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» Call the meeting to order. The first

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order of business will be the pledge of

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allegiance.

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Let's pledge allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America.

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And to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice

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for all.

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» Item number two, approval of minutes

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from the special and regular meetings on

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August 11th, 2025.

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If no objections are registered, the

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council chair shall approve the same as

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written.

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Item number three, approval of warrants.

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Suggested motion to approve and sign

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warrants 17 through 25 in the amount of

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661,000

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$779.08.

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So moved.

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Gordon and Dan.

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Discussion.

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All in favor.

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Oh, I have to do roll call. Sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Uh, could you do roll call?

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» Somers.

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» Yes.

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» Harrington.

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» Yes.

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» Street.

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» Yes.

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» Clay.

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» Yes.

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» Yes.

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» Trask.

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» Yes.

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» That's a 5-0.

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» Item number four, suggested motion to

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approve and accept the following gifts,

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donations, and grants in the amount of

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$140 from Lucille Moore.

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An Eastland Moore donation in Nancy

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Christenson's name, $50 to the library.

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Kathy Morrison, donation in Barbara

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Healer's name, $50 to the library. And

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Mary B. Wilbur, donation in Marilyn

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Murphy's name, $40 to the library.

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Dan.

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» Second.

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» Gordon.

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Roll call.

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» Councilor Somers.

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» Yes.

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» Harrington.

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» Yes.

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» Street.

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» Clay.

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» Yes.

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» Trask.

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» Yes.

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» 5-0.

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» Chairman and town comments.

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Um, we're going to take up the domestic

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violence proclamation

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on the 16th.

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Assuming that is Assuming that we go

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that way.

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And

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Absolutely. Motion to suspend the rules.

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Right after this.

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Okay.

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Give me a minute, a second.

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» Second.

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» No, we're going to suspend the rules

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right after this.

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» Okay. Okay. All right.

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» I want to congratulate the economic

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development team for right now we've uh

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received a total amount of grants for

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Steve Levesque, Ruth Barrett, and the

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whole team of 17 million $484,200

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uh $484,250.

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Um, and there's more to come for the

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cleanup of the mill site. So, thank you

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very much. I appreciate it.

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If you'd like to suspend the rules.

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» Yes.

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» Motion to suspend the rules. Do I have a

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second?

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» Second.

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» Wooden.

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Discussion.

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Roll call.

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» Davis and Clark.

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Councilor Summers.

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» Yes.

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» Councilor McCarthy. Oops, sorry.

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Harrington.

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» Yes.

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» Street.

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» Yes. Yes.

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» Uh Clay.

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» Cross.

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» Yes.

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» Uh yeah, I'd like to uh

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have been uh the workshop scheduled

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uh for September 15th.

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I'd like to have that canceled and

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replace that uh with a special town

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council meeting on September 16th

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at uh 6:00 p.m.

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» Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Discussion?

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» Um, what's the purpose?

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» The purpose is moving to a special town

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council meeting where the same items are

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going to be taken up, only there's going

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to be more items.

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So, and we'll be voting in that

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in that meeting. So, we don't vote at a

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workshop.

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» Right. I'm just trying You said

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additional, what are the additional

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things?

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» I don't know what the additional things

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are, Mr. Town Manager.

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» We will have a number of things on that

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agenda,

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uh,

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including lake levels, potential dam

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repairs,

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uh,

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I don't have a list in front of me, but

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we'll have a number of things, some of

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which you should be voting.

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» Okay, thank you.

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Any more discussion?

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Roll call.

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» Councillor Summers?

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» Yes.

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» Harrington?

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» Yes.

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» Street?

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» Clay?

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» Yes.

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» Frates?

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» Yes.

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» Mr. Manager, I didn't get your comments

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when we were on

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» Well, you did skip by that.

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» I did, I only

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» Dennis was appointed for that.

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» Yeah, but I I don't know what

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I'm going to say. Great to say,

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uh, I will thank you for the fact that I

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just had my annual vacation. I enjoyed

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not being here, and I will say that

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Dennis Boland, who filled in for me, uh,

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he did that a couple of years ago, and

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uh, absolutely nothing happened during

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the time he was being the acting town

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manager. These last two weeks were very

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different than that. Many things came

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up, but Dennis handled them well, and

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and uh, I I thank him, and I thank you.

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» Congratulations, Dennis. Good job.

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Planning board report.

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» There is no planning board report which

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has been handed in to the town office

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» Thank you.

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Item number seven, monthly reports.

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Anything on monthly reports for the

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council?

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» Mr. Chairman, I have a couple questions

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but I'll hit some of them when the

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council gets back with me.

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» Okay.

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» One thing that I'll let I ask about is

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do you know for sure what

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in the last four months how many dollars

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have been brought

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brought in

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the assessment of the

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of the of the bad properties, not the

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bad properties but the properties that

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wasn't set properly and also properties

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that wasn't ever assessed.

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» We We do have that on the new billing.

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» Uh Mr. Chairman, so my monthly report

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wasn't in the uh agenda. I had a death

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in the family. Uh we do know about the

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sign.

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Uh there was um we thought we could get

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it fixed by a local company. Turns out

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we couldn't. Uh company from Lewiston

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came up and it has been sent out to be

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fixed and it should be fixed soon.

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» Anything else on monthly reports?

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Item number eight, open forum.

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Council will allow Lincoln residents and

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all Lincoln taxpayers to comment prior

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to council action on agenda items. Open

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forum questions should be forwarded to

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the town office by mail or email to the

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town clerk, Anne Morrison

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at questions@lincolnmaine.org.

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Please have your questions comments in

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by 5:00 p.m. the day of the meeting.

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If you have any questions

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please call 794-3372.

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General requests may be made in open

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forum during a regular meeting but will

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not be acted upon in the same meeting.

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Individuals wishing to be heard by the

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council will be recognized by the

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council chair. After identifying

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themselves, the speaker may make brief

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comments and may not repeat previous

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statements made.

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The speaker must limit themselves to the

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item under discussion. The speaker must

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observe rules of common etiquette. The

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council chair may set a time limit on

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the length of public comment and or time

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limit for individual speakers.

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The council chair reserves the right to

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stop any public comment that is contrary

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to the rules, and any council may call

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point of order during the discussion.

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Any person who disrupts the council

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meeting may be required to leave in

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order to maintain orderly consideration

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of the matters for which the meeting was

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called.

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Anyone for open forum?

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» Mr. Chair, you do have one via Zoom,

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Jesse Now.

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» Okay.

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We can start with that one if you want

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to. Bring that person up.

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» Hello, can you hear me?

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» Yes.

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» Hi Council, Matthew Wamboldt here. I

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heard the rules. This is something we've

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talked about, but I saw on the agenda

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there hasn't been anything put on about

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the looking into the relocation of the

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Gary Gordon statue. So, I just want to

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pop on and see if that's something that

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we're still potentially open to looking

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into the feasibility of relocating that

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statue, or is that something that other

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priorities have taken

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priority over?

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» Madam Mayor.

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We have done nothing to really look into

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that in a serious way. We need to

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develop

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dollar amounts what it will cost to move

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it, and we need to get the family to

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approve moving it.

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If that is what we have to

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Can we assign someone

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» Perfect. I spoke into that last month I

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when I made a comment on this, I spoke

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to the widow, Carmen Gordon, and the she

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spoke to the family and the artist. They

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are all on board, and they would like to

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be involved in this process. Um

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so, just wanted to follow up with that.

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Just to stay this at top of mind cuz I

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think it's an important thing to

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accomplish for the town.

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Or at least to look at it.

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» Have We will have somebody We will have

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somebody assigned to that.

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» Yes.

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» Anyone else?

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Yes, sir.

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» Hello everyone. My name is Carl Stengle,

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and I live on Cross Street.

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And I want to thank the manager who's

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doing the underground work on the

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street. I see it's getting done this

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week.

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But, there used to be signs on both ends

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of Cross Street that said no food

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trucks.

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And I feel that if they they don't put

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those signs back up and somehow try to

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enforce that, that once they do repair

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the road, it's just going to get torn up

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again. So, my question is, can we get

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signs put back up? And if we do, how do

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we enforce that? Do we have to give the

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drivers a couple tickets, and then they

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go back to their boss and say, "Hey,

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I've gotten a ticket for cutting through

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there. What do we do?"

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» Yes, Dennis. The signs are on order. Let

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Mr. Stengle speak some.

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» Also, how do we enforce

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» Also, it'll be enforced by the police

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department.

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» We have an order

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on them.

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» Also, police department.

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» I don't know how to answer that question

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cuz I But, I've never

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I've never

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honestly enforced

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through truck traffic.

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I don't know how that would be enforced

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cuz it's not a It wouldn't be a

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E-ticket. So, I'll have to look into

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that and and get back.

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» I'm sure if they get a few tickets,

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they'll stop driving through it.

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» You asked last month about the dam.

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» Yeah.

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» We've had someone go and look at the dam

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and we're looking at doing a Dennis, can

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you speak to that?

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» We have had several people out look at

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the dam. Wait Libby who's the steward

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steward of the dam,

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myself and a representative from Allen

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Engineering.

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And so I prepared for a presentation of

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sorts at our workshop tomorrow.

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» On the 16th?

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On the 16th.

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Anyone else?

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» Anyone else on the phone?

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» Anyone else on the phone?

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I assume Blaine King is on your agenda

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for tonight.

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482

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Anyone else for open open forum?

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Uh item number nine, the consent agenda.

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All items will be marked with an

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asterisk are considered to be routine

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and will be enacted by one motion.

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There will be no separate discussion on

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the items unless a council member so

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requests, in which

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the in which event the item will be

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removed from the consent agenda and

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considered in its normal sequence on the

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agenda.

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Item number 10 will be auto polls to

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open. Item number 11,

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direct registrar of voters and item

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number 12, election of wardens, appoint

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election wardens.

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Uh suggested motion, move to approve.

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The suggested motion for items 10

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through 12 as presented.

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» Second.

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» Second.

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» Norton.

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Discussion?

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Roll call.

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» Councilor Summers.

