[0:08] thank you
[0:12] also order the regular council meeting
[0:14] uh Tuesday January 17
[0:16] 2023. Missouri public input
[0:24] we'll see you okay
[0:31] hello Johannes here with the little Lord
[0:33] chamber Happy New Year to everyone
[0:36] um I wanted to just make a couple
[0:37] comments today about some of the agenda
[0:39] items
[0:41] um and I look forward to a great
[0:42] discussion
[0:44] um first uh the municipal objectives
[0:46] congratulations looked fantastic
[0:50] um I look I look forward to to see some
[0:52] of these action items over the coming
[0:54] years I'm very excited and I think that
[0:57] was that is really well done
[0:59] um so just wanted to make a note on that
[1:02] um also on agenda item 11.5 that's the
[1:05] report on the stock work orders that do
[1:08] not occupy for development in town
[1:12] um I just wanted to also say thank you
[1:14] for issuing that report it's really
[1:16] helpful
[1:17] um I've certainly put it in the chamber
[1:19] files
[1:20] um and I'm gonna be uh chatting with
[1:23] some people about this and I'll report
[1:24] on a good discussion as well it's really
[1:27] good to have something like this so just
[1:29] wanted to sort of commend everyone
[1:31] support for creating this
[1:34] um and then the lastly I wanted to make
[1:36] a comment on this letter from the cfib
[1:39] so that's the Canadian Federation of
[1:41] Independent businesses
[1:43] um this is something that came up during
[1:45] our last Network call with the Obesity
[1:48] Chamber of Commerce and unfortunately I
[1:51] just wanted to sort of highlight here
[1:53] that the phrasing that they're using in
[1:55] this letter is is a bit unfortunate they
[1:58] call themselves the largest non-profit
[2:01] non-partisan organization exclusively
[2:03] representing the interests small
[2:05] medium-sized independent businesses at
[2:08] all levels of government and that's uh
[2:10] and that's something we we discussed and
[2:12] I sort of just want to highlight that
[2:14] that's not true
[2:16] um there are other organizations like
[2:18] the BC Chamber of Commerce and the
[2:20] Canadian Chamber of Commerce that do
[2:22] exactly uh or do similar work to the to
[2:24] the Canadian Federation of Independent
[2:26] businesses and um while the BC chamber
[2:30] which is a decentralized Association of
[2:32] 100 chambers of Commerce in BC is is not
[2:38] as often in the news and a little more
[2:39] quieter I think they work that they do
[2:42] is
[2:43] um it's really helpful for me as a local
[2:45] chamber here and uh and and and for for
[2:49] the other Chambers in this province as
[2:51] well so I just kind of wanted to
[2:52] highlight this we didn't send out a
[2:54] fancy letter but uh but it it irked um
[2:58] we have a network call every two weeks
[3:00] with 100 Chambers in BC and it does a
[3:03] little bit that that was the language
[3:05] that was chosen so um just wanted to
[3:07] mention those three things I'm looking
[3:09] forward to a great meeting thank you
[3:14] any further public interest
[3:20] paying none I will move to 3.1 and I
[3:24] have a motion that the January 17 2023
[3:27] regular council meeting agenda be
[3:30] adopted
[3:32] counselor leave second by councilor the
[3:35] group
[3:36] all in favor
[3:39] okay uh delegation we all recently
[3:43] received our tax assessment in the mail
[3:45] we have a delegation tonight from BC
[3:47] assessment Authority
[3:49] Mr Taylor is that on the line thank you
[3:52] Tracy if you want to unmute
[3:55] hi there thanks for having me I am just
[3:58] going to share my screen here if I can
[4:03] um
[4:16] uh two minutes sorry
[4:20] foreign
[4:38] lost my screen here
[4:43] and two convert the screen one
[4:54] foreign
[4:58] for some reason it is not allowing me to
[5:01] share let me just
[5:03] Tracy I can pull it up here okay
[5:07] excellent
[5:10] I see what you have
[5:11] managed to get it just stuck on
[5:15] the page here so there we
[5:19] go
[5:20] all right so I will just start by saying
[5:22] that uh thank you for having me and I am
[5:25] on the traditional territories of the
[5:27] Shrek Nation
[5:29] um and my name is Tracy shimko and I'm
[5:31] with BC assessment I am the acting
[5:32] assessor for the Thompson Okanagan
[5:34] region
[5:36] um and I will be presenting today uh
[5:39] about BC assessment our evaluation
[5:41] classification and exemptions our
[5:43] assessment cycle key dates relationships
[5:47] between assessments and taxes the 2023
[5:50] assessment rule overview our appeal
[5:52] process and collaboration with BC
[5:55] assessment
[5:56] so who we are BC assessment was
[5:59] established in 1974 under the assessment
[6:01] Authority Act we were established in
[6:04] response to the need for a fair
[6:05] independent organization that valued all
[6:08] properties in the province a provincial
[6:10] Crown Corporation with independent
[6:13] taxing Authority was established in that
[6:15] specie assessment as we know it today
[6:17] the value of all real estate is on an
[6:20] annual basis on the provincial role and
[6:22] it provides the foundation for local and
[6:24] provincial taxing authorities to finance
[6:26] communities with billions of dollars of
[6:28] property tax revenue
[6:31] our assessment role is annual and we and
[6:35] it does provide stability predictability
[6:37] and a base for all really property
[6:39] taxation in British Columbia this
[6:42] represents 2.16 million properties with
[6:44] a total value of over 2.72 trillion
[6:47] dollars provincially it identifies
[6:50] ownership value classification exemption
[6:53] status if any for each property in the
[6:56] province it provides a stable base for
[6:59] local governments and taxing authorities
[7:01] to raise billions of dollars annually in
[7:04] property taxes for schools and local
[7:06] services
[7:08] BC assessment does have a commitment to
[7:11] all British Columbians our vision is to
[7:13] provide a dynamic and reliable
[7:15] assessment service
[7:16] that supports strong and vibrant
[7:18] communities in British Columbia our
[7:21] mission is to create uniform assessments
[7:23] and trusted property information and we
[7:25] do have a an extensive customer service
[7:28] commitment as well we provide open and
[7:30] transparent data fair and accurate
[7:33] assessments timely and accessible
[7:35] assessments and we're knowledgeable and
[7:38] respectful and we're Innovative and
[7:39] collaborative
[7:41] our partners are Property Owners those
[7:45] include residential non-residential
[7:47] market and non-market owners we are
[7:51] partners with local governments and
[7:52] Indigenous Nations and we're also
[7:55] partners with the provincial government
[7:56] and we do fall under the Ministry of
[7:58] Finance under honorable Catherine Conroy
[8:04] how we value different properties we
[8:06] have residential industrial commercial
[8:08] and investment and legislative
[8:10] properties for residential and the icni
[8:13] properties those are a market value
[8:15] approach based on July 1st of the
[8:18] previous year we use a October 31st
[8:21] physical condition and permitted use
[8:23] date
[8:24] and when we look at Value we consider
[8:26] present use location physical factors
[8:28] the cost to replace revenue and Rental
[8:31] selling price of land and improvements
[8:33] and comparable land and improvements for
[8:36] legislative values we use prescribed
[8:38] rates and cost manuals that are set
[8:41] formulas and rules and principles for
[8:43] the calculation of properties such as
[8:45] Railways Farms major industry managed
[8:48] Forest electrical access
[8:50] Etc
[8:52] the foundation of market value is really
[8:54] a highest and best use it looks at what
[8:57] is the reasonable probable use of a
[8:59] property that is physically possible
[9:01] legally permissible financially feasible
[9:04] and maximally productive what that means
[9:07] is that when we look at the physical
[9:09] possibility we look at what are the
[9:11] constraints what how much can you build
[9:14] and then we look to Legal permissibility
[9:17] so what is the zoning are there any land
[9:19] use controls restrictive covenants that
[9:22] sort of thing and then we look to the
[9:24] financial feasibility so what would
[9:26] generate the biggest return
[9:28] and then based on the three above we
[9:30] look at what would be the highest or
[9:32] most maximally productive use of that
[9:35] property
[9:38] communities are changing and land uses
[9:40] do affect market value so local
[9:42] governments develop ocps and change
[9:45] which results in zoning changes and that
[9:48] in in effect makes Redevelopment occur
[9:52] and then there's market demand for that
[9:54] Redevelopment and ultimately we provide
[9:56] an assessment that changes over time
[9:58] based on those land use of controls
[10:03] um exemptions
[10:05] uh how we classify properties there are
[10:09] nine property classes that we use and we
[10:12] apply this is a property class
[10:14] regulation that's prescribed by the
[10:16] government we have residential property
[10:18] class which is our biggest property
[10:20] class followed by uh class six which is
[10:23] business and other and then class five
[10:26] light industrial and then we have major
[10:29] industry utilities Supportive Housing
[10:31] manage forest recreation and non-profit
[10:34] and farmland
[10:37] foreign
[10:38] exemptions to properties which really
[10:42] means that we release a property owner
[10:44] from paying all or a portion of those
[10:46] taxes there are four major exemptions
[10:50] that are applied permissive exemptions
[10:52] statutory exemptions revitalization
[10:55] exemptions and ALR exemptions statutory
[10:58] and ALR exemptions are automatically
[11:00] applied by BC assessment but we do use
[11:04] the Community Charter that gives us the
[11:07] legislative policies that set out those
[11:09] exemptions and then permissive
[11:11] exemptions and revitalization exemptions
[11:13] are given to BC assessment by the local
[11:16] taxing Authority and those are granted
[11:19] through bylaws each year
[11:23] our assessment cycle is very uh stable
[11:26] so January 1st to 31st we have inquiry
[11:30] period what that really means is
[11:32] Property Owners get their assessment
[11:34] they can call BC assessment and they can
[11:37] inquire about how their assessment was
[11:39] um how we came up with the assessed
[11:41] value and if they choose to dispute
[11:43] their assessment they can appeal their
[11:45] assessment by January 31st February 1st
[11:49] to March 31st is the hearing period so
[11:52] if a person does choose to appeal their
[11:54] assessment they will attend a part
[11:58] hearing and those that typically is
[12:02] February 1st to March 15th and then by
[12:05] March 17th we have any revisions keyed
[12:08] so that we can provide municipalities
[12:09] with a revised role by April 7th
[12:12] April 1st to September 30th is where we
[12:16] do most of our work on new construction
[12:19] we look at sales we also have our PAB
[12:23] deadline which is the second level of
[12:25] appeal and that's April 30th and we're
[12:27] also looking at what's transacting in
[12:29] the in the market for the July 1st
[12:31] valuation date
[12:33] um and then October 1st to December 31st
[12:36] is when we review any properties for
[12:38] physical condition and permitted use we
[12:41] also reflect ownership as of November
[12:43] 30th and we're setting the role so that
[12:45] we can provide assessment notices in the
[12:48] mail by December 31st
[12:51] so how what is the relationship between
[12:53] assessment and taxes so you get your
[12:56] assessed value and that's multiplied by
[12:58] the property tax rate which is set in
[13:00] the spring by taxing authorities that
[13:02] number is divided by a thousand and
[13:04] that's the property taxes that you owe
[13:08] a lot of people are concerned about
[13:10] increases in their assessment and how
[13:12] that might impact
[13:14] their property taxes it isn't typically
[13:17] a one-to-one ratio so essentially what
[13:20] happens is that if you if your property
[13:23] changes in value above or below the
[13:27] average change for your property class
[13:29] you may see a decrease or increase or if
[13:32] you have if you're at the average change
[13:34] you likely won't see much of a tax
[13:36] increase at all
[13:40] our assessment role overview so for 2023
[13:44] the total increase from 2022 on the
[13:48] provincial role was 12 increase that
[13:51] represents a 2.72 trillion dollar amount
[13:53] in value
[13:55] we had a decrease in the total amount of
[13:57] non-market change or new construction
[13:59] that we added So eventually we added
[14:02] 33.52 billion dollars
[14:04] and then our residential value increased
[14:07] which is class 1 to 2.1 trillion dollar
[14:10] which represented a 77 increase the
[14:14] total properties assessed for 2023 went
[14:17] up one percent to 2.16 million
[14:20] properties
[14:23] for lillouette we have uh an increase of
[14:27] 8.5 percent in total value so the total
[14:30] assessed value for the lillouette roll
[14:32] is 637 million dollars we had a drop in
[14:36] non-market change so we almost thought
[14:38] we almost collected less or we collected
[14:40] almost less than half of what we did
[14:42] last year
[14:44] um with 3.8 million dollars of new
[14:46] construction added to the roll that was
[14:48] primarily residential and that was
[14:50] fairly stable year to year it was uh the
[14:53] commercial and Recreation nonprofit
[14:56] where we saw some substantial building
[14:58] in 2022 but not in 2023
[15:02] for residential value you're at 460
[15:06] million dollars which represents 86.9
[15:08] percent of your role and the total folio
[15:11] count didn't change year over year
[15:13] you're still at 1458 properties
[15:19] for the completed role we're showing
[15:22] single-family residential the typical
[15:24] change is between 10 and 20 percent for
[15:27] strata residential it's 15 to 25 percent
[15:30] and for commercial and Industrial
[15:32] properties that are done on Market rates
[15:34] it's 10 to 20 percent
[15:37] the appeal process so as I mentioned
[15:40] before right now we're in inquiry period
[15:42] we have owners that contact VC
[15:46] assessment if they have questions and
[15:48] they have the ability to appeal their
[15:50] assessment by January 31st at that time
[15:53] there's an independent review which is
[15:55] called the property assessment review
[15:57] panel these are telephone
[16:00] um
[16:01] panels where the property owner and BC
[16:04] assessment upload data to a government
[16:07] website that is a third-party or a
[16:10] neutral parting site and we share
[16:13] information and then the panel reviews
[16:15] all of the information and makes a
[16:17] decision February 2nd to March 15th is
[16:20] when those hearings occur and by April
[16:22] 30th is the deadline for the second
[16:24] level of appeal if a property owner
[16:26] isn't satisfied with the first level of
[16:28] appeal and that's April 30th
[16:32] the rule acceptance so what this means
[16:35] is how many properties appeal each year
[16:37] so as you can see the two light blue
[16:40] lines are the province and Kamloops
[16:42] which Trend pretty closely lillouette is
[16:45] a little bit more volatile given that it
[16:48] is a smaller community and is more
[16:49] impacted by change however your role
[16:52] acceptance is always between 97 and 100
[16:55] so that that's actually a nice tight
[16:58] number which means that your total value
[17:00] roll value isn't changing much so that
[17:03] leads to the role the completed role to
[17:06] the revised role or how stable Your Role
[17:08] is and it sort of translates the same as
[17:11] the acceptance rate so in 2020 we had a
[17:15] high appeal level so we did lose a
[17:17] little bit more off the roll through
[17:18] those appeals but typically for
[17:21] lillouette you're not losing very much
[17:23] between the completed role in the
[17:24] revised role
[17:26] uh collaborating with BC assessment
[17:30] so it is our mandate to collaborate and
[17:34] make sure we're we're doing everything
[17:35] that we can to inform British Columbians
[17:38] across the province we believe in
[17:40] sharing information and working together
[17:41] with local governments so that we can
[17:44] have those Fair Equitable property
[17:46] assessments we can maintain a stable and
[17:49] predictable assessment role we can
[17:51] optimize property tax levies and
[17:53] collecting by taxing authorities and we
[17:55] can increase citizen awareness of
[17:57] property assessment and Taxation and how
[18:00] we do that
[18:03] um the taxing Authority information
[18:04] sharing we have a Citrix share file that
[18:08] luluep participates in that's how we
[18:10] receive building permits
[18:12] um we also can accept address changes
[18:15] building plans land use control
[18:17] amendments development applications
[18:19] permissive and revitalization exemptions
[18:22] and occupiers and leases of Civic
[18:24] properties through this Citrix share
[18:26] file system
[18:29] VC assessment has an excellent website
[18:31] you can look at any property throughout
[18:33] the province through assessment search
[18:35] this allows property owners and really
[18:38] anybody in British Columbia who's
[18:40] interested in real estate to look at how
[18:42] values are
[18:43] um how properties are valued through BC
[18:46] assessment we also have interactive
[18:48] Trend maps and services for governments
[18:51] and Indigenous relations on our website
[18:54] in addition to this there's uh also the
[18:58] government.bc.ca website which gives
[19:00] property owners and municipalities
[19:03] information on the part process the pad
[19:06] process the homeowner's ground Grant and
[19:08] the property tax deferral program
[19:12] any questions
[19:20] you also have any questions
[19:31] okay well thank you very much for your
[19:33] delegation appreciate it
[19:36] thank you well enjoy the rest of your
[19:38] evening
[19:39] thank you
[19:41] bye-bye
[19:49] okay so let's go into
[19:51] 5.1 the public hearing for bylaw number
[19:54] 2022-017
[19:59] is public hearing is being convened
[20:01] pursuant to section divorce explorers
[20:03] The Local Government Act to consider
[20:06] proposed District of Lulu at bylaw
[20:08] number 2022-017
[20:11] the proposed bylaws and related
[20:13] information including written comments
[20:15] received to date if any is available as
[20:18] part of the agenda package for review at
[20:21] this public hearing all persons wishing
[20:23] to speak will be given an opportunity to
[20:26] be heard
[20:27] however I asked that
[20:29] all who speak at this meeting respect
[20:31] their remarks to the matters contained
[20:33] in the bylaw those wishing to speak at
[20:35] the public hearing commence a remarks by
[20:37] stating their name
[20:39] and that the written comments be
[20:41] submitted to the South table before
[20:42] closure of this public hearing
[20:45] I asked the director of corporate and
[20:48] development services
[20:49] the suffix of the proposed bylaw please
[20:57] thank you mad at Matt is that
[20:59] 22-002 is a site-specific resulting
[21:02] applications at home to the Spheres of
[21:04] committed accessory use on the property
[21:07] at 175 seriously wrote site-specific
[21:11] zoning is a way of addressing contextual
[21:12] aspects specific properties and giving
[21:15] residents the option to apply to
[21:17] consider uses based on these contextual
[21:19] realities while still having
[21:20] standardized framework of sounding
[21:23] in this case the definition of home
[21:25] industry being proposed to add to the
[21:27] biopath which means an occupation or use
[21:31] that is accessory to the principle of
[21:33] residential use of the parsec and may
[21:35] include manufacturing processing
[21:37] fabricating assembly Distributing
[21:39] servicing or repairing of goods or
[21:42] materials including vehicle repair
[21:43] maintenance and auto body shops similar
[21:46] uses
[21:47] home industry should be considered a
[21:50] more intensive style of palm occupation
[21:53] which is generally only proposed on
[21:55] larger rural residential or large
[21:57] building style bonds
[21:59] Sapphire however proposing to Fetter the
[22:02] definition of this amendment by living
[22:03] by limiting the home industry to
[22:06] automobile repair Maintenance and
[22:08] Service and out of body shop and the
[22:11] ancillary retail sale of related parts
[22:14] and accessories and for greater Clarity
[22:16] the sale of vehicles would not be
[22:18] permitted this will ensure that on this
[22:21] lot which is not a hectare which is good
[22:23] practice for the permanent home industry
[22:26] does not involve beyond what is already
[22:29] in existence and what council and the
[22:30] neighborhood is considering as part of
[22:32] its application state
[22:37] I have any Rich submissions been
[22:39] received since the agenda has been
[22:41] published
[22:46] Senator mayor of five written
[22:48] submissions have been received and they
[22:50] are on the yellow paper that's been
[22:51] experience
[22:55] I declare this
[22:59] at this time
[23:02] I ask if there's anyone who wishes to
[23:04] speak to the proposed bylaws
[23:07] and after you've spoken once I would ask
[23:09] that you wait until all other members of
[23:12] the public have had the opportunity to
[23:14] be hurried before speaking a second time
[23:16] so please stand that the last turn to
[23:18] speak
[23:27] for a second kind is there anyone who
[23:29] wishes to speak further to the proposed
[23:31] bylaw
[23:40] for our third and final time is there
[23:42] anyone who wishes to speak further to
[23:44] the proposed by law
[23:51] hearing none I declare the public
[23:53] hearing post
[23:55] would someone like to move the motion
[23:57] that all written and verbal submissions
[24:00] regarding by law number
[24:03] 2022-017 up to and including January 17
[24:06] 2023 be received another public hearing
[24:09] be closed at
[24:10] five
[24:12] 23 pm
[24:15] counselor plan seconded by councilor we
[24:20] all in favor
[24:22] motion carry
[24:23] and we return
[24:30] tips platform and Adoption of the
[24:31] council meeting minutes will someone
[24:33] please move that then December 6 2022
[24:35] regular council meeting minutes be
[24:37] adopted as presented
[24:40] Council are we expecting by not Florida
[24:42] all in favor
[24:45] Ed
[24:49] is there any business arriving from them
[24:51] with minutes
[24:54] any Verizon report
[24:58] thing none correspondence and petitions
[25:02] uh I asked does anyone wish to remove
[25:05] one or more of the four correspondence
[25:07] items under 9.1 of the agenda please
[25:09] raise your hand
[25:11] counselor clown
[25:13] um can we move the alc welcome to
[25:17] council to uh the business
[25:21] number three number three
[25:26] bring that to
[25:32] so 17.
