1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,399 Good evening. I would like to welcome 2 00:00:02,399 --> 00:00:04,640 everyone to the town of Lexton council 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,640 work session this evening, August the 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,120 17th, 2026. 5 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,200 Work [snorts] sessions are less formal 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,440 business meetings that enable council to 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,320 obtain information regarding issues from 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,800 staff members and/or consultants. 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Citizens are encouraged to observe work 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,039 sessions. However, they do not include 11 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,000 public hearing comments. Council does 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,640 not take an action vote during a work 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,960 session other than to place an item on 14 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,600 the next council meeting. 15 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,520 I am Hazel Livingston, the mayor of the 16 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,440 town of Lexon, and I'd like to introduce 17 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,920 my fellow council members. To my left is 18 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,520 council member Ron Williams. 19 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,079 >> Good evening. 20 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:44,640 >> To his left is council member Todd Lau. 21 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,200 >> Good evening. 22 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,280 >> To his left is council member Jenny 23 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,840 Michaels. 24 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,640 >> Good evening. 25 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,360 >> To my right is Mayor Pro Tim Todd KS. 26 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,360 >> Good evening. To his right is council 27 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,719 member Gavin Smith. 28 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:55,360 >> Good evening. 29 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,360 >> And to his right is council member Will 30 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:57,920 Allen. 31 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,960 >> Good evening. 32 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,920 >> At this time, I would ask Mayor Proim KS 33 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,760 to lead us in our invocation for 34 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,280 tonight. 35 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,680 >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Let's pray. 36 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Father, we uh pause a moment here before 37 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,400 you before we 38 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,720 try to handle the business of this town 39 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,280 and ask for your favor on this town. ask 40 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,840 for your favor on us as leaders and uh 41 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,479 we want a great, prosperous, peaceful, 42 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:31,280 just town and we definitely need your 43 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,200 wisdom to pull that off. So we ask for 44 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,759 that. Thank you for all the things you 45 00:01:35,759 --> 00:01:38,880 provided thus far and we pray for these 46 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,920 things not only for our town but for our 47 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,880 state and our nation and our world. We 48 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,520 pray this all in Jesus name. Amen. 49 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,759 >> Amen. At this time, I'd like to ask 50 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:51,840 Council Member Smith to lead us in the 51 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,510 pledge. 52 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,320 » I pledge algiance to the flag of the 53 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,799 United States of America and to the 54 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:04,159 republic for which it stands, one nation 55 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:07,360 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 56 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:14,550 justice for all. 57 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,400 » At this time, I will call the meeting to 58 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,800 order. 59 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Council met in executive session prior 60 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,520 to this meeting where we discussed the 61 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,200 following matters. [snorts] Three 62 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,599 personnel matters. Discussion of two 63 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,160 contractual items related to information 64 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,160 technology. 65 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,319 Discussion of a contractual item related 66 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:36,560 to parks and community services and 67 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,319 discussion of potential property 68 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:41,440 acquisition. No vote was taken. Do I 69 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,400 hear a motion to ratify this report? 70 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,680 >> So moved. 71 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,440 >> Councilman 72 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Williams makes the motion. 73 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,080 >> Second. 74 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,560 >> Mayor Proim seconds it. Is there any 75 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,360 discussion? 76 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,120 Hearing none. All those in favor, raise 77 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,599 your right hand. [snorts] And it is 78 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:01,680 unanimous. 79 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,760 Are there any deletions of items from 80 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,309 tonight's work session agenda? 81 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:10,959 Okay, moving right into our business 82 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:13,120 items tonight. Our first business item 83 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,000 is from planning and building director 84 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,122 Jessica Libran. 85 00:03:19,122 --> 00:03:20,080 [snorts] 86 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,080 First of all, welcome tonight and 87 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,400 congratulations on your big passing your 88 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,200 test today. 89 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,319 >> Thank you very much. 90 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,080 >> Oh, congrats. [clears throat] 91 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,879 >> Um, good evening. Hope y'all are doing 92 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:33,599 well. The Gates family has submitted the 93 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:35,599 attached request that was in your packet 94 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:37,200 regarding future development of their 95 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,599 property. The primary request is for 96 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:41,392 town council to consider allowing a 97 00:03:41,392 --> 00:03:43,120 [snorts] future residential developer of 98 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,280 the property to access town water and 99 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,159 sewer utilities without annexation into 100 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:50,720 the town. The family has also identified 101 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,640 other potential options for council's 102 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,640 consideration related to the future use 103 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,799 and development of the property. These 104 00:03:56,799 --> 00:03:58,560 options are outlined in the attached 105 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,920 correspondence and the family and their 106 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,319 representatives are here tonight should 107 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:06,959 you have any questions or discussion 108 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:10,789 with staff. 109 00:04:10,799 --> 00:04:17,270 » Does anyone have any questions of staff? 110 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,400 » Yes, madame mayor. 111 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,560 >> Yes. Jessica, 112 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,240 have we ever received a request like 113 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,320 this [snorts] previously to your 114 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,440 knowledge and you just passed your uh 115 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,560 your big uh national certification? 116 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Uh are there any are there any 117 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,600 standards? I mean certainly we we 118 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,960 haven't in my 14 years. So I just is 119 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,479 there any context there that you can 120 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:42,400 deliver from your planning and zoning 121 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,240 background? I have not received any 122 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,560 requests um like this during my time 123 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,440 here or previously before here. Um 124 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,199 typically those will would follow 125 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,479 um a request for annexation. Utilities 126 00:04:56,479 --> 00:05:00,479 are would require that. 127 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:03,600 >> Thank you, 128 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,400 >> Madame Mayor. 129 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,880 >> Yes, sir. In the correspondence we 130 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,759 received uh it states that international 131 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:12,720 paper company had made a somewhat a 132 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,880 similar request uh requested water and 133 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,199 sewer utility access without annexation 134 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,840 and was uh granted such is that 135 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:20,720 accurate. 136 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,720 >> Um I actually looked into that just so 137 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,080 that I would have some historical 138 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,360 knowledge. Um based off of their utility 139 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,199 account they opened the account in June 140 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:32,800 of 1993. Um, I did pull a copy of our 141 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,360 annexation map that's available online 142 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,039 and it appears that we were not 143 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:38,639 contiguous at the time that they 144 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:41,600 connected to services. Um, based off of 145 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,440 the information that I have just from 146 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,720 speaking with other um, staff members, I don't believe at that time we were 147 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,880 making people sign annexation 148 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,199 agreements. I don't have that like a 149 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:55,680 written policy on when that started, but 150 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,360 I believe that that is why we have not 151 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,280 that's why they were not annexed at the 152 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:02,479 time that they signed on for our 153 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:03,120 utilities. 