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Good

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morning and welcome to our regular meeting today, Tuesday, September 1, 2026.

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I know that there's

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one change to pull item six off of the consent agenda and just remove it completely.

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Are there other

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changes by the commission?

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If not, can I get a motion to approve our agenda?

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Thank you. I got a motion

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motion from Commissioner Otton. Is there a second motion from a second from Commissioner

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Aaron's. There's no further discussion. Alicia will be a call the roll. Commissioner Putnam.

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Yes.

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Aaron's. Yes.

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On.

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Here.

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Lending. Yes. Motion carries. Next move on to our consent agenda. Agenda minus that item

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six. Can I get a motion to approve our consent agenda?

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So moved.

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I've got a motion from Commissioner Aaron's, is there a second?

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Second.

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Good.

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A second from Commissioner Atten.

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If there's no further discussion, Alicia will you call the roll?

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Commissioner Putnam.

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Yes.

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And?

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Yes.

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Atten.

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Night.

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Lending.

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Yes.

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Motion carries.

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Next we have our public hearing on the 2027 Lincoln County budget.

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And our commission office provided us with an updated copy, paper copy this morning.

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And it was also attached to the agenda online.

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What changes, if any, do the commissioners want to make to the agenda?

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Just for clarification, for public knowledge.

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The changes that were made were with the pay study that was implemented, then we went

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through and changed all the personnel throughout the agenda.

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Also, we had talked about moving 1-0-1-4-1-7-2-4-2-6-0-0-0, which is the HR budget from 12,000 to 4,000.

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I didn't do it when I originally published the provisional, so it's in there now.

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And the other change was revenue and emergency management.

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Heritage confirmed that the state would be doing a 40% match.

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Other than that, those are the only changes that were done from the time of publication until today.

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Okay. Okay. Thank you. First, are there any department heads that want to come up and speak to their budget as presented in our budget that we have now?

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Nobody? All right.

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All right, commissioners. What do you want to do?

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All right. Is there anyone from the public who would like to come up and speak to the budget as presented?

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Oh, okay. Go ahead, commissioners.

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So, thank

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you Madam Chair.

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So, as I mentioned before, I do support trying

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to put something together for some funding

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for the Linux ambulance issue that is going on.

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Paul, I'm going to add out those sheets.

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Step down, I see that.

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Good, can you do that, Sherry?

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Thank you, hand one out to the commissioners.

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So, what I've done is worked through

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around things a little bit and not taking any money out of cash reserves, I kind of ask

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the department.

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Do you want to speak into your microphone a little bit better?

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Yep.

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So what I did is kind of ask the department has to see if there is a little they could give

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each way to help meet the number of 60,000 that I'm recommending for the Lincoln County

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portion, hand those sheets out, everybody can see what each one of those are.

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And this

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is going to be my proposal.

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And I'll go through them once you have them.

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And I'd like to

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say thank you to all the department heads that were willing to give a little bit in their

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budget to make this happen. So I really appreciate your effort in doing so.

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So my proposal is from the Treasurer's budget to take 1,000 from supplies and motor vehicle

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for a total of 2,000, 4,000 from travel and supplies for 2,000, the share of 2,000

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minor equipment, register of deeds, $500, auditor, 2,000 EMS, could cut 2,000 from emergency service

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lines, building in grounds. I don't remember what line item that is, $2,000. HR, $3,000. I believe

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that was out of travel. I believe. And then $10,000 out of the commission's travel budget. That

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was at $21,000. That will bring that down to $11, which the second sheet reflects the new numbers on

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that. When it comes to other economic assistance, my proposal is to not give them a budgetary

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increase from last year to basically keep them at 2026 levels.

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Children's in would

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stay at 15 and drop of 13.5 is what it proposed to help center.

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Stays at 94.73. Solace stays at 45. Interlake stays at 69.03.

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$43.20 and life escapes $53.52, $332, which brings the total

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draw goes up to my request of $60,078.

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Not adding any new dollars to the budget trying to find them within the existing budget.

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So that is my proposal.

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I'll add that to the budget for that.

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And as you all know, they're still working on the operating agreement.

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I think people have seen a draft.

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I have to know Drew has been looking through on,

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because we need obviously to get the legal on that, so.

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So if we got or reduced these items by the amount

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that you're suggesting and move that to what line item

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would that go to, do you know?

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I have no idea.

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I would probably take it out of other economic assistance,

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just add it into that line item, add it

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to other economic assistance as an ambulance line item.

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I'm going to have to double check and see how the accounting would go in it.

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But at this time I would just say add it to there.

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Okay.

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It would be added to the general fund though.

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Nathan is here from the city of Linux.

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If there was any pertinent questions about what's going on.

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Not about this.

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Yeah, commissioners have any questions for commission around.

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So

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we're automatically giving the children's in for sure 28,000 next year and

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No, the recommendation was to leave it at 2026 levels, you'll see those lines.

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So they're actually reductions that understand that but we've

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have we talked about giving the children's in and every year.

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Every year. Every year.

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There has not been any discussion as to what you want to cut out of the budget.

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You guys, you have not had any discussion other than what commissioner ought and is presenting.

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So if you wanted to cut all of it, you can cut all of it.

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He's just saying to keep it level, to take it out of these items.

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Yes, my proposal is to keep them static for 26 or 27.

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Does it mean that you, somebody can make a decision to cut more or cut them out?

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Okay, that's not my proposal.

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So what was the process used to ascertain or determine how and why each of the line items

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under other economic assistance would be raised?

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So for example, the 2026 children's in budget is 15 and in 2027 the proposal is 28.5.

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Paul Anderson, Lincoln County Commission Administrative Assistant, kind of followed

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the same pattern we have since I came in, so that was 2024 for the 25-budget year.

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We sent out applications to the outside agencies, asked them to submit their budget proposal,

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financial audit documents, any justifications.

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this year we changed it up a little bit. We have them submit one page funding

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explanation justification documents make it a little bit easier. Those are sent

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to the board. I include them in the budget bind for other economic

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assistance as an outside agency request and then leave it up to the board to

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determine whether or not they would like to fund that and they have you should

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of the packets in the email if you don't have a handy I can resend you it but that explains

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their audit situation or their financial situations their budget requests and their budget justification.

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Thank you Paul. Yeah I just want to note here so in 2024 children's in was 8,000

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Then it almost doubled the next year, so 2X, and then it doubled again for 2027 to 285.

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Helpline Center has stayed flat for the last three years. That's now jumped up to 12,000.

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Solus has gone up almost 4x, it was in 2024, it was 94, 73, and then 45k and 45k and 50.

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Interlakes started at 67, 85 in 2024, that's kind of had some modest increases.

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His Linux enrichment has stayed flat for the last four years.

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Canton Transit has gone up well, literally doubled in the last four years.

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Decodabilities is statutorily required, so that number presumably is decided based upon

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the statute, and then life-scape has almost doubled as well over the last four years.

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so Commissioner Putnam just to answer your question it these numbers have

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moved up pretty rapidly over the last few years.

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Yeah I you know in a 12

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million dollar shortfall I guess this all looks kind of sad and some of this stuff

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I don't have no clue, like, for instance, Lennox Enrichment, how do we need to be enriching

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them?

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My other concern is here that, and I appreciate Commissioner Otton going to the department

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heads, went to the treasurer, the 4-H, the sheriff, the register of deeds, the auditor,

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And they cut out approximately,

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yeah.

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Yeah, what does that add up to?

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15,000.

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15,000.

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Well, that's 15,000 is spending.

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Yeah, 15,000.

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That should have never been there in the first place,

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because if they can give it up for this,

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should have never been budgeted in the first place.

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So go ahead, Commissioner.

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I don't know if I can still agree with that assessment.

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get no I appreciate that thank you for saying that in public so what is the

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reason that we need to give 60,000 to the ambulance in Linux what was the

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reasoning behind that well we're supposed to have a meeting with Turner County to

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ascertain whether or not there's interest in having an ambulance district that

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would be a taxation district. And I've talked to the Turner County folks about that. They're

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interested in having that meeting. I thought we were interested in having that meeting. And what

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that would do is if the ambulance district was approved, is that would place a...

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Levy or attacks on the people who would actually use the ambulance service themselves as opposed to coming out of the general fund that comes from all taxpayers across the county. So I think that we should have that meeting with Turner County before we spend any taxpayer money here on the ambulance district, because I thought there was motivation to want us at least

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least I'm being told on the part of Turner County, they're interested in setting up an ambulance

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district. And I think we ought to sit down and talk with them about doing the same thing.

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Now, would that be on certain townships with surrounding Linux then?

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Yep, go ahead, Commissioner.

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The one example is service territory.

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Well, what's the territory?

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Which includes like the city of T and Delta free township. They have they have all committed a think there's an email out there just in the last few days that breaks down which of the entities that have decided to get on board in the dollar.

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So yes, it includes townships, but this is not intended to pay for the township's portions because this would not cover that.

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Um, what are we giving? I'm just, I don't know, I'd ask Mr. Earns.

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Okay.

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Do you think I understand what you're saying about the ambulance district and what by putting a line item and moving this money doesn't necessarily mean that the county is approving the expanse itself.

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I'm assuming there's going to have to be more discussions on a vote. Would you agree?

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sounds to me like we give budget authority and that makes it happen. I don't

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know that that's necessarily true. It seems like it works out. Legal is shaking

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their head so I don't think we're actually approving the expenditure. There

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would have to be a joint agreement between all the entities and that's still in

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its infancy. Yeah and I think the joint agreement was sent around is that the

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email you're referring to Commissioner Odden.

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There were no, according to the one I've seen, there were no numbers attached to it.

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There were supposed to be an exhibit attached to it that put all of the respective entities

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breakdowns and nobody's provided that to me.

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Commissioner Putnam, you've been provided that?

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No, I haven't.

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My question being is we're going to give one ambulance district money or proposing here.

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But what about the other ambulance districts we we're going to what are we going to do for them?

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Go ahead, Commissioner Allen.

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So to address the management errors, this is not to money, this is the money to put the line item in.

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All right, sorry.

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So this is not to spend the money, this is to get a line item in the budget to have the funds there if needed.

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Is the intent of this? Otherwise, we all realize if we need the money next year,

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there were going to have to come and take it out of the budget or out of

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out of reserves to have something done and there did not seem to be any appetite to do that.

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The last time I brought this up, Commissioner Putnam, as are the other ambulance services,

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they haven't been here to ask. And I guess they do. We'll do with that at that moment,

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but they haven't come up here. So I'm not concerned about that at this moment.

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Well, yeah, and I think the reason they haven't asked is because they're able to fund their operations on their own without assistance from the county commission.

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That's why, and they run less overhead than Linux. Linux has higher overhead, and that's choice that they've made.

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That's a level of service above and beyond the others as they want to provide.

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And I just keep going back to this issue of we should collaborate with Turner County.

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I've called township supervisors, didn't reach all of them but talked to a lot of them about this issue

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and how they view the taxation of an ambulance district and look, nobody likes the idea of a tax increase especially when they're concerned about spending.

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It makes it really difficult to do tax increases when there's no fiscal discipline.

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However, in the township supervisors that I've spoken with, they're all fairly conservative

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folks, and they all understand the importance of having an ambulance service to come when

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it's called, and so they're willing to come to the table to talk about forming an ambulance

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district.

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But what I think they're concerned about is this issue of potential double taxation.

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You get taxed on your property taxes, you get taxed as a township, you give the money to the township,

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you give the money to the county or to the county. Then the county sends one check out the door

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in this instance proposed for $60,000 and then the township sent money out the door for

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whatever dollar amounts they would decide to support the ambulance district.

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While the issue has been brought up to me and sympathetic to this as well as why do we

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have this taxation system that we do if we're going to send these checks out instead why

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I don't we just form the ambulance district and they would apply the tax to the affected

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people and then those persons would have to pay for the service as opposed to county

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tax payers from around the whole county paying for it.

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And then the other issue comes in is this agreement.

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As I understand it, this is not just a proposal to give $60,000 to the Linux Ambulance

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District. There has also been a request made of us to participate in this group of like

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20 different entities. All that affected townships, the City of Linux, Turner County. I mean,

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And there's a whole host of them, and there would be this committee of like 20 people

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as I understand it.

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I may not be precisely correct on that number of entities, but I'm just reaching for

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that right now.

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It's all these entities, and they would be a partner to this contract where the City of

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Lennox would provide the service, and then all these other entities would come together

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and just pay for that surface.

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What I'm concerned about though is that those entities, even though they're paying the

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fee, they don't have governance authority over the ambulance system.

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They pay the money, but they don't control the system.

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In fact, I think the contract specifically says Commissioner Rotten that Linux would control

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that.

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So, really, you're relying upon whoever in the city of Lennox to make the policies and

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the procedures as well as the oversight, but all the other participants, the donor entities,

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they don't have any oversight over the taxpayer money that leaves the taxpayer.

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So they were just, I am concerned about setting up that kind of system where there is no end-to-end

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control from where the money goes out of the taxpayer pocket to where it gets spent. And I think the

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more effective approach, but also the one that ensures there is taxpayer oversight is

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the ambulance district itself.

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Go ahead, Commissioner Anton.

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So you guys were dealing with this way before I showed up here two months ago, and I'm

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under the impression that a taxing district was decided against because of one flight.

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So it just seems like it's a red herring thrown out there on this issue.

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as the governance of the board, I'm pretty confident that some of these people contributing and being part of this don't want to be running the ambulance.

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That's my information from one of the cities that they're not interested in having a spot on a board or being in charge of running the ambulance. Linux has done it for a long time and they've done a fine job of it.

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And we're not voting on an ambulance, we're not making any decisions on an ambulance.

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This is simply reducing these budgetary amounts and then allotting $60,000 for future discussions regarding ambulance services.

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So if we could get, move that off of the dime, since we're not actually debating what we're going to do to get our budget finalized.

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just to say when it comes to the townships or the other entities that's for

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Linux to deal with them as how that works out I don't believe that's for us

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make the decisions for the townships of how the board has set up for them and

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what kind of representation they have they're contributing that's something that

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they can negotiate themselves I'm focusing on Lincoln County's

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contribution. Mr. Schmidt did you want to say something? Well yes I do and I

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I'll have to work again. Thank you. We're up against the deadline here up in the

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over the 31st of December and then that ambulance is cut off and remains in the

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city of Lennox. So I mean it's a life or death issue in some some areas. I can

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graduate Commissioner Otten for his endeavor to do this and what the idea was

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that you tried to distribute this so it's equal so everybody pays something. I mean, we had

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a meeting on an ambulance district earlier in the year, a couple years ago and that was the

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most, one of the most inflammatory meetings I think we've had on opposition to that. Now,

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maybe the temperature has changed but we're coming up with a sum of money that was talked about as

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possible county portion. That's all. And Commissioner

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Arton has found a way in which to have that funds be

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available. Does it mean we're going to spend it?

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Does it mean anything? It just means that we now have

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sequestered the funds if we decided to go ahead with

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that proposal. So I think I don't see anything wrong

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with putting that aside and saying that these funds are

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and I look at our staff for willingness to try and cut their own budget to get

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this some available. So I think we have a lot of goodness and a lot of wins

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right here. So I don't have a problem with just passing this same saying we got

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the 60,000 should we want it if we got it if we don't we don't have to use it.

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So do you need a motion madam chair? I'd like to speak. Oh excuse me.

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Commissioner Putnam, go ahead, you have the floor.

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Okay, I've just got a thank-herman for lowering the budget.

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He just helped a 27-budget here, it'll be by lowering it.

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And I appreciate that.

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And I'm not, I'm not a proponent at this time for this, so.

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Do you want us to take these piecemeal for the record?

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Any changes that you make to the budget, you'll have to do a motion on each item.

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So for instance, treasure reducing supplies, no, you can do this in one minute.

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Okay, so should I do the reductions and then if we do, if somebody wants to make a motion

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on moving 60,000 to the ambulance, do that separately,

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does that make sense?

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Well, give me a minute to think about this.

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Okay.

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Well, what's wrong with making a motion on this handout?

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Just say make this handout.

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Yeah.

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Incorporate that into the budget.

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That's my question.

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In writing.

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Yeah.

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Well, and then I'll have it in the minutes like this.

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Sure.

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Okay.

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Well, if we're going to do one felt swoop on this, then I would take public input on what Commissioner

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out and has prison and is

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there public input on what commissioner out and

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prison and if

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not is there a motion. I was so moved Madam Chair. Thank you

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is there a second and

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so just to clarify the motion it's to reduce what's on

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the sheet by the amounts indicated leave all the other economic assistance at

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the 2026 levels and then move that savings to an ambulance line item that would

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be under other economic assistance or wherever I need to put it within the

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I'm going to turn it over to the side of the head, and I'm going to turn it over to the side of the head.

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or budget, or wherever sharing needs to put it to be in compliance with what she needs to do. Is that your motion, commissioner, and yes, and my second, or that's your second. So commissioner,

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Schmidt, is that your motion? Yes, commissioner, and that's your second.

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Alicia, will you call the role? Commissioner Putnam?

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I guess I don't quite understand at all. Are we voting on this to give it to them? Or what are we doing?

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voting to put it in the budget.

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I restated the motion, so that is the motion.

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Do you need a restated Commissioner Putnam?

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Well, just restated them.

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What did I just ask?

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So the motion, as I understand it,

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is to reduce the departments by the amounts listed

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on the sheet that Commissioner Atten gave us

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to leave the other economic assistance levels

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at the 2026 levels and to move or add a 60,000

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in line item for ambulance, services, other, under other economic assistance, or whatever

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line item, our auditor feels as necessary to remain in compliance.

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That's the motion.

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And then you're going to do public comment.

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I did ask for public comment.

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Yep.

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Commissioner Putnam.

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Well, I don't like the idea of moving 60,000 over there that isn't even budgeted yet.

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So no.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Aaron's?

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Yes.

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Otton?

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Aye.

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Landing.

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Yes.

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Motion carries.

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Any other commissioners on any other budgeted items on changes that they want to make?

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Is it appropriate, Madam Chair, to talk about before we begin how our staff has worked very

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hard on reducing the budget?

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You can certainly say whatever you would like to say that I offered to have department heads

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come up and address their budget and explain that. But sure, go ahead. I would like to stay focused

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on what we're doing here, which is approving our budget or not. I was talking about changes from

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the original budget that various departments have made. For example, the sheriff's part-time wages

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have gone down. The jail overtime wages have gone down. The jail health insurance has gone down.

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our P&Z has gone down we have had many different changes and when I added all

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them up that came to on over two hundred thousand dollars worth of actual

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cuts that our staff has made in their operation and their departments and I

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think that shouldn't go unnoticed so I would commend them for what they've done

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so I just like to make that statement. The other one is I want to talk before we

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get into the budgets.

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Before so everybody can understand that this budget process just

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didn't happen by accident. So when the budget begins back in February 3rd, there has

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been 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13th, 13th meetings of the budget committee that

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But every budget that is presented by a department head has gone over, has been looked at not only

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by themselves, but by the other department heads.

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So there's a lot of internal things.