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» Yes.

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» Councilor Harrington.

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Councilor Street.

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» Yes.

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» Councilor Clay.

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» Yes.

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» Councilor Trax.

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» Yes.

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» I do.

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» Item number 13

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Presentation update from Biofine

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Developments Northeast Incorporated.

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0101

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» Good evening everyone. Good evening.

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Good to see you again.

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» Nice to see you again.

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» Sorry about doing my back for the

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awkward stuff. Um so we

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uh once again brought a brief

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presentation but as I

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feel it's a privilege to be able to

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present to you and talk to you about

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uh the progress on our project. Uh and

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and provide some some some updates.

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» Can you just identify yourself?

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» I'm Stephen Jones. Jones. I'm the CEO of

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Biofine Developments Northeast. The the

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the company that's developing the

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biofuels project at the at the former

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naval site.

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» Thank you.

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» Um so let's see. If you go to the next

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slide very briefly I know you've heard

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all of this before but but for anyone

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who hasn't just to

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quickly

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recap. Uh so Biofine is a

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green chemicals and biofuels developer

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and manager. Bio show fuels our own

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proprietary technology that is the

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subject of 28 patents worldwide

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for

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manufacturing these these proprietary uh

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compounds and chemicals.

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Biofine main phase one will make its

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home here in Lincoln, Maine.

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We've been working on it with

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you and and staff

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for several years now and as you know

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we're closer.

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Uh the plant will be a 150 um per day

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dry ton, 200 green ton processing

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facility where we'll take 150 tons of uh

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wood and paper

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and convert into 4 million gallons of

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biofuels and then some very valuable

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chemicals that I'll talk about in a

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minute. Uh we signed a long-term lease

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with you that was also extended um

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just

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earlier this year. Um

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our final permit applications were filed

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in September 2024. I'll give you a quick

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update on where we are with those.

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Um we're building the the project under

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a

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EPC design-build construction contract.

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And we have a long-term off-take

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contract with Spray Resources. Uh we

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partnered with Fire Rock Chemicals for

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the balance of the

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chemical products that we're producing.

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Um

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we're relying on the the towards

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forestry

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industry side.

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Our vision in Lincoln includes scaling

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up 10 times

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from what we have

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planned to start later this year.

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Um

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we have a 1,500 ton ton per day plant

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that takes advantage of all of the

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various site elements and

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characteristics. Um utilities, rail

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siding, and all of the work that the 17

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plus million dollars in grants have have

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provided for us.

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Um there's plenty of local feedstock,

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and we look forward to this continuing

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partnership with

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with the city and and staff.

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Um if you go to the next slide,

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I have a few slides here to quickly

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provide some updates from the last time

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that we

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talked to you. So, so very often in

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these projects, permits, certifications,

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and licenses are the things that hold us

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up, we are running at or close to

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schedule

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on all of these. As I mentioned, our

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final permit application went in in

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September of last year.

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There've been no questions or

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objections, and so we're waiting two

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things. Finally, on that, there's a geo

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tech survey that needs to be done and

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then another final condition, which

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include

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our construction contract finalization

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and and and and closing on financing.

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One terrific thing that's happened, and

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again,

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with much thanks to um

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uh

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Manager Bronson and the city of Warwick,

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the DEP agreed with us that their

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chapter 409 waste permit waste

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processing facility permit did not apply

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to us. Um when I spoke to you last, that

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was sort of on the horizon,

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looming as a potential one-year delay

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in the project, and and we were thrilled

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that um you know, that they

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found their way and in no small part

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uh due to the help of the good staff.

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Um

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Biofine has a intellectual property

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license. It's sort of behind the curtain

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for you guys, something you don't

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probably

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expect to ever see, but there's a pretty

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rigorous process for licensing and

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utilizing the IP of this project.

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We agreed and executed the

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license for the for the specific

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project, so we're pleased about that.

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Um the final we we have to get ASTM

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certification for our fuel,

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and the final balloting on that is due

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before the year end. First ballot will

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be in September

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for ASTM. There's always at least two or

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three,

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so we'll have our final one for the year

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end. Um our designation for our pathway

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process for RINs with the EPA is in

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process. This isn't actually something

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that we um have to have before financial

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closing and starting construction, but

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it's something um that we uh decided was

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interesting to to get started with. So,

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um you know, that's just um

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uh for your information.

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Um another thing that we need to have

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before

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uh starting construction is our uh

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uh carbon dioxide fuel uh pre-assessment

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from uh one of the exchanges. Uh Pure

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Earth uh is finalizing that subject to

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the final results of the tested our bio

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biochar. Um we have a number of other uh

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product tests and certifications that

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are

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um uh either in hand or in process, uh

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none of which uh threaten our schedule.

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Um and lastly, uh we were told that we

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did not need a permit for handling

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ethanol um uh on on the basis of the um

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federal plan. So, that's the story on on

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permits and certifications. We're happy

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that that's running uh as I say, on

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schedule. Um in the next slide, uh we'll

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talk about uh uh this is our

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construction contract and construction

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design contract.

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Um uh so, that we've concluded EPC uh

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term sheet negotiations with our

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contractor, Veolia Water. Um

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uh

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the um there is an outstanding

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discussion going on about uh final

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price, of course, as you can imagine. Um

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always kind of the last thing. Um we've

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made a number of design changes in the

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course of this uh uh

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uh re-contracting. If you remember, we

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had a uh a contract with um that failed,

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um and we had to re-contract. Um so, we

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took the opportunity to look through a

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number of things, what waste water

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discharge um and the water discharge

571
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:55,200
quality, um which is going to benefit

572
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,240
you and us in terms of the size and uh

573
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960
um, the amount of waste we're going to

574
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,080
have to treat.

575
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,680
Um,

576
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,640
uh, we've then increased uh, production

577
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,240
capacity marginally,

578
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,600
um, added some additional product

579
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,320
modules, and um, and made our our our

580
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,800
uh, internal site design site agnostic.

581
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,040
So, uh, this is it's the design that we

582
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,240
can use,

583
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,760
um, as we build out in in the subsequent

584
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,160
frames. Um, so that's

585
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,880
uh, creating some delays for uh,

586
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,680
um, um, we're probably putting into

587
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,240
first quarter now of of next year. I

588
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,880
think I told you uh, year end when uh,

589
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,720
when I was last with you.

590
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,360
Uh, but um, we think that those uh, the

591
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,880
added functionality and the quality of

592
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:39,600
the design package more than offsets the

593
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,920
the the delays. Um,

594
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,680
there are some increased costs, uh,

595
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,920
tariffs for imported goods, and then uh,

596
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,200
some of the additional time capabilities

597
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,880
are uh, impacting our costs. Um, we have

598
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,600
been able to drive some competitive

599
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,320
tension from some competing proposals on

600
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,920
the construction contracts. Uh, so we

601
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,400
feel good about that.

602
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,640
Um, and finally in this space we're

603
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,440
pushing very hard to optimize and make

604
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,440
sure that all of the local construction

605
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,520
and engineering trade are are utilized.

606
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,000
Um,

607
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,400
uh, the our largest uh, and and we've

608
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,440
been pretty successful with that.

609
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,200
Um,

610
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,600
in the next slide we talk about some of

611
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,440
the things we've done on products.

612
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Um, product it's uh, products this is

613
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,200
uh, slide five. Um, product

614
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,720
optimization. There we go. Uh, and I'm

615
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,640
not going to drive you through all of

616
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,600
these, but basically what this slide is

617
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,840
supposed to show is the the sort of uh,

618
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,880
primary non-fuel products,

619
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,680
um, the various permutations of these,

620
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:47,120
and and uh, where we expect to

621
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,880
uh, market them. Um, as I mentioned,

622
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,640
uh, all of the non-fuel products that

623
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,680
we're marketing they being marketed with

624
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,280
Carcross Council south of Kansas City.

625
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,200
We've got a terrific relationship with

626
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:01,440
them and they they've been

627
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,200
they've been very collaborative on

628
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,000
on all of these. And finally, we're

629
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,280
finalizing the feedstock contracting

630
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,280
with

631
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,720
three or four of the major forestry

632
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:17,360
groups in the in the region with term

633
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:20,960
sheets in process. We're also

634
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:24,680
looking at some post-process

635
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:27,520
paper residues from the MRC in Hampton.

636
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:31,240
Um, and and that's actually helping that

637
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,720
project get get get rolling as well.

638
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Um, one of the things that we're trying

639
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,600
to do with the US EPA right now is to

640
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,440
uh uh

641
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:45,640
is to get the EPA to accept that we can

642
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:49,480
use pulpwood for as our feedstock and

643
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,800
that would qualify under the RFS. Um,

644
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,840
that's important because right now we're

645
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,160
using

646
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,440
this tops and tails, pre-commercial

647
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,120
thinnings,

648
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,160
and you know, slash. Um, but pulpwood is

649
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,200
still being dragged back into the woods

650
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,240
when when it can't be marketed

651
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,120
to forest fire concerns. And so, it's

652
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,720
you know, it's it's it's a wasted

653
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,960
product. So, we think we'll be

654
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,640
successful. It's not it's not critical

655
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440
for us going forward in with the

656
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,840
project, but

657
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,960
we'd be really happy to see that uh

658
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,480
see that be successful.

659
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,120
Um, and I just want to say in the next

660
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,720
slide one word about

661
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,000
actually one more

662
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,960
slide. Thank you. This is just a little

663
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,600
bit of a word about our development

664
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,880
process and timing because

665
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720
as I said, we've been working with you

666
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,800
for several years.

667
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,600
You probably sit and wonder like what

668
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,280
are those guys doing? What's taking them

669
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,240
so long? Like, come on already. We

670
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,600
This is a development process very

671
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,640
iterative process. We We have a number

672
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,560
of work streams and I've listed them out

673
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,040
here, citing, permitting, engineering,

674
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,000
feedstock, teaming and technology,

675
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,840
operations and maintenance, and

676
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,480
All these have financial implications.

