city council is too.
>> Didn't even know we're getting paid till
like a year ago. [laughter]
>> Wait, what?
>> You think he still doesn't know? It's
still a secret.
» Okay, thank you.
with some creative
That's the
>> skinny.
» Okay. Wonderful.
>> All right.
» [laughter]
>> Hey, here's guy.
>> I'll sit by the mayor.
>> Yes.
>> All right. Well, welcome everybody. We
want to kind of kick this off on time.
Um, we have a lot to discuss and we are
so grateful that you all took the time
to come be here. We know that your time
has been enormously
involved. Um, and so meeting with our
city really means a lot. Um, we are, so
I'm just going to officially announce
this is for the record. Um, we're
opening the meeting here at the
Tibonogus School District Board here at
5:15 p.m. on Monday, May 4th here in the
Lynen City Chambers. And I'll be
conducting Mayor Carolyn Lumbard here
for this work session. Um, so welcome.
We wanted this to be down here and kind
of like a council circle versus you
looking up at us on the DAS. [laughter]
So,
comfortable and we can just speak freely
and and uh yeah, we're excited about
what's going to be happening in the
future with you all. So, we listed here
um a number of discussion items that we
had thought of and certainly uh anything
that you want to discuss with us in ways
that we can help as a city we certainly
welcome and this is going to be a true
partnership in our minds as a council
staff. So, um hopefully you had a kind
of look over this list and um
>> yes so first of all who who is kind of
our
>> great so first of all we want to excuse
Sterling Hilton and Grace Rex they were
unable to make it other Sterling may
come but he did know he could reorganize
his schedule at times so um want to
excuse them and we are also excited to
be here to to get this this partnership
kind of continue to like strengthen. Um
we want to talk about our
accomplishments first. So since we met
last as the interlocal with the pass off
meeting with the interlocal and passing
things off to us to start getting to
work, we did we were able to hire a
superintendent. We want to thank the the
city of Lynon for utilizing this space
to do our interviews. It worked so well
and and we are a little we were a little
homeless at that point. We didn't have a
So, it was nice to be able to come here
and and have the help your your staff
was so helpful with that. We're
appreciative of that. Um, so we've hired
Joe Dr. Joe Jensen as our superintendent
and then shortly after that we hired
Jason Sunberg as our business
administrator and then they hired Karen
Carter who is our executive assistant
and we're so I'm so grateful for her.
She's taken
>> taken a lot of things off of my plate
that have been um yeah, just she's just
been very helpful. So, we've also then
Joe started organizing. It was quick. We
wanted to get things going as far as
hiring employees and getting things
started. So, they have done a great job
doing that. Um, we were able to have our
kickoff in March. I don't know who was
able to attend um that. It was a great
start. We have a lot of momentum. We
have a lot of excitement from a lot of
our administrators, teachers
with what we've been able to accomplish
in these what five six months that we've
been that we've been working.
Um so next discussion item is our is
there any questions about that about the
progress? No, we're we're thrilled. I
mean that was one of the reasons why the
interlocal wanted the legislature to
change that you could be sworn in
immediately not wait till January one
because I think you know they're doing
tremendous job very
» yeah can you talk to about our school we
opened up because that will affect some
women students
>> yeah so um we worked uh withd
and identified the fact that our Dan
Pearson school was going to be
short-term solution for those students
to have a place to receive some
>> special needs like profoundly disabled
students.
>> So, it'll help students that will be
coming from the Dan Peterson School in
American Fork. Um, they will be educated
hopefully. Our hope is that that will
start in August of this year. So any
students that are in London that will be
I mean for Lynon I think it's pretty
probably equidistant between Peterson
and the Sharon school but it will be
more a better location for some of our
>> also opened up another school in the
same facility for the 18 to 22 year olds
>> who post high school transition. So if
you think kids who are in the Pleasant
Ohio that have special needs that are
served at the local schools, they would
come and be served at the uh TEK or
whatever we end up naming.
>> Typogus, what does it stand for?
>> Transition education center.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's been a tech if you've heard of
that at all.
just down just down the hill and then
they moved it for
» so yeah we're excited about that. Um
yeah, any other questions or comments
» I'm just having experience on both
sides.
I don't think this district could have
been served better by the board that was
elected and people chose to leave.
We're not sure about you.
[laughter]
» Sterling's joined us. Let's do really
fast just a quick introduction.
>> So I already introduced myself here and
start
the business administrator.
David Smith and I represent west of the
freeway in all of vineyard and pieces of
>> for
Carter executive assistant.
>> Joe Jensen superintendent
I represent
graduate of Aspen Oak Canyon and PG
>> and student when we were
>> Exactly.
He was also a student
at 8 back in the day.
>> Oh my god.
>> When Steve was our assistant principal.
>> Well, Westmore, Lincoln or High
[clears throat and laughter]
>> Lincoln. Stinking Lincoln. Oh,
>> no. Westmore Lakeidge Orum.
Anyway, uh Sterling Hilton, I represent
Southwest
>> and Jen Lman, I represent uh Lynon and
South Park. All right, let's have our
staff because they'll probably be
helping the discussion as well.
>> Adam Cowi, the city administrator.
>> Keith Baitman, I'm the parks recreation
director. Mike Florence, community
development director.
>> Brian Haw, city attorney. Mike
Jamie Jensen. I'm a mom. [laughter]
>> She's also communicated.
>> Yeah. And I work for Linen City as well,
but I'm here as a mom.
>> Dave Mau, assistant superintendent of
operations, secretary for the facilities
director.
[laughter]
>> We don't
listen.
>> Okay. Wonderful. Anything else on the uh
accomplishments or overview of your
first five months?
I think that's a very short overview,
but with the five minutes that's Yeah.
>> Okay. Fantastic.
>> Um, boundary study status update. Yeah,
we are starting our boundary study. So,
this is going to be comprehensive
boundary study. We call it the MOABs,
the mother of all boundary studies. And
we're [laughter] looking from the north
end of the district all the way to the
south because we recognize that things
have been kind of um yeah, just as
development has happened, it hasn't been
cohesive a lot of times. And so, we're
looking trying to
look at all of that, but also our main
objective is to create robust and
thriving schools from kindergarten up to
12th grade. We want our schools to have
um the amount of students that will will
help facilitate good collaboration
between teachers and be able to have
enough specialties. We're also looking
to our principles and some staff and our
parents to get our criteria. So, we know
as a board, we recognize that we're
seven people and we have an idea of what a robust elementary and secondary
schools look like. But we also recognize
as I think we've learned in all this
process that the more information we
gather from constituents just learning
going to other schools, I mean other
districts and collaborating with them,
we're finding we don't know everything.
And so, it's very helpful. So, we are
crafting actually a process for our
boundary study that will allow us to set
a criteria for what we want our schools
to kind of have a a framework, right?
You would say framework for um as we're
doing this boundary study, how we're
going to do that. So, so is there going
to be a public official public input
process?
>> Yeah, we're but we're in early stages.
So, that's
>> we're gonna have we're going to start
with some focus groups. Um we're going
to have some we just talked about this
in leadership, so I'm saying maybe some
of the board doesn't even know yet, but
>> boundary studies. [laughter]
» Um, we're creating committees that will
have board members and principles and
staff on them. And then we also want to help just set the criteria. That's
going to be our first step. We want to
know, okay, what are we looking at when
we're looking at this boundary study and
trying to make all these changes and use
this wonderful tool that actually Alpine
School District has created that we can
see, we can plug in addresses, right? Or
create a Jason's going to be doing that
part. That's why I keep looking at him.
>> Yeah. That we can we can put a boundary
and say, "Okay, what's this going to
look like? What's how's this going to
work?" And we can keep playing with it.
But until we have that criteria of what
we're looking to create a thriving
school. Um then we don't have a lot of
information.
>> Our agenda this this uh Wednesday will
include a study session wherein we'll
talk about what a healthy school looks
like
>> at the elementary level and then we're
also officially launching the boundary
study which is has a timeline that's
regulated by law.
>> Yeah. So it's there are certain things
and we don't want to just hit those required by law. Our goal is to go
above and beyond to make sure our
constituents feel heard and that we are
fully informed as to to what we want to
do. And we're looking our goal is to
look very far ahead like 20 or 30 years
down the road. We don't want to be
making decisions that are just good for
the
>> people feel disrupted.
>> Yeah, some years down the road that
sounds great.
>> That will also include a study of
programs.
I've been impressed just how transparent
this board is about
to be completely open.
I would simply add again to your point
about public input. I think it's we want to provide mult points for that.
Not just
when we're establishing the criteria.
The main focus I think of the
staff through the summer. So, we plan to
>> and I know that our staff communicates
well, particularly with your city
planner.
I think we need to to be talking with
each other.
» Okay. The tsd projected financial over
» [laughter]
>> I think we're down to two.
>> Yeah, just kind of a high level summary
here. So what for many years we've
looked at Alpine looked at okay if this
configuration was in district split or
this one what would it look like once we
have the full data so the last year we
were able to do that where we have
actuals is for fiscal year 25 which
ended last June June of 25 and so in
looking at that the schools that are in
the Tempoga school district and the
estimated revenue that would come just
when we're looking at operations
estimated about an 18 to20 million
annual deficit
how the schools with the expenses that
are at the schools actual expenses and
then looking at okay there was this many
students and this is an estimated
overhead cost per student at the
district level we estimated that so
something we're we're looking at. Um and
that's that 20 million or 18 to 20
million is about um 8 to 10.
So looking at ways I did a presentation
to the school board back in December
just looking how can we make that how
can we correct that deficit. So there's
really three ways to do that. Just keep
expenses where they are and raise
revenue which would be through property
taxes or be able to lower the expenses
um in the the schools and keep revenue
where it is or some combination of both.
So, as we're looking at things, we're
thinking that option three is going to
be the most likely as we're looking at
different things to be able to make that
work. Um the nice thing right now Alpine
School District could set up a building
fund in the capital fund that generates
for Tempog would generate about $20
million per year. So, if there's
the combination there. We won't have to
necessarily do it all through raising
taxes. There's some movement that can
happen between taxes
that we close as Alpine closes this
fiscal year that'll end in a month or
so. We'll do another
starting December
first
is that what's been helpful. We've been
working with ASD and as we hire from
employees that are current ASD
employees. Uh ASD is continuing to pay
their salaries because we don't our $60
a student that we're getting would not
cover the staff that we've hired to this
point. So that is being covered by ASD
because they so they will continue to
work for ASD like Dave and Zach are
still working for ASD and are
technically ASD employees through July
of 2027. But is going to allow them to
be our
um work for us maybe one day a week
starting in July and they can have time
that they can help us right now too. But
so it's kind of this graduated um
step by step transition to come in and
work for us. So we're not paying
» and and Joe work Joe is working he um
with Joel Perkins who is the Aston Peak
superintendent and Vicky Carter who is
the Lake Mountain superintendent. So
they coordinate that so and they try to
keep it even and fair as far as as
hiring you say they're working well
together. We are yeah I think a couple
things that people have brought up is
are there well you know interlocal
agreement opportunities to
you know.
>> Yeah. And we're working on that
>> versus reinventing the wheel for all
three.
>> Yeah, we're working on that with
negotiations. So, Sterling and I and Joe
are on the committee that is negotiating
with Lake Mountain and Aspen piece. And
so, yeah, we are like people we have
various things that we're like we're
working on. Intellectual property, how
are we going to handle stuff that was
created
>> IP? So, intellectual property, how are
we going to handle that?
services, transportation, there's a
whole host of things that we are it's in flow. So, it's not that we can
say or report anything, but it is in
discussion.
>> Are there any uh bonds that are falling
off in the near future where you know
you could have a new bond that just
replaces an old bond so for the general
public taxes just stay?
>> Yeah, it's a great question. So, there
the last few years there's been
debt a big drop off now it's kind of
stable but the next 8 to 10 years the
geo bond debt will go away the least
revenue bond goes out to about 15 or 16
that's something we'll Look at
» the LB is kind of an internally
funded based revenue is not require
But we are limited as to how much we
» three years and the the payment for
those can't come from the debt service
levy that the geo bond generates. So
with the general obligation bond the
voters have approved that. So whatever
interests
me an understanding potentially save the
cost of standing up from scratch
maybe on a smaller scale initially
>> most of them
Peak and
just because
>> there's more there's more between as
peaks and typographically
>> but there are a handful that include all
three
» and nothing has been signed. Those will
be coming you know as they're created.
You know how it works with you have
three different entities and something
comes it's like oh I don't like the way
this we need to change this a little bit
then it goes back to the drawing board
and so it's just it's just a process
» um moving on the uh drop off and pickup
traffic and parking congestion safety at
some of our schools. Yeah. So this was
um I talked I Just in the first
iteration of this, it mentioned Oak
Canyon. And so I went and met with Oak
Canyon about their issues and they
recognized that there is a lot of
uh but they have also
done they've worked with they've hired a
traffic engineer to come and work and
they have closed some entrance and exits
to try to make the flow be more just one
way. Um options that they suggested but
would be on on your end as far as the
city would be um to the west and being
able to create a turn lane on Canal or
Eagles whatever canal drive right there
and then the other would be making
and so people could only come in from the south and then exit out through
canal drive some of the flow our
engineers haveordinated some improvement
on flow. Parking is still and I know
maybe um our city administrator Adam
Cowi could kind of share on the map,
» you know, and for time here tonight,
maybe it's just it's we'll we'll look at
this really fast, but maybe just point
us
>> point us in the right direction for who
we can talk with in the future. So,
This was never a problem when Steve and
I were the assistant and just to make it
clear we figured that out.
>> All right.
>> So, so right now we've and you're
probably most of you are familiar with
this is where we've got parents that
stack all the way down this side of the
roadway and there's really not enough
room for them to park. Um, and then we
have a huge amount of kids that I think
their parents are just saying go over to
the church. And so this this becomes a
drop off and pickup area and a lot of
congestion with kids on this
intersection. And
>> over 100 cars to park there within a
15inute period of time.
>> So I think for the purposes of tonight
uh we we can introduce ourselves to your
facilities
>> uh director there and and talk more
about this. We know this is still Alpine
School District, but just wanted to give
you a heads up and and and to kind of
lead into the SRO conversation on that
next bullet point, a similar issue. We
know that's currently Alpine, but um
Jason and I have had a few conversations
and we'd love to talk more about that in
the future. So,
>> Adam, would you just share the quick
couple of ideas like to to use that back
area a little bit more and utilize that
for parking?
>> Yeah, our city engineer actually met
with um some of the people here at
Alpine. It's probably been a year and a
half or two years ago. Um, this this
space back here, you can see actually
it's underutilized with parking and
there is a little access road that goes
around the back of the school. And so
we've we've been curious if there's
ability to put more teacher parking back
here perhaps where it frees up some
space out front. Just
>> throwing that out.
a lot of students and where that's
almost kind of a blind corner. They're
concerned about they talked about also
putting having buses do that and then
they could capture that that north
parking lot a little bit better and
utilize that for drop off. But that turn
a school bus just can't do it. It can't
turn that 90
additional parking back.
>> They do use that green space. So they
have a nine square permanent nine square
now um back in that green space and they
are encouraging students to use the
green space between the buildings
>> a little bit more with the new cell
phone policy up [clears throat]
» this is part of the concern right now is
we have a lot of parents that line the
street and we've got kids jumping across
the road way while there's also traffic
going through it and so we'll we'll just
wanted to introduce the issue to you
tonight and then we'll keep talking
about though they know they have that
entrance. There's no exit there anymore.
So that that traffic flow should not be
coming in and out right there. It should
just be going in. And then you should
just have it. And they've encouraged
parents to just drop off actually up at
that that more northern where it's just
grass and not do it in the parking lot
area. So there should be a a cue, but
>> you know do what you tell them to do.
sometimes doesn't work very well. Also,
that back area. So, we have the the
trailers back there. There is a little
bit of parking back in in that on that
northeast corner, but that is also the
that's where students go. So, they come
out that very north end and then they
walk over to the trailers. So, we would
want it makes sense that they keep that
traffic minimized just because there is
>> the road there has had no parking signs
all along that west boundary because the
road isn't wide enough. Yeah. So, I was
talking with Ben about that and it is
it's the the canal is open to about
halfway through where those trees are.
Um, is it possible to pave because I did
I searched the plat map and it's owned
by Ali School District, but is there can
we pave over that area?
>> Could we widen the road a little bit so
there's actual proper parking? You can
see in that photoally parking
>> when you say parking mean standing like
>> they're not parking and going into the
school. Some of them are in the evening,
especially for evening activities. That
whole road says no parking, but it's
filled with people parking and like Adam
said, kids are running across the road
because parents are waiting over there,
but it's a it's an unsized road profile
already.
>> Yeah. So,
>> what because I had been told as just as
a parent that um you oh, we can't pave
over canal, but then we followed that
canal as it goes all the way through
Orum and Pleasant Grove and there's
plenty of places where it's paved over.
It's built over. So I I don't know.
>> Can it be done? Yes, it would be very
expensive because we would have to make
sure that that canal pipe that's
underneath it either supports that
traffic load or is removed.
>> And so there's some footage though like
the grass there was a distance before
the pipe.
>> Not to belabor this, but you're asking
to park vehicles here and then have kids
cross the street. Oh, I my ask would be
to keep it that way and we enforce that
there's no parking there, but to give a
third lane, have a turn lane.
>> We'll have to keep talking about this.
So, I'd love to get our city engineer
involved. So,
>> and the traffic's just going to get
worse with the temple traffic because of
the
>> Exactly.
>> There's going to be a lot of people
accessing the temple through this.
>> So, that leads us into our uh our
resource officer coordination. So,
>> you know, on this item right now, we
just we just wanted to bring it to your
attention that there's some disparity
between what what some of the SRO's are being paid as far as the parent
entity that that hires those SRO's. And
so, it was just bringing that to your
attention. And then our our chief had brought up some additional things
with the agreement that we'd like to see
um addressed or looked at in the future.
And so we can again I think tonight was
just point us in the right direction and
we can start with with your
administrators and superintendent and
>> follow
» uh school resource officer
>> so that's officer
>> but I think you're talking about
comparison of other cities right
>> isn't that is it I was my understanding
it was standard through the district
Just this current fiscal year we're in
there was budget approved to bring all
the cities
but I did check with provo and they're
in the same
but my understanding that's not what the
officers are making that's
from the district.
>> We do appreciate the at all the schools,
but I wor
for a bit then we switched over to
» um All right. So, our parks and rec
director maybe Keith could share about
how love to have a little bit more
collaboration with.
