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Call the meeting to order with the
pledge of allegiance. Begin with

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» I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
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Uh the third item on the agenda, review
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six agenda.
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» I move we approve the agenda for April
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um proposed.
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» All in favor?
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Now, we have to approve the March 23rd,
2026 regular planning commission meeting

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minutes.
Um, you all should have gotten a copy of

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that. Uh, if you have any errors that
need to be changed, any omissions, any

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misspellings,
anything that we need to deal with.

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Now, I'll need a motion.

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I move we accept the uh
planning commission's regular

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commission meetings for March 23rd, 2026
as written.

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» Thank you. All in favor? I opposed.
None. Motion carried.

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» At this point in the meeting, we open it
up to the citizens comments. Um, if

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you're here for the public hearing for
the uh Edwards, that will come when we

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deal with that. That will be later. But
at this point, it's anything else you

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want to talk to us about. If you have
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we'll open up the floor to anybody at
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Okay.
All right. Then I'm going to close the

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citizens comments and participation.
We will move into the zoning

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administrators report. Mariano,

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you all should have a copy of the
reports for March. Uh clearly their mark

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for us. We have quite a few
applications.

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only one uh violation written and looked
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uh and then just uh notes on the
meetings that we're having now and

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projects that are coming up in the next
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» Pardon me. I'm sorry I didn't hear that.
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» Okay.
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Um, any questions for Mariano?

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Nope. Okay, we'll move on to the next.
Um, we are going into old business. We

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have been working on a data center
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Um our our planner has put together a
comprehensive document

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that has a lot of um

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where we should look at where we're
going to have make some definitions for

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the ordinance. We're going to have to
change some um

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change some wording for like commercial
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computer center selling um or or fixing.
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as regarding the number the restrictions
that if because it is going to be a

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special use we can have so many
restrictions that we can make it more

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palatable to the township. Um you all
should have gotten the packet.

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Any question? I mean Dan kind of want to
go over a little bit just kind of

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Yes. Thank you.
Sure. To oversimplify

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um the issue, data centers are part of
the use of permitted

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zoning or in research and office zoning
district and have been for a while.

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» Thank you.
um some of the issues that could come

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with the hypers scale data centers of um
so what we're looking at with the zone

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ordinance amendment set of zoning
ordinance amendments is to propose some

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definitions and clarify some things
regarding data centers distinguish

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especially those data centers um
since our last meeting we've had now

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three three other discussions about this
issue so um I can kind of drill down

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some specifics we left off with in
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regarding this are on page 8 following
along in the packet. Um in March we

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gathered some comments when we address
these will hopefully provide a

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comprehensive set of ordinance
amendments. Um the first topic we uh

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discussed in March was to distinguish
small scale from large scale data

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centers based on building core area. We
initially had kind of distinction based

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on that acreage of the parcel. Um but
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going to be easier to enforce from
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from just terms in terms of
distinguishing these these building

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scale. And so we uh we did agree the
plan commission gave direction that uh

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in no case should any data center be
permitted use by right. Um, every one of

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them should have a public hearing
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whether they're large scale or small
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from small at a size of 50,000 square
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community name off the top of my head,
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least in Michigan do that distinction
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draw a visual for you to understand what
that looks like in your packet. um on

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pages 8 and n there are some visual
examples of some sites that you consider

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around that 50,000 foot threshold. Um,
five images in here. There is a uh two

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I'm just going to rattle them off here,
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we tried to find some in the area
county. Um, the 242 community church in

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S Township, uh, about 51,000 ft. Um,
there's a warehouse, flexible tent space

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at 7852nd Street in Dexter, up to the
same size. Uh the bushes in um Dexter is

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roughly the same size. It's about 49,800
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there's a hilltop greenhouse and farms.
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portion, kind of the transparent windows
portion of that complex. Those green

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houses are about 80 feet in total. So
give you an idea of what that looks

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like. The last example we had was from
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manufacturing site Chelsea. So from the
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small mediumsiz warehouse or maybe
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be the distinction where we start
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all have a public hearing. They all have
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Um, but it's at that point where the
ones that are smaller will have a a less

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sprinkled set of regulations and the
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I'll get into from here to talk about
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Um, before I get into that, just to go
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uh put together a map that has the
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wetlands, and county owner or recreation
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uh so that's a map that shows you kind
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if if you're the developer, a
prospective developer of a large scale

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data center, um you know, I'm sure that
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have those kinds of barriers um to site
usability. And so these would in all

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likely be places that that you wouldn't
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centers. We don't know for sure, but
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those environmental sense are um in
it's I guess all these cases whether

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it's flood planes or wetlands and you
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against building those areas or
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the preserve parcels those are publicly
owned parcels um there are going to be

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some barriers that that prevent you from
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those sites at least at a large scale.
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since mentioned that putting that map
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You move down um later in your packet uh
starting on page 14, we get into some of

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the specific updates that the planning
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into set of amendments. The first one
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debating this debating it but having an
open-ended discussion about the closed

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loop cooling system requirement. Um the
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a closed loop cooling system is and
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we you know I think as these ordinances
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working on definitions from different
legal resources. We've certainly done

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that. and looked at some examples. And
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examples that we've seen. Um there's a
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system in here which is you need to have
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term you use later in the zoning. This
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would look like. It's a sealed system
where uh coolant circulates continuously

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absorbing heat from the source and then
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exchanger for removal without uh coolant
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Um which that that would apply to water
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inside of inside of closing environment.
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have um on on pages 14 and 15 of your
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looked at previously with adding the
data centers to the light industrial

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district as special name uses, removing
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and then applying some of the
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that was associated with it into the
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more like retail commercial stores
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the supplementary regulations which
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many special land uses have a set of
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the the cemetery tonight. It's much
simpler set of departments but uh

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special use requirements nonetheless. Um
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initial requirements under the
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one that I'll highlight is on page 15.
we talk about the land area um for the

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small scale 50,000 foot and under these
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the minimum zoning district requirement
of 1 acre and and surely they'll likely

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be larger if it's 50,000t building. Um
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that's where we can have a conversation
about um scaling up the size of the

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building um or the size of the site
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might have a a ratio of acreage based on
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each fraction of um let's say 10,000
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add an acre of land requirement,
something along that those lines and we

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can look at developing that further. Or
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um you know requirements for managing
storm water on the site there's going to

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have to be a certain amount of open
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size and sometimes the acreage of the
site doesn't matter that much and in

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fact you might save some land for other
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you don't have a minimum acreage in
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discussion. One item I ask you to look
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want a minimum acreage requirement for
the large sites. Um, moving on to

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setbacks. On page 15, we have some uh
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for the small sites, you might have the
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ordinance um for the light industrial
zoning district. And then for the larger

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sites, uh looking at this 150 foot
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and 100 foot set back to the parking
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Um, fencing and screening is another
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on. There may be no specific fencing and
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adhere to the other fencing requirements
in the zoning ordinance. Uh, or you may

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have decorative fencing requirements.
Maybe it's a 6ft tall

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metal um, decorative metal maybe a black
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apply to a property like this or perhaps
a brick screening wall. Um, we really

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haven't gone into the fencing and and uh
wall requirements yet, but those are

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things that would be reasonable to ask
for at least along the front of the

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property. Um, buffering and green belts,
we recommend um again for the smaller

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sites adhering to the basic
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um, you might look at a 100 foot wide
green belt maintained around the

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perimeter of the property in which
there's a burm um at a 3:1

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uh rise. Uh, so basically a you have a a
burn that rises at a rate of three feet

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for every three feet wide for every one
foot tall. So, um to get up to that six

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foot height minimum that we recommend
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of the outside and then a 10ft kind of
shelf minimum wage on the top where you

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plant trees. Um just to give some
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protection to neighboring properties
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subsection G on page 16. We talked about
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based on the receiving building on a
site nearby to being based on the

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receiving property line. And so the
requirement here would be to keep it at

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measurement of no higher than 55 dB as
measured at the nearest residentially or

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agriculturally zoned property line. Um
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that you could use a sound study to um
evaluate what the anticipated impacts

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are before you consider an approval
project. Uh cooling methods again um to

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preserve the uh this is a new
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on page 16 would be to preserve the
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supply and to maintain the integrity of
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resources. any data processing or
computer center that proposes to use

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water cooling must do so primarily
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water system. Um and then we could add
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we could add something that says if the
a more efficient water usage um method

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is presented by the applicant, the
planning commission and the board have a

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discretion to approve an alternate. Um
if you'd like us to include something

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like that, we can include something like
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Um, and then another couple of items
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the the list of of u
components of this supplementary

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regulations. um the set of supplementary
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there would be this kind of language
that we borrowed or um over overlapped

