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[0:49]
How are you? Good. How are you?
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It is 9:00.
We will call this meeting of the Lincoln
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County Commissioners to order.
We will be abiding by the open meetings
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act which has been modified to a
five-page document a copy of which is at
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the end of this table and also at the
podium for anyone that would like to
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review those rules and regs.
Additionally, the board of commissioners
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reserve the right to enter close session
at any time as necessary to discuss an
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agenda item currently before us. Also,
the board of commissioners reserves the
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right to take agenda items out of order
for the convenience of the invol
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involved parties.
For the public notice, uh we'll make
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note that we are meeting in the North
Plat City Hall chambers.
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Uh my thanks to Mayor Kellher and Mr.
Groa for accommodating us today. Much
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appreciated.
>> First step would be to open with prayer.
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Michaela, would you lead us this
morning, please?
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» Yes. Join me if you so please.
[clears throat] Heavenly Father, thank
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you for our recent rains that refreshed
our land.
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Give your grace over those who suffered
storm damage. We are thankful for a
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community that shows up without
hesitation when neighbors are in need.
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That spirit of service is the best of
Lincoln County and we ask you to help us
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carry that spirit into this meeting.
Lift up our first responders, our public
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servants, and those who work quietly
behind the scenes for the good of our
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county.
May they and their families wear your
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armor of protection.
Lord, in a season of challenge, help us
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stand firm in our integrity, grounded in
service and committed to what is right.
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Help us serve with compassion
for those who are less fortunate and
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those whose struggles we don't know. We
ask for your peace in this room,
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guidance in our decisions, and
protections over our community. Amen.
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» Amen.
One note uh overlooked was also at 9:15
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or thereabouts. We will recess as a
board of commissioners and convene as a
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board of equalization once again abiding
by open meetings act
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uh the five-page document.
Item two is to approve the minutes
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regarding the board of commissioners
meeting that we held August 24th of
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2026.
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» Mr. Chairman, I'd make a motion we
approve the [clears throat] minutes of
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the Lincoln County Board of
Commissioners meeting August 24, 2026.
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» Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Are there
[13:40]
any amendments, corrections?
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» Roll call, please.
>> Hugley.
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» Hi.
>> Woodruff,
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» I.
>> Bruns,
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» abstain. Fuller time we
>> hi.
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Before we open up item three, I'm going
to accommodate
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our colleague. Commissioner Bruns
requested to speak and I think that
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might be appropriate to hear from him at
this time. Commissioner Bruns. Mr.
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Chairman, thank you for allowing me to
be the first one to say a few things
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this morning in spite of my attorney
wishing that I won it. But I believe
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that the community deserves to hear from
me.
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Recently, I made a serious mistake, one
that I regret with every ounce of who I
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am. I put myself in circumstances to
have contact with law enforcement in
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which they ultimately arrested me. I
absolutely take full responsibility for
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my actions.
I know the community is disgusted with
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me, but no one is more disgusted and
ashamed with my actions than me.
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I'm cooperating fully with the legal
process, and out of respect for that
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process, I won't be discussing details
of the case further today.
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What I do want to say is that I'm
genuinely sorry. First to my family and
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especially my kids who didn't ask to
have their father's mistake become a
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headline. and I'm immensely sorry to
this community. You put your trust in me
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and I let you down. That's not a line
that I'm saying because it's expected of
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me here today.
I'm making it because I truly mean it.
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I also won't pretend that this happened
in a vacuum. This has been one of the
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hardest years of my life.
I've been dealing with the aftermath of
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a divorce, a change of job, a cancer
scare, and for several weeks have been
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facing a recall effort that has been
filled with vitriol and threats against
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me and my kids.
I'm not telling you that to excuse what
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I did or its seriousness.
It absolutely does not excuse it. I'm
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telling you because you deserve the full
picture and because I think it's fair
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that you know the person behind the
headline, not just the headline.
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I didn't handle the stresses of life the
way I should have, the way my children
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deserve, or in a way that my office
commands.
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I also want to address something
directly. I've made a lot of mistakes in
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life and this incident is near the top
of the list.
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However, the unprecedented, false, and
politically convenient accusations that
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were made to this board in the community
last week, accusations that I was
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abusive and threatening to staff at the
jail are not part of that list.
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While I was at the jail, did I witness
important safety checks of visual
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inspect, visually inspecting inmates and
ensuring that they were alive and
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breathing being skipped? The kind of
checks that matter enormously given how
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many deaths that facility has seen
recently? Yes, I did. Did I ask
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appropriately about it? Yes.
However, I did not raise my voice. I did
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not demean and I did not threaten anyone
or their jobs. Our correction staff and
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law enforcement officers deserve the
greatest respect and I simply ask the
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kind of questions I believe that every
one of you would want a county
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commissioner ask if they see something
like that.
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I'm not going to comment any further on
that issue either as it will play out
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along with the audiovisisual evidence
that exists in a separate legal process.
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What I can say is that I'm working to
learn from my mistakes
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and that for however long or short of
time I may have left in this role, I
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will keep doing work that this community
deserves to the best of my ability.
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Again, I am truly sorry to my family and
to all of you.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for allowing me
to speak.
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» Thank you.
Are you completed? Okay.
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I will formally move to item three,
which is public comment. [clears throat]
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Anyone that would like to come forth?
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» Morning, George.
>> Morning.
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I've got a few comments I'd like to
enter in the record and I appreciate
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your time. I'm be as concise as I can
be, but I'd like to say a few things as
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we face the the big data center issue.
All of my adult life, I've heard
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warnings at a time when robots could
become more intelligent than people.
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From scientists, we've heard warnings
from scientists, scholars, teachers,
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writers, filmmakers, and we all hope
mankind will put a stop to it over the
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years, but no one has. And here we are
now staring at that danger. Even the
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developers of artificial intelligence
have warned us. Three years ago, Elon
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Musk called AI the greatest existential
threat to mankind.
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Today, the trillionaire Elon Musk is
pushing ahead because he aims to own
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them.
Why should we cooperate?
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This summer, the president of another AI
developer, Anthropic, broke a deal with
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the US Pentagon, to create autonomous
soldiers who could do battle without
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human commanders. There was no law
against creating it. This year, AI
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robots from Anthropic and another AI
company, Open AAI, were tested to see
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how they would operate on websites that
had established boundaries and
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established confines to see what link
they would go to. The AI program has
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figured out a way to break through the
boundaries, invading real websites
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without anyone knowing it until days or
weeks later. And in the ensuing public
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discussion, it became known that AI
companies cannot shut these programs
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down if they go too far.
There's a move now in Congress to
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require companies or a federal agency to
have a kill switch. It seems like an
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obvious safeguard, but Congress is
mostly paralyzed with partisan fights
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and some members are reluctant to
restrain AI because the industry is
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driving our economy, pushing the stock
market to here to four unimagined
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levels.
But nearly 88,000 US jobs were lost in
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the first five months of 2026 attributed
to AI according to a report by CNBC.
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Anyone who makes a living now to
computers have to be replaced within a
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year or 18 months. Many analysts say
Musk recently said that he expects at
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least 100 million human robots,
if not a billion, within five years.
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That seems a bit dreamy, but it seems
possible given that robots can build
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robots.
People have to be very skilled to have a
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job that AI just couldn't do. Professor
Jeffrey Hinting Hinton, who is
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considered the godfather of AI, said
recently, "The question is not will AI
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replace workers. The question now is who
owns the robots, the data, and the
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intelligence. They will determine the
future for the rest of us," Hinton said.
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Consider that AI is already a thief.
When chat bots are trained, they are fed
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collected information assembled through
the centuries, created by individuals
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and companies, most of it copyrighting
or at least attributed to the author.
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Protected from exploitation from those
who would use it for their own gain
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without acknowledging, let alone
compensating the authors. This is
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illegal. But AI industry does it anyway.
It is powered by billions of dollars
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from investors who aim to own the
robots, the data, and the intelligence,
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such as Elon Musk. Few if any cooper cop
copyright holders confided. The New York
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Times has had a lawsuit against Open AI
for three years and is still unresolved.
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AI uses [clears throat] stolen
information and more and more it does
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what is programmed to do. It thinks for
us, it keeps us engaged. It monopolizes
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our time and in many cases it
monopolizes our thoughts and our
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emotions.
AI on our smartphones can listen to
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conversations, record our movements, our
likes, our dislikes, or even our
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inclinations amounting to illegal
searches and seizures.
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That information is recorded in data
centers. In return, we are bombarded
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with advertisements and spam calls, many
of which seek to fraudulently
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fraudulently con us out of our money,
not to mention our peace of mind. This
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stuff happens now with some 4,000 data
centers in various sizes operating in
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the United States and up to 1,000 hypers
scale centers
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which are with an accompanying power
plant can span up to two square miles
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are planned the next four years in the
United States according to the CNC
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technology group a new Jersey company
with 40 years of experience in
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technology. It is terrifying to think of
what they will be able to do. AI is
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explosive and totally unregulated.
Evidence of theft and fraud is rampant.
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AI creates fake videos, photos, and
documentaries and broadcast them through
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the out the AIdriven social media world
to captivated consumers.
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Until restrictions are written, AI can
do whatever its owners design it to do.
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I've often heard it said in meetings
such as this, there is no way to stop
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the growth of AI. Well, I suppose if we
don't try, that's true.
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But it seems like a lame way to start
addressing the situation.
[23:03]
People are stopping it. From two May
2024 to March 2025, 64 billion in US
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data center projects have been blocked
or delayed by a growing wave of local
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bipartisan opposition. According to the
group data center watch, a few months
[23:19]
ago, residents of Prince William County
and Virginia stopped the planned 2100
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acre development.
All over the country, people are
[23:28]
confronting these developments. People
want future development to be lawful.
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They want it to be respectful of
individuals. And we want to determine
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our future while we still can.
Development has gone far enough now
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until the industry can be restricted
from going way too far in my opinion.
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And I trust that you will keep all this
in mind as you make decisions about the
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development of data centers in our
county.
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Thank you for your time and your
attention and your concern.
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» Thank you, George. [clears throat]
[24:05]
» For the record, Mr. Chairman, I don't
know if he identified himself. I'd like
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that to be known as George.
>> I'm sorry. George Lobby. George.
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» Yes.
>> You did not identify yourself. I just
[24:15]
did. I just But you can go ahead,
please.
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» George Lobby and the publisher of the
North Cloud Bulletin newspaper.
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» Thank you. Thank you, Joe.
>> Good morning, Nancy.
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» Good morning.
[clears throat] Nancy Nelson, settle in
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Nebraska. I just wanted to take this
time. Um
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I'm just the spokesman for the con um
our citizens group because it's Monday
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and it's at 10 o'clock. We are missing
some
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that are going to be able to read our
statements. So I just we have a packet
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that I want to hand out and all of our
statements to you and I'd like to be
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able to do that at this time. Um, we
appreciate the time that you guys have
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taken and that Judy has taken. Um, this
can just be used as a tool.
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» Okay.
>> Thank you.
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» You bet.
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» Anyone else at this time?
[25:34]
Good morning, sir. I didn't mean to.
>> Good morning. That's okay. David Fleece,
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Southerntherland, Nebraska.
>> Morning, David.
[25:40]
» Um,
I'm glad you guys are all here this
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morning and this is open to the public.
What little research I've done about
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data centers is that they, you know,
about the com effects they have on the
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communities. Um, there's pros and cons.
Um,
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but the one thing that I've seen from
all articles I've read is that you
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cannot have a strong enough community
agreement
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to govern these data centers.
Some communities have strong community
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agreements, some do not. and everything
I've read,
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you need to make it as strong as you
can. That is up to you, five
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individuals.
And we are asking you if you consider to
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let a data center come in Lincoln County
that you guys do everything you can to
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make it as strong agreement as you can
to benefit every person in Lincoln
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County.
Now, you know, I haven't read through
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all of this, but I think
with the people here and what you're
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going to hear today
is that you can do better than this.
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Still go back to the drawing board, take
as much time as you need. One of the
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suggestions that I've read is that you
can get copies of community agreements
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from other cities that have strong
agreements and model year agreement
[27:19]
after that. Some of them local school
districts get an annual payment of over
[27:24]
a million dollars. These guys got
unimaginable money.
[27:29]
So, we're asking you if this goes
through, you make sure that this is as
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strong of an agreement as you can
possibly get for all of us. Thank you.
[27:40]
» Thank you, David.
>> Mr. Chairman, um, with regard to public
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comment, and I know that there's
probably a lot of people that are here
[27:49]
that are wanting to speak specifically
to data centers and our regulations. Um,
[27:54]
but if we want that to be part of the
official record as evidence, we should
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probably have that during the public
hearing so that it can be included in
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the body of evidence that we consider
um and not during the public comment
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time.
>> Just throwing that out there. I mean,
[28:09]
I'm not not preventing anybody from
coming up. they want to talk about those
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regulations now, by all means, but if
they want their comments included as
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part of the record and the evidence that
we consider, um, the public hearing is
[28:22]
probably better for that.
>> Understood.
[28:24]
» Thank you for pointing that out, Chris.
I agree [clears throat] that if there's
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any more directly addressing um the
public hearing portion, it would be best
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for us to hear that during the public
hearing.
[28:41]
Okay, thank you. Uh, anyone else at this
time?
[28:46]
No one. We're going to move on then.
Uh, we're going to move to item four
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then. Um, [clears throat]
claims and treasures receipts is first
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up.
>> Mr. Chairman, I make a motion that we
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approve of claims and treasurers
receipts with the ability to address
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anything at a later time if we have a
question.
[29:10]
» Second. We have a motion and a second.
Are there questions on said claims or
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treasures receipts?
[29:21]
» Roll call, please. Wers.
>> Hi.
[29:24]
» Hi
>> Woodruff.
[29:25]
» Hi
>> Bruns.
[29:26]
» Hi
>> Williams.
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» Hi.
[29:35]
» Next up we have an authorization for the
chair to sign proposals of Kidwell for
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the courthouse department roads
detention center and noxious speed
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department for security camera upgrades.
[29:48]
We have four different contracts here
and I think we've all been apprised that
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this is a compliance requirement
um that impacts
[30:02]
everything from grants to
>> federal funding.
[30:06]
» Federal funding. So
they've been they were in your packet.
[30:10]
Does anyone have questions on these
individually?
[30:14]
I can read in see for the information
[30:22]
specific information. I believe the
first one is
[30:27]
looking for the contract page.
This one is for the courthouse itself.
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The cost is going to be 132,845.
[30:41]
Second up is the uh Department of Roads
facility
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62,295.
[30:54]
Third is the
jail portion that is impacted by these
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these cameras 18,185.
[31:05]
And finally,
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the noxious weed department. And I
assume also that's going to impact the
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emergency manager building. $42,785
>> and the dive team building.
[31:19]
» And the dive team. Well, thank you for
that,
[31:25]
» Chair.
>> Yes, sir.
[31:27]
I would move that we authorize your
signature and other appropriate
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signatures.
Proposals with Kidwell for the
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courthouse department roads detention
center and anoxious speed department for
[31:38]
security camera.
>> Second motion second. Do we have
[31:43]
questions, comments?
[31:48]
Hearing none.
>> Roll call, please.
[31:51]
» Woodruff.
>> Hi.
[31:52]
» Fuller.
>> Hi.
[31:53]
» Bruns.
>> Hi.
[31:54]
» Hi.
>> Wings. All right.
[32:54]
Okay, thank you.
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It is now 9:22.
At this time, we will recess as the
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board of commissioners and convene as
the Lincoln County Board of
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Equalization.
Once again, abiding by the open being
[33:17]
exact uh copy of the five-page directive
here at the end of the table and at the
[33:22]
podium for your review.
First item under the board of
[33:27]
equalization would be to approve our
meeting minutes held August 24th of
[33:32]
2026.
>> Chair, I would move that we approve
[33:34]
those minutes regarding the Lincoln
County Board of Equalization meeting
[33:38]
held on August 24, 2026.
>> Second. We have a motion and a second.
[33:44]
Roll call, please.
>> Woodruff,
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» I.
>> Wer.
[33:48]
» I.
>> Bruns.
[33:49]
» Abstain.
>> Williams.
[33:50]
» I.
Second is the public comment period for
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board of equalization topics. If anybody
if anyone is here that would like to
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speak to board of equalization issues,
this is your opportunity.
[34:05]
See no one coming forth for board of
equalization business.
[34:09]
We'll move on to certificates correction
refunds spend by the county assessor.
[34:15]
Julie indicates she has none for us this
morning. So this will be a very brief
[34:19]
session for the board of equalization.
So at 9:23 we shall adjourn as a Lincoln
[34:27]
County Board of Equalization and
reconvene as a Lincoln County Board of
[34:30]
Commissioners. Our next item will be at
9:30.
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That was caught on the back of this.
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» [snorts]
[40:39]
[clears throat]
[40:42]
» It
>> is now 9:30. Item six [clears throat]
[40:47]
is discuss and consider action on an
application by Royal Ramos
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for Ramos administrative subdivision
located in a TA1
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transitional agricultural district on
property described as part of lot 3
[41:03]
section 20 township 12 north range 26
west of the 6pm Lincoln County Nebraska.
