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good afternoon,

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everyone.

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It is 1:00.

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Welcome to the APRIL 28, 2026

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general government and planning

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committee meeting.

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I'm calling our meeting to

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order.

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The first item of business on

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our agenda is the approval of

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the MARCH 10, 2026 committee

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summary.

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Are there additions or

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corrections?

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>> move to approve.

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>> Chair: seeing none, I'll take

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a motion to approve.

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>> second.

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>> Chair: second.

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Any discussion on the motion.

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All those in favor say aye.

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>> aye.

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>> Chair: any opposed.

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That motion passes.

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The next item on our agenda is

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our charter review presentation.

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Vice mayor wu, since this is

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your item,ly turn it over to you

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for the introduction.

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>> thank you, chair.

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First I want to thank civiclex

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for the tremendous amount of

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work that you all have done on

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this.

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It was very thoughtful, it was

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very collaborative.

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I also want to extend my

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gratitude towards the city staff

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, the council members, both

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current and past council members

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that offered up some of their

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experience and wisdom.

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And finally, I really want to

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applaud the efforts of the

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assemblymembers themselves, many

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of whom are here right now, for

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lexington's first civic

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assembly.

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This is really historic,

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honestly.

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and I'm so excited to be part of

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it.

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So thank you all so much for

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participating in this process.

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And as per the resolution that

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we passed a couple months ago, I

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want to reiterate council's

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commitment to seriously

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listening to and considering the

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assembly's recommendations.

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So, with that, I will hand it

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over to richard.

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Thank you.

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>> thank you, so much vice

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mayor.

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We are so incredibly grateful to

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be bringing these

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recommendations to you all

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today.

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Planning this schlep has taken --

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planning this assembly has been

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a lot of work.

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You will hear about the most

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recent part of the timeline but

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this is a culmination of over

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three years of work, and I just

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wanted to say up front how

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grateful I am that you all have

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agreed to respond meaningfully

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to these recommendations.

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It has been a lot of work for

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both civiclex and for our

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assemblymembers.

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And so we are grateful for the

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trust and the time that you all

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are giving this process.

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So, I'm not going to say too

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much.

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I'll turn it over to civiclex's

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deputy director kitty anderson.

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>> hello.

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Thank you so much for having us.

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I want to echo the gratitude

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richard just expressed and beer

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here to talk to you today about

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the recommendations and the

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process of lexington's first

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civic assembly.

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So just to recap, I know you all

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heard about the assembly last

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july and I'm sure you remember

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every single word of richard's

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presentation, but to sum --

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summarize, a civic assembly is

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an internationally recognized

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model of getting everyday

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citizens involved in government

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and making decisions.

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It's participatory decision

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making.

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To learn about an issue and

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learn about it extensively,

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deliberate and ultimately pass

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recommendations on a specific

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topic.

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One of the really important

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aspects of an assembly is the

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assemblymembers themselves are

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both randomly selected through a

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process called a civic lottery

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and also more or less

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demographically representative

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of the community they are

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serving.

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Assemblies can be facilitated by

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governments, or in our case, the

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third party organization of

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civiclex and they really shine

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on issues that public

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institutions are having trouble

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solving for themselves.

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And we think charter review

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might be an example of that and

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we are excited to share what we

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came up with.

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So, I won't spend a ton of time

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on the background.

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But two key things I wanted to

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highlight with our assembly

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process.

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It took three years as richard

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mentioned.

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One of the bullet points is

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fundraising and grants

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submissions.

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This assembly was done

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completely with grant money from

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national and international

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philanthropy.

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government money in this

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process.

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And the actual assembly itself

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only took a month and it was a

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complete whirlwind of a month

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this MARCH, but as richard

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mentioned, the planning was

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almost a three-year process.

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aspects of an assembly is who is

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in the room.

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And our selection process was

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incredibly robust, informed by

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professors at the martin school

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at the university of kentucky.

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I'm not going to touch on every

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single demographic we used.

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demographics of our

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assemblymembers and I wanted to

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make sure the actual

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representation was on the record

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for you to see.

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Suffice to say the goal, pie,

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smaller wedge is based on census

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data about lexington fayette

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county.

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an exact representation of

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lexington but it's the closest

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most accurate, most documented

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reference that we have and in

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most cases we were using A.C.S.

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Data from 2023, but the full

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methodology is available online.

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As I just flip through these, I

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want to emphasize we were

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incredibly proud of our

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selection process after mailing

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out 10,000 postcards to 10,000

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randomly selected addresses, and

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a couple thousand reminder

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postcards, we had 387

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applicants.

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build, I think, by all cases an

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extremely representative panel.

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showcase that so you can see our

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age breakdown, our race and

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ethnicity breakdown matching

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census very closely.

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important for assemblies because

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it's important to have people

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with different political

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perspectives in the room and we

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were a pretty close match on

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people who were not

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recommending -- registered to a

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political party and were not

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typically voters.

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one person from every council

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representative from every

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council member.

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other categories, within 5% on

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every single demographic.

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I will highlight orientation was

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MARCH 1, not MAY 1.

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ellinger for pointing that out.

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This the is just the flow of the

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over to the most important part

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of this, which is the

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recommendations themselves.

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We will be hearing from four

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assemblymembers about the

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recommendations that they

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There are three distinct

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recommendations that could

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potentially lead to three

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distinct chapter amendments and

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to start us off we have haley

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smalls.

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My name is haley small from

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council member district 5 and I

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want to talk about compensation.

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We came to an 84.6 super

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majority to increase council

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compensation to a new cap of

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59,987.

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That is the average annual

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income in lexington.

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So that's where that number

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We want that number to continue

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to increase annually with cpi

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and to go into effect in 2030.

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Why did we make this decision?

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As an assembly we recognize that

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the role of a council member has

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changed in the decades since the

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charter went into effect in the

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We think the most effective

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council members are spending

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nights and weekends, lots of

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energy and lots of time

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innovating, thinking of ways to

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make lexington a better place to

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live for all of us.

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W also recognize the lack of

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competition for many council

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seats.

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Too many council seats are

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running unopposed too often.

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And so we think the crime

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scene -- the increasing

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compensation will better

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compensate hard working council

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members but also bring more

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people into public office,

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bringing more people from

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different backgrounds into this

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I think that this proposal

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represents what we, as an

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assembly, want the council do

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and to look like.

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We want council to be more than

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a rubber stamp.

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We want you to be busy, we want

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you to be active, we want you to

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be innovative and imagine tiff

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but we also want you --

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imaginative, but we also want

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you to feel what it is like to

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be an average citizen in terms

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of your compensation and so

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that's why we tied it back to

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the average lexington income.

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So with that being said, thank

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you for your time and I'm going

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to pass the mic over to sophia

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to talk about recommendation 2.

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>> hello.

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My name is sophia, I'm a high

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school student at lafayette and

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I was part of the assembly as a

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youth representative.

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Our second recommendation was

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about council accountability,

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and largely stemmed from our

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discussions on compensation, ais

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we talked with many former and

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current council members and

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realized that the duties of a

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council member were not really

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that well defined legally.

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And that it was largely up to

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the individual council member

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how much time they invested in

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the job.

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So, as a result, we decided to

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amend the charter to create

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publicly viewable attendance

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expectations and increase

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transparency for the general

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election as voters will have

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more information about the

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representatives to make informed

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decisions when they're voting.

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And it also aligns with our

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recommendation on compensation,

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as a more informed -- sorry, as a

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council that is better paid will

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be able to serve our

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constituents more effectively

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and this passed by 88.8% super

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majority.

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It was effective.

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So I will pass the mic to cath

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who will talk about our third

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recommendation.

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>> hello.

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My name is katherine and I'm

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here representing district 1.

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Our other recommendation that we

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made was for a mandatory charter

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review.

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I think you all can recognize

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that if we don't keep our

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charters regularlyley view --

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reviewed they can quickly become

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out of date and lose relevance.

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We thought it was really

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important to have a regular,

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fair, public review and we

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thought that should be done

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every eight years.

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Also done by a group of randomly

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selected demographically

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selected representatives.

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We like the way civiclex picked

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a group and so that was kind of

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what we were thinking would be

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another good idea.

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That way -- I know one of the

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last times we did a charter

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review, it ended up being

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appointing people who really

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benefited from the review by

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people who really benefited from

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the review.

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So in order to make sure that

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it's fair, we thought a random

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selection representative would

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be important.

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We also thought there should be

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a time limit on the process.

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As you know, these things can

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drag on forever if they don't so

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we recommended it take no more

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than 12 months from start to

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finish.

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And I guess the reason why we

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thought that that was important

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is so that we can make sure that

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our charter stays relevant to

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all of the peep living in

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lexington -- people living in

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lexington and we agreed with an

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88.8% super majority that that

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was necessary.

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And I'm going to pass it on to

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bob, who is going to tell -- he

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is going to represent the

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dissenting voices.

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>> hello.

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My name is bob smith.

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I'm from 5.

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And like any question, any time

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you have a question, you are

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going to have opposing.

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So I'm the opposing.

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But it's nothing personal.

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[Laughter]

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So thank you for giving our team

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the time to let you know our

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thoughts behind our one month of

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deliberation.

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I will be giving our dissenting

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report.

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We had a lot of very thoughtful

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conversations and voted on the

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issues that you charged us with.

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The first one will be I would

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like to talk to you about is the

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charter review process.

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This probably had the shortest

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amount of time in discussion.

430
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It was easy that we came to this

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conclusion.

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It had more to do with time in

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between reviews and what we were

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allowed to review.

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We all believe -- I believe,

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thought that there should be

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more timely reviews of the

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charter.

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In particular I was disappointed

440
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we not allowed to review council

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term lengths.

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We were designated for two

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particular things and that all

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we could do.

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And one of the things I really

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want to talk about was term

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lengths for you people.

448
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I really people like we need to

449
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increase it from two to four so

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you spend more time doing the

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people's business instead of

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running for office.

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So hopefully in the near future

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that you guys let us have

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another -- because we, as we

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wanted to do the charter review

457
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every year, we can do one

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sooner.

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By the bylaws, you can have a

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special one sooner than eight

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years and hopefully this is one

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of the items that can be brought

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up.

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Second, accountability of the

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council members was discussed

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and dissent was mainly based

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around how to set up guidelines

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since we all felt there should

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be more accountability.

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It wasn't that we didn't think

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there should be accountability

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but how we came up with the

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items.

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Last was compensation.

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I bet you would believe that had

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the most discussion.

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Dissent was based not wanting to

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make the position appealing as a

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life long job.

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We don't need more 50 year

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council members like in

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congress.

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And we really don't want to make

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this so appealing that you think

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this is a lifetime position for

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you.

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The founders of our country

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perceive government positions as

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a public service.

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Men would leave their farms or

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businesses for short-term and

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then go back home.

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We felt review every three to

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four years would be more

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appropriate keeping the cpi

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index in place in the meantime

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and at the end of three or four

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years, we thought maybe there

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should be an extra bump because

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the way economic things were at

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that time, that would be

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appropriate to address that.

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We also felt that a 50%

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increase, which is what this is,

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would have a hard time getting

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passed in the fall.

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So thank you for your time.

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>> Chair: thank you so much to

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our four assemblymembers.

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I know firsthand how nerve

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racking it can be the first time

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you are talking to this u and

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you guys did a wonderful job.

514
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So just to close us out and talk

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about next steps, all three of

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these recommendations would

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require a chapter amendment to

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pass.

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-- charter amendment to pass.

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Civiclex is working with the

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department of law what that

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would look like and we want to

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use the opportunity to talk to

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our assemblymembers about it so

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the language included in this

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presentation is still very much

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a draft but we wanted to go

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ahead, go on record, let people

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know what we are thinking about

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and help you understand what

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this might look like in the

532
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actual charter.

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The biggest kind of decision and

534
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thing to figure out with the

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amendment language is what

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exactly would be a charter

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amendment versus what makes more

538
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since as an ordinance or

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resolution.

540
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That's an active question

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because we learned a lot about

542
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how charters are structural

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documents.

544
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They're meant to set out the

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general kind of process of

546
00:19:57,311 --> 00:19:58,379
government but not dictate

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specific policy and we want to

548
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make sure we are in line with

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that with our recommendations.

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00:20:02,983 --> 00:20:04,184
So, with that, these are the

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drafts that we have.

552
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In terms of compensation, the

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big open question that we have

554
00:20:10,524 --> 00:20:13,260
with this is we know that the

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spirit of the assembly is to set

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compensation according to the

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number 59,987 which is the

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annual average wage as reported

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this year.

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And so we know that the spirit

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of the assembly is to set that

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bench mark now and by the time

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231 rolls around and it is

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implemented, the cpi will have

565
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adjusted accordingly.

566
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But we are not completely sure,

567
00:20:37,284 --> 00:20:38,752
to be transparent,,000 talk

568
00:20:38,752 --> 00:20:42,122
about that because we don't know

569
00:20:42,122 --> 00:20:44,859
what the number will be.

570
00:20:44,859 --> 00:20:47,128
-- MAY I take one more minute to

571
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finish the recommendations.

572
00:20:47,795 --> 00:20:50,195
>> Chair: let's do two.

573
00:20:51,532 --> 00:20:52,734
>> even better.

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That is the primary question to

575
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answer with the compensation,

576
00:20:55,336 --> 00:20:56,504
although we know the exact

577
00:20:56,504 --> 00:20:58,906
spirit of the recommendation is

578
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more about the freezing.

579
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,676
-- about the phrasing.

580
00:21:01,676 --> 00:21:02,710
The second amendment around

581
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council accountability would be

582
00:21:05,513 --> 00:21:07,820
added on to section 47.07 which

583
00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:07,315
is the rules and procedures

584
00:21:07,315 --> 00:21:08,449
article.

585
00:21:08,449 --> 00:21:09,951
The main thing to know about

586
00:21:09,951 --> 00:21:12,200
this is that ultimately it's up

587
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,189
to council to set your own

588
00:21:14,189 --> 00:21:16,570
standards of accountability.

589
00:21:16,570 --> 00:21:16,291
That is what makes sense in the

590
00:21:16,291 --> 00:21:18,291
charter.

591
00:21:18,593 --> 00:21:19,461
There is kind of a separation of

592
00:21:19,461 --> 00:21:20,562
powers question there.

593
00:21:20,562 --> 00:21:22,130
This is more about just

594
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:23,932
requiring council to create an

595
00:21:23,932 --> 00:21:25,333
ordinance around accountability.

596
00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:26,667
It doesn't specify exactly what

597
00:21:26,667 --> 00:21:28,300
would be in there.

598
00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:29,303
I will say there are several

599
00:21:29,303 --> 00:21:31,172
things that I think

600
00:21:31,172 --> 00:21:32,140
assemblymembers feel extremely

601
00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:33,441
strongly should be in the

602
00:21:33,441 --> 00:21:35,310
ordinance and who would be happy

603
00:21:35,310 --> 00:21:35,544
to engage throughout that

604
00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:36,611
process.

605
00:21:36,611 --> 00:21:38,460
The number one thing that we

606
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:40,446
heard throughout the entire

607
00:21:40,982 --> 00:21:42,884
assembly was more transparency

608
00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:43,118
around attendance and attendance

609
00:21:43,118 --> 00:21:44,820
records.

610
00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:46,455
And also just more understanding

611
00:21:46,455 --> 00:21:48,490
of what the actual job

612
00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:48,691
description of a council member

613
00:21:48,691 --> 00:21:50,225
is.

614
00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:51,627
So those I think are two things

615
00:21:51,627 --> 00:21:53,610
that assemblymembers feel

616
00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:54,298
strongly should be included but

617
00:21:54,298 --> 00:21:55,640
ultimately that would be a

618
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,532
council ordinance.

619
00:21:56,532 --> 00:21:58,333
And the final potential

620
00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,101
amendment is around charter

621
00:22:00,101 --> 00:22:01,737
review.

622
00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:03,572
Again, I will flag this is one

623
00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:05,140
where we are figuring out what

624
00:22:05,140 --> 00:22:06,775
makes sense to be an ordinance

625
00:22:06,775 --> 00:22:07,409
and what makes sense to be a

626
00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:09,377
charter amendment.

627
00:22:09,377 --> 00:22:10,713
I think cat did a great job

628
00:22:10,713 --> 00:22:12,114
explaining what the assembly

629
00:22:12,114 --> 00:22:13,315
feels are most important parts.

630
00:22:13,315 --> 00:22:16,486
And one thing I will flag with

631
00:22:16,486 --> 00:22:18,787
this is we think process wise

632
00:22:18,787 --> 00:22:21,423
perhaps the best way to make

633
00:22:21,423 --> 00:22:22,792
this happen would be to have a

634
00:22:22,792 --> 00:22:25,792
standing board or commission on

635
00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:28,530
charter review, that would be a

636
00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:30,166
smaller boarder commission that

637
00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:32,340
would include council members or

638
00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:34,437
committee chiefs to keep a

639
00:22:34,437 --> 00:22:35,972
running list of topics of

640
00:22:35,972 --> 00:22:37,273
charter review and organize the

641
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:38,174
review that would happen every

642
00:22:38,174 --> 00:22:39,842
eight years potentially.

643
00:22:39,842 --> 00:22:42,312
So with that, I just want to say

644
00:22:42,312 --> 00:22:44,647
thank you so much to the true

645
00:22:44,647 --> 00:22:45,414
village that it took to pull

646
00:22:45,414 --> 00:22:46,716
this assembly off.

647
00:22:46,716 --> 00:22:48,351
We have many in the room.

648
00:22:48,351 --> 00:22:49,352
We have a handful of

649
00:22:49,352 --> 00:22:51,187
assemblymembers in the room.

650
00:22:51,187 --> 00:22:52,521
Richard and lilly and haley and

651
00:22:52,521 --> 00:22:54,521
the civiclex team.

652
00:22:54,691 --> 00:22:55,458
This was the largest project

653
00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:57,327
we've ever done.

654
00:22:57,327 --> 00:22:59,620
We are incredibly proud of it

655
00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:00,296
and we are curious to see what

656
00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:00,830
you guys think.

657
00:23:00,830 --> 00:23:02,830
Thank you.

658
00:23:02,899 --> 00:23:04,000
>> Chair: thank you for the

659
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,768
presentation, for all the

660
00:23:04,768 --> 00:23:06,102
presenters.

661
00:23:06,102 --> 00:23:09,239
Colleagues go ahead and sign in

662
00:23:09,239 --> 00:23:12,239
if you have comments or

663
00:23:14,711 --> 00:23:15,512
questions.

664
00:23:15,512 --> 00:23:16,479
Council member brown.

665
00:23:16,479 --> 00:23:17,680
>> thank you, chair.

666
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,140
And thank you for the

667
00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:19,115
presentation.

668
00:23:19,115 --> 00:23:20,500
I just wanted to take the

669
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:21,851
opportunity to thank you all for

670
00:23:21,851 --> 00:23:24,387
your work on this, all the folks

671
00:23:24,387 --> 00:23:25,888
that, the community members that

672
00:23:25,888 --> 00:23:26,222
volunteered and took time and

673
00:23:26,222 --> 00:23:28,222
participated.

674
00:23:28,524 --> 00:23:32,695
I think it was a great exercise

675
00:23:32,695 --> 00:23:33,563
in civic engagement and look

676
00:23:33,563 --> 00:23:34,765
forward to the conversation

677
00:23:34,765 --> 00:23:36,650
about the recommendations and

678
00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:38,368
how they move forward.

679
00:23:38,368 --> 00:23:40,337
The one thing I will ask -- I

680
00:23:40,337 --> 00:23:42,739
know you all were awarded grants

681
00:23:42,739 --> 00:23:44,508
and didn't use any local public

682
00:23:44,508 --> 00:23:46,843
money to fund this activity.

683
00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:48,145
But what was the total cost so

684
00:23:48,145 --> 00:23:48,679
far that you all have spent on

685
00:23:48,679 --> 00:23:50,679
this effort?

686
00:23:50,948 --> 00:23:53,948
>> yes, the total budget from

687
00:23:54,551 --> 00:23:57,551
the grants was $220,000 to run

688
00:23:58,488 --> 00:24:01,488
this assembly and that included

689
00:24:01,992 --> 00:24:03,127
for the most part included

690
00:24:03,127 --> 00:24:04,194
civiclex time but it's possible

691
00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:05,196
we went a little over with the

692
00:24:05,196 --> 00:24:06,597
hours we worked.

