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Welcome everyone.
We call this meeting to order. We'll

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begin by standing and

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United States of America

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Day here.
>> Commissioner Hewitt

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» here.
>> Commissioner Robertson

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» here.
>> Commissioner Shaver

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» here.
>> Commissioner Warren

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» here.
>> Thank you.

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» And tonight we have a special agenda.
It's item number one is discussion

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action on approving resolution number
4232

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of resolution relating to adopting a
preliminary budget and providing a date

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for public hearing the adoption thereof
in the fiscal year beginning July 1st

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126 and ending July 30th 2027
and turning time over to city manager

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Holly.
>> Yep. Um, so tonight we passed out uh the

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most up-to-date expenditures, revenues,
which are the blue, and the gold sheet

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is our one sheeter. Um, we'll start with
the blue, which is our revenue. Um, and

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I will
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want to just look at the one sheeter
first.

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So, we kind of review that because you
guys have not seen that at all. Do you

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want to give them an update on taxes up?
Oh, yes. I can give you an update on

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taxes.
>> What I'd like to know first and

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foremost,
>> we've received

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everything

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as of June 30th.
I think there is

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they owe me a lot more.
I have not had because I'm still getting

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I just got my final report today. So, I
have not had time to balance it. balance

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to their number. So, I'll do that
tomorrow. But when I look at what I

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posted and what I still have sitting out
there, it looks like they still owe me

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in taxes the general fund side about
2003 300,000,

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» which is significantly more than
previous year.

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» Yes. Um, we do know in talking with some
of the other taxing jurisdictions that

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typically the treasurer would send out
like late notices in June saying, you

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know, you have another month to get
caught up. That didn't happen until

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July. Um, so
>> and we're saying these are notices to

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the public, right?
>> To the taxpayers. And so they that could

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attribute to a higher than normal
delinquency.

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I've only had this happen one other time
in all the years I've been here and it

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was with the utility protest.
I don't know if there's a lot of that

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too. I know there is on the Ted side.
I don't know. I'm having a very

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difficult time getting comfortable.
>> You said Ted side.

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» And we know that there was a large pro.
you know there was

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» there was okay
>> um we don't know who but we were told

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that

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» so that brings the city's general fund
into a better picture right now

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» um right now your one sher will show you
if we approve the budget as presented

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tonight with the revenue
>> um proposed it's total general fund tax

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or expenditures
The remaining cash is 263,000.

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So it's in a positive manner and we have
cut everything.

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» Yes. This is an extremely lean budget.
When you say you cut everything, what is

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the everything?
>> There's no extra money to go into our

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capital improvement for future.
>> Okay.

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» There's no extra money to do any
building maintenance this year.

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» Okay.
>> There's no extra money. building

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maintenance across the city or just at
the city office or what

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» mostly there but
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» um
water and sewer and streets are

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different things so I'm just talking
about general

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» um any of the accounts that had you know
we're looking to buy computers or

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» special project
>> special project or anything they were

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cut
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» um
condensed down

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you know our Biggest thing right now is
we still have a union negotiation in

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place.
>> Um we have had some expenditure

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increases in uh
contract services maintenance contract

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in my budget.
>> Okay.

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» Um
but on the flip side of that, we did

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have an increase to an attorney. We're
trying to get an attorney and then um a

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planner is budgeted in there, but we
didn't have a lot spent last year

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anyway. So, you know, there isn't a lot
of difference there.

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» We have contract legal um
>> a lot of contract legal.

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» We also have included
>> it's included in the budget

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» in addition to an attorney.
>> Yeah.

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Um, we have things like double payments
on the court because we didn't pay for

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last year, things like that. So, that
covers all of our obligations.

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» Um, all of our wages, um, you know, so
obligations being like the police car

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and some of that stuff that we've
already offered.

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» Where would the judge?
>> Um, we'll get to it when we get there on

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the green.
>> She was

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» Hold on. What's your question? Well, in
case we have to do something different

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or the judge
>> at this point, that is not in there.

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» Oh.
>> So, at this point, if we were I mean,

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there's 135,000 in there because we owe
that to the we owe that to the court.

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Now, something changes, of course, we'd
have that money because we would not pay

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that. But at that point, if we are in
that position, we're going to need to

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come back and do a budget amendment to
look at. So, right now, no, there would

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not be any money for that.
Now, is this man two or is this our

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» I'm talking about man.
>> Man, well, you're talking if we had to

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go to our own court.
>> Oh, right now we're with man to

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» go with status quo. Yeah.
>> With the budget as it fits.

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» But I did not put anything in there. We
had to go about our own

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» and all departments are aware of what's
going to probably happen.

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» Yes. I

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was just

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» That's the biggest one there. The rest
look okay. Um we have reviewed

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everything to make sure that we are in
compliance and I will double check again

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with our budget exception that we had in
the previous off.

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» And so that is will you explain you
cannot have more than half cash

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remaining than you have in expenditures.
So, if you go down, we'll just look at

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um cemetery improvements down at the way
bottom.

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» I have to budget. I can't have more than
4 thou 400,000

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or any more than 200,000 on my cash
remaining to be compliant.

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» So, that's why I budgeted 400,000. We
are not expected in that

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that money's for when

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to be compliant with law happen
in like the capital improvement program

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a lot of those depreciation.

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» Okay.
>> Um so general fund I mean that is as

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lean as we could possibly get it. Uh we
did put uh a proposal in for the police

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department um pro something that I feel
that they will

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probably take. I mean it's very close to
what um they had asked for originally

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» and that's the union negotiation which
has not been completely confirmed yet

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but it's very close.
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» what does it include? Does that include
a pay raise?

