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[0:03] Good evening. I'm going to call the Lincoln Town Council meeting to order. On Tuesday, January 23, at 7 p.m., could all please rise for the pledge.
[0:43] TVCD brothers kitchen, the
[0:48] petitioner is not present, this is the third time he's been on the agenda, I want to take a motion.
[0:55] Mr. President, I feel free time is enough, so I'll make a motion to table.
[1:00] Motion to table by Councilman Bouchette, seconded by Councilman Azar and Councilman Ooni, any discussion?
[1:11] Hearing none all in favour.
[1:12] The next is discussion in our action on a class-up license dealing with the Railquarium and past events.
[1:23] I'll obtain a motion to discuss.
[1:25] So moved.
[1:26] Motion by Councilor Russo, seconded by Councilman Oen.
[1:38] Good.
[1:38] The last.
[1:41] Could you just do me a favor and just state your name just so that it's not prepared.
[1:45] Thank you.
[1:45] So yeah, I guess where we left off with the last issue was the fact that we didn't know
[1:50] the date of the meeting was being changed, which resulted in the meeting happening after our event,
[1:56] which I think was what led to the denial of the permit, is that correct?
[2:01] Well, we never entertained the permit, not that it was denied, it was never heard by a disport.
[2:07] Okay, well, we got the email, the 37th approval process from the Chief of Police,
[2:11] I think the town clerk and then you guys, so it was approved by the chief police of town clerk and said it was denied by the board.
[2:18] And this was due to the fact that the meeting was happening after our event, and we weren't able to have it approval.
[2:25] Right, you did not get approval, but it's not the same as with the night.
[2:28] Okay.
[2:30] So just again, bear on that so that we can be more prepared in the future with changes of meetings and stuff that responsibility falls on us to check the town's site.
[2:40] Okay, and there's no emails I brought to people who applied for attendance regarding changes
[2:46] of weekly events, or I'm scheduled monthly meetings.
[2:49] No, cool.
[2:50] Okay, that's good to know.
[2:52] And then I just had a few questions on a few things.
[2:56] We also inquired about having an outsider who has a Class P license
[3:02] through the State of Rhode Island, commenting on our space
[3:06] and serve alcohol that way.
[3:09] I believe, I'm not sure who I be talking with exactly,
[3:12] but I think we got a no on that.
[3:15] I was just wondering what is the deal
[3:17] with the class fee catering license?
[3:20] Because as I'm reading, it's listed in section 3714.2
[3:26] with the department business regulation issues
[3:28] those licenses and that that is valid statewide.
[3:33] So I'm just wondering what the deal is with that in general, is having a caterer of the
[3:39] class people in the state.
[3:41] I will defer that to the solicitor.
[3:44] The main reason is that you are a business and what you're looking for when you come in
[3:49] front of us is a permission or a license to have a special event.
[3:56] So just because you have somebody else coming in does not mean that you can host a special
[4:01] event.
[4:01] and I'm not... I'll turn it over to him.
[4:06] So that's correct. Mr. President, the BTA,
[4:10] the... that does not serve about the local regulations
[4:13] and requirements that we have in the police room
[4:14] to satisfy the town.
[4:16] Okay, which is to have a special events permit.
[4:21] That's kind of been like a little bit...
[4:23] it seems like a gray area as far as like what constitutes
[4:26] a special event and what doesn't that we've been kind of struggling to...
[4:30] to grasp in terms of, like, when does it become a special event, exactly?
[4:39] I think it becomes a special event any time that you're doing something outside the norm,
[4:44] which, you know, it's my understanding that your business is in our gallery, is that correct?
[4:49] Correct.
[4:49] Yep. So, any time that you are conducting business or events outside of the permanent use,
[4:55] which is displayed in showing art that will require you to get a permit
[5:06] So moving forward, if we're only issued the 12 special events permits a year, that's
[5:12] correct, right?
[5:13] 12 per year, for the special events permits?
[5:18] No, this will be the same correct.
[5:20] Okay, so there is an unlimited amount of special events permits, the $150 permit that we can
[5:24] apply for, that also includes the liqueur, temporary liqueur license for 24 hours.
[5:29] No.
[5:31] I believe there's only a little bit of time that you can get throughout for your calendar year.
[5:35] With a class F?
[5:36] With a class F.
[5:37] So this class F is a separate thing from a special event?
[5:41] No, the class F.
[5:42] The class F is what allows you to serve alcohol in that common sense.
[5:48] A special event would be if you were having a sporting event, we'll just say something indoors,
[6:00] And I'm forgetting the number of people, the number of people off here, that any time you have greater than X number of people
[6:08] expected to attend something
[6:11] That requires a special event license. Okay, so if you're having a car show. Yeah, we'll just say that. Okay
[6:18] Outside no alcohol being true, but you're expecting this number of people. I want to say it's 150
[6:23] I'd have to look at the rodents, but just don't know
[6:26] If you're having that, you have to come in and ask for a special event license to have that event.
[6:33] If you're also looking to serve alcohol, then you need the one-day class half liquor license to do that.
[6:41] So as an example of that, when St. Basil's Church runs one of their parties, they come in front of us to have a class half.
[6:51] even though it's a congregation, they're having an event with it, expecting that many people,
[6:57] and they want to sort of be alcohol to get the special event license, and they get the alcohol license.
[7:02] Yep. Okay, so when I've been filling out the permit application for the special event permit,
[7:09] that class app is kind of included in that application, very remembered correctly. So would I be able to
[7:17] file a application and then not request a class app within that application and
[7:24] then that would in turn if we wanted to do a smaller event with a class p
[7:30] catering license serving alcohol then that would then make that permissible
[7:35] because you're saying if I have a special events permit then well special event
[7:42] makes it so that I can have a class p catering company come in and sort of
[7:47] alcohol at, say, I don't want to have a jazz event with a gallery.
[7:53] I'm going to have to throw that to the solicitor of that.
[8:05] Okay, cool.
[8:07] I think we have your contact info too.
[8:09] I mean, so yeah, if you want to call, we have to do that.
[8:12] Sure.
[8:15] And then, as far as the, like, a per- and more permanent liquor license,
[8:21] I think I heard that there's aren't any of those available currently in town.
[8:25] Well, are you a restaurant?
[8:27] What's that?
[8:27] Are you a restaurant?
[8:28] No.
[8:29] No, I'm a food.
[8:30] Okay.
[8:31] If there's this thing,
[8:31] do we raise wine license?
[8:34] Are you serving food?
[8:36] We could.
[8:37] Like, I mean,
[8:38] So there you have to go through.
[8:39] Like, will we serve popcorn?
[8:40] Then you have to go through
[8:41] a department of health.
[8:42] You have that.
[8:43] Yeah.
[8:43] You have to have a food service license
[8:46] and you have to get a victory license.
[8:49] Yeah, you have to applaud.
[8:50] We're just trying to find a way.
[8:52] Usually we don't usually do much more than
[8:54] one event a month, but it is difficult to sustain financially and pay for the space
[9:00] of one event a month, which I are best. So I'm just trying to figure out a way
[9:04] where in the case where there's a problem with a permit or in the case that we would
[9:10] like to do another smaller event with alcohol in a month, how we can go about
[9:14] doing that. So I guess we can follow up on the final and special events permit, not
[9:20] with a class at a license and potentially having a class pre-decaturated or
[9:23] come in. So what you're looking to do is kind of circumvent and run a
[9:27] nightclub one time a month and not be normal business but be a nightclub.
[9:34] What would the other option be in terms of like more permanently? We don't have
[9:41] nightclub licenses, you'd have to go. I mean I'm not sure it's everything is
[9:48] still faced around like having artists and gallery artists of all kinds. We just did a fashion
[9:55] show with seven different designers from Massachusetts and Rhode Island. We do painters. There's
[10:00] a lot of different mediums of reshining bringing together through this inquiry and economy for like
[10:06] local artists to get together and network as well as a financial economy. So yeah, just trying to
[10:12] not try to make like a nightclub this the last thing in the US want there to be honest. It's a lot
[10:16] responsibility and we each have our own lives to tend to but it is something nice to have
[10:22] in our community as far as not having a space for us to do these events and like I said,
[10:29] give an economy for artists in our network. So yeah, I'm just trying to figure out a way
[10:34] that we can do if we want to do another small event to help supplement the space and create more.
[10:42] revenue as well as do some different things.
[10:49] So I will follow up with the solicitor on that issue and I think that's about it for me if you guys have any questions.
[10:57] Mr. President, I certainly have some questions and I may be missing form and I just turned 50 a couple of months ago so I may be old.
[11:06] But my idea of an art show would be, you have, you know, I walk into your establishment,
[11:18] I see art hanging, I see sculptures, I see other different types of art, and I'm walking
[11:27] around maybe with my wife and a glass of more love and we're thinking about bidding on
[11:33] this picture or that piece of sculpture okay this whole time that's what I
[11:38] had in my mind but what's happening there is not that it takes the form as
[11:48] I have more of a once a month club with DJs and I have a police report here
[12:00] from a gentleman that was intoxicated who says stated that there was no art on display.
[12:09] Yeah, we talked to the police chief about that and that is a completely ridiculous claim.
[12:14] We've invited the police inside of our space multiple times and I think that they could directly dispute
[12:19] the claim of this person who I don't know who it is, but our entire space is completely riddled
[12:27] with sculpture and fabrication art, metal with fabrication.
[12:31] Our walls are completely covered with gallery art and paintings.
[12:36] We have temporary walls set up inside the venue with paintings and other art.
[12:42] We have projection artists projecting literally every square inch of our space is completely covered
[12:47] in some form of art.
[12:49] And in one way or the other, and we definitely consider the music art as well when it's a part
[12:54] of the ITC experience that would offer?
[12:57] Like, and I could be way off.
[13:00] I sort of googled reliquarium and I saw all these pitches of essentially, it looked
[13:06] like a rave.
[13:07] I don't know if that was your establishment or some other establishment so I'm going to
[13:12] give you the benefit of that out but it's just reading these police reports and it certainly
[13:20] gives me points.
[13:20] which, other than that, one police report from this person?
[13:25] Well, there was a police report that was taken.
[13:35] The fellow that was intoxicated was December 17th.
[13:40] And then it looks like I'm not
[13:47] curious why January 21st
[13:49] did you, you had a function without obtaining a license from us?
[13:56] I'd have to refer back to that, but we apply for licenses unless it's a private event,
[14:01] which we don't do often at all.
[14:05] But I'm also just curious why this, why a police support like that would be your first
[14:09] reference, like for something like that, when the police and, I mean, just in our last event
[14:14] we had for a police show up, and they mentioned that they were sent there, we did not have a
[14:20] I know I was complaining.
[14:21] So they've had a perfect look at our space
[14:25] and what we're doing multiple times.
[14:27] So I think that maybe they would be a better reference
[14:30] to check into as far as like what we actually do,
[14:34] than a person who I can't even confirm is in our space.
[14:41] But yeah, there's music at our events,
[14:44] and people who are adults like to come out
[14:47] and dance to music,
[14:49] and I don't think that discredits the artistic nature of what we do around, or definitely very proud of the amount of diverse.
[15:15] It just seems like when we think of a special event, I think we think of one of our business establishments having a special event.
[15:28] So, it's not the main source of the income where it's something that is special.
[15:34] Maybe they come to us two or three times a year and have an event similar to the, you
[15:39] know, I think, what President Maxson is referencing is on Higgins and Avenue, there's, uh,
[15:47] uh, uh, Car show, right?
[15:50] So typically, this establishment does, I think, paintball or something like that, but they're
[15:56] having a special event once a year, a car show, and it just seems like you're
[16:01] coming in every month asking for a special use, a special permit, and a special
[16:08] liquor license where it's supposed to be special, not. I mean, we're utilizing the
[16:15] amount of special licenses that were offered per year, so I don't really see why.
[16:21] If it's set up to allow a 10 per year, then I don't understand why I would be wrong with us to utilize this.
[16:31] We're figuring it out as we go.
[16:32] We're trying our best to work with you guys, to work with the Lord at least.
[16:36] We've done so in the past years in which we're trying to do what we do as well through this.
[16:41] We're going to try to interrupt that sort of ball state because you said you tried to work with us.
[16:47] So the last time we met with you, there was an issue about the license is not being paid
[16:53] and we had all these excuses coming from you guys about how busy you are and you could
[16:56] get here.
[16:57] Didn't know how to pay the bill and you expected us to reach out and beg you to come in and
[17:01] I mean there was a lot of that stuff going on.
