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thank you

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also order the regular council meeting

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uh Tuesday January 17

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2023. Missouri public input

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we'll see you okay

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hello Johannes here with the little Lord

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chamber Happy New Year to everyone

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um I wanted to just make a couple

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comments today about some of the agenda

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items

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um and I look forward to a great

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discussion

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um first uh the municipal objectives

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congratulations looked fantastic

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um I look I look forward to to see some

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of these action items over the coming

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years I'm very excited and I think that

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was that is really well done

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um so just wanted to make a note on that

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um also on agenda item 11.5 that's the

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report on the stock work orders that do

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not occupy for development in town

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um I just wanted to also say thank you

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for issuing that report it's really

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helpful

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um I've certainly put it in the chamber

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files

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um and I'm gonna be uh chatting with

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some people about this and I'll report

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on a good discussion as well it's really

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good to have something like this so just

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wanted to sort of commend everyone

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support for creating this

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um and then the lastly I wanted to make

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a comment on this letter from the cfib

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so that's the Canadian Federation of

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Independent businesses

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um this is something that came up during

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our last Network call with the Obesity

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Chamber of Commerce and unfortunately I

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just wanted to sort of highlight here

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that the phrasing that they're using in

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this letter is is a bit unfortunate they

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call themselves the largest non-profit

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non-partisan organization exclusively

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representing the interests small

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medium-sized independent businesses at

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all levels of government and that's uh

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and that's something we we discussed and

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I sort of just want to highlight that

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that's not true

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um there are other organizations like

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the BC Chamber of Commerce and the

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Canadian Chamber of Commerce that do

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exactly uh or do similar work to the to

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the Canadian Federation of Independent

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businesses and um while the BC chamber

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which is a decentralized Association of

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100 chambers of Commerce in BC is is not

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as often in the news and a little more

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quieter I think they work that they do

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um it's really helpful for me as a local

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chamber here and uh and and and for for

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the other Chambers in this province as

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well so I just kind of wanted to

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highlight this we didn't send out a

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fancy letter but uh but it it irked um

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we have a network call every two weeks

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with 100 Chambers in BC and it does a

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little bit that that was the language

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that was chosen so um just wanted to

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mention those three things I'm looking

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forward to a great meeting thank you

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any further public interest

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paying none I will move to 3.1 and I

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have a motion that the January 17 2023

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regular council meeting agenda be

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adopted

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counselor leave second by councilor the

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group

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all in favor

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okay uh delegation we all recently

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received our tax assessment in the mail

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we have a delegation tonight from BC

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assessment Authority

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Mr Taylor is that on the line thank you

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Tracy if you want to unmute

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hi there thanks for having me I am just

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going to share my screen here if I can

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uh two minutes sorry

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Tracy I can pull it up here okay

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I see what you have

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managed to get it just stuck on

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the page here so there we

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all right so I will just start by saying

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that uh thank you for having me and I am

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on the traditional territories of the

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Shrek Nation

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um and my name is Tracy shimko and I'm

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with BC assessment I am the acting

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assessor for the Thompson Okanagan

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region

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um and I will be presenting today uh

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about BC assessment our evaluation

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classification and exemptions our

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assessment cycle key dates relationships

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between assessments and taxes the 2023

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assessment rule overview our appeal

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process and collaboration with BC

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assessment

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so who we are BC assessment was

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established in 1974 under the assessment

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Authority Act we were established in

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response to the need for a fair

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independent organization that valued all

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properties in the province a provincial

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Crown Corporation with independent

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taxing Authority was established in that

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specie assessment as we know it today

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the value of all real estate is on an

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annual basis on the provincial role and

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it provides the foundation for local and

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provincial taxing authorities to finance

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communities with billions of dollars of

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property tax revenue

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our assessment role is annual and we and

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it does provide stability predictability

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and a base for all really property

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taxation in British Columbia this

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represents 2.16 million properties with

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a total value of over 2.72 trillion

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dollars provincially it identifies

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ownership value classification exemption

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status if any for each property in the

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province it provides a stable base for

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local governments and taxing authorities

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to raise billions of dollars annually in

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property taxes for schools and local

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services

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BC assessment does have a commitment to

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all British Columbians our vision is to

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provide a dynamic and reliable

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assessment service

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that supports strong and vibrant

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communities in British Columbia our

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mission is to create uniform assessments

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and trusted property information and we

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do have a an extensive customer service

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commitment as well we provide open and

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transparent data fair and accurate

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assessments timely and accessible

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assessments and we're knowledgeable and

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respectful and we're Innovative and

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collaborative

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our partners are Property Owners those

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include residential non-residential

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market and non-market owners we are

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partners with local governments and

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Indigenous Nations and we're also

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partners with the provincial government

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and we do fall under the Ministry of

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Finance under honorable Catherine Conroy

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how we value different properties we

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have residential industrial commercial

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and investment and legislative

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previous year we use a October 31st

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physical condition and permitted use

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and when we look at Value we consider

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present use location physical factors

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the cost to replace revenue and Rental

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and comparable land and improvements for

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legislative values we use prescribed

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rates and cost manuals that are set

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formulas and rules and principles for

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the calculation of properties such as

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the foundation of market value is really

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a highest and best use it looks at what

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is the reasonable probable use of a

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legally permissible financially feasible

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and maximally productive what that means

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is that when we look at the physical

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possibility we look at what are the

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constraints what how much can you build

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and then we look to Legal permissibility

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so what is the zoning are there any land

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use controls restrictive covenants that

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sort of thing and then we look to the

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financial feasibility so what would

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generate the biggest return

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look at what would be the highest or

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most maximally productive use of that

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communities are changing and land uses

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do affect market value so local

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governments develop ocps and change

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which results in zoning changes and that

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in in effect makes Redevelopment occur

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and then there's market demand for that

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an assessment that changes over time

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based on those land use of controls

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uh how we classify properties there are

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nine property classes that we use and we

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apply this is a property class

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regulation that's prescribed by the

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government we have residential property

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class which is our biggest property

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class followed by uh class six which is

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business and other and then class five

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light industrial and then we have major

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industry utilities Supportive Housing

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exemptions to properties which really

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means that we release a property owner

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from paying all or a portion of those

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taxes there are four major exemptions

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that are applied permissive exemptions

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exemptions and ALR exemptions statutory

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and ALR exemptions are automatically

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applied by BC assessment but we do use

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the Community Charter that gives us the

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legislative policies that set out those

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exemptions and then permissive

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exemptions and revitalization exemptions

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are given to BC assessment by the local

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taxing Authority and those are granted

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through bylaws each year

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our assessment cycle is very uh stable

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so January 1st to 31st we have inquiry

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period what that really means is

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Property Owners get their assessment

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they can call BC assessment and they can

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inquire about how their assessment was

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um how we came up with the assessed

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value and if they choose to dispute

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their assessment they can appeal their

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assessment by January 31st February 1st

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to March 31st is the hearing period so

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if a person does choose to appeal their

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assessment they will attend a part

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hearing and those that typically is

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February 1st to March 15th and then by

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March 17th we have any revisions keyed

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so that we can provide municipalities

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with a revised role by April 7th

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April 1st to September 30th is where we

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do most of our work on new construction

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we look at sales we also have our PAB

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deadline which is the second level of

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appeal and that's April 30th and we're

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also looking at what's transacting in

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the in the market for the July 1st

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um and then October 1st to December 31st

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is when we review any properties for

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physical condition and permitted use we

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also reflect ownership as of November

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30th and we're setting the role so that

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we can provide assessment notices in the

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so how what is the relationship between

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assessment and taxes so you get your

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assessed value and that's multiplied by

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the property tax rate which is set in

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the spring by taxing authorities that

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number is divided by a thousand and

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that's the property taxes that you owe

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a lot of people are concerned about

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increases in their assessment and how

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that might impact

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their property taxes it isn't typically

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a one-to-one ratio so essentially what

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happens is that if you if your property

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changes in value above or below the

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average change for your property class

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you may see a decrease or increase or if

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you have if you're at the average change

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you likely won't see much of a tax

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increase at all

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our assessment role overview so for 2023

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the total increase from 2022 on the

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provincial role was 12 increase that

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represents a 2.72 trillion dollar amount

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in value

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we had a decrease in the total amount of

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non-market change or new construction

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that we added So eventually we added

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33.52 billion dollars

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and then our residential value increased

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which is class 1 to 2.1 trillion dollar

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which represented a 77 increase the

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total properties assessed for 2023 went

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up one percent to 2.16 million

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properties

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for lillouette we have uh an increase of

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8.5 percent in total value so the total

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assessed value for the lillouette roll

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is 637 million dollars we had a drop in

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non-market change so we almost thought

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we almost collected less or we collected

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almost less than half of what we did

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last year

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um with 3.8 million dollars of new

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construction added to the roll that was

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primarily residential and that was

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fairly stable year to year it was uh the

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commercial and Recreation nonprofit

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where we saw some substantial building

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in 2022 but not in 2023

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for residential value you're at 460

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million dollars which represents 86.9

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percent of your role and the total folio

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count didn't change year over year

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you're still at 1458 properties

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for the completed role we're showing

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single-family residential the typical

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change is between 10 and 20 percent for

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strata residential it's 15 to 25 percent

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and for commercial and Industrial

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properties that are done on Market rates

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it's 10 to 20 percent

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the appeal process so as I mentioned

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before right now we're in inquiry period

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we have owners that contact VC

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assessment if they have questions and

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they have the ability to appeal their

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assessment by January 31st at that time

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there's an independent review which is

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called the property assessment review

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panel these are telephone

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um

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panels where the property owner and BC

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assessment upload data to a government

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website that is a third-party or a

359
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neutral parting site and we share

360
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information and then the panel reviews

361
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all of the information and makes a

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decision February 2nd to March 15th is

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when those hearings occur and by April

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30th is the deadline for the second

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level of appeal if a property owner

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isn't satisfied with the first level of

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appeal and that's April 30th

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the rule acceptance so what this means

369
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is how many properties appeal each year

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so as you can see the two light blue

371
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lines are the province and Kamloops

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which Trend pretty closely lillouette is

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a little bit more volatile given that it

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is a smaller community and is more

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impacted by change however your role

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acceptance is always between 97 and 100

377
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so that that's actually a nice tight

378
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number which means that your total value

379
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roll value isn't changing much so that

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leads to the role the completed role to

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the revised role or how stable Your Role

382
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is and it sort of translates the same as

383
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the acceptance rate so in 2020 we had a

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high appeal level so we did lose a

385
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little bit more off the roll through

386
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those appeals but typically for

387
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lillouette you're not losing very much

388
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between the completed role in the

389
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revised role

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uh collaborating with BC assessment

391
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so it is our mandate to collaborate and

392
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make sure we're we're doing everything

393
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that we can to inform British Columbians

394
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across the province we believe in

395
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sharing information and working together

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with local governments so that we can

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have those Fair Equitable property

398
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assessments we can maintain a stable and

399
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predictable assessment role we can

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optimize property tax levies and

401
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collecting by taxing authorities and we

402
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can increase citizen awareness of

403
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property assessment and Taxation and how

404
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we do that

405
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um the taxing Authority information

406
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sharing we have a Citrix share file that

407
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luluep participates in that's how we

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receive building permits

409
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um we also can accept address changes

410
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building plans land use control

411
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amendments development applications

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permissive and revitalization exemptions

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and occupiers and leases of Civic

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properties through this Citrix share

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file system

416
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VC assessment has an excellent website

417
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you can look at any property throughout

418
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the province through assessment search

419
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this allows property owners and really

420
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anybody in British Columbia who's

421
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interested in real estate to look at how

422
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values are

423
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um how properties are valued through BC

424
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assessment we also have interactive

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Trend maps and services for governments

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and Indigenous relations on our website

427
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in addition to this there's uh also the

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government.bc.ca website which gives

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property owners and municipalities

430
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information on the part process the pad

431
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process the homeowner's ground Grant and

432
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the property tax deferral program

433
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any questions

434
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you also have any questions

435
00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:33,840
okay well thank you very much for your

436
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,539
delegation appreciate it

437
00:19:36,539 --> 00:19:38,400
thank you well enjoy the rest of your

438
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evening

439
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thank you

440
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:49,070
bye-bye

441
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,380
okay so let's go into

442
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5.1 the public hearing for bylaw number

443
00:19:54,299 --> 00:19:59,090
2022-017

444
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,919
is public hearing is being convened

445
00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:03,900
pursuant to section divorce explorers

446
00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:06,059
The Local Government Act to consider

447
00:20:06,059 --> 00:20:08,400
proposed District of Lulu at bylaw

448
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,810
number 2022-017

449
00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:13,620
the proposed bylaws and related

450
00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:15,900
information including written comments

451
00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:18,840
received to date if any is available as

452
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,600
part of the agenda package for review at

453
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this public hearing all persons wishing

454
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,340
to speak will be given an opportunity to

455
00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:27,240
be heard

456
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,400
however I asked that

457
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,559
all who speak at this meeting respect

458
00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:33,240
their remarks to the matters contained

459
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,460
in the bylaw those wishing to speak at

460
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:37,679
the public hearing commence a remarks by

461
00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:39,480
stating their name

462
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,280
and that the written comments be

463
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,900
submitted to the South table before

464
00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:45,720
closure of this public hearing

465
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,299
I asked the director of corporate and

466
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development services

467
00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:57,409
the suffix of the proposed bylaw please

468
00:20:57,419 --> 00:20:59,780
thank you mad at Matt is that

469
00:20:59,780 --> 00:21:02,580
22-002 is a site-specific resulting

470
00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:04,799
applications at home to the Spheres of

471
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:07,140
committed accessory use on the property

472
00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:11,100
at 175 seriously wrote site-specific

473
00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:12,960
zoning is a way of addressing contextual

474
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aspects specific properties and giving

475
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residents the option to apply to

476
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consider uses based on these contextual

477
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,640
realities while still having

478
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,340
standardized framework of sounding

479
00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:25,140
in this case the definition of home

480
00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:27,780
industry being proposed to add to the

481
00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:31,080
biopath which means an occupation or use

482
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,120
that is accessory to the principle of

483
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,340
residential use of the parsec and may

484
00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:37,320
include manufacturing processing

485
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,860
fabricating assembly Distributing

486
00:21:39,860 --> 00:21:42,120
servicing or repairing of goods or

487
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materials including vehicle repair

488
00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:46,200
maintenance and auto body shops similar

489
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,820
uses

490
00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:50,700
home industry should be considered a

491
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more intensive style of palm occupation

492
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which is generally only proposed on

493
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larger rural residential or large

494
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building style bonds

495
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,220
Sapphire however proposing to Fetter the

496
00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:03,900
definition of this amendment by living

497
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by limiting the home industry to

498
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,820
automobile repair Maintenance and

499
00:22:08,820 --> 00:22:11,159
Service and out of body shop and the

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ancillary retail sale of related parts

501
00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,440
and accessories and for greater Clarity

502
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,480
the sale of vehicles would not be

503
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permitted this will ensure that on this

504
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lot which is not a hectare which is good

505
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practice for the permanent home industry

506
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,039
does not involve beyond what is already

507
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in existence and what council and the

508
00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:32,700
neighborhood is considering as part of

509
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its application state

510
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I have any Rich submissions been

511
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received since the agenda has been

512
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published

513
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Senator mayor of five written

514
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submissions have been received and they

515
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are on the yellow paper that's been

516
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experience

517
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I declare this

518
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at this time

519
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I ask if there's anyone who wishes to

520
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,320
speak to the proposed bylaws

521
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,659
and after you've spoken once I would ask

522
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that you wait until all other members of

523
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the public have had the opportunity to

524
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be hurried before speaking a second time

525
00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:18,659
so please stand that the last turn to

526
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speak

527
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for a second kind is there anyone who

528
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,500
wishes to speak further to the proposed

529
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bylaw

530
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,179
for our third and final time is there

531
00:23:42,179 --> 00:23:44,100
anyone who wishes to speak further to

532
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:51,350
the proposed by law

533
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,159
hearing none I declare the public

534
00:23:53,159 --> 00:23:55,380
hearing post

535
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:57,659
would someone like to move the motion

536
00:23:57,659 --> 00:24:00,299
that all written and verbal submissions

537
00:24:00,299 --> 00:24:03,260
regarding by law number

538
00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:06,320
2022-017 up to and including January 17

539
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,240
2023 be received another public hearing

540
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,919
be closed at

541
00:24:10,919 --> 00:24:12,900
five

542
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23 pm

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counselor plan seconded by councilor we

544
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,020
all in favor

545
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:23,760
motion carry

546
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,990
and we return

547
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,740
tips platform and Adoption of the

548
00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:33,419
council meeting minutes will someone

549
00:24:33,419 --> 00:24:35,880
please move that then December 6 2022

550
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,860
regular council meeting minutes be

551
00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:40,380
adopted as presented

552
00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:42,900
Council are we expecting by not Florida

553
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:45,120
all in favor

554
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,370
Ed

555
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:51,480
is there any business arriving from them

556
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,830
with minutes

557
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,370
any Verizon report

558
00:24:58,380 --> 00:25:02,659
thing none correspondence and petitions

559
00:25:02,659 --> 00:25:05,100
uh I asked does anyone wish to remove

560
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,500
one or more of the four correspondence

561
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,720
items under 9.1 of the agenda please

562
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,580
raise your hand

563
00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:13,559
counselor clown

564
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:17,460
um can we move the alc welcome to

565
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:21,059
council to uh the business

566
00:25:21,059 --> 00:25:26,570
number three number three

567
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bring that to

568
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so 17.

569
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any further ones

570
00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:47,700
okay and then I thought somebody moved

571
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:48,900
that the

572
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:51,000
rest of the courts wanted to put it in

573
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,799
the information reported due to January

574
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,740
13th we've received for information

575
00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:57,960
that's like the Bruins second you know

576
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,029
Fair week on paper

577
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,799
number 10 reports from Committees of

578
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,320
council and submissions and depending

579
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:14,390
economics

580
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,159
11. reports and presentations about

581
00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:19,340
staff

582
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:27,890
Community basketball partnership

583
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,779
thank you madam Mayor Johnson Council uh

584
00:26:30,779 --> 00:26:33,480
yes the purpose of this is to assist the

585
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,400
Lowell apprenticeship Center society's

586
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,260
building communities through arts and

587
00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:38,760
the Heritage Grant applications the

588
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,740
government of Canada under the local

589
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:42,779
festivals components

590
00:26:42,779 --> 00:26:46,440
under that components there is the

591
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,720
opportunity to receive 100 of all the

592
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,460
eligible expenses up to a maximum of

593
00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:51,980
fifty thousand dollars without

594
00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:54,900
contributions with contributions that

595
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,220
could be extended up to two hundred

596
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,380
thousand dollars to present the work of

597
00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:00,539
local artists Artisans or Heritage

598
00:27:00,539 --> 00:27:03,179
performers arguably involved members of

599
00:27:03,179 --> 00:27:05,220
the local community and are intended for

600
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,799
and accessible to the general public the

601
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,080
society's Financial plans are allowing

602
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,600
for twenty thousand dollars per day so a

603
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,159
total budget of sixty thousand dollars

604
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,799
over their post three day events

605
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,260
variable they are requiring ten thousand

606
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,240
dollars in contributions for the little

607
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,779
Fest 2023 to be able to complete their

608
00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:28,919
uh intended or their anti-grant

609
00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:31,020
with this proposal

610
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,120
of the

611
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:39,059
District partnering with the society our contribution would

612
00:27:39,059 --> 00:27:42,720
be roughly 10 or 1 000 and 10 which is

613
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,640
about ten percent of what they needed in

614
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,580
addition to reach that goal of sixty

615
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:49,919
thousand dollars put their with their

616
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:51,380
Grant proposal

617
00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:54,299
this also we have a district Community

618
00:27:54,299 --> 00:27:57,299
Grant policy ad00

619
00:27:57,299 --> 00:28:00,840
4 delineates the financial or in-kind

620
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,760
support that the district provides third

621
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,100
parties uh such the support is only

622
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,020
provided to renewable Community Fund

623
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,820
that was established by the district for

624
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,500
this purpose however when the district

625
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:12,720
itself is a formal partner which is what

626
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,700
we're proposing for this within third

627
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,440
party to support a specific Community

628
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,760
initiative the alliance with the

629
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,620
district's own already budget activities

630
00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:22,500
which we do have we annually budget

631
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,820
about fifteen thousand dollars for

632
00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:26,279
community events this policy does not

633
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:27,720
apply to the district's portion of the

634
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,640
activities

635
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,919
so while the financial impacts the

636
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:34,440
district would appear to be that one

637
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,880
thousand and ten dollars and lost

638
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,080
revenues the opportunity to be decided

639
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,700
to gain an extra six thousand dollars

640
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,559
for the community as a whole is seen as

641
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,779
a women

642
00:28:45,779 --> 00:28:48,240
and as such we are recommending that we

643
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,740
move the motion to work that was

644
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:51,659
recommended by staff

645
00:28:51,659 --> 00:28:55,080
to partner okay let's not be authorized

646
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,279
to partner with political friendship

647
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,200
Center society and posting little Fest

648
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,539
Community Festival on rec center field

649
00:29:00,539 --> 00:29:03,659
from September 28th to October 1st 2023

650
00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:05,940
and a staff you authorized to classify

651
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,500
the rec center field ritual for this

652
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,120
event as a recreation department

653
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,159
activity with no charge as for

654
00:29:11,159 --> 00:29:14,039
Recreation services bylog 2019 number

655
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:15,600
467.

656
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:27,049
thank you any questions

657
00:29:27,059 --> 00:29:29,340
okay so didn't I have somebody moved

658
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:30,779
that the staff be authorized part number

659
00:29:30,779 --> 00:29:35,039
below that friendship Center as written

660
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,799
because where we second

661
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,380
outside of the room on favorite

662
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:44,510
question card thank you

663
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:50,580
okay 2022 Financial plans amendments uh

664
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:55,490
foreign

665
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,240
yes thank you through the mayor I'll

666
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,940
make this short and sweet this is uh the

667
00:29:59,940 --> 00:30:01,740
financial plan amendments that Council

668
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:05,279
gave first three readings to at uh the

669
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,279
previous council meeting excuse me and

670
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,620
staff are recommending that Council move

671
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:13,440
it through to adoption

672
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,080
um again there's no net impact to the

673
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,480
district's Surplus for 2022 as a result

674
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,000
of any of these amendments

675
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,460
um so we do recommend that Council adopt

676
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:26,810
the bylaw

677
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:29,820
important sweetie thank you

678
00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:32,100
so I think anybody have any questions

679
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:36,830
for her staff

680
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,120
being none unless somebody makes a

681
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,480
motion and also read second by counselor

682
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,549
de Bruin all in favor

683
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:55,430
yeah 11.3 2023 2024 Municipal objectives

684
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,059
um

685
00:30:57,059 --> 00:31:01,310
but

686
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,020
um I know you've all been through this a

687
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:07,260
couple workshops so very briefly just to

688
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:09,480
remind everyone

689
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,620
um

690
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,720
especially for a new Council but at

691
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,380
least every couple of years Council does

692
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:18,360
need to just for best practices for

693
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640
operation for municipalities but also if

694
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,140
you need legislative requirements

695
00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:24,779
Council needs to have the goals and

696
00:31:24,779 --> 00:31:26,340
objectives that are measurable and

697
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:28,620
reportable and those actually go into

698
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:30,720
the annual report that's prepared by

699
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,779
staff by manager CNN

700
00:31:33,779 --> 00:31:36,299
um but in these are environments were

701
00:31:36,299 --> 00:31:38,460
well functioning

702
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:41,700
and so on November 26th Council went

703
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,620
through a pretty intense small leader

704
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:45,360
workshops which I'm sure you remember

705
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080
every Last Detail it's fun

706
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,419
and so we reviewed as a group with

707
00:31:51,419 --> 00:31:53,220
senior staff and Council the Mission

708
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:56,159
Vision and the values

709
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,500
conversations are really good some

710
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:02,169
surprises even for staff because

711
00:32:02,179 --> 00:32:04,020
reconsideration of council been

712
00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:06,539
unthought for the meetings on

713
00:32:06,539 --> 00:32:08,399
um and there's quite a lot of discussion

714
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:09,480
about

715
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880
all the goals Council wanted to do which

716
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,220
there are many employees now Common

717
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:16,500
Ground I think

718
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,860
Council has to buy big goals that causes

719
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,620
they're supposed to focus on for the

720
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:24,360
coming years

721
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,840
under those five goals staff then worked

722
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,940
a team and brought back to a closed

723
00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:35,580
session previously uh objectives so the actual strategic on the ground

724
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,080
things that Stafford wanting to do

725
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,720
projects and such to make sure that the

726
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120
goals actually that realized over the

727
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,039
coming years it's one thing to have a

728
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,659
lot the goals and other to actually take

729
00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:48,120
actions to achieve those goals

730
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,140
so attached to this report is a fancy

731
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:55,320
colorful chart showing the five dolls

732
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,899
and some strategic objectives that were

733
00:32:57,899 --> 00:32:59,279
identified

734
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,740
to be measured reported on a regular

735
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:03,720
basis and plans to perform these every

736
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,039
quarter

737
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,919
four times a year we will ask that be

738
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:09,600
reporting on the progress for making a

739
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,620
limited base

740
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:12,539
but you know if we get them done sooner

741
00:33:12,539 --> 00:33:15,659
or if there's delays for any reason

742
00:33:15,659 --> 00:33:17,940
and then as well towards the end of the

743
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:19,799
year there will be opportunity for

744
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,720
Council to

745
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,940
we looked at this as a two-year rolling

746
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:24,840
plan

747
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,179
and it can stabilize it could be a

748
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:29,640
regular plane so we know the term or it

749
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,600
could just be every two years

