Good evening. >> Good evening.
» Good to see a house full sometime. Welcome to the Liberty County Board of
Commissioners first Tuesday meeting. Yes, for your information, we also meet
on third Thursday at 5:00. And of course, all of our meetings are live
stream and certainly invite the public to either watch us live stream or to
come sit in and just kind of get a view of what's going on from this side.
There's nothing better than being close to it so you have a better understanding
of how county works. I spoke with the group on earlier it was Monday
um leadership group and um in fact the feedback from them was they they were
not aware at all of our processes. People think you can just jump and do
things you can't do. They when it's in government and they learn to the
government doesn't move fast. It takes time to get things done but it does
move. It does move like a model T does move. So good to have you all here. Mr.
Wilson, has the media been profit advertised?
» Yes, sir. >> All right. Uh Bishop Paige, will you
please come? Mr. Kennel Page, man [snorts] Christian Center,
[clears throat] will you please come and lead us on the invocation? We will stand
please for the invocation and the pledge.
[snorts] Let us pray. Most holy and righteous
God, we come to you today. Thank you for this day. We thank you for the county
commissioners and all the assistants to the board. We pray for the their
families. We ask you for the wisdom and guidance as they conduct this meeting.
Give them a clear mind and sound judgment on the community issues. We
pray that the commissioners act as good shepherds who protect and care for the
residents with equality. We ask for peaceful communities and support for
their families of all our public servants. We even God pray for our
students as they begin this school year. It's in Jesus name we do pray and give
you praise. Amen. >> Amen.
Pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. >> I held it down by myself. Don't worry.
» Thank you, Mr. Paige. Good to have you, sir. Thank you for being committed to
doing that for us. And thank you for the prayers to cover us and of course our
school children who started back today. I went to one of the J ones and it's
it's interesting, but we pray for them all. All right. Uh,
commissioners, let's see. I do know that Commissioner
Gillard said he may be on the way. I hadn't heard from Commissioner Wal.
Sometime he calls him, I haven't heard from him. Okay. We're still praying to
for him for his recovery. Uh July 20 26 meeting minutes need to be approved by
you commissioners. >> I'll move Mr. Chair.
» Second. >> Motion second. We approve the minutes
for Let me get the base right. July 7th. >> That's right. We only had one meeting.
That's Did y'all miss it? The one meeting. We didn't have a meeting last
night. >> No, we did not. [laughter]
» I missed y'all. >> A motion and a second to approve the
July 7th minute. Any further discussion? There being none. All in favor, show of
hands, please. All right, those minutes are approved. Thank you, commissioners.
A proclamation for Dr. Mary W. Murray. She's in the house. Good to see you.
Who's on? Normally, he reads it, but somebody generally comes to give us a
little little lead into it. Is that you? Uh, Dr. White, are you the you the
leading man?
» Good afternoon, um, commissioners and those that are present. We
[clears throat] are here to honor um Dr. Mary W. Mary uh for 44 years of active
educational services to our students um on Fort Stewart and beyond. Uh she has
been a blessing not only to the student body at Fort Stewart, but she's also
been a blessing to this community because one thing about it, those
students that are over on Fort Stewart, when they graduate out of middle school,
they're coming over to our uh community, either Bradwell or they're coming over
to Liberty County High School. So, it is an honor that she has just recently
retired >> from 44 years and we just wanted to
honor her [applause] as we
That that's a double four. >> Yeah, double four as we prepare to
really honor her in a celebration on this coming Saturday um her retirement
ceremony. So that's why we are here on this afternoon to pro to have a
proclamation from the board of commissioners in order to be able to u
present that to her on Saturday. >> All right, stay right there. Mr. Mos,
Dr. Murray, will you please come stand next to Mr. White?
and
» come on.
» Thank you. Appreciate that. >> Come on.
» These kind of things only happen once in a lifetime sometimes.
» Just a little bit. >> All right.
» Proclamation. A proclamation honor Dr. Mary W. Murray for extraordinary
contributions to education, leadership, and youth empowerment. Whereas Dr. Mary
W. Murray has devoted her professional life to advancing education, developing
future leaders, and empowering students through teaching, mentorship,
scholarship, and service. And whereas Dr. Murray faithfully served as the
official academic dean of the National Collegiate Music Conference
headquartered in Charlotte, North Carolina, providing academic leadership
and guidance to more than 1,000 high school college students nationwide each
year, inspiring academic excellence and personal achievement. Whereas Dr. Murray
has demonstrated exceptional leadership in higher education, serving as a junk
dean at Jacksonville Theological Seminary from 1998 through 2008, where
she authored and developed the course effective communication, which continues
to prepare students with the communication skills essential for
leadership and professional success. And whereas Dr. Murray has further
distinguished herself as a proctor for Liberty University and adjunct professor
for Union Institute University and an accounting instructor at Savannah
Technical College, sharing her knowledge and expertise with students pursuing
high higher education and career advancement. And whereas Dr. Murray has
further uh distinguished career education spans more than four decades
including 33 37 years as a teacher with department of defense education activity
schools four years in public school system and three years as director of
child development services in Mahan Germany positively impacting thousands
of students families and educators around the world and whereas in
recognition of her exceptional leadership professionalism and
unwavering commitment to academic excellence Dr. Murray was honored as the
2013 2014 teacher of the year at Diamond Elementary School, Fort Stewart, by the
Department of Defense Schools. And now therefore, be it proclaimed that the
Liberty County Board of Commissioners hereby recognize and honor Dr. Mary W.
Murray for her extraordinary lifetime of service to education, her unwavering
commitment to youth development, her leadership in higher education, and her
tireless efforts to proclaim scholastic opportunities and empower young women to
achieve their academic dreams. Be it further resolved that the Liberty County
Board of Commissioners extend a sincerest gratitude and appreciation to
Dr. Mary W. Murray for her remarkable contributions to the citizens of Liberty
County, the state of Georgia and communities throughout the nation and
wish our continued health success and many more years of impactful service and
witness thereof. I here to have set my hand and cause the seal of Liberty
County, Georgia to be fixed this fourth day of August in the year 2026. Donald
L. Love Levit chairman. [applause]
» We'll do a photo op, Dr. Murray. But first, you greet us in your own way.
» Y'all making me talk. It's all good. I want to say thank you so much for your
for the opportunity to serve Liberty County. I do consider Liberty County,
Fort Stewart, Liberty County. And I also have taught in Liberty County as well.
And this is my son, Larry. And uh it's been a privilege and it's been an honor
to serve and to educate children and students that are now professionals in
their own right. Some principles, some uh doctors, some are lawyers, some are
nurses, some are police officers. And if one pulled me over, they like that you
Dr. Murray. Yes, that's me. [laughter]
But never mind. Y'all figure out how. [laughter]
But I want to say thank you so much for this opportunity because it's my service
after moving back here from Germany with my husband and I serving in Mannheim,
Germany for six years, still educating and directing other people to do what is
necessary to do to make sure that they're getting the skills that they
need. I want to say thank you to the commissioners for this opportunity.
Thank you. >> Yes,
» commissioners want to say thank you. >> Thank you. I tell everyone, you know,
not only did you all make Liberty County your home, but you've been involved, you
know, giving back. So, we appreciate that. You all make Liberty County a
better place. Now, >> General, you got you got to come around.
» Come around. Come around. >> Yeah. Y'all come on up to the podium.
Thank you so much. >> How you doing, sir?
» Dr. Your pleas right here. >> Yes, sir. Thank you so much. I
appreciate it. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Appreciate it.
» Hold on to that with me and look at those
Can we see everybody guys?
» Everybody good? >> Give her another hand.
» Long life of >> Thank you.
» good health and prosperity. >> Thank you so much.
» Thank you.
» 44 years. >> Amen.
You better look 44.
» All right. Uh, we have an excite exciting project happening in Liberty
County in the in the Wall Thville area that some of us are witnessing the
progress of it. So, uh, the city of Waltharville had a I would say in not
inservice, but a briefing did. So, I said, "Well, it's a county project.
bring them to the camera so we can hear about the progress on Independence
Parkway. So, Mr. Tim McCauley and Roia Der are coming to present on
Independence Parkway phase one.
» I can't follow that. [laughter] How about 30 years?
» Projects going great. uh on schedule, way over budget like everything
government nowadays. Uh >> they'll anticipate completion now
December of 27 instead of October, end of
October. So had a few changes just um building through a swamp is an
experience and job looks great. Um very proud of it. uh
Department of Transportation seems to be they told me it's a poster project for
erosion control and prevention and construction progress. So, as project
manager for Atlas, you know, I take that as an honor. But as long as I keep my
bosses happy, I'm doing good. So, >> project's going great. Um
I brought you a set of the um final marking and signing plans. If it would
be something any of your constituents had any questions for y'all that maybe
you could u have something
» if you' be so kind to send this to that gentleman electronically.
» Ma'am, >> you send send this to that gentleman
electronically. Email it to him so we'll have a a
digital copy. >> I sure can.
» Digital copy. Okay. >> Uh tell me about Griffin Road. I read
that. >> What can I Does anybody have any
questions they'd like to know or can I answer?
» You had to close off Griffin Road. Tell us about that.
» What? >> You had to close off Griffin Road.
» Griffin Road. Okay. That's part of the construction that was in the original
plans where >> culde-sacs on each side which is going
to limit you know no through crossing over the new roadway.
» Um everybody will have to go down to Carter Road to access
» which is far out way but >> we had to utilize Griffin to close
Carter here month and a half ago. We got Carter. Everything's done on it
except final surfacing. Um, curbon gutters in. Um, utilities have been a
challenge, but I part of the business and Trent Long has been a blessing to
our project on what he contributes his knowledge and his team coming out and
helping and providing us information on locations of
plans of where they think that everything's
supposed to be. We've had some issues with utilities, but um overcame them so
far. >> Bridge is uh we should pour our first
deck middle of August. Um so that's
progressing nicely. Um had a lot of changes and a lot of money
spent on foundations changes because building through a
swamp. [clears throat] [snorts]
had no data, you know, for the
great contractor, Reeves Construction.
DOT's gave me a good team to do the inspection work and
one of my young guys lives here in Liberty County. So,
Mr. Long,
when you say you ran into the uh issues with the foundation,
Trent told us it's going to be the longest bridge in Liberty County that
you're building. >> So, my point is, is there something from
this project that we can learn so we don't have the same problem with phase
two? It's going to even even more more wetlands and
The hard part was where they are now. There was really no access. There was no
way to get any kind of boring equipment or any kind of equipment to test before
they got clearing and before they stand
up. We may not have
gallery have bridge quite this long because this bridge is over
swamp and bridge over railroad
» the issue with utilities is just
» location location location >> location
» you know a lot stuff that we put in we put in 20 plus years ago or 30 plus
years ago and you know the the records are not there or the institutional
knowledge of people not knowing where things are or not knowing what sizes
things are. It's really difficult
especially when you don't have record drawings or anything to fall back on and
the guys that installed it all they were tired or gone on
it's a challenge challenge tren [clears throat]
while you standing there u you probably heard this before coming from me
you working with them all 119 all the way throughout, right?
» Yes, sir. >> And you know, have we not see any
additional way of widening 119? >> So, that'll be a different project.
[clears throat] >> Okay.
» Okay. >> What we've been doing is consistently
requesting >> we have
» DOT
actually we've been requesting every [laughter]
has some passing lanes on especially crossed
and you really can't get around anybody if somebody
» because actually they will get out there and run past a school bus that's stopped
and that's making it real dangerous. Um, Chief Hagen told me they're going to
install cameras on the school buses >> so it will take your picture if you
» Okay. So, December of 27. >> Okay.
» One other question for him. Chairman, explain Tibet road to me. When you come
off of Dun Levy, when you go into in front of Bakerton Church, when you get
up there, how is that going >> coming off Dun Levy? Um, you'll still be
able to go across Tibbit in front of Bington Church
and then continue. >> So, there will be a stop sign there.
» Yeah.
There's a portion of 119 that's going to be totally removed past the housing
development.
Everything coming up is going to come down the new roadway to Tibet road and
have to make a left or a right. Now to get to Riceboro off of Dun Levy, you'll
have to go through the fourway and then make a left to
I think some of those final marking.
[clears throat]
Let's see it all.
Okay, >> I take you up on that. Any other
questions for these gentlemen? Uh that's project is very special to us. It's our
first bypass. >> U and of course with the traffic that we
have now going through our community. We looking for anything to help to relieve
that because that's just a part of it. We got phase one is what you all doing.
We got to work toward getting phase two done so it's a complete uh bypass for
some of the traffic going through here.
» All right. All right. >> Good time
to come out.
» Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you, gentlemen.
» All right. >> Some of you, Mr. Murray.
Good evening, board of commissioners. Good evening, everyone. Larry Murray
here, youth coordinator for uh Liberty County. Um under the leadership of Mr.
Joseph Mosley for seven years. I've been doing this for eight years now under
leadership of Mr. Jo Joseph Mosley for seven years and Miss Lisha Hunter for
year one. I mean, this her year, this her first year, so we've been working
well together. She's been pushing me as well, too. So, to take this thing to
another level. And so, um really quick, I just want to thank y'all for
acknowledging my mom giving her proclamation. We I didn't realize that
we were going to be in the same building today. She We were at breakfast today
talking about it, but I didn't realize we were going to be here together. So,
[laughter] we walked up here today. So, I thought
it was pretty cool. So, shout out to my mom. 44 years of education.
» Be on your best behavior. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [laughter] Oh, yeah.
I'm always on my best behavior. She had no issues at me. She never had any
issues at me. >> But yeah, she's the reason why I'm even
doing these these things today. [clears throat] So, I um I thank her for
the push and I just thank uh the community for backing it up. All right.
So, I'm here today to present some certificates for our summer youth
employment program uh from this year. And we just want to thank everybody that
participated uh this year and helping out and taking an intern because that
mean a lot. They were they were able to grow. They enjoy themselves. Um and
they're looking to come back next year. All of them want to come back, but I
know that means we got to try to figure out some some way to, you know, um make
it happen. All right. So, first we got tax commissioners office right here. Um
tax commissioners, y'all here today? We want to present you with the
certificate. Y'all come on. Y'all y'all take the certificate.
We have Alexis and voters registration. They're here. They're here as well, too.
» Thank y'all again. Thank y'all so much.
» EMA here.
» Mr. Mr. Murray, let them all stand. Let >> all we'll take a we'll come down after
y'all everybody get to me. I'll just make a There you go.
» Look at the camera. >> Uh assessor's office.
» Assessor's not here. it.
» Oh yeah, he's ready. Look at him. Look at him. [laughter]
» Look at him. He ready today. >> I was wondering why he had on that tie.
[laughter]
» I love it. Keep Liberty. Beautiful. >> Oh, yeah.
» Um, recreation department. I think I about to say I saw him. Come on.
» Finance department.
» No. >> You want to stand next to your sister?
[laughter]
» Chamber of Commerce. >> Probably at some other meeting office.
communications. Y'all, this just shows that we have a lot of support here,
y'all. They're not here, but it's okay. DA office, district attorney,
» diversity help. No, she's not here. >> Highville housing authority.
» No, extensions office. Poor
» child support services. >> We had a lot of help this year. City of
Clemson,
» city of Midway, [clears throat]
City of Walkville. >> Yay.
» In the house. >> All right. Had to.
» They all enjoy themselves. >> They they winding down dying to turn
that. [laughter]
» Oh yeah. Oh yeah. >> She said now she said that that's the
best intern that she's ever had. So that was that was amazing to hear. So
» you put it [laughter] all. All right. So that's all the That's
all the recognitions for um our mentor for for our summer employment program.
So I guess we're going to take a picture.