>> Thank you, mayor. Um, you know, Neibo,
speaking of Neibo District, they have
Anita's thing. My colleagues in Nebo
District have keys to the schools
and they the schools have keys and a
usage [clears throat] to the pools for
their swim teams
>> and for those situations. I would hope
I'm sure that or if you just bump them
pleasant and vineyard all of us would be
in the same they don't even really keep
track of what you rented what we rented
they just kind of get together and sum
it up well you used a lot more than us
and maybe we ought to have a little
money but if that's working in neibo uh
we would love and we've been to ASD
several times as parks directors in the
last five or seven years and met with
their assigned person for that they
didn't interested in it. We actually
brought someone from MEO to help explain
it and there wasn't much interest there
from the current folks, but if we could
just look at that and see if we could
just be a real good partner and we take
care of the janitor service and city,
you know, we just be a really good
partner. We clean up. We take care of
the buildings as if they were ours and
the school district would do the same
for facilities that they need from us.
In Limon, it'll be a little different.
We don't have a lot that the school
district wants, but we also don't have a
high school. So, we've got a junior high
gym and and a couple elementary gyms.
So, we wouldn't have a big ask either,
but uh maybe
>> what is currently utilized between with
Lynon Parks and Wreck and
>> we use Oak Canyon quite a bit and then
we use
>> you use just the gym space or do you use
any field space?
>> We do use we don't use any field space.
>> Okay. We'd love to but we haven't used
that in big field but also the
auditorium we've used.
>> Okay.
>> Um and then the elementary mostly Lynon
Elementary it's close by us and we've
been able to drop over there and have a
basketball league over there. Principles
have been great. Kate Ross is
outstanding.
>> She's been really helpful to us. But uh
it could be a little easier and smoother
for both I think if we could just figure
and then years ago if I just One more
thing. Years ago, the school district, I
don't know if they did it inadvertently
or not, but it seemed that they put like
the uh AAOU basketball as a priority
ahead of the city rec programs. So,
those those groups were getting priority
gym time because of the revenue, I'm
sure, but that really hurts us for
charging $30 a kid for recreation
basketball.
>> And is it safe to say that you guys are
increasing your more of your fields? It
seems like like
>> Yeah, we we're always building.
>> Yeah, we had about 600 700 kids in
basketball. Maybe not quite seven, but
650 in basketball, but our soccer is 12
or 1100 right around there kids. So,
we're we're we're growing. We service a
lot of South Orum and and some of
Pleasant Grove.
>> So many of our kids aren't so many of
our kids bleed over into schools in
other cities that these aren't.
>> So, I don't think this is a Lyndon ask.
I think if you ask the other cities,
yeah, the the other directors, well,
we're all on the same page. It would
just be like maybe Neibo handles that. I
don't know the exact details, but it's
more of a partnership than you rent from
me and I'll rent from you and then my
rates go up and your rates go down and
so we could just maybe look into that in
the future.
>> And we have collaborated with Nebo. I
have anyway with their president down
there. So I will who is it that we would
talk to if we vote you know
>> you know I have to admit I think I would
pass this off well I have a couple
colleagues in Springville in the city of
Springville and I don't because we don't
have a big ask for schools I don't know
the contact person right now
>> but the
>> yeah and there's this just been when my
colleague jingles the keys to the
schools and says well we don't have to
have that much that we do as a city that
I mean maybe we can all mention a couple
things that we contribute to the schools
is you know elementary this just a few
months ago we had they had an emergency
drill and acting like a if there was you
know an active shooter and they used our
community center as the place for
parents to pick up and kind of have the
operations there. So you [clears throat]
know our community center is very
interchangeable.
We also do many grants to all the
teachers out of our budget every year.
We I think how many how many grants did
we get? 22
teachers that they can apply for Aspen
Oak Canyon all thearies. So, um,
>> Jen, I'm happy to to find out from my
colleagues who
>> that
Yeah, I'm happy to find that out. And
when Kate was at this school here, Kate
Ross was here at this school, she'd call
me up and she'd say, "Proble with my
gym. I got to send come on over." And
that was a really great partnership. And
she we just it was so slick, so nice.
instead of worrying about too much of
the fee schedule to be honest with you.
>> And a lot of the kids at the last week
of school, they call up heat and they
come have a swim day.
» If it's snowing the last
we've tried to do parties sometimes
like, oh, it's 53 degrees. We're not
gonna go [laughter] to
>> Okay. All right. So, update on the
potential tsd admin office. We've heard
some
So, um, as it sits right now, we are
looking to utilize our current campus
there in that we have in Lynon. So,
we're looking at different storage
facility.
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. So, that we're just
calling that our Lynon. So, it houses
physical facilities now and um
technology and purchasing. So, that's
where Joe and Karen and Jason have their
offices is in in that building right
there. Uh, 490 North State. And there's
a good piece of land in front to build
and expand.
>> Yeah. So, so that's that's our our
thinking right now. So, and there's a
lot of space behind. Um
Yeah, that's actually being used a lot.
They that's where the main facilities
for Alpine School District is housed.
They have their they have a whole almost
business thing happening back there with
electrician, HVAC, plumbing.
carpeting carpentry.
>> Um yeah, so um really great asset that
we're we're taking
and we we were we have ideas on how to
make
» we love that it's we love that it's
centrally located. It's on State Street.
So I mean there's it's we just think
that's that's a good location. Is there
you need from the city in regards to
this.
>> Is there a height regulation?
>> Yeah, zoning as far as
» stories.
Is that including any steeples we put on
it? [laughter]
>> We have to have two steeples.
>> Now, if you do have any site planning
issues or questions on utilities, Mike
Lawrence with our community development
office
to Enter through the lower side of our
building just down here on the lower
parking lot.
» Do you have a city plan as far as
planning for the future plan?
>> I mean, I think that road was originally
planned to connect all the way through.
I don't
property there is for sale.
adjacent to that
>> loc.
» It's a It's a residential. The res the
resto right hand corner.
>> Stray Sandra.
>> It's the Sandra.
>> Okay.
>> Bottom right. the bottom.
>> Yeah. And then the uh along State
Street, so the southwest
end
>> there. I've I've heard that some the
owner of that is planning to develop or
do something there. I don't know if you
want
something.
>> Do you have any updates on that? Our
goal is to put something that's gonna
be attractive and would be an asset to
the city of London. So
» we're going to call our home.
>> That's right.
>> District seat, right? [laughter]
>> We're hoping that you put in a Maverick
close to that.
» [laughter]
>> That's a very temp that's an example of
a very temporary need. We're thinking
long term. [laughter]
>> There is a swig and a fizz
>> block south.
>> They're on 400 North.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. They talked about putting a gas
station there early, but the wife of the
person who owns it said he would need to
find a new wife. So, it's possible.
[laughter]
>> I don't that they still own it. I I've
heard that the ownership may have
switched hands now. Are they
>> It was It was the same people that
>> was
not
pizza factory.
have that little rodeo ranch.
» We will need to have it completed by the
time we have employees. We need to have
a place to put our employees. So,
>> so we're hoping within our plan is
within a year
>> year plus.
Um, okay. So, hey, we are getting
through this.
» I looked at this and I was like, there's
no way.
>> Like, there's no way.
>> There's a way.
>> Okay. So, future meeting schedule, we
would love to, you know, coordinate,
collaborate.
I know you mentioned in the past um in
the beginning sometimes
quarterly by annually what yeah whatever the council would like we are
meeting with ORM so we did a couple
weeks ago tax day and they we came to an
agreement that we would do it three
times a year so every four months but we
are
it might be more appropriate for us to
do it more often there
>> [laughter]
>> that goes along with it.
[laughter]
>> Now, you do know that London is the um
the high elves of it is the capital of
the higher. [laughter]
» Okay. [laughter]
» [laughter]
» All right. Anyway,
>> so yeah,
I mean
>> I mean we can play by ear or we can just
council staff.
>> I think what we think
suggested since there were four cities
that we were coordinating with that we
could do one a month and hit everyone
throughout the year.
My thought was to get like
in my brain I was thinking okay each
quarter there's three months so we'd hit
each city and then double up one of the
months but then so when they wanted to
do it three times a year I was like okay
that's fine I didn't push the issue
>> totally
>> three times a year would be once with
every four cities per month just
>> well we just have a meeting month but it
hasn't h
hasn't really happened that way because
we're going to double up in Okay. And so
>> I imagine that there's going to be
>> I know you're still figuring out the
boundary study thing, but I would highly
encourage that there's lots of meetings
>> and when we can come here. I don't know
if you plan to do it in the different
cities.
>> We really want to make sure people feel
like, and I liked your comment, early,
not towards the end, that they're
involved all the way. the transparency
comment that that's going to be critical
>> and and from the budget type of a thing.
Everything we're doing to save money is
be the things I think to focus on as
well to make sure people know those I
know they are but it's helpful when
people hear
>> and I'm going to push back on you Van
because we're going to focus on the best
teaching and learning experiences for
our teachers for our kids and any
budgetary savings is going to be a side
effect. that's not going to be our our
main focus. Our main focus of this board
and I think of our staff is going to be
providing the best education. We have
three new districts that are going to be
in close geographical proximity. So, and
one of and I've talked with Carolyn
about this before. We want to attract
our students back and so we're focused
on on doing
>> on doing that the best way solve the
revenue issue is attracting back people
who have chosen other education
platforms
>> and Lindon that's there's a big example
of that.
>> So um
>> so that's what you're going to hear our
focus is going to be a lot on what is
creating the best schools what is that
going to look like and I agree that
there's going to be some cost savings
that will come along with that, but
that's not going to be our why. Our why
is what is going to be best for teaching
our students.
>> To to Van's point though about the
meetings and possibly even having a
meeting here, one of the things I
appreciated about our visit with Orum is
they talked about
using ORM's communications platforms to
help get our message out. And so those types of things would be really
helpful as well. Um I think anytime we
can get as many stakeholders and you
guys are obviously very influential
stakeholders,
you know, helping promote a message of
this is about robust schools and
>> positive,
>> right? And and that's going to help
because it's no matter what we do with
any kind of consolidation, it's going to
be high emotion.
>> Yes, it will be. It's challenging.
>> So how we do it matters and we the
messaging getting everyone on board,
feeling heard and on board. And I just
have to to to give Van some kudos. I
think to what Van is speaking to and
what this council demonstrates, what
this staff demonstrates is in Lynon, we
are small town, big amenities, but we
often find out of the box solutions to
minimize raising taxes and fees, but not
compromise service and quality of life
in our community. So, I think that's I
think that's the spirit of the message.
>> Absolutely. the student experience.
That's why we do this.
>> It's it's really easy to raise a tax and
a fee versus just dig deep and find ways
to justize and still get a great
>> Well, that's what I'm excited about with
um you know, the way Joe has set up his structure is it's hyper it's super
focused on that teaching and learning.
And what that actually does is there
could be some savings costwise as far as
having a smaller district
some smaller district staff and just
replicating everything that we need and
you know replicating what ASD has done
and so his his attention at having these
this we call him the super six so it was
the first six hires that he did um they
also are going to be supervising schools
so that takes out a layer of supervisors
that ASD currently has just because of
their size that they have the cabinet
level then they have supervisors then
you have the schools
>> that's a great
>> so so we are we're trying to think
outside the box and it also puts district very close to
schools which sometimes that distance
creates some issues. Something that I
think I've heard and I'm sure you're
hearing and will hear is um when it
became a east versus west kind of tribal
situation before the split, you know, um
a lot of people here are saying we still
want to have we don't want these big
giant magnet schools that everyone's
commuting to and driving to and then
they're huge. We still want to have that
balance of the walkable bikable for the
children neighborhood schools. They
really are an asset in the what they do
for quality of life and economic
prosperity and just the kids having that
maker. So we hope that the mindset for
this district will be not gigantic super
schools that are everyone has a drive to
but
we understand there's going to
potentially be some property boundary
shuffling the deck whatever but
>> I've understood when you talk about
schools that the concept I've understood
it.
>> Yeah. Is being able to provide
>> robust schools. You got everything in
that area.
>> Being able to provide like we're looking
at specialty and programs and
bulk of our payments or our costs as a
district are going to be people, right?
And we want to maximize that. Not don't
maximize that we're going to make huge
schools, but it's just maximizing each
property to be able to impact each
student's learning at the highest level.
So, we want our students to have choice.
And sometimes when our schools get so
small, they don't have choices.
» You get a small school,
>> you can't have art and music and PE as a
specialty. And so, impacts the whole
school, all the kids and the teachers.
>> And sometimes principles are forced to
make those hard decisions whether he
combines he or she combines grades which
is the worst
math this year next year is going to
have a first second grade split. So you
will have a class that has half first
graders and half graders [clears throat]
and that teacher has to try to manage
that and that is a function of it's a
small school and they don't have as much
population.
>> These are all things that we want to
discuss in public.
>> Part of the criteria,
>> it's going to be part of the criteria
that we're looking at as we're crafting
this whole
framework on how we're going to be
looking through the lens through which
we're
>> kind of what what student populations
and I I love that you said too, you
won't necessarily be like what's the
population these schools will have in
2027 or 2028. Yeah.
>> But what's a starting point that we can
at least make sense financially, but I'm
assuming we're going to grow because
we're going to win back some of the
families that have left
>> public ed and then right
and um so I didn't mention it in our
accomplishments, but I'm very proud of
us for having done this. So I want to
mention it maybe we can end with it.
But um we visited as a board holy um we noticed our field trips and we
visited every physical facility in our
area plus a couple in Aspen Peaks area.
Um we made the decision early on that we
can't make decisions about properties
we've never seen.
Informed our understanding in so many
ways to actually have boots on the
ground at all. Now currently we're in
the middle of doing our vision tour.
call it. Um Joe is presenting our vision
for the district at each school to a
group of administrators, the teachers or
staff, uh students, which has been so
fun. And um parents,
they're involved there in the school as
we've been trying to craft our vision.
So that's something that we're almost
done with. I think we're we did finished
19
>> 18 today 18 of 29. So
>> I don't know.
We're not we're not visiting the special
school right now.
>> David,
>> can I just mention Carolyn? I I would
really be interested in the future in in
your city and your goals, your
priorities
>> and how we might be able to support each
other.
>> Oh, that would be wonderful.
>> In that way, just a little more about
>> Let's get together again soon. It sounds
like there's, you know, we're excited
that this will be the admin home and uh
obviously as you're getting information,
let's let's keep meeting frequently at
least in
>> three times a year. Does that sound
good?
>> Fantastic.
>> Who is your communication?
» Okay.
» And Cole's our leazison from a city
council standpoint with
>> I'm sure you have contactary
Adam, you know you have Karen's info,
right? That's how we organize this.
» Pretty much dissolved.
» Awesome.
[laughter]
>> I'm creating new position.
>> If I could
>> add it to your council responsibility
school, you add it to the list.
>> Mayor, if I could for the um for the
board, uh Lynon Elementary is is right
next to our campus, right? We have this
Lyndon campus here and so we're we're
very interested in the future of Lynen
Elementary. A lot of our uh residents go
there.
Want to just invite you to open that
conversation um with us early and often.
You know what your thoughts are there
and love that you're on the tour. Love
that you're looking at it and just keep
us informed and we'll keep you informed
as well.
>> I've I've been to Lynon Elementaryund
times in my career when I worked for
Alpine and this board tour. I never knew
until we did this,
>> the amphitheater.
That's awesome.
>> That's from the old school,
>> the old London Elementary.
>> Okay.
>> And then we drove by it. I don't know
who I was with a couple days ago. We
drove by it. Maybe we ran by it and saw
it from the back end. Like it's like,
"Oh, it's right there." Was that you and
I or Yeah.
>> It's a huge field.
>> Yeah. An asset maybe.
But
>> you guys want to buy it?
>> Well, that's where I I feel like we need
to really coordinate closely.
>> Yes. And because that school is part of
our campus, we've actually held off on
either rebuilding or upgrading our
community center, which has seismic
issues. Um we're kind of saving a
contingency fund, just kind of waiting
to determine what's happening with that
property across the street. Originally
when there was word maybe ASD would
rebuild again. We were waiting to see
how to coordinate best
>> or if it's a disposed. I think the city
would be interested in
that looks like for the city to acquire
it. But obviously I think a lot of
families are hoping.
We'll see as you do that public input
and you do your Moab, right? Um where
that goes. Keep We'd love to keep in
close contact for sure. So you guys will
figure out what we need to do
>> on my speed. I got on my speed. Well,
and I I I really in relation to the
boundary study because that's what's
going to be generating a lot of interest
and understandably and necessarily. So,
it's really important that we
communicate and I hope that you will
communicate as well that we everything
is on the table and no decisions have
been made.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we we aren't approaching this with
oh I I I we really know we're going to
do this this this and this but we have
to go through this like nope.
>> Everything is being considered
>> and we have not
So we we want to hear what people are
thinking, how they're feeling, and we
would appreciate that if if you could
communicate that as well in the
opportunities that that is genuine on
all of our parts.
>> And and it's exactly that that why it's
so important we have that criteria up
front because we're going to make better
decisions if we have a criteria to
follow rather than we're just saying
schools that are this size
>> because there may be a school that
context, it's perfect at 500, but it's
better for this school to be 754.
>> If your city's going to grow, you
mentioned students coming back, but do
you have growth areas that you know we
need to know about?
>> People make decisions about where
they're going to build, where they're
going to live on schools.
>> So, purchase some property on the west
side of London for a future.
So, as you're touring,
>> we've already been there.
>> We've been there.
>> That was that was early days. In fact, I
don't think we hadn't even hired Joe and
Jason when we went that
>> So, they need to do that.
>> Are you going to add it to the district?
» There's some parents who have said to me
if Lyn has to for whatever reason be
disposed of, they would love to see that
West school stood up. So there's a clean
transition to progress over there.
>> Say that again.
>> If in the past I'm just saying some
opinion was and I I don't want to speak
out of term but when elementary has been
on the closure list for a number of
years. So there's a lot of families that
are very the alll program is doing
amazing there. But that's caused some
families to not enroll in Lynon
Elementary because they think it's been
on this closure discussion for six
years. Um but who are very invested in
Lynon Elementary were very happy to hear
that maybe there would be a school in
Anderson Farms that could transition to
all you know whatever happens there
kind of made um a commitment that we're
going to our decisions the major
decisions will be made by December I
think that's something that we talked
about that unknown for teachers and
for for teachers and for students and
families. It's that
>> and we're we're trying to come in and do
this the right way and do but do it
quickly and be able to let people know
so that as they're making decisions
>> they have
they know the road. Yeah. They have
their options laid out.
» Comments from my board.
>> Oh my gosh, we finished a minute early.
[laughter]
Is your council meeting at 6:30?
>> We start at 5:15 normally, but we're
going to go into our regular council
session now.