[41:08]
Good morning Judy. Morning. Judy Clark,
um, county planning and zoning
[41:14]
administrator. It's probably going to be
the easiest one you have for me today.
[41:18]
So, um, what you see in front of you is
a copy of the review comments. Um,
[41:22]
attached to that. It's a couple of
location maps of where this, um,
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subdivision is located and a, uh,
preliminary and final plat. Um, the
[41:34]
subdivision is creating a 3.28 acre lot.
The applicant is proposing to build a
[41:40]
new residential dwelling on the lot.
Planning staff has no objection to the
[41:44]
subdivision. The subdivision is in
conformance with the Lincoln County
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comprehensive plan zoning regulations
and the subdivision regulations. Full
[41:52]
disclosure, this
sub this lot exists. Um, couple years
[41:59]
ago, an attorney just made a meats and
bounds description and it was filed at
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the courthouse.
without me knowing about it. So, that
[42:10]
does happen periodically.
Um, it was caught that it was an illegal
[42:15]
subdivision when the gentleman that is
wanting to buy build a house on it um
[42:20]
came in and asked for a permit to do so.
So, um I told him that lot was not a
[42:26]
legal lot even though he purchased it in
a transaction.
[42:30]
Um and I had him go through the
subdivision process.
[42:35]
So, just so you know,
>> this is is this off Highway 30?
[42:38]
» Yes.
>> Okay. And it is rural. I mean,
[42:42]
» transitional egg and with the 3.28, they
did meet the regulations for the
[42:47]
requirement for the over three acres um
when they did that, but that does happen
[42:52]
every once in a while.
>> Question. Is it just east of Hershey?
[42:58]
» Brady.
>> Oh, Brady. Because it's a little map I
[43:01]
could not see. Sorry, I did not label it
well, but it is Brady.
[43:05]
» So, the question I would have is uh no
problem with uh right away on the drive
[43:12]
coming off of with the state off of
Highway 30.
[43:15]
» Um I'm not sure if they have talked to
the state about that. I did send them
[43:19]
there. I told them also um to talk with
Jason just in case there were some
[43:25]
issues there, but it should be a state
rightaway permit.
[43:29]
And I believe there's already an access
there. It just needs to be widened a
[43:33]
little bit.
>> When was the purchase of the lot?
[43:37]
» Um I believe it was back in 2021
[43:44]
when they did that.
I know you're you're looking kind of
[43:49]
puzzled. It does happen. Sometimes
attorneys have the ability to write
[43:54]
legal descriptions. Um Tyler can tell
you that sometimes attorneys or
[43:59]
reitterers won't check and make sure
they're meeting the regulations. And so
[44:04]
it does get filed at the courthouse. And
then sometimes I'll catch it, sometimes
[44:09]
the registers of deeds office will catch
it, sometimes the assessor's office will
[44:13]
catch it. I'm not sure why this one did
not get caught at the time, but it
[44:18]
didn't. And so we caught it now and
we're cleaning up a mess.
[44:22]
» Yeah. and and it's not necessarily
pertaining to what we're considering
[44:27]
here today, but I'm probably going to
have some questions on that workflow
[44:31]
» and finding out ensuring that all uh
parties, all departments are are
[44:37]
speaking to each other and that you know
things are getting assessed
[44:41]
appropriately, people are paying the
appropriate taxes.
[44:45]
Um so that'll be a discussion for after
the meeting. Thanks Judy.
[44:50]
» I agree. Thanks, Judy, for bringing this
to our attention and catching it. Uh,
[44:54]
and that was going to be where I went,
Commissioner Bruns, was um putting
[45:00]
safeguards in place to prevent it from
happening. Like you said, it doesn't
[45:03]
happen very often, but it does happen.
So,
[45:05]
» yeah, it it's a little tough to have the
registered deeds, the assessor, and
[45:09]
myself know each other's jobs. I mean,
we we focus on our one job, and so it's
[45:13]
nobody's fault. It just happen. And it
does happen every once in a while, but
[45:17]
we usually catch them at some point.
Thank you. Mayor Chair, I would move
[45:24]
that we approve the Ramos administrative
subdivision as described.
[45:31]
» Second.
>> Have a motion and a second. Any
[45:34]
questions, comments?
>> Roll call, please.
[45:39]
» Woodruff.
>> Hi.
[45:41]
» Wer. Hi.
>> Bruns. Hi.
[45:43]
» Hi.
>> Williams.
[45:44]
» Hi. Thank you, Judy.
[46:08]
Those of you don't that don't have an
agenda, our next item is at 9:40.
[46:27]
What is this supposed to be?
[46:36]
» I think this was attached to the last
invoice. I don't even know.
[46:41]
» Uh, one of the first invoices. I
recognize the item.
[46:47]
Probably was the front of that. I
certainly saw that.
[46:51]
» This must be
[47:00]
» No, actually, no, that's not it.
>> Oh, and I really
[47:03]
» I'll have to dig it out. Show it to
>> I really don't know what you're talking
[47:06]
about.
>> Yeah. had your name on it. So I was
[47:08]
like,
>> "Okay, she asked a question of this."
[47:12]
Oh, here it is.
That way
[47:39]
Maybe Becky knows where it came from.
>> It was email.
[47:43]
» It was to me.
>> Email.
[47:45]
» Mhm.
[47:53]
[clears throat]
[48:02]
Yeah, I've never heard of this company
before or had any contact.
[48:08]
» I wonder if it's because on some
websites I'm still the chair.
[48:15]
» Well, that's entirely possible.
>> Merry Christmas.
[48:20]
» Thank you.
[48:24]
» [clears throat]
[48:39]
» might also
[48:42]
contact.
>> Yeah.
[48:47]
» Yeah. And you that does generate a lot
of that stuff.
[48:53]
Can I have this?
>> Absolutely.
[48:54]
» You should have one in your packet.
>> It's all right. I I don't need it.
[48:58]
» Is it that one underneath here? The
paper
[49:03]
» is the one from
>> Should have been on top of your stuff
[49:06]
for your
[49:10]
» There's no guarantee it could be in
here.
[49:12]
» She can have that one.
[49:16]
It's kind of like it was coming out of
left field because I didn't I didn't
[49:21]
engage the company in it.
>> Yeah, me either that I remember.
[49:24]
» And I thought well somebody can make
heads or tails of this.
[49:29]
» I'll take a look at it.
[50:10]
Isn't that cool? I've got a picture of
Joe on the back.
[50:14]
» Never seen him wear a hat before.
[50:21]
They've got your picture on the
backboard, Joe.
[50:25]
» I didn't know you had a hat.
[50:33]
» I haven't seen
>> it.
[50:42]
I'm old [clears throat] school. I hope
we always remember.
[50:44]
» It is now 9:40. Item seven
is to discuss and consider setting Sep
[50:50]
September 21st,
2026 at 11:00 a.m. for public hearing to
[50:56]
receive comments on the proposed 2026
2027 fiscal year Lincoln County,
[51:01]
Nebraska budget. Becky,
>> this was the date that uh the auditor or
[51:07]
not the auditor, the accountant and I
had planned for the public hearing for
[51:10]
the board. We have several weeks yet to
work on the budget and we should be
[51:14]
ready by then. Okay,
>> Mr. Chairman, are you ready?
[51:18]
» I am.
>> I will make a motion that we set
[51:24]
September 21st at 2026 at 11:00 a.m. for
the public [clears throat] hearing to
[51:29]
receive comments on the proposed 2026
2027 fiscal year Lincoln County,
[51:35]
Nebraska budget.
>> Second. Motion and second. Any
[51:40]
questions?
Roll call, please. Wer.
[51:44]
» Hi.
>> Hi.
[51:46]
» Runs.
>> Hi.
[51:47]
» Woodruff.
>> Hi.
[51:48]
» We hi.
[51:55]
» And once again, for those that don't
have an agenda in their hand, uh, our
[51:59]
next item is 10 a.m.
>> while we sign claims.
[52:36]
Somebody
[52:46]
[snorts]
[52:55]
» I got mine in his office
[53:00]
first hand.
[53:23]
reading for you, sir. Actually, you're a
little short on
[53:30]
should see me at trial.
[53:34]
Papers and ideas.
[54:04]
» [clears throat]
[54:43]
» Well, I have
[56:21]
Exactly.
[56:44]
a legitimate charge
here.
[56:48]
Um
[56:52]
these are nice think
[57:02]
» I mean assuming that is definitely under
the new budget that would be for
[57:08]
July and August. So
>> yeah I mean that' be at least for
[57:12]
August.
[57:15]
We might have to do a
[57:24]
Three of us already.
[57:32]
» That was part of the motion.
[57:38]
» I think it's new budget year.
>> It's the new budget.
[57:43]
» Supposed to have been modified.
[57:48]
That's supposed to be
[58:09]
» Oh, you have the caveat. So, we can pull
it,
[58:12]
» right?
[58:17]
I don't think so. We don't mention any
others.
[58:27]
» That's a question for Tyler.
[58:49]
I don't think I understand everything I
should about that.
[58:57]
» I thought we talked about that last
>> It was supposedly removed from the
[59:02]
budget.
[59:07]
during our budget meeting,
>> but I don't
[59:11]
» Well, they they they said at our budget
review that they would
[59:16]
» they amended their
[59:28]
» over here.
[59:35]
So something that we had
>> well that that specifically was
[59:41]
requested that that be removed because
it's part of the perview of
[59:48]
» there is no statement
[59:53]
» can't
[1:00:03]
got attached to something
[1:00:30]
else.
[1:00:34]
Steve look
[1:00:42]
» I can comment
hopefully clarify
[1:00:58]
» I think it's just
form.
[1:01:05]
» Sounds like a pretty simple.
>> We know where those came from.
[1:01:21]
» I'm sure we paid.
[1:01:25]
» I'm gonna blame it on Joe.
>> I [clears throat] I did it. It was
[1:01:31]
probably under my desk.
[1:01:37]
» Probably
[1:01:56]
minutes.
[1:02:07]
Yeah,
[1:02:12]
please.
[1:02:22]
Let's
[1:02:36]
hear.
[1:02:52]
Okay.
[1:03:20]
» Hello.
[1:04:04]
Are you kidding me?
[1:04:15]
I'm getting nervous about all my titles.
[1:04:31]
challenging for me because there are so
many different entities and that's what
[1:04:36]
we do. Each each different departments
on a different color paper and it really
[1:04:43]
helps me keep everything.
[clears throat]
[1:05:22]
Well, this might have been the week he
was on vacation.
[1:05:25]
» Okay. All right.
>> I bet you it was.
[1:05:27]
» Okay.
Yeah, when I think he was in Alaska and
[1:05:31]
they don't need her.
>> All right. All right.
[1:05:35]
I read the whole letter.
>> People like you don't do vacation, so
[1:05:39]
it's hard.
>> Okay, I'm with you. Thank you.
[1:05:47]
» I do remember because I got a couple of
phone calls.
[1:05:51]
» Okay.
[1:06:10]
I was going to have Booker
[1:06:16]
just like how minuscule
electricity
[1:06:34]
That was part of that renovation. I
mean, I said, you know,
[1:06:44]
» I think in
>> 18
[1:07:01]
Well, I don't either. I don't want to be
dropped.
[1:07:14]
» Yeah, these are all AC cross.
[1:07:40]
No, it's fine.
[1:07:45]
» Well, that's I know. [snorts]
I know.
[1:07:51]
» [clears throat]
[1:08:09]
» Christ,
[1:08:18]
right?
>> [clears throat]
[1:08:33]
» on the public hearing.
[1:08:53]
Thank you.
[1:08:56]
» Okay. Five.
[1:09:29]
» [clears throat]
[1:09:35]
[laughter]
[1:09:39]
» But not
[1:09:44]
» [clears throat]
[1:10:28]
» So the first one must be this guy right
here.
[1:10:42]
Yeah, I'm sure I got mine out of order.
>> It is now 10:00 a.m. It is time for our
[1:10:47]
public hearings, three of which we need
to conduct this morning.
[1:10:53]
[clears throat]
Uh Tyler, would you like to lead off
[1:10:56]
with some uh guidance for the uh
speakers?
[1:11:00]
» I would. All right, folks. It's very
important we stay on topic for what is
[1:11:04]
actually on the agenda today. The only
thing on the agenda today are some
[1:11:09]
changes to our regulations. There's no
project, no rumored project, there's no
[1:11:13]
applied for project. There's no project
south of Southerntherland we're going to
[1:11:16]
talk about today. Here's why. If I were
a data center developer and I didn't
[1:11:21]
like our regulations, the first thing I
would do is go to court and try to get
[1:11:24]
them set aside. The best way to do that
is going to be through proving a
[1:11:28]
violation of the Open Meetings Act. If
we get too far off agenda, we violate
[1:11:33]
the open meetings act. I don't want the
public to be the reason our regulations
[1:11:38]
get set aside and we're back down to the
one pager. Does everybody understand
[1:11:42]
that?
Perfect. If you get off topic and start
[1:11:46]
talking about a particular project, I
will warn you nicely. If I have to do it
[1:11:51]
again, I'm probably going to consider
asking the chair to have you removed
[1:11:54]
from the room so that we do not violate
the open meetings act. It's my only
[1:11:58]
goal, folks. There will be a time place
for any particular project. I assume
[1:12:03]
some enterprising young capitalist will
be renting torches and pitchforks across
[1:12:07]
the street at the time. By all means,
come on down then. Today is about
[1:12:11]
regulations only. Thank you.
All right. First one, first up is uh
[1:12:18]
public hearing to discuss and consider
action on an amendment to the Lincoln
[1:12:22]
County zoning regulations article 5
conditional uses regarding state
[1:12:27]
legislative updates to conditional use
permit procedures.
[1:12:31]
So at 10:01 I shall open this public
hearing regarding this topic and invite
[1:12:37]
Judy Clark to give us the
uh details. [clears throat]
[1:12:42]
Good morning.
>> Good morning. Judy Clark, Lincoln County
[1:12:46]
Planning and Zoning Administrator. So,
the first item that we are looking at is
[1:12:51]
the conditional use amendments to the
conditional use. So, you all received a
[1:12:56]
copy of my review comments. Attached to
that is the current conditional use
[1:13:01]
regulations
and then behind that is the draft
[1:13:05]
regulations. you will first see a
resolution passed by the planning
[1:13:10]
commission and then you will see the
draft of the conditional uses. So that
[1:13:15]
is what was passed at the planning
commission level. Now going back to the
[1:13:19]
front page of the review comments in
2026 the Nebraska state legislature
[1:13:23]
passed LB663 setting standards and
processes that local governments are
[1:13:28]
required to follow regarding the
conditional use permitting. These
[1:13:32]
standards require planning commissions
and boards of commissioners to hear and
[1:13:36]
act on applications under strict
timelines. Sometimes referred to as we
[1:13:41]
have referred to it before the shot
clock limiting the county's ability to
[1:13:45]
postpone decisions or in some cases to
require certain conditions to adhere to
[1:13:50]
legislative mandates and to still be
able to have some local control.
[1:13:54]
Planning staff is recommending the
proposed amendments. Now in that draft
[1:13:58]
regulation and I am going to take 100%
the blame for this what was presented to
[1:14:03]
the planning commission was missing
um what I feel is a very important
[1:14:09]
portion of the conditional uses um which
you will see on that last set of drafts
[1:14:14]
with the yellow highlights
I am asking
[1:14:19]
» suggested edits
>> what was that
[1:14:20]
» the suggested edits I think
>> the suggested edits that's what that
[1:14:24]
cover page says suggested edits Um, I am
recommending that you add 2, three, 4,
[1:14:30]
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and
15 to the current standards. Those are
[1:14:37]
currently in, if you flip back to the
original, those are currently in our
[1:14:41]
conditional uses.
I did not mean to wipe those out. That
[1:14:46]
was very unintentional.
Not sure how that happened, but my job,
[1:14:51]
I'll take the blame for it. So you're by
adding that you're not changing anything
[1:14:56]
that doesn't already exist. I would just
like that added to the draft.
[1:15:02]
Okay. So for the record, we have a
amendment to the Lincoln County zoning
[1:15:06]
regulations
uh duly noted with these this amendment
[1:15:11]
or reinsertion
>> would be the way to say that.
[1:15:15]
» So that's part of the public record. Um,
we did have some folks um were kind
[1:15:21]
enough to sign in early for the various
uh hearings if they're interested in
[1:15:26]
speaking. Uh, we're going to try to give
everyone three minutes. Uh, we're not
[1:15:30]
it's not written in stone. If you have a
a statement that takes a little longer,
[1:15:34]
I understand that. Just try to be as
brief as you can and get all your points
[1:15:39]
made. Um, so with the luxury of having a
couple signin sheets here for this first
[1:15:46]
public hearing, um, I have one person
who requested to speak, Brandon Keller.
[1:15:54]
Mayor,
[1:16:01]
» morning everyone. [clears throat]
>> Tyler, I don't think I'm going to stray
[1:16:04]
here, but if I do, just warn me. Okay,
>> I'll just throw you right out of your
[1:16:07]
own.
>> Okay.