[17:03] So you, you know, you wonder why we're a little bit, you know, I'm not finished yet, I'm not
[17:09] finished yet.
[17:09] We're a little standoffish to your attitude towards this body and towards the clerk and towards
[17:14] town hall.
[17:14] So, you know, you're coming in tonight and you're asking us questions like,
[17:19] we're on the stand here at your at your leisure. I mean it's, we have questions for you too.
[17:26] Yeah, absolutely. I'm more than happy to answer any questions and I don't.
[17:30] And now my attention to all of me, any of you feel like you're on the stand and respectfully
[17:34] just trying to see what I can do to do my job better in this situation.
[17:38] I'm not the one who's been talking with you guys normally.
[17:43] But I am taking over more responsibility as far as this area of what we do, which is why I'm making an effort to come on and talk with you guys.
[17:52] And I apologize if you guys feel this respect in any way from any past conversations, because it's definitely my personal intention to have a friend of your relationship with you guys.
[18:03] And be the best that I can to follow your guidelines and learn what exactly I need to do.
[18:10] If I may Ms. President, so we're very transparent up there and we would hope anybody that comes
[18:15] for us transparent. I think another problem is we've dealt with the young lady from your place,
[18:20] we're dealing with a lot of different places. It's a lot easier for them to deal with one face all
[18:24] the time. Yeah. So we can have the answers we're looking for.
[18:29] We're very fair, we're very business
[18:31] friendly. We don't like to be hoodwinked or someone's playing a game on us and stuff like that. We're
[18:38] very fear if you come to us and you say this is what I want to do and we feel it fits
[18:46] within those rules and regulations, 99.9% of the time I'm going to do it, but I mean
[18:51] there's some things that just ain't had enough yet, like the police report, I read that
[18:55] and it's a little concerning. I mean, you don't know who this person was that said there was
[19:02] no ought in the building, granted maybe they were in another place, another place.
[19:07] There's more spaces in that building that have events.
[19:10] There's been issues with neighboring places
[19:14] such as the gym, which has had literal satins at their location.
[19:20] So we've kind of have been the past and mistakenly
[19:23] longed into some other other things like that.
[19:27] And just so you know, to go back to the beginning,
[19:29] we are in like a bit of a transition period, which is why I'm
[19:32] starting to come in and talk with you guys more
[19:34] is that area of the building and the venue is something that I'm going to be
[19:40] taking over more control of and potentially as well as as an expire because
[19:46] I think from day one dealing with us we've always been pretty accommodating with
[19:50] you folks and trying to I mean the young lady that came up there about the
[19:54] payment was just she had more more excuses than anything I've ever seen in my life
[19:59] yeah they have a lot going on so yeah I mean so I mean it's it's it's hard for us to to sit here
[20:05] and that question what's going on and this you like I said she was I didn't know like a pay online
[20:11] I didn't know I had to come to town all to pay I didn't know this I didn't know that like if you're
[20:15] gonna run an event you should probably know what the heck you gotta do yeah that would that that's
[20:19] been a problem is there's no written kind of script for doing this thing in front of the beginning
[20:24] This has been kind of like a it seems like a bit of a different thing for the town in general
[20:30] So we're just like on the fly trying to find out I can't speak for them in terms of their private interactions with you
[20:35] It's stuff that I have in there, but at least for myself like um, I would just assume if someone was gonna run
[20:40] To something at your place and they would know they have to come see you
[20:45] They cannot be like oh, I had to come to town. Oh, I couldn't be online. It was just
[20:51] I mean, it's been problem sum not getting straight answers and dealing with one person that comes
[20:59] to real problem.
[20:59] You know what I mean?
[21:00] It's customer Rousseau's district so of course he's going to want to really, you know,
[21:05] need to lend on it, make sure everything's done right because he's the one that's going
[21:07] to have to hear all the problems.
[21:09] Yeah, absolutely.
[21:10] And we can understand.
[21:11] We want to help in the open and be good to business but I mean business is also going to
[21:16] play well back with us.
[21:17] Let us know what's going on.
[21:18] Absolutely.
[21:19] That's my straightforward. We don't want our businesses to have to utilize our belief so fire unless they really have to
[21:28] I'm looking at this here
[21:32] This is an advertisement for your art show. That is a preliminary fire
[21:37] Which just features the music. Yeah, it doesn't I mean, I can you have to agree if I'm looking at this it looks like
[21:45] Club night. I mean you do look at a lot of things and making assumptions
[21:48] based off of like one piece of the puzzle but I can let I can send you multiple different
[21:54] flyers that have a lot more information with that it's it takes time when you're rolling
[21:58] on event three months in advance and to put all the information in once there's a lot of organizing
[22:03] to do with the artists and stuff and that goes in sort of a tiered structure but I can let you know
[22:09] right now for that out we had 17 visual artists represented seven artists and vendors represented
[22:14] six performing artists such as dancers and seven music artists represented so yeah I think I'm
[22:23] going to go back to what Coltsman-Russel said though. No art is being advertised on that. The
[22:33] literal flyer is the design of the owl is a design that looking where does it say come and support
[22:39] What you're modest, where's it say artist for sale?
[22:42] Where's it say?
[22:43] So that's what I call a fly right now.
[22:46] I call that's a later iteration of that flyer,
[22:48] which literally has all this information on it.
[22:52] But this one has one flyer.
[22:54] Nothing on it.
[22:55] It has something on it.
[22:56] It has music artists.
[22:58] And it has art that we have designed ourselves
[23:01] that was fabricated into a giant structure made out of metal.
[23:08] It's yeah, it's a representation of a portion of what we're doing and there is art involved
[23:15] They I'm looking at your site right now, so they all they all look like this so they're all music based I
[23:24] mean
[23:24] That goes back to May this one's October
[23:29] I think we can like if you guys want to have
[23:32] No, no, this is not for debate. We're telling you where we're sitting up here. What it appears that it appears that what you're trying to do
[23:40] There's be a nightclub one night a month and you're trying to circumvent that by going into
[23:47] by saying that it's tied to art and using a special event license and we do not have nightclubs
[23:52] in the town. We have no license for that. And a special event is something that gets granted to you.
[23:59] It's not something that you have a right to. It's not something that everybody can have ten
[24:04] a minute. Right. It can apply. It doesn't mean that they have to be approved. That is in.
[24:08] Okay, so where we're coming from is what we've seen stuff that we've seen online through Instagrams and stuff at that place makes it look like a
[24:20] nightclub more than an art show and my kind of getting that across to you. That's how it seems and when you come up here and you say
[24:30] that you need to run a nightclub in order to support your rent and in order to support the
[24:35] honest in order to spot this and you have to sell liquor. Well maybe I can use this
[24:39] on the place and have them come in and do this and I'll have it as a smaller
[24:41] thing but now you know how do we know how many people are going to go through
[24:44] the door when you sell and tickets online it really seems that you're trying to
[24:48] work around the system and I think I speak for the council and I say we do not
[24:53] tolerate that. Definitely not trying to work around the system and also like so
[25:01] we're under the I feel like we're being placed under an umbrella of this this
[25:05] general normal idea of what an art gallery is and I just don't understand like
[25:12] how we are being discounted for the art gallery and the art nature of our
[25:18] events because we have music and people dance. You can have an art gallery, you can
[25:23] have whatever you want to do with art but when you're selling tickets, when
[25:27] you're selling alcohol, when you're open to 130 in the morning, when we have an
[25:31] one responsive person who went to your event in the parking lot at 4.30 in the morning
[25:36] being abandoned there because it did not have a ride, that brings it to a nightclub level.
[25:44] Grave Reeve tonight at the Reliquarium.
[25:47] Yeah, it's the experience of all of it.
[25:50] This is that right you guys?
[25:51] This is March 16th, 2024.
[25:53] Do you have a license for that yet?
[25:54] You're already advertising it.
[25:55] We have not applied for a license.
[25:58] But these are all, I mean we could look right here and see it.
[26:02] Yeah.
[26:02] It's fine. We obviously know everything we put online together, looking at at this point.
[26:08] We're not trying to hide anything from you. We invite the police when you send them
[26:13] inside of our venue every single time, which is definitely not a nice environment for patients
[26:20] at an event to experience. We are not sending the police. The constantly call the police
[26:26] I'm going to say go check this place out with someone standing in the place because we didn't go out.
[26:30] Could be one of your neighbors.
[26:32] Could be one of your neighbors.
[26:33] I literally confirmed with him that we had no complaints and they literally told me that they were sitting there.
[26:38] Because I don't know who was sitting there.
[26:39] I'll tell you, it was me.
[26:41] Because I heard it.
[26:43] Because the party, your event was still going on and you do not have a license for the event.
[26:48] So you still held an event without a license, without a special event license.
[26:53] We try to get a special event. I don't care if you try. Let me say it again. Clearly. Yeah. You held an event without a special event license. Are we required to have a special event license on a event under 150 people? We're not serving alcohol.
[27:09] If you're happy when it's open and you're selling tickets, how do we know that you have under 150?
[27:16] That is why we sent Laura for us to get to see them in that conversation then.
[27:21] You can't look for that now?
[27:22] I can't, so I cannot do an event because you guys can't prove how many tickets we're selling?
[27:27] No, let's back up on this, okay?
[27:31] You were selling tickets online.
[27:33] Yeah.
[27:33] You were advertising an event that you did not have a special event license for.
[27:36] Because of that, we wanted law enforcement to go there to see how many people were there and to see what if you were violating the law.
[27:46] Yup, and we let them into our venue immediately upon arrival and allowed them to look at anything they wanted and they left satisfied with what they saw.
[27:57] We had under 150 people, we sold under 150 tickets.
[28:00] So there's no problem. Okay. Okay. Then why am I being like basically yelled at for
[28:07] holding an event because you're never listening. You're not using your ears. You're using
[28:10] your mouth. I'll try my best. Okay. I'm not sure I'm saying. If you're having an event
[28:14] and you're posting events online that you don't have a license for, yes, we're going to send
[28:18] someone down there to make sure you're not violating the parameters of the statute. That's
[28:23] written. Okay, but we're allowed to have events under 150 people on it. You guys don't give
[28:28] me away to show you that we're having under 150 people and you need to send
[28:33] the cops and I guess that's the way that we have to do it but that seems
[28:36] like a ridiculous way to handle a situation but if you want to send the
[28:44] cops and every time we have a amount without a permit I guess we'll just have to
[28:48] deal with that the best we can. Mr. President, what would we might have to do
[28:51] eventually? There's an ask for a pay detail if that's what's gonna happen if
[28:55] every time the one I've an event.
[28:57] We'll have to have a paid police officer detail here.
[28:59] If that's going to be a case,
[29:02] well, I mean, it could be seem like I'm doing anything
[29:04] outside of the house.
[29:05] What I'm saying is, if we can require that as the board
[29:11] that decides if you have these events or not, you'll say
[29:16] in how can we tell if the one that's 50 people are a police
[29:19] officer will be able to come ahead when they come in.
[29:22] And that's the only having a police officer on the other
[29:25] You don't want to just, you don't want to just set me, you just said it was, how, how, how, how, I get a little figure out a way to let you people know?
[29:32] Yeah, I know. And that's one solution. I got a number of disaster. And that is the only solution to, uh,
[29:38] could take care of that. Could I ask a question?
[29:40] Yes.
[29:40] So this special event that wasn't licensed, was there alcohol being served?
[29:45] Absolutely not.
[29:46] And we allowed the cops in and they seemed like they were concerned with that fact, which I kind of expected.
[29:52] Could I, could I, could I, we have the chief in house tonight if I could ask the chief?
[29:55] Yep.
[29:56] Uh-huh.
[29:57] Yes, on that night, I sent officers up there.
[30:00] That he was very, very accommodating. There was outlaw and his statement was, if there's outlaw, they brought it. I didn't sell it. There was a scary guy. I think he should be responsible. Who brings outlaw until the establishment, or until a business? You don't bring outlaw until a pop is shot. Why would you bring an act of an outlaw? And there was a clothing show that night. And there was a wrap with six shirts.
[30:29] on it, in that one room. There was anywhere around 75 people in the room, one rat, one rat.
[30:37] There was one rat right there.
[30:38] Like a wild plenty of video footage to show that.
[30:41] Sure.
[30:42] Other one, yeah.
[30:42] But to see that, that's what the police officers told me. There was one rat, you got it.
[30:46] Thank you.
[30:47] And just so you know, the building is never been inspected by the town building inspected.
[30:52] Nor has the fire inspected it in there to see if it's a safe environment to have an event like that.
[31:00] Thank you.