750
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240
legislation does require a visa to meet

751
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,860
your plan

752
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:37,559
so this is council's opportunity to look

753
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,039
at one more time

754
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,200
in transition values goals and

755
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,399
objectives

756
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,080
to decide if the people are going to be

757
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,500
adopted as much Municipality of stately

758
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:58,009
or consumption

759
00:33:58,019 --> 00:34:00,360
questions

760
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,260
okay so does anybody have any questions

761
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:13,089
or staff

762
00:34:13,099 --> 00:34:18,060
we got one okay counselor de bruyne no I

763
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:21,000
just said no we came up here it's a

764
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,800
great point we like the black paper

765
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,379
excellent okay sorry I didn't forget to

766
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:26,940
mention one thing it did come up during

767
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:28,740
the week's discussions as communication

768
00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:31,020
from the public uh we have a staff

769
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:32,879
member he's very creative Imperial

770
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:34,800
Communications visuals who's just

771
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,619
jumping a bit to give Council adoptsis

772
00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:40,740
to do a big splash on the back of the

773
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:42,960
local newspaper Facebook and website

774
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,500
this very digestible so it won't be as

775
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,960
detailed looking as this cheap but it

776
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,119
will cover the five goals and it'll do

777
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,480
highlights in short digestible terms for

778
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,159
everyone to understand what a council's

779
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,440
progressive model

780
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,460
hopefully if I have some feedback it's

781
00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:01,849
located

782
00:35:01,859 --> 00:35:04,560
Focus everything engaging them

783
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,660
with

784
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:08,760
um now that you've said that are they

785
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,440
going to put the mission statement in

786
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,060
the vision statement in there because I

787
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:13,320
think

788
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,020
I miss the workshop and I feel really

789
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:19,079
bad about messing with familial

790
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,240
um but I love the fact in the vision

791
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,099
statement that it's about rounding in

792
00:35:23,099 --> 00:35:25,020
Heritage I think that means so much to

793
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:25,980
so many

794
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:28,260
people that live here that may remember

795
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:29,640
that is true

796
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,579
I think we would reiterate that in

797
00:35:32,579 --> 00:35:33,900
something

798
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,030
my family

799
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,720
I'm not really words tonight but

800
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,099
something I was very happy about with

801
00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:42,540
the taking into the council that shot

802
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:44,579
the station was developed through the

803
00:35:44,579 --> 00:35:46,560
official Canadian plan public engagement

804
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,859
process so this division of council

805
00:35:49,859 --> 00:35:52,260
so they're adopted is exactly what's

806
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:54,500
written in the officially

807
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,760
because I'm sure that it's like accounts

808
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,300
if there's council's known as

809
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,940
good night

810
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:05,760
any specific questions

811
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,740
so I'm going to make them

812
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:12,599
um recommendation that we accept this in

813
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:14,820
this entirety one two three four and

814
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:17,820
five so can I have somebody make a

815
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:19,460
motion that

816
00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:23,599
uh the following be adopted I think the

817
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,300
2023-2024 municipal objectives uh the

818
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,339
following be adopted as the District of

819
00:36:29,339 --> 00:36:32,460
lower Hutt's Mission Vision Values goals

820
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:35,640
and objectives as written

821
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,980
and so we each secondary by counselor

822
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:40,140
plan any further questions

823
00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:43,010
all in favor

824
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:51,290
Perry

825
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:55,820
okay moving on to

826
00:36:55,820 --> 00:37:00,300
11.4 uh buckle up everyone this is your

827
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,720
city asset replacement strategy turn

828
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,140
this over to Mr Taylor's thank you Paula

829
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:08,339
can you please turn on your camera and

830
00:37:08,339 --> 00:37:18,170
your microphone

831
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:20,579
uh close your answer

832
00:37:20,579 --> 00:37:23,760
thanks uh thanks Marine Council for uh

833
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,040
the opportunity to uh to attend

834
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,339
virtually I appreciate that I'm just

835
00:37:29,339 --> 00:37:31,260
going to share uh share my screen as

836
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:34,500
well uh one second here

837
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:54,950
should be good

838
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,240
can you see the uh the blue screen

839
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,920
this video thank you

840
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,619
good thanks

841
00:38:01,619 --> 00:38:03,300
at least I beat the BC assessment

842
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:07,130
Authority on that

843
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:10,440
the uh the uh I've had I've had a worse

844
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,079
time believe me so uh technology can do

845
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:13,980
that

846
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:15,300
um just uh thanks again for the

847
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,880
opportunity uh we'll uh I'll try and run

848
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,320
through as quickly as possible I know it

849
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,480
take will take a little bit of time uh

850
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,099
there's a bit of detail here before we

851
00:38:23,099 --> 00:38:26,160
get to uh the punch line with uh you

852
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,599
know with the financial impacts which is

853
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,240
what we're trying to uh give Council a

854
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,220
sense off tonight so uh what are we

855
00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:33,900
gonna do a little bit of background

856
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,359
recap uh talk about what went into

857
00:38:36,359 --> 00:38:39,119
building the the strategy and uh

858
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,180
opportunity uh for questions and uh the

859
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:44,220
next steps

860
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:46,020
um introduction a little bit of broader

861
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:48,660
context and you know

862
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,300
you have a similar experience to other

863
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,520
local governments I'm sure you know this

864
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,579
assets built in the past a significant

865
00:38:56,579 --> 00:38:58,320
proportion for many municipalities if

866
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,300
not most were built with significant

867
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:02,280
levels of senior government assistance

868
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,500
and of course that's not around as much

869
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,420
if at all these days especially for

870
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:09,300
regular replacement projects inflation

871
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,520
over life cycle is really significant

872
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,140
especially we've seen that the last

873
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:15,260
couple of years with construction costs

874
00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:18,480
and uh most most municipalities have

875
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,060
tried to deal with this issue in similar

876
00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:23,280
way which is you know working on a very

877
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,720
gradual phase-in of increased investment

878
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,880
to reach those levels that you want to

879
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,000
achieve within the risk profile that you

880
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,099
want as a community

881
00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:37,140
and that's really about shifting a bit

882
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:40,380
from a narrower focus of let's just keep

883
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:43,079
taxes low too let's keep assets healthy

884
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:45,780
while considering affordability so

885
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:47,640
um a little broader than than in the

886
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,420
past

887
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,760
so our our model that we want to talk

888
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,980
about uh you can see is a the the circle

889
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:56,339
here two components really asset

890
00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:59,040
replacement plan which is which has been

891
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,040
produced and and then uh conversation

892
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,960
and some modeling about asset

893
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,599
replacement Financial strategy which is

894
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:11,820
really about how do we replace Assets in uh within the risk profile that you

895
00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:13,800
want to take so that your level of

896
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,900
service is maintained in the way in the

897
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:17,880
way that you want

898
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,220
um how do we do that well we we like to

899
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:23,760
uh think of this as a um a bit of a set

900
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,460
of set of cogs uh there's three parts to

901
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:28,920
this and and it's really about the asset

902
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,020
Health score and and in this case you'll

903
00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:33,119
see that your your current asset Health

904
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,760
score is 79 which is which is pretty

905
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,140
good and it's uh pretty consistent with many municipalities and really

906
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:42,720
that's a com component or a uh

907
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,680
calculation of uh um or an aggregation

908
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,380
of your past life asset so assets that

909
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:51,119
have gone beyond their regular service

910
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,240
life and uh the proportion of all of

911
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,820
your assets that are consumed so how far

912
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:59,400
through are are you in using up those

913
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,030
assets

914
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,440
and you think about uh we like to use a

915
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,839
bucket example so you know your your

916
00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:09,780
rate of investment is how you fill up

917
00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:11,160
the bucket

918
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,780
um the health score is how we describe

919
00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:16,079
how the bucket is full or not which has

920
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:17,940
a couple of a couple components

921
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:21,180
consumption and past life asset and the

922
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:23,280
rate of deterioration is is how much is

923
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,440
leaking out of the bucket so you you

924
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,820
generally want to try and have your rate

925
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,859
of investment equal to or better than

926
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:30,960
the rate of deterioration otherwise the

927
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,180
bucket is going to gradually empty and

928
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:34,980
that's what we talk about with the asset

929
00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:37,740
Health score if you're you know if your

930
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:39,839
rate of investment isn't keeping up with

931
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:42,060
the rate of deterioration or or

932
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:44,099
consumption of your assets then

933
00:41:44,099 --> 00:41:48,839
gradually your asset Health score will deteriorate and get less

934
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:50,820
and really the conversation today is

935
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:51,660
about

936
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:53,700
um you know you're you're out of 79

937
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,800
today what would you like to be in the

938
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,560
future over the planning Horizon which

939
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,960
is you know 30 years for for this

940
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,820
exercise 2022 to 2050 2052.

941
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:07,579
so how are we going to fund this well

942
00:42:07,579 --> 00:42:13,320
we've we go back to our Circle uh We've done the work uh with staff on

943
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,960
compiling asset data we've looked at

944
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,540
some risks and level of service uh we

945
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:20,280
know what the funding demand will be to

946
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,140
replace assets

947
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,359
um and that results in a forecasted

948
00:42:24,359 --> 00:42:26,099
replacement budget and then the focus

949
00:42:26,099 --> 00:42:29,099
here is well how do we finance that I'm

950
00:42:29,099 --> 00:42:31,320
taking into account these three factors

951
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,500
of affordability flexibility and

952
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,940
resiliency and we'll talk a little bit

953
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:38,160
about those and see how they work

954
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,839
together in the model

955
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:43,740
so resiliency is the ability of the the

956
00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:46,619
organization the municipality to meet

957
00:42:46,619 --> 00:42:48,540
the community's desired levels of

958
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:49,560
service

959
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,599
um within those risk tolerances over

960
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,520
time because taking risk is is very

961
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,480
normal

962
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,220
um it's just really how much risk you

963
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:57,839
want do you want to take and we'll talk

964
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,880
about that in in a minute

965
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,160
um the other piece is affordability and

966
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,900
that's the extent to which taxpayers can

967
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:07,200
pay their pay fees and flexibility is

968
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,079
the extent to which you can use uh your funding sources which in this case

969
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,020
is really uh use of debt capacity or

970
00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:18,540
reserves you've accumulated

971
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:20,819
um how how can you use those or can you

972
00:43:20,819 --> 00:43:24,660
use those to both fund the planned

973
00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:27,359
replacement of assets and also deal with

974
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:29,819
any unplanned asset Replacements that

975
00:43:29,819 --> 00:43:31,560
come up a little bit earlier than than

976
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,740
expected so as I say the resiliency

977
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:36,480
piece we measure with asset Health score

978
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,880
which is this mix of past life and

979
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,119
consumption affordability we look at the

980
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,160
annual cost of the homeowner and

981
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,760
flexibility is the capacity to play for

982
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,579
unplanned and planned and it's all about

983
00:43:50,579 --> 00:43:52,440
the reserved cash in the debt room and

984
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,760
we'll talk about those again in a minute

985
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
too so resiliency

986
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,619
um we really talked about

987
00:43:58,619 --> 00:44:00,839
this piece and I apologize again for

988
00:44:00,839 --> 00:44:02,579
quite a bit of data but I'm trying to

989
00:44:02,579 --> 00:44:04,800
work through it fairly quickly for you

990
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,599
um we really want to think about risk

991
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,140
and we looked at the mix of your your

992
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:12,480
assets so we talk about risk and the

993
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,300
level of service I.E the impact if you

994
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,760
lose an asset or it breaks or or you

995
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160
have an interruption and we work through

996
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,319
the categorizing that and you can see as

997
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:24,300
in most municipalities your water and

998
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,460
sewer systems are your generally your

999
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:28,380
highest risk and it's the one you want

1000
00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:30,780
the highest level of service from Storm

1001
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:32,520
a little bit less Transportation a

1002
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,079
little bit less you know you can stand

1003
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,520
to have a little more risk in your

1004
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,780
equipment

1005
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:39,420
Etc so from that you can see your your

1006
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:40,520
highest

1007
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,740
category assets of water and sewer storm

1008
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:46,140
is medium and transportation buildings

1009
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:52,619
equipment and some land structures are relatively low uh in in relation to

1010
00:44:52,619 --> 00:44:53,579
that

1011
00:44:53,579 --> 00:44:56,160
so what do we do with that well we take

1012
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,079
that and we build scenarios

1013
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,540
um and we're talking about uh here three

1014
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:05,400
scenarios where we want to keep your assets in the same condition within

1015
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,980
the same risk as you have now and then

1016
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:12,660
we take a little more Risk by applying a

1017
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:15,660
risk factor to each of the classes and

1018
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:18,480
then we take a little further risk for

1019
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,060
comparative purposes so you can see the

1020
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:25,200
difference between funding and risk and how that affects the replacement of

1021
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,240
your assets

1022
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,280
and what what we end up doing is we look

1023
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,480
at we look at these uh comparatives so

1024
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,180
your current score uh 79 which is really

1025
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:38,520
a mix of you've got about 13 of your

1026
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,220
assets right now are past their useful

1027
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:43,140
life and that's not necessarily a bad

1028
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:45,720
thing you you could have uh say water

1029
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,339
pipe that was built in very good ground

1030
00:45:47,339 --> 00:45:49,920
conditions and hasn't been subject to a

1031
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,900
lot of environmental factors and and

1032
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:54,240
could could quite easily go beyond its

1033
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,760
uh useful life quite happily you you may

1034
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,500
have some that you know poor ground

1035
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,359
conditions maybe wasn't constructed as

1036
00:46:00,359 --> 00:46:02,099
well and

1037
00:46:02,099 --> 00:46:04,260
um you know maybe uh end up being a

1038
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:08,220
little bit less so 13 past life and then

1039
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:11,880
you're about 68 consumed overall so that

1040
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,760
means about 68 of your your assets have

1041
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,619
been have been used up

1042
00:46:16,619 --> 00:46:19,440
um in general if you if you keep the

1043
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,000
same amount of funding because you're

1044
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
putting about 675 000 in a year towards

1045
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,099
uh Capital whether that's through

1046
00:46:26,099 --> 00:46:27,900
transfers to reserves or or debt

1047
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,119
servicing for Capital if you just keep

1048
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,099
it the same and don't increase it you

1049
00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:33,599
can see your your asset Health score is

1050
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,339
going to drop to zero

1051
00:46:35,339 --> 00:46:37,260
um and it actually drops to zero in

1052
00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:39,960
about year 20 in the model so 20 years

1053
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,480
out you're you're basically your past

1054
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,940
life assets are basically all of you all

1055
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:47,220
of your assets and your consumption rate

1056
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:48,960
is much higher and it's it's higher than

1057
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,540
100 because you've got some assets that

1058
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:54,119
have gone beyond their useful life so

1059
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:55,619
they would be a hundred percent consumed

1060
00:46:55,619 --> 00:46:58,740
then so 160 means

1061
00:46:58,740 --> 00:47:03,780
basically 1.6 uh 1.6 times consumed

1062
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:05,460
um so very significant and something

1063
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:08,760
that's not clearly sustainable so we

1064
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,319
said well let's look at three different

1065
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,420
scenarios

1066
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:15,000
um an 80 score scenario which is

1067
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,440
basically trying to keep the risk and

1068
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,660
level of service similar so you end up

1069
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:21,359
with past life of 12 and consumption of

1070
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:25,560
70 very very similar to current I'm

1071
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,359
contrast that with the second scenario

1072
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:31,319
you know where you increase the risk and adjust the level of service a little

1073
00:47:31,319 --> 00:47:33,720
bit so you take a little higher past

1074
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,300
life assets proportion you let them go a

1075
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,400
little and you let your assets age a

1076
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,920
little bit more and that's the level of

1077
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,180
funding the three million dollars

1078
00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:45,660
compared to 3.2 you can see as you take

1079
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:48,839
a little higher risk you can drop the amount of annual funding that's

1080
00:47:48,839 --> 00:47:51,300
needed and then scenario three we

1081
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:52,920
thought we'd we'd drop a little further

1082
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,680
and and uh

1083
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,260
just for again comparison and C you got

1084
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:59,940
about 25 percent of your past life

1085
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:01,920
assets and about 80 80 odd percent

1086
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,380
consumption but you need you can invest

1087
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:07,560
a little bit less in that scenario

1088
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,380
then we talk about flexibility this is

1089
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:12,599
really about you know unplanned asset

1090
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,579
replacement and planned asset

1091
00:48:14,579 --> 00:48:17,760
replacement uh and so this is the extent

1092
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,680
to which you can use debt and reserves

1093
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,160
to fund both those those two scenarios

1094
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,720
so you know you have about 93 million

1095
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,460
dollars of of assets or replacement

1096
00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:28,500
value now

1097
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,800
about 13 or 12 million dollars are past

1098
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,900
their life and that's probably your

1099
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:37,380
highest highest risk area for unplanned

1100
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:39,359
replacement and so we went through an

1101
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:41,339
exercise and said well how how much in

1102
00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:44,579
terms of reserves and debt do we want to

1103
00:48:44,579 --> 00:48:47,760
maintain over the the 30-year planning

1104
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,980
period of this of this model

1105
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:51,359
um so that you can it's kind of like

1106
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,700
your insurance so you can use and deploy

1107
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,780
that reserves or that cash or the debt

1108
00:48:56,780 --> 00:49:01,020
I'm for uh for replacing something that

1109
00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:02,520
happens to break or fail during the

1110
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,619
course of the year and we arrived at a

1111
00:49:04,619 --> 00:49:07,260
sort of an 80 20 split we wanted to keep

1112
00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:08,700
a fair amount of cash because you can

1113
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,579
deploy that quicker and have some small

1114
00:49:11,579 --> 00:49:13,020
amount of room for debt if you need it

1115
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:15,000
so about three million dollars would be

1116
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,099
your insurance level and that's about

1117
00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:21,000
you know 26 26 percent of uh of your

1118
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,520
asset past life value which is which I

1119
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,480
think is pretty reasonable because

1120
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,800
they're not all going to fail at the

1121
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,960
same time clearly

1122
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,460
and then if we look at planned

1123
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:34,260
replacement and and we work backwards we know that you've got about 13.8

1124
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:35,940
million in debt capacity that you could

1125
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,960
use

1126
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,520
um you know most municipalities are

1127
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,980
fairly risk-averse and you you know you

1128
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:42,780
tend to try and avoid debt if you can

1129
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:46,619
but it is a tool in the toolbox and uh

1130
00:49:46,619 --> 00:49:49,440
if we keep 0.6 million that we just

1131
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,500
talked about reserved capacity for

1132
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:54,060
unplanned replacement or breakages

1133
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:56,880
that's the small one here we just said

1134
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,380
let's keep a couple of million dollars

1135
00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:00,540
of room for emergency

1136
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:02,520
um just in case just to be conservative

1137
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,020
so we've got a couple of million dollars

1138
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:06,900
set aside in case we ever needed to

1139
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:08,339
borrow and you still have to go through

1140
00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:10,619
the the uh Ascend to the electors

1141
00:50:10,619 --> 00:50:12,240
process and all those steps to borrow

1142
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,940
there's no difference there and and then

1143
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:17,640
we kept a significant amount of room uh

1144
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,280
for new projects over the period and

1145
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,560
what that does is it leaves about 2.7

1146
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,020
million dollars of room in your

1147
00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:27,359
borrowing capacity that we could use for

1148
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:29,180
a regular asset replacement

1149
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:32,220
if if we happen to need it so that it's

1150
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:35,040
smooth the impact on the taxpayer at

1151
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,079
some point in the future so that's now

1152
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,900
built into the model a small amount

1153
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:43,560
relatively about 20 say what was it 20

1154
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,140
uh almost 20 percent of the of the total

1155
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:48,780
debt capacity that you have

1156
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:51,000
and then lastly uh

1157
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,660
and most importantly you want to keep affordability in mind

1158
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:59,339
and uh typical home uh typical home pays

1159
00:50:59,339 --> 00:51:01,920
about twenty two hundred dollars in

1160
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,280
taxes and utility fees about 350 dollars

1161
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,099
of that goes towards Capital replacement

1162
00:51:07,099 --> 00:51:11,880
and 1873 the the teal color here is for

1163
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,920
uh everything else operations and

1164
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,760
maintenance Public Works planning

1165
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,280
um fire you know contribution to police

1166
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,540
Etc

1167
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:24,000
if we break that out you can see it's

1168
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,319
about a thousand and ninety five dollars

1169
00:51:25,319 --> 00:51:28,079
in property taxes and that's about 210

1170
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,740
for capital 8.85 for operations

1171
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:33,119
564 and water you can see a little bit

1172
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,220
less than less proportion in in water

1173
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:38,280
about 47 bucks a year for Capital and so

1174
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,339
we're funding office 564 as well but

1175
00:51:41,339 --> 00:51:43,440
there's about 93 dollars of that is is

1176
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,440
uh um invested in capital uh on average

1177
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,660
each year

1178
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:50,940
so Financial strategy just a couple of

1179
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:52,800
quick reminders as we as I go through

1180
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,940
this

1181
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:55,859
um this is like for like replacement so

1182
00:51:55,859 --> 00:51:59,280
we're not building in any new or

1183
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,559
incremental assets so if you you know if

1184
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,500
you if there's a a second uh fire hall

1185
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:06,119
on the horizon or there's a rec center

1186
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:08,220
in the future or things like that those

1187
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:10,260
would always be additional to uh to the

1188
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:12,180
model and and you know would obviously

1189
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:14,220
change things moving forward and we

1190
00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:15,300
always talk about constant dollar

1191
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,359
analysis so inflation is is not

1192
00:52:18,359 --> 00:52:20,040
accounted for it's

1193
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,599
um you need to deal with that every time

1194
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,599
you update the model and the assets are

1195
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,640
limited to the the regular Municipal

1196
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,960
assets that we have

1197
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,400
um you know like drainage water sewer

1198
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,800
buildings Etc

1199
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,540
now what we think about when we do this

1200
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:35,339
is we always look to phasing cost

1201
00:52:35,339 --> 00:52:36,720
increases over the longest period

1202
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,400
possible to smooth impacts to the

1203
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,339
taxpayer so the model tries to do that

1204
00:52:40,339 --> 00:52:43,800
uh we stay within our asset Vital Signs

1205
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,140
uh scenarios

1206
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:47,700
um so we we've built that in so that's

1207
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:49,500
that means you'll stay within that risk

1208
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:52,800
profile for each scenario and we then

1209
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,960
run plan to keep our minimum Reserve

1210
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,700
number we just talked about and we

1211
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:59,220
maintain our debt capacity and if for

1212
00:52:59,220 --> 00:53:00,599
some reason the reserves drop a little

1213
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,480
bit below below the minimum we hold off

1214
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,240
investing for the next year or two until

1215
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,339
uh till the reserves are brought up to

1216
00:53:08,339 --> 00:53:11,040
maintain that insurance and for Planned

1217
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,780
again yeah we use reserves and debt

1218
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:15,059
smooth out the tax impacts over time to

1219
00:53:15,059 --> 00:53:18,660
uh to the typical home and while still

1220
00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:21,660
meeting that vital Vital sign Target and

1221
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:23,520
we always try and use reserves first and

1222
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,240
use that only when needed

1223
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,660
so just to recap the three models Uh

1224
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:34,740
current state 79 score uh past life of

1225
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:37,440
13 so model one is to try and keep that

1226
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,400
the same

1227
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,440
model two is to take a little more risk

1228
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,380
and or scenario two and scenario three

1229
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:45,240
is to take a little further risk again

1230
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:47,040
just to compare and contrast to give you

1231
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,720
a little bit of sensitivity analysis you

1232
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,339
can see uh

1233
00:53:50,339 --> 00:53:53,160
um see what the implications are so uh

1234
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,660
now that the the real thing that you've

1235
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:57,059
been waiting for the significant numbers

1236
00:53:57,059 --> 00:54:00,780
are are for so for scenario one

1237
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:04,079
um you know you need to go from 675 000

1238
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:05,579
a year that you're investing in capital

1239
00:54:05,579 --> 00:54:06,599
now

1240
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,599
to in the order of 3.2 million so a

1241
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,660
significant jump and uh you can see very

1242
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:15,480
significant number your 350 dollars to

1243
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,000
the average home over over 20 years and

1244
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,859
this is a 20-year period would right

1245
00:54:19,859 --> 00:54:23,059
need to rise to you know almost 2 900

1246
00:54:23,059 --> 00:54:25,920
and uh consistently doing that would

1247
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,859
take about 127 dollars increase each

1248
00:54:28,859 --> 00:54:31,319
year and and you use all of the debt

1249
00:54:31,319 --> 00:54:34,440
capacity uh room that you have allocated

1250
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,300
for Capital replacement

1251
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,780
um over the over the life of the model

1252
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:42,240
so very significant numbers for sure

1253
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,760
if we split that out you can see it's

1254
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,819
about 66 bucks a year uh or dollars per

1255
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:50,160
year for uh General capital or Taxation

1256
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,020
and that's equivalent to about a three

1257
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:54,180
and a half percent tax increase and a

1258
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:56,220
very significant numbers

1259
00:54:56,220 --> 00:54:58,500
um 40 for water Capital which is an

1260
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,260
average 4.6 percent increase in water

1261
00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:04,619
and 11 for sewer which is an average 1.4

1262
00:55:04,619 --> 00:55:06,900
percent uh increase

1263
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,420
and and I've got a summary at the end so

1264
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:11,819
uh um bear with me and I'll I'll get to

1265
00:55:11,819 --> 00:55:14,400
the comparison in a minute

1266
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,880
um scenario two same starting point 350

1267
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,400
dollars committed to Capital from uh

1268
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,960
typical home

1269
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,760
because we're taking a little bit more

1270
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,500
risk and a slightly lower asset Health

1271
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:27,720
score you can see we need to invest

