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We should get at a time as we go.

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It's a question if you don't have time, whether it be an option at another point in time.

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Yeah, so no matter what the audience can use, if you're looking at your agenda items four and five, or if you want to like to come up and address the council, what Mrs. Referring to is.

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Sometimes if we have a little extra time as we're addressing issues like 6a, 6b, 6c, if we have

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a little extra time we'll invite the public to come up and comment in real time if we have

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time to do that. So, we'll go with that. So, cameras are on. Council has exit of executive

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session at 6-10 and speaking of the next item on our agenda is audience participation in response

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for agenda item. So, if anybody from the community has something that they would like to comment

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on the agenda. The podium is open. Come on up. I'm going to keep the time on my phone and I'll try to be very

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courteous and letting you know that's three minutes.

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So,

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anybody has anything that they'd like to comment on this on today's agenda?

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Good evening folks.

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You stay your name. State your name. My name. Thank you. I'm Bob Miller. I live at 51 Winner Street.

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I want to just continue to discuss the free-to-law's project, and I understand that you've

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just concluded an executive session with the town attorney regarding the Winner Street

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Project.

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I know that legal council rightly focuses on risk mitigation.

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I expect that unless of that discussion centered on the threat of developer litigation

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or potential damages that the town might incur.

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However, we must also ensure that the risk assessment balances potential legal friction

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against the long-term guaranteed liabilities of Lisbon taxpayers.

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Elper's lawsuit is a temporary legal hurdle in contrast, unbudgeted expansion of our schools,

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increased strain to our first responders, and infrastructure where our permanent decade-long

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burdens.

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That's our elected officials, your primary fiducial, judiciary duty to protect the public

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from those permanent costs.

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Excuse me.

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We know the developer has withdrawn their planning board application due to funding issues

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and is currently restructuring.

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We also know this project can proceed on a smaller scale without the town's land grant.

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The shift changes the landscape entirely, and we the public need clear answers to three specific questions tonight.

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First, if the developer returns with a restructured proposal where the land grant is not needed,

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but it was contained a community center, will the town be obligated to convey municipal land under the agreement that is currently in place?

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One of the determining factors that will trigger a detransfer is it simply the community center.

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We need to clarify if this land transfer is truly an necessity for the project or if it become an unnecessary public subsidy.

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Second, if the developer submits a revised proposal, now that excludes a land grant,

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But in tends to return with a phase two later,

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does the original agreement remain valid and available to them?

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And then three,

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we've been told that the land authorization

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is not tied strictly to the specific project

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designed previous council that originally voted on.

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Does it therefore remain open indefinitely?

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What is the exact expiration criteria

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or data that authorization.

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Municipal assets cannot remain tied up indefinitely for a project that is fundamentally changed.

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Because the original concept is no longer moving forward,

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the authorization associated with it should formally expire.

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Hoping that a counselor will place an item on the next agenda,

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The vote on officially sun setting,

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resending the win or straight win and authorization,

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ensuring a clean slate for any future proposals.

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Thank you.

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I think you should be getting the answers to all three of your questions

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when we do get to six E.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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If anybody else would like to share comment on items on today's agenda,

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the podium is open.

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My

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name is Justin Niesol. I'm a great nephew of Daniel Niesol, one of the three property on 142 redrode.

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I was his guardian towards the end of his life for the last month of his life,

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and I have petitioned to become his personal representative and manage his estate.

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I understand that the property has been managed by my father for the 30 years,

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and that there is none of the property and that you guys would like to clean up the property.

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I've come to the town a few times to express that.

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I have the funds to clean up the property and that I have a plan to get excavators and dumpsters in there.

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But right now, well, it's in Provee.

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The Provee has not granted me any permissions to move anything or to spend any funds.

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I do have the funds to clean it up and it means in a timely fashion.

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What I'm granted that?

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But I mean, I just put my own phone in the ground, we just had this elevation in life a week ago.

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I'm requesting that you guys give me a little more time and not use the taxpayer's dollars when I have the funds and the means to clean up the property.

