06:16:58,320 --> 06:17:01,360
really uh make those spaces uh useful

6555
06:17:01,360 --> 06:17:04,000
and provide a high level uh experience

6556
06:17:04,000 --> 06:17:06,240
for individuals.

6557
06:17:06,240 --> 06:17:10,240
So, total projected spend um over this

6558
06:17:10,240 --> 06:17:13,786
uh period is $95,000.

6559
06:17:13,786 --> 06:17:15,600
[clears throat]

6560
06:17:15,600 --> 06:17:21,510
Any questions?

6561
06:17:21,520 --> 06:17:42,390
» All right. Thank you.

6562
06:17:42,400 --> 06:17:44,400
Let's do that now.

6563
06:17:44,400 --> 06:17:47,270
>> I'm going to entertain a motion to go

6564
06:17:47,270 --> 06:17:47,280
» I'm going to entertain a motion to go

6565
06:17:47,280 --> 06:17:50,240
into a close section uh close session

6566
06:17:50,240 --> 06:17:52,958
section 19 ATIa

6567
06:17:52,958 --> 06:17:55,120
uh harmful to third party business

6568
06:17:55,120 --> 06:17:56,400
interests. We just have something that's

6569
06:17:56,400 --> 06:17:59,360
rather emergent that uh to speak to. I

6570
06:17:59,360 --> 06:18:00,240
think it'd be good to have that

6571
06:18:00,240 --> 06:18:01,760
conversation especially while still

6572
06:18:01,760 --> 06:18:04,320
here. So, someone make that motion.

6573
06:18:04,320 --> 06:18:06,558
Thank you, Kevin. Uh Kevin moved to

6574
06:18:06,558 --> 06:18:09,840
enter close se session at 3:17. Is there

6575
06:18:09,840 --> 06:25:21,030
any discussion?

6576
06:25:21,040 --> 06:25:23,360
Thank you. Um so just in terms of

6577
06:25:23,360 --> 06:25:25,120
continuation with the capital plan we

6578
06:25:25,120 --> 06:25:26,718
just want to look at the information

6579
06:25:26,718 --> 06:25:31,040
technology capital items. Uh so in in

6580
06:25:31,040 --> 06:25:34,080
this instance the biggest uh impact in

6581
06:25:34,080 --> 06:25:36,400
terms of capital projects is what we

6582
06:25:36,400 --> 06:25:37,920
talked about previously a little bit

6583
06:25:37,920 --> 06:25:39,920
with the financial system in terms of

6584
06:25:39,920 --> 06:25:42,718
replacing our ERP. We're proposing that

6585
06:25:42,718 --> 06:25:46,878
comes from uh the administration reserve

6586
06:25:46,878 --> 06:25:49,600
although that will significantly draw

6587
06:25:49,600 --> 06:25:53,040
that reserve down and it will it is also

6588
06:25:53,040 --> 06:25:55,760
the reserve that we use for any kind of

6589
06:25:55,760 --> 06:25:57,440
facility

6590
06:25:57,440 --> 06:25:59,200
um maintenance requirements should

6591
06:25:59,200 --> 06:26:01,840
something be unexpected or um

6592
06:26:01,840 --> 06:26:06,240
significant in terms of of uh rehab or

6593
06:26:06,240 --> 06:26:08,958
maintenance of the buildings. So just

6594
06:26:08,958 --> 06:26:11,440
wanted to highlight that it it is a an

6595
06:26:11,440 --> 06:26:15,360
expensive um project but um it is where

6596
06:26:15,360 --> 06:26:17,840
we are in terms of proposing it in the

6597
06:26:17,840 --> 06:26:20,320
capital project. Um and then the rest of

6598
06:26:20,320 --> 06:26:22,400
them are smaller

6599
06:26:22,400 --> 06:26:24,160
um

6600
06:26:24,160 --> 06:26:26,320
various kind of server replacements and

6601
06:26:26,320 --> 06:26:29,440
different capital projects related to it

6602
06:26:29,440 --> 06:26:31,520
um and the needs to ensure we sustain

6603
06:26:31,520 --> 06:26:34,798
our stable systems and uh support going

6604
06:26:34,798 --> 06:26:36,798
forward. So this just highlights a

6605
06:26:36,798 --> 06:26:39,600
summary of all of the proposed capital

6606
06:26:39,600 --> 06:26:41,120
projects related to information

6607
06:26:41,120 --> 06:27:00,310
technology within the next five years.

