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» Got it.
>> Is Mike showing up?

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» No.
>> Uh no.

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» Make a motion for Jonathan to sit in.
>> Yep.

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» I'll second.
>> Second. Those in favor sign by saying I.

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» I.
>> Opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries

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unanimously.
>> Okay. Um, we're here tonight to discuss

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the general government budget, the board
of education budget.

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» I don't have it.
>> Um, and the capital requests for the

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board of education.
Um, we don't need to make a decision

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tonight, but I'd like to have some kind
of general idea at least on um where

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we're heading so that um I can give as
much information to the public uh next

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week as possible.
for the public hearing.

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» Has anything changed on the capital gain
uh capital improvements? Is that list of

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things?
>> No, we have to decide what we're going

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to do on that. And also
>> I just want to get some

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» we I know the last two meetings we
weren't able to ask just things got

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crazy. Uh questions on either the
selectman's budget or the

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» Absolutely.
>> Is tonight a good night to do that?

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» Absolutely.
>> Do you want to make a motion to do that

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first?
>> We want a motion to do that. You don't

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need a motion. You can just ask
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» Okay.
>> Go ahead.

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» Oh, me first. Okay.
>> Hey, for the school board, I got a

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couple of questions as far as your
budget goes. Uh there's a couple

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different figures in there. Uh the first
one's under capital improvement

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you have. How many black popping
projects do you have going on? One or

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two? One.
>> One. All right. We got a Connecticut

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steel pulling was one of them. And that
came in at 165. Okay. And

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you're budgeted under capital
improvements for 135 for the price of

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another SIL coding on this chart you
gave us here for Lisbon Board of

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Education budget drivers.
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there's one in here that says capital
improvements up to 450%

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due mainly to extensible repair of HVAC
yada yada yada and also seal coating the

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parking lot for 135.
Is that right?

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quot but also if I if I can speak um I
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thought but the seal co project in our
budget is only $10,000 because um what

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we're thinking is if the town can't fund
the full project that we put in the

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capital in the capital uh improvement
request we would do the best we

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absolutely could with $10,000 to at
least get the parking lot line um you

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can't see the parking lot spaces up at
the school so um we reduced in our

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budget in the event that it doesn't go
through this budget because something

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has to just happen for next year,
>> right? But you have for capital

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improvements, you you went from 3,000 up
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driveway we're talking about plus
whatever

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» that might be the variance in
yearoveryear? I don't have it in front

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of me, but if they if they budgeted you
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» right now,
why? Well, that would be the variance,

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right? Yeah. Why?
>> Yeah. So, so last year we only had

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$3,000 to paint one classroom. This year
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with 16,500.
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3500 was to flash the roof and 10,000
for the parking lot. That's the 16,500.

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So, you're telling me that
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if we funded the parking lot under the
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then you have an additional $10,000 that
you don't need in your budget.

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» Correct.
>> That's correct. You said that.

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» Okay. Okay. Uh the other question I had
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uh a replacement of a hot water heater
that requires replacement and for that

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and the fans and some other things that
came up to 187 that I think we got a

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quote of just under 10 grand for the hot
water heater.

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» Yes.
>> Right. That's a onetime deal, right?

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» Yes. Correct.
>> Why can't we move that to capital

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improvements?
>> Otherwise, you guys keep it. You're just

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going to use it over and over and over
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So it isn't it's not in our board of
education budget. It's only

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» this is on the capital gain
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that question is not
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» What's the reason for the business
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» So I'll explain. So we hired uh
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third business manager we've had in the
last three years. He came in with little

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experience uh as a business manager in a
public school. We evaluated him for a

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year. Uh it's a shortage area in the
state. The board voted uh to

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keep him. He agreed for a three-year
contract and we would give him a $10,000

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raise.
>> $10,000 raise, but he's got 15 1485.

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That's what I'm asking. He got the
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$10,000
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raise brought it up $1,800.
>> He brought it up Well, he So,

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» the deal was he was supposed to sign a
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» That's what I brought to the board. The
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it $12,500.
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» The board the majority of the people on
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» okay,
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» Okay.
>> And then you got the 3.25 administrative

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raise. Everybody everybody else got
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» on top of that.
>> Okay.

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» So on top
>> so he's still getting paid less than

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most business managers and he does a
phenomenal job.

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» And how many people do you have in the
business department now?

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» Uh three total people but with an FTE of
1.5. We have a 02 payroll person a.3

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AP person and then I'm a 1.0.
>> And how do you do you have pay a person

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that comes in and does the audit?
>> No.

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» No.
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» Well, not sure. Well, we pay for the
audit.

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» Oh, we we pay the audit, but we don't
That's what I'm asking. That's his

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question.
>> You don't have pay for the audit just

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like the town pays for the audit.
>> Yeah. But you don't have an internal

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auditor, but they still pay out.
>> We we Yeah. On the King and King audit.

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» Yeah. They have to pay their percentage.
>> Yeah, we pay. So, that's the reason why

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the business manager operations staff
got a 16 12% bump, too.

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» What's the reason? Right
here it says business manager operations

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staff. You're telling me it's only two
people. They got a 16.45

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bump and increase of $4,100.
>> Yeah, I have it right here.

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» Yeah,
>> I'm talking about whoever. I I

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so our our eight So Kathy Evans who's
one of our employees, she is a business

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a she does AP for the business office.
She's also uh the superintendent's

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administrative assistant. Um this year
while the board of ed was reviewing

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contracts and while they looked at her
contract, she uh her salary wasn't sort

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of commensurate with her job duties and
the meui um secretaries, other

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administrative secretaries that live
within that union. So the board had also

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voted to uh bring her salary up.
>> So that's that's what accounted for um

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that that increase.
>> Okay. That's just for one person. Yes,

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there are well there in that line in
that one account code the total account

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code that's $29,126
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just.5
um there's two people in there that one

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of the other people there received the
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» but just I just want to make sure you
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figure out that's split between two
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» Yeah. So, yeah. So, Katherine received
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» Yeah.
>> Agreed upon raise and then the other

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individual received the standard raise.
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And the other thing I have a question
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program you guys got in place for
55,000. From what I understand up in

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Harford now, there's a bill on the table
for 12.5 million.

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» Correct.
>> And I asked a question last week, was it

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last week or two weeks ago? I don't
remember anymore about if we do get

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reimbured some because we do have a
program in place now. Correct.

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» You was free and reduced. Yes.
>> That's great. Great program. I'm all for

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it. But my thing is you guys are asking
for 89 I don't know $850,000 increase

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and you're throwing in another $55,000.
that could be funded by the state at

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some time.
>> Correct.

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» And we give you that money for that
program. Now, there's no reason why you

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give it back to us. You're going to
spend it somewhere else.

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» Well, yeah.
>> Not you.

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» It becomes part of
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» Well, it will be part if you voted in.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Part part of forever,

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» right?
>> Correct.

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» Yeah.
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I just um you did ask about the
reimbursement rate. Uh I did provide it

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two weeks ago, but um we do get a re
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expenses that are in the program now.
>> Well, I mean for that free breakfast

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like the expenses are closer to
$100,000. So we took the reimbursement

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rate
>> just to lower I just want to explain

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because I think Wayne had asked about
>> right and I I have no problem. My

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question is another $55,000 fee.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> That's all I have for the board right

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now.
question just so I'm clear. So when you

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gave the finance manager the raise, you
gave him a market adjustment.

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» Yes.
>> And then three and a half on top of

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that.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. On top of the market adjustment.
>> Yes.

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» Do you know how hard it is to find a
business manager in the state of

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Connecticut?
>> Yeah, I do.

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» Very very hard.
>> I I I was going to ask what is market

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like in your market analysis that you
came up with?

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» Almost impossible.
>> Yeah. What? What? Like compar one before

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him was so tough.
>> She didn't even have her shirt yet.

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Okay.
>> When we hired her, we hired her and and

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uh she had to get her ser while she was
working. They gave us a waiver, right?

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» Mhm.
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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» Uh quick question. The Lyman Boak High
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going to that school?
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» Six. All right. So, I just want to make
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» one more question. Okay. I got notes all
over the place. You have to excuse me.

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» The uh Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield
um the town came back has nine employees

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in the program. Now, okay. They were
able to come back with a 30 I think it

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was a $38,000 savings.
My question I have is the school only

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came back with a $34,000 savings. And I
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the insurance plan.
>> We we do. Uh

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» has there ever been an audit done? I I
know you gave us a spreadsheet here,

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» but it doesn't say how many people you
have in which column, whether it's

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single, married, spouse, married. It's
it's just hard to read.

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» Yeah. So my question is did you do an
audit and see was an audit done or needs

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to be done to see how many people you
have in each particular plan so we know

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where the savings was. Where'd you come
up with only $34,000? So so we did and

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in fact we had a um they had given us an
updated quote I believe it was January

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and in that time I spoke to a broker and
he said please rerun your numbers in and

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out it because we had changes within our
plans. people went from families down to

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single etc.
>> And that led to the the the next large

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reduction that was in our original
proposal that was came in at 7.3.

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» Yeah.
>> And and then we got the final

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adjustment. So an audit has been done.
It was done in the in around the month

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of January, February. And then
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guys made, right?
>> No, no, that happened the audit happened

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actually before the audit was included
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» Right. Then after we submitted our
budget, they locked in our figure for

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the next year,
>> right?

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» And in here it's um it's all so for
instance

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you can see that there's four in the
individual, three in the two person.

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» Yeah. Give me a second.
>> Yeah, it's there's no total number, but

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those are the makeup.
>> Okay.

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» Of each of
>> So you're saying you had a numbers to

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work with here?
>> Numbers.

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» Those are the numbers for each plane.
>> Where are they here?

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» That's different. That's a different
sheet. Where's the sheet?

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» I guess this one
is that one looks like this.

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» That's
hard to follow.

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» You want my glasses?
>> I got your glasses.

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» So those small numbers are how many
people you have in that current plan.

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» Correct. Yep. And the left hand side is
the current year and then the right hand

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side is the proposed cost per year.
>> Okay. That's where you came up with the

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total of what?
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if you will,
>> right?

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» And then as it goes down to the right
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Yes.
>> You can see that our medical dental

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minus outlet our employees will pay is
1.15 million.

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» And then uh that's the change over the
current year. And then the percentage

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that we landed on 8.0%.
So this figure uh this figure that we

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presented to you the first time around
again of the March 6 submission for our

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budget instead of 1.5 was 1.19. So it
went down.

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» Yeah. The increase that we showed. Okay.

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» Oh yeah. Yeah. And and again in in that
audit, our broker went back and went

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through all went through Anthem,
confirmed every employee that's in our

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policies, confirmed all their premiums,
you know, whether it's a single uh two

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person, right? You did a very good job.
>> Do they pay a part of that?

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» Our employees.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We have um we have two

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different plans, if you will. Um MUI
members pay a 50% premium share across

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all platforms. LEA and certain
administrators pay um two percentage

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points uh 18 or 19 depending upon
whether it's a medical admission or

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the $10,000 you guys had in last year's
budget for superintendent search is it

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there this year you guys use it
somewhere else I was told right is that

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where you put it you use it is that
where it's going to stay

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» no it was Oh sorry
>> no no

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» I better not do it So 10,000 the $10,000
was in the super

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right where superendants were correct.
>> We don't have it now.

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» No, you don't have No, but where did you
spend the 10 grand is what I'm asking?

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» Oh, probably on the special ed.
>> Probably on special ed. And that's where

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it's going to stay for this year.
>> It's not.

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» No, but it's built in the budget from
last year.

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» You go any
>> It's out It's out of this year's budget.

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» No, I know it's not in this year's
minimum amount that it went up last

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year. It's in the total role for you.
>> Yeah, I know what you're saying.

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Can I respond? No, I know what you're
saying. And actually, you're right. Um,

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anything right now, let me check on
here. Special ed is already an issue.

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So, everything is going to go towards
special ed. Okay.

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» Transfers.
We're already behind.

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Okay. Done.

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» That's all I got this time.
>> Okay. Anybody else have questions?

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» Yeah. Uh let me find them. Hold on.
>> Okay.

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» In the mountains of
>> while you're here.

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» Go ahead. You got them.
>> Um

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» yeah, just just uh for the for the
record um how is the education cost

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sharing revenue um calculated. So like
in the uh in the proposed budget figure

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here. So you have the uh for fiscal year
2627 we have the 2.9 million previously

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2 uh 82 million. Uh how is how is that
calculated? I'm just curious.

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» The state
>> that's just the state. Okay. Um

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» that's there is a formula but they don't
pay any attention to it.

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» And they've held this amount for 5 years
now

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» since 2021.
>> 2021.

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» And that's the concern that might be
going away.

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» Exactly.
>> It's not going away. It's going down.

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going down every year.
>> Yeah, exactly. They've been trying to

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» kill it and bring it down every year.
>> Okay.

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» And transfer more of that load to the to
the cities and increase theirs.

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» Um and fortunately, our legislators have
been able to fight that.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» So, what happens? I mean like if we
figured in this year for them for our

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budget that amount they don't we're not
promised that amount for this year this

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budget year. Is that correct?
>> That is what they're projecting. But

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» other words in other words just because
you're budgeting for it and we're

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budgeting for it
in the governor's

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» that's what is in the bud governor's
budget but it is not final until they

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pass that budget. Okay.
>> So, they could still make changes in it

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up until they pass that final budget.
Okay.