>> Thank you so very
I'm ready for
» start.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Awesome.
I'm gonna cry.
» Let's just do it right now. Let's do it.
>> So nice just collaborating and
connecting.
Welcome back.
>> How was Macedonia?
» It'll be
sitting there with three of us.
happen
down there.
>> Thank you.
want to go first or you want
>> No, I want
first.
Can I stand up?
» I said
It's
» all AI, man.
>> Crazy.
You have any questions?
» Somebody walked off.
All right. Thanks, buddy.
What was mentioned there?
No jerky today.
» I don't know.
Sorry.
» Yeah.
We'll
transfer transfer.
» And then everybody's going, "Well, I
can't I can't open word perfect. I can
only use Word." So, I had to convert to
Word. I hate it.
>> And now we're just
so good.
reason
what's another
which Phil was really good at but it
took him a while to get
>> yeah I agree
this is lots of money
and easier
I'm willing to do it right and I want to
do it right
>> and and it's hard because I'm getting
one side of the story you I mean,
>> but I know that he kind of has a
reputation
» you heard me make my comments when he
was here.
>> And I didn't know about your text, you
know, but that was going to come, but
that was kind of we're still moving.
>> It was interesting because you said that
just a bunch
because of that comment. I had that same
I'll say hi to
you guys.
temple tomorrow morning.
» She's going to be here.
>> All right, welcome everybody. Uh we just
con concluded a work session with our
new Typanoga school district board and
staff and um a lot of exciting things
coming on. Um it looks like Lynen City
will be the home of the new uh school
district headquarters ad admin location.
And so that work session was a public
meeting and um if you're interested in
some of the topics that were discussed
uh but we will now commence we had a
short recess as they were exiting and we
will now commence with our regular the
rest of our city council meeting here
for May 4th. May the fourth be with you
[laughter] here in the Lynen City
Council chambers. And I've we have some
fun visuals here that I'm going to ask
our admin to put up after the prayer.
[laughter] So anyway,
>> should be more.
>> We might need help. [laughter]
Um anyway, we're going to go ahead and
begin. My name is uh Mayor Carolyn
Lindberg and I'll be conducting this
evening. I'm grateful for a full quorum
here of our council here in the Lynen
city chambers. And uh we will first
begin with an invocation by council
member Van Brick and that will be
followed by a pledge of allegiance led
by Steve Kaposi.
» Our heavenly father, we're grateful for
the many blessings that was given us.
We're grateful for this great country
that we live in and for our community
here in Lynon. grateful for each of the
residents that live here and for their
contributions to making this such a
great place to live. We are grateful for
our our staff uh our first responders
and those who work so hard to serve the
citizens of Lyndon and our community.
Please bless and be with them and keep
them safe and in their responsibilities.
We'd invite thy spirit to be with us now
as we discuss the items on the agenda
that we can make good informed decisions
and be uh have mutual respect and
dignified dialogue one with another. And
we say this in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
>> Amen.
To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.
» Okay, guys. Where's your lightsabers?
[laughter]
I love it.
>> Wow. I love it.
>> Actually, are we doing this?
>> This was my father-in-law's. He He
served a mission in Japan back in the
1940s. This is actually a genuine I
>> kimono
>> for the men for a man.
>> So anyway,
>> but it fits your costume.
>> Look, look, look, look, look. [laughter]
>> That's uh
>> I don't have a a don't have that
costume.
>> Am I the only one from the dark side?
[laughter] a little
>> I'm worried about me on the dark side. I
had to put the lightsaber [laughter] in
there cuz I
>> change it to blue just for you.
>> But you got to show some of the other
pictures in the staff report.
>> So, Adam did this. It's so clever.
>> There unless you really want to show
them off. It's
>> show the header. Show the header though.
You skipped that.
>> The very first.
>> We have a new logo here.
>> That's our new city logo.
>> There we go.
>> Far far away. [laughter]
>> Okay.
bit here.
>> Okay. All right. So, uh we will now
start with our agenda. These can be
found at the entrance there if you'd
like to follow along. I'd like to
welcome those that are online as well as
those that are present here today. And
we'll start with our roll call. So, I'll
start here on my right. [clears throat]
>> Steve Stewart present.
>> JY present.
>> Le present.
>> Cole Hulie present.
>> Lincoln Jacobs present.
>> Van Brick present.
>> Okay. Wonderful. And then if if there
are any presentations and announcements
from council. I don't know if we have
any from staff this evening.
>> Nothing tonight.
>> Wonderful. This takes us to item number
three on the agenda, which is our open
session for public comment on anything
that is not on tonight's agenda. So, I
know we have some guests in the room and
I feel like Mayor Kussi, former Mayor
Kussi here and former council member
friends. Who wants to go first? David
Spencer. Okay, ladies first. [laughter]
>> And Mayor Kafusser.
» Mayor Kussy nodding her head as I I feel
like I'm a little bit, you know, I have
to be watch my P's and Q's. You are
perfect, madame mayor
[laughter and clears throat]
and honorable council members. My name
is Michelle Kafussi and I did have the
honor and privilege of working with a
lot of you. I mean, from the league and
all the other opportunities we've had to
collaborate together and we just love
London. I love your chief of police. I
mean, just so many great relationships
with you. And as uh Mayor Lumbberg
stated, I am here because there is an
election coming up on June 23rd, the
primary for the county commission.
There's two seats. We only have three
county commissioners and seat A and seat
B are up right now. And I am running for
seat A. And I know I Mayor Lumbberg
needs to just walk me up center street
in Provo and drop me off because
[laughter] why do I keep doing this? And
I I was just sharing with your chief, my
boys were helping me load the truck to
go to an event and one of them stopped
and said, "Mom, do you just love public
ridicule? What is [laughter] wrong with
you?" I said, "I don't know." I tried to
sit still and calm the world inside me.
>> All of us have the same trauma bond.
What is wrong? [laughter]
>> But I really do. I love people problems
and I love people and I love helping
them solve their problems. and I feel
like I've got the energy and the desire
to keep giving back. So, I am just here
to introduce myself and ask you to look
for my name on the ballot. It will come
out on June 4th in your mailbox. So,
here we go again. [laughter]
>> Awesome.
>> Thank you.
so much. Glad you're here for
>> all your work on the Provo airport. We
flew out of there two weeks ago. My
whole family, it is phen. We flew all
the way to Europe. From Provo to Europe.
It's incredible. Great work.
>> Look at me. I'm getting goosebumps.
This is what is what is wrong with me
guys. Respects over infrastructure
[laughter]
nerd out over that [clears throat] kind
of stuff.
>> All right. Thank you. And Mayor Kussi in
her time as mayor. She served on over 16
different boards throughout the state.
She wasn't just mayoring Provo. She was
advocating in really an incredible
servant statewide, nationwide. I would
say even globally potentially some of
the things that she touched. So huge
talent there. All right, welcome.
>> So I I'm David Spencer, uh, mayor and
council. Um, I was on the city or city
council for 12 years and I didn't get
elected in December, so lost by 200
votes. So I decided to throw my hat in
the ring for Utah County Commissioner
seat B. And uh the concern I have with
the county is
in the [snorts] 12 years I was on the
council, I didn't have one commissioner
come to ORM and ask what our needs were.
And I think that's a that's a a misstep
on their part where they represent the
citizens plus they represent the cities
in Utah County. So I feel that my plan
is I want to go to every city, look at
your master plan, your transportation
plan, see what your needs are, and then
be able to because I believe that uh
Utah County were fragmented.
everybody's doing their own thing. So,
if we can get on the same page, then we
can go to the legislature and really
fight for dollars for Utah County. And I
believe that the legislature, the uh the
leadership is pretty much in in Davis
County, so they get a lot of the money,
right? So,
Utah County is the fastest growing
county, right? So, we need to make sure
that we get the dollars for our cities
in Utah County. Um, I have a lot of good
ideas. There's a transparency port I
want to bring to the county because
>> [clears throat]
>> county commissioners now you don't even
know if they go to their meetings how do
they vote you know are they traveling
foolishly when if you're a Utah county
commissioner
you should stay in Utah county or go to
let's say legisl you need to go to back
to Washington because that's why you
have congressmen and senators so I'm
here to represent the cities you know I
love warm I love Lynon I remember I
spoke at your Lynon city council way
back in the day with the utopia but I'm
here to serve the people and uh make
sure that we come together as cities.
But hopefully you'll see my name on the
ballot June 23rd and I'm David Spencer.
Hope I can get your vote. Thank you.
>> Welcome.
>> Thank you so much.
>> David, what if each of you who's
currently filling each seat you're
running for if you don't mind?
>> So a million powers I think is seat A
>> and then Brandon Gordon is se they're
not running
>> and neither are running.
>> The incumbents are retiring.
>> No incumbents. So we have three people
running for CB. I won the convention at
52% but didn't get 60. So we have a
writing candidate which they'll be on
the ballot. So there
>> so yeah it's fun.
I was on for 12 years so campaigning was
a little different animal in the city
compared to the county.
>> And maybe you could talk a little bit. I
know you're been a huge partner
proponent with the first responders and
ORM and we have this interlocal
agreement with ORM Lindon Vineyard and
you are kind of the the main liaison guy
for OMC on all that.
>> I support the first responders 100%
because they keep us safe and we have to
make sure that our citizens are safe
because that's your police, fire, water,
roads and sewer. That's the city's
responsibility for the citizens and that
that's the top of the list. So I think
as ORM we have a great police department
and a fire department and you use Orm's
fire department and they're the best and
um we're glad that we can keep you know
Lyndon citizens safe but I am a I'm pro
first responders because they put their
life on the line every day and they
might not come home to their families
because they they gave their life. So
very important that we have to make sure
we we keep them safe and we give them
money they need to help us be safe. So
thank you.
>> All right. Thank you for coming, both of
you.
>> Um, we know it's a lot of work away from
your families right now to try to step
up and serve. So, thank you so much for
coming and and being willing to come to
the small town of London.
>> I'm glad we didn't have a clock because
normally there's a clock. [laughter]
>> Oh, no pressure. We're We're not high
pressure like that.
>> There's just a door underneath. You're
good. [laughter]
You were right on time.
>> See you. Thank you.
>> Thanks. All right. I think if you could
call if there's any other public
comment. There might be
>> I'm going to invite that right now. If
there's any other public comment, please
come forward and state your name and
make sure you sign in there on the
table. Thank you.
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, my name is Brian
Lozo and I live in Oram, Utah. And I'm
actually I'm glad to be speaking today
because I lived in Provo at the time.
Michelle Kussi was mayor and my parents
who live um by one of the temples could
kept talking about her and Dave Spencer
actually assisted in my current
apartment in Oram, the driveway being
fixed. Um so I really appreciate and I
do think he is someone who um stands by
his word and the citizens of Utah
County. And I would I I can't say enough
how good of a job you're all doing in
Lynen and and I love the model that
you've held in Utah County for getting
results for citizens and that's what I
want to talk about today. I spoke
earlier the previous month because I
felt like the voice of the youth needs
to be heard and instead of division we
need to be collaborating together. And
with the recent events of the Trump
assassination and the gas prices being
increased, espec including here due to
the Iran war, I feel like my voice does
need to be heard again. And I wanted to
make three points today. Um the first
one was a culture of safety. And I feel
like at this time it's important for us
to come together and to bond on our
shared goals and to and to really look
out for each other's security and safety
and and maintain a culture of safety,
meaning we all get together and care
about each other and each other's shared
issues. And
the second point is what I feel the
city's already doing the energy and
resource issue. We condemn international
violence but not because we want to get
into fights with the entire world but
because we want to focus on local issues
and not allow distant conflicts to bring
us down the drain. every dollar of the
and of every gallon of gas counts during
these troubling times. And the last
point I wanted to make is about refusing
to allow the outside world to consume
our sovereignty. Um, Lyndon is a great
place and I I love driving here, going
to shop here and
it these outside conflicts can really
allow us to stop thinking about local
issues and our own local freedoms. And I
feel like we've all seen those things
before. and the future of a city will
not be a side effect of global markets
if we dictate our own destiny. Um, I
feel like this is a moment where we need
to remember um our local communities and
to for the city to continue getting the
results they've been getting and talking
to my local officials to maybe get give
them those ideas
um and to not let um outside results take
away the progress that we've been
making. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you so much. Any other
public comment tonight?
All right, seeing none, we will move on
to our council reports and
which end wants to arm wrestle to start
us off here.
>> I will start.
>> Thank you.
>> Uh the the league meetings in St.
George, we're great and wonderful,
always helpful, things that we learn and
help us to become uh
better at our jobs and the trust that's
been afforded to us by being members of
the city council and mayor. Love those
relationships that we are able to
continue and develop and always find
ideas for good practices and so fun to
have everybody go that went. Uh, also
hopefully this week at the cemetery
there'll be some sod going in and some
trees going in. If the weather holds
good and the schedule goes right, we'll
maybe see that this week. So, I'm
keeping an eye on that and we'll see how
it goes. But, I think it was supposed to
start Tuesday or Wednesday this week.
[clears throat] That's it.
>> Great. All right, Lincoln.
>> We always have so much going on with our
parks and wrecks. Uh, our watering will
begin in our parks. Um, but keep in mind
we are at a questionable water year. So
there might be some yellowing. Please
let your residents know that we're
trying to conserve water and so some of
the grass might not be getting quite as
much as as uh it has in the past. Um,
some people criticize our our um our own
parks watering that it doesn't fit the
schedules that they've indicated to the
residents. Some of our parks have so
much watering to do that sometimes it
goes a little bit longer, but but that's
the reason why there's only so much that
we can physically do at a time.
>> Have we put smart clocks on all of our
parks yet?
>> About 80%.
About 85% now this year. The other
percent I don't think we can. They're just little spots in little
obscure places.
>> Okay. I hope I represented that first
paragraph well.
>> [clears throat]
>> Sports programs are going strong with
baseball getting ready to start our
T-ball, coach pitch, machine pitch, and
kid pitch league. Say that really fast.
We'll be at the City Center Park this
year instead of Fezenbrook Park. Uh the
next special event for the city is June
3rd, our summer kickoff. So, more more
details coming soon on that.
>> Um CTC, Historic Commission, Treeboard
are all doing great. The Arbor Day
celebration was awesome. really good
time. And um for the arts committee,
just to give you all an update, we
several weeks ago, a handful of us met
to discuss next steps. And the next step
was to pull in a few residents just to
get some ideas of what the arts
committee could do or look like. And so
it's still early formation discussions.
» Thank you. All right, Jake.
>> Uh a couple quick updates.
um from the PD. Uh our God, let me get
right back to that. Our uh
our our K9 officer went through uh
completed patrol dog school with Officer
Harmon and they uh graduated top of
their class. So, we're always proud of
Officer Harmon and our uh K9 officer. Um
and then and then just an announcement
for this group of our um May 11th awards
banquet for our PD. Please RSVP if you
haven't already.
>> What was that, Chief?
>> Let me check. It might be the 13th. Hang
on.
>> Sorry. Wednesday.
>> 13th.
>> Le astray. No worries.
>> Are you wanting an RSVP then?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> We're coming.
Um, awesome. And and then two weeks ago,
I I brought up uh sponsorships for Lynen
Days. Uh Heath and I this week secured
one, we think, for the fireworks. We're
excited about that. Um certainly within
the council's realm to be out there
asking businesses to help the city. So
that's all I have.
>> Okay. I think I reported last time about
our youth council that we had 22 members
now, up from 18 this year, and we
started at 13 a few years ago. So, it's
definitely a growing and and I'll call
it robust since that's the word of the
day today [laughter]
program. And we have a solid group of
young people that are going to be
helping us. On the 18th, our next
council meeting will be introducing the
new council to this council. They're
looking forward to that. Um, and then
they will uh be going out and planting
flowers in the city cemetery in
preparation for the Memorial Day program
which will be on May 25th at 9:00 a.m.
at the city cemetery. and we're looking
forward to participating in that with
our youth council and with everyone
else. We love that program and everybody
involved. And I'd just like to make a
note that really enjoyed our our Utah
League of Cities and Towns midyear
conference in St. George with most of
you. I think almost all of us are there
and really enjoyed that time of learning
and and camaraderie.
>> Thank you so much. You all do so great
with your liaison assignments and
reports.
Uh we had um NextGen Motors did their
ribbon cutting. Thank you for those who
were able to come. I know it was it was
on a a busy night. Um but they're doing fantastic um and doing
great sales already. Um something
communitywide of note is the uh Lynen
City Temple dedication this Sunday that
incorporated um residents in part of PG
Pleasant Grove as well as ORM. So, that
was a pretty significant event. Um,
thank you again to Chief and all the
staff that um that was a a lot of um
service and coordination and um a lot of
hard work to just pull off having nearly
300,000 visitors come for that. Um
we also had uh
interestingly Pleasant Grove City had a
special uh presentation of um a
photography collection that was really
quite fascinating. I should have made a
note of the there was a gentleman a
hundred years ago who just bought this
amazing camera and he just had an
artistic eye and he took a lot of
historical photos and I went because I
wanted to see what did he catch about
Lyndon and there was potentially and our
um historian Brett Swberg was there so I
was like okay we're good Brett's on it.
So, um, anyways, pretty interesting
collection. The family had donated to
BYU and then a a a lady just out of her
own passion went and just has digit is
going to digitize the whole thing and
published a book about it. And so, it's
really fascinating to see our
community's um images that don't exist,
many buildings anymore, and just what
life was like back in the day. So, um,
looking forward and our museum just
continues to have incredible, um,
displays and donations that our historic
committee is working on. So, lots of
thanks to them. There's also,
um, a Lynden Yard of the summer um,
nomination process that's going to be
happening. Um, so we'd love to encourage
just people wanting to beautify their
properties and their homes and get some
recognition going for that. So there's a
wonderful newsletter that comes out
every month. Um, it doesn't mail to each
home. Um, can people still pick up a
hard copy here at the city center if
they want a hard copy or you can opt in
to get it by email. So that just has all
we just have constant amazing activities
and initiatives that are going on that
and education um for the community. So
encourage them to do that.
All right, we will now turn the time
over to our administrators report.
>> Thanks for being good sports on uh Star
Wars Day, May 4th [laughter] here. So um
we need Eagle Mountain posted a picture
very similar to this with their council,
but you guys do it much better.
[laughter]
who are at best.
>> You're better at AI.
>> Yeah, all AI. So, uh we're continuing on
here and making sure we all get equally
embarrassed. So, [laughter]
um just an FYI, we've got our live
streaming fixed on these meetings. So,
this meeting's back on YouTube. We
missed about a month and a half there,
but uh that got fixed today. So, it
looks like it's working again for us.