[25:40] any further ones
[25:45] okay and then I thought somebody moved
[25:47] that the
[25:48] rest of the courts wanted to put it in
[25:51] the information reported due to January
[25:52] 13th we've received for information
[25:55] that's like the Bruins second you know
[25:57] Fair week on paper
[26:02] number 10 reports from Committees of
[26:04] council and submissions and depending
[26:07] economics
[26:14] 11. reports and presentations about
[26:17] staff
[26:19] Community basketball partnership
[26:27] thank you madam Mayor Johnson Council uh
[26:30] yes the purpose of this is to assist the
[26:33] Lowell apprenticeship Center society's
[26:35] building communities through arts and
[26:37] the Heritage Grant applications the
[26:38] government of Canada under the local
[26:40] festivals components
[26:42] under that components there is the
[26:46] opportunity to receive 100 of all the
[26:48] eligible expenses up to a maximum of
[26:50] fifty thousand dollars without
[26:51] contributions with contributions that
[26:54] could be extended up to two hundred
[26:56] thousand dollars to present the work of
[26:58] local artists Artisans or Heritage
[27:00] performers arguably involved members of
[27:03] the local community and are intended for
[27:05] and accessible to the general public the
[27:07] society's Financial plans are allowing
[27:10] for twenty thousand dollars per day so a
[27:12] total budget of sixty thousand dollars
[27:14] over their post three day events
[27:16] variable they are requiring ten thousand
[27:19] dollars in contributions for the little
[27:21] Fest 2023 to be able to complete their
[27:24] uh intended or their anti-grant
[27:28] with this proposal
[27:31] of the
[27:33] District partnering with the society our contribution would
[27:39] be roughly 10 or 1 000 and 10 which is
[27:42] about ten percent of what they needed in
[27:44] addition to reach that goal of sixty
[27:47] thousand dollars put their with their
[27:49] Grant proposal
[27:51] this also we have a district Community
[27:54] Grant policy ad00
[27:57] 4 delineates the financial or in-kind
[28:00] support that the district provides third
[28:02] parties uh such the support is only
[28:05] provided to renewable Community Fund
[28:07] that was established by the district for
[28:08] this purpose however when the district
[28:10] itself is a formal partner which is what
[28:12] we're proposing for this within third
[28:14] party to support a specific Community
[28:16] initiative the alliance with the
[28:17] district's own already budget activities
[28:19] which we do have we annually budget
[28:22] about fifteen thousand dollars for
[28:23] community events this policy does not
[28:26] apply to the district's portion of the
[28:27] activities
[28:29] so while the financial impacts the
[28:31] district would appear to be that one
[28:34] thousand and ten dollars and lost
[28:35] revenues the opportunity to be decided
[28:40] to gain an extra six thousand dollars
[28:41] for the community as a whole is seen as
[28:43] a women
[28:45] and as such we are recommending that we
[28:48] move the motion to work that was
[28:49] recommended by staff
[28:51] to partner okay let's not be authorized
[28:55] to partner with political friendship
[28:56] Center society and posting little Fest
[28:58] Community Festival on rec center field
[29:00] from September 28th to October 1st 2023
[29:03] and a staff you authorized to classify
[29:05] the rec center field ritual for this
[29:07] event as a recreation department
[29:09] activity with no charge as for
[29:11] Recreation services bylog 2019 number
[29:14] 467.
[29:15] thank you any questions
[29:27] okay so didn't I have somebody moved
[29:29] that the staff be authorized part number
[29:30] below that friendship Center as written
[29:35] because where we second
[29:37] outside of the room on favorite
[29:40] question card thank you
[29:44] okay 2022 Financial plans amendments uh
[29:50] foreign
[29:55] yes thank you through the mayor I'll
[29:57] make this short and sweet this is uh the
[29:59] financial plan amendments that Council
[30:01] gave first three readings to at uh the
[30:05] previous council meeting excuse me and
[30:08] staff are recommending that Council move
[30:10] it through to adoption
[30:13] um again there's no net impact to the
[30:16] district's Surplus for 2022 as a result
[30:18] of any of these amendments
[30:21] um so we do recommend that Council adopt
[30:23] the bylaw
[30:26] important sweetie thank you
[30:29] so I think anybody have any questions
[30:32] for her staff
[30:36] being none unless somebody makes a
[30:39] motion and also read second by counselor
[30:42] de Bruin all in favor
[30:46] yeah 11.3 2023 2024 Municipal objectives
[30:55] um
[30:57] but
[31:01] um I know you've all been through this a
[31:04] couple workshops so very briefly just to
[31:07] remind everyone
[31:09] um
[31:10] especially for a new Council but at
[31:12] least every couple of years Council does
[31:16] need to just for best practices for
[31:18] operation for municipalities but also if
[31:20] you need legislative requirements
[31:22] Council needs to have the goals and
[31:24] objectives that are measurable and
[31:26] reportable and those actually go into
[31:28] the annual report that's prepared by
[31:30] staff by manager CNN
[31:33] um but in these are environments were
[31:36] well functioning
[31:38] and so on November 26th Council went
[31:41] through a pretty intense small leader
[31:43] workshops which I'm sure you remember
[31:45] every Last Detail it's fun
[31:48] and so we reviewed as a group with
[31:51] senior staff and Council the Mission
[31:53] Vision and the values
[31:56] conversations are really good some
[31:58] surprises even for staff because
[32:02] reconsideration of council been
[32:04] unthought for the meetings on
[32:06] um and there's quite a lot of discussion
[32:08] about
[32:09] all the goals Council wanted to do which
[32:11] there are many employees now Common
[32:14] Ground I think
[32:16] Council has to buy big goals that causes
[32:19] they're supposed to focus on for the
[32:22] coming years
[32:24] under those five goals staff then worked
[32:27] a team and brought back to a closed
[32:29] session previously uh objectives so the actual strategic on the ground
[32:35] things that Stafford wanting to do
[32:37] projects and such to make sure that the
[32:39] goals actually that realized over the
[32:42] coming years it's one thing to have a
[32:44] lot the goals and other to actually take
[32:45] actions to achieve those goals
[32:48] so attached to this report is a fancy
[32:52] colorful chart showing the five dolls
[32:55] and some strategic objectives that were
[32:57] identified
[32:59] to be measured reported on a regular
[33:01] basis and plans to perform these every
[33:03] quarter
[33:05] four times a year we will ask that be
[33:07] reporting on the progress for making a
[33:09] limited base
[33:10] but you know if we get them done sooner
[33:12] or if there's delays for any reason
[33:15] and then as well towards the end of the
[33:17] year there will be opportunity for
[33:19] Council to
[33:21] we looked at this as a two-year rolling
[33:23] plan
[33:24] and it can stabilize it could be a
[33:27] regular plane so we know the term or it
[33:29] could just be every two years
[33:30] legislation does require a visa to meet
[33:33] your plan
[33:34] so this is council's opportunity to look
[33:37] at one more time
[33:40] in transition values goals and
[33:43] objectives
[33:44] to decide if the people are going to be
[33:46] adopted as much Municipality of stately
[33:49] or consumption
[33:58] questions
[34:00] okay so does anybody have any questions
[34:04] or staff
[34:13] we got one okay counselor de bruyne no I
[34:18] just said no we came up here it's a
[34:21] great point we like the black paper
[34:22] excellent okay sorry I didn't forget to
[34:25] mention one thing it did come up during
[34:26] the week's discussions as communication
[34:28] from the public uh we have a staff
[34:31] member he's very creative Imperial
[34:32] Communications visuals who's just
[34:34] jumping a bit to give Council adoptsis
[34:37] to do a big splash on the back of the
[34:40] local newspaper Facebook and website
[34:42] this very digestible so it won't be as
[34:46] detailed looking as this cheap but it
[34:48] will cover the five goals and it'll do
[34:51] highlights in short digestible terms for
[34:54] everyone to understand what a council's
[34:56] progressive model
[34:57] hopefully if I have some feedback it's
[34:59] located
[35:01] Focus everything engaging them
[35:04] with
[35:06] um now that you've said that are they
[35:08] going to put the mission statement in
[35:10] the vision statement in there because I
[35:12] think
[35:13] I miss the workshop and I feel really
[35:16] bad about messing with familial
[35:19] um but I love the fact in the vision
[35:21] statement that it's about rounding in
[35:23] Heritage I think that means so much to
[35:25] so many
[35:25] people that live here that may remember
[35:28] that is true
[35:29] I think we would reiterate that in
[35:32] something
[35:33] my family
[35:37] I'm not really words tonight but
[35:39] something I was very happy about with
[35:41] the taking into the council that shot
[35:42] the station was developed through the
[35:44] official Canadian plan public engagement
[35:46] process so this division of council
[35:49] so they're adopted is exactly what's
[35:52] written in the officially
[35:54] because I'm sure that it's like accounts
[35:56] if there's council's known as
[36:00] good night
[36:02] any specific questions
[36:05] so I'm going to make them
[36:07] um recommendation that we accept this in
[36:12] this entirety one two three four and
[36:14] five so can I have somebody make a
[36:17] motion that
[36:19] uh the following be adopted I think the
[36:23] 2023-2024 municipal objectives uh the
[36:27] following be adopted as the District of
[36:29] lower Hutt's Mission Vision Values goals
[36:32] and objectives as written
[36:35] and so we each secondary by counselor
[36:37] plan any further questions
[36:40] all in favor
[36:43] Perry
[36:51] okay moving on to
[36:55] 11.4 uh buckle up everyone this is your
[37:00] city asset replacement strategy turn
[37:03] this over to Mr Taylor's thank you Paula
[37:07] can you please turn on your camera and
[37:08] your microphone
[37:18] uh close your answer
[37:20] thanks uh thanks Marine Council for uh
[37:23] the opportunity to uh to attend
[37:26] virtually I appreciate that I'm just
[37:29] going to share uh share my screen as
[37:31] well uh one second here
[37:34] should be good
[37:54] can you see the uh the blue screen
[37:57] this video thank you
[37:58] good thanks
[38:01] at least I beat the BC assessment
[38:03] Authority on that
[38:07] the uh the uh I've had I've had a worse
[38:10] time believe me so uh technology can do
[38:13] that
[38:13] um just uh thanks again for the
[38:15] opportunity uh we'll uh I'll try and run
[38:17] through as quickly as possible I know it
[38:19] take will take a little bit of time uh
[38:21] there's a bit of detail here before we
[38:23] get to uh the punch line with uh you
[38:26] know with the financial impacts which is
[38:27] what we're trying to uh give Council a
[38:30] sense off tonight so uh what are we
[38:32] gonna do a little bit of background
[38:33] recap uh talk about what went into
[38:36] building the the strategy and uh
[38:39] opportunity uh for questions and uh the
[38:42] next steps
[38:44] um introduction a little bit of broader
[38:46] context and you know
[38:48] you have a similar experience to other
[38:51] local governments I'm sure you know this
[38:53] assets built in the past a significant
[38:56] proportion for many municipalities if
[38:58] not most were built with significant
[39:00] levels of senior government assistance
[39:02] and of course that's not around as much
[39:04] if at all these days especially for
[39:06] regular replacement projects inflation
[39:09] over life cycle is really significant
[39:11] especially we've seen that the last
[39:13] couple of years with construction costs
[39:15] and uh most most municipalities have
[39:18] tried to deal with this issue in similar
[39:21] way which is you know working on a very
[39:23] gradual phase-in of increased investment
[39:26] to reach those levels that you want to
[39:29] achieve within the risk profile that you
[39:33] want as a community
[39:35] and that's really about shifting a bit
[39:37] from a narrower focus of let's just keep
[39:40] taxes low too let's keep assets healthy
[39:43] while considering affordability so
[39:45] um a little broader than than in the
[39:47] past
[39:48] so our our model that we want to talk
[39:50] about uh you can see is a the the circle
[39:52] here two components really asset
[39:56] replacement plan which is which has been
[39:59] produced and and then uh conversation
[40:02] and some modeling about asset
[40:03] replacement Financial strategy which is
[40:06] really about how do we replace Assets in uh within the risk profile that you
[40:11] want to take so that your level of
[40:13] service is maintained in the way in the
[40:15] way that you want
[40:17] um how do we do that well we we like to
[40:20] uh think of this as a um a bit of a set
[40:23] of set of cogs uh there's three parts to
[40:26] this and and it's really about the asset
[40:28] Health score and and in this case you'll
[40:31] see that your your current asset Health
[40:33] score is 79 which is which is pretty
[40:35] good and it's uh pretty consistent with many municipalities and really
[40:40] that's a com component or a uh
[40:42] calculation of uh um or an aggregation
[40:46] of your past life asset so assets that
[40:49] have gone beyond their regular service
[40:51] life and uh the proportion of all of
[40:54] your assets that are consumed so how far
[40:56] through are are you in using up those
[40:59] assets
[41:02] and you think about uh we like to use a
[41:04] bucket example so you know your your
[41:06] rate of investment is how you fill up
[41:09] the bucket
[41:11] um the health score is how we describe
[41:12] how the bucket is full or not which has
[41:16] a couple of a couple components
[41:17] consumption and past life asset and the
[41:21] rate of deterioration is is how much is
[41:23] leaking out of the bucket so you you
[41:25] generally want to try and have your rate
[41:26] of investment equal to or better than
[41:28] the rate of deterioration otherwise the
[41:30] bucket is going to gradually empty and
[41:33] that's what we talk about with the asset
[41:34] Health score if you're you know if your
[41:37] rate of investment isn't keeping up with
[41:39] the rate of deterioration or or
[41:42] consumption of your assets then
[41:44] gradually your asset Health score will deteriorate and get less
[41:48] and really the conversation today is
[41:50] about
[41:51] um you know you're you're out of 79
[41:53] today what would you like to be in the
[41:55] future over the planning Horizon which
[41:58] is you know 30 years for for this
[42:00] exercise 2022 to 2050 2052.
