1 00:00:00,070 --> 00:00:05,910 Let's call this Lincoln County Commission meeting to order. It's Tuesday, September 15th, 20260830. 2 00:00:06,430 --> 00:00:07,830 Madam Clerk, roll call, please. 3 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:09,940 Commissioner Sermis. 4 00:00:10,310 --> 00:00:12,750 Here, Commissioner Appraiser. Commissioner Chavez. 5 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:15,270 Commissioner Wilson. 6 00:00:15,510 --> 00:00:16,710 Chair Fischer. 7 00:00:17,070 --> 00:00:19,030 Invocation, please, for Commissioner Wilson. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,040 What does we gather here today? I've been just reaching. 9 00:00:26,470 --> 00:00:28,070 Well, it's it's present in. 10 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:31,950 That they have a willingness and a desire to work for the betterment of. 11 00:00:32,110 --> 00:00:33,110 Of all people here. 12 00:00:33,550 --> 00:00:34,990 Lord, as we begin this. 13 00:00:35,230 --> 00:00:36,790 Meeting We ask for your wisdom. 14 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:39,830 We acknowledge that we need your wisdom and insights. 15 00:00:40,110 --> 00:00:42,030 We welcome your presence here among us. 16 00:00:42,430 --> 00:00:45,550 Guide us in our discussions and decisions and help us. 17 00:00:46,150 --> 00:00:47,190 Do and seek. 18 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:48,830 The best for all involved. 19 00:00:48,990 --> 00:00:50,030 Amen. Amen. 20 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:51,630 Pledge of Allegiance. 21 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:54,630 Pledge allegiance to the flag. 22 00:00:55,230 --> 00:00:56,670 The United States of America. 23 00:00:57,430 --> 00:00:59,750 And to the Republic for which it stands. 24 00:01:00,150 --> 00:01:00,950 One Nation. 25 00:01:01,070 --> 00:01:05,110 Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 26 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:08,610 I suppose I can stay there in. 27 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:12,630 Reasonable, perfect friendships among united cultures. 28 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:14,270 Thank you very much. 29 00:01:17,070 --> 00:01:22,030 So I'm going to request a motion to approve the agenda and allow the chair to move items. 30 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:27,750 Sure, I move. We approve the agenda with Chair making necessary changes. 31 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:28,310 2nd. 32 00:01:29,550 --> 00:01:30,830 Madam Clerk, roll call, please. 33 00:01:33,110 --> 00:01:35,310 Commissioner Prather. Commissioner Sarah. 34 00:01:35,950 --> 00:01:37,190 Commissioner Chavez, Yes. 35 00:01:37,310 --> 00:01:39,430 Commissioner Wilson. Yes. Chair Fisher, Aye. Motion pass. 36 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:40,950 Thank you. 37 00:01:41,550 --> 00:01:44,310 This is probably the best part of the whole meeting. We're going to have some. 38 00:01:44,550 --> 00:01:45,990 Service recognition. 39 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:47,470 This morning. 40 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:51,430 And. 41 00:01:53,350 --> 00:01:56,830 We do this basically every time we have the opportunity. 42 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:58,430 Because it's important. 43 00:01:59,030 --> 00:02:01,270 That we recognize our employees. 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Who really make this county work? 45 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:06,030 So the first one. 46 00:02:06,470 --> 00:02:07,790 It's Kelsey Guevara. 47 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:09,460 See here. 48 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:15,770 Very good. 49 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:19,840 So Lincoln County service excellent award, one year of service. 50 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:25,240 The following award is presented to Kelsey Guevara in recognition of your outstanding commitment. 51 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:29,230 Service and invaluable contributions to the people of Lincoln County. 52 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:30,190 New Mexico. 53 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:33,230 Your dedication reflects the spirit and resilience. 54 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:36,590 That define our community. Awarded this 15th day of September. 55 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:37,760 2026. 56 00:02:37,870 --> 00:02:40,070 Congratulations and thank you very much for being. 57 00:02:48,090 --> 00:02:48,920 The next one. 58 00:02:50,230 --> 00:02:51,830 Is for Miss Stephanie Warren. 59 00:03:00,010 --> 00:03:03,360 Lincoln County Service Excellence Award one year of service. 60 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:06,630 The following award is presented to Stephanie Warren. 61 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:09,910 In recognition of your outstanding commitment service. 62 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:13,790 An invaluable contributions to the people of Lincoln County, New Mexico. 63 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:16,230 Your dedication reflects the Spirit. 64 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:18,630 In resilience that defined our community. 65 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:22,550 Ordered this 15th day of September 2026. Congratulations. 66 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:31,710 The next one's for. 67 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:33,190 Miss Bethany Mark. 68 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:47,780 We know there's always somebody in the background that keeps everything working if there is any one person you want to point out. 69 00:03:48,510 --> 00:03:48,830 Destiny. 70 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:52,790 So Lincoln County Service Excellence Award, one year of service. 71 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:55,710 The following award is presented to Miss Bethany Martin. 72 00:03:56,150 --> 00:04:00,670 In recognition of your outstanding commitment, service and invaluable contributions. 73 00:04:00,790 --> 00:04:02,990 To the people of Lincoln County, New Mexico. 74 00:04:03,270 --> 00:04:05,190 Your dedication reflects the Spirit. 75 00:04:05,430 --> 00:04:07,390 And resilience that define our community. 76 00:04:07,630 --> 00:04:09,710 Awarded the 15th day of September. 77 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:11,750 2026 Congratulations. 78 00:04:17,230 --> 00:04:17,550 Thank you. 79 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:20,750 Now this is. 80 00:04:21,830 --> 00:04:23,000 Pretty amazing. 81 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:27,310 So miss Amanda Vega through heel. 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Yeah. 83 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:36,190 Now, as we all know, commissioners come and go. 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,040 But the county still has to perform. 85 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:41,910 And perform in an excellent way. 86 00:04:42,270 --> 00:04:43,510 And we depend on our. 87 00:04:43,790 --> 00:04:45,150 Our long standing. 88 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:46,310 Talented. 89 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:48,440 And dedicated workforce to do that. 90 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:53,310 So Lincoln County Service Excellence Award, 20 years of service. 91 00:04:53,470 --> 00:04:56,870 The following award is presented to Miss Amanda Vega through Hero. 92 00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:59,990 In recognition of your outstanding commitment. 93 00:05:00,390 --> 00:05:03,910 Service and invaluable contributions to the people of Lincoln County. 94 00:05:04,030 --> 00:05:04,990 New Mexico, Uh. 95 00:05:05,390 --> 00:05:08,990 Your dedication reflects the spirit and resilience that define our community. 96 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:11,390 I ordered this 15th day of September. 97 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:12,710 2026. 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,840 I have to be undone. 99 00:05:25,590 --> 00:05:26,910 Miss Diane Shoemaker. 100 00:05:30,470 --> 00:05:31,350 Don't mind at all. 101 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:36,570 Oh yes. 102 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:41,830 For a minute there I didn't know. 103 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Again with. 104 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:46,990 Diane Shoemaker. 105 00:05:47,350 --> 00:05:48,910 Has been with us for 20 years. 106 00:05:49,310 --> 00:05:50,070 And, umm. 107 00:05:50,630 --> 00:05:51,870 In those 20 years. 108 00:05:52,190 --> 00:05:53,950 Of course, there's been a lot of commissions. 109 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:57,640 There's been a lot of county clerks. She has spent all 20 years of those years. 110 00:05:57,870 --> 00:05:59,470 In the county clerk's office. 111 00:05:59,910 --> 00:06:03,190 And that is a big accomplishment. She has been through at least 40. 112 00:06:03,310 --> 00:06:07,190 Plus elections, hundreds of thousands of recordings. 113 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:09,030 She has been. 114 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:10,630 Instrumental in. 115 00:06:11,030 --> 00:06:12,510 The books, the. 116 00:06:12,630 --> 00:06:14,070 Past books, getting them. 117 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:16,630 Scanned and imaged into the system. 118 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:19,190 Historical documents are becoming available. 119 00:06:19,310 --> 00:06:21,350 On our website for people to look at. 120 00:06:21,470 --> 00:06:22,800 And she has been. 121 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:26,390 Tremendous in taking care of all that. So we have her certificate. We also have a. 122 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:28,270 A little plaque that was made by. 123 00:06:28,670 --> 00:06:29,950 One of our employees. 124 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:30,870 For her. 125 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:33,070 So thank you for your service. 126 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,000 OK. Thank you. Congratulations. 127 00:06:52,830 --> 00:06:53,750 Thank you again. 128 00:06:53,870 --> 00:06:54,870 From the Commission. 129 00:06:56,070 --> 00:06:57,510 And all the citizens of the county. 130 00:07:02,950 --> 00:07:03,590 So the next. 131 00:07:04,670 --> 00:07:08,590 Next event are public comments and announcements. This is going to be. 132 00:07:09,590 --> 00:07:12,230 A three minute, 3 minute time period. 133 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:14,310 A limit for each person. 134 00:07:14,670 --> 00:07:15,630 And we ask that you. 135 00:07:16,270 --> 00:07:18,230 To the table state your name. 136 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:19,470 And then? 137 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:22,720 Tell us what you think, what your issues are. 138 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:23,630 Anybody. Yeah. 139 00:07:25,630 --> 00:07:26,790 I've always got something. 140 00:07:33,580 --> 00:07:34,460 3 minutes. 141 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,360 Good morning, Chairman. 142 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:44,030 Commissioners, David Vandenberg, Lincoln County Citizens. 143 00:07:44,750 --> 00:07:48,095 Continuing from last month's meeting, I want to speak about our civic duties and what our shared priorities should be. We are 144 00:07:48,095 --> 00:07:51,440 being watched by our citizens. 145 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:53,390 Our peers, our families, and the world. 146 00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:54,670 What are they seeing? 147 00:07:55,030 --> 00:07:58,450 And these are the real value. Just because we are busy here today does not mean our work aligns with our foreign duties, as a 148 00:07:58,450 --> 00:08:01,870 reminder. 149 00:08:02,110 --> 00:08:05,490 Our duty is to the Constitution of the United States, the state of New Mexico. Those documents make clear that our 150 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:08,870 responsibilities are to the people. 151 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:15,270 So I ask is the work leading up to today focused on what is truly affecting all of us and is it focused on protecting the people? 152 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:18,790 Are we discussing the national crisis that is undermining our government and the political failures that we see impact everyone of 153 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:21,830 us? 154 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:26,430 If we're not seeing these issues, taking them seriously and discussing plans with our citizens, then. 155 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:30,190 What people will see is a group of leaders who failed at the number one job. 156 00:08:31,090 --> 00:08:32,330 As a body of leadership. 157 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:33,870 Up for Lincoln County. 158 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:37,090 I'd like to know your thoughts on the corruption in lawlessness our government has shown over the last 2010 or even the last five 159 00:08:37,090 --> 00:08:40,070 years. 160 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:46,350 And while we have not addressed these matters directly with our county citizens, does anyone here share concern about the risk? 161 00:08:46,630 --> 00:08:50,630 Of a government drifting toward more communist, socialist and Islamic influences. 162 00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:57,440 Are we so absorbed in the work that the system expects us that we forget to stand up and do our true job for the people? 163 00:08:57,710 --> 00:09:01,750 The same device of tactics tearing the country apart have reached us here at home. 164 00:09:01,830 --> 00:09:03,950 Well, you're not free from that national angst. 165 00:09:04,430 --> 00:09:07,490 Elections alone will not fix this. We've allowed the system to drift far from the foundational rules that once set our country 166 00:09:07,490 --> 00:09:10,550 apart. 167 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:11,670 You can see it. 168 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:14,610 Do you talk about it with your friends and family? Do you hear the same concerns? And the question, why isn't someone doing 169 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:17,470 something? 170 00:09:17,950 --> 00:09:21,160 I cannot cover every failure of government and its agencies today. 171 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:24,790 Nor can I do a full historical review of how our government has forgotten to point. 172 00:09:24,990 --> 00:09:28,830 But that has gotten to this point by decades of misrepresentation. 173 00:09:28,950 --> 00:09:32,350 By corrupt actors and politicians on both sides. 174 00:09:32,670 --> 00:09:35,870 Failing to stand up for the Constitution, the people and the truth. 175 00:09:36,110 --> 00:09:38,790 But I ask each of you, do you also see them happening? 176 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:44,440 Do you wonder why elected representatives are allowed to continue in a position when we all see. 177 00:09:44,590 --> 00:09:48,190 That the job they're doing and have done and how it does not meet the standards. 178 00:09:48,350 --> 00:09:51,000 Of our constitutional laws that protect the people. 179 00:09:51,310 --> 00:09:55,435 Let us agree on this. We expect our elected representatives at every level to be accountable. Their actions should benefit and 180 00:09:55,435 --> 00:09:59,560 protect the people from the very government we put in place. 181 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:04,243 We're here for a purpose together at this time, to do something. Something our peers, family and friends, as well as our neighbors 182 00:10:04,243 --> 00:10:08,496 in every community are counting on. I'm here telling you what I expect of you and what you should be telling your elected 183 00:10:08,496 --> 00:10:12,749 representatives what you expect of them. 184 00:10:12,990 --> 00:10:16,210 That as sex, as in Sections 2, three and four of our State Constitution, all political power is vested in and derived from the 185 00:10:16,210 --> 00:10:19,430 people. 186 00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:23,310 The people have the soul and exclusive right to govern themselves, and we have the right. 187 00:10:23,550 --> 00:10:27,750 Natural, inherent, and the negligible rights of which we are supposed to enjoy, of defending life, liberty, property, and seeking 188 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:31,950 and obtaining safety and happiness. 189 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:34,350 That is our duty and that is our priority. 190 00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:35,230 Thank you. 191 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:37,310 Thank you, Sir. 192 00:10:40,820 --> 00:10:41,600 Anyone else? 193 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:43,360 Yes, ma'am. 194 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:44,830 Please come forward. 195 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:49,630 Counselor, they're not as organized as him, but I agree with organized. 196 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Thank you. I guess on the lively portion of the group you were speaking about. 197 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:59,070 I wanted to talk about the. 198 00:11:00,270 --> 00:11:00,950 Cameras. 199 00:11:01,390 --> 00:11:02,350 Kenya Eckert. 200 00:11:03,110 --> 00:11:05,950 I don't know. I'm talking to you guys because you guys are doing the vote. 201 00:11:06,270 --> 00:11:09,750 I wanted to talk about the cameras that are on the. 202 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:13,290 Agenda today that you guys are going to be I don't know if you voted for it or if it's already something that's going to be 203 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:16,150 happening, but. 204 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:18,750 I think that having like. 205 00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:21,790 All of our data and our daily lives. 206 00:11:21,950 --> 00:11:27,390 Catalogued and tracked by these flock cameras that needs to be addressed. I don't think that that giving up. 207 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:32,315 Our liberty for a little bit of safety is a very good idea. I think that that's leading us towards the Communist China or the 208 00:11:32,315 --> 00:11:36,880 fascist state that that man was talking about. 209 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:40,550 In Bernalillo County, they are dealing with. 210 00:11:41,950 --> 00:11:48,240 Audit trials and all kinds they've taken down their flock cameras and severed ties with the block safety because. 211 00:11:48,350 --> 00:11:49,430 Of all the data. 212 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:52,790 Discrepancies and things that they've been dealing with so. 213 00:11:53,270 --> 00:11:58,030 And then on top of all the data collection that's happening from the cameras and all the storage that's happening, that goes into 214 00:11:58,030 --> 00:12:02,790 the whole data center stuff with. 215 00:12:02,950 --> 00:12:07,337 That's why there's data centers cropping up all over New Mexico to store our movements who are seeing what we're doing in 99% of 216 00:12:07,337 --> 00:12:11,724 that information has nothing to do with solving crimes, finding missing children or women or any of that type of stuff. It's 217 00:12:11,724 --> 00:12:16,111 actually just. 218 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:19,070 Finding out what we're doing, our purchasing habits. 219 00:12:19,310 --> 00:12:21,030 And spying on us so. 220 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:27,930 If we want to protect our water, which I always complain about and I want you guys to always be looking into, we need to not be 221 00:12:27,930 --> 00:12:34,710 spying on ourselves and keeping all that data in this information, you know, and it just seems very careless, so. 222 00:12:36,270 --> 00:12:41,190 That's basically all I really came to say. Also I don't know if the license plate readers is that. 223 00:12:41,270 --> 00:12:44,550 Part of the flock thing, but the ones that are in Ruidoso. 224 00:12:44,630 --> 00:12:47,270 The company that's connected to the. 225 00:12:48,270 --> 00:12:49,310 The machines. 226 00:12:49,550 --> 00:12:53,830 They don't even coincide with the citations that they're giving out to people. And the money is not even going anywhere to 227 00:12:53,830 --> 00:12:58,110 Ruidoso, it's going to Dallas, TX OR. 228 00:12:58,430 --> 00:13:02,030 Atlanta or other places. So I don't understand why those. 229 00:13:02,510 --> 00:13:06,470 Cameras really are like why we're utilizing that instead of just paying. 230 00:13:06,630 --> 00:13:07,870 Police or. 231 00:13:35,510 --> 00:13:40,350 So thank you guys. And I know you guys are all great people, so I'm sure you'll do the right thing. Anyways. Thank you. 232 00:13:45,190 --> 00:13:45,870 Anyone else? 233 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,200 I'm Linda Waterbury. 234 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:52,510 I'm from Kent. 235 00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:54,350 And I. 236 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:57,910 Have a concern about a safety issue at the fairgrounds? 237 00:13:58,750 --> 00:13:59,790 They repaved it. 238 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:02,950 Yay they. 239 00:14:03,470 --> 00:14:04,150 Fenced in. 240 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:07,110 They made no accommodation. 241 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:09,110 For all the pedestrian traffic. 242 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:12,320 As you know, there's not enough parking in there. 243 00:14:13,810 --> 00:14:17,120 And most of the local Capitan residents walk. 244 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:19,310 So between the residents. 245 00:14:19,710 --> 00:14:26,430 And all the outside parking that happens at the church, on the easements in the neighborhood, all those people are walking in. 246 00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:28,590 They are forced to walk down. 247 00:14:28,950 --> 00:14:30,150 Fairgrounds Rd. 248 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,160 With trucks, With trailers. 249 00:14:33,710 --> 00:14:34,470 Horses. 250 00:14:35,510 --> 00:14:36,710 People coming and going. 251 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:38,270 There is no sidewalk. 252 00:14:38,350 --> 00:14:39,550 There is no shoulder. 253 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:41,390 There is a break. 254 00:14:41,550 --> 00:14:44,190 Ditch which someone fell in. 255 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:45,070 A mother. 256 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:46,870 Going over to. 257 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:49,430 Take care of some stuff. 258 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:52,840 Was pretty banged up. 259 00:14:52,950 --> 00:14:54,510 From falling in the ditch. 260 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:56,830 Concerned about the truck going by? 261 00:14:58,710 --> 00:15:02,270 I know that Mayor Davalos brought this issue to the fair board. 262 00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:03,870 Before the 4th of July. 263 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:05,630 Nothing happened. 264 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,160 So I am asking. 265 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:10,870 This Commission to please. 266 00:15:11,070 --> 00:15:13,950 Assign someone to at least look into. 267 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:15,430 The situation. 268 00:15:15,710 --> 00:15:18,550 And actually it would be very easy to fix. 269 00:15:18,750 --> 00:15:19,830 In my opinion. 270 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:21,550 If anyone's interested. 271 00:15:21,950 --> 00:15:23,350 I live across the street. 272 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:25,150 This is why it's an issue. 273 00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:28,830 To me, I watch it when there's big events. 274 00:15:29,710 --> 00:15:30,430 I worry. 275 00:15:30,950 --> 00:15:33,590 With a little kid that's going to escape Mom's hand. 276 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:35,790 And be under that truck tryer. 277 00:15:36,110 --> 00:15:36,870 Like that? 278 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:38,640 Thank you. 279 00:15:38,950 --> 00:15:39,910 Thank you very much. 280 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:46,160 Anyone else? 281 00:15:52,690 --> 00:15:53,250 OK. 282 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:55,470 We'll move on then. 283 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:56,550 The next. 284 00:15:56,950 --> 00:15:58,670 Event is a public combat. 285 00:15:58,750 --> 00:15:59,750 Comment by. 286 00:16:00,310 --> 00:16:01,430 Doctor Ray Sydell. 287 00:16:03,830 --> 00:16:04,510 Just come up, Sir. 288 00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:17,510 I'm Ray Seidel. 289 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:21,040 And I want to thank. 290 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:22,310 Everybody here. 291 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:24,110 For allowing me to speak. 292 00:16:24,190 --> 00:16:26,630 I understand this is quite controversial. 293 00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:28,150 I understand that. 294 00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:30,990 And it seems today that. 295 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:32,190 Everybody. Uh. 296 00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:34,070 Is concerned about our rights. 297 00:16:34,990 --> 00:16:36,990 So let's define the law. 298 00:16:37,550 --> 00:16:39,790 We're looking at the law that you, Sir. 299 00:16:40,070 --> 00:16:42,790 Got finally put up here on the wall. 300 00:16:43,270 --> 00:16:46,630 And you fought hard against the bureaucrats that didn't want that. 301 00:16:46,990 --> 00:16:48,950 So I thank you and I applaud you. 302 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,720 The 10 commandments. 303 00:16:52,070 --> 00:16:53,270 By God. 304 00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:55,400 Is the first thing that we have to. 305 00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:57,270 Govern ourselves by. 306 00:16:57,790 --> 00:16:59,630 Then we need to follow. 307 00:17:00,370 --> 00:17:02,130 Declaration of Independence. 308 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:05,670 What's the Declaration independence do for us? 309 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,320 That gives us. 310 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:10,630 The rights that God. 311 00:17:10,990 --> 00:17:11,910 Gave us. 312 00:17:12,590 --> 00:17:13,710 To operate. 313 00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:15,760 In this world with each other. 314 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:20,150 So this is where we get our rights from. 315 00:17:20,990 --> 00:17:23,550 From God and it was redefined here. 316 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:28,120 Then we go to the Constitution. What does the Constitution do? 317 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:31,640 Our rights don't come from the Constitution. 318 00:17:31,790 --> 00:17:38,960 The Constitution gives us the ability to defend ourselves against tyrants, which we're addressing today. 319 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:41,990 OK if you're not. 320 00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:45,390 Following these rules and there's one document missing. 321 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:49,070 We should have the New Mexico Constitution up here. 322 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:50,790 And it's not here. 323 00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:55,310 So I would expect we have that up there by the next round. Is that a good thing? 324 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:57,270 I think so. 325 00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:59,390 OK, that. 326 00:17:59,470 --> 00:18:00,830 Now is. 327 00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:01,710 The law. 328 00:18:02,670 --> 00:18:04,590 That's what's defined as a law. 329 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:07,240 That's what's to govern us. 330 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:12,390 That's what's to make us all get along and be able to have a happy. 331 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:13,550 Normal, uh. 332 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:14,990 Good life. 333 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:16,110 With everybody. 334 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,880 Now when we get into statutes. 335 00:18:20,110 --> 00:18:23,270 We get into rules, we get into regulations. 336 00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:24,710 You guys. 337 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:27,190 And I know three of you very well. 338 00:18:27,790 --> 00:18:29,950 You guys have become creatures. 339 00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:31,270 Of statutes. 340 00:18:32,020 --> 00:18:34,360 Statutes are not for. 341 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:35,950 The general public. 342 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:37,790 Not for citizens. 343 00:18:37,910 --> 00:18:39,360 And that for people. 344 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:42,030 That control the government now. 345 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:46,870 If we apply the New Mexico Constitution, which was eloquently done. 346 00:18:46,990 --> 00:18:48,310 By my buddy here. 347 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,760 I'm going to go over those again. 348 00:18:52,780 --> 00:18:54,960 We are a popular sovereign. 349 00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:55,990 State umm. 350 00:18:56,670 --> 00:19:00,990 And people do not believe in sovereignty within the government. 351 00:19:01,310 --> 00:19:02,430 Why is that? 352 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:10,510 Because you can't govern us, you can't change my behavior, you can't tell me what to do or not to do. 353 00:19:11,230 --> 00:19:13,240 OK, that's not allowed. 354 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:15,120 And how do I know that? 355 00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:16,990 Article 2. 356 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:18,750 Section 2. 357 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:20,670 Popular sovereignty. 358 00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:22,670 New Mexico Constitution. 359 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:27,680 All political power is invested in and derived from the people. 360 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:28,670 That's us. 361 00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:31,310 OK, that means. 362 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:35,210 Your ability to rule or govern. 363 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:36,790 Or take care of us. 364 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:37,590 Comes from. 365 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:39,470 If we don't agree. 366 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:42,510 You don't have any power to do such. 367 00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:45,150 Now all government. 368 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:46,190 Of right. 369 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:49,640 Originates from the people. 370 00:19:51,010 --> 00:19:52,720 Originates from the people. 371 00:19:54,910 --> 00:19:57,430 And is founded upon their will. 372 00:19:57,590 --> 00:20:00,030 And is instituted solely. 373 00:20:00,110 --> 00:20:02,030 For their good, that means us. 374 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,480 That now makes you servants. 375 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:09,390 That means you have to serve us. 376 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:11,880 You can't talk down to us. 377 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:13,950 You cannot give us. 378 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:15,510 A bunch of crap. 379 00:20:15,870 --> 00:20:21,270 OK, we don't come in here looking for anything other than. 380 00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:22,990 Getting along. 381 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:25,230 That's your job. 382 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,910 That's what we elected you for. 383 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:30,830 Anything that exceeds that. 384 00:20:31,620 --> 00:20:33,300 Is not allowed. 385 00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:37,420 Now how do I know that I'm a sovereign? 386 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:39,420 And sovereignty is real. 387 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:44,350 Again, the New Mexico Constitution makes it very clear under Article 2. 388 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:45,820 Section 3. 389 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,750 The right of self government. 390 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:55,990 The people of the state have the soul and exclusive right to govern themselves as a free. 391 00:20:56,060 --> 00:20:58,620 Sovereign and independent state. 392 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,790 Now does that mean? 393 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:04,870 Rules, regulations and statutes govern me. 394 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:06,820 Absolutely not. 395 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,750 Doesn't govern anybody. 396 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,570 Now we can go to the US. 397 00:21:15,980 --> 00:21:17,340 Constitution. 398 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:21,940 And we can define that even further. All you have to do is go to the 7th Amendment. 399 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:24,820 The 7th Amendment guarantees. 400 00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:25,940 Common law. 401 00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:27,820 Now. 402 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,140 Our law officials. 403 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,580 And government officials. 404 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,070 Don't like hearing that? 405 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:37,750 And the reason why is. 406 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:38,900 Because, uh. 407 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:41,980 One maxim within the. 408 00:21:43,540 --> 00:21:45,780 Realm of common law is. 409 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:47,620 You can't have a crime. 410 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:48,780 Without. 411 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:51,820 An individual that has been harmed. 412 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:59,310 Now I I hate to take up speeding tickets, but it's an easy way to look at this. 413 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,060 If I'm over. 414 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:06,260 The speed limit by 5 miles an hour. There's a statute that says. 415 00:22:08,540 --> 00:22:14,260 OK, now under common law we have to have an injured party in order. 416 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:15,940 For anything to be illegal. 417 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:19,390 Was anybody injured by a speeding ticket? 418 00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:24,780 There cannot be any enforcement. 419 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,220 Under the law. 420 00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:29,420 And the missing 1 which is the New Mexico. 421 00:22:29,820 --> 00:22:30,900 Constitution. 422 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:36,460 Now, given all of this. 423 00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:38,590 And what we've been talking about here. 424 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,800 If we're not following the law and. 425 00:22:42,940 --> 00:22:45,660 Forcing statutory law etc. 426 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:48,540 To the harm of a citizen. 427 00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:50,260 That's treason. 428 00:22:51,060 --> 00:22:52,580 That's treason under the US. 429 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:55,220 And the New Mexico Constitution. 430 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,990 And treason against the State shall consist only in levying war against it. 431 00:23:02,730 --> 00:23:04,670 Now that. 432 00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:06,300 Does not mean kinetic. 433 00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:11,990 OK, so if we're warring against the Constitution. 434 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,180 That's treason. 435 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,590 Adhering to its enemies. 436 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:17,820 Or given them. 437 00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:19,420 Aid and comfort. 438 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:23,340 No person shall be convicted of treason unless of. 439 00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:27,070 Less on testimony of two witnesses. 440 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:28,900 To the same overt act. 441 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:31,420 Or on confession in open court. 442 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:34,110 Now. 443 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:35,980 Given all that. 444 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,500 That we understand. 445 00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:41,620 And I hopefully I was able to do that, that everybody understands that. 446 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:43,860 We now have statutes. 447 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:46,300 Statutes that govern. 448 00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:47,470 The people. 449 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:49,750 That are in power. 450 00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:50,980 To govern. 451 00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:53,830 You get to govern yourselves. 452 00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:56,220 OK, the rest of the laws. 453 00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:57,580 We comply with. 454 00:23:58,060 --> 00:24:04,190 How do we control these individuals? Well, I'm going to first start off with the county Commission. 455 00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:06,500 And what your responsibilities are. 456 00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:09,860 And this is per New Mexico statutes. 457 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:13,260 And I asked you guys to read this and know. 458 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:16,220 What I'm talking about last time I was here. 459 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:18,380 Did anybody look at chapter 10? 460 00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:20,500 Yes, you did. 461 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,990 Great. Now let's talk about what your responsibilities are as commissioners. 462 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:31,660 This is under New Mexico statute 10-2-12. 463 00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:36,340 Insufficient bonds of the county or precinct officers. 464 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:39,340 New bond requirements in federal to provide. 465 00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:43,380 Procedure and decree of vacancy by. 466 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:44,060 The courts. 467 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,830 OK, you have a much. 468 00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:49,180 Bigger job. 469 00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:50,590 To oversee. 470 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:52,100 Everybody. 471 00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:54,110 That affect me. 472 00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:56,780 And every citizen in this county. 473 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:04,670 And we're talking about bonds, and I'm going to come back here in a minute here and talk about bonds. 474 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:07,580 OK. And the requirements for the bonds? 475 00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:10,380 Your job as county commissioner. 476 00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:13,620 And it doesn't say May, and it doesn't say. 477 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:16,020 If you like it says, you shall. 478 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:17,500 OK, it is. 479 00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:18,940 It shall. 480 00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:22,830 Be the duty the county Commission of each county. 481 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:25,500 At every regular meeting thereof. 482 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:28,340 On the first day of each meeting to examine. 483 00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:33,150 And to inquire into the insufficient or the sufficiency of all. 484 00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:35,100 Official bonds given. 485 00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:40,790 Or to be given by any county or precinct officers as required by law. 486 00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:42,710 And it. 487 00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:45,940 It shall appear that anyone. 488 00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:47,980 Or more of these securities? 489 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:52,940 On the official bond of any county officer has. 490 00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:55,470 Or have been removed from the county. 491 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:57,420 Died or become insolvent. 492 00:25:57,940 --> 00:25:59,220 Or doubtful. 493 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:01,700 Insolvency, he said. 494 00:26:01,820 --> 00:26:06,260 Kimani Kiss the said board of county commissioners shall. 495 00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:11,060 Caused such county or precinct officers to be summoned to appear. 496 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,670 That's huge. 497 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,670 That's huge. 498 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:17,060 How many of you have a bond? 499 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:19,910 Anybody here? 500 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:23,740 You've got. 501 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,460 OK. Can you present that next meeting? 502 00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:28,030 For us. 503 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:30,300 It's required right here in law. 504 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:31,300 OK. 505 00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:32,980 Now, umm. 506 00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:34,700 Once we see this. 507 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:37,750 Then the county Commission has to act. 508 00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:40,510 And if you've read. 509 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:42,180 Chapter 10. 510 00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:44,790 It's your responsibility. 511 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,220 To we the people. 512 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:48,100 Not use a county. 513 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:49,340 OK. 514 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,020 Now, given that. 515 00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:54,590 Is this really? 516 00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:59,140 A bond, an issue here that we should be talking about today. 517 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:00,940 How do we enforce? 518 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,740 What we need to enforce? 519 00:27:03,850 --> 00:27:05,570 OK, again, I'm going to. 520 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,740 Quote Mexico statute and this one's. 521 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:13,660 10-2-1. 522 00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:16,510 And it's entitled. 523 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:17,700 Recording, uh. 524 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:22,700 As a prerequisite to discharging duties of the office. 525 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,980 Each and every person. 526 00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:28,260 Who may herein be elected or appointed to an office? 527 00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:31,340 In this state, required by law to give a bond. 528 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:34,340 Shall file the same. 529 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:37,060 For record, before entering upon. 530 00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:41,110 The discharge of the duty of that office. 531 00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:44,100 So if you haven't. 532 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:45,420 File the bond. 533 00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:47,020 Guess what? 534 00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:50,030 You don't have any. 535 00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:51,740 Rights to be here. 536 00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:55,540 We also talking about if you've been serving. 537 00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:57,750 And have been paid. 538 00:27:58,990 --> 00:28:00,110 You're going to owe us. 539 00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:01,700 We the. 540 00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:03,060 That salary? 541 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:04,460 That you were. 542 00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:07,340 Derived from without meeting this. 543 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:08,500 Prerequisite. 544 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:13,550 Now within the county. 545 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:14,660 The county. 546 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:16,620 Precinct officers. 547 00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:18,300 Have to record. 548 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:20,300 And file their. 549 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:21,620 Bonds. 550 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,780 The county clerk's office. 551 00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:27,350 And it's to be recorded. 552 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:30,140 Of official bonds. 553 00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:35,340 And the bond shall be filed and kept in the office of the county clerk's office. 554 00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:39,020 And I've been assured that's been done. Is that correct? 555 00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:41,540 OK. 556 00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:46,700 Let's talk about bonds. 557 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,150 We know that it's required. 558 00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:52,500 And if it hasn't been done, it hasn't been filed. 559 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,160 We have people here that are. 560 00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:57,500 Can be charged with malfeasance. 561 00:28:57,660 --> 00:28:58,950 Do we want to do that? 562 00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:00,940 No, we want it corrected. 563 00:29:01,580 --> 00:29:04,460 But you have to understand. 564 00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:06,580 That this is we the People. 565 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:07,820 Not you, the government. 566 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:11,070 One of the things that the government likes to do. 567 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,270 Is put out rules and regulations. 568 00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:17,540 For us, but not them. 569 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,190 Chapter 10. 570 00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:23,700 In the New Mexico statutes is huge. 571 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:26,020 This is how we enforce. 572 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,400 You guys to do your job? 573 00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:30,750 And that means? 574 00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:32,700 Taking care of the citizen. 575 00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:34,900 Not the government. 576 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:37,700 Now. 577 00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:39,020 Under uh. 578 00:29:39,220 --> 00:29:40,460 Chapter 10. 579 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:42,060 4. 580 00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:45,940 Cause for removal of local officials. 581 00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:48,470 It goes into everything that. 582 00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:51,990 Anybody can be removed by. 583 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:54,620 Under this statute. 584 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:58,300 First thing, conviction of a felony. 585 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:01,300 Or of any misdemeanor involving moral. 586 00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:05,420 Now as an attorney. 587 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:06,900 Representing our. 588 00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:09,430 People here. 589 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:13,260 You understand what turpitude is? Is that not right, ma'am? 590 00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:15,790 Interpreted, you can charge anything. 591 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:17,900 If I don't like the way you comb your hair. 592 00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:19,780 That can fall under turpitude. 593 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:20,620 So that's. 594 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:21,620 Huge. 595 00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:27,740 B Failure or neglect to refuse or. 596 00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:30,380 Failure or neglect. 597 00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:33,700 Or refusal to discharge the duties of the office. 598 00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:35,220 Or failure or neglect. 599 00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:38,140 Or refusal to discharge any duty. 600 00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:41,650 That you have to do for your job. 601 00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:43,870 Knowingly. 602 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,420 And demanding or receiving illegal fees. 603 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:48,700 As an officer. 604 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:51,470 Fees would be a tax. 605 00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:52,660 Am I right? 606 00:30:54,150 --> 00:31:00,270 Now, we can get into taxation right now, but I can tell you property tax is illegal. 607 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:02,300 And it was made illegal. 608 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,460 Two years ago when we passed. 609 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:07,740 The veterans. 610 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:09,940 Appropriate Bill. 611 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:10,740 For no. 612 00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:14,150 Property tax or based on their percentage. 613 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:19,020 If there's one veteran not paying 100% of his taxes. 614 00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:21,580 Guess what? Under the 14th Amendment. 615 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:22,860 Of the United States. 616 00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:25,500 All laws are to be enforced. 617 00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:26,580 Equally, umm. 618 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,710 Nobody owes property tax. 619 00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:31,380 That means. 620 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,260 You have created yourself an issue here. 621 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,030 That you can be charged. 622 00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:40,860 You are now duly noted. 623 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,180 And you are now willful. 624 00:31:43,660 --> 00:31:44,820 Going forward. 625 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,280 OK. Gross and competency. 626 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:52,180 Or negligence and discharge in the duties of your office. 627 00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:55,430 I can go on. 628 00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:56,780 The rest of this? 629 00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:59,060 Section between. 630 00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:03,020 4-24 dash. 631 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,420 12 talks about. 632 00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:07,100 How we prosecute. 633 00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:09,670 Elected officials. 634 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:11,860 And government employees. 635 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:19,620 OK, security. 636 00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:21,740 Why do we have security bonds? 637 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:25,510 Do you know? 638 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:26,980 I think you're going to tell us. 639 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:32,540 I am but you should know OK security bond is if. 640 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:35,300 The citizen has an issue. 641 00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:39,820 With an elected official or a public servant. 642 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:41,700 That is not doing their job. 643 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:43,660 And I just named a few of them. 644 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:46,580 We can take him to court. 645 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:48,500 Or we can call their bond in. 646 00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:56,070 Now, this is much like a bond that you're going to have on somebody that's doing construction at your property. 647 00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:58,430 If he does not do a good job. 648 00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:59,940 Do I take them to court? 649 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:01,740 Burdoy call his bond. 650 00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:04,020 You have either option. 651 00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:08,260 Now security bond is not the same as. 652 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:11,820 It's not what you think it is. 653 00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:14,300 A surety bond. 654 00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:16,260 Is really a surety? 655 00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:17,500 And. 656 00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:20,670 They like to try to put them together to confuse us. 657 00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:22,060 Is surety. 658 00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:24,340 As insurance. 659 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:29,580 OK. It's an insurance that is typically taken care of. 660 00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:31,380 By a company you know. 661 00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:32,580 That will. 662 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:34,260 Take a fee. 663 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:35,980 In order to cover. 664 00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:37,060 Any bad? 665 00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:38,100 Outcomes, uh. 666 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,080 OK, a bond. 667 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,940 Is the cover that individual? 668 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:45,350 That might have. 669 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:51,740 An issue and that company, the 30, will pay that bond out. 670 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,180 Based on. 671 00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:57,660 Filing by an individual that was harmed. 672 00:33:58,460 --> 00:34:04,380 Or I'll have a First Amendment right violation, so that's fine. 673 00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:05,420 That's fine. 674 00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:07,540 You're good, you're good. 675 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:10,020 So this now. 676 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:11,590 You can see. 677 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:14,500 Government not serving the people. 678 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:15,500 Thank you. 679 00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:17,980 You, you, you chimed in just right. 680 00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:19,430 So. 681 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:20,740 Right now. 682 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:23,300 I'm not going to violate. 683 00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:25,140 This gentleman's. 684 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:27,700 Supposed power. 685 00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:30,020 I'm going to say thank you. 686 00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:33,620 I hope everybody understands what we're trying to do here. 687 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:39,500 I love the fact that somebody understands what's going on with the Flock cameras. 688 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:40,940 I hope. 689 00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:42,860 Sheriff, you listen to us. 690 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:45,350 I hope that you understand. 691 00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:47,100 I believe you're a Goodman. 692 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:48,990 And I know you'll do the right thing. 693 00:34:50,410 --> 00:34:52,050 I thank you all. 694 00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:54,630 And you guys have a blessed day. 695 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:02,430 All right. Thank you, Sir. 696 00:35:03,220 --> 00:35:06,020 For me, did I stand or my 20 minutes OK? 697 00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:07,850 By two minutes. 698 00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:11,860 Thank you very much. 699 00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:15,190 There's much to say here. 700 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,470 I will only say this. 701 00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:23,590 I guarantee you that the people that sit up here. 702 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:25,740 Honestly. 703 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:30,100 Feel like they are doing the work of the people. 704 00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:32,740 That's how we feel. 705 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:38,570 Some of these issues, most of the issues that were discussed, are outside of our purview. 706 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,910 We would like for it to be. 707 00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:41,660 Different, uh. 708 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:43,180 But we're busy. 709 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:45,780 Taking care of the day-to-day issues. 710 00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:50,300 The problem, the problem that I see, if you look at the amount of people who vote. 711 00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:53,020 Every year at our elections, whether it's. 712 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:56,470 Primaries or whether it's midterms? 713 00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:58,500 Or regular elections. 714 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,660 It's a very small part of the eligible voters. 715 00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:04,780 We have the power as voters. 716 00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:06,660 To put people in there. 717 00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:07,420 That are. 718 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:08,940 That believe the things that. 719 00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:10,820 That were just spoken about. 720 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:14,300 Either at the federal level or the state level. 721 00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:15,780 Even at the county level. 722 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,900 But I believe the people that you have here at the county level. 723 00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:21,140 They're doing the best they can. 724 00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:24,220 So that being said, I took took. 725 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:25,870 Chairman's privilege for that. 726 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,400 And I think it only took about a minute and 1/2. 727 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,080 The next. 728 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,870 Issue with public input or discussion. 