154 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,319 >> And I know that it that annexation 155 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:09,120 policy that we required people to sign 156 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,080 came shortly after I came on council. It 157 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:12,639 >> okay. 158 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:14,639 >> It was actually caused probably of Hope 159 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,360 Perry Plantation is what caused us to 160 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,560 have that letter. Okay. 161 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,639 >> So, we started putting the letter in 162 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:22,319 place then. and Gavin to where they had 163 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:26,000 to [snorts] sign that they would come in 164 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,600 if they were contiguous. 165 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,919 >> Based off the annexation map, Zinker 166 00:06:29,919 --> 00:06:33,039 Road was annexed in December of 1993, 167 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:35,199 which would have been the closest to 168 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:37,919 this property, but that was se several 169 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:40,319 months after the utility accounts were 170 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:41,919 established. [snorts] 171 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:47,029 >> Okay. Thank you. 172 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:52,150 » Any other questions? 173 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,360 Madame Mayor. Yes, sir. Can 174 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,280 >> I just ask one clarifying question? So, 175 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:59,360 if we were as council to approve this, 176 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,599 >> am I correct in stating that we would be 177 00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:05,360 creating an exception that had not been 178 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,039 created before? 179 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:09,360 >> In my time with the town, and to my 180 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,360 knowledge, this has not been granted 181 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,639 previously. 182 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:14,720 >> Okay. And that is because currently it 183 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,440 is contiguous with town boundaries. 184 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,400 >> Correct. 185 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,000 >> Okay. Thank you. 186 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,319 >> And if we did that, we would be setting 187 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,639 it up for everybody to be able to 188 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:27,199 request and do this. Correct. 189 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:28,400 >> Potentially. Yes. 190 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:43,270 >> Okay. 191 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Does anyone 192 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,909 want to make a motion or 193 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:51,520 make a motion? 194 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:58,070 >> So, I guess that it does for right now. 195 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Thank you, Jessica. 196 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Next up, we have the street light 197 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:15,749 ordinance update from administrator. 198 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:19,909 Thank you, Mayor. 199 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:22,080 Town ordinance 200 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,039 154.06.15 [snorts] 201 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:24,879 06.15 202 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:27,280 is related to street lights and it 203 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,960 establishes the requirements for 204 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,759 residential street light installation in 205 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,599 the process by which the town assumes 206 00:08:33,599 --> 00:08:35,519 responsibility for the street light 207 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,719 operating costs. Staff is currently in 208 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:40,640 receipt of a couple requests for 209 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,880 subdivision street lights to be assumed 210 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,200 by the town and is working through those 211 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,160 processes. At the same time, staff 212 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,000 recognizes that the ordinance that 213 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,320 governs our street lights, it dates to 214 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,080 1986. 215 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,959 As such, it's about time for us to 216 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:59,839 update the ordinance uh to reflect 217 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:02,640 current lighting standards, technology, 218 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,040 safety considerations, and community 219 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,680 needs. And frankly, so that we can 220 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,320 evaluate the applications 221 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,920 um against modern standards. 222 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,600 staff at this time recommends a 223 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,760 comprehensive review and modernization 224 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,320 of the ordinance and we are willing to 225 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,320 bring an updated or a redlinined 226 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,040 ordinance for council to review as early 227 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,680 as the September 2026 council work 228 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:29,440 session for your review and 229 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,600 consideration. 230 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,959 In your agenda packet provided for you 231 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,040 is [snorts] the copy of the town 232 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,959 ordinance. It's rather short. Um, I'm 233 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:42,800 happy to answer any questions that you 234 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,040 all have related to the ordinance or any 235 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,279 of the um the thoughts that staff has 236 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:51,519 brainstormed to date related to updating 237 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:54,746 the ordinance. 238 00:09:54,746 --> 00:09:55,600 [snorts] 239 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,200 >> With that, does anybody have any 240 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,800 questions? I think this one is just for 241 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,320 information for now and then you'll be 242 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,920 bringing it back for September work 243 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,399 session. 244 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,519 >> Yes, mayor. Okay. Yes. Does anybody have 245 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:06,640 any questions? 246 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,440 >> Yes, madame mayor. 247 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,600 >> Okay. Go ahead. I'm sure you suspected. 248 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,440 Um, so I look back in my email 249 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,120 correspondence and for transparency 250 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,800 purposes um I think and correct me if 251 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,040 I'm wrong that I'm where this originated 252 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,120 from. Um, I was serving in uh my 253 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,399 neighborhood [snorts] actually Sterling 254 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:27,279 Bridge uh was uh HOA president at the 255 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:29,040 time. We were going through our budget 256 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360 and I noticed a line item for street 257 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,600 lights and that triggered my memory that 258 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,200 hey I believe we have an ordinance that 259 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,360 we actually pay for this. Also for 260 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,040 transparency I no longer serve in that 261 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,880 capacity. I'm not on the HOA board and I 262 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,440 am just [snorts] a resident. Um but 263 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,519 obviously um this has lingered. Staff 264 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,160 has continued to do work. Um as I stated 265 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,600 I brought this to staff last year 266 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,959 October 22nd, 2025 is this f first email 267 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:55,120 correspondence. So we're about a year 268 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,399 now. Um, I can speak only for uh the 269 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:00,480 Sterling Bridge neighborhood that we we 270 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,200 spend about 39 $40,000 a year. Um, and 271 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,959 um, we have never received any kind of 272 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:09,680 reimbursement. Um, and what I hear from 273 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:11,839 staff is that there are many 274 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:14,079 neighborhoods across town that may find 275 00:11:14,079 --> 00:11:16,800 themselves in the same situation. Um, so 276 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,200 I understand that you'll be doing a 277 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,560 comprehensive audit to determine how 278 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,880 many neighborhoods that is, what are the 279 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,360 financial implications, but I would also 280 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,880 ask at this time, I mean, we've 281 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,480 obviously identified a few 282 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,720 neighborhoods. I understand. 283 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Um, would we be tableabling 284 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,079 how we want to proceed with those? Um, 285 00:11:38,079 --> 00:11:40,959 as far as I mean, I can speak for a 286 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:42,560 couple of neighborhoods. it appears that 287 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:43,839 we should have been paying for street 288 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:47,040 lights that we haven't been paying for. 289 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,959 How would how how does staff recommend 290 00:11:48,959 --> 00:11:51,760 handling that in this moment? 291 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,760 >> Well, so okay, there's a number of 292 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,959 questions there. So, at this point, the 293 00:11:56,959 --> 00:12:00,320 applications that we've received, we are 294 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,360 not taking action on now because they 295 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,120 wouldn't meet the [snorts] current 296 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,360 ordinance requirements. So, we wouldn't 297 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,839 take the lights because they don't match 298 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:12,959 what our ordinance states. So, one of 299 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:15,600 the there are many reasons that staff 300 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,279 wants to bring this back, and I can walk 301 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:20,399 through them for you. Um, first, as I 302 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,240 mentioned, um, this was established in 303 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,240 1986, and our standard street lights are 304 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,360 listed here. And I I don't know that 305 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,760 that's the standard that we need to 306 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,440 continue to have. It's 2026. There are a 307 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,440 number of neighborhoods that have 308 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,360 different types of lights and there may 309 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,760 be better lights. We need to look into 310 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,320 that so that we're making sure that 311 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,959 we're funding the most appropriate 312 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:48,720 street lights. If if our modern 313 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,440 neighborhoods don't fit the standards 314 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,279 from 1986, 315 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:55,440 then by ordinance, we wouldn't take in 316 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,493 any of the new street lights. 