[31:13] Okay,
[31:21] next is an update on a neighbor's complaint on Canaveral Restaurant on French Street.
[31:26] Mr. Bradley, I have some neighbors here that would like to come up and speak in regards to this.
[31:30] Sure.
[31:35] Can you just put them like that?
[31:37] Thank you.
[31:38] Thank you.
[31:38] I know people on the housing company are doing a lot of good.
[31:43] I know.
[31:43] Christina Willingham.
[31:45] You're welcome.
[31:46] 20 plus and three.
[31:48] Thank you.
[31:49] I'm looking.
[31:50] This is not concerning this restaurant with the odor.
[31:54] I know the last meeting was there, wanted out.
[31:58] I don't think this is my place.
[31:59] I don't think this is my place.
[31:59] I'm going to say things wanted a liquid license.
[32:02] I know Mr. Del Sesto told him about the odor.
[32:06] or they had to get this order taken care of it so they could get the liquor license.
[32:12] And they ended up getting the liquor license but they still dealing with the owner.
[32:17] It's very bad. It's worse than it's other than.
[32:20] They were here three years ago when they started, it was that then you could actually see it coming out of the chimney.
[32:26] That's how it was so thick. And you call it and you ask the hell.
[32:31] So I called the town, nothing we can do about it, so he ends up calling other people.
[32:36] I didn't even call the governor's office, but I wanted to know what anybody could do about
[32:41] this because it is so strong that you can't go outside.
[32:45] And right now with this new owner, it is so bad that it burns your eyes.
[32:51] You just cannot go outside.
[32:53] So we're in our homes, we can't even go outside and enjoy our yachts.
[32:59] It's that bad.
[33:00] and you go and you talk to somebody and nothing more like Bruce came over, it's not, it's a wave, it will come over in a wave, it will be bad, it will bring you rise, and then it's going, and then it's fine when it's late, it will come out again, and then it's just so, it's, this moment you wouldn't even be able to stand it for three minutes, if that, and you go over it and I went over there to talk to them when they knew I wanted you to hurry open, because we could already snub it.
[33:29] So I asked him, did you get your liquor license, and he just completely ignored me and just kept
[33:34] him talking about how great the place is and you should come over here, haven't you ever
[33:40] been in my guess? I have a glass of wine, and I'm like, well, I guess you've got your liquor
[33:44] license. And he just kept on talking, when I ran out the other, and when I'm talking to him,
[33:51] and this is brutal, the cook came out of the kitchen and started swimming at me.
[33:56] And this point in me is telling me, I always spend $400 on this.
[34:00] You're not going to make me do anything else.
[34:02] And I was way back to the kitchen.
[34:04] He's at you and all this other stuff.
[34:07] And I looked at the owner and he didn't say anything.
[34:11] He just kept on talking about how great the place is, being my guest.
[34:15] And I said, no, I don't want to talk to him.
[34:17] I'm going to go home.
[34:18] So I went back home.
[34:19] And this is that going on for three years.
[34:22] in this right now with the new order, it's worse than now.
[34:26] It's almost plastic. I don't even call it an odor anymore.
[34:29] I call it pollution.
[34:31] Because if you look up the definition of pollution,
[34:33] it's when it affects the environment and makes people sick.
[34:38] So it makes us sick, burning our eyes.
[34:41] So we don't, you know, we want to know why they are continuing
[34:45] to be in business.
[34:48] When I call them, and I've been over there,
[34:50] and it's the same thing over again.
[34:52] And what they told me one time, the old owner,
[34:55] and he said, well, you can't do anything about it.
[34:58] We're not open on one day.
[35:01] I said, you're not open on one day,
[35:02] but you're still cooking on one day.
[35:04] And that's all they get to say to you,
[35:05] well, we're not open on one day.
[35:07] I said, so that must be the only day
[35:08] that we can go outside then.
[35:11] It's serious.
[35:13] It's not all of this is just an order.
[35:15] It's really an actually prevention from going out.
[35:18] Like, my back windows had never been open in three years, you know, and it's, I wasn't
[35:24] going to get into this, but I'm going to have to, I have curtains that I've worked
[35:28] to put over my windows to keep that order out.
[35:31] And I've also put, you know, the, um, the drag lockers all around, in my back room, and I've
[35:40] also put plastic sheeting on the windows outside to keep that order from coming into my home.
[35:46] Because that's what it's doing. It's coming into my home now. It's that that it's oil and spices and oil and spices. I
[35:54] Evacuate up you know and they and they sent so when that order comes in it comes right into my eyes
[36:00] Right into my home and it goes past my home on to Hope Street. So dubbing floodger that was not hope street
[36:06] I talked to him. He says I can smell it on the head because it's really bad today
[36:10] So you can imagine how bad it is where I live if it's going over at Hope Street
[36:15] If you're not what holds for you this, you know, it's bad and I think that's just it's
[36:22] It's concerning it should be it should be checked into so they use it all the time you find out what they did wrong
[36:29] They didn't they didn't buy the filter that they were supposed to get
[36:33] $400 that's not what they were supposed to be spending. They not only have the
[36:38] The young
[36:40] Whatever they were supposed to buy they didn't buy that
[36:46] So, Ms. Willonane called me several times,
[36:49] and I've gone over there,
[36:52] I've been able to make it a few times,
[36:53] but work is kind of not allowed me
[36:55] to get over there sometime.
[36:56] The times I've been there, I've smelled a cooking,
[37:00] but I've been smelling as strong as she is,
[37:02] and she tells me it's, they're not the hand man.
[37:05] You know, and I just, I can't get there.
[37:10] I've talked to her about this.
[37:12] I've never got no complaints from anybody else,
[37:14] but I see there's other folks here tonight.
[37:15] I know some people might just be too nervous to complain.
[37:19] One person did complain about the place one day there was trash left outside the door.
[37:24] Excuse me, I went over there, spoke to the folks in there, made him move all the trash.
[37:29] I don't know that it's happened again because I've never got another complaint so they complied
[37:33] with that when I went over there and asked him.
[37:35] You have to ask my name, but she's the one who sent me this.
[37:39] Excuse me.
[37:39] I got a little cold.
[37:41] So, I went over there and they complied with it.
[37:45] I just haven't been able to be over there the time, where she says it smells like that's
[37:49] why can't sit there and go, yes I've smelled it.
[37:52] When I call, it's when it's bad, not a lot of times people can't just drop anything and
[38:00] come over when it's bad, because you've got to come over, they say, like, Phil told me,
[38:05] call me and I'll come over, but you've got to come over when I call you, you know, because
[38:10] it's going to come in and then it's going to leave. Five minutes later it'll be back again.
[38:14] It's like a wave, you know, but it's, it's, I'm going to say it's brutal. It's something
[38:20] that you just, we shouldn't be out there, you know, having to breathe that.
[38:23] And I do know that supposedly our field have to answer this but our gentlemen from the town
[38:31] went over there and inspected the system they put in and they've seen the receipts and stuff
[38:36] like that. So, um, if it is a filter, maybe they need a different filter, but I don't know.
[38:42] Interesting. Right. I can tell you that, um, when you go for a inspection, they inspect the
[38:48] kitchen. They look at everything. The fridges, the food, how it's prepared, the, the, the, the
[38:54] sole, everything in the kitchen, and then look to see if you have ventilation, but that's it.
[39:00] They're not going to go and stand on the root to see if there's an odor coming out of it,
[39:03] or go around the block.
[39:05] I don't think that's the occasion he did specifically go to look for that because we kind
[39:10] of ordered them to do that.
[39:13] And he told us it was there.
[39:15] So I don't know if I just, I don't really have an answer.
[39:20] I really don't.
[39:21] That's a good answer.
[39:22] I know this past Sunday, because I was sick, but I know my neighbor said, we do out Sunday
[39:28] and I said no, I wasn't able to go out to actually.
[39:30] It was very very strong.
[39:32] when it is is that you know we review the agenda last evening and I saw this on
[39:39] the agenda I left here it's probably around 6.45 driving home I go across
[39:45] 116 past the high school all over the road and I saw the cloud the cloud from
[39:50] watercraft and it's usually happens about that time of day and it's been going on
[39:55] there's Councilman Rousseau said since he was playing football like in high school
[39:58] Well, that's going to be what, 40-50 years ago?
[40:01] Wow.
[40:01] Come on.
[40:02] I just thought.
[40:03] So, my point is, is that restaurants, businesses, they exhaust various, you know,
[40:11] fuels, whether it's Indian food, whether it's coffee, whether it's Angela's Italian food,
[40:17] Greek food.
[40:18] I mean, it is, I don't know what we can do other than what we've already done is require them
[40:24] to put a scrubber in.
[40:25] So, you're not able to go outside?
[40:27] I don't know.
[40:27] Well, let me finish what I'm trying to say, and I'm not trying to cut you off, but
[40:30] at the point, I have a friend of mine who lives in that neighborhood and she hates the
[40:34] smell of autocrat coffee, but she realized, you know, she bought her house and there's
[40:39] a restaurant, I mean, that restaurant, there's a coffee roaster in the neighborhood and that's
[40:45] part of, unfortunately, you know, part of her neighborhood.
[40:50] You're not going to shut autocrat coffee down, you know.
[40:54] I'm not trying to belittle what you're dealing with, I'm just saying is, you know, I live in
[40:59] Mandel and I sometimes get the smell of Winsak, it's sewer being burned up in Winsak, you know,
[41:05] I've been living in my house for 38 years, all together we can 45, 46, you know, and I just can't,
[41:13] I just can't imagine anything like this ever happening to us because we've got this, we've got this
[41:23] We got a lot of things that have happened, but, you know, you've got somebody that comes in and I appreciate people having a business, but during a meeting on my life, you know, where I don't have company, I can't let people come to sit in my bad god and read that stuff, but it is bad.
[41:39] But I don't think we have any, if I'm speaking incorrectly, Mr. Solicitor, I don't think we have any authority to shut a restaurant down over exhaust from cooking.
[41:49] can come over? No, I'm just saying I don't think we have the authority. I would agree
[41:54] constantly. So that's I guess where I'll go. I don't think there's other than what
[42:00] we've done by requiring them to put up an exhaust scrubber to get their liquor
[42:04] license. I don't think there's much more we can do.
[42:10] So I'm stuck in the house and I
[42:12] can't go out. You know this this someone was it was horrible this summer because
[42:17] because I usually, you know, I open up the pool, I have a pool, and we usually have anybody
[42:24] over and I didn't have anything this summit because I just couldn't, I didn't have people
[42:28] subject to this sit in my yard and be gagging because and your eyes are burning. This is how bad
[42:35] it is, it's not over-smell. No, this is actually hurting us to be outside. And that's going
[42:41] be something something you should look into. It's not that's not normal just you know it's an order.
[42:52] Maybe we can just make sure that they're checking that filter and keeping it clean enough.
[42:59] We don't know that so maybe we can do that. The filter that I believe they have it's not the one
[43:04] they were supposed to get. I think the filter that they have just takes whatever is in the rest line
[43:09] and gets all back and just sends it off.
[43:12] Well, we've checked.
[43:13] We've probably needed to check on it.
[43:16] What you've said earlier,
[43:20] struck me because I'm pretty,
[43:24] I have a pretty bad asthma.
[43:26] And my name is old.
[43:28] I have five pets.
[43:29] Yeah.
[43:29] And I have to do what you do.
[43:33] The small, I have an old house.
[43:36] It's built in the sixties.
[43:38] So I cut the door, I was growing up, my dad couldn't use the fire place because of my asthma.
[43:47] So right now I put these little Mickey Mouse candlesticks to pretend it's a fire.
[43:55] But I can't understand what you're saying about having to fortify putting the plastic on.
[44:02] I mean, it looks ridiculous, but that's what I have to do.
[44:08] I can't go to my neighbors and tell them to put their fire out of it.
[44:12] It's normal.
[44:13] I can't.
[44:14] It's not a thing.
[44:15] Yeah.
[44:16] I can't, because I feel it's not really a comparison to where I'm from.
[44:23] Oh.
[44:24] You're really isn't it?
[44:25] Yeah.
[44:26] It just hit me that way.
[44:27] Don't type like this.
[44:28] Yeah.
[44:28] I'm just being in that.
[44:30] But, yeah, like, when you check out the filter,
[44:33] it's, and I wasn't going to talk about this,
[44:35] but see, when I called a while back,
[44:39] and I told Phil this to,
[44:41] when I called a while back to ask them,
[44:45] I called the governor's office,
[44:47] told me to call the health department,
[44:48] and the health department told me,
[44:50] you need to call the building department in your town.