1272
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:29,160
three million dollars a year instead of

1273
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,220
3.2 and we end up at uh slightly less

1274
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:34,619
number 2691 dollars still very

1275
00:55:34,619 --> 00:55:37,559
significant and it's about 117 dollar

1276
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,980
increase per year for 20 years and use a

1277
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:42,599
little bit less debt

1278
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:46,140
um still a significant proportion but a little bit less

1279
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:49,680
if we break that out again you'll see 62

1280
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,140
bucks in property taxes is about a 3.3

1281
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:54,059
percent property tax increase on average

1282
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:57,780
for each of the years 46 very similar

1283
00:55:57,780 --> 00:56:00,540
4.3 percent increase in water and a

1284
00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:01,800
slightly lower nine dollar increase

1285
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,960
since your capital of 1.1 percent

1286
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,359
increase in the sewer charge

1287
00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:09,359
and lastly uh scenario three and we

1288
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,160
tried a little bit of a Different Twist

1289
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,200
in scenario three

1290
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,200
um 350 starting point over 20 years up

1291
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,079
to 2607

1292
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,380
um so 2.7 million annual investment at

1293
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:25,680
that point what we decided to do was try

1294
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,819
and uh start uh start a little bit lower

1295
00:56:28,819 --> 00:56:33,240
and to work in to the program and then

1296
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:34,980
increase the contributions a little

1297
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:38,099
faster over time so this one is uh 69

1298
00:56:38,099 --> 00:56:41,520
starting point but it rises to 167 over

1299
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,980
the 20 years you still end up at a very

1300
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:46,619
similar endpoint we're just starting a

1301
00:56:46,619 --> 00:56:48,480
bit slower and ramping it up over time

1302
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,640
and we used a little bit less so a

1303
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,140
little bit less that capacity in this

1304
00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:55,500
scenario so in terms of property taxes

1305
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:57,240
you can see what we thought we would try

1306
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,880
in this model was a two percent increase

1307
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,040
for the first four years three percent

1308
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,839
for the next four and then four percent

1309
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,960
for the last the last 12. and that's why

1310
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,760
you have this increasing amount so you

1311
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,920
start off at twenty two dollars

1312
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,720
um for the first uh four years and then

1313
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,579
you're gradually increasing and you know

1314
00:57:14,579 --> 00:57:16,500
the last few years you're at 120 dollars

1315
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:17,520
per year

1316
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,640
uh water just consistently four percent

1317
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,440
increase forty one dollars all the way

1318
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,079
through and Sewer in a little bit less

1319
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:26,880
six dollars or a point eight percent

1320
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,420
charge increase I'm all the way through

1321
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:32,460
and you end up with a slightly lower

1322
00:57:32,460 --> 00:57:34,800
asset Health score of uh just under 50

1323
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,240
percent

1324
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,119
so the summary piece uh you can see is

1325
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:40,859
scenario one

1326
00:57:40,859 --> 00:57:43,500
uh trying to hit a health score of of 80

1327
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:46,260
to keep everything very similar

1328
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:49,440
127 dollars a year for 20 years rising

1329
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,000
up to about 2 900 to a typical home uh

1330
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,760
after 20 years second scenario take a

1331
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,380
little more risk slightly lower Health

1332
00:57:58,380 --> 00:57:59,880
score

1333
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,640
um 117 rather than 127 and you end up at

1334
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,200
2691 dollars a year so a little bit less

1335
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,240
couple hundred dollars a year less at

1336
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,760
that point and then if we we take a

1337
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,440
little further we have a Target Health

1338
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,200
score of about 50 percent

1339
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,800
um 69 rising up though to 167

1340
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,740
um over 20 years and you you end up at

1341
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:25,020
twenty six hundred and seven dollars uh

1342
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:27,180
a year at that point

1343
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:32,220
um and you can see the difference in the use of debt in general so you know

1344
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:34,440
very no way to no way to sugarcoat it

1345
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,240
very significant numbers

1346
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,000
um you're you're not uh significantly

1347
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,380
different to a lot of municipalities

1348
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:42,660
around the province and you know the

1349
00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:45,420
factors we talked about earlier uh or I

1350
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:47,880
talked about earlier in in the start of

1351
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,920
the presentation around you know a lot

1352
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,599
of assets were built with senior levels

1353
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,059
of government uh funding so you know an

1354
00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:55,680
asset you may be built with 30 Cent

1355
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,359
dollars you're needing to replace at a

1356
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,520
hundred cent dollars now so of course

1357
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,079
it's going to cost you a lot more than

1358
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:02,760
when it was built plus you've had

1359
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,540
inflation over the the life of um of the

1360
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:09,480
use of that asset so very similar to to

1361
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,980
others

1362
00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:12,780
um a little bit higher in the property

1363
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:15,660
tax scenario but um but not um

1364
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:17,700
you know in concept very very similar to

1365
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:19,799
other municipalities

1366
00:59:19,799 --> 00:59:21,839
so just to summarize

1367
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:24,240
um overall increase ranging from you

1368
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,720
know 69 to 167 dollars a year

1369
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,880
um you know the property tax tax

1370
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,579
increase that's pretty significant

1371
00:59:32,579 --> 00:59:34,920
um in all of the uh all of the scenarios

1372
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,380
uh the third scenario starts a little

1373
00:59:37,380 --> 00:59:38,819
bit lower with a two percent over the

1374
00:59:38,819 --> 00:59:41,220
first four years to build momentum and

1375
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:43,140
perhaps give an opportunity to uh to

1376
00:59:43,140 --> 00:59:45,299
build education and awareness

1377
00:59:45,299 --> 00:59:48,180
um and and build the uh connection with

1378
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:50,339
the need for it and you know protect

1379
00:59:50,339 --> 00:59:55,079
Next Generation from from those costs

1380
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:56,520
um option three as I said gradual

1381
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,099
increase and just a reminder this is

1382
00:59:59,099 --> 01:00:00,720
just for the existing asset replacement

1383
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,359
and if you do add additional capital

1384
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,640
projects or Assets in the future that

1385
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,680
will you know that obviously change the

1386
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,920
model uh um a little bit

1387
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,200
um we would suggest that uh this this

1388
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,079
creates alignment uh between risk and

1389
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,359
level and level of service and your

1390
01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:20,220
financial strategy and the financial

1391
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:23,220
impact to typical homes it's a living

1392
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:26,220
strategy is meant to be uh um a guide

1393
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:29,579
not a bylaw it's a method

1394
01:00:29,579 --> 01:00:31,500
um Council still makes its financial

1395
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:33,720
decisions during budget every year so

1396
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,240
this is really to

1397
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,980
um just like some of your other Master

1398
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:39,839
plans to provide some long-term

1399
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:43,619
Direction and and you work towards it as

1400
01:00:43,619 --> 01:00:45,900
you're able to and and as you you know

1401
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,240
you choose on behalf of the community

1402
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,460
from uh from year to year so it's

1403
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:53,700
providing a guide for decision making

1404
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:56,400
um there's a few other areas we can't we

1405
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,440
you know you can or steps you can get

1406
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,960
into uh once we get you know you get the

1407
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,760
uh the method

1408
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,180
um uh uh in place such as you could

1409
01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:08,640
build policy the key is to integrate it

1410
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,380
into existing processes into your

1411
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,180
five-year Financial

1412
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:13,680
um and your annual report and perhaps

1413
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,079
even to your strategic planning from

1414
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:17,819
time to time

1415
01:01:17,819 --> 01:01:19,859
um separating asset cost is always a

1416
01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:21,359
really good idea because it provides

1417
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:24,420
Clarity for uh for the community

1418
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:26,700
um and implementing a reporting and

1419
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:29,579
measurement framework which is the last

1420
01:01:29,579 --> 01:01:32,099
stage of the ambc best practice roadmap

1421
01:01:32,099 --> 01:01:33,660
is uh

1422
01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:37,200
um reinforces the and and reports to the

1423
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,200
community on the condition of your

1424
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,880
assets and and the progress that you're

1425
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,339
making and lastly just always refine

1426
01:01:44,339 --> 01:01:47,220
data this is uh the data we always work

1427
01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:50,040
with is is never perfect and uh refining

1428
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:57,359
it from year to year is the best way of improving accuracy in this case

1429
01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:59,880
and I apologize again for speaking so

1430
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,640
long happy to happy to answer any any

1431
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,430
questions

1432
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,930
okay

1433
01:02:11,940 --> 01:02:13,859
well I have I have a couple of questions

1434
01:02:13,859 --> 01:02:16,680
so I I think it's a good idea to

1435
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,799
separate that asset cost out or and

1436
01:02:19,799 --> 01:02:22,619
letting people know just what what is

1437
01:02:22,619 --> 01:02:24,480
going to assets

1438
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,680
um

1439
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,079
but I have to ask so when you do the

1440
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,839
water and sewer do you account for the

1441
01:02:30,839 --> 01:02:33,839
reserves that we have in there now or is

1442
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:37,020
it just assuming that we have nothing

1443
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:38,040
no

1444
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,559
um good question we uh we build in uh

1445
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,500
your current level of Reserves and uh in

1446
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:45,359
each of you know for each of the uh

1447
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:47,520
General Water and Sewer

1448
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,380
um and uh we just you know we may have

1449
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:50,760
made some assumptions about what you're

1450
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,200
spending in the next year or so but

1451
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,359
other than that it's yeah we we

1452
01:02:54,359 --> 01:02:56,099
absolutely use the level of reserves you

1453
01:02:56,099 --> 01:02:58,440
have and then we Implement in the model

1454
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,119
that minimum amount of reserves we

1455
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,220
talked about you know to to keep that

1456
01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:04,200
for that insurance uh all the way

1457
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,460
through

1458
01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:07,140
um so what you're really doing is is

1459
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:09,480
using up reserves maintaining a minimum

1460
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,819
and then topping it up with debt once in

1461
01:03:11,819 --> 01:03:14,099
a while if needed in order to smooth the

1462
01:03:14,099 --> 01:03:16,380
impact to the taxpayer so that the cost

1463
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:18,839
of the taxpayer is is uh pretty

1464
01:03:18,839 --> 01:03:22,020
consistent albeit increasing and we

1465
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:24,420
always suggest it's a great idea to

1466
01:03:24,420 --> 01:03:26,880
um to separate out and have even have a

1467
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,220
separate tax rate so pull out that

1468
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:30,960
portion from your current property tax

1469
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,180
rate and show it separately because then

1470
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:35,520
you can connect it directly to the the

1471
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,980
uh you know the asset replacement

1472
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:39,839
program and it's easier for the

1473
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,280
community to see where that money's

1474
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,619
going and uh generally you get better

1475
01:03:43,619 --> 01:03:52,010
buy-in when that happens we find

1476
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:54,420
right

1477
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:57,000
if we were to get grants for some of

1478
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,180
these assets that we need replacing

1479
01:04:00,180 --> 01:04:03,480
um would we just keep going with plan a

1480
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,200
whatever room tubes or we wouldn't

1481
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,480
differentiate based on the grants that

1482
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:10,980
we would have

1483
01:04:10,980 --> 01:04:12,960
great great yeah great great Point again

1484
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,480
uh two parts to that one is yeah we we

1485
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,520
don't uh build assumptions in around

1486
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,020
grants into the model just to be

1487
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:21,599
conservative again because as you're

1488
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,160
well aware

1489
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,319
um the I think you see that the

1490
01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:28,520
likelihood of getting grants for regular

1491
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,599
run-of-the-mill replacement of a water

1492
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:34,020
line or a sewer line or or piece of road

1493
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:37,500
um let alone a fire hall let's say are

1494
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,780
rarer and rarer the the grants are

1495
01:04:39,780 --> 01:04:41,339
tending towards

1496
01:04:41,339 --> 01:04:43,500
um you know more climate related

1497
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,540
Disaster Response

1498
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:46,260
um

1499
01:04:46,260 --> 01:04:49,319
uh you know social Wildfire

1500
01:04:49,319 --> 01:04:50,760
Etc so

1501
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,040
um I think that's that appears to be

1502
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,200
where where the uh where the the

1503
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,000
province is heading with and the federal

1504
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,680
government is heading with those Grant

1505
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,720
programs so likely to be less and less

1506
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,240
for regular asset replacement

1507
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,160
um if you do happen to get one and and

1508
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,859
we all keep trying to apply for them and

1509
01:05:07,859 --> 01:05:09,299
if we're lucky enough they're fortunate

1510
01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:10,619
to get one

1511
01:05:10,619 --> 01:05:11,220
um

1512
01:05:11,220 --> 01:05:13,200
that would just be built into the model

1513
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,660
in the year you do you know do your

1514
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:18,299
update and and we always encourage uh

1515
01:05:18,299 --> 01:05:19,980
um to build it into regular business so

1516
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:21,780
that your that your staff are updating

1517
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:23,579
them updating your information every

1518
01:05:23,579 --> 01:05:26,040
year so if you do happen to get a grant

1519
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,920
then you would simply reduce the uh

1520
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,599
reduce the cost

1521
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,579
um you know of replacing that particular

1522
01:05:32,579 --> 01:05:35,640
asset in that scenario in the big scheme

1523
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,500
of things one particular Grant with one

1524
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:40,260
asset probably won't make a uh you know

1525
01:05:40,260 --> 01:05:42,480
a massive difference to the numbers so I

1526
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,920
would think you're probably writing that

1527
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,720
the path or the trajectory would still

1528
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,599
continue but the point of this is to to

1529
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:50,400
build it into regular business every day

1530
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,319
or every year

1531
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,119
um and if your staff are able to do that

1532
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:55,799
and you know in amongst everything else

1533
01:05:55,799 --> 01:05:58,140
that they're they're asked to do

1534
01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:00,299
um you you'll find that your numbers are

1535
01:06:00,299 --> 01:06:01,559
more accurate

1536
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:03,660
um becomes normal normal business and

1537
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:05,940
you adjust it over time

1538
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:17,390
thank you

1539
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,160
counselor de Broome

1540
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,720
thank you very much for uh for all the

1541
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,039
uh data I'm still processing but um it

1542
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:30,480
is uh uh to me it is like it you started

1543
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,420
off really quickly uh with uh basically

1544
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:35,460
indicating the health Spore for a little

1545
01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:39,119
wet 79 indicating that that is you know

1546
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:41,819
a fairly in line with other

1547
01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:44,039
instabilities

1548
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:44,579
um

1549
01:06:44,579 --> 01:06:48,059
if I walk around Lila went it doesn't

1550
01:06:48,059 --> 01:06:49,940
feel like 79

1551
01:06:49,940 --> 01:06:53,880
and uh if you look at you know the the

1552
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,500
um at the streets uh the crumbling

1553
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,599
sidewalks and that sort of stuff and the

1554
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,660
undersized infrastructure and the the

1555
01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:03,000
list of projects that we have sort of

1556
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,059
already it sort of feels like

1557
01:07:06,059 --> 01:07:09,000
you know that we're nowhere near 79 and

1558
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,160
it's sort of daunting to think of what

1559
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,220
46 would look like

1560
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:17,460
um and uh because you know I I think

1561
01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:19,980
we've been as a young council at least

1562
01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:21,780
you know have some mission of maybe

1563
01:07:21,780 --> 01:07:24,539
raising the standards and I think you

1564
01:07:24,539 --> 01:07:26,520
know the presentation that you've given

1565
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,119
is okay well you know this is what it's

1566
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:32,400
going to cost it's just maintain you

1567
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,740
know the current state and let's look at

1568
01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:36,960
you know scenarios where we take it down

1569
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:42,180
a notch and uh so that's hard to comprehend versus the

1570
01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:44,940
amount of tax increases that uh that are

1571
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:46,980
required just to maintain things so like

1572
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:49,980
I said it's uh it is a bit of a daunting

1573
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:52,500
uh presentation uh to have your second

1574
01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:57,420
month as counselor but uh it is uh um it

1575
01:07:57,420 --> 01:08:04,500
is what we're here for so thank you is there a uh an update that

1576
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:06,720
you normally do to that 79 or a

1577
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,740
breakdown to the 79 that that that we

1578
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:12,240
you know that

1579
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,380
advice and Clarity how that came about

1580
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:18,000
um yes through uh through the mayor the

1581
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,060
yeah I'm always encouraged that um this

1582
01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:23,339
again this gets built into your annual

1583
01:08:23,339 --> 01:08:26,279
uh annual process which is you know two

1584
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,560
or three parts so if you think about uh

1585
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,060
if there's some awareness and Reporting

1586
01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:32,759
built into your annual budget so as part

1587
01:08:32,759 --> 01:08:35,040
of your five-year Capital there's a

1588
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,440
broader discussion about here's how our

1589
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,420
funding strategy is working here's our

1590
01:08:39,420 --> 01:08:41,460
asset Health score here's what we think

1591
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:43,799
it'll it'll be in five years time if we

1592
01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:45,540
invest like this

1593
01:08:45,540 --> 01:08:46,679
um and so you get the bigger picture

1594
01:08:46,679 --> 01:08:48,600
along with you know your list of capital

1595
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,060
projects and you're connecting it to

1596
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:53,400
that broader strategy and any in your

1597
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,199
annual report

1598
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:57,299
um have a have a small uh asset

1599
01:08:57,299 --> 01:08:58,560
management section where again you talk

1600
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,660
about the score you talk about the work

1601
01:09:00,660 --> 01:09:02,940
you've done and your your level of

1602
01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:04,980
commitment and what the future outlook

1603
01:09:04,980 --> 01:09:07,739
is and that will create uh awareness in

1604
01:09:07,739 --> 01:09:09,900
the in the community and if you tie it

1605
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:12,600
with uh attaching to a separate tax rate

1606
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,279
on your tax notice you can you can

1607
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:17,580
connect the dots uh and have a have a

1608
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:20,219
fairly concise method of just just

1609
01:09:20,219 --> 01:09:22,620
looking at how your your approach is

1610
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:24,900
working and I mean the numbers are the

1611
01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:26,540
they're just numbers and they're for

1612
01:09:26,540 --> 01:09:28,980
comparisons so you can see the change

1613
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:34,500
over time so um you know that they're based on the data that you have

1614
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,199
today and and as as that data is refined

1615
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:39,839
and and gets better so that that number

1616
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:42,779
may change a little bit

1617
01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:44,699
um you know if you're lucky enough that

1618
01:09:44,699 --> 01:09:47,880
some of your assets uh are maintained in

1619
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,199
great shape

1620
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:50,759
um maybe you can extend them a little

1621
01:09:50,759 --> 01:09:53,339
bit and and so your score is uh again

1622
01:09:53,339 --> 01:09:54,900
going to change

1623
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:58,560
um a little bit so um it's it's about

1624
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,179
measuring and Reporting and bringing

1625
01:10:00,179 --> 01:10:02,040
awareness and then making it regular

1626
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,560
business and and uh

1627
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,480
um and it takes some discipline there's

1628
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:08,219
communities that

1629
01:10:08,219 --> 01:10:08,940
um

1630
01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:11,699
you know I I started with uh one in

1631
01:10:11,699 --> 01:10:16,199
particular and it was 20 years ago and 20 odd years ago and it

1632
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:17,940
um the Council of the day was courageous

1633
01:10:17,940 --> 01:10:22,140
to start and uh they kept at it year

1634
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:23,580
after year

1635
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:25,980
um and the community gradually bought in

1636
01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:30,239
and and after about 20 years they're in a pretty decent place is it

1637
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,460
are they fully fully there and they can

1638
01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:33,900
breathe easy and it's all done no

1639
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:36,659
because things are always happening and

1640
01:10:36,659 --> 01:10:39,540
you know the the cost of replacing

1641
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:42,060
assets or or the standard that you want

1642
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:45,060
to build them is is clearly changing so

1643
01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:47,400
um but uh I think this is about just

1644
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,100
starting and uh making making some

1645
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,840
Headway and and getting some buy-in with

1646
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:52,860
the community which doesn't happen

1647
01:10:52,860 --> 01:11:06,649
overnight

1648
01:11:06,659 --> 01:11:08,520
well I think we're receiving this this

1649
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,260
information

1650
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:12,600
decision no no

1651
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,620
um so definitely have to uh get a copy

1652
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:20,280
of this and and mull it over can I ask

1653
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:21,719
um

1654
01:11:21,719 --> 01:11:23,699
when it comes to other communities I

1655
01:11:23,699 --> 01:11:26,100
know that you say that we're like a lot

1656
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:28,199
of other communities out there and true

1657
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:30,780
misery does love company are are the

1658
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:32,640
other communities looking above the same

1659
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,900
level of like uh monetary value of

1660
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:38,280
increases

1661
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,380
like and so if somebody comes up and

1662
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:42,360
says well this is terrible I'm not

1663
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,199
paying another 120 I'm moving to tablets

1664
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:48,840
right

1665
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,770
um yeah

1666
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:54,780
absolutely yeah uh great Point again

1667
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:57,900
um every Community is different

1668
01:11:57,900 --> 01:12:00,000
um you know the assets will have been

1669
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,280
built at different times uh the mix of

1670
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,040
the assets although you know most places

1671
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,960
will have water and sewer most will have

1672
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,179
some level of drainage and some roads

1673
01:12:09,179 --> 01:12:13,500
and buildings Etc but they're all slightly different so a true

1674
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,480
kind of apples to apples comparison

1675
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,060
really isn't isn't possible

1676
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:19,920
um I can tell you we've got a couple of

1677
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,840
communities that we've been working with

1678
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,739
that have more than this and uh which is

1679
01:12:25,739 --> 01:12:28,140
a bit of a scary proposition

1680
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:30,000
um and we've got

1681
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,239
um two or three that are or less and one

1682
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:34,260
is because they're a fairly small

1683
01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:37,140
community with not a lot of assets

1684
01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:39,480
um and another is because they're fairly

1685
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:40,880
intense

1686
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,800
infrastructure community that that takes

1687
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,600
a lot of infrastructure

1688
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,480
um and it's going to take a lot to

1689
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:49,679
replace

1690
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:52,260
um so a bit of a long-winded answer

1691
01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:54,900
there's no there's no direct comparison

1692
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:56,460
to be made

1693
01:12:56,460 --> 01:12:59,040
um with with others I would liken this

1694
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,320
to you know if you're if you happen to

1695
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,199
be a strata property owner this is like

1696
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:06,239
the depreciation report

1697
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,640
um that you never used to have for for

1698
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,620
stratas until it was mandated some years

1699
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:12,719
ago and so now when you go to buy a

1700
01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:14,820
strata you get a sense of what the

1701
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:18,320
future obligations are around

1702
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,580
maintaining you know maintaining that

1703
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:22,739
asset and this is this is the same kind

1704
01:13:22,739 --> 01:13:23,760
of thing

1705
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,840
um so so it's increasing awareness and will allow you to make some choices

1706
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,540
every year about to what extent you want

1707
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:32,760
to replace site your assets and what

1708
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,159
kind of risk profile you you want to

1709
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:49,970
take

1710
01:13:49,980 --> 01:13:51,960
you know thank you very much for your

1711
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,100
report

1712
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:59,950
appreciate it thank you

1713
01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:05,760
so I guess I just need somebody to make

1714
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,800
emotion that we receive the information

1715
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,440
regarding the asset management by your

1716
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:12,000
city solutions

1717
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,940
so I read second by counselor plan all

1718
01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:15,900
in favor

1719
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:25,250
thank you

1720
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:29,340
okay 11.5 2022 building this place is an

1721
01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:30,719
expert report

1722
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:56,689
turn this over to Scott

1723
01:14:56,699 --> 01:14:58,140
people

1724
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:00,840
thank you madam mayor happy uh December

1725
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,480
6 2022 rated the council meeting Council

1726
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:04,880
passed resolution

1727
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,400
R179 which directed staff to provide and

1728
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:09,840
present the following information

1729
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,320
council at this program council meeting

1730
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,260
a list of development projects

1731
01:15:16,260 --> 01:15:18,300
including number of units approved in

1732
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:19,980
the last 12 months in order to review

1733
01:15:19,980 --> 01:15:22,980
the status of these projects the list of

1734
01:15:22,980 --> 01:15:24,900
active building permits or closed

1735
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:26,940
permits within the last 12 months with a

1736
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:28,860
value of one hundred thousand dollars or

1737
01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:31,440
greater in the status of the experiments

1738
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,659
a list of stock work orders issued

1739
01:15:33,659 --> 01:15:35,760
within the last 12 months the reasons

1740
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,620
for the stock work orders and the

1741
01:15:37,620 --> 01:15:39,360
request of remedies

1742
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,640
and a list of do not occupy notices

1743
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,920
issued under the building bylaw or under

1744
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,900
fire code issued within the last 12

1745
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,719
months the reasons for the do not occupy

1746
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:53,630
notices and robusted remedies

1747
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,440
so development services staff Works

1748
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,060
throughout December to assemble this

1749
01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:58,920
information and I hope that it satisfies

1750
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,860
the direction to begin I would like to

1751
01:16:01,860 --> 01:16:04,440
introduce development services our

1752
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,300
department includes the director the

1753
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:07,920
planning technician and the building

1754
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,140
official who has joined being here this

1755
01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:11,699
evening if there are any code specific

1756
01:16:11,699 --> 01:16:13,320
questions

1757
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,540
uh these three positions are responsible

1758
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:17,820
for the intake review and presentation

1759
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:20,400
of every development application

1760
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,460
building application development inquiry

1761
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:25,380
and are often involved in the support

1762
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:27,780
capacity for biolog enforcement

1763
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:29,940
our roles are primarily to enforce the

1764
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:31,980
district bylaws however we also create

1765
01:16:31,980 --> 01:16:35,100
administer plans bylaws and programs to

1766
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:36,840
realize the community decision with the

1767
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,739
key terms the cops in the slideshow that