6608
06:27:00,320 --> 06:27:03,600
And that brings us to the end of our

6609
06:27:03,600 --> 06:27:05,200
presentation. Unless Cole has something

6610
06:27:05,200 --> 06:27:22,708
he wants to add.

6611
06:27:22,718 --> 06:27:23,840
Thought you were gonna give me a fist

6612
06:27:23,840 --> 06:27:40,070
bump or something. [laughter]

6613
06:27:40,080 --> 06:27:43,120
I guess a question for council is uh so

6614
06:27:43,120 --> 06:27:47,600
with with what has been uh proposed uh

6615
06:27:47,600 --> 06:27:49,680
the requirements and then those

6616
06:27:49,680 --> 06:27:52,958
contributions to reserves um leads us to

6617
06:27:52,958 --> 06:27:54,798
that 3%

6618
06:27:54,798 --> 06:27:59,040
uh or the projected 3% after growth. Um

6619
06:27:59,040 --> 06:28:00,638
I guess I would be frank and just ask

6620
06:28:00,638 --> 06:28:03,200
how how we are with that and and if we

6621
06:28:03,200 --> 06:28:06,400
think that that's adequate. uh moving

6622
06:28:06,400 --> 06:28:08,080
forward when we talk about how we're

6623
06:28:08,080 --> 06:28:09,360
contributing to our reserves in the

6624
06:28:09,360 --> 06:28:12,160
future. Um

6625
06:28:12,160 --> 06:28:15,520
is that I know the term modest I I I do

6626
06:28:15,520 --> 06:28:17,120
agree with the term modest given some of

6627
06:28:17,120 --> 06:28:19,440
the pressures that we're facing, but

6628
06:28:19,440 --> 06:28:22,320
maybe just your overall any comments or

6629
06:28:22,320 --> 06:28:25,920
thoughts on that and any any concerns,

6630
06:28:25,920 --> 06:28:27,200
questions, anything that you'd like to

6631
06:28:27,200 --> 06:28:28,400
see brought back, any further

6632
06:28:28,400 --> 06:28:31,680
discussion? I would open the floor. You

6633
06:28:31,680 --> 06:28:34,958
want to go ahead and Yeah.

6634
06:28:34,958 --> 06:28:37,040
Yeah, when I saw the 3% I thought, well,

6635
06:28:37,040 --> 06:28:39,360
this is that was very positive. I just

6636
06:28:39,360 --> 06:28:41,760
uh sort of I guess my concern again

6637
06:28:41,760 --> 06:28:43,440
would be around the reserves we've

6638
06:28:43,440 --> 06:28:44,798
talked about. We've been using them

6639
06:28:44,798 --> 06:28:46,798
quite a bit over the last few years. So,

6640
06:28:46,798 --> 06:28:50,080
it's just making sure that we have we

6641
06:28:50,080 --> 06:28:51,680
have an adequate amount in there. So,

6642
06:28:51,680 --> 06:28:53,040
and I understand we're not fully

6643
06:28:53,040 --> 06:28:55,280
refunding things, but it's just it's

6644
06:28:55,280 --> 06:28:57,440
it's trying to find that balance and

6645
06:28:57,440 --> 06:28:59,040
it's fair to fair to us and fair to our

6646
06:28:59,040 --> 06:29:01,200
rate payers, but looking big picture

6647
06:29:01,200 --> 06:29:02,798
down the road to make sure that we've

6648
06:29:02,798 --> 06:29:04,400
we're in a good place. So, if it's, you

6649
06:29:04,400 --> 06:29:05,440
know, one year where we're not

6650
06:29:05,440 --> 06:29:07,520
contributing enough, but I know over the

6651
06:29:07,520 --> 06:29:08,958
last couple years, we've continually

6652
06:29:08,958 --> 06:29:10,240
talked about we need to refresh our

6653
06:29:10,240 --> 06:29:12,718
reserves or replenish them. So, that

6654
06:29:12,718 --> 06:29:18,212
that's my only concern. So,

6655
06:29:18,222 --> 06:29:18,400
[clears throat]

