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All right, I want to thank everybody for being here. If we can do a roll call, I have the roll.

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And again, just want to thank, I know we've got several people who will be council members

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and someone from Abdo's here.

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And then just want to welcome anybody who might be calling in as a resident.

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We're happy to have you here tonight.

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If we could look at the agenda and if you're okay with it, could I get a motion to approve the agenda?

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I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as presented.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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And then I'm going to try to do a circle.

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I'll probably hit Greg and then Brian kind of sequentially to approve the agenda.

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right Brian? So moved. Doesn't look like we have anybody here tonight for open

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forum so we'll move to consent agenda. Before we do I just want to do a special

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call out. I was at the Pleasant Street neighborhood party last Sunday.

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and the winners in the neighborhood got to go up 105 feet.

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It was quite the hit.

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And you know, I know that they were there.

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It was pure volunteer.

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The LAPD was there, wanted police officers.

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And they, you know, it's a Sunday afternoon.

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They give of their time.

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And it was nice because I do think

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that those neighborhood parties, it's just helpful for everybody

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to know your neighbors and kind of feel that connection

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and safety in the neighborhood.

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So thank you, they're not here tonight, but thank you.

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Consent agenda,

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Dave?

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Yeah, I got one comment about it.

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One of the things that the auditor has always said

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is that the bill should be presented to us

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in terms of check number.

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And if they're not presented to us

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in terms of check number,

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one of our responsibilities as a council member

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or is to go through and if we see a check missing,

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we're supposed to ask.

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And they're not presented in check number order.

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Dan, would you like to fill that?

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I would have to do a little bit more research

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in terms of, I can see there's check numbers on this.

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So it's saying check number order

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is when you prefer everything to be listed in.

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They need to be, in order for us to know

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if a check's missing is a council member,

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we can't tell if they're not in order.

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I will take a look.

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So I'm assuming it's just the formatting issue with this.

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A balcony from that with the audit team to make sure that that is the case.

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But as the case, we can adjust the reports to make sure that they are presented in check number order.

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Yeah, because we've got to get on this at the parks at the sewer commission about three years ago.

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So I don't know if they that's a responsibility and we'd be very well get given this year from our auditor.

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Otherwise, I'll make a motion to approve these consent agenda as presented.

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Do I hear a second?

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A second.

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Any discussion on the consent agenda?

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Otherwise, all in favor, Greg, I'm going to start with you.

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Brian.

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So moved.

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We have approved the consent agenda.

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Let's move right to the regular agenda.

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This is quite the tune that you gave us here, Dan.

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Yeah, may I have a second to be for you, Nate, is the city's 2027 preliminary levy.

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Before I get into it, I do want to give a quick thanks to both Jesse and the team from Abdo

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as well as Christa for the amount of work to get this prepared for you tonight.

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There's been a lot of work in terms of, not re-imagining, sort of, re-aligning how we

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do our budgets to provide some additional transparency.

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And I will say despite this being 150 pages, the format that we are proposing and you can

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be using moving forward will provide that additional transparency go to the council as well as the

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taxpayers at lunchroom.

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The format is fully adopted. From the top level position, this budget, what it does represent, is a 4.99% preliminary levied. As a reminder, council can always reduce from that amount between now and December, but it cannot increase from that 4.99%. This budget that we presented here tonight as well includes a general fund, but also a capital levied, so we split out the capital.

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amounts that we're putting, but dollars are putting away for future capital projects.

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This will, we want to turn and provide additional transparency to taxpayers in terms of what

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we're using for operations versus what we're using for future capital projects.

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As I mentioned, we're at that 4.99% and again, council can always reduce from that but can't

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increase once the preliminary budget is about tonight.

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With that, I'll kick it over to Jesse from Abdo, just to go over her presentation and look

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more detail on the 2027, Winston couldn't be preliminary budget.

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And great, go ahead.

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If we could, it's just Jesse, please understand.

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There's 150 pages here in a tremendous amount of detail.

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I don't think we can digest any more detail.

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I think we do need to keep it at a higher level because it was overwhelming.

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Yes, we're going to work on inactivate in a lot of those accounts that are at 0-2.

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So then as we progress through this, we'll start inactivating the accounts that have

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been zero for a number of years, so those banion reports will start to decrease as well.

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So we gave you the whole budget for now.

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Just know we're working through it.

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We're going to inactivate accounts inactivate some of that just to get that a little lower

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for you guys.

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so it won't be so overwhelming.

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But with that, thank you for having me tonight.

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Tonight, we're going to take a look at the preliminary budget.

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And once again, as Dan stated,

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that once a preliminary budget is set tonight,

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the levy cannot increase.

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So this is the do not exceed preliminary levy tonight.

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Tonight, I'm just going to cover some high-level tax levies.

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And then I'm going to hit high level

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the general fund revenues and expenditures.

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This slide, I believe it's page two of your council packet.

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This slide shows the tax levy for 2027.

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the tax levy is going to increase $198,604,

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which is that 4.99% increase.

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The top line of the top is the Jeco fund levy.

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That is going down about $872,044.

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dollars and that's a negative 22.73% and that is advanced data is due to us

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removing those transfers to capital in prior years and adding them to the

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capital levies as you see down below in that capital. So that's why you'll see

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a decrease in the general fund and then a larger increase in the capital levy. So

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that's where that difference is for there. And then I also want to point out the

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EVA levied that is remained steady at 1001,000 for 2027 as well.

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At the bottom of my slide here

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and that's not in your packets, I don't believe.

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The tax capacity, I haven't received that

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from the county yet.

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So once I received that, I will update that number

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and then that will in turn hit the city tax rate as well.

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And that is going to go down about 26,705,000.

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There's a number of different factors that are going into that bond payment.

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So we felt that it was sufficient to just levied that $13,295 for that.

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This slide shows the tax levied broken out according to the different types of levies.

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So the orange right there is the general fund levied and you see from 23 to 2026, it increased

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and then in 2027 it decreased and that is due to that capital levy there as well.

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The EDA levy is remained about the same throughout the five years.

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The green portion right there is that new capital levy.

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So since we took it out in previous years and added it, that's why you're going to see it for this year.

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And then at the very, very top there's that little then black piece that is the debt service levy.

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estimated property taxes for properties, this is totally estimated based on the 4.9.

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9.9% increase, and I do want to point out that this is not a zero-changered market value. We have not heard from the county what is an estimated market value yet for the year. So we're just presenting this as an estimated increase to the residents' property taxes. So with a $100,000 house, it's going to go up about $14, a $200,000 house is about increasing, about $40, a $300,000 house is going up about $60,000.

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$67, a $400,000 house is about $93, and then that half a million commercial property

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is going up about $219.

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And again, that is no market value has been assumed in it, and it is strictly estimated.

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Now I'll hit on the general fund revenues and expenditures just at a very, very high level.

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So on this slide you can see the general fund revenues broken out by the different types

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of funds that it is.

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And I want to point out that top line is showing that negative $872,000.

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That is again due to us removing those capital levies.

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that number is always going to be changing because that number is reflecting any offsets

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to increases in expenditures or decreases in expenditures.

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And also if we increase or decrease a revenue, that top line item right there is always going to be changing.

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So every time we present, you're going to see that changing if we're making changes to the budget.

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So I just wanted to point that out to you guys, because that shows a significant decrease in that.

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The next slide, I apologize, it's a little small, but I crammed it all into one slide.

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but here is the general fund broken down by the departments within the general fund.

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In your memo on page 4 and 5, I have explained all of the increases and decreases over $15,000.

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So if you guys want to take a look at that, you certainly can.

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And then also in the back of your packet where the main bulk of the memo was from,

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That is a revenues and expenses off of the banning records and as I pointed out before there's a lot of zeroes

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We'll start making our way through that to start removing some of those zeros that have been active for quite some time

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And the last slide I hear half here is this is a chart showing the percentages of the general fund with each type of department

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So the top three areas is the great portion there. That's a lakes area of police and that's about

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29.4% of the general fund budget. The streets is the second and that's the orange piece

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and that's about 28.4% of the general fund budget and then the city administrator is the darker

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green piece of it and that's about 10.5% of the general fund. And again I want to point out that

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the rest of the pages are banning mine items and with that I will stand for any questions you guys have

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for us. And I'm going to stop sharing my screen. So questions that we have for Jesse, Mike.

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Can I just on that, where says street department at 28.4, is that the whole salary, equipment,

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road, I mean, that's everything. That's everything.

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Okay. That is everything. Oh, the whole entire street budget.

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So all of these would be everything, you know,

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the cable, the statics, the administration,

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and the whole thing is all everything.

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There's nothing separate that comes out of this.

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Yep, that is correct.

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Greg, did you have a question?