1768
01:16:40,739 --> 01:16:42,300
showed that everything starts with the

1769
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:44,100
vision or the official community plan

1770
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:48,060
which informs our individual plans most

1771
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:49,820
relevant to this community

1772
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:52,380
which in turn determines our regulatory

1773
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:54,840
framework such as the subdivision and

1774
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,699
development servicing bylaws and the

1775
01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:59,699
building bylabs however core service to

1776
01:16:59,699 --> 01:17:01,440
the public is processing applications

1777
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,260
and ensuring that any proposals informed

1778
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:06,840
to the established regulations

1779
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,020
so before I get into the meat of the uh

1780
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:12,000
resolution I just have some additional

1781
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,920
statistics for everyone

1782
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,960
so development has been slowly

1783
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:26,750
increasing from 2018 to 20. uh

1784
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,179
land use applications in 2022 we're up

1785
01:17:30,179 --> 01:17:34,920
to 25 from 6 in 2018. a similar building

1786
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,219
permits issued in 2018 uh were 68 with a

1787
01:17:38,219 --> 01:17:40,620
value of 3.9 million with that number

1788
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:44,219
increasing uh to 92 although later in

1789
01:17:44,219 --> 01:17:45,780
your report it will say Sunday Madness

1790
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:47,340
if there are still 13 waiting to be

1791
01:17:47,340 --> 01:17:50,340
issued uh where the value uh just short

1792
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:52,679
of seven million uh now these numbers

1793
01:17:52,679 --> 01:17:54,600
will be a little bit of a discrepancy

1794
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,520
from the numbers you saw on the BC

1795
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:57,780
assessments

1796
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:59,520
um presentation earlier that's because

1797
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,500
we reported at different times these

1798
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:02,880
reports open for one departments were

1799
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,659
issued and be paid where there's um our

1800
01:18:06,659 --> 01:18:09,540
um uh reported when occupancy is scanned

1801
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:11,219
so we're just a little like that's what

1802
01:18:11,219 --> 01:18:13,910
they are

1803
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,100
so this graph illustrates uh with the

1804
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:18,659
orange bars being the numbers of

1805
01:18:18,659 --> 01:18:21,300
permanence issued as seen on the left

1806
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,280
and the Gray Line being the total value

1807
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,900
of construction then here with that

1808
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:27,179
value on the right the red line is

1809
01:18:27,179 --> 01:18:28,860
showing the linear trends of

1810
01:18:28,860 --> 01:18:31,440
construction value

1811
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,480
uh this graph replaces the value of

1812
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,880
construction with permit fees collected

1813
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,640
um the board not taxation Revenue the

1814
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,739
building departments which is also

1815
01:18:40,739 --> 01:18:44,040
trending in the same fashion in 2022 uh

1816
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,880
the district collected 63 586 dollars in

1817
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,640
building credit fees compared to just

1818
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,860
short of thirty thousands uh five years

1819
01:18:52,860 --> 01:18:55,140
prior

1820
01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:57,179
and finally this graph is showing the

1821
01:18:57,179 --> 01:18:59,699
number of development applications uh by

1822
01:18:59,699 --> 01:19:04,440
type from 2015 to 2022 the colors are

1823
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:06,179
not meant to give anyone in the room a

1824
01:19:06,179 --> 01:19:07,500
seizure those are just the others will

1825
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,239
be a session typically happens

1826
01:19:09,239 --> 01:19:11,820
I like the colors uh so back to the

1827
01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:13,440
council resolution starting with

1828
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:15,300
development projects including a number

1829
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:16,800
of units

1830
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,219
in 2022 there were 99 building permit

1831
01:19:20,219 --> 01:19:22,140
applications uh seven of which were

1832
01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:25,380
withdrawn or expired uh and 79 permits

1833
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:27,420
fully issued with another 13 still in

1834
01:19:27,420 --> 01:19:30,179
the process 11 dwelling units were

1835
01:19:30,179 --> 01:19:31,860
approved in total including five

1836
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:33,960
single-family dwellings in six apartment

1837
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,120
events with three more single-family

1838
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,820
dwellings still under review for 2022.

1839
01:19:38,820 --> 01:19:41,040
seven units were demolished two from

1840
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,440
fire damage four mobile homes removed

1841
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,600
and one unpermitted suiting strategic

1842
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,520
missions Suites can either be

1843
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,500
decommissioned or remedied that option

1844
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:51,060
is up to the honor

1845
01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:52,860
there were also a total of six new

1846
01:19:52,860 --> 01:19:56,640
subdivision applications in 2020.

1847
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,620
this is a list of the single-family

1848
01:19:58,620 --> 01:20:01,679
dwellings uh that were are that were

1849
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:03,239
permits were issued and are under

1850
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:05,040
construction as well as the three

1851
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,570
departments still in process

1852
01:20:08,580 --> 01:20:11,040
in terms of larger ongoing projects we

1853
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,800
have 1091 Main Street or the old Jones

1854
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,260
Market site uh permanent Square shoots

1855
01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:18,000
fairly quickly on this project as the

1856
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,980
architect involved is familiar with

1857
01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:22,440
liluit and belting with fire nuts the

1858
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:24,300
project is working on Final drawings and

1859
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:26,219
Engineering for connections Municipal

1860
01:20:26,219 --> 01:20:28,500
services and with BC Hydro on the

1861
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:31,020
relocation of utility poles which Hydro

1862
01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:32,580
had indicated are too close to the

1863
01:20:32,580 --> 01:20:36,410
structures

1864
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:39,780
uh 622 Main Street has a development

1865
01:20:39,780 --> 01:20:41,219
permit and is waiting for apartment

1866
01:20:41,219 --> 01:20:44,159
student BC archeology Branch uh despite

1867
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:45,600
not being able to apply for a building

1868
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,520
permit the building official and Public

1869
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,380
Works have been working with the

1870
01:20:49,380 --> 01:20:51,659
architect on this project to ensure that

1871
01:20:51,659 --> 01:20:54,000
the project is as permanent ready as can

1872
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,100
be while they wait for approval student

1873
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:58,620
products this is not a service I would

1874
01:20:58,620 --> 01:21:01,260
normally authorize as it is using staff

1875
01:21:01,260 --> 01:21:02,940
time without any Department please to

1876
01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:04,920
cover these tasks however the addition

1877
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,440
of 23 rental apartments and park

1878
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,239
commercials of the area is very

1879
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:11,820
important things clearly necessary as

1880
01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:13,739
such we are devoting staff time to it in

1881
01:21:13,739 --> 01:21:15,480
hopes that will help expedite final

1882
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:18,060
approvals we will still collect primary

1883
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:19,980
fees to help offset the staff time

1884
01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:22,679
employment organization

1885
01:21:22,679 --> 01:21:25,260
the final large project on the books is

1886
01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:27,960
the seniors housing facility at 211

1887
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,659
Hillcrest Road uh the applicants have

1888
01:21:30,659 --> 01:21:32,640
received their zoning approvals and have

1889
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,500
indicated to staff that they are now

1890
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:36,780
working on their drives which for a

1891
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:39,000
complex building of the scale has a lot

1892
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,980
of moving parts and requires significant

1893
01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:42,540
coordination

1894
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:44,400
they are still seeking funding and do

1895
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,900
not expect to break ground for another

1896
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:48,480
few years This Is Not Unusual on a

1897
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,640
project at this scale and they're being

1898
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:56,149
biased not to Russia

1899
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:58,560
uh moving on there are currently 26

1900
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,080
active projects with a value of one

1901
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,540
hundred thousand dollars or greater uh

1902
01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:05,159
there are mostly single family dwellings

1903
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:07,199
although there's duplex in there as well

1904
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:09,780
I've known commercially are the brewery

1905
01:22:09,780 --> 01:22:12,120
at 104 Main Street and the new location

1906
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,120
in the vet clinic of 103 Main Street and

1907
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,340
I am hoping that 2023 is the year that I

1908
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:25,970
can take the chicken restaurant to 716.

1909
01:22:25,980 --> 01:22:40,149
foreign

1910
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,380
topic uh is stop work orders

1911
01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:47,159
nine were to shoot in 2022 however I

1912
01:22:47,159 --> 01:22:49,080
have included one additional on this

1913
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,780
list in the building at 341 Main Street

1914
01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:53,940
as there was a significant amount of

1915
01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:56,219
discussion around this structure I will

1916
01:22:56,219 --> 01:22:58,560
be going through each of these items but

1917
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,960
I would ask Council to understand this

1918
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,199
next point before we carry on a stock

1919
01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:07,679
work order is a tool not a punishment I

1920
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:09,000
understand that it can sometimes be

1921
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,580
embarrassing to receive one uh as you

1922
01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:13,440
can see with many of these projects will

1923
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,600
fire Life Safety are compromised we do

1924
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,640
need a tool to stop or we can get to

1925
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,980
compliance that is clear and enforceable

1926
01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:22,860
most stop recorders are in projects that

1927
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:24,900
don't have a permit there's a lesser

1928
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:26,760
need to issue stock orders on Dodgers

1929
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,020
and departments because the building

1930
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:29,820
official has more ongoing Authority

1931
01:23:29,820 --> 01:23:32,100
Under the bylaw to order changes that

1932
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:33,420
were not approved as part of the

1933
01:23:33,420 --> 01:23:35,780
Department of

1934
01:23:35,780 --> 01:23:38,940
to start we have three four one Main

1935
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:39,840
Street

1936
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,120
the stop work order was issued towards

1937
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,600
the end of the 2021 uh the building had

1938
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,360
a very limited scope building permit to

1939
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,280
replace the roof however it was

1940
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,780
discovered that on the authorized

1941
01:23:51,780 --> 01:23:53,820
internal Renovations were also taking

1942
01:23:53,820 --> 01:24:04,330
place

1943
01:24:04,340 --> 01:24:07,450
[Music]

1944
01:24:07,460 --> 01:24:09,239
videos

1945
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,239
uh fire separations were removed and

1946
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:14,699
plumbing was uh being further completed

1947
01:24:14,699 --> 01:24:16,860
without permits heard that this building

1948
01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:19,020
is what is called a part three building

1949
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:21,540
on the building code and an end due to

1950
01:24:21,540 --> 01:24:23,460
its size requires an archetypes under

1951
01:24:23,460 --> 01:24:24,960
provincial legislation in the beginning

1952
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,480
The Architects act uh this was

1953
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:28,800
especially troubling as there were

1954
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,300
people living in this building at the

1955
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:32,340
time and the work automatically

1956
01:24:32,340 --> 01:24:34,620
increased the fire danger to these

1957
01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:36,480
people I will touch more on that when we

1958
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,719
talk about the do not occupied order

1959
01:24:39,719 --> 01:24:42,540
um the requirements for applying for a

1960
01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:44,699
permit or to address these issues with

1961
01:24:44,699 --> 01:24:47,520
an architect and a code consultant

1962
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,380
um attempts at applications were made

1963
01:24:49,380 --> 01:24:52,140
but nothing that addressed the scope of

1964
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:55,080
the of the underpermitted work

1965
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:56,880
uh the second is the house up on

1966
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,820
Mitchell Road that has started an

1967
01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:01,679
addition to the house without permits

1968
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:04,140
because no one was on site stock work

1969
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:05,880
order was placed in the property however

1970
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,739
work didn't continue

1971
01:25:07,739 --> 01:25:09,659
since that time the owner of the

1972
01:25:09,659 --> 01:25:11,400
property has expressed the intention to

1973
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,440
apply for a permit however no department

1974
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,719
has been subfield state

1975
01:25:15,719 --> 01:25:19,500
thank you 345 the Davidson crescents I

1976
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:21,239
received a software order as there was a

1977
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:22,679
mobile home in the process of being

1978
01:25:22,679 --> 01:25:25,080
demolished without a permit permits are

1979
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,120
generally required by most landfills to

1980
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,340
accept demolition material and there are

1981
01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:31,020
cases of illegal dumping and hazardous

1982
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:32,820
materials with an unlimented model

1983
01:25:32,820 --> 01:25:35,580
demolition is charged the additional

1984
01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:37,739
tipping fees that they don't want to pay

1985
01:25:37,739 --> 01:25:39,840
a demolition permit is also to ensure

1986
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,219
that Municipal infrastructure is

1987
01:25:41,219 --> 01:25:42,960
appropriate decapped so that we don't

1988
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,080
have contaminations the water system the

1989
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,400
owner was simply unaware of this

1990
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,020
requirements that they apply for and

1991
01:25:49,020 --> 01:25:52,140
received a part of the department

1992
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:55,320
of 610 Victoria Street there was a

1993
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,120
significant interior renovation being

1994
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,159
undertaken within a modified mobile home

1995
01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:01,199
again permits are required to accept

1996
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,659
demolition materials uh however

1997
01:26:03,659 --> 01:26:05,460
modifications to mobile homes also

1998
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:07,380
require participation of structural

1999
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:09,179
engineer

2000
01:26:09,179 --> 01:26:12,000
mobile homes and modular homes are CSA

2001
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,100
certified in the factory and are not

2002
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:16,860
inspected under building code as such we

2003
01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:18,300
don't have the ability to approve

2004
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:20,400
modifications but we are required to

2005
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,139
ensure that they are properly conducted

2006
01:26:22,139 --> 01:26:25,080
and signed off by an engineer as with

2007
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:26,820
the last one a permanent list submitted

2008
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:30,669
for an issue Anonymous project

2009
01:26:30,679 --> 01:26:33,420
369 Park Drive this was the

2010
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:34,739
Reconstruction of the deck without

2011
01:26:34,739 --> 01:26:36,780
permits and if you want to see why these

2012
01:26:36,780 --> 01:26:38,639
are a life safety issue then I suggest

2013
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:40,500
to everyone YouTube wedding deck

2014
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:43,139
collapse and Langley

2015
01:26:43,139 --> 01:26:45,179
decks are just as structural as any

2016
01:26:45,179 --> 01:26:46,679
other part of your house and the

2017
01:26:46,679 --> 01:26:48,600
dangerous point of failure in this case

2018
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,580
there are fire separation and issues

2019
01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:52,679
from the underside and the roof

2020
01:26:52,679 --> 01:26:54,719
structure is incorrect the district has

2021
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:56,340
received an application but there are

2022
01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:58,139
still outstanding details that must be

2023
01:26:58,139 --> 01:27:03,050
received prior to issues

2024
01:27:03,060 --> 01:27:06,300
101 horse beef Terrace a full excavation

2025
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:08,219
in preparations for a foundation board

2026
01:27:08,219 --> 01:27:10,620
was prepared on an accessory building on

2027
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:12,780
a lot with no principal use and no

2028
01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:15,840
building permanent application it is far

2029
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,820
more agreeable to stop the project at

2030
01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:19,440
this point than to find it halfway

2031
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,300
completed with a non-permittent

2032
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:23,159
structure may not comply with building

2033
01:27:23,159 --> 01:27:25,980
code or zoning once something is covered

2034
01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:27,659
up in the district's building official

2035
01:27:27,659 --> 01:27:29,820
could not inspect it the only options

2036
01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:31,800
are to uncover the work which is not

2037
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,020
possible in some cases or find an

2038
01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:36,239
engineer who is willing to supply an

2039
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:37,920
official schedule saying that they will

2040
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,020
take responsibility

2041
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:42,239
uh permanent has been applied for but is

2042
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:43,500
not yet but they have issued on this

2043
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:46,970
project

2044
01:27:46,980 --> 01:27:49,500
uh 921 Columbia Street

2045
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:52,260
um and the members who were on Council

2046
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:53,760
previously known that I can get pretty

2047
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,719
interesting around the hillsides uh

2048
01:27:56,719 --> 01:27:59,159
slopes and modifications of slopes

2049
01:27:59,159 --> 01:28:01,500
without engineering oversights of ways

2050
01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:03,060
of causing a number of issues to

2051
01:28:03,060 --> 01:28:05,040
property owners and more importantly

2052
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,560
adjacent property groups water can be

2053
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,540
diverted unintentionally there are

2054
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:11,159
increased chances of erosion lead into

2055
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,159
line slip uh the bank stability can be

2056
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:16,020
infected that would cause lines slide

2057
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:18,060
and rock fall there's always an issue

2058
01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:20,219
for downslope properties the official

2059
01:28:20,219 --> 01:28:21,960
community plan does not permit

2060
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,420
development which includes alterations

2061
01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:27,360
so it's over 30 percent

2062
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,880
unless an engineer told geotechnical

2063
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,400
assessment is undertaken also any

2064
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,620
retaining wall over floor feed requires

2065
01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:37,800
an engineered this is also protect the

2066
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,500
downslope properties or upslope as

2067
01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:42,360
Landslide convenient soon be underlining

2068
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,699
the foundations as well ensuring that

2069
01:28:44,699 --> 01:28:46,560
neighboring properties are not invented

2070
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,960
by the alteration on this property a

2071
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,520
permit has since been applied for

2072
01:28:50,520 --> 01:29:02,290
ambition

2073
01:29:02,300 --> 01:29:05,159
545 Main Streets and I believe this was

2074
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:06,960
the old Mount Murray building

2075
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,900
and it has since uh evolved itself into

2076
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:11,880
a multi-family building however the

2077
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,260
historical records and the primary

2078
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:14,880
Buddhists are quite a big

2079
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,040
uh there was a building permit on this

2080
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,260
property for the deck in the photo uh

2081
01:29:19,260 --> 01:29:21,120
however the stairs were not shown on the

2082
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,100
planets and ended up being built knobs

2083
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:24,080
to code

2084
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,639
this also led to the inspector noticing

2085
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:28,860
that fire separations have been removed

2086
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:31,260
between units along with unprotected

2087
01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:32,760
penetrations

2088
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,520
the software order was removed by the

2089
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,580
owner however the order stands uh this

2090
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:40,440
issue became prominent around the time

2091
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:42,360
of the election the around the time the

2092
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,100
election was starting to ramp up so

2093
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:46,320
staff had not had time to do additional

2094
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,320
follow-up however as there hasn't been

2095
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,480
any Forward Motion from the owner and

2096
01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:53,400
there are life and safety issues The

2097
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,440
Next Step will be to book a formal buyer

2098
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:57,420
inspection to assess the hazards that

2099
01:29:57,420 --> 01:29:58,940
have been created

2100
01:29:58,940 --> 01:30:01,500
at this point uh we will have a better

2101
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:03,239
idea of the district's duty of care

2102
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:06,910
around this building

2103
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,260
562 Summer Street uh this one was a

2104
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:12,239
fairly simple one with new siding and

2105
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,520
windows without permits uh signing in

2106
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,560
Windows or our part the building

2107
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,440
envelope which are addressed as code and

2108
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:21,000
those requirements have become fairly

2109
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,280
descriptive over the years uh however

2110
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,199
the owner managed to apply for a permit

2111
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:26,699
within three days and a part of this

2112
01:30:26,699 --> 01:30:29,820
issue could have been another two

2113
01:30:29,820 --> 01:30:32,820
uh finally 45 station Hill Road this was

2114
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:34,679
in major structural alteration with our

2115
01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:36,780
department a section of the basement

2116
01:30:36,780 --> 01:30:39,360
wall was fully moved

2117
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,460
an excavation around the side of the

2118
01:30:41,460 --> 01:30:43,020
building that could lead to further

2119
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:48,590
undermining if not adapted correctly

2120
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,120
the owner has indicated that the intends

2121
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,980
to apply for a permit but as we have no

2122
01:30:52,980 --> 01:30:55,729
submission because

2123
01:30:55,739 --> 01:30:58,320
so by way of summary uh there were 99

2124
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:08,350
building permit applications in campaign

2125
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:12,179
99 building permit applications in 2022

2126
01:31:12,179 --> 01:31:15,300
uh their nine stock work orders out of

2127
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:17,400
those nine six have started the process

2128
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,900
to get a permanent or have already

2129
01:31:18,900 --> 01:31:21,659
received a permanent so in total only

2130
01:31:21,659 --> 01:31:23,639
eight point eight percent of projects

2131
01:31:23,639 --> 01:31:26,460
received to stop reporter with only 4.9

2132
01:31:26,460 --> 01:31:28,620
percent remaining the Big Brother still

2133
01:31:28,620 --> 01:31:32,820
in the highest scoring into 2020. okay

2134
01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:36,960
do not occupy dnos at the last option

2135
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,659
and are only considered the situations

2136
01:31:39,659 --> 01:31:42,179
where the risks of life is immediate and

2137
01:31:42,179 --> 01:31:45,179
action is not being taken we've had two

2138
01:31:45,179 --> 01:31:48,360
dnos in 2022 both of which fit the

2139
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,659
criteria for immediate professors

2140
01:31:51,659 --> 01:31:54,000
uh three for one mainstream work

2141
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,860
continued in contravention of the stock

2142
01:31:55,860 --> 01:31:57,659
report on the property and without the

2143
01:31:57,659 --> 01:31:59,400
oversight the architect required Under

2144
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,560
The Architects Act

2145
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,719
major unpermitted Renovations have

2146
01:32:03,719 --> 01:32:05,460
reduced the fire safety and building to

2147
01:32:05,460 --> 01:32:07,320
a level where a fire started in any

2148
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,000
drawing event or in the main

2149
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,100
construction area

2150
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:12,719
the fire would have spread to the rest

2151
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,040
of the building faster than the fire

2152
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:15,360
department would have been able to

2153
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,990
respond

2154
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,980
the fire separations and buildings is

2155
01:32:19,980 --> 01:32:21,780
specifically to slow the spread of fire

2156
01:32:21,780 --> 01:32:24,420
a simple Board of drywall can add up to

2157
01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:27,300
45 minutes to spread it for firemen in

2158
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:29,040
this case the drywall between the units

2159
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,560
has been removed while the dwellings

2160
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,420
were occupied which would have made fire

2161
01:32:33,420 --> 01:32:35,639
transmission between me that's

2162
01:32:35,639 --> 01:32:38,639
if not merely instantaneous hard Parker

2163
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:40,199
than one would expect the entire

2164
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:44,169
department to respond

2165
01:32:44,179 --> 01:32:46,739
uh this is not as dubious as removing

2166
01:32:46,739 --> 01:32:47,880
the drywall of the single family

2167
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,159
dwelling single family dwelling is a

2168
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:52,320
single Suite everyone who's living in

2169
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,520
the sweetest knowing what's going on

2170
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,620
when you have multi-family buildings you

2171
01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:57,420
start promoting separation so we got

2172
01:32:57,420 --> 01:32:59,940
fire up here picking up other people who

2173
01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:01,560
are not involved and not aware of all

2174
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,179
the risks that are affected by this

2175
01:33:03,179 --> 01:33:10,669
purpose

2176
01:33:10,679 --> 01:33:14,400
uh the second order was at 177 Davidson

2177
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:24,050
Crescent foreign

2178
01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:26,280
despite years of discussion since 2014

2179
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,320
with the owner and multiple dialogue

2180
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,239
complaints they continue to occupy the

2181
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,280
building from time to time uh without

2182
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:36,000
undertaking appropriate safety repairs

2183
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,739
despite the best attempts the fire

2184
01:33:37,739 --> 01:33:39,300
departments related the dangers to the

2185
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:41,219
occupants the final solution was to

2186
01:33:41,219 --> 01:33:50,350
order the well-date unoccupied

2187
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,500
thank you

2188
01:33:52,500 --> 01:34:06,110
okay questions for staff

2189
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,699
oh counselor

2190
01:34:08,699 --> 01:34:12,840
uh thank you uh and through the way here

2191
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,540
um thank you so much for compiling uh

2192
01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:17,639
this uh this report

2193
01:34:17,639 --> 01:34:20,400
um we had the pleasure of reading I

2194
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,040
guess the raw data in our in our handout

2195
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:30,960
and it's great to hear I guess the the uh the context and and the notes uh

2196
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,060
in your in your presentation

2197
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:37,199
and it is uh it is impressive to see the

2198
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:40,020
increase in development in Lola went I

2199
01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:42,179
think that's uh that's fantastic to uh

2200
01:34:42,179 --> 01:34:44,340
to see that growth

2201
01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:47,820
um it is nice to see the uh the number

2202
01:34:47,820 --> 01:34:51,900
of um uh homes that are being built

2203
01:34:51,900 --> 01:34:53,600
um at the same time

2204
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,040
consider that the only 11 homes that

2205
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,600
were built in the last year and there's

2206
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:58,940
a

2207
01:34:58,940 --> 01:35:03,960
1458 in town uh it's uh that number is

2208
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,179
hardly sufficient uh to maintain the

2209
01:35:06,179 --> 01:35:08,280
housing stock in uh English Community

2210
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,699
let alone a meaningful expand the uh the

2211
01:35:11,699 --> 01:35:13,139
inventory

2212
01:35:13,139 --> 01:35:14,880
um so in that sense it's nice to hear

2213
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,940
that staff is dedicating time on some of

2214
01:35:17,940 --> 01:35:19,679
these larger projects and you know

2215
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:22,320
projects in general in order to be uh to

2216
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,739
move permits along development

2217
01:35:25,739 --> 01:35:28,980
things and and other papers that you do

2218
01:35:28,980 --> 01:35:32,219
that is required to uh uh to to get

2219
01:35:32,219 --> 01:35:34,679
these projects going

2220
01:35:34,679 --> 01:35:36,719
um obviously with regard to stock work

2221
01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:38,280
orders issued

2222
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:42,300
um uh uh I know that you know uh not all

2223
01:35:42,300 --> 01:35:45,239
these orders were issued on

2224
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:47,219
um a project where building permit was

2225
01:35:47,219 --> 01:35:51,239
uh issued uh but still it's uh you know

2226
01:35:51,239 --> 01:35:53,400
10 of the number of building permits

2227
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,040
issued is quite stunning

2228
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,560
um uh later when I sort of read that you

2229
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,300
know a lot of these top work orders are

