1 00:00:04,163 --> 00:00:07,763 Speaker 3 (logitech): study session, september 1st, 2026. 2 00:00:08,467 --> 00:00:11,467 logitech: ears… oh, next door. 3 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:15,727 logitech: thank you, good evening, welcome to the city of wisconsin. 4 00:00:15,727 --> 00:00:19,116 logitech: special meeting from city council. Tonight's meeting will be. 5 00:00:19,116 --> 00:00:29,116 speaker 1 (logitech): televised and available on google channel 18, youtube, and zoom. Those wishing to address city council will be followed up on at the appropriate time. Those who submitted a speaker card will be called first. No speaker cards tonight, followed by those in the audience, and finally those attending from zoom. 6 00:00:35,656 --> 00:00:45,186 speaker 1 (logitech): for those participating through zoom that wish to provide public comment, please use the raise your hand feature, or press star 9 if you are calling in. 7 00:00:45,186 --> 00:00:48,560 speaker 1 (logitech): very good, thank you very much, and I would call the roll, please. 8 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,236 speaker 1 (logitech): thank you. Councilmember andrea? Present. Councilmember reedy? 9 00:00:53,236 --> 00:01:02,766 speaker 1 (logitech): not here for the moment, en route, okay. Councilmember brown? Here. Mayor pro tem eklund? En route. En route. Perfect. And mayor pearl? Here. 10 00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:08,766 speaker 1 (logitech): thank you very much. Jason, would you listen… 11 00:01:10,692 --> 00:01:12,732 logitech: I pledge allegiance to the flag. 12 00:01:12,732 --> 00:01:21,330 speaker 2 (logitech): of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty. 13 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:23,302 logitech: interest or something like that. 14 00:01:23,302 --> 00:01:25,800 speaker 2 (logitech): thank you very much. 15 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,300 logitech: I don't search for anything. 16 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:33,300 logitech: okay, perfect time. Go ahead and redo the pledge? 17 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,482 logitech: have them stand there, do it by themselves. Very good. Public comment on non-agenda item? 18 00:01:40,482 --> 00:01:50,482 speaker 2 (logitech): within the subject matter jurisdiction. Council speaker's time will be limited to 3 minutes, unless extended by the mayor. All comments and questions should be addressed to the mayor, and in most cases, the city council is prohibited from discussing. 19 00:01:50,802 --> 00:01:52,620 speaker 3 (logitech): or taking. 20 00:01:52,620 --> 00:02:02,620 speaker 3 (logitech): action on any item not appearing on the posted agenda may engage in brief discussion, provide direct city staff, or schedule items for future meetings. All right. We have thoughts? Anyone? 21 00:02:05,192 --> 00:02:06,872 speaker 3 (logitech): speakers. 22 00:02:06,872 --> 00:02:13,772 speaker 1 (logitech): we do not have speaker cards tonight. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to provide public comment? 23 00:02:13,772 --> 00:02:21,982 speaker 1 (logitech): see no one. Switching over to zoom, if there's anyone on zoom that would like to provide public comment, please raise your hand. 24 00:02:21,982 --> 00:02:24,720 speaker 1 (logitech): I see no hands raised. 25 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:31,102 speaker 3 (logitech): thank you very much. In that case, we'll move on to item 5, discussions of retail and industrial cannabis land use. 26 00:02:31,102 --> 00:02:37,620 speaker 3 (logitech): this is the city manager. Thank you very much, mayor. Good afternoon, city council. So, 27 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:39,872 speaker 3 (logitech): we have a slide deck for you. 28 00:02:39,872 --> 00:02:44,967 speaker 2 (logitech): and, maybe a couple little housekeeping items. 29 00:02:44,967 --> 00:02:46,467 speaker 3 (logitech): before we get started into the mute. 30 00:02:46,467 --> 00:02:50,227 speaker 2 (logitech): of this. So, first off, just so it's in the record. 31 00:02:50,227 --> 00:02:55,847 speaker 3 (logitech): in late june, city council had a strategic planning session, and established a number of ongoing. 32 00:02:55,847 --> 00:02:59,257 speaker 4 (logitech): and new priorities to focus for our upcoming work year. 33 00:02:59,257 --> 00:03:09,257 speaker 4 (logitech): which we're a few months into now. And, one of the items that was added to the priority list was the exploration of additional revenue generation, including, but not necessarily limited to, exploration of a program to zone for a permit, and regulate retail and wholesale cannabis activities in lincoln. 34 00:03:18,947 --> 00:03:28,947 speaker 4 (logitech): so I'm gonna go through a bunch… there's quite a bit to discuss today, and a lot to think about. You may not cover it all, and that's okay. One other little tidbit that, 35 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:35,647 speaker 4 (logitech): it's a little strange about this, is… 36 00:03:35,647 --> 00:03:39,937 speaker 4 (logitech): a few of us here, doug and myself and hope. 37 00:03:39,937 --> 00:03:49,937 speaker 4 (logitech): I think I'm safe to say that none of the three of us, when we got into our very different careers, thought that we would be working on cannabis in our careers, and all three of us have spent significant time periods of our careers working on cannabis programs. 38 00:03:52,217 --> 00:04:02,670 speaker 4 (logitech): so, although, like I said, it wasn't really something that I, ever thought was gonna come up, for… really since about… 39 00:04:02,670 --> 00:04:11,527 speaker 4 (logitech): the mid-teens. It's been an issue, or a concept, or a prohibition, or an accepting community. 40 00:04:11,527 --> 00:04:21,527 speaker 4 (logitech): sort of over and over and over again during all those years. So I wouldn't say that we're necessarily, like, the full subject matter experts, but I think the three of us, we've probably administered every version of program that, you're going to discuss today at some point. 41 00:04:26,207 --> 00:04:29,377 speaker 4 (logitech): so, maybe we'll go with the deck here. 42 00:04:29,377 --> 00:04:31,777 speaker 4 (logitech): and… oof. 43 00:04:31,897 --> 00:04:41,897 speaker 4 (logitech): I know. That angle. Okay, so I'm gonna cover some of this, doug's gonna cover some of it as well. We're gonna talk about… 44 00:04:45,297 --> 00:04:52,427 speaker 4 (logitech): how… a little bit of the history of how we're here today, regulatory environment, we're here at a state and federal level. 45 00:04:52,427 --> 00:04:55,377 speaker 4 (logitech): we're gonna talk about revenue, which is, 46 00:04:55,377 --> 00:05:05,377 speaker 4 (logitech): it was, for a long time, the sole reason that most communities even considered this. Business and operator selection, if you work at staps or program, how does that work? City operating regulations, and then, 47 00:05:08,707 --> 00:05:12,117 speaker 4 (logitech): hopefully, some direction from somebody else will work together. 48 00:05:12,117 --> 00:05:14,117 speaker 4 (logitech): so… 49 00:05:14,307 --> 00:05:24,307 speaker 4 (logitech): you could go back, actually, prior to the 2017 recreational, legislation, all the way back to 96, and up to 15 passes. 50 00:05:27,427 --> 00:05:37,427 speaker 4 (logitech): it's called the compassionate use act, and essentially, this was the medical marijuana bill. And, you may recall that there was a period of time in california from about 97 through… 51 00:05:39,897 --> 00:05:49,897 speaker 4 (logitech): oh, probably early, now, probably through about 2017, where, people could go to a physician and receive a, essentially a prescription, a card to, get cannabis for, for medical, use. And for a really long time in california, 52 00:05:59,737 --> 00:06:09,737 speaker 4 (logitech): there were… there were medical dispensaries that kind of operated in the gray area of the lot. Local land use, some places permitted them, many places they just kind of popped up. This happened in sacramento, actually, quite a bit in the late 90s and early 2000s. 53 00:06:15,827 --> 00:06:25,827 speaker 4 (logitech): where they were kind of businesses that were allowed to operate and ignored otherwise. That tightens up a lot during the, like, late 2000, you know, 00s. 54 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:34,777 speaker 4 (logitech): and then into the teens, cities start to really look at it as an economic development driver and a retail, possibility. 55 00:06:34,777 --> 00:06:44,777 speaker 4 (logitech): fast forward to 2017, the, ballot initiative passes in that year that, basically sets up the framework for a medicinal and a recreational adult use regulation. 56 00:06:51,357 --> 00:07:01,357 speaker 4 (logitech): department of cannabis control is, was, at that time, was referred to as the bureau of cannabis control, was a… the state agency that was responsible for licensing, and… and regulation at a… at a business level. 57 00:07:04,587 --> 00:07:12,677 speaker 4 (logitech): one of the cool things that the 2017 law did, that the league fought for, was it, it, 58 00:07:12,677 --> 00:07:22,677 speaker 4 (logitech): it would have been possible for the state to just say, hey, we view this as a normal retail activity, and cities will treat it as such. The league lobbied pretty heavily to retain local control on a jurisdictional level, to make sure that cities had a choice about whether they wanted this type of use in their community or not. 59 00:07:31,797 --> 00:07:40,667 speaker 4 (logitech): things have changed since that time. There have been, have been a few different trailers that have tightened regulations on operators. 60 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:50,667 speaker 4 (logitech): there's… there's been… the department of cannabis control has grown as an organization. They have enforcement agents now, they have, what they call seed sale, where they track every single plant from its… 61 00:07:54,737 --> 00:08:04,737 speaker 4 (logitech): beginnings to its harvest. They, have very strict rules about how things are packaged and the safety, 62 00:08:06,317 --> 00:08:08,667 speaker 4 (logitech): tops that we have on any of the… 63 00:08:08,667 --> 00:08:14,857 speaker 4 (logitech): things you may purchase, primarily to try to limit it from children. 64 00:08:14,857 --> 00:08:24,857 speaker 4 (logitech): and… but essentially what we have now in california is a dual licensing system. So if you want to start a business in california that's cannabis-related on any level, you gotta get a series of state licenses, and then you have to get local approval. 65 00:08:27,817 --> 00:08:32,367 speaker 4 (logitech): which is really what we're here to talk about today. 66 00:08:32,367 --> 00:08:41,347 speaker 4 (logitech): so, as I mentioned, broad local authority. If you're interested, I was curious, because it's always changing. 67 00:08:41,347 --> 00:08:51,347 speaker 4 (logitech): but in california at the moment, this is not an exact figure, but it's close, there's roughly 486 cities in california. Of those, 300 are still… it's still prohibited inside their jurisdiction. So about a little more than one-third now have some allowances. 68 00:08:59,587 --> 00:09:09,507 speaker 4 (logitech): you see that primarily in the central valley south of about merced. From about merced down to, essentially, the inland empire, it's a… 69 00:09:09,507 --> 00:09:19,507 speaker 4 (logitech): cannabis desert. North of here, you'd think that would be similar, but actually there's a number of allowances as you go north county and up. And then there's some communities that, are coastal in nature that have kind of stayed away from the time being, and it's… but it seems to change, every year. 70 00:09:29,837 --> 00:09:35,572 speaker 4 (logitech): yeah, so go ahead. So on this one, one thing that's kind of interesting is, so, when the state was going to. 71 00:09:35,572 --> 00:09:40,132 speaker 5 (logitech): through when they were creating what has evolved now into the department of cannabis control. 72 00:09:40,132 --> 00:09:50,132 speaker 5 (logitech): they took an interpretation of prop 60, prop 64, which basically was trying to take away, any kind of local control. So what they were basically saying is, let's say that you got licensed in oakland, then you could deliver to any community in the state in that community, because it had… it had… 73 00:10:00,202 --> 00:10:10,202 speaker 5 (logitech): an official license in oakland, every city was being charged with having to recognize that. So our firm actually took the lead in litigation and brought together, I think it was 74 00:10:14,122 --> 00:10:24,122 speaker 5 (logitech): 30 different, cities and counties sued the state, and got the state… so it never got to trial, because they mooted it out, because they came back with an interpretation that actually preserved local control, which was a big… which was a big, big… 75 00:10:30,632 --> 00:10:40,632 speaker 5 (logitech): and said that, no, there's self-determination with each city, and things… and with each local jurisdiction, recognizing the language that was in the local control measure that was in prop 64, that was somewhat key to its passage and how they sold it to the jurisdictions. 76 00:10:46,632 --> 00:10:56,242 speaker 5 (logitech): which is why even, like, folks who are decorative into communities, they're supposed to have business licenses, even if they have a… let's say we allow it. 77 00:10:56,242 --> 00:11:06,242 speaker 5 (logitech): you're still supposed to have a business license in a place that you're selling, just like I have to have a business license when I provide legal services in lincoln. So, this would be important, it kind of factors into the discussion, but, but local control 78 00:11:11,820 --> 00:11:19,317 speaker 5 (logitech): the state was forced to recognize local control kind of hesitantly, but it remains in a very effective sense today. 79 00:11:19,317 --> 00:11:23,837 speaker 4 (logitech): it actually operates, if you think about it, it's a more… 80 00:11:23,837 --> 00:11:33,837 speaker 4 (logitech): intensive process, but it's very similar to how abc licenses work today, where, I don't know, zach may do this now, but… 81 00:11:33,887 --> 00:11:40,127 speaker 4 (logitech): either myself or the chief sign off on an abc license, whether it be just for an event or for a bar. 82 00:11:40,127 --> 00:11:50,127 speaker 4 (logitech): you can't get that license without one or both of our signatures. So it's the one way where the state and cities do actually work fairly well together, where they will not issue anything. It's kind of like, you know, sending off the torpedo. You both gotta turn the keys at the same time. 83 00:11:57,207 --> 00:12:02,102 speaker 4 (logitech): sean, did you say your, your stats, did you say 300… about 300? 84 00:12:02,102 --> 00:12:09,237 speaker 6 (logitech): 100 other cities don't allow, but if you look at all the numbers in california, about a third of them do have allowance? Yes. Okay. 85 00:12:09,237 --> 00:12:19,237 speaker 4 (logitech): 486 or so, what the internet tells me is that 300 or so have either not taken a position on them yet, or have outright prohibited them. 86 00:12:21,997 --> 00:12:24,977 speaker 3 (logitech): what's the difference, then, between outright fraction. 87 00:12:24,977 --> 00:12:28,737 speaker 5 (logitech): pivoting, and just not taking… 88 00:12:28,737 --> 00:12:38,117 speaker 4 (logitech): it's less now, and doug might be able to speak to this, because he works in more communities, but there used to be a time where you would have dispensaries that were sort of 89 00:12:38,117 --> 00:12:45,567 speaker 4 (logitech): viewed as retail, but not necessarily approved as cannabis. Like, so they operated in a pseudo-legal 90 00:12:45,567 --> 00:12:50,167 speaker 4 (logitech): spot where the city could shut them down, but they chose to sort of just 91 00:12:50,167 --> 00:13:00,167 speaker 4 (logitech): you know, essentially look the other way. Some communities are much more serious about it. It sort of depends on, we'll get into the… what's really important about this discussion is we're really going to be talking about three very distinct and different things. We're going to be talking about retail, which is one thing. 92 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:15,847 speaker 4 (logitech): we're going to be talking about manufacturing, which is another, and… and then wholesale or distribution, which could be viewed as sort of, 93 00:13:15,847 --> 00:13:25,847 speaker 4 (logitech): and so some… the stats I'm giving you are retail-related. There are likely far more cities that have allowed manufacturing and other kind of pseudo-industrial uses, because they just view them differently. 