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I did, just in general.

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Jesse, I appreciate you putting this together.

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What, what do you see as our pie pieces of the pie

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I as compared to other comparable size cities question yours is about average the same as every other city

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I've been working with the police departments always the highest you got the city administrator administration budget which includes

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numerous things. It's not just the city administration. It's includes a number of line items. That's normally seconds and then you

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have sometimes the fire departments third the streets you know it just depends on how large the city is

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but yours is very average with all the other cities that I have

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okay and I should know this follow question too so in regards to the

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the increases per

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1,000, 200,000, 300,000 for residential. I notice the portion of the residential is very similar, but then when you you jump to commercial, it seems a commercial is significantly as a percentage of increase is significantly higher. Is that normal, too, or is that what is it? Yeah, that is a different way we have to figure for the formulas, because commercial properties have stood a little bit different. It's just right.

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that the formatting more or less, it's not that we were exponentially raising it on commercial

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purposes. No, no. And I do want to point out to if you guys want to see some of my other cities,

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my larger or other cities, they don't start at $100,000 for the thing they start like at $200

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and go up to like six. So later on throughout the rest of the budget season, if you guys want me

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change that estimated property tax. Just let me know and I can adjust it to like a $200,000

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house to a $600,000 house, depending on what you guys want to see. So just keep that in mind for

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future. I don't think there's any $100,000 houses over here. Yep, yep, that's where yeah.

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So that's where if you guys wanted adjusted, just have let Dan know and he can let me know.

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So Mike, back to you on that contingent reserve, is that is that kind of average for cities of our size and stuff?

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I don't do much with contingent reserves right now is basically a placeholder for us.

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That's placeholding for when the health insurance amounts come in and when we have to start juggling numbers a little bit.

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Dan, do you want to add more to any of that?

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Yeah, no, I think that's fair statement.

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I think that's you summarized that well.

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through some consolidation and trying to go through all

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the multitude of spreadsheets that we've had

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to do to kind of consolidate,

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we want to make sure that we need to make some other adjustments

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to what we have some ability to do that

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without the need to set the levy artificially high.

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we have the ability to make those adjustments,

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and as well as when those unknown numbers come back,

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we have the ability to reallocate

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to those why items are needed.

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in the contingency or we are okay with it.

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You know, I mean, when we've looked at it,

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I think we're okay when I've kind of gone through

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sort of what I see if we can always reach out

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for all some stuff around.

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So I feel that that's a sufficient reserve

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to get us between now and your end.

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Yep.

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I would agree with that.

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So I have a question about intergovernmental looks like we dropped about 200,000 between 25 and 27.

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So what's intergovernmental?

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Intergovernmental and I will, I can tell you the line items.

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So when I do the budget, I take the revenues and we put them in little buckets.

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And one of them is inter-governmental, and what that includes is the fire state aid includes LGA.

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There we go.

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It includes the market value credit that the city sometimes receives.

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It includes a number of different things.

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And I think the reason why yours is going down is because LGA is being allocated between different funds.

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Dana, am I correct on that statement?

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Yeah, that's exactly correct.

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So even though we have not had that much reduction in LGA, it's because some of our LGA is not going to general fund.

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It goes directly to capital funds.

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So we have a reduction in LGA.

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What I have to do is basically what I had to do this year was go through and try to figure out what was in general fund, which is reflected in the intergovernmental and what was being allocated directly to capital funds.

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So I could look at what capital funds could have pulled back LG on without having significant impact on future purchases

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So it's not a that's not just reflective of just LGA

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There's other LGA being allocated other capital

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Yeah, and then how about miscellaneous Dan you probably know the answer to that

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This land is revenues. Yeah, miss I can speak to that. I have it right up in front of me here

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Okay. Thank you. We have franchise fees included in that. We have interest

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earnings as a big driver.

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We have some rental income, some street lighting fees,

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donations are also included in that tower antennas. Okay. It's a number of

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different items that we have.

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I've included in that. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, we just had higher income in 25 than what we're budgeting in 27,

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significantly.

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Other questions for this portion of our agenda? Other questions?

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I'll make a motion to approve resolution 2026091601 on page 182 of our packet for a baby limit of $4,176,628.

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Do we have a second?

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Do we have a second?

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Brian, did you give a second?

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We have a second.

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Now, do we have discussion on this?

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If not, should we just take the vote?

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We'll start here, Dave.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Greg?

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Aye.

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Ann Brine.

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Aye.

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So moved.

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You know, I want to ask a question, I just thought of.

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Now, in terms of the revenue sources,

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the missing units also include the transfers from the bars.

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That's what I was wondering.

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All right.

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I have to take it.

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Justin, you still have that off by chance is those.

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I do.

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Yep.

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It includes the transfers.

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Yep.

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The revenues do.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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It includes all revenue sources.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So we have approved that.

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I'm just trying to get rid of about 150 pages here.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Probably good call.

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Right.

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All right, there we go. I'm just literally going to get this. All right. Well, thank

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you, Jesse. Nice job. We appreciate this. Thank you. It was nice to meet everybody

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and I look forward to working the rest of the way through with Dan on the rest of the

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budget. Thank you. You guys have a great night. You too. Okay. Thank you. And Mr.

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Mr. Bachmeier, is not here, are you still in here?

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So I am feeling in about Payton and Brian tonight.

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So the before and tonight, May event's council is the Pay application for payment number one for the Elendum Mill and overlay.

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Back around this, North Valley Incorporated started working on the Elendum improvements in August 10th.

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They substantially completed all improvements except for the striping and signing, which I believe as of today's engineering meeting.

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It was either going to be scheduled for completion today or scheduled soon.

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I didn't have a chance to go back and verify that, but that work is forthcoming.

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The contractor has submitted partial payment number one for review and payment.

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The value of the work completed to date is 122,922, 32, deducting the retained results

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in a partial payment of 1,16,776,020 cents.

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It's recommended that the City Council approve partial payment number one in the amount of $116,000, $776,000, and $20,000 for the work associated with North-Old end mill and overlay.

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Do we have questions?

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to make a motion to put a pay North Valley Incorporated $116,770,116,776 dollars and 20 cents

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for actual repayment number one.

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Do we have a second?

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A second.

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So, discussion on this, any discussion on this project?

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It looks nice.

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It does look good.

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All right. Well, we'll run through this one again. Let's just do this routine again. Dave. Hi. Hi, Greg. Hi. Brian. Hi. So moved. We proved it.

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I'm nice project. I've only heard good things. So that's awesome.

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And it was one of two projects where I didn't get any calls while I was in the construction, which means it was well managed.

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So from my perspective, even better is a very, very well-run project, so Kudos to the team that worked on it.

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Yeah, and if I can while we're on engineering, I'm watching the live action of

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There are like 40,000, I'm not kidding, 40,000 pound equipment right outside my front door. It is, boy, you can just tell, they're organized. They know what they're doing. It's going well. Everything's marked. So live action seems to be going well and on track down at lift station number two.

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And when is that supposed to be done?

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Remember?

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Mid-October?

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Mid-October?

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Mid-October?

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Yeah.

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I don't know exactly.

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They did provide an update.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I thought so.

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All righty.

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Next up.

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The Lake Lane Listing Agreement.

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Mr. And I'm.

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So members of council.

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After multiple council discussions on the EDA's property,

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located at one, two, one, five, Lake Lane.

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That was looking for promo direction by council.

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on whether or not to pursue a listing agreement for the property.

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Additionally, staff is also requesting formal direction from council.

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If the direction is given to list, this list of property is either residential or commercial.

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Sort of based on sort of the long conversations you've had in past meetings.

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I did not do a full staff report here because you've had sort of lengthy conversations on this in the past.

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the requested action tonight from Council is a motion to direct staff to

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pursue a listing agreement for the property located at 1-2-2-1-5 way plain and

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additionally as a part of that motion staff would be quest direction on whether to

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pursue a commercial or residential listing for the property. With that I'm

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happy to answer any question Council has regarding the property or kind of the

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process today. Dave? Yeah, part of the process. What will we be getting in a

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or are we just going to use the list of suggestion price?

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That could be a part of the motion if you want to request an appraisal, we could have an appraisal done.

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It sits directly and I've listed properties that they've usually gone with the market, you know, the agents price.

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They typically price them according to what they feel the market would bear on them.

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But if there is a request for council for an appraisal, one could be performed on the property priority listing.

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I think residential is a little bit easier than municipal building until last one I got for this municipal building was right around 5,000 but residential praise I think are significantly cheaper because there's more people doing them trying to find a municipal praise for here was a little bit challenging but I would say probably a couple of thousand we a safe estimate between two and five but I don't I haven't had

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residential appraisal done for a while.

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Okay, it's a good question, Brian.

