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>> Hey, here's guy.

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>> All right. Well, welcome everybody. We

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want to kind of kick this off on time.

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Um, we have a lot to discuss and we are

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so grateful that you all took the time

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to come be here. We know that your time

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involved. Um, and so meeting with our

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city really means a lot. Um, we are, so

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I'm just going to officially announce

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this is for the record. Um, we're

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opening the meeting here at the

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Tibonogus School District Board here at

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5:15 p.m. on Monday, May 4th here in the

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Lynen City Chambers. And I'll be

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conducting Mayor Carolyn Lumbard here

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for this work session. Um, so welcome.

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of like a council circle versus you

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looking up at us on the DAS. [laughter]

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comfortable and we can just speak freely

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and and uh yeah, we're excited about

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what's going to be happening in the

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future with you all. So, we listed here

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um a number of discussion items that we

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had thought of and certainly uh anything

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that you want to discuss with us in ways

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that we can help as a city we certainly

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welcome and this is going to be a true

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partnership in our minds as a council

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staff. So, um hopefully you had a kind

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>> great so first of all we want to excuse

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Sterling Hilton and Grace Rex they were

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unable to make it other Sterling may

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come but he did know he could reorganize

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his schedule at times so um want to

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excuse them and we are also excited to

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be here to to get this this partnership

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kind of continue to like strengthen. Um

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accomplishments first. So since we met

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last as the interlocal with the pass off

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meeting with the interlocal and passing

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things off to us to start getting to

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work, we did we were able to hire a

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superintendent. We want to thank the the

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city of Lynon for utilizing this space

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to do our interviews. It worked so well

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was so helpful with that. We're

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appreciative of that. Um, so we've hired

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Joe Dr. Joe Jensen as our superintendent

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Jason Sunberg as our business

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administrator and then they hired Karen

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hiring employees and getting things

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progress? No, we're we're thrilled. I

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change that you could be sworn in

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tremendous job very

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» yeah can you talk to about our school we

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opened up because that will affect some

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Pearson school was going to be

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short-term solution for those students

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American Fork. Um, they will be educated

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same facility for the 18 to 22 year olds

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Ohio that have special needs that are

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served at the local schools, they would

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come and be served at the uh TEK or

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whatever we end up naming.

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been served better by the board that was

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elected and people chose to leave.

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the business administrator.

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David Smith and I represent west of the

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freeway in all of vineyard and pieces of

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Carter executive assistant.

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>> Joe Jensen superintendent

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graduate of Aspen Oak Canyon and PG

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>> Well, Westmore, Lincoln or High

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>> Adam Cowi, the city administrator.

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director. Mike Florence, community

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development director.

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operations, secretary for the facilities

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accomplishments or overview of your

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boundary study. We call it the MOABs,

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the mother of all boundary studies. And

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end of the district all the way to the

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south because we recognize that things

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objective is to create robust and

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thriving schools from kindergarten up to

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parents to get our criteria. So, we know

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as a board, we recognize that we're

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seven people and we have an idea of what a robust elementary and secondary

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as I think we've learned in all this

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process that the more information we

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gather from constituents just learning

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going to other schools, I mean other

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we're finding we don't know everything.

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in leadership, so I'm saying maybe some

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staff on them. And then we also want to help just set the criteria. That's

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trying to make all these changes and use

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this wonderful tool that actually Alpine

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create a Jason's going to be doing that

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talk about what a healthy school looks

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also officially launching the boundary

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study which is has a timeline that's

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regulated by law.

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>> Yeah. So it's there are certain things

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and we don't want to just hit those required by law. Our goal is to go

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above and beyond to make sure our

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constituents feel heard and that we are

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fully informed as to to what we want to

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do. And we're looking our goal is to

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look very far ahead like 20 or 30 years

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down the road. We don't want to be

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making decisions that are just good for

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the

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>> people feel disrupted.

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>> Yeah, some years down the road that

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sounds great.

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>> That will also include a study of

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programs.

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I've been impressed just how transparent

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this board is about

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to be completely open.

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I would simply add again to your point

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about public input. I think it's we want to provide mult points for that.

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Not just

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when we're establishing the criteria.

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The main focus I think of the

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staff through the summer. So, we plan to

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>> and I know that our staff communicates

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well, particularly with your city

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planner.

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I think we need to to be talking with

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each other.

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» Okay. The tsd projected financial over

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» [laughter]

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>> I think we're down to two.

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>> Yeah, just kind of a high level summary

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here. So what for many years we've

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looked at Alpine looked at okay if this

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configuration was in district split or

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this one what would it look like once we

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have the full data so the last year we

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were able to do that where we have

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actuals is for fiscal year 25 which

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ended last June June of 25 and so in

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looking at that the schools that are in

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the Tempoga school district and the

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estimated revenue that would come just

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when we're looking at operations

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estimated about an 18 to20 million

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annual deficit

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how the schools with the expenses that

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are at the schools actual expenses and

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then looking at okay there was this many

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students and this is an estimated

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overhead cost per student at the

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district level we estimated that so

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something we're we're looking at. Um and

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that's that 20 million or 18 to 20

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million is about um 8 to 10.

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So looking at ways I did a presentation

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to the school board back in December

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just looking how can we make that how

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can we correct that deficit. So there's

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really three ways to do that. Just keep

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expenses where they are and raise

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revenue which would be through property

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taxes or be able to lower the expenses

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um in the the schools and keep revenue

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where it is or some combination of both.

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So, as we're looking at things, we're

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thinking that option three is going to

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be the most likely as we're looking at

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different things to be able to make that

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work. Um the nice thing right now Alpine

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School District could set up a building

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fund in the capital fund that generates

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for Tempog would generate about $20

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million per year. So, if there's

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the combination there. We won't have to

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necessarily do it all through raising

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taxes. There's some movement that can

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happen between taxes

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that we close as Alpine closes this

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fiscal year that'll end in a month or

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so. We'll do another

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starting December

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first

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is that what's been helpful. We've been

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working with ASD and as we hire from

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employees that are current ASD

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employees. Uh ASD is continuing to pay

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their salaries because we don't our $60

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a student that we're getting would not

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cover the staff that we've hired to this

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point. So that is being covered by ASD

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because they so they will continue to

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work for ASD like Dave and Zach are

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still working for ASD and are

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technically ASD employees through July

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of 2027. But is going to allow them to

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be our

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um work for us maybe one day a week

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starting in July and they can have time

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that they can help us right now too. But

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so it's kind of this graduated um

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step by step transition to come in and

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work for us. So we're not paying

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» and and Joe work Joe is working he um

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with Joel Perkins who is the Aston Peak

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superintendent and Vicky Carter who is

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the Lake Mountain superintendent. So

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they coordinate that so and they try to

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keep it even and fair as far as as

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hiring you say they're working well

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together. We are yeah I think a couple

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things that people have brought up is

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are there well you know interlocal

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agreement opportunities to

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you know.

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>> Yeah. And we're working on that

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>> versus reinventing the wheel for all

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three.

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>> Yeah, we're working on that with

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negotiations. So, Sterling and I and Joe

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are on the committee that is negotiating

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with Lake Mountain and Aspen piece. And

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so, yeah, we are like people we have

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various things that we're like we're

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working on. Intellectual property, how

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are we going to handle stuff that was

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created

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>> IP? So, intellectual property, how are

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we going to handle that?

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services, transportation, there's a

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whole host of things that we are it's in flow. So, it's not that we can

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say or report anything, but it is in

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discussion.

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>> Are there any uh bonds that are falling

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off in the near future where you know

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you could have a new bond that just

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replaces an old bond so for the general

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public taxes just stay?

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>> Yeah, it's a great question. So, there

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the last few years there's been

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debt a big drop off now it's kind of

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stable but the next 8 to 10 years the

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geo bond debt will go away the least

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revenue bond goes out to about 15 or 16

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that's something we'll Look at

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» the LB is kind of an internally

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funded based revenue is not require

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But we are limited as to how much we

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» three years and the the payment for

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those can't come from the debt service

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levy that the geo bond generates. So

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with the general obligation bond the

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voters have approved that. So whatever

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interests

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me an understanding potentially save the

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cost of standing up from scratch

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maybe on a smaller scale initially

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>> most of them

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Peak and

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just because

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>> there's more there's more between as

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peaks and typographically

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>> but there are a handful that include all

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three

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» and nothing has been signed. Those will

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be coming you know as they're created.

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You know how it works with you have

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three different entities and something

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comes it's like oh I don't like the way

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this we need to change this a little bit

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then it goes back to the drawing board

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and so it's just it's just a process

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» um moving on the uh drop off and pickup

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traffic and parking congestion safety at

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some of our schools. Yeah. So this was

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um I talked I Just in the first

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iteration of this, it mentioned Oak

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Canyon. And so I went and met with Oak

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Canyon about their issues and they

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recognized that there is a lot of

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uh but they have also

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done they've worked with they've hired a

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traffic engineer to come and work and

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they have closed some entrance and exits

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to try to make the flow be more just one

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way. Um options that they suggested but

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would be on on your end as far as the

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city would be um to the west and being

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able to create a turn lane on Canal or

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Eagles whatever canal drive right there

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and then the other would be making

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and so people could only come in from the south and then exit out through

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canal drive some of the flow our

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engineers haveordinated some improvement

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on flow. Parking is still and I know

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maybe um our city administrator Adam

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Cowi could kind of share on the map,

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» you know, and for time here tonight,

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maybe it's just it's we'll we'll look at

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this really fast, but maybe just point

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us

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>> point us in the right direction for who

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we can talk with in the future. So,

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This was never a problem when Steve and

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I were the assistant and just to make it

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clear we figured that out.

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>> All right.

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>> So, so right now we've and you're

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probably most of you are familiar with

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this is where we've got parents that

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stack all the way down this side of the

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roadway and there's really not enough

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room for them to park. Um, and then we

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have a huge amount of kids that I think

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their parents are just saying go over to

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the church. And so this this becomes a

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drop off and pickup area and a lot of

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congestion with kids on this

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intersection. And

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>> over 100 cars to park there within a

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15inute period of time.

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>> So I think for the purposes of tonight

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uh we we can introduce ourselves to your

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facilities

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>> uh director there and and talk more

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about this. We know this is still Alpine

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School District, but just wanted to give

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you a heads up and and and to kind of

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lead into the SRO conversation on that

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next bullet point, a similar issue. We

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know that's currently Alpine, but um

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Jason and I have had a few conversations

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and we'd love to talk more about that in

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the future. So,

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>> Adam, would you just share the quick

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couple of ideas like to to use that back

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area a little bit more and utilize that

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for parking?

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>> Yeah, our city engineer actually met

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with um some of the people here at

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Alpine. It's probably been a year and a

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half or two years ago. Um, this this

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space back here, you can see actually

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it's underutilized with parking and

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there is a little access road that goes

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around the back of the school. And so

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we've we've been curious if there's

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ability to put more teacher parking back

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here perhaps where it frees up some

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space out front. Just

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>> throwing that out.

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a lot of students and where that's

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almost kind of a blind corner. They're

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concerned about they talked about also

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putting having buses do that and then

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they could capture that that north

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parking lot a little bit better and

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utilize that for drop off. But that turn

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a school bus just can't do it. It can't

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turn that 90

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additional parking back.

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>> They do use that green space. So they

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have a nine square permanent nine square

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now um back in that green space and they

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are encouraging students to use the

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green space between the buildings

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>> a little bit more with the new cell

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phone policy up [clears throat]

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» this is part of the concern right now is

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we have a lot of parents that line the

547
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,200
street and we've got kids jumping across

548
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200
the road way while there's also traffic

549
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,640
going through it and so we'll we'll just

550
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,400
wanted to introduce the issue to you

551
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,760
tonight and then we'll keep talking

552
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,000
about though they know they have that

553
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000
entrance. There's no exit there anymore.

554
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,480
So that that traffic flow should not be

555
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,720
coming in and out right there. It should

556
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,880
just be going in. And then you should

557
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,720
just have it. And they've encouraged

558
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,760
parents to just drop off actually up at

559
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240
that that more northern where it's just

560
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,480
grass and not do it in the parking lot

561
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,480
area. So there should be a a cue, but

562
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,440
>> you know do what you tell them to do.

563
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,360
sometimes doesn't work very well. Also,

564
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,960
that back area. So, we have the the

565
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,640
trailers back there. There is a little

566
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,279
bit of parking back in in that on that

567
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,000
northeast corner, but that is also the

568
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,520
that's where students go. So, they come

569
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,600
out that very north end and then they

570
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,840
walk over to the trailers. So, we would

571
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080
want it makes sense that they keep that

572
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,400
traffic minimized just because there is

573
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,880
>> the road there has had no parking signs

574
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,880
all along that west boundary because the

575
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,440
road isn't wide enough. Yeah. So, I was

576
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,360
talking with Ben about that and it is

577
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,840
it's the the canal is open to about

578
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,760
halfway through where those trees are.

579
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,080
Um, is it possible to pave because I did

580
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,760
I searched the plat map and it's owned

581
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,520
by Ali School District, but is there can

582
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,039
we pave over that area?

583
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:46,480
>> Could we widen the road a little bit so

584
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,400
there's actual proper parking? You can

585
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,880
see in that photoally parking

586
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,679
>> when you say parking mean standing like

587
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:55,200
>> they're not parking and going into the

588
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,200
school. Some of them are in the evening,

589
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,960
especially for evening activities. That

590
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,799
whole road says no parking, but it's

591
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,880
filled with people parking and like Adam

592
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,159
said, kids are running across the road

593
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:05,360
because parents are waiting over there,

594
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,640
but it's a it's an unsized road profile

595
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,279
already.

596
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,320
>> Yeah. So,

597
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,240
>> what because I had been told as just as

598
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,120
a parent that um you oh, we can't pave

599
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,679
over canal, but then we followed that

600
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,520
canal as it goes all the way through

601
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,159
Orum and Pleasant Grove and there's

602
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,159
plenty of places where it's paved over.

603
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:27,120
It's built over. So I I don't know.

604
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,120
>> Can it be done? Yes, it would be very

605
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,720
expensive because we would have to make

606
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,399
sure that that canal pipe that's

607
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:34,080
underneath it either supports that

608
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,480
traffic load or is removed.

609
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,360
>> And so there's some footage though like

610
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,600
the grass there was a distance before

611
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,159
the pipe.

612
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:43,919
>> Not to belabor this, but you're asking

613
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:46,480
to park vehicles here and then have kids

614
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
cross the street. Oh, I my ask would be

615
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,760
to keep it that way and we enforce that

616
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,760
there's no parking there, but to give a

617
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,399
third lane, have a turn lane.

618
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:57,919
>> We'll have to keep talking about this.

619
00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:59,600
So, I'd love to get our city engineer

620
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,279
involved. So,

621
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,520
>> and the traffic's just going to get

622
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,360
worse with the temple traffic because of

623
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,080
the

624
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,880
>> Exactly.

625
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,919
>> There's going to be a lot of people

626
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:11,760
accessing the temple through this.

627
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,640
>> So, that leads us into our uh our

628
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,320
resource officer coordination. So,

629
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240
>> you know, on this item right now, we

630
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,399
just we just wanted to bring it to your

631
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,000
attention that there's some disparity

632
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,960
between what what some of the SRO's are being paid as far as the parent

633
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520
entity that that hires those SRO's. And

634
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520
so, it was just bringing that to your

635
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,559
attention. And then our our chief had brought up some additional things

636
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,200
with the agreement that we'd like to see

637
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
um addressed or looked at in the future.

638
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,080
And so we can again I think tonight was

639
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,760
just point us in the right direction and

640
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,200
we can start with with your

641
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,720
administrators and superintendent and

642
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,230
>> follow

643
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,679
» uh school resource officer

644
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:00,240
>> so that's officer

645
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,279
>> but I think you're talking about

646
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,039
comparison of other cities right

647
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,520
>> isn't that is it I was my understanding

648
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,760
it was standard through the district

649
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Just this current fiscal year we're in

650
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,320
there was budget approved to bring all

651
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:30,630
the cities

652
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,200
but I did check with provo and they're

653
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,480
in the same

654
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,640
but my understanding that's not what the

655
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880
officers are making that's

656
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,840
from the district.

657
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,960
>> We do appreciate the at all the schools,

658
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,630
but I wor

659
00:30:52,640 --> 00:31:05,269
for a bit then we switched over to

660
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,120
» um All right. So, our parks and rec

661
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200
director maybe Keith could share about

662
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,640
how love to have a little bit more

663
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640
collaboration with.

664
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
>> Thank you, mayor. Um, you know, Neibo,

665
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880
speaking of Neibo District, they have

666
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,799
Anita's thing. My colleagues in Nebo

667
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,679
District have keys to the schools

668
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:24,799
and they the schools have keys and a

669
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,320
usage [clears throat] to the pools for

670
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,760
their swim teams

671
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,880
>> and for those situations. I would hope

672
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,760
I'm sure that or if you just bump them

673
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,919
pleasant and vineyard all of us would be

674
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,399
in the same they don't even really keep

675
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,159
track of what you rented what we rented

676
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,000
they just kind of get together and sum

677
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,840
it up well you used a lot more than us

678
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,519
and maybe we ought to have a little

679
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,200
money but if that's working in neibo uh

680
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600
we would love and we've been to ASD

681
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,399
several times as parks directors in the

682
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,960
last five or seven years and met with

683
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,640
their assigned person for that they

684
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,559
didn't interested in it. We actually

685
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,480
brought someone from MEO to help explain

686
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,880
it and there wasn't much interest there

687
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,200
from the current folks, but if we could

688
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,440
just look at that and see if we could

689
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,360
just be a real good partner and we take

690
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,679
care of the janitor service and city,

691
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:17,279
you know, we just be a really good

692
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,519
partner. We clean up. We take care of

693
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,360
the buildings as if they were ours and

694
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,880
the school district would do the same

695
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,120
for facilities that they need from us.

696
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,399
In Limon, it'll be a little different.

697
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:27,519
We don't have a lot that the school

698
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,760
district wants, but we also don't have a

699
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,440
high school. So, we've got a junior high

700
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,519
gym and and a couple elementary gyms.

701
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,080
So, we wouldn't have a big ask either,

702
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,000
but uh maybe

703
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,039
>> what is currently utilized between with

704
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,519
Lynon Parks and Wreck and

705
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,000
>> we use Oak Canyon quite a bit and then

706
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,640
we use

707
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,399
>> you use just the gym space or do you use

708
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:49,039
any field space?

709
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,279
>> We do use we don't use any field space.

710
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,840
>> Okay. We'd love to but we haven't used

711
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,840
that in big field but also the

712
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,360
auditorium we've used.

713
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,080
>> Okay.

714
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,360
>> Um and then the elementary mostly Lynon

715
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Elementary it's close by us and we've

716
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,039
been able to drop over there and have a

717
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:06,960
basketball league over there. Principles

718
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,559
have been great. Kate Ross is

719
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,159
outstanding.

720
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:13,760
>> She's been really helpful to us. But uh

721
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,360
it could be a little easier and smoother

722
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,240
for both I think if we could just figure

723
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,279
and then years ago if I just One more

724
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,760
thing. Years ago, the school district, I

725
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,039
don't know if they did it inadvertently

726
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,360
or not, but it seemed that they put like

727
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,720
the uh AAOU basketball as a priority

728
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,200
ahead of the city rec programs. So,

729
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
those those groups were getting priority

730
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,679
gym time because of the revenue, I'm

731
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:41,039
sure, but that really hurts us for

732
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,159
charging $30 a kid for recreation

733
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:44,720
basketball.

734
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,480
>> And is it safe to say that you guys are

735
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,000
increasing your more of your fields? It

736
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,799
seems like like

737
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,960
>> Yeah, we we're always building.

738
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,480
>> Yeah, we had about 600 700 kids in

739
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,320
basketball. Maybe not quite seven, but

740
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,440
650 in basketball, but our soccer is 12

741
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,159
or 1100 right around there kids. So,

742
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:06,880
we're we're we're growing. We service a

743
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520
lot of South Orum and and some of

744
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,720
Pleasant Grove.

745
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,399
>> So many of our kids aren't so many of

746
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:14,720
our kids bleed over into schools in

747
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,200
other cities that these aren't.

748
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,879
>> So, I don't think this is a Lyndon ask.

749
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:21,200
I think if you ask the other cities,

750
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,079
yeah, the the other directors, well,

751
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,440
we're all on the same page. It would

752
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,839
just be like maybe Neibo handles that. I

753
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,440
don't know the exact details, but it's

754
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,520
more of a partnership than you rent from

755
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,320
me and I'll rent from you and then my

756
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,359
rates go up and your rates go down and

757
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:38,879
so we could just maybe look into that in

758
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:39,599
the future.

759
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,000
>> And we have collaborated with Nebo. I

760
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,679
have anyway with their president down

761
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,240
there. So I will who is it that we would

762
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:47,839
talk to if we vote you know

763
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:49,679
>> you know I have to admit I think I would

764
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,480
pass this off well I have a couple

765
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,320
colleagues in Springville in the city of

766
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,159
Springville and I don't because we don't

767
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,480
have a big ask for schools I don't know

768
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,560
the contact person right now

769
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,359
>> but the

770
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,000
>> yeah and there's this just been when my

771
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,320
colleague jingles the keys to the

772
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
schools and says well we don't have to

773
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,480
have that much that we do as a city that

774
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,720
I mean maybe we can all mention a couple

775
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,960
things that we contribute to the schools

776
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,280
is you know elementary this just a few

777
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,760
months ago we had they had an emergency

778
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,440
drill and acting like a if there was you

779
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,160
know an active shooter and they used our

780
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,920
community center as the place for

781
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,800
parents to pick up and kind of have the

782
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,640
operations there. So you [clears throat]

783
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,480
know our community center is very

784
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,720
interchangeable.

785
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,640
We also do many grants to all the

786
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
teachers out of our budget every year.

787
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,320
We I think how many how many grants did

788
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,280
we get? 22

789
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480
teachers that they can apply for Aspen

790
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,480
Oak Canyon all thearies. So, um,

791
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,640
>> Jen, I'm happy to to find out from my

792
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,359
colleagues who

793
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:03,839
>> that

794
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:05,680
Yeah, I'm happy to find that out. And

795
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520
when Kate was at this school here, Kate

796
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Ross was here at this school, she'd call

797
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,320
me up and she'd say, "Proble with my

798
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,800
gym. I got to send come on over." And

799
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,440
that was a really great partnership. And

800
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,240
she we just it was so slick, so nice.

801
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,839
instead of worrying about too much of

802
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:23,359
the fee schedule to be honest with you.

803
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:25,119
>> And a lot of the kids at the last week

804
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,640
of school, they call up heat and they

805
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,150
come have a swim day.

806
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,390
» If it's snowing the last

807
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,000
we've tried to do parties sometimes

808
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000
like, oh, it's 53 degrees. We're not

809
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,480
gonna go [laughter] to

810
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,480
>> Okay. All right. So, update on the

811
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,720
potential tsd admin office. We've heard

812
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,750
some

813
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,079
So, um, as it sits right now, we are

814
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,560
looking to utilize our current campus

815
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,359
there in that we have in Lynon. So,

816
00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:59,760
we're looking at different storage

817
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,640
facility.

818
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,320
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. So, that we're just

819
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,560
calling that our Lynon. So, it houses

820
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,520
physical facilities now and um

821
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,920
technology and purchasing. So, that's

822
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,480
where Joe and Karen and Jason have their

823
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,960
offices is in in that building right

824
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,920
there. Uh, 490 North State. And there's

825
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,640
a good piece of land in front to build

826
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,680
and expand.

827
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,480
>> Yeah. So, so that's that's our our

828
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
thinking right now. So, and there's a

829
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,240
lot of space behind. Um

830
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,960
Yeah, that's actually being used a lot.

831
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,760
They that's where the main facilities

832
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,520
for Alpine School District is housed.

833
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,760
They have their they have a whole almost

834
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,920
business thing happening back there with

835
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,359
electrician, HVAC, plumbing.

836
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:50,079
carpeting carpentry.

837
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:54,160
>> Um yeah, so um really great asset that

838
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,079
we're we're taking

839
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:02,079
and we we were we have ideas on how to

840
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,670
make

841
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,520
» we love that it's we love that it's

842
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,079
centrally located. It's on State Street.

843
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,200
So I mean there's it's we just think

844
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,640
that's that's a good location. Is there

845
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,880
you need from the city in regards to

846
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,280
this.

847
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,599
>> Is there a height regulation?

848
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:26,390
>> Yeah, zoning as far as

849
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,630
» stories.

850
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Is that including any steeples we put on

851
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,320
it? [laughter]

852
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,920
>> We have to have two steeples.

853
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,680
>> Now, if you do have any site planning

854
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,000
issues or questions on utilities, Mike

855
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,520
Lawrence with our community development

856
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,040
office

857
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,599
to Enter through the lower side of our

858
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:48,960
building just down here on the lower

859
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,030
parking lot.

860
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,400
» Do you have a city plan as far as

861
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,680
planning for the future plan?

862
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,599
>> I mean, I think that road was originally

863
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,520
planned to connect all the way through.

864
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:20,870
I don't

865
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,079
property there is for sale.

866
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,760
adjacent to that

867
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:42,230
>> loc.

868
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,240
» It's a It's a residential. The res the

869
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,640
resto right hand corner.

870
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,520
>> Stray Sandra.

871
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,480
>> It's the Sandra.

872
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
>> Okay.

873
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,400
>> Bottom right. the bottom.

874
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,960
>> Yeah. And then the uh along State

875
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,839
Street, so the southwest

876
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:59,359
end

877
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:02,240
>> there. I've I've heard that some the

878
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,680
owner of that is planning to develop or

879
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,119
do something there. I don't know if you

880
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,760
want

881
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,119
something.

882
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:16,069
>> Do you have any updates on that? Our

883
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,079
goal is to put something that's gonna

884
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,440
be attractive and would be an asset to

885
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,430
the city of London. So

886
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,079
» we're going to call our home.

887
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,599
>> That's right.

888
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,880
>> District seat, right? [laughter]

889
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,640
>> We're hoping that you put in a Maverick

890
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,513
close to that.

891
00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:43,680
» [laughter]

892
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560
>> That's a very temp that's an example of

893
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,960
a very temporary need. We're thinking

894
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,040
long term. [laughter]

895
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,680
>> There is a swig and a fizz

896
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,079
>> block south.

897
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,079
>> They're on 400 North.

898
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:00,640
>> Yes.

899
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,319
>> Yeah. They talked about putting a gas

900
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:04,960
station there early, but the wife of the

901
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,960
person who owns it said he would need to

902
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,723
find a new wife. So, it's possible.

903
00:41:08,723 --> 00:41:10,079
[laughter]

904
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,319
>> I don't that they still own it. I I've

905
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:13,760
heard that the ownership may have

906
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,920
switched hands now. Are they

907
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,400
>> It was It was the same people that

908
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,670
>> was

909
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,430
not

910
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,790
pizza factory.

911
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:41,910
have that little rodeo ranch.

912
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,560
» We will need to have it completed by the

913
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,560
time we have employees. We need to have

914
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,319
a place to put our employees. So,

915
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,000
>> so we're hoping within our plan is

916
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,880
within a year

917
00:41:52,880 --> 00:42:05,190
>> year plus.

918
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,839
Um, okay. So, hey, we are getting

919
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:11,829
through this.

920
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:12,960
» I looked at this and I was like, there's

921
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,800
no way.

922
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,920
>> Like, there's no way.

923
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,880
>> There's a way.

924
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,280
>> Okay. So, future meeting schedule, we

925
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,160
would love to, you know, coordinate,

926
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,680
collaborate.

927
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,960
I know you mentioned in the past um in

928
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,000
the beginning sometimes

929
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,480
quarterly by annually what yeah whatever the council would like we are

930
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,720
meeting with ORM so we did a couple

931
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,359
weeks ago tax day and they we came to an

932
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:42,640
agreement that we would do it three

933
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,560
times a year so every four months but we

934
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,069
are

935
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,240
it might be more appropriate for us to

936
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,489
do it more often there

937
00:42:55,489 --> 00:43:00,720
>> [laughter]

938
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,304
>> that goes along with it.

939
00:43:05,314 --> 00:43:06,240
[laughter]

940
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,640
>> Now, you do know that London is the um

941
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,400
the high elves of it is the capital of

942
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,510
the higher. [laughter]

943
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,609
» Okay. [laughter]

944
00:43:25,619 --> 00:43:34,069
» [laughter]

945
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,560
» All right. Anyway,

946
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,560
>> so yeah,

947
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,440
I mean

948
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,880
>> I mean we can play by ear or we can just

949
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,599
council staff.

950
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,119
>> I think what we think

951
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,960
suggested since there were four cities

952
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,079
that we were coordinating with that we

953
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,040
could do one a month and hit everyone

954
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,680
throughout the year.

955
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,280
My thought was to get like

956
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,040
in my brain I was thinking okay each

957
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,280
quarter there's three months so we'd hit

958
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,480
each city and then double up one of the

959
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,240
months but then so when they wanted to

960
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,000
do it three times a year I was like okay

961
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000
that's fine I didn't push the issue

962
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,520
>> totally

963
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,440
>> three times a year would be once with

964
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,319
every four cities per month just

965
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,079
>> well we just have a meeting month but it

966
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,240
hasn't h

967
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,680
hasn't really happened that way because

968
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,560
we're going to double up in Okay. And so

969
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,680
>> I imagine that there's going to be

970
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,440
>> I know you're still figuring out the

971
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
boundary study thing, but I would highly

972
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,400
encourage that there's lots of meetings

973
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,160
>> and when we can come here. I don't know

974
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,440
if you plan to do it in the different

975
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,160
cities.

976
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,160
>> We really want to make sure people feel

977
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,720
like, and I liked your comment, early,

978
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,720
not towards the end, that they're

979
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,440
involved all the way. the transparency

980
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
comment that that's going to be critical

981
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,920
>> and and from the budget type of a thing.

982
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Everything we're doing to save money is

983
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,880
be the things I think to focus on as

984
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,960
well to make sure people know those I

985
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,800
know they are but it's helpful when

986
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,599
people hear

987
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,040
>> and I'm going to push back on you Van

988
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,079
because we're going to focus on the best

989
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,680
teaching and learning experiences for

990
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,720
our teachers for our kids and any

991
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,079
budgetary savings is going to be a side

992
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,480
effect. that's not going to be our our

993
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,240
main focus. Our main focus of this board

994
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,800
and I think of our staff is going to be

995
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,960
providing the best education. We have

996
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,520
three new districts that are going to be

997
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,800
in close geographical proximity. So, and

998
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,319
one of and I've talked with Carolyn

999
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:41,839
about this before. We want to attract

1000
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:45,359
our students back and so we're focused

1001
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:47,359
on on doing

1002
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,119
>> on doing that the best way solve the

1003
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,520
revenue issue is attracting back people

1004
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,440
who have chosen other education

1005
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,560
platforms

1006
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,800
>> and Lindon that's there's a big example

1007
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,920
of that.

1008
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,040
>> So um

1009
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,319
>> so that's what you're going to hear our

1010
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:03,839
focus is going to be a lot on what is

1011
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:06,720
creating the best schools what is that

1012
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,520
going to look like and I agree that

1013
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,720
there's going to be some cost savings

1014
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:11,920
that will come along with that, but

1015
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,079
that's not going to be our why. Our why

1016
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,839
is what is going to be best for teaching

1017
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:18,640
our students.

1018
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,119
>> To to Van's point though about the

1019
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,280
meetings and possibly even having a

1020
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,359
meeting here, one of the things I

1021
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,520
appreciated about our visit with Orum is

1022
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,680
they talked about

1023
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,800
using ORM's communications platforms to

1024
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,640
help get our message out. And so those types of things would be really

1025
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,480
helpful as well. Um I think anytime we

1026
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,240
can get as many stakeholders and you

1027
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,560
guys are obviously very influential

1028
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,720
stakeholders,

1029
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,119
you know, helping promote a message of

1030
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:50,960
this is about robust schools and

1031
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,079
>> positive,

1032
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,880
>> right? And and that's going to help

1033
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,560
because it's no matter what we do with

1034
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,240
any kind of consolidation, it's going to

1035
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,839
be high emotion.

1036
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:03,359
>> Yes, it will be. It's challenging.

1037
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:06,720
>> So how we do it matters and we the

1038
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,800
messaging getting everyone on board,

1039
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,880
feeling heard and on board. And I just

1040
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,520
have to to to give Van some kudos. I

1041
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,359
think to what Van is speaking to and

1042
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:16,640
what this council demonstrates, what

1043
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,280
this staff demonstrates is in Lynon, we

1044
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,160
are small town, big amenities, but we

1045
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,119
often find out of the box solutions to

1046
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,280
minimize raising taxes and fees, but not

1047
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,920
compromise service and quality of life

1048
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,160
in our community. So, I think that's I

1049
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,079
think that's the spirit of the message.

1050
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,880
>> Absolutely. the student experience.

1051
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,319
That's why we do this.

1052
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,400
>> It's it's really easy to raise a tax and

1053
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200
a fee versus just dig deep and find ways

1054
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,839
to justize and still get a great

1055
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:49,920
>> Well, that's what I'm excited about with

1056
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,599
um you know, the way Joe has set up his structure is it's hyper it's super

1057
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,599
focused on that teaching and learning.

1058
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,079
And what that actually does is there

1059
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,480
could be some savings costwise as far as

1060
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,160
having a smaller district

1061
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,839
some smaller district staff and just

1062
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,319
replicating everything that we need and

1063
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,880
you know replicating what ASD has done

1064
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,599
and so his his attention at having these

1065
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,599
this we call him the super six so it was

1066
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,240
the first six hires that he did um they

1067
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,839
also are going to be supervising schools

1068
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,400
so that takes out a layer of supervisors

1069
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,400
that ASD currently has just because of

1070
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,559
their size that they have the cabinet

1071
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,559
level then they have supervisors then

1072
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:31,440
you have the schools

1073
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,160
>> that's a great

1074
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,160
>> so so we are we're trying to think

1075
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:40,559
outside the box and it also puts district very close to

1076
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,040
schools which sometimes that distance

1077
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,760
creates some issues. Something that I

1078
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,680
think I've heard and I'm sure you're

1079
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,800
hearing and will hear is um when it

1080
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,359
became a east versus west kind of tribal

1081
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:56,880
situation before the split, you know, um

1082
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,880
a lot of people here are saying we still

1083
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,040
want to have we don't want these big

1084
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,280
giant magnet schools that everyone's

1085
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,040
commuting to and driving to and then

1086
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,520
they're huge. We still want to have that

1087
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,119
balance of the walkable bikable for the

1088
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,880
children neighborhood schools. They

1089
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,240
really are an asset in the what they do

1090
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,480
for quality of life and economic

1091
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,839
prosperity and just the kids having that

1092
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,160
maker. So we hope that the mindset for

1093
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,040
this district will be not gigantic super

1094
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,960
schools that are everyone has a drive to

1095
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,640
but

1096
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,000
we understand there's going to

1097
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,839
potentially be some property boundary

1098
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,400
shuffling the deck whatever but

1099
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,359
>> I've understood when you talk about

1100
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:44,640
schools that the concept I've understood

1101
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,119
it.

1102
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:46,880
>> Yeah. Is being able to provide

1103
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520
>> robust schools. You got everything in

1104
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,520
that area.

1105
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,119
>> Being able to provide like we're looking

1106
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:59,030
at specialty and programs and

1107
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,720
bulk of our payments or our costs as a

1108
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:09,030
district are going to be people, right?

1109
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,760
And we want to maximize that. Not don't

1110
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
maximize that we're going to make huge

1111
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,920
schools, but it's just maximizing each

1112
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,480
property to be able to impact each

1113
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,119
student's learning at the highest level.

1114
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,400
So, we want our students to have choice.

