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>> good evening ladies and gentlemen.

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this evening the invocation will be given by brian

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mcmillin.

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>> recording in process -- the invocation will be given

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by brian mcmillin from coastal community church which

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is the new church that took over for trinity.

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they had their grand opening on sunday.

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brian, please come on up.

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>> wouldn't be complete without trinity community

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schools.

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>> gay, we thank you for your elleblghted lears,

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churches and schools and those who serve our comurptty

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day in and day out without hesitation.

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we're thankful for our community and the process that

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provides this opportunity for our voices to be heard.

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we pray for our elleblghted leader, protect them and

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guide them a they carry out their elected

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responsibilities.

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lord, I pray for clear understanding tonight as this

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meeting carries on.

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lord, I pray we would have an empathetic year that

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considers all the information being provided and we

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would all listen wholeheartedly.

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we I pray for the wisdom to seek your guidance to have

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the patience to listen and the courage to about.

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lord, as our city, our county, our state, our nation

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faces a battle with covid, I pray you protect the great

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families in this community.

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that you would establish faith and withhold fear.

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lord, I pray that you would allow lighthouse point to

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be a place of healing, comfort, keep our great city as

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a beacon of light for all to see.

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in your name we pray.

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>> started strong.

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very good, very good.

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excellent job.

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>>> that's strong.

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>> and as quickly as he came in, he left.

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>> well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen, I would

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like to welcome you to the regular scheduled city

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commission meeting of january 11th, 2022.

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at this point time we realize this evening due to

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social distancing and the uprising in the omicron

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virus, we have allowed for a virtual platform along

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with in-person to continually keep with city quarterrum

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and to make sure our city stays healthy and is safe.

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commissioners, can we please stand up and for the

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pledge.

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>> I pledge al legdwroons the flag of the united states

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of america, and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and

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jufghts for all.

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>> thank you very much.

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>> nicole, could I please have roll call.

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[roll call]

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>> okay, we're all accounted for.

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>>> thank you very much, jennifer -- or nicole, sorry.

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thank you very much, nicole.

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this evening we have a proclamation by mayor glenn

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troast for arbor day, mayor?

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>> I'm sorry, I was on mute.

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>> no problem.

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>> go ahead, mayor, we can hear you.

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>>> okay.

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>> just get fog the proclamation.

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just getting to the proclamation.

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>> whereas in 1872 j. Sterling morton proposed to the

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nebraska board of agriculture that a special day be set

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aside for the plants of trees and whereas this holiday,

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called arbor day was first observed with the planting

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of more than a million trees in nebraska, whereas 2022

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is the 150th anniversary of the holiday and arbor day

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is now observed throughout the nation and the world.

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whereas trees can produce -- reduce the precious

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topsoil, cut heating and cooling costs, moderate

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temperature, clean the air, produce life oxygen and

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provide habitat for wildlife, and whereas trees where

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ever they are planted are a source of joy and spiritual

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renewal and where the astcity of lighthouse point will

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here afterhere in conjunction with florida arbor day,

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now therefore I, glenn troast by the authority vested

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in me by the city of lighthouse point claim the 1 fifth

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in the city of lighthouse point.

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>> already.

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commissioners.

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having been over a month since the last time we met,

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we've had an opportunity to look over the last meeting

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minutes.

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do I have any issues with the meeting minute?

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>> move approval of minutes of december 14th, 2021.

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>> second.

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>> motion on the floor, a second, any discussion?

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all in favor please say aye.

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vote passes 5-0.

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thank you very much.

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>> corey, treasurer's report, please.

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>> evening, treasurer's report, january 11, 2022.

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general fund 9,977, cleanup departments 39,600, garage

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and trash fund 1,677,155 dollars and 16 cents special

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purpose funds 3,432,708.27.

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storm water utility funds $832,074.04.

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construction and debt service funds $3,90 6,239.73.

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reserve fubtd currency $617,425.37.

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all other funds $5,865,719.10.

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contingency fund.

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total all funds $31,772,161.

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76.

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>> commissioners any questions for corey?

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all right.

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see nothing questions from corey, we're going move onto

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public comments and request from the floor regarding

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agenda items.

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just for everybody is aware, tonight we have three

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agenda items, one of which is a public as s a first

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reading and public hearing for ordinance of lighthouse

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point yacht club which they will have an opportunity

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speak at thattime.

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at w that being said, I was talking with nigh coal

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earlier, we didn't have many people sign up, and I

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wanted to make sure that we are good with the three mf

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minute time cap so everyone has a proper opportunity to

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speak is everybody wok that are we keeping the meeting

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open on-line?

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>> yes, we are.

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>> I'll be keeping a timer here.

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it will go off at 3-minutes at which pointly ask the

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person to stop speaking.

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>> I might want to hear more.

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>> I might want to hear more.

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>> you might want to hear more than 3 minutes.

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>> all I would say is to make sure that we don't at the

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fourth person speaking we give four minutes I would

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like to stick with a consistent basis so we're fair and

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equitable.

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you dwoont go to four min?

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>> I rather then extends it somewhat.

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you're the presiding officer of the admission I defer

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to your opinion.

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I have no doubt you'll keep good order.

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>> commissioners are we okay to extend to four min.

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>> I'm time with $o three minutes if you want for go to

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>> I don't care either way, but a second bite of the

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apple.

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>> and a third if they want to come back again.

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we're going to get plenty of time for people to say

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their peace.

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>>> three minute?

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>> we'll do 4 minutes.

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I move the timer to four minutes at which point in time

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we'll now open public comments and request regarding

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agenda teams I'm going to open up to those in the

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diminish chambers to come up, they have four minutes,

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please state your name and address, and you'll have the

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floor for four minutes.

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f.

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>> okay.

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anybody the commission chamber that would like to speak

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all right, seeing none.

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nicole, do we have anybody that has their hand raised

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in virtual attend this would like the speak at this

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poin in time.

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>> no, no one is raising their hand.

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>> all right.

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anybody that is in attendance on the zoom that would

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like to speak they can raise their hand, one more

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second.

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seeing none.

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>> mr. President, how many people do we have on the

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zoom?

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>> currently went from 34 down to 29, but it apparently

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right now it is 29 people on a zoom as attended as a

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nonpanellist.

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>> thank you.

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>> yep.

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>> no problem.

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at this point in time we close public comment and

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request for the floor regarding agenda items.

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report from city administration.

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since we have none, department reports we also have

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none.

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however, commissioners you know at this time in the

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evening, I would like the say if you have something to

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ask from any of our department reports to department

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heads to reach out and ask them the questions now.

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anybody have anything for our department heads?

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>> no.

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>>> I do have one thing for chuck.

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I know about 2 1/2, actually 3 months ago we had

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someone come to us on 29th street about striping the

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road.

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I want to thank you guys for getting it striped.

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it looks a lot better.

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hopefully it is a little bit more definable for those

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people driving there at night with that quick little

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turn behind bank of america.

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the only thing I would ask is there in way in front of

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the apartment complex we paint a double white line so

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it stands out that, you know, instead of just having a

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middle line, they also have the far right hand line,

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too, chuck?

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>> so the standard is the single solid white line,

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we're hoping that designates the roadway alignment more

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clearly.

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there is a mobilization fee because it is therm most

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plastic not regular highway paint so it can be

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reflective in the evening.

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I can speak to engineer about widening that line if

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need be.

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>>> I appreciate it.

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definitely stands out more than it ever has.

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I know the residents on 29th street was happy it was

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taken care of.

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>> commissioner maucker.

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>>> I run garage collection running obtain 24 hours

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behind.

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I just wonder if it is seasonal related or holiday or

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covid or both?

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and if s there any way to make sure on our twheabz

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folks know they will get their garage picked up, just

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may be running late.

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>> yes, I can handle that.

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and that you are correct, they did have a lot of

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quantity right after the holidays.

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but the bigger issue has been covid.

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it is not just the drivers and the people working for

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waste management.

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it is some of the folks working at the dump and they've

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experienced extremely long lines dumping the trucks.

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although they have enough drivers on some days and they

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get right out to the dump, when they've got trucks

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waiting for a couple of hours.

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they're frustrated by the situation, but, I'll ask them

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to communicate with think on a daily basis and we can

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definitely put something on the website and on

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facebook.

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we always tell anybody who calls to just leave their

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stuff out until the next day, sometimes they don't get

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ahold of me to 7, 8:00 at night because they do work

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until dark.

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and they check the routes at that time and see what was

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missed and some of the driervetion you know, they need

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to go back in the morning and we relay that information

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to anybody who calls, and the rule of thumb is just

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leave your stuff out.

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>> thank you, I think they're doing a great job under

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some very difficult conditions, but anything we can do

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to communicate to the residents to know to keep it out

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is beneficial, and I appreciate I, thank, chuck.

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>> I agree, thank you.

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>> commissioner, any other communication with our

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department heads?

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>> all right, thank you very much.

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we have no reports from our city attorney.

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>> no, sir.

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>> okay.

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our reports next board meeting, we have planning and

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zoning february 1st.

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code enforcement january 18th, community and appearance

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board january 20th.

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special magistrate is february 2nd.

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and marine advisory is february 3rd.

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we is have no unfinished business, no new emphasis this

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evening our number one thing on the docket for

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ordinance is first reading for ordinance to rezone

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yacht club the.

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and consideration of the proposed final site plan for

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the yacht club redevelopment.

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>> mr. President, members of the commission, this item

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is here for first reading this is one of the items that

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requires two readings by the city commission.

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assuming the if this goes forward and gets adopted by

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city admission evening it will be set for a

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quasijudicial hearing in the future for second reading

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and adoption what this ordinance does is takes the

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yachted club floopt is currently zoned delete s 2 --

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b2a and change toilet the ycu, under proposal.

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that is why this would not be passed this evening, at

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the next meeting if you pass this there will be is

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quent shall adoptions going forward and one will be a

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final adoption of the ymcu of which this will be zoned

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into.

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as part of the ymcu text there are a few requirements.

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there is a requirement for the site plan as well as the

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development agreement.

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the development agreement is on the next item, that is

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a public hearing tonight as a statute requires two

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public hearings for the development agreements.

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so with that, what I would roamed is if you want to

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move forward with reading of the ordinance and then

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turn it over to our city planner.

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he can present, make some presentations on the issue,

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most of which will candidly be throughout the site plan

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that it go through planning and zoning review.

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it did come through with an approval with several

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recommendations, several topics of discussion, still.

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na will be presented to you and then you condition ask

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whatever questions you want.

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understand this is not quasi-judicial, you'll have a

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quasi-judicial at the next one, you can go through and

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provide recommendation, suggestion as you see fit.

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the applicant will be able to address those same issues

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as well.

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they have an opportunity because you'll be making a

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decision to address some of the issues that they have

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and that can remain on the item.

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and just to make it clear, the applicant and their

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representatives are not considered public comment.

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they're applicant and they have -- need the opportunity

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to present their information to you in a that make a

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time that make sense so if you have any questions I'd

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be happy to answer them, otherwise we can breed the

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presentation by staff.

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you can do the reading now or do it after you hear

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everything.

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it is up to the commission.

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>> I have a quick question for the city attorney.

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>>> give then is not quasi-judicial but the second

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meeting on february 8th, on this will be yaws

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sigh-judicial, I certainly don't want to ask questions

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twice so what is -- I guess what would be the -- what

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is the distinction or.

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>> I think the minutes of this meeting the questions

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and answers will be brought forward as part of the

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record.

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at that time, you know, but any type of sworn testimony

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that you may need that will be the appropriate time to

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get that information and make that record.

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but if you ask a question tonight and get an answer and

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moving it forward and we're going to pride, we're going

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proceed founder the direction the commission gives thus

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evening and set that item up for second reading through

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whatever action you take this evening.

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but begun, I would suggest that the minutes of that

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meeting of tonight's meeting be part of the record in

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the quasi-judd additional proceeding.

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and if there is a need to have specific questions and

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answers in that for the record, we can work with the

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clerk to make sure that happens okay.

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>> I have a motion to read by commissioner johnson.

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>> second.

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>> second.

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>> an ordinance for the city commission of the city of

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lighthouse point florida own yacht poin investment

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consistenting of 9.5 net acres more or less building

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number 48431705060 described in exhibit a of this

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ordinance, to ymca mix use pursuant to to rezoning to

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the ymcu mix use zoning district provided for zoning

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district map complex and effective date.

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>> one more thing to a courtesy to folks.

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we're all wearing mask, maybe speak more methodically

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and loud.

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I'm guilty of the ladder -- latter.

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probably not guilty of the former but I will do my best

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as well.

356
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>> thank you very much.

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mr. Cirillo.

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your show, sir.

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>> I'm just going run through a brief summary of the

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rezoning and then when we get to the site plan we'll

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see how we want to walk through that, because there are

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a number of oissues and I don't know if we want -- if

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you want me to run through all of them or if you want

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to do q & a.

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>> ideally commissioners, I would think that we would

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want to tackle each issue as we approach them versus

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letting them and trying to rehash it back.

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we're okay with that?

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as he comes up with one of the bulleted items there is

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a decision made or discussion to be had, I think we

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should stop at that point, have the discussion, get a

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formal what the commission's will is and have our city

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attorney take notes on.

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and then we'll move onto the next one.

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are we all in consense was that?

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okay.

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>> and again, for the record jim hickey, address 1800

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eller drive in ft.

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lauderdale.

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just to give a little bit of background.

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and I know folks have heard it before, I want to make

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sure folks here or on-line get an understanding of what

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we're doing, includes 63,173 yacht club, 3,927 square

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foot tennis center 2,400 reasonvated children activity

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center along with up to 22 residential units.

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and 9.5 net acres.

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the application and this rezoning, and again, this is

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what we're doing, we're actually changing the map,

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changing the zoning map from the b2a to a ycmu which is

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the ycmu district.

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I'll talk a little bit about that and where we are in

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the process.

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so there are other land development actions that have

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to happen in concert of what we're talking about this

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evening.

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the first you've seen before, the first is a land use

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map amendment, that is changing the actual land use,

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future land use map to match which development is

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coming.

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that is changing a portion the residential area kind of

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on if bottom of the parcel.

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and that is going from commercial recreation to

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residential at six units to the acre.

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the second is an actual aiment to the tax within the

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comprehensive plan.

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we need to go in and make some changes to it to make

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sure what is allowable in the presencive plan matches

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what we're doing with the zoning and map and site plan.

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those all have to be consistent with one another.

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and the third you've already seen that, too is the

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creation of the ycmu zoning district.

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that is the language, the regulations we're putting in

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place to make sure that the zoning matches up with the

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site plan and matches up with the land use.

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all of these need be in concerted in order for it to

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work.

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and then, of course, we're talking about the approval

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of the development agreement, that will be the second

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item this evening and the proposed site plan.

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we'll talk about the proposed site plan as part of this

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process.

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so the analysis that we went through -- and I went

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through and identified all of the established

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requirements in there, is setbacks and heights and made

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sure that the site plan and the regulations that we

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have are consistent and we found with that analysis, we

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found that those items have been addressed.

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there are a couple of minor typo things we will talk

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about later with the site plan just to make sure that

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what is in the zoning district and what is in the site

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plan are consistent.

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okay.

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so we looked at that.

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we look at proposed height.

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uses permitted, setbacks, all of those zoning items

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that we look at to make sure that what we're if there

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are any portions on that I would be happy to answer.

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went through line by line of the ycmu and made sure

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those thifngs there.

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we're not talking about a gladder house, entry feature

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and those types of things.

442
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we need to make sure we make changes to the text before

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it comes back to you for second reading.

444
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>> is that going need to be stated here?

445
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I noticed that when they talked about the ancillary

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building structures, guard house, which we know is not

447
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a guard house anymore or entryway feature, are we going

448
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do clean that up, mike in?

449
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,840
>> that is going be part of a final adoption.

450
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I don't know if you need to include it in your motion

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whatever the commission feels comfortable doing.

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but we're taking notes and as we resolve issues we're

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going to note that and make sure that there is also for

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you maybe to have to resolve at second reading if that

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is possible.

456
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>>> how many minor issues are we talking about?

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>> there are not that many in there.

458
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we talked about a guard house.

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we have to look at the when we look at the text

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amendment we have to make sure height and land use is

461
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consistent.

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that needs to be adjusted.

463
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there is just -- I think there are minor edits I saw

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when I read through it today.

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probably four or five words we have to change in there.

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but really, holistically, I will need to go through the

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entire zoning text with what we have right now to make

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sure they're consistent.

469
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>> let's be clear, you evaluate this with respect to --

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this san important point -- have you evaluated it with

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what the applicant has proposed or what was recommended

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by the planning and zoning board?

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so when this analysis is based on the site plan.

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>> as presented by the applicant.

475
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>> as presented by the applicant.

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I wanted to make sure what they're proposing matches up

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with what is here.

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if there are any changes -- and I can't think of any

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off the top of my head -- that would alter the

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potential text in here, but when we get to that we can

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talk through.

482
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you know, it is just one of those.

483
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and same as development, we'll need to read through

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that and make sure there is no inconsistencies with

485
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that it is going to be a lot reading between now and

486
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second reading.

487
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and I think it is up to staff and the applicants to go

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through and make sure we can find any of those issues

489
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so when we get it back to you it is a complete package.

490
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>> okay.

491
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>> so that being through, I just wanted to get through

492
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and I'm on page 12, rolling through page 12 and this is

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the site plan conditional approvals.

494
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so in this section what we did is identified, and this

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is when I started in the beginning kind of how you want

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to walk through these 11 conditions so these were the

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conditions that were set onto the site plan by the

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planning and zoning board at its october 5th, 2021

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meeting.

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so these are the items that we can kind of walk through

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if you want.

502
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and I just want to say on the record, too, and I think

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you in front of you the three mums from our -- three

504
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memorandums from our traffic engineer.

505
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it is my fault for not getting all these, I apologize,

506
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it was all my doing.

507
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I talked to secretary about it.

508
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just with the -- just in a rush to get everything in,

509
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you didn't get all the information that you needed for

510
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tonight.

511
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so I apologize.

512
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it wasn't city staff, it was me not sending right

513
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information.

514
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so for that, I apologize.

515
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if first item, though -- and that is the first memo.

516
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that was part of the attachment.

517
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I do have diana white that is available.

518
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,462
she is the traffic engineer.

519
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:07,165
she can walk through this with you, if you'd like.

520
00:41:07,165 --> 00:41:11,965
or if you want, we can summarize and.

521
00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:16,741
>> continue talking about the yacht club access

522
00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:17,175
memorandum.

523
00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:18,476
>> sure.

524
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:19,877
>> the one we're talking about.

525
00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:23,247
>> that is the one we're talkingto about.

526
00:41:23,247 --> 00:41:27,180
>> and tied to a in your report, the city's traffic

527
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:30,540
engineer guarantees with the accident that the use of

528
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:33,424
the boom gates would not create a safety issue if

529
00:41:33,424 --> 00:41:36,494
proper stabbing is provided, that is key, if roper

530
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:37,528
stacking is provided.

531
00:41:37,528 --> 00:41:42,330
I think I would like to hear if proper stacking is

532
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:46,170
provided, what this is dispute is if there is no

533
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:46,604
dispute.

534
00:41:46,604 --> 00:41:50,308
>> and the applicant is actually provided a revise

535
00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:50,675
sketch.

536
00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:54,112
we want to take a look at it because the can provide

537
00:41:54,112 --> 00:41:57,248
that 22 feet, but that 22 feet falls outside of the

538
00:41:57,248 --> 00:41:57,515
parcel.

539
00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:01,486
so we want to just have a discussion, I think I talked

540
00:42:01,486 --> 00:42:05,456
to dianne narcs I think think it is a matter of sitting

541
00:42:05,456 --> 00:42:05,790
down.

542
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:09,227
the other issue that she has in that area is the

543
00:42:09,227 --> 00:42:12,330
ability for cars to come in and actually do that

544
00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:12,630
u-turn.

545
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:16,334
right now it looks like it is going over soant the

546
00:42:16,334 --> 00:42:19,637
sidewalk and trees or hedges or something like that and

547
00:42:19,637 --> 00:42:22,974
we really didn't want someone to do a 3-point turn

548
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:26,644
there if we have an event and people rushing to get

549
00:42:26,644 --> 00:42:27,311
out, right?

550
00:42:27,311 --> 00:42:30,314
we want to make sure that is done properly as well.

551
00:42:30,314 --> 00:42:32,717
she's offered to sit down with the applicants and work

552
00:42:32,717 --> 00:42:35,620
through those issues and see if we can come up with it.

553
00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:39,457
I think she think it is more of a geometry issue than

554
00:42:39,457 --> 00:42:40,725
potential site plan issue.

555
00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:44,495
>> you mean decreasing the radius of center island or

556
00:42:44,495 --> 00:42:48,332
however she wants to change the geometry of that turn

557
00:42:48,332 --> 00:42:50,234
is that what you're saying?

558
00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:53,237
>> I think you have to increase the radius in order to

559
00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:54,500
make the turn.

560
00:42:54,500 --> 00:43:00,500
>> so increase the radius nicole, is there any way we

561
00:43:00,745 --> 00:43:04,345
can put that on the screen.

562
00:43:04,382 --> 00:43:08,582
>> what did you want on the screen.

563
00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:16,360
>> has the turning radius; is that correct, times?

564
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,360
>> yes.

565
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:20,898
>> and I heard a phrase.

566
00:43:20,898 --> 00:43:25,169
it sounds like this is feasible, which is one less

567
00:43:25,169 --> 00:43:26,904
issue to worry about.

568
00:43:26,904 --> 00:43:30,908
but I heard an interesting thing, like, he can get to

569
00:43:30,908 --> 00:43:34,879
the 22 feet, which I think was the amount of space

570
00:43:34,879 --> 00:43:38,883
needed so every type of vehicle for lack of better term

571
00:43:38,883 --> 00:43:43,588
can do the u-turn but it would not be on his parcel, so

572
00:43:43,588 --> 00:43:47,191
how can he use land that is he doesn't own?

573
00:43:47,191 --> 00:43:50,995
>> there are two separate things and if die glan is on.

574
00:43:50,995 --> 00:43:56,634
if I say something wrong, diana let me yell at me.

575
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:59,937
>> let me time to speak in the meantime I will

576
00:43:59,937 --> 00:44:01,439
attempter to share the screen.

577
00:44:01,439 --> 00:44:09,313
it just no one will be able to see the chambers if I do

578
00:44:09,313 --> 00:44:09,881
that.

579
00:44:09,881 --> 00:44:11,282
>> die jana white?

580
00:44:11,282 --> 00:44:12,250
>> yep, got her.

581
00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:14,250
>> thank you, nicole.

582
00:44:15,419 --> 00:44:20,819
>> you mentioned, too, the third one is dealing with

583
00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,193
the property on southernmostnd.

584
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:29,800
>>> right, so there is really three issues here.

585
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,506
the first is having the 22 feet after the last driveway

586
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:40,178
and the south to wherever that stop sign is.

587
00:44:40,178 --> 00:44:43,981
the second issue on the second page -- next page the

588
00:44:43,981 --> 00:44:46,317
u-turns to get through.

589
00:44:46,317 --> 00:44:49,530
and I think diana has come up with option, too.

590
00:44:49,530 --> 00:44:53,558
I think it needs to be synthesized by the people that

591
00:44:53,558 --> 00:44:57,228
know more about the traffic and turn movements than

592
00:44:57,228 --> 00:44:57,662
myself.

593
00:44:57,662 --> 00:45:02,233
and then the third item was -- I'm sorry my brain just

594
00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:04,468
lost the third item.

595
00:45:04,468 --> 00:45:08,205
the third item on this was the.

596
00:45:08,205 --> 00:45:09,574
>> safety and concern.

597
00:45:09,574 --> 00:45:10,207
>> the driveway.

598
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:13,644
I think the concern is especially during if we have a

599
00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:16,747
special event that whole idea of the u-turn should not

600
00:45:16,747 --> 00:45:19,216
be -- probably cordoned off during the events because

601
00:45:19,216 --> 00:45:22,253
you'll have a lot of people coming out.

602
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:25,656
and to have someone turning that someone that might

603
00:45:25,656 --> 00:45:29,827
be -- not that everyone is going to be rating out of

604
00:45:29,827 --> 00:45:33,965
there, to bow have it blocked out makes it so those

605
00:45:33,965 --> 00:45:37,100
people will be inconvenienced slightly when they coming

606
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:41,105
bas back but provide provides for a egress out of the

607
00:45:41,105 --> 00:45:42,730
property.

608
00:45:42,730 --> 00:45:48,730
>> that is a stipulation we can add into the agreement

609
00:45:48,613 --> 00:45:53,117
here into the site -- well, into the.

610
00:45:53,117 --> 00:45:55,720
>> we couldout add it to the development agreement.

611
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,489
I think that would be, or we make it a condition of the

612
00:45:58,489 --> 00:45:59,123
site plan approval.

613
00:45:59,123 --> 00:46:00,524
>> okay.

614
00:46:00,524 --> 00:46:03,294
>> the site plan issues you would make it a condition

615
00:46:03,294 --> 00:46:04,295
of site plan approval.

616
00:46:04,295 --> 00:46:07,832
>> all right, what I think he's saying is to me,

617
00:46:07,832 --> 00:46:11,680
separation and the distance, that is a site plan issue.

618
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,680
>>> correct.

619
00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:16,941
>> the first to me, sounds like site plan issues, the

620
00:46:16,941 --> 00:46:19,100
third issue sounds like a developer agreement.

621
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:20,478
>>> that is where I was thinking.

622
00:46:20,478 --> 00:46:23,981
to me once the site plan is done, it is over with.

623
00:46:23,981 --> 00:46:28,520
it is built, but the fact that the developer's

624
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,523
agreement would then say, hey, when you have this type

625
00:46:32,523 --> 00:46:37,495
of occupancy or this type of event, you need to cordon

626
00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:42,867
this off with cones or however they want to do it I

627
00:46:42,867 --> 00:46:47,371
want to make sure it is in the right spot.

628
00:46:47,371 --> 00:46:50,141
>> if we had it in the development agreement, we did

629
00:46:50,141 --> 00:46:52,677
have a section when it gets to this number, you're

630
00:46:52,677 --> 00:46:55,680
going have to provide on site and that might be a place

631
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,449
where we can put that in, and in addition, you'll need

632
00:46:58,449 --> 00:47:01,719
to block off the entry so that the folks can get in and

633
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:01,986
out.

634
00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:05,890
it is only going be -- it is a problem foreign those

635
00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:07,892
three units, but also if someone comes in and decides

636
00:47:07,892 --> 00:47:11,295
they don't want to go to the event, they would have to

637
00:47:11,295 --> 00:47:14,980
move around and come back out and just for safety

638
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:14,498
concerns.

639
00:47:14,498 --> 00:47:19,300
>> we have some language that we're going to talk to at

640
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,672
the development agreement portion about special events.

641
00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:25,309
and perhaps that can be an item that needs to be

642
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:28,979
included in any plan that the yacht club gives the city

643
00:47:28,979 --> 00:47:31,682
when they're required to give us a plan.

644
00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:36,387
yes, we will indicate, we will put this for the

645
00:47:36,387 --> 00:47:38,255
southern entrance, southern driveways.

646
00:47:38,255 --> 00:47:41,359
>> I don't know, is there a dispute here?

647
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:42,827
sounds like there is a dispute here.

648
00:47:42,827 --> 00:47:43,394
>>> no.

649
00:47:43,394 --> 00:47:46,397
>> I think, you know, they're working through, you can

650
00:47:46,397 --> 00:47:49,433
ask the applicant as well fnlgt but I think what

651
00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:52,470
they're saying is it looks like it is a feasible,

652
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:55,806
logistics need to be worked out and can be worked out

653
00:47:55,806 --> 00:47:57,942
as part of site plan development process.

654
00:47:57,942 --> 00:48:00,277
eth they are or you continue to say you have a

655
00:48:00,277 --> 00:48:02,613
condition that has to be signed off on before they can

656
00:48:02,613 --> 00:48:03,247
get there first.

657
00:48:03,247 --> 00:48:06,717
a lot of times when site plans get approved and they

658
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,520
have their concerns you never see the resized site

659
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:09,854
plan.

660
00:48:09,854 --> 00:48:12,890
it is up to staff to make sure the conditions are

661
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:14,859
implemented before they get their building permit.

662
00:48:14,859 --> 00:48:18,129
so if this can be something that can be handled between

663
00:48:18,129 --> 00:48:20,531
first and second reading most likely, but statement --

664
00:48:20,531 --> 00:48:23,801
at the same time, it is going to be conditioned staff

665
00:48:23,801 --> 00:48:27,104
is going have to review and make sure the plans match

666
00:48:27,104 --> 00:48:29,807
what is agreed to before they get any permits.

667
00:48:29,807 --> 00:48:32,977
and that is the way would be handle for any condition

668
00:48:32,977 --> 00:48:35,846
on any site plan even approved by p & z.

669
00:48:35,846 --> 00:48:36,280
>> got it.

670
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,884
>> and I would just add, in my experience, too, I might

671
00:48:39,884 --> 00:48:41,685
be speaking with the applicant, too.

672
00:48:41,685 --> 00:48:45,589
the more we can get correct to you and finalized at the

673
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:48,859
second, the better, because then there is not an issue

674
00:48:48,859 --> 00:48:50,161
of what was said.

675
00:48:50,161 --> 00:48:53,531
they two feet, no, they said 2.7.

676
00:48:53,531 --> 00:48:54,999
going bors and then come back to you.

677
00:48:54,999 --> 00:48:58,269
whatever we can do to get that process finished so that

678
00:48:58,269 --> 00:49:01,272
we can get that to you, we'll do our best.

679
00:49:01,272 --> 00:49:03,272
>> okay.

680
00:49:04,308 --> 00:49:05,750
commissioner joffe.

681
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:08,813
>> I just think it would be best between now and

682
00:49:08,813 --> 00:49:12,583
everybody has been working so hard on this, but I just

683
00:49:12,583 --> 00:49:16,320
think given all that has gone on with this project, I

684
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,390
think to the city's benefit, to mr. Paterson's benefit

685
00:49:19,390 --> 00:49:23,127
as well spelled out in the site plan, however it ends

686
00:49:23,127 --> 00:49:25,496
up getting approved whatever, so he knows.

687
00:49:25,496 --> 00:49:30,701
we know, he knows and minimizes down the road.

688
00:49:30,701 --> 00:49:33,237
>> attorney agree with this so we can move with this?

689
00:49:33,237 --> 00:49:36,730
>> can the attorney of the applicant.

690
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:39,476
>> yes, my next thing is I would like the see terry

691
00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:43,214
come up to give his point on that and look at him, get

692
00:49:43,214 --> 00:49:45,816
a consensus here the commission and move passed this

693
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,686
portion of yet so I'll just address that point then.

694
00:49:48,686 --> 00:49:51,589
>> just that one point, please.

695
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:53,224
>> name and address.

696
00:49:53,224 --> 00:49:55,359
>> say your name one time and address and we'll go from

697
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:55,559
there.

698
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,959
>> 27021 northeast 42nd streetlighthouse point.

699
00:50:00,898 --> 00:50:02,766
>> yeah, these items are minor.

700
00:50:02,766 --> 00:50:08,166
the first was the turning radius of the car.

701
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:10,574
you have a search of all of this.

702
00:50:10,574 --> 00:50:13,944
our traffic engineers auto turn, was just slightly off,

703
00:50:13,944 --> 00:50:18,415
but you can see there is so much space there, so there

704
00:50:18,415 --> 00:50:21,785
is nothing we're really worried about, but he should

705
00:50:21,785 --> 00:50:25,890
provide a new auto turn which is what the city is

706
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:27,358
asking for, very simple.

707
00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:31,529
>>> you're in agreement the turn needs to be largeer.

708
00:50:31,529 --> 00:50:32,696
>> not larger.

709
00:50:32,696 --> 00:50:36,667
>>> whatever the correct shape or geometry is.

710
00:50:36,667 --> 00:50:38,667
>> correct, agree.

711
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:44,141
and twroordz the 22 feet from the for the boom, I guess

712
00:50:44,141 --> 00:50:48,646
we had calculated 23 feet 8, it was doesn't in a

713
00:50:48,646 --> 00:50:52,683
different way, I agree with the way the city's traffic

714
00:50:52,683 --> 00:50:57,588
engineer has done it I gave you guys a copy of a

715
00:50:57,588 --> 00:51:01,692
suggestion that we need to sit with jim and city

716
00:51:01,692 --> 00:51:06,163
traffic engineer and make sure they're a good one to be

717
00:51:06,163 --> 00:51:10,267
honest, my suggestion was to move the exiting boom to

718
00:51:10,267 --> 00:51:13,103
22 feet, but considering -- I'm sorry, diana's

719
00:51:13,103 --> 00:51:17,608
comments, I feel like the boom should be as close as

720
00:51:17,608 --> 00:51:21,278
possible to the stop sign, which maybe we should --

721
00:51:21,278 --> 00:51:25,349
I've got a dotted line, you'll see a little further

722
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:29,853
there, maybe we should extend the red line is what I

723
00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:33,924
was suggesting that we extend the island a little bit

724
00:51:33,924 --> 00:51:35,626
and move the boom.

725
00:51:35,626 --> 00:51:38,996
but maybe we should extend it even further.

726
00:51:38,996 --> 00:51:41,231
the boom we have 11 feet from the roadway already.

727
00:51:41,231 --> 00:51:43,634
maybe it should be closer to the roadway so it is right

728
00:51:43,634 --> 00:51:44,435
by the stop sign.

729
00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:48,105
I think is something that diana, jim and myself decide,

730
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:51,342
but it is a simple fix in my mind.

731
00:51:51,342 --> 00:51:55,446
>> and we're on b now, what about, it says in the

732
00:51:55,446 --> 00:51:58,882
report and maybe this has been rendered moot by this

733
00:51:58,882 --> 00:51:59,183
development.

734
00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:01,652
reconfigures raying of redesign of the exit would be

735
00:52:01,652 --> 00:52:02,987
necessary to meet that requirement.

736
00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:05,522
>> that is what I did rezy design.

737
00:52:05,522 --> 00:52:08,359
>>> is that what you're talking about, this is what

738
00:52:08,359 --> 00:52:09,994
you're talking about will accomplish that?

739
00:52:09,994 --> 00:52:10,861
>> yes.

740
00:52:10,861 --> 00:52:15,165
if they can work all of that, the concern was, you

741
00:52:15,165 --> 00:52:19,360
can't, per the code, you can't have that 22 feet.

742
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,972
the way it is currently designed there is not

743
00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:22,606
sufficient space.

744
00:52:22,606 --> 00:52:29,806
so my thought was and then I think what we talked about

745
00:52:41,425 --> 00:52:43,425
with diana.

746
00:52:44,528 --> 00:52:46,928
>>> diana are you on.

747
00:52:48,365 --> 00:52:51,365
>> I'm here, I'm listening, guys.

748
00:52:54,738 --> 00:52:58,108
jim provided a picture of a revision that he had spoken

749
00:52:58,108 --> 00:53:00,244
to the applicant prior to this meeting.

750
00:53:00,244 --> 00:53:04,748
and my concern is that the reservior needs be handled

751
00:53:04,748 --> 00:53:09,319
entirely by this site and not by anything else outside

752
00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:10,187
of property.

753
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:16,787
so I offered to sit down with the applicant and with

754
00:53:17,795 --> 00:53:23,195
jim to provide some geometry alignments that would work

755
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,401
better for the boom.

756
00:53:26,737 --> 00:53:33,337
>> so just to follow up with that chain where the last

757
00:53:34,912 --> 00:53:40,312
southern driveway is located or a geometry of the

758
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:46,418
roadway out sit down whoever the architect and make

759
00:53:47,124 --> 00:53:49,124
sure it works.

760
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:56,359
and even if it is moved it is probably minimal once we

761
00:53:57,468 --> 00:53:59,468
do the lane.

762
00:53:59,536 --> 00:54:03,807
>> it should be handled entirely by this site, that is

763
00:54:03,807 --> 00:54:05,375
what is called reservior.

764
00:54:05,375 --> 00:54:11,375
>>> if we were to do that, have 100% on silent, the

765
00:54:11,415 --> 00:54:15,953
stop -- on site, what as it is currently designed --

766
00:54:15,953 --> 00:54:21,492
how many feet do we have to the pile creek paver

767
00:54:21,492 --> 00:54:24,492
driveway for the southernmost unit.

768
00:54:24,728 --> 00:54:28,932
based on my review of the plans provided to me, you

769
00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:33,470
know, it is a plus or minus, since I have a different

770
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:35,372
computer software than the architect.

771
00:54:35,372 --> 00:54:40,772
what is provided today is 15 feet 11 inches, ruch live

772
00:54:42,746 --> 00:54:44,810
15 feet.

773
00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:48,881
>> six feet, roughly, about 16 six feet we're talking

774
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:50,687
about.

775
00:54:50,687 --> 00:54:51,688
>> that we're missing, krejt.

776
00:54:51,688 --> 00:54:55,888
>> and how wide is the paver driveway?

777
00:54:57,895 --> 00:54:59,963
>> I know it is set too far.

778
00:54:59,963 --> 00:55:05,363
>>> at least probably what 16 or 18, I don't have the

779
00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:12,342
measurement.

780
00:55:12,342 --> 00:55:12,843
18.

781
00:55:12,843 --> 00:55:17,748
>> if you were to shrink that they would have a 12-foot

782
00:55:17,748 --> 00:55:21,819
entryway, would they under code be able to open up?

783
00:55:21,819 --> 00:55:25,122
>> there are many way, I wouldn't want to shrink it, I

784
00:55:25,122 --> 00:55:26,190
rather just turn it.

785
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,893
I would rather sit with diana and jame and figure out

786
00:55:29,893 --> 00:55:33,530
and see what is on their minds, that is the simplest

787
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:34,832
way just tilt it.

788
00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:38,368
there might be our solutions they I have.

789
00:55:38,368 --> 00:55:39,837
>> and you're open the that?

790
00:55:39,837 --> 00:55:41,837
>> absolutely, very much.

791
00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:47,678
>> we know there is a solution and that is simply agele

792
00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:51,315
the driveway, I'm trying to avoid that because of the

793
00:55:51,315 --> 00:55:53,183
consistent ski of the project.

