[0:00] 7 o'clock.
[0:05] » Got it.
>> Is Mike showing up?
[0:10] » No.
>> Uh no.
[0:12] » Make a motion for Jonathan to sit in.
>> Yep.
[0:16] » I'll second.
>> Second. Those in favor sign by saying I.
[0:19] » I.
>> Opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries
[0:22] unanimously.
>> Okay. Um, we're here tonight to discuss
[0:27] the general government budget, the board
of education budget.
[0:31] » I don't have it.
>> Um, and the capital requests for the
[0:35] board of education.
Um, we don't need to make a decision
[0:40] tonight, but I'd like to have some kind
of general idea at least on um where
[0:47] we're heading so that um I can give as
much information to the public uh next
[0:53] week as possible.
for the public hearing.
[0:57] » Has anything changed on the capital gain
uh capital improvements? Is that list of
[1:02] things?
>> No, we have to decide what we're going
[1:05] to do on that. And also
>> I just want to get some
[1:08] » we I know the last two meetings we
weren't able to ask just things got
[1:12] crazy. Uh questions on either the
selectman's budget or the
[1:16] » Absolutely.
>> Is tonight a good night to do that?
[1:19] » Absolutely.
>> Do you want to make a motion to do that
[1:21] first?
>> We want a motion to do that. You don't
[1:23] need a motion. You can just ask
questions.
[1:25] » Okay.
>> Go ahead.
[1:28] » Oh, me first. Okay.
>> Hey, for the school board, I got a
[1:31] couple of questions as far as your
budget goes. Uh there's a couple
[1:34] different figures in there. Uh the first
one's under capital improvement
[1:39] you have. How many black popping
projects do you have going on? One or
[1:44] two? One.
>> One. All right. We got a Connecticut
[1:48] steel pulling was one of them. And that
came in at 165. Okay. And
[1:57] you're budgeted under capital
improvements for 135 for the price of
[2:02] another SIL coding on this chart you
gave us here for Lisbon Board of
[2:06] Education budget drivers.
And here
[2:10] there's one in here that says capital
improvements up to 450%
[2:14] due mainly to extensible repair of HVAC
yada yada yada and also seal coating the
[2:20] parking lot for 135.
Is that right?
[2:26] quot but also if I if I can speak um I
believe the total increase was 13 I
[2:32] thought but the seal co project in our
budget is only $10,000 because um what
[2:38] we're thinking is if the town can't fund
the full project that we put in the
[2:43] capital in the capital uh improvement
request we would do the best we
[2:48] absolutely could with $10,000 to at
least get the parking lot line um you
[2:51] can't see the parking lot spaces up at
the school so um we reduced in our
[2:56] budget in the event that it doesn't go
through this budget because something
[2:59] has to just happen for next year,
>> right? But you have for capital
[3:04] improvements, you you went from 3,000 up
to 165 to 135. Was that 135 cover the
[3:12] driveway we're talking about plus
whatever
[3:14] » that might be the variance in
yearoveryear? I don't have it in front
[3:18] of me, but if they if they budgeted you
said 3,000 last year,
[3:21] » right now,
why? Well, that would be the variance,
[3:26] right? Yeah. Why?
>> Yeah. So, so last year we only had
[3:29] $3,000 to paint one classroom. This year
we're budgeting for that one account
[3:33] with 16,500.
>> So, 3,000 was to paint the classroom.
[3:38] 3500 was to flash the roof and 10,000
for the parking lot. That's the 16,500.
[3:45] So, you're telling me that
if we
[3:51] if we funded the parking lot under the
capital,
[3:55] then you have an additional $10,000 that
you don't need in your budget.
[3:59] » Correct.
>> That's correct. You said that.
[4:01] » Okay. Okay. Uh the other question I had
here was also
[4:07] uh a replacement of a hot water heater
that requires replacement and for that
[4:12] and the fans and some other things that
came up to 187 that I think we got a
[4:17] quote of just under 10 grand for the hot
water heater.
[4:21] » Yes.
>> Right. That's a onetime deal, right?
[4:23] » Yes. Correct.
>> Why can't we move that to capital
[4:26] improvements?
>> Otherwise, you guys keep it. You're just
[4:29] going to use it over and over and over
again.
[4:32] So it isn't it's not in our board of
education budget. It's only
[4:35] » this is on the capital gain
>> okay
[4:40] that question is not
>> I got a question for you.
[4:45] » What's the reason for the business
manager getting a 16% raise?
[4:50] » So I'll explain. So we hired uh
Jonathan, our business manager. He's the
[4:56] third business manager we've had in the
last three years. He came in with little
[5:01] experience uh as a business manager in a
public school. We evaluated him for a
[5:06] year. Uh it's a shortage area in the
state. The board voted uh to
[5:13] keep him. He agreed for a three-year
contract and we would give him a $10,000
[5:17] raise.
>> $10,000 raise, but he's got 15 1485.
[5:22] That's what I'm asking. He got the
administrative raise on top of the
[5:25] $10,000
>> and the administr the administrative
[5:28] raise brought it up $1,800.
>> He brought it up Well, he So,
[5:33] » the deal was he was supposed to sign a
three-year contract for $10,000.
[5:37] » That's what I brought to the board. The
board decided that they wanted to make
[5:41] it $12,500.
>> The board
[5:43] » The board the majority of the people on
the board,
[5:46] » okay,
>> decided they want to make it 12,500.
[5:49] » Okay.
>> And then you got the 3.25 administrative
[5:52] raise. Everybody everybody else got
>> true
[5:55] » on top of that.
>> Okay.
[5:56] » So on top
>> so he's still getting paid less than
[5:58] most business managers and he does a
phenomenal job.
[6:01] » And how many people do you have in the
business department now?
[6:04] » Uh three total people but with an FTE of
1.5. We have a 02 payroll person a.3
[6:11] AP person and then I'm a 1.0.
>> And how do you do you have pay a person
[6:16] that comes in and does the audit?
>> No.
[6:18] » No.
>> No.
[6:19] » Well, not sure. Well, we pay for the
audit.
[6:23] » Oh, we we pay the audit, but we don't
That's what I'm asking. That's his
[6:27] question.
>> You don't have pay for the audit just
[6:29] like the town pays for the audit.
>> Yeah. But you don't have an internal
[6:31] auditor, but they still pay out.
>> We we Yeah. On the King and King audit.
[6:37] » Yeah. They have to pay their percentage.
>> Yeah, we pay. So, that's the reason why
[6:40] the business manager operations staff
got a 16 12% bump, too.
[6:47] » What's the reason? Right
here it says business manager operations
[6:53] staff. You're telling me it's only two
people. They got a 16.45
[7:00] bump and increase of $4,100.
>> Yeah, I have it right here.
[7:05] » Yeah,
>> I'm talking about whoever. I I
[7:09] so our our eight So Kathy Evans who's
one of our employees, she is a business
[7:14] a she does AP for the business office.
She's also uh the superintendent's
[7:17] administrative assistant. Um this year
while the board of ed was reviewing
[7:22] contracts and while they looked at her
contract, she uh her salary wasn't sort
[7:26] of commensurate with her job duties and
the meui um secretaries, other
[7:31] administrative secretaries that live
within that union. So the board had also
[7:34] voted to uh bring her salary up.
>> So that's that's what accounted for um
[7:39] that that increase.
>> Okay. That's just for one person. Yes,
[7:43] there are well there in that line in
that one account code the total account
[7:47] code that's $29,126
>> that's two people uh it's an FTE of
[7:53] just.5
um there's two people in there that one
[7:56] of the other people there received the
3.25% 25% annual raise,
[8:00] » but just I just want to make sure you
>> No, I I understand. I'm just trying to
[8:03] figure out that's split between two
people.
[8:06] » Yeah. So, yeah. So, Katherine received
that.
[8:09] » Yeah.
>> Agreed upon raise and then the other
[8:11] individual received the standard raise.
>> Okay.
[8:18] And the other thing I have a question
about is this so-called free breakfast
[8:21] program you guys got in place for
55,000. From what I understand up in
[8:27] Harford now, there's a bill on the table
for 12.5 million.
[8:30] » Correct.
>> And I asked a question last week, was it
[8:33] last week or two weeks ago? I don't
remember anymore about if we do get
[8:38] reimbured some because we do have a
program in place now. Correct.
[8:42] » You was free and reduced. Yes.
>> That's great. Great program. I'm all for
[8:46] it. But my thing is you guys are asking
for 89 I don't know $850,000 increase
[8:52] and you're throwing in another $55,000.
that could be funded by the state at
[8:56] some time.
>> Correct.
[8:57] » And we give you that money for that
program. Now, there's no reason why you
[9:01] give it back to us. You're going to
spend it somewhere else.
[9:04] » Well, yeah.
>> Not you.
[9:05] » It becomes part of
>> it becomes part of the
[9:08] » Well, it will be part if you voted in.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Part part of forever,
[9:11] » right?
>> Correct.
[9:12] » Yeah.
>> Okay. But
[9:15] I just um you did ask about the
reimbursement rate. Uh I did provide it
[9:20] two weeks ago, but um we do get a re
reimbursement from the state cuz
[9:25] expenses that are in the program now.
>> Well, I mean for that free breakfast
[9:28] like the expenses are closer to
$100,000. So we took the reimbursement
[9:32] rate
>> just to lower I just want to explain
[9:34] because I think Wayne had asked about
>> right and I I have no problem. My
[9:37] question is another $55,000 fee.
>> Yes.
[9:41] » Yeah. Okay.
>> That's all I have for the board right
[9:45] now.
question just so I'm clear. So when you
[9:51] gave the finance manager the raise, you
gave him a market adjustment.
[9:56] » Yes.
>> And then three and a half on top of
[9:58] that.
>> Yes.
[10:00] » Okay. On top of the market adjustment.
>> Yes.
[10:03] » Do you know how hard it is to find a
business manager in the state of
[10:05] Connecticut?
>> Yeah, I do.
[10:07] » Very very hard.
>> I I I was going to ask what is market
[10:09] like in your market analysis that you
came up with?
[10:11] » Almost impossible.
>> Yeah. What? What? Like compar one before
[10:15] him was so tough.
>> She didn't even have her shirt yet.
[10:18] Okay.
>> When we hired her, we hired her and and
[10:22] uh she had to get her ser while she was
working. They gave us a waiver, right?
[10:26] » Mhm.
>> Yeah.
[10:27] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[10:33] » Uh quick question. The Lyman Boak High
School, how many kids are going to be
[10:40] going to that school?
>> Six.
[10:42] » Six. All right. So, I just want to make
sure
[10:45] » one more question. Okay. I got notes all
over the place. You have to excuse me.
[10:50] » The uh Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield
um the town came back has nine employees
[10:58] in the program. Now, okay. They were
able to come back with a 30 I think it
[11:03] was a $38,000 savings.
My question I have is the school only
[11:09] came back with a $34,000 savings. And I
know you have more than nine people in
[11:14] the insurance plan.
>> We we do. Uh
[11:18] » has there ever been an audit done? I I
know you gave us a spreadsheet here,
[11:22] » but it doesn't say how many people you
have in which column, whether it's
[11:27] single, married, spouse, married. It's
it's just hard to read.
[11:32] » Yeah. So my question is did you do an
audit and see was an audit done or needs
[11:38] to be done to see how many people you
have in each particular plan so we know
[11:43] where the savings was. Where'd you come
up with only $34,000? So so we did and
[11:48] in fact we had a um they had given us an
updated quote I believe it was January
[11:53] and in that time I spoke to a broker and
he said please rerun your numbers in and
[11:57] out it because we had changes within our
plans. people went from families down to
[12:01] single etc.
>> And that led to the the the next large
[12:06] reduction that was in our original
proposal that was came in at 7.3.
[12:10] » Yeah.
>> And and then we got the final
[12:13] adjustment. So an audit has been done.
It was done in the in around the month
[12:16] of January, February. And then
>> and that was part of the 13% cut you
[12:20] guys made, right?
>> No, no, that happened the audit happened
[12:23] actually before the audit was included
within our original proposal 7.31.
[12:28] » Right. Then after we submitted our
budget, they locked in our figure for
[12:31] the next year,
>> right?
[12:32] » And in here it's um it's all so for
instance
[12:37] you can see that there's four in the
individual, three in the two person.
[12:43] » Yeah. Give me a second.
>> Yeah, it's there's no total number, but
[12:46] those are the makeup.
>> Okay.
[12:48] » Of each of
>> So you're saying you had a numbers to
[12:50] work with here?
>> Numbers.
[12:54] » Those are the numbers for each plane.
>> Where are they here?
[12:56] » That's different. That's a different
sheet. Where's the sheet?
[12:59] » I guess this one
is that one looks like this.
[13:04] » That's
hard to follow.
[13:11] » You want my glasses?
>> I got your glasses.
[13:19] » So those small numbers are how many
people you have in that current plan.
[13:23] » Correct. Yep. And the left hand side is
the current year and then the right hand
[13:27] side is the proposed cost per year.
>> Okay. That's where you came up with the
[13:32] total of what?
>> So, so that's the makeup of our premiums
[13:38] if you will,
>> right?
[13:40] » And then as it goes down to the right
hand side, lower right in the corner.
[13:44] Yes.
>> You can see that our medical dental
[13:46] minus outlet our employees will pay is
1.15 million.