6656
06:29:18,400 --> 06:29:20,548
>> uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh just in

6657
06:29:20,548 --> 06:29:20,558
» uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh just in

6658
06:29:20,558 --> 06:29:22,080
response to councelor Ser's comment

6659
06:29:22,080 --> 06:29:24,400
there, I I think it's there's always a

6660
06:29:24,400 --> 06:29:26,958
bit of a a tugof-war there and planning

6661
06:29:26,958 --> 06:29:28,718
for the future and sustainability and

6662
06:29:28,718 --> 06:29:31,200
managing sustainable growth and we've

6663
06:29:31,200 --> 06:29:32,958
tried to strike that with this. One

6664
06:29:32,958 --> 06:29:35,840
thing I will note um and I I think it

6665
06:29:35,840 --> 06:29:40,478
was on slide 21 um but you know we have

6666
06:29:40,478 --> 06:29:42,400
the starting balance and while that

6667
06:29:42,400 --> 06:29:45,360
technically we have um about $2.5

6668
06:29:45,360 --> 06:29:48,718
million more going out than going in I

6669
06:29:48,718 --> 06:29:51,120
think it is also important to note that

6670
06:29:51,120 --> 06:29:54,718
3 I think it's 3.4 million of that is

6671
06:29:54,718 --> 06:29:56,718
the two is between the gravel crushing

6672
06:29:56,718 --> 06:29:58,958
and the capital expenditures for fleet

6673
06:29:58,958 --> 06:30:00,878
that are not annualized. So if I look at

6674
06:30:00,878 --> 06:30:02,638
the amount of money going into reserve

6675
06:30:02,638 --> 06:30:05,200
versus out over a period of time, I

6676
06:30:05,200 --> 06:30:06,638
would say that our contributions are

6677
06:30:06,638 --> 06:30:09,440
actually higher with that removed than

6678
06:30:09,440 --> 06:30:11,600
the outgoing knowing that some of those

6679
06:30:11,600 --> 06:30:14,240
are one-time or costs that we then go

6680
06:30:14,240 --> 06:30:16,478
and and make those contributions in year

6681
06:30:16,478 --> 06:30:19,440
two, three, four in the future. So yes,

6682
06:30:19,440 --> 06:30:21,440
we would also I mean it it improves our

6683
06:30:21,440 --> 06:30:23,440
flexibility and everything else love to

6684
06:30:23,440 --> 06:30:26,160
have more in there. I think this was us

6685
06:30:26,160 --> 06:30:27,760
trying to strike that balance to to

6686
06:30:27,760 --> 06:30:30,240
maintain those levels.

6687
06:30:30,240 --> 06:30:32,160
Yeah, I'm not not wasn't criticizing it.

6688
06:30:32,160 --> 06:30:33,680
I just it was just a commentary, but I

6689
06:30:33,680 --> 06:30:34,798
think I appreciate all the work you've

6690
06:30:34,798 --> 06:30:36,080
done because I knew we knew coming in

6691
06:30:36,080 --> 06:30:37,120
that there was going to be some tough

6692
06:30:37,120 --> 06:30:40,320
decisions and uh to Tori's point earlier

6693
06:30:40,320 --> 06:30:41,920
on like I really appreciate all the work

6694
06:30:41,920 --> 06:30:43,760
the staff's done. I said we came here

6695
06:30:43,760 --> 06:30:45,440
and we see all this documentation, but

6696
06:30:45,440 --> 06:30:47,040
the process and the time it's taken just

6697
06:30:47,040 --> 06:30:49,120
to get this to us is amazing. So, I

6698
06:30:49,120 --> 06:30:50,798
really appreciate it. And then like it's

6699
06:30:50,798 --> 06:30:52,718
the fifth year I've done this. So, this

6700
06:30:52,718 --> 06:30:54,400
there's been a lot of heavy lifting here

6701
06:30:54,400 --> 06:30:56,320
in tough times and I again the staff,

6702
06:30:56,320 --> 06:30:57,840
your staff and the whole team has done a

6703
06:30:57,840 --> 06:30:59,520
great job. So it wasn't don't take it as

6704
06:30:59,520 --> 06:31:01,120
a criticism. It's just a commentary.