677
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,320
All of them have to be documented and

678
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,640
contracted. And we need to be able to

679
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,120
make sure that the market's going to

680
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,440
accept them. So So, this is sort of my

681
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,240
attempt at drawing this sort of cycle.

682
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,600
I don't I I hesitate to call it a

683
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,320
virtuous cycle, but it's a cycle

684
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,240
that that leads us through the process.

685
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,480
Our model

686
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,960
has over 200 independent variable

687
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,680
assumptions

688
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440
and 100 different operating

689
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,880
calculations. So, you know, every time

690
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,760
we change one,

691
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,280
we have to go back through and and and

692
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,000
and and re-evaluate all the others. So,

693
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,040
you know, if you're wondering what we've

694
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,560
been doing, that's that's that's that's

695
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,120
sort of it.

696
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,760
Additionally,

697
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,960
what we've been doing in the next slide.

698
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:49,320
And the last slide is

699
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,080
just a few new things. We've gone

700
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,400
through a little mini rebranding. You'll

701
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,800
notice our logo now, instead of saying

702
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:59,000
BDN, it says Biofine North America.

703
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Biofine Developments Northeast is kind

704
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,880
of a big mouthful.

705
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600
And

706
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,920
and kind of makes us the Austin nobody

707
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,200
else. So, So,

708
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,120
we're doing business as Biofine

709
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440
Biofine Group and Biofine North America

710
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,040
now.

711
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,120
And that goes hand in hand with the new

712
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,800
website that we're putting up. With with

713
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,280
the new logos, we'll have a new domain.

714
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Um

715
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,200
And

716
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,920
there will be a you know, a drop-down

717
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,280
separate website for the

718
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,000
for the project

719
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,600
where everybody will be able to go

720
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,320
and see you know, how we're coming.

721
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Um the second sort of new and noteworthy

722
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:41,160
thing that I wanted to mention is

723
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,720
you'll see in the coming days a

724
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,760
press release that will issue

725
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:50,680
about an MOU that we've executed with

726
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,680
Drax corporate out of the UK. Drax is a

727
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,680
10 billion dollar

728
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,120
UK utility

729
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,440
that long ago converted their coal-fired

730
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,080
power plants to wood pellets.

731
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,040
And they source most of those wood

732
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,400
pellets in the US. So the MOU that we've

733
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,200
signed with them is

734
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,960
is an MOU to

735
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,440
look for design innovation and and cost

736
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,400
sharing opportunities,

737
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,720
new product development. They would like

738
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,440
to use our char to

739
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,400
increase the heating value of their

740
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,720
their pellets, which

741
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,520
you know, have at it. We love that. And

742
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,560
and then of course future co-location

743
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,920
options which can include either

744
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,160
existing plants or you know,

745
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,200
or Lincoln for that matter.

746
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Um

747
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,280
And then finally I think just reported

748
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,640
at the

749
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,040
meeting by National Energy

750
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,720
and Fuels Institute conference,

751
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,960
we have been receiving tremendous

752
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,640
unsolicited interest in

753
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,240
the yellow hammer

754
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,640
fuel oil.

755
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,520
Not surprising us, but you know,

756
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,720
gratifying to see that come to fruition.

757
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Sort of validates our business model and

758
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240
and all of the things that we say we

759
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,520
want to be here in Lincoln.

760
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,879
That's coming from corporates and

761
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,440
institutions and we've been replying to

762
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:14,480
RFPs

763
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,639
and soliciting or

764
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,399
working on

765
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,440
you know, realizing on some of those

766
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:21,000
that's unsolicited interest.

767
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,679
So that's it. That's everything I wanted

768
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,240
to tell you about and happy to answer

769
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,960
questions now or or later.

770
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:28,520
Hopefully that didn't

771
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,480
put anybody to sleep, but thank you

772
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,040
again for for all of your questions and

773
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,159
your materials too.

774
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,040
» Sure.

775
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,040
Couple things just this one is

776
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,280
» Kind of

777
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,960
curious about this one.

778
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,879
» You had ASTM certification we said

779
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,679
validating. How does that process work?

780
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:44,240
That's interesting.

781
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,600
» Yeah, it's interesting. This is actually

782
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:48,840
my first time through this. So

783
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,000
so

784
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,720
it's a it's it's

785
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,480
the

786
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,440
standard

787
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,680
uh

788
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,560
the standard setting

789
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,240
group you know all the rules and a lot

790
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,200
lot of technical stuff with the process.

791
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:08,680
Um so

792
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:13,240
they they establish ASTM establishes

793
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:16,040
specifications for all fuels. Um and the

794
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:19,680
validating is

795
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,840
is the council the the board

796
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,440
all agreeing that you know that this

797
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,120
accurately and adequately describes the

798
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,840
fuel that it takes into consideration

799
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,960
all of the necessary safety and

800
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,040
transportation um hazards and um

801
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,760
considerations. And

802
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,640
yeah and and it seems to be that nobody

803
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,920
gets to pass on the first try. So that's

804
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,400
» That's one of the things I wondered

805
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,920
actually.

806
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,800
» Yeah. Yeah, so so

807
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,640
I mean it's sort of been you know

808
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,840
pre-sold if you will with this group and

809
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,040
and but

810
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,840
I think maybe it's a tradition that you

811
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,880
know

812
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,120
no nobody gets to pass the first time.

813
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,600
» All right. And then you said delay

814
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,440
you're talking about

815
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,800
actual delay of

816
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
uh

817
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,800
ground

818
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,760
breaking sometime early in the when you

819
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,160
move it back winter or spring. I'm

820
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,240
thinking probably not winter.

821
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,520
» Well, so we can start engineering

822
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,200
you know any any time.

823
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,560
I

824
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,240
if if I you know I I hate to sort of

825
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,960
offer false hope and and I'm so I'm you

826
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,120
know I'm going to say probably we're

827
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,240
thinking you know it's pushed back a

828
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,560
most of a quarter, right? Into sort of

829
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:34,200
the end of end of first quarter

830
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,080
for finally

831
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,800
closing financing

832
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000
and you know, putting a putting a shovel

833
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,800
in the

834
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
» Okay.

835
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040
All right, thank you.

836
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,600
» Mr. Chairman.

837
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,560
» Oh, I'm sorry. Sheldon?

838
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,480
» Uh I grew up in the woods business all

839
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,680
my life. Uh

840
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,320
Now, how much per dry ton are you going

841
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,480
to be paying for slab because if it's

842
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,760
not economically feasible for the

843
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,520
contractor, he's just going to haul it

844
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,200
back in the woods

845
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,800
and use it for a sub base to

846
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,400
operate the machinery.

847
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,720
» Right.

848
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,560
» So, I mean, is it going to be $35, $40 a

849
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,120
ton?

850
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,960
» I can't say

851
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,200
in this in this forum, but it is it is

852
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,920
we know that we have to make it

853
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,440
economically attractive and and it it

854
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,720
and you know,

855
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,760
that it's been a topic of negotiation

856
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,000
and we'll we'll uh

857
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,200
it will

858
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,920
uh

859
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,080
it will be attractive and it will

860
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,240
actually also permit other

861
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,840
forestry uh to continue that has it

862
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,360
done.

863
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,360
» Okay, thank you.

864
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080
» Anything else?

865
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Think.

866
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Sheldon?

867
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,800
Uh

868
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,680
So, I guess this would be for you and

869
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Steve Levesque. Um so, won't we have to

870
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:51,440
start this as asbestos remediation

871
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,000
process prior to the first quarter of

872
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,160
of uh

873
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,920
2026 when they're ready to break ground?

874
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,120
Won't we have to start our asbestos

875
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,200
removal

876
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,440
project of digging the hole and filling

877
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,720
the hole and

878
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,120
» Well, I'm going to talk a little bit

879
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,960
about that later, but actually we're

880
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,200
very fortunate because there isn't any

881
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,440
asbestos involved with their project.

882
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,240
» Perfect.

883
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,080
Never mind I asked.

884
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,000
» We like that, too.

885
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,960
» Yeah.

886
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,760
Okay.

887
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,120
» Uh

888
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,000
Anything else?

889
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,480
» I asked the question.

890
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,720
» No. No.

891
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,080
» Thank

892
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,640
» You, sir. Thank you. Thanks very much.

893
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,640
» Appreciate it.

894
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:33,040
» Item number 14, update on properties

895
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,040
added to tax records.

896
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,920
Mrs. Birch.

897
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,400
» So, to make it short, the project is

898
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,920
ongoing. And once it's done, I should

899
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,240
have a list of all the properties that

900
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,920
were added in all the ones that were

901
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:58,280
built rebuilt for multiple years.

902
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,000
But, as I stated in my monthly report

903
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,120
that as you read it, when I came back

904
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,480
from Chicago, I had a property owner

905
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,240
come into my office

906
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,240
and look at me and say, "I did the

907
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,560
calculation on the 30% cross-the-board

908
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,960
adjustment. When I did it, something's

909
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,840
not adding up." At that point, I told

910
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,080
him that the factor adjustment that goes

911
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,840
to all properties, there's no way it

912
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,440
could not add up.

913
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,120
In the duration of when I went to

914
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Chicago, I noticed that there was a

915
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,280
different program added to our Trio

916
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,880
program called account maintenance. We

917
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,320
use short maintenance in the town of

918
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Lincoln.

919
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,280
When this gentleman was in my office and

920
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,000
I double-checked, because when I did the

921
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,520
first calculation, I had checked the

922
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,440
accounts to make sure it went through

923
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,600
accurately and there was no problems

924
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,240
with the factor.

925
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,280
When I checked it when this gentleman

926
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:49,880
was in my office, I found that the land

927
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,280
values were inflated, not 30%, but over

928
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,920
60%.

929
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:58,360
So, I went and talked to the treasurer

930
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,800
and we called Trio, who is our software

931
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,560
company. They informed me, they said,

932
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,760
"Oh, we don't know how this happens. It

933
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:09,080
randomly happens. It just adds in. Did

934
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:13,040
your property values double?"

935
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:15,000
I was not happy. I was very upset, and I

936
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,240
felt this was just perfect timing that

937
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,200
it adds to the credibility factor we

938
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,680
already have.