[13:50] » And then uh that's the change over the
current year. And then the percentage
[13:54] that we landed on 8.0%.
So this figure uh this figure that we
[14:00] presented to you the first time around
again of the March 6 submission for our
[14:05] budget instead of 1.5 was 1.19. So it
went down.
[14:11] » Yeah. The increase that we showed. Okay.
[14:19] » Oh yeah. Yeah. And and again in in that
audit, our broker went back and went
[14:24] through all went through Anthem,
confirmed every employee that's in our
[14:28] policies, confirmed all their premiums,
you know, whether it's a single uh two
[14:33] person, right? You did a very good job.
>> Do they pay a part of that?
[14:38] » Our employees.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We have um we have two
[14:41] different plans, if you will. Um MUI
members pay a 50% premium share across
[14:46] all platforms. LEA and certain
administrators pay um two percentage
[14:51] points uh 18 or 19 depending upon
whether it's a medical admission or
[14:57] the $10,000 you guys had in last year's
budget for superintendent search is it
[15:03] there this year you guys use it
somewhere else I was told right is that
[15:08] where you put it you use it is that
where it's going to stay
[15:12] » no it was Oh sorry
>> no no
[15:15] » I better not do it So 10,000 the $10,000
was in the super
[15:20] right where superendants were correct.
>> We don't have it now.
[15:24] » No, you don't have No, but where did you
spend the 10 grand is what I'm asking?
[15:27] » Oh, probably on the special ed.
>> Probably on special ed. And that's where
[15:30] it's going to stay for this year.
>> It's not.
[15:34] » No, but it's built in the budget from
last year.
[15:36] » You go any
>> It's out It's out of this year's budget.
[15:40] » No, I know it's not in this year's
minimum amount that it went up last
[15:45] year. It's in the total role for you.
>> Yeah, I know what you're saying.
[15:48] Can I respond? No, I know what you're
saying. And actually, you're right. Um,
[15:53] anything right now, let me check on
here. Special ed is already an issue.
[15:57] So, everything is going to go towards
special ed. Okay.
[16:00] » Transfers.
We're already behind.
[16:04] Okay. Done.
[16:09] » That's all I got this time.
>> Okay. Anybody else have questions?
[16:13] » Yeah. Uh let me find them. Hold on.
>> Okay.
[16:16] » In the mountains of
>> while you're here.
[16:19] » Go ahead. You got them.
>> Um
[16:22] » yeah, just just uh for the for the
record um how is the education cost
[16:28] sharing revenue um calculated. So like
in the uh in the proposed budget figure
[16:35] here. So you have the uh for fiscal year
2627 we have the 2.9 million previously
[16:41] 2 uh 82 million. Uh how is how is that
calculated? I'm just curious.
[16:46] » The state
>> that's just the state. Okay. Um
[16:49] » that's there is a formula but they don't
pay any attention to it.
[16:53] » And they've held this amount for 5 years
now
[16:56] » since 2021.
>> 2021.
[16:59] » And that's the concern that might be
going away.
[17:01] » Exactly.
>> It's not going away. It's going down.
[17:05] going down every year.
>> Yeah, exactly. They've been trying to
[17:09] » kill it and bring it down every year.
>> Okay.
[17:12] » And transfer more of that load to the to
the cities and increase theirs.
[17:18] » Um and fortunately, our legislators have
been able to fight that.
[17:22] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[17:25] » So, what happens? I mean like if we
figured in this year for them for our
[17:31] budget that amount they don't we're not
promised that amount for this year this
[17:36] budget year. Is that correct?
>> That is what they're projecting. But
[17:43] » other words in other words just because
you're budgeting for it and we're
[17:46] budgeting for it
in the governor's
[17:49] » that's what is in the bud governor's
budget but it is not final until they
[17:54] pass that budget. Okay.
>> So, they could still make changes in it
[17:57] up until they pass that final budget.
Okay.
[18:02] » Um, another question, and maybe this is
more for the board than the board of
[18:07] education. Um in looking at the proposed
budget here, um it seems that the um all
[18:15] of the revenues incurred, so like the
education cost sharing revenues and the
[18:19] excess special education cost revenues
um come in on the town side but don't
[18:24] come in on the board of ed side.
Correct. And my question is why exactly?
[18:28] Because the board of ed is incurring all
of these expenses to earn that revenue.
[18:33] Yet when it comes budget time, it
doesn't seem like they get any credit
[18:36] for earning that revenue
>> because we fund the entire education
[18:43] budget.
>> Mhm.
[18:44] » Okay. And that comes in back to the town
from the state.
[18:48] » Okay.
>> As replacement for some of the funds
[18:50] that we're expending.
>> Okay.
[18:52] » Okay. Okay. Would it make sense when
we're talking, you know, if we're going
[18:56] to propose cuts or tell the board have
had to make cuts that we add in the net
[19:00] economic impact of those revenues since
it came from the school without the
[19:05] school expenditure. We wouldn't have
that revenue at all.
[19:10] » But the only reason we're have the
revenue is because we're spending it.
[19:14] » Right. Right. Right. No, I I I
understand that.
[19:16] » Yeah. It nets out in the end. So it's as
long as we maintain the same focus and
[19:22] the same accounting measures,
it's not going to have an impact.
[19:26] » Okay. I mean the ultimate end is going
to be the same.
[19:31] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The total the total uh
yeah surplus or or deficit. I understand
[19:36] that. But if we're making uniform cuts
on a percentage of the budget and the
[19:40] town is getting the revenue, but the
board of ed is basically has no revenue.
[19:45] We've stripped that and put it in the
town budget. Mr. Chairman, can I
[19:50] » Yes.
>> John, just to be clear,
[19:53] » everything goes into the into the
general fund,
[19:56] » right?
>> Both budgets are f are funded by the
[19:59] general fund.
>> Yeah.
[20:00] » So all monies go into one big pot.
>> Yeah.
[20:03] » And then
>> we submit our budgets. Yeah. And then
[20:07] the general fund and which includes all
of the taxpayers taxes.
[20:11] » Y
>> that's what we used to. It would make no
[20:15] sense to say, "Okay, well, here, why
don't we just give why don't we just put
[20:19] this much money that the board of
education earned for them and then this
[20:23] much money that the um board of general
government earned, put it for them? That
[20:29] that would make no sense at all. And
then where would you do? Put the
[20:32] taxpayers money someplace else and then
grant money someplace else. It all goes
[20:36] into the general fund."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I I
[20:39] understand that. Um, I'm more so
thinking from like a net economic
[20:43] impact. You know, if we're if we're
proposing cuts, if we kick back and we
[20:46] say we have to make cuts, you know, I I
don't know. I think I think my questions
[20:52] answered. I just wanted to bring that
up.
[20:55] » Okay.
Any other questions on the education
[20:58] board?
I had requested a list of employees by
[21:04] title. Did we get that?
>> Yeah, you did.
[21:07] » You got it already. You got it a week
ago. You need it again.
[21:10] » But we can do it again.
>> Yeah. I didn't see it. So
[21:12] » Oh, yeah. We said it over a week ago. We
got right on it.
[21:15] » I know. My dash for it three weeks ago.
>> Can we do what we just Do you have a
[21:19] cotton machine?
>> Yes.
[21:20] » We can give it to you right now. Okay.
>> I believe you have a new packet.
[21:24] » It was in it was in the packet that had
all the account codes. Um it's um it's
[21:31] this
and that.
[21:34] » Yep.
[21:38] Anybody
[21:41] have questions on the general government
budget?
[21:50] » No. No. Okay.
>> Okay. Get through the school building.
[21:56] » All right. Um, anybody have any thoughts
on where we should go?
[21:59] » Yeah. Wayne.
>> Yep.
[22:01] » Question I got for you.
>> Yep.
[22:03] » Was brought to my attention. It's a good
point.
[22:08] Instead of taking out $400,000
>> out of the surplus to help offset the
[22:13] cost.
>> Okay.
[22:15] » How about if we only did 300?
>> The reason why I'm asking that is for a
[22:19] simple reason is in another month or so
when we have a town meeting on the
[22:23] capital improvement plan for 27.
>> Mhm.
[22:27] » All the items that are on the capital
improvement plans, I think there's I
[22:31] don't know 10 11 of them.
>> Mhm.
[22:34] » That total $160,000.
Mhm.
[22:36] » Mhm.
>> If if we were to
[22:41] go with the one mil, ask for the instead
of 400, take out the 300 and then take
[22:47] the $118,000 in cuts.
>> Mhm.
[22:51] » And then the $100,000 that we would have
saved by not going to 400.
[22:56] » Mhm.
>> We can use that toward this number of
[23:00] 160, which is all school
>> repairs.
[23:04] » Mhm. Otherwise, we take out the 400 then
like we did last year
[23:09] » and then we still went I don't remember
what we took out last year for how much?
[23:13] » 600
>> 600 what?
[23:15] » 600,000.
>> That's right. 600,000 last year because
[23:17] of the science lab. You're right. I
forgot. Thank you, sir.
[23:20] » No, science lab was on top of that.
>> Oh, science lab was on top of that.
[23:24] » There was a lot last year.
>> We 6 622,48.
[23:28] » Yeah. I'd just like to try saving
something for the uh um
[23:34] » capital improvements
>> for capital improvements.
[23:37] » Instead of
going to 400, do 300 or do the 400 and
[23:42] drop it down to 75 mil, but still ask
for like $118,000 cut to make because a
[23:48] mill is 135,000, right?
>> Mhm. So a quarter of a mill would be 108
[23:54] roughly 108,000 savings if we dropped it
down a mill. But then you're talking a
[23:59] bigger cut. So we left it at a mill,
took 300 out instead of the four, we'd
[24:06] still be looking at about $100,000 in
cuts. And I come up with about $75,000
[24:10] in the board of eds just on simple
things.
[24:16] » Well,
that's an option absolutely that we
[24:19] have. Okay.
>> Okay. Um, late this afternoon, I did run
[24:24] a couple of more numbers.
>> Okay.
[24:26] » All right. Um,
>> that aren't in the packet that was
[24:30] » that. Right. Correct.
>> Um,
[24:34] one I looked at was um bringing up the
reserve to 500,000 that we're going to
[24:40] take out of the surplus. Okay.
Um,
[24:45] and lowering the tax
rate to 27.2, which is going to be only
[24:51] a half a mill increase.
>> 27.2.
[24:54] » 27.2.
[24:58] Okay.
>> All right. So, if you did that, you took
[25:01] out five instead of four,
>> right? That would leave a deficit of
[25:06] 155,000.
Okay.
[25:10] » Okay. which would result in 111,000 cut
to the board of ed
[25:16] um of which
um I think the general consensus on the
[25:21] board is that the breakfast shouldn't be
funded.
[25:24] » Correct.
>> And parking lot at 10 is 65.
[25:29] » Mhm.
>> Uh if we're going to do the capital
[25:31] items, they also have 5,000 in the
repair account. So that's uh that's
[25:37] 70,000. Mhm.
>> So would amount to a $41,000 cut
[25:43] » right
>> to the board.
[25:45] » And how much to that would still be to
the
[25:49] » town I'm sorry board of uh
>> the general town budget would be 43,000.
[25:56] » 43.
>> Correct.
[26:00] » Could you repeat that?
>> Just your last statement, not the whole
[26:03] thing. that the coming from the board of
ed would be 43,000
[26:08] » not the board of ed town
>> the town would be
[26:11] » yes
>> okay
[26:15] » I'm back
I
[26:18] » I do have a question by taking
additional money out of the general fund
[26:24] » um my mind goes to a couple different
places one by taking money out of the
[26:27] general fund we're leaving interest
income on the table yep
[26:30] » which is quite substantial with interest
rates being elevated compared to the
[26:33] last 20 years.
>> So, there's that piece.
[26:36] » The other piece to it is, and maybe this
is something you can answer, uh, how
[26:40] does that impact our credit rating as
far as pulling money out of cash
[26:44] reserves to fund deficits rather than
using the tax?
[26:48] » We have,
as long as we're primarily using that
[26:53] for one-time expenses,
>> Mhm.
[26:56] » Okay. will not have any effect. um we
have more than adequate um amount in
[27:03] there.
>> Okay.
[27:04] » Yeah.
>> We're our policy says we have to
[27:07] maintain 17%.
>> Okay.
[27:09] » Of the total budget in cash.
>> Yes.
[27:12] » Yeah. In reserve.
>> Yeah.
[27:14] » Uh and we're well well over that.
>> So if we're dumping 500,000,
[27:21] » what of that other than the parking lot
and the capital improvement were taken
[27:25] out of their budget? What other
are we considering it part of that or
[27:31] are we
>> That's up to them.
[27:33] » No, no, no. But
>> well, yeah, we'd have to we we determine
[27:36] what we're going to do for the capital.
>> Okay.
[27:40] » Um
>> yeah, you still got to go back and ask
[27:42] for 160,000 out of that, right? So, if
you take off 100 out, which is a great
[27:46] idea, Wayne, don't get me wrong. I like
the idea. Lower the mill rate, the
[27:49] happier I am,
>> right? But if you're going to if you're
[27:52] going to do that and you're going to
take out 500 instead of the four, then
[27:55] you're still looking at another 159 on
top of that. Correct.
[27:58] » You're you're looking at a if you lower
tax rate by half a mill.
[28:03] » Yeah.
>> Okay. And add another 100,000.
[28:05] » No, we're raising it half a mill.