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with a lot of from another example, but
um looking at decommissioning and having

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some requirements for how the applicant
shall include a decommissioning plan in

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their project that shows the anticipated
life of the data processing center, the

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manner in which it's decommissioned, the
actions that will be taken to resto

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restore the site, removal of the
equipment, the estimated cost of

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decommissioning, the method for ensuring
the owner and operator will have

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sufficient funds available to
decommission later. Um, and then there's

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also a requirement in here that
automatic decommissioning could kick in

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if um there is no operation at the data
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than one year. Um, then there would have
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So, all new aspects to think about there
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previously. Um, I guess the last thing
I'll say is that, you know, kind of

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zooming back out, you and the planning
commission are really only obligated to

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allow uses or approve uses through site
review that are permitted in the

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underlying zoning district. Um and the
township is really only obligated to

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engage in bringing a different zoning
district to a parcel to make the um make

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a use available on that parcel through
resoning if the resoning gels with the

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future land use map of the master plan.
And so that brings us back to um kind of

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the fundamental issue here. There's very
limited acreage in Lima Township on

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which it's zoned appropriately to allow
all these things to kick in that we're

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describing here, especially for at least
for large data center sites. Um and so

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another exercise that um that we're
starting with this process is to um not

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make the conditions for a hyperscale
data center with this set of zoning

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ordinance amendments in terms of setting
aside a future land use map amendment or

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reszoning a bunch of property. We're not
recommending any of that occurs right

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now, but what we are recommending is
that there's at least a mechanism in the

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zoning ordinance to um bring in those
discussions and allow study of areas um

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based on uh somebody demonstrating that
there's a regional need and that

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environmental impacts will be satisfied
and all those kind of high level

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planning goals um through a master plan
amendment. um and that that sets the

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township up to not um fall into an issue
of exclusionary zoning. So, there's um

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some some adjustments to the amendments
section of the zoning ordinance that

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will allow um kind of a very specific
process for kind of outside initiated

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master plan or future land use map
amendment. um that allows the planning

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commission to bring in studies and allow
people to make their case for kind of

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restarting the master planning process
to um make room for large sites whether

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they're data centers or other uses. Um
but just so that you have a means to

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recommend that to people so that there's
not kind of a a no with no way to appeal

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more or less. So that's the the final
aspect of this set of amendments is to

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have some specific language around
amending the future land use map of the

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master plan.
So with that we um we have some

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questions that could probably be
answered with some additional discussion

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from the planning commission but
otherwise we're happy to continue

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preparing this for an eventual uh public
hearing.

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um you know coinciding with uh there's a
moratorum that's going to be expiring

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here in a couple of months and we could
probably get this close to finalization

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um around that time frame. So I'm happy
to we're happy to answer any questions

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that you might have at this point and
facilitate any discussion you want to

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have.
>> Okay,

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» questioning

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fencing. What are pros and cons about um
well screening versus fencing? I mean,

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do is it better to have a visual barrier
or do you want to be able to see what's

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going on in there?
>> Yeah, I I'm sure the proprietors in

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these places want to have a lot of
security, but that can be done through

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means other than just walling them off.
And I think that generally

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it's a best practice to shed some
daylight on places to the best extent

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you can with uh maybe transparent
fencing and landscaping um often serves

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the community better than having walls
um even for large impactful sites. side.

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Now, if there's a need for a wall as a
um as a sound barrier, if the sound

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study comes back and says that there
would be a need to provide sound

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mitigation, that's certainly something
we could allow for make make room for in

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the zoning ordinance. Um but primarily,
uh it seems that the best approach for

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sites like this is typically put more of
a decorative fencing around the

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perimeter and landscaping.

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» Okay. Yeah. And it does seem like
they're going to want fencing anyway for

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security,
>> right?

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» Um
so that's fine.

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Um just a a and
well on page 16

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letter J. Can we take out the word
primarily?

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Seems like a loophole.

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» [clears throat]
>> Yeah, I think that's a good

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recommendation to be clear. Um,
along with that, would there be an

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interest in having a a way for a
alternate

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water usage plan to be presented? I
don't know what that looks like.

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» I think so. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that could be graywater uh

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recycling.
Maybe some of it would be not

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technically um closed loop, but there
may be some other ways that um

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manufacturers might recycle water that
perhaps this isn't contemplating. So I

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think it's a good idea to strike
primarily and then have something that

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says an alternative
water usage plan would be proposed if

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that makes sense.
>> And then I just had a question about the

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decommissioning. Um how does that work
with the financing like the bond and

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letter of credit? Like if they have a
letter of credit and we grant them the

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zoning, they build their thing and
everything. Does the letter of credit

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can that be like withdrawn later and us
not know about it or is it something

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that's created and continues?
I'm not sure I'm asking that. I think

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you know what I mean.
>> Yeah. Well, um,

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the letter of credit would typically
have the municipality

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assigned on it so that there's a it's
connected to L Township. Um,

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» so we're kind of the beneficiary sort of
thing.

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» Yeah, I'm trying to think of examples.
um whether it's a performance bond or a

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letter of credit u it's something that
there would have to be typically the

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financial institution would file that
with the municipality um so that I want

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to come back with a better answer on
that um so that we know that that's a

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something that can't be received
>> yeah I'd just like to understand how

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that works like if they the company
folds and goes away

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» does the money go to the township and
then the township is responsible for um

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administering that and yeah
>> yeah that is the ultimate goal. Um yes

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we'll come back with some more research
on that to make sure there's um sound

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returns on that. I'm not sure if there's
anywhere else in the zoning ordinance we

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really get into um financial shies like
that. We'll try to be consistent and

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make sure that what we write is legally
defensible for sure.

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» Okay.
That's all I had.

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» All you had. Anybody else?
>> Um the only thing I said I agree with

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you on um
Jay that if there's a more efficient

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water system that becomes a you know
that is brand new. Yeah, brand new. Um

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that is better then we could maybe add
something in there that if if that comes

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about then you know. And then the other
thing is on uh monitoring wells for if

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it's a well septic piece of property. Do
we one want to have a definition for

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what a monitoring well is
and and just I mean just as long as it's

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noted in there that if it is well and
septic that there may be what do we say

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go provide details for monitoring wells.
>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think having a

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definition is a good idea. Um,
>> yeah,

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» we added some language in here that I
didn't go over today. Um, subsection K,

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uh, there is a statement that, uh,
trying to

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I'll read the last sentence because it's
short. If the private private well water

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supply method is proposed, provide
details for monitoring wells. So it's a

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very simple statement but there's a
that's in the section about water usage.

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Um we also mentioned having water
utilization report that's submitted with

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the application that shows intake volume
water sources etc. So

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» um yes that that um
details for monitoring walls they do a

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lot of latitude planning commission has
to ask for you want to ask right but I

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think we should have a definition.
All right.

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Um, the only other thing, let me see if
there's anything else

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notes here.

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Okay. So, are we good with not saying
the large scale

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um acreage amount for that? They are
kind of um they be applicable as each

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tied to the size of the building. We
good with that? Okay. All right. Then um

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and I think the minimum in light
industrial is 1 acre. Is that correct?

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Yeah,
>> it is.

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» Y
let me see.

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I think that's it.
And again, they're they're both going to

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be special uses. So, we do have some
leeway.

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» We didn't talk about for the large ones.
I think I don't think we talked about um

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specifying a minimum
>> minimum acreage

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» acreage.
>> Right. Right.

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» Yeah.
>> Right. So, we're just going to leave it.

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» I don't know. But it was
>> Are we

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» Yeah.
>> What do we say?

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» Well,
>> just let the block coverage ratio and

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all that kind of stuff,
>> right? black coverage ratio and and

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maybe um
>> limited

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» equivalent to the size of the building
maybe or if the building gets too huge,

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would you want more acreage?
>> Well, you made the good point. I mean,

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we could require more a larger ratio of
land to building size, but then it's

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also taking more land off out of other
uses. Mhm.

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» So we would be left with just letting it
be determined by setbacks and lot

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coverage ratios and everything.
>> Okay.

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» So I mean that's the question. Is
everybody comfortable with that?

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» Right.
>> Right.

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» Right.
>> I would offer two I

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didn't see this. We talked about open
space requirements. Um, you know, if you

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if you wanted to, you could keep it so
that there's no minimum acreage

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requirement, but you could also have a
requirement that states you need to

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maintain 25% of the site as open space
or or something along those lines. We

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looked at some examples of what other
communities have done for that. Of

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course, again, that makes us might be
polluting the site, but it also ensures

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that that's um in a way that preserves
natural resources, right? Helpful given

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all the environmental impacts.
>> Yeah. If you could get some examples of

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that.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that might be good because

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it looks like the setback for the large
one would be

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say 15
>> 150 ft from all lot lines.