693
00:24:06,597 --> 00:24:07,931
>> do you foresee if this was

694
00:24:07,931 --> 00:24:10,434
something we instituted and did

695
00:24:10,434 --> 00:24:12,169
on a regular basis permanently,

696
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:14,304
that's what it would cost to do

697
00:24:14,304 --> 00:24:15,439
the whole exercise and would you

698
00:24:15,439 --> 00:24:17,740
recommend doing it the same way

699
00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:18,750
that y'all did this?

700
00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:18,342
>> that's a really good

701
00:24:18,342 --> 00:24:19,977
question.

702
00:24:19,977 --> 00:24:21,679
I think that if the city was

703
00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:23,647
going to be conducting a charter

704
00:24:23,647 --> 00:24:25,182
review every eight years with a

705
00:24:25,182 --> 00:24:26,500
randomly selected group of

706
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:27,785
residents, there would be a lot

707
00:24:27,785 --> 00:24:30,221
of elements of this assembly

708
00:24:30,221 --> 00:24:31,422
that I think we think would work

709
00:24:31,422 --> 00:24:33,570
really well for that.

710
00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:34,158
I don't think every single piece

711
00:24:34,158 --> 00:24:35,693
of it needs to.

712
00:24:35,693 --> 00:24:36,760
Cost wise I think there are

713
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,195
various parts of it that would

714
00:24:38,195 --> 00:24:38,562
make a lot of sense for the city

715
00:24:38,562 --> 00:24:40,562
to do.

716
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,335
The mailing of 10,000, you know,

717
00:24:44,335 --> 00:24:46,170
10,000 postcards to 10,000

718
00:24:46,170 --> 00:24:47,271
randomly selected addresses, I

719
00:24:47,271 --> 00:24:48,539
think the city could do that

720
00:24:48,539 --> 00:24:50,341
even better than we do.

721
00:24:50,341 --> 00:24:51,108
There are costs with venue,

722
00:24:51,108 --> 00:24:53,108
things like that.

723
00:24:53,277 --> 00:24:54,913
I also think because the topic

724
00:24:54,913 --> 00:24:55,813
would be set as charter from the

725
00:24:55,813 --> 00:24:56,681
beginning, the organization of

726
00:24:56,681 --> 00:24:59,810
it would be simpler.

727
00:24:59,617 --> 00:25:01,586
And I think the exact model is

728
00:25:01,586 --> 00:25:02,586
based on what you think is best,

729
00:25:02,586 --> 00:25:04,986
what the assemblymembers weigh

730
00:25:06,191 --> 00:25:08,259
in on, but I see it as not -- as

731
00:25:08,259 --> 00:25:11,562
kind of a hybrid model of what

732
00:25:11,562 --> 00:25:12,197
we just did versus like a

733
00:25:12,197 --> 00:25:13,431
traditional.

734
00:25:13,431 --> 00:25:15,934
>> I appreciate that answer but

735
00:25:15,934 --> 00:25:17,469
I think to some of that, as

736
00:25:17,469 --> 00:25:18,336
government could have some

737
00:25:18,336 --> 00:25:20,204
efficiencies, but I think the

738
00:25:20,204 --> 00:25:21,806
way that you all kind of

739
00:25:21,806 --> 00:25:23,574
separated this from coming down

740
00:25:23,574 --> 00:25:26,277
here and having the conversation

741
00:25:26,277 --> 00:25:28,446
and having that and making those

742
00:25:28,446 --> 00:25:29,882
decisions kind of leave what

743
00:25:29,882 --> 00:25:31,883
could be perceived as an

744
00:25:31,883 --> 00:25:32,216
influence on the process and the

745
00:25:32,216 --> 00:25:34,216
outcome.

746
00:25:34,819 --> 00:25:36,888
And I do have another question.

747
00:25:36,888 --> 00:25:38,900
So, today is just an update.

748
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:39,191
It sounds like you still have

749
00:25:39,191 --> 00:25:42,191
some questions to be answered.

750
00:25:42,794 --> 00:25:44,429
So we are not being asked to

751
00:25:44,429 --> 00:25:45,464
make any decisions or take any

752
00:25:45,464 --> 00:25:47,464
action today.

753
00:25:48,366 --> 00:25:50,366
>> that's correct.

754
00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:53,720
We will need to bring the full

755
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,406
amendment language and also the

756
00:25:54,406 --> 00:25:56,108
ballot language that will need

757
00:25:56,108 --> 00:25:57,750
to be voted on by council,

758
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:58,143
whether or not it will be placed

759
00:25:58,143 --> 00:26:00,143
on the ballot.

760
00:26:00,546 --> 00:26:01,747
And it seems likely that the

761
00:26:01,747 --> 00:26:03,515
JUNE 2 work session will be when

762
00:26:03,515 --> 00:26:04,717
we will be sharing that out.

763
00:26:04,717 --> 00:26:06,118
>> okay.

764
00:26:06,118 --> 00:26:06,785
You said something that brought

765
00:26:06,785 --> 00:26:08,785
up another question.

766
00:26:09,354 --> 00:26:12,458
So is the council vote to put it

767
00:26:12,458 --> 00:26:12,691
on the ballot the only path

768
00:26:12,691 --> 00:26:14,691
forward?

769
00:26:16,195 --> 00:26:18,300
Do you also have a petition

770
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:19,565
process potential for these

771
00:26:19,565 --> 00:26:21,565
initiatives as well?

772
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,736
>> yes, so in the charter, it

773
00:26:23,736 --> 00:26:25,271
says there are two ways for an

774
00:26:25,271 --> 00:26:26,538
amendment question or any

775
00:26:26,538 --> 00:26:27,139
referendum question to end up on

776
00:26:27,139 --> 00:26:29,139
the ballot.

777
00:26:29,541 --> 00:26:31,177
It has to be paced by 3/5

778
00:26:31,177 --> 00:26:33,345
majority of council members or

779
00:26:33,345 --> 00:26:35,815
by a petition with the number of

780
00:26:35,815 --> 00:26:38,250
signatures that is equal to 10%

781
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:42,188
of the voter turnout in the most

782
00:26:42,188 --> 00:26:44,188
recent mayoral election.

783
00:26:45,910 --> 00:26:45,491
I believe... Do not quote me on

784
00:26:45,491 --> 00:26:47,491
that.

785
00:26:48,861 --> 00:26:49,629
We are starting -- civiclex

786
00:26:49,629 --> 00:26:51,640
decided that going through

787
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,865
council made sense because

788
00:26:52,865 --> 00:26:54,333
charter review was in committee

789
00:26:54,333 --> 00:26:54,968
and that's the path we are

790
00:26:54,968 --> 00:26:56,736
currently planning to take.

791
00:26:56,736 --> 00:26:56,936
>> thank you for your work on

792
00:26:56,936 --> 00:26:58,404
this.

793
00:26:58,404 --> 00:26:59,406
Thank you, chair.

794
00:26:59,406 --> 00:26:59,672
>> Chair: council member

795
00:26:59,672 --> 00:27:01,541
reynolds.

796
00:27:01,541 --> 00:27:03,541
>> thank you, chair.

797
00:27:03,944 --> 00:27:05,144
I want to especially thank

798
00:27:05,144 --> 00:27:07,130
civiclex for taking this on.

799
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:08,881
I know it was a lot of work and

800
00:27:08,881 --> 00:27:12,385
a lot of years of work and then

801
00:27:12,385 --> 00:27:13,353
i want to thank all of the

802
00:27:13,353 --> 00:27:14,687
members of the assembly.

803
00:27:14,687 --> 00:27:16,856
I think it's super exciting that

804
00:27:16,856 --> 00:27:18,691
you all were able to catch a

805
00:27:18,691 --> 00:27:19,759
cross section of lexington, a

806
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:21,294
cross section that we don't

807
00:27:21,294 --> 00:27:22,729
usually see here in chambers, a

808
00:27:22,729 --> 00:27:23,930
cross section that we don't

809
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:26,330
usually interact with, and

810
00:27:28,935 --> 00:27:30,403
really be able to civically

811
00:27:30,403 --> 00:27:31,804
engage the average lexingtonian

812
00:27:31,804 --> 00:27:32,138
and I I think that's really

813
00:27:32,138 --> 00:27:34,138
important.

814
00:27:34,841 --> 00:27:35,843
So I'm really thankful that you

815
00:27:35,843 --> 00:27:37,843
all did this.

816
00:27:38,479 --> 00:27:41,181
I was also like surprised and

817
00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:42,416
pretty happy on my end, with

818
00:27:42,416 --> 00:27:44,251
what you all came up with.

819
00:27:44,251 --> 00:27:44,584
I think you all were super

820
00:27:44,584 --> 00:27:46,553
thoughtful.

821
00:27:46,553 --> 00:27:48,222
You went through a lot of

822
00:27:48,222 --> 00:27:50,523
different scenarios and I

823
00:27:50,523 --> 00:27:50,957
appreciate what you brought to

824
00:27:50,957 --> 00:27:52,957
us.

825
00:27:54,195 --> 00:27:55,596
I just have a few questions.

826
00:27:55,596 --> 00:27:56,830
About the council compensation,

827
00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:59,830
can you explain the rationale

828
00:28:01,302 --> 00:28:03,537
why you decided to wait until --

829
00:28:03,537 --> 00:28:06,537
I'm sorry, 231 to implement it?

830
00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:10,770
>> yes, so there is article 4 of

831
00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:11,144
the charter, there is kind of a

832
00:28:11,144 --> 00:28:13,180
specific provision about how

833
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:14,448
compensation can be changed and

834
00:28:14,448 --> 00:28:17,448
also the requirement that it

835
00:28:18,285 --> 00:28:19,486
cannot be changed by council

836
00:28:19,486 --> 00:28:20,354
members for the term that they

837
00:28:20,354 --> 00:28:21,688
are in.

838
00:28:21,688 --> 00:28:23,524
So essentially because we knew

839
00:28:23,524 --> 00:28:25,492
this would be going on the

840
00:28:25,492 --> 00:28:27,270
ballot potentially this

841
00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:28,280
NOVEMBER, new council will be

842
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,563
elected in JANUARY.

843
00:28:29,563 --> 00:28:31,398
If that new council is the one

844
00:28:31,398 --> 00:28:33,167
to pass the ordinance that will

845
00:28:33,167 --> 00:28:36,337
set the new level, we have to

846
00:28:36,337 --> 00:28:37,205
wait four years after that for

847
00:28:37,205 --> 00:28:39,605
at-large council members which

848
00:28:40,174 --> 00:28:40,875
puts us at 231 for

849
00:28:40,875 --> 00:28:42,430
implementation.

850
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:42,477
>> that was not my understanding

851
00:28:42,477 --> 00:28:43,578
of that.

852
00:28:43,578 --> 00:28:44,379
That's interesting.

853
00:28:44,379 --> 00:28:45,847
What happens if some of the

854
00:28:45,847 --> 00:28:48,149
council members that are here

855
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:48,716
now happen to still be on

856
00:28:48,716 --> 00:28:50,716
council then.

857
00:28:53,187 --> 00:28:54,289
>> my -- and I will defer to

858
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:55,590
MR. Cravens, my understanding

859
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:57,559
is it's just about the term.

860
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,961
The term that the ordinance to

861
00:28:59,961 --> 00:29:02,163
change compensation is made, it

862
00:29:02,163 --> 00:29:03,465
just can't take effect during

863
00:29:03,465 --> 00:29:05,990
the sitting term.

864
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:08,699
>> so because we are in the

865
00:29:10,905 --> 00:29:13,775
middle of a term right now.

866
00:29:13,775 --> 00:29:15,775
>> correct.

867
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:16,845
>> and then for the council

868
00:29:16,845 --> 00:29:19,245
accountability part, can you

869
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:23,719
help explain -- you said we would

870
00:29:23,719 --> 00:29:24,652
have to set it up because we set

871
00:29:24,652 --> 00:29:26,652
our own standards.

872
00:29:26,988 --> 00:29:28,857
So before this could go on the

873
00:29:28,857 --> 00:29:30,692
ballot, we would need to set up

874
00:29:30,692 --> 00:29:32,692
our standard?

875
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,598
Or what would go on the ballot?

876
00:29:36,598 --> 00:29:37,966
>> so the language would be

877
00:29:37,966 --> 00:29:38,900
based -- the ballot language

878
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,737
would be based on the amendment

879
00:29:41,737 --> 00:29:44,706
and the amendment is essentially

880
00:29:44,706 --> 00:29:46,908
requiring that -- requiring

881
00:29:46,908 --> 00:29:49,511
council to create an ordinance

882
00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:51,511
with accountability standards

883
00:29:51,713 --> 00:29:53,348
after the amendment is passed so

884
00:29:53,348 --> 00:29:55,217
that would be essentially a new

885
00:29:55,217 --> 00:29:56,952
mandate to create an ordinance

886
00:29:56,952 --> 00:29:57,719
that would then be created if it

887
00:29:57,719 --> 00:29:59,719
was passed.

888
00:30:00,222 --> 00:30:03,822
>> and the idea behind it, the

889
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,128
main reason was just folks

890
00:30:06,128 --> 00:30:07,563
wanting to be able to see our

891
00:30:07,563 --> 00:30:09,963
attendance records more easily?

892
00:30:10,533 --> 00:30:12,468
>> I think the big picture idea

893
00:30:12,468 --> 00:30:14,670
was a lot of assemblymembers

894
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:17,670
just, as kind of the

895
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:19,708
conversation was evolving, there

896
00:30:19,708 --> 00:30:20,809
was a lot of interest in

897
00:30:20,809 --> 00:30:22,111
increasing compensation but from

898
00:30:22,111 --> 00:30:23,312
the council members we heard

899
00:30:23,312 --> 00:30:25,140
directly from in the sessions

900
00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:28,140
and public input and research,

901
00:30:30,853 --> 00:30:33,253
feeling like compensation is

902
00:30:33,255 --> 00:30:34,690
increased, the assembly was

903
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:35,991
interested in increasing

904
00:30:35,991 --> 00:30:37,527
accountability alongside that.

905
00:30:37,527 --> 00:30:39,495
They go together quite closely.

906
00:30:39,495 --> 00:30:41,197
And this was the best way, using

907
00:30:41,197 --> 00:30:42,432
the charter, to increase

908
00:30:42,432 --> 00:30:44,432
accountability standards.

909
00:30:44,734 --> 00:30:46,135
>> so just saying we would like

910
00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:49,572
council to come up with some

911
00:30:49,572 --> 00:30:52,572
sort of transparency about the

912
00:30:52,842 --> 00:30:55,912
work that they do, maybe it

913
00:30:55,912 --> 00:30:58,912
being, you know, focus add

914
00:30:58,982 --> 00:31:00,316
round -- focused around

915
00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:01,283
attendance and what other roles

916
00:31:01,283 --> 00:31:03,283
that we hold.

917
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:04,621
>> the ultimate accountability

918
00:31:04,621 --> 00:31:05,922
of council members is elections

919
00:31:05,922 --> 00:31:07,557
but wanting to have more

920
00:31:07,557 --> 00:31:09,325
transparency around that for

921
00:31:09,325 --> 00:31:09,625
informed voters to make

922
00:31:09,625 --> 00:31:10,293
decisions.

923
00:31:10,293 --> 00:31:10,627
>> that makes sense.

924
00:31:10,627 --> 00:31:12,627
Thank you.

925
00:31:15,965 --> 00:31:18,601
And then the last thing, so the

926
00:31:18,601 --> 00:31:19,903
charter review, I think that

927
00:31:19,903 --> 00:31:20,803
made sense and I like the

928
00:31:20,803 --> 00:31:23,203
recommendation that we set

929
00:31:25,175 --> 00:31:25,609
something up that is going,

930
00:31:25,609 --> 00:31:27,377
ongoing.

931
00:31:27,377 --> 00:31:28,678
So the hope from what you just

932
00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:30,747
said to council member brown is

933
00:31:30,747 --> 00:31:32,515
that by the JUNE 2 meeting we

934
00:31:32,515 --> 00:31:34,915
would have formalized language

935
00:31:34,918 --> 00:31:35,118
that we are voting yes or no

936
00:31:35,118 --> 00:31:36,453
on...

937
00:31:36,453 --> 00:31:38,188
>> to place on the ballot.

938
00:31:38,188 --> 00:31:38,722
Whether or not to place on the

939
00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:39,222
ballot, yes.

940
00:31:39,222 --> 00:31:41,158
>> perfect.

941
00:31:41,158 --> 00:31:41,958
Thank you, chair.

942
00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:42,493
>> thank you.

943
00:31:42,493 --> 00:31:43,360
>> Chair: vice mayor wu.

944
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,360
>> thank you, chair.

945
00:31:45,629 --> 00:31:46,730
Thank you for your presentation

946
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:48,231
and all this great work.

947
00:31:48,231 --> 00:31:49,800
I was especially impressed, if

948
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,970
you go back to some early slides

949
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:55,372
with the demographics, I was

950
00:31:55,372 --> 00:31:56,907
especially impressed with how

951
00:31:56,907 --> 00:31:59,209
this group almost overlaid

952
00:31:59,209 --> 00:32:01,609
nearly perfectly on most

953
00:32:01,946 --> 00:32:03,580
measures with folks in lexington

954
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:04,348
and I think that's one of the

955
00:32:04,348 --> 00:32:05,649
things that we are always

956
00:32:05,649 --> 00:32:07,585
looking for when we are thinking

957
00:32:07,585 --> 00:32:08,819
about public engagement and

958
00:32:08,819 --> 00:32:09,920
input is are the people in the

959
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,455
room actually representative of

960
00:32:11,455 --> 00:32:13,190
the whole city or is it just the

961
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:14,959
people who are tuned in, who

962
00:32:14,959 --> 00:32:16,494
have the time and energy to show

963
00:32:16,494 --> 00:32:18,128
up all the time, right?

964
00:32:18,128 --> 00:32:19,997
So that's really impressive and

965
00:32:19,997 --> 00:32:21,632
I'm so happy that you all were

966
00:32:21,632 --> 00:32:22,166
very conscious conscientious

967
00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:23,701
about that.

968
00:32:23,701 --> 00:32:25,336
One of the things that I love

969
00:32:25,336 --> 00:32:27,304
about doing new stuff in

970
00:32:27,304 --> 00:32:27,871
lexington is a certain level of

971
00:32:27,871 --> 00:32:29,871
bragging rights.

972
00:32:34,212 --> 00:32:35,746
So I know that civic assemblies

973
00:32:35,746 --> 00:32:37,114
are not common in the united

974
00:32:37,114 --> 00:32:38,249
states yet and we are at the tip

975
00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:39,450
of the spear trying it.

976
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:42,186
I think that's really great.

977
00:32:42,186 --> 00:32:43,488
Question about the charter

978
00:32:43,488 --> 00:32:46,457
review piece, the second piece

979
00:32:46,457 --> 00:32:49,327
of that amendment language talks

980
00:32:49,327 --> 00:32:49,760
about creating standing charter

981
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
review board.

982
00:32:51,929 --> 00:32:54,231
And you had mentioned it could

983
00:32:54,231 --> 00:32:56,231
be council members.

984
00:32:56,668 --> 00:32:59,604
Just so I'm clear, this body

985
00:32:59,604 --> 00:33:01,472
would meet on a regular basis

986
00:33:01,472 --> 00:33:02,574
between in the middle of that

987
00:33:02,574 --> 00:33:04,742
eight-year cycle and basically

988
00:33:04,742 --> 00:33:05,543
say here are some topics you

989
00:33:05,543 --> 00:33:07,450
should look at.

990
00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:08,813
And then from there we take our

991
00:33:08,813 --> 00:33:10,482
hands off of it and the assembly

992
00:33:10,482 --> 00:33:12,650
happens and the assembly process

993
00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:13,751
and folks can choose to tackle

994
00:33:13,751 --> 00:33:14,619
those specific issues.

995
00:33:14,619 --> 00:33:16,688
Is that the intent?