[44:53] So, I did, and I had this woman
[44:55] and then that enter the phone and talk to me like I was garbage.
[45:00] In plain English, she said to me, what do you want us to do about this? I'm like, you are supposed to come here. Why haven't you come here yet? Just to see how bad it is, what smell, how bad it is, and do what? This is how this woman talked me. And do what? We're going to see how it is. I'm going to tell you the same thing over and over again. We can't do anything about it. And I said, who's we? I wonder who we, is it just you? Or is there a bunch of people that are getting together to tell me?
[45:27] And then I said to her what we tell us what we should do was why don't you just move?
[45:34] So what this woman said, my mother's blessed soul, she told me to move
[45:39] That's where your employees
[45:41] You know, this is this is outrageous that you're gonna tell anybody that calls you. Well, if you don't like it move
[45:50] This president just I can't so I was not aware of that direction and I apologize
[45:55] Did you ever find out who she is?
[45:58] There's only a couple of people in each of them
[46:00] because we have a film.
[46:02] I'm not aware that I certainly wouldn't condone
[46:05] the depot of failure, activity,
[46:06] or a lack of respect for reasons.
[46:09] I don't say it.
[46:10] In bullying, we talk several times.
[46:14] I did it for three weeks.
[46:16] And again, I know you've called and said
[46:18] you got a grandson of now,
[46:19] what I'd be in the meeting,
[46:20] or getting a middle of something,
[46:21] but for three weeks,
[46:22] I don't buy that because I live.
[46:24] I'm just saying half doesn't reach over from where you are.
[46:27] But I drive on my way to work, I drive down there to do it, and I drive by there to the evening.
[46:32] For three weeks, three times, I just throw action to a picture on my phone to show my track
[46:36] in my car.
[46:37] And I would go down to the homestead, I'd go sit in front of me, I was on a passenger's
[46:41] street, and I didn't stop.
[46:42] And I'm not saying that it doesn't go away, it's just going to be a time.
[46:46] But I've never been there to do stuff in those three weeks.
[46:49] I've actually sent them from the parking lot over there.
[46:51] I don't, I, I haven't spelled it, but I'm not saying that you haven't spelled it, but we have, I know what Councilman only is, is gone over there, I had a thought over the two.
[47:02] I don't know what resolution is, my conversation with the solicitor before was that at this point might be a civil action on your portfolio, you, you, you and your neighbors.
[47:14] I'm not sure what tools are the tools for the account counsel to enforce action on the
[47:20] account.
[47:21] I can't seem to say that I smell that if I haven't smelled it.
[47:25] So I'm not sure whether it sits with the counsel or the solicitors, but I'm certainly
[47:30] eating.
[47:31] I know people that you're here with tonight, and I have so much respect for all of you.
[47:34] And I know many of you for a long time.
[47:36] I understand.
[47:38] It's just a very precarious situation that we're out right now.
[47:41] But as far as the employee, you can either, the data that
[47:46] phone call happens, I will be happy to look into it,
[47:49] have a conversation.
[47:50] And what about them?
[47:51] What about me walking over there into talk to them?
[47:54] You know, a friendly manner in having that cook
[47:57] come out of this, that's where we have been.
[48:00] This is what we have in our neighborhood.
[48:02] And now we've lived here two, one, and had such a tight community
[48:05] to have somebody come over and take advantage.
[48:08] And not only care about the neighborhood
[48:10] with that they came into.
[48:12] So they're not residents, I am.
[48:14] Mr. Brother, if you want to find me, I would ask the administrator if he could set up a time
[48:20] where I could go over there with the building inspector.
[48:23] And we can look at this system and hopefully it'll be in an area where I can see to see if
[48:28] there's a filter that's clogged or something that's going on.
[48:32] And then I'd like to do a little research to, or maybe someone from the town to do a little
[48:36] research with some of the other Indian restaurants that are around the state and see if there's
[48:43] a system. I'm very compassionate to what she's going through. Again, unfortunately, I haven't
[48:50] smelled it, but she's been very, we've been in very, very much contact. I really want to find
[48:58] a solution for her. So I just wonder if I could maybe go over there with him with the building
[49:03] expect that he can show me where I don't know any of this stuff. I don't know what, I don't know
[49:07] what I was expecting from my house man. They think they're house man. Now because they've been
[49:11] inspected, it's nothing to do with what's coming out of there and is it they're choking us.
[49:16] I don't know but I'm saying if the filters clogged, but if something's different, I'm just looking
[49:21] for ways to resolve this, or at least trying to resolve it for you. I probably could like that.
[49:26] So I mean, I guess if I could set up an appointment, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, during the day,
[49:32] if I could give you a call tomorrow for like a try just so I can go over there and just
[49:36] look and see if there's something clogged up maybe the filter ain't sitting in the spot
[49:40] that it's supposed to be in right whatever maybe something's not right and we're just going
[49:44] to take a look at it and maybe it's off a little bit neat and then you smell going through the
[49:48] filter through a side of something like we have and you know we have a social put that we
[50:02] can't smell it. You might smell it. What day is it you win? You might smell it. If
[50:06] they're cooking certain things on such a day that you can smell it when you get to the door,
[50:11] which you're not smelling it around the block. And that's a big restaurant. It's not a restaurant.
[50:17] It's a social club and it's a cook. This person I feel is not really a cook. It's just
[50:23] somebody that comes in and cooks the food, but not really has the knowledge of what they're
[50:30] But I don't know if they're telling him it's bad, you know.
[50:35] I'd like to do things hands on to so I'd like to see this for myself.
[50:38] So if I could do that and listen, when I spoke to him the last time about the trash and
[50:43] very accommodating, I don't want to go on there like a bowl and I don't choose to.
[50:49] I think it was very disrespectful the way they talked to you and the owner shouldn't let
[50:53] that happen.
[50:54] But I can't do nothing about that.
[50:56] What I can do is go in there, hopefully with the town engineer and not the town engineer the building inspector look and sit down in the
[51:04] And I want no more work on it. I'm not enough, but if I can go in there and after that, I mean, I
[51:11] will try and
[51:13] See if we can ask someone from town just do a little research and ask what these other places use for filtration system
[51:19] See if the those cities and towns have gotten complaints from the neighbors around
[51:24] they're in the restaurants and see if if they haven't whatever system they
[51:28] might be worth using works. I mean I know I checked there wrong they have
[51:32] another restaurant I promise and they don't have good reviews over here so
[51:37] you want to check that out. I mean I'll use them but that's province. I mean I like
[51:41] I said I'll try and I'll call Phil tomorrow and try and set something on. I don't
[51:45] know that it's going to resolve the issue but at least it's me taking a look and
[51:49] with the building inspector and I can at least say I don't know anything about
[51:51] I knew there's stuff, but does that filter look like it's sitting right? Does that filter look like it needs to be changed just is that system still?
[51:59] I mean, it could be new, but I mean, when you're cooking that much, I mean, I would imagine you could get clogged up pretty quick.
[52:06] I guess that they were cooperative when I went over there. I mean, I know it's a different story or a resident, not a town official, so I'm sure they see a town official.
[52:15] like, well, I better be on my best behavior. Again, the way they spoke to you is so uncalled for, it's not fun.
[52:22] And I call them, like, I'll be, I'll need to get, you have to hurry up and get out of your house and get in your car.
[52:28] And vice versa, you don't want it, it's, it's a horrible smell. It's, you know, you can love it and you like the food.
[52:34] You can take a bath in it for a while I can't, but I don't want to smell it.
[52:38] You don't like the food?
[52:39] Well, I can't. I'm being forced to smell the stuff.
[52:42] I'm just joking, I'm sorry. I wasn't appropriate.
[52:45] I'm trying to make light of it.
[52:47] Yes, I was going to do parochi but I have a lot of joy to do.
[52:52] I don't know if anybody else wants to speak in regards to this but that's what I'd like to do.
[52:57] I had my friend, Cathy, and Katie.
[53:03] You must know who she is.
[53:04] She said, you want to stop over?
[53:06] She was leaving, I said stop by and over.
[53:07] She got under, got in my drive and got out and got his driver's in my door and did this.
[53:14] Because I can't believe how bad it is.
[53:16] She's here doing what I asked her.
[53:18] But that's what she was.
[53:19] People are just...
[53:22] She's my name.
[53:23] What is that?
[53:25] I took a ride just outside by side.
[53:27] And it's like almost like an alley and this is where the odor comes in.
[53:31] It comes straight through both of our yards.
[53:34] And then it takes off to Hope Street.
[53:35] This is the way it is and, you know, I'm trying to get hold of somebody that can go over and feed it up and just say, you know
[53:46] Something something is bad. Some people do you know I've even actually
[53:52] Tony was never back out with one day. Yeah, Kudos didn't true because he and he tried to make another another chance to get over there
[53:58] I just don't but I mean, yeah, he read the same time
[54:01] But let me see on that and what we can do about going and they're taking a look at seeing if there's anything out of place and this and that
[54:08] just
[54:10] On our own on my end just so because I'm just looking for a solution
[54:17] Three years. I know we've talked for three years
[54:20] Yeah, and that anything that bothers me is when I can't resolve something for so much
[54:24] I get it wasn't gonna do this because I you know
[54:27] This upsets me a lot and this song because my grandchildren were away a lot, you know, I can't and I had two of my grandchildren over and if he had a look on the slip over to me going with the pool
[54:39] So when I get ready to close it, I already took one of the stairs out so you can still go in and I said, but I don't know
[54:46] This is what I have to say to them, I don't know. So they're in the pool, I'm sitting on the deck with the towel over the office
[54:54] So I said, well, it's time to come in, you know, you've got soccer in the morning, come on, you're going to go in, and they got out of the pool, and I got their towels, and their towels reaped of this odor.
[55:05] It reaped. So I put them down and went and got the new towels, and I said, you know, get that eye and just go in the house.
[55:12] Yeah, you can't be out here anymore. And when Randall turned around and looked at me and said, it's okay, never smells really bad out there. I want to go in.
[55:19] And I'm just, I broke up in tears because when I get in my house, I can smell it in my
[55:25] ear.
[55:27] That's, to me, that's invasion.
[55:29] It's an invasion-wide property, me, personal, you know, and that's, that's just not,
[55:35] not right.
[55:36] That shouldn't be happening.
[55:38] You know, you can have an older, but when you're, when it's absolutely attacking people and
[55:43] causing them to be ill, burning your eyes, I mean, that's good at being something that easily
[55:48] checked out that's not that's not a normal way for us not to you know to have an
[55:54] exhaust coming on you know if it was like a dumb and don't it but I all right no
[56:01] I did when I was a kid I grew up next to a bakery but this is something that is
[56:05] so so intense and so strong I just can't stay outside maybe I think the name of
[56:18] Well, my name is Lydia Frater, I've been here since 1994, I live a 14-poison street.
[56:27] We do have a problem.
[56:29] We have a problem with the smell, we have a problem with rats.
[56:34] My husband called 12 of them last year, actually 13 altogether.
[56:42] Yes, what Chris says is true.
[56:45] We can't even breathe in a backyard.
[56:48] It's awful.
[56:50] It's now terrible.
[56:53] Something needs to be done.
[56:57] I am very upset and stressed regarding it to this situation.
[57:03] Because at the last time when we can't get to the meeting, like she says, they said they're only going to give the license for the liquor license as they're going to put a new fence.
[57:15] I've been in trouble in a lot of places, there's Indian restaurants, New York and other places, we don't smell this.
[57:25] They must do something, put a new fence, tell whatever it is needs to be done.
[57:32] They have to do it.
[57:34] All then the doors needs to be closed.
[57:36] It's impossible to be in a bad car.
[57:40] Impossible.
[57:41] Not every day, I mean, now all the time, that I know exactly how they call.
[57:47] They put all these spices together, any oil, they let all the spices go, the smell going
[57:53] is just, I live in a second floor, I own the house, I read the first floor a single father,
[58:02] and he also complains to the Lydia that smells so bad. It's impossible, it's no way, something
[58:08] needs to be done, something has the power and it's down, gotta do something, gotta do something, that's impossible.
[58:20] It's crazy, it's just crazy. I have the option to go live in Austin area. When I'm all
[58:27] the sun, why did I shoot with my house to go live with him? He is a modern woman with
[58:34] three bathrooms. Nice neighborhood. I don't want to move. Something needs to do something.
[58:40] And when I can't say, oh, I don't know as we can do something about it, I'm an enemy from
[58:47] truth.
[58:48] I respect the business, but they have to respect us too.
[58:53] I can shake and I'm nervous.
[58:56] Something needs to be done.