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» So,
Well, what if they wanted to put some

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kind of power generation system? I mean,
there's different requirements for

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setbacks on those.
>> That's a good point. Um because we said

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specifically building and parking
setbacks,

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» power accessory substation or something
along those lines. It would be um just

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the default unless we make something
specific for those. So if we wanted to,

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we could recommend that there's a 150
foot set back from buildings or

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accessory substations or similar power
generation facilities, those kinds of

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things.
>> Yeah, that that makes sense.

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Okay, anybody else? Any other comments?
If not,

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I think we kind of giving you a little
bit more direction and maybe we can I

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know we can't have a uh
cannot have a public hearing for our

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next meeting because of Memorial Day and
we're a week early. So, it would be June

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when we would have the public hearing
for this if and that gives you a couple

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months to get get it kind of dialed in.
>> Mhm. So

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» yeah, if we could try to get a revision
done for the May meeting, um possibly at

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least an interim update and then have
the hearing in June if that schedule

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still works.
>> Yep. Yep. Okay. Does that sound good to

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everybody?
>> Yep.

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» All right. Thank you, Dan.
All right. Now, we're going to the new

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business, Edward Cemetery. Um,
we'll start with and I don't know. Is

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there an extra survey for people to look
at if they're here to talk about?

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» You need to um Oh,
>> really?

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» Yeah. Yeah. I put an extra copy survey
>> that lets people know what they're

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talking about.
>> Yeah. I just have one extra. I thought

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we were going to get big ones brought.
Did you bring some big ones, Mariano?

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» No.
>> Oh, you can use mine, too.

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» Yeah, you can use mine. Just get As long
as I get it back, I'm good.

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» No, let him use mine. I I'll have him
use mine and then my other spare.

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» Okay. Okay.

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» That way you can keep an eye. You know,
you know what we're talking about.

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» Okay.

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I guess what we'll do is um first what
I'd like to do

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» is before the public hearing I'd like is
the applicant here?

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» Okay. What I'd like you to do is say
what you're planning on doing

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and then we'll open it up to the public
for their comments and concerns

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questions. And if you have a question or
concern, you got to address us, not

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them. So, okay. All right. So you can
just kind of tell us what you're

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planning on doing.
>> Well, just a simple 16 sight family

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cemetery with a simple fence around it.
We've got a nice clear spot away from

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anyone else's view on our property. Um
we picked out so far. It's visible in

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that survey you guys have in your
packets.

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Um I don't know how many personal
details you want to know. That's about

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all as far as factual business details.
Um

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» okay.
All right. Then I and now we we'll open

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up for the public hearing.
>> Do you want Dan do his review?

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» Well, yeah, Dan, I guess you could do
your review.

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» Or you think we should do the public
hearing first?

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» I guess if if my review it might help u
clear up some details maybe.

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» All right, why don't we do that? Do your
review

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» and then you guys get
>> Sorry. Sorry everybody waiting. Um,

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thank you everybody for letting us
comment on this request. Um, the

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applicant's materials in your packet
start on page 22. I think that some of

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those materials I did not um cover my
report, but I do want to mention the

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applicant uh submitted
responses to the special land use

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criteria from section 334 of the zone or
which I refer to as well and they

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provided their own answers to the um the
criteria and uh I just encourage you to

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look at those um because they they give
a lot of personal detail in the

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background that um this report does not
necessarily get into. Um so I just want

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to mention that they've submitted
materials. Um of course our report

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00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:20,079
starts around page
34 and I'll get into my comments here.

421
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:26,159
Um as mentioned I think this is a
request for a a private cemetery. uh

422
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:31,040
private cemetery is a permitted special
need use in the RR rural residential

423
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:36,879
zoning district which is this parcel
zoning uh under the line of zoning

424
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:42,480
ordinance. Um the parcel is zone rural
residential. It's also master plan for a

425
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:46,720
one one to 5 acre parcels which uh
aligns with that zoning. There are no

426
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:51,440
flood zones or wetlands that appear on
public uh publicly available mapping on

427
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:58,320
the site. Um the submitts that were
provided include uh six sheets uh sealed

428
00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:03,359
by a surveyor. There's a vicinity sketch
uh parcel boundary cemetery survey

429
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:07,920
cemetery details and two sheets of legal
descriptions.

430
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Um this is a special land use and
because uh special land uses require

431
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:16,480
site plan review under the zoning
ordinance um all requirements under

432
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:21,040
article 7 of the zoning ordinance were
reviewed with this report and so we're

433
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,839
obligated to kind of call all them out.
I know this is a long report um pretty

434
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:30,320
simple site we work through findings on
all these requirements. Um some of these

435
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:34,720
standards are not applicable to a site
of this nature. It's not a um it's not a

436
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:39,440
site that has any paving or or very
detailed design um features and so some

437
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,480
of the requirements don't apply but some
do. I'll just summarize the ones that um

438
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:51,040
would apply from article 7 that don't
appear to be provided so far. Um the

439
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:55,440
first one is relating to uh topographic
information. If the surveyor um can

440
00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:00,720
provide some elevation data, some
grading information proposed or existing

441
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,880
contours, I assume the topography is not
going to change very much. Um that would

442
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,520
be something we look for on the plans.
Um simple request is to have the name,

443
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:16,560
address, and phone number of the
property owner um

444
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:19,440
and the uh applicant on the actual site
plan drawings. I know the surveyor's

445
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:26,160
information was on those drawings, but
having owners on there as well would be

446
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:31,280
required under article 7. We also would
look for um the proposed there's a

447
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,280
section that pertains to proposed
streets and driveways. Um within that

448
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:40,079
section, what appears to be missing that
should be provided is the propos

449
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:44,400
proposed surface type and width of the
access driveway. Uh there's an easement

450
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:49,680
that's provided. I didn't see the the
surface materials um for the the width

451
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:56,160
of the driveway. So, those details
should be added. Um moving down to some

452
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:00,240
other standard information, just adding
notes pertaining to the existing zoning

453
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:06,000
of the site and the surrounding sites.
Uh we're looking for required yard

454
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,960
setbacks and that can just be a list um
coming from article 4 of the zoning

455
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:13,520
ordinance. There can be a list of what
the setback requirements are. Uh, and

456
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:18,800
then landscaping strips is something
that the zoning ordinance calls out in

457
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,640
article 7 here. There's a more specific
section that pertains to landscaping

458
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:27,520
that I'll go in greater detail on a
little bit later so we can talk about

459
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:30,800
that then. Um,
it appears there are no buildings and I

460
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:34,240
mentioned that a couple times in the
report, but I just wanted to verify

461
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:41,760
there would be no elevated structures.
Is that correct? Headstones. Okay. Um

462
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:46,400
and um
we also mentioned in this section the

463
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:50,960
last thing is just uh means of water
providing water if there's any well

464
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:55,520
water that available for irrigation or
for um you know watering uh watering

465
00:37:54,079 --> 00:38:00,320
bases or anything of that nature. So
just giving some details on supposed

466
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:04,079
watering methods. Um and moving into the
supplementary regulations for cemeteries

467
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,880
under [clears throat] section 512 of the
zoning ordinance. Um I'll again just go

468
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:13,760
over what was not provided or what's not
available from the plans. Um

469
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:18,720
you know setbacks are not a concern.
They they uh meet all I will say the

470
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:24,240
planning how this is written the
planning commission um she'll be re

471
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:28,800
reviewing the proposed setbacks to make
sure that they're appropriate u based on

472
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:34,320
the existing planned neighboring land
uses. Um the site is over 100 feet from

473
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:39,680
any lot line and it's very um apparently
low impact use and setbacks appear to be

474
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:44,000
adequate from a planning perspective. Um
that's ultimately up to the planning

475
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:47,520
commission. Um there should be no
building located closer than 100 ft of

476
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:52,960
the property line and there are no
buildings. Um getting to what's what's

477
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:57,839
not met here. There needs to be adequate
what calls off streetet waiting space

478
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:02,800
provided for funeral processions. the no
vehicle stands or waits in a dedicated

479
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:08,079
driveway. Um there is significant uh
access driveway length that is provided

480
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,560
but we would ask that the applicant just
show where they anticipate having the

481
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:19,920
off streetet waiting space designated on
the site and um along with that uh you

482
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,720
know an estimate of the ant anticipated
highest number of vehicles on the site.

