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What is this?

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Map 3.4 million.

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You

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Meet's next Tuesday. So I have the letter saying, it's tentative. Correct. And I need theirs to get your 2.2. So I

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can come back to council and say, here it is. It's solid, which is why today is just conceptual as opposed to the actual agreement. We can't do that without the environmental. All those reassures. We have to do that.

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So I

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do want some feedback from the conversations that need to happen.

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So we're going to do

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project concept back and here's for everybody.

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Yeah.

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Second.

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I thought you said somebody made the motion.

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Okay. I'll make the motion then to move forward.

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Okay. No, you're good.

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I have a council approved, comments set in this project, and possible funding.

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All contingent upon the favorable assessment and there will be agreement between the

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details

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of the fund.

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Second.

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Motion by again.

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Question.

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Speaker.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Call the health committee to order.

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I've got two sets of minutes of seek a motion to approve August 8, 2023.

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We

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have a motion by Councilman Colum and a second by Councilman Jones in your discussion.

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All in favor?

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All opposed?

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Motion passes.

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Approval of August 22, 2023 meeting minutes.

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Move to approve.

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All right.

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We've got a motion by Councilman Jones, second by Councilman Colum, any questions, comments?

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All in favor?

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Motion passes.

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Okay.

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Okay, now we have a City of Casey request for Lexington County Communications to dispatch

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for the City of Casey Fire Department Chief Mark Davis.

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I

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didn't have my name.

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I received last week a letter from the City of Casey from Mr. Tracy Hegler to City Manager

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requesting that Casey Fire Department dispatch be moved to Lexington County Communications

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It's only the fire department, the police department and the fire department and they're asking

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that we consider.

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I think this came up several years back and it never went anywhere and so I asked Chief

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Davis, Chief Miller to provide you guys an update and benefit or anything just to see from

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And you guys, if we want to move forward or not, there have been no negotiations or anything yet.

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Just receive this letter to see if we want to move forward.

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Chief, do.

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Unfortunately for us on the fire chief side and the majority, actually all of the five fire departments in the county with exception of the airport, which has their own particular area.

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Came together many years ago and developed our own operational plan where every fire department does the exact same thing.

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It's not based on geography, it's not based on the name on the side of the fire truck.

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But we operate the same way all the time seamlessly between agencies and we believe that

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we don't see geographic boundaries.

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We see the closest unit goes to help the people because we believe no one is brand specific.

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With that said, the communication is the most important part in getting the most reliable

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and fastest information, and the quickest dispatch from the communication center is paramount

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to not only the safety, but that of our firefighters.

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So, the KC Fire Department is the last one who is not under the Dispatch Center for the County of Lexington, everyone else is sent at the same time.

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So, roughly for now, and I don't want to step on Chief Miller's toes, roughly the 9-1-1 call already comes into our County Center.

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Once it's determined that it's in the City of KC proper, it is then sent back to them.

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They dispatch their units.

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And because of NFP, our own...

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On operational modes, we know that it takes more firefighters on scenes than just the one fire department there, so they're automatically requesting for help. So what we're finding is between that lag time of it coming to the county and then going back, there could be a 7 to 10 minute dispatch lag time. And that's not just for the city of Casey, but for my units to rent that three fountains area, and the south end of the county that are requiring, they're asking Casey to come help us. So the Casey runs 2,106 calls last year. Those calls were all already coming into our

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dispatch center that were just being transferred to their dispatch.

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Technically, when they go on an EMS call, which is half their volume, they're coming

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on to our dispatch channels anyway to communicate with Lexington County EMS and any working

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structure of fire or large-scale event, they're coming on to our channels anyway.

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So I don't know that there's an undue burden or anything new that is not met and it would

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actually be a seamless, more seamless transaction for our dispatchers instead of having to make

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that call.

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They would initiate just like they do every other call, start the process immediately,

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And then West Columbia, Irmo, Lexon units, for that area, we dispatched in one package

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everyone would understand the order in which they're responding and would make our operations

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on scene a lot safer for my firefighters and your firefighters and our citizens.

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So every time a call comes through, if you're going to one of those municipalities, every

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time the call comes through, y'all, everybody shows up, is that what you just said to me?

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It depends on the geography and what stations are available.

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So we do a GPS based system based on what stations are available and what type of structure it is or a call could dictate the amount of units as well

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But in that south and corridor is usually the KC maybe even west Columbia and less than the county of running together

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Okay, I was like common sense to me. You know, so why why haven't you mentioned it was brought up in the past?

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It doesn't matter didn't go be an else than that since I've known

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Actually, it's actually, it's understandable, or I think that Ms. Heggler explained it was just a timing issue or stuff with case.

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I don't have the details about that, but it's the only thing I know right now.

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Anybody have any questions or comments?

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The only thing I heard that was alarming for me is just a set of minutes.

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It's wasted between the communication.

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between them. It could even be longer if that is that. Yeah, well, what I'm talking about

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is, say for instance, if our dispatch calls over there and they have a crisis going on,

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they may put us on hold for just a brief moment. And then we, you know, if it's consolidated,

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we're going to automatically dispatch it and just, it just saves time and saves seconds

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and the responders and citizens and some of us in local government have often thought it's a

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countywide EMS service. It really should be a countywide fire service. That may not sit well

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with some others, but they run like this. I mean they run like this. So I applaud the city

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from, you know, bringing the slide in, let's please, please do it. So, especially with

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the folks that are day-to-day feel like it's, it's in the best interest of the

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citizens. Yeah, I'm all for it, Mr. Chair. I just wonder how, how long it'll be

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before they entertain bringing their police over to us, because most of

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their police are cross-trained as their firefighters, too. Not anymore, they're

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not doing it anymore. I think they got out of that public safety. Didn't they

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split. They did a split as I recall about a year and a half

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two years ago and they're growing their their fires. I know

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where my ex-wife was there. She had to be both. Yeah, I think

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the police is kind of a different animal. And I think that

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because of a fire Emma's called typically is a specific

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address law enforcement call is wherever it can move it can be

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moving as the call is. I think it's probably maybe better

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that law enforcement guys kind of have their own.

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Yeah, I think we're running this up times into avenues.

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It's about that he might speak to it.

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I just have a comment or question from coming

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from the insurance business up within the business

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four decades.

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How does this affect ISO rates?

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It hadn't affected them in the past.

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Will it affect this?

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Will this help them in the future?

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No, it's a reaction class.

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We already have a pre-existing automatic aid agreement.

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It's just a matter of the automatic aid

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was to pick up the phone and call.

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And we have on the line, we have gone

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on to a mode of an officer picking up the radio and calling.

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So all the back work that I've had to be done for this,

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all the plans that had to be laid and put into our CAD system

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have already been there.

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So this is just.

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May the time is approval of the August 8, 2023 meeting minutes. I have moved to approve by Mr. David Somers. Second. Second. Second. All

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in favor?

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I've been both.

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Open.

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Proof of August 8, 2023 meeting. That is my motion. We need a second. Second. Second. Second by Mr. Carriage. All in favor. All opposed. Proof of August 22, 2023. And that is the

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my motion. I have a second. My name is Karrie. I'm in favor. I will put in questions. Okay, first off,

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Rhett, welcome. Everybody knows Brent Hyatt. Approval of the City of Columbia

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easement for a sanitary sewer relocation along Broken Hill Road to Council District 7.

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The City of Columbia has requested that the county of Lexington grant a permanent exclusive

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of easement for a sanitary sewer relocation. This happens to run through one of the parcels we

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had bought out of Ruffa Broken Hill Road. There's already an existing line there. They are basically

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replacing it in a slightly different alignment. So they're going to abandon the existing easement

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and they're requesting another easement across this property. So that's what we are seeking approval for.

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We have a motion, my Ms. Caron. Second, my Ms. West singer. All in favour? All opposed?

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Any questions? Very good. Second, let's see here. The approval of the pawn branch road and two-notch road intersection improvements. Council District 2.

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Thank you sir.

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Each fiscal year we're required by law to expand, this is a, we'll say 33%.

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The safe and law still says 25, but the new money from the roads bill for years ago requires it also.

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In fact, 33% of our normal portion needs to be spent on the state highway system.

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The last few years, we've done some intersex improvements, old Cherokee,

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film and church, old Cherokee at St. Peter's.

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We help fund Bar Road at Long Spawn.

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They're at the railroad tracks.

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The last three years, we've done a lot of resurfacing.

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To satisfy the requirement for FY24, we're proposing to send funds to SCDOT

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for the construction phase of an intersex improvement at Palm Branch Road,

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at two-notch road. We are managing the design phase of the project through an RFP that

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you guys approved just a couple months ago. So we are proposing a satisfied requirement

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to send the funds to DOT and let them construct in their right-of-way. We're proposing

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to send $1,237,500, which would satisfy our requirements for this year.

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This is a simple

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concept of what's being worked on right now. We're in the design phase. We just started.

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We're proposing a turn lanes here and this is not, we're not proposing to signalize it at this time,

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but when they end the future, if it does warrant it, we're going to make sure the dimensions are

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appropriate. So we want it to go rework or reconfigure anything if that opportunity does come. So

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So that's what we are seeking approval for.

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Mr. Hudson?

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Yes sir.

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Go ahead.

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This is Larry's district.

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Yes my district.

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I can say this is a bad intersection.

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I know.

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If you look.

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I don't know if you can tell, but it's not a 90 degree intersection.

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It's Cady Wampus.

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And Jessica put that in the minutes is Cady Wampus.

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The office, you know, spell it. But anyway, it is, Katie Wampus, and it's hard to see, especially

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if the sun is bright. If it's real dark at night, you can't go on across two notch, and

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this, you know, people are going 55 miles an hour. A lot of the bad wrecks have happened

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at that intersection. So a signal light would be wonderful, but that may be step two, but

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at least it's headed in the right direction. I do have this request, and we discussed this

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before the meeting. And I've been asked, I've called DOT on multiple occasions about rumble

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trips on two-notch road. Before you get to this intersection, both directions don't know

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the distance they would need to be, but whatever the regulations are based on the speed limit

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and accidents, whatever. Those rumble strips have really helped give people warning because

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a lot of times they don't stop. You have an accident where somebody's coming down two-notch and

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don't even know us the intersection and they have bad collisions right there and it's not

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good.

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We are working very, very closely through the design phase because we're basically the partnership

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as if we are approaching an encrushment permit, but we're not planning to build it ourselves,

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but we're still having to work with the same staff.

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So we're working closely with the District 1 traffic engineer.

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We are happy to try to get some of these things addressed even while we're at this early stage

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of an improvement.

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The Rumble Strip would be which you'll take the DOT.

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Correct.

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We will absolutely try to coordinate that with them.

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Mr. Riggum, I want to let you do, we are really working in close with SEAD on T on everything

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we're doing now, we're a commend the department for doing that, and include if you'll notice

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the turning lines are already installed, pre-installed, we're having those installed with anticipation

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of light, so we'll have to go back in afterwards and do that, I think there's thinking in advance.

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This is the 4 way or this is not currently a 4 way pond branch proposed. No, no, you can spell that word. We're all vote for it. That's where it's asking.

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So it's going to be the stopping and stop condition pond branch would be the through condition.

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the site distance would be improved the turning rate I would be improved and then

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the key improvement is the addition of a turn lane. It's going to allow those

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three movements to be able to see ahead of their approach to the intersection.

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It's pretty prevalent in the cities because of intersections that are not, I guess,

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controlled, caution light. We've had them before where they don't have to be both

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ways, but I think that's where I was going, Larry, would you

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recognize the rumble strips, but if you're anticipating the

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possible signalization, I mean, one hanging yellow

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caution light in the dark, dark night,

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flashing signal right here could be very effective.

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flashing signal will work and we're trying to get one

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also on quality mill road and wise and wise fairy there.

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Todd, you might have to get those in avenues too, to

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We have. We have those.

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See, see a ninth is one that's flash forever. But I just, I know

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that intersection. Yeah. That's a bad one. I just make sure that wasn't the four-way

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because you, you'd be stopping traffic headed to Sheila's and that might impede some people.

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Yeah, pond branch will. Sheila's quick enough. Yeah. It's not enough traffic yet. It may be one day.

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But the great thing is we have a great relationship, finally, with the SED of T and we really do, and just the complete streets, we still long story, but connectability, the accessibility, all those assessed points, we're working with them and they're working with us, when she's been really nice.

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Assistual is off band, pond branch road.

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I went out there just past the first one, it was dark.

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Yes, though.

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Then we seek a motion.

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I make a motion to make improvements to the Cady Wampus road.

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Two nights road and pond branch intersection in district two.

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That's my motion.

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I have a motion straight up second.

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No Cady Wampus.

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We have a motion with no Cady Wampus.

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We have a first by Larry Regum, recommendation from public works and a second by Mr. Colm.

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All in favor?

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All the parties.

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Any discussion?

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I do want to add one thing for we adjourn.

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We have a gentleman who works for the county that has been with us several years.

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It's been an integral part of our turnaround.

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Um, um,

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his cancer has come back for family purposes.

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I won't use his name, but I would ask you to put him on your prayer list.

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And wish a speedy recovery. So I think you know what I'm talking about, but anyway. Thank you for your words. We missing one is not here. Thank you. Appreciate what you guys do.

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Planting committee is now in session. And first up, we have some minutes to approve. So I would like to make a motion to approve the July 11th, 2020, 23 meeting minutes moved. I made the motion. Councilman Watson made a

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second. All in favor? Any discussion? Motion approved.

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Next up is the meeting minutes for August 8th,

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so I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes for August 8th, 2023, and make a motion.

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Councilman Winston made the second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion passes. And the third will be the

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meeting minutes from August 22, 2023. I'll make that motion and Councilman

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Whitestone will make the second. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion passes.

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Kelly's not here yet.

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And the library staff lost a member this week themselves and the funeral was this morning and we had moved everything to try to get, make sure that Kelly could attend the funeral and be here.

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already minutes at a scheduled time. Yeah so that's um I would ask that if we could come back to

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this when she gets here. Let's take a break. Let's take, you want to take a few minutes for a break?

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That's bad. Yeah. Okay so we're going to take a break for 15, 20 minutes.

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Let's do this. Well we come back at two o'clock. That would be yeah. All right we'll take a recess until

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to a clock.

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What's her name works?

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The one he don't get around me.

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What's her name?

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Please.

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Yeah, it's anything about it in a while.

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It's been a while.

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OK, so

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we are back in session with the planning committee.