[58:57] It's nobody that I'm selling my house because a damn breath is not happening.
[59:03] And I'm all set.
[59:05] Thank you very much.
[59:13] We have to agree to tell you this.
[59:16] We have, her and I talk about, we call each other all the time, because we can't go out.
[59:22] And we have one time.
[59:24] And you think back at all the different times that we talk to each other.
[59:27] And we're over the fence, talking to each other, and we're both crying.
[59:31] Because who's going to help? Nobody wants to listen to us.
[59:33] something wants to help us. You know when you keep asking, you know, for help and nobody
[59:39] comes over and helps us. You know, it's not so much that I've been by, I drove by, you
[59:44] did it, get on it, come and stand like that, give it about ten minutes because it'll come,
[59:50] it'll go and it's like, you know, a wave. But you've got to feed it to know what we're going
[59:56] through. It's not anything that anybody should go through. No matter you shouldn't have
[1:00:01] It's, to me, it's dangerous, because if it's burning my eyes, it can't be helping to breathe.
[1:00:08] Well, he's going to follow up with the administrator, excuse me, you just add to it, I tried
[1:00:19] while I was sitting on a bunch of restaurants, so I'm sympathetic to the restaurants and
[1:00:24] to the neighbors of course.
[1:00:26] And so I called my friend that was an Indian restaurant and asked him what, he's got several
[1:00:31] Could I just ask you to put so much of the answer?
[1:00:33] Yeah, so he's got several.
[1:00:35] He said, he recommends, he doesn't do anything special,
[1:00:38] but he does monthly filter cleaning and hood cleaning.
[1:00:42] And he says that helps.
[1:00:44] So then I call Joe Christie, who's vice president of Tri-Mark,
[1:00:47] nationally, and they do good systems.
[1:00:50] He suggested that they work.
[1:00:52] There's something called the scrubber system.
[1:00:54] So like, if you're in a city, you can't have wood fights.
[1:00:57] He says, no, I'm in a city.
[1:00:58] I don't want to put an onus on the business, but there are some options out there, maybe
[1:01:03] the first one is just cleaning the hood system more often, that would be my recommendation
[1:01:08] if there's a compromise here.
[1:01:10] I don't know how to spell this.
[1:01:11] It's never ending.
[1:01:12] It's never ending.
[1:01:13] I'm just telling you, if you don't mind, if you don't mind, Joe, it's in fish chips file.
[1:01:18] It's going to stink or fish chips, and you're just going to ask for it.
[1:01:21] So that's kind of the nature of your business.
[1:01:24] But I don't know if there's just some commensive solution.
[1:01:27] This isn't my issue, but I have to be in the immediate past year around House Tower Association, so I started just reaching out to my hospitality folks on what they do, so I truly appreciate it.
[1:01:38] So I think the numbers of the guys who worked in it.
[1:01:41] The scrubber was something that they had to install before they got their liquor license, and they didn't install it and the building inspector had signed off on it.
[1:01:48] So that was...
[1:01:49] Oh, that wasn't installed.
[1:01:50] That was part of the stipulation.
[1:01:51] That was part of the stipulation that their liquor license was to install a scrubber.
[1:01:54] Yeah, I talked to Joe Christie, he says that's the one thing I should never do it, so.
[1:02:00] But that's why he's supposed to check to see what.
[1:02:02] He's been in the stock for three years, so should they have been spelling?
[1:02:07] It's just a question maybe at all.
[1:02:10] Yeah, but that was just what I was told.
[1:02:12] That's something he's told us.
[1:02:15] If I could do this, if I could get...
[1:02:17] I'll get you.
[1:02:18] All right, exactly.
[1:02:19] No, wait a minute.
[1:02:20] Trust me, we appreciate you stepping forward.
[1:02:23] We're trying to figure out a resolution.
[1:02:25] All right, thanks.
[1:02:25] Thank you.
[1:02:27] Thank you.
[1:02:28] What?
[1:02:29] I just stayed up.
[1:02:30] There was a conversation.
[1:02:31] You have to come to the mic.
[1:02:38] We'll remain 20 plus a street.
[1:02:40] We have a deal on the display.
[1:02:42] Keep we'll remain 24.
[1:02:44] Thank you.
[1:02:45] Bruce and I had dropped several times.
[1:02:48] And so listen up.
[1:02:49] When they were sitting in my yard one day,
[1:02:52] tell me I think you said that it was some type of situation that they infringe on your
[1:03:05] livelihood or
[1:03:08] your personal how you should hear from this issue of now he's
[1:03:18] something we could tell me so it wasn't Tony Tony was with me that day that's his
[1:03:23] I just want to clarify that, so he doesn't know what I'm going to say.
[1:03:27] You remember this guy?
[1:03:29] I do remember the conversation.
[1:03:31] I just wanted to read that.
[1:03:34] I think if he said it was a civil situation.
[1:03:38] I mean, I'd make this request.
[1:03:42] You've got to understand how frustrating this neighborhood is.
[1:03:45] Listen, I understand it.
[1:03:46] I've talked to your wife.
[1:03:49] Like I said, none of the neighbors have spoken to me, but I've spoken to a few wife.
[1:03:54] I want it.
[1:03:56] I'm a guy that gets pissed off if I can't resolve something for someone that I work for
[1:04:00] you folks.
[1:04:01] I really do.
[1:04:02] So, I hold on to that.
[1:04:05] So, let me do that.
[1:04:06] Let me try and get with the building inspector.
[1:04:08] Let me do that.
[1:04:09] I'm going to talk to the gentleman in the back as much information as I can from him and let
[1:04:14] us try and see if we can come up with a solution.
[1:04:17] It's been a long time.
[1:04:19] I know he's been through a lot three years and I'm about
[1:04:22] Get to be tied to a high-ranked I understand that so let me get at least let me do my due diligence again on this angle
[1:04:31] See I'm not throwing it on the summer. Nothing. I don't use my pool. I have my grandkids
[1:04:35] So let me do what I can do. What I can't hear Keith and then if that's nothing works. There's nothing works
[1:04:41] I've been in this town between owning and living 48 years
[1:04:46] And I'll put a full sail sign in the house tomorrow.
[1:04:49] So if nothing works, then we can have a conversation with the solicitor and regards to what he said
[1:04:55] to you that day and see what he says.
[1:04:58] I don't know if something the town can do, or if you guys are going to do it on a basis
[1:05:04] on your own.
[1:05:05] But let's get, let me dot some eyes across some T-sphere, stride, see if there's another
[1:05:11] way we can eliminate it, and if not, then we go to Tony and say, what was that, what were
[1:05:15] you were talking about that day and I know Tony's a straight guy. I believe what he said
[1:05:21] was to our advantage. I wreck it. I recall that too. It was more of some kind of civil
[1:05:28] action or so. I'm not mistaken. I'm not very good in the legal legal area. So let me
[1:05:35] do that and please I will follow through. I've followed you on just about everything I said.
[1:05:39] I would let me see if I can come up with that. If not, then we'll have a conversation
[1:05:44] with Tony and Tony of Directos on what we can do and what you folks can do and what you folks can't do.
[1:05:51] Thank you very much.
[1:05:52] Thank you very much.
[1:05:52] Yeah, I apologize.
[1:05:53] I have to go through this.
[1:06:03] Joanne McLaughlin, 45t of street.
[1:06:06] Thank you.
[1:06:07] I don't know why nobody smells that because I go by there every Saturday night and I'm going
[1:06:11] way back from work.
[1:06:12] Between 5 o'clock, 7 o'clock, and that smell is in my car running over a jet stump all the way down the road.
[1:06:20] So you can mock that day for a look because it smells terrible.
[1:06:25] You said from what time?
[1:06:27] Well I leave about six o'clock at work for more and so it's like between six and seven
[1:06:32] I'm going by that.
[1:06:34] I don't work in Saturday nights so I can make that trip.
[1:06:37] Please do because it's horrible.
[1:06:40] And even the people that leave in Minnesota and those elderly people, you know, they have
[1:06:44] issues along and you know daily life. Not being able to go set outside is pretty sad. So it is not a joke.
[1:06:53] I'll definitely go by that time.
[1:07:01] Okay.
[1:07:03] Does that conclude the update?
[1:07:06] I don't think so, Mr. President. Nobody else would like to speak in regards to it?
[1:07:11] I would just like to say that I would really like to be able to open my windows.
[1:07:17] I'm going to try and make that possible.
[1:07:21] In the court of the town council.
[1:07:24] The first item is the consent agenda.
[1:07:27] All items listed in the section are considered in that motion.
[1:07:31] There will be no separate discussion of these items,
[1:07:33] almost a password or request.
[1:07:35] In which event, item will be removed through the consent agenda.
[1:07:38] We have the minute approval.
[1:07:42] Consideration of local bills.
[1:07:49] We have a resolution from the town of Horton, a resolution from the town of Jamestown,
[1:07:55] and an email from William conciliates regarding the report of the housing funds award,
[1:08:00] and state mandated reports from Vanderbilt fire in the entire department.
[1:08:05] Thank you, is there any item on the agenda?
[1:08:07] I remember the council looked every move.
[1:08:08] Mr. President, I would like to pull all the claims under the storm claims, but 12, 17, 2023, 12, 18, 2023, and also I would like to pull the will-math claim.
[1:08:21] Okay.
[1:08:23] Is there anything else?
[1:08:24] As far as I believe, as you can tell us this is here tonight, this is a reference to
[1:08:31] having a talented action to approve the approval of the Port of Housing Funds for 2HT's
[1:08:39] last year.
[1:08:40] This is the individual purchasing 16.4 Lons of Latino.
[1:08:45] I'll remove that.
[1:08:46] Okay.
[1:08:48] Is there anything else?
[1:08:49] All
[1:08:52] right.
[1:08:53] I'll change the motion on the consent agenda.
[1:08:54] Motion approved.
[1:08:55] Motion approved from Council Mononey.
[1:08:56] Second, second by Councilman Pashette, any discussion?
[1:09:00] Hearing none all in favor?
[1:09:01] Aye.
[1:09:02] Councilman of the U.S. will storm clean from 12-17 to 12-18, 2023.
[1:09:07] Yes, ma'am.
[1:09:08] In a row, Mark.
[1:09:09] I'm sorry, Mr. President.
[1:09:10] The storm came from 12-17, 12-18, 2023.
[1:09:14] I'm just going to name a Montclaim, Carrigan Claim,
[1:09:16] Cruz Claim, Dolomis Claim, Ango Claim,
[1:09:19] Ferranti Claim, Robin Claim, Krieger Claim,
[1:09:22] Lucidi Claim, Ribero Claim, Rodriguez Claim,
[1:09:27] I'd like to make a motion to have all of those claims denied and sent to the trust.
[1:09:31] Motion to deny and send to the trust.
[1:09:33] Second.
[1:09:34] Seconded by Councilman Peshchep.
[1:09:36] Any discussion?
[1:09:38] On the favour?
[1:09:39] Aye.
[1:09:41] Councilman Wormaw.
[1:09:42] Mr. President, on the Wormaw's claim, I'd also like to make a motion to deny the claim and send
[1:09:47] it to the trust also.
[1:09:49] Motion to deny and send to the trust of the Councilman.
[1:09:51] Second.
[1:09:52] Second.
[1:09:53] Second.
[1:09:53] Second by Councilor Fescio.
[1:09:54] Any discussion?
[1:09:55] Hearing none on the favor.
[1:09:56] Aye.
[1:09:58] Next is the email from Mr. Kitsilis regarding 1624 Linesdale Avenue.
[1:10:07] Thank you, will you?
[1:10:09] We're discussing.
[1:10:11] Both of you can discuss.
[1:10:12] We'll discuss with Councilor Fescio.
[1:10:15] Second by Councilor Aeson.
[1:10:21] Aye.
[1:10:22] There's an answer to that.
[1:10:23] Go ahead and do a little bit.
[1:10:24] Yes, I got this.
[1:10:25] So this is actually a, we are at the goal line
[1:10:29] on finishing and validating the affordable housing
[1:10:33] project going on over to $1,600, $1,600.
[1:10:35] So I have those deals.
[1:10:36] Gladly building the last couple of minor hurdles,
[1:10:40] one of which is, which Chris Ellis has,
[1:10:43] he has a partner through the financing.
[1:10:46] He actually, through the award letters,
[1:10:49] he's going to be looking for the amendment to,
[1:10:51] including our profit that he's partnering with,
[1:10:53] to continue with the 100% affordable housing project.
[1:10:56] I believe that it's what he's here for.