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When this budget is finally prepared, there are a lot of questions that were asked by department

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heads of each other as to the relevance of the money that they were asking for.

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So I mean it just isn't that they come out of this thing with a wish list. It's a very serious thing.

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I commend each department head and I commend our auditor for how well this thing has been

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greened through. So when you see these numbers that are in front of us this morning, they have

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been looked at and re-looked at and they're real. So whatever we decide or the commission decides

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to do with them is another thing but I just want to commend our audit committee

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and our auditor for hard work in putting this thing together. Thank you. On July

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15th there was a budget published and then on July 30th there was another

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budget published and if you look at this is dated now August 18th you heard the

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auditors say what the only changes were. There was a reduction in the HR and then one

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other line item and then there's been the ones we've made today. But there may have

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been some minor reductions in line items contained within the budget but here's what the numbers

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state. These are the largest departmental increases in order for the top five

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from July 15 to July 30. Sheriff's Office started out at 4.8 million and on

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July 30 they went to 5.5 million. That's an overall increase in 621,000. On July

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On July 15th, the state's churny's office started out at 3.2 July 30th, 3.439,000, planning

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and zoning 445 to 566, that's 120,000, jail increased by 120,000, auditor increased

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by 57,000. Now, what drives some of that? Some of that is being driven by the wage study

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we did. That was an input that was not available to us back on July 15th that was feathered

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in later on. So you've got this personnel category 41, got salaries over time, part time

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wages, OASI, retirement workers' comp and health insurance. And so yes, some of the department

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and heads made cuts, but overall, at least for those five departments, they have an

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overall increase. And just for those five departments alone, that's a general fund

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increase of, if I'm doing my math right, about $1.2 million increase on that personnel

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but excuse me for all departments, for the personnel, excuse me, for all departments.

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So any statements that would suggest that the budget is being cut,

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you have to take

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into consideration that there's almost a 6.3% increase of money coming out of the general

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fund and going towards these expenditures. So I would just caution that we be careful

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about making any assertions that the overall budget is going down. The overall budget is

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going up, not down. And then additionally, and what I have concern about is we have, we're

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We're using $11 million out of our reserve fund to help balance our budget.

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And most families don't do that and most businesses don't do that.

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We're using a lot of money, $11 million to fund some of that is for ongoing expenses

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and some of that is for one time expenditures.

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measures. And my concern about the overall sustainability of a budget in which reserves

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need to be used to pay for ongoing expenditures. You wouldn't run a business like that.

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You definitely wouldn't run your family budget like that.

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What changes do you want to make to the budget commissioner errands?

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I've tried to make budgets for changes for the last seven years and they get shot down.

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Well, let's hear them.

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Okay, let's go.

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Let's do this.

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I just want to let you know this probably take about an hour or two.

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That's fine.

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Okay.

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Got time.

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Start on page one, August 18th.

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It's page one of 61.

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That's the general fund revenues.

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Page two is the just a continuation of that.

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Page 3, Board of Commissioners, Personnel Services,

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Salaries and Wages for next year are scheduled

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to go up 6.53%. I don't know of anybody in society today who's getting a 6.53% increase.

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I don't even know why that was proposed or who put that in here. That is so out of step

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with what's going on with family budgets today.

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Why elected county commissioners need to have a 6.53% pay raise.

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Commissioner Aaron, do you also have Paul's wages in there?

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Okay, but I'm looking at, yeah, I'm looking at personnel services.

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What pay to you on?

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I'm on page three.

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part of that. So, why is his line item with our line item, man? Because he's under

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your budget. Okay. And that's wages? Well, I don't think any county employee should

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be getting a 6.53%. No offense, Paul. He would be getting a, it would be budgeted. All

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county wages were budgeted for a 3% coal and 2.5% step. Yeah. And it rounds up.

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But it says 6.53% here, that's five.

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There's an increase for Commissioner Wages, because what we have historically done is we take the commissioners or elected officials and we give them the 5.5% for budgeting increase to match what we are budgeting for the employees.

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Well, the county you asked for the changes and thank you for the clerk to change commissions.

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Well, the county commissioners should be flat-lined and not receive any increase.

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Are you going to make a motion on each page that you're going through?

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And I think that's probably what we're going to want to do if these are going to be extensive.

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So, and I'm writing them down as we go, so.

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I move to flat-line the commissioner salary for next year.

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here. Well, typically before we take motions, we hear public comment.

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Is there public comment

451
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:29,270
on what commissioners proposes?

452
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,600
Lending Montgomery, Fairview, South Dakota. I think that is

453
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,280
a very prudent suggestion. I'd like to see it passed.

454
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:45,640
So you are any

455
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:48,680
other public comment.

456
00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:57,370
I appreciate to look in at I'm sorry, Beth Coil, Harrisburg. Appreciate looking at the budget

457
00:42:57,370 --> 00:43:01,270
and try to cut some items. I would also wonder why we can't see the budget.

458
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:08,070
Understand it's online but here as a meeting and we're at the taxpayers, why don't we have

459
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:12,770
a copy of the budget on the screen that we can see what's going on. Thank you.

460
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,220
All right, so any other public comment?

461
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:23,260
All right. Madam Chair, I have a question.

462
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,920
What's your question? Well, are we going to vote on every change that Commissioner Aaron

463
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:36,800
once I would rather have him go through his entire changes through the overall budget and then

464
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:44,480
react to that rather than going change by change by change. I think the way that we should do it

465
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:51,740
is by each department number and then we can do it page by page but I don't I think it's too much

466
00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:58,660
to keep track of to talk about it overall. There's some stuff that you may not want to do. Commissioner

467
00:43:58,660 --> 00:44:02,500
Mr. Aaron, your making a motion is that your only motion under the Board of Commissioners

468
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:13,560
is to leave that flat as the 2026 amount that's the only one on that line item.

469
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:14,280
Okay.

470
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:18,480
Well, what other changes do you want to make to that on page three?

471
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:21,100
Well, I'm making that motion the way it is.

472
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,040
All right.

473
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,100
So, there has been a motion made, is there a second?

474
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,120
I second it.

475
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,980
Got a motion in a second. Alicia, you'll call the roll.

476
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:33,780
Commissioner Patna. Yes. Schmidt. No. Aaron's. Yes.

477
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Oton. Hi. Lending. Yes.

478
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:37,720
Motion carries.

479
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:43,140
Other changes that you'd like to make on the board of commissioners department.

480
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,660
Go down to the bottom.

481
00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:53,420
I see all of these subscriptions on there. To the Canton Chamber of Commerce.

482
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:59,720
The Sioux Falls Development Foundation, the Beersford Chamber, the Hearstburg Chamber.

483
00:45:00,020 --> 00:45:09,360
The Lennox Chamber, the T Chamber, the Sioux Falls Chamber, and then the South Dakota Association of Counties and NACO dues.

484
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:22,680
And really the question I bring up more of a rhetorical question is. Why do we just spend money with chambers of commerce?

485
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:33,890
There's other organizations, there's the Lions Club, there's the Rotary, I could go on. There seems to be this belief somehow that

486
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:37,290
government needs to be embedded with the Chamber of Commerce.

487
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:47,090
And I just don't believe that we should be spending government money to these organizations.

488
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:50,670
There's all kinds of organizations we can be involved in.

489
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:58,390
But I want to, this thing here, the South Dakota Association of Counties and NACO dues,

490
00:45:58,390 --> 00:46:08,690
$15,000, and then we send property taxpayer money to the Association of Counties, and then

491
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:13,710
they go up there and they lobby for the things that their Board of Directors says we should

492
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:21,170
do. But sometimes it's against the interest of taxpayers, so we're using taxpayer money

493
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:27,610
to lobby against taxpayers. Even Ronald Reagan was against taxpayer-funded lobbying back

494
00:46:27,610 --> 00:46:35,530
in the 80s as President of the United States. Well, it's a good example to follow. So my

495
00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:42,550
motion is to remove spending for all of those organizations on there.

496
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:45,900
Is there a second?

497
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:55,200
I second it. Got a motion in a second. Any discussion? Madam Chair. Go ahead. So can somebody

498
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:05,240
explained to me that exactly the SDACC and the NACO doves, how that is utilized for

499
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,940
the benefit of Lincoln County.

500
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,720
Commissioner Schmidt, would you like to address that?

501
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:15,000
The County Association is your voice of county government.

502
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:20,960
It looks out for all of the different things that the state tries to put on unfedded mandates

503
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,620
that counties have to pay for.

504
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:29,420
I think it's extremely nearsighted not to be a part of that and the reason you're some

505
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:35,020
is there is because it's based on a per capita basis and because Lincoln County is the

506
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:38,540
third largest county one would expect that our dues would be there.

507
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:44,020
As far as the national association the counties are concerned, they are the ones that look

508
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:50,680
out for us on a national level, they are the ones that put money aside for counties to

509
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:57,260
to do all kinds of things. For example, it may not affect us, but they have a pilt thing

510
00:47:57,260 --> 00:48:03,020
which affects the counties in the West River. It may not affect Lincoln County. But overall

511
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:09,620
that one there is the one that provides us with a voice on a national level. So if you're

512
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:13,040
going to be a participant, you're going to be a county. You're going to be an isolated

513
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:20,240
island by yourself. And as far as lobbying against each something of the taxpayers, I don't

514
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,880
think so. I think if you look at this association and the things that they

515
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,420
will be against and prevent it from happening, it would have cost the tax

516
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:34,240
bearers if we'd been sitting out there on an island by ourselves. And I say, I'm

517
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:39,340
not arguing about chambers of commerce. That's philosophical. But when it comes to

518
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:43,960
belonging to your state organization and your national organization, I don't know

519
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,700
of any other organization that does not want to participate. So I think this is

520
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:55,740
extremely excited on our part. Commissioner Atten, for example, indigent legal services.

521
00:48:56,540 --> 00:49:04,060
The Association of County Commissioners lobbied pretty hard to get the state to take back

522
00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:10,160
on handling some of those appeals so that the counties weren't having to pay for those

523
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:16,980
appeals and that was successful and there is now an indigent services that the state is

524
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:22,720
paying for which was an assistance to the counties and so it did save the tax payers

525
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:31,780
money and so it is definitely a benefit to the counties to belong to that as far as

526
00:49:31,780 --> 00:49:38,840
the board making a decision, the board votes on resolutions and things of that nature

527
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:47,600
to move forward to the entire congregation of counties when we go and have our meetings

528
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:53,260
and then we sit in an auditorium and we vote and make amendments on different resolutions.

529
00:49:53,960 --> 00:50:00,720
So to say that the Board of Directors makes all these decisions, that's not true.

530
00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:07,780
And I agree with Commissioner Schmidt, the Chamber, I mean, that is philosophical.

531
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:14,160
I do support spending those monies to be part of those things.

532
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,000
However, if that's the way this board wants to go, I'm fine with that.

533
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:25,760
But I can't support removing the Association of County Commissioners and the NACO dues.

534
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,100
One other thing I neglected if you looked at our road and bridge fund the amount of money

535
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:36,900
that are that we've received from counties have been through lobbying out the state legislature

536
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:43,520
continually and not only that but our townships have appreciated our efforts as well.

537
00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:49,120
So there's any number of things I mean I didn't we didn't come prepared to find out all

538
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,300
of the different things that come through our lobbying effort or through our joint relationship

539
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,820
with associations. So, manager.

540
00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:59,520
Yep, go ahead, Commissioner Rotten.

541
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,200
So, that was, I was a little aware of most of that information.

542
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,000
A lot of that was for the other commissioners

543
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,760
and the audience of what they do.

544
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,940
I think being the only one that has served in peer,

545
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,300
I do know the worth and the value of what they do bring

546
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,120
to the state capital and advocating for counties.

547
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,800
They've advocated for my bills and they've killed my bills.

548
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,340
So, they do pretty good work up there.

549
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:25,520
I will not be supporting this motion.

550
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:28,350
Thank you.

551
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:29,470
There's no further discussion.

552
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:30,830
At least, shall we follow up?

553
00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:33,310
I would like to weigh in on this.

554
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:34,710
Go ahead, commissioner.

555
00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:36,110
I have time here.

556
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:45,750
I concur somewhat with Commissioner Smith on this deal, but is

557
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,320
this something that we can

558
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:55,380
take off and then next year we can talk about it?

559
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,700
We're having our budget discussion and setting the budget for the next commission right now.

560
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:12,480
Well, I guess I would be to take in everything off except maybe that then.

561
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Okay. Well, we're just voting on the motion that Commissioner Aaron made and that you seconded.

562
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:23,060
Okay. I seconded them. We take it all off.

563
00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:28,540
I mean, he can make a motion to amend the main motion and so it sounds like you were

564
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:29,040
trying to do.

565
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,980
There you go.

566
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:31,480
You're so smart.

567
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:38,780
We'd like to make a motion to amend and take off all the chambers and then leave the

568
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:41,400
SDACC and NACO dues on there.

569
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:52,760
If they're doing us a good job, but now Commissioner Smith did say that they lobbied for the

570
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,820
bridges, the roads and bridges, the state, but that actually, to me,

571
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:02,940
shouldn't be nothing need to be lobbied on. That should be a given that we have

572
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:08,780
to take care of our roads and our bridges and the state should be taking care of

573
00:53:08,780 --> 00:53:13,620
us. Is there a second to the motion? Second. I've got a motion to amend and a

574
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:17,220
second. At least, should we call the role on the amendment?

575
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:17,360
All right.

576
00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:18,800
Commissioner Putnam.

577
00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:19,480
Yes.

578
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,260
Schmidt.

579
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:28,260
And the motion calls for keeping, keeping on these issues and they don't give her to the

580
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:28,460
rest.

581
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:29,060
Yes.

582
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:30,960
Anne?

583
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:31,760
Yes.

584
00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:32,400
Otton.

585
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,540
Nay.

586
00:53:34,020 --> 00:53:34,600
Landy.

587
00:53:41,830 --> 00:53:42,750
Motion carries.

588
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:46,810
So as amended,

589
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:51,650
we need to vote.

590
00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:57,160
At least should we call the wrong.

591
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:58,760
Commissioner Putnam?

592
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,680
I guess not.

593
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:00,980
Yes.

594
00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:01,140
Yes.

595
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:02,700
Yes.

596
00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:03,280
Aaron?

597
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:04,020
Yes.

598
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:04,680
Otton.

599
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:05,660
All right.

600
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:06,380
Landing.

601
00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:06,920
Yes.

602
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,240
Motion carries.

603
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:26,150
My apologies.

604
00:54:26,330 --> 00:54:27,510
We'll do that moving forward.

605
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:29,210
All right.

606
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:30,190
Hurry Joel.

607
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:30,630
Go ahead.

608
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:36,770
What's that?

609
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:38,750
What page are we on now?

610
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:41,510
Well, that's up to Commissioner Aaron.

611
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:43,730
He's going through the chat.

612
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:45,250
changes that he wants to make.

613
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:50,620
Now the other changes I'm concerned about here

614
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:52,400
are by department.

615
00:54:54,730 --> 00:54:57,050
So just for simplicity for me,

616
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:59,530
if you want to change it by department, can we do it?

617
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:03,890
If you don't want to do it by page, can we do it

618
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:06,710
by maybe personnel and then other

619
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:08,730
and then capital improvement by, I think.

620
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:10,770
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

621
00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:12,670
So for instance, we've made changes

622
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:15,090
when I look at the department category

623
00:55:15,090 --> 00:55:18,490
3, 4, 1, 1 board of commissioners and we made those changes.

624
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:23,150
So now I'm asking what is the next department?

625
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:25,830
So for example, next department is state's turning.

626
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:28,010
What page is that on?

627
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:29,110
Page 9.

628
00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:29,890
All right.

629
00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:31,710
So then everybody go to page 9.

630
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:32,290
Oh, okay.

631
00:55:32,610 --> 00:55:32,930
Got you.

632
00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:36,290
And that's department 4151.

633
00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:36,430
Yep.

634
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:37,230
Okay.

635
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:38,530
Go ahead, commissioners.

636
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:46,460
There was an increase between July 15th and July 30th of 139,000.

637
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:47,280
now

638
00:55:49,620 --> 00:55:56,020
their original budget increase to that three point excuse me use the wrong

639
00:55:56,020 --> 00:56:03,620
one and what I'm concerned about is the adding of F new FTEs into the

640
00:56:03,620 --> 00:56:09,160
county and that's going to be my concern with most of these departments well

641
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:14,100
just two shares department states attorney what I'm concerned about is adding in

642
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:22,080
and too many new FTEs, and so right now I want to roll back all those FTEs in the state's

643
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:29,300
attorney's office. We can look at it next year, but my motion is no new FTEs in the state's

644
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:30,040
attorney's office.

645
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:40,460
Well, okay, so is there some monetary amount that we can associate with that? Drew, are there

646
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:41,720
FTEs built?

647
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:55,580
And thank you for bringing that up Commissioner Aaron's. I actually had a discussion with Commissioner Notten was at yesterday that Tom was reviewing whether those actually were in need and so he was possibly going to be coming before the commission and asking to cut those out.

648
00:56:56,860 --> 00:57:09,240
If I may, if we could obviously don't have to pass the budget, but if we could have some time for us to review our caseload and come back to the commission and possibly cut those out at a later meeting.

649
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:19,460
Okay. Good. Next to the Sheriff's Department. Page. Page. Number. Yep. One second, please.

650
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:38,600
Thank you.

651
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:43,820
Page 20.

652
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:46,480
Do I see it?

653
00:57:49,230 --> 00:57:50,170
Went too far.

654
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Concerned about the FTEs here as well.

655
00:57:56,420 --> 00:58:03,720
I'd like to have a discussion about that. It's a pretty big increase. I can understand

656
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:14,800
And increasing deputies, but there's been, if I recall correctly in my notes here, there's also an increase in corrections officers.

657
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:15,880
Is that correct?

658
00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:19,080
We call them CEOs.

659
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:21,160
Page 20.

660
00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:21,920
Page 20.

661
00:58:23,460 --> 00:58:23,480
Okay.

662
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,980
Good morning, Sheriff.

663
00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:27,260
Good morning, Steve Swanson, like you're kind of sure.

664
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,660
Okay, so CEOs would not be in the sheriff's budget to be in the jail budget.

665
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:38,420
in the jail budget. And how many new CEOs are contemplated in your budget?

666
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:39,000
Two.

667
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:40,260
Okay.

668
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:48,100
Now, our jail numbers have stayed relatively flat over the course of the last year.

669
00:58:48,580 --> 00:58:51,700
If not, have probably gone down over the last two years.

670
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:54,780
Commissioner Earns, are you moving to a different item right now?

671
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:56,020
We're on the sheriff's budget.

672
00:58:56,460 --> 00:59:00,980
My apologies. I'm on the issue of corrections officers,

673
00:59:00,980 --> 00:59:06,360
which I was just informed to fall under the jail budget so we got a term

674
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,560
actually to page 22.

675
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:17,320
Page 22.

676
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:28,020
So we're under department 4212 right now.

