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It is now 7:00 PM, and we'd like to call the Village of Libertyville board meeting

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to order for the day of September 8th, 2026.

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At this time, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll?

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Trustee Adams.

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Here.

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Trustee Garrity.

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Here.

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Trustee Kromick.

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Here.

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Trustee Rooney. Trustee McDonald.

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Here.

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Trustee Herrmann.

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Here.

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Mayor Johnson.

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Present. And with that, I will ask Trustee Kara McDonald to lead us in the Pledge

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of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Briefly, we have a few brief housekeeping matters.

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First of all, for those of you who this is your first time in attendance in our

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board meeting, I want to welcome you to the Libertyville board meeting for the date

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of September 8th, 2026. If you would like to provide public comment on a matter,

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at the front table where that gentleman is standing at the front entrance, there's

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a form there. Complete it. It is intuitive.

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There's a little line in the left-hand corner.

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Please indicate what number item on the agenda you wish to provide public comment

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on, and then give it to the closest staff member here at the table.

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They will get it up here to me and the clerk, and we will call you in the order

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that the item appears on the agenda, and if we have multiple people, in the order

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in which we receive your form that you completed at the front desk there.

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So thank you for that. And now,

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having said that, I will move down to agenda item number two.

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Is Alyssa Vinci in the room? Hi, Alyssa, how are you?

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Good. How are you?

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I'm doing well.

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Is there a timer again?

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I'm sorry.

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Is there a timer again?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Three minutes. And please state your name for the record, please.

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Yep. Alyssa Vinci.

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Thank you. It's being recorded. That's why I ask you to repeat it. Thank you.

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Yep, no worries. Good evening, again.

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I had hoped the next time you would see me, I would simply be here to celebrate all

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the positive movements in the communities. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

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I am here tonight to ring an alarm bell, one that I also rang at the Lake County

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Board meeting this morning,

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about a major loophole that is about to slip through our fingers.

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Three loopholes exist around data centers.

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The first, inadequate meaningful public engagement.

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The second, choosing not to amend zoning

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to include hyperscale developments as their own category.

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Those were Gray's Lake's loopholes.

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But the third loophole belongs to Lake County, the surrounding towns, all of us.

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Failing to establish independent baseline measurements before the development

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starts to change the existing conditions.

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I honestly assumed I would not have to advocate for this, but here we are.

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The first building permit has been approved.

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The substation construction has begun, and I cannot find any public commitment that

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independent baseline testing will be conducted.

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Instead, through emails with surrounding towns, all around T5, I am uncovering that

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existing ordinances and state regulations will protect us.

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So I want to take a chance to explain that a little bit more.

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Ordinances measure compliance. Baselines measure change.

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The ordinance tells you whether a limit was exceeded.

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The baseline tells you what changed.

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I looked through the Village of Libertyville's noise ordinances.

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You actually have some of the most robust in the county.

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You look at the lower frequencies, which I appreciate.

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Unfortunately, that is not always enough.

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In Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin, Microsoft themselves admitted that they were

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operating under ordinance levels, but also admitted that the total noise was

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traveling farther than they anticipated.

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There is now residents up to 1.5 miles away from the Microsoft Center pursuing a

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class action lawsuit, the first class action lawsuit in Wisconsin against a data

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center. This isn't hypothetical.

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Baselines are used by Aurora, Yorkville, Naperville, and Mount Prospect as best

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cases to establish what exists in the communities before they change.

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That includes things like sound, air, light, traffic, vibrations, and heat.

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Because once the before is gone, we will not be able to recreate it.

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When residents eventually say, "Hey, something's changed," the question from the T5

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company will be, "Compared to what?"

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So my request tonight is not that Libertyville solves every data center problem.

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There are too many to count. I am asking you to help preserve the evidence while we

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still can. Construction is already happening.

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Please establish independent baselines.

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Please work with your surrounding towns and the Lake County Board.

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There's evidence that Lake County has co-done this with Waukegan and Green Bay

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before when they measured levels in the air. The baseline cannot wait.

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Please help us establish the before, before it's gone. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Is there any other person that wishes to provide a comment to the board under

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agenda item two this evening? If not, we will move on to the omnibus

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vote agenda

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in a single group. I have been told that there are individuals here to

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hear what's happening with the omnibus, but you're not requesting to provide

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public comment on the items that are on the agenda this evening. Is that correct?

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All right. Just want to make sure. So with that, are there any items that are part

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of the omnibus vote, a single group, that any trustee would like to take out for

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separate discussion this evening?

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If not, I will entertain a motion for approval of the omnibus vote agenda in a

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single group at this time.

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I move to adopt the items listed on the omnibus vote agenda in a single group

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pursuant to the omnibus vote procedures of the Libertyville Municipal Code, subject

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to conditions identified, if any, in the agenda supplements or such items.

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Thank you. The omnibus vote agenda on a single group has been moved on.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Thank you. Any further discussion on that motion?

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Hearing no further discussion, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll?

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Trustee Adams.

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Trustee Garrity.

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Trustee Kromick.

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Aye.

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Trustee McDonald.

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Aye.

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Trustee Herrmann.

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Aye.

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Thank you. The board has taken action at this time and moved to adopt the omnibus

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vote agenda in a single group. Moving down to agenda item four, which

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is consideration and report of the Planning Commission on a special use permit for

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PC26-10, a site plan permit,

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PC26-11, for a car wash and associated site improvements

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at 211 South Milwaukee Avenue. Papos 3 LLC is the

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applicant. Briefly, in summary, before we call anyone up, the staff

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report indicates that Papos 3 LLC is requesting a special use

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permit and site plan for the development of a car wash and associated site

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improvements at 211 South Milwaukee Avenue.

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The applicant is also requesting a variation from the fence location requirements

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to allow a fence in the front yard and a variation from the front yard setback

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requirements. This project was reviewed by the Appearance Review Commission on

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April 22nd, 2026 and received a recommendation for approval with

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conditions. Those conditions are noted in the ARC minutes from the April 27th

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meeting. The project was heard at the May 18th, 2026 meeting of the Planning

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Commission and Zoning Board of Appeals.

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After hearing presentation from the applicant and public testimony, the commission

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reviewed the applicant's materials and continued the discussion to the July 13th,

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2026 meeting. At the applicant's request, the items were further continued to the

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August 24th, 2026 meeting, at which the Planning Commission recommended

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denial of the special use permit and the site plan permit by a vote of six to zero.

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If the board accepts the Planning Commission's recommendation for denial, the

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request will be denied. Alternatively, if the board wishes to approve the

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petitioner's request, a separate motion is required for each request inclusive of

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the conditions listed in the report, and an ordinance will be prepared for the next

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board meeting reflecting this decision.

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Under Illinois law, since the applicant received a negative recommendation from the

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Planning Commission, any ordinance approving the requested relief must be approved

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by the majority of trustees. And so with that,

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would the petitioner like to step forward?

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Who's going to be speaking for you this evening? Joe? Okay.

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So Joe, just let me explain to you the process here at the board level.

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So I just read the staff report and the summary.

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If there's anything that I read in the staff's report or summary that you disagree

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with, let me know that. If not, the next part of the process will be, I know you

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have something that you plan to present.

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Mm-hmm.

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The next part of the process is opening it up for public comment from the audience

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Turning it over to the board, and then before we turn it over to the audience for

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any public comment, the department head, Heather Rowe, who you've met before at

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community development, has a brief summary and outline that she will present to

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the trustees. And then at that time, if there's something that you want to clarify

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or question that she's presented, we present a summary, you can do so.

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If not, you can wait till there's been some public comment, then provide rebuttal,

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or you can wait to provide rebuttal and clarification after public comment has been

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entertained and after the trustees have had discussion. It's just up to you.

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And you always have an opportunity, what we call in the legal system, to do

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redirect, to ask more questions from what you're hearing.

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Yep

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... there's opportunity for that as well.

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Yep.

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So with that, Heather, you want to start with your brief summary, and then, Joe,

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you can come up after she finishes.

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Thank you.

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Great.

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I think it's missing something.

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We're still going.

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Do you... Okay.

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I know.

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Good evening, mayor and board.

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The item before you tonight is several cases.

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As you can see, ZBA cases 26-14 and 26-18, as well as

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Plan Commission cases 26-10 and 26-11.

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The applicant is Papo's 3 LLC. Joe Stone, who you had up here,

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is the representative for them this evening.

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They are requesting a special use permit, a site plan permit, as well as

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two variations. The items before you are the Plan Commission report,

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as well as the report of the Zoning Board of Appeals.

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You can see the site on South Milwaukee as represented on the top on an aerial, and

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on the bottom, you can see the zoning map excerpt for that.

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The property is on the west side of Milwaukee Avenue

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on the block extending south from Sunnyside. If you'll advance, please.

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This is the site plan that they'll be going through with you.

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As you can see from here, there's two variations being requested.

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Mm-hmm.

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The first is a front yard setback, and the second one is for the fence extending in

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front of the building line. You can see the red line at the bottom is where they

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have a sound wall fence, and in the sections where it extends beyond the building,

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closer to the street is what triggers that variation. If you'll advance, please.

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This is just for your reference. Throughout the process, the applicant has made a

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number of changes to the site plan.

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A number of those have reduced some of the requests.

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They're no longer requesting a text amendment.

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They've reduced quite a few of the variations.

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This is the ingress-egress plan that was modified at the Plan

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Commission at their last meeting before it came to you.

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I'm sure they will go into more detail, but you can see the exiting is intended to

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only exit towards Milwaukee Avenue and not to the neighborhood at Sunnyside or

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McKinley. Entrance is only on that Sunnyside.

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If you'll advance, please. This is just the landscape plan, as you can see, for

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reference. One of the variations that they did get rid of through the modifications

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in the process was to their request for landscaping variations.

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So this is the landscape plan, and it is compliant.

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If you can move forward, please.

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Again, they have also made some modifications to their signage throughout, so no

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longer necessitating those variations or text amendment, and this is just an

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excerpt of that facade.

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Thank you. This is the review process, which you're familiar with, and for the

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benefit of the audience here today, they did file that application,

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and following the filing of the application, the materials were made available to

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the public on the village website, as well as through public notices, as required

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by state law. Staff also did an internal review and forwarded the material to

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our consultants. Our consultants' review of their materials is provided to you in

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the various materials.

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The item did go to the Appearance Review Commission.

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That body just looks at the facade and the landscaping type materials.

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They did recommend approval four to zero to the Plan Commission.

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The Plan Commission and Zoning Board of Appeals heard the various items that were

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before them. After deliberation and public testimony that was received,

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they did determine their recommendation to be denial on all items by a vote of six

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to zero, which brings us to the Village Board this evening.

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And of course, the board has the opportunity for a denial or approval this evening.

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Throughout the process, the Plan Commission and Zoning Board do look at standards.

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That's a requirement for any item, and they determine whether or not a project

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meets the standards, for instance, for special use permits.

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A number of items for consideration are listed here as reflected right out of our

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village ordinance.

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In standards for variation, they do the same type of determination, and the items,

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again, are listed in the municipal code, the zoning code, and this is just a

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summary of some of the type of items that they looked at when making their

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determination.

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And that's staff's report. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any questions right now at this point? It's early. Okay. Joe, you can come back up.

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Okay.

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And introduce yourself to the board, too.

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Check.

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Okay.

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Is the pointer missing? Is that what-

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Yeah.

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I know.

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Okay. It's on its way.

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You're right.

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Is it-

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Okay

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... is it going now?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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We'll make do.

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Okay.

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That's okay.

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So my name's Joe Stone.

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Mm-hmm.

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I am one of the owners of Papo's Express.

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With me today is, most importantly, my father-in-law, but also business partner,

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Russ, and then Steven, who is the sound engineer for

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the study, should you have any questions for him. He's here at your disposal.

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Okay.

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So a little bit before we get into the nuts and bolts of the project, a little bit

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more in-depth than Heather did, I first wanted to introduce who we are, Papo's

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Express. We are a family-owned business that was started by my father-in-law, Russ,

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back in 1983. He did that after six years in the Navy, and one of his first jobs

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was working for a gentleman named Roger.