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» Yeah. of
>> um it varies depending on the position

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from about a six to seven down to three
or four. Yes.

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» 50% pay raise for

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» um any other questions that we can if
you there's any areas you want a deeper

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dive we can definitely then go into
expenditures and revenues. uh civic

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center recreation programs

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» structurally on this sheet
>> using the very first one 1000 general

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» the proposed expenditure there is 5
million220

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how we know how much of that is actually

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versus can't keep you we can't keep
excess

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» um so most of that is all in money that
we actually spend. So you would be able

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to see it on your green sheet. Those are
the uh expenditures for the general

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fund. And I think basically the general
fund's going to take this

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through page

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again in reference to your question.
Um, I have not talked to Holly about

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this, but from a financial standpoint, I
am going to ask her

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to put a freeze
on any capital expenditures

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with the exception of what we've
obligated. You know, if the car comes

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in, we're going to pay for that. We need
a car, you know, that kind of thing. I

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did not budget for another car. Um, but
I am going to ask that we until we see

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where our taxes are that we button down
>> kind of what we did or what we approved

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last week for.

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» Um, so there is, you know, some building
maintenance. Um,

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you know, the fire department, I think
Jimmy probably talked to us about

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helmets and wildland gear and stuff like
that. So capital type improvements we

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ask most of our departments to hold off
until after January kind of that March

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timeline before they expend those large
expenditure capital

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» that was like
that was that time of year.

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» Yes. But I'm also I'm also going to ask
for any anything small. I mean computers

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um their helmets unless the helmet's
destroyed. I don't think we should. I

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think we really need to
just pay what we got to pay.

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» When you say you're going to ask, you're
talking about the department.

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» I'm going to ask her.
>> Okay.

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» From being I'm the finance officer. Once
we get you guys approve everything,

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that's what I'm going to do. I'm going
to go talk to her. up in the capital

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percentages you're talking about
>> in capitalized purchases are typically

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over 5,000

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» and I don't know how to answer your
question Tim

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» is is it equal

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but in future years not this year we
could have a sheet similar to this that

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would be actual
proposed revenues and actual

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expected expenditures versus budgeted
expenditures. Not what the state wants,

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but what as managers of the community we
see, hey, we're in great shape or boy,

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we've got a major shortfall. We're
borrowing our savings.

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» That's what I can't tell from this
budget.

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» Well, and I and I know what you're I
understand. I just don't

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» It's not really a budget. is an
expenditure

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» detail
>> detail but it's not really a budget

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because a budget would show in out plus
or minus in the red column right we're

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making it or losing money
>> we're spending beyond

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» but that but that's on you know that's
on the private side not on the

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government side
government side at the end of the day if

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I pull a dollar out of my wallet and
it's empty I just spent all I have

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pull a dollar out of our revenues Can we
spend it all? We have no more savings. I

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can't tell from this how much of our
savings account we're going to burn

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through this year. How upside down are
we? Revenue to expenditure for the year.

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That's what I
critical of what you're doing. I'm just

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simply saying this doesn't really tell
us based on our income, what will our

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expenditures be? How much are we
borrowing from past or other accounts?

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And I know it's I'm making it much
simpler than it is. Much much simpler

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than it is. So Deb, when you quote this,
be careful because

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» she'll listen to this. But when you
quote it, be careful because I'm not

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trying to be critical. I'm trying to
say, can we look at something that shows

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us a flow term?
>> It might be a couple of things.

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I could
I have to think about a little bit, but

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I could put something together like this
just using our Indian number from last

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year.
>> So, a cash balance.

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» I wouldn't be able to use a cash balance
necessarily,

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but I can see if I can make it work that
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» You had another column in here
that that simply said how much of the

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this $400,000 cemetery improvement.
>> Uhhuh. Right.

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Is is that really going to expend or is
that not going to expand?

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» None of it is. So my hand
>> column that says

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» legally required budget allocation could
be the column

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» which is what this is what that 400,000
is.

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» Could you
but hold on let me make the money that's

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at 8010 in the cemetery can't be used up
in the general fund. No, I'm not

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suggesting
>> the fun.

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» I just want to understand,
you know, I really want to understand

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the budgeting of what's going to go
where.

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» Well, it's kind of a cash flow. Like we
our cash flow is weird, right? Like we

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get our May taxes that come in and then
we don't really see a whole lot of

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revenue, especially in the general fund,
until we get our November taxes done

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again.
And so it's kind of like a percent like

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where we're at in both revenue and
expenditures too, right?

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Like what you've actually got compared
to what you put looking at this one

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sheet.
Could you watch

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cash available from the previous year?
So if I had last year's one sheet

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» and this column that's saying cash
available. So am I right in assuming

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that's kind of the snapshot of the
general fund right now

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» today? Yes.
>> Today.

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» So I mean I have my cash balance with
the exception of the mess with the past.

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» Yeah. So that's what that would be.
>> So basically that's what that's taking a

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snapshot view of what that account is
>> or the general fund

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» on the general fund. If you had last
year's one cheater,

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» could you see would that offer
information to where we sit currently?

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» Not with last year's numbers, I don't
think.

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» Yeah.
>> You can see if it goes up or down.

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» It's not a trend.
>> It would be a trend.

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» Exactly. So
>> taking the snaps out view is hard in any

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kind of
>> unfortunately with us. Yes.