So, um, on the sewer treatment fee
update, we met with ORUM and their their
staff and, you know, we had that
discussion partner versus customer. Uh,
I very much felt that they were partners
in this meeting. It was refreshing and I
think they've they've made an effort uh
to try to make sure that we feel that
way. uh even so much that things such as
hey if we have to we have a large amount
of money that we'll be needing to pay
back uh where they're using cash that
they've saved um and they're willing to
just match or it's the public
treasurer's investment fund PTI where
we're able to put money into a state
fund that earns an interest rate it's
actually what the state dictates we all
of our general fund our savings and
everything is in this PTI fund and they
even went so far as to say we'll just
charge that. So, they aren't trying to
mark up an interest rate to be repaid
which was again very refreshing. So, um
some positive moves there. We'll keep uh
you informed as Noah is looking at some
options to try to lessen the burden on
residential uh fee increases and see how
we can make sure that all different uses
and different zoning uh in the city are
equally uh treated as far as the sewer
processing and treatment that we have to
perform. So um May newsletter, we've got
you down there, Steve. And then June is
Heath. So, thanks. And then, uh, just
some dates there for Memorial Day and a
meeting coming up in June. And then we
mentioned this, uh, Wednesday, May 13th,
meeting with Chief Brower and his
department. So,
any questions on any of that?
If not, that's all I have. Mayor,
thanks.
>> Thank you. Right. Item number six is the
approval of the minutes from our council
meeting dated April 20th, 2026.
So, if you've had a moment,
>> I've reviewed them. And if the council
doesn't have any changes, I'd like to
make a motion that we approve the city
council minutes from April 20th, 2026.
>> Second.
>> Have a motion by council member Hoy,
seconded by council member Jacobs. All
in favor?
>> I.
>> Okay. Minutes are approved. Thank you.
Uh just really quick before you move on,
just an FYI, um just wanted to make you
aware that we do use um some AI software
to help produce the minutes. Britney has
fully embraced that and has greatly
increased efficiency. Um but just an FYI
that uh that helps produce a large
amount of what we do now. So trying to
embrace that new technology to be more
efficient.
>> Close sessions as well.
>> Okay.
Smart.
>> All right. Very good.
>> Thank you.
>> There are no consent agenda items this
time. So, we'll move on to item number
eight. And this is a review and action
of a general plan amendment. And uh this
was continued from March 2nd. And we'll
go ahead and have our
economic development director here,
Michael Florence, present
and get us up to speed.
I'm gonna step out.
>> Okay.
>> Recuse myself.
>> All right. Council member Hoy is
recusing himself.
>> Uh just as a reminder from the last
meeting in March, the proposal from MS
Properties was to amend the street
master's plan map to remove both of
these streets. Uh 1,200 West in the in
this section and 200 north um
highlighted in green there. Uh at the
last meeting uh one of the
representatives for Schaefer Industries
was not able to make it. He asked that
the meeting be continued and so the the
commit the council continued that
meeting and to give the property owners
the three prop main property owners MS
Properties um Pacific Bridge and Steel
and Schaefer Industries time to talk and re uh review the proposal. Um, in
your packet, one of the items we
discussed last time as well was could
the property be have a culde-sac coming
from State Street or sorry, Center
Street North. Uh, these are the two UD
do detention basins. They um receive
water uh that Lynden helps maintain in
those storm water basins. But, you know,
this this is what the culde-sac could
potentially look like as an option. um
uh is an as an alternative as well. So,
um,
as of late today, the the property
owners,
um,
had also reached out to me about with
the potential of maybe just, um, having
the discussion about,
uh, removing this section from the map,
uh, transportation map highlighted in
green, and and leaving the rest of the
map uh, the way it is um I know there's
the property owners can discuss this.
there's some, you know, preferences and
things um for 200 north here. The, you
know, Martin Snow would would prefer not
to have this bisect his two properties
here. Um and so that this may need an
alternative route, but um so there's
been some different discussions whether
to do a culde-sac, whether to remove
both roads segments, whether just to
remove a portion of 1200 West. And so
the council's got a number of items to
consider with this. Um we've prepared it
as the application has was originally
submitted with both roads being removed.
Um but I think there's a number of
alternatives you you should evaluate.
» Right. Council, do you have any
questions for Mr. Florence?
>> So in that last image that you had up.
So, there is there will be a way to
connect to Center Street and it's
through that Anderson Lane
>> down where it kind of
>> I apologize I cut that off.
>> It's okay. But I wondered I couldn't see
but there would be another way not just
1200 West.
>> Yes. Anderson Lane
>> Geneva and Anderson Lane.
>> Yeah, that's good. Let's see. Let's go
to this one.
>> So, yeah. Anderson Lane will be
constructed. I think Schaefer Industries
will be constructing that this summer.
>> Okay, great.
» All right. Any further questions?
>> All right.
>> Can we just go to the view you were
showing before? [clears throat]
>> This one here,
>> the small section right there at the
end. Is that a culde-sac?
>> Um,
>> we're we're talking about just remot.
>> Yeah. Yeah,
>> I don't think it needs necessarily a
culde-sac there cuz it's it's not a
road. It's still private property.
>> This is just general plan. So, we could
remove that section and the rest of the
general plan would just stay the same.
>> Is that right?
>> That that would. Now,
>> that's one of the options.
>> Now,
um again, a lot of this depends on
property owner property owners working
together whether or not the roads will
go in at all.
>> Sure. Um, you know, for example, this road 200 north is it's on the
property boundary between MS Properties
and Schaefer Industries. Um, the
remaining of this uh north south road on
1200 West that's split between uh UD do
um Schaefer Industries and Pacific
Bridge and Steel. Um and so all of those
them would have to work together for
those roads to go through. We're not
adjusting any zoning uh with this
application. The heavy industrial zoning
or whatever zoning is currently in place
is not affected by these applications.
This is only whether to amend the street
master plan map.
» All right. Okay. I think that covers it.
So we have applicants in the room. Um, I
don't know if we need to cover the
letter that you have from from some of
the parties or that that came in
recently or
>> there was a letter for the last one.
>> Is that for in March? Is that
» today?
Oh,
>> yeah. I think this one in green explains
that. All right. There were some other
Okay. And then you mentioned
[clears throat]
Okay. That leg around there.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so
in the
>> Yes. Let's um the applicant we'll have
him come forward Mr. Snow. So he's the
one that originally applied for the
removal of all these roads. And
obviously we want to understand the
perspectives of all the property owners
that are impacted by this application.
Um, all right.
>> All right. Well, I think there's a few
new people here today than there was a
couple weeks ago. So, basically, if we
go to,400
[clears throat]
where it goes past Ivory, if you guys
can follow me on that map or Yeah. where
Mike's got his pointer going. We have
between MS Properties and the city, we
have a little property dispute there.
And when we were working to res Oh, that
was very
I can figure out how to use that.
[laughter]
>> Just don't put it point it in your eyes.
» Oh, I got to hold it down. Yeah. All
right. So this section of road right
through here is where we've been working
for year and a half, two years, maybe
more with the city people over a little
property dispute here. And it came up in
the meeting that if we would
to settle this, we were gonna
take this proposed road, remove it off
the master plan, take the bond money
that we have here, and then we're going
to go develop it and finish this road
through here and give the property to
the city for the rightway and the needs
to get that road in place. And then I
think this summer sheer shadow mountain
is supposed to be developing this road
through here. And I think they only go
up to here. So that and we'll go to this
intersection right there. There'll be a
little piece here that we call the group
home property that still needs to be
figured out to get past it, but
basically that's going to open up that
1400 or Anderson Lane. I think we we
call it 1400. The old map was 14. But
then it's going to allow access to come
from Center Street up through here. And
now you can work your way out this way
or you can go out that way. So I think
in the discussions with the city they
said well
we don't really need this road through
here and it's a definite safety hazard
going between our buildings and then in
the the other point came up was a safety
fac or hazard going through here because
of all the Utah Pacific's big steel
ridge beams and girders and overhead
cranes and so you guys went through that
last time. So, I think when we left off
at the last meeting, we were discussing
a culde-sac
up in here to come here. Uh, Shadow
Mountain has concerns because they have
27 acres over here that they haven't
really decided what they're going to do
in there yet. uh the city. I think what
Adam and and and Mike Florence are
saying is uh we can put these roads back
in. We can move these roads.
One of my thoughts I brought up last
time was maybe this road should be
straight. It comes off of here. you
know, maybe it could. There's a lot of
options, but I think the property owners
need to decide where they want the road
through there because they're serving
their development, whereas we're already
developed and we know the road doesn't
work in Utah Pacific, it's pretty much
developed in here. And that's just is
kind of where we let off or at the at
the last meeting. So, I think the
decision was let everybody voice their
opinions and and we'll see what happens.
This road here doesn't doesn't really
it's kind of an issue here because it
goes through my property there and then
it splits right through Utah Pacific and
gives them it basically gives them two
little parcels right here and this one
bisects Utah Pacific again. So that's
and I don't see the use changing in the
future for either us or Utah Pacific and
uh because we're both established and
been there 40 plus years. So I don't I
don't think anything's going to change
for that and I guess that's uh that's the reason for the proposal and
that's how it's sitting.
So, I'm a little bit unclear. Um, Mr.
Snow, are you wanting as you applied
to is that what you want the council to
still consider or have you changed your
mind? I think I think the city I haven't
I proposed what was suggested by the
city uh because it was the most
practical idea was to take it all out
because I think the city said well we're
never going to be able to put that road
through here and it doesn't look like
it's going to be a benefit down here for
the existing use. So that was my
application and then there were you know
the city's opinion at that time was we
can put these roads in wherever we need
to when this development comes up. So I
mean
for my personal benefit it really
doesn't matter. I mean, I'd need to get
the road out on the top. And that was my
agreement with the city was you get rid
of this, I'll settle with you over
there, you know. So,
>> and then I believe that's probably your
legal or Mr. pause, but I think he made
the comment in the last meeting that
it's up to the council or that the
council has the authority to approve all
of it, part of it or right
>> or some alternates. So,
>> okay,
>> I'm just going to leave it at that and
I'll let the rest of them give you their
opinion of what they need and
>> all right,
>> we'll hope we get a good decision from
everybody.
>> Right. So, as Mr. Florence mentioned
this has completely unrelated to zoning
and and uses that are allowed here. This
is just and maybe you could speak to
everyone in the room a little bit about
when we have a street master plan. It's
kind of calling out future places to
have that connectivity and the proper
flow um and and not strand any property
owners for example if they need it. Um
but at the same time
these lines that are future roads are
somewhat flexible because as you
mentioned the individual property owners
certainly a 27 acre piece may need a
particular configuration when the time
comes that they have actual development
or whatever may happen if what you do
with your business um expands or has
additional buildings or uses. So maybe
you could speak to just
the roads themselves and permanence or
not permanence and what they're calling
out.
>> Yeah. I mean if this green road if it it
needed to shift slightly like it came to
here and needed to come down. I mean the
purpose is that the road goes through
according to the master plan. If it had
to make some minor tweaks that that's
okay um in the in the future. Um but But
you're you're correct that it's it's a plan for the future for
circulation and and uh you know trying
to help help all the property owners and
not segment anything that won't be
unbuildable.
>> And and I think it's important to mayor
to to realize that these maps were
originally adopted if I'm remembering
right this was originally adopted either
69 or 89.
>> Um and we we last time we had our
They're not here tonight, but our
engineers have gone through and looked
at traffic and with traffic and
development that has changed, these
roads don't necessarily need to be
exactly in this spot. There's a lot of
room for us to be able to work. So, our
engineers have looked at this and and
they're they feel comfortable with these
changes as well. So, that's important.
>> Are you saying in removing both of
those, the blue and the green, they're
comfortable?
>> The engineers were okay with that
because again, when those developments
come in, they are going to have to roads
and they they can configure that, but
because of the heavy industry that's
going through that main road going north
and south, we're not going to have a lot
of traffic flowing through there. And so
there will have to be some
configurations for the green line. And
as a development comes in, we'll have an
opportunity to to get a alignment that
works best.
>> Okay. So you're saying if we eliminated
now the blue and the green later on,
somebody come and say, "Hey, we want to
develop this in this way. We'd like a
road cut in here." And then we're
addressing that as the issue.
>> That's why our engineers felt fine
taking them all off.
>> Although my question would be is if a
road is eliminated and let's say one
property says I want that road but their
neighbor says I don't want the road. And
if the road is not on the map master
plan does that create
>> what that how that works right now is is
both property owners still have a right
to say I don't want that road there
right now. But what can happen is one
property owner can say, "Well, that's
fine. I'll put the whole cost of the
road in now." But I'll ask for what's
called a reimbursement agreement that if
the other property develops within a
certain amount of time, typically those
are 10-year period. If you develop
within 10 years, um, and you get the
benefit of that road for that
developing, you have to reimburse that
first property owner for that. And so so
that would go that that ability to to do
a road and and to get the council to do
a reimbursement agreement that works
when two properties above each other.
And so if we move this road off, we
probably wouldn't be able to do a
reimbursement agreement or you know in
that circumstance. So that is one thing
that probably changes
>> mayor.
Well, we do have a representative from
Bridge Pacific Bridge and Bridge and
Schaefer Industries as well. Um there's
it's a little bit complex on the the
possibilities here and I I think it's
important to understand the perspective
of the other property owners that are
potentially impacted here. Um, I'd like
to invite you to come forward
and maybe
>> so some of you weren't here last two
months ago. I'm Clark Olsen, uh, with
Utah Pacific Bridge, one of the founders
and president. [clears throat]
Uh, the way we left it last or two
months ago was because of safety issues.
I'm I'm very similar to Martin Snow. You
know, we've got 200 foot girders, 150
tons sitting there uh with five 150 ton
mobile cranes passing back and forth
with that property line. Uh so it's a
safety issue. I you know I just don't
want a road there. However, uh we
>> and road there, let's be specific. That
would be in the blue. Well, really
neither one. Number one, the north south
because it uh it it uh adjoins our
property and the east west the green
road uh you know would collect
from that subdivision area cars to go
from there to the east and then south on uh 200 north so that you know that's
our concern is just generating traffic
there now two months ago
uh Schaefer indust industries couldn't
be here, but they did propose a letter,
a culde-sac that was that was presented
at least
um and Clark Taylor with Schaefer uh
called me shortly after, wanted to meet.
I' I've been gone for about a month, but
anyway, we did meet last Wednesday and
uh Mr. Taylor presented that same
shortened culde-sac running north south
from Center Street of which uh I could
do. I mean I I don't want a road at all,
but I I told him that we would agree to
that. It's shortened. It doesn't get
north uh uh so far as to uh to bisect,
you know, my two pieces to the north.
And also more importantly, it doesn't
have an east west road, 1,200 west or a
200 north road to collect traffic. So I
thought we I thought we were good. Um
but he but Clark called me at noon today
and said they don't want to do that.
They want all all the roads for I don't
know why because he's the one that rep
proposed it in the first place. But so
that's where I am. So to be to to
summarize I I would do the the
originally proposed as of two months ago
culde-sac Jordan culac but
>> okay
>> doesn't want to at least he didn't
>> we'll give him an opportunity to
>> okay great
>> share thank you
>> okay so that's where we're at
>> okay anything else Mr. Olsson
>> uh no thank you okay thank you very much
all right Mr. Taylor.
» Is this an exhibit that we need to share
with the council?
All right. Thank you. Please state your
full name for the record.
>> My name is Clark Taylor
and I'm executive vice president,
general counsel for Schaefer and its
affiliate
Shadow Mountains.
and appreciate uh you continuing this to
today.
I had a family medical emergency and I
appreciate the opportunity to appear and
get to present our position
and I should uh state greetings to the
mayor,
uh the council members,
uh madame reporter and the city planner
and attorney and
administrator. You've I've worked with
the city for many years. I remember
going back through the old building,
the the little building we've had. We
work
>> we've worked together. We've really
tried to be good corporate citizens.
Schaefer Industries
um manufactures
structural pipe and tube.
Uh so structural pipe and tube basically
there are two things that hold up
America.
One is concrete and two with steel. And
we're a leading manufacturer in the
western United States with our
geographic area being from
we do have some clients back east, our
customers, but generally from Colorado
to Hawaii and generally border to
border, but in the western United
States, we're a leading manufacturer.
For example, if you pull this drywall
down, you'd see our our steel here. It
holds up billboards. that holds up
gates, fences, bullards. If you just
walk outside, you could name 30 uses of
our steel just from your front porch
here. Uh we've been and we have 27 acres
there with four large facilities. I
think some of you are familiar. If not dropped by anytime, I'll give you a
tour. Uh we in addition and we came in 1988.
Um,
and we built we started our campus the
27 acres that just is off the screen
there.
» Uh,
and then then the northern 27 acres is
depicted on the the uh map and I've
highlighted that in blue in the first
handout
>> and that currently is undeveloped land.
>> That's undeveloped land. I will note
that uh a couple of years ago the city
and we've really tried to be good
corporate citizens and I want to commend
the city staff. We've we've worked well
together for decades.
>> Um
>> thank you.
So, we've worked we've worked uh
tremendously together and the city
wanted to place see the fill on the
south part of the 27 acres. Uh we had
that in green belt and the city came to
us and and said we need to dispose of
our dirt and like like we always get
along. So, we said no problem. None of
us anticipated that the county wasn't
going to cooperate.
>> And so now this we got a almost $350,000
bill from the county because they've
changed the zoning. And that will be a
huge bill that will go on into the
future.
But the the property other than the
accommodating the city is undeveloped.
Uh except for on the west corridor. Uh
Mr.
highlighters right there if you need.
>> Oh, I you know, I don't know if I'm
steady enough to to do that, but maybe
I'll be
[clears throat] the when Ivory Homes
went in,
the city needed to connect here
um so that they could have the water uh
sewer, both pressure and normal flow.
So, four lines in through there. And the
ultimate resolution was we let the lines
go in and the city engineered the road
and we anticipate we've already had our
pre-construction meeting building that
this summer. And of course this is a a
road that is a a residential
uh road on the the master plan. You
you've seen the master plan. Um
so it's it's undeveloped. However, we
have relied on the master plan for
years.
Um, so if you go to the the handout,
skip the second page and and go to the
third page. Um, I've tracked it back,
council said it goes back further, but
I've tracked tracked back as far as I
can. This is 1995 a master plan to 2000.
And you can see that the 1200 west is on
there. And then you can see the next one
is 2000 to 2005.
There we have the east west 1200 on
there as well.
Uh and the next uh is 2006.
You'll see both roads are are on there.
And
then we see the same in 2011.