483
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,240
Um, you know, it's kind of a thing you
don't want to have to think about too

484
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:34,640
much or estimate, but we do want to have
some perspective of um how many vehicles

485
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:40,079
will be on the site at once. Um,
we also mentioned um that there's a

486
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:46,000
public road access. This is a parcel
that's got two narrow access points to

487
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:50,960
the public roads on Sci Church Road
along the north edge of the site and

488
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:54,480
then um more specifically on Fletcher
Road where the driver will be entering

489
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:59,040
the roadway. There is a proposed
easement uh and we have other comments

490
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:02,880
regarding the easement. Um we would ask
ultimately that whatever easement is

491
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:06,400
provided is recorded um with the
Washington County Register of Deeds and

492
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:11,040
then provided to the township within 45
days of recording.

493
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,480
um give or take that can be up to what
the sometimes the timing of those things

494
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:21,520
takes longer or shorter. So that can be
up to the township to determine. Um we

495
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:25,040
also recommend the uh documentation of
perpetual care and maintenance is

496
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,760
provided with the easement or the
easement agreement. Um so there's

497
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,000
demonstration of perpetual care on that
property. Um getting into the location

498
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:39,280
and site arrangement. Again, this is a
partial the actual parcel on which the

499
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:43,040
cemetery plot is proposed is uh
officially landlocked. There's zero

500
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:49,359
frontage and so they would have to use
the parcel to it which I call parcel one

501
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:52,240
in the site step plan report at 2071
South Fletcher Road. There's a home on

502
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,400
that parcel and then the parcel the
cemetery will be on is landlocked. Um it

503
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:00,000
appears that there are solid lines on
the survey drawings showing that the

504
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:07,520
cemetery is further divided from that
parcel. Um I would recommend against any

505
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:13,040
site that has a true real property um
that's divided out there because that

506
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:17,040
will run into frontage limits and issues
with the land division act. So in in its

507
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:22,640
place that should be a recorded easement
rather than a new divided parcel. Um and

508
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:29,200
that would alleviate a lot of concerns.
Um although not all. I will I'll mention

509
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:35,359
some more further down here. Um
I uh

510
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:41,599
I mentioned in the report um that this
is a parcel that because it's landmocked

511
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:46,480
it's um it's has to use the property in
front of it and it's essentially a zero

512
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:51,839
frontage parcel which under section 12.2
to the zoning ordinance. Any lot that's

513
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:57,520
been created that has zero frontage or
non-conforming frontage is required to

514
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:01,520
be seen as a non-conforming lot on which
you can only build a single family home

515
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,119
or an accessory
um building that's customarily

516
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,160
incidental to the home. So, picture a
shed or an accessory building with a

517
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:14,800
home. Um the zoning ordinance does not
capture private cemeteries under that

518
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:21,920
terminology. And so we run into the
issue with this parcel um that you you

519
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:26,319
can't build a new use like a private
private cemetery on a parcel of that

520
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:32,400
nature um unless you get approval from
the board of zoning appeals. And so this

521
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:36,480
review ultimately um has to get back to
the zoning board of appeals. It's

522
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:41,760
interchangeable DZA, ZBA, whatever you
want to call whatever it's officially

523
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:47,520
called. I think it's the ZBA. um they'll
have to go to the ZVA for approval. Um

524
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:51,119
per section 12.2 paragraph 3 um
basically says to build anything like we

525
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,119
had a couple months ago with a different
project other than a single family home,

526
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,119
you have to get approval from the ZBA.
So

527
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:03,200
» um the complicating news with that is
that there has to be an application to

528
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:09,760
the ZBA. Basically has to go through the
the dimensional variance type of review.

529
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:12,720
Um, I will say that just glancing at
some of the criteria that's been

530
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:16,400
addressed with the special land use
application, um, probably some of that

531
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,920
can translate to a zoning board of
appeals application as well, but

532
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,040
ultimately that's a separate application
that has to go to the CDA. Um, and

533
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,920
that's the most significant issue. It's
um, really comes down to the

534
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,319
configuration of the land, making sure
that there's no new splits and based on

535
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:36,960
the fact that this is a landlock parcel
that it goes through the appropriate

536
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:41,599
review process. Um, moving to the rest
of my comments, there are no concerns

537
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,000
with uh any other dimensional
requirements of the property. Um,

538
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:49,520
there's no concerns about height um of
any buildings. Of course, there's no

539
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:54,000
density because there's no dwelling
units here. um the width of the parcel

540
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:59,040
is sufficient for the use that's
required in terms of the the width of

541
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,720
the the parcel once you get into the
parcel even though the official um

542
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:08,240
technical width of the parcel is
determined by its frontage which there

543
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:12,720
is zero width as we discussed um on page
42 of the packet uh there's some

544
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,920
discussion of landscaping
um I will say that under anything that

545
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,560
requires site plan review all of the
landscaping standards or those zoning

546
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:27,520
ordinance apply um but only the specific
requirements. Um I I go through these

547
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:31,520
one by one. Um some of the zoning
ordinance landscaping requirements are

548
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:36,319
based on parcels that have parking lots
or required parking areas. There is no

549
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:40,319
minimum required parking lot for a
cemetery. And so essentially that's a

550
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:45,040
non-applicable requirement. There's no
required landscaping based on parking.

551
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,000
Um there's no frontage and so there's no
required landscaping based on

552
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:53,359
[clears throat] the frontage or green
belt of the site. Uh there's no

553
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:56,800
buildings and that alleviates um two
aspects of landscaping that would

554
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:01,119
typically apply where you have to do
perimeter landscaping around a building

555
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:05,280
and also there's an requirement of
screening between buildings and

556
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:10,960
residential uses and in this case
there's no building on this site. Um so

557
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,119
officially you go through the list and
there are no specific landscaping

558
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,880
requirements. However, the planning
commission may recommend specific

559
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,079
landscaping as a condition of their
special land use approval to make sure

560
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:26,000
this use coheres with the the
neighboring properties and blends in

561
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:30,400
well. Um and that's the discretion of
the planning commission. One thing I

562
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:34,720
will mention related to that going back
to the arrangement of the site um this

563
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:40,960
is a the way it's drawn up you'll see
that the access ement on their middles.

564
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:47,520
It kind of goes across that um the flag
portion of their property at 2071 South

565
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:51,920
Fletcher. Um but then it crosses over
part of that property kind of on an

566
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:56,560
angle. And one recommendation I would
have um fully understanding there's not

567
00:45:54,079 --> 00:46:00,160
an intent for the the home site that
would be changing hands or changing

568
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:04,079
families, but there is always the chance
that that will occur. So my

569
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:09,599
recommendation would be to make the
easement flush with the property line so

570
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:13,680
that um if ever there is a split between
the the use of the private sanitary one

571
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:17,200
family and whoever's living in the house
that there's a kind of a a clean

572
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,200
separation there and that there's no
need to kind of cross over the easement

573
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,520
or share that part of the property more
than is necessary. Um that's a little

574
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,800
bit nit nitpicky, but it just would
clean up a potential access concern in

575
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:34,240
the future if there is ever a split
where the family is no longer associated

576
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:37,440
with um the frontage parcel. Uh so
that's just one recommendation. I I kind

577
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,680
of put a little graphic in the packet
that shows having that ease flush with

578
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,359
property line, maybe widened out a
little bit so that there is room to

579
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:50,240
plant some trees or have uh some some
greenway separating that house. Um, and

580
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,680
that's really the discretion of the
planning commission if they want to

581
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:58,800
adopt that as a condition of approval.
Um, and uh up to the applicant how they

582
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:03,280
would plan that unless the planning
commission has specific requirements

583
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:08,240
that they impose on that. Um, my report
also includes special land use findings

584
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,599
on page 44. Uh, because this is a
special land use and zoning ordinance.

585
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:17,680
Um, I will try to summarize these as
best possible. Um the first is that the

586
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,680
uh special land use will be harmonious
and in accordance with the general

587
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,599
objectives of the township master plan.
Um

588
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,280
the the cemetery will be anticipated to
bring low levels of traffic to the site.