939
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,600
At that point, the treasurer, Melissa

940
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,160
Cantella, who does our technology, put a

941
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,720
call in and said, "We need this fixed,

942
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,600
and we need this fixed immediately."

943
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,880
It was almost 2 weeks before the

944
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,440
software company got back to us. So,

945
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,520
this is why commitment is delayed.

946
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,960
This is why I have done the corrective

947
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,120
adjustments that they've done with the

948
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,440
uh factoring. But, in addition, when I

949
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,480
went in to try to correct this on my

950
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,800
own, when I discovered the issue,

951
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,480
started deleting the town information.

952
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,200
So, I'm in the process of reviewing

953
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,920
accounts, putting that back, and we have

954
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,600
a target date for commitment of the

955
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,120
15th, but the bill rate I gave you of

956
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,920
$15 and

957
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,880
» 68

958
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:07,080
» 68 cents is not accurate. It's $17.40

959
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,320
because of that 30 extra 30%, which has

960
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:14,000
now been corrected, which amounts to

961
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,000
about a 7% increase in everybody's tax.

962
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,800
So, with that, all I can tell you is

963
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,520
this was out of our control,

964
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,960
and luckily, uh

965
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:28,000
had it call on speaker, so it was plenty

966
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,240
of witnesses. I'm not making this up.

967
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,800
And in going to tax school this past

968
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,880
week, I found out that there were many

969
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,520
others that had the same issues. So, all

970
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,080
I can tell you now is it's been

971
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,760
corrected. I've checked the accounts. I

972
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,040
put the information that was deleted

973
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,040
when I tried to correct it back in, and

974
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200
I'm still working on adding values, and

975
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,720
hopefully, we'll have commitment ready

976
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,520
to go on the 15th.

977
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,400
» So, with this issue, will Maine Revenue

978
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,360
Service let us do less than a 30%

979
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,360
increase on our property values because

980
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,000
of

981
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,240
now increasing 7% instead of 3%?

982
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,360
» No.

983
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,520
No, it's that they adjust the 30% so

984
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,120
people

985
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,920
our assessments go up to 100%, so people

986
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,040
get their homestead exemptions, we get

987
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,800
our tree growth reimbursement, our

988
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,200
homestead reimbursement, etc.

989
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:21,280
It doesn't have anything to do with what

990
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:23,320
we require as a budget to run the town.

991
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,880
So, no.

992
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,920
And actually right now, the main lister

993
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,240
for assessors is compiling a list of

994
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,160
towns that had to do these adjustments.

995
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:36,680
We're up to 250 right now.

996
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,680
They did similar adjustments.

997
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,720
» Well, um I take it I think we've

998
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:46,560
discussed it before. There are options

999
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,600
for companies to provide the service are

1000
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Is there another?

1001
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,920
» There are other There are other

1002
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,680
companies. There's the Patriot system,

1003
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,160
there's the Vision system, and there's

1004
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,920
the Tyler system. But, not all of these

1005
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,880
have budgetary systems in them. And what

1006
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,880
happens is that they have similar

1007
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,880
problems with their assessing because

1008
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,440
software is not

1009
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,120
unproblematic. So, they have different

1010
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,080
issues, not the same, but different. And

1011
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,320
um

1012
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Trio is encountering more than usual cuz

1013
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,320
they just went to a web-based software.

1014
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,040
But, like for instance, some of these

1015
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,760
don't have budgetary, so we do the

1016
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,440
assessment and you load it onto the

1017
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,280
other system and then you come up with a

1018
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,040
whole host of other problems that are

1019
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,960
way worse than this.

1020
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,640
» I guess I I still don't understand how

1021
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,920
somebody hasn't made any improvements on

1022
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,000
their property in 40 years.

1023
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,800
We can increase their value by 30%.

1024
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,160
I don't understand it. I

1025
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,560
I don't know the assessing world. I I

1026
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,720
don't I just don't understand it.

1027
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,120
» Well, the only thing I can give you for

1028
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:53,200
a reference is when I started here in

1029
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,200
1991, the average ranch style home, you

1030
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,120
all know about 1,000 square feet,

1031
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,880
five-room count, as one bathroom, as a

1032
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,360
hot air furnace or electric heat at the

1033
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,920
time, full foundation on an in-town lot,

1034
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,800
sold for 40 to 45,000.

1035
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,040
Today, they're selling for 180.

1036
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,080
So, that's how they do it. It's It's

1037
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,040
statistically based, and it's a

1038
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,120
It's

1039
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,360
market-based adjustments because the

1040
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,840
market is saying it's all

1041
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,960
All of the assessors in the state of

1042
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,360
Maine are facing the same situation.

1043
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,560
» And this is all because Maine revenue

1044
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,120
said we need to increase 30%.

1045
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,000
» They because we need to keep 100%

1046
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,520
assessment.

1047
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
» Mhm.

1048
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,600
» There's different adjustments being

1049
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,960
applied. Not everybody is doing 30%.

1050
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,960
» I thought we were under 30.

1051
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,160
» No, 30% when we started, we were going

1052
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,600
to be 40%.

1053
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,560
» Okay.

1054
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,960
» They lowered it to 30.

1055
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,960
The average is 30 right now.

1056
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,440
But some are even more. Some Some

1057
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,200
assessors right now are at 50%

1058
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,840
assessment, so

1059
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,800
they're double.

1060
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,440
» So, our our mill rate right now looks

1061
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,000
like it's going to be 1740.

1062
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,840
» Yes.

1063
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,640
» Last year, it was 21.

1064
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,560
» It was 2060.

1065
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,720
» 2060.

1066
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,720
» Yeah.

1067
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,400
» Well, yeah, and

1068
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Okay, this is all being done because we

1069
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:20,960
don't have an actual revaluation yet.

1070
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,040
And then if the revaluation accepts us

1071
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,480
» Who recently had a revaluation.

1072
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,680
» Really?

1073
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,600
» In the past year.

1074
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,880
» So, that isn't

1075
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,240
» Their assessments have have their

1076
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,560
quality ratings have dropped.

1077
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:35,720
Just like ours did, and they're being

1078
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,600
told they're assessing at like

1079
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:42,320
71%, so they need to adjust it up. Like

1080
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:44,000
this is after revaluation. I will say

1081
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,800
that I feel very confident with the

1082
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,560
current condition of the market where

1083
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,800
I'm seeing prices go down, and I'm

1084
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,120
seeing sales taking longer. You know,

1085
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,920
before it was like a average week to a

1086
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,560
month to sell.

1087
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,160
Now, it's more like 3 to 6 months, you

1088
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,200
know? So, I'm thinking that the market

1089
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,400
is adjusting, so I'm thinking when our

1090
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,640
reval starts, by the time it finishes

1091
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,720
they'll be a leveling off. So it it

1092
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,360
won't be like these that did it right

1093
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,080
during the bumper height

1094
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,560
of

1095
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:18,400
of this market inflated markets.

1096
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,520
I did have a state economist come and

1097
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,600
speak at tax school. I have the report

1098
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,520
in my office and everything I've just

1099
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,080
told you is outlined in that report,

1100
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,480
exactly the same thing.

1101
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:33,680
You know, I'm

1102
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:35,040
it's a condition of the current market.

1103
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,440
» And we've already set our budgets. We're

1104
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,240
not like we can't cut our budget, we've

1105
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,240
already voted on it.

1106
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,920
I've got next year's budget.

1107
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,840
» We'll have to do what we have to do. You

1108
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,000
know, just like I had to do what I had

1109
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,520
to do.

1110
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,760
And you know, it's it's unpleasant. It's

1111
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,520
certainly, you know, it's the cost of

1112
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,400
running the town.

1113
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,200
» When when the new tax property when the

1114
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,960
new properties are

1115
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,320
correctly assessed and they're in there

1116
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,400
and you file them and you put them on

1117
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,360
the list,

1118
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,440
that'll go towards 2026. That won't

1119
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:10,160
affect 2025. Is that correct?

1120
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,680
» Well, 2025 technically is over.

1121
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,480
» Right.

1122
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,320
» Right. So yes, it will go to this year.

1123
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,400
» Okay, it'll go to the following year in

1124
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,800
in in tax base.

1125
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,280
» Yes.

1126
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,480
» Okay.

1127
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,600
» Yes. Yes, because the tax base when they

1128
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,160
do my audit for instance for this year,

1129
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,320
they'll be looking at 2025.

1130
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:30,000
But I'm open for any questions. I'm open

1131
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,240
for, you know, I mean

1132
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,080
the last thing I wanted to do tonight

1133
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,080
was stand up here and tell you there was

1134
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,160
a glitch in the software.

1135
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,520
That is absolutely the last thing. I

1136
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,720
really don't have, you know, suicide on

1137
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,960
my favorite ring.

1138
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,160
» And maybe we need to look for a

1139
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,800
different cuz we've had several issues

1140
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,840
with that Trio.

1141
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,400
» If you could hear the horror stories at

1142
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:57,120
tax school, they're varying variety.

1143
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,120
And Uh, one of the things is customer

1144
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,680
service because the fact is new software

1145
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,360
companies are understaffed, too. So,

1146
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:07,120
they're having a hard time getting back

1147
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,120
to the people asking the questions.

1148
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,040
» Mhm.

1149
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,960
I'm just sitting here wondering

1150
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,040
how we dealt with this 40 years ago

1151
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,240
without all this technology.

1152
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,440
» It was called manually done.

1153
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,880
» Now, would that be more efficient?

1154
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,840
» Uh, with the amount of tax accounts we

1155
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,080
have today, I would say no. But, may I

1156
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,160
remind you, too, back then, we had a

1157
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,400
single assessor, meaning the assessor

1158
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:40,400
only did assess.

1159
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:40,400
And they also had a part-time assistant.

1160
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,040
» Do we not have that now?

1161
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
» No.

1162
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,560
I have a part-time part-time assistant.

1163
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,560
» And she has a part-time assistant.

1164
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,400
» And we're you're looking at two

1165
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,120
different things because

1166
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,920
we can add a full-time assistant, but

1167
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,040
that's going to add to our budget.