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That pop is been our family for a long time and I would like to keep it that way.

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And I also want to work with the town and I just want the perception of that land and our family to change.

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and it's only been under management for me for one month and I was taken away and I've

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done a lot in that time to clean up the property and to do everything I can to comply with

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court orders. It seems like since I've become the new power attorney, I've received a lot of

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forwarded emails and packets from the lawyers, the lawyers, you know, pressing it to sell the

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property. I didn't have the authority to do that at the time. I still do not. I have, I've called

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probably yesterday they still haven't issued me a hearing date, but I'm just requesting that,

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you know, you guys kind of it's a little bit of slack where we just had, you know, my uncle

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dying and I'm just coming into this, I'm doing no fun, no returning, you know, I'm doing

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the best I can and I just, I would hate to lose that property that's been out of family

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for all these years, because one person messed it up, you know, and that's, that's just what

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want to come and tell you guys and just on we ask that you guys give us a little time.

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All right, thank you.

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right, anybody else would like to address that item on the agenda, the podium is open?

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Sure, it has its challenges. Miss Elise Glyspon. I just want to add my voice for

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all the new support using taxpayer funds to be cleaning up private property when the owners

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or the potential owners of the property are actively working on it and willing to take care of it

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with their own money. I don't think it's appropriate. Thank you.

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Thank you, Missy. And just to clarify for the for the community the way that the

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abatement order is is written is that we would determine what recover any expenses to do so

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from the property owner so there wouldn't be any direct cost or expense to the taxpayer.

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But still, the private sector is willing to take care of it. It's known our place to do it.

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Anybody else would like to address an item on the agenda the podium is open?

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I had one more question.

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Please, Jim.

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Those accounts will have a projected cost evaluation

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of the cleanup of the property over there.

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I don't know if there's...

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How much money would it cost?

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Cash hasn't been recognized since 2020.

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We don't know.

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Yes.

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We don't know.

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Let's see if there's been calls.

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I want to agree with you.

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I don't think that the town, if they're saying they have the means and ability to clean things up, in discussion with them, they would like to put that back into farmland.

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and they have probably early apples and other things there and I think what they see in their

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minds after getting this clean up would benefit this town and not put housing and everything

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else they want to bring it back to them so I think we need to support folks that are really

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Thank you.

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Anyone else to address an item on today's agenda?

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I'm a name of Tony Schultz.

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I'm the owner of a house 41st Winter Street.

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I'm family purchased that house in May of this year.

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This house directly abuts the proposed development on item E of your list today.

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I'm sure a lot of you have quite a bit of information about this project.

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Maybe more so than me.

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This is the place I chose to raise my family.

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The development of this size is not inside of Lisbon in a limited residential area that I know of.

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I've talked to many people in every direction and they all without exception fiercely opposed this project.

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In fact, I haven't found a single person that is for it.

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I've talked to a ton of neighbors, it's been a nice opportunity to get to know a lot of people and maybe I wouldn't.

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I did a bunch of research, it's very hard to filter through all of it, but on August 25th, 25th,

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If it had residential and lesbian maintenance, single family only, that got changed apparently

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according to the sum of people in the town because of state pressure, now a multifamily

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units are allowed with a special clause in the ordinance to allow for big area of

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bigger developments.

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If the town council in planning board approve it is my understanding that this special clause

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is not required, this special clause as I understand it is not required by state law.

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Every one of that I know in my neighborhood wants to live in a single family neighborhood,

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is the character of the town. It's been that way for a long time, as I know.

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And then, as Bob alluded to, there's also the cost of the tax payer.

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I did some rough numbers. These are spitballing, because it's the best I can do offline.

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Let's say we use 50 new units. As the working number, the standard multi-family rates suggest 25 to 40 new students.

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Now, it costs main roughly $19,600 to educate students, which would put the new development

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at somewhere between half a million and $800,000 education costs alone.

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It also multifamily housing typically brings a higher police demand.

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Even a modest increase in calls would be costly in personnel and overtime.

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Now, as Bob mentioned, we're talking about chiefly the land, give a grant of land to the developer.