677
00:59:33,350 --> 00:59:33,690
So just

678
00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:41,410
personnel services alone in the jail from last year to this year are increasing

679
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:50,850
by 64 percent. They're going from 862,000 to 1.4 million.

680
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:55,400
And essentially, so that's

681
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,940
a 64 percent increase. I understand the reason for

682
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,040
The increase for some of that is current personnel will be receiving increase in salary, wages and benefits. I get that part. And that's fine. But what I'm concerned about is adding new FTEs. And so we've decreased our jail numbers, or they've stayed relatively flat, but now we're adding more correctional officers.

683
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,180
I'd like to get a better understanding of that.

684
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,880
Okay, it's fairly simple.

685
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,820
Look, the new courthouse being built, we're going to be covering more courtrooms, triple the courtrooms,

686
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:48,840
and we have now a control room that we have to staff during business hours,

687
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,600
which will take up to two people.

688
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:57,600
We have front security, and then we remove the redundancy that my office

689
01:00:58,420 --> 01:01:03,880
the sheriff's office people will be separated from the jail people so we don't have the back

690
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:09,660
up with the people in the current office so I honestly think two is going to be a stretch

691
01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:16,260
to be able to cover all this but that's our ask is two FDA's to help cover the additional

692
01:01:16,260 --> 01:01:24,620
courtrooms, the control room and the other functions that we do we also have the sex offender

693
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:31,920
registration, fingerprinting, pistol permits, they do have gamut of things, but adding

694
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:38,450
to it to cover that new building is probably not enough.

695
01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:47,290
Now just mechanically in terms of the actual flow that undergoods the premise of needing

696
01:01:47,290 --> 01:01:55,430
more people, what you're saying is the judges are actually going to be processing more

697
01:01:55,430 --> 01:02:02,250
criminal defendants than what they do now because that's not the case. I mean, the

698
01:02:02,250 --> 01:02:10,330
case load is the case load today or the case load on the first week in November is

699
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:15,390
going to be relatively the same as the case load on the third week in November when we're

700
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:22,790
moved into the courthouse. So in terms of the there won't be an increase in the number

701
01:02:22,790 --> 01:02:26,210
of criminal defendants that have to be moved around? Will there?

702
01:02:27,490 --> 01:02:32,870
No, but no, and yes, depends on who they keep in jail and don't keep in jail. Those

703
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:39,330
numbers traditionally go up for whatever reason we've stayed flat or even gone down. However,

704
01:02:40,310 --> 01:02:41,510
the court cases,

705
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:50,780
the courts here, magistrate, circuit court, divorce court, those cases continually

706
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:59,220
go up and we still have to cover those courtrooms for security. But people in jail, the increase

707
01:02:59,220 --> 01:03:05,880
in court doesn't correlate with the people in jail. So if I come here to contest a speeding

708
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:12,400
ticket, we have a deputy in their first security, sentencing, et cetera. So if we've increased

709
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,340
the courtrooms, I'm assuming we're going to have to cover those. So the number of people

710
01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:22,420
in jail does not correlate with the increase in cases because there is an increase in cases.

711
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,560
And it increases annually.

712
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:32,840
I think there is an overall increase in the number of cases that just goes without saying.

713
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:41,920
My concern here is that the request is not commensurate with the way that we're going to be moving

714
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,940
people through the courthouse over there because essentially we're going to be moving people

715
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:52,400
through the courthouse over there in terms of numbers, the same way that we've moved

716
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,820
them through this courthouse.

717
01:03:54,340 --> 01:03:54,760
Not true.

718
01:03:55,560 --> 01:04:03,040
We have a control room now that all movement for inmates through the courth system and

719
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:12,580
back into the holding area for the thing is secured and has to be monitored by the control

720
01:04:12,580 --> 01:04:12,980
room.

721
01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:16,020
and doors opened, elevators allowed to operate.

722
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,240
So that is a new task that has been put on us,

723
01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:22,560
which is gonna take a person.

724
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,940
No, I get that, Sheriff, and I appreciate that,

725
01:04:26,220 --> 01:04:29,540
but that's the schematics and the layout,

726
01:04:30,220 --> 01:04:32,900
but the number of people won't be increasing.

727
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:37,280
I mean, you're gonna see general annual increases.

728
01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:42,300
Right, but just because we're moving to a new building

729
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:49,200
doesn't mean we have more defendants coming to see us correct so so we don't have a control room

730
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:54,820
in this building right so we don't have to man that there is a control room in the new building

731
01:04:55,500 --> 01:05:03,380
we will have to man that and who and who is that being manned by I would call them a court

732
01:05:03,380 --> 01:05:09,540
or a corrections officer a courtroom security officer and we call them CEOs and are we taking

733
01:05:09,540 --> 01:05:13,100
that out of height or is that a new FTE position as well?

734
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:15,760
That would be one of the positions that I need.

735
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:17,160
Okay.

736
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,560
In addition to what I have, we're understaffed in that area currently now.

737
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,140
Yeah.

738
01:05:22,660 --> 01:05:29,280
So, we hire one new correctional officer for the control room, I get that part.

739
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:35,600
But the current existing correctional officers that are used to handle defendants in this building

740
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,620
will now just instead report to a different building, right?

741
01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:40,640
Correct.

742
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:50,120
And so their numbers would, is that why do you need the second correctional officer though?

743
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:54,600
Okay, there's going to be some redundancies.

744
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:02,720
If this controlling CR is sick, vacation, it has to be manned.

745
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:10,340
I mean, I'm trying to simplify it to, but I must, and plus we have an additional, what

746
01:06:10,340 --> 01:06:17,400
is a ferrocute rooms, initial, ferrocute rooms, so if a clear judge is anticipating the

747
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,720
court's being busier, so if now we have two courts in session versus typically the

748
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:30,140
run or two but now have two or three, again each courtroom requires a security.

749
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:39,200
So essentially because of this new control room concept in order to make this thing work

750
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:45,340
because of that building design over there, we're stuck with having to hire two new

751
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:50,080
correctional officers is that what I'm hearing. That's what you're hearing. Okay.

752
01:06:54,590 --> 01:06:55,110
And I thought

753
01:06:55,110 --> 01:07:01,770
this 54 million dollar building was going to help solve problems. And that's just creating more,

754
01:07:02,090 --> 01:07:07,990
more, it's actually creating more spending. I think it does help with some problems. Don't get me wrong.

755
01:07:09,050 --> 01:07:15,030
It's going to be a much safer building than we currently have. So the control room is a big part of

756
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:19,790
that. Any other cuts or questions that you want on the jail budget Commissioner Aaron?

757
01:07:20,030 --> 01:07:30,370
That was the issue. That was the correctional officer issue. I guess I got the answers. I obviously don't like them, but I understand it now. Thank you.

758
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:31,270
No, I appreciate that.

759
01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:39,350
Next apartment. Well, we got the sheriff's office up there, so let's just keep going with the sheriff.

760
01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:44,830
All right, so we're in a backtrack to page 20.

761
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:58,980
So pretty big, how many new FTEs are you asking in the Sheriff's Office and what kind

762
01:07:58,980 --> 01:07:59,520
are they?

763
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,280
We're asking for two deputy positions and an administrative assistant.

764
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:09,600
The reason we're for the administrative assistant is because we're losing administrative assistant

765
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:18,020
to the new building who takes care of the jail admin paperwork, which is going to create

766
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,270
us not having staff to cover the front desk.

767
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:33,200
Now we can cover that front desk with deputy at lunch, or if we have our administrative

768
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:40,180
system is out on the leave, we can cover it with a uniform person, it's not ideal.

769
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:50,300
Commissioner Aaron's when you're looking at Sheriff Swenson's budget for the biggest part

770
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:58,360
of the salary increase is going to be the pay study. Yeah I get it and like I said I understand

771
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:06,440
that part that's been resolved what I'm talking you know when you have a family you talk about

772
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:12,460
the mouth you're going to feed before you talk about the new ones and I want to talk about the new

773
01:09:12,460 --> 01:09:12,980
ones.

774
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:23,040
The administrative assistant, so walk me through how this administrative assistant

775
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:26,200
needs to be used over in this new courthouse.

776
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:29,640
So they do all the morning bookings.

777
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:41,320
the Boeing company, the 24-7 accounting, the electronic monitor accounting,

778
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,420
the reconcile accounts.

779
01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:49,840
In the age of like computers and the internet and all of that,

780
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:58,140
people working remotely, can't this person just do their current functions that they serve over here?

781
01:09:59,180 --> 01:10:08,400
You know, in turn, with the exception of ants, you know, somebody walking up to the front door with the exception of that, which is a, you know, you got to be there physically.

782
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:17,140
They can continue to do all the same things they're doing here with the exception of greeting people over in a different location, right?

783
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,520
If you're asking if the jail minister could stay in this building and

784
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,440
uncover the fact that they could do it from the new building, right?

785
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:28,820
That's what we're doing.

786
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,960
But then why do you need a new one?

787
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:34,200
Why do you need another administrative assistant?

788
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,980
Because of the foot traffic we're getting in the sheriff's office.

789
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:44,340
They do, so the administrative assistant for the sheriff's office does

790
01:10:44,340 --> 01:10:51,640
are the bookkeeping, the paying bills, answering phones, and I'm okay with not adding a

791
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:58,120
second one if it's a budget critical item. However, it is going to have to be backfilled

792
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,720
by someone, which will be a uniformed member of the Sheriff's Office.

793
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,500
When you say backfilled, you mean eight hours a day?

794
01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:16,430
On a day-to-day basis, it would not be eight hours a day, but it's going to be a few

795
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:18,750
three hours a day because there's no way one administrative

796
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:21,190
assistant can handle all the traffic that comes into this

797
01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:24,270
office by themselves.

798
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:27,430
Yeah, I don't like the idea of uniform personnel who

799
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:31,450
ostensibly are going to be, well, is that uniform person

800
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:35,710
conducting patrol very well could be.

801
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:41,150
Okay. So it's a it's a sheriff's deputy.

802
01:11:41,150 --> 01:11:49,190
correct backfell it okay I just I've got concern that the new building is

803
01:11:49,190 --> 01:11:56,430
not resolving some of these financial challenges and then there's a request

804
01:11:56,430 --> 01:12:00,510
for what two new patrol deputies correct okay and what's the rationale

805
01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:06,930
behind that just the continued increase in cost for service population growth well

806
01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:19,770
Well, my motion would be to reduce an administrative assistant for now.

807
01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:21,470
Let's see how it works out.

808
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:24,590
Give it a few months with the transition to the new building.

809
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:27,070
We can always come back to it.

810
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:34,830
If you want to address that.

811
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:36,010
And I'm okay with that.

812
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:41,310
I think it's going to be glaringly obvious, but I'm okay with that.

813
01:12:41,650 --> 01:12:43,350
I mean, we're moving in before the end of the year.

814
01:12:44,730 --> 01:12:47,770
I have no issue coming back after we give it a couple months.

815
01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:52,340
We're not coming back. Maybe it works out great.

816
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:57,970
Other commissioners have questions for a share?

817
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:09,280
Items under department 4211 commissioners.

818
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,200
Hope that's it.

819
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:11,440
Okay, anybody else?

820
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:16,840
Any public input on the 4211 budget?

821
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:24,490
Well, I usually take public comment before the motions.

822
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:29,270
If not, is there a motion?

823
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:33,510
motion. Motion is to remove the Ministry of Assistant from the chair's budget.

824
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:38,510
We need a dollar amount. No? Okay. I second.

825
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:42,090
Got a motion in a second. Any further discussion?

826
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:44,430
Madam Chair. Go ahead, Commissioner Allen.

827
01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:49,790
So I am, I'm probably not going to support this one either. I'm a little concerned with

828
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:54,630
what the sheriff had. Well, you have described that this is going to be handled and by

829
01:13:54,630 --> 01:14:02,130
taken law enforcement officer off of the streets. I don't know if that really benefits Lincoln County at all special

830
01:14:02,130 --> 01:14:09,250
we're adding two new deputies because of the need. So I'm not going to support it.

831
01:14:11,410 --> 01:14:12,130
Other discussion.

832
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:22,980
I agree with you Commissioner Atten. Our sheriff has done a lot to bring in different revenues to his

833
01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:29,060
department, he has taken cuts when he doesn't need something, he gets rid of it, but when

834
01:14:29,060 --> 01:14:32,600
he needs something, I really truly believe that he's telling us he needs it.

835
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,440
And so I'm not going to risk the court removing that from his budget.

836
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:45,860
And I'm sure we all remember when all department heads came in and gave their report on their

837
01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:47,580
department and what they were doing.

838
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:54,640
and for anybody that was listening to our sheriff and what he has accomplished in the past

839
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,960
years since he's taken over has been remarkable. I've never known him to ask for any

840
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,300
Anything more than what he ever needed, and as to support your statement, Madam Chair, if he doesn't need it, he doesn't ask for it. So I will not be supporting that at all.

841
01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:33,080
At least, shall we call the roll? I'd like to speak them too. Okay. I believe that if we wait for just a little bit, and like he said, maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but let's just try to

842
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,780
make things work for a little bit.

843
01:15:36,970 --> 01:15:38,810
So I'm, I'm, I would support it.

844
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:42,510
At least we call the wrong commissioner button.

845
01:15:44,110 --> 01:15:45,310
Yes, no.

846
01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:47,050
And yes, yes,

847
01:15:47,050 --> 01:15:50,510
Aughton. Hey, Wendy, no, motion fails.

848
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:55,130
Next items you'd like to discuss, you can go by department.

849
01:15:56,150 --> 01:15:57,070
There's, uh,

850
01:15:58,770 --> 01:16:03,110
there's a department run by planning and zoning,

851
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:11,870
but it's not in the planning and zoning budget. I believe that it's run by the we had the

852
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:20,610
presentation from the gentleman who runs our GIS department. And what was contained in there

853
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:24,770
was a... You want to find that for us? Yeah.

854
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:35,180
17.

855
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:44,390
You want floodplain management or GIS

856
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:57,040
I ask commissioners flood plain management that's page 25 what is it's department 4223 and in flood plain 25 page 25

857
01:16:57,860 --> 01:16:59,980
Get there just

858
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,340
let me know when you get there. All right, good to go

859
01:17:07,340 --> 01:17:14,840
I think one of my pages was in here backwards too in flood plain management

860
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:19,940
There's a hundred thousand dollar line item in there and

861
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:30,480
And when our GIS floodplain manager was in here, I asked him what's that $100,000 for,

862
01:17:31,620 --> 01:17:42,080
and his belief was that there is no specific floodplain management project under consideration.

863
01:17:42,740 --> 01:17:52,420
He didn't have any ideas at the present for where that would be used, and he's also

864
01:17:52,420 --> 01:17:55,860
new to the department, so he said that was a holdover from last year.

865
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:03,440
As you can see, there was $100,000 put into fees and contracts in 2026.

866
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:04,580
None of it was used.

867
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:11,000
It's now been requested for 2027, but there's no identified project.

868
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:21,620
And so I think at this time, until and unless there's an identified project for flood plane management, we should remove that from the budget.

869
01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:26,180
So my motion is now, of course, the blue.

870
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:27,840
Commissioner Aaron, do you do?

871
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:39,000
I think those numbers are typically in there for like, I don't know when they do their programming updates and stuff, but if we don't,

872
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,540
Does anybody know the answer to that? No.

873
01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:45,220
It wasn't used last year.

874
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:46,180
Right, I see that.

875
01:18:46,820 --> 01:18:55,640
And our floodplain manager stated that there is no identified project, no use for the

876
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:55,920
money.

877
01:18:56,380 --> 01:19:01,580
So is any other questions that other commissioners have right now?

878
01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:13,280
I would concur on this the fact that my thoughts is if there is a problem, they come to commission

879
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:20,840
and just ask for some money, you know, at a later date in 27, so we don't need to be

880
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:21,280
in here.

881
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,800
Is there any public input?

882
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,400
Is that the only one on this department?

883
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:25,940
Yes.

884
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:26,380
Okay.

885
01:19:26,940 --> 01:19:28,940
Any public input on the item?

886
01:19:28,940 --> 01:19:37,590
If not, is there a motion? Motion is to remove the 100,000. I second it.

887
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,000
All right, I've got a motion in a second. Any further discussion?

888
01:19:45,980 --> 01:19:52,340
If not, at least you'll recall the role. Commissioner Putton? Yes. Schmidt? Yes. And? Yes.

889
01:19:53,740 --> 01:19:54,340
Yes.

890
01:19:54,380 --> 01:19:54,540
Yes.

891
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:55,740
Motion carries.

892
01:19:58,960 --> 01:19:59,200
Next.

893
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,180
Commissions that you want to go

894
01:20:01,180 --> 01:20:02,600
through planning and zoning.

895
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,600
Got a page number.

896
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:08,050
Yeah.

897
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:08,930
That's 17.

898
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:09,350
Next.

899
01:20:09,450 --> 01:20:09,950
36.

900
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:11,130
37.

901
01:20:11,950 --> 01:20:12,550
36.

902
01:20:13,390 --> 01:20:13,830
36.

903
01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:15,110
36.

904
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:16,850
Okay.

905
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:21,980
Go ahead.

906
01:20:24,380 --> 01:20:26,800
We are in department 4711.

907
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:36,820
Now again goes back to this issue of I think there's some increase in here because

908
01:20:36,820 --> 01:20:47,630
of salaries and wages. And I don't know, is there anybody from planning and zoning here right now?

909
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:52,430
What does it you need to know? Not currently. What is the issue that you want to look at?

910
01:20:52,430 --> 01:20:59,130
Well, the issue is there's almost $120,000 increase from July 15th to July 30th, and I want to know why.

911
01:21:01,130 --> 01:21:08,750
Commissioner, I did just get a message. He might be on the phone, but director Toby Brown said that he's not requesting an FTE,

912
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:16,230
So the increase on August 19th report is 19,000, so he took out that FTE request.

913
01:21:17,050 --> 01:21:22,870
And has that been, and I assume, but I better ask, is that reflected in the August 18th

914
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:24,630
in the version we have in front of us now?

915
01:21:25,090 --> 01:21:28,870
It looks like it, because it looks like the increase is 19,211.

916
01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:37,110
Because, and I guess when earlier when the auditor was speaking, she said the only,

917
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:40,050
And I mean, I get it, there's lots of moving parts.

918
01:21:40,510 --> 01:21:46,750
The only difference between the published version and this was something for reduction

919
01:21:46,750 --> 01:21:48,790
in the HR and one other thing.

920
01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:55,130
But I'm going to assume that Toby removed that request then.

921
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:00,320
Okay.

922
01:22:00,940 --> 01:22:02,440
There was previously though.

923
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:02,980
Well,

924
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:13,220
with the personnel, if you're going to the 15th of the 30th in a day, there's calculation errors.

925
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:16,280
And then we came in, we did the wage day.

926
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:22,300
And so the personnel is kind of a harder one to nail down to what it is.

927
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:28,040
But I have not shown request for personnel in planning.

928
01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:32,720
But Drew, you're saying that Toby removed that though?