6705
06:31:01,120 --> 06:32:04,878
Yeah. And I just want to add, I mean,

6706
06:32:04,878 --> 06:32:06,638
Haley and Patrick and the team did a ton

6707
06:32:06,638 --> 06:32:07,920
of work, but I also want to give a

6708
06:32:07,920 --> 06:32:10,240
special thank you to Justin who I mean,

6709
06:32:10,240 --> 06:32:13,200
did did a heavy lift on this um really

6710
06:32:13,200 --> 06:32:15,040
dug through a lot of the historical

6711
06:32:15,040 --> 06:32:17,280
records, helped us um make a lot of

6712
06:32:17,280 --> 06:32:19,440
these changes and transition. So, just

6713
06:32:19,440 --> 06:32:22,080
on on that note for what Lauren said, I

6714
06:32:22,080 --> 06:32:24,000
mean, I I you're looking at me when you

6715
06:32:24,000 --> 06:32:25,840
said thank you and and I feel very much

6716
06:32:25,840 --> 06:32:27,200
like you should be looking at everybody

6717
06:32:27,200 --> 06:32:28,718
else in this room and not over here.

6718
06:32:28,718 --> 06:32:30,718
They they they did I appreciate that,

6719
06:32:30,718 --> 06:32:32,320
Mark. No, they did they did a phenomenal

6720
06:32:32,320 --> 06:32:34,080
job and I just I they they should get

6721
06:32:34,080 --> 06:32:36,240
the credit that they deserve for for all

6722
06:32:36,240 --> 06:32:37,680
the work that went into this. So, thank

6723
06:32:37,680 --> 06:32:40,478
you to them.

6724
06:32:40,478 --> 06:32:42,070
>> Don't worry, the rest of us won't thank

6725
06:32:42,070 --> 06:32:42,080
» Don't worry, the rest of us won't thank

6726
06:32:42,080 --> 06:32:43,760
you, Cole. Promise.

6727
06:32:43,760 --> 06:32:49,830
>> We're all looking.

6728
06:32:49,840 --> 06:32:54,230
Go ahead, Kevin.

6729
06:32:54,240 --> 06:32:57,120
» So, I just want to thank you all for

6730
06:32:57,120 --> 06:33:00,272
everything you've done.

6731
06:33:00,272 --> 06:33:00,878
[laughter]

6732
06:33:00,878 --> 06:33:04,708
>> No, but in in all honesty, you guys uh

6733
06:33:04,708 --> 06:33:04,718
» No, but in in all honesty, you guys uh

6734
06:33:04,718 --> 06:33:07,760
you guys did awesome. Um I look at these

6735
06:33:07,760 --> 06:33:09,440
numbers and yeah, they there's

6736
06:33:09,440 --> 06:33:10,958
definitely a lot to go through. So,

6737
06:33:10,958 --> 06:33:13,360
thank you for everything you've done.

6738
06:33:13,360 --> 06:33:16,558
Um, mine is same as uh Mark here with

6739
06:33:16,558 --> 06:33:18,000
with the reserves. You know, it'd be

6740
06:33:18,000 --> 06:33:20,400
nice to have money going in there a

6741
06:33:20,400 --> 06:33:23,200
little bit more, but you know what? I'm

6742
06:33:23,200 --> 06:33:25,360
uh I'm happy with this. And the 3% like

6743
06:33:25,360 --> 06:33:28,000
Lauren said, too. You know, it's it's

6744
06:33:28,000 --> 06:33:31,440
hard to always keep asking for more, but

6745
06:33:31,440 --> 06:33:34,240
it also uh helps cash flow things, too.

6746
06:33:34,240 --> 06:33:38,320
So, I'm good with it. Thank you all.