996
00:33:16,688 --> 00:33:17,922
>> the intent is that the actual

997
00:33:17,922 --> 00:33:20,292
charter review is commissioned

998
00:33:20,292 --> 00:33:21,590
of a randomly and

999
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:22,393
representatively selected group

1000
00:33:22,393 --> 00:33:24,128
of prosecutors and that this

1001
00:33:24,128 --> 00:33:26,331
standing board is keeping a

1002
00:33:26,331 --> 00:33:27,632
running list of topics and

1003
00:33:27,632 --> 00:33:28,934
potentially helping facilitate

1004
00:33:28,934 --> 00:33:31,334
that commission review, which

1005
00:33:31,369 --> 00:33:31,570
would be on the 12-month time

1006
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:32,904
limit.

1007
00:33:32,904 --> 00:33:33,972
>> thank you for that.

1008
00:33:33,972 --> 00:33:35,941
There was some conversation

1009
00:33:35,941 --> 00:33:37,976
about the idea potentially

1010
00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:39,976
combining recommendations 1 and

1011
00:33:40,245 --> 00:33:42,800
2 into one ballot.

1012
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,281
Can you speak to a little bit of

1013
00:33:43,281 --> 00:33:46,217
what the assembly was thinking

1014
00:33:46,217 --> 00:33:46,584
on that and why they're separate

1015
00:33:46,584 --> 00:33:48,584
versus together?

1016
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:52,220
>> yeah, richard, do you want to

1017
00:34:01,232 --> 00:34:03,736
speak to that a little?

1018
00:34:03,736 --> 00:34:05,360
>> agree both of those

1019
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,600
amendments really, I think, were

1020
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,408
sort of tied together.

1021
00:34:09,408 --> 00:34:11,810
Kit talked about this earlier,

1022
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:14,210
that, you know, many

1023
00:34:15,547 --> 00:34:16,516
assemblymembers thought that

1024
00:34:16,516 --> 00:34:17,950
compensation, you know,

1025
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:20,350
shouldn't be increased unless

1026
00:34:21,987 --> 00:34:24,890
there is also an additional

1027
00:34:24,890 --> 00:34:26,489
level of expectations around

1028
00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:29,195
council member accountability

1029
00:34:29,195 --> 00:34:31,195
and attendance.

1030
00:34:31,731 --> 00:34:32,932
I think there were many people

1031
00:34:32,932 --> 00:34:34,800
on the assembly that would not

1032
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,335
have voted for the compensation

1033
00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:37,336
increase if there were not also

1034
00:34:37,336 --> 00:34:39,336
this accountability piece.

1035
00:34:41,673 --> 00:34:43,309
I think there are a number of

1036
00:34:43,309 --> 00:34:44,644
reasons on this sort of

1037
00:34:44,644 --> 00:34:46,278
non-legal side, I guess I would

1038
00:34:46,278 --> 00:34:49,878
say, for why those could be

1039
00:34:50,316 --> 00:34:52,218
combined or separated.

1040
00:34:52,218 --> 00:34:53,953
Is ultimately we decided the

1041
00:34:53,953 --> 00:34:55,988
simplest thing to do in terms of

1042
00:34:55,988 --> 00:34:57,323
getting them on the ballot for

1043
00:34:57,323 --> 00:35:00,923
clarity for voters was to have

1044
00:35:01,128 --> 00:35:01,794
them be two sprat amendment --

1045
00:35:01,794 --> 00:35:02,963
separate amendments.

1046
00:35:02,963 --> 00:35:04,163
This is another great situation

1047
00:35:04,163 --> 00:35:05,198
to defer to the city's

1048
00:35:05,198 --> 00:35:08,798
department of law on what would

1049
00:35:09,602 --> 00:35:10,904
be the most appropriate.

1050
00:35:10,904 --> 00:35:13,106
>> thank you for that.

1051
00:35:13,106 --> 00:35:14,741
i can see the arguments for both

1052
00:35:14,741 --> 00:35:15,742
and it's a proven fact that when

1053
00:35:15,742 --> 00:35:17,143
there are too many ballot

1054
00:35:17,143 --> 00:35:18,878
measures on one particular

1055
00:35:18,878 --> 00:35:19,545
ballot, they don't always do

1056
00:35:19,545 --> 00:35:20,814
well.

1057
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,915
People kind of skip it.

1058
00:35:22,915 --> 00:35:24,117
And looking at this year's

1059
00:35:24,117 --> 00:35:27,117
sample ballot in NOVEMBER, it's

1060
00:35:27,287 --> 00:35:27,487
going to be a long run, one,

1061
00:35:27,487 --> 00:35:29,487
right?

1062
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:30,890
We have all 15 council states,

1063
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:32,626
national, state, mayor, who

1064
00:35:32,626 --> 00:35:33,593
knows what page the ballot

1065
00:35:33,593 --> 00:35:34,928
initiatives will be on but they

1066
00:35:34,928 --> 00:35:37,928
will be at the end.

1067
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:40,734
Speaking to the strapped

1068
00:35:40,734 --> 00:35:43,134
amendment language, it's my

1069
00:35:43,804 --> 00:35:45,872
understanding that what you want

1070
00:35:45,872 --> 00:35:48,141
from council in sort of

1071
00:35:48,141 --> 00:35:49,476
finalizing and crafting these

1072
00:35:49,476 --> 00:35:50,911
amendments is to follow the

1073
00:35:50,911 --> 00:35:51,712
spirit of what the assembly is

1074
00:35:51,712 --> 00:35:53,780
setting out to do.

1075
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:54,982
And I feel that we are

1076
00:35:54,982 --> 00:35:55,883
relatively clear on that.

1077
00:35:55,883 --> 00:35:58,520
The language you are giving us

1078
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:58,719
today is nowhere near final

1079
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,920
language, right?

1080
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,221
We are going to work with law,

1081
00:36:01,221 --> 00:36:03,423
work with you all and the

1082
00:36:03,423 --> 00:36:03,857
assembly to figure out what

1083
00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:05,159
makes sense.

1084
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,270
The question of when things

1085
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:07,795
start, what that eight years

1086
00:36:07,795 --> 00:36:08,662
looks like, right?

1087
00:36:08,662 --> 00:36:10,970
>> yes.

1088
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:11,365
>> and the other piece, too,

1089
00:36:11,365 --> 00:36:13,600
that I'm thinking about is both

1090
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,269
with the review and the account

1091
00:36:15,269 --> 00:36:16,737
bit lang -- accountability

1092
00:36:16,737 --> 00:36:17,972
lapping winning, you are

1093
00:36:17,972 --> 00:36:18,706
basically charging us with

1094
00:36:18,706 --> 00:36:19,940
creating the structures.

1095
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:20,674
You are not telling us what the

1096
00:36:20,674 --> 00:36:21,141
structures are necessary.

1097
00:36:21,141 --> 00:36:23,141
>> I correct.

1098
00:36:23,211 --> 00:36:24,845
We wanted to build the hoof all

1099
00:36:24,845 --> 00:36:27,114
structure with the amendment

1100
00:36:27,114 --> 00:36:30,618
language and then allow the sort

1101
00:36:30,618 --> 00:36:30,851
of specifics to be determined by

1102
00:36:30,851 --> 00:36:32,860
council.

1103
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:33,354
I think our assemblymembers have

1104
00:36:33,354 --> 00:36:34,689
a lot of thoughts they would

1105
00:36:34,689 --> 00:36:37,859
like to share with you all about

1106
00:36:37,859 --> 00:36:39,426
what those specific requirements

1107
00:36:39,426 --> 00:36:40,661
would be, what would go into

1108
00:36:40,661 --> 00:36:42,530
ordinance and resolution.

1109
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:45,132
But in terms of actually putting

1110
00:36:45,132 --> 00:36:46,367
that on the ballot, and in the

1111
00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:47,835
charter, and our conversations

1112
00:36:47,835 --> 00:36:51,435
with the department of law, it

1113
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:54,542
seemed that restricting what is

1114
00:36:54,542 --> 00:36:57,178
in the amendment to the sort of

1115
00:36:57,178 --> 00:36:59,470
macro structural pieces is what

1116
00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:00,181
would be most in keeping with

1117
00:37:00,181 --> 00:37:00,748
the tradition of the charter.

1118
00:37:00,748 --> 00:37:02,550
>> thank you.

1119
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:04,550
Thank you, chair.

1120
00:37:04,952 --> 00:37:06,154
>> Clerk: council member lynch.

1121
00:37:06,154 --> 00:37:07,755
>> thank you, chair.

1122
00:37:07,755 --> 00:37:08,857
Thank you to civiclex for doing

1123
00:37:08,857 --> 00:37:10,625
this.

1124
00:37:10,625 --> 00:37:12,625
This was huge.

1125
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:14,629
Very excited that it was super

1126
00:37:14,629 --> 00:37:16,331
successful.

1127
00:37:16,331 --> 00:37:17,199
Thank you to all the

1128
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,199
assemblymembers for volunteering

1129
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,336
your time and your expertise and

1130
00:37:21,336 --> 00:37:23,304
thanks to the volunteers and

1131
00:37:23,304 --> 00:37:23,538
everyone that made this assembly

1132
00:37:23,538 --> 00:37:25,538
happen.

1133
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:27,342
I'm just excited it has gone so

1134
00:37:27,342 --> 00:37:28,343
well and thank you for the

1135
00:37:28,343 --> 00:37:29,310
representations you have put

1136
00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:31,310
before us.

1137
00:37:32,481 --> 00:37:33,215
My questions are about the

1138
00:37:33,215 --> 00:37:35,215
demographic information.

1139
00:37:35,216 --> 00:37:37,852
You all did like an outstanding

1140
00:37:37,852 --> 00:37:41,452
job of getting a great cross

1141
00:37:41,456 --> 00:37:43,425
section of folks in our city.

1142
00:37:43,425 --> 00:37:45,827
I think should all of this move

1143
00:37:45,827 --> 00:37:47,262
forward, I would love for us to

1144
00:37:47,262 --> 00:37:49,298
continue to work with you all to

1145
00:37:49,298 --> 00:37:52,834
see how you all did this so that

1146
00:37:52,834 --> 00:37:54,570
we can replicate it for not only

1147
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:56,671
the charter review board or

1148
00:37:56,671 --> 00:37:57,706
commission, but in other ways

1149
00:37:57,706 --> 00:37:59,706
throughout government, because

1150
00:38:00,809 --> 00:38:02,678
as you know, vice mayor and i

1151
00:38:02,678 --> 00:38:04,447
are working on making sure

1152
00:38:04,447 --> 00:38:05,414
boards are equitable and true

1153
00:38:05,414 --> 00:38:05,714
representative of the true

1154
00:38:05,714 --> 00:38:06,849
population.

1155
00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:09,151
I would love to get the formula

1156
00:38:09,151 --> 00:38:10,452
and do a deep dive on that.

1157
00:38:10,452 --> 00:38:11,754
I look forward to working with

1158
00:38:11,754 --> 00:38:13,656
you on that in the future.

1159
00:38:13,656 --> 00:38:14,857
My two questions are on the

1160
00:38:14,857 --> 00:38:15,824
housing status.

1161
00:38:15,824 --> 00:38:18,824
7% of the group were other.

1162
00:38:19,127 --> 00:38:19,662
I was just curious what other

1163
00:38:19,662 --> 00:38:21,662
was.

1164
00:38:22,965 --> 00:38:23,198
Was that unhoused or marginally

1165
00:38:23,198 --> 00:38:25,198
housed?

1166
00:38:25,234 --> 00:38:27,870
>> I believe it's yeah, living

1167
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:29,305
with family or friends, between

1168
00:38:29,305 --> 00:38:31,374
you know, living situations,

1169
00:38:31,374 --> 00:38:32,141
things like that, which is not

1170
00:38:32,141 --> 00:38:33,876
tracked in the census.

1171
00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:36,179
And actually housing status is

1172
00:38:36,179 --> 00:38:39,482
not really in the census either.

1173
00:38:39,482 --> 00:38:41,451
So we just went with the rate of

1174
00:38:41,451 --> 00:38:42,518
owned occupants and rented

1175
00:38:42,518 --> 00:38:44,518
occupants.

1176
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,356
Rented units in lexington that

1177
00:38:46,356 --> 00:38:47,690
was our benchmark number.

1178
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:49,292
But that's what that other is

1179
00:38:49,292 --> 00:38:50,259
referring to, is alternative

1180
00:38:50,259 --> 00:38:51,861
housing statuses.

1181
00:38:51,861 --> 00:38:54,363
I think we had somebody apply

1182
00:38:54,363 --> 00:38:55,565
that lived in a parsonage.

1183
00:38:55,565 --> 00:38:56,432
So they wrote that in.

1184
00:38:56,432 --> 00:38:56,900
Things like that.

1185
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:58,534
>> thank you.

1186
00:38:58,534 --> 00:39:00,836
My last question is regarding

1187
00:39:00,836 --> 00:39:02,836
the political registration.

1188
00:39:02,906 --> 00:39:04,774
On the gold pie there was a gray

1189
00:39:04,774 --> 00:39:06,142
section that was not represented

1190
00:39:06,142 --> 00:39:08,142
in the actual...

1191
00:39:09,479 --> 00:39:11,114
>> yes, that is, I believe that

1192
00:39:11,114 --> 00:39:12,748
is other parties.

1193
00:39:12,748 --> 00:39:13,717
Like a combination of green

1194
00:39:13,717 --> 00:39:15,151
party, things like that.

1195
00:39:15,151 --> 00:39:16,686
And that was something we just

1196
00:39:16,686 --> 00:39:19,255
did not have applicants to.

1197
00:39:19,255 --> 00:39:21,291
So that was, yeah,...

1198
00:39:21,291 --> 00:39:22,926
>> kudos to you all and thank

1199
00:39:22,926 --> 00:39:23,527
you for all of your work.

1200
00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:24,494
This is awesome.

1201
00:39:24,494 --> 00:39:25,795
thank you, chair.

1202
00:39:25,795 --> 00:39:28,640
>> Chair: I'm going to call on

1203
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,533
committee members first and then

1204
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:30,167
non-committee members.

1205
00:39:30,167 --> 00:39:30,366
Council member sevigny you are

1206
00:39:30,366 --> 00:39:31,335
next.

1207
00:39:31,335 --> 00:39:33,200
>> thank you, chair and thank

1208
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,336
you so much for the

1209
00:39:33,336 --> 00:39:35,336
presentation.

1210
00:39:35,506 --> 00:39:37,474
Thank you all for spending your

1211
00:39:37,474 --> 00:39:39,309
time working on this.

1212
00:39:39,309 --> 00:39:43,509
It's really cool to have a group

1213
00:39:46,783 --> 00:39:48,952
of people who really, this is

1214
00:39:48,952 --> 00:39:49,953
some of you the first brush of

1215
00:39:49,953 --> 00:39:51,287
being asked these kinds of

1216
00:39:51,287 --> 00:39:52,356
questions and you had to get up

1217
00:39:52,356 --> 00:39:53,657
to speed and that's great.

1218
00:39:53,657 --> 00:39:55,392
Thank you for all of that.

1219
00:39:55,392 --> 00:39:55,659
My questions are around a couple

1220
00:39:55,659 --> 00:39:57,659
of things.

1221
00:40:01,766 --> 00:40:02,966
One is, I generally believe that

1222
00:40:02,966 --> 00:40:05,102
the questions that are at the

1223
00:40:05,102 --> 00:40:07,571
end of the ballot are like the

1224
00:40:07,571 --> 00:40:10,708
hardest to get to and, to be

1225
00:40:10,708 --> 00:40:12,142
honest with you, they take a

1226
00:40:12,142 --> 00:40:13,443
huge initiative by some

1227
00:40:13,443 --> 00:40:15,312
organization to get people to

1228
00:40:15,312 --> 00:40:17,281
actually vote on them or even

1229
00:40:17,281 --> 00:40:19,281
think about them.

1230
00:40:19,783 --> 00:40:21,118
I don't know who -- like we

1231
00:40:21,118 --> 00:40:22,987
certainly wouldn't do that.

1232
00:40:22,987 --> 00:40:23,987
Like it's kind of -- I'm kind of

1233
00:40:23,987 --> 00:40:25,289
curious if you thought about

1234
00:40:25,289 --> 00:40:27,289
things like that.

1235
00:40:27,992 --> 00:40:31,729
And then the other thing that I

1236
00:40:31,729 --> 00:40:35,833
wanted to talk to you is, I kind

1237
00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:37,301
of feel like if we took the

1238
00:40:37,301 --> 00:40:39,370
accountability measures and we

1239
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:40,905
did an ordinance of our own by

1240
00:40:40,905 --> 00:40:42,339
talking with you about

1241
00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:44,339
accountability measures, and

1242
00:40:44,742 --> 00:40:46,578
then we put them into place,

1243
00:40:46,578 --> 00:40:48,779
proo irto putting something --

1244
00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:50,415
prior to put something on the

1245
00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:53,884
ballot, we should be able to

1246
00:40:53,884 --> 00:40:55,553
check a box that says like, hey,

1247
00:40:55,553 --> 00:40:56,320
we are doing some

1248
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,550
self-accountability and we are

1249
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:58,957
making it a very public

1250
00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:00,957
dashboard for you.

1251
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:05,496
we've agreed this is important.

1252
00:41:05,496 --> 00:41:06,932
I don't knowsly know that all of

1253
00:41:06,932 --> 00:41:07,265
them need to be a ballot

1254
00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:08,599
initiative.

1255
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,103
I absolutely know that the

1256
00:41:11,103 --> 00:41:14,390
income salary one has to be.

1257
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:16,241
But the other ones, I think, if

1258
00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:18,643
we show good stewardship, and if

1259
00:41:18,643 --> 00:41:22,460
we put those out there in an

1260
00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:23,480
ordinance form, it can be part

1261
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,783
of our policy.

1262
00:41:24,783 --> 00:41:26,985
Let me just ask you, did you

1263
00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:29,870
think about that even deeper or

1264
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:31,870
what?

1265
00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:34,991
>>

1266
00:41:35,394 --> 00:41:37,280
>> so, yes, to answer your

1267
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,129
second question first, I won't

1268
00:41:38,129 --> 00:41:40,529
always defer to law.

1269
00:41:40,666 --> 00:41:42,167
I wish one of us was a lawyer,

1270
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,360
but as far as I know, I don't

1271
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,904
see any reason why council

1272
00:41:45,904 --> 00:41:47,205
couldn't adopt accountability

1273
00:41:47,205 --> 00:41:49,708
measures in advance of the

1274
00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:51,210
ballot initiative and I do think

1275
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:52,777
many people might think that

1276
00:41:52,777 --> 00:41:53,780
would be a gesture of good

1277
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:55,460
fades.

1278
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:56,581
I think the assembly was

1279
00:41:56,581 --> 00:41:57,783
interested in mandating council

1280
00:41:57,783 --> 00:41:58,951
produce an ordinance on

1281
00:41:58,951 --> 00:42:01,951
accountability as that's kind of

1282
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:03,789
an extra level of chops, you

1283
00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:04,560
know, potentially for future

1284
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,290
councils.

1285
00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:05,490
One of the things we talked

1286
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:06,992
about.

1287
00:42:06,992 --> 00:42:07,159
This is not just for lexington

1288
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,159
now.

1289
00:42:09,227 --> 00:42:09,594
It's for lexington in 20, 30, 40

1290
00:42:09,594 --> 00:42:11,300
years.

1291
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:12,565
I think that is why the assembly

1292
00:42:12,565 --> 00:42:15,670
was interested in having that

1293
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:17,603
being mandated in the charter.

1294
00:42:17,603 --> 00:42:19,138
And then to the question of the

1295
00:42:19,138 --> 00:42:20,906
ballot question and campaign,

1296
00:42:20,906 --> 00:42:22,741
it's a really good question.

1297
00:42:22,741 --> 00:42:24,242
And as each of you know,

1298
00:42:24,242 --> 00:42:25,878
civiclex does not advocate for

1299
00:42:25,878 --> 00:42:27,746
issues and we are not going to

1300
00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:29,715
start on this.

1301
00:42:29,715 --> 00:42:31,250
i think we, as you know, cover

1302
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:32,117
local elections and can

1303
00:42:32,117 --> 00:42:35,717
certainly cover what will be on

1304
00:42:36,588 --> 00:42:37,823
the ballot, and I think/hope

1305
00:42:37,823 --> 00:42:40,920
that some of the assemblymembers

1306
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,395
might be interested in helping,

1307
00:42:42,395 --> 00:42:43,395
you know, inform people about

1308
00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:45,395
these and potentially

1309
00:42:45,465 --> 00:42:46,765
campaigning on them.