929
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:43,580
And I just got nothing again. He must be in a meeting. He's messaging me. He said there is never a request. It must have been a calculation error of some kind that was corrected. Okay. Well, that's good.

930
01:22:45,140 --> 01:22:48,120
120,000 dollar increase, taking care of there.

931
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:53,240
All right. Any other thing under planning and zoning commissioners that you want to talk about?

932
01:22:53,460 --> 01:22:56,900
Yeah. And the auditor's office. There was this increase of $57,000.

933
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,080
I'm just looking at planning and zoning.

934
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,780
Oh, no. Nothing further in planning and zoning.

935
01:23:01,780 --> 01:23:03,580
Okay, so now you want to move to auditor.

936
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:04,120
Yep.

937
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:04,720
Okay.

938
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:05,860
What number?

939
01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:06,480
Inpatient.

940
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,840
You have to go towards the front.

941
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:11,280
Way back.

942
01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:22,890
So are you talking elections?

943
01:23:22,990 --> 01:23:24,170
Are you talking auditor?

944
01:23:26,890 --> 01:23:29,350
Well, talking the auditor, not the elections.

945
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:29,850
Okay.

946
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:31,710
Page seven.

947
01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:32,730
Page seven.

948
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:35,530
Now, we have the auditor here.

949
01:23:35,650 --> 01:23:36,930
Maybe she can answer this.

950
01:23:37,050 --> 01:23:40,130
This increase from the 15th to the 30th.

951
01:23:40,330 --> 01:23:42,470
So we're in department 4141.

952
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:42,970
Yeah.

953
01:23:42,970 --> 01:23:49,910
age number is page seven and again goes the same question there's this increase

954
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:57,970
from the 15th to the 30th of 57,000 is that all attributed to the pay increase

955
01:23:57,970 --> 01:24:03,570
the wage study yep no no in place okay thank you that answers that question

956
01:24:03,570 --> 01:24:06,010
thank you appreciate it

957
01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:15,290
next issue road and bridge fund page 39 I

958
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:23,350
think we need

959
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:31,270
to remove those two projects, the roundabout plan for Western and remove the project down

960
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:35,650
south there by Hudson on the curves. That's my motion.

961
01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:37,890
Can you give me the dollar amounts for those?

962
01:24:38,110 --> 01:24:39,830
I do not have the dollar amounts.

963
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:46,870
I think it may be subsumed within the line item of road

964
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:47,550
projects,

965
01:24:49,710 --> 01:24:55,790
but I can't confirm that. I have the same line item as you in front of you.

966
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:59,330
That would not be an employee that I can remove.

967
01:24:59,710 --> 01:25:02,150
I would need to know what the dollar amount is you'd like to remove.

968
01:25:03,290 --> 01:25:03,730
Please.

969
01:25:05,650 --> 01:25:08,630
Well, same like they talked like a Mayan box.

970
01:25:08,910 --> 01:25:11,970
Well, we, we need to come back for a state's attorney on something.

971
01:25:11,970 --> 01:25:15,210
So if we need to circle back on roads and bridges to get those numbers,

972
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:19,150
that might be the more prudent thing to do today.

973
01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:20,570
Oh, Terry.

974
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:21,970
About Jerry.

975
01:25:22,090 --> 01:25:23,130
Terry, do you want to come on?

976
01:25:28,570 --> 01:25:29,610
Thank you.

977
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:31,130
Thank you.

978
01:25:31,130 --> 01:25:33,550
The Hudson Project will be 1.1

979
01:25:36,050 --> 01:25:40,690
and the Western Avenue is 2.5.

980
01:25:41,690 --> 01:25:42,270
Thank you, Terry.

981
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:43,150
Terry was there.

982
01:25:43,170 --> 01:25:49,250
Now, also, and if you're going to remove the Western one, you'll be ruling 1.5 out

983
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:53,650
of my revenue side because that's a cost share, right?

984
01:25:54,630 --> 01:25:54,770
Yes.

985
01:25:55,230 --> 01:25:58,610
So, can you repeat those 1.1 was for which one, Terry?

986
01:25:58,610 --> 01:26:00,130
for the Hudson Project. Okay.

987
01:26:01,230 --> 01:26:08,670
Say Terry was that to pull out both sides of the curves or just one side both sides it's making it a straight-to-earth

988
01:26:08,670 --> 01:26:17,490
intercession. And then the 2.5 was Western Avenue. Correct. So Western Avenue actually when you take your revenue out

989
01:26:18,110 --> 01:26:21,790
it's about a million dollars. Correct. Okay.

990
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,000
Thank you. I would

991
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:40,060
I guess maybe I'll wait to see if you vote to cut that before I make another request.

992
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:47,760
Madam Chair, so the Revisit, the Hudson interchange down there, I know I talked to you about

993
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:56,820
this a little bit too and you had mentioned about doing this in a continuation of the highway

994
01:26:56,820 --> 01:26:59,500
and rebuild that at some point in time.

995
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:01,600
Can you tie that together?

996
01:27:01,940 --> 01:27:06,800
Yeah, so initially we wanted to do a full rebuild

997
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,560
on that three and a half mile stretch,

998
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,720
which would include that north intersection,

999
01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:14,120
going all the way down past the ethanol plant

1000
01:27:14,660 --> 01:27:16,500
and then connecting to highway 46.

1001
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:18,780
That would be, that was, you know,

1002
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,400
and this has been in our five year for five years,

1003
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,460
six years we've been planning to do this,

1004
01:27:24,460 --> 01:27:31,940
as a whole project. Initially when we started this project on that we were

1005
01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:36,260
looking at about five and a half million dollars to rebuild that three and a

1006
01:27:36,260 --> 01:27:42,060
half mile stretch. Well the further we get into it costs are raising. We're

1007
01:27:42,060 --> 01:27:45,460
looking this is more of that whole that whole stretch three and a half mile

1008
01:27:45,460 --> 01:27:49,960
rebuild on that is going to be probably closer to eight eight to nine million

1009
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:57,640
dollars now. So this year would probably be phase one of that and again if it

1010
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:02,980
doesn't happen then it gets pushed off and maybe and again I don't maybe it

1011
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:10,060
doesn't happen. I know the the the main line stretch between that intersection and

1012
01:28:10,060 --> 01:28:16,400
the south intersection. Again we had probably about six to seven years ago we had

1013
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,660
course samples done and the reason our asphalt isn't lasting down there, there's nothing

1014
01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:27,820
underneath for base under that. So we figure a full rebuild is the best we can do, especially

1015
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:29,400
with all the heavy trucks down there.

1016
01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:35,860
So, you know, eventually it would be nice to do a

1017
01:28:35,860 --> 01:28:41,460
project down there. Again, you know, this would be phase one. Maybe be a couple more years before

1018
01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:45,980
we could do phase two, which would maybe be doing from the intersection down to the ethanol

1019
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:54,600
plant and then phase 3 would be from the ethanol plant to 46 or something just to spread

1020
01:28:54,600 --> 01:29:01,460
it out over the years. But again, it all depends, you know, and if it doesn't happen, it

1021
01:29:01,460 --> 01:29:08,140
doesn't happen. Like I said, one of the big reasons that this project got moved up is we

1022
01:29:08,780 --> 01:29:15,000
saw that we could use it as phase 1 in this overall project, but also just the complaints

1023
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:22,480
are not the complaints but just the public comments we've got on our safety plan with

1024
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:30,420
that intersection. And being in my eyes, if we want to say we're going to move towards

1025
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:36,640
being building safer roads, then we need to be doing something with that instead of just

1026
01:29:37,150 --> 01:29:41,500
having this nice, beautiful plan and just putting it on a shelf and not doing anything with

1027
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:55,940
So the direction from what direction does the heaviest amount of traffic come from does it go through that intersection or is that coming up soft?

1028
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,900
I think most of it I don't know.

1029
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,640
I would have to look at counts, but my guess it's going to be coming from the Hudson area going south would be the heaviest counts.

1030
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:31,080
But, but, but the last three years, you know, that that's all up in there because we have so much traffic coming from the west as well, because 46 is closed, but. So. Five years ago, that project was estimated at 5.5 million. Just right up in numbers. Right.

1031
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:36,920
today it would yes the whole thing would be 5.5 today we're looking at eight probably closer to

1032
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:44,680
that yeah and maybe even more for a full rebuild on three and a half miles and that would include

1033
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:51,060
that intersection doing mainline and then that would include the south curve south of the ethanol

1034
01:30:51,060 --> 01:30:54,160
plant where it curves back to to go back to the west

1035
01:30:56,330 --> 01:30:59,250
I'll save the rest of it for comments to the

1036
01:30:59,250 --> 01:31:06,310
motion. All right. First if there's no other questions from commissioners for staff.

1037
01:31:06,590 --> 01:31:15,110
Is there any public input on the road and bridge? Fun department 4 3 1 1.

1038
01:31:17,470 --> 01:31:18,130
All right.

1039
01:31:18,510 --> 01:31:23,830
If not, is there a motion? My motion is to remove the $1.1 million for

1040
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:30,130
the Hudson project and the $2.5 million for the Western Avenue project.

1041
01:31:30,130 --> 01:31:40,570
and subsequently remove the 1.5 in revenue because it comes from a cost share with the Western Project.

1042
01:31:41,390 --> 01:31:42,630
All right, is there a second?

1043
01:31:43,210 --> 01:31:43,790
I'll second.

1044
01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:49,050
Got a motion and a second. Further discussion from the commission?

1045
01:31:50,210 --> 01:31:53,730
I've had a number of people from down south come and talk to me about this.

1046
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:56,930
They've talked about how it's been down there for 70 years.

1047
01:31:57,650 --> 01:32:04,870
after looking into the safety issues, I asked the question and never got an answer to this,

1048
01:32:05,170 --> 01:32:10,190
was it operator error or was it road design?

1049
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:17,910
And in particular, if there was a fatality or a crash there, was it a result of drunk driving?

1050
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:26,730
And I've just had local people tell me that they believe it was a result of operator error

1051
01:32:26,730 --> 01:32:35,570
i.e. drunk driving. We don't redesign roads because people are inebriated or intoxicated.

1052
01:32:36,050 --> 01:32:42,290
We have to take those people off the road. We have to make it very painful to be a drunk

1053
01:32:42,290 --> 01:32:49,290
driver. That is not something this commission can do. All we can do is advocate that the

1054
01:32:49,290 --> 01:32:55,410
legislature makes it more difficult to drink and drive. And I've talked to our state's

1055
01:32:55,410 --> 01:33:00,010
turning about this issue as far as the intoxicated driving goes.

1056
01:33:00,630 --> 01:33:08,070
Now with regard to the road design, there's no data showing that the road design is making

1057
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:10,150
it more unsafe.

1058
01:33:11,310 --> 01:33:17,290
And then that combined with locals down there, one of them serves in our planning and zoning

1059
01:33:17,290 --> 01:33:22,710
board, telling me that that is not the issue down there.

1060
01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:29,710
there's an issue with increased traffic coming from from the Iowa side of the border and so

1061
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:36,710
the locals down there understand it they get it they've made comments to me and they've

1062
01:33:36,710 --> 01:33:40,090
asked me to carry this for them so that's what I'm doing.

1063
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,560
Commission I would say something here

1064
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:56,180
when I can. Go ahead. Okay. When you're heading north and you're

1065
01:33:56,180 --> 01:34:02,720
uh, curving off to the right, I can see that that's no problem whatsoever. It's

1066
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:10,200
a curving off to the left which would be maybe if anything a problem and that

1067
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:15,000
would be the only thing that could be looked at future but not now.

1068
01:34:21,570 --> 01:34:27,910
So I think my first conversation of the price increase of that over the last five years

1069
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:34,490
part of the lump of all how far we push a road project or any project off due to the

1070
01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:40,830
rising cost to complete the project later I've been down there and also looked at it and

1071
01:34:40,830 --> 01:34:45,950
I would agree with Commissioner Putnam that if you're heading north the right hand turn

1072
01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:51,150
is probably less dangerous than the left. I mean, when you get corn up there, there's not a lot of visibility

1073
01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:55,830
and there's nothing to do with drunk drivers and ultimately it doesn't matter if the traffic's coming

1074
01:34:55,830 --> 01:35:05,990
from Iowa, South Dakota, Minnesota, or New York. Traffic's still on a Lincoln County road. So, I could support

1075
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:13,010
not doing the roundabout, but I don't think I can support not start working on that road down there

1076
01:35:13,010 --> 01:35:14,430
because it's not going to get any better.

1077
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:17,450
And if you go down past Poets, stuff down there,

1078
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:20,550
there might be an opportunity to work with them on that.

1079
01:35:20,730 --> 01:35:23,730
But at some point in time, you have to bite the bullet

1080
01:35:23,730 --> 01:35:24,950
and you have to do the repairs.

1081
01:35:25,550 --> 01:35:27,490
The road's going to go sooner or later.

1082
01:35:27,790 --> 01:35:31,270
So I will not support the main motion.

1083
01:35:32,270 --> 01:35:32,930
The follow-up.

1084
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:36,190
Follow-up motion comes up, but they're out about.

1085
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:37,750
I would support that.

1086
01:35:38,090 --> 01:35:40,490
I would draw the motion, make a new motion.

1087
01:35:40,490 --> 01:35:43,310
and Commissioner Putnam will you withdraw your second?

1088
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:44,870
Yes, I will.

1089
01:35:45,410 --> 01:35:48,270
New motion is to just remove the roundabout project

1090
01:35:48,630 --> 01:35:51,950
and any associated cost and revenue that come with it.

1091
01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:56,430
So $2.5 million expense from the roundabout

1092
01:35:57,230 --> 01:35:59,050
and then $1.5 in revenue.

1093
01:35:59,830 --> 01:36:01,590
And I move to remove that from the budget.

1094
01:36:02,090 --> 01:36:04,030
I've got a motion, is there a second?

1095
01:36:04,410 --> 01:36:06,330
I'll second that, I guess.

1096
01:36:06,330 --> 01:36:17,390
Yes. Motion in second. Any discussion? Madam Chair. Go ahead. Well, when this first

1097
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:24,890
became public about that we were not going to participate in this roundabout, there

1098
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:32,890
are about 11,000 cars a day that go through there. And I don't know, but I've had, I can't

1099
01:36:32,890 --> 01:36:38,290
tell you how many phone calls from people who are very upset because, you know, sitting

1100
01:36:38,290 --> 01:36:43,810
in traffic all of the time, this is a joint project, a nice joint project between the city

1101
01:36:44,530 --> 01:36:47,870
and a limited amount from Harrisburg and from the county.

1102
01:36:48,530 --> 01:36:55,170
And when you look at the future, I know we've had an attempt at a previous time to figure

1103
01:36:55,170 --> 01:36:58,630
out how many people are going to use the veterans highway.

1104
01:36:58,630 --> 01:37:05,710
We have no quantifiable evidence as to how many of those 11,000 cars a day are suddenly

1105
01:37:05,710 --> 01:37:07,730
going to be on the Veterans Highway.

1106
01:37:08,210 --> 01:37:09,290
There will be some.

1107
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:15,950
But on the other hand, when you look at the future of that area, when you look at that corridor

1108
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:21,670
on 106 and you don't think that there's going to be an ever increasing number of people

1109
01:37:21,670 --> 01:37:30,070
out there are cars because of growth from commercial development from housing development

1110
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:35,470
that comes out there and look at that and we're going to have a four-way stop sign.

1111
01:37:36,010 --> 01:37:39,530
I mean how long of a line do we want to have?

1112
01:37:40,110 --> 01:37:41,470
It's a very efficient one.

1113
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:43,230
It's a good way to move traffic.

1114
01:37:43,470 --> 01:37:51,610
It's a safe way and I think again we're not looking at the future at all about how this

1115
01:37:51,610 --> 01:37:55,650
This will affect the gross economic development and safety.

1116
01:37:56,290 --> 01:37:58,570
So I'm not in support of not building that.

1117
01:37:59,730 --> 01:38:02,250
And I would agree with you, Commissioner Schmidt.

1118
01:38:02,430 --> 01:38:07,870
When you do the net and you take the revenue off, the cost of this project right now is essentially

1119
01:38:07,870 --> 01:38:08,530
$1 million.

1120
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:17,690
That intersection is a mess down there because coming off of veterans to get on to 106,

1121
01:38:18,430 --> 01:38:24,770
the lane changes are confusing to say the least, the corner keeps getting what

1122
01:38:24,770 --> 01:38:30,390
I'll say washed out. I don't, it's just a mess when I go down there in my opinion.

1123
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:33,990
I don't know how many times they've replaced. So I think for a million dollars and

1124
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:38,470
seeing that the city of Sioux Falls isn't going to be doing anything there for what

1125
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:44,430
I recall was the foreseeable 20 years. I think we would be remiss to not do that

1126
01:38:44,430 --> 01:38:50,150
project so I'm not gonna support the motion either. I've traveled it can't

1127
01:38:50,150 --> 01:38:56,630
may I speak? You may. Okay I've traveled that road many times I'm not that far

1128
01:38:56,630 --> 01:39:03,210
from it and it's amazing how well that they get through that stop sign is

1129
01:39:03,210 --> 01:39:10,710
very very coordinated. People move pretty fast. Now the only other thing I could

1130
01:39:10,710 --> 01:39:16,670
say is taking the stop signs away in the east and west and leave the one to the north

1131
01:39:16,670 --> 01:39:25,230
and the south and somebody said, well, you never get on it. Well, I've been backed up on

1132
01:39:25,230 --> 01:39:36,250
the west side when I was going east past all the, no, well, not the roundabout, but you

1133
01:39:36,250 --> 01:39:38,230
go up there and you see all the storage units.

1134
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:43,050
I've been backed up to where I was behind the storage units.

1135
01:39:43,650 --> 01:39:46,810
And it took me about probably, I'd say, less

1136
01:39:46,810 --> 01:39:48,850
in a couple of three minutes, four minutes

1137
01:39:49,410 --> 01:39:51,670
to be up to the stop sign and move it.

1138
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:54,910
You know, I

1139
01:39:59,100 --> 01:39:59,520
just,

1140
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:08,620
you know, what's the speed limit there?

1141
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,160
It's 45, is that correct?

1142
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:19,080
you know see and that's not bad if they put the stop sign there or took took the two stop

1143
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:27,260
line signs out people would move more freely better and I believe the people coming off

1144
01:40:27,260 --> 01:40:35,160
Parkway or the Veterans Parkway will be able to get on and besides that once the Veterans Parkway

1145
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:42,300
is done, then we don't have that issue. And we don't need to stop sign going east and west.

1146
01:40:46,860 --> 01:40:47,980
Madam Chair.

1147
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:53,840
Madam Chair, you bring up a good point. We have an opportunity to put a roundabout,

1148
01:40:54,080 --> 01:41:01,620
a first class roundabout in for $1 million. Now I can only remember how much we come back

1149
01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:06,780
to revisit this thing, how much it would cost. Because we were, we had,

1150
01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:12,340
did them roundabouts that we could have put in several years ago, but we had to get

1151
01:41:12,340 --> 01:41:19,180
a vote that they were 800,000 bucks a piece. So delaying something doesn't nearly

1152
01:41:19,180 --> 01:41:25,260
being the wisest steward of a money. So I just think it's a million dollars of good investment,

1153
01:41:25,460 --> 01:41:25,640
Terry.