6747
06:33:38,320 --> 06:33:40,708
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would reiterate

6748
06:33:40,708 --> 06:33:40,718
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would reiterate

6749
06:33:40,718 --> 06:33:43,120
what what uh Mark and Kevin had both

6750
06:33:43,120 --> 06:33:45,680
said. Um I appreciate the effort that

6751
06:33:45,680 --> 06:33:48,160
administration has put into this. Um you

6752
06:33:48,160 --> 06:33:50,240
know, especially the directors and and

6753
06:33:50,240 --> 06:33:54,320
all the people under Cole. Um and um

6754
06:33:54,320 --> 06:33:59,040
yeah, in terms of terms of u reserves, I

6755
06:33:59,040 --> 06:34:01,280
I understand and appreciate that, you

6756
06:34:01,280 --> 06:34:03,040
know, we've been saving for the last

6757
06:34:03,040 --> 06:34:05,600
three years to spend it this year on

6758
06:34:05,600 --> 06:34:08,718
things like the gravel crush. Um, I

6759
06:34:08,718 --> 06:34:10,478
would like to get to a point where we

6760
06:34:10,478 --> 06:34:13,760
are putting more into the reserves on an

6761
06:34:13,760 --> 06:34:16,240
annual basis because, uh, frankly,

6762
06:34:16,240 --> 06:34:19,200
that's what we're we need to be looking

6763
06:34:19,200 --> 06:34:22,400
for for future generations. Um, you

6764
06:34:22,400 --> 06:34:23,840
know, it's nice that we're putting money

6765
06:34:23,840 --> 06:34:25,520
away for three-year projects, but we

6766
06:34:25,520 --> 06:34:28,878
also have to have to start looking at

6767
06:34:28,878 --> 06:34:30,558
and focusing on what we're going to be

6768
06:34:30,558 --> 06:34:33,040
able to need to put away for 10 year

6769
06:34:33,040 --> 06:34:34,320
projects, 20-y year projects, and

6770
06:34:34,320 --> 06:34:36,638
30-year projects. But I also understand

6771
06:34:36,638 --> 06:34:38,320
we need to have a balance on that. You

6772
06:34:38,320 --> 06:34:40,798
know, I mean, we can't uh can't expect

6773
06:34:40,798 --> 06:34:44,718
our uh our tax increase to be

6774
06:34:44,718 --> 06:34:47,200
significantly higher than it is. So, you

6775
06:34:47,200 --> 06:34:49,040
know, finding that balance is is

6776
06:34:49,040 --> 06:34:51,760
important. So, um I think, you know, we

6777
06:34:51,760 --> 06:34:55,200
did a good job on this uh you know, from

6778
06:34:55,200 --> 06:34:56,878
administration standpoint to try to find

6779
06:34:56,878 --> 06:34:58,718
that balance. So, it's appreciated from

6780
06:34:58,718 --> 06:35:04,628
my end.

6781
06:35:04,638 --> 06:35:19,190
» Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chair, um, good job.

6782
06:35:19,200 --> 06:35:21,600
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. No. Um, for

6783
06:35:21,600 --> 06:35:23,280
myself being that this is like the my

6784
06:35:23,280 --> 06:35:26,400
first uh budget experience there, um, I

6785
06:35:26,400 --> 06:35:27,760
just want to say you guys did a

6786
06:35:27,760 --> 06:35:29,440
phenomenal job, you know, presenting the

6787
06:35:29,440 --> 06:35:31,360
information and, you know, clear and

6788
06:35:31,360 --> 06:35:34,000
precise and, uh, yeah, I mean, kept

6789
06:35:34,000 --> 06:35:35,920
everything very

6790
06:35:35,920 --> 06:35:37,680
wellrounded there. And, yeah, just want

6791
06:35:37,680 --> 06:35:43,590
to thank you guys a lot.

6792
06:35:43,600 --> 06:35:46,798
» Thank you. Thanks, Tony. Uh, thank you,

6793
06:35:46,798 --> 06:35:48,478
council, for for everything today.

6794
06:35:48,478 --> 06:35:51,120
Appreciate it. Uh again, just reiterate

6795
06:35:51,120 --> 06:35:53,360
what's been said. Thank you, uh staff.