1115
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,319
And sometimes when our schools get so

1116
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:36,790
small, they don't have choices.

1117
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,480
» You get a small school,

1118
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,800
>> you can't have art and music and PE as a

1119
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,760
specialty. And so, impacts the whole

1120
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,760
school, all the kids and the teachers.

1121
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,599
>> And sometimes principles are forced to

1122
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,119
make those hard decisions whether he

1123
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,839
combines he or she combines grades which

1124
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:54,559
is the worst

1125
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,400
math this year next year is going to

1126
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,359
have a first second grade split. So you

1127
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:01,440
will have a class that has half first

1128
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440
graders and half graders [clears throat]

1129
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,400
and that teacher has to try to manage

1130
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,640
that and that is a function of it's a

1131
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:21,750
small school and they don't have as much

1132
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,040
population.

1133
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,640
>> These are all things that we want to

1134
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,079
discuss in public.

1135
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,000
>> Part of the criteria,

1136
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,040
>> it's going to be part of the criteria

1137
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,800
that we're looking at as we're crafting

1138
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,800
this whole

1139
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,079
framework on how we're going to be

1140
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:35,599
looking through the lens through which

1141
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:35,920
we're

1142
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,079
>> kind of what what student populations

1143
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,000
and I I love that you said too, you

1144
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,319
won't necessarily be like what's the

1145
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:44,480
population these schools will have in

1146
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,720
2027 or 2028. Yeah.

1147
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,480
>> But what's a starting point that we can

1148
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,000
at least make sense financially, but I'm

1149
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,440
assuming we're going to grow because

1150
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,440
we're going to win back some of the

1151
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,200
families that have left

1152
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,150
>> public ed and then right

1153
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,920
and um so I didn't mention it in our

1154
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,800
accomplishments, but I'm very proud of

1155
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,480
us for having done this. So I want to

1156
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,079
mention it maybe we can end with it.

1157
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:18,720
But um we visited as a board holy um we noticed our field trips and we

1158
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,359
visited every physical facility in our

1159
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:24,240
area plus a couple in Aspen Peaks area.

1160
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,520
Um we made the decision early on that we

1161
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,280
can't make decisions about properties

1162
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,440
we've never seen.

1163
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,520
Informed our understanding in so many

1164
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,119
ways to actually have boots on the

1165
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,760
ground at all. Now currently we're in

1166
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,000
the middle of doing our vision tour.

1167
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,400
call it. Um Joe is presenting our vision

1168
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,720
for the district at each school to a

1169
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,000
group of administrators, the teachers or

1170
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,720
staff, uh students, which has been so

1171
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,319
fun. And um parents,

1172
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:55,839
they're involved there in the school as

1173
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,359
we've been trying to craft our vision.

1174
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:59,839
So that's something that we're almost

1175
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:02,079
done with. I think we're we did finished

1176
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,359
19

1177
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:08,079
>> 18 today 18 of 29. So

1178
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,880
>> I don't know.

1179
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,200
We're not we're not visiting the special

1180
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,040
school right now.

1181
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,599
>> David,

1182
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,079
>> can I just mention Carolyn? I I would

1183
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,480
really be interested in the future in in

1184
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,319
your city and your goals, your

1185
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:23,359
priorities

1186
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,200
>> and how we might be able to support each

1187
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:25,520
other.

1188
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,800
>> Oh, that would be wonderful.

1189
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,640
>> In that way, just a little more about

1190
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,800
>> Let's get together again soon. It sounds

1191
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,359
like there's, you know, we're excited

1192
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:40,160
that this will be the admin home and uh

1193
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,400
obviously as you're getting information,

1194
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,559
let's let's keep meeting frequently at

1195
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,400
least in

1196
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,599
>> three times a year. Does that sound

1197
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:48,480
good?

1198
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,920
>> Fantastic.

1199
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,150
>> Who is your communication?

1200
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,790
» Okay.

1201
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,480
» And Cole's our leazison from a city

1202
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,040
council standpoint with

1203
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:08,000
>> I'm sure you have contactary

1204
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Adam, you know you have Karen's info,

1205
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,710
right? That's how we organize this.

1206
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,470
» Pretty much dissolved.

1207
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,282
» Awesome.

1208
00:54:21,282 --> 00:54:22,880
[laughter]

1209
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,280
>> I'm creating new position.

1210
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,839
>> If I could

1211
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:27,599
>> add it to your council responsibility

1212
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:28,800
school, you add it to the list.

1213
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,359
>> Mayor, if I could for the um for the

1214
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:34,960
board, uh Lynon Elementary is is right

1215
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,800
next to our campus, right? We have this

1216
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,040
Lyndon campus here and so we're we're

1217
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,040
very interested in the future of Lynen

1218
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,880
Elementary. A lot of our uh residents go

1219
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,400
there.

1220
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,400
Want to just invite you to open that

1221
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,800
conversation um with us early and often.

1222
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,160
You know what your thoughts are there

1223
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,680
and love that you're on the tour. Love

1224
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,680
that you're looking at it and just keep

1225
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,119
us informed and we'll keep you informed

1226
00:54:59,119 --> 00:54:59,680
as well.

1227
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,400
>> I've I've been to Lynon Elementaryund

1228
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,480
times in my career when I worked for

1229
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,680
Alpine and this board tour. I never knew

1230
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,040
until we did this,

1231
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,880
>> the amphitheater.

1232
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,480
That's awesome.

1233
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,480
>> That's from the old school,

1234
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,440
>> the old London Elementary.

1235
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:18,240
>> Okay.

1236
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,000
>> And then we drove by it. I don't know

1237
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,440
who I was with a couple days ago. We

1238
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,839
drove by it. Maybe we ran by it and saw

1239
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:25,520
it from the back end. Like it's like,

1240
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,760
"Oh, it's right there." Was that you and

1241
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,280
I or Yeah.

1242
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,640
>> It's a huge field.

1243
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,599
>> Yeah. An asset maybe.

1244
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:34,480
But

1245
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,559
>> you guys want to buy it?

1246
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,400
>> Well, that's where I I feel like we need

1247
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,400
to really coordinate closely.

1248
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,160
>> Yes. And because that school is part of

1249
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,480
our campus, we've actually held off on

1250
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,119
either rebuilding or upgrading our

1251
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:48,960
community center, which has seismic

1252
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,839
issues. Um we're kind of saving a

1253
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:53,839
contingency fund, just kind of waiting

1254
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:56,240
to determine what's happening with that

1255
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,359
property across the street. Originally

1256
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:01,280
when there was word maybe ASD would

1257
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,680
rebuild again. We were waiting to see

1258
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,440
how to coordinate best

1259
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,240
>> or if it's a disposed. I think the city

1260
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,319
would be interested in

1261
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:12,319
that looks like for the city to acquire

1262
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,720
it. But obviously I think a lot of

1263
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,960
families are hoping.

1264
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,720
We'll see as you do that public input

1265
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,720
and you do your Moab, right? Um where

1266
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,480
that goes. Keep We'd love to keep in

1267
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,640
close contact for sure. So you guys will

1268
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,520
figure out what we need to do

1269
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920
>> on my speed. I got on my speed. Well,

1270
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,000
and I I I really in relation to the

1271
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,280
boundary study because that's what's

1272
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,839
going to be generating a lot of interest

1273
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:38,640
and understandably and necessarily. So,

1274
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,160
it's really important that we

1275
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,760
communicate and I hope that you will

1276
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,319
communicate as well that we everything

1277
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,880
is on the table and no decisions have

1278
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,440
been made.

1279
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:47,839
>> Yeah.

1280
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,480
>> So, we we aren't approaching this with

1281
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,480
oh I I I we really know we're going to

1282
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,000
do this this this and this but we have

1283
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,079
to go through this like nope.

1284
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,000
>> Everything is being considered

1285
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,920
>> and we have not

1286
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,520
So we we want to hear what people are

1287
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,200
thinking, how they're feeling, and we

1288
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,119
would appreciate that if if you could

1289
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,960
communicate that as well in the

1290
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,359
opportunities that that is genuine on

1291
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:12,400
all of our parts.

1292
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,960
>> And and it's exactly that that why it's

1293
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,960
so important we have that criteria up

1294
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,400
front because we're going to make better

1295
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,240
decisions if we have a criteria to

1296
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880
follow rather than we're just saying

1297
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,799
schools that are this size

1298
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:28,319
>> because there may be a school that

1299
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:31,599
context, it's perfect at 500, but it's

1300
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:35,440
better for this school to be 754.

1301
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,680
>> If your city's going to grow, you

1302
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,000
mentioned students coming back, but do

1303
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,079
you have growth areas that you know we

1304
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,319
need to know about?

1305
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:45,839
>> People make decisions about where

1306
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:46,880
they're going to build, where they're

1307
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,440
going to live on schools.

1308
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,240
>> So, purchase some property on the west

1309
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,359
side of London for a future.

1310
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:57,119
So, as you're touring,

1311
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:58,400
>> we've already been there.

1312
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,799
>> We've been there.

1313
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:02,720
>> That was that was early days. In fact, I

1314
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
don't think we hadn't even hired Joe and

1315
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,160
Jason when we went that

1316
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,760
>> So, they need to do that.

1317
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,670
>> Are you going to add it to the district?

1318
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,440
» There's some parents who have said to me

1319
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,799
if Lyn has to for whatever reason be

1320
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:22,720
disposed of, they would love to see that

1321
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,599
West school stood up. So there's a clean

1322
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,079
transition to progress over there.

1323
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,280
>> Say that again.

1324
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,520
>> If in the past I'm just saying some

1325
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,760
opinion was and I I don't want to speak

1326
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,559
out of term but when elementary has been

1327
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,319
on the closure list for a number of

1328
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:39,920
years. So there's a lot of families that

1329
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,559
are very the alll program is doing

1330
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:44,960
amazing there. But that's caused some

1331
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,760
families to not enroll in Lynon

1332
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,599
Elementary because they think it's been

1333
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,280
on this closure discussion for six

1334
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,720
years. Um but who are very invested in

1335
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,680
Lynon Elementary were very happy to hear

1336
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,280
that maybe there would be a school in

1337
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,079
Anderson Farms that could transition to

1338
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:06,960
all you know whatever happens there

1339
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,359
kind of made um a commitment that we're

1340
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:11,119
going to our decisions the major

1341
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,760
decisions will be made by December I

1342
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,960
think that's something that we talked

1343
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:23,280
about that unknown for teachers and

1344
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,960
for for teachers and for students and

1345
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,359
families. It's that

1346
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,359
>> and we're we're trying to come in and do

1347
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:31,119
this the right way and do but do it

1348
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:32,960
quickly and be able to let people know

1349
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,440
so that as they're making decisions

1350
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,440
>> they have

1351
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,960
they know the road. Yeah. They have

1352
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,750
their options laid out.

1353
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,440
» Comments from my board.

1354
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,751
>> Oh my gosh, we finished a minute early.

1355
00:59:50,751 --> 00:59:52,319
[laughter]

1356
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:54,240
Is your council meeting at 6:30?

1357
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,160
>> We start at 5:15 normally, but we're

1358
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,440
going to go into our regular council

1359
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,559
session now.

1360
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:35,349
>> Thank you so very

1361
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:41,910
I'm ready for

1362
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:50,150
» start.

1363
01:00:50,160 --> 01:01:01,910
Sorry, sorry, sorry.

1364
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:24,309
Awesome.

1365
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:31,829
I'm gonna cry.

1366
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:35,040
» Let's just do it right now. Let's do it.

1367
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,880
>> So nice just collaborating and

1368
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:51,510
connecting.

1369
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,960
Welcome back.

1370
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:06,309
>> How was Macedonia?

1371
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:08,480
» It'll be

1372
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:20,950
sitting there with three of us.

1373
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:31,270
happen

1374
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:31,920
down there.

1375
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:58,630
>> Thank you.

1376
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:59,920
want to go first or you want

1377
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,829
>> No, I want

1378
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:14,710
first.

1379
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:28,870
Can I stand up?

1380
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:34,870
» I said

1381
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:45,670
It's

1382
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,480
» all AI, man.

1383
01:03:48,480 --> 01:04:09,190
>> Crazy.

1384
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:15,109
You have any questions?

1385
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:45,670
» Somebody walked off.

1386
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:58,870
All right. Thanks, buddy.

1387
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:22,150
What was mentioned there?

1388
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:35,270
No jerky today.

1389
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:49,510
» I don't know.

1390
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:58,470
Sorry.

1391
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,190
» Yeah.

1392
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:12,390
We'll

1393
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:26,470
transfer transfer.

1394
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,480
» And then everybody's going, "Well, I

1395
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,319
can't I can't open word perfect. I can

1396
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:31,839
only use Word." So, I had to convert to

1397
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:35,039
Word. I hate it.

1398
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:42,470
>> And now we're just

1399
01:06:42,480 --> 01:07:00,870
so good.

1400
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,349
reason

1401
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:07,520
what's another

1402
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,240
which Phil was really good at but it

1403
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:11,599
took him a while to get

1404
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:16,150
>> yeah I agree

1405
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,950
this is lots of money

1406
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,960
and easier

1407
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,640
I'm willing to do it right and I want to

1408
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,160
do it right

1409
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,599
>> and and it's hard because I'm getting

1410
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,160
one side of the story you I mean,

1411
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,920
>> but I know that he kind of has a

1412
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,510
reputation

1413
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,760
» you heard me make my comments when he

1414
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,839
was here.

1415
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:41,839
>> And I didn't know about your text, you

1416
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:43,359
know, but that was going to come, but

1417
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:45,839
that was kind of we're still moving.

1418
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:50,309
>> It was interesting because you said that

1419
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:53,670
just a bunch

1420
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:07,670
because of that comment. I had that same

1421
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:18,309
I'll say hi to

1422
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:30,070
you guys.

1423
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:36,149
temple tomorrow morning.

1424
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:39,679
» She's going to be here.

1425
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:43,199
>> All right, welcome everybody. Uh we just

1426
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,279
con concluded a work session with our

1427
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,440
new Typanoga school district board and

1428
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:50,719
staff and um a lot of exciting things

1429
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:53,600
coming on. Um it looks like Lynen City

1430
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,080
will be the home of the new uh school

1431
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,359
district headquarters ad admin location.

1432
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,000
And so that work session was a public

1433
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,239
meeting and um if you're interested in

1434
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,880
some of the topics that were discussed

1435
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,359
uh but we will now commence we had a

1436
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,839
short recess as they were exiting and we

1437
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:13,679
will now commence with our regular the

1438
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:15,839
rest of our city council meeting here

1439
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:19,297
for May 4th. May the fourth be with you

1440
01:09:19,297 --> 01:09:20,880
[laughter] here in the Lynen City

1441
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,520
Council chambers. And I've we have some

1442
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,159
fun visuals here that I'm going to ask

1443
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,123
our admin to put up after the prayer.

1444
01:09:29,123 --> 01:09:31,279
[laughter] So anyway,

1445
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,839
>> should be more.

1446
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:36,239
>> We might need help. [laughter]

1447
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,000
Um anyway, we're going to go ahead and

1448
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,600
begin. My name is uh Mayor Carolyn

1449
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,520
Lindberg and I'll be conducting this

1450
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,600
evening. I'm grateful for a full quorum

1451
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,080
here of our council here in the Lynen

1452
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,719
city chambers. And uh we will first

1453
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:51,040
begin with an invocation by council

1454
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,719
member Van Brick and that will be

1455
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:54,640
followed by a pledge of allegiance led

1456
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,630
by Steve Kaposi.

1457
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,719
» Our heavenly father, we're grateful for

1458
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,960
the many blessings that was given us.

1459
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,120
We're grateful for this great country

1460
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,840
that we live in and for our community

1461
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,000
here in Lynon. grateful for each of the

1462
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,840
residents that live here and for their

1463
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,239
contributions to making this such a

1464
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,040
great place to live. We are grateful for

1465
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,760
our our staff uh our first responders

1466
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,920
and those who work so hard to serve the

1467
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,159
citizens of Lyndon and our community.

1468
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,080
Please bless and be with them and keep

1469
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,679
them safe and in their responsibilities.

1470
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,760
We'd invite thy spirit to be with us now

1471
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,400
as we discuss the items on the agenda

1472
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
that we can make good informed decisions

1473
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,000
and be uh have mutual respect and

1474
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,320
dignified dialogue one with another. And

1475
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,080
we say this in the name of Jesus Christ.

1476
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:46,560
Amen.

1477
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:55,510
>> Amen.

1478
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,320
To the flag of the United States of

1479
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,280
America and to the republic for which it

1480
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,400
stands. One nation under God,

1481
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,960
indivisible, with liberty and justice

1482
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:15,750
for all.

1483
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,509
» Okay, guys. Where's your lightsabers?

1484
01:11:18,509 --> 01:11:20,320
[laughter]

1485
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:20,960
I love it.

1486
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,520
>> Wow. I love it.

1487
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,800
>> Actually, are we doing this?

1488
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,120
>> This was my father-in-law's. He He

1489
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,199
served a mission in Japan back in the

1490
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:32,880
1940s. This is actually a genuine I

1491
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:33,840
>> kimono

1492
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,760
>> for the men for a man.

1493
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,480
>> So anyway,

1494
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:37,600
>> but it fits your costume.

1495
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,040
>> Look, look, look, look, look. [laughter]

1496
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,080
>> That's uh

1497
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,360
>> I don't have a a don't have that

1498
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,000
costume.

1499
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,380
>> Am I the only one from the dark side?

1500
01:11:45,380 --> 01:11:47,440
[laughter] a little

1501
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,360
>> I'm worried about me on the dark side. I

1502
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,560
had to put the lightsaber [laughter] in

1503
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:51,280
there cuz I

1504
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,560
>> change it to blue just for you.

1505
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,000
>> But you got to show some of the other

1506
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,080
pictures in the staff report.

1507
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,239
>> So, Adam did this. It's so clever.

1508
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:01,920
>> There unless you really want to show

1509
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,199
them off. It's

1510
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,040
>> show the header. Show the header though.

1511
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,480
You skipped that.

1512
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:07,280
>> The very first.

1513
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,400
>> We have a new logo here.

1514
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,679
>> That's our new city logo.

1515
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:12,239
>> There we go.

1516
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:13,760
>> Far far away. [laughter]

1517
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,360
>> Okay.

1518
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,640
bit here.

1519
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,520
>> Okay. All right. So, uh we will now

1520
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,120
start with our agenda. These can be

1521
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,040
found at the entrance there if you'd

1522
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,040
like to follow along. I'd like to

1523
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,800
welcome those that are online as well as

1524
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,800
those that are present here today. And

1525
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,719
we'll start with our roll call. So, I'll

1526
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:32,080
start here on my right. [clears throat]

1527
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,199
>> Steve Stewart present.

1528
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:34,640
>> JY present.

1529
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,679
>> Le present.

1530
01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:37,199
>> Cole Hulie present.

1531
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:38,640
>> Lincoln Jacobs present.

1532
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,159
>> Van Brick present.

1533
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:42,800
>> Okay. Wonderful. And then if if there

1534
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,600
are any presentations and announcements

1535
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,360
from council. I don't know if we have

1536
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,360
any from staff this evening.

1537
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,280
>> Nothing tonight.

1538
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,280
>> Wonderful. This takes us to item number

1539
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,440
three on the agenda, which is our open

1540
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,000
session for public comment on anything

1541
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,280
that is not on tonight's agenda. So, I

1542
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,880
know we have some guests in the room and

1543
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,640
I feel like Mayor Kussi, former Mayor

1544
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,640
Kussi here and former council member

1545
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,440
friends. Who wants to go first? David

1546
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,320
Spencer. Okay, ladies first. [laughter]

1547
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:21,189
>> And Mayor Kafusser.

1548
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,600
» Mayor Kussy nodding her head as I I feel

1549
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,840
like I'm a little bit, you know, I have

1550
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,640
to be watch my P's and Q's. You are

1551
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,165
perfect, madame mayor

1552
01:13:30,165 --> 01:13:32,000
[laughter and clears throat]

1553
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,400
and honorable council members. My name

1554
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,800
is Michelle Kafussi and I did have the

1555
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,159
honor and privilege of working with a

1556
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,480
lot of you. I mean, from the league and

1557
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,400
all the other opportunities we've had to

1558
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,560
collaborate together and we just love

1559
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,960
London. I love your chief of police. I

1560
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,040
mean, just so many great relationships

1561
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,239
with you. And as uh Mayor Lumbberg

1562
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,719
stated, I am here because there is an

1563
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:57,040
election coming up on June 23rd, the

1564
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,520
primary for the county commission.

1565
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,360
There's two seats. We only have three

1566
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,760
county commissioners and seat A and seat

1567
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,480
B are up right now. And I am running for

1568
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:10,400
seat A. And I know I Mayor Lumbberg

1569
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:11,920
needs to just walk me up center street

1570
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,051
in Provo and drop me off because

1571
01:14:14,051 --> 01:14:15,920
[laughter] why do I keep doing this? And

1572
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,080
I I was just sharing with your chief, my

1573
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,440
boys were helping me load the truck to

1574
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,360
go to an event and one of them stopped

1575
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,560
and said, "Mom, do you just love public

1576
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,640
ridicule? What is [laughter] wrong with

1577
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,800
you?" I said, "I don't know." I tried to

1578
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,760
sit still and calm the world inside me.

1579
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,560
>> All of us have the same trauma bond.

1580
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,239
What is wrong? [laughter]

1581
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:39,679
>> But I really do. I love people problems

1582
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:41,760
and I love people and I love helping

1583
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,440
them solve their problems. and I feel

1584
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,000
like I've got the energy and the desire

1585
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,040
to keep giving back. So, I am just here

1586
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,040
to introduce myself and ask you to look

1587
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,040
for my name on the ballot. It will come

1588
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,040
out on June 4th in your mailbox. So,

1589
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,440
here we go again. [laughter]

1590
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:57,840
>> Awesome.

1591
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:58,400
>> Thank you.

1592
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,239
so much. Glad you're here for

1593
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,000
>> all your work on the Provo airport. We

1594
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,920
flew out of there two weeks ago. My

1595
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,080
whole family, it is phen. We flew all

1596
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,080
the way to Europe. From Provo to Europe.

1597
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,239
It's incredible. Great work.

1598
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,560
>> Look at me. I'm getting goosebumps.

1599
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,239
This is what is what is wrong with me

1600
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,277
guys. Respects over infrastructure

1601
01:15:16,277 --> 01:15:18,790
[laughter]

1602
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:19,920
nerd out over that [clears throat] kind

1603
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,360
of stuff.

1604
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,760
>> All right. Thank you. And Mayor Kussi in

1605
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,480
her time as mayor. She served on over 16

1606
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:27,920
different boards throughout the state.

1607
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,960
She wasn't just mayoring Provo. She was

1608
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,239
advocating in really an incredible

1609
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:37,520
servant statewide, nationwide. I would

1610
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,679
say even globally potentially some of

1611
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:42,560
the things that she touched. So huge

1612
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,120
talent there. All right, welcome.

1613
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,920
>> So I I'm David Spencer, uh, mayor and

1614
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,000
council. Um, I was on the city or city

1615
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,640
council for 12 years and I didn't get

1616
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,040
elected in December, so lost by 200

1617
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,800
votes. So I decided to throw my hat in

1618
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,239
the ring for Utah County Commissioner

1619
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:01,440
seat B. And uh the concern I have with

1620
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,760
the county is

1621
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,280
in the [snorts] 12 years I was on the

1622
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,120
council, I didn't have one commissioner

1623
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,239
come to ORM and ask what our needs were.

1624
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,320
And I think that's a that's a a misstep

1625
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,880
on their part where they represent the

1626
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,960
citizens plus they represent the cities

1627
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,080
in Utah County. So I feel that my plan

1628
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,159
is I want to go to every city, look at

1629
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:23,440
your master plan, your transportation

1630
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,520
plan, see what your needs are, and then

1631
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,440
be able to because I believe that uh

1632
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,000
Utah County were fragmented.

1633
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,120
everybody's doing their own thing. So,

1634
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,280
if we can get on the same page, then we

1635
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,800
can go to the legislature and really

1636
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,199
fight for dollars for Utah County. And I

1637
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:40,320
believe that the legislature, the uh the

1638
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,679
leadership is pretty much in in Davis

1639
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:45,600
County, so they get a lot of the money,

1640
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,520
right? So,

1641
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,040
Utah County is the fastest growing

1642
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,560
county, right? So, we need to make sure

1643
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,040
that we get the dollars for our cities

1644
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,280
in Utah County. Um, I have a lot of good

1645
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,440
ideas. There's a transparency port I

1646
01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,113
want to bring to the county because

1647
01:16:59,113 --> 01:16:59,440
>> [clears throat]

1648
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:00,800
>> county commissioners now you don't even

1649
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,800
know if they go to their meetings how do

1650
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,280
they vote you know are they traveling

1651
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,679
foolishly when if you're a Utah county

1652
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:09,280
commissioner

1653
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,120
you should stay in Utah county or go to

1654
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,040
let's say legisl you need to go to back

1655
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,960
to Washington because that's why you

1656
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,159
have congressmen and senators so I'm

1657
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,400
here to represent the cities you know I

1658
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,080
love warm I love Lynon I remember I

1659
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,000
spoke at your Lynon city council way

1660
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,880
back in the day with the utopia but I'm

1661
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,800
here to serve the people and uh make

1662
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,320
sure that we come together as cities.

1663
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,239
But hopefully you'll see my name on the

1664
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:34,640
ballot June 23rd and I'm David Spencer.

1665
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,320
Hope I can get your vote. Thank you.

1666
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:36,800
>> Welcome.

1667
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:37,920
>> Thank you so much.

1668
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,920
>> David, what if each of you who's

1669
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,360
currently filling each seat you're

1670
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,880
running for if you don't mind?

1671
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,320
>> So a million powers I think is seat A

1672
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,159
>> and then Brandon Gordon is se they're

1673
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:48,560
not running

1674
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,520
>> and neither are running.

1675
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,800
>> The incumbents are retiring.

1676
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,640
>> No incumbents. So we have three people

1677
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,280
running for CB. I won the convention at

1678
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,000
52% but didn't get 60. So we have a

1679
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,159
writing candidate which they'll be on

1680
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,320
the ballot. So there

1681
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,719
>> so yeah it's fun.

1682
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:09,120
I was on for 12 years so campaigning was

1683
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,880
a little different animal in the city

1684
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,320
compared to the county.

1685
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,080
>> And maybe you could talk a little bit. I

1686
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,239
know you're been a huge partner

1687
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:18,400
proponent with the first responders and

1688
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,000
ORM and we have this interlocal

1689
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,880
agreement with ORM Lindon Vineyard and

1690
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,440
you are kind of the the main liaison guy

1691
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:26,960
for OMC on all that.

1692
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,880
>> I support the first responders 100%

1693
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,880
because they keep us safe and we have to

1694
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,320
make sure that our citizens are safe

1695
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,400
because that's your police, fire, water,

1696
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,760
roads and sewer. That's the city's

1697
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,239
responsibility for the citizens and that

1698
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:42,080
that's the top of the list. So I think

1699
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,159
as ORM we have a great police department

1700
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:46,960
and a fire department and you use Orm's

1701
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,800
fire department and they're the best and

1702
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,360
um we're glad that we can keep you know

1703
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,719
Lyndon citizens safe but I am a I'm pro

1704
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,719
first responders because they put their

1705
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:57,920
life on the line every day and they

1706
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,120
might not come home to their families

1707
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,120
because they they gave their life. So

1708
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,880
very important that we have to make sure

1709
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,960
we we keep them safe and we give them

1710
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,000
money they need to help us be safe. So

1711
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:10,480
thank you.

1712
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,080
>> All right. Thank you for coming, both of

1713
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,040
you.

1714
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,600
>> Um, we know it's a lot of work away from

1715
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,679
your families right now to try to step

1716
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:21,679
up and serve. So, thank you so much for

1717
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:24,159
coming and and being willing to come to

1718
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:26,080
the small town of London.

1719
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,600
>> I'm glad we didn't have a clock because

1720
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,199
normally there's a clock. [laughter]

1721
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:31,120
>> Oh, no pressure. We're We're not high

1722
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,120
pressure like that.

1723
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,520
>> There's just a door underneath. You're

1724
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,239
good. [laughter]

1725
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:38,320
You were right on time.

1726
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:39,199
>> See you. Thank you.

1727
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,920
>> Thanks. All right. I think if you could

1728
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,440
call if there's any other public

1729
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,480
comment. There might be

1730
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,320
>> I'm going to invite that right now. If

1731
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,000
there's any other public comment, please

1732
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,480
come forward and state your name and

1733
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,320
make sure you sign in there on the

1734
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:58,870
table. Thank you.

1735
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,320
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, my name is Brian

1736
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,400
Lozo and I live in Oram, Utah. And I'm

1737
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,400
actually I'm glad to be speaking today

1738
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,120
because I lived in Provo at the time.

1739
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,679
Michelle Kussi was mayor and my parents

1740
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:17,440
who live um by one of the temples could

1741
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:20,400
kept talking about her and Dave Spencer

1742
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,880
actually assisted in my current

1743
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,360
apartment in Oram, the driveway being

1744
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,760
fixed. Um so I really appreciate and I

1745
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,199
do think he is someone who um stands by

1746
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,360
his word and the citizens of Utah

1747
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,520
County. And I would I I can't say enough

1748
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,679
how good of a job you're all doing in

1749
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:43,120
Lynen and and I love the model that

1750
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,560
you've held in Utah County for getting

1751
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,280
results for citizens and that's what I

1752
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,520
want to talk about today. I spoke

1753
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,400
earlier the previous month because I

1754
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,719
felt like the voice of the youth needs

1755
01:20:56,719 --> 01:20:59,440
to be heard and instead of division we

1756
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:01,840
need to be collaborating together. And

1757
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,239
with the recent events of the Trump

1758
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:07,199
assassination and the gas prices being

1759
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:10,480
increased, espec including here due to

1760
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,280
the Iran war, I feel like my voice does

1761
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,400
need to be heard again. And I wanted to

1762
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,880
make three points today. Um the first

1763
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,040
one was a culture of safety. And I feel

1764
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,520
like at this time it's important for us

1765
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,199
to come together and to bond on our

1766
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:33,199
shared goals and to and to really look

1767
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:36,320
out for each other's security and safety

1768
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,440
and and maintain a culture of safety,

1769
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,600
meaning we all get together and care

1770
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,000
about each other and each other's shared

1771
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,800
issues. And

1772
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,440
the second point is what I feel the

1773
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:51,440
city's already doing the energy and

1774
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,880
resource issue. We condemn international

1775
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,440
violence but not because we want to get

1776
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,840
into fights with the entire world but

1777
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,080
because we want to focus on local issues

1778
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,880
and not allow distant conflicts to bring

1779
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,960
us down the drain. every dollar of the

1780
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,719
and of every gallon of gas counts during

1781
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:18,159
these troubling times. And the last

1782
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:22,320
point I wanted to make is about refusing

1783
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,880
to allow the outside world to consume

1784
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,080
our sovereignty. Um, Lyndon is a great

1785
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:32,239
place and I I love driving here, going

1786
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:36,320
to shop here and

1787
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:41,280
it these outside conflicts can really

1788
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,679
allow us to stop thinking about local

1789
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:47,360
issues and our own local freedoms. And I

1790
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,199
feel like we've all seen those things

1791
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:53,040
before. and the future of a city will

1792
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,400
not be a side effect of global markets

1793
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,920
if we dictate our own destiny. Um, I

1794
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,840
feel like this is a moment where we need

1795
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,600
to remember um our local communities and

1796
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,560
to for the city to continue getting the

1797
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,719
results they've been getting and talking

1798
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,320
to my local officials to maybe get give

1799
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,480
them those ideas

1800
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:22,560
um and to not let um outside results take

1801
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,560
away the progress that we've been

1802
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,639
making. Thank you.

1803
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,360
>> All right. Thank you so much. Any other

1804
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,080
public comment tonight?

1805
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,080
All right, seeing none, we will move on

1806
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:38,159
to our council reports and

1807
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:40,080
which end wants to arm wrestle to start

1808
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,080
us off here.

1809
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,120
>> I will start.

1810
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:43,920
>> Thank you.

1811
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,920
>> Uh the the league meetings in St.

1812
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,440
George, we're great and wonderful,

1813
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,120
always helpful, things that we learn and

1814
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:53,360
help us to become uh

1815
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,600
better at our jobs and the trust that's

1816
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,440
been afforded to us by being members of

1817
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,760
the city council and mayor. Love those

1818
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,280
relationships that we are able to

1819
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,920
continue and develop and always find

1820
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,560
ideas for good practices and so fun to

1821
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,840
have everybody go that went. Uh, also

1822
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,000
hopefully this week at the cemetery

1823
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,040
there'll be some sod going in and some

1824
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,440
trees going in. If the weather holds

1825
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,320
good and the schedule goes right, we'll

1826
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,560
maybe see that this week. So, I'm

1827
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,159
keeping an eye on that and we'll see how

1828
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:25,280
it goes. But, I think it was supposed to

1829
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,448
start Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

1830
01:24:28,448 --> 01:24:29,280
[clears throat] That's it.

1831
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,679
>> Great. All right, Lincoln.

1832
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:34,320
>> We always have so much going on with our

1833
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,120
parks and wrecks. Uh, our watering will

1834
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,000
begin in our parks. Um, but keep in mind

1835
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,400
we are at a questionable water year. So

1836
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,000
there might be some yellowing. Please

1837
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,480
let your residents know that we're

1838
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,080
trying to conserve water and so some of

1839
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,080
the grass might not be getting quite as

1840
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,960
much as as uh it has in the past. Um,

1841
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,800
some people criticize our our um our own

1842
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,280
parks watering that it doesn't fit the

1843
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,600
schedules that they've indicated to the

1844
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,080
residents. Some of our parks have so

1845
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,520
much watering to do that sometimes it

1846
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,520
goes a little bit longer, but but that's

1847
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:10,960
the reason why there's only so much that

1848
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,040
we can physically do at a time.

1849
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,040
>> Have we put smart clocks on all of our

1850
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,159
parks yet?

1851
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,320
>> About 80%.

1852
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,960
About 85% now this year. The other

1853
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,440
percent I don't think we can. They're just little spots in little

1854
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:28,320
obscure places.

1855
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,080
>> Okay. I hope I represented that first

1856
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,984
paragraph well.

1857
01:25:31,984 --> 01:25:32,000
>> [clears throat]

1858
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,440
>> Sports programs are going strong with

1859
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:35,199
baseball getting ready to start our

1860
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,840
T-ball, coach pitch, machine pitch, and

1861
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,800
kid pitch league. Say that really fast.

1862
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,239
We'll be at the City Center Park this

1863
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:45,360
year instead of Fezenbrook Park. Uh the

1864
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,520
next special event for the city is June

1865
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,000
3rd, our summer kickoff. So, more more

1866
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,120
details coming soon on that.

1867
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,080
>> Um CTC, Historic Commission, Treeboard

1868
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,000
are all doing great. The Arbor Day

1869
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,719
celebration was awesome. really good

1870
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:04,080
time. And um for the arts committee,

1871
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,840
just to give you all an update, we

1872
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,239
several weeks ago, a handful of us met

1873
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:10,880
to discuss next steps. And the next step

1874
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,760
was to pull in a few residents just to

1875
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,239
get some ideas of what the arts

1876
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:19,600
committee could do or look like. And so

1877
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,870
it's still early formation discussions.

1878
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,520
» Thank you. All right, Jake.

1879
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,760
>> Uh a couple quick updates.

1880
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:34,639
um from the PD. Uh our God, let me get

1881
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:38,080
right back to that. Our uh

1882
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:42,320
our our K9 officer went through uh

1883
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,639
completed patrol dog school with Officer

1884
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:47,199
Harmon and they uh graduated top of

1885
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:48,719
their class. So, we're always proud of

1886
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:52,400
Officer Harmon and our uh K9 officer. Um

1887
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:53,840
and then and then just an announcement

1888
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,600
for this group of our um May 11th awards

1889
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,639
banquet for our PD. Please RSVP if you

1890
01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:02,960
haven't already.