1154
01:41:28,980 --> 01:41:35,300
Just to address your comments, Commissioner Patum, many years ago that was just a two-way stop.

1155
01:41:35,300 --> 01:41:39,580
There was no for-way stop there, so the two-seventy-first went through.

1156
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:48,620
The reason that it got put to be a for-way stop is when that new school to the north there got put in.

1157
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:53,500
Traffic was not able to get on two-seventy-first from Western Avenue.

1158
01:41:54,580 --> 01:42:00,940
So that's the reason that it went to a for-way stop because if you take those out now with the amount of traffic that's running there,

1159
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:07,240
We will never get people turning off a Western and then you're going to have vehicles coming up.

1160
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:19,780
Somebody going eastbound, they're going to want to make a left hand turn and they're going to sit there and wait and wait and wait and then people behind them are going to see it and they're going to be, we'll have, we'll have additional crashes there. We're not paying attention.

1161
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:28,780
They're going to run into the rear of them. So so at this point, four ways better than a two way and again, you don't want to go backwards on this again.

1162
01:42:28,780 --> 01:42:31,060
going to be just because of the amount of traffic that's there.

1163
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:35,700
Oh, once the parkway is done, how will that alleviate that?

1164
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:40,880
So if you read the studies about, so if you read our master

1165
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,720
transportation plan, this was completed 2018, 2019.

1166
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:49,820
It states in there, there'll be a 50% reduction when

1167
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,600
Veterans Parkway or SC100 gets done.

1168
01:42:54,440 --> 01:43:00,840
Well, when we did our corridor study in 2022, that changed.

1169
01:43:01,420 --> 01:43:03,560
It didn't say it was going to be cut in half.

1170
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:13,740
It said it will drop significantly, but dependent on the amount of development that occurs adjacent to county road 106.

1171
01:43:13,740 --> 01:43:20,120
So, the key here is going to be the amount of development and how quickly that develops

1172
01:43:20,940 --> 01:43:26,120
adjacent to 106, even after veterans is open.

1173
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:32,480
If that starts developing then we're going to be in the same boat.

1174
01:43:32,940 --> 01:43:36,460
And I can believe that when it starts to develop, yes.

1175
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:42,760
And with the sewer project that's coming along for Sioux Falls

1176
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:51,500
That's going to be starting while starting this fall here, and then next year, once that

1177
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:56,740
gets completed, then that'll be serviceable by the City of Sioux Falls, and then it

1178
01:43:56,740 --> 01:43:57,620
could be whenever.

1179
01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:58,200
So.

1180
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:04,800
And that allora, I think it's called allora, that big development down there, is that?

1181
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:05,400
Yeah.

1182
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:12,700
So currently right now between Louise Avenue and Western Avenue, the allora development

1183
01:44:12,700 --> 01:44:21,420
element. It's a half a section on the south side of 271st. They'll be starting here

1184
01:44:21,420 --> 01:44:32,040
very soon, developing or building in there. Also, I just got a traffic study from a developer

1185
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:38,900
in Sioux Falls, the northwest corner of Western Avenue in 106. So we're going to put this

1186
01:44:38,900 --> 01:44:45,720
intersection where we want to. There's going to be a huge multi-family housing

1187
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:49,460
development. It's a big apartment complex that's going in there. Just south of

1188
01:44:49,460 --> 01:44:56,920
the school and correct. Okay. On that corner, yes. When potentially starting

1189
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,980
possibly next year. Again, I got the

1190
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,040
Traffic study about three months ago, from them, and they've already completed that. So with the allure development, there were three or four other developments that went in on a traffic study. And again, these were mainly routed through the city of Harrisburg. So there is another development from Western 106 to the South, going to South about a mile. I believe there's another development that's going to be starting up here down there as well.

1191
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:34,660
As the Pope proposed completion of the Veterans Highway.

1192
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,900
That's a DOT or City of Sioux Falls question.

1193
01:45:39,020 --> 01:45:40,360
It keeps getting pushed off.

1194
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,800
And really, the last I heard is the last segment,

1195
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,700
which will be western to the 29.

1196
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:53,400
That is starting the start construction on that in 28.

1197
01:45:55,210 --> 01:45:58,190
I mean, the rest of that is in 28.

1198
01:45:58,190 --> 01:46:06,790
Yes, so from the segment from Western Avenue to 29, they're tentatively looking at 2028 starting.

1199
01:46:08,430 --> 01:46:16,470
So, as a part of that, Louise Avenue will be closed for a while, so that North South corridor

1200
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:23,230
will not be functional because they'll have a close for this Veterans Project at that

1201
01:46:23,230 --> 01:46:27,010
intersection of Veterans and Louise to the north of our roundabout that is currently there.

1202
01:46:27,010 --> 01:46:42,310
So the city of Sioux Falls contacted you on us possibly not and going to do this if they reached out to you.

1203
01:46:42,750 --> 01:46:46,770
Not doing the roundabout.

1204
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:51,550
The last thing they have they reached out to you.

1205
01:46:52,110 --> 01:46:54,490
I've been in conversation with them about this.

1206
01:46:54,650 --> 01:46:58,410
Did they seem a little distraught about that?

1207
01:47:01,210 --> 01:47:02,950
I never really heard anything.

1208
01:47:03,070 --> 01:47:06,750
I don't get that feeling because it's not theirs,

1209
01:47:08,230 --> 01:47:09,750
because it's our road.

1210
01:47:11,110 --> 01:47:14,570
To them, I guess, because at the end of the day,

1211
01:47:14,690 --> 01:47:16,750
I guess when calls start coming in,

1212
01:47:16,850 --> 01:47:18,290
it's going to come into us and not them.

1213
01:47:18,290 --> 01:47:26,110
But now the city of Sioux Falls, and we ended up with the jurisdiction basically,

1214
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:29,400
the

1215
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:38,500
north half is, they have control, and so I just didn't know if they were.

1216
01:47:40,220 --> 01:47:40,860
No, no.

1217
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:47,020
So I was the one that contacted them about this, about doing this project initially, and

1218
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:54,400
it was either late last year, I think it was. They didn't contact me. I contacted them because I

1219
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:59,820
seen the need up there. I was I would been through that intersection at peak hours and sit in

1220
01:47:59,820 --> 01:48:07,600
line there for four or five minutes or six minutes. It's like this needs something needs to happen here

1221
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:15,240
and I've gotten several phone calls, not that many, but a few from individuals that want to know

1222
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:16,480
or if something's going to happen there.

1223
01:48:16,860 --> 01:48:17,060
All

1224
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:22,130
right, any other commissioner discussion?

1225
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:26,990
I recognize that there's been some phone calls asking

1226
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:30,610
for something to be done at that intersection.

1227
01:48:30,610 --> 01:48:35,910
There's also been a tsunami of communication

1228
01:48:36,590 --> 01:48:39,430
about getting the budget under control as well.

1229
01:48:40,710 --> 01:48:42,130
So you got to balance the two.

1230
01:48:42,710 --> 01:48:43,530
Can't have it all.

1231
01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:45,950
Can't have your cake need it to.

1232
01:48:45,950 --> 01:48:46,010
Thank you.

1233
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:57,480
So we have a motion to do the Hudson project and remove the Western Avenue project as well

1234
01:48:57,480 --> 01:48:58,980
as remove the revenue.

1235
01:48:59,700 --> 01:49:03,160
If there's no further discussion, Alicia, will you call the role on that motion?

1236
01:49:04,860 --> 01:49:06,520
We've already taken public comment.

1237
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,160
I don't think so.

1238
01:49:09,700 --> 01:49:12,180
We did because the motion was made and seconded.

1239
01:49:12,460 --> 01:49:13,640
One motion was withdrawn.

1240
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:15,700
I took public comment prior to that.

1241
01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:17,720
Alicia, will you call the role?

1242
01:49:17,780 --> 01:49:18,320
Nobody talk.

1243
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:25,260
there was no you didn't take any public comment I offered public comment and

1244
01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:30,000
nobody got up are you in a hurry to go somewhere I'm asking Alicia to call

1245
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,480
the roll well I'm asking you to just allow people to speak there anybody want to

1246
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:42,080
talk about it yeah see people nodding their heads what what what is the harm I'm

1247
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:47,320
running this meeting I asked for public comment nobody got up Alicia call the roll

1248
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:52,360
please. Can I share a button? I'd like to hear people talk.

1249
01:49:54,980 --> 01:49:57,840
Sure. No. Yes.

1250
01:50:00,740 --> 01:50:01,460
I'm. All right.

1251
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,100
Andy. No. Motion fails.

1252
01:50:07,460 --> 01:50:07,920
There's another.

1253
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,860
I would. I would vote. Yes, but I want somebody to talk.

1254
01:50:14,260 --> 01:50:17,540
Well, my four way to run a business. What's your vote, Doug?

1255
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,880
Yes, I'm going to go along with it. Okay.

1256
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:21,900
Well, I make the same motion.

1257
01:50:22,700 --> 01:50:25,160
Commissioner, we'll take that vote.

1258
01:50:28,330 --> 01:50:29,770
So motion passes.

1259
01:50:29,770 --> 01:50:31,390
I will have better when we're late.

1260
01:50:31,530 --> 01:50:32,310
The motion passes.

1261
01:50:32,430 --> 01:50:34,270
You guys will be able to talk more of them.

1262
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:36,110
All right.

1263
01:50:36,530 --> 01:50:39,230
Next item, Commissioner Irons, that you want to discuss.

1264
01:50:40,730 --> 01:50:42,370
I'm sure where we have it is.

1265
01:50:42,850 --> 01:50:43,890
They failed to, too.

1266
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:49,350
It was to, too, because Commissioner Putnam did not vote when the motion was called.

1267
01:50:49,670 --> 01:50:51,690
I said I'll vote, yeah.

1268
01:50:51,690 --> 01:50:58,950
So technically it failed but then he turned around and said yes, so if that's his vote then it would pass

1269
01:50:59,610 --> 01:51:02,770
Commissioner Aaron's made it basically the same motion

1270
01:51:03,290 --> 01:51:07,390
So if we want to run back through the vote to make sure it's clear we can do that

1271
01:51:07,390 --> 01:51:13,910
And I guess we'll just keep it dysfunctional. How's that? So yeah, everybody can have their

1272
01:51:14,830 --> 01:51:15,950
commissioners and the public

1273
01:51:16,670 --> 01:51:18,330
everybody can have their opinion

1274
01:51:18,330 --> 01:51:25,590
But government works best when we hear everybody's opinion.

1275
01:51:26,410 --> 01:51:30,830
Commissioner Arons, would you like to discuss the next department?

1276
01:51:30,830 --> 01:51:32,890
Well, we need to clean this up.

1277
01:51:33,450 --> 01:51:36,430
So I'm making a motion, same motion.

1278
01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:38,190
Cut the funding.

1279
01:51:39,170 --> 01:51:43,270
$2.5 million in the $1.5 million in revenue.

1280
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:46,570
for the Western roundabout project.

1281
01:51:49,220 --> 01:51:52,000
Is there a second and I will second. I've got

1282
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,640
a motion in a second. Will you call the role please? Yes. Asking for public

1283
01:51:56,640 --> 01:52:03,220
comment on the motion. Take public comment. Take public comment. Alicia, call the role please.

1284
01:52:03,540 --> 01:52:05,780
Where's the public comment? Commissioner Putnam.

1285
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:13,060
Jesus. This is so dysfunctional. You don't have the floor. Thank God we'll have it better here.

1286
01:52:13,060 --> 01:52:18,100
pretty quick. Just let the public speak. You don't have the floor. At least you know you call

1287
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:20,420
the wrong commission. Yes.

1288
01:52:24,010 --> 01:52:29,710
Yes. Okay. Landing. No. Motion passes.

1289
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:33,640
Next issue.

1290
01:52:52,940 --> 01:52:54,200
Other economic

1291
01:52:54,200 --> 01:53:04,620
Economic Assistance Department 41410 on page 26 these organizations that are listed

1292
01:53:04,620 --> 01:53:16,340
for economic assistance page 26 Commissioner page 26 Commissioner says

1293
01:53:16,340 --> 01:53:23,820
reminder this you passed a motion earlier so it will reflect the 2026 in this

1294
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:28,780
document. Yeah, in any motion I make is going to incorporate what was already

1295
01:53:28,780 --> 01:53:30,060
decided there earlier.

1296
01:53:32,860 --> 01:53:37,800
So we have a list of organizations, children's in,

1297
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:45,940
helpline, solace, interlakes, Lennox enrichment, Canton Transit, and life

1298
01:53:45,940 --> 01:53:53,000
escapes. Decodabilities are statutorily required. That means that there's a law in

1299
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:59,360
South Dakota that says we have to give the county has to give X amount of money to that

1300
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:03,640
kind of organization, but the law does not require us to spend money on any of these

1301
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:11,500
other organizations. All good organizations in some form or fashion, nonprofits that

1302
01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:17,400
are out there attempting to help people in various forms of assistance that they need.

1303
01:54:19,820 --> 01:54:29,460
When we have an $11 million budget shortfall, sometimes we need to, and this time, we need

1304
01:54:29,460 --> 01:54:32,040
to revisit where we're spending public money.

1305
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:39,300
Just generally speaking, these are nonprofit charities, and I would prefer to see that

1306
01:54:39,300 --> 01:54:49,860
the public give their charitable aid. The public cannot give charitable aid through the government.

1307
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:55,660
It's compelled. It's forced from them through their taxes. But also another concern that I have

1308
01:54:55,660 --> 01:55:01,820
is when this money leaves the public coffers, it also loses public oversight.

1309
01:55:05,170 --> 01:55:06,450
I've never been

1310
01:55:06,450 --> 01:55:10,510
invited to one of these organizations to a board meeting to speak, probably wouldn't

1311
01:55:10,510 --> 01:55:19,830
even let me in, never, they take the public money and the public accountability in the

1312
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:20,930
oversight is gone.

1313
01:55:22,110 --> 01:55:23,690
And that's my big concern here.

1314
01:55:24,630 --> 01:55:29,610
Public oversight of public money is gone when we give the money to these nonprofits.

1315
01:55:30,610 --> 01:55:35,990
Has nothing to do, you know, one of them came in last year and said, oh, you're such

1316
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:42,530
big meaning, your bad person because you want to take the money away from us. Look, I get it,

1317
01:55:42,670 --> 01:55:50,570
they have their opinion. My view though is based and grounded on the budget realities that we face

1318
01:55:50,570 --> 01:56:04,310
today. And so maybe in an effort here to achieve a compromise, I would propose and this incorporates

1319
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:07,790
in the deal that Commissioner

1320
01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:12,610
Oton made, but I propose that we

1321
01:56:12,610 --> 01:56:16,850
move, if I had my way, we'd zero

1322
01:56:16,850 --> 01:56:18,290
all this out even the budget

1323
01:56:18,290 --> 01:56:20,410
reality, but maybe I want to

1324
01:56:20,410 --> 01:56:22,350
achieve a compromise here today, and

1325
01:56:22,350 --> 01:56:25,170
I would move that we reduce all

1326
01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:29,210
of these nonprofit, other economic

1327
01:56:29,210 --> 01:56:31,050
assistance numbers back to their

1328
01:56:31,050 --> 01:56:32,890
or 2024 numbers.

1329
01:56:33,310 --> 01:56:33,430
I

1330
01:56:41,620 --> 01:56:42,760
haven't asked for a motion,

1331
01:56:42,940 --> 01:56:44,380
but I will take public comment

1332
01:56:44,380 --> 01:56:48,060
unless there's other questions or input from the commission.

1333
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,880
Is there public comment on this item?

1334
01:56:57,550 --> 01:56:58,430
Thank you, Madam Chair,

1335
01:56:58,650 --> 01:57:00,230
Linda Montgomery for the soft Dakota.

1336
01:57:00,950 --> 01:57:05,450
I think with our deficit that we have this year,

1337
01:57:05,650 --> 01:57:07,790
I think this is a proven decision.

1338
01:57:08,410 --> 01:57:10,470
I know it's not going to be popular,

1339
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:21,310
but I've done budgets for myself and my profession and for my personnel, person itself.

1340
01:57:21,930 --> 01:57:29,690
I believe that sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and say we can't this year,

1341
01:57:30,170 --> 01:57:32,230
but we can next.

1342
01:57:32,510 --> 01:57:33,690
Look at this again.

1343
01:57:34,130 --> 01:57:34,470
Thank you.

1344
01:57:36,290 --> 01:57:37,490
Other public info?

1345
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:58,880
I think all of these budget requests I think were very well thought out and they're all worthy. But we just don't have the money.

1346
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:05,920
So it's hard for me not to compare it to what most people would do in their own personal lives when they don't have the money.

1347
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,600
is just to figure out what they have cut.

1348
01:58:08,900 --> 01:58:11,200
But we also have codified law in South Dakota

1349
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:13,220
that caps what we can do.

1350
01:58:14,860 --> 01:58:16,840
So I guess I have a question for you

1351
01:58:17,700 --> 01:58:23,140
about what we've got for a qualified fund balance

1352
01:58:23,140 --> 01:58:25,460
that we're actually adding into the amount of money

1353
01:58:25,460 --> 01:58:28,040
that we are going to take in in order

1354
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:32,860
to hit the 95% mark on what we can actually have for expenditures.

1355
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:34,520
So that's my question.

1356
01:58:34,940 --> 01:58:44,760
What is the beginning fund balance that we're going to add to the amount that we want to spend and does that follow within such a codified law? Thank you.

1357
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:49,580
Thank you. Other public input?

1358
01:58:55,230 --> 01:58:56,690
Sherry, is there anything you want to withdraw?

1359
01:58:58,410 --> 01:59:00,990
I'd have to look up the SDCL. I don't know what we're talking about.

1360
01:59:01,610 --> 01:59:01,770
All right.

1361
01:59:06,630 --> 01:59:08,110
You think it was a repeal?

1362
01:59:08,110 --> 01:59:08,690
I'm not sure.

1363
01:59:13,420 --> 01:59:13,600
Okay.

1364
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:14,880
Sorry.

1365
01:59:15,020 --> 01:59:15,760
I didn't mean to put ends.

1366
01:59:16,340 --> 01:59:16,820
All

1367
01:59:19,860 --> 01:59:20,040
right.

1368
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:22,460
Any other public input, if

1369
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:25,960
not, is there a motion?

1370
01:59:26,740 --> 01:59:34,000
Um, we, the commissioners don't speak then, or we're supposed to, or...

1371
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:38,740
I've asked for a motion, so if there's a motion in a second, then there will be further discussion.

1372
01:59:39,060 --> 01:59:40,580
That's how it usually works.

1373
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:44,610
I'm going to turn the microphone on.

1374
01:59:44,610 --> 01:59:51,590
making a motion to drop down other economic assistance to the

1375
01:59:52,750 --> 01:59:57,830
2,024 levels and what were those levels commissioner?