729 00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:37,620 And Sheriff Michael Wood is going to talk about. 730 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:41,620 And perhaps you can talk about. 731 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,900 Block and what your decision's already been on that. 732 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,820 Sheriff, you'll come up. We appreciate it. 733 00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:53,900 Thank you, Chairman Fisher Commission, Michael Wood, your Lincoln County Sheriff. 734 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:56,380 I can't talk much about flock. 735 00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:58,260 I can't because I've decided. 736 00:36:58,620 --> 00:37:00,980 Some time ago. We're just not going to use that system. 737 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,980 I know it's readily available and I know that there are peace officers and agencies all over this country that are using them with 738 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:08,260 great success. 739 00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:10,830 But we're not using. 740 00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:13,220 For several reasons, I'm not. 741 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:18,980 I'm not 100% comfortable yet and I don't, I guess I'm a little bit ignorant on it. It's technology, right? I mean, I can. 742 00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:25,350 Figure out to some degree with the help of my granddaughter, how my cell phone works, but I'm not a real technical. 743 00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:26,940 Person. And so I'm not I'm not. 744 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:31,390 I'm not real comfortable with when I hear about the flight system itself and its storage. 745 00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:33,210 Abilities. 746 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:37,780 To Doctor Seidel's point, we we are a nation of laws. We decided we would be that many, many, many years ago. We came together as 747 00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:41,820 a society and decided. 748 00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:43,900 We would be a nation of laws and. 749 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:49,610 I think to some degree they're some of the statutes you refer to, the speeding, that kind of thing. Those things are simply 750 00:37:49,610 --> 00:37:54,290 necessary so that everybody stays safe in the story. It's not. 751 00:37:55,100 --> 00:38:00,500 A county such an agency such as my own, we were. We are not a revenue generating agency. 752 00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:01,340 Whatsoever. 753 00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:03,420 My office brings in no money. 754 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:10,300 On traffic citations, we get no money for court costs and fines. Your municipalities, that's a different story. 755 00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,460 But instead of New Mexico counties do not receive. 756 00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:17,260 We do not generate any money. The only money that comes into my office is if. 757 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:19,340 Joe wants to sue. 758 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:23,940 Jill and initiation of an action in court is presented one of the first steps in that proceeding is the service of process right 759 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:28,020 so. 760 00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:31,700 If Jill wants to serve Bob or whatever the names were, I'm just missing a while ago. 761 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:35,180 They'll bring those documents into me and I get a $42.00 service fee. 762 00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:37,860 You know it's supposed to pay for fuel because it's a civil action. 763 00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:40,420 Right. It's not a criminal action. It's not. 764 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,880 It doesn't necessarily fall under the half tooth. 765 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:48,420 I can choose to sue to serve those. I can choose not to. But for 42 bucks? 766 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:54,020 That's the only revenue that comes into my office. So, so speed cameras, we don't have them. Not going to have them. They're not. 767 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:58,900 That's the villages deal, their prerogative, so I'll speak to that part. But in terms of flock? 768 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:05,980 Cameras and that specific program and that software and that that technology, I don't know enough about it. 769 00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:11,540 To be comfortable with it, because while we are a nation of laws and we all agree on that, everybody does. 770 00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:16,550 Most everybody here, most everybody here followed the speed limit when they came down here today. 771 00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:20,780 Most everybody didn't roll the stop sign at Eight Mile. Most everybody. 772 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,860 Stood by that I also have to weigh. 773 00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:28,260 The constitutionality of some of those laws as your County Sheriff. 774 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,700 Your very first and last line of defense. 775 00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:35,300 It isn't just my job to pluck the bad guy off of the street. 776 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:39,660 Or go take a report when you hit a deer. It's also my job to make sure. 777 00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:41,900 That there isn't an infringement. 778 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:43,940 Upon you by a government. 779 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:45,820 Whether it be local? 780 00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:49,540 Municipal, federal, whatever that is the shirt, that is the sheriff's job. 781 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:52,700 Is to make sure that there isn't an overview. 782 00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:56,485 And so in terms of the flux system, I don't know enough about it to be comfortable with it. And I asked myself sometimes when I 783 00:39:56,485 --> 00:39:59,350 look at these. 784 00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:05,180 Miss Eckert mentioned data centers. I have not personally been to a data center. 785 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:08,740 I've seen pictures of them. I've seen them on the news. I know some folks who. 786 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:12,180 Who helped construct some of these things? And they're massive. 787 00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:14,060 I mean, these things take up. 788 00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:18,020 The footprint on them is incredible. Acres and acres is what I'm being told. 789 00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:21,230 Well, if that's what's already necessary. 790 00:40:21,340 --> 00:40:23,540 Just to store the data that we are. 791 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:28,940 Gathering now I know. How's the difference going to sustain itself? You're gonna have to continue to build these things, if that. 792 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:31,910 If just one of those things is what's necessary. 793 00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:36,340 To store the data that's being collected And how is it ever going to sustain itself? 794 00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:40,700 But the question for me is and I lose, trust me, I lose sleep over this is. 795 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:42,630 What is the need? 796 00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:44,700 To store long term. 797 00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:46,980 M's Eckert's license plate. 798 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:49,350 Why? I don't understand that? 799 00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:51,660 Why are you going? What? What is the purpose of that? 800 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:56,260 Historical for a limited amount of time, historical data is in my business, which is taking the bad guy off the street. You have 801 00:40:56,260 --> 00:41:00,140 to admit that. 802 00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:03,780 When your home is broken into and Grandma's wedding ring is stolen. 803 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:09,140 Or your kiddos kidnapped or whatever the offense is. It's my job to come in and help mitigate that. 804 00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:12,910 It's my job to come in and try to recover your stuff and make sure you. 805 00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:14,020 You are. 806 00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:16,460 Afforded an opportunity at justice. 807 00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:17,380 That's my job. 808 00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:19,750 All right, so. 809 00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:25,220 When I think about these data centers, I just really wonder how. How is it ever going to sustain itself? 810 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:27,660 But as a lawman, as someone who's. 811 00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:31,340 In charge and responsible for taking and making cases so that. 812 00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:35,220 Bills wife was killed by a drunk driver. 813 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:38,140 And he needs closure and justice. That's just. 814 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:39,060 That's my job. 815 00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:41,270 So a short. 816 00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:44,300 Storage of some of this information and. 817 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:47,100 In the system that is already approved and I'll just be. 818 00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:50,140 I think in the last 5 1/2 years as your County Sheriff up. 819 00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:51,900 Got a reputation of. 820 00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:55,820 A couple of things. One, I have trouble sometimes keeping my mouth shut. 821 00:41:56,140 --> 00:42:00,300 #2 I don't have a problem telling you how I think, how it is and how I feel. 822 00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:04,270 I also don't have a problem telling you some of the things I don't want to have to tell you. 823 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,780 Trust me, I've had to make Facebook posts and come out publicly. 824 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:10,540 On some things that were detrimental to. 825 00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:15,060 The the reputation and. 826 00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:17,260 And efficiency of my agency. 827 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:24,750 But I tell these guys, this is 32 years I've been doing this, and I was blessed to have had some very good mentors and teachers. 828 00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:29,020 Individuals who looked up from my success, they said, Mike, always remember and I tell these guys. 829 00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:32,300 That worked for me, my support staff and all of my subordinates. 830 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,840 Before we can effectively. 831 00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:38,070 Police you. We must police ourselves. 832 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:41,540 Period. And I think there's an. 833 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:42,940 There's an assumption. 834 00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:45,700 Or even a premise sometimes that well. 835 00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:48,300 I'm I wear this so I'm above the law. 836 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:51,940 I don't have to abide by its speed, so I don't have to. 837 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:56,500 I'm above that. That is not how I feel. That's not how I operate. 838 00:42:56,820 --> 00:43:01,700 In the story, I think I've set a reputation for that. I hold mine accountable first. 839 00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:05,550 Well, he comes down to it. 840 00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:11,260 It's not an easy job balancing the laws that we've all agreed to live under. 841 00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:12,860 And what's constitutional? 842 00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:17,860 So in terms of flock, I have some questions about the constitutionality of it. 843 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:22,460 I will tell you that those can't that system, the roadside cameras that you see. 844 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:24,910 Have been in this county for years. 845 00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:26,740 They've been here for years and. 846 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,020 Years. There's 2 now. 847 00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:30,220 In the village. 848 00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:34,100 Outside of the reservation on US 70, those are not ours. 849 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:35,660 We not all those. 850 00:43:35,740 --> 00:43:36,660 We don't have any. 851 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:39,910 For years there were two of them in Capitan. 852 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:42,780 Then folks were going past them and never even noticed. 853 00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:45,830 I was guilty of that. I lived down there and didn't even know they were there. 854 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:47,620 And not one time. 855 00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:50,940 Not once did I ever receive any reports. 856 00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:53,140 Of anyone being victimized. 857 00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:55,740 Or any sort of weaponization of that. 858 00:43:56,580 --> 00:44:01,660 Nonetheless, it doesn't take away from the fact that I'm a little uncomfortable with the storage part of it. 859 00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:04,860 I can't speak the plot because I'm not using it. Not going to. 860 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,980 We do have a license plate reader. 861 00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,980 System that has been approved by this Commission, based upon the information I brought to them, I will, I will be accountable for 862 00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:15,780 my very own actions. 863 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:17,820 They did approve it. 864 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:19,910 They are not in use. 865 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:22,300 They're not even equipped. They're not even a. 866 00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:24,100 Installed. 867 00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:26,060 But the ones I've chosen. 868 00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:28,900 Came as part of a package of the body Cam. 869 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,020 Requirement the state statute. 870 00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:35,630 And when it comes to body cams, I've been in this business over 3 decades. 871 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:38,660 In the beginning there was no such thing. We didn't even have cell phones. 872 00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:45,020 But then is is technology above some of the agencies were going to the body cams and now I swear by them I will not. 873 00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:46,910 Ever not have those? 874 00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,390 They make you a better peace officer. 875 00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:52,180 They dispute false claims. 876 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:53,540 Allegations. 877 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:58,540 What better evidence than to put you be able to put yourself at the scene? 878 00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:01,340 Yeah, yeah, you're devoid of some of the emotion and the smells and I have. 879 00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:04,780 Some of those things that society is generally largely guarded from. 880 00:45:05,590 --> 00:45:08,310 But it gives you an idea what actually happened, so I'll never get away from that. 881 00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:11,300 But the system we have is a license plate reader. 882 00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:13,950 Again, it has not been implemented. 883 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,670 I'm not comfortable yet pulling the trigger on it. We're not using it. 884 00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:19,980 But I have it available. 885 00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:21,060 It wasn't. 886 00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:24,960 An additional cost, the system we have is actually a vehicle mounted system where if I get behind Miss Eckert's vehicle, it looks 887 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,500 at her plate. 888 00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:29,860 In the vehicle only. 889 00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:32,620 All right, this thing does not track dog. 890 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,680 What are those chips? 891 00:45:35,020 --> 00:45:37,900 Doesn't practice chip, it doesn't track the cell phone you. 892 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:39,540 It looks at the car. 893 00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:41,540 All right, that's it in the plate. 894 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,750 Now, if a law enforcement agency has entered. 895 00:45:45,420 --> 00:45:48,220 ABC123 out of the state of Virginia as. 896 00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:53,620 Possibly being operated by a homicidal subject or a kidnapped suspect or. 897 00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:57,100 Was seen leaving the the scene of a burglary or robbery. 898 00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:00,760 You need a lock in on that. It'll take its photograph, it'll store that information and immediately alert the agency that entered 899 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,860 it. 900 00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:06,260 And then that information is passed on. 901 00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:07,980 But in short. 902 00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:10,380 The system we have is my Axon. 903 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,590 And it just again, it simply looks at the vehicle and the plate. 904 00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:19,440 We can set parameters on that. Every bit of that information we would own, have care, custody, and control of it is not sent to a 905 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,940 data center. 906 00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:26,940 It is not sent to the federal government. It is not. We own every bit of that. 907 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:28,460 None of it goes anywhere. 908 00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:32,070 There's still an awful lot about it. 909 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:34,620 That I don't understand because this technology. 910 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,980 But in talking to some of my colleagues all over this country. 911 00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:40,510 They're swearing by it. 912 00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:45,580 I was able to actually get this kiddo back. I was able to actually solve this crime, get this guy up the street. 913 00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:46,500 Forget it. 914 00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:48,180 And that's all good stuff. 915 00:46:48,580 --> 00:46:51,060 When your job is done down the lawn the the lawn. 916 00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:51,780 Breaker. 917 00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:55,700 With the constitutionality is the part I'm getting hung up on. 918 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,110 So I want this. 919 00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:03,070 Entire county and every time, I've said it before, when I address this Commission, this council of commissioners. 920 00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:06,060 In these chambers, I address everybody in this county. 921 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:07,780 This is the venue for it. 922 00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:09,460 Social media is not. 923 00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:11,580 I will not make a decision. 924 00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:14,860 On this or anything else based on social media will not do that. 925 00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:16,060 I refuse to do it. 926 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:18,180 I will not be pressured, influenced, threatened. 927 00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:20,220 Intimidate. I simply won't do it. 928 00:47:21,490 --> 00:47:23,730 So I fought for two months to get this on the agenda. 929 00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,140 In hopes that I would hear some things and thank you. 930 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:31,020 The secret for coming out and saying something about this, I appreciate. I need that. 931 00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:32,660 That will be used to. 932 00:47:33,370 --> 00:47:38,330 By me to make my decision ultimately whether or not to implement this technology or not do. 933 00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:41,500 And how to set the parameters so that I can guarantee? 934 00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:44,100 You're nobody's rights are being infringed upon. 935 00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:46,770 So with that all being said. 936 00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:49,890 Some of the rumors are again. 937 00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:53,020 This the more you pass by these things. 938 00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:57,020 A lot of color changes and alerts somebody that frequently, yeah. 939 00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:58,500 None of that's true. 940 00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:00,340 That is not what. 941 00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:02,580 I would allow who to discount. 942 00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:03,140 I wouldn't. 943 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:05,820 I don't feel any for that so. 944 00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,420 That being said, Mr. Chairman, I. 945 00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:11,820 Pretend to try and run your your Commission meeting. 946 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:16,180 But if you were inclined to allow folks to ask questions, I'd be glad to address them. 947 00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:20,820 Yes, Sir, I think, I think it's appropriate. We have that on the agenda anyway. Very good. 948 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,580 So if someone does have a question, we ask that you come up. 949 00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:24,660 To the table. 950 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:27,100 Identify who you are and then state your question. 951 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,340 And the reason for that is to make sure that people that are. 952 00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:32,980 Online can hear and know. 953 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:35,220 And we also have it on record, so. 954 00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:36,540 Please doc, come on up. 955 00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:43,030 Looking at our Constitution. 956 00:48:44,730 --> 00:48:47,070 Ray Sydell, you're welcome. 957 00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:50,830 What don't we understand about You need a warrant? 958 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:52,070 For a search. 959 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,360 Well, here's something everybody keeps losing. 960 00:48:55,860 --> 00:48:56,460 Perspective on it. 961 00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:57,900 And again. 962 00:48:58,340 --> 00:49:01,300 The agenda item, and this is exactly what they are called. 963 00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:03,460 Automated automatic license plate readers. 964 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:07,780 Let me tell you something the moment you occupy a motor vehicle. 965 00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:13,700 And you enter that motor vehicle upon public access roads that is funded. 966 00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:16,700 By you, By every single one of us in here. 967 00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:17,980 The rules change. 968 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:22,460 Right. No. Now listen, you're good. You've asked a question if you're going to get an answer. 969 00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:28,190 We're going to handle this in an answer. We're not having a debate. 970 00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:29,740 Thank you. 971 00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:32,340 The interior of that vehicle. 972 00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:34,180 Is an extension of ones home. 973 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:35,540 We all agreed on that, right? 974 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:38,420 I'm not going to be pulled over by nobody. 975 00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:41,460 And told because you're driving a vehicle, I get to search it. 976 00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:42,460 Not gonna happen. 977 00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,300 It requires reasonable suspicion. 978 00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:46,700 Probable cause. 979 00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:50,260 A search warrant in this state and in this county, in this district. 980 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:52,790 We do not search vehicles. 981 00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:54,500 Based on consent. 982 00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:56,750 It's a search warrant. 983 00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:57,780 In store. 984 00:49:58,820 --> 00:50:05,180 The moment you enter that vehicle onto a public access roadway and you travel down that roadway and you share that roadway. 985 00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:07,220 With my aging parents. 986 00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:10,020 My 18 year old granddaughter who's now driving. 987 00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:13,580 Everybody else's aunts, uncles, friends and loved ones. 988 00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:16,270 That the rules are different. 989 00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:22,830 Anything that goes on in public view that anybody can see is pretty much fair game for recording. 990 00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:24,300 Monitoring. 991 00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:25,740 Story of data. 992 00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:27,020 It's different. 993 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:30,510 You don't have a reasonable expectation. 994 00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:33,300 To the our privacy to the outside of that vehicle. 995 00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:35,500 Only the interior of that vehicle. 996 00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:37,180 So. 997 00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:39,860 When you're driving down the road and your license plate. 998 00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:41,470 There's something else you need to remember. 999 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,180 And keep in mind you don't own your license plate. 1000 00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:46,980 That license plate is rented. 1001 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:47,820 To you. 1002 00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:50,620 By the state of New Mexico, which is US. 1003 00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:53,620 All of us come together at some point in time and agreed. 1004 00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:55,420 You will have your vehicle registered. 1005 00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:57,550 OK, you will have it insured. 1006 00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:01,580 You it will be operated only by someone with a valid driver's license. 1007 00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:04,420 This whole and I've seen a bunch of these videos on. 1008 00:51:04,580 --> 00:51:05,300 On social media. 1009 00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:09,780 This garbage where so and so gets pulled over because there's no plate. Well, I don't have to have one. 1010 00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:11,340 I'm traveling. 1011 00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:14,110 No, you're driving a motor vehicle. 1012 00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:17,830 And you're sharing the roadway with my folks, my loved ones. 1013 00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:19,380 Everybody else's. 1014 00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:21,180 They're following the rules. 1015 00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:23,790 If they hit somebody. 1016 00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:24,780 And it's their fault. 1017 00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:28,360 Their insurance premiums are going to go up because they're going to take care of it, but here I am. I'm a sovereign citizen or 1018 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,660 whatever they call themselves. 1019 00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:33,340 I don't have to have any of that stuff. 1020 00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:34,420 I've seen it. 1021 00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:36,220 Over and over and over again. 1022 00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:41,670 The minute you enter onto a public access roadway that we allow you to drive on. 1023 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:46,060 The things things gotta change, so the capturing of an image. 1024 00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:49,470 Of Doctor Seidel's vehicle going down the road. 1025 00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:50,780 There's no reason. 1026 00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:54,780 There's nothing unconstitutional about that, and there's also. 1027 00:51:55,180 --> 00:51:57,180 Nothing that requires search work. 1028 00:51:57,860 --> 00:51:59,580 It's what you do with that information. 1029 00:52:00,350 --> 00:52:02,830 That counts and so capturing the image. 1030 00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:04,540 Looking at that license plate. 1031 00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:07,780 That's something we do every single day. We run plates every single day. 1032 00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:09,860 That's all this system does. 1033 00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:11,260 It does the very same thing. 1034 00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:13,180 And only captures that. 1035 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:14,900 And notifies us of that. 1036 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:17,940 If a bona fide reason has been. 1037 00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:23,940 Provided and that information is entered into the computer. So I'm glad you asked that question. That clears all that up. 1038 00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:26,660 I understand the misconceptions. 1039 00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:28,860 You don't have a right to drive down the road. 1040 00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:29,740 In the story. 1041 00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:32,100 You have a privilege. 1042 00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:33,620 You were allowed to do that. 1043 00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:35,620 By everybody here. 1044 00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:37,380 Not by this governing body. 1045 00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:38,900 Not by the sheriff. 1046 00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:41,220 Not by the governor. 1047 00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:42,940 But by everybody sitting here. 1048 00:52:43,180 --> 00:52:44,700 Through the laws passed. 1049 00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:47,580 By folks that we put in office to do. 1050 00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:49,940 I'll give you very, very brief. 1051 00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:54,020 Have to move on, let anybody else. 1052 00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:56,540 I should have the same amount of time. 1053 00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:57,700 I don't need it. 1054 00:52:58,060 --> 00:52:59,300 But don't restrict me. 1055 00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:00,260 OK. 1056 00:53:00,620 --> 00:53:02,820 You do not have that privilege. 1057 00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:03,900 To the Chairman's point. 1058 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:05,220 The First Amendment. 1059 00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:07,860 Is sacred. I mean that does it protects. 1060 00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:10,940 That us from the government overreach allows us to speak. 1061 00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:14,540 But it doesn't mean that government is not a permitted to say. 1062 00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,900 Some rules when they're conducting business on behalf of everybody here. 1063 00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:21,260 So yeah, you have a first minute, right? Absolutely. 1064 00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:23,020 But you got to also. 1065 00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:25,020 Have some exercise, a little decorum. 1066 00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:27,540 And follow the rules set here because. 1067 00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:29,820 What these good folks right here are doing today. 1068 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:30,940 Isn't in the interest of. 1069 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:33,340 Stunning interest of Dockside L. 1070 00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:35,100 Or tell me a better. 1071 00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:36,830 It's in the interest of everybody sitting. 1072 00:53:37,570 --> 00:53:38,790 So yeah, you got a First Amendment. 1073 00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:39,940 But do his point. 1074 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:41,100 As chairman. 1075 00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:42,740 We follow a set of rules. 1076 00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:44,910 That keeps things orderly, so. 1077 00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:48,780 I don't believe for a second you're right to be violated. 1078 00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:53,060 Is it my turn? Absolutely. OK, thank you. Let's talk about. 1079 00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:55,260 Your oath, it's too. 1080 00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:56,830 The Constitution. 1081 00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:59,820 The laws that we talk about, everything else. 1082 00:54:00,140 --> 00:54:01,460 Is not the law. 1083 00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:03,180 That includes statutes. 1084 00:54:03,460 --> 00:54:06,790 Now this is made very clear in the Constitution. 1085 00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:10,150 Of New Mexico and I will read this to you again. 1086 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:12,420 The right of self governance. 1087 00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:18,740 The people of the state have the soul and exclusive right to govern themselves as free. 1088 00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:20,180 Sovereign. 1089 00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:22,460 And independent state. 1090 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,910 Now what don't you understand about that? 1091 00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:28,940 In context with that you just pulled. 1092 00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:29,660 All of us. 1093 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:35,100 Thank you. Thank you, Doctor Seidel. Yeah, yeah, of course. You have a good day, Sir. 1094 00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:36,340 You're a tyrant. 1095 00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:38,180 Thank you. 1096 00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:40,420 Yes, ma'am. 1097 00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:47,140 Eckert. 1098 00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:54,020 OK. So my questions about how advanced are the cameras, I know they're just looking at the license plates. 1099 00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:58,080 But you know how, like, hackers can get into our computers and spy on us through our this or that? You know, certain people have 1100 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,900 like, better technology. 1101 00:55:02,980 --> 00:55:03,940 Skills than we do. 1102 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:09,180 Can this technology be utilized to like look in the car or look at other places and you, you know, like how advanced are the 1103 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:14,060 order? 1104 00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:19,740 How advanced are the cameras? And then like, say, if you have a contract with these people? 1105 00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:27,250 What if there's upgrades like in the future, like say we agree to this now for just the license plate in the future we have this 1106 00:55:27,250 --> 00:55:33,070 contract and it's like now expanding it to here or expanding it into the windows or to look. 1107 00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:38,380 Other different ways, like how advanced are the cameras basically is what and what they're looking at. 1108 00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:46,340 And can they be hacked by hackers and other people with better skills? China, people with nefarious ideas like, you know, just. 1109 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:50,480 Your own agents that want to do bad stuff or stalk or do things like that? Like can they be utilized for other purposes, not just 1110 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,460 looking straight? 1111 00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:00,100 That's part of the question I have. That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on any of this. That's why I backed away from Flock is 1112 00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:03,500 because I don't know. 1113 00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:04,420 I mean I. 1114 00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:06,300 Here's what I can equate it to. 1115 00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:08,300 The body Cam system that we use. 1116 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:13,500 All right that we just purchased and have been you even the system we had before that it stores when I walk into efforts for 1117 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:18,500 living room because her gate got hit. 1118 00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:21,380 And you and I are talking. Everything you tell me is on. 1119 00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:22,660 Look up camera right? 1120 00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,140 That includes your date of birth. 1121 00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:27,470 Your Social Security all of the required fields necessary. 1122 00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:30,260 For your insurance company to recognize you need. 1123 00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,220 Right, all that stuff is stored on that. 1124 00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:36,100 And then the deputies bring their camera and they dock it. 1125 00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:41,740 And it is sent into a storage system that's hackable by all means. I I mean I think you can. 1126 00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:47,300 Put up firewalls all day long but I I'm not the guy that would want to try to do it. I don't know anything about it but. 1127 00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:51,190 I get what you're saying, so that's another question I have, but I don't think it's any different than that. 1128 00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:55,190 I'm actually going into your living room when you call for service and getting your personal information. We're taking images of 1129 00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:58,510 the kiddos. 1130 00:56:58,740 --> 00:56:59,790 Sitting in your living room. 1131 00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:00,620 And that is? 1132 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:02,460 That's a law. 1133 00:57:02,580 --> 00:57:05,940 We don't have a choice, but do that the law you. 1134 00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:08,500 Enacted the law that says we will do. 1135 00:57:09,450 --> 00:57:12,790 What we do is we we have redaction software. 1136 00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:15,310 So that none of that information is. 1137 00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:19,100 Being disseminated to those who have nefarious intention. 1138 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:24,900 Your date of birth, your Social Security number, the image of your 13 year old son sitting on the couch while you're. 1139 00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:26,830 Telling me that your gig got hit last night. 1140 00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:29,580 We have redactions, we have the ability to redact that. 1141 00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:31,740 If we can't redact that. 1142 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:35,900 Then there's an exemption under IPPRA that says we don't have to release it at all. 1143 00:57:36,580 --> 00:57:38,780 So what we intend to do, and I intend. 1144 00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:41,740 If we do this and I'm comfortable with it. 1145 00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:43,700 Is set the very same? 1146 00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:47,430 Limits and parameters. There's a potential for abuse in just about anything. 1147 00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:50,580 I mean the common things we issue everyone of our deputies. 1148 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,470 3 firearms. 1149 00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:54,660 We all know there's an abuse. 1150 00:57:54,980 --> 00:57:58,380 Element. It could be its potential there, we all understand that. 1151 00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:00,660 I don't think this is any any different. 1152 00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:02,380 Anybody caught? 1153 00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:04,380 In my office doing something. 1154 00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,380 That is not in the best interest of this entire county or. 1155 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:08,540 Personal reasons. 1156 00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:10,260 Is going to face me. 1157 00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:12,990 Period. I've proven that. 1158 00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:17,020 Over 5 1/2 years, don't think for a second because you stand behind a badge. 1159 00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:18,750 I'm going to let you get away from stuff. 1160 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:21,460 Nobody hates a bad cop worse than a good one. 1161 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:26,220 So to answer your question, yes, I assume it's potentially high. 1162 00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:30,060 Hackable, but the Axon system that we've got. 1163 00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:36,910 We retain all the information. Nothing is disseminated anywhere else. Nothing goes anywhere else unless. 1164 00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:38,460 I say it goes there. 1165 00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:42,860 And so that's another question I have is just how vulnerable is it? 1166 00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:44,710 That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on it. 1167 00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,940 Trust me when I tell you this and I think everybody says, oh. 1168 00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:49,580 When the government says trust them. 1169 00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:51,180 No, but I'm telling you right now. 1170 00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:53,220 You can trust me to know that I'm not. 1171 00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:55,740 Going to let you be victimized. 1172 00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:57,340 Not by the government. 1173 00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,100 Or not by anyone else that's it's not going to happen. 1174 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,260 I appreciate your openness and listening and I do really appreciate everything you've been doing for a sheriff. My other question 1175 00:59:05,260 --> 00:59:09,560 like which I haven't looked into. 1176 00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:10,980 Like the companies? 1177 00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:16,700 Backgrounds like who they own, are they any parts like, you know, owned or. 1178 00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:21,700 You know, funded by like foreign governments coming, you know, money into the. 1179 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:22,540 This one. 1180 00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:24,860 No, and we there was a. 1181 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:29,740 I forget now, there was a software company that was helpful that wouldn't. 1182 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:31,820 We I get calls from vendors all the time. 1183 00:59:32,180 --> 00:59:33,780 Well, you know, here's the latest grades. 1184 00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:38,400 And I can't remember who it was we were talking to said that for staff specific reason, there is absolutely no way that they would 1185 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,940 ever. 1186 00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:45,420 Joined forces with Flock. 1187 00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:47,780 Parabolic, apparently. 1188 00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:52,020 Clock has here you go. If I capture the data, anybody can get to it. 1189 00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:56,510 I'm not sure that's where a slope we want to slide down. 1190 00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:57,060 So. 1191 01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:02,900 That being said, any any other questions, I'm glad to entertain them. 1192 01:00:04,220 --> 01:00:05,100 Mr. Vandenberg. 1193 01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:10,740 Ain't no way I'll ever be as articulate as this man David Vandenberg. 1194 01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:15,060 God bless you brother, I respect everything that you do. 1195 01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:18,860 Let's step back to the episode that we're all aware of. 1196 01:00:19,810 --> 01:00:21,150 Our Constitution. 1197 01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:22,500 Is for us. 1198 01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:27,140 We're the ones that get to decide when government is no longer. 1199 01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:28,260 Abiding by. 1200 01:00:28,420 --> 01:00:30,670 The rights of what the people should be doing. 1201 01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:34,420 Back in 2020 COVID. 1202 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,710 You had a meeting out here in this community. 1203 01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:40,940 Where we all stood together and you told everyone. 1204 01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:47,380 That you are not going to be that person who is going to let any outside entity come into this community. 1205 01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:50,900 And dictate. So my concerns have always been. 1206 01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:51,980 The overreach. 1207 01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:54,140 The fact that there are government and. 1208 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,140 Players, uh. 1209 01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:57,620 That are taking whatever advantages. 1210 01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:58,580 They can. 1211 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:00,020 We know that COVID. 1212 01:01:00,220 --> 01:01:00,860 Was. 1213 01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:02,580 Concocted. 1214 01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:06,650 We know that there were things that were done that should not have been done. 1215 01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:08,210 That put us all on. 1216 01:01:08,410 --> 01:01:09,530 In harm's way? 1217 01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:15,930 And as a free citizen who understands that my government is now taking steps to infringe upon. 1218 01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:19,850 What I know they have to stop doing and when we get to say. 1219 01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:20,650 Stop. 1220 01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:22,410 Enough is enough. 1221 01:01:22,930 --> 01:01:27,435 I want us all to be able to look at the things that are taking place and recognize we have got to stand together because what 1222 01:01:27,435 --> 01:01:31,940 we're seeing happen is a divisional tactic. 1223 01:01:32,410 --> 01:01:33,050 It is a. 1224 01:01:33,810 --> 01:01:38,530 We are losing the battle because we're we have stood by and let it grow. 1225 01:01:38,610 --> 01:01:39,610 Exponentially, uh. 1226 01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:42,170 And we have not stood together to stop it. 1227 01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:44,780 And if we're not going to do those things? 1228 01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:47,250 As the Constitution says. 1229 01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:49,930 I at any point in time. 1230 01:01:50,050 --> 01:01:51,650 Have that right to say. 1231 01:01:51,930 --> 01:01:57,850 No. And any of the laws that we say that have been in place, again, the laws are. 1232 01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:59,010 What we? 1233 01:01:59,290 --> 01:02:00,690 Agreed upon. 1234 01:02:00,810 --> 01:02:04,895 And that if there's something that goes beyond and it's not doing like it should be for the well-being, safety and positivity for 1235 01:02:04,895 --> 01:02:08,980 what we all should expect. 1236 01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:11,970 We have to agree. We stop and revamp. 1237 01:02:12,330 --> 01:02:17,970 Take another look and ensure that those constitutional rights that we have are not being infringed upon. 1238 01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:22,810 And what we're seeing that are taking place is these are always going to be steps. 1239 01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:25,850 That a government where these entities will take. 1240 01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:30,050 To benefit themselves and they keep making improvements. 1241 01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:32,460 For what they say they have control over. 1242 01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:37,610 When that's not right, it's us. We're the ones and I'm with you and want to make sure that we stand together to prevent any of 1243 01:02:37,610 --> 01:02:42,530 these other entities wanting to try to use something. 1244 01:02:42,730 --> 01:02:46,410 Against us, it should never have been like that, but that's where we stand today. 1245 01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:48,330 Again, God bless you for what you're doing. 1246 01:02:50,650 --> 01:02:53,410 So if there's nobody else, then we'll we'll ask. 1247 01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:54,730 One more. 1248 01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:56,090 Please come on up man. 1249 01:02:56,980 --> 01:03:00,820 State your name. Thank you. My name is Valerie Espinosa. 1250 01:03:01,130 --> 01:03:02,610 I have a few questions. Umm. 1251 01:03:04,610 --> 01:03:11,210 When talking about the security and the knowledge of these cameras, you, you said you really didn't know, you didn't understand. 1252 01:03:11,770 --> 01:03:13,970 You talked about keeping us safe and that you. 1253 01:03:14,610 --> 01:03:18,210 Bring anything to us that is the industry you don't know anything about. 1254 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,640 What is controlling them? Who can access them? 1255 01:03:23,890 --> 01:03:26,130 There's a question, that's why I haven't implemented it. 1256 01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:28,250 That's why we're not doing to know why. 1257 01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:33,950 It's even considered if you haven't really looked into it because it is a super beneficial tool. I mean, this thing works. We 1258 01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:39,490 have, we serve a triple homicide based on these things. 1259 01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:40,650 But again. 1260 01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:44,730 Is it constitutional? I have not pulled the trigger. We are not using this. 1261 01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:49,010 But don't think for a minute that I'm going to close my mind to it and say Nope. 1262 01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:55,370 Oh no, no, I'm not finished, not by a long shot. I want a little bit more information. 1263 01:03:58,130 --> 01:04:06,170 How are these cameras constitutional and if you use them, do they affect any of our water supply? That's just a. 1264 01:04:07,830 --> 01:04:09,390 Worried that we all have. 1265 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,100 And what is this costing us as tax taxpayers? 1266 01:04:14,290 --> 01:04:16,010 And if these block. 1267 01:04:16,090 --> 01:04:20,250 Cameras are implemented. Do you all and your officers get a pay decrease? Now say that you got to start from the beginning. You 1268 01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:24,410 got four or five questions there. Let's get #1. 1269 01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:27,390 How are they constitutional? 1270 01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:32,210 You get onto a roadway, these things are not looking at your face. 1271 01:04:32,530 --> 01:04:37,090 All right. I will not do facial recognition. I will not have anything looking at your face. 1272 01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:42,100 Right. These things are simply a license. But let me answer your question. You asked it, so I'm gonna take my time. 1273 01:04:42,490 --> 01:04:44,010 The minute you get on a roadway. 1274 01:04:44,090 --> 01:04:45,770 And you share that roadway. 1275 01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:46,980 With other people. 1276 01:04:47,530 --> 01:04:49,330 Everything around that vehicle. 1277 01:04:49,450 --> 01:04:51,450 Is absolute fair game. 1278 01:04:51,570 --> 01:04:57,130 And everything in there. No, no, that's different. That is an extension your home. I'm not talking about the interior. Let's be 1279 01:04:57,130 --> 01:05:02,690 specific. You asked a question. Let me answer that question. 1280 01:05:03,290 --> 01:05:06,570 The minute you get in that vehicle and drive down the street. 1281 01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:09,850 That license plate is visible to anybody. 1282 01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:12,050 Everybody tracking me. 1283 01:05:12,730 --> 01:05:13,850 There is no tracking. 1284 01:05:13,930 --> 01:05:18,615 I don't see that. So I'm glad you asked that question because nobody's tracking. Let let's let the sheriff nobody's tracking and 1285 01:05:18,615 --> 01:05:23,300 then you can ask another nobody's tracking anything. I think you've come in here today. 1286 01:05:23,410 --> 01:05:26,370 And I think other people out there have come in with this preconceived notion that this is how it is, but you don't want to listen 1287 01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:29,330 to the fact. 1288 01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:33,060 This system is not tracking nobody. 1289 01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:34,330 Why? 1290 01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:35,490 Why would I track it? 1291 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,960 If you are not a murderer. 1292 01:05:38,090 --> 01:05:39,290 Why am I going to track it? 1293 01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:41,170 What is the system called? 1294 01:05:42,850 --> 01:05:48,050 So we could study it. Because you do. Please do. Please get your facts, because here's one thing I've learned over years. 1295 01:05:48,370 --> 01:05:50,850 Is if you're going to take a stand and you're going to come out. 1296 01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:57,730 And I mean brilliantly about things. Always make sure you check your facts because you kind of lose credibility when you don't so. 1297 01:05:58,010 --> 01:06:02,250 So make sure you get your back 'cause I'm working on it on my end you do the same question #2. 1298 01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:07,050 Do these cameras use any of our? 1299 01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:08,010 No. 1300 01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:13,180 If these cameras are implemented. 1301 01:06:13,290 --> 01:06:18,570 Do your deputies, any of the officers yourself, any of you get a paid deduction? Absolutely not. 1302 01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:22,570 Why wouldn't you if they're doing your work a played pay deduction? 1303 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,240 What is the process? 1304 01:06:26,330 --> 01:06:28,290 Nothing. These cost you nothing. 1305 01:06:29,650 --> 01:06:31,410 These came as part of a package. 1306 01:06:31,850 --> 01:06:35,930 Of the body cams, I thought it was well, state law says we will wear a lapel Cam. 1307 01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:36,770 In the story. 1308 01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:40,490 Period. So what I wanted to do is enhance that. 1309 01:06:40,610 --> 01:06:41,330 And I've done that. 1310 01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:45,940 And this Commission given me the funding to not only do the lapel cams, which is statutory required, but we're also doing dash 1311 01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:49,740 cams. 1312 01:06:50,130 --> 01:06:54,050 That dash Cam is going to be on most of the time, or triggered by three specific events. 1313 01:06:54,530 --> 01:07:00,090 Turn the red lights on, it comes on. We get in the front end, crash, it comes on. A certain speed is met, it comes on. 1314 01:07:00,290 --> 01:07:02,050 And prisoner cans. 1315 01:07:02,170 --> 01:07:06,290 Cameras that point and face and record what's going on in the backseat of a police car whenever prison. 1316 01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:08,250 So I've enhanced that. 1317 01:07:09,020 --> 01:07:12,420 And made it even more than what the state statute is said to do. 1318 01:07:13,090 --> 01:07:13,850 All right, but. 1319 01:07:14,850 --> 01:07:16,090 System with the help. 1320 01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:17,370 Last Readers. Readers. 1321 01:07:17,530 --> 01:07:19,130 Was not something we had to pay a cent. 1322 01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:21,620 It came with the package. 1323 01:07:21,850 --> 01:07:23,650 That means I can decide. 1324 01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:31,170 Axon, sure. Could you just tell them how much this package cost? I think what was the final number? 1325 01:07:32,570 --> 01:07:36,010 Is it $168,000 a year for a five year? 1326 01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:39,010 Then you're in yours. 1327 01:07:40,210 --> 01:07:43,170 It was packaged. We don't. We're not paying for the LPR. 1328 01:07:43,690 --> 01:07:44,410 Feature alone. 1329 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:47,610 How does these cameras assist you all? 1330 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:49,850 OK, so envision this. 1331 01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:52,220 So envision this and I'll give you a hypothetical. 1332 01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:54,410 Is Miss Espinosa correct? 1333 01:07:54,530 --> 01:07:56,010 Right. You're a sheriff's deputy. 