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And we have Kelly Pull up on deck.

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Thank you.

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First, if I could just take a minute and thank you

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for your patience and allowing a little recess for me,

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To be able to arrive on time. One of our staff members, Sarah Weaver, passed away unexpectedly

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last week. She worked at our KC West Columbia branch for over 17 years in circulation.

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Thank you, very much. Interservice was earlier today. And so I appreciate the time, allotment

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and I want to thank Lynn and Dana for all their support the last week.

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What's your name again Sarah weaver weaver okay or that case is Columbia for over 17 years

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44 it's Sarah so I thought maybe you've seen someone out front notices the 430 meeting today

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thank you I appreciate it I'm glad to patron attended the service as well very nice

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But I guess we will, the first one is a continuing education grant for a first time conference

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attendee to a national conference and Rebecca Shelton, who is our branch librarian at the

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The award was for $2,203, I'm sorry, the conference was for $2,239 and the grant award

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is for $1,000 towards that total cost, which left the library with $1,239 in cost.

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This is a little odd.

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We've actually attended the grant and so this will, we've attended the conference and this

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will reimburse us $1,000 towards that cost.

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Right on that.

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Yes.

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I'm moved to be accepted grant.

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Okay.

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I have a motion.

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Second.

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And I have a second to have a motion from Councilman Column and a second by Chair Lady Kerrig on the approval to accept the Library Services Technology Act Grant continuing the education for Rebecca Shelton.

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Any discussion?

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How about turning your microphone on so everybody can hear you?

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Okay, microphone is on. Thank you.

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You repeat all that?

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No. That's in a minute.

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So the next we have the summer reading program.

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The next is a summer reading grant award.

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And this is similar to what we have every summer.

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this year our theme is adventure begins at your library and we're planning the

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combination of backpack outdoor adventure kits which we presented a few

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weeks ago. The total cost of this program was $3557. Some of that is in-kind staff

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personnel costs. The program kits and the presentations that we'll have are

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for $2,000 and $57 and the award is for $2,000 itself.

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It just leaves us with the $57 and operating to balance side out.

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And so I'd ask that you would consider accepting that grant award.

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We have to approve the, or apply for the library E rate grant program grant.

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one up summer reading number five number five approve it to accept the library services and technology act

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L-S-T-A summer reading and learning program graph or

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I have a motion by Councilman

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Can you all enroll her in that summer reading program?

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I

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all in favor motion passes. Oh my goodness. And last up, we have e-rate program grant.

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This is an application to apply for the e-rate program, which is a federally funded program for

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technology services for libraries. Our application includes the maintenance of 45 switches

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and four hotspot services. So we already have the hardware. This is to maintain all those

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technology items. The maintenance is $14,604 in the hotspot service $2,349. The total cost of

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both of those projects together is $16,953. Usac will commit 70% towards all of these projects

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while the state consortium.

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We'll complement that with a 30% match. So all in all, the libraries at a pocket cost would be $705.

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It's quite a odd combo the way those two come together, but it's been a great benefit to us the last few years, and so I ask that you consider our application requests for this project. That's awesome. That's awesome.

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Alright, I have a motion to approve by Councilman Council Lady Carrigan, a second by Councilman

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Column. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion passes. Thank you so much, Kelly. You always

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bring good news. All right, Planning Committee is adjourned.

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We're going to move on to the committee of the whole and I would move that we approve

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the July 11th, 2023 meeting minutes and vice chair heads have made the second any comment

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or question?

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Hearing none, I'll favour.

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Anyone opposed?

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All right.

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Next up, I would move that we approve the August 8th, 2023 meeting minutes.

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I made the motion. Council Lady Westinger made the second. Any comment or question? August

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8, 2023. All in favour?

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Anyone opposed?

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All right. Next up, I would move that we approve

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the August 22, 2023 meeting minutes. Superproved. Or seconds. I made the motion. Council Lady

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Summers made the second. Any comment or question on August 22, 2023 meeting minutes? All in

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any one opposed? All right. We're going to move into a discussion of ordinance 23-17 amendments

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to the zoning ordinance addressing residential density to include an overlay district plan

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developments, tiny home, short-term rentals, multi-family developments, and various updates

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and invoking the application of the pending ordinance doctrine, Robert Derrick.

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Thank you all very much. Planning Commission on April 18, reviewed ordinance 23-17, which

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of the various proposed amendments to the zoning ordinance.

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The planning commission, there is a typo in the memo.

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They did not vote unanimously, but they did vote to recommend four items for consideration

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from Council.

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One was to consider amending the Eastern Residential District Boundary to further protect Corley Mill

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Road.

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I do have an alternate map which has been discussed briefly between some members of Council

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I'll propose to Council just a few minutes.

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The others consider concurrence requirements within the Eastern Residential District and also for the plan development districts consider minimum lot sizes with the Eastern Residential District and they include the term alone for financial hardship language in the standards for variances.

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Keep in mind that the planning commission had previously reviewed tiny homes, short term rentals, multi-family developments and some various other updates associated with density and agricultural, protecting agricultural activities.

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That information has already been reviewed by a planning commission and presented to

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Council with their recommendation and that's what's already included within the body of 2317.

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Short term rentals are actually a separate standalone ordinance which will be migrated into

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this body once both ordinances have been approved.

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That's third and final tonight.

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That'll be third and final tonight, yes ma'am.

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That's 23, 6, 10, 10, 10, 10.

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Starting with the the recommended actions from planning commission again the the meaning the eastern overlay or the eastern residential district boundary.

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The proposed boundary I use this one shows a little better the original proposed boundary that received first reading and was presented our public here.

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It included the whole of three counts of districts and a portion of district seven.

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The Planning Commission, again, even with feedback from our public hearing asked me further

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protect Corley Mill Road.

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With some discussions with several Council members, especially those along the Corley

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Mill corridor, there has been a proposed change to further protect the area of Corley Mill

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Road.

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I'll zoom in on this to see if you can see a little bit better.

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Basically, the change is to continue to look at an existing development on Corley Mill

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road. They have some future future proposed additions to that development. Provide

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connectivity with the remaining Eastern Residential District and take out

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areas especially along Milstream Road, areas north of Sunset Boulevard,

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Hopefear Road area. Take those out of the Eastern overlay and put those within the

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same restrictions as would be basically countywide outside this overlay.

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District. Again, this is an effort to further protect Corley Mill Road. I believe this is protecting

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the majority of Corley Mill Road that is the areas that are undeveloped, except for,

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you know, larger development, Corley Mill High School, and a couple other areas within

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the town of Lexington, as well as the other areas within the general location on Mill Stream,

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which has a direct impact as far as traffic between Sunset Boulevard and Corley Mill Road.

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So

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the bright red line, bright red line will be the new boundaries, so everything if you follow my cursor, this area would be within the overlay district, everything outside is not within the overlay district.

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This right here is district seven, my district that will run long like Bush River Road come out of 20, and that's what grades that continue right there.

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And then this part of Corley Mill Road is protected and not in the urban overlay.

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Okay, so then that section of Bush River Road would be in the eastern overlay for more development.

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That's mostly floodplain. Can that mostly floodplain?

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Flood is a lot of undeveloped property.

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It's a lot of making property too.

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You've got a slew of river greenway.

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You've got dominion property.

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We're much AP and recreation commission,

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shallow industries, but some large,

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large property owners within that area.

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And then this further provides connectivity

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with that overlay district.

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It provides connectivity to that one area.

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And then the rest of this will be

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under the. Yeah correct. So this makes this makes you happy. This makes you happy. Yeah. This makes

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you

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happy. You're happy. You're happy. But does it still divide the town of Lake

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Stanton? We're not changing the districts. It's just the overlay. Of course another. But that's

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what I'm saying. It does the overlay. I'm just making sure that I'm looking at it correctly.

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The overlay, though, still divides the town of Lexington.

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Part of the town of Lexington will be in the overlay and part of town of Lexington will be outside the overlay.

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Yes, ma'am. That's correct.

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And really the part that's in the eastern overlay,

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it's really consistent with what all's in the eastern overlay anyway,

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because it's so developed almost out.

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I think that, I think Beth sent us an article,

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Charles, and they were reviewing something they had,

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that they had called it a ban.

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You remember reading that article?

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They had a development ban that measured out a mile and a half.

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You know that?

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And that got me thinking about that very line.

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I'm good with whatever y'all.

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It's an area which I'll represent. You know that representation, not better than I do, but that's kind of how I've kind of

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pictured in my mind that Western boundary where the two come together is that

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development band. Because if you look, if you really look at the structure that's

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I guess north, northwest of that boundary line,

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it's got a whole lot more opportunity for development than everything back this way.

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in the election on the, I guess, the northwest side of the point.

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Where it actually ends, so that those parcels would be included in it to continue the development

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of that already existing development.

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I mean, it's really consistent, too.

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But that takes us to about Lee-Cleckley Road and then from Lee-Cleckley and down it's just-

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I was just saying that from the look at the interstate portion of it, where you tell them

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Well, the possibility of apartments or hotels or something like that, it allows it right there on the other side of 20 on both sides of 20 actually, right?

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Yes.

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That's more consistent with that section, whereas you get a little further west and get a little further northwest is where I think you're.

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Actually, this would be part of the urban.

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Yeah.

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That's right. That's part of the town that's out and the other part of the town that's in. Again, like I said, the part that's in it is really consistent with the Eastern anyway because of what's already been developed there now.

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They don't have anything that would be developed in there, then or could be developed that would not be consistent with what their standards are.

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I don't think so.

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I'm sure they've had the opportunity. I would guess if they had the opportunity to look at this.

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Let's say who off the map based on again, conversations. The only thing that made me do is that look here. That's right. The Coli Mill area road areas on that, but this is the first time we wanted to present it to Council before it went anywhere. So this is the first time that you really want to see it.

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Arca's always been there from the start. I think. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just about that one section on Coli Mill road. The red line right there. All that's urban. I'll go back to the original map. The arc is a little different.

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because we had to take it, we took out a mill stream, again, because there's a feeder to

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Corley Mill Road. So this arc has been there, the line basically has moved and taken out this

441
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:42,660
little triangle area here.

442
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,000
That makes sense. I think this is a good line. Yeah. It's consistent.

443
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,300
I've already got the stuff and a lot of that stuff is not right.

444
00:50:58,030 --> 00:50:59,350
And the topography is going to be

445
00:50:59,350 --> 00:51:05,170
lot of the challenges for it. That would be the proposed new boundary.

446
00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:12,550
Second comment from the planning commission was the eastern residential district currently

447
00:51:12,550 --> 00:51:16,970
does not have concurrency requirements. The plan development district does not specify

448
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:22,390
concurrency as a plan development district is a unique design tool that goes through planning

449
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:27,530
commission and council. I think the reason for the eastern residential district not having

450
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:31,390
in concurrency a couple of factors where the mutual aid agreements with the municipalities

451
00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:37,310
we already have in those areas, especially West Columbia, KC, more or less law enforcement

452
00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:43,310
potential with the town of Lexington, within the area two, based on the information provided

453
00:51:43,310 --> 00:51:48,990
by fire service in EMS, the stations do not have very high-cost volumes currently within

454
00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:54,010
that area, and response times for EMS are generally consistent with their required response

455
00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:54,310
times.

456
00:51:54,310 --> 00:51:59,830
That's one reason that we initially omitted concurrency from that Eastern residential district.

457
00:52:00,630 --> 00:52:06,650
Again, the gist of having the Eastern residential district is to promote some more high-density

458
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:07,670
residential developments.

459
00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:11,510
A lot of these will be in field developments again because there is predominantly already developed

460
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:11,850
out.

461
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:17,750
Again, with the plan development districts, not including concurrency from a staff perspective,

462
00:52:18,330 --> 00:52:20,210
I don't think is that big of a concern.

463
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:30,290
As you go through the review process for planned development districts, obviously that's something in this body and planning commission can ask for additional information and data from those entities as well.

464
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:36,690
We do already have public safety reviewing plans and the plan development district.

465
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:40,330
A lot of these roads are going to be designed to different standards, different curvatures.

466
00:52:40,810 --> 00:52:49,870
So as part of our due process, we have public safety reviewing and making comments and recommendations on those master plans to ensure that those unique road designs, unique design patterns.

467
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:52,970
or not going to be an issue with public safety response types.

468
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:55,990
So that's already worked in with with the plan development districts.

469
00:52:57,210 --> 00:53:01,250
The last one or the next last the minimum lot sizes they asked

470
00:53:01,250 --> 00:53:05,450
that Council just consider minimum lot sizes and within the Eastern residential district

471
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:11,190
again with the unique design options you have within this high density area.

472
00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:14,530
We did discuss with a couple council members when we initially looked

473
00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:17,550
at the density for the Eastern residential district.

474
00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:21,590
A few counts of members did mention minimum light sizes.

475
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:26,350
I think the comment was, if we can elected a later date, if there was concern with light

476
00:53:26,350 --> 00:53:30,810
sizes moving forward to implement minimum light sizes, a later date, but again, that's

477
00:53:30,810 --> 00:53:32,190
something up for consideration now.

478
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:38,330
Again, with the unique characteristics with the developers being able to kind of dictate

479
00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:42,150
what their development styles are, they still have to meet our density requirements.

480
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:44,430
They still have to meet our storm drainage requirements.

481
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:45,770
They still have to meet our road design.

482
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:48,430
They still have to meet our open space and stay in court or requirements.

483
00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:53,030
So there's a lot of other design criteria, they still have to meet even with the higher

484
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:53,990
density allowances.

485
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:59,710
And the last one is, again, it's just a simple terminology within our standards for

486
00:53:59,710 --> 00:54:04,650
reverence to include the term alone to be consistent with financial hardship, quote, unquote,

487
00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:07,930
alone cannot be used for a consideration for a variance.

488
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:11,810
And planning commission thought that term would be good to include with our standards for

489
00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:12,150
a variance.

490
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:13,270
So what would it actually read?

491
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:18,190
A financial hardship along cannot be used to grant a variance.

492
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:22,930
I've got a question about that, about the financial part of it.

493
00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:33,250
What if someone was making a presentation for a variance and in the finance piece of it came up,

494
00:54:33,550 --> 00:54:37,090
but the hardship could be owned the county.

495
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:44,530
If you allow me a variance, I can do things that will lessen the cost to deliver services.

496
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:52,220
What I'm saying is that I think it's always been assumed that the financial hardship piece of it has been,

497
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,900
this is too expensive for me to build. There is too expensive for me to develop.