317 00:12:57,493 --> 00:12:57,600 >> [snorts] 318 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,480 >> Furthermore, um it states that it should 319 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,760 be installed at a rate of one light per 320 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,320 six lots. If you think back into 1986, 321 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,120 the subdivision lots were larger than 322 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,519 what they are today. Most newer 323 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:15,040 neighborhoods, you might be looking at 324 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,120 a/4 acre um per lot. And so if six lots 325 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,480 previously were a halfacre each, you'll 326 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,720 have fewer number of street lights than 327 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,240 if you look at quarter acre lots. Um so 328 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,079 we want to look at that and make sure 329 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:32,079 are we lighting appropriately. We don't 330 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:34,160 want to overlight nor do we want to 331 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,440 underlight for safety purposes. Um 332 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,000 furthermore, we need to look at how we 333 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,120 define a subdivision or a neighborhood. 334 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Um, most folks think of a larger 335 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,600 subdivision with an HOA, very clearly 336 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,519 defined and signed. Um, but we have 337 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:55,839 other areas that were once a large 338 00:13:55,839 --> 00:13:58,880 parcel that were subdivided into maybe 339 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,680 five, 10 homes or town homes. Does that 340 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,720 constitute a subdivision? Would we uh 341 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,880 would the town take over those lights? 342 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,800 So, those are the number of things that 343 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,240 we need to look at and make 344 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,639 recommendations for. In addition to your 345 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,760 point um taking into consideration 346 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,800 cost consideration uh we can bring that 347 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,480 and we will let staff evaluate make 348 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,639 recommendations uh so we can move 349 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,600 forward. Our intent in doing this as 350 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,160 well is so that we have an ordinance 351 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,279 that generally fits most neighborhoods 352 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,920 as opposed to have to coming back with 353 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,399 oneoffs or special exceptions. If we 354 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:39,839 have an ordinance where we're always 355 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:41,839 having to make exceptions, is it really 356 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:43,440 an effective ordinance? That's that's 357 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,600 the other aspect. The goal would be that 358 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,920 we have an ordinance that fits the 359 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,839 general purpose of what council wants 360 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:52,079 for the community and we're not having 361 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:54,800 to come multiple times um in front of 362 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,440 you on an annual or other regular basis 363 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,560 to request you all to make an exception. 364 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,199 >> Understood. Thank you. Um and then one 365 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:05,839 follow-up question. Um, so I understand 366 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:09,120 that some of the neighborhoods have more 367 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,880 ornamental uh fixtures as opposed to the 368 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,440 standard uh light, which I believe is 369 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,600 called a HPS, high-pressure sodium 370 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,560 light. 371 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,120 >> Um, and 372 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,399 >> it uh cost uh a little bit more to 373 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,240 operate that light. Yes. Um, so have we 374 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,880 set a precedent um in any other 375 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,160 neighborhoods for funding a portion of a 376 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,199 higher or more ornamental light and then 377 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:38,800 the neighborhood being responsible for 378 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:39,440 the difference? 379 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,360 >> Not to my knowledge. No, that that was 380 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,120 definitely an area that needed to be 381 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,800 addressed. We recognize that. 382 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,639 >> Okay. All right. Um well, I know we'll 383 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,720 look forward to receiving information 384 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,560 back on this. Um, 385 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,800 >> and and I do want to acknowledge, I know 386 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,600 you said the time frame of the email 387 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,160 that the first correspondence and stuff. 388 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,680 We also had to depend on Dominion and 389 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,120 their time frame of getting us back all 390 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,560 of the lights of physically checking all 391 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,160 of the lights and making sure we're 392 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,920 responsible for all of them and what was 393 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,560 on and what wasn't as far as our system. 394 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,040 So, that is some of the reason it took 395 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,040 so long. I do believe 396 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 >> that's correct, mayor. And based on just 397 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,519 an initial review, if there's any 398 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,440 council comments of things that you 399 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,199 might like to see adjusted, I'm happy to 400 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:31,279 hear them now. Um, or if you'd like to 401 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:33,920 subsequently send an email, for example, 402 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,079 if you think it should be one light per 403 00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:38,320 seven lots or five lots, any sort of of 404 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,320 red lines like that, we're happy to take 405 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,959 that into consideration as we prepare 406 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,120 the recommended red lines. 407 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:45,920 >> Madame Mayor, 408 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,079 >> yes, sir. I would be in favor of us not 409 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:49,600 paying for street lights of 410 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,360 neighborhoods. I think they can pay for 411 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,279 their own street lights. 412 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:58,949 >> Okay. Thank you, 413 00:16:58,959 --> 00:16:59,680 » Madame Mayor. 414 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,320 >> Yes, sir. 415 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,920 >> So, I guess for a point of 416 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,160 clarification, and we can come back with 417 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,240 this later, but would that council 418 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,799 member Lau pertain to all the 419 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:10,319 neighborhoods that we currently pay for 420 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,319 and we stop paying for those or we're 421 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,559 just not taking any new ones? Yeah, I 422 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:16,640 was not aware until this recently that 423 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,319 we were paying for any of those. And I 424 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,919 feel like that's a a due that is 425 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:24,240 uh easily collectible and more rightly 426 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,319 collectible by the members of that 427 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,480 neighborhood. So just like any new 428 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,160 neighborhood that's got amenities, they 429 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,240 can collect a few extra dollars to pay 430 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,520 for their street lights and not the 431 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,919 taxpayers who choose not to live in a 432 00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:38,160 neighborhood with street lights. 433 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Feel like it's more appropriately born 434 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,600 by those who would benefit from it and 435 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,840 not from everyone. [snorts] 436 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,679 Is it not a developmental standard 437 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:46,559 though? 438 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:48,080 >> I don't believe it is. 439 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,240 >> I believe it was incorporated with our 440 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,520 >> to be paid for. 441 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,120 >> Um 442 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,600 I can't speak to that, but I I believe 443 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,200 it was incorporated and we may have to 444 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,840 ask Jessica the um the number of street 445 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,360 lights per lot, 446 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,039 >> right? But that's not a requirement that 447 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:04,880 we pay for. So just like we require a 448 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,320 developer to put sidewalks in a 449 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,360 neighborhood, we're not going to offer 450 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:08,400 to pay for them. We're just going to 451 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,440 make that a requirement. 452 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,960 >> Correct. So, we can require street 453 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,000 lights, but that doesn't mean we have to 454 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,679 pay for it. It's a decision the 455 00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:15,600 developer makes. And just like a pool, 456 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,640 if you don't want to pay for a 457 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,080 neighborhood pool, you don't buy a house 458 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,799 in a neighborhood with a pool. Or if you 459 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:22,880 don't mind paying for one, you buy one 460 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,720 that has a pool and you don't mind that 461 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,240 cost. But I just don't think the 462 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,760 taxpayers who don't live in a 463 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,880 neighborhood should pay for the street 464 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,480 lights of [snorts] others. 465 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,559 >> Uh, I guess my follow-up question to 466 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:34,720 that then would be I've [snorts] been on 467 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,559 council for three years and every year 468 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:41,440 comes before us. The next agenda item, what? Number four, I guess 469 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,280 tonight or number three. 