[42:05] so how are we going to fund this well
[42:07] we've we go back to our Circle uh We've done the work uh with staff on
[42:13] compiling asset data we've looked at
[42:15] some risks and level of service uh we
[42:18] know what the funding demand will be to
[42:20] replace assets
[42:22] um and that results in a forecasted
[42:24] replacement budget and then the focus
[42:26] here is well how do we finance that I'm
[42:29] taking into account these three factors
[42:31] of affordability flexibility and
[42:34] resiliency and we'll talk a little bit
[42:35] about those and see how they work
[42:38] together in the model
[42:39] so resiliency is the ability of the the
[42:43] organization the municipality to meet
[42:46] the community's desired levels of
[42:48] service
[42:49] um within those risk tolerances over
[42:51] time because taking risk is is very
[42:53] normal
[42:54] um it's just really how much risk you
[42:56] want do you want to take and we'll talk
[42:57] about that in in a minute
[42:59] um the other piece is affordability and
[43:02] that's the extent to which taxpayers can
[43:03] pay their pay fees and flexibility is
[43:07] the extent to which you can use uh your funding sources which in this case
[43:13] is really uh use of debt capacity or
[43:16] reserves you've accumulated
[43:18] um how how can you use those or can you
[43:20] use those to both fund the planned
[43:24] replacement of assets and also deal with
[43:27] any unplanned asset Replacements that
[43:29] come up a little bit earlier than than
[43:31] expected so as I say the resiliency
[43:34] piece we measure with asset Health score
[43:36] which is this mix of past life and
[43:38] consumption affordability we look at the
[43:42] annual cost of the homeowner and
[43:44] flexibility is the capacity to play for
[43:47] unplanned and planned and it's all about
[43:50] the reserved cash in the debt room and
[43:52] we'll talk about those again in a minute
[43:53] too so resiliency
[43:56] um we really talked about
[43:58] this piece and I apologize again for
[44:00] quite a bit of data but I'm trying to
[44:02] work through it fairly quickly for you
[44:04] um we really want to think about risk
[44:06] and we looked at the mix of your your
[44:10] assets so we talk about risk and the
[44:12] level of service I.E the impact if you
[44:15] lose an asset or it breaks or or you
[44:17] have an interruption and we work through
[44:20] the categorizing that and you can see as
[44:22] in most municipalities your water and
[44:24] sewer systems are your generally your
[44:26] highest risk and it's the one you want
[44:28] the highest level of service from Storm
[44:30] a little bit less Transportation a
[44:32] little bit less you know you can stand
[44:34] to have a little more risk in your
[44:35] equipment
[44:36] Etc so from that you can see your your
[44:39] highest
[44:40] category assets of water and sewer storm
[44:43] is medium and transportation buildings
[44:46] equipment and some land structures are relatively low uh in in relation to
[44:52] that
[44:53] so what do we do with that well we take
[44:56] that and we build scenarios
[44:58] um and we're talking about uh here three
[45:00] scenarios where we want to keep your assets in the same condition within
[45:05] the same risk as you have now and then
[45:07] we take a little more Risk by applying a
[45:12] risk factor to each of the classes and
[45:15] then we take a little further risk for
[45:18] comparative purposes so you can see the
[45:21] difference between funding and risk and how that affects the replacement of
[45:25] your assets
[45:26] and what what we end up doing is we look
[45:29] at we look at these uh comparatives so
[45:32] your current score uh 79 which is really
[45:36] a mix of you've got about 13 of your
[45:38] assets right now are past their useful
[45:41] life and that's not necessarily a bad
[45:43] thing you you could have uh say water
[45:45] pipe that was built in very good ground
[45:47] conditions and hasn't been subject to a
[45:49] lot of environmental factors and and
[45:51] could could quite easily go beyond its
[45:54] uh useful life quite happily you you may
[45:56] have some that you know poor ground
[45:58] conditions maybe wasn't constructed as
[46:00] well and
[46:02] um you know maybe uh end up being a
[46:04] little bit less so 13 past life and then
[46:08] you're about 68 consumed overall so that
[46:11] means about 68 of your your assets have
[46:14] been have been used up
[46:16] um in general if you if you keep the
[46:19] same amount of funding because you're
[46:21] putting about 675 000 in a year towards
[46:24] uh Capital whether that's through
[46:26] transfers to reserves or or debt
[46:27] servicing for Capital if you just keep
[46:30] it the same and don't increase it you
[46:32] can see your your asset Health score is
[46:33] going to drop to zero
[46:35] um and it actually drops to zero in
[46:37] about year 20 in the model so 20 years
[46:39] out you're you're basically your past
[46:42] life assets are basically all of you all
[46:44] of your assets and your consumption rate
[46:47] is much higher and it's it's higher than
[46:48] 100 because you've got some assets that
[46:51] have gone beyond their useful life so
[46:54] they would be a hundred percent consumed
[46:55] then so 160 means
[46:58] basically 1.6 uh 1.6 times consumed
[47:03] um so very significant and something
[47:05] that's not clearly sustainable so we
[47:08] said well let's look at three different
[47:10] scenarios
[47:12] um an 80 score scenario which is
[47:15] basically trying to keep the risk and
[47:16] level of service similar so you end up
[47:18] with past life of 12 and consumption of
[47:21] 70 very very similar to current I'm
[47:25] contrast that with the second scenario
[47:27] you know where you increase the risk and adjust the level of service a little
[47:31] bit so you take a little higher past
[47:33] life assets proportion you let them go a
[47:36] little and you let your assets age a
[47:38] little bit more and that's the level of
[47:40] funding the three million dollars
[47:42] compared to 3.2 you can see as you take
[47:45] a little higher risk you can drop the amount of annual funding that's
[47:48] needed and then scenario three we
[47:51] thought we'd we'd drop a little further
[47:52] and and uh
[47:55] just for again comparison and C you got
[47:58] about 25 percent of your past life
[47:59] assets and about 80 80 odd percent
[48:01] consumption but you need you can invest
[48:04] a little bit less in that scenario
[48:07] then we talk about flexibility this is
[48:10] really about you know unplanned asset
[48:12] replacement and planned asset
[48:14] replacement uh and so this is the extent
[48:17] to which you can use debt and reserves
[48:19] to fund both those those two scenarios
[48:22] so you know you have about 93 million
[48:24] dollars of of assets or replacement
[48:26] value now
[48:28] about 13 or 12 million dollars are past
[48:31] their life and that's probably your
[48:33] highest highest risk area for unplanned
[48:37] replacement and so we went through an
[48:39] exercise and said well how how much in
[48:41] terms of reserves and debt do we want to
[48:44] maintain over the the 30-year planning
[48:47] period of this of this model
[48:49] um so that you can it's kind of like
[48:51] your insurance so you can use and deploy
[48:53] that reserves or that cash or the debt
[48:56] I'm for uh for replacing something that
[49:01] happens to break or fail during the
[49:02] course of the year and we arrived at a
[49:04] sort of an 80 20 split we wanted to keep
[49:07] a fair amount of cash because you can
[49:08] deploy that quicker and have some small
[49:11] amount of room for debt if you need it
[49:13] so about three million dollars would be
[49:15] your insurance level and that's about
[49:17] you know 26 26 percent of uh of your
[49:21] asset past life value which is which I
[49:23] think is pretty reasonable because
[49:24] they're not all going to fail at the
[49:25] same time clearly
[49:27] and then if we look at planned
[49:29] replacement and and we work backwards we know that you've got about 13.8
[49:34] million in debt capacity that you could
[49:35] use
[49:36] um you know most municipalities are
[49:38] fairly risk-averse and you you know you
[49:40] tend to try and avoid debt if you can
[49:42] but it is a tool in the toolbox and uh
[49:46] if we keep 0.6 million that we just
[49:49] talked about reserved capacity for
[49:52] unplanned replacement or breakages
[49:54] that's the small one here we just said
[49:56] let's keep a couple of million dollars
[49:58] of room for emergency
[50:00] um just in case just to be conservative
[50:02] so we've got a couple of million dollars
[50:04] set aside in case we ever needed to
[50:06] borrow and you still have to go through
[50:08] the the uh Ascend to the electors
[50:10] process and all those steps to borrow
[50:12] there's no difference there and and then
[50:14] we kept a significant amount of room uh
[50:17] for new projects over the period and
[50:20] what that does is it leaves about 2.7
[50:22] million dollars of room in your
[50:25] borrowing capacity that we could use for
[50:27] a regular asset replacement
[50:29] if if we happen to need it so that it's
[50:32] smooth the impact on the taxpayer at
[50:35] some point in the future so that's now
[50:37] built into the model a small amount
[50:39] relatively about 20 say what was it 20
[50:43] uh almost 20 percent of the of the total
[50:46] debt capacity that you have
[50:48] and then lastly uh
[50:51] and most importantly you want to keep affordability in mind
[50:54] and uh typical home uh typical home pays
[50:59] about twenty two hundred dollars in
[51:01] taxes and utility fees about 350 dollars
[51:05] of that goes towards Capital replacement
[51:07] and 1873 the the teal color here is for
[51:11] uh everything else operations and
[51:13] maintenance Public Works planning
[51:17] um fire you know contribution to police
[51:20] Etc
[51:21] if we break that out you can see it's
[51:24] about a thousand and ninety five dollars
[51:25] in property taxes and that's about 210
[51:28] for capital 8.85 for operations
[51:30] 564 and water you can see a little bit
[51:33] less than less proportion in in water
[51:35] about 47 bucks a year for Capital and so
[51:38] we're funding office 564 as well but
[51:41] there's about 93 dollars of that is is
[51:43] uh um invested in capital uh on average
[51:46] each year
[51:48] so Financial strategy just a couple of
[51:50] quick reminders as we as I go through
[51:52] this
[51:53] um this is like for like replacement so
[51:55] we're not building in any new or
[51:59] incremental assets so if you you know if
[52:01] you if there's a a second uh fire hall
[52:04] on the horizon or there's a rec center
[52:06] in the future or things like that those
[52:08] would always be additional to uh to the
[52:10] model and and you know would obviously
[52:12] change things moving forward and we
[52:14] always talk about constant dollar
[52:15] analysis so inflation is is not
[52:18] accounted for it's
[52:20] um you need to deal with that every time
[52:21] you update the model and the assets are
[52:24] limited to the the regular Municipal
[52:26] assets that we have
[52:27] um you know like drainage water sewer
[52:29] buildings Etc
[52:31] now what we think about when we do this
[52:33] is we always look to phasing cost
[52:35] increases over the longest period
[52:36] possible to smooth impacts to the
[52:38] taxpayer so the model tries to do that
[52:40] uh we stay within our asset Vital Signs
[52:43] uh scenarios
[52:46] um so we we've built that in so that's
[52:47] that means you'll stay within that risk
[52:49] profile for each scenario and we then
[52:52] run plan to keep our minimum Reserve
[52:54] number we just talked about and we
[52:56] maintain our debt capacity and if for
[52:59] some reason the reserves drop a little
[53:00] bit below below the minimum we hold off
[53:03] investing for the next year or two until
[53:06] uh till the reserves are brought up to
[53:08] maintain that insurance and for Planned
[53:11] again yeah we use reserves and debt
[53:12] smooth out the tax impacts over time to
[53:15] uh to the typical home and while still
[53:18] meeting that vital Vital sign Target and
[53:21] we always try and use reserves first and
[53:23] use that only when needed
[53:27] so just to recap the three models Uh
[53:30] current state 79 score uh past life of
[53:34] 13 so model one is to try and keep that
[53:37] the same
[53:38] model two is to take a little more risk
[53:40] and or scenario two and scenario three
[53:43] is to take a little further risk again
[53:45] just to compare and contrast to give you
[53:47] a little bit of sensitivity analysis you
[53:48] can see uh
[53:50] um see what the implications are so uh
[53:53] now that the the real thing that you've
[53:54] been waiting for the significant numbers
[53:57] are are for so for scenario one
[54:00] um you know you need to go from 675 000
[54:04] a year that you're investing in capital
[54:05] now
[54:06] to in the order of 3.2 million so a
[54:09] significant jump and uh you can see very
[54:12] significant number your 350 dollars to
[54:15] the average home over over 20 years and
[54:18] this is a 20-year period would right
[54:19] need to rise to you know almost 2 900
[54:23] and uh consistently doing that would
[54:25] take about 127 dollars increase each
[54:28] year and and you use all of the debt
[54:31] capacity uh room that you have allocated
[54:34] for Capital replacement
[54:36] um over the over the life of the model
[54:38] so very significant numbers for sure
[54:42] if we split that out you can see it's
[54:44] about 66 bucks a year uh or dollars per
[54:47] year for uh General capital or Taxation
[54:50] and that's equivalent to about a three
[54:52] and a half percent tax increase and a
[54:54] very significant numbers
[54:56] um 40 for water Capital which is an
[54:58] average 4.6 percent increase in water
[55:01] and 11 for sewer which is an average 1.4
[55:04] percent uh increase
[55:06] and and I've got a summary at the end so
[55:09] uh um bear with me and I'll I'll get to
[55:11] the comparison in a minute
[55:14] um scenario two same starting point 350
[55:17] dollars committed to Capital from uh
[55:20] typical home
[55:21] because we're taking a little bit more
[55:23] risk and a slightly lower asset Health
[55:25] score you can see we need to invest
[55:27] three million dollars a year instead of
[55:29] 3.2 and we end up at uh slightly less
[55:32] number 2691 dollars still very
[55:34] significant and it's about 117 dollar
[55:37] increase per year for 20 years and use a
[55:40] little bit less debt
[55:42] um still a significant proportion but a little bit less
[55:46] if we break that out again you'll see 62
[55:49] bucks in property taxes is about a 3.3
[55:52] percent property tax increase on average
[55:54] for each of the years 46 very similar
[55:57] 4.3 percent increase in water and a
[56:00] slightly lower nine dollar increase
[56:01] since your capital of 1.1 percent
[56:03] increase in the sewer charge
[56:06] and lastly uh scenario three and we
[56:09] tried a little bit of a Different Twist
[56:11] in scenario three
[56:13] um 350 starting point over 20 years up
[56:16] to 2607
[56:19] um so 2.7 million annual investment at
[56:22] that point what we decided to do was try
[56:25] and uh start uh start a little bit lower
[56:28] and to work in to the program and then
[56:33] increase the contributions a little
[56:34] faster over time so this one is uh 69
[56:38] starting point but it rises to 167 over
[56:41] the 20 years you still end up at a very
[56:43] similar endpoint we're just starting a
[56:46] bit slower and ramping it up over time
[56:48] and we used a little bit less so a
[56:50] little bit less that capacity in this
[56:52] scenario so in terms of property taxes
[56:55] you can see what we thought we would try
[56:57] in this model was a two percent increase
[56:59] for the first four years three percent
[57:02] for the next four and then four percent
[57:03] for the last the last 12. and that's why
[57:06] you have this increasing amount so you
[57:08] start off at twenty two dollars
[57:10] um for the first uh four years and then
[57:12] you're gradually increasing and you know
[57:14] the last few years you're at 120 dollars
[57:16] per year
[57:17] uh water just consistently four percent
[57:20] increase forty one dollars all the way
[57:22] through and Sewer in a little bit less
[57:25] six dollars or a point eight percent
[57:26] charge increase I'm all the way through
[57:30] and you end up with a slightly lower
[57:32] asset Health score of uh just under 50
[57:34] percent
[57:36] so the summary piece uh you can see is
[57:39] scenario one
[57:40] uh trying to hit a health score of of 80
[57:43] to keep everything very similar
[57:46] 127 dollars a year for 20 years rising
[57:49] up to about 2 900 to a typical home uh
[57:54] after 20 years second scenario take a
[57:56] little more risk slightly lower Health
[57:58] score
[57:59] um 117 rather than 127 and you end up at
[58:04] 2691 dollars a year so a little bit less
[58:07] couple hundred dollars a year less at
[58:09] that point and then if we we take a
[58:11] little further we have a Target Health
[58:13] score of about 50 percent
[58:16] um 69 rising up though to 167
[58:19] um over 20 years and you you end up at
[58:22] twenty six hundred and seven dollars uh
[58:25] a year at that point
[58:27] um and you can see the difference in the use of debt in general so you know
[58:32] very no way to no way to sugarcoat it
[58:34] very significant numbers
[58:36] um you're you're not uh significantly
[58:39] different to a lot of municipalities
[58:40] around the province and you know the
[58:42] factors we talked about earlier uh or I
[58:45] talked about earlier in in the start of
[58:47] the presentation around you know a lot
[58:49] of assets were built with senior levels
[58:51] of government uh funding so you know an
[58:54] asset you may be built with 30 Cent
[58:55] dollars you're needing to replace at a
[58:57] hundred cent dollars now so of course
[58:59] it's going to cost you a lot more than
[59:01] when it was built plus you've had
[59:02] inflation over the the life of um of the
[59:06] use of that asset so very similar to to
[59:09] others
[59:10] um a little bit higher in the property
[59:12] tax scenario but um but not um
[59:15] you know in concept very very similar to
[59:17] other municipalities
[59:19] so just to summarize
[59:21] um overall increase ranging from you
[59:24] know 69 to 167 dollars a year
[59:27] um you know the property tax tax
[59:29] increase that's pretty significant
[59:32] um in all of the uh all of the scenarios
[59:34] uh the third scenario starts a little
[59:37] bit lower with a two percent over the
[59:38] first four years to build momentum and
[59:41] perhaps give an opportunity to uh to
[59:43] build education and awareness
[59:45] um and and build the uh connection with
[59:48] the need for it and you know protect
[59:50] Next Generation from from those costs
[59:55] um option three as I said gradual
[59:56] increase and just a reminder this is
[59:59] just for the existing asset replacement
[1:00:00] and if you do add additional capital
[1:00:03] projects or Assets in the future that
[1:00:05] will you know that obviously change the
[1:00:07] model uh um a little bit
[1:00:10] um we would suggest that uh this this
[1:00:13] creates alignment uh between risk and
[1:00:16] level and level of service and your
[1:00:18] financial strategy and the financial
[1:00:20] impact to typical homes it's a living
[1:00:23] strategy is meant to be uh um a guide
[1:00:26] not a bylaw it's a method
[1:00:29] um Council still makes its financial
[1:00:31] decisions during budget every year so
[1:00:33] this is really to
[1:00:36] um just like some of your other Master
[1:00:37] plans to provide some long-term
[1:00:39] Direction and and you work towards it as
[1:00:43] you're able to and and as you you know
[1:00:45] you choose on behalf of the community
[1:00:48] from uh from year to year so it's
[1:00:50] providing a guide for decision making
[1:00:53] um there's a few other areas we can't we
[1:00:56] you know you can or steps you can get
[1:00:58] into uh once we get you know you get the
[1:01:00] uh the method
[1:01:02] um uh uh in place such as you could
[1:01:06] build policy the key is to integrate it
[1:01:08] into existing processes into your
[1:01:10] five-year Financial
[1:01:12] um and your annual report and perhaps
[1:01:13] even to your strategic planning from
[1:01:16] time to time
[1:01:17] um separating asset cost is always a
[1:01:19] really good idea because it provides
[1:01:21] Clarity for uh for the community
[1:01:24] um and implementing a reporting and
[1:01:26] measurement framework which is the last
[1:01:29] stage of the ambc best practice roadmap
[1:01:32] is uh
[1:01:33] um reinforces the and and reports to the
[1:01:37] community on the condition of your
[1:01:40] assets and and the progress that you're
[1:01:41] making and lastly just always refine
[1:01:44] data this is uh the data we always work
