1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:12,960 stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 2 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,960 for all. >> Amen. 3 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:25,240 » Good morning and welcome to our regular meeting today, Tuesday, September 1st, 4 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,240 2026. 5 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:34,719 Um, I know that there's one change to pull uh item six off of the consent 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:39,160 agenda and just remove it completely. Are there other changes by the 7 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:39,160 commission? 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,120 If not, can I get a motion to approve our agenda? 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,520 » Thank you. I got a motion from Commissioner Autton. Is there a second? 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,280 » Second. >> Motion from [laughter] a second from 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,840 Commissioner Arens. If there's no further discussion, Alicia, will you 12 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:57,600 call the role? >> Commissioner Putnham, 13 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:59,440 » yes. >> Arens, 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,640 » yes. >> Here. 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:06,720 » Lendine, >> yes. Motion carries. Next, uh, move on 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:11,520 to our consent agenda agenda minus that item six. Can I get a motion to approve 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,000 our consent agenda? >> So moved. 18 00:01:12,479 --> 00:01:17,920 » Got a motion from Commissioner Erenss. Is there a second? 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,640 » Second. >> Got a second from Commissioner Aten. If 20 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:27,200 there's no further discussion, Alicia, we call the role. Commissioner Putnham, 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,880 » yes. >> Arens, 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,560 » yes. >> Hi. 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:35,759 » Lendine, >> yes. Motion carries. Uh, next we have 24 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:39,240 our public hearing on the 2027 Lincoln County budget 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:50,200 and our commission office um provided us with an updated copy, paper copy this 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,200 morning 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,200 and it was also attached to the agenda online. 28 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,799 So, 29 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,599 what changes, if any, do the commissioners want to make to the agenda 30 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,680 budget? >> Just for clarification, for public 31 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:24,560 knowledge, um the changes that were made were with the pay study that was 32 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:30,080 implemented. Then we went through and changed all the personnel throughout the 33 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:35,720 agenda. Also um we had talked about moving uh 34 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,720 101417242600 35 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:43,120 which is the HR budget from 12,000 to 4,000. I didn't do it when I origin 36 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:48,560 originally published the provisional so it's in there now. And the other change 37 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:52,560 was revenue in the emergency management. Herald had confirmed that the state 38 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,760 would be do a 40% match. Other than that those are the only changes that were 39 00:02:53,920 --> 00:03:01,200 done from the time of publication till today. Okay, thank you. Um, first, are 40 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:06,879 there any department heads that want to come up and speak to their budget as 41 00:03:03,519 --> 00:03:09,879 presented in our um, budget that we have now? 42 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,640 Nobody. All right. 43 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,720 All right. Commissioners, what do you want to do? 44 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,400 All 45 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:42,040 right. Is there anyone from the public who would like to come up and speak to 46 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,040 the budget as presented? 47 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:46,239 » You want to bring up one change, Madam Chair? 48 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,307 » Oh, okay. Go ahead, Commissioner. >> So, [clears throat] 49 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,319 thank you, Madam Chair. So, as I mentioned before, uh I do support trying 50 00:03:54,879 --> 00:04:04,959 to put something together for some funding for the Linux ambulance issue 51 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:08,000 that is going on. Uh Paul was having out those sheets. 52 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:13,840 » He stepped out. >> I see that. 53 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:18,959 Can Can you do that, Sherry? Thank you. Hand one out commissioners. So, what 54 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:24,639 I've done is worked through and around things a 55 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:29,040 little bit and not taking any money out of cash reserves. 56 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,400 I kind of asked the department, do you want to 57 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,520 speak into your microphone a little bit better? 58 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:41,360 » Yep. So, what I did is kind of asked the department heads to see if there was a 59 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:48,720 little they could give each way uh to help meet the number of uh 60,000 that 60 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:52,720 I'm recommending for the Lincoln County portion. 61 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:58,600 Let me hand those sheets out. Everybody can see what each one of those are. 62 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,479 And this is going to be my proposal. 63 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,720 There's the sheen talking >> and I'll go through them once you have 64 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,720 them. 65 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,639 » And I'd like to say thank you to all the department heads that were willing to 66 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:30,080 give a little bit in their budget to to make this happen. So I really appreciate 67 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:36,800 your effort in doing so. So my proposal is from the treasurer's 68 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:43,039 budget to take a th000 from supplies and motor vehicle for a total of two 4 a,000 69 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:51,680 from travel and supplies for 2,000 sheriff 2,000 minor equipment register 70 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:58,479 of deeds $500 auditor 2,000 EMS could cut 2,000 from emergency 71 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:02,160 service lines building and grounds I don't remember what line item that is 72 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:07,280 $2,000 HR $3,000 I believe that was out of 73 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:11,840 travel I believe and then $10,000 out of the commission's travel budget that was 74 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:15,919 at 21,000 that will bring that down to 11 which the second sheet reflects the 75 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:20,400 new numbers on that. [sighs and gasps] When it comes to other economic assist 76 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:25,680 um assistance, my proposal is to not give them a 77 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:31,639 budgetary increase from last year to basically keep them at 2026 levels. 78 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:44,240 Children's in would stay at 15 and drop of 135 is what it proposed. The 79 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:48,880 help center uh stays at 9473. Solless stays at 45. Inner lake stays at 80 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:55,600 6903. Linux enrichment stays at five. Can 81 00:06:51,280 --> 00:07:01,479 transition stays at 15. Code ababilities 4320 and Lifscapes 53 52332 82 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:07,800 which brings the total of all of those up to my request of 60,078. 83 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Not adding any new dollars to the budget, trying to find them within the 84 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:20,000 existing budget. So that is my proposal to add that to the 85 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:25,280 budget for that. And as you all know, uh they're still working on the operating 86 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:29,919 agreement. I think people have seen a uh draft. I know Drew has um been looking 87 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:36,000 through one because we need to obviously get the legal on that. So 88 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:40,479 » So if we if we got or reduced these items by the amount that you're 89 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:43,919 suggesting and move that to what line item would that go to? Do you know? I 90 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,840 have no idea. >> I would I would probably take it out of 91 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:52,479 other economic assistance. Just add it into that line item. 92 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,960 » Add it to other economic assistance as an ambulance line item. 93 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,759 » Yep. I'd have I'm going to have to double check and see how the accounting 94 00:07:56,479 --> 00:08:03,450 would go on it. But at this time, I would just say add it to there. 95 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:03,450 » Okay. [clears throat] 96 00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:08,720 It would be added to the general fund though. 97 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:13,520 » Okay. Nathan is here from the city of Linux. 98 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:17,599 if there was any pertinent questions about what's going on. Not about this, 99 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:25,160 but >> yeah. Commissioners have any questions 100 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:25,160 uh for Commissioner Auton? 101 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:36,000 » So, we're automatically giving the children's in for sure 28,000 next year. 102 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:41,360 And >> no, the recommendation was to leave it 103 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:43,839 at 2026 levels. you'll see those lines. So, they're actually reductions that 104 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:49,519 commission >> No, I understand that. But we've um have 105 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:52,560 we talked about given to children's in and 106 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,040 lifecape and everything >> every year. 107 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:59,200 » Every year. Okay. >> There has not been any discussion as to 108 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:02,800 what you want to cut out of the budget. You guys, you have not had any 109 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,160 discussion other than what Commissioner Aton is presenting. So, if you want to 110 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:13,120 cut all of it, you can cut all of it. He's just saying to keep it level to 111 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:18,640 take it out of these items. >> Yes. My proposal is to keep them static 112 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:22,800 » from 26 to 27. >> Doesn't mean that you somebody couldn't 113 00:09:20,959 --> 00:09:28,240 make a decision to cut more or cut them out entirely. That's not my proposal. 114 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:34,880 What was the process used to ascertain or determine 115 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:38,160 how and why each of the line items under other economic assistance would be 116 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,839 raised? >> Yeah. 117 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:50,000 » So, for example, uh the 2026 children's in uh budget is 118 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:55,600 15 and in 2027 the proposal is 285. Yeah, 119 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Paul Anderson, Link County Commission administrative assistant. Um, kind of 120 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:04,959 followed the same program, the same pattern we have since I came in. So that 121 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:10,080 was 2024 uh for the 25 budget year. Uh, we sent 122 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:17,279 out applications to the to the outside agencies um asked them to uh submit 123 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:21,839 their budget proposal, uh, financial audit documents, 124 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:26,640 uh, any justifications. Uh, this year we we changed it up a little bit. that we 125 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:30,720 had them submit um uh onepage funding explanation 126 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:37,360 justification documents make it a little bit easier. Uh those are sent uh to the 127 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:42,880 board. Um I include them in the budget line for other economic assistance as uh 128 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:47,839 an out uh as an outside agency request and then leave it up to the board to uh 129 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,680 determine whether or not they would like to fund that. And they have uh you 130 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,480 should have the packets in the email. If you don't have a handy, I can resend 131 00:10:53,120 --> 00:11:00,079 you. Um, but that that that explains their audit situ or their financial 132 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:04,880 situations, their budget requests, and their budget justification. 133 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:11,920 » Thank you, Paul. >> Yeah, I just want to note here. So, in 134 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:16,800 2024, Children's in was 8,000. Then it almost doubled the next year, so 135 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:23,279 2x. and then it's doubled again for 2027 to 136 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:28,959 285. Uh, Helpline Center has stayed flat for 137 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:36,880 the last 3 years. That's now jumped up to 12,000. 138 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:44,560 Solless has gone up uh almost 4x 139 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:50,959 uh was in 2024 it was 9473 and then 45k and 45k and 50. 140 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:57,279 Interlakes started at 6785 in 2024. 141 00:11:55,680 --> 00:12:02,560 That's kind of had some modest increases. Linux enrichment has stayed 142 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:07,200 flat for the last four years. Canton transit 143 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:12,480 has gone up well literally doubled in the last four years. 144 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:16,399 Uh decodabilities is statutoily required. 145 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:22,079 Uh so that number presumably is decided based upon 146 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:28,600 the statute. Then lifecaped has almost doubled as 147 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,600 well over the last four years. 148 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:38,000 And so, Commissioner Putnham, just to answer your question, it uh 149 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:42,680 these numbers have moved up pretty rapidly over the last few years. 150 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:56,639 Yeah. Um I, you know, in a uh $12 million shortfall, 151 00:12:52,800 --> 00:13:04,079 I guess this all looks kind of saddened. Um, some of this stuff I don't have no 152 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:11,000 clue. Like for instance, um, Linux enrichment. How how how do we need to be 153 00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:11,000 enriching them? 154 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:22,240 Well, my other concern is here that and I appreciate Commissioner 155 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:25,839 Attton going to the department heads. Uh went to the treasurer, the 4, the 156 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,639 sheriff, the register of deeds, the auditor, the EMS, the buildings and 157 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:36,839 grounds, the HR, and then the commission. 158 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:36,839 And they cut out approximately 159 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:44,000 what? Yeah. Yeah. What does that add up to? 160 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:49,920 » I think 15 >> 15,000. Well, that's 15,000 of spending. 161 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:54,320 Yeah.$ 155. That should have never been there in the first place because if they 162 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:57,920 can give it up for this should have never [clears throat] been budgeted in 163 00:13:55,680 --> 00:14:01,760 the first place. So, 164 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,440 » go ahead, Commissioner. >> I don't know if I necessarily agree with 165 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,959 that assessment that the fact that it should have been there in the first 166 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:12,800 place. I think they were doing me a favor. 167 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:17,199 to move this proposal along. >> I get No, I appreciate that. Thank you 168 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:25,279 for saying that in public. >> So, what is the reason that we need to 169 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:28,720 give um 60,000 to the ambulance in Lennox? What was the reasoning behind 170 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:33,360 that? >> Well, we're supposed to have a meeting 171 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:39,519 with Turner County to ascertain whether or not there's interest in uh having an 172 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:46,639 ambulance district. That would be a taxation district and I've talked to the 173 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:50,320 Turner County folks about that. They're interested in having that meeting. I 174 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:56,800 thought we were interested in having that meeting. And what that would do is 175 00:14:53,040 --> 00:15:04,639 if the ambulance district was approved is that would place a levy or a tax on 176 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:09,839 the people who would actually use the ambulance service themselves as opposed 177 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:15,680 to coming out of the general fund that comes from all taxpayers across the 178 00:15:11,839 --> 00:15:22,000 county. So, I think that we should have that meeting with Turner County uh 179 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:27,600 before we spend any taxpayer money here on the ambulance district cuz I thought 180 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:33,199 there was motivation to want to at least I'm being 181 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:38,320 told on the part of Turner County, they're interested in setting up an 182 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:42,720 ambulance district and I think uh we ought to sit down and talk with them 183 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:48,720 about doing the same thing. Now, would that be on um 184 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:53,000 certain townships with around surrounding Lennox then? 185 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,959 » Yep. Go ahead, Commissioner. >> It would be for the Lennox ambulance 186 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,800 service territory. >> Well, what's the territory? 187 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:06,560 » Which which includes like the city of T and Delipree Township. They have they 188 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:11,839 have all committed. I think there's an email out there just said the last few 189 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:17,839 days that breaks down which of the uh entities have decided to 190 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:22,800 get on board and the dollar mouse input on there. So yes, it includes townships, 191 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,519 but this is not intended to pay for the township's portions because this would 192 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,399 not cover that. >> Um what are we giving? 193 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:33,839 » I'm just I'm going to address Commissioner Arens. Okay. 194 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:37,680 » Do you think I I understand what you're saying about the ambulance district and 195 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:42,079 what by putting a line item and moving this money doesn't necessarily mean that 196 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:47,279 the county is approving the expense itself. I'm assuming there's 197 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:53,839 going to have to be more discussions and a vote. Would you agree? 198 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:57,839 » Sounds to me like we give budget authority and it that 199 00:16:56,079 --> 00:17:01,040 makes it happen. I don't know that that's necessarily 200 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,559 true. Um, >> seems like it works out. 201 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,280 » Legal is shaking their head. So, I don't I don't think we're we're actually 202 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,400 approving the expenditure. >> There would have to be a joint agreement 203 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:17,360 between all the entities and that's still in the in its infancy. 204 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,120 » Yeah. And I I think the joint agreement was sent around. Is that the email 205 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:24,000 you're referring to, Commissioner? Hot? >> Yes. 206 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,280 » Uh, there were no according to the one I've seen, there were no numbers 207 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:34,960 attached to it. There was supposed to be an exhibit attached to it that put all 208 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:39,200 of the respective entities breakdowns and uh nobody's provided that to me. 209 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,799 Commissioner Putnham, you've been provided that? 210 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:50,160 » No, I haven't. Um my question being is we're going to 211 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:56,400 give one ambulance district money or proposing here, but what about the other 212 00:17:53,280 --> 00:18:00,559 ambulance districts? We we're going to what are we going to do for them? 213 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:08,000 » Go ahead, Commissioner. >> So, uh to address Commissioner Har's 214 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:15,039 concerns, this is not to the uh spend the money. This is the money to put the 215 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:19,120 line item in the budget. >> All right. Sorry. So, this is not to 216 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:24,480 spend the money. This is to get a line item in the budget to have the funds 217 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:29,200 there if needed. uh is the in the intent of this otherwise we all realize if we 218 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,520 need the money next year that we're going to have to come and take it out of 219 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:38,080 the budget or out of out of reserves to have something done and there did not 220 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:42,480 seem to be any appetite to do that the last time I brought this up uh 221 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:46,400 Commissioner Putnham as the other ambulance services they haven't been 222 00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:50,480 here to ask and I guess if they do we'll deal with 223 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:56,240 that at that moment but they haven't come up here so I I'm not concerned 224 00:18:52,640 --> 00:19:01,200 about that at this moment. >> Well, yeah. And and I think the reason 225 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:05,280 they haven't asked is because they're able to fund their operations on their 226 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:10,880 own without assistance from the county commission. 227 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:20,080 » Um that's why and they run less overhead than Linux. Linux has higher overhead 228 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:26,559 and um that's choice that that they've made. that's a level of service um above 229 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:30,400 and beyond the others that they want to provide. 230 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:37,039 And um I just keep going back to this issue 231 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:43,120 of we should collaborate with Turner County. I've called township 232 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:49,840 supervisors, didn't reach all of them, but talked to a lot of them about this 233 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:58,663 issue and how they view the taxation of an ambulance district. And look, nobody 234 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:03,520 likes the idea of a tax increase, [clears throat] 235 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:08,400 especially when they're concerned about spending. 236 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:13,520 It makes it really difficult to do tax increases when there's no fiscal 237 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:19,120 discipline. However, in the township supervisors 238 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:25,039 that I've spoken with, they're all fairly conservative folks 239 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:33,280 and they all understand the importance of having an ambulance service to come 240 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:40,799 when it's called. and so they're willing to come to the table to talk about 241 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:46,400 uh forming an ambulance district. Um 242 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:51,280 but what I think they're concerned about is this issue of potential double 243 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:55,679 taxation. You get taxed on your property taxes. 244 00:20:53,520 --> 00:21:00,799 You get taxed as a township. You give the money to the township. You give the 245 00:20:57,679 --> 00:21:05,039 money to the to the county commit or to the county. 246 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:09,760 Then the county sends one check out the door in this instance proposed for 247 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:13,919 60,000 and then the township send money out the door for whatever dollar amounts 248 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:19,760 they would decide to support the ambulance district. Well, the issue's 249 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:25,679 been brought up to me and I I you know am sympathetic to this as well is well 250 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:31,840 why are we doing why do we have this taxation system that we do if we're 251 00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:38,880 going to send these checks out instead why don't we just form the ambulance 252 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:45,760 district and they would apply the tax to the affected people and then those 253 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:50,960 persons would have to pay for the service as opposed to county taxpayers 254 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:58,799 from around the whole county paying for it. Um, and then the other issue comes 255 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:06,080 in is this agreement. Um, as I understand it, this is not just 256 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:12,320 a proposal to uh give $60,000 to the Lennox Ambulance 257 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:18,480 District. There has also been a request made of us to participate 258 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:22,720 in this group of like 20 different entities 259 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:26,799 all the affected townships, the city of Linux, 260 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:32,559 Turner County. I mean there is a whole host of them and there would be this 261 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:39,120 committee of like 20 people as I understand it. Um, I may not be 262 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:43,600 precisely correct on that number of entities, but I'm just reaching for that 263 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,919 right now. It's it's all these entities and they would be a partner to this 264 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:52,080 contract where the city of Linux would provide 265 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:58,159 the service and then all these other entities would come together and just 266 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:03,919 pay for that service. Um, what I'm concerned about though is 267 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:08,559 that those entities, even though they're paying the fee, 268 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,520 they don't have governance authority over the ambulance system. 