470 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,840 >> And if I my recollection serves me 471 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,200 correctly, we've all voted in the 472 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,280 affirmative to pay for Pilgrim Point 473 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,080 Street lights. So to say that we didn't 474 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,240 know, I think we did know. Um we're not 475 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,320 just paying for one neighborhood's 476 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,720 street lights. 477 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,320 Just wanted to offer that point of 478 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,160 clarification. 479 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,360 >> Understood. and um Pilgrim Point. The 480 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:10,000 next item is a prime example of a 481 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,919 neighborhood that does not meet the 482 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:14,320 requirement or the the standard of the 483 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,400 ordinance, if you will. Um it's a ne 484 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,600 this neighborhood and then we have at 485 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,440 least one others. They have privately 486 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,840 maintained roads and at some point 487 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,240 historically um the town has heard their 488 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,880 request uh to provide reimbursement for 489 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,559 lighting and because a formal exception 490 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:31,919 was not carved out or the ordinance 491 00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:34,880 wasn't updated annually the neighborhood 492 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,200 submits the request for reimbursement. 493 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,200 So at any point in time council can 494 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,120 decide to 495 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,000 pay for it or council can decide to not. 496 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,919 So that would be another reason why 497 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,400 we're updating the ordinance. So, should 498 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,760 we hold the next item until we get this 499 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,520 ordinance updated so we can make sure 500 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,043 we're treating everybody the same? 501 00:19:56,043 --> 00:19:56,080 [snorts] 502 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,640 >> You most certainly can. Yes. And I I 503 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,880 would like to point out that um this has 504 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,799 happened with this particular item 505 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:04,000 previously 506 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,840 >> as well. It was tabled until we could do 507 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,760 further research and have more 508 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,200 discussion. So, we can certainly do that 509 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,480 with this item as well. 510 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,840 >> Okay. And then the other thing is when I 511 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,760 was talking to you about this one day, 512 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,520 at first you didn't think there was a 513 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,520 president, but it is not uncommon for 514 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,080 municipalities to pay for street lights 515 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,679 in communities. 516 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:29,039 >> Correct. It's not uncommon. Every 517 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:31,919 community has their own standards um by 518 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:34,559 which they they set for payment of 519 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,280 lights. I I can't say off the top of my 520 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,400 head how we compare to others. Um, but I 521 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,280 did a a quick check on regional 522 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,960 communities and how much they pay. For 523 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,360 example, um, the town in this budget 524 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,960 year, FY27, we budget $400,000 for 525 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,440 expenditures of our street lights. Um, 526 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,640 so as we take a look at what more we 527 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,360 take on into the town system, that could 528 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,600 make a major budget impact into the 529 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,480 future. And based on my comparison to 530 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,360 other cities, we're fairly in line um 531 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,600 with what others are paying um 532 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,679 considering the size of city and number 533 00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:13,360 of households. 534 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:14,240 >> Madam Mayor, 535 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,120 >> yes. 536 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,640 >> So that [clears throat] was going to be 537 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,159 my question is we we budgeted 400,000. 538 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:24,000 Do we know the cost that we've spent at 539 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,360 this point on street lights? And if so, 540 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,120 um as we add new neighborhoods, 541 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,280 obviously that goes up. But do we know 542 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,280 what that cost is exactly? 543 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,799 >> Well, so we we budget annually 544 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:38,159 essentially based on what we paid the 545 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:41,360 year prior. We have not brought on new 546 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,320 street lights aside from a town project 547 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,200 where we would have additional um street 548 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,760 lights or area lights probably not a 549 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,679 neighborhood for example for a number of 550 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:54,159 years. So we've been fairly steady and 551 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:56,720 we we just adjust. This year I believe 552 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,760 was the first time it broke 400,000. So 553 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,039 what we budget is based on what we pay 554 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,159 the prior year. 555 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:04,880 >> Gotcha. 556 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,080 >> Yeah. 557 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,559 >> And and I will say the the 400 does 558 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:11,200 include not only subdivision lights, but 559 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,039 also um lights on our properties or or 560 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:18,400 other areas that we would maintain. 561 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,720 >> Council member Williams. 562 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,280 >> So 563 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,799 I've received several calls from some 564 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:25,840 neighborhoods that want to add more 565 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,360 lights to their neighborhood and I 566 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,960 reached out to you. you know, what do we 567 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,320 do? Um 568 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,000 I going back to revisiting this 569 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:34,880 ordinance, I think we're going to have 570 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,880 to look at it more as of um we might 571 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,080 need need some guidance from the 572 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Dominion on how far apart they ought to 573 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:41,919 be. 574 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:42,240 >> Yes. 575 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,159 >> Because to your point of lot sizes. 576 00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:44,480 >> Yeah. 577 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,400 >> We certainly can't put this subdivision 578 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,799 with a light every six houses and just 579 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:50,400 apply that standard to every size 580 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,360 subdivision 581 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:52,880 >> because some of those lights will be so 582 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,400 bright you play football. 583 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,760 >> Yes. So, um 584 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,880 >> because they'd be LED or and I sorry to 585 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,840 interrupt, but furthermore, um we also 586 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240 would need to define 587 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,840 >> that the lights need to be in the right 588 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,200 of way. Um we have some neighborhoods 589 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,240 where the public lights are actually on 590 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,760 personal property. 591 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,320 >> Why, I'm not sure. there there would be 592 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,320 more research into the specific 593 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,360 situations, but 594 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,120 the town should not be paying for a 595 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,960 light that's on someone's private 596 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,559 property. So, there's there's a number 597 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,280 of of issues related to that. 598 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,840 >> Well, I just I'll look for for y'all to 599 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,120 bring us back a bunch of information. 600 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,360 Sounds like it's going to open up uh 601 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,720 Pandora's box when we start on this one. 602 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,440 >> Madame Mayor. 603 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:39,919 >> Yes, sir. 604 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,559 >> I just want to ask one further thing. 