498
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,960
Therefore, I'm looking for, you know.

499
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:29,540
And that's really what a zoning request is, is for relief. So I have a question, too. Yeah, I was just saying, what would happen if, if you, if they come in and we are asking people to try to be creative and develop to the current topo and the current use of the land and not. We're trying to keep people from tearing up 30, 40 acres at a time, right? So if they can demonstrate that if I tear up less acreage,

500
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:37,800
at a time, but I can't meet the standard and I can provide a better financial position

501
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:43,360
for future maintenance, because we're assuming we're going to accept all the utilities.

502
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,200
I think anybody can make an argument for a variance that the finances has some type of aspect

503
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:50,600
to do with.

504
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:52,180
I think we can all agree upon that.

505
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:54,040
I got something on that too after a bit.

506
00:55:54,040 --> 00:56:06,520
So, I do think that a residential development coming before a variance and a person who's

507
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:12,240
bought a lot that's, I don't know, a piece of property out of the way or anywhere, that

508
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,760
I buy in this piece of property, it's not affiliated with anything else.

509
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:21,560
And I want a variance because I want to build something, I don't even know what it is, but

510
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:31,480
a hardship alone, I think would pertain to an individual one-off time. They're trying

511
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,220
to build a home for them and their family to live in. We're doing it ourselves. I think

512
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:40,400
a hardship could apply for, I mean, that would be something that should be considered for

513
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,200
a one-off. I don't necessarily agree it should be for an entire neighborhood, but I certainly

514
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:51,520
think that you know John Q that bought a piece of property that's been in the family for I don't

515
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,900
know 55 years and it's you know quarter of an acre and I want to put a house on it so I can see

516
00:56:55,900 --> 00:57:03,480
the lake but yeah my family sold it to me for you know $25 I don't know what it is but anyway

517
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,240
and I want to build a house but based on your setbacks and stuff it is a financial hard

518
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:13,100
for shipping I can't meet that to provide for my family I definitely think that that should be

519
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:18,120
considered. So I don't know how you would write that up if everybody agreed. But I think one

520
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:24,480
off should be have a standalone. Is this a real hardship for you? I don't know how

521
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,840
do we go about proving that, but I'm going to say and I think it should be not necessarily

522
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,520
for developed neighborhoods. Each parent stands on its own merit. Now there are four

523
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:36,060
standards for a variance which are dictated by state statute. We did not create the standards

524
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:40,380
that was written in state enabling, planning, and legislation. So in order for our BCA to

525
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:44,620
actually consider approving a variance, the applicant has to prove those four standards.

526
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,260
Basically, what this is stating is somebody cannot come in and use those four standards and

527
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:54,640
use financial issues with each one of them to try to prove why he or she needs that relief.

528
00:57:55,660 --> 00:58:01,300
Like Councilman Phillips said, it may be too topography, it may be an issue with the existing

529
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:02,020
road structure.

530
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:04,860
It may be a corner lot which is throwing off a setback or something.

531
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:10,040
But, again, staff, when we go to a variance request, we are neutral.

532
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:12,300
A variance request is like a court flaw.

533
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,620
This requires I judicial board.

534
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:16,140
They treat those each request like it's a court.

535
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,320
We do not offer any recommendations.

536
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:20,180
We do not offer suggestions.

537
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:22,320
We basically state the facts and the facts only.

538
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:29,940
So this is really up to the applicant to provide those standards and what he or she thinks, how

539
00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:30,900
they are meeting those standards.

540
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:32,700
and I had

541
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:22,330
a lot of phone calls from different ones and some of it on the

542
00:59:22,330 --> 00:59:27,250
variances and this may not only be just a varance request but it's on you know

543
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:32,050
erosion control and opening up a blend you know say they're about 50 acres are

544
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:38,650
let's just say 60 acres and we said our policy says you can open up 30 acres okay

545
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:46,690
there has to be a per case study too that it may take that other 30 acres to

546
00:59:46,690 --> 00:59:52,210
make it calls feasible to open up the first because at the top of the land they may have

547
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:58,690
to move the dirt from that other acres to that previous 30 acres so they're going to need

548
00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:58,950
it.

549
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,320
Ability from our staff and the BZA to be able to look at all of that, to make the cost effectiveness to them plus the people who are going to buy the homes and everything to come in to play without them having to go out invited to bring in there and level it out when they can go in and pool the dirt. So we have to look at that too. And I've looked all, I've looked outside of South Carolina, you know,

550
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,580
on some different things.

551
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:37,800
And I told you some of the ways I'm looking and it's crazy how you have to really look

552
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,140
at that.

553
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:43,500
And I think we have to be willing to look at some of that stuff and that's going to

554
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:48,920
drive the cost of, cost down, you know, because we're allowing them to use what they have,

555
01:00:49,220 --> 01:00:54,320
what they purchase to fund something that they don't have to go out and buy because they

556
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,000
already got it.

557
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:03,580
So this, this is a good point and it kind of feeds into the land development manual conversations, not, not so much a BZA conversation or a variance.

558
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,260
But someone to go to a BZA format.

559
01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:10,840
Some of it could, yes, exactly, but I know that, I know I'm doing revisiting the land development.

560
01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:20,780
You're side of the county, my side of the county, two totally different topographies, two totally different sets of needs as far as the clearing and erosion, et cetera, et cetera.

561
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:24,460
So I think that needs to be considered too, but that's something for the Land Development

562
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:25,440
Manual rewrite.

563
01:01:25,940 --> 01:01:30,120
We're working on, and I have to count some wetstone, we're actually looking to some avenues

564
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,600
for some cut and feel to allow for infrastructure as not part of the limits of disturbance.

565
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,220
So we're working on those revisions now to Land Development Manual.

566
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,960
Hopefully with the next month or two, we'll have some initial conversations with Council

567
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,300
on some of those proposed changes.

568
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,600
Just the difference between zoning and land development and land development manual by State

569
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,620
statute, their appeal body is planning commission, but the way we have our set up is we have

570
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:55,360
a two-step process if they seek relief.

571
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,600
If it's a land development stormwater related issue, it goes to our stormwater advisory

572
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,200
board first.

573
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:06,520
If our swab determines it's not an issue with our environmental program, it's not an negligence

574
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,160
to our environment, they'll make a recommendation to planning commission, then it goes back

575
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,020
forth planning commission for those folks to basically hear the full request.

576
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:19,280
So we do have some some a different set of standards for for those type of

577
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,240
variances, but one thing to your point is currently the way the the 20 acres

578
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,320
reads for residential, you cannot exceed the 20 acres.

579
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,540
There's no variance or or allowance to go above that at this time.

580
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,980
So that's one thing staff is we really we really need to look into that

581
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:40,440
because of that that aspect of they may need to rob their other piece of

582
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,700
properties to me. They call it the cutting field.

583
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:48,900
The film method of it, you know, they may have to do that to make it more feasible on

584
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:54,900
in the in-run and they're not going and hauling all and you look at it in multiple ways.

585
01:02:55,160 --> 01:03:02,300
You're going and putting these big dump trucks with thousands of pounds of field dirt on our

586
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:08,400
roads that are already in disaster's shape. So that's just hurting it even more. So we're

587
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,720
are killing two birds with one stone in that theory.

588
01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:13,860
So that is something that we may need to look at.

589
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:16,640
It's got something very soon.

590
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,580
Circle back again, I agree with what you said

591
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:21,880
about a single lot of various is that

592
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:25,970
particularly in an established neighborhood

593
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:26,930
that you're gonna have a lot,

594
01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:29,190
it's there's deemed non-developable

595
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:31,970
because I can't meet the standard, okay?

596
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:35,510
So, but again, on the very front end of this,

597
01:03:36,190 --> 01:03:40,970
and we've hearted on the not being able to save the trees.

598
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:46,570
We've hearted on the ability that we've got excess storm water runoff.

599
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:49,710
Well, the way the lands laid today, God made it that way.

600
01:03:50,010 --> 01:03:52,990
And if the water has been running that way for a million years,

601
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:56,610
it can probably continue to run that way and be just fine

602
01:03:56,610 --> 01:04:01,570
if we allow it to be able to develop them in and around it.

603
01:04:01,570 --> 01:04:09,390
And when you go in and our standards and it's just no fault of anybody's other than maybe this side of the room and not that side.

604
01:04:10,070 --> 01:04:15,430
But when you make somebody have a detention pond that you're going to cut down 24 trees that are

605
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:21,110
two foot across, that goes contrary to everything we complain about, right?

606
01:04:21,810 --> 01:04:27,050
Try to figure out how to save those areas and be able to get an invariant to design that.

607
01:04:27,050 --> 01:04:30,270
And it does have to have retention detention.

608
01:04:30,550 --> 01:04:31,630
There's no getting around that.

609
01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:35,850
But if you got a development that you can build 150 homes

610
01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:37,930
and I would, if you'll let me work

611
01:04:37,930 --> 01:04:40,570
with the existing toefoil, I'm only gonna build 75.

612
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:44,330
I think everybody wins in that scenario.

613
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:46,710
I would love to get to a point where we,

614
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:47,790
and we've talked about this a lot,

615
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:49,850
where we're developing based on topography

616
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:51,090
and not clear cutting.

617
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:51,610
Right.

618
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:52,690
Not clear cutting.

619
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:55,630
I think there's some discussion about that now

620
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:59,710
And in what some people in the development business look at they say that's going backwards

621
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,400
Because I can remember many years ago in the early 90s, late 80s, early 90s all the way up and through, up to 2000. Most of the developments, they had roads put in place, had underground service, and all the lots were wooded. So everybody had to pull an additional, each permit to clear each lot. And it did what you just said, it just constantly kept the trucks in and out of the damn roads.

622
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:34,000
and it destroys those roads they don't want to finish them because they know

623
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,280
they're going to get destroyed because if they try to finish them and they get

624
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,960
destroyed they got to redo them to turn them over right because they got to

625
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:48,240
stand our test for 24 months and the long run it makes for a sustainable

626
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,240
neighborhood that's much more appealing and if I understand what Ty's saying and

627
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,360
but Scott said as well it takes us back to being more business-friendly allowing

628
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,640
people to make good business decisions here in the county.

629
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,320
Which, yeah, you're correct, and you're correct, and you're correct, you're correct.

630
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:10,380
But it also leads us to back to our basic management practices.

631
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,880
We've got to increase our BMP.

632
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,360
If we ever get to this point, there our BMP can't be what our BMP is now.

633
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,180
Well, the big thing we do with Darrell is what you're talking about is, there's no bite in

634
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:24,840
that BMP.

635
01:06:25,180 --> 01:06:25,400
Right, right.

636
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,140
And you know, we've discussed this for a year.

637
01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:27,660
How many times?

638
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,360
So our BMP has got to increase.

639
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,000
And then we also, we discussed this seven or eight years ago.

640
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:34,680
And if we're getting so into the weeds,

641
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:36,720
it will never get an ordinance written.

642
01:06:37,580 --> 01:06:40,240
But we do have to look at the sociability of the soul

643
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,020
that we're working on.

644
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:41,600
Absolutely.

645
01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:45,360
You know, we have to understand that you can put a hose

646
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,260
in my yard right now.

647
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,360
I promise you and cut it on them.

648
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,480
And I won't get a puddle in my house.

649
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,900
and put it in her house, and you're about to leave it out.

650
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,280
And I think you're probably about medium-day.

651
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:00,960
A little bit about that.

652
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:05,640
So when we do our common sense due diligence,

653
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,080
I hope that we look at our BMP policy.

654
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:12,600
I hope that we look at our TOPO policy, which we would

655
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:13,860
have discussed a lot.

656
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,600
And we hope we look in a compassionate to people

657
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,900
who own personal property.

658
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:27,360
And there is some, there will be some burden of financial on some of those people whose parents

659
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:34,160
who passed, who've left the house or who parents are getting older and want to build

660
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:41,120
a house beside the parent who's getting older, that may have to have some, some variances.

661
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,760
And that's where I was going with that, I mean I do think and I think we all agree that

662
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:52,120
But if you find yourself in that situation, then there has to be the ability for them

663
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:56,840
to seek a variance on a financial hardship alone by itself.

664
01:07:57,980 --> 01:08:00,920
State statute, they still have to meet the fourth standard for a variance.

665
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,620
The financial hardship for a loan could be a-

666
01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:06,460
So you're doing the state statute would prohibit that?

667
01:08:07,220 --> 01:08:11,380
You have to meet all four standards of a variance to be considered for a variance.

668
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:16,740
But this language here, a financial hardship alone, the way it's

669
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,960
worded could give them a little flexibility if they needed to utilize that as part of their defense.

670
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,900
So in your opinion, I've worded it that way, it gives the BZA.

671
01:08:29,020 --> 01:08:33,220
Just states that financial hardship alone cannot be used. It doesn't say it cannot be used

672
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:37,420
period. It says alone, it cannot be used. But you cannot use that as a basis for a complete variance.

673
01:08:37,540 --> 01:08:42,020
It has to meet the fourth standards. The fourth standards has to be made more time or what?

674
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,000
You'll make me dig them out.

675
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,520
Please look at that up there, Darrell. The thing is, is that I don't know that you want to

676
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,320
grant a variant anyway on financial burden alone because, again,

677
01:08:58,970 --> 01:09:00,110
if you don't have a

678
01:09:00,110 --> 01:09:08,390
difference of what has been put in policy, because it's more expensive for me to comply,

679
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:16,530
he would be lined up to say it's more expensive. I would say there'd have to be a way too.

680
01:09:16,530 --> 01:09:26,490
So you've got to be able to move a setback or either the topography or there may be a huge

681
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:29,930
boulder that does not permit you to come here.

682
01:09:30,290 --> 01:09:34,690
I want to hear the four hands on the solo mirror just because the board will rule on this

683
01:09:34,690 --> 01:09:37,870
property does not mean those same standards are going to plot to another piece of property.

684
01:09:38,310 --> 01:09:41,670
Four standards are extraordinary and exceptional conditions pertain to the particular piece

685
01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:42,150
of property.

686
01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:49,590
These conditions do not generally apply to other properties within the vicinity because

687
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:53,050
these conditions the application of the ordinance a particular piece of property would

688
01:09:53,050 --> 01:09:58,550
have fatal prohibit or unreasonably restricted utilization of the property and the authorization

689
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:59,830
Some events will not be a substantial

690
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:22,600
Council, fingerprint, to adjacent property, or to the public good and the character of the district will not be harmed by the granting of the variance. Those are the four standards which are verbatim from state statute. What's the state statute number? What's the state statute number? Have that. Can we snip it that? Can you snip it that and send it to us? Well, I don't have to write it all down right now. Okay.