[1:01:47] with is is never perfect and uh refining
[1:01:50] it from year to year is the best way of improving accuracy in this case
[1:01:57] and I apologize again for speaking so
[1:01:59] long happy to happy to answer any any
[1:02:02] questions
[1:02:07] okay
[1:02:11] well I have I have a couple of questions
[1:02:13] so I I think it's a good idea to
[1:02:16] separate that asset cost out or and
[1:02:19] letting people know just what what is
[1:02:22] going to assets
[1:02:24] um
[1:02:25] but I have to ask so when you do the
[1:02:28] water and sewer do you account for the
[1:02:30] reserves that we have in there now or is
[1:02:33] it just assuming that we have nothing
[1:02:37] no
[1:02:38] um good question we uh we build in uh
[1:02:40] your current level of Reserves and uh in
[1:02:43] each of you know for each of the uh
[1:02:45] General Water and Sewer
[1:02:47] um and uh we just you know we may have
[1:02:49] made some assumptions about what you're
[1:02:50] spending in the next year or so but
[1:02:52] other than that it's yeah we we
[1:02:54] absolutely use the level of reserves you
[1:02:56] have and then we Implement in the model
[1:02:58] that minimum amount of reserves we
[1:03:00] talked about you know to to keep that
[1:03:02] for that insurance uh all the way
[1:03:04] through
[1:03:05] um so what you're really doing is is
[1:03:07] using up reserves maintaining a minimum
[1:03:09] and then topping it up with debt once in
[1:03:11] a while if needed in order to smooth the
[1:03:14] impact to the taxpayer so that the cost
[1:03:16] of the taxpayer is is uh pretty
[1:03:18] consistent albeit increasing and we
[1:03:22] always suggest it's a great idea to
[1:03:24] um to separate out and have even have a
[1:03:26] separate tax rate so pull out that
[1:03:29] portion from your current property tax
[1:03:30] rate and show it separately because then
[1:03:33] you can connect it directly to the the
[1:03:35] uh you know the asset replacement
[1:03:37] program and it's easier for the
[1:03:39] community to see where that money's
[1:03:41] going and uh generally you get better
[1:03:43] buy-in when that happens we find
[1:03:52] right
[1:03:54] if we were to get grants for some of
[1:03:57] these assets that we need replacing
[1:04:00] um would we just keep going with plan a
[1:04:03] whatever room tubes or we wouldn't
[1:04:07] differentiate based on the grants that
[1:04:09] we would have
[1:04:10] great great yeah great great Point again
[1:04:12] uh two parts to that one is yeah we we
[1:04:15] don't uh build assumptions in around
[1:04:17] grants into the model just to be
[1:04:19] conservative again because as you're
[1:04:21] well aware
[1:04:23] um the I think you see that the
[1:04:25] likelihood of getting grants for regular
[1:04:28] run-of-the-mill replacement of a water
[1:04:30] line or a sewer line or or piece of road
[1:04:34] um let alone a fire hall let's say are
[1:04:37] rarer and rarer the the grants are
[1:04:39] tending towards
[1:04:41] um you know more climate related
[1:04:43] Disaster Response
[1:04:45] um
[1:04:46] uh you know social Wildfire
[1:04:49] Etc so
[1:04:50] um I think that's that appears to be
[1:04:53] where where the uh where the the
[1:04:55] province is heading with and the federal
[1:04:57] government is heading with those Grant
[1:04:58] programs so likely to be less and less
[1:05:00] for regular asset replacement
[1:05:03] um if you do happen to get one and and
[1:05:05] we all keep trying to apply for them and
[1:05:07] if we're lucky enough they're fortunate
[1:05:09] to get one
[1:05:10] um
[1:05:11] that would just be built into the model
[1:05:13] in the year you do you know do your
[1:05:15] update and and we always encourage uh
[1:05:18] um to build it into regular business so
[1:05:19] that your that your staff are updating
[1:05:21] them updating your information every
[1:05:23] year so if you do happen to get a grant
[1:05:26] then you would simply reduce the uh
[1:05:28] reduce the cost
[1:05:30] um you know of replacing that particular
[1:05:32] asset in that scenario in the big scheme
[1:05:35] of things one particular Grant with one
[1:05:37] asset probably won't make a uh you know
[1:05:40] a massive difference to the numbers so I
[1:05:42] would think you're probably writing that
[1:05:43] the path or the trajectory would still
[1:05:45] continue but the point of this is to to
[1:05:48] build it into regular business every day
[1:05:50] or every year
[1:05:52] um and if your staff are able to do that
[1:05:54] and you know in amongst everything else
[1:05:55] that they're they're asked to do
[1:05:58] um you you'll find that your numbers are
[1:06:00] more accurate
[1:06:01] um becomes normal normal business and
[1:06:03] you adjust it over time
[1:06:05] thank you
[1:06:17] counselor de Broome
[1:06:19] thank you very much for uh for all the
[1:06:21] uh data I'm still processing but um it
[1:06:26] is uh uh to me it is like it you started
[1:06:30] off really quickly uh with uh basically
[1:06:33] indicating the health Spore for a little
[1:06:35] wet 79 indicating that that is you know
[1:06:39] a fairly in line with other
[1:06:41] instabilities
[1:06:44] um
[1:06:44] if I walk around Lila went it doesn't
[1:06:48] feel like 79
[1:06:49] and uh if you look at you know the the
[1:06:53] um at the streets uh the crumbling
[1:06:55] sidewalks and that sort of stuff and the
[1:06:57] undersized infrastructure and the the
[1:07:00] list of projects that we have sort of
[1:07:03] already it sort of feels like
[1:07:06] you know that we're nowhere near 79 and
[1:07:09] it's sort of daunting to think of what
[1:07:11] 46 would look like
[1:07:14] um and uh because you know I I think
[1:07:17] we've been as a young council at least
[1:07:19] you know have some mission of maybe
[1:07:21] raising the standards and I think you
[1:07:24] know the presentation that you've given
[1:07:26] is okay well you know this is what it's
[1:07:30] going to cost it's just maintain you
[1:07:32] know the current state and let's look at
[1:07:34] you know scenarios where we take it down
[1:07:36] a notch and uh so that's hard to comprehend versus the
[1:07:42] amount of tax increases that uh that are
[1:07:44] required just to maintain things so like
[1:07:46] I said it's uh it is a bit of a daunting
[1:07:49] uh presentation uh to have your second
[1:07:52] month as counselor but uh it is uh um it
[1:07:57] is what we're here for so thank you is there a uh an update that
[1:08:04] you normally do to that 79 or a
[1:08:06] breakdown to the 79 that that that we
[1:08:10] you know that
[1:08:12] advice and Clarity how that came about
[1:08:16] um yes through uh through the mayor the
[1:08:18] yeah I'm always encouraged that um this
[1:08:21] again this gets built into your annual
[1:08:23] uh annual process which is you know two
[1:08:26] or three parts so if you think about uh
[1:08:28] if there's some awareness and Reporting
[1:08:30] built into your annual budget so as part
[1:08:32] of your five-year Capital there's a
[1:08:35] broader discussion about here's how our
[1:08:37] funding strategy is working here's our
[1:08:39] asset Health score here's what we think
[1:08:41] it'll it'll be in five years time if we
[1:08:43] invest like this
[1:08:45] um and so you get the bigger picture
[1:08:46] along with you know your list of capital
[1:08:48] projects and you're connecting it to
[1:08:51] that broader strategy and any in your
[1:08:53] annual report
[1:08:55] um have a have a small uh asset
[1:08:57] management section where again you talk
[1:08:58] about the score you talk about the work
[1:09:00] you've done and your your level of
[1:09:02] commitment and what the future outlook
[1:09:04] is and that will create uh awareness in
[1:09:07] the in the community and if you tie it
[1:09:09] with uh attaching to a separate tax rate
[1:09:12] on your tax notice you can you can
[1:09:14] connect the dots uh and have a have a
[1:09:17] fairly concise method of just just
[1:09:20] looking at how your your approach is
[1:09:22] working and I mean the numbers are the
[1:09:24] they're just numbers and they're for
[1:09:26] comparisons so you can see the change
[1:09:28] over time so um you know that they're based on the data that you have
[1:09:34] today and and as as that data is refined
[1:09:37] and and gets better so that that number
[1:09:39] may change a little bit
[1:09:42] um you know if you're lucky enough that
[1:09:44] some of your assets uh are maintained in
[1:09:47] great shape
[1:09:49] um maybe you can extend them a little
[1:09:50] bit and and so your score is uh again
[1:09:53] going to change
[1:09:54] um a little bit so um it's it's about
[1:09:58] measuring and Reporting and bringing
[1:10:00] awareness and then making it regular
[1:10:02] business and and uh
[1:10:04] um and it takes some discipline there's
[1:10:06] communities that
[1:10:08] um
[1:10:08] you know I I started with uh one in
[1:10:11] particular and it was 20 years ago and 20 odd years ago and it
[1:10:16] um the Council of the day was courageous
[1:10:17] to start and uh they kept at it year
[1:10:22] after year
[1:10:23] um and the community gradually bought in
[1:10:25] and and after about 20 years they're in a pretty decent place is it
[1:10:30] are they fully fully there and they can
[1:10:32] breathe easy and it's all done no
[1:10:33] because things are always happening and
[1:10:36] you know the the cost of replacing
[1:10:39] assets or or the standard that you want
[1:10:42] to build them is is clearly changing so
[1:10:45] um but uh I think this is about just
[1:10:47] starting and uh making making some
[1:10:50] Headway and and getting some buy-in with
[1:10:51] the community which doesn't happen
[1:10:52] overnight
[1:11:06] well I think we're receiving this this
[1:11:08] information
[1:11:10] decision no no
[1:11:12] um so definitely have to uh get a copy
[1:11:16] of this and and mull it over can I ask
[1:11:20] um
[1:11:21] when it comes to other communities I
[1:11:23] know that you say that we're like a lot
[1:11:26] of other communities out there and true
[1:11:28] misery does love company are are the
[1:11:30] other communities looking above the same
[1:11:32] level of like uh monetary value of
[1:11:36] increases
[1:11:38] like and so if somebody comes up and
[1:11:40] says well this is terrible I'm not
[1:11:42] paying another 120 I'm moving to tablets
[1:11:46] right
[1:11:48] um yeah
[1:11:51] absolutely yeah uh great Point again
[1:11:54] um every Community is different
[1:11:57] um you know the assets will have been
[1:12:00] built at different times uh the mix of
[1:12:02] the assets although you know most places
[1:12:05] will have water and sewer most will have
[1:12:06] some level of drainage and some roads
[1:12:09] and buildings Etc but they're all slightly different so a true
[1:12:13] kind of apples to apples comparison
[1:12:15] really isn't isn't possible
[1:12:18] um I can tell you we've got a couple of
[1:12:19] communities that we've been working with
[1:12:21] that have more than this and uh which is
[1:12:25] a bit of a scary proposition
[1:12:28] um and we've got
[1:12:30] um two or three that are or less and one
[1:12:33] is because they're a fairly small
[1:12:34] community with not a lot of assets
[1:12:37] um and another is because they're fairly
[1:12:39] intense
[1:12:40] infrastructure community that that takes
[1:12:43] a lot of infrastructure
[1:12:45] um and it's going to take a lot to
[1:12:48] replace
[1:12:49] um so a bit of a long-winded answer
[1:12:52] there's no there's no direct comparison
[1:12:54] to be made
[1:12:56] um with with others I would liken this
[1:12:59] to you know if you're if you happen to
[1:13:01] be a strata property owner this is like
[1:13:04] the depreciation report
[1:13:06] um that you never used to have for for
[1:13:08] stratas until it was mandated some years
[1:13:10] ago and so now when you go to buy a
[1:13:12] strata you get a sense of what the
[1:13:14] future obligations are around
[1:13:18] maintaining you know maintaining that
[1:13:20] asset and this is this is the same kind
[1:13:22] of thing
[1:13:23] um so so it's increasing awareness and will allow you to make some choices
[1:13:27] every year about to what extent you want
[1:13:30] to replace site your assets and what
[1:13:32] kind of risk profile you you want to
[1:13:35] take
[1:13:49] you know thank you very much for your
[1:13:51] report
[1:13:53] appreciate it thank you
[1:13:59] so I guess I just need somebody to make
[1:14:05] emotion that we receive the information
[1:14:07] regarding the asset management by your
[1:14:10] city solutions
[1:14:12] so I read second by counselor plan all
[1:14:14] in favor
[1:14:15] thank you
[1:14:25] okay 11.5 2022 building this place is an
[1:14:29] expert report
[1:14:30] turn this over to Scott
[1:14:56] people
[1:14:58] thank you madam mayor happy uh December
[1:15:00] 6 2022 rated the council meeting Council
[1:15:03] passed resolution
[1:15:04] R179 which directed staff to provide and
[1:15:08] present the following information
[1:15:09] council at this program council meeting
[1:15:13] a list of development projects
[1:15:16] including number of units approved in
[1:15:18] the last 12 months in order to review
[1:15:19] the status of these projects the list of
[1:15:22] active building permits or closed
[1:15:24] permits within the last 12 months with a
[1:15:26] value of one hundred thousand dollars or
[1:15:28] greater in the status of the experiments
[1:15:31] a list of stock work orders issued
[1:15:33] within the last 12 months the reasons
[1:15:35] for the stock work orders and the
[1:15:37] request of remedies
[1:15:39] and a list of do not occupy notices
[1:15:41] issued under the building bylaw or under
[1:15:43] fire code issued within the last 12
[1:15:45] months the reasons for the do not occupy
[1:15:48] notices and robusted remedies
[1:15:53] so development services staff Works
[1:15:55] throughout December to assemble this
[1:15:57] information and I hope that it satisfies
[1:15:58] the direction to begin I would like to
[1:16:01] introduce development services our
[1:16:04] department includes the director the
[1:16:06] planning technician and the building
[1:16:07] official who has joined being here this
[1:16:10] evening if there are any code specific
[1:16:11] questions
[1:16:13] uh these three positions are responsible
[1:16:15] for the intake review and presentation
[1:16:17] of every development application
[1:16:20] building application development inquiry
[1:16:23] and are often involved in the support
[1:16:25] capacity for biolog enforcement
[1:16:27] our roles are primarily to enforce the
[1:16:29] district bylaws however we also create
[1:16:31] administer plans bylaws and programs to
[1:16:35] realize the community decision with the
[1:16:36] key terms the cops in the slideshow that
[1:16:40] showed that everything starts with the
[1:16:42] vision or the official community plan
[1:16:44] which informs our individual plans most
[1:16:48] relevant to this community
[1:16:49] which in turn determines our regulatory
[1:16:52] framework such as the subdivision and
[1:16:54] development servicing bylaws and the
[1:16:56] building bylabs however core service to
[1:16:59] the public is processing applications
[1:17:01] and ensuring that any proposals informed
[1:17:04] to the established regulations
[1:17:06] so before I get into the meat of the uh
[1:17:10] resolution I just have some additional
[1:17:12] statistics for everyone
[1:17:13] so development has been slowly
[1:17:15] increasing from 2018 to 20. uh
[1:17:26] land use applications in 2022 we're up
[1:17:30] to 25 from 6 in 2018. a similar building
[1:17:34] permits issued in 2018 uh were 68 with a
[1:17:38] value of 3.9 million with that number
[1:17:40] increasing uh to 92 although later in
[1:17:44] your report it will say Sunday Madness
[1:17:45] if there are still 13 waiting to be
[1:17:47] issued uh where the value uh just short
[1:17:50] of seven million uh now these numbers
[1:17:52] will be a little bit of a discrepancy
[1:17:54] from the numbers you saw on the BC
[1:17:56] assessments
[1:17:57] um presentation earlier that's because
[1:17:59] we reported at different times these
[1:18:01] reports open for one departments were
[1:18:02] issued and be paid where there's um our
[1:18:06] um uh reported when occupancy is scanned
[1:18:09] so we're just a little like that's what
[1:18:11] they are
[1:18:13] so this graph illustrates uh with the
[1:18:17] orange bars being the numbers of
[1:18:18] permanence issued as seen on the left
[1:18:21] and the Gray Line being the total value
[1:18:23] of construction then here with that
[1:18:24] value on the right the red line is
[1:18:27] showing the linear trends of
[1:18:28] construction value
[1:18:31] uh this graph replaces the value of
[1:18:33] construction with permit fees collected
[1:18:35] um the board not taxation Revenue the
[1:18:38] building departments which is also
[1:18:40] trending in the same fashion in 2022 uh
[1:18:44] the district collected 63 586 dollars in
[1:18:47] building credit fees compared to just
[1:18:50] short of thirty thousands uh five years
[1:18:52] prior
[1:18:55] and finally this graph is showing the
[1:18:57] number of development applications uh by
[1:18:59] type from 2015 to 2022 the colors are
[1:19:04] not meant to give anyone in the room a
[1:19:06] seizure those are just the others will
[1:19:07] be a session typically happens
[1:19:09] I like the colors uh so back to the
[1:19:11] council resolution starting with
[1:19:13] development projects including a number
[1:19:15] of units
[1:19:16] in 2022 there were 99 building permit
[1:19:20] applications uh seven of which were
[1:19:22] withdrawn or expired uh and 79 permits
[1:19:25] fully issued with another 13 still in
[1:19:27] the process 11 dwelling units were
[1:19:30] approved in total including five
[1:19:31] single-family dwellings in six apartment
[1:19:33] events with three more single-family
[1:19:36] dwellings still under review for 2022.
[1:19:38] seven units were demolished two from
[1:19:41] fire damage four mobile homes removed
[1:19:43] and one unpermitted suiting strategic
[1:19:45] missions Suites can either be
[1:19:47] decommissioned or remedied that option
[1:19:49] is up to the honor
[1:19:51] there were also a total of six new
[1:19:52] subdivision applications in 2020.
[1:19:56] this is a list of the single-family
[1:19:58] dwellings uh that were are that were
[1:20:01] permits were issued and are under
[1:20:03] construction as well as the three
[1:20:05] departments still in process
[1:20:08] in terms of larger ongoing projects we
[1:20:11] have 1091 Main Street or the old Jones
[1:20:13] Market site uh permanent Square shoots
[1:20:16] fairly quickly on this project as the
[1:20:18] architect involved is familiar with
[1:20:19] liluit and belting with fire nuts the
[1:20:22] project is working on Final drawings and
[1:20:24] Engineering for connections Municipal
[1:20:26] services and with BC Hydro on the
[1:20:28] relocation of utility poles which Hydro
[1:20:31] had indicated are too close to the
[1:20:32] structures
[1:20:36] uh 622 Main Street has a development
[1:20:39] permit and is waiting for apartment
[1:20:41] student BC archeology Branch uh despite
[1:20:44] not being able to apply for a building
[1:20:45] permit the building official and Public
[1:20:47] Works have been working with the
[1:20:49] architect on this project to ensure that
[1:20:51] the project is as permanent ready as can
[1:20:54] be while they wait for approval student
[1:20:56] products this is not a service I would
[1:20:58] normally authorize as it is using staff
[1:21:01] time without any Department please to
[1:21:02] cover these tasks however the addition
[1:21:04] of 23 rental apartments and park
[1:21:07] commercials of the area is very
[1:21:09] important things clearly necessary as
[1:21:11] such we are devoting staff time to it in
[1:21:13] hopes that will help expedite final
[1:21:15] approvals we will still collect primary
[1:21:18] fees to help offset the staff time
[1:21:19] employment organization
[1:21:22] the final large project on the books is
[1:21:25] the seniors housing facility at 211
[1:21:27] Hillcrest Road uh the applicants have
[1:21:30] received their zoning approvals and have
[1:21:32] indicated to staff that they are now
[1:21:34] working on their drives which for a
[1:21:36] complex building of the scale has a lot
[1:21:39] of moving parts and requires significant
[1:21:40] coordination
[1:21:42] they are still seeking funding and do
[1:21:44] not expect to break ground for another
[1:21:45] few years This Is Not Unusual on a
[1:21:48] project at this scale and they're being
[1:21:50] biased not to Russia
[1:21:56] uh moving on there are currently 26
[1:21:58] active projects with a value of one
[1:22:01] hundred thousand dollars or greater uh
[1:22:03] there are mostly single family dwellings
[1:22:05] although there's duplex in there as well
[1:22:07] I've known commercially are the brewery
[1:22:09] at 104 Main Street and the new location
[1:22:12] in the vet clinic of 103 Main Street and
[1:22:15] I am hoping that 2023 is the year that I
[1:22:17] can take the chicken restaurant to 716.