794
00:55:53,183 --> 00:55:55,583
>> commissioners joffe, go ahead.

795
00:56:00,123 --> 00:56:03,723
>> on this topic the infamous booms.

796
00:56:05,729 --> 00:56:07,864
I read a letter today from somebody.

797
00:56:07,864 --> 00:56:10,330
and I watched all the planning and zoning meetings,

798
00:56:10,330 --> 00:56:12,736
guard gate, boom, I know they're going to go up right

799
00:56:12,736 --> 00:56:12,936
away.

800
00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:16,600
I completely understand what you're trying to

801
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,444
achievement back there kind of keep it separate, I get

802
00:56:20,444 --> 00:56:21,311
all that.

803
00:56:21,311 --> 00:56:24,281
my recollection is the planning and zoning board still

804
00:56:24,281 --> 00:56:26,583
express some concern about about the booms.

805
00:56:26,583 --> 00:56:31,540
I know not part of the conditions, what this person

806
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:35,920
suggested, was that essentially we give it a try.

807
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,597
and I know that is not in any of the documents all the

808
00:56:40,597 --> 00:56:44,868
decisionmakers are here which is a good thing for you,

809
00:56:44,868 --> 00:56:49,506
I I was wondering if you would be amenable to giving

810
00:56:49,506 --> 00:56:55,120
the booms a try and if there is a problem that all of

811
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,849
these geniuses and smart people that have tried to

812
00:56:58,849 --> 00:57:02,185
predict traffic patterns and beged and pleaded and

813
00:57:02,185 --> 00:57:06,456
figured out that the city, come up with something has

814
00:57:06,456 --> 00:57:10,260
the ability to request that the booms be removed.

815
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:13,960
>> that was my suggestion at the last planning and

816
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:13,397
zoneing.

817
00:57:13,397 --> 00:57:16,466
>> that was his suggestion if you remember correctly.

818
00:57:16,466 --> 00:57:20,370
>> I didn't memorize the meeting I just attend them.

819
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:23,273
>> he actually recommended that that they give it time

820
00:57:23,273 --> 00:57:26,209
trial and planning and zoning board actually said no.

821
00:57:26,209 --> 00:57:29,209
actually susan motley mentioned that.

822
00:57:31,815 --> 00:57:35,152
>> I don't know what that language would look like,

823
00:57:35,152 --> 00:57:38,822
last thing I want to do is fight about the language

824
00:57:38,822 --> 00:57:41,158
give it a year, have a look.

825
00:57:41,158 --> 00:57:43,158
the I mean.

826
00:57:45,662 --> 00:57:46,997
>> it is a complicated.

827
00:57:46,997 --> 00:57:52,369
>> it is not complicated but has a lot of moving parts

828
00:57:52,369 --> 00:57:55,380
you do want to slow traffic.

829
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:57,441
>> I want to count the traffic and get photo of it and

830
00:57:57,441 --> 00:57:59,242
keep it safe and that actually helps with the study.

831
00:57:59,242 --> 00:58:03,442
>> I thought, it was a good idea.

832
00:58:03,814 --> 00:58:05,814
>> agreed.

833
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:12,756
does anybody think it is a good idea or not a good

834
00:58:12,756 --> 00:58:13,560
idea?

835
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,493
>> I would they the plans he mentioned on the board

836
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,329
meeting they said that isn't what they looked at.

837
00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:23,567
it is, I like -- I have no issues.

838
00:58:23,567 --> 00:58:26,570
I thought it was a great suggestion.

839
00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:28,380
I moved on from it.

840
00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:31,541
however, though what I would just say is it becomes

841
00:58:31,541 --> 00:58:33,276
arbitrariry of what work, right?

842
00:58:33,276 --> 00:58:37,130
>> and so if we have the smartest people doing the

843
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:40,417
geometry and gee metrical shapes and all this fun stuff

844
00:58:40,417 --> 00:58:43,453
and they're going over inches and feet and centimeters

845
00:58:43,453 --> 00:58:47,190
and whatever and all of a sudden they go, did that

846
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:47,524
work?

847
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:48,525
yes, no.

848
00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:49,526
yes, no.

849
00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:52,362
then we're back to square one where we're having a

850
00:58:52,362 --> 00:58:52,629
discussion.

851
00:58:52,629 --> 00:58:56,700
so I have no problems with making it a year, I really

852
00:58:56,700 --> 00:59:00,700
don't if that puts people at ease, but again, imcome

853
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:03,840
back to the fact that that was already brought up and

854
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,842
it was very clearly put away.

855
00:59:05,842 --> 00:59:08,578
>>> okay, well, I'm not going die on that hill in are

856
00:59:08,578 --> 00:59:10,347
other hills I'm going to die on tonight.

857
00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:14,484
but I think it is a good idea, but I just.

858
00:59:14,484 --> 00:59:18,155
>> I agree with jason, I think it is a good idea, too.

859
00:59:18,155 --> 00:59:20,891
when I read it I thought, try it.

860
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:24,728
if it doesn't workings then we'll sit down.

861
00:59:24,728 --> 00:59:28,165
>> in fairness, it is going to -- it is easier said

862
00:59:28,165 --> 00:59:31,268
here than drafting it in an agreement that everybody is

863
00:59:31,268 --> 00:59:34,671
going to be clear who gets to decide what doesn't work

864
00:59:34,671 --> 00:59:36,600
and stuff like the.

865
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,750
>> if it doesn't work, I'm the one that will be getting

866
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:41,111
most of those letters and calls and complaints.

867
00:59:41,111 --> 00:59:41,678
>> this is true.

868
00:59:41,678 --> 00:59:45,182
>> and just to add, too, that was part of diana's

869
00:59:45,182 --> 00:59:48,351
analysis if she did actually look at the booms and

870
00:59:48,351 --> 00:59:51,221
whether those would be traffic issues and she doesn't

871
00:59:51,221 --> 00:59:52,789
have an as high as.

872
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:54,124
>> that is a fair point.

873
00:59:54,124 --> 00:59:56,426
>> she did say it in the memo.

874
00:59:56,426 --> 00:59:58,628
>> that there was no issues with the boom.

875
00:59:58,628 --> 00:59:58,995
I just.

876
00:59:58,995 --> 01:00:02,332
>> and that is a fair point, those I don't want to now

877
01:00:02,332 --> 01:00:05,135
remove the booms and screw up the hard work people have

878
01:00:05,135 --> 01:00:07,204
done to figure out whether the booms work.

879
01:00:07,204 --> 01:00:09,604
that is a fair.

880
01:00:10,373 --> 01:00:13,677
>> would the commission be open to just having to

881
01:00:13,677 --> 01:00:17,347
reopener on it, that the booms are in and if eater

882
01:00:17,347 --> 01:00:19,683
party determines that they're not functioning properly

883
01:00:19,683 --> 01:00:22,953
or as intended that they will get together and resolve

884
01:00:22,953 --> 01:00:26,289
the issue with the possibility of having the booms be

885
01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:29,259
removed because that could happen in a month, that

886
01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:33,230
could happen in a year you know, we could just put some

887
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:36,566
reopener on the that issue in there and leave the

888
01:00:36,566 --> 01:00:40,203
timing open to terry determining a month in this is not

889
01:00:40,203 --> 01:00:44,508
working I need to go to the city right away and this is

890
01:00:44,508 --> 01:00:44,841
why.

891
01:00:44,841 --> 01:00:48,645
you know, we could possibly build something in the

892
01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:51,681
development agreement that just provides a general

893
01:00:51,681 --> 01:00:55,919
reopener on the boom, because right now we have a

894
01:00:55,919 --> 01:01:00,190
traffic if it doesn't work we both should know it.

895
01:01:00,190 --> 01:01:04,160
and then we work in good faith to come up with a

896
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,430
solution and if we can't they come down, something like

897
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:07,797
that.

898
01:01:07,797 --> 01:01:10,600
>> if it doesn't work, I have more interest in getting

899
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,102
rid of them than you do.

900
01:01:12,102 --> 01:01:12,836
>>> that is true.

901
01:01:12,836 --> 01:01:16,740
>> so what do you propose exactly for the term for how

902
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:18,375
we state that properly, mike?

903
01:01:18,375 --> 01:01:21,440
I guess my question, I just want to make sure to

904
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,712
commissioner joffe's pointed and everybody here, we

905
01:01:22,712 --> 01:01:25,815
want to make sure we say it right so that we all feel

906
01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:27,951
comfortable and walk away here heap with this one.

907
01:01:27,951 --> 01:01:32,822
>> would because it is in the site plan, I would put a

908
01:01:32,822 --> 01:01:36,526
noalt in the site plan approval it is subject to

909
01:01:36,526 --> 01:01:39,863
reopening should the city or applicant determine it is

910
01:01:39,863 --> 01:01:41,364
not functioning as intended.

911
01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:43,133
leave it at that, something simple.

912
01:01:43,133 --> 01:01:47,637
that will be a note in the site plan and the planners

913
01:01:47,637 --> 01:01:51,700
will determine it the applicant will determine it and

914
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:55,111
like anything else the site plan if there is an issue

915
01:01:55,111 --> 01:01:59,649
find way to get a planning and zoning board if we can't

916
01:01:59,649 --> 01:02:00,750
resolve the issue.

917
01:02:00,750 --> 01:02:05,622
I'm just saying and you know, I think that is enough

918
01:02:05,622 --> 01:02:09,125
for if booms with the dwhraftion we have.

919
01:02:09,125 --> 01:02:11,227
>> and that will be reflected in the sicked reading.

920
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:14,827
>> reflected in is the site plan.

921
01:02:21,805 --> 01:02:26,243
>> everyone is good with the just stated commissioner,

922
01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:26,776
good.

923
01:02:26,776 --> 01:02:30,447
>> can we hear from the mayor, does he have an opinion?

924
01:02:30,447 --> 01:02:34,718
>> mayor troast, do you have an opinion on this?

925
01:02:34,718 --> 01:02:36,718
diswr.

926
01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:40,957
>> I agree with the tact that the being proposed I

927
01:02:40,957 --> 01:02:44,661
think we go with the attack being proposeed and move

928
01:02:44,661 --> 01:02:45,280
forward.

929
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,199
>> okay, thank you, f moving onto the next one.

930
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:51,199
>> moved on.

931
01:02:51,267 --> 01:02:53,667
>> we're on a roll.

932
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,474
number two, I'm sorry, not looking where you're talking

933
01:02:57,474 --> 01:03:00,944
so number two is really just talking about the

934
01:03:00,944 --> 01:03:04,814
consistency of the site plan where what we made changes

935
01:03:04,814 --> 01:03:08,685
to the development agreement and the site plan, we need

936
01:03:08,685 --> 01:03:12,956
to make sure the site plan is consistent with all of

937
01:03:12,956 --> 01:03:17,193
those so that is just minor things make surg that we

938
01:03:17,193 --> 01:03:21,640
have locations were we have that just some of the.

939
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,934
>> sorry to interrupt, we are all in agreement that

940
01:03:24,934 --> 01:03:28,380
we're going have guard house everywhere guard houses

941
01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:30,774
located to be changed to entry feature.

942
01:03:30,774 --> 01:03:32,742
>> the only point.

943
01:03:32,742 --> 01:03:35,545
>> yes, I agree with that in concept.

944
01:03:35,545 --> 01:03:40,784
the point I have is when I went through the ycmu again

945
01:03:40,784 --> 01:03:45,155
with the city attorney, I believe it is still referred

946
01:03:45,155 --> 01:03:50,393
to as a guard house in the ycmu are we talking about

947
01:03:50,393 --> 01:03:51,695
amending the ycmu?

948
01:03:51,695 --> 01:03:53,697
>> we would have to amend the zone as well.

949
01:03:53,697 --> 01:03:58,368
we have to change that to entry feature.

950
01:03:58,368 --> 01:04:00,368
>> and the ycmu.

951
01:04:00,670 --> 01:04:02,439
>> it is in there several time.

952
01:04:02,439 --> 01:04:07,239
>> we need to comb through everything, contingent on

953
01:04:07,544 --> 01:04:08,111
making.

954
01:04:08,111 --> 01:04:08,712
to make that change.

955
01:04:08,712 --> 01:04:11,748
>> and the definition, for example, these are important

956
01:04:11,748 --> 01:04:14,117
definitions, that is where I'm coming from.

957
01:04:14,117 --> 01:04:16,419
I'm in the ycmu.

958
01:04:16,419 --> 01:04:20,256
a building that meets the standard of the florida

959
01:04:20,256 --> 01:04:23,159
building code, located in the commercial recreation

960
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:27,363
land use area such as tennis center, which candidly, I

961
01:04:27,363 --> 01:04:31,167
believe we now call the tennis center bistro, the

962
01:04:31,167 --> 01:04:34,971
children activity center is now called the kids center

963
01:04:34,971 --> 01:04:37,400
I think if I'm right.

964
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,311
a or that is located in the principal residential land

965
01:04:41,311 --> 01:04:45,949
use area such as a guard house are we talking about

966
01:04:45,949 --> 01:04:47,183
that as well?

967
01:04:47,183 --> 01:04:52,583
>> which is fine, but I guess I'm just wondering.

968
01:04:54,591 --> 01:04:57,527
>> just be consistent throughout our document just

969
01:04:57,527 --> 01:05:00,463
absolutely, that is who what we're getting at.

970
01:05:00,463 --> 01:05:03,733
again, we'll probably hit the phasing plan again a

971
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,337
little bit further down, but just make sure that we've

972
01:05:07,337 --> 01:05:10,974
got the updates and we understand that the exhibit that

973
01:05:10,974 --> 01:05:14,577
has the actual site phasing plan that shows what is

974
01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:17,113
happening matches up with the phasing narrative.

975
01:05:17,113 --> 01:05:19,849
so that is one of the condition, too we'll talk a

976
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:21,351
little bit about that as well.

977
01:05:21,351 --> 01:05:24,354
>> so we got that taken care of, correct in.

978
01:05:24,354 --> 01:05:26,354
>> yeah.

979
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:30,426
soirks I just want to make sure we're all clear on each

980
01:05:30,426 --> 01:05:32,662
one of them to move passed that one.

981
01:05:32,662 --> 01:05:34,798
>> jim, sorry about, that I would just like to make

982
01:05:34,798 --> 01:05:36,766
sure all the commissioners are good down the line here.

983
01:05:36,766 --> 01:05:40,966
>> please, interrupt me I've been at commission

984
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,707
meetings all day just say stop talking.

985
01:05:44,707 --> 01:05:46,176
>> fla and then those changes.

986
01:05:46,176 --> 01:05:49,646
and then, yeah, so again, this is just to make sure

987
01:05:49,646 --> 01:05:52,816
that when this, if this comes back for a second

988
01:05:52,816 --> 01:05:56,319
reading, the site plan matches up with all of the other

989
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:59,155
pieces and all the things we're talking about today

990
01:05:59,155 --> 01:06:00,423
which are in agreement.

991
01:06:00,423 --> 01:06:04,327
>> on the third item is the traffic calming along

992
01:06:04,327 --> 01:06:08,264
northeast 27th, this was one, my apology, this is one

993
01:06:08,264 --> 01:06:11,367
no one saw until you got this today.

994
01:06:11,367 --> 01:06:13,367
>> including.

995
01:06:13,536 --> 01:06:14,771
>> the applicant, right?

996
01:06:14,771 --> 01:06:17,607
>> including the applicant, again, my apologies for not

997
01:06:17,607 --> 01:06:21,110
getting this owrkts I don't know if you -- there is a

998
01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:24,280
summary here this is actually a summary in the report

999
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,116
in the analysis so my analysis summarizes what is

1000
01:06:27,116 --> 01:06:27,817
there.

1001
01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:33,389
if you want specific questions, again, dianne is is --

1002
01:06:33,389 --> 01:06:40,589
die glan is on-line and she can answer if you need to.

1003
01:06:40,897 --> 01:06:45,535
>> big picture as I understand it, like, this has

1004
01:06:45,535 --> 01:06:50,139
been -- this has been, this is a qualification that has

1005
01:06:50,139 --> 01:06:54,277
been approve by the planning and recommended by the

1006
01:06:54,277 --> 01:06:58,140
planning and zoning board the city's traffic consultant

1007
01:06:58,140 --> 01:07:03,520
has now provided a 2-page memo on a bunch of different

1008
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,690
things candidly, that mr. Paterson and I will spar on

1009
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:13,229
the cost of other things but I like to be fair about

1010
01:07:13,229 --> 01:07:13,763
things.

1011
01:07:13,763 --> 01:07:16,199
I don't know if he's on board with all of this stuff.

1012
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:19,168
right now as recommended and as requested by the

1013
01:07:19,168 --> 01:07:22,472
planning and zoning board, you know, this is what the

1014
01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:25,141
city retain traffic says the traffic calming solutions

1015
01:07:25,141 --> 01:07:28,111
have to be, candidly, have no idea whether the

1016
01:07:28,111 --> 01:07:30,446
applicant is good with that or not.

1017
01:07:30,446 --> 01:07:35,385
and I don't think it is very fair to have them right

1018
01:07:35,385 --> 01:07:39,880
now getting for the first time look at it.

1019
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:40,556
>> I have my comment.

1020
01:07:40,556 --> 01:07:42,556
>> ready to rock?

1021
01:07:43,793 --> 01:07:49,193
>> possible even a sidewalk which is not included in

1022
01:07:51,935 --> 01:07:57,335
this piece and we rule talk to the neighbors.

1023
01:07:59,208 --> 01:08:02,780
the residents affected by it and I don't know if we've

1024
01:08:02,780 --> 01:08:05,148
done that yet or if they want a sidewalk there and that

1025
01:08:05,148 --> 01:08:07,717
is a great cost to everybody, especially the home owner

1026
01:08:07,717 --> 01:08:08,751
who doesn't want sidewalk.

1027
01:08:08,751 --> 01:08:11,454
it is also on the east side where it would probably

1028
01:08:11,454 --> 01:08:12,422
make more logical sense.

1029
01:08:12,422 --> 01:08:16,893
but we have telephone poles there, so I get that.

1030
01:08:16,893 --> 01:08:20,263
>> so why don't we hear what mr. Paterson has to say.

1031
01:08:20,263 --> 01:08:21,731
>> yep, that is what we're going do.

1032
01:08:21,731 --> 01:08:25,368
>> let's just start at the sidewalk which is not on

1033
01:08:25,368 --> 01:08:25,668
here.

1034
01:08:25,668 --> 01:08:29,973
I want a sidewalk, but it is not as you said not

1035
01:08:29,973 --> 01:08:33,209
address simple address just putting in a sidewalk so

1036
01:08:33,209 --> 01:08:37,847
you guys as the city can figure out how to put in a

1037
01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:41,784
sidewalk, we would like the put in a sidewalk, but I

1038
01:08:41,784 --> 01:08:45,210
don't see anything about that addressed yet so let's

1039
01:08:45,210 --> 01:08:47,490
look at the possible traffic calming treatments.

1040
01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:48,458
first of all.

1041
01:08:48,458 --> 01:08:50,560
>> why are we skipping over the first part?

1042
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:57,160
>> giving -- I moon you want the read the whole thing?

1043
01:09:00,737 --> 01:09:01,104
>> no.

1044
01:09:01,104 --> 01:09:02,105
>> I've got note.

1045
01:09:02,105 --> 01:09:03,573
>> okay.

1046
01:09:03,573 --> 01:09:07,110
>> so let's go to the first page then, the first 100

1047
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:10,790
feet of pavement by the area closer to northwest 39th

1048
01:09:10,790 --> 01:09:11,848
street is about 28 feet wide.

1049
01:09:11,848 --> 01:09:15,485
you know there is a section as you turn in there, it is

1050
01:09:15,485 --> 01:09:17,920
wider, I'm not sure how that ever came about.

1051
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,920
>> it is parking.

1052
01:09:20,690 --> 01:09:22,690
>> works out great.

1053
01:09:24,260 --> 01:09:27,530
I don't know if that is swale from somebody's house but

1054
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:30,233
one of the recommendations they're making is to create

1055
01:09:30,233 --> 01:09:32,869
a little bit of an island coming into 27th.

1056
01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:34,700
I love that idea.

1057
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:36,806
I'd love to pay for that idea if you can swing that, if

1058
01:09:36,806 --> 01:09:38,975
you can say yes to that, I'm all over it.

1059
01:09:38,975 --> 01:09:46,775
and then as they put in here, it creates a bit of a

1060
01:09:47,216 --> 01:09:52,616
neighborhood feel that you're going to want to slow

1061
01:09:52,955 --> 01:09:53,589
down.

1062
01:09:53,589 --> 01:09:57,126
>> the next page is more on makingn comments on what

1063
01:09:57,126 --> 01:09:58,940
kru just saw.

1064
01:09:58,940 --> 01:10:01,798
the pavement on the street is all cracked up and not in

1065
01:10:01,798 --> 01:10:02,398
good condition.

1066
01:10:02,398 --> 01:10:04,200
and thank you very much for doing that.

1067
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,203
because in a few years when you guys look at that

1068
01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:10,473
street and blame me for it, you have proof of your own

1069
01:10:10,473 --> 01:10:12,642
it is not me who destroyed that street.

1070
01:10:12,642 --> 01:10:16,913
they noted that markings should be redone on the

1071
01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:21,150
street, that o and reasphalt the street, because it

1072
01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:25,388
tends to just create more of a neighborhood feeling,

1073
01:10:25,388 --> 01:10:29,158
again, not because I've gone and destroyed anything,

1074
01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:31,600
you've all seen it.

1075
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,796
the other recommendation they're giving is making

1076
01:10:33,796 --> 01:10:37,400
instead of we've got -- I think we have 22-foot-wide

1077
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,337
streets there, I think our code is 21, 22, something

1078
01:10:41,337 --> 01:10:42,905
like that.

1079
01:10:42,905 --> 01:10:45,905
they're recommending a 20-foot-wide street.

1080
01:10:46,943 --> 01:10:48,544
making them narrower.

1081
01:10:48,544 --> 01:10:52,648
I know you're not going to ask me to do I'm absolutely

1082
01:10:52,648 --> 01:10:56,719
not going to agree to rip up an entire street for no

1083
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,421
reason matching the entire city.

1084
01:10:58,421 --> 01:11:03,426
and I don't think that would serve us wisely, it won't

1085
01:11:03,426 --> 01:11:04,360
be safe.

1086
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,264
you know, there is a lot of people that walk up and

1087
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:09,232
down the street.

1088
01:11:09,232 --> 01:11:13,169
>> I think it gets back to the side, that is one of the

1089
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:16,572
pieces I was when I just read over this one here, that

1090
01:11:16,572 --> 01:11:19,375
that sidewalk piece adds into it, I know there are

1091
01:11:19,375 --> 01:11:22,178
plenty of people who walk and down the street whether

1092
01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:24,413
to the yacht club or just in general.

1093
01:11:24,413 --> 01:11:27,450
>> an option would be making it a smaller street and

1094
01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:28,484
putting in a sidewalk.

1095
01:11:28,484 --> 01:11:32,989
that is not something I would be throg pay for is

1096
01:11:32,989 --> 01:11:36,993
mulling a entire city street and making it a smaller

1097
01:11:36,993 --> 01:11:37,426
size.

1098
01:11:37,426 --> 01:11:41,264
this street is probably due for -- I don't know if it

1099
01:11:41,264 --> 01:11:44,734
is every 15 years, in ft. Lauderdale they redo the

1100
01:11:44,734 --> 01:11:45,301
streets.

1101
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:48,671
our street over there is obviously do.

1102
01:11:48,671 --> 01:11:52,271
it is do due for something.

1103
01:11:53,476 --> 01:11:57,647
the concrete median in the beginning I like that, point

1104
01:11:57,647 --> 01:11:58,514
number b.

1105
01:11:58,514 --> 01:12:01,317
>> wouldn't that have to be on the site.

1106
01:12:01,317 --> 01:12:07,757
>> it is not on the site plan, how do we accomplish all

1107
01:12:07,757 --> 01:12:12,195
this condition we like it, assuming everybody there is

1108
01:12:12,195 --> 01:12:17,133
a consensus a we put in the development agreement lou

1109
01:12:17,133 --> 01:12:18,134
do we.

1110
01:12:18,134 --> 01:12:24,473
>> one of the knsz of the planning and zoning board for

1111
01:12:24,473 --> 01:12:29,745
the site plan so we could probably add something there

1112
01:12:29,745 --> 01:12:35,518
that says that whatever is agreed to, we can put a

1113
01:12:35,518 --> 01:12:39,222
sentence in here as well, you know.

1114
01:12:39,222 --> 01:12:43,192
>> and obviously it would be agreed upon median with

1115
01:12:43,192 --> 01:12:47,196
the city and traffic engineer that we would put in,

1116
01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:47,563
obviously.

1117
01:12:47,563 --> 01:12:51,163
>> who own os that land, though.

1118
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:55,838
>> it is and I'll just say, I would like to have

1119
01:12:55,838 --> 01:13:00,900
something in there saying that yes, we will work as a

1120
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:03,779
city and the applicant to develop common plan 427 you

1121
01:13:03,779 --> 01:13:06,782
know, my concern is what the opportunities they

1122
01:13:06,782 --> 01:13:10,586
provided for us is you know, speed bumps and humps,

1123
01:13:10,586 --> 01:13:13,956
electronic speed sign, that is usually good for a

1124
01:13:13,956 --> 01:13:17,727
couple of days and people just ignore jits four hours.

1125
01:13:17,727 --> 01:13:19,695
>> if that.

1126
01:13:19,695 --> 01:13:20,596
>> other don't see it.

1127
01:13:20,596 --> 01:13:23,733
I think there is a lot of opportunities if we're truly

1128
01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:24,834
concerned about the speeding.

1129
01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:29,338
we're not going to affect the number of cars but will

1130
01:13:29,338 --> 01:13:33,900
affect the speed of the cars, the sidewalk, something

1131
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:36,646
we've gotten input from our residents being affected by

1132
01:13:36,646 --> 01:13:37,790
it.

1133
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:41,651
that is what I want to make sure happens as well.

1134
01:13:41,651 --> 01:13:47,356
>> if I was that person, and I park my truck there I

1135
01:13:47,356 --> 01:13:52,194
would be a little miffed if there is a traffic flow

1136
01:13:52,194 --> 01:13:53,529
coming through there.

1137
01:13:53,529 --> 01:13:56,799
you're right, it is city property but rather than

1138
01:13:56,799 --> 01:14:00,469
trying to agree on these things right now close to,

1139
01:14:00,469 --> 01:14:04,140
just saying, look, we agree there is traffic, we will

1140
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:07,430
work with the applicant in order do that.

1141
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:09,679
>> which could include and we could list all these

1142
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:09,946
things.

1143
01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:15,946
>> but up to and including and not exclusive to that

1144
01:14:21,657 --> 01:14:24,657
other sidewalk we put in.

1145
01:14:26,996 --> 01:14:31,167
we also took a lot of concern and consideration.

1146
01:14:31,167 --> 01:14:31,867
>> which looks amazing. S

1147
01:14:31,867 --> 01:14:35,538
>> we tried our best to make sure we accommodated all

1148
01:14:35,538 --> 01:14:36,539
of our residents.

1149
01:14:36,539 --> 01:14:40,309
>> we have on the east side and west side, east side

1150
01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:43,479
has none of the telephone poles there which the west

1151
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:44,113
side does.

1152
01:14:44,113 --> 01:14:47,450
west side will take you directly in not having to cross

1153
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:48,500
another road.

1154
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:52,655
so these are things that we can work up separately, as

1155
01:14:52,655 --> 01:14:56,859
a different issue, doesn't have to go through all of

1156
01:14:56,859 --> 01:14:59,762
this probably going through planning and zoning.

1157
01:14:59,762 --> 01:15:03,332
>> the city would pay for the sidewalks or the

1158
01:15:03,332 --> 01:15:03,733
applicant?

1159
01:15:03,733 --> 01:15:04,667
>> under this, the applicant.

1160
01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:05,267
>> the applicant.

1161
01:15:05,267 --> 01:15:10,670
>> yes, we've agreed that we would do that.

1162
01:15:10,373 --> 01:15:13,109
>> because there is safe street money, this would be a

1163
01:15:13,109 --> 01:15:15,578
couple of years before we had to put them in.

1164
01:15:15,578 --> 01:15:20,616
>> can I give you my what I would like to see and I

1165
01:15:20,616 --> 01:15:24,987
would love for us and the city to work together to make

1166
01:15:24,987 --> 01:15:28,924
happen is put the sidewalk on the street sphor that the

1167
01:15:28,924 --> 01:15:32,561
code needs to continue just have a sidewalk whrefl the

1168
01:15:32,561 --> 01:15:32,895
curb.

1169
01:15:32,895 --> 01:15:37,767
a city sidewalk has to be a publicity sidewalk has to

1170
01:15:37,767 --> 01:15:42,171
be 5 feet wide, a sidewalk like mine on private

1171
01:15:42,171 --> 01:15:47,430
property can be 4-feet wide we all know about the trees

1172
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:52,815
and pole, but if we build it, and I don't want to say

1173
01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:56,786
which side right now because I don't want neighbors

1174
01:15:56,786 --> 01:15:58,554
getting angry at me.

1175
01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:00,122
you have to decide.

1176
01:16:00,122 --> 01:16:01,690
>> half will be upset.

1177
01:16:01,690 --> 01:16:06,295
>> that is true if a curb is more expense toiv do a

1178
01:16:06,295 --> 01:16:07,696
sidewalk with a curb.

1179
01:16:07,696 --> 01:16:13,696
but I would then approach county or state or somebody

1180
01:16:15,271 --> 01:16:21,271
to maybe potentially help with funding we said we will

1181
01:16:22,812 --> 01:16:25,212
take on that burden.

1182
01:16:25,848 --> 01:16:29,618
>> and the issue you have with the curbing is we have

1183
01:16:29,618 --> 01:16:30,252
drainage issues.

1184
01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:30,619
>> yes, sir.

1185
01:16:30,619 --> 01:16:33,556
>> right now a lot of the drainage goes into the swale

1186
01:16:33,556 --> 01:16:36,459
which is why we try to bring our grass down to the

1187
01:16:36,459 --> 01:16:37,927
street level so water goes in.

1188
01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:41,464
you're talking about drainage, putting in drains and

1189
01:16:41,464 --> 01:16:42,798
multimillion-dollar for that.

1190
01:16:42,798 --> 01:16:45,301
but I think we can probably come up with something that

1191
01:16:45,301 --> 01:16:46,202
will work for everybody.

1192
01:16:46,202 --> 01:16:51,200
and let's at least somehow memorialize that with

1193
01:16:53,442 --> 01:16:55,277
developer's agreement.

1194
01:16:55,277 --> 01:16:56,579
or site plan.

1195
01:16:56,579 --> 01:17:01,979
>> some of the site plan conditions are being covered

1196
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:09,452
by the development agreement so we can put something in

1197
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:15,159
development agreement about a permanent traffic plan on

1198
01:17:15,865 --> 01:17:20,650
northeast 27 tariff including a raised concrete median

1199
01:17:21,370 --> 01:17:23,770
near northeast 39th street.

1200
01:17:24,106 --> 01:17:28,644
>> that specific we would be locked into that but up to

1201
01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:32,470
and including a number of traffic features except to

1202
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:32,781
understand it.

1203
01:17:32,781 --> 01:17:39,381
>> it is all couple buyia right now and that is great,

1204
01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:47,791
and I understand what you're saying, because I'm having

1205
01:17:49,598 --> 01:17:56,198
a hard time figuring out we can say the parties will

1206
01:17:58,407 --> 01:18:03,807
work together and I think everybody up here agrees

1207
01:18:05,614 --> 01:18:10,414
there needs to be traffic coming on 27th.

1208
01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:20,421
we say you've got to do this and you say no, it is too

1209
01:18:22,298 --> 01:18:24,298
expensive, then what?

1210
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:27,200
>> hates got to be done.

1211
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,940
>> the reason we have this memorandum is so that we

1212
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:34,910
have some definitive answers on what we a at least a

1213
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:38,147
minimum with mr. Paterson, with the applicant, and so

1214
01:18:38,147 --> 01:18:42,818
you know, we went through and I guess it is up to the

1215
01:18:42,818 --> 01:18:43,919
commission you saw.

1216
01:18:43,919 --> 01:18:47,656
these are recommendations and, you know, I guess any

1217
01:18:47,656 --> 01:18:50,960
combination of these would be acceptable to the

1218
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,360
engineer.

1219
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,897
I mean she's on, she can explain that to you.

1220
01:18:54,897 --> 01:18:58,934
but what I got my notes so far just hearing the

1221
01:18:58,934 --> 01:19:02,171
conversations with mr. Patterson would object to a, it

1222
01:19:02,171 --> 01:19:06,208
is too expensive and he's willing to work with the city

1223
01:19:06,208 --> 01:19:09,144
on b, likes the entrance feature on 39th.

1224
01:19:09,144 --> 01:19:11,680
I heard you all make competent comments about the

1225
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,916
electronic feedback sign, not a material thing, that

1226
01:19:13,916 --> 01:19:16,452
could be something the police could do or whatnot.

1227
01:19:16,452 --> 01:19:19,455
it is up to you whether you want to put that specific,

1228
01:19:19,455 --> 01:19:21,991
and another issue is with the speed tables and humps.

1229
01:19:21,991 --> 01:19:24,560
I know we have criteria.

1230
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:28,300
I believe for distancing along a road and if you want

1231
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:30,566
that installed consistent with the criteria, you could

1232
01:19:30,566 --> 01:19:33,402
say, you know, the conditions to meet that condition

1233
01:19:33,402 --> 01:19:36,272
and planning and zoning board would be -- and again,

1234
01:19:36,272 --> 01:19:39,742
I'm not trying to put words in everybody's mouth, but b

1235
01:19:39,742 --> 01:19:44,179
& d in this them more and that go into the site plan as

1236
01:19:44,179 --> 01:19:45,848
condition for the site plan.

1237
01:19:45,848 --> 01:19:49,952
and if there is anything and then the sidewalk is

1238
01:19:49,952 --> 01:19:53,289
already in the developer's agreement, it says 1300

1239
01:19:53,289 --> 01:19:57,426
linear feet, at a location paid for selected by the

1240
01:19:57,426 --> 01:19:57,826
city.

1241
01:19:57,826 --> 01:20:00,796
you know, city is responsible for permitting and

1242
01:20:00,796 --> 01:20:03,650
construction and he's responsible for paying.

1243
01:20:03,650 --> 01:20:04,800
>> correct.

1244
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:09,371
>> so the sidewalk is covered in development agreement

1245
01:20:09,371 --> 01:20:14,900
already, it is just that the conditions for traffic

1246
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:17,460
calming on northeast 27th and not.

1247
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:19,915
there would be the number and locations of permanent

1248
01:20:19,915 --> 01:20:22,751
traffic devices shall be determined by the city which

1249
01:20:22,751 --> 01:20:23,719
is speed humps.

1250
01:20:23,719 --> 01:20:25,654
that is in the development agreement already.

1251
01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:26,188
>> correct.

1252
01:20:26,188 --> 01:20:31,427
>> so really, at least four is if you're reaching

1253
01:20:31,427 --> 01:20:34,630
consensus, b as in boy.

1254
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:39,601
and that could be put into a site plan and anything

1255
01:20:39,601 --> 01:20:43,639
else you all discuss this evening, additional signage,

1256
01:20:43,639 --> 01:20:47,176
additional speed limit signs, you know, remember

1257
01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:50,713
anything we do with traffic control twices.

1258
01:20:50,713 --> 01:20:54,490
that is done in broward county through an local

1259
01:20:54,490 --> 01:20:55,184
agreement with them.

1260
01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:59,321
there should be a study, approach broward county and

1261
01:20:59,321 --> 01:21:02,958
say need a sign there, no you don't.

1262
01:21:02,958 --> 01:21:07,296
distance requirement for speed signs just like stop

1263
01:21:07,296 --> 01:21:09,465
signs and everything else.

1264
01:21:09,465 --> 01:21:15,465
the there is a comment here removing the police slow

1265
01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:21,271
down signs, I think resident dossing that treat those

1266
01:21:21,643 --> 01:21:24,430
as any other signage.

1267
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:28,650
but, maybe if you're looking for a consensus to move

1268
01:21:28,650 --> 01:21:32,688
on, you've got speed humps covered in 1122, and

1269
01:21:32,688 --> 01:21:35,324
development agreement and from the recommendations

1270
01:21:35,324 --> 01:21:37,593
here, you go with b.

1271
01:21:37,593 --> 01:21:42,164
>> I'm trying to visualize, I told you ten times I'm

1272
01:21:42,164 --> 01:21:44,233
horrible at visualizing this stuff.

1273
01:21:44,233 --> 01:21:45,401
>> design would have to be approveed.

1274
01:21:45,401 --> 01:21:48,737
>> I know, you're coming down 39th and heading east,

1275
01:21:48,737 --> 01:21:52,407
you're making a left on 27th to go into the main

1276
01:21:52,407 --> 01:21:55,744
entrance of the yacht club and talk about putting a

1277
01:21:55,744 --> 01:21:57,746
"welcome to the yacht club sign."

1278
01:21:57,746 --> 01:22:01,350
>> I'll standing here I like the idea, I love the

1279
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:04,286
suggestion, but I seriously doubt the neighbor who owns

1280
01:22:04,286 --> 01:22:07,923
that property there is going agree to just give up his

1281
01:22:07,923 --> 01:22:08,891
space, number one.

1282
01:22:08,891 --> 01:22:13,729
number two, the immediate would have to be so narrow

1283
01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:18,600
we're not going to get landscaping and we know what

1284
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,536
nonlandscape medians look like.

1285
01:22:20,536 --> 01:22:23,939
as much as I would love to see that, I just can't see

1286
01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:26,410
how it would work on a 22-foot wide.

1287
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:28,777
>>> I'm think again, the idea is slow traffic.

1288
01:22:28,777 --> 01:22:33,682
what I'm thinking and I think that is what the rest of

1289
01:22:33,682 --> 01:22:37,753
the paragraph b is talking about is somewhere on 27

1290
01:22:37,753 --> 01:22:41,423
thrt is essentially a little -- they do it in

1291
01:22:41,423 --> 01:22:42,157
deerfield.