691
01:10:26,540 --> 01:10:31,140
Last piece I have for today is we've been going through

692
01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:36,240
The concurrency requirements concurrency is now included within the body of 2317.

693
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:41,760
In order for us to perceive a concurrency, we've created a draft policy procedure which

694
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,700
I'm going to read this basically verbatim to everybody today.

695
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:52,560
We've worked with staff, administration, the folks who will be reviewing projects for concurrency.

696
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:59,440
Just as a reminder, it goes to law enforcement, fire, EMS, solid waste management, all which

697
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:04,220
presented their standards or their matrices for concurrence review. Public school districts

698
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:11,560
by law cannot accept children as far as their allowances in school districts. So we developed

699
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:16,980
a questionnaire that will provide each school district for them to provide us feedback

700
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:21,600
and as part of their feedback I'll include that in our draft policies and procedures.

701
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,820
So basically we start out for item one, zoning applications with a zoning plan, preliminary

702
01:11:27,820 --> 01:11:32,680
of platter engineering plans for qualifying land use activities as reference to 1146 that

703
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,960
gives you the list of the activities we look at for concurrence review are logged in and

704
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,320
basically track like any other project we have in our system.

705
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:42,640
They're directed to our zoning

706
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,780
administrator, our zoning administrator review these to ensure all other standards are met such as

707
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:53,880
setbacks density, allowed land uses. If it is a preliminary platter, we'll continue with those

708
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,500
plan reviews as we go through our concurrency. So preliminary platter, for example, will come in,

709
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:02,140
It will be red line for subdivision, it will go to zoning for their red lines, open space

710
01:12:02,140 --> 01:12:06,440
for their red lines, addressing then lastly it will go to engineering where it is kind

711
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:08,880
of a whole pattern till they get their full engineering plans in.

712
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:11,060
So we will continue the reviews on those.

713
01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:22,660
Once the zoning, say one more time, what actually triggers a preliminary plan, a individual

714
01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:27,440
zoning submittal for zoning review or an engineering review, they are meeting their full engineering

715
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,020
plans for a new subdivision.

716
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:30,780
A full set of engineering plans.

717
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,040
We have in on this all one of those.

718
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,280
Most of them are preliminary flats or separate zoning

719
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,260
submittals for our review.

720
01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:39,420
But that would trigger if they had none of the other two items.

721
01:12:42,460 --> 01:12:44,360
So once we get the comments,

722
01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:47,460
and the zoning administrator determines

723
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:49,120
hey, everything else is compliance,

724
01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:52,740
we'll provide the information via email

725
01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:54,220
to all the HC's organizations.

726
01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:56,000
It's to include the name of the project,

727
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,320
the location of the project to include the address,

728
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:03,400
nearest intersection and tax map to propose land use project acreage told

729
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,860
number of lots and dwellings electronic copy of the development plan and for

730
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:09,600
school districts will provide that questionnaire.

731
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:12,790
Departments and agencies

732
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:15,910
that will be contacted and emerging medical services fire service, solid waste

733
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:19,690
management public school districts and law enforcement on each apartment

734
01:13:19,690 --> 01:13:22,990
agency shall review based upon their matrices that are previously provided to

735
01:13:22,990 --> 01:13:26,390
council. Again the local school districts will have a questionnaire they will

736
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:34,550
provide to us. Where are these matrices? These are the ones that Public's EMS, Fire Service,

737
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:39,790
Solid Waste Management presented publicly to Council. Yes, I'm going to be able to

738
01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:40,170
website.

739
01:13:42,970 --> 01:13:47,010
Each department agency will have 20 working days based on our normal working schedule

740
01:13:47,010 --> 01:13:51,990
to review the proposed development plans. Each agency will return their findings to either the zoning

741
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:55,690
administrator or the department head and shall confirm if they have adequate public facilities and

742
01:13:55,690 --> 01:13:57,870
services to support the proposed development.

743
01:13:58,390 --> 01:14:02,230
If a response does not receive within 20 working days, it would be presumed that there's

744
01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:06,610
no issues providing adequate public facilities or services from that entity.

745
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:11,450
We will have the ability to grant extensions if there are unforeseen circumstances.

746
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:17,470
Again, a disaster, heavy workload, et cetera, so we do have the ability to grant extensions.

747
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:23,150
Once we get the information back from the school district, the Zoning Administrator Department

748
01:14:23,150 --> 01:14:25,970
here, we're going to present the school district's response to the planning commission.

749
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:30,330
The planning commission will make a recommended action to county council within the committee

750
01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:30,730
of the whole.

751
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:35,250
Council act as the final arbitrator for public school concurrency based upon the submitted

752
01:14:35,250 --> 01:14:39,350
questionnaire and planning commission's recommendation and all motions must pass via

753
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:40,130
majority vote.

754
01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:45,250
All findings are sent to the applicant of developer and writing to include information from

755
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:47,310
the entities that may have been have denied their proposal.

756
01:14:48,030 --> 01:14:52,510
The developer and applicant will have 30 days from the day of the notice of appeal to appeal decision

757
01:14:52,510 --> 01:14:56,410
the Planning Commission who will provide a recommendation of the appeal to Council.

758
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:59,830
Again, we're utilizing the Planning Commission as the appeal and recommend.

759
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,280
Planning body, back to council.

760
01:15:03,530 --> 01:15:31,410
In the event, the part register states they do not have adequate resources, service, proposed development, the planning commission and council act as the appeals body. In these instances, the zoning administrator department here will provide the findings to planning commission, the department registry, which has denied the application along with the developer slash applicant should also attend and participate in the appeal process. If the planning commission votes to recommend that county council consider the appeal, staff will present the recommendation to county council in the committee of the whole.

761
01:15:31,410 --> 01:15:36,370
If the Planning Commission denies the appeal it cannot proceed further, please note that

762
01:15:36,370 --> 01:15:39,590
the applicant and developer may appeal the Planning Commission's decision to circuit

763
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:43,210
court within 30 days of the final voter decision as final and due process.

764
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:47,350
Planning Commission should take consideration and council should have the authority to grant

765
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:52,130
extensions, exceptions, to the now based on facts to include new proposed public facilities

766
01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:56,930
within the area or the ability of the developer to demonstrate a lesser impact within the

767
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:57,210
area.

768
01:15:57,210 --> 01:16:00,330
All motions again shall pass with the majority of vote.

769
01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:06,470
If revised plans are submitted, they'll be submitted and reviewed in the same process

770
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:07,450
as a new submittal.

771
01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:12,630
Previous denied developments shall be allowed to resummit for concurrence review in 90 days

772
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:16,730
following the final decision from the Planning Commission, County Council, which everybody

773
01:16:16,730 --> 01:16:21,250
makes the final decision for the project, forget through the review process again.

774
01:16:21,250 --> 01:16:28,110
one thing the staff will work with with fire service and EMS is to work to get

775
01:16:28,110 --> 01:16:33,790
their EMS regions with the that fall below the 80th percentile and the fire

776
01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:39,070
departments that have very high or extremely high call volumes. We want to

777
01:16:39,070 --> 01:16:43,230
work those within our one-matte system so that information is available to the

778
01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:48,930
public and the developers. It is not feasible to update this weekly or monthly. Our

779
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:52,350
goals to work with those folks and update that data, at least quarterly, on our website

780
01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:54,170
so we'll have that data readily available.

781
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:59,650
Keeping mine concurrency is a relatively unknown state of South Carolina.

782
01:17:00,050 --> 01:17:04,350
Our planning and even legislation basically states that we can have an adequate public facilities

783
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:05,050
type ordinance.

784
01:17:05,690 --> 01:17:07,390
Beyond that, there's no real guidelines.

785
01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:14,710
Other states, other areas, state of Florida, they have state statute that basically regulated

786
01:17:14,710 --> 01:17:18,890
and required concurrency for a certain period of time, but they still have guidelines with

787
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:22,730
than their statute to allow locations

788
01:17:22,730 --> 01:17:24,350
or local governments to use concurrency

789
01:17:24,350 --> 01:17:25,750
within certain standards.

790
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:29,090
There's certain areas in Maryland

791
01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:30,330
who use concurrency.

792
01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:32,950
The thing we have researched and we have noticed

793
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:35,410
is a lot of those have entities

794
01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:36,670
have capital improvement plans

795
01:17:36,670 --> 01:17:38,090
of concurrency is not met.

796
01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:40,010
There's a means for those entities

797
01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:42,070
to mitigate their deficiencies.

798
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:46,090
They can either supply funding

799
01:17:46,090 --> 01:17:48,290
to ensure that their capital improvement plans

800
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:55,610
are being implemented to assist that development, or the governing body can elect

801
01:17:55,610 --> 01:17:59,170
or state, hey, we know we've got additional facilities coming within a certain

802
01:17:59,170 --> 01:18:02,330
time frame, bring this back to us within one, two, three years, where

803
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:08,070
their time frame is. So those other entities have some type of mitigation avenues

804
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:10,710
available for, for those that do not currently mean that.

805
01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:20,270
I studied the Florida one and the Maryland one and they have positive thoughts on the concurrency.

806
01:18:20,450 --> 01:18:25,570
They like the idea of the concurrency but as you said it's such a new thing and there's so

807
01:18:25,570 --> 01:18:32,650
many gray areas about it that they can't say if it is a positive influence or a negative influence.

808
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:37,490
They're still in the middle on it. It's positive in their aspects on their police,

809
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:43,610
peace, their fire, and their EMS, because they can look at those and figure out how to move

810
01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:50,570
around things. But as far as on their schools and their sanitation, they can't because one

811
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:55,170
school's the state and the federal government is not going to let them say that they can't

812
01:18:55,170 --> 01:19:01,110
take people. So that is almost, in their opinion, that's almost a rule out. On the sanitation

813
01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:05,950
side of it, you're going to have trash no matter what. So you have to take it so they pretty

814
01:19:05,950 --> 01:19:12,130
much rule that out like in Lexington we've got over 200 years of sanitation right now that

815
01:19:12,130 --> 01:19:17,050
we can take and I know of right now there's a large large piece of property is being

816
01:19:17,050 --> 01:19:23,150
looked at for a possible C and D. They'd add another 100 years to C and D. So you're talking

817
01:19:23,150 --> 01:19:29,070
about 300 years there. So those are two things that you really have to consider that they

818
01:19:29,070 --> 01:19:35,590
They may be processes, two processes that we're going to put into this that aren't really

819
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:37,250
going to benefit us too much.

820
01:19:37,250 --> 01:19:42,730
It's just going to tie up time with two entities that really can't tell you no.

821
01:19:44,130 --> 01:19:44,970
So do you really?

822
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:49,090
But what they can't provide you is whether or not their school is currently over capacity

823
01:19:49,090 --> 01:19:50,210
based on the numbers.

824
01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:53,490
But are they truly going to do that because are they calculated?

825
01:19:53,850 --> 01:19:55,850
How are they calculating them?

826
01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:59,750
What's got to say is true because I don't know how they calculate in the nest.

827
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,700
The State of Florida says is, how are they truly calculating because their capacity is only by what they deem it is because they can always add on at any time with portables and stuff like that. And the State of Florida does not consider that as being a downside to their school because they build, they build what they can afford and then they don't consider that as a downside.

828
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:39,420
If I might comment, trying to do some studying as much as I could as well, concurrency in

829
01:20:39,420 --> 01:20:46,320
Florida, my understanding was a statewide mandate, and it was done for water, quality

830
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,700
and waste water, period across the whole state.

831
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:56,480
Counties were allowed to use other things for concurrency if needed, but the difference

832
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:01,120
and what I feel like we're doing or saying and maybe I'm missing something, so forgive

833
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:06,900
me if I am. But if we said, well, we just don't have such and such over here, the state

834
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:10,420
would say, that's fine. You've got this many days. Tell us how you're going to fix it.

835
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:17,360
The ball was in our court to fix it, not to tell the developer or whomever. You can't

836
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,620
do that. We would say you can't do this today, but we had to give them a, they have to give

837
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:24,540
of them a timeframe of when they'll be able to do it.

838
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,220
Meaning, we'll fix it, cap that capital construction

839
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:30,380
or whatever plan, your comprehensive plan.

840
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:31,500
How are you gonna fix it?

841
01:21:31,540 --> 01:21:32,720
That's what the state would say to them

842
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,340
before they could even implement concurrency.

843
01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:37,000
Right, that's the resolution, not the problem.

844
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:37,900
How are you gonna fix it?

845
01:21:38,180 --> 01:21:40,240
Not, not, hey, we can't do this anymore,

846
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,540
but it was more about that, that sounds great

847
01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:44,900
and we understand you can't do it today,

848
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,580
but when are you gonna fix that problem for your area?

849
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,800
Well, we're on the right path,

850
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:57,100
but if we're going to, we've got a good idea, we've got a good thing going and we've initiated a good process

851
01:21:58,060 --> 01:22:00,920
but we have to make sure that we do it right the first time.

852
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:07,340
Right. The positive with concurrency is whenever you do involve those other services,

853
01:22:07,340 --> 01:22:15,140
it's a heads up. A, we're going to, hey, Lexington District, whatever, did you know that this potentially

854
01:22:15,140 --> 01:22:19,640
might come in your area and they may or may not have any idea about it so it will give them the

855
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:26,440
ability to plan to add portables or to create a plan to add on to their school or whatever

856
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:29,720
that they need to do to service that future.

857
01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:34,700
And then you have to play, you have to play the devil's advocate in it too and Glenn knows

858
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:36,720
he sat on one for a long time.

859
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:42,580
Are they really going to tell you what their plans are because they don't want to leak it

860
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:46,540
out to the public of where they might be about to buy some land because then the public is

861
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:47,720
going to have a feel.

862
01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:49,660
Well, you're right.

863
01:22:49,940 --> 01:22:53,500
And the other thing that I think that I, that I just want to see us do it right, that

864
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:57,200
I already remember reading, especially about the school districts, was really very eye-opening

865
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,720
for me was that a particular school, if we say, hey, we're thinking a development is going

866
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:02,160
to come over here.

867
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:04,720
What does this particular school look like for capacity?

868
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:09,560
Well, this school of here might really be at capacity, but the school down the road is not,

869
01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:12,020
so they just need to redraw their district lines.

