[1:59] Mhm.
[5:23] » Call the meeting to order. The first
[5:24] order of business will be the pledge of
[5:26] allegiance.
[5:29] Let's pledge allegiance.
[5:30] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[5:32] United States of America.
[5:33] And to the republic for which it stands,
[5:36] one nation
[5:37] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[5:40] justice
[5:41] for all.
[5:49] » Item number two, approval of minutes
[5:51] from the special and regular meetings on
[5:53] August 11th, 2025.
[5:55] If no objections are registered, the
[5:56] council chair shall approve the same as
[5:58] written.
[6:05] Item number three, approval of warrants.
[6:07] Suggested motion to approve and sign
[6:09] warrants 17 through 25 in the amount of
[6:12] 661,000
[6:14] $779.08.
[6:18] So moved.
[6:23] Gordon and Dan.
[6:26] Discussion.
[6:28] All in favor.
[6:30] Oh, I have to do roll call. Sorry.
[6:32] I'm sorry.
[6:34] Uh, could you do roll call?
[6:36] » Somers.
[6:37] » Yes.
[6:38] » Harrington.
[6:39] » Yes.
[6:39] » Street.
[6:40] » Yes.
[6:41] » Clay.
[6:42] » Yes.
[6:42] » Yes.
[6:43] » Trask.
[6:44] » Yes.
[6:48] » That's a 5-0.
[6:51] » Item number four, suggested motion to
[6:53] approve and accept the following gifts,
[6:55] donations, and grants in the amount of
[6:56] $140 from Lucille Moore.
[6:59] An Eastland Moore donation in Nancy
[7:02] Christenson's name, $50 to the library.
[7:05] Kathy Morrison, donation in Barbara
[7:08] Healer's name, $50 to the library. And
[7:11] Mary B. Wilbur, donation in Marilyn
[7:14] Murphy's name, $40 to the library.
[7:20] Dan.
[7:21] » Second.
[7:22] » Gordon.
[7:27] Roll call.
[7:28] » Councilor Somers.
[7:29] » Yes.
[7:30] » Harrington.
[7:31] » Yes.
[7:31] » Street.
[7:32] » Yes.
[7:33] » Clay.
[7:34] » Yes.
[7:35] » Trask.
[7:36] » Yes.
[7:38] » 5-0.
[7:41] » Chairman and town comments.
[7:44] Um, we're going to take up the domestic
[7:46] violence proclamation
[7:48] on the 16th.
[7:49] Assuming that is Assuming that we go
[7:51] that way.
[7:52] And
[7:57] Absolutely. Motion to suspend the rules.
[8:03] Right after this.
[8:05] Okay.
[8:06] Uh
[8:09] Give me a minute, a second.
[8:10] » Second.
[8:10] » No, we're going to suspend the rules
[8:11] right after this.
[8:12] » Okay. Okay. All right.
[8:14] » I want to congratulate the economic
[8:16] development team for right now we've uh
[8:19] received a total amount of grants for
[8:21] Steve Levesque, Ruth Barrett, and the
[8:23] whole team of 17 million $484,200
[8:29] uh $484,250.
[8:33] Um, and there's more to come for the
[8:36] cleanup of the mill site. So, thank you
[8:37] very much. I appreciate it.
[8:40] Uh
[8:43] If you'd like to suspend the rules.
[8:45] » Yes.
[8:48] » Motion to suspend the rules. Do I have a
[8:49] second?
[8:50] » Second.
[8:52] » Wooden.
[8:55] Discussion.
[8:56] Roll call.
[8:58] » Davis and Clark.
[9:04] Councilor Summers.
[9:05] » Yes.
[9:07] » Councilor McCarthy. Oops, sorry.
[9:08] Harrington.
[9:09] » Yes.
[9:10] » Street.
[9:10] » Yes. Yes.
[9:12] » Uh Clay.
[9:13] » Yes.
[9:15] » Cross.
[9:15] » Yes.
[9:19] » Uh yeah, I'd like to uh
[9:21] have been uh the workshop scheduled
[9:23] uh for September 15th.
[9:26] I'd like to have that canceled and
[9:27] replace that uh with a special town
[9:30] council meeting on September 16th
[9:33] at uh 6:00 p.m.
[9:38] » Do I have a second?
[9:40] Second.
[9:45] Discussion?
[9:48] » Um, what's the purpose?
[9:53] » The purpose is moving to a special town
[9:56] council meeting where the same items are
[9:58] going to be taken up, only there's going
[9:59] to be more items.
[10:01] So, and we'll be voting in that
[10:04] in that meeting. So, we don't vote at a
[10:05] workshop.
[10:06] » Right. I'm just trying You said
[10:08] additional, what are the additional
[10:10] things?
[10:11] » I don't know what the additional things
[10:13] are, Mr. Town Manager.
[10:15] » We will have a number of things on that
[10:17] agenda,
[10:18] uh,
[10:19] including lake levels, potential dam
[10:22] repairs,
[10:24] uh,
[10:25] I don't have a list in front of me, but
[10:27] we'll have a number of things, some of
[10:28] which you should be voting.
[10:32] » Okay, thank you.
[10:33] Any more discussion?
[10:36] Roll call.
[10:39] » Councillor Summers?
[10:40] » Yes.
[10:41] » Harrington?
[10:42] » Yes.
[10:43] » Street?
[10:43] » Yes.
[10:44] » Clay?
[10:45] » Yes.
[10:46] » Frates?
[10:47] » Yes.
[10:51] » Mr. Manager, I didn't get your comments
[10:53] when we were on
[10:53] » Well, you did skip by that.
[10:55] » I did, I only
[10:56] » Dennis was appointed for that.
[10:57] » Yeah, but I I don't know what
[10:59] I'm going to say. Great to say,
[11:01] uh, I will thank you for the fact that I
[11:03] just had my annual vacation. I enjoyed
[11:05] not being here, and I will say that
[11:07] Dennis Boland, who filled in for me, uh,
[11:10] he did that a couple of years ago, and
[11:12] uh, absolutely nothing happened during
[11:14] the time he was being the acting town
[11:16] manager. These last two weeks were very
[11:18] different than that. Many things came
[11:20] up, but Dennis handled them well, and
[11:23] and uh, I I thank him, and I thank you.
[11:26] » Congratulations, Dennis. Good job.
[11:31] Planning board report.
[11:36] » There is no planning board report which
[11:37] has been handed in to the town office
[11:41] » Thank you.
[11:44] Item number seven, monthly reports.
[11:46] Anything on monthly reports for the
[11:48] council?
[11:52] » Mr. Chairman, I have a couple questions
[11:54] but I'll hit some of them when the
[11:55] council gets back with me.
[11:57] » Okay.
[12:00] » One thing that I'll let I ask about is
[12:01] do you know for sure what
[12:03] in the last four months how many dollars
[12:06] have been brought
[12:08] brought in
[12:09] by
[12:10] the assessment of the
[12:12] of the of the bad properties, not the
[12:14] bad properties but the properties that
[12:15] wasn't set properly and also properties
[12:18] that wasn't ever assessed.
[12:20] » We We do have that on the new billing.
[12:24] » Uh Mr. Chairman, so my monthly report
[12:27] wasn't in the uh agenda. I had a death
[12:29] in the family. Uh we do know about the
[12:31] sign.
[12:32] Uh there was um we thought we could get
[12:34] it fixed by a local company. Turns out
[12:36] we couldn't. Uh company from Lewiston
[12:38] came up and it has been sent out to be
[12:41] fixed and it should be fixed soon.
[12:44] So.
[12:50] » Anything else on monthly reports?
[12:54] Item number eight, open forum.
[12:56] Council will allow Lincoln residents and
[12:58] all Lincoln taxpayers to comment prior
[13:00] to council action on agenda items. Open
[13:03] forum questions should be forwarded to
[13:05] the town office by mail or email to the
[13:07] town clerk, Anne Morrison
[13:09] at questions@lincolnmaine.org.
[13:12] Please have your questions comments in
[13:13] by 5:00 p.m. the day of the meeting.
[13:15] If you have any questions
[13:17] please call 794-3372.
[13:20] General requests may be made in open
[13:22] forum during a regular meeting but will
[13:25] not be acted upon in the same meeting.
[13:27] Individuals wishing to be heard by the
[13:29] council will be recognized by the
[13:31] council chair. After identifying
[13:33] themselves, the speaker may make brief
[13:36] comments and may not repeat previous
[13:38] statements made.
[13:40] The speaker must limit themselves to the
[13:43] item under discussion. The speaker must
[13:46] observe rules of common etiquette. The
[13:48] council chair may set a time limit on
[13:50] the length of public comment and or time
[13:53] limit for individual speakers.
[13:55] The council chair reserves the right to
[13:57] stop any public comment that is contrary
[14:00] to the rules, and any council may call
[14:03] point of order during the discussion.
[14:05] Any person who disrupts the council
[14:07] meeting may be required to leave in
[14:08] order to maintain orderly consideration
[14:11] of the matters for which the meeting was
[14:13] called.
[14:15] Anyone for open forum?
[14:17] » Mr. Chair, you do have one via Zoom,
[14:20] Jesse Now.
[14:21] » Okay.
[14:23] We can start with that one if you want
[14:24] to. Bring that person up.
[14:29] » Hello, can you hear me?
[14:31] » Yes.
[14:33] » Hi Council, Matthew Wamboldt here. I
[14:35] heard the rules. This is something we've
[14:37] talked about, but I saw on the agenda
[14:39] there hasn't been anything put on about
[14:42] the looking into the relocation of the
[14:44] Gary Gordon statue. So, I just want to
[14:46] pop on and see if that's something that
[14:48] we're still potentially open to looking
[14:50] into the feasibility of relocating that
[14:52] statue, or is that something that other
[14:55] priorities have taken
[14:57] priority over?
[14:59] » Madam Mayor.
[15:01] We have done nothing to really look into
[15:04] that in a serious way. We need to
[15:06] develop
[15:08] dollar amounts what it will cost to move
[15:10] it, and we need to get the family to
[15:12] approve moving it.
[15:14] If that is what we have to
[15:16] Can we assign someone
[15:17] » Perfect. I spoke into that last month I
[15:20] when I made a comment on this, I spoke
[15:22] to the widow, Carmen Gordon, and the she
[15:25] spoke to the family and the artist. They
[15:28] are all on board, and they would like to
[15:29] be involved in this process. Um
[15:32] so, just wanted to follow up with that.