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Yeah, I guess this group, our team knows how passionate I feel about

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this particular property in this entire area.

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You know, it's something that I'm super passionate about that we've got this in our

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plan for it to be a potential commercial space or multi-family residential have it be a major

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development that's probably the largest EDA economic development opportunity we've had in

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many many years so you know and I think it takes a while for things to percolate and I'm very

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strongly for you know if we are going to list it to list this as commercial I do want to share

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There are some new news as of recent that my mom, who can align their earliest who owns

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the property, two-and-a-half acres approximately next to the Elm State's property, would be

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willing for the best of the community to list the property with the commercial riller and

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put it on the market.

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and she would like to see if if we've got an opportunity now with some of that land available if if her

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initiation of working with a commercial broker on this would help spur some conversations and some

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movement on that entire seven and a half eight acres she would she would be engaged after the

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about our men of our community.

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So I think the long-term tax revenue opportunities,

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the long-term pluses that that could give our city

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and our community to do the right thing out there

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and develop that property correctly.

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I don't think residential fits into that area.

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So she's willing to listen within the next 30 days

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your list for property to kind of spearhead

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some movement out there considering

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that's been something that's been discussed as we've

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We'd like to, people have discussed that or pushed those kind of thoughts and she's willing

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to put it on the market to hopefully get something rolling.

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So has she identified a firm

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or talked to any firms or, you know, she kind of, that's far along in her commitment?

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We did, we did initiate some initial conversations with Dan Freiner and he was recommending I get to reach out to him, but I'm just going to give you the name of the I think Brady Thompson, he's got the property up on.

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and he's renting for Carvita's.

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Yeah, and he just said he's a great guy in the know.

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And it would be a great start.

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So I just want to put that out to the council.

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I think that's the direction that we need to be going.

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I think, you know, I know we've talked about

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when I'm in the rental business,

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but I think certainly we are in the city planning business

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and responsible for the city vision.

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I can go through a whole list of that two pages of things that we've bought in the past.

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We bought the Donald Peterson's farm to create the industrial park that we have and expand the cemetery.

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We've been involved in the Sacred Regional Medical Center project.

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We've secured state bank and ring.

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We've had our hands in that.

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the city owned the old train depot where

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Berga's chiropractic building was built as a hospital we owned that property

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and sold that forward you know the split pairs we removed NAPCO the NAPCO

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building that a lot a lot to do with that movement almost rot we bought half a

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bowl lake in the past to get that to happen we bought the Anderson's you know

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working with the public trust to get that purchased Lake's regional EM, the Lake's regional

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emergency group that we've got next to City Hall there. We gave them the property to do that.

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We bought the old wall plant that where the fire fall sits. You know, that was that was something

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that we purchased and gave to our fire. We needed a new place for our fire department.

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That is

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I just think this is a heck of an opportunity out there.

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There's no personal win for me.

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Yes, my mom owns that piece of property.

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They've taken care of that property because of my dad.

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And so, but our families, you know,

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convinced that the right development out there in that area

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would be a great thing for our community.

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So, um, so that's what we'd love to see that go for the right the right thing and we definitely would get will get engaged with can't try to move the needle here. So.

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So that's I guess my two cents.

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I have got a whole list of that. We bought the sports shack property.

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We had to buy the property for the the fire hall to expand should there.

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So that's part of the vision is part of the way cities typically end up doing, moving the needle on some things is actually having to buy some property and do that.

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And the city, previous city councils have bought this property as well as part of their vision for that entire quadrant and put to that together a comprehensive plan that included that as a major redevelopment site and location.

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So I just would like to, you know, I'd like to move this forward in the proper way and we're willing to make the commitment there to help, you know, spur some conversations and some energy.

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So that's all I've got to share tonight on that subject. So thanks for listening.

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Okay. Thank you. For me, I'd like to speak up because I have said publicly if either

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me hands or nerilliases would get a commercial realtor who really knows the North suburned

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space and if they were willing to make that commitment, then I would be in favor of

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I want to list it, I don't think we should be in the real estate management rental business.

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I would be willing to vote in favor.

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So, I think the question before us is, you know, do you want to go forward? Or we could table this, give it 30 days, see if we get one of the two parties that looks like we'll get one of the parties to do a commercial listing.

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I

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thought it's on on it in that even if we sell it residential it can still it's still

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a zone for commercial so as far as the as far as people be able to use it but residential

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is probably the biggest value if we're going to sell it and since it's not really going

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to change it's it's availability. I mean people are going to buy into this commercial and

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and use it as residential, or they could literally just remodel the building that's there

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and end up with a commercial building that is used commercially, but not really expanding

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the whole project like what Brian is envisioning.

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So I mean, there's some, we're going to sell it, residential is the way to go because commercial

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is still available.

455
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,060
Can I just make a comment response on that?

456
00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:34,020
The problem with that, Dave, is that somebody invests more money into, sure, it might bring

457
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:38,940
a little bit higher price on the resale of that, I get it, which is really peanuts in

458
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:44,340
the grand scheme of things for, I think, that's my own opinion, is that the grander look at

459
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:49,720
this if we could have, I don't know, whatever, two, three hundred units of residential and

460
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:57,580
in a split retail portion of it. The tax impact of that down the road is enormous compared to

461
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,480
actually having this thing stay residential. If you sell it as residential, the problem with it

462
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:09,400
is somebody could live there for the next 30, 40 years and you can't remove them. You can't move the

463
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:16,900
needle on that. So I do think it's, I mean, if I was going to invest $3 million in building a new

464
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:21,320
building on my mother's property and you got residential next door to it or

465
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:27,200
somebody you invest in in front of the Elms Estates and you can't do anything

466
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,880
with that house. I think it's a subpar development. I don't think it gives

467
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,880
it's not the development that somebody potentially would want so I think at

468
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,180
least I mean I even I mean I took to compromise on that I mean what if we say we

469
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:48,280
listed commercially for a certain stretch of time and if it doesn't sell and not there's no movement

470
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:54,460
then we go to go to residential. It's kind of a compromise with that. I just think somebody buys

471
00:37:54,460 --> 00:38:02,160
that they can buy it as their home for the next 40, 50 years like it's been and it's we can't do

472
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:10,800
anything with it. So when I build around it with mostly commercial and there you go. So that's my

473
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,520
I respond to it.

474
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:12,660
So, my opinion.

475
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:18,100
Being, being zoned is B1.

476
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:22,940
It can stay, even though they buy it commercial,

477
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,980
it can still stay residential for 40 or 50 years.

478
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:29,280
If I could just add that,

479
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:32,520
you could also, when I've had conversations with Swarlock,

480
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,100
how do you guide an existing health as residential

481
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:38,040
and B1 district, you know, could you get the control

482
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,880
is the body who owns the property sort of have a more control where that that goes there are

483
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,300
things that you can write in the purchase agreement to encourage you know set up where it is

484
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:53,980
being used as a commercial not as a residential the trade-off with that is is that you put those

485
00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:58,020
caveats in there those agreements and the purchase agreement is the enforcement size you have to have

486
00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:02,120
the ability to want to go in there and be like hey you get what's that what's the what you know the

487
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,860
kind of mechanisms to enforce that commercial side of it ultimately if you really want to ensure

488
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:36,260
sure that it is going to be commercial long-term is to get rid of the house and you'd sell it to the dirt basically because it's the house that sort of wouldn't that there you could use the right because you can be used be one does a lot for single family dwellings to be there but there are some there are some things you can put into a potential purchase agreement of its contingent on a bigger development it's contingent on you know an approved site plan for this property there are some things that you can do that those sales then become contingent on

489
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:42,960
and it being utilized in a commercial redevelopment standpoint to try to help ensure that it is commercial

490
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,020
to avoid exactly what you say, somebody buying it a lower commercial price and then using it as a residential home.

491
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,860
So we've got, we've discussed this for a long, long time, at least a year and a half.

492
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,600
And I just want to make sure Greg or Mike, if there's something you want to say,

493
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,740
you have an opportunity.

494
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,140
Otherwise, we can entertain a motion.

495
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:09,460
You know, Brian, bring up some really good, good points.

496
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:18,500
My thought, and it's, it's, again, I'm not a real estate person, per se, but, you know,

497
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:25,200
those, Elmer states have been sitting there for, I don't know how many years now. And I just

498
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,740
I just want to get this off our rolls and let it fly where it is.

499
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:37,160
If I was a person and I know that that helps us for sale or whatever, and other commercial, I don't know,

500
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:45,080
I could see somebody buying the property that's those two and a half acres and then make an offer to buy that piece of property

501
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,900
from the person that has it now or whatever to do what they want.

502
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,720
I just don't know how long we want to wait for some commercial thing to come in there.