2230
01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:03,360
relating to demolitions uh rather than

2231
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,620
new new and built uh it uh

2232
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:09,960
um you know it puts things a little bit

2233
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:14,580
more in the in context and um

2234
01:36:14,580 --> 01:36:16,980
uh

2235
01:36:16,980 --> 01:36:19,560
I think ultimately there's uh there's

2236
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,380
still as we continue to see more uh the

2237
01:36:22,380 --> 01:36:25,320
more activity in this uh in this area uh

2238
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:26,940
I think we're still a lot of rooms for

2239
01:36:26,940 --> 01:36:31,440
improvement uh in uh on on uh that's

2240
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,080
where all stakeholders involved I think

2241
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,900
um as you can clearly see that uh but

2242
01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:39,780
everyone has a role to play in this and

2243
01:36:39,780 --> 01:36:43,020
then so uh I'm looking forward to

2244
01:36:43,020 --> 01:36:47,040
reviewing uh uh our building by law and

2245
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:51,239
some of the other uh bylaws that are relevant to this uh this area

2246
01:36:51,239 --> 01:36:53,400
to see what what the district can do in

2247
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:54,679
order to

2248
01:36:54,679 --> 01:36:56,760
facilitate some of those improvements

2249
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,440
and uh

2250
01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:01,440
and the other improvements will have to

2251
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:03,920
come from further educating

2252
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,260
contractors and people homeowners that

2253
01:37:07,260 --> 01:37:09,420
are willing or wanting to do certain

2254
01:37:09,420 --> 01:37:10,920
projects and that sort of stuff so

2255
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:12,360
that's uh

2256
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:16,320
um yeah so that's uh that was my comment

2257
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,199
not a question Stephanie but thank you

2258
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:23,440
big comment that's appreciate it

2259
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:28,310
[Music]

2260
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,179
another comment to make I've been

2261
01:37:30,179 --> 01:37:32,639
receiving

2262
01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:35,580
um I would have sort of complex

2263
01:37:35,580 --> 01:37:38,400
I don't know when you guys get them or

2264
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,800
not and and I haven't got the full

2265
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,300
correspondence so I'm a little bit later

2266
01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:45,719
on we'll dig into it some more and I'll

2267
01:37:45,719 --> 01:37:47,820
be talking to you if I can talk to you

2268
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:51,169
about the program

2269
01:37:51,179 --> 01:37:52,860
what's going on and then we'll just just

2270
01:37:52,860 --> 01:37:58,010
so I have some answers to prepare people

2271
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:03,169
that's been trying to show everybody

2272
01:38:03,179 --> 01:38:04,739
pick up

2273
01:38:04,739 --> 01:38:07,560
I think it's important also to find out

2274
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,320
what other communities are doing and

2275
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,040
online with other communities and going

2276
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:15,840
on the more information looking more

2277
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,000
education we get the more education and

2278
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,420
information we can we can share that

2279
01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:23,520
lady there that we first talked to said

2280
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,880
that our purpose were down 45 she said

2281
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,219
45 or 47 percent

2282
01:38:29,219 --> 01:38:30,840
so

2283
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,300
that that shows something too that we

2284
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:35,100
have we have to have a discussion about

2285
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:38,400
these burdens there's a moments going on

2286
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,400
100 that the military just came

2287
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,820
for that um I'm getting started get

2288
01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:47,930
feedback

2289
01:38:47,940 --> 01:38:49,560
that's really that's what I know

2290
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,010
socially

2291
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:56,209
good information okay

2292
01:38:56,219 --> 01:39:00,540
seeing no further watch gems

2293
01:39:00,540 --> 01:39:02,520
um can I have somebody move that the

2294
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,400
2022 building statistics report dated

2295
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,980
January 11 2023 to be received for

2296
01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:11,750
information

2297
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:15,239
downside abroad counselor Bland or

2298
01:39:15,239 --> 01:39:16,679
vinegar

2299
01:39:16,679 --> 01:39:20,330
Dr Perry

2300
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:27,410
that's 12.1 DBP 22.

2301
01:39:27,420 --> 01:39:29,760
um Dash zero one zero three two nine

2302
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,860
from Hollywood Crescent variance to

2303
01:39:31,860 --> 01:39:33,960
printage requirement and Road

2304
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:35,820
improvements

2305
01:39:35,820 --> 01:39:49,689
in the Southeast introduce this topic

2306
01:39:49,699 --> 01:40:07,679
thank you madam mayor uh DDP 22-010 is

2307
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:09,360
an application to vary provisions of the

2308
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:10,920
zoning bylaw and the subdivision

2309
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:12,659
development servicing dialogue to

2310
01:40:12,659 --> 01:40:14,580
facilitate between one line subdivision

2311
01:40:14,580 --> 01:40:17,460
that's 329 and Hollywood aggressive

2312
01:40:17,460 --> 01:40:19,440
the applicants is proposing to create

2313
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:21,300
one additional lot

2314
01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:23,699
as a panhandle from Hollywood Crescent

2315
01:40:23,699 --> 01:40:26,219
while pen and handles are not always the

2316
01:40:26,219 --> 01:40:29,460
best use of land the 2020 to 2040 ocean

2317
01:40:29,460 --> 01:40:31,800
P has stated that this area should

2318
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,020
remain large rural residential and

2319
01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:36,540
suburb in residential lots with minimum

2320
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:39,659
lot sizes of 2 000 square meters sewer

2321
01:40:39,659 --> 01:40:41,340
extension I think

2322
01:40:41,340 --> 01:40:43,139
given the character design throughout

2323
01:40:43,139 --> 01:40:44,880
the hot farm and the placement of homes

2324
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,820
in the very front or rear properties six

2325
01:40:47,820 --> 01:40:49,980
meter panhandles are generally the only

2326
01:40:49,980 --> 01:40:51,000
option

2327
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,980
uh staff had not been supporting

2328
01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:54,780
Panhandle subdivisions and so the

2329
01:40:54,780 --> 01:40:57,659
adoption of the 20 uh 40 ocp made it

2330
01:40:57,659 --> 01:40:59,460
clear that this was the direction of

2331
01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:01,139
subdivision that's a contingent that

2332
01:41:01,139 --> 01:41:04,739
Community wished to see on the hot Farm

2333
01:41:04,739 --> 01:41:06,600
the variance to the zoning by a lot has

2334
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:07,920
to do with the minimum franchise

2335
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,199
legislation requires that any new locks

2336
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:11,940
have a minimum of 10 percent of its

2337
01:41:11,940 --> 01:41:14,040
perimeter fronting the highway that it

2338
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,360
access to dodge

2339
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,520
however it gets Council and the

2340
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,080
approving officer the authority to

2341
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,719
reduce this requirement as any large

2342
01:41:21,719 --> 01:41:23,639
lock pan handle is not going to be able

2343
01:41:23,639 --> 01:41:25,860
to make a 10 threshold staff have been

2344
01:41:25,860 --> 01:41:27,659
supporting any variances that have come

2345
01:41:27,659 --> 01:41:30,120
aboard the variance request in this case

2346
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:33,719
is 10 to two and a half percent

2347
01:41:33,719 --> 01:41:36,239
there's also a small shed on compose Lot

2348
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,340
2 which is cited in a manner that was

2349
01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:40,199
not conform to the section of the zoning

2350
01:41:40,199 --> 01:41:42,600
bylaw requiring an accessory structure

2351
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,000
to be behind the principal residence

2352
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,639
rather than require the demolition of a

2353
01:41:47,639 --> 01:41:49,800
functional shed staff are recommending

2354
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:51,540
that this section in question be varied

2355
01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:53,100
to allow the building to be in front of

2356
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:55,380
the principal departure to further

2357
01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:57,420
assuage any concerns the building in

2358
01:41:57,420 --> 01:41:59,639
question is only three square meters but

2359
01:41:59,639 --> 01:42:01,920
generally it would not generally require

2360
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,840
a building environment as a low risk

2361
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,960
structure under 10 square meters

2362
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,480
two provisions of the SDS by law are

2363
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:11,580
looking to be buried and required to not

2364
01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:14,639
required the first being a 1.5 meter

2365
01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:16,920
game sidewalk staff are currently

2366
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,080
reviewing the SDS bylaw sidewalk

2367
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,060
requirements and it is believed that

2368
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:23,219
there isn't a call or need for sidewalks

2369
01:42:23,219 --> 01:42:24,900
in the Hoth Barn given the generous Road

2370
01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:27,480
dedication and the volume of traffic

2371
01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:29,580
similarly a one meter wide gravel

2372
01:42:29,580 --> 01:42:32,699
shoulder could be deemed excessive at

2373
01:42:32,699 --> 01:42:36,440
this time staff are recommending the

2374
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:39,960
dbp22-010 be approved amount of marriage

2375
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:41,520
is now appropriate to helping the floors

2376
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,320
anyone who wishes to speak for or

2377
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,119
against the variants starting with the

2378
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:46,260
advocate

2379
01:42:46,260 --> 01:42:50,270
and speaking to variances

2380
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:51,900
thank you

2381
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,179
is the applicant here

2382
01:42:54,179 --> 01:42:56,600
you wish to speak

2383
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,440
[Music]

2384
01:42:58,440 --> 01:43:03,250
names that all sounded good yeah

2385
01:43:03,260 --> 01:43:07,199
we'll answer any questions anybody else

2386
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:08,699
okay

2387
01:43:08,699 --> 01:43:13,189
does anybody have any questions

2388
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:18,560
the water down

2389
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,900
on the hot part yes

2390
01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:24,780
I think so it's um this property is

2391
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:26,219
actually right across the street for me

2392
01:43:26,219 --> 01:43:28,800
and it's and you cleaned it up quite

2393
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,570
thinking maybe yes

2394
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:34,199
um to be a little more specific amount

2395
01:43:34,199 --> 01:43:35,580
of America there is addict with flow in

2396
01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:38,940
the hot front at this time and uh the

2397
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:40,860
um it's water mains that are up on the

2398
01:43:40,860 --> 01:43:43,380
hot bottom are between 150 and 200

2399
01:43:43,380 --> 01:43:45,239
millimeters each piece that requirements

2400
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:48,239
of fiesta is 500.

2401
01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:50,400
foreign

2402
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,520
any further questions

2403
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,940
saying none I'm gonna ask that somebody

2404
01:43:55,940 --> 01:43:58,800
moved that the development variance

2405
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,920
permit

2406
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,780
dbp22-010 for the proposed Panhandle

2407
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:06,119
Club division at 329 Hollywood Crescent

2408
01:44:06,119 --> 01:44:10,520
legally described as lot 43 plan

2409
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:14,159
kh10764 District lot 162 Lowell Atlanta

2410
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:15,960
District to vary the following

2411
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:20,580
Provisions as written be approached uh

2412
01:44:20,580 --> 01:44:23,300
councilor Reeves secondly is second by

2413
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:27,000
councilor McNary all in favor

2414
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:31,430
okay

2415
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:36,129
down to 12.2 GDP

2416
01:44:36,139 --> 01:44:38,940
22-009647 Summer Street or advanced in

2417
01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:40,920
Frontage Department road improvements

2418
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,530
and water upgrades

2419
01:44:45,540 --> 01:44:47,820
uh thank you Matt and the bear the

2420
01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:49,739
requested their names says in rationale

2421
01:44:49,739 --> 01:44:51,320
for DVP

2422
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,420
22-009 of nearly identical to that of

2423
01:44:54,420 --> 01:44:58,080
DBP 22010 that was just considered by

2424
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,060
Council so it won't bother repeating

2425
01:45:00,060 --> 01:45:01,679
most of what I just said is because it

2426
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:02,940
continues to be relevant to this

2427
01:45:02,940 --> 01:45:05,040
application uh the difference in the

2428
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,280
frontage variants it's from 10 to 3.19

2429
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,860
in this case similarly they're

2430
01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:12,719
requesting the gravel shoulder and the

2431
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:15,060
sidewalk uh be buried which is

2432
01:45:15,060 --> 01:45:17,659
consistent with the existing

2433
01:45:17,659 --> 01:45:20,460
staff are recommending approval of these

2434
01:45:20,460 --> 01:45:22,260
parts is there to surprise

2435
01:45:22,260 --> 01:45:24,860
with this application differs from

2436
01:45:24,860 --> 01:45:27,900
dbp2-010 it is a request to vary the

2437
01:45:27,900 --> 01:45:29,699
need to obtain because 60 liter per

2438
01:45:29,699 --> 01:45:31,860
second buyer Flow by upgrading the water

2439
01:45:31,860 --> 01:45:34,860
main serving the property from 100

2440
01:45:34,860 --> 01:45:37,800
kilometers to 150 millimeters for

2441
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,100
approximately 183 meters

2442
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:44,639
the application has proposed the council

2443
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:47,159
identified the water main as a feature

2444
01:45:47,159 --> 01:45:49,199
upgrade project or that Council

2445
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:51,540
established a global service area which

2446
01:45:51,540 --> 01:45:53,460
would see a special levity be collected

2447
01:45:53,460 --> 01:45:55,619
from all of the parcels benefiting from

2448
01:45:55,619 --> 01:45:57,600
the extended service which would be paid

2449
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:00,780
until the cost is recovered

2450
01:46:00,780 --> 01:46:03,119
the current level of fire protection is

2451
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:06,239
24 liters per second but the SDS by a

2452
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:08,159
lot has a minimum of 60 digits per

2453
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:10,380
second this is different requirements as

2454
01:46:10,380 --> 01:46:12,239
provided by the fire and the writers

2455
01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:15,480
survey Service as the minimum standard

2456
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:18,119
single Family Dollars this is also the

2457
01:46:18,119 --> 01:46:19,860
international standards published by big

2458
01:46:19,860 --> 01:46:22,020
International Code Council

2459
01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:24,600
the cursory review of our neighboring

2460
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:26,520
communities show that they also require

2461
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,880
similar fire flow requirements perly

2462
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,760
agreed upon standards Pemberton does not

2463
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,880
give a number but best weapons both mmcd

2464
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,460
and the fire Underwriters survey saying

2465
01:46:38,460 --> 01:46:40,260
that the calculation must be done for

2466
01:46:40,260 --> 01:46:42,900
both uh for both and the more stringent

2467
01:46:42,900 --> 01:46:45,060
requirement will take precedures for

2468
01:46:45,060 --> 01:46:47,040
residential developments there is no

2469
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,600
chance that these requirements would be

2470
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,719
below 60 meters per second

2471
01:46:51,719 --> 01:46:53,880
uh Kamloops since the flow requirements

2472
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,520
of 85 liters per second for residential

2473
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,920
and even mobile homes are higher than 75

2474
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,320
range per second Kamloops does have

2475
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,179
Provisions for new development where if

2476
01:47:03,179 --> 01:47:05,760
new development cannot achieve fire flow

2477
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,940
but it usually involves requiring

2478
01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:10,679
um the new dwellings to have an interior

2479
01:47:10,679 --> 01:47:13,560
sprinkler system installed

2480
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,020
uh Ashcroft to Karen Mills are also

2481
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:18,239
small towns and have the same table and

2482
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:19,980
their subdivision development of service

2483
01:47:19,980 --> 01:47:22,320
to the bylaws that we do requiring 60

2484
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,080
liters per second for single family

2485
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:26,820
residential

2486
01:47:26,820 --> 01:47:29,520
uh generally generally one is composing

2487
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,020
to Barry and engineered safety

2488
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:33,119
requirement I ask that an engineering

2489
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:34,860
alternative can provide that either

2490
01:47:34,860 --> 01:47:37,500
meets or beats the minimum standard I

2491
01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:39,900
will point out that smaller towns have

2492
01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:42,420
been reticent to adopt hard requirements

2493
01:47:42,420 --> 01:47:45,119
for sprinklers spring flooring of low

2494
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:47,100
density residential due to the cost

2495
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:48,659
ongoing maintenance and basketball

2496
01:47:48,659 --> 01:47:50,219
issues that can be caused by other

2497
01:47:50,219 --> 01:47:51,840
maintained systems

2498
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:53,460
staff are recommending that the

2499
01:47:53,460 --> 01:47:55,860
provisions to vary the upgrade the

2500
01:47:55,860 --> 01:47:57,780
upgrades required to achieve minimum

2501
01:47:57,780 --> 01:48:00,719
fireflow we denied uh Matt and mayor is

2502
01:48:00,719 --> 01:48:02,280
now appropriate to open the floor to

2503
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,199
anyone who wants to speak before or

2504
01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:06,239
against the variants uh starting with

2505
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:08,100
the applicants and I do believe that The

2506
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:09,900
Advocates have joined us uh virtually

2507
01:48:09,900 --> 01:48:12,739
today and may turn on the camera and

2508
01:48:12,739 --> 01:48:25,850
microphone at this time

2509
01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:28,570
hello

2510
01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:31,199
hi Hi how are you thank you very much

2511
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:32,699
for taking the time to hear us I really

2512
01:48:32,699 --> 01:48:34,020
appreciate it

2513
01:48:34,020 --> 01:48:36,719
thank you for coming

2514
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,040
um the second thing that you would like

2515
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,340
to address the the council generic

2516
01:48:41,340 --> 01:48:43,669
Council

2517
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:45,659
yep Reuben

2518
01:48:45,659 --> 01:48:47,699
yeah good and thank you Kinsley good

2519
01:48:47,699 --> 01:48:49,679
evening uh Madam mayor and members of

2520
01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:52,080
council thank you for the opportunity to

2521
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,679
speak to the application tonight

2522
01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:57,659
um I'm my name is Ruben Lee I'm a

2523
01:48:57,659 --> 01:49:00,300
planner with Michael learning and on

2524
01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:03,300
behalf of the owner I'm the agent on the

2525
01:49:03,300 --> 01:49:06,360
application and I'll speak very briefly

2526
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,900
to the application tonight we have

2527
01:49:09,900 --> 01:49:12,619
previewed the comprehensive staff report

2528
01:49:12,619 --> 01:49:16,560
and we knew our letter of Russian now

2529
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,800
document was also being present here to

2530
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:21,600
you for tonight

2531
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:22,440
um

2532
01:49:22,440 --> 01:49:25,380
I just wanted to say they proposed

2533
01:49:25,380 --> 01:49:27,239
subdivision

2534
01:49:27,239 --> 01:49:29,760
um does bring benefits to the local

2535
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,719
community the subject property is within

2536
01:49:33,719 --> 01:49:37,560
the priority uh growth area within the

2537
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:42,199
district and it's very um by proposing a

2538
01:49:42,199 --> 01:49:45,480
additional two smaller residential lot

2539
01:49:45,480 --> 01:49:48,139
that would provide additional

2540
01:49:48,139 --> 01:49:50,820
affordable and attainable housing

2541
01:49:50,820 --> 01:49:53,639
options for people who wants to live in

2542
01:49:53,639 --> 01:49:56,040
that location being close to the

2543
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,100
downtown we do understand

2544
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:02,639
there is a requirement to upgrade the

2545
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:05,639
water servicing for a total of 181

2546
01:50:05,639 --> 01:50:08,340
meters in order to provide the

2547
01:50:08,340 --> 01:50:11,699
sufficient fire flow which um which

2548
01:50:11,699 --> 01:50:13,920
would benefit

2549
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:18,000
um approximately 22 residential drawings

2550
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:22,739
uh sorry my my apologize uh less than 22

2551
01:50:22,739 --> 01:50:24,600
dropping

2552
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:28,560
um units on along Summer Street

2553
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,600
um I just wanted to point out the

2554
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,960
existing water line on Summer Street is

2555
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,679
not sufficient to provide the the

2556
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:40,980
minimum required fire flow and we we

2557
01:50:40,980 --> 01:50:43,320
understand we understood and we are

2558
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,739
grave is the city staff that the fire uh

2559
01:50:46,739 --> 01:50:52,380
the safety is number one priority for you know for every resident who

2560
01:50:52,380 --> 01:50:55,739
lives in that area this or without the

2561
01:50:55,739 --> 01:50:59,219
proposed subdivision application they

2562
01:50:59,219 --> 01:51:02,100
there will be a total of 22 residential

2563
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:04,320
travelings that they currently do not

2564
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:08,580
have proper fire protection capacity due

2565
01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:11,460
to the existing water flow condition

2566
01:51:11,460 --> 01:51:13,440
not that we are proposing this

2567
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:15,960
subdivision and is required for the

2568
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,540
owner to upgrade the water servicing

2569
01:51:18,540 --> 01:51:22,380
line to the property line again so

2570
01:51:22,380 --> 01:51:25,139
having that in mind even if we do that

2571
01:51:25,139 --> 01:51:27,360
there will be

2572
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,580
um the residents

2573
01:51:29,580 --> 01:51:30,780
um

2574
01:51:30,780 --> 01:51:36,840
in the north west in northeast of

2575
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,780
Summer Street they do they would not

2576
01:51:39,780 --> 01:51:42,179
have they still would not have the

2577
01:51:42,179 --> 01:51:45,719
proper fire uh protection

2578
01:51:45,719 --> 01:51:49,679
the cost of upgrading the water line is

2579
01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:53,340
significant for the individual owner of

2580
01:51:53,340 --> 01:51:56,699
the subject poverty and it's unlikely

2581
01:51:56,699 --> 01:51:57,659
you know

2582
01:51:57,659 --> 01:52:01,260
um the the owner will

2583
01:52:01,260 --> 01:52:03,300
um upgrade the water servicing line

2584
01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:07,080
himself due to the significant cost

2585
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:10,619
and and potentially the costs are

2586
01:52:10,619 --> 01:52:14,340
significantly more than the potential

2587
01:52:14,340 --> 01:52:15,600
um

2588
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,380
Revenue return if the owner

2589
01:52:19,380 --> 01:52:23,460
um sell two of the three some rural

2590
01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:26,400
residential laws so as a result the land

2591
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:30,119
will likely remain awakened if um if in

2592
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:35,880
that scenario now that are the owner is more than willing

2593
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,460
to look at other options together

2594
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:41,520
working together with the district and

2595
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,320
also the adjacent

2596
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:47,699
um neighbors to you know to make make it

2597
01:52:47,699 --> 01:52:50,040
happen and upgrade the water servicing

2598
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,159
line we understand this Capital project

2599
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:56,699
is not identified in your last year or

2600
01:52:56,699 --> 01:53:00,179
next year in your capital projects

2601
01:53:00,179 --> 01:53:04,020
but we we are proposing Council to

2602
01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:07,199
consider the option to this tablet to

2603
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:11,119
create a cost sharing agreement

2604
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:15,960
among the district the owner and they

2605
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,420
are Jason neighbors who we we understand

2606
01:53:18,420 --> 01:53:21,000
you know is also looking to subdivide

2607
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,119
the the lot into smaller residential

2608
01:53:24,119 --> 01:53:27,060
laws they there's always another option

2609
01:53:27,060 --> 01:53:29,880
to for the uh as indicated in staff

2610
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,060
report to require the owner to upgrade

2611
01:53:33,060 --> 01:53:35,520
the water servicing and create a lake

2612
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,280
Commerce agreement however given the

2613
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,800
surrounding context you know there won't

2614
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,719
more likely they won't be getting

2615
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:45,119
additional lot can be

2616
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:46,139
um

2617
01:53:46,139 --> 01:53:48,060
lovely weddings father

2618
01:53:48,060 --> 01:53:50,280
in that neighborhood so which means new

2619
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:54,300
owner would not get reimbursed from

2620
01:53:54,300 --> 01:53:56,460
um from this Lake Commerce agreement

2621
01:53:56,460 --> 01:53:57,780
arrangement

2622
01:53:57,780 --> 01:54:02,100
and the last option is to to to to to

2623
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:05,219
look at this is to do a local area

2624
01:54:05,219 --> 01:54:06,420
service

2625
01:54:06,420 --> 01:54:09,239
which would require you know as we

2626
01:54:09,239 --> 01:54:15,900
indicated in the rational report list by doing that the The Province to

2627
01:54:15,900 --> 01:54:18,119
thus uh authorize the local government

2628
01:54:18,119 --> 01:54:21,179
to establish a local area service bylaw

2629
01:54:21,179 --> 01:54:24,600
which would which means you know the

2630
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:26,060
um they they they

2631
01:54:26,060 --> 01:54:30,719
affected residents they will take the

2632
01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:34,380
responsible of financially for upgrading

2633
01:54:34,380 --> 01:54:37,320
the water servicing line through uh you

2634
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:41,639
know a multiple options to to pay it

2635
01:54:41,639 --> 01:54:44,639
back to the district uh however this

2636
01:54:44,639 --> 01:54:47,880
will require a 50 of petition

2637
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:55,880
from the affected resonance on summer street so three options and

2638
01:54:55,880 --> 01:55:00,480
we apparently you know the owner is uh

2639
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,179
um waiting to participate in the cost

2640
01:55:03,179 --> 01:55:06,119
streaming agreement or through the local

2641
01:55:06,119 --> 01:55:10,380
area service Arrangement however you

2642
01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:12,900
know by himself to upgrade the water

2643
01:55:12,900 --> 01:55:15,560
service line is financially not visible

2644
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:19,020
at this point this concludes my

2645
01:55:19,020 --> 01:55:37,090
presentation thank you mad at me

2646
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:39,840
thank you very much for taking the time

2647
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,880
to listen to Reuben

2648
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,560
he's been working hard for quite a while

2649
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:47,040
on this with me and I I visited louette

2650
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:48,780
multiple times I've spent a couple

2651
01:55:48,780 --> 01:55:50,760
nights at the tasket Hotel

2652
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,460
I love your the town it's a great spot I

2653
01:55:53,460 --> 01:55:55,800
will be back soon and um

2654
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:58,440
as Reuben said we understand that the

2655
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:00,300
clericals are very important for safety

2656
01:56:00,300 --> 01:56:01,800
especially with the

2657
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,600
changing climate conditions and things