1891
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,159
>> What was that, Chief?

1892
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:06,000
>> Let me check. It might be the 13th. Hang

1893
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:06,560
on.

1894
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,199
>> Sorry. Wednesday.

1895
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:11,520
>> 13th.

1896
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,600
>> Le astray. No worries.

1897
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,520
>> Are you wanting an RSVP then?

1898
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:18,480
>> Yeah.

1899
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:19,199
>> Okay.

1900
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:20,960
>> We're coming.

1901
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,480
Um, awesome. And and then two weeks ago,

1902
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,960
I I brought up uh sponsorships for Lynen

1903
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,679
Days. Uh Heath and I this week secured

1904
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:31,360
one, we think, for the fireworks. We're

1905
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,000
excited about that. Um certainly within

1906
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,000
the council's realm to be out there

1907
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,920
asking businesses to help the city. So

1908
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,719
that's all I have.

1909
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:42,639
>> Okay. I think I reported last time about

1910
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:45,440
our youth council that we had 22 members

1911
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,520
now, up from 18 this year, and we

1912
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,600
started at 13 a few years ago. So, it's

1913
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,000
definitely a growing and and I'll call

1914
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,760
it robust since that's the word of the

1915
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:54,800
day today [laughter]

1916
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,880
program. And we have a solid group of

1917
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:57,840
young people that are going to be

1918
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,920
helping us. On the 18th, our next

1919
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,239
council meeting will be introducing the

1920
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:05,199
new council to this council. They're

1921
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:07,440
looking forward to that. Um, and then

1922
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,239
they will uh be going out and planting

1923
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:11,920
flowers in the city cemetery in

1924
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,760
preparation for the Memorial Day program

1925
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,400
which will be on May 25th at 9:00 a.m.

1926
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:17,920
at the city cemetery. and we're looking

1927
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,239
forward to participating in that with

1928
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:22,239
our youth council and with everyone

1929
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:24,080
else. We love that program and everybody

1930
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,920
involved. And I'd just like to make a

1931
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,000
note that really enjoyed our our Utah

1932
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,679
League of Cities and Towns midyear

1933
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,600
conference in St. George with most of

1934
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,760
you. I think almost all of us are there

1935
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,920
and really enjoyed that time of learning

1936
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,960
and and camaraderie.

1937
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,040
>> Thank you so much. You all do so great

1938
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,880
with your liaison assignments and

1939
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,400
reports.

1940
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,159
Uh we had um NextGen Motors did their

1941
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:50,400
ribbon cutting. Thank you for those who

1942
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,400
were able to come. I know it was it was

1943
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:58,400
on a a busy night. Um but they're doing fantastic um and doing

1944
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,120
great sales already. Um something

1945
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,840
communitywide of note is the uh Lynen

1946
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,560
City Temple dedication this Sunday that

1947
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,400
incorporated um residents in part of PG

1948
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,239
Pleasant Grove as well as ORM. So, that

1949
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:14,719
was a pretty significant event. Um,

1950
01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:17,440
thank you again to Chief and all the

1951
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:21,120
staff that um that was a a lot of um

1952
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,679
service and coordination and um a lot of

1953
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:28,480
hard work to just pull off having nearly

1954
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:33,440
300,000 visitors come for that. Um

1955
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,320
we also had uh

1956
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,800
interestingly Pleasant Grove City had a

1957
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:43,360
special uh presentation of um a

1958
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,520
photography collection that was really

1959
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,840
quite fascinating. I should have made a

1960
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,159
note of the there was a gentleman a

1961
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:52,320
hundred years ago who just bought this

1962
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,639
amazing camera and he just had an

1963
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:57,040
artistic eye and he took a lot of

1964
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,880
historical photos and I went because I

1965
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,800
wanted to see what did he catch about

1966
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,000
Lyndon and there was potentially and our

1967
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,400
um historian Brett Swberg was there so I

1968
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,960
was like okay we're good Brett's on it.

1969
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,960
So, um, anyways, pretty interesting

1970
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,639
collection. The family had donated to

1971
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:16,320
BYU and then a a a lady just out of her

1972
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,120
own passion went and just has digit is

1973
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,679
going to digitize the whole thing and

1974
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,679
published a book about it. And so, it's

1975
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:25,520
really fascinating to see our

1976
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:30,080
community's um images that don't exist,

1977
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,400
many buildings anymore, and just what

1978
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:36,239
life was like back in the day. So, um,

1979
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,000
looking forward and our museum just

1980
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,880
continues to have incredible, um,

1981
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,440
displays and donations that our historic

1982
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:46,159
committee is working on. So, lots of

1983
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:49,760
thanks to them. There's also,

1984
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,360
um, a Lynden Yard of the summer um,

1985
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,360
nomination process that's going to be

1986
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:59,520
happening. Um, so we'd love to encourage

1987
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,000
just people wanting to beautify their

1988
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,800
properties and their homes and get some

1989
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,199
recognition going for that. So there's a

1990
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:09,360
wonderful newsletter that comes out

1991
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,080
every month. Um, it doesn't mail to each

1992
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,560
home. Um, can people still pick up a

1993
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,080
hard copy here at the city center if

1994
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,560
they want a hard copy or you can opt in

1995
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,080
to get it by email. So that just has all

1996
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,639
we just have constant amazing activities

1997
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:26,719
and initiatives that are going on that

1998
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:30,320
and education um for the community. So

1999
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,800
encourage them to do that.

2000
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,400
All right, we will now turn the time

2001
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,360
over to our administrators report.

2002
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,280
>> Thanks for being good sports on uh Star

2003
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,080
Wars Day, May 4th [laughter] here. So um

2004
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,800
we need Eagle Mountain posted a picture

2005
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,960
very similar to this with their council,

2006
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,613
but you guys do it much better.

2007
01:31:48,613 --> 01:31:49,520
[laughter]

2008
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,199
who are at best.

2009
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,199
>> You're better at AI.

2010
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:56,159
>> Yeah, all AI. So, uh we're continuing on

2011
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,400
here and making sure we all get equally

2012
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,560
embarrassed. So, [laughter]

2013
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,280
um just an FYI, we've got our live

2014
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:04,960
streaming fixed on these meetings. So,

2015
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,719
this meeting's back on YouTube. We

2016
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:08,320
missed about a month and a half there,

2017
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,159
but uh that got fixed today. So, it

2018
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,000
looks like it's working again for us.

2019
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,280
So, um, on the sewer treatment fee

2020
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,120
update, we met with ORUM and their their

2021
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,280
staff and, you know, we had that

2022
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,400
discussion partner versus customer. Uh,

2023
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,280
I very much felt that they were partners

2024
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,520
in this meeting. It was refreshing and I

2025
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,080
think they've they've made an effort uh

2026
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,679
to try to make sure that we feel that

2027
01:32:35,679 --> 01:32:39,040
way. uh even so much that things such as

2028
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:42,320
hey if we have to we have a large amount

2029
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,719
of money that we'll be needing to pay

2030
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:47,679
back uh where they're using cash that

2031
01:32:47,679 --> 01:32:50,560
they've saved um and they're willing to

2032
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,560
just match or it's the public

2033
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,199
treasurer's investment fund PTI where

2034
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,679
we're able to put money into a state

2035
01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:00,960
fund that earns an interest rate it's

2036
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,280
actually what the state dictates we all

2037
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,960
of our general fund our savings and

2038
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,840
everything is in this PTI fund and they

2039
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,000
even went so far as to say we'll just

2040
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,960
charge that. So, they aren't trying to

2041
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,520
mark up an interest rate to be repaid

2042
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,560
which was again very refreshing. So, um

2043
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,280
some positive moves there. We'll keep uh

2044
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,840
you informed as Noah is looking at some

2045
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,440
options to try to lessen the burden on

2046
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:30,719
residential uh fee increases and see how

2047
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:33,280
we can make sure that all different uses

2048
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,920
and different zoning uh in the city are

2049
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,199
equally uh treated as far as the sewer

2050
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:41,520
processing and treatment that we have to

2051
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,120
perform. So um May newsletter, we've got

2052
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,280
you down there, Steve. And then June is

2053
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,120
Heath. So, thanks. And then, uh, just

2054
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,280
some dates there for Memorial Day and a

2055
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:54,960
meeting coming up in June. And then we

2056
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,199
mentioned this, uh, Wednesday, May 13th,

2057
01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:59,600
meeting with Chief Brower and his

2058
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,239
department. So,

2059
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:06,709
any questions on any of that?

2060
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:08,159
If not, that's all I have. Mayor,

2061
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:08,719
thanks.

2062
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:11,199
>> Thank you. Right. Item number six is the

2063
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:12,880
approval of the minutes from our council

2064
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,639
meeting dated April 20th, 2026.

2065
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:19,440
So, if you've had a moment,

2066
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:20,960
>> I've reviewed them. And if the council

2067
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,320
doesn't have any changes, I'd like to

2068
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,480
make a motion that we approve the city

2069
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,040
council minutes from April 20th, 2026.

2070
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:27,920
>> Second.

2071
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,760
>> Have a motion by council member Hoy,

2072
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,760
seconded by council member Jacobs. All

2073
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:32,880
in favor?

2074
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:33,440
>> I.

2075
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,440
>> Okay. Minutes are approved. Thank you.

2076
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,280
Uh just really quick before you move on,

2077
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,159
just an FYI, um just wanted to make you

2078
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:44,239
aware that we do use um some AI software

2079
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:46,400
to help produce the minutes. Britney has

2080
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,520
fully embraced that and has greatly

2081
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,120
increased efficiency. Um but just an FYI

2082
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,280
that uh that helps produce a large

2083
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,920
amount of what we do now. So trying to

2084
01:34:57,920 --> 01:34:59,760
embrace that new technology to be more

2085
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,199
efficient.

2086
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,760
>> Close sessions as well.

2087
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,040
>> Okay.

2088
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,280
Smart.

2089
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,520
>> All right. Very good.

2090
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:10,560
>> Thank you.

2091
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,199
>> There are no consent agenda items this

2092
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:14,880
time. So, we'll move on to item number

2093
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,800
eight. And this is a review and action

2094
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,080
of a general plan amendment. And uh this

2095
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,280
was continued from March 2nd. And we'll

2096
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,880
go ahead and have our

2097
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,639
economic development director here,

2098
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:31,280
Michael Florence, present

2099
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,440
and get us up to speed.

2100
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:34,239
I'm gonna step out.

2101
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:34,480
>> Okay.

2102
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:36,400
>> Recuse myself.

2103
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,560
>> All right. Council member Hoy is

2104
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,000
recusing himself.

2105
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,719
>> Uh just as a reminder from the last

2106
01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:47,840
meeting in March, the proposal from MS

2107
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,400
Properties was to amend the street

2108
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,880
master's plan map to remove both of

2109
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,159
these streets. Uh 1,200 West in the in

2110
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:59,520
this section and 200 north um

2111
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,239
highlighted in green there. Uh at the

2112
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,239
last meeting uh one of the

2113
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:07,440
representatives for Schaefer Industries

2114
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,040
was not able to make it. He asked that

2115
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,520
the meeting be continued and so the the

2116
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,520
commit the council continued that

2117
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,679
meeting and to give the property owners

2118
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:17,679
the three prop main property owners MS

2119
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:20,800
Properties um Pacific Bridge and Steel

2120
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:27,840
and Schaefer Industries time to talk and re uh review the proposal. Um, in

2121
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,320
your packet, one of the items we

2122
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,440
discussed last time as well was could

2123
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:35,760
the property be have a culde-sac coming

2124
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,520
from State Street or sorry, Center

2125
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,159
Street North. Uh, these are the two UD

2126
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:43,360
do detention basins. They um receive

2127
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,480
water uh that Lynden helps maintain in

2128
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,800
those storm water basins. But, you know,

2129
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,760
this this is what the culde-sac could

2130
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:56,000
potentially look like as an option. um

2131
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,840
uh is an as an alternative as well. So,

2132
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:01,440
um,

2133
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,719
as of late today, the the property

2134
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:06,480
owners,

2135
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,239
um,

2136
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:10,880
had also reached out to me about with

2137
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:15,360
the potential of maybe just, um, having

2138
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,840
the discussion about,

2139
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,119
uh, removing this section from the map,

2140
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:23,760
uh, transportation map highlighted in

2141
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,560
green, and and leaving the rest of the

2142
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:30,560
map uh, the way it is um I know there's

2143
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,320
the property owners can discuss this.

2144
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,600
there's some, you know, preferences and

2145
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,280
things um for 200 north here. The, you

2146
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,360
know, Martin Snow would would prefer not

2147
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,440
to have this bisect his two properties

2148
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:46,159
here. Um and so that this may need an

2149
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:49,600
alternative route, but um so there's

2150
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,119
been some different discussions whether

2151
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,280
to do a culde-sac, whether to remove

2152
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,560
both roads segments, whether just to

2153
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,760
remove a portion of 1200 West. And so

2154
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:01,920
the council's got a number of items to

2155
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,320
consider with this. Um we've prepared it

2156
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,040
as the application has was originally

2157
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,760
submitted with both roads being removed.

2158
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,679
Um but I think there's a number of

2159
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:20,550
alternatives you you should evaluate.

2160
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,119
» Right. Council, do you have any

2161
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:27,440
questions for Mr. Florence?

2162
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:32,000
>> So in that last image that you had up.

2163
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,560
So, there is there will be a way to

2164
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,480
connect to Center Street and it's

2165
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:39,040
through that Anderson Lane

2166
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:40,320
>> down where it kind of

2167
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:41,760
>> I apologize I cut that off.

2168
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,600
>> It's okay. But I wondered I couldn't see

2169
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,679
but there would be another way not just

2170
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:47,199
1200 West.

2171
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:48,320
>> Yes. Anderson Lane

2172
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,400
>> Geneva and Anderson Lane.

2173
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,800
>> Yeah, that's good. Let's see. Let's go

2174
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,320
to this one.

2175
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,400
>> So, yeah. Anderson Lane will be

2176
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,400
constructed. I think Schaefer Industries

2177
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,400
will be constructing that this summer.

2178
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:07,350
>> Okay, great.

2179
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,639
» All right. Any further questions?

2180
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:11,520
>> All right.

2181
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,920
>> Can we just go to the view you were

2182
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,080
showing before? [clears throat]

2183
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:16,800
>> This one here,

2184
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,480
>> the small section right there at the

2185
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:22,560
end. Is that a culde-sac?

2186
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:23,840
>> Um,

2187
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,400
>> we're we're talking about just remot.

2188
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:27,040
>> Yeah. Yeah,

2189
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,880
>> I don't think it needs necessarily a

2190
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,800
culde-sac there cuz it's it's not a

2191
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,560
road. It's still private property.

2192
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,159
>> This is just general plan. So, we could

2193
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:36,560
remove that section and the rest of the

2194
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,880
general plan would just stay the same.

2195
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:39,760
>> Is that right?

2196
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:40,880
>> That that would. Now,

2197
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:41,920
>> that's one of the options.

2198
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:43,520
>> Now,

2199
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,760
um again, a lot of this depends on

2200
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,000
property owner property owners working

2201
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,440
together whether or not the roads will

2202
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:50,480
go in at all.

2203
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:56,239
>> Sure. Um, you know, for example, this road 200 north is it's on the

2204
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,560
property boundary between MS Properties

2205
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,480
and Schaefer Industries. Um, the

2206
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,920
remaining of this uh north south road on

2207
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:10,880
1200 West that's split between uh UD do

2208
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,800
um Schaefer Industries and Pacific

2209
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,679
Bridge and Steel. Um and so all of those

2210
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:19,040
them would have to work together for

2211
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,199
those roads to go through. We're not

2212
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,760
adjusting any zoning uh with this

2213
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,080
application. The heavy industrial zoning

2214
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,639
or whatever zoning is currently in place

2215
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:31,360
is not affected by these applications.

2216
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,920
This is only whether to amend the street

2217
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,990
master plan map.

2218
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,920
» All right. Okay. I think that covers it.

2219
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:44,080
So we have applicants in the room. Um, I

2220
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,520
don't know if we need to cover the

2221
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:49,199
letter that you have from from some of

2222
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:53,360
the parties or that that came in

2223
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,199
recently or

2224
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:58,320
>> there was a letter for the last one.

2225
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:03,270
>> Is that for in March? Is that

2226
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:07,109
» today?

2227
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:08,800
Oh,

2228
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,199
>> yeah. I think this one in green explains

2229
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:13,360
that. All right. There were some other

2230
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:14,539
Okay. And then you mentioned

2231
01:41:14,539 --> 01:41:15,119
[clears throat]

2232
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,040
Okay. That leg around there.

2233
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:17,440
>> Yeah.

2234
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:20,800
>> Um so

2235
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,760
in the

2236
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:25,679
>> Yes. Let's um the applicant we'll have

2237
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,520
him come forward Mr. Snow. So he's the

2238
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,159
one that originally applied for the

2239
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:33,280
removal of all these roads. And

2240
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,520
obviously we want to understand the

2241
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,440
perspectives of all the property owners

2242
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:41,199
that are impacted by this application.

2243
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,119
Um, all right.

2244
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:45,440
>> All right. Well, I think there's a few

2245
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:48,480
new people here today than there was a

2246
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:52,000
couple weeks ago. So, basically, if we

2247
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,840
go to,400

2248
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:54,960
[clears throat]

2249
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,280
where it goes past Ivory, if you guys

2250
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:01,199
can follow me on that map or Yeah. where

2251
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:04,560
Mike's got his pointer going. We have

2252
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,679
between MS Properties and the city, we

2253
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:10,239
have a little property dispute there.

2254
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:12,639
And when we were working to res Oh, that

2255
01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:14,880
was very

2256
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,765
I can figure out how to use that.

2257
01:42:16,765 --> 01:42:18,480
[laughter]

2258
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:23,990
>> Just don't put it point it in your eyes.

2259
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,000
» Oh, I got to hold it down. Yeah. All

2260
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,520
right. So this section of road right

2261
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,880
through here is where we've been working

2262
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,600
for year and a half, two years, maybe

2263
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:39,600
more with the city people over a little

2264
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,400
property dispute here. And it came up in

2265
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,360
the meeting that if we would

2266
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:49,360
to settle this, we were gonna

2267
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:51,840
take this proposed road, remove it off

2268
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,719
the master plan, take the bond money

2269
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:56,960
that we have here, and then we're going

2270
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,080
to go develop it and finish this road

2271
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,719
through here and give the property to

2272
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:04,800
the city for the rightway and the needs

2273
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,880
to get that road in place. And then I

2274
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,400
think this summer sheer shadow mountain

2275
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,800
is supposed to be developing this road

2276
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,000
through here. And I think they only go

2277
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,600
up to here. So that and we'll go to this

2278
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,400
intersection right there. There'll be a

2279
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,400
little piece here that we call the group

2280
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,400
home property that still needs to be

2281
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,040
figured out to get past it, but

2282
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,560
basically that's going to open up that

2283
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:40,000
1400 or Anderson Lane. I think we we

2284
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,360
call it 1400. The old map was 14. But

2285
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,679
then it's going to allow access to come

2286
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:48,480
from Center Street up through here. And

2287
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,639
now you can work your way out this way

2288
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:53,920
or you can go out that way. So I think

2289
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,239
in the discussions with the city they

2290
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:58,239
said well

2291
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,320
we don't really need this road through

2292
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:03,360
here and it's a definite safety hazard

2293
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:06,639
going between our buildings and then in

2294
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:10,080
the the other point came up was a safety

2295
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,840
fac or hazard going through here because

2296
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:18,239
of all the Utah Pacific's big steel

2297
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:20,800
ridge beams and girders and overhead

2298
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,159
cranes and so you guys went through that

2299
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,320
last time. So, I think when we left off

2300
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,960
at the last meeting, we were discussing

2301
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,040
a culde-sac

2302
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,560
up in here to come here. Uh, Shadow

2303
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,600
Mountain has concerns because they have

2304
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,639
27 acres over here that they haven't

2305
01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:43,600
really decided what they're going to do

2306
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,600
in there yet. uh the city. I think what

2307
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,960
Adam and and and Mike Florence are

2308
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,800
saying is uh we can put these roads back

2309
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,239
in. We can move these roads.

2310
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:00,159
One of my thoughts I brought up last

2311
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:03,040
time was maybe this road should be

2312
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,679
straight. It comes off of here. you

2313
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,159
know, maybe it could. There's a lot of

2314
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:11,199
options, but I think the property owners

2315
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,199
need to decide where they want the road

2316
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:15,600
through there because they're serving

2317
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,880
their development, whereas we're already

2318
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,639
developed and we know the road doesn't

2319
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:23,679
work in Utah Pacific, it's pretty much

2320
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:27,440
developed in here. And that's just is

2321
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:31,679
kind of where we let off or at the at

2322
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:34,080
the last meeting. So, I think the

2323
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,880
decision was let everybody voice their

2324
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,000
opinions and and we'll see what happens.

2325
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,520
This road here doesn't doesn't really

2326
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,440
it's kind of an issue here because it

2327
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:48,080
goes through my property there and then

2328
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:51,840
it splits right through Utah Pacific and

2329
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,960
gives them it basically gives them two

2330
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,360
little parcels right here and this one

2331
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:02,239
bisects Utah Pacific again. So that's

2332
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:04,719
and I don't see the use changing in the

2333
01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:09,520
future for either us or Utah Pacific and

2334
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,960
uh because we're both established and

2335
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,239
been there 40 plus years. So I don't I

2336
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:18,000
don't think anything's going to change

2337
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:25,199
for that and I guess that's uh that's the reason for the proposal and

2338
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:28,400
that's how it's sitting.

2339
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:32,800
So, I'm a little bit unclear. Um, Mr.

2340
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:37,280
Snow, are you wanting as you applied

2341
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:38,880
to is that what you want the council to

2342
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,560
still consider or have you changed your

2343
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:45,119
mind? I think I think the city I haven't

2344
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,760
I proposed what was suggested by the

2345
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:51,280
city uh because it was the most

2346
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,880
practical idea was to take it all out

2347
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,360
because I think the city said well we're

2348
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,119
never going to be able to put that road

2349
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:03,040
through here and it doesn't look like

2350
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,520
it's going to be a benefit down here for

2351
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,719
the existing use. So that was my

2352
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:12,480
application and then there were you know

2353
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:15,199
the city's opinion at that time was we

2354
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,440
can put these roads in wherever we need

2355
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:21,679
to when this development comes up. So I

2356
01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:23,280
mean

2357
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,560
for my personal benefit it really

2358
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,480
doesn't matter. I mean, I'd need to get

2359
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:31,920
the road out on the top. And that was my

2360
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,639
agreement with the city was you get rid

2361
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:37,360
of this, I'll settle with you over

2362
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,280
there, you know. So,

2363
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:43,119
>> and then I believe that's probably your

2364
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:46,320
legal or Mr. pause, but I think he made

2365
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,239
the comment in the last meeting that

2366
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:50,880
it's up to the council or that the

2367
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,760
council has the authority to approve all

2368
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,920
of it, part of it or right

2369
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,800
>> or some alternates. So,

2370
01:47:58,800 --> 01:47:59,199
>> okay,

2371
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:00,880
>> I'm just going to leave it at that and

2372
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,360
I'll let the rest of them give you their

2373
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,760
opinion of what they need and

2374
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:06,239
>> all right,

2375
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:08,320
>> we'll hope we get a good decision from

2376
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:09,199
everybody.

2377
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:12,320
>> Right. So, as Mr. Florence mentioned

2378
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,040
this has completely unrelated to zoning

2379
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,520
and and uses that are allowed here. This

2380
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,239
is just and maybe you could speak to

2381
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:22,320
everyone in the room a little bit about

2382
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:24,560
when we have a street master plan. It's

2383
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,440
kind of calling out future places to

2384
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:29,199
have that connectivity and the proper

2385
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:33,280
flow um and and not strand any property

2386
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,800
owners for example if they need it. Um

2387
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,600
but at the same time

2388
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,560
these lines that are future roads are

2389
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,280
somewhat flexible because as you

2390
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,760
mentioned the individual property owners

2391
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:51,760
certainly a 27 acre piece may need a

2392
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,440
particular configuration when the time

2393
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,119
comes that they have actual development

2394
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:58,639
or whatever may happen if what you do

2395
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:02,560
with your business um expands or has

2396
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,520
additional buildings or uses. So maybe

2397
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,080
you could speak to just

2398
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,040
the roads themselves and permanence or

2399
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,880
not permanence and what they're calling

2400
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,000
out.

2401
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,440
>> Yeah. I mean if this green road if it it

2402
01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:20,080
needed to shift slightly like it came to

2403
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,679
here and needed to come down. I mean the

2404
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:26,000
purpose is that the road goes through

2405
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,080
according to the master plan. If it had

2406
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,080
to make some minor tweaks that that's

2407
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:34,480
okay um in the in the future. Um but But

2408
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:38,080
you're you're correct that it's it's a plan for the future for

2409
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:41,520
circulation and and uh you know trying

2410
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,159
to help help all the property owners and

2411
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:46,400
not segment anything that won't be

2412
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:49,040
unbuildable.

2413
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:50,719
>> And and I think it's important to mayor

2414
01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:53,600
to to realize that these maps were

2415
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,600
originally adopted if I'm remembering

2416
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,679
right this was originally adopted either

2417
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:00,239
69 or 89.

2418
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:03,199
>> Um and we we last time we had our

2419
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:05,040
They're not here tonight, but our

2420
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:06,320
engineers have gone through and looked

2421
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:09,520
at traffic and with traffic and

2422
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,199
development that has changed, these

2423
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,679
roads don't necessarily need to be

2424
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:15,280
exactly in this spot. There's a lot of

2425
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,760
room for us to be able to work. So, our

2426
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,280
engineers have looked at this and and

2427
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:20,880
they're they feel comfortable with these

2428
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:22,880
changes as well. So, that's important.

2429
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,880
>> Are you saying in removing both of

2430
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:26,960
those, the blue and the green, they're

2431
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:27,440
comfortable?

2432
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:28,800
>> The engineers were okay with that

2433
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,800
because again, when those developments

2434
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,280
come in, they are going to have to roads

2435
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:36,560
and they they can configure that, but

2436
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,280
because of the heavy industry that's

2437
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,199
going through that main road going north

2438
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,679
and south, we're not going to have a lot

2439
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:45,679
of traffic flowing through there. And so

2440
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:46,800
there will have to be some

2441
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,800
configurations for the green line. And

2442
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,719
as a development comes in, we'll have an

2443
01:50:50,719 --> 01:50:53,119
opportunity to to get a alignment that

2444
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:53,679
works best.

2445
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:55,199
>> Okay. So you're saying if we eliminated

2446
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,280
now the blue and the green later on,

2447
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:58,719
somebody come and say, "Hey, we want to

2448
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:00,639
develop this in this way. We'd like a

2449
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:02,239
road cut in here." And then we're

2450
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,840
addressing that as the issue.

2451
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,520
>> That's why our engineers felt fine

2452
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:06,800
taking them all off.

2453
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,719
>> Although my question would be is if a

2454
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:11,600
road is eliminated and let's say one

2455
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,480
property says I want that road but their

2456
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:16,239
neighbor says I don't want the road. And

2457
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,719
if the road is not on the map master

2458
01:51:18,719 --> 01:51:20,239
plan does that create

2459
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:22,960
>> what that how that works right now is is

2460
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:24,960
both property owners still have a right

2461
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,960
to say I don't want that road there

2462
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,760
right now. But what can happen is one

2463
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,040
property owner can say, "Well, that's

2464
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,719
fine. I'll put the whole cost of the

2465
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:35,679
road in now." But I'll ask for what's

2466
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:37,599
called a reimbursement agreement that if

2467
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:39,280
the other property develops within a

2468
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:40,719
certain amount of time, typically those

2469
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:42,800
are 10-year period. If you develop

2470
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,159
within 10 years, um, and you get the

2471
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:47,440
benefit of that road for that

2472
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:49,760
developing, you have to reimburse that

2473
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,040
first property owner for that. And so so

2474
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:56,880
that would go that that ability to to do

2475
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,520
a road and and to get the council to do

2476
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,920
a reimbursement agreement that works

2477
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,920
when two properties above each other.

2478
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,760
And so if we move this road off, we

2479
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,199
probably wouldn't be able to do a

2480
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:09,840
reimbursement agreement or you know in

2481
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,400
that circumstance. So that is one thing

2482
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:13,440
that probably changes

2483
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:15,280
>> mayor.

2484
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:19,119
Well, we do have a representative from

2485
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,760
Bridge Pacific Bridge and Bridge and

2486
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:25,520
Schaefer Industries as well. Um there's

2487
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,760
it's a little bit complex on the the

2488
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,159
possibilities here and I I think it's

2489
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:33,280
important to understand the perspective

2490
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:34,960
of the other property owners that are

2491
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,000
potentially impacted here. Um, I'd like

2492
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:43,430
to invite you to come forward

2493
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:44,080
and maybe

2494
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:46,000
>> so some of you weren't here last two

2495
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,159
months ago. I'm Clark Olsen, uh, with

2496
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:50,960
Utah Pacific Bridge, one of the founders

2497
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:54,080
and president. [clears throat]

2498
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,400
Uh, the way we left it last or two

2499
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:58,880
months ago was because of safety issues.

2500
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:02,560
I'm I'm very similar to Martin Snow. You

2501
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:05,840
know, we've got 200 foot girders, 150

2502
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:10,480
tons sitting there uh with five 150 ton

2503
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:13,119
mobile cranes passing back and forth

2504
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:16,239
with that property line. Uh so it's a

2505
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:17,840
safety issue. I you know I just don't

2506
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:22,239
want a road there. However, uh we

2507
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:24,159
>> and road there, let's be specific. That

2508
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:26,960
would be in the blue. Well, really

2509
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,320
neither one. Number one, the north south

2510
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:34,159
because it uh it it uh adjoins our

2511
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:37,760
property and the east west the green

2512
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:42,080
road uh you know would collect

2513
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:46,800
from that subdivision area cars to go

2514
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:53,520
from there to the east and then south on uh 200 north so that you know that's

2515
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,239
our concern is just generating traffic

2516
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:59,599
there now two months ago

2517
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:02,480
uh Schaefer indust industries couldn't

2518
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:05,199
be here, but they did propose a letter,

2519
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:08,239
a culde-sac that was that was presented

2520
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:09,840
at least

2521
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:15,360
um and Clark Taylor with Schaefer uh

2522
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:17,520
called me shortly after, wanted to meet.

2523
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,280
I' I've been gone for about a month, but

2524
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,960
anyway, we did meet last Wednesday and

2525
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,599
uh Mr. Taylor presented that same

2526
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:27,920
shortened culde-sac running north south

2527
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:32,480
from Center Street of which uh I could

2528
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,800
do. I mean I I don't want a road at all,

2529
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,199
but I I told him that we would agree to

2530
01:54:37,199 --> 01:54:39,760
that. It's shortened. It doesn't get

2531
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:46,239
north uh uh so far as to uh to bisect,

2532
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:49,040
you know, my two pieces to the north.

2533
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,599
And also more importantly, it doesn't

2534
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:55,920
have an east west road, 1,200 west or a

2535
01:54:55,920 --> 01:55:00,080
200 north road to collect traffic. So I

2536
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:03,280
thought we I thought we were good. Um

2537
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,520
but he but Clark called me at noon today

2538
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:07,040
and said they don't want to do that.

2539
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,440
They want all all the roads for I don't

2540
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,280
know why because he's the one that rep

2541
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,119
proposed it in the first place. But so

2542
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:15,840
that's where I am. So to be to to

2543
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,320
summarize I I would do the the

2544
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,040
originally proposed as of two months ago

2545
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:25,280
culde-sac Jordan culac but

2546
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:26,000
>> okay

2547
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:27,520
>> doesn't want to at least he didn't

2548
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:29,119
>> we'll give him an opportunity to

2549
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:30,080
>> okay great

2550
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:31,119
>> share thank you

2551
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,320
>> okay so that's where we're at

2552
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:33,840
>> okay anything else Mr. Olsson

2553
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,320
>> uh no thank you okay thank you very much

2554
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:47,350
all right Mr. Taylor.

2555
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,199
» Is this an exhibit that we need to share

2556
01:55:49,199 --> 01:56:13,109
with the council?

2557
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:15,520
All right. Thank you. Please state your

2558
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,920
full name for the record.

2559
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:21,199
>> My name is Clark Taylor

2560
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:23,040
and I'm executive vice president,

2561
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,679
general counsel for Schaefer and its

2562
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:27,360
affiliate

2563
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:30,080
Shadow Mountains.

2564
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:34,080
and appreciate uh you continuing this to

2565
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:35,599
today.

2566
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:39,199
I had a family medical emergency and I

2567
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,679
appreciate the opportunity to appear and

2568
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:44,239
get to present our position

2569
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:48,159
and I should uh state greetings to the

2570
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:49,760
mayor,

2571
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,480
uh the council members,

2572
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:56,320
uh madame reporter and the city planner

2573
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:59,599
and attorney and

2574
01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:01,520
administrator. You've I've worked with

2575
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,000
the city for many years. I remember

2576
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,719
going back through the old building,

2577
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:08,800
the the little building we've had. We

2578
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:09,520
work

2579
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,360
>> we've worked together. We've really

2580
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,159
tried to be good corporate citizens.

2581
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:16,480
Schaefer Industries

2582
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,639
um manufactures

2583
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:21,760
structural pipe and tube.

2584
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:25,119
Uh so structural pipe and tube basically

2585
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:26,480
there are two things that hold up

2586
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,080
America.

2587
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:31,199
One is concrete and two with steel. And

2588
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:32,800
we're a leading manufacturer in the

2589
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,320
western United States with our

2590
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,440
geographic area being from

2591
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,679
we do have some clients back east, our

2592
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:42,080
customers, but generally from Colorado

2593
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:44,159
to Hawaii and generally border to

2594
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,239
border, but in the western United

2595
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:49,840
States, we're a leading manufacturer.

2596
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,840
For example, if you pull this drywall

2597
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:55,599
down, you'd see our our steel here. It

2598
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:57,360
holds up billboards. that holds up

2599
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,239
gates, fences, bullards. If you just

2600
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:03,760
walk outside, you could name 30 uses of

2601
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,000
our steel just from your front porch

2602
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,440
here. Uh we've been and we have 27 acres

2603
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:12,000
there with four large facilities. I

2604
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,159
think some of you are familiar. If not dropped by anytime, I'll give you a

2605
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:22,080
tour. Uh we in addition and we came in 1988.

2606
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,000
Um,

2607
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:26,080
and we built we started our campus the

2608
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,800
27 acres that just is off the screen

2609
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:33,030
there.

2610
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,639
» Uh,

2611
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:37,599
and then then the northern 27 acres is

2612
01:58:37,599 --> 01:58:42,480
depicted on the the uh map and I've

2613
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,760
highlighted that in blue in the first

2614
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:46,560
handout

2615
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:49,119
>> and that currently is undeveloped land.

2616
01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:51,280
>> That's undeveloped land. I will note

2617
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:54,480
that uh a couple of years ago the city

2618
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:56,239
and we've really tried to be good

2619
01:58:56,239 --> 01:58:58,639
corporate citizens and I want to commend

2620
01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:01,280
the city staff. We've we've worked well

2621
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,560
together for decades.

2622
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:05,840
>> Um

2623
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:10,550
>> thank you.