6796
06:35:53,360 --> 06:35:54,478
Thank you for everything that goes into

6797
06:35:54,478 --> 06:35:56,878
this, especially Justin. I know, um I

6798
06:35:56,878 --> 06:35:59,920
think that um I've I've known Justin, we

6799
06:35:59,920 --> 06:36:01,200
were at university at the same time, so

6800
06:36:01,200 --> 06:36:04,638
I've known Justin for 20 years and uh on

6801
06:36:04,638 --> 06:36:06,718
and off and and I think the type of

6802
06:36:06,718 --> 06:36:09,680
person that has such a deep respect for

6803
06:36:09,680 --> 06:36:12,160
for governance and and in that deep

6804
06:36:12,160 --> 06:36:14,240
respect is just trying to provide

6805
06:36:14,240 --> 06:36:16,638
information. he would provide rather

6806
06:36:16,638 --> 06:36:18,638
provide you mountains and mountains of

6807
06:36:18,638 --> 06:36:19,920
information and have you parse through

6808
06:36:19,920 --> 06:36:21,840
it and feel that you're informed as

6809
06:36:21,840 --> 06:36:23,760
opposed to missing anything. So I always

6810
06:36:23,760 --> 06:36:25,280
appreciate his approach in that sense

6811
06:36:25,280 --> 06:36:26,638
where you know we joke about how many

6812
06:36:26,638 --> 06:36:29,120
slides there are but it comes from a a

6813
06:36:29,120 --> 06:36:31,440
really you know well-intended good place

6814
06:36:31,440 --> 06:36:34,000
of just wanting us as the decision

6815
06:36:34,000 --> 06:36:36,080
makers to have that information. So just

6816
06:36:36,080 --> 06:36:38,478
a a huge thank you to him and to to

6817
06:36:38,478 --> 06:36:40,000
everyone else Haley everyone in your

6818
06:36:40,000 --> 06:36:42,000
department um we really appreciate it.

6819
06:36:42,000 --> 06:36:45,040
Candace, I know um 11:34 getting the

6820
06:36:45,040 --> 06:36:48,558
ding at night that the

6821
06:36:48,558 --> 06:36:51,510
>> Well, it's all appreciated. Um thank you

6822
06:36:51,510 --> 06:36:51,520
» Well, it's all appreciated. Um thank you

6823
06:36:51,520 --> 06:36:54,240
very much. Um having said all that, I I

6824
06:36:54,240 --> 06:36:56,080
do think that as we can tell from the

6825
06:36:56,080 --> 06:36:57,440
tone of some of these discussions, we

6826
06:36:57,440 --> 06:36:59,040
have a lot of, you know, heavier

6827
06:36:59,040 --> 06:37:00,798
philosophical questions moving forward.

6828
06:37:00,798 --> 06:37:03,680
But as well as far as level of service

6829
06:37:03,680 --> 06:37:05,680
goes, where where we want to be and and

6830
06:37:05,680 --> 06:37:07,360
I think Ryan, when you and I talked

6831
06:37:07,360 --> 06:37:09,280
briefly, it was, you know, what what do

6832
06:37:09,280 --> 06:37:11,120
we want to be and where do we want to be

6833
06:37:11,120 --> 06:37:13,040
in three, five, seven years because I

6834
06:37:13,040 --> 06:37:15,120
think there's a lot of uh tough

6835
06:37:15,120 --> 06:37:17,040
decisions that are not only budgetary

6836
06:37:17,040 --> 06:37:18,558
but level of service discussions that we

6837
06:37:18,558 --> 06:37:20,400
have to have. So look forward to that

6838
06:37:20,400 --> 06:37:22,718
and just thank you to everyone for your

6839
06:37:22,718 --> 06:37:25,520
contributions and appreciate it.

6840
06:37:25,520 --> 06:37:29,510
>> Anything else? Cool. Oh, sorry. Quarter.

6841
06:37:29,510 --> 06:37:29,520
» Anything else? Cool. Oh, sorry. Quarter.

6842
06:37:29,520 --> 06:37:34,230
>> Perfect. You're good. Okay. John.

6843
06:37:34,230 --> 06:37:34,240
» Perfect. You're good. Okay. John.

6844
06:37:34,240 --> 06:37:36,390
>> Motion to adjurnn. John has moved to

6845
06:37:36,390 --> 06:37:36,400
» Motion to adjurnn. John has moved to

6846
06:37:36,400 --> 06:37:39,040
adjourn at 3:37.

6847
06:37:39,040 --> 06:37:40,638
Any discussion? Call the question. in

6848
06:37:40,638 --> 06:37:43,638
favor.