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He convinced Roger to become a partner of his, who he later ended up buying out and

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then growing his business from there.

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Later, about 10 years after that, so on the left, that's a picture of all of us

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when we opened our Lakeview Beach location in 2018.

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The gentleman in the beard all the way on the right, that is his brother, Israel.

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He joined the business around 10 years after he started, so sometime around

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'93. Israel was a master electrician who had 20 employees in his own

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electrical contracting company.

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Okay.

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So they determined that he spent too much time working on my father-in-law's stuff,

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and they might as well just become partners.

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So they merged, and then in 2018, Dwayne, who's the tall

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gentleman in the middle, he's Israel's son-in-law, and then myself joined the

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company, and so we have four partners, and we are loving what we're doing.

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Nice family-owned business. We currently own and operate eight locations in the

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Chicagoland area, and we are also a car wash distributor for 11 car wash

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manufacturers, where we will sell and install the equipment for people that want to

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build car washes. So that's a little bit about us.

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If you could go to the next slide, please.

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So a little bit, Papo's Express is more than just a name.

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Very sadly,

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a family member of ours, Israel's son,

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lost his battle to leukemia, and ever since, we've rebranded all of our businesses

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in his name, in his memory. And we've been, every single year, contributing money

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from all of our businesses to try to end leukemia and other blood cancers, and

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we're very proud of, so far to date, we've been able to donate over $720,000

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in Papo's name to fight leukemia.

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We're extremely proud that in 2024 and 2025, we were actually the number one donor

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in Chicago Land area, beating out Walgreens both years.

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proud of what we've done, and we want to turn this tragedy into something positive

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and try to avoid heartbreak for other families that we felt in our family.

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So if you could, next slide, please.

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Okay, one last thing about our company to get to know us a little bit more is we

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have a motto, if you will, and that's never settle, always get better.

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Everything we do, we try to improve one day at a time, one business at a time.

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My role as one of the partners is being in the stores, in

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the car washes numerous times a week.

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And I have a simple goal, other than checking up on things, is find something to

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improve every single time I'm there.

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And if I could do that,

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look at where we can get to. So we always are trying to get better.

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Our company goal is to be the best in the industry.

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I hope throughout this presentation and what we can provide, that you would

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understand that and how passionate we are for what we do.

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But how we try to execute this is quality over quantity.

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We could have way more than eight locations if we wanted.

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In fact, the last couple of years, we sold off a couple locations.

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We are very choosy, very picky on how we grow and the way that we do, and so

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we truly care about quality, not just growing for the sake of growing, unlike a lot

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of businesses in this industry and others.

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We put our heart and souls into each and every one of our developments.

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We are very proud of what we do and what we accomplish. We focus on details.

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Details are extremely important in every business, and we don't deny that in this

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one as well. We have in-depth training with the employees and especially with the

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managers, where I personally train them, and the regimen goes anywhere between six

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to nine months. I have a training protocol I go with them, and I don't rush it.

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It's a big investment we make, but we think it's very important in how we want to

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run the business and make sure that they understand how we run it and why we run it

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that way. We always overstaff. There's nothing worse than going to a business, a

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restaurant, a coffee place, or wherever, and you're waiting and no one's helping

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you. That's not what we do, and that's what we avoid.

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We always overstaff to offer the best customer service we can.

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And also, something that's unique in this industry is we profit-share with the

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managers. It's the best and easiest way to get them to buy in, to grow the business

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and execute on performance. So,

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other than that, as I said, we are a distribution company as well for 11 different

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manufacturers. So we install, maintain, and do all our own in-house quality

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control, which is for our places, and that is unique in the industry, because

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if anyone knows anything about Murphy's Law, when it's going to go wrong, it's

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going to be Friday night, Saturday morning on a beautiful day.

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And if you're not doing it yourself, you're waiting until Monday to get someone

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else to come out and do it. So, we can get ours turned around and taken care of in

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a couple of hours. And that is something, again, we have a lot of pride in doing

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everything ourselves and not relying on anyone else for our services or company or

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anything else of the matter. So if you could, next slide, please.

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Okay, so our goal for this development is truly to benefit everyone, to benefit the

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Village, the residents close and far, the commuters, the visitors of Libertyville.

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And how do we do that? Through aesthetics, through sound, through traffic, and

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through kicking off a new development.

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So I'll dig in a little bit more in each one of these.

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If you could, next slide, please.

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So currently, the building that's there is a vacant white building, and

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I'm sure when it was first built, it was absolutely beautiful and exactly what

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needed to be there. But at this time, I think it's run its course, and it's,

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I'm guessing, not exactly the image that Libertyville wants on a very busy street

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with great visibility. So currently, that's the aesthetics of the

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lot that is at 211 South Milwaukee. If you could, next slide, please.

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So this is what we are proposing to build.

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We're extremely proud of the building we put up and the materials we've chosen.

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This is our Gurnee location. I don't know if anyone's driven by it or had

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an opportunity to see it. It's on the intersection of Hunt Club and Washington, and

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it is our showcase until the next one we build.

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So the stone material on the bottom,

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that's the tan material. It's a stone fascia.

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And then above it is this beautiful brick that we picked out.

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It is absolutely remarkable. If you look at it in the sunlight, it's got a bluish,

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charcoal-ish sheen on it. And then if you look at it in the shade, the blue goes

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away and it's just got a very nice,

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semi-smooth,

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charcoal look, which is very elegant.

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That's what we're trying to accomplish with this building.

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Style and design is elegance, classiness, and something to set us apart as a

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first-top organization. So these are all buildings, like I said, from our pictures

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from our Libertyville building, or, I'm sorry, our Gurnee building.

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So if you could, next one, please. Landscape.

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Another thing that would be a big improvement for aesthetics is the landscape that

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we'd be offering. So currently on site, there are 10 trees, and part of this

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process, Libertyville had told us to get an arborist to go and

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do a tree survey. A certified arborist with Libertyville.

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What they found when they surveyed the 10 trees that are on site is that they're

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all in poor health and they need to be removed. Now, I'm not an arborist.

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That's simply what they said. But what I do know about arborists, they hate taking

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down trees. So his

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recommendation, I think, carries a lot of weight.

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So what we'd be

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doing is removing the 10 trees and putting up 49 trees in their place.

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So almost a 500% increase is, I think, going to be aesthetically pleasing.

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And other than just trees, significant amounts of shrubs, perennials, and annual

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plantings as well. So next slide, please.

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For instance, we take our flowers very seriously.

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We are very proud of what we do. This is over at that Gurnee site, and

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I don't know any car wash you'd see that does flowers like we do every year, and

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the amount of care and attention we put into all the plantings we do.

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And I don't know very many places that have any flowers like that, but we do.

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We absolutely love what we do, and I think it sets us apart and shows the little

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extra that we're willing to go to impress our customers and reflect good upon us

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and the Village and the customers and the commuters and everyone around.

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So if you could, next one, please.

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Okay, so a little bit of the site plan.

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I know Heather had talked a little bit about it.

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So the entrance would be off Sunnyside.

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So when you enter on that second driveway, you'd get access to the car wash,

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through the pay stations with the three lanes of arrows.

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Once you pay, you'll hook a left and go into the car wash.

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After you wash, you can either exit on Sunnyside.

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Again, you can see that we have the directional curb cuts, the pavement markings,

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and there would also be a traffic sign that says, "Do not turn towards the

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residence."

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Or you could enter the vacuum area and you could vacuum your car, and then you have

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the option of exit off McKinley or Sunnyside.

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So typically, about 10% to 15% of people will dry

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their car or vacuum their car after the car wash.

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So not very many people choose to do that, but the ones that do, you're talking

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about 10% to 15% that will choose to do that after using the car wash.

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So if there are any questions, we could circle back around to this slide, but for

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the time, we'll just move on to the next.

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So throughout the process, most of the concerns came down to three items: traffic,

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sound, and land use. And I would like to quickly go over each one of them, and then

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I'm sure we'll get into a little bit more details if need be about them as we go

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on. So if you could first-- Thank you. You are ahead of me now.

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So like the certified arborist, I'm not the professional, but I'm really good at

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reading what the professional said, putting it on a screen, and then reading it.

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So according to CLOA, who did our traffic study, and was reviewed by your

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traffic engineer too,

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they said that eliminating the two access drives on Milwaukee Avenue will

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improve traffic flow and reduce traffic conflicts. That is their words, not mine.

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One of the most important thing that we could do for traffic on this project is

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currently there are two driveways on Milwaukee that we will be closing down.

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And whenever you close down driveways, let alone two of them, IDOT gets happy,

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LightDOT gets happy, the Village usually gets happy because traffic flow greatly

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improves. The less time people stop off to turn on Milwaukee, traffic

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improves, and both our traffic consultant and the Village's traffic consultant

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agreed that this actually improves traffic flow on Milwaukee.

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Then they go on and they say, "And reduce the traffic conflicts." Again, you don't

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have people stopping on Milwaukee to turn in.

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Much easier and much better for everyone to use a side street for quick access

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versus slamming on your brakes on Milwaukee.

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So they go on to say the traffic that will be generated by the proposed car wash

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can be accommodated by the area roadway system.

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So basically what that's saying is that what we are doing is not going to overload

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any of the streets, not Milwaukee, not Sunnyside, not McKinley.

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Lastly, the proposed stacking provided by the car wash, which is 42

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spaces,

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will be able to accommodate the projected demand.

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What that's saying is that when we're busy, we're not going to be overflowing onto

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the streets. Very important. So that's their words for the traffic.

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The most important points is, again, the big bold ones that both our consultants

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say that this will actually improve traffic flow and reduce traffic conflicts with

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this development. If you could, next one, please.

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Okay, sound study. Again, Steven's here to talk a lot more about something that I

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know only enough to be dangerous with.

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And so our big goal with the sound of this project is to

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have no impact. We don't want to impact anyone in a negative way when it comes to

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sound or traffic, or even the project as a whole.

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We don't want anyone to

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be impacted negatively. So,

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what Steven had found is projected car wash sound levels at the nearby resident

468
00:30:26,538 --> 00:30:32,448
receivers would remain at or below ambient noise levels during

469
00:30:32,508 --> 00:30:38,118
the proposed operating hours. So what we had to do to be able to get the sound

470
00:30:38,178 --> 00:30:44,058
testing to this point was we had to put a 19-foot tunnel extension at

471
00:30:44,118 --> 00:30:48,468
the end of it. And inside that extension, there are going to be foam

472
00:30:49,488 --> 00:30:55,443
sound-absorbing panels to absorb as much sound as humanly possible before it leaves

473
00:30:55,488 --> 00:30:58,038
the exit and ventures off into the world.

474
00:30:58,607 --> 00:30:59,268
So,

475
00:31:00,498 --> 00:31:05,042
according to the sound projections and the sound study is that at all times we will

476
00:31:05,089 --> 00:31:08,358
be at or below ambient noise levels.

477
00:31:08,928 --> 00:31:09,632
Also saying that

478
00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:11,598
we are

479
00:31:13,908 --> 00:31:16,758
below the traffic noise from Milwaukee.

480
00:31:18,408 --> 00:31:20,178
So referring to the second story window,

481
00:31:21,468 --> 00:31:27,018
why we had to ask for a continuance was the original sound study did not address a

482
00:31:27,078 --> 00:31:29,718
second-story window on an abutting residence.

483
00:31:31,428 --> 00:31:34,068
And so we went back and addressed that.

484
00:31:34,639 --> 00:31:38,839
And so what we had found is, referring to the second-story window, we expect the

485
00:31:38,899 --> 00:31:44,868
new features, the extension to the tunnel of the proposed car wash, to

486
00:31:44,899 --> 00:31:50,118
have no noise impact on the second-story locations and be

487
00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:54,529
significantly below the ambient noise levels at ground elevations.

488
00:31:55,218 --> 00:31:59,779
So that's exactly what our goal was for this project.

489
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:05,524
Now, the graph on the right, the green in there is the ambient noise levels that

490
00:32:05,538 --> 00:32:10,488
were recorded while he did his study. The purple, light purple?