269 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,919 They pay the money, but they don't control the system. In fact, I think the 270 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:29,360 contract specifically says, Commissioner Utten, that Linux would control that. 271 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:35,520 So really, you're relying upon whoever in the city of Lennox to make 272 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:40,720 the policies and the procedures as well as the oversight. 273 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:45,679 But all the other participants, the donor entities, 274 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:55,360 they don't have any oversight over the taxpayer money that leaves the taxpayer. 275 00:23:50,320 --> 00:24:03,120 So they would just we I am concerned about setting up that kind of system 276 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:09,039 where there is no end toend control from where the money goes out of the taxpayer 277 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:16,000 pocket to where it gets spent. And I think the more effective approach, 278 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:19,200 but also the one that ensures there is taxpayer 279 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:23,880 oversight, is the ambulance district itself. 280 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,320 » Uh, go ahead, Commissioner Aten. >> So, you guys were dealing with this way 281 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:35,120 before I showed up here two months ago, and I'm under the impression that a 282 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:40,159 taxing district was decided against because it went fly. So, it just seems 283 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:47,919 like it's a red herring thrown out there on this issue. Uh, as did the governance 284 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:52,640 of the board. I'm pretty confident that some of these 285 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:56,559 people contributing and being part of this don't want to be running the 286 00:24:55,039 --> 00:25:00,480 amlets. That's my information from one of the 287 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,919 cities that they're not interested in having a spot on a board or be in charge 288 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,039 of running the amlets. Linux has done it for a long time and have done a fine job 289 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,400 of it. >> And we're not voting on an ambulance. 290 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:15,120 We're not making any decisions on an ambulance. This is simply um reducing 291 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:21,200 these budgetary amounts and then allotting $60,000 for future discussions 292 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:25,760 um regarding ambulance services. So, if we could get move that off of the dime 293 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:31,919 since we're not actually debating what we're going to do um to get our budget 294 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:35,679 uh finalized. And just to say when it comes to the townships or the other 295 00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:40,080 entities, that's for Linux to deal with them as to how that works out. I don't 296 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,600 believe that's for us to make the decisions for the townships of how the 297 00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:46,799 board is set up for them and what kind of representation they have. They're 298 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:51,279 contributing. That's something that they can negotiate themselves. I'm focusing 299 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,640 on Lincoln County's contribution. >> Commissioner Schmidt, did you want to 300 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,799 say something? >> Well, yes, I do. 301 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:03,760 » And I will afterwards if I can. Thank you. Um 302 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:11,279 we're up against the deadline here up until the 31st of December and then that 303 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:17,600 ambulance uh uh is cut off and remains in the city of Lennox. So I mean it's a 304 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:23,520 life or death issue in some some areas. I congratulate Commissioner Utton for 305 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:29,760 his endeavor to do this and what the idea was that you tried to distribute 306 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:36,559 this so it's equal so everybody pays something. I mean I I I we had a meeting 307 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:41,279 uh on an ambulance district earlier in the year a couple years ago and that was 308 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:46,559 the most one of the most inflammatory meetings I think we've had on opposition 309 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:51,919 to that. Now, maybe the temperature has changed, but we're coming up with a sum 310 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:58,159 of money that was talked about as possible. Uh, county portion, that's 311 00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:03,440 all. And Commissioner Autton has found a way in which to have that funds be 312 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:08,080 available. Doesn't mean we're going to spend it. Doesn't mean anything. It just 313 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:14,559 means that we now have sequestered the funds if we decided to go ahead with 314 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:20,080 that proposal. So I think uh I don't see anything wrong with putting that aside 315 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:27,200 and saying that these funds are and and I look at our staff for willingness to 316 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:32,880 try and cut their own budget to get this sum available. So I think we have a lot 317 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:37,279 of goodness, a lot of wins right here. So I don't have a problem with just 318 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:42,240 passing this thing saying we got the 60,000 should we want it? if we got it. 319 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:45,039 If we don't, we can we don't have to use it. So, do you need a motion, Madam 320 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,159 Chair? >> I'd like to speak. 321 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,240 » Oh, excuse me. I'm gonna Commissioner >> Commissioner Putnham, go ahead. You have 322 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:56,480 the floor. >> Okay. I've just got to thank Herman for 323 00:27:53,760 --> 00:28:02,480 uh lowering the budget. He just helped the 27 budget here by lowering it and I 324 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:10,080 appreciate that. And um I'm not 325 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,559 I'm not a proponent at this time for this. So 326 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:21,440 » do you want us to take these peace meal um 327 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,000 for the record? >> Any changes that you make to the budget, 328 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:28,960 you'll have to do a motion on each item. >> So for instance, treasurer reducing 329 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,520 supplies. >> No, you can do this in one. 330 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,520 » Okay. >> Yeah. So, should I do the reductions and 331 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:41,559 then if we do if somebody wants to make a motion on moving 60,000 to the 332 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:41,559 ambulance do that separately 333 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:50,480 have to do? >> Does that make sense? 334 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:55,919 » Well, give me a minute to think about this. Okay. 335 00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:59,600 » Well, what's wrong with making a motion on this handout? Just say make this 336 00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:01,919 handout a >> Yeah, 337 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,080 » that's my question. Incorporate that into the budget. 338 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,120 » That's my question. >> In writing. Yeah. 339 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,960 » Well, and then I I will I'll have it in the minutes like this. So, 340 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:17,279 » Sure. Okay. Well, if we're going to do one felt swoop on this, um, then I would 341 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:20,919 take public input on what Commissioner Atten has presented. 342 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,159 Is there public input on what Commissioner Aten presented? 343 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:35,840 If not, is there a motion? >> I would so move, Madam Chair. 344 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:40,799 » Thank you. Is there a second? >> I will second. 345 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:44,799 And so just to clarify the motion, it's to reduce 346 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:51,360 uh what's on the sheet by the amounts indicated, leave all the other economic 347 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:56,480 assistance at the 2026 levels and then move that savings to an ambulance uh 348 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,840 line item that would be under other economic assistance 349 00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:03,279 » or wherever I need to put it within the general budget 350 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:08,720 » or wherever Sherry needs to put it to be in compliance with what she needs to do. 351 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:11,760 Is that your motion, Commissioner Atten? >> Yes, that's my second. 352 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:13,679 » Or that's your second. So, Commissioner Schmidt, is that your motion? 353 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,320 » Yes. >> Commissioner Atten, that's your second. 354 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,520 Y >> um Alicia, will you call the role? 355 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:27,279 » Commissioner Putnham, >> I guess I don't quite understand it all. 356 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,559 Are we voting on this to give it to them or what are we doing? 357 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,880 » Voting to put it in the budget. >> I restated the motion. So, that is the 358 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,600 motion. Do you need it restated, Commissioner Putnham? 359 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:42,720 » Well, just restate it then. What did I just ask? Okay. So, the motion, as I 360 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:48,080 understand it, is to reduce the departments by the amounts listed on the 361 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:54,480 sheet that Commissioner Atten gave us, to leave the other economic assistance 362 00:30:50,720 --> 00:31:02,000 levels at the 2026 levels, and to move or add a 60,000 line item 363 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:07,440 for ambulance, services, other under other economic assistance, or whatever 364 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:15,080 line item uh our auditor feels is necessary to remain in compliance. 365 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,080 That's the motion. 366 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:21,039 » And then you're going to do public comment. 367 00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:25,600 » I I did ask for public comment. >> Yep. 368 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,600 » Commissioner Putnham. >> Well, I don't like the idea of moving 369 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:34,000 60,000 over there that isn't even budgeted yet. So, no. 370 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,440 » Schmidt, >> yes. 371 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,559 » Arenss, >> yes. 372 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,240 » Uton, >> hi. 373 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:44,720 » Landing. Yes. Motion carries. All right. Any other commissioners on 374 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:49,200 any other budgeted items on changes that they want to make? 375 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:58,320 Is it appropriate, Madam Chair, to talk about before we begin how our staff has 376 00:31:53,679 --> 00:32:02,480 worked very hard on reducing the budget? >> You you can certainly say whatever you 377 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,240 would like to say. I' I've offered to have department heads come up and 378 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:10,080 address their budget and explain that, but sure. Go ahead. Um, but I would like 379 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:14,000 to stay focused on what we're doing here, which is um, pro approving our 380 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:20,000 budget or not approving. >> Talking about changes from the original 381 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:25,600 budget that various uh, departments have made. For example, the sheriff's 382 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:31,919 part-time wages have gone down. Uh, the jail overtime wages have gone down and 383 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:38,000 jail health insurance has gone down. Our PNZ has gone down. Uh we have had many 384 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:45,600 different changes and when I added all them up that came to over $200,000 worth 385 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:50,240 of actual cuts that our uh staff has made in their operation and their 386 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:56,000 departments and I think that shouldn't go unnoticed. So I would commend them 387 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:59,840 for what they've done. So I just like to make that statement. The other one is I 388 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:05,679 want to talk before we get into the budgets 389 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:11,279 uh before so everybody can understand that this budget process just didn't 390 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:21,600 happen by accident. So when the budget begins back in February 3rd, there has 391 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:27,600 been 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 13 meetings of the budget committee that 392 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:33,120 every budget that is presented by a department head has gone over has been 393 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:38,159 has been uh looked at not only by themselves but by the other department 394 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:42,720 heads. So there's a lot of internal things when this budget is finally 395 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:48,000 prepared. There are a lot of questions that were asked by department heads of 396 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:53,200 each other as to the relevance of the money that they were asking for. So I 397 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:58,240 mean it just isn't that uh they come out of this thing with a wish list. It's a 398 00:33:55,679 --> 00:34:02,720 very serious thing. I commend each department head and I commend our 399 00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:07,760 auditor for how well this thing is has been gleaned through. So when you see 400 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:14,000 these numbers that are in front of us this morning, they have been looked at 401 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:18,159 and relooked at and they're real. So whatever we decide or the commission 402 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:23,200 decides to do with them is another thing. But I just want to commend our 403 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:26,480 audit committee and our auditor for hard work in putting this thing together. 404 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:32,240 Thank you. On July 15th, there was a budget 405 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:38,000 published. And then on July 30th, there was another 406 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:44,639 budget published. And if you look at 407 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:48,960 this is dated now, August 18th. You heard the auditor say what the only 408 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:54,639 changes were. There was a reduction in the HR and then one other line item. And 409 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:59,920 then there's been the ones we've made today, but 410 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:06,720 there may have been some minor reductions in 411 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:13,359 line items contained within the budget, but here's what the numbers state. 412 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:20,720 These are the largest departmental increases in order for the top five from 413 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:27,599 July 15th to July 30th. Sheriff's Office started out at 4.8 414 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:35,000 million and on July 30th it went to 5.5 million. That's an overall increase in 415 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000 621,000. 416 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:46,240 On July 15th, the state's attorney's office started out at 3.2. 417 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:52,880 July 30th, 3.4 139,000. Planning and zoning 445 418 00:35:48,720 --> 00:36:01,480 to 566 that's 120,000. Jail increased by 120,000. 419 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Auditor increased by 57,000. 420 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:14,480 Now what drives some of that? Uh some of that is being driven by the wage study 421 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:21,520 we did. that was that was an input that was not available to us back on uh July 422 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:26,960 15th that was feathered in later on. So 423 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:32,960 you've got person this personnel category 41 424 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:37,920 got salaries overtime part-time wages OASI retirement workers comp and health 425 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:45,599 insurance um and so uh yes 426 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:50,320 some of the department heads made cuts 427 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:57,599 but overall the at least for those five departments 428 00:36:53,839 --> 00:37:02,400 they are an overall increase. And just for those five departments 429 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:09,520 alone, that's a general fund increase of uh if 430 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:14,720 I'm doing my math right, about $1.2 million increase 431 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,815 on that personnel, excuse me, for all departments. For the personnel, excuse 432 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,119 me, for all departments. [sighs] 433 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:28,079 So, um any 434 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:35,200 any um statements that would suggest that the budget is being cut, 435 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:41,839 uh you have to take into consideration 436 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:48,560 that there's almost a 6.3% increase of money coming out of the 437 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:56,560 general fund. uh and going towards these expenditures. 438 00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:01,359 So I would just caution that we be careful about making any 439 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:07,040 assertions that the overall budget is going down. The overall budget is going 440 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:14,720 up, not down. And then additionally, and what I have 441 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:21,040 concern about is we have we're using $11 million out of our reserve fund to help 442 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:28,880 balance our budget and most families don't do that 443 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:37,520 and most businesses don't do that. We're using a lot of money, $11 million 444 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:41,760 to fund. Some of that is for ongoing expenses 445 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:46,240 and some of that is for one-time expenditures. 446 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,680 And my concern about the overall sustainability of a budget in which 447 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:56,480 reserves need to be used to pay for ongoing expenditures. 448 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,880 You wouldn't run a business like that. You definitely wouldn't run your family 449 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,119 budget like that. >> And so 450 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:07,760 » what changes what changes do you want to make to the budget, Commissioner Erands? 451 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,800 » I've made I've tried to make budgets for changes for the last seven years and 452 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,839 they get shot down. >> Well, let's hear them. 453 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,599 » So, okay, 454 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:21,040 » let's go. >> Let's Let's do this. Um, I just want to 455 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:22,960 let you know this probably take about an hour or two. 456 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:26,760 » That's fine. >> Okay. 457 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,760 » Got time. 458 00:39:29,817 --> 00:39:37,480 » [snorts] >> Start on page one, August 18th. It's 459 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,480 page one of 61 460 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,359 under that's the general fund revenues. 461 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:53,680 Page two is the just a continuation of that. Page three, 462 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,680 Board of Commissioners Personnel Services 463 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:06,839 Salaries and wages for next year are scheduled to go up 464 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,839 6.53%. 465 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:19,160 I don't know of anybody in society today who's getting a 6.53% 466 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,160 increase. 467 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:29,520 I don't even know why that was proposed or who put that in here. That is so out 468 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:34,720 of step with what's going on with family budgets today. Why elected county 469 00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:38,720 commissioners need to have a 6.53% 470 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,839 pay raise. >> Commissioner Erenss, you also have 471 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:48,560 Paul's wages in there. >> Okay. But I'm looking at Yeah, I'm 472 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:53,040 looking at personnel services. What page are you on? And wages are all 473 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:59,839 part of that. >> So why are his ser Why are why is his 474 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,920 line item with our line item then? >> Because he's under your budget. 475 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,880 » Okay. >> And that's wages. 476 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:10,960 » Well, I don't think any county employee should be getting a 6.53%. 477 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,040 » No offense, Paul. >> He would be getting a It would be 478 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:24,000 budgeted. All county wages were budgeted for 3% cola and 2.5% step. 479 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:28,640 » Yeah. And it rounds up, it says 6.53% here. That's five. There's a com there's 480 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:33,200 a increase for commissioner wages because what we've historically done is 481 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,920 we take the commissioners or elected officials and we give them the 5.5% 482 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:45,040 for budgeting um increase to match the what we are 483 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:48,800 budgeting for the employees. >> Well the county you asked for the 484 00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:51,839 changes and thank you for the clarification. 485 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:59,000 » What is the change commissioners? Well, the county commissioner should be 486 00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:59,000 flatlined and not receive any increase. 487 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,319 Are you going to make a motion on each page that you're going through? And I 488 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,640 think that's probably what we're going to want to do if these are going to be 489 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:17,040 extensive. So, and I'm writing them down as we go. So, 490 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:22,640 » I move to flatline the commissioner salary for next year. 491 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:27,680 Well, typically before we take motions, we hear public comment. 492 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,640 Is there public comment on what Commissioner Erands proposes? 493 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,880 » Lendon Montgomery, Fairview, South Dakota. I think that is a very prudent 494 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:46,160 suggestion and I'd like to see it passed. 495 00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:51,319 So, you are um any other public comment? 496 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,079 » I appreciate too looking at I'm sorry, Beth Quail, Harrisburg. Um appreciate 497 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,640 looking at the budget and try to cut some items. I would also wonder why we 498 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:09,200 can't see the budget. understand it's online, but here as a meeting and we're 499 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:15,599 the um taxpayers, why don't we have a copy of the budget on the screen that we 500 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:21,440 can see what's going on? Thank you. >> Make that happen. 501 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:23,760 » All right. So, any other public comment? All right, 502 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,680 » Madam Chair, I have a question. >> What's your question? 503 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:32,560 » Well, are we going to vote on every change that Commissioner Eron wants? I 504 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:40,000 would rather have him go through his entire changes to the overall budget and 505 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:44,640 then react to that rather than going uh change by change by change. 506 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:50,480 » I think the way that we should do it is by each um department number and then we 507 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,640 can do it page by page, but >> I don't I think it's too much to keep 508 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,760 track of to talk about it overall. >> Yeah. 509 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,359 » Okay. >> There's some stuff that you may not want 510 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,560 to do. Commissioner Erenss, you were making a motion. Is that your only 511 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,760 motion under the board of commissioners is to uh leave that flat? 512 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,680 » Um >> I second 513 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:15,760 » as the 2026 amount. >> That's the only one on that line item. 514 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,800 » Okay. Well, what other changes do you want to make to that on page three? 515 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,079 » Well, I'm making that motion the way it is. 516 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,760 » All right. So, there has been a motion made. Is there a second? 517 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:31,119 » I second it. Got a motion and a second. Alicia, you'll call the role. 518 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,240 » Commissioner Putnham, >> yes. 519 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,599 » Schmidt, >> no. 520 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,119 » Arens, >> yes. 521 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,119 » Hi. >> Landing? 522 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:43,839 » Yes. Motion carries. Other changes that you'd like to make on 523 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:49,920 the board of commissioners department. >> Go down to the bottom. 524 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:57,280 I see all of these subscriptions on there to the Canton Chamber of Commerce, 525 00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:01,920 the Sou Falls Development Foundation, the Beersford Chamber, the Harrisburg 526 00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:07,440 Chamber, the Lennox Chamber, the Tea Chamber, the Sou Falls Chamber, 527 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:12,040 and then the South Dakota Association of Counties and Niko Dues. 528 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:22,240 And really the question I bring up more of a rhetorical question is 529 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:27,200 why do we just spend money with chambers of commerce? 