1310
00:42:46,765 --> 00:42:47,434
Our assemblymembers are not

1311
00:42:47,434 --> 00:42:49,434
civiclex staff.

1312
00:42:49,435 --> 00:42:50,737
We have one assemblymember who

1313
00:42:50,737 --> 00:42:52,171
is committed to campaigning

1314
00:42:52,171 --> 00:42:52,805
against the issues, which is

1315
00:42:52,805 --> 00:42:54,400
also great.

1316
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,209
That's what we are here to do.

1317
00:42:56,209 --> 00:42:57,310
>> I would think we would have

1318
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:57,977
both.

1319
00:42:57,977 --> 00:42:59,977
>> indeed.

1320
00:43:01,130 --> 00:43:01,848
Civiclex, we are committed to

1321
00:43:01,848 --> 00:43:03,316
educating about what will be on

1322
00:43:03,316 --> 00:43:05,885
the ballot but beyond that, we

1323
00:43:05,885 --> 00:43:09,485
will not be running I campaign.

1324
00:43:09,789 --> 00:43:10,857
>> one more thing was and I did

1325
00:43:10,857 --> 00:43:12,826
speak with richard before this,

1326
00:43:12,826 --> 00:43:14,927
so I kind of was trying to get --

1327
00:43:14,927 --> 00:43:17,764
what was in their head about 9 --

1328
00:43:17,764 --> 00:43:18,264
I know you picked a current

1329
00:43:18,264 --> 00:43:20,264
average.

1330
00:43:21,567 --> 00:43:23,603
I don't believe the way this

1331
00:43:23,603 --> 00:43:25,238
reads, like I think you picked a

1332
00:43:25,238 --> 00:43:27,640
number and in five years that

1333
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,911
number, if you look at just the

1334
00:43:30,911 --> 00:43:33,413
2% cpi, is going to be about

1335
00:43:33,413 --> 00:43:34,414
$6,000 short, and to me that

1336
00:43:34,414 --> 00:43:36,414
doesn't seem fair.

1337
00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:38,218
Like it seems if I were going

1338
00:43:38,218 --> 00:43:39,986
for a ballot initiative, that

1339
00:43:39,986 --> 00:43:41,621
would start, I like to start

1340
00:43:41,621 --> 00:43:42,823
with something that is fair.

1341
00:43:42,823 --> 00:43:45,125
And I think we are already

1342
00:43:45,125 --> 00:43:48,125
putting people at a disadvantage

1343
00:43:48,295 --> 00:43:48,628
and I don't particularly like

1344
00:43:48,628 --> 00:43:50,628
that.

1345
00:43:50,830 --> 00:43:52,466
So, tell me kind of how you got

1346
00:43:52,466 --> 00:43:54,167
to this, if you don't mind?

1347
00:43:54,167 --> 00:43:54,401
And I only have about 30

1348
00:43:54,401 --> 00:43:55,970
seconds.

1349
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:58,272
I don't have another question.

1350
00:43:58,272 --> 00:44:00,400
Just keep it succinct, thanks.

1351
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,242
>> yeah, I think I will say we

1352
00:44:01,242 --> 00:44:02,442
are actively trying to figure

1353
00:44:02,442 --> 00:44:03,710
out how to put that on the

1354
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:04,945
ballot and we also do not want

1355
00:44:04,945 --> 00:44:06,913
to be misleading.

1356
00:44:06,913 --> 00:44:07,214
And also legally cannot be

1357
00:44:07,214 --> 00:44:09,116
misleading.

1358
00:44:09,116 --> 00:44:11,385
There has been a recent mercy's

1359
00:44:11,385 --> 00:44:13,153
law case about misleading ballot

1360
00:44:13,153 --> 00:44:14,121
language and we do not want to

1361
00:44:14,121 --> 00:44:15,656
stray in that direction.

1362
00:44:15,656 --> 00:44:17,900
What I can say is we know the

1363
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:20,690
spirit of the assembly was to

1364
00:44:21,129 --> 00:44:23,163
set the new baseline at that

1365
00:44:23,163 --> 00:44:25,432
$59,987 and to adjust it

1366
00:44:25,432 --> 00:44:26,100
according to rubber dollar every

1367
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,100
year.

1368
00:44:28,169 --> 00:44:30,138
As it is right now in the actual

1369
00:44:30,138 --> 00:44:30,805
charter it says council salary

1370
00:44:30,805 --> 00:44:32,439
is $6,000.

1371
00:44:32,439 --> 00:44:33,974
We are still figuring out a way

1372
00:44:33,974 --> 00:44:35,176
to frame that that is not

1373
00:44:35,176 --> 00:44:36,176
misleading but we know that is

1374
00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:38,279
the spirit of the

1375
00:44:38,279 --> 00:44:39,130
recommendation.

1376
00:44:39,130 --> 00:44:41,810
>> thank you very much.

1377
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:41,749
That's all I have, chair.

1378
00:44:41,749 --> 00:44:44,840
>> Chair: council member curtis.

1379
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,687
>> thank you, chair, and thank

1380
00:44:46,687 --> 00:44:48,890
you, kit and richard and all the

1381
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:49,824
participants and everybody

1382
00:44:49,824 --> 00:44:52,824
involved for being here today

1383
00:44:53,361 --> 00:44:54,462
and the work you put into the

1384
00:44:54,462 --> 00:44:55,630
civic assembly.

1385
00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:58,933
It is a remarkable thing when we

1386
00:44:58,933 --> 00:44:59,934
are able to inform our decisions

1387
00:44:59,934 --> 00:45:01,569
through more democratic means

1388
00:45:01,569 --> 00:45:04,638
and that is at the core of what

1389
00:45:04,638 --> 00:45:07,609
you are doing and it's very much

1390
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:10,900
appreciated from my perspective.

1391
00:45:10,644 --> 00:45:10,979
I don't have questions for

1392
00:45:10,979 --> 00:45:12,979
y'all.

1393
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,251
I just have to take a second and

1394
00:45:16,251 --> 00:45:18,420
just express my appreciation for

1395
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:20,922
being willing to dive into these

1396
00:45:20,922 --> 00:45:22,958
thorny subjects because they are

1397
00:45:22,958 --> 00:45:24,759
often times ones where were we

1398
00:45:24,759 --> 00:45:26,328
to get into discussions about

1399
00:45:26,328 --> 00:45:27,595
them solely on our own accord in

1400
00:45:27,595 --> 00:45:29,364
this legislative body, there

1401
00:45:29,364 --> 00:45:31,233
would be a question that I

1402
00:45:31,233 --> 00:45:32,867
think, at least with the ones

1403
00:45:32,867 --> 00:45:34,402
that y'all explored this go

1404
00:45:34,402 --> 00:45:37,402
around, hopefully the first of

1405
00:45:37,906 --> 00:45:40,642
many, that would raise questions

1406
00:45:40,642 --> 00:45:43,642
about conflicts of interest, our

1407
00:45:44,146 --> 00:45:45,180
ability to hold ourselves

1408
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:46,548
accountability.

1409
00:45:46,548 --> 00:45:48,500
-- accountable and as you have

1410
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:49,518
seen over the past sever years,3

1411
00:45:49,518 --> 00:45:51,787
you cannot always trust council

1412
00:45:51,787 --> 00:45:52,521
members to hold themselves

1413
00:45:52,521 --> 00:45:54,921
accountable so increasing any

1414
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:59,228
sort of accountability public

1415
00:45:59,228 --> 00:46:00,763
trust is a tangible good and we

1416
00:46:00,763 --> 00:46:02,197
are lucky to have y'all here and

1417
00:46:02,197 --> 00:46:03,399
I'm looking forward to working

1418
00:46:03,399 --> 00:46:05,467
with y'all and supporting

1419
00:46:05,467 --> 00:46:06,268
whatever language comes forward.

1420
00:46:06,268 --> 00:46:08,268
So thank you.

1421
00:46:10,739 --> 00:46:11,406
Thank you, chair.

1422
00:46:11,406 --> 00:46:11,573
>> Chair: council member morton.

1423
00:46:11,573 --> 00:46:12,410
>>.

1424
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:13,909
Thank you.

1425
00:46:13,909 --> 00:46:16,512
I also want to give my sincere

1426
00:46:16,512 --> 00:46:18,912
appreciation and gratitude to

1427
00:46:19,115 --> 00:46:20,216
civiclex for hosting and spear

1428
00:46:20,216 --> 00:46:20,650
spearheading this and all the

1429
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:22,650
members vfd.

1430
00:46:22,785 --> 00:46:24,720
There was a list of thank yous.

1431
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,222
So I will give my gratitude to

1432
00:46:27,222 --> 00:46:29,622
everyone involved with this

1433
00:46:30,359 --> 00:46:31,360
process and yes, you can put it

1434
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,329
back up there.

1435
00:46:33,329 --> 00:46:35,970
>> it's an important list.

1436
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:36,833
>> thank you to anyone listening

1437
00:46:36,833 --> 00:46:38,330
and in the crowd who took part

1438
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:39,335
in it.

1439
00:46:39,335 --> 00:46:39,702
Regarding -- I don't have any

1440
00:46:39,702 --> 00:46:41,702
questions.

1441
00:46:42,137 --> 00:46:43,339
I will just speak my thoughts

1442
00:46:43,339 --> 00:46:44,773
regarding council compensation.

1443
00:46:44,773 --> 00:46:45,708
Me specifically I'm a firm

1444
00:46:45,708 --> 00:46:47,243
believer no matter what position

1445
00:46:47,243 --> 00:46:47,843
you are in, you should be paid

1446
00:46:47,843 --> 00:46:49,843
your worth.

1447
00:46:50,112 --> 00:46:50,346
That's just what I believe.

1448
00:46:50,346 --> 00:46:51,547
Period.

1449
00:46:51,547 --> 00:46:53,749
On the other hand, these council

1450
00:46:53,749 --> 00:46:55,151
positions are pretty broad

1451
00:46:55,151 --> 00:46:56,719
positions, baded on, you know,

1452
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,755
the philosophy of the council

1453
00:46:58,755 --> 00:47:00,957
members, based on discretion and

1454
00:47:00,957 --> 00:47:02,492
based on what we decide, what we

1455
00:47:02,492 --> 00:47:04,270
want to do, how much time we

1456
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:06,290
want to spend and we know a lot

1457
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:07,531
of us spend a lot of time, full

1458
00:47:07,531 --> 00:47:10,266
time on some of these, you know,

1459
00:47:10,266 --> 00:47:11,935
on this work.

1460
00:47:11,935 --> 00:47:14,300
See so I'm interested in, you

1461
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:15,638
guess, pushing it to the ballot

1462
00:47:15,638 --> 00:47:15,806
and see what the constituents

1463
00:47:15,806 --> 00:47:17,806
say.

1464
00:47:17,941 --> 00:47:19,709
They know their council members.

1465
00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:20,877
They are represented by council

1466
00:47:20,877 --> 00:47:22,211
members and know the work that

1467
00:47:22,211 --> 00:47:23,346
has been put in recently and in

1468
00:47:23,346 --> 00:47:26,482
the past and I'm interested in

1469
00:47:26,482 --> 00:47:28,485
seeing the decision they make.

1470
00:47:28,485 --> 00:47:29,553
I won't speak personally, I was

1471
00:47:29,553 --> 00:47:31,188
a legislative aide so I worked

1472
00:47:31,188 --> 00:47:32,656
in the 1st district and made

1473
00:47:32,656 --> 00:47:33,390
double almost what I'm making

1474
00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:35,158
right now.

1475
00:47:35,158 --> 00:47:35,458
So I totally understand the

1476
00:47:35,458 --> 00:47:37,458
divide.

1477
00:47:37,461 --> 00:47:40,531
And I understand both sides of

1478
00:47:40,531 --> 00:47:42,531
that topic.

1479
00:47:43,667 --> 00:47:45,200
Regarding council

1480
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,202
accountability, I'm a strong

1481
00:47:46,202 --> 00:47:48,710
believer in transparency and

1482
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:49,606
accountability and you know,I

1483
00:47:49,606 --> 00:47:50,574
think what, me specifically,

1484
00:47:50,574 --> 00:47:53,574
I'll speak for myself again,

1485
00:47:54,745 --> 00:47:55,612
when I ran, one of my number one

1486
00:47:55,612 --> 00:47:55,945
principles was accessible

1487
00:47:55,945 --> 00:47:57,480
leadership.

1488
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,782
Being attentive, available and

1489
00:47:58,782 --> 00:48:00,651
showing up, showing up in the

1490
00:48:00,651 --> 00:48:01,752
community, showing up to council

1491
00:48:01,752 --> 00:48:04,121
meetings and showing up to

1492
00:48:04,121 --> 00:48:06,623
boards and all the different

1493
00:48:06,623 --> 00:48:07,658
things that we are on.

1494
00:48:07,658 --> 00:48:08,292
Some of the information is

1495
00:48:08,292 --> 00:48:09,926
already available.

1496
00:48:09,926 --> 00:48:11,361
It's just not plastered out

1497
00:48:11,361 --> 00:48:12,562
there and I don't think there

1498
00:48:12,562 --> 00:48:13,797
should be nothing wrong with

1499
00:48:13,797 --> 00:48:14,965
showing attend ansz of council

1500
00:48:14,965 --> 00:48:15,399
members showing, what we are

1501
00:48:15,399 --> 00:48:17,268
doing.

1502
00:48:17,268 --> 00:48:18,969
I think a step further and going

1503
00:48:18,969 --> 00:48:21,104
to show the legislative items we

1504
00:48:21,104 --> 00:48:23,174
are work on and the commitments

1505
00:48:23,174 --> 00:48:25,143
we have in the community in our

1506
00:48:25,143 --> 00:48:26,477
district because then as you

1507
00:48:26,477 --> 00:48:27,678
stated, it goes back into the

1508
00:48:27,678 --> 00:48:29,513
number one recommendation to

1509
00:48:29,513 --> 00:48:31,382
show, yo have increased the

1510
00:48:31,382 --> 00:48:31,582
pay, what work are they actually

1511
00:48:31,582 --> 00:48:33,170
doing.

1512
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:33,417
How much time are they actually

1513
00:48:33,417 --> 00:48:34,985
putting in.

1514
00:48:34,985 --> 00:48:36,860
I don't think there is ever an

1515
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:38,389
issue to are me specifically

1516
00:48:38,389 --> 00:48:40,792
when it comes to transparency,

1517
00:48:40,792 --> 00:48:42,226
or ctbility for this role.

1518
00:48:42,226 --> 00:48:42,426
And -- accountability for this

1519
00:48:42,426 --> 00:48:44,426
role.

1520
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:47,131
And I would support there is

1521
00:48:47,131 --> 00:48:49,000
nothing wrong and it could only

1522
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,635
benefit the city to ensure there

1523
00:48:50,635 --> 00:48:52,603
are regular opportunities to

1524
00:48:52,603 --> 00:48:54,380
reflect and evaluate and make

1525
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:55,239
the updates to meet the evolving

1526
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,241
needs of our community.

1527
00:48:56,241 --> 00:48:58,743
I look forward to this moving

1528
00:48:58,743 --> 00:48:59,844
through the process and the

1529
00:48:59,844 --> 00:49:01,245
residents to be the ones to make

1530
00:49:01,245 --> 00:49:01,545
the decision hopefully.

1531
00:49:01,545 --> 00:49:03,545
Thank you.

1532
00:49:04,548 --> 00:49:05,160
>> Chair: thank you.

1533
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Council member eblen.

1534
00:49:07,151 --> 00:49:09,151
>> thank you, chair.

1535
00:49:09,354 --> 00:49:11,890
My questions have been answered

1536
00:49:11,890 --> 00:49:11,389
by the questions from my

1537
00:49:11,389 --> 00:49:13,389
colleagues.

1538
00:49:13,391 --> 00:49:13,725
I want to thank you for this

1539
00:49:13,725 --> 00:49:15,694
process.

1540
00:49:15,694 --> 00:49:16,894
I came into this role as a big

1541
00:49:16,894 --> 00:49:18,863
fan of civiclex.

1542
00:49:18,863 --> 00:49:20,398
I think the way it was thought

1543
00:49:20,398 --> 00:49:22,501
out and the commission members

1544
00:49:22,501 --> 00:49:24,103
who put a lot of effort into

1545
00:49:24,103 --> 00:49:24,969
this and your recommendations

1546
00:49:24,969 --> 00:49:26,104
were outstanding.

1547
00:49:26,104 --> 00:49:27,505
Thank you for the work and I'm

1548
00:49:27,505 --> 00:49:29,700
just really impressed by all

1549
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:30,141
that went into it and especially

1550
00:49:30,141 --> 00:49:30,676
what came out of it.

1551
00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:32,676
so thank you.

1552
00:49:34,279 --> 00:49:35,713
>> thank you.

1553
00:49:35,713 --> 00:49:37,783
>> Chair: I want to take a

1554
00:49:37,783 --> 00:49:38,884
couple of moments to share my

1555
00:49:38,884 --> 00:49:40,251
thoughts and comments and then

1556
00:49:40,251 --> 00:49:42,721
I'm going to turn it over to

1557
00:49:42,721 --> 00:49:45,991
vice mayor wu to wrap things up.

1558
00:49:45,991 --> 00:49:46,625
But again, I extend my thanks to

1559
00:49:46,625 --> 00:49:49,625
everyone who has been involved

1560
00:49:50,261 --> 00:49:52,261
in this.

1561
00:49:52,564 --> 00:49:53,899
I have -- I'm really excited

1562
00:49:53,899 --> 00:49:55,100
about the level of engagement

1563
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:55,934
that we have gotten from the

1564
00:49:55,934 --> 00:49:57,903
community on this.

1565
00:49:57,903 --> 00:49:59,337
So you heard a couple of us

1566
00:49:59,337 --> 00:50:00,772
already say like we tend to hear

1567
00:50:00,772 --> 00:50:03,709
from the same people over and

1568
00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:05,709
over again.

1569
00:50:08,214 --> 00:50:10,383
And and it's great and we want

1570
00:50:10,383 --> 00:50:11,249
to hear from them, we also want

1571
00:50:11,249 --> 00:50:11,517
to hear from the broader

1572
00:50:11,517 --> 00:50:13,218
community.

1573
00:50:13,218 --> 00:50:15,754
I'm interested to do a year from

1574
00:50:15,754 --> 00:50:16,888
now, where are they now on our

1575
00:50:16,888 --> 00:50:18,257
civic assemblymembers.

1576
00:50:18,257 --> 00:50:20,593
Like did you stay engaged or

1577
00:50:20,593 --> 00:50:22,894
like how did you get involved in

1578
00:50:22,894 --> 00:50:25,894
local government in other ways?

1579
00:50:26,499 --> 00:50:26,832
Did we get you into a board or a

1580
00:50:26,832 --> 00:50:28,701
commission?

1581
00:50:28,701 --> 00:50:30,903
Or participate in some other way

1582
00:50:30,903 --> 00:50:32,104
with our local government?

1583
00:50:32,104 --> 00:50:35,274
But I would also be interested

1584
00:50:35,274 --> 00:50:37,900
to see if there is a way for us

1585
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:38,544
to engage over 300 people that

1586
00:50:38,544 --> 00:50:39,545
returned their postcard that

1587
00:50:39,545 --> 00:50:41,714
said they would be willing to

1588
00:50:41,714 --> 00:50:45,170
give of their time in this way

1589
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:46,652
because we definitely want that

1590
00:50:46,652 --> 00:50:49,355
broader caption, like vice mayor

1591
00:50:49,355 --> 00:50:52,858
wu was talking about, the pie

1592
00:50:52,858 --> 00:50:55,610
charts and how well represented

1593
00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:56,662
the assembly was based on the

1594
00:50:56,662 --> 00:50:58,130
data that we have about our

1595
00:50:58,130 --> 00:51:00,530
community and my researcher

1596
00:51:00,533 --> 00:51:01,668
heart was like, yes.

1597
00:51:01,668 --> 00:51:03,703
I love to see it.