2624
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,480
So, we've worked we've worked uh

2625
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,400
tremendously together and the city

2626
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,719
wanted to place see the fill on the

2627
01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:21,760
south part of the 27 acres. Uh we had

2628
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:23,679
that in green belt and the city came to

2629
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:27,599
us and and said we need to dispose of

2630
01:59:27,599 --> 01:59:30,239
our dirt and like like we always get

2631
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:32,560
along. So, we said no problem. None of

2632
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,719
us anticipated that the county wasn't

2633
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:36,320
going to cooperate.

2634
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:40,800
>> And so now this we got a almost $350,000

2635
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,440
bill from the county because they've

2636
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:45,119
changed the zoning. And that will be a

2637
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:46,960
huge bill that will go on into the

2638
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:48,800
future.

2639
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,679
But the the property other than the

2640
01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:54,080
accommodating the city is undeveloped.

2641
01:59:54,080 --> 02:00:00,000
Uh except for on the west corridor. Uh

2642
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:00,719
Mr.

2643
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:02,080
highlighters right there if you need.

2644
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:03,440
>> Oh, I you know, I don't know if I'm

2645
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,480
steady enough to to do that, but maybe

2646
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,358
I'll be

2647
02:00:08,358 --> 02:00:10,159
[clears throat] the when Ivory Homes

2648
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:11,920
went in,

2649
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:16,320
the city needed to connect here

2650
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,760
um so that they could have the water uh

2651
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,000
sewer, both pressure and normal flow.

2652
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:26,080
So, four lines in through there. And the

2653
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:29,040
ultimate resolution was we let the lines

2654
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:30,719
go in and the city engineered the road

2655
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:32,960
and we anticipate we've already had our

2656
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:34,639
pre-construction meeting building that

2657
02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:38,000
this summer. And of course this is a a

2658
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:41,679
road that is a a residential

2659
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:44,000
uh road on the the master plan. You

2660
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,679
you've seen the master plan. Um

2661
02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:51,920
so it's it's undeveloped. However, we

2662
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,800
have relied on the master plan for

2663
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:56,480
years.

2664
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,760
Um, so if you go to the the handout,

2665
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:03,040
skip the second page and and go to the

2666
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:06,639
third page. Um, I've tracked it back,

2667
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:08,639
council said it goes back further, but

2668
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:10,960
I've tracked tracked back as far as I

2669
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:16,000
can. This is 1995 a master plan to 2000.

2670
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:19,119
And you can see that the 1200 west is on

2671
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:22,159
there. And then you can see the next one

2672
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:25,360
is 2000 to 2005.

2673
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:28,800
There we have the east west 1200 on

2674
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,360
there as well.

2675
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:35,920
Uh and the next uh is 2006.

2676
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:39,760
You'll see both roads are are on there.

2677
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:41,360
And

2678
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,560
then we see the same in 2011.

2679
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:48,239
And that brings us to 2013. So, so

2680
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:50,960
Schaefer Industries Shadow Mountain,

2681
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:54,960
we've relied on the master plan for

2682
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,520
decades, literally decades, with respect

2683
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,000
to the development. Now, we recognize

2684
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,960
that the city came in and put Ivory

2685
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:05,119
Homes in, which may impact us with

2686
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:07,119
respect to development plans, but that's

2687
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:11,910
for something down the road.

2688
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:13,599
One thing I want you to note while

2689
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:15,760
you're looking at

2690
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,679
the if you go to the U first page of the

2691
02:02:19,679 --> 02:02:21,280
handout,

2692
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:22,960
we

2693
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:25,119
and I'm going to use Schaefer for short

2694
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:30,149
for the full designation.

2695
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:32,480
We are the land owners that are most

2696
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,599
impacted by this. And I did a real rough

2697
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:38,400
calculation off of Google Earth. We have

2698
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:43,040
some 1,400 ft approximately at issue. Uh

2699
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:46,560
Mr. Snow has roughly 950,

2700
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,520
Mr. Olson about 750.

2701
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:51,760
But again, you have to understand we

2702
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,080
have been relying on these and to adopt

2703
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:58,000
the proposal as made

2704
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:01,040
landlocks our property

2705
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:04,080
from the current zoning and from the

2706
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,880
master plan which is light industrial.

2707
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:08,800
landlockwalks this completely because

2708
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:10,639
people say, "Well, you've got the road

2709
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:12,560
on the that you're putting in and then

2710
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,639
it continues up the east side of Ivory.

2711
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:16,880
That's a residential road that is not

2712
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:19,360
going to handle the traffic.

2713
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,960
It's not going to if we put a

2714
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:22,639
distribution center in there, it's not

2715
02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:24,080
going to handle the traffic. If we go

2716
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,760
with heavy industrial, it won't handle

2717
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:28,560
the traffic. if if virtually you're

2718
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,000
going to landlock the property that

2719
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,960
we've relied on for decades. And so I

2720
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,119
thought, well, there must be some big

2721
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:38,400
public interest at issue

2722
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,119
for for this issue to bubble up to the

2723
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:43,199
surface at this point in time. So I

2724
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:45,199
thought, well, let me refresh my memory

2725
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:48,719
on master plans. So I went to the

2726
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:50,560
statute and I thought, well, let's start

2727
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:54,080
with our state law. And our state law

2728
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:58,080
requires a master plan. And under state

2729
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,880
law that it the master plan has to have

2730
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:02,719
two items.

2731
02:04:02,719 --> 02:04:05,599
It must have it must address the future

2732
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:08,960
and present needs of the municipality

2733
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,560
and I would suggest that means the

2734
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:13,199
public at large not a single property

2735
02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:14,719
owner

2736
02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:17,280
and it has to address the growth and

2737
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:18,880
development

2738
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:22,159
of any or part of the land within the

2739
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:25,599
city within the municipality. So that's

2740
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:30,800
state law and the focus is on future.

2741
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,960
So then I thought well let's let's see

2742
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,280
what the state has said what how do how

2743
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:37,040
do we teach the cities this? So I went

2744
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:39,199
to the general planning guide that the

2745
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:42,560
state puts out and it says on its face

2746
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,560
in the introduction

2747
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,639
this guide will help you understand the

2748
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:49,920
role that the general plan should play

2749
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:52,560
in your community.

2750
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,119
And let me tell you in in that uh first

2751
02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:57,760
few pages it says planning and we're

2752
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:59,920
talking about planning

2753
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:02,719
also allows stakeholders Schaefer for

2754
02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:04,320
decades

2755
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:07,760
to know what to expect from your city.

2756
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:09,840
What are we going to expect? We're going

2757
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:11,199
to expect that we can develop that

2758
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:13,360
property in 1988. We could literally see

2759
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:15,119
from here to to the point of the

2760
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:18,080
mountains before all the growth came in.

2761
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,560
The general plan outlines your city's

2762
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:23,520
vision. We're talking about vision for

2763
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:25,599
the future and describes how that vision

2764
02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:27,599
will be achieved. Residents, developers,

2765
02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:29,199
business, state government, and others

2766
02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:31,760
interested parties should be able to see

2767
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:34,480
how your city will change by reviewing

2768
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,960
the general plan. So, the general plan

2769
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:38,480
is very, very important. And that gets

2770
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,280
to the heart of your question. It really

2771
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,679
matters if we're on the general plan. It

2772
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:47,440
does. And in fact, if the proposal is is

2773
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:51,040
adopted as is, it will have a draconian

2774
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:52,880
effect on our property, including the

2775
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:56,560
value and landlocking is not fun. Well,

2776
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:58,960
I went on to the next step trying to

2777
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:00,960
track this through. What does what does

2778
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:02,960
the state say about drafting? Not only

2779
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:04,560
the policy, but what does it say about

2780
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,199
drafting?

2781
02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:09,760
And it says the same thing. general

2782
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:14,080
plans, also called master plans or com

2783
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:16,560
comprehensive plans, guide. So guide,

2784
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:19,040
we're talking about the future, your

2785
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:21,040
community in its decision making by

2786
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:23,440
describing its current and future needs

2787
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:25,840
and then it goes on. But that's that's

2788
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,080
how this is what we're supposed to

2789
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:30,159
follow in drafting these. So then I

2790
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:33,520
thought, well, what did we draft?

2791
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:38,159
So I looked at our master plan and our

2792
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:40,719
master plan says right at the beginning

2793
02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:43,520
what is a general plan. The general plan

2794
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:46,880
serves as an advisory document

2795
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,880
that helps guide the future growth.

2796
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:50,400
We're talking about the future growth.

2797
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:52,000
We're not talking about landlocking

2798
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,719
people who've relied for decades who are

2799
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:58,400
the most impacted owners and land use

2800
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,880
decisions. It indicates the location and

2801
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:05,589
type of land uses and it goes on

2802
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:08,000
» u skipping down the general plan not

2803
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,119
only helps guide future development. So

2804
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:14,079
future development and it it goes on

2805
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:17,840
after that. So that's what we've we've

2806
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:20,159
addressed and so again I'm thinking

2807
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:22,159
there must be some big public interest

2808
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:25,199
that's come up for this about phase of

2809
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:27,040
this issue that's been resolved for

2810
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:28,639
decades.

2811
02:07:28,639 --> 02:07:30,719
And you know, I started digging into it

2812
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:34,239
and let me tell you what I found. I

2813
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:36,320
found out and I and I'm gonna tip my

2814
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:38,400
hand up front because I want I'm gonna

2815
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:39,760
bore you a little bit, but I'm going to

2816
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,560
tell you what this is all about is to

2817
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,320
resolve private litigation with the

2818
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:46,560
contract. That's not what master

2819
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:48,079
planning is for. It's not to resolve

2820
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:50,079
litigation. That's nowhere in the

2821
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:54,480
statute. It's nowhere in the in the the

2822
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:56,400
guide. It's nowhere in the the

2823
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:58,880
discussion about how we draft these.

2824
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:01,280
It's nowhere in our master plan

2825
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:04,719
resolving private disputes because Ivory

2826
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:09,119
and the city have an issue with Mr.

2827
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,040
Martin and we love Mr. Martin and

2828
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:14,320
respect him. That shouldn't dictate what

2829
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:17,040
we've relied on for years. Litigation

2830
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,760
resolution is not an appropriate

2831
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:24,400
consideration for for planning. So um

2832
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:26,480
Mr. Taylor, thank you. I just in the

2833
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:30,480
interest of time. Um I think we hear you

2834
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:33,840
and uh so I have I have kind of some

2835
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,400
general questions. Um I think in this

2836
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:38,880
instance everything that you stated

2837
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:40,719
there in those documents is true. They

2838
02:08:40,719 --> 02:08:44,560
are advisory. They are vision and it is

2839
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:47,440
we this body has had numerous times

2840
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,560
where you know like we said this vision

2841
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:57,280
this advisory flow has been created many sometimes decades ago. We do

2842
02:08:57,280 --> 02:09:00,400
revisit with the realities of today of

2843
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:02,400
how maybe things have changed and the

2844
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,960
way the direction development has gone.

2845
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:07,760
Um it is appropriate for bodies to

2846
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:10,639
sometimes review the practicality

2847
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:13,360
of those road plans and we do make

2848
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:16,000
adjustments and tweaks and that's um

2849
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:18,560
again we we we want to make a good

2850
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:21,040
decision that is practical and balances

2851
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,400
the interests of everyone that's

2852
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:25,280
impacted and also what's really

2853
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:27,679
happening with the growth because like

2854
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:29,280
you said when you were there and you

2855
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:30,800
could see the point of the mountain who

2856
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,360
we didn't know what was coming but there

2857
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:35,679
so sometimes change. We can tweak things

2858
02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:39,679
and that's appropriate legally. Um so my

2859
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:44,079
question for you is um obviously you do

2860
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:46,560
you imagine with this 27 acres do you

2861
02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:49,040
have a plan of what you plan to do with

2862
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,040
that? Are you going to sell it? Are you

2863
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,440
going to do you have imminent you said

2864
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:56,960
you were kind of relying on these roads

2865
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,960
as you've seen them for this amount of

2866
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,599
time. Do you anticipate you are going to

2867
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:03,360
determine what comes here or are you

2868
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:05,040
going to sell the property and have a

2869
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,040
another entity come and say you know

2870
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,360
what actually we want maybe the

2871
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:11,040
circulation to be different. I mean I'm

2872
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:13,199
sure you would want that flexibility

2873
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:17,119
within your 27 acres as well but when

2874
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:20,320
you say you've relied on it do you have

2875
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:22,480
a plan currently in mind of what's

2876
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:24,320
happening there?

2877
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:26,880
>> I'll answer the question by saying very

2878
02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:29,599
short no. However,

2879
02:10:29,599 --> 02:10:32,079
we had a plan and we bought the property

2880
02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:33,920
for an expansion site.

2881
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:34,719
>> Okay,

2882
02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:36,639
>> that's why we bought it and that's why

2883
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:38,320
we've held on to it. It's in heavy

2884
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:41,840
industrial. However, the city came in

2885
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,239
however many handful of years ago and

2886
02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:47,599
put a residential area right next to us

2887
02:10:47,599 --> 02:10:50,560
and that's caused us to rethink things.

2888
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:52,320
But let me tell you, with respect to the

2889
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:54,800
affected roads, with respect to Mr.

2890
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:57,760
Rollson. Nothing's changed there. And

2891
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,079
the and eliminating the these roads, I

2892
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:04,159
mean, he's been swinging these beams and by the way, if he's swinging these

2893
02:11:04,159 --> 02:11:06,320
beams and and it's dangerous, he

2894
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:07,840
shouldn't be allowed to do it in the

2895
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:12,719
public road. That should be barred. And also, Mr. Martin's use hasn't

2896
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:15,920
changed. There's been no change in our

2897
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:18,079
area other than the city zoning

2898
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:20,960
residential, which is on the other side.

2899
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:22,480
And so, no, we don't have a current

2900
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:24,000
plan. We're going to have a plan, but we

2901
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:26,960
don't want to to be frozen out by a

2902
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:29,119
change in a master plan that we've

2903
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:30,480
relied on for decades.

2904
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:32,400
>> But you might want flexibility to

2905
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:35,199
potentially determine how things are

2906
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:38,480
developed out as well. I would imagine

2907
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:39,920
you're not saying do these roads and

2908
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:41,840
never change them.

2909
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:43,679
>> We are not saying that. And in fact, we

2910
02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:45,920
considered the culde-sac, but we want to

2911
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,079
be good neighbors and I have done that.

2912
02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:49,760
I've done my level best to get this

2913
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:52,400
resolved. Unfortunately, and and I think

2914
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:54,880
the other the opposing sides, we're all

2915
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:57,040
friends, and I think they'll they will

2916
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:58,480
recognize I've been the one running

2917
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:01,040
around trying to get this resolved. And

2918
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:03,440
we hoped a culde-sac would work, but it

2919
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:04,719
doesn't work because of the city

2920
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:06,880
ordinances. We studied it. The city

2921
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:09,440
engineers drafted a couple of proposals,

2922
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,280
but it doesn't get us far enough into

2923
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:13,280
our property so that we can do

2924
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:15,440
something. So, we and we don't want to

2925
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:17,280
be disadvantaged by having these roads

2926
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:19,599
stripped off of our property. the

2927
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:21,760
developers won't want it. They're going

2928
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:23,040
to say, "What's the city going to do?"

2929
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,159
So, we need certainty. [clears throat]

2930
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,440
We need to have the roads there. And the

2931
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:30,159
there is a quotation I have down here

2932
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:31,840
from I think the planning department

2933
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:33,920
where they say the reason we're doing

2934
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:35,440
this is so that the roads can be

2935
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,079
developed in accordance or put in in

2936
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:40,639
accordance with the development. That is

2937
02:12:40,639 --> 02:12:43,440
completely backwards planning. You you

2938
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:45,040
don't do it that way. It flies in the

2939
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:46,880
face of what we've done. And that is

2940
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:50,159
under the purpose section.

2941
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:55,679
of the the planning report. I wish I

2942
02:12:55,679 --> 02:12:58,400
could put my hands right on it

2943
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:00,480
because it just it says right on its

2944
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:04,800
face. Let me see if I can turn to it.

2945
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,639
>> So, you did at one point think the

2946
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:08,880
culde-sac might be an option that

2947
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:11,280
>> we did that and and what specifically?

2948
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:13,520
So, now you're concerned it doesn't

2949
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:17,360
>> it won't work. It won't work. We we have looked at we've looked at a

2950
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:19,599
couple of auctions. I've looked at the

2951
02:13:19,599 --> 02:13:22,639
code the everybody can back me up. It

2952
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:25,360
just won't work. If you look at it, it

2953
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:28,400
just tips into our It won't work. If we

2954
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:30,960
could take that and extend it a couple

2955
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:32,639
of hundred feet. Well, maybe that would

2956
02:13:32,639 --> 02:13:35,599
work. But the problem is is where it

2957
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:38,560
sits so far. We can't do what we need to

2958
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,800
do. I mean, it would be another problem

2959
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:41,760
with access.

2960
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:44,480
>> Okay. So actually maybe culstack is

2961
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:47,440
still on the table if it just had a you

2962
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:51,040
said a few hundred feet further in to

2963
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:52,560
your joining properties.

2964
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,960
>> It is an option. It's not a desirable

2965
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,760
option and not by far what we want but

2966
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,239
trying to be good neighbors. We tried to

2967
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:02,639
brainstorm what we've looked at every

2968
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:05,520
possible angle. Every possible angle.

2969
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:07,920
And I want to read you that quote. The

2970
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:11,360
purpose of the request is to allow

2971
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:14,159
street alignments to be determined at

2972
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:16,719
the time property is developed. That is

2973
02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:18,560
backwards planning. You put the roads

2974
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:20,480
in. It's the future. It's the vision on

2975
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:22,800
the master plan so that people know

2976
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:26,480
what's coming. So we we've really really

2977
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:28,880
tried to resolve this. Now, all of that

2978
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:34,480
said, I I have to tell you,

2979
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:36,480
somebody's going to be unhappy with the

2980
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:38,480
result tonight.

2981
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:41,040
What we are, if you'll go to the second

2982
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:45,350
handout, we are okay

2983
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:48,000
as an alternative

2984
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:52,000
to deleting the road.

2985
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:54,320
You can see it on there

2986
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:58,480
>> that is between Mr. snows buildings from

2987
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:00,400
the master plan. He gets his bond. The

2988
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:02,159
city gets the money to rectify the

2989
02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:04,639
litigation over at Ivy, which is what

2990
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:06,719
this is all about, which is improper

2991
02:15:06,719 --> 02:15:08,239
legally.

2992
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:10,320
We're okay with the as long as we get to

2993
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:13,119
keep what we've had on the master plan

2994
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:16,079
for decades. So, we're not landlocked.

2995
02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:18,239
Again, we can't access it for what the

2996
02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:21,599
current or proposed use is

2997
02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:23,920
>> from the the west, but we've got to

2998
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:26,320
access it from the east. So, if I

2999
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:28,800
understand clearly, it sounds like all

3000
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:32,239
three party business owners are in

3001
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:35,440
agreement that area that you have

3002
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:37,520
crossed out that that's not an issue for

3003
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,360
any of the parties to to for that.

3004
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:41,360
>> It's not an issue for us. We then we

3005
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:42,000
support that.

3006
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,520
>> Okay. Well, we're on the same page with

3007
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:45,920
that one issue. That's that's good news.

3008
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:48,159
I would like to allow my council to

3009
02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:54,000
maybe ask questions um as well on what

3010
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,960
is in front of us here to any of the

3011
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:58,079
parties.

3012
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:02,560
>> So um apologize. Last time I was in the

3013
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:04,960
cloud, but I was here, right? And and I

3014
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:06,159
was the one that was kind of leaning

3015
02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:08,320
towards continuing it to make sure we

3016
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:12,239
could get everybody's needs addressed.

3017
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:16,079
Um I'm I'm a huge advocate

3018
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:19,440
of the general plan. It It's important

3019
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:23,199
for cities to plan a city council. Yes,

3020
02:16:23,199 --> 02:16:24,960
we need to deal with what's going on

3021
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:27,040
today, but we've got to look 50 and 100

3022
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:29,360
years. And all of us are gone and your

3023
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:30,880
property belongs to someone else. Even

3024
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,120
your right, your your business that's

3025
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:35,040
there, your businesses that are there.

3026
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,120
So, what I'd like to see is something

3027
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:41,120
that works today for you today, but

3028
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:43,040
still helps in this future. And this is

3029
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:46,559
not swayed by what Mr. Taylor has said,

3030
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:48,160
although it aligns a lot with what he

3031
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:51,920
has said, that's been I will I want to

3032
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:54,800
protect master plans as much as

3033
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:59,200
possible. Um, so I think it's great to

3034
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:01,280
remove that that one slide that Mike

3035
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:04,080
showed with the green road. I'm

3036
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:06,160
completely in favor in facilitating some

3037
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,000
of the needs that that provides

3038
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:10,559
>> the entire green road.

3039
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:12,800
>> No, his short segment.

3040
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:14,800
>> Yes. on snow properties.

3041
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:16,559
>> So, I'm I'm I think that makes

3042
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:17,840
everyone's happy. I think the mayor just

3043
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:19,599
pointed that out. I think that works for

3044
02:17:19,599 --> 02:17:22,880
everyone. The other roads that are there

3045
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:26,000
on the general plan,

3046
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:28,559
they're there, but you keep doing your

3047
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:30,960
stuff, right? You keep running your

3048
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:32,399
business. You keep running your

3049
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:35,200
business. Mr. Snow, we can meet those

3050
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:38,240
needs. Um I'm one that would be happy to

3051
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:40,559
make a motion for that. But I don't need

3052
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:41,519
to make it right now because I don't

3053
02:17:41,519 --> 02:17:42,800
want to cut Steve off for others.

3054
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:44,479
>> Yeah. I just want some clarification

3055
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,880
too, kind of going beyond where you are

3056
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:49,519
because I was going to mention that, but

3057
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:51,760
with the two roads that are in place

3058
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:53,359
beyond just the one you're talking about

3059
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:56,639
eliminating in the future, if those were

3060
02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:59,439
to be developed, that would be some

3061
02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:01,519
agreement between two property owners

3062
02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:03,679
that and and what does that look like

3063
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:06,240
and how does that what's that process?

3064
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:08,719
So, typically you'll you'd have a

3065
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:11,200
subdivision plat dedicating right of way

3066
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:13,280
and so they will have to sign a

3067
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:16,000
subdivision plat or one person would

3068
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:17,920
need to buy one property owner would

3069
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,240
need to buy right ofway width from them.

3070
02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:24,160
So, a couple different options. Um, but

3071
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:26,960
>> so even if those stayed on the plan, uh,

3072
02:18:26,960 --> 02:18:28,880
it still requires all the parties to be

3073
02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:31,200
involved in how that will end up being

3074
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:32,880
developed. Correct. So, everybody still

3075
02:18:32,880 --> 02:18:34,800
has a voice in what happens.

3076
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:35,760
>> Yes. Okay,

3077
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:38,000
>> if I may, that's there's one additional

3078
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:40,479
option is condemnation.

3079
02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:43,920
For example, when Ivory put in uh its

3080
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:46,399
development, we had no interest in

3081
02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:48,800
utilities going across our property. And

3082
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,399
so, what did the city say? He cooperated

3083
02:18:50,399 --> 02:18:52,719
or we're going to condemn it.

3084
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,319
>> And if you read our development

3085
02:18:54,319 --> 02:18:56,240
agreement, it says right on his face, we

3086
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:57,760
are entering its agreement under the

3087
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:00,479
threat of condemnation. So if the city

3088
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:02,960
wants to do something for the which it

3089
02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:05,120
should for the betterment of the city,

3090
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:06,960
the future of the city, and the land

3091
02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:08,559
owners can't work it out, there's always

3092
02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:09,280
combination.

3093
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:10,719
>> Okay.

3094
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:12,559
>> And I do just need to clarify and and

3095
02:19:12,559 --> 02:19:15,200
Clark is right. It says that and Clark

3096
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:17,040
knows that we added that on there for

3097
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,280
tax purposes to help him. Now, there is

3098
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,040
a right of private condemnation that was

3099
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:23,200
raised by Ivory, but the city was never

3100
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,280
going to condemn your property. You

3101
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:27,519
remember that, right, Mark?

3102
02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:29,031
>> It's not my memory.

3103
02:19:29,031 --> 02:19:30,719
>> [laughter]

3104
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:32,880
>> there were utility benefits as well that

3105
02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:34,559
we'll put in there that will help

3106
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:36,000
>> but but there but he's right

3107
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:40,080
condemnation is an option that's right

3108
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:41,760
>> so again I don't want to close anyone

3109
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:43,519
off I want to protect the general plan

3110
02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:46,479
as a general plan it's just it's there

3111
02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:48,880
guideline it doesn't no roads going in

3112
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:51,600
today we're not forcing anything we're

3113
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:53,760
not they would stay on the general plan

3114
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:55,359
everybody continue doing their business

3115
02:19:55,359 --> 02:19:58,399
the way they're doing their business um

3116
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:01,359
we would just remove that section. I'm

3117
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:03,600
prepared to make that motion this time.

3118
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:07,200
Um if if but but keep talking others

3119
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:10,160
that are interested in asking questions.

3120
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:11,120
>> May I?

3121
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,040
>> Yes. Go ahead.

3122
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:16,240
>> Uh the thing that's changed in the last

3123
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:19,760
10 years is now we have a residential

3124
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:22,720
subdivision to the west

3125
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:25,359
uh that really surrounds now heavy

3126
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:28,720
industrial. And again, Our concern is

3127
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:32,960
the traffic that that residential uh

3128
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,439
development could generate going from

3129
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:39,840
west to east and then going south and up

3130
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,479
then and of course then east on center

3131
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:46,240
street. And you know we uh you know

3132
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:47,600
Clark Taylor says we shouldn't be

3133
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,560
swinging over roads girders. We don't.

3134
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,359
My concern is these are so unusual.

3135
02:20:53,359 --> 02:20:55,760
They're so large. some of the largest

3136
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:57,520
girders made in the western United

3137
02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:00,080
States or the United States period. I'm

3138
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:03,680
concerned about just traffic stopping

3139
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:07,120
and watching because they will. We're

3140
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,040
also painting there. We're allowed to

3141
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:12,960
paint. I'm concerned about that. Um

3142
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:15,920
>> that's if that road goes in from west to

3143
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:18,319
east or east to west. Yeah, I think it's

3144
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:19,920
important to note that that's the road

3145
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:22,160
that will generate the traffic. Now, you

3146
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:23,920
know, the culdesac would not generate

3147
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:26,560
the traffic. If if Schaefer wanted to

3148
02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:29,520
come west to east and and terminate in a

3149
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:32,800
culde-sac on his property to gain

3150
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:35,359
access, I wouldn't be opposed to that

3151
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:38,080
either, but I am opposed to a full east

3152
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:42,000
west north south corridor generating

3153
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:44,640
traffic right in the middle of heavy

3154
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,120
industrial.

3155
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:49,040
>> But we're not choosing, we're not

3156
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:50,960
deciding today to put a road in. We're

3157
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:53,600
just saying leave it there for 50 years

3158
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:54,880
or 100 years down the road.

3159
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:56,720
>> Let's decide not to put a road in

3160
02:21:56,720 --> 02:21:58,800
because the general plan should be

3161
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:00,800
changed because the conditions have

3162
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:01,600
changed.

3163
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:04,479
>> But they've changed because Martin has

3164
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:05,680
built on [clears throat] both sides of

3165
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,080
that road. I could build heavy

3166
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,720
industrial on both sides of that road on

3167
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:13,760
the north my my north end that adjoins

3168
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:16,560
Martin Snows. Those two pieces, you

3169
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:19,040
know, we talk about being landlocked. If

3170
02:22:19,040 --> 02:22:22,399
that goes in, I I've isolated two pieces

3171
02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:24,720
that I can't do anything with.

3172
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:28,800
>> They're very small. I can't do anything.

3173
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:29,680
>> But again,

3174
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:31,120
>> you know, we talk about, you know,

3175
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:32,880
keeping the general plan with, but if

3176
02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:35,200
the general plan because of the current

3177
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:38,560
conditions are are different today than

3178
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:41,760
they were in in 1990,

3179
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:44,000
change it. So, if someone were

3180
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,760
proposing, let's put a road in today,

3181
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:47,760
then you've got good arguments, and I

3182
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:49,200
would say, no, I don't think this is the

3183
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:51,920
right thing to do. The vote today is a

3184
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,000
general plan looking 50 to 100 years

3185
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:56,399
down the road. I'm fine with leaving it

3186
02:22:56,399 --> 02:22:57,760
there. I think it's good to leave it

3187
02:22:57,760 --> 02:22:59,840
there. We're not putting anything in

3188
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:01,280
today. Definitely not.

3189
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:05,120
>> I agree with that. But that that states

3190
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:09,680
that that is the possibility. That's the city sees as that as the

3191
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:12,800
future. And the fact And now we have

3192
02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:15,120
residential.

3193
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:16,960
You know what? What if Schaefer wants to

3194
02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:19,280
sell that as residential?

3195
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:20,640
What if he wants to sell it as

3196
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:24,319
commercial or or or uh office space?

3197
02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:26,960
That all of those are going to generate

3198
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:29,439
uh traffic. And none of those are good

3199
02:23:29,439 --> 02:23:32,080
neighbors to heavy industrial. None of

3200
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:35,920
them. And so if if if Schaefer wants an

3201
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:39,600
east west access, having put it in, it

3202
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:41,040
doesn't need to go all the way to the

3203
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:43,760
east of my property. It doesn't need to

3204
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:45,920
connect on the center street. If we put

3205
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:47,760
that culde-sac in which Schaefer

3206
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:49,760
recommended and we could have we could

3207
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,560
have passed this, if I would have agreed

3208
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,240
to it, it would have been changed two

3209
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:58,080
months ago because Schaeer requested the

3210
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:59,200
culde-sac,

3211
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:01,920
>> but I didn't want anything,

3212
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:03,040
>> right?

3213
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,520
And so that you know there there we are.

3214
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:08,399
I mean I don't know why if it just won't

3215
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:11,760
work now why why I mean it worked two

3216
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:14,479
months ago but now it won't because that

3217
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,000
was the solution

3218
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:16,720
>> right

3219
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:18,319
>> but I didn't want anything and it was

3220
02:24:18,319 --> 02:24:21,760
new to me. Well you know because I don't

3221
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:24,800
want new additional traffic generated

3222
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:27,280
that culde-sac accomplishes that. It

3223
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,280
accomplishes it for Martin. Martin

3224
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:31,439
doesn't want that that east west

3225
02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:36,000
corridor road running um against his

3226
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:37,760
southern property either.

3227
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:41,359
>> So quick question. So Mr. Taylor

3228
02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:44,399
said culde-sac is not his first choice,

3229
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:47,760
but in another alternate if there was a

3230
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:50,080
culde-sac, if there is a culde-sac, he

3231
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:53,520
needs it to go a little bit deeper to

3232
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:54,160
the north.

3233
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:56,319
>> In our in our current in our ordinance,

3234
02:24:56,319 --> 02:24:58,000
our subdivision ordinance says you can't

3235
02:24:58,000 --> 02:24:59,520
have a culde-sac

3236
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:02,399
>> deeper thanund or 650 ft. So that's

3237
02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:04,560
measured from the intersection of the

3238
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,160
street to the middle of the culde-sac.

3239
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:09,040
And so that's why, you know, we did that

3240
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:10,720
diagram and it shows, you know, what

3241
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:12,160
where it hits on the property

3242
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:14,000
>> and that's been something that we Go

3243
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:14,399
ahead.

3244
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:16,880
>> Excuse me. Is that the 650 ft you're

3245
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:18,560
talking about? In other words, did we

3246
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:20,319
take it as far north as we could?

3247
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:20,800
>> We did

3248
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:23,040
>> from Center Street under our current

3249
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:24,479
regulations. Well, that's something

3250
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:26,399
we've talked about reviewing because

3251
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:29,359
there's some examples in the city where

3252
02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:31,680
sometimes there's just been things have

3253
02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:34,000
been not developed,

3254
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:36,160
you know, with adjacent areas. And so

3255
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:39,040
maybe we need to review that. Um, but as

3256
02:25:39,040 --> 02:25:40,880
of today, correct, that is what it is.

3257
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:44,880
>> Yeah. And also clarify this the homes

3258
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:47,439
that back on to Anderson Lane, they they

3259
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:49,040
do not have access to Anderson Lane.

3260
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:50,319
There's a big

3261
02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:52,720
>> six or seven foot masonry wall along

3262
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:56,710
that street. [clears throat]

3263
02:25:56,720 --> 02:25:59,439
» Mr. Taylor or whoever you you said that

3264
02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:03,680
Anderson Lane couldn't be used for some

3265
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:07,520
of the purposes that you had hoped for.

3266
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:09,840
I don't I guess I is it because the

3267
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:12,640
trucks are too big or

3268
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:16,000
>> That's exactly right. You as a practical

3269
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:17,600
matter, you don't run semis in a

3270
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:19,120
neighborhood. Sure.

3271
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:22,319
>> And so the the the road to say we have

3272
02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:24,880
access for the current zoning it does

3273
02:26:24,880 --> 02:26:26,800
we're having industrial even the master

3274
02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:28,800
plan

3275
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:30,560
as light industrial doesn't work too.

3276
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:32,479
You have semis going up and down there.

3277
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:34,399
>> What is the road profile width that's

3278
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:36,479
called out for there. It's not really

3279
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:38,240
technically a neighborhood because a

3280
02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:40,640
neighborhood is is is completely cut off

3281
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:42,880
with that masonry wall. So the residents

3282
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:45,439
don't have access vehicularly or

3283
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:48,080
pedestrian or bicycle anything. It's

3284
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:51,600
segmented there. But maybe we should

3285
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,520
look what's the road profile

3286
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:55,040
>> closer to 700

3287
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:59,600
>> part of our development agreement with Shell Mountain. We actually worked

3288
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:01,680
with them and came to an agreement on

3289
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:09,190
the width and the profile of it.

3290
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:10,880
Again, we're all friends here, but I

3291
02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:13,520
disagree that that wasn't considered

3292
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:17,910
because we do have that

3293
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:20,399
There's more to the story than that. We

3294
02:27:20,399 --> 02:27:24,160
we're aware of the master plan and we're

3295
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:26,319
aware of current zoning and the master

3296
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:29,840
plan zoning. We know that a residential

3297
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:32,319
road won't work won't work. So, we had

3298
02:27:32,319 --> 02:27:36,000
the option at our cost using more than

3299
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:37,920
half of the road with our neighbor on

3300
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,880
our property of expanding the road on

3301
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:43,760
that segment. And we elected we made

3302
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:46,160
that election timely and writing. But

3303
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:51,920
that was our idea because we know that road as currently

3304
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:54,080
drafted on the master plan won't work

3305
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:56,720
for the development of this property. So

3306
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:59,680
that's why we're landlocked.

3307
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:01,439
Now you're right. Can things change in

3308
02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:04,319
the future? Maybe. But right now it's

3309
02:28:04,319 --> 02:28:07,280
650 ft. I'm very concerned about the

3310
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:09,120
fire department not allowing that even

3311
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:10,800
if the city council and the planning

3312
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:12,479
commission would allow it. So there are

3313
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:14,800
a lot of ifs. And so what we need to in

3314
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:17,439
my judgment is stick to what the policy

3315
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:20,080
is plan for the future like we've been

3316
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:23,040
relying for 30 years and our the

3317
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:27,439
proposal that Mr. Jacobs has made not

3318
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:31,760
formally lets matters go forward now and

3319
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:33,439
tables matter for the future when we

3320
02:28:33,439 --> 02:28:36,560
address them everybody you guys can all

3321
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:38,160
move forward with your deal. So, if

3322
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:40,319
Anderson Lane you feel is not wide

3323
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:41,840
enough

3324
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:44,560
um and then your segment that connects

3325
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:47,200
to Anderson Lane

3326
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:48,720
um

3327
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:51,760
has that same profile adoption which was

3328
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:54,720
skinny up the road a little bit. Um

3329
02:28:54,720 --> 02:28:57,920
would you ever want to expand it that

3330
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,960
profile for your industrial portion down

3331
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:05,040
there of Anderson Lane?