And that brings us to 2013. So, so
Schaefer Industries Shadow Mountain,
we've relied on the master plan for
decades, literally decades, with respect
to the development. Now, we recognize
that the city came in and put Ivory
Homes in, which may impact us with
respect to development plans, but that's
for something down the road.
One thing I want you to note while
you're looking at
the if you go to the U first page of the
handout,
we
and I'm going to use Schaefer for short
for the full designation.
We are the land owners that are most
impacted by this. And I did a real rough
calculation off of Google Earth. We have
some 1,400 ft approximately at issue. Uh
Mr. Snow has roughly 950,
Mr. Olson about 750.
But again, you have to understand we
have been relying on these and to adopt
the proposal as made
landlocks our property
from the current zoning and from the
master plan which is light industrial.
landlockwalks this completely because
people say, "Well, you've got the road
on the that you're putting in and then
it continues up the east side of Ivory.
That's a residential road that is not
going to handle the traffic.
It's not going to if we put a
distribution center in there, it's not
going to handle the traffic. If we go
with heavy industrial, it won't handle
the traffic. if if virtually you're
going to landlock the property that
we've relied on for decades. And so I
thought, well, there must be some big
public interest at issue
for for this issue to bubble up to the
surface at this point in time. So I
thought, well, let me refresh my memory
on master plans. So I went to the
statute and I thought, well, let's start
with our state law. And our state law
requires a master plan. And under state
law that it the master plan has to have
two items.
It must have it must address the future
and present needs of the municipality
and I would suggest that means the
public at large not a single property
owner
and it has to address the growth and
development
of any or part of the land within the
city within the municipality. So that's
state law and the focus is on future.
So then I thought well let's let's see
what the state has said what how do how
do we teach the cities this? So I went
to the general planning guide that the
state puts out and it says on its face
in the introduction
this guide will help you understand the
role that the general plan should play
in your community.
And let me tell you in in that uh first
few pages it says planning and we're
talking about planning
also allows stakeholders Schaefer for
decades
to know what to expect from your city.
What are we going to expect? We're going
to expect that we can develop that
property in 1988. We could literally see
from here to to the point of the
mountains before all the growth came in.
The general plan outlines your city's
vision. We're talking about vision for
the future and describes how that vision
will be achieved. Residents, developers,
business, state government, and others
interested parties should be able to see
how your city will change by reviewing
the general plan. So, the general plan
is very, very important. And that gets
to the heart of your question. It really
matters if we're on the general plan. It
does. And in fact, if the proposal is is
adopted as is, it will have a draconian
effect on our property, including the
value and landlocking is not fun. Well,
I went on to the next step trying to
track this through. What does what does
the state say about drafting? Not only
the policy, but what does it say about
drafting?
And it says the same thing. general
plans, also called master plans or com
comprehensive plans, guide. So guide,
we're talking about the future, your
community in its decision making by
describing its current and future needs
and then it goes on. But that's that's
how this is what we're supposed to
follow in drafting these. So then I
thought, well, what did we draft?
So I looked at our master plan and our
master plan says right at the beginning
what is a general plan. The general plan
serves as an advisory document
that helps guide the future growth.
We're talking about the future growth.
We're not talking about landlocking
people who've relied for decades who are
the most impacted owners and land use
decisions. It indicates the location and
type of land uses and it goes on
» u skipping down the general plan not
only helps guide future development. So
future development and it it goes on
after that. So that's what we've we've
addressed and so again I'm thinking
there must be some big public interest
that's come up for this about phase of
this issue that's been resolved for
decades.
And you know, I started digging into it
and let me tell you what I found. I
found out and I and I'm gonna tip my
hand up front because I want I'm gonna
bore you a little bit, but I'm going to
tell you what this is all about is to
resolve private litigation with the
contract. That's not what master
planning is for. It's not to resolve
litigation. That's nowhere in the
statute. It's nowhere in the in the the
guide. It's nowhere in the the
discussion about how we draft these.
It's nowhere in our master plan
resolving private disputes because Ivory
and the city have an issue with Mr.
Martin and we love Mr. Martin and
respect him. That shouldn't dictate what
we've relied on for years. Litigation
resolution is not an appropriate
consideration for for planning. So um
Mr. Taylor, thank you. I just in the
interest of time. Um I think we hear you
and uh so I have I have kind of some
general questions. Um I think in this
instance everything that you stated
there in those documents is true. They
are advisory. They are vision and it is
we this body has had numerous times
where you know like we said this vision
this advisory flow has been created many sometimes decades ago. We do
revisit with the realities of today of
how maybe things have changed and the
way the direction development has gone.
Um it is appropriate for bodies to
sometimes review the practicality
of those road plans and we do make
adjustments and tweaks and that's um
again we we we want to make a good
decision that is practical and balances
the interests of everyone that's
impacted and also what's really
happening with the growth because like
you said when you were there and you
could see the point of the mountain who
we didn't know what was coming but there
so sometimes change. We can tweak things
and that's appropriate legally. Um so my
question for you is um obviously you do
you imagine with this 27 acres do you
have a plan of what you plan to do with
that? Are you going to sell it? Are you
going to do you have imminent you said
you were kind of relying on these roads
as you've seen them for this amount of
time. Do you anticipate you are going to
determine what comes here or are you
going to sell the property and have a
another entity come and say you know
what actually we want maybe the
circulation to be different. I mean I'm
sure you would want that flexibility
within your 27 acres as well but when
you say you've relied on it do you have
a plan currently in mind of what's
happening there?
>> I'll answer the question by saying very
short no. However,
we had a plan and we bought the property
for an expansion site.
>> Okay,
>> that's why we bought it and that's why
we've held on to it. It's in heavy
industrial. However, the city came in
however many handful of years ago and
put a residential area right next to us
and that's caused us to rethink things.
But let me tell you, with respect to the
affected roads, with respect to Mr.
Rollson. Nothing's changed there. And
the and eliminating the these roads, I
mean, he's been swinging these beams and by the way, if he's swinging these
beams and and it's dangerous, he
shouldn't be allowed to do it in the
public road. That should be barred. And also, Mr. Martin's use hasn't
changed. There's been no change in our
area other than the city zoning
residential, which is on the other side.
And so, no, we don't have a current
plan. We're going to have a plan, but we
don't want to to be frozen out by a
change in a master plan that we've
relied on for decades.
>> But you might want flexibility to
potentially determine how things are
developed out as well. I would imagine
you're not saying do these roads and
never change them.
>> We are not saying that. And in fact, we
considered the culde-sac, but we want to
be good neighbors and I have done that.
I've done my level best to get this
resolved. Unfortunately, and and I think
the other the opposing sides, we're all
friends, and I think they'll they will
recognize I've been the one running
around trying to get this resolved. And
we hoped a culde-sac would work, but it
doesn't work because of the city
ordinances. We studied it. The city
engineers drafted a couple of proposals,
but it doesn't get us far enough into
our property so that we can do
something. So, we and we don't want to
be disadvantaged by having these roads
stripped off of our property. the
developers won't want it. They're going
to say, "What's the city going to do?"
So, we need certainty. [clears throat]
We need to have the roads there. And the
there is a quotation I have down here
from I think the planning department
where they say the reason we're doing
this is so that the roads can be
developed in accordance or put in in
accordance with the development. That is
completely backwards planning. You you
don't do it that way. It flies in the
face of what we've done. And that is
under the purpose section.
of the the planning report. I wish I
could put my hands right on it
because it just it says right on its
face. Let me see if I can turn to it.
>> So, you did at one point think the
culde-sac might be an option that
>> we did that and and what specifically?
So, now you're concerned it doesn't
>> it won't work. It won't work. We we have looked at we've looked at a
couple of auctions. I've looked at the
code the everybody can back me up. It
just won't work. If you look at it, it
just tips into our It won't work. If we
could take that and extend it a couple
of hundred feet. Well, maybe that would
work. But the problem is is where it
sits so far. We can't do what we need to
do. I mean, it would be another problem
with access.
>> Okay. So actually maybe culstack is
still on the table if it just had a you
said a few hundred feet further in to
your joining properties.
>> It is an option. It's not a desirable
option and not by far what we want but
trying to be good neighbors. We tried to
brainstorm what we've looked at every
possible angle. Every possible angle.
And I want to read you that quote. The
purpose of the request is to allow
street alignments to be determined at
the time property is developed. That is
backwards planning. You put the roads
in. It's the future. It's the vision on
the master plan so that people know
what's coming. So we we've really really
tried to resolve this. Now, all of that
said, I I have to tell you,
somebody's going to be unhappy with the
result tonight.
What we are, if you'll go to the second
handout, we are okay
as an alternative
to deleting the road.
You can see it on there
>> that is between Mr. snows buildings from
the master plan. He gets his bond. The
city gets the money to rectify the
litigation over at Ivy, which is what
this is all about, which is improper
legally.
We're okay with the as long as we get to
keep what we've had on the master plan
for decades. So, we're not landlocked.
Again, we can't access it for what the
current or proposed use is
>> from the the west, but we've got to
access it from the east. So, if I
understand clearly, it sounds like all
three party business owners are in
agreement that area that you have
crossed out that that's not an issue for
any of the parties to to for that.
>> It's not an issue for us. We then we
support that.
>> Okay. Well, we're on the same page with
that one issue. That's that's good news.
I would like to allow my council to
maybe ask questions um as well on what
is in front of us here to any of the
parties.
>> So um apologize. Last time I was in the
cloud, but I was here, right? And and I
was the one that was kind of leaning
towards continuing it to make sure we
could get everybody's needs addressed.
Um I'm I'm a huge advocate
of the general plan. It It's important
for cities to plan a city council. Yes,
we need to deal with what's going on
today, but we've got to look 50 and 100
years. And all of us are gone and your
property belongs to someone else. Even
your right, your your business that's
there, your businesses that are there.
So, what I'd like to see is something
that works today for you today, but
still helps in this future. And this is
not swayed by what Mr. Taylor has said,
although it aligns a lot with what he
has said, that's been I will I want to
protect master plans as much as
possible. Um, so I think it's great to
remove that that one slide that Mike
showed with the green road. I'm
completely in favor in facilitating some
of the needs that that provides
>> the entire green road.
>> No, his short segment.
>> Yes. on snow properties.
>> So, I'm I'm I think that makes
everyone's happy. I think the mayor just
pointed that out. I think that works for
everyone. The other roads that are there
on the general plan,
they're there, but you keep doing your
stuff, right? You keep running your
business. You keep running your
business. Mr. Snow, we can meet those
needs. Um I'm one that would be happy to
make a motion for that. But I don't need
to make it right now because I don't
want to cut Steve off for others.
>> Yeah. I just want some clarification
too, kind of going beyond where you are
because I was going to mention that, but
with the two roads that are in place
beyond just the one you're talking about
eliminating in the future, if those were
to be developed, that would be some
agreement between two property owners
that and and what does that look like
and how does that what's that process?
So, typically you'll you'd have a
subdivision plat dedicating right of way
and so they will have to sign a
subdivision plat or one person would
need to buy one property owner would
need to buy right ofway width from them.
So, a couple different options. Um, but
>> so even if those stayed on the plan, uh,
it still requires all the parties to be
involved in how that will end up being
developed. Correct. So, everybody still
has a voice in what happens.
>> Yes. Okay,
>> if I may, that's there's one additional
option is condemnation.
For example, when Ivory put in uh its
development, we had no interest in
utilities going across our property. And
so, what did the city say? He cooperated
or we're going to condemn it.
>> And if you read our development
agreement, it says right on his face, we
are entering its agreement under the
threat of condemnation. So if the city
wants to do something for the which it
should for the betterment of the city,
the future of the city, and the land
owners can't work it out, there's always
combination.
>> Okay.
>> And I do just need to clarify and and
Clark is right. It says that and Clark
knows that we added that on there for
tax purposes to help him. Now, there is
a right of private condemnation that was
raised by Ivory, but the city was never
going to condemn your property. You
remember that, right, Mark?
>> It's not my memory.
>> [laughter]
>> there were utility benefits as well that
we'll put in there that will help
>> but but there but he's right
condemnation is an option that's right
>> so again I don't want to close anyone
off I want to protect the general plan
as a general plan it's just it's there
guideline it doesn't no roads going in
today we're not forcing anything we're
not they would stay on the general plan
everybody continue doing their business
the way they're doing their business um
we would just remove that section. I'm
prepared to make that motion this time.
Um if if but but keep talking others
that are interested in asking questions.
>> May I?
>> Yes. Go ahead.
>> Uh the thing that's changed in the last
10 years is now we have a residential
subdivision to the west
uh that really surrounds now heavy
industrial. And again, Our concern is
the traffic that that residential uh
development could generate going from
west to east and then going south and up
then and of course then east on center
street. And you know we uh you know
Clark Taylor says we shouldn't be
swinging over roads girders. We don't.
My concern is these are so unusual.
They're so large. some of the largest
girders made in the western United
States or the United States period. I'm
concerned about just traffic stopping
and watching because they will. We're
also painting there. We're allowed to
paint. I'm concerned about that. Um
>> that's if that road goes in from west to
east or east to west. Yeah, I think it's
important to note that that's the road
that will generate the traffic. Now, you
know, the culdesac would not generate
the traffic. If if Schaefer wanted to
come west to east and and terminate in a
culde-sac on his property to gain
access, I wouldn't be opposed to that
either, but I am opposed to a full east
west north south corridor generating
traffic right in the middle of heavy
industrial.
>> But we're not choosing, we're not
deciding today to put a road in. We're
just saying leave it there for 50 years
or 100 years down the road.
>> Let's decide not to put a road in
because the general plan should be
changed because the conditions have
changed.
>> But they've changed because Martin has
built on [clears throat] both sides of
that road. I could build heavy
industrial on both sides of that road on
the north my my north end that adjoins
Martin Snows. Those two pieces, you
know, we talk about being landlocked. If
that goes in, I I've isolated two pieces
that I can't do anything with.
>> They're very small. I can't do anything.
>> But again,
>> you know, we talk about, you know,
keeping the general plan with, but if
the general plan because of the current
conditions are are different today than
they were in in 1990,
change it. So, if someone were
proposing, let's put a road in today,
then you've got good arguments, and I
would say, no, I don't think this is the
right thing to do. The vote today is a
general plan looking 50 to 100 years
down the road. I'm fine with leaving it
there. I think it's good to leave it
there. We're not putting anything in
today. Definitely not.
>> I agree with that. But that that states
that that is the possibility. That's the city sees as that as the
future. And the fact And now we have
residential.
You know what? What if Schaefer wants to
sell that as residential?
What if he wants to sell it as
commercial or or or uh office space?
That all of those are going to generate
uh traffic. And none of those are good
neighbors to heavy industrial. None of
them. And so if if if Schaefer wants an
east west access, having put it in, it
doesn't need to go all the way to the
east of my property. It doesn't need to
connect on the center street. If we put
that culde-sac in which Schaefer
recommended and we could have we could
have passed this, if I would have agreed
to it, it would have been changed two
months ago because Schaeer requested the
culde-sac,
>> but I didn't want anything,
>> right?
And so that you know there there we are.
I mean I don't know why if it just won't
work now why why I mean it worked two
months ago but now it won't because that
was the solution
>> right
>> but I didn't want anything and it was
new to me. Well you know because I don't
want new additional traffic generated
that culde-sac accomplishes that. It
accomplishes it for Martin. Martin
doesn't want that that east west
corridor road running um against his
southern property either.
>> So quick question. So Mr. Taylor
said culde-sac is not his first choice,
but in another alternate if there was a
culde-sac, if there is a culde-sac, he
needs it to go a little bit deeper to
the north.
>> In our in our current in our ordinance,
our subdivision ordinance says you can't
have a culde-sac
>> deeper thanund or 650 ft. So that's
measured from the intersection of the
street to the middle of the culde-sac.
And so that's why, you know, we did that
diagram and it shows, you know, what
where it hits on the property
>> and that's been something that we Go
ahead.
>> Excuse me. Is that the 650 ft you're
talking about? In other words, did we
take it as far north as we could?
>> We did
>> from Center Street under our current
regulations. Well, that's something
we've talked about reviewing because
there's some examples in the city where
sometimes there's just been things have
been not developed,
you know, with adjacent areas. And so
maybe we need to review that. Um, but as
of today, correct, that is what it is.
>> Yeah. And also clarify this the homes
that back on to Anderson Lane, they they
do not have access to Anderson Lane.
There's a big
>> six or seven foot masonry wall along
that street. [clears throat]
» Mr. Taylor or whoever you you said that
Anderson Lane couldn't be used for some
of the purposes that you had hoped for.
I don't I guess I is it because the
trucks are too big or
>> That's exactly right. You as a practical
matter, you don't run semis in a
neighborhood. Sure.
>> And so the the the road to say we have
access for the current zoning it does
we're having industrial even the master
plan
as light industrial doesn't work too.
You have semis going up and down there.
>> What is the road profile width that's
called out for there. It's not really
technically a neighborhood because a
neighborhood is is is completely cut off
with that masonry wall. So the residents
don't have access vehicularly or
pedestrian or bicycle anything. It's
segmented there. But maybe we should
look what's the road profile
>> closer to 700
>> part of our development agreement with Shell Mountain. We actually worked
with them and came to an agreement on
the width and the profile of it.
Again, we're all friends here, but I
disagree that that wasn't considered
because we do have that
There's more to the story than that. We
we're aware of the master plan and we're
aware of current zoning and the master
plan zoning. We know that a residential
road won't work won't work. So, we had
the option at our cost using more than
half of the road with our neighbor on
our property of expanding the road on
that segment. And we elected we made
that election timely and writing. But
that was our idea because we know that road as currently
drafted on the master plan won't work
for the development of this property. So
that's why we're landlocked.
Now you're right. Can things change in
the future? Maybe. But right now it's
650 ft. I'm very concerned about the
fire department not allowing that even
if the city council and the planning
commission would allow it. So there are
a lot of ifs. And so what we need to in
my judgment is stick to what the policy
is plan for the future like we've been
relying for 30 years and our the
proposal that Mr. Jacobs has made not
formally lets matters go forward now and
tables matter for the future when we
address them everybody you guys can all
move forward with your deal. So, if
Anderson Lane you feel is not wide
enough
um and then your segment that connects
to Anderson Lane
um
has that same profile adoption which was
skinny up the road a little bit. Um
would you ever want to expand it that
profile for your industrial portion down
there of Anderson Lane?
We are we're going to build for what
we're currently master zone for our
master plan for
>> and what we're currently zoned for.
We're going to build as though we're
relying on what's there. And so we are
building at our cost using our extra
land, not going right down the middle.
We're using we're paying for the extra
improvements and using our land to make
it wider than what the city
than the the north south straight north
south part of
>> Anderson
because we think master plan should
carry weight.