94 00:13:30,747 --> 00:13:33,977 speaker 4 (logitech): and we'll get into that. 95 00:13:33,977 --> 00:13:38,637 speaker 5 (logitech): gonna address the question. So, like, one of our clients is city of newton. 96 00:13:38,637 --> 00:13:47,470 speaker 5 (logitech): it's prohibited. It's in the municipal code, it's a violation of the municipal code. There's penalties associated with delivering there. 97 00:13:47,470 --> 00:13:57,470 speaker 5 (logitech): you know, and there's no retail locations that are allowed… prohibited. Then there's places like angel's camp, right? So angel's camp, has taken more of a laissez-faire approach. They haven't prohibited, they haven't allowed it. 98 00:14:00,637 --> 00:14:04,117 speaker 5 (logitech): they're not preventing from people from doing it. Now, they would probably… 99 00:14:04,117 --> 00:14:14,117 speaker 5 (logitech): that has more to… and a lot of this is what we're going to talk about, is, like, your brick and mortars versus, like, delivery services. So they don't allow any brick and mortars to open up. That's what sean was hearkening back to, the medical marijuana, or medical cannabis days. 100 00:14:19,157 --> 00:14:29,157 speaker 5 (logitech): where people would just kind of, like, treat it like it was a smoke shop and pretend it's something that it's different. So, but today, when… when somebody… when we talk about taking place there, it's really just people allowing deliveries and… 101 00:14:32,297 --> 00:14:42,297 speaker 5 (logitech): not having ordinances on the books, and they just say it's fine, right? Unless you get pulled over because you're, you know, you have another issue. And then you have the third category, which is the groups who explicitly allow it, and then it's… and then there's the different categories of allowing it. And again, even in retail, again. 102 00:14:49,437 --> 00:14:53,827 speaker 5 (logitech): when you look at retail, well, we'll go over this, there's subcategories within it. 103 00:14:53,827 --> 00:14:55,307 speaker 5 (logitech): just to be clear, even though. 104 00:14:55,307 --> 00:14:58,247 speaker 3 (logitech): so, as an example, woodland prohibits. 105 00:14:58,247 --> 00:15:04,347 speaker 5 (logitech): retail establishment coming in. They can't stop their citizens from getting doordash to deliver it. 106 00:15:04,347 --> 00:15:06,267 speaker 5 (logitech): coming from a licensed place. 107 00:15:06,267 --> 00:15:15,707 speaker 5 (logitech): so no, they can… so technically, if they prohibit deliveries within the community, they can… they could technically do it. They couldn't prohibit somebody from going to a neighboring community. 108 00:15:15,707 --> 00:15:25,707 speaker 5 (logitech): acquiring it, and then bringing… and then bringing it into woodland and consuming it, right? But you could have a prohibition… you could have a prohibition on delivery. That was the whole case that we had against the bureau… except for medical, right? 109 00:15:31,247 --> 00:15:37,307 speaker 6 (logitech): which is what I just read on your screen, that sends them with medical delivery. Is that true? 110 00:15:37,307 --> 00:15:40,882 speaker 6 (logitech): or… I thought I read that on your screen. 111 00:15:40,882 --> 00:15:50,882 speaker 5 (logitech): there's nuances to it, right? Like, so you can't prevent people from growing it, right? And you can't prevent access to it. So then it gets into some… now we get into the whole caretaker law, if you have a caretaker going to pick it up, and then is the person delivering it your caretaker, or… 112 00:15:58,262 --> 00:16:08,262 speaker 5 (logitech): again, this gets really nuanced and stuff like that. Let's just say if it's medical cannabis, there's ways to get access to it through delivery that the city wouldn't be able to prohibit, but… but you have to have… in order for that person to be legally compliant, they have to have certain paperwork filled out, they have to carry that paperwork with them. 113 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:22,917 speaker 4 (logitech): it ends up being kind of… like, it's actually more of a practical issue than a legal one, right? Like, if we said… if I called zach tomorrow and said. 114 00:16:22,917 --> 00:16:26,357 speaker 4 (logitech): no… no marijuana delivery link in them. 115 00:16:26,357 --> 00:16:36,357 speaker 4 (logitech): he'd probably be like, okay, how am I supposed to tell who's doing that? Because it's not like they have 1-800-weed-for-you or whatever on the side of their truck. It's just people in normal vehicles, typically, a lot doordash, a lot, you know, any of these other kinds of things. And so, you know, the amount of delivery traffic we have, whether it be in amazon carriers, or doordash or any of the other things. 116 00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:55,547 speaker 4 (logitech): it's practically impossible, I would say. 117 00:16:55,547 --> 00:17:05,547 speaker 4 (logitech): and, you know, zach would probably also say, hey, we actually have some serious offenses we'd like to enforce today, so… so that… so, in general, there are some cities that take a pretty hard line on that, but is it… is it practically enforceable? Not… not really. 118 00:17:14,297 --> 00:17:16,297 speaker 4 (logitech): so, 119 00:17:16,777 --> 00:17:26,777 speaker 4 (logitech): why? That's really an answer, or a question for you to answer. One of the things I put in the report that I thought might help frame your discussion, which is kind of this idea I've been having about policy, that, like, when you're thinking about something. 120 00:17:31,957 --> 00:17:41,957 speaker 4 (logitech): think about the… what's the problem we're trying to solve, if there is one. And so, some other communities frame it this way. It could be about consumer access. You might be a free market person and just say, hey, I think people should have access to things that are illegal in california, and 121 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:59,700 speaker 4 (logitech): and we want to be part of that free market, and have our residents accessing what they want here versus elsewhere. Revenue was the driving force for the first number of years, no question. It was… 122 00:18:04,427 --> 00:18:14,427 speaker 4 (logitech): it was the wild west for a while, and there were tremendous opportunities and revenue sharing agreements in those days, where essentially the, the industry was. 123 00:18:17,297 --> 00:18:23,697 speaker 4 (logitech): I don't think this sounds right, but, like, essentially buying their way into communities on some level. 124 00:18:23,697 --> 00:18:33,170 speaker 4 (logitech): and by that, I mean… and you saw all kinds of crazy agreements. We've seen things… we've seen tax rates as high as 10%, just on a local level, not including excise tax and all the other things. 125 00:18:33,170 --> 00:18:40,957 speaker 4 (logitech): and then you have other models where it was percent of revenues, it was, you know. 126 00:18:40,957 --> 00:18:45,270 speaker 4 (logitech): based on the amount sold, 127 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:51,527 speaker 4 (logitech): and that doesn't just mean retail, it also expanded to the other uses. 128 00:18:51,527 --> 00:19:01,527 speaker 4 (logitech): so some communities decided to use that as a way to plug significant deficits. Some communities, for example, where I came from, we decided to use it, much like we used the arpa funds. 129 00:19:02,667 --> 00:19:12,667 speaker 4 (logitech): the concept was only for stuff we can't otherwise afford. We're not going to use this to run our business off of, this is to well-love the community. 130 00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:23,587 speaker 4 (logitech): economic development has increasingly become a thing as this… the industry started off with a lot of what I would call independent folks that had an idea and wanted to start a business. What's happened as it's become a real serious industry is corporations 131 00:19:28,367 --> 00:19:38,367 speaker 4 (logitech): large alcohol companies, corporate entities that are even listed on the stock exchange were starting to buy up and corporatize, essentially, the industry. I haven't followed it since I've come to lincoln, because we haven't really been involved in that, but I assume that's only increased over time. 132 00:19:47,467 --> 00:19:53,882 speaker 4 (logitech): probably thousands of small businesses has probably shrunk down to hundreds of large media businesses. 133 00:19:53,882 --> 00:20:03,882 speaker 5 (logitech): can I expand on that? Please, yes. So, one of the things that has come in is… so we'll talk about vertical integration, right? So that's when, you know, one company controls basically almost all of the levels. So the retail is how you get access to 134 00:20:08,862 --> 00:20:16,292 speaker 5 (logitech): you know, somebody who wants to buy, whether it's a medical patient or whether or not it's a recreational person. 135 00:20:16,292 --> 00:20:22,422 speaker 5 (logitech): and from there, you have two different channels, you know, through delivery or through the brick and mortar, right? 136 00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:28,212 speaker 5 (logitech): so… so what you sell, the score becomes… so if you control. 137 00:20:28,212 --> 00:20:32,572 speaker 5 (logitech): cultivation, so how things are grown. So if you cultivate it. 138 00:20:32,572 --> 00:20:42,572 speaker 5 (logitech): and then you process it, so that's your distribution, right? And then, you know, and then you manufacture it, that's the people who make, like, the oils of the vapes, you know, the equivalent of cannabis vapes. 139 00:20:44,462 --> 00:20:48,562 speaker 5 (logitech): and other, other products that, that are plant-based. 140 00:20:48,562 --> 00:20:58,562 speaker 5 (logitech): and then you sell it all in your store, and everything else you're selling in your store. Randy cookies is a really famous ranch. Snoop dogg or somebody's like… 141 00:20:58,682 --> 00:21:08,682 speaker 5 (logitech): and so you'll have brands around the stores in terms of, hey, we sell only, like, cookies and processed foods and stuff like that. 142 00:21:09,612 --> 00:21:19,612 speaker 5 (logitech): and so… and so what it has done is people… started off, you had a lot of people who were in the black market who were trying to convert over to the legal market. It has pushed those people out. Percentage of those people, and it's not a small percentage, because of taxes, have gone back to the… to the black market. And part of it is, some of these folks just weren't 143 00:21:31,822 --> 00:21:41,122 speaker 5 (logitech): suited… well-suited to being business people, and all the regulatory compliance issues and things that came up, or it was just a better business model for them for a lot of reasons. 144 00:21:41,122 --> 00:21:51,122 speaker 5 (logitech): and so… and so what sean's alluding to is because of that, and because of the investment that's come from it, even through, like, hedge funds that will open up specific funds to kind of invest in cannabis, you'll see large-scale investments in it that 145 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:02,782 speaker 5 (logitech): like a mom and pop couldn't keep… compete with, so it's like when blackrock tries to come in and buy a home. 146 00:22:02,782 --> 00:22:12,782 speaker 5 (logitech): right? They're offering all cash, they're offering 20% of upmarket sometimes, and then they'll buy up a neighborhood, and then they'll sell a quarter of the neighborhood and twice the value to their… to another fund that they own, and it drives up the price of the homes, and then soon people can't afford it, and everybody's… 147 00:22:20,202 --> 00:22:27,532 speaker 5 (logitech): so it's not… that's not unsimilar to what happens to the business when the big boys come in with more money than can do. They'll buy out. 148 00:22:27,532 --> 00:22:32,962 speaker 5 (logitech): the people who engine it, right? Or convert them into employees, have them work with them if they make good product. 149 00:22:32,962 --> 00:22:37,932 speaker 5 (logitech): and then it gets all consolidated, so you're seeing a market consolidation right now. 150 00:22:37,932 --> 00:22:47,932 speaker 4 (logitech): so, the other, thoughts, as you're kind of thinking through, so we went through consumer access, revenue, and economic development, and there was a time, although I think the argument's less valid today. 151 00:22:50,262 --> 00:23:00,262 speaker 4 (logitech): where cities were really considering this as a way to address some public health and safety concerns about the black market, so there was this kind of free market concept that, you know, you could go all the way back to prohibition with, I suppose, where is it better, if folks are going to participate in this activity, is it better to have it regulated and… 152 00:23:10,820 --> 00:23:16,172 speaker 4 (logitech): monitored, versus the alternative on the black market side. As doug mentioned, 153 00:23:16,172 --> 00:23:25,132 speaker 4 (logitech): I'm not sure that that has worked out the way that they thought it was going to, because it's different than beer or liquor, right? It's not easy to make those things. 154 00:23:25,132 --> 00:23:35,132 speaker 4 (logitech): you have to know how to do stuff. If you know how to plant a plant and generally keep it, you know, watered and in the right environment, you're probably going to have a yield. And fun fact, in california, although we can prohibit almost everything else, what we cannot prohibit is, I think under our code. 155 00:23:44,422 --> 00:23:54,422 speaker 4 (logitech): in california, you can grow your own, I forget the number of plants, 6, 6, as long as it's in an enclosed structure, and there's some small permitting authority that you have to get. And then the last one is local control, which is just, you know, this kind of bedrock concept of, you know. 156 00:24:02,762 --> 00:24:08,322 speaker 4 (logitech): in other communities that have considered this, the question they've asked themselves is. 157 00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:18,322 speaker 4 (logitech): when is the, legislative landscape gonna change where we lose that control and it just happens? And wouldn't you like to make sure that you've defined what's okay here first, before… you saw this with massage parlors years and years ago, where… 158 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:34,220 speaker 4 (logitech): massage parlors used to be super highly regulated during the schwarzenegger administration. The camt got to… lobby got to him, I think, or at least lobbied for a change, and there was a law passed that basically said cities, you can't shoot… you can't… 159 00:24:39,452 --> 00:24:49,342 speaker 4 (logitech): treat a massage establishment any different than a hair salon, or a nail salon, or aesthetician, or anything like that. It's the same personal service in their mind. So what did you see? 160 00:24:49,342 --> 00:24:59,342 speaker 4 (logitech): overnight, in certain communities, hundreds of these places open up its trip halls, right? So that's one other consideration, as to what kind of problems we face. 161 00:25:00,167 --> 00:25:06,627 speaker 5 (logitech): just add one more on there, too? Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, one of the biggest things is to basically have a record of who's 162 00:25:06,627 --> 00:25:16,627 speaker 5 (logitech): involved in the industry and your community. It's never going to be 100%, but it can be better than zero, right? And so, I think that has the potential of helping… like, in the cities that I work in, law enforcement likes to know who's licensed to be not licensed, so that they know across it, they know what to expect. 163 00:25:22,997 --> 00:25:31,657 speaker 5 (logitech): so there is some value in just in the knowledge and being able to separate out people who are trying to do it legally versus people who potentially aren't. 164 00:25:31,657 --> 00:25:38,302 speaker 5 (logitech): I have a quick question. I missed the, the connector between. 165 00:25:38,302 --> 00:25:44,341 speaker 1 (logitech): I mean, if we… if we did this, and then, like, with a massage. 166 00:25:44,341 --> 00:25:46,390 logitech: analogy, how does… 167 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:49,119 speaker 7 (logitech): just do it ahead of time? Prevent… 168 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,657 speaker 7 (logitech): when it's changed, or the regulations change, that everything comes in? 169 00:25:53,657 --> 00:26:03,657 speaker 4 (logitech): it doesn't necessarily prevent it, but if you already have an established market in your community, then it's already established versus… it's more of, like, a need. The door is open, and you have no control. 170 00:26:04,137 --> 00:26:14,137 speaker 5 (logitech): can I add to this? So, sb330 is a law that passed in 2018. It's in the development world, and it's about, you know, basically limitations that you can put on housing. 