1 00:00:08,510 --> 00:00:17,810 Okay, let's call the ordinance committee at 6.21 p.m. Order. First on the agenda, minutes 2 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:26,370 from December 18th. Motion approved minutes. Second. All in favor. Aye. There are no 3 00:00:26,370 --> 00:00:36,410 resolutions to review. Under the ordinances to review, the first ordinance is 2024-1 and 4 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:41,030 ordinance establishing a resident only parking permit program. Is there a motion to discuss? 5 00:00:41,410 --> 00:00:41,790 So moved. 6 00:00:41,950 --> 00:00:43,150 Second. All in favor? 7 00:00:43,590 --> 00:00:43,750 Aye. 8 00:00:43,930 --> 00:00:44,130 Aye. 9 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:57,120 So Mr. Administrator, I think you have submitted this. Do you want to walk us through this 10 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,760 or how do you want to tackle? 11 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:08,400 Sure. So, again, when we first started talking about this, the discussions and the thought 12 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,020 process went back to the Maria's Kitchen discussions a few months ago when there was concerns about 13 00:01:14,020 --> 00:01:17,180 living in parking down there and some of the parking issues. 14 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:21,080 After we started looking around, 15 00:01:21,380 --> 00:01:24,800 and again, I'm a firm believer in not having to necessarily agree about the wheel, I started looking 16 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,720 looking around other communities. 17 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,700 Well, they have ordinances for resident parking 18 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:31,120 because we had none in place for the town. 19 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,180 We've got to look at some larger communities, 20 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,480 new ports and other ones that have about 16-page ordinances 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,920 because of all the residential and tourist parking 22 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,540 that's down there. 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,580 Trying to find something that was a little more closer 24 00:01:45,580 --> 00:01:48,760 to a community similar to Lincoln at the same time, 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,260 Cumberland was going through a similar issue 26 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:53,260 with some congested areas with limited parking 27 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:58,400 the residents and I had a conversation with their solicitor and what you're 28 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,680 seeing here is a draft of what they've done. We made a couple minor adjustments to 29 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:10,240 make a reflex. Our town, I'm just showing you some short-circuit language and you get what we need to be tweaked in some 30 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,180 considerations from the council on this but I will tell you that along with 31 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:19,260 the Reyes Kitchen and a couple of street down that area, I had some 32 00:02:19,260 --> 00:02:25,180 concerns about and I've worked with Councilman Olney. I like just to drive. We have a piece of 33 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:33,340 property over there that's down the land that some people have used to parking like where 34 00:02:33,340 --> 00:02:38,700 it's become issues. People leaving several cars four or five or something. We have loads of family 35 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:42,700 houses on Union Street and they're kind of using it almost looks like a junkyard in the backyard 36 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:48,740 like the people that live over on the other streets are seeing this all the time. So we 37 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:51,700 you need to find a way to control people that park over there, 38 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,620 some type of accountability and who's allowed to park there. 39 00:02:55,020 --> 00:02:57,920 And the process with police department to enforce that 40 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:58,820 if people have parked over there, 41 00:02:58,860 --> 00:03:00,740 they're not permitted to do so. 42 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:05,920 The other part of the talent was a concern for me 43 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:07,160 and not so much right now, 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,080 but certainly next year is School Street. 45 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,060 We have that park that's off the School Street 46 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:14,660 and when you go down to Berkshire Drive, 47 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:17,260 All right, the Disa is a town parking lot, 48 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:20,280 and there's consistently a bunch of cars over there 49 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,260 parked all the time. 50 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:23,740 Because it's off the side, 51 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:25,140 there's not a lot of cars there all the time, 52 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:25,960 it's not that problematic. 53 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,760 However, when the reconstruction, 54 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:29,260 reconstruction of the school street happens, 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,560 there's gonna be very limited parking 56 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,180 for the people that live on school street. 57 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:34,840 So we're gonna need that town land, 58 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,500 we're gonna need that town parking lot 59 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:38,880 for the residents of the school street to park over there. 60 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,220 So we need to make sure that we're ensuring 61 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:42,100 that the people that are there 62 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:44,400 They're supposed to be there and have the provision in town. 63 00:03:46,420 --> 00:03:48,140 So that's sort of the inception of this. 64 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,560 Again, I know it's showing some concerns 65 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:56,560 on potential overreach or some constituents wanting 66 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,700 to get in their question of different Negroes. 67 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:03,420 I think it has to be the council and their constituents 68 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:06,060 to find out where this would be appropriately applied. 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,080 Who's going to control it? 70 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,740 I do think that the idea of having the police department 71 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:18,760 being the point of contact as far as getting a parking sticker or if we so 72 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,000 are inclined to give a parking sticker or as a parking sticker out to a person 73 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,180 that they control the registration for that sticker that you keep the 74 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:30,300 capability for because at the end of the day they're the ones that would be going out 75 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,780 there to enforce until people are a little crowded. 76 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,440 I understand those two instances you talked about with the 77 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,520 license to drive in school street. My concern in the neighborhoods, for example like where Maria's 78 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,940 restaurant is, I just have a feeling that residents might regret if we do something like this in the 79 00:04:54,940 --> 00:05:00,240 neighborhoods. I know personally I work in a service business to one of people's homes and when I go 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,480 into a neighborhood that has resident only parking it becomes a nightmare. You know if these people 81 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,600 need work done in their house they have a party, you know things like that. You know some 82 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,220 Some of these towns, like Cambridge Mast, they have visitor passes, you have to hand out, 83 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:15,960 and you're going to find a space. 84 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,860 I'm just afraid that it might be something that some people might regret, but I think 85 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:25,800 we'd have to hear from people if they want it in their community. 