870
01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:16,840
Well, it has nothing to do with the fact that the district as a whole is busting at the scenes.

871
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:21,640
It's just pockets of schools that they just need to adjust and the state was saying they'll

872
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,940
adjust your allowance. That may be what happened to you. Yeah, I will tell you in Florida though,

873
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:33,380
there's one school district per county in Florida. Yeah, and they, and I lived there for 10 years

874
01:23:33,380 --> 01:23:40,080
and they redraw lines whenever they need to. All the time. That's right. They don't wait on a particular

875
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,360
or anything, that's when I bought my second house.

876
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,640
This was a school we were in for within six months.

877
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:47,980
That was a school we were in for.

878
01:23:47,980 --> 01:23:50,340
And they don't just build schools left and right.

879
01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:52,100
I mean, I was born and raised there.

880
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:53,180
They moved it to school.

881
01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:57,560
I went to high school in, was probably 40 or 50 years old

882
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:58,420
when I went to it.

883
01:23:58,580 --> 01:24:01,700
And it's still the same school now with portables

884
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:02,500
and add-ons.

885
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:08,120
I was just gonna say, when we met with the school districts,

886
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:13,140
They absolutely said we can't say no. That's right. This is not our purview. We can't

887
01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:21,220
We do like the idea is Charlie was saying no one wants to come in and that for planning purposes and so forth

888
01:24:21,220 --> 01:24:25,440
But they just absolutely couldn't say no now. They did work with us to help

889
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:30,780
Create this questionnaire for input because they wanted input right and then and they do you know

890
01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:32,640
They want to they want to be able to

891
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:37,980
To to answer the questionnaire and so they know what's coming planning and that kind of stuff and but

892
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:44,400
Yeah, they can't say not. You're right. Yeah. I don't think we will ever get the school districts to tell us like it is.

893
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:50,400
I just don't think it. I think they've got six different school districts five.

894
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:55,520
If five different powers, it'd be five different assistants, five different, whatever.

895
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,920
another change of policy here just recently where they would have

896
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:28,660
Labor ties the tax map number that they were going to be looking at. They now taken that out now. So they've advertised are looking for a piece of property according to my sources in my neck of the woods for another high school. They've approved to go ahead and look for that piece of property. But it's no tax back map numbers. So do I think what we're doing is a waste of time. No, I don't think it's a waste of time. I think we have to get a currency.

897
01:25:28,660 --> 01:25:34,780
But do I think the school boards are going to be directing and straight up with the council?

898
01:25:35,260 --> 01:25:37,480
Not my seven and a half years or haven't been.

899
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:41,900
Well, I think what we do is what Charlie said is we communicate better with them.

900
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,820
Give them, give them more of a heads up of what could come.

901
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,440
But if we stop it because of fire or stop it because of something else,

902
01:25:48,540 --> 01:25:49,580
then it's really not coming.

903
01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:51,020
Yeah.

904
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:58,640
But if we don't have a plan of, hey, developer, give us X number of months or whatever until we can provide this or provide that.

905
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:04,920
But we're the ones at least from the state of Florida what I read it wasn't that concurrency stopped

906
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:11,280
anything concurrency gave the county instruction of what you got to do to make it better it wasn't you

907
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:16,820
know and that was how Maryland was too it kind of gave them a guidelines of you're not going to stop it

908
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:24,400
but this is how you fix it that's right go ahead Todd all right I think the school stuff got beat up

909
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,240
but we need to put them over the side.

910
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,520
As Robbie, just a few questions about what we actually

911
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,940
all have to do on our side.

912
01:26:35,860 --> 01:26:39,660
And primarily is the fire EMS law enforcement part of it.

913
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:45,340
And when I'm reading in item seven, and I guess this

914
01:26:45,340 --> 01:26:45,700
is the

915
01:26:48,230 --> 01:26:50,690
party has turned down from a development

916
01:26:50,690 --> 01:26:54,830
because whatever entity says that we

917
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:56,490
can't adequately supply the service.

918
01:26:56,490 --> 01:27:26,370
So it says, planning commission shall take into consideration and counsels will have authority to grant exceptions to the denial based on facts to include new proposed public facilities within the area or the ability of the developer to demonstrate a lesser impact within the area which would mean if they gave a 500 like development to us and said, look, we just can't support it no matter who says that, whether it's our EMS chief, our fire chief,

919
01:27:26,370 --> 01:27:40,410
share of whoever, right? So they would come in and say, okay, I've got to reduce it to what number because that's what I'm reading that's what that tells me to a lesser impact within the area.

920
01:27:41,290 --> 01:27:54,970
So, would we use a formula of some such to say that although this piece of property could support 500 lot development based upon all the standards of which we have today.

921
01:27:54,970 --> 01:28:03,370
and it fits just like it should. However, because we don't have the ability to provide the service or we say we don't,

922
01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:11,730
by some formula I'm guessing, will that be used to determine exactly how many homes could be done,

923
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:19,450
meaning that you could break that development up in two phases now, where it's not a one phase one,

924
01:28:19,450 --> 01:28:26,470
500 light development it now becomes a 250 or 300 light development phase one. And then

925
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:32,910
the second part of that question is this it says to also that to include new proposed

926
01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:38,370
public facilities and I think that's going to go back. Well, Debbie's been saying all

927
01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:43,710
along this happened in Florida is this in order for you to do that development and

928
01:28:46,300 --> 01:28:46,580
you tell

929
01:28:46,580 --> 01:28:53,040
me I can't because I don't have enough fire coverage or EMS coverage or or law enforcement coverage.

930
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:00,720
So is that going to put us in a position we've got to say when we're going to improve these

931
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:06,580
facilities to allow them to improve the land? Because we can't, I don't think we can hold it

932
01:29:06,580 --> 01:29:12,600
indefinitely, right? The first question is I've got two different variations on that.

933
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:24,560
One, I would presume that when fire EMS law enforcement saw a way to do their reviews, is based on their reviews, they already have some type of threshold of mind on what they can accommodate and what they cannot.

934
01:29:25,380 --> 01:29:31,600
And I believe that can be used as a means for the developer to potentially go back and redesign that to fall within that threshold.

935
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:41,640
Two, it also is a means for the developer to come in and prove that he or she has a unique type of development that the traffic generation will not be as bad.

936
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,860
a live work play where everything is right there is one, maybe not a pub, but a mixed

937
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:46,540
use development.

938
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,540
Or an age restricted type development where the vehicles are not as, there's not any

939
01:29:51,540 --> 01:29:53,920
vehicles on the road, there's not as many houses or whatnot.

940
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:59,320
Maybe put that back in the developer's furbues and say, okay, prove to us why this is not

941
01:29:59,320 --> 01:29:59,980
going to have a big impact.

942
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,240
In fact, in this area is another several hundred lots of division. So I think it's twofold there.

943
01:30:05,980 --> 01:30:13,100
As for the public entities, to me, that is a means of state that, okay, we know a public

944
01:30:13,660 --> 01:30:18,100
facility is coming. I'll use the West Region Service Center. So the West Region Service

945
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:24,900
Center comes, we can anticipate that we'll have a better response time for EMS, a better

946
01:30:24,900 --> 01:30:30,840
response time or less recall by fire, it does not give a time frame on how long it takes

947
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:35,200
to construct that because we were in a different time process to make sure we procure all that

948
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:36,000
and constructed.

949
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,400
But that gives, does give the applicant an option to say, okay, we know that's coming,

950
01:30:41,340 --> 01:30:45,620
they can monitor situation or the planning commission or a councilman to say, okay, once

951
01:30:45,620 --> 01:30:50,200
that's constructed, then potentially we can allow for your development as being asked.

952
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:57,760
I stopped right there. So if we would have a submission that a decision may be made that we don't

953
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:04,440
have adequate services and we're going to build a fire station slash EMS service center.

954
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:13,780
And this is where I think the rub is going to be created. It's not the fact that you're going to go

955
01:31:13,780 --> 01:31:23,000
through the concurrency review process. It's going to be whoever the first one is or the second one.

956
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:31,520
It's turned down and said, okay, you can't, you get the full utilization of this piece

957
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:36,280
of property according to our current building standards and zoning.

958
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:41,320
You meet all the density requirements, you meet all the zoning, you meet everything

959
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,920
other than the fact that we've had someone that said we can't provide public services.

960
01:31:46,940 --> 01:31:50,120
So the question is going to be is, so when can you?

961
01:31:51,020 --> 01:31:59,240
And if we're saying that when the West Region Service Center is constructed, we're going

962
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:06,400
on four years now, five years, we're going on five years to the point of where we may,

963
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,620
we may, I may be speaking out a term, but I'm guessing hopefully we're going to get some

964
01:32:11,620 --> 01:32:12,760
funding soon.

965
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:24,040
We're going to get full funding in five years time, so 60 months is surpassed before

966
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,540
I've got the funding and then I've got a year of construction.

967
01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:35,900
So I'm 72 months out before you're going to be able to get the full utilization of your

968
01:32:36,440 --> 01:32:36,960
property.

969
01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:41,260
Is that what we're really going to be in a position to say?

970
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:50,300
And again, that's just because of what guidance we have with our enabling legislation.

971
01:32:50,980 --> 01:32:53,000
We have very little guidance on what it says.

972
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,240
And again, this is a very unique concept.

973
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,480
So we're trying to put together some policies, procedures to get this going.

974
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:12,220
We've got, I'll be honest, we've got 20 projects back locked since October waiting on concurrence review, so we're trying to provide at least a means of methods to do a review on these to get these going.

975
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,060
But again, I think 20 projects.

976
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:32,580
I can get you the numbers but again the just of this is to create some policy procedures

977
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:38,440
to give them some avenues if they do not meet if we fit a finite failure that we cannot

978
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:43,660
provide adequate public facilities and again I think it kind of like our other appeal

979
01:33:47,260 --> 01:33:47,780
the bill.

980
01:33:48,980 --> 01:33:53,660
I'm going to be very scenarios and circumstances.

981
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,000
Each one of them has to be reviewed upon.

982
01:33:56,060 --> 01:33:58,600
The bottom line is the appeal comes back to the body.

983
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:00,520
Land and commission review at first.

984
01:34:00,620 --> 01:34:02,300
And they make their recommendation back to council.

985
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:05,540
The bottom line is the body gets the final say.

986
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:06,400
I get that.

987
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,240
And of course we do.

988
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:08,860
I do.

989
01:34:10,060 --> 01:34:12,440
Even through what we've heard today, I trust our staff.

990
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:13,180
What they tell us.

991
01:34:13,180 --> 01:34:20,280
I mean, it's going to be really difficult process to go through to say staff has denied

992
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:25,160
these folks to be able to do this development, and then turn right around and say, well,

993
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,240
I don't know if I believe them or not, and then you grant the ability to do it.

994
01:34:28,780 --> 01:34:30,620
I'm just trying to, by the way, believe it or not.

995
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,920
I mean, I want to be very careful in how we approach that.

996
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:35,280
I mean, obviously, I don't think we would ever say that.

997
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:36,740
There's the potential for that to happen.

998
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:42,940
But I guess what I'm saying is, is that in that being said, that if there

999
01:34:42,940 --> 01:34:51,920
to be in toll, they're going to have to wait potentially up to 72 months. That's going

1000
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:58,960
to really put a enormous amount of pressure on the governing body to really, say, wait a

1001
01:34:58,960 --> 01:34:59,060
minute.

1002
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:27,480
I think 72 months is reasonable for a development to take place in a specific area. So from a budgetary perspective, I'm going to have to really start hitting some taxes pretty hard or some millies increases to speed up that 72 month process to even get it half in three years. So it's going to put a lot of pressure from a tax increase perspective.

1003
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:41,920
And that's just that's just one service area if they say if fire would be the one to say it or EMS be one to say it so because if you don't go in and budget to make the improvement to provide for the public services.

1004
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:50,740
Then they're going to say I'm being held hostage here because I'm being told I can't but you're doing nothing to improve the situation where I can.

1005
01:35:50,740 --> 01:35:50,880
Yeah.

1006
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:53,740
That's all I'm asking.

1007
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:00,720
And that's just one of the differences that I found and Scott said earlier in Florida and

1008
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:01,580
what we're trying to do.

1009
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:03,520
And it's been 40 years.

1010
01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:06,780
They did their concurrency back in the mid-80s, I believe it was.

1011
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:11,060
But it was just for water quality and the state of Florida is very unique.

1012
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:13,500
And that's why the water was 19.

1013
01:36:13,740 --> 01:36:19,360
But then they granted the concurrency for other scenes, but they had to state what their

1014
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:26,080
plan was to fix the problem. The actual body had to say, we can't do that now but we can

1015
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,900
do it and they had to state how they were going to do it when they were going to do it.

1016
01:36:30,220 --> 01:36:37,720
It had to be approved by the state, not just an individual. So on that with apples to apples,

1017
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:42,960
the other thing that if we're going to study Florida's concurrency of rules and regulations

1018
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:57,520
Does Florida allow impact fees, does Florida allow these other funding mechanisms that then would provide the funding needed to make XYZ changes that would enable concurrency?

1019
01:36:58,060 --> 01:37:09,360
So there are other factors that Florida may have working for them, that we do not have working for us between all of those different areas.

1020
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,780
It has to be careful with implementing something like this that we don't have to issue to.

1021
01:37:12,900 --> 01:37:36,980
I'm sorry, I agree with that, Charlie, but again, the scenario just laid out as if you told you can't do it because you don't have the public facilities and the county says those facilities are going to be available in 72 months, or even 36 months, whatever the number is, how can we effectively stop development in its tracks?

1022
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:41,120
because we said we can't provide this public service.

1023
01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:45,800
So how do you provide, how do you propose to solve that time?

1024
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:48,140
But we've been doing for the last 25 years.

1025
01:37:48,740 --> 01:37:48,840
Okay.

1026
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,000
And our services have been growing as our development has been growing.

1027
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,880
But okay, so think about what you just said.

1028
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,640
Our services have been growing as our development has grown.

1029
01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:58,800
Sure.

1030
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:02,120
But if now somebody says we can't,

1031
01:38:03,380 --> 01:38:05,620
we can't take on another neighborhood, right?

1032
01:38:05,620 --> 01:38:09,280
How do you in good content tell the rest of the communities who live here?

1033
01:38:09,740 --> 01:38:11,440
Well, we're going to push it on through anyway.

1034
01:38:11,860 --> 01:38:12,840
Even though we don't have this.

1035
01:38:13,060 --> 01:38:15,000
I mean, how can you in a good content say that?