[15:35] Just to stay this at top of mind cuz I
[15:37] think it's an important thing to
[15:39] accomplish for the town.
[15:43] Or at least to look at it.
[15:44] » Have We will have somebody We will have
[15:45] somebody assigned to that.
[15:47] » Yes.
[15:50] » Anyone else?
[15:52] Yes, sir.
[15:55] » Hello everyone. My name is Carl Stengle,
[15:57] and I live on Cross Street.
[15:59] And I want to thank the manager who's
[16:01] doing the underground work on the
[16:03] street. I see it's getting done this
[16:05] week.
[16:06] But, there used to be signs on both ends
[16:08] of Cross Street that said no food
[16:10] trucks.
[16:11] And I feel that if they they don't put
[16:13] those signs back up and somehow try to
[16:16] enforce that, that once they do repair
[16:18] the road, it's just going to get torn up
[16:20] again. So, my question is, can we get
[16:22] signs put back up? And if we do, how do
[16:25] we enforce that? Do we have to give the
[16:27] drivers a couple tickets, and then they
[16:29] go back to their boss and say, "Hey,
[16:30] I've gotten a ticket for cutting through
[16:31] there. What do we do?"
[16:35] » Yes, Dennis. The signs are on order. Let
[16:38] Mr. Stengle speak some.
[16:41] » Also, how do we enforce
[16:42] » Also, it'll be enforced by the police
[16:45] department.
[16:49] » We have an order
[16:50] on them.
[16:52] » Also, police department.
[16:53] » I don't know how to answer that question
[16:55] cuz I But, I've never
[16:57] I've never
[16:58] honestly enforced
[17:00] through truck traffic.
[17:02] I don't know how that would be enforced
[17:03] cuz it's not a It wouldn't be a
[17:06] E-ticket. So, I'll have to look into
[17:07] that and and get back.
[17:09] » I'm sure if they get a few tickets,
[17:10] they'll stop driving through it.
[17:12] » You asked last month about the dam.
[17:15] » Yeah.
[17:15] » We've had someone go and look at the dam
[17:18] and we're looking at doing a Dennis, can
[17:20] you speak to that?
[17:23] » We have had several people out look at
[17:25] the dam. Wait Libby who's the steward
[17:28] steward of the dam,
[17:30] myself and a representative from Allen
[17:32] Engineering.
[17:34] And so I prepared for a presentation of
[17:36] sorts at our workshop tomorrow.
[17:39] » On the 16th?
[17:41] On the 16th.
[17:43] Anyone else?
[17:45] » Anyone else on the phone?
[17:46] » Anyone else on the phone?
[17:48] I assume Blaine King is on your agenda
[17:50] for tonight.
[17:56] 482
[17:59] Anyone else for open open forum?
[18:06] Uh item number nine, the consent agenda.
[18:08] All items will be marked with an
[18:10] asterisk are considered to be routine
[18:13] and will be enacted by one motion.
[18:15] There will be no separate discussion on
[18:17] the items unless a council member so
[18:19] requests, in which
[18:21] the in which event the item will be
[18:24] removed from the consent agenda and
[18:27] considered in its normal sequence on the
[18:29] agenda.
[18:30] Item number 10 will be auto polls to
[18:33] open. Item number 11,
[18:35] direct registrar of voters and item
[18:38] number 12, election of wardens, appoint
[18:42] election wardens.
[18:44] Uh suggested motion, move to approve.
[18:47] The suggested motion for items 10
[18:49] through 12 as presented.
[18:52] » Second.
[18:55] » Second.
[18:56] » Norton.
[18:59] Discussion?
[19:01] Roll call.
[19:03] » Councilor Summers.
[19:04] » Yes.
[19:05] » Councilor Harrington.
[19:07] Councilor Street.
[19:08] » Yes.
[19:09] » Councilor Clay.
[19:10] » Yes.
[19:11] » Councilor Trax.
[19:12] » Yes.
[19:14] » I do.
[19:27] » Item number 13
[19:30] Presentation update from Biofine
[19:32] Developments Northeast Incorporated.
[19:35] 0101
[19:43] » Good evening everyone. Good evening.
[19:44] Good to see you again.
[19:45] » Nice to see you again.
[19:46] » Sorry about doing my back for the
[19:48] awkward stuff. Um so we
[19:51] uh once again brought a brief
[19:53] presentation but as I
[19:55] feel it's a privilege to be able to
[19:56] present to you and talk to you about
[19:58] uh the progress on our project. Uh and
[20:02] and provide some some some updates.
[20:04] » Can you just identify yourself?
[20:09] » I'm Stephen Jones. Jones. I'm the CEO of
[20:11] Biofine Developments Northeast. The the
[20:14] the company that's developing the
[20:17] biofuels project at the at the former
[20:19] naval site.
[20:19] » Thank you.
[20:21] » Um so let's see. If you go to the next
[20:24] slide very briefly I know you've heard
[20:27] all of this before but but for anyone
[20:30] who hasn't just to
[20:31] quickly
[20:33] recap. Uh so Biofine is a
[20:36] green chemicals and biofuels developer
[20:39] and manager. Bio show fuels our own
[20:41] proprietary technology that is the
[20:43] subject of 28 patents worldwide
[20:46] for
[20:47] manufacturing these these proprietary uh
[20:51] compounds and chemicals.
[20:53] Biofine main phase one will make its
[20:56] home here in Lincoln, Maine.
[20:59] We've been working on it with
[21:01] you and and staff
[21:04] for several years now and as you know
[21:06] we're closer.
[21:08] Uh the plant will be a 150 um per day
[21:11] dry ton, 200 green ton processing
[21:13] facility where we'll take 150 tons of uh
[21:18] wood and paper
[21:20] and convert into 4 million gallons of
[21:23] biofuels and then some very valuable
[21:26] chemicals that I'll talk about in a
[21:28] minute. Uh we signed a long-term lease
[21:30] with you that was also extended um
[21:33] just
[21:35] earlier this year. Um
[21:37] our final permit applications were filed
[21:40] in September 2024. I'll give you a quick
[21:42] update on where we are with those.
[21:45] Um we're building the the project under
[21:47] a
[21:49] EPC design-build construction contract.
[21:52] And we have a long-term off-take
[21:53] contract with Spray Resources. Uh we
[21:56] partnered with Fire Rock Chemicals for
[21:58] the balance of the
[22:00] chemical products that we're producing.
[22:02] Um
[22:04] we're relying on the the towards
[22:05] forestry
[22:06] industry side.
[22:09] Our vision in Lincoln includes scaling
[22:12] up 10 times
[22:14] from what we have
[22:17] planned to start later this year.
[22:19] Um
[22:20] we have a 1,500 ton ton per day plant
[22:23] that takes advantage of all of the
[22:25] various site elements and
[22:27] characteristics. Um utilities, rail
[22:29] siding, and all of the work that the 17
[22:33] plus million dollars in grants have have
[22:37] provided for us.
[22:39] Um there's plenty of local feedstock,
[22:41] and we look forward to this continuing
[22:43] partnership with
[22:45] with the city and and staff.
[22:48] Um if you go to the next slide,
[22:50] I have a few slides here to quickly
[22:52] provide some updates from the last time
[22:55] that we
[22:56] talked to you. So, so very often in
[22:58] these projects, permits, certifications,
[23:01] and licenses are the things that hold us
[23:03] up, we are running at or close to
[23:06] schedule
[23:07] on all of these. As I mentioned, our
[23:09] final permit application went in in
[23:12] September of last year.
[23:14] There've been no questions or
[23:15] objections, and so we're waiting two
[23:18] things. Finally, on that, there's a geo
[23:20] tech survey that needs to be done and
[23:21] then another final condition, which
[23:23] include
[23:24] our construction contract finalization
[23:27] and and and and closing on financing.
[23:31] One terrific thing that's happened, and
[23:33] again,
[23:34] with much thanks to um
[23:38] uh
[23:38] Manager Bronson and the city of Warwick,
[23:42] the DEP agreed with us that their
[23:44] chapter 409 waste permit waste
[23:47] processing facility permit did not apply
[23:49] to us. Um when I spoke to you last, that
[23:52] was sort of on the horizon,
[23:54] looming as a potential one-year delay
[23:57] in the project, and and we were thrilled
[24:00] that um you know, that they
[24:02] found their way and in no small part
[24:05] uh due to the help of the good staff.
[24:10] Um
[24:12] Biofine has a intellectual property
[24:14] license. It's sort of behind the curtain
[24:16] for you guys, something you don't
[24:18] probably
[24:19] expect to ever see, but there's a pretty
[24:21] rigorous process for licensing and
[24:24] utilizing the IP of this project.
[24:27] We agreed and executed the
[24:29] license for the for the specific
[24:31] project, so we're pleased about that.
[24:34] Um the final we we have to get ASTM
[24:37] certification for our fuel,
[24:39] and the final balloting on that is due
[24:42] before the year end. First ballot will
[24:45] be in September
[24:47] for ASTM. There's always at least two or
[24:50] three,
[24:51] so we'll have our final one for the year
[24:53] end. Um our designation for our pathway
[24:57] process for RINs with the EPA is in
[25:00] process. This isn't actually something
[25:01] that we um have to have before financial
[25:04] closing and starting construction, but
[25:06] it's something um that we uh decided was
[25:09] interesting to to get started with. So,
[25:12] um you know, that's just um
[25:14] uh for your information.
[25:16] Um another thing that we need to have
[25:18] before
[25:20] uh starting construction is our uh
[25:23] uh carbon dioxide fuel uh pre-assessment
[25:26] from uh one of the exchanges. Uh Pure
[25:29] Earth uh is finalizing that subject to
[25:33] the final results of the tested our bio
[25:36] biochar. Um we have a number of other uh
[25:40] product tests and certifications that
[25:42] are
[25:43] um uh either in hand or in process, uh
[25:45] none of which uh threaten our schedule.