» Let's come down commissioners and join
» this apicious group.
Everybody pull one of these like to the side. Hold
[applause]
the back for you. [laughter]
» [laughter]
» You want me to start off with you?
» We thank all them for making an investment in our young people.
Look for the fruit thereof. >> Barely.
» You service update, Miss Hunter. And >> yes, sir.
» Yeah, there he is.
» Commissioners, um we would like to do our um annual youth services update for
Liberty um County Youth Commission and the summer um youth enrichment
employment program. And I just want to say as my first year um working with the
program, I think it has been a huge success. One thing that um we need to
mention about the summer employment program, we had more mentors than we had
students this year. >> Wow.
» And so that is a win. Yeah. >> And so we're excited about more
participation. We had um we could not even place the number of students that
some of the mentors wanted. Some some some asked for as many as four. And so
we were able to do three for some, but numerous. And and so if you were able to
attend the um graduation, you saw that they did real work. They put in real
work this summer. [clears throat] And so I just wanted to again thank everyone
for their support. Thank everyone for their participation. And we look forward
to kicking off a brand new year. And I turn the presentation over to Mr.
Murray. and I just wanted to acknowledge him for all the hard work that he has
been putting in and um efforts made to take the program to the next level.
» Thank you, Mr. Murray. [applause]
» All right, so I'm going to be brief um summer employment program. We go ahead.
» Okay, I got
» All right, so our summer employment program program overview. All right. So,
our mission is to provide summer employment opportunities for local youth
ages 14 to 18. All right. So, our goals include skill development, workforce
experience, community engagement, and the program runs annually each summer
since 2016. All right. Partner with multiple county departments. So, like
again, we thank y'all. We appreciate y'all for supporting us this year.
All right. So, our 2024 season, so we were able to come up with some data um
that we can um present to you all from 2024 to 2026. All right. So, 24 we
launched and expanded partnerships with county departments and serve 23 uh
students and participants across 12 work sites. All right. So that's when that's
when we started off I mean that's back in 2024 we introduced structured
workshops on workplace etiquette and professional development. And in 2025 we
grew enrollment 20 by 27 participants. We added smart goals and envisioning
workshops team building activities and enhanced facilitator training. So we
invited more facilitators to come and um help us out when they come in on Mondays
for their training. And we strengthen community engagement through guest
speakers. So we bring in guest speakers such as 4 and different people of
finance to come teach different things like that to help them grow. And then
jump into 2026. Uh this year right here we we were able to serve 29 youth and we
had new initiatives. So we included leadership cohorts, project based
learning and expanding partnerships with local business and businesses and
nonprofits. So, we were able to have more support like Miss Hunter said, we
were to have more um support this year and well, we had more mentors than
students this year. So, that that was amazing. I thought that was pretty
pretty cool. All right, so here here's the data right here. Um we have
applications have grown steadily. So, everybody's hearing about it. And when
we started off in 20 well, not when we started off, but in 2024, uh we were at
we grew by we grew by 23 applications. So, we had 3 applications
that by 23 um
let me make sure I say that right. Yeah, we had 35 in 2024 to 74. Yeah. So we
grew to 74 applications >> um in 2026. So from 2024 to 2026 we went
from 35 to 74. There we go. >> And and and that shows that everybody I
mean youth need something to do. You know they they they need training. They
they wanted they actually in the interview process they wanted to get a
job. They get out the house, you know what I mean? Some of them they said
their parents made them, but I mean, but they got something from it. They really
did. I mean, they came in here and they was excited about each thing that we
have for them each day. All right. So, interns by age. All
right. So, age 15 is is the largest at 26%. And then while ages 14 and 17 are
equal represented at 23% each, age 16 accounts for 20% and age 18 is the
smallest group at 8%. All right? So, that's reflecting diverse participation.
all eligible ages. So like again like we said from 14 to 17. So
I believe yeah we went from 14 to 18. So we even had we had 18 we had two 18 year
olds that participated in the program as well too. So they were able to come in.
Matter of fact we had a guy that um he participated for five years with us. So
yeah. So he he wanted to come each year. So um he even though he had other jobs
he was still coming in here getting that training from us as well too. So we
still deem this as very important to him.
Now interns by gender. Now female interns represent 65 program
participants while males intern make up 35%. So this highlights strong female
participation and that reflects the program's inclusive outreach across
Liberty County. Right. So some key program insights. So
we had a steady increase like like we mentioned before. We had a steady
increase in applicant interest from 2024 to 2026. We had a consistent hiring
aligned with program capacity. Um balanced age distribution ensures wide
youth engagement, strong female represent representation um um
reflecting inclusive outreach and then growing community support for youth
development. So these are key program insights right here for our summer
employment program. And then now we're going to jump into our Liberty County
Youth Commission. All right. So, this is our impact and growth report right here
from 2024 to 2026.
All right. So, with our Liberty County Youth Commission in 2024, we had 12
particip 12 participants. So, that was eight, we had eight young ladies and
four young men and that grew as you can see by the [clears throat] chart right
here. So, in 2025, we had we went up by four participants.
So, we had 16 participants, 14 young ladies that grew. They they just started
coming in, you know, the word started getting out. We started doing a little
bit more outreach and we have 14 young ladies and two young men. And then in
2026, we grew a little bit more as you guys can see right here. In 2025, we we
grew by 33% and then in 2026 we had 17 participants, 15 young ladies and then
two young men. So we're trying to get the young men up in here. You know,
we're trying to get them trying to get them enrolled in here. And then so this
shows that um participation grew by 41% since 2024. All right. So that shows
that we retention and growing engagement reflecting a strong foundation and
expanded impact across county. All right, so our demographic break
break down by grade level. So in 2024 we had two ninth graders, four
[clears throat] um 10th graders, uh three three juniors and three seniors.
So we had a total of 12 participants in in 2024. In 2025, we
didn't have any nth graders, but we had six 10th graders, five 11th graders, and
five seniors. And so we had 16 participants and then in 2026 we didn't
have any more nth graders again like I said and then five five 10th graders and
five five juniors and seven seniors. All right. So this report right here shows
that juniors and seniors represent 71% of 2026 youth commission. So
highlighting strong upper classman participation in leadership. So we our
upper classman they were taking charge the whole way. You know they were
excited about coming in and they were coming in consistently. I mean I think
it was because of food. So, so we have food, we provided food from East here to
the board of commissioners. Um, and I believe that food piece right there,
that's >> feed.
Yeah, they they need the food, >> food and community.
» So, the key takeaway right here, our youth commission is engaging students
across multiple grade levels with steady growth in strong senior participation,
driving leadership and impact. All right, so community partnerships and
local impact. So in 2024 through 2026, we were able to organize blanket uh
drives and jacket drives for community members experiencing home homelessness
and serve as active volunteers during the annual walk for the homeless events
in both 2024 2025 with another chance another chance outreach ministries. Um
the CEO is right here obviously Urban White. So we were able to coordinate
that with him and um do those drives for the homeless. And then in 20 2024 2026,
our youth commissioners were able to um partner with the life side empowerment
uh to uh serve as academic mentors, assisting youth with homework and
educational support. And in 2024 to 2026, they volunteered on
site to prepare serve prepare and serve hot meals to local families for the mana
house. So they've been very active and this this is just a portion of our what
they did, but they did a lot more than this. All
right. So, civic engagement is state level advocacy. All right. So, we we
take annual trips to the to the state capital. Um in 2024 and in 2025, we were
able to collaborate and join with the city of High School Youth Commission and
collaborate, you know, collaborating networking with the Fton County Youth
Commission, Youth Commission. Shout out to uh Commissioner Fraser for setting
that up for us. We were able to, you know, get them engaged and, you know,
get them networking with different youth. So, I I think that's very
important. All right. And in 2026, we continue regional partnership with Joint
Capital Vist alongside alongside Fton County Youth Commission. All right. So,
the youth, they look forward to the state capital trip every year. We we we
take the charter bus. We go up here. Like I said again, I mean, we travel in
luxury. They enjoy the experience. They even talked about spending the night,
but we like we get there. We get there. All right. So, we're empowering you
right here. Direct engagement with state leaders and legislative processes.
Thank you. All right. So, we want to thank you for your support. Seriously,
we want to thank you for your support. Um, board of commissioners for allowing
us to be able to have these programs right here with our summer employment
program and our Liberty County Youth Commission. I believe we're going to
grow it each year. I mean, you see that the steady the steady increase every
single year. So, thank y'all again.
[applause] I
» I would like us, Miss Hunter, to to investigate this this whole male versus
female thing. Is it the same with the city of Heinesville and Riceboro? Let's
look at that. >> Let's look at that.
» All the populations had >> and then secondly, I was thinking maybe
could is there some opportunity for synergy with Liberty County working with
Riceboro working with Hinesville, the three groups working
» doing some kind of >> Yes, sir. Yeah. Um just so you know we
have discussed that with the two of them and they're open to [clears throat] that
in terms of us um we said the first thing we do we have a meeting regroup
and see what our opportunities are and then um the other thing is even with um
Chattam County um we have a um long established youth commission right there
in Chattam County and when you ask the youth what they desire what they want
they will tell you be prepared and so that's one thing they said is that we
would like to see what other youth commissions are doing so they're looking
for that engagement also And so the um [clears throat] one thing about the trip
to the capitol, it wasn't just a visit. We want everyone to know that they
toured the capitol, they engaged with legislators, and they went over to Fton
um youth commission and they had a debate. They had to prepare and they
experienced a debate on certain issues that was set up with them. So it was
work put into it. So um but u I would be remiss not recognizing the entire team
that helped all of this flow. And so we Mr. Larry Murvy who is the youth
services coordinator but then in terms of the applications and helping with the
calendar institutional knowledge we have Miss Laura W she would please stand with
HR.
We have Miss Jessica who is on the team and doing work. Stand up.
And I want to say the backbone that holds it all together. the students, the
meals, the paperwork telling us what we supposed to do and when we supposed to
do it as Miss Monica Ratcliff
[applause]
commissioners, thank you for the support because we talk about infrastructure and
you know your people are your greatest asset but when you rest in youth that is
also development and your infrastructure in the future. Thank you.
» Thank you all. [applause]
I didn't know A few of the kids were
kept on by their um respective agencies for employment at
heard. >> Also, you're a validictorian and
» validatoran both. There we go. >> You commission
at Liberty both of shuts now.
So the deadline is August 12th. Right now we have a couple applications in but
I do have the ones that participated in the previous years. I had them engaged
already. So they're already they had got the applications in. I totally get in.
So we already have about a hub of like 12 already that's ready to come in. And
then I even got an email yesterday about a parent want to get their child in. So
I mean they're hearing about it. They want to get in. They want to be a part.
» Let's work on that young men thing. I'm kind of concerned about that. Yeah. We
need to get more at least 50/50. You know
» that's a goal. We'll go. >> Mr. Chair, sir, I I don't know if y'all
were taking questions or not, but >> you ready, Mr. Murray? How you doing,
sir? >> Uh, first and foremost, I I guess Miss
Hunter, you know, she she she said the protocol, you know, uh not just you, but
the entire team. I I appreciate y'all uh taking on this this heavy task and and
delicate task, which is our our our youth. Uh yeah, man. Y'all have been
doing an awesome job, you know, uh, and this program has been growing ever since
we have, you know, implemented. And I guess that was just a small snippet of
the, uh, statistics, you know, that was just from 2024, but it just shows the
the engagement between us as from the county, and I appreciate my fellow
commissioners supporting this. uh y'all know how dear this is to my heart, but
also with with the community once they really found out about the program and
and and the different uh parts, you know, not just the youth commission, but
the summer internship program. And like you said, some of them have been able to
stay on with the county from being initiated in this particular program.
So, it's not like they are, especially now, definitely now, it's not like
they're they're putting the youth in the corner and just, you know, telling them
to just do some busy work. They really are being engaged. And just like you
said, uh Justin, our our Yeah, he graduated and still stayed on to be a
part of this program this year, wi-i, which is is phenomenal. Um but then also
I I guess the question that I have uh whenever you're looking at these numbers
from the applicants versus hired and I know the chairman asked that question as
well about doing a more of a collaboration you know to make sure that
because at from 2024 whenever you know we had 35 applicants and we hired 23. Uh
but in 2025, if y'all noticed, the increase in applicants was much greater.
It was 62 applicants, but we were only able to hire 27. And then of course this
year we had even more. We had 74 and we hired 29. So I guess the question I have
uh for you all in the future, how how do we how do we narrow that gap? Because of
course, you know, we all have different programs. Uh I I don't know how many I
don't know the statistics with the city of Riceboro about how many applicants
they have with with how many they're hiring and vice versa with the city of
Hansville. >> But I know I think the city of Riceboro
this year they had what 30 if I'm not mistaken. And Hansville had do you
remember the numbers? >> 47.
» They had like 47. Right. So, I I guess I guess what I'm getting at is if if we do
more of a a collaboration to make sure that some of these kids and we we don't
know some of these kids might have applied for here and also, you know, uh
the city of Hansville. We don't we don't know that. But the point is, you know,
giving our youth the opportunity, you know, because and I'm glad this this was
done because, you know, a lot of times we hear all the negative about our youth
in this community, but just to know that we do have have a lot who are stepping
up and and and because of you all and in the [clears throat] team with Liberty
County. So, I appreciate that. But if we can look at like what the chairman said,
you know, what you commission, you know, to try to balance the, you know, the
diversity with that, but more importantly to just make sure that that,
you know, we're able to to hire more kids, especially if we're saying that we
have more mentors who were asking for positions. So, I guess what what do
y'all need from us? Money. >> That's I mean, that's the only way we're
going to be able to hire hire, right? >> That's absolutely right. Because we do
pay the internship. So I I guess if we could look at in the future narrowing
that gap, I guess the only way we could do it is with financial support from
from the county and the county commissioners. So thank you all again
for everything y'all do. >> Thank you, M.
» All right. Financial report. Speaking of money.
» Oh, Larry, I'll see you in the morning. First day.
» First Presbyterian. >> Oh, okay. Let me start tomorrow.
» Uh good evening, Mr. Chairman, commissioners.
» Good evening. >> I'm here this evening to present the May
2026 financial statement. Uh starting with the general fund
through the end of May, we have collected already 100% of our projected
revenue and we have spent approximately 86% of
our total expenditures for the year. We currently have 6.6 months in our
unreserved fund balance compared to a year ago we had right at six months. So
it's a it's an increase from last year. Turning over to the departmental report
for budget to actual. Um we have a a few that are still showing over over budget
through May. um elections has a small variance. Um
however, this this was covered by um the revenues received for our municipal
elections. Um so it it pretty much is a wash. Actually, it's a more revenue than
it is a loss. Um Superior Court, we always pay those um law, library, and
other operating expenses in July um upfront. So that's going to show over
budget every single month until we get through June. Um the road department, we
mentioned previously uh for some equipment repairs
and recreation for um part-time and seasonal employees.
Turn the page to solid waste. Um through the end of May we have approximately
1.1 million of revenues over expenditures.
We have collected 93% of our total revenues for the year and spent right
around 71% of our total expenditures. Um there are currently no departments
showing over budget for solid waste.
I I just have one question about the solid waste. Uh I I know we we reset the
fees and we said it was going to be uh a few years before we
» it balances out. Correct. >> Correct. Yes.
» So, but this is not a year though, is it?
» I mean, we're uh it's we're collecting more for sure, right?
» The increasing the assessments and the the rates that are charged by solid
waste. Um We haven't fully recovered um from our previous you know where the
general fund had to support solid waste >> right so
» years ago >> what what year are we invest years
» we're anticipating >> what year should we turn it around
» right >> I thought she was going to turn it
around >> I don't think fully in this uh rate
study that we've done I don't think we fully get back to zero it just steadily
increases each year so we can pay the general fund back.