1292
01:22:42,157 --> 01:22:44,590
>> the narrowing.

1293
01:22:44,590 --> 01:22:48,464
>> I'm not a traffic engineer, I do question whether

1294
01:22:48,464 --> 01:22:53,302
that is going to anger some of the residents in the

1295
01:22:53,302 --> 01:22:53,735
area.

1296
01:22:53,735 --> 01:22:56,638
I don't know why we don't do that in other parking lots

1297
01:22:56,638 --> 01:22:57,372
of the city.

1298
01:22:57,372 --> 01:23:05,130
to me to me the not the sign, but like the median I

1299
01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:10,853
hate just doing this without something to do look at.

1300
01:23:10,853 --> 01:23:13,488
>> commissioner did you have something to say.

1301
01:23:13,488 --> 01:23:14,156
>> no, sir.

1302
01:23:14,156 --> 01:23:17,159
>> my concern is just that, from most of what we're

1303
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:19,895
working with today is within the confines of a parcel.

1304
01:23:19,895 --> 01:23:23,732
and this is the only part that we're talking about,

1305
01:23:23,732 --> 01:23:27,135
coming outside now, on 27th terrace, and we're talking

1306
01:23:27,135 --> 01:23:30,172
about residents, residents how they're going to be

1307
01:23:30,172 --> 01:23:33,976
affected and, you know, with the traffic in and out,

1308
01:23:33,976 --> 01:23:37,813
we're trying to make some sort of calculation of how

1309
01:23:37,813 --> 01:23:41,984
much they're going to be affected and try to come up

1310
01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:45,787
with solutions to it that may affect them even worse

1311
01:23:45,787 --> 01:23:49,992
because if you were to do a median or median like

1312
01:23:49,992 --> 01:23:53,829
deerfield has done you've got to go down and make

1313
01:23:53,829 --> 01:23:58,330
u-turn and I do see it working in deerfield and you

1314
01:23:58,330 --> 01:24:01,837
know, narrow the actual roadway in, not tearing it up,

1315
01:24:01,837 --> 01:24:03,338
put the median there.

1316
01:24:03,338 --> 01:24:06,241
that is usually in someone's property and get a little

1317
01:24:06,241 --> 01:24:09,444
bit more landscaping or it is either a small hedge down

1318
01:24:09,444 --> 01:24:12,347
there or, just regular grass, but, you know, kind of

1319
01:24:12,347 --> 01:24:14,116
brings it in a little bit.

1320
01:24:14,116 --> 01:24:15,350
those are all option os.

1321
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:16,818
I don't really see that here.

1322
01:24:16,818 --> 01:24:20,656
but I don't want to be adversely affecting the

1323
01:24:20,656 --> 01:24:24,893
residents of 27 terrace with what we're trying to do

1324
01:24:24,893 --> 01:24:29,197
because of the yacht club let's make sure whatever we

1325
01:24:29,197 --> 01:24:33,869
do, however we present this, something we put a lot of

1326
01:24:33,869 --> 01:24:38,573
othought into, like we have with north end of the city,

1327
01:24:38,573 --> 01:24:43,278
light house drive and other thins we looked at and said

1328
01:24:43,278 --> 01:24:46,248
how is this going to affect everybody.

1329
01:24:46,248 --> 01:24:49,384
we have a large residential units in there.

1330
01:24:49,384 --> 01:24:51,520
let's figure out a way to do it.

1331
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:57,192
I don't want to be locked in including a raised conch

1332
01:24:57,192 --> 01:25:01,863
crete median, I would rather have other than open-ended

1333
01:25:01,863 --> 01:25:06,100
statement, I understand what you're saying about the

1334
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:11,139
generalities of itf but this is where great minds like

1335
01:25:11,139 --> 01:25:15,811
you now incorporate the needs and wants of residents.

1336
01:25:15,811 --> 01:25:19,247
because the rest of the stuff, that is the city, that

1337
01:25:19,247 --> 01:25:20,182
is the applicant.

1338
01:25:20,182 --> 01:25:23,182
this is teaming with us.

1339
01:25:23,285 --> 01:25:25,721
>> I 100% agree with you commissioner.

1340
01:25:25,721 --> 01:25:27,589
>> I just don't know how to fix it.

1341
01:25:27,589 --> 01:25:31,126
>> I don't think that on some things we're going to

1342
01:25:31,126 --> 01:25:34,629
have a full consensus of things that are going o -- or

1343
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:37,466
we're going be able to define without putting residents

1344
01:25:37,466 --> 01:25:40,369
input and spending time on it to you point.

1345
01:25:40,369 --> 01:25:45,707
as commissioners, we need have some sort of that is

1346
01:25:45,707 --> 01:25:46,775
about it.

1347
01:25:46,775 --> 01:25:51,780
>> that was going be my point, we have a lot to cover

1348
01:25:51,780 --> 01:25:54,850
tonight and we're arguing over things that the

1349
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:57,886
applicant has no really no or minimal say-so.

1350
01:25:57,886 --> 01:26:02,224
I would suggest we stay with what we came here to do is

1351
01:26:02,224 --> 01:26:03,558
go through the plan.

1352
01:26:03,558 --> 01:26:06,280
alm these things are important, I don't mean to

1353
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,530
minimize this but we're never going get through tonight

1354
01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:11,266
we dwhabt the city should do or city shouldn't do.

1355
01:26:11,266 --> 01:26:12,501
we're here for the applicant.

1356
01:26:12,501 --> 01:26:15,871
>> so with that being said, I think that

1357
01:26:15,871 --> 01:26:18,140
commissioner -- I'm sorry, commissioner johnson, I

1358
01:26:18,140 --> 01:26:18,607
apologize.

1359
01:26:18,607 --> 01:26:22,377
>> just wanted to ask one thing, why was it not

1360
01:26:22,377 --> 01:26:25,447
considered a possibility to put stop sign like the

1361
01:26:25,447 --> 01:26:28,917
streets that come into that street, a couple of stop

1362
01:26:28,917 --> 01:26:29,584
thans street.

1363
01:26:29,584 --> 01:26:31,420
why is not one of the consideration.

1364
01:26:31,420 --> 01:26:34,420
>> can I provide -- diana.

1365
01:26:35,957 --> 01:26:40,128
>> so stop signs are not considered traffic calming

1366
01:26:40,128 --> 01:26:44,332
devices for the manual unit for traffic devices, and

1367
01:26:44,332 --> 01:26:48,700
minor traffic movement which are your side street,

1368
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:53,642
every time you put a stop sign and not warranted by the

1369
01:26:53,642 --> 01:26:57,846
required travel or traffic demands, what it does is,

1370
01:26:57,846 --> 01:27:02,484
you stop when then you accelerate until your next stop

1371
01:27:02,484 --> 01:27:06,655
condition and once you stop again because you have

1372
01:27:06,655 --> 01:27:10,358
another symptom sign and accelerate again for another

1373
01:27:10,358 --> 01:27:11,293
stop condition.

1374
01:27:11,293 --> 01:27:16,565
so that has been proven and studied having that stop

1375
01:27:16,565 --> 01:27:19,735
control uncontrolled intersection that cnn not

1376
01:27:19,735 --> 01:27:24,473
warranted and it doesn't work as a traffic calming

1377
01:27:24,473 --> 01:27:25,400
device.

1378
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,809
and if you open the green book there is an entire

1379
01:27:27,809 --> 01:27:30,612
chapter of saying things we can do and cannot do and

1380
01:27:30,612 --> 01:27:32,614
stop signs are not considered traffic control devices.

1381
01:27:32,614 --> 01:27:35,614
I mean traffic calming devices.

1382
01:27:38,887 --> 01:27:42,691
>> I would just add, too if your signage and everything

1383
01:27:42,691 --> 01:27:46,461
is run by briar county, they will not install a stop

1384
01:27:46,461 --> 01:27:50,632
sign unless there is a warrant at the stop sign for the

1385
01:27:50,632 --> 01:27:53,735
other o, I worked for other cities where, they

1386
01:27:53,735 --> 01:27:56,838
miraculously a stop sign appeared and the county went

1387
01:27:56,838 --> 01:27:59,274
out and took the stop sign out.

1388
01:27:59,274 --> 01:28:03,545
so, yeah, it has to meet strict criteria for them to

1389
01:28:03,545 --> 01:28:05,147
meet a stop sign.

1390
01:28:05,147 --> 01:28:08,817
>>> to move this forward, I know commissioner long had

1391
01:28:08,817 --> 01:28:12,487
it, I thought had worded it properly, about having the

1392
01:28:12,487 --> 01:28:15,790
city along with the traffic engineer from the explibt

1393
01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:19,427
the city traffic engineer come up with a swleution that

1394
01:28:19,427 --> 01:28:22,731
commissioner long wanted to memorialize that and get a

1395
01:28:22,731 --> 01:28:26,401
consensus among the commission if I could do, that I

1396
01:28:26,401 --> 01:28:27,502
would appreciate it.

1397
01:28:27,502 --> 01:28:29,337
>> this is part of the development agreement.

1398
01:28:29,337 --> 01:28:32,107
>>> mike, can you make sure we note this, please.

1399
01:28:32,107 --> 01:28:36,144
>>> put in there in regards to the traffic calming on

1400
01:28:36,144 --> 01:28:39,814
27 terrace it would be determined to both the city,

1401
01:28:39,814 --> 01:28:43,451
city and the applicant for the best use of traffic

1402
01:28:43,451 --> 01:28:46,210
calming fateture, and without even going specifically

1403
01:28:46,210 --> 01:28:50,580
up to and including you can put that in there, but

1404
01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:53,728
we're not locked into having this piece here and having

1405
01:28:53,728 --> 01:28:54,830
that piece there.

1406
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:57,832
but we're open for deeper discussion on this.

1407
01:28:57,832 --> 01:29:00,402
because that is part of the developer's agreement, it

1408
01:29:00,402 --> 01:29:03,572
does inside to be included in here and that is why

1409
01:29:03,572 --> 01:29:06,107
we're talking about it now, but rather going into

1410
01:29:06,107 --> 01:29:08,677
specifics, without any automatic real depth into it, we

1411
01:29:08,677 --> 01:29:11,847
know there is a lot of ooptions out there, let's have

1412
01:29:11,847 --> 01:29:14,416
it written so those options remain available and we're

1413
01:29:14,416 --> 01:29:16,685
not locked into it through the developer's agreement.

1414
01:29:16,685 --> 01:29:21,489
>>> I have proposed the city and applicant will develop

1415
01:29:21,489 --> 01:29:25,327
a permanent traffic calming plan for northeast 27th

1416
01:29:25,327 --> 01:29:25,794
terrace.

1417
01:29:25,794 --> 01:29:27,794
>> right.

1418
01:29:27,796 --> 01:29:30,832
and that as far as when that needs to be done.

1419
01:29:30,832 --> 01:29:34,369
>> I think, I mean that is a fair question, that for me

1420
01:29:34,369 --> 01:29:35,503
is the stick, right?

1421
01:29:35,503 --> 01:29:38,440
>> completed prior to the certificate of autothen

1422
01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:39,140
cities city.

1423
01:29:39,140 --> 01:29:45,413
>> it is a plan, you know, so that is the stick I'm

1424
01:29:45,413 --> 01:29:47,816
wondering, does that mean he.

1425
01:29:47,816 --> 01:29:52,616
>> I'm not in control of getting that permit.

1426
01:29:53,154 --> 01:29:56,524
>> building the stuff is easy, it is getting a

1427
01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:57,859
permitted and can designed.

1428
01:29:57,859 --> 01:29:58,426
>> right.

1429
01:29:58,426 --> 01:29:59,261
>> oklahoma.

1430
01:29:59,261 --> 01:30:00,795
>> I'm fine with that.

1431
01:30:00,795 --> 01:30:02,297
>> commissioners?

1432
01:30:02,297 --> 01:30:05,897
>> okay, commissioners all in consensus here.

1433
01:30:06,468 --> 01:30:09,604
all right, we know the city and mr. Paterson have to

1434
01:30:09,604 --> 01:30:12,741
get a plan together that they can both agree on with

1435
01:30:12,741 --> 01:30:13,308
their professional.

1436
01:30:13,308 --> 01:30:17,379
>> can I ask, how are we going to get that plan

1437
01:30:17,379 --> 01:30:20,148
together because we've got our oengineers given the

1438
01:30:20,148 --> 01:30:20,448
rimmeddations.

1439
01:30:20,448 --> 01:30:21,983
I'm not sure what other.

1440
01:30:21,983 --> 01:30:25,687
>> I think there are more recommendations possible out

1441
01:30:25,687 --> 01:30:26,121
there.

1442
01:30:26,121 --> 01:30:31,226
you used them different cities and light house point.

1443
01:30:31,226 --> 01:30:34,329
>> we have the speed bumps in and the sidewalks.

1444
01:30:34,329 --> 01:30:37,832
>> and bros and continues on all of this.

1445
01:30:37,832 --> 01:30:40,435
>> I think we're talking like, the logistics of

1446
01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:43,638
actually where it is going to go and that kind of

1447
01:30:43,638 --> 01:30:43,938
stuff.

1448
01:30:43,938 --> 01:30:46,374
>> where the speed bumps would go and sidewalks would

1449
01:30:46,374 --> 01:30:46,608
go.

1450
01:30:46,608 --> 01:30:50,946
I feel like those two alone to take care of the issue.

1451
01:30:50,946 --> 01:30:56,584
>> and candidly, let's just say it, we've had the great

1452
01:30:56,584 --> 01:31:01,156
speed bump debate many types we're not cool putting.

1453
01:31:01,156 --> 01:31:03,156
>> 149th street.

1454
01:31:03,792 --> 01:31:04,626
>>> not only that.

1455
01:31:04,626 --> 01:31:08,226
>> just being honest with each other.

1456
01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:12,801
>> we're not deciding where the sidewalks are going to

1457
01:31:12,801 --> 01:31:15,360
go, but putting speed bumps there.

1458
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,108
>> I think the whole same thing, you know, this deal

1459
01:31:20,108 --> 01:31:23,778
with the part of the development agreement feels

1460
01:31:23,778 --> 01:31:27,150
outside the purview of the department itself.

1461
01:31:27,150 --> 01:31:30,180
I think there has to be some sort of information

1462
01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:32,754
provided to them, because they wanted a sidewalk, maybe

1463
01:31:32,754 --> 01:31:33,321
they don't.

1464
01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:36,591
at that point at least we know where we're stand ing

1465
01:31:36,591 --> 01:31:39,794
from a city per spective and represent what is best in

1466
01:31:39,794 --> 01:31:42,764
that particular area, even if it is a safety issue,

1467
01:31:42,764 --> 01:31:45,400
obviously that will take precedent over a number of

1468
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:45,700
things.

1469
01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:50,271
if it is a drainage issue coming to putting in meetians

1470
01:31:50,271 --> 01:31:54,409
and curb and stuff like that, that is all different

1471
01:31:54,409 --> 01:31:58,546
issues, I think because of the fact we're dealing with

1472
01:31:58,546 --> 01:32:02,317
properties that our oresidents live with they have to

1473
01:32:02,317 --> 01:32:06,454
have input or knowledge to some sort of survey or

1474
01:32:06,454 --> 01:32:09,457
anything else, that is the pointed -- point.

1475
01:32:09,457 --> 01:32:11,159
it has to be done as farther of this process.

1476
01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,763
>> if I may interrupt for a sect.

1477
01:32:14,763 --> 01:32:16,197
>> yes, thank you, mayor.

1478
01:32:16,197 --> 01:32:19,334
>>> the off-site improvements for the sidewalks weren't

1479
01:32:19,334 --> 01:32:22,700
negotiated at lernlgt with the applicant consider

1480
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:23,638
length with the applicant.

1481
01:32:23,638 --> 01:32:26,808
and the thought process was they're necessary because

1482
01:32:26,808 --> 01:32:30,779
of the traffic flow that will be occurring on 27

1483
01:32:30,779 --> 01:32:31,179
terrace.

1484
01:32:31,179 --> 01:32:35,850
the plan was to put the side tbhawk the right of way,

1485
01:32:35,850 --> 01:32:39,320
which would most likely because of where the telephone

1486
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,992
poles are bon the right side of the road and the city

1487
01:32:43,992 --> 01:32:47,495
engineer and city traffic consultant are the one that

1488
01:32:47,495 --> 01:32:51,766
are supposed to come up with that plan and then the

1489
01:32:51,766 --> 01:32:55,637
responsibility was, that the city would pay for it and

1490
01:32:55,637 --> 01:32:59,174
the applicant would reimburse the city to 1300 loiniar

1491
01:32:59,174 --> 01:32:59,541
feet.

1492
01:32:59,541 --> 01:33:04,145
obviously if we're able to get some grant money, that

1493
01:33:04,145 --> 01:33:07,348
would reduce the developers contribution towards it,

1494
01:33:07,348 --> 01:33:12,854
but that is not a consideration that we would be to get

1495
01:33:12,854 --> 01:33:16,900
money from the npor or another source.

1496
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:18,993
that is why, the developer's agreement contains the

1497
01:33:18,993 --> 01:33:22,697
provision it is, is because it is viewed as being

1498
01:33:22,697 --> 01:33:26,367
necessary and if you recall, we went through the same

1499
01:33:26,367 --> 01:33:30,400
survey up on the north section of town on lighthouse

1500
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:30,405
drive.

1501
01:33:30,405 --> 01:33:34,909
when we put those sidewalks in and we came up with a

1502
01:33:34,909 --> 01:33:38,279
plan that created a very meandering sidewalk, but at

1503
01:33:38,279 --> 01:33:42,160
the same time, was very attractive, and it created a

1504
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,420
huge safety enhancement for the people that walked that

1505
01:33:45,420 --> 01:33:45,787
area.

1506
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:46,721
>> absolutely.

1507
01:33:46,721 --> 01:33:51,521
>> so I'm looking at the development agreement real

1508
01:33:51,793 --> 01:33:54,193
quick, 11.22 traffic calming device.

1509
01:33:54,629 --> 01:34:00,290
number shall be determined by the city, doesn't that

1510
01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:06,770
say also didn't you agree pay for these?

1511
01:34:08,476 --> 01:34:12,914
>> yes, the developer will pay for it, that is part of

1512
01:34:12,914 --> 01:34:13,681
the plan.

1513
01:34:13,681 --> 01:34:16,885
>>> plus or minus and city's disition discretion where

1514
01:34:16,885 --> 01:34:18,353
it will be located.

1515
01:34:18,353 --> 01:34:19,220
>> all right.

1516
01:34:19,220 --> 01:34:20,255
>> commissioners.

1517
01:34:20,255 --> 01:34:22,724
we move passed this one.

1518
01:34:22,724 --> 01:34:23,591
>> ready.

1519
01:34:23,591 --> 01:34:25,591
commissioner joffe.

1520
01:34:26,828 --> 01:34:27,495
okay.

1521
01:34:27,495 --> 01:34:28,296
onto the next one.

1522
01:34:28,296 --> 01:34:28,830
jim.

1523
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:29,797
>> onto the next one.

1524
01:34:29,797 --> 01:34:31,165
number four.

1525
01:34:31,165 --> 01:34:36,565
number four this is something myself, mr. Paterson has

1526
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:43,639
discussions, the concern with this is once have another

1527
01:34:45,346 --> 01:34:47,346
pair of eyes.

1528
01:34:47,715 --> 01:34:53,288
and I think we just want to make sure everything is

1529
01:34:53,288 --> 01:34:54,289
being addressed.

1530
01:34:54,289 --> 01:34:58,793
when we were going through p & z and getting wanted to

1531
01:34:58,793 --> 01:35:02,897
make sure we have the most recent phasing plan so that

1532
01:35:02,897 --> 01:35:08,202
we can all take a look at it just to move on and that

1533
01:35:08,202 --> 01:35:10,805
is really 4 and number five, too.

1534
01:35:10,805 --> 01:35:15,430
and that was, I think one of the issues I think we

1535
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:18,546
brought up that is there was some concern with, again,

1536
01:35:18,546 --> 01:35:21,416
older phasing when we had a 3-phase plan.

1537
01:35:21,416 --> 01:35:26,454
phase 1 they were going have access along the docks and

1538
01:35:26,454 --> 01:35:30,158
make them accessible the whole time the accessibility

1539
01:35:30,158 --> 01:35:35,196
is needed until the done, when think get done there is

1540
01:35:35,196 --> 01:35:37,498
no need for the access.

1541
01:35:37,498 --> 01:35:40,602
I both in agreement that we need to make sure

1542
01:35:40,602 --> 01:35:43,671
everything is safe and secure out there for folks to

1543
01:35:43,671 --> 01:35:46,174
van active construction site and we'll have people

1544
01:35:46,174 --> 01:35:47,108
walking through it.

1545
01:35:47,108 --> 01:35:49,108
we want.

1546
01:35:50,979 --> 01:35:53,140
>> commissioners any questions or concerns with that?

1547
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:56,718
>> I would just like to hear -- I just have a hard

1548
01:35:56,718 --> 01:35:59,754
time -- I would like to hear from the fire marshal

1549
01:35:59,754 --> 01:36:03,458
based on, it gives me some pause to wait to get fire

1550
01:36:03,458 --> 01:36:05,159
marshal approval prior to the.

1551
01:36:05,159 --> 01:36:08,896
maybe it is fine to give another review prior to it,

1552
01:36:08,896 --> 01:36:12,300
but I would like to hear from the fire marshal.

1553
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:16,304
we'll get to it later, maybe not an issue but

1554
01:36:16,304 --> 01:36:17,538
discussion about it.

1555
01:36:17,538 --> 01:36:22,938
have we received an updated phasing plan from the

1556
01:36:27,915 --> 01:36:29,500
applicant?

1557
01:36:29,500 --> 01:36:33,521
>> I guess my point is, I would like to hear from the

1558
01:36:33,521 --> 01:36:36,624
fire marshal that he has approved to most updated

1559
01:36:36,624 --> 01:36:39,727
phasing plan as sits here today and comfortable with

1560
01:36:39,727 --> 01:36:40,428
the procedure.

1561
01:36:40,428 --> 01:36:42,730
that is a big, big issue in my book.

1562
01:36:42,730 --> 01:36:47,735
not saying can't look at it before the building permits

1563
01:36:47,735 --> 01:36:48,770
is issued.

1564
01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:54,170
>> the chief the on, commissioner joffe and I believe

1565
01:36:54,676 --> 01:36:57,450
he's ready to speak.

1566
01:36:57,450 --> 01:36:57,578
chief morrell.

1567
01:36:57,578 --> 01:37:01,616
>> yes, I'm familiar with the phasing plan and the new

1568
01:37:01,616 --> 01:37:04,585
phasing plan and watching it carefully delete s

1569
01:37:04,585 --> 01:37:07,522
carefully for changes and looking for anything that

1570
01:37:07,522 --> 01:37:10,491
will not affect emergency services at this time.

1571
01:37:10,491 --> 01:37:11,526
>> okay, go ahead.

1572
01:37:11,526 --> 01:37:12,627
>> thank you, chief.

1573
01:37:12,627 --> 01:37:13,861
>>> you're welcome.

1574
01:37:13,861 --> 01:37:17,465
>> okay, so that is number 4 checked off, correct?

1575
01:37:17,465 --> 01:37:18,566
>> we're good in.

1576
01:37:18,566 --> 01:37:20,334
>> good with the guardrail.

1577
01:37:20,334 --> 01:37:20,868
>> guardrail.

1578
01:37:20,868 --> 01:37:22,537
>> on the phasing plan.

1579
01:37:22,537 --> 01:37:24,906
>>> need to update, if note.

1580
01:37:24,906 --> 01:37:30,906
again, just to make sure they were available for the

1581
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:35,279
time that is necessary during construction.

1582
01:37:35,717 --> 01:37:38,453
>> we can edit, I think it is on there just maybe the

1583
01:37:38,453 --> 01:37:39,287
way it is worded.

1584
01:37:39,287 --> 01:37:41,890
we can change whatever we want.

1585
01:37:41,890 --> 01:37:46,594
>> I think the way it was worded and three phases at

1586
01:37:46,594 --> 01:37:47,495
this point.

1587
01:37:47,495 --> 01:37:49,430
>> moving onto number 6.

1588
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:51,430
mr. Hickey.

1589
01:37:51,466 --> 01:37:56,866
>> number 6 and if I remember correctly on this one,

1590
01:37:57,972 --> 01:38:02,710
that it didn't include but if I remembered.

1591
01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:07,415
>> again this is the planning and doning board wanted

1592
01:38:07,415 --> 01:38:11,686
start of construction because the discussion was if we

1593
01:38:11,686 --> 01:38:15,923
could get the ball and landscaping in that would

1594
01:38:15,923 --> 01:38:20,161
somewhat buffer the construction going on behind it and

1595
01:38:20,161 --> 01:38:21,562
construction fence there.

1596
01:38:21,562 --> 01:38:25,162
and have a established wawm there.

1597
01:38:28,469 --> 01:38:30,869
>> I think that was.

1598
01:38:32,406 --> 01:38:36,144
>> mature landscaping so on and so forth part of that

1599
01:38:36,144 --> 01:38:36,511
discussion.

1600
01:38:36,511 --> 01:38:38,646
>> not wring in the developer's agreement already?

1601
01:38:38,646 --> 01:38:39,213
>> it is.

1602
01:38:39,213 --> 01:38:43,451
it is in the developer's agreement, but I any in your

1603
01:38:43,451 --> 01:38:46,521
narrative description that is tamped is only referenced

1604
01:38:46,521 --> 01:38:48,456
to one or the other.

1605
01:38:48,456 --> 01:38:51,325
it is I don't think anything that the commission needs

1606
01:38:51,325 --> 01:38:51,626
resolve.

1607
01:38:51,626 --> 01:38:52,427
>> it is both.

1608
01:38:52,427 --> 01:38:59,270
>> and I believe it was the wall and the f the

1609
01:39:01,235 --> 01:39:06,635
landscaping it looks you know nice for the neighbors

1610
01:39:07,875 --> 01:39:09,377
during construction.

1611
01:39:09,377 --> 01:39:11,879
>> that is covered in development agreement.

1612
01:39:11,879 --> 01:39:15,416
it those be like I said.

1613
01:39:15,416 --> 01:39:18,519
>> that was the intent, jim, and if it is worded wrong,

1614
01:39:18,519 --> 01:39:19,287
we'll fix it.

1615
01:39:19,287 --> 01:39:19,921
>> okay.

1616
01:39:19,921 --> 01:39:22,321
moving on, number 6, number 7.

1617
01:39:23,124 --> 01:39:28,329
>> onto number 7 this was a discussion about, how to

1618
01:39:28,329 --> 01:39:33,935
kind of let neighbors know how I think there was a lot

1619
01:39:33,935 --> 01:39:38,639
of concern about the board had concerns that if they

1620
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:43,845
were going do a 25 cement trucks one day and usually

1621
01:39:43,845 --> 01:39:48,983
only get two or three and somehow there would be a

1622
01:39:48,983 --> 01:39:54,188
notice to neighbor to say we're going have a lot of

1623
01:39:54,188 --> 01:39:58,893
traffic kind of be prepared and those types of things.

1624
01:39:58,893 --> 01:40:05,493
I went back and forth but I they really didn't say,

1625
01:40:05,666 --> 01:40:09,866
basically what their recommendation was, anything that

1626
01:40:09,971 --> 01:40:13,571
was additional beyond regular day-to-day construction

1627
01:40:13,674 --> 01:40:16,740
so I don't know.

1628
01:40:16,110 --> 01:40:20,310
>>> in the developer's agreement shall provide advance

1629
01:40:27,188 --> 01:40:30,788
public notice through social media platforms.

1630
01:40:35,496 --> 01:40:38,633
>> anything significant, they need to put on a social

1631
01:40:38,633 --> 01:40:38,933
media.

1632
01:40:38,933 --> 01:40:41,802
>> and do we between define that?

1633
01:40:41,802 --> 01:40:43,802
>> tiktok?

1634
01:40:44,772 --> 01:40:47,772
>> conversations using websites and using.

1635
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:50,244
>> next door.

1636
01:40:50,244 --> 01:40:53,848
>> we don't have anything specific on the mechanisms on

1637
01:40:53,848 --> 01:40:54,215
that.

1638
01:40:54,215 --> 01:40:58,252
I guess the issue would be if there is a train, a line

1639
01:40:58,252 --> 01:41:01,622
of cement truck and nobody knew about it we could go

1640
01:41:01,622 --> 01:41:03,157
and figure out why not.

1641
01:41:03,157 --> 01:41:07,295
it is up to you all whether you want to get more

1642
01:41:07,295 --> 01:41:10,731
specific osh the juice of social media or the specific

1643
01:41:10,731 --> 01:41:13,801
platforms mr. Paterson can describe what his intent was

1644
01:41:13,801 --> 01:41:16,904
behind that gnu that language was added to the

1645
01:41:16,904 --> 01:41:19,640
development agreement to address that condition of the

1646
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:20,975
planning and zoning board.

1647
01:41:20,975 --> 01:41:24,845
>> I have a suggestion, how about wesen sends out a

1648
01:41:24,845 --> 01:41:28,282
mailer to everyone down our 27th drive, that is really

1649
01:41:28,282 --> 01:41:31,786
the only one that could be affected by this, saying

1650
01:41:31,786 --> 01:41:35,589
that we will do this on our general facebook page, not

1651
01:41:35,589 --> 01:41:39,260
our member only facebook page and give them access to

1652
01:41:39,260 --> 01:41:42,496
it and if those people are concerned they would -- I

1653
01:41:42,496 --> 01:41:46,701
don't have a facebook of my own, but put notices on it

1654
01:41:46,701 --> 01:41:48,803
or whatever you do with facebook.

1655
01:41:48,803 --> 01:41:52,403
>> commissioner joffe is the facebook guy.

1656
01:41:53,841 --> 01:41:55,743
he's secretly the facebook.

1657
01:41:55,743 --> 01:41:57,244
your wife facebook enough for everybody.

1658
01:41:57,244 --> 01:42:01,615
>> if we let them allee is where they will be and if

1659
01:42:01,615 --> 01:42:04,352
they are concerned they will hashtag themselves or

1660
01:42:04,352 --> 01:42:06,200
whatever it is they do.

1661
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:10,191
>> this is even something I don't want to micromanage.

1662
01:42:10,191 --> 01:42:11,726
>> okay.

1663
01:42:11,726 --> 01:42:15,429
>> if I could just make the suggestion because I know

1664
01:42:15,429 --> 01:42:19,400
that is for you, but a lot of the stuff that we're

1665
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,403
talking about with the major concrete pours coming in,

1666
01:42:22,403 --> 01:42:25,706
public police will play fellow that as far as traffic

1667
01:42:25,706 --> 01:42:29,377
support as part of the mot from the a city perspective

1668
01:42:29,377 --> 01:42:32,713
we could use the system which is more of the

1669
01:42:32,713 --> 01:42:35,160
administrative through the city and police department

1670
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,319
runs that because that goes out to all residents and

1671
01:42:38,319 --> 01:42:41,989
just because I don't live in the area, doesn't mean it

1672
01:42:41,989 --> 01:42:45,993
would be affected if I happen to be going to you know,

1673
01:42:45,993 --> 01:42:49,296
meet somebody on that street and suddenly, you know, we

1674
01:42:49,296 --> 01:42:50,631
have this traffic problem.

1675
01:42:50,631 --> 01:42:56,337
I think social media is great, I think 96om has a much

1676
01:42:56,337 --> 01:42:57,304
better broadcasting.

1677
01:42:57,304 --> 01:43:00,908
>> or broader range not only affect the people who are

1678
01:43:00,908 --> 01:43:03,911
right there but the ones driving down the street.

1679
01:43:03,911 --> 01:43:07,648
39this a busy street, 27th terrace is a busy street and

1680
01:43:07,648 --> 01:43:09,350
all those streets in between.

1681
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:12,620
let's also include this as a responsibility of the

1682
01:43:12,620 --> 01:43:16,524
city, too, to be informed that we can use our platforms

1683
01:43:16,524 --> 01:43:17,291
as well.

1684
01:43:17,291 --> 01:43:20,594
>> so we would just notice the plicht of what we're

1685
01:43:20,594 --> 01:43:21,829
going to be doing?

1686
01:43:21,829 --> 01:43:25,666
>> I would say work with the administration on that

1687
01:43:25,666 --> 01:43:29,837
point but I think social media in many respects is not

1688
01:43:29,837 --> 01:43:33,307
affecting everybody within that area you may have older

1689
01:43:33,307 --> 01:43:36,100
people that don't do facebook, instagram, twitter

1690
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:40,181
someone young and vibrant and you just don't want to it

1691
01:43:40,181 --> 01:43:45,186
and that is fine we have so many in our city that and

1692
01:43:45,186 --> 01:43:48,989
it is going come right to them as an alert.

1693
01:43:48,989 --> 01:43:52,493
>>> we can also do sent out a notification to all the

1694
01:43:52,493 --> 01:43:55,162
neighbors in our immediate area, because I didn't even

1695
01:43:55,162 --> 01:43:56,300
know about this.

1696
01:43:56,300 --> 01:43:58,699
I would like our neighbors to know about it.

1697
01:43:58,699 --> 01:44:01,268
>> as a resident you should know.

1698
01:44:01,268 --> 01:44:01,736
>> I should.

1699
01:44:01,736 --> 01:44:03,404
>> mike.

1700
01:44:03,404 --> 01:44:06,740
just so you know, part of the plan was that whatever

1701
01:44:06,740 --> 01:44:09,543
terry sent out to notify the neighbors via whatever

1702
01:44:09,543 --> 01:44:12,880
medium he would use he would use that to notify the

1703
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,950
city which would enable the city to post it through

1704
01:44:15,950 --> 01:44:19,353
96el and other benefits and that is part of the plan

1705
01:44:19,353 --> 01:44:21,222
even though it is run written.

1706
01:44:21,222 --> 01:44:27,822
the goal was to place the burden on if floibt provide

1707
01:44:28,262 --> 01:44:29,563
the notification.

1708
01:44:29,563 --> 01:44:32,900
>> right, that is why I talk about the collaborative

1709
01:44:32,900 --> 01:44:35,536
piece and you've got to tell us, first.

1710
01:44:35,536 --> 01:44:39,736
>> there is always the option, I'm surprised

1711
01:44:39,874 --> 01:44:44,145
commissioner joffe didn't originally but iknow he's a

1712
01:44:44,145 --> 01:44:46,847
huge fan of door hangers.

1713
01:44:46,847 --> 01:44:49,617
>> there is some portion if you see up and see someone

1714
01:44:49,617 --> 01:44:52,653
on your door for people who live in the area you can at

1715
01:44:52,653 --> 01:44:55,222
least blast out an e-mail of what is coming is another

1716
01:44:55,222 --> 01:44:57,825
aspect of it, too, if you wanted to localize people on

1717
01:44:57,825 --> 01:44:58,492
those different streets.

1718
01:44:58,492 --> 01:45:02,963
>> all right, so moving on, number 8, mr. Hickey.

1719
01:45:02,963 --> 01:45:06,000
>> number 8, has been resolved in the phasing

1720
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:06,367
narrative.

1721
01:45:06,367 --> 01:45:12,367
it was an issue of the timing of it perfect.

1722
01:45:14,842 --> 01:45:19,914
>> moving onto number 9 mr. Hickey, sir number tune is

1723
01:45:19,914 --> 01:45:24,985
lengthy and goes on to really number 10 so, I think

1724
01:45:24,985 --> 01:45:30,558
this has been a discussion with I'm not sure if you all

1725
01:45:30,558 --> 01:45:35,629
have had this discussion with you all as group is owe

1726
01:45:35,629 --> 01:45:40,267
know planning and zoning had an issue on this and

1727
01:45:40,267 --> 01:45:44,905
again, the west side and the west side having the

1728
01:45:44,905 --> 01:45:49,510
building separation at 16 where on the arrest side the

1729
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:54,148
building separation is 24 they were trying to look to

1730
01:45:54,148 --> 01:45:59,687
see if there was a way to make that change so that

1731
01:45:59,687 --> 01:46:03,390
there would be sufficient the same building separation

1732
01:46:03,390 --> 01:46:07,561
on the west side as on the east side.

1733
01:46:07,561 --> 01:46:13,601
further they went displeu it is in the backup of page

1734
01:46:13,601 --> 01:46:20,174
15 where you go through and look at am of open space

1735
01:46:20,174 --> 01:46:26,213
and on the east side is two-thirds of that that doesn't

1736
01:46:26,213 --> 01:46:31,151
take into account the new clubhouse, that is the

1737
01:46:31,151 --> 01:46:33,887
parking area on the plan.

1738
01:46:33,887 --> 01:46:37,858
there is a little bit larger area on the east side

1739
01:46:37,858 --> 01:46:41,829
where the asteast side the only real large area is on

1740
01:46:41,829 --> 01:46:42,896
the south end.

1741
01:46:42,896 --> 01:46:45,599
south of the last three towns.

1742
01:46:45,599 --> 01:46:50,804
>> so that was the discussion for analysis purpose, I

1743
01:46:50,804 --> 01:46:55,509
did do some analysis on some adjacent communities to

1744
01:46:55,509 --> 01:47:00,214
give you an understanding of where the setbacks are.

1745
01:47:00,214 --> 01:47:06,814
in other parts of lighthouse point, it is a 10-foot and

1746
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:11,720
three story, but the maximum building height is 90.

1747
01:47:12,393 --> 01:47:17,310
so there is a little bit of -- those within the main

1748
01:47:17,310 --> 01:47:21,702
code is a 90-foot or 117 soe a little wider so

1749
01:47:21,702 --> 01:47:26,340
therefore they take up a little bit more real estate as

1750
01:47:26,340 --> 01:47:31,412
you look up and down the canal area and then number 10

1751
01:47:31,412 --> 01:47:36,500
was looking at the potential of they said can you move

1752
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:37,985
that?

1753
01:47:37,985 --> 01:47:40,454
can we take the buildings and move everything down?

1754
01:47:40,454 --> 01:47:40,921
the issue.

1755
01:47:40,921 --> 01:47:44,725
>> to the south, just want to make sure to the south,

1756
01:47:44,725 --> 01:47:46,327
where the open spot is.