[1:22:25] foreign
[1:22:40] topic uh is stop work orders
[1:22:43] nine were to shoot in 2022 however I
[1:22:47] have included one additional on this
[1:22:49] list in the building at 341 Main Street
[1:22:51] as there was a significant amount of
[1:22:53] discussion around this structure I will
[1:22:56] be going through each of these items but
[1:22:58] I would ask Council to understand this
[1:23:00] next point before we carry on a stock
[1:23:04] work order is a tool not a punishment I
[1:23:07] understand that it can sometimes be
[1:23:09] embarrassing to receive one uh as you
[1:23:11] can see with many of these projects will
[1:23:13] fire Life Safety are compromised we do
[1:23:15] need a tool to stop or we can get to
[1:23:17] compliance that is clear and enforceable
[1:23:19] most stop recorders are in projects that
[1:23:22] don't have a permit there's a lesser
[1:23:24] need to issue stock orders on Dodgers
[1:23:26] and departments because the building
[1:23:28] official has more ongoing Authority
[1:23:29] Under the bylaw to order changes that
[1:23:32] were not approved as part of the
[1:23:33] Department of
[1:23:35] to start we have three four one Main
[1:23:38] Street
[1:23:39] the stop work order was issued towards
[1:23:42] the end of the 2021 uh the building had
[1:23:45] a very limited scope building permit to
[1:23:48] replace the roof however it was
[1:23:50] discovered that on the authorized
[1:23:51] internal Renovations were also taking
[1:23:53] place
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[1:24:07] videos
[1:24:09] uh fire separations were removed and
[1:24:12] plumbing was uh being further completed
[1:24:14] without permits heard that this building
[1:24:16] is what is called a part three building
[1:24:19] on the building code and an end due to
[1:24:21] its size requires an archetypes under
[1:24:23] provincial legislation in the beginning
[1:24:24] The Architects act uh this was
[1:24:27] especially troubling as there were
[1:24:28] people living in this building at the
[1:24:30] time and the work automatically
[1:24:32] increased the fire danger to these
[1:24:34] people I will touch more on that when we
[1:24:36] talk about the do not occupied order
[1:24:39] um the requirements for applying for a
[1:24:42] permit or to address these issues with
[1:24:44] an architect and a code consultant
[1:24:47] um attempts at applications were made
[1:24:49] but nothing that addressed the scope of
[1:24:52] the of the underpermitted work
[1:24:55] uh the second is the house up on
[1:24:56] Mitchell Road that has started an
[1:24:59] addition to the house without permits
[1:25:01] because no one was on site stock work
[1:25:04] order was placed in the property however
[1:25:05] work didn't continue
[1:25:07] since that time the owner of the
[1:25:09] property has expressed the intention to
[1:25:11] apply for a permit however no department
[1:25:13] has been subfield state
[1:25:15] thank you 345 the Davidson crescents I
[1:25:19] received a software order as there was a
[1:25:21] mobile home in the process of being
[1:25:22] demolished without a permit permits are
[1:25:25] generally required by most landfills to
[1:25:27] accept demolition material and there are
[1:25:29] cases of illegal dumping and hazardous
[1:25:31] materials with an unlimented model
[1:25:32] demolition is charged the additional
[1:25:35] tipping fees that they don't want to pay
[1:25:37] a demolition permit is also to ensure
[1:25:39] that Municipal infrastructure is
[1:25:41] appropriate decapped so that we don't
[1:25:42] have contaminations the water system the
[1:25:46] owner was simply unaware of this
[1:25:47] requirements that they apply for and
[1:25:49] received a part of the department
[1:25:52] of 610 Victoria Street there was a
[1:25:55] significant interior renovation being
[1:25:57] undertaken within a modified mobile home
[1:25:59] again permits are required to accept
[1:26:01] demolition materials uh however
[1:26:03] modifications to mobile homes also
[1:26:05] require participation of structural
[1:26:07] engineer
[1:26:09] mobile homes and modular homes are CSA
[1:26:12] certified in the factory and are not
[1:26:14] inspected under building code as such we
[1:26:16] don't have the ability to approve
[1:26:18] modifications but we are required to
[1:26:20] ensure that they are properly conducted
[1:26:22] and signed off by an engineer as with
[1:26:25] the last one a permanent list submitted
[1:26:26] for an issue Anonymous project
[1:26:30] 369 Park Drive this was the
[1:26:33] Reconstruction of the deck without
[1:26:34] permits and if you want to see why these
[1:26:36] are a life safety issue then I suggest
[1:26:38] to everyone YouTube wedding deck
[1:26:40] collapse and Langley
[1:26:43] decks are just as structural as any
[1:26:45] other part of your house and the
[1:26:46] dangerous point of failure in this case
[1:26:48] there are fire separation and issues
[1:26:50] from the underside and the roof
[1:26:52] structure is incorrect the district has
[1:26:54] received an application but there are
[1:26:56] still outstanding details that must be
[1:26:58] received prior to issues
[1:27:03] 101 horse beef Terrace a full excavation
[1:27:06] in preparations for a foundation board
[1:27:08] was prepared on an accessory building on
[1:27:10] a lot with no principal use and no
[1:27:12] building permanent application it is far
[1:27:15] more agreeable to stop the project at
[1:27:17] this point than to find it halfway
[1:27:19] completed with a non-permittent
[1:27:21] structure may not comply with building
[1:27:23] code or zoning once something is covered
[1:27:25] up in the district's building official
[1:27:27] could not inspect it the only options
[1:27:29] are to uncover the work which is not
[1:27:31] possible in some cases or find an
[1:27:34] engineer who is willing to supply an
[1:27:36] official schedule saying that they will
[1:27:37] take responsibility
[1:27:40] uh permanent has been applied for but is
[1:27:42] not yet but they have issued on this
[1:27:43] project
[1:27:46] uh 921 Columbia Street
[1:27:49] um and the members who were on Council
[1:27:52] previously known that I can get pretty
[1:27:53] interesting around the hillsides uh
[1:27:56] slopes and modifications of slopes
[1:27:59] without engineering oversights of ways
[1:28:01] of causing a number of issues to
[1:28:03] property owners and more importantly
[1:28:05] adjacent property groups water can be
[1:28:07] diverted unintentionally there are
[1:28:09] increased chances of erosion lead into
[1:28:11] line slip uh the bank stability can be
[1:28:14] infected that would cause lines slide
[1:28:16] and rock fall there's always an issue
[1:28:18] for downslope properties the official
[1:28:20] community plan does not permit
[1:28:21] development which includes alterations
[1:28:24] so it's over 30 percent
[1:28:27] unless an engineer told geotechnical
[1:28:29] assessment is undertaken also any
[1:28:32] retaining wall over floor feed requires
[1:28:34] an engineered this is also protect the
[1:28:37] downslope properties or upslope as
[1:28:40] Landslide convenient soon be underlining
[1:28:42] the foundations as well ensuring that
[1:28:44] neighboring properties are not invented
[1:28:46] by the alteration on this property a
[1:28:48] permit has since been applied for
[1:28:50] ambition
[1:29:02] 545 Main Streets and I believe this was
[1:29:05] the old Mount Murray building
[1:29:06] and it has since uh evolved itself into
[1:29:09] a multi-family building however the
[1:29:11] historical records and the primary
[1:29:13] Buddhists are quite a big
[1:29:14] uh there was a building permit on this
[1:29:17] property for the deck in the photo uh
[1:29:19] however the stairs were not shown on the
[1:29:21] planets and ended up being built knobs
[1:29:23] to code
[1:29:24] this also led to the inspector noticing
[1:29:26] that fire separations have been removed
[1:29:28] between units along with unprotected
[1:29:31] penetrations
[1:29:32] the software order was removed by the
[1:29:35] owner however the order stands uh this
[1:29:38] issue became prominent around the time
[1:29:40] of the election the around the time the
[1:29:42] election was starting to ramp up so
[1:29:44] staff had not had time to do additional
[1:29:46] follow-up however as there hasn't been
[1:29:49] any Forward Motion from the owner and
[1:29:51] there are life and safety issues The
[1:29:53] Next Step will be to book a formal buyer
[1:29:55] inspection to assess the hazards that
[1:29:57] have been created
[1:29:58] at this point uh we will have a better
[1:30:01] idea of the district's duty of care
[1:30:03] around this building
[1:30:06] 562 Summer Street uh this one was a
[1:30:10] fairly simple one with new siding and
[1:30:12] windows without permits uh signing in
[1:30:14] Windows or our part the building
[1:30:16] envelope which are addressed as code and
[1:30:19] those requirements have become fairly
[1:30:21] descriptive over the years uh however
[1:30:23] the owner managed to apply for a permit
[1:30:25] within three days and a part of this
[1:30:26] issue could have been another two
[1:30:29] uh finally 45 station Hill Road this was
[1:30:32] in major structural alteration with our
[1:30:34] department a section of the basement
[1:30:36] wall was fully moved
[1:30:39] an excavation around the side of the
[1:30:41] building that could lead to further
[1:30:43] undermining if not adapted correctly
[1:30:48] the owner has indicated that the intends
[1:30:51] to apply for a permit but as we have no
[1:30:52] submission because
[1:30:55] so by way of summary uh there were 99
[1:30:58] building permit applications in campaign
[1:31:08] 99 building permit applications in 2022
[1:31:12] uh their nine stock work orders out of
[1:31:15] those nine six have started the process
[1:31:17] to get a permanent or have already
[1:31:18] received a permanent so in total only
[1:31:21] eight point eight percent of projects
[1:31:23] received to stop reporter with only 4.9
[1:31:26] percent remaining the Big Brother still
[1:31:28] in the highest scoring into 2020. okay
[1:31:32] do not occupy dnos at the last option
[1:31:36] and are only considered the situations
[1:31:39] where the risks of life is immediate and
[1:31:42] action is not being taken we've had two
[1:31:45] dnos in 2022 both of which fit the
[1:31:48] criteria for immediate professors
[1:31:51] uh three for one mainstream work
[1:31:54] continued in contravention of the stock
[1:31:55] report on the property and without the
[1:31:57] oversight the architect required Under
[1:31:59] The Architects Act
[1:32:01] major unpermitted Renovations have
[1:32:03] reduced the fire safety and building to
[1:32:05] a level where a fire started in any
[1:32:07] drawing event or in the main
[1:32:09] construction area
[1:32:11] the fire would have spread to the rest
[1:32:12] of the building faster than the fire
[1:32:14] department would have been able to
[1:32:15] respond
[1:32:18] the fire separations and buildings is
[1:32:19] specifically to slow the spread of fire
[1:32:21] a simple Board of drywall can add up to
[1:32:24] 45 minutes to spread it for firemen in
[1:32:27] this case the drywall between the units
[1:32:29] has been removed while the dwellings
[1:32:31] were occupied which would have made fire
[1:32:33] transmission between me that's
[1:32:35] if not merely instantaneous hard Parker
[1:32:38] than one would expect the entire
[1:32:40] department to respond
[1:32:44] uh this is not as dubious as removing
[1:32:46] the drywall of the single family
[1:32:47] dwelling single family dwelling is a
[1:32:50] single Suite everyone who's living in
[1:32:52] the sweetest knowing what's going on
[1:32:53] when you have multi-family buildings you
[1:32:55] start promoting separation so we got
[1:32:57] fire up here picking up other people who
[1:32:59] are not involved and not aware of all
[1:33:01] the risks that are affected by this
[1:33:03] purpose
[1:33:10] uh the second order was at 177 Davidson
[1:33:14] Crescent foreign
[1:33:24] despite years of discussion since 2014
[1:33:26] with the owner and multiple dialogue
[1:33:28] complaints they continue to occupy the
[1:33:30] building from time to time uh without
[1:33:32] undertaking appropriate safety repairs
[1:33:36] despite the best attempts the fire
[1:33:37] departments related the dangers to the
[1:33:39] occupants the final solution was to
[1:33:41] order the well-date unoccupied
[1:33:50] thank you
[1:33:52] okay questions for staff
[1:34:06] oh counselor
[1:34:08] uh thank you uh and through the way here
[1:34:12] um thank you so much for compiling uh
[1:34:15] this uh this report
[1:34:17] um we had the pleasure of reading I
[1:34:20] guess the raw data in our in our handout
[1:34:23] and it's great to hear I guess the the uh the context and and the notes uh
[1:34:30] in your in your presentation
[1:34:33] and it is uh it is impressive to see the
[1:34:37] increase in development in Lola went I
[1:34:40] think that's uh that's fantastic to uh
[1:34:42] to see that growth
[1:34:44] um it is nice to see the uh the number
[1:34:47] of um uh homes that are being built
[1:34:51] um at the same time
[1:34:53] consider that the only 11 homes that
[1:34:56] were built in the last year and there's
[1:34:57] a
[1:34:58] 1458 in town uh it's uh that number is
[1:35:03] hardly sufficient uh to maintain the
[1:35:06] housing stock in uh English Community
[1:35:08] let alone a meaningful expand the uh the
[1:35:11] inventory
[1:35:13] um so in that sense it's nice to hear
[1:35:14] that staff is dedicating time on some of
[1:35:17] these larger projects and you know
[1:35:19] projects in general in order to be uh to
[1:35:22] move permits along development
[1:35:25] things and and other papers that you do
[1:35:28] that is required to uh uh to to get
[1:35:32] these projects going
[1:35:34] um obviously with regard to stock work
[1:35:36] orders issued
[1:35:38] um uh uh I know that you know uh not all
[1:35:42] these orders were issued on
[1:35:45] um a project where building permit was
[1:35:47] uh issued uh but still it's uh you know
[1:35:51] 10 of the number of building permits
[1:35:53] issued is quite stunning
[1:35:56] um uh later when I sort of read that you
[1:35:58] know a lot of these top work orders are
[1:36:00] relating to demolitions uh rather than
[1:36:03] new new and built uh it uh
[1:36:07] um you know it puts things a little bit
[1:36:09] more in the in context and um
[1:36:14] uh
[1:36:16] I think ultimately there's uh there's
[1:36:19] still as we continue to see more uh the
[1:36:22] more activity in this uh in this area uh
[1:36:25] I think we're still a lot of rooms for
[1:36:26] improvement uh in uh on on uh that's
[1:36:31] where all stakeholders involved I think
[1:36:34] um as you can clearly see that uh but
[1:36:36] everyone has a role to play in this and
[1:36:39] then so uh I'm looking forward to
[1:36:43] reviewing uh uh our building by law and
[1:36:47] some of the other uh bylaws that are relevant to this uh this area
[1:36:51] to see what what the district can do in
[1:36:53] order to
[1:36:54] facilitate some of those improvements
[1:36:56] and uh
[1:36:58] and the other improvements will have to
[1:37:01] come from further educating
[1:37:03] contractors and people homeowners that
[1:37:07] are willing or wanting to do certain
[1:37:09] projects and that sort of stuff so
[1:37:10] that's uh
[1:37:12] um yeah so that's uh that was my comment
[1:37:16] not a question Stephanie but thank you
[1:37:19] big comment that's appreciate it
[1:37:23] [Music]
[1:37:28] another comment to make I've been
[1:37:30] receiving
[1:37:32] um I would have sort of complex
[1:37:35] I don't know when you guys get them or
[1:37:38] not and and I haven't got the full
[1:37:40] correspondence so I'm a little bit later
[1:37:42] on we'll dig into it some more and I'll
[1:37:45] be talking to you if I can talk to you
[1:37:47] about the program
[1:37:51] what's going on and then we'll just just
[1:37:52] so I have some answers to prepare people
[1:37:58] that's been trying to show everybody
[1:38:03] pick up
[1:38:04] I think it's important also to find out
[1:38:07] what other communities are doing and
[1:38:10] online with other communities and going
[1:38:14] on the more information looking more
[1:38:15] education we get the more education and
[1:38:18] information we can we can share that
[1:38:21] lady there that we first talked to said
[1:38:23] that our purpose were down 45 she said
[1:38:26] 45 or 47 percent
[1:38:29] so
[1:38:30] that that shows something too that we
[1:38:33] have we have to have a discussion about
[1:38:35] these burdens there's a moments going on
[1:38:38] 100 that the military just came
[1:38:41] for that um I'm getting started get
[1:38:44] feedback
[1:38:47] that's really that's what I know
[1:38:49] socially
[1:38:52] good information okay
[1:38:56] seeing no further watch gems
[1:39:00] um can I have somebody move that the
[1:39:02] 2022 building statistics report dated
[1:39:05] January 11 2023 to be received for
[1:39:07] information
[1:39:11] downside abroad counselor Bland or
[1:39:15] vinegar
[1:39:16] Dr Perry
[1:39:20] that's 12.1 DBP 22.
[1:39:27] um Dash zero one zero three two nine
[1:39:29] from Hollywood Crescent variance to
[1:39:31] printage requirement and Road
[1:39:33] improvements
[1:39:35] in the Southeast introduce this topic
[1:39:49] thank you madam mayor uh DDP 22-010 is
[1:40:07] an application to vary provisions of the
[1:40:09] zoning bylaw and the subdivision
[1:40:10] development servicing dialogue to
[1:40:12] facilitate between one line subdivision
[1:40:14] that's 329 and Hollywood aggressive
[1:40:17] the applicants is proposing to create
[1:40:19] one additional lot
[1:40:21] as a panhandle from Hollywood Crescent
[1:40:23] while pen and handles are not always the
[1:40:26] best use of land the 2020 to 2040 ocean
[1:40:29] P has stated that this area should
[1:40:31] remain large rural residential and
[1:40:34] suburb in residential lots with minimum
[1:40:36] lot sizes of 2 000 square meters sewer
[1:40:39] extension I think
[1:40:41] given the character design throughout
[1:40:43] the hot farm and the placement of homes
[1:40:44] in the very front or rear properties six
[1:40:47] meter panhandles are generally the only
[1:40:49] option
[1:40:51] uh staff had not been supporting
[1:40:52] Panhandle subdivisions and so the
[1:40:54] adoption of the 20 uh 40 ocp made it
[1:40:57] clear that this was the direction of
[1:40:59] subdivision that's a contingent that
[1:41:01] Community wished to see on the hot Farm
[1:41:04] the variance to the zoning by a lot has
[1:41:06] to do with the minimum franchise
[1:41:07] legislation requires that any new locks
[1:41:10] have a minimum of 10 percent of its
[1:41:11] perimeter fronting the highway that it
[1:41:14] access to dodge
[1:41:15] however it gets Council and the
[1:41:17] approving officer the authority to
[1:41:19] reduce this requirement as any large
[1:41:21] lock pan handle is not going to be able
[1:41:23] to make a 10 threshold staff have been
[1:41:25] supporting any variances that have come
[1:41:27] aboard the variance request in this case
[1:41:30] is 10 to two and a half percent
[1:41:33] there's also a small shed on compose Lot
[1:41:36] 2 which is cited in a manner that was
[1:41:38] not conform to the section of the zoning
[1:41:40] bylaw requiring an accessory structure
[1:41:42] to be behind the principal residence
[1:41:45] rather than require the demolition of a
[1:41:47] functional shed staff are recommending
[1:41:49] that this section in question be varied
[1:41:51] to allow the building to be in front of
[1:41:53] the principal departure to further
[1:41:55] assuage any concerns the building in
[1:41:57] question is only three square meters but
[1:41:59] generally it would not generally require
[1:42:01] a building environment as a low risk
[1:42:03] structure under 10 square meters
[1:42:06] two provisions of the SDS by law are
[1:42:09] looking to be buried and required to not
[1:42:11] required the first being a 1.5 meter
[1:42:14] game sidewalk staff are currently
[1:42:16] reviewing the SDS bylaw sidewalk
[1:42:19] requirements and it is believed that
[1:42:21] there isn't a call or need for sidewalks
[1:42:23] in the Hoth Barn given the generous Road
[1:42:24] dedication and the volume of traffic
[1:42:27] similarly a one meter wide gravel
[1:42:29] shoulder could be deemed excessive at
[1:42:32] this time staff are recommending the
[1:42:36] dbp22-010 be approved amount of marriage
[1:42:39] is now appropriate to helping the floors
[1:42:41] anyone who wishes to speak for or
[1:42:43] against the variants starting with the
[1:42:45] advocate
[1:42:46] and speaking to variances
[1:42:50] thank you
[1:42:51] is the applicant here
[1:42:54] you wish to speak
[1:42:56] [Music]
[1:42:58] names that all sounded good yeah
[1:43:03] we'll answer any questions anybody else
[1:43:07] okay
[1:43:08] does anybody have any questions
[1:43:13] the water down
[1:43:18] on the hot part yes
[1:43:21] I think so it's um this property is
[1:43:24] actually right across the street for me
[1:43:26] and it's and you cleaned it up quite
[1:43:28] thinking maybe yes
[1:43:32] um to be a little more specific amount
[1:43:34] of America there is addict with flow in
[1:43:35] the hot front at this time and uh the
[1:43:38] um it's water mains that are up on the
[1:43:40] hot bottom are between 150 and 200
[1:43:43] millimeters each piece that requirements
[1:43:45] of fiesta is 500.