1036
01:38:15,180 --> 01:38:16,200
What's the remedy for that?

1037
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,500
In good conscious, I would say to continue to do what I've been doing

1038
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:23,880
because how am I going to tell someone who's paying commercial taxes on property

1039
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,220
in which they have no ability to develop?

1040
01:38:27,780 --> 01:38:28,660
What do I tell them?

1041
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,520
You don't think that if we have concurrency and they know they have to meet these

1042
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:33,920
and we have to have the public services,

1043
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:37,260
is there going to be more selective about buying all of it?

1044
01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:37,960
I know they own it.

1045
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,380
They own it today.

1046
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:40,600
They've owned it for 10 years.

1047
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,040
They bought it yesterday, and they own it right now.

1048
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,880
And they're going to continue paying their taxes year

1049
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,300
and year out with no ability to improve it.

1050
01:38:50,260 --> 01:38:51,340
What do I say to that?

1051
01:38:51,860 --> 01:38:52,280
I don't know.

1052
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,740
I guess what Todd said, too, was this, for instance,

1053
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,660
and the fire services first one that comes to mind,

1054
01:38:57,940 --> 01:38:59,440
we're in better shape today.

1055
01:38:59,540 --> 01:39:02,160
And our fire service, then, we've been in Lexington County

1056
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:03,440
for many, many, many years.

1057
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,880
our ISO rating is wonderful. We did that without concurrency.

1058
01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:11,080
Absolutely. We didn't have the currency, and we accomplished that.

1059
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,300
That's one service, so we've done really good with that. It is, but it took

1060
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,640
strategic planning year after year and budgeting and everything.

1061
01:39:19,860 --> 01:39:23,900
It took a while to get it done, but we did it. I think it's almost fully

1062
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:28,220
staffed. Almost again. And then one more. Yep.

1063
01:39:28,700 --> 01:39:31,380
And yet we still need two service centers that are not complete yet.

1064
01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:36,260
correct. We're bringing forward a plan for the West region and of course we

1065
01:39:36,260 --> 01:39:42,020
have no flight. For another thing is I mean we could set a limit on permit

1066
01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:47,140
numbers per year. We've talked about that. Well I think the concurrency I think

1067
01:39:47,140 --> 01:39:51,220
we're going down the right path with concurrency but I think we need to give

1068
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:56,860
Robby and staff and them enough time being that it is such unused and new

1069
01:39:56,860 --> 01:39:59,880
thing, give them time to really

1070
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:26,520
Police, study it and bring it to us and bring stakeholders to the table and find out, where's the happy median? What can we do? How can we keep our quality of life, our quality of living, provide good services to our citizens? We know growth is not going to stop, like Daryl said. We're not, we're not going to stop developments. It's not going to happen.

1071
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:30,480
But I don't want to interrupt you, but I can tell you how you stop it.

1072
01:40:30,700 --> 01:40:31,600
You absolutely stop it.

1073
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,180
Deadness tracks what I just heard.

1074
01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:36,320
You should go and say I can't provide a vote.

1075
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:36,880
But that's what I'm saying.

1076
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:37,860
We can't do that.

1077
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:44,100
We got to figure out the happy median, and we're going down the right path, but we have to

1078
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:49,740
bring all the fingers together and figure out what is our right path.

1079
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:51,160
We know what Florida does.

1080
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:52,260
We know what Maryland does.

1081
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:56,020
because there's a couple other states that have the options out there.

1082
01:40:56,380 --> 01:40:57,400
Charlie made a good point.

1083
01:40:57,860 --> 01:40:58,820
You have impact fees.

1084
01:40:59,020 --> 01:41:02,340
You have other fees that these other states have that we don't have.

1085
01:41:02,660 --> 01:41:07,000
Unfortunately, Columbia controls are access to a lot of that.

1086
01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:09,440
We've studied impact fees for years.

1087
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:16,520
They've gotten the statute written so strong that we can't hardly do anything with it until

1088
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:17,860
they're willing to change that.

1089
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:31,360
So we just, this is something that we're going to have to put our heads together and it's going to take all nine of us to work together and not against each other on it to come to a good, a good product here and I think we got the staff.

1090
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,120
It was bringing stakeholders to the table.

1091
01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:44,000
Yeah, I mean, we're going to have to bring some stakeholders to the table, you know, but who are the stakeholders, you know, that's going to be something that we're going to have to sit down and figure out who the stakeholders are.

1092
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:54,880
So, the stakeholders are also the people that have been paying taxes for years upon years and living here and dealing with the uncontrolled growth that's happened for years.

1093
01:41:55,580 --> 01:42:07,840
So, when we're looking at concurrency and we're looking at ways to move forward, we're looking at responsible growth for our county, not wider than sustainable, right, not wider than for business.

1094
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:12,320
and some of those stakeholders are sitting at the state house right now that

1095
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:17,980
also need to come to the table and if those developers want us to move forward

1096
01:42:17,980 --> 01:42:22,120
pressure needs to be put. Well that's what I'm talking about maybe everybody needs

1097
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:26,360
to come together and figure out. Allow the county to be able to do the things

1098
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:30,280
that we need to do to be responsible and to be sustainable going forward.

1099
01:42:30,540 --> 01:42:34,600
For talking about one of the fastest growing counties and states in the

1100
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:40,340
country, like any county is among the top ten. I think it's the top three.

1101
01:42:40,540 --> 01:42:45,560
Like six, I think. Anyway, not right now. Hey, we have a we have a impact for

1102
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,480
here. I don't know if you know they're not. Really? Yeah.

1103
01:42:50,620 --> 01:42:52,040
It's called a penny

1104
01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:57,800
sales tax that goes directly in schools. Yeah. Well, that's not our impact.

1105
01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:04,580
I'm

1106
01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:10,920
impact fee to use it towards the school, right? Well, we already have a revenue collection that

1107
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:17,360
goes directly to the school for their bonded debt to pay for their facilities, right? Well, that's

1108
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:23,620
what that impact fee they're using in Fort Meals for. So I mean, the impact fee law is very

1109
01:43:23,620 --> 01:43:29,800
onerous. We went down that path and got really really close before we spent a hundred grand

1110
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:35,320
because it requires you to go in and do a study in a specific area.

1111
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,580
Now, you can do the whole county if you want to, but Jeff's looking at me like,

1112
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:45,620
please be quiet, but you've got to identify all the specific projects

1113
01:43:45,620 --> 01:43:52,760
which you've got to do and you've got this per-rata share type of formula that's in place

1114
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:58,720
and the most we've ever been able to come up with is about a 30% contribution to the total cost.

1115
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:03,780
So that every 70% still going to come from the existing tax base that's here today, not

1116
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:05,000
the new that's paying it.

1117
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:10,640
So they're going to bear the majority of the costs to do the new facility.

1118
01:44:11,500 --> 01:44:13,020
It's a difficult situation.

1119
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:14,560
I don't disagree with that at all.

1120
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:21,020
And the only heartburn I have about the whole process is when someone is told no.

1121
01:44:23,210 --> 01:44:24,450
That's the heartburn.

1122
01:44:24,450 --> 01:44:29,430
And when we look at that, I can see what all we've invested in our public safety services.

1123
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:33,890
I mean, got one of the best EOCs in the entire state of South Carolina.

1124
01:44:34,590 --> 01:44:35,670
Maybe the southeast.

1125
01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:38,050
We invested a ton in that.

1126
01:44:39,530 --> 01:44:43,990
We're working with pay and retention and trying to, we're adding positions.

1127
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:47,310
I mean, how many firefighters we've added in the last five years?

1128
01:44:47,310 --> 01:44:48,730
It's got to be what? 75?

1129
01:44:49,410 --> 01:44:49,990
That's a lot.

1130
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:57,850
Yeah, so I mean if we had to I don't you can't buy am much right now. We were told that a couple weeks ago

1131
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,940
You can't even buy one. If you show up with cash in a brown paper bag, Darryl, I want to buy, I want to buy this brand new car review. Here's the cash in the paper bag. You still can't buy it because it's not existing. But then that says to me that you can't add more bodies for our service that you can't provide because we can't get the equipment. We don't know that we can't provide it. Well, we're relying on them to tell us that. I know the only problem I said in this whole scenario again is when someone's told no.

1132
01:45:28,940 --> 01:45:33,480
and the next question is, okay, I understand that, but when?

1133
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:38,060
And I don't think anybody thinks it's the time frame

1134
01:45:38,060 --> 01:45:40,160
it takes for us to put a facility in place.

1135
01:45:40,340 --> 01:45:42,700
36 months or five years is reasonable.

1136
01:45:44,020 --> 01:45:45,440
But that might be necessary.

1137
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,800
You know, and one thing, I broke the whole county down

1138
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:52,500
and looked at it and everybody in a development follows water

1139
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:52,960
and sewer.

1140
01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:55,880
Layers district, my district can,

1141
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,780
and we control 75% of the land mass.

1142
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,980
Guess what, we don't have much of water and sewer.

1143
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:07,160
So nobody's come in our way really that much.

1144
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,680
They're starting to now because the school districts

1145
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:11,440
had to put in the water and sewer lines.

1146
01:46:11,980 --> 01:46:13,720
So they're following those.

1147
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,500
But when you get out into the bulk of our areas,

1148
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,380
they're not willing to come there,

1149
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:22,600
because nobody's gonna put in 160 septic tanks and wheels.

1150
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,720
Oh, there's one out here in Lexington.

1151
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,180
You know, so how many are there?

1152
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,560
How many was one is a septic and wilk me on windy, windy hill and on.

1153
01:46:30,580 --> 01:46:30,780
Yeah.

1154
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,840
What I'm saying is, you don't see that much.

1155
01:46:32,940 --> 01:46:33,480
That's a anomaly.

1156
01:46:33,660 --> 01:46:33,980
You're right.

1157
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:40,480
So that's what's creating our overpopulation or overgrowth is.

1158
01:46:40,980 --> 01:46:45,680
We don't have the water and sewer in our county that other ones do.

1159
01:46:46,140 --> 01:46:52,380
And nobody seeking the grants that are out there to build the water and sewer out to allow them to follow it out.

1160
01:46:52,380 --> 01:46:59,220
and then we can use our own in regulations to have controlled growth and good growth within

1161
01:46:59,220 --> 01:47:04,340
the county and keep everybody from bundling it up in one place. Scott, you just made a perfect

1162
01:47:04,340 --> 01:47:10,120
example of why the Eastern and Western overlays can work is because you're concentrating the most

1163
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:22,360
dense areas in the county where the most densely and most available utilities are. You don't have it

1164
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:26,560
in 10 years? Those areas are going to expand because that's where the utilities are.

1165
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:30,900
Robin, let me ask you a question. I'm sorry to cut you off, Todd, but we've been on this for a

1166
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:36,200
little bit, so I've got to find a place. I get it. There's those 20 developments that we've got

1167
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:43,940
sitting there that the Albin have been in plots or can you can you send out an email telling us where

1168
01:47:43,940 --> 01:47:47,960
those are located? I mean, I feel like we got to find a way to get rid of that backlog a little bit

1169
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:52,220
and see if there's something we can do as we continue to work on currency. So could you send

1170
01:47:52,220 --> 01:47:53,120
and I don't want to snow.

1171
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:53,840
Yes, ma'am.

1172
01:47:53,940 --> 01:47:56,240
We actually had 23, I just went through 24.

1173
01:47:56,380 --> 01:47:58,920
Four of those actually fall within the Eastern Residential District,

1174
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,440
which currently concurrency does not apply.

1175
01:48:01,700 --> 01:48:01,920
How many?

1176
01:48:02,260 --> 01:48:02,560
Four.

1177
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:03,820
Okay.

1178
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:08,240
So our goal is, our consideration for council is to pull those

1179
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:09,860
and proceed through our normal processes

1180
01:48:09,860 --> 01:48:11,440
since they're in the Eastern Overlay District.

1181
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:11,800
Yeah.

1182
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:12,280
Okay.

1183
01:48:12,580 --> 01:48:15,560
And so that leaves 20 in the rural.

1184
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,860
And I've got, like I give you a list of the tax map numbers,

1185
01:48:19,060 --> 01:48:20,560
the name of the development and number of lots

1186
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,460
and I can get out of that council fairly quickly.

1187
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,620
And Councilman West, on just your point too,

1188
01:48:24,860 --> 01:48:27,100
is you may want one good comment

1189
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:28,460
as most of these other jurisdictions

1190
01:48:28,460 --> 01:48:31,280
who have concurrence or have their own regulations,

1191
01:48:31,580 --> 01:48:32,780
have their own water and sewer departments.

1192
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:34,700
We do not offer a utility department,

1193
01:48:34,860 --> 01:48:36,440
so we have no control over those utilities.

1194
01:48:38,500 --> 01:48:41,580
And everybody's made great points.

1195
01:48:42,820 --> 01:48:45,680
The over building, the over development,

1196
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:47,920
probably doesn't affect Todd,

1197
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:54,580
probably didn't affect clan probably hardly at all probably didn't affect Debbie

1198
01:48:54,580 --> 01:49:02,940
ones that affects are the ones that are really concerned and it affects not you

1199
01:49:02,940 --> 01:49:14,360
yet just coming your way me specifically you specifically and for the public

1200
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:20,520
who's listening. There's not a thing we can do about it because the infrastructure has

1201
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:28,980
not changed in 50 years until the infrastructure changes. We can't do anything and that's

1202
01:49:28,980 --> 01:49:35,620
what we're trying to do and I hope that you put yourself in our shoes where when it used

1203
01:49:35,620 --> 01:49:42,060
to take us you know listen I know life changes, world changes, we all change. When it used

1204
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:45,960
to take me 20 minutes to get to the office and you know when I'm going to the office

1205
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,520
much anymore but now it takes me an hour and 20 minutes to go to the office.

1206
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:56,900
When you relate that to women taking their kids to daycare and to school and it's just

1207
01:49:56,900 --> 01:49:59,520
the frustration level is through the roof.

1208
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:24,780
And it's amazing. I didn't know the 20, the 20 you just mentioned. You said four were in their district. We should just approve those and go on. I think that's a common thing. I'll be willing to bet you. I'll be willing to bet you that 70% of those were in my district. Well, and only that we have some right now that are just coming out of the pipeline. I might take that bet.

1209
01:50:27,020 --> 01:50:31,040
Darryl made a good point. He was talking about the infrastructure hadn't been improving.