171 00:26:16,127 --> 00:26:25,687 speaker 5 (logitech): on new housing development. The rule was that if you had a law in the books like davis did, that you would have to go to any kind of development. 172 00:26:25,687 --> 00:26:31,887 speaker 5 (logitech): it has to go to voter… voter and voter approval. Since it existed before 2018, 173 00:26:31,887 --> 00:26:34,607 speaker 5 (logitech): it could stay on the books, right? 174 00:26:34,607 --> 00:26:44,607 speaker 5 (logitech): but after 218, you couldn't add anything. So, laws take effect in two different ways. Sometimes they recognize and grandfather in rules that were in place. So, if you have some rules in place. 175 00:26:47,557 --> 00:26:57,557 speaker 5 (logitech): then you might get grandfathered in, then sometimes they just obliterate them, and then… but everybody's playing in the same market at that point in time. But you'll have built-in… but you will have established rules in your… let's say you approved it, right? You'd have built-in retailers that have some market advantage, because they have not been established at that point. Right, okay. 176 00:27:05,497 --> 00:27:07,170 speaker 7 (logitech): so… 177 00:27:07,170 --> 00:27:17,170 speaker 4 (logitech): this is an important slide, because I think that the… what people might generally think, and what I would have thought before I got into all this, was. 178 00:27:17,497 --> 00:27:19,997 speaker 4 (logitech): well, you know, council passes a… 179 00:27:19,997 --> 00:27:29,997 speaker 4 (logitech): go change, and it finds its way under our zoning book, and people come in and start a business. The end. There's a lot to it. So, if you want to exert the right kind of control, and most communities want to make sure that if they're going to make this work, it is something that they feel pretty strongly isn't going to… 180 00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:42,277 speaker 4 (logitech): blow up in their face later. 181 00:27:42,277 --> 00:27:52,277 speaker 4 (logitech): we always recommend that, and, you know, council's done this for a long time here, that anything that you do starts under a pilot format, where you're testing out these rules and making sure that it works, so the program can wind down and 182 00:27:57,570 --> 00:28:07,570 speaker 4 (logitech): no longer be in place if it's not working, or if we have problems, it can be changed and amended easily so that you're not setting up something that may or may not work here. The program itself is… there's a lot to it, right? So, first steps would be developing an ordinance 183 00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:21,717 speaker 4 (logitech): we're gonna get into it later, but that ordinance is going to have to define the where, the how many, the what. 184 00:28:21,717 --> 00:28:31,717 speaker 4 (logitech): there will be application materials. We… doug and I have administered programs in the past where we're not talking about development application planning's used to, where, you know, it's… you fill out a couple pages and some plans, and we review it. This is deep. It's backgrounds on operators, it's pro formas, it's… 185 00:28:40,817 --> 00:28:50,817 speaker 4 (logitech): details of what you're gonna do, how you're gonna do it, where you're procuring it, how, you know, to the extent you're paying taxes or fees to us as a result of this, how are you paying those? In the early days, cannabis businesses didn't have banking. 186 00:28:55,687 --> 00:29:05,687 speaker 4 (logitech): they couldn't get into any fdic-insured bank for a really long time, so this was a cash operation. They would bring to cities, I mean, quite literally, hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, and you'd have to figure out how you were going to, you know, 100 grand in cash is a lot of money, depending on the denomination. 187 00:29:12,407 --> 00:29:22,407 speaker 4 (logitech): so, all of that's included in, kind of, the program development. The entitlement is a whole other part, which falls more into nita's department, where this goes, you know, through… this is a pretty standard and typical use permit process, where 188 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:35,470 speaker 4 (logitech): it'd be similar to a barg or any other kind of use that the community's gonna have interest in. You'll have that normal back and forth between the people that live in the area, different opinions for and I guess. 189 00:29:37,577 --> 00:29:40,377 speaker 4 (logitech): planning commission has to… has to rule on those. 190 00:29:40,377 --> 00:29:42,677 speaker 4 (logitech): ongoing administration, so… 191 00:29:42,677 --> 00:29:52,677 speaker 4 (logitech): inspections, compliance. The state takes care of a lot of the inside-the-building compliance. Ours is typically related to any kind of problems that may exist outside. 192 00:29:53,547 --> 00:30:03,547 speaker 4 (logitech): or, as we were talking about before the meeting, you know, some of… that doesn't happen very often because this is so highly regulated, and they have to spend so much money to get out of the ground, but you do periodically have bad actors that sell more than just cannabis, like we've had in some of our smoke shops recently. 193 00:30:13,687 --> 00:30:23,687 speaker 4 (logitech): specialized consultants, so, like, you know, obviously, the key issues that are brought up during the land use process are security, you know, is this going to cause additional crime issues in the area? We can… 194 00:30:25,327 --> 00:30:32,197 speaker 4 (logitech): get into this later as you explore more, but we… I have generally found that I have not seen… 195 00:30:32,197 --> 00:30:41,777 speaker 4 (logitech): significant changes depending on siting and the quality of the operator in terms of just spillover crime problems, like you'd have in a bar. Bar is, like. 196 00:30:41,777 --> 00:30:44,777 speaker 4 (logitech): way worse, typically. 197 00:30:44,797 --> 00:30:50,307 speaker 4 (logitech): because most of these places, remember, you're showing up, you're buying whatever you're getting, and you're going home, or you're going wherever you're going. 198 00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:52,887 speaker 5 (logitech): and they typically have a car. Right. 199 00:30:52,887 --> 00:30:54,577 speaker 4 (logitech): odor. 200 00:30:54,577 --> 00:31:04,577 speaker 4 (logitech): it's one that always is a big deal. That's kind of material, like, changed over time. There's all kinds of technologies they use now, carbon filters and others, to limit that, but that's a common problem. And then extraction safety review. 201 00:31:10,237 --> 00:31:19,857 speaker 4 (logitech): enforcement, so you have investigations if you have bad actors, you have administrative processes for hearings about revocation of 202 00:31:19,857 --> 00:31:29,857 speaker 4 (logitech): licenses, and then, of course, lawsuits, either the financial component of it, or them not acting the way that they should. Sean, what is an extraction safety review? 203 00:31:30,417 --> 00:31:31,207 speaker 4 (logitech): well, speaking. 204 00:31:31,207 --> 00:31:41,207 speaker 5 (logitech): yeah, so it's typically in the manufacturing process, so the process, I mean, they may have different machines now, because I haven't looked at it in a couple years, but it's very similar to how you extract olive oil. Okay. 205 00:31:43,517 --> 00:31:53,517 speaker 5 (logitech): but, depending on what technology you're using, some will use gas. So buyer's really involved in making sure that what you're gonna do is not gonna blow up. 206 00:31:53,707 --> 00:32:03,707 speaker 4 (logitech): butane in many of those kind of oil extractions, and so there's concern sometimes that, you know, it lights up, and it does. Not in a fun way. 207 00:32:04,207 --> 00:32:12,557 speaker 5 (logitech): the litigation component, typically… so we'll get into this a little bit more, but it's typically people who quit paying. 208 00:32:12,557 --> 00:32:17,587 speaker 5 (logitech): right, they're struggling, they get behind in what they owe the city. 209 00:32:17,587 --> 00:32:27,347 speaker 4 (logitech): what's happening for a long time is that businesses were coming in, and they were agreeing to, I think, objectively absurd agreements with cities, and… 210 00:32:27,347 --> 00:32:30,942 speaker 5 (logitech): some of us might just have been good negotiators. 211 00:32:30,942 --> 00:32:38,872 speaker 4 (logitech): it only works if we get paid, though. But to that end, 212 00:32:38,872 --> 00:32:48,872 speaker 4 (logitech): what's changed is a lot. A lot has changed. What used to be, sort of tell us what you want when you do it has really changed over time, because… gotta remember, like, 10 years, less than 10 years ago, there was maybe 213 00:32:52,772 --> 00:33:02,772 speaker 4 (logitech): 25 cities in california that had considered this. Now, quite a bit more, and more every year, and so it's not as scarce a resource. Although, one interesting thing, and I didn't mention it, it's not in the slide deck, but interesting thing about placer county 214 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,182 speaker 4 (logitech): and this isn't, 215 00:33:11,182 --> 00:33:21,182 speaker 4 (logitech): this is just what I've heard through the grapevine. There was a push at one time many years ago on the cultivation side of placer county, and my understanding is that the county at that time kind of took a… 216 00:33:22,872 --> 00:33:32,872 speaker 4 (logitech): no prohibition sort of perspective on that use, and this would have been many years ago. That sort of continues in placer county, not consciously, necessarily. So right now, there's one… there is one dispensary in placer county, it's in colfax. It's a small little house. 217 00:33:39,702 --> 00:33:43,902 speaker 4 (logitech): and, but other than that, 218 00:33:44,532 --> 00:33:54,532 speaker 4 (logitech): there's… there's nothing in our immediate geographic region, and the closest locations that you… that our residents would have to go to would be north sac county, probably. 219 00:33:57,492 --> 00:34:00,952 speaker 4 (logitech): but, what we've also learned 220 00:34:00,952 --> 00:34:10,952 speaker 4 (logitech): doug mentioned this, is that it's… your local taxation structure is one thing. There are so many add-on taxes at a state level that I think what happened was, for a while, the people that were going to these establishments were simply going to pay, because 221 00:34:17,842 --> 00:34:22,842 speaker 4 (logitech): where else are you going, right? And over time, as the market has become more competitive. 222 00:34:22,842 --> 00:34:32,842 speaker 4 (logitech): businesses that can't absorb all of that cost, or pass most of it on to their consumers, die. And so you've seen a constriction in sort of what, what, 223 00:34:33,572 --> 00:34:36,320 speaker 4 (logitech): revenue is available at the local level. 224 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,620 speaker 4 (logitech): and then. 225 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:47,620 speaker 5 (logitech): and that happens when… because I've had to enforce this, sometimes they'll sell to somebody else, and they won't have gone through the process, or you'll find out about the sell after the fact, and so then you have to go through the process of shutting them down. Yep. 226 00:34:51,512 --> 00:34:56,172 speaker 4 (logitech): so, this last bullet's really important, because, 227 00:34:56,172 --> 00:35:06,172 speaker 4 (logitech): you'd have to have… we'd have to have… if the council is interested, we'd have to have reasonable expectations about what kind of positivity from a revenue perspective you could get out of this. I don't think it's inconsequential, I think it's pretty significant, just because the market here is so quiet. 228 00:35:12,512 --> 00:35:20,620 speaker 4 (logitech): but the bigger question you'll need to get to later, if you ever want to really seriously consider this, is what do you use that money for? 229 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:28,112 speaker 4 (logitech): just dropping it as a general fund would not be recommended. What many places have done is they've upstaffed police departments, they've 230 00:35:28,112 --> 00:35:38,112 speaker 4 (logitech): funded, like, captain eaton has a special response team, they've done more of that, so try to address more community issues. Some of them poured money into, kind of, drug, education, communities I was part of, we, we would have recreation programs be essentially free for most of the community. Some value-add stuff like that. 231 00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:55,532 speaker 4 (logitech): so, doug's gonna speak to this, because this is really his world. 232 00:35:55,532 --> 00:36:03,232 speaker 5 (logitech): okay, so… when… I'm gonna… let's… maybe we should do… 233 00:36:03,232 --> 00:36:13,232 speaker 5 (logitech): can I go to the next slide? No, no, man, it's… I was… I'm gonna talk a little bit about the entitlements in order to kind of give a… a… don't go that. Yeah, maybe go the route. Just go to the… let's just go to the… 234 00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:18,220 speaker 4 (logitech): he went the wrong way. There you go. 235 00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:24,132 speaker 5 (logitech): so, just logistically speaking, for the revenues, you know, you could consider this a special revenue fund, so it's not… 236 00:36:24,132 --> 00:36:29,942 speaker 8 (logitech): going into the general fund, it goes into its place for a specific use. Yep. 237 00:36:29,942 --> 00:36:30,842 speaker 8 (logitech): yep. 238 00:36:30,842 --> 00:36:40,392 speaker 5 (logitech): I mean, the biggest mistake I will say, from a revenue standpoint that I've seen is folks who started paying ongoing salaries and use it to meet mou contracts. 239 00:36:40,392 --> 00:36:44,242 speaker 5 (logitech): because whenever there's a reduction, or when these guys 240 00:36:44,242 --> 00:36:54,242 speaker 5 (logitech): have a dip in business where they come in and say, we can't pay x amount, we have to pay a lesser amount, and you may agree that the market doesn't support them staying, you know, a higher amount, and you'd rather have them viable than go away. 241 00:37:00,382 --> 00:37:07,612 speaker 5 (logitech): then it just puts a lot of stress on your general fund. So it's… I think you treat pilot programs 242 00:37:07,612 --> 00:37:17,612 speaker 5 (logitech): as pilot programs, and then, you know, once you… once you… once five years has gone by, or something like that, then you can kind of reevaluate, but we do recommend, and my personal experience has been, you're best off using it for one-time expenses, or non-general fund expenses, and not just for yourself. 243 00:37:25,247 --> 00:37:35,247 speaker 6 (logitech): it's kind of like education and the lottery money. Instead of being just for extra stuff, like you said, school districts are already budgeting it. And then when it's not there, then they don't have it, and then, oh, where's our lottery money? Well… yeah, exactly. 244 00:37:38,962 --> 00:37:39,632 speaker 5 (logitech): yup. 245 00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:44,720 speaker 5 (logitech): so… so… I have done this… 246 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,120 speaker 5 (logitech): somewhat differently than a lot of people. 247 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:55,132 speaker 5 (logitech): I will say probably the most of the state knows copied what we did, so we were the first ones to ever put this program together. 248 00:37:55,132 --> 00:38:05,132 speaker 5 (logitech): it started… so idleton started off with just doing the development agreements, both the first ones, and they had a whole bunch of problems just with the development agreements, because 249 00:38:05,432 --> 00:38:11,322 speaker 5 (logitech): development agreements are not, you know, really designed for this use. 250 00:38:11,322 --> 00:38:21,322 speaker 5 (logitech): and the bigger problem with contracts is their contracts. If something goes wrong and somebody violates them, you've got to go litigate it, and litigation can take 2-3 years from right now. So you can be going through a litigation process. 251 00:38:25,642 --> 00:38:30,602 speaker 5 (logitech): that you, like, you have a bad operator, and their goal is to stall you out. 252 00:38:30,602 --> 00:38:36,302 speaker 5 (logitech): and 3 years, you have bad things going on in your community that you're having to deal with, and you can negate some stuff. 253 00:38:36,302 --> 00:38:46,302 speaker 5 (logitech): so it really started off in, like, oakland and berkeley, in parts of la. There wasn't a whole lot of, agreements or anything formalized, because that could be used as evidence in federal cases against them in prosecutions. 