503
00:40:53,180 --> 00:41:00,620
You know, I look at, you know, expansion of highway 8, and, you know, they're very strict

504
00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:07,860
the men dot on adding more, and, you know, accident entries off of 8s and certain areas.

505
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:12,180
I don't know, Brian, that's, you bring up some really great points, kind of, just having

506
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:13,260
to think in a little bit, so.

507
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:18,460
If I could, I just want to piece to that, you know, and again, when you look at lifting

508
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:23,040
the property, you don't have to commit to a five-year term.

509
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,660
You can take a look at where we'll list it for 12 months, commercial, see what the market

510
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:27,320
brings back.

511
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:31,940
If it's absolutely, there's zero interest in the property for 12 months, I will probably

512
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:37,120
say based on where the market is, the residential sale is going to be easier to obtain than a commercial

513
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,560
sale.

514
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,400
But if you list it out there for 12 months, you can at least say, what is the market going

515
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:41,880
to bring?

516
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:47,660
And if it brings back nothing, you can re-evaluate your listing at that point kind of based on

517
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:48,580
on this criteria.

518
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:51,620
So I would say it's not something that you're marrying into this

519
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:53,980
until if you list it commercially for a year,

520
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,560
you're not committing to that forever.

521
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,640
You can kind of test it out and see,

522
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:00,660
hey, does this actually generate anything?

523
00:42:01,140 --> 00:42:02,420
But you could do the same thing the other way.

524
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:02,580
Exactly.

525
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,040
You could list it for six months,

526
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,760
for residential and not get anything,

527
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:08,200
and then go to court.

528
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,500
So I mean, you could go either way.

529
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:13,740
And I just think the sooner we get off our rolls,

530
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:14,600
the better.

531
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:15,620
Dave.

532
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:24,880
Yeah, ask you, what's the, how is the EVA is recently discussed this, or haven't you?

533
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,880
It was, we discussed it, sorry, Judy.

534
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:31,860
Yeah, go ahead Greg, you're the chair.

535
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:32,440
Go ahead.

536
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:39,520
So we discussed this not in the last meeting because it was already discussed prior to that.

537
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,860
Two meetings ago.

538
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:54,700
and the direction was that really, it could go either way, but it doesn't really bother anybody at that point in time, didn't bother anybody to sell it for residential.

539
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,900
And then last meeting we didn't even bring it up because it was brought up to console that after that.

540
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:09,560
Yeah, and I think they were looking for our direction because there had been some confusion

541
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:15,020
maybe a year ago, so I think the ball is in our court.

542
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:26,100
One kind of brainstorming would be if we do give it a month because you asked about getting

543
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:33,200
in an appraisal, if they go with a commercial realtor, this is not an appraisal, but we

544
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,880
could get a solid professional estimate of the property's worth.

545
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,720
And that would give us more information, so that would be one option.

546
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:50,020
But you know a commercial, what that small spot is not going to be appraised as high as a

547
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:50,780
host is going to.

548
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:56,760
Would and then this is the honest question would a commercial real-ter be able to give a good?

549
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:01,360
Residential analysis or would we need a

550
00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:04,240
residential real-ter I

551
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:10,910
Mean if you're if you're gonna sell it commercial you're you're selling a lot. You're not selling the house

552
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:13,170
You're just selling the land

553
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:18,430
I remember the house does need some work to be fully executive about this point

554
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:24,230
So I mean, there's a lot of, I mean, I'm happy to provide whatever information council needs to feel comfortable making the decision.

555
00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:30,210
I would say my experience in dealing with some of these brokers in the past, they are fairly specialized.

556
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:33,370
They're going to, if it's a commercial broker, they're more specialized in the commercial market.

557
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:39,130
I mean, they may be able to give an option or an estimate of what to be residential, but

558
00:44:39,130 --> 00:44:45,590
a lot of these guys are happily specialized in certain areas of the market and they don't necessarily have a lot of expertise in other areas.

559
00:44:45,590 --> 00:44:53,990
Because my concern would be we, if we choose to listen to commercial, it's just going to

560
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:59,430
sit and nothing's going to happen to it and it's going to get worse in the inside of

561
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:59,970
worse in the end.

562
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,960
And the outside, and the outside, and it could sit for another year and a half or two years. And it could do the same thing residential, but, you know, so, you know, if they buy a commercial, they're probably not going to keep the house. They're going to tear it down. And so, you know, they're going to, you know, they're going to look at that price and say, well, we'll give you this lower price because we're going to want to tear it down. And, you know, and at a point two, three acre or whatever it is. To me, it's just not that.

563
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:35,300
But I don't think it would put that big of strain on the other property that's for sale commercial.

564
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:37,940
So we certainly-

565
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:43,220
I'll say the last, you know, I'll be down on this because I don't think anybody thinks

566
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:44,540
this is that big of a deal.

567
00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:48,320
I think this is a huge opportunity for the City of Lundstrom.

568
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:54,860
I don't know why we have little interest in it, and I don't know why we're not getting

569
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:58,540
excited about the opportunity that we've got presented to us out there.

570
00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:01,080
It's so so I just

571
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:08,900
Brian are you suggesting that we buy all that two and a half acres plus that no, but it's but the majority of it is

572
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:16,100
Available for sales is this is a time when we've got we can have some say we've got a little skin in the game

573
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:25,400
Yes, it's a small postage stamp deal there, but to to not be have our us be a part of a bigger plan there and listed if my

574
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,920
and a mother's willing to list it for commercial,

575
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,640
and you list this lot for commercial,

576
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:33,220
and we get Rosita possibly to want to list it

577
00:46:33,220 --> 00:46:36,580
as commercial with, you know, get this thing,

578
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,320
give it some feet.

579
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,560
We're part of a player there,

580
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,060
and as I listed all these other things out before

581
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:45,720
that we purchased it in the past,

582
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,420
or have helped spur and make happen,

583
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:54,180
we're talking pennies about making an extra $50,000,

584
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:59,400
$1,000 or $100,000 in selling it commercially versus residential.

585
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,400
When we could be having a beautiful, huge opportunity out there.

586
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,860
So I'll be done.

587
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:10,060
We can step away from this thing.

588
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,640
We can keep our residential for years to come.

589
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,860
It's not, but we're at a point where I think with four lanes coming to the area, things are

590
00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:25,720
picking up the land is available. Man, I think we're missing the mark, but I'll be done with this.

591
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,320
This will be my last comment on it, so thank you.

592
00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:35,560
Yeah, yeah, because I think I don't want to keep rehashing what we've rehashed for 18 months. It's just not productive.

593
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:43,760
I think the new information, at least for me, brand new, is, okay, we've got a commitment from one of the two big property owners

594
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,700
to get it listed with somebody who can get this in the market and get it known

595
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:51,320
because we haven't really tested the market yet.

596
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:54,020
So I'll make a motion.

597
00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:55,340
Okay.

598
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,140
I will see if we can interact with it.

599
00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:01,720
But I'll make a motion to table this for 30 days and come back to it

600
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:03,740
at the next council meeting.

601
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Can we get a second on that, Dave?

602
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:11,420
No, I want to get a discussion.

603
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:13,020
Oh, okay.

604
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:14,820
You're going back to discussion.

605
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:19,520
let me go through and see if I can get a second. Can we get a second on that?

606
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,700
I'll give it a second.

607
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,880
I'll give it a second, so Dave, now let's go to discussion.

608
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:28,480
Another

609
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:36,610
30 days. What's going to happen in that 30 days is going to make a difference?

610
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:47,340
We will be speaking to a commercial realtor and we'll get some traction on that property.

611
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,380
And I think we could loop in, I'll certainly be talking to them about the cable house property and the importance of that.

612
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:04,760
If we see that it's not a clog in the wheel or a spoke in the wheel then I'll give that feedback to the group here.

613
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:12,480
But I'd like to get some I'd like to get talked to Rosita tried calling her a couple times and see if we can

614
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:20,620
Put something together here that would work. So if not, so eat, throw it in that way

615
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:25,880
So now, so now I'm hearing that we want to be the

616
00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:33,350
We want to put bring the people together and say this is what we want to see happen to this property

617
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:39,950
Is that what I'm hearing or for what I'm hearing is we've got one of the two big

618
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:48,270
property owners this will end so say that lady decides not to listen or doesn't

619
00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:54,670
want to do that then we're right back to where we were before and you know you

620
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:59,310
know I don't know I you know we could we could go on for the next six months yeah

621
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:26,420
I just don't think there's a, I don't think there's a rush. I don't think there's, I don't think we're missing anything here, but not, uh, so what you're saying a lot of time. We could wait, so you're saying we could wait another five years, if we want. No, I'm not saying that I'm not saying that we need to do that. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that, but I'm just saying, um, you know, things have changed on, you know, my family's willing to come under table on it.