[1:16:10]
Uh my name is Brandon Keller and I'm the
mayor of North Plat. I I do think that
[1:16:16]
particularly sitting in your seats or
sitting in my seat from time to time,
[1:16:20]
it's I'm going to allow me to state the
obvious because that's what I'm good at
[1:16:23]
and rules are extremely important. And
the following of the rules and the order
[1:16:28]
of the rules has a great deal of logic
to it, but it's not always obvious when
[1:16:32]
you're reading them. So, I just want to
applaud you for moving forward with
[1:16:36]
considering a set of rules because it is
highly important to the future of the
[1:16:40]
community and the future of the county
and the future of the area. With that
[1:16:43]
said, I'm just going to read a few
things from Nebraska legislature
[1:16:48]
uh the statute 23-114.01,
which basically guides um
[1:16:54]
county boards and the county planning
commission. Just highlighting some
[1:16:58]
pieces of it. This particular one is
paragraph 5, section B.
[1:17:05]
It's about halfway through the
paragraph. And it says, "Granting a
[1:17:09]
conditional use permit or a special
exception by the commission or county
[1:17:12]
board shall be based solely on county
zoning regulations."
[1:17:17]
Again, following the rules. Highly
important. Highly important to
[1:17:20]
understand that there are rules in
place, which is why it's important that
[1:17:24]
we have rules. Little bit further at the
end of that paragraph, it says, "The
[1:17:28]
granting of a conditional use permit or
special exception by a commission or
[1:17:32]
county board shall not relieve the
applicant of any requirement to obtain
[1:17:36]
other necessary permits from any
federal, state, or local agency.
[1:17:41]
Basically, that means is the county or
the city cannot preempt federal
[1:17:46]
regulations or state regulations. It's
obvious to all of us, but not always
[1:17:49]
obvious to everyone who's considering
these things."
[1:17:53]
Moving on to section six.
The power to grant conditional uses or
[1:17:58]
special exceptions as set forth in
subsection five of this section shall be
[1:18:01]
the exclusive authority of the
commission except that the county board
[1:18:05]
of commissioners supervisors may choose
to retain for itself the power to grant
[1:18:09]
conditional uses or special exceptions
for those classifications of uses
[1:18:13]
specified in county zoning regulations.
long way of saying back to the county
[1:18:19]
zoning relations. In your case, in this
county, you guys have the approval or
[1:18:23]
the non-approval [clears throat]
authority. The county board of
[1:18:26]
commissioners or supervisors may
exercise such power if it is formally
[1:18:30]
adopted standards and procedures for
granting such conditional uses or
[1:18:33]
special exceptions in the manner that is
equitable and which will promote the
[1:18:39]
public interest.
Moving on to section seven. And section
[1:18:44]
seven in general describes a process
once a a county excuse me a conditional
[1:18:51]
use permit or a special application is
is presented and in the case that that
[1:18:56]
that special permit would be presented
to or excuse me application would be
[1:19:00]
presented to the planning commission.
Planning commission has 30 days to
[1:19:04]
consider it. If they find the
application is not complete they have 10
[1:19:08]
days to send it back.
the uh once they receive the information
[1:19:13]
back they have another 30 days. After
that they have 90 days to act in some
[1:19:19]
manner.
Then [clears throat] it goes on to
[1:19:23]
excuse me [cough]
allergy season
[1:19:28]
goes on to the county board. County
board has essentially the same time
[1:19:32]
frames repeated 30 10 30 and then 90
days. This is why rules are so
[1:19:38]
important. You remember nothing else
that I said today. Remember this one
[1:19:41]
piece.
If after those long periods of n 30, 10,
[1:19:45]
30, and 90 days, if the board has not
granted or denied a conditional use
[1:19:50]
permit or specialty exception by the end
of such 90-day period, this is referring
[1:19:54]
to the to the board's 90-day period, the
conditional use permit or special
[1:19:59]
exception shall be shall be deemed
granted.
[1:20:03]
Now, I know that all of you know that,
but I'm not sure that all the public
[1:20:06]
knows that. And that's why rules are so
important.
[1:20:11]
I applaud you for considering these
rules. Please make them the very best
[1:20:14]
that you can. City of North Plat will be
considering uh similar sets in the very
[1:20:19]
near future. Thank you.
>> Thank you, mayor. Uh I I also failed to
[1:20:24]
note that just just because you didn't
get on the signin sheet, if you're a
[1:20:28]
late comer to the meeting, uh you're
certainly welcome to speak here at the
[1:20:33]
public hearing portion. So uh before we
move on and close the public comment
[1:20:38]
period regarding this uh article 5
uh portion is anyone else in the room
[1:20:46]
that would like to speak to this
please come forth.
[1:20:53]
No one.
All right. Um so at um
[1:21:00]
10:10 we shall close the public hearing
or mean not the public hearing or bigger
[1:21:05]
pardon the the public speaking portion
of the hearing and move on to discussion
[1:21:12]
colleagues
[1:21:16]
you have questions for Judy on this
[1:21:22]
fairly straightforward we have to deal
with LB 6663 as the mayor says.
[1:21:27]
» And I think it's important to note that
this is not the first time we've heard
[1:21:31]
this or you know this is we've we've
heard this at many of our meetings and
[1:21:36]
» uh so not not our first view at this. So
if we appear not to have a lot of
[1:21:40]
questions uh plus having our homework
ahead of time this weekend and stuff and
[1:21:45]
reviewing it. So I wanted at least the
audience to realize that.
[1:21:49]
» Yeah. Very good.
>> Mr. chairman, if if there aren't any, if
[1:21:52]
you're ready for a motion, I would be
glad to make
[1:21:54]
» certainly am.
>> I would just like real quick to say uh
[1:21:57]
thank you to Judy and the uh planning
commission for uh making it more robust
[1:22:02]
as far as the pre-application process. I
think that's going to be uh extremely
[1:22:06]
beneficial for the entire county,
particularly with contentious projects.
[1:22:12]
So,
>> okay.
[1:22:15]
» As as Joe just spoke to, um Judy asked
more questions than my fair share. Uh
[1:22:22]
being on the committee along with
Commissioner Bruns, I think we've had a
[1:22:26]
lot of exposure. Uh I echo what
everybody has said. You and the team
[1:22:32]
that you've assembled uh all the people
from the community that have uh
[1:22:38]
contributed in one way or another um has
really helped make these better. and uh
[1:22:46]
I appreciate all your efforts and your
recommendations.
[1:22:53]
» Joe, would you like to make that motion?
>> Mr. Chairman, I'd move that we adopt
[1:22:56]
resolution 2026-27
to approve the amendments to the Lincoln
[1:23:02]
County Zoning Regulations, Article 5,
Conditional Uses, with the addition of
[1:23:08]
sections 5.13 standards for review. Uh
sections 2 through 15. Second.
[1:23:16]
» We have a motion and a second. Are there
questions?
[1:23:22]
Judy, you have any questions?
>> Thank you.
[1:23:25]
» Roll call, please.
>> Hugley.
[1:23:29]
» Hi.
>> Woodruff.
[1:23:30]
» Hi.
>> Williams.
[1:23:31]
» Hi.
>> Bruns.
[1:23:32]
» Hi.
>> Wer.
[1:23:33]
» Hi.
[snorts]
[1:23:39]
» All right. At 10:12, we'll move on to
the second public hearing. Sign that
[1:23:44]
resolution.
[1:23:48]
» Go ahead.
[1:23:51]
» Yep.
>> Sign it first.
[1:23:57]
» You're doing that. I'll read this in.
Second public hearing is to discuss and
[1:24:02]
consider action on an amendment to the
Lincoln County zoning regulations
[1:24:06]
section 4.07 07
land use categories matrix to add
[1:24:11]
ancillary data center as permitted uses
in an A1, TA1, C1,
[1:24:18]
I1, and AGV and LCR zoning districts.
[1:24:29]
Again, Judy Clark, Lincoln County
Planning and Zoning Administrator. Okay.
[1:24:33]
So, this item um you saw a very similar
item a couple of weeks ago. Um it's the
[1:24:38]
land use matrix or the zoning matrix
that shows where um items are permitted.
[1:24:45]
Um we changed at that meeting at the
time when it came to data centers, we
[1:24:49]
changed all data centers to conditional
use in certain areas. Um with this one,
[1:24:56]
we got to looking at the ancillary data
centers. Now, ancillary, um, I don't
[1:25:02]
like that word. I'd rather have it say
accessory, but, um, essentially that's
[1:25:06]
what it is is an it's an accessory to
the permitted use or to the conditional
[1:25:11]
use. So, these would be data centers
that probably already currently exist.
[1:25:16]
Um, banks have data centers, hospitals
have data centers. There's a whole bunch
[1:25:22]
of different types of industrial uses or
industrial, you know, or commercial uses
[1:25:28]
that already have data centers, but
they're very small. And so, um, that's
[1:25:33]
where we came up with the definition of
ancillary. But when we got to looking at
[1:25:37]
the, um, matrix, if you lumped it all in
with data centers, then they would only
[1:25:42]
be conditional uses in certain
districts. planning commission felt that
[1:25:47]
um these types of data centers should be
able to be allowed with the commercial
[1:25:53]
or industrial venture that is that it is
supporting.
[1:25:57]
So it wouldn't be a standalone. You
would already either have um a
[1:26:02]
commercial building that's running a
commercial function out of there um or
[1:26:07]
they would apply together. So a lot of
our industrial uses are conditional uses
[1:26:12]
anyway. they would have to apply for
those but that that ancillary data
[1:26:16]
center would be permitted along with
that commercial use
[1:26:22]
» um or otherwise said ancillary
>> ancillary there you go
[1:26:27]
» however you say it that's why I like
accessory works better
[1:26:30]
» I agree I agree
>> Judy do we currently have an operational
[1:26:34]
definition for ancillary [clears throat]
data centers in our regulations
[1:26:38]
» um no we do not in the current ones in
the proposed ones we do But no, not in
[1:26:43]
the current regulations.
>> Now, I know that we're not considering
[1:26:47]
that change yet, but can you just what
is the operational definition that has
[1:26:52]
been proposed?
[1:26:59]
» I will read that to you for the second.
Yeah.
[1:27:05]
Um, ancillary or micro centers, smaller
localized server rooms occupying less
[1:27:13]
than 10% of a building's gross floor
area or 2,500 square ft, whichever is
[1:27:18]
less, permitted as an incillary or
however Mr. Wing said it. Um, use to
[1:27:25]
primary commercial or office functions
that directly support on-site commercial
[1:27:30]
or business operations. Ancillary uses
or structures secondary and incidental
[1:27:36]
to data center use including but not
limited to administrative logistical
[1:27:40]
fiber optic storage security buildings
or structures. They typically consume
[1:27:45]
under one megawatt of power. So with
that operational definition that we have
[1:27:50]
yet to consider, do you think that
there's a risk that any kind of an
[1:27:54]
organization can game the game so to
speak,
[1:27:58]
build a huge building and I mean because
we have the the square footage limit in
[1:28:02]
there now um that we'll be considering
and voting on.
[1:28:06]
» That was quite a discussion at the
planning commission level. Um originally
[1:28:11]
it was 25% of this square footage. Um I
I don't like numbers. I I love numbers
[1:28:17]
actually because I'm a math major, but I
don't like numbers in zoning code
[1:28:22]
because yes, could I have somebody come
in and say, "Oh, well, my building is
[1:28:26]
2,499
square feet." Is is that going to
[1:28:31]
happen? I hope not. Could it? Possibly.
Um, but that's why we went down to the
[1:28:37]
10%
or 2500, whichever is less. And we just
[1:28:42]
took that based off of average size of a
home.
[1:28:47]
you know, 2500 square feet maybe is a
pretty large home. 1,200 square feet.
[1:28:52]
You could do 1,200 and and a portion of
it could be something else. But that's
[1:28:56]
kind of where we settled.
>> So, for the record, Judy, you're reading
[1:29:00]
some of the excerpts from the amendment
to the zoning rags as part of our public
[1:29:04]
record for the hearing.
>> Yes. Okay.
[1:29:10]
» Anything else to add with that?
[1:29:17]
We'll we'll reserve the right to pester
you again, Judy.
[1:29:22]
» Okay. So, the public comment period is
before us regarding this
[1:29:28]
this particular hearing
um on section 4.07 land use categories
[1:29:35]
matrix. Do we have we don't have anybody
that pre-signed, but are there anyone is
[1:29:41]
there anyone present that would like to
speak to this?
[1:29:46]
Certainly want you to have the
opportunity.
[1:29:50]
Okay,
hear none. We'll close the public
[1:29:54]
hearing portion and go on to discussion.
colleagues,
[1:30:00]
questions for Judy or
>> I would like to comment that I
[1:30:05]
appreciated the planning and zoning
meeting being livereamed
[1:30:10]
so that we could all
listen to that uh discussion. It was a a
[1:30:16]
good long meeting, good comment. Uh, I
appreciate the input from 25% down to 10
[1:30:25]
and or 2500 square f feet, whichever is
less. So, just wanted to make that
[1:30:30]
comment. Thanks again for your work and
to the planning commission to the people
[1:30:34]
that spoke.
>> Chair, if I may.
[1:30:36]
» Yes, sir.
>> I would also like to commend our
[1:30:39]
planning commission members for the uh
work that they have done and the
[1:30:45]
products that they have brought to us
that uh for us to consider. totally
[1:30:51]
agree with that. They've done a lot of
hard work, heavy lifting.
[1:30:57]
Thank you all.
[1:31:03]
I'd entertain a motion.
We're ready to move on.
[1:31:11]
Mr. Chairman, I'd make a motion that we
approve or we adopt resolution 2026-28
[1:31:17]
to approve amendments to the Lincoln
County Zoning Regulation Section 4.07
[1:31:23]
land use categories matrix heading
incillary data centers as a permitted
[1:31:29]
use in a C-1
A-1
[1:31:34]
TA-1
AGV and LCR zoning districts.
[1:31:41]
Second.
>> We have a motion and a second.
[1:31:47]
At 10:20, the public hearing portion is
over. The motion is on the floor. A
[1:31:51]
second is also in place. Are there any
questions
[1:31:55]
» for Judy comments?
[1:32:00]
Roll call, please.
>> Hugley.
[1:32:02]
» Hi.
>> Bruns.
[1:32:03]
» Hi.
>> Woodruff.
[1:32:04]
» Hi.
>> Wer.
[1:32:05]
» Hi.
>> Williams.
[1:32:06]
» Hi.
Moving on,
[1:32:10]
» here's the resolution.
[1:32:14]
» We are now going to discuss and consider
action in a public hearing setting on an
[1:32:19]
amendment to the Lincoln County Zoning
Regulations Section 8.22
[1:32:23]
data centers regarding data center
regulations
[1:32:27]
10:21. We shall open this portion
and we will also begin with Judy Clark.
[1:32:34]
Judy
>> Judy Clark, Lincoln County Planning and
[1:32:37]
Zoning Administrator. Okay. Um, I'm
going to try to make this as non-lengthy
[1:32:42]
as possible, but I'm going to start out
and I know you all know this, but again,
[1:32:48]
just for public consumption, I want to
kind of go back and do a very, very
[1:32:53]
short planning 101.
So, um, this book that I have in my
[1:32:58]
hand,
you guys have all seen it. It's got both
[1:33:02]
the comprehensive plan and the zoning
regulations that are currently um on
[1:33:08]
hand. The comprehensive plan consists of
let's see the verbiage oh I don't know
[1:33:14]
200 and some odd pages 235 some odd
pages with maps. So the purpose of a
[1:33:20]
comprehensive plan you have to have a
comprehensive plan in place in order to
[1:33:26]
do planning and zoning and to establish
regulations. that was done years and
[1:33:30]
years ago. 1974, as a matter of fact,
was the first um established planning
[1:33:36]
commission in Lincoln County. Just in
case some of you don't know that, at
[1:33:39]
least that's the first documents I can
find is 1974.
[1:33:42]
So um over time we have adopted new
comprehensive plan sometimes updates
[1:33:50]
um sometimes we'll update it as uh we do
a subdivision we might have to update
[1:33:54]
the land use map in the comp plan
because that is your establishment that
[1:34:00]
is your baseline to create a zoning
code. So a couple things I want to point
[1:34:04]
out to you. Um
on page 45 of the comprehensive plan,
[1:34:11]
there is a goals and policies regarding
economic development. One of those is
[1:34:18]
5.1. The county recognizes the
importance of dynamic economic
[1:34:22]
development programs to support
entrepreneurship, business retention and
[1:34:27]
expansion and industrial recruitment.
Another one of these is a public policy
[1:34:34]
um that is a economic development goal.
Agricultural enterprise from research
[1:34:39]
and development to production to
processing and market marketing remains
[1:34:43]
a vital and growing part of the city and
county economy.
[1:34:48]
Um, another goal that's in the economic
development goal, a diverse economic
[1:34:53]
base with strong primary sector
employment provides a foundation for
[1:34:57]
long-term growth and community
development. I just thought that were
[1:35:01]
those were really important to point
out. Um the other thing in
[1:35:07]
the um comprehensive plan is we have a
whole section devoted to environmental
[1:35:13]
regulations, environmental statistics,
environmental goals. Whole entire
[1:35:18]
section that talks about the protection
of groundwater and air quality. Um
[1:35:23]
protection of soils, the sand hills
region, um migratory bird population.