1757
01:47:46,327 --> 01:47:49,863
>> you can move everything down, the issue becomes if

1758
01:47:49,863 --> 01:47:53,330
there are driveways then the egress [inaudible]

1759
01:47:53,330 --> 01:47:58,205
in order for that to happen there would have to be some

1760
01:47:58,205 --> 01:48:02,476
sort of ochange to that plan where the driveways count

1761
01:48:02,476 --> 01:48:06,747
exit out same example if everything moves down down 60

1762
01:48:06,747 --> 01:48:11,180
feet we've got basically no space between [inaudible]

1763
01:48:11,180 --> 01:48:15,389
last driveway and the egress and something safety and

1764
01:48:15,389 --> 01:48:19,226
security would have to address reorganizing the access

1765
01:48:19,226 --> 01:48:23,564
point, potentially, you know, is it less unit thans

1766
01:48:23,564 --> 01:48:25,966
side to make that work?

1767
01:48:25,966 --> 01:48:31,366
that is the discussion that the planning and zoning

1768
01:48:33,340 --> 01:48:35,340
board would have.

1769
01:48:35,776 --> 01:48:38,946
>> commissioners I have a feeling this will be the

1770
01:48:38,946 --> 01:48:41,782
heavy topic of the evening so let's hear it.

1771
01:48:41,782 --> 01:48:46,190
I am going to start off with ladies first, commissioner

1772
01:48:46,190 --> 01:48:46,453
johnson.

1773
01:48:46,453 --> 01:48:52,453
>> well, I don't really see the need to go to 24.

1774
01:48:55,396 --> 01:49:01,335
my house and all the houses on my street are the 18 or

1775
01:49:01,335 --> 01:49:05,439
16 feet between the two houses and they're respectively

1776
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:09,576
close because mine is one of the few remaining

1777
01:49:09,576 --> 01:49:13,213
one-story houses around and when the two-story houses

1778
01:49:13,213 --> 01:49:18,218
there with their all the roofs, there are only 16 feet

1779
01:49:18,218 --> 01:49:22,356
between them and with the way that mr. Paterson

1780
01:49:22,356 --> 01:49:25,993
designed the houses that town house, redesigned them,

1781
01:49:25,993 --> 01:49:29,196
actually to have certain architectural design so

1782
01:49:29,196 --> 01:49:33,801
they're not all jammed in like total blocks next to

1783
01:49:33,801 --> 01:49:38,372
each other, I personally think that the 16 feet gives

1784
01:49:38,372 --> 01:49:42,943
him overnight though it is less, I feel strongly it

1785
01:49:42,943 --> 01:49:44,311
gives enough space.

1786
01:49:44,311 --> 01:49:47,681
and I went around looking like, tillison square there

1787
01:49:47,681 --> 01:49:51,385
is no space between there, there all together and I

1788
01:49:51,385 --> 01:49:55,522
don't know if it is even 16 feet between the two

1789
01:49:55,522 --> 01:49:58,920
buildings, but we allowed it over there.

1790
01:49:58,920 --> 01:49:59,660
>> and it is going be all the.

1791
01:49:59,660 --> 01:50:01,940
those are taller.

1792
01:50:01,940 --> 01:50:06,494
>> and they're taller, I think, appear to be taller.

1793
01:50:07,267 --> 01:50:11,505
and, you know, I looked around at some other o, and the

1794
01:50:11,505 --> 01:50:15,742
ones that are going in on 39th street when and if they

1795
01:50:15,742 --> 01:50:19,246
come they're pretty much all together, so I don't know,

1796
01:50:19,246 --> 01:50:22,816
at this state with everything going so far down the

1797
01:50:22,816 --> 01:50:26,687
road, I just feel like I think that the people looking

1798
01:50:26,687 --> 01:50:30,224
across the way to these buildings are going be looking

1799
01:50:30,224 --> 01:50:32,359
at the beautiful buildings, beautiful landscaping,

1800
01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:36,230
lovely yachts in the back there, I don't think for us

1801
01:50:36,230 --> 01:50:40,133
to sit here and argue over eight feet is really going

1802
01:50:40,133 --> 01:50:43,637
to make the difference between pass and fail on this.

1803
01:50:43,637 --> 01:50:45,172
that's my say on it sm.

1804
01:50:45,172 --> 01:50:46,473
>> commissioner maucker.

1805
01:50:46,473 --> 01:50:48,473
>> I'm with sandy.

1806
01:50:48,909 --> 01:50:50,944
I would push for 24 feet.

1807
01:50:50,944 --> 01:50:55,249
I think it is a good idea, but not a deal-breaker for

1808
01:50:55,249 --> 01:50:55,616
me.

1809
01:50:55,616 --> 01:50:59,386
I think the applicant has made it pretty clear if his

1810
01:50:59,386 --> 01:51:03,156
financials work the way he has set up, we have a

1811
01:51:03,156 --> 01:51:06,593
decision to make, we can approve this project or reject

1812
01:51:06,593 --> 01:51:06,927
it.

1813
01:51:06,927 --> 01:51:11,665
I would not reject it based on this, I would approve

1814
01:51:11,665 --> 01:51:16,403
with it the spacing as it is outlined in this planning.

1815
01:51:16,403 --> 01:51:20,707
I think what he intends to do with the yacht club and

1816
01:51:20,707 --> 01:51:21,742
parcel is extraordinary.

1817
01:51:21,742 --> 01:51:27,470
I would like -- I think it is a big asset to the city

1818
01:51:27,470 --> 01:51:31,919
and would like to see it go forward it is not a

1819
01:51:31,919 --> 01:51:36,523
dealbreaker for me and I would approve it as it sits.

1820
01:51:36,523 --> 01:51:37,240
>> okay.

1821
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,240
>> commissioner joffe.

1822
01:51:39,593 --> 01:51:45,399
>> this is the one where it falls apart in a way I

1823
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:47,634
bolings I struggled over this.

1824
01:51:47,634 --> 01:51:51,838
commissioner maucker has hit the nail on the head.

1825
01:51:51,838 --> 01:51:54,975
we're at a point, where it is really, we've got to

1826
01:51:54,975 --> 01:51:57,844
decide whether, I don't think you're ever going to walk

1827
01:51:57,844 --> 01:52:00,681
out of here with any sort of approval of the

1828
01:52:00,681 --> 01:52:02,149
redevelopment of the yacht club.

1829
01:52:02,149 --> 01:52:06,553
I was prepared to approve something tonight, it is

1830
01:52:06,553 --> 01:52:11,491
whether we're going do it terri's way or planning and

1831
01:52:11,491 --> 01:52:12,426
zoning way.

1832
01:52:12,426 --> 01:52:15,996
and candidly, I have been saying to you for two years

1833
01:52:15,996 --> 01:52:19,199
I'm going defer to the planning and zoning board on

1834
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:22,690
these types of things when it comes to density.

1835
01:52:22,690 --> 01:52:26,440
and I just have not heard a good reason why not to

1836
01:52:26,440 --> 01:52:29,309
follow the recommendations of the planning and zoning

1837
01:52:29,309 --> 01:52:30,377
board on this.

1838
01:52:30,377 --> 01:52:33,814
in a waiz I wish I felt differently, I'm a bit

1839
01:52:33,814 --> 01:52:36,316
surprised to hear that from my fellow commissioners

1840
01:52:36,316 --> 01:52:39,860
that they are deviating since candidly, we've all sat

1841
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:42,222
up here and talked about how they're the experts and

1842
01:52:42,222 --> 01:52:45,325
they know what they're doing and we should defer to

1843
01:52:45,325 --> 01:52:45,626
them.

1844
01:52:45,626 --> 01:52:48,762
so I'm not begrudging the decisions.

1845
01:52:48,762 --> 01:52:52,566
I'm just not comfortable address a simple attorney

1846
01:52:52,566 --> 01:52:56,870
substituting my judgment on since this like density and

1847
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:59,239
building separation from their recommendation.

1848
01:52:59,239 --> 01:53:02,643
they're the subject matter experts, can'tidly, one is

1849
01:53:02,643 --> 01:53:07,347
even a member of the club and they unanimously voted to

1850
01:53:07,347 --> 01:53:11,652
recommend that the billing separation be what it is on

1851
01:53:11,652 --> 01:53:12,919
the west side.

1852
01:53:12,919 --> 01:53:14,354
>> not true, not what they voteed.

1853
01:53:14,354 --> 01:53:16,354
>> okay, well.

1854
01:53:16,556 --> 01:53:20,527
>> I heard a vote they wanted belter separation on the

1855
01:53:20,527 --> 01:53:21,261
west side.

1856
01:53:21,261 --> 01:53:23,597
they wanted more separation -- I'm going to get there.

1857
01:53:23,597 --> 01:53:24,398
we're going to talk.

1858
01:53:24,398 --> 01:53:25,632
I'm not completely done yet.

1859
01:53:25,632 --> 01:53:27,670
they voted in all fairness.

1860
01:53:27,670 --> 01:53:29,836
I did hear some discussion about it matching, but the

1861
01:53:29,836 --> 01:53:32,606
volt was, what greater separation on the west side in

1862
01:53:32,606 --> 01:53:33,140
all fairness.

1863
01:53:33,140 --> 01:53:34,775
so.

1864
01:53:34,775 --> 01:53:40,175
but also, I just think candidly, less density is

1865
01:53:40,647 --> 01:53:41,314
better.

1866
01:53:41,314 --> 01:53:46,190
I would like to see less densitying -- density back.

1867
01:53:46,190 --> 01:53:48,522
there I talked to the city planner about this.

1868
01:53:48,522 --> 01:53:52,926
and if he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I asked his

1869
01:53:52,926 --> 01:53:55,962
honest opinion about the denserty -- I'm going to call

1870
01:53:55,962 --> 01:53:59,332
it terry's way with all due respect and pan plansing

1871
01:53:59,332 --> 01:54:00,967
and e zoning way.

1872
01:54:00,967 --> 01:54:04,400
he thinks the planning and zoning board's

1873
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,374
recommendation of further separation is too dense for

1874
01:54:07,374 --> 01:54:09,109
residential standpoint back there.

1875
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:13,800
and I am willing in order to achieve a beautiful new

1876
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:17,500
yacht club to even put maybe a little bit more density

1877
01:54:17,500 --> 01:54:19,586
back there than maybe there should be.

1878
01:54:19,586 --> 01:54:24,570
but I would like to see it minimized squint the

1879
01:54:24,570 --> 01:54:27,160
recommendations of the planning zoning board and

1880
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:30,731
frankly, you've been told mr. Patternsonson all along

1881
01:54:30,731 --> 01:54:36,570
it was up 22 units and could be less when we pass the

1882
01:54:36,570 --> 01:54:37,300
loopa.

1883
01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:39,439
you kinds of acknowledged you might not get everything

1884
01:54:39,439 --> 01:54:40,600
you want.

1885
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,677
and I canidly -- candid delete sidly voted for it based

1886
01:54:43,677 --> 01:54:47,130
on that representation and now you're here saying it

1887
01:54:47,130 --> 01:54:50,130
has got be this way.

1888
01:54:50,383 --> 01:54:54,788
and I completely understand why you've drawn a line in

1889
01:54:54,788 --> 01:54:59,159
the sand so you can get here today to the

1890
01:54:59,159 --> 01:55:03,530
decisionmakers to get a decision one way or the other

1891
01:55:03,530 --> 01:55:08,335
but I just can't justify in my mind the go against

1892
01:55:08,335 --> 01:55:10,103
planning and zoning board.

1893
01:55:10,103 --> 01:55:13,600
that said I would love nothing more to vote for this.

1894
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,406
I mean that sincerely.

1895
01:55:15,409 --> 01:55:21,409
I think there are this is where I play architect.

1896
01:55:21,815 --> 01:55:26,353
I think there are ways to make this site plan work

1897
01:55:26,353 --> 01:55:30,857
still in a way that maybe even get you more unit,

1898
01:55:30,857 --> 01:55:34,594
another unit and comports with the separation that the

1899
01:55:34,594 --> 01:55:38,298
planning and zoning board likes you probably have three

1900
01:55:38,298 --> 01:55:42,436
votes here to pass it you have no incentive to

1901
01:55:42,436 --> 01:55:46,139
compromise, I would tell you even though my vote

1902
01:55:46,139 --> 01:55:51,770
tonight is going to be no, I would be willing if you're

1903
01:55:51,770 --> 01:55:55,649
throg continue to negotiate try to find a way that we

1904
01:55:55,649 --> 01:55:59,753
can get a complete conn census up here -- consensus up

1905
01:55:59,753 --> 01:56:03,490
here to complete the objectives you want and complete

1906
01:56:03,490 --> 01:56:07,194
the objectives of the planning and zoning board.

1907
01:56:07,194 --> 01:56:11,898
but I think at the end of the day I think less density

1908
01:56:11,898 --> 01:56:12,599
is better.

1909
01:56:12,599 --> 01:56:15,969
I wish you would negotiate a little bit more but I

1910
01:56:15,969 --> 01:56:16,837
completely understand why.

1911
01:56:16,837 --> 01:56:21,641
>> I would commissioner maucker, I just wanted to make

1912
01:56:21,641 --> 01:56:26,980
a point, I think what the planning and zoning board did

1913
01:56:26,980 --> 01:56:31,284
was give it to the city commission to give

1914
01:56:31,284 --> 01:56:31,751
consideration.

1915
01:56:31,751 --> 01:56:35,689
they had recommendations, but I don't know if their

1916
01:56:35,689 --> 01:56:38,758
intecialt was to say if project fails.

1917
01:56:38,758 --> 01:56:41,695
I think what planning and zoning said is this is what

1918
01:56:41,695 --> 01:56:44,640
we approve with these recommendations we now hands it

1919
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:46,166
to the city commission to make the decision.

1920
01:56:46,166 --> 01:56:50,700
it is our decision, they gave it to us to make that

1921
01:56:50,700 --> 01:56:50,403
decision.

1922
01:56:50,403 --> 01:56:53,273
they didn't say thumbs down if you don't follow your

1923
01:56:53,273 --> 01:56:53,573
recommendations.

1924
01:56:53,573 --> 01:56:57,210
they said it is up to you.

1925
01:56:57,210 --> 01:56:59,446
we approve it, it is now in your hands.

1926
01:56:59,446 --> 01:57:02,349
>> I guess I just don.

1927
01:57:02,349 --> 01:57:06,253
>> they approved with it the recommendation, they

1928
01:57:06,253 --> 01:57:10,190
wouldn't make recommendation unless that is why my

1929
01:57:10,190 --> 01:57:14,628
position to either go with the planning and zoning

1930
01:57:14,628 --> 01:57:16,563
board's recommendation or not.

1931
01:57:16,563 --> 01:57:17,998
it is period, ends of story.

1932
01:57:17,998 --> 01:57:22,102
I would vote, I could make a motion right now approve

1933
01:57:22,102 --> 01:57:26,539
it but I could make a motion to approve this with the

1934
01:57:26,539 --> 01:57:29,142
planning and zoning board's recommendation with the

1935
01:57:29,142 --> 01:57:31,110
pration on the west side.

1936
01:57:31,110 --> 01:57:35,382
it is up to mr. Batterson whether he wants to go forth.

1937
01:57:35,382 --> 01:57:39,850
at least what I'm hearing from my fellow commissioners,

1938
01:57:39,850 --> 01:57:43,590
I'm willing to vote for a way to redevelop the yacht

1939
01:57:43,590 --> 01:57:46,927
house, I want it consistent with the density

1940
01:57:46,927 --> 01:57:48,561
recommendation and building separation.

1941
01:57:48,561 --> 01:57:50,497
>> commissioner long, please.

1942
01:57:50,497 --> 01:57:55,201
>> I'm mixed on this and I think I said it all the way

1943
01:57:55,201 --> 01:57:55,502
through.

1944
01:57:55,502 --> 01:57:58,772
I believe the applicant has a right to develop this

1945
01:57:58,772 --> 01:58:02,976
property and we as a city have a right to work with the

1946
01:58:02,976 --> 01:58:04,611
applicant, work with our city.

1947
01:58:04,611 --> 01:58:07,781
when it comes down to all of the things we dealt with

1948
01:58:07,781 --> 01:58:10,383
over the last year really comes dpong to the big

1949
01:58:10,383 --> 01:58:13,190
sticking point here of the space on the west side.

1950
01:58:13,190 --> 01:58:16,957
I have seen where density is really a killer

1951
01:58:16,957 --> 01:58:20,460
particularly in this particular area and that concerns

1952
01:58:20,460 --> 01:58:20,927
me.

1953
01:58:20,927 --> 01:58:23,897
I think when we had sing feet residential neighborhoods

1954
01:58:23,897 --> 01:58:27,834
many of them are 10 feet and a total of 20 between

1955
01:58:27,834 --> 01:58:28,134
buildings.

1956
01:58:28,134 --> 01:58:28,935
here is 16.

1957
01:58:28,935 --> 01:58:34,935
and we're here we're talking 4 or five town houses put

1958
01:58:37,811 --> 01:58:43,811
together 117 feet which makes it a pretty big block and

1959
01:58:46,686 --> 01:58:52,860
four buildings put together when you include the old

1960
01:58:53,927 --> 01:58:59,327
racquetball court, gym and activity center that is a

1961
01:59:01,201 --> 01:59:08,401
and I know we've seen that is not from you're going see

1962
01:59:10,910 --> 01:59:12,910
a big wall.

1963
01:59:13,313 --> 01:59:16,349
there is nowhere else these buildings are -- there is

1964
01:59:16,349 --> 01:59:19,686
nowhere else in the city -- correct me if I'm wrong

1965
01:59:19,686 --> 01:59:22,789
where we have buildings that are 117 feet.

1966
01:59:22,789 --> 01:59:24,789
>> there are.

1967
01:59:25,659 --> 01:59:27,627
>> not in the middle of residential.

1968
01:59:27,627 --> 01:59:31,831
>>> many, many scwa first meeting I sat with members of

1969
01:59:31,831 --> 01:59:36,436
he was off that day and had someone sitting in with her

1970
01:59:36,436 --> 01:59:41,410
and had a google map and I circled all the houses all

1971
01:59:41,410 --> 01:59:44,844
around us that were more than 117 feet many, many.

1972
01:59:44,844 --> 01:59:50,244
>> they're not they're next door to them 16 feet apart

1973
01:59:54,687 --> 01:59:59,487
is the next house the residential building, yes.

1974
02:00:01,795 --> 02:00:08,395
we have designed it less than what the current code up

1975
02:00:16,176 --> 02:00:23,976
on the third once we get over and if I can finish that

1976
02:00:33,126 --> 02:00:37,326
there have been changes that. Of view.

1977
02:00:43,603 --> 02:00:46,673
>> going to be less and less and a shadow, you know,

1978
02:00:46,673 --> 02:00:49,509
you're getting a lot of shadows along the side here on

1979
02:00:49,509 --> 02:00:50,276
the west side.

1980
02:00:50,276 --> 02:00:52,445
I understand your financial aspect which obviously is

1981
02:00:52,445 --> 02:00:55,381
not a concern we should be looking at from a government

1982
02:00:55,381 --> 02:00:57,250
. Of view, but I understand yours.

1983
02:00:57,250 --> 02:01:00,420
and I just wondered if there is any other omeddation

1984
02:01:00,420 --> 02:01:03,323
you can make to somehow -- accommodation you can make

1985
02:01:03,323 --> 02:01:04,324
to increase that.

1986
02:01:04,324 --> 02:01:07,494
>> remember, we've all had this discussion for two to

1987
02:01:07,494 --> 02:01:08,762
three years is now.

1988
02:01:08,762 --> 02:01:12,599
and exactly the comment you said now, that is what

1989
02:01:12,599 --> 02:01:14,167
we've been doing constantly.

1990
02:01:14,167 --> 02:01:16,636
we have created the pancake effect.

1991
02:01:16,636 --> 02:01:20,306
the cut off the eyebrows and added more landscape and a

1992
02:01:20,306 --> 02:01:23,276
park on one side the original buildings were designed

1993
02:01:23,276 --> 02:01:26,279
with different way that you come into the driveways.

1994
02:01:26,279 --> 02:01:31,790
now we've created this 40-something foot open ospace.

1995
02:02:02,715 --> 02:02:05,518
>> had this discussion and I've done, you say.

1996
02:02:05,518 --> 02:02:07,387
>> no one is saying you haven't kamedded.

1997
02:02:07,387 --> 02:02:08,788
I would never.

1998
02:02:08,788 --> 02:02:11,724
>> I just wanted to point that out.

1999
02:02:11,724 --> 02:02:14,961
I have been -- I've changed this thing so many times.

2000
02:02:14,961 --> 02:02:18,464
but at what point do I just -- you guys made me go

2001
02:02:18,464 --> 02:02:19,365
through drc.

2002
02:02:19,365 --> 02:02:20,733
I had to finish these plans.

2003
02:02:20,733 --> 02:02:22,368
>> terry, hold on.

2004
02:02:22,368 --> 02:02:24,368
just work.

2005
02:02:24,604 --> 02:02:29,404
>> I'm just asking you on this particular specific

2006
02:02:30,343 --> 02:02:37,543
issue of the 16 feet, I mean can you see any other way

2007
02:02:38,685 --> 02:02:43,485
of accommodating the koarns of number of commissioners

2008
02:02:43,790 --> 02:02:44,457
here.

2009
02:02:44,457 --> 02:02:49,729
>> if we start to ship the building more south we start

2010
02:02:49,729 --> 02:02:51,431
to pinch the entry.

2011
02:02:51,431 --> 02:02:55,802
of course I can still turn the brings more and starts

2012
02:02:55,802 --> 02:03:00,106
to look a little weird but as the neighbor said, why

2013
02:03:00,106 --> 02:03:04,477
uld would I want to take away from this big, beautiful

2014
02:03:04,477 --> 02:03:08,140
open landscape space to create more separation from the

2015
02:03:08,140 --> 02:03:08,414
buildings.

2016
02:03:08,414 --> 02:03:09,916
it is not going to do much.

2017
02:03:09,916 --> 02:03:12,510
you're not going to to feel much.

2018
02:03:12,510 --> 02:03:16,251
the buildings are beautiful anyway, extremely heavily

2019
02:03:17,423 --> 02:03:21,623
landscaped anyway you caw the landscape impressions.

2020
02:03:22,795 --> 02:03:26,733
>> I've been here when we approved vintage, which, you

2021
02:03:26,733 --> 02:03:31,700
know, is extremely dense and a eldense but as we look

2022
02:03:31,700 --> 02:03:35,375
back and see some of the issues we have with density

2023
02:03:35,375 --> 02:03:38,144
and and lack of intration in buildings.

2024
02:03:38,144 --> 02:03:40,146
>> but you cannot coll pair the two.

2025
02:03:40,146 --> 02:03:44,717
>>> no, you can't a example of looking at lands scaping

2026
02:03:44,717 --> 02:03:49,722
from a design, that is great and see it in real life

2027
02:03:49,722 --> 02:03:54,294
and a few years later is always a concern, I'm mixed

2028
02:03:54,294 --> 02:03:58,310
and I want to hear what president van buskirk.

2029
02:03:58,310 --> 02:04:00,133
>> I'm selling these for 2 1/2 million dollar.

2030
02:04:00,133 --> 02:04:02,533
they're people buying them.

2031
02:04:04,604 --> 02:04:08,374
they will -- there is an hoa they're going to have a

2032
02:04:08,374 --> 02:04:10,276
say in what woe do.

2033
02:04:10,276 --> 02:04:14,447
if we let this landscaping go down, I'll have a riot on

2034
02:04:14,447 --> 02:04:15,148
my hands.

2035
02:04:15,148 --> 02:04:17,817
they will have a say themselves, not just me.

2036
02:04:17,817 --> 02:04:22,155
>> well, let's hear what president van buskirk says.

2037
02:04:22,155 --> 02:04:22,789
>>> thank you.

2038
02:04:22,789 --> 02:04:27,360
>> I am with the fact that we have gone down this road

2039
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:30,960
apparently as far as I'm concerned, a lot.

2040
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,498
and commissioner joffe's concerns about what planning

2041
02:04:32,498 --> 02:04:35,902
and zoning board has stateed and what we've done this

2042
02:04:35,902 --> 02:04:38,938
evening, we took what planning and zoning board said

2043
02:04:38,938 --> 02:04:41,407
and overalled them -- overruled them.

2044
02:04:41,407 --> 02:04:42,508
I can't sigh save --

2045
02:04:42,508 --> 02:04:44,410
>> a boom the different than.

2046
02:04:44,410 --> 02:04:47,547
>> no, no let's be very if they made a recommendation

2047
02:04:47,547 --> 02:04:50,350
and we went against it and they made a recommendation

2048
02:04:50,350 --> 02:04:54,200
and we're like, we've got to go for it that is the same

2049
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:56,889
exact thing, whether it is a boom, not a boornlings

2050
02:04:56,889 --> 02:04:57,156
whatever.

2051
02:04:57,156 --> 02:05:00,930
that is out the window, you can't try to debate that

2052
02:05:00,930 --> 02:05:00,593
fact, unfortunately.

2053
02:05:00,593 --> 02:05:05,932
but I can tell you this, obviously as residents, we are

2054
02:05:05,932 --> 02:05:07,367
concerned about density.

2055
02:05:07,367 --> 02:05:10,336
there are many projects that have come in front of

2056
02:05:10,336 --> 02:05:13,390
us -- and I say that jokingly, considering that over

2057
02:05:13,390 --> 02:05:16,420
our careers this is the largest project that we will

2058
02:05:16,420 --> 02:05:19,645
ever see and that our city will ever see in the heart

2059
02:05:19,645 --> 02:05:22,615
of our city which is different than anything and to

2060
02:05:22,615 --> 02:05:25,618
commissioner long, he has been here the longest, he has

2061
02:05:25,618 --> 02:05:28,588
the knowledge and has seen it and he's tried and

2062
02:05:28,588 --> 02:05:31,591
learned from those experiences that how we want to make

2063
02:05:31,591 --> 02:05:35,294
sure that we set up our city for success in the future.

2064
02:05:35,294 --> 02:05:41,334
with that being said I look at the plans and think to

2065
02:05:41,334 --> 02:05:43,870
myself to commissioner johnson's pointed.

2066
02:05:43,870 --> 02:05:47,540
I went to tilton square today and started looking.

2067
02:05:47,540 --> 02:05:49,642
just do that, do that to yourself.

2068
02:05:49,642 --> 02:05:53,613
look up, look left and right and you think to yourself

2069
02:05:53,613 --> 02:05:55,810
is that 20 feet?

2070
02:05:55,810 --> 02:05:55,715
24 feet?

2071
02:05:55,715 --> 02:05:57,216
38 feet up there?

2072
02:05:57,216 --> 02:05:58,317
the answer is no.

2073
02:05:58,317 --> 02:06:02,588
so my point was, that I think that is a beautiful,

2074
02:06:02,588 --> 02:06:05,625
really nicely landscaped door facing in the right

2075
02:06:05,625 --> 02:06:09,495
direction, things I would have never thought of and to

2076
02:06:09,495 --> 02:06:12,932
your point I'm not an architect, neither am I.

2077
02:06:12,932 --> 02:06:15,668
I wouldn't have thought of that I wouldn't have thought

2078
02:06:15,668 --> 02:06:16,736
how the entryways look.

2079
02:06:16,736 --> 02:06:20,273
the front street side and waterside that we've debated

2080
02:06:20,273 --> 02:06:20,673
before.

2081
02:06:20,673 --> 02:06:25,778
to me I come back to the fact is this, we have one side

2082
02:06:25,778 --> 02:06:28,848
that is 24 feet, one side 16 feet. --

2083
02:06:28,848 --> 02:06:34,520
is there such a claireing reason for us to say both

2084
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:39,320
have to be 24 or both have to be 16.

2085
02:06:39,692 --> 02:06:43,950
ultimately in the end this is going be the problem for

2086
02:06:43,950 --> 02:06:45,865
mr. Paterson to sell these properties if people find

2087
02:06:45,865 --> 02:06:48,668
they're too dense, a and also unfortunately the people

2088
02:06:48,668 --> 02:06:51,737
that have to look across from them, ultimately in the

2089
02:06:51,737 --> 02:06:54,841
ends no one sells going in there unless you're a

2090
02:06:54,841 --> 02:06:55,441
member, right?

2091
02:06:55,441 --> 02:06:57,900
or looking from across street.

2092
02:06:57,900 --> 02:07:03,609
so, and I want went down and actually today on olake

2093
02:07:04,417 --> 02:07:09,217
placid started looking at the two-story town homes

2094
02:07:09,822 --> 02:07:15,222
they're building on lake placid -- and I probably

2095
02:07:15,228 --> 02:07:19,428
remember misremember the street probably 34th street

2096
02:07:19,932 --> 02:07:25,932
the one with the swale parking on the opposite side

2097
02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:32,639
unfortunately, yes, there are lots in the city that are

2098
02:07:33,379 --> 02:07:39,379
going to have houses that are going be significantly we

2099
02:07:40,119 --> 02:07:42,519
do have larger lots.

2100
02:07:42,822 --> 02:07:47,326
I don't know if they're large enough, but ultimately in

2101
02:07:47,326 --> 02:07:51,364
the ends, we're developing city that is growing and

2102
02:07:51,364 --> 02:07:55,868
coming in to age of construction hopes that we've never

2103
02:07:55,868 --> 02:07:59,872
seen before and designs are changing and tastes are

2104
02:07:59,872 --> 02:08:03,509
changing, and people are fraying to maximize their

2105
02:08:03,509 --> 02:08:05,311
space whether personal resident.

2106
02:08:05,311 --> 02:08:09,582
I see where mr. Paterson comes in with init is 16 food

2107
02:08:09,582 --> 02:08:13,519
or 8-foot on each side of the property line for those

2108
02:08:13,519 --> 02:08:17,490
town home swiss a total of 16, which in my neighborhood

2109
02:08:17,490 --> 02:08:18,925
and commissioner's long point.

2110
02:08:18,925 --> 02:08:21,594
I remember when I first set up here, all over the city

2111
02:08:21,594 --> 02:08:23,162
there are different setbacks for each side.

2112
02:08:23,162 --> 02:08:27,233
there are places that are twelve, some that are 9,

2113
02:08:27,233 --> 02:08:32,572
you're 10, I'm 8 you don't want to be on a corner, but

2114
02:08:32,572 --> 02:08:36,609
ultimately in the ends I just think, guy, we've gone

2115
02:08:36,609 --> 02:08:41,948
over this, p & z did an am maying job of bringing this

2116
02:08:41,948 --> 02:08:45,184
to us and they put it all together.

2117
02:08:45,184 --> 02:08:48,220
they just said you have to pick the color bow.

2118
02:08:48,220 --> 02:08:52,692
sphars I'm concerned I'm perfectly fine with 16 on one

2119
02:08:52,692 --> 02:08:54,927
side 24 on the other.

2120
02:08:54,927 --> 02:08:57,930
the fact is, this is the decision-making time.

2121
02:08:57,930 --> 02:09:01,701
so I would just say that, I do know that the mayor

2122
02:09:01,701 --> 02:09:05,171
owould like to have some comments on this thing, and I

2123
02:09:05,171 --> 02:09:07,373
definitely we'll all get to speak again.

2124
02:09:07,373 --> 02:09:10,776
but I would like the mayor the mention his comments at

2125
02:09:10,776 --> 02:09:14,113
this point in time to hear him not attends of our

2126
02:09:14,113 --> 02:09:14,413
conversation.

2127
02:09:14,413 --> 02:09:18,130
then commissioner maucker back to you.

2128
02:09:18,951 --> 02:09:20,686
>>> mayor.

2129
02:09:20,686 --> 02:09:25,486
>> going back to p & z specifically said 24 feet.

2130
02:09:30,396 --> 02:09:32,264
four members of the board said that.

2131
02:09:32,264 --> 02:09:35,201
and they were very clear that they wanted that.

2132
02:09:35,201 --> 02:09:39,372
since that time I've also spoken to those board members

2133
02:09:39,372 --> 02:09:41,440
and their opinion hasn't changed.

2134
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:43,750
there is an element ofy.

2135
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:48,475
try that goes simet try that goes into it.

2136
02:09:50,249 --> 02:09:53,886
succeedly, I think there is room for compromise as

2137
02:09:53,886 --> 02:09:57,857
commissioner joffe said, maybe 24 feet is not the magic

2138
02:09:57,857 --> 02:10:01,460
answer, maybe it is 20, but getting some additional

2139
02:10:01,460 --> 02:10:04,664
building separation between buildings that are 117 feet

2140
02:10:04,664 --> 02:10:09,680
lodge and 35 to 37 feet all the depending how you

2141
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:13,439
measure it and where you measure it from is critical to

2142
02:10:13,439 --> 02:10:13,873
me.

2143
02:10:13,873 --> 02:10:16,509
I agree that this project needs move forward.

2144
02:10:16,509 --> 02:10:20,546
I would encourage the commission to doapt something

2145
02:10:20,546 --> 02:10:22,810
greater than 16.

2146
02:10:22,810 --> 02:10:27,219
and I think that is the reason the planning and zoning

2147
02:10:27,219 --> 02:10:32,324
board did not put a specific number in so that the

2148
02:10:32,324 --> 02:10:36,996
commission was not tied to their number, but rather had

2149
02:10:36,996 --> 02:10:40,733
the ability to change and to modify it.

2150
02:10:40,733 --> 02:10:45,237
secondly, every development that we've done in this

2151
02:10:45,237 --> 02:10:51,343
city, if you go back as far as tillison, had density

2152
02:10:51,343 --> 02:10:56,348
delete sty issues tillisson has a pervious space issue

2153
02:10:56,348 --> 02:11:03,550
and part of that was, everyone wanted to get rid of a

2154
02:11:03,550 --> 02:11:08,661
mobile-home park and said we'll take this the how homes

2155
02:11:08,661 --> 02:11:14,233
on 20th way and 39th street, thois were built very

2156
02:11:14,233 --> 02:11:20,372
dense and they were unable to be sold because of that

2157
02:11:20,372 --> 02:11:20,906
tensity.

2158
02:11:20,906 --> 02:11:26,545
I would encourage the commission to come up with an

2159
02:11:26,545 --> 02:11:30,145
alternative that is greater than 16 feet.

2160
02:11:30,483 --> 02:11:33,719
24 feet is would be my recommendation based upon what

2161
02:11:33,719 --> 02:11:37,289
planning and zoning has said, but I think there is a

2162
02:11:37,289 --> 02:11:40,893
compromise to be had here if mr. Paterson is willing to

2163
02:11:40,893 --> 02:11:44,130
compromise and maybe 20 is the magic number because it

2164
02:11:44,130 --> 02:11:45,431
is in the middle.

2165
02:11:45,431 --> 02:11:50,202
but I think we need to have a wider separation between

2166
02:11:50,202 --> 02:11:54,106
these buildings so that we don't create this intense

2167
02:11:54,106 --> 02:11:57,543
density on the west side of the property.

2168
02:11:57,543 --> 02:12:03,449
and by doing that, you would eliminate and get the

2169
02:12:03,449 --> 02:12:07,586
canning effect that is going to exist.

2170
02:12:07,586 --> 02:12:10,856
if you look at the single-family residence around the

2171
02:12:10,856 --> 02:12:11,257
city.

2172
02:12:11,257 --> 02:12:14,894
and I did a souray of -- survey of this as well.

2173
02:12:14,894 --> 02:12:16,829
there are only a few that are that wide.

2174
02:12:16,829 --> 02:12:22,829
the white house being the most widest of the bunch.

2175
02:12:22,868 --> 02:12:25,171
that is, I believe built on a triple lot.

2176
02:12:25,171 --> 02:12:29,508
but putting that aside, we do not have a lot of

2177
02:12:29,508 --> 02:12:31,110
properties here like that.

2178
02:12:31,110 --> 02:12:35,114
so I would strongly encourage the commission to

2179
02:12:35,114 --> 02:12:38,651
consider an at toiv the 16 feet.

2180
02:12:38,651 --> 02:12:43,489
I think it is in the city's best interest and in the

2181
02:12:43,489 --> 02:12:46,725
residents best interest that we have something greater

2182
02:12:46,725 --> 02:12:51,197
and will create a symmetry in the project as a whole

2183
02:12:51,197 --> 02:12:53,199
without adversely impacting the developer.

2184
02:12:53,199 --> 02:12:57,803
I also did a look-back for the last ten years of every

2185
02:12:57,803 --> 02:13:01,273
site plan that has gone through planning and zoning,

2186
02:13:01,273 --> 02:13:06,245
not a one of the one of all I've looked nat the last

2187
02:13:06,245 --> 02:13:09,315
ten years went through without some kind of

2188
02:13:09,315 --> 02:13:12,785
modification to the site plan to make it moreet

2189
02:13:12,785 --> 02:13:15,855
esthetic magically and user pleasing to the residents

2190
02:13:15,855 --> 02:13:16,989
of our city.

2191
02:13:16,989 --> 02:13:20,392
and I don't want this commission to look back five

2192
02:13:20,392 --> 02:13:24,496
years from now and 10 years from now and say, you know,

2193
02:13:24,496 --> 02:13:28,934
I wish we had more space on the west side because it is

2194
02:13:28,934 --> 02:13:29,602
pretty dense.

2195
02:13:29,602 --> 02:13:31,837
those are my comments and I appreciate your

2196
02:13:31,837 --> 02:13:32,705
consideration of them.

2197
02:13:32,705 --> 02:13:35,708
>> mayor, thank you for your comments.

2198
02:13:35,708 --> 02:13:40,508
they're much appreciated and understood from up here.

2199
02:13:42,448 --> 02:13:44,416
commissioner, commissioner maucker.

2200
02:13:44,416 --> 02:13:46,685
>> yeah, just one last thought.

2201
02:13:46,685 --> 02:13:49,955
we keep talking about comparing this property to others

2202
02:13:49,955 --> 02:13:51,560
in the city.

2203
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:53,826
there is no other property in the city that has a yacht

2204
02:13:53,826 --> 02:13:55,427
club sitting in the middle of it.

2205
02:13:55,427 --> 02:13:58,300
this is a unique parcel.

2206
02:13:58,300 --> 02:14:02,201
this is not low-income property this is very, very

2207
02:14:02,201 --> 02:14:07,273
expensive it belongs to -- it will be part of a home

2208
02:14:07,273 --> 02:14:10,976
owner's association with the members that are involved

2209
02:14:10,976 --> 02:14:14,380
in it that will have some say.

