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» Welcome everyone to the City of Lewis

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and the Lewis Board of Public Works

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joint meeting Monday, July 28th, 2025 at

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100 p.m. Uh there are additional copies

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of the agenda in case you need a hard

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copy. They're up on the on the desk. Uh,

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and I want to just remind all of my

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colleagues here or Blue is having me

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remind you for all of us. Make sure you

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speak into the phone. Get closer to the

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phone to the microphone so that people

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online can hear you. And when we get to

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public comment, we'll be asking you to

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come to either one of these and speak

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into the microphone. Uh, today's agenda

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is lengthy. Uh both BPW and the city are

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going to look at some different formats

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in the future where we may have two

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public comment periods. Uh BPW has

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started to do this in the cadence of

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their meetings, one at the beginning and

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one at the end. But because we publish

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an agenda, we do have to follow this

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order. So um I apologize. Um you can't

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put public comment. You have to put com

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public comment the way you advertise the

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agenda. And the reason for that is there

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could be somebody who's thinking about

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wanting to listen in or speak and they

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realize they're all of these agenda

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items. So that's why rules of order is

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followed. But in the future we will look

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at too because I can imagine as I look

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around the room some of you may be here

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for an issue that is not um number one.

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Um so bear with us uh on this as well.

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So in terms of call to order uh do you

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have any opening comments and then we

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» Something I'll say is that the BPW did

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change our agenda as Amy u u stated

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we're taking public comments at the

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beginning for people who want to talk

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about items that are not on the agenda

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and don't want to sit through the whole

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agenda but also if people want to make

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comments uh about items on the agenda

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and then at the the end of the meeting

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we're taking public comments only on

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items on the agenda. So, and we felt

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that was the the best way because uh we

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had been doing where we're taking

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questions after each uh agenda item and

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that was creating too much disruption in

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the meeting cycle. self. Um and with

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» So in terms of our attendance, uh we

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have our deputy city manager, city

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manager, city solicitor, all of our

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council, um Councilman Trina Brown

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Hicks, Councilman Richard, Councilman

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Elder, myself as mayor, and the deputy

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mayor wanted to be here. He has been

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trying to get back from Wyoming for

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about two days. flights are getting

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bumped every time. So, I don't think he

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even lands in Philadelphia until about

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four o'clock today, but he extends his

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apology. He will watch this session. Um,

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he had really planned to actually get

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back into town um Saturday night or

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Sunday. So, again, apologies that he is

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not here. The rest of council will be

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here for the full meeting. And on our

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side we have uh Robin Davis our general

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manager, Sharon Ston, our assistant

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general manager, Mike Hoffman, our legal

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authority, and then uh it's Bob

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and Barbara and myself. So um I will

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announce also that press is gonna have

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» Why don't we just start with the first

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agenda item, which is update and

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discussion on the June power outages.

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update what what happened and what's

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» First thing I want to say is um I should

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have said in the opening remarks, um I

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apologize for any misstatements I made

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during our BPW meeting relative to the

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city hack. The servers were not hacked.

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not using the video out of the utmost

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precautions, but the audio is now up

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» Thank you for that because I think there

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was some confusion about that.

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» All right. So the June outage um

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well what I consider the high level and

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maybe go down it's a little minutia but

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the first outage was the T1 transformer

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had gone to lockout position which means

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that the transformer was out of service

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and that contains circuits one and two.

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that happened about nine o'clock Robin

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if I remember. Yeah. And um the crews

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were you know the crews are out there. I

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was out there with the crews and we got

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four or five hours later the same exact

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um we switched the circuits off of one

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same relay that was causing the problem.

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that uh the T1 uh transformer

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was still the lockout relay for that

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still in the the lockout the relay lube.

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once again circuit one and circuit two

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the four that we have um we're out. Um

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we then combined circuits one and two

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that none of this was covered by or

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everything were within normal range. So,

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happened to be a heat event and a relay

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our testing contractor, came out and,

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other equipment to find the issue and

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in the 60 to 100 amps. Uh and ideally

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the neutral should be at zero. Uh but

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there's a lot of reasons unbalanced

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loads u fluorescent equipment,

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electronic equipment that can cause the

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neutral to run slightly high but by no

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means ever. 4,300 amps. That's so

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the rest of the transformers and

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circuits were separated and that's how

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we've been running. We have three new

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relays on order to replace the T1

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full review of the control circuitry at

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the substation because no one still

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tripping to T2 transformer. So, um, that

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other concern that people had. I mean,

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technical is good to hear, but when we

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all called in, um, that wasn't a very

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good experience.

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» Why don't we go through the technical

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stuff first? And I I got a note here

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about the control.

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» Are there any questions from council?

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uh I follow the description. I

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understand the description. Uh my

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question would be more about the

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maintenance schedule of this piece of

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infrastructure or pieces of

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infrastructure

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and uh is will that be addressed going

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forward? That is a completely valid

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question and yes that'll be part of the

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u review and analysis of the event and

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the control system but you know those

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relays u we should be replacing those

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relays on a regular basis. I will say

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though this is the first occurrence of

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it but that doesn't mean that the

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equipment isn't getting older. So yes it

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» Thank you. You know, and I think this

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goes to the city as well, that we all

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have now capital improvement plans, the

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city and the and BPW, but you also we

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want to have asset management plans

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which address exactly as you're saying,

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Councilman Ritzer, so we can anticipate

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uh having to buy new equipment so we

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budget for it day one. So, very much

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like your own home, you know, you know

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how long your roof is going to last

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minus a big storm. And so we need to

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look at our capitalization plan as well.

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ahead and say three years from now we

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can imagine these things need to happen.

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as budget management. So on the city's

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side we started it and that's something

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our finance committee is going to

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continue with. Um but that was something

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I think we could share because then we

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both see when there are big costs. Now

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maintenance things can happen but that

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way we can look at the life of equipment

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and I you know your business is yours

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but we'd want that too so we would know

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that there's good maintenance on both

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» Any questions from the board side

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moving on then um

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» To the to the customer service line the

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call center. So, um, Darren, if you'll

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take the lead on this one.

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» So, we actually use a local service. Um,

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short answer. Um, they are very small.

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goes on, they don't have as many

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representatives. They also are in the

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midst of doing a change over to their

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system that I recently learned out about

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after all this. um which we've never had

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this issue with them dropping the calls

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before in this manner. Um so we did

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propose maybe that they do more like a

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loop or to keep people on hold rather

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than and they said they would get back

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to us last week about Friday. They told

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me nope, it's just not possible. So we

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do have a demo set up with a new company

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moving forward. So hopefully in the next

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few weeks we should have a new after

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service company to handle those calls.

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That that's terrific because I think the

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frustration Yeah. you know you any of us

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felt as citizens when we got the number

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to call and our calls were dropped there

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was no answer that just added to the

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frustration in community.

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» I agree. I agree.

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» Exactly. So I commend you for

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questioning whether they could do it and

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if not going out with a more robust

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service.

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» Yeah. I don't know as much as the calls

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were dropped. It was the goodbye.

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» Yeah.

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» Yeah. It wasn't. Any questions from

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council about call center?

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» The only question I have is uh when a

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similar event occurs and it's just a

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matter of when it's not if. Uh my

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question is the contractor this

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answering service uh who who within the

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BPW is responsible for communicating to

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them what the me outgoing message should

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be when they take a call so that the

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person your customers who are calling in

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are given reliable factual information.

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» Yep. So when they receive those calls

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they actually dispatch our on call uh

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employees. So once they go out, those

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employees call back to the customer

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service line and say, "Hey, this is

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what's going on." And we usually have a

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dialogue already predetermined prior to

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so they know what to say going out. I

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will also say that um after the first

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one happened and we did get those

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notifications that people were being

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dropped, we added a message to our line

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the second time it happened to say,

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"Hey, we know there's a high incoming

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volume, so we know there's a situation."

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That did kind of give people the

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opportunity to say, "Okay, they know."

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and hang up. So, they didn't receive as

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many calls the second time it happened.

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» Okay,

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» That's good. Thank you.

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» Yep.

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» And for the city manager, is there

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anything in that call center information

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that you would like to request as as

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Sharon is taking this on with the new

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companies?

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» So, definitely communication with the

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BPW going back and forth. You know, if

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the city were to have issues, we would

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certainly reach out to BPW. Um, but

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we're also here to support the BPW and

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provide any outreach and lasting uh not

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medications that we give you.

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» Elraine, do we use um a similar service?

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» No, we don't. Okay.

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» Okay. Should we move on to agenda two?

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» Okay.

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So, it's updating and discussion on the

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city BPW resiliency

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vision goals and projects.

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» So, let me just start from the city's

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part. We, as many of you know, we passed

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a resiliency fund and funded it um in

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our budget process for FY26.

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Uh Mayor, Deputy Mayor Celiba and also

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um Lewis, planning commissioner, chair

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Rich Inis have been tasked to put

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together recommendations on the scope of

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our resiliency committee, but it's going

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to be environment and resiliency because

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they do go hand in hand. And then

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there'll be subcommittees under those.

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We're trying to look at some ways to

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consolidate

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where possible the amount of meetings

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not just that we all attend but where

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you all attend. And so the Lewis

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planning commission environmental

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subcommittee has been thanked for their

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service. That was something that I

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chaired originally when I was on

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planning commission and that will now

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those activities or focus will go under

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the resiliency. Uh so they're in the

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process right now of getting that set

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up. I can anticipate that would be

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sometime in September or October. That

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commission will report directly to

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council. So, it doesn't sit under

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another commission because it doesn't

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just relate to planning or parks. Um,

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what's important about how that's going

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to be engineered in terms of membership

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is

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expertise. So, we welcome volunteers

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from the community. If you are

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interested, you can reach out directly

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uh put in a note on our website or reach

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out to uh the deputy mayor or LPC chair.

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But we'll be looking for engineers,

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scientists. Uh we're going to be looking

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for folks who have expertise, who have

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time to look at nature-based solutions

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as well as engineering solutions and

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also environment. That's tree canopy,

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all those other kinds of things. So,

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it's going to be a very robust um

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commission. It may not meet once a

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month. They're working out the cadence

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of that. Subcommittees might meet. But

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basically what I wanted to share with

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the public and BPW is we will want BPW

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to sit have a representative on that as

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as Barbara and Bob had in the past with

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the uh planning commission the

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environmental subcommittee because it's

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handinand related to resiliency. But I

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think what's exciting about it is we are

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um I believe it's South Bethany has a a

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resiliency fund, but we're in the

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pioneering stages to have it. And with

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all of what's going on in our federal

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government, um we are not replacing FEMA

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and and I can be quoted on that. We

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don't have those kinds of resources, but

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we're going to be putting funds into

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protecting and building uh better now

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and sharing information out with the

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broader public. So our goals will be

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really looking at ways to educate,

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inform, uh undertake certain projects as

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well, like Cedar Street. That's a good

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example of the floodgates there. Um and

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and for street preserve is another

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example of open space used as a

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nature-based solution. And then we're

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looking forward to seeing your goals

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because obviously you have a lot of

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infrastructure that should we or when we

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are flooded could be uh in jeopardy and

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risk.

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» And I think the only thing I would add

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is that uh both the city and BPW have

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met with University of Delaware.

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» Yes. And uh last Friday, I think it was

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» Uh and

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University of Delaware, we've been

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chosen as one of the communities

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that is going to be uh they're going to

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do a resiliency study on storm water and

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drainage and it's about a year year and

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a half program. So we had the first our

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kickoff was about two and a half hours.

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I think yours was an hour and a half or

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so.

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» Right. So um we are using the expertise

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of University of Delaware to help uh

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guide us in the resiliency. Some of the

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stuff we can do without them, but the

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bigger picture of how to protect Lewis

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over the next 25, 50 years is something

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we're going to need, you know, outside

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help with.

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» They're also just to put a plug for um

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UD, they're going to be hosting the

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first kickoff. It's a workshop on

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September 5th at the library from 9 to

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noon. It's really important that we get

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a good amount of the public out there

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because they're going to be using some

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survey techniques and they will need at

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least 50 people uh to to participate to

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make it a valid survey. And that's going

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to be primarily focused on nature-based

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solutions. Um so please pass the word

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out in your neighborhoods um and to

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others. And I'm sure the gazette's here,

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so that could be I'm sure that they'll

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be reaching out. Pardon me.

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» The date is se is Friday, September 5th,

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9 to noon at the library.

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» Yeah, thank you very much for that.

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» Okay, let's go. Let's go on to number

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three. Update and discussion on the city

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and BPW Burton subdivision projects. Why

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don't we let you start first at BPW?

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So um

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the BP BPW understands that there has

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been generalized concerns about

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discolored water in the Burton

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subdivision.

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Uh based on these generalized concerns,

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uh the BPW has installed an automatic

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flusher for the water lines in

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subdivision back in uh early 2024

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and it's been flushing the

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intermittently

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uh during nonfreezing conditions.

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A permanent flusher

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that will flush year round will be sto

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installed in the next month or so. So,

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we will be able to start flushing in the

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winter time. Uh, and just for anyone who

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doesn't know, the reason why we we can't

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flush during the winter is the drain is

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on one side of the road and the flushers

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on the other side, and we don't want to

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create icing conditions on the road. So,

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um, in addition to the testing

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requirements required by the regulatory

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agency, the BPW did an additional test,

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border sample test on May 9th, and the

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testing revealed no water quality

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concerns.

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Um, we understand that some in the

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Burton subdivision had questioned the

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BPW's additional testing samples

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due to the proximity of time to when we

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were doing fire main flushing. Uh, going

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forward, we will ensure that these are

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separate and the next schedule testing

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is this week. Do we have any update on

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that, Robin?

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Yeah, as Tom said, the next scheduled

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testing date that we have for the water

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samples is Thursday.

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» We're getting the sample bottles uh

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today. They ordered them today. So,

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Thursday, we should go ahead and have

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the samples done. So, if you see some of

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our staff out out there doing water

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sampling, that's what it would be.

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» And and how do you share the results or

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what's the time frame? And how do you

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share the results of those?

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» It normally takes several weeks to get

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the results back. Could be three weeks.

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Um, at that point, we can put them on

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our website and uh maybe share them with

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the task force that meets monthly.

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» Yeah, I think it'd be a good idea to

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share with task force. Could you take a

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minute and describe how the water

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sampling is accomplished?

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» Uh what they're doing is what they did

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back when they did it in May of 24. Um

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the sampling is done through the water

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meter. They go out, they take the water

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meter out, they take the test as

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required by how how the testing cycle

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goes through, run the water for a little

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while, and then you take the sample, put

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the water meter back in, and send it

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away. Kind of basic, but that's about

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how it's done. So at each service

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lateral, in other words, the meter is

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actually removed and tested at that

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point. Is that what I understand?

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» The samples taken from the meter pit.

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Yes. And there's going to be six of them

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just like the original one was.

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» And would these be six different ones or

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six?

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» It was determined that we were going to

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do keep the same sampling sites. We

543
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,640
could change them if we would like, but

544
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,240
yeah, right now they as as give us a

545
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,559
baseline for what happened before to

546
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,960
what we have now. We wanted to do the

547
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:07,679
samples originally to try to get an idea

548
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,840
of of the if there was any difference in

549
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:11,280
in the testing of the water because one

550
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,200
of the concerns was that we were doing

551
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,600
the did the testing after a flushing

552
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,440
cycle

553
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,760
» And is the sampling can you say what

554
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,280
streets or where is the scope what's the

555
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,760
geographic scope of the sampling

556
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,360
» The the streets there's I think we're

557
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,880
going to do Johnson Painter

558
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:31,440
Dupont

559
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,640
Four Street I don't think think we're

560
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,919
going to do and Burton I don't think

561
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,520
we're going to do park

562
00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:39,600
» Because park is on on the of replacement

563
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,880
» And Robin when when was the last time we

564
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:46,240
did flushing on the fire mains out there

565
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,960
» Uh April um I think it was either the

566
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,640
151 16th or 161 17 something like that

567
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,120
» We're far enough away from May

568
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,760
» Correct and we'll be do doing the the

569
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:56,720
additional bianthly by annually in

570
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,240
October

571
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,240
» Robin why would you omit park

572
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:07,520
» Because I think park was on the list of

573
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,360
of to go ahead and do and I don't know

574
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,760
that I I don't have the list in front of

575
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,520
me, Councilman. So, it we might might be

576
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,440
doing a Park Avenue address. I'm not

577
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,000
sure. Well, my concern would be that

578
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,080
even though the pipes are scheduled for

579
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,760
replacement, if something unusual would

580
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,840
happen in that water system, which there

581
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,760
are already complaints about, it should

582
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,279
be monitored and documented in case

583
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,960
there needs to be any kind of an

584
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,799
emergency,

585
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,440
uh, for example, water distributed to

586
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:35,279
the houses or, you know, what have you.

587
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,400
» We are testing on park. I just

588
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,360
» You are okay. Great.

589
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,919
» Great.

590
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:42,080
» And I do have a question as well. Um,

591
00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:46,880
you mentioned about the uh automatic

592
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:48,640
flushing. Um, I'm interpreting that is

593
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,279
supposed to help relieve the

594
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,080
discoloration in the water, but if it

595
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:56,480
doesn't, what does that tell you? What

596
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,080
does that mean?

597
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,159
» It's just a way of keeping keeping the

598
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,640
water circulated. So, it does it does

599
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:05,440
help um alleviate any problem of

600
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,000
standing water in a spot. So, I don't

601
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,320
know exactly what the scheduling they

602
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,320
have it on right now, but I know it does

603
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,200
periodically run several times during

604
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,799
the day.

605
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,880
» It does. I know it does for sure on

606
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:18,320
Dupont, but I just know that there's

607
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,919
still discoloration. So I was just

608
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,880
wondering if what

609
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:24,080
» That means

610
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:27,279
» And uh if I can add that that to that

611
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,840
that's the next topic is as I've

612
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:32,960
emphasized in past meetings it's very

613
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:36,559
important for customers to call in

614
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:40,880
specific events to the BPW so our staff

615
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:43,440
can investigate it. Um, you know, I know

616
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:47,360
you bring it up at the bi-weekly or

617
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:50,240
monthly meetings, but that's not real

618
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:53,919
time. And for us to go out and do

619
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:57,360
testing to ascertain where the problems

620
00:25:53,919 --> 00:26:00,960
are, we would prefer that you or in

621
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:03,440
addition, we would that you would um

622
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,320
call in the problems because we actually

623
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:11,520
have and this isn't meant as a hit, but

624
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:13,120
we have almost no callins to the the the

625
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,760
BPW

626
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:18,000
for actual events. Hey.