» Following up on that question, how do we what's the word?
» How do we compensate for that or how do we
» difficult >> when it come when it comes to
accounting? What do we do? because you're right. It was years of
» Yes. And and we were told then that we probably
» um I really think it's prevalent for a lot of different counties um that have
solid waste collection and >> um are in a similar boat than we are.
» Um if we feel that we can't pay back the general fund then we might just have to
do you know a transfer um just to get rid of the debt if there's no way
possible to repay it. Um even though the solid waste fund intends to and fully
intends to um if it's just not possible then we might have to do a write off of
some it all sir. >> That's what we did years ago.
» So you're looking for like a timeline or when if that happens can can we look in
the crystal ball and say it could probably happen in year five year six
anything like that? >> Um I think we should start looking into
writing a little bit off every year. >> Okay. Okay. Um we we're sitting
currently I think at 3.9 million that they owe back to the general fund.
» That's a lot. >> Um when I first started almost four
years ago, it was right at 3 million. >> Yeah.
» So it's not hugely more um but it's it's not going down for sure.
» And I mean another thing that we can't predict is the repairs to his uh
Clinton's equipment and things that go down that are unanticipated. Um also
increase expenses each year. >> Do you Mr. Chairman, do you is that
where you see the most expenses at is on the equipment or is it the amount of
trash that's being dumped at these convenience centers?
» Um, the largest is salaries, but I think
what is that vendor?
Just like >> Oh, what? You're paying to haul it out
of >> haul it out. We have a contract that
hauls the trash from the transfer station
and that's that's a big expense on a big expense.
» When we did the fee recalculation, did did we allowed
for the increase he's talking about also?
» We did. >> Were we on target or were we
» is it more than what we budgeted for? Well, we never when the solid waste
assessment was done, I don't think there was enough money ever figured into it
» to pay the county back to >> downtown
figured enough in there so we could chip away at it.
» But you wanted to pay back that money. >> Yeah.
» It's going to hurt. >> Yeah. [laughter]
» On the assessment and what we would have to charge people and
» all that good stuff. >> Okay. you know, county run for a long
time without assessments and just trying to fund it through general fund.
» Okay. >> That's how we got where we're at.
» Okay. >> Come out and everything. We try to make
all that work. Trying to chip some of it down, but
while you're standing, sir, how's your equipment?
» Equipment's good. That's why I'm here tonight to replace one. We We're trying
to keep it up, keep everything replaced and keep it going on the sanitation
side. You >> able to keep up with your the mowing?
No, I'll be back next mid month [laughter]
of year. >> Mr. Chairman,
» Mr. Chairman. >> Yes, sir.
» Mr. Mosy. >> Yes, sir.
» Do you care to elaborate on the uh status of the uh Limick
» Limick uh landfill? >> I can I do it on my report? I do have it
in here. >> Okay. All right,
» Frank. I And I'm glad you kind of mentioned that because because what I'm
saying is and I know we did the new assessment,
» but prior to to us having a transfer station, we had a landfill, which
obviously we don't have that anymore. So,
» we still have we still >> Exactly. It's just not active or
whatever you want to say. >> And they tell you you close it and
you're after 30 years they release you. They don't release you,
» right? Yeah. Yeah. But uh I I I guess I'm
But you were saying a couple years ago we were at three and now we're at 3.9.
So So we're going opposite way. >> I I know we looked at even with the fees
with the uh
the you know the big >> the hauling bins.
» Hauling bins. Yeah. The dumpsters. >> Did we increase all that? The problem
with the assessment there for a while is we didn't increase it. There was no
money >> I remember
» to say every year we're going to go up to 3% or 4% or whatever the public
charges us >> that it was never stuck in there. Now
the last time we've done it we made every year it's an increase to try to
keep up.
» So you improve your assessment >> you improve your processes.
» Okay. >> When we they first had the assessment it
wasn't built in there. >> Yeah. You know, we didn't change it, but
for five, six years, whatever commission decided to
» hire Coberson to redo the study. So, that put us five years back behind right
back. So, I thank you. I thank your comment about uh doing the graduate
write off is in order. Another organization I had to do that
same kind of thing for that reason. Otherwise, it's going to keep showing
up, >> right?
» Yep. And I believe that really it goes back to when Miss Mclofflin was here. It
does. >> We We had that.
» It's always been here. >> It's Yeah, it's always been there.
» Good idea to try to pay back. But >> Yep. Yep.
» But in the meantime, let's just make sure that our fees are where they need
to be, you know, so that we don't get behind when it comes to
» when we done the last study, it was put in there for yearly increases.
» Okay. Okay. I remember that. Okay. >> Right. Right. The only thing I was
saying, Mr. here. You know, at the end of the day, that's a enterprise fund.
So, that's supposed to be separate and being able to maintain
» by itself. And if that's not being the case, we
» it's okay for us to re-evaluate and and and see which way we need to go.
» All right. >> I guess that's enough trash talk.
» Thank you, Mr. Wills. >> All right.
Um moving on to the sales tax reports for sales tax 7. Uh in the month of May
we collected 1.2 million. Um we have spent 30.8 million in SPLAS
expenditures. Um of our total 42.8 million that we've
collected. the next report including
» when is it time for the next loss reporting to the public kind of report?
How often is that required to be done here? Just one time a year or
» the one time a year by law state? >> Oh yes sir.
» Have we done it for 2026? >> It's by December 31st.
» Okay. Okay. >> Let's just make sure we announce that
when it done so the public can know they can access that. Okay.
» Yes sir. Once we get a little further in the audit
» and concrete >> numbers. Thank you. Uh the next report
is the T-spos report and this is just being included for um project tracking
purposes and the report subsequent to that is our
T-spos 2 report. Uh we received our first um distribution from the state in
the month of May. Uh it was just shy of 1.1 million and um we're off to a pretty
good start. Uh we will continue to collect this tax
through March of 2032.
The last page of your packet I've included a summary of floss um that the
county has collected and distributed through um through May.
And the county share of collection through May is 2.8 million of the total
4.6 million collected. And that concludes my presentation for
May. Unless you have questions. >> You may want to educate some off members
of the audience about what floss is. >> Floss is um a sales tax that was
approved on the November 2025 referendum um that is strictly to be used to apply
directly to um the general funds operating budget to in lie of property
taxes. So, it has to 100% be applied um to offset property taxes. So, the state
originally um told us we had to collect it for a year before we're able to use
it and distribute it. Um but they recently um have changed the law to
allow allow us to colle to recognize anything we've collected through June um
into our current upcoming millage um and digest calculations. So, it will it will
we'll have five months of of help um this digest and then next year we'll
have the full 12 months. >> Make sure everybody clear on that.
» We look forward to that.
» I think questions everyone in Liberty County are looking forward to it.
» Right. I I just have a quick question to uh Mr. Long. I can't see. Okay.
Oh. Uh, since we're talking about SWAT projects,
he's next on the agenda. >> Yeah, I know. But okay.
» Let him come on and do it all in. >> There you go.
» Thank you, M. Smith. >> All right.
» Yes, sir. Get want to get your question in. There we go. Before you
» uh wonder start.
» So, uh, sales tax is not on any one of my agenda items. So you want to go ahead
and answer that question kind of as a tail end to hers. I'll be
» okay. >> Yeah.
» So ask me the question again. I want to make sure I understand.
» Uh the uh live vote. >> Yes sir. We have a contract executed
with contractor. Um we had anticipated that he was going to be here last month.
» Uh when we were delayed in executing contract with him, he took a couple of
school projects >> finishing those school projects up so
the school could get started. And so I'm hoping in the next couple weeks he
should be there. Okay. >> But we are constantly calling him and in
contact with him to make sure he's getting going.
» All right. [clears throat] Uh and I contract do we have a we have an
end date, right, that he's [snorts] supposed to
» That's right. And I don't remember what the starting date.
» Okay. >> I do have it written down, but I just
don't have stored up here. >> That's fine. I It was just on my mind
when she started talking about >> No, I'm glad you asked. So, um, I'll
make sure that when I'm back up here on the 20th, I we have all that done
together.
» Okay. So, I have two items on the agenda tonight. The first one is deed to
dedication of the roadways in Habsham development. Um, which is roadway
subdivision that built a couple years ago. The warranty periods have expired.
Uh, we've taken them over for maintenance and accepted them. Uh, so
the only thing that we haven't done is accepted a deed to dedication. Um,
packet. Everybody should have a copy of the dedication which describes the
roadways um that gives us this
make sure we have the roadways. We've already accepted them as far as the
final plaque goes and just need your action to go ahead and accept the deed
of dedication.
Commissioner Blunt, this is in your area. You want to take the lead on that,
sir?
» The writer work for H Plantation. Make
» a motion we move forward. >> Motion to second we move forward as
presented. I heard any further discussion. All in favor, show hands,
please. >> I do.
» All right, Mr. Law. Thank you very much. The second item I have on the agenda is
u applying for a grant for water infrastructure.
water infrastructure planning program. I'm going to give you a little bit of
background and make sure that everybody understands what we're looking for and
what we're trying to do. Um, you know, for last several years, we have really
looked hard as a county as to how we're going to provide water and sewer to the
county. Not just our service delivery area that city that Liberty County has
in county, but you know, the other cities and municipalities within the
county. We've had a planning group that we've met for the last couple years
trying to figure out how to do that. Um, we've got some technical ideas of how to
do it. Um, we have the technical expertise around here to try to make it
happen. But one thing we've [clears throat] found is we don't know
the model that it really needs to look like. Are we bunch of individual uh
water and sewer system going head first? Are we a community pulling together
within sort of authority? I use that term lightly.
Where do we fall? And you know, we we've been unable to put our hands on that
process. Um, and we've had several meetings uh to discuss it. We've
actually u gone out and got some proposals from some kind
they're engineering firms but they're more uh planning firms that have
knowledge in this business on how do you get from a bunch of individuals
water sewer systems to providing uh water and sewer to our communities
and to our citizens in the area because you we're
really strapped with water and sewer availability. Um we're really strapped
with the amount of water we can withdraw out of the aquifer. Um we have a lot of
permitting things that are fluid. So the water and sewer planning commission
planning the water and sewer technical committee for the water council.
Sorry I'm struggling to say the right words. Um, what we recommended doing was
hiring a consulting firm that can help us walk through that process, meet with
us and help us decide what's going to be best for us because it's not going to be
just Liberty County deciding. It's going to be the city of Hinesville, city of
Riceber, the city of Walterville, city of Midway, city of Flemington, city of
Gum Branch. We all need to kind of come together on how we're going to handle
water and sewer for our community. So, We have the opportunity with a very
wellqualified firm. Um we also have a new program that JEA has
put out. It's a um called the water infrastructure planning program. It's a
grant up to $250,000 with two or more communities in it. 150
for one community. Uh in this case, we're looking at multiple communities uh
going after it. It is due at the end of this month. Uh, and what we would like
to do is apply for this grant and this county would be the lead on it since
we're kind of the seat, the county seat and we have all the cities with
underneath us. Um, there is a 10% match and we're also applying for maybe some
seed grants. Um, or we're looking at other options to try to fill that gap
with that 10% uh [laughter] that we have to have, which is would be $250,000, not
200 250,000 total, $25,000 match.
[clears throat] Justin, you have to catch me if I say the wrong thing again.
I apologize. >> I'm I'm tracking.
» So, um, we're looking at trying to get funding for all of this. So, but the
county needs to be the lead agency in the application for the project. Um, so
what I need is the county's permission for us to move forward as the lead for
this application to Jifa for the grant funds 250,000.
» Questions for Mr. Long. >> Have one question. You may you may have
mentioned it. Um, this would be a countywide
your technical group and whatever. You're [clears throat] looking
countywide, not just in a certain area. >> Yes, ma'am. We're looking countywide.
» Okay. That's what I >> We're trying to make sure it's a
holistic of how are we going to serve our citizens.
» Okay. As um community leaders,
the time has come in our county for us to work as a collective body when it
comes to water and sewer. We can no longer continue to plan long term to be
individual providers. >> Long terms, it needs to be a a joint
venture countywide. So, it's maybe maybe a slow trip getting there, but if we
never start, we'll get we'll never get there. So, so
um the $25,000 match, I mean, I would think
that we could we could all get together and do that. I believe we could,
» but you need permission to go ahead and and apply for the grant with the
county's lead agent. >> Okay,
» that's what we need. >> Who's we have several of us cities and
counties that are moving 90 miles an hour down the wrong path trying to get
something. >> Yeah.
» For the same good. >> And you're right, that's something that
that the experts do not. We may have ideas, but that's not our pay grade. We
have the technical ability to do the work with engineers that are here, but
we need somebody to kind of help us >> pull it together.
» Okay, >> Mr. What's your pleasure?
» Mr. Chair, again, I'm I'm in support of it, but uh you know, we've had this
conversation about like I said, you know, we have the technical committee
and I think Mr. ODM remember as well >> when we used to meet with the the the
water resource council >> and and and I remember we suspended our
meetings years ago because you know other municipalities were kind of doing
their own thing and again I don't is are we back together? Y'all back y'all are
I'm just not a part of it. It's fine. I just want to make sure that y'all doing
it. >> No policy.
» There's a policy and a technical >> Yeah. Commissioner Frasier, they had to
You're right. Committee had went defunct and was
» I reception. >> Listen, that that's what
» I'm I'm I'm used to not not being on policies committed.
» I'm on it. >> Yes.
» Okay. >> And I would have to serve with the
chairman of it, but I tell you what, I can be term limited.
» Well, originally whenever you you became chair, that was one of the
» hand it off. and you handed it off to me and and I I held the torch until the the
torch went out. >> But
I I guess y'all y'all lit the match back up.
» But but but either way, again, whenever we we discussing water
and I know you didn't want to use that water authority, but you know, that's
what most I know in the state of Georgia, that's that's where a lot of
people are going. And more importantly, they it's more of a regional concept
with that, too. So, >> and there are more models out there
other than just an authority [clears throat] that you know we need
help >> to figure out what fits for us
» because we need to find what fits for us. We don't need to find what fits for
everybody else fit for us. >> And I'll say this and I um some of the
smaller cities that have taken on a lot of debt concerned about what happen if
we all come together as one big do we pay each other's bills or how does that
part happen? So, we got a lot of >> working to get through. I I remember
that was >> difficulties that was one of the
» complexities >> that was one of the issues.
» Yeah. >> With policy.
» Remember this is this issue kind of woke itself back up at the planning retreat
last year. >> Right.
» Right. >> Good. All commission chair take a
request a motion. Do we serve as the lead agent for the
funding? >> I'll make that motion. Chair.
» Is there a second? Commissioner Blunts make the second. Any further discussion?
We look forward to it. All in favor, share your hands, please. Uh, if should
we get the grant? Any idea what the timeline? I know it's probably too early
to ask you that. >> Yes, sir. They won't announce in for a
couple months. >> Okay. September.
» No, it's it's August. Yes, it's it's due at the end of this month, so
» it probably won't be until November, December.
» You think we look good for >> I think so. Yeah, when I look at the
criteria and we're looking at multi cities doing it getting together for it
and we've gone through the quality of based selection for
» so and I think we'll be a step ahead by having some of these task accomplished.
Thank you for your leadership in that sir.
» Thank you
holiday extravaganas presentation.
Samantha Mr. Steven Rachel Smith I see some young folks.
» Y'all gang up on us tonight.
» Hello. >> Hey.