1334 01:07:56,210 --> 01:07:59,970 You're driving down the road. The car in front of you, the license plate reader, is looking at that. 1335 01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:03,170 You don't know that the person sitting in that. 1336 01:08:03,530 --> 01:08:06,410 Has just killed somebody in another county and they're driving through. 1337 01:08:06,490 --> 01:08:08,330 The person who has done that knows it. 1338 01:08:08,970 --> 01:08:11,450 And all they know is now I got a cop behind me. 1339 01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:13,660 All right, so. 1340 01:08:13,810 --> 01:08:15,210 Their expectation. 1341 01:08:15,570 --> 01:08:17,370 Of apprehension or. 1342 01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:19,890 Being killed or whatever, it immediately comes up. 1343 01:08:20,210 --> 01:08:23,460 That sends an alert to the sheriff's deputy, who's looking at it right there. 1344 01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:26,610 It says handle this one with caution. Be careful. 1345 01:08:26,730 --> 01:08:28,180 Don't just walk up there. 1346 01:08:28,330 --> 01:08:30,330 Because these people will shoot you in the face. 1347 01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:33,110 We have triple homicide and Bent. 1348 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,580 As part of the Major Crimes Unit. 1349 01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:41,050 The suspect to kill these three people traveled all the way across this country, ended up on the East Coast. 1350 01:08:41,290 --> 01:08:43,650 We use those cameras to say it's just in such a. 1351 01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:46,210 Time that vehicle the vehicle. 1352 01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:47,620 Not the driver. 1353 01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:50,650 Went through and passed the camera in Texas. 1354 01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:55,730 Louisiana, we tracked that person's movements by those, so it's extremely useful tool. 1355 01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:59,490 I mean, when you're in the business of taking bad guys off the street, this is. 1356 01:08:59,610 --> 01:09:01,010 The bomb right here. 1357 01:09:01,130 --> 01:09:03,290 Because most everybody flees in a motor eagle. 1358 01:09:04,310 --> 01:09:05,700 So she meant. 1359 01:09:05,810 --> 01:09:06,930 Tremendous help to us. 1360 01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:08,090 Next question. 1361 01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:11,730 What helps us when the bad guy is the one that has the act? 1362 01:09:12,170 --> 01:09:12,930 This too. 1363 01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:14,490 Now say that one more time. 1364 01:09:15,410 --> 01:09:16,850 Who and what protects us? 1365 01:09:17,770 --> 01:09:22,850 When the bad guy is the one with the access to our license division there again. 1366 01:09:23,860 --> 01:09:26,420 That is going to come down to your to me. 1367 01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:29,500 None of this information is going anywhere. 1368 01:09:30,010 --> 01:09:33,090 And if I can't be satisfied with that, then I'm not going to do it. 1369 01:09:33,730 --> 01:09:36,690 You can't see that? Not yet. No, that's correct. 1370 01:09:37,250 --> 01:09:39,850 And that's why I have not initiated this program. 1371 01:09:47,710 --> 01:09:55,100 Good morning. 1372 01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:59,860 My name is Deena Turner. I'm not here representing my organization. This is just something. 1373 01:09:59,970 --> 01:10:01,010 I wanted to say. 1374 01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:09,090 So, Sheriff, you have repeatedly explained the ways that you would not use this technology, and I appreciate these assurances. 1375 01:10:09,490 --> 01:10:14,660 But I don't think public policy should depend on the assurances of any individual elected official. 1376 01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:16,970 You will not always be sheriff. 1377 01:10:17,410 --> 01:10:19,570 He's commissioner will not always sit up here. 1378 01:10:20,290 --> 01:10:24,410 Technology will change in the capabilities of these systems will change as well. 1379 01:10:24,490 --> 01:10:26,420 What remains is the infrastructure. 1380 01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:29,650 My concern is it's simply that the camera can read a license plate. 1381 01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:33,190 My concern is what happens to that information afterward? How long is it retained? These are not questions you need to answer. Who 1382 01:10:33,190 --> 01:10:36,610 can search for it? 1383 01:10:36,730 --> 01:10:37,730 For what purpose? 1384 01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:40,330 Can someone's movements be searched historically? 1385 01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:42,770 Can the information be shared with other agencies? 1386 01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:49,370 What safeguards prevent the technology from being used in ways the current sheriff says he has no intention of using it? 1387 01:10:50,530 --> 01:10:54,890 If it is the sheriff's position that these cameras will not be used for certain purposes. 1388 01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:56,570 That needs to be put into policy. 1389 01:10:58,770 --> 01:11:00,770 Yeah, in fact, doing a policy would. 1390 01:11:00,930 --> 01:11:07,010 Protect him, the deputies, the county, the public, everybody by establishing rules before any kind of controversy occurs. 1391 01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:11,215 We shouldn't write a policy based on what we believe today's officials will do. We should write it based on what we would be 1392 01:11:11,215 --> 01:11:14,780 comfortable allowing in the future. 1393 01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:17,730 Future share of future administration. 1394 01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:20,850 Or any other outside agency with access to it. 1395 01:11:21,570 --> 01:11:27,530 These cameras may be a valuable law enforcement tool, but powerful tools deserve equally strong safeguards. 1396 01:11:27,850 --> 01:11:31,850 I'm asking the Commission to make sure those safeguards are adopted in writing. 1397 01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:34,290 Before Lincoln County begins collecting this data. 1398 01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:38,890 Thank you. Well, and I appreciate that. I'll respond to it. That's exactly. I couldn't have said it any better. 1399 01:11:39,010 --> 01:11:40,410 That's why I'm struggling with. 1400 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,560 That's exactly why. Because you're right, in 2 1/2 years I won't be your chief. 1401 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,000 I got to make sure that I'm leaving something that I am. 1402 01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:54,810 I'm comfortable with leaving my kids with my grandparents, my folks. I you're absolutely right. 1403 01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:56,330 That's why I haven't done it yet. 1404 01:11:56,490 --> 01:11:58,850 And that's why I wanted it on today's agenda. 1405 01:11:59,210 --> 01:12:02,410 Again, social media, I'm not responding to none of that. 1406 01:12:02,850 --> 01:12:07,930 When you come here, you speak to everybody and that's why I appreciate that and you just illustrated my point. 1407 01:12:08,210 --> 01:12:10,210 That's why I have not pulled the trigger on you. 1408 01:12:10,890 --> 01:12:13,050 That's why I have not done it. I got questions. 1409 01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:15,370 I don't have one. I have a crystal ball. 1410 01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:19,690 Commissioner Fisher doesn't have the answers. You don't have the answers. You don't have the answers. 1411 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:22,810 Somebody's got to and if I can't find the answers, this. 1412 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:26,130 Satisfy me and making sure that I am protecting you. 1413 01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:29,330 Constitutionally and and making sure that you. 1414 01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:31,820 You're right to not be invited, I'm just not going to use it. 1415 01:12:32,210 --> 01:12:33,290 In the story, I don't have to. 1416 01:12:33,610 --> 01:12:38,310 I have the luxury of that. I also have the luxury of this. It doesn't make any difference what the governor, the president, 1417 01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:43,010 legislators, anybody in the world says when it comes down to it. 1418 01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:47,220 I will put myself directly between you and anybody. 1419 01:12:47,730 --> 01:12:51,690 Who or any entity that sets out the harm or infringe? End of story. 1420 01:12:51,930 --> 01:12:54,170 And people aren't getting in this country behind. 1421 01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:56,530 County Sheriff, you better understand. 1422 01:12:56,970 --> 01:12:58,970 If you do away with your County Sheriff. 1423 01:12:59,130 --> 01:13:00,530 And you don't have a good one. 1424 01:13:00,650 --> 01:13:01,970 You are screwed. 1425 01:13:02,970 --> 01:13:05,690 Period. You had better never. 1426 01:13:06,170 --> 01:13:07,490 That institution go. 1427 01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:08,570 To the wayside. 1428 01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:10,050 That is your only voice. 1429 01:13:10,650 --> 01:13:12,930 I am the the sheriff is actually. 1430 01:13:13,450 --> 01:13:16,810 The highest ranking elected official within his or her respective county. 1431 01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:19,260 Nothing goes anywhere. 1432 01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:21,610 Nothing happens in this county. 1433 01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:25,420 On a federal or state level, that one the sheriff doesn't know about. 1434 01:13:25,690 --> 01:13:27,330 #2 the sheriff better. 1435 01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:30,810 Find it constitutional or not, or it's not going to happen, I thought. 1436 01:13:31,210 --> 01:13:32,490 I've already done all that stuff. 1437 01:13:32,690 --> 01:13:35,050 I've stood up against the governor. No, you're not doing this. 1438 01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:37,900 It's not going to happen. I had to stand up against the federal government. 1439 01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:39,250 No, you're not gonna do this. 1440 01:13:40,060 --> 01:13:42,580 Which you better understand. You better get behind your County Sheriff. 1441 01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:48,350 They don't work for anybody else. This Commission has absolutely zero authority. 1442 01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:52,970 To reprimand me. They have zero authority to dismiss me. 1443 01:13:53,170 --> 01:13:56,090 They have zero authority to repro. 1444 01:13:56,990 --> 01:13:57,750 Direct. 1445 01:13:58,810 --> 01:14:01,900 Now you may OfferUp operational suggestions. 1446 01:14:02,290 --> 01:14:04,530 Criticism etc etc etc. But. 1447 01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:06,450 The sheriff answers to nobody. 1448 01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:08,490 The sheriff answers to everybody. 1449 01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:10,090 OK. 1450 01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:12,290 You don't answer to 1 or a group. 1451 01:14:12,650 --> 01:14:15,730 Like your local police chiefs or even the US Marshals? Their point? 1452 01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:17,530 By a body of individuals. 1453 01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:19,530 Your sheriff is elected by you. 1454 01:14:20,670 --> 01:14:23,980 And what an absolute honor. 1455 01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:27,660 I don't understand any sheriff who would not take it serious. 1456 01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:29,210 The people in a larger. 1457 01:14:29,730 --> 01:14:31,370 Municipality or county? 1458 01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:32,450 Have said. 1459 01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:33,450 We trust you. 1460 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,740 Take care of us, keep us safe and keep us free. 1461 01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:41,410 I lose sleep overnight. I had a good night's sleep. In 5 1/2 years it all stops. 1462 01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:43,860 When you get right there, I can't sue anybody. 1463 01:14:44,410 --> 01:14:47,290 I can't levy a complaint against anybody and. 1464 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,700 Hope that it goes anywhere on the IT. 1465 01:14:49,930 --> 01:14:55,090 On the top of the freaking food chain, man. And why I get $83,000 a year. 1466 01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:57,170 Maybe you don't understand this too. 1467 01:14:57,370 --> 01:14:59,570 You asked about compensation and paying all that stuff. 1468 01:14:59,770 --> 01:15:00,930 Here's what the County Sheriff. 1469 01:15:01,450 --> 01:15:02,850 $83,000 a year. 1470 01:15:03,370 --> 01:15:05,570 That's it. I get no overtime. 1471 01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:07,050 I get no vacation time. 1472 01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:09,450 No sick leave, I don't get holiday pay. 1473 01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:11,570 I don't get clothing allowance. 1474 01:15:12,130 --> 01:15:13,090 I get a salary. 1475 01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:13,970 That's it. 1476 01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:19,660 To put in over 100 something hours, I guarantee you every two weeks. You trust me. Don't think for a second it don't. 1477 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:21,860 That's what I get so. 1478 01:15:23,180 --> 01:15:26,860 I don't understand if there's a sheriff out there that wouldn't take this seriously. 1479 01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:32,410 And be able to stand in front of a body of people and take responsibility for his or her actions. 1480 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:33,450 All along. 1481 01:15:34,730 --> 01:15:38,610 Relaying to this body of individuals that you can honestly trust me. 1482 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:40,960 I know, I get it. 1483 01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:43,250 58 years old. 1484 01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:45,460 There have been. 1485 01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:48,290 Politicians and elected officials you couldn't trust. 1486 01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:49,780 I'm telling you. 1487 01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:50,770 You can trust me. 1488 01:15:51,370 --> 01:15:52,210 I think you know that. 1489 01:15:53,610 --> 01:15:54,290 Anyone else? 1490 01:15:57,330 --> 01:16:01,690 I just have one more, one more come on up, man. And and we we need to close on this one unless there's. 1491 01:16:03,170 --> 01:16:06,890 Kenya Eckert So like, I was worried about, you know, the hacking. 1492 01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:10,930 Portion of it and stuff. So like, you know, this is just the Internet. She's just as like a quick like search about like Axon and 1493 01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:14,850 stuff. But it definitely says that. 1494 01:16:15,130 --> 01:16:16,610 Their hardware components. 1495 01:16:17,010 --> 01:16:19,410 Rely from an international supply chain. 1496 01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:24,690 Engineering elements and hardware components technology from Israel. 1497 01:16:24,850 --> 01:16:30,620 And they're domestic. And so like there's already that connection. And then it has, like it says, China. 1498 01:16:31,050 --> 01:16:36,235 They don't use it because it's an unreliable entity list, so they obviously create their own to spy on their people. So like they 1499 01:16:36,235 --> 01:16:41,420 we may want to just kind of look into like what exactly? 1500 01:16:42,130 --> 01:16:46,890 It may not be hackers, it may be actually from the company themselves that like maybe you guys aren't storing or saving that data 1501 01:16:46,890 --> 01:16:51,650 or whatever, but it could be going back to a source. 1502 01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:52,890 From where that? 1503 01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:56,580 Technology comes from just as another like thing to think about. 1504 01:16:56,730 --> 01:16:58,010 Absolutely. Thank you. 1505 01:16:59,930 --> 01:17:03,810 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commission, thank you very much. I believe this was important. 1506 01:17:09,550 --> 01:17:10,150 I don't know if. 1507 01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:15,500 You can sit down, but we do have something else I want to give the opportunity for the Commission. 1508 01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:18,370 To comment or ask a question, by all means. 1509 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,500 Is there any commissioners that would like to make a comment? 1510 01:17:23,730 --> 01:17:24,330 I think from. 1511 01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:26,050 Just what? What? 1512 01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:28,850 Does it step on your right to? 1513 01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:30,370 Fisher accuser. 1514 01:17:31,090 --> 01:17:35,170 Now I'm sorry again, Mr. Commissioner, say, you know, one of our rights is to to. 1515 01:17:35,770 --> 01:17:39,930 If we do something wrong or anything like that is to face your accuser. 1516 01:17:40,570 --> 01:17:41,730 You know where does that? 1517 01:17:41,850 --> 01:17:43,450 Get trumped at with the. 1518 01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:45,770 With the videos with the. 1519 01:17:46,590 --> 01:17:47,990 Readers and all that stuff. 1520 01:17:49,570 --> 01:17:50,930 Again, it's it's it's. 1521 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,800 The system we've. 1522 01:17:52,930 --> 01:17:57,850 Got and may implement, may not, I don't know yet. Is strictly for the license plate. 1523 01:17:58,450 --> 01:18:02,530 And the vehicle maybe have a bumper sticker or there's a bullet hole in the side or whatever. 1524 01:18:02,850 --> 01:18:03,930 It looks at the car. 1525 01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:05,970 It's an investigative tool. 1526 01:18:06,250 --> 01:18:07,290 Just like a. 1527 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,730 Oh, there's some software that we use one of us called TLO and it's. 1528 01:18:10,970 --> 01:18:13,890 It's an investigative tool. It's not admissible in court. 1529 01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:15,970 But it gives you a step to. 1530 01:18:16,090 --> 01:18:18,770 Follow or gives you a jump off point. 1531 01:18:19,170 --> 01:18:22,770 To follow and build the case and gather the evidence necessary to go trial. 1532 01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:24,930 And so this isn't. 1533 01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:28,570 Because that plates not going to tell me the manager Burns is driving the car. 1534 01:18:28,930 --> 01:18:29,980 It's not going to do that. 1535 01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:34,020 It's going to say this car and this plate was involved in something. 1536 01:18:34,410 --> 01:18:37,330 And law enforcement put in place by the people. 1537 01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:41,210 Doc put in place by the people as a nation of laws. 1538 01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:43,930 Entered that because they want to talk to this guy. 1539 01:18:45,170 --> 01:18:47,010 So it doesn't have anything to. 1540 01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:49,290 It's a. It's a tool. It's a jump off point. It's a. 1541 01:18:50,370 --> 01:18:53,740 Because until we light the candles on that car and get them pulled over on Side Rd. 1542 01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:55,330 We don't know who's in it. 1543 01:18:55,770 --> 01:18:56,490 We'll never know that. 1544 01:18:57,350 --> 01:19:02,020 These things don't capture images of the interior. They don't capture images of face or a driver. 1545 01:19:02,210 --> 01:19:05,930 They don't even capture the color of the seat belt, it just looks at the plate. 1546 01:19:06,130 --> 01:19:07,170 In the car so. 1547 01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:12,620 That really the facing your accuser doesn't really play in on on this. 1548 01:19:13,970 --> 01:19:17,530 Incident until we were able to use this as an investigative tool and determine, yes, manager Burns was involved in a bad, bad 1549 01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:21,090 crime he gets to go with a. 1550 01:19:21,570 --> 01:19:22,810 And then we build the case. 1551 01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:27,130 And someone who was victimized by, you know, now gets the face. 1552 01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:29,570 Now he gets to face his accuser. 1553 01:19:29,650 --> 01:19:30,650 Does that make sense? 1554 01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:32,530 There really isn't. 1555 01:19:33,090 --> 01:19:37,170 An element in existence that has anything to do with facing your accusers. 1556 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,380 Is this the tool Mrs. You better watch. 1557 01:19:40,650 --> 01:19:42,810 This vehicle has been injured. There's a problem here. 1558 01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:46,170 But again, we're not going to use this if we do. 1559 01:19:48,010 --> 01:19:51,490 Manager Burns calls me and his cat got out. I mean, I, there's, I think we're not going to use it for those things. This is for 1560 01:19:51,490 --> 01:19:54,970 those kind of things that we're going to get somebody off the street. 1561 01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:55,690 Now. 1562 01:19:56,490 --> 01:20:00,610 This person has killed somebody or is about to that's we're not going to be using it for. 1563 01:20:01,770 --> 01:20:03,490 Petty misdemeanors and those kinds of things. 1564 01:20:04,410 --> 01:20:07,570 I hope I answered your question, because it really isn't one other than to say that. 1565 01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:10,090 There is no element of paging your accusers. 1566 01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:13,930 Well, I mean, if you're if you're accused of a crime, right, so. 1567 01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:16,460 That's the part I was getting at. 1568 01:20:16,730 --> 01:20:19,090 Well, in our instance I can only speak to us. 1569 01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:21,490 If I implement this system and it's on the police car. 1570 01:20:21,650 --> 01:20:24,290 Before any of my deputy sheriff's, any of them. 1571 01:20:24,450 --> 01:20:25,730 Anybody working for the shirt? 1572 01:20:25,810 --> 01:20:26,730 In this county. 1573 01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:32,130 Enters Tamiya Eckert's license plate into the system. Maybe you better come to me with a good reason for it. 1574 01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:35,620 Don't come to me because, well, I've been seeing her going up and down Main Street several times. Don't come to me with that kind 1575 01:20:35,620 --> 01:20:38,300 of garbage. 1576 01:20:38,610 --> 01:20:44,130 You need to come to me to say her vehicle that she's driving or the vehicle that has this plate on is involved in a crime. 1577 01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:48,890 And we need either sought and obtained search warrants, arrest warrants. 1578 01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:51,450 Well, there's a reason why we need to pull this vehicle. 1579 01:20:54,260 --> 01:20:59,200 OK, so the plate will not read it until they've received permission from you? No, no, it will not be entered in as a targeted 1580 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:04,140 plate until I give the permission to do so. 1581 01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:09,850 These things aren't scanning everybody's plates and coming up with some reason to get it pulled over and guns pointed at you. 1582 01:21:09,850 --> 01:21:13,770 That's not happening. 1583 01:21:14,170 --> 01:21:18,690 Before Commissioner Cerner's license plate, you ever going to see the red lights come on behind you? 1584 01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:23,530 If it has to do with your license plate in this particular on this particular topic. 1585 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,080 It has to have been entered by a law enforcement agency. 1586 01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:29,530 And there has to be justification for that. 1587 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,120 Because entering that license plate or bumper stickers that you may have on the outside of that vehicle. 1588 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:39,200 Depending upon the narrative that is entered in there by the law enforcement agency seeking this vehicle. 1589 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:45,800 Depending on what that reason is, could result in you being prone out on the asphalt with guns pointed at you. 1590 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,800 We're not picking that lightly. 1591 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,760 We're not about to let somebody say, well, she ****** me off. 1592 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:56,600 Here's her plate. Put it in there. We'll get her pulled over for some. No, we're not doing that. 1593 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,280 And if that's going on anywhere else in this country, that's shame. 1594 01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:02,370 That is ********. 1595 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,360 Don't be doing it. It's not happening here. 1596 01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:10,120 So it's not just going to it has to have a bona fide reason. 1597 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:11,600 To flag your plate. 1598 01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:19,950 So you keep referring law enforcement, you know it's been entered into a law enforcement database. 1599 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,640 OK. So you're not being specific to Lincoln County? 1600 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,680 Our plates that are read by this automatic license plate reader. 1601 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,840 Will be accessible to other law enforcement well upon request. 1602 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:38,760 And you'll see the contract that we have with Axon is that I nothing goes nowhere that I don't approve. 1603 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,440 So if Otero County calls me and says hey. 1604 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,450 And this is one of the reasons I don't have the stationary roadside cameras, because I don't really need them. 1605 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,680 You're not going to come into Lincoln County or leave Lincoln County right now. 1606 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,280 And not go past one unless you're. 1607 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,880 A dirt Rd. It cuts through, you know, cow trail. 1608 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,200 Every county surrounding Lincoln. 1609 01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:00,800 So that's one of the reasons I did. Why am I going to spend $18,000 on something when I don't need it, right? 1610 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,000 Specific to this county. 1611 01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,560 Rephrase or repeat the last part of your question, Commissioner. 1612 01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,640 The database it stays in house. 1613 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,960 With this office, my agency. 1614 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:14,200 He goes nowhere else. 1615 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,560 If you if Otero County calls and says we just had an armed robbery at the Circle K. 1616 01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,280 And we put this license where we would like to put this license plate in there. 1617 01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,040 They get one, have the ability to do it themselves. 1618 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,660 And we think it's headed into your county, then we might consult it, but we will really have to even do that because it'll flag 1619 01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:33,240 automatically and send off sirens. 1620 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,080 It says that plate that they want tonight. Ron robbery just came through US. 54 and 3. 1621 01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:42,770 OK, so maybe I'm not understanding the. 1622 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:47,490 Software when a deputies unit pulls up behind a vehicle. 1623 01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,720 Their license plate is read and stored and retained for how long? 1624 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,050 That's going to be the parameter that we get to set. 1625 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,360 And I intend to do, and I think I may have touched on this a moment ago with the lapel cameras, Here's how we do the lapel camera 1626 01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,320 video. 1627 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,640 We can generate hours and hours. 1628 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,400 Of lapel video during one shift. 1629 01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:06,920 One day shift. 1630 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,920 Right with 3/4 deputies on the road. 1631 01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,680 That's a lot of storage. If we don't, it's never going to. Nothing is, ever. 1632 01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,800 Come of it. So what we do, we set the parameter. 1633 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,520 Of after 120 days all of that data goes away. 1634 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,040 It is deleted and is not retrievable. 1635 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,040 All right, because if I don't. 1636 01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,680 And we run into this several years ago with the. 1637 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,720 Watch guard system that we had. 1638 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,460 We didn't know it but they were charging us for every moment to store. We got to build the end of the year for like 30 something 1639 01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:34,160 1000 bucks. 1640 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,720 So we they didn't explain to us that we can set the parameters. 1641 01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,050 I set it at 120 days. 1642 01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,840 At 120 days. 1643 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:43,120 If it's. 1644 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,300 Tammy's license plate and she's not flagged as neat as being wanted from somewhere. He goes away, it just deleted and it's not 1645 01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:49,360 retrievable. 1646 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,170 I do that for two reasons. One. 1647 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,160 By that amount of time, we should know. 1648 01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:58,920 If there's any chance we would ever need to use that information in a court of law to prosecute and bring justice to a victim. 1649 01:24:59,120 --> 01:24:59,880 #2. 1650 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,320 It satisfies the torque. 1651 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,480 Claim notice timeline in the state of New Mexico I believe is 90 days. 1652 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,000 Right, if you're going to sue me or my agents. 1653 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,760 For something you got 90 days to notify us, you're going to do that if you don't. 1654 01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:12,640 You don't get to sue. 1655 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,600 So I want that footage retain. 1656 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,720 After 120 days it. 1657 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,240 Self purges goes away and it is unfortunately lost. RIP. 1658 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,960 That's the same. That's the way we're going to set up these Axon cameras. 1659 01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:27,170 What's the point of? 1660 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,280 I don't understand the point. 1661 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,280 Of saving anytime beyond that. 1662 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:37,680 I don't understand saving it. If they're innocent and haven't been connected with a crime, why would you even save it? 1663 01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,840 24 the system. 1664 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,480 That's the system. We don't know that something hasn't happened in another state. 1665 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,080 So far they don't have that plate enough. I mean, it's just a tool. 1666 01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:53,530 But I'm not going to go for this and limited lifetime storage of this information one I can't afford it too. 1667 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,480 I don't understand why you'd want to do that. 1668 01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,320 You have to understand the nuances of law enforcement and building a case. 1669 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,440 In a day where our hands are absolutely tight. 1670 01:26:02,650 --> 01:26:04,250 People are walking Scott free. 1671 01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,280 And I will speak to the state of New Mexico. 1672 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,480 Specifically in this state. 1673 01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,200 Because we are allowing it. 1674 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:11,480 Every single one of us are. 1675 01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,860 Why would I not take an opportunity to make sure somebody gets a little closure and I one of the biggest responsibilities we have 1676 01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:21,440 is becoming the voice of someone who has lost theirs. 1677 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:22,960 This is just another tool. 1678 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,080 But again, I gotta wait. 1679 01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:27,120 Legal. Constitutional. 1680 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,120 Benefit. Umm. 1681 01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,560 This disadvantage, I got to weigh all these things. 1682 01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,120 Don't think I'm taking it lightly. 1683 01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:35,610 I don't have the answer to everybody's questions. 1684 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,160 That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on this. We're going to find out until I'm comfortable with it. 1685 01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,330 And you are comfortable with it and know that you can trust me. 1686 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,800 Then we're not going to do it. 1687 01:26:45,970 --> 01:26:46,810 Do you have anything else? 1688 01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:51,470 Have you looked at the security of our network where this data will be stored? 1689 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,800 You know, there again, that's a great point. 1690 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,480 That's a great point because right now. 1691 01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:58,650 We are limited to what? 1692 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,000 Is available to us in terms of software, you know. 1693 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:02,800 Our RMS. 1694 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,280 I know this. My predecessor, Sheriff Shepherd, was. 1695 01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,120 Hesitant. He never wanted to. 1696 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:14,090 Set up a station with a computer at Copper Ridge or at the Hondo Valley Senior Center. 1697 01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:19,240 Where the deputies could just go in there and sit down and do their reports and I'll have to drive all the way 100 miles to Cures. 1698 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,480 He was fearful of a breach in the firewall. He was fearful. 1699 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,720 That that records management system. 1700 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,240 Could be compromised and hacked. 1701 01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,480 So all you can do is put in the best safeguard you can. 1702 01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,880 These flock cameras and what these things are picking up in terms of threats. 1703 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,040 To you as an individual. 1704 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,960 It's negligible compared to the data that we're gathering from you. Anyways, by law, we have to. 1705 01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:43,690 We have to. 1706 01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,320 We have to gather your information. 1707 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,045 Your date of birth, your Social Security number, things that can be used to victimize you personally and drain your bank accounts. 1708 01:27:50,045 --> 01:27:53,250 We're required to do that. 1709 01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,120 Because we agreed that that's what was best. 1710 01:27:57,390 --> 01:28:01,330 So the best we can do is just protect and put in the safeguards and the firewalls. 1711 01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:02,920 But I got to tell you that. 1712 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,160 Your license plate, as it looks that everybody else in the world can see. 1713 01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:11,010 In comparison to the information we must gather and store. 1714 01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,120 Some of this information, your date of birth, you call me to your house and it's serious enough it's going to be there for. 1715 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,200 And what is it? Perpetuity. 1716 01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:19,690 Yeah, it's just always going to be there. 1717 01:28:20,590 --> 01:28:24,650 Can't get rid of it, so homicide investigation, Oh my God, never ever goes away. 1718 01:28:25,670 --> 01:28:27,690 So the best we can do is bring to you. 1719 01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:30,130 The best I can do is bring to you. 1720 01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:31,240 The information. 1721 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:38,920 That I have, and I've asked you to do what your job is, which is to provide me everything I need to do my job. 1722 01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:40,120 That's your job. 1723 01:28:42,250 --> 01:28:43,890 And be critical of that. 1724 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:45,280 Ask the questions. 1725 01:28:46,420 --> 01:28:49,580 And be critical of that, by all means. These people deserve it. 1726 01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:55,210 I just have serious concern. I recently had a personal issue where I ippered the county. 1727 01:28:55,480 --> 01:29:00,250 And I was going to provide a flash drive that is county property. 1728 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:05,960 To put the material on and the county told me no they couldn't because the safety concerns with the. 1729 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:12,080 Network and so I asked for the privacy policy for security reasons. 1730 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:18,720 That governs that and I've yet to receive a policy, so I'm a little concerned with this amount of data and the safety. 1731 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,090 Of our network and infrastructure being protected because. 1732 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,720 To my understanding. 1733 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:24,880 Policy. Umm. 1734 01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:29,340 They're real. Trust me. We're not going to do any of this without a pause. There's but we have policy for everything in the world. 1735 01:29:29,340 --> 01:29:33,720 We have policy for everything, which is a guideline, right? It's not cut in stone. 1736 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:38,200 But it's a it's a guideline for the deputies in the field on how to act, how to approach things. 1737 01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,480 What you can and can't do, it's a guideline for that. 1738 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,425 But in terms of you bringing in a thumb drive and putting it in one of my computers, I'm going to allow that either. I don't know. 1739 01:29:43,425 --> 01:29:46,330 You ain't doing that. 1740 01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,280 I'm not going to have you put a bug in my. 1741 01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,200 I'm just saying there's no policy not doing that. 1742 01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,760 Well, you come. I'm hoping it didn't come from my office because I'll take care of that. 1743 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,080 But at the same time, if you want to bring your own hard drive in and download them from us, we're not doing that. 1744 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:05,320 Here's a new one with it. 1745 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:06,440 Here you go, I'll pay for it. 1746 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:11,920 Here's your brand spanking new one. I'm not compromising my system and your dates of birth and your Social Security numbers 1747 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:17,240 because somebody wants to bring in a hard drive. Yeah, that that that I think that was the answer to your query. 1748 01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:18,490 Do you have anything else? 1749 01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:21,650 Yeah, sure, I have a whole. 1750 01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:25,680 Statement I'd like for the record because there is no policy. 1751 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,680 There will be. 1752 01:30:27,490 --> 01:30:29,930 Right, it's implemented. It is not implemented. 1753 01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,200 Please understand that we are not using license plate readers. 1754 01:30:33,930 --> 01:30:35,490 We are not using flop cameras. 1755 01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,700 I think we don't have, I think we can bring this up on another agenda and we can actually talk about the policy for for these 1756 01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:45,680 readers. We're getting off top. It's going to go to here first. 1757 01:30:46,460 --> 01:30:47,090 Right here. 1758 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,720 This is where it's going first. 1759 01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:54,240 I don't care what Axon says. I don't care what Flock says. It's coming right here. First county and council. 1760 01:30:55,290 --> 01:30:57,570 That's who's going to review. We can put that on the agenda. 1761 01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,040 That's where my concern lies though, because we have approved stuff. 1762 01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:02,720 Pending review by. 1763 01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:05,850 Council and it never came back to an open session. 1764 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:07,880 I ain't doing it with this. 1765 01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,970 That's not my operation. Please keep your remarks to questions. 1766 01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,720 The editorial comments are subject to disagreement. 1767 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:16,760 And also. 1768 01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,810 Other interpretations. We're going to keep this meeting. 1769 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,960 On topic, not personal. 1770 01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,920 Do you have any other questions for the sheriff? 1771 01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,440 How long is your statement? 1772 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:37,640 It shouldn't matter. If you'd like to limit my First Amendment right too, I guess I'd be glad to go ahead. Go ahead and. 1773 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,200 And give your statement. 1774 01:31:40,150 --> 01:31:41,430 I would just like. 1775 01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,120 The constituents that we serve in our local. 1776 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:51,800 Neighbors in our county to understand that I support giving our deputies the tools they need to keep themselves. 1777 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,800 And the public safe, but placing these automatic license plate readers. 1778 01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,240 On every patrol vehicle crosses the line I'm not prepared to cross. 1779 01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,520 These systems do not only scan. 1780 01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:03,640 Vehicles. Umm. 1781 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,440 That are suspected of crimes. 1782 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,850 They collect locations and travel patterns of ordinary citizens. 1783 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,650 Who have done nothing wrong for 120 days. 1784 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:13,440 But assumably. 1785 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,840 If there's a policy that's put in place. 1786 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,480 That information. 1787 01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,290 Can be searched and shared with outside agencies. 1788 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,160 Before we expand. 1789 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:28,240 Surveillance county wide. We need clear evidence that it's necessary and that there are strict limits on data retention. 1790 01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,840 Independent oversight. 1791 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,080 Public transparency and protection against misuse. 1792 01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:38,200 We need to understand what the liability is on the county because settlements. 1793 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,720 Come at the cost of taxpayer dollars. 1794 01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,520 Public safety matters, but so does privacy. 1795 01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,680 Due process and limited government. 1796 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,010 Technology should serve our citizens, not quietly track them. 1797 01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:51,680 We need to use safeguards. 1798 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,050 That will be established and presented before. 1799 01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,400 This is put into place. 1800 01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,160 I cannot support. 1801 01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:00,160 Automated. Umm. 1802 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:06,080 Made a license plate readers on every deputy vehicle without a sound policy to protect our citizens. 1803 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,240 Thank you. 1804 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:11,600 Commissioner Prather. 1805 01:33:16,190 --> 01:33:17,710 Those are the iteration of what I said. 1806 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:18,600 So thank you. 1807 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,760 So I'll be very brief. 1808 01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,320 The Constitution is sacrosanct. 1809 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:26,320 To all of us. 1810 01:33:28,090 --> 01:33:29,050 If you notice. 1811 01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,920 The sheriff indicated that all the counties around us have. 1812 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,120 This capability and are using it. 1813 01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:37,610 I'm very concerned about that. 1814 01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:38,920 Remember COVID? 1815 01:33:40,190 --> 01:33:42,050 Remember all the restrictions we had? 1816 01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,800 Wonder if this kind of system could be used. 1817 01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:47,760 To control us even further. 1818 01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:50,410 I would say that. 1819 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,120 I would say that it's quite possible and maybe even probable. 1820 01:33:56,740 --> 01:33:58,330 The solution to this? 1821 01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,000 Is is awareness? 1822 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:01,000 On our part. 1823 01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:02,960 But it's also. I'll get back to. 1824 01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:03,840 I believe. 1825 01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,040 Voting for the right people. Educating yourself. Who's running? 1826 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:09,760 What they believe in. 1827 01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:11,250 What's their past? 1828 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,680 And what what their performance? 1829 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,280 Has been as as you observe it. 1830 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,200 Vote for the right people. 1831 01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:20,480 The state has been under. 1832 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:21,880 One party control. 1833 01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,210 Well, I don't know. Forever. 1834 01:34:26,660 --> 01:34:30,260 And those that are in there have not necessarily served. 1835 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:31,240 All of us. 1836 01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:32,800 As well as we'd like. 1837 01:34:33,950 --> 01:34:35,590 Now it's not just a party thing. 1838 01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:37,760 But it could be. 1839 01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:40,130 Think about making a change. 1840 01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:41,600 That's my comment. 1841 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,810 We're going to take a recess for 5 minutes. 1842 01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:49,720 Read stretch violets bio breaks I apologize in the long session so far we're. 1843 01:34:52,940 --> 01:34:53,820 So the next. 1844 01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:58,840 The next subject is going to be reports from external agencies, boards and committees. 1845 01:34:59,630 --> 01:35:02,910 We'd like to start off with the Lincoln County Detention Center. 1846 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:05,640 Castleton, please. 1847 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,000 Good morning. 1848 01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,960 Ross Castleton, Warden, Lincoln County Detention Center. 1849 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,560 So I have for you today. 1850 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:25,840 A quarterly report. 1851 01:35:31,230 --> 01:35:32,770 Chairman. Fisher, Commissioners. 1852 01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:34,240 Pleasure to. 1853 01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:35,760 To present to you today. 1854 01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,600 We've had an average bed count of 63 detainees. 1855 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,680 We average about 110. 1856 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:45,720 Intakes per month. 1857 01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:47,360 And. 1858 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,440 One of the challenges that we face are is our staffing. 1859 01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,760 We have seven officer vacancies. 1860 01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:58,720 We have 3 supervisory vacancies. 1861 01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:00,040 And. 1862 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,640 Our RISE programs. 1863 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:05,680 Fully staffed. 1864 01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,040 Currently, our medical staffing is fully staffed. 1865 01:36:10,250 --> 01:36:13,490 We've been recruiting by we have billboards. 1866 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,800 That we've purchased. 1867 01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,360 We have radio ads. We have are indeed spots. 1868 01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:21,920 And we advertise on our. 1869 01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:23,680 On the county. 1870 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:25,640 Website as well. 1871 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,120 I've made two offers. 1872 01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:30,720 For officers. 1873 01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:33,120 Onboarding. Uh. 1874 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:34,320 And hopefully those. 1875 01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:35,800 Come to fruition. 1876 01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:36,520 Again. 1877 01:36:37,480 --> 01:36:39,040 It's, you know, I, I do. 1878 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,080 Twice a week I do interviews and. 1879 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,600 Sometimes I have upwards of. 1880 01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:45,280 5. 1881 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:47,000 Candidates. Umm. 1882 01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:48,840 If I get one to show up. 1883 01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:49,960 I'm excited. Umm. 1884 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,040 Typically they're all no shows. 1885 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,760 But it's just kind of the way things are going right now. 1886 01:36:58,140 --> 01:36:58,980 Since my last. 1887 01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,960 Report we've. 1888 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:09,320 Take in Professional Solutions Group has taken the initiative to have outside agencies come in. 1889 01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,800 And do some audits and reviews. 1890 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,250 I shared with you Overland Solutions. 1891 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:20,080 It's a survey, they come in and they look at overall risk. 1892 01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,480 Of they look at our risk control. 1893 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:32,000 Facility conditions, electrical rooms, fire extinguishers, egress, all of those types of things they're associated with. 1894 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:33,520 Insurance. 1895 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,400 That report was very favorable. 1896 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:40,920 Which again I shared with you. 1897 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:45,240 We also contacted Grant County. 1898 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,080 And requested that they come and do a security audit for us. 1899 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:53,960 We thought that an outside. 1900 01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,960 Third party agency would be a good way to do that. 1901 01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,640 Grant County is very similar in. 1902 01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,680 Their facility is very similar in size. 1903 01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,400 Number of beds, staffing, et cetera. 1904 01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:11,840 They came in and did. 1905 01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,880 Warden at a solar. 1906 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:16,440 Came he's. 1907 01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,280 He's actually on the New Mexico. 1908 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,720 Jail standards. 1909 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:25,360 Board and does the accreditation audits. 1910 01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,320 So we thought he would be a good fit. 1911 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,120 They came and spent two days. This was just last week. 1912 01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,320 And so we're waiting for the results of that audit. 1913 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,320 As soon as we get those results, I'll share that with you. 1914 01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,200 They always do an out brief. 1915 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:41,520 When they leave. 1916 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,520 They had very positive things to say. 1917 01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:46,360 We anticipate that. 1918 01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:47,640 Being positive. 1919 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,080 We had some very good discussion about the challenges. 1920 01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,240 That we face they have similar. 1921 01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:58,920 Staffing issues. 1922 01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,760 And have very difficult time hiring staff. 1923 01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:04,480 Currently. 1924 01:39:06,740 --> 01:39:07,660 We also had a. 1925 01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,280 Pharmacy inspection, it seemed like. 1926 01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:11,440 Came all at once. 1927 01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,440 And so our pharmacy inspection. 1928 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:18,640 Turned out very well, only a couple of minor issues. 1929 01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:21,280 One was the temperature reading. 1930 01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,800 On a refrigerator and then in a medical. 1931 01:39:26,380 --> 01:39:27,850 Medication storage. 1932 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,160 Area. So we're addressing that. 1933 01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,000 And then we also had. 1934 01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:35,240 The county had an OSHA. 1935 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,120 Audits and I think every building in the county was audited and. 1936 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,480 They came through. 1937 01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,720 And audited Lincoln County Detention Center. 1938 01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:46,360 And we had a minor. 1939 01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,640 Item that we needed to address, and we're addressing that. 1940 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,200 Let's go in the last six weeks. 1941 01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:58,400 We've completed. 1942 01:39:59,330 --> 01:40:02,810 Targeted security improvements on our recreation cages. 1943 01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,800 For 2/2 of the recreation cages, we. 1944 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,040 Beefed up the security in those areas. 1945 01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:16,520 We've expanded for Echo Unit. We've expanded our camera coverage. 1946 01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,280 And designated areas for that unit. 1947 01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:24,640 There's more camera coverage coverage there for the officer to. 1948 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,000 Immediately be watching some areas. 1949 01:40:28,060 --> 01:40:29,940 We started a comprehensive. 1950 01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,760 Revision of our tool control program. 1951 01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:34,800 Including our. 1952 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,880 Classification and storage of. 1953 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:38,720 Of certain tools and. 1954 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,320 Implemented stricter. 1955 01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,480 Checkout procedures for those. 1956 01:40:45,310 --> 01:40:49,330 And then we continue to use independent reviews to evaluate our operation. 1957 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:50,920 We're going to guide our. 1958 01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:53,840 Improvements. 1959 01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:56,480 The last time. 1960 01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:58,160 That we've talked. 1961 01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,520 There was a request that I present some numbers. 1962 01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:03,760 Nationally. Uh. 1963 01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,440 The worst statistics and so. 1964 01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,920 I gathered from the Bureau of Justice. 