>> No. Yeah, you're raising a half a mill,
[28:09] but a half a mill less than 1 mill.
>> Right. Um we would have a deficit of
[28:17] 155,000.
Okay. We would that would be split
[28:22] 111,000 to the board of ed. Correct.
43,000 to the board.
[28:25] » Correct. Okay.
>> Okay.
[28:27] » Okay.
>> Out of the 111.
[28:30] » The breakfast is 55.
>> Yep.
[28:32] » The parking lot is 10.
>> Yep.
[28:34] » Uh the repairs to the kitchen equipment
y
[28:37] » is another five.
>> Yep.
[28:38] » So that's 70.
>> Yep.
[28:41] » Okay. So that leaves a difference of
41,000
[28:44] » that they got to figure out.
>> Yes. which on a $13 million BZ budget,
[28:48] they shouldn't have a problem. Problem I
got is Tommy's budget. You're talking
[28:50] almost cutting it by 25%.
>> Because he's only asking for what? Two
[28:57] 211,
>> right?
[28:59] » And you're you're asking to cut 43,000
out of that. That's about 25% of the
[29:03] budget you're asking.
[29:12] Does it have to be 500? Could it be like
450?
[29:15] » Could be anything we want.
>> Oh, yeah. I know. I'm just asking. I You
[29:18] know.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[29:24] » Yeah. I mean, that's And again, we do
not have to make a decision tonight.
[29:28] » No, but still cut 25% out of somebody's
budget. Quite a bit of chunk. I mean, if
[29:33] you look at asking the board ahead to
cut 111,000 out of a $13 million budget,
[29:37] what's that percentage of that budget
being? Didn't that come out to like um
[29:43] » the the an equivalent of the board of ed
paying 71.7%
[29:48] and this budget town only paying 28.
>> Yeah, that's what he's figured. Yeah.
[29:53] » But it's not 28% of the bud of their
budget. It's 28% of their of the cut.
[30:00] » Correct.
>> Right.
[30:01] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Yes. Okay.
[30:05] » And that's what those numbers reflect
the 40.
[30:08] » It it reflects
>> it reflects that percentage of the
[30:13] deficit.
>> Okay.
[30:15] » Okay.
>> What is the thing we had last week about
[30:19] how much it affects the property tax
[30:27] looking for it or add it?
that it had it had based on this
[30:34] some courthouse or something.
>> Well,
[30:39] I'm not concerned with Mr.
>> Chairman. I can help you here. So,
[30:44] » we have the spreadsheet, your
spreadsheet.
[30:46] » Yep.
>> And we changed the numbers here. So, if
[30:48] we went with 27.22, 22, right? Which
would be a half a mill increase and a
[30:53] $450,000
uh reduction in the CNR. You there would
[30:59] be a cut of 140 235 for the board of ed
and 57307 for the town.
[31:07] » Mhm.
[31:15] » Another piece of information.
[31:19] So, what we need to accomplish tonight
in preparation for the public
[31:26] um meeting
>> Mhm.
[31:28] » is to decide if we're going to present
the budgets as they've been presented to
[31:33] us.
>> Mhm.
[31:36] » Or if we think we're going to recommend
a change.
[31:41] » Okay. But we don't have to leave.
>> Well, you should have an idea what the
[31:45] change is going to be. You ask that
Monday night. really want to you really
[31:49] want to take Monday night to give the
people this is this is what we're
[31:52] thinking. This is where we want to go.
>> We still have the option to change it.
[31:56] » I mean the whole point of the public
hearing is the people can come out and
[32:00] speak
>> uh and you know they make their case
[32:04] » then we come back at the next meeting
and decide what the final outcome is
[32:08] going to be.
>> Last year we had a mill increase. The
[32:11] year before we had a mill increase and
if we're Wayne's idea of a half a mill
[32:16] is a good idea, you're you're looking at
with the economy the way it is today,
[32:20] that's still going to be a good hit on
some people, especially in the economy
[32:24] now. I was I've been telling people when
my kids were in school here years ago,
[32:29] there was 600 kids in the school. We're
down to 400 now. That's telling me we
[32:33] still got more houses but less kids
which means you have a lot more
[32:36] households now with fixed incomes
and last thing I want to do is the cost
[32:43] of everything today market didn't burden
them with a big tax increase
[32:49] » where it can be taken care of how much
>> per household did you find it
[32:53] » um that
>> I looked up the median income and it's
[32:57] well below the average to live
comfortably in the state
[33:01] » in the state. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that's and that's offset.
[33:03] That's it's like 90 something.
>> Do we know uh compared to the median for
[33:07] the county? Because I mean the median
for the state's also going to include
[33:11] Fairfield County.
>> That is a very different.
[33:14] » But when you look at incomes in
Fairfield County,
[33:17] » yeah,
>> they're relatively low because those
[33:19] people aren't reporting incomes.
>> They're reporting their W2 income just
[33:23] because they pay a lower income tax on
that portion. Then they pay the 30% on
[33:28] whatever is left of their business. So
that we can ignore it. People here, if
[33:33] you have someone that has a high salary
position and they're making 300,000,
[33:37] that's offsetting the people making
30,000.
[33:39] » Y
>> and we will have people here making
[33:41] 30,000 working in the warehouse.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[33:44] » And their kids are here, right?
>> And they're going to struggle.
[33:46] » Understood.
>> That number is getting offset by the
[33:49] high income if we have a doctor in the
town.
[33:51] » Yeah.
>> We don't have too many
[33:54] » I'm sure we do have some, but we don't
have any crazy business owners here that
[33:57] are making 10 million a year. Yeah.
>> 150,000 income just to say they are.
[34:03] » Um,
>> do we know what the average
[34:05] » Well, that that's the nice thing with
the median is it reduces both ends of
[34:08] the spectrum.
>> We're looking at something. So, I'm
[34:11] worried that we have we could have 10
homes in this town that are making a
[34:18] huge amount
>> and it's hiding the fact that we could
[34:21] have, you know, a third of the
population get broken if we increase the
[34:26] mill rate by too much. and we don't know
cuz I just know the middle the average.
[34:30] » So that's what I'm worried about cuz the
home values are increased right now.
[34:34] » Uh so I'm kind of concerned and it's not
so much the reality is we're blindsiding
[34:40] people because state laws are being
passed forcing you guys to increase your
[34:44] costs and no one's telling anyone.
>> The problem's at the state level and now
[34:50] we have to clean it up and people are
going to be hurting. some work. It's
[34:53] either be you guys
>> not having enough money to do what
[34:56] you're legally required to do, the town
losing 25% of their budget and not be
[35:02] able to clean up the town.
>> It's not 25. It's
[35:05] » well, whatever close to 15 or 16%.
>> 15 or 16 still 15 or 16. It's still
[35:10] going to hurt everyone, but
>> but that's only of the increase.
[35:13] » My my my question would be how are we
going to fund that? We know what's going
[35:16] to happen. How are we going to fund
that? And in my opinion, I'm not a huge
[35:19] fan of taking it out of the general fund
to do that. I would rather see some mill
[35:24] rate increase and get ahead of it than
not. That's just
[35:30] » Well, how much of a mill increase would
you consider? A half, a one, a two, a
[35:34] three? I mean,
>> I found the list.
[35:38] » A half a mill. I don't think it's going
to get
[35:39] » This is This is what um Wayne gave us
last week that has
[35:44] » We got an updated one
>> with the with the home cost.
[35:48] » Oh, not with the home cost.
>> Okay. So, this has if your assessed
[35:51] value of your home is we'll say 300,000
what the tax currently is. And if the if
[35:58] it goes up if it goes up one mil is what
we're talking about, right?
[36:03] » You can look there. It' be 27.2
>> 27.7
[36:07] » 20 Yeah. 27.5
>> for a $300,000 house, it's going to go
[36:13] $25 tax assessment on the house. So if
you got a $300,000,
[36:16] » if we go a half a mill
different mills
[36:20] and what your new bill would be
>> well increase, not what Yeah, you're
[36:24] right.
>> I mean, I know it's still $25 a month,
[36:27] but it's not
>> No, it's not
[36:29] » $200, right?
>> Exactly.
[36:32] » As soon as you just repeat that again
because a lot of people were talking.
[36:35] » So what did you say again? What would it
go up from?
[36:38] » So, if we went up one mil point,
>> uh, from from what it is currently, a
[36:44] person who has a $300,000 assessed value
of their house,
[36:49] » it their tax would go up $25 a month.
>> Oh. Mhm.
[36:55] » Yeah. Okay.
That's all.
[37:11] I mean, I I personally like the the
proposal of 28 and a half. I know that's
[37:17] a jump in the mill rate, but we're not
touching the general fund. And then we
[37:20] can go back with cuts and it's only
40,000 in cuts.
[37:25] that we have to go back with
[37:30] because I know I I know this town we
historically have been on the cheaper
[37:35] side of property taxes. You know, if you
look at our neighbor Norwich,
[37:39] » they're
cheap.
[37:41] » Yeah. Yeah. No, of course not. But
that's my point. We're still relatively
[37:44] significantly cheaper. And it's like,
you know, Norwich is sitting here having
[37:49] the same conversation we're having.
Grizzled's having the same conversation
[37:52] we're having. They're all having the
same conversation. And it's who's going
[37:55] to who's going to bear the cost and is
it going to be now or later? And I think
[37:59] if we bleed our general fund and keep
doing that, I don't see the cost of
[38:04] living getting any better anytime soon.
And that's expert forecasts. Those
[38:08] aren't those aren't my madeup numbers,
you know. I I read this stuff all all
[38:13] day for a living, you know, and and the
experts don't see an end in sight for
[38:17] the inflation picture, at least for the
next year, you know. So building in some
[38:21] sort of buffer in case stuff does get
crazy.
[38:24] » No, we're reselling this year.
>> Yeah.
[38:28] » So now next year we'll have taxes not
>> we'll be basalation.
[38:34] » Wayne either way you look at it whether
it's 27.2 a half a mill like you're
[38:39] talking about which is a good idea
>> or we're looking at a 1 mil.
[38:43] » Yep. But if we did the one mill, if we
only took out 300 and we did the half
[38:48] the mill and we took out 500, that's
$200,000 in the out of the surplus
[38:51] between the difference. Bottom line is
still the cuts made by the board of ed
[38:56] and the board of selectmen are going to
be roughly the same give or take a few
[39:00] $2,000.
>> Correct. So I think what we really got
[39:04] to look at, do we want to take out
take out only 300 or take out 500 and
[39:10] have a half a mill especially after
raises we've had
[39:16] » in increases I mean for the mill rate
[39:22] » I mean I think one mill either way
they're going to work either way there's
[39:25] going to be there's going to be some
form of cuts made.
[39:28] » Mhm.
But I mean, if we do if we do the lower
[39:32] amount of capital gains, like you said,
it gives us the money to do the capital
[39:37] gains the school needs out of, you know,
additionally to that. And, you know,
[39:46] I mean, maybe $25 a month will hurt some
people, but do they have a $300,000
[39:51] house? I don't know. You know,
>> could tell you.
[39:54] » I could tell you. Do we do we know what
the median not the average because the
[39:57] average is skewed by you know the new
that is the median is 300,000.
[40:01] » No no no median income is around 90
something thousand.
[40:06] » Okay. So that that slices the outliers
on the low end and on the high end. It's
[40:09] not
>> and the real estate market if it
[40:12] crashes.
>> I know my house with zero improvements
[40:14] has gone up in value by over $100,000 in
three years. So we'll see
[40:19] » comes out. That's why I don't think
you're not really looking at $300,000
[40:23] houses that you think of. They're really
around 1,000 square ft just you have a
[40:27] couple bedrooms. Um,
but the values are high because the
[40:34] » And the other thing you have to think
about is with a 28 if you went to 28 and
[40:38] went up uh what 2 mills
>> is whether you can get it through a
[40:43] town,
>> which I don't.
[40:46] » Yeah.
[40:49] » We've lived this stream before.
>> Oh yeah.
[40:52] I don't want to pay more taxes. I'm just
saying.
[40:54] » No, I'm just saying, you know, can't get
if you go to 28 and bring it through
[41:00] town. We could be doing multiple
referendums.
[41:03] » Well,
[41:07] we can always ask for the cuts, present
it that way, and then we can decide if
[41:11] what we want to do with the $200,000.
We either
[41:15] » take an extra 100 out or leave a 100.
>> Mhm.
[41:18] » And that'll make the difference between
a half a mill and a whole mill. Well, if
[41:21] we do what you suggest is leave the uh
proposed 1 mil increase, reduce the uh
[41:31] surplus from 400 to use to 300,000.
>> Mhm.
[41:36] » Would be a deficit of 118,032.
>> Correct.
[41:41] » Um which would account for uh 84,000 to
the board of ed and 33,000 to the town.
[41:50] Wayne, why why do we have to do it that
way?
[41:53] » We don't.
>> Then why don't we say
[41:58] you're talking 118? Why don't we just
tell the board to add 100,000 and
[42:02] selectman's budget 18?
>> You can.
[42:05] » Okay.
>> I mean, that's Yeah.
[42:09] You know, because I think
if we're going to fund some of this
[42:13] other stuff through the capital, um
that's 70,000 out of there. So they only
[42:17] got to come up with $30,000 more out of
a $13 million budget.
[42:21] » Correct.