2210
02:14:14,380 --> 02:14:17,650
I think the developer and the applicant has done

2211
02:14:17,650 --> 02:14:20,586
enormous amount of compromising already just to get

2212
02:14:20,586 --> 02:14:25,324
where we are now, and I think we've got to look at this

2213
02:14:25,324 --> 02:14:27,526
as a unique piece of property.

2214
02:14:27,526 --> 02:14:30,396
and I'm prepared to offer a motion at this time if

2215
02:14:30,396 --> 02:14:30,930
you're ready.

2216
02:14:30,930 --> 02:14:35,501
>> let me go with the rest of the other two

2217
02:14:35,501 --> 02:14:38,300
commissioners here, commissioner long and commissioner,

2218
02:14:38,300 --> 02:14:42,141
I want to make sure everybody gets their community and

2219
02:14:42,141 --> 02:14:45,770
commissioner johnson gets opportunity, I just know

2220
02:14:45,770 --> 02:14:47,579
those two commissioner joffe has more.

2221
02:14:47,579 --> 02:14:49,579
>> right, of course.

2222
02:14:49,915 --> 02:14:51,383
>> I don't want to beat a horse.

2223
02:14:51,383 --> 02:14:54,186
>> I listen, ultimately in the end this is the biggest

2224
02:14:54,186 --> 02:14:56,455
project we'll ever see, the most unique piece of

2225
02:14:56,455 --> 02:14:57,489
property in the city.

2226
02:14:57,489 --> 02:15:00,259
and I think everybody deserves the opportunity that

2227
02:15:00,259 --> 02:15:03,762
sittings up here as our collegial body to make their

2228
02:15:03,762 --> 02:15:05,831
own, their point felt and known.

2229
02:15:05,831 --> 02:15:08,334
and understood by their fellow commissioners and I have

2230
02:15:08,334 --> 02:15:11,700
no issues with you going on and anybody speaking the

2231
02:15:11,700 --> 02:15:12,471
way they want to speak.

2232
02:15:12,471 --> 02:15:15,174
commissioner johnsongy just wanted to say a couple more

2233
02:15:15,174 --> 02:15:18,243
things I don't think there is any need of total

2234
02:15:18,243 --> 02:15:21,280
symmetry between the east side and west side of the

2235
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:23,716
project when you have parking and everything in

2236
02:15:23,716 --> 02:15:24,160
between.

2237
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:26,485
I don't think we have to balance on a scale there.

2238
02:15:26,485 --> 02:15:30,622
and second of all, on -- I'm not sure of every street

2239
02:15:30,622 --> 02:15:34,827
in the city, but on the canal streets that I'm familiar

2240
02:15:34,827 --> 02:15:38,597
with, there is 8 feet, total of 16 feet separation

2241
02:15:38,597 --> 02:15:39,898
between the houses.

2242
02:15:39,898 --> 02:15:41,800
and there are these monster houses now.

2243
02:15:41,800 --> 02:15:45,204
and there some 16 feet between them.

2244
02:15:45,204 --> 02:15:49,274
and building town houses like this, whether we like it

2245
02:15:49,274 --> 02:15:53,379
or not is actually the trend of the future, because

2246
02:15:53,379 --> 02:15:55,848
that is what they're building everywhere.

2247
02:15:55,848 --> 02:15:58,917
everywhere you go, del ray beach is a whole city of

2248
02:15:58,917 --> 02:16:01,420
these town houses that extend and extend and extend.

2249
02:16:01,420 --> 02:16:03,689
I don't think we're doing something -- we're doing

2250
02:16:03,689 --> 02:16:06,458
something that we never would have done in 1959.

2251
02:16:06,458 --> 02:16:07,860
but this is 2022.

2252
02:16:07,860 --> 02:16:11,196
and this is the look of 2022.

2253
02:16:11,196 --> 02:16:15,834
and I also want to restate that I believe that there

2254
02:16:15,834 --> 02:16:18,837
has been tons of compromising all along.

2255
02:16:18,837 --> 02:16:24,343
and tons of changes to try to make these more es

2256
02:16:24,343 --> 02:16:28,347
sympathetickic and make them look more pleasing, et

2257
02:16:28,347 --> 02:16:33,385
cetera, and I still totally believe that the folks that

2258
02:16:33,385 --> 02:16:37,423
are across the kanell looking at beautiful, beautiful

2259
02:16:37,423 --> 02:16:42,428
homes instead of a green tennis court fence I just

2260
02:16:42,428 --> 02:16:47,466
think that this project is too important to our city

2261
02:16:47,466 --> 02:16:50,969
that we need to move it forward.

2262
02:16:50,969 --> 02:16:52,604
and thank you.

2263
02:16:52,604 --> 02:16:53,605
>> commissioner joffe.

2264
02:16:53,605 --> 02:16:56,175
>> I had some other site plan comments.

2265
02:16:56,175 --> 02:16:59,175
we should finish the building.

2266
02:17:00,412 --> 02:17:03,480
I've said my peace on the building.

2267
02:17:03,480 --> 02:17:06,885
it looks like I see the handwriting on the wall and I

2268
02:17:06,885 --> 02:17:09,755
mean this sincerely, if this passes, I've said my

2269
02:17:09,755 --> 02:17:10,890
peases.

2270
02:17:10,890 --> 02:17:11,490
I wish you all the luck in the world.

2271
02:17:11,490 --> 02:17:16,829
I hope you build these completely underbudget, ahead of

2272
02:17:16,829 --> 02:17:17,429
schedule.

2273
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:19,898
if I get invited to the grand opening, you can tell me

2274
02:17:19,898 --> 02:17:20,733
I told you so.

2275
02:17:20,733 --> 02:17:22,733
but, you know.

2276
02:17:24,636 --> 02:17:28,974
>> commissioner long, I don't know how to follow that

2277
02:17:28,974 --> 02:17:31,143
oil let you go first.

2278
02:17:31,143 --> 02:17:35,314
>> I'll restate my concerns also in the fact that I

2279
02:17:35,314 --> 02:17:37,916
understand what my other commissioners are saying.

2280
02:17:37,916 --> 02:17:41,753
and to the mayor's point, I don't know if if 20 feet is

2281
02:17:41,753 --> 02:17:44,123
going to make a huge difference from 16.

2282
02:17:44,123 --> 02:17:46,859
I don't know if that four feet is going to make a

2283
02:17:46,859 --> 02:17:47,920
difference.

2284
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:51,530
the biggest concern is not as much from sandy talked

2285
02:17:51,530 --> 02:17:55,534
about other monster mcmansions, just the width, it is

2286
02:17:55,534 --> 02:17:56,869
not 117 feet.

2287
02:17:56,869 --> 02:18:01,390
and that is the scary part because you have 117, 117,

2288
02:18:01,390 --> 02:18:04,777
117, children's activity center with god, I hope you do

2289
02:18:04,777 --> 02:18:06,678
something fancy with that, because.

2290
02:18:06,678 --> 02:18:08,780
>> kind of a brick wall.

2291
02:18:08,780 --> 02:18:11,416
>> worst building ever put up, I think in the area.

2292
02:18:11,416 --> 02:18:14,786
but I can go with it if we have to and almost sounds

2293
02:18:14,786 --> 02:18:16,321
like we kind of have to.

2294
02:18:16,321 --> 02:18:20,526
I understand that, your issues as far as your finances,

2295
02:18:20,526 --> 02:18:23,462
how projects work, I get all that.

2296
02:18:23,462 --> 02:18:26,832
it is a wish that we could do something more to open

2297
02:18:26,832 --> 02:18:28,233
that up a little bit.

2298
02:18:28,233 --> 02:18:34,139
I mean there is no way to adjust one building up, one

2299
02:18:34,139 --> 02:18:37,643
building back and have a different look.

2300
02:18:37,643 --> 02:18:40,345
I hope I get a told you so but as you're coming down

2301
02:18:40,345 --> 02:18:42,481
the waterway you're not going to see one big wall.

2302
02:18:42,481 --> 02:18:49,810
and I think that the landscaping has to play a very

2303
02:18:49,870 --> 02:18:51,487
important role in this.

2304
02:18:51,490 --> 02:18:58,130
>> I would like to offer a motiongy would like to get a

2305
02:18:58,130 --> 02:19:02,201
consensus commissioner joffe and then make your motion

2306
02:19:02,201 --> 02:19:07,272
known and then this is not a final vote for

2307
02:19:07,272 --> 02:19:11,343
commissioner maucker, just a consenseus on item number

2308
02:19:11,343 --> 02:19:16,949
9 which is the spacing, sorry, I just want to make

2309
02:19:16,949 --> 02:19:17,449
sure.

2310
02:19:17,449 --> 02:19:22,521
the spacing of if left side, west side town homes

2311
02:19:22,521 --> 02:19:26,558
building to create a better esthetic view, the

2312
02:19:26,558 --> 02:19:31,358
discussion was between if separation of 16 feet or 24

2313
02:19:31,630 --> 02:19:32,631
feet is.

2314
02:19:32,631 --> 02:19:34,800
>>> commissioner macher are you okay with 16 feet.

2315
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:35,334
>>> yes.

2316
02:19:35,334 --> 02:19:37,169
>> commissioner long.

2317
02:19:37,169 --> 02:19:38,103
>> ei'll accept it.

2318
02:19:38,103 --> 02:19:39,304
>> commissioner joffe.

2319
02:19:39,304 --> 02:19:41,139
>> no.

2320
02:19:41,139 --> 02:19:44,243
>> van buzz kirk says no, 16 feet, 4-1 going across.

2321
02:19:44,243 --> 02:19:50,480
okay, mr. Hickey from there I would like you to move

2322
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:55,320
onto number 10 which is the sorry, that is there.

2323
02:19:55,320 --> 02:20:00,250
at this poin in time as with go down to the land use

2324
02:20:00,250 --> 02:20:02,928
comprehensive plan, and zoning by the site plan

2325
02:20:02,928 --> 02:20:06,531
approval of the land actions in order to be approved.

2326
02:20:06,531 --> 02:20:11,360
so number 11, commissioner joffe you bring up any other

2327
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:15,540
site plan issues you have noticed or found during this

2328
02:20:15,540 --> 02:20:20,450
process mr. Hickey on number 11 is there anything else

2329
02:20:20,450 --> 02:20:23,181
that needs to be stated there, sir?

2330
02:20:23,181 --> 02:20:26,510
>> no and again, we talked about it in the beginning

2331
02:20:26,510 --> 02:20:28,420
these are all the other land development actions that

2332
02:20:28,420 --> 02:20:30,789
have to happen before the site plan is approved.

2333
02:20:30,789 --> 02:20:34,860
it is all these have to be in place so the site plan --

2334
02:20:34,860 --> 02:20:35,527
[inaudible]

2335
02:20:35,527 --> 02:20:37,527
>> okay.

2336
02:20:38,730 --> 02:20:41,533
>> commissioner joffe, where are we going?

2337
02:20:41,533 --> 02:20:43,101
>> I've had this raised.

2338
02:20:43,101 --> 02:20:46,271
I raised it before and want to raise it again to create

2339
02:20:46,271 --> 02:20:47,606
a picture for the commissioners.

2340
02:20:47,606 --> 02:20:54,206
and it is the lighted tennis courts on the rooftop I

2341
02:20:54,513 --> 02:20:59,313
just have to say respectfully, I'm concerned about

2342
02:20:59,518 --> 02:21:00,152
those.

2343
02:21:00,152 --> 02:21:05,657
and this yacht club is going to create for lack of

2344
02:21:05,657 --> 02:21:09,661
better term, an interior skyline smack-dab in the

2345
02:21:09,661 --> 02:21:11,697
middle of the city.

2346
02:21:11,697 --> 02:21:15,701
and I -- it is -- how all the is it going to be?

2347
02:21:15,701 --> 02:21:20,973
50 max, 59 to the tippy top of everything so the

2348
02:21:20,973 --> 02:21:21,440
lights.

2349
02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:23,275
>> the lights are 50, am I correct?

2350
02:21:23,275 --> 02:21:23,875
50 the max.

2351
02:21:23,875 --> 02:21:26,411
>>> the lights you get on the plan, because I didn't

2352
02:21:26,411 --> 02:21:27,112
see the plan.

2353
02:21:27,112 --> 02:21:28,513
>> they're going to be on the wall.

2354
02:21:28,513 --> 02:21:32,584
I have a suggest chun, why don't we do like the booms.

2355
02:21:32,584 --> 02:21:36,321
give it a year, tell me if we don't like it and take

2356
02:21:36,321 --> 02:21:39,791
them down and only whreaf it on the two of the tennis

2357
02:21:39,791 --> 02:21:40,580
center.

2358
02:21:40,580 --> 02:21:43,628
>> I -- I mean that has consider I would like that to

2359
02:21:43,628 --> 02:21:46,498
be our call, because I could live with that.

2360
02:21:46,498 --> 02:21:51,898
my concern is I know you've shaded them and.

2361
02:21:52,437 --> 02:21:54,639
>> there is new directional lighting.

2362
02:21:54,639 --> 02:21:55,507
>> I understand.

2363
02:21:55,507 --> 02:21:57,420
I was talking to some of the people about it.

2364
02:21:57,420 --> 02:22:00,312
I feel like no matter what you do, you're going to see

2365
02:22:00,312 --> 02:22:03,480
this sucker at night from a lot of different places

2366
02:22:03,480 --> 02:22:04,182
from around the city.

2367
02:22:04,182 --> 02:22:08,153
and I haven't seen a visual -- god knows you don't want

2368
02:22:08,153 --> 02:22:12,157
to spend money on the -- I haven't seen a visual of

2369
02:22:12,157 --> 02:22:16,194
what these lights are going to look like and candid lid

2370
02:22:16,194 --> 02:22:20,198
the rest of the lights on the building myself, this is

2371
02:22:20,198 --> 02:22:23,835
going to be a 50-foot, 55-foot max tawm structure the

2372
02:22:23,835 --> 02:22:27,839
middle of the city with big lights that are going to

2373
02:22:27,839 --> 02:22:30,142
light tennis courts on top.

2374
02:22:30,142 --> 02:22:32,711
I've had residents express concerns about I.

2375
02:22:32,711 --> 02:22:36,415
I just want to raise it and hopefully there is

2376
02:22:36,415 --> 02:22:40,886
something we can do about it again, I don't know how to

2377
02:22:40,886 --> 02:22:44,189
draft something to see fit works for a year.

2378
02:22:44,189 --> 02:22:47,920
I understand he there will be people who want to play

2379
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:47,859
tennis at night.

2380
02:22:47,859 --> 02:22:51,763
we might be fighting with them now or making them angry

2381
02:22:51,763 --> 02:22:54,599
later but something this commission needs to think

2382
02:22:54,599 --> 02:22:54,966
about.

2383
02:22:54,966 --> 02:22:58,870
we're going to go from a city that is a very dark city

2384
02:22:58,870 --> 02:23:01,907
to begin with, which is a whole different debate that

2385
02:23:01,907 --> 02:23:03,408
we're not going have tonight.

2386
02:23:03,408 --> 02:23:06,111
>> we only have time for so many debate.

2387
02:23:06,111 --> 02:23:10,150
>> right now has a beautiful light howses spinning in

2388
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:10,782
the distance.

2389
02:23:10,782 --> 02:23:14,486
and with all due respect mr. Paterson, you're going to

2390
02:23:14,486 --> 02:23:14,853
change.

2391
02:23:14,853 --> 02:23:17,155
that sounds like tonight you're definitely going to

2392
02:23:17,155 --> 02:23:17,722
change it.

2393
02:23:17,722 --> 02:23:20,859
I don't now, I talked -- correct me if I'm wrong mr.

2394
02:23:20,859 --> 02:23:24,290
hickey and I talked to our city planner about it and

2395
02:23:24,290 --> 02:23:27,466
don't pass out on the verbage, he says it is going to

2396
02:23:27,466 --> 02:23:30,869
look like a ball field on the top of the club.

2397
02:23:30,869 --> 02:23:35,307
and dwient to be looking at a ball club 60, 55 feet in

2398
02:23:35,307 --> 02:23:37,709
the their the middle of the city.

2399
02:23:37,709 --> 02:23:39,945
that is my concern, discuss.

2400
02:23:39,945 --> 02:23:42,481
>> commissioner ftion you don't mind me mentioning the

2401
02:23:42,481 --> 02:23:45,550
mayor does have some comments on this he would like to

2402
02:23:45,550 --> 02:23:48,320
mention, but before we worry about the ball field look.

2403
02:23:48,320 --> 02:23:52,520
ibe interest, commissioner joffe, your ball feel

2404
02:23:52,557 --> 02:23:53,158
comment.

2405
02:23:53,158 --> 02:23:54,526
>> not mine, his.

2406
02:23:54,526 --> 02:23:54,893
he told me.

2407
02:23:54,893 --> 02:23:55,560
>> it is interesting.

2408
02:23:55,560 --> 02:23:59,160
>> it depends where the liking is.

2409
02:23:59,598 --> 02:24:03,268
>> all yfs going say is this, ultimately in the end, it

2410
02:24:03,268 --> 02:24:06,371
is a ball field, because that is where they're hitting

2411
02:24:06,371 --> 02:24:07,906
tennis balls back and forth.

2412
02:24:07,906 --> 02:24:08,807
it is a ball field.

2413
02:24:08,807 --> 02:24:13,311
second of all we already have two ball fields in the

2414
02:24:13,311 --> 02:24:16,615
city with very large high standing structured lights

2415
02:24:16,615 --> 02:24:18,250
that are called park.

2416
02:24:18,250 --> 02:24:20,118
>> are they on top of the build inning.

2417
02:24:20,118 --> 02:24:24,389
>> let me ask you a question, is in it is 60 feet and

2418
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:27,425
60 feet is there really a difference if they're both

2419
02:24:27,425 --> 02:24:29,528
the same height in the sky in.

2420
02:24:29,528 --> 02:24:35,528
>> I'm merely mentioning I think it is a valid concern.

2421
02:24:36,670 --> 02:24:38,670
>> you have extra parts but make sure everyone is

2422
02:24:38,670 --> 02:24:41,206
iware, I don't know the exact height of the current

2423
02:24:41,206 --> 02:24:42,274
light nlsz our park.

2424
02:24:42,274 --> 02:24:45,944
I've got to believe just by random guessing that

2425
02:24:45,944 --> 02:24:48,813
they're over 50-foot high in the air.

2426
02:24:48,813 --> 02:24:51,750
and the way looking at commissioner long he help get

2427
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:52,317
those approved.

2428
02:24:52,317 --> 02:24:54,719
I have to believe they are higher than that.

2429
02:24:54,719 --> 02:24:59,791
but to be on the safe sigh, that means that we're going

2430
02:24:59,791 --> 02:25:03,562
to have a structure with lights that are directional,

2431
02:25:03,562 --> 02:25:07,766
that are very close to being that people do complain

2432
02:25:07,766 --> 02:25:08,199
about.

2433
02:25:08,199 --> 02:25:09,267
that is something to think.

2434
02:25:09,267 --> 02:25:12,837
commissioner johnson, please you're not going to leave

2435
02:25:12,837 --> 02:25:17,342
the lights on all night, what are you thinking the

2436
02:25:17,342 --> 02:25:17,809
hours.

2437
02:25:17,809 --> 02:25:19,911
>> the planning and zoning board made us.

2438
02:25:19,911 --> 02:25:20,779
>> 9:00.

2439
02:25:20,779 --> 02:25:22,470
>> 9:00, right.

2440
02:25:22,470 --> 02:25:24,616
>> so in the summertime, that is like.

2441
02:25:24,616 --> 02:25:28,186
>> an hour after it goals dark and the rest of the time

2442
02:25:28,186 --> 02:25:31,223
it is a few hours and that is like, you've compared

2443
02:25:31,223 --> 02:25:32,357
foitd the ball field.

2444
02:25:32,357 --> 02:25:34,492
the people that live around the ball field, of course,

2445
02:25:34,492 --> 02:25:35,126
don't like it.

2446
02:25:35,126 --> 02:25:38,296
people who live around the school don't like children

2447
02:25:38,296 --> 02:25:42,133
to come out forrie sess, but, you know, it is only

2448
02:25:42,133 --> 02:25:45,303
going to inconvenience them if somebody a few hours

2449
02:25:45,303 --> 02:25:46,370
every night.

2450
02:25:46,370 --> 02:25:48,106
>> if it is a problem I would be fixing it.

2451
02:25:48,106 --> 02:25:52,430
I am the closest neighbor to the property staring at

2452
02:25:52,430 --> 02:25:52,444
it.

2453
02:25:52,444 --> 02:25:55,247
and I am concerned about -- anything that I'm going to

2454
02:25:55,247 --> 02:25:58,316
do, I'm going to be concerned about the value of my

2455
02:25:58,316 --> 02:25:59,484
personal home as well.

2456
02:25:59,484 --> 02:26:00,251
>> commissioner long.

2457
02:26:00,251 --> 02:26:04,589
>>> using the ball field analogy, I think there is a

2458
02:26:04,589 --> 02:26:08,526
big difference here in the fact that the final height

2459
02:26:08,526 --> 02:26:10,862
of that light is 50 feet.

2460
02:26:10,862 --> 02:26:14,599
it is only really lighting up an area that is what, 15

2461
02:26:14,599 --> 02:26:18,360
feet, 20 feet belowna as compared to a ball field light

2462
02:26:18,360 --> 02:26:20,839
which has, you know, much higher lumens, I guess.

2463
02:26:20,839 --> 02:26:23,942
and has to broadcast light throughout, you know,

2464
02:26:23,942 --> 02:26:25,760
hundreds of yards.

2465
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:28,813
so there has got to be a big difference that with the

2466
02:26:28,813 --> 02:26:30,615
proper shielding it can be done.

2467
02:26:30,615 --> 02:26:33,251
you're always going to have the halo effect of the

2468
02:26:33,251 --> 02:26:33,518
light.

2469
02:26:33,518 --> 02:26:37,856
I think your biggest concern they be from some of the

2470
02:26:37,856 --> 02:26:42,227
town house people, but again they get used to that, a

2471
02:26:42,227 --> 02:26:45,797
bunch of marina people will be a big concern.

2472
02:26:45,797 --> 02:26:52,397
I think you can with the proper use of lighting and

2473
02:26:53,304 --> 02:26:57,504
shielding and proper lights themselves and direction

2474
02:26:58,109 --> 02:27:04,709
you can probably really keep it controlled so it is not

2475
02:27:05,684 --> 02:27:11,684
a big halo effect like the hard rock guitar from 50

2476
02:27:13,224 --> 02:27:14,592
miles away.

2477
02:27:14,592 --> 02:27:15,994
>> something of a similar nature.

2478
02:27:15,994 --> 02:27:17,896
>> don't know how you do that.

2479
02:27:17,896 --> 02:27:21,599
>> I think one of the things obviously that I would say

2480
02:27:21,599 --> 02:27:25,300
that leaving the lights on until 9:00 at night is only

2481
02:27:25,300 --> 02:27:27,138
good if people are playing on it.

2482
02:27:27,138 --> 02:27:31,420
y been by the club before on this time of the year and

2483
02:27:31,420 --> 02:27:33,478
there is no one playing on the courts.

2484
02:27:33,478 --> 02:27:37,982
so I hope the idea I think outside of the time frame

2485
02:27:37,982 --> 02:27:42,153
one of the things that would be important, I think to

2486
02:27:42,153 --> 02:27:46,324
mr. Paterson is if no one is playing, they shut the

2487
02:27:46,324 --> 02:27:50,128
lights off I would say that takes frit that if

2488
02:27:50,128 --> 02:27:51,229
everybody is okay.

2489
02:27:51,229 --> 02:27:54,699
>> how all the are the normal lights in the parking

2490
02:27:54,699 --> 02:27:54,999
lot?

2491
02:27:54,999 --> 02:27:56,668
or typically.

2492
02:27:56,668 --> 02:28:00,171
>> it can be around,ca be around 25 feet.

2493
02:28:00,171 --> 02:28:05,430
ours are lower because we have a lot of trees that

2494
02:28:05,430 --> 02:28:10,448
means we have to put a lot more in the parking lot.

2495
02:28:10,448 --> 02:28:13,985
>> obviously that has, you know, all over the place.

2496
02:28:13,985 --> 02:28:20,585
>> again, I look at the fact the height of the pole

2497
02:28:21,126 --> 02:28:24,126
itself compared to the ground.

2498
02:28:24,129 --> 02:28:27,729
that lights up an entire park.

2499
02:28:28,433 --> 02:28:34,973
>> what we're trying to do is not have any light goes

2500
02:28:34,973 --> 02:28:39,878
over our max height of the building with landscaping

2501
02:28:39,878 --> 02:28:44,249
and different things that will shade the light.

2502
02:28:44,249 --> 02:28:48,486
the halo effect would be, they're up but you don't

2503
02:28:48,486 --> 02:28:53,558
really see lights up that is not how you don't see it

2504
02:28:53,558 --> 02:28:54,392
that way.

2505
02:28:54,392 --> 02:29:00,640
>> the poles themselves would be at or we have these

2506
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:04,669
walls all the way around, remember tennis fences we

2507
02:29:04,669 --> 02:29:10,809
have now ours are by the time got the ennis court it

2508
02:29:10,809 --> 02:29:16,447
will be 12 feet the lights will be connected to those

2509
02:29:16,447 --> 02:29:21,619
walls and they will be directional and a lot more

2510
02:29:21,619 --> 02:29:24,155
lights than a normal set-up.

2511
02:29:24,155 --> 02:29:27,155
>> sit below the wall itself.

2512
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:33,932
>> sit on the wall wru not going above the wall.

2513
02:29:33,932 --> 02:29:35,932
>> okay.

2514
02:29:36,167 --> 02:29:39,404
>> mayor troast you would like to say something, sir?

2515
02:29:39,404 --> 02:29:43,740
>> I have actually been going over to the yacht club

2516
02:29:43,740 --> 02:29:46,778
for the last couple of weeks just trying to see the

2517
02:29:46,778 --> 02:29:50,114
usage of the lights, and I'm noticing that they're not

2518
02:29:50,114 --> 02:29:53,818
used that much at this time of year during the evening,

2519
02:29:53,818 --> 02:29:57,856
I do have a suggestion that I think can make this a

2520
02:29:57,856 --> 02:29:58,857
little bit easier.

2521
02:29:58,857 --> 02:30:04,562
from may 1st through december 30th, the light imans on

2522
02:30:04,562 --> 02:30:11,970
until 9 p.m and the rest of the year they'd be on until

2523
02:30:11,970 --> 02:30:17,709
7 p.m that giveious about one hour after sunset if

2524
02:30:17,709 --> 02:30:24,516
terry was open to that that two would be idea and to

2525
02:30:24,516 --> 02:30:29,654
piggyback on, that we could look at complaints that

2526
02:30:29,654 --> 02:30:36,527
come in over a year's time and if we're getting a lot

2527
02:30:36,527 --> 02:30:42,800
of complaints, it would be up to the city and the

2528
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:45,637
applicant to renegotiate those times.

2529
02:30:45,637 --> 02:30:50,341
but instead of having 9:00 yeararound, why don't we say

2530
02:30:50,341 --> 02:30:51,276
7 p.m.

2531
02:30:51,276 --> 02:30:57,115
from october 1st through april 30th and may 1st through

2532
02:30:57,115 --> 02:31:01,219
september 30th, it would be 9 p.m.

2533
02:31:01,219 --> 02:31:05,189
and the lights can only be on when courts are actually

2534
02:31:05,189 --> 02:31:07,250
actively being played on o.

2535
02:31:07,250 --> 02:31:11,896
I also have spent some time going around looking at

2536
02:31:11,896 --> 02:31:15,800
mcdonough park from different areas, yes, those lights

2537
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:22,173
are at least 50 feet in the air, I agree but the light

2538
02:31:22,173 --> 02:31:26,578
radiation they give off is pretty confined because of

2539
02:31:26,578 --> 02:31:31,482
the directional paths that are used on the light, I

2540
02:31:31,482 --> 02:31:36,387
suspect if terry is plan tongue same smileds on the

2541
02:31:36,387 --> 02:31:40,291
lights the residents that have expressed their vehement

2542
02:31:40,291 --> 02:31:44,696
concerns about their backyards being lit up at night

2543
02:31:44,696 --> 02:31:49,100
are probably under misunderstanding so I would like to

2544
02:31:49,100 --> 02:31:53,370
propose that the commission recommend that the lighting

2545
02:31:53,370 --> 02:31:57,909
beyond for the hours that I suggested during the time

2546
02:31:57,909 --> 02:32:02,313
frames I suggested if the splint throg consider that.

2547
02:32:02,313 --> 02:32:05,416
>> so I am -- you are correct the directional lighting

2548
02:32:05,416 --> 02:32:07,685
and a lot of what you say.

2549
02:32:07,685 --> 02:32:09,187
there is a couple of things here.

2550
02:32:09,187 --> 02:32:13,224
the lights are not only on to play tennis, they're on

2551
02:32:13,224 --> 02:32:16,160
for the maintenance crew because they're clay court.

2552
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:19,197
they have to be maintained after the and early in the

2553
02:32:19,197 --> 02:32:19,497
morning.

2554
02:32:19,497 --> 02:32:21,299
our guys come to work at 5 a.m.

2555
02:32:21,299 --> 02:32:22,266
, 6 a.m.

2556
02:32:22,266 --> 02:32:27,472
and get to work before anyone starts if we say 7:00

2557
02:32:27,472 --> 02:32:32,176
during hours, the reason we have night 10is is because

2558
02:32:32,176 --> 02:32:36,881
a lot of people work who want to play tennis.

2559
02:32:36,881 --> 02:32:43,870
and I don't know how to say to the tennis player, I'm

2560
02:32:43,870 --> 02:32:46,658
sorry, you can only play until 7.

2561
02:32:46,658 --> 02:32:54,499
you guys will have as much of a riot on your hands as I

2562
02:32:54,499 --> 02:32:55,330
will.

2563
02:32:55,330 --> 02:32:58,633
>> what are the tennis centers hour?

2564
02:33:01,272 --> 02:33:07,272
>> do you have the hours for our tennis centers lights?

2565
02:33:09,514 --> 02:33:14,252
>> sorry, yes we are open monday through thursday until

2566
02:33:14,252 --> 02:33:15,186
8 p.m.

2567
02:33:15,186 --> 02:33:18,156
and we do maintenance after when we actually do the

2568
02:33:18,156 --> 02:33:21,392
maintenance as soon as we can if the court is available

2569
02:33:21,392 --> 02:33:24,896
but if the courts are are being use wed have to wait

2570
02:33:24,896 --> 02:33:27,565
until they finish their play until 8:00 and sometimes

2571
02:33:27,565 --> 02:33:30,768
it takes a good hour, hour after that, so the lights

2572
02:33:30,768 --> 02:33:32,537
can sometimes be on until 9.

2573
02:33:32,537 --> 02:33:35,840
on on fridays, I would say actually on friday as well

2574
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:37,341
it goases until same time.

2575
02:33:37,341 --> 02:33:40,941
saturday and sunday we close at 5.

2576
02:33:41,612 --> 02:33:45,283
>> but becky, the lights at the tennis center oare only

2577
02:33:45,283 --> 02:33:46,951
30, 35 neat the air.

2578
02:33:46,951 --> 02:33:47,418
>> correct.

2579
02:33:47,418 --> 02:33:49,418
I think actually 28.

2580
02:33:49,654 --> 02:33:53,658
and they are led lights that -- led lights that are

2581
02:33:53,658 --> 02:33:55,693
able to turn off separately.

2582
02:33:55,693 --> 02:33:59,497
even if they're done with maintenance they can shut

2583
02:33:59,497 --> 02:34:00,331
them off.

2584
02:34:00,331 --> 02:34:02,667
>>> a much lower lighting at our tennis center.

2585
02:34:02,667 --> 02:34:06,304
that is why I didn't consider our tennis center as when

2586
02:34:06,304 --> 02:34:09,607
I looked at what was going on at mcdonough park.

2587
02:34:09,607 --> 02:34:11,607
>> agreed.

2588
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:15,179
>> commissioner long you had something to say.

2589
02:34:15,179 --> 02:34:19,500
>> I think the difference being is that you do have a

2590
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:22,553
wall around whether you're 50 up in the air or ground

2591
02:34:22,553 --> 02:34:26,900
level, I mean you're still going to have the same glow

2592
02:34:26,900 --> 02:34:28,326
coming out of the top of it.

2593
02:34:28,326 --> 02:34:32,563
the perception of where you're standing is go odisub

2594
02:34:32,563 --> 02:34:34,499
going to be different.

2595
02:34:34,499 --> 02:34:37,869
knowing how liking has come, the led lighting and

2596
02:34:37,869 --> 02:34:41,572
filters they can put on it, from a timing perspective,

2597
02:34:41,572 --> 02:34:44,942
I don't know, maybe somewhere 8:00ish, to be honest

2598
02:34:44,942 --> 02:34:48,646
from play ending at 8, and then you have some

2599
02:34:48,646 --> 02:34:50,515
maintenance time to do that.

2600
02:34:50,515 --> 02:34:53,918
you know, and also, if led lights have them on

2601
02:34:53,918 --> 02:34:57,321
different circuits, you don't have to have them all on.

2602
02:34:57,321 --> 02:35:02,590
>> can we say we do the ones up at the top, play

2603
02:35:02,590 --> 02:35:06,430
finishes at 8, give us time for mans, no later than 9,

2604
02:35:06,430 --> 02:35:10,768
but the ones down by the two that we -- the ones that

2605
02:35:10,768 --> 02:35:13,471
are remaining, just leave them as is?

2606
02:35:13,471 --> 02:35:17,441
>> we're going to have people dhrb is not your problem

2607
02:35:17,441 --> 02:35:20,311
this is ours whoever is left up here.

2608
02:35:20,311 --> 02:35:23,514
>> your building is going to emerge in the middle of

2609
02:35:23,514 --> 02:35:26,717
this city and we all know that all of our residents

2610
02:35:26,717 --> 02:35:29,921
have been following this as closely as a lot of other

2611
02:35:29,921 --> 02:35:32,823
people and we're going to get people, whether or not,

2612
02:35:32,823 --> 02:35:35,760
there are people in the city that have absolutely no

2613
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:38,663
idea this is getting built and they're going to be

2614
02:35:38,663 --> 02:35:40,398
like, what the hell is that.

2615
02:35:40,398 --> 02:35:44,135
and then lights are going to go on top and that is when

2616
02:35:44,135 --> 02:35:45,870
the problem is going to happen.

2617
02:35:45,870 --> 02:35:48,673
we all is been doing this long enough we know that is

2618
02:35:48,673 --> 02:35:49,340
going to happen.

2619
02:35:49,340 --> 02:35:52,944
that is what we're trying to mine mize and find a

2620
02:35:52,944 --> 02:35:53,244
compromise.

2621
02:35:53,244 --> 02:35:56,881
you've put up with more than any man I have seen put up

2622
02:35:56,881 --> 02:35:58,316
with over these three years.

2623
02:35:58,316 --> 02:36:01,180
so I hope we can find a compromise on this I think

2624
02:36:01,180 --> 02:36:03,254
esthetic magically, I just have a hard time -- first of

2625
02:36:03,254 --> 02:36:05,756
all we haven't soon ho it is going to look like,

2626
02:36:05,756 --> 02:36:07,191
essentially, none of us have.

2627
02:36:07,191 --> 02:36:10,895
and I have concerns that we're going to go to something

2628
02:36:10,895 --> 02:36:12,563
is not esthetic magically pleasing.

2629
02:36:12,563 --> 02:36:13,331
period.

2630
02:36:13,331 --> 02:36:14,799
>> commissioner joffe.

2631
02:36:14,799 --> 02:36:18,202
>> I would like to offer a motion, I want to make sure

2632
02:36:18,202 --> 02:36:19,503
we get a consensus here.

2633
02:36:19,503 --> 02:36:24,903
>>> I would like to offer motion to approve the

2634
02:36:24,942 --> 02:36:29,280
ordinance to rezone the light, future lighthouse point

2635
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:34,185
club from yc-mu and proposal for the yacht club

2636
02:36:34,185 --> 02:36:34,719
redevelopment.

2637
02:36:34,719 --> 02:36:37,521
>> I have a motion on the floor.

2638
02:36:37,521 --> 02:36:38,322
>> I'll second it.

2639
02:36:38,322 --> 02:36:40,258
>> motion and a second.

2640
02:36:40,258 --> 02:36:43,858
we obvious will have some discussion.

2641
02:36:45,696 --> 02:36:51,960
verify the motion considers the site plan comments that

2642
02:36:52,303 --> 02:36:58,303
were the consensus of the commission on how to handle

2643
02:36:59,644 --> 02:37:03,844
those items in the zoning board memo.

2644
02:37:04,782 --> 02:37:05,583
no further discussion.

2645
02:37:05,583 --> 02:37:07,583
>> it is

2646
02:37:18,362 --> 02:37:22,366
>> so the development agreement is correct mike?

2647
02:37:22,366 --> 02:37:24,702
I believe it's not.

2648
02:37:24,702 --> 02:37:30,702
>> it says tennis courts that operate at the yacht club

2649
02:37:33,477 --> 02:37:38,877
should close at 5 pm and tennis court light should

2650
02:37:41,452 --> 02:37:46,252
operate only during tennis play on the courts.

2651
02:37:47,825 --> 02:37:50,695
>> mr. Patterson without states, is what it says to

2652
02:37:50,695 --> 02:37:53,531
you, if you want to do your daily maintenance and

2653
02:37:53,531 --> 02:37:56,667
everything they had better get off at eight at night so

2654
02:37:56,667 --> 02:37:58,369
they can see their courts maintained.

2655
02:37:58,369 --> 02:38:00,271
I have a motion on the floor.

2656
02:38:00,271 --> 02:38:02,173
all in favor, please say aye.

2657
02:38:02,173 --> 02:38:03,174
we move past this one.

2658
02:38:03,174 --> 02:38:04,141
thank you very much.

2659
02:38:04,141 --> 02:38:09,541
sue might think you very much ladies and gentlemen.