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» But that could be a way of watching a
trend of going up and that cash

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remaining
>> increasing or that cash remaining going

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down.
>> But I think that Commissioner Robertson

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is also asking okay we budgeted 1
million in taxes. Mhm.

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» What is and we're going to get that 1
million because the receivable from the

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taxpayers of that 1 million what is
actually going to be spent?

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» Yep.
>> So I could say salaries for police

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how much are we actually from prior
budget cycles? How much are we not spend

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this budget cycle?
>> I understand it's more complicated than

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a six column or a five column budget. I
get that. But there's got to be a way to

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present it where we kind of get a sense
of

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where we be and then

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in in the private world we also then say
okay show me your capex budget just

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capex items and then I could say to you
if I was the CEO of the day you're not

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spending anything for the next two
months on any capex items or you could

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allocate capex and that's what you're
talking Well,

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» without it delineated,
>> it's hard.

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It's really hard for us as commissioners
to look at you guys and say, "Hey,

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Ali, we think you should stop all
Catholics spending over $100,000 for the

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next six months, freeze it, save your
money,

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» right?"
>> You know, that kind of thing. It's just

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hard to do and it's buried in here.
>> Yeah. Well, I'm in the bar chart of

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accounting. Anything 900 is a capital,
>> but you'd also have to go through each

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separate, you know, you're

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I understand.

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» Objection. Objective.
>> Oh, I understand completely. It's a very

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good question. I and I thought about it
and I just haven't got the

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I've tried a couple different things and
it just look

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but it's definitely something I will
work on.

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And then of course in our budget we have
large one-time purchases um grant

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expenditures those sort of things. So in
the general funds um you know we have

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our downtown master plan the library p
our pro housing money is in there in the

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general fund
>> it's in 2943 the planning fund because

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it'll be a CDBG project.
>> Okay and that's the pro housing

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» I was wondering about that one. No, no,
no, no. Pro housing is in the general

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fund. The downtown master plan and the
library master plan are in the 2943.

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» Okay. So, that's two different C10 L and
those are in 2943.

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» Okay.
>> 50,000 each.

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» Um, you know, we tal have talked a lot
about uh the cleaning up of the old

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dump. uh back also in a grant. Uh it is
>> 285.

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And so right now we don't intend on
spending that money. We bought all that

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revenue or authorized to expend all of
that money. Uh but they don't have the

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capacity to get it done this next year.
We did still budget for it though.

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» That's the DNRC one.
>> That's a DNR. Yeah. It's a cleanup grant

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for DNS.

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» The 3401 is the new one, isn't it?
Is that the one we got from the

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» No, that one it is. It looks new, but
that's the one that we got the reserves

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for.
>> So, that's your available cash is our

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reserve,
>> which would be a payment amount. Mhm.

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» So, I'm hoping that I will check with
the state that that'll be acceptable

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because
>> it's at 50%. Right at 50%.

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» And that I'm hoping that we would never
have to use it and that money would sit

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there.
>> Yes.

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» What's
402?

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That's you know capital improvement
program.

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» Um that's a capital improvement program
strictly for my building over there.

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» Um anytime that we had extra cash at the
end of the year

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» we put 100 to 200,000 in there.
>> So you know if we needed a new roof um

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tornado
>> expansion whatever we do have money to

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do that.

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I think I might be harping on kind of
what Tim's talking about, but um if we

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the 12 12.6 million cash available right
now,

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» where did that come from?
>> Last year's budget leftover funds.

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» No, it's the end. It was was the cash
available and all the funds on June

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30th.
>> So, it's basically taking a snapshot.

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» So, half of our budget is still in cash
right now.

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But you but but you've got to look at
that though one you know the higher ones

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tax increment street maintenance
the reason that one we still got another

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half to our project you know our project
went from last year to this year now. So

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we'll have another million coming out of
there. Um gas tax this big project

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there's we're going to take money out of
there too. Um, and then water and sewer,

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they're on a receivable basis.

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» I just say it's going to catch up to it
someday though, isn't it? Is that kind

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of what you're talking about? I mean, if
we got 12 million in cash and by the end

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of the year, cash may only be four
million and then we do that again next

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year.
>> No, it won't actually.

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» No.
>> Yeah. No, because we're not going to

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spend all that
>> because we can't

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» because what's in proposal expend
>> right

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» it has to be a whole bunch of it has to
be allocated as though it would get

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spent but it won't be spent because
those projects are going

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» well but also in accordance with state
law.

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» Yeah.
>> So this year we're going to levy or $13

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million for tax. We're going to charge a
tax period for 13.6 million. No,

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» we're going to charge them
>> we're going to charge them 1,700,000.

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» Yes. The very
>> When you're looking at this, this is

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every single fund. The only one that'll
be taxes will be 20,000.

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» When I see when I talk about government
revenue, it's all taxes,

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» right?
>> But it's not.

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» Yeah. Where else did that come from?
>> Uh fees,

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» state entitlement. That's a tax people
paying

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» what?
>> I don't want to give a whole lot of

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structure, but
>> we're dealing with taxpayers money. It's

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a a fee is a tax. A government fee is a
tax.

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» You look at the library trust that was a
donation that was not a tax.

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» So there are multiple
>> that is not tax

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» the sale of cemetery plot. I mean it's
all

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I mean a very small portion of it is
what we tax it.

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» Some of them are sib and kind of things
like that where those local communities

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or the neighborhoods voted to have
>> uh sewer or curb and gutter. Yep.