2658
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,520
being more and more

2659
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,219
flammable to say the least so

2660
01:56:08,219 --> 01:56:09,659
it's obviously very important that we're

2661
01:56:09,659 --> 01:56:12,060
all safe for for the future you know now

2662
01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:13,860
and then longer term

2663
01:56:13,860 --> 01:56:16,560
and perhaps upgrading the water main for

2664
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,360
the for the entire area is the best

2665
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:20,820
solution for everybody in a cost shared

2666
01:56:20,820 --> 01:56:21,600
model

2667
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:22,320
um

2668
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,900
however I I this is my my first time

2669
01:56:24,900 --> 01:56:27,900
subdividing a property I new at this and

2670
01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:29,580
learning as I go and I

2671
01:56:29,580 --> 01:56:30,960
just appreciate the chance to be here so

2672
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:39,129
thank you very much

2673
01:56:39,139 --> 01:56:43,199
that the water line from how far you

2674
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:46,850
gotta go did you figure that out yet

2675
01:56:46,860 --> 01:56:48,780
so the cost for the entire water line

2676
01:56:48,780 --> 01:56:50,580
the 181 meters

2677
01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:53,159
yeah I think we came in about

2678
01:56:53,159 --> 01:56:57,890
approximately 350 000 dollars

2679
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:00,179
that was about six months ago we did the

2680
01:57:00,179 --> 01:57:00,900
um

2681
01:57:00,900 --> 01:57:08,570
the modeling on that

2682
01:57:08,580 --> 01:57:15,350
that's why we

2683
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,760
kind of like if it's possible to get

2684
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,280
some feedback from our chief but I'm

2685
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:24,480
wondering in our ocp is there any

2686
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:25,199
um

2687
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:27,000
and I should know all this because I've

2688
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:28,800
been on the house of functionality but I

2689
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,840
can't remember everything

2690
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:33,119
um is there anything in our ocp about

2691
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:36,000
upgrading water lines as we're doing

2692
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:39,360
streets and this that the other and I

2693
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,179
know years ago just because of a lot of

2694
01:57:42,179 --> 01:57:45,179
conflict after the facts

2695
01:57:45,179 --> 01:57:47,760
when things were changed up on the part

2696
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,239
of the stone as charcotics

2697
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:52,739
right so

2698
01:57:52,739 --> 01:57:54,300
um I'm just curious if there's anything

2699
01:57:54,300 --> 01:57:56,520
in the ocp like in the future where

2700
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,619
something will be being done

2701
01:57:58,619 --> 01:58:00,659
um thank you madam Mary the potential

2702
01:58:00,659 --> 01:58:02,159
community plan doesn't get into that

2703
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,199
kind of detail uh with asset replacement

2704
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:05,820
that's what we ask the management plan

2705
01:58:05,820 --> 01:58:07,320
that we'll be doing

2706
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,179
um however the ocp does have the

2707
01:58:09,179 --> 01:58:10,500
development department area which is

2708
01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:13,080
over the entire town specific to fire

2709
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:14,639
protection it requires that negative

2710
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:16,980
subdivisions our registered continents

2711
01:58:16,980 --> 01:58:18,900
on their properties uh so that they

2712
01:58:18,900 --> 01:58:20,820
build Best Buy response practices so

2713
01:58:20,820 --> 01:58:24,540
that does assist uh with lowering fire

2714
01:58:24,540 --> 01:58:25,739
risk

2715
01:58:25,739 --> 01:58:27,719
um unfortunately that's not tied to the

2716
01:58:27,719 --> 01:58:29,340
higher level but it is something for the

2717
01:58:29,340 --> 01:58:33,370
ocp uh this is

2718
01:58:33,380 --> 01:58:36,239
already participated in having that

2719
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:38,460
continent trafficking registered

2720
01:58:38,460 --> 01:58:42,010
all right

2721
01:58:42,020 --> 01:58:45,719
okay we're gonna follow up there if I

2722
01:58:45,719 --> 01:58:48,239
could um get some feedback from the fire

2723
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:50,219
chief I remember reading something here

2724
01:58:50,219 --> 01:58:52,679
I'm trying to find it about the

2725
01:58:52,679 --> 01:58:58,790
unlikelhood of having four fires in ones

2726
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,219
I know okay great

2727
01:59:02,219 --> 01:59:05,280
okay well maybe I I'll just pop in for a

2728
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:06,239
second

2729
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:09,719
um with regards to the OCC I know that

2730
01:59:09,719 --> 01:59:18,360
you know our whole uh trying to densify properties we have

2731
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:20,699
that particular property of the low

2732
01:59:20,699 --> 01:59:23,280
density residential which is a minimum

2733
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:26,880
lot size of 0.04 of a hectare

2734
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:30,060
this property at the time BC assessment

2735
01:59:30,060 --> 01:59:33,659
is point zero or seven zero four of an

2736
01:59:33,659 --> 01:59:36,780
acre which is 0.28 of a hectare and so

2737
01:59:36,780 --> 01:59:41,219
given that the minimum lot size is 0.04

2738
01:59:41,219 --> 01:59:43,739
that would be about seven properties but

2739
01:59:43,739 --> 01:59:46,080
if you had to take away like Road

2740
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:49,679
allowances and and whatever maybe five

2741
01:59:49,679 --> 01:59:53,159
properties so I'd like to ask the owner

2742
01:59:53,159 --> 01:59:55,739
um have you thought about more than

2743
01:59:55,739 --> 01:59:57,420
three properties have you thought about

2744
01:59:57,420 --> 02:00:00,719
five properties to try and recoup some

2745
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:03,000
of these costs and also you know when I

2746
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,500
drove to us there was multiple

2747
02:00:04,500 --> 02:00:06,239
properties that I see because there's a

2748
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:07,739
lot of big properties down there and I

2749
02:00:07,739 --> 02:00:09,599
heard through the grapevine you know

2750
02:00:09,599 --> 02:00:13,260
other people's wanting people wanting to

2751
02:00:13,260 --> 02:00:15,599
um subdivide and Panhandle and that kind

2752
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:17,699
of thing have you thought about

2753
02:00:17,699 --> 02:00:20,159
um kind of getting that neighborhood to

2754
02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:22,500
do more of them and cutting the cost

2755
02:00:22,500 --> 02:00:25,980
because if you take you know 350 divided

2756
02:00:25,980 --> 02:00:27,719
by you know it might

2757
02:00:27,719 --> 02:00:30,840
they might be more feasible if that was

2758
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:32,760
the root so I'm just wondering if if

2759
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,280
that was an option to you

2760
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,739
yeah thank you for your question and um

2761
02:00:37,739 --> 02:00:40,920
we both Reuben and I looked at a three

2762
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:43,440
four five six

2763
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:44,760
I don't think we did seven I think we

2764
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:46,800
did three four five and six

2765
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,739
um law subdivision for the property and

2766
02:00:49,739 --> 02:00:55,980
we arrived at three as being the most in line with what we felt was

2767
02:00:55,980 --> 02:00:58,500
the kind of the community feel in that

2768
02:00:58,500 --> 02:01:01,139
area of liloette in that it may be zoned

2769
02:01:01,139 --> 02:01:03,179
for more high density than three lots

2770
02:01:03,179 --> 02:01:05,400
but at the same time I think it's a

2771
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:06,599
beautiful piece of land down there right

2772
02:01:06,599 --> 02:01:08,400
on the edge of the river and I think if

2773
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:10,020
you were to put too many houses in a

2774
02:01:10,020 --> 02:01:12,719
small space it would lose part of the

2775
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:14,400
attractiveness and they actually become

2776
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:15,960
more difficult to sell

2777
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:18,659
because you would have you'd be creating

2778
02:01:18,659 --> 02:01:20,219
people don't really want to go far away

2779
02:01:20,219 --> 02:01:22,320
from the city and be crammed in again I

2780
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:23,820
feel like if you're going to move up to

2781
02:01:23,820 --> 02:01:25,980
a place as beautiful as lillouettes you

2782
02:01:25,980 --> 02:01:27,599
want to have a little bit of space and

2783
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:28,980
I'm not a developer by any means I'm

2784
02:01:28,980 --> 02:01:30,960
just a I bought the piece of land with

2785
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:33,179
my wife we live in Vancouver and we're

2786
02:01:33,179 --> 02:01:35,040
you know just regular people like

2787
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:36,179
everybody else

2788
02:01:36,179 --> 02:01:38,520
um but my just my internal feeling was

2789
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,040
if it was more than three it would begin

2790
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:42,420
to become

2791
02:01:42,420 --> 02:01:45,360
too crowded to make it desirable for

2792
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,520
anybody in that I think you want to move

2793
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:48,719
to a place like little wet for the

2794
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:50,699
rugged for the outdoors for the space

2795
02:01:50,699 --> 02:01:52,980
and that's kind of what I to me anyway

2796
02:01:52,980 --> 02:01:54,780
is sort of the selling point of being in

2797
02:01:54,780 --> 02:01:57,239
a place as special as the louette

2798
02:01:57,239 --> 02:01:59,099
um so that was my feeling I'm going more

2799
02:01:59,099 --> 02:02:00,960
than three but we did model it I believe

2800
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,659
if we modeled six then there was a a

2801
02:02:03,659 --> 02:02:05,219
strata unit came in into place you had

2802
02:02:05,219 --> 02:02:06,960
to put a road down the middle of it and

2803
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:08,280
that was a whole different set of

2804
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:10,560
permits and variances and development

2805
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,020
issues came with that

2806
02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:14,520
um and then

2807
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,980
as far as approaching the neighbors I

2808
02:02:16,980 --> 02:02:18,780
did actually email one of the neighbors

2809
02:02:18,780 --> 02:02:20,940
and asked him what he thought about cost

2810
02:02:20,940 --> 02:02:23,040
sharing uh

2811
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,300
and what we could do about that I don't

2812
02:02:24,300 --> 02:02:25,619
know how I didn't have any contacts for

2813
02:02:25,619 --> 02:02:26,880
anybody else I haven't been back to

2814
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:28,739
lillouette since but I did think that

2815
02:02:28,739 --> 02:02:31,080
coming up there and spending some time

2816
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:32,880
talking to neighbors meeting them seeing

2817
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:34,440
what they believe what they think and if

2818
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:37,320
they would like to in the future develop

2819
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:39,000
there may be a way that we could share a

2820
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:40,800
part of the cost and lit as a town

2821
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:41,940
that'd be able to share part of the cost

2822
02:02:41,940 --> 02:02:43,679
that way it would be mitigated amongst

2823
02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:44,580
everybody

2824
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:45,900
so I

2825
02:02:45,900 --> 02:02:50,880
I've taken those into consideration and I think that a cost sharing basis is

2826
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,099
probably the best way forward

2827
02:02:53,099 --> 02:02:56,580
if if you have any ideas on

2828
02:02:56,580 --> 02:02:58,380
people moving to a place like louette

2829
02:02:58,380 --> 02:02:59,880
wanting to be close together maybe maybe

2830
02:02:59,880 --> 02:03:02,400
I'm mistaken in my assumptions on what

2831
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,619
people would like but um

2832
02:03:04,619 --> 02:03:06,239
if it were me I think I'd like some

2833
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:07,800
space if I were up there that's just why

2834
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,060
I stopped it through but Reuben can

2835
02:03:09,060 --> 02:03:10,380
maybe speak to it a bit more in terms of

2836
02:03:10,380 --> 02:03:11,639
engineering

2837
02:03:11,639 --> 02:03:15,960
yeah if I may uh assume Madame mayor

2838
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,420
um we we did like uh Kingsley mentioned

2839
02:03:18,420 --> 02:03:20,699
we didn't look at on different options

2840
02:03:20,699 --> 02:03:23,219
different densities number of lots we

2841
02:03:23,219 --> 02:03:25,500
can get from this land

2842
02:03:25,500 --> 02:03:30,300
um we if anything above three loss that

2843
02:03:30,300 --> 02:03:32,880
would require us to do uh to do race

2844
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,820
through a barrel and strata

2845
02:03:34,820 --> 02:03:37,320
configuration which means we have to

2846
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:41,340
bring we have to design and construct a

2847
02:03:41,340 --> 02:03:44,520
private load to provide access to for

2848
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:47,580
each lot to connect to the Summer Street

2849
02:03:47,580 --> 02:03:50,099
and the Berlin Strada

2850
02:03:50,099 --> 02:03:54,420
in a product we are a little we were a

2851
02:03:54,420 --> 02:03:55,980
little bit nervous about this concept

2852
02:03:55,980 --> 02:03:59,340
you know whether that's fitted into the

2853
02:03:59,340 --> 02:04:01,739
existing level of contacts you know we

2854
02:04:01,739 --> 02:04:03,719
may get some pushback from the existing

2855
02:04:03,719 --> 02:04:06,719
residents and and also the uh the

2856
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:10,500
products would require the owners to pay

2857
02:04:10,500 --> 02:04:15,719
a a monthly fee to um to to the to the

2858
02:04:15,719 --> 02:04:18,179
board to the count to the strata board

2859
02:04:18,179 --> 02:04:20,639
to maintain and operate the common

2860
02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:22,860
properties so those are the disc

2861
02:04:22,860 --> 02:04:28,320
advantages and on top of that when we did when we look at the options

2862
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:31,020
of water servicing is the big factor

2863
02:04:31,020 --> 02:04:34,199
came coming into play and in disparity

2864
02:04:34,199 --> 02:04:36,060
for you know in terms of the number of

2865
02:04:36,060 --> 02:04:38,040
densities the number loss we are

2866
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:40,199
proposing

2867
02:04:40,199 --> 02:04:46,609
thank you

2868
02:04:46,619 --> 02:04:50,520
um what is your proposal on um sharing

2869
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:51,719
the cost

2870
02:04:51,719 --> 02:04:53,940
of that three hundred and fifty thousand

2871
02:04:53,940 --> 02:04:56,099
dollars did uh

2872
02:04:56,099 --> 02:05:05,570
to the town

2873
02:05:05,580 --> 02:05:12,410
for this thing is

2874
02:05:12,420 --> 02:05:14,639
the externally muted yourself again and

2875
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:17,520
I'll just start on this if I may

2876
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:18,179
um

2877
02:05:18,179 --> 02:05:20,159
the the

2878
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:22,739
way that these local service areas are

2879
02:05:22,739 --> 02:05:24,960
usually done is it's a cost breakdown

2880
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:26,699
based on Frontage and lot size and

2881
02:05:26,699 --> 02:05:28,980
there's usually some that it goes into a

2882
02:05:28,980 --> 02:05:30,480
determine

2883
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:33,360
um the value of the extended service to

2884
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:35,280
the to the properties

2885
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:36,800
um I do believe that they've also

2886
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:39,540
suggested a more private kind of

2887
02:05:39,540 --> 02:05:41,340
cost-sharing agreement

2888
02:05:41,340 --> 02:05:43,260
um and you can break up the contract

2889
02:05:43,260 --> 02:05:45,119
however you'd like

2890
02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:47,580
um I don't believe anyone's gone so far

2891
02:05:47,580 --> 02:05:50,820
as to get those numbers

2892
02:05:50,820 --> 02:05:54,179
um but they're it would be a prescribed

2893
02:05:54,179 --> 02:05:56,820
formulas they figure out who would be

2894
02:05:56,820 --> 02:05:58,560
responsible to cover was and it would be

2895
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,599
other properties that directly to see

2896
02:06:00,599 --> 02:06:02,040
the extended service

2897
02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:05,760
okay thank you if I may not sorry it's

2898
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,699
true through Madam mayor um adding

2899
02:06:08,699 --> 02:06:10,679
additional notes on that

2900
02:06:10,679 --> 02:06:12,300
um proposal

2901
02:06:12,300 --> 02:06:14,699
um and that it is regarding the local

2902
02:06:14,699 --> 02:06:18,060
area service bylaw there are two ways

2903
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:21,540
one two ways to to do that

2904
02:06:21,540 --> 02:06:23,940
um one is you know you choose a formula

2905
02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:26,639
two formulas one formula is divided the

2906
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:29,760
cost five block Frontage or if you

2907
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,520
choose to divide the total divide the

2908
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:36,000
total cost by number of laws in that

2909
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,199
area

2910
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:40,080
um again you know they're um more

2911
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:42,840
details needs to be explored in in that

2912
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:46,080
option but and that outfit that option

2913
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:50,040
does allow all the effective

2914
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,500
um Property Owners to participate and

2915
02:06:52,500 --> 02:06:57,300
contribute to to make it happen without

2916
02:06:57,300 --> 02:06:59,540
um the ministry of the district

2917
02:06:59,540 --> 02:07:04,500
allocating a budget in doing that water

2918
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:14,330
servicing upgrade thank you

2919
02:07:14,340 --> 02:07:16,980
just quite quite there with an asterisk

2920
02:07:16,980 --> 02:07:18,060
and everything

2921
02:07:18,060 --> 02:07:18,719
um

2922
02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:21,599
so it's noted on one of these for and

2923
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:24,060
against form

2924
02:07:24,060 --> 02:07:26,639
and this I would like to through the day

2925
02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:29,880
or if addressed tweets are fired sheep

2926
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:32,940
it says that Summer Street has some of

2927
02:07:32,940 --> 02:07:35,219
the best water pressure in town and then

2928
02:07:35,219 --> 02:07:38,219
it goes on to saved as the Wildfire

2929
02:07:38,219 --> 02:07:40,860
Hazard and hydrant volume based on poor

2930
02:07:40,860 --> 02:07:43,860
fires in progress simultaneously in the

2931
02:07:43,860 --> 02:07:46,139
district of below about this abuse the

2932
02:07:46,139 --> 02:07:48,060
district only has

2933
02:07:48,060 --> 02:07:50,280
do operate fire trucks and we cannot

2934
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:52,260
support foreign buyers I'm

2935
02:07:52,260 --> 02:07:54,540
curious as to you know the area better

2936
02:07:54,540 --> 02:07:56,699
than any other probably

2937
02:07:56,699 --> 02:07:59,040
and and so I'm curious on water pressure

2938
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:01,440
and is it a fire thing that we're

2939
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:04,320
addressing here or is it falling in her

2940
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,659
home I'm

2941
02:08:06,659 --> 02:08:08,719
sorry

2942
02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:12,360
Pirates I'm unsure that through your

2943
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:14,340
mirror I'm sure unsure of that but

2944
02:08:14,340 --> 02:08:15,960
that's

2945
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:16,619
um

2946
02:08:16,619 --> 02:08:18,659
the statement is incorrect as far as

2947
02:08:18,659 --> 02:08:21,659
truck so we have a mutually agreement so

2948
02:08:21,659 --> 02:08:24,599
in all tones you have actually two

2949
02:08:24,599 --> 02:08:26,940
Frontline fire trucks which are large

2950
02:08:26,940 --> 02:08:28,860
apparatus but we also have one in the

2951
02:08:28,860 --> 02:08:32,040
desert but we also have future excluded

2952
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:35,219
two different examples First Nations

2953
02:08:35,219 --> 02:08:37,380
which also have two more important drugs

2954
02:08:37,380 --> 02:08:41,099
but we also have a mini pumper as well

2955
02:08:41,099 --> 02:08:44,699
as a set very tendon that has funnel

2956
02:08:44,699 --> 02:08:47,580
capabilities that doesn't mean that we

2957
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:49,980
can't fight fires off of pioneers so the

2958
02:08:49,980 --> 02:08:52,020
water pressure that it takes into place

2959
02:08:52,020 --> 02:08:54,360
we can fight off of fire hydrants itself

2960
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,639
so it's not just that we have two fire

2961
02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:00,179
trucks put into the fires right so it's

2962
02:09:00,179 --> 02:09:03,000
bringing in all of our services together

2963
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:06,000
so but I'm sure where that comes from

2964
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:07,380
the one

2965
02:09:07,380 --> 02:09:10,199
before fires well I'm just curious as to

2966
02:09:10,199 --> 02:09:12,540
whether the hydrant does have enough

2967
02:09:12,540 --> 02:09:15,420
pressure again if I get nothing I

2968
02:09:15,420 --> 02:09:18,780
yeah I don't yeah there is

2969
02:09:18,780 --> 02:09:23,089
um again

2970
02:09:23,099 --> 02:09:26,280
the 60 liters per second is a is a more

2971
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:27,480
modern

2972
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:29,000
um

2973
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:31,199
that's not to say that you're not going

2974
02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:33,360
to be Hazel to by the fire with the 22

2975
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:36,060
liters per second that's in there

2976
02:09:36,060 --> 02:09:36,780
um

2977
02:09:36,780 --> 02:09:39,239
but I'm and I wish I were an expert on

2978
02:09:39,239 --> 02:09:40,920
everything I'm not I'm not sure at what

2979
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:43,199
points um where fires engulfed the

2980
02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:45,360
building uh where you require that 60

2981
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:47,040
liters or you can either played off the

2982
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,900
back go um I would imagine something

2983
02:09:48,900 --> 02:09:51,060
smaller would be able to be fought with

2984
02:09:51,060 --> 02:09:54,540
a 24 literally flow

2985
02:09:54,540 --> 02:09:55,199
um

2986
02:09:55,199 --> 02:09:58,619
the the issue here is really that we

2987
02:09:58,619 --> 02:10:00,360
have the minimum standards in the SDS

2988
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:02,280
biolog we've adopted the the minimum

2989
02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:04,619
flow standards um from the fire under

2990
02:10:04,619 --> 02:10:06,119
render survey

2991
02:10:06,119 --> 02:10:08,099
um items

2992
02:10:08,099 --> 02:10:12,540
if it is varies the sky will not fall

2993
02:10:12,540 --> 02:10:15,420
um but then we still end ourselves at

2994
02:10:15,420 --> 02:10:18,080
the same issue of having now

2995
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:21,179
23 uh logs

2996
02:10:21,179 --> 02:10:23,880
um uh that may not be served with now

2997
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:25,860
the addition of carriage official

2998
02:10:25,860 --> 02:10:28,199
secondary Suites

2999
02:10:28,199 --> 02:10:31,020
um there perhaps the the

3000
02:10:31,020 --> 02:10:34,320
amount of risk that that is going to

3001
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:38,699
create is not significant

3002
02:10:38,699 --> 02:10:41,040
however it does sort of set a precedence

3003
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,199
as well for other people can tell them

3004
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:45,119
so what points is the development dense

3005
02:10:45,119 --> 02:10:46,380
enough

3006
02:10:46,380 --> 02:10:49,080
um that we don't consider bearing this

3007
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:53,280
is it is it five is it 20 or is it if is

3008
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:54,840
there a remainder of the lot they're

3009
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:57,119
good service an additional uh 15 would

3010
02:10:57,119 --> 02:10:59,280
be subdivided in the future and to get

3011
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,560
around upgrading and just chunk off

3012
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:03,659
three every few years

3013
02:11:03,659 --> 02:11:06,480
um and that's this is all I'm not saying

3014
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,280
that that's this can't go on here on

3015
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:10,560
this is just examples of things to think

3016
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,420
of while you're considering whether to

3017
02:11:12,420 --> 02:11:14,520
Grant this variants or not

3018
02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:17,400
um in in terms of liability we do have

3019
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:20,280
Municipal liability insurance

3020
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:21,780
um so if anything does come out of this

3021
02:11:21,780 --> 02:11:23,960
and it has been passed by the revolution

3022
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:26,760
rather than just waved on by staff which

3023
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:28,020
is why we've done two of those things

3024
02:11:28,020 --> 02:11:30,480
The Sims are not covered

3025
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:34,020
um we will be covered under their

3026
02:11:34,020 --> 02:11:38,820
um organization thank you

3027
02:11:38,820 --> 02:11:42,360
my question would be are they covered

3028
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:45,060
if there's not enough water like are

3029
02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:48,080
they covered if their house burns

3030
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:51,179
like how how do we know that I just want

3031
02:11:51,179 --> 02:11:53,699
to make sure that if we're going to

3032
02:11:53,699 --> 02:11:55,020
allow

3033
02:11:55,020 --> 02:11:58,739
more homes to be in uh and you know

3034
02:11:58,739 --> 02:12:00,900
where we don't have the water capacity

3035
02:12:00,900 --> 02:12:04,560
to put out a fire should there be one

3036
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,380
um what what happens to the insurance

3037
02:12:07,380 --> 02:12:10,800
for the existing 22 that were built

3038
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:14,040
previously based on Old rules and now

3039
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:16,440
we're we've got new rules and we're yet

3040
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:18,719
we're still we're still allowing that so

3041
02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:22,020
my my concern I don't know

3042
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:24,900
I don't and again not an expert on

3043
02:12:24,900 --> 02:12:26,280
everything right

3044
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:28,860
um I don't believe insurance agencies

3045
02:12:28,860 --> 02:12:31,320
generally look too closely at fireflows

3046
02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:32,699
I believe they look at if something is

3047
02:12:32,699 --> 02:12:35,099
within a fire service area uh they are

3048
02:12:35,099 --> 02:12:38,040
within a fire service area we do have

3049
02:12:38,040 --> 02:12:40,500
um additional

3050
02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:42,179
um methods to switch the bike buyers

3051
02:12:42,179 --> 02:12:44,520
including the water tenders which if

3052
02:12:44,520 --> 02:12:47,280
needed they could be uh I'm sorry I'm

3053
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:49,380
just starting I assume they can be

3054
02:12:49,380 --> 02:12:50,880
called up to residential areas that need

3055
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:52,079
it

3056
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:55,139
um so that they are still serves by the