1376
02:00:00,300 --> 02:00:19,660
Children's in, 8,000. Helpline Center, 9,473. Solus, 9,473. Interlakes, 67,85. Lennox Enrichment, 5,000.

1377
02:00:20,620 --> 02:00:32,720
Canton Transit, 12,000, decodabilities which says statutorily required, and then that

1378
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,860
would be in the amount of 4,320.

1379
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:42,380
And lifescapes to 35,520.

1380
02:00:46,340 --> 02:00:46,780
All right.

1381
02:00:46,940 --> 02:00:48,160
Is there a second to the motion?

1382
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:51,760
A second to motion.

1383
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:55,460
There's been a motion in a second, any further discussion?

1384
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:56,660
Madam Chair.

1385
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,080
Go ahead, Commissioner Atten.

1386
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:04,560
So my question with the budget request from these different entities, have they been

1387
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:11,240
here in the last six months or whenever to present their request?

1388
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:12,640
They do come in.

1389
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:13,960
They fill out applications.

1390
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:17,540
And they have brought in presentations.

1391
02:01:17,540 --> 02:01:27,120
Actually our commission office assistant Paul can probably come up and talk further about that process that we go through.

1392
02:01:27,860 --> 02:01:36,080
Yeah, so previously in 24 or 25 and 24 and 25 for the budgets for 25 and 26.

1393
02:01:36,700 --> 02:01:43,220
The outside agencies submitted a written request and attended the meetings to talk about it.

1394
02:01:44,540 --> 02:01:52,220
My idea was for 27 since when they came in and presented they didn't really talk about their budget requests and they kind of just talked about how great they were.

1395
02:01:52,580 --> 02:02:01,140
What I did this year was have them submit a one-page document that outlined their budget justification that was sent to the commission.

1396
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:03,780
I can resend it to you guys all if you want to look at it again.

1397
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:05,240
Can we go through it right now Paul?

1398
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:12,100
Yeah, I can, if you give me, I mean, or we can, I can put it together so it's in a more readable form.

1399
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:16,960
When we come back for the State's Attorney's Office, two, I can put it together so it's in a readable form

1400
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:22,000
because a lot of what they submit is a bunch of financial audit information, which is available to anyone.

1401
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:26,460
It just kind of clutters up and does it.

1402
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:27,760
But if you give me a little bit...

1403
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,160
I don't know if it is available to everyone.

1404
02:02:33,860 --> 02:02:40,260
Yeah, I'll double check, but they're audits that they submit as part of their $9.90.

1405
02:02:40,460 --> 02:02:44,920
They're federal $9.90 tax forms that are required that you can find online.

1406
02:02:45,260 --> 02:02:49,940
I'll double check on that too, but I can either put it together now or we have to come back

1407
02:02:49,940 --> 02:02:55,820
for the State's Attorney's Office later, because while I can put together re-package it in

1408
02:02:55,820 --> 02:03:03,900
readable form with things and attach to the agenda and we can if you have specific stuff

1409
02:03:03,900 --> 02:03:06,640
you want to ask of any of them I can get them here as well.

1410
02:03:07,060 --> 02:03:11,080
I think you should extend that invitation and I think that's a good idea to move it since

1411
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:14,860
we're bringing back our state's attorney to talk about his budget.

1412
02:03:16,020 --> 02:03:20,660
I can I'll get I'll get stuff recent and I'll get make sure it's a bit I'll add it back

1413
02:03:20,660 --> 02:03:22,380
to this so it's available for everyone.

1414
02:03:22,380 --> 02:03:27,140
that way you've talked about, I'll add it to this agenda, and then we'll have it on next agenda,

1415
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:31,500
and we all extend the invitation those people again.

1416
02:03:33,220 --> 02:03:37,180
If that works for everyone, otherwise I can try and put something together real quick,

1417
02:03:37,580 --> 02:03:41,260
but personally, I'd rather make sure it's right than do it quickly.

1418
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:51,480
I think that makes sense, and these are, I mean, these, I guess, facilities or programs,

1419
02:03:51,480 --> 02:04:00,160
They are serving the less fortunate people in our county, and I do want them to have an opportunity to come in and address their budget requests.

1420
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:04,860
I'll make that invitation to them, and I'll package it together, and get that to you guys as soon as I can.

1421
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:11,320
Paul, would you ask those organizations to send their chief executive officer to attend?

1422
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:12,960
I would certainly make that request.

1423
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:28,780
In past years we've had people come in who are their public relations person and they don't I ask questions about their budget and they really don't have the best indication as to why they're asking for the ask that they've made.

1424
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:36,160
For example, one of these organizations pays their CEO a minimum of 350 grand a year.

1425
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:45,680
I think it was 375 plus a G's being charitable but if they're going to pay their CEO 375 grand and they

1426
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:52,300
want to come ask for property taxpayer money when we have a property taxpayer revolt going on

1427
02:04:52,300 --> 02:04:58,940
they should come here and make the ask themselves is the chief executive officer instead of sending

1428
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:06,140
public relations person to come. I will certainly make that request to them. Thank you. Thank you.

1429
02:05:06,140 --> 02:05:06,460
Thank you all.

1430
02:05:07,060 --> 02:05:09,540
Next item or department that you want to talk about?

1431
02:05:10,060 --> 02:05:14,560
We have a motion pending that needs to be voted on.

1432
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,180
Can we, we're not done with comments yet?

1433
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:18,160
Of course, yeah.

1434
02:05:18,820 --> 02:05:19,720
Should they comment?

1435
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:31,060
I'm not opposed, Commissioner Nierrens, to do some modification, but it's easier to sit here

1436
02:05:31,060 --> 02:05:35,600
in Canton and make all kinds of wonderful statements about that.

1437
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:40,980
And you wonder, for example, the helpline center, now, what do they do?

1438
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:42,320
What are they good at?

1439
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:50,840
Well, they do a lot of wonderful things, and I think suicide prevention is one issue along

1440
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,180
with many others, which are very critical.

1441
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:58,500
I know you have a very difficult time with the children's home society because you do

1442
02:05:59,140 --> 02:06:00,320
mention them all the time.

1443
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:06,840
Children's home society is a very large organization, but in relationship to the children's

1444
02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:16,080
in, which was just redesigned and supposed to be accommodating well into 28 and 29, right

1445
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:18,100
now is running at full capacity.

1446
02:06:18,940 --> 02:06:25,320
And when you see some of the individual of parents or single moms with kids that come there,

1447
02:06:26,260 --> 02:06:33,340
I may be called Mr. Tenderhart, but boy, I have a tough time saying that that money is not spent correctly.

1448
02:06:33,980 --> 02:06:37,340
Interlace community action, on the other hand, they're okay.

1449
02:06:37,580 --> 02:06:41,520
They get their government funding. They do all kinds of weatherization.

1450
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:45,980
They start. They do many good things for kids to get them.

1451
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:50,720
And on that rock situation, I don't have any idea on that.

1452
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:55,520
I don't know why we're paying them. I have a tough time with that organization period.

1453
02:06:56,100 --> 02:07:00,620
If it wasn't that they provided some form of transportation, I wouldn't give them a dime.

1454
02:07:01,300 --> 02:07:06,860
But anyway, just to let you know that we do have this rocks outfit. That's an eye cap

1455
02:07:06,860 --> 02:07:11,460
agency that we are. And the rock, I say, can't transit.

1456
02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:17,420
Now this is, well, rocks is supposed to be able to provide public transportation because

1457
02:07:17,420 --> 02:07:21,740
is we are under that ICAP agency.

1458
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:24,160
There's an ICAP agency out of Madison,

1459
02:07:24,780 --> 02:07:29,080
and there's an ICAP agency out of Wagner, isn't it?

1460
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:33,640
Or yeah, and ICAP has been down here.

1461
02:07:33,820 --> 02:07:37,280
I don't know what Iraq's has been here maybe once.

1462
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,360
But I'm not going to debate all of this commissioners.

1463
02:07:40,460 --> 02:07:42,700
And the other thing when you talk about nonprofits,

1464
02:07:42,900 --> 02:07:45,700
nonprofits, you mean you can say what you want to them

1465
02:07:45,700 --> 02:07:52,020
about them, and if you don't have control of them, well, they have a board of directors.

1466
02:07:52,580 --> 02:07:57,960
They have guidelines, you have to have your audit available to the public.

1467
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:03,640
I mean, whatever monies that you get, you always have to be able to show where it went,

1468
02:08:03,660 --> 02:08:04,360
how it was spent.

1469
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:12,040
So I think that nonprofits go the extra mile today because they are looking at dollars.

1470
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:17,900
They are hard-pressed, trying to find those services that are provided, and government's

1471
02:08:17,900 --> 02:08:18,920
not going to provide it.

1472
02:08:19,420 --> 02:08:23,760
So if government doesn't provide it, nonprofits do, so okay, fine.

1473
02:08:24,340 --> 02:08:28,680
Well, then if government doesn't have, it should be the public pays for it at all.

1474
02:08:29,420 --> 02:08:35,240
I mean, I think that government has some obligation to kind of support these kinds of activities

1475
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:39,760
which help poor people and kids, and that's what these are all about.

1476
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:47,500
Now that you're elaborating, tell me about life-scape, I'm not 100% up on life-scape.

1477
02:08:47,620 --> 02:08:49,240
I'd like to hear a little more about that.

1478
02:08:49,340 --> 02:08:55,080
Well life-scape takes care of all of the unfortunate handicapped children that are running around.

1479
02:08:56,040 --> 02:09:02,560
And they, if you want to call in from God, you go work with those handicapped kids who are

1480
02:09:03,340 --> 02:09:09,540
from severely handicapped from not being able to have any taking care of any

1481
02:09:09,540 --> 02:09:14,480
of their body functions they cannot talk, they cannot walk, and they have 24

1482
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:21,620
hour a day care. This is a situation that for those parents that have those

1483
02:09:21,620 --> 02:09:26,820
children that go there, and the better part about it is, life-scape also helps

1484
02:09:26,820 --> 02:09:34,620
train some of the trainable ones which are severely mentally handicapped by giving them

1485
02:09:34,620 --> 02:09:41,240
enough skills so that in some cases they're able to sustain themselves. They're able

1486
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:46,940
to take care of themselves from the standpoint of having independent living or they have a

1487
02:09:46,940 --> 02:09:53,760
small minute job. So you know, a life scape when you look at the money we spend here, okay,

1488
02:09:53,760 --> 02:10:02,040
So we spend $55,000 or $50,000, but if you can take a kid that would take off of government

1489
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:07,340
roles and make them independent and it's an on-profit that's doing that, what's wrong

1490
02:10:07,340 --> 02:10:07,780
with that?

1491
02:10:08,340 --> 02:10:10,000
To me, that's a good investment.

1492
02:10:10,820 --> 02:10:16,780
And most of all, I would say that it would serve all commissioners well to go there and

1493
02:10:16,780 --> 02:10:21,440
sit with them, not just take the tour of the building and saying, in this building we

1494
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:21,960
have here.

1495
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:27,660
We'll actually go to the feeding room when you have to feed these kids or when you have

1496
02:10:27,660 --> 02:10:33,320
to change their diapers or when you have all kinds of situation, then tell me that our

1497
02:10:33,320 --> 02:10:34,700
money is not well spent.

1498
02:10:36,900 --> 02:10:38,460
Commission, can I make a comment?

1499
02:10:39,980 --> 02:10:45,220
At the beginning of the budget process, we had scheduled a calendar on how we were going

1500
02:10:45,220 --> 02:10:46,000
to do the budget.

1501
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:52,520
But we had requested the commission to give us direction on how to get the other economic

1502
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:55,280
assistance, whether they wanted to see them or whether they did not.

1503
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:57,920
There was no desire for them to come in and talk.

1504
02:10:58,080 --> 02:10:59,620
They wanted to do the application process.

1505
02:11:00,140 --> 02:11:04,500
Or at least I do not, I'm not aware of any desire to have them come in and talk since we

1506
02:11:04,500 --> 02:11:07,560
are at the three weeks out from the budget being passed.

1507
02:11:08,620 --> 02:11:16,940
I would, I think, or whatever, that if we want to drop it back to the 2024 request,

1508
02:11:17,420 --> 02:11:18,640
then do that.

1509
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:23,420
But then I think you need to give your commission assistant direction for the next budget

1510
02:11:23,420 --> 02:11:25,280
year on how you want to proceed with this.

1511
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:27,580
We do only have two meetings left.

1512
02:11:28,060 --> 02:11:32,540
I don't know how he's going to round these people up to come in and speak on their request at this point.

1513
02:11:34,440 --> 02:11:35,160
Thank you.

1514
02:11:36,580 --> 02:11:42,920
I feel that we just go ahead and do the 2024 and we'll go from there and we'll

1515
02:11:42,920 --> 02:11:46,000
deal with it next year if we want to change anything else.

1516
02:11:49,890 --> 02:11:50,850
Paul, you'll put that

1517
02:11:50,850 --> 02:11:55,570
together that list for us and we'll address it when we address states attorney.

1518
02:11:58,300 --> 02:11:58,780
Okay,

1519
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:05,660
so we had a motion, we had a second. At least we call the role.

1520
02:12:06,820 --> 02:12:11,740
Commissioner Putnam. Now this is on going back to 24, right? Yes. Okay, yes.

1521
02:12:11,740 --> 02:12:11,880
Yes.

1522
02:12:12,300 --> 02:12:12,980
Schmidt?

1523
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:13,860
No.

1524
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:14,580
Aaron?

1525
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:15,500
Yes.

1526
02:12:15,780 --> 02:12:16,020
On.

1527
02:12:27,700 --> 02:12:28,380
Naive.

1528
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:29,620
Landy.

1529
02:12:29,860 --> 02:12:30,220
No.

1530
02:12:34,050 --> 02:12:34,950
Motion fails.

1531
02:12:36,330 --> 02:12:37,510
Commissioner Aaron's.

1532
02:12:37,630 --> 02:12:38,710
Do you want to keep going?

1533
02:12:38,990 --> 02:12:40,350
Next is buildings and grounds.

1534
02:12:41,750 --> 02:12:43,870
You got a page number for us.

1535
02:12:44,090 --> 02:12:45,550
I am looking for that.

1536
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:01,960
Page 11.

1537
02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:04,360
General government building.

1538
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:14,480
That's department 4161.

1539
02:13:17,970 --> 02:13:19,150
Go ahead, Commissioner Aaron.

1540
02:13:19,150 --> 02:13:29,330
Thank you. We've got a line item in here for 2.03 million dollars under buildings

1541
02:13:29,330 --> 02:13:37,170
and structures. But what we don't have is we have not yet identified a way forward

1542
02:13:37,170 --> 02:13:47,250
or any kind of consensus as to what the improvements to the old courthouse will cost, what improvements

1543
02:13:47,250 --> 02:13:55,450
if anybody if any will be made it's being worked on and I've talked to

1544
02:13:55,450 --> 02:14:06,630
Mr. Rambo about that but until we have more definite understanding of what

1545
02:14:06,630 --> 02:14:12,550
we're going to move forward with how we're going to move forward with it I'm

1546
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:16,570
proposing to remove that two million dollars of budget authority out of there.

1547
02:14:16,570 --> 02:14:22,550
Do you want, and I don't know the best way to do this because originally that was an

1548
02:14:22,550 --> 02:14:28,470
auditor decision because was that the legislative, wasn't it the legislative audit that you

1549
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:36,250
had to assign the money to something? That's different. That's not this one. Okay. Perfect.

1550
02:14:37,070 --> 02:14:37,970
Thank you.

1551
02:14:42,270 --> 02:14:47,390
So is that your motion? Well, I'm not taking a motion right now that he's just,

1552
02:14:47,390 --> 02:14:52,570
That's what he's wanting to do and I wanted clarification that that wasn't just the unassigned

1553
02:14:53,570 --> 02:14:55,410
light item that you had to assign.

1554
02:14:55,890 --> 02:14:59,530
Okay, if that's not the case then are there any other questions from the commission?

1555
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,600
Go ahead, commissioner.

1556
02:15:04,360 --> 02:15:29,820
It's not a motion, but re-stature attention from which line item, yes, which I believe is building instructors and the exact dollar amount that you're looking to remove. Yeah, so if you go down one, two, three paragraphs to, it's called EXP category 43 capital outlay. And then right underneath that, there is a line item.

1557
02:15:29,820 --> 02:15:39,840
called buildings and structures, and the proposal for 2027 is 2.038 million dollars.

1558
02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:48,200
So you're proposing to eliminate, proposing to eliminate and remove that?

1559
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:49,360
The whole dollar amount.

1560
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:49,700
Yes.

1561
02:15:50,420 --> 02:15:53,360
And Mr. Rambo is here.

1562
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:59,200
He can clarify whether I believe the entire two,

1563
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:08,020
Well, let me ask it as a question of that 2.038 million.

1564
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:19,980
How much in your mind John was apportioned for potential courthouse versus other types

1565
02:16:19,980 --> 02:16:24,440
of structures here in the county, just regular maintenance, you know, that has to be done.

1566
02:16:26,440 --> 02:16:45,280
So when we started this and I met with the Budget Committee, I had an asker, I had a want to do improvements to both this building and all of our buildings and start moving forward if we're going to save the old courthouse with some expenditures to do improvements there, like i.e. paint it.

1567
02:16:46,500 --> 02:16:50,900
and we all know that ultimately if we're going to do anything with the old

1568
02:16:50,900 --> 02:16:54,860
courthouse, we have to either do some kind of a structural improvement to the

1569
02:16:54,860 --> 02:17:00,660
rooftop, which could be very expensive. So I was concerned because I from

1570
02:17:00,660 --> 02:17:03,560
Watson and sitting in these meetings, it seems like there should be budget

1571
02:17:03,560 --> 02:17:08,180
authority before we move forward with any money spent and that's where the

1572
02:17:08,180 --> 02:17:14,760
conversation kind of came up that we do have this $2 million set in reserve

1573
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:23,720
for capital improvements. So it looked like if you know we could move forward and do two

1574
02:17:23,720 --> 02:17:28,240
to three hundred thousand dollars in the project section or we could do the whole roof improvement

1575
02:17:28,700 --> 02:17:33,840
in which could be close to one and a half million dollars or more. So then it was like well

1576
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:39,320
do we put that money into the budget so it's got the budget authority already in place to

1577
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:43,740
do those projects next year and that's kind of where we landed with it.

1578
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:51,600
I, you know, so I could go back, I got the $38,700 is what, if you take the $2 million

1579
02:17:52,300 --> 02:17:58,240
completely away from doing anything with the old building, then I would still need $38,

1580
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:03,380
well I should say, because I took the $3,000 out for the ambulance thing.