605 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,200 So, we require by ordinance currently a 606 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,080 street light per six lights or per six 607 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,880 lots. Um, if I'm correct? Um, 608 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,520 and if we did away with the town paying 609 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,679 for said street lights and there's not 610 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:05,840 an HOA, who bears the cost of that? 611 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,120 >> That's something that we would have to 612 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:07,840 determine 613 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,600 >> because we require it. Somebody's got to 614 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,080 pay for it. I don't know who pays for it 615 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,679 and maybe there is a reasonable answer 616 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:16,159 to that. I I don't know. I'm not in the 617 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:19,360 development world. Um but I guess my 618 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,440 next question would be to follow up on 619 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,320 that moving forward. If [snorts] we have 620 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,240 new neighborhoods come into town, but 621 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,279 there is not going to be an HOA, 622 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,360 how do we enforce those street lights 623 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,679 being maintained? Do we require them be 624 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:39,760 on private property and we require that 625 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,559 property owner to pay for them? What is 626 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,880 our mechanism to make sure that 627 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,880 individuals are in compliance with the 628 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,080 ordinance? Um I I think that could be 629 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,360 opening Pandora's box as well. And then 630 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,039 you don't have to come up here and say 631 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,480 anything, Chief, but I would imagine 632 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,400 that there is some public safety 633 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,159 component to having these street lights 634 00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:03,840 in neighborhoods. Um, I am certainly in 635 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,000 favor of evaluating where the lights are 636 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,679 located and what type of lights there 637 00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:09,200 are because my neighborhood is a prime 638 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,760 example of lights actually being not in 639 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,159 the right of way and people's rooms 640 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:16,000 being lit up by street lights that they 641 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,159 have no control over. Um, so 642 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:21,679 I think I've made all the points that I 643 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:23,360 wanted to make on this, but 644 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,720 >> so with you saying that, and I'm not 645 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,480 picking on Sterling Bridge, but just 646 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,360 with him saying that, if when we rewrite 647 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:32,960 this and we decide to keep moving 648 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,200 forward and stuff, if they are in 649 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,120 somebody's yard, are they going to stay 650 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,679 there and that homeowner is going to pay 651 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:43,279 for it, which is what used to happen, or 652 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,440 it goes on the homeowner's bill, or do 653 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,559 they have to have them moved? 654 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,320 meaning 655 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,080 >> I would be very opposed to forcing a 656 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,000 homeowner to move a light that we as the 657 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,640 town approved and I I suppose and 658 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,919 Jessica you could tell me if I'm wrong 659 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,520 on this but we approved that in final 660 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,960 plot approval right where all those are 661 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,440 at and [snorts] I mean do we have any 662 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,070 say so in that do we look at that 663 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,279 now we're just forcing more cost on a 664 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:16,559 homeowner I feel like they should kind 665 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,080 going to be grandfathered in and fix 666 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,840 this moving forward. 667 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,080 >> To further open Pandora's box, um 668 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,679 this is in the land development 669 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,159 ordinance. It's been there since what 99 670 00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:32,400 I believe. Um so we have always it's in 671 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200 my time with the town have always punted 672 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,000 street lights to the transportation 673 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,720 department for review during final 674 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,600 review. I don't know that we have a plan 675 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,000 on file of where those were located and that's just being transparent and 676 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,279 honest. Um so that is something that I 677 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,240 would recommend in the future to avoid 678 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720 having issues like because I personally 679 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,523 looked into that one that you're talking 680 00:26:58,523 --> 00:27:02,240 [snorts] about. Um to avoid that. 681 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,679 >> Um this is definitely something we need 682 00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:04,640 to look into. 683 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,240 >> So if it's in our land development 684 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,039 ordinance, it only relates to the number 685 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,159 of lights per households. Correct. So 686 00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:15,600 that would that portion would go also to 687 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,120 planning commission. 688 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,960 >> The the Yes. So the street light 689 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,720 ordinance per state law planning 690 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,000 commission because it's in our land 691 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,679 development or ordinance planning 692 00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:24,960 commission would need to provide a 693 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840 recommendation to town council on any 694 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,039 changes to that ordinance. So then 695 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,240 essentially if we continue 696 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,480 the [snorts] process of paying for the 697 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,440 street lights, we would want to separate 698 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,000 that ordinance from 699 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,279 your 700 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,279 >> I would recommend that. Yes. If 701 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,880 especially if you're going to make it a 702 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,799 development 703 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,360 standard and then a town policy or 704 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,279 procedure for what they're willing to 705 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,440 take on for m regular repair, 706 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,399 maintenance, and paying for. 707 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,749 And then one last question for you. In 708 00:28:00,749 --> 00:28:03,279 [snorts] the land development ordinance, 709 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,039 does it specify the type of street 710 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,799 lights or is it just the number of 711 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,240 lights per 712 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,640 >> it? It is that excerpt that you have. 713 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,360 >> Okay. 714 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,120 >> Thank you, 715 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:13,919 >> Madame Mayor. 716 00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:14,480 >> Yes, sir. 717 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,320 >> Can I just ask whoever looks into this, 718 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,919 can uh can they take a look at solar? 719 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:20,720 >> Okay. 720 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,080 >> To be 721 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,360 >> solar lights 722 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,440 >> to to allow solar lights to be installed 723 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,159 in residential. Yeah. How How far is 724 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:29,840 that technology down the road? I would 725 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,279 think that technology is far enough down 726 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,760 the road that solar street lights would 727 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,120 be a a great long-term viable solution, 728 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,960 but I don't know, but we should look. 729 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,000 >> Okay, this is definitely a multi-dep 730 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120 departmental task. Um, I know there's a 731 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,200 number of directors in the room and not 732 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,880 in the room who have all had opinions 733 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,360 and want the ability to weigh in on 734 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:51,760 this. 735 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,960 >> And I'm sure you're going to hear a lot 736 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,070 of opinions from up here. 737 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,760 So, do we have to make a motion to since 738 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,399 that that was an FY, but our next item, 739 00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:06,080 do we have to make a motion to table it 740 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,799 or can we just table it or move it to 741 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,799 our work next work session to go along 742 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,399 with 743 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:13,039 the ordinance? 744 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:14,399 >> Madame Mayor, 745 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:16,880 >> this is asking for reimbursement, right? 746 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,440 >> Correct. 747 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,720 >> Yeah. I'm not in favor of retroactively 748 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,480 imputing some penalty on some 749 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,280 neighborhood. 750 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:23,440 >> [snorts] 751 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,919 >> any any recommendation that I would have 752 00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:27,679 to shift that cost to the homeowners 753 00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:30,240 would be some date in the future, give 754 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,240 them due process rights and then let it 755 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,919 carry forward. So I I don't know that we 756 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:35,440 need to punt this one because this is a 757 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,200 backay issue, right? 758 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,360 >> So this particular one is a neighborhood 759 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,399 that has private roads that would not 760 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:44,640 ordinarily would we pay for their street 761 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,480 lights. And so this particular 762 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,559 neighborhood, they bear all of the cost 763 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,640 for their street lights. And then every 764 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,799 once a year they submit to us a 765 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,919 reimbursement request for a portion of 766 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,600 the lights to be reimbursed 767 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,679 >> based on the ordinance or the policy. 