530 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:33,040 There's other organizations. There's the Lions Club. There's the Rotary. I could 531 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:39,440 go on. There seems to be this belief somehow that government needs to be 532 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:43,920 embedded with the Chamber of Commerce. And I just don't believe 533 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:47,839 that we should be spending government money 534 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:52,480 to these organizations. There's all kinds of organizations we 535 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:57,280 could be involved in, but I want to this thing here, the South Dakota Association 536 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,960 of Counties and Niko Dues, $15,000. 537 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:10,319 And then we send property taxpayer money to the association of counties 538 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:15,680 and then they go up there and they lobby for the things that their board of 539 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:19,359 directors says we should do. But sometimes it's against the interest 540 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:24,240 of taxpayers. So we're using taxpayer money to lobby 541 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:28,720 against taxpayers. Even Ronald Reagan was against taxpayer 542 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:35,680 funded lobbying back in the 80s as president of the United States. Well, 543 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:45,200 it's a good example to follow. So, my motion is to remove spending 544 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:48,319 for all of those organizations on there. >> Is there a second? 545 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,240 » I second it. >> Got a motion and a second. Any 546 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:56,079 discussion, >> Madam Chair? 547 00:46:53,359 --> 00:47:03,760 » Go ahead. So can somebody explain to me then exactly the 548 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:07,680 SDACCC and the NAO dues how that is utilized for the benefit of Lincoln 549 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:11,839 County. >> Commissioner Schmidt, would you like to 550 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:16,560 address that? >> The county association is your voice of 551 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:21,280 county government. It looks out for all of the different things that the state 552 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:26,720 tries to put un unfended mandates that are re that counties have to pay for. I 553 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:31,680 think it's extremely nearsighted not to be a part of that. And the reason your 554 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:36,480 sum is there is because it's based on a per capita basis and because Lincoln 555 00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:40,400 County is the third largest county, one would expect that our dues would be 556 00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:45,040 there. As far as the national association, the counties are concerned. 557 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:51,040 They are the ones that look out for us on a national level. They are the ones 558 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:56,480 that put money aside for counties to do all kinds of things. For example, you 559 00:47:53,040 --> 00:48:01,040 got it may not affect us, but they have a PILT thing which affects the counties 560 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:06,720 in the West River. It may not affect Lincoln County, but overall that one 561 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:11,119 there is the one that provides us with a voice on a national level. So, if you're 562 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,000 going to be a participant, you're going to be a county, you're going to be an 563 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:21,200 isolated island by yourself. And as far as lobbying against each uh something of 564 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:26,319 the taxpayers, I don't think so. I think if you look at this association and the 565 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:30,480 things that they've lobbied against and prevented from happening, it would have 566 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:34,480 cost the taxpayers if we'd have been sitting out there on an island by 567 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:38,960 ourselves. And they said, I'm not arguing about chambers of commerce. 568 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:42,319 That's uh philosophical. But when it comes to belonging to your state 569 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,640 organization and your national organization, I don't know of any other 570 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:51,280 organization that does not want to participate. So I think this is 571 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:57,599 extremely nearsighted on our part. Um, Commissioner Aten, for example, 572 00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:01,119 um, indigent legal services. The Association of County Commissioners 573 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:06,000 lobbyed pretty hard to get the state to take 574 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:10,800 back on um handling some of those appeals so that it the counties weren't 575 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:16,400 having to pay for those appeals. And that was successful. And there is um 576 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:21,599 there is now an indigent services that the state is paying for which was an 577 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:27,920 assistance to the counties and so it did save the taxpayers money and so it is it 578 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:34,400 is definitely a benefit uh to the counties to belong to that. Um, as far 579 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:41,599 as the board making a decision, the board um votes on resolutions and things 580 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:46,720 of that nature to move forward to the entire 581 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:51,440 um congregation of counties when we go and have our meetings and then we sit in 582 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:58,000 an auditorium and we vote and make amendments on different resolutions. So 583 00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:04,160 to say that the uh board of directors makes all these decisions, that's not 584 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:09,599 true. Um, and I agree with Commissioner Schmidt, the chamber. I mean, that is 585 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:16,240 philosophical. I do support spending those those monies um to be part of 586 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:20,720 those things. However, if that's the way this, you know, board wants to go, I'm 587 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:25,520 fine with that. But I can't support removing the association of county 588 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:28,240 commissioners and the uh and the NAO dues. 589 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:32,480 » One other thing I neglected, if you looked at our road and bridge fund, the 590 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:37,359 amount of money that are that we've received from counties have been through 591 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:43,040 lobbying the state legislature continually. And not only that, but our 592 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:47,359 townships have appreciated our efforts as well. So there's any number of 593 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:51,440 things. I mean, I didn't we didn't come prepared to find out all of the 594 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:57,440 different things that come through our lobbying effort or through our joint 595 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:59,680 relationship with the association. So, >> madam chair. 596 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:03,760 » Yep. Go ahead, Commissioner. >> All right. So, that was I was a little 597 00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:07,359 aware of most of that information. A lot of that was um for the other 598 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:12,319 commissioners and the audience of what they do. I think being the only one that 599 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:15,599 has served in Pier, um I do know the worth and the value of what they do 600 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:20,160 bring to the state capital and advocating for counties. Um they've 601 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,559 advocated for my bills and they've killed my bills. So, uh they do pretty 602 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:29,119 good work up there. I will not be supporting this motion. 603 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:34,000 » Thank you. If there's no further discussion, Alicia, we call the 604 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:39,200 » I I would like to weigh in on this. >> Go ahead, Commissioner. 605 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:47,640 » Have time here. Um, I concur somewhat with Commissioner 606 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,640 Smith on this deal, but 607 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:57,440 is this something that we can take off and then 608 00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:00,400 next year we can talk about it >> we have a new commission? 609 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:06,240 » We're h we're having our budget discussion and setting the budget for 610 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:11,839 the next commission right now. Well, I guess I would be 611 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:16,079 to taken everything off except maybe that then. 612 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,640 » Okay. Well, we're just voting on the motion that Commissioner Arens made and 613 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,520 that you seconded. >> Okay. I second it then. We take it all 614 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:28,000 off. >> He I mean he can make a motion to amend 615 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:31,839 the main motion and that's what it sounds like you were trying to do. 616 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:38,160 » There you go. You're so smart. >> So, you'd like to make a motion to amend 617 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:42,559 and take off all the chambers and then leave the SDACC and NO dues on there. 618 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,599 » Seven. >> Yep. If they're if they're doing us a 619 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:54,480 good job. >> Now, Commissioner Smith did say that 620 00:52:50,480 --> 00:53:00,240 they lobbyed for the bridges, roads and bridges, the state, but that 621 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,240 actually to me shouldn't be nothing need to be lobbied on. That should be a given 622 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:08,880 that we have to take care of our roads and our bridges and the state should be 623 00:53:07,921 --> 00:53:11,280 [clears throat] taken care of us. >> Is there a second to the motion? 624 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:16,880 » Second. >> I got a motion to amend and a second. 625 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,359 Alicia, we call the role on the amendment. 626 00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,119 » Commissioner Putnham. >> Yes. 627 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,359 » Schmidt. >> And the motion calls for 628 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,960 » keeping >> keeping on the association. 629 00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:31,520 Get rid of the rest. >> Yes. 630 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,280 Erands, >> yes. 631 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:37,240 » Aton, >> nay. 632 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,240 » Landing. 633 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,400 » No. Motion carries. 634 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,400 So, as amended, 635 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,440 we need to vote. 636 00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:01,520 Alicia, we call the roll. >> Commissioner Putnham. 637 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,040 I guess. Yes. >> Schmidt. 638 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,319 » Yes. >> Arens. 639 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:06,079 » Yes. >> Uton. 640 00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:08,400 » Hi. >> Lending. 641 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,880 » Yes. >> Motion carries. 642 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,880 » Oh Jesus. >> My apologies. We'll do that moving 643 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:34,200 forward. All right. All right, Joel, go ahead. 644 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,200 » Have it now. 645 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:44,559 » What's the What page are we on now? >> Well, that's up to Commissioner Erands. 646 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:49,920 He's going through the changes that he wants to make. 647 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:57,359 » Now, the other changes I'm concerned about here are by department. 648 00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:02,640 So can just for simplicity for me if you want to change it by department can we 649 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:08,079 do it if you don't want to do it by page can we do it by maybe personnel and 650 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,640 then other and then capital improvement by 651 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:15,359 » I think yeah I understand what you're saying so for instance we made changes 652 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:19,280 when I look at the department category 411 board of commissioners and we made 653 00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:22,800 those changes >> so 654 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,880 now I'm asking what is the next department. So, for example, on 655 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,599 » next department of states attorney. >> What page is that on? 656 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,079 » Page nine. >> All right. So, then everybody go to page 657 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,319 nine. >> Okay. Gotcha. 658 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:41,400 » And that's department 4151. >> Yep. Okay. 659 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,400 » Go ahead, Commissioner Erenss. 660 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,359 » There was an increase between July 15th and July 30th of 139,000. 661 00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:57,839 Now, their original budget increase to that 3 point, 662 00:55:54,720 --> 00:56:03,200 excuse me, use the wrong one. And what I'm concerned about is the adding of F 663 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:08,160 new FTEES into the county. And that's going to be 664 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,720 my concern with most of these departments. Well, just two, sheriff's 665 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:16,960 department, state's attorney. What I'm concerned about is adding in too many 666 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:22,079 new FTEEs. And so for right now, I want to roll 667 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:28,720 back all those FTEES in the state's attorney's office. We can look at it 668 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:34,400 next year, but my motion is no new FTEEs in state's attorney's office. 669 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:40,160 » Well, okay. So, is there some monetary amount 670 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:44,240 that we can associate with that? Drew, are there FTEEs built? 671 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,359 » And thank you for bringing that up, Commissioner Erenss. I actually had a 672 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:51,760 discussion with commissioner was that yesterday that Tom was reviewing whether 673 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:56,240 those actually were a need and so he was possibly going to be coming before the 674 00:56:53,920 --> 00:57:01,680 commission and asking to cut those out. Um if I may if we could obviously you 675 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:06,079 don't have to pass the budget uh but if we could have some time for us to review 676 00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:10,960 our case load and uh come back to the commission and possibly cut those out at 677 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:15,200 a later meeting. >> Okay, good. Uh, next to the sheriff's 678 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:18,160 department. >> Page. 679 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,280 » Page number. >> Yep. One second, please. 680 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:41,480 20. Thank you. 681 00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:52,920 I did not have page 20. >> Yeah, I see it. 682 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,920 Went too far. 683 00:57:53,839 --> 00:58:02,640 Concerned about the FTEES here as well. I'd like to have a discussion about 684 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:08,799 that. It's a pretty big increase. I can understand 685 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:14,480 increasing deputies, but there's been, if I recall correctly in my notes here, 686 00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:19,760 there's also an increase in corrections officers. Is that correct? 687 00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:22,480 We call them COS. >> Page 20. 688 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,280 » Page 20. >> 20. Okay. 689 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,960 » Good morning, Sheriff. >> Good morning, Steve Spencson, Lincoln 690 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,200 County Sheriff. Okay. So, CO would not be in the sheriff's budget. They'd be in 691 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:38,799 the jail budget. >> Okay. in the jail budget. And how many 692 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:43,000 new COs are contemplated in your budget? >> Two. 693 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000 » Okay. 694 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:50,160 Now, our jail numbers have stayed relatively flat over the course of the 695 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:53,760 last year, if not have probably gone down over the last two years. Right. 696 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:56,799 » Commissioner Ers, are you moving to a different item? Right now, we're on the 697 00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:02,799 sheriff's budget. >> My apologies. I'm on the issue of 698 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:11,640 corrections officers, which I was just informed fall under the jail budget. So, 699 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:11,640 we got to turn actually to page 700 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:19,799 22. Page 22. 701 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:30,760 So we're under department 4212 right now. 702 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:44,319 So just personnel services alone in the jail from last year to this year 703 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:48,839 um are increasing by 64%. They're going from 862,000 704 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,559 to 1.4 4 million 705 00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:02,880 and essentially so that's a 64% increase. I understand the reason for 706 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:08,480 the increase for some of that is current personnel will be receiving 707 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:13,920 um increase in salary wages and benefits. I get that part and that's 708 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:19,680 fine. But what I'm concerned about is adding new FTEES. 709 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:25,760 And so, um, we've decreased our jail numbers or 710 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:32,079 they've stayed relatively flat, but now we're adding more correctional officers. 711 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:36,640 Um, I'd like to get a better understanding of that. 712 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:40,880 » Okay. It's it's it's fairly simple. With the new courthouse being built, uh we're 713 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:47,839 going to be covering more courtrooms, triple the courtrooms, and we have now a 714 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:51,680 control room that we have to uh staff during business hours, which will take 715 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:59,040 up to two people. We have front security. And then we move remove the 716 01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:02,799 redundancy that my office is the sheriff's office people will be 717 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:07,760 separated from the jail people. So, we don't have the the backup with the 718 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:11,920 people in the current office. So, I honestly think two is going to be a 719 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:17,920 stretch to be able to cover all this, but that's our ask is two FTEEs to help 720 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:23,200 cover the additional courtrooms, the control room, uh, and the other 721 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:29,440 functions that we do. We also have the the, uh, sex offender registration, uh, 722 01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:34,160 fingerprinting, pistol permits. They do a a gamut of things, but adding 723 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:39,280 two to to uh cover that new building is probably 724 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:44,640 not enough. >> Now, just mechanically in terms of the 725 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:52,160 actual flow that undergirds the premise of needing more 726 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:57,440 people, what you're saying is the judges are actually going to be processing more 727 01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:02,319 criminal defendants than what they do now. 728 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:09,040 because that's not the case. I mean, the case load is the case load uh the case 729 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:13,760 load today or the case load on on the first week in November is going to be 730 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:18,240 relatively the same as the case load on the third week in November when we're 731 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:23,520 moved into the courthouse. So, in terms of the there won't be an 732 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:27,680 increase in the number of criminal defendants that have to be moved around, 733 01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:32,400 will there? No, but the Well, no and yes. Depends on 734 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:36,559 if who they keep in jail and don't keep in jail. Those numbers traditionally go 735 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:44,040 up. For whatever reason, we've we've stayed flat or even gone down. However, 736 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,040 the the court cases, 737 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:52,319 the the courts here, magistrate, circuit court, uh divorce court, those cases 738 01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:59,040 continually go up and we still have to cover those courtrooms for security. uh 739 01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:03,839 the the but people in jail and the the increase in court doesn't correlate with 740 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,760 the people in jail. So if I if I come here to contest a 741 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:12,640 speeding ticket, we have a deputy in there for security uh sentencing, etc. 742 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:17,920 So if there we've increased the courtrooms, uh I'm assuming we're going 743 01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:20,960 to have to cover those. So the the number of people in jail does not 744 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,440 correlate with the increase in cases because there is an increase in cases 745 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:31,359 and it increases annually. >> I think there is an overall increase in 746 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:37,520 the number of cases. That just goes without saying. Um, my 747 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:43,039 concern here is that the request is not commensurate with the way that we're 748 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:47,119 going to be moving people through the courthouse over there cuz essentially 749 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:52,480 we're going to be moving people through the courthouse over there in terms of 750 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:57,119 numbers the same way that we've moved them through this courthouse. Not true. 751 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:02,880 We have we have a uh we have a control room now that all all movement from for 752 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:08,799 inmates through the court court system and back into the to the holding area 753 01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:15,839 for the thing is is secured and has to be um monitored by the control room 754 01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:20,960 doors opened elevators uh allowed to operate. So that is a is a new task that 755 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,839 we that's been put on us which is going to take a is going to take a person. 756 01:04:23,234 --> 01:04:28,319 [snorts] No, I get that, Sheriff, and I 757 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:34,400 appreciate that. But that's the schematics and the layout, but the 758 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:38,319 number of people won't be increasing. >> I mean, you're going to see general 759 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:41,680 annual increases, >> right? 760 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,680 » But, but you're just cuz we're moving to a new building doesn't mean we have more 761 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:50,319 defendants coming to see us. >> Correct. So, so, so we don't have a 762 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,640 control room in this building, >> right? So we don't have to man that. 763 01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:02,400 There is a control room in the new building. We will have to man that. 764 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:06,160 » And who and who is that being manned by? >> I would call him a court or a 765 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:10,880 corrections officer, courtroom security officer. And we call them cos. 766 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:15,359 » And are we taking that out of Hyde or is that a new FTE position as well? 767 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:19,440 » That would be one of the positions that I need. 768 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:22,160 » Okay. in addition to what I have. We're underst staffed in that area currently 769 01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:29,119 now. >> Yeah. So, we hire one new correctional 770 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:33,839 officer for the control room. I get that part. But the current existing 771 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:38,640 correctional officers that are used to handle defendants in this building will 772 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:44,880 now just instead report to a different building. Right. 773 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:53,000 » Correct. And so their numbers would we we is that why you're why do you need 774 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:53,000 the second correctional officer though? 775 01:05:53,039 --> 01:06:00,079 Okay. There's going to be some redundancies 776 01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:07,599 if this if this control room co is sick vacation it has to be manned. I mean, 777 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:12,000 I'm I'm trying to simplify it to to but but I and plus we have an additional 778 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:17,359 what is there four courtrooms an additional four courtrooms. So if 779 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:22,160 clearly the judges are anticipating the courts being busier. So if if now we 780 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:27,440 have two courts in session versus typically the one or or two but now we 781 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:35,200 have two or three. Again each courtroom requires security. 782 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:40,880 So essentially because of this new control room concept, in order to make 783 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:46,000 this thing work, because of that building design over there, we're stuck 784 01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:49,839 with having to hire two new correctional officers. Is that what I'm hearing? 785 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,839 » That's what you're hearing. >> Okay. 786 01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:02,960 And I thought this $54 million building was going to help solve problems. 787 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:07,599 Now it's just creating more more. It's actually creating more spending. I think 788 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:10,640 it does help with some problems. Don't get me wrong. 