1965 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,240 Statistics. 1966 01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:14,480 Local gels. 1967 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,970 And this is these are national numbers. 1968 01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:22,400 Have an average daily population of 664,800. 1969 01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:23,800 Detainees, yeah. 1970 01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,040 During the months ending in June. 1971 01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:28,810 Of 2023. 1972 01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:30,200 And when you look for. 1973 01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,440 Statistics, I'm sure you all know. 1974 01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,850 You have to go back a couple of years because. 1975 01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:37,960 They're very slow in coming forward. 1976 01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,400 The reason why is there's. 1977 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:46,760 Litigation and there's processes that have to take place so that those stats fall in the right numbers. 1978 01:41:46,990 --> 01:41:47,630 And so. 1979 01:41:47,950 --> 01:41:51,960 Really. I was surprised I was able to get numbers from 2023. 1980 01:41:53,710 --> 01:41:55,550 FBI so in the last. 1981 01:41:55,630 --> 01:41:57,190 In that last year. 1982 01:41:57,630 --> 01:41:59,750 It's estimated that there were. 1983 01:42:00,190 --> 01:42:02,950 4296 Allegations of. 1984 01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:05,710 Staff on detainee sexual. 1985 01:42:06,190 --> 01:42:07,910 Misconduct or harassment. 1986 01:42:08,630 --> 01:42:12,830 Approximately 143 of those were substantiated. 1987 01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:16,070 After investigation and went to litigation. 1988 01:42:19,170 --> 01:42:20,560 In that last year. 1989 01:42:20,670 --> 01:42:23,390 Local jails reported 1200. 1990 01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:25,270 Deaths in custody. 1991 01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:29,920 Of all of those causes, 355. 1992 01:42:30,350 --> 01:42:32,070 Deaths were classified as. 1993 01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:33,870 Completed suicides. 1994 01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:36,430 So and. 1995 01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:38,790 The total employment. 1996 01:42:39,710 --> 01:42:40,870 In local jails. 1997 01:42:42,190 --> 01:42:44,590 I've got a bunch of numbers there, but essentially. 1998 01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,680 Jails nationwide. 1999 01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:51,510 Our short 72,700 officers. 2000 01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:54,030 That's how many vacancies there are and. 2001 01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:55,830 Nationwide so. 2002 01:42:56,150 --> 01:42:58,190 Is really something that's. 2003 01:42:59,190 --> 01:43:01,390 You know, we we're feeling the pain, but I think. 2004 01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:05,070 They're filling the pain everywhere. This first staff shortages. 2005 01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:07,270 And those types of things so. 2006 01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:09,630 That's all the information that I had and I. 2007 01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:11,830 Happy to answer any questions. 2008 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:13,600 Commissioners. 2009 01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:23,640 I have a question. Yes, ma'am. The last time we had spoke about maybe increasing your technology capacity. Have you? 2010 01:43:24,030 --> 01:43:27,310 Identified anything that would help your staff. 2011 01:43:28,420 --> 01:43:30,460 Utilizing technology in the jail. 2012 01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:34,990 Yes, it was. It was mentioned possibly looking at. 2013 01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:37,710 To view cameras. 2014 01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:39,670 That technology does exist. 2015 01:43:40,510 --> 01:43:42,230 It's incredibly expensive. 2016 01:43:43,230 --> 01:43:44,150 We're talking. 2017 01:43:44,230 --> 01:43:45,910 Hundreds of thousands of dollars. 2018 01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:48,390 I'm happy to. 2019 01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:51,070 To put something together and present to you. 2020 01:43:52,270 --> 01:43:55,470 Specifics on on what the numbers are and what that. 2021 01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:57,310 Would possibly cost. 2022 01:43:58,990 --> 01:44:03,690 They're able to utilize either new cameras or they can utilize existing cameras if they're sophisticated enough. We do have quite 2023 01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:08,390 a few newer cameras. 2024 01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:09,790 That may be able to. 2025 01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:11,310 Tied again to that. 2026 01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:14,310 But I'm happy to get those numbers. 2027 01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:15,350 For you. 2028 01:44:16,420 --> 01:44:18,800 I think more importantly would be the capabilities. 2029 01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:20,600 If we could. 2030 01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:26,050 Something like that, what they would enhance public safety and even the safety of the inmates. 2031 01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:27,470 Yes, the important. 2032 01:44:28,030 --> 01:44:28,870 Happy to do that. 2033 01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:33,220 Anything else? Commission? 2034 01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:36,070 Thank you, Sir. 2035 01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:37,150 All right. Thank you. 2036 01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:40,830 Lincoln County. 2037 01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:41,670 Medical Center. 2038 01:44:45,230 --> 01:44:49,690 A long time since you've been here, it seems like the chairman, Fisher County Commissioners taught Overheugh Hospital chief 2039 01:44:49,690 --> 01:44:54,150 executive, Lincoln County Medical Center. Thank. Thank you for having me today. 2040 01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:58,390 Glad to be here and visit with you and just update you on the hospital. 2041 01:44:59,110 --> 01:45:03,410 First off, we'll start off with patient satisfaction for the hospital currently is sitting in the top 30% of all hospitals 2042 01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:07,710 nationwide on patient satisfaction. That will be our inpatient. 2043 01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:09,270 Called H Caps. 2044 01:45:09,630 --> 01:45:13,510 That's the Medicare terminology is H caps and stuff so. 2045 01:45:14,150 --> 01:45:19,435 And the ER, we're sending 25% nationwide on patient satisfaction in the emergency room. That is still, I believe, I know it's the 2046 01:45:19,435 --> 01:45:24,720 highest in the Presbyterian system. I believe it's highest in the state. 2047 01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:27,390 And it continues to be so from that stand. 2048 01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:36,230 We're sitting at our surveys, still are sitting out. Would you recommend your provider at 97.4%? 2049 01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:43,450 And do you have adequate access to your provider and that's 96.8. We're very sensitive to that one. I'm watching that very 2050 01:45:43,450 --> 01:45:50,510 closely. I do think we've got some some challenges around primary care access in the community. So currently we have open. 2051 01:45:50,910 --> 01:45:57,030 Two APC's which it would be a nurse practitioner, physician assistant, we also have a family medicine position position and a 2052 01:45:57,030 --> 01:46:03,150 pediatrician position open trying to recruit for. So, so we're looking at that very closely. 2053 01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:07,870 Other recruitment efforts we're doing this is we're in the process of recruiting an OBGYN. I think that's going to be a positive. 2054 01:46:07,870 --> 01:46:12,150 I'm hoping I can tell you. 2055 01:46:12,270 --> 01:46:16,910 Maybe even by the end of next week that we've signed an OBGYN so. 2056 01:46:17,350 --> 01:46:19,190 So very excited about that so. 2057 01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:26,670 Other things going on, we did start in July doing our in-house sleep study, so we built a. 2058 01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:31,030 Converted in the area and so that we can do in-house sleep studies, so. 2059 01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:38,310 Previously patients, the wait times have been pretty astronomic for those around the area and stuff up to three months before 2060 01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:44,790 people ordered a sleep study. So we're doing those at the facility now and we can do that for the community as well. 2061 01:46:45,390 --> 01:46:55,230 Last night we hosted A substance abuse symposium. We had individuals. The warden was there. Renew Health was there. We we had. 2062 01:46:55,870 --> 01:47:00,050 The individuals from Mescalero there at the out at the end of Mount Gods and they had a really good discussion, robust discussion 2063 01:47:00,050 --> 01:47:04,230 around substance abuse challenges and. 2064 01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:08,670 As well and so LCMC hosted that for the community last night so. 2065 01:47:10,710 --> 01:47:16,483 Successful recruitment, that's on board. I do want to confirm that Doctor Mary Nord Cook is now practicing and open. She is a 2066 01:47:16,483 --> 01:47:22,256 child psychiatrist. She's located at the physician office building at the hospital. She is also seeing adults too. So she is 2067 01:47:22,256 --> 01:47:28,029 double boarded in adult and in child psychiatry. So she's seen both. 2068 01:47:28,190 --> 01:47:32,550 But we're actively recruiting for an adult psychiatrist to be alongside. 2069 01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,240 So hopefully we'll see some movement on that. 2070 01:47:36,830 --> 01:47:41,330 Doctor Seth Macbeth is currently practicing that. He is a urologist. He's he's one of our military physicians. So we want to get 2071 01:47:41,330 --> 01:47:45,830 him one day. A really. 2072 01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:46,910 2 days. 2073 01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:47,990 A month. 2074 01:47:48,270 --> 01:47:52,850 But we do have some urology availability at the facility right now. Doctor Mecca, who is going to be retiring here at the end of 2075 01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:57,430 the year. 2076 01:47:57,750 --> 01:48:01,110 Macbeth and that goes in the transition between the two and so. 2077 01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:08,510 On a turnover, turnover for the facility, employee turnover sits at 11 percent, our targets to be below 15%. So I'm very pleased 2078 01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:13,590 with that. We're not seeing very high turnover at the facility right now. 2079 01:48:13,950 --> 01:48:18,830 We're waiting on our provider engagement, employee engagement. So I don't have anything to put on those survey. The employee 2080 01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:23,710 engagements going on now and the provider won't be until October, I believe. 2081 01:48:24,510 --> 01:48:25,550 From that standpoint. 2082 01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:32,210 Financially, facilities doing pretty well. We're right at budget overall our target. I will tell you I've seen a little bit of 2083 01:48:32,210 --> 01:48:38,510 erosion in some of the volumes or at least just a little bit unsteadiness. I think it's a better way of saying it. 2084 01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:44,233 However, we've been fortunate. We are on target financially from what we predicted for the budget to be for the facility. The 2085 01:48:44,233 --> 01:48:49,716 women's clinic is open. We did a ribbon cutting last month on that. The greeters came out and did ribbon cutting on the women's 2086 01:48:49,716 --> 01:48:55,199 clinic. And so Doctor Rath and Dr. Combs are now in that new clinic space. 2087 01:48:56,230 --> 01:48:59,910 We did complete construction on a maintenance shed on. 2088 01:48:59,990 --> 01:49:03,130 The lot that this plots owned by Presbyterian, not by the county and stuff, it's a lot behind the physician office building and 2089 01:49:03,130 --> 01:49:06,270 so. 2090 01:49:06,710 --> 01:49:11,090 Both that will impact is if you're up at the hospital in the dock area, there's several temporary kind of storage sheds there. 2091 01:49:11,090 --> 01:49:15,470 We're going to be removing those before too much longer. 2092 01:49:16,270 --> 01:49:18,710 And I'll be opened up from that standpoint. 2093 01:49:19,710 --> 01:49:25,230 And the last thing, which is kind of big news, I, my director of nurses, Chief Nurse Wendy, put together a grant request to the 2094 01:49:25,230 --> 01:49:30,750 New Mexico Healthcare Delivery Fund. 2095 01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:37,630 To offset the losses that we see with obstetrical care, I think I've told this body before, we typically lose about $9000 every 2096 01:49:37,630 --> 01:49:43,270 time we deliver a baby at the hospital. That's about what it costs us versus what we get reimbursed. 2097 01:49:43,670 --> 01:49:48,995 So we submitted a grant to the state, it's called a stability fund is what they did with this, this grant program and stuff. And 2098 01:49:48,995 --> 01:49:54,320 and so the states going to fund us $2.8 million over the next three years. 2099 01:49:54,430 --> 01:49:59,390 To offset those obstetrical losses that we see at the facility. So very excited about that. We're working on the budget. 2100 01:49:59,750 --> 01:50:03,470 That we have sent to the state yet and but we do expect to start seeing those states fund. 2101 01:50:03,670 --> 01:50:06,915 You know, come in to offset that and I think that's going to be part of our reason that we can recruit this additional OB care 2102 01:50:06,915 --> 01:50:10,160 force as well. 2103 01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:13,190 So I think that's what I've got for you all. 2104 01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:15,760 Commissioners. 2105 01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:21,190 Another question, can you elaborate on the $9000 lost? 2106 01:50:21,390 --> 01:50:26,215 For the delivery of a baby is out of Medicaid cap. Well you are so you Medicaid pays a a fixed amount that they will for a certain 2107 01:50:26,215 --> 01:50:31,040 period of time. 2108 01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:35,030 And of course, the majority of our babies are Medicaid. I'd say probably, you know. 2109 01:50:35,230 --> 01:50:35,870 At least. 2110 01:50:35,950 --> 01:50:41,870 7075% of the deliveries at the facility are Medicaid to Medicaid and others and children so. 2111 01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:45,160 So there is a limit to what Medicaid reimburses us. 2112 01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:50,890 Along with that though, you know things get, there's a lot of costs that go in that that you don't necessarily are directly 2113 01:50:50,890 --> 01:50:55,070 related to the delivery of the baby. 2114 01:50:55,350 --> 01:51:01,710 We have to pay for anesthesia to be on call 24 hours a day. We have to pay for the obstetricians to be on call. We have. 2115 01:51:01,790 --> 01:51:07,630 So you've got all these additional fixed costs that based on whatever you deliver you see that and so. 2116 01:51:07,870 --> 01:51:11,850 The less deliveries you have, which I might add, we're actually seeing about a 20 to 25% increase in deliveries at the facility 2117 01:51:11,850 --> 01:51:15,830 over what we've seen and so. 2118 01:51:16,590 --> 01:51:21,850 What Doctor Rapp told me just last week was we typically have about 100 pregnancies on the list of the, you know, upcoming 2119 01:51:21,850 --> 01:51:27,110 deliveries that we're anticipating. We're up to almost 130 right now. 2120 01:51:27,470 --> 01:51:32,890 And so we're not sure why that is and, but but anyway, there's a lot of babies being delivered And so if you go up to be on any 2121 01:51:32,890 --> 01:51:38,310 given day, you're going to see it full. 2122 01:51:38,750 --> 01:51:39,670 Right now so. 2123 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:43,800 Anyway, I love them comment on any of that so so but. 2124 01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:50,590 The but yes, so we've been really busy on that. But so that 9000 is taking the entire fixed cost that we have relative to being 2125 01:51:50,590 --> 01:51:57,030 prepared to deliver a baby because the OR crew has to be on call like I said too. So all those things. 2126 01:51:57,230 --> 01:52:01,990 Our costs that we might, we wouldn't occur if we didn't do we didn't do obstetrics at the facility. 2127 01:52:02,590 --> 01:52:06,710 I will share with you though, when we did this analysis for Socorro. 2128 01:52:07,070 --> 01:52:13,430 So so coral does not deliver the same amount babies we do. Their cost per baby is about $15,000 that they use. 2129 01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:16,030 So it's not much more as you see the. 2130 01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:18,270 The lower volumes, you see those dollars. 2131 01:52:21,670 --> 01:52:21,750 So. 2132 01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:25,310 I have one last question. On your campus, do you have any? 2133 01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:30,280 Real estate available for development of like. 2134 01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:32,270 Another type of clinic. 2135 01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:32,790 Yes. 2136 01:52:33,230 --> 01:52:37,455 So when we purchased the Nob Hill property, we've got the whole kind of the southwest end of that property is completely available 2137 01:52:37,455 --> 01:52:41,680 for development. 2138 01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:43,110 And so. 2139 01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:46,770 We're watching to kind of decide, you know, what we want to do if we would. That's the reason why we bought that is for future 2140 01:52:46,770 --> 01:52:49,830 development, so. 2141 01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:53,510 Yeah. Is that it, Commission? 2142 01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:58,320 Thank you, Sir. We look forward to seeing you again very soon, OK. 2143 01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:59,030 Thank you. 2144 01:53:03,550 --> 01:53:06,830 MSU Extension office, I don't think there's anybody here, Mr. Chairman. We reached out to him, but we do not have anyone in 2145 01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:10,110 attendance today from MSU. 2146 01:53:11,070 --> 01:53:14,990 But we do have upper Honda soil and water conservation. 2147 01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:22,550 Good morning, Commissioners Tony Griffin, Upper Hondo Soil and water. 2148 01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:25,390 I provided your report. 2149 01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:28,430 For the year end, honor noxious weed treatment. 2150 01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:32,350 So from July of. 2151 01:53:32,830 --> 01:53:33,910 25 to. 2152 01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:36,310 Through June 30th of 26. 2153 01:53:37,870 --> 01:53:39,470 The areas that were treated. 2154 01:53:39,870 --> 01:53:41,750 We're Honda Senior Center. 2155 01:53:42,590 --> 01:53:44,550 Burlington County fire stations. 2156 01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:47,350 Rita so Parks and Recreation areas. 2157 01:53:48,750 --> 01:53:49,830 Grindstone. 2158 01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:55,240 Many places are Hwy. 4837 two 20. 2159 01:53:55,590 --> 01:53:57,070 Lincoln County Fairgrounds. 2160 01:53:57,550 --> 01:53:58,990 Benito Lake Rd. 2161 01:53:59,110 --> 01:53:59,750 And, umm. 2162 01:54:00,430 --> 01:54:05,990 Nogal Canyon Rd. Arrangements Camp Patos, White Oaks Highway, Anchor Rd. Bogle Road and Ranger Rd. 2163 01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:09,310 We've already treated. 2164 01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:11,030 Two other places. 2165 01:54:11,230 --> 01:54:13,190 Since then this fiscal year. 2166 01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:17,590 Some of the places get treated twice, like the fire stations and the. 2167 01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:21,270 Hondo Senior Center likes to really grow the weeds. 2168 01:54:23,150 --> 01:54:24,840 And we've treated. 2169 01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:28,750 Ritoso Parks and Rec areas, 41 acres of that again this fiscal year and then the Lincoln County right away as we treated another 2170 01:54:28,750 --> 01:54:32,550 44 miles. 2171 01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:38,350 A couple of things that we have going on. 2172 01:54:39,790 --> 01:54:43,110 We have a grant that we applied for. It's through. 2173 01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:44,830 Land of Enchantment grants. 2174 01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:46,990 We applied for that. I believe in. 2175 01:54:47,230 --> 01:54:48,030 March. 2176 01:54:48,710 --> 01:54:52,310 We were granted that grant in July, so we've started the process. 2177 01:54:53,430 --> 01:55:01,630 That grant was for a noxious tree invasive tree project in El Valley Loop area in the Hondo Valley. 2178 01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:09,950 It's going to treat approximately 90 acres. It's a $250,000 grant. And so we've already. 2179 01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:17,520 Got the RFP secured. We started the letters. Those will be going out to certified mail to land owners in that area that qualify. 2180 01:55:17,830 --> 01:55:19,830 Basically just kind of getting rid of those. 2181 01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:24,870 Straws along the river there to help, maybe with their water table. 2182 01:55:25,710 --> 01:55:29,310 And get it cleaned up for them. So it's it's 100% paid for. 2183 01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:33,550 And it'll be that 90 acres. So there I believe there's about 30. 2184 01:55:34,230 --> 01:55:41,910 35 land owners that will qualify for that grant. So we're pretty excited about that. We hope to start the project in December. 2185 01:55:42,350 --> 01:55:47,410 How are we communicating with those land owners? We're going to send a certified letter first. We've kind of prepped some of the 2186 01:55:47,410 --> 01:55:52,470 land owners when we've seen during cost share visits and things like that. 2187 01:55:52,630 --> 01:55:57,030 Let him know it was kind of in the works, but you know, we didn't want to count our chickens before they hatched. 2188 01:55:57,230 --> 01:56:02,070 So a lot of them are waiting, they're ready. But I would say. 2189 01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:06,870 That's probably a close to 10 land owners maybe as all of that. So we have. 2190 01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:15,070 We're going to send out these certified letters and then hope we get response back. If not, we've got three members on our board. 2191 01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:21,750 That are that are part of the assay Kias so they can assist with that as well getting in touch with them and. 2192 01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:26,410 And then if we have to, we'll start seeing if we can get phone numbers and information like that. I'd like to talk to him in 2193 01:56:26,410 --> 01:56:30,350 person as well so they're well aware we're sending with the letter. 2194 01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:37,230 A map of the area and also kind of a fact sheet on just what these invasive trees can take from them so. 2195 01:56:37,630 --> 01:56:39,110 Kind of educate them a little bit. 2196 01:56:39,630 --> 01:56:41,640 So the other thing. 2197 01:56:41,790 --> 01:56:44,710 I wanted to bring to your attention is I know that there was. 2198 01:56:44,910 --> 01:56:45,510 You know, uh. 2199 01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:47,150 A meeting. 2200 01:56:47,970 --> 01:56:50,280 Concerning fencing off Benito Lake. 2201 01:56:50,630 --> 01:56:51,670 We do treat. 2202 01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:53,470 Alamogordo area. 2203 01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:54,750 With four weeds. 2204 01:56:55,070 --> 01:56:57,240 We had an agreement with them years ago. 2205 01:56:57,390 --> 01:57:00,775 It's kind of a standing agreement. We've tried to get in touch with them, but I guess things have changed hands and whatnot, so we 2206 01:57:00,775 --> 01:57:04,160 just continue to treat the area. 2207 01:57:04,350 --> 01:57:06,710 If we don't have funding from Lincoln County. 2208 01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:12,230 Then we use our own funding and we treat the area so that gets treated every year for Thistle and. 2209 01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:19,750 Diesel and the boys poison hemlock and things like that, so we do assist. 2210 01:57:20,510 --> 01:57:21,310 With that. 2211 01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:23,710 Area on their property. 2212 01:57:24,590 --> 01:57:29,950 For the value of, you know, people that come to Lincoln County, so we keep it under control, so. 2213 01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:31,760 Just wanted to bring that to your attention. 2214 01:57:31,950 --> 01:57:33,750 Appreciate that very much. Thank you. 2215 01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:35,430 I stand for. 2216 01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:36,710 Commissioner, Yeah. 2217 01:57:38,990 --> 01:57:42,690 Have a comment on the report you mentioned that we had received. There's nothing in the packet. Would you mind emailing that to 2218 01:57:42,690 --> 01:57:46,390 us? 2219 01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:46,950 You bet. 2220 01:57:48,710 --> 01:57:49,830 Thank you for all your work. 2221 01:57:50,150 --> 01:57:51,430 Yeah, yeah. 2222 01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:52,990 Thank you man. 2223 01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:56,110 South Central Mountain RC. 2224 01:57:58,950 --> 01:58:02,310 Good morning, Commissioners. 2225 01:58:02,590 --> 01:58:05,990 I appreciate I was unable to make it last time so. 2226 01:58:06,190 --> 01:58:07,630 Your packets had this last. 2227 01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:09,550 Look this way, you've got. 2228 01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:11,270 The report and point of view. 2229 01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:12,430 Well. 2230 01:58:14,730 --> 01:58:15,850 Thank you. Great deal. 2231 01:58:18,450 --> 01:58:20,800 It's been a bit busy. 2232 01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:27,910 We'll start with the community Wildfire protection plan. 2233 01:58:28,590 --> 01:58:30,040 This is a requirement. 2234 01:58:30,150 --> 01:58:33,030 For the state of New Mexico and is one of our integral. 2235 01:58:34,430 --> 01:58:38,430 Parts of applying for grant funding is our CWPP. 2236 01:58:40,270 --> 01:58:45,470 The requirement is that we update that every five years, so we are in the process of doing that. 2237 01:58:46,030 --> 01:58:52,670 We have an outside firm. Cadence LLC is working on that for us. We've had a lot of really good meetings. 2238 01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:56,510 With our Land Management agencies, with our emergency. 2239 01:58:57,190 --> 01:59:02,110 Personnel in preparing that. So we are now moving on to the. 2240 01:59:02,270 --> 01:59:03,310 Public input. 2241 01:59:03,390 --> 01:59:04,350 Side of things. 2242 01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:05,750 We have. 2243 01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:12,320 Three, and I know that Gabe has been working with Bethany on getting it onto the county website. 2244 01:59:12,430 --> 01:59:15,190 But three public meetings to make note of. 2245 01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:21,270 Because this is all of Lincoln County, our first meeting is going to be in Corona. 2246 01:59:21,590 --> 01:59:26,270 On October 24th, and that's going to be at 10 AM at the Corona High School. 2247 01:59:27,230 --> 01:59:32,030 Then we will have another meeting in Ruidoso and that is scheduled for November 7th. 2248 01:59:33,150 --> 01:59:38,390 And that is at 10 AM at the Convention Center and then in Capitan will be. 2249 01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:43,590 There in the afternoon, the same date, November 7th at 2:00 PM at the fairgrounds. 2250 01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:50,190 So we are trying to get as much input from all of the residents of Lincoln County as we are preparing this. 2251 01:59:50,630 --> 01:59:53,190 The goal is once we've had those. 2252 01:59:54,310 --> 01:59:55,350 Public meetings. 2253 01:59:55,750 --> 02:00:01,590 That Gabe will be in the process of drafting the entire Community Wildfire Protection plan. 2254 02:00:01,990 --> 02:00:06,960 And then we will start sending them out for review to this body to. 2255 02:00:07,110 --> 02:00:10,030 The Upper Hondo, all of our different agencies that. 2256 02:00:10,270 --> 02:00:17,055 That deal with Land Management and everybody will approve that and sign it off. Then it goes up to Santa Fe for approval by the 2257 02:00:17,055 --> 02:00:23,840 fire planning task force, the fire planning task force. So hopefully it'll be by the 1st. 2258 02:00:23,950 --> 02:00:27,070 Part of the spring of 27 that we will. 2259 02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:32,630 Have it finalized and ready to go up to them for approval from the state on getting that. 2260 02:00:33,070 --> 02:00:40,470 And the funding for for that plan came out of the Community Wildfire Defense grant that we wrote on that one. 2261 02:00:41,390 --> 02:00:48,070 We are continuing our outreach and education. We've actually hired a new social media person for that. 2262 02:00:48,510 --> 02:00:53,950 She is actually from Albuquerque, so she knows the area and she's very excited. We're just. 2263 02:00:54,390 --> 02:00:56,000 Onboarding her right now. 2264 02:00:56,150 --> 02:01:00,950 Getting her involved with doing some of the outreach we also have been working with. 2265 02:01:01,110 --> 02:01:04,350 Lincoln County's Office of Emergency Management. 2266 02:01:04,590 --> 02:01:08,150 Helping with the funds that we've received and being able to. 2267 02:01:08,670 --> 02:01:09,870 Print Materials. 2268 02:01:10,630 --> 02:01:17,230 Do materials for for when they go do the shows and that kind of stuff. All of the the things that they're doing there. 2269 02:01:17,950 --> 02:01:21,750 With our Community Wildfire Defense Grant, we had another grant. 2270 02:01:22,230 --> 02:01:24,790 That was specifically 4th inning. 2271 02:01:25,390 --> 02:01:30,880 We are probably about 75% through on that one. We are. 2272 02:01:31,190 --> 02:01:33,710 Doing work along Carrizo Canyon. 2273 02:01:33,790 --> 02:01:37,310 Because that is where with our southwest winds and that type of thing. 2274 02:01:37,710 --> 02:01:39,550 We've had some difficulties we had. 2275 02:01:39,670 --> 02:01:41,030 Two large properties. 2276 02:01:41,310 --> 02:01:44,390 And for the life of me I cannot get hold of those property over. 2277 02:01:44,590 --> 02:01:47,880 There's time. I'm going to give it one more effort over in that area. 2278 02:01:48,030 --> 02:01:52,370 And if not, we've identified some additional property owners that are more along Paradise Canyon area and so we'll continue to use 2279 02:01:52,370 --> 02:01:56,710 those funds. 2280 02:01:57,630 --> 02:02:02,030 The person who is in charge of the CWDG grant in the state. 2281 02:02:02,830 --> 02:02:05,950 Is really pleased with the progress that we've been making. 2282 02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:08,460 He has encouraged us to. 2283 02:02:09,260 --> 02:02:12,990 Apply again The next funding cycle will be coming up this fall. 2284 02:02:13,660 --> 02:02:17,620 Last time this project we are right at. 2285 02:02:17,820 --> 02:02:19,900 750,000. 2286 02:02:20,300 --> 02:02:27,700 He would really like us to go very big in a request and and do anywhere from 5 to 10 million on the request. 2287 02:02:28,500 --> 02:02:36,220 So we will be looking at different areas that we can do. The nice part about Lincoln County is we qualify for. 2288 02:02:36,300 --> 02:02:38,500 An exemption from any kind of match. 2289 02:02:38,620 --> 02:02:41,030 So it is 100% paid for. 2290 02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:43,140 So if we can. 2291 02:02:43,260 --> 02:02:46,820 Identify some areas and we're working with state forestry on that. 2292 02:02:47,220 --> 02:02:50,340 Trying to really look at how we can take. 2293 02:02:50,500 --> 02:02:52,420 The work we're doing on the buffer. 2294 02:02:52,620 --> 02:02:58,380 And integrate these additional funds and really leverage it and do some very large. 2295 02:02:58,860 --> 02:03:04,580 Land development as far as the thinning projects and that kind of thing, so. 2296 02:03:04,660 --> 02:03:06,980 And when you're talking to people you know who own. 2297 02:03:07,180 --> 02:03:10,580 Significant amounts of property, it's a big deal for them because it's. 2298 02:03:10,700 --> 02:03:16,260 Expensive on a per acre basis. So for us to be able to come in and offer to do that at no cost. 2299 02:03:16,620 --> 02:03:20,400 Is a great safety point for the county, but it also really helps them as far as the health of the property in the forest and that 2300 02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,180 type of thing. 2301 02:03:24,900 --> 02:03:27,500 The buffer thinning project we are. 2302 02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:30,670 Over 1200 acres on that. 2303 02:03:30,780 --> 02:03:38,140 We met yesterday and we are really right now we have just under out of that $5 million budget we have. 2304 02:03:38,220 --> 02:03:40,380 Just a little over 900,000 left. 2305 02:03:40,540 --> 02:03:41,910 To spend on that one. 2306 02:03:42,140 --> 02:03:47,500 So we are also then working on the fastest I've ever spent money on thinning. 2307 02:03:47,900 --> 02:03:50,340 And it's really great. I encourage you. 2308 02:03:50,540 --> 02:03:54,700 To be able to take a look at River Downs, to be able to see it from the road and see the impact of how much better it looks is 2309 02:03:54,700 --> 02:03:58,860 really nice. 2310 02:03:59,260 --> 02:04:02,140 We are in the process of trying to submit. 2311 02:04:02,380 --> 02:04:03,340 A Phase 2. 2312 02:04:03,780 --> 02:04:08,710 Application to New Mexico Forestry division for that so that we can continue. 2313 02:04:08,900 --> 02:04:11,540 That work and that positive impact. 2314 02:04:12,460 --> 02:04:14,780 For the post South Fork fire EWP. 2315 02:04:15,380 --> 02:04:17,700 The Egypt he regular umm. 2316 02:04:17,780 --> 02:04:21,340 We still do have some funds left in that one, but we are doing. 2317 02:04:21,420 --> 02:04:25,820 Waiting on engineering. We're doing a lot of different projects with that, but it is. 2318 02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:28,820 Winding down out of that much. 2319 02:04:29,340 --> 02:04:34,150 The buyout we have currently over 360 property owners. 2320 02:04:35,180 --> 02:04:39,140 I am really thrilled to say that yes, we have closed on our first house. 2321 02:04:39,900 --> 02:04:43,020 We have offers in the pipeline for people. 2322 02:04:44,020 --> 02:04:45,060 It is, of course. 2323 02:04:45,340 --> 02:04:49,380 Rumor do so we get a whole lot of phone calls from people going. 2324 02:04:50,220 --> 02:04:51,380 We've heard you're out of money. 2325 02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:52,900 Like, no, we're not. 2326 02:04:53,180 --> 02:04:54,260 So we have. 2327 02:04:54,340 --> 02:04:58,420 Really been been doing a lot of interaction with our property owners and. 2328 02:04:58,660 --> 02:04:59,780 Advising them. 2329 02:04:59,900 --> 02:05:02,190 That things are moving very, very well. 2330 02:05:02,460 --> 02:05:03,300 It is umm. 2331 02:05:04,060 --> 02:05:06,620 A great program, and it is. 2332 02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:09,540 You know, for the speed of government, this is lightning. 2333 02:05:09,660 --> 02:05:13,780 To be able to go from signing things in March and closing on the House in August. 2334 02:05:14,220 --> 02:05:15,580 Is pretty phenomenal. 2335 02:05:15,660 --> 02:05:19,680 To be able to do a property owner doesn't necessarily realize that, but looking at it from the outside in, it looks really, really 2336 02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:23,700 good to be able to do that. 2337 02:05:24,020 --> 02:05:28,860 And then lastly, our Smokey Bear Historic Park we did receive funding from. 2338 02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:36,230 The state of New Mexico, we are in the process of doing a whole new design of their back area. 2339 02:05:36,580 --> 02:05:39,100 And so that is almost completed. 2340 02:05:39,500 --> 02:05:47,460 It's really taken a lot into account for being able to do handicap access. New interpretation. 2341 02:05:47,700 --> 02:05:49,540 All of those types of things. 2342 02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:55,140 Our next step with them once the design is done and we have contractor ready documents. 2343 02:05:55,380 --> 02:06:00,380 That will then go look for funding to actually implement that and be able to build. 2344 02:06:00,460 --> 02:06:03,340 The new design back there for the smokes and very historic. 2345 02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:05,940 And that's pretty much. 2346 02:06:06,340 --> 02:06:07,740 Everything I've got right now. 2347 02:06:08,380 --> 02:06:09,660 Stand for any questions. 2348 02:06:10,900 --> 02:06:17,260 Yes, ma'am, I want to thank you so much for. 2349 02:06:17,540 --> 02:06:23,820 Hardening the community through all of these different projects and creating a more resilient Lincoln County. 2350 02:06:23,980 --> 02:06:24,580 And. 2351 02:06:24,940 --> 02:06:29,640 Murals work is so impactful and we're very grateful for you. Well, thank you. We enjoy doing it and like I said, when you can 2352 02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:34,340 actually see the results, it's really exciting. 2353 02:06:34,900 --> 02:06:37,660 To be able to to see the landscape change. 2354 02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:40,260 I'd like to share those comments is this is. 2355 02:06:40,540 --> 02:06:41,380 Tremendous. 2356 02:06:42,060 --> 02:06:44,100 Safety and security of the communities. 2357 02:06:44,420 --> 02:06:46,630 We talked about this in 2024. 2358 02:06:47,180 --> 02:06:50,500 And it's coming to fruition, so it helps out. 2359 02:06:50,820 --> 02:06:53,300 Property owners so that their houses don't burn up. 2360 02:06:53,780 --> 02:06:54,820 People don't die. 2361 02:06:55,180 --> 02:06:56,740 The fires can be contained. 2362 02:06:57,180 --> 02:06:58,620 It also helps out the water. 2363 02:06:58,740 --> 02:07:00,500 Situation A water table. 2364 02:07:00,740 --> 02:07:01,580 In the watershed. 2365 02:07:02,140 --> 02:07:04,220 So it's quite quite enormous and quite. 2366 02:07:04,900 --> 02:07:07,820 Wonderful. And the fact that we're executing. 2367 02:07:08,420 --> 02:07:09,260 I would say in. 2368 02:07:10,500 --> 02:07:13,300 A little bit better than normal government time. 2369 02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:16,660 Is is important? Because that's what. 2370 02:07:17,340 --> 02:07:20,260 Generates interest at the legislature to continue. 2371 02:07:20,740 --> 02:07:21,940 Funding this program. 2372 02:07:22,340 --> 02:07:25,020 So that's very good. I would make one mention on the last. 2373 02:07:25,420 --> 02:07:29,060 The Shared Stewardship Agreement has been has been signed. 2374 02:07:29,380 --> 02:07:32,420 We've not done a good neighbor agreement and this is something. 2375 02:07:32,700 --> 02:07:35,220 That has to be completed very quickly. 2376 02:07:35,700 --> 02:07:36,980 So that we can actually. 2377 02:07:37,100 --> 02:07:43,980 Work with the US Forest Service making sure that where they abut our wooly barriers or thinning projects. 2378 02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:46,100 That we continue that progress there. 2379 02:07:47,740 --> 02:07:51,780 And so, so that's something we're going to be working on. We are working on that. I know that state forestry has that same kind of 2380 02:07:51,780 --> 02:07:55,820 mandate that we are. 2381 02:07:55,940 --> 02:07:56,980 Trying to make. 2382 02:07:57,220 --> 02:08:00,220 That happened, yes, and and utilize. 2383 02:08:00,740 --> 02:08:02,300 Every tool we have. 2384 02:08:02,380 --> 02:08:03,620 To be able to. 2385 02:08:03,900 --> 02:08:05,100 Get more work done. 2386 02:08:05,580 --> 02:08:08,500 For the landscape here in Lincoln County. 2387 02:08:08,740 --> 02:08:11,220 There's nothing else, Commissioners, I would thank you. 2388 02:08:11,740 --> 02:08:12,220 Very much. 2389 02:08:13,300 --> 02:08:14,300 For the work you're doing. 2390 02:08:15,450 --> 02:08:16,210 Thinking this stuff. 2391 02:08:19,500 --> 02:08:20,740 Any other external ways? 2392 02:08:21,340 --> 02:08:22,790 Committee, I don't know that we have. 2393 02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:24,910 Anybody else? 2394 02:08:27,700 --> 02:08:30,340 Fair board, we've got the fair board and I guess we've got. 2395 02:08:31,530 --> 02:08:34,250 You, but we'll get you later. Fair board. Let's come on up and. 2396 02:08:36,150 --> 02:08:37,470 I'm just here for. 2397 02:08:37,700 --> 02:08:41,340 Yeah. I think we'll bring that up when we talk about talk about the program. 2398 02:08:44,010 --> 02:08:46,810 And I, I think I don't see anybody else right at this point. 2399 02:08:51,710 --> 02:08:54,390 Mr. Smokovich, you want to come on up and talk about? 2400 02:08:57,860 --> 02:08:58,700 State Forestry. 2401 02:08:59,860 --> 02:09:01,820 00. 2402 02:09:02,740 --> 02:09:03,580 Smokovich. 2403 02:09:03,780 --> 02:09:06,580 District Forester, New Mexico State Forestry Division. 2404 02:09:08,380 --> 02:09:10,260 So I I didn't necessarily have a. 2405 02:09:11,420 --> 02:09:13,260 Presentation. This wasn't my normal. 2406 02:09:13,380 --> 02:09:15,580 Rotation, but I would just say. 2407 02:09:17,900 --> 02:09:20,900 I, I wanted to bring up, you know, with the good neighbor agreement. 2408 02:09:21,340 --> 02:09:24,740 I think one of the next steps a very good one. 2409 02:09:24,900 --> 02:09:28,660 Is bringing up all the input that we're getting from the community. 2410 02:09:28,820 --> 02:09:29,540 At the. 2411 02:09:30,420 --> 02:09:32,900 CWPP meetings so that we can identify. 2412 02:09:32,980 --> 02:09:36,660 All the areas around the county that the public would like to see. 2413 02:09:36,860 --> 02:09:37,780 Treated. Umm, uh. 2414 02:09:38,420 --> 02:09:41,460 So that we can provide that to the US Forest Service. 2415 02:09:41,740 --> 02:09:44,060 And and be able to. 2416 02:09:44,420 --> 02:09:46,420 Jointly go forward and and. 2417 02:09:46,820 --> 02:09:48,580 Put that this good work. 2418 02:09:49,220 --> 02:09:49,860 Expand it. 2419 02:09:50,700 --> 02:09:52,020 You see, it's doing that completing. 2420 02:09:53,110 --> 02:09:54,030 Very quick time. 2421 02:09:56,300 --> 02:09:56,860 Is that it? 2422 02:09:57,500 --> 02:09:59,140 That's all I really had. 2423 02:09:59,540 --> 02:10:00,420 For service. 2424 02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:11,350 Good morning, Chairman Commissioner Amanda Ganith and Deputy Forest Supervisor for the Lincoln National Forest. 2425 02:10:13,020 --> 02:10:17,140 We got our mouth done, so we got our data in, so we'll. 2426 02:10:17,340 --> 02:10:19,620 I was just talking to Nick and we will wait with this. 2427 02:10:19,860 --> 02:10:24,140 Or for state forestry to work with the county to get that data and overlay it. But. 2428 02:10:24,380 --> 02:10:27,740 Ours is ready to go, so we're ready to make the next. 2429 02:10:27,820 --> 02:10:29,140 Move forward and then. 2430 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,880 Schedule our meeting, our next meeting to go over the state stewardship Agreement and next. 2431 02:10:35,340 --> 02:10:35,820 Next steps um. 2432 02:10:37,620 --> 02:10:38,580 Let's see. 2433 02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:43,680 Our closure order for Cedar Creek is expiring September 30th, however. 2434 02:10:44,900 --> 02:10:45,940 Mayor Pro Temp. 2435 02:10:46,540 --> 02:10:49,380 Rifle Stylus has asked me and asked me about. 2436 02:10:49,460 --> 02:10:54,420 You know when his beloved Cedar Creek here is going to be open, but we're going to close it again, unfortunately. 2437 02:10:55,540 --> 02:11:01,630 To do hazard tree removal, we're going to start that phase of of the disaster recovery project within that area. 2438 02:11:02,180 --> 02:11:06,500 So hopefully a lot safer place for folks to go recreate on the trails. 2439 02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:08,070 In the future. 2440 02:11:08,620 --> 02:11:13,140 So that'll be happening after XTERRA event in mid-october. 2441 02:11:14,500 --> 02:11:16,100 I keep it open for for. 2442 02:11:16,260 --> 02:11:19,140 The bikers to use and then we'll close after that. 2443 02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:26,675 Yeah, I think those are the biggest updates from the last from last month. We also the sunset fire is 100% contained as of last 2444 02:11:26,675 --> 02:11:30,870 week. 2445 02:11:31,580 --> 02:11:32,740 And that's really all that. 2446 02:11:32,820 --> 02:11:35,300 Oh, he said. Unless there's any other questions from you. 2447 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:40,240 Any when's CC coming? 2448 02:11:40,540 --> 02:11:41,900 How going back? 2449 02:11:41,980 --> 02:11:46,060 She has been her and Jason will switch back. 2450 02:11:46,300 --> 02:11:48,060 Mid-october. 2451 02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:51,430 Thank you. We have for a little while longer. 2452 02:11:51,540 --> 02:11:52,740 All right. Thank you very much. 2453 02:11:56,440 --> 02:11:57,320 OK, now we'll go to. 2454 02:11:57,460 --> 02:11:59,660 Apartments. First one will be the road department. 2455 02:12:01,460 --> 02:12:01,940 See Jeff. 2456 02:12:02,980 --> 02:12:04,020 That's your Honeycutt. 2457 02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:18,190 Morning Chairman, Commissioners Jeff Honeycutt, Lincoln County Road Superintendent. 2458 02:12:20,260 --> 02:12:24,965 I'll instead of going through all the projects that we have going on, everything is working on time. We're in line with our 2459 02:12:24,965 --> 02:12:29,670 projects. If you have any specific questions about those. 2460 02:12:30,420 --> 02:12:31,940 I'll be happy to answer them. 2461 02:12:32,460 --> 02:12:35,390 Just to let you know, we were recently awarded. 2462 02:12:36,500 --> 02:12:37,020 Through TPF. 2463 02:12:38,500 --> 02:12:43,390 In the state, 2.5 million for Fort Lone Tree to finish that out. 2464 02:12:43,580 --> 02:12:47,500 And also a $500,000 design grant for Devils Canyon. 2465 02:12:47,900 --> 02:12:52,180 So we do not have fully executed agreements, but we do have the award letter. 2466 02:12:53,540 --> 02:12:55,260 So those will be upcoming and. 2467 02:12:55,620 --> 02:12:58,340 I'll bring those to you hopefully here in the next month or two. 2468 02:13:00,540 --> 02:13:02,220 To let you know tomorrow. 2469 02:13:03,970 --> 02:13:05,530 I will be meeting with pattern. 2470 02:13:06,060 --> 02:13:08,140 They have requested to closeout. 2471 02:13:08,700 --> 02:13:12,270 Their road work that they've been doing for the last. 2472 02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:14,310 Couple of years. 2473 02:13:14,660 --> 02:13:17,060 So we have a 9:00 AM meeting with pattern. 2474 02:13:17,460 --> 02:13:21,020 And we'll be driving all of those roads and going through all the. 2475 02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:23,670 Deficiencies that we find. 2476 02:13:24,180 --> 02:13:29,220 And we need to get those roads put back together. We'll see what the initial meeting looks like and. 2477 02:13:29,540 --> 02:13:33,220 Hopefully I'll have some information after that to bring to you guys in October. 2478 02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:36,920 I'd like to see some pictures too. 2479 02:13:37,140 --> 02:13:40,420 We do. We have several pictures. Several. 2480 02:13:41,020 --> 02:13:45,500 Rolls of pictures that we did on stuff that we had reported to them earlier. 2481 02:13:46,900 --> 02:13:50,300 There'll be some discussion about how the roads need to be put back together, but we videotaped every one of those roads before 2482 02:13:50,300 --> 02:13:53,700 they ever use them. 2483 02:13:54,060 --> 02:13:56,260 So we know exactly what they used to be. 2484 02:13:56,540 --> 02:13:59,140 And we fully expect those to be put back. 2485 02:13:59,380 --> 02:14:00,340 With you. 2486 02:14:01,180 --> 02:14:02,310 Like they were before. 2487 02:14:02,900 --> 02:14:04,900 Some cattle guard issues weren't there. 2488 02:14:04,980 --> 02:14:07,020 We have cattle guards, we have culverts. 2489 02:14:07,420 --> 02:14:08,870 And roadway issues. 2490 02:14:09,670 --> 02:14:10,910 So we'll have to see. 2491 02:14:11,300 --> 02:14:17,510 I've had some preliminary discussions with pattern about this and they kind of know what our expectations are. 2492 02:14:17,740 --> 02:14:20,540 And we'll kind of put those in place in tomorrow. 2493 02:14:20,900 --> 02:14:23,300 We'll be driving Bogle trans western de. 2494 02:14:24,940 --> 02:14:26,220 Bonita Canyon Rd. 2495 02:14:26,660 --> 02:14:28,740 We'll take care of all the ones that they've been using. 2496 02:14:31,140 --> 02:14:35,070 And I'll answer any questions. I'll stand for any questions about projects or. 2497 02:14:35,260 --> 02:14:35,940 That meeting? 2498 02:14:37,540 --> 02:14:38,340 Commissioners. 2499 02:14:40,100 --> 02:14:42,980 I know in the past we've had a lot of issues with pattern in their. 2500 02:14:44,060 --> 02:14:46,700 And they're How do I want to say this? 2501 02:14:47,930 --> 02:14:51,210 They're keeping up with the the. 2502 02:14:52,490 --> 02:14:55,170 That how they how they used to be so. 2503 02:14:56,170 --> 02:14:59,790 Are we on track or do you believe there's going to be a lot of work? 2504 02:15:01,540 --> 02:15:04,060 Chairman Fisher. Commissioner Chavez, though. 2505 02:15:04,460 --> 02:15:08,380 There'll be a lot of work entailed at getting these roads back to good. 2506 02:15:08,820 --> 02:15:11,420 A lot of the roads are beat down to bedrock right now. 2507 02:15:11,740 --> 02:15:14,140 And all of those roads started out with caliche. 2508 02:15:14,300 --> 02:15:16,310 So caliche is going to have to be. 2509 02:15:17,330 --> 02:15:19,650 Mind purchase delivered. 2510 02:15:19,860 --> 02:15:23,380 Placed and those roads will have to be built back up. 2511 02:15:24,220 --> 02:15:26,300 Probably 6 to 9 inches in some places. 2512 02:15:26,980 --> 02:15:28,900 So it'll be a huge undertaking. 2513 02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:34,750 But I think initially getting the agreement and we do have some background from 5 or 6 years ago. 2514 02:15:35,180 --> 02:15:37,940 Working with pattern on what the expectations were. 2515 02:15:38,660 --> 02:15:40,740 And they did come through on their part. 2516 02:15:41,300 --> 02:15:42,900 The county actually did the. 2517 02:15:43,020 --> 02:15:43,940 The blade work. 2518 02:15:44,100 --> 02:15:46,350 And they provided the material in the water. 2519 02:15:46,740 --> 02:15:49,550 So we'll look to see what kind of their thought is. 2520 02:15:50,020 --> 02:15:54,230 This is a much larger scale project than what it was 5 or 6 years ago. 2521 02:15:54,380 --> 02:15:59,180 So we'll look and see what their thoughts are on how we're going to approach this kind of moving forward. 2522 02:15:59,620 --> 02:16:00,540 But we have. 2523 02:16:01,260 --> 02:16:03,300 6070 miles of Rd. 2524 02:16:03,500 --> 02:16:05,100 That we are going to have to redo. 2525 02:16:05,980 --> 02:16:08,140 Not counting the culverts and cattle guards. 2526 02:16:09,810 --> 02:16:13,550 And that'll all fall under the road use agreement that they signed and agreed to. 2527 02:16:16,940 --> 02:16:17,700 Anywhere else? 2528 02:16:18,620 --> 02:16:24,540 I have a question regarding the Gaveling Canyon feasibility study with Pettigrew. 2529 02:16:24,980 --> 02:16:28,420 I asked two weeks ago and the manager told me you were pulling a PO. Has that been completed? Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Sarna? 2530 02:16:28,420 --> 02:16:31,860 That has. 2531 02:16:32,020 --> 02:16:33,180 That that is. 2532 02:16:33,380 --> 02:16:35,060 In Pettigrew's hands right now. 2533 02:16:35,300 --> 02:16:37,780 And they should be starting that feasibility study. 2534 02:16:38,620 --> 02:16:42,980 So you all have had the kickoff meeting and they're they've got their task order what they do. 2535 02:16:43,460 --> 02:16:47,900 And I have their response of the $207,000 PO that we cut. 2536 02:16:48,420 --> 02:16:53,020 So they will be starting work on that and that is the very beginning stages. 2537 02:16:53,460 --> 02:16:54,900 That's kind of an initial. 2538 02:16:55,020 --> 02:16:56,620 Type deal, they're going to do their. 2539 02:16:56,700 --> 02:17:02,100 Their feasibility study will present that to the state. We'll see what qualifications do or don't meet. 2540 02:17:02,460 --> 02:17:04,380 And then we'll have to take the next steps. 2541 02:17:05,140 --> 02:17:08,100 That is in no way, shape or form a design. 2542 02:17:08,260 --> 02:17:09,910 It's just going to be kind of the. 2543 02:17:10,060 --> 02:17:13,660 The very beginning, opening that door to see if it's going to be a doable form. 2544 02:17:14,020 --> 02:17:14,700 Project. 2545 02:17:16,420 --> 02:17:20,920 I think we need to coordinate with the village of Rideau so and let them know of our progress made on this part and see where 2546 02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:25,420 they're at with their high tea design so that. 2547 02:17:25,900 --> 02:17:28,580 We're in lockstep with them as we move forward with this. 2548 02:17:28,820 --> 02:17:32,420 Goal hopefully to create a more vibrant Midtown Rita so. 2549 02:17:32,620 --> 02:17:36,785 I'll definitely contact Pettigrew and have them touch base with their engineering firm and see how that's all going to tie 2550 02:17:36,785 --> 02:17:40,950 together, because it will. 2551 02:17:41,260 --> 02:17:42,820 Eventually tie together there. 2552 02:17:43,180 --> 02:17:43,780 On that end. 2553 02:17:48,050 --> 02:17:48,530 Anything else? 2554 02:17:50,380 --> 02:17:51,820 Tully and Co Bridges. 2555 02:17:53,070 --> 02:17:56,390 Chairman Fisher, we do have an agenda item, I believe, about that. 2556 02:17:57,340 --> 02:18:00,500 It has gone out to bid for the second time. 2557 02:18:00,700 --> 02:18:01,620 It was. 2558 02:18:02,260 --> 02:18:05,260 The bids were submitted. They came in a very similar. 2559 02:18:05,740 --> 02:18:06,620 Price point. 2560 02:18:07,180 --> 02:18:07,900 Which was a. 2561 02:18:08,580 --> 02:18:11,180 A short ball from the money that was originally. 2562 02:18:11,500 --> 02:18:13,140 Designated from FEMA. 2563 02:18:13,860 --> 02:18:15,540 We have. 2564 02:18:15,940 --> 02:18:21,540 Ask the District to engineer in Roswell to write us a letter similar to what he did for Otero County. 2565 02:18:22,580 --> 02:18:23,540 Asking. 2566 02:18:23,780 --> 02:18:27,420 That because of the bridge being in a rural area, the price points have. 2567 02:18:28,100 --> 02:18:31,260 Typically going to be more than what FEMA has allowed us. 2568 02:18:31,620 --> 02:18:34,070 So we're asking for more money from them. 2569 02:18:34,540 --> 02:18:37,820 And with that letter from Francisco, hopefully that'll help. 2570 02:18:39,260 --> 02:18:41,300 Kind of make that process happen. 2571 02:18:43,590 --> 02:18:47,470 Yeah, there's it. It's gone from a problem to now. 2572 02:18:49,060 --> 02:18:51,020 A real issue because of the timing. 2573 02:18:51,100 --> 02:18:52,820 Right. It's been so long. 2574 02:18:53,020 --> 02:18:57,420 And it is a significant shortfall in funding from what was bid twice. 2575 02:18:57,820 --> 02:18:59,380 To what was allowed by FEMA. 2576 02:19:00,100 --> 02:19:02,940 Let me ask you this since you got Pettigrew. 2577 02:19:03,340 --> 02:19:05,380 Engineering company that did the design. 2578 02:19:06,780 --> 02:19:08,540 On the repair of those bridges, correct? 2579 02:19:09,140 --> 02:19:10,140 Yes, Sir, that is correct. 2580 02:19:10,380 --> 02:19:11,020 Are they? 2581 02:19:12,300 --> 02:19:14,380 Are they over engineering the? 2582 02:19:14,460 --> 02:19:15,500 The solution? 2583 02:19:15,620 --> 02:19:19,100 I mean, do you have any comment on that? Do you think there's a there's a way? 2584 02:19:19,420 --> 02:19:20,500 I mean, if you look at it. 2585 02:19:22,140 --> 02:19:24,420 You know, I'm not an actual engineer. 2586 02:19:25,250 --> 02:19:26,530 Although I've been called 1. 2587 02:19:27,420 --> 02:19:29,140 Among other things, by the way. 2588 02:19:30,900 --> 02:19:33,180 Is there a way to confine? 2589 02:19:33,300 --> 02:19:33,940 The uh. 2590 02:19:34,220 --> 02:19:37,740 Work to what is required as opposed to. 2591 02:19:38,220 --> 02:19:39,220 Something else? 2592 02:19:39,580 --> 02:19:43,460 Sherman Fisher in my opinion, I drove Coal Canyon Bridge. 2593 02:19:43,860 --> 02:19:45,060 Friday of last week. 2594 02:19:45,820 --> 02:19:51,300 And FEMA had originally allocated $75,000 for the repair of Coal Canyon. 2595 02:19:51,460 --> 02:19:53,580 The decking and the guardrails itself. 2596 02:19:54,580 --> 02:19:56,900 Canopy actually are. 2597 02:19:57,300 --> 02:19:58,500 It's not an issue at all. 2598 02:19:58,620 --> 02:20:02,460 All the work that needs to take place on Co isn't going to be underneath. 2599 02:20:02,700 --> 02:20:03,780 With the abutments. 2600 02:20:04,820 --> 02:20:13,180 The money that was dedicated for Tully was $150,000 and that one is in much worse shape with the dangling guardrail, the canopy. 2601 02:20:13,300 --> 02:20:14,580 And the decking issues? 2602 02:20:15,060 --> 02:20:17,140 Both bridges are extremely narrow. 2603 02:20:17,260 --> 02:20:18,340 Which we all know. 2604 02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:21,340 I don't think it was over engineered. 2605 02:20:22,140 --> 02:20:22,820 I think. 2606 02:20:23,340 --> 02:20:31,710 Bringing in a contractor to this area, typically, like we discussed with District 2 engineer, those rural prices typically are. 2607 02:20:31,940 --> 02:20:32,740 Extreme umm. 2608 02:20:33,140 --> 02:20:37,060 The contractor that did bid both the job both times is out of Albuquerque. 2609 02:20:37,980 --> 02:20:40,020 So you know when they're. 2610 02:20:40,140 --> 02:20:45,420 You know $365,000 shortfall from the bid number that came into what we were allocated. 2611 02:20:45,980 --> 02:20:47,740 So when do we expect an answer on that? 2612 02:20:48,300 --> 02:20:54,940 Actually, King Industries and Charles has sent that letter in the information that was requested by the engineer. 2613 02:20:55,780 --> 02:20:59,420 I saw that e-mail stream yesterday, so hopefully Cisco can get us a. 2614 02:20:59,980 --> 02:21:02,220 A letter generated and we can get some. 2615 02:21:02,420 --> 02:21:04,100 Information back from. 2616 02:21:06,380 --> 02:21:08,500 DFA whoever we need to talk to about that. 2617 02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:12,750 We'll be following that closely, as we have been all along. 2618 02:21:13,500 --> 02:21:14,260 Anything else? 2619 02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:16,390 Thank you. 2620 02:21:16,700 --> 02:21:19,180 It's an oozing sore that needs to be lanced. 2621 02:21:19,980 --> 02:21:20,740 Me or the? 2622 02:21:20,820 --> 02:21:21,380 Bridge. 2623 02:21:29,860 --> 02:21:32,060 Let's look at the facilities as Kingston. 2624 02:21:33,300 --> 02:21:35,820 Thanks please. 2625 02:21:37,220 --> 02:21:37,740 Sir. 2626 02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:43,310 Good morning, Mr. Fisher. 2627 02:21:43,980 --> 02:21:44,660 Commissioners. 2628 02:21:44,860 --> 02:21:45,340 Want to say. 2629 02:21:48,450 --> 02:21:49,970 James Barr assets and facilities. 2630 02:21:52,380 --> 02:21:55,060 The city operations are continuing. It's a bit slow. 2631 02:21:55,300 --> 02:21:56,780 I mean the last couple months. 2632 02:21:59,140 --> 02:22:03,660 Minor issues that we've added. This is what balances and lights AC units. 2633 02:22:03,740 --> 02:22:04,780 The board. 2634 02:22:05,380 --> 02:22:06,260 Has been. 2635 02:22:07,350 --> 02:22:09,550 Going bad on this due to electricity problems. 2636 02:22:09,780 --> 02:22:10,660 The allergies. 2637 02:22:10,940 --> 02:22:12,620 That's really causing havoc on Macy's. 2638 02:22:16,570 --> 02:22:17,610 Other Nat. 2639 02:22:18,620 --> 02:22:20,140 Everything has been running fine. 2640 02:22:20,500 --> 02:22:22,500 We haven't had any major breakdowns. 2641 02:22:23,540 --> 02:22:25,060 We are. I am replacing. 2642 02:22:25,290 --> 02:22:26,810 The main shoreline from the. 2643 02:22:26,930 --> 02:22:28,050 Extension Office. 2644 02:22:28,490 --> 02:22:30,450 It's plugged up after 30 some years. 2645 02:22:34,130 --> 02:22:35,090 Of parking lots. 2646 02:22:36,170 --> 02:22:37,610 The price between. 2647 02:22:37,770 --> 02:22:39,010 Probably March. 2648 02:22:39,530 --> 02:22:42,170 Till now it's increased quite a bit. 2649 02:22:42,330 --> 02:22:47,250 Oil. So I'm looking at it's increased over ten $10,000 money. 2650 02:22:49,010 --> 02:22:50,690 We're holding back. I've been with Jeff. 2651 02:22:51,290 --> 02:22:53,770 We were setting up a meeting, maybe we can get some better. 2652 02:22:53,930 --> 02:22:56,850 Quotes prices. 2653 02:22:57,450 --> 02:22:59,450 So hopefully we can get that done before. 2654 02:22:59,570 --> 02:23:00,170 It gets too cold. 2655 02:23:00,970 --> 02:23:02,130 We don't have a lot of time left. 2656 02:23:04,690 --> 02:23:06,090 Anything else, Commissioner? 2657 02:23:07,700 --> 02:23:09,260 Thank you very much for what you do. 2658 02:23:09,610 --> 02:23:10,530 Oh, you're welcome. 2659 02:23:11,170 --> 02:23:12,050 And we do have a. 2660 02:23:12,530 --> 02:23:13,650 Position available. 2661 02:23:17,210 --> 02:23:19,210 Maintenance operator mats. 2662 02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:22,230 So if you know anybody wants to put in, that's fine. 2663 02:23:25,490 --> 02:23:26,010 Too bad. 2664 02:23:27,770 --> 02:23:28,850 Senior Services. 2665 02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:32,780 Adam Montes. 2666 02:23:34,050 --> 02:23:34,850 Good morning. 2667 02:23:35,530 --> 02:23:39,170 Chairman, Fisher Commissioners Renee Montes, Senior Services Director. 2668 02:23:39,330 --> 02:23:41,370 I really don't have a whole lot to report today. 2669 02:23:41,490 --> 02:23:45,850 We're just business as usual. I'll give you a full first quarter report next month. 2670 02:23:46,050 --> 02:23:49,250 When I come in with a number of units and amount of people and. 2671 02:23:49,530 --> 02:23:52,450 Right now we're doing right about normal what we would. 2672 02:23:52,730 --> 02:23:54,490 Be at our. 2673 02:23:54,730 --> 02:23:56,770 Transportation units have increased. 2674 02:23:57,490 --> 02:24:04,130 The requests have gone up for transportation with the price of gasoline. I'm sure that the seniors are. 2675 02:24:04,490 --> 02:24:06,450 Appreciating that we can. 2676 02:24:07,130 --> 02:24:09,010 Take them to their doctor's appointments and. 2677 02:24:09,250 --> 02:24:12,330 And things so they we have seen an increase in transportation. 2678 02:24:14,090 --> 02:24:14,210 Now. 2679 02:24:15,370 --> 02:24:19,610 We have hired new person at Corona. We finally have a cook. 2680 02:24:19,690 --> 02:24:22,250 In Corona, so we're very excited about that. 2681 02:24:22,450 --> 02:24:23,930 We have a cook in Hondo. 2682 02:24:24,210 --> 02:24:26,370 And so are we are fully staffed for the money. 