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» Um, another question, and maybe this is
more for the board than the board of

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education. Um in looking at the proposed
budget here, um it seems that the um all

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of the revenues incurred, so like the
education cost sharing revenues and the

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excess special education cost revenues
um come in on the town side but don't

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come in on the board of ed side.
Correct. And my question is why exactly?

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Because the board of ed is incurring all
of these expenses to earn that revenue.

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Yet when it comes budget time, it
doesn't seem like they get any credit

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for earning that revenue
>> because we fund the entire education

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budget.
>> Mhm.

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» Okay. And that comes in back to the town
from the state.

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» Okay.
>> As replacement for some of the funds

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that we're expending.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. Okay. Would it make sense when
we're talking, you know, if we're going

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to propose cuts or tell the board have
had to make cuts that we add in the net

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economic impact of those revenues since
it came from the school without the

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school expenditure. We wouldn't have
that revenue at all.

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» But the only reason we're have the
revenue is because we're spending it.

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» Right. Right. Right. No, I I I
understand that.

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» Yeah. It nets out in the end. So it's as
long as we maintain the same focus and

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the same accounting measures,
it's not going to have an impact.

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» Okay. I mean the ultimate end is going
to be the same.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The total the total uh
yeah surplus or or deficit. I understand

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that. But if we're making uniform cuts
on a percentage of the budget and the

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town is getting the revenue, but the
board of ed is basically has no revenue.

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We've stripped that and put it in the
town budget. Mr. Chairman, can I

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» Yes.
>> John, just to be clear,

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» everything goes into the into the
general fund,

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» right?
>> Both budgets are f are funded by the

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general fund.
>> Yeah.

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» So all monies go into one big pot.
>> Yeah.

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» And then
>> we submit our budgets. Yeah. And then

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the general fund and which includes all
of the taxpayers taxes.

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» Y
>> that's what we used to. It would make no

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sense to say, "Okay, well, here, why
don't we just give why don't we just put

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this much money that the board of
education earned for them and then this

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much money that the um board of general
government earned, put it for them? That

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that would make no sense at all. And
then where would you do? Put the

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taxpayers money someplace else and then
grant money someplace else. It all goes

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into the general fund."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I I

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understand that. Um, I'm more so
thinking from like a net economic

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impact. You know, if we're if we're
proposing cuts, if we kick back and we

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say we have to make cuts, you know, I I
don't know. I think I think my questions

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answered. I just wanted to bring that
up.

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» Okay.
Any other questions on the education

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board?
I had requested a list of employees by

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title. Did we get that?
>> Yeah, you did.

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» You got it already. You got it a week
ago. You need it again.

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» But we can do it again.
>> Yeah. I didn't see it. So

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» Oh, yeah. We said it over a week ago. We
got right on it.

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» I know. My dash for it three weeks ago.
>> Can we do what we just Do you have a

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cotton machine?
>> Yes.

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» We can give it to you right now. Okay.
>> I believe you have a new packet.

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» It was in it was in the packet that had
all the account codes. Um it's um it's

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this
and that.

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» Yep.

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Anybody

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have questions on the general government
budget?

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» No. No. Okay.
>> Okay. Get through the school building.

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» All right. Um, anybody have any thoughts
on where we should go?

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» Yeah. Wayne.
>> Yep.

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» Question I got for you.
>> Yep.

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» Was brought to my attention. It's a good
point.

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Instead of taking out $400,000
>> out of the surplus to help offset the

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cost.
>> Okay.

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» How about if we only did 300?
>> The reason why I'm asking that is for a

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simple reason is in another month or so
when we have a town meeting on the

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capital improvement plan for 27.
>> Mhm.

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» All the items that are on the capital
improvement plans, I think there's I

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don't know 10 11 of them.
>> Mhm.

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» That total $160,000.
Mhm.

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» Mhm.
>> If if we were to

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go with the one mil, ask for the instead
of 400, take out the 300 and then take

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the $118,000 in cuts.
>> Mhm.

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» And then the $100,000 that we would have
saved by not going to 400.

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» Mhm.
>> We can use that toward this number of

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160, which is all school
>> repairs.

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» Mhm. Otherwise, we take out the 400 then
like we did last year

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» and then we still went I don't remember
what we took out last year for how much?

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» 600
>> 600 what?

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» 600,000.
>> That's right. 600,000 last year because

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of the science lab. You're right. I
forgot. Thank you, sir.

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» No, science lab was on top of that.
>> Oh, science lab was on top of that.

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» There was a lot last year.
>> We 6 622,48.

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» Yeah. I'd just like to try saving
something for the uh um

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» capital improvements
>> for capital improvements.

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» Instead of
going to 400, do 300 or do the 400 and

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drop it down to 75 mil, but still ask
for like $118,000 cut to make because a

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mill is 135,000, right?
>> Mhm. So a quarter of a mill would be 108

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roughly 108,000 savings if we dropped it
down a mill. But then you're talking a

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bigger cut. So we left it at a mill,
took 300 out instead of the four, we'd

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still be looking at about $100,000 in
cuts. And I come up with about $75,000

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in the board of eds just on simple
things.

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» Well,
that's an option absolutely that we

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have. Okay.
>> Okay. Um, late this afternoon, I did run

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a couple of more numbers.
>> Okay.

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» All right. Um,
>> that aren't in the packet that was

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» that. Right. Correct.
>> Um,

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one I looked at was um bringing up the
reserve to 500,000 that we're going to

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take out of the surplus. Okay.
Um,

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and lowering the tax
rate to 27.2, which is going to be only

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a half a mill increase.
>> 27.2.

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» 27.2.

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Okay.
>> All right. So, if you did that, you took

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out five instead of four,
>> right? That would leave a deficit of

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155,000.
Okay.

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» Okay. which would result in 111,000 cut
to the board of ed

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um of which
um I think the general consensus on the

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board is that the breakfast shouldn't be
funded.

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» Correct.
>> And parking lot at 10 is 65.

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» Mhm.
>> Uh if we're going to do the capital

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items, they also have 5,000 in the
repair account. So that's uh that's

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70,000. Mhm.
>> So would amount to a $41,000 cut

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» right
>> to the board.

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» And how much to that would still be to
the

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» town I'm sorry board of uh
>> the general town budget would be 43,000.

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» 43.
>> Correct.

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» Could you repeat that?
>> Just your last statement, not the whole

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thing. that the coming from the board of
ed would be 43,000

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» not the board of ed town
>> the town would be

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» yes
>> okay

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» I'm back
I

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» I do have a question by taking
additional money out of the general fund

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» um my mind goes to a couple different
places one by taking money out of the

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general fund we're leaving interest
income on the table yep

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» which is quite substantial with interest
rates being elevated compared to the

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last 20 years.
>> So, there's that piece.

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» The other piece to it is, and maybe this
is something you can answer, uh, how

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does that impact our credit rating as
far as pulling money out of cash

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reserves to fund deficits rather than
using the tax?

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» We have,
as long as we're primarily using that

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for one-time expenses,
>> Mhm.

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» Okay. will not have any effect. um we
have more than adequate um amount in

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there.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah.
>> We're our policy says we have to

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maintain 17%.
>> Okay.

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» Of the total budget in cash.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah. In reserve.
>> Yeah.

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» Uh and we're well well over that.
>> So if we're dumping 500,000,

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» what of that other than the parking lot
and the capital improvement were taken

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out of their budget? What other
are we considering it part of that or

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are we
>> That's up to them.

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» No, no, no. But
>> well, yeah, we'd have to we we determine

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what we're going to do for the capital.
>> Okay.

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» Um
>> yeah, you still got to go back and ask

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for 160,000 out of that, right? So, if
you take off 100 out, which is a great

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idea, Wayne, don't get me wrong. I like
the idea. Lower the mill rate, the

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happier I am,
>> right? But if you're going to if you're

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going to do that and you're going to
take out 500 instead of the four, then

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you're still looking at another 159 on
top of that. Correct.

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» You're you're looking at a if you lower
tax rate by half a mill.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. And add another 100,000.

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» No, we're raising it half a mill.
>> No. Yeah, you're raising a half a mill,

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but a half a mill less than 1 mill.
>> Right. Um we would have a deficit of

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155,000.
Okay. We would that would be split

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111,000 to the board of ed. Correct.
43,000 to the board.

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» Correct. Okay.
>> Okay.

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» Okay.
>> Out of the 111.

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00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,679
» The breakfast is 55.
>> Yep.

423
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,120
» The parking lot is 10.
>> Yep.

424
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:38,320
» Uh the repairs to the kitchen equipment
y

425
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,399
» is another five.
>> Yep.

426
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,520
» So that's 70.
>> Yep.

427
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,360
» Okay. So that leaves a difference of
41,000

428
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,440
» that they got to figure out.
>> Yes. which on a $13 million BZ budget,

429
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,240
they shouldn't have a problem. Problem I
got is Tommy's budget. You're talking

430
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:58,880
almost cutting it by 25%.
>> Because he's only asking for what? Two

431
00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:02,000
211,
>> right?

432
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:07,080
» And you're you're asking to cut 43,000
out of that. That's about 25% of the

433
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:07,080
budget you're asking.

434
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:16,720
Does it have to be 500? Could it be like
450?

435
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,880
» Could be anything we want.
>> Oh, yeah. I know. I'm just asking. I You

436
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:23,320
know.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

437
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:30,240
» Yeah. I mean, that's And again, we do
not have to make a decision tonight.

438
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,799
» No, but still cut 25% out of somebody's
budget. Quite a bit of chunk. I mean, if

439
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,440
you look at asking the board ahead to
cut 111,000 out of a $13 million budget,

440
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:46,320
what's that percentage of that budget
being? Didn't that come out to like um

441
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:52,000
» the the an equivalent of the board of ed
paying 71.7%

442
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:56,799
and this budget town only paying 28.
>> Yeah, that's what he's figured. Yeah.

443
00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:01,039
» But it's not 28% of the bud of their
budget. It's 28% of their of the cut.

444
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,799
» Correct.
>> Right.

445
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,600
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Yes. Okay.

446
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,480
» And that's what those numbers reflect
the 40.

447
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:14,000
» It it reflects
>> it reflects that percentage of the

448
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120
deficit.
>> Okay.

449
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:24,520
» Okay.
>> What is the thing we had last week about

450
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,520
how much it affects the property tax

451
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:37,039
looking for it or add it?
that it had it had based on this

452
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:40,720
some courthouse or something.
>> Well,

453
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,600
I'm not concerned with Mr.
>> Chairman. I can help you here. So,

454
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480
» we have the spreadsheet, your
spreadsheet.

455
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,039
» Yep.
>> And we changed the numbers here. So, if

456
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:55,919
we went with 27.22, 22, right? Which
would be a half a mill increase and a

457
00:30:53,360 --> 00:31:02,720
$450,000
uh reduction in the CNR. You there would

458
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:10,039
be a cut of 140 235 for the board of ed
and 57307 for the town.

459
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,039
» Mhm.

460
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:19,399
» Another piece of information.

461
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:27,760
So, what we need to accomplish tonight
in preparation for the public

462
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,039
um meeting
>> Mhm.

463
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,559
» is to decide if we're going to present
the budgets as they've been presented to

464
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:38,640
us.
>> Mhm.

465
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:43,919
» Or if we think we're going to recommend
a change.

466
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,120
» Okay. But we don't have to leave.
>> Well, you should have an idea what the

467
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:51,120
change is going to be. You ask that
Monday night. really want to you really

468
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:54,799
want to take Monday night to give the
people this is this is what we're

469
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,559
thinking. This is where we want to go.
>> We still have the option to change it.

470
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,440
» I mean the whole point of the public
hearing is the people can come out and

471
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:06,399
speak
>> uh and you know they make their case

472
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,919
» then we come back at the next meeting
and decide what the final outcome is

473
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,000
going to be.
>> Last year we had a mill increase. The

474
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:18,880
year before we had a mill increase and
if we're Wayne's idea of a half a mill

475
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,799
is a good idea, you're you're looking at
with the economy the way it is today,

476
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,880
that's still going to be a good hit on
some people, especially in the economy

477
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,799
now. I was I've been telling people when
my kids were in school here years ago,

478
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:35,760
there was 600 kids in the school. We're
down to 400 now. That's telling me we

479
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:40,960
still got more houses but less kids
which means you have a lot more

480
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:45,919
households now with fixed incomes
and last thing I want to do is the cost

481
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:51,039
of everything today market didn't burden
them with a big tax increase

482
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:55,279
» where it can be taken care of how much
>> per household did you find it

483
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:59,360
» um that
>> I looked up the median income and it's

484
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,399
well below the average to live
comfortably in the state

485
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:05,840
» in the state. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that's and that's offset.

486
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:10,159
That's it's like 90 something.
>> Do we know uh compared to the median for

487
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,880
the county? Because I mean the median
for the state's also going to include

488
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Fairfield County.
>> That is a very different.

489
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,679
» But when you look at incomes in
Fairfield County,

490
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,000
» yeah,
>> they're relatively low because those

491
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:26,080
people aren't reporting incomes.
>> They're reporting their W2 income just

492
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,240
because they pay a lower income tax on
that portion. Then they pay the 30% on

493
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:34,960
whatever is left of their business. So
that we can ignore it. People here, if

494
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,799
you have someone that has a high salary
position and they're making 300,000,

495
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,919
that's offsetting the people making
30,000.