1210
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:36,360
in 50 years. But what a lot of people forget, we have no control over the infrastructure

1211
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:41,180
that most of these people are using. Infrastructure has improved in 50 years. We can't

1212
01:50:41,180 --> 01:50:45,700
say that. Ask, don't water sue a commission. I'm talking about the road in front of the

1213
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:50,600
road. There has been road improvements. When you say it's never happened, our hasn't

1214
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,540
happened at all. But they specifically tell me what roads have been

1215
01:51:13,580 --> 01:51:23,520
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1216
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:28,940
not to do concurrency and easer in the overlay because there are you've got

1217
01:51:28,940 --> 01:51:33,900
mutual aid agreements with with the other entities. Yes ma'am. I just wanted to

1218
01:51:33,900 --> 01:51:37,940
accept the M.S. that's with us. Yes. But they are mutual aid agreements between

1219
01:51:37,940 --> 01:51:44,580
my others for fire service. They have police. Our M.S. stake is gonna only

1220
01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:49,300
improve by having partnerships like we have with mid-trusts. That's right.

1221
01:51:49,540 --> 01:51:53,320
We're making such great progress with stuff like that. Here's a list of those

1222
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:59,840
20, the four that are in the urban overlay approve those and move those on.

1223
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:05,720
Yeah, I'm definitely taking a bit with Darrell because the gym beside you is for most

1224
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:06,300
of them around.

1225
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:13,780
We'll set the council the specifics on it and we'll just follow up this conversation

1226
01:52:13,780 --> 01:52:14,480
discussion.

1227
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:15,400
The next council meeting.

1228
01:52:15,460 --> 01:52:15,740
Very good.

1229
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:22,120
And if anyone's interested, I think as council members, we should need to be the U.S. Census

1230
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,700
Bureau from 22 to 23 in growth.

1231
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:32,340
We're actually number 23 out of 46 counties, as far as fastest-growing counties.

1232
01:52:33,340 --> 01:52:34,180
And, hello.

1233
01:52:35,340 --> 01:52:37,460
From 22 to 23, the U.S. Census Bureau.

1234
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:44,960
So I think that since COVID, though, I mean, at least what the state news tells us all the time on TV, depending on what channel you look at,

1235
01:52:45,060 --> 01:52:47,860
likes in the county and South Carolina, is one of the fastest-growing.

1236
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:52,140
That's why I try. Every time I read the paper or something, I try to send it out to y'all because this is what they're saying.

1237
01:52:52,140 --> 01:52:59,540
I don't believe everything I read either but I'll do I'll do a little more research I mean I will because I'm I needed to

1238
01:52:59,540 --> 01:53:00,440
Move this for myself

1239
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:10,800
From the 2020 census today. Yeah, not the 2022 to 23. I will look at the other thing that I started never finished is going back to the 70s

1240
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:16,760
In Lexington County growth and look at every 10 years, right? And I think you might be surprised. I think you might be surprised

1241
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,760
My next to be fairly quick

1242
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:18,880
All right.

1243
01:53:19,180 --> 01:53:19,320
Okay.

1244
01:53:20,180 --> 01:53:20,620
2318.

1245
01:53:20,820 --> 01:53:25,740
Plan Commission heard the amendments to the Landscape and Open Space Ordinance on April 18th.

1246
01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:28,980
Vote unanimously to Council to proceed with these proposed amendments.

1247
01:53:29,820 --> 01:53:36,660
If Council is okay with this, we'd like to have second reading at the same time.

1248
01:53:36,740 --> 01:53:40,240
We have a second read for 2317 to keep both of these ordinances on track together.

1249
01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:40,680
Okay.

1250
01:53:45,650 --> 01:53:46,470
We need a vote for that.

1251
01:53:47,090 --> 01:53:47,410
Or just.

1252
01:53:47,590 --> 01:53:49,230
You can tell it was from the Planning Commission.

1253
01:53:49,450 --> 01:53:50,150
It's from the Planning Commission.

1254
01:53:50,150 --> 01:53:56,890
We need to vote for a second reading, but we'll postpone the second reading until 2317 has second reading.

1255
01:53:57,530 --> 01:54:00,790
Motion to accept the planning commission's recommendation.

1256
01:54:01,770 --> 01:54:02,130
Second.

1257
01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:05,540
For 2318.

1258
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:06,920
2318, yes ma'am.

1259
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:13,540
All right, so I have a motion by Vice Chair Hudson and a second by Councilman Wettstone.

1260
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,900
Any comment or question on 2318?

1261
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:20,700
Hearing none, all in favor?

1262
01:54:21,860 --> 01:54:22,880
Anyone opposed?

1263
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:23,500
All right.

1264
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:25,000
No, they're not. Number six.

1265
01:54:25,780 --> 01:54:27,180
Yeah, I'm going to let you keep this up.

1266
01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:35,200
The town of South Hungary has reached out to us and due to staffing and, really, the

1267
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:40,800
cost is prohibitive for them to use an outside vendor for their building permits and inspections.

1268
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,460
You know, we've done this in the past and we've helped them out.

1269
01:54:43,620 --> 01:54:43,660
Yeah.

1270
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:49,160
From a small timeframe, we've done it for six months or so forth.

1271
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:53,140
And the mayor reached out to me and asked me if we could help them out again.

1272
01:54:53,380 --> 01:54:58,320
Again, it's staffing, it's, they have a vendor that they used.

1273
01:54:58,340 --> 01:54:59,520
It's just very expensive.

1274
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,860
And so, you know, and but what she she said whenever I talked with Robbie about it and looking at it with the duration, you know, maybe looking at something about maybe three or four years as that's how long projects take to evolve once we get started in on. You want to add on to that. Yeah. Just a couple of things. The South Hungary, which is taught. Yeah. The permit is generating South Congress. We currently had staffing to and resources to accommodate those folks. As with our last.

1275
01:55:29,860 --> 01:55:34,940
So assistance with South Kangaroo, this is going to be specific to building permits and inspections.

1276
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:40,340
Specific to those that we actually review and inspect, it will not include their zoning inspections,

1277
01:55:40,540 --> 01:55:45,340
their property maintenance inspections, sign inspections, etc. Some municipalities have

1278
01:55:45,340 --> 01:55:49,660
additional permits for like shingles or whatnot. We will not be doing that specifically. What is

1279
01:55:49,660 --> 01:55:54,680
required for a building permit is what we review will permit and we will inspect. As what Len was

1280
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:59,560
mentioning too, the last agreement we had with South Kangaroo, I think it was a nine month agreement

1281
01:55:59,860 --> 01:56:06,380
It becomes difficult from staff and from the contractors perspective and when you pull

1282
01:56:06,380 --> 01:56:09,800
the permit within nine months, that project's not going to be finished yet.

1283
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:14,680
So then it's jurisdiction across, jurisdiction on agreements on who's going to finish it,

1284
01:56:14,700 --> 01:56:15,700
who's going to permit it.

1285
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:22,420
Just so, just for the ease of our department and for contractors, as Lynn said, we'd like

1286
01:56:22,420 --> 01:56:26,460
to have at least a three or four year agreement with them to move forward.

1287
01:56:26,460 --> 01:56:33,900
Again, it's easier to implement something of that nature, and be honest with you again,

1288
01:56:34,020 --> 01:56:36,980
the work loads are fine, they mention a fee associated.

1289
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:43,440
The last agreement we have in South Congress, we would accept our permit fees and our inspection

1290
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:47,820
fees is basically the means to fund our cost for service.

1291
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:55,680
I don't see any problem with as long as it's not impacting your staff for what we do on

1292
01:56:55,680 --> 01:57:00,700
the county level. We do ask them to provide number of permits and inspections of it and I did

1293
01:57:00,700 --> 01:57:04,660
provide that to Robbie look over and he felt comfortable with that. He said for six months.

1294
01:57:05,780 --> 01:57:10,700
No, we're coming. We're doing it for three years. Three. Three. Three. Four years.

1295
01:57:13,420 --> 01:57:20,240
And this is what like we've done is at least two times I think before. We've had some staff.

1296
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:26,940
We we the number of permits they have I'm so mad in general for building spaces this time. No, ma'am.

1297
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:32,120
They don't have a whole bunch of and they really need some stability. Yeah, I think we have

1298
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:37,360
Maybe so it is in and out in and out and it's a lot of lab. They try to I think a private

1299
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:42,560
Into this past time. I mean, no problem with that. I was just asking them for all our questions

1300
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,280
We need to vote on this we did

1301
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,000
Okay. Somebody make the motion.

1302
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:48,360
You have a time frame for sure.

1303
01:57:48,620 --> 01:57:49,520
Three or four years.

1304
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:52,080
I make the motion to, how

1305
01:57:54,290 --> 01:57:55,270
about we do it for three years?

1306
01:57:55,530 --> 01:57:56,250
Yeah, let's do it for three.

1307
01:57:56,410 --> 01:57:56,810
Oh, Dr. Smith.

1308
01:57:56,910 --> 01:58:00,210
No, allow for three years for South Cone agrees for meaning.

1309
01:58:00,710 --> 01:58:00,890
Six.

1310
01:58:01,730 --> 01:58:04,950
Okay, I have a motion by, and it counts my wetstone,

1311
01:58:05,130 --> 01:58:06,210
and second, I count some columns.

1312
01:58:06,730 --> 01:58:07,290
And inspections.

1313
01:58:08,410 --> 01:58:09,550
Any comments or questions?

1314
01:58:10,050 --> 01:58:10,490
You got some?

1315
01:58:10,770 --> 01:58:11,870
No, I'm just race man or what?

1316
01:58:13,070 --> 01:58:13,830
Oh, I was angry.

1317
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:15,690
He was in hurry.

1318
01:58:19,010 --> 01:58:26,830
Thank you all. Just a wee cap. You're going to get us the 20. Okay. You have those in the morning.

1319
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:34,310
All right. Next up is an update on roads and stormwater maintenance agreement with the municipality.

1320
01:58:35,710 --> 01:58:40,510
There's a possible executive session for legal briefing. On matters protected by attorney client

1321
01:58:40,510 --> 01:58:45,950
privilege and legal briefing and that would be subject to South Carolina Code

1322
01:58:45,950 --> 01:58:55,190
Section 30-4-782. I'm going to start and say that Lynn and I went over to the

1323
01:58:55,190 --> 01:59:00,970
town of Lexington and we had a meeting lasted about an hour and a half. It was a

1324
01:59:00,970 --> 01:59:07,890
good meeting. It was a conciliatory. We had good conversations. We talked about

1325
01:59:07,890 --> 01:59:13,870
So what they thought that they needed from us, what they wanted from us.

1326
01:59:14,150 --> 01:59:18,090
We talked about how they could help us in the future with some issues that we found

1327
01:59:18,090 --> 01:59:21,810
very difficult, which is impact fees in the need to use those for roads.

1328
01:59:23,490 --> 01:59:29,410
I felt like we left their own good terms with an understanding that there were more meetings

1329
01:59:29,410 --> 01:59:31,210
and more discussions to be had.

1330
01:59:31,210 --> 01:59:40,530
They had a specific request to put the original agreement back in place as we worked on 14

1331
01:59:41,790 --> 01:59:46,090
individual contracts because each of the 14 municipalities have different needs.

1332
01:59:47,530 --> 01:59:49,970
And Lynn's got some more specific details.

1333
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:54,110
I just wanted to say that I felt like it was overall, it was a very good meeting.

1334
01:59:54,110 --> 01:59:58,510
And I concur with that, it's a very good, the municipalities that were

1335
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,480
Election ten coast. Of course, they would have host. Irmo, West Columbia, Swancy, Chapin,

1336
02:00:06,100 --> 02:00:13,100
Batesburg-Lizel, Casey, and Springdale. Some of the municipality's concerns with the proposed

1337
02:00:13,100 --> 02:00:18,040
agreement that we've put out there is that it calls us some confusion with home rule.

1338
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:24,400
It removes the autonomy of the municipality when it comes to annexation.

1339
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:31,040
Some of the things is that they're really concerned about their representation to their

1340
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:37,780
city or town as well with us putting the annexation requirement there.

1341
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:43,620
They think that there could potentially be some legal issues with the proposed agreement.

1342
02:00:43,900 --> 02:00:48,940
We did ask them to provide us with the documentation of that and they have done so.

1343
02:00:48,940 --> 02:00:56,480
we have provided it to legal for maybe some discussion with an exact conversation, and they

1344
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:04,640
also feel that the real issue that we're trying to solve is roads and infrastructure, and

1345
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:06,080
they want to help with that.

1346
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:14,160
They felt that it was all about traffic, and they said they're committed to working with us

1347
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:16,080
and helping us address that.

1348
02:01:17,300 --> 02:01:22,940
They also agree that one agreement for the entire county doesn't work whenever, you know,

1349
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:29,080
maybe Irmo is in Richmond and Lachden County is not the same as KC or West Columbia, which

1350
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:32,160
is not the same as Swansea or Springdale.

1351
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:39,480
So they were requesting as Beth was saying maybe 14 unique contracts with each other.

1352
02:01:39,780 --> 02:01:41,040
So are with us.

1353
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:47,840
So the bottom line, as Ben said, that they did have an ask, and that ask was that we

1354
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:53,160
changed the dates, or we put the original agreement back in place while we work with each

1355
02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:59,400
municipality on a specific agreement with that municipality.

1356
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:05,660
Ben encouraged them to reach out to the council members and to have discussion.

1357
02:02:05,660 --> 02:02:09,120
and I feel they're committed to working with us

1358
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:11,040
on getting something that's in place

1359
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,560
to work for everyone and they did say that.

1360
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,220
So overall, I felt really good about it.

1361
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,800
And a lot of good collaboration.

1362
02:02:23,340 --> 02:02:25,320
Look, you know, all of you know,

1363
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:28,080
I wrote up the document, I presented it to council,

1364
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:30,340
I have no problem with what they're asking

1365
02:02:30,340 --> 02:02:33,260
because this really, it did,

1366
02:02:33,660 --> 02:02:35,780
was it their own way to go about it,

1367
02:02:35,780 --> 02:02:40,020
maybe, maybe not, but it did what it needed to do.

1368
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:43,520
It's getting everybody on the same page now.

1369
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,760
It's making everybody realize that we have to work together.

1370
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:51,400
Everybody's seeing that there are bigger issues, you know,

1371
02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:53,880
and we're hearing from each other now something

1372
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:56,680
that we really didn't hear a whole bunch beforehand.

1373
02:02:57,260 --> 02:03:01,520
Did it stir up a lot of hornet's nested stuff?