[25:49] Um and lastly, uh we were told that we
[25:51] did not need a permit for handling
[25:52] ethanol um uh on on the basis of the um
[25:57] federal plan. So, that's the story on on
[26:00] permits and certifications. We're happy
[26:02] that that's running uh as I say, on
[26:04] schedule. Um in the next slide, uh we'll
[26:07] talk about uh uh this is our
[26:09] construction contract and construction
[26:11] design contract.
[26:13] Um uh so, that we've concluded EPC uh
[26:17] term sheet negotiations with our
[26:18] contractor, Veolia Water. Um
[26:22] uh
[26:23] the um there is an outstanding
[26:25] discussion going on about uh final
[26:27] price, of course, as you can imagine. Um
[26:29] always kind of the last thing. Um we've
[26:31] made a number of design changes in the
[26:34] course of this uh uh
[26:36] uh re-contracting. If you remember, we
[26:38] had a uh a contract with um that failed,
[26:41] um and we had to re-contract. Um so, we
[26:44] took the opportunity to look through a
[26:45] number of things, what waste water
[26:47] discharge um and the water discharge
[26:50] quality, um which is going to benefit
[26:52] you and us in terms of the size and uh
[26:55] um, the amount of waste we're going to
[26:56] have to treat.
[26:57] Um,
[26:59] uh, we've then increased uh, production
[27:00] capacity marginally,
[27:02] um, added some additional product
[27:04] modules, and um, and made our our our
[27:07] uh, internal site design site agnostic.
[27:10] So, uh, this is it's the design that we
[27:12] can use,
[27:14] um, as we build out in in the subsequent
[27:16] frames. Um, so that's
[27:18] uh, creating some delays for uh,
[27:21] um, um, we're probably putting into
[27:22] first quarter now of of next year. I
[27:25] think I told you uh, year end when uh,
[27:28] when I was last with you.
[27:29] Uh, but um, we think that those uh, the
[27:32] added functionality and the quality of
[27:34] the design package more than offsets the
[27:36] the the delays. Um,
[27:39] there are some increased costs, uh,
[27:41] tariffs for imported goods, and then uh,
[27:44] some of the additional time capabilities
[27:46] are uh, impacting our costs. Um, we have
[27:50] been able to drive some competitive
[27:51] tension from some competing proposals on
[27:54] the construction contracts. Uh, so we
[27:57] feel good about that.
[27:58] Um, and finally in this space we're
[28:01] pushing very hard to optimize and make
[28:03] sure that all of the local construction
[28:05] and engineering trade are are utilized.
[28:08] Um,
[28:09] uh, the our largest uh, and and we've
[28:12] been pretty successful with that.
[28:15] Um,
[28:17] in the next slide we talk about some of
[28:19] the things we've done on products.
[28:21] Um, product it's uh, products this is
[28:24] uh, slide five. Um, product
[28:26] optimization. There we go. Uh, and I'm
[28:29] not going to drive you through all of
[28:30] these, but basically what this slide is
[28:33] supposed to show is the the sort of uh,
[28:36] primary non-fuel products,
[28:38] um, the various permutations of these,
[28:40] and and uh, where we expect to
[28:43] uh, market them. Um, as I mentioned,
[28:47] uh, all of the non-fuel products that
[28:48] we're marketing they being marketed with
[28:50] Carcross Council south of Kansas City.
[28:53] We've got a terrific relationship with
[28:55] them and they they've been
[28:58] they've been very collaborative on
[29:01] on all of these. And finally, we're
[29:03] finalizing the feedstock contracting
[29:07] with
[29:08] three or four of the major forestry
[29:10] groups in the in the region with term
[29:13] sheets in process. We're also
[29:17] looking at some post-process
[29:20] paper residues from the MRC in Hampton.
[29:24] Um, and and that's actually helping that
[29:27] project get get get rolling as well.
[29:31] Um, one of the things that we're trying
[29:32] to do with the US EPA right now is to
[29:37] uh uh
[29:38] is to get the EPA to accept that we can
[29:42] use pulpwood for as our feedstock and
[29:45] that would qualify under the RFS. Um,
[29:49] that's important because right now we're
[29:51] using
[29:52] this tops and tails, pre-commercial
[29:55] thinnings,
[29:56] and you know, slash. Um, but pulpwood is
[30:00] still being dragged back into the woods
[30:02] when when it can't be marketed
[30:04] to forest fire concerns. And so, it's
[30:07] you know, it's it's it's a wasted
[30:09] product. So, we think we'll be
[30:10] successful. It's not it's not critical
[30:12] for us going forward in with the
[30:14] project, but
[30:16] we'd be really happy to see that uh
[30:18] see that be successful.
[30:20] Um, and I just want to say in the next
[30:23] slide one word about
[30:26] actually one more
[30:27] slide. Thank you. This is just a little
[30:30] bit of a word about our development
[30:31] process and timing because
[30:34] as I said, we've been working with you
[30:35] for several years.
[30:37] You probably sit and wonder like what
[30:39] are those guys doing? What's taking them
[30:41] so long? Like, come on already. We
[30:44] This is a development process very
[30:46] iterative process. We We have a number
[30:48] of work streams and I've listed them out
[30:50] here, citing, permitting, engineering,
[30:52] feedstock, teaming and technology,
[30:55] operations and maintenance, and
[30:57] All these have financial implications.
[30:59] All of them have to be documented and
[31:01] contracted. And we need to be able to
[31:04] make sure that the market's going to
[31:05] accept them. So So, this is sort of my
[31:08] attempt at drawing this sort of cycle.
[31:11] I don't I I hesitate to call it a
[31:13] virtuous cycle, but it's a cycle
[31:15] that that leads us through the process.
[31:18] Our model
[31:20] has over 200 independent variable
[31:22] assumptions
[31:23] and 100 different operating
[31:25] calculations. So, you know, every time
[31:27] we change one,
[31:28] we have to go back through and and and
[31:30] and and re-evaluate all the others. So,
[31:33] you know, if you're wondering what we've
[31:35] been doing, that's that's that's that's
[31:37] sort of it.
[31:38] Additionally,
[31:40] what we've been doing in the next slide.
[31:42] And the last slide is
[31:45] just a few new things. We've gone
[31:49] through a little mini rebranding. You'll
[31:51] notice our logo now, instead of saying
[31:53] BDN, it says Biofine North America.
[31:56] Biofine Developments Northeast is kind
[31:59] of a big mouthful.
[32:01] And
[32:02] and kind of makes us the Austin nobody
[32:04] else. So, So,
[32:06] we're doing business as Biofine
[32:09] Biofine Group and Biofine North America
[32:11] now.
[32:12] And that goes hand in hand with the new
[32:14] website that we're putting up. With with
[32:17] the new logos, we'll have a new domain.
[32:19] Um
[32:21] And
[32:23] there will be a you know, a drop-down
[32:25] separate website for the
[32:26] for the project
[32:28] where everybody will be able to go
[32:30] and see you know, how we're coming.
[32:32] Um the second sort of new and noteworthy
[32:35] thing that I wanted to mention is
[32:37] you'll see in the coming days a
[32:41] press release that will issue
[32:43] about an MOU that we've executed with
[32:45] Drax corporate out of the UK. Drax is a
[32:50] 10 billion dollar
[32:52] UK utility
[32:54] that long ago converted their coal-fired
[32:57] power plants to wood pellets.
[32:59] And they source most of those wood
[33:01] pellets in the US. So the MOU that we've
[33:04] signed with them is
[33:06] is an MOU to
[33:09] look for design innovation and and cost
[33:11] sharing opportunities,
[33:14] new product development. They would like
[33:16] to use our char to
[33:18] increase the heating value of their
[33:20] their pellets, which
[33:22] you know, have at it. We love that. And
[33:26] and then of course future co-location
[33:28] options which can include either
[33:30] existing plants or you know,
[33:32] or Lincoln for that matter.
[33:35] Um
[33:36] And then finally I think just reported
[33:40] at the
[33:42] meeting by National Energy
[33:44] and Fuels Institute conference,
[33:47] we have been receiving tremendous
[33:48] unsolicited interest in
[33:50] the yellow hammer
[33:52] fuel oil.
[33:54] Not surprising us, but you know,
[33:56] gratifying to see that come to fruition.
[33:59] Sort of validates our business model and
[34:01] and all of the things that we say we
[34:03] want to be here in Lincoln.
[34:05] That's coming from corporates and
[34:07] institutions and we've been replying to
[34:09] RFPs
[34:11] and soliciting or
[34:14] working on
[34:15] you know, realizing on some of those
[34:17] that's unsolicited interest.
[34:19] So that's it. That's everything I wanted
[34:21] to tell you about and happy to answer
[34:22] questions now or or later.
[34:25] Hopefully that didn't
[34:26] put anybody to sleep, but thank you
[34:28] again for for all of your questions and
[34:30] your materials too.
[34:32] » Sure.
[34:33] Couple things just this one is
[34:35] » Kind of
[34:36] curious about this one.
[34:37] » You had ASTM certification we said
[34:39] validating. How does that process work?
[34:41] That's interesting.
[34:42] » Yeah, it's interesting. This is actually
[34:44] my first time through this. So
[34:47] so
[34:48] it's a it's it's
[34:52] the
[34:52] standard
[34:54] uh
[34:55] the standard setting
[34:57] group you know all the rules and a lot
[35:00] lot of technical stuff with the process.
[35:03] Um so
[35:05] they they establish ASTM establishes
[35:08] specifications for all fuels. Um and the
[35:13] validating is
[35:16] is the council the the board
[35:19] all agreeing that you know that this
[35:21] accurately and adequately describes the
[35:24] fuel that it takes into consideration
[35:27] all of the necessary safety and
[35:28] transportation um hazards and um
[35:31] considerations. And
[35:34] yeah and and it seems to be that nobody
[35:36] gets to pass on the first try. So that's
[35:39] » That's one of the things I wondered
[35:40] actually.
[35:41] » Yeah. Yeah, so so
[35:43] I mean it's sort of been you know
[35:45] pre-sold if you will with this group and
[35:48] and but
[35:50] I think maybe it's a tradition that you
[35:53] know
[35:53] no nobody gets to pass the first time.
[35:55] » All right. And then you said delay
[35:58] you're talking about
[35:59] actual delay of
[36:02] uh
[36:03] ground
[36:05] breaking sometime early in the when you
[36:07] move it back winter or spring. I'm
[36:09] thinking probably not winter.