3057
02:12:55,139 --> 02:12:57,900
fire protection that we offer

3058
02:12:57,900 --> 02:12:58,679
um

3059
02:12:58,679 --> 02:13:01,500
at the risk of sounding Sydney though

3060
02:13:01,500 --> 02:13:03,780
um the issue of insurance is between

3061
02:13:03,780 --> 02:13:07,020
them and their insurance providers

3062
02:13:07,020 --> 02:13:10,020
okay thank you councilor de bruyne

3063
02:13:10,020 --> 02:13:11,820
did you have a question

3064
02:13:11,820 --> 02:13:14,639
um through the mayor can I ask um our

3065
02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:17,579
fire chief the two water tenders that we

3066
02:13:17,579 --> 02:13:18,599
have

3067
02:13:18,599 --> 02:13:21,360
does that bring like does that take us

3068
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:26,400
from 24 to 60 or 80 or from 24 to 25

3069
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,260
like

3070
02:13:28,260 --> 02:13:30,739
can you can you

3071
02:13:30,739 --> 02:13:34,320
we don't have two tenders we have one

3072
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,719
ten oh okay so we have two Frontline

3073
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,760
fire Pumpers right

3074
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:42,000
um and then we have one tender backup uh

3075
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:45,119
out of service vehicle

3076
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:48,000
um I don't know but that calculation of

3077
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,400
equates to would give you that right

3078
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:52,800
so like obviously when we're shoveling

3079
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:56,520
the water we can produce more uh gallons

3080
02:13:56,520 --> 02:13:58,199
per minute is what we're doing right so

3081
02:13:58,199 --> 02:13:59,699
when we're doing calculations on

3082
02:13:59,699 --> 02:14:02,099
structures themselves it's a quick

3083
02:14:02,099 --> 02:14:05,579
calculations on what's involved so it

3084
02:14:05,579 --> 02:14:06,840
depends on

3085
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:08,579
entire building

3086
02:14:08,579 --> 02:14:10,940
portion of the building

3087
02:14:10,940 --> 02:14:13,320
fireworks so let's just see if we can

3088
02:14:13,320 --> 02:14:16,199
overcome right there I don't have those

3089
02:14:16,199 --> 02:14:18,840
numbers like that would augment that but

3090
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:20,159
you know those are definitely things

3091
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:21,960
that we do is we're not getting enough

3092
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:24,480
iron floating so we start implementing

3093
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:26,099
your apparatus you know there's

3094
02:14:26,099 --> 02:14:30,000
struggling technical community

3095
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,940
and go on find alternative buyers

3096
02:14:32,940 --> 02:14:35,340
depression it's like uh different

3097
02:14:35,340 --> 02:14:37,440
technologies that are coming in now the

3098
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:39,119
compressed terrible systems that we're

3099
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:41,219
exploring right so

3100
02:14:41,219 --> 02:14:45,129
okay experiment too

3101
02:14:45,139 --> 02:14:47,639
I'm just something to add that and

3102
02:14:47,639 --> 02:14:50,880
marinate I don't want to sound like I'm advocating the applicants just want

3103
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:53,460
to make sure they can have all of the

3104
02:14:53,460 --> 02:14:55,079
information

3105
02:14:55,079 --> 02:14:57,060
um

3106
02:14:57,060 --> 02:14:59,460
home sprinting down is not actually that

3107
02:14:59,460 --> 02:15:00,599
common

3108
02:15:00,599 --> 02:15:02,219
um they do have the covenants on their

3109
02:15:02,219 --> 02:15:03,239
property

3110
02:15:03,239 --> 02:15:04,920
um saying that they will need to to

3111
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:06,960
build the appropriate Roofing siding

3112
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,820
materials

3113
02:15:08,820 --> 02:15:09,739
um

3114
02:15:09,739 --> 02:15:12,480
the and the staff recommendation is

3115
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:14,639
remaining I'm just going to need to not

3116
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:16,440
approve this particular section

3117
02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:19,260
um and a lot of that is also coming from

3118
02:15:19,260 --> 02:15:22,320
the reports you just got from your city

3119
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:24,300
about infrastructure

3120
02:15:24,300 --> 02:15:26,579
um and infrastructure upgrading

3121
02:15:26,579 --> 02:15:28,920
is awesome to us that is born by

3122
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:30,540
developers

3123
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:32,520
um and that's often a question that I've

3124
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:33,840
been asked whenever we have a larger

3125
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:35,040
development

3126
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:36,540
um is will they be paying for the

3127
02:15:36,540 --> 02:15:38,699
infrastructure period of status as the

3128
02:15:38,699 --> 02:15:40,260
permittance under the terminal

3129
02:15:40,260 --> 02:15:41,460
legislation

3130
02:15:41,460 --> 02:15:42,960
um so this is one of those ways that we

3131
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:46,020
do replace the Aging infrastructure

3132
02:15:46,020 --> 02:15:49,099
um is through the subdivision and

3133
02:15:49,099 --> 02:15:59,030
developments of that by appointment

3134
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:02,880
so then can I ask would it be

3135
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:07,079
is it I I don't want to say normal

3136
02:16:07,079 --> 02:16:08,579
because I don't

3137
02:16:08,579 --> 02:16:11,099
think it will be but

3138
02:16:11,099 --> 02:16:18,780
um for new developments down on vla to take a certain percentage towards the

3139
02:16:18,780 --> 02:16:21,139
future uh water

3140
02:16:21,139 --> 02:16:23,760
infrastructure upgrades that we need to

3141
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:27,239
do so I'm just saying like say we we end

3142
02:16:27,239 --> 02:16:29,340
up throwing it I don't throw a number

3143
02:16:29,340 --> 02:16:33,000
out there but say a five percent on each

3144
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:36,179
property is worth any new developments

3145
02:16:36,179 --> 02:16:38,820
like that and put into a bucket that

3146
02:16:38,820 --> 02:16:43,200
helps the district so that when we go

3147
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:46,559
with that is that an option

3148
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:48,780
um that's kind of like what the the

3149
02:16:48,780 --> 02:16:50,760
local service area is

3150
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:53,820
um learning determining who has what I

3151
02:16:53,820 --> 02:16:57,240
don't believe and thought to to check

3152
02:16:57,240 --> 02:16:59,399
with our finance officer tomorrow

3153
02:16:59,399 --> 02:17:01,859
um I don't believe we can just including

3154
02:17:01,859 --> 02:17:04,439
tax on properties to start a fund

3155
02:17:04,439 --> 02:17:06,000
um to eventually pay for something it

3156
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,340
would have to be it would have to be a

3157
02:17:08,340 --> 02:17:10,019
upgrade

3158
02:17:10,019 --> 02:17:12,300
um that delivered a higher service that

3159
02:17:12,300 --> 02:17:13,620
we could calculate what that service

3160
02:17:13,620 --> 02:17:15,179
would be that would be being delivered

3161
02:17:15,179 --> 02:17:18,059
and only collect this money soon

3162
02:17:18,059 --> 02:17:21,000
um to offset the cost of the increase in

3163
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:23,219
service that they received rather than

3164
02:17:23,219 --> 02:17:26,280
just collecting the same parcel tax from

3165
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:27,840
them to put into a bucket of two

3166
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:31,920
potentially pay something

3167
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:36,120
so we through the mayor um I'm not sure

3168
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:38,880
exactly burglary where mayor hot pool

3169
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:41,820
was going with that but I was kind of

3170
02:17:41,820 --> 02:17:43,859
thinking along the same lines but more

3171
02:17:43,859 --> 02:17:46,260
where the developer

3172
02:17:46,260 --> 02:17:50,030
put up a percentage

3173
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:53,219
of what the costs would be so that the

3174
02:17:53,219 --> 02:17:55,500
next developer coming along would also

3175
02:17:55,500 --> 02:17:58,200
contribute to

3176
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:01,320
this bucket I guess rather than like a

3177
02:18:01,320 --> 02:18:05,219
personal tax individual dwelling but um

3178
02:18:05,219 --> 02:18:08,340
more that the developer like let's say

3179
02:18:08,340 --> 02:18:10,320
he's building three houses so we'll put

3180
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:13,439
in one third or whatever the discrepancy

3181
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:15,240
would be

3182
02:18:15,240 --> 02:18:22,009
agreement

3183
02:18:22,019 --> 02:18:23,519
um exceptional late cover agreement they

3184
02:18:23,519 --> 02:18:25,019
pay everything that we collect on it

3185
02:18:25,019 --> 02:18:27,300
back that's that's contingent on more

3186
02:18:27,300 --> 02:18:28,920
development happening within the 15

3187
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:31,219
period of time

3188
02:18:31,219 --> 02:18:34,559
agreement I hear I hear what um Council

3189
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,500
leave this is saying and that sounds

3190
02:18:37,500 --> 02:18:41,460
more like a cost-sharing contract

3191
02:18:41,460 --> 02:18:43,800
between the district and the developer

3192
02:18:43,800 --> 02:18:47,340
but I'm not sure how once it's installed

3193
02:18:47,340 --> 02:18:49,200
we've been collected from the future

3194
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:50,700
developers if that ever happened it

3195
02:18:50,700 --> 02:18:52,559
seems like a way of circumventing the

3196
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:54,479
late summer agreement and I'm not going

3197
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:56,519
to say yes I'm going to say directly

3198
02:18:56,519 --> 02:18:58,439
into ask a lawyer

3199
02:18:58,439 --> 02:19:01,750
um

3200
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:04,740
but I think there's a lot of uh at this

3201
02:19:04,740 --> 02:19:06,240
there's still a lot of questions that

3202
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:08,399
need to be resolved I think

3203
02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:10,639
um uh um

3204
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:13,620
I think it's law

3205
02:19:13,620 --> 02:19:14,280
um

3206
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:17,719
they were being asked either to uh very

3207
02:19:17,719 --> 02:19:21,059
uh the requirement or not to but I think

3208
02:19:21,059 --> 02:19:22,979
there's there's there are a lot of

3209
02:19:22,979 --> 02:19:25,019
options that are flying spawning uh

3210
02:19:25,019 --> 02:19:27,300
across the table and I think we need to

3211
02:19:27,300 --> 02:19:30,120
explore those options to come forward

3212
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:33,179
with a more clear proposal where the

3213
02:19:33,179 --> 02:19:36,300
applicant as well as staff sort of you

3214
02:19:36,300 --> 02:19:38,160
know find apply the common ground and

3215
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:39,599
say okay well this is this is what we

3216
02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:41,700
could and it may require a little bit

3217
02:19:41,700 --> 02:19:45,960
more of a of a legal or or other other

3218
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:48,179
investigation

3219
02:19:48,179 --> 02:19:51,660
um I am uh as a supportive of the

3220
02:19:51,660 --> 02:19:53,399
subdivision I think it's uh I think it's

3221
02:19:53,399 --> 02:19:55,979
great to see uh more homes in that area

3222
02:19:55,979 --> 02:19:57,960
I appreciate it with the applicant

3223
02:19:57,960 --> 02:20:01,200
choosing for three I I think it's indeed

3224
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:04,140
in keeping with the character of the vla

3225
02:20:04,140 --> 02:20:06,840
um so on I'm really happy with that it

3226
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:09,359
is concerning to

3227
02:20:09,359 --> 02:20:12,000
um uh to note that you know we have an

3228
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:15,359
undersized uh fire flow in that uh in

3229
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:17,520
that uh on that street and uh and it

3230
02:20:17,520 --> 02:20:19,380
does need to be addressed at some point

3231
02:20:19,380 --> 02:20:23,220
it is uh in my opinion unrealistic it's

3232
02:20:23,220 --> 02:20:25,800
just uh put that on the developer

3233
02:20:25,800 --> 02:20:28,380
um uh as it is also unrealistic to just

3234
02:20:28,380 --> 02:20:33,720
put it on the dispute uh there's a bit of a bit of both uh it is

3235
02:20:33,720 --> 02:20:37,380
not the applicants uh uh the applicant

3236
02:20:37,380 --> 02:20:38,819
is not the trigger

3237
02:20:38,819 --> 02:20:41,760
for us to fall under the fireflow rating

3238
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:44,399
so we're not going from 60 to 59 so

3239
02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:47,220
therefore we could say well you are the

3240
02:20:47,220 --> 02:20:50,580
Tipping Point uh that Tipping Point is

3241
02:20:50,580 --> 02:20:54,960
way past uh and I think at some point uh

3242
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:58,740
a prior Council missed that in granted

3243
02:20:58,740 --> 02:21:01,920
applications and uh and whatnot so we

3244
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:04,020
have to backtrack and and take

3245
02:21:04,020 --> 02:21:05,819
responsibility for that for that as well

3246
02:21:05,819 --> 02:21:09,420
and uh but um yeah having sufficient

3247
02:21:09,420 --> 02:21:12,540
fire flows either direct through hybrids

3248
02:21:12,540 --> 02:21:15,840
or through alternative means of tenders

3249
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:17,540
and that sort of stuff in our community

3250
02:21:17,540 --> 02:21:21,300
is uh is very important and given that

3251
02:21:21,300 --> 02:21:23,700
given where we're located and what has

3252
02:21:23,700 --> 02:21:26,520
happened to a neighboring town and um

3253
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:29,640
so with that I I would I would want to

3254
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:31,500
make some sort of emotion I'm not really

3255
02:21:31,500 --> 02:21:33,540
sure what kind of motion but at least

3256
02:21:33,540 --> 02:21:35,520
should provide instruction to staff to

3257
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:38,399
uh to take this uh back with the

3258
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:42,060
applicant to come back with a more

3259
02:21:42,060 --> 02:21:45,250
um

3260
02:21:45,260 --> 02:21:49,859
tangible proposal or uh or is that is

3261
02:21:49,859 --> 02:21:52,140
that can I do that if you would like to

3262
02:21:52,140 --> 02:21:54,899
defer this motion until uh to a future

3263
02:21:54,899 --> 02:21:57,720
date when staff has some time to get

3264
02:21:57,720 --> 02:21:59,939
more information

3265
02:21:59,939 --> 02:22:01,620
to

3266
02:22:01,620 --> 02:22:04,920
uh you know do you just it does sound um

3267
02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:06,720
so I'm like yeah motion to deferral

3268
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:09,420
would be appropriate and from

3269
02:22:09,420 --> 02:22:12,359
what I've heard of the direction would

3270
02:22:12,359 --> 02:22:14,939
be to work with the applicant to find

3271
02:22:14,939 --> 02:22:16,680
some alternate solution perhaps the

3272
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:19,380
solution on site like a supporting the

3273
02:22:19,380 --> 02:22:21,420
homes or some other uh Engineers

3274
02:22:21,420 --> 02:22:24,120
requirements that could be registered as

3275
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:26,220
a as a common implant title

3276
02:22:26,220 --> 02:22:28,800
um that would provide fire safety for

3277
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:31,939
these events without having to upgrade

3278
02:22:31,939 --> 02:22:34,979
not so fun did you have a question

3279
02:22:34,979 --> 02:22:39,840
sort of I it's it's question but it's not uh

3280
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:42,479
through the mayor um I I get caught up

3281
02:22:42,479 --> 02:22:44,399
on wording quite a bit here and I just

3282
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:48,240
want to work out what classifies as a

3283
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:51,600
developer versus a property owner

3284
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:54,600
um it's stated in the forms here that uh

3285
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:59,100
Mr Kingsley is not a developer so if is

3286
02:22:59,100 --> 02:23:01,020
it because it the parcel is being broken

3287
02:23:01,020 --> 02:23:03,720
up into three separate Lots if it was

3288
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:05,880
just one person

3289
02:23:05,880 --> 02:23:07,800
doing it would we still be having this

3290
02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:09,720
conversation uh

3291
02:23:09,720 --> 02:23:11,580
I think about America

3292
02:23:11,580 --> 02:23:13,319
technically everyone who's developing

3293
02:23:13,319 --> 02:23:15,479
land is a developer

3294
02:23:15,479 --> 02:23:18,600
um it's just as as um sorry I said Mr

3295
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:21,660
kingway is it Mr Griffin oh sorry

3296
02:23:21,660 --> 02:23:22,640
um

3297
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:27,120
uh as uh Mr Griffin said he doesn't have

3298
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:29,100
a subdivision before she's done it

3299
02:23:29,100 --> 02:23:31,020
absolutely the right thing by Trying by

3300
02:23:31,020 --> 02:23:32,640
getting a consultant

3301
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:34,200
um to have them to help him on this I

3302
02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:35,280
think it's come up with a good

3303
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:38,520
subdivision plan I love that you're

3304
02:23:38,520 --> 02:23:40,620
thinking about more density involved

3305
02:23:40,620 --> 02:23:43,140
with the hillside against this property

3306
02:23:43,140 --> 02:23:44,939
um enhance the the work of going to do

3307
02:23:44,939 --> 02:23:47,880
it I do believe that this is appropriate

3308
02:23:47,880 --> 02:23:48,780
um

3309
02:23:48,780 --> 02:23:51,240
that was just saying not a professional

3310
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:54,000
development when I hear developer I

3311
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:54,960
think as

3312
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:58,200
building them all kind of idea

3313
02:23:58,200 --> 02:24:00,180
um but anyone Who develops land is a

3314
02:24:00,180 --> 02:24:03,410
development

3315
02:24:03,420 --> 02:24:04,620
I still want to know if there's more

3316
02:24:04,620 --> 02:24:07,319
developers down the vla that's willing

3317
02:24:07,319 --> 02:24:09,899
to you know hopefully

3318
02:24:09,899 --> 02:24:12,780
with others can both one bill that's why

3319
02:24:12,780 --> 02:24:13,740
we

3320
02:24:13,740 --> 02:24:16,680
um through the mayor can we I'm reading

3321
02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:18,660
this thing now and I'm like we can

3322
02:24:18,660 --> 02:24:20,280
approve

3323
02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:21,899
of three

3324
02:24:21,899 --> 02:24:26,220
can we not and then have you work with

3325
02:24:26,220 --> 02:24:29,160
the developer and maybe get some legal

3326
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:31,800
advice on the Blogger issue can we do

3327
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:33,479
that or do we have to defer the whole

3328
02:24:33,479 --> 02:24:34,859
Bank

3329
02:24:34,859 --> 02:24:36,479
amount of marriage is better to just

3330
02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:38,819
defer the whole thing by by approving

3331
02:24:38,819 --> 02:24:40,740
this it's not going to allow them to

3332
02:24:40,740 --> 02:24:42,300
continue

3333
02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:43,140
um

3334
02:24:43,140 --> 02:24:46,319
so it's just the staff timing and

3335
02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:47,939
creating everything I would appreciate

3336
02:24:47,939 --> 02:24:49,800
it if you would just just throw the item

3337
02:24:49,800 --> 02:24:51,540
and we'll bring it all back together so

3338
02:24:51,540 --> 02:24:52,979
you can see if all this wonderful to

3339
02:24:52,979 --> 02:24:54,240
speak about it on

3340
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:54,899
um

3341
02:24:54,899 --> 02:24:58,080
and it is if they did want to start they

3342
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:01,140
could build a house on the property in

3343
02:25:01,140 --> 02:25:03,240
one of these areas where they would want

3344
02:25:03,240 --> 02:25:05,340
um want the house to be in the subdivide

3345
02:25:05,340 --> 02:25:06,660
around it

3346
02:25:06,660 --> 02:25:08,100
um that's not true that they want to

3347
02:25:08,100 --> 02:25:09,540
just carry on

3348
02:25:09,540 --> 02:25:11,280
um all of these variances have to do

3349
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:14,100
with the actual side picture

3350
02:25:14,100 --> 02:25:16,500
okay

3351
02:25:16,500 --> 02:25:26,650
any first questions

3352
02:25:26,660 --> 02:25:30,899
oh I'll just note that GAR number

3353
02:25:30,899 --> 02:25:35,640
there are the numbers uh pairs in the in

3354
02:25:35,640 --> 02:25:36,780
this

3355
02:25:36,780 --> 02:25:39,439
um this thing speaks about hop Farm

3356
02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:42,960
neighborhood uh there's a few other

3357
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:45,240
things in there that uh that are either

3358
02:25:45,240 --> 02:25:48,240
typos or or

3359
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:49,979
whatever

3360
02:25:49,979 --> 02:25:51,660
um thank you madam nurse as I mentioned

3361
02:25:51,660 --> 02:25:55,849
in my introduction

3362
02:25:55,859 --> 02:26:00,240
so uh yes we copied and pasted it yeah

3363
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:05,220
so noted okay can I have somebody make a

3364
02:26:05,220 --> 02:26:08,220
motion that we will defer the

3365
02:26:08,220 --> 02:26:12,380
development variant variance permit DBP

3366
02:26:12,380 --> 02:26:14,819
22-009 for the proposed Panhandle

3367
02:26:14,819 --> 02:26:17,640
subdivision at 647 Summer Street legally

3368
02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:19,319
described as lot

3369
02:26:19,319 --> 02:26:23,660
one planned Epp 105 259 District block

3370
02:26:23,660 --> 02:26:28,260
755 land District to bury the following

3371
02:26:28,260 --> 02:26:29,060
between

3372
02:26:29,060 --> 02:26:32,819
Provisions until

3373
02:26:32,819 --> 02:26:34,439
what date

3374
02:26:34,439 --> 02:26:37,130
um

3375
02:26:37,140 --> 02:26:40,500
as soon as possible when staff can we

3376
02:26:40,500 --> 02:26:42,000
will make every effort experience of the

3377
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:44,280
February 14th uh maybe even people that

3378
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:46,380
believed enough time to speak with the

3379
02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:47,760
applicant in their agent this week now

3380
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:48,660
and then

3381
02:26:48,660 --> 02:26:50,160
um the people are not able to come and

3382
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:52,080
see them to an agreement then we will

3383
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:54,120
put the March meeting I could do

3384
02:26:54,120 --> 02:26:56,220
something two weeks later but we'll make

3385
02:26:56,220 --> 02:26:57,420
every effort to bring it to the next

3386
02:26:57,420 --> 02:27:13,429
suspense thank you foreign

3387
02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:15,120
okay

3388
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:17,160
I just say thank you to all of you for

3389
02:27:17,160 --> 02:27:20,580
your time and helping me understand more of what

3390
02:27:20,580 --> 02:27:22,979
it takes to to do all this initially

3391
02:27:22,979 --> 02:27:25,680
when I started I emailed Kevin Taylor

3392
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:27,060
and said

3393
02:27:27,060 --> 02:27:28,680
a little help what can I do and he said

3394
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:30,300
please get an engineer and work from

3395
02:27:30,300 --> 02:27:31,859
there and it's going to take quite some

3396
02:27:31,859 --> 02:27:34,380
time and it's taking quite some time and

3397
02:27:34,380 --> 02:27:36,359
that seems to be the nature of it and

3398
02:27:36,359 --> 02:27:37,920
it's okay I'm learning quite a bit and I

3399
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:39,479
really appreciate you taking it you know

3400
02:27:39,479 --> 02:27:42,120
almost 45 minutes to speak about one

3401
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:43,859
piece of land in other words I really

3402
02:27:43,859 --> 02:27:45,540
appreciate your time and your energy and

3403
02:27:45,540 --> 02:27:48,359
your enthusiasm and hopefully we can

3404
02:27:48,359 --> 02:27:50,340
find a way to work together and get this

3405
02:27:50,340 --> 02:27:52,680
done in a future that makes everybody

3406
02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:59,330
happy so thank you again

3407
02:27:59,340 --> 02:28:03,530
hey

3408
02:28:03,540 --> 02:28:07,140
guys number

3409
02:28:07,140 --> 02:28:10,200
two zero two two zero one Something Told

3410
02:28:10,200 --> 02:28:12,300
Me bylaw amendment to allow Auto Repair

3411
02:28:12,300 --> 02:28:15,960
business at 175 TG where we serve and

3412
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:20,700
reading and adoption so uh since we

3413
02:28:20,700 --> 02:28:25,849
um

3414
02:28:25,859 --> 02:28:30,000
public hearing thank you on this

3415
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:33,720
um can I have somebody make a motion

3416
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:36,540
I'll make the motion thank you counselor

3417
02:28:36,540 --> 02:28:37,640
de Bruins

3418
02:28:37,640 --> 02:28:40,080
councilor McNary

3419
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:42,780
any further questions

3420
02:28:42,780 --> 02:28:44,640
all in favor

3421
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:48,530
motion Kerry

3422
02:28:48,540 --> 02:28:52,100
okay 12.4 said

3423
02:28:52,100 --> 02:28:55,100
22-004 groaning Amendment bylaw number

3424
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:58,260
2023 deficitors are two tool on fake

3425
02:28:58,260 --> 02:29:01,260
specific peritone and RR one Zone on

3426
02:29:01,260 --> 02:29:03,899
private water and suffix

3427
02:29:03,899 --> 02:29:14,150
back here again

3428
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,740
uh thank you madam mayor Johnny bylaws

3429
02:29:16,740 --> 02:29:18,500
is that

3430
02:29:18,500 --> 02:29:21,780
22-004 as for the property located at

3431
02:29:21,780 --> 02:29:24,600
1321 Highway 12 uh which is part of the

3432
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:26,819
same subdivision uh that created the

3433
02:29:26,819 --> 02:29:29,700
Lots on Horseback Road

3434
02:29:29,700 --> 02:29:31,859
uh the District of little zoning bylaw

3435
02:29:31,859 --> 02:29:33,600
specifically requires that any

3436
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:35,399
properties that wish to have a carriage

3437
02:29:35,399 --> 02:29:37,560
house be connected to both Municipal

3438
02:29:37,560 --> 02:29:40,140
Water and Municipal sewer however best

3439
02:29:40,140 --> 02:29:42,000
practices generally agree that such a

3440
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:43,439
blankets permission is excessive

3441
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:46,439
non-block size does play a factor