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» And so they voted and they said hey we
want this and so now we have an account

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that basically we run make that pay.
>> That's good. So that would be like your

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» the 361
>> Riverdale

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and 10
>> and those would be those are specific

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for those districts like we
>> they're not additional

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» they're on here
>> they are

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» they are 2310 and 2320 at the top and
those are only in those districts

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» I was looking alphabetic
it's all numerical by my

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I mean the court finds I mean all of
that is contributing to your general

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fund revenue.
>> What is home?

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» Okay. I was going to say who's home.
>> Is that the one with the first time home

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buyers? I think it was the first time
home buyers. Some of these are still

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from so long ago. I don't necessarily
know. I'm sorry.

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There any other questions? You know, the
fees we charge to the pool or

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memberships at the civic center, uh,
camping permit at East Fork, all of

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those are part of your general fund as
well.

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You hold a fun for the watershed. Do you
hold that? What is that?

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» It was a grant.
>> Which one is it?

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» Sorry.
>> 2860.

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» 2860. You're This is what the story was
told to be many, many, many, many, many

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years.
>> So, this is an old one, too.

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» Yeah. This is really old. And when it
runs out of money, we'll have to start

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charging the water department. But
something was set up with East Dam back

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in the day. And whatever got set up,
>> it could be

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and the electricity and the capital
credits, all that retired

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» and so they've sent them to the city and
then the city has been paying the

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electric bills for Eastport out of it.
>> So that's where that's paid from right

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now until we run out of money because
there won't be any more money coming in.

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No,
>> but it had to be specific to esports. So

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it's still on its own.
Yeah. where we have the lease money from

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the peace.
>> The the lease money goes into

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the general fund
um to help with our camping area and our

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recreation area out in all of the money
basically generated at Eastport. get

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back to these

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um in the tip revenue or in the general
fund revenue is the tip grant for the

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parking lots as well. Um,
also the expenditure for the piping wall

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came out of that general fund.
>> Is that considered a capital project? A

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long project?

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That's why we're going to get reimbursed
halfway right away.

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» So, we didn't want to miss that
opportunity either.

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And that's where you know with capital
permits we like I said if a the car

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comes in we need if the firemen lose all
their turnout.

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» Well and the same could be said for
those depreciation accounts. If if the

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roof blows off you need
>> boiler breaks.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. The library has a flood. Yeah.

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» Exactly.
>> Yeah. No, that and those would take

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priority priority over a computer or a
trimmer or a lawnmower.

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» You come in with a heavy hit. We'll come
in and hand pick these I guess.

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So the the bottom line of this green
sheet with 22,132

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» that's also the same or should be pretty
close to the same as the

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» proposing spending.
>> Yep.

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» It might be a rounding.
>> Well, it's a rounding thing receivables.

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Um I have to hand the one sheet I hand
enter.

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» This is really this.
>> Yeah, it's this and it's combining the

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green and the blue into one. Is that the
revenue?

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» Yeah, like I said,
>> there might be some

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fat finger and then there are some
receivables that I do, you know,

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» already received.
>> I've already received but how our system

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does it?

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Any other specific questions or anything
that you guys want a deeper dive on?

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the
Senate bill stuff that we looked at in

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late May, early June, somewhere in
there,

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that went in effect July one, right? So,
we won't see the difference

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because the tax base is going to change,
right? So, in our certified values, it

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went into effect this year. The new
property tax stuff, the tax bill, people

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have not seen it on their tax bill. So,
we won't see that in revenue until

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November.
>> November.

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and we have a pretty strong idea of what
we know we're we're gonna get

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» because we know what we're supposed to
get.

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» I turned my all my stuff I turned over
to the league, the gal of the league

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that doesn't and she doubled triple
checked it.

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» Okay.
>> Used it as an example for all the

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community. So I think we're hoping
>> hoping my numbers are good. Now from

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there that's my work.
>> Okay,

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that's coming down there.

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passing it up whichever way you look at
it.

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» So
this year we were kind of in a position

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where we were paying the signature we
were contracting out a lot of services.

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» Um very little was contracted out. Um,
we had Martin doing some private for us

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and we had someone else doing some HR
for us,

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» but during that time we were not paying
Tyler. I mean, what we were paying Tyler

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was minimal.
>> He's paid outly just his hours that he

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worked at the court. So, if he worked
two hours in a week, that's all they got

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paid for.
>> Nothing else.

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» And he gets paid out multiple times.
Correct.

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So, it's hard to be like This is what we
spent on wages for that position. Um,

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Nick, you would I be able to do a
payroll register? It's going to be very

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difficult to see it in the
>> but if you needed it either.

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» Okay.
>> Uh,

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seems to be prudent to have a city
attorney. Do we have

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» that? It's posted and it's included.
>> Okay. So what's budgeted for that is a

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full planet.

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Okie dokie.

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So we cut

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» So we cut $2 million off the budget from
last year offers.

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We spent 24 million50 last year. And if
you were to spend 22 million

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» well when you're looking at the bottom
line, you're taking into consideration

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both water and sewer. And water and
sewer both had huge projects.

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They had both had a million2 million
dollar project.

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» Okay.
>> So they would not be in this year. They

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were last year and they finished last
year. So none of that expense would

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carry.
>> I want to give her votes first year.

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» We're lowering the budget.

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decline
decrease in the general

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fund
budget from 54 38 5.22 Right.

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» Expenditures are total
>> expenditures if

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page seven sheet page
>> last year is 5.389.

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» Yeah.
>> This year 5.220

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» is what we're budgeting. Yeah.
>> We're budgeting a decrease in spending

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of $1689,000.

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And you can see historically work.
>> I'm not trying to be a pessimist here.