622
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:40,300
And if we can see if Rosita and if the city's part of one of the players at the table because they own part of that property and we can look at maybe one bigger listing or

623
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:48,080
you know other opportunities to go back to some some developers and discuss what might want to be there.

624
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:51,420
You know or the EDA discuss what they love to see out there.

625
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:54,760
but they could be another six months or a year.

626
00:50:55,340 --> 00:50:58,480
Yeah, with the discussion, Brian, and I agree with you.

627
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,060
You know, so there's a motion on the floor.

628
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,380
To table for one month.

629
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:12,600
And I would like to reframe table for one month.

630
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:17,560
We would evaluate did the, and it's not the family, it is.

631
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,580
Caroline Nurellius is the owner, did Caroline Nurellius sign up so that we know

632
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:28,720
that there's commitment there, sign up with a commercial realtor we could see

633
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:35,880
the listing. That would be very helpful. So not just talk about it but actually

634
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:42,920
have a commitment. So if this other person chooses not to list it commercial,

635
00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:49,010
are we

636
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:50,190
we then going to move forward.

637
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:52,170
Do you mean Rosita?

638
00:51:53,170 --> 00:51:55,150
Rosita, it has been listed commercial.

639
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:56,590
It has been listed, but she's going

640
00:51:56,590 --> 00:51:58,630
to be able to put it right.

641
00:51:59,150 --> 00:52:03,930
She is the problem has been, according to the market,

642
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:06,370
I'm just repeating what I heard from the market,

643
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:11,410
that the listing for the Mehan and Elms Estate property

644
00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:16,030
was it started out about four or five times market value.

645
00:52:16,030 --> 00:52:23,630
It has come down, but what I've heard more recently is it is still above the sale price

646
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:28,010
of similar properties along Highway 8 between Lindstrom and Shasago.

647
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:33,030
So her issue, she's been doing it commercially, her realtor has.

648
00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:44,930
I think the price has been probably the problem probably and I'm just sharing what I've heard

649
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:46,710
from realtors in the space.

650
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:58,570
But if, you know, I view this as if there's some movement there with other people, maybe

651
00:52:58,570 --> 00:53:04,330
we, you know, maybe somebody could help her look at market competitiveness.

652
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:06,690
I will second that motion.

653
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:08,950
Oh, we've got the motion in second.

654
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:10,270
Are we ready?

655
00:53:10,530 --> 00:53:10,950
Are we ready?

656
00:53:11,290 --> 00:53:11,930
Do we get a second?

657
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:12,790
We did get a second.

658
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:13,830
I seconded it.

659
00:53:13,830 --> 00:53:16,590
So I could open discussion because they wanted to discuss.

660
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:19,210
But are we, I think we're ready?

661
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:25,290
Yes, I don't, this has been a big one, but I think we're ready to at least get a vote.

662
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:26,430
30 days, we said.

663
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:27,250
30 days.

664
00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:35,430
The, you were discussing about having to actually be listed in the 30 days.

665
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:36,330
That one, yeah.

666
00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:39,490
Now is that going to be, change to the motion?

667
00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:44,410
If I could, that's a part of the, you're just table in the discussion, the decision point

668
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:48,510
30 days, you know, putting contingencies like a what drives a decision one way or the other.

669
00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:52,650
You don't want to reserve that until the discussion 30 days, you know, the October meeting.

670
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:53,810
Till the October meeting.

671
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:54,370
Let's clarify.

672
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:57,190
I know it also clarifies that the third day, so we don't have to call a special meeting in

673
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:57,550
30 days.

674
00:53:57,610 --> 00:54:02,050
We just say move it to October 21st, the city council meeting, so we're not having to do

675
00:54:02,050 --> 00:54:03,670
a 30 day special meeting notice.

676
00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:08,990
But it would also sort of take away the caveats of take a look at this, flash with those

677
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:12,830
news with a new way to land within the coming of the October 21st

678
00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:15,810
meeting versus the 30 days just someone at the call special.

679
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:18,370
I love meeting every night but you know I don't want to have that.

680
00:54:18,430 --> 00:54:24,110
I don't agree with I do agree with you know there there has been a change

681
00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:29,950
for the good you know on some movement and I think

682
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:36,230
30 days is not going to make a big a big decision either way you know either way

683
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:41,530
right now is not going to change a lot of things. I think that's a good thing to

684
00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:48,510
wait 30 days and see what happens and Brian's mom is willing to do some really

685
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:54,550
good things there. So I would like to take a shot at it. So now when I call for a

686
00:54:54,550 --> 00:54:59,970
table, do I do I need to? I would just get a book. Yeah, it's

687
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:29,980
Let's put some criteria on this. If we're going to table it, I don't want, I mean, Mike, I think you touched on this. I don't want it to be, well, Rozeet is not doing this or whatever it is. We've talked around this thing. So many, many times. And how long has it been on the market?

688
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:36,420
the market and off the market and in front of the process of being dismantled from a trailer park and all the stuff.

689
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:46,620
I would want to have exactly what's got to happen in order for us to go forward with this being a commercial property per sale.

690
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:50,380
Otherwise, you're still talking around in circles.

691
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,080
I was just going to ask a question.

692
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,800
and I mean, I'll take back my motion.

693
00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:02,640
I don't know that this council is ready to make the commitment

694
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,500
that it's gonna take to actually be a player

695
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:09,140
in trying to redevelop this seven, eight acres.

696
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,020
I don't hear it in anybody's voices.

697
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,460
I don't hear any interest in it.

698
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:16,200
It's not just a 30-day deal, it's not.

699
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:20,260
It's gonna take, we're gonna go through a comp plan.

700
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:22,660
We're gonna talk about what needs to be there.

701
00:56:22,660 --> 00:56:35,140
this is this is putting together a major a major project for the community. So what

702
00:56:35,140 --> 00:56:52,560
I'm hearing is that nobody's really interested and I'll take that. No, that's not at all. That is not at all. No. I'm not and no drama here. I'm just saying. I don't know that because it's not if it's not going to just take. It takes a commitment from the city to

703
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:58,560
get behind something. You're conflating. Brian, you're conflating two different things. One is we're just

704
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:04,720
trying to get a commitment from one of the two big property owners to kind of jump in. And we want to

705
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:09,740
know if that's going to happen. We never said, Hey, we have to have a comp plan and a, you know,

706
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,780
everything done. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm just talking

707
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:19,500
about are we interested in? Are we interested in if something is going to happen? Does or whatever is,

708
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,620
are we interested in putting the work in for it?

709
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,820
I don't know.

710
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:25,900
So that I don't think we want to get it.

711
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,720
We do not want to entertain that tonight.

712
00:57:29,060 --> 00:57:31,160
So either you have a shot at going through

713
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,760
and we can vote on this and table it

714
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,040
and evaluate if, indeed,

715
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,320
one of the major property owners listed

716
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,760
or does he even have the right to pull his motion back?

717
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:43,900
Yeah, he means the most.

718
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,620
Okay, so, or you can just pull your motion back

719
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:50,220
and we'll proceed and maybe come up with a different motion.

720
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:54,430
So what's your preference?

721
00:57:55,090 --> 00:57:56,290
Well, I guess we'll take the vote on it.

722
00:57:56,550 --> 00:57:56,910
Okay.

723
00:57:57,330 --> 00:57:57,530
Okay.

724
00:57:58,210 --> 00:58:03,770
So anything else, and I do want to make sure everybody's had their discussion points.

725
00:58:03,950 --> 00:58:06,830
I'm kind of looking at non-verbals, but Greg, how about you?

726
00:58:07,830 --> 00:58:07,990
Yeah.

727
00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:15,030
Again, I just want to get clarification on what will happen over the next 30 days in order

728
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:20,450
for us to change the direction of what, like Brian had said, everybody is leaning.

729
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:26,850
I'd rather, again, we've talked around circles about this, what it has,

730
00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:32,630
what is going to happen, if we're going to table this in 30 days, what is going to happen?

731
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:37,570
And if I could just add a point of clarification on the table, is that you're going to want to see,

732
00:58:37,930 --> 00:58:42,270
you're just basically delaying a decision on this for 30 days, I would say at this point,

733
00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:48,010
the legal land comes out and say the property gets listed, not our property, but the adjacent property gets listed.

734
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:53,610
That changes the parameters so we can have that conversation in 30 days from,

735
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:58,090
not 30 days on a October 21st meeting, based on the current condition saying,

736
00:58:58,190 --> 00:59:00,290
hey, we have an adjacent property and that's not listed.

737
00:59:00,650 --> 00:59:03,650
Does that change council's perspective on how to list this?