» All right.
» Yes.
>> When Ivory came in, I was just looking
at the 2006 master plan.
The
east west roadway
off 700 and then
went back and then the city put in the
road to get down to the lift station. So
the east west used to continue right on
straight through and now that part of
the road isn't there anymore. So I mean
that's why I was saying is that in the
right place
for that I would think looking at the
map we already took part of it out and
the other issue that you were talking
about the street with that road that
went through Anderson what I call 1400
was in the previous
years that was 66 foot wide road and
then when Ivory came in we developed our
side build This is a 66 foot road. Then
Ivory shrunk it down to 15 foot so they
could build a little closer. We run a
lot of trucks through there every day.
Probably 10 or 15 trucks because they
come straight down Anderson Lane. They
come around, go through our shipping
yard. It is a lot tighter than it would
be if it was 66 feet wide, but the
trucks are still going through there and
but there's not much traffic now.
because
>> the residential are cut off.
>> The residential people don't
>> have an access point.
>> They have no access. So, it's really
just our trucks going through. But, I
mean, it it will get busier when it's a
through street. It'll definitely get
busier.
>> And there's I think what Mr. Taylor
saying is what they did there. They
planned it for the 50 foot profile road,
but they added it's 10 or 15 feet on
their side, which allows for more
parking and think that's probably what
needs to be done as a minimum. So really
what happened
» I would like to One more if I could.
This is an important decision because
there aren't many 27 acre left. This is
not a an easy or decision. We all have
to put a lot of time and effort into.
>> Yes. And it is you can't really get
access from the west because you have
I-15.
Um the north access is is a little bit
limited.
um as well like you're saying. Um
anyway, council, any other questions?
Both sides have presented their points
of view very very well.
Have we exhausted every possibility of
making it work for all three? Is there
something we're missing that hasn't been
reviewed or proposed or thought about?
Good question.
>> I can tell you I have done my level
best. I've met with the parties. I've
met with
Adam. I met with Noah.
Travis Travis
>> Trent
>> Michael number I've I've done everything
to exhaust every opportunity to present
something that has worked for everybody
and unfortunately we are where we are.
Could
you please show us again? Um, Mr. Snow,
I see two parcels there. Are do
[clears throat] you own one or both?
There below the green line
>> in that down in that corner. I own one
and the group home owns the other.
>> Okay, that's the group home there.
>> Yeah,
>> the group home. There's a boy group home
there.
>> So the green dash line goes between it
splits my parson there and it splits up.
>> Is there any conceivable idea that there
could be eliminate this and then
have this and then go across there.
That was what I brought up in the last
meeting is saying then it lines up but
>> then we don't bict Pacific Bridge.
Don't bisect your piece here. You still
have full circular access
here.
>> I think I don't really want to make the
decision on what's affecting Clark's
property because he's the one that needs
to develop it. That's where
>> is that something that is untenable to
you?
>> It is. We don't we don't know what we're
going to put there and it may be a large
distribution center which would prevent
the development. We've explored that
option is to answer your question and I
might note that uh I mean we could
really drill down on this but Mr. Snow's
building was was approved and the
development agreement approved on the
condition that road's going through and
I think if I this to even a elementary
sixth grader said where should this road
go? It should go north and south. And
we're not here jumping up and down
saying don't do that. But we're saying
don't please don't landlock us. Leave
what we've relied on for decades and go
ahead and accommodate Mark at this
point.
» All right. So you would like to keep
options open for what you don't know yet
is coming. Um and I think our attorney
clearly explained
um for the road to go in there has to be
you know agreement on on cooperation.
Right now no road is happening at this
point in time. Um
>> no council any other
it's been discussed just a little bit
that culde-sac
and the 650 ft and the idea that it
could be reviewed and possibly go
longer. Uh you brought up the points of
fire and those types of things. Uh is
that even feasible for reasonably
feasible?
>> Yeah.
>> Is it as simple as a legislative
decision or how many departments get
involved with?
>> One of the things I've talked with Mr.
Florence is to review that ordinance
right now in the city because we have
we've run across you know situations
with that in the past as you may recall
Van and just to maybe explore
you know what do other cities do in that
regard and and what are different
situations we've come across with it.
Yeah, I mean we we would review it with
in conjunction with our engineering and
fire departments because you're dealing
with water and sewer lines as well and
pressure and we already have issues with
deadend culde-sacs and pressure and
stagnant water and things and so we'd
work with so be planning engineering and
fire would all need to evaluate those
and and it's it is all over the board.
Cities have some have 650, some have
a,000 ft. It it it changes per city as
well. So
Yes,
>> Mr. Taylor. I really don't understand
why what difference it makes to you if
that east west road is on the the north
side of your property, the very north
side or the very south side. What
difference does it make?
» You've got to go in. one or the other.
You've got same if that road cut across
east to west a lot further south than
what we're showing. In other words,
further south than than our property, my
property. Um uh what's what difference
does that make?
>> It limits our development of the
property.
>> Why?
>> You're talking about the east west road.
>> Yeah. Just move on.
>> If you drop that road south, then we
can't put a large distribution center in
there. I think he's experiencing the
same problem you have of getting
biseected that as was brought up by some
of the other parties. It's not
preferable to be by
>> Well, I'm not see I'm not saying because
we we get into the ponds there, don't
we?
the the Utah state owned property
» close the two detention bas
» yeah I was I was saying to move that
further south and so clerk what you're
saying is you can't you can't move it
south far enough right
>> we can't we can't limit the devel
velment of our property which we've
again it's been through multiple master
plans for decades where it is and we
think it should stay where it is as
we've relied on it. We might have made
different decisions along the way if if
you know the plans were going to be
changed. Well, I I I don't know how big
a piece is my AR my my that I own north
and south of that green line uh as it
adjoins to uh 1200 west.
But
I certainly can't use those as heavy
industrial. They're they're just not big
enough. That that presents the same
problem with me. I can't take my uh my
uh storage area to the west uh at all.
But If you come full circle, we're we're
really not here because of that road.
We're here because of a dispute with the
city and Mr. Martin.
That's why we're here. We wouldn't be
here discussing that road, nor the north
south segment at all. It's this the city
and Lyndon have a problem with respect
to an encroachment that was allowed. And
so the idea to do all of this didn't
come from some grandios planning. It
came from Mr. Cowi in trying to resolve
litigation. That's not why we do master
planning
and that's been through. We've had the
same plan for decades. We don't solve it
based on a litigation.
>> And and and like we mentioned earlier,
nothing is set in stone, immovable,
inflexible. If there are reasonable
uh adjustments to be made, that's why
we're here to consider them. and and we
want to hear each of the parties and and
sometimes, you know, it's it's complex
like you say and so
council this is uh
an action item for you.
Um
so
what are your thoughts on this here?
We've been deliberating on it for some
time and I think we've heard all the
parties
different interests and concerns.
>> Uh this is an unfair question because
when I got moved into our mo our current
house, I didn't look at any master plans
or roads or anything. I had no clue. So
maybe it sounds like you all have been
considering this for a long time. And so
Mr. Snow, Mr. Olsen, have your
organizations
If we were to rewind the clock and there
wasn't a discussion about removing it,
what was your plan
with the way things are now? I mean,
there's some safety issues you've
brought up. So, I mean, I guess nothing
would trigger these roads, so maybe you
didn't have to think very much about
what would what you would do with
divided land and small, but did you look
at all what you might do? um or is this
you know it's peace of mind to have a
dotted line off a map you know
>> so definitely peace of mind but when we
did put those two buildings in across
the road there was a lot of discussion
at that time about developing 1400
and not worrying so much about this road
because 1400 was supposed to be the main
artery supposed to
sack at one corner straight out. So, you
know, we weren't really 100% concerned
that that road was ever going to go
through. So, that was our hope was
always, you know, in our mind on paper
this was the master plan, but also 1400
went straight through
and there's some issues down the
power.
I think one of the holes right in the
middle.
>> Where's the utility?
>> Okay.
[laughter]
>> The further you get away, the harder it
is.
>> I know. Yes, it's true. It's true.
>> So,
that's that's our, you know, my input on
that.
All right, councel.
>> I don't want to cut anyone off. I'm
prepared to make a motion.
[clears throat]
I move to approve ordinance
and and help me if I'm saying this wrong
or if I'm missing something, please. I
move to approve ordinance 2026-1-
with the amendment that 1200 West be
removed up to 200 north.
» Is that this?
» It matches. Yep. Kind of
>> Yes, it does match that. And it also
matches one that Mike showed earlier.
Although Mike's was a little short and
I'm saying go ahead and remove it all
the way up to 200 north.
» So matches that one.
>> So that extra
>> 200 north.
>> Yes.
» All right. We have a motion.
>> I second.
>> We have a motion by council member
Jacobs, seconded by council member
Stewart. Any further discussion on the
motion?
>> All right.
>> So with what you proposed
there. Um
I'm just
>> I still leave it open for a culde-sac.
That could still happen if everybody got
together and said, "Let's make this." We
have that option there.
>> All the other options are there. We're
not planning. I shouldn't say.
>> No one's proposing to put a road in
today.
>> That's a decision down the road. This is
just saying remove that 1,200
west section up to where 200 north goes.
Everybody conduct business as they have
in the past.
» Okay.
Any further discussion on the
motion? Understood what the motion
entails. All right. I'll call the vote.
All in favor?
>> I.
>> Any opposed?
>> Name.
>> Okay. That's three eyes. One may the
motion carries.
» Thank you all for coming here and being
here tonight.
All right. Item number nine has been um
they've moved to a future date. So we
will move on to item number 10 which is
the recess to the Lynen City
Redevelopment Agency.
So we just
>> recess the Lynen City Council meeting
and convene as the Lynen City RDA.
>> Second.
>> Okay.
>> So moved by Councilman Stewart, seconded
by Councilman Broadick. All in favor?
>> I.
>> All right. We are now in the uh RDA
uh here um on May 4th, 2026. And we'll
have a roll call. I'll start here on my
right.
>> Steve Stewart I
>> J I
>> Lunberg I
>> Cole Hulie I
>> Lincoln Jacobs I
>> Van Brick I.
>> All right, there are some approval of
minutes from the March 16th RDA meeting
and adoption.
» I'll make a motion that we approve the
March 16th uh 2026 RDA minutes. Second
>> motion by council member Hoy, seconded
by council member Stewart. All in favor
of passing the approval of the minutes.
>> I
>> Okay, that is unanimous. Thank you. All
right, we'll go on to item number three.
This is a public hearing budget
amendment. So, we need to open a public
hearing.
>> I make a motion to open a public
hearing.
>> Second.
>> Okay. So, moved by Councilman Broadick,
seconded by Council Member Point. All in
favor?
>> I.
>> All right.
Chase, you you rock that look.
» Chase Adams are the hair. The hair makes
the [laughter]
>> Yeah. Sorry. Um
>> I I had the AI ask him to make you have
long hair. So that's from like the the
uh directory photos.
>> Yes.
>> So
>> it's not quite long enough though.
>> It's got some more curl through it
though.
>> I think I'm getting close to uh to
chopping it. So [laughter]
Um,
okay. Um,
we're
u mostly here to just kind of close
three of our um RDAs. Um, the State
Street District, the Westside District,
and the district number three. Um,
that's kind of largely what the the
amendment does. Um, so essentially we're
going to get rid of not get rid of uh
close out, I should say. Sorry. um those
three
um and uh largely by transferring uh the
remaining funds to the affordable
housing fund um which is I don't
uh which is kind of just a a fund that
um we're using for like kind of
accounting transfers in and out and like
interest and stuff. So for um the
affordable housing funds um
uh other than that there's uh a couple of uh I I don't know tons not tons of
changes to the 700 North CDA and the uh
and sorry I call them RDA RDA not CDA
>> over the uh over the years I guess the
acronym has changed for uh redevelopment
area. So, uh, but also the Lynen Park
CRA,
>> right?
>> Um,
>> and, um, there's, uh,
let me, let me just check my notes, make
sure I'm not leading anyone astray here.
I think um my the big thing I was supposed to
note was that uh we're um allocating 5%
uh of the tax increment towards um
affordable housing for the 700 North RDA
and for the Lynen Park RDA or rather
CRA, sorry, whatever it's called. Um is
uh We're allocating 10% of the tax
increment towards affordable housing
from from that uh that district. Um
and I
Kristen told me to note that um
currently in the affordable housing uh
we have 50,000 $57,581
and we'll be moving uh by the end of the
year. We anticipate having a by the end
of the fiscal year um we anticipate
having uh 189,693
u in that account.
Um and that was essentially the notes
that I uh that I have. If there's uh
specific questions I'll probably have to
get back to you on, but [laughter] I'm
happy to happy to field what I can.
>> I I can add a few items to that. Um, so
like we have two RDA areas, the 700
North RDA and the Lynen Park CRA. We
we've got a withhold uh 10% and 5% of
the property tax increment for housing.
So that that that that's has to be
ongoing. The current state law says that
after uh RDA expires, you've you've got
to move that housing into or you've got
to move those any remaining funds into
housing. Now, that changes on Wednesday
and it says on Wednesday, it says you've
got to go back and find out who all the
texting entities are and if there's any
additional funds, you have to reimburse
all those taxing entities with that
remaining budget. And so, that kind of
partic uh kind of helped move this
forward that [laughter]
um as we're reading the new state code
last week, uh we said, "Well, let's not
give all this money back. Let's move it
under the current law to affordable
housing and then we'll figure out how to
apply that in the future.
» Good to know.
>> And then the three districts that are no
longer collecting tax increment and have
this leftover fund balance. Um just for
the record, for those that are
listening, could we let's state what
those are?
>> Uh yes, sure. Um the
uh the State Street District. Um
[clears throat] we have we've used like
325,000
uh for
um to help pay for uh
um
>> purchase.
>> Yes, a property purchase. Sorry. Thank
you. Um Mr. Florence.
And um
uh so the remaining balance there would
be 21,936
uh that we would be transferring to
uh in that case the uh the recreation
front fund. Um
>> and that's an eligible RDA. So that one,
you know, doesn't necessarily need to go
to housing. That that's an eligible
fund,
>> right?
Thank you.
And um in the west side uh district
there's uh 21,744.
Um all of that would be going to the um
the housing affordable housing fund. Um
in district 3 there's uh
7,477
uh in total revenues. Um, of that, uh,
97,200 would be going to the housing
fund. Uh, we're taking, uh, like a hair
under 6,5,995,
uh, to pay for, uh, landscaping services
uh, for the remainder of the year and,
um,
that were trans rather transferring,
sorry, to the general fund because it
was uh, kind of prepaid out of that
fund. Um
and
um
those are the three.
All right, council. Any questions?
Okay, this is a public hearing, so I'd
like to open it for any public comment.
» All right, seeing none, I'd
>> like a motion to close the public
hearing.
>> Second.
>> Okay. A motion by council member
Broadick, seconded by council member Hoy
to close a public hearing. All in favor?
>> I.
>> Okay.
>> Be interesting to see with our new
school district
if there's opportunities with them down
the road. Um they seem so much more
friendly and amanable now. Um
[clears throat] but I almost see them
going away from participating. I I I
don't I I guess I'm not close enough to
it. Have we seen since Oram's University
Place any participation from a school
district?
» Yeah. Okay.
Just a thought. I I I mean I thought the
meeting went really well today. I think
there's just a lot of synergy there, a
lot of friendship between the groups.
Um
maybe down the road
This is the budget item.
>> Okay.
With the public hearing closed, is
there any other comments? Any other
concerns?
I'd be glad to make a motion.
>> Uh, I move to approve resolution
2026-2-RDA.
» Second.
>> Oops. Second
>> as presented. Yes.
>> Sorry. Who? We have Councilman Hoy.
Motion. Who is the second? Roderick. All
right. Thank you. All in favor?
>> I
>> All right. So, that's a budget
amendment. So, now we'll move on to item
number four of the RDA agenda and that
is to now have a review and action to
dissolve these expired RDAs that were
presented.
>> Yeah. And so these RDAs, they were
created in the 80s um between 82 and 89.
Um we haven't collected any uh you know
increment taxes off those since you know
between tw 2009 and 2019. Um they've all
been successful. They've they've met
their purpose especially where Home
Depot and Murdoch Hyundai I mean that has created some of our top sales
tax producers. So those are great to set up. Uh the west side was set up to
basically help where Schaefer Industries
is and and those industrial properties
to help improve our industrial sector
and um the State Street sounded like
there was some issues of blight they
were dealing with in the 80s and I think
State Street looks a lot better in those
areas that were redeveloped. So, but
they've outlived their their time and um
it's now we're bringing forward a
process to dissolve those three areas.
We've created the processes. We have to
um approve those by the dissolution by
resolution and then the city council has
to approve it by an ordinance.
» When you say they're expired, what does
that mean? When they're first created,
they were created for certain period of
time
>> typically. Yeah. like this 700 North
RDA. It it it was only created to last
till 20 or 2037 and then during COVID
state law allowed us to expand it give
an additional two years. So it'll expire
in 2039. So yeah, they all have a
project area plan and budget that
expires you typically 20 to 25 years.
>> Those time limits were imposed by the
state.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah.
>> And in order to I mean they expire when
they expired by date.
>> [clears throat]
>> But in order to close them, all the
debts and everything has to be paid off.
>> And then once that's done,
>> you close them.
>> Just approved was cashing it all out.
And so we had even though the time had
expired on these three RDAs, we still
had some remaining money in there that
we were using for some things. And so
you've just approved. They're all now a
zero balance. Am I remembering correctly
that we used some funds
with the Kia um dealership?
>> Did we do it with Hyundai as well or was
it just Kia?
>> I think we did.
>> Hyundai um
>> could have used RDA funds, but we did
have an incentive package with Hyundai
and we exchanged some property. we used
to have where part of their parking lot
uh is currently it used to be just an
open detention basin and so we
transferred that property to them and
allowed them to bury that detention
system and so they have a subsurface
detention basin under their parking lot
so we we traded some land as part of the
incentive to get them here
>> and that was I don't know I don't
believe there was any direct RDA
reimbursement but they did have a sales
tax performanc
plan [clears throat] similar to what KIA
is doing. So if they hit certain
benchmarks, we would pay them back a
certain amount.
>> And KIA is knocking it out of the park.
They that was set up as a five-year RDA
and they're going to we're going to be
closing that out in three and a half or
within
ahead of schedule.
>> Yes. Three and a half years instead of
five.
>> And the KIA plan is is that owned
property. That is the only property. So
it's just their land and that was the CR
>> under the umbrella of the RDA. Okay. So
>> which has nothing to do with the PTA
does not. [laughter] But you have some
PTA stuff in front of you here tonight.