[36:11] » Well, so we can start engineering
[36:14] you know any any time.
[36:16] I
[36:17] if if I you know I I hate to sort of
[36:20] offer false hope and and I'm so I'm you
[36:23] know I'm going to say probably we're
[36:24] thinking you know it's pushed back a
[36:27] most of a quarter, right? Into sort of
[36:29] the end of end of first quarter
[36:31] for finally
[36:34] closing financing
[36:36] and you know, putting a putting a shovel
[36:37] in the
[36:39] » Okay.
[36:40] All right, thank you.
[36:42] » Mr. Chairman.
[36:43] » Oh, I'm sorry. Sheldon?
[36:44] » Uh I grew up in the woods business all
[36:46] my life. Uh
[36:49] Now, how much per dry ton are you going
[36:51] to be paying for slab because if it's
[36:54] not economically feasible for the
[36:56] contractor, he's just going to haul it
[36:57] back in the woods
[36:59] and use it for a sub base to
[37:02] operate the machinery.
[37:03] » Right.
[37:04] » So, I mean, is it going to be $35, $40 a
[37:07] ton?
[37:08] » I can't say
[37:10] in this in this forum, but it is it is
[37:12] we know that we have to make it
[37:14] economically attractive and and it it
[37:16] and you know,
[37:18] that it's been a topic of negotiation
[37:20] and we'll we'll uh
[37:22] it will
[37:24] uh
[37:25] it will be attractive and it will
[37:26] actually also permit other
[37:29] forestry uh to continue that has it
[37:31] done.
[37:31] » Okay, thank you.
[37:34] » Anything else?
[37:36] Think.
[37:37] Sheldon?
[37:38] Uh
[37:39] So, I guess this would be for you and
[37:41] Steve Levesque. Um so, won't we have to
[37:44] start this as asbestos remediation
[37:48] process prior to the first quarter of
[37:51] of uh
[37:53] 2026 when they're ready to break ground?
[37:56] Won't we have to start our asbestos
[37:58] removal
[38:00] project of digging the hole and filling
[38:02] the hole and
[38:04] » Well, I'm going to talk a little bit
[38:05] about that later, but actually we're
[38:07] very fortunate because there isn't any
[38:08] asbestos involved with their project.
[38:11] » Perfect.
[38:12] Never mind I asked.
[38:14] » We like that, too.
[38:15] » Yeah.
[38:16] Okay.
[38:16] » Uh
[38:17] Anything else?
[38:20] » I asked the question.
[38:21] » No. No.
[38:22] » Thank
[38:22] » You, sir. Thank you. Thanks very much.
[38:24] » Appreciate it.
[38:26] » Item number 14, update on properties
[38:29] added to tax records.
[38:33] Mrs. Birch.
[38:46] » So, to make it short, the project is
[38:48] ongoing. And once it's done, I should
[38:50] have a list of all the properties that
[38:51] were added in all the ones that were
[38:53] built rebuilt for multiple years.
[38:55] But, as I stated in my monthly report
[38:58] that as you read it, when I came back
[39:01] from Chicago, I had a property owner
[39:03] come into my office
[39:05] and look at me and say, "I did the
[39:07] calculation on the 30% cross-the-board
[39:10] adjustment. When I did it, something's
[39:12] not adding up." At that point, I told
[39:14] him that the factor adjustment that goes
[39:16] to all properties, there's no way it
[39:19] could not add up.
[39:20] In the duration of when I went to
[39:22] Chicago, I noticed that there was a
[39:24] different program added to our Trio
[39:26] program called account maintenance. We
[39:28] use short maintenance in the town of
[39:29] Lincoln.
[39:31] When this gentleman was in my office and
[39:33] I double-checked, because when I did the
[39:35] first calculation, I had checked the
[39:37] accounts to make sure it went through
[39:38] accurately and there was no problems
[39:40] with the factor.
[39:42] When I checked it when this gentleman
[39:44] was in my office, I found that the land
[39:46] values were inflated, not 30%, but over
[39:49] 60%.
[39:52] So, I went and talked to the treasurer
[39:55] and we called Trio, who is our software
[39:58] company. They informed me, they said,
[40:00] "Oh, we don't know how this happens. It
[40:03] randomly happens. It just adds in. Did
[40:05] your property values double?"
[40:09] I was not happy. I was very upset, and I
[40:13] felt this was just perfect timing that
[40:15] it adds to the credibility factor we
[40:17] already have.
[40:19] At that point, the treasurer, Melissa
[40:21] Cantella, who does our technology, put a
[40:23] call in and said, "We need this fixed,
[40:25] and we need this fixed immediately."
[40:27] It was almost 2 weeks before the
[40:29] software company got back to us. So,
[40:31] this is why commitment is delayed.
[40:34] This is why I have done the corrective
[40:36] adjustments that they've done with the
[40:38] uh factoring. But, in addition, when I
[40:41] went in to try to correct this on my
[40:43] own, when I discovered the issue,
[40:45] started deleting the town information.
[40:48] So, I'm in the process of reviewing
[40:50] accounts, putting that back, and we have
[40:53] a target date for commitment of the
[40:54] 15th, but the bill rate I gave you of
[40:57] $15 and
[40:59] » 68
[40:59] » 68 cents is not accurate. It's $17.40
[41:03] because of that 30 extra 30%, which has
[41:07] now been corrected, which amounts to
[41:09] about a 7% increase in everybody's tax.
[41:14] So, with that, all I can tell you is
[41:18] this was out of our control,
[41:20] and luckily, uh
[41:22] had it call on speaker, so it was plenty
[41:24] of witnesses. I'm not making this up.
[41:28] And in going to tax school this past
[41:30] week, I found out that there were many
[41:31] others that had the same issues. So, all
[41:33] I can tell you now is it's been
[41:35] corrected. I've checked the accounts. I
[41:38] put the information that was deleted
[41:39] when I tried to correct it back in, and
[41:42] I'm still working on adding values, and
[41:44] hopefully, we'll have commitment ready
[41:46] to go on the 15th.
[41:47] » So, with this issue, will Maine Revenue
[41:49] Service let us do less than a 30%
[41:52] increase on our property values because
[41:54] of
[41:55] now increasing 7% instead of 3%?
[41:59] » No.
[42:00] No, it's that they adjust the 30% so
[42:03] people
[42:04] our assessments go up to 100%, so people
[42:08] get their homestead exemptions, we get
[42:09] our tree growth reimbursement, our
[42:12] homestead reimbursement, etc.
[42:14] It doesn't have anything to do with what
[42:17] we require as a budget to run the town.
[42:21] So, no.
[42:23] And actually right now, the main lister
[42:25] for assessors is compiling a list of
[42:27] towns that had to do these adjustments.
[42:30] We're up to 250 right now.
[42:33] They did similar adjustments.
[42:36] » Well, um I take it I think we've
[42:39] discussed it before. There are options
[42:42] for companies to provide the service are
[42:46] Is there another?
[42:47] » There are other There are other
[42:49] companies. There's the Patriot system,
[42:51] there's the Vision system, and there's
[42:53] the Tyler system. But, not all of these
[42:56] have budgetary systems in them. And what
[42:58] happens is that they have similar
[43:00] problems with their assessing because
[43:02] software is not
[43:05] unproblematic. So, they have different
[43:08] issues, not the same, but different. And
[43:11] um
[43:12] Trio is encountering more than usual cuz
[43:14] they just went to a web-based software.
[43:17] But, like for instance, some of these
[43:20] don't have budgetary, so we do the
[43:22] assessment and you load it onto the
[43:23] other system and then you come up with a
[43:25] whole host of other problems that are
[43:27] way worse than this.
[43:30] » I guess I I still don't understand how
[43:31] somebody hasn't made any improvements on
[43:33] their property in 40 years.
[43:35] We can increase their value by 30%.
[43:39] I don't understand it. I
[43:40] I don't know the assessing world. I I
[43:43] don't I just don't understand it.
[43:45] » Well, the only thing I can give you for
[43:47] a reference is when I started here in
[43:50] 1991, the average ranch style home, you
[43:53] all know about 1,000 square feet,
[43:55] five-room count, as one bathroom, as a
[43:58] hot air furnace or electric heat at the
[43:59] time, full foundation on an in-town lot,
[44:02] sold for 40 to 45,000.
[44:04] Today, they're selling for 180.
[44:07] So, that's how they do it. It's It's
[44:10] statistically based, and it's a
[44:12] It's
[44:13] market-based adjustments because the
[44:15] market is saying it's all
[44:18] All of the assessors in the state of
[44:19] Maine are facing the same situation.
[44:21] » And this is all because Maine revenue
[44:23] said we need to increase 30%.
[44:25] » They because we need to keep 100%
[44:28] assessment.
[44:29] » Mhm.
[44:29] » There's different adjustments being
[44:31] applied. Not everybody is doing 30%.
[44:33] » I thought we were under 30.
[44:35] » No, 30% when we started, we were going
[44:37] to be 40%.
[44:39] » Okay.
[44:39] » They lowered it to 30.
[44:41] The average is 30 right now.
[44:45] But some are even more. Some Some
[44:46] assessors right now are at 50%
[44:49] assessment, so
[44:51] they're double.
[44:52] » So, our our mill rate right now looks
[44:54] like it's going to be 1740.
[44:56] » Yes.
[44:57] » Last year, it was 21.
[44:58] » It was 2060.
[45:00] » 2060.
[45:01] » Yeah.
[45:10] » Well, yeah, and
[45:12] Okay, this is all being done because we
[45:14] don't have an actual revaluation yet.
[45:17] And then if the revaluation accepts us
[45:20] » Who recently had a revaluation.
[45:24] » Really?
[45:24] » In the past year.
[45:25] » So, that isn't
[45:26] » Their assessments have have their
[45:28] quality ratings have dropped.
[45:31] Just like ours did, and they're being
[45:33] told they're assessing at like
[45:35] 71%, so they need to adjust it up. Like
[45:38] this is after revaluation. I will say
[45:42] that I feel very confident with the
[45:44] current condition of the market where
[45:45] I'm seeing prices go down, and I'm
[45:47] seeing sales taking longer. You know,
[45:49] before it was like a average week to a
[45:52] month to sell.