627
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,840
» So, so Tom, let me let's just pause on

628
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,919
that just or I'd like to pause and just

629
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:25,200
ask a little more clarification. So,

630
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:27,520
obviously um that subdivision, that

631
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,000
community has come often to these

632
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,520
meetings to raise issues and some of

633
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:37,919
them are having continuous issues.

634
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,440
So, I'm just a I'm just pausing. Do you

635
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:42,080
want them to call you? Because some

636
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:45,200
might call you every day and I don't

637
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:48,159
think that's what we're asking.

638
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Yeah. No, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no.

639
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:53,120
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

640
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,799
Folks, there is decorum. Our group is

641
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,480
and I'm trying to ask those questions

642
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:59,679
you might want to hear the answers to.

643
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,080
So, are you asking for folks to do it

644
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:05,120
every time they see something or are you

645
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,480
asking for when they see a change? Like,

646
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,919
let's just be clear what we're asking

647
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,000
the public to I think that's what it is

648
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:14,080
that if you're normally not having or

649
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,640
the discoloration gets worse,

650
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,080
» Okay,

651
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,480
» That's what we're looking for.

652
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,960
» Okay.

653
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,200
» Because we're looking for where it's

654
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,840
breaking free from

655
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:28,080
and more detail. So, um,

656
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,760
Robin, Sharon, you want to add anything

657
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,120
to that?

658
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,720
» No, I think you're correct in what you

659
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:38,480
just said about the changes. Yeah, I

660
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,799
have a another question related and it

661
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:45,279
just has to do with infrastructure. You

662
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:48,400
know, um we've all worked really hard to

663
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:51,440
try and get uh some projects on line

664
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,360
here for u our infrastructure. On our

665
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,919
side, it's been a lot of roads and we're

666
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:59,120
working with BPW of course to see that

667
00:27:55,919 --> 00:28:01,360
we get these uh projects in place. My

668
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,480
question is um and it's kind of a

669
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:08,480
complicated one. Um when you go back to

670
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:14,720
the uh initial study that was done um

671
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:17,120
the uh June uh 2000 uh number uh 2110129

672
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,840
report that was given there were a lot

673
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:23,760
of uh there were a lot of studies of the

674
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:26,480
pipes done there and um I think there

675
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:29,120
were some areas that were pointed out as

676
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,440
uh definitely areas of need. You know,

677
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:34,159
uh I know that we need to be flexible

678
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,279
and things need to change around, but my

679
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:40,480
my question relates to just the whole

680
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:42,320
notion of how old our system is in the

681
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,720
city of Lewis. We all understand that

682
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,640
this is an old city that's grown

683
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,399
organically. And so, we're going to have

684
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,919
these problems. There's just absolutely

685
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:52,000
no doubt about it. And we want to work

686
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:54,559
with the BPW to help get these things

687
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,760
resolved for our citizens. But my

688
00:28:54,559 --> 00:29:00,399
question is this.

689
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:05,200
The reading that I have done indicates

690
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:08,240
that um the lifespan of iron pipe is 50

691
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,399
to 70 years. And if you look at the

692
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,159
infrastructure that we have here, that

693
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:15,760
would indicate that the majority of our

694
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:19,120
water pipe, our mains is kind of worn

695
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,679
out. So, in some of the reading I've

696
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,120
done, they indicate that this coupon

697
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:25,440
testing, by the way, they call it

698
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,159
destructive coupon testing where they

699
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,200
take a chunk out of the pipe. Um,

700
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:33,120
they're saying that after a certain age,

701
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:37,279
it's not worth doing. You just need to

702
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:40,000
put a plan in to replace the pipe. And

703
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:44,640
um so I'm looking at this and I'm

704
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:47,120
wondering I didn't think that um uh

705
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,399
2110129

706
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,720
was a completely thorough study it

707
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:55,360
didn't seem to me but I could be wrong.

708
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,600
So my question is because one of my

709
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,159
goals today was to see if we couldn't

710
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,880
get the rest of the Burton subdivision

711
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:06,480
done, redone the whole thing because of

712
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:09,919
the age of the pipe in that area. Yet

713
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:13,200
there is a pipe all over the city. But

714
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:16,000
then again, the information that I'm

715
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:19,440
reading is is that coupon testing is

716
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,440
kind of a waste of time and that it's uh

717
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,840
very questionable when you have pipe

718
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,200
this old. and it does more damage to the

719
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,360
system by trying to do the testing uh

720
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,360
than not. So, you should just plan on

721
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,480
replacing. But we don't really have a

722
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,960
plan per se that I can see out there

723
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,120
that says this area will be done this

724
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,320
year like a 20-year plan or a 10-year

725
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,320
plan. So, what I would like to see is

726
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:48,559
something like that. And I would like to

727
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:51,039
see the city of Lewis also commit to

728
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,480
doing the backup so they can get that

729
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,080
done. I think we need to be good

730
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,840
partners together on this.

731
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,480
» So let's let's break up your question

732
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,120
into

733
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,559
» Long question.

734
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,240
» Well, it's but it's a very important

735
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,480
one, but it has components. So let's do

736
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,480
the coupon first and have BPW answer

737
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,200
that and then let's talk about the

738
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,559
strategy of what streets are done where.

739
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Okay. Is that that's a fair

740
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,399
characterization? There are two

741
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,480
questions.

742
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:16,320
» Yeah. So u I would take inception. We

743
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,760
have a 10-year capital plan.

744
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,600
» Let's do the couponing first.

745
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,600
» Oh, I'm sorry. Um, so

746
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,720
I I know where you got that from the

747
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:32,880
couponing. However, couponing is no

748
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,960
different than doing a tie in to a pipe.

749
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,440
So, when we provide a new housing

750
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,640
service, we have to cut a hole in the

751
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,279
pipe,

752
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,880
» Right?

753
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:45,919
» And then put a strap over it and tie in

754
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:49,279
the new one. And that is no more

755
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:51,679
destructive than taking a coupon. We're

756
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:54,320
taking the coupons

757
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:57,120
because we're trying to prioritize as

758
00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,159
you said Joe there is there are lots of

759
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,760
other hundredyear or

760
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:04,480
» Old pipes

761
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,640
» In in the city and so we're trying to

762
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,320
prioritize.

763
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840
So

764
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,320
Robin,

765
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,360
your comments on the impact of

766
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,919
compounding on structural.

767
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,039
» Well, any anytime you you know the less

768
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:20,480
joints you have in a pipe, the better

769
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,760
off you are, but there are times you

770
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,840
have to go ahead if you got a repairs,

771
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,600
you got to do some sort of some sort of

772
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,720
a coupling in there. So,

773
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,320
it's hard uh uh when when you talk about

774
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,799
stuff on ground, it's hard to just make

775
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,159
an assessment by there's no way of

776
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,600
looking at it without going down there

777
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:40,240
and cutting a section out of the pipe.

778
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,240
So, in cases of trying to assess what

779
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,480
the condition of the pipe is. You have

780
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,159
to do that. And I understand what you're

781
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840
saying that you said if it's some some

782
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:50,640
of the pipe that are 70 years old, you

783
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960
just say it's automatically bad.

784
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,039
» Yes.

785
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:57,519
» You just automatically assume that it's

786
00:32:53,039 --> 00:33:00,000
bad. Well, with having a lot of pipe

787
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,919
that of that age, you you still need to

788
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000
prioritize which is the worst and which

789
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:06,159
one's the the better. So to do that is

790
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,240
to to physically take a section of the

791
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:10,080
pipe out in in my opinion.

792
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,640
» Yeah. And

793
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,120
all iron pipe is not the same.

794
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,399
» Okay.

795
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,720
» We have cast iron, we have ductal iron.

796
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:19,919
Okay.

797
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,200
» We have cement coated ductal iron. Okay.

798
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:23,600
Um, and then PVC,

799
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,799
» Okay,

800
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:33,200
» Or HTTP or whatever. And so

801
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:34,799
» The we have perfectly good cement coded

802
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200
ductal lion pipe,

803
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,840
» Okay,

804
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:42,320
» In the system. And we don't necessarily

805
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,519
have good records going back 40, 50

806
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
years. Mhm.

807
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:49,840
» Now we do because now everything gets

808
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,760
put into GIS, but historically we may

809
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,000
know it's an iron pipe down there, but

810
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
we don't know what type.

811
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
» Okay.

812
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,519
» So,

813
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:03,000
» Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

814
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,000
» And um

815
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:08,720
the other top Well, that's a good

816
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,040
explanation. And I think uh it was

817
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:13,760
helpful for me because I didn't realize

818
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,200
that we had three different types of

819
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:20,800
iron pipe. Uh my point was what I was

820
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,399
reading was that when these pipes get

821
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,320
that old, it's probably better to

822
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:26,879
replace. But I understand your position

823
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,079
too, Robin, that uh we can't do it all

824
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:31,760
at once. So you gave me a figure what it

825
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,919
would cost to do it all, and it's

826
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,280
absolutely pretty amazing. I I don't

827
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:36,560
know. The figure we were talking about

828
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,720
on the phone the other day was just a

829
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,280
number that I reached up. I mean, again,

830
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,800
ideally, if we could had millions and

831
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,720
millions of dollars, we could go ahead

832
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,280
and replace them all and

833
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:47,440
» Be all set.

834
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,280
» Hundreds of millions.

835
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,760
» I have a question, please.

836
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,240
» About that one.

837
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,560
» Before you do that, um, Robin, would you

838
00:34:54,240 --> 00:35:03,200
also just comment on the amount of

839
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:05,599
iron pipe versus PVC pipe? I don't I

840
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,040
mean it's it's way way more and again

841
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:11,599
now with the replacements we are

842
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:15,040
replacing with HD Pipe or or PVC. So it

843
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:17,119
it's still a still a a big difference in

844
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,560
the the amount that we have for compared

845
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,440
to the other. Okay.

846
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,880
» Councilman Ritz.

847
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,440
» All right. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

848
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,079
» Thank you. Uh when you speak about the

849
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,000
couponing and you speak about the

850
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:31,359
different varieties and materials used

851
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,240
for the pipes, uh are you speaking only

852
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:37,680
about the distribution side of your

853
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:40,720
system or are you also sampling the

854
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,760
individual service laterals that run

855
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:46,480
from the distribution pipe to the

856
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,839
residents to the structure? We own to

857
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,320
the curb stop and the individuals own to

858
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:53,839
the uh from the curb stop to the house.

859
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,839
Correct. Outside the house.

860
00:35:53,839 --> 00:36:00,800
» Right. But historically and my home is I

861
00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:03,760
offer up as an example 40-year-old home.

862
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,359
Uh my curb stop is within 3 ft of the

863
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:11,359
front wall of my house. So uh the

864
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:16,480
lateral is in fact the the length of my

865
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:19,680
lateral is is yours with the exception

866
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,680
three feet and uh and if that's what is

867
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,000
the if my experience if my home

868
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,880
ownership experience is similar and

869
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,200
replicated throughout the city what I'm

870
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,760
suggesting or asking is is it not

871
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,320
possible that laterals

872
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,680
could be actually the responsibility of

873
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,920
the BPW W.

874
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:42,079
» Yeah. And this there's a couple of

875
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:45,280
issues with that is that um in in cases

876
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:48,079
there are laterals like yours that are

877
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,440
further in. Uh mine happens to not be at

878
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,320
the curb either. So

879
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,800
» Speaking to your mic.

880
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,520
» Oh, I'm sorry.

881
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,960
» Just pull it closer.

882
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:02,160
» I won't look at you.

883
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:04,720
» Yeah. Um, so, um, my lateral is also not

884
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,640
at the curb stop or the the curb stop

885
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:10,960
isn't at this the street. Um, but once

886
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,520
you start going in, you can't really

887
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:17,440
sample lateral. When you open up the

888
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:20,800
street, you can see what the pipe is,

889
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:24,800
where it connects to the mains.

890
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:28,160
But going in and trying to unearth the

891
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,720
laterals, many people have established

892
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:34,079
uh landscaping

893
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,400
and that would mean that if that pipe is

894
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:38,079
under landscaping

895
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,320
um

896
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,200
we would you know be disturbing

897
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,720
landscaping. So it's it's kind of a you

898
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,200
know a balancing act

899
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,960
» Right but

900
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,440
» I'm opening to any suggestions

901
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,440
» Right and but I think what and I can

902
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,480
appreciate the point the point you're

903
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,280
making with respect to landscaping and

904
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,760
the efforts that people make to beautify

905
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:03,440
their properties but when we're talking

906
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,760
about the health of our residents I kind

907
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,800
of think that most people would reason

908
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,240
that it's more important to actually get

909
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,720
the samples of of that material

910
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:17,839
regardless of where it's located so that

911
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:20,160
we understand and they understand what

912
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:22,480
the risk is.

913
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,400
» So can I ask for both attorneys because

914
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,760
we are on private property in this

915
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,920
conversation and I just want the

916
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,480
attorneys to say what happens there. I

917
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,880
mean I I I hear the I hear the need the

918
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,440
public health need but I also respect

919
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,160
that uh private property is private

920
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,839
property

921
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,720
» And and thank you mayor that that's the

922
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:43,359
point that I wanted to make. So the for

923
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,920
simplicity sake in terms of offering an

924
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:48,480
explanation the BPW says BPW owns to the

925
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,079
curb or hand uh it's responsible up to

926
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,599
the curb stop and then it's from there

927
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:56,720
but at the end of the day the BPW system

928
00:38:53,599 --> 00:39:00,560
is in BPW easements. If there isn't an

929
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:03,280
easement for the BPW lines then then

930
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,359
they're private lines. Now, that's again

931
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,320
because for the BPW to go onto the

932
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:09,920
property and take samples or repair or

933
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,160
do any of that, it would need permission

934
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,560
and that's where the BPW gets uh that

935
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,240
permission to an easement. So, the point

936
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,079
is is that where there are these

937
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,920
examples where the curb stop is

938
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,040
different and where there's questions,

939
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,720
then those should be brought to the

940
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,000
attention of the BPW. we can look into

941
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:27,920
it to confirm where the BPW uh system

942
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,000
ends and where the private portion

943
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,200
begins because I'm sure there are

944
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,920
individual unique circumstances. But at

945
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,760
the end of the day, if the BPW doesn't

946
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480
have an easement, it's not the BPW

947
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,880
system.

948
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,720
» So, I had one other question about the

949
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,240
coupon testing. You gave a very good

950
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,920
explanation about the iron pipe. Um, one

951
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:51,359
of the things that I came across in my

952
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:54,720
readings was that if there is um,

953
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:56,960
galvanized iron pipe that it has to be

954
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,920
treated differently, especially if there

955
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,480
is upstream lead that when you have

956
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:05,359
upstream lead, the lead washes down

957
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,560
through and it actually adheres to the

958
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:12,000
uh, decaying zinc and iron surface. And

959
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,160
the um EPA has uh made a regulation that

960
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,359
then it must be treated as though it is

961
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,400
lead pipe. Is that true?

962
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:23,440
» So Robin, I to the best of my knowledge,

963
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,079
we have no zinc distribution pipe.

964
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,440
» Okay.

965
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,400
» Or galvanized.

966
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,720
» No galvanized.

967
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,119
» No. No. No galvanized main. So

968
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:29,440
» Okay.

969
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,839
» Now

970
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,320
» That's good. But

971
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:37,760
» What you bring up now is that houses

972
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,000
built in the 1940s and 50s may have

973
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,760
galvanized pipe inside them.

974
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,040
» Right.

975
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,680
» And

976
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,320
» Yeah.

977
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560
» So

978
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,359
» Then if you have upstream lead it to

979
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,680
your mic.

980
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:53,520
» So um when BPW and and we're on the

981
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,000
topic of Burton subdivision, so let's be

982
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,920
specific to Burton subdivision. So when

983
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,599
we have in the plans that we're digging

984
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,119
up those streets and you're putting in

985
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:04,000
pipe,

986
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:06,480
then will you I'm going to say correct

987
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,400
any historical issue. In other words, if

988
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,040
we have just what Councilman Richard's

989
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:15,440
describing in his is it the intent in

990
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:17,839
that project to say, "Oh, citizen X, you

991
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,319
know, we do need an easement because we

992
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:22,000
want to be responsible until you're

993
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:24,560
responsible." So sometimes it's the

994
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,079
curb. Uh, for mine it's on in the middle

995
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,839
of the sidewalk. I mean, it's it's

996
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:30,560
different everywhere. Historically,

997
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:32,560
that's reflective. But how do we correct

998
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,560
this going forward when we're spending

999
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,960
and investing the money to get clean

1000
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,640
pipe and clean water to our citizens?

1001
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,160
» Maybe I'll I'll start by answering. I

1002
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,240
don't know if I have a full answer. Uh,

1003
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,000
what we what we do uh historically on

1004
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,400
any of these projects is when we get the

1005
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,560
plans and the plans indicate that there

1006
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,880
needs to be work done on private

1007
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,640
property, we check for an easement.

1008
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,319
there isn't an easement then we approach

1009
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,880
the property owner for easement. So

1010
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:59,680
that's typically how uh those situations

1011
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,480
are corrected. The first step is where

1012
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,920
do the plans take the the construction

1013
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,640
and then we build from there.

1014
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,720
» Okay. So in the case of Burton once

1015
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,040
those design plans are done and then you

1016
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,359
go through this easement process then in

1017
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,319
the future if BPW is checking something

1018
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:20,079
and they actually have to disrupt

1019
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:21,839
somebody's landscaping um do you because

1020
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,119
it's in the easement are you responsible

1021
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:25,200
for the repair?

1022
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,599
» So we typically address that in in our

1023
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,680
easements. Uh we typically our stand the

1024
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:35,359
BPWS the BPW standard easement u

1025
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,160
prohibits um um encroachments into the

1026
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:39,440
easement area if you are to having was

1027
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,280
there's been situations where there's

1028
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,880
existing landscaping and whatnot. The

1029
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,319
BPW has allowed that with an

1030
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,079
understanding that if it has to be

1031
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:48,000
removed the owner's responsible to

1032
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,200
replace them. That is the typical the

1033
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,599
standard policy.