>> Yeah. About about 10 years ago they came
out every few years like last this last
legislative session they changed it
again you know and 10 years ago they
created EDAs, CDAs and CRAAS and you
know it was
>> crazy. Yeah.
>> Well, needless to say, great decision-
making by our forefathers
here in the city. It's been great. You
know what I mean? They served their
purpose and and here we are. And, you
know, would be remiss not to recognize
those who put them into place back in
the 80s or so. I'm I'm ready to make a
motion. Um, I move to approve resolution
2026-3-
RDA. Um, also 2026-4- RDA and 2026-5-
RDA as presented.
>> Second.
>> You have a motion by Councilman Hoy,
second by Councilman Jacobs. All in
favor?
>> I.
>> Any opposed? All right, that is
unanimous.
>> Easier to approve this when you look at
the figures of Mike and Brian there.
[laughter]
It just gives you confidence.
All right, I take a motion to adjurnn
and reconvene. [laughter]
I
>> like that we blew up the RDAs in the
that picture there.
>> I think
move to adjourn the RDA meeting and
reconvene the city council meeting.
>> Second.
>> Okay. Motion by Councilman Broadick,
second by Cal Councilman Jacobs. All in
favor? I
>> I'd like to take just a five minute
break here so we can all stand up for a
minute. It's been
three hours.
>> Okay.
[clears throat]
>> And those pictures just made all of us
smile. You guys all have a good sense of
humor. So
» I think the key word
» lawyer
Sorry to abandon it.
» Mountain.
>> Did you see theirs?
>> Yeah, I did. They got it on their face.
>> It's like a cartoon. So,
>> yeah. Totally made you look like a city
planner, man. Check that out.
» Ashley, sorry you got to be here so
late.
>> I you know, it was fun listening to it.
» We got a couple more things to do here
before we get to you. So,
>> I will silently work.
>> All right.
» [laughter]
» Either way,
» I think I think
Mr.
We never we were like not on the
doorstep.
>> That is a very common thing because you
get tax break if you if your property is sold or donated under threat of
domain. You get the a huge tax break.
And so we do that all the time. When we
purchase property, we send out a letter
that says, "Hey, this is taken under the
threat of imminent domain to help those
property owners."
>> That wasn't sales tax.
And a lot of those we haven't
So, it's something we could just
Sorry.
» Is YouTube still running? I haven't
>> says it is. Am
I in the Am I in the Empire or am I
good?
>> No, you're a good guy. That's a That's
the
>> This is the rebels. The rebels need
>> Yeah.
» I thought I died.
[laughter]
going down into
Almost there. Almost there.
[snorts]
» Maybe that.
>> Is that something you think I ought to
see?
>> That was nice.
>> Able to grab some dinner and still
listen.
star.
>> Now we have to pass this ordinance.
>> We are the death star.
>> So violent because this was not
>> violent.
That makes us Darth Vader and all that.
>> Yeah, we're
» a large in stature guy that looks
» Let's get back
>> reconvene our meeting here. So we are
>> back to
» item 12.
>> Item number 11.
>> I do think we need to do 11 still.
>> Oh yeah, that's right.
>> Okay.
>> Which is just the final
>> the ordinance part. Yeah.
>> Okay. So this is just a followup to what
we were discussing in the RDA.
>> The RDA within the CDA within the PTSA.
[laughter]
>> Go. Mayor go.
>> All right. Whatever order that is. All
right. Thank you. We'll let Mr. Cowey
on this.
>> Mike mentioned earlier, so as part of
dissolving the RDA, those three that
have expired, um those areas, uh you've
adopted as the RDA the resolutions to
dissolve those. And now, as part of the
statute, it requires that the city has
to then also pass an ordinance that
dissolves the expired RDAs. So, this
officially uh ends all of our contracts
between the city and the RDA for
services uh that it they were those
entities were using um on their behalf.
So,
any questions on that?
>> The next page is the ordinance.
>> I'm going to push the death star button.
[laughter]
» So, I move to approve ordinance 2026-6-
presented. I second.
>> All right. Motion by Councilman Stewart,
second by Councilman Jacobs. All in
favor?
>> I.
>> Okay. Eyes have it. That is passed. Item
number 12. This is a review and action.
I like to invite our parks and
recreation director,
Mr. Heath Baitman.
He's going to present to us all of our
mini grant
applications. and we will decide the
awards.
>> Yeah. What a great year. We had a lot of
people apply. I think except for the
last year, maybe have we done it for
two, you allowed more than the $15,000
in award because we had people, but at
that time we were able to award
everybody everything at the 17 or
$18,000 where we were, but we had some new groups come out of the
woodwork. Uh remember I I included this
in that box in your in your report. The
qualifying organizations requesting
funds must be a nonprofit with their
5013C status. They must uh have or
commit to have a significant presence in
Lynden and they must have performances,
events, and activities inside of Lynen
City for the benefit of Lind City
residents. So what I did, just so you
know, I took these
applications and I reviewed them. I
think they all pretty much because of
their plan of what they'd like to do,
they fit that category of doing
something in Lynen for Lynen. Uh some of
the asks were were quite big. Um and
then we've got a situation like Lynen
Elementary who has been awarded year
after year after year after year. So
they have their arts program is is
really amazing. So, um, from those seven
applications, are there any questions
about any of them that you might have?
So, when they request, for example,
Lyndon requested 8856
>> and they specified three specific areas.
Um, if we were to pass it at the
recommended amount, 5256, are they
required to put it in those three areas?
Are they required anywhere specific or
we're just saying here you go?
>> No. do what you want.
>> They will be required to turn in their
after season summary report on those
events that you guys decided that y'all
decided was was where they're they want
to focus this this donation to. So, and
I checked with those ones um except for
the Nashville lady. Uh she didn't call
me back, but the I checked with the
others. What do you want most and what
would fit for you best? Like Lynon
Elementary is a good example. They would love to have a mic set but would much rather have the scripts.
So this their ask is for really we
decided that if I made a recommendation
it would be for the kiln and for the
scripts and not the mic set but I put in
there what they actually did request. So
you know
>> one of the things too for council um
Steve and I have reviewed these over the
years and in the application it says if
you are not awarded the full amount can
you still carry off um what you're
trying to do? And so some of them say if
I don't get the full amount, no, I don't
have additional means or funds to do
this. So that's something that
>> and all all those mayors, all all the
ones that we talked to this time agreed
that they would make it work with a
parter portion that we recommended. Six
and seven were both ones that looked
that they significantly less than what
they were requesting
>> and five five requested 8,000 although
last year uh it was a little bit less
than that. But they're going to have to
come up with money now just for the
building rental because remember that
garden pipe band. It really was about
the $6,000 level [clears throat] that
paid for all of their reservation fees
which all they do is I award them the
check and they pay it back to the city.
>> Yeah, that's
>> and it's been nice for them and they
have been great tenants and have done
some amazing things. So I I some of the
smaller grant requests um like the
United Angels Foundation, they do those
special needs classes in our building.
That's another one that building is a a
great portion of the amount that that
we're allowing them for the rental. Uh
the Shantanet Lady Choir really uh would
really like to use the Vets Hall for
their opening and closing social, but
they sing in the spring
>> gardens And they they they make
available their free concerts to anybody
at any time. And they've got a lot of
Lynden ladies that participate in that
large group as well. And I think one of
the things that's important to note is
um some of these like Heath is
mentioning, it's not really outofpocket
cash for the city. Sometimes these turn
into pretty significant partnerships in
a way because they're providing
activities or classes or different
things for people in the community to
enjoy. It's almost like an extension of
our recreation programs. Is that fair to
say? So I think it fits
>> the money is kind of a wash because it's
in kind for use of
>> and often when the building is empty,
not necessarily on Thursday nights when
the garden, but I get requests for
Thursday nights. Uh and it's they're
kind of in there, but we're not losing
any revenue because other times are
available. If if maybe I could ask maybe
we could just look at number six,
Nashville and the Rockies. um they want
to have a large concert in this area in
this venue and uh I had a hard time uh
figuring with the other asks that we
would pay for travel uh you know and pay
for uh hotels for Nashville artists when
there's some pretty good talent around
here and and I understand that they want
to make it uh big but that's that's why
that one was was cut down to just maybe
a venue rental for them if they wanted
Yeah.
>> Is that in Lynen?
>> They wanted to do it in Lynon.
>> What venue?
>> They had didn't specify really.
>> Is there a way for us to make sure we
don't give them $2,000 and they go play
in Oram or
>> Yeah, that'll be specified that it has
to be here and then they're not eligible
again if they don't turn in their
year-end report.
>> Okay.
>> They aren't eligible for the next year.
>> Sorry. Go ahead.
>> No.
>> Are you finished on that?
>> I was just going to move on to number
seven.
>> That was what I wanted to ask. Go ahead.
Tell us about that.
>> The Unity Unity Gospel Choir uh
approached the mayor and I just recently
and just barely got their application in
on time because they they'd heard about
this and I'm not so sure
>> I can kind of share.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Bonner, the the really well-known Bonner
family. So, Yahoo sang at one of our
Christmas events a couple years ago. And
you know, the Bonner family um
African-American family, super talented
musically. He and his brother are on
stage in once on [clears throat] this
island at the Hail or at the
>> Yeah.
>> roof. So they perform professionally.
They do a lot of videos. They're pretty
high-profile. But Deborah is the mother
of the clan and she has an really
amazing program of gospel choir music.
It's it's not just religious, but it's
just all uplifting music. So they've
been rehearsing in Trordia here in
London. They've been like a corporate
sponsor just allowing them to use their
space and uh they recently had a
performance. Um it's a free choir for
people to join and they had a gayla
fundraiser they invited me to and the
stories of how they really do transform
lives. It's it's really quite remarkable
um people getting involved in this and
um they said we want to partner with
Lynen City. are already in Lynden. We
want to now start a children's
um choir initiative. This other one has
been adult. So they would want we want
they said that we want to be an arm of
Lynen City Recreation
um where we provide this children's
choir. Um and so again I think a lot of
the funding here is for use of space. So
they came and met with Heath and I. We
showed them the vet hall and they have
big plans like if it could start out
once a week. Kids could come to the
choir and then they would have um
profession they have a professional
pianist, jazz pianist. He's pretty
amazing. He lives in Vegas. They fly him
up or he travels up every Thursday for
their things they're doing with the
adult groups. And so they would have him
also stick around to work with the
youth. and he can take I mean he's just
incredible. And then they talked about
they have other professional people who
had potentially they could start um
professional uh acting drama. They had a
whole bunch of ideas of how it could
potentially expand. So
>> this uh mayor, as I recall going over
their grant, this grant request is not
for that children's choir. It's for
their choir. And so because we were so
jammed with time, they didn't know what
they should ask for and it wasn't put
together yet. So that might need to be
clarified if because they want to start
the children's choir as a partnership.
But this request was for their regular
choir.
>> Okay.
>> To fly their their people in and and
hire their professional.
>> But I think the goal was that they would
do the adult and children's in
conjunction.
they've pretty much announced
publicly
starting the youth
um version of of what their initiative
their mission.
>> Yeah. So, as the grant was written,
we'll have to split hairs if we want to
on that because they just wanted it for
their regular choir, not the children's
choir. But, and they're pretty specific.
You can look, you can prove that if you
want and see what you think.
Uh so that fits pretty well. So what I
did at the end, you can see that I took
that those tables and just kind of
looked at it a couple of different ways.
Uh way number one is if we go with at
all organizers benefit, all
organizations benefit a little and
everybody gets a chunk of the pie. uh
you have the ability of course to to
decide that those that are for the best
interests of the Lynon to fund
completely which would be kind of the
table number two uh and and that's not
the order that they were received that
was the order in which I could foresee
that being a immediate benefit to the
schools and to the art programs. This is
the first time in a long time Rocky
Mountain El Elementary Elementary has
applied and they want to do a show and
they wanted mic packs and a and a script
set as well. Uh or u you could do it. I
just I just figured that we could do it
those couple ways or we can award
whatever we want. But there was a
$38,000 $686 ask this year.
So, whatever you'd like to do there, if
there's questions,
>> the total amount available,
>> it's 15,000 budgeted. So, they're over
>> So, all of this is over budget. Okay.
>> But I took that because of the last two
years in in option number one. I took
that and got it close to what you've
approved in the last year or two, which
is 18. No, that's going to be 19. I
think it was 18,000 last year that you
approved and everybody got what they
wanted,
>> right? Um,
>> with the [clears throat]
band, the pipe band, they've itemized
the space rental, but with the unity
gospel choir and the angels, it's just
in kind.
» Um, so I I don't know if it makes sense
to take off the 7,000 ask or if it makes
sense to add in
the actual amount they would need to
rent our facilities. I know it's just
changing purses,
>> right?
>> But that so anyway,
>> I'm fine with either of those solutions
um
because I'm guessing the band the pipe
band if that if we told them we'll we'll
just
>> anyway
>> make you a partner rather than exchange.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Similar to the other
>> it looks it looks easy. It looks good
this way on on paper when I have them
apply cuz then we know exactly.
>> But is it determined that they are going
to use our I don't know it's determined
that they're going to use our space
though.
>> The pipe band does.
>> The pipe band is but the other two
aren't.
>> Yeah, when it says in kind
>> is that is that the the choir
>> space provided in kind?
>> This this
>> Wait, that's a good point. Maybe we're
not the ones who are the inind.
>> Yeah, like on seven space provided in
kind. What what does that mean
>> for the unity choir? They want to they
want to use our space. But I I I tell
you, [clears throat] I don't know. This
was like within a week before the
deadline that we made our first contact.
So, I think they just jammed something
together to get in the conversation. I
don't even I'm not even sure they
realize what it costs to rent a full
rental. So, that in kind, they just want
to take the portion that they didn't
specify and they really didn't do a very
good job specifying.
>> Yeah.
um that they would just make it work at
their ask. Their biggest desire is to
bring in this jazz musician and anybody
else they contract and hire to bring in
to help this help the choir and the kids
choir.
>> The choir would be weekly. This
Nashville thing is kind of a one-off
event.
>> Deborah asked for it. She'd take it
daily. I mean, she was
>> Deborah said she would expand daily if
she could
>> if she could if she could do it. Um,
>> that's what I'm just I mean in my mind
kind of the oneoff event is a less
impactful I
>> agree
>> than a program that is ongoing
>> and local.
>> Yeah, the Nashville one didn't really
speak to me for those reasons.
>> Yeah, I would.
>> And our our concert series
>> also provides that
If you take out Nashville and go with
the recommendation
amounts [clears throat] that you put,
it's 16921.
>> And is that with the 7,000 bag pipe?
>> Not not really. I think just looking at
the numbers even though it's in the same
purse.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because then it's even
less in that way. So, the bag of pipers
perform at our memorial program and
they're in our parade. [clears throat]
Um,
and if they don't get the full eight,
they have to now somehow pay a lease.
>> Yeah, I did their math. Uh, I did their
math and I'm sorry I didn't write it
down, but I think for all the building
dates they wanted, it would just be over
6,000. I think that's what they had last
year. So I called them and talked to
Clary who's who turned in the
application and she said, "Boy, this is
so nice. We'll do whatever we have to
do. You know, if it's a little bit less,
then then we'll make it work." I don't
know if they offer dues. I do know that
they offer lessons to Lynon residents at
no cost and that's also not bag pipes,
that's drums. They do a big drumming
section. So I I like what they offer.
>> Yeah, we have a good track record with
them.
I would be inclined. Yeah, I think five
might be too low. I think it might be
nice to continue to at least give them a
wash on their cost to use the space and
open it up for everyone to attend for
free. Continue that.
[snorts]
» I better get some notes up here.
Yeah, I I love this program. I'm very
comfortable with your recommendations
and and you administering this program.
You know, I'll bring up that we're able
to do this cool program because of the
park tax. And I don't think there's
anyone who markets the park tax better
than Lynen Elementary.
>> I'm serious. I mean, there are signs
everywhere. They announce it over the
microphones. Hey, your children are
about to perform and it's because of the
park tax that we have these instruments
and and so I'm biased towards Lyndon
Elementary, but I appreciate the
partnership that they're,
you know, and so I I'm comfortable. I'm
>> Well, Lynon Elementary, I mean, the
request is 8856.
Um, so did they indicate?
>> Yeah, he just took out the microphone
packs and sound equipment.
>> Okay. So the pottery kiln is more of a
priority to them.
>> It is at this point.
>> Yeah.
>> And the script because they can rent
mics. Although
>> what she what she'd like to do is start
that that whole another section of arts
over there. And like you were saying,
Jake, they they always ask me for
stickers. Every one of those ukuleles
has a sticker on it that says park tax.
And the banners, they ask me for banners
every year. So um yeah, they said we can
do without the mics. We'd love to have
them. We know it's a big ask, but we'd
really like to do a musical and and get
a and they've got district approval for
electrical where they're going to put
the kiln and things like that. At least
for this year.
>> Well, and I I like that you're taking a
good look at this. When people hear free
money, they Well, I'll ask for 8,000.
You know what I mean? And and so I think
you're handling this the right way.
However you want to split it, I'm I'm
comfortable where anyone wants to end up
here. [laughter]
budgeted 15,000 and this is all the way
down to 18. Does that [clears throat]
>> I think I'm comfortable with that. I I
you look at the park tax and what it's
produced in years past. We've never once
under estimated what it will produce. It
always produces more um than our
projections uh 12 years running. And so
I'm
confident we will do that again this
year. And there'll be an additional
3,000 to use specifically to parks and wreck
and and I just think this is such a
great program. I think of all the other
things we could use it on and and this
unique partnership with community
members is
good as anything.
>> And I appreciated the comments mayor you
made in our meeting with the Tempanoga
School District to bring this up and
make sure that they understood that I
don't think they were aware that this
was occurring. Agreed.
» Were you suggesting option one, Jake?
>> Yeah, I'm comfortable with option one. I
don't want to step on anyone's toes.
>> One is giving the Nashville Rockies
2000.
I I'm a little more skeptical about
>> I I would Yeah, I'd approve that with
the deletion of the Nashville
>> and I would pro if
>> getting that 2,000 toward Lynon
Elementary.
>> What if we split it with Valley Pipe
Band needs a little bit more to cover
their rental?
>> I forgot that that was
So, Garden Valley said they're to just
have a wash on the space usage. They
need about six.
>> I think it's pretty close to that. Yeah.
Of course, they would adjust their
practices to whatever they get. You
know, they just cut it off in summer
early or a little bit later. They're they're great to work with. They
take care of the building. They're just
a good
>> partner.
What's the What's the balance on the
park tax fund?