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But how can that be possible? Well,
because of those big projects. I mean, I

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mean, when this is just general,
>> they didn't put as much.

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» We did cut, but we also had one big
project that we general.

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» Yeah. The slipper when we did all the
sidewalks and the backup generator,

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stuff like that. But you know, we got
reimbursed for all but 25% of that.

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» So,
>> I'm impressed when the rest of us are

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paying 10 or 20% more for everything in
life.

432
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,480
» Yeah, that's if this didn't go up.
That's pretty

433
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,920
» That's what I'm doing.
>> You didn't do my budget.

434
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,760
» Well, we just try to unfortunately with
the tax situation the way it is, we just

435
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:12,480
we only get the increase this year with
50,000 that that doesn't even pay. it'll

436
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:18,960
pay for doesn't need paper,
>> let alone the like

437
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:22,640
» negotiated raises and um I mean the over
time some of that

438
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:29,440
» or anything that we'd have to pay if
it's an officer or a fireman to get that

439
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:34,359
suited up your training and all that.
So unfortunately it's our tax system.

440
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:47,119
Well, again, because of the tax
situation and the lack of confidence we

441
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:54,079
have in our numbers
>> and or when we may get the money, the

442
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:59,520
rest of our monies, um, we are proposing
a very lean budget like I don't think we

443
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:06,800
could cut it anymore
without the certainty of numbers.

444
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:11,599
Should we be prepared to understand or
review budget amendments if necessary?

445
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,880
» We don't year.
>> We will have a budget amendment and for

446
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:18,960
last year.
>> Yes. But um auditors are coming in to

447
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:21,680
close off my year.
>> When are they?

448
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,760
» Well, they're coming just to do my year
end stuff

449
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,839
» in a couple weeks.
>> Okay. And so I'm hoping that when they

450
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:33,839
come in, they will take some time for
task

451
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:39,200
and look it over and, you know, see what
they think cuz how I'm reading it, I

452
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:44,000
don't think I got my money when I should
have got my money, but there there's

453
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:48,880
nothing I can I'm doing the best I feel
I can

454
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:55,800
with what with what I can. And there are
other entities currently that are

455
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:55,800
experiencing very similar.

456
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:00,359
Okay.

457
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:15,839
Would it be helpful if we get you the
ones from previous years?

458
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:21,119
You should still have at one point, but
nice costume.

459
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:26,240
Yeah, but then you can see I mean what
we actually spent

460
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:29,119
» versus what we had proposed and you can
start kind of

461
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,800
» getting those trends and patterns
>> start to see the trajectory of the cash

462
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:39,119
remaining
which is trending up or trending down

463
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:42,720
» the shirt's trending down
I think

464
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:47,280
» I think it all unfortunately because of
cost of everything else whether it's

465
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:51,560
employees or goods
Everything's done. Yes.

466
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:11,280
» Well, I know it hasn't been an easy six
months with money. So, I appreciate uh

467
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:15,720
your time and care that you take sharing
these information with with us.

468
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:23,520
So where do you see that like change or
improvement that needs to happen for

469
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:26,800
revenues? Is there really nothing that
can shift down to

470
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,760
» meaning
to get those to increase

471
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:35,920
» at the for taxes as of the legislature?
So that's pretty much it

472
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:41,280
» for the general
>> now.

473
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:47,599
If we if we went out and sought out more
granting opportunities that increases

474
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:53,760
your revenue, but it's going to kind of
pigeon hole the funding that it can go

475
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:58,160
into it will for one specific thing.
>> But is that is that something that would

476
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:02,720
be helpful or no? Or
>> it depends. I mean we specific project

477
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:08,880
is helpful
>> like the TIFF approved parking lot

478
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:14,240
project
>> that could be something that

479
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:19,520
if there were granting opportunities
available

480
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:23,440
that help
off of the general fund

481
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:28,400
more
>> do they have people that chase grant or

482
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:30,640
like professional grant t-shirts again.
>> I don't know what they're called. Yeah.

483
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,440
» Do they have them?
>> I thought they did.

484
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,040
» Would it be worth the city and the
county to go in on one together or

485
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:43,440
» not even so long?
>> I will be really honest with you. Grants

486
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:48,400
are a nightmare. Many of them are a
nightmare. Right now, the state is

487
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:52,319
changing employees left and right. And
who you talked to two weeks ago is no

488
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:57,359
longer available.
and they change what they you're

489
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:02,079
expected to submit on a regular basis
until the state gets ironed out a little

490
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,079
bit
>> if

491
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,359
there are

492
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,400
well
conversation.

493
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,000
» Oh yeah, definitely.
>> I mean, one of the successes is the

494
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:23,920
sewer fund. You know, we've worked hard
to get in a good position with sewer. Uh

495
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,240
this year we were actually this cycle uh
we actually set aside a million dollars

496
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:30,560
to help with the bioolids project
because we had the money available.

497
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,760
» Yeah.
>> Uh so while we're also whittling away on

498
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,359
aging equipment and things like that,
we're actually able to do those

499
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:45,280
improvement projects.
So rather than go out for a loan for $3

500
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:50,079
million, we can actually offset it
because we'll have some available cash

501
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:54,720
and sewer and water enterprise funds. So
we get to define a fee

502
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:59,040
» there. So that's another
>> structure that you can increase your

503
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,359
revenue from. Of course you don't want
to.

504
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:08,160
» Yeah.
>> And again it's it's uh

505
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:12,240
uh not applicable across multiple.
>> No. But for the sewer fund. So then the

506
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:17,359
people that are using the sewer are
paying for the use of the sewer.