[1:35:29]
um committed Lincoln County is committed
to environmental stewardship,
[1:35:34]
conservation, and natural resources.
Another thing in that document that I
[1:35:39]
thought was really important to point
out, so along with your comprehensive
[1:35:43]
plan, which is your base, your starting
point, then you establish zoning
[1:35:48]
regulations. Now, I know we're here to
talk today about one particular section
[1:35:52]
of that zoning code, but again, there's
another document and this document is
[1:35:58]
somewhere around
194 pages and that is zoning.
[1:36:05]
So, when we're looking at this section,
this 8.22,
[1:36:09]
we have to also understand that that's
just a special portion of that. there
[1:36:14]
are other things that would pertain to a
data center if we ever got one um that
[1:36:22]
it would have to follow. We do have a
section in the zoning code on
[1:36:31]
um the different soil districts um page
118 119 121 different soil districts. So
[1:36:38]
if a potential project would end up in a
different soil district they not only
[1:36:41]
would have to meet
the standards of data um which is 8.22.
[1:36:48]
They would also have to meet those
regulations that are in that section. Um
[1:36:52]
article five which is the conditional
uses that you just um made a resolution
[1:36:57]
to pass. Any potential project would
also have to follow those regulations
[1:37:03]
which start on page 126. It'll be
different now since we did the addition.
[1:37:07]
There's also a section um 8.10 10 which
is performance standards for industrial
[1:37:12]
uses. Um data centers are considered
industrial uses. So there are additional
[1:37:17]
performance standards that they would
have to take into consideration. And
[1:37:21]
then the final one and I probably missed
a couple in there because I was just
[1:37:25]
doing this here maybe half an hour ago.
Um but anyway the um other portion that
[1:37:31]
they have to meet too is article 11
which is your enforcement and
[1:37:34]
administration of the conditional use of
the land use all of those things. So all
[1:37:40]
of those things go into
one application. So just because you're
[1:37:45]
writing a regulation for one particular
section, whether it's wind, solar,
[1:37:51]
um data centers, whatever it is, um it
also has a lot of other things that has
[1:37:59]
to be in conformance with also. So we
just want to keep that in mind when
[1:38:03]
we're drafting these regulations.
Okay. So now to the task at hand I
[1:38:11]
provided you you should all have a copy
of the review comments on the front
[1:38:15]
page. Then you have a copy of the
current regulations which is the one
[1:38:19]
pager
and then you have a copy of the draft
[1:38:23]
regulations from the planning
commission.
[1:38:27]
And then you have a copy of the yellow
highlights. I'm not going to take 100%
[1:38:34]
credit for that. I did review it with
the um county attorney and we
[1:38:40]
collaborated on some of it and uh we
came up with the so I'm throwing him
[1:38:45]
under the bus also along with me with
the drafted portion for some additions
[1:38:49]
that um those came from
the rest of what you have in there which
[1:38:57]
is the draft regulations that the
community be provided to the planning
[1:39:02]
commission at that meeting. They're
documents like 42 pages long.
[1:39:07]
Okay. So,
I'm not going [clears throat] to go
[1:39:11]
through all of what I have on the review
comments. Um, but I am going to say that
[1:39:16]
planning commission has been researching
this for quite a while prior to planning
[1:39:19]
commission researching this. Um,
Michaela and I sat on a land use
[1:39:24]
committee board that talked about data
center regulations. I've been to
[1:39:27]
numerous conferences, webinars, and for
the last couple years, I'm been talking
[1:39:33]
about data centers across the state
forever. Um, but [clears throat] we
[1:39:39]
started really looking in depth at
updating ours because and I want to make
[1:39:44]
everybody understand we do have the one
pager that exists right now that along
[1:39:48]
with our comprehensive plan, our
conditional use regulations.
[1:39:53]
We can
go ahead and use that and regulate it. I
[1:39:58]
would feel better with better
regulations, which is what we are
[1:40:02]
proposing. I mean, could we still do it
the old way? Absolutely. Can we do it
[1:40:07]
better this way? Absolutely.
So, um I don't want anybody to think
[1:40:13]
we're standing right now with nothing
because we do have things in place.
[1:40:18]
After a number of subcommittee meetings,
extensive research, the subcommittee
[1:40:22]
brought the first set of regulations to
the full planning commission on July
[1:40:25]
14th. Um at that planning commission we
discussed the regulations um entirely
[1:40:32]
item by item um with community members
in attendance. After that minor changes
[1:40:37]
were made. August 11th planning
commission held a public hearing
[1:40:41]
recommended to approve the data center
regulations with some changes and that
[1:40:46]
again is handed out to you. At the
public hearing, the planning commission
[1:40:50]
heard testimony and was presented with
an approximately 40 42page rewrite of
[1:40:55]
the regulations.
Um, planning staff and the Lincoln
[1:40:58]
County Deputy Attorney, we have reviewed
that document, found a few portions of
[1:41:03]
the document that we could possibly add
to the um, regulations.
[1:41:09]
And [sighs]
anyway, um
[1:41:13]
the one thing that I do want to say
about the 42page document,
[1:41:19]
there is quite a bit of of useful
information in there. Um,
[1:41:27]
the thing with this 42page document that
you guys all have a copy of, I think it
[1:41:33]
would be better served as a
policy review document or a data center
[1:41:42]
review document for staff to have, for
you guys to have as like a aside from
[1:41:48]
the zoning regulations, have this
document at the side. So when you do get
[1:41:53]
a data center, you can go through this
and say, "Oh, in the environmental
[1:41:57]
review, maybe we need to look at this or
maybe we have that in there, but they
[1:42:01]
could have added this." I think it could
be turned into a very usable document,
[1:42:07]
but not something that needs to be in
the regulations. And why I say that is
[1:42:11]
because if you look at this, it is so
detailed. So detailed. And when it comes
[1:42:17]
to regulations, a lot of times less is
more.
[1:42:20]
Because when you have so many details,
you're either going to leave something
[1:42:25]
out or you're going to have a project
that's going to hit every single one of
[1:42:30]
those regulations. And then where is
your ability to make a choice?
[1:42:37]
Where is your ability to make a choice?
Um, one of the things I want to point
[1:42:42]
out in their um, proposed regulations is
they have a section here where they
[1:42:48]
talked about all the people that should
be involved in the community benefits
[1:42:52]
agreement,
all the stakeholders that should be
[1:42:55]
involved there. It's great. Good list.
But they have Twin Plat NRD. What about
[1:43:02]
Middle Republic?
[1:43:08]
There's things like that in this
document. But again, there are a few
[1:43:11]
things in there that we did find in
those yellow highlights um that we can
[1:43:17]
probably reasonably insert insert. So
Judy, uh, since it's pertinent to the
[1:43:22]
procedure and a lot of folks are going
to want to speak to this individually,
[1:43:28]
um, is it should it be part of the
record that we recognize that this
[1:43:33]
document's going to be submitted and
kept and shared with planning comm or
[1:43:39]
planning commission?
>> Um, planning commission has a copy of
[1:43:42]
it.
>> I know that. I know they do.
[1:43:44]
Yeah. Um, I think what we could do with
it, I don't think we want to keep it in
[1:43:50]
that form. I think we would want to make
it like a public policy review. It'd
[1:43:55]
have to be massaged a little bit, but I
think we could use it as something as a
[1:43:59]
really good resource to use when you are
reviewing an application if it does come
[1:44:02]
forward.
>> Since you're on that topic, I believe I
[1:44:05]
have a a document here that Mr. Mora
submitted that kind of an abbreviated
[1:44:10]
portion or version of that is it
>> um I don't know I think that was kind of
[1:44:16]
» specifically line paragraph by paragraph
to know
[1:44:20]
» yeah they have some questions in there
it's it's not necessarily
[1:44:23]
» speak to that but
>> um so one final question while you're
[1:44:28]
presenting the so in uh in addition I
need to uh point out that part of the uh
[1:44:34]
uh process we do have a copy of the
amendment as proposed by planning and
[1:44:38]
zoning. So that'll be sub submitted into
the record. Correct.
[1:44:42]
» Anything else?
>> You do have a copy of that and you also
[1:44:45]
have a copy of the one with some
suggested edits that um came from the
[1:44:51]
community submitted packet that the
attorney and I took a look at and tried
[1:44:56]
to pull a few things out of there that
um would mesh with the regulations. And
[1:45:03]
I'm I'm getting a little bit ahead of
the process here, but it comes to mind
[1:45:08]
that as we move forward here and we give
consideration to these inputs and
[1:45:13]
they're good, as you say, there's a lot
of good input.
[1:45:16]
um out of difference for the planning
commission. I guess my goal today would
[1:45:21]
be to strengthen
in other words adopt these more robust
[1:45:26]
proposals that planning brought us but
at the same time send this back with
[1:45:31]
these uh proposals that have been shared
with the community uh citizen committee
[1:45:39]
to
further adjust the document if if
[1:45:44]
needed. My recommendation would be to
take the one that's the yellow
[1:45:48]
highlighted
um which is the second draft because it
[1:45:52]
doesn't change the intent of what
planning commission had intended and it
[1:45:57]
does also encompass some of the
additional things that the community
[1:46:03]
requested.
Um and Tyler, please correct me if I'm
[1:46:06]
wrong, but but my I guess it's my
recommendation. I guess I can have my
[1:46:11]
own opinion, right? [laughter] But
anyway, um what I what my recommendation
[1:46:17]
would be is to adopt that one with the
yellow highlights
[1:46:21]
and that way you have a stronger base.
And if you want the planning commission
[1:46:28]
to continue to work on it, that is
entirely up to you. We can go with what
[1:46:33]
you say or you can send it back and tell
planning commission you want more
[1:46:37]
research, more input to see what they
think.
[1:46:40]
» Sure.
>> Yes, sir. ask you your question.
[1:46:43]
» Absolutely.
>> Uh that is excuse me that's the draft
[1:46:46]
regulations suggested edits.
>> Yes.
[1:46:48]
» Dated August 27 20 26.
>> Yes.
[1:46:52]
» Thank you.
[1:46:57]
» Other question? Well, Judy, I think
we're on the same page. I I would like
[1:47:01]
to see us in some form get a more robust
document in place, but not close the
[1:47:06]
door. I would like to out of respect for
the planning and zoning committee and
[1:47:10]
what they all the work they put into
this to any final tweak or or adjustment
[1:47:16]
that they didn't have time to digest at
your last hearing. So, keeping that in
[1:47:21]
mind, I guess that's why I'm leaning
towards uh moving forward with something
[1:47:26]
today,
but
[1:47:29]
uh subsequently moving it back to those
folks so that you guys can go back over
[1:47:34]
it and pour over it and make sure that
we didn't miss anything.
[1:47:37]
» That's the the joy the the luxury that
we have with these types of documents is
[1:47:42]
they are living breathing documents can
always be strengthened. So, okay, Judy,
[1:47:48]
you don't have anything else right now?
>> I think I covered it all.
[1:47:52]
» Okay. Well, you raise your hand. Uh,
folks, I think we have roughly 18 people
[1:48:00]
that would like to speak on this
particular one. So, the public hearing
[1:48:03]
portion is certainly here
at uh 10:37.
[1:48:09]
Um, and again, if someone came in late
and didn't get on the sheet, that does
[1:48:14]
not preclude you from speaking. Please
understand that it was just a courtesy.
[1:48:18]
We appreciate people letting us know.
Uh, so thank you for that. But if if
[1:48:23]
there's somebody in the audience that
did not get on the sheet, we'll
[1:48:26]
certainly give you uh the opportunity.
Uh, so I'll give you uh who's up and
[1:48:31]
who's next so we can kind of keep things
rolling. Uh, we're going to shoot for
[1:48:34]
roughly a threeminut uh timeline if we
could. Uh, first would be Thomas Davis,
[1:48:41]
the first sneige. Uh, Rachel Nelson will
be right behind that. And then David
[1:48:47]
Fleece.
>> Good morning.
[1:48:50]
» Good morning. My name is Thomas Davis. I
live here in North Plat, Nebraska. I'd
[1:48:53]
like to talk about 8.22.02.
I urge the board to strengthen the
[1:48:58]
definitions of section 8.22.02 O2 from
cooling system through behind meter
[1:49:04]
generation so that the final regulations
cannot be avoided through technical
[1:49:09]
definitions or project segmentation.
Most of these definitions are
[1:49:13]
substantially the same in the community
and county drafts. That is a good
[1:49:17]
starting point but there are important
opportunities to prove them for
[1:49:22]
ancillary data center. The committee
draft allows a facility to occupy less
[1:49:26]
than 25% of a building while the county
draft uses the narrower standard of less
[1:49:31]
than 10% or 2500 square ft whichever is
less. I recommend retaining the narrower
[1:49:37]
threshold while adding language making
it clear that ancillary status cannot be
[1:49:41]
used to avoid data center requirements
when the use is functionally a data
[1:49:46]
center. The definitions of campus,
collocation, edge, hypers scale,
[1:49:53]
on-site, elliptical demand, infant
structure, and sensitive receptors
[1:49:58]
generally are similar. These should be
retained, but the county should ensure
[1:50:02]
that thresholds and terms used elsewhere
in this ordinance are applied
[1:50:05]
consistently.
Most importantly, behind meter
[1:50:08]
generation must be remain broadly
defined. Both drafts properly include
[1:50:13]
diesel, natural gas, fuel cells,
batteries, renewable systems, nuclear
[1:50:18]
systems, and combinations of these. The
stronger community approach is then to
[1:50:23]
require meaningful review of those
systems, including utility protection
[1:50:27]
and environmental analysis. Please have
the council refine these definitions
[1:50:32]
that they are clear, technology neutral,
difficult to circumvent, and coordinated
[1:50:36]
with the operative standards elsewhere
in 8.22.
[1:50:40]
Both documents are drafts. Please make
the final definition stronger at either
[1:50:44]
draft when necessary. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Thomas.
[1:50:49]
Again, Rachel Nelson is up next and then
David Fleece.
[1:50:53]
Good morning.
>> Good morning, guys. My name is Rachel
[1:50:56]
Nelson. I live here in North Plat. I'm
here today to talk about 8.2203.
[1:51:02]
I think it's fairly obvious we have a
large majority of the country that does
[1:51:05]
not county probably country as well that
does not want a data data center in our
[1:51:11]
area. That being said, I urge the board
to strengthen section 8.22.03
[1:51:17]
by incorporating the community
regulations measurable protections for
[1:51:20]
the site design, natural resources,
water, and wastewater, but with
[1:51:24]
technical and legal refinement where
necessary. The county draft contains
[1:51:29]
important protections. It requires
compatibility with surrounding
[1:51:33]
properties, attention to sensitive
receptors, adequate access, water,
[1:51:38]
wastewater capacity, and annual
sampling. But in several places, the
[1:51:43]
community draft turns general goals into
actual standards. For example, the
[1:51:47]
county simply says to minimize impacts
on natural resources. The community
[1:51:53]
vision requires measurable environmental
standards and connects them to ongoing
[1:51:57]
monitoring. It also changes campus
design provisions from what it merely
[1:52:01]
encouraged into requirements. Most
importantly, the community version
[1:52:05]
substantially strengthens water
oversight. Instead of annual sampling
[1:52:09]
alone, it requires monitoring of water
intake, discharge volumes, temperatures,
[1:52:14]
and quality, regular reporting, and
independent third-party verification.
[1:52:19]
Please retain that framework, but have
council and qualified water
[1:52:24]
professionals
refine the details. Not every water
[1:52:28]
quality parameter necessarily requires
continuous measurement and numerical
[1:52:33]
discharge limit should be supported by
applicable law. Engineering standards,
[1:52:38]
permits and site conditions. The final
ordinance should clearly establish what
[1:52:43]
gets measured, how often, who verifies
it, who receives results, and what
[1:52:48]
happens when the standards exceeded or
not met.
[1:52:52]
Both documents are drafts. Please
combine the county's framework with the
[1:52:55]
community versions. measurable standards
and independent verification. The goal
[1:53:00]
should not simply be requiring to an
applicant to promise that natural
[1:53:04]
resources will be protected. The county
should have objective information
[1:53:08]
allowing it to determine whether those
protections are actually being met.
[1:53:14]
Regulations might stop this project as
you have mentioned, but the fact is if
[1:53:18]
the regulations are not good enough to
stop anything, that's a reason. I beg
[1:53:22]
you guys to please look at this. Thank
you so much for your time. Again,
[1:53:28]
a reminder, there is no this project.
[1:53:34]
» All it takes is one word to get stuff
set aside.
[1:53:39]
[clears throat]
>> David Fleece. Good morning, sir. Again,
[1:53:42]
good morning.
>> I'm David Fleece, Southerntherland,
[1:53:44]
Nebraska. I respectfully urge the board
to substantially strengthen section 8228
[1:53:50]
governing behind meter electrical
generation. The county draft says
[1:53:55]
dedicated generation may be required to
offset a data center's electrical
[1:54:00]
demand, but it does not establish when
that requirement applies. More
[1:54:05]
importantly, its utility verification is
not required until prior to completion
[1:54:11]
of construction.
That information belongs in front of you
[1:54:17]
before approval, not prior to
construction completion.
[1:54:22]
The community draft provides the
stronger framework
[1:54:28]
before the planning commission approval.