3332
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:08,399
We are we're going to build for what

3333
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:10,479
we're currently master zone for our

3334
02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:11,840
master plan for

3335
02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:13,359
>> and what we're currently zoned for.

3336
02:29:13,359 --> 02:29:14,880
We're going to build as though we're

3337
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:17,840
relying on what's there. And so we are

3338
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:21,040
building at our cost using our extra

3339
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:22,800
land, not going right down the middle.

3340
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:25,200
We're using we're paying for the extra

3341
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:27,760
improvements and using our land to make

3342
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:30,720
it wider than what the city

3343
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:33,120
than the the north south straight north

3344
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:33,840
south part of

3345
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,760
>> Anderson

3346
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:37,439
because we think master plan should

3347
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:40,870
carry weight.

3348
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:45,270
» All right.

3349
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:46,479
» Yes.

3350
02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:49,439
>> When Ivory came in, I was just looking

3351
02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:52,720
at the 2006 master plan.

3352
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:54,640
The

3353
02:29:54,640 --> 02:30:02,070
east west roadway

3354
02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:06,720
off 700 and then

3355
02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:08,960
went back and then the city put in the

3356
02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:12,080
road to get down to the lift station. So

3357
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:16,399
the east west used to continue right on

3358
02:30:16,399 --> 02:30:18,800
straight through and now that part of

3359
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:22,720
the road isn't there anymore. So I mean

3360
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:24,720
that's why I was saying is that in the

3361
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:27,120
right place

3362
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,280
for that I would think looking at the

3363
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,680
map we already took part of it out and

3364
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,000
the other issue that you were talking

3365
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,000
about the street with that road that

3366
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:39,439
went through Anderson what I call 1400

3367
02:30:39,439 --> 02:30:42,160
was in the previous

3368
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:45,920
years that was 66 foot wide road and

3369
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:48,720
then when Ivory came in we developed our

3370
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:53,120
side build This is a 66 foot road. Then

3371
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:56,399
Ivory shrunk it down to 15 foot so they

3372
02:30:56,399 --> 02:30:59,120
could build a little closer. We run a

3373
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:01,120
lot of trucks through there every day.

3374
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:04,240
Probably 10 or 15 trucks because they

3375
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,319
come straight down Anderson Lane. They

3376
02:31:06,319 --> 02:31:07,920
come around, go through our shipping

3377
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:11,200
yard. It is a lot tighter than it would

3378
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:13,680
be if it was 66 feet wide, but the

3379
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:16,880
trucks are still going through there and

3380
02:31:16,880 --> 02:31:20,000
but there's not much traffic now.

3381
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:21,920
because

3382
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:23,359
>> the residential are cut off.

3383
02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:25,760
>> The residential people don't

3384
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:26,880
>> have an access point.

3385
02:31:26,880 --> 02:31:28,640
>> They have no access. So, it's really

3386
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:31,120
just our trucks going through. But, I

3387
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:33,439
mean, it it will get busier when it's a

3388
02:31:33,439 --> 02:31:35,200
through street. It'll definitely get

3389
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:36,560
busier.

3390
02:31:36,560 --> 02:31:39,680
>> And there's I think what Mr. Taylor

3391
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:42,880
saying is what they did there. They

3392
02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:46,720
planned it for the 50 foot profile road,

3393
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:49,920
but they added it's 10 or 15 feet on

3394
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:52,479
their side, which allows for more

3395
02:31:52,479 --> 02:31:55,520
parking and think that's probably what

3396
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:57,760
needs to be done as a minimum. So really

3397
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:07,510
what happened

3398
02:32:07,520 --> 02:32:10,080
» I would like to One more if I could.

3399
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:11,760
This is an important decision because

3400
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:15,920
there aren't many 27 acre left. This is

3401
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:20,880
not a an easy or decision. We all have

3402
02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:25,120
to put a lot of time and effort into.

3403
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:27,600
>> Yes. And it is you can't really get

3404
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:29,760
access from the west because you have

3405
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:31,600
I-15.

3406
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:36,720
Um the north access is is a little bit

3407
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:38,399
limited.

3408
02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:42,160
um as well like you're saying. Um

3409
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:51,990
anyway, council, any other questions?

3410
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:53,680
Both sides have presented their points

3411
02:32:53,680 --> 02:33:05,750
of view very very well.

3412
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:08,720
Have we exhausted every possibility of

3413
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:11,840
making it work for all three? Is there

3414
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:14,880
something we're missing that hasn't been

3415
02:33:14,880 --> 02:33:18,240
reviewed or proposed or thought about?

3416
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:21,359
Good question.

3417
02:33:21,359 --> 02:33:23,439
>> I can tell you I have done my level

3418
02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:25,200
best. I've met with the parties. I've

3419
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:26,880
met with

3420
02:33:26,880 --> 02:33:30,399
Adam. I met with Noah.

3421
02:33:30,399 --> 02:33:32,640
Travis Travis

3422
02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:35,520
>> Trent

3423
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,760
>> Michael number I've I've done everything

3424
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:41,840
to exhaust every opportunity to present

3425
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:43,600
something that has worked for everybody

3426
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:57,750
and unfortunately we are where we are.

3427
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:05,590
Could

3428
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:10,319
you please show us again? Um, Mr. Snow,

3429
02:34:10,319 --> 02:34:13,291
I see two parcels there. Are do

3430
02:34:13,291 --> 02:34:15,520
[clears throat] you own one or both?

3431
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:17,120
There below the green line

3432
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:20,479
>> in that down in that corner. I own one

3433
02:34:20,479 --> 02:34:22,560
and the group home owns the other.

3434
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:24,160
>> Okay, that's the group home there.

3435
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:26,160
>> Yeah,

3436
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:28,399
>> the group home. There's a boy group home

3437
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:29,520
there.

3438
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:33,120
>> So the green dash line goes between it

3439
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:37,439
splits my parson there and it splits up.

3440
02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:40,479
>> Is there any conceivable idea that there

3441
02:34:40,479 --> 02:34:44,319
could be eliminate this and then

3442
02:34:44,319 --> 02:34:48,640
have this and then go across there.

3443
02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:51,280
That was what I brought up in the last

3444
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:55,040
meeting is saying then it lines up but

3445
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:59,520
>> then we don't bict Pacific Bridge.

3446
02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:02,560
Don't bisect your piece here. You still

3447
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:06,240
have full circular access

3448
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:07,840
here.

3449
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:10,560
>> I think I don't really want to make the

3450
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:13,760
decision on what's affecting Clark's

3451
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:15,760
property because he's the one that needs

3452
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:17,439
to develop it. That's where

3453
02:35:17,439 --> 02:35:19,680
>> is that something that is untenable to

3454
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:20,080
you?

3455
02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:21,600
>> It is. We don't we don't know what we're

3456
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:23,600
going to put there and it may be a large

3457
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:25,359
distribution center which would prevent

3458
02:35:25,359 --> 02:35:28,000
the development. We've explored that

3459
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:31,120
option is to answer your question and I

3460
02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:34,399
might note that uh I mean we could

3461
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:38,160
really drill down on this but Mr. Snow's

3462
02:35:38,160 --> 02:35:40,479
building was was approved and the

3463
02:35:40,479 --> 02:35:43,120
development agreement approved on the

3464
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:45,359
condition that road's going through and

3465
02:35:45,359 --> 02:35:48,319
I think if I this to even a elementary

3466
02:35:48,319 --> 02:35:50,560
sixth grader said where should this road

3467
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:53,200
go? It should go north and south. And

3468
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:54,800
we're not here jumping up and down

3469
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:56,960
saying don't do that. But we're saying

3470
02:35:56,960 --> 02:36:01,200
don't please don't landlock us. Leave

3471
02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:04,000
what we've relied on for decades and go

3472
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:05,520
ahead and accommodate Mark at this

3473
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:09,510
point.

3474
02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:11,680
» All right. So you would like to keep

3475
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:14,240
options open for what you don't know yet

3476
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:18,319
is coming. Um and I think our attorney

3477
02:36:18,319 --> 02:36:20,319
clearly explained

3478
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:23,200
um for the road to go in there has to be

3479
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:25,920
you know agreement on on cooperation.

3480
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:29,439
Right now no road is happening at this

3481
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:34,160
point in time. Um

3482
02:36:34,160 --> 02:36:42,469
>> no council any other

3483
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:44,080
it's been discussed just a little bit

3484
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:46,319
that culde-sac

3485
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:50,399
and the 650 ft and the idea that it

3486
02:36:50,399 --> 02:36:52,319
could be reviewed and possibly go

3487
02:36:52,319 --> 02:36:56,479
longer. Uh you brought up the points of

3488
02:36:56,479 --> 02:37:00,000
fire and those types of things. Uh is

3489
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:03,680
that even feasible for reasonably

3490
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:05,680
feasible?

3491
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:06,080
>> Yeah.

3492
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:07,840
>> Is it as simple as a legislative

3493
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:10,080
decision or how many departments get

3494
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:10,720
involved with?

3495
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:12,560
>> One of the things I've talked with Mr.

3496
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:15,040
Florence is to review that ordinance

3497
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:17,600
right now in the city because we have

3498
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:20,160
we've run across you know situations

3499
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:22,080
with that in the past as you may recall

3500
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:26,319
Van and just to maybe explore

3501
02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:28,399
you know what do other cities do in that

3502
02:37:28,399 --> 02:37:30,240
regard and and what are different

3503
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:33,359
situations we've come across with it.

3504
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:35,920
Yeah, I mean we we would review it with

3505
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:37,600
in conjunction with our engineering and

3506
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:39,439
fire departments because you're dealing

3507
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:42,000
with water and sewer lines as well and

3508
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:45,280
pressure and we already have issues with

3509
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:47,520
deadend culde-sacs and pressure and

3510
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:49,760
stagnant water and things and so we'd

3511
02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:52,399
work with so be planning engineering and

3512
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,240
fire would all need to evaluate those

3513
02:37:54,240 --> 02:37:56,960
and and it's it is all over the board.

3514
02:37:56,960 --> 02:37:59,439
Cities have some have 650, some have

3515
02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:02,880
a,000 ft. It it it changes per city as

3516
02:38:02,880 --> 02:38:25,670
well. So

3517
02:38:25,680 --> 02:38:26,479
Yes,

3518
02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:29,040
>> Mr. Taylor. I really don't understand

3519
02:38:29,040 --> 02:38:30,960
why what difference it makes to you if

3520
02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:33,120
that east west road is on the the north

3521
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:34,960
side of your property, the very north

3522
02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:37,760
side or the very south side. What

3523
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:41,670
difference does it make?

3524
02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:44,319
» You've got to go in. one or the other.

3525
02:38:44,319 --> 02:38:47,200
You've got same if that road cut across

3526
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:49,359
east to west a lot further south than

3527
02:38:49,359 --> 02:38:51,200
what we're showing. In other words,

3528
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:54,240
further south than than our property, my

3529
02:38:54,240 --> 02:38:58,800
property. Um uh what's what difference

3530
02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:00,080
does that make?

3531
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:01,600
>> It limits our development of the

3532
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:02,800
property.

3533
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:03,680
>> Why?

3534
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:06,319
>> You're talking about the east west road.

3535
02:39:06,319 --> 02:39:07,840
>> Yeah. Just move on.

3536
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:09,760
>> If you drop that road south, then we

3537
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,520
can't put a large distribution center in

3538
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:13,680
there. I think he's experiencing the

3539
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:15,439
same problem you have of getting

3540
02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:18,399
biseected that as was brought up by some

3541
02:39:18,399 --> 02:39:19,920
of the other parties. It's not

3542
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:21,120
preferable to be by

3543
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:22,720
>> Well, I'm not see I'm not saying because

3544
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:24,640
we we get into the ponds there, don't

3545
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:26,880
we?

3546
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:32,550
the the Utah state owned property

3547
02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:44,469
» close the two detention bas

3548
02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:46,080
» yeah I was I was saying to move that

3549
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,800
further south and so clerk what you're

3550
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:51,359
saying is you can't you can't move it

3551
02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:54,160
south far enough right

3552
02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:56,160
>> we can't we can't limit the devel

3553
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:58,160
velment of our property which we've

3554
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:01,359
again it's been through multiple master

3555
02:40:01,359 --> 02:40:03,680
plans for decades where it is and we

3556
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:05,200
think it should stay where it is as

3557
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:08,080
we've relied on it. We might have made

3558
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:10,880
different decisions along the way if if

3559
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:12,720
you know the plans were going to be

3560
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:14,960
changed. Well, I I I don't know how big

3561
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:18,479
a piece is my AR my my that I own north

3562
02:40:18,479 --> 02:40:21,760
and south of that green line uh as it

3563
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:25,520
adjoins to uh 1200 west.

3564
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:27,920
But

3565
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:29,680
I certainly can't use those as heavy

3566
02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:31,520
industrial. They're they're just not big

3567
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:33,600
enough. That that presents the same

3568
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:37,280
problem with me. I can't take my uh my

3569
02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:42,240
uh storage area to the west uh at all.

3570
02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:44,720
But If you come full circle, we're we're

3571
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:47,920
really not here because of that road.

3572
02:40:47,920 --> 02:40:50,080
We're here because of a dispute with the

3573
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:52,800
city and Mr. Martin.

3574
02:40:52,800 --> 02:40:54,479
That's why we're here. We wouldn't be

3575
02:40:54,479 --> 02:40:56,960
here discussing that road, nor the north

3576
02:40:56,960 --> 02:41:00,000
south segment at all. It's this the city

3577
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:01,920
and Lyndon have a problem with respect

3578
02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:05,120
to an encroachment that was allowed. And

3579
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:08,399
so the idea to do all of this didn't

3580
02:41:08,399 --> 02:41:11,040
come from some grandios planning. It

3581
02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:13,439
came from Mr. Cowi in trying to resolve

3582
02:41:13,439 --> 02:41:16,240
litigation. That's not why we do master

3583
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:18,000
planning

3584
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:19,840
and that's been through. We've had the

3585
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:22,399
same plan for decades. We don't solve it

3586
02:41:22,399 --> 02:41:24,319
based on a litigation.

3587
02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:27,120
>> And and and like we mentioned earlier,

3588
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:29,680
nothing is set in stone, immovable,

3589
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:33,520
inflexible. If there are reasonable

3590
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:35,520
uh adjustments to be made, that's why

3591
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:37,600
we're here to consider them. and and we

3592
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:41,040
want to hear each of the parties and and

3593
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:44,000
sometimes, you know, it's it's complex

3594
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:46,640
like you say and so

3595
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:50,800
council this is uh

3596
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:54,160
an action item for you.

3597
02:41:54,160 --> 02:41:55,840
Um

3598
02:41:55,840 --> 02:41:57,920
so

3599
02:41:57,920 --> 02:42:00,240
what are your thoughts on this here?

3600
02:42:00,240 --> 02:42:01,840
We've been deliberating on it for some

3601
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:04,399
time and I think we've heard all the

3602
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:06,000
parties

3603
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:10,640
different interests and concerns.

3604
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:12,319
>> Uh this is an unfair question because

3605
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:15,439
when I got moved into our mo our current

3606
02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:17,120
house, I didn't look at any master plans

3607
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,600
or roads or anything. I had no clue. So

3608
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:22,319
maybe it sounds like you all have been

3609
02:42:22,319 --> 02:42:25,760
considering this for a long time. And so

3610
02:42:25,760 --> 02:42:28,000
Mr. Snow, Mr. Olsen, have your

3611
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:30,640
organizations

3612
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:33,040
If we were to rewind the clock and there

3613
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:36,319
wasn't a discussion about removing it,

3614
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:38,960
what was your plan

3615
02:42:38,960 --> 02:42:41,359
with the way things are now? I mean,

3616
02:42:41,359 --> 02:42:42,800
there's some safety issues you've

3617
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:45,520
brought up. So, I mean, I guess nothing

3618
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:47,040
would trigger these roads, so maybe you

3619
02:42:47,040 --> 02:42:49,200
didn't have to think very much about

3620
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:51,359
what would what you would do with

3621
02:42:51,359 --> 02:42:54,399
divided land and small, but did you look

3622
02:42:54,399 --> 02:42:59,359
at all what you might do? um or is this

3623
02:42:59,359 --> 02:43:02,399
you know it's peace of mind to have a

3624
02:43:02,399 --> 02:43:05,280
dotted line off a map you know

3625
02:43:05,280 --> 02:43:08,160
>> so definitely peace of mind but when we

3626
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:12,000
did put those two buildings in across

3627
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:14,240
the road there was a lot of discussion

3628
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:18,560
at that time about developing 1400

3629
02:43:18,560 --> 02:43:21,280
and not worrying so much about this road

3630
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:24,000
because 1400 was supposed to be the main

3631
02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:26,240
artery supposed to

3632
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:30,080
sack at one corner straight out. So, you

3633
02:43:30,080 --> 02:43:34,000
know, we weren't really 100% concerned

3634
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:36,720
that that road was ever going to go

3635
02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:39,600
through. So, that was our hope was

3636
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:43,040
always, you know, in our mind on paper

3637
02:43:43,040 --> 02:43:47,200
this was the master plan, but also 1400

3638
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:51,269
went straight through

3639
02:43:51,279 --> 02:43:55,760
and there's some issues down the

3640
02:43:55,760 --> 02:44:05,190
power.

3641
02:44:05,200 --> 02:44:07,520
I think one of the holes right in the

3642
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:08,240
middle.

3643
02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:11,200
>> Where's the utility?

3644
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:13,278
>> Okay.

3645
02:44:13,278 --> 02:44:14,800
[laughter]

3646
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:16,399
>> The further you get away, the harder it

3647
02:44:16,399 --> 02:44:16,640
is.

3648
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,040
>> I know. Yes, it's true. It's true.

3649
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:20,560
>> So,

3650
02:44:20,560 --> 02:44:24,160
that's that's our, you know, my input on

3651
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:31,670
that.

3652
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:34,640
All right, councel.

3653
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:36,240
>> I don't want to cut anyone off. I'm

3654
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:39,479
prepared to make a motion.

3655
02:44:39,479 --> 02:44:40,399
[clears throat]

3656
02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:43,040
I move to approve ordinance

3657
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:44,720
and and help me if I'm saying this wrong

3658
02:44:44,720 --> 02:44:46,720
or if I'm missing something, please. I

3659
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:51,990
move to approve ordinance 2026-1-

3660
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:54,000
with the amendment that 1200 West be

3661
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:59,349
removed up to 200 north.

3662
02:44:59,359 --> 02:45:03,750
» Is that this?

3663
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:06,960
» It matches. Yep. Kind of

3664
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:08,880
>> Yes, it does match that. And it also

3665
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:12,080
matches one that Mike showed earlier.

3666
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:13,920
Although Mike's was a little short and

3667
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:16,240
I'm saying go ahead and remove it all

3668
02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:21,269
the way up to 200 north.

3669
02:45:21,279 --> 02:45:22,399
» So matches that one.

3670
02:45:22,399 --> 02:45:23,920
>> So that extra

3671
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:24,880
>> 200 north.

3672
02:45:24,880 --> 02:45:29,670
>> Yes.

3673
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:30,960
» All right. We have a motion.

3674
02:45:30,960 --> 02:45:31,840
>> I second.

3675
02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:33,279
>> We have a motion by council member

3676
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:35,200
Jacobs, seconded by council member

3677
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:37,120
Stewart. Any further discussion on the

3678
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:39,920
motion?

3679
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:40,240
>> All right.

3680
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:45,590
>> So with what you proposed

3681
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:49,279
there. Um

3682
02:45:49,279 --> 02:45:50,399
I'm just

3683
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:52,319
>> I still leave it open for a culde-sac.

3684
02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:53,920
That could still happen if everybody got

3685
02:45:53,920 --> 02:45:56,160
together and said, "Let's make this." We

3686
02:45:56,160 --> 02:45:57,359
have that option there.

3687
02:45:57,359 --> 02:45:58,960
>> All the other options are there. We're

3688
02:45:58,960 --> 02:46:01,040
not planning. I shouldn't say.

3689
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:02,720
>> No one's proposing to put a road in

3690
02:46:02,720 --> 02:46:03,840
today.

3691
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:05,840
>> That's a decision down the road. This is

3692
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:09,680
just saying remove that 1,200

3693
02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:13,120
west section up to where 200 north goes.

3694
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:14,880
Everybody conduct business as they have

3695
02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:19,269
in the past.

3696
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:20,560
» Okay.

3697
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:22,160
Any further discussion on the

3698
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:24,880
motion? Understood what the motion

3699
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:27,920
entails. All right. I'll call the vote.

3700
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:29,040
All in favor?

3701
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:30,240
>> I.

3702
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:31,439
>> Any opposed?

3703
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:32,560
>> Name.

3704
02:46:32,560 --> 02:46:36,479
>> Okay. That's three eyes. One may the

3705
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:45,190
motion carries.

3706
02:46:45,200 --> 02:46:46,800
» Thank you all for coming here and being

3707
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:54,710
here tonight.

3708
02:46:54,720 --> 02:46:57,840
All right. Item number nine has been um

3709
02:46:57,840 --> 02:47:01,279
they've moved to a future date. So we

3710
02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:03,200
will move on to item number 10 which is

3711
02:47:03,200 --> 02:47:04,640
the recess to the Lynen City

3712
02:47:04,640 --> 02:47:08,870
Redevelopment Agency.

3713
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:09,760
So we just

3714
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:11,680
>> recess the Lynen City Council meeting

3715
02:47:11,680 --> 02:47:14,720
and convene as the Lynen City RDA.

3716
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:15,120
>> Second.

3717
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:15,359
>> Okay.

3718
02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:17,200
>> So moved by Councilman Stewart, seconded

3719
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:19,520
by Councilman Broadick. All in favor?

3720
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:20,560
>> I.

3721
02:47:20,560 --> 02:47:24,319
>> All right. We are now in the uh RDA

3722
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:28,080
uh here um on May 4th, 2026. And we'll

3723
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:30,640
have a roll call. I'll start here on my

3724
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:31,680
right.

3725
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:32,960
>> Steve Stewart I

3726
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,479
>> J I

3727
02:47:34,479 --> 02:47:35,760
>> Lunberg I

3728
02:47:35,760 --> 02:47:37,120
>> Cole Hulie I

3729
02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:38,479
>> Lincoln Jacobs I

3730
02:47:38,479 --> 02:47:40,080
>> Van Brick I.

3731
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:41,520
>> All right, there are some approval of

3732
02:47:41,520 --> 02:47:47,910
minutes from the March 16th RDA meeting

3733
02:47:47,920 --> 02:47:51,349
and adoption.

3734
02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:53,359
» I'll make a motion that we approve the

3735
02:47:53,359 --> 02:47:58,000
March 16th uh 2026 RDA minutes. Second

3736
02:47:58,000 --> 02:47:59,840
>> motion by council member Hoy, seconded

3737
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,160
by council member Stewart. All in favor

3738
02:48:02,160 --> 02:48:04,800
of passing the approval of the minutes.

3739
02:48:04,800 --> 02:48:06,000
>> I

3740
02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:08,399
>> Okay, that is unanimous. Thank you. All

3741
02:48:08,399 --> 02:48:10,160
right, we'll go on to item number three.

3742
02:48:10,160 --> 02:48:11,520
This is a public hearing budget

3743
02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:13,120
amendment. So, we need to open a public

3744
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:14,160
hearing.

3745
02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:15,760
>> I make a motion to open a public

3746
02:48:15,760 --> 02:48:17,279
hearing.

3747
02:48:17,279 --> 02:48:17,760
>> Second.

3748
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:19,680
>> Okay. So, moved by Councilman Broadick,

3749
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:21,760
seconded by Council Member Point. All in

3750
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:22,880
favor?

3751
02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:23,760
>> I.

3752
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:26,000
>> All right.

3753
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:31,349
Chase, you you rock that look.

3754
02:48:31,359 --> 02:48:34,720
» Chase Adams are the hair. The hair makes

3755
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:36,080
the [laughter]

3756
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:37,120
>> Yeah. Sorry. Um

3757
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:39,520
>> I I had the AI ask him to make you have

3758
02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:42,880
long hair. So that's from like the the

3759
02:48:42,880 --> 02:48:44,479
uh directory photos.

3760
02:48:44,479 --> 02:48:45,760
>> Yes.

3761
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:46,160
>> So

3762
02:48:46,160 --> 02:48:48,880
>> it's not quite long enough though.

3763
02:48:48,880 --> 02:48:50,399
>> It's got some more curl through it

3764
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:51,439
though.

3765
02:48:51,439 --> 02:48:53,200
>> I think I'm getting close to uh to

3766
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:54,960
chopping it. So [laughter]

3767
02:48:54,960 --> 02:48:56,720
Um,

3768
02:48:56,720 --> 02:48:58,640
okay. Um,

3769
02:48:58,640 --> 02:49:00,319
we're

3770
02:49:00,319 --> 02:49:02,880
u mostly here to just kind of close

3771
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:07,279
three of our um RDAs. Um, the State

3772
02:49:07,279 --> 02:49:08,880
Street District, the Westside District,

3773
02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:12,319
and the district number three. Um,

3774
02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:14,160
that's kind of largely what the the

3775
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:17,040
amendment does. Um, so essentially we're

3776
02:49:17,040 --> 02:49:19,439
going to get rid of not get rid of uh

3777
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:22,399
close out, I should say. Sorry. um those

3778
02:49:22,399 --> 02:49:24,000
three

3779
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:30,240
um and uh largely by transferring uh the

3780
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:32,240
remaining funds to the affordable

3781
02:49:32,240 --> 02:49:36,720
housing fund um which is I don't

3782
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:39,680
uh which is kind of just a a fund that

3783
02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:41,439
um we're using for like kind of

3784
02:49:41,439 --> 02:49:44,000
accounting transfers in and out and like

3785
02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:46,560
interest and stuff. So for um the

3786
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:50,640
affordable housing funds um

3787
02:49:50,640 --> 02:50:00,720
uh other than that there's uh a couple of uh I I don't know tons not tons of

3788
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:04,720
changes to the 700 North CDA and the uh

3789
02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:07,279
and sorry I call them RDA RDA not CDA

3790
02:50:07,279 --> 02:50:09,439
>> over the uh over the years I guess the

3791
02:50:09,439 --> 02:50:12,080
acronym has changed for uh redevelopment

3792
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:16,800
area. So, uh, but also the Lynen Park

3793
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:17,920
CRA,

3794
02:50:17,920 --> 02:50:18,240
>> right?

3795
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:19,920
>> Um,

3796
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:23,920
>> and, um, there's, uh,

3797
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:25,520
let me, let me just check my notes, make

3798
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:27,120
sure I'm not leading anyone astray here.

3799
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:35,680
I think um my the big thing I was supposed to

3800
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:40,960
note was that uh we're um allocating 5%

3801
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:45,680
uh of the tax increment towards um

3802
02:50:45,680 --> 02:50:48,160
affordable housing for the 700 North RDA

3803
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:52,399
and for the Lynen Park RDA or rather

3804
02:50:52,399 --> 02:50:56,160
CRA, sorry, whatever it's called. Um is

3805
02:50:56,160 --> 02:50:58,800
uh We're allocating 10% of the tax

3806
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:00,319
increment towards affordable housing

3807
02:51:00,319 --> 02:51:06,560
from from that uh that district. Um

3808
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:08,560
and I

3809
02:51:08,560 --> 02:51:10,800
Kristen told me to note that um

3810
02:51:10,800 --> 02:51:12,960
currently in the affordable housing uh

3811
02:51:12,960 --> 02:51:18,550
we have 50,000 $57,581

3812
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:20,479
and we'll be moving uh by the end of the

3813
02:51:20,479 --> 02:51:22,640
year. We anticipate having a by the end

3814
02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:26,479
of the fiscal year um we anticipate

3815
02:51:26,479 --> 02:51:31,830
having uh 189,693

3816
02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:34,560
u in that account.

3817
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:38,560
Um and that was essentially the notes

3818
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:40,960
that I uh that I have. If there's uh

3819
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:43,600
specific questions I'll probably have to

3820
02:51:43,600 --> 02:51:44,800
get back to you on, but [laughter] I'm

3821
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:47,439
happy to happy to field what I can.

3822
02:51:47,439 --> 02:51:51,840
>> I I can add a few items to that. Um, so

3823
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:54,160
like we have two RDA areas, the 700

3824
02:51:54,160 --> 02:51:57,200
North RDA and the Lynen Park CRA. We

3825
02:51:57,200 --> 02:52:01,840
we've got a withhold uh 10% and 5% of

3826
02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:04,399
the property tax increment for housing.

3827
02:52:04,399 --> 02:52:07,040
So that that that that's has to be

3828
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:11,600
ongoing. The current state law says that

3829
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:15,680
after uh RDA expires, you've you've got

3830
02:52:15,680 --> 02:52:18,240
to move that housing into or you've got

3831
02:52:18,240 --> 02:52:20,560
to move those any remaining funds into

3832
02:52:20,560 --> 02:52:24,399
housing. Now, that changes on Wednesday

3833
02:52:24,399 --> 02:52:27,760
and it says on Wednesday, it says you've

3834
02:52:27,760 --> 02:52:29,920
got to go back and find out who all the

3835
02:52:29,920 --> 02:52:32,240
texting entities are and if there's any

3836
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:34,319
additional funds, you have to reimburse

3837
02:52:34,319 --> 02:52:36,640
all those taxing entities with that

3838
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:39,680
remaining budget. And so, that kind of

3839
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:42,319
partic uh kind of helped move this

3840
02:52:42,319 --> 02:52:44,080
forward that [laughter]

3841
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:45,840
um as we're reading the new state code

3842
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:49,120
last week, uh we said, "Well, let's not

3843
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:51,600
give all this money back. Let's move it

3844
02:52:51,600 --> 02:52:54,000
under the current law to affordable

3845
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:57,120
housing and then we'll figure out how to

3846
02:52:57,120 --> 02:53:01,830
apply that in the future.

3847
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:04,720
» Good to know.

3848
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:06,640
>> And then the three districts that are no

3849
02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:08,960
longer collecting tax increment and have

3850
02:53:08,960 --> 02:53:11,600
this leftover fund balance. Um just for

3851
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:12,720
the record, for those that are

3852
02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:14,640
listening, could we let's state what

3853
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:15,840
those are?

3854
02:53:15,840 --> 02:53:19,920
>> Uh yes, sure. Um the

3855
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:22,829
uh the State Street District. Um

3856
02:53:22,829 --> 02:53:25,760
[clears throat] we have we've used like

3857
02:53:25,760 --> 02:53:27,439
325,000

3858
02:53:27,439 --> 02:53:29,359
uh for

3859
02:53:29,359 --> 02:53:33,760
um to help pay for uh

3860
02:53:33,760 --> 02:53:36,720
um

3861
02:53:36,720 --> 02:53:37,200
>> purchase.

3862
02:53:37,200 --> 02:53:38,560
>> Yes, a property purchase. Sorry. Thank

3863
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:41,920
you. Um Mr. Florence.

3864
02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:44,479
And um

3865
02:53:44,479 --> 02:53:47,200
uh so the remaining balance there would

3866
02:53:47,200 --> 02:53:50,000
be 21,936

3867
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:54,560
uh that we would be transferring to

3868
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:56,720
uh in that case the uh the recreation

3869
02:53:56,720 --> 02:53:59,200
front fund. Um

3870
02:53:59,200 --> 02:54:02,000
>> and that's an eligible RDA. So that one,

3871
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:03,920
you know, doesn't necessarily need to go

3872
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:05,840
to housing. That that's an eligible

3873
02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:07,120
fund,

3874
02:54:07,120 --> 02:54:09,040
>> right?

3875
02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:10,560
Thank you.

3876
02:54:10,560 --> 02:54:15,040
And um in the west side uh district

3877
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:18,640
there's uh 21,744.

3878
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:20,880
Um all of that would be going to the um

3879
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:23,760
the housing affordable housing fund. Um

3880
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:30,550
in district 3 there's uh

3881
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:33,279
7,477

3882
02:54:33,279 --> 02:54:36,319
uh in total revenues. Um, of that, uh,

3883
02:54:36,319 --> 02:54:38,960
97,200 would be going to the housing

3884
02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:43,120
fund. Uh, we're taking, uh, like a hair

3885
02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:45,840
under 6,5,995,

3886
02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:48,720
uh, to pay for, uh, landscaping services

3887
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:51,520
uh, for the remainder of the year and,

3888
02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:53,439
um,

3889
02:54:53,439 --> 02:54:54,800
that were trans rather transferring,

3890
02:54:54,800 --> 02:54:56,160
sorry, to the general fund because it

3891
02:54:56,160 --> 02:54:57,600
was uh, kind of prepaid out of that

3892
02:54:57,600 --> 02:55:00,560
fund. Um

3893
02:55:00,560 --> 02:55:02,479
and

3894
02:55:02,479 --> 02:55:04,240
um

3895
02:55:04,240 --> 02:55:09,110
those are the three.

3896
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:14,309
All right, council. Any questions?

3897
02:55:14,319 --> 02:55:16,000
Okay, this is a public hearing, so I'd

3898
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:22,389
like to open it for any public comment.

3899
02:55:22,399 --> 02:55:24,160
» All right, seeing none, I'd

3900
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:25,520
>> like a motion to close the public

3901
02:55:25,520 --> 02:55:26,000
hearing.

3902
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:26,560
>> Second.

3903
02:55:26,560 --> 02:55:27,920
>> Okay. A motion by council member

3904
02:55:27,920 --> 02:55:29,680
Broadick, seconded by council member Hoy

3905
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:31,920
to close a public hearing. All in favor?

3906
02:55:31,920 --> 02:55:32,640
>> I.

3907
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:33,760
>> Okay.

3908
02:55:33,760 --> 02:55:35,200
>> Be interesting to see with our new

3909
02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:37,600
school district

3910
02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:39,520
if there's opportunities with them down

3911
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:43,040
the road. Um they seem so much more

3912
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:46,276
friendly and amanable now. Um

3913
02:55:46,276 --> 02:55:47,520
[clears throat] but I almost see them

3914
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:50,080
going away from participating. I I I

3915
02:55:50,080 --> 02:55:51,439
don't I I guess I'm not close enough to

3916
02:55:51,439 --> 02:55:55,359
it. Have we seen since Oram's University

3917
02:55:55,359 --> 02:55:57,840
Place any participation from a school

3918
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:03,349
district?

3919
02:56:03,359 --> 02:56:06,080
» Yeah. Okay.

3920
02:56:06,080 --> 02:56:08,240
Just a thought. I I I mean I thought the

3921
02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:10,160
meeting went really well today. I think

3922
02:56:10,160 --> 02:56:12,080
there's just a lot of synergy there, a

3923
02:56:12,080 --> 02:56:15,840
lot of friendship between the groups.

3924
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:17,600
Um

3925
02:56:17,600 --> 02:56:23,269
maybe down the road

3926
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:25,439
This is the budget item.

3927
02:56:25,439 --> 02:56:27,920
>> Okay.

3928
02:56:27,920 --> 02:56:30,160
With the public hearing closed, is

3929
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:31,760
there any other comments? Any other

3930
02:56:31,760 --> 02:56:33,359
concerns?

3931
02:56:33,359 --> 02:56:36,479
I'd be glad to make a motion.

3932
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:38,479
>> Uh, I move to approve resolution

3933
02:56:38,479 --> 02:56:41,670
2026-2-RDA.

3934
02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:42,160
» Second.

3935
02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:43,040
>> Oops. Second

3936
02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:44,720
>> as presented. Yes.

3937
02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:47,760
>> Sorry. Who? We have Councilman Hoy.

3938
02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:50,240
Motion. Who is the second? Roderick. All

3939
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:52,080
right. Thank you. All in favor?