491
00:32:10,968 --> 00:32:16,458
The higher ones. Now what that is, is the noise levels projected for that

492
00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:21,948
second-story window. As you can see, at all times, it is at or below the ambient

493
00:32:22,008 --> 00:32:27,948
noise levels. Excuse me. What I'll call the dark blue one all the

494
00:32:27,978 --> 00:32:30,408
way on the left, that is a

495
00:32:33,768 --> 00:32:39,318
property across, it's the first property across the street at the front yard.

496
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:41,779
Excuse me one second.

497
00:32:46,038 --> 00:32:46,968
Okay. Sorry about that.

498
00:32:48,573 --> 00:32:53,899
That property across the street is the second point of concern,

499
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:56,583
and that is also

500
00:32:58,038 --> 00:32:59,298
well below ambience.

501
00:33:00,978 --> 00:33:06,498
Man, sorry about that. Lastly, that light blue line is the

502
00:33:07,218 --> 00:33:10,248
front yard of that same resident with a second-story window.

503
00:33:10,758 --> 00:33:14,208
So those were the three points that the sound engineer was most concerned about

504
00:33:14,298 --> 00:33:17,928
that might have a negative impact, and so we put it on a graph there, trying to

505
00:33:17,958 --> 00:33:22,128
make it as easy as possible that it will always be at or below ambient noise

506
00:33:22,188 --> 00:33:24,738
levels, these points of concern.

507
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:27,139
Next one, please.

508
00:33:27,498 --> 00:33:27,919
That's good.

509
00:33:29,328 --> 00:33:34,818
Okay. The last point of discussion for me for this time being

510
00:33:35,688 --> 00:33:41,448
is that there's a comprehensive plan out there for what is going to happen south

511
00:33:41,598 --> 00:33:47,419
of 176. And so as I was thinking about that comprehensive plan, it didn't take me

512
00:33:47,448 --> 00:33:53,404
very long to realize the goal that everyone wanted was things

513
00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:58,968
are awesome and ideal and the gold standard of what cities want to do north of

514
00:33:59,089 --> 00:34:01,698
176. Who does not love being downtown?

515
00:34:02,238 --> 00:34:07,188
We've spent many nights over at The Tavern and walking in the park, and it's

516
00:34:07,848 --> 00:34:12,048
awesome. It is phenomenal. It's fantastically done, and everyone should be jealous

517
00:34:12,108 --> 00:34:17,074
of it. Even me, who's from Arlington Heights, who has a nice downtown, but this

518
00:34:17,087 --> 00:34:23,029
one's way better. So understanding that, trying to duplicate that to the south

519
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:26,839
side of 176 is awesome. I think that is a great plan.

520
00:34:27,348 --> 00:34:31,819
So I want to take a quick look to see what is the business composition north of 176

521
00:34:32,029 --> 00:34:34,098
and what that would look like south of 176.

522
00:34:34,788 --> 00:34:39,512
So digging in a little bit, you've got that blue line above or at the very top, and

523
00:34:39,558 --> 00:34:42,589
those are a lot of the walking businesses and attractions.

524
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:46,908
You've got the Conscious Cup, Mickey Finn's, Memorial Park, Timothy O Toole's, The

525
00:34:46,938 --> 00:34:51,228
Tavern, a lot of places where it is very pedestrian-friendly to walk around.

526
00:34:52,458 --> 00:34:58,008
As you go below the blue line to the red line, that's where a lot of villages,

527
00:34:58,038 --> 00:35:02,478
they'll call it a transition area, where you transition closer to a busy

528
00:35:02,508 --> 00:35:08,118
intersection. And as we transition down towards 176, the businesses change.

529
00:35:08,328 --> 00:35:11,568
They go to drive-through businesses, quick-serve restaurants, convenient

530
00:35:11,598 --> 00:35:14,598
businesses. You have a Dunkin' Donuts, a Chipotle.

531
00:35:14,958 --> 00:35:17,418
Sorry, I meant to take off the Subway. I forgot to do that.

532
00:35:17,493 --> 00:35:20,523
That's not there anymore. A gas station. You got dry cleaners.

533
00:35:20,898 --> 00:35:23,598
These are a lot more of a quick serve-

534
00:35:23,703 --> 00:35:23,703
Yeah

535
00:35:23,703 --> 00:35:27,288
... quick business that you're not walking to.

536
00:35:28,518 --> 00:35:34,368
So if we were to just take that and transpose it below 176, it would look a

537
00:35:34,428 --> 00:35:38,793
little bit like this. Red line to the blue line, that would be your drive-through,

538
00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:41,808
quick-serve restaurants, convenience store businesses.

539
00:35:41,853 --> 00:35:45,768
And then below that blue line, that would be the walking attraction businesses.

540
00:35:46,728 --> 00:35:52,368
So there are two things I think of when I look at this.

541
00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:55,398
And the first being is

542
00:35:57,108 --> 00:36:00,828
the comprehensive plan is a beautiful plan, and I would do it myself.

543
00:36:00,978 --> 00:36:05,779
It is going to be great to watch and experience when it's all done and complete.

544
00:36:06,768 --> 00:36:06,978
The

545
00:36:08,658 --> 00:36:14,478
question becomes, the comprehensive plan is a goal, it's a vision, it's a view

546
00:36:14,538 --> 00:36:19,188
for what we want for below 176, south of 176.

547
00:36:20,388 --> 00:36:24,243
Now that's about a three-quarter mile stretch of two sides of the street, and

548
00:36:24,258 --> 00:36:28,788
that's a lot of businesses to fill with walking, pedestrian-friendly businesses.

549
00:36:28,818 --> 00:36:34,308
That's a lot of business to fill. So if there is a chance

550
00:36:35,208 --> 00:36:40,428
of approving a business that is not a walking business, not a pedestrian-friendly

551
00:36:40,518 --> 00:36:46,158
business, you would want to make that exception in that transition zone in between

552
00:36:46,248 --> 00:36:50,449
the 176 and the blue line. The south side of 176 and the blue line.

553
00:36:50,538 --> 00:36:55,279
That's where you'd want to stick those non-pedestrian friendly

554
00:36:55,338 --> 00:37:01,080
businesses. And the main reason, in my opinion at least, is it's going to be- ...

555
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:07,110
pretty hard to connect north of 176 to the south side of 176 with walking

556
00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:10,680
traffic. I know some people do it. I know a lot of people don't.

557
00:37:11,221 --> 00:37:16,650
I think a lot of people opt to drive from one side of 176 to the other because that

558
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:22,230
is a very busy intersection. So my only point of view or

559
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,690
thought to offer is that if there is going to be an exception, which I think

560
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:32,640
inevitably there would be at some time, because that's a lot of land to fill for

561
00:37:32,655 --> 00:37:34,545
walking businesses,

562
00:37:35,851 --> 00:37:39,795
you should make the exception in that transition zone just south of 176.

563
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:43,741
And selfishly, that is where we find where this property is.

564
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,745
So, with that, I think I'm all done-

565
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:48,360
Okay

566
00:37:48,375 --> 00:37:49,139
... for the time being.

567
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:49,304
Thank you.

568
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,870
I think that was the last slide, and I will open it up for questions, or tell me to

569
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:56,910
sit back down, or whatever you'd like.

570
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,835
Well, first, the next part in the process is, is there anyone in the audience that

571
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,540
wishes to provide public comment on agenda item 4A?

572
00:38:07,351 --> 00:38:10,500
Yes, could you step forward, please, to the mic and identify yourself?

573
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,741
I haven't filled out the form.

574
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,860
Yeah, you can fill it out as you're coming up. Thank you.

575
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:20,730
That's 4A.

576
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,070
Thank you. I want to remind you that all public comment is timed by three minutes.

577
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,360
We have it up here on the screen. And because this is being video recorded, could

578
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:59,190
you state your name again for the record?

579
00:39:00,030 --> 00:39:03,570
My name's Barbara Inga. I live at 130 McKinley Avenue.

580
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:04,050
Thank you.

581
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:08,655
Three minutes is not enough to address all the misrepresentation from this

582
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:12,870
applicant. Sunnyside Place was built in 1910.

583
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:17,971
That street is way too narrow. It has petite parkways, 36 inches deep.

584
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:20,370
You are very close to the street already.

585
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,770
When you come off Milwaukee Avenue and make a right onto Sunnyside Place, there's a

586
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:28,830
wide radius required, or you're going to be over the curb.

587
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,880
So you are automatically over the center line, right where they're going to come

588
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:35,325
out, and people are going to try to come in.

589
00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:39,991
I've been a nurse anesthetist at Condell Medical Center, which is now a trauma

590
00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:42,765
center, for many years, and I took trauma call.

591
00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:49,110
And Stewart Avenue is a primary corridor for our 25 to 50

592
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:53,760
ambulances per day, and there's something called door to device.

593
00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:58,230
So if somebody's having a heart attack, there's a limited amount of time that that

594
00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:02,760
patient needs to get to the cath lab and get that vessel open.

595
00:40:03,991 --> 00:40:06,601
For the stroke patient, there's door to needle.

596
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,150
There's a fixed amount of time that that patient has to get to the emergency room

597
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:16,650
and receive clot-busting medication. There's something called the golden hour.

598
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:22,830
I did anesthesia for 30 years, and that patient has 60 minutes

599
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:27,241
from the impact of the accident if they have an internal bleed for that surgeon to

600
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:31,110
get in there and open them and find the bleed and help them.

601
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,260
And the last thing we want is 350 to 1,400 cars injected into this neighborhood.

602
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,971
That trauma center is not going away. The ER has been doubled, tripled.

603
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:47,444
The ICU's doubled, tripled. And the metrics are not

604
00:40:47,491 --> 00:40:53,340
represented. Gurnee has 45 car queue, 28 vacs, 82,000

605
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,190
square feet. Milwaukee Avenue site has 42,000 square feet, 42

606
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,260
car queue, 18 vacs.

607
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,385
Could you repeat that again? Sorry.

608
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:04,425
They have a 170-foot tunnel.

609
00:41:04,425 --> 00:41:08,101
Wind that back. I'll have her go back to it. The speakers were interesting to me.

610
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,995
I'll just ask if you wind it back, but I'm sorry to interrupt. We'll get it.

611
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:13,620
The numbers that you were referencing, Gurnee and-

612
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:14,310
I'm sorry.

613
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:15,241
Just repeat that.

614
00:41:15,601 --> 00:41:19,830
Okay. I'm using the metrics from Gurnee because we don't have them appropriately

615
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:24,570
represented here. The metrics at Gurnee are, that's a 45-car queue.

616
00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:28,800
Here, they want a 42-car queue, 28 vacs, 18 vacs.

617
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:33,210
This is actually short vacuums, which means people, the 10 to 15% that want a

618
00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:34,890
vacuum, they're going to have to wait.

619
00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:41,280
And there's no space on this lot, which is 42,000 square feet. It's half the size.

620
00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:47,520
I live 250 feet from 211 South Milwaukee Avenue, and I personally took pictures of

621
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:49,860
those dying, dead, poor condition trees.

622
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:55,890
They're mature, 60, 80 feet, beautiful canopies, dense

623
00:41:55,980 --> 00:42:01,290
foliage. I found one tree in those 10 that showed some possible wear.

624
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:02,610
It would've given them-

625
00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:07,380
I know, but let's not harp on that because I can go back with staff to verify the

626
00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:08,280
arborist report.

627
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:08,325
Okay.

628
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:14,310
The representation was that 10 of the trees were in poor condition based on

629
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:17,880
the evaluation of an arborist. So we can verify that.

630
00:42:17,925 --> 00:42:17,925
Okay.

631
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:19,200
That's easily verifiable.

632
00:42:19,351 --> 00:42:19,560
Okay.

633
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:20,310
Thank you.

634
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:22,065
Oh, I don't... Okay.

635
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:26,400
Go ahead real quickly and summarize, but don't take another three minutes.

636
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:27,000
Okay.

637
00:42:27,015 --> 00:42:28,471
But go ahead and summarize because you

638
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,471
were interrupted by a couple of questions.

639
00:42:31,741 --> 00:42:32,610
Sorry. Thank you.

640
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:33,241
That's okay.

641
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,410
Quality over quantity.

642
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:34,890
That's okay.