>> Then Tommy's budget we got to they got
[42:25] to figure out
>> what' you say 20
[42:28] » 18,000 we got to figure out his budget.
>> Yep.
[42:44] » Do you want to make that motion?
Oh boy. Oh boy.
[42:49] » He's like, "What did I say? I didn't do
it."
[42:52] » Well, be honest with you. I already for
the doing the 300,000.
[42:56] » Okay.
>> One.
[42:59] » Okay.
>> Can I ask a question?
[43:01] » Yeah.
>> I I've gone through the board of
[43:03] selectman's budget and I can't really
find anything where you can cut 18 where
[43:08] I could cut 15,000, never mind 18. I
don't know if I'm missing something.
[43:13] » No, you're It's very tight budget.
>> It's very tight. that I I I really can't
[43:17] see cutting anything out of it.
Otherwise, I believe me, I'd be saying
[43:20] it tonight.
>> Yeah. No, I I
[43:24] » it seems like there's some things though
that are not totally utilized. We can't
[43:30] find out. And I don't know if that
matters, but I know we move money around
[43:35] if we need to, but it seemed like there
was some things that were budgeted, you
[43:40] know, a lot over what they spent last
year, not just a small amount over um
[43:56] we don't really have to do
the 300,000 exactly.
[44:01] » No. So, how about if I make a motion?
You already got a motion on the table.
[44:05] » Yeah, I put a motion on.
>> Yeah. And I I I
[44:09] would prefer the motions are worded to
propose to the public hearing.
[44:16] » Okay.
>> This Okay.
[44:18] » So, that we present this option to the
>> correct. Correct.
[44:23] » Okay.
>> You you gave it
[44:25] » Oh, okay. Thanks. I got so many of them.
>> I know, right?
[44:28] » Yes. We could do
>> We could do 318 and nothing,
[44:32] » right?
>> Yes.
[44:34] » Well, I can't make a motion because
you're you
[44:39] » say was
>> what he's proposing is that we take
[44:42] 318,000 out of the surplus.
>> Huh.
[44:46] » And then $100,000
pulling money out of
[44:50] » Well, no.
We just still have to pull the 300.
[44:55] » Yeah. But it's better than 400.
>> Yeah. It's better than 400. Yeah.
[44:58] » Yeah. What if we did a mill and a half
>> and pulled?
[45:01] » Yeah. But a mill, you know what that's
going to do to people?
[45:04] » I mean, a mill is 25.
>> No, a mill is $435,000. We're going to
[45:07] come up with each mill.
>> So, I know what you're saying. You're
[45:12] breaking on a monthly payment basis,
right? A mill and a half. What does that
[45:15] do for the for a $300,000 house?
>> Do we know what the median house
[45:20] » household assessed value is in the in
the in the town?
[45:23] » Do you have an assessed value?
>> The median assessed value? Do do you
[45:27] have that?
>> I have assessed value properties like
[45:30] like a median assessment.
>> Can you try to speak?
[45:33] » Maybe I'll figure out
>> the green would be close.
[45:36] » Been up since like 4 a.m. I'll do my
best.
[45:42] » Mr. Chairman,
[45:49] a mill right now is 466,000.
>> 466. I knew it was 45. And then how much
[45:57] is 66,000?
[46:00] » No. Mill is
>> no it currently. Yes.
[46:05] » 474.
>> But based on the new assessment it's
[46:09] 474086.
>> But right now it's 47.
[46:13] » Yeah. Currently today. Yes.
>> I heard somebody say it's 43.
[46:16] » I I I'm using last year's mill rate.
>> Well, we've had so many different
[46:22] figures, Tom.
>> Yeah.
[46:24] They just had income. So you see an
average on here.
[46:29] » It just has averages.
>> It just had averages. It had the median
[46:33] income, but not the household value.
>> Gotcha.
[46:36] » Yeah. And the assessed value is more so
what what I'm after, you know, because
[46:38] you can have a $600,000 house in a new
development, but it's only going to
[46:42] assess at maybe 350 for
>> It's going to be it's going to be
[46:46] something very different. here where
maybe
[46:52] I mean
>> you want that one back.
[46:55] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Just just so I get an idea.
[46:58] » Yeah. No problem. I'm just trying to
figure out make sure you got the right
[47:00] color.
>> Yeah. Thanks.
[47:07] I mean, if if the median assessed value,
I'm just throwing a number out here, was
[47:11] 200,000 or even $250,000, we're looking
at $21 a monthish.
[47:16] Nobody's house is 200,000
>> but assessed with the assessed value not
[47:20] the market value the assessed value you
know because like I said you could have
[47:24] a half million dollar house that
assesses at 300
[47:27] » so the amount of houses that are sitting
at a half a million that are assessing
[47:30] at 300 I don't know that there's a lot I
know there's a lot because the real
[47:35] estate's gone
>> yeah but your assessed value should be
[47:37] 70% of market value at the time the
assessment was done
[47:41] » right okay
what was the last time the assessment
[47:45] was done
>> it happened 5 years ago. Yeah, we do it
[47:47] every five. Half the town.
>> There's a current one being done now
[47:50] that'll reflect in next year's budget.
Not the one not the one following the
[47:54] budget.
>> Correct. Understood.
[47:56] » But that's going to be an automatic
increase in people's taxes. Probably
[48:00] much bigger than our one.
>> Maybe not.
[48:04] » Yeah. I mean, if real estate if real
estate prices plummet, then yeah, that's
[48:07] a different conversation. But they're
not plummeted down
[48:09] » because if they plummet next year, it's
not going to do anybody any good cuz
[48:12] that's going to stand for 5 years.
>> Correct. even after now.
[48:16] » Yeah. So, if we're going
>> done,
[48:17] » if we're going if we're going off of 5
years ago, though, right? This was this
[48:20] was before, you know, the money supply
went crazy. The real estate market went
[48:25] crazy. So, the assessed values, we're
dealing with 5 years assessed values.
[48:28] We're not dealing with this year's
assessed values.
[48:30] » Yeah. Cuz when I bought my house, it was
it was worth a lot less. It was probably
[48:33] kind of closer to that.
>> Yeah.
[48:35] » And that's it's gone up, you know,
100,000 in market values or probably
[48:39] 70,000
>> in a SAS value.
[48:41] » Yeah. which this year it's still going
to be a lot higher.
[48:45] » Yeah.
>> Than what it was when I bought the
[48:46] place.
>> But let's put it this way.
[48:50] » If everybody's assessed value doubles,
okay, then there should be no impact on
[48:57] their taxes.
>> Why?
[49:00] » Because everybody went up by double.
>> Uhhuh.
[49:04] » Okay.
>> But
[49:06] » so the mill the mill rate goes down.
>> It balances out. what controls I
[49:12] understand that but if we already set
this in budget
[49:15] » in motion yes with the 1 mil increase
and then
[49:20] » we'll get the assessed value next year
this budget no so it'll be so next year
[49:25] it'll be the following year's budget
>> correct this
[49:28] » okay so that that number the uh the
grand list number would jump is what
[49:33] you're saying correct the grand list is
the sum of all assessed property if if
[49:38] it doubled your mill rate would drop in
half So it balances out maybe a couple
[49:42] dollars.
>> What's important is
[49:45] » the two budgets.
>> Yeah. Okay. All the assessment does is
[49:51] if somebody all of a sudden put a double
the size of their house.
[49:56] » Okay. Then their assessment is going to
go up.
[49:58] » Sure.
>> Okay. It's going to go up in out of
[50:01] proportion to the rest of the town.
Correct.
[50:03] » Okay. They'll be paying more taxes
because of the addition they go on.
[50:06] which makes
>> the biggest issue we have is 5 years ago
[50:11] the commercial property went way down in
their assessment and the houses went up.
[50:17] So we had an increase in the house
houses carrying more the tax load. 5
[50:22] years before that
the commercial property was
[50:26] significantly more than the housing. So
we were able to actually reduce a mill
[50:31] or I forget exactly what it was. We did
have a mill increase decrease because of
[50:36] that. Okay.
Um
[50:40] you know we actually saw a net tax
decrease.
[50:44] So it all depends on what that
assessment comes out the value of the
[50:48] commercial to the residential to
individual areas of town.
[50:52] » Mhm.
>> Okay.
[50:58] » All right. So there's a motion on the
floor. Was there a second?
[51:01] » What was the motion? Yeah, I'd like
>> I believe it was to go with one mil and
[51:07] a 300
reduction uh use of the surplus
[51:13] 300,000 out of the surplus 1 mil
increase.
[51:17] » I'll second it.
>> Okay. And that is to propose to the
[51:21] public hearing.
>> Correct.
[51:24] » Any discussion?
>> Yeah.
[51:26] » Go ahead. Uh, what are you going to do
as far as getting to that making up that
[51:31] $118,000?
>> That's the next part we have to discuss.
[51:35] » Is that tonight or after the meeting
Monday?
[51:37] » I would Why I would do it tonight so we
have something to propose?
[51:40] » That's fine.
>> Okay.
[51:45] » All right.
>> Yep.
[51:47] » Good question.
>> Yes. I have two packets. How much is in
[51:50] the surplus?
>> One
[51:53] one and a half
>> 4.2
[51:56] two million I believe.
>> Yeah.
[51:58] » Of which we have to keep 17%.
>> Right. Yeah.
[52:02] » Okay.
>> Um that acronym that I saw in one of the
[52:06] financial statements for the town. What
was that? It was a large number.
[52:09] » I did not look that up.
>> Um
[52:12] » was in the financial statements in the
audit.
[52:15] » I don't remember. It came in an email to
everyone. I was reading through it.
[52:20] Switch back to the other email.
So
[52:24] » you said there's four million on the
cash
[52:28] » over four
>> over
[52:29] » but 17% would be what 1.5 we figured 1.1
we got to keep we got to keep
[52:37] » total budget is
>> 300,000 of the 4 million 7% of our
[52:43] » 2.5
[52:46] » we we run it we run it that we got three
years until we're right on 17% %
[52:52] » I would
>> GF invest in Investment.
[52:57] » Huh?
>> We cannot hear you.
[52:59] » That's the general fund investment
insurance that's being generated.
[53:03] » Oh, I was just asking what an acronym
was. It's not important.
[53:06] » General fund investment interest.
>> Got it.
[53:09] » Yeah.
>> And that's what you brought up. We keep
[53:12] that in there. We get more interest
because we have it.
[53:14] » Correct. Got it.
>> Correct. Well, my my other my other
[53:18] thing is, you know, if uh if we go down
if we have 4 million in there and we
[53:21] have 300,000 that we're pulling out,
we're reducing it by seven and a seven
[53:26] and a half%.
>> So, we do that for three-ish years
[53:30] » each year, you know, for let's say, you
know, assessed value stay the same,
[53:34] right? Whatever. Like, cuz we're we're
hypothesizing. It's like we could only
[53:37] do that for a couple years, a few years,
and then we're back to the drawing board
[53:41] and we've got increased mill rates. So,
it's do we do it now? Do we do a little
[53:44] bit now? Do we do more than a bid now?
Like more than 1 mil now.
[53:48] » Or do we tell them to figure it out?
>> I think I think the answer is both.
[53:52] » The firehouse starting to drop off.
>> Yeah.
[53:55] » Firehouse starts to drop off.
>> Um
[54:00] next year there's a Well, it's dropping
every year.
[54:02] » Okay.
>> It's an advertising bond, correct? It's
[54:04] not.
>> So, there is a uh I think a hundred and
[54:09] something thousand drop next year.
>> Plus, we lose the fire truck.
[54:13] » The fire truck goes away, right?
>> Yes. Yeah, the debt. The budget has the
[54:16] last payment on the fire truck.
>> The debt on the fire truck.
[54:20] » Yes.
>> Yeah.
[54:22] » But that doesn't mean there's a new fire
truck around the corner.
[54:24] » Well, I was just going to say ambulance.
>> I know
[54:28] » the ambulances are the ambulance is
being taken out of L. Yeah,
[54:32] » they're they're paying for that
themselves. I'm not
[54:35] » You're right.
>> Not misunderstanding.
[54:37] » Correct.
>> That requested budget went up quite a
[54:40] bit, too.
>> It's been up there since they
[54:44] » No. No, no, it went up what 310 it was
this year and it was like 288. So, I
[54:50] don't know.
>> And that
[54:52] » that was one of them that I noticed went
up quite a bit.
[54:54] » Is that something where there's like
there I think it was some sort of salary
[55:00] issue as with hiring someone for the
fire department EMT or something where
[55:05] some ambulance was supposed to get paid
for in certain amounts or we were going
[55:08] to pay a salary or it's going to be
shared and now it's all in town.
[55:12] » Yep.
Yes. Yes. So, the original proposal was
[55:17] that
um the L, which is the ambulance
[55:21] service, was going to contribute uh
$100,000
[55:25] to the operation.
>> Mhm.
[55:28] » Okay. Um that never occurred.
>> All right.
[55:34] » The money that they bring in, they're
not turning back into the town they're
[55:38] spending.
>> They purchased a new ambulance.
[55:41] » Mhm. So they're paying for that. I mean,
some of the income that they got coming
[55:45] in plus the money that we get them
>> plus supplies for anyway. I think two
[55:48] years ago, what was it? 6070,000
just for the stretcher.
[55:52] » Just for a stretcher.
>> Just for the stretcher.
[55:55] » Y.