589
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,280
There will be use that's compatible with
preservation of low inensity land use

590
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:38,079
that's typical of the agricultural
zoning districts. So um it appears that

591
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:42,240
that standard doesn't matter.
Um the use has to be designed,

592
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,680
constructed, operated and maintained so
as to be harmonious and appropriate in

593
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:51,119
appearance with the existing or intended
character of the area. Um again this is

594
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:57,440
a small site 2288
ft of total uh cemetery plot space um on

595
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:02,560
over 9 acres of land that's presumed to
be largely open space. So again

596
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:06,319
harmonious it will be anticip
anticipated to be harmonious with its

597
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:10,319
surroundings. Um it's also not
anticipated to be hazardous or

598
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:15,280
disturbing to existing and nearby uses
uh which is one of the criteria we have

599
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:19,760
to look at um in section C. Um so long
as the appropriate approvals are um

600
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,160
received from the county health
department. I believe that standard has

601
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:29,119
been met um that the use is compatible
with existing and adjacent uses of land

602
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,480
um and will promote the use of land in a
socially and economically desirable

603
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,760
manner. Uh the proposed use will have
minimal impact on the adjacent

604
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:42,319
properties and will allow the subject
site and adjacent properties to develop

605
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:46,079
in whatever manner they choose in a in a
socially and economically desirable

606
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:50,319
manner. Essentially
uh whether the site will be served

607
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:54,319
adequately by public water uh private
public or private water and waste

608
00:48:51,920 --> 00:49:00,079
treatment services. Again, um pending
any information on irrigation or water

609
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:05,280
for races, um there's really anticipated
to be very minimal public utility

610
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:08,720
component to this. Um that the use will
not create excessive public uh public

611
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:14,160
costs and will not significantly
decrease property values of surrounding

612
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:17,200
properties. Um that one again this is a
preserving open space and will involve

613
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,040
no development that will cause
detrimental impacts to neighboring

614
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:27,119
properties that will reduce property
values that you can anticipate. Um last

615
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:30,000
two here the second last is that they
will meet the requirements and standards

616
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:34,079
of the zoning ordinance and other
applicable law standards and

617
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:38,240
requirements or regulations. Um those
will be met subject to the conditions of

618
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,240
this report. Um and then finally that
this will be harmonious with the natural

619
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:46,319
environment and more unique natural
features and again this is a small

620
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:52,319
disturbed area in a larger site that'll
be mostly open space. So we believe that

621
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:55,599
criteria criterion has been met and so
we think there's adequate justification

622
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:02,000
for the special land use approval in
this report pending um any action by the

623
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:06,640
ZBA on uh the um the variance aspect of
it or the the ZBA's review aspect of it

624
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:14,960
and then pending preliminary and final
site plan review. Um that being said, I

625
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:20,480
we think that this use could be um
conditionally approved for special end

626
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:24,160
use and um potentially for preliminary
site plan understanding that there would

627
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:29,520
have to be significant more details that
come back with the final site plan

628
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:34,160
review. um the procedural aspect of
that. If this if and when this goes to

629
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:38,400
the ZBA, the ZVA needs to have a
preliminary site plan approval in hand

630
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,319
that they can reference if they're going
to approve that part of it. So, it's

631
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:47,520
kind of a back and forth process. Um but
the planning commission could um

632
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:52,720
uh grant preliminary site plan approval
and special land use approval today um

633
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:57,280
pending ZDA approval and pending site
plan final site approval at a later

634
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:01,280
date. um subject to the conditions I've
mentioned uh throughout my statements

635
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:05,760
here um which I believe I have stated
throughout my other comments here. I

636
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:09,040
don't um I can certainly help walk
through those again if you'd like as

637
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:14,000
we're writing a motion but I won't
repeat them now. I think okay

638
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:17,680
» summarize everything so far. So happy to
answer any questions

639
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:22,400
turn it over back to the planning
commission and the public.

640
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:27,760
» Okay. All right. What we can do now is
open up the public hearing to the people

641
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:34,160
that want to talk. Uh haven't, you know,
want to express something about this. Um

642
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:41,440
if you stand up, say state your name and
your address for the record and we'll

643
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:45,680
whoever wants to go first.
>> Jim Brley. Uh I own property right there

644
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,720
on the corner.
>> Right. So I'm on

645
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:55,280
» Yeah. My question is, and I guess you
know it's legal to have a family

646
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:59,839
cemetery,
is there going to be any cost to their

647
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:05,440
township?
The reason I asked that, I mean, I don't

648
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:12,319
think any township and ours included are
not running with all kinds of money. So

649
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:16,000
if if all it's one thing if the township
has to pay something that's only going

650
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:23,200
to benefit
you, you know, and and the other

651
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:30,319
question I have is
is there something in there, maybe I

652
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:38,880
missed it, how the actual burial sites
um uh are I mean is it the same as what

653
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:43,520
it would be in another else, you know, I
mean, is it going to be in a casket? Is

654
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:47,040
it going to be a mold or whatever? You
know, I mean, that's a couple of

655
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,880
concerns that that I have.
>> Okay.

656
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:55,520
All right. Um,
>> I have some questions unless you need to

657
00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:01,040
answer his. No, I mean basically what
we'll go over I know there's something

658
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:08,000
in in the um in the review that talks
about uh perpetual maintenance and that

659
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:12,079
they will
take care of it and it will not go back

660
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:17,359
to the township. I think it was
something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

661
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:22,240
So that would be the only thing that you
know one question [clears throat] it

662
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:27,839
should be it's their responsibility.
Um and then you know if they default on

663
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:34,480
that then we go after them. So
>> Right. And they were talking about the

664
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:37,599
the specifications of getting to and
from.

665
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:42,559
» Right. Right.
Yeah. Cuz it's I I think the thing off

666
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,559
of Fletcher is pretty narrow. Is it 66?
Is it

667
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:49,359
» I believe it's only 25 ft.
>> 25 ft. And it's only 25 off of side of

668
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:53,040
church too. Isn't that correct? Yeah.
Yeah. So, are they going to be required

669
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:58,480
to
build a separate driveway to that plus

670
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:02,800
their home driveway or
>> um the way it looks like on the plan

671
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:05,680
» comes out?
>> It comes off the home driveway.

672
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,960
» Yes.
>> The home driveway. Now, they might need

673
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,599
to to you know,
>> well, it' be an ement

674
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,359
» fortifi. Yeah, it' be an e
>> easement for the cemetery.

675
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:20,480
» Right. Right. even though it's a
personal drive, it would be an easement,

676
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,800
» right,
>> for there to get to the cemetery. So,

677
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:32,960
» be an easement to get back there. And
then, as he had um Dan had said, maybe

678
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:39,280
you want to from the driveway portion of
the site go down,

679
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:43,880
» put a little down to go into where the
uh burial sites will be.

680
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:49,200
Okay, Richard, if you don't mind, I
don't want to stand. So, that's fine.

681
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,680
Take off.
>> No. Um,

682
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:55,040
» several questions, but I'm going to go
back partly to what Mr. First had to

683
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:59,520
say.
Sadly, you guys are gone. I'm going way

684
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:05,760
down the road.
No one from the family is available to

685
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:11,760
maintain the cemetery.
What happens at that point? they they

686
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:18,480
have to set aside money in the beginning
for for upkeep and and stuff, you know,

687
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:20,800
25, 50, 75 years down the road.
>> Mhm.

688
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:25,359
» Um, how is that handled?
>> I'm not sure. Is there is like bonds are

689
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:29,280
there bonds that are put for something
like that or not? Or

690
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,280
» didn't say it goes with the property,
the responsibility goes with the

691
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:36,319
property owner.
>> Goes with the property owner. Yeah.

692
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,280
» Yes.
>> Okay. And there was that question. Who

693
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:44,880
owns
>> parel two?

694
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:50,880
» Who owns parallel two?
>> Um, it looks like she

695
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:54,000
» Jeffrey Spencer.
>> It's your father.

696
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:58,480
» Yeah. So, I'm in Edwards now cuz I'm
married, but I see Spencer was my father

697
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:03,119
and he passed away in 2021.
>> Okay. Inherited

698
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:06,640
» and you've got the property above that.
You've got the house above that. Okay.

699
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,160
That's great.
>> And we're planning to change that name

700
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,240
out of or the parcel out of his name to
our name

701
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,720
» to your name. Okay. All right.
>> Okay. That that helps.

702
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,079
» Whoops.
>> Because I was going to say I know Jeff's

703
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:20,079
not here, but if it was in a state or an
LLC or something,

704
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:24,720
» right?
>> Just in terms of clarification there.

705
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:28,720
Um, the other question that I have, if
you'll look at your certified survey,

706
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:34,319
uh, we have the property just to the
north on Sio Church and we border along

707
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:40,720
the other ement, which is fine, but you
have us looking like we own all the way

708
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,760
to the far right. David and Barb Miller
own that property. It was formed by

709
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,319
Crafts.
>> They're not listed here as a owner. It's

710
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,880
like you have us all the way across
that.

711
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:54,240
» Oh, I see. I see. They probably should
have notified. I don't know if you

712
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:58,319
notified them or not.
>> I don't know.

713
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,000
» I guess once I can tell
>> you.

714
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:03,920
» Oh, you didn't.
>> Not

715
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:07,599
» because you don't live with you don't
live within 300.