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It's not a good look for the power in my opinion that a private developer get a gift of free land,

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especially because they are private and they are doing it to root themselves.

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Luckily, there's infrastructure. This is something I personally observe.

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There's water and sewage, but what I want to talk about is the storm water run off.

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For my new house, the road rises in both directions, and when it rains, water flows down

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the road, and it flows to the left of my house, and there is a river.

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Since maybe we've had a few rains, but nothing huge, and there's a river, two inches,

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the at least by a couple feet wide that flows by my house, goes behind it and disappears

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in the forest.

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The forest is acting as a massive sponge to get rid of the storm water on off of the entire

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neighborhood.

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You can look at the top, got a full map to see how that all works.

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Basically the water flows into one spot and that's spot is where they want to cut it

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down and put a big development in a lot of concrete.

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I believe my personal opinion is that it's going to cause a storm water problem.

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Storm water development is very expensive and in my opinion that's going to cause this

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ton of money, it's going to cause me a ton of hardship and you're going to flood my basement

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and all my neighbors' basements and it's just going to be a massive mess.

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beyond all the other problems that Bob has mentioned,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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My question for the board.

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Excuse me, I have one second.

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I know I'm probably over three minutes.

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I apologize.

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I asked that does the Council require full impact analysis

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and explore impact fees.

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Okay, that's so that the developer

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won't have to pay for the infrastructure.

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And does the Council and who has the power?

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Basically I've talked to the town.

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I've talked to some people in the planning board

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and every says, our hands are tied.

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It's basically an ordinance, and we have no right to say yes or no.

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My opinion is that if everyone doesn't want it in the entire town,

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does the council have the power to stop it, or we literally,

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powerless, and we don't have the right to self-determination anymore in Lisbon.

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Because if everybody in the town doesn't want it,

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and it only benefits a few, I.e. a private developer,

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who has the right to stop it, and that's my question to you all.

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It's like, do we have the right to stop something that nobody, I can't find a person.

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I talked to like 100 people probably about this, because I bought a brand new home, thinking

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that behind was the forest.

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You can look at your CGI SMAP, I know them over time.

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You can look at your CGI SMAP currently, it says that it's a wilderness protected, it literally

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looks like beaver park on the map, so I bought a house that everybody in the neighborhood

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told me was a buddy to beaver park.

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The next day I find out they're going to put a massive housing.

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I'm not going to speak to that right now. But it does cause a higher level of crime. You can talk to police officers. I have about that. So, I want to stop it. Everybody had no wants to stop it. And I'm curious if the council must have a power to stop it. I'm asking you to do so. And that's where I land. And it's nice to meet you and I'm sorry I had to do so. It's such a strange economy, but thank you very much.

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Before we move on, does anybody have anything else that they wanted to address?

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If we can move on to item five, which is anything at all.

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Does anybody have anything at all that they wanted to address the Council on tonight,

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even if it's not on the agenda?

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When we do get to item sixy, I wrote Tonya did write your questions down,

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and I'll do my best to answer as many of them as I can.

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When we do get to item sixy.

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So anything else to bring up to the council tonight?

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We'll move into council order resolutions and ordinances.

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And I'll have to start to read the first order.

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That's what 26-135 authorized the town manager

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and finance director to wave any interest and other costs

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assessed for the FY26 tax bills that they

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can reasonably determine to have been impacted by town staff.

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We'll enter the motion to authorize.

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Seconded by Councilor Bickford.

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All right.

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Sarah, you're does any of you like to give us a briefing on this?

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Yes, Beth is here.

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Our finance director is speaking to this topic.

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If you want my comment.

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So what this is basically asking for is,

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as I'm sure you're all aware,

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the 30 day notice is when I would back on July 15th

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and since then, we have found a number.

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So I guess the most common thing we've been finding

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is just misapplied payments.

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So what seems to have happened a lot during FY-25 is I guess the most common instance would be

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A payment was missed or not missed but not applied correctly, so not applied to the appropriate period and applied to the next one

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this then creates that

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First period is in the system showing is overdue and

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accruing interest really that payment should have applied to

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the further back outstanding bill. And then kind of the other issue, which I think Jim

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had made you all aware of was the issue we're running into with Lisbon Credit Union.