496
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,760
» Y
>> and we will have people here making

497
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,600
30,000 working in the warehouse.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

498
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,519
» And their kids are here, right?
>> And they're going to struggle.

499
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,200
» Understood.
>> That number is getting offset by the

500
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,240
high income if we have a doctor in the
town.

501
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,919
» Yeah.
>> We don't have too many

502
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,320
» I'm sure we do have some, but we don't
have any crazy business owners here that

503
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:04,000
are making 10 million a year. Yeah.
>> 150,000 income just to say they are.

504
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,240
» Um,
>> do we know what the average

505
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,679
» Well, that that's the nice thing with
the median is it reduces both ends of

506
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:15,839
the spectrum.
>> We're looking at something. So, I'm

507
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:19,919
worried that we have we could have 10
homes in this town that are making a

508
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,599
huge amount
>> and it's hiding the fact that we could

509
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:27,919
have, you know, a third of the
population get broken if we increase the

510
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:31,760
mill rate by too much. and we don't know
cuz I just know the middle the average.

511
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:36,720
» So that's what I'm worried about cuz the
home values are increased right now.

512
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:41,760
» Uh so I'm kind of concerned and it's not
so much the reality is we're blindsiding

513
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:48,399
people because state laws are being
passed forcing you guys to increase your

514
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:51,280
costs and no one's telling anyone.
>> The problem's at the state level and now

515
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,879
we have to clean it up and people are
going to be hurting. some work. It's

516
00:34:53,119 --> 00:35:00,000
either be you guys
>> not having enough money to do what

517
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:04,480
you're legally required to do, the town
losing 25% of their budget and not be

518
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,640
able to clean up the town.
>> It's not 25. It's

519
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:12,240
» well, whatever close to 15 or 16%.
>> 15 or 16 still 15 or 16. It's still

520
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,440
going to hurt everyone, but
>> but that's only of the increase.

521
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,599
» My my my question would be how are we
going to fund that? We know what's going

522
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,440
to happen. How are we going to fund
that? And in my opinion, I'm not a huge

523
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:29,040
fan of taking it out of the general fund
to do that. I would rather see some mill

524
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:32,320
rate increase and get ahead of it than
not. That's just

525
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,040
» Well, how much of a mill increase would
you consider? A half, a one, a two, a

526
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,440
three? I mean,
>> I found the list.

527
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,640
» A half a mill. I don't think it's going
to get

528
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:46,079
» This is This is what um Wayne gave us
last week that has

529
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,119
» We got an updated one
>> with the with the home cost.

530
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:54,800
» Oh, not with the home cost.
>> Okay. So, this has if your assessed

531
00:35:51,200 --> 00:36:01,680
value of your home is we'll say 300,000
what the tax currently is. And if the if

532
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:06,480
it goes up if it goes up one mil is what
we're talking about, right?

533
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:09,920
» You can look there. It' be 27.2
>> 27.7

534
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:15,200
» 20 Yeah. 27.5
>> for a $300,000 house, it's going to go

535
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,560
$25 tax assessment on the house. So if
you got a $300,000,

536
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:21,920
» if we go a half a mill
different mills

537
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,880
and what your new bill would be
>> well increase, not what Yeah, you're

538
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,400
right.
>> I mean, I know it's still $25 a month,

539
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:31,040
but it's not
>> No, it's not

540
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:33,920
» $200, right?
>> Exactly.

541
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,280
» As soon as you just repeat that again
because a lot of people were talking.

542
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:42,320
» So what did you say again? What would it
go up from?

543
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:47,760
» So, if we went up one mil point,
>> uh, from from what it is currently, a

544
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:53,200
person who has a $300,000 assessed value
of their house,

545
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:58,240
» it their tax would go up $25 a month.
>> Oh. Mhm.

546
00:36:55,359 --> 00:37:01,400
» Yeah. Okay.
That's all.

547
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:19,440
I mean, I I personally like the the
proposal of 28 and a half. I know that's

548
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,880
a jump in the mill rate, but we're not
touching the general fund. And then we

549
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:29,079
can go back with cuts and it's only
40,000 in cuts.

550
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,079
that we have to go back with

551
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:37,680
because I know I I know this town we
historically have been on the cheaper

552
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:41,200
side of property taxes. You know, if you
look at our neighbor Norwich,

553
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,720
» they're
cheap.

554
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:47,520
» Yeah. Yeah. No, of course not. But
that's my point. We're still relatively

555
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:51,119
significantly cheaper. And it's like,
you know, Norwich is sitting here having

556
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,680
the same conversation we're having.
Grizzled's having the same conversation

557
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,160
we're having. They're all having the
same conversation. And it's who's going

558
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:03,119
to who's going to bear the cost and is
it going to be now or later? And I think

559
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:06,720
if we bleed our general fund and keep
doing that, I don't see the cost of

560
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,880
living getting any better anytime soon.
And that's expert forecasts. Those

561
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,040
aren't those aren't my madeup numbers,
you know. I I read this stuff all all

562
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,960
day for a living, you know, and and the
experts don't see an end in sight for

563
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:23,520
the inflation picture, at least for the
next year, you know. So building in some

564
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,960
sort of buffer in case stuff does get
crazy.

565
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:31,839
» No, we're reselling this year.
>> Yeah.

566
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:37,200
» So now next year we'll have taxes not
>> we'll be basalation.

567
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:41,520
» Wayne either way you look at it whether
it's 27.2 a half a mill like you're

568
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:45,760
talking about which is a good idea
>> or we're looking at a 1 mil.

569
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,760
» Yep. But if we did the one mill, if we
only took out 300 and we did the half

570
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,839
the mill and we took out 500, that's
$200,000 in the out of the surplus

571
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,800
between the difference. Bottom line is
still the cuts made by the board of ed

572
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,520
and the board of selectmen are going to
be roughly the same give or take a few

573
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:08,640
$2,000.
>> Correct. So I think what we really got

574
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:13,359
to look at, do we want to take out
take out only 300 or take out 500 and

575
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:21,240
have a half a mill especially after
raises we've had

576
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:21,240
» in increases I mean for the mill rate

577
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,119
» I mean I think one mill either way
they're going to work either way there's

578
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:30,240
going to be there's going to be some
form of cuts made.

579
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:35,040
» Mhm.
But I mean, if we do if we do the lower

580
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:40,320
amount of capital gains, like you said,
it gives us the money to do the capital

581
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:45,560
gains the school needs out of, you know,
additionally to that. And, you know,

582
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:52,960
I mean, maybe $25 a month will hurt some
people, but do they have a $300,000

583
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:56,320
house? I don't know. You know,
>> could tell you.

584
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,760
» I could tell you. Do we do we know what
the median not the average because the

585
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:05,040
average is skewed by you know the new
that is the median is 300,000.

586
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:08,160
» No no no median income is around 90
something thousand.

587
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,560
» Okay. So that that slices the outliers
on the low end and on the high end. It's

588
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,280
not
>> and the real estate market if it

589
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,520
crashes.
>> I know my house with zero improvements

590
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,520
has gone up in value by over $100,000 in
three years. So we'll see

591
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,960
» comes out. That's why I don't think
you're not really looking at $300,000

592
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:31,440
houses that you think of. They're really
around 1,000 square ft just you have a

593
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:34,960
couple bedrooms. Um,
but the values are high because the

594
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:42,640
» And the other thing you have to think
about is with a 28 if you went to 28 and

595
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,960
went up uh what 2 mills
>> is whether you can get it through a

596
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,560
town,
>> which I don't.

597
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,560
» Yeah.

598
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:54,640
» We've lived this stream before.
>> Oh yeah.

599
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,720
I don't want to pay more taxes. I'm just
saying.

600
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:02,160
» No, I'm just saying, you know, can't get
if you go to 28 and bring it through

601
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,440
town. We could be doing multiple
referendums.

602
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,440
» Well,

603
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:14,240
we can always ask for the cuts, present
it that way, and then we can decide if

604
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,599
what we want to do with the $200,000.
We either

605
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,440
» take an extra 100 out or leave a 100.
>> Mhm.

606
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:27,520
» And that'll make the difference between
a half a mill and a whole mill. Well, if

607
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:35,440
we do what you suggest is leave the uh
proposed 1 mil increase, reduce the uh

608
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:40,160
surplus from 400 to use to 300,000.
>> Mhm.

609
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:46,480
» Would be a deficit of 118,032.
>> Correct.

610
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:52,560
» Um which would account for uh 84,000 to
the board of ed and 33,000 to the town.

611
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:54,079
Wayne, why why do we have to do it that
way?

612
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,960
» We don't.
>> Then why don't we say

613
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,680
you're talking 118? Why don't we just
tell the board to add 100,000 and

614
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,160
selectman's budget 18?
>> You can.

615
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:12,000
» Okay.
>> I mean, that's Yeah.

616
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,680
You know, because I think
if we're going to fund some of this

617
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:19,760
other stuff through the capital, um
that's 70,000 out of there. So they only

618
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:23,520
got to come up with $30,000 more out of
a $13 million budget.

619
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,480
» Correct.
>> Then Tommy's budget we got to they got

620
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,720
to figure out
>> what' you say 20

621
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,720
» 18,000 we got to figure out his budget.
>> Yep.

622
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:51,440
» Do you want to make that motion?
Oh boy. Oh boy.

623
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:54,400
» He's like, "What did I say? I didn't do
it."

624
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,440
» Well, be honest with you. I already for
the doing the 300,000.

625
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,560
» Okay.
>> One.

626
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,560
» Okay.
>> Can I ask a question?

627
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:05,599
» Yeah.
>> I I've gone through the board of

628
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:12,240
selectman's budget and I can't really
find anything where you can cut 18 where

629
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:15,440
I could cut 15,000, never mind 18. I
don't know if I'm missing something.

630
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:18,880
» No, you're It's very tight budget.
>> It's very tight. that I I I really can't

631
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:21,440
see cutting anything out of it.
Otherwise, I believe me, I'd be saying

632
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,319
it tonight.
>> Yeah. No, I I

633
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:33,440
» it seems like there's some things though
that are not totally utilized. We can't

634
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:38,240
find out. And I don't know if that
matters, but I know we move money around

635
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:43,200
if we need to, but it seemed like there
was some things that were budgeted, you

636
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:48,920
know, a lot over what they spent last
year, not just a small amount over um

637
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:03,839
we don't really have to do
the 300,000 exactly.

638
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:07,200
» No. So, how about if I make a motion?
You already got a motion on the table.

639
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:13,200
» Yeah, I put a motion on.
>> Yeah. And I I I

640
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:17,040
would prefer the motions are worded to
propose to the public hearing.

641
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,200
» Okay.
>> This Okay.

642
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:24,160
» So, that we present this option to the
>> correct. Correct.

643
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,680
» Okay.
>> You you gave it

644
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,839
» Oh, okay. Thanks. I got so many of them.
>> I know, right?

645
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,440
» Yes. We could do
>> We could do 318 and nothing,

646
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,160
» right?
>> Yes.

647
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,480
» Well, I can't make a motion because
you're you

648
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,760
» say was
>> what he's proposing is that we take

649
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,760
318,000 out of the surplus.
>> Huh.

650
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:53,280
» And then $100,000
pulling money out of

651
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,880
» Well, no.
We just still have to pull the 300.

652
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:00,800
» Yeah. But it's better than 400.
>> Yeah. It's better than 400. Yeah.

653
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,800
» Yeah. What if we did a mill and a half
>> and pulled?

654
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,920
» Yeah. But a mill, you know what that's
going to do to people?

655
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,160
» I mean, a mill is 25.
>> No, a mill is $435,000. We're going to

656
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:14,079
come up with each mill.
>> So, I know what you're saying. You're

657
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,640
breaking on a monthly payment basis,
right? A mill and a half. What does that

658
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,160
do for the for a $300,000 house?
>> Do we know what the median house

659
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,359
» household assessed value is in the in
the in the town?

660
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,599
» Do you have an assessed value?
>> The median assessed value? Do do you

661
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,760
have that?
>> I have assessed value properties like

662
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,680
like a median assessment.
>> Can you try to speak?

663
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,880
» Maybe I'll figure out
>> the green would be close.

664
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,880
» Been up since like 4 a.m. I'll do my
best.

665
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,400
» Mr. Chairman,

666
00:45:49,920 --> 00:46:00,920
a mill right now is 466,000.
>> 466. I knew it was 45. And then how much

667
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,920
is 66,000?

668
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,800
» No. Mill is
>> no it currently. Yes.

669
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:12,000
» 474.
>> But based on the new assessment it's

670
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,880
474086.
>> But right now it's 47.

671
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:21,119
» Yeah. Currently today. Yes.
>> I heard somebody say it's 43.

672
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,960
» I I I'm using last year's mill rate.
>> Well, we've had so many different

673
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:26,560
figures, Tom.
>> Yeah.

674
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:31,200
They just had income. So you see an
average on here.

675
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,119
» It just has averages.
>> It just had averages. It had the median

676
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:37,599
income, but not the household value.
>> Gotcha.

677
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,839
» Yeah. And the assessed value is more so
what what I'm after, you know, because

678
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,280
you can have a $600,000 house in a new
development, but it's only going to

679
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,640
assess at maybe 350 for
>> It's going to be it's going to be

680
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:51,640
something very different. here where
maybe

681
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,640
I mean
>> you want that one back.