1374
02:03:01,700 --> 02:03:02,260
Yes it did.

1375
02:03:02,260 --> 02:03:07,500
but at the end of the day we're all able to sit back and I've said it before

1376
02:03:07,500 --> 02:03:11,260
sometimes we have to jump out the box but then we jump right back in. I have no

1377
02:03:11,260 --> 02:03:17,580
problem with the 14 individual things as Lynn made a good point and best

1378
02:03:17,580 --> 02:03:24,160
made a good point. Everybody is unique. Gaston is the only one that has signed a

1379
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:28,240
new contract. That's good because Gaston is stricter than we are and there's only

1380
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:35,760
and they require a half acre, so the new contract works well for them, as far as the other ones,

1381
02:03:37,380 --> 02:03:41,440
as long as they're close to us, you know-

1382
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:44,880
I think when we get down to the specifics about the contract, we've got to go into exactly-

1383
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:50,540
Yeah, I think as long as they're close to us, it'll be good, but you know, as far as putting old

1384
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:56,380
policy back in place until we work them out. I don't have any problem with that, you know,

1385
02:03:56,380 --> 02:04:01,640
So now that we're all on a talking level and we're willing to negotiate.

1386
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:06,660
I have a little bit of heartburn to that because I don't want it to drag out.

1387
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:11,240
Well, you got to put time frame on it, I mean, you know, but that's when you bring them

1388
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:18,120
to the table and ask them what, how long do you need, you know, three months, six months?

1389
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,060
Well, we're not conflating two different things.

1390
02:04:23,060 --> 02:04:27,480
I mean, I think right now is we just want to talk about the road maintenance agreement.

1391
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:28,220
Yeah, yeah.

1392
02:04:28,500 --> 02:04:33,620
And I think after the road maintenance grant, and I wasn't there, I'm just trying to understand,

1393
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:39,240
but after the road maintenance agreement can be agreed upon that we kind of do a reset,

1394
02:04:39,940 --> 02:04:48,980
then we are to work towards any amendments to that agreement that may entertain or be part of

1395
02:04:48,980 --> 02:04:59,700
our development in zone is that is that yeah what I took away from the meeting

1396
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,640
I have no problem putting it back in place for some. I especially don't have any problem putting in place for the urban overlay, so those three. I may not have a problem put it in for another one. I specifically want to hear about the 2040 plan as it pertains to the rural area out this way before I just say, sure. I mean, I really want to see what that has to say about this area out here. What I am willing to say at this point is,

1397
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:34,460
The Batesburg-Lisville has a project that they already have that meets our standards.

1398
02:05:34,700 --> 02:05:39,580
I'm willing to have Jeff write a contract tomorrow, send it out to him.

1399
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:44,500
We'll sign it. We'll take the road down, let them get on with that project right away so that they're not being held up

1400
02:05:44,500 --> 02:05:47,320
at that. It's a one-off at this moment.

1401
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:52,460
If there are other projects, as we're trying to look at the 2040 for the Western District,

1402
02:05:52,700 --> 02:05:56,580
if they want to tell, let us know. We can do one-off agreements in those

1403
02:05:56,580 --> 02:06:00,940
so we're not stalling development that is favorable for all of us.

1404
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:02,920
I'm happy to put that in place.

1405
02:06:04,020 --> 02:06:09,440
But before I'm just willing for the Western overlay district to say,

1406
02:06:09,660 --> 02:06:11,980
carte blanche, I'm ready to put back the old one.

1407
02:06:12,140 --> 02:06:14,100
I'm going to hear what the 2040 plan has.

1408
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:18,640
And I recognize that Robbie said he just got that like two or three days ago

1409
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:21,720
and he's going to send it out and we can talk about it the next meeting.

1410
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:28,960
So, for me, at least, for the purposes of what we're trying to do comprehensively, I'm

1411
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:32,340
fine with putting it back in place for the Urban Overlay, and you'll start working

1412
02:06:32,340 --> 02:06:33,160
on your amendments.

1413
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:42,620
We can talk about ERMO based on the fact that they have very little area to develop what

1414
02:06:42,620 --> 02:06:47,640
they're going to do, and they're not part of the 2040 plan, but as far as the 2040 plan

1415
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:52,060
goes if Facebook leads but wants to get on with that one project I'm happy I said

1416
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:56,040
something to our attorney earlier about drafting up a contract to get that one

1417
02:06:56,040 --> 02:07:00,260
going ahead and moving and anything that the other municipalities have right

1418
02:07:00,260 --> 02:07:05,220
now that if they want to tell us if it's something that you know comports with

1419
02:07:05,220 --> 02:07:09,000
what we're trying to do then we can do one-off still knows until we get past the

1420
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:13,800
2040 plan and then we can reevaluate what the Western overlay is going to look

1421
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:21,200
like. That's me. Yeah, because in my area, in my area, you know, there's only one development

1422
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:26,220
that's going on right now that any of my municipalities could even think about getting

1423
02:07:26,220 --> 02:07:32,120
to annexation-wise. They and don't have anything that's coming right now that they can't, that

1424
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:38,260
they can get to outside of what they've already got. Um, Gaston, like I said, they signed a new agreement

1425
02:07:38,260 --> 02:07:44,800
because they're they're more stringent than we are. Swats is the only one who has one that is

1426
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:52,540
close enough for them to annex, but their own planning commission is kind of on the verge of

1427
02:07:52,540 --> 02:07:59,580
denying that. They don't like it. They created their own quasi-body for that. So, you know, I'm not

1428
02:07:59,580 --> 02:08:04,140
really worried about, you know, that could be a one-off if we had to do it.

1429
02:08:05,380 --> 02:08:10,200
Cheerleading to enlighten what you said, I think that's a very reasonable approach, and

1430
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:12,120
I think it does show good faith on our part.

1431
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:21,020
So what you said is, would you be an agreement for us and committed to allow at least Casey

1432
02:08:21,020 --> 02:08:29,980
Westclam, you may be Springdale, for us to agree to reset or reinstate our road agreement

1433
02:08:29,980 --> 02:08:30,320
today?

1434
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:31,600
We do that by vote.

1435
02:08:32,180 --> 02:08:36,720
I would be willing to entertain that motion and vote on that for this great decision.

1436
02:08:37,500 --> 02:08:44,780
I do think that vote should put it back in the place, but the dates have to change, and then, obviously, our attorneys, we'll have to.

1437
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:57,220
I think, at that point, if we can, I'd just like to move that we reinstate our past agreement with new dates for the municipalities of KC, West Columbia, and Springdale.

1438
02:08:59,940 --> 02:09:06,740
All right, I have a motion by Councilman Cole in a second, but I

1439
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:14,600
haven't heard from them yet and those are to come.

1440
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:19,720
So I want to make, I don't want to, I don't want to put the cart forward horse between those folks.

1441
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:27,540
But I do know I think that every municipality's are, I think in all tandem to accept the road agreement as it stood prior.

1442
02:09:27,540 --> 02:09:28,060
Yes.

1443
02:09:28,220 --> 02:09:29,280
Am I mistaken in that?

1444
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:32,220
I think that you speak for Springdale.

1445
02:09:32,340 --> 02:09:38,620
I think what concerns me a little bit, and maybe it's just me, but what you said as

1446
02:09:38,620 --> 02:09:46,660
far as what the municipalities were asking for, we're going to piecemeal it with approving

1447
02:09:46,660 --> 02:09:49,160
three, but not approving the others.

1448
02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:51,220
The others have to come to us.

1449
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:51,900
No, no.

1450
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:55,440
I want to wait here with the 2040 play and says, and that'll be on the next agenda.

1451
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:59,200
Everybody's going to have to have their own individually signed agreement.

1452
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:28,280
Absolutely, I get that. Even if we've just said countywide, we're going to re-instate the, if nothing that ever changed, right? They still have to individually sign those agreements individually with us. Is that correct? Yeah, it's always been that way. But do you, I mean, do you have four, we do have 14 individual contracts that they sign for it to be in place? Yes.

1453
02:10:28,280 --> 02:10:37,140
Do you piece mail or do you put a stipulation in there that ending the results of the

1454
02:10:37,140 --> 02:10:37,880
2040?

1455
02:10:39,220 --> 02:10:40,680
What does that actually mean?

1456
02:10:41,700 --> 02:10:49,340
I think that we look at instituting it back for the three larger ones and if you want

1457
02:10:49,340 --> 02:10:54,380
to use the word piece mail to the 2040, yes, I think we stay on that path.

1458
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:58,400
Well, and again, so I would stipulate, let's vote on those three.

1459
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:00,640
We've got a motion by Councilman Cullham.

1460
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:06,900
We have a second by Councilman Weston, any comment or question?

1461
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:11,160
I'm still confused about Lexington.

1462
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:12,720
They're much bigger than the Springdale.

1463
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:21,640
Yeah, but I think what Chair Lee is saying is that part of their jurisdictional areas are

1464
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:22,820
in that Western overlay.

1465
02:11:22,820 --> 02:11:25,360
in order, so they're kind of in between.

1466
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:26,380
There were a little urban.

1467
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:30,500
I mean, we can't approve for half of the town

1468
02:11:30,500 --> 02:11:31,340
and not the other half.

1469
02:11:31,460 --> 02:11:35,320
So I think that would come once I think after she.

1470
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:37,500
I want to make sure they get the right message,

1471
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:38,120
it's my point.

1472
02:11:38,860 --> 02:11:40,860
I think we're saying, let the town of Lexington

1473
02:11:40,860 --> 02:11:41,780
gets the right message.

1474
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:45,680
We're basically just out of three in the Eastern overlay

1475
02:11:45,680 --> 02:11:46,400
is what I'm saying.

1476
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:49,040
We talk about our zoning hazel and hour.

1477
02:11:50,810 --> 02:11:52,930
So I talked to her yesterday.

1478
02:11:52,930 --> 02:11:59,990
All's are good. I think they're good and we're going to talk about that the next meeting the 2040 plan. We are

1479
02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:03,780
All right, all in favor

1480
02:12:05,020 --> 02:12:07,020
Anyone opposed? Thank you

1481
02:12:07,020 --> 02:12:10,000
Well, so people that are listening do understand

1482
02:12:10,620 --> 02:12:14,160
Just because we didn't read and so we're not we're still taking care of the roads

1483
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:19,900
I mean that's what a lot of people don't understand is we're still obligated to the roads. It's just any

1484
02:12:20,740 --> 02:12:21,660
new roads

1485
02:12:22,160 --> 02:12:25,920
you know they'll be a one-off if somebody has to have something right now.

1486
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:29,680
Right, if there's something that's pending that a municipality is waiting on they can come

1487
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:35,020
to us. Because I think that's where some of the misconfusion is in the rural areas is oh we're

1488
02:12:35,020 --> 02:12:40,620
not going to make it. No, we have an obligation to those rooms. Yeah.

1489
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:45,960
The panel is already okay with it. I haven't talked to be in

1490
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:50,200
since the meeting last week, but what I'm saying is that they're looking to, she says

1491
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:58,020
she's good, we're going here with that development, but I would say to get them with

1492
02:12:58,020 --> 02:13:01,920
land to get a contract in place so they can go ahead and move forward with that development

1493
02:13:02,500 --> 02:13:03,820
because it's very close to ours.

1494
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:13,320
And then I would openly invite the other municipalities to the next meeting so that they can hear

1495
02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:19,880
the 2040 plan laid out what the results are or they can watch it on Spectrum 1302 or they can

1496
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:24,660
watch the video afterwards and then we'll move forward with the Western section of the county.

1497
02:13:25,120 --> 02:13:31,020
Or if there are any specific projects that they need to move forward with like B&L,

1498
02:13:31,020 --> 02:13:37,080
if they will get with Lynn Sturkey and you know we can do single contracts with that as we figure out

1499
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:43,380
what the Western looks like, okay? Alright, so is there anything else on that?

1500
02:13:45,460 --> 02:13:46,160
Okay.

1501
02:13:48,860 --> 02:13:57,210
So discussion request for an agricultural use assessment application extension. Do we

1502
02:13:57,210 --> 02:14:03,690
need an executive session on that for a legal briefing? Yes, we do. Alright, so then items

1503
02:14:03,690 --> 02:14:31,010
Number 8 and number 9 would be a discussion of requests for an agricultural use assessment application extension possible executive we're going into executive session for legal briefing for matters protected by attorney client privilege as well as an update on pending litigation and both of those are pursuant to South Carolina code 30-4-70 I would imagine that we'll be in here somewhere around 20 or 30 minutes.

1504
02:14:31,010 --> 02:14:34,490
So I would take a motion to go into the executive session.

1505
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:40,370
I have a motion by Councilman Wettstone and a second by Council Lady Summers.

1506
02:14:40,410 --> 02:14:45,470
That motion is asked your lady, Carrie, stated to go into executive session.

1507
02:14:46,370 --> 02:14:47,210
All in favor?

1508
02:14:48,370 --> 02:14:49,290
Anyone opposed?

1509
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:50,590
All right.

1510
02:14:51,390 --> 02:14:52,850
Yes, I got me on that before.

1511
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:33,660
We have a motion to go back to the road's agreement, hold on.

1512
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:38,120
What number was that? Number 10.

1513
02:15:45,740 --> 02:15:55,180
I would like to vote for us to reinstate the old municipality for the town of Armo.

1514
02:15:55,660 --> 02:16:03,340
Now can I also do the same for the town of B&L, even though that's headed that direction?

1515
02:16:03,660 --> 02:16:05,160
We want to wait for the 2040 plan.

1516
02:16:05,740 --> 02:16:08,180
But the 2040 plan is not in place for Armo.

1517
02:16:08,180 --> 02:16:12,580
Okay. I got you. So next meeting. Next meeting we're going to get the update on the

1518
02:16:12,580 --> 02:16:19,320
2040 plan and then go from there. Okay. All right. So you made a motion to reinstate

1519
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:25,200
the road cement in its agreement from 1978 for the town of Rome with the new dates.

1520
02:16:25,580 --> 02:16:30,560
Okay. All right. So I have a motion by Council Lady Whistinger and a second back Council

1521
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:34,140
and Winston, any further comment or question?

1522
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:36,640
All the favour.

1523
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:38,380
Anyone opposed?

1524
02:16:39,300 --> 02:16:39,620
All right.

1525
02:16:40,660 --> 02:16:44,740
Does anything else, any business, anything else for this?

1526
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:47,380
Not we are adjourned.