1034
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:55,280
» Okay. But but if we're

1035
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:57,680
» We discover discover a service that's u

1036
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,000
subpar that we don't have the

1037
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:07,599
responsibility to replace it from the

1038
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:09,839
the the me from the u our where our

1039
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,520
where our curving yeah from the curb

1040
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:14,960
that's what I'm trying to say

1041
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,880
» Uh it's still their responsibility to

1042
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,000
replace that on their own from from the

1043
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,480
house to the to the curb stop if it is

1044
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,240
not a part of the BPW system, then it's

1045
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,839
not the BPW's maintenance result.

1046
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,359
» But but we don't typically go after

1047
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:28,480
easements to replace them. That's the

1048
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:30,480
point I'm trying to make.

1049
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,760
» Correct. If it's if it's a private line

1050
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,880
on a private uh system, the BPW wouldn't

1051
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,760
undertake that um unless it were part of

1052
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,960
the BPW.

1053
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,599
» I just wanted that to be clear.

1054
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,760
» Yeah. I'm I'm just what I'm just

1055
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:45,920
relating it to is this agenda item which

1056
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,400
is when you are putting replacing a main

1057
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,240
and laterals it's that point in time

1058
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,079
that if we have a situation as

1059
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,319
Councilman Ritzard said in his property

1060
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,079
but if you had that in Burton then would

1061
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:58,240
you have a conversation with each of

1062
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,079
those citizens you know oddly the

1063
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,280
lateral goes in your front yard or

1064
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,960
whatever it is I'm just wanting to

1065
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,599
correct the prop when we're spending all

1066
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,319
this money and getting clean water let's

1067
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:11,440
get the infrastructure right as well so

1068
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:13,040
that Just as as the solicitor said,

1069
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,400
you're only responsible up to a point,

1070
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,680
but that point is going to be a little

1071
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,520
more standardized.

1072
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,280
» Yeah. And and again, that's why I said

1073
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,240
I'll start the answer at the end of the

1074
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,800
day. There is the the plans are based on

1075
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,880
the BPW system. So that the engineered

1076
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,040
plans are going to be for the BPW

1077
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,040
system. And it's important to make sure

1078
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,839
that that work is done either in a right

1079
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,400
of way or easement for the BPW system.

1080
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:38,640
if it's not a part of the BPW system,

1081
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,319
then it's not going to be on the plans.

1082
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Now, if we're looking if the engineer

1083
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,599
plans come back and they show the system

1084
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,280
extends in the private property, we

1085
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,720
don't have an easement. Well, then of

1086
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,960
course that that's where it would have

1087
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,160
to be remedied, but that is not

1088
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,680
necessarily going to say, oh, the BPW

1089
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,920
systems where it's supposed to be, but

1090
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,400
we've got this curb stop an anomaly.

1091
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,880
That that would be a different question.

1092
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,319
» Okay. So what I would say and I guess

1093
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:06,960
this falls on GMBB when you are in the

1094
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:08,800
robust design stage for the Burton

1095
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:13,200
subdivision for the one that right now

1096
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:15,760
is being discussed on park and forth.

1097
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,480
Not everybody can read blueprints and so

1098
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,119
I would encourage a public workshop

1099
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:24,000
where those citizens can actually look

1100
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:26,640
at their property line and understand. I

1101
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,800
mean just having on a website to me is

1102
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,560
not enough. I think it really has to be

1103
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,200
this is going to be a very active and

1104
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,960
interactive design stage and so I think

1105
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,280
that that would be something that would

1106
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,440
give better education so people can

1107
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,000
understand and you could draw on the

1108
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:45,119
line in a color this part is your pipe.

1109
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,760
So I think that going forward let's

1110
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:52,880
request and I'll just state for the

1111
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:56,720
record. Um my curb stop and meter were

1112
00:45:52,880 --> 00:46:00,720
almost adjacent to the house and I had a

1113
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:04,800
30 foot tall holly that was encroaching

1114
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:08,000
on the curb stop and excuse me on the

1115
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,640
meter pit and the line. I just had to

1116
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:14,319
have the Holly taken down,

1117
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:18,079
which was a big crime against humanity

1118
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:20,560
and it was on my cost to replace the

1119
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:22,160
lateral out to where the new curb stop

1120
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,319
was. So,

1121
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,599
» Okay. So, let's move on.

1122
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:30,000
» I have one followup question. Uh, I want

1123
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:32,079
to go back to what was described earlier

1124
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,040
as the flushing the automatic flushing

1125
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:39,359
program. U I know that program was also

1126
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:42,720
used over on Rodney and my question is

1127
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:44,319
is that community is Rodney still being

1128
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,040
flushed?

1129
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:48,640
» No, it's not longer since the U

1130
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,480
infrastructure has been completed and

1131
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,920
it's looped around through Y.

1132
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,040
» Yep. That loop is completed.

1133
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,359
» Yep. The loop is completed.

1134
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,240
» And in the Okay, then that's going to be

1135
00:46:55,359 --> 00:47:00,319
get another question. And in the Burton

1136
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,200
subdivision, do we not have a loop

1137
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:03,760
system?

1138
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,640
» It's it's a loop system. Yes, it is.

1139
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,200
» And yet we still have a discoloration in

1140
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,200
the water and

1141
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,599
is that correct?

1142
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,200
» Yeah. There there's a single loop that

1143
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,599
goes through the school property and and

1144
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,599
it ends up the pipe ends up on Sussex

1145
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:26,000
Drive. The others are tied into the park

1146
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:29,520
and the Burton go into Johnson who and

1147
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,599
which end up turn into Dubai. So it is

1148
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,680
totally looped around. It's just how the

1149
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:36,079
flow of the water runs.

1150
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,040
» It's about um you know fluid dynamics

1151
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,880
because even though it's all looped, it

1152
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:45,119
doesn't mean that there's necessarily

1153
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:48,400
flow through every line. If people on

1154
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:52,160
Johnson aren't using water

1155
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:55,200
and people on park are, then the water's

1156
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,880
going through park. It it's it's very

1157
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,880
complex because it depends upon the

1158
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,880
pressure drops

1159
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,480
which also depends upon u interior pipe

1160
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,800
surface conditions.

1161
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,960
» So is there anything

1162
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,560
citizens can do when they know about the

1163
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,480
flushing schedule that gives a better

1164
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,920
I'm not using this technically correct

1165
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,040
but a better flushing a better

1166
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,560
true-to-life flushing. In other words,

1167
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,160
should they be running water during that

1168
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:29,640
time? like what's to get the best

1169
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,640
accurate results? What do citizens do?

1170
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,240
» It's it's recommended you don't during

1171
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:38,000
the flushing cycle, don't run your water

1172
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:40,160
because a lot of times if if it's

1173
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,640
stirred up from the flushing,

1174
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,400
» Right,

1175
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,960
» It's it's going to run in there. Don't

1176
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,240
while you're actively flushing the the

1177
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,720
preference would be not to use your

1178
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,599
water, right?

1179
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,400
» Not to use water at all.

1180
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,960
» Yeah. Not to use water.

1181
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:54,720
» Okay. And does your guidance does your

1182
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:57,440
guidance um so so does your guidance

1183
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,040
give them directions about we're going

1184
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,680
to be flushing at this time try to

1185
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,079
reduce your water use and then when

1186
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,640
you're finished flushing do they have an

1187
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:11,359
increase in in the iron and so then is

1188
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,000
there a post flushing protocol for

1189
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:14,319
citizens?

1190
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,359
» There is a potential of uh increased

1191
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:17,520
discoloration.

1192
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:19,839
» Okay. So, at that point, that's when we

1193
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,359
normally put in the notifications that

1194
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:22,960
you you may need to run your water for

1195
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:25,040
like 15 minutes and then to clear up.

1196
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,800
» And okay, I would I would like to add at

1197
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:31,119
this point that that discoloration is um

1198
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,280
mostly iron.

1199
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:36,480
» So, we call it discoloration, but it's

1200
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:40,240
primarily iron, I believe.

1201
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,680
» Yes. Um I I'm guessing that we're

1202
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,559
talking about two different types of

1203
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,079
flushing here.

1204
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,400
» Yeah. Thank you.

1205
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:49,280
And there's the once a month flushing

1206
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,599
where we all have problems if we're in

1207
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,520
the wrong place and we're running um our

1208
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:56,160
washing machines. You know, you just

1209
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,760
don't do that on Wednesdays. What is it,

1210
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,920
the second Wednesday of the month? You

1211
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:04,160
don't do it. Um and if you get the brown

1212
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,000
in your water, you run your your cold

1213
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,319
water for a long time. Don't run your

1214
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,280
hot water, you know, that sort of thing.

1215
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,319
But I think that Amy may have been

1216
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,599
asking about the flushing that occurs at

1217
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,880
the end of

1218
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,319
» The automatic flushing.

1219
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,559
» Yes, the automatic flush.

1220
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:21,440
» Thank you. Thank you for that. Yes, I

1221
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:25,040
was.

1222
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,359
» So during the automatic flushing,

1223
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:32,559
you know, the public isn't doesn't know

1224
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:34,559
what that schedule is and there's no

1225
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,720
and and I believe there's unless I'm

1226
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,920
wrong, there's there's no additional

1227
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,440
discoloration. And I think when that

1228
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160
thing flushes because it comes on so

1229
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,880
often.

1230
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,040
» Yeah.

1231
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,440
» But but wouldn't that be wouldn't that

1232
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,359
water which is being flushed represent

1233
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,440
what is actually flowing through the

1234
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:54,960
pipes?

1235
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:57,119
» It that's the whole purpose of having it

1236
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,920
» Flush. It's what's sedimented onto the

1237
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,000
bottom of the pipes.

1238
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,480
» Okay. So it's it's circulating it.

1239
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,839
» Yeah.

1240
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,319
» Okay. Okay.

1241
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:07,680
» I do have one additional question.

1242
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:11,280
um you mentioned about the different

1243
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,440
types of types of pipe and if I recall

1244
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,200
maybe about a year ago there was a

1245
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,079
survey I'm not sure who the survey came

1246
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,240
from but I thought it was um BBW that

1247
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:23,200
said if you wanted to find out what type

1248
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,680
of pipe you had you could do that um

1249
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,280
what was the results of that because I

1250
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,680
think I filled out that survey and I

1251
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,280
never

1252
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,000
» Sharing

1253
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:35,839
» So that is part of the EPA's lead and

1254
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:38,160
copper rule Um when 2024 we had to

1255
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:40,880
submit our initial inventory which we

1256
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,200
did. Um and we now have three years to

1257
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,040
determine the rest of the unknowns in

1258
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,839
our system. And with this particular

1259
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,319
program we actually have to find out the

1260
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:51,839
utility side and the customer side. So

1261
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:53,520
that was the reason for sending out that

1262
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:55,040
survey hopeful that the customers would

1263
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,599
say, "Hey, we just replaced our pipes.

1264
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,800
We know what it is." We did not get an

1265
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:02,400
abundance of response. Um so we do we're

1266
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,800
on that path. were still trying to get

1267
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,760
that inventory collected. Um, you should

1268
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,839
have also received a another letter

1269
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,160
saying, did you receive one saying it

1270
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,119
was unknown what you had?

1271
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
» I believe so.

1272
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:17,920
» Yeah. Um, so you'll probably get that

1273
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,319
every year until we completely determine

1274
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,839
our inventory. And like I said, 2027 is

1275
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:23,680
and we're trying to shoot before that,

1276
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:25,359
but 2027 is the goals.

1277
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,599
» So if someone missed that survey, would

1278
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:29,200
they be able to? It's still in U.

1279
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:31,040
» Yep. We have a whole page on our

1280
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,599
website. Anybody can go to it.

1281
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,359
» Yeah. So, I would encourage everyone uh

1282
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:40,720
to save us cost, which saves your rates,

1283
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:44,160
and to expedite the process to respond

1284
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,000
to the surveys so we can check off which

1285
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:49,280
houses

1286
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,079
we have to go out and actually verify.

1287
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,800
» So, my one question I'm not sure was

1288
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:57,359
answered. It was in that uh larger

1289
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,880
question, but hopefully we can get to it

1290
00:52:57,359 --> 00:53:03,280
at some point and that is can we read

1291
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,160
can we do the remainder of the Burton

1292
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,520
subdivision?

1293
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,000
» That's the next part of it. So, are we

1294
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,160
fine on the on the blushing one?

1295
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,920
» You have any other questions?

1296
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,680
» I do have questions, but I'll take them

1297
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,280
up um at another occasion.

1298
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,040
» You feel free to ask them.

1299
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,160
» Uh

1300
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:23,040
I am going to Okay. Thank you, mayor. Uh

1301
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,440
I am going to ask for greater clarity on

1302
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,640
the statement that uh Sharon just made

1303
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:33,520
with respect to the survey work that was

1304
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:36,960
done. Um you're if the if the survey is

1305
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:40,160
asking the homeowner to

1306
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,520
identify or declare what material

1307
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,720
there's service lateral

1308
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,440
» On the customer side.

1309
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,760
» That's correct. That's right. And the

1310
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,079
customer site means inside the structure

1311
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
or could it be on the house side of the

1312
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,839
meter pin? It

1313
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,680
» It could be either or. Um so the

1314
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:57,760
majority that we did receive most people

1315
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,079
that tell me they have a basement and

1316
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,839
they can see that pipe coming in. Um so

1317
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,200
that's the easiest way. Now most people

1318
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:06,240
are not going to crawl under a crawl

1319
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,559
space and tell me so. Um

1320
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:10,400
but we we're asking them, you know, if

1321
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:12,400
you see it, let us know. That way we can

1322
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,880
just check you off. Now it may still be

1323
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,559
unknown. So for you it may be known on

1324
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,160
our side what it is but we didn't know

1325
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,160
the customer side. So we still had to

1326
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,440
list it as known. If we don't know both

1327
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,640
sides it is considered an unknown

1328
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,119
that

1329
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:30,400
» Well to go with that question. Didn't

1330
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:33,760
they put all the water meters in

1331
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,880
the Burton subdivision? New meter pits

1332
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,920
and new meters. So electronic was

1333
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,920
connected to the other side.

1334
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,200
I thought that was done two or three

1335
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,240
years ago.

1336
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,960
» Not that I'm aware of.

1337
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:51,760
» Okay. So, just go ahead.

1338
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,240
» So, we we still do have some meters that

1339
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,119
are inside the house. We're trying to

1340
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,760
eliminate those.

1341
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:02,240
» Another Go ahead. No, Barbara Kyle.

1342
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,359
» Another point. Um,

1343
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:10,559
those of us who have crawl spaces and

1344
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:13,280
have had the crawl space um, sealed

1345
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:15,119
» Encapsulated,

1346
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,680
you can't really tell what your pipes

1347
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,720
are.

1348
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,960
» Mhm.

1349
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:20,160
» And so I think that may be a source of a

1350
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,559
lot of the unknowns.

1351
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,920
» Yep. And so we and we do um we still

1352
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:26,640
have quite a few out there that we don't

1353
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,640
know. Um, so the plan is to actually go

1354
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,400
out and do these inspections. And when

1355
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,960
we do that, we will probably be going

1356
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,359
out with the vac truck um looking at the

1357
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,680
meter so we can see both sides, our side

1358
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:40,400
and the customer's side.

1359
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,200
» So going back to um the question on the

1360
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,599
survey. So I also remember receiving the

1361
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,520
survey and I didn't know what I had. So

1362
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,200
I was in the unknown. And so the next

1363
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,119
time a plumber came to my house, I said,

1364
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,119
"By the way, can you check my pipe?" And

1365
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,559
he said, "You're fine." But I didn't

1366
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,559
know I then had the responsibility to

1367
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:59,119
let you know what I now know. And I'll

1368
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:01,920
bet I'm not alone in that. So I think

1369
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:04,400
perhaps there is that need for uh

1370
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,000
followup um because maybe we can get a

1371
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,200
percentage of this puzzle figured out

1372
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,040
from folks who were concerned but didn't

1373
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,480
but didn't know they had to report in

1374
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,920
» And as part of the program we have to

1375
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,280
send that letter out. So if you did not

1376
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,559
respond and we haven't determined it

1377
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,680
yet, you're going to get another letter.

1378
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:21,040
» Good be good to have

1379
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,799
» Sharon and somebody go and pick it up at

1380
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,599
the BPW

1381
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:27,040
um office. There's not really anything

1382
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,160
to pick up um

1383
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,559
» A survey

1384
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,160
» Uh it's it's not a manual. It's um

1385
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,520
online or they can just call me if you

1386
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,720
just call me and say, "Hey, I had a

1387
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,400
plumber out. I'm going to write it down.

1388
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,440
Write your number down and put it in the

1389
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,000
system."

1390
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,520
» Okay. Let's go on to then the second

1391
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,280
issue that was part of your question,

1392
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,839
which is the big issue about setting

1393
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,960
priorities for the entire subdivision.

1394
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:49,680
» Oh, right.

1395
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,920
» Okay. So uh let me start with this

1396
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,079
because

1397
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,520
when there's a priority list we all know

1398
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,359
it doesn't matter whether you're working

1399
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,960
I know I worked for years on super fund

1400
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:00,960
national priority list the priorities

1401
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,240
change when you look at different things

1402
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,319
happen however then you wonder well

1403
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:08,960
could there be we have to look at the

1404
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:10,559
citywide as an enterprise so let's say

1405
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,559
there are three neighborhoods that have

1406
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,640
a more serious environmental public

1407
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,480
health issue well then when when does

1408
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,960
Burton get done because you could be

1409
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,119
lower and lower and that seems like

1410
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,720
perhaps what's being done when none of

1411
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:24,960
us were sitting here and maybe none of

1412
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,599
you were in the audience. So I think the

1413
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:30,000
challenge we face is getting this

1414
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:34,240
subdivision finished. Now the part the

1415
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:36,640
city could do is we set our CIP plan

1416
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:39,359
this year a multi-year plan and we did

1417
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,599
it based on pavement condition index. We

1418
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:43,280
went to GMBB and said we don't want to

1419
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:45,440
choose one neighborhood over another. We

1420
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,920
wanted to be engineering science-based

1421
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,319
and they they gave us a formula to use

1422
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,079
and that's what our priorities are. So

1423
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:54,079
we have a list of priorities. You have a

1424
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:56,319
list of priorities. What we could

1425
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:58,400
certainly do is a joint meeting. I don't

1426
00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:01,200
mean this. I mean a working roll up our

1427
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,119
sleeves meeting where we say, "Oh, these

1428
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,640
two streets

1429
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:10,160
are important to deal with pavement, but

1430
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:12,480
they're not having any underground water

1431
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,480
issues, water quality. So why don't we

1432
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,880
lower them? Again, I'm not mentioning

1433
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,880
any street names. Um but but you can

1434
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,760
imagine what I'm saying is we could

1435
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,559
repprioritize because ours was not based

1436
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:28,400
on public health. Ours was based on

1437
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:30,880
above ground pavement condition. So So

1438
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,400
we can do that. So we can sit to you and

1439
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,520
then we can say we need Burton

1440
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,079
subdivision done. So, we're gonna we're

1441
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,240
gonna ask you to not work on these

1442
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:42,480
whatever x number of streets so we can

1443
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,920
get this one in the queue. Okay? And

1444
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,760
that will probably aggravate another

1445
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,559
neighborhood. I I understand that. But

1446
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,200
public health is critical. Okay? It's

1447
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:53,040
critical. And so we can we can change

1448
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,520
our priorities so that this

1449
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:59,119
» Well, that brings to mind another

1450
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:02,079
question and that is um how will we know

1451
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:05,200
if the BPW has the funds to be able to

1452
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:06,799
do that? Just because we can doesn't

1453
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,880
mean that they'll be able to.