>> So it's not cheap.
[55:58] » Um, so that does that run as a business
or does it run like the board of ed? We
[56:02] give them money, they decide what to do
with it.
[56:03] » Business.
>> So that
[56:07] worries them stay in it.
>> Mhm. It's like monitoring it.
[56:11] » Well, we give them money.
>> Yeah. If we control the amount we give
[56:15] them.
>> Yeah.
[56:16] » Right. But they the money they make,
they keep. That's what furnishes the new
[56:20] ambulance, new equipment,
>> things like that.
[56:23] » But that was the money. That's that
100,000 people talking about.
[56:27] » So, we're still paying.
>> Yes.
[56:29] » Oh, yeah. for
>> every town pays
[56:32] » for their what their
>> we give them money and they they act
[56:38] like just a heavily subsidized business.
>> Mhm.
[56:42] » Why are we doing that?
>> That is
[56:47] » that's like if you guys gave me money
for my business, great. Now that I'm
[56:50] doing well, keep giving me money. I'm
going to keep buying more stuff. But
[56:54] it's a little different
>> because you know we do have a
[56:58] responsibility to make sure that there's
medical services available to the
[57:02] » Oh, I'm not saying get rid of it. I'm
saying
[57:05] » but would it be different? But it would
would it be different on the town's
[57:11] » you know we're talking about the the
board of ed having taking capital gains
[57:15] out of their budget and and paying for
those things separate. I know we've had
[57:19] this conversation before about
ambulances and fire trucks and
[57:23] everything like if it's a separate LLC,
what happen who owns what, you know, I
[57:29] mean, would those things make sense to
take out of the general budget? And
[57:34] would it be better on our on our ledgers
to have it as a capital gains
[57:41] um expense rather than putting it into
the budget?
[57:45] I
believe that they should be coming to us
[57:49] and having that discussion before they
buy an ambulance.
[57:54] » And anytime there's anything over a
certain amount of money, what is that?
[57:56] 25,000. I think it just went up 5 grand.
It has to go to a town meeting.
[58:01] » So if they wanted to buy a new fire
truck, I assume they have to come to the
[58:04] town, right? No.
>> No.
[58:05] » No.
>> That's what we're talking about. Right.
[58:07] » The town is funding it. Yes.
>> Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. If
[58:11] they came and said, "Hey, we want
>> anything that we're going to allocate
[58:14] money for over the certain amounts."
>> Yes. Has to come to town. Has to go to a
[58:19] town meeting depending on the amount.
>> Most of the time the town will have
[58:21] bondage.
>> Yes.
[58:22] » Yeah. So, the town would have a say in
it.
[58:25] » Yes. But what I'm asking is from what
Jonathan's been saying about, you know,
[58:31] how it looks on, you know, our credit
and how it looks on, you know, us taking
[58:36] money from our savings to pay our
regular bills versus taking money from
[58:41] our savings to buy a fire truck or to
put a new roof on something. Like, does
[58:45] is that better for our our credit
rating?
[58:49] » That's what I'm asking.
>> Yes.
[58:53] to use it for capital expenses is always
better.
[58:58] » So, ch command at the fire department,
at what point does it switch to Lisbon
[59:03] emergency response? Is that just EMTs?
>> Yes, the ambulance services emergency
[59:08] response. Everything else is under the
fire department.
[59:11] » Right.
>> So, cuz it it seems like the town is
[59:15] investing in a business and then if that
business has a good return, the town
[59:19] doesn't have any shares it can then sell
or sell to do.
[59:22] » Right. Right.
>> It's that seems like a mistake. I'm not
[59:26] saying we get rid of it, but if they
bring back an extra $60,000 that should
[59:31] go in the general fund, like they're
still getting paid for it. They're
[59:34] getting their salaries. Their equipment
gets paid for. They they get everything
[59:37] they need.
>> They get help financially from the town
[59:39] whenever they need it.
>> It's like the American Ambulance is a
[59:44] business.
>> Yes.
[59:46] » That's not a business.
>> That's it's basically a government
[59:49] entity. That's that's how it should get
changed today. And that would could help
[59:53] the budget cuz if they're buying
something they don't really need, but
[59:55] it's under 25,000, there's no real
oversight. They could spend $24,000 on
[1:00:00] something shiny.
>> They don't have to they can spend
[1:00:05] 150,000
>> without bid or anything.
[1:00:09] » Yeah.
>> Cuz they're separate organization that
[1:00:11] we're giving a grant to.
>> Yeah, that's the difference.
[1:00:15] » Okay.
>> So, why don't we get rid of it? And
[1:00:19] » what are you going to replace it with?
>> EMTs and ambulances that work for the
[1:00:23] town.
>> That's right. I don't understand. If
[1:00:27] they're if they're being funded by the
town, why?
[1:00:30] » No, the LA le is not being funded by the
town. What they get paid? They're
[1:00:34] earning that through the
>> most of it. They're earning out of the
[1:00:37] revenue they're generating from medical
calls.
[1:00:39] » All right.
>> And we're supplementing it.
[1:00:42] » Supplement. They're just they're running
out of the fire department. Right.
[1:00:45] » They're being paid.
>> They're just being paid hourly.
[1:00:48] » Yes.
>> That's it.
[1:00:49] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:00:51] » And if they have enough money that they
need a new ambulance like I think 2
[1:00:54] years ago or something, they bought a
brand new ambulance
[1:00:57] » and then like I said, they got to
furnish the I think the ambulance was
[1:00:59] what 400,000.
>> Yeah. I missed.
[1:01:01] » So then it was another 200 furnish. Like
I said, just a stretcher alone was over
[1:01:06] 50 grand.
>> Yeah. But it's not like through the fire
[1:01:11] department, we just separate this thing.
It is its own separate business. Some
[1:01:14] person owns it somewhere. We're just
giving them funding.
[1:01:18] » It's a nonprofit,
>> right, that makes profit.
[1:01:21] » Yeah. Well,
>> all nonprofits want to make
[1:01:23] » We We get a We get a quarterly report
from them.
[1:01:26] » Yeah.
>> So, they tell us exactly what they're
[1:01:28] making,
>> right?
[1:01:29] » And it hasn't been a lot.
>> No.
[1:01:31] » You know, they're to the plus
>> 5 $10,000.
[1:01:35] » Yeah. So, it's not much, but it's
basically just
[1:01:37] » is it pretty much just EMTs. It's an
organization setup that's separate, but
[1:01:41] there's no real It's the
>> Can I take Let me give you the history
[1:01:47] on this and why this happened.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:50] » Um
>> when this first started,
[1:01:53] » um we were we were all we were all
volunteers. The whole everything was all
[1:01:57] volunteers.
>> Um
[1:02:00] whenever we would pick up a patient to
transport them to the hospital, there's
[1:02:05] two categories, ALS and BLS. basic life
support and ALS which is advanced life
[1:02:11] support we have to call for a medic out
of Baptist hospital medics charge.
[1:02:18] » Yeah.
>> So what they would do is they would they
[1:02:21] would come on board our ambulance by
protocol and they would go and they
[1:02:25] would bill that patient. The problem is
is that Medicare would not pay for the
[1:02:32] ALS service because Lisbon Fire
Department was not a billing service. So
[1:02:37] we had to change the way we operate and
become a billing service.
[1:02:41] » So you basically made a billable service
to do this
[1:02:43] » right that we're a billing serable
service so that Medicare Medicare
[1:02:49] insurance would pay these bills.
>> Yeah.
[1:02:51] » I don't know how much you know how much
Medicare or any insurance company
[1:02:54] actually pays. Yes. Well, that's right.
It was an organizational thing to get
[1:02:59] that.
>> Yes.
[1:03:00] » Yeah, that makes more sense.
>> And the the option was to turn it over
[1:03:05] to American Ambulance, which would delay
the response time because they'd be
[1:03:10] coming out of Norwich.
>> Yeah.
[1:03:12] » Instead of, you know, being local.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, that makes sense. It's
[1:03:17] pretty much
>> it's a business, but it's not really
[1:03:19] » All right. Any other discussion on the
motion? And the motion was
[1:03:24] » to increase 300 million
>> 300,000 out of the surplus.
[1:03:29] » And I second it.
>> Yes.
[1:03:33] » And that is the recommendation to the
public hearing.
[1:03:36] » Correct.
>> Those in favor sign I
[1:03:40] » opposed. I Okay.
Uh motion passes 51.
[1:03:48] » 42.
>> Oh 42. 42.
[1:03:51] Okay. Now, what do you want to do with
the $118,000
[1:03:56] deficit?
[1:04:01] » I'll make a motion to take the 118 out
of the board of ed budget being we've
[1:04:05] already found 80,000.
>> I second.
[1:04:09] » Can Can I Can I
>> Yeah. Where where's the Just so I'm on
[1:04:13] the same page and also I think the
public would like to know as well. um
[1:04:18] the 80,000 on the board of eds with
>> 55,000 for the free breakfastes and then
[1:04:22] the rest of it was out of capital gains
>> 55
[1:04:25] » the capital improvements
>> capital improvements I'm sorry they're
[1:04:28] going to get them anyway
>> so the capital improvements those are
[1:04:30] the one time they're talking yeah
they're going to come over to
[1:04:33] » so that's that's the painting of the
lines that's the painting the new room
[1:04:36] that's also
>> No no no new room to be painted they
[1:04:39] painted that last year
>> painted that last year
[1:04:42] » if I could touch base on that 300 the
3,000 to paint the rooms is sort of
[1:04:47] annual because we do have to paint 50
rooms. So every year we try to pay 32 as
[1:04:52] Brian.
>> Okay.
[1:04:53] » Um 10,000 absolutely is in the board of
education budget and if the other
[1:04:59] projects funded through the capital side
absolutely can come out but that's the
[1:05:04] only capital improvement project
>> in the board of ed budget that is also
[1:05:08] on that uh capital improvement. That's
the only project.
[1:05:12] » Okay Jonathan just so you're clear.
>> Yeah. We cannot tell them what to cut.
[1:05:17] » What to cut? Yep. We can only say you
cut by one, right? Yes. Understood.
[1:05:23] » So Wayne, the numbers you gave
originally were 55
[1:05:26] » for the breakfast.
>> Yes.
[1:05:28] » 10 for the parking lot
for the additional repairs to the
[1:05:33] kitchen equipment. Hold on.
>> Okay. So that had nothing to do with the
[1:05:35] painting.
>> So So I I do I do have a question about
[1:05:37] the the the free breakfast.
>> Yes.
[1:05:39] » Um so we're saying we we're not telling
them what to cut, right? like,
[1:05:45] » but you're saying we easily found 80,000
that we can do away with.
[1:05:48] » That's correct.
>> So, on the topic of affordability,
[1:05:51] right, if we're talking about mill
increases and this and that and we're
[1:05:56] going back and forth over $5 a month, I
can tell you if we're the town spending
[1:06:00] $55,000 in aggregate for all of those
students to make sure their bellies are
[1:06:03] full in the morning, I can tell you if
we shift that over to the household,
[1:06:06] it's going to cost a lot more than $5.
>> Well, that program is already in place,
[1:06:10] » right? So, we're saying if we get rid of
it,
[1:06:11] » No, it's not. No, we we won't get rid of
the substance.
[1:06:14] » No, no, no. We can't get rid of it. No,
no, no, no, no.
[1:06:16] » Right. So,
>> it's there for people that that are
[1:06:19] eligible for it. It's there,
>> right?
[1:06:21] » But the other kids were there for
everybody.
[1:06:24] » For everybody.
>> For everybody. So, the point is we're
[1:06:28] saying some people can afford or feed
them at home or whatever,
[1:06:32] » right?
>> Or aford to feed them after school.
[1:06:34] » But if if we're talking if we're talking
about, you know, the the mill increase
[1:06:38] or not
>> Mhm.
[1:06:39] » Right. And the difference between a half
mil
[1:06:43] or a quarter mill is like $5. If we gave
free lunch to everybody
[1:06:48] that's going to call or not free lunch,
free breakfast, my apologies, to
[1:06:52] everybody.
That shifts the burden of a much bigger
[1:06:57] expense. I mean, even when I was at LCS,
>> that there's a there's a state budget
[1:07:04] that that we don't have an answer to
right now that would provide that. And
[1:07:08] if we've already budgeted it,
>> the board of ed gets to keep it even if
[1:07:12] the state reimbures the the tenant.
>> Okay, I understand where you're coming
[1:07:17] from.
>> So, so that's why we thought if they
[1:07:19] took that out, you know, I mean, I guess
I don't know how it works, but we maybe
[1:07:23] we can make a decision.
>> Yeah, you make a contingency and say,
[1:07:26] hey, look, are we allowed to do that?
Are we are we allowed to say that hey if
[1:07:29] the state approves
>> you know that we have to say if they
[1:07:33] don't approve
>> we could fund it at that
[1:07:37] » they could come back later
>> I I don't know they come they come
[1:07:41] they're asking for $59100 for special
education
[1:07:46] » that's great we have to do it we have to
do it but don't come and ask us for
[1:07:51] $850,000 say oh you know what I feel
like let's go $55,000 in that's exactly
[1:07:55] how the $55,000 got in there because it
was a board member that wanted it in
[1:07:59] there.
>> Okay.