682
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,119
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Just just so I get an idea.

683
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,400
» Yeah. No problem. I'm just trying to
figure out make sure you got the right

684
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,640
color.
>> Yeah. Thanks.

685
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,079
I mean, if if the median assessed value,
I'm just throwing a number out here, was

686
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:18,640
200,000 or even $250,000, we're looking
at $21 a monthish.

687
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,119
Nobody's house is 200,000
>> but assessed with the assessed value not

688
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,599
the market value the assessed value you
know because like I said you could have

689
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:29,440
a half million dollar house that
assesses at 300

690
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:34,240
» so the amount of houses that are sitting
at a half a million that are assessing

691
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,319
at 300 I don't know that there's a lot I
know there's a lot because the real

692
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,640
estate's gone
>> yeah but your assessed value should be

693
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:44,079
70% of market value at the time the
assessment was done

694
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,520
» right okay
what was the last time the assessment

695
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,720
was done
>> it happened 5 years ago. Yeah, we do it

696
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:51,839
every five. Half the town.
>> There's a current one being done now

697
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:55,200
that'll reflect in next year's budget.
Not the one not the one following the

698
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,480
budget.
>> Correct. Understood.

699
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,800
» But that's going to be an automatic
increase in people's taxes. Probably

700
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:05,680
much bigger than our one.
>> Maybe not.

701
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:09,119
» Yeah. I mean, if real estate if real
estate prices plummet, then yeah, that's

702
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,760
a different conversation. But they're
not plummeted down

703
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,640
» because if they plummet next year, it's
not going to do anybody any good cuz

704
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,200
that's going to stand for 5 years.
>> Correct. even after now.

705
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,359
» Yeah. So, if we're going
>> done,

706
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,520
» if we're going if we're going off of 5
years ago, though, right? This was this

707
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:27,440
was before, you know, the money supply
went crazy. The real estate market went

708
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,680
crazy. So, the assessed values, we're
dealing with 5 years assessed values.

709
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,240
We're not dealing with this year's
assessed values.

710
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,440
» Yeah. Cuz when I bought my house, it was
it was worth a lot less. It was probably

711
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:37,599
kind of closer to that.
>> Yeah.

712
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,480
» And that's it's gone up, you know,
100,000 in market values or probably

713
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,839
70,000
>> in a SAS value.

714
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,440
» Yeah. which this year it's still going
to be a lot higher.

715
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,280
» Yeah.
>> Than what it was when I bought the

716
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:54,079
place.
>> But let's put it this way.

717
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:59,200
» If everybody's assessed value doubles,
okay, then there should be no impact on

718
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,680
their taxes.
>> Why?

719
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:05,200
» Because everybody went up by double.
>> Uhhuh.

720
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:09,520
» Okay.
>> But

721
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:13,920
» so the mill the mill rate goes down.
>> It balances out. what controls I

722
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:18,000
understand that but if we already set
this in budget

723
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:22,800
» in motion yes with the 1 mil increase
and then

724
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:27,280
» we'll get the assessed value next year
this budget no so it'll be so next year

725
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:31,040
it'll be the following year's budget
>> correct this

726
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:34,880
» okay so that that number the uh the
grand list number would jump is what

727
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,680
you're saying correct the grand list is
the sum of all assessed property if if

728
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,520
it doubled your mill rate would drop in
half So it balances out maybe a couple

729
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:47,440
dollars.
>> What's important is

730
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:54,640
» the two budgets.
>> Yeah. Okay. All the assessment does is

731
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:58,079
if somebody all of a sudden put a double
the size of their house.

732
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,040
» Okay. Then their assessment is going to
go up.

733
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,800
» Sure.
>> Okay. It's going to go up in out of

734
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,040
proportion to the rest of the town.
Correct.

735
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,359
» Okay. They'll be paying more taxes
because of the addition they go on.

736
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:14,319
which makes
>> the biggest issue we have is 5 years ago

737
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:19,280
the commercial property went way down in
their assessment and the houses went up.

738
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:24,319
So we had an increase in the house
houses carrying more the tax load. 5

739
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:28,880
years before that
the commercial property was

740
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:33,680
significantly more than the housing. So
we were able to actually reduce a mill

741
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:38,800
or I forget exactly what it was. We did
have a mill increase decrease because of

742
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:43,119
that. Okay.
Um

743
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:46,240
you know we actually saw a net tax
decrease.

744
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,800
So it all depends on what that
assessment comes out the value of the

745
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:53,200
commercial to the residential to
individual areas of town.

746
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,200
» Mhm.
>> Okay.

747
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:03,920
» All right. So there's a motion on the
floor. Was there a second?

748
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:09,119
» What was the motion? Yeah, I'd like
>> I believe it was to go with one mil and

749
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:16,240
a 300
reduction uh use of the surplus

750
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,559
300,000 out of the surplus 1 mil
increase.

751
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,400
» I'll second it.
>> Okay. And that is to propose to the

752
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,920
public hearing.
>> Correct.

753
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:29,119
» Any discussion?
>> Yeah.

754
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:33,520
» Go ahead. Uh, what are you going to do
as far as getting to that making up that

755
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:36,559
$118,000?
>> That's the next part we have to discuss.

756
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:39,760
» Is that tonight or after the meeting
Monday?

757
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,880
» I would Why I would do it tonight so we
have something to propose?

758
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,880
» That's fine.
>> Okay.

759
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,680
» All right.
>> Yep.

760
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,000
» Good question.
>> Yes. I have two packets. How much is in

761
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,480
the surplus?
>> One

762
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,839
one and a half
>> 4.2

763
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,760
two million I believe.
>> Yeah.

764
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,200
» Of which we have to keep 17%.
>> Right. Yeah.

765
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,599
» Okay.
>> Um that acronym that I saw in one of the

766
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:11,359
financial statements for the town. What
was that? It was a large number.

767
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:13,599
» I did not look that up.
>> Um

768
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:17,359
» was in the financial statements in the
audit.

769
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:24,240
» I don't remember. It came in an email to
everyone. I was reading through it.

770
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:26,880
Switch back to the other email.
So

771
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,359
» you said there's four million on the
cash

772
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:33,839
» over four
>> over

773
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:38,720
» but 17% would be what 1.5 we figured 1.1
we got to keep we got to keep

774
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:46,119
» total budget is
>> 300,000 of the 4 million 7% of our

775
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,119
» 2.5

776
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:53,680
» we we run it we run it that we got three
years until we're right on 17% %

777
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,000
» I would
>> GF invest in Investment.

778
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:01,760
» Huh?
>> We cannot hear you.

779
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,200
» That's the general fund investment
insurance that's being generated.

780
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,880
» Oh, I was just asking what an acronym
was. It's not important.

781
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,160
» General fund investment interest.
>> Got it.

782
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:13,680
» Yeah.
>> And that's what you brought up. We keep

783
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:16,000
that in there. We get more interest
because we have it.

784
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,079
» Correct. Got it.
>> Correct. Well, my my other my other

785
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,839
thing is, you know, if uh if we go down
if we have 4 million in there and we

786
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:28,000
have 300,000 that we're pulling out,
we're reducing it by seven and a seven

787
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:33,040
and a half%.
>> So, we do that for three-ish years

788
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,000
» each year, you know, for let's say, you
know, assessed value stay the same,

789
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,119
right? Whatever. Like, cuz we're we're
hypothesizing. It's like we could only

790
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,800
do that for a couple years, a few years,
and then we're back to the drawing board

791
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,640
and we've got increased mill rates. So,
it's do we do it now? Do we do a little

792
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,960
bit now? Do we do more than a bid now?
Like more than 1 mil now.

793
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,800
» Or do we tell them to figure it out?
>> I think I think the answer is both.

794
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,800
» The firehouse starting to drop off.
>> Yeah.

795
00:53:55,359 --> 00:54:02,240
» Firehouse starts to drop off.
>> Um

796
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,200
next year there's a Well, it's dropping
every year.

797
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,760
» Okay.
>> It's an advertising bond, correct? It's

798
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:11,599
not.
>> So, there is a uh I think a hundred and

799
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:14,480
something thousand drop next year.
>> Plus, we lose the fire truck.

800
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,800
» The fire truck goes away, right?
>> Yes. Yeah, the debt. The budget has the

801
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,200
last payment on the fire truck.
>> The debt on the fire truck.

802
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,839
» Yes.
>> Yeah.

803
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:27,920
» But that doesn't mean there's a new fire
truck around the corner.

804
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,400
» Well, I was just going to say ambulance.
>> I know

805
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:33,680
» the ambulances are the ambulance is
being taken out of L. Yeah,

806
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,599
» they're they're paying for that
themselves. I'm not

807
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,440
» You're right.
>> Not misunderstanding.

808
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:42,480
» Correct.
>> That requested budget went up quite a

809
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:46,880
bit, too.
>> It's been up there since they

810
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:51,760
» No. No, no, it went up what 310 it was
this year and it was like 288. So, I

811
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,599
don't know.
>> And that

812
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,880
» that was one of them that I noticed went
up quite a bit.

813
00:54:54,559 --> 00:55:02,640
» Is that something where there's like
there I think it was some sort of salary

814
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:07,200
issue as with hiring someone for the
fire department EMT or something where

815
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,240
some ambulance was supposed to get paid
for in certain amounts or we were going

816
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,440
to pay a salary or it's going to be
shared and now it's all in town.

817
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,720
» Yep.
Yes. Yes. So, the original proposal was

818
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:24,000
that
um the L, which is the ambulance

819
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:27,920
service, was going to contribute uh
$100,000

820
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:33,920
to the operation.
>> Mhm.

821
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:37,200
» Okay. Um that never occurred.
>> All right.

822
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,520
» The money that they bring in, they're
not turning back into the town they're

823
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,680
spending.
>> They purchased a new ambulance.

824
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,960
» Mhm. So they're paying for that. I mean,
some of the income that they got coming

825
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,680
in plus the money that we get them
>> plus supplies for anyway. I think two

826
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,520
years ago, what was it? 6070,000
just for the stretcher.

827
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,760
» Just for a stretcher.
>> Just for the stretcher.

828
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,480
» Y.
>> So it's not cheap.

829
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:03,440
» Um, so that does that run as a business
or does it run like the board of ed? We

830
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,720
give them money, they decide what to do
with it.

831
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,440
» Business.
>> So that

832
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,760
worries them stay in it.
>> Mhm. It's like monitoring it.

833
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:15,680
» Well, we give them money.
>> Yeah. If we control the amount we give

834
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:17,920
them.
>> Yeah.

835
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:22,720
» Right. But they the money they make,
they keep. That's what furnishes the new

836
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,960
ambulance, new equipment,
>> things like that.

837
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:28,799
» But that was the money. That's that
100,000 people talking about.

838
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:30,720
» So, we're still paying.
>> Yes.

839
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:36,480
» Oh, yeah. for
>> every town pays

840
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:40,640
» for their what their
>> we give them money and they they act

841
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:46,160
like just a heavily subsidized business.
>> Mhm.

842
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:48,720
» Why are we doing that?
>> That is

843
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,720
» that's like if you guys gave me money
for my business, great. Now that I'm

844
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:56,160
doing well, keep giving me money. I'm
going to keep buying more stuff. But

845
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:00,160
it's a little different
>> because you know we do have a

846
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:04,160
responsibility to make sure that there's
medical services available to the

847
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:07,440
» Oh, I'm not saying get rid of it. I'm
saying

848
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:12,799
» but would it be different? But it would
would it be different on the town's

849
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:18,480
» you know we're talking about the the
board of ed having taking capital gains

850
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:21,839
out of their budget and and paying for
those things separate. I know we've had

851
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:26,799
this conversation before about
ambulances and fire trucks and

852
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:31,680
everything like if it's a separate LLC,
what happen who owns what, you know, I

853
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:38,160
mean, would those things make sense to
take out of the general budget? And

854
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:44,480
would it be better on our on our ledgers
to have it as a capital gains

855
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,520
um expense rather than putting it into
the budget?

856
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,119
I
believe that they should be coming to us

857
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:55,839
and having that discussion before they
buy an ambulance.

858
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,599
» And anytime there's anything over a
certain amount of money, what is that?

859
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,720
25,000. I think it just went up 5 grand.
It has to go to a town meeting.

860
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,960
» So if they wanted to buy a new fire
truck, I assume they have to come to the

861
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,079
town, right? No.
>> No.

862
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:10,079
» No.
>> That's what we're talking about. Right.

863
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:12,480
» The town is funding it. Yes.
>> Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. If

864
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:17,119
they came and said, "Hey, we want
>> anything that we're going to allocate

865
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:20,559
money for over the certain amounts."
>> Yes. Has to come to town. Has to go to a

866
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,480
town meeting depending on the amount.
>> Most of the time the town will have

867
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,640
bondage.
>> Yes.

868
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:29,040
» Yeah. So, the town would have a say in
it.

869
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:33,680
» Yes. But what I'm asking is from what
Jonathan's been saying about, you know,

870
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:38,880
how it looks on, you know, our credit
and how it looks on, you know, us taking

871
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:43,760
money from our savings to pay our
regular bills versus taking money from

872
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:48,640
our savings to buy a fire truck or to
put a new roof on something. Like, does

873
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,920
is that better for our our credit
rating?

874
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,760
» That's what I'm asking.
>> Yes.