86 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:32,660 Other than that, I think the two you talked about are not problematic because it's more 87 00:05:32,660 --> 00:05:34,240 of a parking lot area. 88 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:40,660 So, but I mean, I've just been concerned about us going into too far into this and 89 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:44,520 Having people regret it, you know down the road, so 90 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,280 Yes, so 91 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:52,400 When I spoke to the administrator about this this on late Chester's 92 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,780 It's really important because it's turned into a 93 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,460 Junk out of there people park wherever they want. That's all him 94 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:09,320 They park wherever they want. Leaking oil. So the people on, what's the street? 95 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:14,640 What's my, what's the street? Oh, that's actually my hope. Union Street. 96 00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:20,640 So Union Street, they'll come up the front doors, but then they go around the back to get the cars. 97 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:26,600 Mainly one of two houses, mainly one house is really abusive. 98 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,640 They've got vehicles parked all over, like I said, he's bringing cars in on flatbeds, 99 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,160 oil's leaking all over the place, so the people on my chest are just going to look at this. 100 00:06:35,380 --> 00:06:37,480 So they're going to look at everybody else's garbage. 101 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:40,740 Vehicles parked on grass, parked all over the place. 102 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:46,300 Now some people have made space to go onto their property from town property. 103 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:48,020 They've done it the correct way. 104 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,840 They've made it look good. They've done it right. 105 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:55,480 These folks in this one particular house have just turned into a parking lot. 106 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,500 They paved over our land, and some other ones have, but again, it's been done 107 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:05,640 properly. They don't have cause on that side. They use that area just to 108 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,100 mainly go in and come out of the, these other folks are just blocking, they're 109 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:13,240 parking the street. These people in Leiches have beautiful houses. They 110 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,280 got beautiful land, they're trying to take care of it, and all they see is 111 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,480 a scabbage. And we've tried, the town administrator, myself, the chief of 112 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,300 We've done all we can to try and corral it any other way than doing it this way. 113 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,420 We've tried every other way to doing it this way. 114 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:29,760 Nothing's worked. 115 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,900 So I mean, from my neighborhood, from my district, this is imperative to get done 116 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:36,680 because it's the only way we can control that. 117 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,680 I mean, some people, this guy's pocket cars don't even belong in a neighborhood. 118 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:43,420 You've got two on a flatbed, two more on the ground. 119 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,580 Like, we got no way to control it. 120 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:49,000 This is our only way to control that area. 121 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:58,800 And I think we'd only talk about areas that necessarily need this, and we'd probably take 122 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,180 a good overview of that area first, see if there's any other ways we can solve the issue, 123 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,380 and if not, then we could pull this ordinance in and use this ordinance for that type of 124 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:07,800 situation. 125 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:17,490 I know there's things like, obviously we're going to give some leeway on holidays or 126 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:20,890 someone someone on that streets having a family birthday party or Christmas party 127 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:24,430 they're just we'll have to send a letter out to everybody when this starts to say 128 00:08:24,430 --> 00:08:27,350 hey listen if you haven't something just give the police department a call let 129 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:30,970 them know that you're gonna have extra cause here we're gonna be able to put 130 00:08:30,970 --> 00:08:35,430 parking kits on all of them but on these certain instances if we know you're 131 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:39,530 there and what hours of people are gonna be there we can we can allow it but 132 00:08:39,530 --> 00:08:46,770 I mean, to your point, Kauffman, again, within the language of the ordinance, my recommendations 133 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:54,330 would be allowable, and shall versus may. 134 00:08:54,670 --> 00:08:59,230 So you're giving the authority to, for the enforcement you need to, not saying this 135 00:08:59,230 --> 00:09:04,410 or that you're going to, there's got to be some latitude, right, some discretion 136 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:07,090 and within the town, I think it would make sure you write the ordinance. 137 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:12,330 We had that latitude, we had that discretion, you know, you don't want to go into 138 00:09:12,330 --> 00:09:15,610 start telling cars that somebody's having a birthday party 139 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:17,530 or somebody has to come see overnight 140 00:09:17,530 --> 00:09:21,490 to take care of a sick relative or something. 141 00:09:21,730 --> 00:09:24,110 But again, if you saw something like that happening, 142 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:25,870 you made contact and say, listen, 143 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:28,010 need to have a sicker, you don't have a sicker, 144 00:09:28,110 --> 00:09:32,510 but to Bruce's point, you guys bought hands a lot of cars 145 00:09:32,510 --> 00:09:34,810 and all of a sudden somebody's having, 146 00:09:35,390 --> 00:09:37,090 he's got his cousin keeping his car parked 147 00:09:37,090 --> 00:09:38,830 there for two or three weeks. 148 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:40,590 It's legally registered. 149 00:09:40,590 --> 00:09:44,090 So if it's not registered, then the police department can tow it off the talent. 150 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:48,510 But if it is registered, and but it's registered out of something of these prominence, 151 00:09:48,850 --> 00:09:50,810 and it's been there for two weeks, it hasn't turned to tire. 152 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:55,550 It becomes very difficult for us to take enforcement on that, or it's a police officer going back to station, 153 00:09:56,050 --> 00:09:58,810 making a phone call to a phone number that may or may not work, 154 00:09:59,350 --> 00:10:01,250 leaving the message and not being able to track somebody down. 155 00:10:01,390 --> 00:10:05,150 So as long as, you know, if we have the ordinance in place, we have proper signage saying, 156 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:08,190 and parking your own risks, parking your own, parking your own. 157 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:11,450 Parking stickers are required for some permits 158 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:13,950 and any questions will have the police 159 00:10:13,950 --> 00:10:14,790 to park you number there. 160 00:10:14,910 --> 00:10:17,790 Call 333-111 and they can call. 161 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:20,210 And again, we would request people 162 00:10:20,210 --> 00:10:21,530 to let us stay there for a couple days, 163 00:10:21,650 --> 00:10:23,230 take care of a relative and it's going to be there 164 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:25,770 temporarily, maybe they shouldn't know enough 165 00:10:25,770 --> 00:10:27,910 to call it but say, I'm here this is why. 166 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:30,410 And then we don't go to let, 167 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:31,310 we had that discretion. 