716
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:11,280
» Yeah, they do say 300 ft. It's 300. It's
to live within

717
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:17,400
» but the person
>> generally we would notify you. Okay. Got

718
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,559
» so
>> so I believe that you need to get a

719
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,440
correct survey done
certified surveyor.

720
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,640
» Yeah. [laughter]
>> You missed the house

721
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,960
» cuz he didn't put that down. Yeah,
you're right.

722
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,720
» And we'll let them know. But I think
they officially [clears throat] should

723
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,960
get something from the township. I I
doubt there's any issues, but it's

724
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,119
something
>> they Yeah, they should have. I agree.

725
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:50,960
Maybe because I don't know why that
didn't show up. H I don't know.

726
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:55,760
» Yeah, because you have our names going
further to the east than we own.

727
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,599
» Right. Right. Like over over where that
260 is.

728
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,799
» Correct.
>> Gotcha.

729
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,200
I do have the list of people.
>> Correct. If you follow the north south

730
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,680
line that comes along partial too,
you'll continue straight to Saturn

731
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,760
Church.
>> What was it? What was their names again?

732
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,359
» Dave and Barb Miller.
>> Dave and Barb Miller.

733
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,520
» Let me see here.
>> She's got a list of the people that she

734
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,680
had not.
>> Yes, I did send a a notice out to Dave

735
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,079
and Barb Miller. Okay. Okay. There.
Yeah. Good. And who else were we

736
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:26,000
questioning?
>> That's it.

737
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,880
» Oh, okay.
>> Well, Tim Brisk is quering, but

738
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:31,359
» Yeah, I know. [laughter] But he's not
within the 300 ft. Yeah.

739
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,160
» Yeah.
>> You're too far down the road.

740
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,559
» You're too far. It's too far down the
road.

741
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:39,280
» Too far. [laughter]
>> Okay.

742
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:44,079
» Um, [clears throat] any other
>> just in this the same vein? Cuz I caught

743
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:48,079
something he said, but I wasn't sure.
So, down the road, cemeteries in place,

744
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,480
everything's fine,
>> right?

745
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:58,079
» Can they split off partial two and have
other homes built up there? Do they have

746
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:02,480
some odd restrictions for that?
It depends on when when was the original

747
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,960
parcel. How big was the original parcel
for your dad? Yeah, it's it's

748
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:08,400
landlocked.
>> Um he's always had it in those two

749
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:14,319
parcels.
>> All right. Yeah.

750
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:18,559
» So, um I think because it's landlocked
and it's because it's got only like 25

751
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,799
ft to one.
>> You going to make it into one parcel or

752
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:27,200
are you going to keep them two? Um, we'd
like to pursue getting a combined.

753
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:32,720
» So then it would become one parcel
instead of two,

754
00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:35,040
» but with the 25T easement, they wouldn't
be able to subdivide that property

755
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,040
anyhow.
>> No, I don't think they'd be able to

756
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:39,839
divide it with the
>> 256 foot wide easement.

757
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,000
» Right. Right.
>> To be able to put multiple homes on

758
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,000
them.
>> And the only other thing they could do

759
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:51,520
is, and this is why, it has to go to the
ZBA. Anytime you you try to use

760
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:57,280
something different than uh a
non-conforming lot can be used as a

761
00:59:54,319 --> 01:00:01,359
residential home. That's it. So anytime
you would try to put like four or five

762
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:05,440
residential homes that would have
>> used

763
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,559
» that would not be allowable unless they
went to the ZBA and the ZBA.

764
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:13,440
Yeah.
>> So, if I'm understanding what you just

765
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:17,520
said, [clears throat] 20 years from now,
if they chose with another sibling to

766
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:22,520
let them build a house, that's not going
to be an option for them.

767
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,520
» Um,

768
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:29,839
» I don't I mean to to split the land off
and put another house on it.

769
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,760
» I'm not sure.
>> Is that the question? Is it a primary

770
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,680
use?
>> It would be a primary use, but

771
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:38,400
» could they split it off? I'm not even
sure you could split it off to be honest

772
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:43,119
with you.
>> Let me word it different. Could they,

773
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:47,280
you know, build a second home and
subleasase it to whomever? It doesn't

774
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,280
have to be a family.
>> Yeah.

775
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:55,440
» I'm really, you know,
>> not really highly worried, but just I

776
01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:59,680
caught I thought he said that the
property could not be split again or

777
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:04,559
could not be used as a building site.
I'm just trying to clarify that

778
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,839
» and I think and you know I think because
neither one of the accesses are 66 ft

779
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,599
wide
>> right they got since they got a second

780
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:15,520
access that might
>> that might change it I don't know if

781
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:19,359
» they if they got the access off the sire
church in addition to the access off of

782
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:23,762
uh
Fletcher they're still

783
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,319
» it's still not 66 ft wide
[clears throat]

784
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:31,319
» I thought you just need to access
Well,

785
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:34,400
» why is there two? Is that what you're
asking?

786
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,839
» No. No.
>> He thought

787
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:41,599
» you can only put one house on a parcel
if you don't have more than if you don't

788
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:45,040
have 66 foot wide. You need two way
traffic. All I'm saying is there's two

789
01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:48,799
access points to the property. One's off
of Fletcher and then there's another

790
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:52,640
easement off of
>> side. I think when the house was

791
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:55,359
originally built
>> or going to be, he wasn't sure to build

792
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,760
it.
>> Yeah.

793
01:01:55,839 --> 01:02:02,240
» Which he was going to use. And if you
see the layout, he picked the much safer

794
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,680
direction. [laughter]
>> I know. I looked down early.

795
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:09,280
» Is it? Oh, okay.
>> So, nobody might even be able to get

796
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:15,000
back there from the one side. [laughter]
>> That's not That's not even the most sane

797
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,000
direction.

798
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:24,079
» Okay.
Um, you know, I don't,

799
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:27,680
like I said, parcel two and we've got
parcel one.

800
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:35,440
I think
>> I think it was the two.

801
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:41,480
» One parcel is believe 9 acres that has
our home on it and the other one is 72

802
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,480
years old.

803
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:50,480
» Doesn't it the sizes are correct? I may
have back [laughter] apologies.

804
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:54,480
» The homes on the 3 acre. Yes.
>> And then the larger parcel where you

805
01:02:53,119 --> 01:03:00,000
have the
>> the cemeteries on the 9 acres.

806
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:07,680
» I always thought we had 13. So that
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Um

807
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:12,400
» in on the question about future build.
>> Mhm.

808
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:16,559
» Um I did look at Google Earth or on our
parcel map. I can't remember which, but

809
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:20,640
you have to zoom out. Um, the only I
think all all parcels around you have

810
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:24,640
home sites on them and they're they're
there's no way to get to Fletcher Road

811
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:29,760
or side of Church Road in a way that you
can develop anything more than what's

812
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:33,760
there right now, but to the south
potentially someday there could that

813
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:38,640
there's a larger farm property. I forget
the name of the road to the south, but

814
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:45,760
conceivably somebody could build a road
through that and then subdivide that.

815
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,839
That's pretty um pretty hypothetical. Um
>> right

816
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,960
» in terms of these two parcels, I think
there was a good hypothetical that was

817
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:55,680
raised.
>> You under the zoning ordinance can build

818
01:03:53,599 --> 01:04:00,880
up to one single family home and it's
accessory building on any non-conforming

819
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,720
parcel that would include the the
complete landlock parcel,

820
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:09,119
» right? technically and they could gain
access through an ement either the one

821
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,559
that's existing out to Fletcher Road or
up to Style Church Road through that

822
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:16,720
other there's a there's a strip of
access there but there's no driveway. So

823
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:21,839
» um that other par could have a home on
it someday in theory but it's virtually

824
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,920
possible the way the land is configured
now that any other any further approval

825
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:31,680
could occur. You couldn't build a
subdivision or a second back there

826
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:35,839
because there's no room for 66 foot wide
private roads right away for example to

827
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,599
get through there anywhere. So
>> yeah,

828
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:42,079
» just a another little bit perspective.
>> Okay. All right. Is that

829
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,599
» Yep.
>> Clear as mud. Okay.

830
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:51,280
» Truth. I live just south of
>> this farm. Okay.

831
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:57,680
» Truth. Is it truthale? Okay.
>> Truth. And I have one question I guess

832
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:02,160
where the driveway currently goes up now
>> and the proposed easement will go up to

833
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,799
the site location.
>> Mhm.

834
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:11,839
» Is that going are they going to be
required to put in an access road to get

835
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:15,760
there or just provide a easement for
future use?

836
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:20,160
» H
>> to the cemetery.

837
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:25,280
» Yes. The way it was written, it was
going to be grass off once off of your

838
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:28,160
drive, right?
>> Yeah.