507
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:22,640
» Yeah. And again, we have to keep our
fees in line with, you know, we can't

508
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:27,359
undercut what we're charging people and
be competitive with grants either. You

509
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:33,240
have to be within kind of the middle
range to be competitive with grants as

510
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,240
well. So,

511
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:47,560
we do have a lot of I mean, grants and
opportunities for infrastructure. uh we

512
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,560
often put in those applications.

513
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,760
» Again, we're planning another big um
street improvement project. I mean,

514
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:04,000
we've got a good system in place where
we can do large scale projects fairly

515
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:08,000
regular and we did budget for, as
discussed previously, a possible

516
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:12,160
citywide SID.
>> So, we have set aside engineering funds

517
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:17,280
within the street department. We're kind
of looking at citywide SADs also that

518
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:23,920
narrow streets and parking on those
narrow streets um boulevard things like

519
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:29,599
that. So some of that planning of sort
is also budgeted in the street plan in

520
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:34,960
that case. I saw that
it's an exact,000.

521
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,839
» That's what budgeted.
If we need more, I think we

522
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:43,440
» Oh, I was saying that's what you
budgeted was precisely, as I said,

523
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:47,040
» and a significant amount more than
previous.

524
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:51,680
» Um, we also have things like in the
water department,

525
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:56,720
our meter. Um, we are working very
diligently to get them all to a radio

526
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:02,079
read where we can read them with
computers rather than having guys have

527
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:07,040
to go and do a walking route. Uh, so
keeping up our infrastructure and

528
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:14,280
improving it. In fact, um, we're making
conscious efforts to continue those

529
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,280
projects as well.

530
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:31,440
light maintenance. You know, we've got
three broken historic lights and uh are

531
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:37,440
working to uh get those lights replaced
or fabricated. Uh that has been a

532
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:43,520
project. Um but we do have money set
aside for those uh once we get the

533
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:48,160
vendor to do it.
What about the noxious weed budget

534
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,040
better than the recreational and
general?

535
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:57,160
» So we have some in trails and some in
recreation.

536
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:57,160
» We spend a lot on

537
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:09,200
» What's the county doing for their
district? Are they contracting out right

538
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:13,520
now? That's what we have been told is
they're contracting the private.

539
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Okay.
where their

540
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,359
» the land has the dams that we own. Would
that be county or

541
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:24,240
» for the week?
>> Um so in the past we have worked with

542
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:29,359
the county to do it. Um either they
sprayed it remember all of the city

543
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:36,240
taxpayers are paying into the weed
district. um in Sony Pass, they were

544
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:41,760
able to give us chemical um a value a
set aside amount of chemical um that we

545
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:48,760
could then go out and we had certified
operators to go spray that. Um at this

546
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,760
point, none of that has happened.

547
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:02,480
And do we know
Bob Long

548
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:06,960
there and he's the leader coming up
right? But is that plan on lease? Didn't

549
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:13,839
they lease that or
>> um not at Hampton?

550
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:19,960
» It was all East. Okay. I got confused.
But if it was leased, they'd be dirty.

551
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,960
Correct.

552
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:29,520
How much land
kind of borders each

553
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,880
it
pretty significantly or well at Pike

554
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:40,319
Creek we don't own any
>> um Hansen we have a lot by the hatchery

555
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,680
itself
>> right yes

556
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:50,880
» and so most of it is actually on
hatchery side you know above or fans and

557
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:55,599
then all of the hatchery land. Um, East
we have quite a bit. Um, Cedric is none

558
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,599
of our
county

559
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,599
is

560
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,920
» where's Bley.

561
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:13,640
» So, we operate the dam, but we don't
actually own the land. Um, some of it a

562
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,640
hybrid

563
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,079
feel like they

564
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:38,640
really want to say want to improve this
when you say what can be improved,

565
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:43,839
right?
You're going to give counsel to the city

566
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:48,400
manager to this and this and that. Does
that come back to the commission for

567
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:51,119
review or is that just
report back though.

568
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:55,119
» Y
>> let us know what what decisions you've

569
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,119
made, what phrases you put or what
action

570
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:10,559
motion to approve
232.

571
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:15,599
» Second.
We have a motion from Commissioner

572
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:23,280
Robertson and his effort from viewers.
Any other questions regarding the

573
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:28,559
budget, what we discussed tonight,
>> before we move on to the vote, can you

574
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:34,079
please outline the next steps we as the
commission will have to take because we

575
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:40,400
approve this preliminary budget, but
then you're setting the date for your

576
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:47,520
public hearing. Okay. And we'll pass
like 13 resolutions. Actually, 14 with

577
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:53,040
our 10%. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, this budget and we'll double

578
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:58,720
check it. I mean, there will be very
little changes unless we find clerical

579
00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:03,359
things. You guys review this. We still
will have an opportunity to look over

580
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:07,839
this one more time next week.
>> Um,

581
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,559
if there's additional reports and stuff,
we'll see what we can come up with or

582
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:17,440
more information you guys want. Uh, we
can definitely do that. Uh other than

583
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:23,440
that, we will go through all of those
items. Uh setting assessments, um number

584
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,839
of mills,
uh doing public hearings for everything.

585
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:32,720
And so,
but by and large, this will be the

586
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:36,720
budget that we will be proposing to pass
on on the

587
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:43,359
» this
process for motion.

588
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:47,280
» Correct. That was gas. Yeah.
And I've advertised everything through

589
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:51,200
the next two things.
>> Okay.

590
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,400
» Let's do call.
>> Okay. Commissioner Bowser.