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We are we're still working to determine exactly kind of what happened with that, but we do

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believe that incorrect information was probably communicated to them in some fashion.

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We're actively working to get a handle on that and to correct those accounts.

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But this is saying, all this is saying is this interest exists, it's not really the fault

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or the responsibility of the taxpayer, so we don't, you know, it doesn't belong to them.

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So we're just looking for authorization from you to be able to wave that interest, which truly

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shouldn't exist in the first place and in turn, if the lean costs associated with it,

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had those payments been applied correctly.

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These notices wouldn't have gone out.

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And there would be no one else.

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Thank you, Beth.

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I just believe that government shouldn't

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invoice its own mistakes.

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Thank you.

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So I would say just from my perspective,

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thank you to your and your team for discovering this issue,

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moving to rectify and also bringing it to our attention.

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I wholeheartedly agree that as we're continuing to write our financial ship, those who are impacted shouldn't be needing to pay fees or interest or anything like that because of something that they don't mistake that we made.

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So I wholeheartedly agree with that. Does any other counselor have any questions or comments?

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Let's do the right thing.

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All right, seeing no other discussion.

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Go ahead and move to vote all those in favor.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Okay, next item, please.

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26-136 approved the use of a sole source bidding process for the procurement of a greater and authorize the town manager to execute an agreement with the town of Auburn for grading equipment.

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All the other ten of motion to approve.

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Can we change the city of Auburn?

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Yep.

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Make the motion.

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Okay.

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And I know that that's the hallway.

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I don't know if you wanted to hinder.

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Yeah, I couldn't see him.

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He's there.

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I don't know.

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I want to.

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I don't be shy.

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I couldn't.

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Who is my blind spot?

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I'm going to explain what's going on.

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No mind, that'd be great.

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So we have an opportunity to rent the greater from the city of Auburn.

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In the past, we rented a hired guy.

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So hired guy to do our grading of our roads in town.

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His machine was too small to actually pull them through and he might have,

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my pulse we have got was down through.

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He could add any material on top and grated out nice and neatly.

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We couldn't pull any of our shoulders back, and any of the gravel we lose off the side of the road that makes it damn.

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That keeps all of our water and the road doesn't allow that water to get to the ditch line.

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By renting this grade, we can actually do it ourselves in house.

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And with our operators, and we can actually pull the shoulders back in,

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proudly roads back to where we need to be.

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You did a great job last year, just couldn't quite get that final, final piece of the puzzle that we needed.

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And by doing it through Auburn, Auburn will allow us to use their machine for $43.50 an hour on the hour meter.

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Whereas, if we grow up in rental home machines,

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about 9,000 miles a month, that's the best price I could get.

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So, it all seems like a no-brainer,

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but same token we have to have a contract sign,

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and have to have a mission to do so ahead of time,

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and those little proper channels you're trying to go through now

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to do it and do it right.

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Questions from any other question for Pat?

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How much do you think we'll be using that?

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Well, the other catch that is,

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we can do just to grow the roads,

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but we can also use that to fix our shoulders and towns.

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Any time we dump a little bit of the gravel inside of the road,

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great or long and actually push that out and do some shoulder work. We used to do all the

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time and down. It hasn't been done for years. We could have a lot of shoulder work. I have

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$10,000 in a budget designated just for dirt roads and town. So we will not exceed that by any

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means just doing the gravel roads. I'm estimating probably $5,000, $7,000 if you do just a gravel

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road. And we may have that $3,000 available if we want to keep going further on that our meter

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to do other projects and town and it could be simplified with that greater.

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You come back with a priority list for shoulders because I mean, you probably could get them all done for 3,000, but I could be wrong.

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I bet we could do it for three months without a greater, you know what I'm saying, but you're right, it'll streamline the process much quicker.

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And we certainly do have priority roads and need to be done for a street at summer street as you know.