254 00:38:51,620 --> 00:39:01,620 speaker 5 (logitech): when ilden came around, they did the first development agreement, and then after that, we added the conditional use permit. And then, once you get to legitimizing it, the business permit just kind of comes in. So let's go through each of them. So, I look at cannabis in my way of protecting my clients and cities. 255 00:39:08,982 --> 00:39:15,452 speaker 5 (logitech): like an onion. So you peel back one, and there's another layer of protection that's underneath it, right? 256 00:39:15,452 --> 00:39:20,802 speaker 5 (logitech): so, so let's talk about why we use the different tools, why the different tools exist. 257 00:39:20,802 --> 00:39:30,802 speaker 5 (logitech): so I want to go to the development agreement, just because we've already kind of talked about it. The development agreement is the method in which I use to negotiate what we'll call public benefits amounts, because you can't really, like, do a classic tax, right? And so you negotiate. You're going to have this impact on the community that's unique. 258 00:39:38,452 --> 00:39:47,572 speaker 5 (logitech): and we're going to have to offset that impact if you want to do business here by giving back to the community in a particular way. So we're going to negotiate what we believe 259 00:39:47,572 --> 00:39:55,120 speaker 5 (logitech): that impact is. So if you think about it as land development, it's kind of mitigation, right? So mitigation of the impact. Because there will absolutely be 260 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:05,120 speaker 5 (logitech): more, police involvement, there'll be more staff involvement, there's going to be time spent, and somehow, we're not in the business of losing money, particularly for businesses that you're not otherwise required to allow to operate, and so you've got to recapture that. And again, if you're going to allow something, we don't need to allow… part of the philosophy is it should add benefit to the community. 261 00:40:15,692 --> 00:40:25,692 speaker 5 (logitech): so we memorialize in the development agreements the public benefit amounts and things of that nature, and ultimately, what's not represented on this is we would probably recommend, if you want to have a program like this, you backstop it with a valid measure that allows you to tax up to 15%. 262 00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:38,252 speaker 5 (logitech): right? So what happens is, if anybody ever gets out of this development agreement, or they try to sue to invalidate it, then you, then you default. 263 00:40:38,252 --> 00:40:45,432 speaker 5 (logitech): into a 15% tax, and I'll… I'll talk about how the tax fits in later on with compliance. 264 00:40:45,432 --> 00:40:55,432 speaker 5 (logitech): so this is… so the development agreement is how we memorialize our arrangement, right? But again, there's complications with speedily being able to enforce it. 265 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:04,242 speaker 5 (logitech): so, what can I do if I am a bad actor? That's where the conditional use permit comes in, and that's kind of what we added to the equation that a lot of cities have now adopted. 266 00:41:04,242 --> 00:41:14,242 speaker 5 (logitech): so, the conditional use permit, so you have two different approvals that you're required to have. If somebody now is not operating in a way that's lawful, or a way that they're allowed to do, consistent with our code, and with their agreement, it allows us to go in and pull their conditional use permit and to shut them down as quick as, like, 30 days. 267 00:41:20,822 --> 00:41:30,822 speaker 5 (logitech): there's absolutely a process that we still have to follow, but it's a public process. And even if they're in breach of contract, we have a remedy of getting somebody who's a bad operator to stop sooner rather than later. 268 00:41:33,672 --> 00:41:42,842 speaker 5 (logitech): because I can… as somebody who's had to enforce people who quit paying, for people who just decide to sell on the black market, for people who 269 00:41:42,842 --> 00:41:52,842 speaker 5 (logitech): lost their state license, you know, the state is still very slow in enforcing, and in fact, as you'll find out, they're gonna expect us to do all of the hard work. They're just gonna say, yeah, you're good to do it. So, 270 00:41:57,820 --> 00:42:04,352 speaker 5 (logitech): the conditional use permit is our vehicle to go in, shut them down, and then we can go through our legal mechanisms to be able to 271 00:42:04,352 --> 00:42:10,622 speaker 5 (logitech): to… to get them to quit operating if they don't comply with the replication of a conditional use permit. 272 00:42:10,622 --> 00:42:20,622 speaker 5 (logitech): and then, every business that does business in the city of lincoln is required to have a business license, and cannabis are no different, so… and we want to know who's operating here, and we want to know that they're in this lineup of work. 273 00:42:25,692 --> 00:42:33,412 speaker 5 (logitech): information is very helpful to police, at least in my experience, and so them knowing who's doing business here is really, really helpful. 274 00:42:33,412 --> 00:42:43,412 speaker 5 (logitech): and so that's how we get them registered. And that's where you'll have to look at, are you only going to issue licenses for people who have brick and mortars here, or are you allowing delivery? Which is another component of retail. And that will dictate who can get a license and who can't. Why is that important? 275 00:42:53,342 --> 00:43:01,262 speaker 5 (logitech): because you can get in big trouble and you can get fined if you start engaging in businesses in a city that you don't have a permit… business license to permit in. 276 00:43:01,262 --> 00:43:11,262 speaker 5 (logitech): so you can have elevated fine schedules for people who are, for instance, maybe… I mean, let's say that you decided that only folks who have brick and mortar in lincoln are able to deliver in lincoln. And let's say… while I think… 277 00:43:14,302 --> 00:43:17,322 speaker 5 (logitech): compliance is very difficult. 278 00:43:17,322 --> 00:43:25,322 speaker 5 (logitech): some cities have chosen to use part of the money to do stings, like, once a year or a couple times a year, or randomly, right? Maybe every three years. 279 00:43:25,322 --> 00:43:35,322 speaker 5 (logitech): and so you'll bring people in, and you can fine them not doing. So what happens? Everybody goes and gets a business license all of a sudden, because they hear in the community that, you know, somebody got a zap, and so the people who are delivering now go get business licenses, and you know who they're off. 280 00:43:39,132 --> 00:43:49,132 speaker 5 (logitech): who they are, and you can figure out whether or not they're legitimate or not. And the ones who don't are the black… are typically the black market operators that are, you know. 281 00:43:50,112 --> 00:43:55,377 speaker 5 (logitech): using counterfeit numbers and stuff like that to look like they're… that they're lawful operators. 282 00:43:55,377 --> 00:43:56,242 speaker 4 (logitech): I'm not. 283 00:43:56,242 --> 00:43:59,442 speaker 7 (logitech): would that potentially, or inadvertently. 284 00:43:59,442 --> 00:44:07,852 speaker 7 (logitech): increase success of the business in town, because you're kind of also eliminating some of their competition, and 285 00:44:07,852 --> 00:44:11,877 speaker 7 (logitech): and nasally enough to do better to maybe be more sustainable. 286 00:44:11,877 --> 00:44:21,877 speaker 5 (logitech): only if you're doing periodic stings. It's only effective in… I've only found it to be effective in cities that do periodic stings. Because people, particularly in the cannabis industry, we found… and some of it's an education aspect on their part, they're not really thinking about it, but once they see people get zapped, you know, if they go in… and business licenses are… 287 00:44:31,767 --> 00:44:35,117 speaker 5 (logitech): in the context of this, this is still very affordable. Yep. 288 00:44:35,117 --> 00:44:42,557 speaker 4 (logitech): and it really is a good analogy to use an abc license as a comparative, because 289 00:44:42,557 --> 00:44:52,557 speaker 4 (logitech): those are… much like those, these are such expensive licenses to receive from the state and require so much work and money. Losing them is really serious. We had an issue with the bar very close to here a couple years ago, and it was a big deal. 290 00:45:00,257 --> 00:45:06,817 speaker 4 (logitech): especially when, you know, an abc license on the open market is selling for $400,000 or $500,000 in some cases. 291 00:45:06,817 --> 00:45:16,817 speaker 5 (logitech): well, and the same applies here, because if somebody comes here and they get violated for not having a business license, and we report that to the bureau of cannabis control, it can jeopardize their license that they're delivering from. 292 00:45:20,257 --> 00:45:25,377 speaker 7 (logitech): to get more sales tax if the purchase is happening here in the delivery side. Correct. 293 00:45:25,377 --> 00:45:34,557 speaker 5 (logitech): well, you get to point-of-sale stuff, but yes. Right. Yeah. So the business license text is the most reliable when we talk about things that could potentially go away in the future. This is something that we'll never… 294 00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:44,557 speaker 5 (logitech): because it's still a discretionary act, there are ways to set the appropriate business license tax that's been there, but there's a lot of… it's not as straightforward as, we're just gonna have a business license tax. It's got… you really have to figure out who you're going to make it eligible for. 295 00:45:49,207 --> 00:45:59,207 speaker 5 (logitech): so that's the first thing. The most important thing is the public benefit fee, which is typically negotiated in the development agreement. And the backstop against that is about where a tax is approved. And again, the number we've used in every single city is 15%. 296 00:46:06,897 --> 00:46:16,897 speaker 5 (logitech): now, we've never had to invoke it, right? Because when you get the development agreement, it takes you… the public benefit fee exempts you from having to pay the default tax. 297 00:46:18,507 --> 00:46:28,507 speaker 5 (logitech): but what we also can potentially use it is the people who are delivering in the community who don't have a business license, who don't have a permit, who haven't paid the fee. You can potentially get them for tax evasion. You know, so, 298 00:46:34,292 --> 00:46:41,577 speaker 4 (logitech): and all this… all these products are also taxed at the normal sales tax rate, or whatever you have in your community. 299 00:46:41,577 --> 00:46:43,817 speaker 6 (logitech): just a quick reminder that we don't. 300 00:46:43,817 --> 00:46:50,187 speaker 8 (logitech): currently have a business license tax. We have a registration fee, so this would be an approved program. 301 00:46:50,187 --> 00:47:00,187 speaker 5 (logitech): I didn't think we did, yeah. And then cost recovery is, generally speaking, just like in land development, we make those who are trying to go through the process pay for the cost of the process, right? That's going to be less easy to pull off today than it was when we used to do it. So, for instance, one of the main ways originally that we went through is… 302 00:47:10,157 --> 00:47:18,477 speaker 5 (logitech): we would get so many… so I'll give you an example of the city of turlock, which we ran the program from. We ran a request for qualifications. 303 00:47:18,477 --> 00:47:27,167 speaker 5 (logitech): and to even apply and have us review your thing, you had to pay $25,000 non-refundable, because we were just trying to figure out a way to not have 200 304 00:47:27,167 --> 00:47:37,167 speaker 5 (logitech): applications to go through, and really get people who were serious, and we still got 28 to 30 that paid $25,000 for us to review and do our iq process. That process, I don't think could happen today. 305 00:47:41,447 --> 00:47:51,447 speaker 5 (logitech): so, but you could certainly make sure that the cost recovery for those who are approved, that they pay for it, just like plan development would, is part of it. But that's more of one-time cost recovery, as opposed to ongoing revenue. 306 00:47:55,817 --> 00:47:59,670 speaker 6 (logitech): I don't know if it was… zach, you might know this. 307 00:47:59,670 --> 00:48:04,257 speaker 6 (logitech): sacramento, or… I don't know, somewhere nearby, when this became a thing. 308 00:48:04,257 --> 00:48:14,257 speaker 6 (logitech): they opened it up for all these cannabis companies to go through the process, and they paid, like, thousands of dollars to apply, and then the county or the city, whichever it was, I forget, denied all of them, and they got to keep all that money. And I'm like, what a racket. 309 00:48:21,317 --> 00:48:23,557 speaker 5 (logitech): that was very early in the process. 310 00:48:23,557 --> 00:48:33,557 speaker 6 (logitech): so, to your point, like, you couldn't do that now, because now, but it's like, that's how… no, I mean… I mean, it's good, good work if you can get it, right? Like, to keep that going, but… 311 00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:43,452 speaker 5 (logitech): this is where you talk about, kind of, comparing, like, 2018 to 2026, or 2027. The landscape here has changed. 312 00:48:43,452 --> 00:48:52,657 speaker 6 (logitech): okay. Was that sacramento, zach, or was that… it wasn't the city. The city's been pretty much open arms to us since I'm gonna ask you questions about that in a minute. 313 00:48:52,657 --> 00:48:55,170 speaker 5 (logitech): it was accounting. So, that's what I thought. 314 00:48:55,170 --> 00:49:05,170 speaker 4 (logitech): back… back to types of business, and this will be something, when we stop talking here very shortly, you'll need to focus on a little bit, which is these various different types of things. Each one is unique and different. 315 00:49:06,637 --> 00:49:13,477 speaker 4 (logitech): some of them are very low impact. You know, if you go by most cultivation places, there's a lot of them in los angeles. 316 00:49:13,477 --> 00:49:22,467 speaker 4 (logitech): you don't have any idea what's going on in there. It just looks like a nondescript industrial building for all you, though. They could be making a widget of any kind. 317 00:49:22,467 --> 00:49:32,467 speaker 4 (logitech): that kind of… and these days, cultivation doesn't really exist very often, except for in rural areas outdoors. It's primarily hydroponic inside. 318 00:49:32,797 --> 00:49:37,927 speaker 4 (logitech): similar situation, you never… they don't want you to know what's going on in there. 319 00:49:37,927 --> 00:49:47,927 speaker 4 (logitech): and then, then there's these interesting businesses, which are not really related to the, supply chain in the same way. They're, they're, you know, there's rigorous testing requirements of labs. 320 00:49:49,347 --> 00:49:55,847 speaker 4 (logitech): those are interesting economic development opportunities, because they're usually high-paying jobs, and… and, 321 00:49:55,847 --> 00:50:05,847 speaker 4 (logitech): and typically, the entry point for kind of low-skill deployment is a higher dollar value for an entry-level person than it would be for other kinds of similar businesses. 322 00:50:06,786 --> 00:50:10,986 speaker 7 (logitech): falls under… this license agreement. 323 00:50:12,112 --> 00:50:16,991 speaker 4 (logitech): anything that the product's good touches, essentially. 324 00:50:16,991 --> 00:50:21,911 speaker 4 (logitech): so, as doug mentioned, mobile program is required. 325 00:50:21,911 --> 00:50:28,642 speaker 4 (logitech): we bear the cost and risk for enforcement, so the idea is that we're going to try to pass that cost on to anybody that may be interested. 326 00:50:28,642 --> 00:50:38,642 speaker 4 (logitech): we talked about the we love pilot program, we love them here at lincoln, because if they fail, we were just trying it out. If they are successful, then we just delete the word pilot. 327 00:50:39,661 --> 00:50:49,411 speaker 4 (logitech): and, and then, of course, you know, the way we design it, if you guys wanted to move forward, we design something that covers the cost of all of these 328 00:50:49,411 --> 00:50:53,382 speaker 4 (logitech): criteria here, entitlements, operating standards, and enforcement. 