1598
00:51:03,703 --> 00:51:06,105
But I would like to see that in

1599
00:51:06,105 --> 00:51:07,307
all of our issues that come

1600
00:51:07,307 --> 00:51:08,274
before council when we get

1601
00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:09,643
feedback from the community.

1602
00:51:09,643 --> 00:51:11,277
I want to see the data that

1603
00:51:11,277 --> 00:51:14,481
looks like that when we are

1604
00:51:14,481 --> 00:51:15,882
looking at the demographics.

1605
00:51:15,882 --> 00:51:17,750
I applaud ow that effort because

1606
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:19,652
I know it was not small.

1607
00:51:19,652 --> 00:51:22,689
I want to see how we can keep

1608
00:51:22,689 --> 00:51:23,957
people engabbinged that spent --

1609
00:51:23,957 --> 00:51:25,250
engaged that spent all this time

1610
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,425
learning about government and

1611
00:51:27,694 --> 00:51:28,561
keep them involved.

1612
00:51:28,561 --> 00:51:30,561
And then.

1613
00:51:31,731 --> 00:51:33,466
I will be interested to see how

1614
00:51:33,466 --> 00:51:35,866
the conversation and definition

1615
00:51:36,970 --> 00:51:39,970
around attendance goes on the

1616
00:51:43,843 --> 00:51:45,110
accountability piece we have our

1617
00:51:45,110 --> 00:51:47,110
standing committee meetings,

1618
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:48,115
work seases and budget meetings

1619
00:51:48,115 --> 00:51:49,482
that are fixed.

1620
00:51:49,482 --> 00:51:50,317
Quite often we also serve in

1621
00:51:50,317 --> 00:51:51,518
council member seats on boards

1622
00:51:51,518 --> 00:51:53,153
and commissions.

1623
00:51:53,153 --> 00:51:54,488
So likely that be a part of the

1624
00:51:54,488 --> 00:51:56,356
attendance reporting?

1625
00:51:56,356 --> 00:51:57,558
Like how will we define that

1626
00:51:57,558 --> 00:51:59,558
piece.

1627
00:52:03,763 --> 00:52:04,331
I will follow along I think

1628
00:52:04,331 --> 00:52:05,866
that's interesting.

1629
00:52:05,866 --> 00:52:07,267
If we are going to talk about

1630
00:52:07,267 --> 00:52:08,802
this at the JUNE 2 work session,

1631
00:52:08,802 --> 00:52:10,204
we will need to discuss how this

1632
00:52:10,204 --> 00:52:10,470
moves from committee to work

1633
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:12,500
session.

1634
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:14,808
So I'm going to turn the mic

1635
00:52:14,808 --> 00:52:16,344
over vice mayor wu to discuss

1636
00:52:16,344 --> 00:52:16,543
what actions we MAY need to

1637
00:52:16,543 --> 00:52:18,543
take.

1638
00:52:20,981 --> 00:52:22,981
>> thank you, chair.

1639
00:52:23,384 --> 00:52:24,384
Just adding to chair sheehan's

1640
00:52:24,384 --> 00:52:26,487
comments about partnerships, I

1641
00:52:26,487 --> 00:52:27,989
feel like we have activated 30

1642
00:52:27,989 --> 00:52:28,856
something potential community

1643
00:52:28,856 --> 00:52:30,856
champions for lexington.

1644
00:52:30,925 --> 00:52:33,561
So I hope this is not the last

1645
00:52:33,561 --> 00:52:33,995
time you will show up in council

1646
00:52:33,995 --> 00:52:35,296
chambers.

1647
00:52:35,296 --> 00:52:36,130
We love for you all to get on

1648
00:52:36,130 --> 00:52:37,398
boards and commissions.

1649
00:52:37,398 --> 00:52:38,299
We have 70 boards and

1650
00:52:38,299 --> 00:52:39,400
commissions in the city.

1651
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,467
anything you are interested or

1652
00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:41,903
passionate about, there is

1653
00:52:41,903 --> 00:52:43,638
probably a board out there for

1654
00:52:43,638 --> 00:52:45,773
you and you are always welcome

1655
00:52:45,773 --> 00:52:47,909
to contact me or the rest of

1656
00:52:47,909 --> 00:52:51,312
council on questions and kind of

1657
00:52:51,312 --> 00:52:51,579
how to manufacture in that

1658
00:52:51,579 --> 00:52:53,515
direction.

1659
00:52:53,515 --> 00:52:54,810
I want to address one comment

1660
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:56,250
council member sevigny made

1661
00:52:56,250 --> 00:52:56,885
about the accountability piece

1662
00:52:56,885 --> 00:52:58,653
of it.

1663
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:00,622
Like could we not just do our

1664
00:53:00,622 --> 00:53:04,222
own thing in terms of creating

1665
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,729
our own ordinances and

1666
00:53:07,729 --> 00:53:09,697
resolutions.

1667
00:53:09,697 --> 00:53:10,464
I like the idea of putting

1668
00:53:10,464 --> 00:53:12,333
something on the ballot that

1669
00:53:12,333 --> 00:53:15,333
gives us a little flexibility

1670
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:17,472
and also holds us account.

1671
00:53:17,472 --> 00:53:19,207
Changing the ballot is harder

1672
00:53:19,207 --> 00:53:21,607
than changing an ordinance.

1673
00:53:21,709 --> 00:53:23,478
It can be undone fairly easily.

1674
00:53:23,478 --> 00:53:24,779
As opposed to a ballot

1675
00:53:24,779 --> 00:53:25,980
initiative if we didn't like

1676
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:28,183
that particular item in the

1677
00:53:28,183 --> 00:53:29,384
ballot, you know, hopefully in

1678
00:53:29,384 --> 00:53:30,718
eight years, somebody will make

1679
00:53:30,718 --> 00:53:31,850
a different kind of

1680
00:53:31,850 --> 00:53:32,454
recommendation.

1681
00:53:32,454 --> 00:53:33,121
So I like things being codified

1682
00:53:33,121 --> 00:53:35,121
that way.

1683
00:53:36,625 --> 00:53:37,492
Before I make my motion,

1684
00:53:37,492 --> 00:53:39,360
MS. Anderson, can you talk us

1685
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,595
through, if this item moves out

1686
00:53:40,595 --> 00:53:42,664
of committee today, can you give

1687
00:53:42,664 --> 00:53:44,633
us a quick timeline all the way

1688
00:53:44,633 --> 00:53:47,633
to election day in NOVEMBER?

1689
00:53:51,306 --> 00:53:53,442
>> yes, so working backwards,

1690
00:53:53,442 --> 00:53:54,420
election day is novemberment

1691
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:55,544
deadline for questions in the

1692
00:53:55,544 --> 00:53:55,777
ballot is the first week of

1693
00:53:55,777 --> 00:53:57,777
AUGUST.

1694
00:53:58,513 --> 00:53:59,914
I believe this year it is AUGUST 3 or 4.

1695
00:53:59,914 --> 00:54:02,451
And that is when the language

1696
00:54:02,451 --> 00:54:05,620
has to be turned over to the

1697
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:06,880
count clerk to end up on the

1698
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,389
ballot.

1699
00:54:07,389 --> 00:54:10,659
So council would just need to

1700
00:54:10,659 --> 00:54:12,428
make their final -- your final

1701
00:54:12,428 --> 00:54:15,130
vote to meet that deadline.

1702
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:18,130
In terms of crafting the

1703
00:54:18,534 --> 00:54:19,401
language, I think that we are

1704
00:54:19,401 --> 00:54:21,170
still interested -- this is

1705
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:22,271
really the first time we have

1706
00:54:22,271 --> 00:54:23,106
convened the assembly since our

1707
00:54:23,106 --> 00:54:24,540
final session.

1708
00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:26,308
And we are certainly also

1709
00:54:26,308 --> 00:54:28,477
willing to help work on the

1710
00:54:28,477 --> 00:54:29,211
language, but that would be the

1711
00:54:29,211 --> 00:54:30,613
ultimate timeline.

1712
00:54:30,613 --> 00:54:32,247
>> I appreciate that.

1713
00:54:32,247 --> 00:54:34,416
I think with that timeline, if

1714
00:54:34,416 --> 00:54:37,153
it is the intent of this council

1715
00:54:37,153 --> 00:54:38,821
to potentially put things on the

1716
00:54:38,821 --> 00:54:40,323
ballot, my recommendation would

1717
00:54:40,323 --> 00:54:41,758
be that we do it before summer

1718
00:54:41,758 --> 00:54:44,394
break because we are not back

1719
00:54:44,394 --> 00:54:44,660
the first week of AUGUST into

1720
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:46,660
session.

1721
00:54:47,129 --> 00:54:49,666
So with that in mind, I move to

1722
00:54:49,666 --> 00:54:51,330
accept the recommendations of

1723
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:53,433
the civic assembly regarding

1724
00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:54,971
council compensation council

1725
00:54:54,971 --> 00:54:56,971
accountability and charter

1726
00:54:58,808 --> 00:55:00,900
review as set forth in today's

1727
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:02,409
presentation and refer the

1728
00:55:02,846 --> 00:55:04,914
amendments regarding the same to

1729
00:55:04,914 --> 00:55:05,147
full council on work session

1730
00:55:05,147 --> 00:55:06,480
JUNE 2.

1731
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,550
>> second.

1732
00:55:07,550 --> 00:55:07,783
>> Chair: we have a motion and a

1733
00:55:07,783 --> 00:55:09,783
second.

1734
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,887
Any discussion on the motion?

1735
00:55:11,887 --> 00:55:13,887
Council member brown.

1736
00:55:14,924 --> 00:55:16,893
>> thank you, thank you, chair.

1737
00:55:16,893 --> 00:55:18,628
Just to be clear.

1738
00:55:18,628 --> 00:55:19,462
This is not accepting the

1739
00:55:19,462 --> 00:55:20,930
recommendations as presented.

1740
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:23,166
This is just moving it forward

1741
00:55:23,166 --> 00:55:24,801
to the full council to consider.

1742
00:55:24,801 --> 00:55:26,801
>> that's correct.

1743
00:55:29,406 --> 00:55:31,406
>> thank you.

1744
00:55:31,875 --> 00:55:33,410
>> Chair: can we clarify because

1745
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:37,610
you say I move to accept the

1746
00:55:39,316 --> 00:55:41,316
recommendation.

1747
00:55:41,718 --> 00:55:44,587
>> I think -- I mean ultimately

1748
00:55:44,587 --> 00:55:45,822
like this committee can't make a

1749
00:55:45,822 --> 00:55:46,790
final vote on putting things on

1750
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:48,525
the ballot.

1751
00:55:48,525 --> 00:55:50,600
so I'm okay with that language

1752
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:51,161
if it is the understanding of

1753
00:55:51,161 --> 00:55:53,997
council that we are moving it

1754
00:55:53,997 --> 00:55:55,365
out of ggp, into full work

1755
00:55:55,365 --> 00:55:57,935
session for that discussion on

1756
00:55:57,935 --> 00:55:59,903
whether or not we want to move

1757
00:55:59,903 --> 00:56:00,871
these potential ballot measures

1758
00:56:00,871 --> 00:56:02,539
forward.

1759
00:56:02,539 --> 00:56:03,740
>> Chair: and then to be clear,

1760
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:06,430
the JUNE 2 reportout we might

1761
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:07,678
have changes to the language

1762
00:56:07,678 --> 00:56:09,547
that could be presented to the

1763
00:56:09,547 --> 00:56:12,547
full council during that report

1764
00:56:12,949 --> 00:56:14,251
out discussion and then JUNE 4

1765
00:56:14,251 --> 00:56:17,851
and 9 would be first and second

1766
00:56:19,523 --> 00:56:19,823
reading if it passes on JUNE 2.

1767
00:56:19,823 --> 00:56:21,823
MR. Cravens.

1768
00:56:21,826 --> 00:56:24,895
>> yes, I think accepted in this

1769
00:56:24,895 --> 00:56:25,762
context means you are receiving

1770
00:56:25,762 --> 00:56:27,197
their recommendations.

1771
00:56:27,197 --> 00:56:28,365
You are not actually approving

1772
00:56:28,365 --> 00:56:29,166
their recommendations.

1773
00:56:29,166 --> 00:56:31,235
You are accepting them.

1774
00:56:31,235 --> 00:56:34,105
And just so you are aware, what

1775
00:56:34,105 --> 00:56:35,406
I would like to do to facilitate

1776
00:56:35,406 --> 00:56:38,406
your conversation on JUNE 2 is

1777
00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:40,645
have a draft ordinance with the

1778
00:56:40,645 --> 00:56:42,790
changes that we worked on with

1779
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:43,614
civiclex to kind of capture as

1780
00:56:43,614 --> 00:56:44,716
best we can and resolve some of

1781
00:56:44,716 --> 00:56:46,160
the discussion points talked

1782
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,820
about today so that we are not

1783
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:50,454
just talking a vacuum on JUNE 2.

1784
00:56:50,454 --> 00:56:53,425
We have something we can

1785
00:56:53,425 --> 00:56:53,624
actually act upon or you can act

1786
00:56:53,624 --> 00:56:54,526
upon.

1787
00:56:54,526 --> 00:56:56,270
>> thank you for the

1788
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:58,427
clarification on the language.

1789
00:57:00,765 --> 00:57:02,990
Any other discussion?

1790
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:04,269
All those in favor?

1791
00:57:04,269 --> 00:57:06,269
>> aye.

1792
00:57:06,604 --> 00:57:07,304
>> Chair: any opposed?

1793
00:57:07,304 --> 00:57:08,600
That motion passes.

1794
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,600
Thank you everyone.

1795
00:57:10,642 --> 00:57:12,811
And I just want to add one quick

1796
00:57:12,811 --> 00:57:16,114
thanks as well to lex tv because

1797
00:57:16,114 --> 00:57:17,849
I know that they worked very

1798
00:57:17,849 --> 00:57:20,352
hard on live streaming and

1799
00:57:20,352 --> 00:57:22,530
making the session are available

1800
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:25,423
to folks outside of the meeting.

1801
00:57:25,423 --> 00:57:25,890
so thank you.

1802
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:27,890
Okay.

1803
00:57:30,328 --> 00:57:32,197
Our next item on our agenda is

1804
00:57:32,197 --> 00:57:35,197
the landlord and tenant advisory

1805
00:57:37,350 --> 00:57:37,802
groups presentation on how this

1806
00:57:37,802 --> 00:57:39,802
initiative is going.

1807
00:57:43,475 --> 00:57:44,109
This is council member lynch's

1808
00:57:44,109 --> 00:57:45,777
item in committee.

1809
00:57:45,777 --> 00:57:46,678
I'm going to turn it over to

1810
00:57:46,678 --> 00:57:48,460
director lanter and council

1811
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:49,381
member lynch will give us some

1812
00:57:49,381 --> 00:57:51,783
closing remarks toward the end.

1813
00:57:51,783 --> 00:57:52,451
Take it away, director or

1814
00:57:52,451 --> 00:57:54,451
commissioner, sorry.

1815
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:56,540
>> did you want to do an

1816
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:56,555
introduction?

1817
00:57:56,555 --> 00:57:58,123
Great.

1818
00:57:58,123 --> 00:57:58,891
I will begin with the

1819
00:57:58,891 --> 00:57:59,658
presentation that is

1820
00:57:59,658 --> 00:58:00,959
significantly less interesting

1821
00:58:00,959 --> 00:58:02,160
than the charter.

1822
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,495
I appreciate you all having us

1823
00:58:03,495 --> 00:58:05,230
out to talk about this.

1824
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:07,650
The landlord-tenant advisory

1825
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:08,660
group this is a straightforward.

1826
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:09,735
You MAY recall something we have

1827
00:58:09,735 --> 00:58:12,471
been working on in our office

1828
00:58:12,471 --> 00:58:13,539
really since the inception phs

1829
00:58:13,539 --> 00:58:14,873
office almost four years ago and

1830
00:58:14,873 --> 00:58:17,142
that is just to make sure that

1831
00:58:17,142 --> 00:58:18,577
we are building feedback loops

1832
00:58:18,577 --> 00:58:22,177
into the divisions so that the

1833
00:58:22,882 --> 00:58:23,750
work they do is informed by both

1834
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,284
of these groups because those

1835
00:58:25,284 --> 00:58:26,785
are the two groups that their

1836
00:58:26,785 --> 00:58:29,121
work impacts the most and also

1837
00:58:29,121 --> 00:58:30,423
that we are hearing from them,

1838
00:58:30,423 --> 00:58:34,230
what their needs are in the

1839
00:58:39,866 --> 00:58:41,866
community.

1840
00:58:43,603 --> 00:58:46,906
2023 we originally had this as a

1841
00:58:46,906 --> 00:58:48,607
more inform al group, and they

1842
00:58:48,607 --> 00:58:50,420
met quarterly.

1843
00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:51,577
The landlord and tenant groups

1844
00:58:51,577 --> 00:58:53,577
each met quarterly.

1845
00:58:54,414 --> 00:58:56,480
It started when we had some

1846
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,160
requests for more tenant

1847
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,785
representation on boards and

1848
00:58:58,785 --> 00:59:01,870
commissions which itself is a

1849
00:59:01,870 --> 00:59:04,357
complex issue that we can talk

1850
00:59:04,357 --> 00:59:04,591
about that we have been working

1851
00:59:04,591 --> 00:59:06,591
on.

1852
00:59:06,659 --> 00:59:07,660
The biggest barrier to that

1853
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:09,595
often is memberships on boards

1854
00:59:09,595 --> 00:59:11,130
and commissions as all of us

1855
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,730
know, can be very time consuming

1856
00:59:16,302 --> 00:59:18,380
and require a lot of meetings

1857
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:19,139
and not always conducive to

1858
00:59:19,139 --> 00:59:20,440
people's personal schedules and

1859
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,542
family schedules so we tried to

1860
00:59:22,542 --> 00:59:23,876
make this as simple and easy for

1861
00:59:23,876 --> 00:59:25,178
these folks as we can to be

1862
00:59:25,178 --> 00:59:28,178
heard and to influence our

1863
00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:38,124
policy as an office not formally

1864
00:59:38,124 --> 00:59:40,393
reporting and the agenda is fed

1865
00:59:40,393 --> 00:59:44,130
by the division so they feed up

1866
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:45,332
into the commissioner's office

1867
00:59:45,332 --> 00:59:47,400
and back down from the meeting,

1868
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,268
the feedback that we get from

1869
00:59:48,268 --> 00:59:50,136
the two groups.

1870
00:59:50,136 --> 00:59:50,804
Just taking a look at the

1871
00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:52,500
landlord advisory group.

1872
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:52,672
This one started out with a

1873
00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:54,641
group of 12.

1874
00:59:54,641 --> 00:59:56,710
And we worked really hard to try

1875
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:58,378
and choose the different sort of

1876
00:59:58,378 --> 01:00:00,547
sectors of the market to make

1877
01:00:00,547 --> 01:00:02,149
sure that the different types of

1878
01:00:02,149 --> 01:00:04,149
landlord were represented.

1879
01:00:06,887 --> 01:00:09,523
The issues that a corporate

1880
01:00:09,523 --> 01:00:12,523
owner with 400 units faces are

1881
01:00:13,494 --> 01:00:14,695
significantly different than a

1882
01:00:14,695 --> 01:00:16,564
rental units.

1883
01:00:16,564 --> 01:00:17,898
And we, we are successful at

1884
01:00:17,898 --> 01:00:19,633
building a group that

1885
01:00:19,633 --> 01:00:21,268
represented all of them.

1886
01:00:21,268 --> 01:00:23,170
These are some of the topics

1887
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:23,737
that the group has looked at.

1888
01:00:23,737 --> 01:00:24,705
Basically everything you can

1889
01:00:24,705 --> 01:00:26,473
think of.

1890
01:00:26,473 --> 01:00:29,210
We have spent some time on with

1891
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:29,810
both the landlord and the tenant

1892
01:00:29,810 --> 01:00:31,810
groups.

1893
01:00:32,613 --> 01:00:34,381
As you can see, it is most more

1894
01:00:34,381 --> 01:00:35,149
focused on building and property

1895
01:00:35,149 --> 01:00:36,384
maintenance, code enforcement.