[45:53] Now, it's more like 3 to 6 months, you
[45:56] know? So, I'm thinking that the market
[45:59] is adjusting, so I'm thinking when our
[46:01] reval starts, by the time it finishes
[46:04] they'll be a leveling off. So it it
[46:06] won't be like these that did it right
[46:08] during the bumper height
[46:11] of
[46:12] of this market inflated markets.
[46:15] I did have a state economist come and
[46:18] speak at tax school. I have the report
[46:20] in my office and everything I've just
[46:22] told you is outlined in that report,
[46:24] exactly the same thing.
[46:27] You know, I'm
[46:29] it's a condition of the current market.
[46:33] » And we've already set our budgets. We're
[46:35] not like we can't cut our budget, we've
[46:36] already voted on it.
[46:40] I've got next year's budget.
[46:42] » We'll have to do what we have to do. You
[46:44] know, just like I had to do what I had
[46:46] to do.
[46:48] And you know, it's it's unpleasant. It's
[46:50] certainly, you know, it's the cost of
[46:52] running the town.
[46:54] » When when the new tax property when the
[46:56] new properties are
[46:58] correctly assessed and they're in there
[46:59] and you file them and you put them on
[47:01] the list,
[47:02] that'll go towards 2026. That won't
[47:04] affect 2025. Is that correct?
[47:07] » Well, 2025 technically is over.
[47:10] » Right.
[47:10] » Right. So yes, it will go to this year.
[47:12] » Okay, it'll go to the following year in
[47:14] in in tax base.
[47:16] » Yes.
[47:16] » Okay.
[47:17] » Yes. Yes, because the tax base when they
[47:19] do my audit for instance for this year,
[47:21] they'll be looking at 2025.
[47:25] But I'm open for any questions. I'm open
[47:27] for, you know, I mean
[47:30] the last thing I wanted to do tonight
[47:32] was stand up here and tell you there was
[47:34] a glitch in the software.
[47:36] That is absolutely the last thing. I
[47:38] really don't have, you know, suicide on
[47:40] my favorite ring.
[47:42] » And maybe we need to look for a
[47:43] different cuz we've had several issues
[47:46] with that Trio.
[47:48] » If you could hear the horror stories at
[47:50] tax school, they're varying variety.
[47:54] And Uh, one of the things is customer
[47:57] service because the fact is new software
[48:00] companies are understaffed, too. So,
[48:01] they're having a hard time getting back
[48:03] to the people asking the questions.
[48:07] » Mhm.
[48:10] I'm just sitting here wondering
[48:12] how we dealt with this 40 years ago
[48:13] without all this technology.
[48:16] » It was called manually done.
[48:18] » Now, would that be more efficient?
[48:21] » Uh, with the amount of tax accounts we
[48:23] have today, I would say no. But, may I
[48:26] remind you, too, back then, we had a
[48:29] single assessor, meaning the assessor
[48:31] only did assess.
[48:34] And they also had a part-time assistant.
[48:42] » Do we not have that now?
[48:44] » No.
[48:47] I have a part-time part-time assistant.
[48:51] » And she has a part-time assistant.
[48:55] » And we're you're looking at two
[48:57] different things because
[48:59] we can add a full-time assistant, but
[49:01] that's going to add to our budget.
[49:02] With benefits and and I think that's why
[49:06] we went with part-time part-time.
[49:08] And just my opinion, if we add another
[49:11] position, that's
[49:12] that's a lot of money to the budget.
[49:14] » But, to spend 80 to collect
[49:16] 300,000 would be a good thing.
[49:20] » Well, you don't want to just spend 80
[49:21] for a full-time employee.
[49:24] » No.
[49:26] » You know.
[49:27] » You can you can bring her up if you
[49:30] want to. No question.
[49:34] Any other questions for Mrs. Burks?
[49:38] Thank you very much.
[49:43] Item 15, discussion on Wreaths Across
[49:46] America.
[49:53] » Uh, good evening. My name is Landon Fry.
[49:54] I'm one of the co-coordinators for
[49:57] Wreaths Across America.
[49:59] Um some of the other co-coordinators
[50:01] would be
[50:02] April McKinney, Dakota Ora, and Scott
[50:05] McNish. Um what's your name again, sir?
[50:08] My name is Landon Fry. Landon, okay.
[50:10] Thank you. Yep.
[50:12] Um
[50:15] Uh what was given to me in outlines to
[50:16] me to present to you gentlemen this
[50:18] evening and the rest people that are
[50:20] here is that uh we need roughly 950
[50:23] wreaths. Uh this will cover everyone
[50:25] that we currently have
[50:27] uh on our list and this includes the
[50:30] five cemeteries here in Lincoln.
[50:32] Uh we are enrolled in a kickback program
[50:35] with the wreath company company. If we
[50:37] raise the funds for 733 wreaths, the
[50:41] cost of this would be $12,461.
[50:45] The other 218 would be covered by the
[50:48] company.
[50:49] Uh Wreaths Across America.
[50:51] Since the last town meeting, uh we've
[50:53] collected $1,624.69.
[50:58] This was raised by the four of us uh
[51:00] going around to local businesses and
[51:02] asking if they
[51:03] uh wanted to participate and provide
[51:06] donation.
[51:07] Uh we have a few other fundraising
[51:08] events planned such as a table at
[51:10] Septemberfest this coming weekend. Um
[51:14] table at Steaks and Stuff, uh an event
[51:16] at Walmart, we have a 50/50 raffle, and
[51:19] a prize calendar.
[51:21] Um that we These are some of the ideas
[51:23] fundraising events that we're going to
[51:25] participate in and try and raise some
[51:27] money.
[51:28] Um
[51:30] From what I understand, cuz I wasn't uh
[51:31] part of this last year, um
[51:34] last year, I think we had even less
[51:36] money
[51:37] that we collected.
[51:39] Uh so
[51:40] goal is to try and collect more money.
[51:43] Um
[51:44] the reason we're here is to see if the
[51:46] town of Lincoln would be willing to
[51:49] um
[51:49] donate any of that money towards Wreaths
[51:51] Across America
[51:53] for the
[51:54] grave sites and whatnot.
[51:56] Um
[51:59] » So, this would be for Lincoln cemeteries
[52:00] only?
[52:01] » Yes.
[52:05] » And the the total cost right now is
[52:06] what?
[52:07] » Uh the total cost We raised the funds
[52:11] for 733 wreaths, the cost would be
[52:14] $12,461,
[52:18] to which we've raised $1,624.69.
[52:25] » When did you get them?
[52:28] » Uh I think the beginning of November.
[52:30] » November 2020.
[52:31] » Or November.
[52:36] » I would ask that we
[52:38] um look into
[52:40] what we would raise for this project,
[52:43] where we would get the money from,
[52:45] and
[52:48] what would your estimate be of of what
[52:50] you'd need from the town?
[52:53] » I mean, whatever the town would be
[52:54] willing to give would be a help.
[52:55] » Mhm.
[52:56] Okay.
[52:56] » At this point, you know, we're
[53:01] you know, pretty short
[53:03] on how much we're trying to collect. Um
[53:06] you know, and really like this boils
[53:09] down to just us four people trying to go
[53:11] around and talk to people. Um I This is
[53:13] just a side note, but I met the the
[53:15] founder's wife of a Wreaths Across
[53:16] America just the other evening at Kohl's
[53:18] in Bangor, uh to which she told me they
[53:21] have 52,000 locations across the United
[53:23] States. Um you know,
[53:26] people like ourselves uh trying to
[53:29] uh coordinate this money to to make this
[53:31] happen. So, um you know, there are towns
[53:34] all across America that are doing this,
[53:36] um
[53:37] to which our I think ours is just as
[53:38] important, our little town of Lincoln.
[53:41] Um and uh we it be very much greatly
[53:43] appreciated if uh you could all come
[53:45] together on this.
[53:50] » And it's only Lincoln cemeteries.
[53:52] » Yes.
[53:58] » Chief, did you Have you set up a
[54:00] website? Did they set a website up for
[54:02] you?
[54:02] » Um,
[54:03] I think there is like a I think there is
[54:05] a website.
[54:06] » You know, if they have it, I'll I'll
[54:08] talk to you after and you can set that
[54:09] up and Is there any way that we can we
[54:11] can spread that word on our social
[54:13] media?
[54:14] » Mhm.
[54:16] » There is a website. There's a link, I
[54:18] believe. Somebody sent it to me.
[54:22] Um,
[54:23] because I actually went in and donated
[54:26] towards victory
[54:28] a couple of weeks ago before I went on
[54:29] vacation. So, there is a website. I
[54:32] believe Sean has access to that.
[54:36] Um, so we can share it on social media.
[54:39] » Can we highlight that on the Lincoln
[54:41] page?
[54:42] » Yeah, I'll have
[54:43] Make sure to John put it put it to the
[54:45] top of our page.
[54:47] » Mhm.
[54:47] » We also have an account set up at the
[54:49] Lincoln Federal Credit Union, where you
[54:51] Anybody can just go and tell tell them
[54:54] that that's what they're donating
[54:55] towards, and that can go right into that
[54:57] account as well.
[54:58] » I don't think anybody Not many people
[55:00] know about it. That We need to get the
[55:02] word out there.
[55:03] » Yeah.
[55:03] » So, John,
[55:05] » We'll make We'll get the word out. Okay.
[55:06] » Thank you. Thank you.
[55:08] » It's $17.
[55:10] » $17 a week. Yes.
[55:18] » So,
[55:20] maybe not on the 16th, Mr. Manager, but
[55:22] in the following meeting,
[55:24] » October?
[55:24] » Yeah. Could we have a Could we have a
[55:26] plan of where we might be able to draw
[55:28] some money from?
[55:30] And
[55:32] so, I don't want to add to the budget.
[55:34] » Well, it doesn't add, it'll probably go
[55:35] to undesignated. I don't know if we have
[55:37] a place for that.
[55:38] Or main roads or
[55:41] I don't think we want to start to draw
[55:42] that down for that purpose.
[55:43] » Well, I'm just looking at options.
[55:46] » Mhm.
[55:47] » So,
[55:48] uh we could do that for October.
[55:50] » We could.
[55:53] Thank you.
[55:55] Any more
[55:57] on that Bruce Schouler America?