It requires independent professional
[1:54:32]
review of transmission and substation
capacity, reliability, infrastructure
[1:54:37]
requirements, and potential impacts
associated with the systems serving the
[1:54:42]
facility. Please retain that approach,
but refine it with council and the
[1:54:48]
serving utility.
The county should require Applicants to
[1:54:53]
disclose projected electrical demand,
generation capacity, energy storage,
[1:54:58]
substations, transmission connections,
fuel infrastructure, required utility
[1:55:04]
upgrades, cost responsibility, and
applicable utility conditions.
[1:55:11]
And please prevent project segmentation.
Generation, storage, substations, fuel
[1:55:18]
systems, and other enabling
infrastructure serving the data center
[1:55:22]
should not escape disclosure simply
because they are separately owned,
[1:55:28]
located on adjacent parcel, separately
permitted or constructed later.
[1:55:35]
At the same time, the ordinance should
respect decisions legally belonging to
[1:55:40]
utilities and other regulators. Lincoln
County does not need to operate the
[1:55:45]
electrical g grid to make sound land use
decisions. It needs reliable information
[1:55:52]
about the whole project it is being
asked to approve. If that so happens,
[1:55:57]
please use the community draft as the
foundation and have council create clear
[1:56:03]
objective pre-approval requirements
within the county's lawful authority.
[1:56:10]
Also, I would like to state that I agree
with Chairman Williams's
[1:56:15]
opinion that that the changes are
adopted to further strengthen this and
[1:56:22]
then send it back for review to see if
we can strengthen it even farther. I do
[1:56:28]
appreciate that and I want to thank you
guys for your time and your efforts.
[1:56:33]
» Thank you, David. I appreciate that.
Okay. So, Nancy Nelson is was next here
[1:56:38]
in the list and then Susan Cipher after
that.
[1:56:44]
» You didn't give me an on deck.
>> On deck on quue.
[1:56:50]
» Sorry. [laughter]
>> You want to go to the bottom of the
[1:56:53]
list? [cough and clears throat]
[1:56:57]
» Nancy Nelson, settle in Nebraska. I'm
going to speak on 8.22.10
[1:57:02]
10 noise standards. I urge the board to
adopt strong measurable noise standards
[1:57:08]
in section 8.22.10.
[1:57:14]
The com the county draft requires data
centers to implement noise mitigation
[1:57:18]
measures to minimize impacts on nearby
residential areas. That is an important
[1:57:23]
goal, but minimize is not a measurable
compliance standard. How does an
[1:57:28]
applicant prove compliance? How does a
neighbor demonstrate violations and what
[1:57:34]
objective standards does the zoning
administration enforce? The community
[1:57:39]
draft provides a stronger framework
because it establishes numerical noise
[1:57:43]
limits, measurement locations, nighttime
protections, testing procedures, and
[1:57:49]
specific consideration of total and low
frequency noise. Please retain those
[1:57:55]
concepts, but do not adopt technical
numbers simply because they appear more
[1:58:01]
protective.
Before a final adoption, have a
[1:58:04]
qualified independent acoustic
professional evaluate the proposed decel
[1:58:09]
limits, frequency standard, measurement
locations, testing duration, background
[1:58:15]
noise, weather conditions,
instrumentation,
[1:58:19]
and treatment of emergency generators.
Then make the ordinance ask six
[1:58:25]
questions clearly. What gets measured?
Where, when, by whom? What constitutes a
[1:58:32]
violation? And what happens when the
facility exceeds the limits? The final
[1:58:38]
regulations to protect sensitive
receptors address both ordinary and low
[1:58:44]
frequency and tone or tonal noise
require pre-operational analysis
[1:58:50]
postoperational verification and
establish continuing compliance. Any
[1:58:56]
exception except exception for genuine
emergencies or required generation
[1:59:03]
testing should also be narrowly defined
as it does not become a loophole for
[1:59:09]
routine operation.
Please use the community draft as a
[1:59:13]
foundation. Replace the counties
counties subjective standards with
[1:59:18]
objective limits and have qualified
experts establish a technical record
[1:59:24]
supporting those limits. Noise
protection should be measured before
[1:59:28]
approval enforceful after operation
begins. And I would also like to thank
[1:59:34]
you Mr. Williams. This is a leaving
living living and breathing document.
[1:59:37]
We've heard that since June. So, I would
like something approved today more than
[1:59:43]
the one and then it goes back. Um, and
thank you, Judy. I liked the explanation
[1:59:48]
this um at the beginning of all the
other things that
[1:59:53]
the environmental and I'm going to go
review those and I thank you very much
[1:59:57]
for that ex explanation and for all the
hard work. Just remember you have
[2:00:02]
concerned citizens out here that have
been working just as hard. Thank you.
[2:00:07]
» Thank you, Na Nancy. Uh Susan Cipher is
up next and then Nancy Fleece.
[2:00:17]
» Hello Susan Cipher, Southern Nebraska.
>> Morning.
[2:00:21]
» Behind me generation is not simply an
electrical issue. It is also a land use,
[2:00:26]
environmental and emergency response
issue. This is why I urge the board to
[2:00:31]
incorporate the stronger protections
from the community version of section
[2:00:36]
822.08.
8. Unlike the county draft, the commit
[2:00:40]
committee version requires analysis of
fuel storage and spill containment,
[2:00:46]
battery chemistry and hazards, air
emissions, noise, vibration, cooling
[2:00:52]
water discharge, decommissioning, and
environmental regulations.
[2:00:58]
It also requires coordination with
emergency management, fire departments,
[2:01:02]
and emergency medical services,
including hazard disclosure, specialized
[2:01:08]
training, emergency access, shutdown
procedures, and communication protocols.
[2:01:15]
Those concepts should remain, but please
have counsel and qualified professionals
[2:01:21]
refine the language. Instead of
requiring a generation have absolutely
[2:01:26]
no negative impact, establish measurable
performance standards and compliance
[2:01:32]
requirements, require evidence of a um
applicable f federal, state, and
[2:01:38]
environmental permits and approvals
without unnecessary duplicating another
[2:01:44]
agency's regulatory authority. Energy
storage requirements should identify
[2:01:51]
technology, chemistry, capacity,
hazardous materials, failure modes,
[2:01:57]
monitoring, maintenance, emergency
response, and decommissioning.
[2:02:02]
The community draft also correctly
connects backup power systems in section
[2:02:08]
822.08
rather than treating backup generators
[2:02:12]
as unrelated equipment. That principle
is critical. Whether electricity comes
[2:02:18]
from the grid, natural gas turbines, gas
turbines, diesel generation, batteries,
[2:02:25]
fuel cells, and other technology, the
county should understand the
[2:02:30]
infrastructure and impacts before
improving the land use. Please adopt the
[2:02:35]
community framework refined in the
council and technical experts and make
[2:02:41]
822.08
comprehensive.
[2:02:44]
measurable, enforcable, technologically
neutral. Thank you.
[2:02:50]
» Thank you very much.
[2:02:55]
Uh, let's see if I didn't lose my place.
Nancy Nancy Fleece. Good morning. And
[2:03:02]
then we have Michelle Bogs.
>> Good morning. Nancy Fleece. I live south
[2:03:06]
of Southerntherland where this is
proposing to be built.
[2:03:10]
» No, ma'am. [clears throat]
>> No.
[2:03:11]
» No. I was very clear about that. We are
not here to talk about a project. Oh,
[2:03:15]
sorry. Regulations.
>> Can I talk about feelings?
[2:03:19]
» Are they good ones?
>> No, not necessarily.
[2:03:23]
» They're very sad feelings. What I do ask
is going to concern the minimum site rec
[2:03:28]
requirements. I urge the board to
substantially strengthen section 82207
[2:03:34]
while making sure its acreage and
setback requirements can be supported by
[2:03:38]
evidence. The difference between these
drafts is very significant.
[2:03:43]
The county requires only 10 acres with
ordinarily I1 industrial setbacks of 30
[2:03:49]
feet in front, 25 ft in the rear, and
just 10 feet on the side. The community
[2:03:55]
draft requires 120 acres and 500 foot
setbacks, requires future expansions to
[2:04:01]
maintain those setbacks, and allows the
county to require greater separation
[2:04:06]
based on proximity to residences,
agriculture, schools, and other
[2:04:10]
sensitive receptors. The community
approach provides substantially greater
[2:04:15]
protection. But I am not asking you to
adopt numbers simply because they are
[2:04:19]
larger. I am asking you to establish
meaningful setbacks reported by the
[2:04:25]
impacts the county is trying to prevent.
Noise, lighting, lighting, visual
[2:04:30]
impacts, mechanical equipment,
generation facilities, emergency risk,
[2:04:35]
and conflicts with neighboring land
uses. Please ask your planning staff,
[2:04:40]
technical experts, and county attorney
what evidence supports 10 feet, 500 ft,
[2:04:45]
or some other distance. Consider whether
ex sensitive receptors and
[2:04:50]
non-participating residences require
greater separation than ordinary
[2:04:55]
industrial property lines and whether
some setbacks should be measured from
[2:04:59]
buildings, generators, cooling
equipment, substations or other impact
[2:05:04]
producing equipment rather than simply
from partial boundaries. Also retain the
[2:05:10]
community requirement that future
expansion areas remain subject to the
[2:05:14]
applicable setbacks. A large acreage
requirement alone does not protect the
[2:05:19]
neighbor where the facility and its
equipment are located on that acreage
[2:05:24]
does matter. Please use a community
draft as the stronger starting point but
[2:05:29]
establish setback and acreage standards
that are protective, evidence-based,
[2:05:35]
measurable and defensible challenge if
challenged. I thank you and I ask you to
[2:05:40]
not only just come from your
commissioner hearts when you make these
[2:05:43]
decisions, but from your personal
hearts. This is my neighbor. This is
[2:05:48]
where I raised my kids. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Nancy.
[2:05:55]
Next up, we have Michelle Bogs. Michelle
and then we'll have uh Charles Fleece
[2:06:02]
on the in the queue.
>> Good morning. I am Michelle Bogs from
[2:06:06]
outside North Plat. I'm here to speak on
8.22.04
[2:06:12]
development standards. I urge the board
to strengthen section 8.22.04
[2:06:18]
04 by combining the county draft's
important water protection standard with
[2:06:24]
a more detailed and measurable
requirements in the community draft.
[2:06:30]
First, buffers should be requirements,
not possibilities. The county says
[2:06:35]
buffers may be required and exterior
surfaces should minim minimize visual
[2:06:41]
impacts. The community draft instead
says buffers shall be required and
[2:06:47]
specifies that buildings, cooling
equipment, and mechanical systems must
[2:06:53]
be screened. Please retain the stronger
mandatory language and specify where
[2:07:00]
buffers are required, what they must
accomplish, and how they must be
[2:07:04]
maintained. Water protection is even
more important. The county draft
[2:07:10]
properly says no data center should be
approved unless adequate water exists
[2:07:16]
and withdrawals and discharges will not
adversely affect groundwater or surface
[2:07:21]
water. Keep that standard. But the
community draft provides the evidence
[2:07:27]
needed to apply it. Quantified water
losses, replenishment requirement and
[2:07:32]
sources, drought planning, public water
certification,
[2:07:37]
well sustainability analysis, baseline
hydrarology, ongoing monitoring and
[2:07:43]
maintenance discharge protections. Those
provisions should form the foundation of
[2:07:49]
the final ordinance, but they need
technical and legal refinement. The
[2:07:54]
cooling language hierarchy should be
clarified. Engineers should determine
[2:07:59]
appropriate monitoring and testing
requirements, and council should
[2:08:03]
distinguish what Lincoln County can
enforce through zoning from discharge,
[2:08:08]
groundwater, or water quality decisions
belonging to the NRD or state and
[2:08:13]
federal agencies.
Finally, independent technical review
[2:08:18]
should be mandatory, not merely
something the county may request with
[2:08:23]
qualified experts selected by the county
and paid for by the applicant.
[2:08:28]
Please take the strongest provisions
from both drafts and create standards
[2:08:32]
that are mandatory, measurable,
technically supported, and within
[2:08:37]
Lincoln County's lawful authority. Thank
you for all the hard work, and thank you
[2:08:41]
for hearing us and considering Thank
you, Michelle.
[2:08:48]
Um, Charles, please. And then we'll have
Martin Mora.
[2:08:54]
» Martin will be up after Charles.
[clears throat]
[2:09:01]
» Morning, Charles. Fleece.
>> Morning.
[2:09:03]
» On uh section 8.22.6 16 decommissioning
on this whether we go along and we give
[2:09:12]
them a higher bond to hold them
accountable to the size of the project
[2:09:17]
the finance behind it. Um that's kind of
where I'm at there. It's going to get
[2:09:24]
put back as close to natural as it can.
Need to hold their feet to the fire.
[2:09:29]
Like you're saying, Commissioner
Williams,
[2:09:31]
the regulations are to hold their feet
to the fire and hold them accountable.
[2:09:37]
Whether
from the beginning of this process,
[2:09:42]
the regulations
could be a deterrent or a welcome.
[2:09:50]
I think we're in agreement. It it could
be a deterrent. Um,
[2:09:57]
lifechanging money could come to Lincoln
County, to Solen, to Wallace, to
[2:10:01]
Hershey. And is that worth it? What do
we get out of this?
[2:10:07]
Um, are they held if 100,000 gallons of
glycol get spilled? Do they clean it up?
[2:10:18]
What happens at that point? I guess
there's still a document that can be
[2:10:24]
worked on, can be changed, can be
addressed. Um, conditional use permit,
[2:10:30]
things can be added in there. There's a
lot of layers. I thought in the
[2:10:34]
beginning of this process, we were
protected and it was going to be okay.
[2:10:39]
Now, it's like a game of Plinko where
it's the they're they're just picking
[2:10:44]
their way through the process and
they're going to get to the bottom. They
[2:10:47]
will get there.
But what are what are we going to do,
[2:10:52]
guys?
As I said in the first time I ever stood
[2:10:56]
up in front of you guys, are we willing
to sell our soul for this? Are we
[2:10:59]
willing to fight?
I like to give deputy attorney enough
[2:11:04]
tools to fight. Kind of mentioned that
before. You can't just walk into ruin
[2:11:10]
and just start shooting. He needs to
have ammunition. He needs to have
[2:11:14]
something good to stand on so he can
fight for the rest of us also. And I do
[2:11:18]
appreciate that. I do
I do respect what you guys are trying to
[2:11:24]
do. Hopefully what you guys do get done
in this process.
[2:11:28]
Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Martin
[2:11:33]
and then we'll have Jan Knight after
that. Martin Mora, come on forward, sir.
[2:11:39]
Good morning. Good morning all.
>> Good morning.
[2:11:45]
So, commissioners, my comments today are
directed to the continuing compliance
[2:11:50]
provisions in the August 27th draft of
section 822. Um, during an earlier
[2:11:55]
meeting with planning and zoning, it was
noted that there is currently no
[2:11:59]
position specifically assigned to this
kind of continuing oversight. Um my
[2:12:04]
concern was once the application is
approved and the conditional use permit
[2:12:08]
is issued what and the facility is
operating who is responsible for making
[2:12:12]
sure those tools work together over the
lifetime of the facility information and
[2:12:16]
reports will need to be tracked over
time complaints evaluated inspections
[2:12:21]
coordinated and potential violations
considered and addressed. Eventually, I
[2:12:25]
believe that function could be fulfilled
by a small technically capable data
[2:12:30]
center compliance office or officer. I'm
not suggesting we create a new
[2:12:34]
regulatory body today. I'm presenting a
concept that may help us move forward
[2:12:38]
while preserving a clear path for
continued county level monitoring,
[2:12:42]
verification, and enforcement within the
authority available under Nebraska law
[2:12:47]
and statutes. That function could also
coordinate with rather than duplicate
[2:12:52]
the work already being done by existing
local and regional public entities and
[2:12:56]
other agencies or utilities with
responsibility in that respect.
[2:13:01]
Citizens should have somewhere they can
take a legitimate concern uh where it
[2:13:05]
can be documented, measured and
resolved. Planning and zoning and county
[2:13:10]
council should not become the first stop
every time that a resident reports a
[2:13:15]
problem or and it should also not result
in a bottleneck if there are potential
[2:13:20]
compliance issues that arise. If we're
going to establish meaningful standards,
[2:13:25]
I think we should also preserve the
county's ability to administer, monitor,
[2:13:29]
and enforce those standards as we move
forward. Having reviewed relevant
[2:13:34]
Nebraska statutes and existing county
powers, I'll provide a few references to
[2:13:39]
planning and zoning and council for
consideration uh after we kind of see
[2:13:43]
how today's meeting shakes out. Um the
benefit I would hope for is continuity.
[2:13:48]
Citizens have one place to go after the
fact in order to present any challenges.
[2:13:53]
Um, and the county is able to maintain a
durable record that would survive future
[2:13:59]
changes in staff, elected officials, and
ownership.
[2:14:03]
» Martin, before you walk away from the
podium, I I was remiss in not requesting
[2:14:06]
you speak your name. I spoke your name.
>> Oh, apologies. Martin Moore, North.
[2:14:11]
» Thank you. Thank you very
[clears throat] much.