168 00:10:31,310 --> 00:10:32,370 Well, 169 00:10:36,020 --> 00:10:42,280 I don't know how I feel about this because I'm certainly sympathetic to 170 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:51,920 to Councilman Omni's situation down there that one of the residents approached 171 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,280 me, 172 00:10:54,780 --> 00:11:00,080 you know, I had to explain to him, not my district, but you know he was 173 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,300 certainly passionate about what's going on down there and Lychester Drive so 174 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:09,260 So, you know, I do think that we need to address that problem. 175 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:13,720 People are taking care, taking advantage of the situation down there, you know, and I 176 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:20,420 certainly see the issue in that parking lot behind Alton Park, right, that perhaps, you 177 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:23,840 know, people leave unregistered cars there or something like that. 178 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,980 So I think we need to do something. 179 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,180 But this, you know, I think back, it's a little reminiscent for me of being on 180 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:34,120 on the zoning board when everyone on Great Road 181 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,480 wanted the historic district. 182 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,040 And I finally got elected to the council 183 00:11:38,590 --> 00:11:40,260 and I spent months and months and months 184 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:41,500 on the historic district. 185 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,440 And those same people that cried for the historic district 186 00:11:44,850 --> 00:11:48,000 were before me crying against the historic district. 187 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:52,540 So, you know, I look at the constituency on Maria Street 188 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,140 and while they were here saying that they wanted relief, 189 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,800 they wanted the town to do something. 190 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,900 Now, if we make that resident park, 191 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,440 I almost see those same faces coming before us saying what are you doing? 192 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,040 I you know, I this is ridiculous. I have to call I'm having a visitor 193 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,840 So on and so forth and the same thing may be with the people at Leichester 194 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,800 I would hate they're having a serious problem down there. So now we implement this this 195 00:12:21,460 --> 00:12:23,320 parking district and 196 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,980 now either you know 197 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:31,720 Somebody's some good resident. We have decides not to follow it. We tag the car 198 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,820 You know, they they come to to the municipal court. How could you do this? Well, that's it 199 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:40,220 So I'm just I'm not saying that I'm against it 200 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:48,020 I do have some concerns. I share the concerns. It's like be careful what you wish for, you know, I 201 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,800 Would almost like to see some kind of 202 00:12:55,990 --> 00:13:04,670 Like, for example, this light chest to drive, maybe we send some kind of mail to those people 203 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:12,210 in that area and then just to get their feedback on, do you want us to do this on your street? 204 00:13:12,770 --> 00:13:15,670 I mean, these are just some ideas and some concerns that I have. 205 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:19,330 I don't know what your thought or the thoughts are that- 206 00:13:19,330 --> 00:13:26,330 Well, I'm sorry I just had an emergency call, but yeah, so, you know, the people on Union probably would have a problem with us doing this, 207 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:32,810 because that benefits them on Union. The people on Lightchester will not have a problem. They're going to be very happy. 208 00:13:33,770 --> 00:13:39,070 People on Lightchester are very particular about their properties, keeping them clean, keeping them nice. 209 00:13:39,230 --> 00:13:47,270 There's no cars parked on Lightchester Street from Lightchester. They park in their driveway, they sweep along their curves. 210 00:13:47,270 --> 00:13:51,790 they're very particular about it but then they've got people from the next 211 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:56,930 street over bringing their abandoned vehicles you know those abandoned 212 00:13:56,930 --> 00:14:00,390 vehicles and sometimes they're out there talking and late at night and they're 213 00:14:00,390 --> 00:14:06,150 dropping bottles and stuff like that so I mean wait for me and those folks on 214 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:17,250 my chest it's important yeah Union I mean I mean I have a problem 215 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:27,990 It's one or two houses that are on Union Street that are becoming the problems because there are people who take great good care of the yards. 216 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:36,070 They have had issues, they parked what they were doing respectfully, but this will again allow us to address the ones that we've tried. 217 00:14:36,070 --> 00:14:42,210 We reached out on several types to contact the owner of one of the properties down there. 218 00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:47,090 More return phone calls kind of told us to go found sand. 219 00:14:49,150 --> 00:14:55,430 Really, it's been problematic, but we haven't had the enforcement tool in place for registered cars 220 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:59,650 and because there's other cars that are doing the right thing and they're being respectful. 221 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:07,940 This is just more of a tool to have the toolbox to further enforce and make sure that it's nice for everyone that was down that area. 222 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:17,020 So, what I would say, Mr. Chairman, to if you'd like, I could do a little bit of canvassing on Leichester Street, see what the feelings are on it. 223 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Again, I don't think they have to do it on union because it's not the street. 224 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,520 I mean, so I could talk to everybody in Leichester Street and say, this is what we're thinking of doing. 225 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,460 would your folks have a problem with it? 226 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,120 And if anybody says they have a problem with it, 227 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,380 I'd bring them back to the committee and say, 228 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,780 listen, they have a problem with it. 229 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,840 I really don't think they're going to, but I'm not afraid of it. 230 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Well, what about the people on Union? 231 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,300 People on Union live on Union Street, not on Leichester Street. 232 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,440 They're back at their houses. 233 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,760 They're back at their houses on Leichester Street. 234 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:47,420 And like the administrator said, this is only one of two people. 235 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:48,860 The rest of the people on Union, 236 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,200 it's not going to affect because they're doing the right thing. 237 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,360 They're parking in the driveways. 238 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:55,420 They're keeping off the land. They take care of the land. 239 00:15:55,420 --> 00:16:00,040 It's these two people and we've looked at every way to try and resolve this but this 240 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:05,080 So this gives us our tool to try and get them under control the other people on Union 241 00:16:06,380 --> 00:16:10,220 They're pretty much compliant, but when I tell you these two these two properties 242 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:16,520 Give us enough of a headache and have enough vehicles back there to make it look like sometimes looks like a Walmart parking lot 243 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:23,900 I'm not just disrespecting Walmart, but it does it's cause everywhere and it's no reason for it 244 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:29,260 It's a three-family house and to be honest with you, I think one of the guys is just using it as his workplace 245 00:16:29,260 --> 00:16:36,800 He runs his business out of there, you know and the people on my chest who pay taxes do what they're supposed to keep their street clean 246 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:44,500 I've got to be affected by this. It's not right. It just it just seems like you're saying it's two people and 247 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:46,240 we're going to 248 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,960 And I don't want to say burden because that's not the right word 249 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:58,900 But we're going to have to ask these people who are obeying the law and good neighbors to come in and register 250 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:05,960 and get their permit and then if they're having guests staying for a few nights, they're going to have to call the police department. 