643
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,160
Pie Hole's Yelp reviews over 43 years is a dismal 2.7,

644
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,110
and the number one quality is they do not stand behind anything.

645
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,360
I submitted a public comment letter, and there is a page and a half of quotes of

646
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:54,690
disgruntled people that they have not taken care of.

647
00:42:59,250 --> 00:43:03,510
The access drives, the two that they're referring to, I don't see anybody coming

648
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:07,230
and going in those, and that's just from being there.

649
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,500
The traffic study was done March 26th, which is the Thursday of our spring break.

650
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:17,310
The Thursday of our spring break and the Saturday of our spring break.

651
00:43:17,325 --> 00:43:22,170
And I know that those times were delayed because no one in my neighborhood will go

652
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,914
and try to go south or north on Milwaukee Avenue in certain times of the day, and

653
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:30,630
the delays were half of what they usually are.

654
00:43:30,809 --> 00:43:33,870
Okay. Now, I'll give you a little latitude, but I have to be consistent.

655
00:43:33,914 --> 00:43:33,914
Okay.

656
00:43:33,989 --> 00:43:35,580
So make your final two words.

657
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:36,030
Thank you.

658
00:43:36,495 --> 00:43:36,495
Thank you.

659
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:41,130
And the last thing, for sound, the vacuums are going to run 14 hours a day.

660
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:45,750
Each of them is 70 decibels. The vacuums, the frequency of those is what bothers

661
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:49,530
the human ear, which you can't avoid or shut out with a residential window.

662
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:50,700
Thank you.

663
00:43:50,971 --> 00:43:56,430
Thank you, Barbara. I'm trying to see in the packet of

664
00:43:56,550 --> 00:44:01,530
comments that we received to review, when did you submit yours?

665
00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:03,450
I have-

666
00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:09,480
Because I went through a lot, and I don't recall. Oh, here it is. Yes, it is. Inga.

667
00:44:09,991 --> 00:44:15,360
Okay. On 130... Yeah, I see it now. Okay. That was you. I understood that.

668
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:21,270
Okay, thank you. So I wanted to verify for you, we did

669
00:44:21,330 --> 00:44:27,255
receive a packet of comments that were presented by various residents on this

670
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:33,090
issue in our packets, and I do have from you the dangerous

671
00:44:33,180 --> 00:44:36,930
wide turns, the omitted street widths. I did read through that.

672
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:37,471
Okay.

673
00:44:37,815 --> 00:44:41,010
Okay? So I just want to assure you, we did get that. Yes, sir.

674
00:44:41,955 --> 00:44:41,955
Yes.

675
00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:45,210
Did you fill out the form while you were sitting there? Thank you. Okay.

676
00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:46,800
Thank you.

677
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,976
Step forward to the mic and state your name for the record, please, and I am going

678
00:44:51,991 --> 00:44:54,000
to keep you to the three minutes, Michael. Thank you.

679
00:44:54,270 --> 00:44:54,480
Yep.

680
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:58,995
Michael Furlong, Churchill, Quinn, Hamilton & Van Duizender.

681
00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:04,440
I represent Graham Enterprises, Inc., the proprietor of the 176 Station at

682
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:04,920
Milwaukee.

683
00:45:05,101 --> 00:45:06,360
You represent Graham? Okay.

684
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:06,721
Correct.

685
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:08,130
Yes, I understand.

686
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:12,270
So, I just would ask the board to consider

687
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,130
the standards for special use permits pursuant to the ordinance at

688
00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:23,010
26-16-9.5, and to

689
00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:28,230
recognize the lack of discussion of adverse impact on surrounding

690
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:33,270
property owners. Obviously, this is going to be a car wash next to a car wash

691
00:45:33,330 --> 00:45:35,310
that's two buildings up the street.

692
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:42,030
So for that reason alone, I think the adverse impact on the

693
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:43,920
neighboring property owner

694
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,300
justifies a denial of the special use permit.

695
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:50,971
And also to highlight that

696
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,070
the application doesn't establish a public need for a car wash

697
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,330
at that location in Libertyville.

698
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,605
So for those reasons, under the applicable ordinance, I don't think that the

699
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,460
application meets the standards for issuance of a special use permit.

700
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:08,550
Mm-hmm.

701
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:11,010
So thank you for your consideration.

702
00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:11,400
Thank you.

703
00:46:14,292 --> 00:46:18,026
Is there anyone else that wishes to provide public comment on this issue, motioned

704
00:46:18,312 --> 00:46:23,112
item 4A? Okay. Yes, sir. Step on up.

705
00:46:23,532 --> 00:46:25,272
Did you complete the form? Thank you.

706
00:46:25,902 --> 00:46:25,916
I filled out my form.

707
00:46:25,962 --> 00:46:27,222
Yes, thank you. Huh?

708
00:46:27,643 --> 00:46:28,873
I turned it in earlier.

709
00:46:28,962 --> 00:46:32,172
Oh, okay. And you are... I apologize. Did we miss you?

710
00:46:33,432 --> 00:46:34,302
Okay.

711
00:46:35,143 --> 00:46:37,812
My name is Mario Weber. I'm the property owner at 211.

712
00:46:38,623 --> 00:46:41,292
Oh, yeah. There you are. I apologize for that. Go ahead.

713
00:46:41,322 --> 00:46:46,692
Good evening, mayor, trustees. So, I'm here for a little bit of a market analysis

714
00:46:46,752 --> 00:46:47,832
and to give you my opinion-

715
00:46:48,162 --> 00:46:48,252
Yes

716
00:46:48,312 --> 00:46:49,873
... and the background of what's been going on there.

717
00:46:49,962 --> 00:46:55,241
So I bought this property about seven years ago, and I purchased it for a long-term

718
00:46:55,572 --> 00:46:57,732
family investment. There was Advance Auto Parts there.

719
00:46:58,062 --> 00:46:58,123
Yes.

720
00:46:58,152 --> 00:47:00,702
It was a 25-year lease. It was a triple net deal.

721
00:47:01,482 --> 00:47:03,566
When I bought it, I was shown tons of documents.

722
00:47:03,672 --> 00:47:07,452
I was told this was one of the highest grossing Advance Auto Parts in Northern

723
00:47:07,512 --> 00:47:11,337
Illinois. There was 22 car dealers obviously on that strip, which are big

724
00:47:11,352 --> 00:47:12,852
customers, which is a no-brainer.

725
00:47:13,123 --> 00:47:13,302
Yeah.

726
00:47:13,692 --> 00:47:16,302
And then of course, this wonderful thing called COVID hit.

727
00:47:16,662 --> 00:47:21,357
And between that and bad management, and unfortunately they found a loophole, and

728
00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:22,692
they were able to get out of the lease.

729
00:47:22,782 --> 00:47:26,862
So as you know now, it's been vacant now, it's probably a couple of years now.

730
00:47:26,893 --> 00:47:27,192
Yeah.

731
00:47:28,212 --> 00:47:31,542
I have tried for over two years to try to lease that place.

732
00:47:31,932 --> 00:47:37,018
But unfortunately, as the world is now, 25,000 square foot buildings are almost

733
00:47:37,062 --> 00:47:41,862
impossible to find a user. As they call them white elephants, and they're just

734
00:47:41,893 --> 00:47:44,772
really hard to do things. And we have had everything.

735
00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:47,742
We've had stuff that for sure I didn't want to bring to you guys.

736
00:47:47,772 --> 00:47:51,867
We've had body shops, we've had used car dealers, we've had all kinds of stuff that

737
00:47:52,302 --> 00:47:55,902
I didn't even proceed into an LOI because I knew that we were going nowhere.

738
00:47:56,712 --> 00:48:01,602
So finally, Papas had approached us, and before I even entertained a contract, I

739
00:48:01,632 --> 00:48:04,002
went to go visit a couple of his locations.

740
00:48:04,422 --> 00:48:07,962
And I got to tell you, first when I heard car wash, I'm like, "Who is this guy?

741
00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:09,357
Back of the alley car. What are they doing?

742
00:48:09,432 --> 00:48:13,377
Hand car washes and that." I went to this place in Gurnee, and this is

743
00:48:13,393 --> 00:48:18,027
multi-million dollar operations. These guys are serious. They do the right thing.

744
00:48:18,402 --> 00:48:21,162
He mentioned flowers. They weren't kidding. There's trees, there's flowers.

745
00:48:21,373 --> 00:48:22,977
They're really nice. Really nice operation.

746
00:48:23,022 --> 00:48:25,722
So at that point, we considered to go forward.

747
00:48:26,967 --> 00:48:30,282
The shameful part would be is when Advance was there, it was generating millions

748
00:48:30,312 --> 00:48:33,012
and millions of dollars of tax revenue for the city.

749
00:48:33,447 --> 00:48:36,657
And now it's generating nothing. And it's been generating nothing for a couple of

750
00:48:36,672 --> 00:48:40,768
years. So, the decision, I know there's people that obviously aren't all happy, and

751
00:48:40,782 --> 00:48:43,452
everybody's not excited. There's not people jumping up and down for every use.

752
00:48:43,542 --> 00:48:47,623
But I would tell you, if this doesn't pass, it might be another couple of years

753
00:48:47,652 --> 00:48:50,502
before I find somebody, and it still generates no money.

754
00:48:50,772 --> 00:48:53,907
These guys have a major operation that they can put a couple million dollars of

755
00:48:53,982 --> 00:48:57,132
sales every year, and really help the city fill their coffers.

756
00:48:57,192 --> 00:49:02,802
So, for that, that's what I can speak to, of what I can testify to what I've seen.

757
00:49:02,862 --> 00:49:06,627
I know about their operation. I've visited a couple of their locations, and they're

758
00:49:06,643 --> 00:49:11,382
really the real deal. They're not fly-by-nighters and they take it very seriously.

759
00:49:13,182 --> 00:49:15,687
The last thing I will make a comment to is I've been through a lot of these with

760
00:49:15,732 --> 00:49:19,977
some other villages and cities in my past, in that when they make comments about

761
00:49:20,022 --> 00:49:24,447
from the community, the noise, the traffic, this and that, it seems like Mr.

762
00:49:24,762 --> 00:49:26,802
Stone has really taken it seriously.

763
00:49:26,862 --> 00:49:31,287
Like the last one I attended, he mentioned there's a second floor window, and it

764
00:49:31,332 --> 00:49:35,382
was going to obviously disturb their bathroom or their bedroom.

765
00:49:35,442 --> 00:49:40,152
And they went and revamped all their plans, extended the tunnel, spent a ton of

766
00:49:40,182 --> 00:49:44,502
money on architect, probably on changing things to really to listen, and obviously

767
00:49:44,532 --> 00:49:47,202
didn't just come here and say, "Well, too bad. That's what it is. It is what it is.

768
00:49:47,232 --> 00:49:52,407
Deal with it." So I think they're really trying to play ball fairly and that would

769
00:49:52,422 --> 00:49:54,432
be my comment on our property and-

770
00:49:55,393 --> 00:49:56,022
Thank you, Mario

771
00:49:56,037 --> 00:49:56,202
... we'll see how it goes.

772
00:49:56,292 --> 00:49:57,971
Just for a minute, before you leave.

773
00:49:58,123 --> 00:49:58,332
Sure.

774
00:49:58,962 --> 00:50:00,342
I want to verify. So,

775
00:50:01,572 --> 00:50:05,262
when it got to the planning and zoning level, I know that there was a May meeting,

776
00:50:05,292 --> 00:50:10,393
and there was a July meeting. So can you, since this video recorded for the record,

777
00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:15,312
can you verify, Heather, that there were some modifications and changes made as

778
00:50:15,342 --> 00:50:16,182
he's representing?

779
00:50:16,873 --> 00:50:20,262
Yes. There were a number of changes between the two meetings.

780
00:50:20,952 --> 00:50:26,442
They did extend the structure at the exit of the facility,

781
00:50:27,582 --> 00:50:30,373
as was mentioned, in an attempt to

782
00:50:32,022 --> 00:50:34,062
respond to some of the sound concerns.

783
00:50:34,393 --> 00:50:34,407
Okay.

784
00:50:34,782 --> 00:50:37,873
They also added some additional landscaping.