738
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:06,890
I think to put parameters on it right now, it's sort of given assurance that, hey,

739
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:12,190
if all this happens, we're going to go a certain way, I would reserve that conversation until October 21st.

740
00:59:12,190 --> 00:59:16,550
or make a decision tonight to list it based on the current conditions.

741
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:18,210
Okay, that's here.

742
00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:18,930
Yeah.

743
00:59:19,570 --> 00:59:19,750
Okay.

744
00:59:21,330 --> 00:59:26,430
So we are, and we've got the date here of the 21st, yeah.

745
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:34,010
All right, so is everybody gotten their questions, concerns, discussion points out?

746
00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:37,930
Okay, can you clarify the motion again, please?

747
00:59:37,930 --> 00:59:49,370
So, the motion is to table this decision until October 21st.

748
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:51,170
In order for what?

749
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,980
So you're basically taking this conversation right now, it might up the new because you heard that there's new development, so there's more.

750
01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:25,960
So, you're taking it with the new state of play in 30 days from now. If that actually listing has occurred, you make your Congress, you make your decision based on the fact that the adjacent property owner has listed at that point. I would call it against putting parameters on. We're only going to do it if these things happen or not, because you can't control it. You're basically looking at this 30 days from now in, excuse me, not 30 days.

751
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,140
to be back in the same conversation.

752
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,100
Well, that's why I was just trying to conflate anything.

753
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,580
I was just trying to say, is this group going to change?

754
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:36,540
This isn't the right time, Brian.

755
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:38,560
This isn't the right time to get over.

756
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,200
Yeah, I'm just trying to help you here.

757
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:40,720
I am.

758
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,340
So I would say if I could help, I can't provide some context.

759
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,860
So when you have this conversation,

760
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,720
if it is table in October 21st, you're

761
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,540
having a conversation of, hey, the adjacent property

762
01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:51,160
owner is not listed with a broker.

763
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,760
That's a commercial broker.

764
01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:54,240
Does that change anybody's opinion?

765
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:01,480
It's not a, and if nothing changes in the next, from now until October 21st, that's information.

766
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,560
So in essence, it's basically, it's kind of holding this decision back until the 21st.

767
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:10,980
So really, all it's going to change is either we sell it as residential or we sell it as commercial.

768
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,160
Basically, the only thing that's going to change is still, as far as I'm seeing right now, there is still

769
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:21,480
agreement to list the property. But the change would be, are the adjacent property owners more engaged

770
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,200
and they told you to wait another 30 days to make that decision.

771
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:26,400
I'll be there doing a commercial work with that.

772
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:28,480
Because you may have an adjacent property who's down the market

773
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,620
that may impact decisions from the council.

774
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:36,180
So that's the motion, and you can either, you know, say,

775
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,460
I agree or I don't, right?

776
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,600
But we've got a clear motion.

777
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:46,210
So let's, I'm going to call the vote.

778
01:01:46,650 --> 01:01:47,930
I'm going to start up Greg.

779
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:49,670
Hi.

780
01:01:50,570 --> 01:01:50,990
Brian.

781
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:56,540
Again, Mike and

782
01:01:58,840 --> 01:01:59,400
I'm an I.

783
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:05,380
So we've got until October 21st to reevaluate.

784
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:13,980
And I think without putting specifications, I think we're pretty clear that we're going

785
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:20,680
to be looking for new information that will help us make a decision on October 21st.

786
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,780
Ryan, thanks for bringing that up, so that kind of changed the perspective on some things.

787
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:27,460
Thanks.

788
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:27,960
Thanks, Mike.

789
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:29,600
I think, yeah.

790
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:30,300
Thank you.

791
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:31,300
Definitely.

792
01:02:32,580 --> 01:02:35,300
So, good, good discussion there.

793
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:38,520
A little bit of a surprise, but good discussion there.

794
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:42,980
Hey, let's go to speed limit reduction.

795
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,840
There was a council that's a little bit lighter topic for tonight.

796
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Back in April, beginning of this year, we talked about reducing the speed limits of the possibility of reducing the speed limits across the entire area of the city of the eastern from 30 to 25 miles per hour.

797
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:10,380
We never took any formal action on it, other than Brian, Black Bear presented sort of a process to make kind of a procedural idea of what it would look like to go from 30 to 25.

798
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:24,680
And one of the takeaways from that meeting was to have staff as part of the Carl Oscar day's booth was to do an informal polling of residents and attendees to see whether or not they favored a reduction in speed limit.

799
01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:29,420
I will say this is not a scientific or statistically valid study.

800
01:03:29,620 --> 01:03:35,700
We had people basically just drop a stone in a jar saying yes, reduce the speed limit or no, don't reduce the speed limit.

801
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:40,320
But what's presented tonight are the results of that survey.

802
01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:44,660
So during the event, we had a total of 121 votes cast.

803
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:51,420
Of those votes, the majority, 64% or 77, were in favor of reducing the speed limit.

804
01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:58,900
And 44 or 36% were voted to keep the existing speed limit of 30 miles an hour.

805
01:04:00,140 --> 01:04:04,860
A couple of key takeaways and then from a polling was that it does show that there's community

806
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:11,700
support for reducing the speed limit in the city of London some 25 miles per hour, I will note,

807
01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:16,760
though, as a part of that, many of the people that staff spoke with were supporting

808
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,860
of reducing the speed limit on highway 8. And they found out that that was not included.

809
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:26,380
They either locked away or kind of held back their vote as a result because their main focus was

810
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:33,240
the speed limit on highway 8. And other ones had said that some of the ones that did vote know

811
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,340
had said they would have voted yes had highway but included. So again I would say the majority of

812
01:04:37,340 --> 01:04:42,620
people who voted were primarily concerned with highway 8 versus residential streets once we said no

813
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:48,340
it's just residential streets they kind of had less interest in voting. Additionally there was

814
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:54,120
additional concerns expressed about the speed limit on a winded trail. Again many attendees

815
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,780
indicating they thought the speed limit on that road was too high as well. So when they came to the booth

816
01:04:58,780 --> 01:04:59,820
What's the light? Does this include highway?

817
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:29,500
No, there were quite a few people who did walk away at that point. But this is just, again, provided for council information, just trying to close the loop on that request that was presented earlier in April. If council decides they do want to move forward with a speed limit reduction. I did talk to Bachmeier this afternoon at a regular scheduled meeting. There is a process we can follow to do so, but we would need to order a number of additional speed limit signs, and there was a cost associated with that in the city.

818
01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:36,060
So, but is I think the purpose here was to get information. I don't know that we're in an action

819
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:45,380
mode here. I certainly, you know, pushed for let's get some information. I don't think I'd

820
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:52,020
base it on a Carl Oscar day, you know, put it in this one or that one. However, I do think you're

821
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:58,520
getting a little bit of a sense that people like slower. I also think that it's very possible that

822
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:05,800
that we ourselves will be facing the highway 18 or the mendad team in a few years and saying,

823
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,380
hey, would you consider dropping highway 8 down to 25?

824
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:11,540
And that conversation, Judy, may I?

825
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:12,140
Yeah.

826
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:17,400
When Dan and I were with those people, we brought that conversation up.

827
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:23,900
And of course, their first thing is they'll do the study, you know, they'll have them

828
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,940
I mean that always has these studies for everything which, you know, but they said they would

829
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:32,400
look at that, you know, with going to four lanes and, and, you know, going back and forth,

830
01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:33,340
how much is that going to change?

831
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,260
How much is going to change when they finish the road going down from, from, uh, Lindstrom

832
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:41,780
all the way to Taylor Falls and how it's going to make the traffic flow.

833
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,860
But they weren't negative about reducing that speed.

834
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:51,180
They just said, you know, we would, we would do a study to see how that affects the flow

835
01:06:51,180 --> 01:06:57,640
of going through there, and I got into it saying narrowing down the lanes and doing some other things, but the

836
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:03,740
positive of that was that they were willing to work with us to see if that would be something we could do on

837
01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:12,780
highway 8. And I believe that it would look pretty odd if we voted and said no, no, no, we have to keep ours at 30, but

838
01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:18,300
we want you to put it at 25 through the middle of the town. So Dave.

839
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:22,620
I am looking at this from a different perspective.

840
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,320
If we're the only one literally in the forest that is different,

841
01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:30,520
everybody's used to 30 miles an hour in every other city.

842
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:37,680
Even if we got it fully signed, and 30 is going to be the speed

843
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,520
that they're, I mean, everybody knows what 30 miles feels like

844
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,040
with your car, and they're used to driving 30,

845
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:52,200
And they're not going to be used to coming down to 25 in one city when every other city is 30 in the state of Minnesota.

846
01:07:52,980 --> 01:08:03,200
I think that unless we can get the whole damn county to go to 25 that it's really really a moody issue could be.