768 00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:02,399 >> Uh technically speaking it does it does 769 00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:05,279 not meet our ordinance. At some point 770 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,760 historically this and another 771 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,760 neighborhood have come to council saying 772 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,679 hey we have private roads and there's a 773 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:12,960 benefit that you provide to town 774 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,399 residents that we don't get. Would you 775 00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,240 be willing to at least reimburse a 776 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,240 portion? and council has historically 777 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,279 agreed to do that. 778 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,440 >> Yeah. My my advice would be again based 779 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,279 on habit and custom that we should carry 780 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,720 that forward till we put them on notice 781 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,840 that we're not going to do that. 782 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,720 >> I understand 783 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,840 >> that that's my point. If we're going to make a sweeping 784 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,960 decision to update a 20 plus year old 785 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:39,120 ordinance based on changing the um 786 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,360 the electronic um means LEDs versus you 787 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,480 know incandescent or solar like all 788 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240 these changes should be some line in the 789 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,640 sand going forward. So I don't my advice 790 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,799 would be that we don't punt on this. Uh 791 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,320 is this Pilgrim Point or is this 792 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,440 >> this is Pilgrim Point? 793 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,120 >> Yes, this is Settler's Point and Pilgrim 794 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,320 Point. That's the two neighborhoods I 795 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:58,799 believe 796 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,559 >> where Settlers Point has not been taken 797 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:00,880 in. 798 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,559 >> Moro Vis is new. 799 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:03,120 >> Yes. 800 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,279 >> Yeah. So they we'd add them to the list. 801 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,159 I know that 802 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,880 >> this is Pilgrim's Point and they've been 803 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,279 being reimbured since 2009. 804 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,840 >> Yeah. So I I would be in favor of not 805 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,520 telling them surprise, you're not 806 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,200 getting reimbursed after the fact. I 807 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,399 think that should be a going forward 808 00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:20,159 issue so they can make an informed 809 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:23,279 decision on whatever decision we make. 810 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,320 So, okay. Tonight, um the action 811 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,080 requested for you all because this is 812 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,919 work session um 813 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,279 >> is to put it on the agenda. 814 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:32,799 >> To put it on September. 815 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,159 >> Make that motion then. 816 00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:37,039 >> Yeah. Yeah. Move to put that on the 817 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,880 agenda. 818 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,240 >> Do I hear a second? 819 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,320 >> Second. 820 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720 >> Any discussion on this? You heard? 821 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960 >> So, I guess Madame Mayor. 822 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,600 >> Yes, sir. 823 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,399 >> Yeah. So, I I don't necessarily disagree 824 00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,080 with Council Member Lau. I mean, this is 825 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,080 the policy that's on the books. Uh, 826 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,919 we've made exceptions every year I've 827 00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:58,240 been on council. But my question would 828 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,519 be, are we going to apply the same 829 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,440 standard to the neighborhoods such as 830 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,120 mine or the other neighborhoods that 831 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,960 have applied that are waiting for a 832 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840 decision? I mean, I don't know when each 833 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,000 plat was approved for my neighborhood. I 834 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,519 could figure that out. But the the 835 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,200 ordinance is very clear that when the 836 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,399 plat is approved, 837 00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:18,720 the town assumes responsibility for 838 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,279 operating costs. Uh, I can't remember 839 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:22,720 the exact language. Basically, for the 840 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600 operating costs and [snorts] I think it 841 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,039 says maintenance costs. You could be 842 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,399 wrong on that. Um, are we going to take 843 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,000 up those applications and approve or 844 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,600 deny them? Because right now, I mean, 845 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440 they're sitting before ours has been 846 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,909 sitting there since last October. 847 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,960 So, town staff would have to bring to 848 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,200 council the request uh to make a full 849 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,720 slate of exceptions and 850 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,480 we can do that um and council can vote 851 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,480 as they would like. The staff 852 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,600 recommendation was that we update the 853 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,000 ordinance so that we don't have a bunch 854 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120 of one-off exceptions. depending on how 855 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,360 the ordinance is rewritten, you may not 856 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,200 need an exception. 857 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,080 >> So, from what I understand, Gavin, is 858 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,399 you would not meet this and I'm this is 859 00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,720 what I've been listening and correct me 860 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,080 if I'm wrong, but [snorts] your 861 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,279 neighborhood would not meet the current 862 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,159 ordinance. So, you would have to request 863 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:26,559 say half just like they got approved in 864 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,279 2009 865 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,679 >> retroactively. Yes. But if we change the 866 00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,919 >> but for yearly yearly. Yes. 867 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,320 >> But retroactively, there's an amount 868 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,320 arguably I mean, I'm sure someone 869 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,310 disputes it. Arguably [clears throat] 870 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,279 » that is owed to 871 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,840 >> many neighborhoods across town, not not 872 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640 just one. Not this isn't just about my 873 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,919 neighborhood to be very clear. I mean, 874 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:54,480 I've heard from several neighborhoods uh 875 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,799 that didn't even know this existed, but 876 00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,240 when you go look at the the code of 877 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720 ordinances, it does. Now, I think you 878 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,960 make a very valid point. what is the 879 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840 standard light now? Because back then it 880 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,919 was one light. Now in modern day times 881 00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:10,879 that standard light is different. 882 00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,119 >> So I apologize. I misunderstood what you 883 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,320 were saying. I didn't realize you were 884 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,800 referring to I believe what you were 885 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,800 saying was 886 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,639 the town would look retroactively for 887 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,240 how long your HOA has been paying for 888 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,879 street lights and if we would provide a 889 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,480 reimbursement [snorts] retroactively. 890 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,639 >> Just to be clear, it's not just my HOA. 891 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,560 any HOA that comes to the town and says, 892 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,359 "You you accepted our subdivision on 893 00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:36,159 this date." 894 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:36,560 >> Yes. 895 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,679 >> But we have never received 896 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,679 reimbursement. And I I don't know. 897 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,720 There's probably some statute of 898 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,240 limitations or something there. I don't 899 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:45,440 know. But you accept it on this date. 900 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,879 We've never received the benefit of this 901 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,720 what the ordinance says. We'd like to be 902 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,480 reimbursed by that. Would this council 903 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,079 have to take up each one of those 904 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,200 decisions? 905 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480 >> Um potentially. I I that that's the best 906 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,119 that I have right now is potentially um 907 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,440 >> this is not what this neighborhood did 908 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,359 is doing though, right? 909 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,760 >> No, Pilgrim Point that is not what Point 910 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,079 is doing. 911 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:09,520 >> I don't think we ever paid them 912 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,440 retroactive. We paid them starting from 913 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,480 2009. If I remember correctly, 914 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,560 >> I wasn't on it. 915 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,400 >> Their letter states that in 2009 they 916 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,839 appealed to the town council for the 917 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:24,800 first time. Um, and 918 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,640 we've been doing this since 2009 for 919 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,320 them. So, I would I think staff needs 920 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,160 to, as far as the rest of the 921 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,400 subdivisions need to go, staff needs to 922 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,839 figure out how many lights that would 923 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:37,599 be, what that would cost the town, and 924 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,520 the council would have to decide if we 925 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,359 had the funds to 926 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:45,119 >> or if we had the uh ability to fund 927 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:45,680 that. 928 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,000 >> So, I'll have to ask Kathy for 929 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,599 clarification. 