[56:03] Item 16, approve changes of personnel
[56:05] policies regarding holidays. Suggested
[56:07] motion, move to approve the following
[56:09] changes to the town's personnel policies
[56:11] in regards to the holidays, taking
[56:13] effect on January 1, 2026.
[56:17] Adding Martin Luther King Day,
[56:19] adding Juneteenth, deleting the personal
[56:22] day.
[56:26] » So moved.
[56:27] » Gordon.
[56:32] Dan.
[56:34] Discussion?
[56:38] » Is this a reasonable Are they in the
[56:41] contract for the fire department?
[56:43] » The only way they're in the contract is
[56:45] it says, "If the town should adopt one
[56:48] or both of these holidays, then
[56:52] they can work with that." But at the
[56:53] moment, not in the body of the contract.
[57:02] » Any other discussion?
[57:07] Roll call vote, please.
[57:11] » Councilor Summers?
[57:12] » Yes.
[57:13] » Councilor Harrington?
[57:14] » Yes.
[57:15] » Councilor Street?
[57:17] » Yes.
[57:18] » Councilor Clay?
[57:19] » Yes.
[57:20] » Councilor Trask?
[57:21] » Yes.
[57:23] » 5-0.
[57:25] Item 17, approve change of parade and
[57:28] fireworks in July 2026.
[57:31] Suggested motion, move to change the
[57:33] annual parade and fireworks show during
[57:37] Loon Fest to Saturday, July 24th
[57:40] in celebration uh for Saturday, July
[57:43] 4th, excuse me, 2026
[57:46] in celebration of the 250th birthday of
[57:48] the United States
[57:50] the semi-quincentennial.
[57:58] » Is there a second?
[57:59] » Well, we haven't voted on the motion
[58:01] yet. Just a second.
[58:04] » I'll move.
[58:05] » Sheldon
[58:10] Do I have a second?
[58:19] Do I have a second?
[58:24] Motion dies for lack of a second.
[58:28] » I'm for it.
[58:31] » Item 18, approve closure. Suggested
[58:33] motion, move to approve closing Veterans
[58:35] Memorial Square for Halloween
[58:37] celebrations on October 31st, 2025
[58:40] from 2:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
[58:44] Dan
[58:46] » Second.
[58:47] » Gordon
[58:50] Discussion?
[58:53] Roll call, please.
[58:55] » Councilor Summers
[58:56] » Yes.
[58:58] » Councilor Harrington
[58:59] » Yes.
[59:00] » Councilor Street
[59:01] » Yes.
[59:01] » Councilor Clay
[59:02] » Yes.
[59:04] » Councilor Trout
[59:05] » Yes.
[59:07] » 5-0
[59:10] Item 19, award bid.
[59:12] Suggested motion, move to award a bid
[59:14] for a new UTV machine, Bobcat UV34
[59:18] for the Cemetery, Parks, and Recreation
[59:20] Department to Jordan Equipment in the
[59:22] amount of $21,000
[59:24] $822.90
[59:27] with funding to come from the recreation
[59:28] equipment reserve account.
[59:34] » So move.
[59:35] » Second. Gordon.
[59:38] » Then, discussion?
[59:40] » Mr. Chairman, uh
[59:42] is this replacing the one that we have?
[59:45] » Yes.
[59:45] » And how many hours on one that you have?
[59:48] » I don't know the exact hour count. Um I
[59:51] think it's 1,200
[59:53] hours. It's a 13, so it's at least 10 to
[59:57] 12 years old depending on
[59:59] like it was bought used or new at the
[1:00:01] time.
[1:00:03] » Now, can we get
[1:00:04] get this down the road for 2 more
[1:00:06] summers?
[1:00:07] » We cannot cuz it is actually currently
[1:00:08] sitting unusable in the garage over at
[1:00:10] public works.
[1:00:12] » Reason being?
[1:00:13] » Uh let's see here. Uh blown head gasket,
[1:00:16] um issue with the coolant tank, and a
[1:00:19] water pump.
[1:00:20] Um estimated cost to fix that would just
[1:00:22] be um we were told you were better off
[1:00:25] replacing the entire engine, which is
[1:00:28] roughly probably in the $4 to $6,000
[1:00:31] range.
[1:00:32] » That would be a lot cheaper than 22,000.
[1:00:36] » Yes, but you're also putting money into
[1:00:38] a piece of equipment that is 10 to 12
[1:00:40] years old. Do that a couple more times,
[1:00:43] um you're sitting right at the same same
[1:00:46] price on a piece of equipment that is
[1:00:47] used quite a bit.
[1:00:50] » You know, I understand that, Mr.
[1:00:51] Chairman, but
[1:00:53] we need to vote on how we
[1:00:55] spend the town's funds wisely.
[1:00:58] » Uh
[1:00:59] I mean, this piece of machinery, I mean,
[1:01:01] if if it was used properly, you should
[1:01:04] be getting 6,000 7,000 hours out of it.
[1:01:07] You know?
[1:01:08] I mean, we just got to stop buying
[1:01:10] equipment that having equipment.
[1:01:13] There's no reason why we can't repair
[1:01:14] this piece of equipment and get it down
[1:01:15] the road 2 or 3 more years.
[1:01:18] » Noted.
[1:01:19] » Yeah.
[1:01:21] » I don't I'm with you the rest of the
[1:01:22] people on this part of the everything
[1:01:24] that you said.
[1:01:28] » Seems to be in relatively decent shape.
[1:01:31] I can't say for anything else in the
[1:01:32] motor itself.
[1:01:35] » So I mean having, you know, that
[1:01:38] information
[1:01:39] you could find it a difficult for them
[1:01:41] to
[1:01:42] come up with replacement parts at all.
[1:01:44] And what is what is the
[1:01:46] the history of new repairs and stuff on
[1:01:49] that particular piece
[1:01:51] » Um mostly just general maintenance for
[1:01:54] the most part over the course of it. Um
[1:01:57] it has been mentioned in the budget to
[1:01:59] be replaced in the next year or so.
[1:02:01] So it's not something that is
[1:02:03] just recently popped up. It's been
[1:02:04] something I've been planning for for the
[1:02:06] last couple years as well.
[1:02:07] » And how long would if we were to go with
[1:02:09] rebuilding the engine for 6,000
[1:02:13] um versus picking it out of a reserve
[1:02:15] account, what's the turnaround time to
[1:02:18] get that
[1:02:19] on the on the origin
[1:02:21] for you?
[1:02:21] » Um I'd have to have to run it back down
[1:02:24] to Jordan Equipment.
[1:02:27] I would have to find out exactly
[1:02:29] turnaround time on getting
[1:02:31] whether it was just replacing the part
[1:02:33] itself or if we were replacing the
[1:02:35] entire engine. That's would be probably
[1:02:37] two different answers to that question
[1:02:39] depending on which way
[1:02:40] we decided to go.
[1:02:42] » When do you expect to stop using it for
[1:02:44] the season?
[1:02:45] » Um
[1:02:46] » If you were to If you were to get a new
[1:02:48] one
[1:02:48] » It would uh probably middle of October,
[1:02:52] middle to end of October depending on
[1:02:54] the type of fall we have. If it's a warm
[1:02:57] fall and we're still doing burials um
[1:03:00] into October, November or late October,
[1:03:03] you know, early mid-November it'd be
[1:03:05] then, but if it's a
[1:03:07] generally cold fall and the
[1:03:09] ground freezes earlier then it would be
[1:03:11] probably more maybe beginning of
[1:03:13] October. I don't know for sure.
[1:03:14] » What are you using right now to
[1:03:16] substitute?
[1:03:17] So we've had uh uh
[1:03:20] We rented the dump body trailer from
[1:03:22] Tibbetts the time that we've needed to
[1:03:24] use it.
[1:03:25] Um
[1:03:28] Other than that we with the high school
[1:03:30] kids going back to school um
[1:03:33] other things that we use it for um it's
[1:03:35] mostly just burials at this time.
[1:03:40] » So
[1:03:42] So right now the machine is disabled,
[1:03:44] correct?
[1:03:45] » Yes.
[1:03:45] » And what are we using to dig with?
[1:03:47] » Uh we dig with a John Deere tractor.
[1:03:49] » Okay.
[1:03:50] » The Bobcat we use to load the dirt from
[1:03:53] the hole to the back and then
[1:03:56] » Back again when when the hole gets
[1:03:57] filled in.
[1:03:58] » Okay.
[1:03:58] So we're using a dump body. How much are
[1:04:00] we paying for rent for that?
[1:04:02] » That was $75
[1:04:04] the one time we used it.
[1:04:05] » Okay. So we only use it once.
[1:04:06] » Only once so far, yes.
[1:04:09] » So
[1:04:11] I'd like to see if we could get pricing
[1:04:13] on what it would cost for the new
[1:04:14] engine.
[1:04:15] » Okay.
[1:04:15] » Uh what the time delay would be.
[1:04:17] » Okay.
[1:04:17] » Uh how much it's costing us to work as
[1:04:19] we're working right now versus can could
[1:04:22] we wait
[1:04:23] and spend 6,000 versus 22,000?
[1:04:26] » Okay.
[1:04:27] » Because if that goes upside down in 2
[1:04:29] years, we're going to have more in the
[1:04:31] reserve account to buy a brand new one.
[1:04:33] » Correct.
[1:04:34] Correct.
[1:04:35] » This one this one is brand new, too.
[1:04:37] » The one that's out of service is brand
[1:04:39] new?
[1:04:39] » Oh no. Oh no. Sorry.
[1:04:40] » I was going to say.
[1:04:41] » The one that was fitted inside.
[1:04:42] » Okay.
[1:04:43] » Uh
[1:04:45] just uh
[1:04:46] we're too um we did have a bid that came
[1:04:48] in
[1:04:49] after the deadline that was actually the
[1:04:51] cheapest one.
[1:04:52] » Mhm.
[1:04:52] » Uh
[1:04:53] out of all of them.
[1:04:55] Um
[1:04:55] that fit our needs.
[1:04:56] » It doesn't appear right now and I'm I'm
[1:04:58] not voting for everybody else, but it
[1:04:59] doesn't appear right now that that we'd
[1:05:01] like a little more research going into
[1:05:03] this before we can sit and spend that
[1:05:05] $22,000. So
[1:05:08] I know about the renting of the dump
[1:05:10] body. I I understand that.