3940
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:54,640
>> I

3941
02:56:54,640 --> 02:56:56,319
>> All right. So, that's a budget

3942
02:56:56,319 --> 02:56:58,160
amendment. So, now we'll move on to item

3943
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:02,080
number four of the RDA agenda and that

3944
02:57:02,080 --> 02:57:04,560
is to now have a review and action to

3945
02:57:04,560 --> 02:57:07,359
dissolve these expired RDAs that were

3946
02:57:07,359 --> 02:57:08,479
presented.

3947
02:57:08,479 --> 02:57:10,960
>> Yeah. And so these RDAs, they were

3948
02:57:10,960 --> 02:57:14,240
created in the 80s um between 82 and 89.

3949
02:57:14,240 --> 02:57:18,640
Um we haven't collected any uh you know

3950
02:57:18,640 --> 02:57:21,439
increment taxes off those since you know

3951
02:57:21,439 --> 02:57:25,279
between tw 2009 and 2019. Um they've all

3952
02:57:25,279 --> 02:57:26,960
been successful. They've they've met

3953
02:57:26,960 --> 02:57:28,880
their purpose especially where Home

3954
02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:33,600
Depot and Murdoch Hyundai I mean that has created some of our top sales

3955
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:39,600
tax producers. So those are great to set up. Uh the west side was set up to

3956
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:41,600
basically help where Schaefer Industries

3957
02:57:41,600 --> 02:57:44,240
is and and those industrial properties

3958
02:57:44,240 --> 02:57:47,040
to help improve our industrial sector

3959
02:57:47,040 --> 02:57:50,479
and um the State Street sounded like

3960
02:57:50,479 --> 02:57:52,000
there was some issues of blight they

3961
02:57:52,000 --> 02:57:54,319
were dealing with in the 80s and I think

3962
02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:56,080
State Street looks a lot better in those

3963
02:57:56,080 --> 02:57:58,240
areas that were redeveloped. So, but

3964
02:57:58,240 --> 02:58:01,680
they've outlived their their time and um

3965
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:03,439
it's now we're bringing forward a

3966
02:58:03,439 --> 02:58:05,680
process to dissolve those three areas.

3967
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:08,960
We've created the processes. We have to

3968
02:58:08,960 --> 02:58:11,760
um approve those by the dissolution by

3969
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:14,479
resolution and then the city council has

3970
02:58:14,479 --> 02:58:19,830
to approve it by an ordinance.

3971
02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:21,840
» When you say they're expired, what does

3972
02:58:21,840 --> 02:58:23,120
that mean? When they're first created,

3973
02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:24,880
they were created for certain period of

3974
02:58:24,880 --> 02:58:25,279
time

3975
02:58:25,279 --> 02:58:27,359
>> typically. Yeah. like this 700 North

3976
02:58:27,359 --> 02:58:30,560
RDA. It it it was only created to last

3977
02:58:30,560 --> 02:58:34,240
till 20 or 2037 and then during COVID

3978
02:58:34,240 --> 02:58:36,560
state law allowed us to expand it give

3979
02:58:36,560 --> 02:58:39,279
an additional two years. So it'll expire

3980
02:58:39,279 --> 02:58:41,279
in 2039. So yeah, they all have a

3981
02:58:41,279 --> 02:58:43,920
project area plan and budget that

3982
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:47,520
expires you typically 20 to 25 years.

3983
02:58:47,520 --> 02:58:49,279
>> Those time limits were imposed by the

3984
02:58:49,279 --> 02:58:49,840
state.

3985
02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:50,319
>> Yep.

3986
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:51,200
>> Yeah.

3987
02:58:51,200 --> 02:58:53,600
>> And in order to I mean they expire when

3988
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:55,573
they expired by date.

3989
02:58:55,573 --> 02:58:55,600
>> [clears throat]

3990
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:57,760
>> But in order to close them, all the

3991
02:58:57,760 --> 02:59:00,240
debts and everything has to be paid off.

3992
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:03,040
>> And then once that's done,

3993
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:03,680
>> you close them.

3994
02:59:03,680 --> 02:59:06,240
>> Just approved was cashing it all out.

3995
02:59:06,240 --> 02:59:08,479
And so we had even though the time had

3996
02:59:08,479 --> 02:59:10,479
expired on these three RDAs, we still

3997
02:59:10,479 --> 02:59:12,080
had some remaining money in there that

3998
02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:14,240
we were using for some things. And so

3999
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:16,080
you've just approved. They're all now a

4000
02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:20,000
zero balance. Am I remembering correctly

4001
02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:22,720
that we used some funds

4002
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:25,680
with the Kia um dealership?

4003
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:27,760
>> Did we do it with Hyundai as well or was

4004
02:59:27,760 --> 02:59:28,640
it just Kia?

4005
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:29,840
>> I think we did.

4006
02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:32,720
>> Hyundai um

4007
02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:34,960
>> could have used RDA funds, but we did

4008
02:59:34,960 --> 02:59:36,880
have an incentive package with Hyundai

4009
02:59:36,880 --> 02:59:38,880
and we exchanged some property. we used

4010
02:59:38,880 --> 02:59:41,279
to have where part of their parking lot

4011
02:59:41,279 --> 02:59:43,200
uh is currently it used to be just an

4012
02:59:43,200 --> 02:59:45,520
open detention basin and so we

4013
02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:47,600
transferred that property to them and

4014
02:59:47,600 --> 02:59:49,840
allowed them to bury that detention

4015
02:59:49,840 --> 02:59:52,399
system and so they have a subsurface

4016
02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:54,720
detention basin under their parking lot

4017
02:59:54,720 --> 02:59:57,359
so we we traded some land as part of the

4018
02:59:57,359 --> 02:59:59,840
incentive to get them here

4019
02:59:59,840 --> 03:00:02,319
>> and that was I don't know I don't

4020
03:00:02,319 --> 03:00:04,560
believe there was any direct RDA

4021
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:06,319
reimbursement but they did have a sales

4022
03:00:06,319 --> 03:00:08,479
tax performanc

4023
03:00:08,479 --> 03:00:09,920
plan [clears throat] similar to what KIA

4024
03:00:09,920 --> 03:00:11,279
is doing. So if they hit certain

4025
03:00:11,279 --> 03:00:13,439
benchmarks, we would pay them back a

4026
03:00:13,439 --> 03:00:15,120
certain amount.

4027
03:00:15,120 --> 03:00:16,960
>> And KIA is knocking it out of the park.

4028
03:00:16,960 --> 03:00:20,479
They that was set up as a five-year RDA

4029
03:00:20,479 --> 03:00:22,960
and they're going to we're going to be

4030
03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:24,720
closing that out in three and a half or

4031
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:27,520
within

4032
03:00:27,520 --> 03:00:28,560
ahead of schedule.

4033
03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:30,160
>> Yes. Three and a half years instead of

4034
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:30,880
five.

4035
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:34,479
>> And the KIA plan is is that owned

4036
03:00:34,479 --> 03:00:36,720
property. That is the only property. So

4037
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:41,120
it's just their land and that was the CR

4038
03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:46,000
>> under the umbrella of the RDA. Okay. So

4039
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:48,640
>> which has nothing to do with the PTA

4040
03:00:48,640 --> 03:00:50,240
does not. [laughter] But you have some

4041
03:00:50,240 --> 03:00:52,960
PTA stuff in front of you here tonight.

4042
03:00:52,960 --> 03:00:54,800
>> Yeah. About about 10 years ago they came

4043
03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:57,120
out every few years like last this last

4044
03:00:57,120 --> 03:00:58,880
legislative session they changed it

4045
03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:01,120
again you know and 10 years ago they

4046
03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:04,240
created EDAs, CDAs and CRAAS and you

4047
03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:05,359
know it was

4048
03:01:05,359 --> 03:01:07,439
>> crazy. Yeah.

4049
03:01:07,439 --> 03:01:09,200
>> Well, needless to say, great decision-

4050
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:11,600
making by our forefathers

4051
03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:14,319
here in the city. It's been great. You

4052
03:01:14,319 --> 03:01:15,520
know what I mean? They served their

4053
03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:18,240
purpose and and here we are. And, you

4054
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:21,040
know, would be remiss not to recognize

4055
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:22,640
those who put them into place back in

4056
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:25,520
the 80s or so. I'm I'm ready to make a

4057
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:28,319
motion. Um, I move to approve resolution

4058
03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:30,479
2026-3-

4059
03:01:30,479 --> 03:01:36,479
RDA. Um, also 2026-4- RDA and 2026-5-

4060
03:01:36,479 --> 03:01:38,240
RDA as presented.

4061
03:01:38,240 --> 03:01:39,279
>> Second.

4062
03:01:39,279 --> 03:01:40,800
>> You have a motion by Councilman Hoy,

4063
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:44,399
second by Councilman Jacobs. All in

4064
03:01:44,399 --> 03:01:45,760
favor?

4065
03:01:45,760 --> 03:01:47,040
>> I.

4066
03:01:47,040 --> 03:01:48,960
>> Any opposed? All right, that is

4067
03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:50,399
unanimous.

4068
03:01:50,399 --> 03:01:52,479
>> Easier to approve this when you look at

4069
03:01:52,479 --> 03:01:54,391
the figures of Mike and Brian there.

4070
03:01:54,391 --> 03:01:54,960
[laughter]

4071
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:57,920
It just gives you confidence.

4072
03:01:57,920 --> 03:01:59,840
All right, I take a motion to adjurnn

4073
03:01:59,840 --> 03:02:02,160
and reconvene. [laughter]

4074
03:02:02,160 --> 03:02:02,319
I

4075
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:04,479
>> like that we blew up the RDAs in the

4076
03:02:04,479 --> 03:02:06,240
that picture there.

4077
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:08,800
>> I think

4078
03:02:08,800 --> 03:02:10,640
move to adjourn the RDA meeting and

4079
03:02:10,640 --> 03:02:13,279
reconvene the city council meeting.

4080
03:02:13,279 --> 03:02:14,160
>> Second.

4081
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:15,760
>> Okay. Motion by Councilman Broadick,

4082
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:18,319
second by Cal Councilman Jacobs. All in

4083
03:02:18,319 --> 03:02:20,080
favor? I

4084
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:22,240
>> I'd like to take just a five minute

4085
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:25,600
break here so we can all stand up for a

4086
03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:27,439
minute. It's been

4087
03:02:27,439 --> 03:02:29,120
three hours.

4088
03:02:29,120 --> 03:02:31,726
>> Okay.

4089
03:02:31,726 --> 03:02:32,880
[clears throat]

4090
03:02:32,880 --> 03:02:35,279
>> And those pictures just made all of us

4091
03:02:35,279 --> 03:02:37,279
smile. You guys all have a good sense of

4092
03:02:37,279 --> 03:02:47,349
humor. So

4093
03:02:47,359 --> 03:02:55,110
» I think the key word

4094
03:02:55,120 --> 03:03:07,510
» lawyer

4095
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:18,389
Sorry to abandon it.

4096
03:03:18,399 --> 03:03:19,200
» Mountain.

4097
03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:20,319
>> Did you see theirs?

4098
03:03:20,319 --> 03:03:22,319
>> Yeah, I did. They got it on their face.

4099
03:03:22,319 --> 03:03:24,800
>> It's like a cartoon. So,

4100
03:03:24,800 --> 03:03:26,479
>> yeah. Totally made you look like a city

4101
03:03:26,479 --> 03:03:36,870
planner, man. Check that out.

4102
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:38,479
» Ashley, sorry you got to be here so

4103
03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:38,880
late.

4104
03:03:38,880 --> 03:03:44,550
>> I you know, it was fun listening to it.

4105
03:03:44,560 --> 03:03:46,640
» We got a couple more things to do here

4106
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:48,160
before we get to you. So,

4107
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:49,920
>> I will silently work.

4108
03:03:49,920 --> 03:04:00,797
>> All right.

4109
03:04:00,807 --> 03:04:04,309
» [laughter]

4110
03:04:04,319 --> 03:04:07,750
» Either way,

4111
03:04:07,760 --> 03:04:18,710
» I think I think

4112
03:04:18,720 --> 03:04:34,790
Mr.

4113
03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:37,200
We never we were like not on the

4114
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:39,760
doorstep.

4115
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:41,920
>> That is a very common thing because you

4116
03:04:41,920 --> 03:04:47,279
get tax break if you if your property is sold or donated under threat of

4117
03:04:47,279 --> 03:04:50,160
domain. You get the a huge tax break.

4118
03:04:50,160 --> 03:04:52,080
And so we do that all the time. When we

4119
03:04:52,080 --> 03:04:54,160
purchase property, we send out a letter

4120
03:04:54,160 --> 03:04:56,960
that says, "Hey, this is taken under the

4121
03:04:56,960 --> 03:04:58,960
threat of imminent domain to help those

4122
03:04:58,960 --> 03:04:59,920
property owners."

4123
03:04:59,920 --> 03:05:02,640
>> That wasn't sales tax.

4124
03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:08,790
And a lot of those we haven't

4125
03:05:08,800 --> 03:05:30,790
So, it's something we could just

4126
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:44,870
Sorry.

4127
03:05:44,880 --> 03:05:49,040
» Is YouTube still running? I haven't

4128
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:52,640
>> says it is. Am

4129
03:05:52,640 --> 03:05:56,080
I in the Am I in the Empire or am I

4130
03:05:56,080 --> 03:05:56,640
good?

4131
03:05:56,640 --> 03:05:58,800
>> No, you're a good guy. That's a That's

4132
03:05:58,800 --> 03:05:59,760
the

4133
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:02,479
>> This is the rebels. The rebels need

4134
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:05,750
>> Yeah.

4135
03:06:05,760 --> 03:06:09,188
» I thought I died.

4136
03:06:09,188 --> 03:06:22,950
[laughter]

4137
03:06:22,960 --> 03:06:31,030
going down into

4138
03:06:31,040 --> 03:06:39,964
Almost there. Almost there.

4139
03:06:39,974 --> 03:06:47,110
[snorts]

4140
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:49,840
» Maybe that.

4141
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:51,040
>> Is that something you think I ought to

4142
03:06:51,040 --> 03:06:53,120
see?

4143
03:06:53,120 --> 03:06:55,040
>> That was nice.

4144
03:06:55,040 --> 03:06:57,359
>> Able to grab some dinner and still

4145
03:06:57,359 --> 03:07:21,349
listen.

4146
03:07:21,359 --> 03:07:22,160
star.

4147
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:23,600
>> Now we have to pass this ordinance.

4148
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:24,560
>> We are the death star.

4149
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:26,720
>> So violent because this was not

4150
03:07:26,720 --> 03:07:34,230
>> violent.

4151
03:07:34,240 --> 03:07:36,479
That makes us Darth Vader and all that.

4152
03:07:36,479 --> 03:07:40,230
>> Yeah, we're

4153
03:07:40,240 --> 03:07:46,309
» a large in stature guy that looks

4154
03:07:46,319 --> 03:07:48,160
» Let's get back

4155
03:07:48,160 --> 03:07:52,800
>> reconvene our meeting here. So we are

4156
03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:57,030
>> back to

4157
03:07:57,040 --> 03:07:57,680
» item 12.

4158
03:07:57,680 --> 03:07:59,359
>> Item number 11.

4159
03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:01,200
>> I do think we need to do 11 still.

4160
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:02,000
>> Oh yeah, that's right.

4161
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:02,479
>> Okay.

4162
03:08:02,479 --> 03:08:03,840
>> Which is just the final

4163
03:08:03,840 --> 03:08:05,600
>> the ordinance part. Yeah.

4164
03:08:05,600 --> 03:08:08,160
>> Okay. So this is just a followup to what

4165
03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:10,640
we were discussing in the RDA.

4166
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:14,295
>> The RDA within the CDA within the PTSA.

4167
03:08:14,295 --> 03:08:16,160
[laughter]

4168
03:08:16,160 --> 03:08:17,200
>> Go. Mayor go.

4169
03:08:17,200 --> 03:08:18,880
>> All right. Whatever order that is. All

4170
03:08:18,880 --> 03:08:22,880
right. Thank you. We'll let Mr. Cowey

4171
03:08:22,880 --> 03:08:23,200
on this.

4172
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:26,479
>> Mike mentioned earlier, so as part of

4173
03:08:26,479 --> 03:08:28,800
dissolving the RDA, those three that

4174
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:32,319
have expired, um those areas, uh you've

4175
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:35,520
adopted as the RDA the resolutions to

4176
03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:37,279
dissolve those. And now, as part of the

4177
03:08:37,279 --> 03:08:39,200
statute, it requires that the city has

4178
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:42,160
to then also pass an ordinance that

4179
03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:44,560
dissolves the expired RDAs. So, this

4180
03:08:44,560 --> 03:08:47,359
officially uh ends all of our contracts

4181
03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:49,760
between the city and the RDA for

4182
03:08:49,760 --> 03:08:52,880
services uh that it they were those

4183
03:08:52,880 --> 03:08:56,000
entities were using um on their behalf.

4184
03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:59,110
So,

4185
03:08:59,120 --> 03:09:01,359
any questions on that?

4186
03:09:01,359 --> 03:09:03,439
>> The next page is the ordinance.

4187
03:09:03,439 --> 03:09:06,040
>> I'm going to push the death star button.

4188
03:09:06,040 --> 03:09:08,469
[laughter]

4189
03:09:08,479 --> 03:09:12,479
» So, I move to approve ordinance 2026-6-

4190
03:09:12,479 --> 03:09:15,920
presented. I second.

4191
03:09:15,920 --> 03:09:17,600
>> All right. Motion by Councilman Stewart,

4192
03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:20,560
second by Councilman Jacobs. All in

4193
03:09:20,560 --> 03:09:21,359
favor?

4194
03:09:21,359 --> 03:09:22,640
>> I.

4195
03:09:22,640 --> 03:09:26,399
>> Okay. Eyes have it. That is passed. Item

4196
03:09:26,399 --> 03:09:28,640
number 12. This is a review and action.

4197
03:09:28,640 --> 03:09:31,040
I like to invite our parks and

4198
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:34,160
recreation director,

4199
03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:36,880
Mr. Heath Baitman.

4200
03:09:36,880 --> 03:09:39,359
He's going to present to us all of our

4201
03:09:39,359 --> 03:09:41,279
mini grant

4202
03:09:41,279 --> 03:09:43,760
applications. and we will decide the

4203
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:44,479
awards.

4204
03:09:44,479 --> 03:09:46,640
>> Yeah. What a great year. We had a lot of

4205
03:09:46,640 --> 03:09:49,920
people apply. I think except for the

4206
03:09:49,920 --> 03:09:52,319
last year, maybe have we done it for

4207
03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:55,040
two, you allowed more than the $15,000

4208
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:57,680
in award because we had people, but at

4209
03:09:57,680 --> 03:09:59,520
that time we were able to award

4210
03:09:59,520 --> 03:10:02,080
everybody everything at the 17 or

4211
03:10:02,080 --> 03:10:06,800
$18,000 where we were, but we had some new groups come out of the

4212
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:10,080
woodwork. Uh remember I I included this

4213
03:10:10,080 --> 03:10:12,240
in that box in your in your report. The

4214
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:13,920
qualifying organizations requesting

4215
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:16,399
funds must be a nonprofit with their

4216
03:10:16,399 --> 03:10:20,319
5013C status. They must uh have or

4217
03:10:20,319 --> 03:10:22,399
commit to have a significant presence in

4218
03:10:22,399 --> 03:10:24,479
Lynden and they must have performances,

4219
03:10:24,479 --> 03:10:26,479
events, and activities inside of Lynen

4220
03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:27,840
City for the benefit of Lind City

4221
03:10:27,840 --> 03:10:31,040
residents. So what I did, just so you

4222
03:10:31,040 --> 03:10:33,520
know, I took these

4223
03:10:33,520 --> 03:10:36,000
applications and I reviewed them. I

4224
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:38,240
think they all pretty much because of

4225
03:10:38,240 --> 03:10:39,920
their plan of what they'd like to do,

4226
03:10:39,920 --> 03:10:41,520
they fit that category of doing

4227
03:10:41,520 --> 03:10:44,720
something in Lynen for Lynen. Uh some of

4228
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:48,880
the asks were were quite big. Um and

4229
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:51,760
then we've got a situation like Lynen

4230
03:10:51,760 --> 03:10:54,960
Elementary who has been awarded year

4231
03:10:54,960 --> 03:10:56,319
after year after year after year. So

4232
03:10:56,319 --> 03:10:58,319
they have their arts program is is

4233
03:10:58,319 --> 03:11:01,920
really amazing. So, um, from those seven

4234
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:03,680
applications, are there any questions

4235
03:11:03,680 --> 03:11:07,439
about any of them that you might have?

4236
03:11:07,439 --> 03:11:09,760
So, when they request, for example,

4237
03:11:09,760 --> 03:11:12,640
Lyndon requested 8856

4238
03:11:12,640 --> 03:11:16,399
>> and they specified three specific areas.

4239
03:11:16,399 --> 03:11:18,960
Um, if we were to pass it at the

4240
03:11:18,960 --> 03:11:21,760
recommended amount, 5256, are they

4241
03:11:21,760 --> 03:11:24,399
required to put it in those three areas?

4242
03:11:24,399 --> 03:11:26,319
Are they required anywhere specific or

4243
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:27,840
we're just saying here you go?

4244
03:11:27,840 --> 03:11:29,200
>> No. do what you want.

4245
03:11:29,200 --> 03:11:31,520
>> They will be required to turn in their

4246
03:11:31,520 --> 03:11:34,880
after season summary report on those

4247
03:11:34,880 --> 03:11:37,600
events that you guys decided that y'all

4248
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:39,600
decided was was where they're they want

4249
03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:42,640
to focus this this donation to. So, and

4250
03:11:42,640 --> 03:11:47,120
I checked with those ones um except for

4251
03:11:47,120 --> 03:11:50,080
the Nashville lady. Uh she didn't call

4252
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:52,479
me back, but the I checked with the

4253
03:11:52,479 --> 03:11:54,080
others. What do you want most and what

4254
03:11:54,080 --> 03:11:55,600
would fit for you best? Like Lynon

4255
03:11:55,600 --> 03:12:02,560
Elementary is a good example. They would love to have a mic set but would much rather have the scripts.

4256
03:12:02,560 --> 03:12:04,720
So this their ask is for really we

4257
03:12:04,720 --> 03:12:06,399
decided that if I made a recommendation

4258
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:08,080
it would be for the kiln and for the

4259
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:10,640
scripts and not the mic set but I put in

4260
03:12:10,640 --> 03:12:12,800
there what they actually did request. So

4261
03:12:12,800 --> 03:12:13,600
you know

4262
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:16,080
>> one of the things too for council um

4263
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:17,920
Steve and I have reviewed these over the

4264
03:12:17,920 --> 03:12:20,160
years and in the application it says if

4265
03:12:20,160 --> 03:12:22,080
you are not awarded the full amount can

4266
03:12:22,080 --> 03:12:25,840
you still carry off um what you're

4267
03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:27,600
trying to do? And so some of them say if

4268
03:12:27,600 --> 03:12:30,080
I don't get the full amount, no, I don't

4269
03:12:30,080 --> 03:12:32,319
have additional means or funds to do

4270
03:12:32,319 --> 03:12:34,319
this. So that's something that

4271
03:12:34,319 --> 03:12:36,160
>> and all all those mayors, all all the

4272
03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:37,920
ones that we talked to this time agreed

4273
03:12:37,920 --> 03:12:39,359
that they would make it work with a

4274
03:12:39,359 --> 03:12:41,760
parter portion that we recommended. Six

4275
03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:43,840
and seven were both ones that looked

4276
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:46,800
that they significantly less than what

4277
03:12:46,800 --> 03:12:47,760
they were requesting

4278
03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:51,279
>> and five five requested 8,000 although

4279
03:12:51,279 --> 03:12:53,920
last year uh it was a little bit less

4280
03:12:53,920 --> 03:12:55,200
than that. But they're going to have to

4281
03:12:55,200 --> 03:12:56,720
come up with money now just for the

4282
03:12:56,720 --> 03:12:59,200
building rental because remember that

4283
03:12:59,200 --> 03:13:02,399
garden pipe band. It really was about

4284
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:04,160
the $6,000 level [clears throat] that

4285
03:13:04,160 --> 03:13:06,000
paid for all of their reservation fees

4286
03:13:06,000 --> 03:13:08,640
which all they do is I award them the

4287
03:13:08,640 --> 03:13:10,319
check and they pay it back to the city.

4288
03:13:10,319 --> 03:13:12,399
>> Yeah, that's

4289
03:13:12,399 --> 03:13:13,840
>> and it's been nice for them and they

4290
03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:16,960
have been great tenants and have done

4291
03:13:16,960 --> 03:13:20,080
some amazing things. So I I some of the

4292
03:13:20,080 --> 03:13:23,040
smaller grant requests um like the

4293
03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:25,200
United Angels Foundation, they do those

4294
03:13:25,200 --> 03:13:27,520
special needs classes in our building.

4295
03:13:27,520 --> 03:13:29,600
That's another one that building is a a

4296
03:13:29,600 --> 03:13:31,439
great portion of the amount that that

4297
03:13:31,439 --> 03:13:34,000
we're allowing them for the rental. Uh

4298
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:38,319
the Shantanet Lady Choir really uh would

4299
03:13:38,319 --> 03:13:40,319
really like to use the Vets Hall for

4300
03:13:40,319 --> 03:13:42,720
their opening and closing social, but

4301
03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:46,160
they sing in the spring

4302
03:13:46,160 --> 03:13:48,800
>> gardens And they they they make

4303
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:52,399
available their free concerts to anybody

4304
03:13:52,399 --> 03:13:54,080
at any time. And they've got a lot of

4305
03:13:54,080 --> 03:13:55,840
Lynden ladies that participate in that

4306
03:13:55,840 --> 03:13:58,160
large group as well. And I think one of

4307
03:13:58,160 --> 03:13:59,840
the things that's important to note is

4308
03:13:59,840 --> 03:14:01,840
um some of these like Heath is

4309
03:14:01,840 --> 03:14:04,479
mentioning, it's not really outofpocket

4310
03:14:04,479 --> 03:14:06,319
cash for the city. Sometimes these turn

4311
03:14:06,319 --> 03:14:09,120
into pretty significant partnerships in

4312
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:12,000
a way because they're providing

4313
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:15,200
activities or classes or different

4314
03:14:15,200 --> 03:14:17,279
things for people in the community to

4315
03:14:17,279 --> 03:14:19,439
enjoy. It's almost like an extension of

4316
03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:22,479
our recreation programs. Is that fair to

4317
03:14:22,479 --> 03:14:24,000
say? So I think it fits

4318
03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:26,399
>> the money is kind of a wash because it's

4319
03:14:26,399 --> 03:14:29,520
in kind for use of

4320
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:31,200
>> and often when the building is empty,

4321
03:14:31,200 --> 03:14:33,200
not necessarily on Thursday nights when

4322
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:35,600
the garden, but I get requests for

4323
03:14:35,600 --> 03:14:38,239
Thursday nights. Uh and it's they're

4324
03:14:38,239 --> 03:14:40,160
kind of in there, but we're not losing

4325
03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:41,760
any revenue because other times are

4326
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:44,960
available. If if maybe I could ask maybe

4327
03:14:44,960 --> 03:14:46,319
we could just look at number six,

4328
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:49,279
Nashville and the Rockies. um they want

4329
03:14:49,279 --> 03:14:52,560
to have a large concert in this area in

4330
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:57,359
this venue and uh I had a hard time uh

4331
03:14:57,359 --> 03:14:59,840
figuring with the other asks that we

4332
03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:02,319
would pay for travel uh you know and pay

4333
03:15:02,319 --> 03:15:06,399
for uh hotels for Nashville artists when

4334
03:15:06,399 --> 03:15:08,160
there's some pretty good talent around

4335
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:09,920
here and and I understand that they want

4336
03:15:09,920 --> 03:15:12,479
to make it uh big but that's that's why

4337
03:15:12,479 --> 03:15:14,640
that one was was cut down to just maybe

4338
03:15:14,640 --> 03:15:17,040
a venue rental for them if they wanted

4339
03:15:17,040 --> 03:15:17,359
Yeah.

4340
03:15:17,359 --> 03:15:18,640
>> Is that in Lynen?

4341
03:15:18,640 --> 03:15:20,640
>> They wanted to do it in Lynon.

4342
03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:22,080
>> What venue?

4343
03:15:22,080 --> 03:15:24,720
>> They had didn't specify really.

4344
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:26,160
>> Is there a way for us to make sure we

4345
03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:28,560
don't give them $2,000 and they go play

4346
03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:30,080
in Oram or

4347
03:15:30,080 --> 03:15:32,399
>> Yeah, that'll be specified that it has

4348
03:15:32,399 --> 03:15:34,479
to be here and then they're not eligible

4349
03:15:34,479 --> 03:15:35,840
again if they don't turn in their

4350
03:15:35,840 --> 03:15:37,120
year-end report.

4351
03:15:37,120 --> 03:15:37,600
>> Okay.

4352
03:15:37,600 --> 03:15:40,800
>> They aren't eligible for the next year.

4353
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:41,520
>> Sorry. Go ahead.

4354
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:42,399
>> No.

4355
03:15:42,399 --> 03:15:43,279
>> Are you finished on that?

4356
03:15:43,279 --> 03:15:44,560
>> I was just going to move on to number

4357
03:15:44,560 --> 03:15:45,040
seven.

4358
03:15:45,040 --> 03:15:46,640
>> That was what I wanted to ask. Go ahead.

4359
03:15:46,640 --> 03:15:47,279
Tell us about that.

4360
03:15:47,279 --> 03:15:50,239
>> The Unity Unity Gospel Choir uh

4361
03:15:50,239 --> 03:15:52,319
approached the mayor and I just recently

4362
03:15:52,319 --> 03:15:54,160
and just barely got their application in

4363
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:56,720
on time because they they'd heard about

4364
03:15:56,720 --> 03:15:58,560
this and I'm not so sure

4365
03:15:58,560 --> 03:15:59,920
>> I can kind of share.

4366
03:15:59,920 --> 03:16:01,680
>> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

4367
03:16:01,680 --> 03:16:04,640
>> Bonner, the the really well-known Bonner

4368
03:16:04,640 --> 03:16:07,439
family. So, Yahoo sang at one of our

4369
03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:10,000
Christmas events a couple years ago. And

4370
03:16:10,000 --> 03:16:11,760
you know, the Bonner family um

4371
03:16:11,760 --> 03:16:14,399
African-American family, super talented

4372
03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:16,239
musically. He and his brother are on

4373
03:16:16,239 --> 03:16:17,920
stage in once on [clears throat] this

4374
03:16:17,920 --> 03:16:19,600
island at the Hail or at the

4375
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:19,920
>> Yeah.

4376
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:22,000
>> roof. So they perform professionally.

4377
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:24,239
They do a lot of videos. They're pretty

4378
03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:26,560
high-profile. But Deborah is the mother

4379
03:16:26,560 --> 03:16:29,520
of the clan and she has an really

4380
03:16:29,520 --> 03:16:33,200
amazing program of gospel choir music.

4381
03:16:33,200 --> 03:16:35,680
It's it's not just religious, but it's

4382
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:37,760
just all uplifting music. So they've

4383
03:16:37,760 --> 03:16:39,920
been rehearsing in Trordia here in

4384
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:42,399
London. They've been like a corporate

4385
03:16:42,399 --> 03:16:44,239
sponsor just allowing them to use their

4386
03:16:44,239 --> 03:16:47,760
space and uh they recently had a

4387
03:16:47,760 --> 03:16:51,359
performance. Um it's a free choir for

4388
03:16:51,359 --> 03:16:54,000
people to join and they had a gayla

4389
03:16:54,000 --> 03:16:57,200
fundraiser they invited me to and the

4390
03:16:57,200 --> 03:17:00,560
stories of how they really do transform

4391
03:17:00,560 --> 03:17:03,840
lives. It's it's really quite remarkable

4392
03:17:03,840 --> 03:17:06,800
um people getting involved in this and

4393
03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:09,200
um they said we want to partner with

4394
03:17:09,200 --> 03:17:11,600
Lynen City. are already in Lynden. We

4395
03:17:11,600 --> 03:17:14,800
want to now start a children's

4396
03:17:14,800 --> 03:17:17,920
um choir initiative. This other one has

4397
03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:20,800
been adult. So they would want we want

4398
03:17:20,800 --> 03:17:23,120
they said that we want to be an arm of

4399
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:25,359
Lynen City Recreation

4400
03:17:25,359 --> 03:17:27,120
um where we provide this children's

4401
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:31,520
choir. Um and so again I think a lot of

4402
03:17:31,520 --> 03:17:35,200
the funding here is for use of space. So

4403
03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:38,080
they came and met with Heath and I. We

4404
03:17:38,080 --> 03:17:40,560
showed them the vet hall and they have

4405
03:17:40,560 --> 03:17:42,479
big plans like if it could start out

4406
03:17:42,479 --> 03:17:44,640
once a week. Kids could come to the

4407
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:46,479
choir and then they would have um

4408
03:17:46,479 --> 03:17:48,160
profession they have a professional

4409
03:17:48,160 --> 03:17:50,479
pianist, jazz pianist. He's pretty

4410
03:17:50,479 --> 03:17:53,680
amazing. He lives in Vegas. They fly him

4411
03:17:53,680 --> 03:17:57,680
up or he travels up every Thursday for

4412
03:17:57,680 --> 03:18:00,160
their things they're doing with the

4413
03:18:00,160 --> 03:18:03,040
adult groups. And so they would have him

4414
03:18:03,040 --> 03:18:05,520
also stick around to work with the

4415
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:08,560
youth. and he can take I mean he's just

4416
03:18:08,560 --> 03:18:09,920
incredible. And then they talked about

4417
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:11,920
they have other professional people who

4418
03:18:11,920 --> 03:18:14,640
had potentially they could start um

4419
03:18:14,640 --> 03:18:18,800
professional uh acting drama. They had a

4420
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:20,399
whole bunch of ideas of how it could

4421
03:18:20,399 --> 03:18:22,640
potentially expand. So

4422
03:18:22,640 --> 03:18:24,960
>> this uh mayor, as I recall going over

4423
03:18:24,960 --> 03:18:26,880
their grant, this grant request is not

4424
03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:29,279
for that children's choir. It's for

4425
03:18:29,279 --> 03:18:31,760
their choir. And so because we were so

4426
03:18:31,760 --> 03:18:34,319
jammed with time, they didn't know what

4427
03:18:34,319 --> 03:18:36,160
they should ask for and it wasn't put

4428
03:18:36,160 --> 03:18:38,560
together yet. So that might need to be

4429
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:41,279
clarified if because they want to start

4430
03:18:41,279 --> 03:18:43,279
the children's choir as a partnership.

4431
03:18:43,279 --> 03:18:45,040
But this request was for their regular

4432
03:18:45,040 --> 03:18:45,840
choir.

4433
03:18:45,840 --> 03:18:46,239
>> Okay.

4434
03:18:46,239 --> 03:18:49,040
>> To fly their their people in and and

4435
03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:51,760
hire their professional.

4436
03:18:51,760 --> 03:18:54,000
>> But I think the goal was that they would

4437
03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:56,000
do the adult and children's in

4438
03:18:56,000 --> 03:18:58,160
conjunction.

4439
03:18:58,160 --> 03:19:00,800
they've pretty much announced

4440
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:02,479
publicly

4441
03:19:02,479 --> 03:19:05,200
starting the youth

4442
03:19:05,200 --> 03:19:08,880
um version of of what their initiative

4443
03:19:08,880 --> 03:19:10,000
their mission.