875
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:01,040
to use it for capital expenses is always
better.

876
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:06,240
» So, ch command at the fire department,
at what point does it switch to Lisbon

877
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:11,119
emergency response? Is that just EMTs?
>> Yes, the ambulance services emergency

878
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,720
response. Everything else is under the
fire department.

879
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,680
» Right.
>> So, cuz it it seems like the town is

880
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:21,359
investing in a business and then if that
business has a good return, the town

881
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,400
doesn't have any shares it can then sell
or sell to do.

882
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:28,960
» Right. Right.
>> It's that seems like a mistake. I'm not

883
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:33,440
saying we get rid of it, but if they
bring back an extra $60,000 that should

884
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,680
go in the general fund, like they're
still getting paid for it. They're

885
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:38,079
getting their salaries. Their equipment
gets paid for. They they get everything

886
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,079
they need.
>> They get help financially from the town

887
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:45,040
whenever they need it.
>> It's like the American Ambulance is a

888
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,839
business.
>> Yes.

889
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:51,280
» That's not a business.
>> That's it's basically a government

890
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:54,720
entity. That's that's how it should get
changed today. And that would could help

891
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:58,079
the budget cuz if they're buying
something they don't really need, but

892
00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:02,000
it's under 25,000, there's no real
oversight. They could spend $24,000 on

893
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:07,599
something shiny.
>> They don't have to they can spend

894
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:10,000
150,000
>> without bid or anything.

895
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:13,839
» Yeah.
>> Cuz they're separate organization that

896
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,000
we're giving a grant to.
>> Yeah, that's the difference.

897
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:21,520
» Okay.
>> So, why don't we get rid of it? And

898
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:26,400
» what are you going to replace it with?
>> EMTs and ambulances that work for the

899
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,119
town.
>> That's right. I don't understand. If

900
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:32,480
they're if they're being funded by the
town, why?

901
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:35,839
» No, the LA le is not being funded by the
town. What they get paid? They're

902
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,880
earning that through the
>> most of it. They're earning out of the

903
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,559
revenue they're generating from medical
calls.

904
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,680
» All right.
>> And we're supplementing it.

905
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,040
» Supplement. They're just they're running
out of the fire department. Right.

906
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:49,119
» They're being paid.
>> They're just being paid hourly.

907
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,079
» Yes.
>> That's it.

908
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,880
» Yes.
>> Yes.

909
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:56,079
» And if they have enough money that they
need a new ambulance like I think 2

910
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,559
years ago or something, they bought a
brand new ambulance

911
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,880
» and then like I said, they got to
furnish the I think the ambulance was

912
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,880
what 400,000.
>> Yeah. I missed.

913
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,599
» So then it was another 200 furnish. Like
I said, just a stretcher alone was over

914
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,960
50 grand.
>> Yeah. But it's not like through the fire

915
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,720
department, we just separate this thing.
It is its own separate business. Some

916
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:19,440
person owns it somewhere. We're just
giving them funding.

917
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,480
» It's a nonprofit,
>> right, that makes profit.

918
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,000
» Yeah. Well,
>> all nonprofits want to make

919
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,040
» We We get a We get a quarterly report
from them.

920
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,960
» Yeah.
>> So, they tell us exactly what they're

921
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,720
making,
>> right?

922
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:33,920
» And it hasn't been a lot.
>> No.

923
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,640
» You know, they're to the plus
>> 5 $10,000.

924
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,680
» Yeah. So, it's not much, but it's
basically just

925
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:45,680
» is it pretty much just EMTs. It's an
organization setup that's separate, but

926
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:49,599
there's no real It's the
>> Can I take Let me give you the history

927
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,359
on this and why this happened.
>> Yeah.

928
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:55,760
» Um
>> when this first started,

929
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,960
» um we were we were all we were all
volunteers. The whole everything was all

930
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:03,520
volunteers.
>> Um

931
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:09,280
whenever we would pick up a patient to
transport them to the hospital, there's

932
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:15,280
two categories, ALS and BLS. basic life
support and ALS which is advanced life

933
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:18,480
support we have to call for a medic out
of Baptist hospital medics charge.

934
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:23,200
» Yeah.
>> So what they would do is they would they

935
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,599
would come on board our ambulance by
protocol and they would go and they

936
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:35,359
would bill that patient. The problem is
is that Medicare would not pay for the

937
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:39,920
ALS service because Lisbon Fire
Department was not a billing service. So

938
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:43,040
we had to change the way we operate and
become a billing service.

939
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:46,319
» So you basically made a billable service
to do this

940
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:50,720
» right that we're a billing serable
service so that Medicare Medicare

941
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,799
insurance would pay these bills.
>> Yeah.

942
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:57,359
» I don't know how much you know how much
Medicare or any insurance company

943
01:02:54,799 --> 01:03:00,400
actually pays. Yes. Well, that's right.
It was an organizational thing to get

944
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,640
that.
>> Yes.

945
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:08,400
» Yeah, that makes more sense.
>> And the the option was to turn it over

946
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:12,160
to American Ambulance, which would delay
the response time because they'd be

947
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,119
coming out of Norwich.
>> Yeah.

948
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,319
» Instead of, you know, being local.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, that makes sense. It's

949
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,359
pretty much
>> it's a business, but it's not really

950
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:27,200
» All right. Any other discussion on the
motion? And the motion was

951
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:31,119
» to increase 300 million
>> 300,000 out of the surplus.

952
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:35,359
» And I second it.
>> Yes.

953
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:38,559
» And that is the recommendation to the
public hearing.

954
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:44,319
» Correct.
>> Those in favor sign I

955
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:49,599
» opposed. I Okay.
Uh motion passes 51.

956
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:54,079
» 42.
>> Oh 42. 42.

957
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:59,720
Okay. Now, what do you want to do with
the $118,000

958
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,720
deficit?

959
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,960
» I'll make a motion to take the 118 out
of the board of ed budget being we've

960
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:11,359
already found 80,000.
>> I second.

961
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:15,839
» Can Can I Can I
>> Yeah. Where where's the Just so I'm on

962
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:20,720
the same page and also I think the
public would like to know as well. um

963
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:25,200
the 80,000 on the board of eds with
>> 55,000 for the free breakfastes and then

964
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,720
the rest of it was out of capital gains
>> 55

965
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,440
» the capital improvements
>> capital improvements I'm sorry they're

966
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,480
going to get them anyway
>> so the capital improvements those are

967
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,559
the one time they're talking yeah
they're going to come over to

968
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:37,440
» so that's that's the painting of the
lines that's the painting the new room

969
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:40,319
that's also
>> No no no new room to be painted they

970
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:45,760
painted that last year
>> painted that last year

971
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:49,839
» if I could touch base on that 300 the
3,000 to paint the rooms is sort of

972
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:52,799
annual because we do have to paint 50
rooms. So every year we try to pay 32 as

973
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,880
Brian.
>> Okay.

974
01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:01,760
» Um 10,000 absolutely is in the board of
education budget and if the other

975
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:06,720
projects funded through the capital side
absolutely can come out but that's the

976
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:11,359
only capital improvement project
>> in the board of ed budget that is also

977
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:14,480
on that uh capital improvement. That's
the only project.

978
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:19,280
» Okay Jonathan just so you're clear.
>> Yeah. We cannot tell them what to cut.

979
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:25,119
» What to cut? Yep. We can only say you
cut by one, right? Yes. Understood.

980
01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:28,000
» So Wayne, the numbers you gave
originally were 55

981
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:30,799
» for the breakfast.
>> Yes.

982
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:34,400
» 10 for the parking lot
for the additional repairs to the

983
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,079
kitchen equipment. Hold on.
>> Okay. So that had nothing to do with the

984
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:39,359
painting.
>> So So I I do I do have a question about

985
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:42,880
the the the free breakfast.
>> Yes.

986
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:47,760
» Um so we're saying we we're not telling
them what to cut, right? like,

987
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,680
» but you're saying we easily found 80,000
that we can do away with.

988
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:53,920
» That's correct.
>> So, on the topic of affordability,

989
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:58,799
right, if we're talking about mill
increases and this and that and we're

990
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:02,640
going back and forth over $5 a month, I
can tell you if we're the town spending

991
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,520
$55,000 in aggregate for all of those
students to make sure their bellies are

992
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,559
full in the morning, I can tell you if
we shift that over to the household,

993
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:11,680
it's going to cost a lot more than $5.
>> Well, that program is already in place,

994
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,760
» right? So, we're saying if we get rid of
it,

995
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,000
» No, it's not. No, we we won't get rid of
the substance.

996
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,520
» No, no, no. We can't get rid of it. No,
no, no, no, no.

997
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,200
» Right. So,
>> it's there for people that that are

998
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,400
eligible for it. It's there,
>> right?

999
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,440
» But the other kids were there for
everybody.

1000
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,960
» For everybody.
>> For everybody. So, the point is we're

1001
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,280
saying some people can afford or feed
them at home or whatever,

1002
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,240
» right?
>> Or aford to feed them after school.

1003
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,799
» But if if we're talking if we're talking
about, you know, the the mill increase

1004
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,839
or not
>> Mhm.

1005
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:46,640
» Right. And the difference between a half
mil

1006
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:50,880
or a quarter mill is like $5. If we gave
free lunch to everybody

1007
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,160
that's going to call or not free lunch,
free breakfast, my apologies, to

1008
01:06:52,640 --> 01:07:00,079
everybody.
That shifts the burden of a much bigger

1009
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:05,520
expense. I mean, even when I was at LCS,
>> that there's a there's a state budget

1010
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:10,319
that that we don't have an answer to
right now that would provide that. And

1011
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:16,000
if we've already budgeted it,
>> the board of ed gets to keep it even if

1012
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,440
the state reimbures the the tenant.
>> Okay, I understand where you're coming

1013
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,160
from.
>> So, so that's why we thought if they

1014
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,880
took that out, you know, I mean, I guess
I don't know how it works, but we maybe

1015
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:28,000
we can make a decision.
>> Yeah, you make a contingency and say,

1016
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:31,520
hey, look, are we allowed to do that?
Are we are we allowed to say that hey if

1017
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,960
the state approves
>> you know that we have to say if they

1018
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:39,280
don't approve
>> we could fund it at that

1019
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:44,319
» they could come back later
>> I I don't know they come they come

1020
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:48,720
they're asking for $59100 for special
education

1021
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:53,039
» that's great we have to do it we have to
do it but don't come and ask us for

1022
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:57,839
$850,000 say oh you know what I feel
like let's go $55,000 in that's exactly

1023
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:01,119
how the $55,000 got in there because it
was a board member that wanted it in

1024
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,000
there.
>> Okay.

1025
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:09,280
» Yeah. So, as far as that program, the
way I see it,

1026
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:15,119
» since the state already has a program,
>> so instead of guessing who basically

1027
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:18,960
just off the numbers, who actually makes
what amount of money can they afford to

1028
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,319
feed their kids breakfast? The state
already has a program that they apply

1029
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,199
for. And if they actually can't, they're
saying, "Oh, look, we only make this

1030
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:29,279
much. We can't afford it.
>> The school provides their breakfast."

1031
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:33,120
» Yeah. the ones that don't get it, it's
because if they applied, they make

1032
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,880
enough money in the state saying yes,
you can afford to buy your kids

1033
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,759
breakfast. So that's the way I see it.
There are people that can't afford

1034
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:41,600
» to pay for the kids
>> and they're eligible right now today.

1035
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:45,440
» Yeah.
>> And every and the only other town that

1036
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:50,319
may do this is knowledge. None of the
other towns around here offer this free

1037
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:52,799
breakfast for all their students.
>> Something uh superintendent has

1038
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,239
something.
>> Oh, it's just a question. Maybe a dumb

1039
01:08:54,560 --> 01:09:03,520
question. So, I really don't know the
answer. I'm not setting anyone up.

1040
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:09,520
» So, well, so thank you. But
>> is there a way if we did the 55? I'm not

1041
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:12,159
saying if we did it and it came through
with the state, is there a way of giving

1042
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:17,520
you the money back?
>> No, you just asked that question.

1043
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:20,480
» I was asking allocate once we allocate
the money to you, it becomes part of the

1044
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:25,199
MBR.
>> So, so that means we would, you know,

1045
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:31,199
our budget for the school. Yeah. But but
but but if we chose later if the

1046
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:33,199
governor doesn't sign that in, we could
>> she could always come back and ask

1047
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,000
something.
>> So that's what you meant by contingency.

1048
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,400
» Yeah. They put a contingency, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If there was a

1049
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:42,159
contingency, we put a contingency and
say, "Hey, if the state doesn't pass it,

1050
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:46,080
boom, here's your money." Um my other
question to to to you guys, if you have

1051
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:49,679
the information, what percentage of our
student body is is receiving free

1052
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,440
breakfast income?
>> It's mid30s, I believe.

1053
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,719
» Mid30s.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We we went over the

1054
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,080
threshold, so to speak.
>> Okay.

1055
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:01,600
» So, my my second my second question, my
followup to that would be what are the

1056
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:05,520
direct administrative costs associated
with keeping track of who's on it, who's

1057
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:11,920
not on top of it? Because if those costs
are 10 20 grand, the net economic impact

1058
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:15,600
is not the 55, it's actually 35 in that
hypothe Well, no, because we we're going

1059
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,560
to have to we're going to have to report
all that to the state anyways.