930 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,520 What I believe happens with Pilgrim 931 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,079 Point is they pay throughout a calendar 932 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,240 year for their street lights. At the end 933 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,560 of that year, they take that total. They 934 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680 provide us proof of payment and the 935 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,200 formula that the town council has 936 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,720 approved of previously. We use that to 937 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,760 provide a reimbursement after they have 938 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,200 proven that they've paid all of their 939 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,480 private street lights. Is that correct, 940 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,680 Kathy? You 941 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,109 >> put it right. 942 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,320 They don't provide payment. They tell us 943 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,960 they have so many lights and they ask 944 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,520 for reimbursement. The letter they sent, 945 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,960 it's all they send. They don't send a 946 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,680 copy of it. 947 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,560 >> Okay. Thank you. 948 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,119 >> I thought Kathy, they used to years ago. 949 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,880 They may not anymore, but 950 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,240 >> hadn't in a while. 951 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,000 >> Okay. But but they they pay their bill 952 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,760 for a calendar year 953 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,200 >> and then at the close of that calendar 954 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,560 year, at the start of the new calendar 955 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,320 year, they submit the letter to us 956 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,119 saying, "Hey, this is what we paid last 957 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,640 year. This is the agreed upon amount 958 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,599 that the town has reimbured previously. 959 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:59,760 >> We pay them for the number of lots. I 960 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,440 don't know how many lights they have. I 961 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,680 don't know how many likes they have per 962 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,680 lot. We pay them based on six lots per 963 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440 light and we pay the standard rate. 964 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,880 So I don't know, 965 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,359 >> okay, 966 00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:15,440 >> what type of light they have. 967 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,079 >> I don't know if they're paying $50 a 968 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:23,119 light. We pay $26 per light for six lots 969 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,119 for 12 months. And that's the 970 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,640 calculation and that's what we send 971 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,839 them. I believe that they pay more than 972 00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,000 that to Dominion. 973 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,400 >> Yes, I think so. I think you're right. I 974 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400 I've seen that somewhere. Or maybe it 975 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,079 was the other neighborhood that had 976 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,599 private roads. Maybe that's what I'm 977 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,760 thinking of. They have shown us the 978 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,520 backup. Yes. 979 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,160 >> So, [snorts] I'm thinking, Gavin, maybe 980 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,200 we're confusing these two. Is do we hold 981 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,079 this up since we've done it since 2009 982 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:53,440 while we're getting all the other 983 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,040 straightened out so we can do the other 984 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,839 neighborhoods because this is not a back 985 00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,760 payment here. 986 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,680 >> I have no objection to moving forward 987 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,359 with Pilgrim Point. Okay. 988 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:04,640 >> Although we haven't advanced to that 989 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,631 agenda item to the best of my knowledge, 990 00:38:06,631 --> 00:38:09,280 [snorts] I would say I have no objection 991 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,960 to that. I just would like to make a 992 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,839 point here that we did not we have to 993 00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:15,760 the to your knowledge, Kathy, and sorry 994 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,119 to put you on the spot, we haven't gone 995 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,440 out and evaluated if their street lights 996 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,079 are HPS instead of LED, right? We just 997 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,440 they've made a request for 998 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,920 >> We pay them the the minimum the standard 999 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,640 rate. 1000 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,280 >> Okay. I do think they were evaluated 1001 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,599 years ago and they were 1002 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,440 >> their roads are not we don't own their 1003 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,440 roads. So, it's private property. We 1004 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,200 don't own any of their roads and that's 1005 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,440 one reason we do it this way is because 1006 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,359 they're a private subdivision. The roads 1007 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,599 are private. We don't own it. I don't 1008 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,960 know if somebody went out there and 1009 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,640 evaluated the lights or not. I [snorts] 1010 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,800 didn't evaluate the lights. 1011 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,651 I mean that's all I can tell you. 1012 00:39:01,651 --> 00:39:02,240 [snorts] 1013 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,280 >> So I guess I was think saying g that the 1014 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,160 back pay or the retropay or whatever 1015 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,079 that would be discussed at a later time 1016 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,280 not with this one right here. 1017 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,800 >> Yeah. I mean I don't miss out at all. 1018 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,560 >> Okay. Okay. I was just making sure we 1019 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,599 were clear on that. Yes. 1020 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,359 Mayor, we've made a motion in a second 1021 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:23,119 to put this on the agenda, but um 1022 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:24,880 la last point of discussion I'd like to 1023 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,280 make is that could we possibly reach out 1024 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,720 to them and ask them for a copy of their 1025 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,240 bill so we can see what they actually 1026 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,119 spent on uh for this particular 1027 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,000 neighborhood that we are considering at 1028 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,480 our next council meeting. 1029 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,440 >> Yes, we can do that. 1030 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,960 >> Thank you. 1031 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,640 >> Any other discussion? And if not, I'm 1032 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,160 going 1033 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,400 ask for the all those in favor of 1034 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,280 putting the Pilgrim Point reimbursement 1035 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,119 for street lights on the agenda, raise 1036 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,440 your right hand. 1037 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,349 And it is unanimous. 1038 00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,480 Item number four, utilities director 1039 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,720 David Wyman, discussion of proposed 1040 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,560 cross connection control program. 1041 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,240 Hopefully it will go one. 1042 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,349 Um, 1043 00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:14,640 » good evening, Madame Mayor and Council. 1044 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,599 Um, cross connection control program 1045 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,520 helps protect the town's public drinking 1046 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,920 water system by preventing contaminants 1047 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,359 from entering the water supply through 1048 00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:26,000 backflow. Adoption of the program is 1049 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 necessary to comply with federal and 1050 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,240 state drinking water regulations, South 1051 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,480 Carolina Department of Environmental 1052 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,760 Services 1053 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,680 >> requirements and applicable plumbing 1054 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000 codes. The proposed cross connection 1055 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,920 control program included in the agenda 1056 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,400 packet establishes the town's 1057 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,000 requirements and procedures for 1058 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,880 protecting the public water system. And 1059 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,920 I am requesting review and approval to 1060 00:40:49,920 --> 00:41:04,390 place on the September 8th agenda. 1061 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,319 » I'll make a motion. I should say does 1062 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:08,400 anybody make a motion? Gavin makes the 1063 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560 motion. 1064 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,000 >> I'll second. 1065 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,079 >> Councilman Michael seconds it. 1066 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:22,470 So to clarify, let's see. I see your 1067 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,560 in here about 6 months. 1068 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,400 They can get their own person though and 1069 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,000 just give you proof, right? 1070 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,520 >> They can. And then if their irrigation 1071 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,520 is not going through or coming from the 1072 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,400 town water, do they have to have one? 1073 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,520 >> No. As long as the their personal 1074 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,079 irrigation system is not connected to 1075 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,359 the house plumbing. 1076 00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:49,760 >> Okay. 1077 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,390 Anybody have any other questions? 1078 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,119 » Well, you got off easy this time. All 1079 00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:58,800 those in favor of putting this on the 1080 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,200 agenda, raise your right hand. 1081 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,319 and it is unanimous. 1082 00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:06,400 Next up, you're up again is proposed 1083 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,560 updates to town ordinance governing the 1084 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,560 cross connection control program. 