847
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,400
Okay, other discussion pointed tonight. It's just information.

848
01:08:08,660 --> 01:08:37,280
I was just going to mention, um, is it maybe a call for doing some, um, policing of speeds on some back streets, side streets, some more random streets than we typically are hitting highway eight up, but I don't, I don't usually see a police officer catching speed on plus and happening or some of the other streets that maybe some of these people are saying, hey, it's not that it's the speed posted 30.

849
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:43,580
It's these people that come racing through a 40, 45 miles an hour on a 30, you know, post.

850
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,840
And I think there's some, there could be some truth to that too.

851
01:08:46,540 --> 01:08:47,740
Yeah. Yeah.

852
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:53,040
And I think there's some places in town that absolutely cannot handle 30 miles an hour.

853
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:57,700
And those are the ones that I do think we should, you know,

854
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,260
hard jobs should be to represent the people in the neighborhood of express complaints about that.

855
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,420
And we need to, we don't necessarily do something every time.

856
01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:10,060
but I think we need to be respectful of that.

857
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,380
I'll let them know with the schools, with all those kids walking in school,

858
01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:15,940
riding their bikes, crossing the street.

859
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,320
There's got to be a way to reduce that somehow.

860
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:22,960
Through the county and health that way.

861
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,540
Through the county, so other, and this is just, it's information.

862
01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:34,780
We can do more, we can certainly kind of be on board,

863
01:09:34,780 --> 01:09:42,080
paid attention to what the highway 8DL is. You know, I drive through St.

864
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:47,640
Cry, I drive through Oceola, and quite frankly I like 25. I have to

865
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:52,440
mentally adjust, but it helps you to, they have similar to us, they have kind of

866
01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:59,260
nice downtowns, and it feels good to drive a little bit slower through those

867
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:59,800
down town.

868
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:16,300
They also have really hilly backstreet in St. Croix, and it makes sense to me that you go a little bit slower. So, is there any particular at next step action? This was meant for discussion?

869
01:10:21,190 --> 01:10:21,190
Okay.

870
01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:32,830
Can we maybe just revisit this in 27? And also keep tabs on Highway 8.

871
01:10:32,830 --> 01:10:34,330
eight. Yep.

872
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:41,520
We good with that? This will be added to the speed limit file that we have on

873
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:50,680
yeah with the engine air. I'd love to get the county. Let them know that hey we're like a

874
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:59,460
look at reducing on Holanda maybe even through time on 20 and you know get the county involved a

875
01:10:59,460 --> 01:11:04,340
a little bit to hate, you know, you're not, you're not, those are your roads, or there's

876
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:07,980
the area roads in a sense that, you know, but they're going through our city, and we are

877
01:11:07,980 --> 01:11:12,400
concerned about traffic flow and accidents and everything else, and they get them a little

878
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,400
more involved, that we're really looking at that, especially, I guess, through the residential

879
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:24,880
parts of, at least from us all the way through, through a little bit of all the way past Kaishai

880
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:31,000
and going from 20 all the way past all the residential places until you hit, you know,

881
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,880
go past Whiskey Road there and stuff, then you can get 50 and go and everything else should

882
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,920
be slowing down through town.

883
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:40,560
Okay, so we're good with that.

884
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:46,260
Now we're moving to staff updates, Dan, LAPD building update.

885
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,640
So this is the latest in grants that got this about four hours ago from Bill before you left.

886
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:59,980
So, Chicago is meeting next Tuesday to discuss the cross-annison report, the first draft of it.

887
01:12:00,380 --> 01:12:02,320
So, they're meeting in a special session next week.

888
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:08,440
To talk about it, once they meet, we'll know more information whether they accepted it,

889
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,640
have an offer, you know, kind of what their proposed, you know, what their preferences for a new building.

890
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:19,200
But they did meet cross-annison, it's going to be sending over the report and they're going to

891
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:24,920
next Tuesday and special session to discuss the results and then once we get kind of the

892
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,820
results of that meeting, we'll kind of know next steps, but some good positive movement

893
01:12:28,820 --> 01:12:32,000
there at dates on the calendar for the start of the meeting and we'll get next to Tuesday

894
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,740
what Bill told me.

895
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:34,900
Thank you.

896
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,420
That's exciting news.

897
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:41,030
Any comments on that?

898
01:12:43,730 --> 01:12:45,810
Otherwise, I had put a note here.

899
01:12:45,930 --> 01:12:49,570
Could you just give us a little update on what's coming on the work session, the next work

900
01:12:49,570 --> 01:12:50,150
session?

901
01:12:50,150 --> 01:12:55,730
Yeah, so the interim's council, the big topic for the next council work session is going to be going over the

902
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:57,950
Capital accounts for the city

903
01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:01,270
We got the preliminary budget done now

904
01:13:01,790 --> 01:13:09,130
I've been working through and reorganizing or not and sort of read as Jesse put it putting different buckets for our capital accounts

905
01:13:09,130 --> 01:13:11,130
I'm kind of consolidating our capital accounts

906
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:18,370
Staff are we meeting internally prior to that meeting to sort of set up we've kind of already set up from a capital planning

907
01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:20,710
project perspective and bring that forward to council.

908
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:26,650
But between now and October as you sort of have ideas for projects that you'd like to

909
01:13:26,650 --> 01:13:30,450
see included in there, I'm not intending October's recession to really kind of, we're not

910
01:13:30,450 --> 01:13:30,950
going to rank them.

911
01:13:30,970 --> 01:13:35,970
I just need to know kind of what we're kind of looking at wanting to include, because what

912
01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:39,730
we're doing right now is that we've had about 14 or 15 different capital accounts.

913
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:45,210
It's been hard to track, we're trying to provide more transparency of if we do project A.

914
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:46,950
How does that impact other projects?

915
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:52,330
So, we'll start looking at the high-level structure of it in October, but also bring

916
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:56,150
if you have projects that you know you'd like to see, include it in the future capital

917
01:13:56,150 --> 01:14:00,590
plan, bring ideas for that to October's meeting, and we'll start looking at getting those

918
01:14:00,590 --> 01:14:02,530
included in the correct bucket for October.

919
01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:08,770
No, you would know there are enterprise funds, will this also include capital for the enterprise

920
01:14:08,770 --> 01:14:09,050
funds?

921
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:14,350
My goal is I'm hoping to bring at least an idea for capital because sewer and water do

922
01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:16,850
We have had roads in terms of how we're doing that.

923
01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:18,610
There's capital projects in there as well.

924
01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:21,650
Bear in mind, this is not going to be a final list.

925
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:26,610
I have, you know, I mean, I have gone through hours

926
01:14:26,610 --> 01:14:28,270
and hours, hours of spreadsheet trying to consolidate

927
01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:29,990
how all this functions.

928
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:32,930
But we'll bring at least a high level analysis

929
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:36,150
of the sewer water funds as well for the meeting.

930
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:38,390
It won't be, these are not going to be final lists.

931
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:40,930
I'm just trying to memorialize what was,

932
01:14:41,070 --> 01:14:43,090
what we have been saving for, kind of having patent

933
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:44,850
and top look at those lists as well to say,

934
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:46,010
are these still the priority products

935
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:47,070
from a staff perspective?

936
01:14:47,550 --> 01:14:49,030
So if something that, you know,

937
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:51,690
with Adam, like a piece of equipment, for example,

938
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:53,950
that paint no longer needs what we've taken off,

939
01:14:54,230 --> 01:14:55,530
I really want to focus on it.

940
01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:59,330
Is there something that council wants us to start pricing out?

941
01:14:59,530 --> 01:14:59,910
What are those?

942
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
I want to see those bigger projects that council wants us to at least acknowledge it in a certain point. We'll have to go through a shrink choice and see when we sequence them in. But from now until then, bring those ideas of what you want to see included in a future capital list. And don't focus on, I want to see this vehicle or this. This is more bigger. I want to see parks. I want to see downtown areas. I want to see some other areas of the time. I want to, you know, build a major, whatever it is. Just bring the ideas in. Talk to us. We can start taking a look at what we want to have included in.

943
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:30,920
future capital plans.

944
01:15:33,060 --> 01:15:34,680
So Dan, you also gave us homework.

945
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,600
I don't know exactly when.

946
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,880
But we were asking about, what about Park Street?

947
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:42,800
What about this or that?

948
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,200
And you gave us homework to send you a list.

949
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,180
Did we do that?

950
01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:49,540
Not everyone did, but again, it sort of

951
01:15:49,540 --> 01:15:52,700
bring those lists to October.

952
01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:55,920
I mean, this has capital plans evolve.