[1:10:58] I do know that next week in our special meeting,
[1:11:02] he's looking for an action in by way of resolution,
[1:11:06] just explaining that the town will sign
[1:11:08] up on any claims on the time.
[1:11:10] So that will be a discussion next week.
[1:11:14] Yeah, right.
[1:11:16] Thought we were doing both, but took out one at a time.
[1:11:20] Do you guys have any questions on it?
[1:11:25] So I know when we spoke in executive session you know my concerns and we still stay into
[1:11:32] kind of what we talked about in executive sessions on the layout of the place, the amount
[1:11:38] of rooms, the nothing of the things.
[1:11:40] So this is a technical point for tax planning reasons.
[1:11:45] So, with Rhode Island housing, just getting the affordable housing funds, they require
[1:11:52] a monitoring agent and management team that has dealt with affordable housing.
[1:11:59] So they wouldn't let, they wouldn't let, you know, just anyone manage those properties
[1:12:04] on and on until they have a certain truck record.
[1:12:07] So to get the funding from the state so that they know that you're doing it, right?
[1:12:11] by the way this is 80% right now it's not you know it's a good little income model um they just
[1:12:20] are requiring a non-profit kind of when I brought the non-profit in because of the non-profit
[1:12:27] they were able to give us fines to take down the property um which is but they would only give it
[1:12:33] if a non-profit was a partner could we just structure the transactional value for the housing
[1:12:37] You have to be familiar with where there will be a partner with joint venture.
[1:12:43] And so we just are asking that the award letter be awarded to us and to actually just
[1:12:50] the value would be fine, but it doesn't make a difference.
[1:12:52] Value will take the money and contribute it into the joint venture and then the joint
[1:12:57] venture will use those funds to do, you know, you see, you see, the decent amount of environmental
[1:13:03] relief is expected as best as the other things that we talked about in America.
[1:13:06] So that stays exactly the same.
[1:13:08] And the second part of it, which would be discussion at three,
[1:13:11] except I would be away at a board meeting.
[1:13:13] So I'll just say it now, I don't know if it counts or not.
[1:13:17] But when the town took the land from Belonzil
[1:13:21] companies, they built the school in 1922.
[1:13:24] Belonzil companies put in a restricted covenant, which
[1:13:27] said a colony used for school school purposes
[1:13:28] that everyone's aware of, and already aware of.
[1:13:32] Belonzil companies were a predecessor
[1:13:33] and predecessors are an interest to Textron, but in 1953, I keep looking at it, I'm just
[1:13:40] a real lawyer.
[1:13:43] And I know exactly, you're telling me, yes, this is the law, I practice, you know.
[1:13:47] So there's the state legislator kind of nullified the rights of the voters, and so the title
[1:13:58] One company is willing to write titles for over that condition.
[1:14:02] With that said, tech companies give us a letter saying that they know just in the property
[1:14:06] that they acknowledge that they have no right to the river and that they will not seek
[1:14:13] to enforce the use restriction even without the river barrier.
[1:14:16] So it's a little nuanced issue there.
[1:14:18] So they gave us a letter to allow us to record that for the river, to satisfy the state.
[1:14:24] And at the same time, the state's in-house legal counsels are in-house and has asked the
[1:14:29] town council to affirm the resolution state that you, too, will not enforce the use restriction
[1:14:38] that can only be used as a school, which we feel is blatant in the obvious because you've
[1:14:43] approved its use in a foot of restrictive covenant to keep it affordable housing for 100 years.
[1:14:49] But for some reason, so I want at the state where I am, how do you do that?
[1:14:59] So...
[1:15:01] Excuse me. So that's why we'll come back to that special meeting. So if I could just ask you two quick things. All the affordable housing will not be selecting who lives there and anything like that. No, they just have as a margin agent. They just have to confer. So the state requires that the person can take 300 grand and come in and buy and run to the forum. So they're the only job is to be sure.
[1:15:28] In terms of selection, they will screen
[1:15:31] who's eligible, and then we will select who is.
[1:15:34] Do we know what price range that is of hand?
[1:15:36] The one on it?
[1:15:37] No, the affordable.
[1:15:39] Maybe, I think the combined income is from 60,000 to 80,000 bucks a year,
[1:15:44] but not at 80%.
[1:15:46] So it depends if it's like one or two people,
[1:15:49] and that the change is over time.
[1:15:50] And if a public, do you recall, I just, what the,
[1:15:55] the apartment's going to be, how many are single,
[1:16:01] 3 or 2 bedrooms, I think like 19 or 1 bedrooms and maybe even 2 or 3 bedrooms.
[1:16:10] And this is all, I mean, we're like, it's been all way approved, invented out, so.
[1:16:17] I just want to show the public in here, because I have a lot of people that always ask me about it.
[1:16:22] Some people think here are photobiles, and they, yeah, we, yeah, we misconstrued it.
[1:16:28] I mean the affordable housing, I think it's a lot different.
[1:16:30] The affordable housing isn't, you know, urban, more tight city, you know, I'm saying.
[1:16:36] Yeah.
[1:16:37] So, in the studio, you said there would be studios, you know, how many that is?
[1:16:42] When I say 18 and three, I said three nights.
[1:16:46] Three nights.
[1:16:47] You said three nights.
[1:16:48] Yeah.
[1:16:49] So, whatever the mind, 26 months, that.
[1:16:51] One.
[1:16:52] Thank you.
[1:16:52] I appreciate you.
[1:16:54] That's a great change.
[1:16:55] It's cool.
[1:16:56] It's close to that. I mean, that's written out exactly just off the top.
[1:17:02] This has been a busy day with emails trying to, again, it was in our story with what happened housing and kind of through this last meeting
[1:17:09] or lettuce. Well, get out and follow us. Yeah. Yeah, it's a massive challenge itself. But again, I'd like you to where actually men don't sleep to the referee for a chance of.
[1:17:18] I just noticed that looking at the letter, so it was actually administrative letter for the finance record that actually made it as an award.
[1:17:24] I'm sorry, I don't believe it actually costs for a council.
[1:17:29] The council already approved the funds to go forward with this project.
[1:17:33] I think it just mattered to me having a hard-to-finite extractor, re-write the letter and it hasn't
[1:17:39] reflected a valley.
[1:17:41] Cool.
[1:17:42] Mr. Speaker.
[1:17:44] Councillor Rousseau.
[1:17:45] I just think I'd be a little more comfortable if it has your organization and valley affordable.
[1:17:51] All in because I wouldn't want, not that this would happen, but Valley gets that money
[1:17:56] and then appropriates it.
[1:17:58] So it's another project.
[1:17:59] Yeah.
[1:17:59] They can't because we have a JD agreement and that's part of their contribution to the JD
[1:18:05] that they've signed so that I would have a cause of actually, that's a matter of fact.
[1:18:09] I don't feel that they're so, but they would do that.
[1:18:13] But it does.
[1:18:15] I understand.
[1:18:15] Yeah.
[1:18:15] But if it's not a big deal, technically, we could reward it directly to the JD.
[1:18:20] but I think we're, I think it's, I like it like this, just because it, it actually keeps the money from being taxed to us, because we're not nonprofit, they are.
[1:18:32] So if the money goes to them, it gets contributed by them, it stays non-taxable so we can use all of the funds without taking a tax charge on that.
[1:18:43] That's the reason.
[1:18:44] so you need to walk me through this. Two things have to happen. One is for the council to pass a resolution
[1:18:55] stating that we waive any right that it may have restrictions on the original deed, not only be used as a school. That's one item.
[1:19:04] second one which I just need to better explain to how we do it. We signed the
[1:19:12] purchase and sailed with you for the property. And we're now going to amend a
[1:19:23] resolution we did for town affordable housing and no longer include you. We're
[1:19:29] going to avoid you out of that and we're going to change that to Valley of
[1:19:33] affordable housing?
[1:19:34] Is that my correct one?
[1:19:36] Two days.
[1:19:37] It's too technical.
[1:19:38] I'm still thinking about confirming on both sides.
[1:19:42] So there's two parts to that.
[1:19:44] So I'm just a purchasing sale agreement.
[1:19:47] I will.
[1:19:47] I have the right as my assignment.
[1:19:49] And I'm going to assign the agreement to the JVD.
[1:19:55] I just assume we do that right at closing.
[1:19:57] So technically, the joint venture entity will be buying the school.
[1:20:01] Right?
[1:20:02] buying the school with money that we get in from the state, right? So the state
[1:20:07] to give us money to take down the property that's called the site opposition program and
[1:20:11] they would only let us do that if we had a nonprofit partner, so that's really
[1:20:16] long sale. So that's that piece. In this request tonight that that we're here
[1:20:24] in front of you is we're asking that long sale affordable housing ink be added to
[1:20:29] the award letter, so that way, when those funds are given a matter of time to do the project,
[1:20:36] they're given a long sale for tax reasons, and then a long sale can contribute to the
[1:20:41] equity that's buying the property.
[1:20:44] You keep saying long sale.
[1:20:46] You mean value.
[1:20:46] That's right.
[1:20:48] Thank you.
[1:20:49] It's a valid form.
[1:20:50] Yes.
[1:20:53] So, please bear with me again.
[1:20:55] And so this letter that says there's a hundred and twenty thousand going to Linesdale Memorial
[1:21:05] holding, that's going to change and say that there is a hundred and twenty thousand going
[1:21:10] to Valley for the House.
[1:21:14] Valley for the House.
[1:21:16] So that resolution needs to be amended because I agree with Councilor Russo if we just sent
[1:21:21] a letter, how does the finance director have the authority just to change her name?
[1:21:28] I agree with Mr. President. I believe this was approved by the Council going back when
[1:21:32] you agreed to, so since we are changing the entity, I think it makes sense to have the
[1:21:36] Council vote on that, and the resolution we can do that, the special meeting on Tuesday
[1:21:40] do.
[1:21:41] Thank you.
[1:21:42] Two resolutions on Tuesday.
[1:21:43] So, and then I would kind of just to give comfort to Cosmine Wischer's point, it's okay in the letter to say that this money is going to value affordable housing.
[1:21:53] At the end of the year we were trying to contribute the money to this project, to do this project.
[1:22:00] That's exactly what we're doing.
[1:22:02] I would just suggest that when the resolutions are written, if we could send them to the draft.
[1:22:09] a draft to you, to just run by either your counsel or your counsel, just so that sense
[1:22:16] they're happy.
[1:22:18] And just in terms of, so next week, I won't be here at Anshondas, I'm going to go to
[1:22:23] a way of business, but like at Sunday Park or John Scotch, I'll be your counsel in case
[1:22:29] a question puts up before you go ahead and have the resolutions vetted before the meeting.
[1:22:35] I think it'll be cleaner and mixed.
[1:22:36] So when he leaves, I'm leaving Monday, no.
[1:22:39] Monday, so you should have this no later than Friday,
[1:22:43] because it has to get posted.
[1:22:45] I'm going on, I can look at it.
[1:22:46] That's not an issue.
[1:22:47] Because it's supposed to be Tuesday.
[1:22:48] We'll get that out as soon as possible.
[1:22:50] We'll try to get them as soon as possible.
[1:22:53] Just one more suggestion.
[1:22:55] Don't ever change the penny out of luck there.
[1:22:57] Oh, it is.
[1:22:58] It's like, oh my god.
[1:23:00] And I did my envelope to get over the other night.
[1:23:02] It's just because you've forgotten it.
[1:23:04] No, my envelope got open the other night
[1:23:05] When I went here, we had the almost chicken tennis.
[1:23:09] Oh, good.
[1:23:10] All right, good.
[1:23:11] It's just you, you do it on the crossion.
[1:23:13] Not me.
[1:23:13] What in my mouth so long?
[1:23:16] I don't want you.
[1:23:17] Thank you, baby.
[1:23:17] Just one I am on the menu for.
[1:23:20] Be an butter and jelly for me.
[1:23:21] All right.
[1:23:23] Thank you.
[1:23:23] All right, thanks, guys.
[1:23:24] Thank you.
[1:23:25] Thank you.
[1:23:25] Thank you.
[1:23:27] I will extend a motion to accept the email communication
[1:23:31] from Mr. Kitsos.
[1:23:54] So I
[1:24:04] want to just address the ordinance that is going to be proposed, and I want to
[1:24:13] and refer to committee later during this meeting.
[1:24:17] I want to quickly acknowledge that I understand
[1:24:19] it's the first draft, and that it does have to go through
[1:24:21] that process, and there's a lot of work that still needs
[1:24:25] to go through with that.
[1:24:27] But I did just want to share a couple of thoughts
[1:24:30] that I had about the ordinance.