1454
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:12,480
» Well, I'll let Tom answer how the on the

1455
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:15,440
funds, but every year I see no reason

1456
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:17,920
why we would not be applying for the SRF

1457
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:21,040
for the my life tenure as mayor of

1458
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,720
Lewis. It's a fund that exists for all

1459
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,960
the kinds of things we're talking about

1460
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,880
and you and one should apply every

1461
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,880
single year for that. So that's one

1462
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,720
tool. Now there are other there are

1463
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,400
other grants out there for different

1464
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,119
contaminants but that's kind of the

1465
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,599
general one. So we would turn to you all

1466
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,880
and say okay every year let's what are

1467
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,559
the priorities public comments have to

1468
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,400
wait till the end. I'm so sorry and I

1469
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:47,280
know that's frustrating but please keep

1470
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:49,599
your thought. Okay. All right. So

1471
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,000
a lot to digest. First of all, on the

1472
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:54,559
SRF funds,

1473
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,079
we go after SRF funds on a regular

1474
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,920
basis.

1475
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,760
However,

1476
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,359
however,

1477
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:05,760
um

1478
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:08,000
what all SRF money is not equal. you

1479
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:11,680
know, the there are you can get bumped

1480
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:14,319
up the SRF list uh or your application

1481
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:17,040
can get bumped up if it's a public

1482
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,240
health issue. If it's just replacing

1483
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,880
pipes for the sake of they're old, it's

1484
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:26,079
not which is why the sampling and the

1485
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:29,200
coupons are important to help back up

1486
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:30,400
the SRF applications.

1487
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,640
So, um

1488
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,880
» I agree. Absolutely. That's a priority

1489
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:37,599
that all offices of drinking water

1490
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:40,160
across the nation use. Everything's even

1491
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,119
and then you tell them the worst story.

1492
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,839
Okay. Absolutely.

1493
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:45,920
» And so, um, that's how we got the

1494
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:49,359
additional funds for the Burton

1495
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:52,240
subdivision project last time. You know,

1496
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:57,280
we got an amendment to our existing SRF

1497
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:58,000
which allowed us to do more. Um

1498
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,079
the next point

1499
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,040
» Well the next point is why not a joint

1500
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:06,799
meeting working meeting with GMBB where

1501
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:10,240
we look at your strategic plan our CIP

1502
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:12,640
and we see what we can reallocate from

1503
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,359
the city's side to get this subdivision

1504
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,799
taken care of.

1505
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:16,640
» And I don't think we did that last year

1506
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,920
but that was actually how the original

1507
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,160
list was developed.

1508
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:26,240
» Okay. We put together our 10-year list

1509
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:28,799
based upon uh sewer, water, electric,

1510
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,119
whatever, and then the city put together

1511
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:32,240
its list and we tried to meld them

1512
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,760
together.

1513
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,520
» Would we be able to modify this list at

1514
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,240
our next meeting?

1515
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:42,319
» Well, we would my recognition is we work

1516
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,839
before the next meeting and then at the

1517
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:46,400
next meeting because there's a cycle

1518
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:49,520
with SRF. You got to you got to get into

1519
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,200
the queue. So by October, we should have

1520
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,960
had that joint work. I'm going to call

1521
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,119
it a working session. It can be in front

1522
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,280
of the public. That's fine. But it's not

1523
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:00,240
this. It's not a report out. It's roll

1524
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:02,000
up your sleeves and GMBB would be

1525
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,000
sitting at the table with us and we'd

1526
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,760
say, "What about this street?" And then

1527
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,359
you'd tell us the pavement condition and

1528
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,160
we'd say, "What about this?" And we'd

1529
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:12,160
work it around so that we can

1530
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,400
» The word guarantee is too strong a word,

1531
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,040
but we can meet the commitment of this

1532
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,240
subdivision. Um that would be October

1533
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,400
8th

1534
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,559
» That as that next meeting be

1535
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,319
» It's the quarterly meeting in October

1536
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:27,440
the 28th.

1537
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:29,440
» What goes along with that though is also

1538
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:32,079
u and now this is not a public health

1539
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,880
issue but it's the design of the street

1540
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,799
and the tree canopy. So, the city's tree

1541
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:40,720
commissioner also wants to be part of

1542
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:43,440
that working session because presumably

1543
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:46,559
you're going to have to take down some

1544
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,799
of the trees on fourth and that's going

1545
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:51,440
to be alarming um because there are some

1546
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:53,040
beautiful trees there. But in the design

1547
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,119
stage,

1548
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,640
maybe we could come out with bumpouts

1549
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:59,040
and other things that are more

1550
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,880
hospitable to trees. We squish trees

1551
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,799
into this, what do they call it? The

1552
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,480
devils. is a terrible name, but now I'm

1553
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:07,599
starting to believe it.

1554
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,839
» Yeah. In that in that the verge. And so

1555
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:12,319
we could do some trafficcomming features

1556
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:14,000
because fourth gets a little busy and we

1557
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:16,480
could do bumpouts which would be more

1558
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,880
hospitable to trees, but it's at the

1559
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,440
design stage all of those topics need to

1560
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,839
come in because afterwards um they're

1561
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:26,319
too costly. So that's what I would I'd

1562
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:28,400
commit on behalf of the all of us that

1563
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:29,839
we would like to do a working session

1564
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,400
with all of you

1565
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:34,160
» And GMBB actively at the table.

1566
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,920
» I think we want to take one last review,

1567
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,920
but our capital plan is pretty much up

1568
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,400
to date.

1569
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,319
» Well, up to date doesn't mean the Burton

1570
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,440
subdivision. I mean, I know they're on

1571
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:47,119
your plan

1572
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,920
» And they're on your plan in

1573
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:48,960
» 27

1574
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,640
» 27 28

1575
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,760
» 27 and 28. We're talking about

1576
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,559
coordination. We're talking about

1577
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:58,960
coordination between the two so that in

1578
01:03:54,559 --> 01:04:00,559
this next SRF application we can put the

1579
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,000
Burton subdivision in and then you know

1580
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:04,480
the government takes its time the

1581
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,440
federal and state government takes all

1582
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:09,599
time.

1583
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:12,720
» May I ask a question please? Um, I think

1584
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:14,240
it's wonderful that we, the city, the

1585
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,400
BPW,

1586
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:21,440
uh, pursues grant money for funding

1587
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:24,880
these large capital projects.

1588
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:27,200
What concerns me is that the

1589
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,039
availability of grant money is in fact

1590
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,760
possibly

1591
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:34,319
holding up

1592
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:38,079
projects from moving forward.

1593
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:44,440
And so my question about this particular

1594
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:44,440
issue as it relates to safe water is

1595
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:50,400
we all pay wa rates water rates we pay

1596
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:53,520
sewer rates.

1597
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:57,520
If we are not if you're not building a

1598
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:00,160
war chest to be able to draw upon to

1599
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,559
offset these capital

1600
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,160
expenses which are really well they're

1601
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:06,960
capital but they're really more or less

1602
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,559
maintenance in the form of replacement

1603
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,119
then

1604
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:14,720
is the problem with the rate structure

1605
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:16,799
what I don't understand why so much of

1606
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,640
your your decision- making is being

1607
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:23,200
based upon SRF funds for me This is very

1608
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:26,559
similar to the city's dependency on

1609
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,720
transfer taxes for our annual budget.

1610
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:31,359
You know, it's it's nice that it's out

1611
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:34,559
there. It's nice to draw upon, but it's

1612
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:36,960
a pretty slippery slope to

1613
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:39,359
develop actionable plans.

1614
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,400
» Well, I'm going to let uh because we

1615
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:43,760
don't have Kim here. I'm gonna let

1616
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,359
Sharon talk in a second, but um

1617
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:48,000
» Is your treasurer here?

1618
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:50,720
» No, that's what I said. Kimberly is not

1619
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,520
here. Um as well.

1620
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,240
» What's that?

1621
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,160
» Richard.

1622
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,440
» Richard's treasure. Kim is the staff

1623
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,240
financing.

1624
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:02,799
» Um,

1625
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:06,960
we do set our rates based upon u well

1626
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:09,680
the impact fees based upon u growth of

1627
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,000
the system and the rates are to cover

1628
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,799
and the readiness to serve is to cover

1629
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:19,839
the infrastructure and the commodity

1630
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:23,760
cost. So, we do, but we're also mindful

1631
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:26,720
of uh keeping rates reasonable because

1632
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,319
if we once again, I'm going to throw a

1633
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,880
number out there and I don't I don't

1634
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:32,799
have any validity for it, but to replace

1635
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,720
all of the pipes in the system is

1636
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:37,280
probably hundreds of millions of

1637
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,599
dollars.

1638
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,920
» I I would say probably in the range.

1639
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:44,000
Yeah.

1640
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:46,160
» Yeah. So, you know, to jack up,

1641
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,039
let me rephrase that, to increase the

1642
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:51,760
rates to cover a hundred million dollar

1643
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:54,000
expenditure and we still couldn't do it

1644
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,799
all in a time, you know, in a short

1645
01:06:54,000 --> 01:07:00,079
time. We have to be concerned about

1646
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:02,960
traffic flow and the such. So, that is

1647
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:06,640
all part of our capital project

1648
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:08,319
expenditures. So, Sharon, if you want to

1649
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,520
add anything or correct me.

1650
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:13,839
» Is definitely the better person to talk

1651
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:15,760
about this. Um, but the the capital

1652
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,760
budget is actually taken in effect. The

1653
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:20,079
last time we had a rate study done and

1654
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,480
at that time I think we had 42 million.

1655
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:24,240
So, they used that to help base the

1656
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,280
rates.

1657
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,839
» 42 million

1658
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,440
» At that time

1659
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:29,599
» In reserves.

1660
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,480
» No, no, no. That is projects that we had

1661
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,440
in the capital.

1662
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,640
» That's the backlog.

1663
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:39,200
» Yeah. Yeah. And it is now more. and our

1664
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:40,559
but to to Tim's point our reserves are

1665
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,200
» I don't know off the top of my head I'm

1666
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,799
sorry

1667
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,920
» Yeah I don't have the spreadsheets with

1668
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:47,839
me okay

1669
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:51,440
» To reme from memory the list of capital

1670
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:54,319
projects is about $48 million the funded

1671
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:56,799
part is about 18

1672
01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:00,240
» Use microphone

1673
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:03,440
» The funded the identified projects

1674
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:05,920
currently is about $48 million that does

1675
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,920
not include all replacing all the pipes

1676
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,240
and it doesn't include a bunch of other

1677
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,200
stuff. Tom's number of hundred is

1678
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,520
probably right.

1679
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,720
» Bob, is that just on the water side?

1680
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,239
That's one of the things.

1681
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,000
» No, that's just

1682
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:19,839
» For the whole BPW.

1683
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,719
» Water solar.

1684
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:23,679
» No, the $und00 million is just the water

1685
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:24,960
side.

1686
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:27,600
» Okay. Well, that

1687
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,159
» 100 200. I mean, you're talking big

1688
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,159
money.

1689
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:34,719
» Well, I was always curious. Okay. But

1690
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:38,159
let me finish my whole sentence. So you

1691
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:40,880
funded identified is about 18 and that's

1692
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:44,719
everything water storm water electricity

1693
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:47,279
all that. So there's $30 million there.

1694
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:49,759
Tom's number is right

1695
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:52,319
is more than 100.

1696
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:53,839
So you're in very much in a priorities

1697
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,239
game.

1698
01:08:53,839 --> 01:09:00,000
So,

1699
01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:02,239
» And you know, we have used the

1700
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,359
uh revolving funds,

1701
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:08,960
» Right,

1702
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:14,080
» And loans to accomplish many things like

1703
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:16,560
Donovan Smith and you know the um

1704
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:19,839
uh pipe underneath the canal last year

1705
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:23,920
and you know those kinds of things. So,

1706
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:25,839
it's it's a key part of what we can

1707
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:29,679
apply for now.

1708
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:34,159
» And not not to throw um a water balloon

1709
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:36,000
on this, but this is all dependent upon

1710
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:39,520
the funding that's going to be coming

1711
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,920
down in the future. And none of us none

1712
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,920
of us have any control over that.

1713
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,640
» No, we we don't have control over it. So

1714
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,960
there is thank goodness some continuity

1715
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:52,480
in this White House as there has been

1716
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:55,120
for decades that drinking water is still

1717
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:58,480
a high priority. And so because drinking

1718
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,840
water is a high priority, the SRF grant

1719
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:05,280
for water and wastewater is kind of the

1720
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:08,080
golden grant that communities go after.

1721
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:11,120
So Tim, what I would say is you go after

1722
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:13,440
it every year. I would I would share the

1723
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,520
view of our partners at BPW. you go

1724
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:17,280
after it every year and you're hopeful

1725
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,199
that you get all or part and you're

1726
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,440
going to get most of it as a as a

1727
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:23,120
lowinterest loan with a 20 plus year

1728
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:25,199
payback. It's about the best

1729
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,840
environmental money that's out there.

1730
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:31,120
Then where they're gaps, you look into

1731
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:33,600
your own reserves, but you always you're

1732
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:37,199
always going to look for lowcost grant

1733
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:39,199
money over over operating funds. So,

1734
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:41,120
what I what I think we've got to do at

1735
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:42,480
this working meeting is make the

1736
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,159
commitment that we got to get this

1737
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:47,679
Burton subdivision, the whole of it

1738
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:50,159
done. And this goes back to Tom's

1739
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:53,040
comment about getting the public record.

1740
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:54,960
Uh that's part of the grant application.

1741
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,640
It's the scientific protocols, it's the

1742
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,840
data protocols, it's the public

1743
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:03,040
interest, it's the city support. All of

1744
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,400
that is the story. Um and I've in

1745
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:07,120
previous lives have written a lot of

1746
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:10,719
these grants. It's the story that ups

1747
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:12,400
you. So the city's saying, should we say

1748
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:14,960
that the Burton subdivision is one of

1749
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,360
our highest priorities, the office of

1750
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,199
drinking water will hear that because

1751
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,840
they'll know that both bodies are

1752
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:23,520
agreeing. What the what the the feds and

1753
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:27,520
the state, they don't want that we're

1754
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:29,440
divided. So the joint effort will really

1755
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,679
sorry expression carry the water, but it

1756
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:33,760
will in the grant process. Okay. So

1757
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:35,600
that's what I think we should commit to.

1758
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:38,400
And that means we're going to have to we

1759
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,280
don't have endless funds either. And so

1760
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:44,320
we have a 10-year plan for the street.

1761
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:46,400
And so maybe that's a 15-year plan now

1762
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,640
if this one becomes a priority. But I

1763
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,960
think we have to look at what are our

1764
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:54,120
priorities public health and also you

1765
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,120
know cran

1766
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:59,600
subdivision is in competition with other

1767
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,760
parts is if we have streets that are

1768
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,199
dangerous, sidewalks that are dangerous,

1769
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:08,080
that's public safety. But public health

1770
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:10,719
is higher and then public safety sitting

1771
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,239
as its sister very very close. So that's

1772
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:13,920
that's to me what I think we should do.

1773
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:16,000
I think we roll up our sleeves. We have

1774
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,800
GMBB there. Public's invited to listen

1775
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:21,280
in and we work we work out a joint plan

1776
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,640
for the joint projects. DPW has their

1777
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,400
own strategy and they should that's

1778
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,400
their business. But it's in the joint

1779
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,600
efforts that we have have shared vision

1780
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,600
and shared commitment.

1781
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:35,120
» All right.

1782
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:39,440
Um just the last couple of things and we

1783
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:41,520
can move on to the next. Um so we're

1784
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,440
going to continue to monitor discolored

1785
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:47,120
water. We're going to take the sample

1786
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,760
this week uh samples this week and we're

1787
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,880
going to continue to privatize

1788
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:56,400
prioritize our waterline replacement

1789
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:58,239
program based upon objective data for

1790
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,640
the entire

1791
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:02,560
BPW territory.

1792
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,920
Um,

1793
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:09,360
and as we covered before, you know, if

1794
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:11,840
you're experiencing discolored water and

1795
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:15,679
we encourage you to run the water for 5

1796
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:18,960
to 10 minutes, if it's still not clear

1797
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:21,280
and it's a change from prior, please

1798
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:25,520
call the BPW so we can build up the

1799
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:28,719
data, which as Amy has pointed out very

1800
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,440
helps support our grant applications.

1801
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:32,719
Um,

1802
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:35,360
» And so Sharon, whoever is in this, glad

1803
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:37,040
you're getting a robust call center. Um,

1804
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,520
they're going to need to document the

1805
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:42,719
time of day that, you know, there that

1806
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:44,159
data can't just be 22 people call. It's

1807
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:46,159
going to have to have an audit trail

1808
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,719
behind it so we can use it in the grant

1809
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,880
application.

1810
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:51,199
» Y and that call center's got to be

1811
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,280
available for these kinds of calls about

1812
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,400
discoloration, not just outages.

1813
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,480
» Correct. Correct.

1814
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,159
» That's always Yeah,

1815
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:00,239
» They're always available. Right. That's

1816
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:01,920
a call center for everything, electric,

1817
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:05,040
water, sewer.

1818
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:08,080
» May I make a suggestion? Um, it was said

1819
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,080
earlier that this is a a daily constant

1820
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:14,080
situation in the development. That's why

1821
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:15,840
they don't call in. Uh, because they

1822
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,000
don't want to bother anyone, but it's a

1823
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,920
constant situation.