[1:43:48] foreign
[1:43:50] any further questions
[1:43:53] saying none I'm gonna ask that somebody
[1:43:55] moved that the development variance
[1:43:58] permit
[1:44:00] dbp22-010 for the proposed Panhandle
[1:44:03] Club division at 329 Hollywood Crescent
[1:44:06] legally described as lot 43 plan
[1:44:10] kh10764 District lot 162 Lowell Atlanta
[1:44:14] District to vary the following
[1:44:15] Provisions as written be approached uh
[1:44:20] councilor Reeves secondly is second by
[1:44:23] councilor McNary all in favor
[1:44:27] okay
[1:44:31] down to 12.2 GDP
[1:44:36] 22-009647 Summer Street or advanced in
[1:44:38] Frontage Department road improvements
[1:44:40] and water upgrades
[1:44:45] uh thank you Matt and the bear the
[1:44:47] requested their names says in rationale
[1:44:49] for DVP
[1:44:51] 22-009 of nearly identical to that of
[1:44:54] DBP 22010 that was just considered by
[1:44:58] Council so it won't bother repeating
[1:45:00] most of what I just said is because it
[1:45:01] continues to be relevant to this
[1:45:02] application uh the difference in the
[1:45:05] frontage variants it's from 10 to 3.19
[1:45:08] in this case similarly they're
[1:45:10] requesting the gravel shoulder and the
[1:45:12] sidewalk uh be buried which is
[1:45:15] consistent with the existing
[1:45:17] staff are recommending approval of these
[1:45:20] parts is there to surprise
[1:45:22] with this application differs from
[1:45:24] dbp2-010 it is a request to vary the
[1:45:27] need to obtain because 60 liter per
[1:45:29] second buyer Flow by upgrading the water
[1:45:31] main serving the property from 100
[1:45:34] kilometers to 150 millimeters for
[1:45:37] approximately 183 meters
[1:45:41] the application has proposed the council
[1:45:44] identified the water main as a feature
[1:45:47] upgrade project or that Council
[1:45:49] established a global service area which
[1:45:51] would see a special levity be collected
[1:45:53] from all of the parcels benefiting from
[1:45:55] the extended service which would be paid
[1:45:57] until the cost is recovered
[1:46:00] the current level of fire protection is
[1:46:03] 24 liters per second but the SDS by a
[1:46:06] lot has a minimum of 60 digits per
[1:46:08] second this is different requirements as
[1:46:10] provided by the fire and the writers
[1:46:12] survey Service as the minimum standard
[1:46:15] single Family Dollars this is also the
[1:46:18] international standards published by big
[1:46:19] International Code Council
[1:46:22] the cursory review of our neighboring
[1:46:24] communities show that they also require
[1:46:26] similar fire flow requirements perly
[1:46:29] agreed upon standards Pemberton does not
[1:46:32] give a number but best weapons both mmcd
[1:46:35] and the fire Underwriters survey saying
[1:46:38] that the calculation must be done for
[1:46:40] both uh for both and the more stringent
[1:46:42] requirement will take precedures for
[1:46:45] residential developments there is no
[1:46:47] chance that these requirements would be
[1:46:48] below 60 meters per second
[1:46:51] uh Kamloops since the flow requirements
[1:46:53] of 85 liters per second for residential
[1:46:56] and even mobile homes are higher than 75
[1:46:58] range per second Kamloops does have
[1:47:01] Provisions for new development where if
[1:47:03] new development cannot achieve fire flow
[1:47:05] but it usually involves requiring
[1:47:08] um the new dwellings to have an interior
[1:47:10] sprinkler system installed
[1:47:13] uh Ashcroft to Karen Mills are also
[1:47:16] small towns and have the same table and
[1:47:18] their subdivision development of service
[1:47:19] to the bylaws that we do requiring 60
[1:47:22] liters per second for single family
[1:47:25] residential
[1:47:26] uh generally generally one is composing
[1:47:29] to Barry and engineered safety
[1:47:31] requirement I ask that an engineering
[1:47:33] alternative can provide that either
[1:47:34] meets or beats the minimum standard I
[1:47:37] will point out that smaller towns have
[1:47:39] been reticent to adopt hard requirements
[1:47:42] for sprinklers spring flooring of low
[1:47:45] density residential due to the cost
[1:47:47] ongoing maintenance and basketball
[1:47:48] issues that can be caused by other
[1:47:50] maintained systems
[1:47:51] staff are recommending that the
[1:47:53] provisions to vary the upgrade the
[1:47:55] upgrades required to achieve minimum
[1:47:57] fireflow we denied uh Matt and mayor is
[1:48:00] now appropriate to open the floor to
[1:48:02] anyone who wants to speak before or
[1:48:04] against the variants uh starting with
[1:48:06] the applicants and I do believe that The
[1:48:08] Advocates have joined us uh virtually
[1:48:09] today and may turn on the camera and
[1:48:12] microphone at this time
[1:48:25] hello
[1:48:28] hi Hi how are you thank you very much
[1:48:31] for taking the time to hear us I really
[1:48:32] appreciate it
[1:48:34] thank you for coming
[1:48:36] um the second thing that you would like
[1:48:38] to address the the council generic
[1:48:41] Council
[1:48:43] yep Reuben
[1:48:45] yeah good and thank you Kinsley good
[1:48:47] evening uh Madam mayor and members of
[1:48:49] council thank you for the opportunity to
[1:48:52] speak to the application tonight
[1:48:55] um I'm my name is Ruben Lee I'm a
[1:48:57] planner with Michael learning and on
[1:49:00] behalf of the owner I'm the agent on the
[1:49:03] application and I'll speak very briefly
[1:49:06] to the application tonight we have
[1:49:09] previewed the comprehensive staff report
[1:49:12] and we knew our letter of Russian now
[1:49:16] document was also being present here to
[1:49:19] you for tonight
[1:49:21] um
[1:49:22] I just wanted to say they proposed
[1:49:25] subdivision
[1:49:27] um does bring benefits to the local
[1:49:29] community the subject property is within
[1:49:33] the priority uh growth area within the
[1:49:37] district and it's very um by proposing a
[1:49:42] additional two smaller residential lot
[1:49:45] that would provide additional
[1:49:48] affordable and attainable housing
[1:49:50] options for people who wants to live in
[1:49:53] that location being close to the
[1:49:56] downtown we do understand
[1:49:59] there is a requirement to upgrade the
[1:50:02] water servicing for a total of 181
[1:50:05] meters in order to provide the
[1:50:08] sufficient fire flow which um which
[1:50:11] would benefit
[1:50:13] um approximately 22 residential drawings
[1:50:18] uh sorry my my apologize uh less than 22
[1:50:22] dropping
[1:50:24] um units on along Summer Street
[1:50:28] um I just wanted to point out the
[1:50:30] existing water line on Summer Street is
[1:50:33] not sufficient to provide the the
[1:50:37] minimum required fire flow and we we
[1:50:40] understand we understood and we are
[1:50:43] grave is the city staff that the fire uh
[1:50:46] the safety is number one priority for you know for every resident who
[1:50:52] lives in that area this or without the
[1:50:55] proposed subdivision application they
[1:50:59] there will be a total of 22 residential
[1:51:02] travelings that they currently do not
[1:51:04] have proper fire protection capacity due
[1:51:08] to the existing water flow condition
[1:51:11] not that we are proposing this
[1:51:13] subdivision and is required for the
[1:51:15] owner to upgrade the water servicing
[1:51:18] line to the property line again so
[1:51:22] having that in mind even if we do that
[1:51:25] there will be
[1:51:27] um the residents
[1:51:29] um
[1:51:30] in the north west in northeast of
[1:51:36] Summer Street they do they would not
[1:51:39] have they still would not have the
[1:51:42] proper fire uh protection
[1:51:45] the cost of upgrading the water line is
[1:51:49] significant for the individual owner of
[1:51:53] the subject poverty and it's unlikely
[1:51:56] you know
[1:51:57] um the the owner will
[1:52:01] um upgrade the water servicing line
[1:52:03] himself due to the significant cost
[1:52:07] and and potentially the costs are
[1:52:10] significantly more than the potential
[1:52:14] um
[1:52:15] Revenue return if the owner
[1:52:19] um sell two of the three some rural
[1:52:23] residential laws so as a result the land
[1:52:26] will likely remain awakened if um if in
[1:52:30] that scenario now that are the owner is more than willing
[1:52:35] to look at other options together
[1:52:38] working together with the district and
[1:52:41] also the adjacent
[1:52:43] um neighbors to you know to make make it
[1:52:47] happen and upgrade the water servicing
[1:52:50] line we understand this Capital project
[1:52:53] is not identified in your last year or
[1:52:56] next year in your capital projects
[1:53:00] but we we are proposing Council to
[1:53:04] consider the option to this tablet to
[1:53:07] create a cost sharing agreement
[1:53:11] among the district the owner and they
[1:53:15] are Jason neighbors who we we understand
[1:53:18] you know is also looking to subdivide
[1:53:21] the the lot into smaller residential
[1:53:24] laws they there's always another option
[1:53:27] to for the uh as indicated in staff
[1:53:29] report to require the owner to upgrade
[1:53:33] the water servicing and create a lake
[1:53:35] Commerce agreement however given the
[1:53:38] surrounding context you know there won't
[1:53:40] more likely they won't be getting
[1:53:42] additional lot can be
[1:53:45] um
[1:53:46] lovely weddings father
[1:53:48] in that neighborhood so which means new
[1:53:50] owner would not get reimbursed from
[1:53:54] um from this Lake Commerce agreement
[1:53:56] arrangement
[1:53:57] and the last option is to to to to to
[1:54:02] look at this is to do a local area
[1:54:05] service
[1:54:06] which would require you know as we
[1:54:09] indicated in the rational report list by doing that the The Province to
[1:54:15] thus uh authorize the local government
[1:54:18] to establish a local area service bylaw
[1:54:21] which would which means you know the
[1:54:24] um they they they
[1:54:26] affected residents they will take the
[1:54:30] responsible of financially for upgrading
[1:54:34] the water servicing line through uh you
[1:54:37] know a multiple options to to pay it
[1:54:41] back to the district uh however this
[1:54:44] will require a 50 of petition
[1:54:47] from the affected resonance on summer street so three options and
[1:54:55] we apparently you know the owner is uh
[1:55:00] um waiting to participate in the cost
[1:55:03] streaming agreement or through the local
[1:55:06] area service Arrangement however you
[1:55:10] know by himself to upgrade the water
[1:55:12] service line is financially not visible
[1:55:15] at this point this concludes my
[1:55:19] presentation thank you mad at me
[1:55:37] thank you very much for taking the time
[1:55:39] to listen to Reuben
[1:55:41] he's been working hard for quite a while
[1:55:43] on this with me and I I visited louette
[1:55:47] multiple times I've spent a couple
[1:55:48] nights at the tasket Hotel
[1:55:50] I love your the town it's a great spot I
[1:55:53] will be back soon and um
[1:55:55] as Reuben said we understand that the
[1:55:58] clericals are very important for safety
[1:56:00] especially with the
[1:56:01] changing climate conditions and things
[1:56:03] being more and more
[1:56:05] flammable to say the least so
[1:56:08] it's obviously very important that we're
[1:56:09] all safe for for the future you know now
[1:56:12] and then longer term
[1:56:13] and perhaps upgrading the water main for
[1:56:16] the for the entire area is the best
[1:56:18] solution for everybody in a cost shared
[1:56:20] model
[1:56:21] um
[1:56:22] however I I this is my my first time
[1:56:24] subdividing a property I new at this and
[1:56:27] learning as I go and I
[1:56:29] just appreciate the chance to be here so
[1:56:30] thank you very much
[1:56:39] that the water line from how far you
[1:56:43] gotta go did you figure that out yet
[1:56:46] so the cost for the entire water line
[1:56:48] the 181 meters
[1:56:50] yeah I think we came in about
[1:56:53] approximately 350 000 dollars
[1:56:57] that was about six months ago we did the
[1:57:00] um
[1:57:00] the modeling on that
[1:57:08] that's why we
[1:57:15] kind of like if it's possible to get
[1:57:17] some feedback from our chief but I'm
[1:57:20] wondering in our ocp is there any
[1:57:24] um
[1:57:25] and I should know all this because I've
[1:57:27] been on the house of functionality but I
[1:57:28] can't remember everything
[1:57:30] um is there anything in our ocp about
[1:57:33] upgrading water lines as we're doing
[1:57:36] streets and this that the other and I
[1:57:39] know years ago just because of a lot of
[1:57:42] conflict after the facts
[1:57:45] when things were changed up on the part
[1:57:47] of the stone as charcotics
[1:57:50] right so
[1:57:52] um I'm just curious if there's anything
[1:57:54] in the ocp like in the future where
[1:57:56] something will be being done
[1:57:58] um thank you madam Mary the potential
[1:58:00] community plan doesn't get into that
[1:58:02] kind of detail uh with asset replacement
[1:58:04] that's what we ask the management plan
[1:58:05] that we'll be doing
[1:58:07] um however the ocp does have the
[1:58:09] development department area which is
[1:58:10] over the entire town specific to fire
[1:58:13] protection it requires that negative
[1:58:14] subdivisions our registered continents
[1:58:16] on their properties uh so that they
[1:58:18] build Best Buy response practices so
[1:58:20] that does assist uh with lowering fire
[1:58:24] risk
[1:58:25] um unfortunately that's not tied to the
[1:58:27] higher level but it is something for the
[1:58:29] ocp uh this is
[1:58:33] already participated in having that
[1:58:36] continent trafficking registered
[1:58:38] all right
[1:58:42] okay we're gonna follow up there if I
[1:58:45] could um get some feedback from the fire
[1:58:48] chief I remember reading something here
[1:58:50] I'm trying to find it about the
[1:58:52] unlikelhood of having four fires in ones
[1:58:58] I know okay great
[1:59:02] okay well maybe I I'll just pop in for a
[1:59:05] second
[1:59:06] um with regards to the OCC I know that
[1:59:09] you know our whole uh trying to densify properties we have
[1:59:18] that particular property of the low
[1:59:20] density residential which is a minimum
[1:59:23] lot size of 0.04 of a hectare
[1:59:26] this property at the time BC assessment
[1:59:30] is point zero or seven zero four of an
[1:59:33] acre which is 0.28 of a hectare and so
[1:59:36] given that the minimum lot size is 0.04
[1:59:41] that would be about seven properties but
[1:59:43] if you had to take away like Road
[1:59:46] allowances and and whatever maybe five
[1:59:49] properties so I'd like to ask the owner
[1:59:53] um have you thought about more than
[1:59:55] three properties have you thought about
[1:59:57] five properties to try and recoup some
[2:00:00] of these costs and also you know when I
[2:00:03] drove to us there was multiple
[2:00:04] properties that I see because there's a
[2:00:06] lot of big properties down there and I
[2:00:07] heard through the grapevine you know
[2:00:09] other people's wanting people wanting to
[2:00:13] um subdivide and Panhandle and that kind
[2:00:15] of thing have you thought about
[2:00:17] um kind of getting that neighborhood to
[2:00:20] do more of them and cutting the cost
[2:00:22] because if you take you know 350 divided
[2:00:25] by you know it might
[2:00:27] they might be more feasible if that was
[2:00:30] the root so I'm just wondering if if
[2:00:32] that was an option to you
[2:00:35] yeah thank you for your question and um
[2:00:37] we both Reuben and I looked at a three
[2:00:40] four five six
[2:00:43] I don't think we did seven I think we
[2:00:44] did three four five and six
[2:00:46] um law subdivision for the property and
[2:00:49] we arrived at three as being the most in line with what we felt was
[2:00:55] the kind of the community feel in that
[2:00:58] area of liloette in that it may be zoned
[2:01:01] for more high density than three lots
[2:01:03] but at the same time I think it's a
[2:01:05] beautiful piece of land down there right
[2:01:06] on the edge of the river and I think if
[2:01:08] you were to put too many houses in a
[2:01:10] small space it would lose part of the
[2:01:12] attractiveness and they actually become
[2:01:14] more difficult to sell
[2:01:15] because you would have you'd be creating
[2:01:18] people don't really want to go far away
[2:01:20] from the city and be crammed in again I
[2:01:22] feel like if you're going to move up to
[2:01:23] a place as beautiful as lillouettes you
[2:01:25] want to have a little bit of space and
[2:01:27] I'm not a developer by any means I'm
[2:01:28] just a I bought the piece of land with
[2:01:30] my wife we live in Vancouver and we're
[2:01:33] you know just regular people like
[2:01:35] everybody else
[2:01:36] um but my just my internal feeling was
[2:01:38] if it was more than three it would begin
[2:01:41] to become
[2:01:42] too crowded to make it desirable for
[2:01:45] anybody in that I think you want to move
[2:01:47] to a place like little wet for the
[2:01:48] rugged for the outdoors for the space
[2:01:50] and that's kind of what I to me anyway
[2:01:52] is sort of the selling point of being in
[2:01:54] a place as special as the louette
[2:01:57] um so that was my feeling I'm going more
[2:01:59] than three but we did model it I believe
[2:02:00] if we modeled six then there was a a
[2:02:03] strata unit came in into place you had
[2:02:05] to put a road down the middle of it and
[2:02:06] that was a whole different set of
[2:02:08] permits and variances and development
[2:02:10] issues came with that
[2:02:13] um and then
[2:02:14] as far as approaching the neighbors I
[2:02:16] did actually email one of the neighbors
[2:02:18] and asked him what he thought about cost
[2:02:20] sharing uh
[2:02:23] and what we could do about that I don't
[2:02:24] know how I didn't have any contacts for
[2:02:25] anybody else I haven't been back to
[2:02:26] lillouette since but I did think that
[2:02:28] coming up there and spending some time
[2:02:31] talking to neighbors meeting them seeing
[2:02:32] what they believe what they think and if
[2:02:34] they would like to in the future develop
[2:02:37] there may be a way that we could share a
[2:02:39] part of the cost and lit as a town
[2:02:40] that'd be able to share part of the cost
[2:02:41] that way it would be mitigated amongst
[2:02:43] everybody
[2:02:44] so I
[2:02:45] I've taken those into consideration and I think that a cost sharing basis is
[2:02:50] probably the best way forward
[2:02:53] if if you have any ideas on
[2:02:56] people moving to a place like louette
[2:02:58] wanting to be close together maybe maybe
[2:02:59] I'm mistaken in my assumptions on what
[2:03:02] people would like but um
[2:03:04] if it were me I think I'd like some
[2:03:06] space if I were up there that's just why
[2:03:07] I stopped it through but Reuben can
[2:03:09] maybe speak to it a bit more in terms of
[2:03:10] engineering
[2:03:11] yeah if I may uh assume Madame mayor
[2:03:15] um we we did like uh Kingsley mentioned
[2:03:18] we didn't look at on different options
[2:03:20] different densities number of lots we
[2:03:23] can get from this land
[2:03:25] um we if anything above three loss that
[2:03:30] would require us to do uh to do race
[2:03:32] through a barrel and strata
[2:03:34] configuration which means we have to
[2:03:37] bring we have to design and construct a
[2:03:41] private load to provide access to for
[2:03:44] each lot to connect to the Summer Street
[2:03:47] and the Berlin Strada
[2:03:50] in a product we are a little we were a
[2:03:54] little bit nervous about this concept
[2:03:55] you know whether that's fitted into the
[2:03:59] existing level of contacts you know we
[2:04:01] may get some pushback from the existing
[2:04:03] residents and and also the uh the
[2:04:06] products would require the owners to pay