We got support. >> Good evening, ladies [clears throat] and
gentlemen of the Liberty County Board of Commissioners. My name is Samantha. I am
[clears throat] here with the whole team [laughter] that our committee um and
then we also have here our director Raymond Gross and Mr. Ricky Gillard. Um,
so we are looking to host a holiday extravaganza for not just Liberty
County, but also the surrounding counties around us. This will take place
on December 12th from 5 to 9 in the evening at the James Brown soccer
fields. Um, we are just looking to do something big for the community, include
the kids, include sports, include the chorus, just have a whole extravaganza
as we're calling it. Um, the way that we anticipate getting funds for this is
that we're going to be selling booth spots. Now, this is a change on the
handout that you all have. We did lower the price and we do have
options. So, for $25 that will cover a blue spot for nonprofits,
$45 for profit and county and city departments, they are free. We just ask
that they either provide a holiday activity or a holiday style um
what >> activity or a giveaway. Yes. Um we also
are going to look to have sponsors. We have four different tiers um between the
prices of $250 up to $1,000. Um, our sponsors, we have a list of them
already, but we are looking at the big companies here in Liberty County and the
surrounding counties, small businesses, but also anyone that's looking to give
to the community in some way for our holiday extravaganza. We will be
reaching out to you all as well. So, if you do see one of our smiling
faces, please do give us the time. Um, our activities that we look to have are
pictures with Santa, the chorus or chorus performances. We're going to
reach out to two or three different schools to see if they can provide our
chorus to sing at least two or three different songs with holiday themes. Um,
we also are going to have a live DJ and a snow party.
We are going to have an outdoor movie. And then our biggest one that we're
going to have is our fireworks show. We did meet with the fire marshall to get
approval for this, which he said that was okay, but we do still have to submit
our plans for it. Um, we will have food trucks and also a free beverage
concession. Um, the food trucks, we're only looking to have five spots and they
will pay $80 um to be a part of our extravaganza.
» That is all that I have. >> That's a lot.
» That's a lot >> question for this ambitious group.
» [laughter] >> Uh you you think the uh parking is going
to be sufficient? >> Yes, sir.
» Have a good turn up. >> Yes, sir. Although we will have to block
some parking off. We can use some of our grass space. Um there is a map that is
attached on the back here that shows where we will be roping off some area,
but the rest of it is open for the public to park in.
» How about I'm just thinking out loud. parking assistance. You think
everybody's going to behave and park where they need to park or you gonna
have to have some parking marshals kind of people out there?
» We will have security and we are going to reach out to the Heinesville Police
Department to um assist us with that. >> Mr. Giller, you want to add something?
[laughter] >> We will provide at LIT um and then we
can transfer over to the event. >> Okay.
» All right. All right. How are you going to market this?
» So >> marketing plan
» besides for our beautiful committee doing word of mouth marketing, we are
going to push it hopefully through the um through the newspaper as well so
people can see it and on our social media. Um we feel as if all of us do
have some sort of presence on social media to where we can get this out for
free. >> Are you plan to work with the chamber at
all?
» Yes. Yes, we do. Um, Miss Chantel was just telling me we also are going to
work with the radio stations to put this out.
» Okay. And the chamber has people go to look at the chamber's calendar a lot of
time for advance. So, make sure it's on. >> Yes, sir.
» What you need from us to bless it? >> Yes.
» Commissioners, any question before we bless it?
» Obviously, they appreciate y'all uh being innovative.
Look forward to December the 12th. >> The 12th. Yes, sir.
» Firework show will start at 8. >> And it already seems like we Well, we
haven't voted yet, but I'm assuming they support it. But just uh for FYI, they
did run it by the uh rec board as well and it was uh a unanimous support. So,
just let y'all know. >> Good to hear that.
» I'm not sure. We need to vote. Um, is it just
» I think it' be a good idea. >> You think it would be a good idea?
» She entertain a motion to approve the presentation from the aircrd
subcommittee of the committee on holiday extravaganza.
» Move, Mr. Chair. >> Second.
» First annual. [clears throat and laughter]
Any further discussion? All in favor, show hands, please. All right. Thank you
so much. We look forward to it. >> Have a good evening.
» When you come deep, man, you Yeah, [clears throat]
» keep powerful. >> Looks good to you. All you guys being
together looks good. Looks good. >> We need to go to public hearing, Miss
Marty. Chair a motion to go in public hearing for reszoning.
» So move second. >> Phrase your move. All in favor, show
your hand, please. All right. Okay. You make proceed.
» Good evening, commissioners. Chairman, I'm here to present uh two petitions,
one for resoning and one for conditional use. They are number 2026-25
LC and 2026, excuse me,-26
LC. The zoning request was submitted by Zachary Gilstraat to reszone 5.29 acres
from A1 and AR1 to C3, which is highway commercial, for a contractor's yard for
moving, transport, and hauling services. A conditional use request has also been
uh submitted for the contractor's yard. The property is located on Leroy Coper
Highway in unincorporated Liberty County and it is in district 4.
The public notification what was in the paper and posted on the sign
and the vicinity map. So, um, this is not too far from the intersection with
Coastal Highway and it's not too far just north of Fleming Loop.
A little closer. This is the property here. A couple
years ago, this parcel and the one next to it were cleared
the zoning map. So, this parcel right here is also zone C3 and it is a fencing
contractor's yard. Not too long ago, the county reszoned this parcel here to
industrial one for a concrete plant. And so we are then looking to reszone this
to the same as this one as C3. Currently the front part of it is the AR1 and the
back part is A1. The future land use map does show the
front. There's a mixeduse urban corridor, I'm sorry, mixeduse rural
corridor along both sides of Leroy Kofheer Highway and then beyond that is
agricultural forestry as a future land use for this area.
There are no wetlands on the property nor are there any flood zone hazards.
The track that we're talking about, the 5.29 acres is part of a subdivision
along Leroy Kofer Highway. This is the last one. Uh track A in subdivision.
So the narrative submitted with the resoning application is the proposed use
for all 5.29 acres would be to store commercial vehicles, containers, and
equipment for moving, transport, and hauling services. The equipment would
look look like some of the following. So you have a moving van here. You have
another piece of equipment here. Quite honestly, I'm not sure what that is. Um
you have a storage container, some excavation equipment. Um, all the
vehicles on the property would be operable and would have a dumpster on
site for trash collection.
Ran out of slides. Oh, there you go.
Can he drive it or >> I can work off of this. It's just not as
large. >> So, the concept plan, sorry, it won't
fill the whole screen. >> Um, so Leroy Kofheer is right here. They
uh they will pretty much be using the entire limits within some boundaries uh
with buffers around the outside. There is an existing culbert here that they'll
be utilizing and then uh pulling in a gravel road off of that. The front part
will be where a dumpster will be kept for the trash. And in this area will be
parking for the other equipment associated with the business.
This is Kofheer looking up towards I'd say it's about a mile from Coastal
Highway looking north. and closeup of the property that as it
looked uh last month. They have recently I notice I drive by
there every day. They did have some equipment in here doing a little bit of
clearing, but that's how it looks today from the other side of the road.
So, going through the zoning analysis, does this property have reasonable
economic value as currently zoned? Yes, it does. The the proposed use conforms
to the Fort Stewart joint land use study. Um, does a proposed use conform
to the Liberty County comprehensive plan? Yes, it does. The comprehensive
plan identifies a future land use as mixeduse rural quarter and egg forest
forestry in which C3 is a compatible zoning district.
Will there be an adverse effect on the value and usability of nearby
properties? No, there will not. Is the proposed use suitable in view of nearby
uses? Yes, as I pointed out, there is another contractor's yard very close by
and then that future concrete plant um just up the road. Will the zoning
proposal create an undue burden on transportation and on schools,
utilities, or the provision of public safety? This won't be a site really that
um that customers come to. It'll just be employees of the business and G dot will
have to approve the entrance for the site.
Will this allow a short-term gain at the expense of our local long-term goals?
No, it will not. Would this cause a domino effect? Yes, very likely. In
fact, this is probably one of the dominoes that has already been started
by other resonings in the vicinity. Are the unique historical sites which
may be adverse impacted? There are none noted.
Is this parcel of a flood hazard area? No, it is not. Is it spot zoning and
unrelated to the existing pattern of development? No, it is not. and there
are no unique conditions which support approval or denial.
That takes us through our resoning analysis. And now I'm going to move on
to the conditional use criteria for the contractor's yard. You shall not
adversely affect the economic values or physical appearance of the neighborhood
or areas surrounding the site or lot in question. No, it will not have an
adverse effect. The use shall be consistent with the comp plan and with
the purpose intent of the land use district. Yes, as is mentioned in the
zoning reasonzoning analysis, the comp plan identifies this property as
mixeduse rural quarter and uh egg forestry in which the zoning and is uh
comp compatible zoning district and misuse is allowed in that district.
The establishment, maintenance or operation of the use shall not be
detrimental to or endanger the public health, safety or general welfare. No,
it will not be detrimental. This will not create an undue burden on
transportation, schools, utilities or provisions of public safety. This was
also addressed in the zoning analysis. No, it would not create an undue burden.
The design shall minimize adverse physical and environmental effects on
adjacent properties, including adverse visual effects. Buffer zones were
necessary to shield any adverse factors shall be considered.
This um this was one of the main ones that was up for discussion when it was
before the planning commission was the adverse visual effects. And so to
minimize these adverse effects, the property shall have a 20-oot vegetative
buffer and six foot high opaque fence along property lines.
Additional space for parking, landscaping, and adequate measures for
ingress and egress shall be considered if necessary to protect adjacent
structures or lots from any adverse impact. No additional space is needed
for those items. This was before the planning commission
last month. There are two separate motions that are needed. The reasoning
needs to be um action on the resoning needs to be taken first because without
the proper reasonzoning the conditional use becomes moot. So um the planning
commission did recommend approval of resoning petition 2026-25-LC
with standard and special conditions. The special condition is a 20ft
vegetative buffer and 6 foot high bench shall be required along the side and
rear property lines. The planning commission also did
recommend approval of the conditional use 2026-26-LC
with standard and special conditions. And the special condition here is a 20ft
vegetative buffer and six foot high opaque fence shall be required along all
property lines. Now, there's a slight distinction between the special
conditions on the resoning and the conditional use. The feeling was the
logic was that for a reasonzoning, should this use go away or never happen,
it still would be zoned C3 and C3 does allow other uses that might want some
visibility from Leroy Kofheer. So, that's why the reszoning special
condition is that that buffer and fence have to be maintained only along the
sides and rear. However, for the conditional use, they felt this specific
use should be screened from Leroy Cover as well. So that's why the special
condition would be applied only to this conditional use and require that
screening and buffer along all sides.
» Explain that. Okay. [clears throat] >> All right. One says along some of the
property, other one says all around the entire property.
» Yes. The reasoning would be special condition that anything that's on that
property has to be at least re screened on three sides.
» Okay. >> For this particular use, it would have
to be screened on all sides. >> With this particular use?
» Yes. For this particular, it goes with the conditional use, not with any use of
the property. Just >> they were to sell it off and everything.
It go three sides. >> Is the petitioner here?
» Yes, sir. >> Would that person please come and give
us a two-minute overview of your project, please, sir? Hello, sir.
» My name's Zachary Gilstra. I'm the owner of College Hunks, hauling junk and
moving. Now, that truck you saw is actually what we call a junk truck.
Holds about 440 cubic feet of residential trash. We're kind of the
middleman in between what something like Atlantic Waste won't pick up and what
someone won't want to take to the actual dump. A little background
[clears throat] about myself. I was with UPS for about 15 years, retired from
there, and uh there was an owner for College Hunks in Savannah that wasn't
really taking care of the business. I went ahead and purchased that a couple
years ago. U we don't consider ourselves just a moving company. Uh, honks
actually stands for honest, uniform, nice, knowledgeable service. Our core
values include always branding, building leaders, creating fun, safe, winning
teams, and to listen, fulfill, and delight our communities. Uh, we don't
just talk that talk. Um, we're on the board [clears throat] for safe shelter
in Savannah. We use our assets for a good. Uh, we're going to continue to
operate our full operation in Chattam County. Right. Right now, we can't
afford to do much with this property aside from turn into a contractor's yard
and use it to stage some of our assets. Um eventually we would seek to move into
Liberty County. Our long-term plan is to uh service the whole entire coastline.
Um and eventually, you know, at a separate date, probably put a metal
structure on the building. Um but uh I'm happy to answer any of questions.
» What about um [clears throat] storage of combustible
material? >> You know, we will not have anything
combustible, anything has anything that can contribute, especially when it would
seep down into, you know, water systems or, you know, soil and stuff like that.
We're we're not permitted and don't plan to to store or or or have anything
hazmat on site. >> What about tires?
» Tires? No tires, sir. >> So, in the event Okay. Tell me about
your water supply out there. >> Uh we don't have a plan for water supply
right now. It's just going to be a contractor's yard. It's probably going
to be between, you know, five and 10 pieces of equipment. I wouldn't picture
this as, you know, five acres of 100 vehicles parked out there. And don't
picture this as an area we're going to go abandon equipment where it's going to
kind of get ugly. um you know to say the least. Um eventually um I was very in
particular when when Trent was speaking kind of hearing about the you know plan
for the uh county to eventually have a joint you know water commission you know
um kind of really lending an ear toward toward that eventually we probably
install um a sewer system there um that's you know probably three to five
years down the line but right now it's just going to be to park assets um if we
have to go um have a move team that's going to go start from that point have
an established move captain park his personal vehicle there and take that
vehicle south to Brunswick or somewhere further down the coast instead of Hilton
Head. That's going to be more of a drop off point now that eventually would seek
to probably, you know, build something on there, make our permanent home in
Liberty County. >> And you going to stand by your word?
» Yes, sir. >> Okay.
» So, you're going to have portlets? >> I'm sorry.
» You're going to have portlets out there for the
» Absolutely. Absolutely. Got have somewhere to go to the bathroom, but
right now we don't have we don't have the money to put in put in, you know, a
full sewer system, a water system. Um so this time probably three to five years
just just a contractor yard very basic operation and then full plans would come
later um you know once the business has enough money to you know do
» how did you identify Liberty County? I'll bring you in.
» Yeah, go ahead. How'd you identify Liberty County?
» Um I was at Angie's Diner uh with a a pastor
» and we were kind of sitting down and and going back and forth between what's you
know what what's going to help grow the business, what's going to help build
leaders and looking at really um the best geographical point. Um we were um
far away from 95 or too close to 95 is going to be expensive for the uh company
and uh Leroy Coffer Highway just proved to be a nice pivotal point uh with a
cost-effective solution. So um it really is going to help us serve between the
Florida Georgia line and Hilthead which is our territory and it's a perfect
middle ground to grow um into Liberty County and also grow north and grow
south. So geography, >> where's your Savannah location?
» Uh it is in Garden City. It is 810 Talmage Avenue. So right by Pooler. How
long have you been there? >> We've been in that warehouse now for two
months and we've been in Pooler for before that for a year and a half.
» You expanded it rapidly. >> We are. We are. I've every every dollar
that we made, I've invested into new trucks, new equipment. Um and it's it's
been a great experience. >> Wish luck.
» What's your employment size? What's your employment size?
» Uh right now we're at 16 uh employees. Um eventually when we we come here, when
we expanded to coastal Georgia, we'd probably seek to hire again. And this is
early at least 10 to 15 people when we move into the county.
» So when you collect at this site in Liberty County on 196
and it gets piled up, where would you take it then?
» Uh and this we're not going to have any kind of trash.
» Okay. I just want to make sure >> just the equipment.
» Yeah. This is [clears throat] just just for truck storage right now. Um we don't
tend to keep just just to expand on on that. Even in Garden City, we don't tend
to keep lots of trash on on site. stuff comes back. We back two trucks up. We
separate metal. We separate plastics. We separate usable furniture. Store that
stuff for free for different people in the community.