1168
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,480
With benefits and and I think that's why

1169
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,080
we went with part-time part-time.

1170
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,440
And just my opinion, if we add another

1171
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,360
position, that's

1172
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,600
that's a lot of money to the budget.

1173
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,080
» But, to spend 80 to collect

1174
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,520
300,000 would be a good thing.

1175
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,320
» Well, you don't want to just spend 80

1176
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,480
for a full-time employee.

1177
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,480
» No.

1178
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,240
» You know.

1179
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:34,120
» You can you can bring her up if you

1180
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:34,120
want to. No question.

1181
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,800
Any other questions for Mrs. Burks?

1182
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,240
Thank you very much.

1183
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,560
Item 15, discussion on Wreaths Across

1184
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,560
America.

1185
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,280
» Uh, good evening. My name is Landon Fry.

1186
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,240
I'm one of the co-coordinators for

1187
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Wreaths Across America.

1188
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,920
Um some of the other co-coordinators

1189
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,960
would be

1190
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,760
April McKinney, Dakota Ora, and Scott

1191
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,680
McNish. Um what's your name again, sir?

1192
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,880
My name is Landon Fry. Landon, okay.

1193
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,440
Thank you. Yep.

1194
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,440
Um

1195
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,880
Uh what was given to me in outlines to

1196
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,600
me to present to you gentlemen this

1197
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,120
evening and the rest people that are

1198
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,680
here is that uh we need roughly 950

1199
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,400
wreaths. Uh this will cover everyone

1200
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,080
that we currently have

1201
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,840
uh on our list and this includes the

1202
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,360
five cemeteries here in Lincoln.

1203
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,520
Uh we are enrolled in a kickback program

1204
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:41,160
with the wreath company company. If we

1205
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:45,280
raise the funds for 733 wreaths, the

1206
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,280
cost of this would be $12,461.

1207
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,720
The other 218 would be covered by the

1208
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,520
company.

1209
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,280
Uh Wreaths Across America.

1210
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,840
Since the last town meeting, uh we've

1211
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,840
collected $1,624.69.

1212
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,000
This was raised by the four of us uh

1213
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,560
going around to local businesses and

1214
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,000
asking if they

1215
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,200
uh wanted to participate and provide

1216
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,920
donation.

1217
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,960
Uh we have a few other fundraising

1218
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,440
events planned such as a table at

1219
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,800
Septemberfest this coming weekend. Um

1220
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,600
table at Steaks and Stuff, uh an event

1221
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,520
at Walmart, we have a 50/50 raffle, and

1222
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,440
a prize calendar.

1223
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Um that we These are some of the ideas

1224
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,040
fundraising events that we're going to

1225
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,240
participate in and try and raise some

1226
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,000
money.

1227
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,840
Um

1228
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,080
From what I understand, cuz I wasn't uh

1229
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,600
part of this last year, um

1230
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,600
last year, I think we had even less

1231
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,160
money

1232
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,920
that we collected.

1233
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Uh so

1234
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,960
goal is to try and collect more money.

1235
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,720
Um

1236
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,120
the reason we're here is to see if the

1237
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,800
town of Lincoln would be willing to

1238
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,560
um

1239
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,120
donate any of that money towards Wreaths

1240
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,320
Across America

1241
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,120
for the

1242
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,320
grave sites and whatnot.

1243
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,320
Um

1244
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,120
» So, this would be for Lincoln cemeteries

1245
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,600
only?

1246
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,600
» Yes.

1247
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,520
» And the the total cost right now is

1248
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,360
what?

1249
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:14,880
» Uh the total cost We raised the funds

1250
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:17,880
for 733 wreaths, the cost would be

1251
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,880
$12,461,

1252
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,120
to which we've raised $1,624.69.

1253
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,280
» When did you get them?

1254
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,280
» Uh I think the beginning of November.

1255
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,800
» November 2020.

1256
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,800
» Or November.

1257
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,160
» I would ask that we

1258
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,160
um look into

1259
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:45,720
what we would raise for this project,

1260
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:48,320
where we would get the money from,

1261
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:50,240
and

1262
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,080
what would your estimate be of of what

1263
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,040
you'd need from the town?

1264
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,480
» I mean, whatever the town would be

1265
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,360
willing to give would be a help.

1266
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,920
» Mhm.

1267
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,560
Okay.

1268
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,560
» At this point, you know, we're

1269
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,720
you know, pretty short

1270
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:09,000
on how much we're trying to collect. Um

1271
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:11,240
you know, and really like this boils

1272
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,840
down to just us four people trying to go

1273
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,200
around and talk to people. Um I This is

1274
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,640
just a side note, but I met the the

1275
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,720
founder's wife of a Wreaths Across

1276
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,280
America just the other evening at Kohl's

1277
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:23,760
in Bangor, uh to which she told me they

1278
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,000
have 52,000 locations across the United

1279
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,040
States. Um you know,

1280
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,120
people like ourselves uh trying to

1281
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,080
uh coordinate this money to to make this

1282
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,440
happen. So, um you know, there are towns

1283
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,080
all across America that are doing this,

1284
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,800
um

1285
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,120
to which our I think ours is just as

1286
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,800
important, our little town of Lincoln.

1287
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,760
Um and uh we it be very much greatly

1288
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,680
appreciated if uh you could all come

1289
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,680
together on this.

1290
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,200
» And it's only Lincoln cemeteries.

1291
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,200
» Yes.

1292
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,400
» Chief, did you Have you set up a

1293
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,680
website? Did they set a website up for

1294
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,840
you?

1295
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,400
» Um,

1296
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,360
I think there is like a I think there is

1297
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,200
a website.

1298
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,680
» You know, if they have it, I'll I'll

1299
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,960
talk to you after and you can set that

1300
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,600
up and Is there any way that we can we

1301
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,320
can spread that word on our social

1302
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
media?

1303
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,760
» Mhm.

1304
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:22,160
» There is a website. There's a link, I

1305
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,280
believe. Somebody sent it to me.

1306
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,160
Um,

1307
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:28,240
because I actually went in and donated

1308
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,840
towards victory

1309
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:32,600
a couple of weeks ago before I went on

1310
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:36,600
vacation. So, there is a website. I

1311
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:39,960
believe Sean has access to that.

1312
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,640
Um, so we can share it on social media.

1313
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,320
» Can we highlight that on the Lincoln

1314
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,760
page?

1315
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,960
» Yeah, I'll have

1316
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Make sure to John put it put it to the

1317
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,600
top of our page.

1318
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,560
» Mhm.

1319
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,840
» We also have an account set up at the

1320
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,440
Lincoln Federal Credit Union, where you

1321
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,440
Anybody can just go and tell tell them

1322
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,280
that that's what they're donating

1323
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,480
towards, and that can go right into that

1324
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,320
account as well.

1325
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,200
» I don't think anybody Not many people

1326
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,040
know about it. That We need to get the

1327
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,440
word out there.

1328
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,000
» Yeah.

1329
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,640
» So, John,

1330
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,560
» We'll make We'll get the word out. Okay.

1331
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,680
» Thank you. Thank you.

1332
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:14,080
» It's $17.

1333
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,080
» $17 a week. Yes.

1334
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,200
» So,

1335
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,000
maybe not on the 16th, Mr. Manager, but

1336
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,840
in the following meeting,

1337
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,600
» October?

1338
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,360
» Yeah. Could we have a Could we have a

1339
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,240
plan of where we might be able to draw

1340
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,000
some money from?

1341
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:34,080
And

1342
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,960
so, I don't want to add to the budget.

1343
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,600
» Well, it doesn't add, it'll probably go

1344
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,920
to undesignated. I don't know if we have

1345
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,120
a place for that.

1346
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,240
Or main roads or

1347
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,600
I don't think we want to start to draw

1348
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:46,360
that down for that purpose.

1349
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,200
» Well, I'm just looking at options.

1350
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,800
» Mhm.

1351
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,600
» So,

1352
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,120
uh we could do that for October.

1353
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,120
» We could.

1354
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,480
Thank you.

1355
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,280
Any more

1356
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,280
on that Bruce Schouler America?

1357
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,640
Item 16, approve changes of personnel

1358
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,200
policies regarding holidays. Suggested

1359
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,680
motion, move to approve the following

1360
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,960
changes to the town's personnel policies

1361
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:17,120
in regards to the holidays, taking

1362
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,680
effect on January 1, 2026.

1363
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,640
Adding Martin Luther King Day,

1364
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,960
adding Juneteenth, deleting the personal

1365
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,960
day.

1366
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,840
» So moved.

1367
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,840
» Gordon.

1368
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,480
Dan.

1369
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,480
Discussion?

1370
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,680
» Is this a reasonable Are they in the

1371
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,360
contract for the fire department?

1372
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,560
» The only way they're in the contract is

1373
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:52,200
it says, "If the town should adopt one

1374
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:53,680
or both of these holidays, then

1375
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:58,720
they can work with that." But at the

1376
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,720
moment, not in the body of the contract.

1377
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,120
» Any other discussion?

1378
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:10,720
Roll call vote, please.

1379
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,920
» Councilor Summers?

1380
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,960
» Yes.

1381
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,680
» Councilor Harrington?

1382
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,120
» Yes.

1383
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,000
» Councilor Street?

1384
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,120
» Yes.

1385
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,960
» Councilor Clay?

1386
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,640
» Yes.

1387
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,520
» Councilor Trask?

1388
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,880
» Yes.

1389
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,120
» 5-0.

1390
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,320
Item 17, approve change of parade and

1391
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:33,720
fireworks in July 2026.

1392
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:37,840
Suggested motion, move to change the

1393
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:40,960
annual parade and fireworks show during

1394
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:43,600
Loon Fest to Saturday, July 24th

1395
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:46,440
in celebration uh for Saturday, July

1396
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,880
4th, excuse me, 2026

1397
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,400
in celebration of the 250th birthday of

1398
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,560
the United States

1399
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,560
the semi-quincentennial.

1400
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,920
» Is there a second?