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So funny thing is every time we pay for a room here in town, that's what we need to do with all of that

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painting, but doing the shoulder work hasn't been done for years, we're unfortunate, so we could

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we could just pick the roads that had been paved in the last 10 years and spend that budget right there

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without even getting to the roads. I did. Thank you, Pat. This is a really pragmatic solution that I hope others are

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paying attention. This is really smart. Does it really have a lot of noise? Deliver it or do we go

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pick it up with our own driver.

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The government is actually using it right now and they're using it on a brick-air

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held road and it's a kind of a fault of it.

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You are doing their done.

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We just have to carry our own insurance policy to come running.

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It was wrong with it.

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And pay the hourly wage to 4350 an hour.

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I'll give you a little history.

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You just have a great deal.

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And you know, we had a little one to ever wrote.

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Finally it came down.

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That the trader was costed more to maintain and keep so we got rid of it.

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And we've always had people coming in to do it.

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And what you got right now is we don't brain off.

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Do we have an experience greater off right now?

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Three certified greater off right now.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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Let's put them to work.

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All right.

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See other comments or questions from Council?

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All right.

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then go ahead and move to vote, all those in favor.

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Thank you, Pat.

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All right.

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Next item, whenever you're ready, Alice.

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Authorized the town manager, or 2026-137, authorized the town manager to execute a professional

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services agreement with Barry Dunn, McNeill, and Parker L.C. for financial support services using

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sole source bidding, and an amount not to exceed $50,000 from already available funds

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or a reserve account created for financial audit preparation assistance.

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I'm going to finish the motion to authorize.

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I'll move.

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Seconded by.

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I'm going to give that one to Greg Garnet.

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All right.

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I think at our previous meeting,

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we had authorized a setting that funds aside.

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And so this is essentially for the no-good process there.

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I don't know if you want to add anything else or.

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Just remember.

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It was very briefly yes.

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Thank you for setting aside the funds to support Beth and

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doing in the finance department doing the hard work that they have to do to get us moving forward.

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So that we don't delay and get Beth and the finance team the help that they need or asking

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to sole source based on the expertise and the timing that we need this help in.

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And that's basically it in Beth. I stole your thunder. So if you want to come up and add

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anything else to the mix feel free. And you can say um yeah so I mean I kind of you know I looked into

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other firms and I know me and Sarah had a meeting with another potential contractor and

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just kind of between that meeting and some of the research I did on my own I feel very confident

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that buried on it's the correct firm for us to use. I think they do have heavy expertise in

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the municipal finance world and they can start almost like they are ready to go as soon as

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get a contract from us. So they clicked my morning right away. Yeah. Well, I

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fern first and then break them. And while you're off, I just maybe can answer

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maybe you can. So the 50,000 is a set project or end game to the way you'll

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can do in years past. I've just seen money put aside where we bring in people

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and then basically a project sunk it down before the money runs out and then we

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I think that's with a bigger move for our staff to try to fill.

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And I'm just warning you, if that's something with it,

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does it, will it $50,000?

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You all want to do?

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I strongly believe so.

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So the discussions we've had with them

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is we've already had several meetings to kind of,

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just to talk about getting a contract in place

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and then kind of sense, they provided us with a formal contract.

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We had a meeting yesterday to kind of just discuss

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sort of what their focus should be

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and

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I hope them and I strongly felt, you know, we've done a lot of work to get cash reconciled, but it's not there

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and with that, obviously being our biggest asset

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and also the biggest risk on the balance sheet. They are going to start with cash

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get us there, because like I said I've done a lot of work on it, but it's just with all, I feel

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like to do a proper cash reconciliation, you really have to sit there for several hours and

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not be interrupted and I just don't have that ability. This time with all the other things going

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around. So as to not kind of delay that process, they're going to jump in and kind of take that

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from where I've gotten it through the finish line. And we also had talked about we're going to do

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bi-weekly check-ins with them, where they will update us sort of on the hours they've spent,

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the progress they've made, what we have kind of remaining in our budget, any issues they've found,

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any questions they've had, and then we're going to sort of direct it from there.