[1:08:01] » Yeah. So, as far as that program, the
way I see it,
[1:08:06] » since the state already has a program,
>> so instead of guessing who basically
[1:08:12] just off the numbers, who actually makes
what amount of money can they afford to
[1:08:17] feed their kids breakfast? The state
already has a program that they apply
[1:08:20] for. And if they actually can't, they're
saying, "Oh, look, we only make this
[1:08:23] much. We can't afford it.
>> The school provides their breakfast."
[1:08:26] » Yeah. the ones that don't get it, it's
because if they applied, they make
[1:08:31] enough money in the state saying yes,
you can afford to buy your kids
[1:08:35] breakfast. So that's the way I see it.
There are people that can't afford
[1:08:38] » to pay for the kids
>> and they're eligible right now today.
[1:08:41] » Yeah.
>> And every and the only other town that
[1:08:43] may do this is knowledge. None of the
other towns around here offer this free
[1:08:46] breakfast for all their students.
>> Something uh superintendent has
[1:08:52] something.
>> Oh, it's just a question. Maybe a dumb
[1:08:54] question. So, I really don't know the
answer. I'm not setting anyone up.
[1:08:58] » So, well, so thank you. But
>> is there a way if we did the 55? I'm not
[1:09:06] saying if we did it and it came through
with the state, is there a way of giving
[1:09:11] you the money back?
>> No, you just asked that question.
[1:09:14] » I was asking allocate once we allocate
the money to you, it becomes part of the
[1:09:19] MBR.
>> So, so that means we would, you know,
[1:09:22] our budget for the school. Yeah. But but
but but if we chose later if the
[1:09:27] governor doesn't sign that in, we could
>> she could always come back and ask
[1:09:32] something.
>> So that's what you meant by contingency.
[1:09:34] » Yeah. They put a contingency, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If there was a
[1:09:36] contingency, we put a contingency and
say, "Hey, if the state doesn't pass it,
[1:09:40] boom, here's your money." Um my other
question to to to you guys, if you have
[1:09:44] the information, what percentage of our
student body is is receiving free
[1:09:48] breakfast income?
>> It's mid30s, I believe.
[1:09:50] » Mid30s.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We we went over the
[1:09:52] threshold, so to speak.
>> Okay.
[1:09:56] » So, my my second my second question, my
followup to that would be what are the
[1:09:59] direct administrative costs associated
with keeping track of who's on it, who's
[1:10:03] not on top of it? Because if those costs
are 10 20 grand, the net economic impact
[1:10:09] is not the 55, it's actually 35 in that
hypothe Well, no, because we we're going
[1:10:13] to have to we're going to have to report
all that to the state anyways.
[1:10:17] » Correct. Otherwise, we're not going to
reimburse those. understood.
[1:10:20] » And they netted that out with
the 55 is only an increase to the
[1:10:25] breakfast line,
>> right? Okay.
[1:10:27] » They were already taking money out of
out of out of
[1:10:30] » savings account to pay for a substantial
increase in both budgets,
[1:10:34] » right?
>> Um so it doesn't make sense to have that
[1:10:37] 55 grand in there.
>> Yeah. But to Wayne's point, we can't
[1:10:40] tell them what to cut. We just how much?
>> That doesn't mean they they're going to
[1:10:43] cut it. They can go
they want. They can do whatever they
[1:10:47] want. Are we giving him the bottom line
of $118,000 cut? And he second it.
[1:10:52] » I would ask that you amend the motion to
either increase the cut to $118,32
[1:11:01] or we remove $32 from the town
>> because the total deficit is is 118.
[1:11:08] » I'll renew the motion to $118,032.
[1:11:13] » I second.
>> Okay. Any other discussion?
[1:11:20] » Jonathan, my shit's back.
>> Hearing none.
[1:11:22] » I just got to say I have one.
>> Yes.
[1:11:24] » So, we started the day and I've talked
to several members. We started the day
[1:11:28] looking at a $40,000 cut. Now, we got
$118,000 cut. The town gets no cut,
[1:11:36] right? Is that is that how we're
>> That's the motion on the table.
[1:11:39] » All right. Great. Thanks.
>> I mean, it's still going to public
[1:11:41] hearing, so it it's
>> And this isn't the final. This this is
[1:11:46] only the recommendation to the public
>> public hearing.
[1:11:50] » Okay.
>> And I think the other thing that needs
[1:11:53] to be brought out is you know the
impression is that every dollar we get
[1:11:58] for the board of ed we just frivolously
throw it away and and keep in mind that
[1:12:04] we give money back year after year. For
this year and last year we struggled to
[1:12:11] not come back for more money. And right
now sitting here, we're just praying we
[1:12:18] have enough dollars to get to the end of
the year. This is not frivolous
[1:12:22] spending. You know, every penny is
accounted for. And if you think the
[1:12:28] Buddhist select men don't have any
places to cut, we have even fewer places
[1:12:34] to cut.
>> I know it's not a competition and it
[1:12:38] shouldn't be, but they present it as a
competition.
[1:12:43] » All right. Any other comments?
>> Well, I'll just say one more thing. So,
[1:12:46] we have been uh very reluctant to come
back to this board for additional
[1:12:52] appropriations. I think we've done it
once in the last 15 years.
[1:12:56] » Correct.
>> Once in 16
[1:12:58] » and we've been eating that $92,000
threshold every year because we get new
[1:13:03] students every year that don't meet the
threshold. Right. I'll be back.
[1:13:09] » Yeah. I
>> Thanks.
[1:13:10] » Yeah. I'm going to go too, but thank you
so much. I would like to say, is this
[1:13:14] board doing anything to look at what we
need to do legislatively in Hartford to
[1:13:20] prevent the railroading that's happening
to our taxpayers right now? Because it
[1:13:24] affecting the students is is abysmal to
me. So, what are we doing? Because we
[1:13:29] just instituted a legislative committee.
I want to know what you guys are going
[1:13:33] to do to work with us to make sure that
this impact doesn't continue to grow and
[1:13:37] grow and grow every year. Like we need
to band together in Hartford to stop
[1:13:42] what's happening to us.
>> That really
[1:13:46] » is there anything we can do? Cuz that's
what I think. See that there
[1:13:49] » we cannot hear you.
>> All right. Is there anything we can do?
[1:13:55] Because I agree. That's what I think
this whole thing is that there are state
[1:13:59] requirements and it seems like there's
no money or no way to actually meet them
[1:14:04] and it seems being suppressed. Is there
anything we can do?
[1:14:08] They're doing something. What can we do?
And obviously, we're all volunteers. How
[1:14:12] much time do we have to do it?
>> The only thing we can do really is is um
[1:14:18] » get together with other towns.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:20] » We don't have a voice big enough to out,
you know, yell Hartford and Bridgeport
[1:14:26] and Waterberry.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:27] » Um
>> this is not just the school. I mean,
[1:14:29] think about the the extra
>> right
[1:14:31] » cost of extra election days. That's a
huge burden on the table.
[1:14:35] » It is and it's ridiculous early voting.
Absolutely.
[1:14:39] » But they tell you you have to do it
>> for even for our, you know, our local
[1:14:42] things. We have to do it. And it's just,
it's terrible burden on us.
[1:14:46] » Yeah.
>> Unfunded mandates.
[1:14:50] » The only way to do it is get enough
small towns together to have an equal
[1:14:54] voice to the other towns, the larger
cities.
[1:14:58] » All right. So,
>> I guess that's all you have to do. Start
[1:15:01] » what you're going to do and follow town.
Will my chair send an email to let them
[1:15:05] know what our next legislative committee
is and y'all are invited and we'll come
[1:15:09] out. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:15:12] » All right. Uh I'll take a mo. All those
in favor signal by saying I
[1:15:18] » opposed. I
>> I
[1:15:22] 42.
>> Okay. Now let's go on to the capital
[1:15:27] budget.
[1:15:32] All right.
This is just
[1:15:50] Are we only having a conversation about
fiscal year 2027 right now?
[1:15:55] » Well, we can do anything we want.
>> Let's just do 2027 so we can go home
[1:16:00] tonight. Yeah.
Um
[1:16:06] » now if we depending on you know what we
decide on this we're we're having the
[1:16:11] conversation that we we will control
this.
[1:16:15] » Yes.
>> So so if we want more bids for something
[1:16:18] if we want to question a cost on
something we can do that. Okay.
[1:16:22] » Yes.
>> Which I know at least one of them
[1:16:25] Brian's already getting a second quote
on. But it's just that specific type of
[1:16:29] water heater is really expensive to buy.
>> Okay.
[1:16:32] » And it's the because it serves the
shower that's the shelter.
[1:16:36] » It's the only reason it's the only
appliance on it that requires a higher
[1:16:41] flow rate which is why it's oil fired.
Um so basically you have a power vtor,
[1:16:47] you have a burner. It's not just like an
electric water heater that would cost
[1:16:50] $500. This this is expensive to put in.
>> And what is it for a shower for what?
[1:16:55] Uh, I think it feeds the shower. The new
origin bath marine has a shower and I
[1:16:59] think it's also kind of like a shelter
>> like emergency shelter if there's a
[1:17:04] » Yeah. So it's
>> hurricane or something.
[1:17:06] » Yeah. It's 10 years old. They got their
money's worth out of it.
[1:17:09] » Yeah.
>> And that and that one is the um 9985.
[1:17:14] Is that the one we're talking about?
>> Yep. 30 gallon.
[1:17:17] » Okay.
[1:17:21] » The only other thing Let's see.
replace six exhaust fans. That quote
[1:17:29] actually a little different. I think it
was higher last time I saw it unless I
[1:17:33] saw it. Not all that 25.
>> That's crazy.
[1:17:37] » Yeah. So,
I think a big problem with the numbers
[1:17:40] is the town doesn't have
anyone in the skilled trade on payroll.
[1:17:46] These exhaust fans,
um, usually I swap them. It take like
[1:17:52] two, three hours. depends on what kind
of fan you buy. You know, less than two
[1:17:57] grand per fan.
>> Um if this is going on top of like the
[1:18:01] kitchen,
>> that's a different story.
[1:18:04] » Yeah. I mean, well,
>> yeah, cuz it's got to have grease
[1:18:06] recovery and everything else in it.
>> Yeah.
[1:18:08] » Um if it's going somewhere else and we
have to know where we are if this looks
[1:18:12] really reasonable.
>> Is it on here? Did you
[1:18:16] » get in there for sex,000?
[1:18:26] That's what
[1:18:31] the fan is located.
[1:18:35] » Okay.
[1:18:41] » I see I see one.
[1:18:50] » I don't know where it is. Okay.
[1:18:55] » I would suggest we fund the um
dishwasher.
[1:19:00] » Mhm.
>> The parking lot and the water heater.
[1:19:06] » Now, I I do have a question on on on the
water heater, right? If it's an
[1:19:10] emergency shelter, is there any grants
we can apply for through the state or
[1:19:14] through the federal government, through
FEMA perhaps that says that can offset
[1:19:18] our burden, our $10,000 burden?
>> We can ask them.
[1:19:21] » I think that's research that I think
that's something we should look into.
[1:19:24] » Wayne, you said the dishwasher,
>> dishwasher, the parking lot,
[1:19:28] » and what was the other one?
>> And the water heater,
[1:19:30] » the 30 gallon water heater. Okay.
>> At a minimum, there might be a rebate if
[1:19:34] we change the fuel source.
>> Correct.
[1:19:38] We got a propane 50 in every source
rebate.
[1:19:40] » Yeah,
>> it depends on where it is.
[1:19:44] » Um,
>> but how much additional cost would we
[1:19:47] have to incur?
>> I think they fuel sources.
[1:19:49] » I think they have to get more quotes on
the uh
[1:19:52] » on the exhaust fans.
>> Gotcha. And then compare
[1:19:55] » we only have how many do we have right
now?
[1:19:58] » It's
[1:20:01] most of them one quote per vegetarian
number but there's six fans with six
[1:20:05] different quotes.
>> Gotcha. But yes, the job would go
[1:20:08] forward based on the thresholds of of
the dollar, we have to have whether it's
[1:20:11] three quotes, three estimates.
>> Gotcha. Okay. Right. Yeah. So just just
[1:20:15] additional bids we're waiting on. So
that's what you're saying.
[1:20:19] » Yeah. I would say let them come back and
um
[1:20:24] » What about the AC for the library?
>> No.
[1:20:31] » And that's so they're going to have to
put that in their budget. Well, they can
[1:20:35] always come back to us, but I think
um
[1:20:40] » can I just ask
>> I have to you know I have a serious
[1:20:42] question for that amount.
>> We based we based everything that we
[1:20:46] were talking about thank you on the 159
the 160
[1:20:50] » right
>> meaning that we were going to
[1:20:55] fund that. So, now you're saying that we
didn't we're not going to play with the
[1:20:59] um uh library AC,
>> correct? I I'm I've got some concerns on
[1:21:06] that quote.
>> That is a ton of money for repairs.
[1:21:11] » Okay. Um
>> D, can you tell them some of the
[1:21:14] problems we have with the scient where
it's not just
[1:21:20] » that's this I don't know if this one is
a replacement.
[1:21:24] » He's got something to say.
>> Yeah. So that that particular unit is a
[1:21:26] repair. Uh to replace it is is we were
quoted roughly north of 120,000.
[1:21:32] » That is extremely low gas that that AC
utilizes as it leaks. It's extremely
[1:21:36] expensive to fill it.