4444
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:11,520
>> Yeah. So, as the grant was written,

4445
03:19:11,520 --> 03:19:13,520
we'll have to split hairs if we want to

4446
03:19:13,520 --> 03:19:14,960
on that because they just wanted it for

4447
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:17,040
their regular choir, not the children's

4448
03:19:17,040 --> 03:19:19,439
choir. But, and they're pretty specific.

4449
03:19:19,439 --> 03:19:20,960
You can look, you can prove that if you

4450
03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:23,840
want and see what you think.

4451
03:19:23,840 --> 03:19:27,840
Uh so that fits pretty well. So what I

4452
03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:29,760
did at the end, you can see that I took

4453
03:19:29,760 --> 03:19:31,920
that those tables and just kind of

4454
03:19:31,920 --> 03:19:34,479
looked at it a couple of different ways.

4455
03:19:34,479 --> 03:19:38,000
Uh way number one is if we go with at

4456
03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:39,840
all organizers benefit, all

4457
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:42,000
organizations benefit a little and

4458
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:44,560
everybody gets a chunk of the pie. uh

4459
03:19:44,560 --> 03:19:46,880
you have the ability of course to to

4460
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:51,200
decide that those that are for the best

4461
03:19:51,200 --> 03:19:52,800
interests of the Lynon to fund

4462
03:19:52,800 --> 03:19:54,720
completely which would be kind of the

4463
03:19:54,720 --> 03:19:57,680
table number two uh and and that's not

4464
03:19:57,680 --> 03:19:59,359
the order that they were received that

4465
03:19:59,359 --> 03:20:02,800
was the order in which I could foresee

4466
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:06,080
that being a immediate benefit to the

4467
03:20:06,080 --> 03:20:08,000
schools and to the art programs. This is

4468
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:09,520
the first time in a long time Rocky

4469
03:20:09,520 --> 03:20:11,200
Mountain El Elementary Elementary has

4470
03:20:11,200 --> 03:20:14,080
applied and they want to do a show and

4471
03:20:14,080 --> 03:20:18,000
they wanted mic packs and a and a script

4472
03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:22,720
set as well. Uh or u you could do it. I

4473
03:20:22,720 --> 03:20:26,000
just I just figured that we could do it

4474
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:28,479
those couple ways or we can award

4475
03:20:28,479 --> 03:20:29,680
whatever we want. But there was a

4476
03:20:29,680 --> 03:20:34,560
$38,000 $686 ask this year.

4477
03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:36,560
So, whatever you'd like to do there, if

4478
03:20:36,560 --> 03:20:38,239
there's questions,

4479
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:40,239
>> the total amount available,

4480
03:20:40,239 --> 03:20:43,359
>> it's 15,000 budgeted. So, they're over

4481
03:20:43,359 --> 03:20:46,160
>> So, all of this is over budget. Okay.

4482
03:20:46,160 --> 03:20:48,160
>> But I took that because of the last two

4483
03:20:48,160 --> 03:20:50,239
years in in option number one. I took

4484
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:51,920
that and got it close to what you've

4485
03:20:51,920 --> 03:20:54,720
approved in the last year or two, which

4486
03:20:54,720 --> 03:20:57,120
is 18. No, that's going to be 19. I

4487
03:20:57,120 --> 03:21:00,560
think it was 18,000 last year that you

4488
03:21:00,560 --> 03:21:02,319
approved and everybody got what they

4489
03:21:02,319 --> 03:21:03,120
wanted,

4490
03:21:03,120 --> 03:21:04,880
>> right? Um,

4491
03:21:04,880 --> 03:21:07,120
>> with the [clears throat]

4492
03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:10,960
band, the pipe band, they've itemized

4493
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:15,840
the space rental, but with the unity

4494
03:21:15,840 --> 03:21:20,399
gospel choir and the angels, it's just

4495
03:21:20,399 --> 03:21:23,830
in kind.

4496
03:21:23,840 --> 03:21:26,560
» Um, so I I don't know if it makes sense

4497
03:21:26,560 --> 03:21:31,680
to take off the 7,000 ask or if it makes

4498
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:33,600
sense to add in

4499
03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:35,760
the actual amount they would need to

4500
03:21:35,760 --> 03:21:37,520
rent our facilities. I know it's just

4501
03:21:37,520 --> 03:21:39,279
changing purses,

4502
03:21:39,279 --> 03:21:39,840
>> right?

4503
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:43,120
>> But that so anyway,

4504
03:21:43,120 --> 03:21:45,840
>> I'm fine with either of those solutions

4505
03:21:45,840 --> 03:21:47,840
um

4506
03:21:47,840 --> 03:21:50,479
because I'm guessing the band the pipe

4507
03:21:50,479 --> 03:21:53,680
band if that if we told them we'll we'll

4508
03:21:53,680 --> 03:21:54,720
just

4509
03:21:54,720 --> 03:21:55,439
>> anyway

4510
03:21:55,439 --> 03:21:57,520
>> make you a partner rather than exchange.

4511
03:21:57,520 --> 03:21:58,239
>> Yeah. Yeah.

4512
03:21:58,239 --> 03:21:59,200
>> Similar to the other

4513
03:21:59,200 --> 03:22:01,680
>> it looks it looks easy. It looks good

4514
03:22:01,680 --> 03:22:03,359
this way on on paper when I have them

4515
03:22:03,359 --> 03:22:04,880
apply cuz then we know exactly.

4516
03:22:04,880 --> 03:22:06,479
>> But is it determined that they are going

4517
03:22:06,479 --> 03:22:08,239
to use our I don't know it's determined

4518
03:22:08,239 --> 03:22:09,520
that they're going to use our space

4519
03:22:09,520 --> 03:22:10,319
though.

4520
03:22:10,319 --> 03:22:11,359
>> The pipe band does.

4521
03:22:11,359 --> 03:22:13,439
>> The pipe band is but the other two

4522
03:22:13,439 --> 03:22:14,160
aren't.

4523
03:22:14,160 --> 03:22:17,040
>> Yeah, when it says in kind

4524
03:22:17,040 --> 03:22:18,880
>> is that is that the the choir

4525
03:22:18,880 --> 03:22:20,880
>> space provided in kind?

4526
03:22:20,880 --> 03:22:21,279
>> This this

4527
03:22:21,279 --> 03:22:22,479
>> Wait, that's a good point. Maybe we're

4528
03:22:22,479 --> 03:22:25,760
not the ones who are the inind.

4529
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:27,840
>> Yeah, like on seven space provided in

4530
03:22:27,840 --> 03:22:29,120
kind. What what does that mean

4531
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:31,520
>> for the unity choir? They want to they

4532
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:34,319
want to use our space. But I I I tell

4533
03:22:34,319 --> 03:22:35,439
you, [clears throat] I don't know. This

4534
03:22:35,439 --> 03:22:36,960
was like within a week before the

4535
03:22:36,960 --> 03:22:38,800
deadline that we made our first contact.

4536
03:22:38,800 --> 03:22:40,560
So, I think they just jammed something

4537
03:22:40,560 --> 03:22:42,880
together to get in the conversation. I

4538
03:22:42,880 --> 03:22:44,160
don't even I'm not even sure they

4539
03:22:44,160 --> 03:22:46,960
realize what it costs to rent a full

4540
03:22:46,960 --> 03:22:48,960
rental. So, that in kind, they just want

4541
03:22:48,960 --> 03:22:51,439
to take the portion that they didn't

4542
03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:54,160
specify and they really didn't do a very

4543
03:22:54,160 --> 03:22:55,680
good job specifying.

4544
03:22:55,680 --> 03:22:56,640
>> Yeah.

4545
03:22:56,640 --> 03:22:59,760
um that they would just make it work at

4546
03:22:59,760 --> 03:23:02,399
their ask. Their biggest desire is to

4547
03:23:02,399 --> 03:23:05,439
bring in this jazz musician and anybody

4548
03:23:05,439 --> 03:23:07,840
else they contract and hire to bring in

4549
03:23:07,840 --> 03:23:10,960
to help this help the choir and the kids

4550
03:23:10,960 --> 03:23:11,920
choir.

4551
03:23:11,920 --> 03:23:14,000
>> The choir would be weekly. This

4552
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:15,840
Nashville thing is kind of a one-off

4553
03:23:15,840 --> 03:23:16,800
event.

4554
03:23:16,800 --> 03:23:19,680
>> Deborah asked for it. She'd take it

4555
03:23:19,680 --> 03:23:20,960
daily. I mean, she was

4556
03:23:20,960 --> 03:23:22,640
>> Deborah said she would expand daily if

4557
03:23:22,640 --> 03:23:23,040
she could

4558
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:25,600
>> if she could if she could do it. Um,

4559
03:23:25,600 --> 03:23:27,840
>> that's what I'm just I mean in my mind

4560
03:23:27,840 --> 03:23:30,080
kind of the oneoff event is a less

4561
03:23:30,080 --> 03:23:31,040
impactful I

4562
03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:31,439
>> agree

4563
03:23:31,439 --> 03:23:35,840
>> than a program that is ongoing

4564
03:23:35,840 --> 03:23:38,160
>> and local.

4565
03:23:38,160 --> 03:23:40,399
>> Yeah, the Nashville one didn't really

4566
03:23:40,399 --> 03:23:42,560
speak to me for those reasons.

4567
03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:43,279
>> Yeah, I would.

4568
03:23:43,279 --> 03:23:46,000
>> And our our concert series

4569
03:23:46,000 --> 03:23:54,710
>> also provides that

4570
03:23:54,720 --> 03:23:57,120
If you take out Nashville and go with

4571
03:23:57,120 --> 03:23:59,279
the recommendation

4572
03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:00,479
amounts [clears throat] that you put,

4573
03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:02,880
it's 16921.

4574
03:24:02,880 --> 03:24:08,000
>> And is that with the 7,000 bag pipe?

4575
03:24:08,000 --> 03:24:10,239
>> Not not really. I think just looking at

4576
03:24:10,239 --> 03:24:11,920
the numbers even though it's in the same

4577
03:24:11,920 --> 03:24:12,319
purse.

4578
03:24:12,319 --> 03:24:15,279
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because then it's even

4579
03:24:15,279 --> 03:24:18,080
less in that way. So, the bag of pipers

4580
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:20,080
perform at our memorial program and

4581
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:22,319
they're in our parade. [clears throat]

4582
03:24:22,319 --> 03:24:24,479
Um,

4583
03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:26,560
and if they don't get the full eight,

4584
03:24:26,560 --> 03:24:31,200
they have to now somehow pay a lease.

4585
03:24:31,200 --> 03:24:33,439
>> Yeah, I did their math. Uh, I did their

4586
03:24:33,439 --> 03:24:34,720
math and I'm sorry I didn't write it

4587
03:24:34,720 --> 03:24:37,040
down, but I think for all the building

4588
03:24:37,040 --> 03:24:39,120
dates they wanted, it would just be over

4589
03:24:39,120 --> 03:24:41,200
6,000. I think that's what they had last

4590
03:24:41,200 --> 03:24:43,600
year. So I called them and talked to

4591
03:24:43,600 --> 03:24:45,200
Clary who's who turned in the

4592
03:24:45,200 --> 03:24:47,760
application and she said, "Boy, this is

4593
03:24:47,760 --> 03:24:49,200
so nice. We'll do whatever we have to

4594
03:24:49,200 --> 03:24:50,640
do. You know, if it's a little bit less,

4595
03:24:50,640 --> 03:24:52,720
then then we'll make it work." I don't

4596
03:24:52,720 --> 03:24:54,479
know if they offer dues. I do know that

4597
03:24:54,479 --> 03:24:58,000
they offer lessons to Lynon residents at

4598
03:24:58,000 --> 03:25:01,359
no cost and that's also not bag pipes,

4599
03:25:01,359 --> 03:25:03,200
that's drums. They do a big drumming

4600
03:25:03,200 --> 03:25:06,960
section. So I I like what they offer.

4601
03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:08,720
>> Yeah, we have a good track record with

4602
03:25:08,720 --> 03:25:13,030
them.

4603
03:25:13,040 --> 03:25:15,760
I would be inclined. Yeah, I think five

4604
03:25:15,760 --> 03:25:18,560
might be too low. I think it might be

4605
03:25:18,560 --> 03:25:20,640
nice to continue to at least give them a

4606
03:25:20,640 --> 03:25:23,840
wash on their cost to use the space and

4607
03:25:23,840 --> 03:25:26,160
open it up for everyone to attend for

4608
03:25:26,160 --> 03:25:29,861
free. Continue that.

4609
03:25:29,861 --> 03:25:32,790
[snorts]

4610
03:25:32,800 --> 03:25:39,030
» I better get some notes up here.

4611
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:41,279
Yeah, I I love this program. I'm very

4612
03:25:41,279 --> 03:25:42,720
comfortable with your recommendations

4613
03:25:42,720 --> 03:25:45,920
and and you administering this program.

4614
03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:48,880
You know, I'll bring up that we're able

4615
03:25:48,880 --> 03:25:50,960
to do this cool program because of the

4616
03:25:50,960 --> 03:25:53,439
park tax. And I don't think there's

4617
03:25:53,439 --> 03:25:57,279
anyone who markets the park tax better

4618
03:25:57,279 --> 03:25:59,359
than Lynen Elementary.

4619
03:25:59,359 --> 03:26:01,359
>> I'm serious. I mean, there are signs

4620
03:26:01,359 --> 03:26:03,600
everywhere. They announce it over the

4621
03:26:03,600 --> 03:26:05,680
microphones. Hey, your children are

4622
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:07,600
about to perform and it's because of the

4623
03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:09,520
park tax that we have these instruments

4624
03:26:09,520 --> 03:26:12,800
and and so I'm biased towards Lyndon

4625
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:14,239
Elementary, but I appreciate the

4626
03:26:14,239 --> 03:26:16,560
partnership that they're,

4627
03:26:16,560 --> 03:26:21,120
you know, and so I I'm comfortable. I'm

4628
03:26:21,120 --> 03:26:23,359
>> Well, Lynon Elementary, I mean, the

4629
03:26:23,359 --> 03:26:26,399
request is 8856.

4630
03:26:26,399 --> 03:26:30,239
Um, so did they indicate?

4631
03:26:30,239 --> 03:26:31,840
>> Yeah, he just took out the microphone

4632
03:26:31,840 --> 03:26:33,200
packs and sound equipment.

4633
03:26:33,200 --> 03:26:36,239
>> Okay. So the pottery kiln is more of a

4634
03:26:36,239 --> 03:26:37,359
priority to them.

4635
03:26:37,359 --> 03:26:38,399
>> It is at this point.

4636
03:26:38,399 --> 03:26:39,600
>> Yeah.

4637
03:26:39,600 --> 03:26:41,359
>> And the script because they can rent

4638
03:26:41,359 --> 03:26:43,439
mics. Although

4639
03:26:43,439 --> 03:26:45,439
>> what she what she'd like to do is start

4640
03:26:45,439 --> 03:26:48,640
that that whole another section of arts

4641
03:26:48,640 --> 03:26:50,880
over there. And like you were saying,

4642
03:26:50,880 --> 03:26:52,800
Jake, they they always ask me for

4643
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:54,640
stickers. Every one of those ukuleles

4644
03:26:54,640 --> 03:26:56,479
has a sticker on it that says park tax.

4645
03:26:56,479 --> 03:26:58,319
And the banners, they ask me for banners

4646
03:26:58,319 --> 03:27:01,279
every year. So um yeah, they said we can

4647
03:27:01,279 --> 03:27:02,880
do without the mics. We'd love to have

4648
03:27:02,880 --> 03:27:05,040
them. We know it's a big ask, but we'd

4649
03:27:05,040 --> 03:27:07,359
really like to do a musical and and get

4650
03:27:07,359 --> 03:27:09,359
a and they've got district approval for

4651
03:27:09,359 --> 03:27:10,720
electrical where they're going to put

4652
03:27:10,720 --> 03:27:14,080
the kiln and things like that. At least

4653
03:27:14,080 --> 03:27:16,319
for this year.

4654
03:27:16,319 --> 03:27:18,160
>> Well, and I I like that you're taking a

4655
03:27:18,160 --> 03:27:19,600
good look at this. When people hear free

4656
03:27:19,600 --> 03:27:22,160
money, they Well, I'll ask for 8,000.

4657
03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:23,920
You know what I mean? And and so I think

4658
03:27:23,920 --> 03:27:25,760
you're handling this the right way.

4659
03:27:25,760 --> 03:27:28,000
However you want to split it, I'm I'm

4660
03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:30,160
comfortable where anyone wants to end up

4661
03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:32,800
here. [laughter]

4662
03:27:32,800 --> 03:27:36,000
budgeted 15,000 and this is all the way

4663
03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:39,120
down to 18. Does that [clears throat]

4664
03:27:39,120 --> 03:27:40,720
>> I think I'm comfortable with that. I I

4665
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:42,319
you look at the park tax and what it's

4666
03:27:42,319 --> 03:27:45,279
produced in years past. We've never once

4667
03:27:45,279 --> 03:27:48,399
under estimated what it will produce. It

4668
03:27:48,399 --> 03:27:51,040
always produces more um than our

4669
03:27:51,040 --> 03:27:54,319
projections uh 12 years running. And so

4670
03:27:54,319 --> 03:27:56,239
I'm

4671
03:27:56,239 --> 03:27:57,920
confident we will do that again this

4672
03:27:57,920 --> 03:28:00,640
year. And there'll be an additional

4673
03:28:00,640 --> 03:28:05,840
3,000 to use specifically to parks and wreck

4674
03:28:05,840 --> 03:28:08,399
and and I just think this is such a

4675
03:28:08,399 --> 03:28:10,000
great program. I think of all the other

4676
03:28:10,000 --> 03:28:13,279
things we could use it on and and this

4677
03:28:13,279 --> 03:28:15,359
unique partnership with community

4678
03:28:15,359 --> 03:28:17,600
members is

4679
03:28:17,600 --> 03:28:20,399
good as anything.

4680
03:28:20,399 --> 03:28:22,880
>> And I appreciated the comments mayor you

4681
03:28:22,880 --> 03:28:24,560
made in our meeting with the Tempanoga

4682
03:28:24,560 --> 03:28:26,800
School District to bring this up and

4683
03:28:26,800 --> 03:28:28,319
make sure that they understood that I

4684
03:28:28,319 --> 03:28:29,840
don't think they were aware that this

4685
03:28:29,840 --> 03:28:37,750
was occurring. Agreed.

4686
03:28:37,760 --> 03:28:39,760
» Were you suggesting option one, Jake?

4687
03:28:39,760 --> 03:28:41,600
>> Yeah, I'm comfortable with option one. I

4688
03:28:41,600 --> 03:28:43,840
don't want to step on anyone's toes.

4689
03:28:43,840 --> 03:28:46,160
>> One is giving the Nashville Rockies

4690
03:28:46,160 --> 03:28:48,319
2000.

4691
03:28:48,319 --> 03:28:50,880
I I'm a little more skeptical about

4692
03:28:50,880 --> 03:28:53,279
>> I I would Yeah, I'd approve that with

4693
03:28:53,279 --> 03:28:55,439
the deletion of the Nashville

4694
03:28:55,439 --> 03:28:57,600
>> and I would pro if

4695
03:28:57,600 --> 03:28:59,279
>> getting that 2,000 toward Lynon

4696
03:28:59,279 --> 03:29:01,040
Elementary.

4697
03:29:01,040 --> 03:29:03,680
>> What if we split it with Valley Pipe

4698
03:29:03,680 --> 03:29:05,680
Band needs a little bit more to cover

4699
03:29:05,680 --> 03:29:06,399
their rental?

4700
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:17,910
>> I forgot that that was

4701
03:29:17,920 --> 03:29:20,479
So, Garden Valley said they're to just

4702
03:29:20,479 --> 03:29:23,120
have a wash on the space usage. They

4703
03:29:23,120 --> 03:29:24,479
need about six.

4704
03:29:24,479 --> 03:29:29,750
>> I think it's pretty close to that. Yeah.

4705
03:29:29,760 --> 03:29:30,880
Of course, they would adjust their

4706
03:29:30,880 --> 03:29:32,399
practices to whatever they get. You

4707
03:29:32,399 --> 03:29:34,399
know, they just cut it off in summer

4708
03:29:34,399 --> 03:29:38,560
early or a little bit later. They're they're great to work with. They

4709
03:29:38,560 --> 03:29:39,680
take care of the building. They're just

4710
03:29:39,680 --> 03:29:40,720
a good

4711
03:29:40,720 --> 03:29:43,279
>> partner.

4712
03:29:43,279 --> 03:29:45,359
What's the What's the balance on the

4713
03:29:45,359 --> 03:29:48,000
park tax fund?

4714
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:50,000
>> So, we have a I mean, you have a

4715
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:55,120
significant fund balance, but we're earmarking it for things

4716
03:29:55,120 --> 03:29:56,880
potentially in the future. And so,

4717
03:29:56,880 --> 03:29:58,720
checking with Kristen, she felt like in

4718
03:29:58,720 --> 03:30:02,640
that 19,000 range is is totally doable.

4719
03:30:02,640 --> 03:30:05,600
Um I this would dramatically change

4720
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:07,120
things, but you have the ability. I

4721
03:30:07,120 --> 03:30:09,279
mean, you could make this a $100,000. I

4722
03:30:09,279 --> 03:30:12,880
mean, and but that's going to change how

4723
03:30:12,880 --> 03:30:14,319
we're paying for some other things in

4724
03:30:14,319 --> 03:30:17,200
the city. And so, but the 19 range, she

4725
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:19,279
was totally comfortable going more than

4726
03:30:19,279 --> 03:30:21,840
the 15 that's budgeted

4727
03:30:21,840 --> 03:30:25,200
>> because if we did the full ask of

4728
03:30:25,200 --> 03:30:29,520
everyone except well the fir the full

4729
03:30:29,520 --> 03:30:34,080
ask of our previous applicants um and

4730
03:30:34,080 --> 03:30:37,520
then didn't charge the pipe and their

4731
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:41,279
rent. So they only needed $1,000

4732
03:30:41,279 --> 03:30:44,800
and then gave 2,200 to the gospel choir

4733
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:47,680
to pay for the professional and not

4734
03:30:47,680 --> 03:30:49,359
include Nashville Rockies. That would

4735
03:30:49,359 --> 03:30:52,080
put us at $18,000.

4736
03:30:52,080 --> 03:30:53,680
>> And that begs the question, I know we

4737
03:30:53,680 --> 03:30:57,520
had the policy of, hey, you got to pay a

4738
03:30:57,520 --> 03:30:59,200
rental fee because we had some groups

4739
03:30:59,200 --> 03:31:00,560
come and say, oh, we're we're going to

4740
03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:01,920
do all this for the city. And then

4741
03:31:01,920 --> 03:31:03,600
sometimes it didn't really materialize.

4742
03:31:03,600 --> 03:31:04,800
So we said, "Okay, we need to have a

4743
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:07,200
policy. There's a room rental

4744
03:31:07,200 --> 03:31:08,239
>> and it's a washroom.

4745
03:31:08,239 --> 03:31:10,160
>> Sweetheart deals we got rid of."

4746
03:31:10,160 --> 03:31:12,720
>> But but at the same time, the discussion

4747
03:31:12,720 --> 03:31:14,720
you and I had with Unity Gospel Choir,

4748
03:31:14,720 --> 03:31:16,720
and you mentioned, Heath, that maybe

4749
03:31:16,720 --> 03:31:20,640
it's time with the Garden Valley pipe

4750
03:31:20,640 --> 03:31:23,040
band, they've proven their return on

4751
03:31:23,040 --> 03:31:24,479
investment, their value in the

4752
03:31:24,479 --> 03:31:27,760
community, and we do just pull them in

4753
03:31:27,760 --> 03:31:30,160
and say this is an extension almost of

4754
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:33,120
parks and wreck in a way. I I mean is

4755
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:34,000
that

4756
03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:36,000
>> it's kind of interesting. We just don't

4757
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:37,600
charge them a rental. I don't I just

4758
03:31:37,600 --> 03:31:39,359
don't think we can be

4759
03:31:39,359 --> 03:31:41,359
>> subjective. It's really hard for us to

4760
03:31:41,359 --> 03:31:44,000
do that though without a contract or

4761
03:31:44,000 --> 03:31:45,359
something that you guys are approving

4762
03:31:45,359 --> 03:31:46,800
for us to just say we're going to wave

4763
03:31:46,800 --> 03:31:48,640
this group's fee but not that group's

4764
03:31:48,640 --> 03:31:49,200
fee

4765
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:50,960
>> because then the other two we need well

4766
03:31:50,960 --> 03:31:52,319
they would have to come up with money to

4767
03:31:52,319 --> 03:31:55,600
rent and maybe they can

4768
03:31:55,600 --> 03:31:57,680
>> but there's just two applicants that

4769
03:31:57,680 --> 03:32:00,000
have seemed to suggest that part of

4770
03:32:00,000 --> 03:32:02,319
their grant would be an inind donation

4771
03:32:02,319 --> 03:32:04,720
of building space.

4772
03:32:04,720 --> 03:32:07,279
>> So we would just need to tell them they

4773
03:32:07,279 --> 03:32:12,469
have to price that out.

4774
03:32:12,479 --> 03:32:13,120
And I think

4775
03:32:13,120 --> 03:32:16,720
>> the Shantanets are they're $1,500 if

4776
03:32:16,720 --> 03:32:19,600
that was the Veterans Hall.

4777
03:32:19,600 --> 03:32:21,359
>> Their their actual cost for the Veterans

4778
03:32:21,359 --> 03:32:23,120
Hall is the recommendation that I know.

4779
03:32:23,120 --> 03:32:24,960
>> Okay. So then we only have one that's

4780
03:32:24,960 --> 03:32:25,439
>> Yeah.

4781
03:32:25,439 --> 03:32:27,359
>> But I think what the Unity Gospel Choir

4782
03:32:27,359 --> 03:32:28,000
was saying is

4783
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:29,120
>> United Angels as well.

4784
03:32:29,120 --> 03:32:32,239
>> They they would like to be just an arm

4785
03:32:32,239 --> 03:32:34,720
of parks and wreck is goal

4786
03:32:34,720 --> 03:32:36,160
>> or an arts council,

4787
03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:38,236
>> right? I mean I I don't know how well

4788
03:32:38,236 --> 03:32:39,520
[clears throat] that fits just in our

4789
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:41,040
other programs. We

4790
03:32:41,040 --> 03:32:43,359
>> you know the football flag or not flag

4791
03:32:43,359 --> 03:32:45,200
football tackle football is an extension

4792
03:32:45,200 --> 03:32:47,439
of us but we do nothing with that but

4793
03:32:47,439 --> 03:32:49,040
give them ground

4794
03:32:49,040 --> 03:32:50,560
>> because the kids that they play so we

4795
03:32:50,560 --> 03:32:54,239
don't take their funds or do their any

4796
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:56,640
fundraising for them. It's just that

4797
03:32:56,640 --> 03:32:58,399
that's a part of that we don't offer

4798
03:32:58,399 --> 03:33:00,479
that fits our Lynon kids. So they we

4799
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:01,439
have a partnership with them

4800
03:33:01,439 --> 03:33:03,279
>> and it's advertised as a Lynen parks and

4801
03:33:03,279 --> 03:33:04,239
wreck

4802
03:33:04,239 --> 03:33:06,560
>> but that's about it on those programs.

4803
03:33:06,560 --> 03:33:09,760
So if we want the unity choir to come in

4804
03:33:09,760 --> 03:33:12,160
you know do we change that to the Lynen

4805
03:33:12,160 --> 03:33:15,040
Unity. How does Deborah feel about that?

4806
03:33:15,040 --> 03:33:18,239
>> I mean she she'll lose some aminity or

4807
03:33:18,239 --> 03:33:20,239
not aminity that's the wrong word some

4808
03:33:20,239 --> 03:33:22,239
recognition on that and some

4809
03:33:22,239 --> 03:33:25,200
independence to be honest with you

4810
03:33:25,200 --> 03:33:26,800
>> because she'll come under our umbrella

4811
03:33:26,800 --> 03:33:29,040
and we'll do as we think we need to do.

4812
03:33:29,040 --> 03:33:32,319
I think her I mean she's wanting this to

4813
03:33:32,319 --> 03:33:34,880
be duplicated in other mark cities

4814
03:33:34,880 --> 03:33:37,040
potentially further away from London

4815
03:33:37,040 --> 03:33:38,880
than just next door. But,

4816
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:40,319
>> you know, mayor, there was another

4817
03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:42,160
thought, too. A couple of times De

4818
03:33:42,160 --> 03:33:44,560
Deborah said on the phone or the other

4819
03:33:44,560 --> 03:33:46,880
Gholly anyway, she said,

4820
03:33:46,880 --> 03:33:49,200
>> "This fits so well with communities that

4821
03:33:49,200 --> 03:33:51,359
care because the children's choir is

4822
03:33:51,359 --> 03:33:55,920
made to to stop sadness and depression

4823
03:33:55,920 --> 03:33:58,800
and and they they reviewed our stuff we

4824
03:33:58,800 --> 03:34:00,319
have online." She says, "Wow, this fits

4825
03:34:00,319 --> 03:34:02,399
really good." I have not checked with

4826
03:34:02,399 --> 03:34:05,040
Jamie to see if she could put a program

4827
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:07,840
like this in her grant and extend the

4828
03:34:07,840 --> 03:34:09,920
reach of non-smoking and the non-smoking

4829
03:34:09,920 --> 03:34:11,680
grant and that might be able to fund a

4830
03:34:11,680 --> 03:34:14,720
program in a different way. Uh it is

4831
03:34:14,720 --> 03:34:17,840
certainly park tax eligible with park

4832
03:34:17,840 --> 03:34:21,920
tax money. Um but I and I think they

4833
03:34:21,920 --> 03:34:23,520
would be just excited to have a good

4834
03:34:23,520 --> 03:34:25,520
place to practice.

4835
03:34:25,520 --> 03:34:29,279
Um, but the kids choir becoming a Lynen

4836
03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:30,880
City kids choir, that's what it would

4837
03:34:30,880 --> 03:34:33,439
amount to.

4838
03:34:33,439 --> 03:34:37,120
>> Just as an FYI, um, so two years ago you

4839
03:34:37,120 --> 03:34:39,120
approved 15,000

4840
03:34:39,120 --> 03:34:41,760
a year, sorry, three years ago, 15,000.

4841
03:34:41,760 --> 03:34:45,040
A year ago, two, sorry, three years,

4842
03:34:45,040 --> 03:34:48,399
15,000. Two years, 6,000. This last

4843
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:51,760
year, you're at 194. And this year, you

4844
03:34:51,760 --> 03:35:02,150
approved 15.

4845
03:35:02,160 --> 03:35:03,600
All right, council. Let's hammer this

4846
03:35:03,600 --> 03:35:05,439
out and get going. What What are you

4847
03:35:05,439 --> 03:35:08,080
thinking here? We're looking at option

4848
03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:12,479
one, but making a couple tweaks. Is that

4849
03:35:12,479 --> 03:35:14,880
what we're thinking here? Okay. So, are

4850
03:35:14,880 --> 03:35:17,040
we all unanimous that we're not

4851
03:35:17,040 --> 03:35:18,960
particularly interested in the Nashville

4852
03:35:18,960 --> 03:35:19,760
and the Rockies?

4853
03:35:19,760 --> 03:35:20,479
>> Correct. Yes.

4854
03:35:20,479 --> 03:35:23,299
>> Okay. Strike [clears throat] that.

4855
03:35:23,299 --> 03:35:23,520
>> [snorts]

4856
03:35:23,520 --> 03:35:25,439
>> Um

4857
03:35:25,439 --> 03:35:29,040
and then the uh garden val so we're

4858
03:35:29,040 --> 03:35:31,920
saying take that two. So how are we

4859
03:35:31,920 --> 03:35:34,160
right now that total for recommendation

4860
03:35:34,160 --> 03:35:37,840
one option one is 18,921.

4861
03:35:37,840 --> 03:35:40,319
Is that a budget amount you feel good

4862
03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:43,040
about appropriating this time or more or

4863
03:35:43,040 --> 03:35:45,359
less or is that something you're happy

4864
03:35:45,359 --> 03:35:45,680
with?

4865
03:35:45,680 --> 03:35:49,200
>> That's right. I'm good. a couple nods

4866
03:35:49,200 --> 03:35:50,160
>> and I could do

4867
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:52,239
>> and maybe the 2000 just put directly to

4868
03:35:52,239 --> 03:35:54,720
the pipe band because Lyndon Elementary

4869
03:35:54,720 --> 03:35:56,319
has already said they'd, you know,

4870
03:35:56,319 --> 03:35:59,040
accept the mics instead of the mics.

4871
03:35:59,040 --> 03:36:00,399
>> Another thought about that is Rocky

4872
03:36:00,399 --> 03:36:01,680
Mountain the [clears throat] first time

4873
03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:05,200
a player. I cut $1,100 off of their

4874
03:36:05,200 --> 03:36:07,040
request and it was all show it was

4875
03:36:07,040 --> 03:36:10,160
another set of mic packs. So, I mean

4876
03:36:10,160 --> 03:36:12,479
they've they're not like Rocky Mountain

4877
03:36:12,479 --> 03:36:16,080
where they've had year after year after year.

4878
03:36:16,080 --> 03:36:18,239
you know, if if if there's a little

4879
03:36:18,239 --> 03:36:19,920
extra money, it might be a good thought

4880
03:36:19,920 --> 03:36:23,279
to help Rocky Mountain, but I I'm happy

4881
03:36:23,279 --> 03:36:27,840
to help the pipe band and and Lynen

4882
03:36:27,840 --> 03:36:31,439
Elementary get their stuff.

4883
03:36:31,439 --> 03:36:39,269
It's used so well and so visual.

4884
03:36:39,279 --> 03:36:43,439
So, if we went with number one with

4885
03:36:43,439 --> 03:36:47,279
Lynen Elementary getting 5,256,

4886
03:36:47,279 --> 03:36:51,200
Rocky Mountain getting its full 3150.

4887
03:36:51,200 --> 03:36:54,800
United Angels, they're at 1380, but they

4888
03:36:54,800 --> 03:36:58,720
also have the undis undescribed inind

4889
03:36:58,720 --> 03:37:01,279
facility usage.

4890
03:37:01,279 --> 03:37:04,640
the Shantinets if they got the 1500, the

4891
03:37:04,640 --> 03:37:08,319
5,000, and the 2500 for the gospel

4892
03:37:08,319 --> 03:37:11,120
choir, that's 18,786.

4893
03:37:11,120 --> 03:37:15,359
So, Lyndon wouldn't get the mics,

4894
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:18,160
but and then the pipe band would have

4895
03:37:18,160 --> 03:37:23,910
two 3,000 less than their full ask.

4896
03:37:23,920 --> 03:37:25,120
» I second the motion.

4897
03:37:25,120 --> 03:37:29,060
>> That's pretty I mean, it's close, but

4898
03:37:29,060 --> 03:37:31,110
[laughter]

4899
03:37:31,120 --> 03:37:34,950
I like it

4900
03:37:34,960 --> 03:37:36,560
» because the mics is kind of a big deal.

4901
03:37:36,560 --> 03:37:37,840
If you've been gone to these plays,

4902
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:39,600
which I have, you've been to the plays

4903
03:37:39,600 --> 03:37:41,760
and you can't hear it. It's like

4904
03:37:41,760 --> 03:37:43,040
>> kind of pointless a little bit. Not

4905
03:37:43,040 --> 03:37:44,720
pointless, but it's so disheartening

4906
03:37:44,720 --> 03:37:46,239
when the kids work so hard and they

4907
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:46,640
can't

4908
03:37:46,640 --> 03:37:48,080
>> They said they would rent rather than

4909
03:37:48,080 --> 03:37:49,520
own. Is that what you understand?

4910
03:37:49,520 --> 03:37:50,960
>> But mics for Rocky Mountain or for

4911
03:37:50,960 --> 03:37:51,359
Lynon?