329 00:50:53,382 --> 00:50:55,592 speaker 4 (logitech): we talked about that. 330 00:50:55,592 --> 00:51:03,512 speaker 4 (logitech): doug touched on this, so there's a number of different ways that you regulate it. 331 00:51:03,512 --> 00:51:13,512 speaker 5 (logitech): but in each… I think the key there is you can start to get a sense of just how many decisions you actually have to make. It's not just, like, we're going to allow it. It's like, okay, what does enforcement look like? 332 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:25,720 speaker 4 (logitech): and then, this is the last slide, which is kind of just a start for your discussion. So do you want us to continue on this path and start to frame some things for you to actually review, I.e. Standards, codes, etc? 333 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:43,320 speaker 4 (logitech): should we preserve the option of a tax measure for a future ballot down the road? What business types have interested? And the most important thing, especially on a pilot program, in my… our kind of joint recommendation would be that you're really careful about limiting the number. 334 00:51:49,222 --> 00:51:59,222 speaker 4 (logitech): so, you know, I don't think there's any kind of theory as to what makes sense, but in a community of lincoln size, given that we don't really have anything else regionally, you know, I don't see a reason for you to consider anything over two 335 00:52:05,442 --> 00:52:08,297 speaker 4 (logitech): retail establishment the most, and… 336 00:52:08,297 --> 00:52:15,657 speaker 5 (logitech): at least two, though, because you… at least two, right? Because we've had bad experiences when… when just one has been there. 337 00:52:15,657 --> 00:52:24,370 speaker 5 (logitech): effectively, the second one tends to… one tends to police the other one. Right. So your best source of information is usually their compensation. Businesses of all. 338 00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:28,917 speaker 4 (logitech): times do that, by the way. And then, 339 00:52:28,917 --> 00:52:38,917 speaker 4 (logitech): what business types are of interest, and should the number be capped? So we talked about that, and then, what resources should be committed to developing costs and revenue projections on this, because the good news about having doug on board as city attorney now is that, 340 00:52:44,127 --> 00:52:51,207 speaker 4 (logitech): he has real-world, real-time experience of what the market looks like elsewhere, so we're having these discussions, we can… 341 00:52:51,207 --> 00:53:01,207 speaker 4 (logitech): I think it's going to be really interesting if we go down this road, because it's a little different than… if you're in berkeley, for example, where there's plenty of this all over the bay area, different negotiation. 342 00:53:04,667 --> 00:53:11,627 speaker 4 (logitech): here in south placer county, where your closest competitor would be, if you don't count colfax. 343 00:53:11,627 --> 00:53:16,897 speaker 4 (logitech): would be a 40-minute drive or so, maybe more. 344 00:53:16,897 --> 00:53:21,247 speaker 4 (logitech): this is a market that I think probably has some real interest, 345 00:53:21,247 --> 00:53:31,247 speaker 4 (logitech): tried to guess from the industry, and so I think the negotiation will look a little bit different. To wrap up, in your agenda packets, I included links to some code sections that other communities have used. 346 00:53:34,967 --> 00:53:44,967 speaker 4 (logitech): for you to look at sometime at your leisure. You can just sort of see how detailed they get and how specific they are about what's allowed and where. A really big question, and you may not want to talk about it today, but at some point, the most important thing is the where. 347 00:53:50,107 --> 00:53:51,667 speaker 4 (logitech): so… 348 00:53:51,667 --> 00:54:01,667 speaker 4 (logitech): yeah, so, like, this is the classic land use discussion. There's two philosophies. Some places have decided that retail and every other use should be in light industrial areas that are generally away from stuff. 349 00:54:07,977 --> 00:54:17,977 speaker 4 (logitech): and that was sort of a cautious way that we administered programs early on, because we just didn't know. Fast forward a number of years, there are, 350 00:54:19,777 --> 00:54:29,777 speaker 4 (logitech): there are establishments that you can go to that feel more like a apple store when you walk in than they do a cd, sketchy 351 00:54:31,207 --> 00:54:39,867 speaker 4 (logitech): spot that you're thinking of in your mind that I am, too. And so, what you've seen in communities… in fact, nita and I were in, indian wells. 352 00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:43,287 speaker 4 (logitech): would it be wells or palm springs? I forget. That was palm springs. Palm springs. 353 00:54:43,287 --> 00:54:46,997 speaker 4 (logitech): and we were in a very, bougie. 354 00:54:46,997 --> 00:54:56,997 speaker 4 (logitech): area, palm springs having dinner, and we noticed that a number of retail strip malls in this area, which had really expensive 355 00:54:57,157 --> 00:54:59,777 speaker 4 (logitech): furniture stores and nice restaurants. 356 00:54:59,777 --> 00:55:09,777 speaker 4 (logitech): had a cannabis place right next to it that matched the kind of style and quality that you would have seen of the other businesses. So it's sort of changed over time, where they've ended up in retail locations. The only area restriction, and I didn't check this before the meeting, you might remember off the top of your head, doug, is 357 00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:26,497 speaker 4 (logitech): the state does have one rule, which is, I believe, you cannot be within 1,000 feet of a school? You can make certain findings. 358 00:55:26,497 --> 00:55:27,997 speaker 5 (logitech): you have to make certain findings. 359 00:55:27,997 --> 00:55:37,767 speaker 4 (logitech): yeah, but the standard is the standard 600 feet from a school or daycare, I believe, facility. Or a place where children congregate. So parks, etc, right? 360 00:55:37,767 --> 00:55:44,497 speaker 5 (logitech): games. We got into a big flop with somebody of whether or not a vaskin robin is constituted, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 361 00:55:44,497 --> 00:55:54,497 speaker 4 (logitech): so, you know, that is self-limiting in a way, but 600 feet isn't as far as you think it is. And to use councillor reed's comment about the discussion we had at smoke shops a long time ago, is that if a 362 00:55:58,567 --> 00:56:06,127 speaker 4 (logitech): if a minor is going to go 600 feet to a cannabis dispenser, they'll probably go 1,200 or 1,800 or 2400, so I don't know that that… 363 00:56:06,127 --> 00:56:14,887 speaker 4 (logitech): I think it would… the idea was to try to at least not have them hanging out around our schools, or, etc. So, 364 00:56:14,887 --> 00:56:24,887 speaker 4 (logitech): that's, in a nutshell, a very complex issue that, you know, may take a couple times of us chatting about for you to reach some sort of step forward or backwards, but that's generally the landscape of cannabis today. 365 00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:31,122 speaker 5 (logitech): so just, just to add on, 366 00:56:31,122 --> 00:56:35,920 speaker 5 (logitech): let's just say today you said, want to do everything. 367 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:45,920 speaker 5 (logitech): go forward and make it happen as quickly as possible. You're still looking for about a 6-month to year long process to get everything to the point where you've got people opening up any food source and stuff like that. 368 00:56:45,447 --> 00:56:46,347 speaker 8 (logitech): probably longer. 369 00:56:46,347 --> 00:56:47,487 speaker 6 (logitech): so it's gonna take. 370 00:56:47,487 --> 00:56:48,137 speaker 8 (logitech): I guess… 371 00:56:48,137 --> 00:56:49,167 speaker 6 (logitech): probably… 372 00:56:49,167 --> 00:56:52,647 speaker 8 (logitech): close to a year to just get to the point where we could… 373 00:56:52,647 --> 00:56:56,322 speaker 8 (logitech): start entertaining the conditional use permit, which takes. 374 00:56:56,322 --> 00:56:58,102 speaker 9 (logitech): several months to get through. 375 00:56:58,102 --> 00:56:58,947 speaker 9 (logitech): so, this is… 376 00:56:58,947 --> 00:57:08,947 speaker 5 (logitech): I want to be realistic, too, about just, it's not like, having gone through this a lot, you know? It's not a… it's not a quick process, at least not unless you want to take a lot of shortcuts, and this, generally speaking, in my experience, is not besides shortcuts on it. 377 00:57:14,477 --> 00:57:17,287 speaker 10 (logitech): I have two questions. 378 00:57:17,287 --> 00:57:20,567 speaker 10 (logitech): number one, when you mentioned you want to have two… 379 00:57:20,567 --> 00:57:26,127 speaker 10 (logitech): operations. Is that two separate businesses, or is that two separate storefronts, or what… 380 00:57:26,127 --> 00:57:28,607 speaker 5 (logitech): two different businesses, two different sets of callers. 381 00:57:28,607 --> 00:57:30,657 speaker 5 (logitech): people who are not friends. 382 00:57:30,657 --> 00:57:36,657 speaker 5 (logitech): okay. You know, so you don't want one to really just be the sister of the… 383 00:57:36,657 --> 00:57:38,127 speaker 5 (logitech): right. Of the person's environment. 384 00:57:38,127 --> 00:57:39,627 speaker 9 (logitech): to each other. Gosh, worse. 385 00:57:39,627 --> 00:57:49,622 speaker 10 (logitech): absolutely, but then the second question, probably more for sean, or else can answer it. What sort of revenue are we talking about here? Well, it depends. 386 00:57:49,622 --> 00:57:53,352 speaker 8 (logitech): depends on the type of part, in part by the type of business that you want, you know? 387 00:57:53,352 --> 00:57:54,942 speaker 9 (logitech): I want that. 388 00:57:54,942 --> 00:57:56,807 speaker 8 (logitech): retail dispensary that's high-scale. 389 00:57:56,807 --> 00:57:59,337 speaker 11 (logitech): you're possibly looking at more revenue. 390 00:57:59,337 --> 00:58:01,527 speaker 8 (logitech): than, like, the motto. 391 00:58:01,527 --> 00:58:02,872 speaker 9 (logitech): building. 392 00:58:02,872 --> 00:58:06,567 speaker 11 (logitech): or if you're looking at, deliveries only, is that gonna. 393 00:58:06,567 --> 00:58:07,312 speaker 8 (logitech): to be more or less. 394 00:58:07,312 --> 00:58:10,542 speaker 11 (logitech): revenue than a storefront retail. 395 00:58:10,542 --> 00:58:20,542 speaker 5 (logitech): I mean, look, most of the revenue's gonna come on the retail side, so we're gonna have a disproportionate amount of conversation about that. It also tends to be the only one that ever the public would ever have any interaction with. 396 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:32,142 speaker 5 (logitech): the other interaction's pretty, pretty minimal, it's vendors, it's people picking up, it's people leaving, it's deliveries, it's, you know, you know… 397 00:58:32,142 --> 00:58:36,970 speaker 5 (logitech): stuff to either come in to make the product, or sending the product. 398 00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:46,970 speaker 4 (logitech): maybe… I know what you're seeking, mayor. It's… give me an idea. Here's an idea. In riverbank, for a period of time, 399 00:58:47,570 --> 00:58:57,570 speaker 4 (logitech): I'll have to go back and double-check this, but we… we were receiving somewhere in the neighborhood of $80,000 to $90,000 per month from our two retail 400 00:58:58,207 --> 00:59:07,527 speaker 4 (logitech): it's higher now. Is it? Okay. So, one of them was a really big operation that had a huge following, and they probably paid 401 00:59:07,527 --> 00:59:17,527 speaker 4 (logitech): 85% of that, and another was a smaller shop that maybe $10,000 or $15,000 was their public benefit fee that they paid the city. Separate of that, we also had 402 00:59:19,787 --> 00:59:29,787 speaker 4 (logitech): a cultivation, industrial, that was a whole other thing that, it's more difficult to come up with a number that makes sense, because it's not retail, but, 403 00:59:30,487 --> 00:59:38,807 speaker 4 (logitech): depending on the scale of the operation, you could… you know, there are some communities that have… that generate millions of dollars. I mean, I don't know what sac generates, but I'm sure it's tens of millions of dollars. 404 00:59:38,807 --> 00:59:39,682 speaker 10 (logitech): thank you, buddy. 405 00:59:39,682 --> 00:59:49,682 speaker 5 (logitech): so, dixon and riverbank today, right, probably make between $1.2 and $1.6 million per year from just two retail businesses. 406 00:59:52,520 --> 01:00:02,520 speaker 5 (logitech): for cities that are… that have lots of competition around them, there are about 20,000 people each. So you can extrapolate through, you know, from that as to what that would mean. You don't have a lot of competition here. You have a higher population. 407 01:00:08,372 --> 01:00:18,372 speaker 5 (logitech): one thing that we'll talk about when you take into your direction is delivery is going to be a huge topic of conversation, and how much you allow delivery can also affect your relationship with your neighbors. So let's say roseville doesn't want it, doesn't have it, they can get mad if you're… 408 01:00:25,422 --> 01:00:33,952 speaker 5 (logitech): if they find out somebody from here starts delivering there, you'll get… I mean, I know because I get the calls, right? They may come and 409 01:00:33,952 --> 01:00:39,147 speaker 5 (logitech): have not nice words with you, because, hey, you got your operators delivering here, and you don't want it. 410 01:00:39,147 --> 01:00:40,447 speaker 11 (logitech): well, what do they do on sacramento? 411 01:00:40,447 --> 01:00:44,947 speaker 6 (logitech): delivers. I mean, the lender delivers here. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 412 01:00:44,947 --> 01:00:47,207 speaker 5 (logitech): I just prepare you for the conversation. 413 01:00:47,207 --> 01:00:50,207 speaker 6 (logitech): yeah, no, I understand that. 414 01:00:50,207 --> 01:00:53,207 speaker 7 (logitech): the other cities in western counties… 415 01:00:53,207 --> 01:00:58,557 speaker 4 (logitech): as far as I can tell, there's no active 416 01:00:58,557 --> 01:01:02,947 speaker 4 (logitech): prohibition or enforcement of delivery in plasma. 417 01:01:02,947 --> 01:01:10,742 speaker 5 (logitech): roseville was the most active in terms of shutting down people who would just open up storefronts. Deliverings are harder to… 418 01:01:10,742 --> 01:01:11,967 speaker 11 (logitech): and… 419 01:01:11,967 --> 01:01:21,967 speaker 6 (logitech): this isn't my judgment one way or the other, but… but deliveries, I mean, on my street alone, fedex, ups, all the other deliveries, doordash, like, nobody knows who… you know, there's so many different types of deliveries. Somebody walks up to your door with a bag of product, like, nobody… they're gonna go, oh, okay, well, that guy's the… 420 01:01:28,857 --> 01:01:35,867 speaker 6 (logitech): coming from mcdonald's, but that guy's coming from the dispatcher. Nobody knows, right? So, like you said earlier, it would be really hard to… 421 01:01:35,867 --> 01:01:38,737 speaker 6 (logitech): to enforce that, and to know who's 422 01:01:38,737 --> 01:01:41,207 speaker 6 (logitech): yeah. You wouldn't want to know that either. No, you wouldn't. 423 01:01:41,207 --> 01:01:41,952 speaker 5 (logitech): I like that. 424 01:01:41,952 --> 01:01:45,162 speaker 6 (logitech): that's the point, right? You wouldn't quite… so… 425 01:01:45,162 --> 01:01:50,542 speaker 6 (logitech): can I ask a question now, mayor, where you're done? Okay, I want to know from… from zach, like, what kind of… 426 01:01:50,542 --> 01:02:00,542 speaker 6 (logitech): issues, because I've seen… I know we're one of the places in sacramento, there's a lot… I mean, it's, like, very nondescript, it's, like, high security, and there's not a lot of riff-raff standing around, but, like, what kind of, things have you seen that might be problems in… when you were in sac? 427 01:02:08,482 --> 01:02:13,832 speaker 6 (logitech): well, I mean, you gotta get the full spectrum. I've seen murders happen at these things, where you have. 428 01:02:13,832 --> 01:02:21,952 speaker 12 (logitech): I have asian gang members who decide to hit a same location over on 43rd avenue, but the couple murders that I've been to are literally at the same location. 429 01:02:21,952 --> 01:02:31,952 speaker 12 (logitech): so, I think it comes down to, one, the conditions that you impose upon the locations, because I can tell you there's other dispensaries that are in downtown sacramento that have never been hit before, and they don't even have problems from cultural service at them, right? So, it's really dependent upon the conditions, the security measures that are put in, how hardened the locations are themselves. 