>> Uh we thought our best approach was to
[1:21:40] repair it for the 37,000 as opposed to
spend 120,000 uh to to replace it.
[1:21:46] » Yeah. But if I could just ask you just
for clarification, I I believe we the
[1:21:51] vote and the motion was to go to 300,000
the capital reserve to then fully fund
[1:21:55] all the repairs and then the board of
today was asked to cut all of the
[1:21:59] reduction out of the budget. But now
we're not going to fund all the capital
[1:22:02] improvement projects. I just
>> That wasn't the motion.
[1:22:04] » No, it wasn't the motion. That was that
was the intent. That was
[1:22:07] » that was not the motion. So
>> yeah, but that was the intent when we
[1:22:10] did that.
>> Well,
[1:22:13] we took out of the education budget.
Yeah. Yeah.
[1:22:16] » We have improvements out of the
education budget to lower it
[1:22:19] » because we've asked you to cut 118.
>> Now it's in here,
[1:22:23] » right? I think you might have been out
of the room.
[1:22:26] » Now when you're saying we're not going
to pay, we're not going to fund
[1:22:30] » the library uh AC.
>> Wait a minute.
[1:22:33] » Well, this is just what he's saying.
>> What I'm saying is that I have no
[1:22:38] problem with those three and I think we
should fund them.
[1:22:40] » Okay.
>> Which three is that again? I'm sorry for
[1:22:42] leaving the room.
>> The conveyor dishwasher. the dishwasher,
[1:22:45] » parking lot,
>> the parking lot, and the hot water.
[1:22:48] » Okay.
>> And and if we approve the hot water, I'm
[1:22:52] all in favor for that. Can we see if
there's any sort of grant money that
[1:22:55] FEMA is offering or anything like that
since it is also used as a shelter, even
[1:23:00] if we get reimbursed 10%. Hey, that's a
grand. We didn't have,
[1:23:04] » you know, I I don't know whose responsib
I don't know if it's your responsibility
[1:23:08] or if it's somebody at the town or
whatever, but
[1:23:11] » that was part of the deal with the
300,000
[1:23:15] mil,
>> right?
[1:23:16] » No, I I would ask that they go back and
get some cut and dry pricing on the AC
[1:23:23] because how old is that unit?
>> I don't have the exact age, but I would
[1:23:28] have known that. Um, it's it's just old.
That's what I know. I know it's
[1:23:32] » I can't see putting $37,000
$38,000 into a 25y old unit.
[1:23:40] » Their estimate was that the leaking
would cost us around 15,000 annually to
[1:23:44] maintain the leak. So if it continued to
leak to buy the gas to maintain it was
[1:23:50] going to be about 15,000.
>> So if we don't touch it, that's an
[1:23:53] expense that we're going to incur that's
not in our budget.
[1:23:55] » Right. But what I'm saying is that
you're talking about a 25 year old 20 25
[1:24:01] year old unit
>> at that point. Just replace it for 125.
[1:24:04] » Correct. Yeah.
>> Okay. If you replace it, we're do for
[1:24:07] the science room. We explain the problem
we have replacing.
[1:24:09] » I think that's why the quote's high
>> because they're so I think the the idea
[1:24:13] is their quote for replacing is over
100,000 because of same issues.
[1:24:18] » Yeah. Same issues.
>> You got structural issues. You got to
[1:24:21] get a certified engineer. You got to
there's a whole bone of stuff that goes
[1:24:26] into this and the town already voted
down doing the
[1:24:30] » uh uh air conditioning wind
>> uh
[1:24:34] » but I just think that throwing 38,000
almost $40,000 into a 25y old
[1:24:41] » the replacement was
>> north of 120.
[1:24:45] » Yeah. So let her get firm quotes on
that. Uh, make sure that you're getting
[1:24:49] energy efficient quotes,
>> rebates, grants,
[1:24:53] » because there are rebates from
Eversource.
[1:24:55] » Yeah.
>> And the other thing you need to do,
[1:24:57] » and they can be up to a third of the
cost.
[1:24:59] » Yeah.
>> You're going to have to talk to um
[1:25:01] » Good point,
>> right?
[1:25:04] » The building inspector,
>> cuz he's going to require an engineering
[1:25:07] stamp
>> to put a new unit in, cuz that's what
[1:25:10] we're going through in the science room,
right?
[1:25:12] » And the price of poker just went way up.
>> It's not going to be what you think. C
[1:25:18] can I ask one quick question? I know the
following year
[1:25:22] we're looking at hopefully grant money
to replace the to put an in install HVAC
[1:25:27] in a cafeteria in gym. Is there any way
we can piggy bank the three of them and
[1:25:32] » save the town shut down?
>> Yeah, but they're looking at putting
[1:25:36] that that back on the
>> Yeah. And for 28.
[1:25:40] » Yeah. No, but what Ry's saying is was it
last year or the year before? We had we
[1:25:45] had a vote on putting that in and the
town shot it down.
[1:25:48] » Okay.
>> So, but but they're looking at getting
[1:25:50] grant money to do it
>> and they and they can also to cover 80
[1:25:55] 85%.
>> Right.
[1:25:57] » And the town says no, we don't want to
do that. So now we're going to have to
[1:26:01] eat this,
>> right?
[1:26:02] » I thought it was real quick.
>> This is a no winner.
[1:26:06] » Who's that?
>> The AC and the grant. So we did have
[1:26:09] conversation uh superintendent Kitty and
Brian and myself and that grant project
[1:26:15] uh we would look to be getting um state
senator to write a letter of support so
[1:26:19] that we receive an 80% funding but
according to the state uh the office
[1:26:25] that uh approves the school construction
grants um you have to put up the full
[1:26:30] dollar amount first pay for the project
and then receive hopefully 80% of
[1:26:35] reimbursement rate. I believe we might
be able to do that library one the way
[1:26:39] maybe you know um
>> you can do it under the federal grant or
[1:26:42] the state grant
>> even though you're replacing an existing
[1:26:45] as opposed to the other two would be
bridge
[1:26:46] » yes
>> okay
[1:26:47] » yes so they could put that through there
which would mean that would reduce the
[1:26:51] cost of whatever it is by 50%.
Hey Ray, I have a question. Um, rooftop
[1:26:57] units patching free on lines, soldering,
anything. Anyone do that?
[1:27:04] » Um, cuz I don't really see it too often
if they have a refrigerant leak and it's
[1:27:09] just in the coil lines or somewhere. Um,
you think we could find someone to get a
[1:27:15] patch to just try to patch it, solder
it, whatever.
[1:27:18] » How old is this unit?
>> 20.
[1:27:19] » I don't know if he's
>> It was when I was a kid, actually, when
[1:27:22] they did the media center. So, so it's
probably refrigerant 22 and they haven't
[1:27:26] made that since 1996.
>> Yeah. Which is probably why the gas is
[1:27:29] so expensive.
>> Yeah. So to patch it last year possible.
[1:27:34] That's
>> I know Brian has present Brian and the
[1:27:37] contractor have discussed this cuz this
unit has you know we attempted to repair
[1:27:40] it. So patching and all these things
have been presented.
[1:27:43] » Uh this is
>> but the refrigerant lines are leaking
[1:27:46] and it's a solder joint. That's not a
complicated thing to do to fix. I think
[1:27:51] that's what what Dave's asking.
>> Yeah, at least fix it to limit it to
[1:27:56] 2027.
>> If it's just the lines that are leaking,
[1:27:58] they should be able to fix them.
>> Yeah. Again, I wasn't perfect to that
[1:28:02] conversation between Ryan coils. If it's
the coils, that's
[1:28:06] » I could because there was a I know there
was a problem in that route.
[1:28:10] » The coils, that's a whole different
game. Then that's not easy.
[1:28:12] » Do you think this
>> is to replace basically? If it was that
[1:28:16] simple, I know we would have taken care
of it because I know this because again,
[1:28:19] this is costing us money annually.
>> That's not enough.
[1:28:22] » When you mention the coils, I'm pretty
positive that's where the problem.
[1:28:26] » But I my personal opinion is we need to
we should be replacing this unit. We
[1:28:31] shouldn't be catching
>> we tried to do it.
[1:28:34] » If anybody knows, do you need to do
maintenance work schools? You know,
[1:28:38] » this is a different one.
>> There was the gym library,
[1:28:40] » right? This is the live media center
that I I would suggest that we go
[1:28:47] tomorrow night approving
>> the three.
[1:28:51] » Monday,
>> the dishwasher,
[1:28:56] » the parking lot, and the water heater.
>> Yes.
[1:28:59] » Send them back to do more research on
the on the media center.
[1:29:03] » Okay. So, the three was the
>> dishwasher for 65,000.
[1:29:10] » Yep. Mhm.
>> What was the other one? The hot water
[1:29:13] heater.
>> Hot water heater.
[1:29:14] » 10.
>> 10.
[1:29:15] » And what was the third one?
>> The parking lot at 16.
[1:29:18] » 16 or 135.
>> 16 is what?
[1:29:22] » Wait, I thought you said it was also 10.
>> No. So it's
[1:29:25] » So what we did was the full to to seal
strife the parking lot. The full cost is
[1:29:31] $16,000.
>> 165. Correct. We only have 10 in our
[1:29:35] budget in the case that doesn't pass as
just a band-aid to paint do whatever we
[1:29:39] could to improve the park.
>> So you're looking at 165. Okay. Okay.
[1:29:43] » All right. Which comes out to about 91.
>> 91. Exactly. Okay.
[1:29:49] » 91 that for the
>> We agreed to have it taken out of their
[1:29:52] budget. We got to we got to pay it.
>> Yeah.
[1:29:54] » We got to do it. So, we're getting we're
getting quotes for or we want we're
[1:29:59] requesting them getting quotes for the
AC in the library and the exhaust.
[1:30:04] » Get more information to us on that.
>> Okay.
[1:30:07] » Cuz I really
It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend
[1:30:11] almost $40,000 to repair a 25-y old
piece of equipment.
[1:30:15] » How about the exhaust fans?
>> More quotes.
[1:30:17] » I think they need to get more quotes.
>> I think they're $30,000. Wow.
[1:30:24] » Yeah. So, Green Heck, that's the same
brand I switched to for McDonald's. So,
[1:30:28] I'll see how much they're paying to put
these in. And if there's a rebate, they
[1:30:34] have a more efficient motor in their
direct drive.
[1:30:36] » Correct. If
>> there could be rebates, huh?
[1:30:38] » Yeah. So, maybe there's a rebate to try
to
[1:30:41] » We need to get this information before
the town meeting.
[1:30:44] » Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[1:30:46] » Because it's not fair that the public
we're hammering them with burden and
[1:30:50] we're not funding what we said we'
>> fund. But we are funding what we said we
[1:30:53] would fund.
>> No, we're not. We're not doing the AC's.
[1:30:56] » They didn't take the AC out of We didn't
take the AC out of their budget.
[1:30:59] » No, no. He's He's saying that when we
said we would fund the 159,
[1:31:04] » right? You're right.
>> We're not.
[1:31:06] » You're right.
>> And I have a problem with that.
[1:31:08] » No, I I agree with you. You're right.
You're right.
[1:31:10] » And if I could just say one thing, and I
apologize to not be a stapler here. I
[1:31:14] just feel like my due diligence to stick
up for the board of education. Um, by
[1:31:19] not repairing that one AC bill in the
library. Now, we are incurring $15,000
[1:31:24] of expenses next year.
>> Got it.
[1:31:26] » So,
>> but we're and we're reducing
[1:31:29] » we're at this point. We're not saying
we're not going to fund it.
[1:31:33] » What we're saying is we would prefer
that you replace the unit and you need
[1:31:38] to come back to us with firm quotes on
replacing the unit with and an energy
[1:31:44] efficient unit that will meet the rebate
stuff from from Eversource. Okay. And
[1:31:51] you should be able to apply for the
grant.
[1:31:56] » Right. Right.
>> Which is an extremely lengthy process
[1:31:59] though and probably will not happen. It
certainly won't happen within the uh AC
[1:32:04] season, let's call it.
>> So we will be incurring that that cost.
[1:32:08] That's all I just wanted to point out
with because these are not part of the
[1:32:11] town's budget versus capital.
>> Let's get the figures together. Can we
[1:32:14] come back to you on a monthly basis if
you will like anytime throughout the
[1:32:17] year we can present the updated figures
for approval from the
[1:32:20] » Well, I look at it this way. All right.
Um
[1:32:25] first of all the
um
[1:32:30] the repairs up through July 1st or in
this current budget
[1:32:36] that you're already operating on. Okay.
Um the school is closed until end of
[1:32:44] August. Okay. So if we need the fund and
temporary repair,
[1:32:49] you know, to get you through, then we
can look at doing that. Okay. The in the
[1:32:55] meantime, we need to you need to get
figures together on a replacement unit
[1:33:01] that would meet the Eversource
standards. Um well, one that won't and
[1:33:06] one that will. Okay? and what the
rebates from Eversource are going to be.
[1:33:11] Okay. Then we can turn around and decide
which way we want to go. Um whether
[1:33:17] we're going to fund the repairs or we're
going to uh fund a replacement. Okay. Um
[1:33:24] meanwhile, once we decide whichever
which you need to do quickly, you can
[1:33:29] apply for the grant.