2683 02:24:27,300 --> 02:24:29,100 The first time since about April. 2684 02:24:29,370 --> 02:24:30,850 That we have been fully staffed. 2685 02:24:33,210 --> 02:24:34,210 Understand for any questions. 2686 02:24:34,610 --> 02:24:35,250 Thank you. 2687 02:24:35,570 --> 02:24:37,330 Is there anything from the Commission? 2688 02:24:37,850 --> 02:24:39,130 Thank you ma'am very much. 2689 02:24:39,210 --> 02:24:39,850 Appreciate you. 2690 02:24:41,270 --> 02:24:42,940 Office of Emergency Services. 2691 02:24:49,050 --> 02:24:51,050 Good morning, Chairman Fisher, Commissioners. 2692 02:24:51,130 --> 02:24:53,170 Aaron, 31, fire service administrator. 2693 02:24:54,570 --> 02:24:56,650 So looking back to August. 2694 02:24:57,090 --> 02:25:00,290 Your Volunteer Fire departments ran 32 calls for service. 2695 02:25:00,410 --> 02:25:03,330 Including two structure fires, 2 brush fires. 2696 02:25:03,850 --> 02:25:05,810 17 motor vehicle accidents. 2697 02:25:06,090 --> 02:25:07,410 Two gas calls. 2698 02:25:07,930 --> 02:25:12,370 Four false alarms, one control burn, 2 EMS assists, and two flooding calls. 2699 02:25:14,110 --> 02:25:17,710 I wanted to give everybody an update this morning on the Monument Fire, which is the fire we had over the weekend about 8 miles 2700 02:25:17,710 --> 02:25:21,310 South of Hondo. 2701 02:25:22,370 --> 02:25:26,210 The majority of that fire was located on the Rio Hondo Landing Cattle Company. 2702 02:25:27,250 --> 02:25:29,490 Actually within their high fence, within their. 2703 02:25:29,610 --> 02:25:30,730 Their elk area. 2704 02:25:31,850 --> 02:25:35,010 Fire We caught the fire at 572 acres. 2705 02:25:36,410 --> 02:25:40,740 I got word this morning actually that they raised the containment on that to 90%. 2706 02:25:41,130 --> 02:25:43,140 So the fire is looking very, very good. 2707 02:25:44,090 --> 02:25:46,900 One thing that really surprised us with this fire was. 2708 02:25:47,210 --> 02:25:48,050 I mean, we're. 2709 02:25:48,170 --> 02:25:53,490 Into the middle of September already and we were seeing high to extreme fire behavior throughout the the event. 2710 02:25:53,650 --> 02:25:54,450 Saturday. 2711 02:25:55,130 --> 02:25:56,370 So that's that's a. 2712 02:25:56,570 --> 02:26:00,730 Pretty great concern to us why we're seeing such extreme fiery behavior this late into the year. 2713 02:26:01,290 --> 02:26:05,570 It is is still very dry once you get South of Hwy. 70 in that Hondo area. 2714 02:26:07,730 --> 02:26:10,570 The departments that responded to that fire were the. 2715 02:26:10,730 --> 02:26:12,330 Valley Fire Department, Glencoe. 2716 02:26:12,970 --> 02:26:15,970 Lincoln, Arabella, New Mexico State Forestry. 2717 02:26:16,330 --> 02:26:18,650 United States Forest Service and the OAS Office. 2718 02:26:19,090 --> 02:26:23,010 So shout out to all those guys for catching that fire as quick as they did. I mean, it was. 2719 02:26:23,410 --> 02:26:25,290 That fire was actually moving pretty good. 2720 02:26:26,290 --> 02:26:29,410 And then a quick update on the Guyanese Tower project. 2721 02:26:29,610 --> 02:26:35,340 The Guyanus tower was turned. The new guy in his tower was turned on yesterday. It was tested. It is operational. 2722 02:26:35,650 --> 02:26:37,890 We have a few tweaks to make but that. 2723 02:26:38,010 --> 02:26:41,290 Project is coming to a close here pretty quick it is. 2724 02:26:41,370 --> 02:26:41,970 Online. Umm. 2725 02:26:42,450 --> 02:26:44,370 So with that, I'll stand for any questions. 2726 02:26:47,070 --> 02:26:47,790 Commissioners. 2727 02:26:49,610 --> 02:26:50,490 Yes, Sir. Good. 2728 02:26:50,850 --> 02:26:53,850 Mr. Green One, when have you heard back from the state? 2729 02:26:54,570 --> 02:26:58,530 Proposing to limit fire restrictions for being patched aid in Mexico. 2730 02:26:59,050 --> 02:27:00,770 I have not yet, I'm sorry. 2731 02:27:00,850 --> 02:27:05,510 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Feather, I have not heard when they're going to lift their fire restrictions yet. I sent an e-mail 2732 02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:10,170 over to the fire management officer yesterday, but I believe he's out on R&R. 2733 02:27:10,850 --> 02:27:15,530 He just got back from a fire up north so I'm just waiting for him to get back in the office and touch base with him. 2734 02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:19,700 I will tell you An Arabella. 2735 02:27:20,130 --> 02:27:22,450 It is correctly DRY. 2736 02:27:22,850 --> 02:27:24,010 Haven't had any rain. 2737 02:27:25,740 --> 02:27:27,260 Question on on Arabella. 2738 02:27:27,370 --> 02:27:31,650 They they do not have the ability to pump water from their tanks. 2739 02:27:32,370 --> 02:27:35,570 In the event of loss of Tarot County electorate. 2740 02:27:36,750 --> 02:27:38,670 They need a generator. At least that's what. 2741 02:27:38,850 --> 02:27:40,810 The report I got, we have any? 2742 02:27:40,930 --> 02:27:46,700 Notion about that, You know what's going on there. Chairman Fisher, The Erbella Vol Volunteer Fire Department has a generator. 2743 02:27:47,410 --> 02:27:54,010 I know it supplies their fire station. I do not know if that is hooked into their their pump. I think that's the point. 2744 02:27:54,090 --> 02:27:57,730 So then I will, I will talk with Chief Stark out at that. 2745 02:27:57,890 --> 02:28:00,810 Fire department and see what we can do about getting. 2746 02:28:00,970 --> 02:28:02,850 That run over to their pump as well. 2747 02:28:02,930 --> 02:28:06,570 I don't see why that it's a pretty large generator. I don't see why it wouldn't operate bull. 2748 02:28:06,890 --> 02:28:08,250 Yeah, I'd appreciate that. 2749 02:28:09,010 --> 02:28:10,650 Particularly as dry as it is out there. 2750 02:28:11,010 --> 02:28:11,530 Yes, Sir. 2751 02:28:12,790 --> 02:28:15,500 There's nothing else. We you have a question? Yes, ma'am. 2752 02:28:15,610 --> 02:28:21,860 So with this restriction that Commissioner Prather spoke of, you have not been able to do anything with the. 2753 02:28:23,250 --> 02:28:26,810 Training that you were going to have at Hwy. 220 in Rio Felix. 2754 02:28:27,970 --> 02:28:33,970 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Serna, that is correct. We have not been able to do any burns on that pile due to the restrictions. 2755 02:28:34,490 --> 02:28:37,810 The way that's kind of playing out is the states fire restrictions. 2756 02:28:37,890 --> 02:28:44,410 Are for all non municipal, non tribal, non federal lands, so that includes all the unincorporated areas of Lincoln County. 2757 02:28:44,610 --> 02:28:48,970 So until they lift their restrictions, we cannot lift our restrictions and it's. 2758 02:28:49,250 --> 02:28:53,490 It's just not right for us to go out and burn if we're not letting the general public burn. 2759 02:28:53,850 --> 02:28:55,130 And it's not safe either. 2760 02:28:56,440 --> 02:29:00,900 So I would just like to understand, as our Director of Emergency Services, you don't have any concerns since you just stated we 2761 02:29:00,900 --> 02:29:05,360 have moderate to severe fire danger. 2762 02:29:05,490 --> 02:29:07,370 With the pile that's accumulated. 2763 02:29:08,090 --> 02:29:11,290 On Hwy. 70 and then the wind that we have at Hwy. 220. 2764 02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:15,520 That area. 2765 02:29:16,010 --> 02:29:22,420 Chairman. Fisher, Commissioner. That area along Hwy. 220 has received more rain than most areas in the county. 2766 02:29:22,850 --> 02:29:26,415 I don't think that we would see the extreme fire behavior out of that area that we are seeing down South and on the eastern side 2767 02:29:26,415 --> 02:29:29,980 of the county right now. 2768 02:29:30,730 --> 02:29:32,780 I'm not saying it's not a concern. 2769 02:29:32,930 --> 02:29:36,260 And that it doesn't need to be mitigated in the future. 2770 02:29:36,650 --> 02:29:40,190 But right now, I don't think that we would see the the extreme fire behavior in that area that we're seeing South and east of that 2771 02:29:40,190 --> 02:29:43,730 area. 2772 02:29:44,250 --> 02:29:47,050 And the stockpiling on Hwy. 70 is not of. 2773 02:29:47,370 --> 02:29:48,170 Concern. 2774 02:29:49,450 --> 02:29:54,290 I haven't even seen the pile on Hwy. 70 yet. That's in the city of Ruidoso Downs. 2775 02:29:55,930 --> 02:30:00,500 I can get with the Ruidoso Downs chief and go down and look at that if that's the direction of the Commission. 2776 02:30:01,870 --> 02:30:04,310 You can see see what that one entails. 2777 02:30:06,490 --> 02:30:07,930 I think it would be a bad thing. 2778 02:30:08,730 --> 02:30:09,650 Be aware. 2779 02:30:10,170 --> 02:30:11,810 But what's what's there? 2780 02:30:12,690 --> 02:30:14,930 Make a comment I would have on that is that. 2781 02:30:15,050 --> 02:30:16,650 Commission is well aware. 2782 02:30:17,010 --> 02:30:18,210 Of these problems. 2783 02:30:18,980 --> 02:30:21,100 And we are trying to find solutions. 2784 02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:27,180 The Commission is aware, but if our director of emergency services is unaware of a pile that's a hazard to the public, that's a 2785 02:30:27,180 --> 02:30:31,320 concern. 2786 02:30:32,370 --> 02:30:37,770 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Serna I I am aware of the pile in the downs, I just have not seen it yet. 2787 02:30:38,410 --> 02:30:42,970 I have not had the time to go down there and drive around that pile like I have the one on 2/20. 2788 02:30:45,710 --> 02:30:46,390 Anything else? 2789 02:30:49,290 --> 02:30:51,650 Hearing who's responsible for that pile in the Downs. 2790 02:30:52,410 --> 02:30:53,410 So that. 2791 02:30:53,930 --> 02:30:55,810 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Chavez. 2792 02:30:56,050 --> 02:30:58,330 That pile falls within the city of Ruidoso Downs. 2793 02:30:58,410 --> 02:31:03,220 So the responsibility for any fire starts down there would lie on the city of Ruidoso Downs Fire Department. 2794 02:31:03,690 --> 02:31:04,570 OK. Thank you. 2795 02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:10,700 Hearing no other questions. 2796 02:31:10,930 --> 02:31:12,130 Thank you very much. 2797 02:31:16,330 --> 02:31:17,370 Who am I missing? 2798 02:31:17,970 --> 02:31:20,090 Finance department, but I think we'll do that. 2799 02:31:20,570 --> 02:31:22,250 When we get to the to that. 2800 02:31:22,330 --> 02:31:22,890 Budget. 2801 02:31:23,090 --> 02:31:24,570 So forth. 2802 02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:26,230 HR. 2803 02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:29,520 Please. 2804 02:31:31,210 --> 02:31:31,490 Yeah. 2805 02:31:36,650 --> 02:31:39,130 Good morning, Commissioner Fisher, Commissioners. 2806 02:31:39,770 --> 02:31:41,930 Jenna Gallardo, human resources Manager. 2807 02:31:42,410 --> 02:31:43,770 Just some, really. 2808 02:31:43,890 --> 02:31:45,090 Good news Updates. 2809 02:31:45,210 --> 02:31:48,490 From my department, we fully staffed the Senior Center. 2810 02:31:48,850 --> 02:31:50,130 As of last week. 2811 02:31:51,170 --> 02:31:56,370 I got with New Mexico County safety inspector out of Roswell, Angelo. 2812 02:31:56,530 --> 02:32:00,770 Groule, we went and did safety inspections of all county. 2813 02:32:01,410 --> 02:32:02,210 Buildings. 2814 02:32:03,500 --> 02:32:06,140 A couple days ago I should be getting that report. 2815 02:32:06,290 --> 02:32:13,170 Sometime later this week and then me and James will work together because we've been working to rebuild a safety panel. 2816 02:32:13,410 --> 02:32:16,620 And to make sure all of that is up to date and what we should be doing. 2817 02:32:16,770 --> 02:32:20,430 I also scheduled with him CPR certification classes for who needs it for the county to help out Renee with the Senior Center who 2818 02:32:20,430 --> 02:32:24,090 needs it. 2819 02:32:24,530 --> 02:32:26,540 OES and the Sheriff's Office. 2820 02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:32,540 We also hired on a certified deputy for the Sheriff's Office. 2821 02:32:33,650 --> 02:32:39,130 We've got applications for openings for the road department for their opening of mechanic and Operator 2. 2822 02:32:40,530 --> 02:32:46,730 We have a maintenance position open. We've received a lot of applications for that. So I'll be getting with James for. 2823 02:32:46,890 --> 02:32:50,970 Us to schedule up some interviews now that we've got a substantial amount of those. 2824 02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:54,600 Me and James have also been working. 2825 02:32:54,680 --> 02:32:59,800 Diligently to be proactive for our insurance claims with New Mexico counties to stay on top of that. 2826 02:32:59,960 --> 02:33:03,200 For all of our departments to make sure that we're doing what we need to do so we can get our vehicles up and going if there's any 2827 02:33:03,200 --> 02:33:06,440 deficiencies. 2828 02:33:07,800 --> 02:33:14,640 Me and finance, we've been working a lot smoother with Tyler for payroll actions. We've been seeing a good flow. 2829 02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:16,520 Now that we've kind of got a hang of. 2830 02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:19,760 The routes that we need to be taking for that new system. 2831 02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:25,840 And I was also able to schedule a para representative to come down on Monday, October 26th. 2832 02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:32,290 At 1:00 and 3:00 to have a presentation for all of our employees and to help answer any. 2833 02:33:32,480 --> 02:33:36,520 Questions towards benefits, retirement and any other related matters. 2834 02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:38,040 And I stand for any questions. 2835 02:33:40,470 --> 02:33:41,090 Commissioners. 2836 02:33:43,620 --> 02:33:45,140 Very good. I'm sorry. 2837 02:33:45,320 --> 02:33:48,980 Have you been able to send out the employee satisfaction survey we talked about? I actually had solidified that, Commissioner 2838 02:33:48,980 --> 02:33:52,640 Serna. 2839 02:33:53,160 --> 02:33:56,720 Two days before I went on military leave and I will be sending it out. 2840 02:33:57,240 --> 02:33:58,960 I had just gotten back about a week ago. 2841 02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:04,880 I like the safety inspections a lot. I like the para. 2842 02:34:05,800 --> 02:34:06,400 Proactive. 2843 02:34:07,420 --> 02:34:08,900 Thank you. Appreciate what you're doing. 2844 02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:10,130 Thank you. 2845 02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:11,520 Thank you. 2846 02:34:12,770 --> 02:34:17,970 So I think we have the planning and strategic resilience department. 2847 02:34:19,100 --> 02:34:19,540 Mr. 2848 02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:29,120 Thank you, Commissioners Ross Coleman, Director of Strategic Planning and Resilience. 2849 02:34:30,680 --> 02:34:32,480 Just a few things to update you on. 2850 02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:34,480 The Behavioral. 2851 02:34:34,920 --> 02:34:37,640 Report that you and Otero County. 2852 02:34:37,880 --> 02:34:38,840 Agreed to. 2853 02:34:39,400 --> 02:34:40,480 August 24th. 2854 02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:45,520 I was subsequently approved by Muscular Apache Tribe on September the 3rd. 2855 02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:50,080 And that report was sent up to the Health Care Authority shortly after their meeting. 2856 02:34:50,840 --> 02:34:52,960 They're going to have a meeting. 2857 02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:55,090 For the approval by the executive Committee. 2858 02:34:55,200 --> 02:35:00,050 On October the 6th in Santa Fe, and I'll be in attendance for that because they're probably going to have some questions. 2859 02:35:01,240 --> 02:35:03,480 And we expect that plan to be approved. 2860 02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:06,370 Regarding the shooting range. 2861 02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:08,640 We've been in contact with Milo. 2862 02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:12,800 And they expect that the modular containers. 2863 02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:14,640 Will probably be ready. 2864 02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:17,050 Late October. Early November. 2865 02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:20,840 So we're commencing the underground work, which is the electric concrete. 2866 02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:24,520 And so forth so we can be ready for that delivery. 2867 02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:26,200 If by chance we're not ready. 2868 02:35:26,320 --> 02:35:29,760 They're going to put those containers to the back of the facility while we get everything straightened up, and then they'll come 2869 02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:33,200 back and move them into place. 2870 02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:34,600 So that's. 2871 02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:36,920 That's that's occurring pretty quickly. 2872 02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:41,200 The IHS database for indigent care that you'll approved. 2873 02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:43,280 Went up live last week. 2874 02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:47,960 So we're starting to get into that. We're starting to work on payments and Billings, so. 2875 02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:54,080 I don't know if next month will be ready to give you a report, but hopefully by November. 2876 02:35:54,200 --> 02:35:56,000 We'll be able to capture some data. 2877 02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:59,040 See what kind of savings we have? See how that's working? 2878 02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:00,240 Provide you. 2879 02:36:00,320 --> 02:36:04,560 You know the types of trends and and some of those items that y'all been asking for. 2880 02:36:06,320 --> 02:36:11,640 Then on our strategic water, I I told you last time, Modesto Chavez is complete. 2881 02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:16,880 Copper Ridge is almost complete. Looks like they just have a few things left and then over here. 2882 02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:22,760 And no gal, looks like they're doing some underground work, probably some piping. They have an area cordoned off so. 2883 02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:24,960 I'll be getting with the contractor to follow up. 2884 02:36:25,400 --> 02:36:28,720 And see when that thing will be ready to be tested and approved. 2885 02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:32,760 So that's what I have right now if you have any questions. 2886 02:36:35,290 --> 02:36:35,930 Commission. 2887 02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:39,910 Can you elaborate on the shooting range? 2888 02:36:40,840 --> 02:36:42,760 Who is the contractor on the? 2889 02:36:44,330 --> 02:36:45,330 On the On the what? 2890 02:36:45,480 --> 02:36:46,240 The shooting range. 2891 02:36:46,520 --> 02:36:48,720 So right now we have. 2892 02:36:50,190 --> 02:36:52,950 What's that guy's name? The architect Yaboto. 2893 02:36:54,680 --> 02:36:59,080 Yamamoto is the architect. Pettigrew I believe was also looking at that. 2894 02:36:59,320 --> 02:37:06,920 And then I think we are looking into White Sands for doing some of the actual work and then Otero Electric. 2895 02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:09,400 Is going to connect the three phase. 2896 02:37:09,640 --> 02:37:12,440 Electrical up, so they've got to put a transformer. 2897 02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:13,840 Run a line up to the. 2898 02:37:13,960 --> 02:37:15,560 To the building. So those are the. 2899 02:37:15,960 --> 02:37:18,040 The people that we're working with currently, right now. 2900 02:37:18,280 --> 02:37:21,200 He procured it through state price agreements. Is that what you did? 2901 02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:24,250 Mr. Chairman, Commissioner. 2902 02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:28,340 We have procured this using our current on call contract. We presented that to you here a few months ago on how that's what we're 2903 02:37:28,340 --> 02:37:32,280 going to proceed and that's what we're working towards right now. 2904 02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:36,080 Oh, they could do it the quickest and the cheapest. 2905 02:37:36,320 --> 02:37:36,800 Yes. 2906 02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:39,600 Well, as we're doing. 2907 02:37:40,580 --> 02:37:42,340 A pseudo design bill. 2908 02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:44,840 We're working with them. 2909 02:37:45,320 --> 02:37:47,800 To make sure that we fit the project within the budget. 2910 02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:50,240 So that we can have everything ready that when it shows up. 2911 02:37:57,440 --> 02:37:59,840 You may want to listen to the end. 2912 02:38:00,240 --> 02:38:04,280 Uh, towards the end of the meeting for the sheriff's request because. 2913 02:38:04,520 --> 02:38:05,840 I think that you'll be able to. 2914 02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:09,210 His needs into this project. 2915 02:38:09,440 --> 02:38:09,840 Yes, ma'am. 2916 02:38:13,190 --> 02:38:14,510 OK. Thank you very much. 2917 02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:22,920 I think we're going to elected officials now. 2918 02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:26,870 Chair foot, please. 2919 02:38:28,480 --> 02:38:30,240 You have anything left? 2920 02:38:36,400 --> 02:38:40,320 Mr. Chairman Fisher, Commissioners Michael Wood, your Lincoln County Sheriff House. 2921 02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:42,440 Briefly share with you real fast. 2922 02:38:43,220 --> 02:38:47,140 Some statistics generated by my office since we met last. 2923 02:38:48,540 --> 02:38:50,980 In the last 30 days or so, we have affected. 2924 02:38:51,400 --> 02:38:53,080 Perform 16 arrests. 2925 02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:56,400 Answer 309 calls for service. 2926 02:38:56,640 --> 02:38:58,680 Investigated 74 incidents. 2927 02:39:00,190 --> 02:39:04,750 We received from the court 16 arrest warrants. We serve 213. 2928 02:39:05,770 --> 02:39:07,210 Civil process papers. 2929 02:39:08,130 --> 02:39:10,570 And responded to 34. 2930 02:39:12,260 --> 02:39:14,410 Freedom of Information Act requests. 2931 02:39:15,560 --> 02:39:19,280 Also issue 55 traffic citations investigated. 2932 02:39:20,750 --> 02:39:22,590 20A motor vehicle accidents. 2933 02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:27,600 So there's a rundown of some of my stats in the last 30 days. 2934 02:39:27,960 --> 02:39:35,120 I'm prepared to tell you that I'm very happy, very proud, and that we have 0 openings within my office at this moment. I hired a. 2935 02:39:35,880 --> 02:39:36,560 As HR. 2936 02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:40,440 Noted. A little bit ago I hired a certified deputy from Roswell. 2937 02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:43,120 So we have absolutely 0 openings. 2938 02:39:43,440 --> 02:39:44,400 All my positions. 2939 02:39:46,390 --> 02:39:48,690 And another caveat to that is. 2940 02:39:48,840 --> 02:39:49,720 Finally, uh. 2941 02:39:50,120 --> 02:39:52,000 You know, I've worked since day one. 2942 02:39:52,600 --> 02:39:55,880 School resource deputy in this county, we never had one. Ever. 2943 02:39:56,630 --> 02:39:59,230 And for the last couple of years, we finally have had one. 2944 02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:02,880 He's been the current school resource deputy has been. 2945 02:40:04,780 --> 02:40:07,410 Sharing her services with two county schools. 2946 02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:08,920 Right Hondo and Corona. 2947 02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:10,600 A long ways apart. 2948 02:40:10,760 --> 02:40:12,400 Long ways apart, so. 2949 02:40:13,080 --> 02:40:13,800 This. 2950 02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:19,170 Having been being full staff now is going to allow us within the month to commit. 2951 02:40:19,560 --> 02:40:22,640 Another school resource deputy specifically to Corona. 2952 02:40:23,880 --> 02:40:28,040 So and it'll be a bifurcated mission in that this deputy sheriff because that's that's just in my in my office, that's District 3 2953 02:40:28,040 --> 02:40:32,200 everything from 380 N. 2954 02:40:32,760 --> 02:40:37,440 County line West, County line North and county line E That is all District 3. 2955 02:40:37,720 --> 02:40:39,760 And it encompasses a large. 2956 02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:41,960 Large area geographically. 2957 02:40:42,660 --> 02:40:49,450 So in the event something does occur in that area and the school resource deputy happens to be close enough to. 2958 02:40:49,800 --> 02:40:50,960 Render aid or. 2959 02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:55,410 Stop the bleeding, whatever necessary. Then they'll be called upon to do so. But the big. 2960 02:40:55,560 --> 02:40:58,820 Picture here is that for the first time in forever, we're going to have two school resource deputies, so we're very excited about 2961 02:40:58,820 --> 02:41:02,080 that. 2962 02:41:03,720 --> 02:41:08,920 I'm going to end mine on a high note and I consider that a high note, so I would I would stand for questions. 2963 02:41:10,260 --> 02:41:11,010 Commissioners. 2964 02:41:11,720 --> 02:41:12,920 Thank you for all your good work. 2965 02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:13,560 Thank you, Sir. 2966 02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:15,720 Thank you, Sir. Thank you. 2967 02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:22,800 The assessor, Sir, thank you. 2968 02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:26,880 Do you have any questions? 2969 02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:32,760 Thank you, Sir. 2970 02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:37,400 County Clerk. 2971 02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:43,640 Ma'am, Yes, Sir. Commissioners, right now we. 2972 02:41:43,880 --> 02:41:46,200 As you guys know, we are in the middle of our election. 2973 02:41:46,360 --> 02:41:50,440 The first day for absentee ballots to go out in the mail will be. 2974 02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:51,920 On October 6. 2975 02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:55,400 We have started the new permanent absentee. 2976 02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:58,920 That has been we've had quite a few people sign up for. 2977 02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:01,090 We sent out notices on. 2978 02:42:01,400 --> 02:42:02,240 Monday. 2979 02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:03,480 Yesterday. 2980 02:42:03,720 --> 02:42:05,360 To 607. 2981 02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:09,560 People that are currently signed up for permanent absentee letting them know. 2982 02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:11,120 That they are signed up and. 2983 02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:15,800 They don't need to do anything in order to receive that ballot, so those notices went out yesterday. 2984 02:42:16,320 --> 02:42:21,200 So people getting those, they also we had noticed this sent out on Friday. 2985 02:42:22,040 --> 02:42:24,640 And that is the notice of election. Just letting everybody know. 2986 02:42:24,800 --> 02:42:28,360 That there is an election going on, dates, times, locations, that type of information. 2987 02:42:29,370 --> 02:42:33,010 As I said, absentee first we can mail out is October 6th. 2988 02:42:33,400 --> 02:42:36,560 That will also be when early voting begins in our office. 2989 02:42:37,760 --> 02:42:41,440 And then early voting in Ruidoso will be after that. 2990 02:42:41,720 --> 02:42:44,400 And then obviously Election Day is November 3rd. 2991 02:42:44,880 --> 02:42:46,520 We also will start. 2992 02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:50,920 This weekend on Saturday, sending out our Uokaba ballot. 2993 02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:55,440 And that is the Uniformed Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act. 2994 02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:59,200 Those are our military voters and our citizens that are. 2995 02:42:59,320 --> 02:43:01,240 Overseas at the at the time. 2996 02:43:01,320 --> 02:43:02,800 Those ballots will start going out. 2997 02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:04,680 This Saturday. 2998 02:43:04,760 --> 02:43:07,080 So the election is. 2999 02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:07,840 Here, Yeah. 3000 02:43:08,200 --> 02:43:10,840 So we're just trying to encourage everybody to get out and vote. 3001 02:43:11,240 --> 02:43:14,400 And make sure that that their voice is heard and that. 3002 02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:20,410 They do get out and vote either absentee early or Election Day. They they have lots of opportunities. 3003 02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:21,800 That's what happened. 3004 02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:22,520 Thank you. 3005 02:43:24,370 --> 02:43:25,330 Madam Treasure. 3006 02:43:36,880 --> 02:43:40,240 Good morning, Chair Fischers Commissioner Sherry Huddleston, Lincoln County Treasurer. 3007 02:43:41,930 --> 02:43:43,290 Just to let you know, um. 3008 02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:48,240 August 13th we did have a property tax sale in Lincoln County. 3009 02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:51,880 We started off with 92 properties. We ended up selling 30. 3010 02:43:52,760 --> 02:43:58,850 It brought in about $290,000. Only 29,000 of that was actually property taxes. 3011 02:43:59,120 --> 02:44:00,080 So those. 3012 02:44:00,830 --> 02:44:03,430 Owners of the properties or. 3013 02:44:03,560 --> 02:44:08,450 Relatives or whatever, because a lot of the properties people didn't want, we contacted them. 3014 02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:10,040 And they did not want them. 3015 02:44:10,680 --> 02:44:11,600 So they can. 3016 02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:13,640 Request to get those excess funds. 3017 02:44:14,200 --> 02:44:17,040 And they can get those, you know, returned to them by the state. 3018 02:44:17,440 --> 02:44:19,650 We are working currently with our auditor. 3019 02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:22,680 They're asking for a lot of documentation, so. 3020 02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:26,400 We've been putting all kinds of information through the portal for them. 3021 02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:29,880 We are still working with Tyler. 3022 02:44:31,590 --> 02:44:34,810 We're working in both programs still with Triadic and Tyler. 3023 02:44:34,920 --> 02:44:39,640 And I have to say hands off to our staff, they have been working. 3024 02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:42,640 Diligently. Many hours. 3025 02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:45,320 Troy for heading it up. It's amazing. 3026 02:44:45,720 --> 02:44:48,440 The amount of data that he's having to put in there. 3027 02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:49,760 We've gotten. 3028 02:44:49,880 --> 02:44:53,730 Our taxes for the last 10 years between the two programs. 3029 02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:57,000 The auditor said about $20 he would. 3030 02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:59,240 Except we're down to $0.68. 3031 02:44:59,400 --> 02:45:00,640 The difference in taxes. 3032 02:45:00,760 --> 02:45:02,840 So that's been a lot and I. 3033 02:45:03,880 --> 02:45:04,560 Hands off. 3034 02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:06,520 To Troy and everybody in our. 3035 02:45:06,680 --> 02:45:08,730 The treasurer's office, it's amazing. 3036 02:45:09,080 --> 02:45:13,360 We still are having some issues with Tyler on our distribution. 3037 02:45:13,480 --> 02:45:15,520 We're having to still do it out of triadic. 3038 02:45:15,960 --> 02:45:21,480 And they're still working on it. It's been about what, 5 weeks we are waiting for them. 3039 02:45:21,560 --> 02:45:22,520 To get the data. 3040 02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:24,040 Input it correctly. 3041 02:45:24,400 --> 02:45:27,160 It's the special districts that's kind of kicking it off. 3042 02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:33,840 Apparently Lincoln County has a lot of special districts, so that's been kind of a problem and. 3043 02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:35,400 I stand for questions. 3044 02:45:41,150 --> 02:45:43,250 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, while I have the. 3045 02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:44,320 Treasure up here. 3046 02:45:46,400 --> 02:45:50,960 To add on to her, Tyler tried it and the concerns that they might have. We are going to be scheduling a. 3047 02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:55,640 Town Hall, I think we agreed on September 29th is what we said. 3048 02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:00,840 That E and MU in the large presentation room. 3049 02:46:01,320 --> 02:46:03,400 To kind of. 3050 02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:05,160 Inform the public of. 3051 02:46:05,960 --> 02:46:08,680 Transitional concerns that there might be to inform them. 3052 02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:10,400 Please check your bills. 3053 02:46:10,760 --> 02:46:15,120 Please provide them with the information that if they think there might be a mistake, where they can go to check it. 3054 02:46:16,040 --> 02:46:19,080 Just so we can make every sure everyone has the information. 3055 02:46:19,480 --> 02:46:22,360 On their tax bills as they go out this year and we're in transition. 3056 02:46:22,840 --> 02:46:26,180 That's just that's how these large transitions and startups go. There's never going to be one that's perfect, but we're working 3057 02:46:26,180 --> 02:46:29,520 through the issues. 3058 02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:29,960 As. 3059 02:46:31,450 --> 02:46:32,370 As we find them so. 3060 02:46:32,760 --> 02:46:34,760 And Friday we did meet with the. 3061 02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:39,600 Some of the major title companies in town, the assessors and the treasurer's office. 3062 02:46:39,800 --> 02:46:46,930 And we did provide them with information about the transition and what to expect on their title searches because? 3063 02:46:47,080 --> 02:46:48,160 If a ranch has. 3064 02:46:48,280 --> 02:46:52,240 50 UPC codes on one bill right now in Tyler. 3065 02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:53,920 They're going to get 50 bills. 3066 02:46:54,040 --> 02:46:56,690 With it, it's going to be a lot. 3067 02:46:56,840 --> 02:46:59,440 So we worked with them. We kind of, you know. 3068 02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:03,520 I think Troy is going to go back and do some training of how they can actually input that data into the spreadsheet online for 3069 02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:07,360 Tyler. 3070 02:47:07,480 --> 02:47:09,160 And they were. 3071 02:47:09,280 --> 02:47:10,120 Very. 3072 02:47:11,360 --> 02:47:12,520 Happy with our. 3073 02:47:12,680 --> 02:47:15,080 Letting them know what's coming up so. 3074 02:47:15,840 --> 02:47:19,760 A lot of them haven't worked with Tyler before and a few of them have. 3075 02:47:20,360 --> 02:47:26,200 Because I think Colorado has it and they're kind of familiar with that and, you know, Chavez County. 3076 02:47:26,520 --> 02:47:33,020 Otero County, so it depends on where the properties sell, but they were very appreciative that we did go and talk to them. The 3077 02:47:33,020 --> 02:47:39,520 assessor had some other documents that he presented to them about property tax division requires. 3078 02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:41,640 It was really good meetings and. 3079 02:47:42,820 --> 02:47:44,140 Stanford, any questions on that? 3080 02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:48,840 That means that the bills will be mailed individually. 3081 02:47:49,680 --> 02:47:50,920 If they have. 3082 02:47:51,480 --> 02:47:55,560 That would be more of a assessor question, but if they actually have value on them. 3083 02:47:55,800 --> 02:47:57,920 So they may put the value on one. 3084 02:47:58,280 --> 02:48:03,850 And then we in turn in our office can do like a mortgage company file. 3085 02:48:03,960 --> 02:48:07,160 And take that one owner and link all of those to it. 3086 02:48:07,280 --> 02:48:09,920 And then that way when they do pay. 3087 02:48:10,120 --> 02:48:13,000 You know they will get if they have value, they will get 50 bills. 3088 02:48:13,080 --> 02:48:16,840 So if each UPC code has a value on it, they will get 50 bills. 3089 02:48:17,240 --> 02:48:21,000 And that's why we increased our budget this year for postage and things like that. 3090 02:48:22,960 --> 02:48:25,120 It's more of an assessor question, but. 3091 02:48:25,400 --> 02:48:28,480 You can find it. 3092 02:48:29,400 --> 02:48:31,640 We get all the data from the assessor's office. 3093 02:48:32,840 --> 02:48:35,360 Good morning, everybody. Leroy Memorial, Lincoln County Assessor. 3094 02:48:35,720 --> 02:48:38,320 Uh, treasure treasure ODL Spoon is correct. 3095 02:48:39,480 --> 02:48:41,360 The way that the data is laid out. 3096 02:48:42,280 --> 02:48:43,720 In our system right now. 3097 02:48:44,320 --> 02:48:48,840 Netflix there's a ranch that has 50 individual UPC's 50 different parcels. 3098 02:48:49,080 --> 02:48:55,840 Than in tighter the way it works is it it creates a bill for eqpc. It's not necessarily owner based like it wasn't triadic. 3099 02:48:57,290 --> 02:48:58,610 But there are ways. 3100 02:48:58,680 --> 02:49:00,760 That we're finding out to clean this up. 3101 02:49:01,280 --> 02:49:04,240 But right now our our main focus is to get. 3102 02:49:04,600 --> 02:49:05,800 These erroneous. 3103 02:49:06,600 --> 02:49:11,200 Accounts corrected I think we've corrected over 4500 accounts. 3104 02:49:11,720 --> 02:49:13,400 And that either had missing models. 3105 02:49:14,200 --> 02:49:19,770 Mismatched taxing areas, it goes on and on. So our focus right now. 3106 02:49:20,040 --> 02:49:23,360 Is to correct these errors that are going to affect the tax bills. 3107 02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:27,820 So we are focusing 1000% on that up until the day that we have to create the tax rolls, send it to the treasurer so that she can 3108 02:49:27,820 --> 02:49:31,560 submit it to be printed. 3109 02:49:32,920 --> 02:49:36,160 And even after the tax bills are mailed out, we're going to continue to. 3110 02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:40,200 To look at these accounts and be finding errors, then we'll. 3111 02:49:40,480 --> 02:49:40,960 And. 3112 02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:46,320 And we do have an insert going with each tax bill. 3113 02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:50,640 Let them know to look at it. If they have any questions, contact our offices. 3114 02:49:51,240 --> 02:49:55,120 We put both phone numbers on there and we anticipate that. 3115 02:49:55,200 --> 02:50:00,280 We're going to have some errors, but you know, I think every transition does, they're going to have some. 3116 02:50:02,600 --> 02:50:03,920 Fixes on them so. 3117 02:50:05,220 --> 02:50:08,740 We're trying to do our due diligence to get everything out there, let the public know, let the you know, community know. So that's 3118 02:50:08,740 --> 02:50:12,260 why we're having the community. 3119 02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:13,880 Outreach. 3120 02:50:14,360 --> 02:50:14,960 The 29th. 3121 02:50:16,040 --> 02:50:17,130 Like your focus? 3122 02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:18,760 To make sure that they're accurate. 3123 02:50:19,080 --> 02:50:20,640 And then we'll figure out the. 3124 02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:23,930 Bringing those together so we have one Bill. 3125 02:50:24,680 --> 02:50:26,360 Do you anticipate being? 3126 02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:30,040 Through your audit before the bills go out completely or what? 3127 02:50:30,870 --> 02:50:31,530 When is that? 3128 02:50:32,650 --> 02:50:34,130 Getting through the corrections. 3129 02:50:34,400 --> 02:50:37,200 Oh yeah, I mean, we're going to do our best I can. 3130 02:50:37,320 --> 02:50:38,880 Promise anything because this. 3131 02:50:39,700 --> 02:50:43,250 So many corrections that we receive on a weekly basis, it seems like. 3132 02:50:43,480 --> 02:50:46,520 We just received another one yesterday and was 600 errors. 3133 02:50:47,360 --> 02:50:50,360 So we're going to our staff is concentrating on that this week. 3134 02:50:52,310 --> 02:50:54,410 I mean, I can't guarantee you, but we're doing our best. 3135 02:50:54,520 --> 02:50:56,890 That's all I can say. I could promise that we are. 3136 02:50:57,000 --> 02:50:59,690 Dedicating every single day, every single hour. 3137 02:51:01,440 --> 02:51:02,440 You have to be done. 3138 02:51:03,550 --> 02:51:05,630 October. What did you say? 3139 02:51:07,960 --> 02:51:09,240 October you have about a month. 3140 02:51:09,600 --> 02:51:10,960 That's the deadline to mail. 3141 02:51:11,680 --> 02:51:14,090 No, that's to get the data file to the. 3142 02:51:14,200 --> 02:51:18,280 Printers so they can print it? Yeah, I have to have a mail by November 1st. 3143 02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:23,720 You all pay $0.82 a stamp like the regular person or do you get a book? Great. 3144 02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:25,560 We have a great. 3145 02:51:26,320 --> 02:51:26,880 I don't know. 3146 02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:29,360 I think it's $0.74 or 60%. 3147 02:51:30,440 --> 02:51:32,000 I'm trying to think before. 3148 02:51:32,520 --> 02:51:34,320 I think I think it's less. 3149 02:51:35,320 --> 02:51:36,200 You know we give you a break. 3150 02:51:36,680 --> 02:51:41,400 And they can combine all the bills into one envelope if they have the same exact name. 3151 02:51:41,720 --> 02:51:43,160 Our printers are good for that. 3152 02:51:44,040 --> 02:51:45,120 That's what I wanted to hear. 3153 02:51:45,800 --> 02:51:46,160 Thank you. 3154 02:51:49,280 --> 02:51:50,080 Come down here too. 3155 02:51:51,760 --> 02:51:54,640 Spinners training thought cheaped up any treasure. 3156 02:51:54,920 --> 02:51:59,690 We did already get a quote for the postage. It's a lot less than what we were anticipating. 3157 02:52:00,120 --> 02:52:03,920 With the file that we were able to send to them for the test, they're kind of giving us. 3158 02:52:04,920 --> 02:52:10,490 Like 17,000 for the postage and we budgeted what did we think 2525. 3159 02:52:10,720 --> 02:52:15,120 So it is going to be increased, but from what we're seeing. 3160 02:52:16,040 --> 02:52:18,160 It's not what we were anticipating. 3161 02:52:18,280 --> 02:52:22,560 And so the 15th of October is the date that we have to get the. 3162 02:52:23,240 --> 02:52:27,680 Final file to the printers in order to get them out by November 1st. 3163 02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:34,680 So we will get the file sooner from the assessors because what we do in our office is we send that file to the printers early. 3164 02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:40,840 They send us samples. We have a request, so we check the box for every single type of. 3165 02:52:41,080 --> 02:52:43,240 Taxing authority. 3166 02:52:43,800 --> 02:52:44,840 Exemption. 3167 02:52:44,960 --> 02:52:48,760 We check all of those and then they send us. It's about. 3168 02:52:49,800 --> 02:52:50,960 100 accounts. 3169 02:52:51,280 --> 02:52:52,720 They'll send us the samples. 3170 02:52:52,840 --> 02:52:55,600 We'll do our manual calculations, make sure everything's showing up. 3171 02:52:56,040 --> 02:53:00,330 And then that's whenever we'll give the go ahead on October 15th. 3172 02:53:01,220 --> 02:53:03,900 But also to go off of that so the D change. 3173 02:53:05,880 --> 02:53:08,040 The cutoff already hit on Friday. 3174 02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:11,200 For the changes for the 2026. 3175 02:53:11,350 --> 02:53:15,310 Taxes. So any of the deeds that are currently being recorded in the clerk's office. 3176 02:53:15,710 --> 02:53:21,110 Those ownership changes will not reflect in the 2026 tax bills. Those are going to reflect in the 2027. 3177 02:53:21,790 --> 02:53:26,870 Title companies are aware, that's why we went and spoke with them. They have handouts to give to each of the buyers. 3178 02:53:27,150 --> 02:53:29,670 To notify them to contact us. 3179 02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:30,670 That, uh. 3180 02:53:31,070 --> 02:53:34,590 So we can get them a copy of their bill because it'll have the previous owner. 3181 02:53:35,110 --> 02:53:38,710 So we're hitting the check marks right now and we're pretty close to. 3182 02:53:39,270 --> 02:53:40,110 Calculating. 3183 02:53:40,590 --> 02:53:44,670 Yeah, very good Commissioners. Anything else? 3184 02:53:47,500 --> 02:53:47,820 Thank you. 3185 02:53:48,510 --> 02:53:49,230 Thank you man. 3186 02:53:50,690 --> 02:53:51,720 Mr. Manager. 3187 02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:54,630 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, all the. 3188 02:53:55,520 --> 02:53:58,040 I just got to be very brief. I know we got to put other things to do. 3189 02:53:58,630 --> 02:53:59,830 Just quick on the EWP. 3190 02:54:02,030 --> 02:54:05,110 As an update, I know we had a conversation on that here on Wednesday. 3191 02:54:05,630 --> 02:54:07,510 Pretty in-depth, detailed update. 3192 02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:12,510 I just kind of numbers we have 366 properties that have applied. 3193 02:54:12,870 --> 02:54:14,710 264 that we have. 3194 02:54:14,830 --> 02:54:19,630 Appraisals Ordered 84 of those appraisals have been received, 44 of them have been completed and reviewed. 3195 02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:21,510 Then we're gonna have 18. 3196 02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:23,680 For you today to. 3197 02:54:23,790 --> 02:54:25,950 For consideration to proceed on to final offers. 3198 02:54:26,550 --> 02:54:31,390 So with that we've had 4 to date that are complete and have. 3199 02:54:31,550 --> 02:54:33,880 Offers on them and we'll review those today as well. 3200 02:54:35,250 --> 02:54:39,450 So that's moving along very well. We're starting the planning process to try to look at some of the demos with some that come up 3201 02:54:39,450 --> 02:54:43,650 just so that we have a plan in place and the coordination in in. 3202 02:54:44,430 --> 02:54:48,110 And we move forward with this efficiently as we've been talking and discussing. 3203 02:54:49,150 --> 02:54:53,790 As we just mentioned, we are going to schedule a town hall on September 29th to talk tax rates. 3204 02:54:54,350 --> 02:54:58,350 So we will get that out. We'll get that advertised as we get that finalized at BNM you. 3205 02:55:00,340 --> 02:55:01,700 In regards to Bonita Lake. 3206 02:55:02,270 --> 02:55:03,910 We have spoke with. 3207 02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:05,350 The city of Alamogordo. 3208 02:55:05,710 --> 02:55:07,030 They have another. 3209 02:55:07,590 --> 02:55:09,910 Council meeting on September 22nd. 3210 02:55:10,350 --> 02:55:14,400 That they're going to discuss this and then after that they're going to have further direction from the city. 3211 02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:19,750 In regards to which way they might be interested in proceeding and evaluating. So we'll have some further discussions with that 3212 02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:23,990 and bring that back to you with options and hopefully some. 3213 02:55:24,310 --> 02:55:26,710 A presentation on what? 3214 02:55:27,070 --> 02:55:28,990 We can do to ensure that stays open. 3215 02:55:29,670 --> 02:55:35,590 And, and I know we've touched on it and there's still some furthering concerns on the pile at 2:20. 3216 02:55:38,370 --> 02:55:41,170 In addition, the supporting Aaron and trying to find times to schedule the trainings, we have been talking with Miss Laura and 3217 02:55:41,170 --> 02:55:43,970 Nick. 3218 02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:46,070 About alternatives with what we can do. 3219 02:55:46,670 --> 02:55:48,880 Because at the end of the day, the. 3220 02:55:49,310 --> 02:55:53,990 We don't anticipate the we program stopping. That's something that's a program we want to continue. 3221 02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:57,510 And until we could find a permanent solution for what we're taking out of there instead of just piling it up at different 3222 02:55:57,510 --> 02:56:00,790 locations throughout the county. 3223 02:56:00,870 --> 02:56:03,150 We need to have final destination disposal. 3224 02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:09,150 As Nick or I think as Miss Laura mentioned earlier, we are working on coordination with A. 3225 02:56:09,870 --> 02:56:15,630 Phase two proposal for additional funding to continue that program, which will include final destination disposal. 3226 02:56:16,110 --> 02:56:20,320 So we understand that we need to have a final solution. 3227 02:56:21,350 --> 02:56:22,520 And we are working on. 3228 02:56:22,630 --> 02:56:23,870 Multiple options on that. 3229 02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:24,710 OK. 3230 02:56:33,190 --> 02:56:34,430 Any questions, Commissioners? 3231 02:56:36,310 --> 02:56:38,550 We're going to we're going to talk later about the. 3232 02:56:39,390 --> 02:56:40,310 The Fairgrounds. 3233 02:56:40,390 --> 02:56:41,070 Yes, Sir. 3234 02:56:41,750 --> 02:56:42,830 So we'll wait to that. 3235 02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:49,560 Since there's nothing else being asked. 3236 02:56:50,230 --> 02:56:54,430 Commented on. Let's move on to commissioners. Commissioner Wilson, do you have something to? 3237 02:56:55,430 --> 02:56:57,790 Just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, and the. 3238 02:56:58,150 --> 02:56:59,230 Thanks to this movie. 3239 02:56:59,430 --> 02:57:00,590 Pool room this morning. 3240 02:57:00,950 --> 02:57:02,390 Very healthy as long as we can. 3241 02:57:02,630 --> 02:57:05,030 Maintain a certain level of decorum. I think this is. 3242 02:57:05,550 --> 02:57:07,950 This is what's been talked about all morning. It's we, the people. 3243 02:57:08,510 --> 02:57:09,470 A lot of good feedback. 3244 02:57:10,110 --> 02:57:10,230 And. 3245 02:57:11,550 --> 02:57:14,590 Participate in government unless we show up. So I think everybody who did. 3246 02:57:25,450 --> 02:57:27,730 I'd just like to take a moment to thank the sheriff. 3247 02:57:28,750 --> 02:57:33,240 For having the courage and the respect for his office. 3248 02:57:33,750 --> 02:57:39,790 And affording the public the opportunity to speak out and engage in the manner that we did. 3249 02:57:40,510 --> 02:57:43,630 I truly appreciate you from the bottom of my heart and. 3250 02:57:45,190 --> 02:57:46,320 I just want to thank you. 3251 02:57:46,430 --> 02:57:47,110 For doing that. 3252 02:57:51,130 --> 02:57:54,250 I think I've spoken enough. Let's go ahead and have a break for 5 minutes. 3253 02:57:55,420 --> 02:57:55,940 Recess. 3254 02:57:58,070 --> 02:57:58,670 Go ahead. 3255 02:57:58,790 --> 02:58:00,310 And amount of recess. 3256 02:58:01,630 --> 02:58:04,270 We're going to try to answer this. 3257 02:58:04,390 --> 02:58:05,470 Diligently. Umm. 3258 02:58:05,550 --> 02:58:07,110 And with alacrity. 3259 02:58:08,030 --> 02:58:10,190 But it's pretty long, so I. 3260 02:58:10,390 --> 02:58:12,510 We may we may take a 30 minute break. 3261 02:58:12,990 --> 02:58:13,670 For lunch. 3262 02:58:14,450 --> 02:58:15,840 So we'll go ahead so. 3263 02:58:16,230 --> 02:58:16,870 Now. 3264 02:58:19,020 --> 02:58:20,220 We're in the action items. 3265 02:58:20,550 --> 02:58:25,290 Piece and the first piece is to approve the minutes from the regular Commission meeting. 8/18/26 The special Joint Commission 3266 02:58:25,290 --> 02:58:30,030 meeting. 3267 02:58:30,430 --> 02:58:34,550 2426, as well as a special Commission meeting that same day. 3268 02:58:35,990 --> 02:58:36,750 Before we. 3269 02:58:37,310 --> 02:58:39,310 Entertain a motion to approve. Are there any? 3270 02:58:40,360 --> 02:58:41,720 Needed corrections. 3271 02:58:42,870 --> 02:58:44,030 On any of these minutes. 3272 02:58:46,480 --> 02:58:50,600 I have one, Sir. You did? No, it's perfect. August 18th. 3273 02:58:50,710 --> 02:58:54,790 I accidentally put Wednesday August 18th instead of Tuesday August 18th up at the top. 3274 02:58:58,120 --> 02:59:00,920 I'll entertain a motion to approve these minutes with the. 3275 02:59:01,590 --> 02:59:03,190 The Clerk's. 3276 02:59:03,750 --> 02:59:04,670 On the 18th. 3277 02:59:04,830 --> 02:59:08,590 So, Chair, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the minutes from the regular Commission meeting. 3278 02:59:10,350 --> 02:59:11,670 Said Corrections. 3279 02:59:11,790 --> 02:59:12,350 Special Joining. 3280 02:59:13,350 --> 02:59:15,910 8/24/26 and Special Commission meeting 820. 3281 02:59:18,230 --> 02:59:18,750 2nd. 3282 02:59:19,270 --> 02:59:20,830 Madam Clerk, roll call, please. 3283 02:59:22,070 --> 02:59:22,990 Commissioner Chaves. 3284 02:59:23,150 --> 02:59:24,350 Yes, Commissioner Prager. 3285 02:59:24,910 --> 02:59:25,990 Yes. 3286 02:59:26,790 --> 02:59:33,470 Commissioner Sarah Chair, Fisher Aye Motion passes Monthly accounts payable and payroll report, August 2026. 3287 02:59:35,230 --> 02:59:36,710 This Billy Joel where? 3288 02:59:49,710 --> 02:59:52,630 It's still morning. Good morning, Commissioner, Good morning. 3289 02:59:53,270 --> 02:59:54,230 Chairman. Commissioner. 3290 02:59:54,710 --> 02:59:55,790 Really joking about us? 3291 02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:57,360 Finance Director. 3292 02:59:57,550 --> 03:00:04,870 I am requesting approval for the accounts payable and payroll for August 1st through the 31st and the amount of 4,000,065. 3293 03:00:05,350 --> 03:00:08,270 $1800.81. 3294 03:00:09,150 --> 03:00:13,030 Umm, do you have any questions on the checklist you. 3295 03:00:14,670 --> 03:00:16,350 I have some on the budget report. 3296 03:00:16,630 --> 03:00:19,390 On the budget, yeah, I don't think we have. 3297 03:00:19,750 --> 03:00:21,030 Just a couple SO. 3298 03:00:22,060 --> 03:00:23,380 Maybe you can help us out. 3299 03:00:24,470 --> 03:00:27,070 Manager, I'm sorry that the treasurer's in here. 3300 03:00:27,470 --> 03:00:27,870 But umm. 3301 03:00:28,670 --> 03:00:29,750 Just the one I've got. 3302 03:00:30,190 --> 03:00:31,110 I'm looking at. 3303 03:00:31,350 --> 03:00:32,870 Workers compensation. 3304 03:00:33,740 --> 03:00:34,960 General County government. 3305 03:00:36,980 --> 03:00:37,540 Excuse me? 3306 03:00:37,710 --> 03:00:39,950 And and so we know what time of the year we're at. 3307 03:00:40,350 --> 03:00:43,750 And I don't understand the 4.47% left. 3308 03:00:44,230 --> 03:00:45,110 For that which? 3309 03:00:45,270 --> 03:00:46,870 Suggest to me. 3310 03:00:46,990 --> 03:00:49,510 That we spent an awful lot on workers comp. 3311 03:00:49,710 --> 03:00:52,670 Are we in trouble that way? Are we trending up? 3312 03:00:53,580 --> 03:00:54,680 Do we have an issue? 3313 03:00:56,100 --> 03:00:58,500 Do you know what I'm talking about? Here is this page. 3314 03:01:00,680 --> 03:01:01,840 2 of 74. 3315 03:01:03,030 --> 03:01:04,190 Yeah, I see that the. 3316 03:01:04,870 --> 03:01:05,790 The payment of. 3317 03:01:06,230 --> 03:01:08,550 238,819. 3318 03:01:08,870 --> 03:01:12,830 Yes, ma'am, we get an invoice from New Mexico. 3319 03:01:14,850 --> 03:01:18,890 So this takes care of the year, takes care of the year pretty much. That's that's helpful. 3320 03:01:19,750 --> 03:01:20,270 Thank you. 3321 03:01:21,270 --> 03:01:23,790 And then I got a sort of a different question. 3322 03:01:25,500 --> 03:01:33,200 Lincoln County Carrizozo Animal Control, That's at 18. We're going to talk about this a little bit later, but 18 of 74. 3323 03:01:34,270 --> 03:01:35,630 We have 100%. 3324 03:01:35,750 --> 03:01:37,230 Left on that. 3325 03:01:37,350 --> 03:01:39,630 And I'm not sure what I understand is that. 3326 03:01:39,710 --> 03:01:41,710 We just haven't made payment to. 3327 03:01:43,990 --> 03:01:46,870 To you know, the SPCA or what? 3328 03:01:47,990 --> 03:01:49,230 Mr. Chairman, we have. 3329 03:01:49,390 --> 03:01:53,030 I do not think we have made payments this fiscal year. We did conclude. 3330 03:01:53,190 --> 03:01:54,790 Within last fiscal year? 3331 03:01:55,270 --> 03:01:59,790 OK, so this is Lincoln County Care Zozo Animal Control. Is that what we're calling? 3332 03:01:59,950 --> 03:02:01,590 Our support of SPCA. 3333 03:02:04,540 --> 03:02:09,540 That's that's yeah, humane. I'm sorry, 18 of 74. Thank you. 3334 03:02:10,070 --> 03:02:10,720 Thank you. 3335 03:02:10,830 --> 03:02:13,030 We have not paid them. We need the contract. 3336 03:02:13,270 --> 03:02:14,430 OK, well that's what I'm. 3337 03:02:14,590 --> 03:02:15,350 Confirming, yeah. 3338 03:02:17,320 --> 03:02:20,160 So we have a patent. So that's that's why that's there. 3339 03:02:22,860 --> 03:02:24,560 Talked about the generator. 3340 03:02:25,550 --> 03:02:29,110 It's really not generated to hook up. 3341 03:02:29,850 --> 03:02:30,770 How about the? 3342 03:02:31,750 --> 03:02:35,680 Courthouse generator. That's on page 25 to 74. 3343 03:02:36,440 --> 03:02:38,880 I'm using this as a tickler. 3344 03:02:38,950 --> 03:02:40,640 For me to ask questions. 3345 03:02:41,710 --> 03:02:43,470 So we've got a requirement. 3346 03:02:43,590 --> 03:02:47,950 And put a generator to support this facility, this whole compound. 3347 03:02:49,660 --> 03:02:53,560 And that's 380,000. Do you have any update on where, where that's going to go? 3348 03:02:54,670 --> 03:02:57,030 This is for the courthouse generator, Sir. 3349 03:02:58,390 --> 03:03:02,310 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, it's my understanding on that, that we are in design on that. 3350 03:03:03,550 --> 03:03:06,030 And once we receive that design, we will. 3351 03:03:06,590 --> 03:03:09,110 Look at procurement. I think the initial. 3352 03:03:09,710 --> 03:03:14,550 Anticipation is to use our on call contract, but if we need to bid that one out, being as large as it is, we can. 3353 03:03:15,070 --> 03:03:18,430 Called it though. OK, so when do you anticipate that happening? 3354 03:03:20,390 --> 03:03:23,150 Let me follow up on that, Sir, and I'll get an update out on that. 3355 03:03:23,310 --> 03:03:24,230 Appreciate that. 3356 03:03:24,550 --> 03:03:29,150 Page 47 of 74 EMS OPS 41.97% left. 3357 03:03:32,900 --> 03:03:34,000 Are we? Are we? 3358 03:03:34,430 --> 03:03:36,070 Underfunding this are we getting? 3359 03:03:36,190 --> 03:03:38,070 Higher rates of. 3360 03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:41,720 Zillion than we anticipated in our budget. 3361 03:03:43,790 --> 03:03:45,830 That's on page 47 of 74. 3362 03:03:46,390 --> 03:03:48,870 We have an encumbrance of 575,000. 3363 03:03:49,030 --> 03:03:50,110 Yes, so. 3364 03:03:51,030 --> 03:03:52,150 I believe that. 3365 03:03:52,270 --> 03:03:52,950 Is umm. 3366 03:03:55,670 --> 03:03:56,790 Let's start looking at the. 3367 03:03:58,720 --> 03:03:58,960 Umm. 3368 03:04:02,190 --> 03:04:04,390 I'm concerned about are we going to have enough? 3369 03:04:04,630 --> 03:04:05,550 By the end of the year. 3370 03:04:05,990 --> 03:04:09,830 I think we'll be fine on that, being that there's the incumbents. 3371 03:04:09,910 --> 03:04:13,270 For that for the 575,000 can you? 3372 03:04:13,350 --> 03:04:15,070 Can you bring that to our attention next? 3373 03:04:15,390 --> 03:04:16,390 Meeting. Sure. 3374 03:04:16,550 --> 03:04:17,190 Thank you. 3375 03:04:21,490 --> 03:04:22,280 We talked about. 3376 03:04:22,790 --> 03:04:26,920 Co and Tully bridges so I won't bring that up again. 3377 03:04:30,520 --> 03:04:33,800 2nd monthly payout on EMS which is on page. 3378 03:04:34,070 --> 03:04:35,710 11 of 41. 3379 03:04:35,870 --> 03:04:37,030 This is a check. 3380 03:04:39,140 --> 03:04:40,280 Now we're at check side. 3381 03:04:42,890 --> 03:04:47,330 So there's been some discussion and I wanted to talk to Todd. He's not here now. 3382 03:04:49,310 --> 03:04:52,080 I guess what I don't understand and I think it's important. 3383 03:04:52,230 --> 03:04:54,710 And maybe this is just Mark being stupid. 3384 03:04:55,530 --> 03:04:56,880 Which wouldn't be the first time. 3385 03:04:58,310 --> 03:04:58,430 EMS. 3386 03:05:00,710 --> 03:05:02,110 Is paid for by. 3387 03:05:02,390 --> 03:05:05,190 US and run by Presbyterian. Is that a correct statement? 3388 03:05:05,750 --> 03:05:06,430 No, no. 3389 03:05:08,630 --> 03:05:11,150 Mr. Chairman, I know this was a conversation we had. 3390 03:05:11,270 --> 03:05:14,310 While we were looking at doing an MO U for the ambulances. 3391 03:05:14,510 --> 03:05:18,590 Right, and we might need to get Madam Treasurer to come down here and fill in my. 3392 03:05:20,550 --> 03:05:23,030 Where I might lack an understanding but. 3393 03:05:23,430 --> 03:05:26,630 The way that this works is that, yes, Presbyterian. 3394 03:05:27,150 --> 03:05:30,230 Does manage EMS, but EMS is paid for. 3395 03:05:30,350 --> 03:05:33,790 As part of the mill levy that goes through the hospital, right? So it's not. 3396 03:05:34,030 --> 03:05:35,590 Necessarily the county. 3397 03:05:36,490 --> 03:05:38,040 Well, it is. It is. It is. 3398 03:05:38,190 --> 03:05:41,910 It is the taxpayers, but it is not us as the county. 3399 03:05:42,630 --> 03:05:44,550 It is going through the hospitals. 3400 03:05:44,710 --> 03:05:48,390 Did I say that right? 3401 03:05:48,710 --> 03:05:49,190 You did. 3402 03:05:50,750 --> 03:05:51,190 OK. 3403 03:05:53,270 --> 03:05:54,430 Are we going to have enough? 3404 03:05:54,550 --> 03:05:57,560 I guess we think we're going to have enough to get through the year on this. 3405 03:05:58,110 --> 03:05:58,830 So. 3406 03:05:59,470 --> 03:06:03,230 So how are we staffed on EMS throughout the county? Is that? 3407 03:06:03,790 --> 03:06:05,590 Are we 24 by 7 right? 3408 03:06:07,400 --> 03:06:09,400 Yes, 24 by 7. 3409 03:06:09,510 --> 03:06:14,270 It's our understanding they do have 24 hour coverage. I mean even here in Keras that stay at the. 3410 03:06:14,990 --> 03:06:15,110 EMS. 3411 03:06:16,310 --> 03:06:18,910 Across from the center. I thought that too so. 3412 03:06:19,070 --> 03:06:20,750 What's generating this? 3413 03:06:21,190 --> 03:06:22,350 Line of questioning. 3414 03:06:22,950 --> 03:06:24,270 Is that there's some? 3415 03:06:24,870 --> 03:06:28,710 Concern that at the, I think at the state legislature that we're not. 3416 03:06:29,190 --> 03:06:32,830 Having enough support for EMS and I'm just not sure I understand that. 3417 03:06:34,520 --> 03:06:35,760 I'll take that on myself. 3418 03:06:37,230 --> 03:06:39,270 I think we've got, we're paying for. 3419 03:06:39,710 --> 03:06:41,510 We have 24 by 7. 3420 03:06:41,630 --> 03:06:42,430 Coverage. Umm. 3421 03:06:42,910 --> 03:06:45,830 We're building a new building here in Carrizozo I think. 3422 03:06:46,030 --> 03:06:48,470 We've got something up in Corona, do we not now? 3423 03:06:49,480 --> 03:06:50,520 We haven't done that yet. 3424 03:06:51,590 --> 03:06:56,110 They asked for a generator this year is what we're supporting them with this year. 3425 03:06:56,390 --> 03:07:00,070 But we don't have, we don't have full time EMS up there. Is that true statement? 3426 03:07:00,190 --> 03:07:01,910 Mr. Wilson, Mr. Chairman, I think I. 3427 03:07:02,190 --> 03:07:04,430 If this is what you're talking about, it's. 3428 03:07:04,830 --> 03:07:06,150 Part of New Mexico. 3429 03:07:06,430 --> 03:07:07,230 Legislative, uh. 3430 03:07:07,350 --> 03:07:08,790 Initiatives was to. 3431 03:07:09,030 --> 03:07:10,710 Reclassify the EMS of. 3432 03:07:12,240 --> 03:07:15,120 Necessary service along with the sheriff and the emergency. 3433 03:07:15,910 --> 03:07:16,590 Response. 3434 03:07:18,310 --> 03:07:20,270 So just to reclassify them, we give them. 3435 03:07:20,750 --> 03:07:21,470 Avenues Group. 3436 03:07:22,230 --> 03:07:23,230 My name is Resources. 3437 03:07:24,550 --> 03:07:27,110 Yeah, I don't know if that's what you're alluding to or not, but. 3438 03:07:27,390 --> 03:07:28,790 I'm not sure either, I'm trying to. 3439 03:07:29,030 --> 03:07:30,670 Figure out what the solution is. 3440 03:07:31,070 --> 03:07:34,030 Why are we building a solution? We don't have a problem. Do we have a problem? 