2660
02:38:09,880 --> 02:38:12,550
>> we will take a five minute recess at this point in

2661
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:12,750
time.

2662
02:38:12,750 --> 02:38:16,187
it is 9 pm we will have everyone back here at 9:05 pm

2663
02:38:16,187 --> 02:38:18,856
everyone who is here the audience please come back to

2664
02:38:18,856 --> 02:38:20,458
the seats you are sitting in.

2665
02:38:20,458 --> 02:38:23,961
I hate to say it like that, but it makes it easier for

2666
02:38:23,961 --> 02:38:24,261
everyone.

2667
02:38:24,261 --> 02:38:26,261
>>

2668
02:45:38,328 --> 02:45:41,665
>> I would like to welcome you back we are all back

2669
02:45:41,665 --> 02:45:44,701
sitting down we are going to move on to agenda item

2670
02:45:44,701 --> 02:45:47,738
number two which is a first reading a public hearing of

2671
02:45:47,738 --> 02:45:49,940
an ordinance to approve the development agreement for

2672
02:45:49,940 --> 02:45:52,743
the lighthouse ? City attorney again, I want to mention

2673
02:45:52,743 --> 02:45:55,779
this is a public hearing so all of the residents on

2674
02:45:55,779 --> 02:45:58,282
those in attendance will have an opportunity to speak

2675
02:45:58,282 --> 02:46:01,318
and those who have sent an email the city attorney we

2676
02:46:01,318 --> 02:46:04,621
have touched base on it in the context of the site plan

2677
02:46:04,621 --> 02:46:10,210
and how they interact and hold on a second.

2678
02:46:33,283 --> 02:46:37,483
so the zoning district requires development agreement

2679
02:46:37,855 --> 02:46:44,455
so the development agreement has a lot of terms in here

2680
02:46:45,620 --> 02:46:49,862
about the construction, the timing, that uses, and

2681
02:46:50,267 --> 02:46:55,667
things like that for its development this is another

2682
02:46:56,139 --> 02:47:00,939
item that went through planning and development zoning

2683
02:47:01,411 --> 02:47:02,779
review.

2684
02:47:02,779 --> 02:47:09,379
this is, unlike the site plan which was not a public

2685
02:47:10,187 --> 02:47:14,387
hearing this evening, this one requires 2 public

2686
02:47:15,125 --> 02:47:15,759
hearings.

2687
02:47:15,759 --> 02:47:19,290
this is an ordinance, I can read the title anywhere you

2688
02:47:19,290 --> 02:47:22,299
want, we turn it over to the planner and go through

2689
02:47:22,299 --> 02:47:25,235
details, there are some issues we were hoping to with

2690
02:47:25,235 --> 02:47:27,938
the site plan get through with the applicant this

2691
02:47:27,938 --> 02:47:28,205
evening.

2692
02:47:28,205 --> 02:47:30,874
hopefully resolve admin 's we will have it all set for

2693
02:47:30,874 --> 02:47:32,750
you when it comes back.

2694
02:47:32,750 --> 02:47:32,676
>>

2695
02:47:32,676 --> 02:47:37,476
>> commissioners can I have the motion to read?

2696
02:47:37,915 --> 02:47:41,718
>> the ordinance of the city commission for the city

2697
02:47:41,718 --> 02:47:44,388
lighthouse florida with the development of the

2698
02:47:44,388 --> 02:47:47,424
development of property with the city of lighthouse

2699
02:47:47,424 --> 02:47:48,191
point.

2700
02:47:48,191 --> 02:47:51,728
[indiscernible] take all actions to perpetuate the

2701
02:47:51,728 --> 02:47:55,832
terms of the agreement providing for the effective

2702
02:47:55,832 --> 02:47:56,333
date.

2703
02:47:56,333 --> 02:48:01,733
>> commissioners, at this point in time will ask this

2704
02:48:07,311 --> 02:48:12,111
question, would you like mr. Hickey to speak?

2705
02:48:16,860 --> 02:48:22,686
>> we can address them through the best way and at this

2706
02:48:23,894 --> 02:48:30,494
point in time of the evening we will open up public

2707
02:48:31,680 --> 02:48:36,468
comments on this current first reading of the ordinance

2708
02:48:36,907 --> 02:48:41,707
to approve the developers agreement for the lighthouse

2709
02:48:42,145 --> 02:48:44,810
point yacht club.

2710
02:48:44,810 --> 02:48:47,384
I will start with those who were in virtual to raise

2711
02:48:47,384 --> 02:48:50,954
their hand if they would like to speak on the behalf of

2712
02:48:50,954 --> 02:48:52,189
the current development agreement.

2713
02:48:52,189 --> 02:48:54,189
>>

2714
02:48:59,663 --> 02:49:03,133
>> multiple people raising their hand I am going to

2715
02:49:03,133 --> 02:49:07,304
start from the top and work the way down if that's okay

2716
02:49:07,304 --> 02:49:08,500
with you.

2717
02:49:08,500 --> 02:49:13,405
>> so I am going to allow you to speak.

2718
02:49:16,446 --> 02:49:21,846
>> I want to remind everybody there will be 4 minutes

2719
02:49:23,887 --> 02:49:30,487
to speak I will keeping a timer nicole if you will

2720
02:49:31,395 --> 02:49:37,995
please note every person to speak and nicole I want to

2721
02:49:38,869 --> 02:49:46,690
thank you I know you were in their on one of our

2722
02:49:47,440 --> 02:49:50,644
toughest meeting some multiple efforts and >>

2723
02:49:51,815 --> 02:49:56,615
lighthouse point florida can everybody hear me okay?

2724
02:49:57,254 --> 02:50:03,854
>> we couldn't stay in person, had to head home so I'm

2725
02:50:04,270 --> 02:50:09,660
going to rehash the lighting issue quickly so my

2726
02:50:09,660 --> 02:50:14,738
property sits adjacent to the yacht club close to where

2727
02:50:14,738 --> 02:50:20,911
the tennis courts will sit on top of the main building

2728
02:50:20,911 --> 02:50:26,311
so we have a lot of concerns about that.

2729
02:50:27,751 --> 02:50:29,286
the point was raised about mcdonough and other folks

2730
02:50:29,286 --> 02:50:31,154
there that have to buy townhouses and they will have to

2731
02:50:31,154 --> 02:50:32,689
deal with that but they are buying their properties

2732
02:50:32,689 --> 02:50:34,591
knowing that was the case we enjoy our nights of quiet

2733
02:50:34,591 --> 02:50:36,460
dark and this is being done to us this wasn't our

2734
02:50:36,460 --> 02:50:38,161
choice so number one my preference would be, can't we

2735
02:50:38,161 --> 02:50:39,696
just make the lit courts, the courts that aren't

2736
02:50:39,696 --> 02:50:41,264
available that aren't on the roof those of the

2737
02:50:41,264 --> 02:50:42,599
nighttime courts and I understand there are constraints

2738
02:50:42,599 --> 02:50:44,167
they need more courts to accommodate team play that

2739
02:50:44,167 --> 02:50:45,869
should all be done during the day nighttime would be

2740
02:50:45,869 --> 02:50:47,404
probably less busy and that's my preference and terry

2741
02:50:47,404 --> 02:50:49,639
brought it up that we can make this a part of let's see

2742
02:50:49,639 --> 02:50:51,541
how it goes and if there are complaints we revisit this

2743
02:50:51,541 --> 02:50:53,577
and at the very least I would like to have that I

2744
02:50:53,577 --> 02:50:55,278
suspect knowing my neighbors I will not end up being

2745
02:50:55,278 --> 02:50:59,478
the only person unsatisfied with this result.

2746
02:51:45,562 --> 02:51:50,901
I would like to have myself and my neighbors have the

2747
02:51:50,901 --> 02:51:56,706
opportunity to make our case if we do end up with a

2748
02:51:56,706 --> 02:51:58,175
frank mcdonough situation.

2749
02:51:58,175 --> 02:52:03,460
we did not buy our house knowing it was going to be by

2750
02:52:03,460 --> 02:52:07,217
ballfield so I think it's a little unfair to make that

2751
02:52:07,217 --> 02:52:07,584
comparison.

2752
02:52:07,584 --> 02:52:10,787
so my preference is let's take those lights down and

2753
02:52:10,787 --> 02:52:13,990
have them just on me ground-level courts on the second

2754
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:17,527
preference would be at the very least we would have the

2755
02:52:17,527 --> 02:52:18,795
opportunity to revisit this.

2756
02:52:18,795 --> 02:52:22,732
and I think the mayor brought up some good points I

2757
02:52:22,732 --> 02:52:25,969
understand people have to play tennis after work but

2758
02:52:25,969 --> 02:52:29,606
can't they just use the tennis courts on the ground

2759
02:52:29,606 --> 02:52:33,543
level and maybe we just close the roof courts at seven

2760
02:52:33,543 --> 02:52:37,881
so either way it's a huge concern for us all the way

2761
02:52:37,881 --> 02:52:41,451
around the yacht club and living here adjacent to the

2762
02:52:41,451 --> 02:52:45,422
club thanks guys I hope I didn't go over four minutes

2763
02:52:45,422 --> 02:52:45,789
kyle.

2764
02:52:45,789 --> 02:52:49,389
sue might think you very >> okay.

2765
02:52:50,193 --> 02:52:55,699
nicole do you have someone else raising their hand it

2766
02:52:55,699 --> 02:52:57,901
would like to speak?

2767
02:52:57,901 --> 02:53:02,339
>> scott cragin I will allow you to speak.

2768
02:53:02,339 --> 02:53:05,339
>> can you hear us scott?

2769
02:53:08,211 --> 02:53:13,611
thank you for allowing us to participate >> scott can

2770
02:53:15,619 --> 02:53:19,219
you state your name and address?

2771
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:25,362
>> scott cragin and my wife is julia and we live in

2772
02:53:25,362 --> 02:53:26,696
highland beach florida.

2773
02:53:26,696 --> 02:53:27,864
we have pre-purchased a townhome my wife has worked

2774
02:53:27,864 --> 02:53:29,320
very closely with terry and very customer oriented and

2775
02:53:29,320 --> 02:53:30,100
very city oriented with any concerns associated with

2776
02:53:30,100 --> 02:53:31,368
lighting and traffic and we have been searching I don't

2777
02:53:31,368 --> 02:53:32,836
want the city to lose track of the trends in the

2778
02:53:32,836 --> 02:53:33,837
uniqueness because you have the opportunity to separate

2779
02:53:33,837 --> 02:53:35,171
yourself from new smyrna to key largo and what the

2780
02:53:35,171 --> 02:53:36,473
trend is now our communities and people can walk back

2781
02:53:36,473 --> 02:53:38,410
and forth and see each other so I know there were some

2782
02:53:38,410 --> 02:53:39,309
concerns about density and things but this is a very

2783
02:53:39,309 --> 02:53:40,377
unique opportunity for your city to really separate

2784
02:53:40,377 --> 02:53:41,411
yourself with a landmark opportunity we have some

2785
02:53:41,411 --> 02:53:42,846
trends that are very excited and we would have it lead

2786
02:53:42,846 --> 02:53:44,281
to more vibrant community and I just want to make those

2787
02:53:44,281 --> 02:53:45,448
comments let's not make pick this thing to death

2788
02:53:45,448 --> 02:53:46,883
because this is change but we will work together and I

2789
02:53:46,883 --> 02:53:48,451
felt like terry has done a nice job this has been two

2790
02:53:48,451 --> 02:53:49,886
or three years in the work said many things that are

2791
02:53:49,886 --> 02:53:51,321
you discussing will end up with phone call so I just

2792
02:53:51,321 --> 02:53:52,455
wanted to make those comments and I appreciate being

2793
02:53:52,455 --> 02:53:54,240
part of that and moving from a very dense area that we

2794
02:53:54,240 --> 02:53:55,225
think is going to be a much stronger beautiful

2795
02:53:55,225 --> 02:53:57,225
community area.

2796
02:55:32,789 --> 02:55:34,657
>> thank you scott, welcome to the city.

2797
02:55:34,657 --> 02:55:36,657
okay.

2798
02:55:39,162 --> 02:55:43,600
nicole, do you have anybody else that has raised their

2799
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:44,901
hand to speak?

2800
02:55:44,901 --> 02:55:49,372
>> I had someone raising their hand but it's down, so

2801
02:55:49,372 --> 02:55:53,810
if you want to speak, please raise your hand again >>

2802
02:55:53,810 --> 02:55:58,681
so ? Folks who are watching there is a raise your hand

2803
02:55:58,681 --> 02:56:02,719
feature on zoom, press that we will give you an

2804
02:56:02,719 --> 02:56:06,756
opportunity to speak but can you go ahead and promote

2805
02:56:06,756 --> 02:56:07,557
him please?

2806
02:56:07,557 --> 02:56:09,557
>> of course.

2807
02:56:13,296 --> 02:56:18,960
[indiscernible] scotty can you state your name and

2808
02:56:25,475 --> 02:56:26,976
address?

2809
02:56:26,976 --> 02:56:29,976
>> scotty mac grade 1321 harbor drive.

2810
02:56:38,822 --> 02:56:41,222
>> yes sir. Go ahead.

2811
02:56:41,891 --> 02:56:44,861
>> I have been at the yacht club for 44 years and 2

2812
02:56:44,861 --> 02:56:47,130
owners and now we are trying to improve the property

2813
02:56:47,130 --> 02:56:49,165
and for some reason we have everybody dragging their

2814
02:56:49,165 --> 02:56:51,234
feet it should be approved because we need everything

2815
02:56:51,234 --> 02:56:53,736
that is going forward if it's venetian plaza or the new

2816
02:56:53,736 --> 02:56:56,506
fire station that is going on through and now all of a

2817
02:56:56,506 --> 02:56:58,541
sudden we can't have improvements on the yacht club

2818
02:56:58,541 --> 02:57:00,610
which has been established for years and mainly they

2819
02:57:00,610 --> 02:57:02,879
should establish 27th terrace as terry terrace so I am

2820
02:57:02,879 --> 02:57:04,948
all in for getting approval for the improvements after

2821
02:57:04,948 --> 02:57:07,884
50 or 60 years of it being I don't know why people are

2822
02:57:07,884 --> 02:57:10,186
dragging their feet on after all these years and thank

2823
02:57:10,186 --> 02:57:12,186
you scotty.

2824
02:58:31,434 --> 02:58:36,834
>> let's move onto another person who has raised their

2825
02:58:38,241 --> 02:58:38,908
hand.

2826
02:58:38,908 --> 02:58:41,377
>> can you guys hear me?

2827
02:58:41,377 --> 02:58:46,177
>> yes sir >> I am tom oates 4450 ne. [indiscernible] ?

2828
02:58:49,152 --> 02:58:49,786
.

2829
02:58:49,786 --> 02:58:51,554
[laughter] I appreciate the dialogue in you guys are

2830
02:58:51,554 --> 02:58:53,289
asking tough questions as a resident I understand what

2831
02:58:53,289 --> 02:58:55,224
you go through and I appreciate those being asked for

2832
02:58:55,224 --> 02:58:57,160
the question is frankly a lot of residents have you

2833
02:58:57,160 --> 02:58:59,128
represent them and I get this developer this site plan

2834
02:58:59,128 --> 02:59:01,640
this development agreement this is what we are going to

2835
02:59:01,640 --> 02:59:02,999
be stuck with I think it deserves the time and

2836
02:59:02,999 --> 02:59:04,567
consideration of every one of the commissioners that

2837
02:59:04,567 --> 02:59:06,336
everyone asked tough questions and if you have concerns

2838
02:59:06,336 --> 02:59:08,370
residents get concerns that should be part of the

2839
02:59:08,370 --> 02:59:09,606
developers agreement you need to be specific because

2840
02:59:09,606 --> 02:59:11,774
generations are going to look back on this and they are

2841
02:59:11,774 --> 02:59:14,277
going to say look it was hard to believe so I want to

2842
02:59:14,277 --> 02:59:16,446
say thank you for the dialogue on the tough questions I

2843
02:59:16,446 --> 02:59:18,348
want to see more of it in participation by the

2844
02:59:18,348 --> 02:59:20,348
commissioner.

2845
03:00:00,289 --> 03:00:01,758
so thank you.

2846
03:00:01,758 --> 03:00:04,158
>> thank you mr. Oates.

2847
03:00:05,828 --> 03:00:09,465
>> do I have anyone else raising their hand?

2848
03:00:09,465 --> 03:00:13,670
>> there is no one else raising their hand at this

2849
03:00:13,670 --> 03:00:17,874
point in time since we are going to transition to those

2850
03:00:17,874 --> 03:00:21,711
in person today we received an email from sammy salem

2851
03:00:21,711 --> 03:00:25,948
to speak on behalf of this public hearing and I wanted

2852
03:00:25,948 --> 03:00:29,786
to make sure it's noted all the commissioners have been

2853
03:00:29,786 --> 03:00:33,990
given the letter that he wrote to and it will be

2854
03:00:33,990 --> 03:00:37,460
notated and added to the meeting minutes from tonight's

2855
03:00:37,460 --> 03:00:39,460
commission meeting.

2856
03:00:45,334 --> 03:00:47,334
>> all right.

2857
03:00:49,105 --> 03:00:54,110
for those who are sitting here in the physical land,

2858
03:00:54,110 --> 03:01:00,830
let's call it that right now we are going to go ahead

2859
03:01:00,830 --> 03:01:05,588
and if you would like to come up and say something

2860
03:01:05,588 --> 03:01:11,600
please walk up and state your name and address and you

2861
03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:14,630
will have four minutes to speak.

2862
03:01:14,630 --> 03:01:18,340
okay. I am not seeing a mad dash to the front I will close

2863
03:01:18,340 --> 03:01:20,770
the public comments and request public comments on this

2864
03:01:20,770 --> 03:01:23,539
ordinance and bring it back to the commissioners and

2865
03:01:23,539 --> 03:01:24,173
mr. Hickey.

2866
03:01:24,173 --> 03:01:29,112
>> good evening everyone here to the talk about the

2867
03:01:29,112 --> 03:01:33,549
development agreement the one thing I did want to

2868
03:01:33,549 --> 03:01:37,987
mention was the certification letter we want to make

2869
03:01:37,987 --> 03:01:42,959
sure you have that and to certify the city requirements

2870
03:01:42,959 --> 03:01:47,897
? Notified and again on the first page it's an

2871
03:01:47,897 --> 03:01:52,835
incitement of the summary and I want to be consistent

2872
03:01:52,835 --> 03:01:56,305
that everyone understands that there are other

2873
03:01:56,305 --> 03:02:00,743
development actions that have to happen I believe this

2874
03:02:00,743 --> 03:02:06,182
is ? And getting right to the potatoes of the item

2875
03:02:06,182 --> 03:02:10,653
there is a development agreement and depending on the

2876
03:02:10,653 --> 03:02:16,920
commission if you would like to have what we did the

2877
03:02:16,920 --> 03:02:20,530
last time and the development agreement we can just

2878
03:02:20,530 --> 03:02:26,436
walk through it soon with the easiest way to do it as

2879
03:02:26,436 --> 03:02:32,408
long as we are okay with atlas walk right fair we can

2880
03:02:32,408 --> 03:02:38,314
move past each other move onto the next three >> so the

2881
03:02:38,314 --> 03:02:44,287
first was the pop up services we had here and we want

2882
03:02:44,287 --> 03:02:48,724
some discussion on this at various times and meetings

2883
03:02:48,724 --> 03:02:53,162
the language of the development which is what was

2884
03:02:53,162 --> 03:02:58,601
agreed to at the planning and zoning board and how that

2885
03:02:58,601 --> 03:03:03,539
service will be delivered will be approved and we want

2886
03:03:03,539 --> 03:03:08,978
to make sure the process is going to work with stone

2887
03:03:08,978 --> 03:03:13,416
for the requirement the language it's in there there's

2888
03:03:13,416 --> 03:03:18,387
an outstanding item that we had to work through within

2889
03:03:18,387 --> 03:03:20,387
the development agreement.

2890
03:03:36,606 --> 03:03:38,207
the second item is the overflow parking there have been

2891
03:03:38,207 --> 03:03:39,742
some discussions we have a planning and zoning meeting

2892
03:03:39,742 --> 03:03:41,210
on december 7 and the planning and zoning board

2893
03:03:41,210 --> 03:03:43,120
requested our ? Work with their son come up with an

2894
03:03:43,120 --> 03:03:44,514
actual number of what that criteria would be so

2895
03:03:44,514 --> 03:03:46,150
everyone understands if we have x amount and the

2896
03:03:46,150 --> 03:03:47,650
traffic engineer came up with an analysis based on 325

2897
03:03:47,650 --> 03:03:49,485
and that was reviewed by our staff I think we received

2898
03:03:49,485 --> 03:03:51,287
it for the 23rd maybe I can't remember to be honest

2899
03:03:51,287 --> 03:03:52,955
with you and we responded back on the 28th the

2900
03:03:52,955 --> 03:03:54,457
applicant did supply a memorandum to look at the

2901
03:03:54,457 --> 03:03:56,425
analysis again and dina is on the call she will be able

2902
03:03:56,425 --> 03:03:58,227
to talk through it we received that this morning and we

2903
03:03:58,227 --> 03:04:00,620
haven't had a chance to digest that this is one of

2904
03:04:00,620 --> 03:04:02,310
those items the same as ? I think it's something we can

2905
03:04:02,310 --> 03:04:03,533
sit down the staff and actually the traffic consultants

2906
03:04:03,533 --> 03:04:05,201
need to get together and figure out what that number

2907
03:04:05,201 --> 03:04:07,201
is.

2908
03:05:01,691 --> 03:05:03,826
>> I'm going to bring diane back on.

2909
03:05:03,826 --> 03:05:06,329
diana I'm sorry. I am I?

2910
03:05:06,329 --> 03:05:08,329
>> I am here.

2911
03:05:11,400 --> 03:05:17,390
>> I'm sure you heard what mr. Hickey said we just want

2912
03:05:17,390 --> 03:05:21,277
a confirmation that your thought process and with 325

2913
03:05:21,277 --> 03:05:25,481
is something you and the applicants could work on

2914
03:05:25,481 --> 03:05:30,186
together to come up with a resolution with the two

2915
03:05:30,186 --> 03:05:30,686
professionals.

2916
03:05:30,686 --> 03:05:32,686
>> correct.

2917
03:05:37,226 --> 03:05:41,426
>> we just seethed ? Received the applicant's response.

2918
03:05:44,333 --> 03:05:48,938
>> just a quick question when you use the number 325

2919
03:05:48,938 --> 03:05:52,708
how do you assume that would be for.

2920
03:05:52,708 --> 03:05:54,708
[indiscernible]

2921
03:05:59,281 --> 03:06:04,687
>> do you typically have two people to a car or less?

2922
03:06:04,687 --> 03:06:11,887
how are we looking at actual cars in the parcel for the

2923
03:06:12,561 --> 03:06:13,863
special events?

2924
03:06:13,863 --> 03:06:19,263
>> they did counts for two weeks in november 2018 and

2925
03:06:21,700 --> 03:06:26,470
they pick the highest state to have a conservative

2926
03:06:26,942 --> 03:06:34,142
analysis they came up with a ratio and I believe it was

2927
03:06:34,784 --> 03:06:39,584
a thanksgiving dinner on november again the occupancy

2928
03:06:40,560 --> 03:06:46,560
rate for the amount of guests that were invited suite

2929
03:06:46,562 --> 03:06:50,762
includes employees that includes people catering code

2930
03:06:51,167 --> 03:06:56,567
includes servers that includes gas so I can't remember

2931
03:06:57,390 --> 03:07:04,239
how I only have the response letter open and I can tell

2932
03:07:04,914 --> 03:07:11,514
you exactly what was the rate we agreed that the rate

2933
03:07:12,880 --> 03:07:18,688
they came up with included a little bit more of the

2934
03:07:19,261 --> 03:07:25,261
kitchen people and staff >> are you going to take into

2935
03:07:26,469 --> 03:07:29,469
consideration the residence as well?

2936
03:07:29,739 --> 03:07:35,139
>> they did not touch any parking stalls that were

2937
03:07:37,613 --> 03:07:42,413
dedicated >> my question is we were looking at 325

2938
03:07:45,488 --> 03:07:47,488
guests, not 325 cars.

2939
03:07:48,624 --> 03:07:54,624
I'm trying to get to the car piece of it.

2940
03:07:57,533 --> 03:08:02,538
>> you have a family of four your numbers are going to

2941
03:08:02,538 --> 03:08:07,143
be different or if many of your guests are coming from

2942
03:08:07,143 --> 03:08:10,913
the parcel itself and from the townhouses I am

2943
03:08:10,913 --> 03:08:14,283
wondering how that gets thrown into the equation

2944
03:08:14,283 --> 03:08:16,785
because that would skew the 1.8.

2945
03:08:16,785 --> 03:08:21,585
>> it was actually the number that triggered any

2946
03:08:22,625 --> 03:08:28,250
additional parking however for them to be considered a

2947
03:08:28,497 --> 03:08:32,697
little more conservative they reduced it to 325.

2948
03:08:33,702 --> 03:08:35,702
and 347 guests.

2949
03:08:39,410 --> 03:08:41,410
>> commissioner?

2950
03:08:43,780 --> 03:08:45,470
>> hopefully there is agreement on the number and

2951
03:08:45,470 --> 03:08:46,782
hopefully it's been addressed and I reviewed it

2952
03:08:46,782 --> 03:08:48,751
separately with the city attorney the way my version

2953
03:08:48,751 --> 03:08:50,920
reads, special effects 225 persons or more I don't know

2954
03:08:50,920 --> 03:08:53,556
I am assuming mr. Patterson that you will be able to do

2955
03:08:53,556 --> 03:08:55,724
multiple special events at the same time and I think

2956
03:08:55,724 --> 03:08:58,561
the way it reads right now I am not saying you would do

2957
03:08:58,561 --> 03:09:01,197
this but one of the callers wants it to be specific you

2958
03:09:01,197 --> 03:09:03,365
could do three separate events of 100 people and I

2959
03:09:03,365 --> 03:09:05,534
don't think that would be triggered I don't think that

2960
03:09:05,534 --> 03:09:07,937
was your intent I think you are talking about a total

2961
03:09:07,937 --> 03:09:10,339
event occupancy I would like to see the wording make it

2962
03:09:10,339 --> 03:09:14,539
clear that that's total deaths added events.

2963
03:09:38,534 --> 03:09:41,737
>> we might be having an event and we might have all a

2964
03:09:41,737 --> 03:09:42,705
cart in the restaurant.

2965
03:09:42,705 --> 03:09:47,943
>> that, to me this doesn't say that to me the way

2966
03:09:47,943 --> 03:09:52,381
this reads right now if there is one wedding with only

2967
03:09:52,381 --> 03:09:56,418
325 adult people, that's the only time you would need

2968
03:09:56,418 --> 03:10:00,890
to trigger this and I just don't think it reads that

2969
03:10:00,890 --> 03:10:01,257
way.

2970
03:10:01,257 --> 03:10:07,960
>> if it makes it go over 325 guests it could be an

2971
03:10:07,960 --> 03:10:12,468
event of 100 but we have reservations for 250 and >> I

2972
03:10:12,468 --> 03:10:17,373
don't think we're going to fight about what it says but

2973
03:10:17,373 --> 03:10:23,212
I think we are on the same page and I don't think the

2974
03:10:23,212 --> 03:10:26,782
language matches often only thing I would recommend

2975
03:10:26,782 --> 03:10:30,819
before the second reading is I think the language

2976
03:10:30,819 --> 03:10:33,522
matches the intent of the parties.

2977
03:10:33,522 --> 03:10:35,922
that's all I have.

2978
03:10:39,862 --> 03:10:42,862
>> any other discussion on this?

2979
03:10:47,336 --> 03:10:50,336
are we good with that?

2980
03:10:52,174 --> 03:10:58,774
>> to go back to the point we will clarify what the

2981
03:11:02,318 --> 03:11:04,718
professionals, on the numbers.

2982
03:11:05,688 --> 03:11:09,224
>> I think if there's a disagreement we need to resolve

2983
03:11:09,224 --> 03:11:09,558
it.

2984
03:11:09,558 --> 03:11:12,394
hopefully there's not a disagreement on the number.

2985
03:11:12,394 --> 03:11:18,994
>> they need to come and tighten up and clean up the

2986
03:11:19,401 --> 03:11:25,240
line and was what commissioner dolphy wants and if we

2987
03:11:25,240 --> 03:11:31,800
just leave it at that, that will be just fine.

2988
03:11:31,800 --> 03:11:33,949
so if it seems to work on everything else.

2989
03:11:33,949 --> 03:11:36,318
>> the question from the traffic engineer, was this

2990
03:11:36,318 --> 03:11:39,188
done with the marina, the gym, the tennis, and that was

2991
03:11:39,188 --> 03:11:41,557
something they haven't reviewed yet and the answer was

2992
03:11:41,557 --> 03:11:44,693
yes, that was done over two weeks and all of that was

2993
03:11:44,693 --> 03:11:47,296
dejected and that came to a specific amount of people

2994
03:11:47,296 --> 03:11:49,932
coming into the restaurant the food and beverage not a

2995
03:11:49,932 --> 03:11:52,267
specific amount of people in the building, the traffic

2996
03:11:52,267 --> 03:11:54,636
engineer comments are, people are not, gyms are not

2997
03:11:54,636 --> 03:11:57,506
busy at the time the restaurants are busy and that is

2998
03:11:57,506 --> 03:11:59,842
true by the traffic study and just general knowledge

2999
03:11:59,842 --> 03:12:02,211
without something they can work out, whatever they come

3000
03:12:02,211 --> 03:12:04,211
up with.

3001
03:12:25,000 --> 03:12:25,340
>> okay.

3002
03:12:25,340 --> 03:12:27,340
mr. Hickey.

3003
03:12:29,238 --> 03:12:30,172
>> I have a question.

3004
03:12:30,172 --> 03:12:34,877
just a reminder the site plan under review in the memo

3005
03:12:34,877 --> 03:12:38,747
there was a concern if during special events there

3006
03:12:38,747 --> 03:12:42,584
would have to be some sort of traffic accommodation.

3007
03:12:42,584 --> 03:12:45,921
>> that's the number we are talking about.

3008
03:12:45,921 --> 03:12:50,121
>> this only relates to parking management >> that's

3009
03:12:52,127 --> 03:12:54,527
only talked about before

3010
03:12:54,863 --> 03:12:59,935
>> that has to do with the u-turn being blocked off

3011
03:12:59,935 --> 03:13:05,335
>> it might be something different than the event might

3012
03:13:06,175 --> 03:13:13,375
do it and it might not work so would have to do

3013
03:13:13,715 --> 03:13:20,915
something else out if we need to how are you going to

3014
03:13:21,190 --> 03:13:26,590
deal with these driveways are these exits are these

3015
03:13:26,829 --> 03:13:28,829
u-turn as well?

3016
03:13:30,265 --> 03:13:35,571
>> depending on what the event is and how big it is it

3017
03:13:35,571 --> 03:13:38,407
could trigger different positions different areas that

3018
03:13:38,407 --> 03:13:43,312
we have to cut off >> I don't have all the answers.

3019
03:13:43,312 --> 03:13:48,417
>> if there is a special event what number that is if

3020
03:13:48,417 --> 03:13:52,688
the especially event happens we need to figure out the

3021
03:13:52,688 --> 03:13:57,359
process and in addition we want to make sure that that

3022
03:13:57,359 --> 03:14:01,196
was blocked off so we wouldn't have interference with

3023
03:14:01,196 --> 03:14:03,765
traffic coming in and out very

3024
03:14:03,765 --> 03:14:08,565
>> so you don't need planning, specifically what you

3025
03:14:10,873 --> 03:14:16,273
need >> thou shalt not make u-turns during a special

3026
03:14:18,747 --> 03:14:19,548
events.

3027
03:14:19,548 --> 03:14:21,483
>> so that planning would take care of that.

3028
03:14:21,483 --> 03:14:24,686
>> to clarify that's only for special events we would

3029
03:14:24,686 --> 03:14:26,288
have to block the u-turn?

3030
03:14:26,288 --> 03:14:29,691
>> just for special events and conflicting traffic

3031
03:14:29,691 --> 03:14:30,125
movements.

3032
03:14:30,125 --> 03:14:32,125
>> okay thank you.

3033
03:14:32,361 --> 03:14:34,361
>> commissioners?

3034
03:14:34,496 --> 03:14:36,331
>> beautiful.

3035
03:14:36,331 --> 03:14:38,331
>> 13.

3036
03:14:38,333 --> 03:14:40,333
>> moving on.

3037
03:14:42,704 --> 03:14:45,407
>> this has to do with the.

3038
03:14:45,407 --> 03:14:47,209
[indiscernible] plan and this was quite a process and

3039
03:14:47,209 --> 03:14:49,110
the zoning board meeting at the planning and zoning

3040
03:14:49,110 --> 03:14:50,746
born dashboard was the previous phasing plan had three

3041
03:14:50,746 --> 03:14:52,347
phases and surveys that actually creates the tennis

3042
03:14:52,347 --> 03:14:54,349
bistro and in addition it gets through the phase of

3043
03:14:54,349 --> 03:14:55,951
construction the yacht club buildings and that's really

3044
03:14:55,951 --> 03:14:58,520
the end of phase 2 and so phase 1 based on the schedule

3045
03:14:58,520 --> 03:15:00,489
would take 26 months from the start of construction and

3046
03:15:00,489 --> 03:15:02,291
that such term is defined in the development agreement

3047
03:15:02,291 --> 03:15:04,259
phase 2 would be the remaining building which would be

3048
03:15:04,259 --> 03:15:05,861
buildings one, six, single family we talked about

3049
03:15:05,861 --> 03:15:07,863
planning and zoning board that could be built at any

3050
03:15:07,863 --> 03:15:10,399
time so having that part of it phase 1 or two they felt

3051
03:15:10,399 --> 03:15:12,200
single family from the phasing plan and it's not

3052
03:15:12,200 --> 03:15:13,802
impending construction with the yacht club or the

3053
03:15:13,802 --> 03:15:15,802
townhouses very

3054
03:16:11,960 --> 03:16:18,560
>> I remember them that's why it was left off at this

3055
03:16:19,835 --> 03:16:20,535
portion.

3056
03:16:20,535 --> 03:16:22,535
>> commissioners.

3057
03:16:26,308 --> 03:16:31,460
so my question is we have talked about the landscaping

3058
03:16:31,460 --> 03:16:36,251
and it's kind of long after demo and everything if you

3059
03:16:36,251 --> 03:16:40,880
are pushing it to the limits on that.

3060
03:16:40,880 --> 03:16:46,880
and have we had conversation about having that done are

3061
03:16:46,695 --> 03:16:52,950
we talking about the wall on 42nd street and

3062
03:16:52,634 --> 03:16:53,335
landscaping?

3063
03:16:53,335 --> 03:16:59,335
>> I think it was clear >> but that's up to 10 months

3064
03:17:01,276 --> 03:17:02,511
on that.

3065
03:17:02,511 --> 03:17:02,544
>> yes.

3066
03:17:02,544 --> 03:17:07,949
our intent is to do that as one of the first things we

3067
03:17:07,949 --> 03:17:12,120
are in the little of finalizing the engineering, we

3068
03:17:12,120 --> 03:17:16,258
have a landscape plan already but the first permit we

3069
03:17:16,258 --> 03:17:20,429
are submitting we can get the tennis center bistro up

3070
03:17:20,429 --> 03:17:25,434
and running for members to use but that wall as soon as

3071
03:17:25,434 --> 03:17:29,204
I have engineering we will start to build it.

3072
03:17:29,204 --> 03:17:34,710
there is nothing stopping me from building it and our

3073
03:17:34,710 --> 03:17:39,648
property line it goes further towards the street with

3074
03:17:39,648 --> 03:17:45,153
what you guys see so there is nothing obstructing us

3075
03:17:45,153 --> 03:17:46,822
from building that.

3076
03:17:46,822 --> 03:17:52,160
? Can we put something in here >> is the actual phasing

3077
03:17:52,160 --> 03:17:57,499
plan I thought we heard, I believe when you said you

3078
03:17:57,499 --> 03:18:03,839
submitted it but to me it should say in the year it is

3079
03:18:03,839 --> 03:18:08,243
listing and 10 months and it's consistent with exhibit

3080
03:18:08,243 --> 03:18:13,810
g >> three phasing plans I still believe but the

3081
03:18:13,810 --> 03:18:17,452
planning and zoning board felt it wasn't necessary and

3082
03:18:17,452 --> 03:18:22,824
they just combined phase 1 and phase 2. I don't agree

3083
03:18:22,824 --> 03:18:29,131
but I am doing what I'm told I feel like it makes more

3084
03:18:29,131 --> 03:18:34,503
sense to show what's happening in phase 1 of the what

3085
03:18:34,503 --> 03:18:39,374
will be completed in the second but I am being

3086
03:18:39,374 --> 03:18:43,245
accommodating but it does create questions like this,

3087
03:18:43,245 --> 03:18:49,245
is it in phase 1, phase 1 is in 26 months and not 10

3088
03:18:50,552 --> 03:18:53,955
months but made a note on it.

3089
03:18:53,955 --> 03:19:00,128
>> it would be I think to make us feel to have a

3090
03:19:00,128 --> 03:19:05,834
phasing plan in front of us to show the fact that to

3091
03:19:05,834 --> 03:19:09,638
commissioner long's point in five months this front

3092
03:19:09,638 --> 03:19:14,843
wall is being built and then I think just like anything

3093
03:19:14,843 --> 03:19:20,115
visual is key to this and the quicker you're able to

3094
03:19:20,115 --> 03:19:24,853
move on that starts to show process and shield the

3095
03:19:24,853 --> 03:19:29,591
residence and those that show good faith as you are

3096
03:19:29,591 --> 03:19:33,895
moving forward >> it's noted that's what's going to

3097
03:19:33,895 --> 03:19:39,100
happen I do understand why you don't have it in your

3098
03:19:39,100 --> 03:19:39,601
package.

3099
03:19:39,601 --> 03:19:45,601
>> the phasing plan is the previous phasing plan as far

3100
03:19:45,674 --> 03:19:51,746
as I know we haven't seen the revised phasing plan at

3101
03:19:51,746 --> 03:19:53,415
least I haven't.