251 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:13,180 And they're going to have to, I guess, be burdened is the best way, or inconvenienced. 252 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,060 They're inconvenienced because of these other properties. 253 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:20,360 Is there something that can be done? 254 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:22,620 Are you familiar with the situation? 255 00:17:22,940 --> 00:17:24,760 Is there any action that the town could take 256 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,360 other than implementing this? 257 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:28,840 It sounds like there's not. 258 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:32,100 By the way, we've been dealing with light chest 259 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:33,300 to drive for years. 260 00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:35,900 This isn't a new issue. 261 00:17:36,060 --> 00:17:37,820 This is something that actually bubbled up 262 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:39,120 for the council many years ago 263 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,060 and it hasn't been resolved. 264 00:17:41,380 --> 00:17:44,280 And I think that this is basically an enabled ordinance 265 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:51,160 that would allow you to better police, like Chester Drive, I think Councilman only is correct. 266 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,320 It's not everybody, it's a couple of people over there, this ordinance would address that issue. 267 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:05,260 One of the people that had been a vocal and speaking to Councilman only and myself, 268 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:07,520 but I was like, well why don't you stick it all in the parking? 269 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,200 And that would become a cumbersome and problematic for some of the people that are doing the right thing. 270 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,860 and they're taking care of the backside of the property and they're parking where they should be 271 00:18:17,860 --> 00:18:24,620 and they only have one or two cars, but they turn it entirely into parking as a solution, 272 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:32,320 but my guess is it's probably going to be more problematic for a lot of people. 273 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:37,200 So, you know, we can certainly try and make it an easy process, you know, we can sit there 274 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,220 and do a racial thing for those folks that, you know, do have to do the right thing 275 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:46,280 and they want to have a couple cars back there and they want to register we can send the 276 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:50,640 traffic officer down there to put a mail in there and up to the process how to get a 277 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:56,800 sicker and what not but this is again really you know just gives us the opportunity to address the problem. 278 00:18:57,420 --> 00:19:02,600 And just to piggyback off what the administrator said if we went down there and did the parking 279 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,820 because like I said people on lettuce street it's like just say no parking on the street 280 00:19:08,140 --> 00:19:15,580 Then it is going to, it will burden one or two people on the Union because, again, most 281 00:19:15,580 --> 00:19:19,380 of the people on Union are parking in their driver, they cut through our land into their 282 00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:20,740 driver's clothes and geese, isn't it? 283 00:19:20,980 --> 00:19:24,180 You have a few, except for up near the top where the problem is causing. 284 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:32,060 So to put no parking on there for everybody, it would be more cumbersome for those people 285 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,160 that are doing the right thing than it would be for these other folks. 286 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,700 This guy just, to be honest with you, one of the guys just pushing back. 287 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:41,420 He just doesn't even own the property. 288 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:43,240 Not even the owner of the property. 289 00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:47,100 But we've met the property owner in once and refused to come back in. 290 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:53,400 So he just knows that it looks like he probably knows we've done everything we can. 291 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,960 I mean, so he's just like, you know what, good luck with it. 292 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:04,980 Because I think the people in the Maria's restaurant, we haven't heard from them in several months, 293 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:08,480 so I think that the efforts, oh, you are. 294 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,120 Say what? 295 00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:15,520 Well, I guess we'll hear from them in a public comment. 296 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:25,360 Mr. June, if I may, I really studied this ordinance and after listening to what Councilman 297 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:32,640 only said, I think the better way to handle this would be to have an ordinance regarding 298 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:40,040 town property because that's what it seems to be as the main thing and separated out from streets 299 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,600 because it's not that you're looking to have a lot of parking on the street, 300 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:53,620 you're looking to have parking on town property and I think a town property parking ordinance 301 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:58,360 would be would be more appropriate. So Mr. President, the only fear I have of that 302 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,840 is this gentleman would say, okay you're gonna let me park on the property, I'll 303 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,840 just park on my vehicles on my Chester. He'll 304 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,280 just put his flatbed with the two 305 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,480 vehicles on top, his vehicles he's working on, he'll just put them on my Chester 306 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,120 instead of on our property. So it'll be off our property but now they're on 307 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:21,500 my Chester and these people still have to look at all this garbage. That's 308 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,660 that's the only problem I see because he's that kind of fellow. He's just 309 00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:37,360 push, you push, you push, you push till you can't push no more. But I would love that idea if we were dealing with someone that would be more cooperative, that would be a great idea. 310 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:52,900 Well, if I could make a suggestion, I certainly would like you to speak to the people, if you don't mind Bruce. 311 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:01,080 And let's see if we can kind of come back around and in the meantime when we come to public comment 312 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:13,960 our friends from the Maria's Restaurant District can add some maybe some color to this and maybe we can reconvene 313 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,640 next month we'll have a little shopper picture. 314 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:26,360 But again, I'm not against it, but nor am I really for it. 315 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,820 The next month will give me a little more time where the weather is a little better for me to walk around. 316 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:37,680 Okay, and you know, maybe I haven't been down there to see, I mean, I'm not familiar with the situation, 317 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,220 so as you've talked to it, as some other people have talked to me about this, 318 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,840 I really can't visualize what's going on. 319 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:45,520 We'll do a field trip. 320 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,240 The law says that we will do tours at any time. 321 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:48,700 Okay. 322 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,500 So, go ahead. 