1401
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:04,880
» Well, we haven't voted on the motion

1402
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,680
yet. Just a second.

1403
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,200
» I'll move.

1404
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,200
» Sheldon

1405
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,160
Do I have a second?

1406
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,040
Do I have a second?

1407
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,960
Motion dies for lack of a second.

1408
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,680
» I'm for it.

1409
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,680
» Item 18, approve closure. Suggested

1410
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,160
motion, move to approve closing Veterans

1411
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,800
Memorial Square for Halloween

1412
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:44,760
celebrations on October 31st, 2025

1413
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,760
from 2:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.

1414
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,120
Dan

1415
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,760
» Second.

1416
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,760
» Gordon

1417
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,800
Discussion?

1418
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,720
Roll call, please.

1419
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,160
» Councilor Summers

1420
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,200
» Yes.

1421
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,000
» Councilor Harrington

1422
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040
» Yes.

1423
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,720
» Councilor Street

1424
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,760
» Yes.

1425
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,440
» Councilor Clay

1426
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,200
» Yes.

1427
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,200
» Councilor Trout

1428
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,920
» Yes.

1429
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,920
» 5-0

1430
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,520
Item 19, award bid.

1431
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:18,720
Suggested motion, move to award a bid

1432
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:20,520
for a new UTV machine, Bobcat UV34

1433
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,600
for the Cemetery, Parks, and Recreation

1434
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,560
Department to Jordan Equipment in the

1435
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,200
amount of $21,000

1436
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,960
$822.90

1437
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,640
with funding to come from the recreation

1438
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,640
equipment reserve account.

1439
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,240
» So move.

1440
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:40,480
» Second. Gordon.

1441
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,600
» Then, discussion?

1442
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,480
» Mr. Chairman, uh

1443
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,880
is this replacing the one that we have?

1444
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,840
» Yes.

1445
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:51,360
» And how many hours on one that you have?

1446
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,800
» I don't know the exact hour count. Um I

1447
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:57,440
think it's 1,200

1448
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,920
hours. It's a 13, so it's at least 10 to

1449
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,920
12 years old depending on

1450
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,000
like it was bought used or new at the

1451
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,600
time.

1452
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,240
» Now, can we get

1453
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,200
get this down the road for 2 more

1454
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,760
summers?

1455
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,800
» We cannot cuz it is actually currently

1456
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,200
sitting unusable in the garage over at

1457
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,160
public works.

1458
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,360
» Reason being?

1459
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:19,200
» Uh let's see here. Uh blown head gasket,

1460
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,520
um issue with the coolant tank, and a

1461
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,840
water pump.

1462
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,640
Um estimated cost to fix that would just

1463
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:28,720
be um we were told you were better off

1464
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:31,480
replacing the entire engine, which is

1465
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,680
roughly probably in the $4 to $6,000

1466
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,840
range.

1467
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:38,360
» That would be a lot cheaper than 22,000.

1468
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,480
» Yes, but you're also putting money into

1469
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,360
a piece of equipment that is 10 to 12

1470
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:46,480
years old. Do that a couple more times,

1471
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,800
um you're sitting right at the same same

1472
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,600
price on a piece of equipment that is

1473
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,800
used quite a bit.

1474
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,200
» You know, I understand that, Mr.

1475
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,680
Chairman, but

1476
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,800
we need to vote on how we

1477
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,360
spend the town's funds wisely.

1478
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,080
» Uh

1479
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,000
I mean, this piece of machinery, I mean,

1480
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:07,360
if if it was used properly, you should

1481
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,680
be getting 6,000 7,000 hours out of it.

1482
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,480
You know?

1483
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,080
I mean, we just got to stop buying

1484
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,720
equipment that having equipment.

1485
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,960
There's no reason why we can't repair

1486
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,320
this piece of equipment and get it down

1487
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,040
the road 2 or 3 more years.

1488
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,200
» Noted.

1489
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,920
» Yeah.

1490
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,520
» I don't I'm with you the rest of the

1491
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,920
people on this part of the everything

1492
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,920
that you said.

1493
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,720
» Seems to be in relatively decent shape.

1494
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,680
I can't say for anything else in the

1495
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,680
motor itself.

1496
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,520
» So I mean having, you know, that

1497
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,520
information

1498
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,440
you could find it a difficult for them

1499
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,640
to

1500
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,600
come up with replacement parts at all.

1501
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,040
And what is what is the

1502
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,120
the history of new repairs and stuff on

1503
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:54,400
that particular piece

1504
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:57,240
» Um mostly just general maintenance for

1505
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,360
the most part over the course of it. Um

1506
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,560
it has been mentioned in the budget to

1507
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,360
be replaced in the next year or so.

1508
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,640
So it's not something that is

1509
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,000
just recently popped up. It's been

1510
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,720
something I've been planning for for the

1511
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,680
last couple years as well.

1512
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:13,080
» And how long would if we were to go with

1513
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:15,720
rebuilding the engine for 6,000

1514
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:18,000
um versus picking it out of a reserve

1515
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,000
account, what's the turnaround time to

1516
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,360
get that

1517
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,840
on the on the origin

1518
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,240
for you?

1519
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:27,200
» Um I'd have to have to run it back down

1520
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,920
to Jordan Equipment.

1521
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,840
I would have to find out exactly

1522
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,680
turnaround time on getting

1523
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,000
whether it was just replacing the part

1524
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,120
itself or if we were replacing the

1525
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,160
entire engine. That's would be probably

1526
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,920
two different answers to that question

1527
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,480
depending on which way

1528
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,240
we decided to go.

1529
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,760
» When do you expect to stop using it for

1530
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,480
the season?

1531
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,080
» Um

1532
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,920
» If you were to If you were to get a new

1533
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,040
one

1534
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:54,800
» It would uh probably middle of October,

1535
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:57,120
middle to end of October depending on

1536
01:02:54,800 --> 01:03:00,040
the type of fall we have. If it's a warm

1537
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:03,880
fall and we're still doing burials um

1538
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:05,480
into October, November or late October,

1539
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,200
you know, early mid-November it'd be

1540
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,400
then, but if it's a

1541
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,840
generally cold fall and the

1542
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,000
ground freezes earlier then it would be

1543
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,400
probably more maybe beginning of

1544
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,200
October. I don't know for sure.

1545
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,720
» What are you using right now to

1546
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,520
substitute?

1547
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,720
So we've had uh uh

1548
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,600
We rented the dump body trailer from

1549
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,640
Tibbetts the time that we've needed to

1550
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,080
use it.

1551
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,080
Um

1552
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,400
Other than that we with the high school

1553
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,680
kids going back to school um

1554
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:39,040
other things that we use it for um it's

1555
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,040
mostly just burials at this time.

1556
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,640
» So

1557
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,080
So right now the machine is disabled,

1558
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,520
correct?

1559
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,640
» Yes.

1560
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,760
» And what are we using to dig with?

1561
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,320
» Uh we dig with a John Deere tractor.

1562
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,800
» Okay.

1563
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:56,360
» The Bobcat we use to load the dirt from

1564
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,720
the hole to the back and then

1565
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,120
» Back again when when the hole gets

1566
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,720
filled in.

1567
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,720
» Okay.

1568
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,000
So we're using a dump body. How much are

1569
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,120
we paying for rent for that?

1570
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,520
» That was $75

1571
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,840
the one time we used it.

1572
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,080
» Okay. So we only use it once.

1573
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,320
» Only once so far, yes.

1574
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,320
» So

1575
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,600
I'd like to see if we could get pricing

1576
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,240
on what it would cost for the new

1577
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,640
engine.

1578
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,360
» Okay.

1579
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,800
» Uh what the time delay would be.

1580
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,680
» Okay.

1581
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:22,280
» Uh how much it's costing us to work as

1582
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,520
we're working right now versus can could

1583
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,560
we wait

1584
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,000
and spend 6,000 versus 22,000?

1585
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,560
» Okay.

1586
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,360
» Because if that goes upside down in 2

1587
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,800
years, we're going to have more in the

1588
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,680
reserve account to buy a brand new one.

1589
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,200
» Correct.

1590
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,800
Correct.

1591
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,400
» This one this one is brand new, too.

1592
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,520
» The one that's out of service is brand

1593
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,480
new?

1594
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,440
» Oh no. Oh no. Sorry.

1595
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,840
» I was going to say.

1596
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,960
» The one that was fitted inside.

1597
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,040
» Okay.

1598
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,240
» Uh

1599
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,400
just uh

1600
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,520
we're too um we did have a bid that came

1601
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,600
in

1602
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,520
after the deadline that was actually the

1603
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,880
cheapest one.

1604
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:53,640
» Mhm.

1605
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,000
» Uh

1606
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,640
out of all of them.

1607
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,720
Um

1608
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,360
that fit our needs.

1609
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,680
» It doesn't appear right now and I'm I'm

1610
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,480
not voting for everybody else, but it

1611
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,320
doesn't appear right now that that we'd

1612
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,120
like a little more research going into

1613
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:08,560
this before we can sit and spend that

1614
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,560
$22,000. So

1615
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,120
I know about the renting of the dump

1616
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,520
body. I I understand that.

1617
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,120
Um

1618
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,200
And this is the I guess a question more

1619
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,400
for uh Dennis.

1620
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,120
Is there anything that we could do to

1621
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,160
maybe assist them in the meantime if it

1622
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,960
if it comes out to that?

1623
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,920
» We would assist in any way that Britain

1624
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,040
needs

1625
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,360
to assist. But I would like to add one

1626
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,280
thing just for discussion purposes. And

1627
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,840
then the mechanic that looked at this uh

1628
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:37,040
machine did advise us to not put any

1629
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,280
money into that engine simply because

1630
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,360
it's not one generation it would be two

1631
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,600
generations to remove it from what is

1632
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,440
currently owned.

1633
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,160
» And is that because of replacement parts

1634
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,960
or

1635
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,320
» Replacement parts are also aged and they

1636
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,520
This is um

1637
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,520
you can say it's 12 years old.

1638
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,440
» Is this a gas or diesel?