430 01:02:41,842 --> 01:02:51,842 speaker 12 (logitech): I do think there's some more issues that come with marked delivery service that we just talked about, where you get crews who will follow these cars, and they'll follow them home, and you'll have robberies of, 431 01:02:53,382 --> 01:03:02,852 speaker 12 (logitech): weed product, but that's where things are on… they're very well advertised. There's a specific location right off of, 432 01:03:02,852 --> 01:03:12,852 speaker 12 (logitech): highway 160, just after you pass el camino, and you're coming into downtown, it's right there on your right. Doug probably knows the name, but I do. It's a very nice building, and there's technically two. We don't have issues there at all. 433 01:03:13,967 --> 01:03:16,227 speaker 6 (logitech): I'm talking about, I've seen that multiple times, right? 434 01:03:16,227 --> 01:03:26,227 speaker 12 (logitech): I've never been or even, controlled a call for service at that location, so my opinion is that as long as it's set up correctly and the proper boundaries are put on them, that's what controls the problems that you have on them. Okay. Just in my experience. 435 01:03:31,227 --> 01:03:34,687 speaker 6 (logitech): right, okay, because that would be my next question to you. 436 01:03:34,687 --> 01:03:43,347 speaker 6 (logitech): seeing that, you know, you're gonna be the head of the police here, and all the things. And so, I know, talking to 437 01:03:43,347 --> 01:03:53,347 speaker 6 (logitech): doug, right? Our friend who wants to… dave. David, david. He was telling me, and I won't say a word, but one of his friends who's a police chief, who says in public, oh no, I'm not for it, but then they'll tell him behind the scenes, like, look, I don't care, you know, but I just can't say that publicly. 438 01:03:57,197 --> 01:04:07,197 speaker 6 (logitech): so I'm not trying to put you on the spot. That's my job, right? I really want to know what you feel about it. Like, do you think, based on your experience… now, that's not sacramento, right? And what you just said is very true, depends on what kind of restrictions we put, what kind of 439 01:04:17,697 --> 01:04:24,177 speaker 6 (logitech): please permit, all of the security, all that. Like, like they just said, it's gonna take a year to get this thing ready to go. 440 01:04:24,177 --> 01:04:34,177 speaker 6 (logitech): what is your actual opinion? Do you think that… that lincoln can handle that if we set it up right, and it really won't be that much of an issue, and it's worth the extra revenue that we could get for things? Or do you… your honest opinion is just, like, you would rather just not deal with it? 441 01:04:38,632 --> 01:04:48,632 speaker 12 (logitech): no, I mean, I think the mayor and, the advisor actually asked me this question at lunch, and I told him that I was in support of it, provided that the proper regulations are put in place, and provided that the pd has 442 01:04:50,122 --> 01:04:52,327 speaker 12 (logitech): input in the process. 443 01:04:52,327 --> 01:04:54,567 speaker 6 (logitech): I'm sure we would. 444 01:04:54,567 --> 01:04:56,670 speaker 12 (logitech): yes. But… 445 01:04:56,670 --> 01:04:59,302 speaker 6 (logitech): no, I mean, somebody has input. Okay, no, I'm just kidding. I don't. 446 01:04:59,302 --> 01:05:07,132 speaker 12 (logitech): if you asked me that question 20 years ago, I would have said something completely different, but the reality is, is the state has taken a stance 447 01:05:07,132 --> 01:05:17,132 speaker 12 (logitech): towards marijuana, where it is regulated much like alcohol, just like sean said. And so, I think the whole country is starting to move that way a little bit. I know they've even recognized some of that at the federal level. There's been discussions for that. 448 01:05:20,292 --> 01:05:28,222 speaker 12 (logitech): so I just think it's more of a 21st century stance, of where we want to develop that from, and as long as it's controlled properly, and we… 449 01:05:28,222 --> 01:05:38,222 speaker 12 (logitech): we will need to do compliance checks, and you can't do that using patrol officers. Right. So, you have to have a unit that can stand up, like srt, who does the tobacco enforcement and stuff like that. 450 01:05:39,567 --> 01:05:45,567 speaker 6 (logitech): I think it's really ironic to use the drug money to have the law enforcement to enforce the drug… I think it's funny. 451 01:05:45,567 --> 01:05:50,670 speaker 12 (logitech): it's no different than, I know. 452 01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:56,670 speaker 6 (logitech): no, 100%, yes, I get it, I get it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Okay, I appreciate that. 453 01:05:56,670 --> 01:06:02,207 speaker 4 (logitech): that is sort of hitting the news these days, and I don't really know where it leads, although I think I do, is… 454 01:06:02,207 --> 01:06:10,267 speaker 4 (logitech): the trump administration sort of made this push to reschedule cannabis from schedule 1, which is up there with the worst of the worst. 455 01:06:10,267 --> 01:06:12,947 speaker 4 (logitech): down to schedule 3. 456 01:06:12,947 --> 01:06:22,947 speaker 4 (logitech): many levels below. And that sort of sent janina signal that eventually, on the federal level, they were going to make… they were going to sooner or later make a policy change. 457 01:06:23,327 --> 01:06:24,720 speaker 12 (logitech): the question that I. 458 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,272 speaker 4 (logitech): I've asked elected officials in the past as a good thought experiment, is. 459 01:06:28,272 --> 01:06:37,982 speaker 4 (logitech): you know, old enough here. 25 years ago, when medical was approved, it was kind of shocking and crazy, and… 460 01:06:37,982 --> 01:06:41,472 speaker 4 (logitech): you know, different, and then… 461 01:06:41,472 --> 01:06:51,472 speaker 4 (logitech): recreational sort of happened again when that one passed. The question I have to ask myself is, if that's going to eventually happen at a federal level, what does this look like in 24 years? 462 01:06:51,472 --> 01:07:01,472 speaker 4 (logitech): I mean, walking into an albertsons or safeway, or something like that, and there's a special area you go to? Yeah. I don't know. I suspect. So, 463 01:07:01,902 --> 01:07:05,720 speaker 4 (logitech): and so the only idea is that if there's… 464 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:11,322 speaker 4 (logitech): there's plenty of con arguments. If there's a pro-argument, you at least have some modicum of control for now. 465 01:07:11,322 --> 01:07:17,612 speaker 10 (logitech): yeah. What's the situation with the banking? Are they able to do regular banking? 466 01:07:17,612 --> 01:07:20,322 speaker 12 (logitech): or is it still a cash business? 467 01:07:20,322 --> 01:07:23,937 speaker 12 (logitech): okay, just muted. Are you talking… say that and say that one more time? 468 01:07:23,937 --> 01:07:24,697 speaker 5 (logitech): thank you. 469 01:07:24,697 --> 01:07:26,937 speaker 10 (logitech): maggie's standpoint. Oh, yeah, yeah. 470 01:07:26,937 --> 01:07:36,937 speaker 12 (logitech): you can take credit cards. Yeah, it's just like any business. Yeah, you're not dealing in cash. That's… they moved away from dealing in cash for specifically the reason… so they don't give… it's a legitimate business. It's a license. It's legal. 471 01:07:38,937 --> 01:07:46,607 speaker 5 (logitech): so, I mean, realistically, 60% of the fastest growing population is the 55 and older population. 472 01:07:46,607 --> 01:07:52,947 speaker 5 (logitech): and, 60% of adults over into years of 21 have, used 473 01:07:52,947 --> 01:08:02,947 speaker 5 (logitech): cannabis, either for medical reasons or for recreational reasons. Yeah, but I never nails. Just like a cigar. And then, that doesn't count for animals. Yeah. 474 01:08:05,197 --> 01:08:13,182 speaker 5 (logitech): and so, when you… so it's not a question of whether or not it's happening, it's just a question of whether or not you want to regulate it. 475 01:08:13,182 --> 01:08:20,352 speaker 12 (logitech): I will add one other thing on that, too, is, if you compare just anecdotally in my experience in law enforcement. 476 01:08:20,352 --> 01:08:30,352 speaker 12 (logitech): how much violence we have at a bar that over-serves compared to a marijuana dispensary, the bar all day long is by far the higher, location and stats than a dispensary ever would be. So, you know, we talk about… I think I've seen maybe 3 murders at the same 477 01:08:39,342 --> 01:08:49,342 speaker 12 (logitech): weed dispensary in a, high-crime area in sacramento, whereas, you know, you pick any bar that, is a historical trouble location, I mean, the list goes on and on about violent crimes at that location, so… 478 01:08:52,552 --> 01:09:01,120 speaker 7 (logitech): we kind of touched on what, that there's a difference between the ones that get hit frequently, and so there's reasons. 479 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:07,922 speaker 7 (logitech): can you share what some of those are, why they're targeted more? 480 01:09:07,922 --> 01:09:12,622 speaker 7 (logitech): and, and then my second thought is, I think, 481 01:09:12,622 --> 01:09:15,912 speaker 7 (logitech): goes without saying that it would be… 482 01:09:15,912 --> 01:09:24,212 speaker 7 (logitech): it would be great if you had a report. I mean, I would imagine that you would put together, like, a list of all the things that would 483 01:09:24,212 --> 01:09:34,212 speaker 7 (logitech): be, recommended for us to implement if we were to do this on your side, and public safety, and setting us up to be not that. 484 01:09:35,372 --> 01:09:45,372 speaker 12 (logitech): yep. Yeah, I mean, I think just in my experience seeing the one I'm talking about specifically, it's in a very dark area. It's in an industrial area. It's really kind of on its own, tucked away, where there's not a lot of public view to it. 485 01:09:48,302 --> 01:09:58,302 speaker 12 (logitech): they didn't necessarily… do you know what crime prevention through environmental design is. Basically, it's lit properly, you don't have a lot of bushes around it where people can conceal themselves. So it's a… it's a myriad of factors, basically, of why this location, in my opinion, continued to get hit. 486 01:10:03,842 --> 01:10:09,827 speaker 12 (logitech): because I can tell you one that's 4 miles away, I've never been to a call service there. So, 487 01:10:09,827 --> 01:10:12,870 speaker 5 (logitech): cash payments. Yeah, exactly. 488 01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:22,870 speaker 12 (logitech): yeah, so there's a… there's a whole host, I think, between the experience that these gentlemen have, obviously, and then some of the things that I've seen in my career, I think that we can get to a place where we could, you know, if you choose to run a pilot, that we would put some good safeguards in place to give it a fair shot to make sure we keep our community safe. 489 01:10:32,132 --> 01:10:37,852 speaker 4 (logitech): one thing that we did, the program when we established. 490 01:10:37,852 --> 01:10:44,342 speaker 4 (logitech): my last city, because it was a very controversial decision at the time, like… 491 01:10:44,342 --> 01:10:54,342 speaker 4 (logitech): I felt the heat under my seat the entire meeting. I'm not sure… remember until I done it, I don't know if I was surprised. And, so the… and it was sited in an area of the community that was, the median income was very high, it was a very wealthy neighborhood, and… 492 01:11:01,672 --> 01:11:11,672 speaker 4 (logitech): so, what we agreed to do was monitor and report back to the city council for, like, I think it was on a quarterly basis for a while, any… any… even if there's small-scale crime issues that we had that were associated with the business. Whether it be, like zach said. 493 01:11:16,612 --> 01:11:22,562 speaker 4 (logitech): undesirables hanging out outside doing things they shouldn't be. Breaking and entering, theft. 494 01:11:22,562 --> 01:11:31,732 speaker 4 (logitech): violence, whatever. And what we actually found was that because of the security requirements that we layered on top of them, 495 01:11:31,732 --> 01:11:41,732 speaker 4 (logitech): crime actually reduced year over year in that area, and for the first couple years, we had zero issues. The first one we had was some lady went in to go make a purchase, and… 496 01:11:42,912 --> 01:11:47,167 speaker 4 (logitech): someone smashed her car window, stole a purse, which could happen anywhere, obviously. Well, don't leave your person near. 497 01:11:47,167 --> 01:11:48,667 speaker 6 (logitech): correct, yeah. 498 01:11:48,667 --> 01:11:58,667 speaker 4 (logitech): and then one other little funny thing, I don't know if I ever shared this publicly, but it's been a cares, was we start this program, right, and it's very controversial, and the women's club advised me to come do a speech to them, and an update, and… 499 01:12:03,177 --> 01:12:13,177 speaker 4 (logitech): that particular women's club, they're generally pretty elderly ladies, and so they're asking, they're very curious about it, and it had started, it opened, and they said, you know, it's a little weird, but we'd really love to have a tour. Would you arrange that for us? So I called the owner, I said, sure. He said, yeah, bring them down. So they come down, I couldn't make it. 500 01:12:20,557 --> 01:12:30,557 speaker 4 (logitech): calls me afterwards, I said, how'd it go? He's like, oh, they're really interested in how we've set everything up, and they're really curious about all the different kinds of products we had, and he goes, you know what? Almost every single one of those little old ladies bought something in lexi. 501 01:12:34,322 --> 01:12:36,312 speaker 4 (logitech): that's just crazy to read. 502 01:12:36,312 --> 01:12:39,307 speaker 7 (logitech): so sun city might be the best location. 503 01:12:39,307 --> 01:12:40,520 speaker 12 (logitech): facts that… 504 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,307 speaker 4 (logitech): that is a… would you find it there. 505 01:12:45,307 --> 01:12:48,547 speaker 6 (logitech): yeah, so here's… here's my thought. I… 506 01:12:48,547 --> 01:12:58,517 speaker 6 (logitech): what I struggle with right now is we're a long ways away from, you know, coming before us with a conditional use and deciding yes or no, do we actually want to put this in our community? 507 01:12:58,517 --> 01:13:08,517 speaker 6 (logitech): if the council feels like it's a priority for staff to continue working on it, then that's their… that's the council's decision. I struggle in the moment right now to be like, we have so many big projects that we're dealing with, I don't… I don't know if this is something that I feel comfortable with devoting a lot of staff time to right now. 508 01:13:17,737 --> 01:13:22,222 speaker 6 (logitech): but I mean, I just… that's… I just want to say that. I just… I don't know where I am with that. 509 01:13:22,222 --> 01:13:22,947 speaker 12 (logitech): it would kind of depend. 510 01:13:22,947 --> 01:13:28,557 speaker 4 (logitech): on how you want to prioritize its expediency. So, the good news is that 511 01:13:28,557 --> 01:13:38,557 speaker 4 (logitech): we don't have to make up anything. I mean, it's already kind of been made up. The process part of it, where the real work comes in is, like, when you put out an rfp or rfq, 512 01:13:40,587 --> 01:13:50,587 speaker 4 (logitech): you know, depending on how you want to structure it. Some… doug would probably recommend that in other situations like this, we usually have two council members that are part of that process. In this instance, I don't know whether your opinion's changed, doug, we… generally, that's not a good idea. 513 01:13:54,767 --> 01:14:01,677 speaker 4 (logitech): because what was happening in the early days is the lobbying efforts that were happening were… 514 01:14:01,677 --> 01:14:11,677 speaker 4 (logitech): in some places, we're crossing our lines, into places we do not want to be. Most of the work ends up being kind of on our side, negotiating with the party, trying to make sure we're packaging together a product that is 515 01:14:16,717 --> 01:14:26,717 speaker 4 (logitech): a project that's going to look nice for the community, it's not going to make people feel comfortable. Maybe the council, you know, look, we have a couple members here that are going to have perspectives. Maybe the council wants us to go have some discussions more broadly with the community about this. Hey, what do you think? What's been interesting about it is, you mentioned it's strategic planning. 516 01:14:36,197 --> 01:14:37,747 speaker 4 (logitech): no one really says much. 517 01:14:37,747 --> 01:14:42,470 speaker 4 (logitech): it comes up numerous times at city council meetings with numerous people in room. 518 01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:42,807 speaker 12 (logitech): that's all. 519 01:14:42,807 --> 01:14:43,552 speaker 10 (logitech): tray. 520 01:14:43,552 --> 01:14:44,307 speaker 5 (logitech): we have two people here. 521 01:14:44,307 --> 01:14:45,670 speaker 10 (logitech): straight. 