1581
02:18:03,380 --> 02:18:08,300
but so I'd land like about thirty five seven hundred thirty five thousand seven hundred

1582
02:18:08,300 --> 02:18:13,520
is what I would need in my capital our buildings and structures line item which is one

1583
02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:19,200
oh one forty one sixty one and four thirty two but again that doesn't give us any budget

1584
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:25,260
authority to do anything to the old court house that no improvements to the drainage issues

1585
02:18:25,260 --> 02:18:33,000
no improvements to painting it no improvements to crack ceiling so that's that was my

1586
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:46,480
I came into this budget process with that dilemma is until we really know where we're absolutely going to land with it, I don't know what to do, but that puts no money in the 2027 budgets to do anything.

1587
02:18:49,970 --> 02:19:01,910
Thank you, John. And my belief is that that's your no fault of your own. You need some guidance from this commission as to what to be done.

1588
02:19:02,590 --> 02:19:05,270
and so I appreciate your work.

1589
02:19:08,370 --> 02:19:15,670
But you could live with the $38,000 or $35,700 for buildings and structures for next year.

1590
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:25,030
Correct, but that will accomplish nothing but projects that I want to do in this building in 4H.gov and stuff like that.

1591
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:34,430
Okay. Do you need, uh, okay, understood. Thank you. So that.

1592
02:19:34,610 --> 02:19:38,310
Questions have other questions. Can I have one more thing to say there?

1593
02:19:38,550 --> 02:19:43,950
Just one more thing is what that also takes away because that was included in the 2 million

1594
02:19:43,950 --> 02:19:50,070
is what we can do for renovating this structure to make it more usable by

1595
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:57,570
staff staying in this building. So you know if we need to add if we're moving one department to

1596
02:19:57,570 --> 02:20:01,350
another section and we need to add some sort of wall or something I would have no money in my

1597
02:20:01,350 --> 02:20:06,350
budget to do that. John when you first brought your budget to the budget committee didn't you have

1598
02:20:06,350 --> 02:20:08,890
about $800,000 in there for improvements.

1599
02:20:10,970 --> 02:20:14,490
I don't know if it was $800,000.

1600
02:20:21,470 --> 02:20:22,610
I mean no I didn't have

1601
02:20:22,610 --> 02:20:25,790
That high of a number is probably closer to $200,000.

1602
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:31,400
Okay,

1603
02:20:35,020 --> 02:20:42,320
additional monies that, again, we transferred, we basically figured it would be absorbed by the $2 million.

1604
02:20:43,340 --> 02:20:48,320
Last year, you had 299,000 for buildings and structures.

1605
02:20:48,840 --> 02:20:50,200
That's our budget this year.

1606
02:20:50,480 --> 02:20:50,940
Excuse me.

1607
02:20:51,260 --> 02:20:51,400
Yeah.

1608
02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:55,580
And it's the 171 is what's been spent through August.

1609
02:20:59,000 --> 02:20:59,540
Madam Chair.

1610
02:20:59,540 --> 02:21:08,160
here. Go ahead, Commissioner. So I'm, you know, taking the roughly two million dollars

1611
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:12,060
off for the court, I was kicking the can down the road, which the commissioner has done

1612
02:21:12,060 --> 02:21:15,380
a good job for many years doing that. As soon as going to have to be made sooner or later

1613
02:21:15,380 --> 02:21:25,840
whether we fix it or turn it down, but with that said, if we leave 200, 35,700 in there,

1614
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:31,800
that will take care of your needs. I don't want to hamstring you here if you need a couple

1615
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:34,300
dollars more than let's make it that if that's your number.

1616
02:21:36,610 --> 02:21:39,870
Well the overall dilemma is where do I

1617
02:21:39,870 --> 02:21:49,930
start? You know, I will have a very tough time spending 60,000 hours to do a caulking project if

1618
02:21:49,930 --> 02:21:54,750
we really truly don't know if we're being the roofing project. We know the roofing project is

1619
02:21:54,750 --> 02:21:59,410
going to be very expensive to fix the rafters and the roof is going to be very expensive. That's

1620
02:21:59,410 --> 02:22:05,710
where we were landing. You know, that could be one and a half million dollars, you know. The

1621
02:22:05,710 --> 02:22:11,150
discussion was the demolition that if we demolished the old courthouse, that would have been one and a half

1622
02:22:11,150 --> 02:22:16,750
million dollars. We don't have those fine numbers. We could we talking we're trying to put together a

1623
02:22:17,710 --> 02:22:23,570
RFP to get an architect on board to finally start ironing all this out.

1624
02:22:24,910 --> 02:22:31,630
That by itself is going to be expensive, you know, and so we jumped one board as you as the commission vote to do that

1625
02:22:32,190 --> 02:22:34,270
I don't know what that number could be, but that could be

1626
02:22:35,370 --> 02:22:40,010
I don't know I could easily see that approaching $100,000 to get that done

1627
02:22:40,810 --> 02:22:41,590
Madam chair

1628
02:22:42,210 --> 02:22:45,450
John, I have a question instead of concentrating

1629
02:22:46,030 --> 02:22:49,310
Where the $200,000 goes on the old building?

1630
02:22:49,310 --> 02:22:54,830
Shouldn't we be looking at what modifications that need to be made in this building?

1631
02:22:54,830 --> 02:23:01,250
If we put in a different departments, if we put in a public defender's office, if we

1632
02:23:01,250 --> 02:23:08,150
need to remodel for our Director of Equalization, because she's cramped in there, you know, like

1633
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:13,250
bookends in there, shouldn't we be looking at monies that should go here because we can

1634
02:23:13,250 --> 02:23:14,330
use this place.

1635
02:23:14,330 --> 02:23:22,130
We need this. This is staff development. This is good government. Over there, what are you going to do with it?

1636
02:23:22,250 --> 02:23:26,190
I mean, you can look at it, but it has no functional value for us right now.

1637
02:23:26,830 --> 02:23:31,710
So when you talk about the 200,000, I'm saying I'd like to see you spend that here.

1638
02:23:32,270 --> 02:23:37,390
I'm going to agree with Commissioner Aaron's if he wants to cut two million dollars out until later date.

1639
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:41,110
I'm going to second his motion. So I think that's where we should be.

1640
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:42,030
So

1641
02:23:44,170 --> 02:23:49,510
do you have a realistic number that you think you actually need in that line item?

1642
02:23:49,690 --> 02:23:58,570
So originally had said 35, 7, and then you said 200,000, so what is the number that you need?

1643
02:23:58,890 --> 02:24:01,590
What? And we did agree to that. We did tell them the RRP.

1644
02:24:04,370 --> 02:24:10,830
Right, we did do that, but without regard to anything actually being done.

1645
02:24:10,830 --> 02:24:17,950
right on the old courthouse. So in the nine years I've been here I've put I've

1646
02:24:17,950 --> 02:24:23,450
subdivided and subdivided many different spaces. Any of those subdivided spaces

1647
02:24:23,450 --> 02:24:25,210
typically cost about 10 grand.

1648
02:24:27,310 --> 02:24:29,150
I really don't know where we're going to land

1649
02:24:29,150 --> 02:24:34,170
with how to we're trying to figure out where the property equalization is going to

1650
02:24:34,170 --> 02:24:38,830
spread out to. If we're an example if we want to maybe subdivide some of the

1651
02:24:38,830 --> 02:24:42,950
based on what's currently the state's attorney's office, which will be vacated, you know,

1652
02:24:43,050 --> 02:24:47,270
I'll have to put up a war structure. Well, that could, at this point in time, I could

1653
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:50,630
see what I would envision doing there would be a $20,000 project.

1654
02:24:51,790 --> 02:24:57,230
And then you just have to come in and ask for supplements on when the decisions were being

1655
02:24:57,230 --> 02:24:57,510
made.

1656
02:24:58,070 --> 02:25:01,670
Right. That would be the next option. And that's part of the conversation we had with the

1657
02:25:01,670 --> 02:25:07,350
building, the budget committee was, do we, do I just not put any number in there and then

1658
02:25:07,350 --> 02:25:11,130
and choose to try to get supplemented as the need

1659
02:25:11,130 --> 02:25:12,590
and as numbers come in.

1660
02:25:13,310 --> 02:25:15,290
Or do we put budget authority there now?

1661
02:25:16,610 --> 02:25:20,670
And you guys still ultimately authorize

1662
02:25:20,670 --> 02:25:22,370
whether I spread it out of that budget authority.

1663
02:25:22,450 --> 02:25:25,150
It's not like I go out to spend money that's in the budget

1664
02:25:25,590 --> 02:25:26,430
just because it's there.

1665
02:25:29,960 --> 02:25:31,720
That's the whole thing with the $2 million.

1666
02:25:32,020 --> 02:25:32,840
It's a huge number.

1667
02:25:33,400 --> 02:25:35,760
But it was just established the budget authority

1668
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:41,660
to give the five commissions that will be here January 1st, the ability to spend it.

1669
02:25:41,720 --> 02:25:42,020
Okay.

1670
02:25:45,410 --> 02:25:47,270
Other questions from the commission?

1671
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:56,810
Okay. Any public input on this part of the budget?

1672
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:01,400
Thank you, Terry.

1673
02:26:03,490 --> 02:26:05,370
John, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm on one committee.

1674
02:26:06,270 --> 02:26:08,010
He'll leave your arms, highway, other territory.

1675
02:26:10,210 --> 02:26:16,790
Let him on gallery for every such quote up to Commissioner Schmidt if I may, Madam Chair,

1676
02:26:17,430 --> 02:26:21,030
the functional value that you were talking about putting into this building.

1677
02:26:21,610 --> 02:26:29,990
I think that until we, I do not see that, I still see that old building as having functional

1678
02:26:32,550 --> 02:26:40,130
and I really don't, I know that there's a push to get rid of that old courthouse but

1679
02:26:40,130 --> 02:26:47,750
I think there is functional value. Now how much that will cost to make it up, you know,

1680
02:26:47,810 --> 02:26:54,990
we've talked about that but I think at this point I would like to see us doing what you

1681
02:26:54,990 --> 02:26:56,210
would do with your own homes.

1682
02:26:57,550 --> 02:27:00,570
Instead of adding, you're going to tear down a room,

1683
02:27:00,790 --> 02:27:04,710
but that room might be able to be used for something else

1684
02:27:04,710 --> 02:27:05,990
with minimal repairs.

1685
02:27:06,970 --> 02:27:08,050
That's what I'm talking about.

1686
02:27:10,250 --> 02:27:13,910
As far as taking out that whole budget,

1687
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:20,570
I understand that he needs a budget to make improvements

1688
02:27:20,570 --> 02:27:22,810
wherever you need and then to supplement

1689
02:27:22,810 --> 02:27:32,890
and as the year goes on next year, I would like to, you know, he needs some working things,

1690
02:27:33,310 --> 02:27:39,590
some capital to work with and I would say I wouldn't even mind 100,000 that he has in

1691
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:47,110
that budget to be used prudently and for the updates that means to be done with this building

1692
02:27:47,110 --> 02:27:54,630
and then if we can see the value in that old building that I do, it's my suggestion.

1693
02:27:55,710 --> 02:27:57,070
Thank you, other public input.

1694
02:28:04,990 --> 02:28:05,850
Good morning, commission.

1695
02:28:06,890 --> 02:28:13,410
Chad Skiles of Canton, and I also served on the old courthouse advisory committee.

1696
02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:20,650
What I'm going to say is this, you cut the $2 million to cut the $2 million.

1697
02:28:20,650 --> 02:28:25,950
dollars. But, and I guess this is some rhetorical questions,

1698
02:28:28,540 --> 02:28:30,080
we cannot, like Commissioner

1699
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:36,300
Otton said, we cannot continue to kick this can down the road. It's been ignored way

1700
02:28:36,300 --> 02:28:45,180
too long. I agree with the previous speaker, there's value in that old building. Yes, sentimental

1701
02:28:45,180 --> 02:28:51,420
value, but also practical value. And lastly, I guess I was just going to be an open-ended

1702
02:28:51,420 --> 02:28:59,480
question and that is is that whatever amount you take out for the what ifs on

1703
02:28:59,480 --> 02:29:06,200
how to maintain the old courthouse that is is that if you take out all the money

1704
02:29:06,200 --> 02:29:14,480
today if January 5th the 2027 we decide that something is going to be done but

1705
02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:21,140
there was no money budgeted and John's budget and he comes back I sure hope that

1706
02:29:21,140 --> 02:29:25,960
there's a five to zero vote supporting supplementing his budget to continue

1707
02:29:25,960 --> 02:29:29,920
that process. Thank you. Thank you. Other public input?

1708
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:40,310
Hi, Sarah Steber from Lennox. I just wanted to point out that codified law

1709
02:29:40,310 --> 02:29:45,610
seven dash 21, dash 11 is still on the books and that's the one that limits you

1710
02:29:45,610 --> 02:29:48,230
to 95%. Thank you. Thank you.

1711
02:29:52,820 --> 02:29:53,880
Other public input?

1712
02:29:53,880 --> 02:29:54,080
but

1713
02:29:57,540 --> 02:29:59,780
if not, is there a motion?

1714
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:26,280
Yes. Go ahead, commissioner. This is this is the motion I was going to make. So my motion was to under category 43 capital A capital outlay line item 101-4161-432000 buildings and structures that we reduce that two million thirty eight thousand seven hundred down to three hundred and thirty five thousand seven hundred. Second,

1715
02:30:28,960 --> 02:30:31,780
had a motion in a second. Any discussion?

1716
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:41,440
Well, that was going to be my motion, too, and I think here's where we're at.

1717
02:30:44,260 --> 02:30:49,540
Mr. DeGroates sent me an RFP. For my review, I need to turn that around to him.

1718
02:30:52,900 --> 02:30:58,000
My guesstimate is the RFP will probably go out the door in the next 30 days,

1719
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:07,700
is, and the RFP could be responded to within the next 60, so that puts us 90. And then

1720
02:31:08,570 --> 02:31:15,820
for the, depending upon the scope of work and who responds to the RFP, that maybe puts

1721
02:31:15,820 --> 02:31:24,160
us out about it six months. So I foresee that we do, we will have some kind of response

1722
02:31:33,260 --> 02:31:43,860
and then that gives enough time to bring all the stakeholders to the table to develop a game plan for FY 2028.

1723
02:31:46,460 --> 02:31:48,220
So that's why I second this.

1724
02:31:48,220 --> 02:31:51,680
All right, I got a motion on a second.

1725
02:31:51,800 --> 02:31:54,040
Is there any other discussion before the vote?

1726
02:31:54,500 --> 02:32:01,940
So, Commissioner Ratton, this calls for a reduction in our budget of how much money?

1727
02:32:02,580 --> 02:32:11,500
1.7 is it 1.7, 1.7, 3 into the mic.

1728
02:32:12,140 --> 02:32:12,500
How much?

1729
02:32:12,760 --> 02:32:14,200
1.7.

1730
02:32:14,540 --> 02:32:16,060
Okay, 1.7.

1731
02:32:16,260 --> 02:32:16,400
All right.

1732
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:18,540
one point one and all three. Okay.

1733
02:32:21,430 --> 02:32:26,450
Thank you. My comments on that motion is after talking to John,

1734
02:32:26,630 --> 02:32:32,270
that's the number that should be able to get him by that he needs. So I'm not interested in

1735
02:32:32,270 --> 02:32:39,170
answering an imminent shape or form. So and Commissioner Aaron's is I agree with him on when those

1736
02:32:39,170 --> 02:32:43,870
numbers will start coming in and we'll start looking at it down. That hard decision is going to have to be made.

1737
02:32:43,870 --> 02:32:46,790
All right. We got a motion in a second.

1738
02:32:47,290 --> 02:32:52,890
Okay. Now I like to clarify this because I couldn't hear much of anything that was happening there.

1739
02:32:53,870 --> 02:33:00,050
Speaking to the mic. But anyhow, so we're going to take one point how much?

1740
02:33:00,270 --> 02:33:05,210
Seven. We're going to reduce the 2,837.

1741
02:33:05,810 --> 02:33:07,010
You see where that's at?

1742
02:33:07,430 --> 02:33:08,530
To the one point.

1743
02:33:08,530 --> 02:33:19,290
We're going to reduce it down to 3357, so it's going to be an overall reduction of 1.703 million.

1744
02:33:20,410 --> 02:33:20,890
Okay.

1745
02:33:21,610 --> 02:33:22,210
Okay.

1746
02:33:22,710 --> 02:33:23,090
All right.

1747
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:24,690
Any other questions or discussion?

1748
02:33:26,130 --> 02:33:27,570
If not, at least should we call the roll?

1749
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:28,910
Commissioner Putnam?

1750
02:33:29,470 --> 02:33:29,650
Yes.

1751
02:33:30,050 --> 02:33:30,270
Schmidt?

1752
02:33:30,690 --> 02:33:30,870
Yes.

1753
02:33:31,250 --> 02:33:31,450
Aaron?

1754
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:32,010
Yes.

1755
02:33:42,890 --> 02:33:57,450
I have a couple of questions on if I can ask go ahead Commissioner Patnam does

1756
02:33:57,450 --> 02:34:09,430
Does the budget include another step or wage increase for the 27 in addition to the 3% increase approved for 26?

1757
02:34:12,100 --> 02:34:14,280
I'm not sure I understand your question.

1758
02:34:14,620 --> 02:34:18,620
I mean we put in the pay study with

1759
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:22,040
the budget numbers.

1760
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:27,700
There is a 3% COLA adjustment in a 2.5% or a step increase.

1761
02:34:27,700 --> 02:34:36,650
Are there just a center operating and staffing costs fully reflected in that?

1762
02:34:39,930 --> 02:34:45,110
If John has a building and grounds person included in his budget, then yes.

1763
02:34:46,070 --> 02:34:48,190
I don't know what other staffing there would be.

1764
02:34:48,430 --> 02:34:56,070
The sheriff's included his, yes, all requested new employees are in those numbers.

1765
02:34:56,890 --> 02:35:03,310
then I'd like one other thing I'd like to back up to on life'scape if I can just

1766
02:35:03,310 --> 02:35:11,820
so it's on the record and everybody knows it okay the CEO of life'scape Steve

1767
02:35:11,820 --> 02:35:27,600
Watkins takes in 400 and 400,377 and with another 65,000 which brings him

1768
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:48,280
at a total of 464,972. Kimberly Marsh, she's C-O-O, is $270,623 with a stifon of $29,868

1769
02:35:48,280 --> 02:35:56,960
for $300,000, Steve Wilson's a CFO, I don't know what that is, but he takes in

1770
02:35:56,960 --> 02:36:06,620
$3 or $234,559 with a $35,874

1771
02:36:06,620 --> 02:36:19,400
dollars Diffin for a total of $270,433. Then there's Jason, he's a VP of HR. And with

1772
02:36:19,400 --> 02:36:31,120
his Diffin and everything, he's taken in $188,608. Now this I got from a taxpayer of Lincoln

1773
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:39,320
County. Now the 55,000 that we're going to give them is just like P&N on the fire, isn't it?

1774
02:36:40,680 --> 02:36:45,580
Excuse the pun. That was a good waste of time on that cash.

1775
02:36:47,770 --> 02:36:49,310
And of course, I don't know what the

1776
02:36:49,310 --> 02:36:51,130
other ones are. That's just a start.