789 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:15,039 » It it's going to be a much safer building than we currently have. 790 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,520 » So the control room is a big part of that. 791 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:20,079 » Any other cuts or questions that you want on the jail budget? Commissioner 792 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,280 Ers. >> Oh, that was the two that was that was 793 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,440 the issue. >> Okay. 794 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:29,280 » That was the correctional officer issue. I guess I got the answers. I obviously 795 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:33,119 don't like them, but I understand it now. Thank you. 796 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:37,440 » No, and I appreciate that. >> Next department. 797 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,920 » Well, we got the sheriff's office up there, so let's just keep going with the 798 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:44,559 sheriff. >> All right, so we're going to backtrack 799 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,559 to page 20. 800 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,920 » Okay, 801 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:59,839 » so pretty big. How many new FTEEs are you asking in the sheriff's office and 802 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:05,200 what kind are they? >> We're asking for two deputy positions 803 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:08,720 and a administrative assistant. The reasoning for the administrative 804 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:13,280 assistant is because we're losing an administrative assistant to the new 805 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:18,960 building who who takes care all the jail admin 806 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:24,400 paperwork. Uh which is going to create us not having 807 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:32,319 staff to cover the front desk. Now, we can cover that front desk with a 808 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:37,199 deputy at lunch or if we have a uh our our administrative assistant is out 809 01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:43,960 on leave, we can we can cover it with a with with a uniform person. It's not 810 01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:43,960 ideal. Um 811 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:51,600 » Commissioner Erenss, when you're looking at um Sheriff Swinson's budget for the 812 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:58,080 the biggest part of the salary increase is going to be the pay study. Yeah, I I 813 01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:04,159 get it. I I And like I said, I understand that part. That's been 814 01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:08,159 resolved. What I'm talk, you know, when you have a family, you talk about 815 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:13,520 the mouths you're going to feed before you talk about the new ones. 816 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:20,239 And I want to talk about the new ones. Um 817 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:25,440 the administrative assistant. So, walk me through how this administrative 818 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:30,159 assistant needs to be used over in this new courthouse. 819 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:36,159 So, so they do all the morning bookings, uh, uh, the billing for Mia County, the, 820 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:42,400 uh, 24/7, uh, accounting, the, uh, 821 01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:48,719 electronic monitor accounting, uh, reconcile accounts. 822 01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:55,360 in in the age of like computers and the internet and all of that people working 823 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:59,440 remotely can't this person just do their current functions that they serve over 824 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:03,760 here you know in term with the exception of 825 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:08,000 an you know somebody walking up to the front door with the exception of that 826 01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:13,199 which is a you know you got to be there physically they can continue to do all 827 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:19,920 the same things they're doing here with the exception of greeting people over in 828 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:23,120 a different location, right? >> Are if you're asking if the jail 829 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,280 administrator could stay in this building and and cover the front, 830 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,600 » they could do it from the new building, right? 831 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,840 » That's what we're doing. >> But then why do you need a new one? Why 832 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,960 do you need another administrative assistant? 833 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:42,880 » Because of the the foot traffic we get into the sheriff's office. Uh they do 834 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:47,440 so the administrative assistant for the sheriff's office does all the 835 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:53,920 bookkeeping, paying bills, uh answering phones. So and and I'm okay with not not 836 01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:58,480 adding a second one if it's if it's a a budget critical item. However, it is 837 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,719 going to have to be backfilled by someone which will be a unformed member 838 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:10,360 of the sheriff's office. When you say back filled, 839 01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:10,360 you mean eight hours a day? 840 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,679 There's going to it's on a day-to-day basis, it would not be 8 hours a day. 841 01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:18,320 » Okay. >> But it's going to be a few hours a day 842 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:23,199 because there's no way one administrative assistant can handle all 843 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:26,640 the traffic that comes into this office uh by by themselves. 844 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:32,960 » Yeah. I don't like the idea of uniform personnel who ostensibly are going to be 845 01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:37,520 Well, is that uniform person conducting patrol? 846 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:41,840 » Very well could be. >> Okay. So, it's a it's a sheriff's 847 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,760 deputy, >> correct? 848 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:48,400 » Back fill it. >> Okay. 849 01:11:45,364 --> 01:11:54,960 [sighs] I just I've got concern that the new building is not resolving some of 850 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:58,560 these financial challenges. Um, and then there's a request for what? 851 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,040 Two new patrol deputies. >> Correct. 852 01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:04,000 » Okay. And what's the rationale behind that? 853 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:08,600 » Just the the continued increase in calls for service, population growth. 854 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:20,400 » Well, my motion would be to reduce a a uh 855 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:24,320 administrative assistant for now. Let's see how it works out. give it a few 856 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:29,880 months with the transition to the new building and we can always come back to 857 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,880 it. 858 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:39,600 » Do you want to address that? >> And I'm okay with that. It's I I think 859 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,960 it's going to be glaring glaringly obvious, but I'm I'm okay with that. I 860 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,520 mean, we we're moving in before the end of the year. Um, I I have no issue 861 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,159 coming back after we give it a couple months 862 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:55,159 or not coming back. Maybe it works out great. 863 01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:00,840 » Other commissioners have questions for our sheriff. 864 01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:10,400 » Right. Any other items on uh under department 4211? Commissioner Erenss? 865 01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:16,560 » Nope. That's it. >> Okay. Anybody else? 866 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:21,760 All right. Any public input on the 4211 budget? 867 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:24,800 » Do we have a second? >> Well, I usually take public 868 01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:29,040 motions. >> Okay. 869 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:32,159 » All right. If not, um, is there a motion? 870 01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:37,920 » Motion is to remove the administrative assistant from the sheriff's budget. 871 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:41,679 » We need a dollar amount. No. Okay. >> I second. 872 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:44,719 » Got a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Madam Chair, 873 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:49,120 » go ahead, Commissioner. >> So, I am I'm probably not going to 874 01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:53,520 support this one either. I'm a little concerned with what uh the sheriff had 875 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:57,679 to how he had described that this is going to be handled and by taking a law 876 01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:02,239 enforcement officer off of the streets. I don't know if that uh really benefits 877 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:07,840 Lincoln County at all, especially when we're adding two new deputies because of 878 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:14,640 the need. So, um I'm not going to support it. 879 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:20,320 Other discussion? I agree with you, Commissioner Aten. Um, 880 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:26,320 our sheriff has done a lot to bring in different revenues 881 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:29,520 um to his department. He has taken cuts when he if he doesn't need something, he 882 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:33,600 gets rid of it. But when he needs something, I really truly believe that 883 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:38,640 he's telling us he needs it. And so, I'm not going to support removing that from 884 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:44,719 his budget. Madam Chair, we all remember when all 885 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:50,159 department heads came in and gave their report on their department and what they 886 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:55,679 were doing. And for anybody that was listening to our sheriff and what he has 887 01:14:52,800 --> 01:15:00,560 accomplished in the past year since he's taken over has been remarkable. I've 888 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:05,520 never known him to ask for anything more than what he ever needed. and as to 889 01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:10,239 support your statement, Madame Chair, if he doesn't need it, he doesn't ask for 890 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:14,159 it. So, I will not be supporting that at all. 891 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,800 » Alicia, will you call the role? >> No, I'd like to speak then to 892 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,080 » Go ahead. >> Okay. 893 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:26,719 Um, I believe that if we wait for just a 894 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:32,719 little bit and like he said, maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but 895 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:36,719 um, let's just try to make things work for a little 896 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:41,840 bit. So, I'm I'm I would support it. 897 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,480 » Alicia, will you call the role? >> Commissioner Putnham, 898 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,760 » yes. >> Schmidt, 899 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,440 » no. >> Arens, 900 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:48,880 » yes. Autton. >> Nay. 901 01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:54,080 » Lindy. >> No. Motion fails. 902 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,320 Next items you'd like to discuss if you can go by department. Commissioner 903 01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:01,520 Arens. >> There's uh 904 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:06,719 there's a department run by planning and zoning, but it's not 905 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:14,159 in the planning and zoning budget. I believe that it's uh run by the uh we 906 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:22,880 had the presentation from the gentleman who runs our GIS department 907 01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:27,640 » and what was contained in there was a >> you want to find that for us? 908 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,640 » Yeah. 909 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:38,159 17 >> 17 910 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:41,400 » page 17. >> Oh, sorry. 911 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,040 » Do you want flood plane management or GIS? Commissioner, 912 01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:51,600 » it's a flood plane management. >> That's page 25. 913 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:57,679 » What is >> that's department 4223 914 01:16:53,760 --> 01:17:01,880 » and in flood plane 25. Page 25. >> Okay. All right, 915 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,880 » I'll let you get there. 916 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:07,840 » Gotcha. Just let me know when you get there. 917 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:13,440 » All right, good to go. >> Cuz I think one of my pages was in here 918 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:21,040 backwards, too. In flood plane management, 919 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:27,679 there's a $100,000 line item in there. And when our GIS flood plane manager was 920 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:32,000 in here, um I asked him, "What's that $100,000 for?" 921 01:17:31,208 --> 01:17:38,719 [clears throat] And his his belief was that there is no 922 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:43,040 specific uh flood plane management project under 923 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:50,960 consideration. He didn't have any ideas um uh at the 924 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:55,600 present for where that would be used. and he's also new to the department. So 925 01:17:53,679 --> 01:18:02,480 he said that was a holdover from last year. As you can see, there wasund 926 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:09,040 $100,000 put into fees and contracts in 2026. None of it was used. It's now been 927 01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:14,560 requested for 2027, but there's no identified project. And 928 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:20,400 so I think at this time until and unless there is an identified project 929 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:26,400 uh for flood plane management we should remove that from the budget. So my 930 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:31,520 motion is now of course allow for >> Commissioner Erons. Do you 931 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:35,360 » I think those numbers are typically in there for like 932 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:40,400 I don't know when they do their programming updates and stuff but if we 933 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:45,360 don't I does anybody know the answer to that? No. 934 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:51,600 » It wasn't used last year. >> Right. I see that. and uh and our flood 935 01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:56,480 plane manager stated that there is no identified 936 01:18:53,920 --> 01:19:03,600 project. There's no use for the money. >> So uh is any other questions that other 937 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:12,239 commissioners have right now? I would uh concur on this the fact that um 938 01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:17,920 my thoughts is if there is a problem they come to commission and just ask for 939 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:21,520 some money you know at a later date in 27 940 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:25,760 » so they don't need to be in here. >> Is there any public input? Is that the 941 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:31,560 only one on this department? >> Yes. 942 01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:31,560 » Okay. Any public input on the item? 943 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:39,760 If not, is there a motion? >> Motion is to remove the 100,000. 944 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:45,560 » I second it. >> All right, I've got a motion and a 945 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:45,560 second. Any further discussion? 946 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,239 If not, Alicia, we call the role. >> Commissioner Putnham, 947 01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:51,520 » yes. >> Schmidt, 948 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,719 » yes. >> Arens, 949 01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:54,480 » yes. >> Auton. Hi. 950 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,960 » Landing. >> Yes. Motion carries. 951 01:19:57,275 --> 01:20:01,600 » [clears throat] >> Next department, Commissioner Erenss, 952 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:06,239 that you want to go through. >> Planning and zoning. 953 01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:08,159 » Got a page number. >> That was 36. 954 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:13,440 » Yeah. >> Is that 17? I 955 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:16,440 » think it's 36. 37. 36. 36. >> 36. 956 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,560 » Okay. 957 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:28,920 » Go ahead. We are in department 4711. 958 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:39,960 » Now again goes back to this issue of I think there's some increase in here 959 01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,960 because of 960 01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:46,880 uh salaries and wages and I don't know is 961 01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:48,880 there anybody from planning and zoning here right now? 962 01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:51,760 » I guess >> what is it you needed to know? 963 01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:55,520 » Not currently. What what is the issue that you want to look at? Well, the 964 01:20:52,880 --> 01:21:00,400 issue is there's almost $120,000 increase from July 15th to July 30th. 965 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:04,719 And I want to know why. >> Commissioner, um I did just get a 966 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:09,760 message. He might be on the phone, but uh director uh Toby Brown said that he's 967 01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:14,320 not requesting an FTE. So, the increase on the August 19th report is 19,000. 968 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,000 » Okay. >> So, he took out that FTE request. And 969 01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:24,000 has that been ref and I assume but I better ask is that reflected in the 970 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,480 August 18 in the version we have in front of us now. 971 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:33,520 » It looks like it because it looks like the increase is 19,211 972 01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:36,159 » cuz and I guess when [clears throat] 973 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:41,120 earlier when the auditor was speaking she said the only and I mean I get it 974 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:46,880 there's lots of moving parts. The only difference between the published version 975 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:53,679 and this was something for uh reduction in the HR and one other thing, 976 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:58,080 » but I'm going to assume that uh Toby removed that request then 977 01:21:56,639 --> 01:22:02,320 » there is there's currently no request for a full-time employee. 978 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:08,960 » Okay. There was previously though. Right. Well, I I don't have one listed, 979 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:12,960 but the problem with the personnel is we if you're going from the 15th to the 980 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:18,480 30th to the day, there was calculation errors and then we came in, we did the 981 01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:24,880 uh wage study and then so the personnel is kind of a harder one to nail down to 982 01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:29,520 what it is. But I have not shown uh requests for personnel and planning 983 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,960 zone. But Drew, you're saying that Toby 984 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,960 removed that though. >> And I just got again, he must be in a 985 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:40,560 meeting. He's messaging me. Uh he said there was never request. It must have 986 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:46,560 been a calculation error of some kind that was corrected. 987 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:50,719 » Okay. Well, that's good then. $120,000 increase taken care of there. 988 01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:53,360 » All right. Any other thing under planning and zoning, Commissioner, that 989 01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:57,840 you want to talk about? >> Yeah, in the auditor's office, there was 990 01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:00,239 this increase of $57,000. I'm just looking at planning and zoning. Anything 991 01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:03,199 there? >> Nothing further in planning and zoning. 992 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,480 » Okay. So, now you want to move to auditor. 993 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,920 » Yep. >> Okay. 994 01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:10,880 » What number? What page number? >> We got to go backwards. 995 01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:14,120 » Got to go towards the front. >> Way back. 996 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:28,960 » So, are you talking elections or are you talking auditor? 997 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:32,320 Well, talking the auditor, not the elections. Seven. 998 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:36,159 » Page seven. >> Page seven. 999 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:40,239 » Now, we have the auditor here. Maybe she can answer this. This increase from the 1000 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:44,159 15th to the 30th. >> So, we're in department 4141. 1001 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,360 » Yeah. Um, >> page number is 1002 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:51,280 » page seven. >> And again, goes to the same question. 1003 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:57,520 There's this increase from the 15th to the 30th of 57,000. 1004 01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:01,120 Is that all attributed to the uh pay increase the the wage study? 1005 01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:08,600 » Yep. No, no employees. >> Okay. Thank you. That answers that 1006 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:08,600 question. Thank you. Appreciate it. 1007 01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:13,239 Next issue. Road and bridge fund 1008 01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,840 page 39. 1009 01:24:21,898 --> 01:24:27,520 » [cough] >> I think we need to remove those two 1010 01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:34,800 projects, the roundabout plan for Western and uh remove the project down 1011 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:37,760 south there by Hudson on the curve. That's my motion. 1012 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:42,080 » Can you give me the dollar amounts for those? 1013 01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:49,920 » I do not have the dollar amounts. I think it may be subsumed within the 1014 01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:55,360 line item of road projects, but I can't confirm that. I'm just I 1015 01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:58,480 have the same same line item as you in front of you 1016 01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:01,840 » for that one not being a employee that I can remove. I would need to know what 1017 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:05,440 the dollar amount is you'd like to remove, 1018 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:10,000 please. >> Well, seemed like they talked like a 1019 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,280 million bucks. Well, we we need to come back for our state's attorney on 1020 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:16,480 something. So, if we need to circle back on roads and bridges to get those 1021 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:20,320 numbers, um that might be the more prudent thing 1022 01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:25,960 to do today. >> Terry, Madam Chair, 1023 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,960 » Terry, do you want to come up? 1024 01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:35,960 T flight highway superintendent. [clears throat] 1025 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,960 Uh the Hudson project will be 1.1 1026 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:43,360 and the uh Western Avenue is 2.5. >> Thank you. Terry 1027 01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:49,040 » Terry was there. >> Now also in if you're going to remove 1028 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:54,560 the Western one, you'll be removing 1.5 out of my revenue side. 1029 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:57,679 » Okay. Cuz that's a cost share, right? Yes. 1030 01:25:55,199 --> 01:26:00,000 » So, can you repeat those? 1.1 was for which one, Terry? 1031 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:03,840 » That's for the Hudson project. >> Okay. 1032 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:08,639 » Say Terry, was that to pull out both sides of the curves or just one side? 1033 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:13,280 » Both sides. It's making it a straight T intersection. 1034 01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:16,320 » And then the 2.5 was Western Avenue. >> Correct. 