1824
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,080
Is there any way that you could come up

1825
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,239
with a standardized checklist to give

1826
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,800
all the folks in your area that's

1827
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:28,960
uniform that they can check every day

1828
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,960
that they have cloudiness or

1829
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:34,000
discoloration in their water and submit

1830
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,440
it to the BPW at the end of the month?

1831
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,679
Would that be something that would be

1832
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:40,719
helpful in applying for these joint

1833
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:42,960
funds to show that there's a need?

1834
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:44,800
» I don't think supplying it on a monthly

1835
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,199
basis because it doesn't give us the

1836
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,320
timeliness of being able to go out.

1837
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:51,760
» Okay. Yeah.

1838
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:54,480
» And I think the state could say it's

1839
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,480
manipulated. It's better that you call

1840
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:59,280
in and you just got the offer to call

1841
01:14:56,480 --> 01:15:00,480
in. So when it changes. So I I hear what

1842
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,760
you're trying to say because that sounds

1843
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,159
more efficient.

1844
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,760
» Yeah.

1845
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:05,280
» But the office of drinking water isn't

1846
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,239
going to care about efficiency. They're

1847
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,679
going to care about customer demand. And

1848
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:12,159
then there could be something that could

1849
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:13,360
actually uh BW needs to respond to.

1850
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,080
Okay. So that's why you don't want to

1851
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,000
have it a delay.

1852
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:18,000
» Yeah. I'm not I'm gonna ask one last

1853
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:21,840
question about this subject and that's a

1854
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:26,000
promise uh at this time is the last

1855
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:31,199
question I'm gonna ask and that is if uh

1856
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:34,640
a customer uh calls in and reports

1857
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:37,520
what is what what is that trigger within

1858
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:40,480
the BPW organization

1859
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:43,679
that uh do you do you send someone to

1860
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:45,679
the field to verify or do you just

1861
01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:47,040
simply tabulate.

1862
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:47,679
» I'm going to let Robin and Shar the

1863
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,360
trigger.

1864
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:52,320
» I'm going to let Robin and Sharon answer

1865
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,159
that.

1866
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,640
» Well, it's it's going to trigger that we

1867
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:59,120
can track it. So, if it's the same house

1868
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,040
always having the same issues or if um

1869
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,480
three people side by side are having

1870
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,920
these issues, but the people across the

1871
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,520
street never call, we're we're thinking

1872
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,120
that it's isolated. And if that's the

1873
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:11,120
case, we may go out there and take a

1874
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,400
look. Um and and with this case, if it's

1875
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,080
happening every day, we probably will

1876
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,960
not respond every day. But in other

1877
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:19,199
areas, we have one guy we have, he'll

1878
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,120
call, but it happens maybe once every

1879
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,640
other month, one time, but if he calls

1880
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,080
at that moment, we know we need to go

1881
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,000
out there and we could take a look at

1882
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,320
the water meter and look and see if it's

1883
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,880
there or it might be something in his

1884
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,400
pipes in his house. So, but with this

1885
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,560
one, I don't think it's going to be us

1886
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,560
going out there every day. However, like

1887
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:39,040
I said, if we get a group in just one

1888
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,239
isolated area, we might say, "Okay,

1889
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,520
maybe something's happening in this

1890
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:43,120
specific area and we might want to go

1891
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,920
out there and take a look."

1892
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,239
» Very well said. Thank you.

1893
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,640
» So, we've been discussing three and four

1894
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:51,040
together. U

1895
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,480
» Yeah,

1896
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,719
» Which makes sense. It's the funding

1897
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:57,679
mechanism for what we're doing in three.

1898
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:59,600
I I think we also if Robin and Elarine,

1899
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:01,520
some of the public may not know that you

1900
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,080
have a routine meeting. if you could

1901
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:06,719
just go both of you comment on that that

1902
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,280
we are having a a water task force

1903
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:10,239
meeting.

1904
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,640
» Yes, we do have uh monthly meetings with

1905
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:15,520
the Burton subdivision water task force

1906
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:18,560
group. It does include city, myself and

1907
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:21,199
Janet as well as the BPW and GMD. And so

1908
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:23,520
we are tracking and looking for ways to

1909
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:25,840
uh speed up the completion at least of

1910
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,239
the Fourth Street and Park Avenue to

1911
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,159
Johnson project.

1912
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:32,400
» Uh would you do me a favor? Would you

1913
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:34,560
define the Burton subdivision? Uh, I was

1914
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:36,080
asked when I went back, what exactly is

1915
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,560
the Burton subdivision? Some of the

1916
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,800
folks here don't they're here for

1917
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,320
another reason other than Burton.

1918
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:46,320
» Okay.

1919
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:48,320
Yeah. Go ahead.

1920
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:52,480
» So, we consider the Burton subdivision

1921
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,520
to be Park Avenue, Johnson, Dupant, Aer,

1922
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,600
and then Burton,

1923
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:58,719
» Right?

1924
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,480
» With the extension on to fourth.

1925
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:01,760
» Yes. Yes. Onto the fourth.

1926
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:03,360
» Okay.

1927
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,199
» And that's our same definition.

1928
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:08,080
» It's apparently it's one of the oldest

1929
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:10,400
developments in the city.

1930
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,239
» It's my understanding. Uh the age of

1931
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,000
that pipe.

1932
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:14,480
» That's right.

1933
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,280
» Okay.

1934
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,560
» Does anyone know I I'm going back in my

1935
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,640
word. I have one more question.

1936
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,239
» I know it. You know, you had a whole

1937
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:26,440
audience that was there. We can't take

1938
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:26,440
questions now. I'm so sorry.

1939
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:33,280
» Right. All right. Real quickly, uh when

1940
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,640
the city went about doing uh the

1941
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:39,360
redevelopment of Second Street, uh were

1942
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:43,600
the water pipes, the sewer pipes

1943
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,080
replaced on that street?

1944
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,640
Press?

1945
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:48,880
» That's even before my time. I I I

1946
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,400
believe they were, but I I couldn't

1947
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,840
swear to it.

1948
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:56,239
» Yeah, that's it was before my time also,

1949
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,040
but I'm I'm pretty sure that was the

1950
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:59,920
case. the whole street was ripped up and

1951
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,000
» Things were put underground.

1952
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,719
» The electric was put underground and the

1953
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,480
water and sewer.

1954
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:07,280
» So, I would assume that everything was

1955
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:08,800
replaced at that at that point.

1956
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,560
» We we can verify that.

1957
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,199
» Okay, that would be helpful.

1958
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,520
» All right. So, this was a critical part

1959
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:17,679
of our agenda, but I do want to keep

1960
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,040
» Andrew's nodding in the affirmative.

1961
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:19,840
» They were okay.

1962
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,239
» Yeah.

1963
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,159
» The city engineer is not public. So, if

1964
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:25,840
you have a statement you need to make,

1965
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,280
you're fine. You're you're actually you

1966
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,920
should be sitting at this table actually

1967
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,640
in the future. Next time sit up here Ben

1968
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,840
and

1969
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:35,600
» So we have the public

1970
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:38,000
» Andrew and Ben some GMBB here.

1971
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,560
» Um let's go back on the state revolving

1972
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,560
fund which is item four on the agenda

1973
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:45,760
and that is not just to the Burton

1974
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:47,920
subdivision. Um I haven't been mayor

1975
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:51,360
while you've all set this up. I was on

1976
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:55,120
council, but I would like to better

1977
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:57,199
understand the timing and the process se

1978
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:00,000
in addition to the Burton subdivision

1979
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:01,920
because when you're applying for

1980
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,960
big grant funding, we want to make sure

1981
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,719
it's in concert, it's your priorities

1982
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,640
technically and it's also our priorities

1983
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:10,719
for the public. So, what is the process

1984
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,920
that the city and BPW have used in the

1985
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:17,560
past to decide and discuss what the

1986
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,560
different options are?

1987
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,000
Well, I think overall what we what we've

1988
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:24,320
been doing been doing recently in the

1989
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:27,120
past years or so is we've been getting

1990
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:31,199
together. Um these quarterly meetings do

1991
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:33,360
help discussing, you know, our projects

1992
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:36,239
and the city projects and trying to come

1993
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,920
up with a solution to make sure one of

1994
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:40,880
us is not doing something over the

1995
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:43,600
other. Um I think that's worked well. I

1996
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,719
think in the past years, even before my

1997
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:48,640
time, um it was kind of a here's our

1998
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:50,960
plan, here's your plan, and we just kind

1999
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,719
of I don't say winged it, but that was

2000
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,239
about it. But now I think we kind of

2001
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:56,480
work together and now these meetings

2002
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,080
have really helped out a lot. So we can

2003
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:01,120
combine and say, look, this is our

2004
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:03,440
priority. This is the BPW priority. How

2005
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,440
can these work together? Somebody might

2006
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:07,600
have to shuffle

2007
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:10,000
an item lower or move it up higher on

2008
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:13,120
the list. So I think overall I think

2009
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,679
that's really helped out. So we're not

2010
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:19,520
looking at these things independently.

2011
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:21,040
» And I would add to that is in the last

2012
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,600
year we've been working more

2013
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:27,040
cooperatively on things like the Burton

2014
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:31,199
subdivision. We added an extra million

2015
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:33,679
dollars to the SRF loan as an addendum

2016
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:34,800
to help to for the city to pay the

2017
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:36,960
streets

2018
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,199
» Because you didn't have the finances to

2019
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:42,480
be able to do that. And you know,

2020
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:44,000
anywhere we can do that to piggyback

2021
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:46,080
because we're the only ones who can

2022
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,480
apply for SRF funding.

2023
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:51,440
» Right. Okay. So, what we're committing

2024
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:53,840
to do is a working meeting with GMBB

2025
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,840
before our next quarterly meeting where

2026
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:58,080
we're really looking at the Burton

2027
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,719
subdivision. And then when is your

2028
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,800
application due for SRF?

2029
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:03,600
» Normally, the SRF applications are due

2030
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,480
in February.

2031
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,600
» In February,

2032
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:07,520
» You got to get the paperwork together

2033
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,800
beforehand, but normally February is the

2034
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,679
is the submission date.

2035
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,840
» Okay. So, it could be in that working

2036
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:15,760
group. We could do two of those things

2037
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:18,080
or or we have to have another special

2038
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,760
session where we're looking at what

2039
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:22,960
parties you have in ours so that they

2040
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:24,320
mesh. Okay. Um All right. Given time and

2041
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,120
we want to leave a lot of time for the

2042
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,880
public.

2043
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,120
» Uh let's move on because I think some of

2044
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:31,360
these others are a little bit shorter.

2045
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,520
Number five is update and discussion on

2046
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,719
dark sky friendly lighting which is an

2047
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,719
effort uh joint and it's led by

2048
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:41,520
Councilman Ritzert and the citizen lead

2049
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:44,000
is Mary Linda Maddie. So, Councilman

2050
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:46,000
Ritzard, any update? And and this is

2051
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,760
just beginning. So, even if your update

2052
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,440
is there's no update, that's okay. We

2053
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,000
just want to know that it's moving.

2054
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:54,239
» He's gonna shine some light.

2055
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,719
» Very good, Joe.

2056
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:59,520
Uh I will take 45 seconds or less if you

2057
01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:02,000
want to set the clock. Uh yes, I have

2058
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:05,520
met with Maryland and Maddie uh several

2059
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:10,560
times and we have begun to sketch out

2060
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:12,960
what we think is just the beginning uh

2061
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:16,320
formation of what the study will

2062
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:19,040
encompass. Uh we have taken identified

2063
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,880
some streets in the city that we have

2064
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:24,159
actually gone out into the field and

2065
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,920
surveyed at nighttime to uh to see if in

2066
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:29,360
fact they would be candidates for the

2067
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:33,040
pilot program. This study is heavily

2068
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:34,880
relying upon a pilot program where we

2069
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,800
would the goal would be that we would

2070
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:43,440
actually uh test uh the installation

2071
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:47,840
test by installing uh samples of dark

2072
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:50,800
sky friendly light fixtures. And uh and

2073
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,080
this is going to require us to uh we've

2074
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,239
identified this early on in the

2075
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,400
discussion that we will need to capture

2076
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:58,960
the current data points with respect to

2077
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:03,440
what the current lighting light level is

2078
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:05,840
on streets in areas and then also uh

2079
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:08,880
during the summer season with with

2080
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,320
leaves on trees and then capture it

2081
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:14,639
again in the winter time. So that we you

2082
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:17,760
know we have that kind of data points

2083
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:19,600
» And and you are going to be in relying

2084
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,800
or working with BPWs.

2085
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:25,120
» Oh yes. Oh yeah. It's just been too

2086
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,440
premature in our discussions to actually

2087
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:30,320
take their time their bandwidth in these

2088
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:32,719
discussions at this point in time. And

2089
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:34,239
uh yes we will be doing that.

2090
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:36,400
» Okay that sounds good. And then for the

2091
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:38,800
public to know at at the city's

2092
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,880
September workshop, we are going to be

2093
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,520
looking uh at each of these small

2094
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,960
projects, the fountain, the dark

2095
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,120
skylighting that I mean, not to say

2096
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,880
they're they're small, but we're going

2097
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,719
to get an update on all of the projects,

2098
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,199
block house pond, um all the different

2099
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:55,040
ones, mobility parking that we have

2100
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:56,719
initiated.

2101
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:59,440
Did you have anything else on your side

2102
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:59,760
on Dark Side?

2103
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:00,400
» No.

2104
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:00,719
» No.

2105
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,520
» Okay.

2106
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:06,800
» I just note that this is an endeavor

2107
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:09,120
that's going on across the country and

2108
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,480
there are several cities uh that have

2109
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:15,840
got programs in place and especially out

2110
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:18,239
west. Uh but uh Pittsburgh has got a

2111
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,040
very good program underway right now.

2112
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:19,440
» Yeah, they do.

2113
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,679
» Yeah.

2114
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:24,239
» So, we're not alone on this. There's

2115
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:25,600
lots of expertise out there that we can

2116
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:27,679
piggyback off of.

2117
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,400
» Right. Okay. Let's move on to number

2118
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:33,440
six. Um and Tom, this is you. An update

2119
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:36,000
on the wastewater treatment. So plan

2120
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:38,239
» Don't have a lot of update right now. Um

2121
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:42,800
we're still continuing to talk with the

2122
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:46,400
county um to develop u the baseline

2123
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:49,360
agreement. Uh once we get that finalized

2124
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:51,280
with the county or not finalized once we

2125
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,000
get a draft

2126
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:57,600
from the count with the county we will

2127
01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:00,239
be scheduling uh a public workshop. I

2128
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:06,000
know I had promised it in the middle of

2129
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:10,400
July, but you know, we're 95% done.

2130
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:13,440
We're 99% done and the last 1% is taking

2131
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:17,120
equal amount of time. So, it's, you

2132
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:20,080
know, typical negotiations. Um I I see a

2133
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:23,840
light at the end of the tunnel and uh we

2134
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:26,880
will making more uh announcements about

2135
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:29,199
this and we will hold a public workshop

2136
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:33,360
and we will distribute the agreement

2137
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:34,400
prior to the workshop. So that's about

2138
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,639
all I had.

2139
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,719
» Okay.

2140
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:41,040
» All right. Let's move on to item seven.

2141
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:45,719
GMBB. You're making a presentation to

2142
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:45,719
this joint group I believe.

2143
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:03,280
Let the record show that press Lee is

2144
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:05,920
leaving us right now.

2145
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,920
Everyone say goodbye press.

2146
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,920
Bye.

2147
01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:13,800
[Music]

2148
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:18,960
All right, good afternoon everybody. Um,

2149
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,880
so we wanted to give a brief update on

2150
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,560
the joint projects that the city and the

2151
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,719
board are currently working on as well

2152
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,600
as looking towards in a little bit of

2153
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:30,960
the future. First one being Fourth

2154
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:32,400
Street and Park Avenue project. Um,

2155
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,040
» Ben, please talk to them.

2156
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:36,639
» Okay, sorry. Apologies. Um, first one is

2157
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:40,719
the Fourth Street and Park Avenue

2158
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:43,840
project. Um so far uh well I guess just

2159
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:45,440
kind of high level you know at that at

2160
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:49,120
this point we are looking to replace

2161
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:51,520
water main water services hydrants and

2162
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:55,440
valves as well as replace rehab sewer

2163
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:59,040
mains storm water mains laterals inlets

2164
01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:02,320
and then on the city side um we're

2165
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:04,960
looking at a full reconstruction of both

2166
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:07,360
streets with options of select por

2167
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,840
pavement um based on infiltration

2168
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:12,000
testing results that you know need to be

2169
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,159
done. Um, additional improvements

2170
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:17,199
include ADA compliant sidewalks, ADA

2171
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:18,880
ramps, curving, traffic calming, tree

2172
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:21,679
work, as as we've kind of alluded to

2173
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,040
before.

2174
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:24,960
» We're also looking at some of those

2175
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,960
traffic calming um like you said,

2176
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:29,840
bumpouts. Um, this is all at the

2177
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:31,840
conceptual stage at this point. Um, so

2178
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,239
one of the things that we really would

2179
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:36,800
like to do is to meet with some of the

2180
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:39,280
residents of the Bolton Avenue, Fourth

2181
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:42,159
Street area, um, 10 or two sort of like

2182
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:47,120
the task force um, to get some ideas of

2183
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:48,639
what um, would help in in Dale um, mind

2184
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:51,679
of what the streetscape should be,

2185
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:53,600
especially for park. Um, but we know

2186
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:55,280
there has been some ideas that have been

2187
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,760
communicated, so we'll be looking at

2188
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,920
those also. Um, again, we're at the

2189
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:02,320
conceptual stage, so we just did get the

2190
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:04,080
full base map done. Um, and we'll be

2191
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:06,480
sharing that with the bike and ped

2192
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,560
committee um for their next meeting uh

2193
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:10,159
to get any concerns that they have on

2194
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:13,520
the existing area.

2195
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:16,080
» We have reviewed the bike and ped report

2196
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,920
um and master plan. And at least in that

2197
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,000
section of four street, there was no

2198
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,840
recommendations from the plan, but we

2199
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,080
want to get a, you know, a good feel for

2200
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:26,239
them on what they they think since we're

2201
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,800
going to be redoing the whole street at

2202
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:29,120
that point.