785
00:50:38,292 --> 00:50:41,143
They changed the turning movements at the exits.

786
00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:44,802
And they relocated the

787
00:50:46,542 --> 00:50:52,512
trash enclosure. That eliminated the text amendment, and they modified some

788
00:50:52,572 --> 00:50:55,512
signage. So they were responsive in a number of ways

789
00:50:56,862 --> 00:50:58,586
to some of the comments that were there.

790
00:50:58,617 --> 00:51:02,652
And did some of that, and forgive me, because I'm reading comments.

791
00:51:02,742 --> 00:51:03,582
I'm reading summary.

792
00:51:03,612 --> 00:51:03,687
Yep.

793
00:51:04,062 --> 00:51:08,502
Trying to put it all together. Was there any modifications or changes in terms of

794
00:51:08,532 --> 00:51:11,652
the sound barrier with the vacuuming piece that we talked about?

795
00:51:11,862 --> 00:51:16,902
Yeah. So they extended the tunnel at the end. That was one of the things they did.

796
00:51:17,682 --> 00:51:23,353
They did also modify the fencing, or as they call it, the sound wall,

797
00:51:24,192 --> 00:51:29,472
the height of it, to some extent. So that was a couple of things that they did

798
00:51:29,952 --> 00:51:33,582
to attempt to address some of the sound concerns.

799
00:51:33,672 --> 00:51:35,772
Okay. Thank you for that.

800
00:51:36,103 --> 00:51:36,432
Yeah.

801
00:51:36,462 --> 00:51:36,702
Thank you.

802
00:51:36,913 --> 00:51:38,503
If I could just steal 10 more seconds.

803
00:51:38,592 --> 00:51:38,892
Yes. Yeah, go ahead.

804
00:51:39,163 --> 00:51:41,832
I just want to make another real estate comment really quick.

805
00:51:42,462 --> 00:51:46,212
Besides my property that's obviously for sale, there's one kitty corner, if you go

806
00:51:46,242 --> 00:51:48,522
a little bit further south, that's for sale.

807
00:51:48,913 --> 00:51:50,623
There's a little building on it, but it's all vacant.

808
00:51:50,697 --> 00:51:52,721
And then obviously the one across from the Shell station.

809
00:51:52,812 --> 00:51:55,873
So, there's still a lot of parcels that are empty.

810
00:51:56,772 --> 00:51:59,667
I may be, before this doesn't happen, I may be before the committee, I don't know

811
00:51:59,682 --> 00:52:03,222
in Chicago how it works, if you have a vacant property for a long time, sometimes

812
00:52:03,253 --> 00:52:05,712
they start condemnations to tear it down.

813
00:52:05,922 --> 00:52:08,471
Because it's a big, ugly building, that obviously there's nothing going on.

814
00:52:08,562 --> 00:52:13,722
So, hopefully, if this passes tonight, this gentleman will have the chance to make

815
00:52:13,753 --> 00:52:14,712
it beautiful once again.

816
00:52:15,492 --> 00:52:16,092
All right. Thank you.

817
00:52:16,123 --> 00:52:16,753
Thank you for your time.

818
00:52:16,962 --> 00:52:21,402
Thank you, Mario. Is there anyone else who wishes to provide public comment before

819
00:52:21,462 --> 00:52:23,532
I turn it over to the board for comment?

820
00:52:25,003 --> 00:52:29,623
You will have an opportunity if you want to clarify or rebuttal for things. Yes.

821
00:52:30,732 --> 00:52:33,971
Okay. So I'll start with you, Trustee Hannan.

822
00:52:34,016 --> 00:52:36,853
Yeah. My daughter, Ariel, my daughter lives on the same street.

823
00:52:36,913 --> 00:52:38,322
Yeah, I know she does. Right.

824
00:52:38,413 --> 00:52:44,142
So it's a busy corner off of 176. And I read through the packet, and

825
00:52:45,012 --> 00:52:48,312
I was excited when we heard that there was something going to happen to that

826
00:52:48,373 --> 00:52:51,163
property because it's needed it for a number of years.

827
00:52:51,792 --> 00:52:52,181
But,

828
00:52:53,442 --> 00:52:57,297
and I read through everything from planning and zoning and the comments that the

829
00:52:57,373 --> 00:52:58,123
residents have.

830
00:52:58,542 --> 00:52:58,647
Mm-hmm.

831
00:52:59,742 --> 00:53:03,312
To me, I don't think it's the right fit for that piece of property.

832
00:53:03,942 --> 00:53:04,753
It's very tight.

833
00:53:06,103 --> 00:53:07,962
The streets are small over in that area.

834
00:53:08,383 --> 00:53:14,052
In my mind, I think it'll end up being more of a nuisance than a good

835
00:53:14,082 --> 00:53:18,192
product. And I feel bad for the property owner that that's the situation with that

836
00:53:18,282 --> 00:53:21,447
property, but, and we've got other properties in LaGrange that you've mentioned

837
00:53:21,492 --> 00:53:25,123
along Milwaukee Avenue that have that same problem.

838
00:53:26,112 --> 00:53:29,472
But I think at this point in time, I don't know that I can support a car wash.

839
00:53:29,892 --> 00:53:31,603
Okay. Trustee Garrity.

840
00:53:32,562 --> 00:53:36,342
Well, I do know in this world, we always have to be careful what we wish for.

841
00:53:36,432 --> 00:53:36,853
However,

842
00:53:38,292 --> 00:53:43,422
in the case of this project, it's been vetted very deeply by the planning

843
00:53:43,482 --> 00:53:49,092
commission and the ZBA, and it came back denial 6-0,

844
00:53:50,442 --> 00:53:56,097
and I see no reason to go any differently than planning and

845
00:53:56,172 --> 00:53:58,062
zoning and ZBA.

846
00:53:59,232 --> 00:54:00,792
Okay, thank you. Trustee Crumb.

847
00:54:01,362 --> 00:54:03,942
Thank you, Mayor. Couple questions for the petitioner.

848
00:54:05,082 --> 00:54:05,637
Yeah, go ahead.

849
00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:06,642
Help me understand why-

850
00:54:06,702 --> 00:54:07,302
Joe, come on up

851
00:54:07,317 --> 00:54:10,797
... yeah, please, come on up. First of all, I want to tell you,

852
00:54:12,432 --> 00:54:14,353
thanks to Trustee Garrity, I went to the right one.

853
00:54:14,442 --> 00:54:15,672
I initially went to the wrong car wash.

854
00:54:15,762 --> 00:54:16,633
I went to the one up like-

855
00:54:17,682 --> 00:54:18,072
Oh, wow

856
00:54:18,087 --> 00:54:20,038
... it was Grand, almost Waukegan.

857
00:54:20,652 --> 00:54:22,663
Oh, no, that's Trio. That's what that is.

858
00:54:22,707 --> 00:54:23,772
Yes. No.

859
00:54:23,817 --> 00:54:24,103
Tsunami.

860
00:54:24,192 --> 00:54:24,942
It's Tsunami.

861
00:54:25,482 --> 00:54:25,663
Oh.

862
00:54:25,812 --> 00:54:26,112
Yeah.

863
00:54:26,172 --> 00:54:27,192
Oh yeah, that's off there.

864
00:54:27,222 --> 00:54:28,887
Yeah. And he's like, "No, you went to the wrong one."

865
00:54:28,902 --> 00:54:29,082
No.

866
00:54:29,202 --> 00:54:30,312
I did go there.

867
00:54:30,373 --> 00:54:30,522
Oh.

868
00:54:30,582 --> 00:54:31,722
It's a beautiful car wash.

869
00:54:31,842 --> 00:54:32,067
Thank you.

870
00:54:32,082 --> 00:54:35,532
It's quite an operation. So kudos to that. You guys are growing a fine business.

871
00:54:35,592 --> 00:54:37,992
It sounds like you're good employers and good stewards, hopefully.

872
00:54:39,103 --> 00:54:42,133
So thank you for bringing that to our community to consider.

873
00:54:42,552 --> 00:54:43,092
That being said,

874
00:54:44,503 --> 00:54:46,633
there was a question I just wanted you to clarify.

875
00:54:46,722 --> 00:54:52,663
I believe you stated last time that this development was going to improve traffic

876
00:54:52,722 --> 00:54:53,623
on Milwaukee Avenue.

877
00:54:53,832 --> 00:54:55,212
Yes, sir.

878
00:54:55,452 --> 00:54:56,682
Tell me how that's going to happen.

879
00:54:57,432 --> 00:55:01,902
According to my engineer, my traffic engineer, and the village's engineer who

880
00:55:01,962 --> 00:55:06,192
agreed with his assessment, is by closing off the two driveways off Milwaukee, it

881
00:55:06,253 --> 00:55:08,052
improves traffic flow off Milwaukee.

882
00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:11,728
And when you improve traffic flow off Milwaukee, all the

883
00:55:12,972 --> 00:55:15,942
... accessory streets surrounding Milwaukee also improve.

884
00:55:16,212 --> 00:55:17,322
That was their assessment.

885
00:55:17,592 --> 00:55:20,652
So by closing off the two curb cuts that are on-

886
00:55:20,892 --> 00:55:21,642
Yes, correct

887
00:55:21,672 --> 00:55:23,128
... the front of the gas pumps. Okay.

888
00:55:23,142 --> 00:55:26,232
Which makes sense when you think about it, because how-

889
00:55:26,623 --> 00:55:27,612
Partially, I get you

890
00:55:27,792 --> 00:55:29,952
Yeah. How hard is it to get a curb cut from IDOT?

891
00:55:30,853 --> 00:55:31,887
They don't give them, and that's why.

892
00:55:31,902 --> 00:55:35,142
So instead of using those curb cuts, you would then put traffic onto Sunnyside or

893
00:55:35,172 --> 00:55:35,652
McKinney?

894
00:55:35,772 --> 00:55:40,272
For the first, it was 150 feet until they get into our facility.

895
00:55:40,452 --> 00:55:40,587
Okay.

896
00:55:40,603 --> 00:55:42,012
Yes, they would direct onto that

897
00:55:43,932 --> 00:55:46,152
street to come in, and then leave back onto Milwaukee.

898
00:55:46,753 --> 00:55:49,797
Okay. Well, you have some good consultants. I know Dr.

899
00:55:50,082 --> 00:55:55,633
Thunder and family have a good reputation, so I kind of follow their guidance.

900
00:55:57,792 --> 00:56:01,302
Many of us on the board here were part of the South Milwaukee Corridor study.

901
00:56:01,332 --> 00:56:01,917
It was something that-

902
00:56:01,992 --> 00:56:02,217
Mm-hmm

903
00:56:02,217 --> 00:56:03,087
... near and dear to our hearts-

904
00:56:03,222 --> 00:56:03,327
Yep

905
00:56:03,327 --> 00:56:04,032
... and advanced.

906
00:56:05,383 --> 00:56:11,142
I will say that our former director of development, John Spoden,

907
00:56:11,353 --> 00:56:14,022
probably disliked me at the end because I kept hammering on him, "When are we going

908
00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:18,957
to get this thing done?" And he did a great job finishing it up, and Heather's now

909
00:56:19,003 --> 00:56:19,603
the steward of it.

910
00:56:20,832 --> 00:56:24,133
But there were some very specific things in there that we had called out for the

911
00:56:24,163 --> 00:56:27,942
development of that corridor. I understand what you're saying regarding, this is in

912
00:56:27,972 --> 00:56:32,832
downtown Milwaukee Avenue. And I also say we can't lead from our heart.

913
00:56:33,103 --> 00:56:34,932
Like, "I don't like this. I don't think it's a good fit."

914
00:56:35,353 --> 00:56:35,366
Mm-hmm.

915
00:56:35,383 --> 00:56:39,012
I look at it more abstract, like what did we put in that corridor study that was

916
00:56:39,133 --> 00:56:41,623
the breadcrumbs for you to follow?

917
00:56:42,432 --> 00:56:43,452
And a couple of the things

918
00:56:45,012 --> 00:56:46,092
I just wanted to call out.

919
00:56:46,302 --> 00:56:46,572
Yep.