3102
03:19:53,415 --> 03:20:00,150
and I don't believe >> I need to double check but he

3103
03:20:02,858 --> 03:20:10,580
just had neck surgery and I think he had to leave but

3104
03:20:12,300 --> 03:20:14,700
you will have it.

3105
03:20:15,437 --> 03:20:20,800
we have done it and what we have tried to do is taking

3106
03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:23,845
phasing one into and combine them with a bunch of notes

3107
03:20:23,845 --> 03:20:28,490
which I think phasing plan one and two is great but why

3108
03:20:28,490 --> 03:20:32,254
we now need to have the architect who just got back to

3109
03:20:32,254 --> 03:20:35,757
work the same as everyone else had covid after new

3110
03:20:35,757 --> 03:20:39,928
year's and shut down why do we have to redo it to

3111
03:20:39,928 --> 03:20:41,363
combine one into?

3112
03:20:41,363 --> 03:20:47,963
I am quite certain is phasing plan one >> if it's an

3113
03:20:48,303 --> 03:20:53,103
phasing plan one are we talking 26 months which

3114
03:20:53,475 --> 03:20:59,247
includes a demo of the tennis center to make the

3115
03:20:59,247 --> 03:21:04,419
temporary clubhouse the building of the yacht club or

3116
03:21:04,419 --> 03:21:10,225
tennis bistro in the kids center and the landscaping is

3117
03:21:10,225 --> 03:21:13,825
in the 10 months of that 26 months.

3118
03:21:14,829 --> 03:21:20,829
>> in my question was in that 10 month is that wall

3119
03:21:21,236 --> 03:21:27,750
going to be the first three months of the last 10

3120
03:21:27,750 --> 03:21:30,750
months >> it's better for me.

3121
03:21:30,278 --> 03:21:34,478
>> you have to apply for the permit.

3122
03:21:35,417 --> 03:21:38,417
>> it will be done first.

3123
03:21:45,226 --> 03:21:51,226
it's quick and easy and underway and >> I know what

3124
03:21:51,766 --> 03:21:55,966
you're going to say but go ahead.

3125
03:21:55,971 --> 03:21:57,672
>> what am I going to say?

3126
03:21:57,672 --> 03:22:01,872
>> the commissioner needs a timeline for that.

3127
03:22:04,980 --> 03:22:06,980
>> and correct sir.

3128
03:22:08,450 --> 03:22:13,555
>> I know there was a dispute but I would like a

3129
03:22:13,555 --> 03:22:18,193
timeline what I was going to say was there was a

3130
03:22:18,193 --> 03:22:22,397
dispute mr. Patterson and I saw the great debate of

3131
03:22:22,397 --> 03:22:26,634
three phases versus two phases and it was riveting and

3132
03:22:26,634 --> 03:22:30,438
the start of construction and I know planning and

3133
03:22:30,438 --> 03:22:35,110
zoning was approved the 26 months and the 10 months so

3134
03:22:35,110 --> 03:22:38,110
have we reached an agreement?

3135
03:22:41,950 --> 03:22:46,721
I think starting is starting, and I know you disagree

3136
03:22:46,721 --> 03:22:51,926
with that, are we starting to count from when you start

3137
03:22:51,926 --> 03:22:53,395
sharing stuff down?

3138
03:22:53,395 --> 03:22:58,933
>> I do not agree with your statement in the end there

3139
03:22:58,933 --> 03:23:03,605
was a discussion but it was discussed and agreed to

3140
03:23:03,605 --> 03:23:07,342
what we had written in the developers agreement.

3141
03:23:07,342 --> 03:23:12,580
what we have written it was discussed at length and

3142
03:23:12,580 --> 03:23:16,751
when we started construction 30 days after receiving

3143
03:23:16,751 --> 03:23:21,456
the permit for the yacht club clubhouse are the

3144
03:23:21,456 --> 03:23:26,194
townhouse building 2345 basically the bulk of the main

3145
03:23:26,194 --> 03:23:30,899
construction that's going to start when I get the

3146
03:23:30,899 --> 03:23:35,603
permit I need to mobilize everyone we need mobilization

3147
03:23:35,603 --> 03:23:37,603
time.

3148
03:23:42,610 --> 03:23:48,249
that is what was discussed at length that we had a

3149
03:23:48,249 --> 03:23:52,854
disagreement and the wording was changed and when you

3150
03:23:52,854 --> 03:23:58,526
receive the first permit and I want to start doing some

3151
03:23:58,526 --> 03:24:04,165
permanent work in the first permit could be done ? And

3152
03:24:04,165 --> 03:24:09,304
it was discussed in planning and zoning so please go

3153
03:24:09,304 --> 03:24:11,304
back and watch.

3154
03:24:14,476 --> 03:24:17,812
[indiscernible] the wording was clear in the developers

3155
03:24:17,812 --> 03:24:21,820
agreement, that was discussed and very specifically I

3156
03:24:21,820 --> 03:24:26,870
said that it pointed out to them that that was when I

3157
03:24:26,870 --> 03:24:29,791
could start construction of the main project and also

3158
03:24:29,791 --> 03:24:33,962
it stated in the developers agreement that I would be

3159
03:24:33,962 --> 03:24:37,665
able to try to stop the tennis center early.

3160
03:24:37,665 --> 03:24:39,601
that's not happening obviously.

3161
03:24:39,601 --> 03:24:43,605
I wish it would happen, past going to be unfortunate

3162
03:24:43,605 --> 03:24:47,575
for us and our members but the main timeline would

3163
03:24:47,575 --> 03:24:51,980
start when the main building ? If we do it from

3164
03:24:51,980 --> 03:24:56,384
demolition you got a certain amount of time you have to

3165
03:24:56,384 --> 03:25:00,788
act on your permit and if you are acting on the

3166
03:25:00,788 --> 03:25:04,759
demolition permit, you can act by keeping it live every

3167
03:25:04,759 --> 03:25:08,959
90 days but what else can you do?

3168
03:25:09,630 --> 03:25:13,768
and then if I get that permit and something holds up

3169
03:25:13,768 --> 03:25:18,439
the issuance of all of my other permits I don't know

3170
03:25:18,439 --> 03:25:19,707
what that is.

3171
03:25:19,707 --> 03:25:24,479
we all know that it's not easy to get building permits

3172
03:25:24,479 --> 03:25:29,250
anywhere so that's why the date has to start when the

3173
03:25:29,250 --> 03:25:32,754
main construction starts just because I have a

3174
03:25:32,754 --> 03:25:35,323
demolition permit doesn't mean I'm starting

3175
03:25:35,323 --> 03:25:35,790
construction

3176
03:25:35,790 --> 03:25:39,727
>> so demolition process takes three months you have to

3177
03:25:39,727 --> 03:25:44,320
just for our regular house and the reason is have to

3178
03:25:44,320 --> 03:25:47,969
apply for the demolition permit you have to shut off

3179
03:25:47,969 --> 03:25:52,340
your water, your power, your gas, you have to get a

3180
03:25:52,340 --> 03:25:56,644
sewer cap permit and they do whatever they want to when

3181
03:25:56,644 --> 03:26:01,783
they want and how they want and you can say to fbl, I

3182
03:26:01,783 --> 03:26:05,983
want you to shut me down tomorrow.

3183
03:26:08,957 --> 03:26:09,924
but they won't.

3184
03:26:09,924 --> 03:26:13,695
they will show up five or six weeks later.

3185
03:26:13,695 --> 03:26:16,950
they could come tomorrow.

3186
03:26:16,831 --> 03:26:23,431
but ? Just the nature of it and it takes three months

3187
03:26:24,372 --> 03:26:26,772
to get these permits.

3188
03:26:26,908 --> 03:26:31,713
when I get letters from fpl the inspection on the sewer

3189
03:26:31,713 --> 03:26:37,418
cap on and all the other utilities and you have to do a

3190
03:26:37,418 --> 03:26:41,356
whole lot of asbestos testing felt the project and

3191
03:26:41,356 --> 03:26:44,392
being an old building with the process.

3192
03:26:44,392 --> 03:26:50,992
the actual demolition is not going to be longer than a

3193
03:26:52,867 --> 03:26:57,667
week and >> is the demolition including ports and

3194
03:26:59,774 --> 03:27:01,309
everything else?

3195
03:27:01,309 --> 03:27:07,909
>> I have a plan where yes, the courts that we are

3196
03:27:09,500 --> 03:27:14,450
building are just getting scraped and even the asphalt

3197
03:27:14,856 --> 03:27:21,456
and we have property right now it has been great soil

3198
03:27:21,963 --> 03:27:29,163
and rock we are scraping the top off and >> is there a

3199
03:27:30,338 --> 03:27:35,138
possibility working on the demolition and not engaging

3200
03:27:35,476 --> 03:27:41,476
in that permit until you have a building permit in

3201
03:27:41,949 --> 03:27:42,583
hand?

3202
03:27:42,583 --> 03:27:47,588
>> to get the demolition permit, we have to go through

3203
03:27:47,588 --> 03:27:52,930
the process I just told you even applying for the

3204
03:27:52,930 --> 03:27:57,565
permit I have to apply for a sewer cap permit what do

3205
03:27:57,565 --> 03:27:59,801
you regard as the permit?

3206
03:27:59,801 --> 03:28:06,401
>> the sewer cap that cap is a separate permit from the

3207
03:28:08,209 --> 03:28:10,609
devil ? Demolition permit >> no.

3208
03:28:12,347 --> 03:28:19,120
you have to pass that to be able to get the demolition

3209
03:28:19,120 --> 03:28:19,654
permit.

3210
03:28:19,654 --> 03:28:24,392
there's a reason it was worded and discussed by the

3211
03:28:24,392 --> 03:28:28,596
planning and zoning board and a developer architect he

3212
03:28:28,596 --> 03:28:31,432
knows what he is talking about

3213
03:28:31,432 --> 03:28:35,320
>> here is where I am on.

3214
03:28:36,704 --> 03:28:38,373
I understand the pangs of building something like this

3215
03:28:38,373 --> 03:28:40,541
I kind of think that the line should stand I know that

3216
03:28:40,541 --> 03:28:42,410
will probably put you under some pressure but I sat

3217
03:28:42,410 --> 03:28:43,845
through a planning and zoning board meeting where

3218
03:28:43,845 --> 03:28:45,513
people were in favor of terry's development and they

3219
03:28:45,513 --> 03:28:47,315
were still concerned about the length of how long it

3220
03:28:47,315 --> 03:28:49,550
was going to take and I see that it seems like there

3221
03:28:49,550 --> 03:28:51,352
has been some agreement on extensions and I say this

3222
03:28:51,352 --> 03:28:53,388
with all due respect if you run into problems like that

3223
03:28:53,388 --> 03:28:55,590
we are trusting you with 12 acres of the city that you

3224
03:28:55,590 --> 03:28:57,592
are going to redevelop and we need to trust that we

3225
03:28:57,592 --> 03:28:59,794
will be reasonable and fair and that is where I am on

3226
03:28:59,794 --> 03:29:01,996
and if you run into problems I know you might not have

3227
03:29:01,996 --> 03:29:03,998
liked my vote but I have tried to be reasonable about

3228
03:29:03,998 --> 03:29:08,798
stuff and that's kind of where I am.

3229
03:29:50,778 --> 03:29:56,717
>> many people have said to me over my 22 years of

3230
03:29:56,717 --> 03:30:01,656
building in my typical contract is three to $10 million

3231
03:30:01,656 --> 03:30:06,594
hi deal with lawyers and negotiations I just don't go

3232
03:30:06,594 --> 03:30:09,630
in and renovate somebody's kitchen.

3233
03:30:09,630 --> 03:30:12,330
if you don't negotiate those contracts correctly in the

3234
03:30:12,330 --> 03:30:15,369
beginning, two or three years later it gets thrown in

3235
03:30:15,369 --> 03:30:18,339
your face, had the opportunity to object and you

3236
03:30:18,339 --> 03:30:18,673
didn't.

3237
03:30:18,673 --> 03:30:19,607
and I am objecting now.

3238
03:30:19,607 --> 03:30:24,879
I know you are saying we are all going to be reasonable

3239
03:30:24,879 --> 03:30:25,279
later.

3240
03:30:25,279 --> 03:30:28,416
I brought a reasonable article to the board about my

3241
03:30:28,416 --> 03:30:32,153
own house and that was totally thrown out so how am I

3242
03:30:32,153 --> 03:30:35,623
supposed to expect for my own house which is a very

3243
03:30:35,623 --> 03:30:38,426
reasonable argument, what you guys are going to hear

3244
03:30:38,426 --> 03:30:39,961
next year and this year?

3245
03:30:39,961 --> 03:30:43,831
how can I expect that for when I am fighting for.

3246
03:30:43,831 --> 03:30:45,831
[indiscernible]

3247
03:30:53,841 --> 03:30:56,611
>> I expect you're going to be reasonable but I need to

3248
03:30:56,611 --> 03:30:59,347
negotiate the best that I can and I am not just a

3249
03:30:59,347 --> 03:31:01,849
magician but there is a very detailed ? It shows the

3250
03:31:01,849 --> 03:31:04,118
phases on what has to happen first and why construction

3251
03:31:04,118 --> 03:31:06,654
if you want me to build 24 seven overnight I cannot

3252
03:31:06,654 --> 03:31:09,157
even do that because they were allowed to and we don't

3253
03:31:09,157 --> 03:31:11,692
have either of those in our favor and I understand your

3254
03:31:11,692 --> 03:31:13,961
concern and I heard from a lot of residents concerned

3255
03:31:13,961 --> 03:31:16,697
about the length of time for a building and I feel like

3256
03:31:16,697 --> 03:31:19,667
we need to keep it on a tight leash as possible and I

3257
03:31:19,667 --> 03:31:27,467
am open to other ideas and I am not the only one here.

3258
03:31:49,964 --> 03:31:55,964
if anybody has an idea I will listen to it.

3259
03:31:56,671 --> 03:32:01,471
>> park planning and zoning did consider start of

3260
03:32:04,445 --> 03:32:06,845
construction to include demolition.

3261
03:32:07,949 --> 03:32:11,385
terry is right about mr. ? Who develops properties and

3262
03:32:11,385 --> 03:32:14,488
he serves as a fire station development consultant and

3263
03:32:14,488 --> 03:32:17,992
that john knox village and demolition includes, is a

3264
03:32:17,992 --> 03:32:21,950
permit that is issue that starts construction and part

3265
03:32:21,950 --> 03:32:24,899
of the problem is that we need to ensure that this

3266
03:32:24,899 --> 03:32:27,668
development gets done as exponentially as possible and

3267
03:32:27,668 --> 03:32:31,138
we went to our chief building official and asked him

3268
03:32:31,138 --> 03:32:34,275
the start of the construction ? Construction and under

3269
03:32:34,275 --> 03:32:38,475
the florida building code, yes it does.

3270
03:32:47,855 --> 03:32:54,662
so all weeds is to avoid any doubt is we added into the

3271
03:32:54,662 --> 03:32:57,832
statement the parenthetical including demolition permit

3272
03:32:57,832 --> 03:33:04,138
to make it clear but there was never a debate at the

3273
03:33:04,138 --> 03:33:08,342
start of construction included the demolition it was

3274
03:33:08,342 --> 03:33:12,460
discussed because it was understood that included

3275
03:33:12,460 --> 03:33:12,546
demolition.

3276
03:33:12,546 --> 03:33:16,830
mr. Patterson has a different opinion and at the end of

3277
03:33:16,830 --> 03:33:19,286
the day if he starts demoing and starts constructing at

3278
03:33:19,286 --> 03:33:22,857
the yacht club, do we want to extend that 26 months

3279
03:33:22,857 --> 03:33:26,394
into a time that could be 36 months and since he

3280
03:33:26,394 --> 03:33:29,630
brought up the residence offering it up as well that

3281
03:33:29,630 --> 03:33:33,501
has been going on over three years I drove by it today

3282
03:33:33,501 --> 03:33:35,102
there is nothing going on.

3283
03:33:35,102 --> 03:33:37,505
it was completely dead today when I drove by so we need

3284
03:33:37,505 --> 03:33:39,306
to ensure that the project keeps moving forward and

3285
03:33:39,306 --> 03:33:41,509
that's all we have the language but if there is an

3286
03:33:41,509 --> 03:33:43,110
unforeseen circumstance that he comes back to the

3287
03:33:43,110 --> 03:33:44,278
commission, the commission reasonably must consider

3288
03:33:44,278 --> 03:33:46,313
that and has the ability to grant a one-year extension

3289
03:33:46,313 --> 03:33:48,482
which gives him from 40 months to 52 months 52 months

3290
03:33:48,482 --> 03:33:50,885
is a long time we had a lot of residents express their

3291
03:33:50,885 --> 03:33:52,887
concerns as jason pointed out about the length of time

3292
03:33:52,887 --> 03:33:54,889
this is going to take the planning and zoning board

3293
03:33:54,889 --> 03:33:56,857
stated that this project should be done in two years

3294
03:33:56,857 --> 03:33:59,260
and that's not a viable if the yacht club is going to

3295
03:33:59,260 --> 03:34:01,950
remain open during the construction phase but they were

3296
03:34:01,950 --> 03:34:03,497
clear this could be done in two years and those are mr.

3297
03:34:03,497 --> 03:34:05,497
gallo's words.

3298
03:34:42,803 --> 03:34:48,976
I respect the opinion on this but at the end of the day

3299
03:34:48,976 --> 03:34:55,182
I do think that we need to stick to the start of the

3300
03:34:55,182 --> 03:34:58,519
construction definition that is in the developers

3301
03:34:58,519 --> 03:34:59,190
agreement.

3302
03:34:59,190 --> 03:34:59,954
thank you.

3303
03:34:59,954 --> 03:35:04,859
>> so I drove by today in the rain and I didn't see

3304
03:35:04,859 --> 03:35:07,495
anyone planning my jackson lane my pools

3305
03:35:07,495 --> 03:35:11,599
>> stream if there is nothing that the mayor is saying

3306
03:35:11,599 --> 03:35:15,336
that was correct so even the planning and zoning board

3307
03:35:15,336 --> 03:35:20,174
we need to look at the tapes >> I think the key here

3308
03:35:20,174 --> 03:35:24,278
ultimately and I looked to my left and my right the

3309
03:35:24,278 --> 03:35:27,248
commissioners from what they are hearing, we are

3310
03:35:27,248 --> 03:35:31,180
worried about the duration of the project area and I

3311
03:35:31,180 --> 03:35:35,890
think you don't want to be here any longer than you

3312
03:35:35,890 --> 03:35:39,226
want to and go ahead and sell these things and there

3313
03:35:39,226 --> 03:35:43,664
are mechanisms in here for you to come back to us I

3314
03:35:43,664 --> 03:35:47,802
don't even like to think about that we have to but

3315
03:35:47,802 --> 03:35:51,906
those of the mechanisms that we have in place for your

3316
03:35:51,906 --> 03:35:54,906
comeback and you are right.

3317
03:36:03,317 --> 03:36:07,688
can we not be sitting up here or whoever is sitting up

3318
03:36:07,688 --> 03:36:09,857
here is there a possibility?

3319
03:36:09,857 --> 03:36:15,857
absolutely but at that point this is a queen ? Clean

3320
03:36:16,430 --> 03:36:22,336
sweep at this point and it's important to me and

3321
03:36:22,336 --> 03:36:28,275
personally I think you start to get these things going

3322
03:36:28,275 --> 03:36:34,248
I would like to hear something more to mike's point

3323
03:36:34,248 --> 03:36:39,648
about this wall I like the free fate ? Three-phase

3324
03:36:40,187 --> 03:36:46,930
thing and this time in market is absolutely absurd to

3325
03:36:46,930 --> 03:36:52,660
say that what people said, I know more people that

3326
03:36:52,660 --> 03:36:58,666
can't get stuff done in a timely manner >> and then I

3327
03:36:59,206 --> 03:37:05,713
agree with that so to get people sitting here and the

3328
03:37:05,713 --> 03:37:12,286
people that sat up here that can say that no disrespect

3329
03:37:12,286 --> 03:37:19,994
to them that was the truth and it hurts but my point is

3330
03:37:19,994 --> 03:37:25,933
I think it's important that we stick to putting your

3331
03:37:25,933 --> 03:37:33,133
feet to the fire even if it puts you at a disadvantage.

3332
03:37:36,877 --> 03:37:39,877
>> your objection is duly noted.

3333
03:38:03,470 --> 03:38:05,372
>> you want to state what the planning and zoning board recommend? I urge you to watch the video and you will see that I

3334
03:38:05,372 --> 03:38:06,974
am right and look at what was presented to the planning

3335
03:38:06,974 --> 03:38:08,800
and zoning board and what was discussed.

3336
03:38:08,800 --> 03:38:13,914
the wording that I want and it was change for year that

3337
03:38:13,914 --> 03:38:18,852
was not approved by the planning and zoning board and

3338
03:38:18,852 --> 03:38:22,790
before the clubhouse that's when it was discussed.

3339
03:38:22,790 --> 03:38:25,790
I am not changing anything.

3340
03:38:28,762 --> 03:38:31,598
>> I like the site plan the development agreement and

3341
03:38:31,598 --> 03:38:34,768
this was not like an application that they acted on and

3342
03:38:34,768 --> 03:38:37,371
so this was put together with their input and

3343
03:38:37,371 --> 03:38:39,974
negotiations between ourselves and this is going to be

3344
03:38:39,974 --> 03:38:42,543
approved by the city commission there is a different

3345
03:38:42,543 --> 03:38:45,713
role and we relied on their expertise and it was a

3346
03:38:45,713 --> 03:38:48,315
different role it's not like they approve the document

3347
03:38:48,315 --> 03:38:50,918
they got through some of these negotiation points and

3348
03:38:50,918 --> 03:38:54,355
at the end of the day what is proposed is what the

3349
03:38:54,355 --> 03:38:56,657
administration believes it could be there for the

3350
03:38:56,657 --> 03:38:58,657
timing of it.

3351
03:39:27,621 --> 03:39:30,621
>> and you guys know this.

3352
03:39:30,658 --> 03:39:37,258
>> I just had a question for myself and for the people

3353
03:39:38,966 --> 03:39:45,566
who are listening if we set this time limit and what

3354
03:39:46,640 --> 03:39:53,240
happens with the supply chain and the rest of it what

3355
03:39:54,314 --> 03:39:55,150
happens?

3356
03:39:55,150 --> 03:39:57,150
soon 14.6 >>

3357
03:40:14,835 --> 03:40:22,350
>> I would say again we have to be looking back at our

3358
03:40:22,342 --> 03:40:26,947
self for our current construction issues not controlled

3359
03:40:26,947 --> 03:40:33,287
by anything out of our control and I believe in the

3360
03:40:33,287 --> 03:40:38,459
residence and those who sit up here it's open-minded

3361
03:40:38,459 --> 03:40:43,859
but to mr. Patterson's point we can't guarantee it.

3362
03:40:46,667 --> 03:40:48,569
but I think this is important to our residents.

3363
03:40:48,569 --> 03:40:53,969
>> is a commission we have to represent the residence

3364
03:40:53,974 --> 03:40:59,947
of the biggest concerns are the length of time and we

3365
03:40:59,947 --> 03:41:05,385
do understand the supply chain issues and I think that

3366
03:41:05,385 --> 03:41:11,892
would be logical for us to talk about and if it's the

3367
03:41:11,892 --> 03:41:16,797
fact that those issues don't exist and that's another

3368
03:41:16,797 --> 03:41:18,797
thing.

3369
03:41:24,471 --> 03:41:30,477
it's like chasing a stick so to speak and if he has

3370
03:41:30,477 --> 03:41:35,516
that released in 14.6 that could solve his major issues

3371
03:41:35,516 --> 03:41:39,953
>> I appreciate this debate because this has been the

3372
03:41:39,953 --> 03:41:45,259
item that we have spent the most time on which is the

3373
03:41:45,259 --> 03:41:50,970
length of the term of construction and how we get an

3374
03:41:50,970 --> 03:41:55,402
extension if we need it and I hear you loud and clear

3375
03:41:55,402 --> 03:42:00,274
and I understand what you are saying you want to hold

3376
03:42:00,274 --> 03:42:05,145
terry's feet to the fire you want to build extra time

3377
03:42:05,145 --> 03:42:09,550
into the agreement because you what to make sure he

3378
03:42:09,550 --> 03:42:13,987
works expeditiously I could tell you myself I am making

3379
03:42:13,987 --> 03:42:18,859
renovations to our home and I have to call the subs

3380
03:42:18,859 --> 03:42:24,164
every day and call them to finish the job I have a

3381
03:42:24,164 --> 03:42:28,135
unfinished driveway they can't get the turf they can

3382
03:42:28,135 --> 03:42:32,539
get the trees it's ridiculous so I think we can

3383
03:42:32,539 --> 03:42:35,642
reasonably acknowledge I think this is respectfully,

3384
03:42:35,642 --> 03:42:39,613
anyone who works in this industry knows how incredibly

3385
03:42:39,613 --> 03:42:44,484
difficult it is to meet this timeframe for a project of

3386
03:42:44,484 --> 03:42:48,889
this magnitude which leads me to number two which is

3387
03:42:48,889 --> 03:42:53,760
one thing I felt strongly about and it is important to

3388
03:42:53,760 --> 03:42:58,632
have language if terry has to come back and asked for

3389
03:42:58,632 --> 03:43:02,603
an extension it won't be with how that's common

3390
03:43:02,603 --> 03:43:06,540
language for a contract and this makes me exceedingly

3391
03:43:06,540 --> 03:43:10,978
uncomfortable I just have to tell you the language that

3392
03:43:10,978 --> 03:43:16,283
ended up in here mike proposed it and we can agree with

3393
03:43:16,283 --> 03:43:19,820
an accelerated timeline it's aggressive it will hold

3394
03:43:19,820 --> 03:43:24,691
his feet to the fire and that went from saying the

3395
03:43:24,691 --> 03:43:28,228
city's sole discretion which I totally disagree with

3396
03:43:28,228 --> 03:43:32,199
something that's a hybrid that means the city's sole

3397
03:43:32,199 --> 03:43:36,603
discretion and is the one thing I have been adamant

3398
03:43:36,603 --> 03:43:41,909
about that I just feel so strongly that >> I work hard

3399
03:43:41,909 --> 03:43:47,681
to get to the language that we have so I went and I

3400
03:43:47,681 --> 03:43:52,850
pulled case law on what your authority would be and

3401
03:43:52,850 --> 03:43:55,622
even though your government your sole discretion is

3402
03:43:55,622 --> 03:44:00,270
limited and this is from the case exercise of good

3403
03:44:00,270 --> 03:44:05,332
faith and you can't come in here and say no to terry

3404
03:44:05,332 --> 03:44:10,637
because you don't like the color of his tie and I'm not

3405
03:44:10,637 --> 03:44:15,750
going to debate her as our recommendation and when it

3406
03:44:15,750 --> 03:44:19,460
comes to the commission you should have that discretion

3407
03:44:19,460 --> 03:44:23,450
but you cannot be arbitrary and I have been consistent

3408
03:44:23,450 --> 03:44:29,222
on that and I think the whole time we have been in the

3409
03:44:29,222 --> 03:44:32,726
city commission and if you go with unreasonably

3410
03:44:32,726 --> 03:44:37,597
withheld and I think I believe that this was a point

3411
03:44:37,597 --> 03:44:42,200
that was negotiated and resolved until just now and if

3412
03:44:42,200 --> 03:44:46,873
not that's a point for the lawyers and you guys can

3413
03:44:46,873 --> 03:44:50,877
choose which lawyer which advised he would take but

3414
03:44:50,877 --> 03:44:55,770
this is the recommendation I would make.

3415
03:45:46,833 --> 03:45:48,769
>> we will have our third lawyer come in.

3416
03:45:48,769 --> 03:45:50,769
>>

3417
03:45:55,208 --> 03:45:58,578
>> I was also wanting to hold terry's feet to the fire

3418
03:45:58,578 --> 03:46:01,681
and I was the one that wanted to say sole discretion

3419
03:46:01,681 --> 03:46:05,352
and I wanted to be able to look at terry and say done

3420
03:46:05,352 --> 03:46:08,188
with him I'm not giving him the extension I realize

3421
03:46:08,188 --> 03:46:12,125
that I am the one that asked you I want to know if you

3422
03:46:12,125 --> 03:46:15,228
can't do that I think mr. Patterson it comes down to

3423
03:46:15,228 --> 03:46:18,331
trust I know we have such a wonderful record of trust

3424
03:46:18,331 --> 03:46:21,134
but hopefully that changes after tonight and I am hard

3425
03:46:21,134 --> 03:46:26,534
on this as well I want you to know.

3426
03:46:55,680 --> 03:46:57,680
[indiscernible]

3427
03:46:59,105 --> 03:47:05,705
>> I like this language and if I have to go through

3428
03:47:06,313 --> 03:47:11,713
case law I am not comfortable >> in this future

3429
03:47:12,385 --> 03:47:17,785
commission says sorry but now and that's really the

3430
03:47:17,824 --> 03:47:25,624
danger that you ask him to agree to and I have to go

3431
03:47:25,699 --> 03:47:32,299
read a bunch of cases to understand what it means and

3432
03:47:32,305 --> 03:47:39,505
we have the eighth version and no one is working and we

3433
03:47:39,579 --> 03:47:45,579
can't get workers and we can't get subs and the

3434
03:47:45,619 --> 03:47:51,190
commission at that time may be a different commission

3435
03:47:51,570 --> 03:47:57,657
comes in later and said I hate the yacht club project

3436
03:47:57,697 --> 03:48:04,297
and he takes a huge risk by not getting language that

3437
03:48:04,337 --> 03:48:09,737
gives that standard that is customary so I appreciate

3438
03:48:09,776 --> 03:48:16,976
you taking the step back and I would say to him I

3439
03:48:17,170 --> 03:48:23,170
wouldn't sign it I would just figure out something else

3440
03:48:23,560 --> 03:48:28,456
because it's dangerous and I appreciate mike taking the

3441
03:48:28,495 --> 03:48:35,695
way for sending me cases and the respect I felt and is

3442
03:48:35,769 --> 03:48:39,969
a very dangerous thing to agree to

3443
03:48:40,600 --> 03:48:46,513
>> you are doing a great job and I have been here long

3444
03:48:46,513 --> 03:48:51,518
enough and the one saying across the board we have

3445
03:48:51,518 --> 03:48:57,570
always been fair and open and we have dealt with others

3446
03:48:57,570 --> 03:49:03,630
who are not likable people I don't know where he is now

3447
03:49:03,630 --> 03:49:09,690
but he is gone and still lead out with him with proper

3448
03:49:09,690 --> 03:49:13,607
roles through the regulations and through our codes and

3449
03:49:13,607 --> 03:49:19,790
we have touched on the next 26 months how the supply

3450
03:49:19,790 --> 03:49:23,617
chain may change how the employment factors may change

3451
03:49:23,617 --> 03:49:28,622
and quite honestly everyone has the same issue but if

3452
03:49:28,622 --> 03:49:33,627
you are getting your kitchen read on we all understand

3453
03:49:33,627 --> 03:49:39,165
and I have enough faith in the commission that we will

3454
03:49:39,165 --> 03:49:44,137
do the right thing for the city take into consideration

3455
03:49:44,137 --> 03:49:49,676
all concerns that you have as a developer >> I totally

3456
03:49:49,676 --> 03:49:54,681
respect that I just wanted to have the discussion on

3457
03:49:54,681 --> 03:50:00,687
record so you can understand how I felt about it and is

3458
03:50:00,687 --> 03:50:04,224
the commission's decision and terry's decision but

3459
03:50:04,224 --> 03:50:08,228
thank you for the opportunity >> anybody else?

3460
03:50:08,228 --> 03:50:09,729
good.

3461
03:50:09,729 --> 03:50:14,529
that has been noted in the information commissioners,

3462
03:50:15,368 --> 03:50:20,768
we are currently good with the current languages and

3463
03:50:21,741 --> 03:50:23,741
the developers agreement.

3464
03:50:23,910 --> 03:50:25,910
commissioners?

3465
03:50:26,413 --> 03:50:31,813
>> we are currently good with the phasing plan as

3466
03:50:33,190 --> 03:50:38,419
stated in the current agreement utilized in the wording

3467
03:50:38,958 --> 03:50:43,758
that the commissioner mentioned, and the request was

3468
03:50:44,230 --> 03:50:47,830
made to the developer within 60 days.

3469
03:50:48,835 --> 03:50:50,835
correct?

3470
03:50:52,138 --> 03:50:55,241
assuming the only clarification I would make, and this

3471
03:50:55,241 --> 03:50:59,120
is one of my overarching comments and I am fine with

3472
03:50:59,120 --> 03:51:02,115
the text of the development agreement as written right

3473
03:51:02,115 --> 03:51:06,186
now in section 14 and the key to this is a key

3474
03:51:06,186 --> 03:51:09,255
important phrase at the beginning of section 14 what

3475
03:51:09,255 --> 03:51:13,590
mr. Hickey and mike and the mayor get to do next

3476
03:51:13,590 --> 03:51:16,463
between now and the second reading is make sure that

3477
03:51:16,463 --> 03:51:20,233
the language of 14 drives with I don't even know how

3478
03:51:20,233 --> 03:51:22,233
many visions.

3479
03:51:35,482 --> 03:51:41,482
>> 's whatever exhibit g is an mr. Hickey and mr.

3480
03:51:47,127 --> 03:51:48,194
patterson.

3481
03:51:48,194 --> 03:51:54,194
>> the second reading one of the questions I'm going to

3482
03:51:57,904 --> 03:52:03,304
have is has the city reviewed this as well?

3483
03:52:05,845 --> 03:52:08,815
the city attorneys, the planner, the mayor, have they

3484
03:52:08,815 --> 03:52:12,485
reviewed all the documents to make sure the will of the

3485
03:52:12,485 --> 03:52:15,455
commission is reflected in these documents and they are

3486
03:52:15,455 --> 03:52:16,422
all consistent?

3487
03:52:16,422 --> 03:52:19,325
it's very important and that's very key.

3488
03:52:19,325 --> 03:52:21,725
>> moving on mr. Hickey.

3489
03:52:28,670 --> 03:52:29,200
>> that's what it is.

3490
03:52:29,200 --> 03:52:32,205
the item was resubmitted on the 22nd and revising.

3491
03:52:32,205 --> 03:52:35,175
[indiscernible] with the applicant and last item on

3492
03:52:35,175 --> 03:52:38,945
page 15 section 14.4 and there was some discussion and

3493
03:52:38,945 --> 03:52:42,282
the agreement states within six months of the affected

3494
03:52:42,282 --> 03:52:45,652
agreement I think there's some concern about that time

3495
03:52:45,652 --> 03:52:49,550
frame and the applicant is concerned it would take

3496
03:52:49,550 --> 03:52:52,759
forever and doesn't want to be held responsible and the

3497
03:52:52,759 --> 03:52:56,496
city was to establish a timeline so there is no

3498
03:52:56,496 --> 03:52:59,866
slowdown in the process that starts right away with

3499
03:52:59,866 --> 03:53:01,866
construction moving forward.

3500
03:53:26,593 --> 03:53:28,828
>> come on up mr. Patterson.

3501
03:53:28,828 --> 03:53:34,828
>> as with the point before this is the same thing.

3502
03:53:41,875 --> 03:53:43,610
I am being held to specific times that I have huge

3503
03:53:43,610 --> 03:53:45,345
repercussions if I do not meet while I'm trying to get

3504
03:53:45,345 --> 03:53:46,946
permits and you could say if you architect engineers do

3505
03:53:46,946 --> 03:53:48,515
their job correctly and the most perfect set up plans

3506
03:53:48,515 --> 03:53:50,216
you have seen in your life and it goes through this

3507
03:53:50,216 --> 03:53:51,351
zoning and planning department in zoning and

3508
03:53:51,351 --> 03:53:52,619
landscaping and the company that reviews the mechanical

3509
03:53:52,619 --> 03:53:54,200
electrical plumbing and the comments come back and we

3510
03:53:54,200 --> 03:53:55,588
quickly turn those around and then we hash our permit

3511
03:53:55,588 --> 03:53:57,524
quickly it takes me a year to get a permit for a

3512
03:53:57,524 --> 03:53:58,925
single-family home at lighthouse point so now you are

3513
03:53:58,925 --> 03:54:00,827
holding my feet to the fire on time when I don't have

3514
03:54:00,827 --> 03:54:02,896
the permits in my hand that's why I wrote it in a way

3515
03:54:02,896 --> 03:54:04,631
that said when I have the permit to build, if you

3516
03:54:04,631 --> 03:54:06,320
understand construction at all, you will follow what I

3517
03:54:06,320 --> 03:54:07,800
am saying if you would like I could get every builder

3518
03:54:07,800 --> 03:54:09,535
in this town to come to you and explain how this

3519
03:54:09,535 --> 03:54:13,735
process works and what I'm talking about.

3520
03:54:58,151 --> 03:55:00,286
>> are you referring to the clubhouse?

3521
03:55:00,286 --> 03:55:06,286
>> I am trying to acknowledge what you are saying and

3522
03:55:07,600 --> 03:55:13,600
you are talking about this bistro just deal with that

3523
03:55:13,232 --> 03:55:15,680
one right now.

3524
03:55:15,680 --> 03:55:18,680
how is that a problem?

3525
03:55:18,371 --> 03:55:23,771
>> so let's say we sign this agreement february 8. And

3526
03:55:26,980 --> 03:55:33,580
I submit right now it comes down to the effective date

3527
03:55:35,588 --> 03:55:40,988
let's see we sign february 8 thus the effective date.

3528
03:55:43,429 --> 03:55:47,400
>> the effective date is not going to be the date we

3529
03:55:47,400 --> 03:55:50,403
sign it because you have to prove financial viability

3530
03:55:50,403 --> 03:55:53,339
before everything is signed and you have to get

3531
03:55:53,339 --> 03:55:56,642
signatures from your lenders and we are not going to

3532
03:55:56,642 --> 03:55:59,278
sign this the day after this is approved.