953
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:57,760
I'm looking at a starting point to start

954
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,520
to be like, what else do I want to,

955
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,520
You know, what are we messing with as you guys sit in kind of dreams?

956
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,260
Capri Wattlandstrom to be get those ideas, it's not the intent where I'm going to say this project.

957
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:10,760
Yeah, I won't be able to say this is a 65,000 project we're going to do in five years,

958
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,860
at least to get an idea, price out what a X project would look like and what bucket does it come in.

959
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:24,660
And the police kind of puts the, you know, I mean, because there are some things I would like to see done,

960
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:27,420
but I don't want to bring it up until we know what's going to happen.

961
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:34,720
And nice, I have those building projects right now in a capital improvement bucket that

962
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,280
are noted that depending upon what we do with the police may have to advance or may not advance,

963
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:45,860
which that's why I'm saying after we're not going to be able to like fully adopt this is

964
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:50,980
sort of the first step in getting a capital plan together. Because we have two buildings that are

965
01:16:50,980 --> 01:16:54,100
said, now you're right, now that we can be doing some things with some of that.

966
01:16:55,620 --> 01:17:01,020
So Judy, I just have a question on your comment about homework.

967
01:17:01,580 --> 01:17:01,720
Yeah.

968
01:17:01,820 --> 01:17:08,520
So when we had our prioritization meeting, where we brought that company in and we all

969
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:15,980
sat around and did our priorities for the overall project and that, I thought was fairly clear

970
01:17:15,980 --> 01:17:18,420
of what about what all our direction was.

971
01:17:18,740 --> 01:17:22,000
Are you talking about additional priorities above and beyond that?

972
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:28,280
No, we got into in the meeting and we were saying like, hey, what about, you know, is

973
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,340
there money in the Park Street parking lot budget?

974
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:31,680
What are we going to do?

975
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,380
Are we going to finish that off?

976
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:41,060
There were some questions about, I'm summarizing Dave Phil or Dan, but, you know, have we finished

977
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:43,280
some of the projects that we were going to do?

978
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:48,620
have we finished some of the things we're going to be working on and you know

979
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:52,400
and certainly I brought to park board stuff around like coffee kind of park I

980
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,980
mean go up there and look it needs some work but that's no longer in the

981
01:17:55,980 --> 01:18:02,740
park that's in a different area so I put a list together and I sent it to you

982
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:09,120
and I thought you had told us all to get it back to you and what I would say so

983
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,600
So this is sort of maybe how to put some clarity on this.

984
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,060
So we have, like, take the downtown sign and fit in finishing

985
01:18:16,060 --> 01:18:16,980
as a guy that first developed.

986
01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:21,580
So we picked parts of that off as part of what we use the excess funds

987
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:23,260
relate to the parts you're part cannot do.

988
01:18:23,780 --> 01:18:26,000
But there have been some conversation in the past that, like,

989
01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:29,100
what does it take for us to fully do everything in that list?

990
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,020
The question before council, is that still a priority?

991
01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:34,560
You want to put those in capital plans and certain the sequence

992
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,580
that out so we can start saving for that because that impacts

993
01:18:37,580 --> 01:18:42,140
the capital levy or are we looking at other projects as a priority you know

994
01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:46,460
because again full disclosure we have limited funds to do where sort of those

995
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,260
priorities I'm not saying actually we're going to sit down and say we're going

996
01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:54,240
to weigh out electric monument sign that Bruce and Vision is that more important

997
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,540
than building upgrade that's at a future conversation I need to know sort of

998
01:18:58,540 --> 01:19:03,680
what are those projects that we want to at least acknowledge to make sure that

999
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:20,780
But these capital plans reflect the council's vision for they want the city to go, and I'm also coming into this meeting where there's going to be specific parameters for what qualifies as the capital project historically that has not been there, so $5,000 minimum price in a five-year lifespan.

1000
01:19:20,780 --> 01:19:22,280
if it doesn't meet that criteria,

1001
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:23,900
it's maintenance that comes out of the drive-off line.

1002
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,020
So Greg, yeah, I didn't do good summary

1003
01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:29,040
because some of what that homework was,

1004
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:30,040
like we talked about,

1005
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,940
are we gonna move the dock down at Beach Park?

1006
01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:37,740
That's not a capital discussion, but, yeah.

1007
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:40,400
So this is a capital discussion.

1008
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,300
Yeah, and I do recall the conversation,

1009
01:19:44,620 --> 01:19:48,160
and I know Brian, you had asked some very good questions

1010
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,620
about okay, what happened downtown?

1011
01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:55,540
Judy, I think you have made some comments about, you know, the fencing and then the chairs

1012
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:59,700
that may or may not have been ordered that we're supposed to be in that.

1013
01:20:00,020 --> 01:20:06,260
Court heard by the bakery, that kind of stuff. That's not cap relieving, right? No, two different

1014
01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:11,660
really, you, you kind of directed two different homework, really? Okay.

1015
01:20:12,780 --> 01:20:17,280
Yeah, Dan could just email out what you've got, maybe on the list, and then just your

1016
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:23,180
couple questions will respond with what I didn't send anything over to you, Dan. So yeah,

1017
01:20:23,220 --> 01:20:28,320
if you could just send us what you got, the master list, and then we'll add to it. And

1018
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,680
And my master list right now is being

1019
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,740
furiously worked on by myself and staff.

1020
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,400
So I'll get it out before the work session.

1021
01:20:35,860 --> 01:20:36,960
So you have time with it.

1022
01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:38,680
You probably will get it out.

1023
01:20:39,460 --> 01:20:41,700
I'll give you as much runway time as possible,

1024
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:43,180
but you probably get the weekend,

1025
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:45,640
and maybe a week to take a look at it.

1026
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:47,260
Because it'll show at least a starting point

1027
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:48,160
from a project standpoint.

1028
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:49,940
But you've gotten assistant damage.

1029
01:20:50,060 --> 01:20:51,700
You can just tell them to do that too.

1030
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,880
Oh, I told everybody we're sitting down

1031
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,740
for about four hours and hashing this out.

1032
01:20:56,740 --> 01:21:00,980
So it's not, I'm built in the back end to make sure the other end process for it.

1033
01:21:01,860 --> 01:21:02,700
Thanks, he's here.

1034
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:03,640
So thank you.

1035
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:06,100
Any other staff updates?

1036
01:21:07,420 --> 01:21:08,700
That's what I have done for me today.

1037
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:14,220
Anything for any of the commissions, any major?

1038
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,760
I don't know if you've heard, but Nancy Hoffman is retiring.

1039
01:21:21,140 --> 01:21:24,980
She's been the county's head of HRA EDA.

1040
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:31,160
And she has announced a retirement, it's effective November and I do think she has some vacation

1041
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:36,760
timed lined up, so if you do want to make sure you say goodbye, do that.

1042
01:21:38,580 --> 01:21:41,780
Anything else from anybody, if not?

1043
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:46,200
I could, I mean, I could just give a quick update, I mean, planning, we had some discussions

1044
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:54,920
about water runoff, papers, things like that, so a pretty robust conversation about, you

1045
01:21:54,920 --> 01:22:01,340
what the future of our building looks like around the lakes in the future and

1046
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:07,840
discussions about Minnetonco where you maximize all the space on the land as

1047
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:13,500
possible as long as you've got water runoff taking care of is that okay. We're going to run

1048
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:18,800
into more of these cabins being torn down and new houses put on and what are the limitations limits

1049
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:24,080
that we want to put on? What do we want our community to look like? So it's part of the landscaping

1050
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:32,840
project that's going on over it, probably in my two neighbors, I talked to the DNR representative

1051
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:39,040
and he is willing to, I asked him if he would come in and present to the council and planning

1052
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:45,860
and talk about what they see around these lakes and stuff and what they record their recommendations

1053
01:22:45,860 --> 01:22:53,640
and kind of, you know, what do we want, we can kind of control a little bit of how we want our

1054
01:22:53,640 --> 01:23:00,560
of lakes then property to look around the community and it is an interesting conversation.

1055
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,700
So we may want to invite him in some time to talk about that.

1056
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,880
Thank you.

1057
01:23:08,620 --> 01:23:09,180
Okay.

1058
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,000
Otherwise, can we entertain a motion to adjourn?

1059
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,120
So moved.

1060
01:23:15,970 --> 01:23:16,530
Second.

1061
01:23:17,150 --> 01:23:18,050
All in favor?

1062
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:19,190
All right.

1063
01:23:19,190 --> 01:23:19,550
All right.

1064
01:23:19,670 --> 01:23:20,310
So moved.

1065
01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:21,670
We are adjourned.

1066
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:22,850
Brian, I have a question for you.

1067
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:23,970
Yes, sir.

1068
01:23:23,970 --> 01:23:25,290
how much