323 00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:51,840 Sure. 324 00:22:51,980 --> 00:22:54,380 I could just offer just a couple of other things. 325 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:04,960 Line 17, section 180-18 where it talks about the creation of 326 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,040 resident-only parking areas shall be based on neighborhood 327 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,280 conditions, including density of the neighborhood, lack of 328 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:17,220 driveways and motor-ball street parking, would it be possible to get a list of objective 329 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:24,640 criteria as to what the density has to be, the driveways have to be, so that we could 330 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:31,480 see it, or is that going to be subjective up to the police? Because the line above 331 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:38,120 it states that we may permit resident only on the recommendation of the police department. 332 00:23:38,980 --> 00:23:41,800 That's actually a good suggestion and it's something that's doable. 333 00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:45,180 Your town plan will be able to provide that information for you. 334 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:53,360 And then a Line 39 paragraph E 335 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,780 where it talks about commercial vehicles. 336 00:23:57,780 --> 00:23:59,880 What would be the definition of a commercial vehicle? 337 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:04,440 Would that be a pickup truck that has commercial plates on it? 338 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,560 or does it have to be a vehicle that's registered to a business? 339 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,860 I think generally a commercial vehicle is a gross weight. 340 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:19,680 I mean, I know you have a commercial license plate on a regular truck, 341 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:22,480 but I think it comes down to tonnage and weight for a vehicle. 342 00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:29,060 And we actually do have somewhere in place already for not having a commercial vehicle 343 00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:33,200 like a tow truck or a box truck parked on the other town street. 344 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:45,010 And then in 345 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:52,820 regards to guest parking, where it states guest parking may be permitted at 346 00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:59,940 the request of a permit holder, so that means somebody already has to have a permit and 347 00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:11,060 then is requesting guest parking. But it doesn't say for how long or daytime, overnight, two 348 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:20,460 days, a week, what would be the guest parking. Or would that be, once again, subjective, end 349 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:27,310 up to the police department to say, yes, you can have it for a week. Or you do have 350 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:32,250 a sick parent so you're going to have an indefinite one so see the places I 351 00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:36,570 dealt with this with my work is they have like guest placards that you hang on 352 00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:43,390 your mirror but each household would only get two I don't know I mean that's 353 00:25:43,390 --> 00:25:49,090 how I dealt with resident only parking for work so just some that should be 354 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:55,670 tightened up just some comments that came up maybe because sir if you were 355 00:25:55,670 --> 00:26:03,210 having an overnight guest stay for a series of nights, that would be a guest that you 356 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:09,430 would want to let the police know about or get a flat guard or something like that, but 357 00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:15,210 you have somebody that's just showing up, a friend that's going to be over for coffee 358 00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:22,270 for an hour or comes over a person maybe assisting. I have people at my house that 359 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:27,730 assist with my son, like, if they're coming in for two or three hours, right? 360 00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:31,070 Do they need to have to call Lincoln Police and have them? 361 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:37,510 So what I would say to this too is that I think what we're trying to do is use this as a tool. 362 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:42,270 So I don't think our police are going to go down there hunting for any cars. 363 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:46,790 But it gives us the opportunity, like, okay, we can call the police department and say, 364 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:49,970 He's got six cars down there with no parking permit. 365 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:55,890 We're looking at resolving the problem for a few people. 366 00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:58,410 Our police ain't going to go down there and say, 367 00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:59,850 okay, we've got a car here. 368 00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:04,590 I think we want to use this as a tool to try and resolve the problem. 369 00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:08,650 I mean, I guess you could say we'd be picky. 370 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:11,830 But I mean, as the officer goes down there, 371 00:27:13,270 --> 00:27:15,110 he probably wouldn't go down there hunting the cars. 372 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:20,030 But he'd probably go down there on a call of a complaint from a resident or a councilman 373 00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:23,410 because someone's parked in four or five or six cars on the street. 374 00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:28,570 Obviously, if there's a car down the road, too, that just so happens to be there, well, 375 00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:29,710 then that's probably an issue. 376 00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:35,390 But, I mean, we also can imagine the situation where Mrs. Smith doesn't get along with 377 00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:36,090 Mrs. Jones. 378 00:27:36,650 --> 00:27:41,850 And every time Mrs. Jones has her daughter over for tea in the afternoon, Mrs. Smith 379 00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:47,790 this call on the Lincoln Police saying that she's never at the park. And if you 380 00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:51,310 remember I had this issue in Kendall Drive where we were trying to do 381 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:56,350 something like that and everybody in Kendall, the people who wanted it were 382 00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:59,570 for it but the majority of everybody else was against it and that did not. 383 00:28:01,210 --> 00:28:05,670 I don't think we submitted that to committee. So again I'll say this. That was the 384 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:10,670 on-screen call. I'll say this like I said I'm not just going to do light 385 00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:25,490 I'm going to go over to Union too because I know most of the people in Union and the problem is, a couple of houses in Union are multifamily. Everything on my chest is single family. Some on Union are single family, most of them are multifamily. 386 00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:40,250 I know most of the people over there, let me go over there and talk to them and see what everybody says and let me explain to them why we're looking to do what we do and get their honest opinion if they say no, I'm going to come back and honestly because I'm going to take names and say Mrs. Jones says she's not in for it and she lives at 51 Union. 387 00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:43,410 I mean, you know, what's his name from the water to the bottom? 388 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:44,270 He lives on Leichester. 389 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,350 He's definitely for it. 390 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:47,210 So just let me do a little work. 391 00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:49,610 I mean, if we're going to do it, let's do it right. 392 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:52,950 So we'll dig into it a little bit, do some legwork, 393 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:54,390 and we'll see what happens. 394 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:56,450 And we still have an address school street. 