3441 03:07:34,630 --> 03:07:36,470 And coverage of EMS in the county. 3442 03:07:36,750 --> 03:07:37,910 Not in our county. 3443 03:07:38,310 --> 03:07:41,110 But in in county, statewide there there is issues. 3444 03:07:41,790 --> 03:07:43,710 OK, so we're taking care of our. 3445 03:07:43,830 --> 03:07:46,990 Our county sits favorable compared to many. 3446 03:07:47,830 --> 03:07:52,030 Have we looked at it would be interesting and I don't know who to ask on this one. 3447 03:07:52,230 --> 03:07:55,070 It would be interesting to know what our call times are. 3448 03:07:55,950 --> 03:07:58,070 Relative to to other areas. 3449 03:07:59,630 --> 03:08:02,470 I think I think I understand where that came from. 3450 03:08:02,550 --> 03:08:07,160 And I'm getting information that's incomplete and you've helped complete that for me. 3451 03:08:07,670 --> 03:08:09,830 But I want to make sure that the county is covered. 3452 03:08:10,150 --> 03:08:11,790 And we are. I thought we were. 3453 03:08:13,650 --> 03:08:15,130 Thank you very much, Mr. Wilson. 3454 03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:17,960 Chairman. Fisher, Commissioner. 3455 03:08:18,510 --> 03:08:22,070 I'm Sherry Huddleston, Lincoln County Treasurer. And the 500 fund they actually get. 3456 03:08:22,150 --> 03:08:24,910 State funds for training and equipment. 3457 03:08:25,270 --> 03:08:26,630 For each of the. 3458 03:08:26,870 --> 03:08:27,710 Different. Umm. 3459 03:08:28,750 --> 03:08:30,310 Locations in the county. 3460 03:08:30,390 --> 03:08:33,080 So that adds to it. That comes from the state. 3461 03:08:33,390 --> 03:08:35,470 OK, OK. 3462 03:08:37,780 --> 03:08:38,960 I think that's. 3463 03:08:39,550 --> 03:08:40,910 That's pretty much all I've got. 3464 03:08:43,180 --> 03:08:44,380 I have a question. 3465 03:08:46,190 --> 03:08:48,430 In the road department, vehicle fuel. 3466 03:08:48,590 --> 03:08:50,910 Line it looks like. 3467 03:08:51,310 --> 03:08:53,470 They've already encumbered 44th. 3468 03:08:53,670 --> 03:08:54,670 1000. 3469 03:08:56,790 --> 03:08:57,910 Commissioner Serna. 3470 03:08:58,470 --> 03:09:00,310 They also have the 421 fund. 3471 03:09:00,790 --> 03:09:05,870 And that's their extra gas fuel line. And so they build that up, they get. 3472 03:09:08,360 --> 03:09:10,640 Well, it's motor fuel vehicle taxes. 3473 03:09:10,950 --> 03:09:12,990 That they use, yeah, gas tax. 3474 03:09:13,110 --> 03:09:14,710 For that 421 fund. 3475 03:09:15,070 --> 03:09:19,750 So he utilizes what's in his fund and then he'll start using the 421 fund. 3476 03:09:20,490 --> 03:09:24,120 So it's guests reaching $6 a gallon or diesel. 3477 03:09:24,790 --> 03:09:26,710 Have we? Are we going to need a? 3478 03:09:26,910 --> 03:09:27,990 Budget adjustment. 3479 03:09:28,750 --> 03:09:33,150 Not yet, but we'll look, you know, in. 3480 03:09:33,350 --> 03:09:35,190 February or March and see how he's looking. 3481 03:09:39,310 --> 03:09:41,470 It's over $6 for Basil yesterday. 3482 03:09:43,470 --> 03:09:44,310 Get us all. 3483 03:09:46,030 --> 03:09:48,030 OK. Any other questions or comments? 3484 03:09:49,570 --> 03:09:50,640 Thank you very much. 3485 03:09:51,830 --> 03:09:52,590 Entertain a. 3486 03:09:52,990 --> 03:09:56,960 A motion to approve the Council payable and payroll for August 2026. 3487 03:09:59,610 --> 03:10:01,770 Mr. Chair, make a motion that we approve. 3488 03:10:02,230 --> 03:10:04,790 Accounts payable and payroll report, August. 3489 03:10:04,870 --> 03:10:06,950 2026, Thank you. Do we have a second? 3490 03:10:08,510 --> 03:10:09,470 Madam Clerk, please. 3491 03:10:11,790 --> 03:10:12,710 Commissioner Sarna. 3492 03:10:13,430 --> 03:10:19,360 Aye, Commissioner Chavez. Yes, Commissioner Prather, Commissioner Wilson, Chair Fisher, thank you very much. 3493 03:10:20,190 --> 03:10:23,310 Next is consideration to schedule a public hearing regarding. 3494 03:10:23,430 --> 03:10:25,230 Proposed amendments to Lincoln County. 3495 03:10:25,350 --> 03:10:27,550 Personnel policies and procedures. 3496 03:10:28,950 --> 03:10:32,990 I'll ask you, Manager Burns, to just highlight. 3497 03:10:33,270 --> 03:10:34,440 What we're trying to do there? 3498 03:10:35,870 --> 03:10:37,270 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. 3499 03:10:37,830 --> 03:10:39,190 So on this we have. 3500 03:10:40,280 --> 03:10:45,320 Our ordinance 2502, it has been open. We have been reviewing it with HR. 3501 03:10:46,470 --> 03:10:47,830 Madam Council and with. 3502 03:10:48,550 --> 03:10:49,470 Mark Allen from NMC. 3503 03:10:51,830 --> 03:10:53,950 We have reviewed it with the department heads. 3504 03:10:54,190 --> 03:10:54,950 And uh. 3505 03:10:56,070 --> 03:10:57,910 It has taken a significant. 3506 03:10:58,190 --> 03:10:59,110 Overhaul. Umm. 3507 03:10:59,830 --> 03:11:03,190 Primarily just to bring it up to current state, federal. 3508 03:11:04,510 --> 03:11:05,230 Standards. 3509 03:11:05,470 --> 03:11:06,270 And statutes. 3510 03:11:06,950 --> 03:11:07,510 So. 3511 03:11:09,300 --> 03:11:10,780 With that, we will. 3512 03:11:12,630 --> 03:11:14,720 We are wanting to bring that back. We are. 3513 03:11:15,470 --> 03:11:17,230 Doing a finalized review. 3514 03:11:17,630 --> 03:11:20,870 Before we send it out, we're going to have that sent out today. I know, I said, uh. 3515 03:11:21,310 --> 03:11:23,950 Yesterday. We will have that out today and I apologize. 3516 03:11:26,430 --> 03:11:29,590 But we will have that back out to department heads with the comments from NMC. 3517 03:11:30,070 --> 03:11:31,110 And Mark Allen? 3518 03:11:31,350 --> 03:11:36,430 For review and then the other thing I'd like to do with the Commission prior to bringing this back to you in October. 3519 03:11:37,270 --> 03:11:39,550 The public hearing is consideration to adopt. 3520 03:11:39,910 --> 03:11:43,430 Is I'd like to schedule an individual workshop that we can go over it individually. 3521 03:11:44,150 --> 03:11:45,670 That we will have Mark Allen at. 3522 03:11:45,910 --> 03:11:48,230 Because as much of an overhaul as it did. 3523 03:11:48,430 --> 03:11:50,910 Take and how many recommendations are in it so. 3524 03:11:51,030 --> 03:11:54,550 With that, what your item is here today is that we could schedule a public hearing. 3525 03:11:55,550 --> 03:11:57,150 For your Commission meeting on. 3526 03:11:57,270 --> 03:11:58,350 October 20th. 3527 03:11:59,110 --> 03:12:00,750 For potential consideration. 3528 03:12:00,830 --> 03:12:01,670 Of this ordinance. 3529 03:12:02,830 --> 03:12:04,070 Let me get this straight. 3530 03:12:04,470 --> 03:12:07,550 The the department heads will have the opportunity to review it. 3531 03:12:08,680 --> 03:12:10,120 With Mark Allen is that. 3532 03:12:10,190 --> 03:12:16,070 Is that the they are welcome to come to the public hearing. We're going to send it out as it currently is that has. 3533 03:12:16,430 --> 03:12:19,950 The Red Line revision with Mark Allen's comments about why he made the revisions that he did and, and and all the department heads 3534 03:12:19,950 --> 03:12:23,470 will get. 3535 03:12:23,830 --> 03:12:27,630 Copy it. Being able to look at that, yes, we've sent it out there prior. 3536 03:12:28,590 --> 03:12:29,510 Previously. 3537 03:12:30,990 --> 03:12:32,470 And now we're going to send it out again. 3538 03:12:32,710 --> 03:12:33,550 Is what we're gonna do. 3539 03:12:34,640 --> 03:12:37,640 Are we going to receive a copy tomorrow as well? 3540 03:12:37,830 --> 03:12:38,430 Today, uh. 3541 03:12:38,990 --> 03:12:40,510 You'll have it by the end of the day today. 3542 03:12:40,830 --> 03:12:44,390 And then we're going to have a workshop with Mark Allen present, yes. 3543 03:12:45,070 --> 03:12:46,550 Prior to a public hearing. 3544 03:12:47,750 --> 03:12:51,990 So that we can have any final revisions and then we'll get that advertised out with your Commission package. 3545 03:12:52,830 --> 03:12:54,110 As part of your public hearing. 3546 03:12:54,310 --> 03:12:55,630 Yes, that would be the intent. 3547 03:12:55,910 --> 03:12:59,030 Anything changes and all of that can be made prior to you the. 3548 03:12:59,110 --> 03:13:00,110 Publication. 3549 03:13:01,870 --> 03:13:03,030 Madam Commissioner. 3550 03:13:03,150 --> 03:13:07,270 If there are significant changes, yes, but I'm not expecting many this has been. 3551 03:13:08,620 --> 03:13:11,160 I expect comments but not significant changes. 3552 03:13:11,550 --> 03:13:16,070 Because I had over 100 changes from the original when it was first sent to me. 3553 03:13:16,230 --> 03:13:19,110 And so to be able to compare that with your. 3554 03:13:20,480 --> 03:13:21,640 Changes that are being. 3555 03:13:22,110 --> 03:13:24,910 Shown to us it's just concerning and I don't know if we're. 3556 03:13:25,630 --> 03:13:30,030 Going to be able to do our due diligence because you have three that you want to hold in October. 3557 03:13:30,260 --> 03:13:33,060 And so that's what my concern is that time management. 3558 03:13:33,500 --> 03:13:34,980 Your personnel policy. 3559 03:13:35,940 --> 03:13:37,860 Will be the largest one in October. 3560 03:13:38,340 --> 03:13:42,500 Your other two that we're going to discuss here in a minute, I feel are fairly minor and we've discussed. 3561 03:13:42,940 --> 03:13:43,780 A couple times. 3562 03:13:45,020 --> 03:13:48,220 And if we have significant changes that we need to. 3563 03:13:48,460 --> 03:13:53,660 Push the consideration in to November, then we can do that at the October meeting and we'll schedule another public hearing. 3564 03:13:54,180 --> 03:13:54,900 For November. 3565 03:13:57,230 --> 03:13:58,150 Without seeing. 3566 03:13:58,540 --> 03:14:01,860 For me to say yes, we will be ready in October. 3567 03:14:02,740 --> 03:14:07,060 I think it's a point he's making that if you're not ready in October, we'll move it to the November. 3568 03:14:07,890 --> 03:14:11,450 I'm confident in the product, in the product that we've developed. 3569 03:14:11,860 --> 03:14:12,900 Especially with. 3570 03:14:13,300 --> 03:14:14,740 The review of Mark Allen. 3571 03:14:15,680 --> 03:14:18,310 And the attorney then with HR going through and I'm. 3572 03:14:18,420 --> 03:14:19,700 Very confident in this. 3573 03:14:20,180 --> 03:14:21,180 I understand the. 3574 03:14:21,540 --> 03:14:23,340 Amount of changes that were there previously. 3575 03:14:23,540 --> 03:14:25,020 And we're probably very warranted. 3576 03:14:26,580 --> 03:14:28,220 I I think the updates we've made now. 3577 03:14:28,780 --> 03:14:31,980 Are very appropriate to what we have for a personal policy so. 3578 03:14:34,150 --> 03:14:35,790 And if you need more time. 3579 03:14:36,730 --> 03:14:38,450 We could move it to November. It's just. 3580 03:14:38,820 --> 03:14:39,420 Non problem. 3581 03:14:40,460 --> 03:14:41,380 Right now. 3582 03:14:42,740 --> 03:14:43,860 How's the problem? 3583 03:14:44,500 --> 03:14:50,040 Because I haven't even seen it in the amount of work that we'll have to put into reviewing it to be able to say in one month I'm 3584 03:14:50,040 --> 03:14:55,580 going to be prepared to speak on creating a policy. 3585 03:14:55,740 --> 03:14:56,300 Well, uh. 3586 03:14:58,180 --> 03:14:59,700 I yeah, I restated. 3587 03:14:59,780 --> 03:15:01,300 That if you cannot. 3588 03:15:02,740 --> 03:15:05,500 And you don't feel like you can acquaint yourself? 3589 03:15:05,660 --> 03:15:07,070 Where we can't make changes. 3590 03:15:07,340 --> 03:15:08,700 That we agree on. 3591 03:15:09,660 --> 03:15:11,340 Before the October meeting. 3592 03:15:11,740 --> 03:15:12,580 Series. 3593 03:15:13,100 --> 03:15:14,340 Then we will move it. 3594 03:15:14,500 --> 03:15:15,940 To the right to November. 3595 03:15:17,450 --> 03:15:18,990 I think that gives you the option that. 3596 03:15:19,140 --> 03:15:19,940 If you can't do it. 3597 03:15:21,490 --> 03:15:26,090 Mr. Chairman, so, yes, I have a point of clarification just for my understanding. 3598 03:15:26,540 --> 03:15:27,460 These. 3599 03:15:29,980 --> 03:15:31,220 Public hearings. 3600 03:15:31,580 --> 03:15:32,820 Meant to put. 3601 03:15:33,860 --> 03:15:36,220 To provide input into these changes. 3602 03:15:36,300 --> 03:15:37,140 That's correct. 3603 03:15:38,300 --> 03:15:43,500 So it's it's conceivable to say that even after a public hearing, we would want to make further changes. 3604 03:15:43,900 --> 03:15:47,580 We don't have to adopt any changes immediately after a public hearing. 3605 03:15:47,780 --> 03:15:49,900 So it is conceivable that we get this. 3606 03:15:50,180 --> 03:15:51,900 We provide our input. 3607 03:15:52,340 --> 03:15:53,340 To give the public and. 3608 03:15:53,500 --> 03:15:55,900 Option to provide their input in October. 3609 03:15:56,340 --> 03:15:57,540 And we still don't. 3610 03:15:57,940 --> 03:15:59,260 Adopt this until November. 3611 03:16:00,060 --> 03:16:01,580 I think that's absolutely true. 3612 03:16:02,370 --> 03:16:08,570 So scheduling the public hearing, I don't think they did an issue at this point because we would welcome any of that feedback. 3613 03:16:08,980 --> 03:16:10,060 It's just this. 3614 03:16:10,740 --> 03:16:11,620 The approval. 3615 03:16:12,180 --> 03:16:15,020 Yeah, it's the approval that can be kicked until November if. 3616 03:16:15,380 --> 03:16:16,500 And wind changes are. 3617 03:16:16,940 --> 03:16:17,780 Misses her. 3618 03:16:18,820 --> 03:16:23,160 I guess my concern would be whenever we publish the public hearing, we have to make available the ordinance itself to the public 3619 03:16:23,160 --> 03:16:27,500 for them to receive it and if. 3620 03:16:28,220 --> 03:16:33,085 Commission as a body hasn't been able to weigh in on the ordinance and that's what's being presented. These are the changes. It's 3621 03:16:33,085 --> 03:16:37,950 like these are not the changes by the Commission, these are the changes by. 3622 03:16:38,100 --> 03:16:38,860 The bureaucrats. 3623 03:16:40,820 --> 03:16:41,620 That's my concern. 3624 03:16:48,480 --> 03:16:49,550 So what you're saying? 3625 03:16:51,500 --> 03:16:53,060 That we need to meet. 3626 03:16:54,290 --> 03:16:55,330 Prior to. 3627 03:16:56,060 --> 03:16:56,940 Publishing. 3628 03:16:57,060 --> 03:16:58,300 The draft ordinance. 3629 03:16:58,980 --> 03:17:00,900 So that we can ensure that changes. 3630 03:17:02,240 --> 03:17:05,110 And then we're comfortable with what's being published, right? Right. 3631 03:17:05,340 --> 03:17:06,780 That's what I'm saying. 3632 03:17:10,070 --> 03:17:12,990 What's your timing with respect to? 3633 03:17:13,820 --> 03:17:15,540 This this workshop. 3634 03:17:17,090 --> 03:17:18,750 Do you have any idea on that? 3635 03:17:19,500 --> 03:17:20,180 I mean. 3636 03:17:22,340 --> 03:17:23,220 Mr. Chairman. 3637 03:17:25,400 --> 03:17:27,920 We had not picked a specific date yet. We were going to try to. 3638 03:17:28,060 --> 03:17:29,460 Coordinate that with the. 3639 03:17:30,020 --> 03:17:31,980 Commission, but even as early as next week. 3640 03:17:33,010 --> 03:17:34,270 Based on availability. 3641 03:17:36,940 --> 03:17:38,220 So that that might. 3642 03:17:38,700 --> 03:17:39,780 I'd be a little bit tight. 3643 03:17:45,900 --> 03:17:46,780 I think. 3644 03:17:47,660 --> 03:17:49,700 Let me make a suggestion to the Commission. 3645 03:18:09,220 --> 03:18:11,580 I think I think that the consideration to. 3646 03:18:12,260 --> 03:18:13,940 Absolutely close to November. 3647 03:18:15,060 --> 03:18:16,020 Particularly. 3648 03:18:17,820 --> 03:18:18,260 The. 3649 03:18:20,630 --> 03:18:25,390 The personnel policies and procedures, this is something that's extraordinarily important to everybody. 3650 03:18:25,500 --> 03:18:26,500 Particularly, yeah. 3651 03:18:26,940 --> 03:18:27,820 Our employees. 3652 03:18:28,020 --> 03:18:29,950 But also everyone in the community. 3653 03:18:31,100 --> 03:18:32,980 So slowing that down is not an easy reason. 3654 03:18:34,250 --> 03:18:35,470 Class in the sense that. 3655 03:18:36,180 --> 03:18:37,300 Once we have. 3656 03:18:37,500 --> 03:18:39,940 Our meeting with Mark Allen. 3657 03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:44,510 My hope is that we'll get enough information. 3658 03:18:44,740 --> 03:18:46,660 With respect to being able to. 3659 03:18:47,100 --> 03:18:48,420 Look at the draft. 3660 03:18:49,260 --> 03:18:50,940 Hear his explanations. 3661 03:18:51,870 --> 03:18:52,950 And then also. 3662 03:18:53,060 --> 03:18:55,340 Discuss it, perhaps amongst ourselves. 3663 03:18:55,460 --> 03:18:58,020 And we could have a special meeting or a workshop that. 3664 03:18:58,340 --> 03:18:59,540 Accommodate that, whatever. 3665 03:18:59,900 --> 03:19:01,300 The legal venue. 3666 03:19:03,040 --> 03:19:03,680 And then? 3667 03:19:04,380 --> 03:19:06,220 We can consider changes to it. 3668 03:19:08,550 --> 03:19:09,790 And with that. 3669 03:19:10,140 --> 03:19:12,780 That becomes what what is published for the? 3670 03:19:13,060 --> 03:19:14,340 Consideration of the. 3671 03:19:15,530 --> 03:19:16,510 Of the community. 3672 03:19:18,100 --> 03:19:19,180 Does that make sense? 3673 03:19:19,820 --> 03:19:21,620 Does that make sense to this? 3674 03:19:21,740 --> 03:19:22,740 This body. 3675 03:19:25,270 --> 03:19:27,350 One could imagine we could still have that. 3676 03:19:27,860 --> 03:19:29,260 That meeting next week? 3677 03:19:30,240 --> 03:19:33,160 One could imagine it. I don't know if that works for you, I know. 3678 03:19:34,650 --> 03:19:36,090 Time for a bunch of people here. 3679 03:19:38,540 --> 03:19:40,540 And let's workout. Let's workout the timing. 3680 03:19:42,200 --> 03:19:45,150 Get a consensus from the Commission, I'm pretty open. 3681 03:19:45,740 --> 03:19:49,660 But I have AI don't have the responsibilities that some of these people. 3682 03:19:53,860 --> 03:19:55,820 So the format I'm thinking. 3683 03:19:56,260 --> 03:20:00,780 Commissioner, I'm thinking the format with this meeting with Mark Allen, I think it's appropriate. 3684 03:20:01,630 --> 03:20:02,950 That we have him there. 3685 03:20:03,300 --> 03:20:06,085 We go through this line item by line item and I don't want the first time I see it. And you said you're going to send it out today 3686 03:20:06,085 --> 03:20:08,870 anyway. 3687 03:20:10,260 --> 03:20:12,780 To be that meeting, but at that meeting. 3688 03:20:13,300 --> 03:20:14,180 We can. 3689 03:20:14,420 --> 03:20:16,900 Agreed to any changes that we want. 3690 03:20:19,410 --> 03:20:23,030 If you know with Mark Allen there and council there and. 3691 03:20:23,180 --> 03:20:24,300 HR there. 3692 03:20:25,300 --> 03:20:27,180 You know, using them as resources. 3693 03:20:28,180 --> 03:20:30,420 And then at that time we can decide when. 3694 03:20:30,780 --> 03:20:32,380 We should actually have this. 3695 03:20:34,250 --> 03:20:35,770 This this public hearing. 3696 03:20:36,300 --> 03:20:37,950 OK. And that could be November? 3697 03:20:40,790 --> 03:20:41,830 It just depends on. 3698 03:20:42,620 --> 03:20:43,540 Time again. 3699 03:20:45,110 --> 03:20:45,630 Understood. 3700 03:20:45,940 --> 03:20:48,020 Is that are we good with that? 3701 03:20:48,780 --> 03:20:49,740 Commissioner Wilson. 3702 03:20:51,140 --> 03:20:56,660 So you pointed your finger up, I assume you wanted. Yeah, so, so I think, I think that that's reasonable. 3703 03:20:57,540 --> 03:20:58,860 I think it's we still need. 3704 03:20:59,180 --> 03:21:00,300 Schedule our public hearing. 3705 03:21:01,020 --> 03:21:05,100 With anticipation of being in October. With anticipation of doing it in October. 3706 03:21:05,660 --> 03:21:07,340 I think that's fine, you can always change it. 3707 03:21:08,980 --> 03:21:13,140 Could you inform us when Mark Allen to be available to sit down with us? 3708 03:21:13,860 --> 03:21:16,340 Mr. Commissioner, yes, we will coordinate that. 3709 03:21:18,380 --> 03:21:20,020 With the workshop it'll probably. 3710 03:21:20,420 --> 03:21:21,620 We'll get some dates and. 3711 03:21:21,700 --> 03:21:22,180 And get. 3712 03:21:23,020 --> 03:21:25,020 Because I'm in agreeance with you. 3713 03:21:25,420 --> 03:21:26,100 Commissioner Rosa. 3714 03:21:27,140 --> 03:21:27,940 About getting this. 3715 03:21:28,700 --> 03:21:29,180 Later. 3716 03:21:31,320 --> 03:21:31,880 So. 3717 03:21:34,380 --> 03:21:37,020 Instead, I would entertain a motion to approve. 3718 03:21:37,580 --> 03:21:39,260 Number three of the action items. 3719 03:21:40,040 --> 03:21:41,960 With the caveats that we just mentioned. 3720 03:21:43,820 --> 03:21:45,420 Move We schedule public hearing. 3721 03:21:50,930 --> 03:21:51,770 We have a second. 3722 03:21:52,220 --> 03:21:53,900 2nd that 4. 3723 03:21:54,500 --> 03:21:57,180 We're on October, yes, our next regular. 3724 03:22:02,120 --> 03:22:04,360 Work when you're ready. 3725 03:22:05,540 --> 03:22:06,860 Commissioner Wilson, Yes. 3726 03:22:07,380 --> 03:22:09,380 Commissioner Chavez. Commissioner Prather. 3727 03:22:09,740 --> 03:22:13,100 Aye, Chair Fisher. Motion passes 4:00 to 1:00. 3728 03:22:14,570 --> 03:22:21,110 Next is consideration to schedule a public hearing regarding proposed amendments in Lincoln County ordinance #20009-2. 3729 03:22:21,930 --> 03:22:25,150 It's rated related to the economic development planning. 3730 03:22:27,210 --> 03:22:27,930 Mr. Burns. 3731 03:22:29,620 --> 03:22:30,980 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. 3732 03:22:31,860 --> 03:22:32,980 Yet again we have a. 3733 03:22:33,580 --> 03:22:37,180 Request to schedule a public hearing on a revision to our Leader Ordinance. 3734 03:22:39,860 --> 03:22:41,180 This one we've had open. 3735 03:22:41,580 --> 03:22:43,820 For a few months we've been reviewing this with our. 3736 03:22:44,460 --> 03:22:48,140 Economic development loads with Jim Lacero and Kevin Wilson. 3737 03:22:48,820 --> 03:22:49,860 Also as well as. 3738 03:22:50,220 --> 03:22:51,260 Madam Treasurer. 3739 03:22:51,940 --> 03:22:55,280 It's my understanding on this that we were going to have a revision to the security requirements so that we can continue to use 3740 03:22:55,280 --> 03:22:58,620 the lead ordinance. This would be your. 3741 03:22:58,900 --> 03:23:01,020 Request to schedule a public hearing. 3742 03:23:01,540 --> 03:23:03,980 For your October meeting. 3743 03:23:04,140 --> 03:23:05,380 For those considerations. 3744 03:23:07,620 --> 03:23:12,550 And this will be the same this this is from my understanding, and maybe Madam Treasurer can explain it a little better. 3745 03:23:14,540 --> 03:23:18,580 A very minor change that we can get out. It's not an overhaul of the entire ordinance. 3746 03:23:22,420 --> 03:23:23,420 I have treasure. 3747 03:23:24,460 --> 03:23:27,380 Chairman Fisher. Commissioner Sherry Huddleston, Lincoln County Treasurer. 3748 03:23:27,540 --> 03:23:30,700 So an Alita funding they have to. 3749 03:23:31,420 --> 03:23:33,660 Right now we have them put up. 3750 03:23:34,900 --> 03:23:34,980 CD. 3751 03:23:35,980 --> 03:23:37,660 For the amount of the Lita. 3752 03:23:37,740 --> 03:23:39,220 Funds that they receive. 3753 03:23:39,620 --> 03:23:45,100 And we would like to change the ordinance to where they can do a letter of credit or something like that. 3754 03:23:45,380 --> 03:23:46,100 I mean. 3755 03:23:46,300 --> 03:23:46,900 You know the. 3756 03:23:47,260 --> 03:23:50,900 They've already received all the funding, they just have to finish it out and it takes. 3757 03:23:51,340 --> 03:23:53,820 Amount of time? Is it two years or something like that? 3758 03:23:54,180 --> 03:23:58,300 To finish the program, but I don't think it's fair that they have to have a CD. 3759 03:23:59,100 --> 03:24:00,150 Put with. 3760 03:24:00,860 --> 03:24:02,100 Tied to Lincoln County. 3761 03:24:03,880 --> 03:24:05,400 I think a letter of credit. 3762 03:24:05,700 --> 03:24:06,500 Would be. 3763 03:24:06,980 --> 03:24:07,700 You know, umm. 3764 03:24:10,110 --> 03:24:12,070 Equivalent to the CD. 3765 03:24:12,620 --> 03:24:14,460 And or any other. 3766 03:24:15,620 --> 03:24:17,460 I guess a bond or anything like that. 3767 03:24:17,580 --> 03:24:20,740 So the ordinance would just need to be changed to where we can accept the letter of credit from the person getting the lead of 3768 03:24:20,740 --> 03:24:23,900 funds. 3769 03:24:26,380 --> 03:24:28,300 Mr. Chair, I remember discussing this. 3770 03:24:29,300 --> 03:24:34,020 With the economic development division, when Jasper Riddle was asking for this and. 3771 03:24:34,420 --> 03:24:35,420 It was to. 3772 03:24:36,500 --> 03:24:38,380 Mirror what state statute? 3773 03:24:38,580 --> 03:24:40,740 Requires and not be more strict and so. 3774 03:24:43,580 --> 03:24:45,990 Yeah, I would have liked to have seen a draft or. 3775 03:24:46,140 --> 03:24:49,220 A red line version in our packet. It's very difficult to. 3776 03:24:50,020 --> 03:24:54,020 Make decisions without understanding what the backup material is. 3777 03:24:56,030 --> 03:24:57,750 So I remember that very well too. 3778 03:24:58,180 --> 03:25:01,500 There, this is kind of a different twist. 3779 03:25:02,220 --> 03:25:02,580 On. 3780 03:25:02,740 --> 03:25:04,660 On what I thought was going to be presented. 3781 03:25:07,340 --> 03:25:11,020 We had we have unnecessarily constrained. 3782 03:25:11,780 --> 03:25:14,380 The utility of that. 3783 03:25:14,580 --> 03:25:16,780 Leader, Those leader funds. 3784 03:25:17,300 --> 03:25:18,420 In this county. 3785 03:25:19,400 --> 03:25:20,880 I would I would like to. 3786 03:25:22,110 --> 03:25:23,430 I would like to have us. 3787 03:25:25,170 --> 03:25:26,290 Prefer with. 3788 03:25:27,020 --> 03:25:28,940 Our economic development department. 3789 03:25:29,660 --> 03:25:31,500 To ensure that that we're as. 3790 03:25:34,500 --> 03:25:41,460 That we are not overly constraining beyond what the state statutes require, state regulations require. 3791 03:25:41,820 --> 03:25:43,510 And I don't see that we've done that. 3792 03:25:44,690 --> 03:25:47,530 Is there some way it was presented earlier in? 3793 03:25:47,940 --> 03:25:49,260 I guess last year. 3794 03:25:49,660 --> 03:25:51,540 Yeah, and it was in there. 3795 03:25:52,020 --> 03:25:54,660 I don't know I I don't have those documents in front of me. 3796 03:25:57,250 --> 03:25:59,330 It would be nice to have you, can we? 3797 03:25:59,740 --> 03:26:01,740 Revisit this particular one because it. 3798 03:26:02,990 --> 03:26:06,750 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, and, and maybe this is my misunderstanding, that's the purpose of scheduling our public hearing so 3799 03:26:06,750 --> 03:26:10,510 that we can present this to you, so that we schedule this. 3800 03:26:11,220 --> 03:26:15,180 If that's my misunderstanding all all research is a little more and. 3801 03:26:15,860 --> 03:26:17,580 Revise how we present these to you. 3802 03:26:19,020 --> 03:26:19,180 So. 3803 03:26:21,690 --> 03:26:22,190 I just. 3804 03:26:22,540 --> 03:26:24,060 My concern here. 3805 03:26:24,260 --> 03:26:26,380 Is that we are. We are not addressing. 3806 03:26:26,580 --> 03:26:27,460 The original. 3807 03:26:27,540 --> 03:26:29,060 Problem that we had. 3808 03:26:29,460 --> 03:26:31,500 When we address this with Jasper Riddle. 3809 03:26:31,940 --> 03:26:33,020 In noisy water. 3810 03:26:34,420 --> 03:26:37,220 I just want to make sure that what you present to us. 3811 03:26:38,030 --> 03:26:39,030 Includes. 3812 03:26:39,740 --> 03:26:43,700 Those changes that need to keep it as loose as possible. 3813 03:26:43,820 --> 03:26:46,900 So that we comply with the state, but we don't constrain. 3814 03:26:47,140 --> 03:26:49,100 Our economic development in. 3815 03:26:49,220 --> 03:26:50,180 County of Lincoln. 3816 03:26:51,370 --> 03:26:51,810 So. 3817 03:26:53,880 --> 03:26:55,590 If you present that to us. 3818 03:26:57,090 --> 03:26:58,030 Beforehand. 3819 03:26:58,220 --> 03:27:02,540 I think we can go ahead and have a public hearing. It's a very minor change, as I recall. 3820 03:27:03,540 --> 03:27:05,100 And I'm OK with with. 3821 03:27:05,620 --> 03:27:08,020 Proposing a public hearing on the next. 3822 03:27:08,540 --> 03:27:09,220 The next. 3823 03:27:11,040 --> 03:27:15,270 Meeting that we have, but it's going to have to include verification that we have met. 3824 03:27:15,660 --> 03:27:17,100 You know, I want something from. 3825 03:27:18,170 --> 03:27:20,230 What was it? Mark Roper. He used to be there. 3826 03:27:20,820 --> 03:27:23,180 Kevin Kevin Wilson Kevin Wilson. 3827 03:27:24,060 --> 03:27:25,380 Sure, I want to make sure that they. 3828 03:27:25,580 --> 03:27:26,460 Kevin is. 3829 03:27:26,540 --> 03:27:29,100 Coordinating with this on on the revisions on this. 3830 03:27:29,220 --> 03:27:32,620 It is a very minor change and it is a result of Jasper's Lita. 3831 03:27:33,820 --> 03:27:34,660 So it is in there. 3832 03:27:34,940 --> 03:27:38,480 You're saying, no, Sir, that's what we're adding here. We, we, we revised the agreement for Jasper to be able to allow it, but 3833 03:27:38,480 --> 03:27:42,020 that is the. 3834 03:27:42,500 --> 03:27:48,220 This is the result of why we're doing it is so that when we do this again with a similar situation that. 3835 03:27:48,500 --> 03:27:52,005 It accommodates so that we don't have the issue again like we've had with Jasper. It wasn't. It was not clear to me in the 3836 03:27:52,005 --> 03:27:55,510 original discussion. 3837 03:27:55,820 --> 03:27:57,180 We were just talking about CD's. 3838 03:27:59,660 --> 03:28:01,500 This was more than that, as I recall. 3839 03:28:03,980 --> 03:28:05,460 Am I wrong in that? Do you know? 3840 03:28:06,740 --> 03:28:07,740 No, that's the way I recall it. 3841 03:28:08,500 --> 03:28:12,940 I will entertain a motion to to have that public hearing then. 3842 03:28:13,100 --> 03:28:14,860 But I want to make sure that that. 3843 03:28:15,660 --> 03:28:16,580 Kevin Wilson. 3844 03:28:17,490 --> 03:28:19,110 That we're complying with. 3845 03:28:19,220 --> 03:28:20,140 The requirement. 3846 03:28:20,260 --> 03:28:22,500 But not we're not constraining the county. 3847 03:28:23,280 --> 03:28:24,640 We need economic develop. 3848 03:28:27,020 --> 03:28:29,260 We will ask them to be at your next meeting, Sir. 3849 03:28:29,540 --> 03:28:31,740 OK, so therefore. 3850 03:28:31,860 --> 03:28:34,980 Do you have something else? My same concern lies. 3851 03:28:35,180 --> 03:28:36,980 We're not going to be able to. 3852 03:28:37,220 --> 03:28:40,380 Review it before it's published and made available to the public. 3853 03:28:41,580 --> 03:28:43,780 Once again, we're saying this is the changes. 3854 03:28:43,860 --> 03:28:47,020 Presented by the governing body, but we haven't seen it. 3855 03:28:48,940 --> 03:28:51,860 How can I compare a state statute to a local ordinance? 3856 03:28:52,020 --> 03:28:55,620 And say, come pick up your ordinance. This is what the Commission wants to revise. 3857 03:28:56,680 --> 03:29:03,640 Our feet are being cut from under us because we're the policy making body, but we're not given the policy before we publish it. 3858 03:29:06,760 --> 03:29:08,390 Mr. Chairman, Madam Commissioner. 3859 03:29:08,940 --> 03:29:12,020 Respectfully, I mean, again, kind of Commissioner Wilson's point. 3860 03:29:12,500 --> 03:29:17,020 The whole point of the public hearing is so that can be considered and published even with your revisions. 3861 03:29:17,100 --> 03:29:19,460 We're getting it out to you earlier so you can review it. 3862 03:29:19,780 --> 03:29:24,860 And hopefully make some changes prior to the meeting, but it's also for review and discussion during your October meeting. 3863 03:29:26,000 --> 03:29:29,880 October 6th would be your deadline to have this available to the public. 3864 03:29:30,980 --> 03:29:34,460 And if we change it during your public meeting, then that will be the direction of the Commissioner. 3865 03:29:36,100 --> 03:29:39,900 So we're going to get it out to you. We'll get this one out as soon as we finalize the revisions. 3866 03:29:42,580 --> 03:29:44,740 So you can have some pre look at it if we have. 3867 03:29:44,860 --> 03:29:46,020 Prior comments, but. 3868 03:29:49,380 --> 03:29:54,860 Not a single commissioner's comments will not be incorporated into the ordinance revisions prior to October 6. 3869 03:29:55,260 --> 03:30:00,230 I guess you're correct on that, but when you have comments on October 20th, they will be incorporated. 3870 03:30:02,530 --> 03:30:03,370 Well, the comments. 3871 03:30:03,980 --> 03:30:06,020 Yeah, comments will be considered. 3872 03:30:06,220 --> 03:30:07,380 The body will prove it. 3873 03:30:09,190 --> 03:30:12,070 So I I'm I'm OK with that. 3874 03:30:16,020 --> 03:30:17,340 We schedule a public hearing. 3875 03:30:17,660 --> 03:30:19,860 For the proposed amendment to the ordinance. 3876 03:30:27,360 --> 03:30:27,880 Madam Clerk. 3877 03:30:31,170 --> 03:30:31,970 Commissioner Serna. 3878 03:30:32,420 --> 03:30:34,260 No, Commissioner Wilson, Yes. 3879 03:30:34,580 --> 03:30:39,300 Commissioner Chavez, Chair Fisher. Motion passes 4:00 to 1:00. 3880 03:30:41,140 --> 03:30:42,220 The next is a. 3881 03:30:42,580 --> 03:30:46,380 Consideration Schedule a public hearing on October 20th, 2026. 3882 03:30:47,230 --> 03:30:49,590 Modification adoption. Solid waste collection is closed. 3883 03:30:50,460 --> 03:30:55,820 We talked about this a number of times already. 3884 03:30:58,690 --> 03:30:59,730 Give us an update. 3885 03:31:00,260 --> 03:31:04,260 So Sir Ross Coleman, Director of Strategic Planning and Resilience. 3886 03:31:04,620 --> 03:31:10,420 Stephanie has been working on a lot of the comments that you had from the previous meeting a few months ago. 3887 03:31:10,580 --> 03:31:13,380 She's been going through all of the collections. 3888 03:31:13,660 --> 03:31:15,260 Looking at the fee structure. 3889 03:31:15,420 --> 03:31:21,830 And so I believe that she is ready for us to move forward with a public hearing so we can discuss those items. 3890 03:31:21,980 --> 03:31:23,340 So that we can decide. 3891 03:31:23,580 --> 03:31:25,500 How you would like to move forward? 3892 03:31:25,820 --> 03:31:26,860 Move forward adoption. 3893 03:31:32,380 --> 03:31:33,180 Commissioners. 3894 03:31:36,110 --> 03:31:37,910 Once again after reviewing. 3895 03:31:37,980 --> 03:31:40,380 The ordinance that was provided to us in our. 3896 03:31:41,540 --> 03:31:44,540 August meeting for the public hearing they were going to schedule. 3897 03:31:44,740 --> 03:31:48,750 I have a few changes that I would like for the body to consider. 3898 03:31:48,900 --> 03:31:50,300 Before it's published. 3899 03:31:50,420 --> 03:31:51,300 To the public. 3900 03:31:54,090 --> 03:31:56,610 And that's what being able to put eyes on it, I just. 3901 03:31:57,220 --> 03:31:58,060 Right off the bat. 3902 03:32:00,520 --> 03:32:01,120 If you look at the. 3903 03:32:01,380 --> 03:32:03,820 Hardship waiver there's no defined. 3904 03:32:04,580 --> 03:32:08,360 Hardship, You know, if you go apply for public assistance, they say you must be under a percentage of the federal poverty 3905 03:32:08,360 --> 03:32:12,140 guideline. 3906 03:32:12,460 --> 03:32:14,140 Ours is just open-ended. 3907 03:32:20,960 --> 03:32:22,360 I agree that needs to be tightened up. 3908 03:32:23,760 --> 03:32:25,400 And then there's another part. 3909 03:32:26,730 --> 03:32:28,890 I don't think that I'm on it directly. 3910 03:32:29,660 --> 03:32:31,580 It says a hardship waiver can be. 3911 03:32:31,860 --> 03:32:36,420 Submitted to the county manager and also appealed by the county manager. 3912 03:32:37,730 --> 03:32:41,310 That doesn't seem right either. The appeal needs to be by a different individual. 3913 03:32:42,200 --> 03:32:43,680 Such as the governing bot. 3914 03:32:47,770 --> 03:32:49,110 I concur with that as well. 3915 03:32:49,780 --> 03:32:51,300 And there's another one that. 3916 03:32:51,580 --> 03:32:54,820 Speaks about the commercial dumpsters. I don't think that. 3917 03:32:55,660 --> 03:32:57,860 It's the duty of the government. 3918 03:32:57,940 --> 03:33:00,460 To limit. 3919 03:33:00,540 --> 03:33:02,020 Commercial activity, you know. 3920 03:33:02,620 --> 03:33:04,900 In the unincorporated areas of Lincoln County. 3921 03:33:05,580 --> 03:33:06,820 Have it in our ordinance. 3922 03:33:09,860 --> 03:33:10,420 I agree. 3923 03:33:14,820 --> 03:33:18,740 Commissioners, would it be acceptable to take some of these changes today? 3924 03:33:18,820 --> 03:33:20,980 Have our public meeting. 3925 03:33:21,340 --> 03:33:25,060 Public hearing in October, work on changes and then bring it back to you in November. 3926 03:33:26,290 --> 03:33:28,790 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners saying the other way of comments. 3927 03:33:29,820 --> 03:33:32,100 We've looked at this multiple times. 3928 03:33:32,940 --> 03:33:37,660 And incorporated the comments and and what our understanding of the Commission was and and with some. 3929 03:33:38,020 --> 03:33:39,230 Additional details. 3930 03:33:40,020 --> 03:33:41,580 We can incorporate those, but. 3931 03:33:41,780 --> 03:33:45,220 Scheduling the public hearing and moving through the process and you know. 3932 03:33:45,540 --> 03:33:50,300 I guess what we're going to do is I'll sit down with Director Coleman and Stephanie and we're going to really take a look at. 3933 03:33:50,690 --> 03:33:56,690 You know our processes of how we conduct ordinances as we open these revisal and bring them back to you. 3934 03:33:57,210 --> 03:34:01,970 To make sure that they're compliant with state statute and up to the expectations of the Commission. 3935 03:34:05,340 --> 03:34:06,780 Well, what I'd like to do. 3936 03:34:07,170 --> 03:34:09,370 What I would like to do, I'd feel more comfortable with. 3937 03:34:10,890 --> 03:34:12,210 Is that we? 3938 03:34:12,610 --> 03:34:13,770 See these. 3939 03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:15,800 This revised. 3940 03:34:15,970 --> 03:34:18,450 Ordinance Suggested. Proposed ordinance. 3941 03:34:19,130 --> 03:34:19,660 Again. 3942 03:34:21,150 --> 03:34:24,340 And I'd like to incorporate some of these changes we just talked about. 3943 03:34:24,770 --> 03:34:26,730 For our review. 3944 03:34:29,170 --> 03:34:30,370 We can do that online. 3945 03:34:31,310 --> 03:34:32,470 I have another comment. 3946 03:34:34,140 --> 03:34:43,300 I have reached out to Alan Merrill and Alex Bobbitt on questions regarding the settlement agreement in JPA with Greentree. 3947 03:34:43,570 --> 03:34:45,210 Because they have concerns. 3948 03:34:45,330 --> 03:34:47,530 With the solid waste ordinance change. 3949 03:34:48,250 --> 03:34:51,730 I think it'd be prudent of us to have a meeting as a body with. 3950 03:34:52,130 --> 03:34:53,770 Green tree to. 3951 03:34:54,290 --> 03:34:56,730 Hear their concerns at a minimum and. 3952 03:34:56,850 --> 03:35:02,410 Ensure that our new solid waste ordinance is not in violation of the settlement agreement that we have entered into with them. 3953 03:35:05,710 --> 03:35:07,140 And I agree with that also. 3954 03:35:11,420 --> 03:35:13,580 I just want to make sure we're doing our due diligence, yes. 3955 03:35:17,800 --> 03:35:18,520 OK. 3956 03:35:22,350 --> 03:35:24,390 My suggestion is that we table this. 3957 03:35:27,090 --> 03:35:30,890 Move and accept a motion to table this to our next meeting. 3958 03:35:31,450 --> 03:35:33,250 With the with the. 3959 03:35:35,450 --> 03:35:36,210 Requirement. 3960 03:35:36,970 --> 03:35:38,850 That we review it again. 3961 03:35:40,530 --> 03:35:41,770 We can do that offline. 3962 03:35:42,090 --> 03:35:47,210 But we need to have scheduled a meeting with Greentree. That's council. Was that your? 3963 03:35:47,610 --> 03:35:48,810 Is that your advice? 3964 03:35:49,610 --> 03:35:50,210 We're good enough. 3965 03:35:53,930 --> 03:35:57,150 I'm not sure how because I'm not sure how Greentree plays with this, but we do have a settlement agreement. I don't know what that 3966 03:35:57,150 --> 03:36:00,370 settlement agreement says. 3967 03:36:01,290 --> 03:36:05,250 So if there's a concern from your side as our county. 3968 03:36:06,710 --> 03:36:09,580 Lawyer. Then I suppose we should do that. 3969 03:36:11,570 --> 03:36:12,290 You agree? 3970 03:36:13,330 --> 03:36:16,130 OK, so let's I'll accept a motion to table this. 3971 03:36:16,650 --> 03:36:18,130 To our next regular meeting. 3972 03:36:19,080 --> 03:36:20,780 And in the meantime, we need to. 3973 03:36:20,970 --> 03:36:22,610 Operate some of those changes. 3974 03:36:23,650 --> 03:36:24,610 As a suggestion. 3975 03:36:25,010 --> 03:36:28,090 More and also need to meet this tree tree. 3976 03:36:29,330 --> 03:36:31,970 Mr. Chavez, you are a member of that board, are you not? 3977 03:36:33,440 --> 03:36:40,400 So would you make sure that that meeting that we get to meet with them? I have a meeting with them on the 17th, on the 17th. 3978 03:36:40,650 --> 03:36:43,130 Thursday. Thursday, yeah. 3979 03:36:43,730 --> 03:36:44,890 I'll make sure that we. 3980 03:36:45,710 --> 03:36:49,540 They're informed and we'll see when we can schedule a meeting and then. 3981 03:36:50,290 --> 03:36:54,010 Is that something we want to have multiple commissioners at and plus our? 3982 03:36:54,210 --> 03:36:55,250 Legal uh uh. 3983 03:36:56,090 --> 03:36:56,730 Little team. 3984 03:36:57,250 --> 03:36:59,690 I would like to invite them into executive session. 3985 03:37:01,640 --> 03:37:03,920 Mr. Manager on the. 3986 03:37:04,530 --> 03:37:06,770 Proxy for that board, so I'd be willing to go and. 3987 03:37:07,970 --> 03:37:09,690 Take part in that green tree meeting as well. 3988 03:37:13,610 --> 03:37:13,930 OK. 3989 03:37:18,330 --> 03:37:22,010 You got the meeting on the 17th, you said Thursday, Thursday. 3990 03:37:22,410 --> 03:37:25,890 So. So why don't the two of you attend that meeting? 3991 03:37:27,050 --> 03:37:29,220 And figure out where we stand with this. 3992 03:37:30,320 --> 03:37:31,220 And I don't know. 3993 03:37:31,990 --> 03:37:34,340 You know the county manager, you probably should go as well. 3994 03:37:34,450 --> 03:37:35,890 From this particular. 3995 03:37:36,330 --> 03:37:37,010 Subject uh. 3996 03:37:37,090 --> 03:37:37,970 So you're there. 3997 03:37:38,650 --> 03:37:39,650 And we'll discuss it. 3998 03:37:39,970 --> 03:37:41,130 And then come back. 3999 03:37:41,810 --> 03:37:43,850 Come back on our October meeting. 4000 03:37:44,370 --> 03:37:48,530 And we'll discuss your findings and any changes that need to be made. 4001 03:37:51,020 --> 03:37:56,100 Is that reasonable? Well, the problem is there is that we're not going to be on the agenda. So we. 4002 03:37:56,250 --> 03:37:58,250 It's on the agenda. Oh, is it on the agenda? 4003 03:37:59,010 --> 03:38:01,970 OK, all right, look at it. Yes, she sent it to all three of us. 4004 03:38:04,040 --> 03:38:04,960 Mr. Chairman, I will. 4005 03:38:07,370 --> 03:38:10,190 We've had some concerns previously about Open Meetings Act. We're going to have three commissioners there discussing county 4006 03:38:10,190 --> 03:38:13,010 business. 4007 03:38:13,210 --> 03:38:15,250 I don't know that a potential quorum will cover that. 4008 03:38:16,130 --> 03:38:18,890 I will be at the meeting Thursday. I'll let you all handle that. I'm assigned to other boards and committees. Thank you, 4009 03:38:18,890 --> 03:38:21,650 Commissioner. 4010 03:38:22,530 --> 03:38:23,850 It'll just be those two. 4011 03:38:26,430 --> 03:38:27,430 All right, plus you. 4012 03:38:28,010 --> 03:38:28,530 Plus, umm. 4013 03:38:29,250 --> 03:38:31,730 Loss, perhaps, and I'd like to have a lawyer there. 4014 03:38:33,650 --> 03:38:35,530 So I'll accept the motion to. 4015 03:38:36,330 --> 03:38:37,690 To table this. 4016 03:38:41,890 --> 03:38:43,650 I make a motion that we. 4017 03:38:44,410 --> 03:38:45,850 Table action item. 4018 03:38:45,970 --> 03:38:47,890 #5 until next meeting. 4019 03:38:49,080 --> 03:38:49,700 2nd. 4020 03:38:50,530 --> 03:38:51,090 Madam Clerk. 4021 03:38:54,400 --> 03:38:55,100 Commissioner Chavez. 4022 03:38:55,810 --> 03:38:57,330 Yes, Commissioner Sarna. 4023 03:38:58,050 --> 03:39:00,090 Aye, Commissioner Frather. 4024 03:39:00,290 --> 03:39:01,330 Commissioner Wilson. 4025 03:39:01,930 --> 03:39:04,250 Yes, Chair Fisher Motion. 4026 03:39:06,130 --> 03:39:06,730 All right. 4027 03:39:09,290 --> 03:39:09,930 Thank you. 4028 03:39:10,850 --> 03:39:13,140 This is a tough one because nobody likes it. 4029 03:39:13,850 --> 03:39:14,850 But we have to have it. 4030 03:39:21,050 --> 03:39:21,970 So it's sensitive. 4031 03:39:23,190 --> 03:39:28,430 Next is consideration of Colonious Infrastructure Project Fund Agreement 1676 and resolution. 4032 03:39:28,610 --> 03:39:29,930 2027. 4033 03:39:30,170 --> 03:39:32,210 Dash 10 and I think that's Mr. 4034 03:39:34,530 --> 03:39:39,530 Yes, Sir, Chairman Fisher Commissioners Jeff Honeycutt, Lincoln County Road Superintendent. 4035 03:39:41,610 --> 03:39:44,770 This is the drainage design. 4036 03:39:46,520 --> 03:39:48,400 Keep going up there. No, you're fine. Keep going. 4037 03:39:49,250 --> 03:39:50,530 For Alamo Canyon. 4038 03:39:51,130 --> 03:39:57,650 It's part of the Colonias Grand. It's a $204,000 grant with the 20,450. 4039 03:39:57,850 --> 03:39:59,330 $5 match I believe. 4040 03:40:00,130 --> 03:40:03,330 So there would be $184,000. 4041 03:40:03,450 --> 03:40:04,930 That's part of the grant and. 4042 03:40:05,050 --> 03:40:10,410 Included in that is also $20,454.00 of a loan. 4043 03:40:10,850 --> 03:40:11,570 That we have to. 4044 03:40:11,770 --> 03:40:15,050 Apply for it. What this does, essentially is. 4045 03:40:15,290 --> 03:40:17,370 It gives us an idea. We get the drainage. 4046 03:40:17,770 --> 03:40:21,110 Uh, study done in there, we get some of the design work done the right of way established and that way when we do need to go out 4047 03:40:21,110 --> 03:40:24,450 and get. 4048 03:40:24,730 --> 03:40:25,450 Bigger. 4049 03:40:25,690 --> 03:40:26,850 Sums of money. 4050 03:40:27,450 --> 03:40:31,540 To do road work or drainage repair will have this thing already in place. 4051 03:40:31,890 --> 03:40:37,930 In the Colonius grant, which has worked very well for us in the past when we already have a project designed. 4052 03:40:38,610 --> 03:40:39,810 And ready to go. 4053 03:40:39,970 --> 03:40:43,770 It's almost like Step 2 of getting the additional money. 4054 03:40:45,050 --> 03:40:46,650 So that's what this one is about. 4055 03:40:47,330 --> 03:40:48,450 For Alamo candy. 4056 03:40:48,970 --> 03:40:50,170 Does that start from? 4057 03:40:50,410 --> 03:40:54,530 The right away the county all the way to the end. That is correct, Sir. 4058 03:40:55,400 --> 03:40:59,860 Including the low water crossings. We'll just study the whole thing. Let's see what we need to do. 4059 03:41:00,930 --> 03:41:05,770 Of course, $200,000 is not going to cover the complete design of a nine mile roadway. 4060 03:41:06,050 --> 03:41:11,690 But it will get us started and see what we need to do and what areas we need to focus our attention on. 4061 03:41:12,130 --> 03:41:12,900 The most? 4062 03:41:15,500 --> 03:41:17,700 So this is already incorporated into what? 4063 03:41:17,930 --> 03:41:19,370 Has been done to element Gators. 4064 03:41:19,810 --> 03:41:21,170 Already Or is it? 4065 03:41:21,250 --> 03:41:23,450 Is this an extension of that? 4066 03:41:23,650 --> 03:41:26,210 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Chavez, this is not. 4067 03:41:26,610 --> 03:41:33,650 Incorporated into what we did before, there was just a micro surface, type 4 micro surface that was just kind of a maintenance. 4068 03:41:34,010 --> 03:41:34,730 Project. 4069 03:41:35,770 --> 03:41:40,210 It was kind of an exploratory deal on our part. We wanted to see if it would work with. 4070 03:41:40,370 --> 03:41:44,450 About putting it on top of chip seal that went down on the existing roadway surface. 4071 03:41:44,850 --> 03:41:46,650 And to this point, it's held up well. 4072 03:41:46,890 --> 03:41:49,810 But it was a maintenance project, it's not part of the bigger. 4073 03:41:49,930 --> 03:41:52,010 Design if it ends up holding up. 4074 03:41:52,090 --> 03:41:54,700 And still performing like it has to this point. 4075 03:41:54,970 --> 03:42:00,650 It could be a very inexpensive option for us to continue that along Alamo Canyon. 4076 03:42:01,490 --> 03:42:04,850 But we'll find some of the deficiencies when we do the drainage study. 4077 03:42:05,130 --> 03:42:06,770 Of where we're getting the most. 4078 03:42:07,290 --> 03:42:10,330 Flows in some of the areas that could need to be corrected. 4079 03:42:13,590 --> 03:42:15,030 And this is colonial. 4080 03:42:17,750 --> 03:42:18,870 Thank you, Jeff. Yes, Sir. 4081 03:42:21,550 --> 03:42:22,390 Motion to approve. 4082 03:42:22,970 --> 03:42:24,810 Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve. 4083 03:42:25,710 --> 03:42:26,710 The Commission. 4084 03:42:27,770 --> 03:42:31,530 231676 and resolution 202713. 4085 03:42:34,270 --> 03:42:36,220 Clerk, please. 4086 03:42:37,370 --> 03:42:38,290 Commissioner Wilson. 4087 03:42:38,570 --> 03:42:39,370 Commissioner Serna. 4088 03:42:39,770 --> 03:42:42,850 I Commissioner Prather, Aye, Commissioner Chapman Chair Fisher. 4089 03:42:43,610 --> 03:42:44,210 Aye, Motion. 4090 03:42:45,090 --> 03:42:45,810 Thank you. 4091 03:42:46,410 --> 03:42:46,980 Thank you. 4092 03:42:47,250 --> 03:42:48,850 Let us sit there. Yes, Sir. 4093 03:42:49,090 --> 03:42:49,650 Thank you. 4094 03:42:50,690 --> 03:42:56,330 Consideration of budget adjustment award, IFB 26-03, ARCO and Tully Bridges. 4095 03:42:57,270 --> 03:43:00,470 This is the one that we talked about briefly before. 4096 03:43:03,010 --> 03:43:07,050 We don't currently have any funding for this additional amount of money, do we? That is correct, Chairman Fisher. I'm Jeff 4097 03:43:07,050 --> 03:43:11,090 Honeycutt, the Lincoln County road Superintendent. 4098 03:43:11,490 --> 03:43:13,730 We did put this out to bid twice. 4099 03:43:14,010 --> 03:43:16,820 Of same contractor bid it twice. 4100 03:43:17,570 --> 03:43:18,930 And the numbers came back. 4101 03:43:19,010 --> 03:43:19,530 The same. 4102 03:43:21,270 --> 03:43:22,380 Which was? 4103 03:43:23,570 --> 03:43:27,940 $592,000 and we have $225,000. 4104 03:43:28,890 --> 03:43:31,170 Tied to this project obligated through FEMA. 4105 03:43:31,610 --> 03:43:32,540 So we have. 4106 03:43:32,650 --> 03:43:35,660 Essentially a $365,000 shortfall. 4107 03:43:37,040 --> 03:43:39,740 But we are in the process of trying to get more money. 4108 03:43:40,410 --> 03:43:42,050 Sent to us from FEMA. 4109 03:43:42,250 --> 03:43:43,450 That will take time. 4110 03:43:44,130 --> 03:43:47,290 They have to re obligate that project and we. 4111 03:43:47,410 --> 03:43:49,410 Pretty familiar with the FEMA process. 4112 03:43:50,180 --> 03:43:50,820 But. 4113 03:43:51,370 --> 03:43:53,090 The Commission's desire to. 4114 03:43:53,910 --> 03:43:56,220 Potentially fund this then that would. 4115 03:43:56,330 --> 03:43:57,730 Be able to expedite it. 4116 03:43:57,890 --> 03:44:02,450 And if we did get more money from FEMA, that would just have an option for us not to use this money. 4117 03:44:04,680 --> 03:44:07,480 But there is that shortfall and. 4118 03:44:08,010 --> 03:44:09,130 Compared to the total. 4119 03:44:09,250 --> 03:44:10,410 Cost of the project. 4120 03:44:10,810 --> 03:44:12,570 Madam Treasurer, do you have a comment? 4121 03:44:13,050 --> 03:44:13,570 On this. 4122 03:44:20,700 --> 03:44:22,540 How much is the shortfall? I'm sorry. 4123 03:44:23,370 --> 03:44:31,330 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Sernitz $365,000 The bid came in twice at 592,000 and we were allowed. 4124 03:44:31,570 --> 03:44:33,450 225,000. 4125 03:44:33,610 --> 03:44:35,370 Was the obligation from FEMA. 4126 03:44:36,180 --> 03:44:38,780 365,000 is a shortfall. 4127 03:44:38,890 --> 03:44:40,490 Did did you not mention that that? 4128 03:44:40,610 --> 03:44:42,210 With the letter from the. 4129 03:44:42,730 --> 03:44:45,770 I can't remember what his name is. District 2. 4130 03:44:45,970 --> 03:44:48,010 Francisco Sanchez we made. 4131 03:44:48,090 --> 03:44:49,970 We may be awarded more funds. 4132 03:44:50,900 --> 03:44:54,140 That is correct, Commissioner Chavez, it actually was a. 4133 03:44:54,770 --> 03:44:57,050 It did work for Otero County that way. 4134 03:44:57,530 --> 03:44:58,090 And. 4135 03:44:59,090 --> 03:45:01,610 Francisco Sanchez has agreed to write the letter. 4136 03:45:01,730 --> 03:45:04,810 And we're getting them the information that that he requested. 4137 03:45:05,050 --> 03:45:07,250 So I feel good about us getting. 4138 03:45:07,370 --> 03:45:08,210 More money. 4139 03:45:08,290 --> 03:45:10,530 It's just going to be a factor of wind. 4140 03:45:11,010 --> 03:45:12,450 And that's the problem. 4141 03:45:13,270 --> 03:45:17,670 I would probably be more comfortable waiting until after we find out about the letter. 4142 03:45:19,410 --> 03:45:20,250 That will. 4143 03:45:21,700 --> 03:45:25,580 Not allow us to do any of the work that we have put out to bid at this point. 4144 03:45:25,970 --> 03:45:28,090 So we would be at a stopping point. 4145 03:45:28,490 --> 03:45:29,690 On those two bridges. 4146 03:45:32,870 --> 03:45:38,100 I don't have a crystal ball, but we potentially could have another government shutdown in October. 4147 03:45:38,890 --> 03:45:39,890 This is just good too. 4148 03:45:40,290 --> 03:45:45,170 Doing it. We're going to keep kicking this down and their safety concerns for the traveling public. 4149 03:45:45,770 --> 03:45:48,450 Particularly first responders, I think that we need. 4150 03:45:49,290 --> 03:45:50,980 Shore up this project. 4151 03:45:52,450 --> 03:45:53,970 Let me ask. Let me ask you this. 4152 03:45:55,310 --> 03:45:56,790 And I agree with that comment. 4153 03:45:58,120 --> 03:45:59,180 Let me ask you this. 4154 03:45:59,890 --> 03:46:01,370 So this is a combined. 4155 03:46:01,850 --> 03:46:06,090 Work Co and Tully. Tully looks to me to be the. 4156 03:46:06,990 --> 03:46:10,500 The worst of the two for sure. That is correct. Yes Sir. 4157 03:46:11,930 --> 03:46:13,050 What? What? 4158 03:46:13,170 --> 03:46:16,330 Would we be able to achieve what we need on Tully Bridge? 4159 03:46:16,490 --> 03:46:18,890 If with that amount that we currently have. 4160 03:46:20,450 --> 03:46:22,610 Chairman Fisher, the projects were bid. 4161 03:46:22,810 --> 03:46:23,450 Together. Umm. 4162 03:46:24,290 --> 03:46:31,290 Both bridges were bid together and I think well I know FEMA obligated $150,000 for. 4163 03:46:31,450 --> 03:46:34,330 Chipotle and 75 for Cove. 4164 03:46:35,490 --> 03:46:36,970 I'm not sure how. 4165 03:46:37,170 --> 03:46:38,410 How close we could get? 4166 03:46:38,770 --> 03:46:42,970 Or if we would be able to do that under FEMA, because we do have to stay. 4167 03:46:43,050 --> 03:46:45,130 Pretty strict to. 4168 03:46:45,650 --> 03:46:48,970 What they obligated, Mr. Chairman, Yes, point. 4169 03:46:50,090 --> 03:46:51,450 The obligated cost. 4170 03:46:51,530 --> 03:46:54,900 Four totally Bridge was 149,610. 4171 03:46:55,130 --> 03:47:00,530 A single bid from this contract was 228. You'll be at a shortfall 78,600. 4172 03:47:01,010 --> 03:47:02,050 And some change. 4173 03:47:02,610 --> 03:47:06,970 I do not think those costs include NGRT, so we'll have to adjust it for the 5.25%. 4174 03:47:08,050 --> 03:47:10,010 And we would have to look at to see. 4175 03:47:10,890 --> 03:47:12,020 How they would do that? 4176 03:47:12,290 --> 03:47:13,130 Individually. Umm. 4177 03:47:13,330 --> 03:47:15,290 Some of their numbers might change. 4178 03:47:16,310 --> 03:47:21,340 If it's not together, if they're not doing, we'll bid it separately but with a joint. 4179 03:47:21,730 --> 03:47:23,290 Correct, it was bit individually. 4180 03:47:23,690 --> 03:47:28,570 Just total, yes. So we could award just one if we wanted to per the procurement, yeah. 4181 03:47:30,160 --> 03:47:31,400 And we could hold them to that. 4182 03:47:31,850 --> 03:47:33,290 Treasured. What are we looking like? 4183 03:47:33,690 --> 03:47:37,010 In terms of funds that might be available for these kinds of activities. 4184 03:47:37,210 --> 03:47:40,250 Chairman Fisher. Commissioner Sherry Hilton, Lincoln County Treasurer. 4185 03:47:41,450 --> 03:47:45,010 Scare me like that we could take it out of our. 4186 03:47:45,930 --> 03:47:48,890 Cash reserves in general fund. 4187 03:47:49,010 --> 03:47:50,730 Or we do have the wind turbine. 4188 03:47:50,930 --> 03:47:53,290 That is drawing interest every month. 4189 03:47:53,730 --> 03:47:58,730 Of about 30 something thousand so it's building up pretty good so you know it's the. 4190 03:47:59,050 --> 03:48:01,690 Board's choice Which fund you'd like us to? 4191 03:48:03,530 --> 03:48:06,650 Utilize so do we jeopardize the funding from. 4192 03:48:06,810 --> 03:48:07,170 From DD. 4193 03:48:07,930 --> 03:48:09,810 I by self funding it. 4194 03:48:10,740 --> 03:48:11,740 The additional money? 4195 03:48:14,410 --> 03:48:17,210 I I don't have a good answer for that. I am not sure how that. 4196 03:48:17,290 --> 03:48:20,980 That would be looked at. We could use some of the additional funds maybe for. 4197 03:48:21,290 --> 03:48:25,690 Doing work there on coal, but if we have the extra money to finish Tully. 4198 03:48:26,450 --> 03:48:27,330 Up completely. 4199 03:48:28,730 --> 03:48:35,500 I don't know. I don't know how that would look. Mr. Chairman. Funds from dot would not jeopardize the FEMA funding. 4200 03:48:35,650 --> 03:48:37,370 It would just be the question of. 4201 03:48:37,930 --> 03:48:39,900 How quickly could they be made available? 4202 03:48:41,890 --> 03:48:42,530 Dot. 4203 03:48:43,810 --> 03:48:47,010 Usually are, just not at the pinstroke of the district engineer, Yeah. 4204 03:48:47,410 --> 03:48:50,570 So we would have to go through that process of when they would be made available. So, so here, here, here's my point. I 4205 03:48:50,570 --> 03:48:53,730 appreciate. 4206 03:48:53,850 --> 03:48:57,610 All these comments and I need to sense of the Commission on this. 4207 03:48:58,690 --> 03:49:02,980 But these the damage to these two bridges occurred in the floods of 2024. 4208 03:49:03,970 --> 03:49:04,610 Yes, Sir. 4209 03:49:05,970 --> 03:49:06,930 If you look at. 4210 03:49:07,090 --> 03:49:09,450 Tully in particular codes not so bad. 4211 03:49:09,810 --> 03:49:12,170 Oh was passable needs need some work. 4212 03:49:12,530 --> 03:49:14,730 But you look at Tully, it's freaking dangerous. 4213 03:49:15,690 --> 03:49:18,610 And those people have been extraordinarily patient with the county that. 4214 03:49:18,730 --> 03:49:19,850 Has promised them. 4215 03:49:21,490 --> 03:49:26,090 Helped. We've been successful. We've been successful in doing. 4216 03:49:27,170 --> 03:49:29,690 Many of these sekis down there in in. 4217 03:49:29,810 --> 03:49:31,050 Probably good time. 4218 03:49:31,610 --> 03:49:33,050 I think that's going to pick up, I hope. 4219 03:49:35,010 --> 03:49:37,370 But this ones been hanging over our heads. 4220 03:49:38,980 --> 03:49:39,540 What? 4221 03:49:40,370 --> 03:49:42,690 What is the sense of the Commission in terms of? 4222 03:49:43,170 --> 03:49:47,050 Of taking care of a problem that in my view is a safety problem. 4223 03:49:48,950 --> 03:49:50,940 Do you have, you know, it's a lot of money? 4224 03:49:52,520 --> 03:49:56,660 But we we are getting that some of that wind turbine, I mean is this. 4225 03:49:56,770 --> 03:49:58,010 What we use that? 4226 03:49:59,150 --> 03:50:01,540 Call it largesse, for lack of a better term. 4227 03:50:02,050 --> 03:50:06,810 Four. Or do we just hold on to it for another disaster? 4228 03:50:07,330 --> 03:50:08,450 I'm not sure. 4229 03:50:09,890 --> 03:50:13,210 My thought my thought is that we need to pay. We need to get it done. 4230 03:50:19,210 --> 03:50:21,810 Chairman, if I could, I mean, if we do decide that. 4231 03:50:22,210 --> 03:50:26,290 Tully is definitely the one that we need to focus on. We have dangling guardrail. 4232 03:50:26,690 --> 03:50:28,450 The low canopy and. 4233 03:50:28,930 --> 03:50:31,290 Work that needs to be done underneath the bridge. 4234 03:50:32,400 --> 03:50:33,380 To secure that. 4235 03:50:34,390 --> 03:50:35,380 So Tully is. 4236 03:50:35,490 --> 03:50:38,090 Should be the focus point if we're looking at just one. 4237 03:50:40,090 --> 03:50:40,890 Question Mr. 4238 03:50:41,530 --> 03:50:45,650 So so if we did get a letter of support for additional funding from FEMA from. 4239 03:50:47,070 --> 03:50:50,020 Yes. What's the timeline? 4240 03:50:50,250 --> 03:50:50,890 On any queries. 4241 03:50:52,530 --> 03:50:54,130 Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Wilson I. 4242 03:50:54,690 --> 03:50:57,290 Don't know, kind of like the manager said. I mean the. 4243 03:50:57,730 --> 03:51:00,170 It's not just the District 2's. 4244 03:51:01,730 --> 03:51:02,490 Discretion. 4245 03:51:02,970 --> 03:51:04,970 Or but the letter would help but. 4246 03:51:05,050 --> 03:51:06,810 But FEMA typically takes. 4247 03:51:11,660 --> 03:51:13,380 We could be 6 to 9 months down the road. 4248 03:51:14,380 --> 03:51:16,820 So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, if I could on this. 4249 03:51:19,140 --> 03:51:20,740 You know, I think you're. 4250 03:51:21,130 --> 03:51:22,130 Perception of. 4251 03:51:22,650 --> 03:51:25,490 Thus, needing to repair these bridges is correct. 4252 03:51:25,850 --> 03:51:30,010 We have bridge maintenance that we're responsible for and if we have some help from FEMA. 4253 03:51:30,690 --> 03:51:32,810 We should utilize it and not let it go. 4254 03:51:33,210 --> 03:51:34,490 With that also being said. 4255 03:51:35,620 --> 03:51:38,500 Superintendent Honeycutt reported earlier that we just received. 4256 03:51:38,770 --> 03:51:40,010 $3,000,000. 4257 03:51:40,490 --> 03:51:42,290 Or something from TPF funding. 4258 03:51:42,770 --> 03:51:44,050 So to go back and over. 4259 03:51:44,290 --> 03:51:45,650 Squeeze the state off. 4260 03:51:46,050 --> 03:51:46,930 Some pretty. 4261 03:51:48,730 --> 03:51:50,050 Favorable funding. 4262 03:51:50,860 --> 03:51:52,820 I don't know if we need to go squeeze too much. 4263 03:51:54,910 --> 03:51:56,980 But it's not that we shouldn't pursue it. 4264 03:51:57,870 --> 03:52:00,620 So I guess what I'm saying is we are. 4265 03:52:00,770 --> 03:52:03,810 Being very favorably awarded right now within. 4266 03:52:04,570 --> 03:52:06,610 So it might be worth this being our. 4267 03:52:06,730 --> 03:52:07,730 Buy to the sandwich. 4268 03:52:11,730 --> 03:52:15,290 With this letter, are we not squeezing FEMA? Isn't that worth the extra money? 4269 03:52:15,690 --> 03:52:19,770 Come from, Mr. Commissioner, I could tell you right now FEMA is being fairly difficult. 4270 03:52:20,050 --> 03:52:22,490 And that's putting it very nicely. 4271 03:52:24,930 --> 03:52:26,530 I know that the village is having. 4272 03:52:27,590 --> 03:52:28,350 Very. 4273 03:52:28,890 --> 03:52:31,210 That problems, I think they just filed A lawsuit against him. 4274 03:52:32,120 --> 03:52:33,540 So FEMA's being. 4275 03:52:33,930 --> 03:52:35,330 Very difficult to deal with. 4276 03:52:36,050 --> 03:52:38,130 On these issues and we're going to have. 4277 03:52:39,200 --> 03:52:42,340 I will also say that this will be a regular funded project. 4278 03:52:42,570 --> 03:52:47,060 This will not go through our Senate Bill 31, so we're having to go to FEMA directly for this. 4279 03:52:47,530 --> 03:52:48,170 Already. 4280 03:52:48,650 --> 03:52:55,890 So to do a modified project, it basically starts the process all over again to go in them to reconsider and approve it. 4281 03:52:56,290 --> 03:53:00,490 And essentially what we'd have to do is by the time we get it back to the processes, we'd have to refit it. 4282 03:53:01,010 --> 03:53:02,490 Which would probably be. 4283 03:53:02,570 --> 03:53:03,370 Next spring. 4284 03:53:07,510 --> 03:53:08,580 Any other questions? 4285 03:53:08,970 --> 03:53:13,150 Have questions. So the funding that was allocated from FEMA, it was for Co and Tully bridge together joint. Are we going to be 4286 03:53:13,150 --> 03:53:17,330 penalized if we don't complete code? 4287 03:53:18,550 --> 03:53:23,030 No ma'am, it's my understanding that these are separated. I have an e-mail here from from JD. 4288 03:53:23,810 --> 03:53:28,610 The Co and Totally are separate. Co Bridge has $75,000. 4289 03:53:28,770 --> 03:53:31,970 Plus $21,000 of 406 hazard mitigation money. 4290 03:53:32,930 --> 03:53:35,690 And then totally was allotted 149,000 and. 4291 03:53:35,810 --> 03:53:37,170 Kind of like he had stated. 4292 03:53:39,250 --> 03:53:44,370 FEMA has always had issues with estimating construction, especially in southeastern New Mexico. 4293 03:53:46,010 --> 03:53:47,090 They want to use dot. 4294 03:53:48,050 --> 03:53:51,090 Estimations that are in metropolitan areas that. 4295 03:53:51,450 --> 03:53:56,490 Are not the same numbers that we're going to get up here in Lincoln County or anywhere else that I've seen before too. 4296 03:53:56,690 --> 03:54:00,570 So that's always the discrepancies after we go bid and we take the real numbers tool. 4297 03:54:01,410 --> 03:54:04,930 There this is and this is not a new issue. 4298 03:54:05,840 --> 03:54:07,020 So it's it's just. 4299 03:54:07,750 --> 03:54:10,810 Their way of doing it, but we have to do a modified project, then it goes completely back through the reconsideration project or 4300 03:54:10,810 --> 03:54:13,870 process again. 4301 03:54:15,320 --> 03:54:16,440 Anybody else? 4302 03:54:18,060 --> 03:54:19,580 I want to tell you I I would. 4303 03:54:19,780 --> 03:54:20,820 I would recommend. 4304 03:54:22,920 --> 03:54:24,070 A motion to approve. 4305 03:54:25,350 --> 03:54:27,550 The full amount and we make up the delta. 