1060
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:23,360
» Correct. Otherwise, we're not going to
reimburse those. understood.

1061
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:26,320
» And they netted that out with
the 55 is only an increase to the

1062
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:28,880
breakfast line,
>> right? Okay.

1063
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:32,960
» They were already taking money out of
out of out of

1064
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,640
» savings account to pay for a substantial
increase in both budgets,

1065
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,040
» right?
>> Um so it doesn't make sense to have that

1066
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:42,640
55 grand in there.
>> Yeah. But to Wayne's point, we can't

1067
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:46,320
tell them what to cut. We just how much?
>> That doesn't mean they they're going to

1068
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:49,040
cut it. They can go
they want. They can do whatever they

1069
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:55,840
want. Are we giving him the bottom line
of $118,000 cut? And he second it.

1070
01:10:52,320 --> 01:11:04,400
» I would ask that you amend the motion to
either increase the cut to $118,32

1071
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:13,560
or we remove $32 from the town
>> because the total deficit is is 118.

1072
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:13,560
» I'll renew the motion to $118,032.

1073
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:21,679
» I second.
>> Okay. Any other discussion?

1074
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:23,920
» Jonathan, my shit's back.
>> Hearing none.

1075
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:26,640
» I just got to say I have one.
>> Yes.

1076
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:31,679
» So, we started the day and I've talked
to several members. We started the day

1077
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:37,760
looking at a $40,000 cut. Now, we got
$118,000 cut. The town gets no cut,

1078
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:40,640
right? Is that is that how we're
>> That's the motion on the table.

1079
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,920
» All right. Great. Thanks.
>> I mean, it's still going to public

1080
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:48,800
hearing, so it it's
>> And this isn't the final. This this is

1081
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:50,719
only the recommendation to the public
>> public hearing.

1082
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:55,679
» Okay.
>> And I think the other thing that needs

1083
01:11:53,040 --> 01:12:00,960
to be brought out is you know the
impression is that every dollar we get

1084
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:08,000
for the board of ed we just frivolously
throw it away and and keep in mind that

1085
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:15,280
we give money back year after year. For
this year and last year we struggled to

1086
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:20,159
not come back for more money. And right
now sitting here, we're just praying we

1087
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:26,000
have enough dollars to get to the end of
the year. This is not frivolous

1088
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:31,040
spending. You know, every penny is
accounted for. And if you think the

1089
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:36,800
Buddhist select men don't have any
places to cut, we have even fewer places

1090
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:40,400
to cut.
>> I know it's not a competition and it

1091
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:43,400
shouldn't be, but they present it as a
competition.

1092
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:50,719
» All right. Any other comments?
>> Well, I'll just say one more thing. So,

1093
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:53,679
we have been uh very reluctant to come
back to this board for additional

1094
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,800
appropriations. I think we've done it
once in the last 15 years.

1095
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:01,840
» Correct.
>> Once in 16

1096
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:05,840
» and we've been eating that $92,000
threshold every year because we get new

1097
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:10,239
students every year that don't meet the
threshold. Right. I'll be back.

1098
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,080
» Yeah. I
>> Thanks.

1099
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:18,000
» Yeah. I'm going to go too, but thank you
so much. I would like to say, is this

1100
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:22,320
board doing anything to look at what we
need to do legislatively in Hartford to

1101
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:27,600
prevent the railroading that's happening
to our taxpayers right now? Because it

1102
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:31,600
affecting the students is is abysmal to
me. So, what are we doing? Because we

1103
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:35,120
just instituted a legislative committee.
I want to know what you guys are going

1104
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:39,440
to do to work with us to make sure that
this impact doesn't continue to grow and

1105
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:44,560
grow and grow every year. Like we need
to band together in Hartford to stop

1106
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:48,159
what's happening to us.
>> That really

1107
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:52,080
» is there anything we can do? Cuz that's
what I think. See that there

1108
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:56,719
» we cannot hear you.
>> All right. Is there anything we can do?

1109
01:13:55,199 --> 01:14:02,640
Because I agree. That's what I think
this whole thing is that there are state

1110
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:05,840
requirements and it seems like there's
no money or no way to actually meet them

1111
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:10,320
and it seems being suppressed. Is there
anything we can do?

1112
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:14,400
They're doing something. What can we do?
And obviously, we're all volunteers. How

1113
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:19,760
much time do we have to do it?
>> The only thing we can do really is is um

1114
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:23,760
» get together with other towns.
>> Yeah.

1115
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:27,360
» We don't have a voice big enough to out,
you know, yell Hartford and Bridgeport

1116
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,080
and Waterberry.
>> Yeah.

1117
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:31,440
» Um
>> this is not just the school. I mean,

1118
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,800
think about the the extra
>> right

1119
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:38,560
» cost of extra election days. That's a
huge burden on the table.

1120
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,480
» It is and it's ridiculous early voting.
Absolutely.

1121
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:44,640
» But they tell you you have to do it
>> for even for our, you know, our local

1122
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:48,320
things. We have to do it. And it's just,
it's terrible burden on us.

1123
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:52,239
» Yeah.
>> Unfunded mandates.

1124
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,920
» The only way to do it is get enough
small towns together to have an equal

1125
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:59,600
voice to the other towns, the larger
cities.

1126
01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:03,920
» All right. So,
>> I guess that's all you have to do. Start

1127
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:07,440
» what you're going to do and follow town.
Will my chair send an email to let them

1128
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:10,719
know what our next legislative committee
is and y'all are invited and we'll come

1129
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,120
out. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1130
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:19,280
» All right. Uh I'll take a mo. All those
in favor signal by saying I

1131
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,280
» opposed. I
>> I

1132
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:30,040
42.
>> Okay. Now let's go on to the capital

1133
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,040
budget.

1134
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:37,320
All right.
This is just

1135
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:57,600
Are we only having a conversation about
fiscal year 2027 right now?

1136
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:02,960
» Well, we can do anything we want.
>> Let's just do 2027 so we can go home

1137
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,960
tonight. Yeah.
Um

1138
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:14,000
» now if we depending on you know what we
decide on this we're we're having the

1139
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,760
conversation that we we will control
this.

1140
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,080
» Yes.
>> So so if we want more bids for something

1141
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:24,080
if we want to question a cost on
something we can do that. Okay.

1142
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,120
» Yes.
>> Which I know at least one of them

1143
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:31,920
Brian's already getting a second quote
on. But it's just that specific type of

1144
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:34,320
water heater is really expensive to buy.
>> Okay.

1145
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:39,120
» And it's the because it serves the
shower that's the shelter.

1146
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:44,480
» It's the only reason it's the only
appliance on it that requires a higher

1147
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:48,880
flow rate which is why it's oil fired.
Um so basically you have a power vtor,

1148
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:53,600
you have a burner. It's not just like an
electric water heater that would cost

1149
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:57,920
$500. This this is expensive to put in.
>> And what is it for a shower for what?

1150
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:01,760
Uh, I think it feeds the shower. The new
origin bath marine has a shower and I

1151
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:05,199
think it's also kind of like a shelter
>> like emergency shelter if there's a

1152
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:08,080
» Yeah. So it's
>> hurricane or something.

1153
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,719
» Yeah. It's 10 years old. They got their
money's worth out of it.

1154
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:16,239
» Yeah.
>> And that and that one is the um 9985.

1155
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:20,280
Is that the one we're talking about?
>> Yep. 30 gallon.

1156
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,280
» Okay.

1157
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:31,280
» The only other thing Let's see.
replace six exhaust fans. That quote

1158
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:36,080
actually a little different. I think it
was higher last time I saw it unless I

1159
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:39,040
saw it. Not all that 25.
>> That's crazy.

1160
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:43,840
» Yeah. So,
I think a big problem with the numbers

1161
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:49,199
is the town doesn't have
anyone in the skilled trade on payroll.

1162
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:54,880
These exhaust fans,
um, usually I swap them. It take like

1163
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:59,040
two, three hours. depends on what kind
of fan you buy. You know, less than two

1164
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:03,040
grand per fan.
>> Um if this is going on top of like the

1165
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,440
kitchen,
>> that's a different story.

1166
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:08,000
» Yeah. I mean, well,
>> yeah, cuz it's got to have grease

1167
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,640
recovery and everything else in it.
>> Yeah.

1168
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:13,280
» Um if it's going somewhere else and we
have to know where we are if this looks

1169
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:20,679
really reasonable.
>> Is it on here? Did you

1170
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,679
» get in there for sex,000?

1171
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,719
That's what

1172
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,679
the fan is located.

1173
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:38,199
» Okay.

1174
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,320
» I see I see one.

1175
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,199
» I don't know where it is. Okay.

1176
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,800
» I would suggest we fund the um
dishwasher.

1177
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:05,080
» Mhm.
>> The parking lot and the water heater.

1178
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:11,760
» Now, I I do have a question on on on the
water heater, right? If it's an

1179
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:16,000
emergency shelter, is there any grants
we can apply for through the state or

1180
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:20,640
through the federal government, through
FEMA perhaps that says that can offset

1181
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,199
our burden, our $10,000 burden?
>> We can ask them.

1182
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:26,560
» I think that's research that I think
that's something we should look into.

1183
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:29,440
» Wayne, you said the dishwasher,
>> dishwasher, the parking lot,

1184
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,719
» and what was the other one?
>> And the water heater,

1185
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:37,040
» the 30 gallon water heater. Okay.
>> At a minimum, there might be a rebate if

1186
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,239
we change the fuel source.
>> Correct.

1187
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,760
We got a propane 50 in every source
rebate.

1188
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:45,920
» Yeah,
>> it depends on where it is.

1189
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:48,159
» Um,
>> but how much additional cost would we

1190
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:51,199
have to incur?
>> I think they fuel sources.

1191
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,840
» I think they have to get more quotes on
the uh

1192
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:57,760
» on the exhaust fans.
>> Gotcha. And then compare

1193
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:01,480
» we only have how many do we have right
now?

1194
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,480
» It's

1195
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:06,400
most of them one quote per vegetarian
number but there's six fans with six

1196
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:10,159
different quotes.
>> Gotcha. But yes, the job would go

1197
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:13,360
forward based on the thresholds of of
the dollar, we have to have whether it's

1198
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:18,159
three quotes, three estimates.
>> Gotcha. Okay. Right. Yeah. So just just

1199
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:23,120
additional bids we're waiting on. So
that's what you're saying.

1200
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:27,600
» Yeah. I would say let them come back and
um

1201
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:30,600
» What about the AC for the library?
>> No.

1202
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:38,320
» And that's so they're going to have to
put that in their budget. Well, they can

1203
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:40,880
always come back to us, but I think
um

1204
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:44,080
» can I just ask
>> I have to you know I have a serious

1205
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:49,679
question for that amount.
>> We based we based everything that we

1206
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:51,199
were talking about thank you on the 159
the 160

1207
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:57,920
» right
>> meaning that we were going to

1208
01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:03,600
fund that. So, now you're saying that we
didn't we're not going to play with the

1209
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:08,159
um uh library AC,
>> correct? I I'm I've got some concerns on

1210
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:13,360
that quote.
>> That is a ton of money for repairs.

1211
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:18,000
» Okay. Um
>> D, can you tell them some of the

1212
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:22,239
problems we have with the scient where
it's not just

1213
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,960
» that's this I don't know if this one is
a replacement.

1214
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,440
» He's got something to say.
>> Yeah. So that that particular unit is a

1215
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:34,480
repair. Uh to replace it is is we were
quoted roughly north of 120,000.

1216
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:38,719
» That is extremely low gas that that AC
utilizes as it leaks. It's extremely

1217
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:42,640
expensive to fill it.
>> Uh we thought our best approach was to

1218
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:47,920
repair it for the 37,000 as opposed to
spend 120,000 uh to to replace it.

1219
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:53,600
» Yeah. But if I could just ask you just
for clarification, I I believe we the

1220
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:57,199
vote and the motion was to go to 300,000
the capital reserve to then fully fund

1221
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:01,040
all the repairs and then the board of
today was asked to cut all of the

1222
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:03,679
reduction out of the budget. But now
we're not going to fund all the capital

1223
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,480
improvement projects. I just
>> That wasn't the motion.

1224
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,800
» No, it wasn't the motion. That was that
was the intent. That was

1225
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,760
» that was not the motion. So
>> yeah, but that was the intent when we

1226
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:15,199
did that.
>> Well,

1227
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,199
we took out of the education budget.
Yeah. Yeah.

1228
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:22,239
» We have improvements out of the
education budget to lower it

1229
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:24,719
» because we've asked you to cut 118.
>> Now it's in here,

1230
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:28,239
» right? I think you might have been out
of the room.

1231
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:32,320
» Now when you're saying we're not going
to pay, we're not going to fund

1232
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,040
» the library uh AC.
>> Wait a minute.

1233
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:39,920
» Well, this is just what he's saying.
>> What I'm saying is that I have no

1234
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,280
problem with those three and I think we
should fund them.

1235
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,199
» Okay.
>> Which three is that again? I'm sorry for

1236
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,239
leaving the room.
>> The conveyor dishwasher. the dishwasher,

1237
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:50,000
» parking lot,
>> the parking lot, and the hot water.