395 00:28:57,490 --> 00:28:59,810 And we should have a provision in here 396 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:04,170 where each residency gets a couple of, like you said, 397 00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:07,850 permanent placards that they can hand to whomever 398 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:10,170 if they can stick on the, right? 399 00:29:11,710 --> 00:29:12,270 Just hang it on the mirror. 400 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:12,710 Yeah. 401 00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:17,650 And they would be like one day passes or something, I would think, or two day passes. 402 00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:23,850 So we probably should move on to the second ordinance because we've got ten minutes and 403 00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:25,770 then we're going to do some public comment as well. 404 00:29:26,290 --> 00:29:29,090 We sell the plates committee as well before 7 o'clock. 405 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:30,770 Oh, so we're already over? 406 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:31,190 Oh, yes. 407 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:33,050 Oh, we're really over. 408 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:33,450 Okay. 409 00:29:33,550 --> 00:29:33,670 Really? 410 00:29:34,290 --> 00:29:35,650 So I'll make a motion to defer. 411 00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:36,510 Second. 412 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:38,270 Seconded defer, seconded, all in favor? 413 00:29:38,730 --> 00:29:38,870 Aye. 414 00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:39,230 Aye. 415 00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:46,450 Up next is ordinance 2023-6, amendment to the salary ordinance, is there a motion to 416 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:46,790 discuss? 417 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:47,410 So moved. 418 00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:48,350 Second. 419 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:49,030 All in favor? 420 00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:49,550 Aye. 421 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:49,950 Aye. 422 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Okay, I feel like we've discussed this at length. Is that fair to say as to what the motivation is that, in general, the town of Lincoln needs to fairly compete with other communities, and unfortunately, our salaries through the salary study are woefully low. 423 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:32,600 so this ordinance is giving a greater range based on statistical analysis so 424 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:42,460 that the administration can offer more compensation to town employees that 425 00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:50,140 are deserving of that in order to retain our town employees. I know we've 426 00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:53,900 been going through this quite a bit so I don't know how much discussion we're 427 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:57,160 going to have or we're just going to recommend it to the council or I would say councilman 428 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,300 only has something to say. 429 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:05,640 No, I'm just, I always worry about taxes but I also understand why we need to do what 430 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:05,900 we do. 431 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:13,640 So to me it's a double-edged sword but I mean we have to also retain people but that's 432 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,080 my concern. 433 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:15,140 And it's a range. 434 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:20,500 Right, so we can, yeah we could be a little picky on it which is good but I mean I'm 435 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,240 full agreement. I've talked to the administration several times. I'm full agreement. We need to 436 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,920 keep our people. We can keep our people. I just want to just want to always keep my eye on the 437 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,720 other ball too. Sure. I agree. You know I had some people after the story ran in the Valley 438 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,160 Rees last week say you know why why are they that just getting the normal 3% like everybody 439 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,820 else does and the difference is if you get 3% you can do that the next 10 years and we're 440 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:48,380 still not going to catch up. We're still not going to be where we're supposed to be when 441 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:49,660 when it comes to the salary ranges, 442 00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:51,920 we're at a lot of these positions 443 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,600 where they're underpaid compared to other communities. 444 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:57,620 So, this is why we need to revamp it 445 00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:01,660 and then go back to the old way of standard raises. 446 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,220 So, but you know, I think a lot of that got missed 447 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:07,580 and a lot of things get missed in stories, 448 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:09,040 but that was a big thing. 449 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:09,920 Amen to that. 450 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,980 And there's a lot of positions that we have here 451 00:32:14,980 --> 00:32:18,620 at Town Hall that require professional certifications. 452 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,980 And those people that have to be professionally certified 453 00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:27,040 can certainly get much more in the private sector 454 00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:29,900 and can go to some of our neighboring towns 455 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,020 and get poached. 456 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,560 Well, that's what I said to one of the people 457 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,980 that commented about, you know, I only get 3%. 458 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:39,420 I said, well, if you were offered a job 459 00:32:39,420 --> 00:32:43,100 to get 10,000 more doing your same job 15 minutes 460 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:45,720 it's from home, you wouldn't take the job, you know, so, yeah. 461 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:48,160 Okay, so is there a motion? 462 00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:50,180 Motion to recommend to the council 463 00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:51,660 to adopt the salary ordinance. 464 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:52,820 Second. 465 00:32:53,380 --> 00:32:54,100 All in favor? 466 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:54,820 Aye. 467 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:57,140 Okay, and a public comment. 468 00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:58,560 I never have public comment 469 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,480 on my subcommittee meeting, so. 470 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,820 I welcome public comment. 471 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:04,480 Do 472 00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:14,960 you knock on street, Nathan? 473 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,460 First, I'd just like to commend Mr. O'Neill 474 00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:22,780 uncaring so much about his district. 475 00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:25,540 It's really refreshing to sit here 476 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:28,440 and hear you say so much about your streets 477 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,500 and the people and how you're having a burden 478 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:32,980 and you're trying to help it. 479 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,080 No offense, Mr. Maxu. 480 00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:36,920 I haven't had that at all. 481 00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:40,160 It's been a year that we've been coming here 482 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,520 talking about it. 483 00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:43,720 Yes, we haven't been here for a couple of months. 484 00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:45,320 I enjoyed four to six weeks 485 00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:46,520 and then I don't know, 486 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,000 I didn't have to deal with any traffic on our street. 