591
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,079
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Buer.

592
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,839
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Day.

593
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,599
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Hwitt.

594
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,359
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Robertson.

595
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,599
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Shaver.

596
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,599
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Warren.

597
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,839
» Hi.
>> Thank you.

598
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,240
citizens request

599
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:22,720
that
let's move on to commissioners minutes

600
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:26,640
for the evening. Commissioner Shaver,
>> actually I actually do have something.

601
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:31,040
It's kind of an ask of the rest of the
commission and I don't know if the

602
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:37,119
timing is all right, but I was thinking
I talked to Paulie and

603
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:43,119
Danny on this or we're talking I was
talking about I want to see all the city

604
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:46,400
employees, the fire department and um
police department, all the city

605
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:51,760
employees to be able to use the city
facilities free.

606
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:56,559
And I don't know if we can pass that at
another time, but I don't I know we

607
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,079
can't pay them ahead of money, but
there's no reason. Plus, I think the

608
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:05,760
synergy of other people using our
facilities or none of them are too busy

609
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:10,800
anyhow. That might help pick up.
That's my proposal and I don't know have

610
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:13,599
to wait another meeting to get that in a
motion.

611
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,720
» We can't. It's not on the agenda. Still
something can happen.

612
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,400
» But that's something I want to I guess
think about that. I don't know why the

613
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:23,400
city employees can't use our city
facilities.

614
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,960
» Civic center, pool,
>> swimming pool, civic center,

615
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:34,000
» library.
>> Are you including your families?

616
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:39,680
» Yeah.
>> It doesn't cost us anything. It shows

617
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:43,520
goodwill. It I like the idea that it put
more people in the swimming pool. It'll

618
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:48,079
put more people in the city center. When
more people go to a place, it starts to

619
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,079
pick up.

620
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:58,200
So we have authored the civic center um
>> to the to the bargaining agreement

621
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:06,400
that's why I said I don't know
>> we offered pay for

622
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,640
» we're still paying for it so that we get
the revenue showing that they're using

623
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:14,880
it so everything's you know on the up
and down but again it's within the fund.

624
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,359
» Yeah.
And then you and also follow your

625
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:21,200
expense
>> that and I would like to thank you too.

626
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,839
This is really a lot less painless than
I thought it was supposed to be. So you

627
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:31,440
guys did a good job. Thanks.
>> For less money than blind. Good job.

628
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:34,599
» Come see us with a question.
>> That's it.

629
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:43,359
» Oh, I wanted to say thanks. They fixed
the potholes up on street and that's

630
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:47,440
great because they were huge and I got a
couple calls. I got a I got to Holly

631
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:52,319
about the one um somebody was wondering
about getting removal trees removed off

632
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:57,119
the boulevard and she said that their
city's kind of looking out of contract

633
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:02,079
for a tree guy and says I just had a
tree guy doing my tree top of mind. And

634
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:05,760
then I got another call from a guy that
says that he's got a he said a frantic

635
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:11,359
drain that's not a French drain. It's
just a a city drain on Erie that's needs

636
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,920
to be cleaned out. He's called several
plans. got his information and I thought

637
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,760
about calling back after we discussed
it. But I asked her, "Is it a French

638
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,599
drain that you put in?" Because I have a
French drain. I think he just meant as a

639
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,520
city
because we are a little bit

640
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:34,400
like I don't think that's what she
meant. But anyway, it was false this

641
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:39,599
week. So yeah, but I'll try to follow up
and know where we are with that. Okay,

642
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:44,079
that's it.
Robertson,

643
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:49,040
» two things. Uh, I received another email
um from

644
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:54,800
a resident who would like to know when
we're going to start enforcing something

645
00:54:51,599 --> 00:55:01,280
about cats to allow residents to protect
their property from invasive species.

646
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:05,680
» Then you have to be invasive species,
>> meaning cats. that

647
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:10,079
» would like to know
and I'm going to paraphrase when they he

648
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:13,520
could start scrapping or removing cats
from his property that go on his

649
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:18,319
property.
>> I don't think you could do it any time.

650
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,920
» Pardon?
>> Well, is that the answer? I don't think

651
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:25,680
that's a legal right now to capture
someone's cat and

652
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,280
» I was
you can live.

653
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:32,319
» I don't see why you could live track it.
>> I don't know if you're going to make a

654
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:38,880
lot of friends. Yeah,
>> this president don't see care

655
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:44,960
to remove axe. And that beg the question
for me is well

656
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,799
um I live on the edge of tunnel and I
have all kinds of invasive species in my

657
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:53,040
yard
whether they be deer or

658
00:55:52,240 --> 00:56:00,640
» rabbits
>> rabbits or over the years um

659
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,200
elk moose
bear

660
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:09,359
» and mountain.
>> Wow. And so maybe this begs a bigger

661
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:13,760
question which is we live in a wild
place

662
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:19,920
domesticated I understand which are some
of the more wild

663
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:22,880
in terms of my right if there is a moose
in my backyard can I shoot it

664
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:28,160
» we know
>> no I can't

665
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:31,119
sure right so um
>> the real question

666
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:36,640
» what are we going to do about cats
>> what are we going to do about cats and

667
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:41,920
dogs that pass and protect them. And uh
so from a serious standpoint, u we have

668
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:46,960
bounced this ball around that maybe this
group has no interest in managing

669
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:51,280
cats that people let out of their door
at night or during the day. I think we

670
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,119
just need to take a position at some
point and answer a sense question and

671
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,599
say, are they going to do something or
not?