920
00:56:47,442 --> 00:56:50,591
The materials. We specifically said in there

921
00:56:51,792 --> 00:56:57,012
metallic metal or steel material should not be used on the elevation.

922
00:56:57,342 --> 00:56:57,492
Right.

923
00:56:57,822 --> 00:57:02,202
You're showing a large portion of your elevation is aluminum panel.

924
00:57:02,442 --> 00:57:02,652
Mm-hmm.

925
00:57:03,478 --> 00:57:07,991
Which is contrary to what we stated in the South Milwaukee Corridor study.

926
00:57:08,742 --> 00:57:12,942
We specifically stated earth tones. We showed examples of grays and browns.

927
00:57:13,482 --> 00:57:18,192
We showed tans and browns. You're showing grays and these kind of bluish colors.

928
00:57:18,253 --> 00:57:18,387
Mm-hmm.

929
00:57:19,302 --> 00:57:21,373
We specifically called for wall offsets.

930
00:57:21,582 --> 00:57:25,392
Your wall offsets are 95 feet apart, if I look at your columns right and the way

931
00:57:25,422 --> 00:57:29,742
they're dimensioned. So the repetition, the desire for those offsets, as we showed

932
00:57:29,772 --> 00:57:34,121
in the examples, aren't there. And then you mentioned the one that I thought was

933
00:57:34,152 --> 00:57:37,062
interesting, because I noticed it when I was up in Gurnee.

934
00:57:37,482 --> 00:57:42,267
Your building's really shiny. And you could even see the reflection in Google

935
00:57:42,373 --> 00:57:46,452
Images of the light fixture off of your panel, because those are red.

936
00:57:46,482 --> 00:57:47,232
They're really vibrant.

937
00:57:47,262 --> 00:57:47,367
Mm-hmm.

938
00:57:48,133 --> 00:57:52,542
Again, in the study, we specifically said no shiny materials.

939
00:57:52,603 --> 00:57:56,142
We wanted subdued earthy materials. So I'm going to give you every shot at this.

940
00:57:56,202 --> 00:57:56,413
Mm-hmm.

941
00:57:56,532 --> 00:58:00,222
But there are breadcrumbs that we put there that are completely disregarded.

942
00:58:00,642 --> 00:58:04,032
And so I think that's one thing, Heather, we have to have a discussion with the ARC

943
00:58:04,092 --> 00:58:07,633
on, because they seem to miss the boat on that.

944
00:58:08,503 --> 00:58:11,922
Because I think the ARC voted in affirmative, if I recall.

945
00:58:11,952 --> 00:58:12,342
Yes, they did.

946
00:58:12,582 --> 00:58:12,702
Yeah.

947
00:58:12,762 --> 00:58:13,332
Correct me.

948
00:58:13,347 --> 00:58:13,753
Unanimously.

949
00:58:13,812 --> 00:58:18,672
But the architecture materials are completely counter to what we called out for in

950
00:58:18,702 --> 00:58:19,212
the study.

951
00:58:20,503 --> 00:58:22,633
I also tend to agree with the attorney that was up here earlier.

952
00:58:23,322 --> 00:58:29,291
The arguments that we put forth in the special use, you can't just say, "Is

953
00:58:29,322 --> 00:58:32,472
this going to be a burden to the residents?" I'm making that up.

954
00:58:33,402 --> 00:58:34,782
I don't believe it's going to be a burden to the residents.

955
00:58:34,842 --> 00:58:37,003
You got to tell me why, right? I want to hear a good argument.

956
00:58:37,873 --> 00:58:38,472
I'm all for

957
00:58:39,942 --> 00:58:43,107
bending a little bit and trying to put something where it might not be considered

958
00:58:43,152 --> 00:58:46,362
initially. But I think with some of these items

959
00:58:48,163 --> 00:58:52,242
that we hope to achieve, and there not being a strong argument formulated as to why

960
00:58:52,272 --> 00:58:56,832
we should look the other way or maybe examine a new route, I just can't get behind

961
00:58:56,847 --> 00:58:57,282
it.

962
00:58:57,402 --> 00:58:57,417
Mm-hmm.

963
00:58:58,032 --> 00:59:01,753
I'd love to see you all somewhere else in town that maybe doesn't have such

964
00:59:01,812 --> 00:59:05,112
restrictive architecture requirements, because I think you have a good business.

965
00:59:07,003 --> 00:59:10,992
But I just don't see it here. And I think with the South Milwaukee Corridor study,

966
00:59:12,702 --> 00:59:14,383
there's a vision there, and it's only a few years old.

967
00:59:14,442 --> 00:59:18,222
If that vision turns out to be BS in 10 years, then we really need to rethink that.

968
00:59:18,476 --> 00:59:22,123
But right now, we're just a few years into it, so I'd rather hold true to that

969
00:59:22,182 --> 00:59:23,082
study at this point.

970
00:59:23,592 --> 00:59:25,722
Okay. Well, I appreciate the comments, and

971
00:59:29,262 --> 00:59:34,572
as far as the looks of the building go, the appearance committee loved it.

972
00:59:34,932 --> 00:59:40,886
And as far as the-- If the only issue here was

973
00:59:40,902 --> 00:59:46,873
the aluminum composite paneling, which is kind of a matte metal, not highly

974
00:59:46,902 --> 00:59:52,512
reflective, that's an easy fix. We were looking at different

975
00:59:53,322 --> 00:59:54,282
concrete-type

976
00:59:56,112 --> 00:59:59,172
replacements for that. We just couldn't find one that we liked in time for this

977
00:59:59,232 --> 01:00:04,197
project. So we're like, "We love the trademark look that we had." So for us,

978
01:00:04,782 --> 01:00:10,603
that would be an easy fix. But it doesn't seem like that's necessarily the

979
01:00:11,413 --> 01:00:13,392
sticking point for you necessarily.

980
01:00:13,452 --> 01:00:15,342
No, I think it's a good conversation point.

981
01:00:15,552 --> 01:00:17,457
I do think there was a study that was authored-

982
01:00:17,742 --> 01:00:17,937
Mm-hmm

983
01:00:18,222 --> 01:00:19,782
... with the intent to be followed.

984
01:00:20,232 --> 01:00:20,503
And so

985
01:00:22,633 --> 01:00:25,873
I understand you have a prototype, and you want to go in a different direction, and

986
01:00:25,902 --> 01:00:29,503
that's fine. As for the use, I'm hit or miss.

987
01:00:30,402 --> 01:00:30,582
Yeah.

988
01:00:30,612 --> 01:00:32,592
There's a car wash right there. There's a gas station right there.

989
01:00:33,432 --> 01:00:37,092
But I would argue against the fact that it's not pedestrian-friendly.

990
01:00:37,152 --> 01:00:39,732
There's a lot of kids, there's a lot of children, there's a lot of families who

991
01:00:39,762 --> 01:00:43,302
live on Sunnyside. I used to live at the corner of Stewart and Sunnyside that use

992
01:00:43,362 --> 01:00:46,587
that as a pedestrian area. So as a community, we're trying to create a more

993
01:00:46,633 --> 01:00:47,832
pedestrian-friendly space there.

994
01:00:48,373 --> 01:00:50,472
I think your design kind of hits it a little bit, but

995
01:00:51,822 --> 01:00:56,772
again, there's too many counters to what we've put in that study to me, kind of

996
01:00:56,862 --> 01:00:57,103
like.

997
01:00:57,762 --> 01:00:58,302
Yeah, and

998
01:01:00,853 --> 01:01:06,027
as far as that study goes, when it comes to the appearance, we had adjusted several

999
01:01:06,042 --> 01:01:10,392
things, and we're letting the committee really lead that.

1000
01:01:10,407 --> 01:01:10,407
Yeah.

1001
01:01:10,512 --> 01:01:15,642
And when a small percentage of the building was aluminum composite, and they were

1002
01:01:15,702 --> 01:01:17,712
okay with that, we're like, "Okay, we're good.

1003
01:01:17,772 --> 01:01:22,167
So let's move forward." So anyway, I appreciate the comments, and like I said, if

1004
01:01:22,212 --> 01:01:24,402
that's a sticking point, it's not necessarily for us.

1005
01:01:24,522 --> 01:01:24,792
But

1006
01:01:26,142 --> 01:01:28,753
that doesn't seem like it's the only box for you that needs to be checked.

1007
01:01:30,342 --> 01:01:31,212
Thanks again for coming.

1008
01:01:31,242 --> 01:01:31,482
Yep.

1009
01:01:32,952 --> 01:01:34,542
Trustee McDonald.

1010
01:01:36,851 --> 01:01:37,182
I

1011
01:01:38,472 --> 01:01:40,753
appreciated the opportunity to meet this afternoon.

1012
01:01:40,782 --> 01:01:45,462
It was really nice to hear about the history of the company, and I've got great

1013
01:01:45,522 --> 01:01:47,232
respect for the business, for sure.

1014
01:01:48,222 --> 01:01:52,782
And I also have great respect for the collaboration and perseverance you've had

1015
01:01:52,812 --> 01:01:57,222
through this process. And Mr. Weber, I'm certainly sympathetic to your

1016
01:01:57,253 --> 01:01:58,212
circumstances.

1017
01:01:59,892 --> 01:02:05,353
I'm not comfortable that the standard for no adverse impact to the neighbors has

1018
01:02:05,383 --> 01:02:11,262
been met. And I also don't find the use to be a public benefit

1019
01:02:11,832 --> 01:02:17,592
for the neighborhood. So for those reasons, I'm not in support of moving

1020
01:02:17,623 --> 01:02:17,982
forward.

1021
01:02:19,603 --> 01:02:20,442
Trustee Hern.

1022
01:02:21,492 --> 01:02:26,322
So I appreciate the opportunity that you bring to the village and all the changes

1023
01:02:26,383 --> 01:02:29,142
that you've made to try to accommodate the neighborhood.

1024
01:02:29,562 --> 01:02:31,182
But for me, it really comes down to the site.

1025
01:02:32,413 --> 01:02:37,812
I think we're trying to fit too intensive of a use onto a property that just isn't

1026
01:02:37,842 --> 01:02:43,272
suited for it. I also give a lot of weight to the Plan Commission's unanimous

1027
01:02:43,362 --> 01:02:48,508
recommendation. And after reviewing the record for myself, I do agree with their

1028
01:02:48,582 --> 01:02:53,682
conclusion. When I weigh the proposal as a whole, I don't believe the benefits

1029
01:02:53,742 --> 01:02:58,272
outweigh the potential adverse impacts on the surrounding neighborhoods.

1030
01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:02,322
So for that reason, I can't support the car wash.

1031
01:03:04,753 --> 01:03:05,832
All right. Thank you.

1032
01:03:05,892 --> 01:03:06,221
Thank you.

1033
01:03:06,792 --> 01:03:11,052
Jo, did you have any comments you wanted to make as a result of what was stated?

1034
01:03:11,383 --> 01:03:12,432
It's totally up to you.

1035
01:03:19,452 --> 01:03:20,682
I know you-- Has it-

1036
01:03:21,373 --> 01:03:22,992
I've got my notes, but I'll just summarize.

1037
01:03:23,052 --> 01:03:24,373
Yeah. So

1038
01:03:25,962 --> 01:03:26,832
let me say,

1039
01:03:29,022 --> 01:03:31,992
in terms of the trustees in the village, we

1040
01:03:33,732 --> 01:03:37,932
have an issue of sensitive vacancies in our community.

1041
01:03:38,742 --> 01:03:44,292
And as the leader of the community, I'd like to see some of those vacancies

1042
01:03:44,413 --> 01:03:49,992
filled, not only for the purpose of complying with our zoning, but also, too, to

1043
01:03:50,052 --> 01:03:54,971
generate tax revenue for the services that our residents hold near and dear.

1044
01:03:55,032 --> 01:03:56,832
So this is very challenging.

1045
01:03:58,272 --> 01:04:02,172
I would like to, one, extend our

1046
01:04:03,612 --> 01:04:07,992
gratitude for you looking at our community as you wanted to expand your business.