1639
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,080
» I believe it's diesel.

1640
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,920
» It was a diesel, Dennis?

1641
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,520
» Also, Clay, did you have something you

1642
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,520
wanted to say?

1643
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,240
» No.

1644
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,240
» Okay.

1645
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,680
Uh

1646
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,680
roll call.

1647
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,600
» Councilor Summers?

1648
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:21,760
» Uh this going to be no for right now.

1649
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,200
» Councilor Harrington?

1650
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,240
» No. Down.

1651
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,080
» Councilor Street?

1652
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,080
» No.

1653
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,760
» Councilor Clay?

1654
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,560
» No.

1655
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,880
» Councilor Trask?

1656
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,880
» No.

1657
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,680
So if we could do a little more research

1658
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,200
and see what we could do with that and

1659
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,600
if it comes out that we buy the new one,

1660
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,640
we buy the new one, but if we can save

1661
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,040
some money

1662
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,560
we just had the

1663
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,200
uh road mill rate go up another $2.

1664
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,920
» That's good.

1665
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,360
» And is that something that we can get on

1666
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,600
the October, you think?

1667
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,680
» October but October would be okay?

1668
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,040
On the October and on the October

1669
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,920
meeting, please.

1670
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,680
» Okay.

1671
01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:01,280
» Item 20, suggested motion move to award

1672
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:03,960
a bid for a Case 580SNWT

1673
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:07,440
loader backhoe to Beauregard Equipment

1674
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:09,200
in the amount of $141,300

1675
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,960
with funding to come from the capital

1676
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:14,240
account 0435

1677
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,040
public works equipment.

1678
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,280
So moved. Dan?

1679
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,280
» Second.

1680
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,640
» Gordon?

1681
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,960
Discussion?

1682
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,640
» Mr. Chairman, I was looking at the bid

1683
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,040
proposals.

1684
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:31,360
Uh what are we trading in

1685
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,560
if we go ahead and do this? Yeah, we're

1686
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,160
trading in the one at the

1687
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,720
transfer station? Are we trading

1688
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,880
» The thousand

1689
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,240
» We're trading the one at the transfer

1690
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,640
station.

1691
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:44,240
» Okay.

1692
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,560
Now, can we get by the winter and and

1693
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,400
have this added to the budget

1694
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,200
next spring?

1695
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,280
» It is my opinion that we we wouldn't

1696
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,680
make it through. That that loader at the

1697
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,520
transfer station is ailing. It limps

1698
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,080
around at best.

1699
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,880
» So the main reason why we'd be trading

1700
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,880
it is to get

1701
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,240
give the one that you have now to them

1702
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,600
and then you're having a new one.

1703
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,400
» Historically, that's the way we've done

1704
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,640
it.

1705
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,520
» How many hours is on the one that

1706
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:15,560
you have right now?

1707
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:15,560
» Uh it's 2,700 or so.

1708
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:25,200
» Now, to get that through the winter, Mr.

1709
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,000
Chairman,

1710
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,720
uh

1711
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,440
I'm kind of wondering how much it would

1712
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,400
cost to limp this one along. I mean,

1713
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:35,160
we've been limping it along for the last

1714
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,600
several years.

1715
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,400
You know.

1716
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,400
» It's going to very soon, if it's not

1717
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,600
already, become a safety hazard. The cab

1718
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,839
is rotting off of the machine.

1719
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,920
Um it gets a flat tire about once a

1720
01:08:44,839 --> 01:08:48,520
week.

1721
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,200
The tires cost $800 to get them filled

1722
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:53,560
solid and I'm not I'm not allowed to

1723
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,560
spend that money on that machine.

1724
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,759
» I've seen the I've seen the condition of

1725
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,279
that machine.

1726
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:02,600
» That machine was worn out when they gave

1727
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:03,920
it to the transfer station.

1728
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,600
» I'm going to

1729
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,279
So, we have this in the

1730
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,040
» This is a budgeted item. It is. So, I

1731
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:12,279
think we should do that if it's in the

1732
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,279
» Motion.

1733
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,200
» Mr. Floyd.

1734
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:22,560
» I I would just like to make sure that

1735
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:24,480
moving forward, this equipment that

1736
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,960
we're replacing that

1737
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:28,680
you know, the one that was given to the

1738
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,680
transfer station, to me if that if that

1739
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,480
was

1740
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,080
maintained and washed, that's why we

1741
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:36,040
hire a mechanic

1742
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,799
to do just that. So,

1743
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,000
um we got to make sure that we're

1744
01:09:37,799 --> 01:09:42,319
utilizing this equipment. I mean, just

1745
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,440
because it's 4 or 5 years old with 2,000

1746
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,440
hours,

1747
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:48,480
you know, that's low hours. There's no

1748
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:49,759
reason why we can't get 10, 12, 15 years

1749
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,240
out of a new piece of equipment if it's

1750
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:54,240
maintained properly.

1751
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,600
» This machine is 19 years old.

1752
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,040
The one at the transfer station we're

1753
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,440
trading in is 19 years old.

1754
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,040
» No, I I understand that.

1755
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,520
But, now

1756
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,080
» You you just raised a point there. I

1757
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,200
mean, I've seen it.

1758
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,880
I see that every time that we're using

1759
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,080
the dump there and uh

1760
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,960
it's getting to the point where it's

1761
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,840
become a safety hazard.

1762
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,040
Um and I I believe it is after what I've

1763
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,880
seen.

1764
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,880
Um

1765
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,960
So, uh that's that's my thoughts on

1766
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,960
that.

1767
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,360
» Now, structurally, how's the one that

1768
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,280
you have you have right now?

1769
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,360
» Much much better and it's been better

1770
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,360
taken care of.

1771
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,720
» And it's washed off the salt. So, don't

1772
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,200
lay on the fenders and corrode.

1773
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,240
» Okay.

1774
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,240
» What are we going to do with the old

1775
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,960
one?

1776
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,120
» Well, we're trading it in and then the

1777
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,800
public works goes down to the transfer

1778
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,120
station.

1779
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,440
» Okay.

1780
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,480
» And it'll live out I mean, it'll serve

1781
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:44,400
us another 8 or 10 years down the road.

1782
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,600
As the the one

1783
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,240
currently at the transfer station.

1784
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,720
» Put that one down

1785
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,880
» I did. It's 19 years old.

1786
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,320
» It is.

1787
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,760
I did have in my monthly report, I

1788
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,440
believe it was last month that we've

1789
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,360
developed an undercarriage sprayer. Um

1790
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,040
there were some pictures of it. Um mean,

1791
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,120
it has this equipment much cleaner on

1792
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,120
the underside.

1793
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,520
Thank you, Dennis. Anything else, Mr.

1794
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,560
Hamilton?

1795
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,440
» Well, I

1796
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,920
you know, I do know that a few years

1797
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:13,000
back we agreed to take the fire

1798
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,400
department down Cajun who washed all

1799
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,320
this equipment off under the high

1800
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,200
pressure.

1801
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,560
» I don't remember that, but okay.

1802
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,680
» I mean, that's what we should be doing

1803
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,880
is making sure that it is properly

1804
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,120
washed off in the proper manner. I mean,

1805
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,720
it's no different than the cash

1806
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,080
register.

1807
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:31,640
» We just played at government all that

1808
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,120
road and this rocks the road, so

1809
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,400
» I can tell you the police department did

1810
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:38,600
that when that is when that is had that.

1811
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:40,000
We all we brought every cruiser, put it

1812
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,840
Anytime they did it, we washed

1813
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,720
» So, we have an undercarriage washer down

1814
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,720
there now. We do.

1815
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,960
Okay.

1816
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,480
And roll call, please.

1817
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,920
» Councilor Summers?

1818
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,080
» Yes.

1819
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,920
» Councilor Harrington?

1820
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,840
» Yes.

1821
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,520
» Councilor Street?

1822
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,520
» Yes.

1823
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,120
» Councilor Clay?

1824
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,960
» Yes.

1825
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,520
» Councilor Trask?

1826
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,640
» Yes.

1827
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:09,240
» 5-0.

1828
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,680
Item 21 of eight property taxes, move to

1829
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:14,520
abate Waterfront Event Center business

1830
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:17,440
equipment taxes account number 264 in

1831
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,240
the amount of $98.31

1832
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,960
for 2023,

1833
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,760
$86.02

1834
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,960
for 2024,

1835
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,960
and 101.20

1836
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,880
$101.20

1837
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,880
for FY 2025.

1838
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,440
Summers?

1839
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,440
Gordon?

1840
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:44,480
Second. Dan?

1841
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,480
Discussion?

1842
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,240
Roll call.

1843
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,280
» Councillor Summers?

1844
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,440
» Yes.

1845
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,280
» Councillor Harrington?

1846
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,240
» Yes.

1847
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,080
» Councillor Street?

1848
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,120
» Yes.

1849
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,800
» Councillor Clay?

1850
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,560
» Yes.

1851
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,000
» Councillor Trax?

1852
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,160
» Yes.

1853
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,520
» 5-0.

1854
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,280
Item 22, authorize town manager.

1855
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,480
Suggested motion moved to authorize the

1856
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:15,000
town manager to sign a municipal quick

1857
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:18,440
claim release deed on behalf of Blaine

1858
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,440
King as attached.

1859
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,360
So moved. Dan?

1860
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,400
» Second.

1861
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:29,080
» Gordon?

1862
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,080
Discussion?

1863
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,240
Yes, sir.

1864
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,720
» Yeah, do you have any questions?

1865
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,680
» But, I don't know who you are.

1866
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,600
» Is Donald Sanborn. I'm the engineer

1867
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,560
that's done a lot of

1868
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,040
I've also spent 50 years up in this

1869
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,720
area.

1870
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,080
» Okay.

1871
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,360
» But

1872
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,760
» I just didn't know who you were.

1873
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,400
» I haven't been here for the last eight,

1874
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,400
so I can give you

1875
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,320
» Any questions for Mr. Sanborn?

1876
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,040
I guess not.

1877
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,120
Thank you.