839
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,440
» It's going to be a grass drive getting
to the cemetery.

840
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:35,680
» Okay.
>> And then I think you did make it, Dan,

841
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:38,799
you did say something about making an
easement

842
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:43,119
» to the cemetery. So, it would be an
easement. It wouldn't be a road,

843
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:46,960
» but it would be an improved easement or
is it just

844
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:50,240
» um healed like it is now? I think it's
it well the way this is drawn it's just

845
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:54,480
feel
>> as it is now.

846
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:57,880
» Yeah. But it says
that in the grass

847
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:04,240
» there is um there's no requirement I'm
looking here

848
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:08,400
um in the specific standards for
cemeteries although we do want to have

849
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:15,520
the information on what the surface
material is on the site plan. Um

850
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:20,240
in section 5.12 for cemeteries um you
have to show

851
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:24,400
uh that there will be direct ingress and
egress from a paved public road which

852
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:28,960
means you have to have the easement
connect all the way to Fletcher Road. In

853
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:32,319
this case there needs to be an easement
for ingress and egress from the public

854
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:37,039
road to the land on which the cemetery
is located and that easement must be

855
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,160
recorded. Um and there of course we
talked about the provisions for

856
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,079
perpetual care and maintenance of the
cemetery property which would include

857
01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:49,680
everything encompassed in that easement
up to the cemetery. Um but there is no

858
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:53,839
specific standard or requirement for
what the road paving material is that

859
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:56,480
I'm aware of unless
>> Okay.

860
01:06:54,400 --> 01:07:02,720
» So I guess it could address one one way
of saying it could be unpaved.

861
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:11,039
» Um that brings up the question. Okay. So
it's there's no specific

862
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:17,839
does the the guy that's going to dig the
or the cemetery or the I don't think

863
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:22,880
Johnny going to drive by disrespect but
I don't think Johnny's going to drive up

864
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:27,680
there with his car cuz that driveway is
very very narrow and the brush and

865
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:32,400
everything else. I just I didn't know if
cemetery people have certain, you know,

866
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,480
requirements.
>> Mhm.

867
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,520
» You know, even if you had to take a
backhole up there and that kind of

868
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:42,400
stuff, you know.
>> Mhm.

869
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:46,000
» That was leading to my question of how
are you going to get there?

870
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:51,680
» Right. Right. Right.
>> If you recall, when this cemetery down

871
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:55,839
here was not being cared for,
my father was buried there. We had a

872
01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:02,061
rainstorm.
Johnny Mitchell put the cast in the back

873
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:02,061
of a Suburban. [laughter]

874
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:10,400
» If it needs to be done, it'll get done.
That's probably not an issue. If I can

875
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:14,480
just say something to you, we've spoken
to the funeral director at the home

876
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:18,480
about that because it is pretty rural,
rough land. And he said, "As long as

877
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:21,839
you've got the paperwork and everything,
you can strap it to a trailer if you'd

878
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:27,920
like and
>> Okay. Okay. Well, where my parents are

879
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:32,480
buried down in
Oh, well, it's off of it's in the

880
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:38,799
country down towards Blissfield
>> and it's just grass drive. The the

881
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:44,239
cemeteries in the middle of the field,
>> so and they make it,

882
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,520
» which is fine,
>> right?

883
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,080
» No, I just it's not odd to have
especially the older seven,

884
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:57,040
» right,
>> to have a grass driver, right?

885
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:59,279
And I and they're like 16 sight uh
burial plots. Is that correct?

886
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,960
» Yes.
>> And they're like 10 by

887
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,440
» No.
>> 10 by

888
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:10,640
» 10 by four.
>> Yes.

889
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:18,319
» I have I question. This is more out of
curiosity than anything else because

890
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:23,679
» we're very far away from your property
line is. Mhm.

891
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:31,600
» Um what type of burials is it going to
be vaulted? Is it going to be um green?

892
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:33,759
» I think at state health department
state.

893
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,600
» Yeah.
>> The state would tell them.

894
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,880
» Well, I mean I'm not oppo I mean opposed
either way,

895
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:44,960
» right?
>> I just my concern is with the amount of

896
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:47,600
wildlife that seems to be up in that
direction,

897
01:09:46,808 --> 01:09:52,319
[laughter]
>> you know, I just And the depth of the of

898
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:56,000
some of the reading I was doing, you
know, the depths

899
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,920
are different.
>> Right. Right.

900
01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:03,400
» It's not six feet anymore.
>> It's not 6,

901
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:10,880
» but I but I think the um I I I know the
state regulates

902
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:14,080
» a lot of that.
>> And I don't we didn't get is there

903
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:17,440
something from We didn't get anything
from the state or anything. Yeah. Yeah.

904
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:24,080
Yeah.
So,

905
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:30,320
uh, anybody else any questions?
>> All right. Did we answer your questions?

906
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:34,719
» Yeah,
kind of. [laughter]

907
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,159
» I don't want to come back and fight the
township.

908
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,560
» Right.
>> Right. And that's what that's definitely

909
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:45,440
what we don't want to.
>> We've already got several township

910
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:49,840
cemeteries that we have to deal with.
Yeah, sure. Right.

911
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:54,560
» Okay. All right. Well, then I will close
the public hearing unless there's any

912
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:59,320
other comments. All right.
Now, we can discuss this.

913
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,920
Um,
okay. So,

914
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:12,000
you guys
questions, concerns?

915
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:18,719
I mean, I think as long as we have the
state regulations that you adhere to,

916
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:23,280
um, I think it sounds to me like it's
going to be a very natural cemetery, so

917
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:28,280
there's not going to be paved roads or
anything like that. Um,

918
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:37,920
yeah, I don't. And it's kind of like a
little small parcel, a small acreage

919
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:43,120
area within a 9 acre parcel.
And I don't think any nobody out there

920
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:45,920
can see that area from where you are.
But you know,

921
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,000
» you can barely see
>> barely see it.

922
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,600
» Probably if you walked to the back of
our property.

923
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,000
» Yeah. Yeah. If you went way back. Yeah.
Okay.

924
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:58,400
» Cuz Yeah. I think you would be the
closest

925
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:03,600
according to my survey here.
>> The property the 9.9 is that currently

926
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:08,080
farmed or just grown up or
>> just grown up? Yeah. We have several

927
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:14,880
mobile fields, but that's all. Okay.
>> It's It's backed by forest, so

928
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:18,239
really only people can see.
>> Oh, okay.

929
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,520
» And you're going to keep all the trees
and all that jazz. Okay. Good. Good.

930
01:12:20,735 --> 01:12:25,040
[laughter]
>> Okay.

931
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,159
» Dear sounds like
>> Yeah.

932
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:32,880
» Yeah.
>> The deer will be visiting a lot. Yes.

933
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,880
Questions? Anybody else?
concern.

934
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,600
» So the way I'm sure
>> perpetual is taken care of.

935
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,920
» Yeah. As long as it's there is an
agreement for perpetual maintenance.

936
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:48,400
Yes.
>> Even if it changes hands or something

937
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:53,120
like that
that it be becomes a responsibility of

938
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:58,040
the new buyer and it's clearly stated to
that buyer that they are responsible.

939
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,040
» Yes.

940
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:04,880
» Okay. Um,
so I guess what we need to do, there's

941
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:09,520
several things on the plan that need to
be dealt with.

942
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:15,679
Um,
but for them to go to the ZBA,

943
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:20,000
we would have to approve the preliminary
site plan with all the conditions that

944
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:23,440
need to be dealt with. Is that correct?
>> As well as the special use.

945
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,920
» As well as the special use. We can
approve the special use and then

946
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:32,880
» conditions. You can
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

947
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:38,480
» Yeah, you could um postpone action on
the special use, but if you're feeling

948
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,880
ready to um there's no reason you can't.
You can do both a [clears throat]

949
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:46,560
special use and a preliminary site
interview today. What the ZBA would need

950
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:51,199
to review the case would be a approved
or conditionally approved preliminary

951
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:53,679
site plan. I don't think the uh the
special use can come now or can be

952
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:58,159
later.
>> Okay.

953
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,360
And then um the final site plan will
come before us.

954
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,360
» Yes.
>> For the final approval with all the

955
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,560
changes made and things like that.
>> Yes. That would be right after the ZVA.

956
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:10,960
» Okay.
>> Okay.

957
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:15,520
All righty.
So, what do you guys want to do? I don't

958
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,000
see any need for any landscaping or
anything.

959
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:24,000
» It's already done.
>> It's kind of done.

960
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:30,880
» Green. Um, so I'm willing I'm ready to
make a motion to approve the special use

961
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:33,520
permit number where is it? It's not on
there.