522 01:14:45,670 --> 01:14:47,307 speaker 4 (logitech): I don't know how much people care about it. 523 01:14:47,307 --> 01:14:48,520 speaker 12 (logitech): but that's true. 524 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:55,212 speaker 6 (logitech): I guess once we do… once we do the rfp or rfq, whatever, and then applicants are paying for the process. 525 01:14:55,212 --> 01:15:01,592 speaker 6 (logitech): that's different than right now, like, we're paying for you to do the work when there's other priorities, and I'm saying… 526 01:15:01,592 --> 01:15:11,592 speaker 6 (logitech): I'm not saying absolutely just forget about it, don't do anything. I'm just saying, right now, if they're paying for the process, great, like, go through it. If… if… but if we're expending a lot of energy, but like you just said, you don't have to reinvent the wheel. I don't know. I just… 527 01:15:16,172 --> 01:15:22,562 speaker 6 (logitech): I just feel like there's really big priorities in front of us right now, and… but that's just my… 528 01:15:22,562 --> 01:15:23,307 speaker 12 (logitech): you bring up a good point. 529 01:15:23,307 --> 01:15:33,307 speaker 10 (logitech): one of the reasons I asked how much revenue we're talking about, because if we're talking about $100,000, $200,000, okay, then you're absolutely right. But if we're talking now into seven figures, okay, maybe… that, to me, that tilts the discussion, because, okay, that raises… to me, that raises things up, because the magnitude of what we could do with it, that's… that's not… 530 01:15:49,567 --> 01:15:51,932 speaker 10 (logitech): so I'm… 531 01:15:51,932 --> 01:16:00,332 speaker 5 (logitech): I'm with both of you, because… I… I'm pretty reserved. 532 01:16:01,102 --> 01:16:05,792 speaker 5 (logitech): you know, in that aspect about trend is. 533 01:16:05,792 --> 01:16:07,142 logitech: hmm. 534 01:16:07,142 --> 01:16:16,242 speaker 12 (logitech): safety and… I want to keep a community where it can be a community where kids can. 535 01:16:16,242 --> 01:16:20,372 speaker 5 (logitech): grow up with family-oriented type things, and to me, that… 536 01:16:20,372 --> 01:16:24,557 speaker 10 (logitech): and that's just… it's just in my own mind, a connotation that's… 537 01:16:24,557 --> 01:16:26,620 speaker 5 (logitech): just from, from. 538 01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:29,822 speaker 13 (logitech): growing up kind of thing, right? And, yeah, the whole… 539 01:16:29,822 --> 01:16:35,692 speaker 13 (logitech): country is kind of moving in that direction, but still, in the back of my mind, this hard-earned rule. 540 01:16:35,692 --> 01:16:38,542 speaker 5 (logitech): to get matched. 541 01:16:38,542 --> 01:16:44,542 speaker 13 (logitech): at the same time, with… revenues, probably possibility. 542 01:16:45,870 --> 01:16:45,847 speaker 10 (logitech): the human revenue. 543 01:16:45,847 --> 01:16:48,367 speaker 13 (logitech): we just have safety guards and stuff that… 544 01:16:48,367 --> 01:16:57,467 speaker 13 (logitech): we're presented on how they are running the business, instead of a little of that, at least for me. And then, of course. 545 01:16:57,467 --> 01:17:02,470 speaker 13 (logitech): because we're facing an issue where we have some 546 01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:09,372 speaker 13 (logitech): but there's shortfalls and different things. I can be open to it, because I believe that if we're in a… 547 01:17:09,372 --> 01:17:19,372 speaker 14 (logitech): place where it can be regulated well enough that it keeps the communities family-oriented and safe, then the money can be used for additional public safety things that we need, like fire trucks or… 548 01:17:26,362 --> 01:17:29,120 speaker 14 (logitech): or different things, like, so… 549 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:36,947 speaker 13 (logitech): I've kind of split 50-50, but I agree that I don't think that I want to have our staff spending our time and money on that. 550 01:17:36,947 --> 01:17:39,692 speaker 14 (logitech): unless it's a, like, a huge… 551 01:17:39,692 --> 01:17:42,187 speaker 13 (logitech): yeah, we can use somebody for our public. 552 01:17:42,187 --> 01:17:42,947 speaker 4 (logitech): safety. 553 01:17:42,947 --> 01:17:44,427 speaker 13 (logitech): well, I mean, I think, like. 554 01:17:44,427 --> 01:17:47,897 speaker 4 (logitech): if… let's set aside, 555 01:17:47,897 --> 01:17:52,107 speaker 4 (logitech): when it's right for, like, for one moment, and just, like, talk about money for a second. 556 01:17:52,107 --> 01:17:59,217 speaker 4 (logitech): I don't know, doug might know better than I do, but… my sense is that 557 01:17:59,217 --> 01:18:06,537 speaker 4 (logitech): in this particular environment that just happens to be slightly odd in placer county, that we're sort of a canvas desert. 558 01:18:06,537 --> 01:18:16,537 speaker 4 (logitech): the financial upside for a period of time is significant, because we'll be the only one. And that won't always be the case. I will guarantee you, sooner or later. 559 01:18:17,567 --> 01:18:25,257 speaker 4 (logitech): other communities in this… I don't know this for sure, but I've heard that other communities are starting to think on it a little bit, at least. 560 01:18:25,257 --> 01:18:32,527 speaker 4 (logitech): and we found that the ones that establish themselves first are successful, and the ones that are late. 561 01:18:32,527 --> 01:18:34,247 speaker 4 (logitech): I guess. 562 01:18:34,247 --> 01:18:41,582 speaker 4 (logitech): the ones that exist in zac's former jurisdiction, zac that have been there a really long time are still there. 563 01:18:41,582 --> 01:18:45,757 speaker 6 (logitech): so what you're saying is we'd be getting on the ground floor of this? If you want to do it. 564 01:18:45,757 --> 01:18:55,757 speaker 4 (logitech): if you want to do it for some sort of financial benefit, then that's… then now is the time to really seriously think about it. Delaying is okay, there's just, you know, a risk that. 565 01:18:56,247 --> 01:18:57,700 speaker 13 (logitech): I'm being honest. 566 01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:59,612 speaker 14 (logitech): I would be okay with pursuing it. 567 01:18:59,612 --> 01:19:04,682 speaker 13 (logitech): as long as I feel comfortable that the communities can stay safe. 568 01:19:04,682 --> 01:19:09,982 speaker 13 (logitech): in the process, because… because I believe the revenue is something new. 569 01:19:09,982 --> 01:19:12,912 speaker 13 (logitech): be very beneficial to our public safety. 570 01:19:12,912 --> 01:19:15,757 speaker 13 (logitech): and to our community. 571 01:19:15,757 --> 01:19:25,757 speaker 10 (logitech): you know, just listening to the level of expertise that we have here, I think is a huge advantage to us, because we're not removing the wheel here at all, right? They've been there, done that, so all they're doing is taking their prior experience, bringing it over here, and saying going, here's the new… 572 01:19:34,587 --> 01:19:35,297 speaker 3 (logitech): what are the new metrics? 573 01:19:35,297 --> 01:19:38,937 speaker 10 (logitech): and dynamics, okay, now we're gonna result from here. 574 01:19:38,937 --> 01:19:47,917 speaker 10 (logitech): but to me, the biggest thing was just figuring out what are we talking about? Are we talking about significant amounts of money, or, you know, or not? And if we are, that's… that's fine. To me, that… that moves. 575 01:19:47,917 --> 01:19:48,677 speaker 5 (logitech): the needle. 576 01:19:48,677 --> 01:19:57,467 speaker 4 (logitech): so, like, what you've primarily discussed today is retail, which is always the primary discussion, but the… I mean, setting aside the product itself. 577 01:19:57,467 --> 01:20:04,737 speaker 4 (logitech): the industrial manufacturing and distribution components are very real economic development options. 578 01:20:04,737 --> 01:20:07,520 speaker 5 (logitech): almost no… community. 579 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:07,677 speaker 13 (logitech): impact. 580 01:20:07,677 --> 01:20:16,837 speaker 5 (logitech): yeah. They're really just more of a public safety fire, depending on manufacturing, more of a fire thing, and then police can be involved in either… so let me answer your question, then follow up. 581 01:20:16,837 --> 01:20:26,837 speaker 10 (logitech): when you talk about a million dollars, give or take, whatever, is that just on retail for that layer on top of that, manufacturing and… correct. 582 01:20:26,917 --> 01:20:36,917 speaker 5 (logitech): you can layer on top, but most of the things… most of the revenues come through there. A lot of the cultivation and manufacturing has gotten consolidated in a few areas, so you could open it up, but we couldn't, like, guarantee that anybody would even take advantage of it. Cultivation's probably the… 583 01:20:42,247 --> 01:20:47,827 speaker 5 (logitech): most brutal. There's a lot of cultivators who are just going out of business, and then a lot of people are just going into, like. 584 01:20:47,827 --> 01:20:54,882 speaker 5 (logitech): literally, like, tiered warehouses like amazon. You may have, like, 3 or 4 mezzanines of just, like, hydroponic… 585 01:20:54,882 --> 01:20:57,647 speaker 10 (logitech): grow operations going. I've talked about this. 586 01:20:57,647 --> 01:21:01,607 speaker 13 (logitech): few community members about this, and… 587 01:21:01,607 --> 01:21:09,257 speaker 13 (logitech): they have expressed being in favor of it because of the raptiveness. 588 01:21:09,257 --> 01:21:13,467 speaker 13 (logitech): and so, not just workshopping it here, but, 589 01:21:13,467 --> 01:21:18,492 speaker 13 (logitech): getting a real feel for what's the whole community. 590 01:21:18,492 --> 01:21:28,492 speaker 4 (logitech): the other component that just… since I think councilmember adriana has to be here before she does, I wanted to just get one quick little temperature check, because if we're going to start to put some stuff together for you to look at. 591 01:21:33,272 --> 01:21:43,272 speaker 4 (logitech): that wear is so important, because it really is sort of a one or the other decision. It's either that you're going to pigeonhole them into pseudo and light industrial areas, which is an easy decision. 592 01:21:47,692 --> 01:21:52,232 speaker 4 (logitech): or, at least on the retail side, you take this more free market approach that 593 01:21:52,232 --> 01:21:58,697 speaker 4 (logitech): hey, if the commercial developer is happy to have you, good for me. 594 01:21:58,697 --> 01:22:08,437 speaker 7 (logitech): but captain aiden was saying that that might be, not an ideal place. If it's, like, an industrial area, then it might be more prone. 595 01:22:08,437 --> 01:22:18,437 speaker 12 (logitech): yeah, probably. It depends, right? Like, if you have an industrial area that's on a main road that has a lot of vehicle traffic, it's probably going to be fine. If it's tucked back, you know, 4 streets back in an industrial area that doesn't see a lot of traffic, and there's not a lot of surrounding businesses around it, you're only going there for one reason, and that's where you run into problems. 596 01:22:28,167 --> 01:22:31,697 speaker 6 (logitech): yeah, there's a lot of traffic. I mean, it's a bit. 597 01:22:31,697 --> 01:22:37,970 speaker 7 (logitech): what about proximity to, like, 65 and commercial? 598 01:22:37,732 --> 01:22:39,312 speaker 11 (logitech): so we did… we asked jen. 599 01:22:39,312 --> 01:22:47,577 speaker 8 (logitech): to kind of pull up a map of the city and highlight some of the digital news types that are currently allowed within the city? 600 01:22:47,577 --> 01:22:50,622 speaker 11 (logitech): provide some visuals for you. 601 01:22:50,622 --> 01:22:52,522 speaker 5 (logitech): oh, one… 602 01:22:52,522 --> 01:22:55,870 speaker 10 (logitech): when do you have to go and just removal? That's… I gotta be in. 603 01:22:55,870 --> 01:22:57,842 speaker 6 (logitech): rockland at 6.30, so… 604 01:22:57,842 --> 01:23:04,172 speaker 10 (logitech): okay, the only thing I was just thinking of, for you to be here, the sense of the council is, yes. 605 01:23:04,172 --> 01:23:12,537 speaker 10 (logitech): have the staff continue to explore and bring top-level options for us. I'd like you went on that conversation there. 606 01:23:12,537 --> 01:23:22,537 speaker 6 (logitech): yeah, I mean, I… thank you for that, mayor, appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm not gonna be the one to say, just stop talking about it, because that's what I told the residents. I'm like, I don't… I can't tell you how we'll vote in the end, right? I have a very conflicting, like, ben said, like, you know, like, I… I have my thoughts about marijuana, I have my thoughts about all of that, and personal experiences with family members and friends and all of it. 607 01:23:35,817 --> 01:23:45,817 speaker 6 (logitech): but I'm also not, government big brother, right? And we have… they have the right to… we have the right to go through the process, and have… and this is the first step of the conversation, and then see how our community really feels about it, because the years before this, lincoln has always been absolutely not, absolutely not. 608 01:23:52,977 --> 01:23:58,867 speaker 6 (logitech): so far, we don't… we're not getting that vibe right now, right? So, the conversation we've had, like, things have changed a little bit, so… 609 01:23:58,867 --> 01:24:08,867 speaker 6 (logitech): you know, I'm fine with staff going… I just want us to be careful that we're not spending a lot of resources spinning our wheels on things until someone else is paying for the process. But sure, yeah. 610 01:24:10,277 --> 01:24:19,737 speaker 5 (logitech): and just for your decision-making process, the biggest thing will not be staff time on the front end, it's going to be the time that they have to dedicate to making decisions. 611 01:24:19,737 --> 01:24:27,700 speaker 5 (logitech): and how much you want to… and how much you want to workshop that and do outreach in the community. That's… that's the first part. 612 01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:34,562 speaker 6 (logitech): well, I'm definitely for outreach to the community. That's always 100% first thing, so… 613 01:24:34,562 --> 01:24:44,562 speaker 7 (logitech): yeah, I'll get my two cents really quick. I've done a lot of reading and research on this, and I think that, like captain eaton, if you had asked me about this 10 years ago, I would have had a completely different opinion on it, and I can relate and empathize with 614 01:24:52,972 --> 01:25:01,372 speaker 7 (logitech): all, sort of variations of, of, acceptance and feelings from, you know, 615 01:25:02,642 --> 01:25:12,642 speaker 7 (logitech): addiction, to morality, to, free market, and, you know, just being realistic about the world right now, and where we are today, and where it probably will be without knowing for sure, with the crystal ball. 616 01:25:18,820 --> 01:25:28,820 speaker 7 (logitech): and, the benefits weighing the pros and, and the risks. And, where it stands today, I have also spoke to a lot of people in my district, and, 617 01:25:31,602 --> 01:25:38,432 speaker 7 (logitech): one person was kind of like, I just don't really like that, but I also get… 618 01:25:38,432 --> 01:25:43,962 speaker 7 (logitech): similarly to what I just stated, you know, that's the way the world is. And then, most people were like. 619 01:25:43,962 --> 01:25:53,962 speaker 7 (logitech): yeah, well, like, that's california, it's everywhere, you know? Is this really, like, a thing? Why are you even asking, you know? And it's people that I wouldn't have thought would say that, you know? It's like, moms my age, or, you know, all… it's just… it's different, so… 620 01:26:00,882 --> 01:26:10,882 speaker 7 (logitech): I think that, if it's done responsibly, it's not… and we're mitigating the amount of risks that we possibly can. It's not having an impact on the community. We're partnering, and we're also, you know, getting feedback from the community. I feel that it's… 621 01:26:17,712 --> 01:26:22,402 speaker 7 (logitech): probably worth it to, at this point in time, that we might have this opportunity. 622 01:26:22,402 --> 01:26:32,402 speaker 7 (logitech): because there isn't a lot in our area, but people are still buying it in our area, that, you know, why… why wouldn't we take the opportunity and, 623 01:26:34,782 --> 01:26:44,782 speaker 7 (logitech): you know, and financially benefit from something that's already happening anyway. We're just not thinking about it the same way. I don't think we're gonna change people's behaviors, necessarily, just… 624 01:26:47,820 --> 01:26:52,342 speaker 7 (logitech): where the money's going. So, that's kind of where I'm at. 625 01:26:52,342 --> 01:27:00,220 speaker 6 (logitech): I apologize, I do have to go. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, scott, for all your time. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, holly. 626 01:27:00,220 --> 01:27:04,222 speaker 12 (logitech): sure. I think that the, 627 01:27:04,612 --> 01:27:06,557 speaker 4 (logitech): one, I think… 628 01:27:06,557 --> 01:27:09,637 speaker 12 (logitech): all four should be on the table, especially 629 01:27:09,637 --> 01:27:17,372 speaker 12 (logitech): I mean, we may not have an opportunity to capitalize on that, given the market conditions, but I think all four important parts of the building process should be there. 630 01:27:17,372 --> 01:27:23,220 speaker 15 (logitech): on the retail side, I lean more towards palm springs than fort roseback and industrial park. 631 01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:30,742 speaker 15 (logitech): I think… and, you know, what I took away from it was the more light, the better, and a high-trafficked 632 01:27:30,742 --> 01:27:40,742 speaker 15 (logitech): nice retail center seems like pretty high traffic light to avoid the potential downfalls. And I think, to your point, I think there'll be people who will not like it no matter where it is, but also, if you're gonna do it and you're gonna put it in the spot that has the best chance for success. 633 01:27:48,242 --> 01:27:52,252 speaker 15 (logitech): and minimal impact of the community, I think that makes a lot of sense. 634 01:27:52,252 --> 01:28:00,587 speaker 15 (logitech): so, I mean, I would, to kind of holly's point before, I wouldn't say sprint, but I would definitely say, you know, mid-distance, you know? 635 01:28:00,587 --> 01:28:02,870 speaker 10 (logitech): deliver us all the love. 636 01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:09,482 speaker 15 (logitech): deliberate walking. Deliberate, yeah, fast walking. Those guys go pretty fast. They do. But that would be my sense. 637 01:28:09,482 --> 01:28:19,482 speaker 4 (logitech): mayor, before we put the map up, did you want to take a public comment, or do you want to do map first, then public comment? Let's do public comment. There is… 638 01:28:22,102 --> 01:28:31,647 speaker 1 (logitech): okay, is there anyone in the audience that would like to provide a comment? You'll get 3 minutes! 639 01:28:31,647 --> 01:28:33,147 speaker 15 (logitech): I mean, hold minutes. 640 01:28:33,147 --> 01:28:40,347 speaker 13 (logitech): and it's… and you have to use it all. 641 01:28:41,972 --> 01:28:49,102 speaker 10 (logitech): I didn't write it down this time, so I might have a hard time in 3 minutes. My feelings are not, 642 01:28:49,102 --> 01:28:49,942 speaker 16 (logitech): they're not a mystery. 643 01:28:49,942 --> 01:28:52,852 speaker 10 (logitech): I've spoken on this, like, I don't know, 3 or 4 times. 644 01:28:52,852 --> 01:28:56,967 speaker 10 (logitech): I hear everybody's, you know, the… 645 01:28:56,967 --> 01:29:06,507 speaker 16 (logitech): like, to holly's point about, you know, family members, you know, I have family members who struggle with alcohol, and you can buy that everywhere in this city. 646 01:29:06,507 --> 01:29:13,607 speaker 16 (logitech): within 600 feet of a school included. I don't think that… negates… 647 01:29:13,607 --> 01:29:23,607 speaker 16 (logitech): one, the financial benefit of the city, and two, the… just the fact that people should have… it's legal, it's a legal business, they should be allowed to have it in the city. 648 01:29:24,667 --> 01:29:34,667 speaker 16 (logitech): it's legal for people to buy it, they should have that option in the city. And I just think it's, from a financial standpoint, I think it's irresponsible to look at the amount of revenue that other cities make. The example I gave before, marysville, 2020-2021 fiscal year is $978,000. They have 12,000 people. 649 01:29:42,277 --> 01:29:45,427 speaker 16 (logitech): they have 3 quarters the number of police officers we do. 650 01:29:45,427 --> 01:29:51,637 speaker 16 (logitech): for her, like… biff of the, of the, of the population. 651 01:29:51,637 --> 01:30:01,637 speaker 16 (logitech): there's a lot of benefits. Are there negatives? Of course. There's negatives to putting a toy store in the… on the corner, you know, so there… that… I don't… 652 01:30:02,137 --> 01:30:12,137 speaker 16 (logitech): I understand the negatives, and there are… there's always been… there's been a stigma on it for a long time, but, I… I think… 653 01:30:12,177 --> 01:30:17,127 speaker 16 (logitech): you know, to… I don't know who made the point, might have been sean, that… 654 01:30:17,127 --> 01:30:27,127 speaker 16 (logitech): that stigma is slowly going away, and while it's too late to get on the ground floor, because the ground floor has been built, but we can still get in one of the prime… the prime suites, before the stigma is completely gone, and the opportunity for 655 01:30:32,267 --> 01:30:35,347 speaker 16 (logitech): that revenue is going to be gone. 656 01:30:35,347 --> 01:30:41,297 speaker 16 (logitech): and I understand everybody's, you know, the moral, all that, 657 01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:51,297 speaker 16 (logitech): I would say that, in my personal opinion, as a city council, it should be more about what's best for the city before your own moral, stance on it. 658 01:30:51,957 --> 01:30:55,437 speaker 16 (logitech): thank you, jc. Thank you. I was close enough. 659 01:30:55,437 --> 01:30:57,832 speaker 16 (logitech): I'm alexander. 660 01:30:57,832 --> 01:31:03,870 speaker 16 (logitech): I could say something else. Like a minute. 661 01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:04,587 speaker 13 (logitech): we'll give you an extra 30 seconds. 662 01:31:04,587 --> 01:31:05,332 speaker 10 (logitech): so I'm just… 663 01:31:05,332 --> 01:31:08,327 speaker 14 (logitech): don't do that. Okay. 664 01:31:08,327 --> 01:31:18,327 speaker 1 (logitech): anyone else? So, I do see a few people on zoom. If there's anyone on zoom that would like to provide public comment, please raise your hand. 665 01:31:19,227 --> 01:31:21,347 speaker 1 (logitech): I see no hands raised. Okay. 666 01:31:21,347 --> 01:31:22,232 speaker 12 (logitech): thank you. 667 01:31:22,232 --> 01:31:28,832 speaker 10 (logitech): in that case, sean, we'll turn it… jennifer? 668 01:31:35,432 --> 01:31:38,432 speaker 8 (logitech): so, here we, 669 01:31:39,852 --> 01:31:49,852 speaker 1 (logitech): the past. This, blue dashed line is the current city limits. The gray areas are our sphere of influence, our areas that would be annexed. 670 01:31:51,452 --> 01:31:56,877 speaker 8 (logitech): the green tree dots are parks, the purple. 671 01:31:56,877 --> 01:31:57,887 speaker 1 (logitech): things are schools. 672 01:31:57,887 --> 01:32:04,907 speaker 7 (logitech): of different kinds, if they're elementary, middle, or… high school or charter schools. 673 01:32:04,907 --> 01:32:10,782 speaker 1 (logitech): I didn't know about the daycare thing, I could add that later. 674 01:32:10,782 --> 01:32:13,762 speaker 1 (logitech): but we have, 675 01:32:13,762 --> 01:32:18,582 speaker 1 (logitech): different types of land use. So, if you look at this, like, I don't know what you want to call it, this salmon. 676 01:32:18,582 --> 01:32:28,582 speaker 17 (logitech): color. This is commercial. Anything that is, like, a light blue is a public facility. It could be a school facility or city hall, anything that's a public facility. 677 01:32:30,542 --> 01:32:35,942 speaker 17 (logitech): the, purple is, light industrial. Industrial, is… 678 01:32:37,112 --> 01:32:42,972 speaker 17 (logitech): I don't know what you want to call this, pink. And, 679 01:32:42,972 --> 01:32:52,972 speaker 17 (logitech): so, there's areas scattered around the city. If you wanted to zoom in here to, like, toll corda's area first, you see we have, this 680 01:32:53,362 --> 01:33:00,482 speaker 17 (logitech): area that's, like, in beige. This is, like, an employment center side slash commercial type use. 681 01:33:00,482 --> 01:33:04,642 speaker 17 (logitech): in that, you'll have, like, regular commercial. This is… 682 01:33:04,642 --> 01:33:14,642 speaker 17 (logitech): like, the gas… the new gas station is here, and then that's gonna be where the new, retail… colbert's retail center. Colbert's retail center is gonna go, so that's kind of strip molly, kind of… 683 01:33:17,572 --> 01:33:22,622 speaker 17 (logitech): and then at the same time, you have, you know… 684 01:33:22,622 --> 01:33:31,292 speaker 17 (logitech): ferrari pavilion commercial here, which is… strip mall was gonna have a daycare, so then that would… 685 01:33:31,292 --> 01:33:35,637 speaker 11 (logitech): I think they lost that to them. Oh, they did? I think so. Okay. 686 01:33:35,637 --> 01:33:42,957 speaker 17 (logitech): but that's commercial. So, the difference between the employment center and the commercial so, select your. 687 01:33:42,957 --> 01:33:52,957 speaker 4 (logitech): commercial corridors that, like, so that 12 bridges retail center, that's probably out of play, at least the one right across the street, that's… high school figure. That roadway is probably… 688 01:33:54,327 --> 01:34:04,327 speaker 4 (logitech): 220 feet at the end, so you're… you're within. Those… some of those areas that are further down, you know, towards joyner, probably, are… are… would be in play. Most of your lincoln, boulevard commercial corridor, doesn't have much 689 01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:23,370 speaker 4 (logitech): school or daycare use around it, except for certain key areas. What you probably end up seeing is, we've seen in other places, is you see one smaller mom and pop that ends up in your downtown somewhere. 690 01:34:27,287 --> 01:34:35,627 speaker 4 (logitech): and then you see one more well-funded corporate entity in one of your retail centers somewhere, usually. 691 01:34:35,627 --> 01:34:45,627 speaker 4 (logitech): and they… they serve sort of a different clientele. Some of them are more like a walmart of marijuana, and others are more like a boutique, kind of hippie, cool place to go head-cop sort of vibe. 692 01:34:48,357 --> 01:34:51,377 speaker 4 (logitech): I don't know why I lived that way, but… 693 01:34:51,377 --> 01:34:52,122 speaker 15 (logitech): oh. 694 01:34:52,122 --> 01:34:53,622 speaker 10 (logitech): that's a lot. 695 01:34:53,622 --> 01:34:54,377 speaker 10 (logitech): I'll talk. 696 01:34:54,377 --> 01:34:55,877 speaker 4 (logitech): that's so wumble. 697 01:34:55,877 --> 01:34:59,677 speaker 15 (logitech): we've got a lot of good sound heights tonight. 698 01:34:59,677 --> 01:35:02,622 speaker 4 (logitech): I shouldn't have recorded this, hope. 699 01:35:02,622 --> 01:35:04,117 speaker 12 (logitech): required. 700 01:35:04,117 --> 01:35:13,167 speaker 4 (logitech): and then, of course, you have, you have village 5. And what I'll tell you is that the big retail developers, 701 01:35:13,167 --> 01:35:18,967 speaker 4 (logitech): really, their view of this use has changed over time. It used to be they wanted nothing to do with it. 702 01:35:18,967 --> 01:35:27,837 speaker 4 (logitech): they didn't want… many of their corporate entities that are their big money makers they lease to don't want to be in the same center as something like this. That's changed. 703 01:35:27,837 --> 01:35:34,887 speaker 4 (logitech): we're seeing more of that, it's just becoming an integrated thing. 704 01:35:34,887 --> 01:35:37,127 speaker 5 (logitech): I think they can tell you, please. 705 01:35:37,127 --> 01:35:38,787 speaker 4 (logitech): you just have to pay a lot more rent. 706 01:35:38,787 --> 01:35:42,242 speaker 15 (logitech): from the most commonly wine. Exactly. 707 01:35:42,242 --> 01:35:51,912 speaker 4 (logitech): so, I mean, it sounds to me like the, you know, let's just following up right now, that the council's view of it is to take a broader view of location versus… 708 01:35:51,912 --> 01:35:56,112 speaker 4 (logitech): pigeonholing it somewhere dark and red. 709 01:35:56,112 --> 01:35:57,352 speaker 4 (logitech): okay. 710 01:35:57,352 --> 01:35:59,220 speaker 4 (logitech): we can work with that. 711 01:35:59,220 --> 01:36:05,472 speaker 4 (logitech): and then, I guess the only other thing related to use would be, 712 01:36:05,472 --> 01:36:15,472 speaker 4 (logitech): I don't think we need to talk about land use as it relates to the other types of uses, because those, to me, make a lot more sense in light industrial and industrial areas, because it just should be rare anyway, so it'd be pretty simple. 713 01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,312 speaker 4 (logitech): so for next steps… 714 01:36:19,312 --> 01:36:29,312 speaker 4 (logitech): what we probably would recommend, we'll do some outreach and have some of these discussions just, generally, kind of like they've done with the measure, where we'll just bring it up as we're out there talking to the community. 715 01:36:29,492 --> 01:36:36,362 speaker 4 (logitech): get generalized feedback. And then, I think what we may do is… 716 01:36:36,362 --> 01:36:46,362 speaker 4 (logitech): doug and I can work on some very rough drafts of ordinances and pilot programs to present to you. Question for council is, would you rather do it in a workshop setting like this? 717 01:36:47,562 --> 01:36:54,832 speaker 4 (logitech): which has some advantages, and then it's a little formal. So some disadvantages, because it's more difficult to get people to pay attention and attend. 718 01:36:54,832 --> 01:37:00,652 speaker 4 (logitech): or would you just rather have this discussion at city council meeting? 719 01:37:00,652 --> 01:37:04,127 speaker 4 (logitech): it's fine. It'll eventually get to you there. 720 01:37:04,127 --> 01:37:06,552 speaker 10 (logitech): I'm here for the flexibility. 721 01:37:06,552 --> 01:37:07,687 speaker 12 (logitech): we're going through… 722 01:37:07,687 --> 01:37:08,937 speaker 15 (logitech): okay. 723 01:37:08,937 --> 01:37:18,137 speaker 15 (logitech): built a matrix of those three, you know, ordinances of what was in each or whatever, and that feels like a more informal discussion to kind of go through together those? Yep. 724 01:37:18,137 --> 01:37:22,127 speaker 15 (logitech): but what we'll do is… and by then, you know, people who are engaged will know. 725 01:37:22,127 --> 01:37:32,127 speaker 4 (logitech): and we'll do a better job this next time. We'll… just to… I'd rather… I really appreciate holly's comments about, sort of, the load we're carrying at the moment, but I'm kind of of a mind that, like, once we've… we see a path here, which it sounds like we do, I'd rather just knock it out. Next workshop 726 01:37:43,137 --> 01:37:53,137 speaker 4 (logitech): you know, regularly scheduled one next month, we just come and next meeting, we'll be going through code sections, getting into detail, but it'll be with fully fled… well, pretty fully-fledged documents that you can say, great, and then we'll schedule them for council approvals. 727 01:37:58,522 --> 01:38:08,522 speaker 7 (logitech): it's easier for people to catch wind of it, I think, when… versus trying to track something that's, like, months apart, too. Like, you know, it's all kind of consecutive, but it's like… 728 01:38:09,372 --> 01:38:19,372 speaker 5 (logitech): so, I think what we'll probably present is, like, a decision matrix, so it'll be a question, we'll give pros and cons, and then you tell us which direction, because that will ultimately inform the ordinance, so you'll basically be writing the… think of it as a choose-your-own-adventure book, right? Like, you make one decision, and then it takes you to a different page, and then we move on. 729 01:38:31,232 --> 01:38:35,432 speaker 13 (logitech): okay, good. Any other issues? Thoughts? 730 01:38:35,432 --> 01:38:40,372 speaker 4 (logitech): no. Our code enforcement officer is here, if you want to add? 731 01:38:40,372 --> 01:38:42,592 speaker 4 (logitech): she'll be involved in this, I'm sure. 732 01:38:42,592 --> 01:38:46,792 speaker 5 (logitech): she was presenting. Oh, yeah. 733 01:38:49,307 --> 01:38:58,907 speaker 7 (logitech): it's easier to chase down somebody, under the influence of marijuana or alcohol? 734 01:39:00,152 --> 01:39:00,907 speaker 15 (logitech): talk to me! 735 01:39:00,907 --> 01:39:02,407 speaker 11 (logitech): he's here to make the lead, yes. 736 01:39:02,407 --> 01:39:04,287 speaker 13 (logitech): it's easier than all. 737 01:39:04,287 --> 01:39:08,407 speaker 12 (logitech): definitely easier for apple. Oh, okay. Definitely easier for me. Opposite. 738 01:39:08,407 --> 01:39:09,152 speaker 14 (logitech): I'm gonna be officers. 739 01:39:09,152 --> 01:39:12,522 speaker 13 (logitech): or the person he's chasing? 740 01:39:12,522 --> 01:39:16,952 speaker 9 (logitech): thanks for the officer. All right, we're good. 741 01:39:16,952 --> 01:39:19,392 speaker 10 (logitech): everyone good? Alright. 742 01:39:19,392 --> 01:39:21,792 speaker 18 (logitech): yeah. Forward.