[1:24:34] Specifically, I didn't have a lot of time, but I took,
[1:24:37] I tried to go through every municipal code of ordinances
[1:24:42] and look to see what other residential parking permit systems look like.
[1:24:48] And I was surprised to find only about eight had them coded into their ordinances.
[1:24:54] And out of those eight that I saw, one specific point in the Lincoln ordinance
[1:25:00] that I think should be reviewed is the limit that no more than two vehicles
[1:25:05] per residential dwelling unit are eligible to receive a permit
[1:25:08] Unlike unless special circumstances are presented, after looking at all of those different ordinances,
[1:25:17] I didn't see anything from any other city or town that had a limit on the amount of residential
[1:25:23] parking permits for a dwelling unit.
[1:25:27] And I think that can raise some concerns.
[1:25:30] For example, if you have a family of two parents and a manager, and they only need to drive,
[1:25:37] They might be limited and their ability to get from their home and to their work and school and any other important places they need to go.
[1:25:49] And then the other point that I thought just a deserved review was the guest parking specifically saying that it may be permitted at the request of a folder upon notice to the police department.
[1:26:03] And while I do recognize needing to balance how we allow guests, especially if we do create residential parking permit zones,
[1:26:13] that specifically require any requests to the police department, might not exactly be the best way we do that.
[1:26:21] You know, for example, if you're just having a family member over for dinner or if you have a partner over and you just forget to make that call or you're having them over in the police department says, no, you can't have your partner over.
[1:26:36] I know that those are not necessarily likely scenarios, but they are possible scenarios under the current draft of the ordinance.
[1:26:45] and so I just want to make sure that it gets a lot of review to consider those
[1:26:49] edge cases where people might negatively be impacted even though they are
[1:26:54] Rhode Island, or Blinken residents. Thank you.
[1:26:58] Thank you.
[1:27:04] If he reads, hello, please keep in mind that many people visit people in their homes
[1:27:09] for healthcare reasons. Is there a way for many hormones to not make it harder for
[1:27:13] doctors, nurses, physical and occupational therapists, patient care
[1:27:18] assistance, home health aids, lab full-bottomists, x-ray techs, hospice workers, chaplains, et cetera,
[1:27:25] et cetera need to be able to park to care for people. These are important services to keep
[1:27:30] people in their homes in a single day and one patient may have four to six visitors. Also,
[1:27:35] often family members will rotate spending nights with elderly or disabled people, please consider
[1:27:39] making life easier for these folks. Also, consider dropping a requirement about having all
[1:27:45] parking tickets paid off. This seems an unfair punishment for people going to that neighborhood
[1:27:50] that does not bear down on people living in non-effective areas. Thank you for your consideration.
[1:27:56] All right.
[1:28:00] Okay. That will close public comment. I'm sorry. I just had a public comment by all means.
[1:28:08] I just wanted to sort of bring to the council's attention myself and the council president have been
[1:28:15] working on the comprehensive plan review committee as well as the administrative.
[1:28:21] And we're really doing, but the committee is doing a really good job.
[1:28:26] And we've had a lot of positive public input, much, I think, to the surprise of the consultant.
[1:28:35] We had a public forum which was well attended.
[1:28:39] and we sent out a survey that to the astonishment of our advisor garnered 327 responses.
[1:28:51] So I don't know if we're going to make this public at some point as to what the survey said,
[1:28:56] but I kind of like a little science major.
[1:29:00] So I kind of like looking at surveys because very infrequently at the town level,
[1:29:07] do we get to solicit responses from our constituents?
[1:29:16] Just I know we do that on the state level, we do it on a national level, but I'm pretty intrigued that we've gotten some input here.
[1:29:26] And just my preliminary looking at the data as well as some of the comments that were shared
[1:29:34] were and my brothers and sister on the council know one of the major
[1:29:42] concerns here in town is always speeding that wasn't addressed in this it's
[1:29:49] also people praise our school system which is addressed in this survey but
[1:29:55] development in the town. It seems to be at the forefront of...
[1:30:00] of people's minds. And we, as a council, we hear that when we listen to the people in
[1:30:06] Quinnville concerned about the effects of common farm. We hear that from people on Cobb
[1:30:13] Hill Road that talk about the effects of that new development. And most recently, with
[1:30:18] a lot of this water runoff, I'm hearing from my constituents, we never had a problem
[1:30:24] in this street or in this area until that lot was built on, or those houses were built.
[1:30:34] So we hear it, I think, as a council, often enough to know that our constituency
[1:30:42] consider overdeveloping Lincoln a problem.
[1:30:46] And ironic, not ironically, but I guess, purposefully,
[1:30:52] the survey sort of reflects that. When asked, do you feel Lincoln needs more or less of the
[1:31:02] these types of developments? 76% said the same amount or less single family. 81% said the same amount
[1:31:13] or less new subdivisions and 81% had said the same or less on multi-family dwellings and then when asked about
[1:31:26] you know one of the larger or something that we should focus on 88.9% said stricter regulation of development.
[1:31:38] So, this survey, I mean, I know I'm just taking a snapshot of some particular data that
[1:31:43] I was honed in on, and only because some of the comments, people are allowed to not
[1:31:48] only select these answers, but they also are able to put in comments as to their concerns.
[1:31:57] And there were a lot of great points that were brought up in the survey, but a constant
[1:32:02] was over development, effective development on schools, over clouding of classrooms due
[1:32:09] to development. So I see it here in data. We hear it as a council. And what I'm concerned
[1:32:18] about is that I don't think that our legislative delegation hears the concerns of our constituency.
[1:32:27] and I don't know if it's because of a lack of their focus or perhaps it's a
[1:32:36] lack of our efforts as a council to bring forth the concerns of pieces of
[1:32:44] legislation and say you know we're concerned about this piece of
[1:32:49] legislation and I'm sort of I'm focusing on land development and the recent
[1:32:54] changes to the zoning laws, but it could be anything.
[1:33:01] It could be our ability to bargain with our unions.
[1:33:04] We've reviewed some contracts last night.
[1:33:08] So I don't know if we're properly communicating the town's
[1:33:12] concerns to our legislative delegation.
[1:33:16] I think myself as a council person, I sort of rely on our
[1:33:21] administrator to be our microphone.
[1:33:23] And so he or she knows our concerns.
[1:33:32] And you convey that to our delegation.
[1:33:34] You convey that to the League of Cities and Towns,
[1:33:37] the League of Cities and Towns that was together joint statements.
[1:33:42] And this is really a long roundabout way of saying,
[1:33:45] I think that between now and the end of a legislative session,
[1:33:49] I think we should have a placeholder on the agenda where we're able to hear from the
[1:33:58] administrator, we're able to hear from the solicitors office as to any legislation that
[1:34:04] seems to be gaining momentum that is going to negatively impact the citizens of Lincoln.
[1:34:12] So they're were able to weigh in on that and get word out and unfortunately I think that
[1:34:18] that we're going to need to get word out in a more constructive way in the form of
[1:34:24] a resolution.
[1:34:25] I mean, we see as a council, especially as the legislative session really gains momentum.
[1:34:31] A lot of other cities and towns are constantly passing resolutions urging their legislative
[1:34:36] delegation to act or not act on a particular piece of legislation.
[1:34:42] And I can honestly say the last time, this council, one of the last times, this council
[1:34:49] actually took the initiative to resolute to our legislative delegation on some legislation
[1:34:59] that was going through the the state house was the last time they were all together in this
[1:35:03] chamber.
[1:35:04] They don't come to our meetings.
[1:35:06] things. So I just think that we as a council owe it to our constituency to make our feelings
[1:35:16] to channel our constituency's voices and concerns in the form of maybe resolutions or some
[1:35:23] takes some kind of more proactive role. And I just I didn't want to pick on the zoning regulations,
[1:35:30] But I just so happen to review the survey, and we have this meeting upcoming next week.
[1:35:37] And I'm thinking, gee, here's a clear indication that the citizens of Lincoln are not, you
[1:35:42] know, are in favor of local control or in favor of strict regulations.
[1:35:47] And here we have our legislative delegation actually voting for, essentially, the withdrawal
[1:35:54] of the zoning board.
[1:35:55] I mean, the zoning board is really not going to have a lot on their genism moving forward.
[1:35:59] so I just think some of our delegation has made some decisions in the past or perhaps
[1:36:05] it's they feel it's in the state's best interest but it may not be in the best interest
[1:36:09] of the citizens of Lincoln so we should keep a placeholder on the agenda just to ferret
[1:36:15] these things out and get those comments to our delegation so I'm sorry rambling but
[1:36:23] No. Well said. There you go. So Madam Clerk, if we could have a placeholder on the agenda
[1:36:31] for now until June, legislative agenda update. And see what happens.
[1:36:37] We got it. Great.
[1:36:39] Next.
[1:36:42] Okay. Next, the appointments.
[1:36:45] First is the appointment of the tree warden for 2024.
[1:36:49] This is a DEM requirement.
[1:36:51] President,
[1:36:54] I'll make... I'm assuming we're reappointing DPW Director Mike Gaggan.
[1:37:00] Motion by Councilman Pyshek. Second. Second by Councilman Russo, any discussion?
[1:37:06] Here in none all in favor. Aye. I oppose.
[1:37:15] Next is Library Board of Trustees District 2.
[1:37:18] Mr. President, I think I'm motion to reappoint Rita Caraccia. Motion by Councilman Olin,
[1:37:25] Rear Point, Rita Carache, to library board of trustees.
[1:37:28] Second. Second by Councilman Peshad, any discussion?
[1:37:31] Hearing none all in favor?
[1:37:33] Aye.
[1:37:34] Next is budget board district four.
[1:37:49] Point, Mark
[1:37:54] Rooley out.
[1:37:57] Rooley out?
[1:37:58] Rooley out.
[1:38:00] Rooley out.
[1:38:11] Second by Councilman Peshad, any discussion?
[1:38:13] discussion,
[1:38:16] hearing none all in favor.
[1:38:18] Aye.
[1:38:20] Next, budget board district five, motion to defer.
[1:38:23] Motion to defer from councilman Peshat.
[1:38:27] Do you have a second?
[1:38:28] Second by councilman Oli, any discussion?
[1:38:31] Hearing none all in favor?
[1:38:32] Aye.
[1:38:33] Lincoln Housing Authority District three,
[1:38:36] I'll entertain a motion to reappoint Mr. Bill Peppas.
[1:38:39] So moved, motion by councilman Peshat.
[1:38:41] Seconded, seconded by councilman Rousseau,
[1:38:46] Councilor None, Councilor Azar, any discussion?
[1:38:50] Hearing none all in favor?
[1:38:51] Aye.
[1:38:52] Next, Planning Board District 2.
[1:38:54] Motion to Reappoint Jeffrey Olin.
[1:38:57] Motion to Reappoint Jeffrey Olin by Councilman Olin.
[1:39:00] Second.
[1:39:01] Seconded by all the other Councillors, any discussion?
[1:39:05] Hearing none all in favor?
[1:39:07] Aye.
[1:39:09] Planning Board District 4.
[1:39:11] I'd like to reappoint Ned Lyman.
[1:39:14] Motion to a point, Ned London, from Councilor Azar. Second. Second by Councilman Russo, any discussion?
[1:39:21] Hearing none all in favor. Aye.
[1:39:23] Zoning board of review. District two.
[1:39:26] Mr. President, would you like to make a motion on point, Richard Dennerstein?
[1:39:33] Second.
[1:39:34] Motion to a point, Mr. Richard Dennerstein, from Councilman.
[1:39:37] Mr. President, not a reappointment.
[1:39:39] Oh, sorry.
[1:39:42] Motion to a point, Richard Dennerstein, from Councilman Oli. Second by Councilman Pershet.
[1:39:46] Council of A's already discussion on favor I know we have one member here is
[1:39:54] there anyone else to be sworn in okay so if I got you to step on the swan
[1:40:20] for the charter, which you have been appointed,
[1:40:22] or until another is engaged to take your place,
[1:40:25] or until you can really discharge their firm
[1:40:27] so help you that.
[1:40:28] I do.
[1:40:28] I'm moving.
[1:40:29] Congratulations.
[1:40:31] Thank you.
[1:40:42] Next is the claims subcommittee report, Jim Noes.
[1:40:45] That's Mr. President earlier this evening.
[1:40:46] The claims committee met, and three separate claims.
[1:40:50] The first claim was a Juarez claim
[1:40:53] that claim was deferred under three, three to nothing vote.
[1:40:57] The
[1:41:00] second claim would be Hyrum, the Hyrum Bobber claim.