[2:04:10] a a monthly fee to um to to the to the
[2:04:15] board to the count to the strata board
[2:04:18] to maintain and operate the common
[2:04:20] properties so those are the disc
[2:04:22] advantages and on top of that when we did when we look at the options
[2:04:28] of water servicing is the big factor
[2:04:31] came coming into play and in disparity
[2:04:34] for you know in terms of the number of
[2:04:36] densities the number loss we are
[2:04:38] proposing
[2:04:40] thank you
[2:04:46] um what is your proposal on um sharing
[2:04:50] the cost
[2:04:51] of that three hundred and fifty thousand
[2:04:53] dollars did uh
[2:04:56] to the town
[2:05:05] for this thing is
[2:05:12] the externally muted yourself again and
[2:05:14] I'll just start on this if I may
[2:05:17] um
[2:05:18] the the
[2:05:20] way that these local service areas are
[2:05:22] usually done is it's a cost breakdown
[2:05:24] based on Frontage and lot size and
[2:05:26] there's usually some that it goes into a
[2:05:28] determine
[2:05:30] um the value of the extended service to
[2:05:33] the to the properties
[2:05:35] um I do believe that they've also
[2:05:36] suggested a more private kind of
[2:05:39] cost-sharing agreement
[2:05:41] um and you can break up the contract
[2:05:43] however you'd like
[2:05:45] um I don't believe anyone's gone so far
[2:05:47] as to get those numbers
[2:05:50] um but they're it would be a prescribed
[2:05:54] formulas they figure out who would be
[2:05:56] responsible to cover was and it would be
[2:05:58] other properties that directly to see
[2:06:00] the extended service
[2:06:02] okay thank you if I may not sorry it's
[2:06:05] true through Madam mayor um adding
[2:06:08] additional notes on that
[2:06:10] um proposal
[2:06:12] um and that it is regarding the local
[2:06:14] area service bylaw there are two ways
[2:06:18] one two ways to to do that
[2:06:21] um one is you know you choose a formula
[2:06:23] two formulas one formula is divided the
[2:06:26] cost five block Frontage or if you
[2:06:29] choose to divide the total divide the
[2:06:32] total cost by number of laws in that
[2:06:36] area
[2:06:37] um again you know they're um more
[2:06:40] details needs to be explored in in that
[2:06:42] option but and that outfit that option
[2:06:46] does allow all the effective
[2:06:50] um Property Owners to participate and
[2:06:52] contribute to to make it happen without
[2:06:57] um the ministry of the district
[2:06:59] allocating a budget in doing that water
[2:07:04] servicing upgrade thank you
[2:07:14] just quite quite there with an asterisk
[2:07:16] and everything
[2:07:18] um
[2:07:18] so it's noted on one of these for and
[2:07:21] against form
[2:07:24] and this I would like to through the day
[2:07:26] or if addressed tweets are fired sheep
[2:07:29] it says that Summer Street has some of
[2:07:32] the best water pressure in town and then
[2:07:35] it goes on to saved as the Wildfire
[2:07:38] Hazard and hydrant volume based on poor
[2:07:40] fires in progress simultaneously in the
[2:07:43] district of below about this abuse the
[2:07:46] district only has
[2:07:48] do operate fire trucks and we cannot
[2:07:50] support foreign buyers I'm
[2:07:52] curious as to you know the area better
[2:07:54] than any other probably
[2:07:56] and and so I'm curious on water pressure
[2:07:59] and is it a fire thing that we're
[2:08:01] addressing here or is it falling in her
[2:08:04] home I'm
[2:08:06] sorry
[2:08:08] Pirates I'm unsure that through your
[2:08:12] mirror I'm sure unsure of that but
[2:08:14] that's
[2:08:15] um
[2:08:16] the statement is incorrect as far as
[2:08:18] truck so we have a mutually agreement so
[2:08:21] in all tones you have actually two
[2:08:24] Frontline fire trucks which are large
[2:08:26] apparatus but we also have one in the
[2:08:28] desert but we also have future excluded
[2:08:32] two different examples First Nations
[2:08:35] which also have two more important drugs
[2:08:37] but we also have a mini pumper as well
[2:08:41] as a set very tendon that has funnel
[2:08:44] capabilities that doesn't mean that we
[2:08:47] can't fight fires off of pioneers so the
[2:08:49] water pressure that it takes into place
[2:08:52] we can fight off of fire hydrants itself
[2:08:54] so it's not just that we have two fire
[2:08:56] trucks put into the fires right so it's
[2:09:00] bringing in all of our services together
[2:09:03] so but I'm sure where that comes from
[2:09:06] the one
[2:09:07] before fires well I'm just curious as to
[2:09:10] whether the hydrant does have enough
[2:09:12] pressure again if I get nothing I
[2:09:15] yeah I don't yeah there is
[2:09:18] um again
[2:09:23] the 60 liters per second is a is a more
[2:09:26] modern
[2:09:27] um
[2:09:29] that's not to say that you're not going
[2:09:31] to be Hazel to by the fire with the 22
[2:09:33] liters per second that's in there
[2:09:36] um
[2:09:36] but I'm and I wish I were an expert on
[2:09:39] everything I'm not I'm not sure at what
[2:09:40] points um where fires engulfed the
[2:09:43] building uh where you require that 60
[2:09:45] liters or you can either played off the
[2:09:47] back go um I would imagine something
[2:09:48] smaller would be able to be fought with
[2:09:51] a 24 literally flow
[2:09:54] um
[2:09:55] the the issue here is really that we
[2:09:58] have the minimum standards in the SDS
[2:10:00] biolog we've adopted the the minimum
[2:10:02] flow standards um from the fire under
[2:10:04] render survey
[2:10:06] um items
[2:10:08] if it is varies the sky will not fall
[2:10:12] um but then we still end ourselves at
[2:10:15] the same issue of having now
[2:10:18] 23 uh logs
[2:10:21] um uh that may not be served with now
[2:10:23] the addition of carriage official
[2:10:25] secondary Suites
[2:10:28] um there perhaps the the
[2:10:31] amount of risk that that is going to
[2:10:34] create is not significant
[2:10:38] however it does sort of set a precedence
[2:10:41] as well for other people can tell them
[2:10:43] so what points is the development dense
[2:10:45] enough
[2:10:46] um that we don't consider bearing this
[2:10:49] is it is it five is it 20 or is it if is
[2:10:53] there a remainder of the lot they're
[2:10:54] good service an additional uh 15 would
[2:10:57] be subdivided in the future and to get
[2:10:59] around upgrading and just chunk off
[2:11:01] three every few years
[2:11:03] um and that's this is all I'm not saying
[2:11:06] that that's this can't go on here on
[2:11:08] this is just examples of things to think
[2:11:10] of while you're considering whether to
[2:11:12] Grant this variants or not
[2:11:14] um in in terms of liability we do have
[2:11:17] Municipal liability insurance
[2:11:20] um so if anything does come out of this
[2:11:21] and it has been passed by the revolution
[2:11:23] rather than just waved on by staff which
[2:11:26] is why we've done two of those things
[2:11:28] The Sims are not covered
[2:11:30] um we will be covered under their
[2:11:34] um organization thank you
[2:11:38] my question would be are they covered
[2:11:42] if there's not enough water like are
[2:11:45] they covered if their house burns
[2:11:48] like how how do we know that I just want
[2:11:51] to make sure that if we're going to
[2:11:53] allow
[2:11:55] more homes to be in uh and you know
[2:11:58] where we don't have the water capacity
[2:12:00] to put out a fire should there be one
[2:12:04] um what what happens to the insurance
[2:12:07] for the existing 22 that were built
[2:12:10] previously based on Old rules and now
[2:12:14] we're we've got new rules and we're yet
[2:12:16] we're still we're still allowing that so
[2:12:18] my my concern I don't know
[2:12:22] I don't and again not an expert on
[2:12:24] everything right
[2:12:26] um I don't believe insurance agencies
[2:12:28] generally look too closely at fireflows
[2:12:31] I believe they look at if something is
[2:12:32] within a fire service area uh they are
[2:12:35] within a fire service area we do have
[2:12:38] um additional
[2:12:40] um methods to switch the bike buyers
[2:12:42] including the water tenders which if
[2:12:44] needed they could be uh I'm sorry I'm
[2:12:47] just starting I assume they can be
[2:12:49] called up to residential areas that need
[2:12:50] it
[2:12:52] um so that they are still serves by the
[2:12:55] fire protection that we offer
[2:12:57] um
[2:12:58] at the risk of sounding Sydney though
[2:13:01] um the issue of insurance is between
[2:13:03] them and their insurance providers
[2:13:07] okay thank you councilor de bruyne
[2:13:10] did you have a question
[2:13:11] um through the mayor can I ask um our
[2:13:14] fire chief the two water tenders that we
[2:13:17] have
[2:13:18] does that bring like does that take us
[2:13:21] from 24 to 60 or 80 or from 24 to 25
[2:13:26] like
[2:13:28] can you can you
[2:13:30] we don't have two tenders we have one
[2:13:34] ten oh okay so we have two Frontline
[2:13:36] fire Pumpers right
[2:13:38] um and then we have one tender backup uh
[2:13:42] out of service vehicle
[2:13:45] um I don't know but that calculation of
[2:13:48] equates to would give you that right
[2:13:50] so like obviously when we're shoveling
[2:13:52] the water we can produce more uh gallons
[2:13:56] per minute is what we're doing right so
[2:13:58] when we're doing calculations on
[2:13:59] structures themselves it's a quick
[2:14:02] calculations on what's involved so it
[2:14:05] depends on
[2:14:06] entire building
[2:14:08] portion of the building
[2:14:10] fireworks so let's just see if we can
[2:14:13] overcome right there I don't have those
[2:14:16] numbers like that would augment that but
[2:14:18] you know those are definitely things
[2:14:20] that we do is we're not getting enough
[2:14:21] iron floating so we start implementing
[2:14:24] your apparatus you know there's
[2:14:26] struggling technical community
[2:14:30] and go on find alternative buyers
[2:14:32] depression it's like uh different
[2:14:35] technologies that are coming in now the
[2:14:37] compressed terrible systems that we're
[2:14:39] exploring right so
[2:14:41] okay experiment too
[2:14:45] I'm just something to add that and
[2:14:47] marinate I don't want to sound like I'm advocating the applicants just want
[2:14:50] to make sure they can have all of the
[2:14:53] information
[2:14:55] um
[2:14:57] home sprinting down is not actually that
[2:14:59] common
[2:15:00] um they do have the covenants on their
[2:15:02] property
[2:15:03] um saying that they will need to to
[2:15:04] build the appropriate Roofing siding
[2:15:06] materials
[2:15:08] um
[2:15:09] the and the staff recommendation is
[2:15:12] remaining I'm just going to need to not
[2:15:14] approve this particular section
[2:15:16] um and a lot of that is also coming from
[2:15:19] the reports you just got from your city
[2:15:22] about infrastructure
[2:15:24] um and infrastructure upgrading
[2:15:26] is awesome to us that is born by
[2:15:28] developers
[2:15:30] um and that's often a question that I've
[2:15:32] been asked whenever we have a larger
[2:15:33] development
[2:15:35] um is will they be paying for the
[2:15:36] infrastructure period of status as the
[2:15:38] permittance under the terminal
[2:15:40] legislation
[2:15:41] um so this is one of those ways that we
[2:15:42] do replace the Aging infrastructure
[2:15:46] um is through the subdivision and
[2:15:49] developments of that by appointment
[2:15:59] so then can I ask would it be
[2:16:02] is it I I don't want to say normal
[2:16:07] because I don't
[2:16:08] think it will be but
[2:16:11] um for new developments down on vla to take a certain percentage towards the
[2:16:18] future uh water
[2:16:21] infrastructure upgrades that we need to
[2:16:23] do so I'm just saying like say we we end
[2:16:27] up throwing it I don't throw a number
[2:16:29] out there but say a five percent on each
[2:16:33] property is worth any new developments
[2:16:36] like that and put into a bucket that
[2:16:38] helps the district so that when we go
[2:16:43] with that is that an option
[2:16:46] um that's kind of like what the the
[2:16:48] local service area is
[2:16:50] um learning determining who has what I
[2:16:53] don't believe and thought to to check
[2:16:57] with our finance officer tomorrow
[2:16:59] um I don't believe we can just including
[2:17:01] tax on properties to start a fund
[2:17:04] um to eventually pay for something it
[2:17:06] would have to be it would have to be a
[2:17:08] upgrade
[2:17:10] um that delivered a higher service that
[2:17:12] we could calculate what that service
[2:17:13] would be that would be being delivered
[2:17:15] and only collect this money soon
[2:17:18] um to offset the cost of the increase in
[2:17:21] service that they received rather than
[2:17:23] just collecting the same parcel tax from
[2:17:26] them to put into a bucket of two
[2:17:27] potentially pay something
[2:17:31] so we through the mayor um I'm not sure
[2:17:36] exactly burglary where mayor hot pool
[2:17:38] was going with that but I was kind of
[2:17:41] thinking along the same lines but more
[2:17:43] where the developer
[2:17:46] put up a percentage
[2:17:50] of what the costs would be so that the
[2:17:53] next developer coming along would also
[2:17:55] contribute to
[2:17:58] this bucket I guess rather than like a
[2:18:01] personal tax individual dwelling but um
[2:18:05] more that the developer like let's say
[2:18:08] he's building three houses so we'll put
[2:18:10] in one third or whatever the discrepancy
[2:18:13] would be
[2:18:15] agreement
[2:18:22] um exceptional late cover agreement they
[2:18:23] pay everything that we collect on it
[2:18:25] back that's that's contingent on more
[2:18:27] development happening within the 15
[2:18:28] period of time
[2:18:31] agreement I hear I hear what um Council
[2:18:34] leave this is saying and that sounds
[2:18:37] more like a cost-sharing contract
[2:18:41] between the district and the developer
[2:18:43] but I'm not sure how once it's installed
[2:18:47] we've been collected from the future
[2:18:49] developers if that ever happened it
[2:18:50] seems like a way of circumventing the
[2:18:52] late summer agreement and I'm not going
[2:18:54] to say yes I'm going to say directly
[2:18:56] into ask a lawyer
[2:18:58] um
[2:19:01] but I think there's a lot of uh at this
[2:19:04] there's still a lot of questions that
[2:19:06] need to be resolved I think
[2:19:08] um uh um
[2:19:10] I think it's law
[2:19:13] um
[2:19:14] they were being asked either to uh very
[2:19:17] uh the requirement or not to but I think
[2:19:21] there's there's there are a lot of
[2:19:22] options that are flying spawning uh
[2:19:25] across the table and I think we need to
[2:19:27] explore those options to come forward
[2:19:30] with a more clear proposal where the
[2:19:33] applicant as well as staff sort of you
[2:19:36] know find apply the common ground and
[2:19:38] say okay well this is this is what we
[2:19:39] could and it may require a little bit
[2:19:41] more of a of a legal or or other other
[2:19:45] investigation
[2:19:48] um I am uh as a supportive of the
[2:19:51] subdivision I think it's uh I think it's
[2:19:53] great to see uh more homes in that area
[2:19:55] I appreciate it with the applicant
[2:19:57] choosing for three I I think it's indeed
[2:20:01] in keeping with the character of the vla
[2:20:04] um so on I'm really happy with that it
[2:20:06] is concerning to
[2:20:09] um uh to note that you know we have an
[2:20:12] undersized uh fire flow in that uh in
[2:20:15] that uh on that street and uh and it
[2:20:17] does need to be addressed at some point
[2:20:19] it is uh in my opinion unrealistic it's
[2:20:23] just uh put that on the developer
[2:20:25] um uh as it is also unrealistic to just
[2:20:28] put it on the dispute uh there's a bit of a bit of both uh it is
[2:20:33] not the applicants uh uh the applicant
[2:20:37] is not the trigger
[2:20:38] for us to fall under the fireflow rating
[2:20:41] so we're not going from 60 to 59 so
[2:20:44] therefore we could say well you are the
[2:20:47] Tipping Point uh that Tipping Point is
[2:20:50] way past uh and I think at some point uh
[2:20:54] a prior Council missed that in granted
[2:20:58] applications and uh and whatnot so we
[2:21:01] have to backtrack and and take
[2:21:04] responsibility for that for that as well
[2:21:05] and uh but um yeah having sufficient
[2:21:09] fire flows either direct through hybrids
[2:21:12] or through alternative means of tenders
[2:21:15] and that sort of stuff in our community
[2:21:17] is uh is very important and given that
[2:21:21] given where we're located and what has
[2:21:23] happened to a neighboring town and um
[2:21:26] so with that I I would I would want to
[2:21:29] make some sort of emotion I'm not really
[2:21:31] sure what kind of motion but at least
[2:21:33] should provide instruction to staff to
[2:21:35] uh to take this uh back with the
[2:21:38] applicant to come back with a more
[2:21:42] um
[2:21:45] tangible proposal or uh or is that is
[2:21:49] that can I do that if you would like to
[2:21:52] defer this motion until uh to a future
[2:21:54] date when staff has some time to get
[2:21:57] more information
[2:21:59] to
[2:22:01] uh you know do you just it does sound um
[2:22:04] so I'm like yeah motion to deferral
[2:22:06] would be appropriate and from
[2:22:09] what I've heard of the direction would
[2:22:12] be to work with the applicant to find
[2:22:14] some alternate solution perhaps the
[2:22:16] solution on site like a supporting the
[2:22:19] homes or some other uh Engineers
[2:22:21] requirements that could be registered as
[2:22:24] a as a common implant title
[2:22:26] um that would provide fire safety for
[2:22:28] these events without having to upgrade
[2:22:31] not so fun did you have a question
[2:22:34] sort of I it's it's question but it's not uh
[2:22:39] through the mayor um I I get caught up
[2:22:42] on wording quite a bit here and I just
[2:22:44] want to work out what classifies as a
[2:22:48] developer versus a property owner
[2:22:51] um it's stated in the forms here that uh
[2:22:54] Mr Kingsley is not a developer so if is
[2:22:59] it because it the parcel is being broken
[2:23:01] up into three separate Lots if it was
[2:23:03] just one person
[2:23:05] doing it would we still be having this
[2:23:07] conversation uh
[2:23:09] I think about America
[2:23:11] technically everyone who's developing
[2:23:13] land is a developer
[2:23:15] um it's just as as um sorry I said Mr
[2:23:18] kingway is it Mr Griffin oh sorry
[2:23:21] um
[2:23:22] uh as uh Mr Griffin said he doesn't have
[2:23:27] a subdivision before she's done it
[2:23:29] absolutely the right thing by Trying by
[2:23:31] getting a consultant
[2:23:32] um to have them to help him on this I
[2:23:34] think it's come up with a good
[2:23:35] subdivision plan I love that you're
[2:23:38] thinking about more density involved
[2:23:40] with the hillside against this property
[2:23:43] um enhance the the work of going to do
[2:23:44] it I do believe that this is appropriate
[2:23:47] um
[2:23:48] that was just saying not a professional
[2:23:51] development when I hear developer I
[2:23:54] think as
[2:23:54] building them all kind of idea
[2:23:58] um but anyone Who develops land is a
[2:24:00] development
[2:24:03] I still want to know if there's more
[2:24:04] developers down the vla that's willing
[2:24:07] to you know hopefully
[2:24:09] with others can both one bill that's why
[2:24:12] we
[2:24:13] um through the mayor can we I'm reading
[2:24:16] this thing now and I'm like we can
[2:24:18] approve
[2:24:20] of three
[2:24:21] can we not and then have you work with
[2:24:26] the developer and maybe get some legal
[2:24:29] advice on the Blogger issue can we do
[2:24:31] that or do we have to defer the whole
[2:24:33] Bank
[2:24:34] amount of marriage is better to just
[2:24:36] defer the whole thing by by approving
[2:24:38] this it's not going to allow them to
[2:24:40] continue
[2:24:42] um
[2:24:43] so it's just the staff timing and