1896
01:00:36,384 --> 01:00:37,451
Code is there every time talking

1897
01:00:37,451 --> 01:00:39,451
to them.

1898
01:00:39,653 --> 01:00:40,888
We have had other divisions come

1899
01:00:40,888 --> 01:00:43,570
in, planning has come in and

1900
01:00:43,570 --> 01:00:43,858
talked to them about the urban

1901
01:00:43,858 --> 01:00:45,693
growth management zota and so

1902
01:00:45,693 --> 01:00:47,662
it's just a great way to reach

1903
01:00:47,662 --> 01:00:50,662
that group without having to,

1904
01:00:51,532 --> 01:00:52,834
you know, do it so informally.

1905
01:00:52,834 --> 01:00:55,336
More recently we are looking to

1906
01:00:55,336 --> 01:00:57,638
kind of revitalize this group.

1907
01:00:57,638 --> 01:00:58,739
As you can imagine, they can be

1908
01:00:58,739 --> 01:01:01,139
difficult to get together.

1909
01:01:01,476 --> 01:01:01,910
We have tried different meeting

1910
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:03,544
times.

1911
01:01:03,544 --> 01:01:05,613
We feed them, buy them lunch.

1912
01:01:05,613 --> 01:01:08,490
And we get good attendance from

1913
01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:08,617
certain groups, not so good

1914
01:01:08,617 --> 01:01:10,617
attendance from others.

1915
01:01:10,886 --> 01:01:13,955
What I have tried to do is

1916
01:01:13,955 --> 01:01:15,390
branch out and so for the groups

1917
01:01:15,390 --> 01:01:17,259
that we are not seeing which

1918
01:01:17,259 --> 01:01:18,326
tend to be the larger ones, the

1919
01:01:18,326 --> 01:01:19,895
more corporate entities that

1920
01:01:19,895 --> 01:01:20,228
don't come in, I'm going to

1921
01:01:20,228 --> 01:01:22,228
them.

1922
01:01:22,831 --> 01:01:24,832
And so we recently joined the

1923
01:01:24,832 --> 01:01:26,167
central kentucky apartment

1924
01:01:26,167 --> 01:01:27,569
association's advisory committee

1925
01:01:27,569 --> 01:01:29,569
for public advocacy.

1926
01:01:30,338 --> 01:01:31,739
I sit in on all those meetings

1927
01:01:31,739 --> 01:01:33,174
to hear what their issues are

1928
01:01:33,174 --> 01:01:33,441
and bring them back to the

1929
01:01:33,441 --> 01:01:34,843
group.

1930
01:01:34,843 --> 01:01:36,110
We MAY not be able to meet with

1931
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:36,911
everyone in the group but we are

1932
01:01:36,911 --> 01:01:38,880
still hearing them.

1933
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,415
And we are going to revitalize

1934
01:01:40,415 --> 01:01:42,617
that membership because some of

1935
01:01:42,617 --> 01:01:44,586
our folks have fallen off and we

1936
01:01:44,586 --> 01:01:46,654
are replacing them with new

1937
01:01:46,654 --> 01:01:48,957
groups and we'll get the new

1938
01:01:48,957 --> 01:01:50,158
group kicked off this summer.

1939
01:01:50,158 --> 01:01:52,270
Probably healthy, to be honest

1940
01:01:52,270 --> 01:01:55,964
with you, that we do flush out

1941
01:01:55,964 --> 01:01:57,266
the membership every so often.

1942
01:01:57,266 --> 01:01:58,600
Flush out is probably not the

1943
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,600
best word.

1944
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:03,305
Transition or turnover, for

1945
01:02:03,305 --> 01:02:03,972
fresh ideas and new

1946
01:02:03,972 --> 01:02:05,707
perspectives.

1947
01:02:05,707 --> 01:02:06,108
Tenant advisory group, same

1948
01:02:06,108 --> 01:02:07,575
approach.

1949
01:02:07,575 --> 01:02:08,978
We wanted to represent as many

1950
01:02:08,978 --> 01:02:10,746
different groups as possible

1951
01:02:10,746 --> 01:02:13,382
within the subset of renters.

1952
01:02:13,382 --> 01:02:14,583
So you've got families with

1953
01:02:14,583 --> 01:02:16,118
children but you also have

1954
01:02:16,118 --> 01:02:16,985
people who experienced

1955
01:02:16,985 --> 01:02:18,854
homelessness, seniors, people

1956
01:02:18,854 --> 01:02:19,355
who live in housing authority

1957
01:02:19,355 --> 01:02:21,355
property.

1958
01:02:22,892 --> 01:02:25,961
We tried to account for every

1959
01:02:25,961 --> 01:02:26,795
possible angle for a renter;

1960
01:02:26,795 --> 01:02:28,300
which can be difficult.

1961
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:29,232
You can imagine we had our

1962
01:02:29,232 --> 01:02:29,932
biggest attendance challenges

1963
01:02:29,932 --> 01:02:31,932
with this group.

1964
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:37,700
We have tried offering night

1965
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:39,141
meetings, food, child care.

1966
01:02:39,141 --> 01:02:41,844
We have offered everything you

1967
01:02:41,844 --> 01:02:44,247
can offer and we tend to get

1968
01:02:44,247 --> 01:02:45,648
about 50 to 30% attendance on a

1969
01:02:45,648 --> 01:02:47,116
good day.

1970
01:02:47,116 --> 01:02:47,517
So that was extremely

1971
01:02:47,517 --> 01:02:49,285
challenging.

1972
01:02:49,285 --> 01:02:50,386
We had one meeting that we went

1973
01:02:50,386 --> 01:02:53,789
to and none of the members

1974
01:02:53,789 --> 01:02:56,789
showed up for the meeting.

1975
01:03:06,703 --> 01:03:07,903
None.

1976
01:03:07,903 --> 01:03:08,905
So we went to the organizations

1977
01:03:08,905 --> 01:03:10,640
that work with the tenants and

1978
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,142
said can you give us people or

1979
01:03:13,142 --> 01:03:13,376
staff to come talk about these

1980
01:03:13,376 --> 01:03:15,345
issues?

1981
01:03:15,345 --> 01:03:16,446
It's not as pure as a pure

1982
01:03:16,446 --> 01:03:17,981
tenant advisory group is because

1983
01:03:17,981 --> 01:03:19,515
it's largely organizations

1984
01:03:19,515 --> 01:03:20,917
although we have added folks who

1985
01:03:20,917 --> 01:03:21,618
are grassroots as we have

1986
01:03:21,618 --> 01:03:23,319
encountered them.

1987
01:03:23,319 --> 01:03:24,954
We have a very low barrier to

1988
01:03:24,954 --> 01:03:26,823
you joining us in this group.

1989
01:03:26,823 --> 01:03:28,191
It's very informal but we do at

1990
01:03:28,191 --> 01:03:30,260
least get people to come and so

1991
01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:31,127
we are getting some productive

1992
01:03:31,127 --> 01:03:32,628
conversations out of those.

1993
01:03:32,628 --> 01:03:32,829
The last one was actually quite

1994
01:03:32,829 --> 01:03:34,163
good.

1995
01:03:34,163 --> 01:03:36,366
And we are going to continue to

1996
01:03:36,366 --> 01:03:37,867
work with that group to bring in

1997
01:03:37,867 --> 01:03:40,867
more actual tenants and make

1998
01:03:43,774 --> 01:03:45,442
sure the tenants they work with

1999
01:03:45,442 --> 01:03:45,742
to make sure they're all

2000
01:03:45,742 --> 01:03:47,770
represented.

2001
01:03:47,770 --> 01:03:50,677
they have met now five times.

2002
01:03:52,882 --> 01:03:55,882
This is the newly reconstituted

2003
01:04:11,368 --> 01:04:12,803
group.

2004
01:04:12,803 --> 01:04:13,804
You both fell off at different

2005
01:04:13,804 --> 01:04:15,873
points along the way and had to

2006
01:04:15,873 --> 01:04:17,274
be picked up and rejuvenated and

2007
01:04:17,274 --> 01:04:17,942
we are still in the process with

2008
01:04:17,942 --> 01:04:19,142
one of them.

2009
01:04:19,142 --> 01:04:20,440
The landlord group although we

2010
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,440
are very much in communications

2011
01:04:23,647 --> 01:04:24,748
with those members.

2012
01:04:24,748 --> 01:04:28,348
Happy to take questions but that

2013
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:34,580
is where we stand as of today.

2014
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:36,260
>> Chair: colleagues sign in if

2015
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:37,161
you would like to have a comment

2016
01:04:37,161 --> 01:04:38,280
or a question.

2017
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,430
Council member brown.

2018
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:42,430
>> thank you, chair and thank

2019
01:04:43,701 --> 01:04:44,168
you commissioner for the

2020
01:04:44,168 --> 01:04:46,168
presentation.

2021
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:47,371
Was today's presentation fyi, to

2022
01:04:47,371 --> 01:04:49,307
let us know your efforts.

2023
01:04:49,307 --> 01:04:49,506
>> an update on how it has been

2024
01:04:49,506 --> 01:04:51,506
going.

2025
01:04:52,509 --> 01:04:53,811
>> okay.

2026
01:04:53,811 --> 01:04:54,212
Commissioner, what do you think

2027
01:04:54,212 --> 01:04:55,346
moving forward?

2028
01:04:55,346 --> 01:04:58,849
Do you think these groups need

2029
01:04:58,849 --> 01:05:03,490
to be codified in some form of

2030
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:08,159
an official board or commission

2031
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:09,494
to maybe give recommendations.

2032
01:05:09,494 --> 01:05:11,563
>> I would caution against that.

2033
01:05:11,563 --> 01:05:13,231
We are having a hard enough time

2034
01:05:13,231 --> 01:05:14,866
pulling it together in an

2035
01:05:14,866 --> 01:05:16,167
informal basis.

2036
01:05:16,167 --> 01:05:17,702
Formalizing it would make it

2037
01:05:17,702 --> 01:05:18,937
more difficult and would create

2038
01:05:18,937 --> 01:05:20,805
an obligation for the office and

2039
01:05:20,805 --> 01:05:23,341
if the group doesn't meet, I

2040
01:05:23,341 --> 01:05:24,976
have to find them and pull them

2041
01:05:24,976 --> 01:05:25,710
together and reschedule it to

2042
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:27,646
meet the ordinance requirement.

2043
01:05:27,646 --> 01:05:30,148
I think the informal nature of

2044
01:05:30,148 --> 01:05:32,350
it allows it to be more flexible

2045
01:05:32,350 --> 01:05:33,552
with memberships, with topics,

2046
01:05:33,552 --> 01:05:35,187
all of the things because so far

2047
01:05:35,187 --> 01:05:36,621
we have not been able to get

2048
01:05:36,621 --> 01:05:38,123
either of these groups into

2049
01:05:38,123 --> 01:05:39,491
enough of a routine that I would

2050
01:05:39,491 --> 01:05:41,359
be comfortable saying that if

2051
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:42,360
you codified this, I could

2052
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,960
promise you in two years it will

2053
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:46,298
be running like a train.

2054
01:05:46,298 --> 01:05:47,833
The two groups themselves are

2055
01:05:47,833 --> 01:05:48,133
not super engaged with the

2056
01:05:48,133 --> 01:05:50,133
government.

2057
01:05:50,502 --> 01:05:54,102
You have to really massage that

2058
01:05:54,706 --> 01:05:56,508
to get it.

2059
01:05:56,508 --> 01:05:58,476
>> would you rather leave these

2060
01:05:58,476 --> 01:06:00,246
as unofficial ad hoc groups that

2061
01:06:00,246 --> 01:06:03,846
you bring together and have the

2062
01:06:03,849 --> 01:06:05,151
opportunity to bounce ideas off,

2063
01:06:05,151 --> 01:06:06,151
and policies and get feedback%

2064
01:06:06,151 --> 01:06:06,685
and see if it is something you

2065
01:06:06,685 --> 01:06:08,685
can grow?

2066
01:06:09,121 --> 01:06:09,288
>> that's worked well for us so

2067
01:06:09,288 --> 01:06:10,422
far.

2068
01:06:10,422 --> 01:06:11,657
>> let me ask this.

2069
01:06:11,657 --> 01:06:13,858
In regards to because it sounds

2070
01:06:13,858 --> 01:06:15,494
like you are really having a

2071
01:06:15,494 --> 01:06:17,129
hard time convening the tenant

2072
01:06:17,129 --> 01:06:18,330
group and you tried everything

2073
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:20,565
as far as bringing them here.

2074
01:06:20,565 --> 01:06:21,767
Have you tried going out to them

2075
01:06:21,767 --> 01:06:23,635
like having them attend a

2076
01:06:23,635 --> 01:06:23,836
meeting in a public accessible

2077
01:06:23,836 --> 01:06:25,836
space?

2078
01:06:25,938 --> 01:06:26,472
>> we have and we actually do

2079
01:06:26,472 --> 01:06:27,806
that.

2080
01:06:27,806 --> 01:06:29,800
I didn't add it to this

2081
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,744
presentation, but I know you all

2082
01:06:31,744 --> 01:06:33,179
are aware we have our landlord

2083
01:06:33,179 --> 01:06:34,179
and tenant rights and

2084
01:06:34,179 --> 01:06:35,581
responsibilities forum that take

2085
01:06:35,581 --> 01:06:37,116
place throughout the district.

2086
01:06:37,116 --> 01:06:37,416
Those have been enormously

2087
01:06:37,416 --> 01:06:38,584
successful.

2088
01:06:38,584 --> 01:06:39,585
And they serve a similar

2089
01:06:39,585 --> 01:06:40,753
function in that we are still

2090
01:06:40,753 --> 01:06:41,888
engaging with the populations

2091
01:06:41,888 --> 01:06:43,189
and presenting programs to them

2092
01:06:43,189 --> 01:06:43,389
and we are hearing feedback from

2093
01:06:43,389 --> 01:06:45,389
them.

2094
01:06:45,724 --> 01:06:47,293
I go it way better attendance at

2095
01:06:47,293 --> 01:06:48,427
those than I do the formal

2096
01:06:48,427 --> 01:06:50,162
committees and groups.

2097
01:06:50,162 --> 01:06:51,464
Part of that is because we are

2098
01:06:51,464 --> 01:06:52,464
going out in the community but

2099
01:06:52,464 --> 01:06:52,665
we tried that with the tenant

2100
01:06:52,665 --> 01:06:54,665
group.

2101
01:06:54,733 --> 01:06:55,801
we held that out in the

2102
01:06:55,801 --> 01:06:56,702
community and nobody showed up

2103
01:06:56,702 --> 01:06:58,671
for that.

2104
01:06:58,671 --> 01:06:59,772
A lot of it is how are you

2105
01:06:59,772 --> 01:07:01,440
engaging with them.

2106
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,642
If we say do you want to be on a

2107
01:07:02,642 --> 01:07:05,420
big formal government committee,

2108
01:07:05,278 --> 01:07:07,146
they MAY not be as interested in

2109
01:07:07,146 --> 01:07:10,820
that but if I say I'm going to

2110
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:11,517
have a forum where you can be

2111
01:07:11,517 --> 01:07:12,385
heard on housing, that seems to

2112
01:07:12,385 --> 01:07:13,920
have more appeal.

2113
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,589
>> I can see that, where folks

2114
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:16,556
are invited to be part of this

2115
01:07:16,556 --> 01:07:17,690
more official group and they're

2116
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:19,592
not comfortable with speaking

2117
01:07:19,592 --> 01:07:19,892
about their personal

2118
01:07:19,892 --> 01:07:21,660
situation...

2119
01:07:21,660 --> 01:07:23,763
>> I think that's a lot of it.

2120
01:07:23,763 --> 01:07:25,398
Because a lot of people, their

2121
01:07:25,398 --> 01:07:26,833
experience as a tenant and

2122
01:07:26,833 --> 01:07:28,340
things they would want to talk

2123
01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:28,901
about in a group setting are

2124
01:07:28,901 --> 01:07:30,901
very personal things.

2125
01:07:31,104 --> 01:07:32,105
It has to do with your finances,

2126
01:07:32,105 --> 01:07:33,740
medical history sometimes,

2127
01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:37,940
things that you MAY not want to

2128
01:07:38,813 --> 01:07:40,280
openly share about.

2129
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,715
>> I'm interested in seeing what

2130
01:07:41,715 --> 01:07:43,149
my colleagues say.

2131
01:07:43,149 --> 01:07:44,485
I appreciate you taking the

2132
01:07:44,485 --> 01:07:45,586
initiative and convening the

2133
01:07:45,586 --> 01:07:46,819
groups and trying to get

2134
01:07:46,819 --> 01:07:48,855
feedback and elevating the

2135
01:07:48,855 --> 01:07:50,323
voices as we deal with housing.

2136
01:07:50,323 --> 01:07:50,991
Thank you, chair.

2137
01:07:50,991 --> 01:07:51,959
>> Chair: council member curtis.

2138
01:07:51,959 --> 01:07:53,494
>> thank you, chair.

2139
01:07:53,494 --> 01:07:55,894
And thank you, commissioner

2140
01:07:56,130 --> 01:07:57,464
lanter for all of your work on

2141
01:07:57,464 --> 01:07:57,764
this, council member lynch as

2142
01:07:57,764 --> 01:07:59,764
well.

2143
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,536
I have been very impressed by

2144
01:08:02,536 --> 01:08:04,380
the flexibility y'all have shown

2145
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:05,390
in just making this work one way

2146
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:07,390
or another.

2147
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:09,760
I did have a quick question for

2148
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,846
you, commissioner, if you might

2149
01:08:11,846 --> 01:08:12,714
be willing to expand on

2150
01:08:12,714 --> 01:08:14,916
something which was you talked

2151
01:08:14,916 --> 01:08:17,916
about the importance of having

2152
01:08:19,286 --> 01:08:20,821
not just the property owners but

2153
01:08:20,821 --> 01:08:21,689
property managers showing up to

2154
01:08:21,689 --> 01:08:23,124
the landlord group.

2155
01:08:23,124 --> 01:08:24,959
Could you speak to the

2156
01:08:24,959 --> 01:08:26,527
significance of that and to the

2157
01:08:26,527 --> 01:08:27,161
changes that, you know, come as

2158
01:08:27,161 --> 01:08:28,696
a result of that?

2159
01:08:28,696 --> 01:08:30,132
>> that's actually a really good

2160
01:08:30,132 --> 01:08:31,900
point because those are two very

2161
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:33,735
different constituencies, you

2162
01:08:33,735 --> 01:08:35,503
know, and in some cases very

2163
01:08:35,503 --> 01:08:37,338
small property the owner MAY be

2164
01:08:37,338 --> 01:08:39,541
the property manager but in most

2165
01:08:39,541 --> 01:08:40,775
cases the average citizen deal

2166
01:08:40,775 --> 01:08:41,977
when they're renting, are

2167
01:08:41,977 --> 01:08:42,210
dealing with the property

2168
01:08:42,210 --> 01:08:43,278
manager.

2169
01:08:43,278 --> 01:08:43,712
They MAY never know who the

2170
01:08:43,712 --> 01:08:45,712
owner is.

2171
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:47,783
So what we really like to do is

2172
01:08:47,783 --> 01:08:50,385
engage with whoever the person

2173
01:08:50,385 --> 01:08:51,487
the tenant is interacting with.

2174
01:08:51,487 --> 01:08:51,854
Is it the owner?

2175
01:08:51,854 --> 01:08:53,854
Great.

2176
01:08:53,955 --> 01:08:55,257
If not the property manager.

2177
01:08:55,257 --> 01:08:56,250
Property management is a whole

2178
01:08:56,250 --> 01:08:58,250
different ball game.

2179
01:08:58,193 --> 01:08:58,594
A lot of changes in that

2180
01:08:58,594 --> 01:09:00,950
industry.

2181
01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:00,863
It's very difficult, short

2182
01:09:00,863 --> 01:09:02,398
staffed, under funded.

2183
01:09:02,398 --> 01:09:04,166
A lot of times just getting

2184
01:09:04,166 --> 01:09:04,333
their time can be difficult,

2185
01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:06,269
too.

2186
01:09:06,269 --> 01:09:08,504
But we've had a really good

2187
01:09:08,504 --> 01:09:09,338
experience working with the

2188
01:09:09,338 --> 01:09:09,639
central kentucky apartment

2189
01:09:09,639 --> 01:09:10,539
association.