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So obviously, I expect in reconciling cash, some other issues may follow.

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I know withholding accounts have not been reconciled. I've done some work on that, but again,

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haven't taken it all the way. The other thing we had talked about was at one point I believe

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during FY25 we had CBS come in and do a great upon procedures for us over our tax or

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seafood accounts. We received that report and then to my knowledge nothing was ever done

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with that report to remedy those findings. So we're going to provide them with that report

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And they're going to kind of look at that kind of get those accounts reconciled as well and then kind of just use whatever remaining hours and money we have if there's other additional items we need help with will kind of figure out priority list and go from there.

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And just to follow up on that, I think it'd be good if you'd counsel on a little bit

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of war or act, because I think in the past, pretty much all the problems we have, right?

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And the problems that you just alluded to is, basically the lack of staff is actually

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fulfill, you know, get to where you need to be.

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We need to have a good baseline, right?

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We need to get to that point.

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And that was actually, Sarah had mentioned, you know, we've had contractors in the past

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who paid good money to, and that they were doing projects, and then the end result

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that that should have gotten with that money, but so I was that was actually their idea to

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have the bi-weekly meetings, which I was very happy with. So I think they're happy to kind of

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put up data every two weeks and then their approach was to sort of look at them as another member

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of the team. So if there's things that, even between those two week meetings, the manager on the engagement

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It was like reach out whenever, like if you would stretch in, if you need us to look at something immediately if something pops up like you direct us.

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I think it's good that you actually have some definite goals you're looking for and then actually spread from there and then it would be nice to get an assessment.

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When this team is done of what we still need to do and what it would take to get it because I still don't think we have adequate staff to actually fulfill everything.

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So if we still have holes, I would be nice to know what it would take to actually bring people on staff to actually get that taken care of

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I guess my angle is is with loss a lot of good people because we just don't have the resources to do the jobs that they were hired to do and I don't want that to happen again

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If it takes more, I think, as a council, we're going to be aware that we need to fix problems. And part of that is just a real last week, problems are and actually coming up with a good staff way to fix them after. So, again, that's just my two cents. So, full favor, what we're doing.

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Thank you for that, Greg.

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Well, when I used to sit over there, I'd tell Fern's dealing my thunder and he did it again because I was on the same topic.

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I was on the same topic, so, but thank you, you did it well, and I'm glad that we're going to get some help.

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If we don't get our financial stuff in order real quickly here, we're just going to be dragging that anchor and we don't need to do that.

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So thank you.

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That's all.

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I would say that a lot of the questions we're hearing from the public about cost proposals and analysis.

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Beth can't do that work if she's still working on 2024.

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That's something.

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This is a pragmatic solution.

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Just like Pat's was.

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Any other questions or discussion from the council?

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Can I ask a question? If you would, yeah, come on up, Bob. If you would, you would

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go to that.

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And then I apologize if I don't know what the, again, I'm procedurally, but

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I'm just curious within the contract that you're talking about. Is there some sort of insurance

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that if that company makes a financial error in any of the work that they're doing, that they're

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responsible to fix whatever damages are done by that because you can have a company

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come in and do all this work and if they miss a decimal point or something and cause

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an error that would impact the community who is ultimately responsible to fix that.

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Just concern to consider as you're looking at the contract.

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And I don't know if I feel like I'm looking at number 15 which is said,

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It says limitation of liability, so I was already sort of right here, and it's already mentioning, and I'm sure it's going to be in other spots, but it says except to the extent finally determined to have resulted from the parties fraud or willful misconduct, of course that's a worst case scenario, right?

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In no event shall consultant or client reliable for consequential special indirect incidental punitive or exemplary losses or damages related to this agreement.

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Episodes fraud or willful misconduct

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Consultant and or clients total aggregate liability arising out of or relating to this agreement shall not exceed three times the fees page of the client to the comes, you know.

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So there's a section there. I was looking at

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ethics and public contracting

442
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:50,560
See and this is in the packet if you wanted to review it as well. I feel I'll look at it closely to make

443
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:52,040
make sure with that lens and

444
00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:52,980
consideration.