4306 03:54:29,670 --> 03:54:33,470 I think, I think we've got, we've got some funds that that are there. 4307 03:54:33,940 --> 03:54:36,780 For these kinds, this is a quasi emergency. 4308 03:54:38,060 --> 03:54:40,820 Use of our phones. I mean, it's not even quasi. 4309 03:54:41,700 --> 03:54:43,750 It's damage that we've had for two years. 4310 03:54:45,950 --> 03:54:49,590 If if if we don't do some of the reventment work. 4311 03:54:50,300 --> 03:54:51,620 On both those bridges. 4312 03:54:51,780 --> 03:54:52,740 And we have. 4313 03:54:52,980 --> 03:54:57,340 What people are saying, some people are hoping and praying and so forth. 4314 03:54:57,540 --> 03:54:58,780 Prognosticating. 4315 03:54:58,980 --> 03:55:00,740 Then we're going to have severe flooding. 4316 03:55:02,100 --> 03:55:04,260 In the near future, because of the. 4317 03:55:04,700 --> 03:55:05,940 Tremendous El Nino. 4318 03:55:06,380 --> 03:55:07,340 Has not hit. 4319 03:55:07,820 --> 03:55:08,820 Arabella yet? 4320 03:55:11,180 --> 03:55:14,980 Yes, yes, Commissioner Sherry Huddleston, McConnell Treasurer. 4321 03:55:15,220 --> 03:55:17,700 I have to say that we did receive another one. 4322 03:55:17,820 --> 03:55:21,940 $1,750,055.57. 4323 03:55:22,060 --> 03:55:25,220 Reimbursement from our original FEMA disaster. 4324 03:55:25,660 --> 03:55:27,700 So we're at over 900. 4325 03:55:27,900 --> 03:55:30,660 9,000,000 something getting refunded from FEMA. 4326 03:55:31,420 --> 03:55:34,660 Of the original 10 million we spent, so we're doing really good. 4327 03:55:35,060 --> 03:55:38,180 That may be another option to take it out of the disaster line. 4328 03:55:38,340 --> 03:55:39,940 So I did put that money back in there. 4329 03:55:40,860 --> 03:55:43,620 If this is for disaster repairing bridges. 4330 03:55:45,940 --> 03:55:46,620 I'm good with that. 4331 03:55:47,620 --> 03:55:50,300 OK, I'd like to entertain a motion that the. 4332 03:55:51,460 --> 03:55:52,500 That we approve. 4333 03:55:52,660 --> 03:55:53,740 Approve this. 4334 03:55:55,260 --> 03:55:56,300 This expenditure. 4335 03:55:57,590 --> 03:56:02,750 And take it out of the emergency fund. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we. 4336 03:56:04,420 --> 03:56:05,260 Project. 4337 03:56:08,140 --> 03:56:09,580 2nd we have a second. 4338 03:56:11,100 --> 03:56:12,980 Excuse me, I thought you, I thought you were interrupted. 4339 03:56:13,900 --> 03:56:18,500 Agreements 1676 and Resolution 202710. 4340 03:56:18,940 --> 03:56:20,380 With emergency. 4341 03:56:22,270 --> 03:56:24,310 I think you're on the wrong 1. You need to go to 7. 4342 03:56:25,580 --> 03:56:31,260 I apologize, guys. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we do the budget adjustment for award IFB. 4343 03:56:33,260 --> 03:56:36,100 2026-03R. 4344 03:56:36,340 --> 03:56:38,900 Poe and Tully bridges using. 4345 03:56:39,020 --> 03:56:39,540 Emergency umm. 4346 03:56:42,020 --> 03:56:44,740 2nd Madam Clerk, please. 4347 03:56:46,920 --> 03:56:47,720 Commissioner Sarna. 4348 03:56:48,060 --> 03:56:49,620 Aye, Commissioner Wilson. 4349 03:56:50,340 --> 03:56:51,180 Commissioner Chavez. 4350 03:56:56,280 --> 03:56:57,120 Commissioner Prather. 4351 03:56:57,220 --> 03:56:57,780 Yes. 4352 03:56:58,100 --> 03:56:58,740 Chair Fisher. 4353 03:57:03,420 --> 03:57:05,540 Aye. Motion passes 3:00 to 2:00. 4354 03:57:07,450 --> 03:57:10,190 There we go. All right. Thank you. 4355 03:57:11,260 --> 03:57:11,580 Thank you. 4356 03:57:15,070 --> 03:57:16,510 Always keeps it. 4357 03:57:16,620 --> 03:57:18,220 You gotta say no sometimes. 4358 03:57:20,430 --> 03:57:21,030 OK. 4359 03:57:23,570 --> 03:57:26,570 The next is consideration to confirm the appointment of Nick Smolkovic as a member at large of the Land and Natural Resource 4360 03:57:26,570 --> 03:57:29,570 Advisory. 4361 03:57:32,190 --> 03:57:39,070 Good morning. 4362 03:57:39,820 --> 03:57:42,060 Chair Commission. Stephanie Plenty. 4363 03:57:42,180 --> 03:57:43,060 Technician. 4364 03:57:43,860 --> 03:57:45,260 Today we're bringing forth. 4365 03:57:45,580 --> 03:57:50,300 And a recommendation of approval to consider. 4366 03:57:50,740 --> 03:57:53,500 Next month, Mitch as a member at large. 4367 03:57:54,340 --> 03:57:57,420 The Land and Natural Resources Advisory Committee. 4368 03:57:58,260 --> 03:58:00,780 Is to advise the Lincoln County Commission. 4369 03:58:01,060 --> 03:58:07,780 On the responsible stewardship, conservation and sustainable use of public land and associated natural resources. 4370 03:58:08,100 --> 03:58:12,180 The committee provides informed guidance that balances Environmental Protection. 4371 03:58:12,540 --> 03:58:14,500 I would say economic rights. 4372 03:58:16,140 --> 03:58:17,820 Production of private property. 4373 03:58:18,420 --> 03:58:20,340 Water rights along the term. 4374 03:58:20,700 --> 03:58:23,300 Regional resilience through science based and. 4375 03:58:23,900 --> 03:58:25,660 Analysis. Stakeholders. 4376 03:58:25,860 --> 03:58:28,860 Collaboration and transparent decision making. 4377 03:58:29,100 --> 03:58:30,340 The natural, natural. 4378 03:58:30,700 --> 03:58:34,500 Resources Advisory Committee held its regular meeting on September 9th. 4379 03:58:35,060 --> 03:58:36,180 2026. 4380 03:58:36,300 --> 03:58:42,740 And it where discussion was held on the recommendation of appointment for Nick Smokovich to build a member at large vacancy. 4381 03:58:44,060 --> 03:58:46,580 All members present at the meeting. 4382 03:58:46,660 --> 03:58:49,420 Voted four and 04 against. 4383 03:58:53,110 --> 03:58:55,390 Mr. Smokovich, she has something to say. 4384 03:58:56,930 --> 03:58:59,430 I would just like to address. 4385 03:59:00,140 --> 03:59:02,300 Mr. Chairman and Commission that. 4386 03:59:02,460 --> 03:59:05,380 You know this is This is basically extension of what? 4387 03:59:05,460 --> 03:59:08,420 The state of New Mexico is already asking me to do is to. 4388 03:59:08,980 --> 03:59:11,260 Look at the natural resources. 4389 03:59:11,500 --> 03:59:13,220 Here and and and. 4390 03:59:13,460 --> 03:59:16,460 Be a technical advisor to the citizens in New Mexico. 4391 03:59:16,860 --> 03:59:19,140 And so I'm honored. 4392 03:59:19,540 --> 03:59:23,460 By the willingness of the Commission and to entertain this and. 4393 03:59:23,580 --> 03:59:25,460 And to the Land Rock Committee for. 4394 03:59:25,620 --> 03:59:27,100 For voting for it so. 4395 03:59:28,140 --> 03:59:30,220 I'm here just to provide. 4396 03:59:30,300 --> 03:59:31,620 Best information available. 4397 03:59:33,940 --> 03:59:34,660 Commissioners. 4398 03:59:37,190 --> 03:59:38,110 Mr. Wilson. 4399 03:59:38,660 --> 03:59:41,180 I fully support this. I think that's this is a very. 4400 03:59:41,700 --> 03:59:43,740 Wise selection and decision by. 4401 03:59:47,850 --> 03:59:48,850 I agree and thank you. 4402 03:59:49,100 --> 03:59:50,100 Mr. Smokovich. 4403 03:59:50,620 --> 03:59:51,700 Thank you for stepping up. 4404 03:59:52,220 --> 03:59:53,740 Nick, you're very welcome. 4405 03:59:55,070 --> 03:59:56,030 Motion to approve. 4406 03:59:56,950 --> 04:00:00,710 Make a motion that we appoint next Vukovic as a member at large. 4407 04:00:00,780 --> 04:00:01,580 For land Recre. 4408 04:00:02,650 --> 04:00:04,450 Surgeon. Land Clerk. 4409 04:00:08,620 --> 04:00:10,540 Commissioner Chavez. Commissioner Sharna. 4410 04:00:14,450 --> 04:00:15,610 Aye, Commissioner Prather. 4411 04:00:15,780 --> 04:00:18,660 Commissioner Wilson, Chair. Fisher, motion. 4412 04:00:20,140 --> 04:00:20,980 I was going to say. 4413 04:00:25,060 --> 04:00:27,340 All right. I probably addressed the other member that's not. 4414 04:00:28,740 --> 04:00:30,820 This one we have we have a letter from myself and. 4415 04:00:32,300 --> 04:00:34,580 The chairman Barber that his seat has been vacated. 4416 04:00:35,340 --> 04:00:37,220 Look for an appointment to fill his seat. 4417 04:00:39,060 --> 04:00:42,540 Which is your district, Sir? So we need an appointment for your district. 4418 04:00:46,380 --> 04:00:48,300 Next items are consent items. 4419 04:00:50,640 --> 04:00:52,150 Do you have any want to pull out? 4420 04:01:09,470 --> 04:01:10,110 5. 4421 04:01:18,850 --> 04:01:19,870 Anything else? 4422 04:01:22,850 --> 04:01:26,450 Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to approve consent items. 4423 04:01:26,700 --> 04:01:29,220 One through 4:00 and 6:00 and 7:00. 4424 04:01:29,300 --> 04:01:30,470 Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make. 4425 04:01:30,980 --> 04:01:32,740 Should be approved consent item. 4426 04:01:32,980 --> 04:01:36,060 12346 and 7. 4427 04:01:36,740 --> 04:01:37,260 2nd. 4428 04:01:38,060 --> 04:01:38,540 Madam Clerk. 4429 04:01:41,900 --> 04:01:42,540 Mr. Crater. 4430 04:01:43,460 --> 04:01:44,260 Commissioner Chavez. 4431 04:01:44,460 --> 04:01:47,940 Yes, Commissioner Sarna. Aye, Commissioner Wilson. Yes, Chair Fisher. 4432 04:01:48,460 --> 04:01:48,580 Aye. 4433 04:01:49,740 --> 04:01:52,540 #5 Commissioner Cerner, you wanted that pulled out. 4434 04:01:53,600 --> 04:01:54,840 I want to talk about that. 4435 04:01:55,420 --> 04:01:56,260 Who's got that? 4436 04:01:57,540 --> 04:01:58,220 Agreement. 4437 04:02:00,130 --> 04:02:01,890 Yes, Sir, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. 4438 04:02:02,340 --> 04:02:03,700 This is your agreement. 4439 04:02:05,550 --> 04:02:08,190 With the Lincoln County Humane Society. 4440 04:02:10,670 --> 04:02:10,790 Umm. 4441 04:02:14,020 --> 04:02:15,740 We did bring this before you. 4442 04:02:15,860 --> 04:02:21,150 Last Commission meeting to discuss some some of the challenges that we're having. 4443 04:02:22,670 --> 04:02:24,070 As it pertains to. 4444 04:02:25,950 --> 04:02:28,590 Animal control as a whole, and maybe we. 4445 04:02:29,020 --> 04:02:32,980 Might also ask for the sheriff and undersheriff to come up with if it's necessary. 4446 04:02:34,620 --> 04:02:35,380 We modeled. 4447 04:02:36,180 --> 04:02:39,630 The contract to be in line with the direction from the Commission. 4448 04:02:39,900 --> 04:02:41,020 And the approved. 4449 04:02:42,100 --> 04:02:42,740 Funding. 4450 04:02:42,900 --> 04:02:45,340 It was allocated during our budget process. 4451 04:02:48,300 --> 04:02:49,340 And also with. 4452 04:02:49,940 --> 04:02:53,700 The Humane Society to not to exceed A200 animal limit. 4453 04:02:56,540 --> 04:03:00,700 So that we could maintain service for the Sheriff's Office as we go through the year. 4454 04:03:01,540 --> 04:03:01,620 Um. 4455 04:03:09,600 --> 04:03:11,800 With this we did model it as a lump sum. 4456 04:03:12,420 --> 04:03:14,460 Payment for the amount of animals. 4457 04:03:14,620 --> 04:03:16,700 So if we would like to revise it to be a. 4458 04:03:17,060 --> 04:03:21,060 Per animal basis, previously it was $250 an animal. 4459 04:03:22,740 --> 04:03:24,780 Throughout the agreement so. 4460 04:03:25,020 --> 04:03:28,940 With that will stand for questions. I don't know if you got anything one thing I wanted to. 4461 04:03:29,420 --> 04:03:34,580 Correct on that. My name is Abel Guzman, Executive Director of the Humane Society. 4462 04:03:37,140 --> 04:03:37,980 Commissioners. 4463 04:03:38,820 --> 04:03:42,020 The $30,000 covers. 4464 04:03:43,660 --> 04:03:46,340 200 animals at $150.00 per annum. 4465 04:03:47,780 --> 04:03:48,980 It's not 250. 4466 04:03:50,280 --> 04:03:51,870 So once you go over that. 4467 04:03:51,980 --> 04:03:52,860 It's 200. 4468 04:03:55,660 --> 04:03:57,220 So I wanted to make that clear. 4469 04:03:58,540 --> 04:04:02,840 There was a meeting that was held in August. There was a lot of questions that weren't answered and I'm here to answer those 4470 04:04:02,840 --> 04:04:07,140 questions for you guys if needed. 4471 04:04:07,900 --> 04:04:11,740 I mean, one of the, you know, I just want to let everybody know that, you know, we're not here to criticize anybody. You know, 4472 04:04:11,740 --> 04:04:15,580 we're not here to ask for. 4473 04:04:16,020 --> 04:04:21,980 A big check to give to us. We're not here to make money off of the animals. I think account, we're here to help out. 4474 04:04:22,420 --> 04:04:26,940 The citizens of the county, we're here to work with the Sheriff's Department as we always have. 4475 04:04:27,140 --> 04:04:30,740 I've been working for the Humane Society for the past 11 years and. 4476 04:04:31,100 --> 04:04:33,020 This is the first time this has ever come up. 4477 04:04:34,940 --> 04:04:38,620 And so we're just here to answer the questions that you had, Sir. 4478 04:04:38,740 --> 04:04:40,100 You know, so I'm here. 4479 04:04:40,460 --> 04:04:42,700 Ready to answer questions, whatever you guys have. 4480 04:04:43,790 --> 04:04:48,670 I'm Debbie Barbie, the president of the Humane Society Board of Directors. 4481 04:04:48,940 --> 04:04:54,060 And I know that you have been given some information about all that we provide for the. 4482 04:04:55,140 --> 04:04:56,420 Flat fee that. 4483 04:04:57,020 --> 04:04:58,860 We charge for the animals. 4484 04:04:58,980 --> 04:05:02,460 We don't make any money on that. In fact, we lose money on each channel. 4485 04:05:03,020 --> 04:05:07,460 So this is a service that we provide. 4486 04:05:07,740 --> 04:05:08,900 To help you. 4487 04:05:11,300 --> 04:05:13,180 And just to give you guys some numbers. 4488 04:05:15,710 --> 04:05:20,590 Per day to care for an animal at the Humane Society is $44.50. 4489 04:05:21,490 --> 04:05:25,630 If you call a boarding facility, it's between 40 and $60.00. 4490 04:05:26,660 --> 04:05:27,460 For any boarding. 4491 04:05:29,700 --> 04:05:31,460 The three day hold. 4492 04:05:31,540 --> 04:05:33,630 Which is in accordance with the contract. 4493 04:05:33,780 --> 04:05:36,740 Equals $133.25. 4494 04:05:36,900 --> 04:05:38,500 That's just a three day hold. 4495 04:05:38,820 --> 04:05:43,780 Now if it requires up to the five day hold, that's $222.18. 4496 04:05:45,390 --> 04:05:51,470 An animal under our care from start to finish usually is 10 days. Within 10 days we have the animal. 4497 04:05:51,980 --> 04:05:54,070 Already ready to go up for adoption? 4498 04:05:54,180 --> 04:05:55,540 That cost for us. 4499 04:05:56,100 --> 04:05:58,180 In total is $457. 4500 04:05:58,540 --> 04:05:59,140 Per animal. 4501 04:06:01,190 --> 04:06:04,510 Now the the percentage wise of what? 4502 04:06:05,300 --> 04:06:06,940 Is covered Really. 4503 04:06:07,940 --> 04:06:09,660 The $150.00. 4504 04:06:10,060 --> 04:06:13,300 Base rate only covers 32% of that. 4505 04:06:14,190 --> 04:06:18,630 We have to look for grants, we have to look for donation money to come in. 4506 04:06:18,860 --> 04:06:19,900 To cover the rest of it. 4507 04:06:21,220 --> 04:06:22,990 You know, we try and do our part. 4508 04:06:23,140 --> 04:06:27,420 We've opened up new programs. There's programs out there to help. 4509 04:06:28,780 --> 04:06:33,340 With spaying and neutering, you know, since COVID, we've seen an uptake in animals. 4510 04:06:34,740 --> 04:06:39,580 IN200052526 you had 277 animals come in. 4511 04:06:40,380 --> 04:06:44,780 Back in 2015, 2016 year, there was only 116. 4512 04:06:45,460 --> 04:06:47,620 There's been an uptick and it's still going up. 4513 04:06:48,460 --> 04:06:55,020 Back after COVID was over with, we went to each entity within Lincoln County and said this is going to be a problem. 4514 04:06:56,330 --> 04:06:58,230 We created a solution. 4515 04:06:58,420 --> 04:07:04,060 You know, mandatory spaying, neutering, and doesn't have to be smashed right off the bat that you need to. 4516 04:07:04,220 --> 04:07:07,020 Put these ordinances in into effect. 4517 04:07:07,260 --> 04:07:09,340 No, we worked with. 4518 04:07:09,580 --> 04:07:14,000 Ruidoso, Rodoso Downs. You know, there was a time period to let everybody know, hey, this is going to be coming up. This ordinance 4519 04:07:14,000 --> 04:07:18,420 is going to be put into place. 4520 04:07:18,620 --> 04:07:21,060 We gave free microchips to. 4521 04:07:21,460 --> 04:07:23,780 Those entities to help out. 4522 04:07:24,100 --> 04:07:28,710 We created these programs. There's free spay neuter that's going on. 4523 04:07:29,140 --> 04:07:33,140 In Mescalero to help out with that we have free spay neuter and. 4524 04:07:33,220 --> 04:07:34,660 February through our. 4525 04:07:35,500 --> 04:07:38,540 Organization, there's low cost spay neuter. 4526 04:07:38,620 --> 04:07:41,020 $45.00 to get an animal Spain and neutered. 4527 04:07:41,420 --> 04:07:47,060 There's low cost microchipping, there's low cost vaccinations, so we've done a lot to get to this point to help out. 4528 04:07:47,620 --> 04:07:50,660 We need you guys to meet us halfways on this. 4529 04:07:50,740 --> 04:07:53,380 We're not asking for more money, we're just asking. 4530 04:07:54,500 --> 04:07:54,980 You know. 4531 04:07:56,180 --> 04:08:00,460 To get this problem under control, these ordinances need to be set in place. 4532 04:08:00,660 --> 04:08:03,220 Or else it's going to get even more out of control. 4533 04:08:05,630 --> 04:08:06,630 We need your help. 4534 04:08:07,630 --> 04:08:13,190 You know, again, we're not here to make money off of the animals. No, we there's no way for a nonprofit to make money. 4535 04:08:13,960 --> 04:08:14,720 There's not. 4536 04:08:15,540 --> 04:08:17,060 But we need your help to continue. 4537 04:08:18,180 --> 04:08:20,260 This is for the residents of Lincoln County. 4538 04:08:22,480 --> 04:08:24,790 Currently with no contract in place. 4539 04:08:25,060 --> 04:08:26,780 We have residents call, call. 4540 04:08:27,380 --> 04:08:29,300 The shelter and they want. 4541 04:08:30,570 --> 04:08:33,390 Help with animals that are at large. 4542 04:08:34,100 --> 04:08:37,940 They had to call the Sheriff's Office. We just heard the sheriff's offices got a lot of things to catch. Bad guys they don't need 4543 04:08:37,940 --> 04:08:41,780 to go out and catch. 4544 04:08:42,420 --> 04:08:45,380 A litter of kittens that are left on the side of the road. 4545 04:08:45,940 --> 04:08:49,140 But that's a traffic hazard too, so it's a safety matter. 4546 04:08:50,090 --> 04:08:57,510 And this is something that we have to tell them, sorry, we can't take them right now because. 4547 04:08:58,020 --> 04:09:00,060 There's no contract in place. 4548 04:09:00,500 --> 04:09:02,780 We're not allowed to take them at this time. 4549 04:09:03,260 --> 04:09:06,230 So there's a lot of backlash from that. 4550 04:09:07,300 --> 04:09:10,100 And then one of the questions you had is how do we verify? 4551 04:09:11,620 --> 04:09:13,220 Where this animal came from? 4552 04:09:13,980 --> 04:09:18,820 You know, we try and document the precise address, the location where the animals picked up from. 4553 04:09:19,540 --> 04:09:25,220 In doing so, you know it keeps the call from ever reaching the Sheriff's Department if somebody from the public does this. 4554 04:09:26,260 --> 04:09:32,900 We collect the name, the address, telephone number of that person, their license, everything to verify this information. 4555 04:09:33,380 --> 04:09:40,100 We verify the location to make sure it's within the county if they tell us. We picked up this animal on Airport Rd. 4556 04:09:41,260 --> 04:09:46,340 You know, it, it it's county, you know, if they say we picked this animal up at Shell station. 4557 04:09:47,170 --> 04:09:49,910 In Alto we know that Shell station is. 4558 04:09:50,380 --> 04:09:54,670 Ruidoso, you know, we know that where these areas are and. 4559 04:09:54,820 --> 04:09:56,860 The fact that the public is picking up. 4560 04:09:57,340 --> 04:09:59,180 The animals is saving. 4561 04:09:59,920 --> 04:10:02,230 The Sheriff's Department having to go out. 4562 04:10:02,700 --> 04:10:03,980 Leave their post. 4563 04:10:04,700 --> 04:10:07,700 Use their vehicle. Put mileage on that vehicle. 4564 04:10:08,260 --> 04:10:09,420 They don't have to do that. 4565 04:10:09,740 --> 04:10:12,820 Well, right now from my understanding there is no animal control. 4566 04:10:14,180 --> 04:10:17,180 When Animal Control was sent in place, we had. 4567 04:10:17,340 --> 04:10:20,060 Great communication. We the numbers were. 4568 04:10:21,310 --> 04:10:27,470 225 at 1.222 but without that communication. 4569 04:10:28,380 --> 04:10:29,460 We did really know. 4570 04:10:29,860 --> 04:10:30,660 Things get. 4571 04:10:37,940 --> 04:10:40,620 This is this is a vexing. 4572 04:10:40,740 --> 04:10:41,940 Problem for us. 4573 04:10:44,310 --> 04:10:46,230 If you subsidized something. 4574 04:10:46,660 --> 04:10:47,740 He grows. 4575 04:10:49,540 --> 04:10:53,460 And you can see that we did not have a unanimous decision here. 4576 04:10:54,300 --> 04:10:56,500 For public safety. 4577 04:10:57,210 --> 04:10:58,630 Because of the expense. 4578 04:10:58,740 --> 04:10:59,860 Because we are limited. 4579 04:11:00,750 --> 04:11:02,510 And we're expecting to have more. 4580 04:11:03,350 --> 04:11:05,230 More disastrous for people. 4581 04:11:05,540 --> 04:11:07,700 Right, so. 4582 04:11:07,900 --> 04:11:09,020 So if we said. 4583 04:11:09,420 --> 04:11:11,500 If if we if we allocate it. 4584 04:11:12,460 --> 04:11:15,620 I'm not going to, but if we allocated more money then then. 4585 04:11:15,700 --> 04:11:16,860 We're not solving the problem. 4586 04:11:17,180 --> 04:11:21,940 I think you, I think you brought that point up and we're going to, we're going to look at our ordinances. 4587 04:11:22,420 --> 04:11:23,860 But it's very difficult. 4588 04:11:24,660 --> 04:11:27,420 To enforce these things when you have. 4589 04:11:28,100 --> 04:11:30,070 People who just are not responsible. 4590 04:11:30,620 --> 04:11:32,980 Arabella Rd. is a very favorite place. 4591 04:11:33,100 --> 04:11:34,500 For dumping off animals. 4592 04:11:36,830 --> 04:11:39,030 I picked up a couple and it did not take them to you. 4593 04:11:39,460 --> 04:11:40,540 And I did not shoot them. 4594 04:11:41,570 --> 04:11:43,230 We took, we found homes for it. 4595 04:11:46,860 --> 04:11:48,420 But. 4596 04:11:48,700 --> 04:11:51,820 It looks like it has a never ending. 4597 04:11:52,520 --> 04:11:53,910 Growth potential. 4598 04:11:55,020 --> 04:11:56,420 And we have to somehow. 4599 04:11:57,020 --> 04:11:58,820 Put some pressure back. 4600 04:11:59,590 --> 04:12:01,390 For the citizens of this county. 4601 04:12:02,930 --> 04:12:05,590 And this is the only way we know how to do that. 4602 04:12:06,180 --> 04:12:06,860 We don't have. 4603 04:12:07,600 --> 04:12:11,070 We don't have other tools available. We can't make people. 4604 04:12:11,180 --> 04:12:12,300 Be responsible. 4605 04:12:12,700 --> 04:12:17,620 Machine, if you don't mind me speaking, that's a problem that Rudoso had, Rodoso Downs had. 4606 04:12:18,140 --> 04:12:20,380 Until they enforce these ordinances. 4607 04:12:20,540 --> 04:12:21,860 They put them into place. 4608 04:12:22,420 --> 04:12:26,060 Ruidoso was bringing in 650 animals a year. 4609 04:12:26,660 --> 04:12:29,940 And right now, they're averaging between 380 and 400. 4610 04:12:30,220 --> 04:12:34,900 Ruidoso Downs was bringing in close to 300 animals. They've gone down. 4611 04:12:35,740 --> 04:12:38,740 I think right now they're bringing in 210. 4612 04:12:39,100 --> 04:12:41,620 And they just changed their ordinance last year. 4613 04:12:42,690 --> 04:12:44,870 So it works. 4614 04:12:45,260 --> 04:12:46,940 It's just making sure that. 4615 04:12:47,260 --> 04:12:50,260 The ordinances are set in place and there's somebody to. 4616 04:12:51,100 --> 04:12:52,980 Be there to make sure that the citizens. 4617 04:12:54,110 --> 04:12:58,550 This is why we've also put in place ways for people to get. 4618 04:12:58,980 --> 04:13:00,540 To be in compliance. 4619 04:13:01,060 --> 04:13:01,900 We have. 4620 04:13:01,980 --> 04:13:04,780 All these programs were even for feral cats. 4621 04:13:05,660 --> 04:13:07,460 We have a trap and release program. 4622 04:13:07,980 --> 04:13:11,860 Where you can get them spayed or neutered and return them back to the community. 4623 04:13:11,980 --> 04:13:12,820 We have. 4624 04:13:13,300 --> 04:13:16,260 Low income vouchers for spay and neuter. 4625 04:13:16,700 --> 04:13:21,260 We have a program that we've developed for people that don't fall into that. 4626 04:13:21,580 --> 04:13:25,190 That where we can pay half of it at the vet so they can do it. 4627 04:13:25,340 --> 04:13:28,660 So we encourage people to use our programs. We've developed them. 4628 04:13:29,100 --> 04:13:32,470 Because that's what we have to do is turn it off at the faucet. 4629 04:13:32,900 --> 04:13:39,460 Quit having all these unwanted litters. We very much appreciate your efforts. I don't know if, Commissioner. 4630 04:13:40,500 --> 04:13:44,140 How many intakes of animals have you all received from the county? 4631 04:13:44,980 --> 04:13:46,900 Since July, it's been 51. 4632 04:13:47,580 --> 04:13:50,020 And you stopped receiving county animals. 4633 04:13:51,140 --> 04:13:51,860 Well. 4634 04:13:54,300 --> 04:13:56,420 Go ahead, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner. 4635 04:13:56,860 --> 04:14:00,900 They still have and further our direction, and in your direction they are. 4636 04:14:01,020 --> 04:14:03,260 Will still take animals from the sheriff we. 4637 04:14:03,620 --> 04:14:05,900 Asked them to not take animals from the public. 4638 04:14:06,840 --> 04:14:07,910 And that's where the. 4639 04:14:08,020 --> 04:14:10,780 Maybe a miscommunication or confusion is is. 4640 04:14:11,220 --> 04:14:12,100 We asked them to. 4641 04:14:12,220 --> 04:14:14,380 Not allow public animals which were. 4642 04:14:14,420 --> 04:14:17,740 It's my understanding there were $250 a piece. Well either way it's. 4643 04:14:17,820 --> 04:14:21,100 Up to the 200 animal limit, be it from the sheriff or from the public. 4644 04:14:21,380 --> 04:14:25,300 Anything in excess of that 200 animals is $250 an hour. 4645 04:14:26,260 --> 04:14:30,900 The Commissioners and one thing to take into consideration, you are going to see an uptake. 4646 04:14:31,020 --> 04:14:36,860 During this time of the year, because this puppy and kitten season, it always happens the first part of this time. 4647 04:14:37,210 --> 04:14:39,010 There's going to be an high increase. 4648 04:14:39,450 --> 04:14:41,690 When fall winter comes around it. 4649 04:14:41,850 --> 04:14:46,650 Dramatically goes down until spring again when puppy and kitten season starts over again. 4650 04:14:47,130 --> 04:14:51,515 So that this dramatic increase that we're seeing, it happens not even only for the county, but for Ruidoso, Ruidoso Downs, 4651 04:14:51,515 --> 04:14:55,900 Capitan, Carrizozo, we see that. 4652 04:14:56,050 --> 04:14:56,690 It's a norm. 4653 04:14:57,770 --> 04:15:01,290 The other thing we've done to try and help animal control? 4654 04:15:01,650 --> 04:15:04,970 With other entities as we've provided them with the. 4655 04:15:06,530 --> 04:15:08,130 Scanner for the microchip. 4656 04:15:08,930 --> 04:15:11,250 If they're required to have a microchip, a. 4657 04:15:11,810 --> 04:15:14,930 Officer can just have their wand. 4658 04:15:15,330 --> 04:15:20,450 See where it belongs. If it belongs down there, they take it over there and it doesn't come to the shelter. 4659 04:15:20,810 --> 04:15:21,570 So there's no. 4660 04:15:21,930 --> 04:15:26,990 Cost and commissioners. There was an example of that last week where two boxers were out in the county area. They got caught and 4661 04:15:26,990 --> 04:15:32,050 by a citizen. 4662 04:15:32,530 --> 04:15:37,060 And they weren't able to bring it in. There wasn't deputies available to to help. 4663 04:15:37,170 --> 04:15:40,950 Bring it in. They ended up bringing in the animals. We scanned it, they had my microchip and within 5 minutes we found the owners 4664 04:15:40,950 --> 04:15:44,730 where they were from. 4665 04:15:45,170 --> 04:15:48,650 So that's again an example of how microchips can help. 4666 04:15:49,130 --> 04:15:53,110 Our database is available to the deputies to animal control where they could go in themselves. If the animal has a microchip, they 4667 04:15:53,110 --> 04:15:57,090 don't have to make the trip to us. 4668 04:15:57,570 --> 04:15:59,530 It seems gas. It saves time. 4669 04:16:00,930 --> 04:16:06,110 I don't have a quick question for you, please. I was under the influence, Mr. Sheriff, that we had an animal control. We just 4670 04:16:06,110 --> 04:16:11,290 actually increased the pay rate. That position is not currently filled. Yeah. 4671 04:16:12,730 --> 04:16:14,370 Chair. Chairman Fisher. 4672 04:16:14,650 --> 04:16:15,770 Commissioner Prater. 4673 04:16:15,970 --> 04:16:20,620 We do have that position. The current animal control officer resigned yesterday. 4674 04:16:21,970 --> 04:16:24,250 So we have that position. We just got to refill. 4675 04:16:25,170 --> 04:16:26,210 Yes, Sir. OK. 4676 04:16:26,330 --> 04:16:28,570 What about the wand? You guys said that you guys? 4677 04:16:28,810 --> 04:16:32,030 Usually provide those. We did provide them. It's in the, it's in the animal control truck. It should be there. That's the last 4678 04:16:32,030 --> 04:16:35,250 that we know of. 4679 04:16:36,750 --> 04:16:39,460 Well, the matter, the matter before us, unless there's any. 4680 04:16:39,530 --> 04:16:40,770 Particular questions. 4681 04:16:40,850 --> 04:16:41,970 Regarding the matter. 4682 04:16:42,730 --> 04:16:43,850 Is the approval. 4683 04:16:44,410 --> 04:16:47,290 Of #5 the Agreement, 1658. 4684 04:16:50,490 --> 04:16:51,610 Facilities with me. 4685 04:16:58,000 --> 04:16:59,880 You still have just another question. 4686 04:17:00,010 --> 04:17:00,730 Please. 4687 04:17:03,060 --> 04:17:04,860 Appears that we're trending to. 4688 04:17:05,450 --> 04:17:09,140 Go over the 200 animal limit. And so that's my concern. 4689 04:17:10,860 --> 04:17:13,420 Or is this 30,000 sufficient? 4690 04:17:13,890 --> 04:17:18,970 Because I would much rather pay you all the $150.00 up front. 4691 04:17:19,730 --> 04:17:21,330 And increase our number. 4692 04:17:21,410 --> 04:17:23,730 As opposed to that $250? 4693 04:17:24,330 --> 04:17:26,780 Number when we surpassed 200 animals. 4694 04:17:28,050 --> 04:17:31,970 So commissioners is one other thing I want and now that you brought that up. 4695 04:17:32,770 --> 04:17:34,730 One other way that we help out the county. 4696 04:17:34,850 --> 04:17:36,690 Is whenever there's. 4697 04:17:37,730 --> 04:17:38,570 Court holes. 4698 04:17:39,290 --> 04:17:41,850 We've had 6 animals there. 4699 04:17:42,410 --> 04:17:45,770 At our facility that were put on hold for a court case. 4700 04:17:47,850 --> 04:17:50,260 You can imagine how much that's increased. 4701 04:17:50,770 --> 04:17:51,690 How much money? 4702 04:17:51,850 --> 04:17:53,090 Is old but. 4703 04:17:53,170 --> 04:17:54,860 We don't charge the county for that. 4704 04:17:55,410 --> 04:17:57,130 Unfortunately, we don't even see that money. 4705 04:17:57,530 --> 04:18:00,090 We've held these animals for six months. 4706 04:18:00,530 --> 04:18:03,290 Each animal for six months is $3000. 4707 04:18:05,000 --> 04:18:07,080 So just to give you guys an example. 4708 04:18:07,570 --> 04:18:09,610 That's something that doesn't go towards you guys. 4709 04:18:10,210 --> 04:18:12,010 We go ahead and take up that card. 4710 04:18:13,290 --> 04:18:16,850 But I guess she wants to know. But do they need more and? 4711 04:18:17,010 --> 04:18:23,450 What you need I'm going to give you an example of Ruidoso Downs. Their contract is at $35,000 for. 4712 04:18:23,530 --> 04:18:24,650 200 animals. 4713 04:18:24,970 --> 04:18:31,330 And for the first year when they did that contract, we're willing to give an extra 20 animals. We'll take up that cost. 4714 04:18:31,890 --> 04:18:35,250 But the key part is again the. 4715 04:18:36,010 --> 04:18:39,810 This problem is going to continue until something is done with the ordinances. 4716 04:18:41,500 --> 04:18:42,380 Mr. Chairman. 4717 04:18:42,570 --> 04:18:43,170 Commissioner. 4718 04:18:44,370 --> 04:18:46,410 And maybe with both of them here we can make a. 4719 04:18:47,050 --> 04:18:48,970 Consideration to the contract. 4720 04:18:51,090 --> 04:18:52,580 That we might have it as a. 4721 04:18:53,400 --> 04:18:56,560 $150.00 per animal with a not to exceed limit. 4722 04:18:56,850 --> 04:18:58,770 If that would be acceptable to. 4723 04:18:59,640 --> 04:19:00,900 And then that way we can. 4724 04:19:01,010 --> 04:19:02,410 Track as it's going and. 4725 04:19:02,850 --> 04:19:06,970 Proposing not to exceed limit, and if it's going to exceed, we can come back and request more funding. 4726 04:19:09,120 --> 04:19:09,880 Yes. 4727 04:19:10,170 --> 04:19:11,570 I think that's what we have. 4728 04:19:12,290 --> 04:19:14,570 Sir, the way it's currently set up, which is. 4729 04:19:14,810 --> 04:19:18,290 The way we set up all of your external requests this year is as lump sums. 4730 04:19:18,650 --> 04:19:20,730 For their requested services and we. 4731 04:19:20,890 --> 04:19:24,730 Did them the same, the only difference in their contractors it has an actual. 4732 04:19:25,770 --> 04:19:27,050 There's not a 200. 4733 04:19:27,530 --> 04:19:28,410 Right, so. 4734 04:19:29,010 --> 04:19:33,950 What I'm suggesting here is that instead of having a lump sum, we make it a unit based contract for $150.00 an hour per animal and 4735 04:19:33,950 --> 04:19:38,890 then that'll allow us. 4736 04:19:39,570 --> 04:19:46,930 To go through the year and track the cost, not knowing because the the intake is going to be variable based on the sheriff's. 4737 04:19:47,290 --> 04:19:49,620 And the intake of the Humane Society. 4738 04:19:50,450 --> 04:19:52,210 Well, I'm, I'm OK with that, I mean. 4739 04:19:52,930 --> 04:19:55,450 Very similar to what we've just established other than. 4740 04:19:55,810 --> 04:19:58,050 Than we being billed monthly. 4741 04:19:58,850 --> 04:20:00,850 You're giving them a lump sum for 200. 4742 04:20:01,370 --> 04:20:03,730 That's what it says, right? That's what it says. I'm. 4743 04:20:04,010 --> 04:20:05,690 I'm suggesting A revision, Sir. 4744 04:20:06,010 --> 04:20:12,570 That we change it to a per unit basis instead of a long for the purposes of understanding the rate of. 4745 04:20:12,650 --> 04:20:18,930 Consumption of the money, understanding the rate of intake, but also so did allow, you know like you said, the puppies and the 4746 04:20:18,930 --> 04:20:25,210 kittens and the intake, we can kind of manage that on a per unit basis and it's not just a hard $30,000 number. 4747 04:20:26,460 --> 04:20:27,780 Then what's the? 4748 04:20:27,890 --> 04:20:29,370 Up You know what's the top end? 4749 04:20:30,500 --> 04:20:32,540 That's kind of something we we decide later. 4750 04:20:33,390 --> 04:20:35,020 We can set it right now at. 4751 04:20:35,130 --> 04:20:40,730 You know 30,000 or even if we want to make a suggestion to increase it a little bit, I can tell you last year our overall. 4752 04:20:41,170 --> 04:20:42,010 Final. 4753 04:20:42,770 --> 04:20:43,690 Pavement to the. 4754 04:20:44,170 --> 04:20:46,290 Hawaiian society was $45,000. 4755 04:20:48,410 --> 04:20:50,250 It would be at the discretion of the Commission. 4756 04:20:53,690 --> 04:20:55,530 I I say we keep it at 30,000. 4757 04:20:56,490 --> 04:20:57,930 I say that if you want to want to. 4758 04:20:58,410 --> 04:21:04,490 Not have it a per unit basis that to track for the purposes of tracking at 150 which is the same. 4759 04:21:04,650 --> 04:21:05,570 Amount that you. 4760 04:21:06,330 --> 04:21:07,930 Have having this agreement. 4761 04:21:08,810 --> 04:21:10,210 I don't have a problem with that. 4762 04:21:10,650 --> 04:21:13,090 I almost don't understand the difference other than. 4763 04:21:13,210 --> 04:21:17,210 Will be able to track the consumption. It would give us the ability to increase it if. 4764 04:21:17,330 --> 04:21:18,250 Need be, Sir. 4765 04:21:19,340 --> 04:21:23,320 So if we have that now, if we go over, we're paying $100 extra. Yeah, if we go over, we're paying 100. So I'd rather not. So I'd 4766 04:21:23,320 --> 04:21:27,300 rather. 4767 04:21:27,850 --> 04:21:29,490 I'm I'm with you. I'd rather. 4768 04:21:29,730 --> 04:21:32,050 Say, let's up it to 40,000. 4769 04:21:32,330 --> 04:21:34,890 That gives our intake to 266. 4770 04:21:35,670 --> 04:21:37,460 Units going to you guys. 4771 04:21:37,570 --> 04:21:40,210 And then what happens on 267? 4772 04:21:42,370 --> 04:21:44,610 We tracked that because they do invoices. 4773 04:21:44,730 --> 04:21:45,610 Monthly. 4774 04:21:45,730 --> 04:21:47,850 They do provide us their intake numbers. 4775 04:21:47,970 --> 04:21:51,095 And that if we get close to that amount, we'll bring it back and ask for additional funding because apparently you said that last 4776 04:21:51,095 --> 04:21:54,220 year we paid. 4777 04:21:55,330 --> 04:21:59,490 4545 thousand, so that's $15,000 more so. 4778 04:22:03,460 --> 04:22:05,500 Is is. So I read this. 4779 04:22:06,970 --> 04:22:10,450 And it looks like they're it's already in not to exceed limit. 4780 04:22:11,170 --> 04:22:15,210 It is currently not to exceed limit, but the payment on it is a lump sum. 4781 04:22:15,570 --> 04:22:18,250 Could be invoiced as a lump sum. I see that here so. 4782 04:22:18,570 --> 04:22:19,490 It's essentially this. 4783 04:22:20,270 --> 04:22:25,310 It's authority enough to exceed in this agreement, correct? But we would revise that lump sum to a. 4784 04:22:25,650 --> 04:22:26,930 Per unit intake. 4785 04:22:28,650 --> 04:22:29,490 Not to exceed. 4786 04:22:30,090 --> 04:22:30,810 Not to exceed. 4787 04:22:31,130 --> 04:22:32,410 Whatever amount that. 4788 04:22:32,770 --> 04:22:33,570 Commission, uh. 4789 04:22:36,340 --> 04:22:37,460 I think that's the point. 4790 04:22:38,600 --> 04:22:39,860 What is? What is our top? 4791 04:22:39,970 --> 04:22:41,370 Top dollar, that's what I asked. 4792 04:22:42,280 --> 04:22:43,500 You're saying 45? 4793 04:22:43,930 --> 04:22:48,130 That's what we were at last year, that's what we were at last year was 45,000 so. 4794 04:22:48,490 --> 04:22:50,250 So so if we're. 4795 04:22:50,450 --> 04:22:51,730 So the point is. 4796 04:22:51,970 --> 04:22:53,770 If we happen to be 250. 4797 04:22:54,050 --> 04:22:55,050 For 200. 4798 04:22:55,250 --> 04:22:57,050 It would be less than 45,000. 4799 04:22:57,250 --> 04:22:59,410 Just if we got up to 266. 4800 04:22:59,970 --> 04:23:04,650 And they can't do the math in my head right now, but it would be 45,000. 4801 04:23:05,290 --> 04:23:07,530 266 is 40,000. 4802 04:23:07,650 --> 04:23:09,850 Yeah, 40,000. OK, Thank you. 4803 04:23:10,370 --> 04:23:11,690 I told you I couldn't do that in my head. 4804 04:23:14,090 --> 04:23:19,490 Yes, Mr. Wilson. But I think if we're doing this on a per unit basis, it really doesn't matter where the ultimate. 4805 04:23:19,850 --> 04:23:22,370 Final number is, we can adjust it as. 4806 04:23:22,490 --> 04:23:24,490 I think this is upfront money though. 4807 04:23:25,250 --> 04:23:30,690 They're asking for the money up front, so no Sir. The the invoice comes as invoices. 4808 04:23:30,850 --> 04:23:34,810 As the animals are in touch as we do accordingly invoices to you. 4809 04:23:35,570 --> 04:23:38,450 That's what we do so. But if we exceed the. 4810 04:23:39,250 --> 04:23:42,490 $30,000 it bumps the price up to 200. 4811 04:23:43,010 --> 04:23:45,210 250A unit. 4812 04:23:45,330 --> 04:23:49,770 Correct. So I would rather I would rather make a deal with you. 4813 04:23:49,890 --> 04:23:54,810 Where I have this many units instead of that many units where I don't exceed. 4814 04:23:55,290 --> 04:23:57,570 The $100 extra per. 4815 04:23:58,970 --> 04:23:59,490 I understand. 4816 04:24:00,090 --> 04:24:01,410 One more question. Yes, Sir. 4817 04:24:01,610 --> 04:24:04,090 So if the 51 intakes that you've had this far. 4818 04:24:04,970 --> 04:24:07,250 Fiscal year How many are from the sheriff and how many are from? 4819 04:24:07,330 --> 04:24:08,970 I have that right here. 4820 04:24:11,720 --> 04:24:15,360 So the Sheriff's Department has brought in 13. Public has brought 38. 4821 04:24:15,730 --> 04:24:18,530 So if if we proceed with the sheriff, then we'll. 4822 04:24:19,930 --> 04:24:21,570 Just a sharp intake of old. 4823 04:24:21,770 --> 04:24:22,690 Remain well under that. 4824 04:24:23,930 --> 04:24:25,250 So what is the public do? 4825 04:24:26,220 --> 04:24:29,240 There's been public backlash. I don't know if you guys have received calls, but and you all have received pressure from the public 4826 04:24:29,240 --> 04:24:32,260 as well. 4827 04:24:33,360 --> 04:24:36,970 In the contract is the all the previous contracts I could give them to you from 2015 on it's always said that public are able to 4828 04:24:36,970 --> 04:24:40,580 bring in. 4829 04:24:43,130 --> 04:24:43,930 I have them with me. 4830 04:24:50,350 --> 04:24:51,270 Sorry so. 4831 04:24:59,180 --> 04:25:00,380 I'd say Puppet. 4832 04:25:05,530 --> 04:25:08,570 So so last year was 266 total public and. 4833 04:25:08,770 --> 04:25:11,250 And two 77277 now. 4834 04:25:12,050 --> 04:25:13,850 Public and the Sheriff's Office. 4835 04:25:15,270 --> 04:25:16,900 And what do we need to cover that? 4836 04:25:17,610 --> 04:25:21,890 We said we had 40,000, we could do 2, so it would be 45,000 to. 4837 04:25:22,050 --> 04:25:22,810 Cover that. 4838 04:25:23,210 --> 04:25:25,810 If you guys want, I'll give you an additional 20. 4839 04:25:26,010 --> 04:25:28,130 It won't take cost that cost if you guys hold. 4840 04:25:31,050 --> 04:25:34,650 45,000 at 150. An animal would be 300 animals. 4841 04:25:34,810 --> 04:25:37,420 The exact math is 41,550. 4842 04:25:38,810 --> 04:25:40,370 Is the answer to your question, Chairman. 4843 04:25:40,570 --> 04:25:44,690 And then he said he would throw 20 in on top of it. We'll take on the customs. 4844 04:25:46,290 --> 04:25:48,090 But again, I think you guys. 4845 04:25:48,210 --> 04:25:50,130 Can get your numbers done with them. 4846 04:25:51,770 --> 04:25:53,410 It's improving two different entities. 4847 04:25:55,250 --> 04:25:56,620 And that number can go down. 4848 04:25:56,770 --> 04:25:57,970 From 40,000 to less. 4849 04:25:58,490 --> 04:26:01,370 We're trying to save you guys money. It's a circle. 4850 04:26:01,490 --> 04:26:05,170 It'll save Sheriff's Department money, US money, you guys money. 4851 04:26:06,160 --> 04:26:06,940 In the long run. 4852 04:26:07,130 --> 04:26:13,197 What's the sense of the Commission? Sorry, Mr. Prather, you have something else to say? Yes, Sir. If we, if we were going to go 4853 04:26:13,197 --> 04:26:19,264 ahead and update it to $41,550 and we only go to, let's just say 250 animals as opposed to 277, we're not getting over or we're 4854 04:26:19,264 --> 04:26:25,331 not going to be overcharged. 4855 04:26:26,530 --> 04:26:27,450 In conjunction with. 4856 04:26:28,570 --> 04:26:32,490 OK, so it could be a $35,000 bill said and done. 4857 04:26:33,250 --> 04:26:37,770 This is just a promissory note saying that hey, if we do get up to 277. 4858 04:26:41,210 --> 04:26:45,730 So my suggestion would be that we a lot of 41,550. 4859 04:26:47,670 --> 04:26:48,940 Pam up front for that. 4860 04:26:49,170 --> 04:26:50,810 Is that is that the day or just? 4861 04:26:51,090 --> 04:26:53,930 Poorly filled quarter getting quarterly, Bill, yeah. 4862 04:26:54,290 --> 04:26:54,850 That's fine. 4863 04:26:55,850 --> 04:26:58,290 I don't have a problem with that. Beats 250. 4864 04:27:02,050 --> 04:27:03,450 That's fine. Hopefully we're less. 4865 04:27:05,450 --> 04:27:06,170 Or Mr. Chairman of. 4866 04:27:07,690 --> 04:27:11,770 On a budgeting site, can I make a recommendation? We round up the 42,000. 4867 04:27:12,010 --> 04:27:16,850 Sure, 42,000 in in a different fund. 4868 04:27:17,610 --> 04:27:19,570 OK. Build quarterly. 4869 04:27:19,930 --> 04:27:24,170 When we start, we look at the trend lines. We will need a report quarterly. 4870 04:27:24,930 --> 04:27:27,050 Says where we're at, what we need to do. 4871 04:27:27,490 --> 04:27:31,050 To understand what we're happening, I want to make sure the Sheriff's Office has a place to. 4872 04:27:31,900 --> 04:27:34,740 Dump these animals and I guess the public as well. 4873 04:27:35,550 --> 04:27:36,230 All right. 4874 04:27:37,170 --> 04:27:41,140 Need a motion? Somebody work on motion up that makes sense out of this mess. 4875 04:27:41,930 --> 04:27:43,370 I make a motion. 4876 04:27:43,890 --> 04:27:46,130 To consent item number 5. 4877 04:27:46,610 --> 04:27:48,170 With so said changes. 4878 04:27:53,650 --> 04:28:01,330 Just for clarification, it's my understanding that we will revise their contract to be at $150.00 per animal. 4879 04:28:02,170 --> 04:28:08,290 Up to and not to exceed amount of $42,000 and we will revise the eligible animals to allow for the public. 4880 04:28:08,770 --> 04:28:15,010 To surrender, surrender animals as long as they came from the unincorporated county. 4881 04:28:16,210 --> 04:28:18,890 Is there anything you would like us to do to better? 4882 04:28:19,250 --> 04:28:21,650 Find out where these animals come from is that? 4883 04:28:21,730 --> 04:28:23,420 Is there anything else you can do? 4884 04:28:26,970 --> 04:28:29,130 I would not like you to go anywhere. 4885 04:28:31,370 --> 04:28:33,570 If you use your all right, so we have a motion. 4886 04:28:33,690 --> 04:28:35,730 Need a second, I'll second that. 4887 04:28:36,970 --> 04:28:37,570 Madam Clerk. 4888 04:28:44,590 --> 04:28:45,820 Thank you for the deal. 4889 04:28:47,100 --> 04:28:48,340 We're here to help. 4890 04:28:48,970 --> 04:28:53,490 Yes, Commissioner Serna. Commissioner, Commissioner Wilson. 4891 04:28:54,170 --> 04:28:55,010 Chair Fischer. 4892 04:28:59,510 --> 04:29:01,660 Aye. Motion passes 4:00 to 1:00. 4893 04:29:02,730 --> 04:29:03,050 Thank you. 4894 04:29:03,570 --> 04:29:04,650 Thank you guys for coming. 4895 04:29:06,570 --> 04:29:10,890 We do have the ordinance, all right. We're going to recess for more minutes. 4896 04:29:11,410 --> 04:29:13,890 And then we're gonna bring you bring you up, Sir. 4897 04:29:15,450 --> 04:29:16,410 Power through. 4898 04:29:17,650 --> 04:29:18,290 Billy Bob. 4899 04:29:19,650 --> 04:29:22,490 The first thing I want to talk about since we've got. 4900 04:29:23,290 --> 04:29:24,850 Mr. Billy Bob Schaefer, Yeah. 4901 04:29:25,680 --> 04:29:29,320 Is we want to talk about the discussion direction regarding current Lincoln County Fairgrounds improvement project including 4902 04:29:29,320 --> 04:29:32,960 project status, plans, layout. 4903 04:29:33,970 --> 04:29:37,450 Instruction schedule and thank you, Sir, for waiting so long patiently. 4904 04:29:39,290 --> 04:29:41,450 We could get up there, Billy Bob. Yeah, finally. 4905 04:29:55,000 --> 04:29:56,600 So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. 4906 04:30:01,980 --> 04:30:05,860 In regards to our fairgrounds project with our EDA grant. 4907 04:30:07,970 --> 04:30:08,650 We. 4908 04:30:12,570 --> 04:30:15,010 We have made we brought this to you a couple times. 4909 04:30:15,930 --> 04:30:18,570 For direction discussion, we passed several. 4910 04:30:23,290 --> 04:30:25,010 Really. Ideas and reviews? 4911 04:30:26,140 --> 04:30:30,620 That so if I get it all really good. 4912 04:30:34,170 --> 04:30:34,650 The. 4913 04:30:38,850 --> 04:30:40,130 This has been a fairly. 4914 04:30:41,170 --> 04:30:42,170 Complex. 4915 04:30:42,450 --> 04:30:43,290 Project umm. 4916 04:30:44,730 --> 04:30:46,690 As we've had our scope of work. 4917 04:30:47,470 --> 04:30:50,430 And trying to fit a project that. 4918 04:30:52,120 --> 04:30:53,980 Fits within the EDA scope. 4919 04:30:54,130 --> 04:30:54,770 That is, uh. 4920 04:30:55,410 --> 04:30:57,450 Acceptable to the Commission and then fits. 4921 04:30:57,690 --> 04:30:59,130 The requirements of. 4922 04:30:59,990 --> 04:31:01,180 The facility. 4923 04:31:03,210 --> 04:31:05,250 So when we first brought this to you. 4924 04:31:06,460 --> 04:31:10,060 Or when we first started this, and I've come on, this was a covered arena. 4925 04:31:10,970 --> 04:31:12,370 After we've done some. 4926 04:31:13,530 --> 04:31:14,530 Research and. 4927 04:31:14,770 --> 04:31:18,460 Or some discussions. We decided that we wanted to have more of an open. 4928 04:31:18,690 --> 04:31:24,650 Open air concept with the horseshoe. So as we've had some conceptual designs completed on that that we've presented to you. 4929 04:31:26,930 --> 04:31:28,290 We exceeded our budget. 4930 04:31:28,410 --> 04:31:29,650 Fairly substantially. 4931 04:31:30,170 --> 04:31:33,570 And it ended up to being where just the arena alone was going to be a. 4932 04:31:34,330 --> 04:31:35,610 $6 million. 4933 04:31:36,210 --> 04:31:37,530 Development estimated. 4934 04:31:39,650 --> 04:31:41,370 As we continue to try to. 4935 04:31:41,850 --> 04:31:43,490 Get this thing to fruition. 4936 04:31:43,930 --> 04:31:45,250 And several of the concepts. 4937 04:31:46,410 --> 04:31:49,050 We came back and made a recommendation to. 4938 04:31:49,250 --> 04:31:53,370 Look at the practice arena and and potentially a pig barn and Fletcher and. 4939 04:31:54,170 --> 04:31:57,530 We were. We were told that the priority wanted to be. 4940 04:31:57,610 --> 04:31:58,490 The Arena. 4941 04:31:58,650 --> 04:32:00,450 So as we've gone through this. 4942 04:32:01,330 --> 04:32:02,490 What we've come to. 4943 04:32:03,010 --> 04:32:03,850 Is. 4944 04:32:04,780 --> 04:32:05,980 What you see on the? 4945 04:32:07,310 --> 04:32:10,620 The board and we can kind of go through this a little bit, but. 4946 04:32:11,670 --> 04:32:16,580 Were the north side of this would be over here. 4947 04:32:17,090 --> 04:32:19,930 This will be where Fletcher Hall if you can see my mouse over here. 4948 04:32:20,690 --> 04:32:23,450 The current show barn your pig barn to be over here this. 4949 04:32:23,570 --> 04:32:25,220 Blue building right over here. 4950 04:32:26,130 --> 04:32:30,570 Is essentially an approximate location of the current bathroom that is installed. 4951 04:32:31,290 --> 04:32:32,610 So you can see. 4952 04:32:32,770 --> 04:32:34,690 What we're trying to accomplish here. 4953 04:32:35,590 --> 04:32:37,980 What this allows us to do is to. 4954 04:32:38,250 --> 04:32:40,690 Fit a price point of our project. 4955 04:32:41,850 --> 04:32:47,250 And what I mean by that when I say is if you look at the seating, what we're currently planning is a. 4956 04:32:47,450 --> 04:32:48,930 Certain amount of number of. 4957 04:32:49,410 --> 04:32:52,530 Fold down seats, there's going to be the majority are going to be. 4958 04:32:52,930 --> 04:32:55,210 Aluminum seats with backs. 4959 04:32:56,850 --> 04:32:58,890 It'll be all ADA compliant. 4960 04:32:59,090 --> 04:33:01,170 With ADA ramps there are cutouts. 4961 04:33:03,810 --> 04:33:08,250 For ABA compliance, you can see this. We've talked to a few vendors. 4962 04:33:08,770 --> 04:33:10,610 That are. I don't know where that went. 4963 04:33:10,970 --> 04:33:11,690 Sorry I'm. 4964 04:33:11,890 --> 04:33:12,570 Too many. 4965 04:33:12,650 --> 04:33:13,210 Tabs. 4966 04:33:15,900 --> 04:33:17,260 It's not clean up. I apologize. 4967 04:33:18,010 --> 04:33:18,570 Anyway. 4968 04:33:21,930 --> 04:33:25,530 Trying to find the right tab, but anyway, we've had several conversations with. 4969 04:33:26,370 --> 04:33:30,180 Seating vendors that are on state pricing agreement to look at doing. 4970 04:33:30,370 --> 04:33:33,210 Bleachers that you would see at a football stadium or a. 4971 04:33:33,290 --> 04:33:34,770 Softball Complex. 4972 04:33:35,170 --> 04:33:37,460 Currently in this configuration. 4973 04:33:39,570 --> 04:33:40,530 I lost my sticky note. 4974 04:33:41,490 --> 04:33:42,410 I we are at. 4975 04:33:43,830 --> 04:33:44,710 400. 4976 04:33:45,610 --> 04:33:46,690 Approximate seats. 4977 04:33:49,930 --> 04:33:52,330 We've also had some conversations regarding. 4978 04:33:52,610 --> 04:33:56,450 Not only maximizing the capacity of the facility, but also for. 4979 04:33:56,730 --> 04:33:57,730 Flow of stock. 4980 04:33:57,890 --> 04:33:59,090 During our events. 4981 04:34:01,370 --> 04:34:03,970 As such, we we did move the roping. 4982 04:34:04,330 --> 04:34:06,210 Shoot, which was currently on the. 4983 04:34:08,580 --> 04:34:12,460 West side over here now to the east side and offset it also with gates. They're wide enough to accommodate tractors and 4984 04:34:12,460 --> 04:34:16,340 ambulances. 4985 04:34:16,530 --> 04:34:18,130 On both sides of. 4986 04:34:18,370 --> 04:34:19,170 The Arena. 4987 04:34:20,010 --> 04:34:25,410 The other thing that this allows for, which is a current concern, is walkways currently around. 4988 04:34:26,290 --> 04:34:27,490 The front of the. 4989 04:34:27,690 --> 04:34:28,690 Sitting areas. 4990 04:34:28,850 --> 04:34:31,820 Right now, access into additional sitting areas is. 4991 04:34:32,290 --> 04:34:33,410 Difficult to access. 4992 04:34:34,770 --> 04:34:38,010 But this allows us to scale up and scale down based on our price point. 4993 04:34:39,370 --> 04:34:42,690 So we've also looked at reconfiguring the pin. 4994 04:34:42,970 --> 04:34:47,810 The pins. This is currently where the buck and chutes sit. Right now they would be moved. 4995 04:34:47,970 --> 04:34:48,850 Back. 4996 04:34:48,930 --> 04:34:49,850 To the South. 4997 04:34:51,250 --> 04:34:55,010 But you can see the flow for the bucking shoots and this also vastly increases the. 4998 04:34:55,130 --> 04:34:56,410 Capacity for. 4999 04:34:56,760 --> 04:34:57,760 Holding which meets. 5000 04:34:58,120 --> 04:34:59,040 Spirit of. 5001 04:34:59,200 --> 04:34:59,920 The scope. 5002 04:35:00,320 --> 04:35:04,520 Would be an evacuation Center for animals in the event of disasters so. 5003 04:35:08,120 --> 04:35:08,880 We have. 5004 04:35:09,000 --> 04:35:09,920 Provided you a. 5005 04:35:10,680 --> 04:35:12,960 Very rough estimate on what we're expecting. 5006 04:35:13,560 --> 04:35:16,760 For this to cost with our arena seating being about a million. 5007 04:35:17,000 --> 04:35:21,240 We're going to have a civil site works 4 to 500,000 structural foundations. 5008 04:35:22,320 --> 04:35:24,920 Arena facility, lighting, electrical infrastructure. 5009 04:35:26,100 --> 04:35:27,980 Arena coverings. The pins. 5010 04:35:30,270 --> 04:35:31,970 And our demolition work, so. 5011 04:35:33,120 --> 04:35:37,050 We're working through this as a step by step more towards construction. 5012 04:35:37,360 --> 04:35:41,920 And and what our hope is, is to finalize our plan and our layouts. 5013 04:35:42,160 --> 04:35:44,200 We've already talked to local. 5014 04:35:44,520 --> 04:35:45,760 Vendors for shades. 5015 04:35:46,200 --> 04:35:50,680 We have confirmed our procurement process with EDA that they're going to approve. 5016 04:35:50,880 --> 04:35:52,000 Or have approved. 5017 04:35:55,560 --> 04:35:57,680 So we are moving along with this diligently. 5018 04:35:58,080 --> 04:35:58,720 And I have. 5019 04:35:58,800 --> 04:35:59,920 Billy Bob here. 5020 04:36:02,560 --> 04:36:05,000 As we have reviewed this with Billy Bob and. 5021 04:36:05,240 --> 04:36:06,840 The fair board a couple times. 5022 04:36:07,240 --> 04:36:08,410 But also because. 5023 04:36:08,520 --> 04:36:10,200 We are very much trying to. 5024 04:36:10,920 --> 04:36:12,720 Ensure that we do not interfere. 5025 04:36:13,160 --> 04:36:15,440 With current events, at least our major events. 5026 04:36:15,800 --> 04:36:16,640 Being that. 5027 04:36:17,630 --> 04:36:19,550 We have college rodeo that's coming up. 5028 04:36:19,800 --> 04:36:20,440 And then? 5029 04:36:20,520 --> 04:36:26,080 To ensure that as we start on this, that we make sure that this is done and ready to be used. 5030 04:36:26,760 --> 04:36:28,360 By 4th of July next year. 5031 04:36:29,720 --> 04:36:30,760 So, umm. 5032 04:36:34,410 --> 04:36:35,210 Kind of just. 5033 04:36:36,090 --> 04:36:40,130 You know, we're, we're ensuring we do have the engineer that's been on it. 5034 04:36:40,240 --> 04:36:42,920 All along maintaining our compliance with EDA. 5035 04:36:43,600 --> 04:36:45,400 And the reporting aspects of it. 5036 04:36:45,600 --> 04:36:49,930 We were trying to prioritize our construction, make sure we get shows in the dirt and we get this thing. 5037 04:36:50,160 --> 04:36:51,880 Substantially moving, we have. 5038 04:36:52,200 --> 04:36:54,760 Officially with EDA started construction. 5039 04:36:57,160 --> 04:36:59,120 But we want to ensure that we start some. 5040 04:36:59,240 --> 04:37:00,440 Substantial. 5041 04:37:00,720 --> 04:37:05,920 Work soon, but we also don't want to jump the gun on this and go over there and start tearing stuff out. 5042 04:37:06,240 --> 04:37:07,280 Prior to. 5043 04:37:07,400 --> 04:37:10,120 Being ready and interfering with what's currently going on. 5044 04:37:14,130 --> 04:37:16,450 And then also making sure that whatever we do. 5045 04:37:16,600 --> 04:37:17,560 That we are not. 5046 04:37:18,240 --> 04:37:20,840 That we keep our major draws to the area. 5047 04:37:23,280 --> 04:37:26,200 Established for our next year's events that are already scheduled. 5048 04:37:26,560 --> 04:37:29,520 So I don't know if you've got me. 5049 04:37:30,840 --> 04:37:35,280 You have anything you want to say? Billy Bob Schaefer, president and the Fair boy. 5050 04:37:36,800 --> 04:37:38,240 Mr. Chairman, Commission. 5051 04:37:38,840 --> 04:37:39,640 The February. 5052 04:37:40,700 --> 04:37:41,940 Looked at this we made. 5053 04:37:43,060 --> 04:37:44,060 I mean, I've. 5054 04:37:44,360 --> 04:37:46,320 Probably do Jason's. 5055 04:37:47,240 --> 04:37:50,360 Just like we've changed his mind several times trying to get. 5056 04:37:50,640 --> 04:37:53,240 What we think will work, we think this plan will work. 5057 04:37:53,960 --> 04:37:54,840 We think it's. 5058 04:37:56,320 --> 04:37:58,760 Make our facility better. Last year we had. 5059 04:37:59,200 --> 04:38:00,320 Two nights where? 5060 04:38:00,560 --> 04:38:02,840 We turn people away. We had no more room. 5061 04:38:03,640 --> 04:38:06,880 I think the night that you were there, Mr. Fisher, you can find the chair either. 5062 04:38:08,000 --> 04:38:08,720 And so. 5063 04:38:09,710 --> 04:38:13,490 I hope some of you came and liked it, but we think this is a workable. 5064 04:38:13,640 --> 04:38:15,520 Deal with the fair boards for this. 5065 04:38:19,690 --> 04:38:23,330 Yes, Sir. Question. Yeah. At what point were you turning people away? How many people can we? 5066 04:38:24,140 --> 04:38:26,500 Well, last year we could. We could see. 5067 04:38:27,730 --> 04:38:28,330 I think. 5068 04:38:28,760 --> 04:38:32,280 1800 is about what we figure, so we're going almost coming in. 5069 04:38:32,840 --> 04:38:34,040 And so I. 5070 04:38:36,770 --> 04:38:37,930 I don't think that. 5071 04:38:39,930 --> 04:38:42,250 That we're going to run short with this facility. 5072 04:38:42,880 --> 04:38:44,080 Because tonight. 5073 04:38:44,760 --> 04:38:46,160 Out of the four or. 5074 04:38:46,760 --> 04:38:47,960 We start on a. 5075 04:38:48,360 --> 04:38:53,080 End on a Sunday. People have to go to work Monday so they don't come on Sunday, so we have short night. 5076 04:38:53,360 --> 04:38:55,200 With the weekend night, just when we. 5077 04:38:55,800 --> 04:38:57,360 Renewal capacity. 5078 04:39:00,450 --> 04:39:01,490 Good. Anything else? 5079 04:39:02,920 --> 04:39:07,200 So it's my understanding that the dimensions. 5080 04:39:07,640 --> 04:39:09,160 Of the arena have been. 5081 04:39:10,500 --> 04:39:14,010 Large. This is definitely whiter. 5082 04:39:14,120 --> 04:39:15,560 Yes, and that's in. 5083 04:39:15,880 --> 04:39:18,280 Tell me. I think that's important to make it. 5084 04:39:19,000 --> 04:39:20,520 PRCA compliant. 5085 04:39:21,200 --> 04:39:27,000 National Finals Rodeo. I mean you do barrels and so on. You need to have 150. 5086 04:39:27,120 --> 04:39:28,400 Feet and width. 5087 04:39:30,080 --> 04:39:32,600 I think it's also good for the rough stock too. 5088 04:39:32,960 --> 04:39:34,280 Have that extra width. 5089 04:39:34,920 --> 04:39:36,960 And I think what that does for the county. 5090 04:39:38,160 --> 04:39:39,840 Not only do we support. 5091 04:39:40,520 --> 04:39:43,560 Our Stampede, which is the premier event. 5092 04:39:44,520 --> 04:39:46,960 But we also have Enmur. 5093 04:39:47,040 --> 04:39:49,160 Right, their rodeo program. 5094 04:39:49,280 --> 04:39:50,000 And they're gonna. 5095 04:39:50,080 --> 04:39:51,400 Want to be compliant? 5096 04:39:51,760 --> 04:39:53,000 With national standards. 5097 04:39:53,720 --> 04:39:54,880 This will meet. 5098 04:39:55,560 --> 04:40:01,080 You might be able to bring in other events that we don't currently have because it's just, well, you know. 5099 04:40:01,600 --> 04:40:05,530 It's, it's not, it's not the same size as a normal arena. 5100 04:40:05,680 --> 04:40:06,680 With might be. 5101 04:40:06,800 --> 04:40:08,800 This takes care of that problem. 5102 04:40:09,930 --> 04:40:13,850 I think that's important for this county going forward because I'd like to see. 5103 04:40:14,560 --> 04:40:16,160 My hope is is that. 5104 04:40:16,640 --> 04:40:20,440 Not only do we have the Stampede and the ranch rodeos, which I enjoyed. 5105 04:40:20,920 --> 04:40:21,880 Tremendously. 5106 04:40:22,560 --> 04:40:26,850 But we can also bring other national events here in the future. 5107 04:40:27,080 --> 04:40:28,880 And turn this into something that. 5108 04:40:30,000 --> 04:40:32,400 More than just for a couple of 3 or 4 events. 5109 04:40:33,170 --> 04:40:35,490 Yeah, well, don't forget that the LC. 5110 04:40:36,720 --> 04:40:39,280 Is the Lincoln County Youth Rotary Association. 5111 04:40:39,360 --> 04:40:40,560 They wrote you all summer. 5112 04:40:40,680 --> 04:40:44,050 Yeah, and that place is packed when they're there. Yeah, it is. 5113 04:40:45,160 --> 04:40:45,640 It's a big deal. 5114 04:40:46,360 --> 04:40:47,640 Lovely to see too. 5115 04:40:49,410 --> 04:40:50,410 Kendall's kids are in. 5116 04:40:50,560 --> 04:40:51,320 And involved in. 5117 04:40:54,130 --> 04:40:55,770 Back to the infrastructure. 5118 04:40:56,000 --> 04:40:56,680 What? Umm. 5119 04:40:58,770 --> 04:40:59,690 Does this. 5120 04:41:00,400 --> 04:41:01,760 $4 million. 5121 04:41:02,200 --> 04:41:06,720 Cover I see where it says to be finalized for building improvements. What is that? 5122 04:41:07,000 --> 04:41:08,880 Going to Intel so. 5123 04:41:10,880 --> 04:41:11,880 Madam Commissioner. 5124 04:41:17,270 --> 04:41:22,870 We are going to be able and as I put these numbers and we finalize them, we'll be able to bring you a very much more detailed. 5125 04:41:24,200 --> 04:41:26,330 Expenditure and budget on the project. 5126 04:41:26,840 --> 04:41:28,120 We're looking at. 5127 04:41:29,320 --> 04:41:30,680 $1,000,000 for seating. 5128 04:41:31,240 --> 04:41:38,560 We're looking at, you know the the cost for the shades, the large one is $106,000. This ones they're $60,000. 5129 04:41:38,960 --> 04:41:43,240 The other thing that we're going to need to do is as we figure out, we need to go over there and. 5130 04:41:44,050 --> 04:41:48,370 We have to run a procurement process off of our current on calls. We're going to have to. 5131 04:41:49,080 --> 04:41:53,640 Pull a Davis Bacon wage decision to ensure that we're compliant with that so that we have a way to begin talking to contractors 5132 04:41:53,640 --> 04:41:58,200 and get actual numbers that it is compliant with EDA. 5133 04:42:02,280 --> 04:42:04,560 As we were able to finalize these numbers. 5134 04:42:04,720 --> 04:42:05,560 The hope? 5135 04:42:05,800 --> 04:42:07,400 Is that this will come in. 5136 04:42:07,680 --> 04:42:08,600 Under budget. 5137 04:42:08,720 --> 04:42:11,640 The other thing that we are doing is that there is several. 5138 04:42:14,430 --> 04:42:15,410 Components. 5139 04:42:15,680 --> 04:42:16,610 To the. 5140 04:42:17,360 --> 04:42:19,520 Restock Arena, the panels, the chutes. 5141 04:42:19,600 --> 04:42:23,505 That have already been purchased and we're going to take inventory of that and see what can currently be reused as it is portable 5142 04:42:23,505 --> 04:42:27,410 and we can reshape it and put it back down. 5143 04:42:29,400 --> 04:42:31,000 We're also evaluating this. 5144 04:42:31,080 --> 04:42:33,800 Sufficient amount of LED lights that we can light this thing up. 5145 04:42:34,120 --> 04:42:35,080 So and that's. 5146 04:42:35,160 --> 04:42:38,460 What's nice about this is we can make sure we're up and down, but the goal on this is to complete this for under the 4 million and 5147 04:42:38,460 --> 04:42:41,760 be able to complete a. 5148 04:42:42,520 --> 04:42:45,360 In addition to Project B, that either Fletcher Hall. 5149 04:42:45,600 --> 04:42:47,120 Or the covered animal. 5150 04:42:47,760 --> 04:42:50,080 Pig barn that we're calling the pig barn back here. 5151 04:42:51,840 --> 04:42:52,720 That is the goal. 5152 04:42:53,040 --> 04:42:58,600 I'm just trying to. 5153 04:42:59,080 --> 04:43:00,960 Understand how this meets the. 5154 04:43:01,560 --> 04:43:03,320 Evacuation facility. 5155 04:43:03,440 --> 04:43:04,120 Also. 5156 04:43:05,160 --> 04:43:09,960 When we evacuate, do they utilize the pig barn in all of that area to pin their animals? 5157 04:43:11,960 --> 04:43:13,320 Well, if the last. 5158 04:43:14,960 --> 04:43:15,640 Yeah. 5159 04:43:16,860 --> 04:43:18,980 Down there every answer that place. 5160 04:43:20,050 --> 04:43:22,050 There were tents under the pig bar. 5161 04:43:23,350 --> 04:43:24,250 But the way we. 5162 04:43:24,840 --> 04:43:25,960 Are you asking about? 5163 04:43:26,280 --> 04:43:27,280 The pig barn where? 5164 04:43:27,520 --> 04:43:30,080 I think she's asking about evacuations for animals. 5165 04:43:30,200 --> 04:43:36,650 Just in general, with the these improvements, will they serve a dual purpose for the evacuation? 5166 04:43:36,960 --> 04:43:38,000 As well as. 5167 04:43:38,480 --> 04:43:40,600 Well, Oh yeah, they should, because it's a. 5168 04:43:41,120 --> 04:43:44,240 When the fire is in Ruidoso and the floods. 