[2:14:14]
Uh, Jan Knight and then Diane Hibner.
[2:14:19]
» Morning, Jan.
>> Morning. Go ahead and speak your name to
[2:14:23]
the microphone.
>> Jan N of North Flat, Nebraska. I am
[2:14:28]
speaking on environment environmental
monitoring 8220.
[2:14:34]
I urge the board to add the
environmental monitoring definition and
[2:14:38]
framework from the community regulations
with appropriate legal refinement. There
[2:14:44]
is an important difference between the
two drafts. The community regulations
[2:14:48]
establish environmental monitoring as an
ongoing independent program covering
[2:14:54]
development, construction, operation,
and decommissioning.
[2:14:59]
They require defined baseline conditions
and measurable standards for water use,
[2:15:04]
waste, discharges, lighting, and noise.
This is a major improvement over just
[2:15:09]
simply stating that a project must pro
protect the environment.
[2:15:15]
The community draft also requires
independent monitoring paid for by the
[2:15:20]
project also to relevant records and
facility information, regular reporting,
[2:15:26]
public availability of monitoring
results and binding requirements that
[2:15:31]
survive ownership changes and continue
through post decommissioning
[2:15:36]
remediation.
But I'm not asking the board to adopt
[2:15:40]
every sentence exactly as written. For
example, the position the provision
[2:15:45]
allowing affected communities to select
the monitoring authority should be
[2:15:50]
refined so that the stakeholders have
meaningful input without creating an
[2:15:55]
unintended veto. The ordinance should
also establish objective procedures for
[2:16:01]
setting performance thresholds and
should have council review provisions
[2:16:06]
concerning automatic compensation and
permit revocation.
[2:16:11]
The important thing is not though whose
draft gets adopted. Both documents are
[2:16:16]
drafts. The county currently has no
comparable standalone environmental
[2:16:21]
monitoring definition.
Please use the community draft as the
[2:16:26]
foundation. Strengthen it where
necessary and have council make the
[2:16:30]
final language objective measurable,
administratable, and legally defensible.
[2:16:36]
A data center should not simply promise
to comply. Lincoln County should have
[2:16:42]
the ability to measure compliance, know
when standards are exceeded, require
[2:16:48]
corrective action, and preserve those
protections for the life of the
[2:16:52]
facility. Thank you. Thank you for all
your help and all your hard work.
[2:16:57]
» Thank you,
Diane Hibner. And then we'll have
[2:17:02]
Shaylee Scranton. Diane, good morning
Diane. Morning.
[2:17:08]
I'm Diane Hibner.
I urge the board to make section 82215
[2:17:14]
one of the strongest provisions in the
final regulations. The data center
[2:17:19]
should not be reviewed as simply a
building on a parcel. The county needs
[2:17:24]
to understand the whole project and its
combined its combined impacts before
[2:17:29]
approval. The community draft provides
the stronger framework by requiring
[2:17:35]
environmental and community impact
analysis and updated review when the
[2:17:39]
project when projects expand. That
concept should be retained and
[2:17:44]
strengthened. The final ordinance should
require disclosure of the project's full
[2:17:50]
reasonable anticipated package such as
the buildings, the electrical demand,
[2:17:56]
substations and transmission needs
behind the meter generation, backup
[2:18:01]
power, batteries, fuel infrastructure,
water supply, cooling, wastewater,
[2:18:07]
roads, and the known future phases or
other infrastructure material materially
[2:18:13]
necessary to serve the project. That
does not mean Lincoln County regulates
[2:18:18]
everything disclosed. Utilities, NRDs,
and the state or federal agencies may
[2:18:24]
control particular infrastructure or
permits that the county cannot evaluate
[2:18:29]
land use impacts that it doesn't know
about.
[2:18:33]
require qualified professionals to
analyze the appropriate subjects and
[2:18:38]
allow the county to select and direct
independent reviewers at the applicant's
[2:18:43]
reasonable expense. The analysis should
evaluate combined and cumulative
[2:18:49]
impacts, not merely each component
separately, and require updates when
[2:18:54]
material project assumptions change,
such as electrical demand, water use,
[2:18:59]
generation,
um, infrastructure, the site design, or
[2:19:04]
expansion before the county approves the
changed project. Finally, make the
[2:19:09]
analysis part of the county's actual
decisionmaking record. It should provide
[2:19:14]
evidence for the planning commission and
board to make required factual findings
[2:19:19]
and not simply become another report
sitting in an application file. Please
[2:19:24]
use the community draft as the
foundation, but refine it with council
[2:19:29]
and technical experts. Lincoln County
should review the project that will
[2:19:34]
actually exist, including the known
dependencies, not merely the portion
[2:19:39]
appearing on the conditional use permit
applications. Thank you.
[2:19:44]
» Thanks, Diane.
>> Um, another question I just wondered,
[2:19:46]
um, I noticed that Gary Pson is here in
the audience. I was just wondering,
[2:19:52]
» Gary, would you mind sticking around
afterwards just to ask answer a few
[2:19:56]
questions if
>> Thank you.
[2:19:59]
» Thank you, Diane.
[2:20:03]
Consider I like your comments about the
whole project. That's kind of indicative
[2:20:08]
of David Fle's comments about fragment
segmentation. So that makes sense. SK
[2:20:14]
Shaylee is next and then Beth DeFreeze.
Good morning Shaylee. Speak to the
[2:20:19]
microphone to your name.
>> Good morning. I am Shaylee Scranton. I
[2:20:23]
live around Theford, but I do think that
this is a topic that's very important to
[2:20:27]
speak up about. And I'd like to urge
urge the board to strengthen section
[2:20:32]
8.22.06
by combining the county draft with the
[2:20:36]
more detailed emergency response
protections in the community draft. The
[2:20:41]
county draft requires emergency plans,
fire suppression, noise mitigation,
[2:20:46]
security, emergency service
improvements, annual inspections, and
[2:20:50]
county inspection access. Those are
important requirements, but the
[2:20:54]
community draft answers an important
question. What must emergency planning
[2:20:58]
actually address? It requires disclosure
of cooling and fire suppression
[2:21:03]
chemicals, battery systems, high voltage
equipment, substations, pressurized
[2:21:08]
systems, and decommissioning hazards. It
also requires specialized responder
[2:21:13]
training and necessary equipment funded
by the applicant. That is the stronger
[2:21:17]
approach. If a facility creates
specialized emergency response needs,
[2:21:21]
Lincoln County should identify those
needs before approval, not after an
[2:21:25]
incident. and taxpayers should not bear
reasonable project specific costs
[2:21:29]
created by the facility. But the
community language should also be
[2:21:33]
refined. Emergency management, fire
departments, and other qualified
[2:21:37]
professionals should identify necessary
project specific training and equipment.
[2:21:42]
Council should review inspection
provisions to distinguish emergency
[2:21:45]
access from routine regulatory
inspections. Private security
[2:21:49]
requirements should defer to applicable
law and appropriate law enforcement
[2:21:53]
coordination. Noise requirements should
also cross-reference the measurable
[2:21:57]
standards elsewhere in 8.22 rather than
relying only on the phrase minimize
[2:22:02]
impacts. The county's later section
8.22.17
[2:22:07]
already contains additional requirements
for emergency plans, radio coverage,
[2:22:12]
emergency contacts, responder training,
and specialized equipment. Please
[2:22:16]
consolidate the strongest provisions so
responsibilities are clear and not
[2:22:20]
scattered throughout the ordinance. The
final standard should answer four
[2:22:23]
questions. What hazards must be
disclosed? Who reviews them? What
[2:22:28]
preparedness is required? And who pays
for project specific response needs?
[2:22:33]
Please make those answers clear before
any facility begins operation. Thank
[2:22:37]
you.
>> Thank you, Shirley.
[2:22:41]
Beth to freeze. And then we'll have uh
Heather. I apologize. I'm sure the last
[2:22:46]
name.
>> It's okay. It's fine.
[2:22:49]
» Okay. Good morning. Next.
>> I'm Beth Different Lake Subdivision.
[2:22:56]
» I urge the board to strengthen section
82205.
[2:23:01]
The community and county drafts are
essentially the same. They both require
[2:23:06]
one parking space per employee based on
the largest shift. ADA compliant
[2:23:11]
parking, two loading spaces per
building, and then states that access
[2:23:16]
should be designed to ensure efficient
traffic flow and prevent congestion.
[2:23:22]
Our wish is to change should be designed
to shall be designed. It's efficient and
[2:23:31]
safe access is important enough to put
in this ordinance. It should be in an
[2:23:37]
enforcable requirement rather than a
suggestion.
[2:23:41]
Second, the site design should address
the traffic a particular project will
[2:23:45]
actually generate. The county shall
require adequate on-site parking,
[2:23:50]
loading areas, security gate, queuing,
emergency access, and safe ingress and
[2:23:55]
egress so that vehicles do not have to
maneuver on the public roads. The
[2:24:01]
ordinance shall account for both
construction and operational traffic.
[2:24:07]
Finally, requiring two loading spaces
per building may not fit every facility.
[2:24:13]
A better standard would require
applicant to demonstrate loading and
[2:24:18]
service areas are adequate for each
building subject to a reasonable county
[2:24:23]
minimum.
This these changes do not require you to
[2:24:28]
predict every future traffic problem,
but it does require the applicant to
[2:24:33]
disclose expected traffic and how to
safely accommodate it.
[2:24:38]
I would like clarification on one point.
Um, if I've asked this twice, I've got a
[2:24:47]
yes answer. I've gotten a no answer. If
a company complies with all regulations
[2:24:52]
as adopted, does the county still have
the option to say no to a proposed
[2:24:59]
company?
And if it can, can you put that in the
[2:25:04]
regulations?
We are here to protect the people and
[2:25:09]
our resources, not protect business.
Thank you.
[2:25:13]
» Thank you, Beth. U I'm confident we can
still say no.
[2:25:18]
want to speak to that real quickly
since it's it's on topic and we won't
[2:25:24]
forget it. It's an maybe technically
>> I want to speak at the end again too if
[2:25:29]
you'll allow me.
>> Um so one of the things that I forgot to
[2:25:33]
say when I was doing my little planning
101 speech conditional uses go with the
[2:25:37]
land. So when people are asking about
what holds the next owner to the same
[2:25:44]
standard, the conditional use is
granted. It goes with the property. No
[2:25:47]
matter who the owner is, no matter what
happens until such time as that 12
[2:25:52]
months comes and they don't use it
anymore, then they have to go to
[2:25:56]
something else or they change what
they're doing. Otherwise, it goes with
[2:26:01]
the land. So that continued compliance
with whatever's in that conditional use
[2:26:04]
stays with that property.
Um, now your question on can you deny
[2:26:10]
it?
Yes, if you have something that is
[2:26:14]
factbased behind the denial. You cannot
have a conditional use permit fill this
[2:26:21]
room with 120 people and everybody says,
"I don't want it. I don't want it. I
[2:26:25]
don't want it." And then you guys say,
"Okay, I don't want it." Why? You have
[2:26:30]
to have a why. You have to have a fact.
Is there environmental concern? Is there
[2:26:38]
wind, noise? Is there something? You
have to have a fact.
[2:26:45]
Um, Tyler, did I explain that well
enough?
[2:26:48]
» Close enough for now. Yeah. [laughter]
>> But you do have to have some fact behind
[2:26:54]
it. You cannot deny an application
simply because you do not want it.
[2:26:58]
» Well, I I appreciate the question. I
just wanted to address it in timely
[2:27:02]
fashions before we forgot it.
Um, Heather, and I apologize. I don't
[2:27:08]
didn't What's the last name? Heather.
>> Heather Gunnan. North Plat. Um,
[2:27:14]
» next.
>> Sorry. Um, I have looked through I don't
[2:27:18]
have the community
whatever that they're talking about. I
[2:27:22]
just have the cities that was provided
to me here today. Good.
[2:27:26]
» I just have a concern about heat dome. I
don't see this mentioning a heat dome at
[2:27:32]
all.
uh several places where they have them.
[2:27:37]
The the local within a few miles of the
site depending on how the size, how much
[2:27:43]
power it's running, um the wind that the
moisture and air, there's so much
[2:27:48]
environmental impact that could happen.
And being as how climate change is
[2:27:53]
running everyone's
prediction models into the dirt, I would
[2:27:59]
recommend a much larger
required
[2:28:04]
size of the entity, the the square
footage of the property just because if
[2:28:09]
there's farmers next door, they're going
to need they're I mean six degrees
[2:28:14]
increase over what it's like sometimes
110. So if it gets to 116 degrees around
[2:28:19]
the property, anybody trying to grow
anything, anybody who lives there is
[2:28:22]
going to need more air conditioning,
going to need require more water for
[2:28:26]
their animals, for their pets, for
themselves. Um,
[2:28:32]
so
I would
[2:28:35]
I would like someone to put something in
there whereas under the requirements for
[2:28:42]
any whoever's trying to put this in to
increase the
[2:28:49]
availability of the electric and water
to the some 25 mile
[2:28:58]
circum circumference of the property.
because we don't know where the heat
[2:29:01]
dome is going to go. We don't know how
big it's going to be. I know that that's
[2:29:05]
I would like it to be specifically in
the environmental
[2:29:09]
impact
requirements for them to do a study on
[2:29:13]
it and I would like to have it
updated at least by annually within
[2:29:19]
annually within the first five years of
operation
[2:29:23]
just so because the prediction models
are Excuse my language.
[2:29:28]
um the prediction models. I mean, we're
having once in a lifetime weather for
[2:29:34]
the rest of our lives, at least monthly
somewhere. So, uh I know that that's
[2:29:40]
going to make it they're going to have
to buy a ton more land, but
[2:29:45]
it's
it's only going to get hotter and having
[2:29:50]
a huge heat dome is only going to make
that so much hotter. And you can't grow
[2:29:56]
things when it gets to I mean that's
where most of the county's money comes
[2:30:00]
from is just green things
and it will all be brown.
[2:30:08]
» That's all I have to say. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Heather. Faith Coburn is up
[2:30:11]
next and then Pam Elliott.
[2:30:18]
» Well, thank you. Okay. uh Pam Pam
Elliott
[2:30:26]
and then we'll have Teresa Roert if she
chooses to speak.
[2:30:32]
Good morning. My name is Pam Elliot and
I live in North Plat, Nebraska. I urge
[2:30:36]
the board to adopt substantially
stronger requirements for backup power
[2:30:40]
systems section 8.221.13.
[2:30:44]
Backup generation should not be treated
as incidental equipment. A large data
[2:30:49]
center may have multiple generators,
fuel systems, batteries, exhaust
[2:30:54]
sources, and associated equipment. The
county should evaluate their combined
[2:30:58]
impact, not simply each piece
individually.
[2:31:02]
The county draft contains useful
protections, including environmental
[2:31:06]
compliance restrictions on routine
testing hours, noise mitigation, and
[2:31:10]
fuel storage requirements.
But the community draft provides the
[2:31:15]
stronger framework by making backup
power subject to the comprehensive
[2:31:18]
behind meter generation requirements in
section 8.22.08
[2:31:23]
that brings fuel storage, air emissions,
noise, vibration, environmental impacts,
[2:31:29]
emergency planning, and decommissioning
into the review.
[2:31:34]
Please retain that approach and
strengthen it further. Before approval,
[2:31:38]
require disclosure of the number and
type of generators, fuel source,
[2:31:43]
individual and total generating
capacity, locations, fuel storage,
[2:31:48]
exhaust systems, anticipated testing and
operating hours and projected emissions.
[2:31:55]
Also distinguish genuine emergency
operator operation from routine testing
[2:32:00]
and other non-emergency operation.
Calling equipment backup should not
[2:32:05]
create a loophole allowing regular
generation to escape escape standards
[2:32:10]
intended for normal operations. Require
evidence of all applicable state and
[2:32:15]
federal air quality permits and have
qualified experts evaluate aggregate
[2:32:20]
noise emissions, heat related impacts
and risks to nearby sensitive receptors.
[2:32:27]
The county should not attempt to replace
state or federal environmental
[2:32:30]
regulators, but it should in understand
the land use impacts of the complete
[2:32:35]
backup power system before approving any
project.
[2:32:41]
Please combine the strongest provisions
of both drafts to make 8.22.13
[2:32:46]
measurable, technology neutral,
independent re independently reviewable,
[2:32:51]
and enforceable through the facility's
life. Backup power should be reviewed
[2:32:57]
prior to any project being approved, not
after.
[2:33:03]
Thank you.
>> Thank you, Pam.
[2:33:06]
Terresa Roers. And then we have Muriel
Clark. And again, if anyone else didn't
[2:33:11]
make the list and wants to speak.
>> Okay. Good morning. I'm Teresa Roer from
[2:33:16]
Southerntherland.
>> Good morning.