2203
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,440
» So I I believe Trina and I have agreed

2204
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,920
to meet with you. Is wasn't that around

2205
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:35,280
October 8th you would begin that uh

2206
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,280
looking at?

2207
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,560
» We actually should be able to do that uh

2208
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,320
sooner than that.

2209
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,679
» Okay. Well, just let us know and we'll

2210
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,280
get some folks from the community

2211
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:46,480
together.

2212
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:49,440
» Great. And and just to highlight the

2213
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:51,120
magnitude of this project both, you

2214
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:53,679
know, we've broken it down versus city

2215
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:56,560
versus BPW costs, but in total, the

2216
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:59,920
project will we're estimating is $8.5

2217
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,280
million just for this amount of work.

2218
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:03,760
It's it's a large project, but it's a

2219
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:06,000
large amount of money as well.

2220
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,920
» The one thing I wanted to joint cost,

2221
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,800
excuse me. I'm sorry, Tom. Excuse me.

2222
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,840
No, go ahead.

2223
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,400
» Was that the joint cost?

2224
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:15,040
» Correct. Yes. In in round numbers.

2225
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:17,600
» Yes, I understand. Yes. I think we've

2226
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:21,199
covered it uh both in the city council

2227
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:23,120
meeting and in BPW's meeting that we did

2228
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:26,639
look at undergrounding the electric

2229
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:28,719
utilities and it was on the order of $40

2230
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:32,639
million

2231
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:35,040
just a real guesstimate and it's due to

2232
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:38,960
uh constraints with the water and the

2233
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:42,159
sewer lines. the fact that there's many

2234
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:46,400
of those houses have very very little

2235
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:49,040
areas to put transformers and we, you

2236
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:51,679
know, we didn't feel that even though

2237
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:56,560
the roads going to be open, it was

2238
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:58,480
worthwhile to spend $40 million on when

2239
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:01,199
we could spend that money on

2240
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:04,480
undergrounding or hardening other areas

2241
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:05,840
and cities that are more susceptible. So

2242
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:08,880
I just wanted to point out that's

2243
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:12,800
excluded from this.

2244
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:15,120
» Before you move on, uh

2245
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,280
may when you describe this as you're in

2246
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:20,000
the conceptualized phase, is that

2247
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:22,239
correct? U what is your projection for

2248
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:26,920
the time that you will time span that

2249
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:26,920
you'll be in the conceptualized phase?

2250
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,960
» Actually, we're just about finished the

2251
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:33,040
conceptual phase.

2252
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,840
» I see. Um and and that's actually going

2253
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,880
to be a slide in a minute

2254
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,600
coming up.

2255
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,000
» Sorry.

2256
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,840
» When you say conceptual,

2257
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,239
» Um

2258
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:46,000
» Could that change? I mean, is it that

2259
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:47,679
conceptual that we're going to have to

2260
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,960
change it when the community meets with

2261
01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:52,800
you? So my question is, are we spending

2262
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,000
money that we shouldn't have spent? We

2263
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,159
should have been involved in this

2264
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,159
process early.

2265
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:59,679
No, this is the time when in the

2266
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:01,520
conceptual we do want to meet with

2267
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,639
everybody because that's that's early

2268
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:05,040
enough.

2269
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:06,880
» Yeah, we we have gotten all the

2270
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,960
background information that actually

2271
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:11,360
meeting with the with the residents

2272
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,760
would be more appropriate at this time.

2273
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:16,560
Um so that the information is there on

2274
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:19,440
exactly what is all the base map the

2275
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:21,840
underground um constraints that we do

2276
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:24,800
have and then all of the surveying base

2277
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:28,639
map. So our conceptual designs are we

2278
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:31,280
don't for the streetscape we'll say or

2279
01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:31,760
for lack of a better term sketches.

2280
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,840
» Okay.

2281
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:36,480
» Um they there's not any of the hard

2282
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:39,360
engineering in those. It's ideas of what

2283
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:41,679
can happen and ideas. So that's the time

2284
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,760
when we want to meet with everybody. Um

2285
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:46,239
once you get through prelimin

2286
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:48,719
preliminary that's when you have all of

2287
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:51,280
your engineering at least you know

2288
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:53,120
everything can happen and any changes at

2289
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,719
that point become more expensive.

2290
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,719
» Okay.

2291
01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:58,960
» And I'm just going to do a time clock

2292
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:01,280
here um because we're going to have to

2293
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,120
be rushing you more than we want to.

2294
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:05,440
» Um so we leave adequate time for public

2295
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:07,440
comment. Uh, so that might mean a

2296
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:09,360
follow-up meeting um that you're on a

2297
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:11,679
workshop schedule with the city and

2298
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,520
maybe at a BPW board meeting as well.

2299
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:15,280
So, if you can stay hi and if you all

2300
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,280
can limit your

2301
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,280
» If you could just hold for the questions

2302
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,520
because there's a a public out there

2303
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,159
that we're squeezing their time.

2304
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,560
» Yep.

2305
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:26,000
» Okay. And I apologize both to you both

2306
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,480
you gentlemen. We had a big agenda

2307
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,960
tonight.

2308
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:30,320
» No, you're you're fine. So, in in a high

2309
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:33,280
level, you know, we are we are just

2310
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:35,920
about through the conceptual phase. Um,

2311
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:38,320
as as Andrew just alluded to, um, we did

2312
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,480
provide a more

2313
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,239
robust kind of status update. You know,

2314
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:43,679
I won't hit all the highlights, but in

2315
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:46,000
general, you know, we're we're pretty

2316
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:48,080
far on the utility design in terms of

2317
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,320
conceptually sizing things, making sure

2318
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:52,400
things work, what we need to look at.

2319
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:55,360
Um, on the street side, you know, Andrew

2320
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:58,400
just covered that. Um on the next slide

2321
01:33:55,360 --> 01:34:00,560
we did provide a again a highlevel gant

2322
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:03,199
chart that kind of shows where we are

2323
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:05,120
where we expect where we I guess where

2324
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:07,679
we expected to be and where we are the

2325
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,120
percentages there show kind of where we

2326
01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:14,000
are as of the middle of July when this

2327
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:15,920
printout was made. So progress has been

2328
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,840
made since that point. These percentages

2329
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:22,000
are higher than what they are shown on

2330
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:24,159
this um sheet.

2331
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,920
Um,

2332
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:28,000
so that's that's kind of our high level

2333
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:30,239
update on Fourth and Park.

2334
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:32,880
» When you um update this in the future,

2335
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:34,639
can you have a uh I'm just going to call

2336
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,639
it streetscape. You can use whatever

2337
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:38,800
term you want. I know it's embedded in

2338
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:41,199
your design and data, but for the

2339
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,960
public, they're going to care about what

2340
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:45,679
you're delivering, but it's, you know,

2341
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,760
it's 90% it's once you solve the water

2342
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:49,040
and wastewater, it's above ground. And

2343
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,520
so they're gonna want to know the

2344
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:53,040
streetscape process within your design

2345
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,360
or the time frame. Okay.

2346
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,920
» Yeah, we we do have the the streets in

2347
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:01,520
there for conceptual. Um trying to make

2348
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:03,360
it as high level as possible. We're in

2349
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:06,480
conceptual. We didn't break down the

2350
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:08,159
preliminary and the um final design. Oh,

2351
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:10,400
is that which broke down the same way?

2352
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:12,719
» Your column of street means that that's

2353
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,600
all. I didn't see it that way. We can we

2354
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:15,440
can make that more clear.

2355
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:18,719
» No, it's fine. I could read a little bit

2356
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:20,400
better, too.

2357
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:22,719
Okay.

2358
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,960
» Um so our next project that is a joint

2359
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:28,639
project is Hornkill Avenue which is

2360
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:31,040
water, sewer and streets. Um just as a a

2361
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:33,600
reminder this project includes an incity

2362
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:37,120
portion piece as well as an out of city

2363
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:40,080
portion which is um

2364
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:43,760
because the street you know because the

2365
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:47,440
street city limit line cuts the the cuts

2366
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:48,159
the street in I don't know twothirds.

2367
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:49,679
» Yeah detail.

2368
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:53,760
» Um so part of the project is we're

2369
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:55,920
bringing in um 11 new homes or 11

2370
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:59,840
existing homes into the BPW service

2371
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:02,239
area. um giving them water and sewer. Um

2372
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:06,719
part of this project is replacement of

2373
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:08,560
the existing water man. Um CIP lining of

2374
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:10,960
the existing sewer main, replacing a

2375
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:15,120
pump station, upgrading the street

2376
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:17,040
potentially with a porous um option um

2377
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:20,320
based on

2378
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:22,480
the infiltration testing. Um the

2379
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:27,440
magnitude of this project between the

2380
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:30,080
two um city versus BPW is uh just about

2381
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:32,639
$3 million.

2382
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:34,960
Um

2383
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:37,600
where we stand on this project, we have

2384
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:39,600
the design, you know, fully underway,

2385
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:42,320
working on the pump station specifically

2386
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:44,719
through the resiliency approach um with

2387
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:46,320
the board. Um the utility lines in the

2388
01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:49,040
street have been laid out and you know,

2389
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:52,159
geotechnical work is very imminent. um

2390
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:56,520
for this project

2391
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:56,520
and um

2392
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:04,080
we have also provided a Gant chart as

2393
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:06,480
well to give again again a high level

2394
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:09,040
insight on the progress. So right now we

2395
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:10,719
are about all we're almost all the way

2396
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,239
through the preliminary design of this

2397
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:16,639
project. We're working on the final

2398
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:18,800
design. Um we have

2399
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:22,480
again this is you know as of the middle

2400
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:24,400
of July um you know geote some of the

2401
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:26,639
things holding us back right now geotech

2402
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,480
is slightly behind schedule our

2403
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:32,159
electrical design is slightly behind

2404
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:36,760
schedule um but anticipating you know

2405
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:36,760
moving forward on that project as we can

2406
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,000
and

2407
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:41,840
» Thanks for the Gant charts by the way

2408
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,199
» Hopefully. Yeah, they're hopeful.

2409
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:46,400
» They're hopeful.

2410
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:49,280
» Um the next joint project is Alaska

2411
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:52,159
Avenue Improvements. Um again, as a

2412
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:55,679
reminder, you know that this is a paper

2413
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:58,080
street and um if you recall, an adjacent

2414
01:37:55,679 --> 01:38:00,960
parcels being developed um which

2415
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:03,199
required an entrance off Alaska Avenue

2416
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:07,119
um that required bringing the street up

2417
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:08,800
to standard. And as as this project has

2418
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:10,800
developed, the city and the board have

2419
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:14,880
decided to extend that a little bit

2420
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:17,040
further to fully p fully bring up the

2421
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,920
paper street to standard, not just the

2422
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:22,159
small section related to the um

2423
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:25,040
development that is occurring. So that

2424
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:28,080
includes um replacement of water man,

2425
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:30,400
cap lining of sewer manes, full

2426
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:32,719
reconstruction of the road with porous

2427
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:34,639
pavement and drainage swale. Um the

2428
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:36,960
overall construction estimate is

2429
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:38,960
$438,000.

2430
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:42,320
Um we are currently meeting with the

2431
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:44,320
city and the board um to discuss the

2432
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:47,679
cost share of what that looks like. So I

2433
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:49,679
can't break it down for you in terms of

2434
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,800
city would be this responsibility, board

2435
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:53,440
would be that responsibility because

2436
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,719
that just hasn't been determined yet. Um

2437
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:58,239
working with the developer.

2438
01:38:54,719 --> 01:39:00,000
» Developer share. Okay.

2439
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:01,600
» And I'll just note on this one, the

2440
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:04,159
permits have been acquired. you know,

2441
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:06,080
everything's almost ready to go whenever

2442
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:06,719
we're ready to go with that.

2443
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:09,719
» Okay.

2444
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:09,719
» Alask

2445
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:12,960
order.

2446
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,119
» Okay.

2447
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:17,920
» Um, so one of the other projects that we

2448
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:21,199
have is the Monroe U Railroad Adams

2449
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:23,520
Avenue project. Um, and this is a larger

2450
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:25,920
project we've been working on. Um BPW

2451
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:28,320
improvements include um replacement of

2452
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,480
water main and service on Monroe Avenue

2453
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:32,639
and then tying over the existing

2454
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:36,000
services on Railroad Avenue from the

2455
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:38,560
Castile line uh to the the newer 16inch

2456
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:40,960
line that's existing now. Um and also

2457
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:45,440
replacement of the

2458
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:49,040
um so main new storm water um inlets. Um

2459
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:51,520
the BPW constructed estimated cost is

2460
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,679
$1.35 million.

2461
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:55,440
Uh city improvements uh include a

2462
01:39:53,679 --> 01:39:58,320
section of porous pavement uh in the

2463
01:39:55,440 --> 01:40:01,440
park parking area, new ADA ramps, ADA

2464
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:04,480
compliant sidewalk cing. Um that

2465
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:07,760
construction estimate is 1.137

2466
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:10,800
million. There was also originally FEMA

2467
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:12,880
funding for 587,000.

2468
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:15,360
Um that was not included in the

2469
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:18,800
construction cost to the city.

2470
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,199
um that unfortunately as of April um

2471
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:24,000
that funding was pulled and I don't

2472
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:26,000
believe that is coming back. Um so right

2473
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,480
now the we're in the final stages of

2474
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:31,520
design um but still waiting on a little

2475
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:34,719
bit of um information from the city on

2476
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:37,199
how we want to proceed with that. Um now

2477
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:41,199
there's 600,000 in funding that is been

2478
01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:43,520
lost on that one.

2479
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:46,480
Um the next one is actually the future

2480
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:49,920
project that I we owe a a proposal to

2481
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:54,400
this the city on. Um and this is Marina

2482
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:55,679
Drive. Um so for BPW improvements um

2483
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:58,480
there is nothing in the capital

2484
01:40:55,679 --> 01:41:01,360
improvements plan. Um there may be some

2485
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:03,440
light catch basin repair that we

2486
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:05,360
recommend as we've gone out there and

2487
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:07,280
found we've got some

2488
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:10,000
» We've actually got some seedal bushes

2489
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:12,000
growing out of two of the catch basins.

2490
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:15,119
Um so we've got to do a little bit of

2491
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:17,440
work to see exactly what those are. Um

2492
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:19,760
any if there's any damage uh to those

2493
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:22,400
catch basins um because of that you

2494
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,800
actually can't see the catch basins from

2495
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:27,440
the street in that area because of those

2496
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,880
cedar bushes. Um, so they've got to be

2497
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:31,040
cleared and actually we've got to do a

2498
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:33,040
little bit of work to to see on that.

2499
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:35,280
Otherwise, this is just a city project

2500
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:39,040
which is anticipated for one and a half

2501
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:41,440
inch mill overlay. Um, if there are no

2502
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:43,360
improvements, other improvements needed

2503
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:45,360
like because the catch basins are

2504
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:47,280
damaged, then it's probably a catch

2505
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:50,480
basin top replacement. We've been asked

2506
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:53,440
to look at that. If you have noticed the

2507
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:56,239
catch basins that are there, um, they

2508
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:58,400
are a different design. Uh so there is

2509
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:00,719
swailes and right at the catch basins

2510
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:03,199
there are concrete channels that are

2511
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:07,360
about 2 feet wide and then there is a

2512
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:10,880
parkway top unit that sits about 2 feet

2513
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:12,960
18 in above the top of the swale. Um

2514
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,800
what would we would recommend be more

2515
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:17,600
appropriate is that parkway grate

2516
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,560
actually be at the base of the swale. Um

2517
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:22,800
so that may that top unit may be um

2518
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,719
modified. Um, again, we'll look at that

2519
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,159
if there's any other improvements that

2520
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:27,119
are necessary.

2521
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:28,800
» Um,

2522
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:29,280
» D had a question for you to

2523
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,159
» Yep.

2524
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:34,400
» Apologize. Um,

2525
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:36,560
are you taking in are you going to This

2526
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,440
is the community here is called Pilot

2527
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,320
Town Park.

2528
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:41,040
» Yep.

2529
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:43,600
» My question is, are you only looking at

2530
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:46,000
this section of Pilot Town Park or are

2531
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:48,080
you looking at the entire Pilot Town

2532
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:51,440
Park? As of as of this time, according

2533
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:53,520
to the CIP, um we're only looking at

2534
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:54,159
Marina Drive from Pilottown Road to

2535
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,840
Fourth Street.

2536
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:57,280
» But you're also looking at University,

2537
01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:01,199
correct?

2538
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:02,880
» Not as part of this project.

2539
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:04,800
» Okay, I'll take that.

2540
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,600
» Not not at the we we've not been given

2541
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,320
direction for that.

2542
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:10,560
» Okay. So I have a a question also Andrew

2543
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:13,920
and might be to the larger group and

2544
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:16,080
that is um given that we are working on

2545
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:18,639
these particular projects and we were

2546
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:21,040
just talking about prioritizing based

2547
01:43:18,639 --> 01:43:22,800
upon health needs

2548
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:25,440
are these

2549
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:28,400
up for grabs when we need

2550
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:31,520
» These are public safety these are in our

2551
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:33,679
priority not so yes everything is up for

2552
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:35,119
grabs when we sit down and talk. Okay.

2553
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:37,520
» Okay.

2554
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:40,000
» But just to be clear, the Marina Drive

2555
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:41,280
would is mostly one of the maintenance

2556
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,840
projects for the city,

2557
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,239
» Right? Which is its own budget item.

2558
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,600
» Okay.

2559
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:46,080
» Pure maintenance.

2560
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,239
» Okay.

2561
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:50,320
» Okay. And we'll we'll invite them back.

2562
01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:51,920
Okay. Yeah. Because we're at we're

2563
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,520
quarter to three. Okay. Thanks.

2564
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:56,800
» Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen.