1878
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,480
» If you're all set, the I assume you know

1879
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,920
all the piece of property we're talking

1880
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:08,240
about.

1881
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,240
The uh

1882
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,560
» Roll call.

1883
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,840
» Councillor Summers?

1884
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,800
» Yes.

1885
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,560
» Councillor Harrington?

1886
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,400
» Yes.

1887
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,120
» Councillor Street?

1888
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,040
» Yes.

1889
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,760
» Councillor Clay?

1890
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,440
» Yes.

1891
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,600
» Councillor Trax?

1892
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:24,000
» Yes.

1893
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:26,560
» 5-0.

1894
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Item 23, award bid.

1895
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Move to award the bid for operations of

1896
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:36,080
the ACM asbestos containment management

1897
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:38,040
area to SAG Realty LLC.

1898
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,520
» So moved.

1899
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,520
» Dan?

1900
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:44,480
» I second.

1901
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,560
» Gordon?

1902
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,480
Discussion? Mr. Levesque?

1903
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,480
» Uh good evening.

1904
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:50,000
» Good evening.

1905
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,520
» Um so it's the

1906
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,680
» Give you a little explanation. So, as

1907
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:58,560
you may recall, we were able to secure

1908
01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:01,240
um a permit from DEP to be able to

1909
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:04,280
take the asbestos that as part of the

1910
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:06,960
demolition uh from buildings on the mill

1911
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,840
site and rather than shipping them off

1912
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,640
to other other landfills and paying

1913
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:14,000
those transportation and disposal costs,

1914
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,560
we have a permit actually manage them

1915
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,400
right on the site.

1916
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:20,280
So, a couple months ago, you actually

1917
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:22,200
approved a contract to prepare the site.

1918
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,840
It's all ready to go and now the second

1919
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:27,840
one is really for a company to operate

1920
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,920
to operate that. What will happen as

1921
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,400
buildings are coming down and we have

1922
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,120
some coming down now, uh they'll put the

1923
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:37,320
asbestos materials in containers, bring

1924
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:39,400
it over to the site, and then the

1925
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,800
operator will actually take that, put it

1926
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,200
in the site, and cover it under the

1927
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,640
permit requirements.

1928
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,280
» Mhm.

1929
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,720
» So, that's what we're looking at here

1930
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:49,320
and and the cost savings is about 10 to

1931
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,840
12 million dollars.

1932
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,960
» Perfect.

1933
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:55,200
» Um by saving money there for for the

1934
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:57,720
town by having it done on site. Um so,

1935
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,880
we did get one uh we did get only one

1936
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,560
bid from Sag Realty, which is the

1937
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:04,400
Gardner the Gardner Group. Um obviously,

1938
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,760
they have to be trained on man handling

1939
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,520
and managing asbestos. We have our

1940
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,720
engineering company um environmental

1941
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,360
engineers um CDM Mahar that will

1942
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,480
actually coordinate this because you

1943
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:17,120
have buildings coming down at different

1944
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:18,720
times. It's a unique contract because

1945
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,560
we're going to be looking at demolition

1946
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,840
of buildings probably for the next 10

1947
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,400
years.

1948
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,440
So, there may be a building here,

1949
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,760
building there as we get grants and then

1950
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:29,560
so, this company will then come in as as

1951
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:33,040
this asbestos material is ready to be

1952
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:35,280
put into the into the site. Um the LLIC

1953
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,480
reviewed this today and is recommending

1954
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,800
approval.

1955
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:39,520
» Thank you.

1956
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:42,600
» Questions for Mr. Leveille.

1957
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:45,680
» Um for the just how deep is this going

1958
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,440
to be and what goes over the top of it?

1959
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:50,040
» It's probably 30 or 40 ft deep. It's

1960
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,600
already in a depression now.

1961
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,880
Um and it's something prepared so

1962
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:57,200
there's a liner uh a clay liner there.

1963
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,920
It was a former disposal area that the

1964
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,560
uh the mill the Lincoln Pulp and Tissue

1965
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,960
Mill had. So it's it's been approved by

1966
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,520
DEP.

1967
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,840
Um so we that's really how and and it'll

1968
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,640
be covered by inert materials. So we're

1969
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,800
looking at dirt, sand, sawdust.

1970
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,680
Uh maybe we're if we can get DEP to

1971
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,400
approve it some of the sludge that we're

1972
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:19,640
we're removing from the uh the old

1973
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,320
lagoon can be mixed with the sawdust and

1974
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,480
used as a cover.

1975
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,840
» To maximize.

1976
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,920
» And then?

1977
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,160
Garden?

1978
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,000
» No, actually well, I mean we're actually

1979
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,480
it could be a site for different things.

1980
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,440
I mean obviously you don't want a lot of

1981
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:35,640
foot traffic on it. But it may be a

1982
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,440
potential site for future solar farm or

1983
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,800
something like that.

1984
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:38,800
» There you go.

1985
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:44,120
» Any more questions?

1986
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:44,120
Roll call.

1987
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,560
» Councilor Samarge.

1988
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,600
» Yes.

1989
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,360
» Councilor Harrington.

1990
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,200
» Yes.

1991
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,800
» Councilor Street.

1992
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,800
» Yes.

1993
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,200
» Councilor Clay.

1994
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,920
» Yes.

1995
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,520
» Councilor Trahan.

1996
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,440
» Yes.

1997
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,560
» And I just add I forgot to mention this

1998
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:04,000
comes from a grant from

1999
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,880
uh D E C D.

2000
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,880
» Thank you very much.

2001
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,400
» Yeah.

2002
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,760
» Item 24 award bid.

2003
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,040
Move to award the bid for the cap on

2004
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,640
containments at the Biopine Development

2005
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:20,400
Northeast site to Allstate

2006
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,400
in the amount of $125,392.

2007
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,720
Funding to come from the D E C D grant.

2008
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,360
» So moved.

2009
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,120
» Dan.

2010
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,680
» Second.

2011
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,600
» Gordon.

2012
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,680
Discussion.

2013
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,320
» Is this the glad that you were just

2014
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,320
talking about?

2015
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,840
» No, this is another one.

2016
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,960
» Another one?

2017
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:34,960
» Yeah.

2018
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,720
» No more discussion. Roll call.

2019
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,800
» Councilor Summers?

2020
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,760
» Yes.

2021
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,320
» Councilor Handspiker?

2022
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,080
» Yes.

2023
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,680
» Councilor Street?

2024
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,480
» Yes.

2025
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,480
» Councilor Clay?

2026
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,520
» I don't think he heard you.

2027
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,520
» Councilor Clay?

2028
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,600
» Yes.

2029
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:13,000
» Hold it just a second. I think he's

2030
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,760
Here we go. Councilor Clay?

2031
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,760
» Councilor Clay?

2032
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,960
» We can't hear you, Steve.

2033
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,480
» Yes. Sorry.

2034
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,280
» We got you now.

2035
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,800
» Councilor Shaw?

2036
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,120
» Yes.

2037
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,840
» 5-0.

2038
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,840
Thank you.

2039
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,440
Suggested motion moved to retire into

2040
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:38,920
executive session pursuant to Title 1

2041
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:40,120
MRSA Section 405 6A personnel.

2042
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,640
» So moved.

2043
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,640
» Dan?

2044
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,360
» Second.

2045
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,360
» Gordon?

2046
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,920
Discussion?

2047
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,520
» Does there

2048
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,760
pursuant to that

2049
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,560
thing, do we need to specify in more

2050
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,880
detail?

2051
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,600
» No. Personnel.

2052
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,840
» Just straight personnel. Okay. All

2053
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,640
right.

2054
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:03,840
» Any more questions? Mr. Manager?

2055
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,400
» Uh that citation for personnel has

2056
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,920
followed us for many months across this

2057
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:11,640
agenda. It is not accurate tonight. This

2058
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,520
is discussion with the town attorney.

2059
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,840
» Okay.

2060
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,040
» Discussion for

2061
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,800
» Town attorney.

2062
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,280
» Town attorney.

2063
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:20,400
» Yeah.

2064
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:22,120
» Okay, let me rephrase that.

2065
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,200
Thank you for giving that to me in

2066
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,040
timely fashion.

2067
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:31,040
Move to retire into executive session

2068
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:34,080
pursuant to Title 1 MRSA Section 405 6A

2069
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,080
town attorney.

2070
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,520
» So, moved. okay.

2071
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,920
» And again

2072
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,920
second Gordon second.

2073
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,480
Roll call.

2074
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,280
» Councilor Summers?

2075
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,240
» Yes.

2076
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,680
» Councilor Harrington?

2077
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:47,720
» Yes.

2078
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,440
» Councilor Street?

2079
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,400
» Yes.

2080
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:50,920
» Councilor Clay?

2081
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,720
» Yes.

2082
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,120
» Councilor Trax?

2083
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,360
» Yes.

2084
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:58,320
5-0.

2085
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,320
Thank you for coming.

2086
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:12,880
» Are you going to need me after this

2087
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,880
executive session, or can I log out?

2088
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,360
» I'd like to have you listen to it.

2089
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,480
» What's that?

2090
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,880
» Uh Rick said he would like to have you

2091
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:28,640
listen to it.

2092
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,760
» I would tell you to listen to the

2093
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,160
executive session. I don't think there's

2094
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,680
a need to.

2095
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,480
» What did I not say? I want you to listen

2096
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,360
to what I said.

2097
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:35,360
» Okay, I can.

2098
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,520
» Now John's trying to say something.

2099
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,080
» Did you tell Steve?

2100
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,440
» Yeah, I told Steve uh what Rick said.

2101
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,440
» Okay.

2102
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,880
» Yeah, so it's just

2103
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,320
Steve and uh

2104
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,880
town attorney.

2105
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,000
» So, and I'm just about to stop the

2106
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,720
recording too, so

2107
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,960
» Wait.

2108
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,080
» We're going to save meeting just for

2109
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,080
you.

2110
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,840
» I did.

2111
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,560
Yeah, I'm telling you about it at

2112
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,080
another

2113
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,240
time.

2114
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,240
» I'm going to come to the staff.