962
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:42,159
» Uh, 26001
>> one. Um, with the conditions that the

963
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:50,640
site plan is corrected to include the
emissions noted on the planners report.

964
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:57,040
And um they the applicant obtains
approval from ZBA for the um site

965
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:03,840
limitations and they get the health
department approval

966
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:06,480
and I yeah I guess a separate motion for
the

967
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:11,040
» for the site plan. Yeah, let's let's do
the special use first.

968
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:17,840
» I'll support that.
>> Support. All in favor?

969
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:23,719
» Opposed? None. Motion carried. Now we
need to do the site plan preliminary.

970
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:35,040
» All right. So I will move on this first.
I will make the motion

971
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:37,947
lost her words. What? No. Him.
>> Yeah. [laughter]

972
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:46,239
» Elizabeth is better at the words. No,
>> you don't know cuz nobody thinks that

973
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,880
you don't ever do it.
>> We have Howard went for the adjournment.

974
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:57,760
He always [laughter]
>> That's all good.

975
01:15:53,760 --> 01:16:00,400
» All right. So, I I move that we give um
preliminary site plan approval.

976
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:04,560
» Okay.
>> To application I don't know 20261.

977
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:11,040
» Yep.
um conditioned upon the applicant put

978
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:18,600
correcting the site plan to include the
information that was missing as noted on

979
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,600
the planners report.

980
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:26,880
» Is that everybody good? Well, I need a
second.

981
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:31,679
» H is that was that you?
>> Did you mention the ZVA on that?

982
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:35,360
» No, I did not because it's a preliminary
site plan approval. Oh.

983
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:39,360
» Yeah.
>> Okay. I'll support.

984
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:45,040
» All in favor? I
>> oppose. None. Motion carried. Okay.

985
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:49,360
» All right. So, you've got some work to
do getting your site plan [laughter]

986
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:53,080
the final to us
>> and then um

987
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:00,400
» and again, like I said, we'll we'll
check the final and and if there's

988
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:05,679
anything on the final we need to change,
we can change it.

989
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:11,520
That's a question too. As far as burial
goes, I assume I need the final final

990
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:12,960
approval before that can occur.
>> Um

991
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:17,920
» I think so.
>> I think so. Yeah. Just to be safe.

992
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:23,440
» Yeah, I I assume so. We The only thing I
wanted to say ask that for is that uh he

993
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:27,600
passed back in November and we've been
paying storage fees for him for that

994
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,360
long already and we'll be paying them
now for I think you said two more months

995
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,560
until the next meeting. Yeah,
>> in June, right? So,

996
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:37,280
» well, if there was any way to do that,
that's the only reason I wanted to ask.

997
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:41,440
But
>> if you can get something to us for the

998
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:45,120
May meeting, it'll be the the 18th of
May cuz we're a week early because

999
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,159
» you got to do the ZBA.
>> But you got to do the ZBA. That That's

1000
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:54,080
going to be the problem.
>> Okay.

1001
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:58,400
» Well, that won't happen until
>> Pardon me. The

1002
01:17:55,440 --> 01:18:03,600
» ZBA normally Thursday,
>> like two days, 3 days from now.

1003
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:08,480
Oh, okay. But you could do it in Well,
the end of the month on Tuesday. Is that

1004
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:14,679
what you're talking about?
>> Last Thursday.

1005
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,679
» The last Thursday. Oh, wow.

1006
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:28,120
» Suggestions.
>> A special ZBA meeting.

1007
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:28,120
» Yeah, you can do a special ZBA meeting.

1008
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:36,400
Uh, you'd have to do that right now.
>> Yeah.

1009
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,040
» I don't know. How long does the ZVA
notice have to be? Is it like us 15

1010
01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:44,159
days?
>> Yeah, 15 days.

1011
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:46,880
» Well, that ain't going to happen.
>> Well,

1012
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:50,000
» appreciate it.
>> Sorry.

1013
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:57,080
All right.
>> At least you know it's approved and you

1014
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:57,080
know you know there's an end in near so

1015
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:06,960
» okay let me see where am I
as much as

1016
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:10,960
» Thank you.
All right we will move on to committee

1017
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:17,679
reports township board activities
minute. What did you guys do?

1018
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:22,320
» We had a few things on we was a There
was an overage in the wolf account way

1019
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,560
back when
>> doing the wolf property the planning.

1020
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:34,560
» There's quite a bit still owed but we're
the township's taking responsibility for

1021
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:36,239
it and saying it's for the 425 agreement
from planning.

1022
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:42,480
» Okay.
>> So we're going to close that one out. to

1023
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:49,960
get agree on road agreement
and we're putting out 350,000 this year

1024
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,960
for roads.

1025
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:54,199
» Yeah,

1026
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:06,719
» um
as far as let's see, we did approve the

1027
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:12,800
landscaping waiver for the gas station.
>> Good. do that. And I did mention at at

1028
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:16,080
the recycling
to them about their

1029
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:20,800
» no decision at this point for
>> No, I told him he needed to probably

1030
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:26,000
speak with the people there.
>> Okay.

1031
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:28,960
» Okay. Uh Thornton Farms, that's still
with both attorneys.

1032
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:35,840
» All right.
>> There's been no decision yet. And

1033
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:41,760
actually, Bill um found out that Sykes
Drive and Wood Drive should be kept up

1034
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:48,320
now that we shouldn't have to worry
about it as far as for our road

1035
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:53,840
agreement. That it's something that both
of those roads should have been kept up

1036
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:56,560
without us having to put money towards
it.

1037
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,120
» The county should have maintained it.
Gotcha.

1038
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:06,400
» Why is that?
There's something to do with the um

1039
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:10,880
with the state
and because they're along the highway,

1040
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,320
both of them.
>> Mhm.

1041
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:17,199
» They're service guys,
>> right? They're service drives.

1042
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:20,080
» I agree. They need upkeeping cuz they
really need up.

1043
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:22,640
» They never have had it.
>> It's always been up to us if we want to

1044
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,960
do anything.
>> Well, good. That's good. I'm glad

1045
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:30,159
commission. How do we get the state to
pony up some money to do it?

1046
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,679
» He's working on it.
>> Yeah,

1047
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,880
» he did find that out though.
>> Good for him.

1048
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,800
» Yeah.
>> Anything else?

1049
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:43,840
» That's it.
>> Any questions for Nette?

1050
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:49,936
» Thank you, Nette.
>> Move on to the supervisor's report. Just

1051
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,956
ran out of here.
[laughter]

1052
01:21:53,040 --> 01:22:02,719
» He had something come up, so that's
fine. Uh let's just move the joint um

1053
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:07,679
planning for Silvin and Lima.
>> Okay. We did sign on the intent to plan.

1054
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:10,960
We did that a couple of months ago.
>> Mhm.

1055
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:15,440
» Uh we
will have a public hearing on use for

1056
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:20,960
that property. That just for everybody's
knowledge, it's the property just south

1057
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:27,520
of uh 94 between Fair Road and 52. It's
about 28 acres. There's a 425 agreement

1058
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:32,480
between Wimma and Silven Township on
that that property. Uh so Elizabeth and

1059
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:38,080
I are on the joint planning commission
for that property. So we will be holding

1060
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:43,120
a public hearing on
you know ideas for special use I guess.

1061
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:49,440
» Oh okay.
>> Interesting. All right. I think we're

1062
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:54,560
going to try to the master plan for
it'll refer to the limema master plan

1063
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,120
and the uh silver master plan so that
we're not doing

1064
01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:00,480
» so be a whole complete master plan.
It'll be like stuff specific to that

1065
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:03,520
site and then
>> okay

1066
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:09,440
» for the all the background information
and all that administration that goes

1067
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:12,960
into the master plan it's it's going to
refer to the other.

1068
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:16,880
» So at this point there's nothing going
on with that. Yeah.

1069
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:22,320
» And then anybody that would come in for
like something the development would

1070
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:26,080
have to go to you guys.
>> Yeah.

1071
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:32,320
» Even though there's no
>> plan yet, but it's under

1072
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:35,679
» right under that 425 in place,
>> right? Cuz that's

1073
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:38,000
» Yeah, cuz it's a joint.
>> Yeah.

1074
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:42,560
» Okay.
>> All right. Makes sense. I had no

1075
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:48,719
correspondence.
Final public comment. Anybody any

1076
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:53,600
questions, comments?
>> Thank you for coming.

1077
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:57,600
» And noward
>> Howard, hit it.

1078
01:23:54,719 --> 01:24:00,600
» I'm over your journey.
>> Second.

1079
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:09,480
» Can Okay. All in favor? I They do. You
do it so fast I can't keep up.