>> So, we have a I mean, you have a
significant fund balance, but we're earmarking it for things
potentially in the future. And so,
checking with Kristen, she felt like in
that 19,000 range is is totally doable.
Um I this would dramatically change
things, but you have the ability. I
mean, you could make this a $100,000. I
mean, and but that's going to change how
we're paying for some other things in
the city. And so, but the 19 range, she
was totally comfortable going more than
the 15 that's budgeted
>> because if we did the full ask of
everyone except well the fir the full
ask of our previous applicants um and
then didn't charge the pipe and their
rent. So they only needed $1,000
and then gave 2,200 to the gospel choir
to pay for the professional and not
include Nashville Rockies. That would
put us at $18,000.
>> And that begs the question, I know we
had the policy of, hey, you got to pay a
rental fee because we had some groups
come and say, oh, we're we're going to
do all this for the city. And then
sometimes it didn't really materialize.
So we said, "Okay, we need to have a
policy. There's a room rental
>> and it's a washroom.
>> Sweetheart deals we got rid of."
>> But but at the same time, the discussion
you and I had with Unity Gospel Choir,
and you mentioned, Heath, that maybe
it's time with the Garden Valley pipe
band, they've proven their return on
investment, their value in the
community, and we do just pull them in
and say this is an extension almost of
parks and wreck in a way. I I mean is
that
>> it's kind of interesting. We just don't
charge them a rental. I don't I just
don't think we can be
>> subjective. It's really hard for us to
do that though without a contract or
something that you guys are approving
for us to just say we're going to wave
this group's fee but not that group's
fee
>> because then the other two we need well
they would have to come up with money to
rent and maybe they can
>> but there's just two applicants that
have seemed to suggest that part of
their grant would be an inind donation
of building space.
>> So we would just need to tell them they
have to price that out.
And I think
>> the Shantanets are they're $1,500 if
that was the Veterans Hall.
>> Their their actual cost for the Veterans
Hall is the recommendation that I know.
>> Okay. So then we only have one that's
>> Yeah.
>> But I think what the Unity Gospel Choir
was saying is
>> United Angels as well.
>> They they would like to be just an arm
of parks and wreck is goal
>> or an arts council,
>> right? I mean I I don't know how well
[clears throat] that fits just in our
other programs. We
>> you know the football flag or not flag
football tackle football is an extension
of us but we do nothing with that but
give them ground
>> because the kids that they play so we
don't take their funds or do their any
fundraising for them. It's just that
that's a part of that we don't offer
that fits our Lynon kids. So they we
have a partnership with them
>> and it's advertised as a Lynen parks and
wreck
>> but that's about it on those programs.
So if we want the unity choir to come in
you know do we change that to the Lynen
Unity. How does Deborah feel about that?
>> I mean she she'll lose some aminity or
not aminity that's the wrong word some
recognition on that and some
independence to be honest with you
>> because she'll come under our umbrella
and we'll do as we think we need to do.
I think her I mean she's wanting this to
be duplicated in other mark cities
potentially further away from London
than just next door. But,
>> you know, mayor, there was another
thought, too. A couple of times De
Deborah said on the phone or the other
Gholly anyway, she said,
>> "This fits so well with communities that
care because the children's choir is
made to to stop sadness and depression
and and they they reviewed our stuff we
have online." She says, "Wow, this fits
really good." I have not checked with
Jamie to see if she could put a program
like this in her grant and extend the
reach of non-smoking and the non-smoking
grant and that might be able to fund a
program in a different way. Uh it is
certainly park tax eligible with park
tax money. Um but I and I think they
would be just excited to have a good
place to practice.
Um, but the kids choir becoming a Lynen
City kids choir, that's what it would
amount to.
>> Just as an FYI, um, so two years ago you
approved 15,000
a year, sorry, three years ago, 15,000.
A year ago, two, sorry, three years,
15,000. Two years, 6,000. This last
year, you're at 194. And this year, you
approved 15.
All right, council. Let's hammer this
out and get going. What What are you
thinking here? We're looking at option
one, but making a couple tweaks. Is that
what we're thinking here? Okay. So, are
we all unanimous that we're not
particularly interested in the Nashville
and the Rockies?
>> Correct. Yes.
>> Okay. Strike [clears throat] that.
>> [snorts]
>> Um
and then the uh garden val so we're
saying take that two. So how are we
right now that total for recommendation
one option one is 18,921.
Is that a budget amount you feel good
about appropriating this time or more or
less or is that something you're happy
with?
>> That's right. I'm good. a couple nods
>> and I could do
>> and maybe the 2000 just put directly to
the pipe band because Lyndon Elementary
has already said they'd, you know,
accept the mics instead of the mics.
>> Another thought about that is Rocky
Mountain the [clears throat] first time
a player. I cut $1,100 off of their
request and it was all show it was
another set of mic packs. So, I mean
they've they're not like Rocky Mountain
where they've had year after year after year.
you know, if if if there's a little
extra money, it might be a good thought
to help Rocky Mountain, but I I'm happy
to help the pipe band and and Lynen
Elementary get their stuff.
It's used so well and so visual.
So, if we went with number one with
Lynen Elementary getting 5,256,
Rocky Mountain getting its full 3150.
United Angels, they're at 1380, but they
also have the undis undescribed inind
facility usage.
the Shantinets if they got the 1500, the
5,000, and the 2500 for the gospel
choir, that's 18,786.
So, Lyndon wouldn't get the mics,
but and then the pipe band would have
two 3,000 less than their full ask.
» I second the motion.
>> That's pretty I mean, it's close, but
[laughter]
I like it
» because the mics is kind of a big deal.
If you've been gone to these plays,
which I have, you've been to the plays
and you can't hear it. It's like
>> kind of pointless a little bit. Not
pointless, but it's so disheartening
when the kids work so hard and they
can't
>> They said they would rent rather than
own. Is that what you understand?
>> But mics for Rocky Mountain or for
Lynon?
>> Well, both. I mean, we've taken out the
mics from Lyndon,
>> right? So I I would hesitate to give
Rocky Mountain first time when Lyndon's
been going and then they've requested
mics and not give them to them.
>> That's a good fair.
>> Although Lyndon's gotten a lot more
funding over the years a lot.
>> Good point.
» And even this ask is
» unless you want to bump up the total,
round it to 20. If you gave well to do
the mics you'd need to round to 22 well
22,386
if that was the only adjustment
>> the full
>> if you gave them the full
and everyone the full except the gospel
choir and then
>> the shaets
>> the the shaets would get their full ask
and the because I guess that covers
their rental so they're paying just like
the bagpipe people are paying.
And then the bag pipe theirs has been
reduced by 3,000,
but they need 6,000 to pay us.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Changing purses like you were saying,
>> right?
» That arrangement 6,000 would make it 28
3,000
>> 386.
>> I mean, if we look at another way to
look at it financially is which ones
are onsite and so it's just a wash of
exchanging
>> Yeah.
>> dollars on a page versus those that are
offsite. It's actual a cash outlay.
You know, I don't there's a hard cost
versus a soft cost on some of these. I
mean,
>> which is kind of the way I looked at
option three. If you wanted me to rank
>> arbitrarily past and good usage,
>> uh just uh did I say I meant funding for
organizations closely related to Lynon
too. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Where where we ran out of money at the
$8,000 for that, but
>> uh some of those others didn't get any
part. And that was not all Lynon
Elementary PTA ask. You you tell me
where to fund them and I'll make sure
they get them.
>> You're awesome.
» Did you feel comfortable with Lynen
Elementary getting 52 56?
and Rocky Mountain. They're full ask or
just the 2,00
» full ask and challenge them to be as
communicative about how wonderful the
park tax is.
>> Yeah, there you go.
>> Lynon Elementary
[clears throat]
» and the United Angels ask really it's
most of that is in the building in kind.
So they're not going to get very much
out of that. So you okay with 1380
>> for them.
>> The Shantinets likewise
>> 1500
>> just a wash
>> comes back to us
>> and then the Garden Valley wanted to see
if we can give them their whole ask.
>> They were putting down that their
building rental was seven but you on the
application but you said you think it's
six closer to Yeah, it's right around
six. a little over six when I just
looked up their dates for last year.
So, unless they've got plans on doing
more,
» but they can make 5,000 work, they can
make 6,000 work, they can make 7,000
work
» and they they've been a good
>> Yeah.
>> group to have.
>> All right,
>> we got to move forward. So, make a
motion. How much on the pipe band?
>> So they got 6,000 last year.
>> So should I just think you should have
>> maintain it? Yeah.
>> If we're just getting all the money,
>> they'll be happy.
with that. And then we
struck Nashville and then the United
Gospel Choir.
>> You okay with 25 to them?
>> We could start with that.
>> What's the new total? Have you
>> 19,786?
>> Yeah, that's what I got to.
>> Okay. So we're just under 20. But hard
cost is only about hard cost is
>> a lot less.
>> Yeah. Because they're paying back.
>> There'll be a lot of happy organizations
and very thankful.
>> So,
>> okay. I move
[laughter]
>> I don't know how to
>> to approve what we just talked
>> to approve
the park tax committee grants as
outlined.
>> Maybe that numbered that 19
>> comes to 19,786.
distributed as
>> distributed as instructed
>> and I will second the motion.
>> Okay.
>> Motion by council member Hulie, second
by council member Hoy. All in favor?
>> I
>> All right.
>> Bye.
>> Thanks Heath. [laughter]
>> Thank you Heath.
>> You bet.
>> All right. We are now on item number 13.
This is also review and action of our
solid waste disposal contract with
Republic Services.
So we have Ashley Collie is here with
us. She is represented from Republic
Services. So thanks Ashley for coming.
>> Thanks for hanging in there.
>> And so [clears throat] let me close this
here. This is just kind of summarizing
uh the agreement that you have in place
uh in front of you in your staff report.
Um we've been contracted with Republic
Services for a long time. It's probably
been uh 20 years and so we had several
opportunities to renew or extend an an
existing contract. Uh this is an
addendum to an existing contract that
we've had in place. It's a three-year
extension. And let me just kind of
outline what's in in this proposal. Uh
in the first year this coming fiscal
year, there would be a 6% increase. Uh
and we've
uh discussed with you previously in a in
a prior meeting to be able to handle
that increase uh collectively with our
garbage and recycling. We have a fund
balance as a city. Um and that balance
kind of es and flows as new accounts
sign on or as people drop cans or
things. And so, uh, it's built up a
little bit and Kristen feels that we can
absorb for garbage that full 6% increase
this first fiscal year. For recycling,
um, we would absorb 1% and then pass on
a 5% increase to our customers. And so,
just to the right there would be our
current rate for garbage then, uh, for
this proposed fiscal year would not
change. And then the recycling would go
up just that that little bit, uh, about
30 cents or so.
um on the contract. Then on year two and
three, um it creates a floor of a 2 and
a.5% increase and a ceiling of a 6 and a
half% increase. And these increases are
based off of the consumer price index,
the CPI. There's a specific garbage and
trash listing out of hundreds of things
that they index. Um just as a FYI, in
some prior years, here's some of those
rates. um January to January of this
last 25 to 26 was about 5%. Um but
February to February is what the
contract says. Um and so you can see in
one of those years it would have capped
at that 6 and a half% ceiling. Um but
traditionally we're hovering around that
5% increase every year.
the floor. I realistically it probably
won't go below that, but is that
necessary to have in there?
>> That was something that I I'll let
Ashley dis discuss. Um
>> because I prefer not to be in there
personally.
>> We But we tried to negotiate some
different options there and that's what
Republic felt I think uh to help keep up
with inflationary costs, but I'll let
Ashley speak to that. So,
>> yes, please come forward.
So, good evening. Thanks for having me.
Thanks for being patient with me, uh,
Madame Mayor and Council. Uh, so, first
of all, wonderful to be here in London.
My name's Ashley. Um, I previously
worked with the city with Reese Deill,
who was used to be a rep for the city.
He left. I went to California with
Republic. Now, I'm back. So, it's a
pleasure to be here. Uh, so, first of
all, we have a long-standing
[clears throat]
partnership with you. We really
appreciate it. uh straightforwardly we
really appreciate too your just uh
geographical significance with the
transfer station. It's very helpful to
us. Um so looking at this contract we
previously have been capped at a 4% um
under this previous amendment that
really hurt us. Um just transparently
cost of service has gone up so much. Uh
we've tied your annual price increase to
the garbage and trash CPI, but again
just honestly the cost of doing service
for us is always going to be above 3%.
So uh I got a hard bargain from Adam. We
[laughter]
uh I I'm not going to say on record what
the official ask was from my higherups
in area, but it was higher than what uh
he got out of me. And uh this is what we
came to. uh I have to get my area
approval to put these prices together.
It's a long process. They have a big
spreadsheet, no formula. So, we put in
2.5. That's where we feel like it we're
always going to be having to pay more
higher drivers, etc., but we're good
with that amount. We can take that
floor. Um ceiling. Hopefully, it doesn't
get up to that with the economy, but you
never know. But that's uh Council Member
Hulie. That's where that came from.
>> Will that help with service delivery? We
had, I think, two instances where
Republic couldn't help us out as
intended this last year.
>> So, I wasn't here. I was in California,
but I came back. Um, I've known about
that.
It's an industry-wide challenge, and
here in Utah County, we have had
challenges hiring drivers with CDLs. Uh,
we've raised our rates and our wages,
hence, you know, that 2.5 floor. We feel
really good about it right now. Our
trucks are holding up. We continue to
hire. We're even offering uh people who
are interested in getting their CDL to
go out to Texas and we'll pay for it.
So, but we're feeling better and good.
>> So, yes, fingers crossed. I can't
promise it will always be perfect, but
that's what we hold ourselves to.
» Do you share what what does a driver
make on average?
>> I don't have that with me right now.
Yes. But I can bring it back. Yeah.
All
right, council. We did have kind of a
heads up from staff on this, what to
expect.
Um, and we did already have that
discussion about absorbing some of the
increase for our residents. We had that
ability to do so. Um my recollection,
you know, the having been on the council
all these years is that it has been a
very good uh relationship and
partnership and I remember many times
Ree saying, "Hey, we're increasing this
city this much, this city that much."
And he would hold it for us quite often.
So, um we we appreciate those
accommodations. Something that's been
beneficial for us that's remaining in
the contract is right now Republic
actually covers the cost of emptying all
of our city facilities. And so we do not
pay for garbage services disposal for
any city facilities. So that was
something that they we we kicked that
around as an option, but we we would
prefer to keep that. So
>> and you are our only city that has that
benefit. So [laughter]
>> don't tell the others yet.
Oh, we're telling them. Put it on the
Facebook with the Star Wars stuff.
Lincoln, you're my garbage guy. You
feeling okay about this?
>> You.
>> Okay. So am I.
>> Appreciate the conversations at ULCT as
well. Appreciate you helping us wrap our
heads around it. I'm I'm comfortable as
well.
>> Are you the motion man? Is what he's
asking. [laughter]
>> All right. This is yours, Lincoln. I
move to approve the solid waste contract
[cough and clears throat] addendum with
Republic Service as presented.
>> Second.
>> Have a motion by council member Jacobs
our trash ZAR.
>> I like that.
>> Council member Stewart,
>> his assistant Zar.
>> All right. All in favor?
>> I.
>> Thank you. And may the fourth be with
you. [laughter]
>> Nice sign on.
>> All right.
Okay. That takes us now to item number
14. This is a telecommunications
franchise agreement with First Digital
review and action.
So, uh, First Digital actually has some
infrastructure in our community. They've
put in some things and then have changed
from what I can gather they've changed
some parent company
um
sorry ownership issues and they wanted
to get a separate uh agreement that was
just first digital um instead of through
a subsidiary or parent company. And so
uh we've sent them a sample agreement
that we've used in the past. They were
just fine with it. Signed it, sent it
back, and they've paid their application
fee. So, this is a draft that we've
actually prepared as a city. We're
comfortable with this being approved
100%. So,
>> awesome.
>> What's the the the piece about the
automatic renewals is that
>> to save time? I that was the only thing
that made me go like do we want to have
a hard stop so that we can
>> where they have infrastructure buried in
our streets to say at some point we're going to term this agreement and
not allow it to continue. I don't know.
>> Pretty strange.
>> Yeah. Why we would do that. They they
pay a tax that comes through. It's it's
tax to end users. Uh clearly that's part
of the tax that we pay for our utilities
or for these different services. But,
uh, I'm I'm comfortable with that
automatic renewal. And so,
>> um, the other thing, it does provide a
little bit of a protection for us. We
did have a similar instance with another
franchise agreement that it had expired.
And for us to then enforce something,
that's problematic for us to say, "Hey,
we have an agreement that says you'll
take care of this issue because of your utility caused it." And then if our
agreement's expired, that can be
problematic. But,
>> and then did is have you ever had
problems with the restoration clause?
It's like as it was instead of as it
should be. Like if it was a cracked
sidewalk and pretty lousy to begin with.
They're not going to make a cracked
sidewalk. But I just thought, well, no,
we would
>> What section is that? Do you recall?
>> Restoration.
>> It was a restoration section.
>> Yeah, restoration clause. Any concerns?
>> No, that that is just the standard
language that they're not going to want
us to. Again, what that usually applies
to is if we've got a, you know, three
foot sidewalk that's there, we can't
make them come in and put a six foot
>> that that's that's where it's at. And
it's very standard that
>> we repair it to the condition.
>> That's 4.8 if you're looking for it.
>> Yeah, that's cool. It's not searchable
or else I just tell you to
>> Yeah, sorry about I just put in the
scanned copy that they sent back.
>> No, you're good. You're good.
>> Thanks. Those are my questions.
» Well, I'll make a motion.
>> Thank you.
>> I move to approve the franchise
agreement with First Digital as
presented.
>> Second.
>> Motion by Councilman Stewart, seconded
by Council Member Broader. Any further
discussion?
All right. Seeing none, I'll call the
vote. All in favor?
>> I.
>> Any opposed? Okay, that's unanimous.
All right, we'll get that signed away
tonight. All right, we're now going to
go into uh our last item on the agenda.
This is [clears throat] item number 15
to have a close session.
>> I move to enter a close session to
discuss potential purchase or sale of
real property.
>> All right, we have a motion by Council
Member Stewart, seconded by Council
Member Hoy. All in favor?
>> I I
go ahead and
I or do you want it with
>> that on the new recording, don't we?
>> Oh. Oh, yeah.
>> I was going to say
>> to go into the close session.
we need a
roll call vote.
>> Van Brick, I Lincoln Jacobs, I
>> Cole Hulie, I
>> Carolyn Lunberg, I
>> Jay Ky, I
>> Steve Stewart, I