1047
01:04:08,623 --> 01:04:13,788
I think what you've heard from the trustees, which is true That

1048
01:04:14,568 --> 01:04:19,158
there's some clear direction that was given when the whole concept came of

1049
01:04:19,188 --> 01:04:25,008
improving that corridor. And so for the owner and for you

1050
01:04:25,308 --> 01:04:30,709
with your good business model and wanting to fill the vacancy and not having a lot

1051
01:04:30,768 --> 01:04:35,118
of people coming up to show an interest in Mr.

1052
01:04:35,388 --> 01:04:40,068
Weber's property that would fit within our current zoning, it makes it really

1053
01:04:40,158 --> 01:04:46,008
challenging. So the message that we want to send as a board is, one

1054
01:04:46,248 --> 01:04:51,138
is if you are so inclined, I don't know if our staff has had an

1055
01:04:51,228 --> 01:04:56,748
opportunity to offer up any alternative sites that may be of interest to you.

1056
01:04:56,868 --> 01:05:00,798
If they've already done so, then I apologize for being repetitive.

1057
01:05:01,878 --> 01:05:07,848
I do think it's worthy to note that before we go forward with a motion, and I can

1058
01:05:07,908 --> 01:05:12,528
tell from the comments where our trustees are going, I think it's worthy to note

1059
01:05:12,588 --> 01:05:16,758
the things not only that we are giving you direction on, but the positive things as

1060
01:05:16,848 --> 01:05:22,398
well. When people come into our community and file a petition expressing interest

1061
01:05:22,848 --> 01:05:28,429
in coming to Libertyville, it resonates with our community cultural values that the

1062
01:05:28,489 --> 01:05:34,278
business owner doesn't just have a business for profit, but they do things to turn

1063
01:05:34,308 --> 01:05:36,888
that money around and invest it in good causes.

1064
01:05:37,008 --> 01:05:40,788
It did resonate with us, although it was a family member, it doesn't make your

1065
01:05:40,818 --> 01:05:45,588
cause any less important to donate money and support with leukemia.

1066
01:05:46,008 --> 01:05:47,748
Those are things that resonate with us.

1067
01:05:48,348 --> 01:05:54,199
So it would be our hope that if something does arise, that just because this one

1068
01:05:54,228 --> 01:05:59,209
didn't work, because our board felt collectively that that site, not you as

1069
01:05:59,268 --> 01:06:04,728
individuals, was a fit, that you would not scratch us off your list of

1070
01:06:04,758 --> 01:06:09,348
prospects. And I would like you to know that as a community, and this board

1071
01:06:09,438 --> 01:06:14,989
supports that, that our staff works very hard with giving people

1072
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:19,699
options on alternative sites that fit within the use and the opportunity.

1073
01:06:20,628 --> 01:06:25,998
I feel very badly for the owner because it is very tough to have a dated piece of

1074
01:06:26,028 --> 01:06:31,908
property that it's tough to attract people to come to fill that

1075
01:06:31,938 --> 01:06:36,888
vacancy. But I must tell you that the delicate balance that we have up here as

1076
01:06:36,918 --> 01:06:41,778
trustees is not only are we trying to do what we can for people that come to invest

1077
01:06:41,808 --> 01:06:46,638
in our community, but we also do what we can to support the vision that we have for

1078
01:06:46,668 --> 01:06:49,489
development in the southern corridor as well.

1079
01:06:49,908 --> 01:06:53,239
And so that's why decisions like this are very, very tough for us.

1080
01:06:54,138 --> 01:06:58,938
And so that's why as the leader of the community and the one presiding over this, I

1081
01:06:58,998 --> 01:07:03,318
wanted to convey that there were many things about what you do in your business

1082
01:07:03,408 --> 01:07:08,298
practices, the additional flowers, the different landscaping, and everything to

1083
01:07:08,358 --> 01:07:11,449
beautify the surrounding area resonates with us.

1084
01:07:11,508 --> 01:07:16,218
It's just that in terms of where we are in those plans, we didn't feel that it fit

1085
01:07:16,248 --> 01:07:22,008
for this site. So with that, I will start with the motion for

1086
01:07:22,188 --> 01:07:27,829
item 4A, which is a motion to

1087
01:07:30,258 --> 01:07:36,018
support the recommendation for denial of the special use permit and the

1088
01:07:36,108 --> 01:07:38,838
site plan permit as recommended by the

1089
01:07:40,728 --> 01:07:45,018
Planning Commission and the Zoning Board of Appeals by a vote of six to zero.

1090
01:07:45,888 --> 01:07:46,728
Do I have a motion?

1091
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:47,628
Second.

1092
01:07:47,929 --> 01:07:51,933
Okay, it's been moved on by Trustee Adams, seconded by Trustee Garrity.

1093
01:07:52,398 --> 01:07:54,782
Any further discussion on the motion?

1094
01:07:54,798 --> 01:07:57,362
Hearing no further discussion, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll?

1095
01:07:57,739 --> 01:07:58,338
Trustee Adams?

1096
01:07:58,429 --> 01:07:59,538
Aye.

1097
01:07:59,612 --> 01:07:59,959
Trustee Garrity?

1098
01:08:00,228 --> 01:08:00,558
Aye.

1099
01:08:00,618 --> 01:08:01,278
Trustee Kramick?

1100
01:08:01,368 --> 01:08:01,579
Aye.

1101
01:08:01,772 --> 01:08:02,598
Trustee McDonald?

1102
01:08:02,658 --> 01:08:03,138
Aye.

1103
01:08:03,168 --> 01:08:03,692
Trustee Hermann?

1104
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:09,199
Aye. Thank you. The board has taken action, and they have approved supporting the

1105
01:08:09,258 --> 01:08:11,657
recommended denial of planning and zoning.

1106
01:08:11,718 --> 01:08:13,548
So as we move down to 4B,

1107
01:08:14,959 --> 01:08:18,049
it's just a matter of going through the motion of it.

1108
01:08:18,108 --> 01:08:23,568
Okay, so item 4B, the report of the Zoning Board of Appeals, variation for front

1109
01:08:23,628 --> 01:08:28,834
yard setbacks, ZBA 26-14. Variation for fence location,

1110
01:08:29,268 --> 01:08:34,938
ZBA 26-18, for a car wash associated site improvements at

1111
01:08:35,268 --> 01:08:41,088
211 South Milwaukee Avenue. Papos 3 LLC is the

1112
01:08:41,178 --> 01:08:47,088
applicant. As what we indicated before, as it relates to the Zoning Board

1113
01:08:47,118 --> 01:08:52,638
of Appeals on August 24, 2026, they recommended denial of the requested

1114
01:08:52,728 --> 01:08:57,199
variations as I outlined by a vote of six to zero.

1115
01:08:57,258 --> 01:09:02,838
Therefore, at this time, I will entertain a motion of this board to recommend the

1116
01:09:03,258 --> 01:09:08,133
Zoning Board's appeal recommendation for denial of the request regarding the

1117
01:09:10,188 --> 01:09:14,808
variation for the front yard setbacks, ZBA

1118
01:09:14,959 --> 01:09:19,248
26-14, and a variation for the fence location at ZBA

1119
01:09:19,428 --> 01:09:24,799
26-18 for the parcel at 211 South

1120
01:09:24,918 --> 01:09:26,779
Milwaukee Avenue. Do I have a motion?

1121
01:09:26,808 --> 01:09:27,393
So moved.

1122
01:09:27,408 --> 01:09:32,088
It's moved on by Trustee Adams. Do I have a second? Seconded by Trustee Garrity.

1123
01:09:32,148 --> 01:09:33,858
Any further discussion on the motion?

1124
01:09:34,174 --> 01:09:36,768
Hearing no further discussion, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll?

1125
01:09:36,858 --> 01:09:37,428
Trustee Adams?

1126
01:09:37,489 --> 01:09:37,907
Aye.

1127
01:09:37,938 --> 01:09:38,568
Trustee Garrity?

1128
01:09:38,748 --> 01:09:39,049
Aye.

1129
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:39,709
Trustee Kramick?

1130
01:09:39,858 --> 01:09:40,039
Aye.

1131
01:09:40,128 --> 01:09:40,848
Trustee McDonald?

1132
01:09:40,968 --> 01:09:41,148
Aye.

1133
01:09:41,299 --> 01:09:41,868
Trustee Hermann?

1134
01:09:41,928 --> 01:09:46,293
Aye. Thank you. The board has taken action and filed the recommendation of the

1135
01:09:46,308 --> 01:09:49,938
Zoning Board of Appeals on item 4B and item 4A.

1136
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:52,818
Papas, I'm really

1137
01:09:54,018 --> 01:09:58,563
very heartfelt about the fact that when people come before us and look at our

1138
01:09:58,638 --> 01:10:03,648
community, they make a tremendous investment in the prep work, attending all the

1139
01:10:03,738 --> 01:10:06,438
meetings, and having the support people here.

1140
01:10:07,008 --> 01:10:07,758
And so,

1141
01:10:09,799 --> 01:10:14,598
I will tell you that as a collective board, we do appreciate your looking at our

1142
01:10:14,628 --> 01:10:20,388
community and considering it as a form of investment, and you do a great job with

1143
01:10:20,808 --> 01:10:25,459
what you put forward. It just wasn't a fit for this board at that particular site.

1144
01:10:25,549 --> 01:10:29,778
So thank you very much for considering us in terms of the outcome.

1145
01:10:30,049 --> 01:10:35,808
Thank you very much. Okay, moving down to agenda item five, which is the update.

1146
01:10:36,228 --> 01:10:39,933
The Economic Development Commission will not meet at 7:30 a.m.

1147
01:10:40,098 --> 01:10:45,558
on Tuesday, September 15th, 2026. It will not meet.

1148
01:10:45,948 --> 01:10:48,318
The Public Works Committee will meet at 6:00 p.m.

1149
01:10:48,438 --> 01:10:54,152
on Tuesday, September 22nd. The Village Board will meet at 7:00

1150
01:10:54,198 --> 01:10:59,178
p.m. on September 22nd. And with that, Village Administrator Ahmed, do you have an

1151
01:10:59,209 --> 01:11:00,078
update for us?

1152
01:11:00,738 --> 01:11:06,678
Thank you, Mayor. I just want to remind the board that we have the

1153
01:11:06,828 --> 01:11:10,278
9/11 25-year celebration this Friday in Cook Park.

1154
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:12,003
That will begin-

1155
01:11:12,828 --> 01:11:13,728
10:00 a.m.

1156
01:11:13,742 --> 01:11:16,053
10:00 a.m. Thank you. I wanted to confirm whether it was 9:00 or 10:00.

1157
01:11:16,098 --> 01:11:16,174
Yeah.

1158
01:11:16,248 --> 01:11:21,828
So hopefully, people can join us. We have a good program put together, so looking

1159
01:11:21,858 --> 01:11:25,443
forward to that. And then I think Trustee Garrity will cover the community bike

1160
01:11:25,459 --> 01:11:29,358
ride, so I won't steal your thunder. But that's coming up this weekend as well.

1161
01:11:29,418 --> 01:11:32,868
And then we also have the fire department open house coming up the first week in

1162
01:11:32,959 --> 01:11:37,549
October. So as summer closes, fall begins, and we have some great community events.

1163
01:11:37,788 --> 01:11:38,748
That's all I have. Thank you.

1164
01:11:39,138 --> 01:11:43,293
Thank you for that. And I would just like to emphasize before we go through it

1165
01:11:43,338 --> 01:11:48,618
quickly, that 9/11, this is the 25-year

1166
01:11:48,828 --> 01:11:52,728
anniversary for those that are watching at home and those here.

1167
01:11:52,788 --> 01:11:56,793
We are a community, Libertyville, as reflected in what we call ourselves,

1168
01:11:56,988 --> 01:12:02,688
Libertyville, that it is critical to us to honor those whose

1169
01:12:02,748 --> 01:12:08,163
lives were lost on 9/11 in 2001, both first responders,

1170
01:12:08,508 --> 01:12:13,578
fire and police, as well as veterans and military that were involved, and

1171
01:12:13,728 --> 01:12:19,158
civilians on Flight 93. So, I would hope that

1172
01:12:19,248 --> 01:12:24,828
anyone that lives in this country would be wanting to be there if they didn't have

1173
01:12:24,858 --> 01:12:29,058
to be at work to support honoring the memory of those individuals.