1035 01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:20,719 » So, Western Avenue actually when you take your revenue out, it's about a 1036 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:24,600 million dollars. >> Correct. Okay. 1037 01:26:26,349 --> 01:26:28,369 » [sighs] 1038 01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:36,000 » Thank you. >> I would um 1039 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:40,800 I guess if I'll maybe I'll wait well I'll wait to see if you uh vote to cut 1040 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:46,320 that before I make another request. Madam Chair, Terry, 1041 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:52,000 so to revisit the Hudson interchange down there. I know I talked to you about 1042 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:58,239 this a little bit too and uh you had mentioned about doing this and then a 1043 01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:01,920 continuation of the highway and rebuild that at some point in time. Can you tie 1044 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:08,400 that together? >> Yeah. So, so initially we wanted to do a 1045 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:13,199 a full rebuild on that 3 and 1/2 mile stretch which would include that north 1046 01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:18,480 intersection going all the way down past the ethanol plant um and then connecting 1047 01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:23,440 to Highway 46. That would be that was you know and this has been in our 1048 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:29,520 fiveyear for five years. Six years we've been planning to do this as as a whole 1049 01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:35,920 project. Um, initially when we started this project on that, we were looking at 1050 01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:40,719 about $5.5 million to rebuild uh that three and a half mile stretch. Well, the 1051 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:45,280 further we get into it, costs are raising. We're looking this is more that 1052 01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:50,480 whole that whole stretch 3 and a half mile rebuild on that is going to be 1053 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:57,760 probably closer to eight 8 to$9 million now. So, this here would probably be 1054 01:27:53,840 --> 01:28:02,560 phase one of that. Um, and again, if it doesn't happen, then it gets pushed off 1055 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:09,040 and maybe and again, I don't maybe it doesn't happen. Um, I know the 1056 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:13,360 the the the mainline stretch uh between that intersection and the south 1057 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:19,280 intersection. Again, we had uh probably about six or seven years ago, um, we had 1058 01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:22,719 core samples done and and the reason our asphalt isn't lasting down there is 1059 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:27,679 there's nothing underneath for base under that. So, uh, we figure a full 1060 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:34,159 rebuild is the best we can do, especially with all the heavy trucks 1061 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:38,000 down there. Um, so, you know, eventually it would be nice to do do a project down 1062 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:43,040 there. Again, you know, this this would be phase one. Uh, maybe be a couple more 1063 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:47,440 years before we could do phase two, which would maybe be doing from the 1064 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:53,920 intersection down to the ethanol plant. And then phase three would be from the 1065 01:28:49,120 --> 01:29:00,159 ethanol plant to 46 or something. um just to spread it out over the years. Um 1066 01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:04,159 but again, it all depends, you know, and and if it doesn't happen, it doesn't 1067 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:09,520 happen. Like I said, one of one of the big reasons that this this project got 1068 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:15,040 moved up is we we we saw that we could use it as phase one in this overall 1069 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:18,320 project, but also uh just the complaints or not the complaints, but just the the 1070 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:24,639 the uh the public comments we got on our 1071 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:28,880 safety plan uh with that intersection. and and being that, you know, in my 1072 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:34,800 eyes, you know, if we want to if we want to say we're going to move towards being 1073 01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:39,120 building safer roads, then we need to to be doing something with that instead of 1074 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:43,360 just having this nice beautiful plan and just putting it on a shelf and not doing 1075 01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:49,520 anything with it. So, >> so 1076 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:53,360 the direction what from what direction does the heaviest 1077 01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:57,440 amount of traffic come from? Does it go through that intersection or is that 1078 01:29:55,120 --> 01:30:02,080 coming up south? >> I think most of it uh I don't know. I 1079 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:06,000 would have to look at counts, but my guess it's going to be coming from the 1080 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:10,880 Hudson area going south would be the heaviest counts. 1081 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:15,920 » So, >> but but but the last three years, you 1082 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:20,560 know, that that's all up in the because we we have so much traffic coming from 1083 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:26,960 the west as well uh because 46 is closed. But 1084 01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:32,480 » so five years ago that project was estimated at 5.5 million. Just so I got 1085 01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:36,080 my numbers right. Today it would >> Yes. The whole thing would be 5.5. Today 1086 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:39,840 we're looking at eight. >> Probably closer to that. Yeah. And maybe 1087 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:44,000 even more for a full rebuild on three and a half miles. 1088 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:48,000 » Okay. And that's my >> and that would include that intersection 1089 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:53,120 doing mainline and then that would include the south curve um south of the 1090 01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:59,199 ethanol plant where it curves back to to go back to the west. So 1091 01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:04,320 » I'll save the rest of it for comments to the motion. 1092 01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:09,840 » All right. Uh first if there's no other questions from commissioners for staff, 1093 01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:17,239 is there any public input on the road and bridge um fund 1094 01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:17,239 department 4311? 1095 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:27,920 All right. If not, is there a motion? My motion is to remove the $1.1 million for 1096 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:35,520 the Hudson project and the $2.5 million for the Western Avenue project and 1097 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:41,520 subsequently remove the 1.5 in revenue because comes from a cost 1098 01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:45,040 share with the Western project. >> All right. Is there a second? 1099 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:50,159 » I'll second. >> Got a motion and a second. further 1100 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:53,920 discussion from the commission. >> I've had a number of people from down 1101 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:58,639 south come and talk to me about this. They've talked about how it's been down 1102 01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:04,159 there for 70 years. Uh after looking into the safety issues, what were uh I I 1103 01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:09,440 asked the question and never got an answer to this is was it operator error 1104 01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:14,159 or was it road design? 1105 01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:19,600 And in particular, if there was a fatality or a crash there, was it a 1106 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:25,760 result of drunk driving? And I've just had local people tell me 1107 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:33,520 that they believe it was a result of operator error, i.e. drunk driving. 1108 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:39,440 We don't redesign roads because people are inebriated or intoxicated. We have 1109 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:44,239 to take those people off the road. We have to make it very painful to be a 1110 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:48,874 drunk driver. That is not something this commission 1111 01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:52,960 can do. All we can do is advocate [clears throat] that the legislature 1112 01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:58,480 makes it more difficult to drink and drive. And I've talked to our state's 1113 01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:03,840 attorney about this issue as far as the intoxicated driving goes. Now, with 1114 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:11,199 regard to the road design, there's no data showing that the road design 1115 01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:16,639 is making it more unsafe. And then that combined with locals down 1116 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:23,360 there, one of them is on serves on our planning and zoning board telling me 1117 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:27,840 that that is not the issue down there. There's an issue with increased traffic 1118 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:33,199 coming from from the Iowa side of the border. And so 1119 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:38,239 the locals down there understand it. They get it. They've made comments to me 1120 01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:42,840 and they've asked me to carry this for them. So that's what I'm doing. 1121 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,719 » Other commission >> I would 1122 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,480 » discussion >> say something here when I can 1123 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:59,679 » go ahead. >> Okay. The when you're heading north and 1124 01:33:54,800 --> 01:34:04,000 you're uh curving off to the right, I can see that that's no problem 1125 01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:08,159 whatsoever. It's the curving off to the left 1126 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:14,639 which would be maybe if anything a problem and that would be the only thing 1127 01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:17,639 that could be looked at future but not nowad 1128 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:27,440 » uh commissioner go ahead. So I think my first conversation of the 1129 01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:33,040 price increase of that over the last five years is part of the dilemma of how 1130 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:39,280 how far we push a road project or any project off due to the rising cost to 1131 01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:42,480 complete the project later. I've been down there and also looked at it and I 1132 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:47,120 would agree with Commissioner Putnham that if you're heading north, the right 1133 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:50,800 hand turn is probably less dangerous than the left. I mean, when you got corn 1134 01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:54,560 up there, it's there's not a lot of visibility and it has nothing to do with 1135 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:58,000 drunk drivers and and ultimately it doesn't matter if the traffic is coming 1136 01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:04,239 from Iowa, South Dakota, Minnesota, or New York. Traffic's still on a Lincoln 1137 01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:09,920 County road. So, um, I could support 1138 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:13,679 not doing the roundabout, but I don't think I can support not start working on 1139 01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:17,440 that road down there because it's not going to get any better. And if you go 1140 01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:21,440 down past poet and stuff down there, there might be an opportunity to work 1141 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:25,679 with them on on that. But at some point in time, you you have to bite the bullet 1142 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:29,679 and you have to do the repairs. The road's going to go sooner or later. So, 1143 01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:35,600 um [snorts] I will not support the main motion. If a 1144 01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:38,080 follow up follow motion comes up with the roundabout, 1145 01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:42,480 » I would support that. >> I withdraw the motion. Make a new 1146 01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:47,280 motion. Commissioner Putnham, will you withdraw your second? Yes, I will. 1147 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:53,600 » New motion is to just remove the roundabout project and any associated 1148 01:35:50,159 --> 01:36:00,239 cost and revenue that come with it. So, $2.5 million expense from the 1149 01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:04,639 roundabout and then 1.5 in revenue and I move to remove that from the budget. 1150 01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:11,440 » I've got a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second that, I guess. 1151 01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:16,639 » Motion and second. Any discussion, >> Madam Chair? Go ahead. 1152 01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:23,120 » Well, when this first became public about that 1153 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:27,199 we were not going to participate in this roundabout, 1154 01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:32,400 there are about 11,000 cars a day that go through there. And I don't know, but 1155 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:37,679 I've had I can't tell you how many phone calls 1156 01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:42,080 from people who are very upset because, you know, sitting in traffic all of the 1157 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:47,360 time. This is a joint project, a nice joint project between the city and a 1158 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:53,440 limited amount from Harrisburg and from the county. And when you look at the 1159 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:58,320 future, I know we've had an attempt at a previous time to figure out how many 1160 01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:03,920 people are going to use the Veterans Highway. We have no quantifiable 1161 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:09,119 evidence as to how many of those 11,000 cars a day are suddenly going to be on 1162 01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:14,719 the Veterans Highway. There will be some. But on the other hand, when you 1163 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:19,280 look at the future of that area, when you look at that corridor on 106, and 1164 01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:25,440 you don't think that there's going to be an everinccreasing number of people out 1165 01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:30,960 there, our cars because of growth from commercial development, from uh uh 1166 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:36,719 housing development that comes out there, and look at that, and we're going 1167 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:42,080 to have a four-way stop sign. I mean, how long of of a line do we want to 1168 01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:47,040 have? It's a very efficient one. It's a good way to move traffic. It's a safe 1169 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:53,600 way. And I think again, we're not looking at the future at all about what 1170 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:59,840 how this will affect the growth, economic development, and safety. So, 1171 01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:03,600 I'm not in support of not building that. >> And I would agree with you, Commissioner 1172 01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:08,320 Schmidt. when you do the net and you take the revenue off, the cost of this 1173 01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:12,719 project right now is essentially $1 million. That intersection is a mess 1174 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:20,080 down there. >> Um because coming off of Veterans to get 1175 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:26,080 on to 106. Um the lane changes are confusing to say the least. The corner 1176 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:29,440 keeps getting what I'll say washed out. I don't 1177 01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:31,679 » I don't It's just a mess. when I go down there in my opinion 1178 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:34,000 » I don't know how many times they've replaced 1179 01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:38,239 » so I think for a million dollars and seeing that the city of Sou Falls isn't 1180 01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:43,920 going to be doing anything there um for what I recall was the foreseeable 20 1181 01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:47,440 years um I think we would be remissed to not do that project 1182 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:51,520 » so I'm not going to support the motion either 1183 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,800 » I've traveled Can may I speak >> you may 1184 01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:57,920 » yeah go ahead >> okay I've traveled that road many times 1185 01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:03,040 I'm not that far from it and it's amazing how well 1186 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:09,440 that they get through that stop sign. It's very very coordinated. 1187 01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:15,119 Uh people move pretty fast. Now, the only other thing I could say is taking 1188 01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:20,239 the stop signs away in the east and west and leave the one to the north and the 1189 01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:25,040 south. And somebody said, "Well, you never get on it." Well, I've been backed 1190 01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:30,800 up on the west side going when I was going 1191 01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:37,040 east past the Oh, the roundabout. No. Well, not the 1192 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:42,320 roundabout, but you go up there and you see all the storage units. I've been 1193 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:47,600 backed up to where I was behind the storage units. And it took me about 1194 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:52,800 probably I'd say less than a couple three minutes, four minutes to be up to 1195 01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:56,520 the stop sign and moving, you know. Um 1196 01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,199 I just 1197 01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:12,159 you know what's the what is the speed limit there? It's 45. 1198 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:20,239 Is that correct? Yeah. See? And that's not bad. If they put the stop sign there 1199 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:26,639 or took took the two stop line signs out, people would move more 1200 01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:32,560 freely, better. And I believe the people coming off the Parkway or the Veterans 1201 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:39,760 Parkway will be able to get on. And besides that, once the Veterans Parkway 1202 01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:45,000 is done, then we don't have that issue. And we don't need the stop sign going 1203 01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:45,000 east and west. 1204 01:40:46,639 --> 01:40:50,239 » Madam Chair, >> any further discussion? 1205 01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:55,840 » Madam Chair, we you bring up a good point. We have an opportunity to put a a 1206 01:40:53,280 --> 01:41:03,520 roundabout first class roundabout in for $1 million. Now I can only rem how much 1207 01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:08,400 we come back to revisit this thing how much it would cost because we were we 1208 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:15,840 had did have roundabouts that we could have put in several years ago but we got 1209 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:21,760 a vote and they were 800,000 bucks a piece. So delaying something doesn't 1210 01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:28,295 really being the wisest steward of money. So I just think it's a million 1211 01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:31,280 dollars a good investment. Jerry, [clears throat] 1212 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:36,480 » just to address your your comments, Commissioner Pum, many years ago that 1213 01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:43,119 was just a two-way stop. There was no four-way stop there. So, the 270 first 1214 01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:48,400 went through. Um, the reason that it got put to be a four-way stop is when that 1215 01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:55,360 new school to the north there um got put in, uh, traffic was not able to get on 1216 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:59,199 271st from Western Avenue. So, that's the reason that it went to a four-way 1217 01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:03,280 stop because if you take those out now with the amount of traffic that's 1218 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:08,000 running there, we will never get people turning off a western and then and then 1219 01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:11,600 you're going to have vehicles coming up uh somebody going eastbound, they're 1220 01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:15,119 going to want to make a left-hand turn and they're going to sit there and wait 1221 01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:17,679 and wait and wait and then people behind them aren't going to see it and they're 1222 01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,560 going to be we'll have we'll have additional crashes there. If we're not 1223 01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:26,080 paying attention, they're going to run into the rear. So, so at this point, 1224 01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:30,239 four-way is better than a two-way. And again, you don't want to go backwards on 1225 01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:34,400 this again just because of the amount of traffic that's there. 1226 01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:40,000 » Uh once the parkway is done, how will that alleviate that? 1227 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:45,920 » So, if you read the studies about uh so if you read our master transportation 1228 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:51,360 plan, this was completed 2018 2019. It states in there there'll be a 50% 1229 01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:58,080 reduction when MA when when Veterans Parkway or S3 100 gets done. Well, when 1230 01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:02,480 we did our our uh corridor study in 2022, 1231 01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:08,320 that changed. It didn't say it was going to be cut in half. It said it will be it 1232 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:15,360 will drop significantly, but dependent on the amount of development that occurs 1233 01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:19,199 adjacent to County Road 106. So the the key the key here is going to be the 1234 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:24,000 amount of development and how quickly that develops 1235 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:29,600 uh adjacent to 106 um even even after Veterans is open. If 1236 01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:32,880 that if that starts developing um then then then we're we're going to 1237 01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:38,320 be in the same boat. >> And I can believe that when it starts to 1238 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:43,360 develop. Yes. and and with with the sewer project that's coming along uh on 1239 01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:47,840 along there on for Sou Falls that uh sewer basin project um that's that's 1240 01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:53,119 going to be starting well it's starting this fall here and then next year um 1241 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:58,000 once that gets completed then then that'll be serviceable by the city of 1242 01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:02,239 Sou Falls and then it could be whenever so 1243 01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:07,600 » and that Allora I think it's called that big development down there is that 1244 01:44:05,199 --> 01:44:13,600 » yeah so currently right now between between Louise Avenue and Western 1245 01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:19,040 Avenue. Um at the Allure development, uh it's a half a section um south on the 1246 01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:24,800 south side of uh 271st. Um they'll be they'll be starting here 1247 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:31,760 very soon uh uh developing or or building in there. Uh, also, uh, we I 1248 01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:38,000 just got a traffic study, um, from a developer in Sou Falls, the northwest 1249 01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:41,600 corner of Western Avenue and 106. So, where we're going to put this 1250 01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:46,560 intersection where we want to, there's going to be a huge uh, multi- 1251 01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:48,639 multifamily housing development. It's a big apartment complex that's going in 1252 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:51,280 there >> just south of the school then. 1253 01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:54,880 » Correct. >> Okay. 1254 01:44:51,840 --> 01:45:00,960 » On that corner? Yes. when >> um potentially starting possibly next 1255 01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:07,280 year. Again, I got the traffic study about 3 months ago um from them and 1256 01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:11,360 they've already completed that. So, so with the URE development, uh there were 1257 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:16,159 there were three or four other developments that went in on a traffic 1258 01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:20,560 study and again these were mainly routed through the city of Harrisburg. So, 1259 01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:24,960 there is another development uh from Western and 106 to the south going to 1260 01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:29,040 south about a mile. I believe there's another development that's going to be 1261 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:35,887 be starting up here down there as well. >> When is the po proposed 1262 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:38,159 uh completion of the Veterans Highway? [snorts] 1263 01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:42,960 » Well, that that that's a DOT or city of Sou Falls question. And I it keeps 1264 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:49,040 getting pushed off and and really um the last I heard is the last segment which 1265 01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:55,360 will be western to 220 or the 29. Um that is starting they'll start 1266 01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:58,719 construction on that in 28. You 1267 01:45:55,600 --> 01:46:03,600 » mean that the rest of that is in 28? >> Yes. So from the segment from Western 1268 01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:07,840 Avenue to 29, >> they're they're tenatively looking at 1269 01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:11,600 2028 starting. >> Um 1270 01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:17,199 » so so as a part of that, Louise Avenue will be closed for a while. So any any 1271 01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:22,719 that that north south corridor will will not be functional um because they'll 1272 01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:26,159 have it closed for this veterans project uh at that intersection of Veterans and 1273 01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:31,199 Louise to the north of our roundabout that is currently there. So, 1274 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:36,320 » city of Sou Falls uh 1275 01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:43,119 uh contacted you on uh us possibly not and doing going to do 1276 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:46,239 this. Have they reached out to you? >> Not doing 1277 01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:51,360 the >> not doing the roundabout one. 1278 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:53,760 » Have they uh have they reached out to you? 1279 01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,719 » I've been in conversation with them about this. 1280 01:46:54,480 --> 01:47:03,360 » Yeah. Did they seem a little distraught about that? 1281 01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:08,880 » Um, I never I never really heard any I I don't get that feeling because it 1282 01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:14,239 because it's not theirs. Um because it's our it's our road. So I to them I guess 1283 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:17,920 you know because because at the end of the day I guess uh when calls start 1284 01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:25,520 coming in it's going to come into us and not them. But now the city of Sou Falls 1285 01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:28,520 and we we ended up with the jurisdiction basically 1286 01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:40,320 the the north half is they have control and um so I just didn't know if they 1287 01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:44,924 were >> No. No. So I was the one that contacted 1288 01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,239 them about this about doing [clears throat] this project initially. 1289 01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:54,480 Um, and again it was either late last year, I think it was. Um, they didn't 1290 01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:58,480 contact me. I contacted them because I seen the need up there. I was I would 1291 01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:04,560 been through that intersection at peak hours and and sit in line there for four 1292 01:48:00,719 --> 01:48:08,880 or five minutes or 6 minutes. Um, and I just it's like this needs something 1293 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:13,840 needs to happen here. Um, and I've gotten I've gotten several phone calls, 1294 01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:19,320 not not that many, but a few, uh, from individuals that that want to know if 1295 01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,320 something's going to happen there. 1296 01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:26,080 » All right. Any other commissioner discussion? 1297 01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:31,119 » I recognize that uh there's been some phone calls asking for some something to 1298 01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:36,880 be done at that intersection. There's also been uh 1299 01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:42,800 a tsunami of communication about getting the budget under control 1300 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:48,920 as well. So, you got to balance the two. Can't have it all. Can't have your cake 1301 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,920 and eat it too. 1302 01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:58,560 Um, so we have a motion um to do the Hudson project and remove the Western 1303 01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:02,320 Avenue project as well as remove the revenue. If there's no further 1304 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:08,080 discussion, Alicia, will you call the role on that motion? 