2190
01:09:10,539 --> 01:09:11,774
They have been very

2191
01:09:11,774 --> 01:09:13,309
collaborative and they represent

2192
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:15,144
a lot of those large property

2193
01:09:15,144 --> 01:09:17,646
managers and they feed into that

2194
01:09:17,646 --> 01:09:18,214
group so we are getting a lot of

2195
01:09:18,214 --> 01:09:20,614
good feedback from them.

2196
01:09:20,884 --> 01:09:22,419
>> I'm glad to hear that,

2197
01:09:22,419 --> 01:09:24,187
speaking as a renter myself, I

2198
01:09:24,187 --> 01:09:25,422
can tell you I have interacted

2199
01:09:25,422 --> 01:09:27,822
with my property managers

2200
01:09:28,158 --> 01:09:29,292
several times and I have never

2201
01:09:29,292 --> 01:09:32,292
once actually met a landlord

2202
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:35,565
that I have had in person.

2203
01:09:35,565 --> 01:09:36,700
I think that is often left out

2204
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:38,335
of the discussion and I

2205
01:09:38,335 --> 01:09:38,568
appreciate you all highlighting

2206
01:09:38,568 --> 01:09:40,568
that.

2207
01:09:40,971 --> 01:09:43,730
Building off what council member

2208
01:09:43,730 --> 01:09:45,609
brown had to say, I do just want

2209
01:09:45,609 --> 01:09:47,777
to add that when we are having

2210
01:09:47,777 --> 01:09:49,777
these conversations about

2211
01:09:51,214 --> 01:09:54,814
tenants showing up and what not,

2212
01:09:56,553 --> 01:09:59,523
there is a fundamental inkwik

2213
01:09:59,523 --> 01:10:02,523
between -- inequity when between

2214
01:10:03,827 --> 01:10:04,729
tenants and landlords when it

2215
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:06,164
comes between the economy of

2216
01:10:06,164 --> 01:10:08,320
money and time and energy so I

2217
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,467
don't want anybody in the public

2218
01:10:10,467 --> 01:10:12,537
or on this legislative body to

2219
01:10:12,537 --> 01:10:14,937
mistake the difficulties with

2220
01:10:16,474 --> 01:10:19,377
attendance for that group as a

2221
01:10:19,377 --> 01:10:20,311
lack of need or lack of interest

2222
01:10:20,311 --> 01:10:21,613
from tenants in the community

2223
01:10:21,613 --> 01:10:23,140
because I can tell you for a

2224
01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:25,784
fact that is not the case and

2225
01:10:25,784 --> 01:10:27,852
I'm sure commissioner lanter and

2226
01:10:27,852 --> 01:10:29,588
council member lynch, not to put

2227
01:10:29,588 --> 01:10:31,289
words in your mouths, I'm sure

2228
01:10:31,289 --> 01:10:33,258
would you say the same things.

2229
01:10:33,258 --> 01:10:34,192
So I want to make sure that we

2230
01:10:34,192 --> 01:10:34,826
are considering that.

2231
01:10:34,826 --> 01:10:36,361
>> absolutely.

2232
01:10:36,361 --> 01:10:38,897
I think it was clear but I want

2233
01:10:38,897 --> 01:10:40,866
to make sure and reiterate the

2234
01:10:40,866 --> 01:10:42,701
two groups are very separate and

2235
01:10:42,701 --> 01:10:42,934
distinct for that railroad

2236
01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:44,670
reason.

2237
01:10:44,670 --> 01:10:46,237
We did not want to put the two

2238
01:10:46,237 --> 01:10:47,372
in the room together and say

2239
01:10:47,372 --> 01:10:48,774
okay y'all, fight it out.

2240
01:10:48,774 --> 01:10:50,175
That wouldn't work well.

2241
01:10:50,175 --> 01:10:50,676
We keep them very separate.

2242
01:10:50,676 --> 01:10:52,676
>> thank you.

2243
01:10:52,744 --> 01:10:53,845
I appreciate your dedication to

2244
01:10:53,845 --> 01:10:54,880
this work, commissioner because

2245
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:55,881
we are better for it.

2246
01:10:55,881 --> 01:10:57,817
Thank you, chair.

2247
01:10:57,817 --> 01:10:59,817
That's all.

2248
01:10:59,885 --> 01:11:01,885
>> Chair: council member

2249
01:11:02,355 --> 01:11:03,722
reynolds.

2250
01:11:03,722 --> 01:11:04,590
>> thank you, chair and thank

2251
01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:05,358
you, commissioner.

2252
01:11:05,358 --> 01:11:06,726
I really appreciate your

2253
01:11:06,726 --> 01:11:08,695
willingness to try to make this

2254
01:11:08,695 --> 01:11:10,329
work in one way or another, and

2255
01:11:10,329 --> 01:11:12,264
to include the voices of both

2256
01:11:12,264 --> 01:11:14,634
the landlords and the tenants.

2257
01:11:14,634 --> 01:11:16,636
I will echo -- I feel like over

2258
01:11:16,636 --> 01:11:18,505
my time on council, one of my

2259
01:11:18,505 --> 01:11:20,139
greatest challenges has been

2260
01:11:20,139 --> 01:11:22,108
communicating with tenants.

2261
01:11:22,108 --> 01:11:23,743
It's really hard because

2262
01:11:23,743 --> 01:11:25,945
sometimes you don't have access

2263
01:11:25,945 --> 01:11:29,449
to leaving flyers at their door,

2264
01:11:29,449 --> 01:11:30,350
you don't have access to

2265
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:32,419
gathering people from an

2266
01:11:32,419 --> 01:11:33,553
apartment complex.

2267
01:11:33,553 --> 01:11:35,522
It's just really challenging on

2268
01:11:35,522 --> 01:11:37,724
a lot of levels.

2269
01:11:37,724 --> 01:11:41,940
I see a little bit of your goals

2270
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:43,697
in here with the groups, but do

2271
01:11:43,697 --> 01:11:45,933
you have like a specific goal

2272
01:11:45,933 --> 01:11:47,568
and mission that maybe or maybe

2273
01:11:47,568 --> 01:11:49,803
is there a way to incorporate

2274
01:11:49,803 --> 01:11:51,672
that a little bit more firmly

2275
01:11:51,672 --> 01:11:53,607
that would make people feel like

2276
01:11:53,607 --> 01:11:55,142
they really have a buy-in both

2277
01:11:55,142 --> 01:11:56,944
on the tenant and landlord side?

2278
01:11:56,944 --> 01:11:57,811
>> yeah, I think it's good you

2279
01:11:57,811 --> 01:11:59,547
brought that up.

2280
01:11:59,547 --> 01:12:01,315
One of the things that tiffany

2281
01:12:01,315 --> 01:12:04,385
and I talked about as we

2282
01:12:04,385 --> 01:12:05,687
reconstitute it and bring life

2283
01:12:05,687 --> 01:12:06,860
back into the groups was

2284
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:08,860
specifically that.

2285
01:12:08,656 --> 01:12:10,124
And I think groups work best

2286
01:12:10,124 --> 01:12:12,192
when that comes from them.

2287
01:12:12,192 --> 01:12:14,395
So our first agenda item with

2288
01:12:14,395 --> 01:12:16,364
each one in the landlord one we

2289
01:12:16,364 --> 01:12:17,465
haven't done this with yet is

2290
01:12:17,465 --> 01:12:19,333
what do you want to know and

2291
01:12:19,333 --> 01:12:21,803
what do you want to talk about?

2292
01:12:21,803 --> 01:12:24,720
What do we want to discuss?

2293
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,374
I will put things on there that

2294
01:12:26,374 --> 01:12:27,876
I know we need to hear from and

2295
01:12:27,876 --> 01:12:29,110
feedback, but we try to make

2296
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:30,479
sure that it is driven by what

2297
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,347
are the issues that the tenants

2298
01:12:32,347 --> 01:12:34,347
themselves are facing.

2299
01:12:34,849 --> 01:12:38,449
Often what that ends up look

2300
01:12:38,454 --> 01:12:42,540
looking like in the meeting is

2301
01:12:42,891 --> 01:12:44,760
very specific complaints.

2302
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,161
Tenants talking about, I had

2303
01:12:46,161 --> 01:12:47,763
this issue or I had this issue

2304
01:12:47,763 --> 01:12:49,298
because it's very difficult for

2305
01:12:49,298 --> 01:12:51,233
an individual to sit back and

2306
01:12:51,233 --> 01:12:53,602
have a policy conversation when

2307
01:12:53,602 --> 01:12:55,370
their water heater doesn't work

2308
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:57,506
or their A.C. Doesn't work.

2309
01:12:57,506 --> 01:12:59,408
And so what I'm trying to do is

2310
01:12:59,408 --> 01:13:01,176
work through the context to say,

2311
01:13:01,176 --> 01:13:03,450
okay, you are telling me your

2312
01:13:03,450 --> 01:13:04,480
water heater doesn't work and

2313
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:04,747
that there is mold in your

2314
01:13:04,747 --> 01:13:06,747
apartment.

2315
01:13:06,749 --> 01:13:08,840
I think what we are hearing for

2316
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,652
the purpose of this meeting is

2317
01:13:09,652 --> 01:13:11,286
the property manager is not

2318
01:13:11,286 --> 01:13:12,922
responsive.

2319
01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:14,757
So let's talk about how do we

2320
01:13:14,757 --> 01:13:16,225
work on responsiveness of

2321
01:13:16,225 --> 01:13:17,961
property managers opposed to how

2322
01:13:17,961 --> 01:13:19,362
do I fix your water heater

2323
01:13:19,362 --> 01:13:20,796
because that's not something we

2324
01:13:20,796 --> 01:13:21,898
can personally do although we do

2325
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:24,670
try to help when we can.

2326
01:13:24,670 --> 01:13:24,300
>> I think that makes a lot of

2327
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:26,300
sense.

2328
01:13:26,603 --> 01:13:29,572
I also think that when we are

2329
01:13:29,572 --> 01:13:32,108
asking people to have a buy-in,

2330
01:13:32,108 --> 01:13:33,943
whether it's a time, an hour,

2331
01:13:33,943 --> 01:13:37,680
four times, you know, a year or

2332
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,682
whatever that is, if they don't

2333
01:13:38,682 --> 01:13:41,682
have a clear understanding from

2334
01:13:41,851 --> 01:13:43,988
the very beginning of what their

2335
01:13:43,988 --> 01:13:47,224
time and energy is going to help

2336
01:13:47,224 --> 01:13:48,325
with or change or I think it

2337
01:13:48,325 --> 01:13:50,728
could include time where you

2338
01:13:50,728 --> 01:13:52,229
talk were what are their needs,

2339
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:55,229
but something that catches their

2340
01:13:55,599 --> 01:13:57,367
attention to even be a part of

2341
01:13:57,367 --> 01:13:58,535
it, then I often see it doesn't

2342
01:13:58,535 --> 01:13:59,871
work because often times

2343
01:13:59,871 --> 01:14:01,871
neighborhood associations, you

2344
01:14:01,906 --> 01:14:02,573
can say come to this

2345
01:14:02,573 --> 01:14:04,573
neighborhood association meeting

2346
01:14:04,642 --> 01:14:06,770
and we will have pizza.

2347
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:07,770
We will have child care,

2348
01:14:07,770 --> 01:14:07,378
whatever, but why are they

2349
01:14:07,378 --> 01:14:09,378
coming?

2350
01:14:09,614 --> 01:14:11,115
They don't know why, going to

2351
01:14:11,115 --> 01:14:13,115
the neighborhood association

2352
01:14:14,752 --> 01:14:16,287
meeting, why taking their time

2353
01:14:16,287 --> 01:14:18,156
what that is going to do to make

2354
01:14:18,156 --> 01:14:19,657
a difference in their iferred

2355
01:14:19,657 --> 01:14:21,192
lives and these people are busy.

2356
01:14:21,192 --> 01:14:23,270
These people are working a lot%

2357
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:23,761
of hours and they need to know

2358
01:14:23,761 --> 01:14:25,761
their why.

2359
01:14:25,963 --> 01:14:27,232
Why should I be there

2360
01:14:27,232 --> 01:14:29,632
specifically, in addition to

2361
01:14:30,635 --> 01:14:32,504
having a chance to talk about

2362
01:14:32,504 --> 01:14:32,737
whatever you feel like is a

2363
01:14:32,737 --> 01:14:34,737
concern.

2364
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:37,976
So that's a suggestion that I

2365
01:14:37,976 --> 01:14:41,480
have because I think people want

2366
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:43,248
to do good things, but we are

2367
01:14:43,248 --> 01:14:45,884
all so busy and tired, that

2368
01:14:45,884 --> 01:14:47,219
unless there is I specific

2369
01:14:47,219 --> 01:14:49,287
reason, we might not be willing

2370
01:14:49,287 --> 01:14:50,155
to buy into whatever that is.

2371
01:14:50,155 --> 01:14:50,388
>> I think you are absolutely

2372
01:14:50,388 --> 01:14:51,457
right.

2373
01:14:51,457 --> 01:14:52,570
I think I understand what you

2374
01:14:52,570 --> 01:14:54,570
are saying.

2375
01:14:54,559 --> 01:14:57,195
There is a big difference of

2376
01:14:57,195 --> 01:14:57,996
asking someone to come to a

2377
01:14:57,996 --> 01:14:59,298
general government business

2378
01:14:59,298 --> 01:15:01,298
meeting about housing.

2379
01:15:01,367 --> 01:15:02,601
If you reframe that ask as would

2380
01:15:02,601 --> 01:15:03,836
you like to tell me about the

2381
01:15:03,836 --> 01:15:06,238
problems you are having as a

2382
01:15:06,238 --> 01:15:07,573
renter and with your landlord,

2383
01:15:07,573 --> 01:15:08,841
you are giving them a chance to

2384
01:15:08,841 --> 01:15:10,750
discus something specific they

2385
01:15:10,750 --> 01:15:11,911
can connect with.

2386
01:15:11,911 --> 01:15:14,580
But I think you are -- what you

2387
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:14,914
are saying there has to be an

2388
01:15:14,914 --> 01:15:15,548
outcome.

2389
01:15:15,548 --> 01:15:17,383
There has to be a goal.

2390
01:15:17,383 --> 01:15:19,510
>> it can't just be a general

2391
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:19,285
come tell us how to make things

2392
01:15:19,285 --> 01:15:20,190
better.

2393
01:15:20,190 --> 01:15:21,921
I think you are right.

2394
01:15:21,921 --> 01:15:22,255
I think that is part of the

2395
01:15:22,255 --> 01:15:23,690
issue.

2396
01:15:23,690 --> 01:15:24,224
Hey, do you want to be on our

2397
01:15:24,224 --> 01:15:25,424
feedback group.

2398
01:15:25,424 --> 01:15:26,893
Without them knowing what the

2399
01:15:26,893 --> 01:15:27,693
group is going to talk about,

2400
01:15:27,693 --> 01:15:28,561
there is less interest.

2401
01:15:28,561 --> 01:15:28,861
>> exactly.

2402
01:15:28,861 --> 01:15:30,197
Thank you.

2403
01:15:30,197 --> 01:15:30,830
Thank you, chair.

2404
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:31,864
>> Chair: vice mayor wu.

2405
01:15:31,864 --> 01:15:33,700
>> thank you, chair.

2406
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:35,502
Thank you, commissioner for all

2407
01:15:35,502 --> 01:15:37,502
of this work.

2408
01:15:37,637 --> 01:15:39,839
In the list of the organizations

2409
01:15:39,839 --> 01:15:41,274
for tenant advisory group, you

2410
01:15:41,274 --> 01:15:43,143
said there are 12 organizations.

2411
01:15:43,143 --> 01:15:45,212
I count nine here.

2412
01:15:45,212 --> 01:15:45,779
Kentucky tenants is a part of

2413
01:15:45,779 --> 01:15:47,313
this advisory group?

2414
01:15:47,313 --> 01:15:49,313
>> they have been.

2415
01:15:49,517 --> 01:15:51,852
They have not participated

2416
01:15:51,852 --> 01:15:52,453
regularly once it got going.

2417
01:15:52,453 --> 01:15:54,540
But they're invited.

2418
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:56,690
>> and thinking about kind of

2419
01:15:56,690 --> 01:15:58,526
your role in sort of

2420
01:15:58,526 --> 01:16:00,661
facilitating both these groups

2421
01:16:00,661 --> 01:16:03,264
who have obviously a lot of

2422
01:16:03,264 --> 01:16:04,264
friction and conflict, kind of

2423
01:16:04,264 --> 01:16:05,900
inherently, have you been able

2424
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:07,802
to or do you feel like it's your

2425
01:16:07,802 --> 01:16:10,205
role at all to not necessarily

2426
01:16:10,205 --> 01:16:11,973
mediate but to convey the

2427
01:16:11,973 --> 01:16:13,808
complaints or challenges or

2428
01:16:13,808 --> 01:16:16,611
issues that one group has sort

2429
01:16:16,611 --> 01:16:18,120
of like citing the other because

2430
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,346
I know landlords will complain

2431
01:16:19,346 --> 01:16:21,883
about their tenants as well for

2432
01:16:21,883 --> 01:16:22,830
all these reasons and vice

2433
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:23,451
versa.

2434
01:16:23,451 --> 01:16:24,319
Have you felt like that's a part

2435
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:26,319
of your role?

2436
01:16:26,388 --> 01:16:26,587
Should it be a part of your

2437
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:27,822
role?

2438
01:16:27,822 --> 01:16:29,570
Are you able to do that?

2439
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:30,224
>> that's a really excellent

2440
01:16:30,224 --> 01:16:32,624
question because we've dabbled

2441
01:16:33,828 --> 01:16:37,428
in that with these two groups

2442
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:39,568
and it doesn't always go well.

2443
01:16:39,568 --> 01:16:40,569
If tenants are giving me a

2444
01:16:40,569 --> 01:16:41,636
consistent theme of something

2445
01:16:41,636 --> 01:16:44,239
they're complaining about and I

2446
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:45,975
go to landlords and I say hey,

2447
01:16:45,975 --> 01:16:47,843
tenants are saying you guys are

2448
01:16:47,843 --> 01:16:49,712
doing this, x, y, z.

2449
01:16:49,712 --> 01:16:50,813
They just immediately go into

2450
01:16:50,813 --> 01:16:52,782
defensive mode of no we are not

2451
01:16:52,782 --> 01:16:54,516
or the tenants are not telling

2452
01:16:54,516 --> 01:16:55,984
you all the facts amend of.

2453
01:16:55,984 --> 01:16:57,286
And the reverse is true as well.

2454
01:16:57,286 --> 01:16:58,920
Like if I go to the tenants and

2455
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,690
say well the landlords are

2456
01:17:00,690 --> 01:17:02,357
saying you guys destroy their

2457
01:17:02,357 --> 01:17:03,459
units or whatever, they give me

2458
01:17:03,459 --> 01:17:05,940
the exact same thing.

2459
01:17:05,940 --> 01:17:07,130
There is such a divide between

2460
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:09,732
the two, just trying, a

2461
01:17:09,732 --> 01:17:12,132
government office trying to

2462
01:17:12,268 --> 01:17:12,801
mediate two esoteric groups is

2463
01:17:12,801 --> 01:17:14,303
really hard.

2464
01:17:14,303 --> 01:17:16,672
I think we have had more success

2465
01:17:16,672 --> 01:17:18,675
in trying to do that in a

2466
01:17:18,675 --> 01:17:19,709
smaller one on one or two on one

2467
01:17:19,709 --> 01:17:21,477
kind of setting.

2468
01:17:21,477 --> 01:17:24,477
We have had conversations emerge

2469
01:17:24,647 --> 01:17:24,880
from the groups that led to

2470
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,820
that.

2471
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:27,451
But probably what I would say is

2472
01:17:27,451 --> 01:17:29,519
one of the things we've learned

2473
01:17:29,519 --> 01:17:30,987
not to do is that because it has

2474
01:17:30,987 --> 01:17:33,560
led to some hurt feelings.