[1:05:13] Um
[1:05:14] And this is the I guess a question more
[1:05:16] for uh Dennis.
[1:05:18] Is there anything that we could do to
[1:05:19] maybe assist them in the meantime if it
[1:05:21] if it comes out to that?
[1:05:23] » We would assist in any way that Britain
[1:05:24] needs
[1:05:25] to assist. But I would like to add one
[1:05:28] thing just for discussion purposes. And
[1:05:30] then the mechanic that looked at this uh
[1:05:32] machine did advise us to not put any
[1:05:34] money into that engine simply because
[1:05:37] it's not one generation it would be two
[1:05:39] generations to remove it from what is
[1:05:41] currently owned.
[1:05:42] » And is that because of replacement parts
[1:05:44] or
[1:05:45] » Replacement parts are also aged and they
[1:05:47] This is um
[1:05:49] you can say it's 12 years old.
[1:05:53] » Is this a gas or diesel?
[1:05:56] » I believe it's diesel.
[1:05:58] » It was a diesel, Dennis?
[1:06:01] » Also, Clay, did you have something you
[1:06:02] wanted to say?
[1:06:06] » No.
[1:06:08] » Okay.
[1:06:10] Uh
[1:06:11] roll call.
[1:06:15] » Councilor Summers?
[1:06:16] » Uh this going to be no for right now.
[1:06:20] » Councilor Harrington?
[1:06:21] » No. Down.
[1:06:23] » Councilor Street?
[1:06:24] » No.
[1:06:25] » Councilor Clay?
[1:06:26] » No.
[1:06:27] » Councilor Trask?
[1:06:28] » No.
[1:06:31] So if we could do a little more research
[1:06:33] and see what we could do with that and
[1:06:34] if it comes out that we buy the new one,
[1:06:36] we buy the new one, but if we can save
[1:06:37] some money
[1:06:38] we just had the
[1:06:40] uh road mill rate go up another $2.
[1:06:42] » That's good.
[1:06:43] » And is that something that we can get on
[1:06:44] the October, you think?
[1:06:46] » October but October would be okay?
[1:06:48] On the October and on the October
[1:06:51] meeting, please.
[1:06:53] » Okay.
[1:06:54] » Item 20, suggested motion move to award
[1:06:57] a bid for a Case 580SNWT
[1:07:01] loader backhoe to Beauregard Equipment
[1:07:03] in the amount of $141,300
[1:07:07] with funding to come from the capital
[1:07:09] account 0435
[1:07:11] public works equipment.
[1:07:14] So moved. Dan?
[1:07:16] » Second.
[1:07:17] » Gordon?
[1:07:19] Discussion?
[1:07:20] » Mr. Chairman, I was looking at the bid
[1:07:23] proposals.
[1:07:25] Uh what are we trading in
[1:07:29] if we go ahead and do this? Yeah, we're
[1:07:31] trading in the one at the
[1:07:33] transfer station? Are we trading
[1:07:35] » The thousand
[1:07:35] » We're trading the one at the transfer
[1:07:36] station.
[1:07:39] » Okay.
[1:07:41] Now, can we get by the winter and and
[1:07:44] have this added to the budget
[1:07:46] next spring?
[1:07:48] » It is my opinion that we we wouldn't
[1:07:50] make it through. That that loader at the
[1:07:52] transfer station is ailing. It limps
[1:07:54] around at best.
[1:07:56] » So the main reason why we'd be trading
[1:07:58] it is to get
[1:08:01] give the one that you have now to them
[1:08:03] and then you're having a new one.
[1:08:05] » Historically, that's the way we've done
[1:08:06] it.
[1:08:07] » How many hours is on the one that
[1:08:09] you have right now?
[1:08:10] » Uh it's 2,700 or so.
[1:08:21] » Now, to get that through the winter, Mr.
[1:08:24] Chairman,
[1:08:25] uh
[1:08:27] I'm kind of wondering how much it would
[1:08:28] cost to limp this one along. I mean,
[1:08:31] we've been limping it along for the last
[1:08:33] several years.
[1:08:35] You know.
[1:08:36] » It's going to very soon, if it's not
[1:08:38] already, become a safety hazard. The cab
[1:08:40] is rotting off of the machine.
[1:08:42] Um it gets a flat tire about once a
[1:08:44] week.
[1:08:45] The tires cost $800 to get them filled
[1:08:48] solid and I'm not I'm not allowed to
[1:08:50] spend that money on that machine.
[1:08:54] » I've seen the I've seen the condition of
[1:08:55] that machine.
[1:08:57] » That machine was worn out when they gave
[1:08:59] it to the transfer station.
[1:09:02] » I'm going to
[1:09:03] So, we have this in the
[1:09:05] » This is a budgeted item. It is. So, I
[1:09:07] think we should do that if it's in the
[1:09:10] » Motion.
[1:09:12] » Mr. Floyd.
[1:09:18] » I I would just like to make sure that
[1:09:20] moving forward, this equipment that
[1:09:22] we're replacing that
[1:09:24] you know, the one that was given to the
[1:09:25] transfer station, to me if that if that
[1:09:28] was
[1:09:29] maintained and washed, that's why we
[1:09:32] hire a mechanic
[1:09:34] to do just that. So,
[1:09:36] um we got to make sure that we're
[1:09:37] utilizing this equipment. I mean, just
[1:09:40] because it's 4 or 5 years old with 2,000
[1:09:42] hours,
[1:09:43] you know, that's low hours. There's no
[1:09:45] reason why we can't get 10, 12, 15 years
[1:09:48] out of a new piece of equipment if it's
[1:09:49] maintained properly.
[1:09:51] » This machine is 19 years old.
[1:09:54] The one at the transfer station we're
[1:09:55] trading in is 19 years old.
[1:09:57] » No, I I understand that.
[1:09:59] But, now
[1:10:00] » You you just raised a point there. I
[1:10:01] mean, I've seen it.
[1:10:03] I see that every time that we're using
[1:10:04] the dump there and uh
[1:10:05] it's getting to the point where it's
[1:10:07] become a safety hazard.
[1:10:08] Um and I I believe it is after what I've
[1:10:11] seen.
[1:10:13] Um
[1:10:14] So, uh that's that's my thoughts on
[1:10:16] that.
[1:10:20] » Now, structurally, how's the one that
[1:10:22] you have you have right now?
[1:10:23] » Much much better and it's been better
[1:10:25] taken care of.
[1:10:26] » And it's washed off the salt. So, don't
[1:10:28] lay on the fenders and corrode.
[1:10:30] » Okay.
[1:10:31] » What are we going to do with the old
[1:10:32] one?
[1:10:33] » Well, we're trading it in and then the
[1:10:34] public works goes down to the transfer
[1:10:37] station.
[1:10:37] » Okay.
[1:10:39] » And it'll live out I mean, it'll serve
[1:10:40] us another 8 or 10 years down the road.
[1:10:42] As the the one
[1:10:44] currently at the transfer station.
[1:10:46] » Put that one down
[1:10:47] » I did. It's 19 years old.
[1:10:48] » It is.
[1:10:49] I did have in my monthly report, I
[1:10:51] believe it was last month that we've
[1:10:52] developed an undercarriage sprayer. Um
[1:10:55] there were some pictures of it. Um mean,
[1:10:57] it has this equipment much cleaner on
[1:10:59] the underside.
[1:11:03] Thank you, Dennis. Anything else, Mr.
[1:11:04] Hamilton?
[1:11:05] » Well, I
[1:11:06] you know, I do know that a few years
[1:11:08] back we agreed to take the fire
[1:11:10] department down Cajun who washed all
[1:11:13] this equipment off under the high
[1:11:14] pressure.
[1:11:15] » I don't remember that, but okay.
[1:11:17] » I mean, that's what we should be doing
[1:11:19] is making sure that it is properly
[1:11:21] washed off in the proper manner. I mean,
[1:11:23] it's no different than the cash
[1:11:25] register.
[1:11:25] » We just played at government all that
[1:11:29] road and this rocks the road, so
[1:11:31] » I can tell you the police department did
[1:11:33] that when that is when that is had that.
[1:11:35] We all we brought every cruiser, put it
[1:11:38] Anytime they did it, we washed
[1:11:40] » So, we have an undercarriage washer down
[1:11:41] there now. We do.
[1:11:49] Okay.
[1:11:51] And roll call, please.
[1:11:52] » Councilor Summers?
[1:11:54] » Yes.
[1:11:55] » Councilor Harrington?
[1:11:57] » Yes.
[1:11:57] » Councilor Street?
[1:11:58] » Yes.
[1:11:59] » Councilor Clay?
[1:12:00] » Yes.
[1:12:02] » Councilor Trask?
[1:12:02] » Yes.
[1:12:04] » 5-0.
[1:12:06] Item 21 of eight property taxes, move to
[1:12:09] abate Waterfront Event Center business
[1:12:11] equipment taxes account number 264 in
[1:12:14] the amount of $98.31
[1:12:17] for 2023,
[1:12:19] $86.02
[1:12:20] for 2024,
[1:12:22] and 101.20
[1:12:26] $101.20
[1:12:28] for FY 2025.
[1:12:33] Summers?
[1:12:34] Gordon?
[1:12:39] Second. Dan?
[1:12:41] Discussion?
[1:12:51] Roll call.
[1:12:53] » Councillor Summers?
[1:12:54] » Yes.
[1:12:55] » Councillor Harrington?
[1:12:56] » Yes.
[1:12:57] » Councillor Street?
[1:12:58] » Yes.
[1:12:59] » Councillor Clay?
[1:13:00] » Yes.
[1:13:01] » Councillor Trax?
[1:13:02] » Yes.
[1:13:04] » 5-0.
[1:13:06] Item 22, authorize town manager.
[1:13:08] Suggested motion moved to authorize the
[1:13:10] town manager to sign a municipal quick
[1:13:12] claim release deed on behalf of Blaine
[1:13:15] King as attached.
[1:13:21] So moved. Dan?
[1:13:23] » Second.
[1:13:24] » Gordon?
[1:13:26] Discussion?
[1:13:29] Yes, sir.
[1:13:30] » Yeah, do you have any questions?
[1:13:33] » But, I don't know who you are.