[2:33:17]
» Hi. Um, I think you've heard throughout
this whole speech, all these speeches,
[2:33:21]
that we're trying to help you understand
that it's important to have a plan
[2:33:26]
before approval, to make them measurable
after construction, and to continue with
[2:33:32]
their compliance afterward. And I think
all of these things that we're talking
[2:33:36]
about include all that. I want to speak
specifically about 82211 and 82212,
[2:33:42]
which is lighting and screening. Um, the
lighting provisions provided by the
[2:33:46]
county give us a pretty good guideline,
but it does not uh does not establish an
[2:33:52]
objective limit on how much light can
actually leave the property. The
[2:33:57]
community draft establishes a property
line spillover limit. It requires fully
[2:34:02]
shielded fixtures with no upward light
emission and establishes nighttime
[2:34:07]
dimming and requires continuing
maintenance. Um, we have also with the
[2:34:13]
screening the same concerns. The
community draft goes further by
[2:34:17]
requiring the applicant to demonstrate
that screening actually provides visual
[2:34:23]
protection. It meets the section 82210
noise standards, which is what they're
[2:34:28]
supposed to be there for, and remains
durable over time. It also permits
[2:34:33]
alternative designs when professionals
can provide equivalent performance.
[2:34:39]
Um through all of this, it is not only
what happens the day they build the
[2:34:44]
building. Please don't just regulate
what happens then. It has to be for the
[2:34:50]
maintaining for the life of the
facility. And that's what we're asking.
[2:34:54]
Make it a plan before approval,
measurable performance after
[2:34:58]
construction, and then continuing
compliance throughout the life of the
[2:35:02]
project. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Teresa.
[2:35:06]
Uh the last we have on our list is Mur
Muriel Clark. And again, if anybody else
[2:35:13]
didn't get on the list and wants to come
forth after Muriel's presentation, we'll
[2:35:17]
uh we'll invite you up. Good morning.
>> Good morning, Muriel Clark from
[2:35:21]
Southerntherland. After engaging in this
process for the past four months and
[2:35:26]
listening to countless testimonies
concerning data centers, including
[2:35:29]
everybody who testified here today, the
board of commissioners and the planning
[2:35:33]
commission are to be are to be commended
for the preliminary work that you've
[2:35:38]
done so far. The point has been made in
today's testimony is that both
[2:35:44]
regulations, the one from the planning
commission and the one that the citizens
[2:35:48]
prepared are drafts. The county draft
contains meaningful improvements, the
[2:35:53]
community draft goes considerably
farther in many areas. We understand
[2:35:58]
that in our zeal to protect our
communities, our resources, and our
[2:36:02]
environment that the community draft
contains provisions that go too far and
[2:36:07]
that are not defensible. The testimony
today and the community concerns that
[2:36:12]
have been raised these past four months
make it clear. The regulations adopted
[2:36:16]
by the county must contain the strongest
provisions possible. We've seen
[2:36:21]
disastrous effects of underregulated
data center construction in other
[2:36:26]
Nebraska communities and across America.
Lincoln County cannot repeat those
[2:36:31]
mistakes.
As you consider the amendments today,
[2:36:36]
and I urge you to go section by section
to make sure that they provide the
[2:36:41]
strongest protections possible, use one
baseline, the protection of Lincoln
[2:36:46]
County communities, not accommodation of
data center projects.
[2:36:52]
The community proposals and the
testimony that you hear today reflect
[2:36:57]
what our citizens value. strong
communities, strong environmental
[2:37:01]
protection, quality infrastructure,
unhampered emergency services, and
[2:37:06]
quality of life for residents near
potential sites. We feel, and I think
[2:37:11]
you've heard from the testimony here
today, that the draft from the planning
[2:37:15]
commission doesn't go far enough. And we
do understand that some of the proposals
[2:37:20]
from the community draft go too far.
Again, there are both drafts and we
[2:37:26]
understand that. So, here's what we ask.
That you adopt a strong version of A22
[2:37:32]
today. Go through the proposed
regulations section by section and
[2:37:37]
review each one of them through the lens
of protecting our communities. Then
[2:37:42]
treat the version that comes out of
today's action as a working document.
[2:37:46]
Send what you adopt back to the planning
commission for more revision. You can do
[2:37:51]
both things at once. Adopt strong
standards today and commit to
[2:37:56]
strengthening them as more information
becomes available. As Mayor Keller said
[2:38:01]
earlier, rules are important and what
you do here today will establish those
[2:38:06]
baseline rules that we can build upon to
make sure that any project protects the
[2:38:12]
communities around them. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Miel.
[2:38:18]
Now we've come to the end of this list
and we have someone that is jumping for
[2:38:22]
joy to come.
>> Good morning.
[2:38:25]
» Good morning. Elizabeth Tagmire,
resident of North Plat.
[2:38:28]
» I'm going to sign you in.
>> You're not on this list. So sign that
[2:38:32]
one if you would.
>> These folks already signed in. So I have
[2:38:35]
this for the for the clerk.
>> Thank you.
[2:38:39]
» Just counting [clears throat] on my
minutes. No, [laughter]
[2:38:44]
» I'm walking over my minutes, not your
minutes.
[2:38:48]
» You begin when you're ready.
[2:38:54]
» Okay. Well, commissioners, first of all,
thank you. This has been a very
[2:38:57]
enlightening process. Have been um
joining you most weeks listening um in
[2:39:02]
on things. One thing I well I wasn't
prepared to speak so you're not getting
[2:39:07]
a written uh statement here but as I was
looking at the draft version that that
[2:39:14]
was prepared by the planning commission
for the commissioners um I came across a
[2:39:20]
word may
and as someone who deals pretty
[2:39:24]
regularly herself with state statute and
policy um I have an opinion about the
[2:39:29]
word may and that also of Shell because
Those those are they're big things. May
[2:39:36]
means you may or may not do it and shell
means you will do it. Um so just want to
[2:39:42]
point out that tomorrow night the North
City Council, which I know you're not
[2:39:47]
controlling that body, but they are
going to discuss rate increases to
[2:39:51]
electricity and water.
Likewise, uh the North Public School
[2:39:56]
Board has just now um indicated that
they will be going to the pink postcard
[2:40:01]
uh meeting here later in September. And
so I'm pointing these things out to
[2:40:06]
indicate that um residents of this
county are facing rising costs all the
[2:40:12]
time. And the language that concerns me
and the reason it concerns me is the
[2:40:18]
generation of electricity. Um I have
noticed our our light and water bill
[2:40:23]
continues to go up every summer higher
than it was the previous summer. And um
[2:40:31]
and one thing that concerns me is
section um 8.2208 behind meter
[2:40:37]
electrical generation requirements. It
says that each behind me meter data
[2:40:43]
center may be required to provide
dedicated electrical generation and
[2:40:48]
energy storage or a combination thereof
sufficient to offset 100% of the
[2:40:54]
facility's projected electrical demand.
There's that word may. They may or they
[2:41:00]
may not. And I really think that that
needs to turn into a shell because we
[2:41:05]
have seen in other communities that
supply and demand affect the cost of
[2:41:11]
electricity and it hurts residential
consumers of electricity. And so when
[2:41:17]
there's a higher demand that these data
centers are going to put on the grid and
[2:41:22]
according to Mayor Kellahar um he came
and spoke at the Lincoln County
[2:41:26]
Republican meeting in July and said that
you know yeah they start out behind the
[2:41:30]
grid and then you know within six to
seven years they're going to want access
[2:41:34]
to the grid. And so when they gain
access to our electrical power grid,
[2:41:40]
it's going to affect our rates because
when there's a higher demand on
[2:41:46]
electricity, then the prices go up. So I
would ask that you would change one word
[2:41:52]
from May to Shell to protect the
residents of not just North Plat but
[2:41:57]
Lincoln County from higher rate
increases that may come um if a data
[2:42:02]
center would be built in their area.
Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that,
[2:42:07]
Elizabeth.
U
[2:42:10]
once again, anyone else folks that
didn't [clears throat] get a chance,
[2:42:15]
didn't make our list, that doesn't
matter. This was just a convenience to
[2:42:19]
expedite time and thank you all for
helping us with that. Oh, we have one,
[2:42:24]
Judy.
Good morning.
[2:42:28]
» I'm Judy Peterson. I live uh just south
of North Plat. I do serve on the
[2:42:32]
planning commission, but I am not here
as a representative for the whole
[2:42:36]
commission. One thing I will say is each
time that we have a meeting and each
[2:42:40]
time there's a project brought in in
front of us, um there is extensive
[2:42:45]
amount of reporting that has to be done
before anything is approved. Um but we
[2:42:50]
also have to take into consideration how
anything that we put into a conditional
[2:42:54]
use permit for that type of industry,
how that affects another industry. um
[2:43:00]
such as fuel storage storage or fuel
spillage or anything like that when you
[2:43:05]
think about us being in an egg area. And
so I just wanted to say I really
[2:43:10]
appreciate all the work that they went
to and it's been extremely valuable. Um
[2:43:16]
but I also want to have them think about
how we have to think about how any
[2:43:22]
regulation we put onto one business
may affect another one. and so how that
[2:43:29]
all can work together and so we can try
to raise all votes instead of um or you
[2:43:36]
know uh control um the county but we do
have to think about all of those other
[2:43:41]
kinds of um businesses that might be
impacted by a regulation that we put in
[2:43:47]
place. So thank you very much.
>> Thank you for that.
[2:44:00]
David Fle, Southern, Nebraska.
>> David, you double you're double dipping
[2:44:04]
on me, but
>> I know I apologize for that.
[2:44:08]
[clears throat]
>> Go ahead.
[2:44:09]
» Doing my reading reading reports from
universities and institutes.
[2:44:15]
One of the things that jumped out at me
and I don't know the difference. I don't
[2:44:19]
and maybe maybe Judy she wants to talk
can explain them. it's in your
[2:44:23]
wheelhouse. Conditional use permits as
opposed to a dedicated land use permit.
[2:44:30]
Because one of the things I read this
morning, just this morning earlier, one
[2:44:34]
of them recommended that you possibly
make it a dedicated land use permit that
[2:44:40]
will stop. I don't know why it said
that, but it it said it might discourage
[2:44:46]
building on farmland helter skelter and
it might,
[2:44:51]
you know, kind of limit it and focus it
more. So maybe you can address that
[2:44:57]
because I don't know the difference and
maybe you guys do, but
[2:45:01]
» maybe make this a dedicated land permit
instead of conditional language.
[2:45:05]
» Okay. Thank you for that point. Uh
before we get Judy back up again, uh the
[2:45:12]
public comment period, I want to kind of
get it finalized here. Did we miss
[2:45:17]
anybody, folks?
No,
[2:45:21]
I don't see any hands. Okay.
At 11:35, we're going to close the
[2:45:28]
public hearing portion
of this uh procedure [clears throat]
[2:45:33]
and we're going to go to deliberation
and and Q&A for Judy and Tyler or
[2:45:39]
anybody else that we need to talk to or
quiz. Uh Judy, since that David brought
[2:45:45]
that up, do you want to begin by
addressing that particular question?
[2:45:50]
» Okay. I I did not see the article that
he read or whatever he read, but the
[2:45:54]
difference between a permitted or a
dedicated land use versus a conditional
[2:45:59]
use is you guys never see the
application. If you want to go a
[2:46:03]
dedicated land use, I'm going to tell
you right now, I'll probably have to
[2:46:06]
quit my job because I don't want the
responsibility of getting a data center
[2:46:10]
in my lap and saying yes or no. I don't
want that. That's that's why you guys
[2:46:14]
get paid paid big bucks. But that is the
difference. Um, what you would do with a
[2:46:20]
permitted use is
you're going to have areas of the county
[2:46:27]
that you would maybe zone industrial.
So, you'd have to go in, look at the
[2:46:32]
county, and say, "Okay, all these areas
would be perfect for data centers." And
[2:46:38]
you would say, "Okay, you can be here as
long as you're zoned industrial." If
[2:46:42]
they're zoned industrial,
that comes to me. I sign off on the
[2:46:46]
little baby and they build their
structure.
[2:46:48]
» We have no recourse.
>> You have no recourse other than me
[2:46:52]
saying yes or no. And again, I do not
want that responsibility. I'm going to
[2:46:56]
tell you right now, I will probably walk
out
[2:47:00]
» because I do not want that. As
[clears throat] part of this long
[2:47:02]
process, we did have some areas
>> that were zoned permitted, but you came
[2:47:09]
and recommended that we change them
because
[2:47:13]
» you realized that and brought it to us.
>> Correct.
[2:47:16]
» So, that was what we did several weeks
ago when I originally brought the
[2:47:20]
amendment to the land use matrix to you
and we changed those from permitted to
[2:47:25]
conditional. Now what the conditional
does and you guys know this and the
[2:47:29]
public may not know this but what the
conditional does is they bring the
[2:47:33]
application to me with all the required
documents plus I can request any
[2:47:40]
additional document that I feel is
needed for planning commission and the
[2:47:44]
board of commissioners to make a
reasonable decision. So, not only
[2:47:49]
everything that's in this regulation
when you pass it, everything that's in
[2:47:54]
the U comp plan, everything in any of
the other zoning regulations, they bring
[2:48:00]
me an application, I can say, "Okay, you
need to bring me this also because I
[2:48:04]
don't think you have enough information
to allow the planning commission and the
[2:48:08]
board of commissioners to make a good
decision." So, and that is one of the
[2:48:13]
things with Okay, I've always said I
hate LB663. Okay, I'm going to kind of
[2:48:18]
maybe give it a little bit of a win. Um,
that pre-application meeting is very,
[2:48:22]
very important. I do that now just as a
personal thing with a lot of the
[2:48:27]
conditional uses, I will sit down, look
at it, but it's usually kind of a Judy
[2:48:32]
meeting. Sometimes I might call Jason or
one of the others in, but where there's
[2:48:36]
a requirement for that pre-application
meeting, now I can say, "Look,
[2:48:40]
everybody, this person, this person,
this person, and this person's coming to
[2:48:44]
this pre-application meeting, and we're
going to sit down and review this before
[2:48:49]
it ever comes in front of you." So, we
have a really good idea of what that
[2:48:53]
conditional use is. And that can be with
anything. Data centers can find animal
[2:48:57]
feeding operations, twin towers, solar,
anything that's a conditional use. And
[2:49:02]
so that's kind of a good thing because
now I have resources to help make a
[2:49:08]
educated choice on what's coming in
front of you.
[2:49:12]
» On top of that, we can place additional
conditions on top of what is in the
[2:49:17]
regulation.
>> Yes, with a land use permitted land use
[2:49:21]
permitted only, they come in, if they
meet the guidelines, I sign off, it's
[2:49:26]
gone. conditional. They come in, maybe
they meet the guidelines, it comes to
[2:49:31]
you guys or goes to planning commission
first. They say, "Okay, yeah, you meet
[2:49:35]
the guidelines, but we want this also,
which may be some additional screening,
[2:49:39]
maybe some additional setbacks." Um, I
mean, hard to say. Maybe a document of
[2:49:45]
some sort and then or they may have a a
period on there. We've done conditional
[2:49:50]
use permits where you've said the
conditional use permit expires in 10
[2:49:53]
years.
Um, you can do that. And the thing that
[2:49:58]
you have to go with again, and I know
the individuals in the audience think
[2:50:02]
our regulations are vague. Well, work
with state statute because state statute
[2:50:07]
says planning commission and the board
of commissioners can put on any
[2:50:12]
reasonable condition.
Go find in state statute the definition
[2:50:17]
of reasonable. There isn't one. Does not
exist. So, what is reasonable? That's
[2:50:22]
for you guys to make a choice when you
do the additional uses.
[2:50:25]
Tyler, get anything to add?
>> No, you're doing great. Judy, [laughter]
[2:50:29]
Judy,
>> back to to David's question. We did
[2:50:33]
close a loophole on industrial zoned
property for not being able to just come
[2:50:39]
in and get it.
>> Correct. No matter if
[2:50:42]
» So, we did close that loophole.
>> We did close that
[2:50:44]
» just recently.
>> Yeah. Right now, today, if we got an
[2:50:47]
application, it's conditional use.
>> Yeah.
[2:50:50]
» So, that would have to come in front of
you.
[2:50:53]
» Uh Mr. Fleece, great question though.
I'm really glad that you brought that
[2:50:58]
up. Another important thing to to
consider with that is if it's permitted,
[2:51:04]
it does just go to Judy and she has all
of the decision making. When we changed
[2:51:11]
it, it it goes to Judy, the planning
commission. They have a public hearing
[2:51:16]
where you guys can all show up and
participate. And then when it comes to
[2:51:21]
us, another public hearing. [snorts]
Those are two really important steps
[2:51:25]
that I feel protect our community
probably better than anything else.
[2:51:34]
» Can I keep going?
>> Sure.
[2:51:36]
» I'm going to make you guys miss lunch,
just so you know. Okay. So, um I don't
[2:51:41]
want anybody to think that I do not like
the regulations that the um community
[2:51:46]
put forward that 42 day page document. I
think it's great. I think they have a
[2:51:51]
lot of information in there. I do not
feel that it needs to be or should be
[2:51:59]
part of the actual zoning regulation
because what that does, and I've said
[2:52:04]
this a hundred times, the more strict
you make a regulation, the less
[2:52:09]
opportunity you have to make a choice.