» All right. >> How many people have seen college
hauling our trucks, green and orange trucks? Anyone seen that?
» I don't remember. >> Probably haven't. I don't remember.
» Yeah. But it was good to have you indicate though bring you that because
we look for people to come to be comm community partners. So I kind of heard
that from you. So we look forward to that too.
» Thank you. joining that chamber, all those kind of things. Yeah. And you
retired. You said you retired. >> Uh retired from UPS. Also retired.
Full-time police officer. Central.
» Where's your driver license? What's your ID? [laughter]
» Christian Blood. >> I got a couple of questions. Um if you
were to look at your concept plan and all it uh you got to show a gravel road
coming in area for parking your dumpster and stuff and all uh in this 5.29 acres.
We just call it 5 acres. Um you're I know that area very well. So uh when you
put in this gravel road, you're going to create water that's going to have to go
somewhere. I don't see no design here for any retention ponds or anything like
that to control your water. And where do you think your water's going to go?
» Uh, that gravel road shouldn't be shouldn't raise be raised too much. That
property is already above all the other properties around it. So, right now, I
think water already trickles off that property to my understanding.
» Yeah. Well, it I mean, according to a person that had some opposition against
you, it uh they coming whoever cut the timber off of it many years ago before
you owned it. you know, uh, he's complaining about water come on his
property and there's some neighbors that say a few things, but I mean, when you
go in and like you just said, the place is a little bit higher than existing
properties. So, when you start putting in gravel, that dirt's not going to soak
up nothing. So, you're still going to have water that's going to run
somewhere. >> Go ahead. I'm sorry.
» It uh So, I mean, I don't It's going to go to somebody's property. Uh, I know
they gonna have a a vegetated buffer around it. you're going to have a
privacy fence or something around it. [clears throat] Um, I'm just curious,
maybe need to think about this in the future. You got to do something with
this water. You probably have to put in a retention pond or something and
probably car it at least until everything is basically flat and all it
I mean, you talk a little bit higher, but it's basically flat. It uh that
water's got to go somewhere. I'm going to recommend it you need to take it out
to state highway to the ditches where it can get out of there and not put it on
someone else. >> That will probably come in the phase
when we could attempt to, you know, submit construction plans and stuff like
that. There'll have to be a retention pond. Right now, we're not seeking to
raise that at all. The gravel road is is something that so when we when we pull
in there, vehicles don't don't get stuck, right? Um, but we don't seek to
raise we're not seeking to bring bring dirt in and fill it up like if it was a
marsh or was lower. So, we're really not seeking to raise that property at all
right now. >> So, in that parking area, any of that
going to be gravel or that's just going to be dirt?
» That's just going to be dirt right now. Again, we're not going to put, you know,
you know, 50 to 100 vehicles out there. This is probably going to be between 10
10 to 20 vehicles. >> You've been paying attention to that. Um
how wet it gets at times and everything, how soft that ground gets.
» It's hard to see all the way in the back. Um as someone alluded earlier,
we've even had contractors come and uh you know, bit out clearing that actual
property. And some of them wanted to drive in back just to see how, you know,
how the property fluctuates. Um I've been told from the previous owner that
that property when it does flood is is is above the rest. Um the plans that
I've seen show that is is above rest and it does not flood. But I can't say that
with complete confidence that >> let's change our words a little bit and
instead of flood let's it's going to pond water you know at uh at some given
point. Um you're say [clears throat] you're not going to haul in dirt, but I
mean I know the area well enough that it's if you don't do anything other than
just go in and grub it and clear it and kind of level it up. It uh there's going
to be some pond and water in that area right there.
» Again, I can't I can't speak to specifics on that right now because I
just I haven't looked that far into it. Right now, we're in the phase of just
purchasing it, reszoning it. Um, I'm happy to bring that back to the
commission though after I do further further research on that, sir.
» Okay. Just wanted to bring them concerns out. I'm on the zone analysis. I see
where you're going to have to follow G dot approval and all for the entrance
and stuff. Um, whatever they recommend with probably XL and DL lanes or the
width of the driveway, whatever they going to require. Um that little
driveway that's there right now is probably just a residential driveway.
» Correct. >> Yeah.
» Um so we got everything laid out pretty good. I'm still concerned about this
water. I >> Mr. Philumm
come to the microphone please. Sir had to
» go through your agency with your chair first.
» That's going to be a charge. Chairman [laughter]
» you [snorts] here commissioner? >> Uh commissioners. Thank you. Did that
come up for discussion at your meeting? >> Question on drainage.
» Yes, sir. >> That is an engineering question,
» right? >> We're in a zoning question.
» Right. >> You can't do your engineering till you
do your zoning. >> Understand?
» So, I hear Commissioner Blunt's concerns. That was concerns we had at
the planning commission. and they're to be addressed at the time when
engineering when he goes and gets his G dot approval. Then something simple as
cutting a tail ditch across the property to drain into the state right away would
solve the issue until he begins construction. And at that time when he
puts buildings there he would have to have a full set and meet the storm water
requirements. >> Sure.
» That was uh that's the best I can tell you commissioner. That's the best we
need to hear. >> All right.
» Anything else, Commissioner Bluff? >> I'm good. I'm good. It uh we here for
the zone and I got it. [laughter] >> What it does? So, it helps you going
forward that you'll know >> what might be required.
» I may have overexplained our future plans, but I don't mind doing that. You
know, some people come up and they want to just that that's our future plan as
to grow in Liberty County. And at that time, we when we go through, you know,
building and development, we we will we will seek those plans in the appropriate
manner. require two separate motions.
» Two separate I'm sorry. >> And and and just real real quick. First
of all, I I appreciate your uh transparency, but again, you know, uh
just like Miss ODM said, I think we're here for the zoning. I understand, you
know, the farther out issues, but u between Got and hopefully our inspection
department, they they'll make sure that that is all taken care of. my my
question or my I guess not necessarily concerned with this particular project
but in the future uh you know we we've talked you know from here and also from
a from the countywide perspective of about our our our gateway to our county.
Uh, and only thing I'm saying is what what type of identity are we looking for
during Leroy Coff for Highway coming into this community? I mean, are we
looking for uh future economic commercial type growth or are we going
to continue to uh have different projects like this
going on Lero Coffer? Because I mean that that's what she was just saying
about the domino effect. You know, we we we've started approving particular
projects like and I'm entrepreneur. I get it where get it where you fit in.
But what I'm saying is our our future when we're talking about our gateways
coming into Liberty County, how do we want them to look? and and I understand
the buffers, but again, I just look at Leroy Coffer, you
know, being from here, I remember how how it used to look and now, you know,
there's still a lot of trees out there, but also that's a blank c canvas that we
as commission and also the planning commission, we have a true opportunity
to create something. And I think Mr. Uh, Commissioner Gillard said this a long
time ago. One day you're not going to be able to tell the difference in the
Liberty County line, the Bryan County line, and Chattam County line. So, only
thing I'm saying is, are we looking at for now? Are we looking at, you know, 30
or 40 years from now, which hopefully I'm still here, but you know, and not
just me, you know, our kids, what what identity are we looking? And I just want
my fellow commissioners to to think about that whenever we doing all these
resonings because [clears throat] one thing about about resoning is you
know you know we come up with these comprehensive plans and and we say this
is where we going with this particular area but then you know we come for
resone and I' I've been there. I've I've had to get properties res.
But also, I just want us to be aware and and keep a few things in in perspective.
You know, again, our identity. What are we looking for? You know, I know the
chairman have talked about our gateways and gateways and gateways. And it's more
than just a sign at the Liberty County line. I mean, we could put a a a a $10
million sign out there, make it look like Vegas, but if if you soon as you
walk in, it looks like old Vegas instead of New Vegas is is a problem. So, I'm
I'm just saying as as as a whole and we just need to make sure that these
particular properties is the highest best use and also we need to be aware of
of that question about the domino effect. So, what do we decide?
you know, dominoes lay down and they keep going. Long as you got another
domino there, it's gonna keep going. >> That's the only thing
» I think it's healthy that I bring up kind of the future plans here. You know,
we're we're a small business that's that that's growing. We've already doubled in
revenue um you know, the past couple years. So, we're my particular project
is going well. It might be a contractor's yard for three to five
years. I'd like you to think of the long-term vision of once that's paved
over, there's a building there, there's maybe another space for a tenant to move
in and grow their small business next to mine. So that's that's the kind that's
the kind of vision I want, you know, I want the board to see
» and I and I appreciate LCPC for the buffer
» requirements. Um you got I'm not sure how much Phil you all talked about but
you're on one of my major gateways, sir. And we're just trying to ensure that our
gateway is attractive people coming in out of
» county. All right, that's all. All right, ch
come out of a No one No one signed up to Okay. to come out of public hearing.
» Oh, okay. >> All right. Motion to come out.
» Move. >> Second.
» Second. >> All in favor?
» Motion to go back in regular session? >> Move, Mr. Chair. Second.
» Second. Monica, you got all that? [laughter]
» Okay. Hold on, sir. Sir, we hadn't voted yet. Oh, he can sit down and watch the
vote. [laughter]
» Oh, yes, sir. If you could. Two two separate condition um decisions,
actions. The first one reszoning and the second one conditional use, please.
» Mr. Blunt, I yield. >> I make a motion. We accept LCP's
recommendation for approval for the resoning position.
» Stand. >> Motion a second. Miss Monica, you got
that. Any further discussion? I think we had plenty. All in favor? Show of hands,
please. opposition. All right. Approve. Now the conditional use for the special
conditions standard and special conditions. Chair.
» Yes sir. >> I make a motion we approve the special
conditions used for LCPC recommendation and all.
» Motion to second the same too. Miss Monica. All right. Any further
discussion? All in favor show hands please. All right.
Now, sir, >> thank you. I look forward to seeing you
in a few years for some more. >> Yeah, we can't help but we
[clears throat] can't help but watch you. We go in and out that way.
[laughter] >> Thank you.
» Thank you, sir. All right.
Resoning. Where am I?
Oh, I'm down there. Okay. Knock the light out.
Removal of condition use requests 2026 23 LC.
» Oh, >> I'm sorry. It was tabled last time and
you need to remove [clears throat] >> please.
» I'll move, Mr. Chair. >> Be second.
Thank you. Um
uh I just need a little bit of a refresher in a minute.
» I'm going to give you that refresher on this application.
» Okay. Yes. Okay. >> Yes, [snorts] sir. So, this was
presented last month. You help >> I'm sorry. So, so now that we're Okay.
All in favor of the >> Oh, I'm sorry.
» Of coming out of being tabled. Show of hands.
» All right. All right. Now, all right. >> The gun.
» Quite all right. >> Okay. So this was you held the public
for this at your last meeting. In that time we did uh meet with Commissioner
Blunt and Commissioner Gillard with the applicant. Um and the result of that
meeting is that they have submitted revised narrative and a concept plan
that I would like to go over with you. So just I'll refresh you on some of
these slides. So this is a conditional use 2026-23LC.
It is for uh submitted by Christian Edens and Lindseay Goff for an outdoor
event center at 956 Freriedman Grove Road in Plem.
The property I think it's about a mile or so from the Coastal Highway Limick
intersection here. It's on the on the north side of the road.
Closeup view. As you may recall, they were originally planning on having some
parking in the field here and the outdoor events would be happening over
here. There is a house in the middle here. Then like I said, they have res
revised that narrative. It is zoned A1 and AR1.
Then is residential low density. So if I may, I'll read the revised
narrative. The applicant is requesting approval for a low impact outdoor event
venue to be operated on an existing privately owned parcel on 956 Freedman
Road. It's approximately 20 acres zoned AR and AR1. The property is intended to
be used as a smallcale outdoor event venue primarily for weddings, private
gatherings, photo shoots, and other special events. Most events will be
intimate gatherings with a maximum guest capacity of up to 40 guests and all
events will place outdoors utilizing the property's natural landscape. Um
provision to this narrative in particular I'd like to point out is that
originally they had said 150 guests. So they have narrowed [clears throat] the
scope of [snorts] the size of the gatherings that they will allow. The
events will be scheduled by reservation only and will occur on a limited basis
rather than daily commercial operations. We are proposing utilizing the existing
asphalt driveway for access and one handicap accessible parking spot. Up to
10 additional parking spaces would be located in a centralized area on the
property. Applicant is requesting a variance or condition to allow the event
parking to remain unpaid. Proposed use is expected to generate
only moderate event-based noise typical of private outdoor gatherings. Events
would be limited to designated hours with music ending at a reasonable
evening cutoff in compliance with local ordinances. The intent is to provide a
well-managed environment and minimize disruption to neighboring properties.
All vendors providing services on the property must be properly licensed and
insured. The venue will not sell or serve alcohol. However, clients may
bring their own alcohol for private events.
Portable restroom facilities will be provided for events as needed based on
the anticipated attendance and length of [snorts] the event. All events will
include proper waste management and postevent cleanup. The client will be
responsible for preser um prov reserving sorry portable restrooms for an approved
uh vendor ensuring there they are delivered and moved in a timely manner.
The rental contract will require compliance with this policy.
Property layout allows for clear emergency vehicle access at all times.
proposed use is designated to be a low impact and compat and [clears throat]
compatible with the surrounding rural agricultural lowdensity residential
[snorts] community. The property will offer a beautiful and convenient venue
for family celebrations, small gatherings, weddings, photography
sessions, and other special occasions. Part [snorts] of our discussions, we
talked about some possible special conditions. Um, they've provided
kind of how we The conclusions we came to might be
reasonable special conditions. Um, the condition conditional use permit would
be specific to the current property owners, Lindsey Goff and Christian
Edens, and will not automatically transfer with a change in ownership.
This would mean that someone else couldn't decide they want a conditional
use event as outdoor event as a conditional use and then expand it
beyond what they have provided in their narrative and what their intent is. Um,
and another special condition was proposed parking plan will utilize the
existing asphalt driveway for primary access and the parking will be
centralized on the property and kept unpaid in order to minimize services,
[snorts and clears throat] reduce site disturbance and maintain
compatibility with the surrounding and residential uses.
The revised concept plan, [snorts] as you may recall, they were planning on
having parking here. That's that field I mentioned. And here's the house. So,
they've revised it to have the parking spaces up here. Uh, the UDO does require
one space for every uh four guests. So, that's 10 parking spaces if they have up
to 40 guests. And then the vent would be back here in this area in the Oak Grove.
This driveway is the existing driveway, asphalt driveway to the house. And these
other accesses here are more like the residential dirt culvers [snorts]
on um that just allow I call field access to the property.
These Oakrove this was a field they were going
to use for parking but won't
li the house on the property would not be
part of the event space and we went through the conditional use. Um, we did
not modify these slides for the revised narrative because this is what we
presented at the planning commission and didn't feel it's appropriate to present
something different to you in that respect. Would you like me to go over
these or should I just pass them by? You've heard it all before.
» I think you can pass this by. >> Okay.
Um, so this was before the planning commission last month as you know where
they did recommend disapproval based on the narrative presented with their
application which was the 150 people and parking in the field. Um, so this was
their original recommendation. It did not go back before the planning
commission. So you do not have an updated recommendation from them at this
point. >> Commissioner Blunt.
» Good evening. >> Hello.
» How you doing? >> Um, I know you met with uh some of the
planning staff at LCPC, myself and Commissioner Gillard. Uh, went over
this. Uh everything seems like it's in order for you. One thing I wanted to say
for people watching that might not quite understand that were uh previously not
for this. Um I'm in favor of it after talking to you.
Uh because if we did a lot of paving and different things, we're going to start
pushing water around. Uh you got a beautiful piece of property. Um we
looked at the conditional uses. I mean against what you want to do and things.