445
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,420
We don't want to have an

446
00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:57,800
accounting error by

447
00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:59,160
totally agree.

448
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,140
Based on our history.

449
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:02,940
Thank you.

450
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:03,600
Great thought.

451
00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:04,160
Thank you.

452
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Any other questions or

453
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,380
discussion?

454
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:14,360
As part of them coming in

455
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,800
and this might address your

456
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,260
concern.

457
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:29,380
But their ability will be limited to viewing our ledger, so they will not physically be posting anything or doing any actual accounting that hits the ledger.

458
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,180
Any of, obviously, any recommendations they prepare.

459
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,060
Finance, you know, me and Jessica are controller.

460
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Like everything will be reviewed by us.

461
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,620
So if we were to review it and say, hey, this doesn't make sense.

462
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:47,920
that would obviously be a separate conversation with them, knowing the background of the firm,

463
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:52,580
and knowing the layers of review that their engagement will go through,

464
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:58,140
they don't anticipate that being an issue. But just kind of to provide that comfort level like

465
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:03,560
they're not going into our system and doing any sort of accounting or anything. They literally

466
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:09,880
have access to run reports to assist them in doing their work, but aren't actually doing any of

467
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:16,240
accounting. That still falls all in house. Thank you. Any other questions from the community on

468
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:21,800
this one? Okay. Seeing no other movement, we'll go ahead and move to vote all those in favour?

469
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:26,720
All right.

470
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:35,880
I'll the clerk read the next one whenever she's reading. 2026-138, pursuant to 30A, MRS, section 37,

471
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:42,640
D8-A4 authorize the town manager or their designated need to enter the real property located

472
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,640
at 142 Ridge Road, Brisbane to act to abate the trash and debris in the rear of such property

473
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:54,280
and to recover any actual indirect expenses incurred by the town in the abatement of the new

474
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:54,900
sense.

475
00:34:55,460 --> 00:35:03,560
All right, so before I entertain a motion here, our town attorney has provided suggested language

476
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,080
for the motion just to make sure that it's compliant with state law.

477
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,720
So I'll entertain the motion, read it out,

478
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,080
and then if somebody would like to make the motion, they may.

479
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:15,100
Just to provide context, this has to do with an ongoing cork case.

480
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:19,540
It's been going on for over a little over three years.

481
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,240
So all right, I'll entertain a motion that the town manager or their

482
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:28,900
designate pursuant to 3 AMRS 3758A4 is authorized to enter the real property

483
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,680
located at 143 Bridge Road, Lisbon, to act to abate the trash and debris

484
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,780
in the rear of such property, and to recover any actual and direct expenses incurred by the town,

485
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:39,700
and the abatement of the nuisance.

486
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:44,680
This authorization is made on the findings that Mr. Neseld did not remove all junk and

487
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:53,340
unregistered and unexpected motor vehicles, as defined by Section 70-614-D2 and 3A-MRS 3752.

488
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,260
Located on the real property and accordance with the schedule ordered by the court order

489
00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:07,740
in town of Lisbon versus Daniel Nesal, docket, number LEW, DC-CIV-2023-00293, and did not seek the

490
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:13,880
town in Fort Coding Force when officers consent for a specific one uninspected motor vehicle

491
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:20,800
that the parties agreed may remain, if agreed to, and did not convert an uninspected bus located

492
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,740
on the rail property to a trailer and actively use such trailer for the removal of junk and

493
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:29,920
material from the real property, and did not seek the town code enforcement officers consent

494
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,020
to extend the period for complying with any provision in the court order and did not obtain

495
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:38,980
a permit for the operation of a junkyard or automobile graveyard from the town council

496
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:42,400
in accordance with 30-A-M-R-S-37-53.

497
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:44,640
Do I have a motion?

498
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,440
Do I have a second?

499
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:51,930
So I can put this question.

500
00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:55,230
All right.

501
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:58,730
Sarah, did you... did there anything else that you wanted to add to the staff perspective?