2565
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:59,520
» Uh I did on the last item, which is Army

2566
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:01,679
Reserve, I gave a detailed overview at

2567
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,719
the public workshop. So if you heard

2568
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:07,440
that public workshop um but I will

2569
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:10,320
summarize it in three minutes. The Army

2570
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:13,440
Reserve program uh is through our

2571
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:16,560
federal delegation and the only way we

2572
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:18,719
will accept this land is if we know that

2573
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,719
it is environmentally clean. That

2574
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:23,199
definition of what environmentally clean

2575
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:26,080
means is in process. So we have

2576
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:27,920
completed phase one um and we are

2577
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:30,560
looking to go after a brownfields grant

2578
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:33,280
for phase two. We are looking to have a

2579
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:36,719
citizen engagement uh like a public

2580
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:38,880
information officer working with us and

2581
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:41,360
then eventually we would go out for

2582
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:42,560
design and construction. So it's a big

2583
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:44,960
project. The only thing I want to share

2584
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:47,600
at this point is some citizens have said

2585
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:50,560
well why don't you just use it for

2586
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:52,480
affordable housing. The delegation that

2587
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,880
organized to get this to Lewis

2588
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:57,600
specifically in the arrangement said it

2589
01:44:54,880 --> 01:45:00,239
need to be for municipal campus BPWs

2590
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:02,800
listed and the police. So the purpose of

2591
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:05,440
it was already set. Where we're spending

2592
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:08,000
our time now is making sure it is going

2593
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:09,760
to be environmentally clean and sharing

2594
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,520
that with the public once we get through

2595
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,320
the process. But if you listen to the

2596
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:16,320
workshop, I was um verbose on this topic

2597
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:18,080
and I'm happy to at a later point. All

2598
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,840
right. What I'd recommend is we get to

2599
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,280
public comment and that we all sit here

2600
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,080
a little bit longer so we can hear

2601
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,639
public comment.

2602
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:23,840
» Yep.

2603
01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:26,560
» Fine. By the way,

2604
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:27,280
» And so u the ground rules for the public

2605
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,400
comments are

2606
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,960
» Ground. Go ahead.

2607
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:34,239
» This um this is the chance for the

2608
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:37,360
public to express their viewpoints. It's

2609
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:40,159
not a dialogue back and forth. After the

2610
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:42,560
public has expressed their comments, we

2611
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:44,400
will take them under advisement. We may

2612
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:47,600
have a discussion afterwards amongst

2613
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:49,119
ourselves but um

2614
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:51,280
» Yep. That's right. So when you come up

2615
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:53,440
to the podium as always say your name

2616
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:55,679
and your address speak into the

2617
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:57,760
microphone or you can come to the table

2618
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:59,840
and you are on a three minute clock and

2619
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:01,679
I will rudely hold you to the three

2620
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:04,159
minutes being respectful of everyone

2621
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:06,239
else. It looks like Miss Trip is first.

2622
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:08,080
» All right.

2623
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:10,159
» All right. We're going to run the clock

2624
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:12,080
» And blue has your clock, but you can say

2625
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:12,800
your name and address before the clock

2626
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,800
starts.

2627
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:16,880
» Okay. My name is Carrie Trip, 400 Park

2628
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,639
Avenue, Lewis. We heard today we didn't

2629
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,480
have the money to replace Burton's water

2630
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:22,880
pipes. It was said the cost of all the

2631
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,360
CIP is about 48 million, but that's

2632
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:27,040
apples to oranges. Maybe you want to

2633
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:30,080
take notes on this. We asked how much

2634
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:32,639
nonPVC versus PVC pipe there is in the

2635
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:36,159
water lines in Lewis. We didn't know. We

2636
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:39,280
do know. GMBB gave us a report in 2024.

2637
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:44,080
It tells us that there are 148,000 plus

2638
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:45,760
nonPVC pipes versus 169,000 PVC pipes. I

2639
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,280
can break that down for you in square

2640
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,639
footage and I can break that down for

2641
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:51,679
you mileage because it was in the

2642
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:53,360
report. So that means that there are

2643
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:57,679
2744

2644
01:46:53,360 --> 01:47:00,960
miles in PV in nonPVC versus 3.2 miles

2645
01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:03,199
in PVC pipe. If we take the cost of just

2646
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:06,159
replacing the water lines, which is all

2647
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:09,040
our community wants, according to the

2648
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:11,920
most recent grant submitted by BPW, it's

2649
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:14,560
about $1,280

2650
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:16,239
times the amount of pipe we have. We're

2651
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:19,679
not talking about a million bucks even

2652
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:22,560
from what I can tell. So,

2653
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:24,480
back to my original comments. Well, we

2654
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,719
appreciate BPW's statement that they

2655
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:28,719
make their decisions based on science.

2656
01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:30,719
We urge them to think about the impact

2657
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:33,360
on our residents as a stronger

2658
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:35,600
criterion. In prior hearings, some of

2659
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:38,960
you dismissed that criterion. But I want

2660
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:42,400
to remind you that research has proven

2661
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:44,560
that by anthropologist, sociologists

2662
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:47,600
that they enrich every subject including

2663
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,600
the subject of medicine. That when we

2664
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,840
look at people's lived experiences,

2665
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:54,239
whether it's patients or otherwise, it

2666
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:56,400
helps to empower disempowered

2667
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:58,719
marginalized communities and groups. and

2668
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:01,440
tackles injustices these individuals

2669
01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:05,119
have faced. In that light, I read a

2670
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:06,880
statement from a native Louison. It

2671
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:09,440
declares, and I will put the original

2672
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:11,280
copy in the record, "My name is Mark Gu.

2673
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:14,800
Many of you know me as Froggy. I was

2674
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:16,480
born in Lewis and lived on 311 Chestnut

2675
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:18,960
Street until I left to serve in the

2676
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:21,679
Vietnam War. When I returned, I was the

2677
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:25,199
second African-American person hired by

2678
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:27,600
the city in 1979. I was assigned to the

2679
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:29,280
city's water and sewer department. At

2680
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:32,000
that time, the Lewis Board of Public

2681
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:33,840
Works just did electricity. My project

2682
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:35,920
was to help the city tear up all the

2683
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:38,560
streets on the townside to inspect and

2684
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:41,440
replace the old metal water pipes and to

2685
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:43,600
install water meters. I was surprised to

2686
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:46,320
learn this week that Park Avenue's water

2687
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:48,639
pipes were not were not plastic and had

2688
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:50,400
not been replaced at that time when so

2689
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:53,360
many other streets had their metal pipes

2690
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:56,159
replaced with plastic state-of-the-art.

2691
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:58,480
Maybe it was because all 18 homes on

2692
01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:00,719
Park Avenue were owned by black people

2693
01:48:58,480 --> 01:49:03,440
and the area of Ship Carpenter had my

2694
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:05,520
aunt and no other homes, just swamp. But

2695
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:07,679
given all the development on Park Avenue

2696
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:09,440
and in Ship Carpenter Square since then,

2697
01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:11,760
certainly these pipes are obsolete and

2698
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:14,080
long in need of replacement. Signed Mark

2699
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,679
Gu. I have the original. Froggy was

2700
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:17,119
surprised to hear that we still had our

2701
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:18,639
hundred-year-old pipes in B.

2702
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:23,080
» Three minutes is up, but you can submit

2703
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:23,080
that comment so we can read it online.

2704
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,800
Just give it to the right. It's fine.

2705
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:32,080
Come forward,

2706
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:35,480
» Brenda. I think you have someone right

2707
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,480
before you.

2708
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:49,280
My name is Elaine Simmerman. I live in

2709
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:51,280
418 West um Forest Street. It's not

2710
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:53,600
clear to me whether you consider that

2711
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:56,320
part of Burton subdivision. I I would

2712
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,920
say we are not a subdivision. We are

2713
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:59,760
nothing. None of our houses have

2714
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,840
anything to do with each other. We are

2715
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:06,159
not a subdivision. We are one of the

2716
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:08,719
oldest and most deprived um communities

2717
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:11,199
neighborhoods in the city of Lewis. And

2718
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:13,760
I think we do deserve more and we have

2719
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:16,639
more individual differences as the

2720
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:20,159
lawyer said and we deserve priority. I'm

2721
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:22,080
talking about Burton subdivision. Um,

2722
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:23,600
when we were first bought the house in

2723
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:27,119
1988,

2724
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:29,040
uh, BPW replaced our entire water pipe

2725
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:32,080
from the house to the road. We didn't

2726
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:36,080
ask for it. We drove in and it had been

2727
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:38,639
a big old burrowed piece of land and it

2728
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:40,880
was because our piping was connected to

2729
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:43,920
our neighbor's house and evidently we

2730
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:47,040
were paying for their water. Um the

2731
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:49,119
mayor uh suggested that the homeowners

2732
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:51,360
be individually involved and come to

2733
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:53,760
your meetings. That is a wonderful idea.

2734
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:55,920
I also think it should be more than just

2735
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:58,880
as a group. I think it would be nice if

2736
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:01,600
somebody would look at my house. It's in

2737
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:03,679
1790 historic house and it's an

2738
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:06,239
individual house. It's not on the lot

2739
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:08,800
correctly. It has it's totally different

2740
01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:10,800
as are every other house in our

2741
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,360
neighborhood. I know one person in front

2742
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:15,760
of me now who built his house in our

2743
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:18,719
neighborhood. We are not a subdivision

2744
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:21,840
and we are really uh needing of a

2745
01:51:18,719 --> 01:51:25,280
priority in this. Not only that, we were

2746
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:27,199
a forgotten uh community for years and

2747
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:30,080
years and years. We had dirt roads. We

2748
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:32,800
had ponding whenever it rained. We had

2749
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:34,960
no sidewalk. We had we were just

2750
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:37,760
forgotten and it was because of race. We

2751
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:39,840
all know that. Right now, let's make

2752
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:43,440
this a priority. and the whole

2753
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:45,840
neighborhood. Um, I do want to say that

2754
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:47,920
we wonder, are you going to pay for this

2755
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:50,400
sidewalk repair due to the trees that

2756
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:52,239
have been We didn't ask for those trees.

2757
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:54,639
All those roots came up and they ruined

2758
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:56,880
our sidewalks. Do we pay for that? Do we

2759
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:59,760
pay for them to be removed? Let us know,

2760
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:02,159
please. Surveys. Don't put them just

2761
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:06,800
online. Not everybody in our community

2762
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:09,599
goes online. This city um uh website is

2763
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:12,000
not easy to maneuver. I don't think that

2764
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:14,480
the average person can figure out how to

2765
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,679
figure out fill out an online thing.

2766
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:17,280
Certainly, we have a wonderful

2767
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:19,040
neighborhood of very bright people, but

2768
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:21,679
there are other people that just don't

2769
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:24,239
have a voice. When you say there's no

2770
01:52:21,679 --> 01:52:26,480
problem in our water quality, guess

2771
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:28,480
what? That's what testing shows. Talk to

2772
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:30,320
the people in in talk to the people in

2773
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:32,639
back of me. Talk to the person I'm

2774
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:34,880
sitting next to me who's is replacing

2775
01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:36,719
for the second time his water system

2776
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:40,639
because everything's black within the

2777
01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:44,080
last two weeks. Um, and also take Amy up

2778
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:46,239
on her offer to write this grant because

2779
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:48,880
she is a professional. She has loads and

2780
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:51,119
loads and loads of experience. It has to

2781
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:53,440
be joint. I, as you know, wrote the

2782
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:57,960
grants for the Over Falls Light. She

2783
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:57,960
knows what she's doing. Thank you.

2784
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,440
» Thank you everybody for hanging. I know

2785
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:07,520
it's been a long time. Please stay and

2786
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:10,159
make comment.

2787
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:12,480
Hi, I'm Brenda Absel. I live at 418 Park

2788
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:15,440
Avenue and I will probably be less than

2789
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:18,400
three minutes. My filter when it goes

2790
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:21,040
in, my filter when it goes out. We have

2791
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:23,280
never said that this issue is about

2792
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:25,920
health. And I hear you looking for

2793
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:28,560
objective data about health data. This

2794
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:32,000
is about iron. As everybody in BPW

2795
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:34,639
knows, iron is not a health regulatory

2796
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,679
issue. This is except for two people in

2797
01:53:34,639 --> 01:53:37,599
our community that have

2798
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:40,239
hemocchromattosis and they know they

2799
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:41,599
have he Thank you. Um know that they

2800
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:43,520
have it and they're taking action so

2801
01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:46,639
that they're not drinking the water. But

2802
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:48,480
for the rest of us, it's about dirty

2803
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:50,239
water. I don't want to put my little

2804
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:52,480
granddaughter in this dirty water and of

2805
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:55,679
her little private parts in this dirty

2806
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:57,679
water. So, we had a $5,000 Sorry, I've

2807
01:53:55,679 --> 01:54:01,760
just left iron all over this table.

2808
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:04,000
$5,000 um plus replacing filters on a

2809
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:05,760
regular basis cost. I know of at least

2810
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:09,280
six people in our community have have

2811
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:11,040
done that and many more who are doing um

2812
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:13,920
bottled water when we all know that that

2813
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:15,760
is not an answer to this problem.

2814
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,000
Two things that I wanted to make sure I

2815
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:20,080
said that I said Sharon has let me know

2816
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:24,159
that there is and I have seen a splash

2817
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:26,239
page on BPW's website about our issue.

2818
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:28,000
Hallelujah. I I think it's a wonderful

2819
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:30,480
thing for you to put it there. I think

2820
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,560
it would be really helpful if that was a

2821
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:35,119
place community members could go and

2822
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:36,800
just have a a response and say, "I am

2823
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:39,440
having trouble with this. I've had to

2824
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:42,000
replace this." Because when I ask people

2825
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:45,199
at our task force meetings, what is your

2826
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:47,040
record on on um community response? They

2827
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:49,360
say, "We don't have a record on a lot of

2828
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:51,520
of community calls." Mainly because

2829
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:54,560
people have given up calling you. And

2830
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:56,960
and like me, I'd be calling every day. I

2831
01:54:54,560 --> 01:55:00,239
mean, this is an everyday long-term

2832
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:02,080
problem. Um,

2833
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:05,599
gosh, there was so much I wanted to say

2834
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:08,080
the SRF. So, in we didn't apply for SRF

2835
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:09,520
last year. No one applied for that. When

2836
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:12,080
we applied for the last one, and I have

2837
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:14,159
a copy of the loan that uh the loan

2838
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:15,679
grant that was applied for, there was no

2839
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:17,920
health component in that one other than

2840
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:19,440
there was some comment about lead, but

2841
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,280
in general, there was no health

2842
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:23,760
component. So, we do not need a health

2843
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:25,840
component to apply for the SRF. It's

2844
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:29,280
inexcusable that we don't apply for this

2845
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:30,639
every single year. When I asked about I

2846
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:33,520
mean I think it's wonderful that the

2847
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:37,679
city uses that um CIP index. When I

2848
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:40,159
asked BPW what they use to determine um

2849
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:43,199
replacement and I was told they use the

2850
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:45,920
expertise of the engineers and and their

2851
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:49,199
board. I said well how about comments

2852
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:51,360
from community? It is not considered. We

2853
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:52,880
need to have subjective data as well as

2854
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:54,719
objective data. And I'm going to stop

2855
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,639
there so everyone else could talk. This

2856
01:55:54,719 --> 01:55:59,199
was another person's water that they

2857
01:55:56,639 --> 01:56:00,639
brought today, but they had to leave.

2858
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:03,800
» Thank you all. Thank you.

2859
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:03,800
» Thank you.

2860
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,560
» Come forward, please.

2861
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:27,880
That wasn't blown at us, was it?

2862
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:27,880
» Just

2863
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:33,920
» My name is Don Ernakovich, 422 West

2864
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:37,440
Fourth Street.

2865
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:39,920
We moved into a new home in 1998.

2866
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:43,040
Excited retirees looking forward to

2867
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:47,360
living in beautiful Lewis.

2868
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:50,719
We have a jacuzzi bathtub

2869
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:53,920
and I took my first bath

2870
01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:59,199
with brown bubbles.

2871
01:56:53,920 --> 01:57:01,199
This has been going on now for 27 years.

2872
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:03,599
I cannot tell you the number of times

2873
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:07,360
we've appealed for help from Board of

2874
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:09,679
Public Works. We had several responses.

2875
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:11,920
Number one, it's on your side of the

2876
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:14,639
curb. It's your problem.

2877
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:18,239
Number two, the line from your main line

2878
01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:20,239
to our house is cast iron. It's not.

2879
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:22,480
It's PVC.

2880
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:25,599
And the most ridiculous response, with

2881
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:29,360
all due respect, is that you must have a

2882
01:57:25,599 --> 01:57:32,560
hole in your water line. If one has a

2883
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:35,199
hole in a pressurized water line, the

2884
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:38,080
water would come out. Dirt would not go

2885
01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:41,440
in.

2886
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:45,360
We have gone through our second

2887
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:48,719
filtration system recently installed

2888
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:51,360
and the woman before me showed you what

2889
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:53,760
our filters look like after a very short

2890
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:57,840
time.

2891
01:57:53,760 --> 01:58:01,199
We had to pay to have every lateral line

2892
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:04,480
in our crawl space replaced because of

2893
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:07,280
the buildup of sediment.

2894
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:10,000
listening to the presentation. I know I

2895
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:11,520
will not be around when the problem is

2896
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,440
solved.

2897
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:15,599
But I leave you with one simple

2898
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:20,000
question.

2899
01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:23,920
Why do we have to pay full rate for

2900
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:26,920
water that we cannot drink or use? Thank

2901
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,920
you.

2902
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:35,760
» Thank you for your comments next. Yes.

2903
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:46,320
Good afternoon. Julie Spettz, 417 Dupont

2904
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:48,159
Avenue in Lewis. Over concerns of the

2905
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:50,239
water quality. We had our water tested

2906
01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:52,960
last year professionally done. It

2907
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:56,159
revealed that we had lead, copper,

2908
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:57,280
sulfates, nitrates in our uh water. As a

2909
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:59,760
result of that, we got a water

2910
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:02,000
filtration system to be able to drink

2911
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:03,760
the water. And I would like to include

2912
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:07,280
the testing results as part of the

2913
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:09,040
public record. Our o octoarian friend

2914
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:10,560
and neighbor George Cole has a personal

2915
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:13,360
story to tell about how this water

2916
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:15,199
crisis has affected him. George has a

2917
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:17,199
doctor's appointment this afternoon and

2918
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:19,040
unfortunately cannot be here to tell his

2919
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:21,920
story. So he asked me to read read it

2920
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:23,679
for public. My name is George Cole. I'm

2921
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:25,599
a resident of the Burton subdivision in

2922
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:26,800
Lewis. Being unable to attend this

2923
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:29,520
meeting, I've asked a neighbor to

2924
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:32,239
present my thoughts. very sorry I cannot

2925
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:33,840
be here to answer questions. It is

2926
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:36,320
commendable that the city of Lewis and

2927
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:37,920
the BPW are jointly working to resolve

2928
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:40,320
an issue that presents something of an

2929
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:42,560
hidden health problem. When there is too

2930
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:45,360
much iron in the human body, the iron is

2931
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:47,119
labeled as a poison. In various tests,

2932
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:48,880
the Veterans Administration found that I

2933
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:51,119
have a genetic health condition known as

2934
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:53,679
hemocro chromatossis.