Um everything seems in order to you that
we've agreed on. >> Okay. M you want to add anything?
» No. Um good evening. We we did uh Commissioner Blunt and I did meet and um
you know our goal was to meet and hear hear you out and you know hopefully to
try to help you if if we could and um I think Jeff was there, Marty and some of
the other staff and you know we um think you scaled down from the the previous um
uh [clears throat] requests and um you know I I do know um from the meeting
that we had and the scale down version I think we agree that it uh that it
wouldn't create a issue. Now I do know that u over time you know as people find
out about it and if you get everything up and running and hope it don't turn
into Saturday night fever and hope it don't um be a version of martyr where
there will be issues and people are complaining about parking and noise and
this and that and the other. If it is, we will you don't have to revisit it
based on our ordinances and everything, but um I think it was two weeks ago we
met. Um and I don't know if um I know the event is not approved. I mean, the
site is not approved, but um I hadn't heard nothing, you know, that happened
out there since then. Never heard of anything. So, I just felt like if you
just continue to do what you're doing and stick to the guidelines that we
talked about at the planning um office a couple of weeks ago, I think everything
will be fine. >> So, the people that come are going to
have to sign a contract with you for for their event.
» Yeah, it would be like renting the property. So, we'd have like a rental
» and and it says that you will the your ship portal will be taken care of
by the renters. How you how you doing water out there?
» Wouldn't need any for for the restrooms if they're bringing in portable ones.
» Yeah, but you you could um like the portlet,
» they come with water. >> Yeah, you get water with them.
» Not you know, not regular running water, but a container with
» where they could dispense water. >> Just make that note. As your popularity
grows, you may need a water resource well. Okay.
» It grows over 40. probably have to come back before us. Um,
one thing I've seen that I like, um, in the event that you ever change hands
with it, uh, all this that we're doing right now is nylon board looks like, you
know, it's not transferable.
» I think that was your recommendation. I mean, you know,
» happy to agree to that. >> It's a beautiful place.
» I got one question, J. So, if somebody comes out there to use it, they will not
have to get a permit uh but get a okay from you.
» Correct. Um if they're going to use any vendor, they would need to use a license
and insured u vendor. The vendors would they would only be permitted vendors
that would be allowed. >> What was that now?
» They would only be permitted licensed insured vendors that would be allowed
via the contract, the rental contract they sign with us. So, it's not just
like they can have anybody come in and
Oh, some of our um we're going to move on. Concern has been some other people
like you have acquired spaces for events and then they rent it out to people and
it's not what they thought was going to happen there. It's kind of gotten out of
hand. So that's why we have some concerns. Uh I don't see yours to be
that kind of issue, but I'm just sharing with you some of the sentiment that
you're hearing up here from the commissioners.
» I guess Mr. chairman, if like let's say if um everything is approved and um and
this weekend she wanted to have a wedding, I don't think that you would
need a a permit. If um next week someone wanted to take pictures out there, which
is, you know, the beautiful um oak trees and everything, I don't think you would
need a permit. just um if it kind of got out of hand, you know, and um we I don't
think that we going to require you to get permits for every time somebody, you
know, wants to go out there and do something. I mean, go out there, take
pictures. I don't think you would need a permit for that.
» Would that business license? >> Yeah.
» Yeah. You have to get a business license. But but the events that she had
have there she wouldn't have to be >> fall under her
» be kind of be responsible as the >> okay
» as the owner. >> All right. You ready to move forward?
» Got one more concern that you touched on a little bit with uh with the porter
toilets and stuff. um you're going to be left you you sign a contract with some
someone when they want to do this outdoor event and all and what I'm
concerned about right there is uh someone says well it's just a small
event there only going to be 15 of us we don't need that but um the way I read
this they got to have it >> yeah that would be in the contract if if
there's a certain amount of people they would be required to
» Yeah. So I just want to make sure we got to have all that in place. So um
You ready? Motion. Yes, sir. Ready? >> Yeah. All right. It uh I make a motion
we accept this and all to move forward with the the special condition that's in
place as we talked about here. >> So move, Mr. Chair.
» Second. Motion to second that we approve the recommendation. I knew where you
» late. >> I knew you headed. Any further
discussion? All in favor? Show of hands, please. Thank the committee for vetting
that for us. We appreciate it. >> Of course. We appreciate LCPC. Thank
you, ma'am. Look forward to it. We >> Good luck. Beautiful property. Beautiful
property. Uh Moou,
Miss Lara
again. >> Hello.
Uh Mr. Mosley asked me to come before you tonight to talk a little bit more
about compensation and pay studies as we look ahead and hope to do a another paid
study with Dr. Condre and associates. Uh so I'm going to just
go through a few slides very quickly.
So compensation, it's one of the largest investments we
make as a county government. It's easily 90% of our budget is paying for people.
Um it directly impacts recruitment, retention, morale, and fiscal
responsibility.
You know, we're all competing for talent. So, we're competing across the
region, especially for things like public safety workers in fire, 911, EMS,
law enforcement, and specialized positions like IT and
finance. And modern employees expect to be paid
fairly and have a transparent uh pay that reflects local market rates, cost
of living, and their skills, and experience level. And of course, we want
to have public trust. So when we have a clear, visible pay plan, then taxpayers
can see how we are paying for salaries and that helps our integrity as well.
I brought some data with me too like Mr. Murray. Um these are some snapshots from
our uh Palosity platform showing you some of the demographics of our current
workforce. This is showing our full-time people. Um the number in the center of
the ring chart represents our current headcount of active employees which we
sit at 514 today for fiscal year 27. Our authorized
strength is 560. So we've got about 46 vacancies. Mainly
those are in public safety. Uh we also have some in public works
along with some administrative positions like appraisers or deputy clerks.
» You wanted 50/50. We got 5050. >> I saw that
» for gender. We're pretty equally split, male and female in our workforce. And
then I thought it was interesting to look at the breakdown of the different
generations um that we employ, most of which are millennials. It looks
like [clears throat]
other employers, Liberty County must contend with staff turnover. So this
slide shows you over the last 12 months, we have had 127
uh full-time separations. um more than threequarters of those were
resignations, so people voluntarily leaving or retiring.
This is similar to the 12-month period prior to the [clears throat and snorts]
past 12 months. Um and just keep in mind, according to Sherm, which is the
Society for HR Management, replacing an employee typically costs 30 to 200% of
their annual salary depending on the role seniority and complexity. So, I
think about some of our departments where when we bring somebody in, it
could take upwards of a year to get them fully trained to serve the public,
whether that's a firefighter or a field appraiser.
This slide shows, you know, the average um length of service across the
organization. So, that is trending slightly downward,
which I think is typical of what the market is becoming. Um about 20% of our
employees have been here at least 10 years which is great.
Our average tenure right now is 6.8 down from 7.1 a year ago. So that's how many
years uh we've had this is in line with the public sector but just something to
keep an eye on as longtimers retire. They take with them a lot of
institutional knowledge and succession is already succession planning is
already a top priority for us.
So why do we want to conduct a compensation study? So Liberty County
has always relied on formal compensation studies to update its pay structure. And
so there's many reasons for doing so such as being competitive in the market,
maintaining internal equity, which means paying employees fairly and consistently
for similar roles, responsibilities, and experience levels. And very importantly,
creating a defensible pay structure [snorts]
using methodology that can stand up in court.
So signs it's time for a pay study. When you several of these indicators at once,
it's likely time to reassess your pay structure. So, some of these do apply to
us right now. Um, our recruitment challenges, um, our current pay study,
the age of that, um, competitors raising salaries or benefits. So, as soon as
another sheriff's office, not to pick on you, chief, uh, wants to offer a special
benefit, it's got the sher sheriff looking, oh, do we need to do that, too?
because they have such a challenge recruiting uh deputies.
Significant organizational [clears throat] growth. Of course, we
know that is true. So, this over the last 25 years is a is
our timeline of the various pay studies we have implemented starting in 2001.
That was when I was first hired in the EMA office [laughter]
and I came in right after one was conducted. as a matter of fact.
[clears throat] Then we did one in 2006 or then so every four to five years
we've done one except you can see that gap that was the great recession and so
we were not able to as a county fund any pay studies during that time. Um and
then we did one in 2019. We did some mini studies when we took on uh fire and
EMS and also when you asked us to look at the living wage to ensure that every
employee made at least $15 an hour. And then the most recent works uh pay
study was put into place July 2023 [clears throat] and it starts a year in
advance of implementation when they do the study
and we use outside an outside firm. We've used UG Carl Vincson Institute of
Government um of which Dr. Condre is an alumni
and um as you can see all the reasons here why it's so advantageous to use
that from um providing impartial evidence-based recommendations.
Um we don't want people thinking that uh you know if I made the decision that I'm
biased, right? So we have independent consultant doing that. They
have the specialized knowledge to do compensation studies. They've got labor
market insights and advanced uh methodology to develop these pay uh
structures. They're very efficient. They can
accomplish these pay studies with their team because of their years of
experience in a very short uh time frame and not
while they don't disrupt our HR flow.
And then of course defensibility, which I think is so important because we've
got a legally sound plan that withstands the scrutiny from employees to elected
officials to auditors to taxpayers
versus if we tried to do it ourselves. Um there's some risks to doing so. Um a
comprehensive study can take hundreds of hours, which if I'm being honest, and
Jessica's here in the audience, um we're already managing a lot of things.
Recruiting, onboarding, benefits, employee relations, payroll
coordination, [snorts] compliance, performance management, all
the things we're doing on a daily basis. I don't know where we would find the
time to do that. or it would just take more than a year
to do. [snorts]
Also, uh internal bias or perceived favoritism. So, when you have people in
house doing it, they may be perceived as having favoritism towards some
departments or roles where when an external consultant can not have these
pressures.
Um I'm I have a lot of HR expertise, but compensation studies is not one of them.
So, I'm going going to admit that. Uh, in an independent third party study
often carries carries greater credibility because like I said, they're
more impartial.
So, the project roadmap um generally outlined here in eight
steps. The first is planning, but Condrian Associates are very familiar
with us after working with us for so many years that they're already familiar
with [clears throat] our structure, our current plan, our policies, our budget.
Um, they would meet with leadership and HR to look at our current goals and
priorities. Step two would be analyzing the job.
What are our current job descriptions? What's changed? They talk to department
heads. Then they would collect data. So they would collect salary data from a
wide range of sources. Some that we wouldn't have access to uh easily
because that's their business. Other local governments publish surveys,
state associations, databases, etc.
We'd also want to do market benchmarking.
So how do we compare in this region similar uh of other people with similar
population budget size the services so generally
we'd look at other city and county governments and then who are we
competing with in the region like Fort Stewart um
um people like that. We'd also look at
certain internal jobs and compare them with industry standards [snorts] such as
public safety, public works, administrative type positions, finance,
IT. So they would uh those would be job benchmarks.
Step five, this is very key part of their analysis is maintaining the
internal equity of our plan pay plan. because it makes sure that everybody is
judged on the same criteria as far as their jobs. They break it down into 10
components and they use the factor evaluation system. So that's a
quantitative point factor [clears throat] method used to grade and
classify positions. It assigns numerical points to 10 specific components and
then those components are weighted. So something like the knowledge required by
the position would count more than the physical demands
and then the sum of all those points it pinpoint where it should go on the pay
plan. So it helps ensure everything is rated fairly and consistently throughout
all the departments. And if you're interested, the 10
components are the required knowledge and skills, supervisory controls,
guidelines, complexity, scope and effect of their work, personal contacts,
purpose of contacts, physical demands, work environment, and supervisory
responsibility. [clears throat]
» You said contacts contacts. Who do they come in contact
with in the in the course of their day?
» Step six is developing the actual pay structure. So given all that previous
work, they would come up with your salary grades, pay ranges, min, max,
etc. Then they would come back to you in step seven with a cost analysis like
here's here are several different scenarios. If you remember with the last
case study, they said, "Okay, do you want to be at uh
» market?" >> At market.
» Yeah. At market, slightly ahead of market
uh where do you want to be with that? Um do you want to do it in phases? You
know, they could come up with multiple scenarios and costs for you as the board
to decide. >> Mr. Chair, Mr. Mosley, one of y'all are
fellow commissioners. Uh do y'all remember what we decided last time? I
didn't we decide to be a little bit aggressive
» at market. >> At market
» aggressive >> aggressive
I tell you a duck could pull a truck. >> Yeah. So and and that's I guess that's
where I'm getting at because we did this what three years ago, right?
» 2023, right? 2022. So four years ago we started the plan
» and implemented it. >> Right. Right.
» Right. So, we're doing it now again. And basically, in a nutshell, he's going to
come back and tell us where we are with with market. And I'm I'm not trying to
cut you off. I just had had a few questions and my list was getting a
little long. Uh, another thing is whenever you're talking about the uh the
data collection portion, is he comparing us and and I heard you you say to other
government entities. Is it are you comparing us with another community like
ours? Do you know
» when >> because what I'm saying is you can't
compare us with Fulton County or >> correct. And so at the kickoff of the
plan, we would sit down with them with leadership, Mr. Mosley, Miss Hunter,
myself, Samantha, and we would outline what are our goals and priorities. And
we would also tell them who we want. They would recommend who to use as
comparison. And then we can also say, well, we don't want them, but we
definitely want them >> in the mix when we're collecting the
data. >> Right. Well, I I I guess to to make sure
that that the the the the data that's being collected is the most efficient
data, it has to be a mirror of of of me personally, I mean, for 35,000, I think
we should look at it from where we are and and whenever we talk about workforce
and future workforce, is this the same identity that we're we're looking for?
Because of course, you know, Mr. share. Here in Liberty County, we're being
strongly focusing right now on education and literacy. So, what I'm saying is are
we are are we looking to expand the workforce to a that type of
level? You picking up what I'm I'm putting down? You understand?
No, you lost >> that type of
» Okay, cool. Let me break it down. All right. [clears throat]
When are we looking at data collection? Whenever we looking at workforce, we're
looking at who we what workforce we have now, but uh also in the future
workforce, are we looking at a different education level? Are we looking at a a
younger level? What what what type of workforce are we trying to attract? I
think if if we implement that, that'll make what we're doing a little bit more,
you know, mainstream.
follow me now. No, still okay. If if I'm if I'm trying to The other day we were
talking about uh healthc care in in Georgia and how and and I know you serve
on a lot of the health boards so you understand and and Mr. Chair, you worked
in the health field for a long time. The issue we have in Georgia when we dealing
with health care sometimes is the providers because a doctor here makes a
100,000. I'm just throwing out a number but then you go over the line and make
150. Where are you going to go? You're going to go over the line. So what I'm
saying is when are we looking at a data collection? What are we comparing and
what type of workforce are we looking at for the future?
So, it sounds to me like you're speaking more on the recruiting end
» on on both ends, right? >> Okay.
» Right. >> Well, having a strong pay structure
helps with recruiting. >> It's more it's more than just it's just
more it's more than just money, especially now with with that that
millennial. Trust me, >> it's money. Yes, it it tracks, but also
» work life balance,
» right? But I'm I'm only speaking in that small [clears throat] in that
» okay >> specific area of compensation which I
agree is only one factor of recruitment and retention. I agree with you there
because >> that's not what Dr. Condre is going to
come in and do. >> Okay.
» That's something >> Commissioner Gillard, you were right.
Right.