487 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,200 I think first I would want to say, 488 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,460 if you came on our street last week, 489 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,100 it was a week of Sundays, it was school vacation week. 490 00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:02,460 So every single day, the street was flooded with cars. 491 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960 They parked in front of my house and in front of my walkway. 492 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,800 There are no sidewalks, so that means a car is a buddy 493 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,140 right up to my shrubs. 494 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:14,220 My daughter has two kids, four and two. 495 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,340 she'll come over, struggle to find a parking spot, 496 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:19,520 has to walk in the middle of the road 497 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,560 to get into my house with those two little kids. 498 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,920 So it's not solved, it's not better. 499 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:25,920 I'm sure some of my neighbors 500 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,400 have maybe mentioned to you as well that he moved. 501 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:32,500 There is a parking lot attendant and he does his best, 502 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,540 but we can't make people do what they don't want to do. 503 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,940 So quite frequently we see them parked in the wrong spot, 504 00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:41,920 he'll tell them to move, they'll give flak. 505 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:48,980 this weekend somebody was actually in my neighbor's driveway and said they wouldn't move their car until they were off their telephone call. 506 00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:55,440 Sunday morning, I'm coming back down my street. The car is whizzing out of the parking lot and it almost hits me. 507 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:03,020 I'm in the car and I, you know, motioned with my boys to slow down. I'm having an altercation trying to get to my own home. 508 00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:04,400 That's just not right. 509 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:10,560 You mentioned a very word that struck me who said density. We have to look at density. 510 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:17,100 You didn't even really talk about my street, you were more concerned with the street in Albion and the school street. 511 00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:22,060 I did a little math about my way here, so when we talk about density on Hopkins Street, 512 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,040 as you are probably aware, there is only parking on one side of the street. 513 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:33,200 If I count the total amount of spots available on my street, it's 10. 514 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,900 And density, I counted the one, two, three, four, five, 515 00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:40,820 seven houses are on my street. 516 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,360 It's a total of 20 cars for the people that live in the homes. 517 00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:49,420 If I minus out driveway space for everybody, 518 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,560 that means there's an overflow of six residential cars 519 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,540 for people that live on the street for 10 slots. 520 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:00,820 That does not count. 521 00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:05,160 I have a family of six two of our kids are adults and don't live with us 522 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,940 They do like to come to our house quite often. We are a big family 523 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:11,200 We enjoy spending time with each other 524 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,800 My neighbor has four children themselves two of them live at home two of them don't so you know 525 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,720 It's tight as it is 526 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:25,980 So I do think a resident only even if it's within a certain hour that it's assigned resident only parking 527 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:34,000 9 to 5, 9 to 6, I don't know what it is, but it's not fixed, so please don't elude yourself 528 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:40,600 into thinking that having a gentleman standing at Berea's, telling people to move, has fixed 529 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,380 the problem. 530 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,000 I can spend once a month coming here, but I'm here, and tell you the same thing over 531 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,600 again, but I'm going to implore you to please find a solution. 532 00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:50,640 It's not fair. 533 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,760 Well, we certainly appreciate your comments, because I was under the impression that the 534 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,140 problem had essentially been resolved, so I'm going to take you back that I've never 535 00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:08,420 heard and I dealt with a lot of people about this, so I don't know if some people just 536 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:14,060 got tired of fighting the issue or not, but it's absolutely exhausting, sometimes I try 537 00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:18,580 everything I can to not be on my street on the weekend because it's just, it's 538 00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:21,800 so annoying and stressful, I shouldn't have to deal with that. 539 00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:25,400 I'm glad you're here because, again, I thought it was, I thought it was, yeah, pretty much 540 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:25,440 well. 541 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,040 The last couple of meetings, we were told that it's gotten better. 542 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,560 I know my dear neighbor, a very good friend of mine, he, I know he gave some of these 543 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,480 lip service saying it was fine, initially, yes it was, but people are going to do what 544 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,160 they want to do. 545 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,440 These are not, and I'm not being disparaging towards the customers of a business, 546 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,100 they're not, most of them don't live in Lincoln, they just come, they want 547 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,080 They run a park where they run a park. 548 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:49,280 They get mouthy with you. 549 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,880 They tell you you don't own a street. 550 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,540 I have to put, my husband puts cones out 551 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:56,140 so if my son leaves the house, 552 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200 he can come back home and park his car. 553 00:37:58,820 --> 00:37:59,900 It's like Tetris. 554 00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:04,360 It's crazy what we are still continuing to endure. 555 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:05,880 I'm glad they're doing well. 556 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,120 Frank's has a parking lot attendant 557 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:09,700 at the top of my street. 558 00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:12,580 Now that the car wash is open, come right on the weekend. 559 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,180 I welcome every single one of you 560 00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:16,420 to please come by around 11 o'clock on a Sunday, 561 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:21,180 especially if it's nice that when the car wash is open, it's very challenging to get 562 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:24,400 on and off the street. I'm quite shocked there hasn't been an accident there yet. 563 00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:29,220 It's time it's off the avenue a couple of days. Thank you. 564 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,960 So I came and spoke at 565 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,440 the last meeting on some of my initial thoughts on the ordinance and I'm glad 566 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,380 to see some of my own concerns addressed tonight. 567 00:38:56,140 --> 00:39:00,560 I'm also not necessarily opposed to an ordinance like this. 568 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:04,200 I absolutely recognize that parking can be difficult, 569 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,860 especially as we continue to deal with issues like housing. 