[1:41:03] That claim was also deferred on a three-day zero vote.
[1:41:08] And the last claim was a Carroll claim.
[1:41:11] There was a three-year vote to prove the claim
[1:41:14] in a model of $660.48 by Moeville Council to do this such.
[1:41:20] Most of my concerns only to pay the claim in the amount of $660.48.
[1:41:24] Second.
[1:41:25] Second by Council, he's already discussion.
[1:41:28] here.
[1:41:29] Here's another.
[1:41:30] I suppose.
[1:41:32] I have.
[1:41:33] Next to the capital improvement committee report.
[1:41:36] We actually have two projects going on.
[1:41:39] I'll start with Councilman Peshette with the school.
[1:41:46] Thank you.
[1:41:47] It was Fred.
[1:41:47] We had a meeting in February 2nd.
[1:41:50] I'm sorry.
[1:41:50] That's the next meeting.
[1:41:51] We had a meeting on January 5th.
[1:41:55] Lots of things going on.
[1:41:56] The projects coming up on the quicker side are the HVAC and all the
[1:42:01] cafeterias in the four elementary schools and all bird construction, signed a
[1:42:06] contract to take care of that job. The New Canopy at Lincoln High School, they're
[1:42:11] going to look at getting the steel delivered to site so that as soon as schools
[1:42:16] out they can start working on that immediately so the materials will be on site.
[1:42:21] Studio Jade gave us an update on all the gyms and a lot of them being
[1:42:26] tweaked, we're kind of seeing them moved a little bit position-wise to gain either classroom
[1:42:32] space or exterior entries and there's also discussion about how many we're going to have
[1:42:38] this full-size courts versus elementary size courts so a lot of that stuff is still being
[1:42:43] discussed and a lot more to come but those are the things we're dealing with right now.
[1:42:49] Councilman Ome you sit on the rescue stations. Yes, Mr. President, we met last Tuesday for our first meeting with kind of a more introductory meeting.
[1:42:59] I have to say the administrative work put together quite a committee. We're moving forward on the meeting to separate.
[1:43:09] We kind of like I said meet and greet everybody together. We throw a lot of ideas around and we're going forward from there.
[1:43:18] We did, we did put out an RFP, let's test Monday and RFP HQ for obtaining OPM services so that actually it will be a mentor meeting here on Monday at 10 o'clock with the chair of the committee as well as the challenge near to oversee that process and questions but that that process is moving.
[1:43:41] And at the time when I used the alumni as well,
[1:43:44] we're open to, you know,
[1:43:45] the team opening services in this project.
[1:43:48] Thank you, Miss.
[1:43:49] We're in Australia.
[1:43:49] I promise I didn't sleep through that part.
[1:43:51] I just forgot to say it.
[1:43:53] Hi.
[1:43:55] And the only comment I have is the physical education committee
[1:43:59] will have its last meeting on January 31st
[1:44:03] at the Media Center at the High School.
[1:44:07] That brings us to new business.
[1:44:09] We have resolutions for introduction and for committee.
[1:44:12] First one is resolution 2023-4 amendment to the resolution's update cost from 850,000
[1:44:19] to 1,000, 8,367,000, 57 cents for the sewer line on the school street.
[1:44:27] Move from meeting consideration. Motion from meeting consideration from Councilman Russo
[1:44:31] So second by Councillor A's already discussion.
[1:44:34] Hearing none all the favour.
[1:44:36] Hi.
[1:44:36] On the resolution.
[1:44:42] Meeting.
[1:44:42] We have a motion to discuss.
[1:44:44] Motion to discuss.
[1:44:45] Motion to discuss.
[1:44:45] Motion to discuss from Councilor Rousseau.
[1:44:47] Seconded by Councilman Hony.
[1:44:50] We recently received 90% design drawings of
[1:44:59] plants.
[1:45:00] And they gave us an updated cost based on the design. My original estimate was $150,000, which you guys previously approved to use ARCA funds for. Their current estimate is $1,8,367. It's based on their engineers estimate that they put together on it. Obviously, once it goes out to big, hopefully that number comes down to close to where I was. But at this point in time, they're looking for a commitment from the town to cover that.
[1:45:29] difference. So what's before you now is to amend the ARPA resolution to cover
[1:45:36] that difference from $850,000 to the $1,8,360, $750.
[1:45:44] Let's go for the work. It's the same.
[1:45:47] I just have one question in the resolution. Can we scroll to the next page please?
[1:45:54] So this is the original. Do you want the amended one or this?
[1:45:56] the amended one. Please.
[1:46:06] Right there in the whereas. It says right out will require 50%
[1:46:11] advance payment in the amount of 425,000. Is that? So we've already paid that. Right. So they're not
[1:46:19] currently asking us to meet that middle point. So they're not asking us to meet that difference.
[1:46:26] Can we then just, can we just then, I'll extend a motion to amend the resolution and strike
[1:46:34] the 50% some
[1:46:40] more.
[1:46:41] Second.
[1:46:42] Motion by Councilman.
[1:46:43] Only seconded by Council, A's already in discussion, hearing not all in favour.
[1:46:50] Questions on the, but Mr. Mystery, or something?
[1:46:54] And again, I think this is a great use of the archaeophons, we still have some available,
[1:47:01] but I am sure improvements offset by the money that we do have, I think you said,
[1:47:06] why is it less than that?
[1:47:07] And this is a board project, and I'm sure people will now be on the very happy ones this school's
[1:47:12] dream, get through big, and we hope that it works.
[1:47:15] On schedule, we constructed this part here.
[1:47:21] Yes.
[1:47:22] Before or after the Washington Bridge?
[1:47:32] It's just a quick question, it's just this money is being used for the sewer.
[1:47:37] Correct.
[1:47:39] All right.
[1:47:40] It's not just road painting and sidewalks, it's a sewer, yeah.
[1:47:45] Yeah.
[1:47:45] I've been going through the plants and through the process and that we're meeting within tomorrow
[1:47:49] to go open.
[1:47:49] But it is strictly for the sewer.
[1:47:52] So we installed a sewer and the state picks up the tab for the sidewalks and then paving.
[1:47:56] Correct. The how it works. Part of it, it doesn't include a temporary pavement over the sewer,
[1:48:01] because they go through their place due to only thirst and have to be driveable at the end of each bed.
[1:48:05] So that pavement cost is included in it, but then the complete reconstruction of the road is on state.
[1:48:13] And the plants currently show new pavement, new granite, herm, and I believe it's used in
[1:48:19] And what do we have left in the opera fund?
[1:48:23] Roughly, I mean.
[1:48:25] We did some, you know, some add-up, I think $2 million, but I could get it.
[1:48:34] So this pretty much is just like $200,000 over the original estimate.
[1:48:43] That $2 million takes into consideration this money already being appropriated.
[1:48:49] So once this is done, roughly $1 million in it, three quarters or something.
[1:48:56] Thanks, excuse me to make an accurate breakdown in your numbers.
[1:49:06] Okay, I'll entertain a motion on the resolution as a motion to adopt.
[1:49:12] motion to adopt from Councilman Bouchet. Second by Councillor Azar.
[1:49:19] Any discussion?
[1:49:21] Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Aye, static.
[1:49:26] You're welcome.
[1:49:31] Next is a resolution to support filing of an application for funds for the
[1:49:35] around public safety infrastructure grant.
[1:49:40] Motion to discuss. Motion to discuss.
[1:49:45] Councilman Peshett. Okay. Second by councilor Rousseau any discussion hearing none all in favor?
[1:49:54] Opposed? Nice having.
[1:49:58] Motion to adopt. Motion to adopt the resolution of councilman Peshett.
[1:50:02] Second. Second by councilor A's already discussion.
[1:50:07] Administrator is he the ward.
[1:50:09] Yeah I'm going to briefly speak this so there is a some grand money available for the rest of the building.
[1:50:16] We did go to bond and we're approved by the Board of the Board of the Board of the
[1:50:20] Millions.
[1:50:21] On the same time, this grant is billed of some of a million dollars.
[1:50:25] The match is, and we take it to the resolution, more than half, we're not sure what that
[1:50:31] attack number is, but anyway, we give the state to help pay for the rest of the bill, and
[1:50:35] he's a good thing which will, again, be offset from that bond.
[1:50:39] So it's time for them to add on to this corporate project, which is trying to absorb some of
[1:50:43] the cost and with our state funding to get things through.
[1:50:48] It's like getting a coupon.
[1:50:50] Exactly.
[1:50:54] Any further discussion?
[1:50:57] Hearing none.
[1:50:58] Motion to adopt those in favor.
[1:50:59] Aye.
[1:51:00] Opposed?
[1:51:01] Aye.
[1:51:02] Opposed?
[1:51:03] Opposed?
[1:51:04] Opposed?
[1:51:12] Aye.
[1:51:13] motion to refer to the ordinance committee, motion to refer to the committee from Councilman
[1:51:16] Bishop.
[1:51:17] Second.
[1:51:17] Second by Council.
[1:51:18] Is there any discussion?
[1:51:19] No.
[1:51:20] Councilman.
[1:51:21] If I could, if I could indulge the chairman of that committee if you could have that meeting
[1:51:27] on Monday night, if it's an all possible the Monday night instead of the Tuesday, I'm sorry
[1:51:33] the Tuesday night instead of the Monday, just like the presence of that meeting.
[1:51:38] Absolutely.
[1:51:39] I just, I guess my only note to that is if there are any significant changes that might
[1:51:47] be made to the language there, that we may not be able to vote on Tuesday night, which
[1:51:56] is okay.
[1:51:56] There's no urgency here, but that's the chance rule, right?
[1:52:00] So I have no problem having the ordinance committee on Tuesday night.
[1:52:04] It's just, I work on Monday's and this one's going to be my district.
[1:52:07] I've been talking with the administrator a lot about this, I'm a big fan of it, so I'd like to ask them to put it.
[1:52:13] I just have a quick question. Normally, we do claims in purchasing on Tuesday, because there's shorter meetings.
[1:52:18] Can we do it at 6.15, so we can still do the half hour for the ordinance committee?
[1:52:23] And then the claims, as it's way five, and I was in purchasing on Monday,
[1:52:28] is I don't pay with everyone who has switched that around.
[1:52:31] That way he can, I can continue to do that.
[1:52:33] That way he can attend your next meeting.
[1:52:36] Sorry, but he's okay,
[1:52:37] but that's scheduled to be purchasing on one day.
[1:52:40] Moving forward, just for next month.
[1:52:42] It's up to you, because he can't.
[1:52:44] It's up to you.
[1:52:45] Yeah, it's up to you.
[1:52:46] So it's up to you.
[1:52:49] I guess just at this point, just for February,
[1:52:51] and then we can discuss for our next, yeah.
[1:52:53] The two that you're on in ordinance and claims.
[1:52:56] Right.
[1:52:57] Council members, there's some white roll.
[1:53:04] Did we vote on that?
[1:53:06] Yep.
[1:53:07] Okay.
[1:53:07] I'm motion send that to committee.
[1:53:08] All those in favor?
[1:53:09] Aye.
[1:53:10] Opposed?
[1:53:11] Aye.
[1:53:11] Next is discussion.
[1:53:15] You know, action on town charter review.
[1:53:18] There is a section of the charter.
[1:53:22] And I could get which one it is.
[1:53:23] I want to say it's 3518.
[1:53:27] 1718.
[1:53:29] I forgot. There is a section of the child that says that it needs to be reviewed every
[1:53:36] five years. We have not done it in quite a while. So one, bring it to the council's attention.
[1:53:44] If you want to take a look and see what needs to see if there's anything that needs to be
[1:53:50] done,
[1:53:53] I'll put a... If we don't feel that it needs a comprehensive review, what we can do
[1:53:59] It was just past a resolution that says it's fine as it is and have that moving forward.
[1:54:05] Just as a final clarification, Mr. President, it was Section 1718.
[1:54:09] 1718, thank you.
[1:54:14] Any discussion on that?
[1:54:18] OK.
[1:54:19] Last thing is the February meeting.
[1:54:24] If we can change that to the 27th, Section 25.
[1:54:32] works to access the means of 26 and 27 due to the February holiday is that okay
[1:54:44] with everybody okay
[1:54:47] so a February meeting work session be on the 26th and the
[1:54:51] meeting will be on the 27th so that's when the that on this will be okay any
[1:54:59] comments from the announcements from the council.
[1:55:05] Now let's say in a motion to adjourn.
[1:55:06] So, I'm going to start with the Councilor Moroni, second by Councilor Azami, discussion
[1:55:11] for all the favour.
[1:55:12] Aye.