[1:13:34] » Is Donald Sanborn. I'm the engineer
[1:13:36] that's done a lot of
[1:13:38] I've also spent 50 years up in this
[1:13:40] area.
[1:13:41] » Okay.
[1:13:41] » But
[1:13:42] » I just didn't know who you were.
[1:13:44] » I haven't been here for the last eight,
[1:13:45] so I can give you
[1:13:50] » Any questions for Mr. Sanborn?
[1:13:57] I guess not.
[1:13:59] Thank you.
[1:14:01] » If you're all set, the I assume you know
[1:14:03] all the piece of property we're talking
[1:14:04] about.
[1:14:05] The uh
[1:14:09] » Roll call.
[1:14:10] » Councillor Summers?
[1:14:11] » Yes.
[1:14:12] » Councillor Harrington?
[1:14:13] » Yes.
[1:14:14] » Councillor Street?
[1:14:15] » Yes.
[1:14:16] » Councillor Clay?
[1:14:17] » Yes.
[1:14:18] » Councillor Trax?
[1:14:19] » Yes.
[1:14:21] » 5-0.
[1:14:24] Item 23, award bid.
[1:14:26] Move to award the bid for operations of
[1:14:28] the ACM asbestos containment management
[1:14:32] area to SAG Realty LLC.
[1:14:36] » So moved.
[1:14:38] » Dan?
[1:14:41] » I second.
[1:14:42] » Gordon?
[1:14:44] Discussion? Mr. Levesque?
[1:14:46] » Uh good evening.
[1:14:47] » Good evening.
[1:14:48] » Um so it's the
[1:14:50] » Give you a little explanation. So, as
[1:14:51] you may recall, we were able to secure
[1:14:54] um a permit from DEP to be able to
[1:14:58] take the asbestos that as part of the
[1:15:01] demolition uh from buildings on the mill
[1:15:04] site and rather than shipping them off
[1:15:06] to other other landfills and paying
[1:15:08] those transportation and disposal costs,
[1:15:11] we have a permit actually manage them
[1:15:14] right on the site.
[1:15:15] So, a couple months ago, you actually
[1:15:17] approved a contract to prepare the site.
[1:15:20] It's all ready to go and now the second
[1:15:22] one is really for a company to operate
[1:15:25] to operate that. What will happen as
[1:15:27] buildings are coming down and we have
[1:15:29] some coming down now, uh they'll put the
[1:15:32] asbestos materials in containers, bring
[1:15:35] it over to the site, and then the
[1:15:37] operator will actually take that, put it
[1:15:39] in the site, and cover it under the
[1:15:41] permit requirements.
[1:15:43] » Mhm.
[1:15:43] » So, that's what we're looking at here
[1:15:45] and and the cost savings is about 10 to
[1:15:47] 12 million dollars.
[1:15:49] » Perfect.
[1:15:49] » Um by saving money there for for the
[1:15:51] town by having it done on site. Um so,
[1:15:55] we did get one uh we did get only one
[1:15:57] bid from Sag Realty, which is the
[1:15:59] Gardner the Gardner Group. Um obviously,
[1:16:02] they have to be trained on man handling
[1:16:04] and managing asbestos. We have our
[1:16:06] engineering company um environmental
[1:16:08] engineers um CDM Mahar that will
[1:16:10] actually coordinate this because you
[1:16:12] have buildings coming down at different
[1:16:14] times. It's a unique contract because
[1:16:17] we're going to be looking at demolition
[1:16:18] of buildings probably for the next 10
[1:16:20] years.
[1:16:21] So, there may be a building here,
[1:16:23] building there as we get grants and then
[1:16:25] so, this company will then come in as as
[1:16:27] this asbestos material is ready to be
[1:16:29] put into the into the site. Um the LLIC
[1:16:33] reviewed this today and is recommending
[1:16:35] approval.
[1:16:36] » Thank you.
[1:16:37] » Questions for Mr. Leveille.
[1:16:39] » Um for the just how deep is this going
[1:16:42] to be and what goes over the top of it?
[1:16:45] » It's probably 30 or 40 ft deep. It's
[1:16:47] already in a depression now.
[1:16:50] Um and it's something prepared so
[1:16:51] there's a liner uh a clay liner there.
[1:16:53] It was a former disposal area that the
[1:16:57] uh the mill the Lincoln Pulp and Tissue
[1:16:58] Mill had. So it's it's been approved by
[1:17:01] DEP.
[1:17:02] Um so we that's really how and and it'll
[1:17:05] be covered by inert materials. So we're
[1:17:07] looking at dirt, sand, sawdust.
[1:17:10] Uh maybe we're if we can get DEP to
[1:17:12] approve it some of the sludge that we're
[1:17:14] we're removing from the uh the old
[1:17:17] lagoon can be mixed with the sawdust and
[1:17:19] used as a cover.
[1:17:22] » To maximize.
[1:17:23] » And then?
[1:17:24] Garden?
[1:17:25] » No, actually well, I mean we're actually
[1:17:28] it could be a site for different things.
[1:17:30] I mean obviously you don't want a lot of
[1:17:31] foot traffic on it. But it may be a
[1:17:33] potential site for future solar farm or
[1:17:35] something like that.
[1:17:36] » There you go.
[1:17:39] » Any more questions?
[1:17:41] Roll call.
[1:17:47] » Councilor Samarge.
[1:17:48] » Yes.
[1:17:49] » Councilor Harrington.
[1:17:50] » Yes.
[1:17:51] » Councilor Street.
[1:17:52] » Yes.
[1:17:52] » Councilor Clay.
[1:17:53] » Yes.
[1:17:55] » Councilor Trahan.
[1:17:55] » Yes.
[1:17:57] » And I just add I forgot to mention this
[1:17:59] comes from a grant from
[1:18:01] uh D E C D.
[1:18:04] » Thank you very much.
[1:18:04] » Yeah.
[1:18:06] » Item 24 award bid.
[1:18:09] Move to award the bid for the cap on
[1:18:11] containments at the Biopine Development
[1:18:14] Northeast site to Allstate
[1:18:16] in the amount of $125,392.
[1:18:20] Funding to come from the D E C D grant.
[1:18:23] » So moved.
[1:18:24] » Dan.
[1:18:25] » Second.
[1:18:26] » Gordon.
[1:18:28] Discussion.
[1:18:29] » Is this the glad that you were just
[1:18:30] talking about?
[1:18:31] » No, this is another one.
[1:18:32] » Another one?
[1:18:32] » Yeah.
[1:18:40] » No more discussion. Roll call.
[1:18:44] » Councilor Summers?
[1:18:45] » Yes.
[1:18:46] » Councilor Handspiker?
[1:18:47] » Yes.
[1:18:48] » Councilor Street?
[1:18:49] » Yes.
[1:18:49] » Councilor Clay?
[1:18:56] » I don't think he heard you.
[1:18:57] » Councilor Clay?
[1:19:02] » Yes.
[1:19:06] » Hold it just a second. I think he's
[1:19:10] Here we go. Councilor Clay?
[1:19:13] » Councilor Clay?
[1:19:17] » We can't hear you, Steve.
[1:19:18] » Yes. Sorry.
[1:19:20] » We got you now.
[1:19:22] » Councilor Shaw?
[1:19:23] » Yes.
[1:19:24] » 5-0.
[1:19:26] Thank you.
[1:19:31] Suggested motion moved to retire into
[1:19:33] executive session pursuant to Title 1
[1:19:35] MRSA Section 405 6A personnel.
[1:19:38] » So moved.
[1:19:40] » Dan?
[1:19:42] » Second.
[1:19:43] » Gordon?
[1:19:47] Discussion?
[1:19:48] » Does there
[1:19:49] pursuant to that
[1:19:51] thing, do we need to specify in more
[1:19:53] detail?
[1:19:54] » No. Personnel.
[1:19:55] » Just straight personnel. Okay. All
[1:19:57] right.
[1:19:58] » Any more questions? Mr. Manager?
[1:20:01] » Uh that citation for personnel has
[1:20:03] followed us for many months across this
[1:20:06] agenda. It is not accurate tonight. This
[1:20:08] is discussion with the town attorney.
[1:20:11] » Okay.
[1:20:12] » Discussion for
[1:20:13] » Town attorney.
[1:20:15] » Town attorney.
[1:20:15] » Yeah.
[1:20:17] » Okay, let me rephrase that.
[1:20:20] Thank you for giving that to me in
[1:20:22] timely fashion.
[1:20:24] Move to retire into executive session
[1:20:26] pursuant to Title 1 MRSA Section 405 6A
[1:20:31] town attorney.
[1:20:34] » So, moved. okay.
[1:20:35] » And again
[1:20:37] second Gordon second.
[1:20:42] Roll call.
[1:20:43] » Councilor Summers?
[1:20:44] » Yes.
[1:20:45] » Councilor Harrington?
[1:20:46] » Yes.
[1:20:46] » Councilor Street?
[1:20:47] » Yes.
[1:20:48] » Councilor Clay?
[1:20:49] » Yes.
[1:20:50] » Councilor Trax?
[1:20:51] » Yes.
[1:20:53] 5-0.
[1:20:55] Thank you for coming.
[1:21:07] » Are you going to need me after this
[1:21:08] executive session, or can I log out?
[1:21:13] » I'd like to have you listen to it.
[1:21:23] » What's that?
[1:21:24] » Uh Rick said he would like to have you
[1:21:26] listen to it.
[1:21:26] » I would tell you to listen to the
[1:21:28] executive session. I don't think there's
[1:21:29] a need to.
[1:21:30] » What did I not say? I want you to listen
[1:21:31] to what I said.
[1:21:32] » Okay, I can.
[1:21:38] » Now John's trying to say something.
[1:21:43] » Did you tell Steve?
[1:21:44] » Yeah, I told Steve uh what Rick said.
[1:21:47] » Okay.
[1:21:52] » Yeah, so it's just
[1:21:53] Steve and uh
[1:21:55] town attorney.
[1:21:57] » So, and I'm just about to stop the
[1:21:58] recording too, so
[1:22:00] » Wait.
[1:22:00] » We're going to save meeting just for
[1:22:01] you.
[1:22:04] » I did.
[1:22:06] Yeah, I'm telling you about it at
[1:22:07] another
[1:22:08] time.
[1:22:09] » I'm going to come to the staff.