1238
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:54,080
» Okay.
>> And and if we approve the hot water, I'm

1239
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:57,199
all in favor for that. Can we see if
there's any sort of grant money that

1240
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:02,159
FEMA is offering or anything like that
since it is also used as a shelter, even

1241
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:06,719
if we get reimbursed 10%. Hey, that's a
grand. We didn't have,

1242
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:11,120
» you know, I I don't know whose responsib
I don't know if it's your responsibility

1243
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:13,600
or if it's somebody at the town or
whatever, but

1244
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,679
» that was part of the deal with the
300,000

1245
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:19,920
mil,
>> right?

1246
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:27,199
» No, I I would ask that they go back and
get some cut and dry pricing on the AC

1247
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:30,639
because how old is that unit?
>> I don't have the exact age, but I would

1248
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:36,320
have known that. Um, it's it's just old.
That's what I know. I know it's

1249
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:42,239
» I can't see putting $37,000
$38,000 into a 25y old unit.

1250
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:47,199
» Their estimate was that the leaking
would cost us around 15,000 annually to

1251
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:52,000
maintain the leak. So if it continued to
leak to buy the gas to maintain it was

1252
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:54,880
going to be about 15,000.
>> So if we don't touch it, that's an

1253
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,239
expense that we're going to incur that's
not in our budget.

1254
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:02,080
» Right. But what I'm saying is that
you're talking about a 25 year old 20 25

1255
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,040
year old unit
>> at that point. Just replace it for 125.

1256
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:08,719
» Correct. Yeah.
>> Okay. If you replace it, we're do for

1257
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,280
the science room. We explain the problem
we have replacing.

1258
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:15,360
» I think that's why the quote's high
>> because they're so I think the the idea

1259
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:19,840
is their quote for replacing is over
100,000 because of same issues.

1260
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:24,159
» Yeah. Same issues.
>> You got structural issues. You got to

1261
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:28,400
get a certified engineer. You got to
there's a whole bone of stuff that goes

1262
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:34,080
into this and the town already voted
down doing the

1263
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:37,600
» uh uh air conditioning wind
>> uh

1264
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:43,280
» but I just think that throwing 38,000
almost $40,000 into a 25y old

1265
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:47,360
» the replacement was
>> north of 120.

1266
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:52,239
» Yeah. So let her get firm quotes on
that. Uh, make sure that you're getting

1267
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,800
energy efficient quotes,
>> rebates, grants,

1268
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,000
» because there are rebates from
Eversource.

1269
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,960
» Yeah.
>> And the other thing you need to do,

1270
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,000
» and they can be up to a third of the
cost.

1271
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:03,040
» Yeah.
>> You're going to have to talk to um

1272
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,760
» Good point,
>> right?

1273
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,880
» The building inspector,
>> cuz he's going to require an engineering

1274
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,760
stamp
>> to put a new unit in, cuz that's what

1275
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:15,840
we're going through in the science room,
right?

1276
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:20,560
» And the price of poker just went way up.
>> It's not going to be what you think. C

1277
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:24,639
can I ask one quick question? I know the
following year

1278
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:29,440
we're looking at hopefully grant money
to replace the to put an in install HVAC

1279
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:34,960
in a cafeteria in gym. Is there any way
we can piggy bank the three of them and

1280
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:38,400
» save the town shut down?
>> Yeah, but they're looking at putting

1281
01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:42,960
that that back on the
>> Yeah. And for 28.

1282
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:47,280
» Yeah. No, but what Ry's saying is was it
last year or the year before? We had we

1283
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,960
had a vote on putting that in and the
town shot it down.

1284
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:52,560
» Okay.
>> So, but but they're looking at getting

1285
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,960
grant money to do it
>> and they and they can also to cover 80

1286
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,520
85%.
>> Right.

1287
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,760
» And the town says no, we don't want to
do that. So now we're going to have to

1288
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:05,360
eat this,
>> right?

1289
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:07,280
» I thought it was real quick.
>> This is a no winner.

1290
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:12,000
» Who's that?
>> The AC and the grant. So we did have

1291
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:18,159
conversation uh superintendent Kitty and
Brian and myself and that grant project

1292
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:22,080
uh we would look to be getting um state
senator to write a letter of support so

1293
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:27,920
that we receive an 80% funding but
according to the state uh the office

1294
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:32,639
that uh approves the school construction
grants um you have to put up the full

1295
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:37,760
dollar amount first pay for the project
and then receive hopefully 80% of

1296
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:40,560
reimbursement rate. I believe we might
be able to do that library one the way

1297
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:43,280
maybe you know um
>> you can do it under the federal grant or

1298
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:46,320
the state grant
>> even though you're replacing an existing

1299
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,280
as opposed to the other two would be
bridge

1300
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:50,159
» yes
>> okay

1301
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:55,199
» yes so they could put that through there
which would mean that would reduce the

1302
01:26:51,920 --> 01:27:01,920
cost of whatever it is by 50%.
Hey Ray, I have a question. Um, rooftop

1303
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:07,760
units patching free on lines, soldering,
anything. Anyone do that?

1304
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:13,520
» Um, cuz I don't really see it too often
if they have a refrigerant leak and it's

1305
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:17,760
just in the coil lines or somewhere. Um,
you think we could find someone to get a

1306
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,360
patch to just try to patch it, solder
it, whatever.

1307
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:21,120
» How old is this unit?
>> 20.

1308
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,239
» I don't know if he's
>> It was when I was a kid, actually, when

1309
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:28,480
they did the media center. So, so it's
probably refrigerant 22 and they haven't

1310
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,639
made that since 1996.
>> Yeah. Which is probably why the gas is

1311
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:34,960
so expensive.
>> Yeah. So to patch it last year possible.

1312
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,719
That's
>> I know Brian has present Brian and the

1313
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:42,080
contractor have discussed this cuz this
unit has you know we attempted to repair

1314
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:44,159
it. So patching and all these things
have been presented.

1315
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:49,040
» Uh this is
>> but the refrigerant lines are leaking

1316
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:53,360
and it's a solder joint. That's not a
complicated thing to do to fix. I think

1317
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:57,199
that's what what Dave's asking.
>> Yeah, at least fix it to limit it to

1318
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:00,639
2027.
>> If it's just the lines that are leaking,

1319
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:04,719
they should be able to fix them.
>> Yeah. Again, I wasn't perfect to that

1320
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:08,560
conversation between Ryan coils. If it's
the coils, that's

1321
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:11,520
» I could because there was a I know there
was a problem in that route.

1322
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:14,560
» The coils, that's a whole different
game. Then that's not easy.

1323
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:18,159
» Do you think this
>> is to replace basically? If it was that

1324
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:22,080
simple, I know we would have taken care
of it because I know this because again,

1325
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,159
this is costing us money annually.
>> That's not enough.

1326
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:29,679
» When you mention the coils, I'm pretty
positive that's where the problem.

1327
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:33,600
» But I my personal opinion is we need to
we should be replacing this unit. We

1328
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,320
shouldn't be catching
>> we tried to do it.

1329
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:39,440
» If anybody knows, do you need to do
maintenance work schools? You know,

1330
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:44,719
» this is a different one.
>> There was the gym library,

1331
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:49,280
» right? This is the live media center
that I I would suggest that we go

1332
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:53,600
tomorrow night approving
>> the three.

1333
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:58,719
» Monday,
>> the dishwasher,

1334
01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:01,760
» the parking lot, and the water heater.
>> Yes.

1335
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:07,199
» Send them back to do more research on
the on the media center.

1336
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:10,880
» Okay. So, the three was the
>> dishwasher for 65,000.

1337
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,760
» Yep. Mhm.
>> What was the other one? The hot water

1338
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,280
heater.
>> Hot water heater.

1339
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:16,880
» 10.
>> 10.

1340
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:21,360
» And what was the third one?
>> The parking lot at 16.

1341
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,920
» 16 or 135.
>> 16 is what?

1342
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:30,080
» Wait, I thought you said it was also 10.
>> No. So it's

1343
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:32,880
» So what we did was the full to to seal
strife the parking lot. The full cost is

1344
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,120
$16,000.
>> 165. Correct. We only have 10 in our

1345
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:40,639
budget in the case that doesn't pass as
just a band-aid to paint do whatever we

1346
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:48,000
could to improve the park.
>> So you're looking at 165. Okay. Okay.

1347
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:51,440
» All right. Which comes out to about 91.
>> 91. Exactly. Okay.

1348
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:54,400
» 91 that for the
>> We agreed to have it taken out of their

1349
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,800
budget. We got to we got to pay it.
>> Yeah.

1350
01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:01,760
» We got to do it. So, we're getting we're
getting quotes for or we want we're

1351
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:06,400
requesting them getting quotes for the
AC in the library and the exhaust.

1352
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:09,520
» Get more information to us on that.
>> Okay.

1353
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:14,239
» Cuz I really
It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend

1354
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:17,199
almost $40,000 to repair a 25-y old
piece of equipment.

1355
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:21,440
» How about the exhaust fans?
>> More quotes.

1356
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:26,000
» I think they need to get more quotes.
>> I think they're $30,000. Wow.

1357
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:30,560
» Yeah. So, Green Heck, that's the same
brand I switched to for McDonald's. So,

1358
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:35,360
I'll see how much they're paying to put
these in. And if there's a rebate, they

1359
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,880
have a more efficient motor in their
direct drive.

1360
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:40,800
» Correct. If
>> there could be rebates, huh?

1361
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,199
» Yeah. So, maybe there's a rebate to try
to

1362
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:44,480
» We need to get this information before
the town meeting.

1363
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,000
» Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1364
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:52,320
» Because it's not fair that the public
we're hammering them with burden and

1365
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:54,320
we're not funding what we said we'
>> fund. But we are funding what we said we

1366
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,000
would fund.
>> No, we're not. We're not doing the AC's.

1367
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:02,719
» They didn't take the AC out of We didn't
take the AC out of their budget.

1368
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:05,679
» No, no. He's He's saying that when we
said we would fund the 159,

1369
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,719
» right? You're right.
>> We're not.

1370
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,600
» You're right.
>> And I have a problem with that.

1371
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,719
» No, I I agree with you. You're right.
You're right.

1372
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:16,800
» And if I could just say one thing, and I
apologize to not be a stapler here. I

1373
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:21,199
just feel like my due diligence to stick
up for the board of education. Um, by

1374
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:25,600
not repairing that one AC bill in the
library. Now, we are incurring $15,000

1375
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,199
of expenses next year.
>> Got it.

1376
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:31,520
» So,
>> but we're and we're reducing

1377
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:35,120
» we're at this point. We're not saying
we're not going to fund it.

1378
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:41,040
» What we're saying is we would prefer
that you replace the unit and you need

1379
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:47,520
to come back to us with firm quotes on
replacing the unit with and an energy

1380
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:53,520
efficient unit that will meet the rebate
stuff from from Eversource. Okay. And

1381
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:57,199
you should be able to apply for the
grant.

1382
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:01,360
» Right. Right.
>> Which is an extremely lengthy process

1383
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:05,760
though and probably will not happen. It
certainly won't happen within the uh AC

1384
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:09,679
season, let's call it.
>> So we will be incurring that that cost.

1385
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:13,360
That's all I just wanted to point out
with because these are not part of the

1386
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:16,159
town's budget versus capital.
>> Let's get the figures together. Can we

1387
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:19,440
come back to you on a monthly basis if
you will like anytime throughout the

1388
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:23,360
year we can present the updated figures
for approval from the

1389
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:27,920
» Well, I look at it this way. All right.
Um

1390
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:34,400
first of all the
um

1391
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:40,719
the repairs up through July 1st or in
this current budget

1392
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:47,600
that you're already operating on. Okay.
Um the school is closed until end of

1393
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:51,440
August. Okay. So if we need the fund and
temporary repair,

1394
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:59,280
you know, to get you through, then we
can look at doing that. Okay. The in the

1395
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:03,440
meantime, we need to you need to get
figures together on a replacement unit

1396
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:08,560
that would meet the Eversource
standards. Um well, one that won't and

1397
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:14,239
one that will. Okay? and what the
rebates from Eversource are going to be.

1398
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:20,239
Okay. Then we can turn around and decide
which way we want to go. Um whether

1399
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:27,120
we're going to fund the repairs or we're
going to uh fund a replacement. Okay. Um

1400
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:31,520
meanwhile, once we decide whichever
which you need to do quickly, you can

1401
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:39,120
apply for the grant.
Okay. Um, and if we've got to fund uh

1402
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:43,360
some repairs to that for the AC side,
um, to get you through until October and

1403
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:46,239
November,
um, then you're only going to have heat

1404
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:49,280
after that point until the following
summer. So, we do have some time to get

1405
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:52,800
a replacement
>> and and but that grant process is like a

1406
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:56,960
six-month minimum because it does have
to clear a board's budget that has uh

1407
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:00,639
the board of selectman's budget and
that's what your budget that you know

1408
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:04,080
the dollar amounts. Well, it does not
have to clear the board's budget.

1409
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:08,880
» Well, the board has to approve it before
we can pass along.

1410
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:13,760
» The board has to pass a resolution um or
the town has to pass a resolution

1411
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:18,960
ordering the superintendent to apply for
the grant,

1412
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:23,760
» right? We also have,
>> right? That's why I'm saying get your

1413
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:26,480
get your quotes together so we can act
on this and have it before the town

1414
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,080
meeting
>> Monday.