5169 04:43:44,520 --> 04:43:45,440 We got let in. 5170 04:43:46,120 --> 04:43:48,160 But this year, the fire on the mountain. 5171 04:43:49,520 --> 04:43:50,800 It was burning the mountain. 5172 04:43:52,140 --> 04:43:54,050 We didn't have animals, we had people. 5173 04:43:54,800 --> 04:43:55,760 And so I think. 5174 04:43:56,480 --> 04:44:01,960 That that is going to be a facility to house a lot of animals. 5175 04:44:02,320 --> 04:44:04,800 So it's a dual purpose? It's a dual purpose, yes. 5176 04:44:06,730 --> 04:44:10,330 That was my question, just to make sure that we're meeting the intent of the. 5177 04:44:10,440 --> 04:44:15,280 Grant Oh yeah, I think so. I think this alone where this instant. 5178 04:44:16,450 --> 04:44:17,810 The animal rescue effort. 5179 04:44:20,210 --> 04:44:21,770 If you look at it, I. 5180 04:44:22,520 --> 04:44:23,560 The way I see it. 5181 04:44:24,440 --> 04:44:25,760 The capacity. 5182 04:44:26,480 --> 04:44:27,320 Is bigger. 5183 04:44:28,500 --> 04:44:33,330 The handling of the livestock will permit you to do different things. 5184 04:44:34,380 --> 04:44:35,850 That we couldn't do before. 5185 04:44:36,160 --> 04:44:37,680 Because that's much neater. 5186 04:44:38,320 --> 04:44:39,400 Run right. 5187 04:44:42,760 --> 04:44:48,240 The other the other building some improvements that that one could do which are low cost like the pig barn. 5188 04:44:48,440 --> 04:44:50,600 As an example, I to use that term but. 5189 04:44:51,160 --> 04:44:53,200 A lot of pigs in there from time to time. 5190 04:44:54,360 --> 04:44:55,800 Really requires. 5191 04:44:56,200 --> 04:44:58,080 Lower cost improvements. 5192 04:44:58,440 --> 04:44:59,840 Than what you're seeing there. 5193 04:45:00,810 --> 04:45:01,410 You could. 5194 04:45:02,000 --> 04:45:07,040 And I'm, I'm not talking for my myself. I'm talking people. I talk to Billy Bob. 5195 04:45:07,640 --> 04:45:09,160 Who use that facility? 5196 04:45:09,680 --> 04:45:13,960 They're reasonably happy, even though it's a, it's a pole barn, right? It's a pipe barn. 5197 04:45:14,120 --> 04:45:14,800 Covering uh. 5198 04:45:15,560 --> 04:45:16,440 If you would. 5199 04:45:16,640 --> 04:45:20,000 Increase the amount of electricity available back there. 5200 04:45:20,680 --> 04:45:23,040 The amount of water that's available back there. 5201 04:45:24,040 --> 04:45:27,200 It would even be more suitable and it's kind of a low cost. 5202 04:45:27,320 --> 04:45:28,000 Upgrade, yeah. 5203 04:45:28,160 --> 04:45:29,800 Needs to happen anyway for the. 5204 04:45:30,000 --> 04:45:31,840 The people that are showing their animals. 5205 04:45:32,200 --> 04:45:34,840 But from an evacuation standpoint. 5206 04:45:35,080 --> 04:45:35,960 It would also. 5207 04:45:36,080 --> 04:45:37,440 Facilitate that and that's. 5208 04:45:37,560 --> 04:45:38,520 That's a low cost. 5209 04:45:38,640 --> 04:45:40,000 Part of this project. 5210 04:45:40,400 --> 04:45:44,000 And that's an incorporated in this design, I think so I. 5211 04:45:44,440 --> 04:45:45,200 I think so. 5212 04:45:46,840 --> 04:45:51,600 It's been talked about. He doesn't. He doesn't have a picture of it up there, but you can imagine if you walked under. 5213 04:45:51,800 --> 04:45:54,160 Underneath there, you know, in the summer when it's really hot. 5214 04:45:54,320 --> 04:45:56,040 They got a few box fans. 5215 04:45:56,120 --> 04:45:59,200 Gone and there's no Mr. Strikes. 5216 04:45:59,520 --> 04:46:01,400 There's no easy water there. 5217 04:46:01,560 --> 04:46:05,440 And then and then the electrical outlets. 5218 04:46:05,680 --> 04:46:08,800 They need better amperage and more of them accessible. 5219 04:46:08,920 --> 04:46:09,880 For their showing. 5220 04:46:09,960 --> 04:46:11,400 Which will also facilitate. 5221 04:46:11,680 --> 04:46:13,920 Using it during an evacuation too. 5222 04:46:14,040 --> 04:46:18,520 So that that's been discussed and I don't know what that cost. Hell, I'll put the sprinklers up. 5223 04:46:19,000 --> 04:46:20,960 Who? Who is doing the design? 5224 04:46:24,530 --> 04:46:27,530 I am so we had an engineer on there. 5225 04:46:28,840 --> 04:46:31,800 As we were coordinating with the engineers we were having. 5226 04:46:32,200 --> 04:46:34,560 Conceptual. It was mainly conceptual. 5227 04:46:34,960 --> 04:46:40,920 And their next planned phase is this is a very tight timeline. They were wanting to take another planning phase. 5228 04:46:41,000 --> 04:46:44,920 That was going to take this part of the project significantly over budget. 5229 04:46:45,080 --> 04:46:47,800 And it was going to take it for another 18 weeks, so. 5230 04:46:48,320 --> 04:46:49,520 We took a more. 5231 04:46:49,640 --> 04:46:53,040 Direct approach on this that was more towards construction and layout. 5232 04:46:53,560 --> 04:46:56,040 I you know, I put this together. 5233 04:46:57,110 --> 04:46:58,990 With consulting of our folks and. 5234 04:46:59,160 --> 04:47:00,160 Making sure that it fits. 5235 04:47:00,930 --> 04:47:02,410 Well, with the construction. 5236 04:47:03,560 --> 04:47:07,600 Is electrical just like UL listed or how have you bypassed? 5237 04:47:08,720 --> 04:47:13,300 We won't bypass the engineering on the specific items, ma'am. So like when it comes to the electrical, we will find us an 5238 04:47:13,300 --> 04:47:17,880 electrical engineer or the contractor will be responsible for providing just like the shades. 5239 04:47:18,200 --> 04:47:19,840 Those are going to be pre engineered. 5240 04:47:20,720 --> 04:47:21,920 Metal structures. 5241 04:47:22,040 --> 04:47:22,880 That we will. 5242 04:47:24,050 --> 04:47:27,490 Bring the structural engineer in to provide us the concrete footings. 5243 04:47:27,600 --> 04:47:33,600 And stamp those as the structural piece for those pre engineered that will be designed and stamped for the metal structures. 5244 04:47:33,760 --> 04:47:35,240 The same thing for the bleachers. 5245 04:47:35,480 --> 04:47:36,720 The bleachers are all. 5246 04:47:37,000 --> 04:47:39,800 The component fabricated. 5247 04:47:40,200 --> 04:47:45,520 Aluminum structures that they come in and they're all rated ADA compliant, structurally rated for their weight class. 5248 04:47:46,120 --> 04:47:52,440 The electrical will be the same thing. We will bring those in. We've already started the electrical with the transformer. 5249 04:47:52,520 --> 04:47:54,000 And talk to Otero Electric. 5250 04:47:54,360 --> 04:47:55,400 So we will. 5251 04:47:56,760 --> 04:48:00,200 With the vendor who we bring in to do the lights, we'll get the electrical. 5252 04:48:00,360 --> 04:48:03,640 Engineering required to make sure that that stamped and installed correctly. 5253 04:48:05,320 --> 04:48:09,160 So you do have an engineer? We have several engineers, so it's not one. 5254 04:48:09,240 --> 04:48:12,740 Like a general contractor, we don't have one overall. Putting multiples together, we're going to them individually to acquire the 5255 04:48:12,740 --> 04:48:16,240 components that we're looking for. 5256 04:48:17,940 --> 04:48:19,540 So basically you're saying that? 5257 04:48:20,320 --> 04:48:24,040 The seating manufacturer is actually. 5258 04:48:24,850 --> 04:48:25,770 Already have it. 5259 04:48:25,840 --> 04:48:27,160 Engineered into the. 5260 04:48:27,360 --> 04:48:28,360 Into the. 5261 04:48:28,480 --> 04:48:29,800 Plan that's already. 5262 04:48:30,610 --> 04:48:32,650 Or the seating that's already available. 5263 04:48:32,760 --> 04:48:34,280 Further area. 5264 04:48:34,480 --> 04:48:35,400 Yes, yes. 5265 04:48:36,160 --> 04:48:41,970 And I, and I apologize, I lost my PDF, it locked down, but I do have a set of preliminary plans for that, but I lost it. 5266 04:48:46,520 --> 04:48:49,000 I'm just worried about the actual foundation. 5267 04:48:50,920 --> 04:48:56,480 For the the buildings or the the shades or the stands and the shades just to make sure that they're. 5268 04:48:56,680 --> 04:48:59,400 All foundations are going to be stamped by structural engineer. 5269 04:49:05,050 --> 04:49:05,770 On their bond. 5270 04:49:06,320 --> 04:49:06,720 Yes, ma'am. 5271 04:49:07,120 --> 04:49:08,040 What's on their stamp? 5272 04:49:12,860 --> 04:49:14,210 You have more discussion. 5273 04:49:15,700 --> 04:49:17,100 I'm excited. I think this is cool. 5274 04:49:18,640 --> 04:49:19,600 Direction then. 5275 04:49:21,740 --> 04:49:24,380 As they move forward, proceed with alacrity. 5276 04:49:24,520 --> 04:49:26,560 Is that get done by that? 5277 04:49:27,080 --> 04:49:29,280 Deadline. Yeah, get done by your deadline. 5278 04:49:32,180 --> 04:49:34,130 We'll, we will. 5279 04:49:35,680 --> 04:49:37,080 Thank you. Thank you. 5280 04:49:37,200 --> 04:49:40,160 Thank you, Sir, Thank you. I'm sorry it took so long, but. 5281 04:49:40,640 --> 04:49:46,280 We have county business to do. You know, I learned a lot today. Yeah, it was a good or bad. 5282 04:49:46,800 --> 04:49:47,680 Some both. 5283 04:49:50,090 --> 04:49:52,330 Hey, by the way, you're back next meeting for your update. 5284 04:49:52,880 --> 04:49:55,280 OK, we'll be here. See ya. All right. 5285 04:49:58,470 --> 04:50:00,210 Thank you. So next is. 5286 04:50:03,290 --> 04:50:10,250 Discussion and direction regarding potential revisions to Lincoln County Animal Control ordinance #20008-08. 5287 04:50:15,480 --> 04:50:18,920 Good afternoon, Ross Coleman, Director of Strategic Planning and Resilience. 5288 04:50:19,240 --> 04:50:20,160 The current. 5289 04:50:20,840 --> 04:50:23,360 Lincoln County Animal Control ordinance. 5290 04:50:23,680 --> 04:50:29,880 Provides for empowerment of animals found at large confinement of biting dogs and female dogs and cats in heat. 5291 04:50:30,400 --> 04:50:33,960 Requires anti rabies vaccinations setting fees. 5292 04:50:34,400 --> 04:50:36,480 Prohibits cruelty and neglect. Abandonment. 5293 04:50:36,600 --> 04:50:39,880 Animal nuisances and provides for various penalties. 5294 04:50:40,280 --> 04:50:41,760 We've been going through the. 5295 04:50:42,720 --> 04:50:44,480 Ordinance First of all, this was. 5296 04:50:45,340 --> 04:50:47,050 Written in 2008. 5297 04:50:47,440 --> 04:50:51,360 And so we've been going through it and seeing certain things that we would like to. 5298 04:50:52,640 --> 04:50:55,480 Have the ability to revise if possible. 5299 04:50:57,240 --> 04:51:00,160 As an example, we'd like to review the empowerment. 5300 04:51:00,240 --> 04:51:01,280 Requirements. Uh. 5301 04:51:01,920 --> 04:51:06,050 And make sure that these are still in line with current practices and what we're doing. 5302 04:51:06,920 --> 04:51:11,600 Also the finding of unattended animals and removing them. 5303 04:51:12,040 --> 04:51:19,040 And then the there is a pet sterilization act that was written back in 1978. We don't know if that's even still current. 5304 04:51:19,200 --> 04:51:21,560 So we'd like to make sure that those are updated. 5305 04:51:21,720 --> 04:51:28,720 And in line with some of the things that were talked about earlier, this document doesn't recognize microchipping. 5306 04:51:29,400 --> 04:51:35,680 So we would like the opportunity to go through this document, make sure that all the definitions are current. 5307 04:51:36,600 --> 04:51:40,520 Add microchipping if you think that that's allowable. 5308 04:51:40,800 --> 04:51:45,040 And just make sure that we have an updated document that's reflective of the things we want to do. 5309 04:51:49,000 --> 04:51:51,080 Page 4 You refer to the Sheriff's. 5310 04:51:51,760 --> 04:51:53,440 Office of Sheriff's Department. 5311 04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:54,120 Yes, Sir. 5312 04:51:55,800 --> 04:51:56,760 Exit. Thank you. 5313 04:52:01,400 --> 04:52:08,400 You know, you know, we've talked about this before and we're here today and we're going to do the best we can, but. 5314 04:52:10,400 --> 04:52:11,840 I'd love to see. 5315 04:52:12,440 --> 04:52:15,480 Love to see what your suggested changes are. 5316 04:52:15,680 --> 04:52:17,640 OK. And we don't see that? 5317 04:52:18,810 --> 04:52:21,130 So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, this is. 5318 04:52:21,520 --> 04:52:22,650 We don't have any. 5319 04:52:22,760 --> 04:52:25,740 Changes yet? This is a discussion direction item on if it be the direction of the Commission to open the ordinance and make 5320 04:52:25,740 --> 04:52:28,720 revisions. 5321 04:52:30,360 --> 04:52:34,340 We had a discussion today regarding the Humane Society. This is our current ordinance. It is not currently open. It is the 5322 04:52:34,340 --> 04:52:38,320 direction of the Commission and we'd like to see revisions. 5323 04:52:38,920 --> 04:52:42,240 Didn't even bring it back to you at your next meeting to open the ordinance and begin the revision process. I'd like to see 5324 04:52:42,240 --> 04:52:45,560 suggested revisions. 5325 04:52:45,760 --> 04:52:46,560 Wouldn't we? 5326 04:52:49,080 --> 04:52:49,880 If any. 5327 04:52:50,240 --> 04:52:51,840 So we can talk about it. 5328 04:52:52,960 --> 04:52:55,600 I think I'd like for them to weigh in. 5329 04:52:56,600 --> 04:52:57,200 For the sheriff. 5330 04:52:58,320 --> 04:52:59,880 Yes, undershirt to weigh in. 5331 04:53:02,660 --> 04:53:05,940 OK. Do you have any comments, Sarah? 5332 04:53:06,440 --> 04:53:07,240 At this time. 5333 04:53:07,680 --> 04:53:12,920 No, not that, but it would be nice that you referred to and your deputies referred to multiple times. 5334 04:53:13,880 --> 04:53:14,360 To. 5335 04:53:15,540 --> 04:53:19,130 Be made aware of any suggested changes. Absolutely fine and would. 5336 04:53:19,240 --> 04:53:21,480 Most likely have some input in Yes Sir. 5337 04:53:21,880 --> 04:53:24,160 Yes, Sir. Thank you for that. 5338 04:53:24,360 --> 04:53:24,960 So, uh. 5339 04:53:25,560 --> 04:53:29,440 I'd like to consider too the the new nuisance that we do have. 5340 04:53:30,080 --> 04:53:31,400 In the county of horses. 5341 04:53:32,170 --> 04:53:34,690 Yes, I think that needs to be addressed also. 5342 04:53:35,560 --> 04:53:36,240 Yes. 5343 04:53:38,340 --> 04:53:39,820 Horses, Horses. 5344 04:53:41,630 --> 04:53:43,430 I feel like it changes though I would. 5345 04:53:43,920 --> 04:53:45,400 Caution you all. 5346 04:53:49,300 --> 04:53:52,330 Prioritize not creating any unfunded mandates. 5347 04:53:52,720 --> 04:53:54,600 But that's a really big concern of mine. 5348 04:53:59,310 --> 04:54:01,610 I like to castrate all the feral stallions. 5349 04:54:06,870 --> 04:54:08,810 I've got a Pharaoh Yelding right now. 5350 04:54:09,240 --> 04:54:10,080 Thank God he's getting. 5351 04:54:13,440 --> 04:54:16,120 And that would that would take care of that problem going forward. 5352 04:54:17,640 --> 04:54:21,220 A little herd that's around my house. There's three little ones about that, Yeah. And they're, they're being abused and they're 5353 04:54:21,220 --> 04:54:24,800 not being taken care of and they're not going to be. 5354 04:54:25,770 --> 04:54:27,490 And so so if you. 5355 04:54:28,880 --> 04:54:30,640 Yeldies Stallion. 5356 04:54:32,070 --> 04:54:34,190 Then the herds will will be. 5357 04:54:35,590 --> 04:54:38,570 Lowered and reduced. We won't be killing them on a Rd. 5358 04:54:40,830 --> 04:54:40,950 ETC. 5359 04:54:42,400 --> 04:54:42,840 That's. 5360 04:54:46,730 --> 04:54:51,370 OK. Well, with your permission, I'd like to move forward with that and then visit with the Sheriff's Office and. 5361 04:54:51,920 --> 04:54:55,080 Maybe come back to you, probably more likely November. 5362 04:54:55,950 --> 04:54:56,930 That'd be acceptable. 5363 04:54:57,320 --> 04:54:59,960 Is that the sense of the Commission? 5364 04:55:00,440 --> 04:55:00,680 Yes, Sir. 5365 04:55:03,090 --> 04:55:04,330 Do so. Make it so. 5366 04:55:06,230 --> 04:55:07,470 Thank you, Sir. 5367 04:55:08,250 --> 04:55:09,890 If you masturbate the stallions. 5368 04:55:18,240 --> 04:55:19,280 Works every time. 5369 04:55:22,870 --> 04:55:26,030 Next is discussion direction regarding Lincoln County law enforcement. 5370 04:55:26,190 --> 04:55:29,030 Shooting range project at proposed locations. 5371 04:55:32,290 --> 04:55:32,800 Come on. 5372 04:55:38,190 --> 04:55:40,070 So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. 5373 04:55:42,830 --> 04:55:45,270 We have a discussion direction item here. There's been a. 5374 04:55:46,360 --> 04:55:49,560 Idea proposed on an additional shooting range. 5375 04:55:50,990 --> 04:55:52,670 That would be in a location that's. 5376 04:55:53,110 --> 04:55:54,910 Adjacent to our current. 5377 04:55:55,990 --> 04:55:58,710 Indoor shooting range and training center project. 5378 04:56:03,470 --> 04:56:04,590 I think we'll have some. 5379 04:56:06,090 --> 04:56:09,610 Hello, design issues to. 5380 04:56:10,910 --> 04:56:16,230 Overcome, but it's nothing that's not undoable, and it would be a very convenient location being that it is next door to a. 5381 04:56:16,430 --> 04:56:17,430 Training Center. 5382 04:56:17,750 --> 04:56:20,710 An indoor range that we could utilize both of them. 5383 04:56:22,170 --> 04:56:25,930 On the same location and it further expands our Sierra Blanca training center. 5384 04:56:27,370 --> 04:56:28,400 So with that I'll. 5385 04:56:28,550 --> 04:56:29,110 You guys. 5386 04:56:30,950 --> 04:56:31,750 So you want to bring up. 5387 04:56:32,750 --> 04:56:33,990 Oh yeah, you'll give me a deal. 5388 04:56:35,750 --> 04:56:37,750 Chairman, Commissioners, you took that. 5389 04:56:38,150 --> 04:56:43,030 Used our drone to take up the photograph for the proposed location so you can get an idea. 5390 04:56:43,390 --> 04:56:45,270 With pin drop structures in the area. 5391 04:56:48,550 --> 04:56:51,670 This is actually a proposal brought to me personally by. 5392 04:56:52,270 --> 04:56:54,550 A couple of the commissioners and said, hey, look at this. 5393 04:56:55,300 --> 04:57:00,320 And I think it's a great idea and it puts it right next to the new facility that you could fund for. 5394 04:57:00,870 --> 04:57:04,470 Indoor range and I think it's fantastic that way we're not split up. 5395 04:57:05,560 --> 04:57:06,880 So I I like the idea. 5396 04:57:09,340 --> 04:57:12,480 You're going to see Copper Ridge. That's the fire station there, 48. 5397 04:57:13,490 --> 04:57:15,520 To the subdivision across their. 5398 04:57:15,750 --> 04:57:18,950 Blank spot you see across from Copper Ridge Fire Station is. 5399 04:57:19,850 --> 04:57:21,040 What is it 11 acres? 5400 04:57:21,230 --> 04:57:24,790 Refresh my memory club living in some change, almost 1211 and some change. So that's the proposed site of where you're going to 5401 04:57:24,790 --> 04:57:28,350 put in the indoor facility. 5402 04:57:30,170 --> 04:57:30,810 And so. 5403 04:57:31,750 --> 04:57:35,910 Someone who knows a little bit more about dirt work and digging and all that kind of stuff. 5404 04:57:36,910 --> 04:57:39,710 Mr. Chavez has looked it over and proposed that we. 5405 04:57:40,070 --> 04:57:41,510 Put in the 100 yard. 5406 04:57:41,710 --> 04:57:43,830 100 plus yard long range. 5407 04:57:44,310 --> 04:57:46,320 Shooting facility on the same. 5408 04:57:46,750 --> 04:57:48,150 Patch of land there. 5409 04:57:48,230 --> 04:57:49,950 I think that's fantastic you. 5410 04:57:50,030 --> 04:57:52,990 You're going to have power already for the new facility. We can get power next to it because there's some requirements that we 5411 04:57:52,990 --> 04:57:55,950 need and. 5412 04:57:56,590 --> 04:58:01,150 On a long range shooting range for nighttime qualifications etc. So. 5413 04:58:03,810 --> 04:58:09,370 Again, it's going to take someone smarter than I to look at the geographics and the dirt and all that kind of stuff figure out. 5414 04:58:10,380 --> 04:58:16,820 Where exactly it's going to go, But I mean, there you, you have some natural backstops which we would never rely on. 5415 04:58:17,270 --> 04:58:19,870 We would always want to accentuate those backstops. 5416 04:58:21,320 --> 04:58:25,320 And enhance those back stops just so that we make sure there isn't anything because we. 5417 04:58:26,990 --> 04:58:27,710 We. 5418 04:58:29,150 --> 04:58:31,070 In fact, some pretty heavy duty stuff out there. 5419 04:58:35,090 --> 04:58:37,560 You want to you want to go up there. 5420 04:58:38,570 --> 04:58:41,010 To point out what we're talking about, Absolutely. 5421 04:58:41,940 --> 04:58:43,500 Go ahead now, okay. 5422 04:58:44,510 --> 04:58:46,310 I think I have an idea this. 5423 04:58:46,390 --> 04:58:48,310 So what we're looking at is. 5424 04:58:49,150 --> 04:58:53,670 So this is where the facility is going to go, the indoor facility, the indoor facility. 5425 04:58:54,110 --> 04:58:56,790 So what we're looking at is this stretch of land right here. 5426 04:58:57,760 --> 04:59:00,840 And what we measured out was 140. 5427 04:59:01,230 --> 04:59:03,920 I think it was 13130. 5428 04:59:04,650 --> 04:59:06,640 From right about here. 5429 04:59:06,790 --> 04:59:08,110 All the way to right here. 5430 04:59:11,880 --> 04:59:13,840 There you go. There we go. Yeah, there we go. 5431 04:59:14,810 --> 04:59:15,600 Is what we're looking at. 5432 04:59:16,990 --> 04:59:19,150 So there is a ravine. 5433 04:59:19,350 --> 04:59:21,960 However, like the sheriff was talking about. 5434 04:59:22,070 --> 04:59:24,190 Somebody that has the engineering. 5435 04:59:24,790 --> 04:59:25,870 Abilities to. 5436 04:59:26,030 --> 04:59:27,310 To put the dirt work in. 5437 04:59:27,470 --> 04:59:28,990 They're going to have to take a look at that. 5438 04:59:29,910 --> 04:59:30,830 But that's where. 5439 04:59:31,110 --> 04:59:34,190 I think it's going to be a great location. It's going to be next to the. 5440 04:59:34,470 --> 04:59:36,790 Indoor range in the training facility that. 5441 04:59:37,110 --> 04:59:38,910 We're looking forward to having. 5442 04:59:40,110 --> 04:59:42,190 And it's going to be utilized by a lot of them. 5443 04:59:42,430 --> 04:59:44,350 Not only the public, you're indoor, but. 5444 04:59:45,070 --> 04:59:48,035 Other counties that come here really host the sheriff's conference every single year, and there's always training and 5445 04:59:48,035 --> 04:59:51,000 qualifications. 5446 04:59:51,710 --> 04:59:56,310 There's been times and they've actually had a pistol competition issue. So is it? 5447 04:59:56,550 --> 04:59:58,510 It isn't as though it won't be used. 5448 04:59:58,630 --> 05:00:01,430 I mean greatly. And it's very necessary again. 5449 05:00:01,790 --> 05:00:03,190 We are currently using a. 5450 05:00:03,950 --> 05:00:04,590 Landfill. 5451 05:00:06,170 --> 05:00:10,480 And so the proposal in the county property we had up by the fairgrounds was. 5452 05:00:10,630 --> 05:00:14,310 You know going to work, but this is even better. I think this is puts. 5453 05:00:14,990 --> 05:00:20,030 Puts it all in one package right there, and I don't think there will be quite near the disruption to. 5454 05:00:20,780 --> 05:00:24,520 Public key, you know, disrupting the peace. 5455 05:00:24,950 --> 05:00:26,950 A lot of our guys like to go out and. 5456 05:00:27,070 --> 05:00:29,530 On their own, which is great news, with their own ammunition at all hours of the night, I don't think this is going to be a big 5457 05:00:29,530 --> 05:00:31,990 foe. 5458 05:00:32,470 --> 05:00:36,350 Some of us prefer to do our night qualifications at 4:00 in the morning, so. 5459 05:00:36,710 --> 05:00:39,230 I think this is a better spot. I think it's a great location. 5460 05:00:40,100 --> 05:00:45,820 And that this was just going to it will require minimal. Well, I say that again, I'm not the expert on it, but. 5461 05:00:46,430 --> 05:00:49,990 If the Honeycutt and his crew can do the job on this, they did it the. 5462 05:00:50,710 --> 05:00:53,390 They did have the fairgrounds. We'll be in high cotton man. 5463 05:00:53,870 --> 05:00:58,950 So that that would be our suggestion, our proposal, if it's the Commission's desire to. 5464 05:00:59,350 --> 05:01:00,550 Figure out a way that we can. 5465 05:01:01,150 --> 05:01:02,390 Marry those two. 5466 05:01:03,270 --> 05:01:05,150 Ranges together in the same spot. 5467 05:01:09,340 --> 05:01:13,280 So I went over there and I looked at it. I I actually the one that suggested it. 5468 05:01:13,430 --> 05:01:14,390 Yes. 5469 05:01:15,770 --> 05:01:16,210 Alex. 5470 05:01:16,670 --> 05:01:19,350 Asked me to go see the the shooting range over there at the. 5471 05:01:19,990 --> 05:01:21,070 At the fairgrounds. 5472 05:01:21,430 --> 05:01:22,070 I wasn't. 5473 05:01:22,230 --> 05:01:23,590 I wasn't impressed with that. 5474 05:01:23,990 --> 05:01:27,270 That area right there, I felt that it was too open a tough spot. 5475 05:01:27,510 --> 05:01:32,150 You know, and so I, I made the suggestion over here, I invited. 5476 05:01:32,310 --> 05:01:33,230 Commissioner Serna. 5477 05:01:34,110 --> 05:01:36,350 Alex and myself to go over there to look at it. 5478 05:01:38,530 --> 05:01:40,000 I I think it's. 5479 05:01:40,150 --> 05:01:41,310 I personally. 5480 05:01:41,470 --> 05:01:42,590 I'm not an expert. 5481 05:01:42,710 --> 05:01:43,590 So I don't know. 5482 05:01:43,750 --> 05:01:44,990 And I would like to get the. 5483 05:01:45,150 --> 05:01:49,150 The input of the people who live around it, Also how they feel about it. 5484 05:01:50,230 --> 05:01:52,150 I also invited. 5485 05:01:52,900 --> 05:01:53,920 Commissioner Prather. 5486 05:01:54,390 --> 05:01:55,990 And he had some concerns. 5487 05:01:56,150 --> 05:01:57,190 Would you care to? 5488 05:01:58,020 --> 05:01:59,780 Delivery, yeah. So we. 5489 05:02:00,500 --> 05:02:02,600 I'm just going to be honest, we've been talking about. 5490 05:02:02,710 --> 05:02:06,330 This for 3 1/2 four years at this point because we've known that the EPA was going to come in and they were going to kick us off 5491 05:02:06,330 --> 05:02:09,950 the use of. 5492 05:02:11,310 --> 05:02:15,870 The current Lincoln County gun or Lincoln County range there that we've been using in the past. 5493 05:02:18,110 --> 05:02:19,310 It's always been a problem. 5494 05:02:20,430 --> 05:02:24,190 With the residents surrounding those areas. 5495 05:02:24,630 --> 05:02:31,630 But this particular residence that we're talking about right here is right adjacent to the Copper Ridge. 5496 05:02:33,030 --> 05:02:34,110 Subdivision. 5497 05:02:35,430 --> 05:02:37,710 I was under the impression that they had. 5498 05:02:37,790 --> 05:02:41,430 Talk to us in the purchase of that property to make sure that those things were not going to be utilized for those particular 5499 05:02:41,430 --> 05:02:45,070 things I think they're worried about. 5500 05:02:45,710 --> 05:02:50,470 Number one, noise ordinances and all those, all those different subject matters, but. 5501 05:02:51,470 --> 05:02:52,750 In my opinion. 5502 05:02:54,670 --> 05:02:56,350 I mean, I'll just be honest, I don't like it. 5503 05:02:56,870 --> 05:02:59,710 I think it's shooting toward another person's property. 5504 05:02:59,910 --> 05:03:05,235 I think that the lead mitigation problem is going to be a huge ordeal. I think that there's going to be a lot of things that we're 5505 05:03:05,235 --> 05:03:10,560 running into if we do decide to go ahead and put that range out there. I'm only one of five. 5506 05:03:11,590 --> 05:03:15,830 But I would propose that we continue to look for a more strategic. 5507 05:03:16,270 --> 05:03:20,090 Safer place to put that range when we're talking about right and left lateral limits. I mean, it wouldn't even be out of the right 5508 05:03:20,090 --> 05:03:23,910 lateral limit. 5509 05:03:24,670 --> 05:03:26,670 The way it's proposed, or at least the way that I've. 5510 05:03:27,150 --> 05:03:27,910 Imagined it. 5511 05:03:29,890 --> 05:03:30,490 The road. 5512 05:03:30,710 --> 05:03:35,430 Hwy. 48 would be literally right in the middle of the right lateral limit for that particular range. 5513 05:03:37,120 --> 05:03:37,920 So yeah, I mean. 5514 05:03:38,270 --> 05:03:40,790 In my professional opinion, personal opinion. 5515 05:03:42,190 --> 05:03:43,600 It doesn't work for me. 5516 05:03:44,350 --> 05:03:49,960 And I did go out there yesterday and I think I did kind of voice that my my concerns are more about the range. 5517 05:03:50,350 --> 05:03:51,510 The distance. 5518 05:03:51,670 --> 05:03:54,320 These individuals are potentially going to be shooting. 5519 05:03:55,270 --> 05:03:58,350 I would like to see a piece of property that has quite a bit more range. 5520 05:03:59,110 --> 05:04:00,630 There's also the other. 5521 05:04:01,550 --> 05:04:03,150 Organizations that are still here. 5522 05:04:03,910 --> 05:04:05,750 I mean, I have no problem with spending. 5523 05:04:07,190 --> 05:04:10,070 A taxpayer money on getting a range that's going to be. 5524 05:04:10,430 --> 05:04:17,120 Used in perpetuity for the rest of Lincoln County history, but there's there's been quite a few different ranges proposed over the 5525 05:04:17,120 --> 05:04:23,810 course of the last few years. The there are two also private ranges that can also be utilized for sniper qualifications for 5526 05:04:23,810 --> 05:04:30,500 service rifle competitions for for those other types of deals, there's the Lincoln County Gun Club, which is housed up in Rita so 5527 05:04:30,500 --> 05:04:37,190 Downs, which will allow for 600 yards. There's the Capitan High Power Club that would allow for 1000 yards. 5528 05:04:38,150 --> 05:04:41,320 I understand that being right there next to that facility. 5529 05:04:41,430 --> 05:04:42,630 Would be awesome. 5530 05:04:43,390 --> 05:04:47,080 But I feel like there should be another way, another solution. 5531 05:04:47,230 --> 05:04:52,310 To how we can get that increased range that's necessary for the officers to be able to shoot and. 5532 05:04:53,870 --> 05:04:55,830 Not potentially in danger. 5533 05:04:56,230 --> 05:05:00,790 The public, and I don't want to say that that would endanger public, but I mean that road will be literal. 5534 05:05:01,510 --> 05:05:08,110 Right, the right lateral limits of of firing. So I mean my personal perspective is keep searching. 5535 05:05:08,230 --> 05:05:12,030 But I mean if the if the board wants to move forward with this. 5536 05:05:12,150 --> 05:05:12,950 And I get. 5537 05:05:15,030 --> 05:05:16,030 Outvoted then. 5538 05:05:16,710 --> 05:05:19,710 So be it. We'll we'll move forward and try to make it the best possible. 5539 05:05:21,350 --> 05:05:24,590 Chair Fischer, Commissioner Prater, I completely understand and. 5540 05:05:25,590 --> 05:05:31,880 Absolutely. I understand your concerns about that. It would be, it would be the Commission's responsibility to fund. 5541 05:05:32,750 --> 05:05:33,990 The design. 5542 05:05:34,150 --> 05:05:34,830 And, umm. 5543 05:05:35,310 --> 05:05:37,270 Infrastructure on this to. 5544 05:05:38,230 --> 05:05:39,670 Largely prohibit. 5545 05:05:40,190 --> 05:05:42,030 There being any problems with? 5546 05:05:42,830 --> 05:05:44,670 The highway it would be. 5547 05:05:44,950 --> 05:05:47,150 And so I'm not opposed to looking. 5548 05:05:47,310 --> 05:05:51,990 Other places, I just think putting them together, you're fixing to put an indoor shooting range right there. 5549 05:05:52,910 --> 05:05:56,670 And you're going to have the traffic. There's an awful lot of things that are already in place based on the fact that you're going 5550 05:05:56,670 --> 05:06:00,430 to use this property for an indoor. 5551 05:06:01,230 --> 05:06:03,350 Shooting range is open to the public. 5552 05:06:03,470 --> 05:06:06,990 You know, those who don't make their living by the guns the way we do. 5553 05:06:07,550 --> 05:06:11,190 That are not so much maybe familiar with the proper handling and. 5554 05:06:11,510 --> 05:06:15,910 These kind of things. So I think you're already in a little bit of a pickle with the position you're in. But again. 5555 05:06:16,150 --> 05:06:20,550 I just need to place where I can qualify my deputies to meet the statutory requirements. 5556 05:06:20,750 --> 05:06:22,710 Get my snipers dialed in. 5557 05:06:23,110 --> 05:06:23,870 That's all I need. 5558 05:06:23,990 --> 05:06:24,870 Right now I'm using a. 5559 05:06:25,070 --> 05:06:32,630 Junkyard, I'm using a landfill. Can I propose just one solution for at least for the for the interim and the time being? 5560 05:06:32,830 --> 05:06:36,030 I know, I mean, I'm a member of the the board for the Lincoln County Gun Club and I know that I can discuss that with them. The 5561 05:06:36,030 --> 05:06:39,230 use. 5562 05:06:40,230 --> 05:06:43,150 Of the Lincoln County Gun Club in the interim until we already. 5563 05:06:44,110 --> 05:06:46,320 We just never thought that was even a possibility. 5564 05:06:46,430 --> 05:06:50,550 Thank goodness for the Undersheriff when the commitment the conference happened this year. 5565 05:06:50,710 --> 05:06:55,110 He was able to secure the long range out there Capitan the long. 5566 05:06:55,230 --> 05:06:58,550 Distance range for, for because we, we got sheriff's from and under sheriff's and deputies from all over the state and quite 5567 05:06:58,550 --> 05:07:01,870 frankly. 5568 05:07:02,110 --> 05:07:06,710 The last thing I wanted to do in terms of representing this county was take them to a landfill. 5569 05:07:07,190 --> 05:07:09,670 So thank goodness for that, but I'm not opposed to. 5570 05:07:10,030 --> 05:07:11,230 Being on the lookout for me. 5571 05:07:11,550 --> 05:07:12,470 I just need something. 5572 05:07:12,870 --> 05:07:15,590 I mean for years when I was here 1112 years ago on patrol. 5573 05:07:16,030 --> 05:07:18,030 We were qualifying and for Stanton. 5574 05:07:18,110 --> 05:07:19,590 Up against the hill, I mean it. 5575 05:07:20,790 --> 05:07:22,030 We need a firing range. 5576 05:07:22,150 --> 05:07:26,563 So we need to find and that's not my, that's not my intent by my comments is to say that, hey, we don't need a fire. I understand. 5577 05:07:26,563 --> 05:07:30,976 I understand and know that we need a firing range. I understand if I could find one in the middle of nowhere that was again 5578 05:07:30,976 --> 05:07:35,389 accessible to the public. 5579 05:07:35,950 --> 05:07:41,550 We kind of thought Captain was an opportunity for some economic development. I mean, we had sheriff's and under sheriff's and. 5580 05:07:41,910 --> 05:07:47,190 I must have been 100 plus people here and would would have gone and gotten gas and eating at the restaurants and. 5581 05:07:47,550 --> 05:07:49,790 You know, give Capitan a little bit of boost, but. 5582 05:07:49,910 --> 05:07:51,990 Some reason another that one can waste, I told. 5583 05:07:52,470 --> 05:07:54,150 I am absolutely not opposed. 5584 05:07:54,270 --> 05:07:58,110 And listening to your concerns, they're valid concerns. I get it and I understand, I mean. 5585 05:07:58,430 --> 05:08:02,630 My gosh, look at your history. You know what you're talking about. And so I'm grateful for that. 5586 05:08:02,910 --> 05:08:06,430 So in saying that, I I think that there is. 5587 05:08:06,670 --> 05:08:10,230 Options, I think that's still, I really think that's a good place. 5588 05:08:10,630 --> 05:08:11,790 I think that there's. 5589 05:08:11,950 --> 05:08:13,950 There's ranges that are built. 5590 05:08:14,470 --> 05:08:17,150 That we don't have to reinvent the wheel that are in. 5591 05:08:17,230 --> 05:08:19,590 Public areas that could probably. 5592 05:08:20,070 --> 05:08:25,070 If we do certain measures to that area that we can actually facilitate that. 5593 05:08:25,470 --> 05:08:28,710 I'd like to see a national force backed property. 5594 05:08:28,790 --> 05:08:34,550 So that we know that any bullets that are potentially going to impact are going to impact in a potentially. 5595 05:08:35,870 --> 05:08:36,750 Public area. 5596 05:08:37,110 --> 05:08:40,270 Well, we'd be glad to research some of those areas and get with our Forest Service partners and find out what county property is 5597 05:08:40,270 --> 05:08:43,430 available in those venues. 5598 05:08:45,290 --> 05:08:49,600 But exploring this here, I think you need to you need to rule this out before we you know. 5599 05:08:50,230 --> 05:08:54,670 I think, well, like I said, I'm sure there's other options and there's places. 5600 05:08:54,830 --> 05:08:56,790 That are that are in. 5601 05:08:57,150 --> 05:08:59,190 Cities that they're seeing ranges. 5602 05:08:59,390 --> 05:09:04,310 That are made I mean, we don't have to reinvent the wheel, that's first we can actually. 5603 05:09:04,510 --> 05:09:07,310 See if that is an viable option. 5604 05:09:08,030 --> 05:09:11,550 How many yards away is the nearest structure that's not county owned? 5605 05:09:13,230 --> 05:09:16,390 The nearest structure is 333 yards away from. 5606 05:09:16,470 --> 05:09:18,230 That's not county owned and it's. 5607 05:09:21,100 --> 05:09:23,480 The South southwest of the. 5608 05:09:23,870 --> 05:09:25,470 Sterling itself was the hardware. 5609 05:09:25,830 --> 05:09:26,670 Across the highway. 5610 05:09:27,750 --> 05:09:32,670 This one, yeah, that would be the nearest is across the highway and up on the hill. Yeah, if you. 5611 05:09:33,230 --> 05:09:34,510 No, Yeah, so. 5612 05:09:34,910 --> 05:09:35,870 So if I may. 5613 05:09:36,550 --> 05:09:36,590 I. 5614 05:09:39,190 --> 05:09:40,670 If you look at that. 5615 05:09:40,750 --> 05:09:41,950 That one spot that you're. 5616 05:09:42,670 --> 05:09:43,670 You pointed out. 5617 05:09:44,350 --> 05:09:45,710 It really is in a. 5618 05:09:46,430 --> 05:09:49,470 And it's in a draw. It's in a draw, Arroyo like. 5619 05:09:49,790 --> 05:09:50,630 Area. 5620 05:09:51,590 --> 05:09:56,990 And if you change the elevation of that a little bit, you brought it down. 5621 05:09:57,800 --> 05:09:58,840 And then you put. 5622 05:09:59,430 --> 05:10:00,830 Tim, I'm thinking about. 5623 05:10:01,190 --> 05:10:02,510 Like we did out there and. 5624 05:10:03,270 --> 05:10:04,430 In Mystic you know with. 5625 05:10:05,840 --> 05:10:07,080 Basically a funnel. 5626 05:10:07,190 --> 05:10:07,950 You know, for. 5627 05:10:08,390 --> 05:10:10,310 Those so so if you. 5628 05:10:10,430 --> 05:10:11,590 You can imagine. 5629 05:10:12,930 --> 05:10:15,640 I don't know how to explain this. I would like the words but. 5630 05:10:15,790 --> 05:10:18,640 But you can you can imagine if you have something like this. 5631 05:10:18,790 --> 05:10:20,070 And you're shooting. 5632 05:10:20,430 --> 05:10:21,070 Here. 5633 05:10:21,970 --> 05:10:24,320 If and their targets are there. 5634 05:10:25,210 --> 05:10:26,130 If you. 5635 05:10:26,310 --> 05:10:27,270 Elevate your. 5636 05:10:27,390 --> 05:10:29,070 Your weapon out of. 5637 05:10:29,390 --> 05:10:30,550 Out of where it should be? 5638 05:10:30,750 --> 05:10:33,230 Before you go, you deflect it left or right. 5639 05:10:33,790 --> 05:10:38,790 You're going to hit that baffle and then you're going to have a spent shell. It depends on how you build that. 5640 05:10:39,230 --> 05:10:41,350 But essentially you are tunneled. 5641 05:10:42,030 --> 05:10:45,670 Straight down to where that target and that backstop is. 5642 05:10:46,110 --> 05:10:48,270 As long as you're in the firing position. 5643 05:10:48,510 --> 05:10:51,150 That's approved, you can't have a problem. 5644 05:10:51,270 --> 05:10:52,670 It just doesn't exist. 5645 05:10:53,840 --> 05:10:54,400 And so. 5646 05:10:55,470 --> 05:10:56,670 One could imagine. 5647 05:10:57,110 --> 05:10:59,030 That that you could do that. 5648 05:10:59,150 --> 05:11:01,510 For that hundred, we said one 100. 5649 05:11:01,750 --> 05:11:02,630 30 yards. 5650 05:11:03,830 --> 05:11:06,150 And simply just not have a problem. 5651 05:11:07,010 --> 05:11:08,880 And we shot towards Roswell. 5652 05:11:09,070 --> 05:11:11,870 Every day with 50 calibers. 5653 05:11:13,060 --> 05:11:13,620 Barrett. 5654 05:11:14,900 --> 05:11:16,540 And that was made a little excessive. 5655 05:11:17,270 --> 05:11:18,990 But we did that successfully. 5656 05:11:20,590 --> 05:11:23,110 With three oh eights and down below that. 5657 05:11:23,550 --> 05:11:25,000 You would have no problem. 5658 05:11:25,190 --> 05:11:26,710 In in making that happen. 5659 05:11:28,900 --> 05:11:31,060 But if it's going to require a little groundwork. 5660 05:11:32,960 --> 05:11:35,800 Not excessive. You're going to have to cut down some trees. 5661 05:11:36,110 --> 05:11:39,430 You're not going to lose the forest, it needs to be thinned out over there anyway. 5662 05:11:41,790 --> 05:11:43,480 And I think the ability. 5663 05:11:43,870 --> 05:11:46,230 To jump from pistol Qualls inside. 5664 05:11:47,890 --> 05:11:51,810 That new facility we're putting in there with the. 5665 05:11:52,390 --> 05:11:54,950 You know, with the programs and all of that. 5666 05:11:55,030 --> 05:11:57,110 And then to be able to jump to your long gun. 5667 05:11:57,390 --> 05:11:58,990 Right there and. 5668 05:11:59,390 --> 05:12:00,790 To have the classroom. 5669 05:12:01,510 --> 05:12:04,070 Right available. 5670 05:12:04,510 --> 05:12:06,190 Is is pretty fantastic. 5671 05:12:07,290 --> 05:12:08,970 Now it's easy enough to put. 5672 05:12:09,550 --> 05:12:14,430 To not allow public at that long range, that might be something you don't do. 5673 05:12:14,750 --> 05:12:20,030 Yes, we required and want to have the public that have periodic access. 5674 05:12:20,230 --> 05:12:21,470 Controlled access. 5675 05:12:21,870 --> 05:12:23,630 To the indoor range because that's for that. 5676 05:12:24,990 --> 05:12:31,390 But you put those together, I think you you end up having a really good neat solution that doesn't require. 5677 05:12:31,750 --> 05:12:33,790 A bunch of running around and so forth. 5678 05:12:34,270 --> 05:12:36,310 And being inside that. 5679 05:12:36,550 --> 05:12:37,510 That draw. 5680 05:12:38,340 --> 05:12:39,360 Noise abatement. 5681 05:12:39,750 --> 05:12:41,470 Becomes much less of a problem. 5682 05:12:41,590 --> 05:12:43,030 In terms of being able to hear. 5683 05:12:43,270 --> 05:12:44,350 The cracks on the. 5684 05:12:44,630 --> 05:12:46,230 You know, going up and down the road. 5685 05:12:46,830 --> 05:12:49,390 Or on the 368. 5686 05:12:49,870 --> 05:12:50,910 Yards away. 5687 05:12:52,030 --> 05:12:53,590 I I don't see it as a problem. 5688 05:12:54,300 --> 05:12:56,420 Well, Jared Fisher, Commission I. 5689 05:12:57,470 --> 05:12:58,390 Would modify if. 5690 05:12:59,030 --> 05:13:02,150 And we had planned on doing this. If we did, the facility was going to go in and Capitan is modify and stay within the ordinances 5691 05:13:02,150 --> 05:13:05,270 on the. 5692 05:13:06,070 --> 05:13:09,190 Not being disturbing. People do the 3:00 tomorrow, the guys want to go out and fire their own weapons and they can go places they 5693 05:13:09,190 --> 05:13:12,310 go. 5694 05:13:13,180 --> 05:13:15,760 And go to the Hicks, you know I can go somewhere. 5695 05:13:16,030 --> 05:13:21,630 We would be up. We would modify That didn't even provide potential warning or notification publicly. Hey. 5696 05:13:22,030 --> 05:13:24,470 Sheriff's Office is going to be out here on so and so date. 5697 05:13:24,790 --> 05:13:28,750 For a three day run qualifying his or her deputy sheriff's and this is how it's going to be. 5698 05:13:28,870 --> 05:13:31,510 Most of all, I think now or. 5699 05:13:31,910 --> 05:13:34,430 Dang near all of my long guns are suppressed. 5700 05:13:35,350 --> 05:13:36,670 That's just the way to go. 5701 05:13:36,910 --> 05:13:38,310 We're using suppressors. 5702 05:13:39,450 --> 05:13:40,290 I mean, it's just. 5703 05:13:41,580 --> 05:13:47,140 That's what we're doing. So I think we can mitigate the noise complaint, the safety issue as you alluded to, and I agree. 5704 05:13:47,590 --> 05:13:49,830 Mr. Chairman. 5705 05:13:50,750 --> 05:13:53,510 Commissioner Fisher right there. You know what? 5706 05:13:53,630 --> 05:13:55,510 And I and it needs to be brought up. 5707 05:13:55,750 --> 05:13:56,990 I think it can be handled to. 5708 05:14:02,980 --> 05:14:04,300 Another quick question. Yes, Sir. 5709 05:14:04,750 --> 05:14:09,510 And so this is just going to be at the base level for my understanding as we have these conversations going forward. 5710 05:14:10,450 --> 05:14:13,360 Aside from the proximity to the pistol range. 5711 05:14:13,470 --> 05:14:14,590 Why do we need our room? 5712 05:14:15,870 --> 05:14:20,470 I mean, I've heard, I've heard a couple times say we need our own. And so I'm just looking For these reasons for the foundation of 5713 05:14:20,470 --> 05:14:25,070 our further conversations. Well, to lay the foundation from the beginning as we were. 5714 05:14:25,430 --> 05:14:27,350 Obviously statutory required. 5715 05:14:27,990 --> 05:14:30,790 A certain number of qualifications annually. 5716 05:14:31,150 --> 05:14:36,870 With their long gun, sidewarm sidearms, that kind of thing. So it's an it's a necessity necessary that we have. 5717 05:14:37,190 --> 05:14:38,030 A place to go. 5718 05:14:38,430 --> 05:14:40,590 That accommodates that with length, width. 5719 05:14:41,310 --> 05:14:45,310 At any given time, we may have 5 or 6 deputy sheriff's on the firing line. 5720 05:14:46,470 --> 05:14:52,110 So that being number one and not necessarily by ranking it by a. 5721 05:14:52,830 --> 05:14:53,910 Importance but. 5722 05:14:54,150 --> 05:14:58,750 The more these guys and gals fire their weapons and shoot, the better. We just need a place to do that. 5723 05:14:59,710 --> 05:15:02,870 Safely, and we need a place to do that where we can. 5724 05:15:03,150 --> 05:15:04,110 Host if. 5725 05:15:04,390 --> 05:15:06,550 There's counties in this state that do not. 5726 05:15:06,950 --> 05:15:11,715 Host the sheriff's conference, the police chief conference here. We do every single year. You've got lots and lots of people and 5727 05:15:11,715 --> 05:15:16,480 we want to represent and give them a nice, safe place to go. 5728 05:15:17,230 --> 05:15:22,150 And do their business again and obtain their necessary qualifications further. 5729 05:15:22,350 --> 05:15:23,470 Certification so. 5730 05:15:24,110 --> 05:15:28,870 So if we do build this, you're saying there's a potential economic development? Yeah, absolutely. 5731 05:15:29,030 --> 05:15:31,110 Economic and. 5732 05:15:32,040 --> 05:15:38,120 Yeah, and again, it has been that way for years because the sheriff's conference always chooses Ruidoso. 5733 05:15:38,390 --> 05:15:41,270 Even in the midst of the fires and the floods, here they came. 5734 05:15:41,670 --> 05:15:44,750 It's still paradise and here they came. God love them so. 5735 05:15:45,110 --> 05:15:48,910 So sort of further my question is why these other two shootings that are already? 5736 05:15:49,230 --> 05:15:50,870 In place one other private. 5737 05:15:51,390 --> 05:15:52,710 Those well and so. 5738 05:15:52,990 --> 05:15:56,390 It's been suggested that there's going to be some opening for. 5739 05:15:56,630 --> 05:15:57,310 Willingness to. 5740 05:15:58,070 --> 05:15:58,790 Cooperate. 5741 05:15:59,550 --> 05:16:04,830 And so if that willingness exists, then it sounds like these ranges could potentially fit. 5742 05:16:05,350 --> 05:16:08,630 Your scope? Well, again their private facilities. 5743 05:16:08,710 --> 05:16:09,870 Membership only. 5744 05:16:10,800 --> 05:16:14,920 There's a liability issue there that a Commission would have to concern themselves with, but. 5745 05:16:15,310 --> 05:16:20,550 Again, we don't know. It just happens that when the undersheriff was able to secure this one, they weren't using it. 5746 05:16:20,910 --> 05:16:22,590 We need a dedicated range of our. 5747 05:16:23,190 --> 05:16:24,510 We don't need to be traveling. 5748 05:16:24,910 --> 05:16:29,430 We don't need to be traveling from Copper Ridge from an indoor handgun range. 5749 05:16:29,910 --> 05:16:34,470 Out to the Downs or even Capitan in the very same day when we can have it all in one pack. 5750 05:16:35,190 --> 05:16:38,950 Under a Sheriff Trujillo had mentioned they have a Conex box full of. 5751 05:16:39,150 --> 05:16:41,550 Equipment and so I think that would be. 5752 05:16:42,190 --> 05:16:47,910 One of the reasons it needs to be Co located. We have two contacts boxes actually they hold all of our firearm stands. 5753 05:16:48,190 --> 05:16:51,910 Or backstops, I mean auto backstops with our silhouettes targets. 5754 05:16:52,310 --> 05:16:55,910 Ammunition. We have two Con Xboxes that stay out at the landfill right now. 5755 05:16:56,710 --> 05:16:58,070 Because we use so much of that material. 5756 05:17:00,270 --> 05:17:03,990 And again, those private facilities, we wouldn't be able to do that. We'd be calling it. 5757 05:17:05,560 --> 05:17:10,840 And how? How often do you qualify? What is it now we're doing twice a year, minimum, day and night? 5758 05:17:11,190 --> 05:17:15,230 Every single one in here, every pistol factor in my office has to go out twice a day. 5759 05:17:15,430 --> 05:17:16,790 And is everybody you know? 5760 05:17:16,870 --> 05:17:17,910 Qualified on long range. 5761 05:17:18,590 --> 05:17:19,630 Yes. 5762 05:17:22,590 --> 05:17:24,990 Plus we have we have sniper capability. 5763 05:17:25,350 --> 05:17:26,030 And so. 5764 05:17:28,900 --> 05:17:29,960 We need a place to go. 5765 05:17:30,070 --> 05:17:35,510 And what are the requirements to qualify for? We had to get with the snipers on those and figure it out because at the moment it's 5766 05:17:35,510 --> 05:17:40,950 still in its infancy, but they're still warming up to their weapons. 5767 05:17:41,950 --> 05:17:44,030 We're building policies and making sure that. 5768 05:17:44,550 --> 05:17:46,870 And make no mistake about it, if a sniper. 5769 05:17:47,940 --> 05:17:49,420 Deputy, our weapon is. 5770 05:17:49,990 --> 05:17:53,390 Necessary tomorrow, we're going to, we're going to do what we need to do to protect this county. 5771 05:17:53,910 --> 05:17:58,550 But in terms of some specific qualification numbers, I'm not sure they have a number on them. 5772 05:17:58,910 --> 05:18:00,950 I second, I mean I can. 5773 05:18:01,630 --> 05:18:05,630 I can definitely chime in on that the the snipers that are certified snipers with burritos OPD. 5774 05:18:06,590 --> 05:18:10,210 Do their qualification at the Reno start the Lincoln County Gun Club range in Ruidoso Downs. So does Ruidoso the Downs Police 5775 05:18:10,210 --> 05:18:13,830 Department. 5776 05:18:15,270 --> 05:18:17,110 They use it and they just give us. 5777 05:18:17,670 --> 05:18:21,150 Prior notice beforehand in order to be able to come and use Lincoln County. 5778 05:18:23,210 --> 05:18:24,290 So what yardage? 5779 05:18:25,860 --> 05:18:30,240 So the only qualification that I know of specifically with snipers is 100 yards. 5780 05:18:30,830 --> 05:18:35,230 But that's mainly because the capability, obviously we need to practice at further ranges in order to be able to do those 5781 05:18:35,230 --> 05:18:39,630 qualified 6. 5782 05:18:39,990 --> 05:18:42,390 If I made chairman, Commissioners. 5783 05:18:43,390 --> 05:18:47,670 I'm actually taking out our snipers out to White Sands. 5784 05:18:48,390 --> 05:18:50,790 To Stallion range, October 8th. 5785 05:18:51,030 --> 05:18:53,070 So we can stretch those weapons out. 5786 05:18:53,230 --> 05:18:57,430 They have a designated sniper area. I've been on it several times. It's. 5787 05:18:57,550 --> 05:18:58,190 Great, uh. 5788 05:18:58,430 --> 05:19:03,110 Facility, but I want them to have that experience and it's out to 1100 meters. 5789 05:19:03,510 --> 05:19:05,230 Is one of the targets. 5790 05:19:05,550 --> 05:19:09,390 Sort of that point, I mean, we could put resources in county lands. 5791 05:19:10,650 --> 05:19:15,130 Invested into this and it could still be insufficient for what you really need? Well, no. 5792 05:19:15,990 --> 05:19:20,870 Say the sniper the same as the the indoor shooting ranges. 5793 05:19:25,910 --> 05:19:27,230 You build, it will come. 5794 05:19:27,590 --> 05:19:29,950 Trust me, we could build it. 5795 05:19:30,070 --> 05:19:32,030 Dozen different ones and step it up every time. 5796 05:19:32,550 --> 05:19:34,310 My point is that, you know, there could be. 5797 05:19:34,550 --> 05:19:35,750 Potentially more. 5798 05:19:35,950 --> 05:19:37,310 That you need than just this. 5799 05:19:38,760 --> 05:19:42,120 The next question is what would the public be available to utilize? 5800 05:19:42,270 --> 05:19:43,230 The long range port. 5801 05:19:43,830 --> 05:19:49,050 If we got the short range there in the long range also that would, that would be a question for you, the Commission, I mean, if 5802 05:19:49,050 --> 05:19:54,270 you're going to put our long range right next door to the indoor shooting pistol short range. 5803 05:19:55,040 --> 05:19:57,320 Then that would be, you know, a question for. 5804 05:19:57,430 --> 05:19:58,190 The county. 5805 05:19:59,350 --> 05:20:01,990 I would prefer that our dedicated long range. 5806 05:20:03,190 --> 05:20:08,310 With the concerns Commissioner Fraithers brought up, do we want everybody bringing out their squirrel guns? 5807 05:20:08,990 --> 05:20:10,910 You know on county property right there. 5808 05:20:11,230 --> 05:20:11,710 I don't know. 5809 05:20:12,590 --> 05:20:17,270 Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, I can tell you now that even with the indoor one, as it'll be made available to the public, it will 5810 05:20:17,270 --> 05:20:21,950 not be open to the public. It will be in a controlled environment with folks there that are managing it to have a range master 5811 05:20:21,950 --> 05:20:26,630 there. 5812 05:20:27,530 --> 05:20:28,810 Utilize it. 5813 05:20:30,470 --> 05:20:35,430 So you all work with the detention center correction officers to qualify them as well? We do. 5814 05:20:35,870 --> 05:20:37,470 This county owns their firearm. 5815 05:20:38,270 --> 05:20:41,070 There Bob purchased under mine under the sheriff's name. 5816 05:20:41,230 --> 05:20:45,470 They're in my inventory and we qualify. There's there are seals. 5817 05:20:46,360 --> 05:20:47,440 With our weapons. 5818 05:20:53,200 --> 05:20:53,800 Well. 5819 05:20:53,990 --> 05:20:54,510 So, umm. 5820 05:20:54,630 --> 05:20:55,950 We've we've heard this. 5821 05:20:56,030 --> 05:20:57,510 We've heard a couple of options. 5822 05:20:58,740 --> 05:21:02,260 Is there any consensus in terms of direction? Because that's what's being asked. 5823 05:21:05,430 --> 05:21:06,710 Discussion and direction. 5824 05:21:09,880 --> 05:21:10,080 You. 5825 05:21:13,750 --> 05:21:15,110 Here's what I suggest. 5826 05:21:16,980 --> 05:21:21,600 What do we have a timeline? Before I make my suggestion, what's our timeline? 5827 05:21:22,070 --> 05:21:24,710 Ross on the installation of this. 5828 05:21:24,790 --> 05:21:25,630 Indoor range. 5829 05:21:25,750 --> 05:21:27,790 Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, your current. 5830 05:21:28,270 --> 05:21:31,150 Timeline on that one is there intending to have. 5831 05:21:31,270 --> 05:21:31,950 The uh. 5832 05:21:32,630 --> 05:21:34,710 The boxes delivered. 5833 05:21:34,830 --> 05:21:37,630 By mid to late October, early November. 5834 05:21:37,710 --> 05:21:39,910 So we are in the process now of. 5835 05:21:40,910 --> 05:21:44,310 Getting civil contractors to ensure we have the foundations and the concrete done so that when they come, they're lifted off the 5836 05:21:44,310 --> 05:21:47,710 truck and ended up. 5837 05:21:47,830 --> 05:21:48,590 Place umm. 5838 05:21:50,110 --> 05:21:53,670 On that site we also have to have the infrastructure ready for them to be hooked up. 5839 05:21:54,070 --> 05:21:56,990 So we're, we're kind of in a dash, but we're. 5840 05:21:57,310 --> 05:21:58,990 Opened by the end of the year, we have a. 5841 05:21:59,870 --> 05:22:01,310 So maybe not a complete one, but. 5842 05:22:01,670 --> 05:22:02,710 Something substantial. 5843 05:22:02,990 --> 05:22:03,790 The calendar year. 5844 05:22:04,430 --> 05:22:06,950 The calendar. Yes ma'am. Sorry. Yes ma'am. Calendar. 5845 05:22:07,350 --> 05:22:10,230 So, OK, so that's that's one. 5846 05:22:10,790 --> 05:22:11,550 That's one. 5847 05:22:11,790 --> 05:22:12,630 Touchpoint. 5848 05:22:13,950 --> 05:22:15,310 It seems to me that. 5849 05:22:15,710 --> 05:22:16,550 Before we. 5850 05:22:16,910 --> 05:22:19,390 We make a recommendation. 5851 05:22:20,690 --> 05:22:22,120 That's some surveying. 5852 05:22:23,560 --> 05:22:24,720 I mean real surveying. 5853 05:22:24,830 --> 05:22:25,830 Might be important. 5854 05:22:25,910 --> 05:22:26,550 Terms of. 5855 05:22:26,950 --> 05:22:31,470 You know, get in transit up there, looking at depths and heights and so on. See how feasible. 5856 05:22:31,710 --> 05:22:34,230 Feasible it is before direction is given. 5857 05:22:35,910 --> 05:22:37,990 With respect to this thing and and what other? 5858 05:22:38,980 --> 05:22:45,240 Is there any other kind of abatement? Bullet traps? What? What is the real? What is the real cost on this? 5859 05:22:45,350 --> 05:22:48,550 Might, might look like and, and let's do that. 5860 05:22:48,910 --> 05:22:50,870 Because you're going to have we talked about. 5861 05:22:50,950 --> 05:22:52,230 That abatement, that's important. 5862 05:22:52,910 --> 05:22:56,030 It's critical because with the EPA and so forth. 5863 05:22:56,350 --> 05:22:59,190 So you have to have the proper bullet traps, no question about it. 5864 05:22:59,830 --> 05:23:01,470 The heights going from. 5865 05:23:01,550 --> 05:23:04,280 The shooting position to the target area. 5866 05:23:04,430 --> 05:23:05,310 Need to be. 5867 05:23:06,030 --> 05:23:07,710 Understood. Comprehended. 5868 05:23:07,910 --> 05:23:09,990 How much excavations required? 5869 05:23:10,270 --> 05:23:13,270 And in that estimate excavation I'd like. 5870 05:23:14,690 --> 05:23:16,800 Mr. Prather to be part of. 5871 05:23:16,950 --> 05:23:17,910 Looking at uh. 5872 05:23:17,990 --> 05:23:19,950 What we talked about being in that. 5873 05:23:20,030 --> 05:23:21,350 Pulling up a tunnel. 5874 05:23:22,370 --> 05:23:24,450 And see if that's feasible if that can. 5875 05:23:24,670 --> 05:23:26,190 Meet some of your concerns. 5876 05:23:26,670 --> 05:23:27,630 Or maybe all of them. 5877 05:23:27,950 --> 05:23:32,430 Yeah. And and with that, that'll give us an idea whether we can. 5878 05:23:33,510 --> 05:23:34,590 Logically. 5879 05:23:34,670 --> 05:23:37,830 Move in that direction or do we have to go somewhere else? 5880 05:23:38,810 --> 05:23:41,720 Is that is that reasonable for the Commission? 5881 05:23:42,070 --> 05:23:43,390 In terms of direction. 5882 05:23:44,900 --> 05:23:51,040 And then there's also this other dirty little thing that says, we probably need a public hearing or some sort of notice that says. 5883 05:23:52,150 --> 05:23:53,990 We've got to make sure that the folks. 5884 05:23:54,070 --> 05:23:55,870 Are comfortable with that design. 5885 05:23:56,110 --> 05:23:57,510 That we could present them with. 5886 05:24:00,070 --> 05:24:02,070 I don't see your head going up and down, you saying. 5887 05:24:02,870 --> 05:24:05,070 There's an an ordinance that would require that. 5888 05:24:05,590 --> 05:24:08,950 Because there is not zoning in the county we could consider. 5889 05:24:09,070 --> 05:24:10,710 Not doing it or doing it. 5890 05:24:11,810 --> 05:24:15,250 But yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. 5891 05:24:15,950 --> 05:24:16,630 But I think. 5892 05:24:16,710 --> 05:24:19,190 I think we don't. We haven't really comprehended. 5893 05:24:19,990 --> 05:24:23,030 The the problems and the solutions. 5894 05:24:23,230 --> 05:24:25,230 Associate, we're going to have problems wherever we go. 5895 05:24:25,510 --> 05:24:27,630 And we're going to have to have solutions wherever we go. 5896 05:24:28,510 --> 05:24:30,430 Unfortunately, the county does not own. 5897 05:24:31,530 --> 05:24:33,240 Large expanses of land. 5898 05:24:33,670 --> 05:24:34,830 Where we can do this? 5899 05:24:35,790 --> 05:24:36,880 But we do have. 5900 05:24:37,030 --> 05:24:41,950 Some options here and I think we could we could be a little more educated in our. 5901 05:24:43,060 --> 05:24:46,620 Process than what we are currently. I think it's a good idea I do. 5902 05:24:47,270 --> 05:24:49,190 I've actually been out there before. 5903 05:24:49,590 --> 05:24:52,910 And I've looked at it and in my mind's eye it seems to make sense. 5904 05:24:53,350 --> 05:24:54,270 But I don't know. 5905 05:24:55,200 --> 05:24:56,040 You know this. 5906 05:24:56,390 --> 05:24:58,070 The the issues of. 5907 05:24:59,570 --> 05:25:03,360 The parent rounds is always important regardless of who's shooting. 5908 05:25:04,900 --> 05:25:06,580 I'm in a place where I saw. 5909 05:25:07,400 --> 05:25:09,560 Shoot inside a building and he didn't mean to. 5910 05:25:10,270 --> 05:25:11,150 So it happens. 5911 05:25:11,830 --> 05:25:13,470 And he did. He really didn't mean to. 5912 05:25:15,390 --> 05:25:16,790 So it can happen but. 5913 05:25:17,640 --> 05:25:21,080 So let's do that. So I think the direction is. 5914 05:25:21,630 --> 05:25:22,950 Could we not utilize? 5915 05:25:23,390 --> 05:25:27,150 The work Gary has already done for the grading in the. 5916 05:25:28,330 --> 05:25:29,880 Parcel of land to. 5917 05:25:30,670 --> 05:25:36,470 Madam Commissioner, it only includes that site right there that the building and the Foundation are going to be on now. 5918 05:25:36,670 --> 05:25:37,670 We can ask. 5919 05:25:37,750 --> 05:25:40,070 Pettigrew actually did the civil and the. 5920 05:25:40,150 --> 05:25:44,110 The topography we can ask them to expand on that day, it's at the control points. 5921 05:25:44,350 --> 05:25:46,310 So we can ask them to expand on that. 5922 05:25:46,510 --> 05:25:50,470 Yeah, because right now you're you're shooting, you're shooting down a little bit, right And. 5923 05:25:50,830 --> 05:25:55,160 And we want to be horizontal. We don't want to have the defilator inflate issues at all. 5924 05:25:55,510 --> 05:25:57,190 That's a little more complicated. 5925 05:25:57,590 --> 05:25:59,350 So so. 5926 05:25:59,510 --> 05:26:02,270 But let's do Let's do a little survey work, see what needs. 5927 05:26:02,830 --> 05:26:03,750 Needs to be done. 5928 05:26:04,070 --> 05:26:08,710 See if it's feasible. Get some ideas on what what bullet traps cost which might have to. 5929 05:26:10,150 --> 05:26:12,910 Occur wherever we're at, right? That's a, that's a standard. 5930 05:26:13,690 --> 05:26:15,970 Standard cost unless we opt for the. 5931 05:26:16,630 --> 05:26:19,190 A different solution like you were suggesting. 5932 05:26:19,630 --> 05:26:21,350 The High Power club. 5933 05:26:22,890 --> 05:26:24,920 So is that the direction? 5934 05:26:26,850 --> 05:26:29,490 Let's let's figure out what's required to make this work. 5935 05:26:30,310 --> 05:26:31,910 Decide whether it works or not. 5936 05:26:32,070 --> 05:26:35,630 And then that drives us into another solution set. Are you OK with that? 5937 05:26:35,710 --> 05:26:37,470 Yes, Mr. Chairman. 5938 05:26:38,270 --> 05:26:40,310 OK, OK, OK. 5939 05:26:41,140 --> 05:26:42,200 That's the direction. 5940 05:26:42,430 --> 05:26:44,030 OK, OK. 5941 05:26:45,270 --> 05:26:45,670 Bueno. 5942 05:26:48,310 --> 05:26:49,030 Thank you. 5943 05:26:52,150 --> 05:26:52,830 I have a lot of. 5944 05:26:55,950 --> 05:26:56,870 Understanding about. 5945 05:26:57,430 --> 05:27:01,990 Jones target range. I have my own at home too. 5946 05:27:07,630 --> 05:27:08,870 Let's proceed. What do you say? 5947 05:27:09,670 --> 05:27:11,230 Are you good to proceed? You will need a. 5948 05:27:11,590 --> 05:27:12,270 Bio Break. 5949 05:27:15,380 --> 05:27:18,780 I'm good. 22 minute bio break, let's go. 5950 05:27:19,190 --> 05:27:20,630 We're in recess for two minutes. 5951 05:27:22,150 --> 05:27:24,430 How to reset normal meeting? 5952 05:27:25,590 --> 05:27:28,670 Oh sure, Ready. 5953 05:27:29,710 --> 05:27:31,550 Make the motion that we go into executive session. 5954 05:27:33,030 --> 05:27:33,350 2nd. 5955 05:27:34,990 --> 05:27:36,430 Ma'am, clerk, roll call, please. 5956 05:27:38,270 --> 05:27:39,590 Commissioner Wilson, Yes. 5957 05:27:39,670 --> 05:27:44,550 Commissioner Chavez, Yes. Commissioner Prather. Commissioner Sarna aye. Chair Fischer, Aye. 5958 05:27:45,270 --> 05:27:45,630 Motion. 5959 05:27:47,590 --> 05:27:49,470 OK, we're now in executive session. 5960 05:27:50,530 --> 05:27:56,040 I attest matters discussed in the closed meeting were limited to those specified and no action was taken. 5961 05:27:58,590 --> 05:28:00,670 Come back in a regular meeting session. 5962 05:28:02,020 --> 05:28:05,000 And I'm looking for a motion to. 5963 05:28:06,290 --> 05:28:13,120 Approve notices to proceed for eligible properties under the Lincoln County EWP Buyout program. 5964 05:28:13,590 --> 05:28:16,030 Following the executive session as presented. 5965 05:28:18,800 --> 05:28:20,440 Mr. Chair, I make the motion is. 5966 05:28:20,510 --> 05:28:22,030 He just recited. 5967 05:28:23,670 --> 05:28:24,310 I second. 5968 05:28:25,550 --> 05:28:26,990 And clerk roll call, please. 5969 05:28:29,650 --> 05:28:30,600 Commissioner Prather. 5970 05:28:30,670 --> 05:28:32,590 Aye, Commissioner Wilson, Yes. 5971 05:28:33,270 --> 05:28:36,430 Commissioner Sarna Aye. Commissioner Chavez? Yes. Chair Fisher. 5972 05:28:36,790 --> 05:28:36,910 Aye. 5973 05:28:38,720 --> 05:28:42,760 The next regular meeting of the Board of County Commissioners, Lincoln County will be Tuesday, October 20th, 2026 at 08/30 at this 5974 05:28:42,760 --> 05:28:46,800 location. 5975 05:28:47,350 --> 05:28:50,390 Are there any further matters to be discussed before we turn? 5976 05:28:51,500 --> 05:28:52,900 Make a motion. We adjourn. 5977 05:28:53,070 --> 05:28:56,110 2nd Madam Clerk, roll call, please. 5978 05:28:58,630 --> 05:29:01,950 Commissioner Wilson. Yes, Commissioner Chavez. Yes. Commissioner Sarnas. 5979 05:29:02,310 --> 05:29:05,830 Hi, Commissioner Fraylor, Chair Fisher Aye, you are adjourned.