» No, I No, what what I'm saying is we keep doing this, but we understand that
we have to to keep increase and and I feel like this board we've we've always
every year with budget. What we make sure is that that we take care of our
our our workforce. We like I said, only time we didn't was when I first got on
and we was going through the struggles and I I remember that vividly. We we but
since we've had that opportunity we have so un what I'm saying is whenever
[clears throat] we looking at these pay scale studies
what what's the bigger picture I mean with all the due respect you you you
could put these numbers in and get on chat GPT in 2026 and it it'll give you
everything you need. So what I'm saying is what I think the biggest part when
are we looking at the pay structure what are we looking at for the future growth
and and you you pulled the data you know but the different with the millennials
and [clears throat] and the baby boomers I think the baby boomers is seven almost
8% and again the difference without a respect the baby boomers y'all stayed on
jobs for 40 50 years millennials not doing it so what I'm saying is and even
when you showed the the difference in how many people left the county,
» right? >> Some people don't leave just to leave. I
promise you that. And I think you in HR, you know that. Like the the people,
this new generation is different. And I and I think what I'm saying is I'm not
saying that we don't need to pay for this, but we need to make sure that what
we're looking for. I mean, just looking at from the from the money, right?
» I mean, we can scale that. That's that's scalable.
» Well, let let me mention this to you is one of the things Mr. Mosley and I have
talked about uh bringing into this project which we haven't before are
specific career progression pathways because nowadays I mean people want
measured grow uh targeted growth like here give
me a way to get there and move up in the organization instead of well I'm going
to wait 20 years till my boss retires and and I've you Um, and Miss Hunter
agrees with this, too. I mean, there's studies about that. Um, that's what
keeps people at jobs. You give them a pathway to move up and grow
» by far, >> right? And, you know, we don't have our
pension anymore. We have the 401A, which it's a great retirement plan, and
it's portable, and it's got advantages to that. And it's more with the modern
way of people spending five to seven years if you're lucky at your
organization before moving on. That's why I mentioned succession planning is
important to us because we're losing, you know, when somebody walks out after
30 years, have you captured what they know. Um, so that is one of the things
we're going to bring to Dr. Condre is having the career ladders. when you come
in, you know, you need to get this certification and work this number of
years and you're going to be a senior clerk or a clerk two, three, four,
whatever it is that we decide to do. >> Right. Mr. Sure. That that's the only
thing I was saying. I I I just you know if we just getting strictly numbers for
okay for your position or you know the different departments then I mean
» I see what you mean now and that that is something that we're going to
» right how detailed like you said >> leverage in this study. Yes.
» Absolutely. All right. Thank you
» Laura. Whenever he looks at this, he I assume that he does look at the um
» job description and if you know education,
» you know, if it needs requires a degree and that type of thing, he looks at at
that. Also, >> he does and he'll work with the
department heads on that to uh determine what level of education is needed for if
it's an entry level position or something more specialized
» or do they need to get it within six months or a year.
» Works with the department heads on that. And we did a lot of that work on job
descriptions with the 2023 paper.
» That's right. >> And now we've gotten into much better
practice as we post jobs. We're looking at them for updates.
So >> Laura,
» how many jobs description roughly off the top of your head you think have
changed since the last study? >> How about 350?
Um they continually get minor tweaks. Uh the only ones I would see changing is if
we with the career ladders we would have to make some intermediate
new job descriptions. >> Okay. [clears throat]
» Well, I just hope that we don't run into the same problem that we did with the LA
last one. Remember, with the uh one of our departments,
Mr. Moses probably he was he was just coming in during that time.
I don't want to go into detail, but >> lack of a better word, appeals. Remember
that? >> Right. We did offer some appeals but um
yes but we have to remind everybody that we're looking at a large county and
there is something called internal equity. So what when you state your
major duties and all of the thing those components on the job description that's
what they're measuring. All right. Question. Since you said that, let's say
you come in, he comes in and he selects who he wants to sit down with
» and that person puts down their job description.
Where does it go from there? But straight back to him or does it come
back to admin and then go to Dr. Condre? >> Is the person sitting down with them the
department head? >> Is that the only person he sits down
with? the department head >> this last time. Yes.
» Okay. >> And
» so let's say you let's say you are my department head and
» you put down something concerning me but I don't know what you put down. How does
that go? >> Talking about like job description.
» Yeah. When we finalized all the job
descriptions, we sent them to all the departments to review.
» Um, >> and that's what you used your
» that's information provided to the >> right. We provided them to departments.
They provided them to the employees and then that's when we offered the 90-day
appeal period and the employees got a chance to see
the finalized version of their job description and the pay and then come
and ask any questions. at Liberty Region, we had to sign we had to sign
ours to saying this is what we >> do every now with Palocity, we're able
to build um the job descriptions in to um
the system and associate them with each employee. So, um I don't think the
visibility is turned on there yet, but we could do that or make it part of the
um basically we take the job posting and base it on the job description. So,
they're when they apply for a job, they're getting this all the
information.
» Go ahead. >> I But I I I understand what what
Commissioner Stevenson is saying about that. That's why I again I I think this
is needed. You know, I think us as a county, you know, we've always tried to
make sure and strive that our our the foundation, which is you all are, you
know, taken care of to our best our ability. I just want to make sure that
it's not just a regular old study that don't come back and just say, "Okay,
well, this is what we need." like promise and commissioner thrift just
said it as well like you know if say for instance a baby boomer is retiring right
and then a millennial comes with you know whenever that job description first
was initiated you might have only needed a high school diploma but then a
millennial comes in with maybe three or four years worth of
experience but with a bachelor's and masters.
Where do you start them at? Whenever they have the education,
which whoever gets the education, you want to be compensated for your
education. Where where do you go? Because I I know for a fact we've we
have some some positions right now where somebody was replaced and they're making
less than the other person, their predecessor. And I think you you know
that as well because you are in HR. So what I'm saying is is is that something
that we're going to consider as well. >> We could ask Dr. Condre to come up with
a uh system such as that where they get extra steps for education experience,
but that's going to come down to the budget um and what they would project
that would cost to implement. >> And and and I and I agree 100%. But the
reason why we're doing this, which you said earlier, is retention. So if
» and improvement >> and and there you go. So what I'm saying
is those are are questions that I know that if you're 45 and younger and you
those are things that that matters you know because again
401ks and all you know that either a transfer you start another one
keep it going. >> Mr. chair. Uh to answer Commissioner
Stevens question, uh the department head would have to sign off on that
particular job description. Um you could have ex you could have cases where there
is some bias in that process. But what's good about Dr. Condr, they've worked
with enough job description over the years. They can tell pretty much how job
what the duties of a particular position are. That's where their wisdom
institutional knowledge come into place. >> And one other question for you, Miss L.
» [clears throat] >> Is there any other company around in the
area that could do this same study? >> Uh UG has a group
» so >> so Dr. Condre pull out from UG
» 20 years. >> So he retired with the information
of Liberty County >> with his education. I guess
» one one thing I wanted to say is uh I'm hearing a lot about job descriptions and
different things uh and doing this study uh everything ain't isolated just to a
job description. A lot of people are doing way more than just their job
description or they getting compensated like they should.
» Right. >> You know,
right? >> Tell me what you found out about other
companies that do this. Uh, one one of the things I'm glad that question was
asked. There are there are a bunch of companies that do that. A lot of
companies, you know, they're starting prices in the 100 thousands. And it's
ironic when we were doing this, um, it was uh, a question came across the list
serve and people were asking, okay, who or somebody good that you recommend to
to do a job description? UG and Condrin Associates were the two that was
consistent that um, the people were responding to. Um, Staceboro, not
Staceboro, but Bullet County just paid Arch and Surus and I guarantee it was
$100,000. Uh, it's very lucrative to do these
types of studies.
» So, this this study would include rewriting job descriptions.
» Yes, sir. >> If needed,
» adding any new ones. >> See, old Clinton sitting out there. I
mean, I can't imagine his job description to change it. I mean, he's
he does everything. >> It's not on there.
» No, no. >> Well, when you sat down with Dr. Condra,
make sure you update [clears throat] him.
» Don't be. >> No, I Mr. Chairman, I I got I got to run
in a minute, but I I do want to say I think we did talk about this done,
Laura. >> Well, I I just wanted to say this. We um
it was one of those slides in there. U back up, Laura.
Right. right there where you had one, two, three, four and one, two, three,
four on both sides and you refer to the the right side as
» 567 as 5, six, seven.
» That's so and my my my question was was >> Nathan did something
» was was the three on the right the same as seven, but that's a joke. [snorts]
» No, no, no. My my my question u when we talked about this last month um and I
think the question was we we've done these studies before Dr. Conra or
somebody has done them before and and I guess and I'm just imagining this it may
not be the case that once he get finished he gives us a report you know
» right >> yes
and um which is kind of like a recipe and and then one of those slides say
that we do them every three to five years
and if someone that and I was just thinking if you if someone did a study
three years ago and then in 2019
I mean what's the 26 2029 it's time to do another study you you
you have that that recipe and you know so you go back to that and you kind of
do the same thing that that was just my thought but then you you you had a list
I mean a laundry list of reasons why it need to be done by somebody else and
reasons why why we can't do it. And um I just thought that um you know we we've
we've been through this process several times probably and I've been here
probably three or four times since I was up here.
And I guess um what we're saying is that each time it's done is different. It's
not the same report that you got from him three years ago. is a he's going to
give you a whole another report from a salary study, a different report.
The outline of the report would be the same, but he's going through a whole new
process of collecting the most current salary data from all the different
sources that we outline. >> But I mean, that's what he gonna tell
you. That's what he's doing. But, um, how how does he do that? I mean, with
magic? >> No.
They reach out to all those organizations personally.
» Same ones he reached out to three years ago, wouldn't it?
» Right. That's why he has all those relationships with all these different
uh communities. He does this. So, >> but the country
» I guess there's a big change in three years. So, when he he does it today and
in 2029 when he does it again, there's something totally different. So, he's
going to do that in three years. >> It's the same methodology that he's
used. is really updating the numbers and we don't really delve into the all the
background data that's not in his report. It's basically a summary report
with the different options and costs for the board.
I mean, you know, and I think we all want the the best for our employees. I
mean, you know, so if if if a study um done by whoever, including us, could
make things better for our employees, then I think we're all for that. But I
just didn't think that um having Dr. Con or Steve here um to do a study that he's
done time and time and time again to tell us what
we probably could be able to refer to or that we should probably already know.
But but maybe it is more to it than that. I'll
» if if if we get him. Um and if y'all don't mind, I'll like to come in and see
how he make the sausage. >> I was going to say we we don't know how
the sausage is made. >> Well,
» and then see what >> that's that's his secret.
» Yeah. Yeah. That's what [laughter] I'm saying. He's not the only sausage maker,
you know. >> You know,
» I mean, it's like the chicken, man. You know how many spices, but
» Yeah. >> at that I thought you would say, Mr.
Mostly uh the study done three years ago from that data things could even have
changed which states paid in 2023 they could be paying something different now
then we'll know okay we're getting out of kilter because statesboro will county
Wayne County now they're paying this >> that that is correct sir that they
they've been through studies and they've they've up increased it to meet their
market so everybody's has has done it that's a good point
» and one I was thinking of >> but that sound
» we're all trying to stay >> slightly
We're sure. We're sure. >> And that's how the market keeps moving.
» That is >> all right.
» Okay. >> Okay. Any other questions?
» Thank you. >> So, wait a minute. So, behind this
study, if you are still here at the next go round, you should be able to do it
yourself, right? >> Oh, it's going to be different.
» Going to be fine. >> Yeah, it's going to be different.
» Unless you want to send me to become an expert. And and and what was the price
three years ago for the state? >> 32.
» 32. >> 32.
» Even that's different. >> Oh, yeah. So So yeah, [laughter]
» the scale moves. >> I'm in three years going to be 40.
» Oh man. >> All right. We've been here a long time.
» I do have to go. >> Hold. Chair a motion.
» Mr. Chairman, I make a motion we approve theou with Steve Condre and Associates.
» Second with with all the details. >> All in favor? with all the details.
» Thank you, sir. >> All right.
» Mr. Wales. >> He didn't hear you.
» Mr. Wales. >> I said, "Hey."
» Hey, Gary. >> She still in here.
» Well, even sir, >> we uh sent out some bids for replace one
of our front load garbage trucks. We got some prices back from two
different vendors on what we got. The low bid was Sam some equipment out of
Statesboro 394950.
» That was the low bid. And is it in the is in the CIP a budgeted item and come
in [laughter] under budget? >> You check the other budget.
» Uh Sam is SWAT. They brought out. >> Yeah, I know. I know. I just I
» We're familiar with that vendor obviously.
» Yes, we use them all the time. We >> primary vendors.
» Chair entertain a motion and commission. >> So that second
» I make a motion approve. >> I second it.
» Further discussion. All in favor of your hands, please.
» All right, sir. >> Thank you. [laughter]
» What's What's the turnaround time on the U delivery? He's actually got it on the
yard. He's got to send us the body painted blue to match the rest of ours.
» Yeah. >> Ready to go.
» And I'm assuming we have the money. I guess it's too late.
» He answered that. >> I know.
» Yeah. >> I I can't hear it over over my stomach
right now, you know. But >> wait a minute now.
» Thank y'all. >> All right.
» All right. >> Mr. Mosley, your report.
» Nope. We got No, >> man. Man, we on the second page now.
» Wait a minute. Oh god, >> we took that. It's it's it's still
people in the audience, so I'm >> Yeah, I see that. Yeah. You know what?
» Somebody didn't give me the second page. >> Okay. Uh yeah.
» Uh talk that >> Chief Deputy uh Hagen.
» Come on, Chief. >> Mr. Chair, I was he about to go sleep,
but I was [laughter] going to invite him up. Here it goes. Right.
» The we working night shift, chief. [laughter]
Anything? Good afternoon commission. >> Okay,
» visitors that are left. >> I just want to clear one thing real
quick >> since it was mentioned and we are live
here that the sheriff's department look at giving pay raises. The ones that we
do give, we do do it within. We find creative ways within our budget. We have
not come to the commission to ask for monies to the sheriff do everything he
can to work within his budget because that's part of retention. We're the the
market is constantly changing. But thank you for allowing me to make that quick.
» Absolutely. >> Thank you, sir.
» Clarification. >> That's not just you. That's other
departments, too. >> But I'm here tonight to um come before
you all to bring the um 26 2026 2027U
between the school board and the county commissioners for the SRO program. Um
the the contract hasn't didn't change much from
last year's contract. Um we have um we did up two
SRO's we have two supervisors, a lieutenant and a sergeant. Um and seven
deputies in the schools. We have two in each high school. And then the what we
did was looked at the plan to use dual resources like at the middle
schools, have that officer cover the elementary schools that are attached as
well. Um, I'm the sheriff and I firmly believed in combined resources and from
that we were able to save the board from the last budget approximately $900,000.
And so they were able to cut that from the SRO board as a result of us um
shifting and cutting some of the positions. Um, so
» you said save 900,000. >> Nice.
So you just need approval for this year
» ma'am. >> You just need approval for this year for
the school board has already gone before the board and it's been approved by
them. on our side.
» And as you know, for those who don't know,
» only thing that costs the county um commissioners or the county taxpayers is
from the um you all basically pay out the salaries to the officers and re
fully reimbured by the school board. >> Chief, does that
that includes a benefit for them too, right?
» Okay. Okay. That's that's what I know. >> No money by Okay. Yeah. And how many
» what's your total overall bill out for all of the SRO's? Was it
» total cost? >> No. Uh person per person.
» Many >> how many? How many?
» Nine. >> Nine. Now
» nine with two supervisors, seven um daily operation. your supervisors own
the different schools but also maintain all the um documentation
full implementation. How many will it be? when y'all got full implement.
» What's your expectation to get everybody?
» Of course, we looked at 15. Okay, that's right. Total and that's what was funded.