1777
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:56,100
Thank you. All right. Any other changes that the

1778
02:36:56,100 --> 02:37:03,340
commission wants to make to our budget today? Potential. This bleeds into agenda item number two,

1779
02:37:03,340 --> 02:37:12,260
but they're all the same is this I want to go to the 9-11 category here so we'll go ahead

1780
02:37:12,260 --> 02:37:14,820
and move on to item 2 on our agenda them

1781
02:37:18,180 --> 02:37:22,020
because this issue is going to have budgetary impact.

1782
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:28,820
Commissioner or commissioner Sheriff's lunch and this is your item do you want to come up?

1783
02:37:28,820 --> 02:37:29,220
All

1784
02:37:33,220 --> 02:37:34,840
right, he's once in Lincoln gun chef

1785
02:37:36,100 --> 02:37:38,220
So I was contacted by

1786
02:37:43,950 --> 02:37:46,510
assistant fire chief Graham went with the

1787
02:37:48,030 --> 02:37:55,490
Who oversees metro communications and he kind of my understanding is he spearheaded this which I think it's long overdue is

1788
02:37:55,490 --> 02:37:56,210
they want to

1789
02:37:56,790 --> 02:38:05,890
They've done all SLS one at all 27 peace apps to be on board with and county commission and our governing board to be on board with

1790
02:38:05,890 --> 02:38:11,890
moving dispatchers from a class A retirement system to the class B retirement system.

1791
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:18,810
And what that entailed for Lincoln County was, I've reached out to all of our employees in 911

1792
02:38:18,810 --> 02:38:23,630
that would clarify which all of our employees would as a dispatcher.

1793
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:29,470
It's not retroactive, but it would move them from the A system to the B system,

1794
02:38:29,470 --> 02:38:31,970
which reduces 10 years off their service.

1795
02:38:32,530 --> 02:38:38,770
Now, if anybody knows what a dispatcher does, you know it's a high stress, there's ups and

1796
02:38:38,770 --> 02:38:43,910
downs through their careers just like law enforcement or anybody else, maybe not the same

1797
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:48,670
as far as you're in danger, but it's definitely the high stress position.

1798
02:38:49,370 --> 02:38:55,190
So what they'd ask me to do is present at this commission and I 100% agree that this should

1799
02:38:55,190 --> 02:39:01,790
what happened is that we would support the resolution in support of the South Dakota

1800
02:39:01,790 --> 02:39:06,430
retirement system reclassifying of the 911 telecommunication operators.

1801
02:39:07,390 --> 02:39:10,790
So all 27 peace apps are on border-fist.

1802
02:39:11,050 --> 02:39:13,170
I think we're the last one that is presenting.

1803
02:39:14,310 --> 02:39:16,630
What I'm asking is that we support this.

1804
02:39:17,250 --> 02:39:21,490
It will be a cost and all the dispatchers agreed to the 2% extra that will come out of their

1805
02:39:21,490 --> 02:39:24,350
paycheck so that they have skin in the game as well.

1806
02:39:24,350 --> 02:39:33,570
But it would increase 901 employee county contributions by I believe it was $21,000 annually.

1807
02:39:35,860 --> 02:39:37,360
Thank you questions for us here.

1808
02:39:42,820 --> 02:39:44,960
They would retire early then.

1809
02:39:46,260 --> 02:39:50,580
Right, so this would be no different than 20s of your example.

1810
02:39:50,900 --> 02:39:54,260
If I was a dispatcher for five years and then I became a police officer, you just switch

1811
02:39:54,260 --> 02:39:59,220
from an aid would be, it's not going to do a lot of, it's going to be a big benefit

1812
02:39:59,220 --> 02:40:07,200
to 80% of my dispatchers because 90% of their time is already in the A system and it doesn't

1813
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:13,120
go backwards. So those dispatchers would go from a class A which would be what they

1814
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:21,760
would qualify for retirement up to say a Dracoballon. Then he would move to the B and it would reduce

1815
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:26,640
the service by a little bit but a more dispatcher is starting out and still after about 30 years

1816
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:28,700
They could retire in 20 years.

1817
02:40:31,230 --> 02:40:37,310
Can we make this applicable to just new hires after anyone hired after the date of this

1818
02:40:37,310 --> 02:40:37,870
resolution?

1819
02:40:38,470 --> 02:40:39,890
Well, and we're just doing the resolution.

1820
02:40:40,050 --> 02:40:45,170
It's by state statute, if I'm not mistaken, I mean that legislature would have to pass

1821
02:40:45,170 --> 02:40:47,770
this to move the classification.

1822
02:40:48,850 --> 02:40:49,010
Correct.

1823
02:40:49,550 --> 02:40:52,630
I think that's the RIS has to first approve it.

1824
02:40:52,690 --> 02:40:52,810
Yes.

1825
02:40:53,130 --> 02:40:56,790
I know prosecutors tried doing it along many, many years ago.

1826
02:40:59,750 --> 02:41:07,990
I get the fact that this is just a resolution that they can package up and send to the legislature and say, hey, everybody did this. I get that part.

1827
02:41:08,750 --> 02:41:26,630
I'm trying to have some discussion about maybe adding some nuance into this. For example, having this applied to new hires, but it wouldn't apply to people who are presently hired inside.

1828
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:32,950
the old system, or maybe if you just got hired within the last two years, three years,

1829
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:34,570
four years, or something like that.

1830
02:41:36,910 --> 02:41:40,550
So there's that. Number two, when it comes to peace set,

1831
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:46,090
because I'll support the resolution, that's not the issue for me. The other issue, though,

1832
02:41:46,470 --> 02:41:50,930
that I think is a bigger issue is the number of peace apps that we have in this state.

1833
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:59,330
Governor Janklow bless his soul 30 years ago identified the number of peace

1834
02:41:59,330 --> 02:42:03,470
apps that we have as being problematic he wanted to reduce the number of

1835
02:42:03,470 --> 02:42:07,430
peace apps could never get it done because there were too many county commissions

1836
02:42:07,430 --> 02:42:14,070
that that were defending their turf and they didn't want to you know upset the

1837
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:19,310
apple basket and so we're stuck you know it's like the sheriff said we got 27

1838
02:42:19,310 --> 02:42:21,150
seven peace apps out there right now.

1839
02:42:21,810 --> 02:42:24,290
Question becomes is can we reduce that

1840
02:42:24,290 --> 02:42:26,350
and see efficiencies through reduction?

1841
02:42:27,290 --> 02:42:28,610
And there's a study out now.

1842
02:42:29,230 --> 02:42:31,450
There's a study that was done.

1843
02:42:31,930 --> 02:42:35,530
This costs six figures to do the study

1844
02:42:35,530 --> 02:42:37,410
and it came out what a couple of years ago.

1845
02:42:38,890 --> 02:42:42,710
And it said to do what Governor Janclow said

1846
02:42:42,710 --> 02:42:45,570
to do 30 years ago is you've got to continue

1847
02:42:45,570 --> 02:42:47,270
to consolidate your peace apps.

1848
02:42:47,270 --> 02:42:51,850
Now, Sheriff and I, we went through this.

1849
02:42:52,370 --> 02:42:58,510
I said, a couple of years ago, Sheriff, we should consolidate with Sioux Falls or we should look into it.

1850
02:42:59,010 --> 02:43:09,470
What Sheriff did instead is he went out and found other customers to maintain the Lincoln County Peace app.

1851
02:43:10,050 --> 02:43:13,570
Because there would have been issues and this is important for the public to understand.

1852
02:43:13,570 --> 02:43:18,010
Maybe this is important for commissioners to understand if you yourself don't know this.

1853
02:43:18,850 --> 02:43:24,610
You got to invest in all these different CAD systems, and if you change your PSAPs up

1854
02:43:24,610 --> 02:43:25,070
and all that.

1855
02:43:25,610 --> 02:43:31,030
So there would have been all kinds of retrofitting expenses that made it cost prohibitive

1856
02:43:31,730 --> 02:43:33,430
to consolidate the PSAP.

1857
02:43:36,490 --> 02:43:44,890
Now, I think that Lincoln County has taken on this position of basically saying it's

1858
02:43:44,890 --> 02:43:47,210
cost prohibitive to join with metro communications.

1859
02:43:48,050 --> 02:43:51,830
So instead, we're going to go out there and we're going to take on Harrisburg and Lenekson.

1860
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:52,450
Can you keep this?

1861
02:43:53,310 --> 02:43:57,730
I understand what you want to speak on, but can you keep it to the resolution that we're

1862
02:43:57,730 --> 02:43:58,230
looking at?

1863
02:43:58,230 --> 02:43:59,230
This is part of the resolution.

1864
02:43:59,570 --> 02:43:59,630
Okay.

1865
02:43:59,630 --> 02:44:00,570
and here's why.

1866
02:44:02,760 --> 02:44:08,100
If the cost to the county is going to increase by adopting the resolution,

1867
02:44:09,080 --> 02:44:14,600
we then, as responsible stewards of taxpayer money, have to look for other offsets.

1868
02:44:15,400 --> 02:44:21,020
So if you want to increase the amount of money through moving these people to a different SDRS

1869
02:44:21,020 --> 02:44:27,640
category, you have to look for ways to make that revenue neutral. And that's why any kind of discussion

1870
02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:34,120
about moving these people from retirement categories has to necessarily require us to talk about

1871
02:44:34,120 --> 02:44:37,940
the number of peace apps. Now get it. There's people who don't want to talk about that. There's

1872
02:44:37,940 --> 02:44:43,220
people who like the status quo of the current system. But here's the thing. We send this resolution

1873
02:44:43,220 --> 02:44:48,920
up and everybody's going to be like, see, see, everybody's for increasing the SDRS category. That's

1874
02:44:48,920 --> 02:44:55,320
personnel expense. But then if you're a legislator, you might be saying to yourself, we'll hold on

1875
02:44:55,320 --> 02:44:59,940
minute here. Where's the savings? Why is it always just more cost?

1876
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:16,660
Cost and more cost. Why don't we think about institutional reform? So I want my comments on the record here as part of my support for this to also reflect the fact we got a study out there and we've got governors, we got legislators who all understand that these peace apps need to be reformed as well.

1877
02:45:20,660 --> 02:45:29,880
Thank you, other commissioners? Yes, I would like to comment on this. The going from 6% to 8% is going to cost.

1878
02:45:33,060 --> 02:45:44,590
the county about another $20,000 a year per person just to put it on the record

1879
02:45:44,590 --> 02:45:50,770
there just so that they understand it. Joel, I

1880
02:45:56,500 --> 02:45:58,080
guess that's part of what Joel

1881
02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:04,860
would be talking about so just so that it's understood that what the cost is

1882
02:46:04,860 --> 02:46:05,460
going to be.

1883
02:46:08,940 --> 02:46:14,060
Sure, did you have any other comments? I would say that making a for new employees

1884
02:46:14,060 --> 02:46:19,660
and not old employees, I don't think there would be any buy-in for that to be honest with you.

1885
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:25,300
If I've got two years in a peace app and the person, they just all quit. That's what I do anyway.

1886
02:46:25,560 --> 02:46:32,520
Go work for a peace app that did pay the 8% reduce your working years by 10 years.

1887
02:46:32,520 --> 02:46:37,800
But I get the, we're looking at cost savings and I'm just going to throw it out there.

1888
02:46:38,200 --> 02:46:44,940
We just read, we negotiated with Turner County, which was an increase of $35,000 for next

1889
02:46:44,940 --> 02:46:49,000
year in revenue, so I guess we've, we're cost neutral.

1890
02:46:49,860 --> 02:46:50,780
Thank you, Sheriff.

1891
02:46:51,300 --> 02:46:55,740
And I am saying that I'm, I'm going to go along with what you're doing.

1892
02:46:55,740 --> 02:46:59,700
I just wanted to reflect the fact of what it's going to cost for each person.

1893
02:46:59,700 --> 02:47:02,200
There's a resolution in front of us.

1894
02:47:02,300 --> 02:47:04,200
Is there any public input on the resolution?

1895
02:47:15,710 --> 02:47:18,110
Good morning again, Commission Chad Skiles from Canton.

1896
02:47:19,610 --> 02:47:23,210
Being an old 911 dispatcher way back in the day

1897
02:47:23,210 --> 02:47:26,370
and a former 911 director for Lincoln County,

1898
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:32,230
who saw the onboarding of Turner County and the importance

1899
02:47:32,230 --> 02:47:34,690
of regionalized 911 and what it can do

1900
02:47:34,690 --> 02:47:36,630
for the smaller counties in South Dakota.

1901
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:48,890
I just want to say on record that I support this resolution 100%, I do not support the idea of not including the current dispatching staff.

1902
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:56,610
And the reason for that is that if you look at Lincoln County 911's current dispatching staff,

1903
02:47:58,110 --> 02:48:10,270
of that staff, of those personnel, have 20 to 35 years of service to Lincoln County.

1904
02:48:11,070 --> 02:48:17,290
And if you look at other 911 piece apps around the state, including one, the biggest one

1905
02:48:17,290 --> 02:48:25,410
just north of us, the turnover there is in general way higher than it is here in Lincoln

1906
02:48:25,410 --> 02:48:31,710
and county and to penalize the years of service of those current dispatchers I think is a

1907
02:48:31,710 --> 02:48:38,030
travesty and I would certainly hope that the commission would not support that part of it.

1908
02:48:38,350 --> 02:48:40,310
Thank you. Thank you.

1909
02:48:43,800 --> 02:48:48,220
Any other public input? If not, is there a motion?

1910
02:48:51,860 --> 02:49:01,340
Motion to move on. Sheriff's recommendation of a reclassification of a 91-91 telecommunication

1911
02:49:01,340 --> 02:49:03,200
to class B.

1912
02:49:07,280 --> 02:49:08,400
All right, is there a second?

1913
02:49:15,060 --> 02:49:16,680
Thank you, I've got a motion in a second.

1914
02:49:16,680 --> 02:49:17,740
Any further discussion?

1915
02:49:18,700 --> 02:49:25,960
Yeah, I've got, I guess I would like to see it go the people

1916
02:49:25,960 --> 02:49:28,700
that are on there right now and get it right away.

1917
02:49:29,340 --> 02:49:30,540
That would be the only thing.

1918
02:49:31,180 --> 02:49:33,480
Because if they're going to do it, they just will do it.

1919
02:49:36,070 --> 02:49:41,230
And I'm going to support the resolution simply because I think

1920
02:49:41,230 --> 02:49:46,390
that our dispatchers and 9-1-1 operators are probably have one of the most

1921
02:49:46,390 --> 02:49:55,130
stressful jobs providing that service to our tax payers. And so I'm going to

1922
02:49:55,130 --> 02:50:01,530
provide it for the same reasons that law enforcement officers are class B public

1923
02:50:01,530 --> 02:50:02,370
safety members.

1924
02:50:05,110 --> 02:50:08,370
If there's no further discussion I'll show you color roll.

1925
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:27,030
I'm going to hold that off until next week. I've got a couple other things to say too.

1926
02:50:28,270 --> 02:50:32,430
All right. Then we have our opportunity for public comment for items not on our agenda.

1927
02:50:36,500 --> 02:50:37,500
Any public comment?

1928
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:44,540
If not, are there any commission reports?

1929
02:50:44,540 --> 02:50:50,500
No, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't pulled for regular, it was just removed.

1930
02:50:51,650 --> 02:50:52,920
Paul, do you have a report?

1931
02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:19,480
Just briefly, last week, the Turner Lincoln County, or Lincoln play, Water District presented, that I just was saying I'm working with them to get updated language part of their discussion was to have the board consider becoming a sponsor.

1932
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:28,840
So just to heads up that you will see some draft language and an item on either next week or the following week's agenda for the board to consider being a sponsor.

1933
02:51:29,460 --> 02:51:34,860
So I give you guys an update on that and that's all I have for right now.

1934
02:51:35,360 --> 02:51:38,240
Thank you. Any commission reports?

1935
02:51:39,420 --> 02:51:48,140
After last week's meeting, I received a tremendous amount of positive feedback on the motion

1936
02:51:48,140 --> 02:51:54,220
for a moratorium on data centers. I just after that meeting and the amount of publicity,

1937
02:51:56,140 --> 02:52:06,500
probably 35, 36, 37 people sent me emails, properly received about a dozen phone calls on the issue

1938
02:52:06,500 --> 02:52:14,580
and who knows how many text messages, but there seems to be tremendous support for wanting to

1939
02:52:14,580 --> 02:52:24,620
rein in, take a time out or pause on data centers. There was people are very happy that we're going to have a

1940
02:52:24,620 --> 02:52:33,500
discussion with the City Asu Falls. There is a lot of people who want to give their input, who don't

1941
02:52:33,500 --> 02:52:41,840
like the status quo and they were very pleasantly surprised that there was support for holding

1942
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:45,700
another joint meeting with the city of Sioux Falls that's going to be the last Tuesday

1943
02:52:45,700 --> 02:52:53,560
in October at 7 p.m. and just reporting back feedback I'm getting on that.

1944
02:52:53,900 --> 02:52:58,920
Commissioner Ernst, do you know because that meeting will be in Sioux Falls, correct?

1945
02:52:58,920 --> 02:53:06,120
the rotation that we follow is we do every other meeting and so if we follow the

1946
02:53:06,120 --> 02:53:09,980
tradition and custom that means that the meeting would be up in Sioux Falls

1947
02:53:09,980 --> 02:53:14,440
because we held this one in camp. So I'm guessing that that'll be a lengthy

1948
02:53:14,440 --> 02:53:20,140
meeting so that would normally be our night meeting if I'm not mistaken so are

1949
02:53:20,140 --> 02:53:22,280
we going to move that night meeting to the morning?

1950
02:53:25,400 --> 02:53:27,660
I think we I don't know let's

1951
02:53:27,660 --> 02:53:34,060
discuss it. Let's talk about it. Let's pull our calendars out and look at them. Do you want

1952
02:53:34,060 --> 02:53:38,560
to do that now or do you want to work with the commission office on doing that? Well, I think we

1953
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:42,740
should work with the commission office first instead of doing it on the fly here this morning.

1954
02:53:43,380 --> 02:53:49,960
All right. Any other commissioner reports? Because we're also going to have to move the we have not

1955
02:53:49,960 --> 02:53:57,000
taken formal action yet on also moving our November election as well. So we're going to have to take

1956
02:53:57,000 --> 02:54:04,860
action on that too. We just seem to probably figure it out sooner rather than later for public hearings and those things.

1957
02:54:05,260 --> 02:54:11,040
I can read Commissioner Aaron's we did move the November 3rd meeting to November 5th.

1958
02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:14,100
Oh there you go. Those at the beginning of the year. There you go. We did it.

1959
02:54:14,320 --> 02:54:18,200
We need to look at the last day of our last.

1960
02:54:19,320 --> 02:54:29,700
Okay. Okay. Any other commission and reports? If not drew any executive session, no executive session. Motion to adjourn, please.

1961
02:54:31,340 --> 02:54:44,760
So moved. Motion is our second. So moved. Thank you. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Same sign. Hearing none, we are adjourned.