570 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:12,720 But at least in its current form, 571 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,000 I do believe that the ordinance needs some revisions. 572 00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:19,960 And I think looking to a couple of the other municipalities 573 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,580 that have ordinances like this would be really beneficial. 574 00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:29,520 So for example, one of the concerns that I had 575 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,740 in our initial ordinance is that guests may receive, 576 00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:38,160 or residents may receive a guest permit 577 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,940 or may be allowed to have guests. 578 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,620 And that it is up to the discretion 579 00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:44,900 of the Chief of Police. 580 00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:59,160 While I, I think that it would be better suited if we did it similar to a community like just 581 00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,600 trying to see. 582 00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:09,680 There's only a couple that have resident only parking ordinances, but for example, Jamestown, 583 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,180 Each dwelling unit qualifies for one general visitor pass. 584 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,980 In Newport, I believe each qualifies for one general pass. 585 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:24,560 In North Kingston, each dwelling unit qualifies for two guest permits. 586 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:32,660 So a change like that to allow for a guest permit just to be guaranteed for each person on that street 587 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:36,840 I think is important to ensure that people can have guests over 588 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,360 and feel like that they're not being policed, 589 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,040 needing to contact the police every time, 590 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,320 and going to the idea of possibly, you know, 591 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:50,340 neighbors going after other neighbors. 592 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,700 I've had, you know, issues like that, not with parking, 593 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,620 but I think like over 10 years ago, you know, 594 00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:58,360 one of my neighbors really hated our dogs, 595 00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,580 so they would purposefully blast music 596 00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:04,240 out of a radio or whatever, 597 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,460 out of their window to get our dogs to bark, 598 00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:08,020 and then call the police on us. 599 00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:11,800 Thankfully, that didn't cause any problems, 600 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,940 but that is an example of someone, you know, 601 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000 just trying to go after another neighbor. 602 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,980 And I do think having a guest permit system 603 00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:20,620 is important to make sure that that doesn't happen. 604 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,600 When it comes to criteria, 605 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,760 I do think that that is also very important, 606 00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:28,880 having more specific criteria 607 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,400 about why we pick certain streets 608 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,440 for resident-only parking, 609 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:44,860 Going back to a couple of other municipal examples, in North Kingston, they have a purpose statement 610 00:41:44,860 --> 00:41:49,140 that lays out seven different goals for residential parking. 611 00:41:50,720 --> 00:42:00,520 In Newport, they have one that lays out nine goals, and in one of them, they not only 612 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,360 those goals, not only are they just goals, they're also required criteria for 613 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,000 that road to meet before it can be considered as a resident only parking 614 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:18,880 road. And then the last thing that I would really say is in regards to which 615 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,080 roads, again which roads are chosen for resident residential only parking, in a 616 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,740 couple of these municipalities they actually require residents of that 617 00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:32,580 street to sign a petition with a majority of the people on that road. 618 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,320 That petition then has to go to the town or city clerk. A couple of their 619 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:43,880 municipalities require a public hearing that does notify all of butters to of 620 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,880 that hearing and whether that street should be designated as resident only 621 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:53,660 parking. So yes in conclusion I do believe that in ordinance like this has 622 00:42:53,660 --> 00:43:01,320 I guess it's purposes, but I do think it needs to be refined before we actually put it into practice. 623 00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:07,070 Mr. Chair, just for a quick statement I just want to make. 624 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:11,550 So the town administrator did do some due diligence and he went out to other communities and got this information. 625 00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:20,310 I can sit here and tell you that my other part of my life has been too busy and too complicated to get involved and help in with that. 626 00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:26,930 so that's on me. I haven't been able to do much research or work on this, but he's 627 00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:31,690 done his work. The town administrator has done his job of trying to see comparing 628 00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:36,950 other communities and stuff like that and it's easy to say, yeah we should do 629 00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:41,630 this, we should do that, when it's not affecting your property. When 630 00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:44,430 something's not affecting your property, if you don't live there, 631 00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:49,410 it's easy to say, oh yeah, you know, there's probably a good idea or a good 632 00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:53,190 plan when it affects your property and it becomes a good plan? 633 00:43:54,430 --> 00:44:02,430 Well, I mean, we discussed, when we were discussing this in some of the issues, we discussed perhaps 634 00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:08,450 trying to change the general visitor pass and more permanent things. 635 00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:11,030 So that's something that we had discussed. 636 00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:16,530 Councilman Maxow had some concerns about the criteria, 637 00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:22,550 which we're going to hand off to the town planner to see if the town planner can establish 638 00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:30,670 some criteria there. And then finally, you know, he had mentioned the petition or maybe 639 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:35,130 certified notice with a public hearing. And again, here I am asking you to go down to 640 00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:42,130 Lichester. So, you know, these are things that we probably could take a look at. I'm 641 00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:47,730 I'm so, so glad that, you know, Mrs. Scully come back 642 00:44:48,910 --> 00:44:52,250 and give us an update on the area or something. 643 00:44:52,850 --> 00:44:54,450 Are there any more public comments on this? 644 00:44:56,540 --> 00:44:58,280 Okay, is there a motion to adjourn? 645 00:44:58,460 --> 00:44:58,820 So moved. 646 00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,160 Second. 647 00:44:59,680 --> 00:44:59,980 All in favor. 648 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,640 All right, all right, all right. 649 00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:05,470 I'll stop really quick right into the claim committee. 650 00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:06,010 Um, 651 00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:10,330 I'll do it as soon as Lily says so.