1305 01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:11,679 » We've already taken public comment. >> I don't think so. 1306 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:16,159 » We did because the motion was made and seconded. One motion was withdrawn. I 1307 01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:19,760 took public comment prior to that. Nobody show you call the role. 1308 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:23,360 » Nobody talked. >> There was no You didn't take any public 1309 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:26,560 comment. >> I offered public comment and nobody got 1310 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:30,560 up. >> Are you in a hurry to go somewhere? 1311 01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:33,440 » I'm asking Alicia to call the role. >> Well, I'm asking you to just allow 1312 01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:37,280 people to speak. >> Is there anybody want to talk about it? 1313 01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:43,760 » Yeah. See, there's people nodding their heads. What What What is the harm? 1314 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:48,719 » I'm running this meeting. I asked for public comment. Nobody got up. Alicia, 1315 01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:54,960 call the role, please. Commissioner Putnham. 1316 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:57,360 » I'd like to hear people talk. >> Schmidt, 1317 01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:01,199 » uh, no. >> Errens, 1318 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,560 » yes. >> Hi. 1319 01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,840 » Landine. >> No. The motion fails. 1320 01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:14,560 » Is there another >> I would I would vote yes, but I wanted 1321 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:18,400 somebody to talk. Well, poor way to run a business. 1322 01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:20,880 » What's your vote, Doug? >> Yes, I I'm going to go along with it. 1323 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:27,960 » Okay. >> Well, I make the same motion, 1324 01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:27,960 » Commissioner. Let me take that vote. 1325 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,320 » So, yeah, motion passes. We'll have a better one here later. 1326 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:35,760 » The motion passes. >> You guys will be able to talk more than 1327 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:40,880 » Yeah. >> All right. Next item, Commissioner 1328 01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:44,320 Erons, that you want to discuss, >> Madam Chair. Where we at with this? It 1329 01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:49,840 failed. 22. >> It was 22 because Commissioner Putinham 1330 01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:53,199 did not vote when the motion was called. >> I said I'll vote yes. 1331 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:57,679 » So >> technically it failed, but then he 1332 01:50:54,960 --> 01:51:02,159 turned around and said yes. So if that's his vote, then it would pass. 1333 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:05,199 Commissioner Arens made it basically the same motion. 1334 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:08,639 » So if we want to run back through the vote to make sure it's clear, we can 1335 01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:14,719 » dysfunctional. And I guess we'll just keep it dysfunctional. How's that sound? 1336 01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:20,159 » Yeah. E everybody can have their commissioners and the public, everybody 1337 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:26,639 can have their opinion, but government works best when we hear 1338 01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:31,679 everybody's opinion. >> Commissioner Erenss, would you like to 1339 01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:37,840 discuss the next um department? >> Well, we need to clean this up. So, I'm 1340 01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:44,400 making a motion. Same motion. cut the funding, the 2.5 million and the $1.5 1341 01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:49,080 million in revenue uh for the Western Roundabout project. 1342 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:53,679 » Is there a second? >> And I will second it. 1343 01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:59,280 » I've got a motion and a second. Will you call the role, please? 1344 01:51:55,679 --> 01:52:01,760 » Asking for public comment on public comment. 1345 01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:05,440 » Make public comment. >> Alicia, call the role, please. 1346 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:08,400 » Where's the public comment? Commissioner Putnham. 1347 01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:11,520 » Jesus, >> this is so dysfunctional. You don't have 1348 01:52:10,719 --> 01:52:13,840 the floor. >> Thank God we'll have it better here 1349 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:17,760 pretty quick. >> Just let the public speak. 1350 01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:20,239 » You don't have the floor. Alicia, will you call the role? 1351 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,880 » Commissioner Butner, >> yes. 1352 01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:24,480 » Schmidt, >> no. 1353 01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,000 » Arens, >> yes. 1354 01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:32,360 » Hi. >> Landing. 1355 01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:32,360 » No. Motion passes. 1356 01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:41,480 Next issue, other economic assistance, [snorts] page 26. 1357 01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:49,880 » I've written that in there. >> Yep. 1358 01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,880 » Yep. 1359 01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:58,239 Page 26. Other economic assistance. 1360 01:52:55,599 --> 01:53:04,320 » It's department 4410 on page 26. Go ahead, Commissioner 1361 01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:09,119 Aaron. these organizations that are listed for economic assistance. 1362 01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:15,679 » Page 26. >> Page 26. Commissioner 1363 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:19,840 » page 26. >> Commissioners, as a reminder, this uh 1364 01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:27,280 you passed a motion earlier, so it will reflect the 2026 in this document. 1365 01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:32,679 » Yeah. And any motion I make is going to incorporate what was already decided 1366 01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:32,679 there earlier. 1367 01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:42,480 So um we have a list of organizations children's in helpline solless 1368 01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:47,679 interlakes lennox enrichment canton transit and 1369 01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:53,360 lifescapes decodabilities is statutoily required 1370 01:53:50,719 --> 01:53:59,199 that means that there is a law in South Dakota that says we have to give the 1371 01:53:56,239 --> 01:54:03,119 county has to give x amount of money to that kind of organization. But the law 1372 01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:08,800 does not require us to spend money on any of these other organizations. 1373 01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:13,760 All good organizations in some form or fashion, nonprofits 1374 01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:19,040 that are out there attempting to help people in various forms of assistance 1375 01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:23,840 that they need. Um, 1376 01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:29,360 when we have an 11 million budget shortfall, 1377 01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:33,599 sometimes we need to, and this time we need to revisit where we're spending 1378 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:38,639 public money. Just generally speaking, these are 1379 01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:44,880 nonprofit charities, and I would prefer to see that the public 1380 01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:50,560 give their charitable aid. Uh, the public cannot give charitable aid. 1381 01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:54,960 uh through the government. It's compelled. It's forced from them through 1382 01:54:52,320 --> 01:55:01,360 their taxes. But also another concern that I have is when this money leaves 1383 01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:04,360 the public coffers, it also loses public oversight. 1384 01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:10,719 I can't I've never been invited to one of these organizations to a board 1385 01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:17,760 meeting to speak. Probably wouldn't even let me in. Uh never. They take they take 1386 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:23,040 the public money and the public accountability in the 1387 01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:29,040 oversight is gone. And that's my big concern here. Public oversight of public 1388 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:35,040 money is gone when we give the money to these nonprofits. Has nothing to do, you 1389 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:38,400 know, one of them came in last year and said, "Oh, you're such a big meanie. 1390 01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:45,440 You're a bad person because you want to take the money away from us." Look, I 1391 01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:52,400 get it. they they have their opinion. My view though is based and grounded on 1392 01:55:48,000 --> 01:56:00,480 the budget realities that we face today. And so, uh, maybe in an effort here to, 1393 01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:06,239 uh, achieve a compromise, I would propose, 1394 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:14,960 uh, and this incorporates in the deal that, uh, Commissioner Autton made. 1395 01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:19,119 [snorts] Uh, but I propose that we move uh, if I had it my way, we' we'd zero 1396 01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:23,679 all this out given the budget reality. But maybe I want to achieve a compromise 1397 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:30,000 here today. And I would move that we reduce all of these 1398 01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:35,480 uh nonprofit other economic assistance numbers back to their 20124 numbers. 1399 01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:47,679 I haven't asked for a motion, but I will take public comment unless there's other 1400 01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:50,320 uh questions or input from the commission. 1401 01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:56,599 Is there public comment on this item? 1402 01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:03,360 Thank you, Madam Chair. Linda Montgomery, Fairview, South Dakota. I 1403 01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:09,280 think with our deficit that we have this year, I think 1404 01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:18,480 this is a prudent decision. I know it's not going to be popular, but I've done 1405 01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:25,520 budgets for myself and my profession and for my personnel personal self. I 1406 01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:34,080 believe that sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and uh say we can't this 1407 01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:40,199 year but we can next look at this again. Thank you. 1408 01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,199 » Other public input. 1409 01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:52,800 » Morning commissioners. Thank you. Sarah Stever 46850 276th Street. Um, I think 1410 01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:58,320 the all of these budget requests I think were very well thought out. Um, and 1411 01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:03,679 they're all worthy, but we just don't have the money. And so, it's hard for me 1412 01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:06,159 not to compare it to what most people would do in their own personal lives 1413 01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:10,800 when they don't have the money. It's just to figure out what they have to 1414 01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:16,639 cut. But we also have codified law in South Dakota that caps what we can do. 1415 01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:23,760 Uh, so I guess I'm I have a question for you um about what we've got for a a 1416 01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:28,320 qualified fund balance that we're actually adding into the amount of money 1417 01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:34,239 that we are going to take in in order to hit the 95% mark on what we can actually 1418 01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:39,520 have for expenditures. So that's my question. What is the beginning fund 1419 01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:43,119 balance that we're going to add to the amount that we want to spend? Um, and 1420 01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:48,560 does that follow within South Dakota codified law? Thank you. 1421 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:52,280 » Thank you. Other public input. 1422 01:58:54,400 --> 01:59:00,159 All right. Sherry, is that anything you want to address? 1423 01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:03,760 » I'd have to look up the SDCL. I don't know what we're talking about. 1424 01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:08,239 » All right. >> I think it was 1425 01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:12,320 » You think it was repealed? >> I'm not sure because I don't Off the top 1426 01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:15,760 of my head, I don't know which one we're referring to. 1427 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:18,920 » Okay. Sorry, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. 1428 01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:24,040 » All right. Any other public input? 1429 01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:32,400 If not, is there a motion? >> Um, 1430 01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:36,080 we the commissioners don't speak then or we're supposed to or 1431 01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:39,760 » I've asked for a motion. So, if there's a motion and a second, then there will 1432 01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:43,840 be further discussion. That's how it usually works. 1433 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:51,040 » Making a motion. Got to turn the microphone on. Making a motion to drop 1434 01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:56,000 down other economic assistance to the 1435 01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:59,119 2024 levels. >> And what were those levels, 1436 01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:03,760 Commissioner? Um, 1437 02:00:00,639 --> 02:00:08,520 Children's in 8,000, Helpline Center 9,473, 1438 02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:13,000 Soloulless 9,473, 1439 02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:21,040 Interlakes 6785, 1440 02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:26,000 Lennox Enrichment 5,000, Canton Transit 1441 02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:31,360 12,000, Decodabilities, 1442 02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:38,119 which says statutoily required and then but uh that would be in the 1443 02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:38,119 amount of 4,320 1444 02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:43,560 and lifecapes to 35,520. 1445 02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:52,800 All right. Is there a second to the motion? 1446 02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:56,159 » I'll second the motion. >> There's been a motion and a second. Any 1447 02:00:54,719 --> 02:00:58,400 further discussion? >> Madam Chair, 1448 02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:03,599 » go ahead. Commissioner Aten. >> So my question with the with the budget 1449 02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:08,639 request from these different entities, have they been here in the last 6 months 1450 02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:13,360 or >> whenever to present their 1451 02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:17,119 » they do they do come in, they fill out applications 1452 02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:21,840 um and they have brought in presentations. actually our commission 1453 02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:27,760 office assistant Paul can probably come up and and talk further about that 1454 02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:36,639 process that we go through. >> Yeah. So um previously in 24 25 and 20 1455 02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:41,920 24 and 25 for the budgets for 25 and 26 the outside agencies submitted a written 1456 02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:47,840 request and attended the the the meetings to talk about it. Um, my idea 1457 02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:50,880 was for 27 since when they came in and presented, they didn't really talk about 1458 02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:54,239 their budget requests and they kind of just talked about how great they were. 1459 02:01:52,639 --> 02:02:00,080 What I did this year was have them submit a one-page document um that uh 1460 02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:03,199 outlined their budget justification that was sent to the commission. I can resend 1461 02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:06,560 it to you guys all if you want to look at it again. 1462 02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:11,280 » You go through it right now, Paul. Uh yeah, I can uh if you give me I mean or 1463 02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:14,719 we can I can put it together so it's in a more readable form cuz when we come 1464 02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:18,000 back for the state's attorney's office too, I can put it together so it's in a 1465 02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:21,760 readable form cuz a lot of what they submit is a bunch of financial audit 1466 02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:27,199 information which is available to anyone. It just kind of clutters up and 1467 02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:28,719 and um uh and does it. But if you if you give me 1468 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:32,639 » I don't know if it is available to everyone. 1469 02:02:29,679 --> 02:02:36,960 » Okay. Uh well, I'll double check that. A lot of that are um 1470 02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:41,679 » yeah, I'll double check, but um the their audits they that they submit as 1471 02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:46,239 part of their 990, their federal 990 tax forms um that are required that you can 1472 02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:50,239 find online. I'll double check on that, too. But um I can either put it together 1473 02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:55,599 now or we have to come back for the state's attorney's office um later as 1474 02:02:52,880 --> 02:03:02,320 well. I can put together, repackage it in a readable form with uh things and 1475 02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:06,480 » attach it to the agenda and we can um if you have specific stuff you want to ask 1476 02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:08,480 of any of them, I can get them here as well. Again, 1477 02:03:07,119 --> 02:03:12,239 » well, I think you should extend that invitation. I think that's a good idea 1478 02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:15,840 to move it since we're bringing back our state's attorney to talk about his 1479 02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:19,920 budget. I can I'll so I'll get I'll get stuff 1480 02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:23,760 resent and I'll get make sure it's a I'll add it back to this so it's 1481 02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:27,760 available for everyone um that we've talked about I'll add it to this agenda 1482 02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:33,440 and then we'll have it on next agenda >> and um we I'll extend the invitation to 1483 02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:36,960 those people again if that works for everyone otherwise I 1484 02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:42,480 can try and put something together real quick but um personally I'd rather make 1485 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:51,040 sure it's right then do it quickly >> I I think that makes sense and these are 1486 02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:56,800 I mean these I guess facilities or um programs they are serving um the less 1487 02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:59,840 fortunate people in our county and I I do want them to have an opportunity to 1488 02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:01,840 come in and address their budget request. 1489 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:05,280 » Yeah, I'll make that invitation to them and I'll I'll package it together and 1490 02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:09,679 get that to you guys as soon as I can. >> And Paul, would you ask those 1491 02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:13,199 organizations to send their chief executive officer to attend? 1492 02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:17,679 » I would can certainly make that request. In past years, we've had people come in 1493 02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:22,480 who are their public relations person and they don't I ask questions about 1494 02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:28,000 their budget and they really don't have the best indication 1495 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:34,000 as to why they're asking for the ask that they've made. For example, one of 1496 02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:40,400 these organizations pays their CEO a minimum of 350 grand a year. 1497 02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:46,080 » I think it was 375 plus a being charitable. But if they're going to pay 1498 02:04:43,119 --> 02:04:51,679 their CEO 375 grand and they want to come ask for property taxpayer money 1499 02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:56,480 when we have a property taxpayer revolt going on, they should come here and make 1500 02:04:54,639 --> 02:05:03,199 the ask themselves as the chief executive officer instead of sending uh 1501 02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:05,119 public relations person to come. >> I will certainly make that request to 1502 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:05,920 them. >> Thank you. 1503 02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:09,040 » Thank you. >> Thank you all. 1504 02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:14,880 » Next item or department that you want to talk about. We have a We have a motion 1505 02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:18,639 pending that needs to be voted on. >> Can we We're not done with comments yet. 1506 02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:21,199 » Oh, of course. Yeah. >> Um 1507 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:27,679 » should take comment. >> I'm not opposed commissioner to do some 1508 02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:32,800 modification, but 1509 02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:38,000 it's easier to sit here in Canton and make all kinds of wonderful statements 1510 02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:43,119 about that. And you wonder for example the helpline center now what do they do? 1511 02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:48,239 What is what are they good at are they? Well they do they do a lot of wonderful 1512 02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:54,239 things and I think suicide prevention is one is just one issue along with many 1513 02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:59,119 others which are very critical. I know you have a very difficult time with the 1514 02:05:56,400 --> 02:06:02,719 children's home society because you do mention them all the time. Children's 1515 02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:09,599 Home Society is a very large organization but in relationship to the 1516 02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:16,320 Children's Inn which was just re uh redesigned and supposed to be 1517 02:06:12,159 --> 02:06:22,000 accommodating well into 28 and 29 rights now is running at full capacity and when 1518 02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:28,239 you see some of the charact individuals of parents or single moms with kids that 1519 02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:32,880 come there um I may be called Mr. tender heart. But boy, I have a tough time 1520 02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:37,520 saying that that money is is not spent correctly. Interlakes Community Action 1521 02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:42,079 on the other hand, they they're okay. They get their government funding. They 1522 02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:48,400 do all kinds of weatherization. They do Head Start. They do many good things for 1523 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:51,920 kids to get them. And on the on Rock situation, I I don't have any idea on 1524 02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:57,280 that. I don't know why we're paying them. I I have a tough time with that 1525 02:06:54,320 --> 02:07:00,480 organization, period. If it wasn't that they provided some form of 1526 02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:03,679 transportation, I wouldn't give them a dime. But anyway, just to let you know 1527 02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:07,599 that we do have >> talking about 1528 02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:10,239 » this rocks outfit. That's an IAP agency that we are 1529 02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:14,320 » Rock. I see Canton Transit. 1530 02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:21,920 » Yeah, this is Well, Rocks is supposed to be able to provide public transportation 1531 02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:28,239 because we are under that IAP agency. There's an ICAP agency out of Madison 1532 02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:33,920 and there's an IAP agency out of uh Wagner, isn't it? Or 1533 02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:38,800 » Yeah. And IAP has been down here. I don't know the uh Iraq has been here 1534 02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:42,880 maybe once, but I'm not going to debate all of this commissioners. And the other 1535 02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:47,199 thing when you talk about nonprofits, nonprofits, you mean you can say what 1536 02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:52,880 you want to them about them. And if you don't have control of them, well, that's 1537 02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:58,880 too they have a board of directors. They have guidelines. You have to have your 1538 02:07:55,280 --> 02:08:03,360 audit available to the public. I mean, whatever monies that you get, you're 1539 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:09,599 always have to be able to show where it went, how it was spent. So I think that 1540 02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:14,400 nonprofits go the extra mile today because they are looking at dollars. 1541 02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:19,520 They are hardpressed try to find those services that are provided and 1542 02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:24,800 government's not going to provide it. So if government doesn't provide it, 1543 02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:30,079 nonprofits do. So okay fine. Well then if government doesn't have it should be 1544 02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:34,239 the public pays for it all. I mean, I think that government has some 1545 02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:39,199 obligation to kind of support these kinds of activities which help poor 1546 02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:40,960 people and kids, and that's what these are all about. 1547 02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:47,920 » Now that [clears throat] you're elaborating, tell me about LifeScape. 