So, some of the things that are in there
[2:52:16]
are very, very, very helpful. Um some of
the things that they hit on was um water
[2:52:21]
oversight. Who does that? NRD, NDWE,
um EPA for any type of contamination. If
[2:52:31]
we put that in our regulations, then
number one, we're overstepping and I
[2:52:35]
don't know if we have a right to do that
to begin with. Tyler would have to
[2:52:37]
answer that. And number two, do we have
environmentalists on staff or the
[2:52:44]
ability for us to hire one that can go
do that or look at it or know what
[2:52:47]
they're talking about? I do planning. I
don't do water usage,
[2:52:51]
but we require all those studies in the
regulations that we're proposing. We we
[2:52:57]
require an environmental study, uh
energy study, use usage study, a water
[2:53:03]
study. um we require engineering study,
we require an environmental impact
[2:53:09]
analysis, all of that stuff is going to
be in there. So that 43page document,
[2:53:14]
that's going to be a huge useful tool
for me when for you when you get that
[2:53:19]
packet and it says, "Oh, did we hit all
these environmental things? Oh yeah,
[2:53:23]
that'll be awesome." Or, "Wait a minute,
we forgot something or they forgot
[2:53:27]
something." Because we will be reviewing
all of those. One of the other things
[2:53:31]
that they talked about is public
availability.
[2:53:34]
Um, I've worked for city and county
government for 28 years. I've had
[2:53:38]
attorneys tell me all the time,
"Whatever hits my desk is public
[2:53:42]
record."
So, when they submit an environmental
[2:53:45]
study, you can see it. When they submit
a whatever study it is, you can see it.
[2:53:51]
You can request a copy. Now, there may
be a fee associated with that. I don't
[2:53:54]
know. But, uh, they want to come in and
look at it in my office, it's there. So
[2:54:00]
I write little notes you can you can
read those if you want to too because it
[2:54:04]
is public knowledge public record. Um
the other thing they talked about is um
[2:54:10]
energy requirement. So one of the things
when it talks about the energy
[2:54:13]
requirement on the back of the meter
behind the meter and someone had said
[2:54:18]
something about well how do we how do we
know you know if our costs [snorts] are
[2:54:22]
going to go up? I pay for electric too.
I don't want my cost to go up at all.
[2:54:26]
And that's why you have that energy
study to begin with. And before any
[2:54:31]
project like this starts, they have to
go through either NPPD or Dawson or
[2:54:37]
whichever power company it is, maybe
it's Makook Public Power, wherever it
[2:54:40]
is, because we're covered by a number of
them, and they have to have one of those
[2:54:43]
studies done that's going to tell us
where that consumption is. If it comes
[2:54:47]
to you and it looks like they're not
going to have the ability to do it and
[2:54:50]
our rates are going to go up, that's
where you guys get to make that
[2:54:53]
decision. Um, so to put that in the
regulation, it's going to be in the
[2:54:58]
study. And you don't know because each
project is going to be different.
[2:55:04]
You might have one that's going to use
very little, I mean, probably unlikely,
[2:55:09]
but very little energy, and you're going
to have one that's going to use mega
[2:55:12]
mega energy. And so to put it in a
regulation,
[2:55:17]
it's going to come back in that study
when you know what a project is because
[2:55:22]
we have no idea. We have no idea. And
these regulations are built for any type
[2:55:28]
of a data center project. We have no
idea what that's going to be. Wish we
[2:55:32]
all had a crystal ball so we could
figure that out because I would like to
[2:55:35]
know too. Um they talk about
battery storage, fuel storage. So if you
[2:55:42]
look at our regular um our regulations
right now, we do have battery storage
[2:55:47]
regulations.
However, I will say we probably ought to
[2:55:50]
look at those again, but they are in
there. Page 175. Um, we do have above
[2:55:55]
ground storage tanks which is for
hazardous materials. That's on page 160.
[2:55:59]
So, we have those regulations in place
and again we have the performance
[2:56:03]
standards of industrial conditional
uses. Um, the facts that you added back
[2:56:08]
in um those are on there also that help
protect you. Um,
[2:56:15]
acreage.
This is a big one that was that we
[2:56:18]
talked about a lot at planning
commission in our committee, our
[2:56:21]
subcommittee. We started out saying we
wanted them to have 500 acres and then
[2:56:26]
we got down to, well, maybe they should
only have 120 acres. Well, then one of
[2:56:31]
the things that's in our comprehensive
plan,
[2:56:35]
environmental protection section,
how do you be an a county and protect a
[2:56:43]
community when you're requiring that
they take 500 acres out of egg
[2:56:47]
production?
If they can meet all these regulations
[2:56:52]
on the least amount of land, if they can
meet the noise standards, if they can
[2:56:56]
meet, you know, your water usage, all
these noise standards on the smallest
[2:57:00]
amount of land, that's taking taking the
smallest amount of egg production out.
[2:57:07]
So that's how we ended up at the
conclusion where we were at. Um,
[2:57:12]
setbacks that was also a huge huge huge
discussion.
[2:57:17]
You can't base setbacks again simply
because you don't like a project.
[2:57:23]
Setbacks have to be based for some
factual reason. What do we know 100% for
[2:57:28]
sure that's going to require a 500 foot
setback?
[2:57:32]
Noise. Do we know that? I don't think we
know know that know that until we get
[2:57:37]
the noise study.
And that's why when this was written
[2:57:41]
too, it was written with a lot of maze
instead of shells
[2:57:46]
because what if you have something small
come in,
[2:57:50]
they can mitigate their noise with a
fence and when you have a large one,
[2:57:55]
they're going to need BMS and trees and,
you know, whatever. It's so hard to
[2:58:00]
predict until you get that environmental
impact analysis back.
[2:58:07]
Okay, I'm done.
[2:58:11]
I don't know what else to say, but
anyway, no, I think I think what the
[2:58:15]
community did with that 42page thing, I
think it is great. I think we can use
[2:58:20]
that as a policy manual, as a review. I
don't know what you would call it, a
[2:58:25]
standard operating procedure when
reviewing these. I think it would be a
[2:58:29]
very, very useful tool. But as far as
being in the actual regulations, we took
[2:58:35]
out what we thought we could. And again,
if you guys want to adopt what you've
[2:58:39]
got in front of you and go back and have
planning commission look at it, that's
[2:58:43]
my opinion. They could come up with
something entirely different.
[2:58:47]
» I I like that a lot. I like I'd like to
send it back out of deference and
[2:58:50]
respect to them. They spent a lot of
time on this and uh we adopt a more
[2:58:56]
robust guideline today,
but we don't kick the door shut. We send
[2:59:02]
it back down to our colleagues planning
and zoning. That's my take on
[2:59:09]
» Do you have any questions? Any more
questions?
[2:59:13]
» Tyler, you were supposed to jump in with
me. What do you do?
[2:59:16]
» Didn't let me get worried.
>> Judy, you did a really good job in
[2:59:19]
addressing because I had notes and you
pretty much checked them all out.
[2:59:24]
» Great explanation. I will address one
one key thing because I did go back
[2:59:28]
after the planning commission meeting
and I did look um the draft the planning
[2:59:32]
commission draft had 14 instances where
it said the word may had 72 instances
[2:59:37]
where it used the word shall
I think 5 to1's pretty good when we're
[2:59:41]
trying to maintain
[2:59:46]
» uh before we uh close the hearing and
move on to resolution consideration uh
[2:59:53]
does anybody else have anything
colleagues.
[3:00:00]
No one. Okay. It's 11:49. We're going to
close the public hearing portion. Now,
[3:00:05]
we're going to discuss and consider
adoption of resolution number 2026
[3:00:09]
29-29,
an amendment to the Lincoln County
[3:00:12]
Zoning Regulations Section 8.22 data
centers regarding data center
[3:00:17]
regulations.
[3:00:24]
I'm just clarifying this does include
the portion that is in red for the
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community benefits agreement definition
changes.
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» Is that correct?
>> I hope it does. Yeah. Does that need to
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be changed?
>> It's in red on the draft that we got to
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make it. [clears throat]
>> It's not a side note.
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» Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, Nancy. I
>> um
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Well, me too. My wife says I don't
listen to her. Uh the question was
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and
my my gohead I wanted clarification that
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the community benefits agreement
definition the draft that we have that
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uh was updated during the
>> planning commission public hearing.
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um that that those changes are in red
and I just wanted to make sure that what
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we are considering that that is actually
part of what we are considering those
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those necessary changes. So that's all I
was seeking clarification on Nancy.
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» So to that to that point clerk do you
have the conf confident you had the
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right document to be considered? I have
the resolution
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» just like the other two resolutions you
passed. The the resolution is an
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enacting document. The actual draft is
going to get more or less staple to the
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back of it as an exhibit. So you'd be
passing the if you're doing what I think
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you're doing passing the draft uh
version 8.22 that is has the suggested
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that it's from Judy and myself in it.
That's what we get stapled to the back
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of the resolution.
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with the additional changes noted.
>> Yes.
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» Yes.
>> Chair, I have a question to ask probably
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of our council.
This is uh in regards to water.
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» Okay.
If
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a project comes into county
and if they
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decommission wells to supplying the
water,
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does that egg ground get taxed
as dry land or irrigated ground? Is that
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something that's in the regulations or
is that in the community benefits
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agreement? I believe that's going to be
in the tax laws. Uh that's a better
[3:02:49]
question for Julie who happens to be in
the audience, but I won't put her on the
[3:02:53]
spot. Uh because I don't know it's
incredibly germanine to what we're doing
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today. I think that's probably outsider.
>> I wanted to see if that was something
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that was needed to be in the regs or
not.
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» I don't think I would go in regulations.
>> I think it's already covered.
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» That answers my question.
Okay.
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Um,
we had some written documentation, Mr.
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Chairman. I'd like to have that entered
into uh the record as evidence
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uh to include. I know that uh Mr.
>> I think we Yeah, you can identify. I
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think we did submit that to the clerk,
did we not?
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» Yes, I gave it to you.
>> Yes, she had it.
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» Yeah, but we got something this morning
from uh Mr. George lobby and I know he
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made comments during public comment
period not during the public hearing but
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I want to make sure that his comments
were entered in as part of the
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» three.
Okay.
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» All right. So the proposal would be to
adopt the resolution
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as uh
crafted between Judy Clark and Vulmer.
[3:04:08]
Correct Judy
with the
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highlighted portions
included.
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» Correct.
>> Okay.
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What's your wishes, colleagues?
[clears throat]
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Mr. Chairman, I'd make a motion that we
adopt resolution 2026-29
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to approve the amendment to the Lincoln
County Zoning Regulations Section 822
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uh data centers.
Uh this would include the additional
[3:04:40]
changes that we have we had mentioned
earlier highlighted. They're in red on
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our documents and included as part of
the exhibit that the clerk has for our
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vote on the resolution. That's my
motion.
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» I will second
>> a motion and a second. Um,
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I guess not necessarily
directly from
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» impacting the uh the uh motion, but I
would I guess I would request that we
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identify that we have any intention to
send this back to planning and zoning.
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» That would be my friendly amendment that
we include.
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» I'll accept that. I didn't know if we
wanted to do that as part of the motion,
[3:05:22]
but I certainly would accept that as
part of the amendment. Okay. Thank you.
[3:05:28]
uh so that we can continue to work on
and refine it which we should which we
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should
everyone in agreement the amendment
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» chair we would have uh
regulations in place
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» yes
>> in that process
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» yes immediately correct Tyler
>> yes [clears throat]
[3:05:52]
» so we're we're we're immediately
strengthening our regs and still leaving
[3:05:59]
the opportunity for planning and zoning
and Judy Clark to review.
[3:06:04]
All right, and thank you all today for
your uh attention to this and appreciate
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your input. Sincerely,
roll call, please.
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» Iruff.
Hi,
[3:06:18]
» Bruns. Hi,
>> Williams. Hi.
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» Okay. Um
resolution.
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We have to sign a resolution here.
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Do we need a close session?
No. Good.
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Okay.
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G.
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» Okay.
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» Okay.
>> Thank you. She
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» next we have hear concerns from elected
officials, department heads or
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representatives.
>> The road man's here. Any storm reports?
[3:07:42]
Jason,
>> do you have anything for us on anything?
[3:07:50]
Did we get all the claims?
>> No, we're still
[3:07:53]
» still signing them.
[3:08:09]
[clears throat]
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» Kayla, did you
probably not there yet, but for the
[3:08:16]
transportation study. Thank you for
covering that.
[3:08:20]
» No problem. It was a good
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» Yeah, I just wanted
[3:08:43]
» it performed manual reset.
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» That's reason.
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I would prefer not
>> to
[3:09:01]
understand
[3:09:11]
the button and see what does come.
[3:09:15]
» And so part of part of this is parts and
repairs.
[3:09:20]
It's not just manual reset troubleshoot.
[3:09:35]
» I think that's very
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subm
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seems
that really high.
[3:10:13]
Well,
>> I think uh
[3:10:19]
» I think it's
>> performed manual reset and I think it's
[3:10:23]
way more than that.
>> Yeah, but you know it should be a little
[3:10:27]
bit more than that. I mean, you know,
when that kind of a bill
[3:10:31]
» understood
>> and it's it's not on Booker, it's on our
[3:10:37]
» whether I don't care if it's AJ, I don't
care snails,
[3:10:41]
but
[3:10:52]
Sounds like my alarm, but it's not.
[3:11:01]
[clears throat]
[3:11:08]
» Uh, let's go on to committee reports.
Anybody have a committee report?
[3:11:14]
» I do have a committee report.
Uh
[3:11:21]
Lincoln County Crossroads had our
monthly meeting on Wednesday morning
[3:11:27]
via Zoom with the JEO
group and the um committee local
[3:11:34]
committee people.
[clears throat]
[3:11:37]
» It was a great meeting. Um we discussed
primarily the upcoming um meeting at the
[3:11:44]
college that we're going to have on
>> and I don't have all my notes with me
[3:11:50]
here [clears throat] and allergies are
wreaking havoc with my voice. Uh but it
[3:11:56]
is September 17th
5:00 pm out at Midplains Community
[3:12:02]
College South Campus. Uh,
[clears throat]
[3:12:07]
in our meeting, we agreed to do a
hybrid. Instead of having it be a
[3:12:13]
full-blown town hall or a full-blown
open house, we're going to combine those
[3:12:19]
two meetings. Uh, so there will be an
agenda that is very time-specific put
[3:12:25]
out. Uh, so people don't think it's a
come and go and get there after certain
[3:12:32]
things have been presented. So, be uh
looking for the press release. I believe
[3:12:37]
that's coming out to all the press
today. We will do a better job and
[3:12:43]
advertising it farther in advance this
time was one of the conversations I had
[3:12:48]
with JEO and so um we I feel like we've
really come to a good spot. They will
[3:12:55]
have a lot of information that the
committee hasn't even seen yet by the
[3:12:59]
time we get to the to the open house
slash town hall.
[3:13:05]
» Very good.
[3:13:15]
» I'm glad to see that you do the hybrid
things
[3:13:19]
instead of, you know, [clears throat]
>> we have we had a lot of discussion about
[3:13:25]
that. I think the hybrid meeting is
going to be more informational
[3:13:30]
» and it'll help everybody be able to hear
uh questions and answers at the same
[3:13:36]
time.
>> That's important.
[3:13:37]
» That's very important to me.
>> Is that the way you're going to come
[3:13:39]
across as well?
>> 30 different meanings when you leave the
[3:13:43]
thing.
>> Yeah.
[3:14:07]
Becky, you have anything while we're
signing these final claims.
[3:14:15]
» Don't come don't show up Monday and
don't come over here,
[3:14:18]
» right?
[3:14:23]
[clears throat and snorts]
[3:14:28]
is any relation?
>> Not that I'm aware of.
[3:14:33]
» You don't want to sign that one. That's
>> I don't The reason I did is because
[3:14:37]
there two of them with the same amount
on them.
[3:14:41]
» That's traditional.
>> I know. But um
[3:14:45]
» yeah, it does kind of throw up a red
flag, but it's it's how we usually do
[3:14:49]
it.
>> Watching.
[3:14:51]
» Yeah. There's two lodging lodging.
[3:14:58]
» I see they took in some more money.
>> This was an inner fund transfer and it
[3:15:04]
wasn't the lodging fund and the
improvement fund like we usually have.
[3:15:08]
This is this is an inner it's an
improvement transfer of the lodging fund
[3:15:13]
but for operating expenses but it's
still 29.99.
[3:15:19]
So it was a little bit confusing.
We took care of the budget.
[3:15:23]
» Okay.
>> All right.
[3:15:30]
» Let's see. What do I want to keep? We'll
keep the one with my comments.
[3:15:44]
[clears throat]
>> Is that it?
[3:15:47]
» That is it. Right.
>> Have them all.
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» No more.
[3:15:54]
Okay, I want to once again thank our
colleagues here at the city of
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Northplation
for us today. Uh thank you to all the IT
[3:16:04]
folks that made this a seamless process
moving across the street. Thank you so
[3:16:09]
much for that.
Mayor Keller, uh Mr. Gross.
[3:16:16]
Thank you to those gentlemen for being
very gracious to let us use this these
[3:16:20]
chambers.
So having nothing else that I know we
[3:16:24]
have to be come before the board today.
Becky says no. It's 12:05. We shall
[3:16:30]
adjourn.
[3:16:36]
There's my budget. There was something
else.
[3:16:53]
That's a lot.
[3:16:59]
» Thank you.
[3:17:09]
I'm going to have to put wheels on my
So I could if I wanted to talk a
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I just