2475
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,524
>> to build on what council

2476
01:17:34,524 --> 01:17:35,726
member reynolds was saying, kind

2477
01:17:35,726 --> 01:17:37,261
of, I feel like you were

2478
01:17:37,261 --> 01:17:41,461
speaking to kind of what is the

2479
01:17:42,265 --> 01:17:44,868
purpose or mission of these

2480
01:17:44,868 --> 01:17:45,736
groups have there been any

2481
01:17:45,736 --> 01:17:47,736
concrete recommendations from

2482
01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:51,638
the groups, towards lfucg or our

2483
01:17:53,744 --> 01:17:56,144
policies, things like that.

2484
01:17:56,146 --> 01:17:57,148
>> a good example would be the

2485
01:17:57,148 --> 01:17:58,448
housing stability program which

2486
01:17:58,448 --> 01:17:58,782
I will be presenting on next

2487
01:17:58,782 --> 01:18:00,650
week.

2488
01:18:00,650 --> 01:18:03,870
The lalled program that -- legal

2489
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:03,888
aid program that provides access

2490
01:18:03,888 --> 01:18:05,888
to council.

2491
01:18:06,356 --> 01:18:07,791
That program was designed with

2492
01:18:07,791 --> 01:18:09,791
these two groups.

2493
01:18:10,628 --> 01:18:13,628
As this program was originally

2494
01:18:13,798 --> 01:18:15,933
built, both groups gave feedback

2495
01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:16,133
on the program design as it was

2496
01:18:16,133 --> 01:18:17,869
built.

2497
01:18:17,869 --> 01:18:19,604
Both groups have things in there

2498
01:18:19,604 --> 01:18:20,705
that they asked for, both groups

2499
01:18:20,705 --> 01:18:21,906
have things in there that they

2500
01:18:21,906 --> 01:18:23,741
did not ask for.

2501
01:18:23,741 --> 01:18:26,310
that has been an enormously

2502
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:27,512
successful program.

2503
01:18:27,512 --> 01:18:29,915
One could argue one of the

2504
01:18:29,915 --> 01:18:31,582
reasons it was successful is it

2505
01:18:31,582 --> 01:18:32,217
was informed by the two groups

2506
01:18:32,217 --> 01:18:34,617
it impacts the most.

2507
01:18:35,854 --> 01:18:37,156
>> I appreciate that.

2508
01:18:37,156 --> 01:18:38,290
Coming off the heels of the

2509
01:18:38,290 --> 01:18:39,924
assembly, the work they, did

2510
01:18:39,924 --> 01:18:41,560
bringing the recommendation to

2511
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:42,560
us, woo we decide what to do

2512
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,229
with it.

2513
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:46,331
I was thinking about that, too.

2514
01:18:46,331 --> 01:18:47,866
Would there be a process formal

2515
01:18:47,866 --> 01:18:50,680
or informal if members of a

2516
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:51,269
group or majority of the

2517
01:18:51,269 --> 01:18:53,238
landlords or tenants say you

2518
01:18:53,238 --> 01:18:54,440
know what needs to change is

2519
01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:55,307
blank, something we would

2520
01:18:55,307 --> 01:18:57,707
effectuate, I would be

2521
01:18:57,743 --> 01:18:58,510
interested in to see is there a

2522
01:18:58,510 --> 01:19:00,178
process for that?

2523
01:19:00,178 --> 01:19:01,713
Is that just you bringing a

2524
01:19:01,713 --> 01:19:02,814
recommendation to council saying

2525
01:19:02,814 --> 01:19:03,582
hey, we've heard a lot about

2526
01:19:03,582 --> 01:19:05,184
this issuing tisch.

2527
01:19:05,184 --> 01:19:07,419
I think there are some tweaks we

2528
01:19:07,419 --> 01:19:08,354
can make to, I don't know, code

2529
01:19:08,354 --> 01:19:10,354
enforcement regulations whatever

2530
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:14,461
it is: I would be interested in

2531
01:19:14,461 --> 01:19:16,529
see that because would I hate

2532
01:19:16,529 --> 01:19:17,997
for your time being used as just

2533
01:19:17,997 --> 01:19:20,834
sort of the person receiving

2534
01:19:20,834 --> 01:19:21,734
complaints from one group or the

2535
01:19:21,734 --> 01:19:23,135
other.

2536
01:19:23,135 --> 01:19:24,804
I definitely take your point

2537
01:19:24,804 --> 01:19:27,804
`about these complaints do lead

2538
01:19:28,441 --> 01:19:29,109
to you thinking about either

2539
01:19:29,109 --> 01:19:30,309
widespread issues or common

2540
01:19:30,309 --> 01:19:32,211
issues with either group.

2541
01:19:32,211 --> 01:19:35,715
I just want to make sure that

2542
01:19:35,715 --> 01:19:36,883
your time is used well and the

2543
01:19:36,883 --> 01:19:40,220
folks in these groups are not

2544
01:19:40,220 --> 01:19:42,556
just using it as a venting

2545
01:19:42,556 --> 01:19:42,856
session that MAY or MAY not be

2546
01:19:42,856 --> 01:19:44,758
productive.

2547
01:19:44,758 --> 01:19:45,726
>> that's a serious risk.

2548
01:19:45,726 --> 01:19:47,260
It happens.

2549
01:19:47,260 --> 01:19:48,394
We have had some of the members

2550
01:19:48,394 --> 01:19:50,263
complain about the other members

2551
01:19:50,263 --> 01:19:51,565
saying they would just come in

2552
01:19:51,565 --> 01:19:52,466
to vent ayou will their

2553
01:19:52,466 --> 01:19:53,767
grievances with the government.

2554
01:19:53,767 --> 01:19:55,235
That's true and that's part of

2555
01:19:55,235 --> 01:19:56,503
the reason we are doing some of

2556
01:19:56,503 --> 01:19:59,503
the gasps with the membership,

2557
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,420
to be more productive.

2558
01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:02,843
But there are two ways that

2559
01:20:02,843 --> 01:20:04,678
things come out of this.

2560
01:20:04,678 --> 01:20:06,130
Most of it is incidental.

2561
01:20:06,130 --> 01:20:06,880
It's quick things that we can

2562
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,215
fix.

2563
01:20:08,215 --> 01:20:11,215
They're saying oh, the process

2564
01:20:14,355 --> 01:20:16,323
for getting a new hrbie is this.

2565
01:20:16,323 --> 01:20:18,359
Before the end of the day, I

2566
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:20,895
have called manage many and we

2567
01:20:20,895 --> 01:20:21,295
fixed it because it was a minor

2568
01:20:21,295 --> 01:20:23,295
miscommunication.

2569
01:20:23,865 --> 01:20:24,965
A lot of that emerges from both

2570
01:20:24,965 --> 01:20:26,267
groups that we can make tweaks

2571
01:20:26,267 --> 01:20:28,336
here or there and make their

2572
01:20:28,336 --> 01:20:28,603
lives easier and respond to

2573
01:20:28,603 --> 01:20:29,904
incidents.

2574
01:20:29,904 --> 01:20:31,720
And then what I try to do over

2575
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,640
the course of the conversations,

2576
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,775
that's where I look for the

2577
01:20:33,775 --> 01:20:35,775
larger policy recommendations.

2578
01:20:36,611 --> 01:20:39,347
I think the process, to your

2579
01:20:39,347 --> 01:20:40,849
speaking to and we have to watch

2580
01:20:40,849 --> 01:20:41,490
for, those two groups rarely

2581
01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:43,490
agree.

2582
01:20:43,585 --> 01:20:44,552
If you have an exit policy

2583
01:20:44,552 --> 01:20:46,540
strategy, have you to make sure

2584
01:20:46,540 --> 01:20:48,523
it accounts for the fact that

2585
01:20:48,523 --> 01:20:51,260
the two of them are saying we've

2586
01:20:51,260 --> 01:20:51,994
reviewed this and we have two

2587
01:20:51,994 --> 01:20:52,160
very different opinions about

2588
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,495
it.

2589
01:20:53,495 --> 01:20:55,495
>> I appreciate it.

2590
01:20:55,664 --> 01:20:56,832
It's very challenging work but I

2591
01:20:56,832 --> 01:20:58,233
appreciate you doing it.

2592
01:20:58,233 --> 01:20:59,569
>> council member sevigny.

2593
01:20:59,569 --> 01:21:02,569
>> thank you, chair and thanks

2594
01:21:03,472 --> 01:21:06,472
so much for the presentation.

2595
01:21:06,775 --> 01:21:09,511
I've got a few ideas.

2596
01:21:09,511 --> 01:21:10,179
And I appreciate what you are

2597
01:21:10,179 --> 01:21:12,179
doing.

2598
01:21:15,351 --> 01:21:16,185
One thought is have you done

2599
01:21:16,185 --> 01:21:17,820
anything virtually?

2600
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:18,388
Have you done virtual a lot, too

2601
01:21:18,388 --> 01:21:20,388
or not?

2602
01:21:21,524 --> 01:21:22,425
>> not with these groups.

2603
01:21:22,425 --> 01:21:22,825
That's something we have

2604
01:21:22,825 --> 01:21:24,825
considered.

2605
01:21:25,995 --> 01:21:27,995
>> that's one thing.

2606
01:21:30,499 --> 01:21:32,735
And then have you guys thought,

2607
01:21:32,735 --> 01:21:34,737
landlord registration concept is

2608
01:21:34,737 --> 01:21:37,908
kind of -- it doesn't get a lot

2609
01:21:37,908 --> 01:21:39,443
of excitement in general have

2610
01:21:39,443 --> 01:21:42,443
you thought of a tenant

2611
01:21:45,181 --> 01:21:46,716
registration system that would

2612
01:21:46,716 --> 01:21:48,385
strictly be optional that you

2613
01:21:48,385 --> 01:21:50,220
could push and we could push to

2614
01:21:50,220 --> 01:21:52,923
gain tenant information so that

2615
01:21:52,923 --> 01:21:53,957
you have a tenant pool but they

2616
01:21:53,957 --> 01:21:54,591
tell you who the property

2617
01:21:54,591 --> 01:21:55,993
manager is.

2618
01:21:55,993 --> 01:21:59,593
Like where they live, who the

2619
01:21:59,830 --> 01:22:00,631
property manager is and how to

2620
01:22:00,631 --> 01:22:03,310
contact that property manager

2621
01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:06,303
and if they know the owner.

2622
01:22:06,303 --> 01:22:07,838
Or if we can find the owner from

2623
01:22:07,838 --> 01:22:08,138
the address through a cross

2624
01:22:08,138 --> 01:22:10,138
references.

2625
01:22:10,507 --> 01:22:13,745
I'm just kind of wondering if we

2626
01:22:13,745 --> 01:22:17,247
are -- if we enter it from that

2627
01:22:17,247 --> 01:22:18,682
level, like say you had a pool

2628
01:22:18,682 --> 01:22:19,116
of -- say a thousand tenants

2629
01:22:19,116 --> 01:22:21,116
signed up.

2630
01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:24,188
You would at least have a pool

2631
01:22:24,188 --> 01:22:27,788
of people that you might say

2632
01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:32,300
hey, I'm curious on the landlord

2633
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:33,565
content: you might have a

2634
01:22:33,565 --> 01:22:34,666
survey for them.

2635
01:22:34,666 --> 01:22:37,350
There might be something to fill

2636
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:40,635
out the survey you entered into

2637
01:22:45,877 --> 01:22:47,179
a 50-dollar gift card trying to

2638
01:22:47,179 --> 01:22:49,915
think of things to drive it from

2639
01:22:49,915 --> 01:22:50,616
the other direction, to get the

2640
01:22:50,616 --> 01:22:52,918
tenants to opt in.

2641
01:22:52,918 --> 01:22:54,219
>> a quick response process.

2642
01:22:54,219 --> 01:22:56,622
And then you have a way to kind

2643
01:22:56,622 --> 01:22:59,291
of at least pump hey, I would

2644
01:22:59,291 --> 01:23:00,925
like to know if tenants are

2645
01:23:00,925 --> 01:23:05,125
feeling x and you send it out

2646
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:10,666
and see what response you get

2647
01:23:11,470 --> 01:23:13,470
seems super simple.

2648
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:16,643
I think crowd sourcing any type

2649
01:23:16,643 --> 01:23:17,410
of information we all

2650
01:23:17,410 --> 01:23:18,811
unfortunately we have next door

2651
01:23:18,811 --> 01:23:22,140
and we can look at that.

2652
01:23:22,140 --> 01:23:24,500
So it's just another crowd

2653
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:26,952
sourcing concept and you might

2654
01:23:26,952 --> 01:23:28,722
do it as a bulletin board.

2655
01:23:28,722 --> 01:23:29,689
>> just want to make sure we

2656
01:23:29,689 --> 01:23:31,924
have all the technological

2657
01:23:31,924 --> 01:23:32,759
pieces in place to make everyone

2658
01:23:32,759 --> 01:23:35,759
comfortable as far as personal

2659
01:23:36,620 --> 01:23:39,662
identity and that kind of stuff

2660
01:23:42,402 --> 01:23:44,400
and they can use they don't have

2661
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:44,871
on give a last name if they

2662
01:23:44,871 --> 01:23:45,872
don't want to.

2663
01:23:45,872 --> 01:23:48,410
So just a thought.

2664
01:23:48,410 --> 01:23:49,175
I just think it would help you

2665
01:23:49,175 --> 01:23:51,175
get some tenants.

2666
01:23:51,744 --> 01:23:53,279
And you might be able to get

2667
01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:55,279
some information.

2668
01:23:55,582 --> 01:23:56,783
Thanks.

2669
01:23:56,783 --> 01:23:57,450
Appreciate it.

2670
01:23:57,450 --> 01:23:59,252
>> Chair: council member that

2671
01:23:59,252 --> 01:24:00,921
sounds similar to what we do

2672
01:24:00,921 --> 01:24:02,220
with engage lexington, right.

2673
01:24:02,220 --> 01:24:02,789
We can most feedback

2674
01:24:02,789 --> 01:24:04,789
opportunities, people register

2675
01:24:05,259 --> 01:24:05,559
and give us some of their

2676
01:24:05,559 --> 01:24:07,559
information.

2677
01:24:09,363 --> 01:24:11,331
And then they can respond to

2678
01:24:11,331 --> 01:24:13,331
different particular inquiries

2679
01:24:14,935 --> 01:24:16,737
for feedback.

2680
01:24:16,737 --> 01:24:19,273
I think when you say registry,

2681
01:24:19,273 --> 01:24:21,108
sometimes it feels bigger than

2682
01:24:21,108 --> 01:24:22,877
that because when we talk about

2683
01:24:22,877 --> 01:24:25,277
short-term rental registry or

2684
01:24:26,314 --> 01:24:27,749
any kind of like long-term

2685
01:24:27,749 --> 01:24:28,616
rental registry it's a much

2686
01:24:28,616 --> 01:24:29,751
bigger program but I can see

2687
01:24:29,751 --> 01:24:32,220
what you are saying there.

2688
01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:34,722
>> to give you an etch how the

2689
01:24:34,722 --> 01:24:37,722
two groups differ, in very

2690
01:24:37,892 --> 01:24:40,292
distinct incidents, the tent

2691
01:24:40,996 --> 01:24:42,430
groups -- the tenant group has

2692
01:24:42,430 --> 01:24:43,398
strongly asked for a rental

2693
01:24:43,398 --> 01:24:46,340
registry, which there are legal

2694
01:24:46,340 --> 01:24:47,235
questions around and the

2695
01:24:47,235 --> 01:24:48,603
landlord has simultaneously

2696
01:24:48,603 --> 01:24:52,600
insisted that we never do a

2697
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:53,875
rental registry.

2698
01:24:53,875 --> 01:24:56,245
I have two groups that say don't

2699
01:24:56,245 --> 01:24:57,412
do what the other one says.

2700
01:24:57,412 --> 01:24:58,413
>> thank you, commissioner for

2701
01:24:58,413 --> 01:25:00,482
the presentation but I'm going

2702
01:25:00,482 --> 01:25:02,180
to turn it over to council

2703
01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:03,185
member lynch who had some

2704
01:25:03,185 --> 01:25:06,185
remarks to wrap us up.

2705
01:25:06,354 --> 01:25:08,457
>> thank you, chair and

2706
01:25:08,457 --> 01:25:09,858
commissioner lanter, medicines

2707
01:25:09,858 --> 01:25:12,427
masden for taking this on and

2708
01:25:12,427 --> 01:25:12,662
working with both advisory

2709
01:25:12,662 --> 01:25:14,662
groups.

2710
01:25:19,769 --> 01:25:21,170
Thank you for staying the course

2711
01:25:21,170 --> 01:25:24,770
both groups voices need to be

2712
01:25:26,542 --> 01:25:27,810
heard thank you for the

2713
01:25:27,810 --> 01:25:29,946
facilitation and I will keep

2714
01:25:29,946 --> 01:25:31,547
this item in committee for an

2715
01:25:31,547 --> 01:25:32,181
annual update.

2716
01:25:32,181 --> 01:25:34,581
>> Chair: colleagues, the last

2717
01:25:34,784 --> 01:25:36,552
thing on our jabbed is items

2718
01:25:36,552 --> 01:25:38,552
referred to committee.

2719
01:25:39,289 --> 01:25:41,690
Does anybody have any domestics

2720
01:25:41,690 --> 01:25:45,890
they would like to make about an

2721
01:25:49,499 --> 01:25:50,701
item or remove an item council

2722
01:25:50,701 --> 01:25:50,900
member reynolds you are up

2723
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:52,469
first.

2724
01:25:52,469 --> 01:25:55,469
>> would I like to remove

2725
01:25:56,606 --> 01:25:58,108
planning and development study

2726
01:25:58,108 --> 01:25:58,609
recommendation eight and

2727
01:25:58,609 --> 01:26:00,609
recommendation 10.

2728
01:26:00,711 --> 01:26:02,679
That looks like it is item 3-z

2729
01:26:02,679 --> 01:26:03,147
and 4 on the items referred list

2730
01:26:03,147 --> 01:26:05,480
so moved.

2731
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:06,249
>> second.

2732
01:26:06,249 --> 01:26:08,649
>> Chair: motion and second.

2733
01:26:10,888 --> 01:26:14,325
Any discussion on the motion all

2734
01:26:14,325 --> 01:26:16,193
those in favor say aye.

2735
01:26:16,193 --> 01:26:18,193
Any opposed?

2736
01:26:20,597 --> 01:26:22,597
Motion carries.

2737
01:26:22,633 --> 01:26:23,233
>> is that all for yours,

2738
01:26:23,233 --> 01:26:24,569
council member reynolds.

2739
01:26:24,569 --> 01:26:25,236
>> yes.

2740
01:26:25,236 --> 01:26:26,104
>> Chair: council member brown.

2741
01:26:26,104 --> 01:26:27,905
>> thank you, chair.

2742
01:26:27,905 --> 01:26:29,140
Since we just discussed the

2743
01:26:29,140 --> 01:26:30,841
efficiencies in our development

2744
01:26:30,841 --> 01:26:32,743
process and compliance of house

2745
01:26:32,743 --> 01:26:35,143
bill 443, I'm comfortable with

2746
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,315
removing that item if we need to

2747
01:26:37,315 --> 01:26:41,515
get some updates, I think we can

2748
01:26:43,921 --> 01:26:45,223
put this item back in committee.

2749
01:26:45,223 --> 01:26:48,223
A motion and a second.

2750
01:26:49,361 --> 01:26:50,280
Any discussion on the motion?

2751
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,462
okay, all those in favor say

2752
01:26:51,462 --> 01:26:53,462
aye.

2753
01:26:53,531 --> 01:26:54,766
>> aye.

2754
01:26:54,766 --> 01:26:56,602
>> Chair: any opposed?

2755
01:26:56,602 --> 01:26:58,570
That passes as well.

2756
01:26:58,570 --> 01:26:58,804
I don't see anyone else signed

2757
01:26:58,804 --> 01:27:00,804
in.

2758
01:27:03,441 --> 01:27:06,178
I'm going to say my window for

2759
01:27:06,178 --> 01:27:07,179
item discussion is closing: it

2760
01:27:07,179 --> 01:27:08,146
is closed.

2761
01:27:08,146 --> 01:27:10,146
Thank you, everyone.

2762
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:12,117
Now that we are at the end of

2763
01:27:12,117 --> 01:27:16,317
our agenda I am going to adjourn