[2:24:46] creating everything I would appreciate
[2:24:47] it if you would just just throw the item
[2:24:49] and we'll bring it all back together so
[2:24:51] you can see if all this wonderful to
[2:24:52] speak about it on
[2:24:54] um
[2:24:54] and it is if they did want to start they
[2:24:58] could build a house on the property in
[2:25:01] one of these areas where they would want
[2:25:03] um want the house to be in the subdivide
[2:25:05] around it
[2:25:06] um that's not true that they want to
[2:25:08] just carry on
[2:25:09] um all of these variances have to do
[2:25:11] with the actual side picture
[2:25:14] okay
[2:25:16] any first questions
[2:25:26] oh I'll just note that GAR number
[2:25:30] there are the numbers uh pairs in the in
[2:25:35] this
[2:25:36] um this thing speaks about hop Farm
[2:25:39] neighborhood uh there's a few other
[2:25:42] things in there that uh that are either
[2:25:45] typos or or
[2:25:48] whatever
[2:25:49] um thank you madam nurse as I mentioned
[2:25:51] in my introduction
[2:25:55] so uh yes we copied and pasted it yeah
[2:26:00] so noted okay can I have somebody make a
[2:26:05] motion that we will defer the
[2:26:08] development variant variance permit DBP
[2:26:12] 22-009 for the proposed Panhandle
[2:26:14] subdivision at 647 Summer Street legally
[2:26:17] described as lot
[2:26:19] one planned Epp 105 259 District block
[2:26:23] 755 land District to bury the following
[2:26:28] between
[2:26:29] Provisions until
[2:26:32] what date
[2:26:34] um
[2:26:37] as soon as possible when staff can we
[2:26:40] will make every effort experience of the
[2:26:42] February 14th uh maybe even people that
[2:26:44] believed enough time to speak with the
[2:26:46] applicant in their agent this week now
[2:26:47] and then
[2:26:48] um the people are not able to come and
[2:26:50] see them to an agreement then we will
[2:26:52] put the March meeting I could do
[2:26:54] something two weeks later but we'll make
[2:26:56] every effort to bring it to the next
[2:26:57] suspense thank you foreign
[2:27:13] okay
[2:27:15] I just say thank you to all of you for
[2:27:17] your time and helping me understand more of what
[2:27:20] it takes to to do all this initially
[2:27:22] when I started I emailed Kevin Taylor
[2:27:25] and said
[2:27:27] a little help what can I do and he said
[2:27:28] please get an engineer and work from
[2:27:30] there and it's going to take quite some
[2:27:31] time and it's taking quite some time and
[2:27:34] that seems to be the nature of it and
[2:27:36] it's okay I'm learning quite a bit and I
[2:27:37] really appreciate you taking it you know
[2:27:39] almost 45 minutes to speak about one
[2:27:42] piece of land in other words I really
[2:27:43] appreciate your time and your energy and
[2:27:45] your enthusiasm and hopefully we can
[2:27:48] find a way to work together and get this
[2:27:50] done in a future that makes everybody
[2:27:52] happy so thank you again
[2:27:59] hey
[2:28:03] guys number
[2:28:07] two zero two two zero one Something Told
[2:28:10] Me bylaw amendment to allow Auto Repair
[2:28:12] business at 175 TG where we serve and
[2:28:15] reading and adoption so uh since we
[2:28:20] um
[2:28:25] public hearing thank you on this
[2:28:30] um can I have somebody make a motion
[2:28:33] I'll make the motion thank you counselor
[2:28:36] de Bruins
[2:28:37] councilor McNary
[2:28:40] any further questions
[2:28:42] all in favor
[2:28:44] motion Kerry
[2:28:48] okay 12.4 said
[2:28:52] 22-004 groaning Amendment bylaw number
[2:28:55] 2023 deficitors are two tool on fake
[2:28:58] specific peritone and RR one Zone on
[2:29:01] private water and suffix
[2:29:03] back here again
[2:29:14] uh thank you madam mayor Johnny bylaws
[2:29:16] is that
[2:29:18] 22-004 as for the property located at
[2:29:21] 1321 Highway 12 uh which is part of the
[2:29:24] same subdivision uh that created the
[2:29:26] Lots on Horseback Road
[2:29:29] uh the District of little zoning bylaw
[2:29:31] specifically requires that any
[2:29:33] properties that wish to have a carriage
[2:29:35] house be connected to both Municipal
[2:29:37] Water and Municipal sewer however best
[2:29:40] practices generally agree that such a
[2:29:42] blankets permission is excessive
[2:29:43] non-block size does play a factor
[2:29:46] generally when limiting dwelling units
[2:29:48] are not serviced by sewer and well the
[2:29:51] requirements in the standard practice
[2:29:52] manual is that you should not allow
[2:29:55] Carriage homes unlocks less than one
[2:29:57] hectare unless the municipal Waters
[2:29:59] present number one unlock is at least
[2:30:01] one hectare or approximately two and a
[2:30:04] half acres and the Builder can prove
[2:30:06] adequate separation from their septic
[2:30:08] systems backup septic area in any
[2:30:10] potable water source on both their lot
[2:30:13] or adjacent mobs then there is no reason
[2:30:16] to limit the construction of an
[2:30:18] accessory dwelling
[2:30:20] uh there are some further additions to
[2:30:23] the zoning including allowing an
[2:30:24] accessory building to be in front of the
[2:30:27] principal dwelling in front being closer
[2:30:29] to the road not closer to the view as
[2:30:32] well as Provisions for height to allow
[2:30:34] the residential accessory structure uh
[2:30:37] building your structure to be 7.87
[2:30:39] meters wide which is also reasonable on
[2:30:42] large lots of significant separation
[2:30:44] between Neighbors
[2:30:46] uh Madam mayor staff are recommending
[2:30:48] that by a lot
[2:30:50] 2023-002 received first and second
[2:30:52] reading in the public hearing was
[2:30:54] scheduled for February 14th at this time
[2:30:57] you may offer the floor to the
[2:30:59] applicants only to speak to that project
[2:31:01] if they so choose
[2:31:04] thank you are the applicants here or
[2:31:07] online
[2:31:09] no
[2:31:13] any questions
[2:31:18] being none can I have somebody move that
[2:31:21] the District of Lillard zoning bylawed
[2:31:24] 2018 number 454
[2:31:28] uh amending bylaw number
[2:31:32] 2023-022 be introduced and read the
[2:31:34] person's second time at the end that a
[2:31:37] public hearing be scheduled and further
[2:31:39] that staff get noticed to the public
[2:31:40] Hearing in accordance with the
[2:31:42] requirements of the Local Government Act
[2:31:46] councilman William seconded by councilor
[2:31:48] McHenry any further questions
[2:31:51] all in favor
[2:31:52] motion Perry thank you
[2:31:56] 13. notice of motion
[2:32:00] meaning none of reports from there
[2:32:03] that requirements really quick
[2:32:07] uh December 7th uh going back December
[2:32:10] 7th a little bit indigenous support
[2:32:12] steering committee so on Monday December
[2:32:14] 12th they presented a business plan to
[2:32:17] the provincial advisory committee for
[2:32:19] the recreation of an indigenous port in
[2:32:21] Lowell weather it was a well laid out
[2:32:23] plan but we're still waiting for the
[2:32:25] reply of that so fast forward to June
[2:32:28] January 13th we had another Zoom meeting
[2:32:31] and they are looking for a place to hold
[2:32:33] this court one day a month so I asked Mr
[2:32:35] daniker to generate a list of willowette
[2:32:38] District rentable spaces that fit the
[2:32:42] requirements which would be a large room
[2:32:44] with a separate small room to the judge
[2:32:47] Etc and we would he is going to give me
[2:32:51] that list I think fairly soon and I must
[2:32:53] admit it to a suitable list to Matilda
[2:32:56] Brown
[2:32:57] so they'll be looking for places in town
[2:32:59] on February 7th I think that's pretty
[2:33:02] exciting news
[2:33:04] um December 9th the mayor ground table
[2:33:05] for Ontario Health which just really
[2:33:07] reiterated uh the coveted influenza
[2:33:11] seasonal sickness throughout Ontario
[2:33:12] hope and encourage vaccination
[2:33:15] December 14th and 15th Pemberton
[2:33:19] um at the slrd director Vivian Birch
[2:33:22] Jones presented the brewery with uh with
[2:33:25] a brief enter deduction to the meaning
[2:33:27] of the animals on the beer cans and how
[2:33:29] that came to be it was it was quite well
[2:33:31] done quite fitting as they were doing
[2:33:33] the bird count at the same time so
[2:33:36] um and BC Hydro they just feel about
[2:33:39] their goings on which they will do here
[2:33:41] as well I'm sure as they always do uh
[2:33:44] but what caught my attention was they
[2:33:46] mentioned how they will be more engaged
[2:33:48] and working together with communities so
[2:33:50] obviously Hydro pumped we definitely
[2:33:52] need to be you know on them
[2:33:56] uh as already also gave us the letter uh
[2:34:00] support for that Reddit Grant which was
[2:34:02] included in our Grant application and
[2:34:04] that was for the main street so I
[2:34:06] thought that was supposed to December
[2:34:08] 16th with the Historical Society AGM
[2:34:11] where Vera Buffy stepped down as
[2:34:12] president and Kevin going forward for
[2:34:14] the elected president Michelle Edwards
[2:34:16] is very uh Johann says Treasurer Eric
[2:34:20] Savers the secretary Paul at Steve's
[2:34:22] Endura our director good group of
[2:34:25] volunteer ability
[2:34:26] December 17th I attended the fire
[2:34:29] department Christmas party where the
[2:34:31] awards were given out and lots of awards
[2:34:33] came about it was really great uh but
[2:34:35] two in particular 25 years awards were
[2:34:39] given the medals for the government
[2:34:40] where we get late in coming but one was
[2:34:43] to Dan sturkin and the other was to our
[2:34:46] very own priority Darren oiki 25 years
[2:34:50] and very often into present that award
[2:34:54] December 19th I attended the meet and
[2:34:57] greet with councilor pepeglio with Chief
[2:34:59] the Dutchman and Council
[2:35:02] I was December merry Christmas happy New
[2:35:04] Year
[2:35:05] um January 9th I along with Mr daniger
[2:35:08] and Mr Gilbert met with Brandon and John
[2:35:12] the coordinator of the ecpc programs for
[2:35:15] the Friendship Center
[2:35:17] um and the topics are we covered in
[2:35:19] tonight's agenda
[2:35:21] and I just wanted to say as preparations
[2:35:23] are and planning begin for lullaby Fest
[2:35:26] or little Fest I'm working obviously not
[2:35:29] Wilma Fest and apricot fast huge amount
[2:35:32] of work uh goes into those so anyone
[2:35:35] looking for something to do this spring
[2:35:36] in the way of volunteering see Jones
[2:35:38] apprenticeship Center for loafest and
[2:35:40] Carol at Casey health for apricot Fest I
[2:35:43] want to make sure to put that on there
[2:35:44] it's our website too thank you because
[2:35:47] it's coming
[2:35:48] definitely debrune
[2:35:52] um
[2:35:52] on December 14th I attended the
[2:35:55] orientation of the ndit regional
[2:35:58] advisory committee which was just a
[2:36:01] brief introduction to what ndit does and
[2:36:04] I think what not
[2:36:06] um December 19th I uh along with
[2:36:09] colleagues attended the meeting at
[2:36:12] tikrit and uh
[2:36:15] with our Council
[2:36:17] on December 31st I attended the New
[2:36:19] Year's powwow at the rec center which is
[2:36:21] and so we were here for the grand entree
[2:36:24] uh or entrance sorry and then
[2:36:28] lots of people from other town that have
[2:36:30] come from the United States from from
[2:36:32] Alberta and that's first episode there
[2:36:34] was lots of folks in town and very
[2:36:36] impressive to see a gathering like that
[2:36:39] January 10th I attended Gold Country
[2:36:42] Community Society board meeting where we
[2:36:45] drafted a new strategic plan really
[2:36:48] proficient at these things
[2:36:50] it wasn't as exciting over Zoom as when
[2:36:54] we were in council chambers but uh I've
[2:36:58] nonetheless
[2:37:00] um uh it's an interesting uh Society I'm
[2:37:03] starting to learn because there's a a lot of overlap between then
[2:37:10] uh the Caribou to coach and Coach
[2:37:13] tourism Association tow that which is a
[2:37:15] Thompson Okanagan tourism Association
[2:37:18] and all these other tourism associations
[2:37:21] that all want to Market
[2:37:25] in the area and then so it uh the gold
[2:37:29] country has one of the world's
[2:37:33] most renowned Geo tour
[2:37:39] geocache things and uh never heard of it
[2:37:42] and uh but it's uh amazing that
[2:37:44] apparently people fly across the world
[2:37:47] to come geocaching a gear which is
[2:37:50] basically you go hunt for a old ammo box
[2:37:54] and you take something out and you put
[2:37:57] something in
[2:37:58] you take the little like
[2:38:00] spoken with you and then you put
[2:38:03] something and if there's a book they sell 10 000 copies of this book
[2:38:08] about uh geocaching so that's uh that's
[2:38:11] fun so that's that's definitely
[2:38:12] something that you know there's a number
[2:38:14] of geocaches here I think five or so but
[2:38:17] uh one up in Red Rock
[2:38:19] I think Old Bridge and there's a few
[2:38:21] others anyway so learn lots about that
[2:38:25] um those are my meetings
[2:38:27] um I was also very excited uh
[2:38:30] um about uh the fact that Telus was in
[2:38:33] the rec center offering tiger uh
[2:38:36] actively connecting people with uh fiber
[2:38:39] optic uh Shaw fiber or Shaw has uh is
[2:38:43] doing the same so uh I don't think there
[2:38:46] is as anyone in town that no longer has
[2:38:49] access to high-speed internet
[2:38:52] most of the poor does and I think that's
[2:38:55] uh we've been always asking for that for
[2:38:58] years and and now it's here
[2:39:02] um and uh so blazing fast internet or or
[2:39:05] uh creepy or creepy slow internet it's
[2:39:09] no longer a prohibitor for people to
[2:39:11] move here to say listen I'm gonna I'm
[2:39:13] gonna use this work from home thing is a
[2:39:15] real thing and uh particularly when you
[2:39:17] go to the big cities in that sort of
[2:39:19] stuff so welcome
[2:39:23] thank you
[2:39:24] that's a plan
[2:39:26] oh yeah not much for me for this one
[2:39:31] um as with uh most of the council here
[2:39:34] did attend the meet and greet on
[2:39:36] December 19th with the new ticket
[2:39:38] Council
[2:39:40] um
[2:39:42] it was great meeting everybody we had
[2:39:44] some discussions there and I think it
[2:39:46] went well and looking forward to working
[2:39:49] with them on other projects or working
[2:39:52] things there but otherwise yep that was
[2:39:55] it Christmas break January's here and
[2:39:58] ready to just get things going
[2:40:00] good thank you
[2:40:03] um I went through a tnrd meeting on
[2:40:06] December 15th
[2:40:09] it wasn't all that impressed with what
[2:40:11] they were talking about they never
[2:40:13] mentioned the bullet once
[2:40:16] and um
[2:40:18] yeah they had some
[2:40:20] presentation there
[2:40:26] I made a couple of comments I have
[2:40:29] another one of these meetings on Friday
[2:40:30] and I'm gonna I'm just gonna push the
[2:40:33] button so you know I have another
[2:40:34] meeting that's been um
[2:40:36] political foreign
[2:41:01] you're
[2:41:05] welcome because you can't
[2:41:08] I look forward to hearing it
[2:41:13] that's our week
[2:41:14] you know important area
[2:41:18] he's very outspoken as well
[2:41:21] um not too much happening over the
[2:41:23] holidays December 14th I also zoomed
[2:41:26] into the ndit orientation information
[2:41:32] sessions being told that we would be a
[2:41:36] larger orientation session next week so
[2:41:40] it was a lot of
[2:41:42] um
[2:41:43] I'm not really sure I I don't understand
[2:41:45] why the alternate can't be there or
[2:41:49] because I I to me it would make more
[2:41:52] sense that
[2:41:55] whoever's going to the meeting at the
[2:41:57] alternate should also know what's going
[2:41:59] on in case they have to step in like I
[2:42:02] feel the same way with the slrd I don't
[2:42:04] understand like you know you build it
[2:42:06] for six months and then something
[2:42:08] happens and your alternate has to go and
[2:42:10] they're just
[2:42:11] thank you
[2:42:13] connect with something exactly similar
[2:42:16] to new Council yes and on December 19th
[2:42:19] I also attended the meet and greet
[2:42:21] object but with their new mayor Sid
[2:42:25] Scotchman or their new Chief I guess
[2:42:26] it's Dutchman and his Council and
[2:42:30] shout that you're breaking eggs
[2:42:37] okay
[2:42:40] reports filled with the CEO skip this
[2:42:43] meeting because okay
[2:42:49] to new business and go back to
[2:42:52] correspondence number
[2:42:55] three was close
[2:43:24] okay correspondence ALC Dash welcome to
[2:43:28] council that's our plan
[2:43:32] um I would just like to
[2:43:34] withdrawal from this letter here just
[2:43:37] being new to the role and everything I
[2:43:39] am I'm familiar with the alc and how we
[2:43:42] interact in collaboration and I'm not
[2:43:44] sure if anybody else especially new
[2:43:46] Council there would be interested in
[2:43:47] just hearing what they have to say as
[2:43:49] how we work together
[2:43:53] okay
[2:43:55] um
[2:44:02] Council would like us to reach out and
[2:44:04] take a month on their offer absolutely
[2:44:07] foreign
[2:44:18] [Laughter]
[2:44:40] okay thank you Mr Taylor
[2:44:46] okay on to media and public question
[2:44:49] period
[2:44:51] the meeting is open to questions from
[2:44:53] the media and public seeing no new year
[2:44:56] do we have any questions from the public
[2:44:58] hello hello chamber
[2:45:04] um items uh one was I forgot to mention
[2:45:07] this before
[2:45:08] um the Aloha chamber will be having our
[2:45:11] annual general meeting on January 25th
[2:45:13] from 5 to 7 PM District of Lilith is a
[2:45:17] member of the chamber and as such you
[2:45:19] are invited um if you would like to come
[2:45:22] and this is entirely optional it's just
[2:45:25] a general AGM stuff and then the other
[2:45:28] thing I wanted to mention just on the
[2:45:30] presentation today about the um the the report on developments
[2:45:37] um I want to make sure this is an
[2:45:38] important topic so I want to make sure
[2:45:39] it doesn't sort of flow away and it
[2:45:42] might write a bit of a letter for next
[2:45:44] meeting but I think now that we have the
[2:45:47] quantitative data which is really really
[2:45:49] important to have that and I think we
[2:45:51] actually shouldn't have that every year
[2:45:53] um there is an opportunity to start
[2:45:55] collecting qualitative data to really
[2:45:57] ask why why are these stop work orders
[2:46:01] necessary is it that people don't
[2:46:03] understand the permit requirements is it
[2:46:05] that people are too lazy to do the
[2:46:07] permit applications isn't that they can
[2:46:09] afford the permits some of that a
[2:46:12] qualitative status we really understand
[2:46:13] how can we reduce the 10 percent or the
[2:46:16] 10 I mean think about it 10 um stop work
[2:46:19] orders issued from uh in a year is
[2:46:21] almost one per month but I think there's
[2:46:24] a lot of qualitative data that we could
[2:46:25] collect to really think about why is
[2:46:28] this happening not just the numbers but
[2:46:31] the reasoning behind it and if we can
[2:46:34] get that in a report as well those two
[2:46:36] things together we're really gonna
[2:46:38] enable I think the district to to build
[2:46:41] on uh on that data and really work with
[2:46:44] it so that's still really common and
[2:46:46] I'll give questions that's the question
[2:46:48] I have question you have yes yes
[2:46:55] it's a qualitative data on that okay
[2:46:59] thank you
[2:47:02] any other questions from
[2:47:06] the audience
[2:47:07] I don't see none
[2:47:10] we moved to adjourn the meeting the
[2:47:13] regular council meeting be adjourned at
[2:47:16] 7 40 7.
[2:47:20] can I have a motion
[2:47:22] let me bring something
[2:47:28] Mary would you like to second that
[2:47:32] um
[2:47:35] thank you