4912
03:37:51,359 --> 03:37:53,040
>> Well, both. I mean, we've taken out the

4913
03:37:53,040 --> 03:37:54,239
mics from Lyndon,

4914
03:37:54,239 --> 03:37:56,239
>> right? So I I would hesitate to give

4915
03:37:56,239 --> 03:37:58,720
Rocky Mountain first time when Lyndon's

4916
03:37:58,720 --> 03:38:00,160
been going and then they've requested

4917
03:38:00,160 --> 03:38:02,000
mics and not give them to them.

4918
03:38:02,000 --> 03:38:03,120
>> That's a good fair.

4919
03:38:03,120 --> 03:38:05,520
>> Although Lyndon's gotten a lot more

4920
03:38:05,520 --> 03:38:07,520
funding over the years a lot.

4921
03:38:07,520 --> 03:38:12,070
>> Good point.

4922
03:38:12,080 --> 03:38:17,990
» And even this ask is

4923
03:38:18,000 --> 03:38:20,479
» unless you want to bump up the total,

4924
03:38:20,479 --> 03:38:22,640
round it to 20. If you gave well to do

4925
03:38:22,640 --> 03:38:25,359
the mics you'd need to round to 22 well

4926
03:38:25,359 --> 03:38:27,040
22,386

4927
03:38:27,040 --> 03:38:28,479
if that was the only adjustment

4928
03:38:28,479 --> 03:38:29,279
>> the full

4929
03:38:29,279 --> 03:38:33,269
>> if you gave them the full

4930
03:38:33,279 --> 03:38:37,120
and everyone the full except the gospel

4931
03:38:37,120 --> 03:38:38,960
choir and then

4932
03:38:38,960 --> 03:38:39,840
>> the shaets

4933
03:38:39,840 --> 03:38:43,760
>> the the shaets would get their full ask

4934
03:38:43,760 --> 03:38:45,920
and the because I guess that covers

4935
03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:48,640
their rental so they're paying just like

4936
03:38:48,640 --> 03:38:51,439
the bagpipe people are paying.

4937
03:38:51,439 --> 03:38:54,080
And then the bag pipe theirs has been

4938
03:38:54,080 --> 03:38:56,319
reduced by 3,000,

4939
03:38:56,319 --> 03:38:59,359
but they need 6,000 to pay us.

4940
03:38:59,359 --> 03:39:02,399
>> Yeah. Yeah.

4941
03:39:02,399 --> 03:39:04,560
>> Changing purses like you were saying,

4942
03:39:04,560 --> 03:39:08,309
>> right?

4943
03:39:08,319 --> 03:39:13,279
» That arrangement 6,000 would make it 28

4944
03:39:13,279 --> 03:39:14,239
3,000

4945
03:39:14,239 --> 03:39:15,520
>> 386.

4946
03:39:15,520 --> 03:39:17,040
>> I mean, if we look at another way to

4947
03:39:17,040 --> 03:39:20,319
look at it financially is which ones

4948
03:39:20,319 --> 03:39:23,600
are onsite and so it's just a wash of

4949
03:39:23,600 --> 03:39:24,479
exchanging

4950
03:39:24,479 --> 03:39:24,960
>> Yeah.

4951
03:39:24,960 --> 03:39:27,600
>> dollars on a page versus those that are

4952
03:39:27,600 --> 03:39:32,560
offsite. It's actual a cash outlay.

4953
03:39:32,560 --> 03:39:34,399
You know, I don't there's a hard cost

4954
03:39:34,399 --> 03:39:35,760
versus a soft cost on some of these. I

4955
03:39:35,760 --> 03:39:35,920
mean,

4956
03:39:35,920 --> 03:39:36,960
>> which is kind of the way I looked at

4957
03:39:36,960 --> 03:39:40,640
option three. If you wanted me to rank

4958
03:39:40,640 --> 03:39:44,560
>> arbitrarily past and good usage,

4959
03:39:44,560 --> 03:39:50,000
>> uh just uh did I say I meant funding for

4960
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:51,680
organizations closely related to Lynon

4961
03:39:51,680 --> 03:39:52,399
too. Yeah.

4962
03:39:52,399 --> 03:39:52,960
>> Okay.

4963
03:39:52,960 --> 03:39:54,800
>> Where where we ran out of money at the

4964
03:39:54,800 --> 03:39:57,600
$8,000 for that, but

4965
03:39:57,600 --> 03:39:59,120
>> uh some of those others didn't get any

4966
03:39:59,120 --> 03:40:00,960
part. And that was not all Lynon

4967
03:40:00,960 --> 03:40:04,160
Elementary PTA ask. You you tell me

4968
03:40:04,160 --> 03:40:05,680
where to fund them and I'll make sure

4969
03:40:05,680 --> 03:40:06,399
they get them.

4970
03:40:06,399 --> 03:40:13,269
>> You're awesome.

4971
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:14,800
» Did you feel comfortable with Lynen

4972
03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:21,030
Elementary getting 52 56?

4973
03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:23,760
and Rocky Mountain. They're full ask or

4974
03:40:23,760 --> 03:40:32,070
just the 2,00

4975
03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:34,319
» full ask and challenge them to be as

4976
03:40:34,319 --> 03:40:35,920
communicative about how wonderful the

4977
03:40:35,920 --> 03:40:37,040
park tax is.

4978
03:40:37,040 --> 03:40:37,760
>> Yeah, there you go.

4979
03:40:37,760 --> 03:40:39,667
>> Lynon Elementary

4980
03:40:39,667 --> 03:40:43,910
[clears throat]

4981
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:47,359
» and the United Angels ask really it's

4982
03:40:47,359 --> 03:40:49,600
most of that is in the building in kind.

4983
03:40:49,600 --> 03:40:52,239
So they're not going to get very much

4984
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:55,200
out of that. So you okay with 1380

4985
03:40:55,200 --> 03:40:57,600
>> for them.

4986
03:40:57,600 --> 03:41:00,000
>> The Shantinets likewise

4987
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:02,479
>> 1500

4988
03:41:02,479 --> 03:41:03,439
>> just a wash

4989
03:41:03,439 --> 03:41:05,840
>> comes back to us

4990
03:41:05,840 --> 03:41:07,840
>> and then the Garden Valley wanted to see

4991
03:41:07,840 --> 03:41:09,359
if we can give them their whole ask.

4992
03:41:09,359 --> 03:41:11,040
>> They were putting down that their

4993
03:41:11,040 --> 03:41:13,279
building rental was seven but you on the

4994
03:41:13,279 --> 03:41:15,279
application but you said you think it's

4995
03:41:15,279 --> 03:41:18,399
six closer to Yeah, it's right around

4996
03:41:18,399 --> 03:41:21,760
six. a little over six when I just

4997
03:41:21,760 --> 03:41:24,720
looked up their dates for last year.

4998
03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:26,319
So, unless they've got plans on doing

4999
03:41:26,319 --> 03:41:30,630
more,

5000
03:41:30,640 --> 03:41:32,319
» but they can make 5,000 work, they can

5001
03:41:32,319 --> 03:41:34,080
make 6,000 work, they can make 7,000

5002
03:41:34,080 --> 03:41:37,670
work

5003
03:41:37,680 --> 03:41:40,239
» and they they've been a good

5004
03:41:40,239 --> 03:41:43,040
>> Yeah.

5005
03:41:43,040 --> 03:41:45,120
>> group to have.

5006
03:41:45,120 --> 03:41:45,600
>> All right,

5007
03:41:45,600 --> 03:41:47,040
>> we got to move forward. So, make a

5008
03:41:47,040 --> 03:41:49,359
motion. How much on the pipe band?

5009
03:41:49,359 --> 03:41:51,920
>> So they got 6,000 last year.

5010
03:41:51,920 --> 03:41:54,000
>> So should I just think you should have

5011
03:41:54,000 --> 03:41:54,880
>> maintain it? Yeah.

5012
03:41:54,880 --> 03:41:56,000
>> If we're just getting all the money,

5013
03:41:56,000 --> 03:41:57,279
>> they'll be happy.

5014
03:41:57,279 --> 03:41:59,040
with that. And then we

5015
03:41:59,040 --> 03:42:00,720
struck Nashville and then the United

5016
03:42:00,720 --> 03:42:02,399
Gospel Choir.

5017
03:42:02,399 --> 03:42:04,560
>> You okay with 25 to them?

5018
03:42:04,560 --> 03:42:05,600
>> We could start with that.

5019
03:42:05,600 --> 03:42:07,200
>> What's the new total? Have you

5020
03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:10,000
>> 19,786?

5021
03:42:10,000 --> 03:42:11,680
>> Yeah, that's what I got to.

5022
03:42:11,680 --> 03:42:14,560
>> Okay. So we're just under 20. But hard

5023
03:42:14,560 --> 03:42:17,680
cost is only about hard cost is

5024
03:42:17,680 --> 03:42:19,200
>> a lot less.

5025
03:42:19,200 --> 03:42:20,800
>> Yeah. Because they're paying back.

5026
03:42:20,800 --> 03:42:22,319
>> There'll be a lot of happy organizations

5027
03:42:22,319 --> 03:42:24,239
and very thankful.

5028
03:42:24,239 --> 03:42:25,760
>> So,

5029
03:42:25,760 --> 03:42:28,398
>> okay. I move

5030
03:42:28,398 --> 03:42:29,520
[laughter]

5031
03:42:29,520 --> 03:42:30,479
>> I don't know how to

5032
03:42:30,479 --> 03:42:31,520
>> to approve what we just talked

5033
03:42:31,520 --> 03:42:33,359
>> to approve

5034
03:42:33,359 --> 03:42:35,439
the park tax committee grants as

5035
03:42:35,439 --> 03:42:37,120
outlined.

5036
03:42:37,120 --> 03:42:39,200
>> Maybe that numbered that 19

5037
03:42:39,200 --> 03:42:43,110
>> comes to 19,786.

5038
03:42:43,120 --> 03:42:44,160
distributed as

5039
03:42:44,160 --> 03:42:46,080
>> distributed as instructed

5040
03:42:46,080 --> 03:42:47,680
>> and I will second the motion.

5041
03:42:47,680 --> 03:42:48,080
>> Okay.

5042
03:42:48,080 --> 03:42:49,680
>> Motion by council member Hulie, second

5043
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:51,840
by council member Hoy. All in favor?

5044
03:42:51,840 --> 03:42:52,880
>> I

5045
03:42:52,880 --> 03:42:53,600
>> All right.

5046
03:42:53,600 --> 03:42:54,479
>> Bye.

5047
03:42:54,479 --> 03:42:55,760
>> Thanks Heath. [laughter]

5048
03:42:55,760 --> 03:42:56,560
>> Thank you Heath.

5049
03:42:56,560 --> 03:42:59,200
>> You bet.

5050
03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:02,560
>> All right. We are now on item number 13.

5051
03:43:02,560 --> 03:43:04,319
This is also review and action of our

5052
03:43:04,319 --> 03:43:06,560
solid waste disposal contract with

5053
03:43:06,560 --> 03:43:12,630
Republic Services.

5054
03:43:12,640 --> 03:43:15,040
So we have Ashley Collie is here with

5055
03:43:15,040 --> 03:43:17,279
us. She is represented from Republic

5056
03:43:17,279 --> 03:43:20,239
Services. So thanks Ashley for coming.

5057
03:43:20,239 --> 03:43:22,560
>> Thanks for hanging in there.

5058
03:43:22,560 --> 03:43:24,640
>> And so [clears throat] let me close this

5059
03:43:24,640 --> 03:43:27,040
here. This is just kind of summarizing

5060
03:43:27,040 --> 03:43:29,199
uh the agreement that you have in place

5061
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:31,359
uh in front of you in your staff report.

5062
03:43:31,359 --> 03:43:34,160
Um we've been contracted with Republic

5063
03:43:34,160 --> 03:43:37,359
Services for a long time. It's probably

5064
03:43:37,359 --> 03:43:42,720
been uh 20 years and so we had several

5065
03:43:42,720 --> 03:43:45,840
opportunities to renew or extend an an

5066
03:43:45,840 --> 03:43:47,920
existing contract. Uh this is an

5067
03:43:47,920 --> 03:43:51,120
addendum to an existing contract that

5068
03:43:51,120 --> 03:43:52,960
we've had in place. It's a three-year

5069
03:43:52,960 --> 03:43:55,359
extension. And let me just kind of

5070
03:43:55,359 --> 03:43:58,640
outline what's in in this proposal. Uh

5071
03:43:58,640 --> 03:44:00,800
in the first year this coming fiscal

5072
03:44:00,800 --> 03:44:04,000
year, there would be a 6% increase. Uh

5073
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:05,760
and we've

5074
03:44:05,760 --> 03:44:08,080
uh discussed with you previously in a in

5075
03:44:08,080 --> 03:44:10,560
a prior meeting to be able to handle

5076
03:44:10,560 --> 03:44:13,520
that increase uh collectively with our

5077
03:44:13,520 --> 03:44:15,600
garbage and recycling. We have a fund

5078
03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:19,279
balance as a city. Um and that balance

5079
03:44:19,279 --> 03:44:22,239
kind of es and flows as new accounts

5080
03:44:22,239 --> 03:44:24,880
sign on or as people drop cans or

5081
03:44:24,880 --> 03:44:27,439
things. And so, uh, it's built up a

5082
03:44:27,439 --> 03:44:29,279
little bit and Kristen feels that we can

5083
03:44:29,279 --> 03:44:32,399
absorb for garbage that full 6% increase

5084
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:35,920
this first fiscal year. For recycling,

5085
03:44:35,920 --> 03:44:39,040
um, we would absorb 1% and then pass on

5086
03:44:39,040 --> 03:44:41,920
a 5% increase to our customers. And so,

5087
03:44:41,920 --> 03:44:44,080
just to the right there would be our

5088
03:44:44,080 --> 03:44:46,399
current rate for garbage then, uh, for

5089
03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:48,160
this proposed fiscal year would not

5090
03:44:48,160 --> 03:44:50,080
change. And then the recycling would go

5091
03:44:50,080 --> 03:44:52,800
up just that that little bit, uh, about

5092
03:44:52,800 --> 03:44:55,680
30 cents or so.

5093
03:44:55,680 --> 03:44:58,160
um on the contract. Then on year two and

5094
03:44:58,160 --> 03:45:01,520
three, um it creates a floor of a 2 and

5095
03:45:01,520 --> 03:45:05,120
a.5% increase and a ceiling of a 6 and a

5096
03:45:05,120 --> 03:45:08,399
half% increase. And these increases are

5097
03:45:08,399 --> 03:45:10,479
based off of the consumer price index,

5098
03:45:10,479 --> 03:45:13,279
the CPI. There's a specific garbage and

5099
03:45:13,279 --> 03:45:15,600
trash listing out of hundreds of things

5100
03:45:15,600 --> 03:45:19,439
that they index. Um just as a FYI, in

5101
03:45:19,439 --> 03:45:21,279
some prior years, here's some of those

5102
03:45:21,279 --> 03:45:26,239
rates. um January to January of this

5103
03:45:26,239 --> 03:45:31,439
last 25 to 26 was about 5%. Um but

5104
03:45:31,439 --> 03:45:32,880
February to February is what the

5105
03:45:32,880 --> 03:45:35,840
contract says. Um and so you can see in

5106
03:45:35,840 --> 03:45:38,080
one of those years it would have capped

5107
03:45:38,080 --> 03:45:41,760
at that 6 and a half% ceiling. Um but

5108
03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:43,520
traditionally we're hovering around that

5109
03:45:43,520 --> 03:45:47,520
5% increase every year.

5110
03:45:47,520 --> 03:45:51,439
the floor. I realistically it probably

5111
03:45:51,439 --> 03:45:53,840
won't go below that, but is that

5112
03:45:53,840 --> 03:45:55,600
necessary to have in there?

5113
03:45:55,600 --> 03:45:57,520
>> That was something that I I'll let

5114
03:45:57,520 --> 03:45:59,840
Ashley dis discuss. Um

5115
03:45:59,840 --> 03:46:01,520
>> because I prefer not to be in there

5116
03:46:01,520 --> 03:46:02,239
personally.

5117
03:46:02,239 --> 03:46:05,040
>> We But we tried to negotiate some

5118
03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:06,319
different options there and that's what

5119
03:46:06,319 --> 03:46:08,640
Republic felt I think uh to help keep up

5120
03:46:08,640 --> 03:46:10,319
with inflationary costs, but I'll let

5121
03:46:10,319 --> 03:46:12,399
Ashley speak to that. So,

5122
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:17,590
>> yes, please come forward.

5123
03:46:17,600 --> 03:46:19,600
So, good evening. Thanks for having me.

5124
03:46:19,600 --> 03:46:21,199
Thanks for being patient with me, uh,

5125
03:46:21,199 --> 03:46:23,920
Madame Mayor and Council. Uh, so, first

5126
03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:26,080
of all, wonderful to be here in London.

5127
03:46:26,080 --> 03:46:28,640
My name's Ashley. Um, I previously

5128
03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:30,560
worked with the city with Reese Deill,

5129
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:32,720
who was used to be a rep for the city.

5130
03:46:32,720 --> 03:46:34,479
He left. I went to California with

5131
03:46:34,479 --> 03:46:36,319
Republic. Now, I'm back. So, it's a

5132
03:46:36,319 --> 03:46:38,800
pleasure to be here. Uh, so, first of

5133
03:46:38,800 --> 03:46:39,921
all, we have a long-standing

5134
03:46:39,921 --> 03:46:40,560
[clears throat]

5135
03:46:40,560 --> 03:46:42,160
partnership with you. We really

5136
03:46:42,160 --> 03:46:44,720
appreciate it. uh straightforwardly we

5137
03:46:44,720 --> 03:46:46,640
really appreciate too your just uh

5138
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,239
geographical significance with the

5139
03:46:48,239 --> 03:46:49,760
transfer station. It's very helpful to

5140
03:46:49,760 --> 03:46:53,920
us. Um so looking at this contract we

5141
03:46:53,920 --> 03:46:57,279
previously have been capped at a 4% um

5142
03:46:57,279 --> 03:46:59,680
under this previous amendment that

5143
03:46:59,680 --> 03:47:03,120
really hurt us. Um just transparently

5144
03:47:03,120 --> 03:47:05,760
cost of service has gone up so much. Uh

5145
03:47:05,760 --> 03:47:09,279
we've tied your annual price increase to

5146
03:47:09,279 --> 03:47:13,120
the garbage and trash CPI, but again

5147
03:47:13,120 --> 03:47:15,359
just honestly the cost of doing service

5148
03:47:15,359 --> 03:47:17,920
for us is always going to be above 3%.

5149
03:47:17,920 --> 03:47:21,842
So uh I got a hard bargain from Adam. We

5150
03:47:21,842 --> 03:47:22,479
[laughter]

5151
03:47:22,479 --> 03:47:25,199
uh I I'm not going to say on record what

5152
03:47:25,199 --> 03:47:27,279
the official ask was from my higherups

5153
03:47:27,279 --> 03:47:29,840
in area, but it was higher than what uh

5154
03:47:29,840 --> 03:47:32,800
he got out of me. And uh this is what we

5155
03:47:32,800 --> 03:47:36,080
came to. uh I have to get my area

5156
03:47:36,080 --> 03:47:38,479
approval to put these prices together.

5157
03:47:38,479 --> 03:47:40,399
It's a long process. They have a big

5158
03:47:40,399 --> 03:47:42,800
spreadsheet, no formula. So, we put in

5159
03:47:42,800 --> 03:47:45,760
2.5. That's where we feel like it we're

5160
03:47:45,760 --> 03:47:47,359
always going to be having to pay more

5161
03:47:47,359 --> 03:47:49,680
higher drivers, etc., but we're good

5162
03:47:49,680 --> 03:47:51,120
with that amount. We can take that

5163
03:47:51,120 --> 03:47:54,319
floor. Um ceiling. Hopefully, it doesn't

5164
03:47:54,319 --> 03:47:56,000
get up to that with the economy, but you

5165
03:47:56,000 --> 03:47:57,760
never know. But that's uh Council Member

5166
03:47:57,760 --> 03:48:00,720
Hulie. That's where that came from.

5167
03:48:00,720 --> 03:48:03,040
>> Will that help with service delivery? We

5168
03:48:03,040 --> 03:48:04,399
had, I think, two instances where

5169
03:48:04,399 --> 03:48:07,120
Republic couldn't help us out as

5170
03:48:07,120 --> 03:48:09,040
intended this last year.

5171
03:48:09,040 --> 03:48:12,000
>> So, I wasn't here. I was in California,

5172
03:48:12,000 --> 03:48:14,880
but I came back. Um, I've known about

5173
03:48:14,880 --> 03:48:16,720
that.

5174
03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:19,040
It's an industry-wide challenge, and

5175
03:48:19,040 --> 03:48:21,040
here in Utah County, we have had

5176
03:48:21,040 --> 03:48:23,680
challenges hiring drivers with CDLs. Uh,

5177
03:48:23,680 --> 03:48:25,680
we've raised our rates and our wages,

5178
03:48:25,680 --> 03:48:28,640
hence, you know, that 2.5 floor. We feel

5179
03:48:28,640 --> 03:48:30,080
really good about it right now. Our

5180
03:48:30,080 --> 03:48:31,520
trucks are holding up. We continue to

5181
03:48:31,520 --> 03:48:34,160
hire. We're even offering uh people who

5182
03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:35,520
are interested in getting their CDL to

5183
03:48:35,520 --> 03:48:37,359
go out to Texas and we'll pay for it.

5184
03:48:37,359 --> 03:48:40,399
So, but we're feeling better and good.

5185
03:48:40,399 --> 03:48:42,160
>> So, yes, fingers crossed. I can't

5186
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:43,680
promise it will always be perfect, but

5187
03:48:43,680 --> 03:48:50,710
that's what we hold ourselves to.

5188
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:52,479
» Do you share what what does a driver

5189
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:54,000
make on average?

5190
03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:55,920
>> I don't have that with me right now.

5191
03:48:55,920 --> 03:48:59,920
Yes. But I can bring it back. Yeah.

5192
03:48:59,920 --> 03:49:07,189
All

5193
03:49:07,199 --> 03:49:09,040
right, council. We did have kind of a

5194
03:49:09,040 --> 03:49:11,359
heads up from staff on this, what to

5195
03:49:11,359 --> 03:49:12,880
expect.

5196
03:49:12,880 --> 03:49:14,560
Um, and we did already have that

5197
03:49:14,560 --> 03:49:16,479
discussion about absorbing some of the

5198
03:49:16,479 --> 03:49:18,239
increase for our residents. We had that

5199
03:49:18,239 --> 03:49:22,640
ability to do so. Um my recollection,

5200
03:49:22,640 --> 03:49:25,439
you know, the having been on the council

5201
03:49:25,439 --> 03:49:28,319
all these years is that it has been a

5202
03:49:28,319 --> 03:49:32,239
very good uh relationship and

5203
03:49:32,239 --> 03:49:35,120
partnership and I remember many times

5204
03:49:35,120 --> 03:49:37,199
Ree saying, "Hey, we're increasing this

5205
03:49:37,199 --> 03:49:38,720
city this much, this city that much."

5206
03:49:38,720 --> 03:49:41,680
And he would hold it for us quite often.

5207
03:49:41,680 --> 03:49:46,160
So, um we we appreciate those

5208
03:49:46,160 --> 03:49:48,080
accommodations. Something that's been

5209
03:49:48,080 --> 03:49:50,000
beneficial for us that's remaining in

5210
03:49:50,000 --> 03:49:51,760
the contract is right now Republic

5211
03:49:51,760 --> 03:49:54,399
actually covers the cost of emptying all

5212
03:49:54,399 --> 03:49:57,279
of our city facilities. And so we do not

5213
03:49:57,279 --> 03:50:00,239
pay for garbage services disposal for

5214
03:50:00,239 --> 03:50:02,640
any city facilities. So that was

5215
03:50:02,640 --> 03:50:05,760
something that they we we kicked that

5216
03:50:05,760 --> 03:50:07,840
around as an option, but we we would

5217
03:50:07,840 --> 03:50:09,680
prefer to keep that. So

5218
03:50:09,680 --> 03:50:11,920
>> and you are our only city that has that

5219
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:13,600
benefit. So [laughter]

5220
03:50:13,600 --> 03:50:16,640
>> don't tell the others yet.

5221
03:50:16,640 --> 03:50:19,120
Oh, we're telling them. Put it on the

5222
03:50:19,120 --> 03:50:20,880
Facebook with the Star Wars stuff.

5223
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:22,239
Lincoln, you're my garbage guy. You

5224
03:50:22,239 --> 03:50:24,399
feeling okay about this?

5225
03:50:24,399 --> 03:50:25,040
>> You.

5226
03:50:25,040 --> 03:50:27,520
>> Okay. So am I.

5227
03:50:27,520 --> 03:50:29,840
>> Appreciate the conversations at ULCT as

5228
03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:31,760
well. Appreciate you helping us wrap our

5229
03:50:31,760 --> 03:50:33,520
heads around it. I'm I'm comfortable as

5230
03:50:33,520 --> 03:50:35,680
well.

5231
03:50:35,680 --> 03:50:37,120
>> Are you the motion man? Is what he's

5232
03:50:37,120 --> 03:50:38,160
asking. [laughter]

5233
03:50:38,160 --> 03:50:41,680
>> All right. This is yours, Lincoln. I

5234
03:50:41,680 --> 03:50:44,239
move to approve the solid waste contract

5235
03:50:44,239 --> 03:50:45,840
[cough and clears throat] addendum with

5236
03:50:45,840 --> 03:50:47,760
Republic Service as presented.

5237
03:50:47,760 --> 03:50:48,960
>> Second.

5238
03:50:48,960 --> 03:50:51,120
>> Have a motion by council member Jacobs

5239
03:50:51,120 --> 03:50:53,439
our trash ZAR.

5240
03:50:53,439 --> 03:50:55,040
>> I like that.

5241
03:50:55,040 --> 03:50:56,319
>> Council member Stewart,

5242
03:50:56,319 --> 03:50:58,479
>> his assistant Zar.

5243
03:50:58,479 --> 03:51:00,319
>> All right. All in favor?

5244
03:51:00,319 --> 03:51:01,680
>> I.

5245
03:51:01,680 --> 03:51:03,439
>> Thank you. And may the fourth be with

5246
03:51:03,439 --> 03:51:04,800
you. [laughter]

5247
03:51:04,800 --> 03:51:07,199
>> Nice sign on.

5248
03:51:07,199 --> 03:51:08,800
>> All right.

5249
03:51:08,800 --> 03:51:11,840
Okay. That takes us now to item number

5250
03:51:11,840 --> 03:51:14,000
14. This is a telecommunications

5251
03:51:14,000 --> 03:51:16,479
franchise agreement with First Digital

5252
03:51:16,479 --> 03:51:19,520
review and action.

5253
03:51:19,520 --> 03:51:21,840
So, uh, First Digital actually has some

5254
03:51:21,840 --> 03:51:24,160
infrastructure in our community. They've

5255
03:51:24,160 --> 03:51:27,760
put in some things and then have changed

5256
03:51:27,760 --> 03:51:29,520
from what I can gather they've changed

5257
03:51:29,520 --> 03:51:32,239
some parent company

5258
03:51:32,239 --> 03:51:34,560
um

5259
03:51:34,560 --> 03:51:36,960
sorry ownership issues and they wanted

5260
03:51:36,960 --> 03:51:39,840
to get a separate uh agreement that was

5261
03:51:39,840 --> 03:51:43,279
just first digital um instead of through

5262
03:51:43,279 --> 03:51:46,640
a subsidiary or parent company. And so

5263
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:48,960
uh we've sent them a sample agreement

5264
03:51:48,960 --> 03:51:51,120
that we've used in the past. They were

5265
03:51:51,120 --> 03:51:52,720
just fine with it. Signed it, sent it

5266
03:51:52,720 --> 03:51:54,160
back, and they've paid their application

5267
03:51:54,160 --> 03:51:57,199
fee. So, this is a draft that we've

5268
03:51:57,199 --> 03:51:58,880
actually prepared as a city. We're

5269
03:51:58,880 --> 03:52:00,239
comfortable with this being approved

5270
03:52:00,239 --> 03:52:01,359
100%. So,

5271
03:52:01,359 --> 03:52:01,760
>> awesome.

5272
03:52:01,760 --> 03:52:03,439
>> What's the the the piece about the

5273
03:52:03,439 --> 03:52:06,319
automatic renewals is that

5274
03:52:06,319 --> 03:52:08,080
>> to save time? I that was the only thing

5275
03:52:08,080 --> 03:52:09,439
that made me go like do we want to have

5276
03:52:09,439 --> 03:52:12,800
a hard stop so that we can

5277
03:52:12,800 --> 03:52:15,120
>> where they have infrastructure buried in

5278
03:52:15,120 --> 03:52:20,800
our streets to say at some point we're going to term this agreement and

5279
03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:22,960
not allow it to continue. I don't know.

5280
03:52:22,960 --> 03:52:23,840
>> Pretty strange.

5281
03:52:23,840 --> 03:52:26,000
>> Yeah. Why we would do that. They they

5282
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:29,040
pay a tax that comes through. It's it's

5283
03:52:29,040 --> 03:52:32,720
tax to end users. Uh clearly that's part

5284
03:52:32,720 --> 03:52:34,800
of the tax that we pay for our utilities

5285
03:52:34,800 --> 03:52:37,600
or for these different services. But,

5286
03:52:37,600 --> 03:52:38,960
uh, I'm I'm comfortable with that

5287
03:52:38,960 --> 03:52:41,359
automatic renewal. And so,

5288
03:52:41,359 --> 03:52:43,040
>> um, the other thing, it does provide a

5289
03:52:43,040 --> 03:52:44,560
little bit of a protection for us. We

5290
03:52:44,560 --> 03:52:46,960
did have a similar instance with another

5291
03:52:46,960 --> 03:52:49,040
franchise agreement that it had expired.

5292
03:52:49,040 --> 03:52:51,439
And for us to then enforce something,

5293
03:52:51,439 --> 03:52:53,279
that's problematic for us to say, "Hey,

5294
03:52:53,279 --> 03:52:54,720
we have an agreement that says you'll

5295
03:52:54,720 --> 03:52:59,040
take care of this issue because of your utility caused it." And then if our

5296
03:52:59,040 --> 03:53:00,560
agreement's expired, that can be

5297
03:53:00,560 --> 03:53:02,080
problematic. But,

5298
03:53:02,080 --> 03:53:03,600
>> and then did is have you ever had

5299
03:53:03,600 --> 03:53:05,680
problems with the restoration clause?

5300
03:53:05,680 --> 03:53:08,000
It's like as it was instead of as it

5301
03:53:08,000 --> 03:53:10,960
should be. Like if it was a cracked

5302
03:53:10,960 --> 03:53:14,080
sidewalk and pretty lousy to begin with.

5303
03:53:14,080 --> 03:53:15,199
They're not going to make a cracked

5304
03:53:15,199 --> 03:53:16,960
sidewalk. But I just thought, well, no,

5305
03:53:16,960 --> 03:53:17,520
we would

5306
03:53:17,520 --> 03:53:21,120
>> What section is that? Do you recall?

5307
03:53:21,120 --> 03:53:21,680
>> Restoration.

5308
03:53:21,680 --> 03:53:23,439
>> It was a restoration section.

5309
03:53:23,439 --> 03:53:27,199
>> Yeah, restoration clause. Any concerns?

5310
03:53:27,199 --> 03:53:29,120
>> No, that that is just the standard

5311
03:53:29,120 --> 03:53:31,359
language that they're not going to want

5312
03:53:31,359 --> 03:53:34,880
us to. Again, what that usually applies

5313
03:53:34,880 --> 03:53:37,920
to is if we've got a, you know, three

5314
03:53:37,920 --> 03:53:40,640
foot sidewalk that's there, we can't

5315
03:53:40,640 --> 03:53:43,040
make them come in and put a six foot

5316
03:53:43,040 --> 03:53:45,120
>> that that's that's where it's at. And

5317
03:53:45,120 --> 03:53:46,960
it's very standard that

5318
03:53:46,960 --> 03:53:49,359
>> we repair it to the condition.

5319
03:53:49,359 --> 03:53:51,920
>> That's 4.8 if you're looking for it.

5320
03:53:51,920 --> 03:53:53,760
>> Yeah, that's cool. It's not searchable

5321
03:53:53,760 --> 03:53:55,199
or else I just tell you to

5322
03:53:55,199 --> 03:53:56,960
>> Yeah, sorry about I just put in the

5323
03:53:56,960 --> 03:53:58,399
scanned copy that they sent back.

5324
03:53:58,399 --> 03:54:01,120
>> No, you're good. You're good.

5325
03:54:01,120 --> 03:54:07,349
>> Thanks. Those are my questions.

5326
03:54:07,359 --> 03:54:09,040
» Well, I'll make a motion.

5327
03:54:09,040 --> 03:54:09,520
>> Thank you.

5328
03:54:09,520 --> 03:54:11,120
>> I move to approve the franchise

5329
03:54:11,120 --> 03:54:12,720
agreement with First Digital as

5330
03:54:12,720 --> 03:54:14,960
presented.

5331
03:54:14,960 --> 03:54:15,520
>> Second.

5332
03:54:15,520 --> 03:54:17,120
>> Motion by Councilman Stewart, seconded

5333
03:54:17,120 --> 03:54:20,239
by Council Member Broader. Any further

5334
03:54:20,239 --> 03:54:21,920
discussion?

5335
03:54:21,920 --> 03:54:23,199
All right. Seeing none, I'll call the

5336
03:54:23,199 --> 03:54:24,720
vote. All in favor?

5337
03:54:24,720 --> 03:54:27,199
>> I.

5338
03:54:27,199 --> 03:54:31,040
>> Any opposed? Okay, that's unanimous.

5339
03:54:31,040 --> 03:54:33,520
All right, we'll get that signed away

5340
03:54:33,520 --> 03:54:36,800
tonight. All right, we're now going to

5341
03:54:36,800 --> 03:54:39,439
go into uh our last item on the agenda.

5342
03:54:39,439 --> 03:54:41,840
This is [clears throat] item number 15

5343
03:54:41,840 --> 03:54:44,880
to have a close session.

5344
03:54:44,880 --> 03:54:46,560
>> I move to enter a close session to

5345
03:54:46,560 --> 03:54:48,399
discuss potential purchase or sale of

5346
03:54:48,399 --> 03:54:50,399
real property.

5347
03:54:50,399 --> 03:54:51,600
>> All right, we have a motion by Council

5348
03:54:51,600 --> 03:54:53,040
Member Stewart, seconded by Council

5349
03:54:53,040 --> 03:54:55,040
Member Hoy. All in favor?

5350
03:54:55,040 --> 03:54:59,030
>> I I

5351
03:54:59,040 --> 03:55:01,830
go ahead and

5352
03:55:01,840 --> 03:55:02,800
I or do you want it with

5353
03:55:02,800 --> 03:55:04,160
>> that on the new recording, don't we?

5354
03:55:04,160 --> 03:55:05,520
>> Oh. Oh, yeah.

5355
03:55:05,520 --> 03:55:06,560
>> I was going to say

5356
03:55:06,560 --> 03:55:07,760
>> to go into the close session.

5357
03:55:07,760 --> 03:55:09,279
we need a

5358
03:55:09,279 --> 03:55:10,399
roll call vote.

5359
03:55:10,399 --> 03:55:13,040
>> Van Brick, I Lincoln Jacobs, I

5360
03:55:13,040 --> 03:55:14,399
>> Cole Hulie, I

5361
03:55:14,399 --> 03:55:16,000
>> Carolyn Lunberg, I

5362
03:55:16,000 --> 03:55:17,040
>> Jay Ky, I

5363
03:55:17,040 --> 03:55:20,840
>> Steve Stewart, I