1085 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,040 All right, [snorts] so in support of the 1086 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920 program, revisions to the town code are 1087 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,400 necessary to ensure the ordinances are 1088 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,240 consistent with the newly adopted 1089 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,480 program and current regulatory 1090 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,200 requirements. The proposed amendments 1091 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,079 remove obsolete language, eliminate 1092 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,240 references to agencies that no longer 1093 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,040 exist, and update procedural 1094 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,280 requirements to align with the revised 1095 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,160 program. The proposed ordinance 1096 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,800 amendments include revisions to section 1097 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,720 50.12 1098 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:48,640 A13 A and B and revisions to section 1099 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,990 15163B 1100 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,270 which is in the agenda packet. 1101 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,760 Um, 1102 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,680 does anyone make a motion to put this on 1103 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,800 the agenda? 1104 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,319 >> So moved. 1105 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:06,240 >> Mayor Pro Tim makes the motion. 1106 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,160 Councilman Smith seconds it. Is there 1107 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,349 any discussion on this? 1108 00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:15,040 Hearing none. All those in favor raise 1109 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,680 your right hand and it will go on the 1110 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,839 agenda. 1111 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:21,280 >> Appreciate the painlessness. 1112 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,160 >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. I'm sorry. I 1113 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,480 have a procedural question um actually 1114 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,480 for attorney David, not related to this 1115 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,400 item. When we did the item number two 1116 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,119 about the straight light ordinance 1117 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,720 update, it was for information. Does 1118 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,359 council need to take a vote for 1119 00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:43,839 information received or 1120 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,599 >> we never have before? No. 1121 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:46,880 >> Taking it as Okay. 1122 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,839 >> Take it as information. 1123 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:52,230 >> Okay. Thank you. [snorts] 1124 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,640 With that, any questions from the public 1125 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,760 regarding items listed on the agenda? 1126 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,200 >> We got one more. 1127 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,480 >> Huh? Did I miss one? 1128 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,440 >> One more. 1129 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,520 >> Kathy's got a counsel one for me. 1130 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,680 >> Oh, I'm sorry. Why did I miss that? 1131 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,319 >> Just kind of 1132 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:10,000 >> Kathy, come on up here and tell us what 1133 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,040 you got. 1134 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,440 >> Um, this is just for your information. 1135 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,800 We got the quote for the rate study. The 1136 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,079 rate study was approved in the budget. 1137 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,280 And this is Bill Zeberts. He's done our 1138 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,040 rate studies in the past. I'm sure y'all 1139 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,119 have all met him. He does a good job. 1140 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,960 He's working with Carter and Schloop 1141 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,960 now. The quote is for $69,000 and it is 1142 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,200 budgeted in 27 budget. And I just want 1143 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,160 to let y'all know that it was done 1144 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,640 and I have 1145 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040 >> Anybody have any questions? 1146 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,840 >> Um, yeah, just give me a second. 1147 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,839 >> [laughter] 1148 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:49,760 >> Yeah, that u I guess it's 1149 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,599 forformational, so it's not anything we 1150 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:55,280 vote on. Um I'd just be curious to know 1151 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,640 what that what that fee was in 2021. 1152 00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,599 Last time we did it, 1153 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,760 >> it was $90,000. 1154 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,680 >> Um that's the one thing that went down 1155 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,000 since 1156 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,829 >> co [laughter] 1157 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:12,550 or we he 1158 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,319 moved closer. I'm not sure. I didn't ask 1159 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,160 him why it went down. I was happy it 1160 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:16,800 went down. 1161 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,319 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1162 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:19,359 >> Don't mention it. 1163 00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:21,440 >> Um 1164 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,000 >> don't bring 1165 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,040 >> All right. Yeah. I mean that it's just 1166 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,240 that's a big deal. So I want I don't I 1167 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,079 don't want to be in a position where he 1168 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,800 walks in here one night and throws all 1169 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,760 this up on the board and we're asked to 1170 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,440 make some kind of decision. I I would 1171 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,800 respectfully request that this gentleman 1172 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,440 do his work and make some kind of 1173 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,560 presentation to us that's forformational 1174 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,720 purposes only and 30 [clears throat] 1175 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,599 days later we'll take up 1176 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,960 >> some type of conversation about it and 1177 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,680 maybe 30 days later we actually take 1178 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,920 action on it. Just don't it's always 1179 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,720 rushed. We only do it every six years 1180 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,760 and it's, you know, it's going to be a a 1181 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,800 harder decision. So, I just respectfully 1182 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,680 asked for that timeline to work out that 1183 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,800 way. 1184 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,640 >> Absolutely. I understand. Kathy, how 1185 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,240 long will it take him? And I apologize 1186 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:19,760 if it's in here. How long will it take 1187 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,079 him to perform his work? 1188 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:23,440 >> It will probably take him several 1189 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,119 months. He's already given us the 1190 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:26,560 information request, [snorts] so I just 1191 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,119 need to sign the contract and start 1192 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,720 getting the information together for 1193 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,640 him. So we should probably I mean I 1194 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,119 think he said 3 to four months but 1195 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,040 >> but that's good to know that as well as 1196 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,640 in conjunction to the request because um 1197 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,240 the study I assume will propose rates 1198 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,560 starting with FY28 1199 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,079 the the next budget year and we'll want 1200 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,240 to make sure that we time it in line 1201 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,040 with that. 1202 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,560 >> Right. 1203 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,480 >> Thank you. 1204 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,497 >> Okay. 1205 00:46:58,497 --> 00:46:59,359 [snorts] 1206 00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:01,119 Now, any questions from the public 1207 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,720 regarding the items listed on the 1208 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,520 agenda? 1209 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,359 Questions from the news media, which we 1210 00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:09,520 don't have 1211 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,270 from council, 1212 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,309 from staff, 1213 00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:20,240 mayor. Story time in the park is 1214 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,200 tomorrow, August 18th, at 10:30 a.m. We 1215 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,240 have a fun late morning plan for 1216 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,880 families with story time, a phone party, 1217 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,119 and a special visit from Chick-fil-A 1218 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,680 cow. We'd love to see families from 1219 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,440 across our community come out and join 1220 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,119 us for a morning of stories, smiles, and 1221 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:40,800 fun. If you haven't been, you need to 1222 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,280 come join us. It's a lot of fun. A 1223 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,520 reminder that the market at Ice House 1224 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,520 takes place every Saturday morning. stop 1225 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,760 by to shop local vendors offering fresh 1226 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,160 produce, flowers, handmade goods, and 1227 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,720 more. There will be another vision plan 1228 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,359 public input meeting on August the 25th 1229 00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:00,400 at 5:30 at town hall. We invite everyone 1230 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,880 to attend and share your input. If you 1231 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,880 cannot attend, you can still participate 1232 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,680 by completing our vision plan survey, 1233 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,839 which will remain open through the end 1234 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:11,920 of August. The survey is available on 1235 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,560 our social media pages, website, and 1236 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,200 other town communication channels. Your 1237 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,359 input helps shape the future of our 1238 00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:21,520 community. And with closing, that 1239 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,760 concludes our business for tonight's 1240 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,680 work session. We thank you for watching. 1241 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,960 And without objection, we're adjourned.