1548 02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:51,760 I'm not 100% up on Livescape. I'd like to hear a little more about that. Well, 1549 02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:57,360 LifeScape takes care of all of the unfortunate handicapped children that 1550 02:08:54,320 --> 02:09:04,159 are running around and they if you want a calling from God, you go work with 1551 02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:09,920 those handicapped kids who are uh from severely handicapped from not being able 1552 02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:15,360 to have any taking care of any of their body functions. They cannot talk, they 1553 02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:22,079 cannot walk and they have to 24-hour a day care. This is a a situation that for 1554 02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:29,119 those parents that have those children that go there. And the better part about 1555 02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:34,960 it is LifeScape also helps train some of the trainable ones which are severely 1556 02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:40,719 mentally handicapped by giving them enough skills so that in some cases 1557 02:09:38,239 --> 02:09:44,639 they're able to sustain themselves. they're able to take care of themselves 1558 02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:50,880 from the standpoint of having independent living or they have a small 1559 02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:56,239 minute job. So, you know, a lifescape when you look at the money we spend 1560 02:09:52,639 --> 02:10:00,800 here, okay, so we spend $55,000 or $50,000, 1561 02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:05,840 but if you can take a kid that would take off of government roles and make 1562 02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:10,800 them independent and it's a nonprofit that's doing that, what's wrong with 1563 02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:16,239 that? To me, that's a good investment. And most of all, I would say that it 1564 02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:20,719 would serve all commissioners well to go there and sit with them. Not just take 1565 02:10:18,639 --> 02:10:26,000 the tour of the building and saying in this building we have here, go actually 1566 02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:30,000 go to the feeding room when you have to feed these kids or when you have to 1567 02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:37,119 change their diapers or when you have all kinds of situation. Then tell me 1568 02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:43,040 that our money is not well spent. Commission, can I make a comment? Um, at 1569 02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:48,239 the beginning of the budget process, we had scheduled a calendar on how we were 1570 02:10:45,119 --> 02:10:52,079 going to do the budget. Um, we had requested the commission to give us 1571 02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:55,840 direction on how to get the other economic assistance, whether they wanted 1572 02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:58,800 to see them or whether they did not. There was no desire for them to come in 1573 02:10:57,599 --> 02:11:02,960 and talk. they wanted to do the application process or at least I do not 1574 02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:08,400 I'm not aware of any desire to have them come in and talk since we are at the 3 1575 02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:15,199 weeks out from the budget being passed. Um I would I I think 1576 02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:21,040 or whatever that if we want to drop it back to the 2024 request then do that 1577 02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:24,639 but then I think you need to give your commission assistant direction for the 1578 02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:29,040 next budget year on how you want to proceed with this. Uh we do only have 1579 02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:32,400 two meetings left. I don't know how he's going to round these people up to come 1580 02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:36,159 in and speak on their request at this point. 1581 02:11:34,719 --> 02:11:42,800 » Thank you. >> I feel that we just go ahead and do the 1582 02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:48,599 2024 and and we'll go from there and we'll deal with it next year if we want 1583 02:11:44,719 --> 02:11:48,599 to change anything else. 1584 02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:56,960 Paul, you'll put that together that list for us and we'll address it when we 1585 02:11:54,639 --> 02:12:01,360 address state's attorney. >> Sure. Whatever you guys want. 1586 02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:06,800 » Okay. So, we had a motion. We had a second. 1587 02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:10,719 Alicia, we call the role. >> Commissioner Putnham. 1588 02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:12,719 » Now, this is on going back to 24, right? >> Yes. 1589 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,320 » Okay. Yes. >> Schmidt? 1590 02:12:13,679 --> 02:12:15,840 » No. >> Arens? 1591 02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:18,800 » Yes. >> Aton? 1592 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:33,000 nay >> landing. 1593 02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:33,000 » No. 1594 02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:38,960 » Motion fails. >> Commissioner Erenss, do you want to keep 1595 02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:42,239 going? >> Next is buildings and grounds. 1596 02:12:42,079 --> 02:12:48,000 And >> you got a page number for us? 1597 02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:48,000 » I am looking for that. 1598 02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:07,079 Page 11. General government building 1599 02:13:08,079 --> 02:13:11,320 up here. 1600 02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:16,360 Great. That's department 4161. 1601 02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:29,920 Go ahead, Commissioner Erin. >> Thank you. Got a line item in here for 2 1602 02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:34,880 three 2.03 million under buildings and structures. 1603 02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:40,159 But what we don't have is we have not yet identified a way forward or any kind 1604 02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:46,400 of consensus as to what the improvements to the old 1605 02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:54,079 courthouse will cost, what improvements, if anybody, if any, 1606 02:13:49,280 --> 02:14:02,480 will be made. Um, it's being worked on. Um, and I've talked to Mr. Rambo about 1607 02:13:56,639 --> 02:14:09,520 that. But uh until we have uh more definite understanding of what we're 1608 02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:14,880 going to move forward with, how we're going to move forward with it. 1609 02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:19,360 I'm proposing to remove that $2 million of budget authority out of there. Do you 1610 02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:24,880 want and I and I don't know the best way to do this because originally that was 1611 02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:29,199 an auditor decision because of was was that the legislative but wasn't it the 1612 02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:32,159 legislative audit that you had to assign the money to something? 1613 02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:40,360 » That's a different thing. >> That's different. That's not this one. 1614 02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:40,360 » Okay, perfect. Thank you. 1615 02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:48,719 » So that is that your motion? Well, I'm not taking a motion right now. 1616 02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:53,760 He's just that's what he's wanting to do. And I wanted clarification that that 1617 02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:57,360 wasn't just the unassigned light [clears throat] item that you had 1618 02:14:54,880 --> 02:15:00,079 to assign. Okay. If that's not the case, then are there any other questions from 1619 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:01,520 the commission? >> Madam Chair, 1620 02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:07,360 » go ahead, Commissioner. >> So, Commissioner Erands, 1621 02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:11,040 um, it's not a motion, but restate your attention from which line item. 1622 02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:14,880 » Yes, sir. which I believe is building instructions 1623 02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:19,360 and the exact dollar amount that you're looking to remove. 1624 02:15:16,159 --> 02:15:25,440 » Yeah. So, if you go down one, two, three paragraphs to it's called EXP category 1625 02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:28,880 43 capital outlay. >> Mhm. 1626 02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:31,920 » And then right underneath that there is a line item called buildings and 1627 02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:38,880 structures. >> Yep, I'm there. 1628 02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:42,320 » And the proposal for 2027 is $2.038 038 million. 1629 02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:45,920 » Yep. >> So, you're proposing to eliminate the 1630 02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:49,679 whole >> proposing to eliminate remove that 1631 02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:50,880 » the whole dollar amount. >> Yes. 1632 02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:57,040 » Okay. >> And and Mr. Rambo's here. He he can 1633 02:15:54,560 --> 02:16:04,000 clarify whether I believe the entire two Well, let me 1634 02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:09,520 ask it as a question. Um, of that 2.03 038 million. 1635 02:16:08,598 --> 02:16:14,800 [clears throat] How much in your mind, John, was 1636 02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:21,679 aortioned for potential courthouse versus other 1637 02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:26,639 types of structures here in the county, just regular maintenance, you know, that 1638 02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:31,440 has to be done. So, when we started this and I met with 1639 02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:36,880 the budget committee, um I had an ask or I had a want to do improvements to both 1640 02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:41,840 this building and all of our buildings and start moving forward if we're going 1641 02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:47,840 to save the old courthouse with some expenditures to do improvements there 1642 02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:51,599 like i.e. paint it. Um, and we all know that ultimately if we're going to do 1643 02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:55,280 anything with the old courthouse, we have to either do some kind of a 1644 02:16:53,439 --> 02:17:01,120 structural improvement to the rooftop, which could be very expensive. 1645 02:16:57,439 --> 02:17:04,160 So, I was concerned cuz I from watching and sitting in these meetings, it seems 1646 02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:07,359 like there should be budget authority before we move forward with any money 1647 02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:11,120 spent. And that's where the conversation kind 1648 02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:17,840 of came up that we do have this $2 million set in 1649 02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:24,559 uh reserve for capital improvements. So it looked like if you know we could 1650 02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:28,960 move forward and do $200 or $300,000 worth of projects next year or we could 1651 02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:34,479 do the whole roof improvement you know which could be close to $1.5 million or 1652 02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:38,880 more. So then it was like, well, do we put that money into the budget? So it's 1653 02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:42,639 got the budget authority already in place to do those projects next year. 1654 02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:49,920 And that's kind of where we landed with it. Um I, you know, so I could go back. 1655 02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:54,479 I I I got the $38,700 is what if you take the $2 million 1656 02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:59,040 completely away from doing anything with the old building, 1657 02:17:56,559 --> 02:18:04,479 then I would still need 38. Well, I shouldn't say cuz I took the $3,000 out 1658 02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:10,880 for the um ambulance thing, but so I'd land like about 30 35700. 35,700 is what 1659 02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:17,120 I would need in my capital or buildings and structures line item, which is 101, 1660 02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:21,120 41,61, and 432. But again, that doesn't give us any 1661 02:18:18,960 --> 02:18:26,639 budget authority to do anything to the old courthouse then. no improvements to 1662 02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:33,040 the drainage issues, no improvements to painting it, no improvements to crack uh 1663 02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:38,960 ceiling. Um, so that's that was my dilemma. I came into this budget process 1664 02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:42,639 with that dilemma is until we really know where we absolutely are going to 1665 02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:49,240 land with it, I don't know what to do. But that puts no money in the 2027 1666 02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:49,240 budgets to do anything. 1667 02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:58,399 » Thank you, John. And my belief is that um 1668 02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:03,679 uh that's your no fault of your own. You need some guidance from this commission 1669 02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:11,599 as to what to be done. And so I appreciate your work. Um 1670 02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:15,439 uh but you could live with the 38,000 or 35,700 1671 02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:18,719 for buildings and structures for next year. 1672 02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:24,800 » Correct. But that will accomplish nothing but projects that I want to do 1673 02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:32,960 in this building and for HS and stuff like that. 1674 02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:35,519 » Okay. Do you need uh Okay, understood. >> Thank you. 1675 02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:37,280 » So that commissioners have other questions. 1676 02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:41,439 » Can I add one more thing? >> Something else to say there. Just one 1677 02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:46,960 more thing is is what that also takes away because that was included in the 2 1678 02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:53,040 million is what we can do for renovating this structure to make it more usable by 1679 02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:58,160 staff staying in this building. So, you know, if we need to add if we're 1680 02:19:56,479 --> 02:20:01,439 moving one department to another section and we need to add some sort of wall or 1681 02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:04,720 something, I would have no money in my budget to do that. 1682 02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:08,399 John, when you first brought your budget to the budget committee, didn't you have 1683 02:20:06,399 --> 02:20:12,262 about $800,000 in there for improvements? 1684 02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:17,720 » Um, [gasps] I don't know if it was $800,000. 1685 02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,720 Um, 1686 02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:27,960 I mean, no, I didn't have that high of a number. It's probably closer to 1687 02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:27,960 $200,000. 1688 02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:33,760 » Okay. 1689 02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:43,520 additional monies that again we transferred. We basically figured would 1690 02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:48,880 be absorbed by the $2 million. >> Last year you had $299,000 1691 02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:51,120 for buildings and structures. >> That's our budget this year. 1692 02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:54,800 » Excuse me. >> Yeah. 1693 02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:58,200 » And it's the 171 is what's been spent through August. 1694 02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:04,479 Madam Chair, >> go ahead. Commissioner, 1695 02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:09,680 » so I'm, you know, taking the roughly $2 1696 02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:12,960 million out for the courthouse is kicking the can down the road, which the 1697 02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:15,680 commission has done a good job for many years doing that. Decision is going to 1698 02:21:14,319 --> 02:21:19,728 have to be made sooner or later whether we fix it or tear it down. But with that 1699 02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:25,439 said, [clears throat] 1700 02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:30,560 if we leave 200 35,700 in there, that will take care of your 1701 02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:34,080 needs. I don't want to hamstring you here. If you need a couple dollars more, 1702 02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:39,600 then let's make it that if that's your number. 1703 02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:47,600 » Well, the the overall dilemma is where do I start? You know, I I I will have a 1704 02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:52,479 very tough time spending $60,000 to do uh a cocking project if we really truly 1705 02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:56,479 don't know if we're doing the roofing project. We know the roofing project is 1706 02:21:54,800 --> 02:22:00,720 going to be very expensive to fix the rafters and the roof is going to be very 1707 02:21:58,720 --> 02:22:05,280 expensive. That's where we were landing. You know, that could be $1.5 million. 1708 02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:09,280 you know, um the discussion was is the demolition 1709 02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:13,840 that if we demolished the old courthouse, that could have been one 1710 02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:18,640 $1.5 million. We don't have those fine numbers. We could we talked and we're 1711 02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:25,600 trying to put together a um RFP to get an architect on board to finally uh 1712 02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:30,319 start ironing all this out. Um that by itself is going to be expensive, you 1713 02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:33,600 know, and so we jump on board as you as the commission vote to do that. I I 1714 02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:37,840 don't know what that number could be, but that could be I don't know. I I 1715 02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:42,399 could easily see that approaching $100,000 to get that done. 1716 02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:48,479 » Madam Chair, >> John, I have a question. Instead of 1717 02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:51,840 concentrating where the $200,000 goes on the old building, 1718 02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:57,200 » shouldn't we be looking at what modifications that need to be made in 1719 02:22:54,240 --> 02:23:01,680 this building? If we put in a uh different departments, if we put in a 1720 02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:06,960 public defender's office, if we need to remodel for our uh director of 1721 02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:11,600 equalization because she's cramped in there, you know, like bookends in there, 1722 02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:16,720 shouldn't we be looking at monies that should go here because we can use this 1723 02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:21,840 space? We need this. This is staff development. This is good government 1724 02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:26,000 over there. Uh what are you going to do with it? I mean, you can look at it, but 1725 02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:30,960 it has no functional value for us right now. So, when you talk about the 1726 02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:35,200 200,000, I'm saying I'd like to see you spend that here. I'm going to agree with 1727 02:23:33,439 --> 02:23:40,160 Commissioner Erenss if he wants to cut $2 million out until a later date. I'm 1728 02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:45,840 going to second his motion. So, I think that's where we should be. 1729 02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:51,040 » So, do you have a realistic number that you think you actually need in that line 1730 02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:57,359 item? So what I >> originally had said 357 1731 02:23:53,760 --> 02:24:00,880 and then you said 200,000. So what is the number that you need? 1732 02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:04,720 » And we did agree to the we did tell them the RFP 1733 02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:09,040 » without right we did do that but without regard 1734 02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:12,479 » give me the money for that >> anything actually being done 1735 02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:17,439 » right >> on the old courthouse. So, 1736 02:24:15,120 --> 02:24:21,920 in the nine years I've been here, I've put I've subdivided and subdivided many 1737 02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:26,560 different spaces. Any of those subdivided spaces typically 1738 02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:30,640 cost about 10 grand. Um, I really don't know where we're 1739 02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:34,240 going to land with how to we're we're trying to figure out where the 1740 02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:38,800 department equalization is going to spread out to. If we're an example, if 1741 02:24:37,120 --> 02:24:41,520 we want to maybe subdivide some of the space in what's currently the state's 1742 02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:46,240 attorney's office, which will be vacated, you know, I'll have to put up a 1743 02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:49,680 wall or structure. Well, that could at this point in time, I could see what I 1744 02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:53,520 would envision doing there would be a $20,000 project 1745 02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:58,080 » and then you just have to come in and ask for supplements on when the 1746 02:24:56,319 --> 02:25:01,200 decisions were being made, >> right? That would be the next option. 1747 02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:05,840 And that's part of the conversation we had with the building the budget 1748 02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:10,240 committee was do we do I just not put any number in there and then choose to 1749 02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:17,280 try to get supplemented uh as the need and as numbers come in or 1750 02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:21,840 do we put budget authority there now and you guys still ultimately 1751 02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:25,840 authorize whether I spend it out of that budget authority. It's not like I go out 1752 02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:30,080 to spend money that's in the budget just because it's there, 1753 02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:34,080 » right? That's the whole thing with the $2 1754 02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:38,960 million. It's a huge number, but it was just to establish the budget authority 1755 02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:41,840 to give the five commissioners that will be here January 1st the ability to spend 1756 02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:44,840 it. >> Okay. 1757 02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:49,280 » All right. >> So, 1758 02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:56,160 » other questions from the commission? >> Just discussion maybe. 1759 02:25:50,960 --> 02:25:59,439 » Okay. Um, any public input on uh this part of the budget? 1760 02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:05,120 Thank you, Terry. >> John, 1761 02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:10,560 the wrong one. >> Committee grounds highway 1762 02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:16,560 » other Terry [laughter] >> Linda Montgomery Fever, South Dakota. Um 1763 02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:20,720 to Commissioner Schmidt, if I may, Madam Chair, the functional value that you 1764 02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:26,720 were talking about putting into this building, I think that until we I do not 1765 02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:32,160 see that I still see that old building as having 1766 02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:39,040 functional value. And um and I I really don't um I know 1767 02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:45,439 that there's a push to get rid of that old courthouse, but I think [snorts] 1768 02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:49,200 um there is functional value. Now, how much that will cost to make it up to, 1769 02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:54,319 you know, we've talked about that, but I think at this point, I would like to see 1770 02:26:52,399 --> 02:26:57,520 us doing what you would do with your own 1771 02:26:55,760 --> 02:27:02,160 homes instead of adding, you know, you're 1772 02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:06,960 going to tear down a room, but that room might be able to be used for something 1773 02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:14,080 else with minimal repairs. You know, that's what I'm talking about. the um as 1774 02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:21,359 far as as taking out that whole budget, I understand that he needs um a budget 1775 02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:28,800 to to make improvements wherever you need and then to supplement as the year 1776 02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:33,600 goes on next year. I would like to, you know, [clears throat] 1777 02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:38,720 he he needs some working things, some cap capital to work with. And I would 1778 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:45,280 say I I wouldn't even mind a h 100,000 that he has in that budget to be used 1779 02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:50,160 prudently and for the um the updates that needs to be done with this 1780 02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:55,680 building. And then if we can see the value in that old building that I do, 1781 02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:59,720 it's my suggestion. >> Thank you. Other public input 1782 02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:12,479 Good morning, commission. Morning. >> Chad Skyles of Canton. Um, and I also 1783 02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:18,479 served on the old courthouse committee, advisory committee. Um, 1784 02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:22,800 what I'm going to say is this. If you cut the $2 million, you cut the $2 1785 02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:28,560 million. But, and I guess this is some rhetorical 1786 02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:34,080 questions, we cannot, like Commissioner Utan said, 1787 02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:40,960 we cannot continue to kick this can down the road. It's been ignored way too 1788 02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:46,800 long. I agree with the previous speaker. There's value in that old building. 1789 02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:50,640 Yes, sentimental value, but also practical value. 1790 02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:56,800 And lastly, I guess it's just going to be an open-ended question, and that is 1791 02:28:53,280 --> 02:29:05,200 is that whatever amount you take out for um the whatifs on how to uh maintain 1792 02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:12,319 the old courthouse, that is is that if you take out all the money today, if 1793 02:29:08,479 --> 02:29:17,680 January 5th of 2027, we decide that something is going to be done, but there 1794 02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:22,399 was no money budgeted in John's budget and he comes back, 1795 02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:27,439 I sure hope that it's a five to zero vote supporting supplementing his budget 1796 02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:32,520 to continue that process. Thank you. >> Thank you. Other public input. 1797 02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:42,800 » Hi, Sarah Stever from Lennox. Um, I just wanted to point out that codified law 1798 02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:47,840 7-21-11 is still on the books and that's the one 1799 02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:51,080 that limits you to 95%. Thank you. >> Thank you. 1800 02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:56,600 Other public input. 1801 02:29:57,840 --> 02:30:03,359 » All right. If not, is there a motion? >> Yes. 1802 02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:08,479 » Yeah. Go ahead, Commissioner. >> This is this is the motion I was going 1803 02:30:04,880 --> 02:30:15,720 to make. So my motion was to under category 43 capital A capital outlay 1804 02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:15,720 line item 101-4161-432000 1805 02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:26,000 buildings and structures that we reduce that 2,ion38,700 1806 02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:29,000 down to 335,700. >> Second. 1807 02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:35,120 » Had a motion and a second. Any discussion? 1808 02:30:33,439 --> 02:30:39,760 Well, that was going to be my motion, too. 1809 02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:47,840 » And um I I think here's where we're at. Um 1810 02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:53,359 Mr. Degro sent me an RFP for my review. I need to turn that around to him. 1811 02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:59,520 My guesstimate is the RFP will probably go 1812 02:30:56,399 --> 02:31:04,080 out the door in the next 30 days and the RFP could be responded to within 1813 02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:12,640 the next 60. So that puts us 90 and then for the 1814 02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:18,640 B depending upon the scope of work and who responds to the RFP 1815 02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:26,240 that maybe puts us out about six months. So I foresee that we do we will have 1816 02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:33,840 some kind of response in uh end of Q2 beginning of Q3. Uh so 1817 02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:39,840 basically July of 27 is is my take on this and then that gives enough time to 1818 02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:46,120 bring all the stakeholders to the table to develop a game plan for FY 2028. 1819 02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:53,600 So that's why I second this. >> All right, I got a motion and a second. 