And then instead of funding that full 15, we go with nine, we cut back to
instead of having that money sitting out there, that was able to go back to the
board. >> And and that's and that's the $900,000
that you just stated that that save, right? which is which is a win-win on
both sides and and more importantly for the taxpayers. But we appreciate you uh
I I think we already made a motion in a second already, but but [laughter] more
but more well we really did. But but more importantly uh you know just being
out there today you know uh at the schools just seeing the the safety that
I felt you know uh even you know over at Bradwell they had the metal detectors
the deputies were out there and and again for someone who has kids in the
school system you know it it made me feel safe where where I know uh when my
kids walk out the door of course I pray but hey that that's that's only that's
only a little bit, you know, but but just to make sure, you know, the Bible
says, you know, about works and
» Yeah. You got you got to work it. >> Sound a little Baptist over here.
» Sound a little Baptist over here, huh? >> Yeah. You said you wanted to go home,
too. >> Amen.
» A motion. We had a motion. Who made the motion?
» Timmy made a motion. >> I made a second.
» All right. All in favor? Thank you, J.
And I want to thank the school board publicly too.
» Absolutely. We app we appreciate that we have for them approving that because it
helps to keep our kids safe. Thank you so much. Thank you for hanging there
with us >> and love y'all. Y'all uniforms man.
» Pretty spiffy.
» You ready? >> Oh. Oh. M chair and [laughter] members
of the board. Uh this is a house cleaning item. Uh as you know, it's very
important for us to have uh people to sign off on ordinances. Uh when things
go uh when Steve goes to when um uh um Mr. Morera goes to court, he has to have
somebody sign off on the um on the codes. And right now, Maria is the only
one that's uh authorized. And what this uh what we're requesting is to authorize
the individual's name in it, but namely me uh Miss Hunter and also Miss
Radcliffe to to sign uh codes uh for staff as they go to court.
» Sounds good. >> Okay. Need a motion on that?
» Yes, sir. >> Yeah, I'll make that motion.
» Second. >> Motion to second. Any further
discussion? Good. All in favor?
» Next item on the agenda, Mr. there uh is a resolution. We're not going to read
it. Uh but basically uh D uh EPD is uh doing some uh reorganization um and but
in our region uh Mr. Field ODM has been on the uh um state uh water policy
council for a long time and he would like to be renominated uh by Liberty
County to uh maintain on there. He's done a great job and he's been outspoken
and been a great advocate for Liberty County and water resources in the area.
Yes. Still over there. >> He is.
» I make that motion. Chairman >> second.
» Any further discussion? >> All in favor? Mr. You're reappointed.
» Mr. Everything water. I appreciate you, sir.
» Uh, next item, Mr. Chair, is a um item. Uh basically it says that uh when
elected officials and that's all elected officials uh when they leave office they
can elect to take their tablet phone and phone number with them at any their
office and when they take it with them they'll be responsible they coordinate
with our IT department and basically they will be responsible for going to
their whatever selection they want in terms of service and they will re uh new
the service through a new provider and should they not they would simply turn
it over to it. That's all this particular policy is and it is a
amendment to our information security usage policy.
» Yes sir. Mr. Chairman I make a motion for approval.
» Second
further discussion. >> Oh we already made second. Okay cool.
» All right. Date funds committee. >> Yes sir.
» Okay. And uh we had two Afric well we
» uh >> F
» F >> this one
» contract with Minute Man security. >> Mr. Chair, I'm going to ask my IT
director and also >> to
» uh now I also asked the other gentleman, Mr. Jesse, to accompany him and they can
do a presentation.
[laughter] >> Good evening everybody. Uh this is why I
wore the suit. um coming for you coming for you tonight. Um this is kind of a
unique project. Um try to think the best way to to explain it. Um so we have 13
county buildings that have physical access security systems in them. Um with
three different security access system controllers. Um the the largest being
our justice center courthouse and courthouse annex. Um that system was put
in when the justice center was built and the system has reached the end of its
life. I don't want to go into a whole lot of details what what's going on but
um we uh reached out to our uh longtime security vendor Minute Man um who used
to be adapt who has put in uh physical security systems, camera systems and um
for the county to um recommend uh different systems that can come in
and unify and connect all 13 buildings to one system. We currently have three.
Uh just to kind of explain, when we hire a fireman, we have to put the fireman in
two different systems. When we hire a deputy, we have to put the deputy in
three different systems to be able to get into the buildings. Um put for y'all
to get in this building, go into one building. If you want to come into one
system, if you want to come into my building, we got to put you into another
system. Uh so we asked Minute Man to to uh come up with some companies that that
could handle 13 buildings and all the access control readers that we do have
in those buildings and to recommend some systems uh that would handle it. Um we
we got a small committee together, myself, administration, the sheriff's
office, building maint um there's somebody else in there, 911 and EMA uh
to to evaluate the systems and um we settled on the Genitech system
um for the system that we need that would meet our needs and it had the
features that we liked. It was able to unify and connect all the buildings
together. Uh we will have to replace some hardware in some buildings. Some of
the newer buildings that we've just completed. Uh they will be able to
reflash the the little boxes that control the doors to the new software
that will work with this. So we won't have to physically replace some some of
the hardware, but most of the hardware we will have to replace. Um
and let's see here. And we were able to do that for $71,000.
Um, and we're asking the board to approve that. So, as far as funding
goes, um, $460,000 of this was uh um earmarked in the capital improvement
capital improvement budget. Trying to make sure I say that right. Was
earmarked in the capital improvement budget, which was approved by the
commission. Um, and Miss Richardson has identified funds. Um I'm not really sure
where, but she has identified funds that are existing to pay for the additional
$241,000 of the project. Uh so this would be paid for, not we don't have to
lease anything, but would be paid for would would not require a budget
adjustment. >> Where did Samantha find the
» bond money? >> And and what money
» bond money?
» It's a very good system. We got our Minute Man representative here who will
be handling the installation, maintenance, and all of that. And Miss
Laura who's the financing and and put the quote together, sales, and put the
quote together. If you have any questions, uh, this is a security
matter, so we kind of might be a little vague on a couple of things, but any
questions, >> where did you get your suit from?
[laughter] >> I mean, vague. I mean, seriously,
without we really we really should be openly discussing a lot of that
questions. That's that's why right >> that's why he's speaking vaguely sir.
» Yeah. And that's why I just asked about a suit that let's let's just
» you trying to >> right let's just keep it moving
» would be help I'll answer any questions offline that you that you may have if
you want some specific >> just out of curiosity ready to go home
too health department would not be one of the building. So so when they go over
there how >> you would need another card.
» Okay. This handles um all three courouses, uh three fire stations, three
MS buildings, the gates of public works, all the IT 911, EMA building.
» Okay. >> Just a center and yeah, the three
courouses. >> How long you think this will last?
» Um >> 10 15 years.
» One of the reasons we went with this system was for future growth and
expandability. So as we add new buildings, as we discern, you know,
determined that we want this door to have access control on it, this system
can scale out and do that. we can add on to it.
» That was really the only question I really had.
» And that was the problem. The current system, both all three systems that we
currently have, we cannot do that. They're they're old. They've reached
their end of the life and and finding the parts are is a problem. Um,
» and how long would it take to implement this?
» There's clear on how you wanted to schedule it.
» Within three, six months, you could have it all switched out.
» We got the money. He's found the money.
around the court systems and people coming in. We'd have to work around the
the evening hours for all of that to to >> and then act,
» right? And then everyone would get another badge or whatever
» or some most of them would. >> I would suggest that new badges, but you
can reuse some of the badges that you have, but I would suggest
» who in this area has the system. >> Oh goodness. Glen County has it. I've
talked with them. They had they said don't go leave and look at anybody else.
I've asked some other counties. I don't remember. It's been so long, but there
are county, >> but Glen County is one of the
» Do you know of any other? >> So, yeah, they actually have this in
Atlanta, Fton County. So, and I'll tell you is with you guys being with all the
stuff. This is a system that's built more for um like a cyber secure. I don't
know if you guys have heard what's going on with like Newton County and what's
going on with surrounding counties in Georgia right now, but they're holding
these counties And this system is built around that to prevent this stuff from
happening. So there is a lot of counties in Atlanta that do use Genitech. Um we
are now finding that more schools are actually going to Genitech uh for that
very reason. >> Clint, who will actually uh
monitor or manage the system? >> So this system the way it's done now is
managed by like different people. This system will be integrated in with our
network security. So when we create a user, when we set up your email, uh
it'll put you in a department and being in that department will give you the
access that you need. Um when that person separates employment or is
separated, it removes that access instantly.
» So there's [clears throat] no one particular
» again >> person that you can say manage the whole
entire system for the county. >> Again, it would be it.
» Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Okay. >> But Mr. share again, you know, uh
if if we can just keep keep the the question limited, you know, whatever
you're dealing with. I mean, on a serious note, when whenever you're
dealing with uh >> let let me tell y'all about scammers,
man, let >> we going home now.
» Yeah, I know. So, that's why I'm just saying let's just listen. When whenever
whenever they make a whole song now about scammers,
» Yeah. Y'all, I know y'all probably don't listen to that station, but it is a
whole song out there about how they spin it. So, in other words, if we can just
not ask too many questions about about security on a serious note.
» Thank you. >> U and what I'm asking for tonight is for
the board to approve you or the chairman.
» Authorized chairman. >> Authorized chairman to sign a contract
for the uh $71,000 purchase um contingent upon the county attorney
approving the contract. I got one question that you said that that funding
is available. >> Yes, sir.
» Okay, Mr. Chairman, I'm ready for a motion. I'll make that motion. Chairman
second motion and a second that we approve the request presented. Any
further discussion? Think we had plenty. All in favor? Show of hands. All right.
Thank you, Mr. Stanley. >> Look forward to enhancement of our
security system. >> Didn't he didn't he say that's a minimum
investment? >> All right.
My readings item G.
» Yes, Mr. Chairman. The uh committee has met and reviewed
the applications. had one each for um
the uh date fund and uh applicant is the Liberty County
Boys and Girls Club submitted application and we um agreed to approve
the amount requested was $5,000.
» That would be my motion, Mr. Chairman. >> Second, Mr. Motion second. We approve
the allocation of the funds to Li County Boys and Girl. I see Miss Ed.
» Oh, >> all in favor? Show of hands, please.
» All right. Second. >> Yes, sir. Also, the uh Liberty County
Boys and Girls Club submitted uh application for the opioid settlement
fund for $20,000. These funds are available and uh I would make a motion
we approve the application for $20,000. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.
» Mr. Chair, I got it.
Since you're sitting out there, Miss War, Miss Green,
» um, got one question. I know a while back you were connected with the Boys
and Girls Club in Savannah, correct? >> Yes, sir.
» Are you still connected with them?
» So, this funds will be used only for Liberty County.
» Absolutely. Not
to help us.
» Okay. So, you
» already have 54 kids
had to come away.
What a grateful. Thank you. And I will spread the word.
» All right. >> No problem.
» Okay. You want to make com >> comment before we vote?
» Uh, y'all got a motion? We need a vote. >> Vote.
» Oh. Um, uh, Commissioner Emma, you can do I'll let you do so. Just just make
the statement. [laughter] >> And, uh, on what we're talking about
here, I just like to make it known to the to the taxpayers that, uh, without
going into great detail, but this is not actually tax money that's coming from
the taxpayer and all. I just want to make that clear. This is money that's
been settled >> from different court cases and different
thing that goes back into the system. as plain as I know how to explain.
» You did a good job, sir. >> Um, Mr. I just ask you that if I read
item G without being here, I would assume that all this is date funds. You
need to make the notation that this the 20,000 is opiate.
» Yes, sir. Okay. >> Okay. Yes, sir.
» Just for clarity. >> Okay. All in favor?
All right. Thank you, Miss for what you do in the community.
» A whole lot more to me, sir. and you and your team.
» Oh yeah. Uh C Councilman Kelly as well. >> Yeah, but she know she works hard over
there. >> Okay. Go ahead,
» sir. >> Uh Mr. Chair, quickly, uh EMA Bob
received a final check for $33,6496
for the remaining Hurricane Helen projects. Uh he's waiting to get some
money from category Z. under finances. Uh we are assembling the actors that you
heard the other day. Uh talk about the water reclamation facility, the
financing of that >> and also I noted I share with chairman
is that we're eligible to receive $130,000 from the tree act, right?
» Uh that money is sitting there. I was contacted by ACCG to apply for those
funds and uh Samantha and I are going to sit down and we're going to put together
the application and we'll bring back a resolution because that's one of the
requirements at the uh next commission meeting to get that completed and we
will apply for those funds. Uh Commissioner um Stevens was alluding to
on landfield. We received a letter from EPD uh from anc inspection that was done
on March the 4th, 2026 and it highlights several issues that need to be resolved.
Larry Myers, who's our environment engineer, has worked with uh Clinton
Wales to address those issues and he's going to submit a letter and we're going
to send it to EPD to show to show how we plan to mitigate other areas. Uh y'all
just went over security for the annex. Uh
one of the things that came out and I was talking to uh Mr. Payne was we got
our um preliminary do sales tax ratio and it looked good. Um I'm asking Keith
to come to the uh work session and to talk about in details, but they're
within range and they were at 38%. He said normally they like to see 36 to
42%. So we're in that good sweet spot, but he's going to come [clears throat]
and explain that in detail. Uh also in your packet is a notification for the
city of Riceboro. They want to do some annexation and particularly uh it
involves land owned by the Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church there and they
want to build some houses there. >> New Zion.
» I'm about to say I'm sorry. Man, listen. Mount Zion. Yeah. Yeah. We
we not selling. That's on EB Cooper Road. And one of the
things they noted in the in in the request was we had to protest that we
had facilities in the area and we do not have any count.
» We don't have any. >> And last thing I want to note, Mr. share
is that we have a ribbon cutting for our new MS station on September 3rd at 9:00
a.m. >> At the next meeting, will you bring us
up to date on item one or did you do it just now?
» Uh, let me Okay, got I'll bring up the >> Okay, good.
» I know you and Commissioner Thrift and Blunt are doing that. So,
yes, sir. We'll we'll dig a little deeper. We got another meeting.
» Okay. >> All right.
» Oh, just real quick, I I appreciate the support with uh for our our STEM uh day
camp that we had. >> Uh we had what 30 participants and uh
we're looking at bringing it back uh in the in the spring. Of course, you know,
the commission that's that's part of our whole youth
uh initiative. And it was sold out in what two days? No, but yeah, one day.
And Mr. Mosie, just for the rest of the board, we do have a some of us have a
meeting scheduled on the >> 10th. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Thank you,
sir. Thank you, sir. Uh for our county workshop. Um
uh talk to Maria. She's got rooms and what she want to do is make sure from
you guys, all you guys planning to go and if y'all are, we're going to
complete your application so we can submit and pay the registration fees.
So, is everybody here going? Commissioner Frasier,
» hey, I responded. >> Well, she's she's been out of pocket and
we're trying to >> My bad.
» Yeah. >> We're trying to make sure everything
» Yeah. I I was I was actually talking about the 10th that we meet on the
project in Riceboro >> and on August.
» Oh, is that >> I mean August.
» Uh so we'll send the time out. >> Okay. All right.
So, what Commissioner Stevens is alluding to, we're meeting with the uh
PA pastors and concerned citizens around a roundabout at uh SR119 in Bariton
Ferry as we get ready to plan that roundabout. So, we're going to be
meeting [clears throat] with them out in the field,
» right? >> Uh to look at it one more time. So,
that's what he's alluding to. >> Yeah. Okay.
» All right. All right. Good. The agenda that's just a carry over from last time
executive session. We don't have >> No, sir. We will talk about that later.
But yes, sir. >> We're good. We're good.
» We're good. >> Let's go home. Shar motion to journ.
» All in favor?
Patrick, we got our money.