2935
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:56,400
Other DNA tests have confirmed the

2936
01:59:53,679 --> 01:59:58,239
finding of the VA. Essentially, my body

2937
01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:00,719
retains too much energy which has an

2938
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:03,040
adverse effect on various organs in

2939
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:05,920
particular the tissues of the heart, the

2940
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:07,760
liver, the kidneys and the pancreas.

2941
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:10,159
Thus, I have to monitor both the food I

2942
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:13,199
eat and the water that I drink. A person

2943
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:16,000
cannot be cured of hemocromattosis. They

2944
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:18,400
can only be treated for it. For those

2945
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:20,560
who live in Burton subdivision of Lewis,

2946
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:22,800
the best treatment is iron-free water

2947
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:25,040
delivery pipes. People should not have

2948
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:27,119
to pay for iron contaminated water to be

2949
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,480
delivered to their homes in addition to

2950
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:30,800
paying for filters to remove

2951
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:32,239
contaminants from the water. Looking

2952
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,639
forward to seeing the water pipes

2953
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:38,080
replaced in Burton subdivision.

2954
02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:40,800
And I hope the council and the BPW agree

2955
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:44,679
with us that access to clean water is a

2956
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:44,679
universal human right.

2957
02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:53,679
» Other comments? Yes, come forward

2958
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:55,119
please. And if anybody has online, we

2959
02:00:53,679 --> 02:00:58,360
will get to you as well. Blue, is there

2960
02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:58,360
anyone online?

2961
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,400
There are a good amount. Okay, we'll get

2962
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:05,679
to them when we finish with folks here.

2963
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:07,840
» I I'll be brief. Paparina, the 417 uh

2964
02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:10,840
418 Johnson.

2965
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:10,840
Um

2966
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:16,639
um just one one comment. Um the flushing

2967
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:20,000
that's done monthly that that can't be

2968
02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:21,920
normal, right? And I know I can't ask

2969
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:24,000
questions, but I assume that's not

2970
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:26,800
normal. So, what would happen if the

2971
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:28,880
flushing wasn't done? I assume that it

2972
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:31,360
would just be build up worse and worse

2973
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:33,760
and worse over time. So, we've already

2974
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:35,920
admitted that there's an issue. There's

2975
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:40,840
a serious issue as you can see from some

2976
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:40,840
some of the samples. Um,

2977
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:46,960
so the the other thing is I have a bunch

2978
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:48,480
of comments, but a lot of them have

2979
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:50,560
already been addressed. The other thing

2980
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:53,199
is the streets in Burton need to be

2981
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:56,159
repaved. I mean, all the streets that

2982
02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:58,320
have been dug up with all the pipe pipe

2983
02:01:56,159 --> 02:02:00,800
issues and everything that we've had,

2984
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:02,560
they really they all need to be repaid.

2985
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:04,800
So, while we're in the process of doing

2986
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:06,800
that, wouldn't it make a lot more sense

2987
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:09,119
to do the infrastructure under the

2988
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:11,599
streets instead of repave the streets?

2989
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:15,040
Because I know if we repave the streets,

2990
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:17,199
the pipes will never get done. So, I

2991
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:19,760
this is kind of we just need to to do

2992
02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:23,679
this for a bunch of different reasons.

2993
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:28,560
Um the other the other thing um I want

2994
02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:30,960
to make sure that this is this is in a

2995
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:33,040
plan. This is definitely in a plan, a

2996
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:35,520
fiveyear plan, 10 year plan, two-year

2997
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:37,840
plan, whatever it is, because after

2998
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:40,719
going through all this, if this doesn't

2999
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:42,880
happen now, it's going to be 15, 20

3000
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:45,520
years out before anything probably

3001
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:47,679
happens. And we're really really at risk

3002
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:49,679
a lot of lot more health risk if we wait

3003
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:52,920
that long. That's it. Thanks.

3004
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:52,920
» Thank you.

3005
02:02:54,719 --> 02:02:58,840
» Yes. Yes. Please come forward.

3006
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:11,520
Hi, I'm Tracy Tuscano. I'm at 407 Burton

3007
02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:14,719
Avenue. Um, I'm a full-time resident.

3008
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:18,000
I've been living on Burton Avenue for

3009
02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:20,480
just about seven years. And, uh, last

3010
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:22,800
year we put in a reverse osmosis system

3011
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:25,599
for our drinking water because we are

3012
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:28,960
not able to drink it. And I have a

3013
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:31,280
really tough time with the idea of even

3014
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:32,000
even though it's bad water, wasting

3015
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:33,840
water

3016
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,719
» By running something for 10 to 15

3017
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:39,920
minutes to clear it. Um that's not how I

3018
02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:42,239
was raised. Um and I I don't want to do

3019
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:44,400
that. That doesn't feel right. So I'm

3020
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:48,000
just here with my community and my my

3021
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:50,080
neighbors to voice our u thoughts on

3022
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:53,239
making this a priority. Thank you.

3023
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:53,239
» Thank you.

3024
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:05,679
Hi, good afternoon. Uh, Taylor Cameron,

3025
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:07,679
um, 512 DuPont. Um,

3026
02:04:05,679 --> 02:04:10,960
we are relatively new residence on

3027
02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:14,080
Dupont Avenue. Um, we built our home and

3028
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:20,639
moved in, um, last August, so we've been

3029
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:23,520
here just a year. Um, in that time, um,

3030
02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:26,520
our our bathtubs ruined.

3031
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:26,520
» Um,

3032
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:31,040
our dogs won't drink the water. We won't

3033
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:33,920
drink the water. We we we had to install

3034
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:37,679
a filtration system. And we live right

3035
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:42,080
next to that flusher uh that runs at

3036
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:45,199
6:00 a.m., 12:00 noon, 6 pm, and 12

3037
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:47,360
midnight for 15 minutes at 500 gallons a

3038
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:50,239
minute. It's almost a million gallons a

3039
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:52,239
month.

3040
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:57,239
You're emptying the water tower three

3041
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:57,239
times a month to solve this problem.

3042
02:04:58,639 --> 02:05:03,599
You dug a graveyard at the bottom of a

3043
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:06,880
cliff instead of putting a guardrail at

3044
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:08,239
the top of it.

3045
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:11,480
» That's all I have to say.

3046
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:11,480
» Thank you.

3047
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:18,560
» Anyone else in the audience that would

3048
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:21,599
like to come forward?

3049
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:22,880
» Let me go to those online. And if you

3050
02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:25,199
are online and would like to make a

3051
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:28,400
comment, just raise your virtual hand so

3052
02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:31,119
we can Blue will unmute you.

3053
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:33,280
Yes, Marty Thompson, I see. Let's start.

3054
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:34,639
» Marty, can you hear me?

3055
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:37,040
» We can hear you. Hold a second. We'll

3056
02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:40,480
get ready. Yes. Go ahead, Marty.

3057
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:42,400
» Okay. Um, and I apologize. I'm Marty

3058
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:44,960
Thompson. I'm at three Flamingo Court in

3059
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:47,599
Lewis. I'm also the tree commissioner on

3060
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:49,280
the Parks and Rec Commission. Um, I

3061
02:05:47,599 --> 02:05:51,280
apologize if you went over this before.

3062
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:55,599
or I tuned in late. But as to the Fourth

3063
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:58,080
Street and Park Avenue projects, um as

3064
02:05:55,599 --> 02:06:00,080
you know, there's trees involved uh on

3065
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:02,239
Fourth Street and there's also used to

3066
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:04,639
be trees along Park Avenue. It's a very

3067
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:07,360
hot spot. Um, and I would like to be

3068
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:09,199
able to put trees back there. But when

3069
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:12,080
you talked about having bike pad and

3070
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:13,679
citizens on the committee, I I would

3071
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,520
like to have somebody dealing with the

3072
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:17,520
trees, not only where they are placed

3073
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:20,320
for aesthetic reasons and shade reasons,

3074
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:22,320
but also to make sure that the planting

3075
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:24,400
holes are good planting holes, suitable

3076
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:26,080
for trees. Hopefully not right under the

3077
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:28,080
wires if that can be arranged, but I

3078
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:29,440
don't know if that can be arranged, but

3079
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:31,040
you know, with good soil and drainage

3080
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:35,119
and stuff in the holes so that the trees

3081
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:37,119
can can do well. Um, same thing with the

3082
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:41,599
Railroad Avenue and Monroe Avenue

3083
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:43,599
project. Um, there's there actually is

3084
02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:45,599
some planting space there along Road

3085
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:47,920
Avenue, but we don't have trees there

3086
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:50,239
because this project is coming up and it

3087
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:52,719
would be great if we would end up with

3088
02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:54,639
places to put trees in that area. And

3089
02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:57,119
uh, that's all I have. Thank you.

3090
02:06:54,639 --> 02:07:01,880
» Thank you.

3091
02:06:57,119 --> 02:07:01,880
Anyone else online? Raise your hand.

3092
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:07,840
Last call for online.

3093
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:10,320
Anybody else in the room that would like

3094
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:13,880
to make a comment?

3095
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,880
Yes. Come forward.

3096
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:24,960
Um, my legal name is Betty Krat and I

3097
02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:26,960
live at 410 West

3098
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:29,599
uh 4th Street. And I would just like to

3099
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:31,920
say that I'm not going to repeat what my

3100
02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:34,560
neighbors have said. I just agree with

3101
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:37,920
them and so does my husband. And we've

3102
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:41,360
been here for 20 years. And in 20 years

3103
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:43,520
and we came before that. Uh when we talk

3104
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:45,040
about needs,

3105
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:47,119
one of the gentlemen already said

3106
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:49,520
something about the roads. Those roads

3107
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:51,520
haven't been touched in all the time

3108
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:54,760
we've lived here.

3109
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:54,760
» Thank you.

3110
02:07:58,079 --> 02:08:02,159
Okay, I'm gonna turn it back to no

3111
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:04,159
other. Oh, you have a Have you already

3112
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:05,679
made a comment? If you've already made a

3113
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:07,599
comment, you could submit online. You

3114
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:09,679
can't keep coming back according to the

3115
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:11,440
rules. Um, but that doesn't mean that we

3116
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:14,000
won't accept your written comment. So,

3117
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:15,840
please send that in. You get one bite at

3118
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:19,360
the apple in that public comment period,

3119
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:21,040
unfortunately. Okay?

3120
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:22,719
» And you don't ask questions in a public

3121
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:25,040
comment because you are we are

3122
02:08:22,719 --> 02:08:26,719
listening. Okay, that doesn't mean I

3123
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:28,800
mean I'm taking very detailed notes. I

3124
02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:30,560
know my others colleagues are too, but

3125
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:32,320
it's not a back and forth. That's what a

3126
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:34,639
workshop is, which is why we're going to

3127
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:36,960
have workshops. Okay, so comments. Let

3128
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:38,960
me start with BPW. Any comments that you

3129
02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:40,800
would like to leave all of us with?

3130
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:43,840
» The first one and just in general

3131
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:46,639
response is that you, you know, you've

3132
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:49,599
said this many times before, we're

3133
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:51,280
paying for the sins of the past.

3134
02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:53,280
Should we ever have gotten to this

3135
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:56,480
point? No.

3136
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,639
But we're not alone. Bridges are falling

3137
02:08:56,480 --> 02:09:01,040
down. I mean, you know, the

3138
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:03,920
infrastructure of the country is really

3139
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:06,480
in deplorable shape. And now we're

3140
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:09,920
trying to make up for it. And we're

3141
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:12,560
you've got, you know, 30 $40 million

3142
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:15,199
capital budget plans

3143
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:17,040
to try to

3144
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:20,800
bring everything up to where it should

3145
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:24,560
be. This is not the way I was trained as

3146
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:26,880
an engineer to be to be reactive.

3147
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:30,239
It's about being proactive.

3148
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:33,679
But once again,

3149
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:35,679
with a hundred $200 million worth of

3150
02:09:33,679 --> 02:09:39,119
capital projects,

3151
02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:41,599
it can't be done in 10 years. And I hear

3152
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:44,320
what everyone is saying. I would not

3153
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:47,599
want the dirty water in my house.

3154
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:49,840
Although I get it sometimes, but you

3155
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:51,920
know,

3156
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:55,119
I'm not sure. We're trying to balance

3157
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:59,079
both sides here on that. Anything else

3158
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:59,079
from the BPW side?

3159
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:06,400
» And Robin, anything from us? Nope. Okay.

3160
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:09,360
from the city side.

3161
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:11,440
» I would just like to close by saying

3162
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:13,280
that,

3163
02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:15,760
you know,

3164
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:17,280
a lot of times we think of things as not

3165
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:19,440
possible.

3166
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:23,280
I think we all have to have the attitude

3167
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:25,440
that we can do this. Um, we can do this.

3168
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:27,440
It's just a matter of making it happen.

3169
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:29,920
We can make this happen. We've got to

3170
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:31,679
believe it. And I think we will make

3171
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:34,159
this happen. We've just got to make the

3172
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:36,719
plans and come to these meetings. And I

3173
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:38,639
think this communication is wonderful

3174
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:40,719
that we're having right now. It's it's

3175
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:43,360
hard sometimes to have these kinds of

3176
02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:45,679
conversations. But that's how you start

3177
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:48,159
developing a plan that can make things

3178
02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:50,320
happen. So I really think today was very

3179
02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:53,360
valuable. And whoever thought of these

3180
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:55,599
meetings and these joint meetings, kudos

3181
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:57,360
from me.

3182
02:10:55,599 --> 02:11:00,159
» That's Councilman Ritzard first thought

3183
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:00,639
of this idea. Maybe someone else on BPW

3184
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:03,440
too.

3185
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:05,360
» This was resulting

3186
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:07,599
the dispute we had years ago.

3187
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:10,000
» Oh, so it came out of that. So the you

3188
02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:12,560
know I think Presley was president at

3189
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:14,000
the time

3190
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:14,880
» Chair

3191
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,400
» Comments

3192
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:18,159
» And uh Ped was

3193
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:20,320
» And as mayor

3194
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:23,520
» I just wanted to say that I appreciate

3195
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:26,239
the comments of everyone who came

3196
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:30,560
forward and those who may not have but

3197
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:34,560
still have feelings about uh the water

3198
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:37,280
that they're drinking and bathing in um

3199
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:40,639
from the Burton subdivision. vision uh

3200
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:43,199
area as a resident of that same area

3201
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:44,800
who's been here all of my life. So, I

3202
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:48,320
appreciate the comments that you have

3203
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:50,000
made. Thank you.

3204
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:54,159
» I just want to say thank you all for

3205
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:56,480
coming and uh making your your views

3206
02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:58,880
known once again. Thank you,

3207
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:00,960
» Deandrew. Uh let me close with a few

3208
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:02,960
comments. I love to write grants. All

3209
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:05,040
right. I'm the crazy I'm your crazy

3210
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:06,880
mayor who likes to write grants and I

3211
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:09,360
like to write grants based on stories

3212
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:12,320
because I believe regulators will always

3213
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:14,880
get data everywhere but it's when we can

3214
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:17,520
make them feel what it's like that we

3215
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:20,239
win. So I will personally commit to work

3216
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:23,040
with BPW and my colleagues on the city

3217
02:12:20,239 --> 02:12:25,199
uh that we will uh be applying for an

3218
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:27,040
SRF grant. What I would ask of the

3219
02:12:25,199 --> 02:12:29,280
public listening to these very important

3220
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:32,159
and impactful stories is keep good

3221
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:34,880
records because when we start the grant

3222
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:37,040
process um I will come out for stories.

3223
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:39,040
So you'll so keep these stories that I'm

3224
02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:42,000
hearing and have heard in the past

3225
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:46,000
because they add to the flavor of a

3226
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:47,840
grant application. I'd also say that um

3227
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:50,560
there has been deferred maintenance

3228
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:54,159
related to I'm just saying the city side

3229
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:58,320
which our council has um rectified with

3230
02:12:54,159 --> 02:13:00,400
a $ 1.7 million budget for FY26 to start

3231
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:02,639
working on the roads. However, I want to

3232
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:05,199
share the comment that as much as we

3233
02:13:02,639 --> 02:13:06,960
need to do mill and overlay, if we are

3234
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:08,719
going to dig up a road, then it's just a

3235
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:10,719
waste of taxpayer dollars to do mill and

3236
02:13:08,719 --> 02:13:12,079
overlay. So, we have to do that

3237
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:15,040
coordinated. That's why you see these

3238
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:18,000
bodies together that um but it could be

3239
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:21,520
that some neighborhoods wouldn't be

3240
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:24,000
ready for road really a lot of activity

3241
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:26,239
with BPW for years. Well, then you do

3242
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:28,560
mill and overlay because it's a band-aid

3243
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:30,800
until you get there. So, I've built

3244
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:33,280
roads. I I'm not an engineer, but I have

3245
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:35,679
built roads. I've built water um and

3246
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:38,079
even a small package treatment plant.

3247
02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:40,239
I'm very well aware of this issue. I

3248
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:44,400
don't know, as Tom said, I don't know

3249
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:46,480
what happened here in the past, but it's

3250
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:48,000
not going to continue. So, you have my

3251
02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:49,599
word, and I think you heard it from all

3252
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:51,920
of us. We're going to solve this

3253
02:13:49,599 --> 02:13:53,599
problem.

3254
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,880
» Thank you for Thank you for coming out.

3255
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:56,239
Thank you for being patient. We are

3256
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:57,440
changing our agenda next time. There'll

3257
02:13:56,239 --> 02:13:58,880
be public comment at the beginning and

3258
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:00,719
public at the end. Thank you for being

3259
02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:02,880
patient to understand the process as

3260
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:04,639
well and for all of the time you put in.

3261
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:06,639
And thanks to all our colleagues.

3262
02:14:04,639 --> 02:14:09,199
» Thank you. Okay. So the uh I need a

3263
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:11,520
motion to end the workshop.

3264
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:12,560
» I'll move that we end to adjurnn.

3265
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:13,679
» Motion to adjurnn.

3266
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:14,639
» So move.

3267
02:14:13,679 --> 02:14:18,679
» I'll second.

3268
02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:18,679
» Second from our side. Terrific.