Okay. Um, and if we've got to fund uh
[1:33:35] some repairs to that for the AC side,
um, to get you through until October and
[1:33:41] November,
um, then you're only going to have heat
[1:33:44] after that point until the following
summer. So, we do have some time to get
[1:33:48] a replacement
>> and and but that grant process is like a
[1:33:51] six-month minimum because it does have
to clear a board's budget that has uh
[1:33:55] the board of selectman's budget and
that's what your budget that you know
[1:33:59] the dollar amounts. Well, it does not
have to clear the board's budget.
[1:34:02] » Well, the board has to approve it before
we can pass along.
[1:34:05] » The board has to pass a resolution um or
the town has to pass a resolution
[1:34:11] ordering the superintendent to apply for
the grant,
[1:34:16] » right? We also have,
>> right? That's why I'm saying get your
[1:34:21] get your quotes together so we can act
on this and have it before the town
[1:34:25] meeting
>> Monday.
[1:34:27] » No.
>> Oh, tell me. public hearing
[1:34:30] » public hearing
>> when oh the town week
[1:34:33] » May 1st
but that was sort of my question for the
[1:34:37] process that we're not going to fund
tonight or at least we're not going to
[1:34:39] include a motion
>> are you saying those have to be
[1:34:43] presented to you prior to the town
meeting don't happen
[1:34:46] » would be better off to prevent
>> they were yes
[1:34:49] » then they could be presented to the town
this is exact dollar amount
[1:34:52] » they don't have to we can always hold an
additional town meeting but that's an
[1:34:56] additional expense my foot.
>> Okay.
[1:35:00] » Yep.
>> Just one comment. Um, working in a
[1:35:03] science lab.
>> Mhm.
[1:35:05] » And the air conditioning system that's
in that room,
[1:35:10] we were looking at replacing it with
this project. And inevitably, we can't
[1:35:15] replace it right now because if we were
going to change it for the building
[1:35:20] official, we need to bring the new unit
up to the new codes.
[1:35:25] » Correct. And by doing that, we need to
hire engineers to engineer stamp the
[1:35:30] roof to make sure it can certify that it
can hold the weight of the units to
[1:35:35] support everything. That's probably
going to happen here too
[1:35:39] » for this project.
>> Yeah,
[1:35:40] » sure.
>> And adding those engineering stamps.
[1:35:44] » Yes,
>> we got quotes. Weren't those quotes like
[1:35:48] 60 to $70,000?
Yeah.
[1:35:51] » 60 to 70,000 was a budget basically to
avoid that was to install a separate ERV
[1:35:58] inducted in.
>> Right. But what was the engineering
[1:36:01] stamps?
>> Oh, they Oh, to do it the whole way with
[1:36:04] new units. We were told it would cost as
much as the entire project
[1:36:08] over $200,000 to put air conditioning in
a science lab.
[1:36:12] » But it depends on what you have up
there. I think you're talking about two
[1:36:15] different units.
>> Okay. My belief is that the one on the
[1:36:19] media center is a curb mounted.
Okay? So, as long as your weight for the
[1:36:24] old unit and the new one don't
significantly alter and they're going to
[1:36:28] drop it right on the same curbing,
>> the support is there for different.
[1:36:32] That's what we were looking at doing
here. We couldn't
[1:36:35] » That one was condenser only on the roof.
Everything else below.
[1:36:39] » So, it was adding everything on the roof
plus the makeup air. But the one in the
[1:36:43] library might already have makeup air,
>> right? So, we have to know.
[1:36:48] » That's why they got some research to do.
>> So, there's a lot of research that needs
[1:36:51] to be done.
>> Yeah.
[1:36:52] » It may just be a control issue to update
with the new unit if it moves air the
[1:36:57] way that they want. It might just be
something that like motion detectors
[1:37:02] that then shut the unit down or bring it
down or something like that. So, it may
[1:37:06] not be as bad. It's still expensive.
It's a bigger unit. It's still going to
[1:37:09] be expensive,
>> right? But it would be better to replace
[1:37:12] it than to I it sounds like they want to
replace the coils and make it work on
[1:37:18] new refrigerator. That's the only thing
I could see costing this much.
[1:37:21] » Yeah, but to replace the coils, you got
to put the TXVs, the valves, everything
[1:37:26] else.
>> You're rebinating
[1:37:31] and it's going to destroy the new unit.
>> Yeah.
[1:37:34] » Yeah.
So, it probably sounds like it would be
[1:37:37] better to try to replace it, which
>> um as far as I'm concerned,
[1:37:43] » it would be better than what they're
asking for. Let's see if we can make it
[1:37:46] work to get them more.
>> Have to do it in a timely manner because
[1:37:50] » if you bring this up after budget
season, after raising taxes, I guarantee
[1:37:54] it will not fly.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We've had that happen
[1:37:56] already. The first time we've lived the
dream.
[1:37:59] » Yeah. 18 to 16.
>> We've already said we were going to fund
[1:38:02] the 159. If we're going to replace the
air conditioning, if that's the plan,
[1:38:08] then we need to move so that when we go
to
[1:38:11] » the town
>> the town meeting,
[1:38:12] » right,
>> we have we have enough information so
[1:38:15] the the taxpayer can pay off
>> and then we're fair to them, too.
[1:38:21] » Yeah.
>> Is that is that a realistic amount of
[1:38:23] time to get the required quotes and
everything?
[1:38:26] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Easily. If we're if we're if we
[1:38:29] were at one point
>> possibly considering 500 from the
[1:38:34] reoccurring recurring whatever and now
we're saying 300
[1:38:38] » and it's not going to affect their mill
rate for us to put it through maybe that
[1:38:43] would be
>> this this air conditioner will we're
[1:38:45] going this will cost a lot more
>> replacement. But whether you approved a
[1:38:51] $400,000 and a mill increase tonight or
you did the 300, either way, we're going
[1:38:56] to pay for this thing.
>> Well, no. What I'm saying is what I'm
[1:38:59] saying is if it's 379 on here for that
AC and he's saying 120 or something. Is
[1:39:06] that what you're saying?
>> To replace
[1:39:08] » to replace it. That's $100,000 more.
>> Yes.
[1:39:12] » Which is the difference between the 300
and the 400 and the 500. And that's if
[1:39:16] it doesn't require any engineering or
anything else like that because that's
[1:39:19] what we ran into in the
>> sign. Gotcha.
[1:39:21] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[1:39:22] » Mhm.
>> Okay.
[1:39:26] » Cuz we'll probably have to come back for
that too.
[1:39:28] » Whether you do it this May 1st or you do
it next May Bank first, only thing
[1:39:31] you're going to have happen is the price
is going to go up.
[1:39:33] » So whether you leave the 200,000 alone
in a surplus and get 7% interest, which
[1:39:37] is great.
>> Mhm.
[1:39:39] » It's going to go up a lot more than 7%.
Look what happened. Was it 4 years ago?
[1:39:42] We're getting we're getting we're
getting three and 361 as of this week.
[1:39:46] Interest not seven.
>> Oh, if it was 7 m about money from the
[1:39:51] general.
>> How much was it when it got shut down?
[1:39:53] Four years ago. 3 years ago.
>> 400,000. How much?
[1:39:56] » 400,000.
>> And what is it today?
[1:39:58] » Double something.
>> It's almost double.
[1:40:00] » Doesn't include the engineering.
>> Just
[1:40:04] talking.
When you bring a capital budget to us
[1:40:08] number, it should include everything,
>> right? I think if you remember the
[1:40:14] timeline of this was tight.
>> Yeah. We put it
[1:40:16] » just make sure that cuz we don't want to
go to the town and approve it and then
[1:40:21] all of a sudden you're coming back.
Well, I need another 20,000 for
[1:40:23] engineering.
>> And that's why we pushed that one back
[1:40:25] in there, too, just to make sure that
>> um All right. So, um I believe there's
[1:40:31] Can I can I have a motion to add the
those three items to the Monday um
[1:40:39] public hearing?
>> Uh so
[1:40:42] » these three items of the
>> dishwasher, parking lot, and the water
[1:40:46] heater.
>> I'll make that
[1:40:47] » approved.
>> Yes.
[1:40:49] » This is for Monday
>> for the public.
[1:40:52] » Yeah. And I also I'd like you to add in
the addendum that we want we we will
[1:40:56] fund these.
>> Yes. Mhm.
[1:40:58] » Yes.
>> So the tech so that everybody knows that
[1:41:00] that's get done.
>> They will get done but we need more
[1:41:04] information on them.
>> Okay.
[1:41:07] » You make I think the
>> those words
[1:41:09] » 29,000 they got to get more quotes.
>> Yeah.
[1:41:12] » Also
>> for the exhaust fans.
[1:41:14] » Yes. For the exhaust fans
>> because those could get those could get
[1:41:16] approved pretty quickly and they could
get them done this year.
[1:41:19] » Yeah. Which is fine. But I mean that's
an huge
[1:41:23] » it's a huge amount for the fans that
they're asking for the amount of fans
[1:41:25] that are asking. But but if we aren't
going to if we don't get to air
[1:41:28] condition this year, at least we've got
a payment. We got the ball rolling. So
[1:41:31] that's why I want to make sure that
that's covered when we tell it uh at the
[1:41:35] town hearing and town meeting.
>> So people know that this is covered. The
[1:41:40] train's on the tracks.
>> You want to make that motion
[1:41:43] » or add to it? We put it with a note that
we were we're recommending the approval
[1:41:49] of the three items and noted that the
repair to the AC unit uh and the HVAC
[1:41:57] fans um need additional quotes and
information. Uh whether they're repair
[1:42:04] or replacement,
>> either way they're going to get fixed.
[1:42:07] » Yeah.
>> As long as that's in there.
[1:42:09] » Okay. I'll second it. I'll add that
wording.
[1:42:13] » Okay. Any other discussion
hearing? None. Those in favor sign by
[1:42:17] saying I.
>> I.
[1:42:19] » Opposed. Hearing. No. Motion carries
unanimously.
[1:42:23] You know what you got to do.
>> Okay. Also, just um so everyone knows uh
[1:42:31] we do record these meetings. Put them on
YouTube. I don't know anymore.
[1:42:35] » No, I I listen. I listen.
>> She's still recording.
[1:42:38] » Yeah. We just don't talk about it.
>> Yeah. No, I I I don't talk about
[1:42:42] » Yeah. No, which is great because you
know in in my absence over the past you
[1:42:47] know little while I have been listening
to them so they are they are helping
[1:42:51] the price for this new air conditioner
instead of repairing the old ones.
[1:42:56] » Is that you who's supposed to be doing
this?
[1:42:59] » The board of ed
>> Oh the board that would be you and the
[1:43:02] maintenance department there.
>> Okay.
[1:43:04] » Yep.
[1:43:07] » Okay. And make sure you come back with
multiple quotes.
[1:43:11] » Okay. They have another problem up
there. Brian's going to be meeting.
[1:43:16] » So, I don't know how much information
for the structural part is.
[1:43:22] » They're going to need help.
>> Who's your residence room director
[1:43:26] starting next week?
[1:43:30] » An interim build a facilities director.
>> He's a new guy though.
[1:43:34] » I'm sorry.
>> Not somebody if you're working at the
[1:43:37] school. Well, uh, he was a facilities
director of the city of Ryan, uh, for
[1:43:40] his
>> No, the problem is, uh, finding prints
[1:43:44] and everything. Brian knows where
everything is and
[1:43:48] » a lot of that stuff in there.
>> You're you're replacing the antiques. He
[1:43:52] knows where everything is and knows
>> and he's not replaceable, right? To be
[1:43:56] clear,
>> for you to do this, you got about a two
[1:43:59] week window with him.
>> Yeah. And and they are they are meeting
[1:44:02] Monday morning. Please.
>> Yeah, he's not leaving Monday. I'm sorry
[1:44:09] about
>> who's leaving Monday morning.
[1:44:11] » No, no, no. Uh the interim facilities
individual meeting Monday morning.
[1:44:19] » Yeah, Ken plays Bri.
>> I would take advantage of Mr. Jolly too.
[1:44:24] » I would take advantage of him. He knows
AC.
[1:44:27] » Right. Right.
>> That would expedite things for you.
[1:44:32] Stay.
>> Yeah. Wayne, you've done this too,
[1:44:34] right?
>> He doesn't have anything else to do.
[1:44:37] » Yeah. Right.
>> Um,
[1:44:43] » another just a quick comment on the uh
the spreadsheets that we get sent out uh
[1:44:48] in emails when we're reviewing budgets
and everything. Um, can that be sent as
[1:44:51] a copy of an Excel?
>> Cuz when I play around with the numbers
[1:44:54] on my own,
>> uh, can you just send send the file like
[1:44:58] just it's literally just a file.
>> Okay. Um that that would be massively
[1:45:02] helpful because I spend probably two
hours just trying to format the thing so
[1:45:05] I can play with the numbers.
>> I'll ask.
[1:45:08] » Yeah, that would be that would be great.
>> You don't have to send it to everybody,
[1:45:10] just the people who can do them.
>> I will take a motion to approve the
[1:45:16] audit, the draft audit that was
presented last last meeting.
[1:45:20] » I'll make that motion to approve.
>> Second. Any discussion?
[1:45:25] » Hearing none. Those in favor signify by
saying I.
[1:45:28] » I.
>> Opposed. Another motion.
[1:45:32] » And uh I'll take a motion to adjourn.
>> I'll make the motion. I said that.
[1:45:36] » Okay. We're journ. It's the time,
please.