1415
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,040
» No.
>> Oh, tell me. public hearing

1416
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:34,960
» public hearing
>> when oh the town week

1417
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:38,800
» May 1st
but that was sort of my question for the

1418
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,840
process that we're not going to fund
tonight or at least we're not going to

1419
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:44,880
include a motion
>> are you saying those have to be

1420
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:48,400
presented to you prior to the town
meeting don't happen

1421
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,120
» would be better off to prevent
>> they were yes

1422
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:54,960
» then they could be presented to the town
this is exact dollar amount

1423
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:59,120
» they don't have to we can always hold an
additional town meeting but that's an

1424
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:00,560
additional expense my foot.
>> Okay.

1425
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:04,800
» Yep.
>> Just one comment. Um, working in a

1426
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,920
science lab.
>> Mhm.

1427
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:11,760
» And the air conditioning system that's
in that room,

1428
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:18,159
we were looking at replacing it with
this project. And inevitably, we can't

1429
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:24,320
replace it right now because if we were
going to change it for the building

1430
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:28,159
official, we need to bring the new unit
up to the new codes.

1431
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:32,880
» Correct. And by doing that, we need to
hire engineers to engineer stamp the

1432
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:37,840
roof to make sure it can certify that it
can hold the weight of the units to

1433
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:40,560
support everything. That's probably
going to happen here too

1434
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,920
» for this project.
>> Yeah,

1435
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,280
» sure.
>> And adding those engineering stamps.

1436
01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:51,040
» Yes,
>> we got quotes. Weren't those quotes like

1437
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:55,679
60 to $70,000?
Yeah.

1438
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:59,760
» 60 to 70,000 was a budget basically to
avoid that was to install a separate ERV

1439
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:02,000
inducted in.
>> Right. But what was the engineering

1440
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:06,080
stamps?
>> Oh, they Oh, to do it the whole way with

1441
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:11,199
new units. We were told it would cost as
much as the entire project

1442
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:13,600
over $200,000 to put air conditioning in
a science lab.

1443
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:17,199
» But it depends on what you have up
there. I think you're talking about two

1444
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:22,400
different units.
>> Okay. My belief is that the one on the

1445
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:27,120
media center is a curb mounted.
Okay? So, as long as your weight for the

1446
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:30,960
old unit and the new one don't
significantly alter and they're going to

1447
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:34,159
drop it right on the same curbing,
>> the support is there for different.

1448
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:37,600
That's what we were looking at doing
here. We couldn't

1449
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:41,120
» That one was condenser only on the roof.
Everything else below.

1450
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:45,520
» So, it was adding everything on the roof
plus the makeup air. But the one in the

1451
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:50,320
library might already have makeup air,
>> right? So, we have to know.

1452
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:52,480
» That's why they got some research to do.
>> So, there's a lot of research that needs

1453
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,119
to be done.
>> Yeah.

1454
01:36:52,800 --> 01:37:00,239
» It may just be a control issue to update
with the new unit if it moves air the

1455
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:04,159
way that they want. It might just be
something that like motion detectors

1456
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:08,480
that then shut the unit down or bring it
down or something like that. So, it may

1457
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,320
not be as bad. It's still expensive.
It's a bigger unit. It's still going to

1458
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:16,239
be expensive,
>> right? But it would be better to replace

1459
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:19,600
it than to I it sounds like they want to
replace the coils and make it work on

1460
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:23,119
new refrigerator. That's the only thing
I could see costing this much.

1461
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:27,360
» Yeah, but to replace the coils, you got
to put the TXVs, the valves, everything

1462
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:30,600
else.
>> You're rebinating

1463
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:36,239
and it's going to destroy the new unit.
>> Yeah.

1464
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:40,639
» Yeah.
So, it probably sounds like it would be

1465
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:44,639
better to try to replace it, which
>> um as far as I'm concerned,

1466
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:48,000
» it would be better than what they're
asking for. Let's see if we can make it

1467
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:52,400
work to get them more.
>> Have to do it in a timely manner because

1468
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:55,679
» if you bring this up after budget
season, after raising taxes, I guarantee

1469
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:59,360
it will not fly.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We've had that happen

1470
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:01,040
already. The first time we've lived the
dream.

1471
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:05,760
» Yeah. 18 to 16.
>> We've already said we were going to fund

1472
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:10,639
the 159. If we're going to replace the
air conditioning, if that's the plan,

1473
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,679
then we need to move so that when we go
to

1474
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,600
» the town
>> the town meeting,

1475
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:18,719
» right,
>> we have we have enough information so

1476
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:21,840
the the taxpayer can pay off
>> and then we're fair to them, too.

1477
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:26,000
» Yeah.
>> Is that is that a realistic amount of

1478
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,880
time to get the required quotes and
everything?

1479
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Easily. If we're if we're if we

1480
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:36,480
were at one point
>> possibly considering 500 from the

1481
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:40,639
reoccurring recurring whatever and now
we're saying 300

1482
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:44,000
» and it's not going to affect their mill
rate for us to put it through maybe that

1483
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:48,320
would be
>> this this air conditioner will we're

1484
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:54,480
going this will cost a lot more
>> replacement. But whether you approved a

1485
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:57,840
$400,000 and a mill increase tonight or
you did the 300, either way, we're going

1486
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:03,840
to pay for this thing.
>> Well, no. What I'm saying is what I'm

1487
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:07,600
saying is if it's 379 on here for that
AC and he's saying 120 or something. Is

1488
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:11,600
that what you're saying?
>> To replace

1489
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:14,159
» to replace it. That's $100,000 more.
>> Yes.

1490
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:18,080
» Which is the difference between the 300
and the 400 and the 500. And that's if

1491
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:20,800
it doesn't require any engineering or
anything else like that because that's

1492
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:22,320
what we ran into in the
>> sign. Gotcha.

1493
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,199
» Correct.
>> Okay.

1494
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:27,520
» Mhm.
>> Okay.

1495
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:30,480
» Cuz we'll probably have to come back for
that too.

1496
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:32,639
» Whether you do it this May 1st or you do
it next May Bank first, only thing

1497
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,440
you're going to have happen is the price
is going to go up.

1498
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:38,320
» So whether you leave the 200,000 alone
in a surplus and get 7% interest, which

1499
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:40,880
is great.
>> Mhm.

1500
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:43,679
» It's going to go up a lot more than 7%.
Look what happened. Was it 4 years ago?

1501
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:47,679
We're getting we're getting we're
getting three and 361 as of this week.

1502
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:51,920
Interest not seven.
>> Oh, if it was 7 m about money from the

1503
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:55,199
general.
>> How much was it when it got shut down?

1504
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,040
Four years ago. 3 years ago.
>> 400,000. How much?

1505
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,679
» 400,000.
>> And what is it today?

1506
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:02,080
» Double something.
>> It's almost double.

1507
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:06,639
» Doesn't include the engineering.
>> Just

1508
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:11,679
talking.
When you bring a capital budget to us

1509
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:15,280
number, it should include everything,
>> right? I think if you remember the

1510
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:19,280
timeline of this was tight.
>> Yeah. We put it

1511
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:22,080
» just make sure that cuz we don't want to
go to the town and approve it and then

1512
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,920
all of a sudden you're coming back.
Well, I need another 20,000 for

1513
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:27,040
engineering.
>> And that's why we pushed that one back

1514
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:35,280
in there, too, just to make sure that
>> um All right. So, um I believe there's

1515
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:41,280
Can I can I have a motion to add the
those three items to the Monday um

1516
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:43,679
public hearing?
>> Uh so

1517
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:46,800
» these three items of the
>> dishwasher, parking lot, and the water

1518
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,639
heater.
>> I'll make that

1519
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:51,119
» approved.
>> Yes.

1520
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:54,800
» This is for Monday
>> for the public.

1521
01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:57,679
» Yeah. And I also I'd like you to add in
the addendum that we want we we will

1522
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,880
fund these.
>> Yes. Mhm.

1523
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:02,560
» Yes.
>> So the tech so that everybody knows that

1524
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:06,560
that's get done.
>> They will get done but we need more

1525
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:09,280
information on them.
>> Okay.

1526
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:11,760
» You make I think the
>> those words

1527
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,280
» 29,000 they got to get more quotes.
>> Yeah.

1528
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:15,600
» Also
>> for the exhaust fans.

1529
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:18,320
» Yes. For the exhaust fans
>> because those could get those could get

1530
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:21,840
approved pretty quickly and they could
get them done this year.

1531
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:24,639
» Yeah. Which is fine. But I mean that's
an huge

1532
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:27,199
» it's a huge amount for the fans that
they're asking for the amount of fans

1533
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,280
that are asking. But but if we aren't
going to if we don't get to air

1534
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:32,639
condition this year, at least we've got
a payment. We got the ball rolling. So

1535
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:38,719
that's why I want to make sure that
that's covered when we tell it uh at the

1536
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:41,840
town hearing and town meeting.
>> So people know that this is covered. The

1537
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:47,679
train's on the tracks.
>> You want to make that motion

1538
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:53,840
» or add to it? We put it with a note that
we were we're recommending the approval

1539
01:41:49,840 --> 01:42:01,679
of the three items and noted that the
repair to the AC unit uh and the HVAC

1540
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:05,760
fans um need additional quotes and
information. Uh whether they're repair

1541
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:08,800
or replacement,
>> either way they're going to get fixed.

1542
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:12,080
» Yeah.
>> As long as that's in there.

1543
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:16,239
» Okay. I'll second it. I'll add that
wording.

1544
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:18,639
» Okay. Any other discussion
hearing? None. Those in favor sign by

1545
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,199
saying I.
>> I.

1546
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:26,480
» Opposed. Hearing. No. Motion carries
unanimously.

1547
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:33,119
You know what you got to do.
>> Okay. Also, just um so everyone knows uh

1548
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:36,960
we do record these meetings. Put them on
YouTube. I don't know anymore.

1549
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:40,320
» No, I I listen. I listen.
>> She's still recording.

1550
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:44,400
» Yeah. We just don't talk about it.
>> Yeah. No, I I I don't talk about

1551
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:48,800
» Yeah. No, which is great because you
know in in my absence over the past you

1552
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:53,520
know little while I have been listening
to them so they are they are helping

1553
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:58,400
the price for this new air conditioner
instead of repairing the old ones.

1554
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:00,400
» Is that you who's supposed to be doing
this?

1555
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,679
» The board of ed
>> Oh the board that would be you and the

1556
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:07,000
maintenance department there.
>> Okay.

1557
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,000
» Yep.

1558
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:13,679
» Okay. And make sure you come back with
multiple quotes.

1559
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:19,600
» Okay. They have another problem up
there. Brian's going to be meeting.

1560
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:24,320
» So, I don't know how much information
for the structural part is.

1561
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:30,199
» They're going to need help.
>> Who's your residence room director

1562
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,199
starting next week?

1563
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:34,880
» An interim build a facilities director.
>> He's a new guy though.

1564
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:38,960
» I'm sorry.
>> Not somebody if you're working at the

1565
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:41,199
school. Well, uh, he was a facilities
director of the city of Ryan, uh, for

1566
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:46,560
his
>> No, the problem is, uh, finding prints

1567
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:50,400
and everything. Brian knows where
everything is and

1568
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:54,239
» a lot of that stuff in there.
>> You're you're replacing the antiques. He

1569
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:57,040
knows where everything is and knows
>> and he's not replaceable, right? To be

1570
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:00,800
clear,
>> for you to do this, you got about a two

1571
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:06,480
week window with him.
>> Yeah. And and they are they are meeting

1572
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:10,080
Monday morning. Please.
>> Yeah, he's not leaving Monday. I'm sorry

1573
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,639
about
>> who's leaving Monday morning.

1574
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:20,639
» No, no, no. Uh the interim facilities
individual meeting Monday morning.

1575
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:27,119
» Yeah, Ken plays Bri.
>> I would take advantage of Mr. Jolly too.

1576
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:29,679
» I would take advantage of him. He knows
AC.

1577
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:32,480
» Right. Right.
>> That would expedite things for you.

1578
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,639
Stay.
>> Yeah. Wayne, you've done this too,

1579
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:40,560
right?
>> He doesn't have anything else to do.

1580
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:46,000
» Yeah. Right.
>> Um,

1581
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:49,440
» another just a quick comment on the uh
the spreadsheets that we get sent out uh

1582
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,880
in emails when we're reviewing budgets
and everything. Um, can that be sent as

1583
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,600
a copy of an Excel?
>> Cuz when I play around with the numbers

1584
01:44:54,480 --> 01:45:00,159
on my own,
>> uh, can you just send send the file like

1585
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:04,159
just it's literally just a file.
>> Okay. Um that that would be massively

1586
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:07,280
helpful because I spend probably two
hours just trying to format the thing so

1587
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:09,760
I can play with the numbers.
>> I'll ask.

1588
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:14,239
» Yeah, that would be that would be great.
>> You don't have to send it to everybody,

1589
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:19,199
just the people who can do them.
>> I will take a motion to approve the

1590
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:23,119
audit, the draft audit that was
presented last last meeting.

1591
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:27,440
» I'll make that motion to approve.
>> Second. Any discussion?

1592
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,880
» Hearing none. Those in favor signify by
saying I.

1593
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:35,119
» I.
>> Opposed. Another motion.

1594
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:39,040
» And uh I'll take a motion to adjourn.
>> I'll make the motion. I said that.

1595
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,360
» Okay. We're journ. It's the time,
please.