1820 02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:58,160 Is there any other discussion before the vote? 1821 02:31:54,399 --> 02:32:02,960 » So, Commissioner Rotten, this calls for a reduction in our budget of how much 1822 02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:05,960 money? >> 1.7 1823 02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:12,000 » I think it's 1.7 >> 1.7. 1824 02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:14,720 » Speak into the mic. >> How much? 1825 02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:18,399 » One 1.7. >> Okay. 1.7. All right. 1826 02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:21,399 » 1.703. >> Okay. 1827 02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:28,319 » Thank you. >> My comments on that motion is is after 1828 02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:32,640 talking to John, that's the number that should be able to get him by that he 1829 02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:37,520 needs. So, I'm not interested in hamstringing him in any shape or form. 1830 02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:41,200 So, and Commissioner Erns is I agree with him on uh when those numbers will 1831 02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:45,280 start coming in and we'll start looking at it then and then hard decisions going 1832 02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:49,520 to have to be made. All right, we got a motion, a second. 1833 02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:54,000 » Okay, now I'd like to clarify this because I couldn't hear much of anything 1834 02:32:51,840 --> 02:33:00,319 that was happening there >> speaking to the mic. But anyhow, so 1835 02:32:57,040 --> 02:33:02,479 we're going to take 1 how much? >> Seven. 1836 02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:07,600 » Seven. >> We're going to reduce the 2,387. 1837 02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:13,040 You see where that's at? >> To the one point. 1838 02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:19,000 » We're going to reduce it down to 3357. So, it's going to be an overall 1839 02:33:14,479 --> 02:33:19,000 reduction of 1.703 1840 02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:22,800 million. >> Okay. 1841 02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:26,160 » Okay. >> All right. Any other questions or 1842 02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:29,439 discussion? If not, Alicia, should we call the role? 1843 02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,720 » Commissioner Putnham, >> yes. 1844 02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:31,840 » Schmidt, >> yes. 1845 02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:33,120 » Arens, >> yes. 1846 02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:38,920 » Hi. >> Lendine, 1847 02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:38,920 » yes. Motion carries. 1848 02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:48,080 All right. other departments. Commissioner Erenss, 1849 02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:50,479 » that's all I have for right now. >> That's all I have for right now. 1850 02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:54,640 » All right. >> I have a couple questions on if I can 1851 02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:59,920 ask. >> Uh, go ahead, Commissioner Putnham. 1852 02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:07,040 » Uh, does the budget include another step or wage increase for the 20 for 27 in 1853 02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:11,960 addition to the 3% increase approved for 26? 1854 02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:20,040 I'm not sure I understand your question. I mean, we put in the pay study 1855 02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:29,760 with the budget numbers. There is a 3% COLA adjustment and a 2.5% 1856 02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:34,960 cost or step increase. >> Are the adjustice 1857 02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:39,399 center operating and staffing costs fully reflected in that? 1858 02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:47,920 the if John has a building and grounds person included in his budget then yes 1859 02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:54,319 I don't know what other staffing there would be the sheriff's included his 1860 02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:59,680 um yes all requested new employees are in those numbers 1861 02:34:57,439 --> 02:35:05,600 » then I'd like one other thing I'd like to back up to on lifecape if I can just 1862 02:35:03,359 --> 02:35:11,840 so it's on the record and everybody knows it. 1863 02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:19,640 Okay. The CEO of Lifescape, Steve Watkins, 1864 02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:19,640 takes in 400 and 400,377 1865 02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:32,760 and with another 65,000 which brings him at a total of 400 1866 02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:32,760 464972. 1867 02:35:34,319 --> 02:35:38,680 Kimberly Marsh CO 1868 02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:42,680 is 270,623 1869 02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:48,439 with a stipen of $29,868 1870 02:35:48,800 --> 02:36:01,319 for 300,000. Steve Wilson's a CFO. I didn't know. I don't know what that is, 1871 02:35:55,840 --> 02:36:01,319 but he takes in three or $234,559 1872 02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:06,920 with a $35,874 1873 02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:12,359 stifen for a total of $270,433. 1874 02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:24,760 Then there's Jason. He's a VP of HR and with his stipen and everything, he's 1875 02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:24,760 taken in $18,68. 1876 02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:36,240 Now, this I got from a taxpayer of Lincoln County. 1877 02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:40,800 Now, the 55,000 that we're going to give them is just like peeing on a fire, 1878 02:36:38,880 --> 02:36:45,280 isn't it? Excuse the pun. 1879 02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:49,280 That was a good waste of time on that cash. 1880 02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:53,800 And of course, I don't know what the other ones are. That's just a start. 1881 02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:57,600 » Thank you. >> All right. Any other changes that the 1882 02:36:56,080 --> 02:37:02,399 commission wants to make to our budget today? 1883 02:36:58,319 --> 02:37:08,000 » Uh potential. Uh this bleeds into agenda item number two, but they're all the 1884 02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:12,560 same. Is this uh I want to go to the 911 page 1885 02:37:08,960 --> 02:37:17,479 » um category here. So, we'll go ahead and move on to item two on our agenda then 1886 02:37:18,800 --> 02:37:26,479 » because this issue is going to have budgetary impact. 1887 02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:31,640 » Commissioner uh or commissioner Sheriff Swansson, this is your item. Do you want 1888 02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:31,640 to come up? 1889 02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:44,080 All right. Swson, Lincoln County Sheriff. Uh, so I was contacted by 1890 02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:50,880 by uh um assistant fire chief Graham with the 1891 02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:54,080 who oversees Metro Communications and he he's kind of my understanding is he 1892 02:37:52,640 --> 02:38:01,439 spearheaded this which I think is long overdue is they want to they've gotten 1893 02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:06,319 all SCS wanted all 27 PAPs to be on board with and county commissioner or 1894 02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:11,120 governing boards to be on board with moving uh dispatchers from a class A 1895 02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:16,720 retirement system to the class B retirement system. And what that 1896 02:38:12,960 --> 02:38:21,840 entailed for for Lincoln County was I've reached out to all of our employees in 1897 02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:27,280 911 that would qualify, which all of our employees would as a dispatcher. 1898 02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:31,600 Um it it's not retroactive, but it would move them from the A system to the B 1899 02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:35,439 system, which reduces 10 years off their service. Now, if anybody knows what a 1900 02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:40,560 dispatcher does, you know, it's a high stress u uh there's there's ups and 1901 02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:45,760 downs through their career just like law enforcement or anybody else. Maybe not 1902 02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:51,200 the same as far as the you're in danger, but it's definitely the high stress uh 1903 02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:56,319 position. So what uh they had asked me to do is present at the this commission 1904 02:38:53,200 --> 02:39:01,359 and I 100% agree that this should happen is that we would uh support 1905 02:38:59,680 --> 02:39:04,960 it's a resolution in support of the South Dakota Retirement System 1906 02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:11,280 reclassifying of the 911 telecommunication operators. So all 27 1907 02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:16,240 uh PAPs are on board with this. I think we're the last one that is presenting. 1908 02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:20,960 Um what I'm asking is that we support this. It will be a cost and all the 1909 02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:24,960 dispatchers agreed to the 2% extra that will come out of their paycheck so that 1910 02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:30,800 they have skin in the game as well. But it would increase uh 911 1911 02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:36,000 employee county contributions by I believe it was $21,000 1912 02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:40,200 annually. >> Thank you. Questions for our sheriff? 1913 02:39:40,560 --> 02:39:48,479 » The they would retire early then. 1914 02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:52,240 » Right. So, so this will be no different than uh I'm trying to use a good 1915 02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:55,120 example. If I was a dispatcher for 5 years and then I became a police 1916 02:39:53,439 --> 02:40:00,800 officer, you just switch from an A to a B. It's not going to do a lot of of B. 1917 02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:05,840 It's not going to be a big benefit to 80% of my dispatchers because 90% of 1918 02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:10,640 their their time's already in the A system and it it doesn't go backwards. 1919 02:40:08,479 --> 02:40:14,800 So those dispatchers would go from a from the class A which would be what 1920 02:40:12,960 --> 02:40:21,439 they would qualify for retirement up till say uh director Baldwin. Uh then he 1921 02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:25,520 would move to the B and he it would reduce the service by a little bit but a 1922 02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:31,319 new dispatcher starting out instead of having to go 30 years they could retire 1923 02:40:27,760 --> 02:40:31,319 in 20 years. 1924 02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:38,399 Can we make this applicable to just new hires after anyone hired after the date 1925 02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:42,319 of this resolution? >> Well, we're just doing the resolution. 1926 02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:46,880 It's by state statute if I'm not mistaken. I mean, the legislature would 1927 02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:49,439 have to pass this to move that classification. 1928 02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:52,640 » Correct. >> Yeah, I get that. 1929 02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:54,800 » I think SDRs has to first approve it. >> Yeah. 1930 02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:59,120 » Right. because I know prosecutors tried doing it along many many years ago the 1931 02:40:57,280 --> 02:41:02,640 same process and it didn't I mean it didn't apply 1932 02:41:00,319 --> 02:41:06,560 » I I get the fact we're this is just a resolution that they can package up and 1933 02:41:04,720 --> 02:41:12,240 send to the legislature and say hey everybody did this I get that part I'm 1934 02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:17,680 trying to have some discussion about you know maybe some adding some nuance into 1935 02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:22,240 this you know for example um 1936 02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:27,120 having this apply to new hires Um, but it wouldn't apply to people who 1937 02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:33,040 are presently hired inside the old system or maybe if you just got hired 1938 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:39,600 within the last two years, three years, four years or something like that. Um, 1939 02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:44,960 so there's that. Number two, when it comes to PAT, because I'll support the 1940 02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:49,760 resolution. That's not the issue for me. The other issue though that I think is a 1941 02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:54,319 bigger issue is the number of PAPs that we have in this state. 1942 02:41:52,160 --> 02:42:00,800 Governor Jenkllo, bless his soul, 30 years ago identified 1943 02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:05,120 the number of PAPs that we have as being problematic. He wanted to reduce the 1944 02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:09,840 number of PAPs. Could never get it done because there were too many county 1945 02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:16,880 commissions that uh that were defending their turf and they didn't want to, you 1946 02:42:12,479 --> 02:42:20,640 know, upset the apple basket. And so we're stuck. You know, it's like the 1947 02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:25,920 sheriff said, we got 27 PAPs out there right now. Question becomes is can we 1948 02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:31,600 reduce that and see efficiencies through reduction? And there's a study out now. 1949 02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:36,880 There's an there's a study that was done this uh you know cost six figures to do 1950 02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:42,000 the study and it came out what a couple years ago 1951 02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:46,640 and it it it said to do what Governor Jenklo said to do 30 years ago is you've 1952 02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:52,479 got to continue to consolidate your PAPs. Now 1953 02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:57,760 we sheriff and I we went through this. I said a couple years ago, sheriff, we 1954 02:42:55,600 --> 02:43:04,800 should consolidate with Sou Falls or we should look into it. What the sheriff 1955 02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:11,359 did instead is he went out and uh found other customers to maintain the Lincoln 1956 02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:14,319 County PAP because there would have been issues and this is important for the 1957 02:43:12,800 --> 02:43:17,520 public to understand. Maybe this is important for commissioners to 1958 02:43:15,439 --> 02:43:22,720 understand if you yourselves don't don't know this. you got to invest in all 1959 02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:27,600 these different CAD systems and if you if you change your paps up and all that. 1960 02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:35,359 So there would have been all kinds of uh retrofitting expenses that made it cost 1961 02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:40,319 prohibitive to consolidate the pap. Now 1962 02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:46,000 we're I think that Lincoln County has taken on this position of basically 1963 02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:49,840 saying um it's cost prohibitive to join with Metro Communications. So instead, 1964 02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:51,920 we're going to go out there and we're going to take on Harrisburg and Lennox. 1965 02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:55,520 And >> can you keep this? Can you just I I 1966 02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:58,319 understand what you want to speak on, but can you keep it to the resolution 1967 02:43:57,279 --> 02:44:03,120 that we're looking at? >> This is part of the resolution. Okay. 1968 02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:09,359 » And here's why. >> If the cost to the county is going to 1969 02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:14,000 increase by adopting the resolution, we then as responsible stewards of 1970 02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:18,800 taxpayer money have to look for other offsets. So if you want to increase the 1971 02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:22,720 amount of money through moving these people to S to a different SDRs 1972 02:44:21,120 --> 02:44:27,040 category, you have to look for ways to make that 1973 02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:31,680 revenue neutral. And that's why any kind of discussion about moving these people 1974 02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:36,240 from retirement categories has to necessarily requires us to talk about 1975 02:44:34,080 --> 02:44:38,960 the number of PAPs. And I get it. There's people who don't want to talk 1976 02:44:37,279 --> 02:44:42,880 about that. There's people who like the status quo, the current system. But 1977 02:44:41,200 --> 02:44:46,800 here's the thing. we send this resolution up and everybody's going to 1978 02:44:44,399 --> 02:44:51,600 be like, see, see, everybody's for increasing the SDRs category. That's 1979 02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:56,319 personnel expense. But then if you're a legislator, you might be saying to 1980 02:44:53,840 --> 02:45:00,560 yourself, well, hold on a minute here. Where's the savings? 1981 02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:04,960 Why is it always just more cost and more cost? Why don't we think about 1982 02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:08,800 institutional reform? So, I want my comments on the record here as part of 1983 02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:13,439 my support for this to also reflect the fact we got a study out there and we've 1984 02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:19,399 got governors, we got legislators who all understand that these PAPs need to 1985 02:45:15,439 --> 02:45:19,399 be reformed as well. 1986 02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:27,520 » Thank you. Other commissioners? >> Yes. I would like to comment on this. 1987 02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:32,439 » Go ahead. [clears throat] the going from 6% to 8% is going to cost 1988 02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:40,000 um the county [snorts and clears throat] about another $20,000 1989 02:45:37,279 --> 02:45:43,000 a year per person. Um 1990 02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:52,439 just to put it on the record there just so that they understand it. Joel. 1991 02:45:49,439 --> 02:45:52,439 Um, 1992 02:45:55,200 --> 02:46:04,080 you know, I guess that's part of what Joel would be talking about. So, just so 1993 02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:08,200 that it's understood that that what what the cost is going to be. 1994 02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:16,000 Sheriff, did you have any other >> Well, I I would say that uh making it 1995 02:46:13,359 --> 02:46:20,240 for new employees and not old employees, I I don't think there would be any buy 1996 02:46:18,479 --> 02:46:24,800 in for that to be honest with you. If if I've got two years in a PAP and the 1997 02:46:22,479 --> 02:46:30,479 person, they just all quit. That's what I'd do anyway. Go work for a PAP that 1998 02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:35,680 did pay the the 8% uh reduce your your your working years by 10 years. So, but 1999 02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:40,240 I get I get the the we're looking at cost savings and I'm just going to throw 2000 02:46:37,439 --> 02:46:45,200 it out there. We we just re re uh negotiated with Turner County uh which 2001 02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:50,080 was an increase of $35,000 for next year in revenue. Uh so I guess we've we're 2002 02:46:48,479 --> 02:46:54,560 cost neutral. >> Thank you, Sheriff. 2003 02:46:51,439 --> 02:46:58,560 » And I am saying that I'm I'm going to go along with what you're doing. I just 2004 02:46:56,479 --> 02:47:02,399 wanted to reflect the fact of what it's going to cost for each person. 2005 02:47:00,319 --> 02:47:05,545 » There's a resolution in front of us. Is there any public input on the 2006 02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:07,564 resolution? [snorts] 2007 02:47:12,240 --> 02:47:15,425 Sorry. [laughter] 2008 02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:22,640 » Good morning again, Commissioner Chad Sky from Canton. 2009 02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:28,960 um being an old 911 dispatcher way back in the day and a former 911 director for 2010 02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:34,160 Lincoln County who saw the uh the onboarding of Turner County and and the 2011 02:47:31,840 --> 02:47:38,080 importance of regionalized 911 and what it can do for the smaller counties in 2012 02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:43,520 South Dakota. I just want to say on record that I 2013 02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:50,560 support this resolution 100%. I do not support the idea of not including the 2014 02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:55,520 current dispatching staff. And the reason for that is is that if you look 2015 02:47:52,880 --> 02:48:01,200 at Lincoln County 911's current dispatching staff, 2016 02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:11,520 easily half of that of that staff of those personnel have 20 to 35 2017 02:48:06,560 --> 02:48:17,359 years of service to Lincoln County. And if you look at other 911 PAPs around 2018 02:48:14,399 --> 02:48:24,720 the state, including one the biggest one just north of us, the turnover there is 2019 02:48:21,526 --> 02:48:30,080 [snorts] in general way higher than it is here in Lincoln County. And and to 2020 02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:35,200 panalyze the uh years of service of those current dispatchers, I think is a 2021 02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:39,920 travesty. And uh uh I would certainly hope that the commission would not 2022 02:48:36,880 --> 02:48:43,399 support that part of it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any 2023 02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:51,000 other public input? If not, is there a motion? 2024 02:48:51,920 --> 02:49:02,080 Motion to uh move uh on sheriff's recommendation of reclassification of a 2025 02:48:58,640 --> 02:49:05,880 91 911 telecomation to class B. 2026 02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:11,160 » All right. Is there a second? 2027 02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:18,640 Second. >> Thank you. I've got a motion and a 2028 02:49:16,399 --> 02:49:24,479 second. Any further discussion? >> Yeah, I've got um I guess I would like 2029 02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:30,080 to see it go the people that are on there right 2030 02:49:27,120 --> 02:49:36,080 now get it right away. That would be the only thing because if they're going to 2031 02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:40,240 do it, they just well do it. And I'm going to support the resolution 2032 02:49:37,920 --> 02:49:46,319 simply because um I think that our dispatchers and 911 2033 02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:51,120 operators are probably have one of the most stressful jobs 2034 02:49:49,359 --> 02:49:56,160 um providing that service to our taxpayers. 2035 02:49:54,399 --> 02:50:02,080 And so I'm going to provide it for the same reasons that law enforcement 2036 02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:05,080 officers are class B um public safety members. 2037 02:50:05,520 --> 02:50:11,120 If there's no further discussion, Alicia, will you call the role? 2038 02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:12,399 » Commissioner Putnham, >> yes. 2039 02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:13,520 » Schmidt, >> yes. 2040 02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:14,880 » Arens, >> yes. 2041 02:50:14,399 --> 02:50:18,800 » Hi. >> Landine, 2042 02:50:15,600 --> 02:50:22,080 » yes. Motion carries. >> Then we have board discussion on Lincoln 2043 02:50:20,560 --> 02:50:25,040 County Justice Center. Commissioner Putnham, 2044 02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:28,560 » I'm going to hold that off till next week. I got a couple other things to 2045 02:50:26,640 --> 02:50:32,160 say, too. >> All right. Then we have our opportunity 2046 02:50:29,840 --> 02:50:36,760 for public comment for items not on our agenda. 2047 02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:36,760 Any 2048 02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:40,200 public comment? 2049 02:50:42,720 --> 02:50:47,600 » If not, are there any commission reports? 2050 02:50:44,880 --> 02:50:55,720 » No, it was it was it wasn't pulled for regular. It was just removed. 2051 02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:55,720 » Paul, do you have a report? 2052 02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:12,000 Uh just briefly um on last week the um Turner Lincoln account or Lincoln Clay 2053 02:51:08,399 --> 02:51:15,840 Water District presented um that um I just was saying I'm working with them to 2054 02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:21,040 get updated language. Uh part of their discussion was to have the board 2055 02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:25,279 consider becoming a sponsor. Um, so just a heads up that you will see some draft 2056 02:51:23,200 --> 02:51:29,439 language and an item on either next week or the following week's agenda for the 2057 02:51:27,359 --> 02:51:34,479 board to consider being a sponsor. Um, just thought I'd give you guys an update 2058 02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:39,338 on that. Um, and that's all I have for right now. 2059 02:51:35,359 --> 02:51:42,720 » Thank you. Any commission reports? >> [music] 2060 02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:50,399 » After last week's meeting, I received a tremendous amount of positive feedback 2061 02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:58,399 on the uh motion for a moratorum on data centers. I just after that meeting and 2062 02:51:53,120 --> 02:52:05,920 the amount of publicity uh probably 35 36 37 people uh sent me emails probably 2063 02:52:03,520 --> 02:52:12,000 received about a dozen phone calls on the issue and who knows how many text 2064 02:52:08,319 --> 02:52:18,240 messages but uh there seems to be tremendous support for wanting to rein 2065 02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:25,359 in take a timeout or a pause on data centers. There was uh people are very 2066 02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:31,040 happy that we're going to have a uh discussion with the city of Sou Falls. 2067 02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:37,760 Um there is a lot of people who want to give their input who don't like the 2068 02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:42,720 status quo and uh they were very pleasantly surprised that there was 2069 02:52:40,399 --> 02:52:45,920 support for holding another joint meeting with the city of Sou Falls. 2070 02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:52,960 That's going to be the last Tuesday in October at 7:00 p.m. And uh I'm just 2071 02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:56,560 reporting back uh feedback I'm getting on that. 2072 02:52:54,080 --> 02:53:02,240 » Commissioner Erns, do you know cuz that meeting will be in Sou Falls, correct? 2073 02:52:59,279 --> 02:53:08,080 » The rotation that we follow is we do every other meeting and so if we follow 2074 02:53:05,840 --> 02:53:12,880 the tradition and custom that means that the meeting would be up in Sou Falls cuz 2075 02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:16,720 we held this one in Canton. So, I'm guessing that that'll be a lengthy 2076 02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:21,200 meeting. So, that would normally be our night meeting if I'm not mistaken. 2077 02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:25,000 So, are we going to move that night meeting to the morning? 2078 02:53:25,359 --> 02:53:33,680 » I think we I don't know. Let's discuss it. Let's talk about it. Let's pull our 2079 02:53:30,319 --> 02:53:36,800 calendars out and look at them. >> Do you want to do that now or do you 2080 02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:40,399 want to work with the commission office on doing that? Well, I think we should 2081 02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:43,439 work with the commission office first instead of doing it on the fly here this 2082 02:53:42,479 --> 02:53:46,240 morning. >> All right. Any other commissioner 2083 02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:51,200 reports >> because we're also going to have to move 2084 02:53:48,240 --> 02:53:56,560 the uh we have not taken formal action yet on also moving our November 2085 02:53:54,399 --> 02:54:01,200 election as well. So, we're going to have to take action on that, too. 2086 02:53:59,520 --> 02:54:05,359 » We just need to probably figure it out sooner rather than later for public 2087 02:54:02,880 --> 02:54:10,000 hearings and those things. >> Agreed. Commissioner Erons, we did move 2088 02:54:07,760 --> 02:54:12,479 the November 3rd meeting to November 5th. 2089 02:54:10,960 --> 02:54:14,560 » We did both of those at the beginning of the year. 2090 02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:19,680 » There you go. We did it. Done. >> So, we just need to look at the in the 2091 02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:24,319 last day of October or the last >> Okay. 2092 02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:29,600 » Okay. Any other commission reports? If not, Drew, any executive session? No 2093 02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:33,040 executive session. Motion to adjurnn, please. 2094 02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:36,720 » So move. >> Motion. Is there a second? 2095 02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:40,240 So moved. >> Thank you. All in favor signify by 2096 02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:43,840 saying I. I. >> I. 2097 02:54:40,800 --> 02:54:47,160 » Any oppose? Same sign. Hearing none. We are adjourned.