3442
02:29:46,439 --> 02:29:48,540
generally when limiting dwelling units

3443
02:29:48,540 --> 02:29:51,420
are not serviced by sewer and well the

3444
02:29:51,420 --> 02:29:52,859
requirements in the standard practice

3445
02:29:52,859 --> 02:29:55,140
manual is that you should not allow

3446
02:29:55,140 --> 02:29:57,420
Carriage homes unlocks less than one

3447
02:29:57,420 --> 02:29:59,460
hectare unless the municipal Waters

3448
02:29:59,460 --> 02:30:01,920
present number one unlock is at least

3449
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:04,140
one hectare or approximately two and a

3450
02:30:04,140 --> 02:30:06,240
half acres and the Builder can prove

3451
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:08,340
adequate separation from their septic

3452
02:30:08,340 --> 02:30:10,920
systems backup septic area in any

3453
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:13,920
potable water source on both their lot

3454
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:16,560
or adjacent mobs then there is no reason

3455
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:18,359
to limit the construction of an

3456
02:30:18,359 --> 02:30:20,340
accessory dwelling

3457
02:30:20,340 --> 02:30:23,100
uh there are some further additions to

3458
02:30:23,100 --> 02:30:24,899
the zoning including allowing an

3459
02:30:24,899 --> 02:30:27,000
accessory building to be in front of the

3460
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:29,640
principal dwelling in front being closer

3461
02:30:29,640 --> 02:30:32,760
to the road not closer to the view as

3462
02:30:32,760 --> 02:30:34,740
well as Provisions for height to allow

3463
02:30:34,740 --> 02:30:37,319
the residential accessory structure uh

3464
02:30:37,319 --> 02:30:39,600
building your structure to be 7.87

3465
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,300
meters wide which is also reasonable on

3466
02:30:42,300 --> 02:30:44,340
large lots of significant separation

3467
02:30:44,340 --> 02:30:46,380
between Neighbors

3468
02:30:46,380 --> 02:30:48,660
uh Madam mayor staff are recommending

3469
02:30:48,660 --> 02:30:50,540
that by a lot

3470
02:30:50,540 --> 02:30:52,680
2023-002 received first and second

3471
02:30:52,680 --> 02:30:54,479
reading in the public hearing was

3472
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:57,240
scheduled for February 14th at this time

3473
02:30:57,240 --> 02:30:59,340
you may offer the floor to the

3474
02:30:59,340 --> 02:31:01,500
applicants only to speak to that project

3475
02:31:01,500 --> 02:31:04,500
if they so choose

3476
02:31:04,500 --> 02:31:07,859
thank you are the applicants here or

3477
02:31:07,859 --> 02:31:09,420
online

3478
02:31:09,420 --> 02:31:13,070
no

3479
02:31:13,080 --> 02:31:18,950
any questions

3480
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:21,780
being none can I have somebody move that

3481
02:31:21,780 --> 02:31:24,720
the District of Lillard zoning bylawed

3482
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:28,260
2018 number 454

3483
02:31:28,260 --> 02:31:32,120
uh amending bylaw number

3484
02:31:32,120 --> 02:31:34,439
2023-022 be introduced and read the

3485
02:31:34,439 --> 02:31:37,020
person's second time at the end that a

3486
02:31:37,020 --> 02:31:39,000
public hearing be scheduled and further

3487
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:40,560
that staff get noticed to the public

3488
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:42,300
Hearing in accordance with the

3489
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:46,260
requirements of the Local Government Act

3490
02:31:46,260 --> 02:31:48,899
councilman William seconded by councilor

3491
02:31:48,899 --> 02:31:51,420
McHenry any further questions

3492
02:31:51,420 --> 02:31:52,859
all in favor

3493
02:31:52,859 --> 02:31:56,399
motion Perry thank you

3494
02:31:56,399 --> 02:32:00,230
13. notice of motion

3495
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:03,540
meaning none of reports from there

3496
02:32:03,540 --> 02:32:07,020
that requirements really quick

3497
02:32:07,020 --> 02:32:10,620
uh December 7th uh going back December

3498
02:32:10,620 --> 02:32:12,180
7th a little bit indigenous support

3499
02:32:12,180 --> 02:32:14,880
steering committee so on Monday December

3500
02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:17,040
12th they presented a business plan to

3501
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:19,140
the provincial advisory committee for

3502
02:32:19,140 --> 02:32:21,359
the recreation of an indigenous port in

3503
02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:23,160
Lowell weather it was a well laid out

3504
02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:25,500
plan but we're still waiting for the

3505
02:32:25,500 --> 02:32:28,020
reply of that so fast forward to June

3506
02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:31,080
January 13th we had another Zoom meeting

3507
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:33,000
and they are looking for a place to hold

3508
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:35,939
this court one day a month so I asked Mr

3509
02:32:35,939 --> 02:32:38,899
daniker to generate a list of willowette

3510
02:32:38,899 --> 02:32:42,540
District rentable spaces that fit the

3511
02:32:42,540 --> 02:32:44,819
requirements which would be a large room

3512
02:32:44,819 --> 02:32:47,040
with a separate small room to the judge

3513
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:51,540
Etc and we would he is going to give me

3514
02:32:51,540 --> 02:32:53,880
that list I think fairly soon and I must

3515
02:32:53,880 --> 02:32:56,640
admit it to a suitable list to Matilda

3516
02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:57,479
Brown

3517
02:32:57,479 --> 02:32:59,939
so they'll be looking for places in town

3518
02:32:59,939 --> 02:33:02,280
on February 7th I think that's pretty

3519
02:33:02,280 --> 02:33:04,080
exciting news

3520
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:05,880
um December 9th the mayor ground table

3521
02:33:05,880 --> 02:33:07,979
for Ontario Health which just really

3522
02:33:07,979 --> 02:33:11,160
reiterated uh the coveted influenza

3523
02:33:11,160 --> 02:33:12,960
seasonal sickness throughout Ontario

3524
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:15,600
hope and encourage vaccination

3525
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:19,080
December 14th and 15th Pemberton

3526
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:22,080
um at the slrd director Vivian Birch

3527
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:25,380
Jones presented the brewery with uh with

3528
02:33:25,380 --> 02:33:27,660
a brief enter deduction to the meaning

3529
02:33:27,660 --> 02:33:29,760
of the animals on the beer cans and how

3530
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:31,740
that came to be it was it was quite well

3531
02:33:31,740 --> 02:33:33,600
done quite fitting as they were doing

3532
02:33:33,600 --> 02:33:36,720
the bird count at the same time so

3533
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:39,479
um and BC Hydro they just feel about

3534
02:33:39,479 --> 02:33:41,399
their goings on which they will do here

3535
02:33:41,399 --> 02:33:44,460
as well I'm sure as they always do uh

3536
02:33:44,460 --> 02:33:46,560
but what caught my attention was they

3537
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:48,420
mentioned how they will be more engaged

3538
02:33:48,420 --> 02:33:50,580
and working together with communities so

3539
02:33:50,580 --> 02:33:52,680
obviously Hydro pumped we definitely

3540
02:33:52,680 --> 02:33:56,040
need to be you know on them

3541
02:33:56,040 --> 02:34:00,060
uh as already also gave us the letter uh

3542
02:34:00,060 --> 02:34:02,040
support for that Reddit Grant which was

3543
02:34:02,040 --> 02:34:04,200
included in our Grant application and

3544
02:34:04,200 --> 02:34:06,960
that was for the main street so I

3545
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:08,760
thought that was supposed to December

3546
02:34:08,760 --> 02:34:11,220
16th with the Historical Society AGM

3547
02:34:11,220 --> 02:34:12,840
where Vera Buffy stepped down as

3548
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:14,760
president and Kevin going forward for

3549
02:34:14,760 --> 02:34:16,979
the elected president Michelle Edwards

3550
02:34:16,979 --> 02:34:20,100
is very uh Johann says Treasurer Eric

3551
02:34:20,100 --> 02:34:22,380
Savers the secretary Paul at Steve's

3552
02:34:22,380 --> 02:34:25,439
Endura our director good group of

3553
02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:26,819
volunteer ability

3554
02:34:26,819 --> 02:34:29,640
December 17th I attended the fire

3555
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:31,200
department Christmas party where the

3556
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,960
awards were given out and lots of awards

3557
02:34:33,960 --> 02:34:35,700
came about it was really great uh but

3558
02:34:35,700 --> 02:34:39,000
two in particular 25 years awards were

3559
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:40,439
given the medals for the government

3560
02:34:40,439 --> 02:34:43,200
where we get late in coming but one was

3561
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:46,260
to Dan sturkin and the other was to our

3562
02:34:46,260 --> 02:34:50,040
very own priority Darren oiki 25 years

3563
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:54,410
and very often into present that award

3564
02:34:54,420 --> 02:34:57,240
December 19th I attended the meet and

3565
02:34:57,240 --> 02:34:59,880
greet with councilor pepeglio with Chief

3566
02:34:59,880 --> 02:35:02,280
the Dutchman and Council

3567
02:35:02,280 --> 02:35:04,439
I was December merry Christmas happy New

3568
02:35:04,439 --> 02:35:05,460
Year

3569
02:35:05,460 --> 02:35:08,880
um January 9th I along with Mr daniger

3570
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:12,540
and Mr Gilbert met with Brandon and John

3571
02:35:12,540 --> 02:35:15,479
the coordinator of the ecpc programs for

3572
02:35:15,479 --> 02:35:17,460
the Friendship Center

3573
02:35:17,460 --> 02:35:19,500
um and the topics are we covered in

3574
02:35:19,500 --> 02:35:21,780
tonight's agenda

3575
02:35:21,780 --> 02:35:23,640
and I just wanted to say as preparations

3576
02:35:23,640 --> 02:35:26,700
are and planning begin for lullaby Fest

3577
02:35:26,700 --> 02:35:29,340
or little Fest I'm working obviously not

3578
02:35:29,340 --> 02:35:32,399
Wilma Fest and apricot fast huge amount

3579
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:35,040
of work uh goes into those so anyone

3580
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:36,660
looking for something to do this spring

3581
02:35:36,660 --> 02:35:38,399
in the way of volunteering see Jones

3582
02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:40,800
apprenticeship Center for loafest and

3583
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:43,260
Carol at Casey health for apricot Fest I

3584
02:35:43,260 --> 02:35:44,700
want to make sure to put that on there

3585
02:35:44,700 --> 02:35:47,520
it's our website too thank you because

3586
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:48,960
it's coming

3587
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:52,020
definitely debrune

3588
02:35:52,020 --> 02:35:52,979
um

3589
02:35:52,979 --> 02:35:55,859
on December 14th I attended the

3590
02:35:55,859 --> 02:35:58,859
orientation of the ndit regional

3591
02:35:58,859 --> 02:36:01,439
advisory committee which was just a

3592
02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:04,740
brief introduction to what ndit does and

3593
02:36:04,740 --> 02:36:06,420
I think what not

3594
02:36:06,420 --> 02:36:09,439
um December 19th I uh along with

3595
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:12,380
colleagues attended the meeting at

3596
02:36:12,380 --> 02:36:15,359
tikrit and uh

3597
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:17,280
with our Council

3598
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,500
on December 31st I attended the New

3599
02:36:19,500 --> 02:36:21,479
Year's powwow at the rec center which is

3600
02:36:21,479 --> 02:36:24,660
and so we were here for the grand entree

3601
02:36:24,660 --> 02:36:28,220
uh or entrance sorry and then

3602
02:36:28,220 --> 02:36:30,720
lots of people from other town that have

3603
02:36:30,720 --> 02:36:32,760
come from the United States from from

3604
02:36:32,760 --> 02:36:34,740
Alberta and that's first episode there

3605
02:36:34,740 --> 02:36:36,899
was lots of folks in town and very

3606
02:36:36,899 --> 02:36:39,439
impressive to see a gathering like that

3607
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:42,420
January 10th I attended Gold Country

3608
02:36:42,420 --> 02:36:45,660
Community Society board meeting where we

3609
02:36:45,660 --> 02:36:48,180
drafted a new strategic plan really

3610
02:36:48,180 --> 02:36:50,479
proficient at these things

3611
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:54,780
it wasn't as exciting over Zoom as when

3612
02:36:54,780 --> 02:36:58,800
we were in council chambers but uh I've

3613
02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:00,600
nonetheless

3614
02:37:00,600 --> 02:37:03,899
um uh it's an interesting uh Society I'm

3615
02:37:03,899 --> 02:37:10,160
starting to learn because there's a a lot of overlap between then

3616
02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:13,020
uh the Caribou to coach and Coach

3617
02:37:13,020 --> 02:37:15,780
tourism Association tow that which is a

3618
02:37:15,780 --> 02:37:18,720
Thompson Okanagan tourism Association

3619
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:21,840
and all these other tourism associations

3620
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:25,040
that all want to Market

3621
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:29,460
in the area and then so it uh the gold

3622
02:37:29,460 --> 02:37:33,060
country has one of the world's

3623
02:37:33,060 --> 02:37:39,610
most renowned Geo tour

3624
02:37:39,620 --> 02:37:42,359
geocache things and uh never heard of it

3625
02:37:42,359 --> 02:37:44,939
and uh but it's uh amazing that

3626
02:37:44,939 --> 02:37:47,880
apparently people fly across the world

3627
02:37:47,880 --> 02:37:50,399
to come geocaching a gear which is

3628
02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:54,319
basically you go hunt for a old ammo box

3629
02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:57,240
and you take something out and you put

3630
02:37:57,240 --> 02:37:58,439
something in

3631
02:37:58,439 --> 02:38:00,420
you take the little like

3632
02:38:00,420 --> 02:38:03,180
spoken with you and then you put

3633
02:38:03,180 --> 02:38:08,340
something and if there's a book they sell 10 000 copies of this book

3634
02:38:08,340 --> 02:38:11,460
about uh geocaching so that's uh that's

3635
02:38:11,460 --> 02:38:12,720
fun so that's that's definitely

3636
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:14,580
something that you know there's a number

3637
02:38:14,580 --> 02:38:17,640
of geocaches here I think five or so but

3638
02:38:17,640 --> 02:38:19,800
uh one up in Red Rock

3639
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:21,660
I think Old Bridge and there's a few

3640
02:38:21,660 --> 02:38:25,319
others anyway so learn lots about that

3641
02:38:25,319 --> 02:38:27,720
um those are my meetings

3642
02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:30,660
um I was also very excited uh

3643
02:38:30,660 --> 02:38:33,840
um about uh the fact that Telus was in

3644
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:36,000
the rec center offering tiger uh

3645
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:39,479
actively connecting people with uh fiber

3646
02:38:39,479 --> 02:38:43,500
optic uh Shaw fiber or Shaw has uh is

3647
02:38:43,500 --> 02:38:46,439
doing the same so uh I don't think there

3648
02:38:46,439 --> 02:38:49,979
is as anyone in town that no longer has

3649
02:38:49,979 --> 02:38:52,340
access to high-speed internet

3650
02:38:52,340 --> 02:38:55,380
most of the poor does and I think that's

3651
02:38:55,380 --> 02:38:58,920
uh we've been always asking for that for

3652
02:38:58,920 --> 02:39:02,100
years and and now it's here

3653
02:39:02,100 --> 02:39:05,960
um and uh so blazing fast internet or or

3654
02:39:05,960 --> 02:39:09,300
uh creepy or creepy slow internet it's

3655
02:39:09,300 --> 02:39:11,280
no longer a prohibitor for people to

3656
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:13,140
move here to say listen I'm gonna I'm

3657
02:39:13,140 --> 02:39:15,359
gonna use this work from home thing is a

3658
02:39:15,359 --> 02:39:17,819
real thing and uh particularly when you

3659
02:39:17,819 --> 02:39:19,620
go to the big cities in that sort of

3660
02:39:19,620 --> 02:39:23,210
stuff so welcome

3661
02:39:23,220 --> 02:39:24,840
thank you

3662
02:39:24,840 --> 02:39:26,700
that's a plan

3663
02:39:26,700 --> 02:39:31,680
oh yeah not much for me for this one

3664
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:34,020
um as with uh most of the council here

3665
02:39:34,020 --> 02:39:36,600
did attend the meet and greet on

3666
02:39:36,600 --> 02:39:38,939
December 19th with the new ticket

3667
02:39:38,939 --> 02:39:40,979
Council

3668
02:39:40,979 --> 02:39:42,060
um

3669
02:39:42,060 --> 02:39:44,399
it was great meeting everybody we had

3670
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:46,680
some discussions there and I think it

3671
02:39:46,680 --> 02:39:49,260
went well and looking forward to working

3672
02:39:49,260 --> 02:39:52,140
with them on other projects or working

3673
02:39:52,140 --> 02:39:55,740
things there but otherwise yep that was

3674
02:39:55,740 --> 02:39:58,140
it Christmas break January's here and

3675
02:39:58,140 --> 02:40:00,180
ready to just get things going

3676
02:40:00,180 --> 02:40:03,950
good thank you

3677
02:40:03,960 --> 02:40:06,240
um I went through a tnrd meeting on

3678
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:09,530
December 15th

3679
02:40:09,540 --> 02:40:11,640
it wasn't all that impressed with what

3680
02:40:11,640 --> 02:40:13,140
they were talking about they never

3681
02:40:13,140 --> 02:40:16,200
mentioned the bullet once

3682
02:40:16,200 --> 02:40:18,060
and um

3683
02:40:18,060 --> 02:40:20,160
yeah they had some

3684
02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:26,450
presentation there

3685
02:40:26,460 --> 02:40:29,160
I made a couple of comments I have

3686
02:40:29,160 --> 02:40:30,840
another one of these meetings on Friday

3687
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:33,300
and I'm gonna I'm just gonna push the

3688
02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:34,380
button so you know I have another

3689
02:40:34,380 --> 02:40:36,780
meeting that's been um

3690
02:40:36,780 --> 02:41:01,250
political foreign

3691
02:41:01,260 --> 02:41:05,210
you're

3692
02:41:05,220 --> 02:41:08,060
welcome because you can't

3693
02:41:08,060 --> 02:41:13,010
I look forward to hearing it

3694
02:41:13,020 --> 02:41:14,460
that's our week

3695
02:41:14,460 --> 02:41:18,349
you know important area

3696
02:41:18,359 --> 02:41:21,180
he's very outspoken as well

3697
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:23,280
um not too much happening over the

3698
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:26,580
holidays December 14th I also zoomed

3699
02:41:26,580 --> 02:41:32,570
into the ndit orientation information

3700
02:41:32,580 --> 02:41:36,600
sessions being told that we would be a

3701
02:41:36,600 --> 02:41:40,020
larger orientation session next week so

3702
02:41:40,020 --> 02:41:42,359
it was a lot of

3703
02:41:42,359 --> 02:41:43,800
um

3704
02:41:43,800 --> 02:41:45,840
I'm not really sure I I don't understand

3705
02:41:45,840 --> 02:41:49,620
why the alternate can't be there or

3706
02:41:49,620 --> 02:41:52,319
because I I to me it would make more

3707
02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:55,080
sense that

3708
02:41:55,080 --> 02:41:57,540
whoever's going to the meeting at the

3709
02:41:57,540 --> 02:41:59,880
alternate should also know what's going

3710
02:41:59,880 --> 02:42:02,640
on in case they have to step in like I

3711
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:04,680
feel the same way with the slrd I don't

3712
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:06,899
understand like you know you build it

3713
02:42:06,899 --> 02:42:08,220
for six months and then something

3714
02:42:08,220 --> 02:42:10,140
happens and your alternate has to go and

3715
02:42:10,140 --> 02:42:11,880
they're just

3716
02:42:11,880 --> 02:42:13,460
thank you

3717
02:42:13,460 --> 02:42:16,680
connect with something exactly similar

3718
02:42:16,680 --> 02:42:19,979
to new Council yes and on December 19th

3719
02:42:19,979 --> 02:42:21,780
I also attended the meet and greet

3720
02:42:21,780 --> 02:42:25,140
object but with their new mayor Sid

3721
02:42:25,140 --> 02:42:26,760
Scotchman or their new Chief I guess

3722
02:42:26,760 --> 02:42:30,720
it's Dutchman and his Council and

3723
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:37,910
shout that you're breaking eggs

3724
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:40,100
okay

3725
02:42:40,100 --> 02:42:43,859
reports filled with the CEO skip this

3726
02:42:43,859 --> 02:42:49,210
meeting because okay

3727
02:42:49,220 --> 02:42:52,880
to new business and go back to

3728
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:55,380
correspondence number

3729
02:42:55,380 --> 02:43:24,290
three was close

3730
02:43:24,300 --> 02:43:28,680
okay correspondence ALC Dash welcome to

3731
02:43:28,680 --> 02:43:32,580
council that's our plan

3732
02:43:32,580 --> 02:43:34,859
um I would just like to

3733
02:43:34,859 --> 02:43:37,080
withdrawal from this letter here just

3734
02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:39,359
being new to the role and everything I

3735
02:43:39,359 --> 02:43:42,180
am I'm familiar with the alc and how we

3736
02:43:42,180 --> 02:43:44,520
interact in collaboration and I'm not

3737
02:43:44,520 --> 02:43:46,200
sure if anybody else especially new

3738
02:43:46,200 --> 02:43:47,760
Council there would be interested in

3739
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,620
just hearing what they have to say as

3740
02:43:49,620 --> 02:43:53,750
how we work together

3741
02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:55,020
okay

3742
02:43:55,020 --> 02:44:02,050
um

3743
02:44:02,060 --> 02:44:04,319
Council would like us to reach out and

3744
02:44:04,319 --> 02:44:07,080
take a month on their offer absolutely

3745
02:44:07,080 --> 02:44:18,090
foreign

3746
02:44:18,100 --> 02:44:40,670
[Laughter]

3747
02:44:40,680 --> 02:44:46,849
okay thank you Mr Taylor

3748
02:44:46,859 --> 02:44:49,920
okay on to media and public question

3749
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:51,600
period

3750
02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:53,819
the meeting is open to questions from

3751
02:44:53,819 --> 02:44:56,520
the media and public seeing no new year

3752
02:44:56,520 --> 02:44:58,800
do we have any questions from the public

3753
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:04,309
hello hello chamber

3754
02:45:04,319 --> 02:45:07,380
um items uh one was I forgot to mention

3755
02:45:07,380 --> 02:45:08,700
this before

3756
02:45:08,700 --> 02:45:11,100
um the Aloha chamber will be having our

3757
02:45:11,100 --> 02:45:13,859
annual general meeting on January 25th

3758
02:45:13,859 --> 02:45:17,520
from 5 to 7 PM District of Lilith is a

3759
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:19,800
member of the chamber and as such you

3760
02:45:19,800 --> 02:45:22,200
are invited um if you would like to come

3761
02:45:22,200 --> 02:45:25,260
and this is entirely optional it's just

3762
02:45:25,260 --> 02:45:28,680
a general AGM stuff and then the other

3763
02:45:28,680 --> 02:45:30,540
thing I wanted to mention just on the

3764
02:45:30,540 --> 02:45:37,140
presentation today about the um the the report on developments

3765
02:45:37,140 --> 02:45:38,580
um I want to make sure this is an

3766
02:45:38,580 --> 02:45:39,840
important topic so I want to make sure

3767
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:42,240
it doesn't sort of flow away and it

3768
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:44,100
might write a bit of a letter for next

3769
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:47,399
meeting but I think now that we have the

3770
02:45:47,399 --> 02:45:49,380
quantitative data which is really really

3771
02:45:49,380 --> 02:45:51,060
important to have that and I think we

3772
02:45:51,060 --> 02:45:53,399
actually shouldn't have that every year

3773
02:45:53,399 --> 02:45:55,380
um there is an opportunity to start

3774
02:45:55,380 --> 02:45:57,720
collecting qualitative data to really

3775
02:45:57,720 --> 02:46:01,380
ask why why are these stop work orders

3776
02:46:01,380 --> 02:46:03,060
necessary is it that people don't

3777
02:46:03,060 --> 02:46:05,760
understand the permit requirements is it

3778
02:46:05,760 --> 02:46:07,620
that people are too lazy to do the

3779
02:46:07,620 --> 02:46:09,840
permit applications isn't that they can

3780
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:12,359
afford the permits some of that a

3781
02:46:12,359 --> 02:46:13,859
qualitative status we really understand

3782
02:46:13,859 --> 02:46:16,859
how can we reduce the 10 percent or the

3783
02:46:16,859 --> 02:46:19,439
10 I mean think about it 10 um stop work

3784
02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:21,600
orders issued from uh in a year is

3785
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:24,060
almost one per month but I think there's

3786
02:46:24,060 --> 02:46:25,800
a lot of qualitative data that we could

3787
02:46:25,800 --> 02:46:28,740
collect to really think about why is

3788
02:46:28,740 --> 02:46:31,200
this happening not just the numbers but

3789
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:34,140
the reasoning behind it and if we can

3790
02:46:34,140 --> 02:46:36,479
get that in a report as well those two

3791
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:38,280
things together we're really gonna

3792
02:46:38,280 --> 02:46:41,180
enable I think the district to to build

3793
02:46:41,180 --> 02:46:44,340
on uh on that data and really work with

3794
02:46:44,340 --> 02:46:46,260
it so that's still really common and

3795
02:46:46,260 --> 02:46:48,660
I'll give questions that's the question

3796
02:46:48,660 --> 02:46:55,090
I have question you have yes yes

3797
02:46:55,100 --> 02:46:59,359
it's a qualitative data on that okay

3798
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:02,100
thank you

3799
02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:06,110
any other questions from

3800
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:07,680
the audience

3801
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:10,319
I don't see none

3802
02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:13,620
we moved to adjourn the meeting the

3803
02:47:13,620 --> 02:47:16,920
regular council meeting be adjourned at

3804
02:47:16,920 --> 02:47:20,100
7 40 7.

3805
02:47:20,100 --> 02:47:22,560
can I have a motion

3806
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:28,630
let me bring something

3807
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:32,160
Mary would you like to second that

3808
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:35,090
um

3809
02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:37,939
thank you