672
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:00,319
» And it is a conundrum that comes up
often.

673
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:05,280
» Comes up. Well, and we've talked as an
ordinance committee. Um, and I mean

674
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:11,440
really the best place, the first place
to start is with some sort of licensing.

675
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:16,960
So, I mean, you guys have an appetite
for licensing of cash. Actually, I want

676
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:22,480
to go off of that and go with that and
add to that the

677
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:30,799
comment made from a resident expert if
you call her that who does

678
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:36,640
animal management is um capture
neuter or spay and release.

679
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:40,000
So, if you're a person that lets your
cat roll, you leave, you should expect

680
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:44,319
that if it's not fixed, it's going to
get fixed eventually by the city.

681
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:48,319
» If they can figure out who you are,
they're going to give you a bill. And if

682
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:50,960
not, your cat's going to disappear for a
week if all of it heals and then it's

683
00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:56,000
going to show up again in your
neighborhood, but it's going to fix.

684
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,799
You should be prepared for that. Many,
many communities are having a lot of

685
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:05,920
luck with this process because
>> expense, right? So at it would be at the

686
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:09,040
community's expense but offset by
something like a cat license.

687
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:15,359
» Yeah.
>> Or if the police department finds out

688
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:19,119
that you don't have a a fine for you for
your cat being

689
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:23,359
in the community.
>> Are we kind of stuck with by our

690
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:28,400
ordinance?
No matter what it would require an order

691
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:36,960
» this conversation like we've had it
multip and it really does pivot around

692
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:40,400
what safe is doing in a way
again they don't want

693
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,799
» they said
>> they'd like to see something done they

694
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:51,760
their suggestion I'm using them as the
example their suggestion is capture

695
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:55,440
» mayor no release
>> we need a city attorney though to have a

696
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,240
process for that.
>> Yeah, we will. I'm just making it.

697
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:02,839
» Yeah,
>> I got the email. I will respond to

698
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:10,720
» I'll turn the Well, I'll apparently end
it my um I'll turn the page and just say

699
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:16,720
um I spent the last four days up at
Celely Lake, Montana at beautiful place

700
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:21,359
to be. They are stuck. They cannot
expand their community. They can't build

701
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:26,319
a hotel. You can't build a house with a
sewer system in it. They don't have a

702
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:31,440
city sewer system.
>> It just reminds me how good we have it

703
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:35,280
compared to Montana. They can't do
anything. They can't They're really

704
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:39,440
stuck. You know, their economy is in
really tough shape because the mill is

705
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:44,480
gone. They have no way to generate more
revenue in that community. Nothing to do

706
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:49,520
other than have more tourists who all
are flush toilet and there's no sewer

707
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:55,119
system. So they are having to bite the
bullet and figure this out. They're also

708
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:59,040
in Missoula County. And just imagine how
challenging that is to deal with

709
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:04,160
Missoula County being a rural community
a long way away. So much so that they're

710
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:09,520
looking at that side of the community is
looking at seeding itself, cutting

711
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:13,760
itself off county in the state of
Montana. All seriousness, it's they're

712
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:19,040
working on it right now.
So, but the big thing that I want to

713
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:23,520
just remind everybody is we have a smart
plan that operates and we can flush

714
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:30,119
ourselves
because we have wonderful

715
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,119
time.

716
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,000
Um,
I was trying to look

717
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:52,240
again a note about boulevards and
keeping that on our mind about how we

718
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:58,240
want to address
those. What is it like 12 blocks in

719
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:04,720
town?
there are people that are interested and

720
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:11,319
if that ever comes up let know
and then

721
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,319
that is it

722
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:25,680
» um I got couple calls and then a couple
people came up to me talk about parking

723
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:29,040
permits and then talk about the purple
parking that they have I think in

724
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:36,319
Bosezeman
where each house has a purple

725
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:41,520
slot that's a permanent parking only
parking space. So I got quite a bit from

726
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:46,240
this
road up here, but I had a couple people

727
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:51,200
from over on Boulevard and some of the
apartments and stuff asking about

728
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:55,839
permanent parking over there because
bunch of workers take up their parking

729
01:01:52,720 --> 01:02:00,480
spaces that work in the area.
So

730
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:05,280
I don't know just lots of people
wondering if there's a possibility of

731
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:11,680
peripart
>> it would be an ordinance change is

732
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:18,799
» do you know in both
a lot of multif family

733
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:23,280
buildings each one of those doors in
that building get it correct

734
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,160
» so
>> I I just don't know

735
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:32,400
» I'm not trying argue the point one way
or the other. I just can't imagine that

736
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:38,160
a taxpaying resident at, you know, in in
unit 202 would feel pretty strongly that

737
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,480
they pay their taxes
>> as a resident.

738
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:46,079
» Where's my part?
>> And so I can again, we know some people

739
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:52,000
that live down there, younger people,
and so like in complexes or private

740
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:59,680
developments, so are not public streets.
Um they do have parking permits uh one

741
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:03,359
per unit and there is no guest parking.
So if you have people stop over it's

742
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:06,839
like good luck.
>> Yeah. April

743
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:26,640
one before um this last week we had our
downtown master takeoff meeting. It's

744
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:31,680
really exciting to think about, you
know, what can come downtown and having

745
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:37,520
that master plan be done
of looking at stakeholders within the

746
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:43,599
community and we'll be a lot of future
public engagement for that. So hopefully

747
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:50,039
with your city manager report you give a
little give a timeline and what's

748
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,039
happening and what's

749
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:04,640
efficiency.
We should just meet every Monday