1174
01:12:29,418 --> 01:12:34,773
And for those of you that are 25 and under, you need to be there so you're reminded

1175
01:12:34,848 --> 01:12:39,978
of the history and the sacrifice that every individual made on that particular day.

1176
01:12:40,008 --> 01:12:45,303
It boggles my mind that people 25 and under don't even know what that day is about,

1177
01:12:45,348 --> 01:12:50,688
many. But it would be good to bring as many young children, young adults, as well

1178
01:12:50,748 --> 01:12:55,683
as adults, and those who have family members who may have lost someone in 9/11, or

1179
01:12:55,698 --> 01:13:00,078
they have veterans or first responders that they hold near and dear that day.

1180
01:13:00,108 --> 01:13:04,398
We would appreciate you coming to Cook Park and supporting us in honoring their

1181
01:13:04,459 --> 01:13:06,858
memory at 10:00 a.m. So thank you for that.

1182
01:13:07,188 --> 01:13:08,988
And now, is there anything you'd like to share?

1183
01:13:10,158 --> 01:13:10,308
No.

1184
01:13:10,608 --> 01:13:13,187
Okay. Thank you. Anything you'd like to share?

1185
01:13:13,459 --> 01:13:16,924
No, I just want to thank Mr. Weber and the folks from the car wash for being here

1186
01:13:16,968 --> 01:13:19,038
tonight. I want to echo what the mayor said.

1187
01:13:19,608 --> 01:13:23,763
We do embrace the fact that we have people interested in our community, and

1188
01:13:23,778 --> 01:13:27,228
unfortunately, this wasn't a good fit, but we really appreciate the great effort

1189
01:13:27,618 --> 01:13:29,073
and the presentation that you gave tonight.

1190
01:13:29,388 --> 01:13:31,549
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Trustee Garrity?

1191
01:13:31,758 --> 01:13:35,628
Yeah, I concur. A lot of time and effort went in, dollars and cents, and we

1192
01:13:35,838 --> 01:13:41,118
appreciate that you have invested. It just honestly just wasn't a good fit.

1193
01:13:41,478 --> 01:13:45,826
But that's- My opinion or whatever. As Mr.

1194
01:13:46,201 --> 01:13:50,790
Aramendi mentioned, there are actually two events in my purview.

1195
01:13:50,850 --> 01:13:56,640
One is we have Tasty Thursday on this coming Thursday, and

1196
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:02,520
we're certainly hoping for a nice, calm night so the balloons can glow, and

1197
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,719
that'll be at the Riverside Park. Starts at 5:30?

1198
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:07,231
4:30.

1199
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:07,920
4:30.

1200
01:14:08,191 --> 01:14:09,030
4:30 to 7:30.

1201
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:09,570
Thank you, Mayor.

1202
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:10,080
Yeah.

1203
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:14,670
All right. So, we've got that one, and then the second one is that on Sunday

1204
01:14:14,731 --> 01:14:17,941
morning at Adler Park, we have our community bike ride.

1205
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:18,375
Mm-hmm.

1206
01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:22,800
And this is the 10th annual, and there's no charge.

1207
01:14:23,220 --> 01:14:28,530
And you can sign up on the web, or you can just show up, 9:00 in the morning, and

1208
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:31,110
we've got a couple of different lengths of rides.

1209
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:34,380
But we've got this down to a pretty good drill.

1210
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,220
The hope is that we'll have good weather on Sunday morning.

1211
01:14:38,370 --> 01:14:38,490
So-

1212
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:39,076
All right

1213
01:14:39,076 --> 01:14:41,880
... looking forward to any and all to show up for that event.

1214
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:42,300
Thank you.

1215
01:14:42,481 --> 01:14:42,870
Thank you, Mayor.

1216
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:46,530
And just, I wanted to emphasize, because I know this is important to you, the event

1217
01:14:46,590 --> 01:14:49,110
starts at 9:00, but registration is at 8:30.

1218
01:14:49,231 --> 01:14:53,520
So if you plan to be participating at the beginning of the ride, we'd appreciate it

1219
01:14:53,550 --> 01:14:58,110
for those volunteers and people that are there to get the ride started, that you

1220
01:14:58,170 --> 01:15:00,945
arrive at 8:30 to complete the registration process.

1221
01:15:00,990 --> 01:15:02,070
Right. It's not a race.

1222
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:02,490
Yep.

1223
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:03,630
It's just a ride.

1224
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:04,410
Just a ride.

1225
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:04,830
Yeah.

1226
01:15:04,965 --> 01:15:04,965
Just a ride.

1227
01:15:04,981 --> 01:15:08,865
All shapes and sizes are riding on their bikes that morning, so.

1228
01:15:08,865 --> 01:15:09,900
Right. Family event.

1229
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:10,125
That's it.

1230
01:15:10,140 --> 01:15:10,981
Family event.

1231
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:11,550
Exactly.

1232
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,660
Trustee Carmick?

1233
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,030
So two things, just again, to reiterate.

1234
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,500
You seem like a great business, right? We're not here to say no.

1235
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,720
We're here to grow our community.

1236
01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:22,185
Mm-hmm.

1237
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:24,810
I think it was just locationally constricted, right?

1238
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,731
And some of the vision that we have for that corridor.

1239
01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:30,481
We'd love for you to continue to find other opportunities in town.

1240
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:35,880
I know Heather's working hard with some underutilized businesses and some larger

1241
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:37,050
parcels that are sitting out there.

1242
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:40,441
Maybe there's an opportunity, I don't know, but we'd be more than happy to help

1243
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:44,985
out. Secondly, I think with all the events that are going on in the next few days,

1244
01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:50,715
I think it's important to recognize there's a lot of stuff that goes on in the

1245
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:52,441
background with staff helping out-

1246
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:53,580
Absolutely

1247
01:15:53,610 --> 01:15:57,330
... with all of these events. So I just want to say thank you to staff and all the

1248
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,300
department heads that help. Everything from police and fire to

1249
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,310
everyone-

1250
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:02,475
Yeah

1251
01:16:02,475 --> 01:16:03,856
... is involved in planning these.

1252
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:04,320
Good point.

1253
01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:08,970
So thank you, staff, for making this the community that it is.

1254
01:16:09,090 --> 01:16:10,830
And that's it for me today.

1255
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,169
Thank you. Trustee McDonald?

1256
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,040
I concur with what my colleagues have said up here, in addition to the mayor.

1257
01:16:17,191 --> 01:16:18,451
We really appreciate you and

1258
01:16:19,890 --> 01:16:22,920
wish the outcome were different.

1259
01:16:24,451 --> 01:16:26,400
And then I wanted to give a fun update.

1260
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,970
Maybe a month, two months ago-

1261
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:30,180
Mm-hmm

1262
01:16:30,195 --> 01:16:36,180
... I made a comment about the bus shelters by the hospital.

1263
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:36,780
Oh, yeah.

1264
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:41,340
And Mayor Johnson, thank you so much for making the suggestion that I reach out to

1265
01:16:42,990 --> 01:16:47,701
Matt Hickey, who has recently been appointed to the Pace regional board.

1266
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:48,975
Regional board, right.

1267
01:16:48,975 --> 01:16:53,640
And I'm really excited to announce, or chair-

1268
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:54,045
Mm-hmm

1269
01:16:54,570 --> 01:16:59,250
... that we're going to get a couple of bus shelters at that Milwaukee and Condell

1270
01:17:00,451 --> 01:17:02,191
in spring, summer of next year.

1271
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:02,610
Yeah.

1272
01:17:03,045 --> 01:17:03,045
Yeah.

1273
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:03,750
Which is very good.

1274
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:04,650
I'm tickled pink.

1275
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,570
We love that, tickled pink. That's good. Trustee Hermann?

1276
01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:11,790
I just want to say thanks for coming.

1277
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:17,760
On Sunday, I went to the Gurnee location and had a great experience, despite what

1278
01:17:17,850 --> 01:17:22,560
Yelp says. I had a wonderful... Both my wife looked at me and said, "Why are you

1279
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:26,505
taking me to Gurnee?" I'm like, "We have to go." And I secret shopped your

1280
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:28,680
bathroom, as advertised, by the way.

1281
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:28,755
Oh, good.

1282
01:17:28,755 --> 01:17:33,375
It was very clean. So you guys are... It just wasn't the right fit for this.

1283
01:17:33,451 --> 01:17:37,260
But I really do admire what you've done and what you've built and grown, okay?

1284
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:43,981
Mayor, it was one year ago today, we started Citizens Academy.

1285
01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:44,385
That's correct.

1286
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:45,629
We participated.

1287
01:17:45,660 --> 01:17:45,780
Go ahead. Right.

1288
01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:49,770
Are we sold, or have we filled the spots by chance?

1289
01:17:50,701 --> 01:17:51,300
We're good to go.

1290
01:17:51,316 --> 01:17:51,570
We're good to go?

1291
01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:51,810
Mm-hmm.

1292
01:17:51,930 --> 01:17:52,890
Okay. All right.

1293
01:17:53,250 --> 01:17:53,610
Yeah.

1294
01:17:53,701 --> 01:17:54,930
So we look forward to the reports.

1295
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:55,530
Right.

1296
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,110
Trustee Carmick's in there, too.

1297
01:17:58,140 --> 01:17:58,530
And Trustee Carmick.

1298
01:17:58,590 --> 01:17:59,085
You're in there, too.

1299
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:01,110
Unfortunately, I had a conflict that day.

1300
01:18:01,170 --> 01:18:02,505
Oh, you had a conflict. Okay.

1301
01:18:02,505 --> 01:18:03,270
Could not participate. I sent somebody else.

1302
01:18:03,451 --> 01:18:04,350
Oh, okay. Gotcha.

1303
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,660
So for those who are participating, it was a really meaningful experience, and it

1304
01:18:09,691 --> 01:18:15,660
gives you a real close up front view of what our staff does and our

1305
01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:18,930
first responders. So thank you to everyone who is participating in the program.

1306
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,240
Yeah, it really does. Thank you for that.

1307
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:28,604
It's a worthwhile exercise, and it's important that we understand that our

1308
01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:34,350
interactions with police and fire are not always under dangerous circumstances,

1309
01:18:34,410 --> 01:18:37,649
that there is a depth to what they do and a purpose behind it.

1310
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:43,005
And so when you complete the exercise of eight to nine weeks of Citizens Academy,

1311
01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:47,280
I did it in the pilot program, so did Trustee Hermann, and I will tell you, you

1312
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:51,510
walk away with a different perspective on what they do and how they do it.

1313
01:18:51,555 --> 01:18:54,600
And so I'm very proud that we're continuing that effort.

1314
01:18:55,290 --> 01:19:00,660
So with that, I will entertain a motion to go into executive session to discuss

1315
01:19:00,691 --> 01:19:06,540
collective bargaining negotiations pursuant to Chapter 5, ILCS 120,

1316
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,580
Subsection 2, Subsection C, Subsection 2. We know who needs to be there, correct?

1317
01:19:12,150 --> 01:19:16,020
So with that, I will entertain a motion to go into executive session.

1318
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:16,710
So moved.

1319
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,120
Okay, thank you. Do I have a second?

1320
01:19:18,375 --> 01:19:18,375
Second.

1321
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:23,129
Second, thank you. All those in favor, indicate-- Oh, that's right.

1322
01:19:23,670 --> 01:19:24,915
Madam Clerk, can you call the roll?

1323
01:19:24,990 --> 01:19:25,560
Trustee Adams.

1324
01:19:25,604 --> 01:19:25,604
Aye.

1325
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:26,731
Trustee Garrity.

1326
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:27,210
Aye.

1327
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:27,930
Trustee Carmick.

1328
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:28,320
Aye.

1329
01:19:28,350 --> 01:19:29,130
Trustee McDonald.

1330
01:19:29,191 --> 01:19:29,490
Aye.

1331
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,045
Trustee Hermann.

1332
01:19:30,150 --> 01:19:30,660
Aye.

1333
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:33,840
Thank you. We're now going into executive session. Thank you.