3533
03:55:59,278 --> 03:56:05,318
>> six months and you kind of made a lot of your

3534
03:56:05,318 --> 03:56:10,857
planning and your drawings and staff are done >> I get

3535
03:56:10,857 --> 03:56:15,895
the permit piece but six months to get a permanently

3536
03:56:15,895 --> 03:56:21,434
most of the work that goes into the permit is completed

3537
03:56:21,434 --> 03:56:23,436
you have your electrical.

3538
03:56:23,436 --> 03:56:28,307
>> the engineers and the architects we are going to be

3539
03:56:28,307 --> 03:56:33,146
ready we should have been ready a little while ago but

3540
03:56:33,146 --> 03:56:37,550
the architect has been in the hospital soon like you

3541
03:56:37,550 --> 03:56:41,521
just said monday you will have all of this.

3542
03:56:41,521 --> 03:56:43,521
>> not the permit.

3543
03:56:43,689 --> 03:56:49,429
it doesn't take a long time to get the permit through

3544
03:56:49,429 --> 03:56:54,133
next six months when that package is delivered and

3545
03:56:54,133 --> 03:56:58,337
ready to go it will take six months.

3546
03:56:58,337 --> 03:57:02,575
>> I am hoping it will take two or three months my

3547
03:57:02,575 --> 03:57:05,778
concern is it will take seven months then what?

3548
03:57:05,778 --> 03:57:07,713
I am going to be up here yelling and screaming.

3549
03:57:07,713 --> 03:57:10,713
but hold on one second.

3550
03:57:11,117 --> 03:57:13,520
I'm sorry.

3551
03:57:13,520 --> 03:57:14,554
mike did you have something to say?

3552
03:57:14,554 --> 03:57:21,154
>> this is when he would apply for his first permit is

3553
03:57:26,799 --> 03:57:29,199
not when it's issued.

3554
03:57:30,903 --> 03:57:33,406
I was looking at the memo that said 14 for is the issue

3555
03:57:33,406 --> 03:57:34,740
so we are talking about 14 three

3556
03:57:34,740 --> 03:57:39,746
>> prior to the effective date and this was originally

3557
03:57:39,746 --> 03:57:45,318
written and he would be able to move forward with the

3558
03:57:45,318 --> 03:57:50,389
tennis bistro and have those reviewed and this says he

3559
03:57:50,389 --> 03:57:55,928
can apply any time but then no later than six months

3560
03:57:55,928 --> 03:58:00,466
after brain after this agreement is recorded and it

3561
03:58:00,466 --> 03:58:04,660
could be seven or eight months.

3562
03:58:26,125 --> 03:58:30,325
so is there an issue with that?

3563
03:58:30,763 --> 03:58:35,101
>> maybe I misunderstood the way you guys are

3564
03:58:35,101 --> 03:58:36,350
discussing it.

3565
03:58:36,350 --> 03:58:39,972
sue mcginnis says that agrees to apply for a building

3566
03:58:39,972 --> 03:58:43,142
permit after the effective date and prior to

3567
03:58:43,142 --> 03:58:46,279
concurrently with the permit is for the first

3568
03:58:46,279 --> 03:58:49,849
residential building so you would apply for them within

3569
03:58:49,849 --> 03:58:54,187
six months and to get the ball rolling the timeframe is

3570
03:58:54,187 --> 03:58:58,124
that the start of construction when you get the permit

3571
03:58:58,124 --> 03:59:02,862
and scream at us with these two say just get out there

3572
03:59:02,862 --> 03:59:05,862
and start applying for them.

3573
03:59:12,705 --> 03:59:18,105
>> you are pretty close to just getting your final

3574
03:59:20,460 --> 03:59:23,646
package together for the yacht club.

3575
03:59:24,417 --> 03:59:31,170
>> we haven't made any change to the site plan and we

3576
03:59:39,298 --> 03:59:44,698
have a relief was 14.6 and >> there was another relief

3577
03:59:52,979 --> 03:59:58,979
in here and I couldn't find it >> and some natural

3578
04:00:06,592 --> 04:00:08,592
problems right?

3579
04:00:09,950 --> 04:00:14,495
you have a statute that allows for extensions and

3580
04:00:16,369 --> 04:00:18,369
>> thank you.

3581
04:00:19,839 --> 04:00:26,439
>> so that's the extension of time it would be like if

3582
04:00:28,614 --> 04:00:35,814
the whole state has put on it's a direct effect on the

3583
04:00:37,390 --> 04:00:42,790
property but that's another opportunity if you get a

3584
04:00:43,996 --> 04:00:48,796
hurricane here that affects the statute that provides

3585
04:00:49,835 --> 04:00:55,835
some relief to look at under the circumstances so that

3586
04:00:57,176 --> 04:01:03,776
type of thing can create the need for more time man >>

3587
04:01:05,952 --> 04:01:10,752
that's a government ? You are fine with 14.3 and 14.4?

3588
04:01:13,993 --> 04:01:19,393
slick as something happens swimming again this is a

3589
04:01:20,199 --> 04:01:26,199
periodic review by was reading over and I thought it

3590
04:01:27,106 --> 04:01:32,506
was all had little periodic review was 12 months and

3591
04:01:34,800 --> 04:01:38,880
you could come and explain the problems 60 days.

3592
04:01:40,286 --> 04:01:41,921
>> and the extension piece

3593
04:01:41,921 --> 04:01:47,921
>> you have to notify us within 60 days you can't come

3594
04:01:49,495 --> 04:01:53,950
in the day before it's due.

3595
04:01:53,265 --> 04:01:58,604
>> I think what I'm asking should come in more than

3596
04:01:58,604 --> 04:02:04,477
once a year and if we run into trouble it's going to

3597
04:02:04,477 --> 04:02:10,316
delay the project and what we do right now I apply to

3598
04:02:10,316 --> 04:02:15,688
my client was a change order in timing and they approve

3599
04:02:15,688 --> 04:02:20,559
or don't approve it we negotiate in the end everybody

3600
04:02:20,559 --> 04:02:22,559
forgets what happened.

3601
04:02:24,597 --> 04:02:29,335
>> I don't want to be where we have to worry about it

3602
04:02:29,335 --> 04:02:34,730
but the point is we are not going to know you have had

3603
04:02:34,730 --> 04:02:38,770
all these problems and I want to be part of the

3604
04:02:38,770 --> 04:02:41,714
solution and I do think something like six months would

3605
04:02:41,714 --> 04:02:45,718
be nice for periodic review and it doesn't stop him but

3606
04:02:45,718 --> 04:02:49,355
the periodic review is required and at least once every

3607
04:02:49,355 --> 04:02:54,755
12 months we review it and at least every 12 months.

3608
04:03:03,469 --> 04:03:07,640
>> my point was I would prefer to be once every 12

3609
04:03:07,640 --> 04:03:10,409
months or at least once every six months.

3610
04:03:10,409 --> 04:03:16,409
>> we wrote this basically the same as the statute if

3611
04:03:19,185 --> 04:03:25,785
you want to require us to look at this more frequently

3612
04:03:27,960 --> 04:03:29,562
we can.

3613
04:03:29,562 --> 04:03:33,332
>> I want the city to review the process and you to be

3614
04:03:33,332 --> 04:03:34,200
part of it.

3615
04:03:34,200 --> 04:03:38,737
the periodic review is a combination of the city and

3616
04:03:38,737 --> 04:03:40,105
you and.

3617
04:03:40,105 --> 04:03:44,305
[indiscernible] is just one of those things.

3618
04:03:47,646 --> 04:03:52,151
>> the commission's not going to be doing this this

3619
04:03:52,151 --> 04:03:53,919
administration, the building department.

3620
04:03:53,919 --> 04:03:57,189
how do you know about it?

3621
04:03:57,189 --> 04:04:00,659
>> you have any thoughts on this?

3622
04:04:00,659 --> 04:04:05,264
>> following the statute is what we need but we are

3623
04:04:05,264 --> 04:04:09,468
going to go pretty quickly within the first six months

3624
04:04:09,468 --> 04:04:14,730
to a year if there are problems and I think the

3625
04:04:14,730 --> 04:04:17,409
administration can report back to the commission six

3626
04:04:17,409 --> 04:04:21,580
months following the effective date and the reason I am

3627
04:04:21,580 --> 04:04:25,351
saying have the administration report back I don't know

3628
04:04:25,351 --> 04:04:29,955
what the effective date is going to be given all the

3629
04:04:29,955 --> 04:04:33,325
signatures and the requirements that are placed on

3630
04:04:33,325 --> 04:04:37,530
terry before this becomes effective >> so I think we

3631
04:04:37,530 --> 04:04:41,667
can do that separately from the agreement I think it's

3632
04:04:41,667 --> 04:04:45,370
direction from the commission six months following we

3633
04:04:45,370 --> 04:04:50,750
will get a report on where we stand on the yacht club

3634
04:04:50,750 --> 04:04:54,246
development and we can decide from there how often you

3635
04:04:54,246 --> 04:04:55,915
want to see that.

3636
04:04:55,915 --> 04:05:01,220
>> I am fine with that I just want to make sure we are

3637
04:05:01,220 --> 04:05:01,987
getting updates.

3638
04:05:01,987 --> 04:05:04,987
>> I don't want anymore language.

3639
04:05:08,160 --> 04:05:14,160
the lawyers will figure it out we half past 14.4, we

3640
04:05:16,135 --> 04:05:19,135
have gotten past the 14s?

3641
04:05:19,471 --> 04:05:25,844
>> there is a numbering issue that I caught when I was

3642
04:05:25,844 --> 04:05:30,644
referring this ? Reviewing this 14.5 there is in a

3643
04:05:31,150 --> 04:05:31,684
14.5.

3644
04:05:31,684 --> 04:05:34,840
soon if that's correct.

3645
04:05:34,620 --> 04:05:40,200
14 six will become 14 five you are looking at this.

3646
04:05:40,359 --> 04:05:44,559
>> that's cross reference in a couple places.

3647
04:05:46,532 --> 04:05:51,332
>> either that or we label 14.5 is not used.

3648
04:05:55,941 --> 04:05:56,942
>> let's do that, mike.

3649
04:05:56,942 --> 04:06:01,800
14.5 reserved so you don't have to find all of the

3650
04:06:01,800 --> 04:06:01,447
cross-references.

3651
04:06:01,447 --> 04:06:03,447
>> okay.

3652
04:06:04,516 --> 04:06:08,116
>> I do have one other question.

3653
04:06:09,588 --> 04:06:15,127
why do we think we can get a copy of exhibit g so the

3654
04:06:15,127 --> 04:06:18,664
administration can start reviewing at and I want to

3655
04:06:18,664 --> 04:06:23,402
give a copy to the commission asap and I need to see

3656
04:06:23,402 --> 04:06:28,140
when we are going to get the revised plan and you don't

3657
04:06:28,140 --> 04:06:32,878
need to answer that at this moment I would just like an

3658
04:06:32,878 --> 04:06:35,247
answer sometime in the next week.

3659
04:06:35,247 --> 04:06:39,151
we will be noticing this in two weeks.

3660
04:06:39,151 --> 04:06:41,860
>> I will say the next week we need to have it

3661
04:06:41,860 --> 04:06:47,860
>> we want everything ready and >> exhibit g will be in

3662
04:06:57,836 --> 04:06:59,836
line with section 14.

3663
04:07:03,409 --> 04:07:07,900
>> we will have to review that.

3664
04:07:08,814 --> 04:07:11,884
we will have to try it out to the developer agreement

3665
04:07:11,884 --> 04:07:13,180
as a site plan.

3666
04:07:13,180 --> 04:07:15,180
>> thank you, mayor.

3667
04:07:15,654 --> 04:07:17,654
>> moving on.

3668
04:07:19,491 --> 04:07:20,492
on to number four.

3669
04:07:20,492 --> 04:07:22,492
correct?

3670
04:07:23,762 --> 04:07:28,670
>> financial impact and recommendations so one of them

3671
04:07:28,670 --> 04:07:29,501
was provide.

3672
04:07:29,501 --> 04:07:32,671
[indiscernible] and the second was they would provide

3673
04:07:32,671 --> 04:07:33,906
additional analysis.

3674
04:07:33,906 --> 04:07:38,706
[indiscernible] so we will work with their acceptance

3675
04:07:41,980 --> 04:07:44,380
to remember their numbers.

3676
04:07:47,190 --> 04:07:49,190
[papers shuffling]

3677
04:07:49,154 --> 04:07:54,554
>> so I want to talk about the financial accountability

3678
04:07:56,128 --> 04:07:58,128
of the project.

3679
04:07:58,964 --> 04:08:04,964
[papers shuffling] and I guess the question for me the

3680
04:08:06,839 --> 04:08:11,639
understanding is this ties into when the agreement

3681
04:08:13,145 --> 04:08:17,345
becomes effective that's important for you, terry.

3682
04:08:18,684 --> 04:08:22,221
it has tied off the effective date of the agreement so

3683
04:08:22,221 --> 04:08:25,457
I see that the effective date is defined in paragraph

3684
04:08:25,457 --> 04:08:28,393
five and then we say a confirmation of.

3685
04:08:28,393 --> 04:08:32,464
[papers shuffling] prior to this agreement becoming

3686
04:08:32,464 --> 04:08:38,270
effective, so is the intent here, before you can start

3687
04:08:38,270 --> 04:08:42,374
doing stuff like before this is official.

3688
04:08:42,374 --> 04:08:48,647
if we vote to approve this I read this to mean that

3689
04:08:48,647 --> 04:08:52,284
unless terry gives the financial confirmation tomorrow,

3690
04:08:52,284 --> 04:08:58,560
maybe you can, I don't know, he can't proceed like to

3691
04:08:58,560 --> 04:09:03,829
me in my opinion I feel like we should be getting

3692
04:09:03,829 --> 04:09:08,534
comfort that you can pull this off financially before

3693
04:09:08,534 --> 04:09:10,934
we approve this because.

3694
04:09:11,770 --> 04:09:18,370
[indiscernible] we have to live with this and I am not

3695
04:09:20,813 --> 04:09:26,813
clear based on when we are going to get confirmation

3696
04:09:29,210 --> 04:09:35,621
that he has the money to do this before this gets

3697
04:09:38,630 --> 04:09:40,630
approved or after?

3698
04:09:42,467 --> 04:09:50,409
>> the way I read it, we are going to vote on it in the

3699
04:09:50,409 --> 04:09:56,215
city, the mayor will not sign it until he has this

3700
04:09:56,215 --> 04:09:59,815
agreement and >> but getting confirmation that >>

3701
04:10:00,419 --> 04:10:03,880
that's why the mayor doesn't.

3702
04:10:03,880 --> 04:10:04,560
[indiscernible]

3703
04:10:04,560 --> 04:10:06,560
>>

3704
04:10:10,996 --> 04:10:16,996
>> it was unclear to me that we are not starting

3705
04:10:18,837 --> 04:10:22,437
anything until the administration gets comfort

3706
04:10:23,108 --> 04:10:28,508
>> they're not going to sign off on something they

3707
04:10:30,215 --> 04:10:35,150
don't know what the developers agreement looks like

3708
04:10:35,888 --> 04:10:42,488
they come look at it make sure the viability is still

3709
04:10:43,695 --> 04:10:44,396
there.

3710
04:10:44,396 --> 04:10:46,331
>> chicken or the egg?

3711
04:10:46,331 --> 04:10:48,331
>> correct.

3712
04:10:51,103 --> 04:10:56,875
>> I just want to make sure and confirm I know we

3713
04:10:56,875 --> 04:11:00,245
talked about this earlier, that is correct.

3714
04:11:00,245 --> 04:11:04,349
>> the city will review the financing commitments

3715
04:11:04,349 --> 04:11:07,986
regarding all contingencies including the signatures of

3716
04:11:07,986 --> 04:11:12,900
all the lenders and lienholders on the property

3717
04:11:12,900 --> 04:11:16,228
including any that have filed notices of commencement's

3718
04:11:16,228 --> 04:11:21,433
and everything will have to be signed for the city

3719
04:11:21,433 --> 04:11:25,537
signs the city is the last of sign.

3720
04:11:25,537 --> 04:11:27,472
>> commissioner are you good with that?

3721
04:11:27,472 --> 04:11:29,374
>> any other thing on this one?

3722
04:11:29,374 --> 04:11:31,774
on the developers agreement?

3723
04:11:31,843 --> 04:11:34,243
>> ready for a motion.

3724
04:11:35,914 --> 04:11:35,948
>> I am.

3725
04:11:35,948 --> 04:11:37,883
that's why I like you.

3726
04:11:37,883 --> 04:11:41,483
that's why you are my favorite.

3727
04:11:44,790 --> 04:11:48,990
>> we approve the development agreement and investment

3728
04:11:49,561 --> 04:11:55,500
llc for the development of property within the city of

3729
04:11:55,500 --> 04:11:56,702
lighthouse point.

3730
04:11:56,702 --> 04:12:01,502
>> subject to the discussion of the commission tonight,

3731
04:12:02,908 --> 04:12:08,908
there will be a a few minor changes I think.

3732
04:12:09,848 --> 04:12:14,386
>> and all the information and the attorneys and

3733
04:12:14,386 --> 04:12:19,391
exhibit g is a few changes to tweak the language

3734
04:12:19,391 --> 04:12:21,391
>> okay.

3735
04:12:26,131 --> 04:12:30,931
so we have a motion on the floor.

3736
04:12:32,738 --> 04:12:35,674
are you still seconding commissioner johnson?

3737
04:12:35,674 --> 04:12:38,674
we have any further discussion?

3738
04:12:40,345 --> 04:12:42,280
commissioners, all in favor please say aye.

3739
04:12:42,280 --> 04:12:43,181
a post? It passes 5-0.

3740
04:12:43,181 --> 04:12:45,181
mr. Patterson?

3741
04:12:47,719 --> 04:12:50,622
sue necklace but requires us to announce when there

3742
04:12:50,622 --> 04:12:54,226
will be a second public hearing and that will be on

3743
04:12:54,226 --> 04:12:58,130
february 8 2022 at 6:30 pm there will be notice but it

3744
04:12:58,130 --> 04:13:00,650
does require us to announce it

3745
04:13:00,650 --> 04:13:06,271
>> if I may, that meeting is going to have a lot of

3746
04:13:06,271 --> 04:13:11,430
things on the agenda, is that the will of the

3747
04:13:11,430 --> 04:13:15,847
commission to start that meeting earlier so we can get

3748
04:13:15,847 --> 04:13:20,152
through the agenda items and not necessarily be here

3749
04:13:20,152 --> 04:13:25,857
until 11 at night because we are going to have seven or

3750
04:13:25,857 --> 04:13:31,129
eight items just with respect to the yacht club >> we

3751
04:13:31,129 --> 04:13:32,564
will have five.

3752
04:13:32,564 --> 04:13:35,167
>> and a few other items just from normal city

3753
04:13:35,167 --> 04:13:35,434
business?

3754
04:13:35,434 --> 04:13:39,137
sarah is the commission going to consider starting our

3755
04:13:39,137 --> 04:13:43,675
meeting a little bit earlier that night so we can get

3756
04:13:43,675 --> 04:13:48,246
through this because I am sure there's going to be some

3757
04:13:48,246 --> 04:13:52,350
questions as we go through the changes that have been

3758
04:13:52,350 --> 04:13:52,751
made.

3759
04:13:52,751 --> 04:13:54,653
>> so.

3760
04:13:54,653 --> 04:13:55,654
[indiscernible]

3761
04:13:55,654 --> 04:13:56,621
>> commissioners.

3762
04:13:56,621 --> 04:13:58,490
what time do we want to move it?

3763
04:13:58,490 --> 04:14:00,292
530? >> 530 is fine.

3764
04:14:00,292 --> 04:14:06,292
>> it has to be at least a minimum of 4 votes.

3765
04:14:09,000 --> 04:14:12,600
>> if there is no further discussion.

3766
04:14:14,439 --> 04:14:16,439
>> okay.

3767
04:14:18,510 --> 04:14:25,710
>> I will make a motion to move the time of the regular

3768
04:14:33,240 --> 04:14:37,224
city commission meeting on february 8, 2022 to 5:30 pm.

3769
04:14:44,202 --> 04:14:47,472
>> motion, I have a second, all in favor, please say

3770
04:14:47,472 --> 04:14:47,739
aye.

3771
04:14:47,739 --> 04:14:51,209
the vote passes 5-0 thank you mr. Patterson for your

3772
04:14:51,209 --> 04:14:52,944
extra vote on that one.

3773
04:14:52,944 --> 04:14:55,614
[laughter] >> your punishment is you have to sit through the rest

3774
04:14:55,614 --> 04:14:58,316
of the spring >> it is now 5:30 pm february 8.

3775
04:14:58,316 --> 04:15:01,820
>> and I'm sure it will be noticed in the proper

3776
04:15:01,820 --> 04:15:02,154
channels.

3777
04:15:02,154 --> 04:15:03,321
>> all right.

3778
04:15:03,321 --> 04:15:08,426
at this point we are moving on to agenda item 3.

3779
04:15:08,426 --> 04:15:13,226
which is a resolution approving the allocation of

3780
04:15:15,600 --> 04:15:19,200
response agreements with pharmaceutical companies and

3781
04:15:20,972 --> 04:15:23,372
proposing a nationwide settlement.

3782
04:15:24,509 --> 04:15:26,545
>> this is here for your consideration the deadline for

3783
04:15:26,545 --> 04:15:28,313
the settlement for those who want to participate the

3784
04:15:28,313 --> 04:15:30,348
end of this month the documents have been negotiated we

3785
04:15:30,348 --> 04:15:31,917
are ineligible to participate in the settlement there

3786
04:15:31,917 --> 04:15:33,318
are 2 different agreements one with pharmaceutical

3787
04:15:33,318 --> 04:15:35,120
companies and distributors and we are agreeing to the

3788
04:15:35,120 --> 04:15:36,521
settlement agreements which have been provided there

3789
04:15:36,521 --> 04:15:38,523
any funds you get after purposes going forward are not

3790
04:15:38,523 --> 04:15:40,325
to reimburse us for past expenses and although the

3791
04:15:40,325 --> 04:15:42,327
amounts we know the exact amount we don't know what

3792
04:15:42,327 --> 04:15:44,329
reporting would be the last information we got would be

3793
04:15:44,329 --> 04:15:46,932
about $8000 a year for 18 years and we can use that for

3794
04:15:46,932 --> 04:15:48,900
our own programs or I have been told through conference

3795
04:15:48,900 --> 04:15:50,702
calls with local attorneys that they may offer a

3796
04:15:50,702 --> 04:15:52,504
agreement where netsuite's here before you I'd be happy

3797
04:15:52,504 --> 04:15:54,904
to answer any questions.

3798
04:16:48,493 --> 04:16:52,693
>> the resolution authorizing the city of lighthouse

3799
04:16:58,903 --> 04:17:03,103
florida to approve the elocution's and will

3800
04:17:08,790 --> 04:17:10,790
participation agreements and.

3801
04:17:13,285 --> 04:17:15,685
[indiscernible] in effective date.

3802
04:17:16,254 --> 04:17:18,560
>> commissioner, discussion.

3803
04:17:18,560 --> 04:17:25,256
>> if this is too much if not hopefully it will be easy

3804
04:17:25,530 --> 04:17:31,303
enough can provide a lot of different services and it's

3805
04:17:31,303 --> 04:17:38,209
like a teenage issue is a full adult issue we see it

3806
04:17:38,209 --> 04:17:45,830
every day police and fire deal with it so I am in

3807
04:17:45,830 --> 04:17:47,830
support of this.

3808
04:17:47,886 --> 04:17:50,286
>> no opposition from me.

3809
04:17:55,627 --> 04:18:01,270
>> I will make a motion to pass the resolution.

3810
04:18:05,337 --> 04:18:09,537
resolution 2022 2412 asking the city to approve the

3811
04:18:15,380 --> 04:18:18,980
opioid allocation statewide response agreement for

3812
04:18:22,530 --> 04:18:24,453
pharmaceutical companies and distributors >>.

3813
04:18:27,625 --> 04:18:29,527
[indiscernible] all in favor please say aye.

3814
04:18:29,527 --> 04:18:31,463
the vote passes 5-0 perfect.

3815
04:18:31,463 --> 04:18:35,767
at this point in the evening, we have public comments

3816
04:18:35,767 --> 04:18:40,138
regarding any item or anything you would like to talk

3817
04:18:40,138 --> 04:18:44,442
about please state your name you have three minutes to

3818
04:18:44,442 --> 04:18:49,214
speak we will start with the people in person before we

3819
04:18:49,214 --> 04:18:53,985
move on to the virtual >> matt donahue 2820 ne. 39th

3820
04:18:53,985 --> 04:18:57,889
court I appreciate all of your hard work tonight

3821
04:18:57,889 --> 04:19:03,940
keeping me up two nights in a row past my bedtime with

3822
04:19:03,940 --> 04:19:06,531
the football game and now this exciting agenda.

3823
04:19:06,531 --> 04:19:10,101
commissioner I just want to go on record to say I'm

3824
04:19:10,101 --> 04:19:12,337
disappointed I am extremely disappointed we talked

3825
04:19:12,337 --> 04:19:15,874
about it for two years but you have your opinions and

3826
04:19:15,874 --> 04:19:19,411
your opinions are duly noted I am glad this got through

3827
04:19:19,411 --> 04:19:22,614
hopefully you can get it through in the next reading

3828
04:19:22,614 --> 04:19:25,517
and we can get this as soon as possible.

3829
04:19:25,517 --> 04:19:29,621
I keep hearing rumors about the property that might

3830
04:19:29,621 --> 04:19:34,192
have a hotel multi-I haven't seen anything I was just

3831
04:19:34,192 --> 04:19:38,263
curious when the next discussion on that might be

3832
04:19:38,263 --> 04:19:43,268
present going to planning and zoning it seems to be a

3833
04:19:43,268 --> 04:19:44,636
very enticing conversation.

3834
04:19:44,636 --> 04:19:45,603
to say the least.

3835
04:19:45,603 --> 04:19:49,803
so >> I heard about in the paper.

3836
04:19:52,677 --> 04:19:54,245
>> I have been hearing about it going around quite a

3837
04:19:54,245 --> 04:19:55,647
bit I heard the property was purchased and again it

3838
04:19:55,647 --> 04:19:57,480
goes back to the same conversation where they want to

3839
04:19:57,480 --> 04:19:58,349
hold him accountable for buying a piece of property

3840
04:19:58,349 --> 04:19:59,884
that was not zoned but this is going to go through

3841
04:19:59,884 --> 04:20:01,286
based on discussions but nobody has heard about it and

3842
04:20:01,286 --> 04:20:02,687
nobody has seen that and I keep hearing about mr.

3843
04:20:02,687 --> 04:20:03,988
patterson's funding and how much funding he needs to

3844
04:20:03,988 --> 04:20:05,657
have for a nature preserve I hope we put as much effort

3845
04:20:05,657 --> 04:20:07,192
it to knowing the kind of funny that person had for

3846
04:20:07,192 --> 04:20:08,493
that property where the funding is they had these

3847
04:20:08,493 --> 04:20:09,594
opportunities, the city administrator said the city

3848
04:20:09,594 --> 04:20:11,162
had given them the blessing to move forward and we are

3849
04:20:11,162 --> 04:20:12,697
still sitting there and funding I was told was an issue

3850
04:20:12,697 --> 04:20:14,132
where is the consistency of these issues so I would

3851
04:20:14,132 --> 04:20:15,700
love to hear what's going on with the hotel because I

3852
04:20:15,700 --> 04:20:17,368
know it's a concern as you mentioned and I know you are

3853
04:20:17,368 --> 04:20:18,803
concerned but I don't want a hotel sitting right there

3854
04:20:18,803 --> 04:20:20,205
and I'm sure people that live in those apartments don't

3855
04:20:20,205 --> 04:20:25,605
want the hotel right there so where's the discussion?

3856
04:21:14,993 --> 04:21:17,862
>> we're going to have a little discussion.

3857
04:21:17,862 --> 04:21:21,332
>> so they are in the process they have had a couple of

3858
04:21:21,332 --> 04:21:22,634
submittals >> is that zoned?

3859
04:21:22,634 --> 04:21:26,370
>> I can't remember it's going through the process they

3860
04:21:26,370 --> 04:21:29,841
are pretty much through that they would go to the board

3861
04:21:29,841 --> 04:21:33,244
and then planning and zoning so it's in process right

3862
04:21:33,244 --> 04:21:36,140
now >> how many residents know about this?

3863
04:21:36,140 --> 04:21:41,414
again, we are so concerned about residents and lights,

3864
04:21:45,557 --> 04:21:51,557
but all of those people that are living in those

3865
04:21:55,166 --> 04:21:57,566
apartments do they know?

3866
04:21:59,971 --> 04:22:08,371
>> they do now? Nobody up here knows >> obviously you know I haven't seen anything. >>.

3867
04:22:08,780 --> 04:22:11,249
[indiscernible] how quickly these things go and is

3868
04:22:11,249 --> 04:22:13,685
extremely concerning because again we want to hold

3869
04:22:13,685 --> 04:22:17,880
everybody's feet to the fire sorry but we want to hold

3870
04:22:17,880 --> 04:22:19,857
everybody's feet to the fire but these things go

3871
04:22:19,857 --> 04:22:22,260
through and it is what it is.

3872
04:22:22,260 --> 04:22:22,994
we didn't see it.

3873
04:22:22,994 --> 04:22:25,229
that's the answer that I get.

3874
04:22:25,229 --> 04:22:29,767
we didn't see it, it didn't come before it should.

3875
04:22:29,767 --> 04:22:36,367
>> I first noticed it because I look at the city online

3876
04:22:41,813 --> 04:22:47,813
website and I saw the drc notice for the property

3877
04:22:51,823 --> 04:22:59,230
located at >> we have never had a hotel as far as I

3878
04:23:04,836 --> 04:23:10,836
know and obviously it comes back down to that is

3879
04:23:14,846 --> 04:23:20,246
something I don't believe I personally ever thought I

3880
04:23:23,888 --> 04:23:30,488
but want to see here but if the commissioner knew about

3881
04:23:34,899 --> 04:23:40,299
it and is informing residents I wish we obviously

3882
04:23:43,941 --> 04:23:49,341
would've had some information to say by the way.

3883
04:23:52,950 --> 04:23:55,420
he could have said all along.

3884
04:23:55,420 --> 04:24:01,292
>> he did not know and what I heard, is that they had

3885
04:24:01,292 --> 04:24:05,329
made an original application it was indicated that it

3886
04:24:05,329 --> 04:24:09,367
was wholly inappropriate for the site when they came

3887
04:24:09,367 --> 04:24:14,338
back with a revised one and it makes a much bigger

3888
04:24:14,338 --> 04:24:19,310
question in my opinion and what they can do is talk

3889
04:24:19,310 --> 04:24:24,215
about the master plan and the strategic plan in one of

3890
04:24:24,215 --> 04:24:28,753
the things we are considering only get past all this

3891
04:24:28,753 --> 04:24:34,158
the one thing I was going to bring up at that meeting

3892
04:24:34,158 --> 04:24:38,663
is looking at the zoning on the federal highway and

3893
04:24:38,663 --> 04:24:42,700
shaping it and looking at it and zoning those

3894
04:24:42,700 --> 04:24:47,638
properties in a way that we believe is in the best

3895
04:24:47,638 --> 04:24:51,709
interest of lighthouse point because if it's now are

3896
04:24:51,709 --> 04:24:55,346
doing the next it's clear there's development coming

3897
04:24:55,346 --> 04:24:59,817
from the north and from the south and eventually it's

3898
04:24:59,817 --> 04:25:04,322
going to be here and >> that ship has sailed.

3899
04:25:04,322 --> 04:25:06,722
I think it's here.

3900
04:25:07,191 --> 04:25:09,393
>> you never know even in the future.

3901
04:25:09,393 --> 04:25:13,431
>> and I think the issue is we look at things and say

3902
04:25:13,431 --> 04:25:16,567
it's bust or broom and quite honestly, it's just going

3903
04:25:16,567 --> 04:25:19,704
at the fact is we have older properties and commercial

3904
04:25:19,704 --> 04:25:22,807
properties at us one that are very difficult because of

3905
04:25:22,807 --> 04:25:25,943
parking and other things to redevelop and if we can

3906
04:25:25,943 --> 04:25:28,780
look at that from a zoning perspective from a

3907
04:25:28,780 --> 04:25:32,183
commercial overlay to see if we can bring in the kind

3908
04:25:32,183 --> 04:25:35,319
of businesses that we want to not use car dealerships

3909
04:25:35,319 --> 04:25:40,719
or hotels that are maybe not a good fit.

3910
04:25:52,570 --> 04:25:56,700
that is something that we probably need to renew as

3911
04:25:56,700 --> 04:25:58,376
part of that master plan strategic planning

3912
04:25:58,376 --> 04:26:03,981
>> synnex only thing I would alert you but our city

3913
04:26:03,981 --> 04:26:09,530
attorney can alert you of we are zoned for certain

3914
04:26:09,530 --> 04:26:11,589
things you're looking at litigation.

3915
04:26:11,589 --> 04:26:17,610
soon as that ship has sailed the point is that I think

3916
04:26:17,610 --> 04:26:22,567
I am 100 percent in agreement I want to know not so

3917
04:26:22,567 --> 04:26:27,104
much what happens here but the properties that we have

3918
04:26:27,104 --> 04:26:31,676
met people say selling cars online now are doing this

3919
04:26:31,676 --> 04:26:35,346
and we are continuously having different things coming

3920
04:26:35,346 --> 04:26:41,946
in front of us staff to be cognizant of legal issues.

3921
04:26:50,928 --> 04:26:53,531
>> this would be moving forward and it's for the new

3922
04:26:53,531 --> 04:26:53,798
development

3923
04:26:53,798 --> 04:26:57,998
>> just because we don't like something >> we're

3924
04:26:58,870 --> 04:27:02,273
talking about the redevelopment and opportunities

3925
04:27:02,273 --> 04:27:07,945
because if you look at the history they basically have

3926
04:27:07,945 --> 04:27:14,151
a lot more space in front of most of the buildings

3927
04:27:14,151 --> 04:27:18,689
until the expansion of federal highway and the

3928
04:27:18,689 --> 04:27:24,890
installation of sidewalks >> we lost a lot on the

3929
04:27:24,362 --> 04:27:30,340
southern and and the shopping center you can see where

3930
04:27:30,340 --> 04:27:36,807
the oven is and the optometry and there used to be a

3931
04:27:36,807 --> 04:27:43,140
full parking lot right there and as you head north you

3932
04:27:43,140 --> 04:27:47,551
see the buildings there and these are things

3933
04:27:47,551 --> 04:27:52,556
>> there used to be a beautiful landscape area and

3934
04:27:52,556 --> 04:27:57,280
that's not even that old overbuilding and overall we

3935
04:27:57,280 --> 04:28:02,330
have to start looking at how our parking has been

3936
04:28:02,330 --> 04:28:06,537
trying to align so there is a possible redevelopment

3937
04:28:06,537 --> 04:28:11,509
and park sharing >> going back to this property the

3938
04:28:11,509 --> 04:28:16,514
4060 property and that is one of the most liberal

3939
04:28:16,514 --> 04:28:20,985
zoning districts and hotels are permitted and to echo

3940
04:28:20,985 --> 04:28:25,489
earl's comments it's very difficult to take away the

3941
04:28:25,489 --> 04:28:29,493
right that a property has without getting into

3942
04:28:29,493 --> 04:28:34,498
litigation and I am sure mr. Cirillo can expand on

3943
04:28:34,498 --> 04:28:39,971
cities that have tried to do that and the problems they

3944
04:28:39,971 --> 04:28:41,971
have had.

3945
04:28:46,711 --> 04:28:53,311
>> I think we need to allow this thing to progress the

3946
04:28:57,254 --> 04:28:59,654
public notices and whatnot.

3947
04:29:00,758 --> 04:29:03,427
>> any other person want to come forward and speak

3948
04:29:03,427 --> 04:29:05,563
before we move on to the virtual space?

3949
04:29:05,563 --> 04:29:08,933
>> everett marshall 2821 ne. 44th street two things,

3950
04:29:08,933 --> 04:29:12,670
the last meeting I was here I commented about the

3951
04:29:12,670 --> 04:29:16,400
wonderful response that I got for the police department

3952
04:29:16,400 --> 04:29:20,511
so now I have to give the fire chief his dues because

3953
04:29:20,511 --> 04:29:24,648
the paramedics had to come to my mother's home and they

3954
04:29:24,648 --> 04:29:29,120
did a fantastic job the lady didn't want to go to the

3955
04:29:29,120 --> 04:29:32,857
hospital but they talked her into it which was perfect

3956
04:29:32,857 --> 04:29:35,257
and everything is fine.

3957
04:29:45,936 --> 04:29:47,936
she is home.

3958
04:29:48,572 --> 04:29:48,606
I appreciate that and if you're still here, thank you

3959
04:29:48,606 --> 04:29:48,639
very much for your people and the other thing is this

3960
04:29:48,639 --> 04:29:48,672
property on federal highway were just talking about the

3961
04:29:48,672 --> 04:29:48,706
hotel about I would say probably when I first started

3962
04:29:48,706 --> 04:29:48,739
coming to these meetings, someone wanted to put a self

3963
04:29:48,739 --> 04:29:48,773
storage unit there and it was combined for whatever

3964
04:29:48,773 --> 04:29:48,839
reason, I have no idea but the fellow was going to put

3965
04:29:48,839 --> 04:29:48,873
some storage unit and he agreed that he would make it

3966
04:29:48,873 --> 04:29:48,906
look like a hotel or a building the front of the

3967
04:29:48,906 --> 04:29:48,939
building was going to be commercial and the storage was

3968
04:29:48,939 --> 04:29:48,973
not going to be sheds it was going to be a building and

3969
04:29:48,973 --> 04:29:49,600
it wasn't zoned for that I think was the reason but we

3970
04:29:49,600 --> 04:29:49,400
changed zones for different things all the time that

3971
04:29:49,400 --> 04:29:50,700
would not have ever put any stress on any of our police

3972
04:29:50,700 --> 04:29:53,811
or fire that a hotel potentially could.

3973
04:29:53,811 --> 04:29:58,416
wouldn't that've been better planning to try to

3974
04:29:58,416 --> 04:30:01,000
negotiate to be able to change something to get a...