502
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:03,450
I know that there's lots in the packet for us that we've...

503
00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:04,070
Just after review.

504
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:05,270
I have a question on this.

505
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:05,610
First place.

506
00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:09,670
So I know there's some going on a while, and I do appreciate the input.

507
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:12,610
The new input that we're getting on this.

508
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:14,810
Even...

509
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:18,270
One thing that's actually not on this is actually a timeframe, right?

510
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:24,850
So even if we, you know, go through, but actually they could be some ability to actually control

511
00:37:24,850 --> 00:37:29,310
when this actually happens, I mean, because it's simply just a process happening in place.

512
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:34,250
So I know this is something that doesn't work on a question time, and there has been a lot

513
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:36,130
of a cost already occurred.

514
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:42,070
So the idea that we vote in favor of this doesn't mean it has to happen tomorrow or next

515
00:37:42,070 --> 00:37:47,310
week, it actually is something that could actually be in place as a role, and then actually

516
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:52,670
And if things don't play out the way, you know, partially good, then it could just take effect.

517
00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:57,930
And I think that was one of the things that Liga was actually asking us last time.

518
00:37:58,070 --> 00:37:59,150
And I will answer the next step.

519
00:37:59,330 --> 00:38:00,270
And that's a good point.

520
00:38:00,290 --> 00:38:07,630
And I think, too, the way that the order is written, is that the term manager is authorized.

521
00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:09,590
It's not that the term manager is directed.

522
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:30,970
So now that obviously, you know, I'm kind of fortunate to, you know, change in, and matters with the family, and I'm sorry for your loss, that things have changed that certainly the time manager can work with that, but still have the ability with this order at some point in the future to act if things don't work out.

523
00:38:32,190 --> 00:38:39,050
I've got a question though, I've lived in town all my life and I've known all the family that's

524
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:43,890
up there and all that, but I know it's a nuisance and it's junkyard and all the stuff that's

525
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:48,610
up there, but what are we doing about Brookside Auto that's sitting up there on our account? Why

526
00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:53,770
aren't we getting all of the people that have nuisance stuff here, the guild's side place? Why are

527
00:38:53,770 --> 00:39:00,050
we just doing one? Why can't we just get something going with all of them? Because right up at the

528
00:39:00,050 --> 00:39:06,150
This has been loosened in town line, it's a dump up there, and that's it for, I think just

529
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:11,590
what what we can do is, Sarah, if you wouldn't mind maybe getting a brief together for the

530
00:39:11,590 --> 00:39:16,230
council just on the other ongoing litigation that we have, that's in the same nature,

531
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:17,510
that would be helpful.

532
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:22,490
I'm known to me, but right, I just, I just, I just, I fall on to get it all cleaned up,

533
00:39:22,810 --> 00:39:29,550
not just, you know, I had asked previously for all legal cases, and so we're working on it,

534
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:38,630
Obviously. Good to know. I just had a pass. Council of actually invited to move forward

535
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:44,570
on very similar items like this and given year to it actually still work through the details.

536
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:49,590
So again, I don't think it's just because it gets voted for in the favourites night doesn't mean

537
00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:52,030
that something's going to happen in their future really quickly.

538
00:39:52,990 --> 00:39:56,670
It's one of those things where we've been explained by Council.

539
00:39:56,670 --> 00:40:04,890
I leave a council a lot of times it and that's a progression of the court environment that's would be the next step as far as, you know, our

540
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:11,810
Publications of a council if we were if it were still in front of us. So again, I think one of the things that I would

541
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:18,070
I would recommend is and if we do vote in favor of this tonight that we still do work with parties to make sure that

542
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:22,190
Evolve all ability to actually get it done with by their own means

543
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:26,420
speaking for me and

544
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:52,920
I have trust issues with the town of Lisbon, as I feel many, so for me, the easiest boat I ever get is when I authorize to do more, but the harder boat is whether we should, and I don't think we should as a town authorize our town manager, that's just me.

545
00:40:55,290 --> 00:41:01,390
But before I'll go to the audience in a second but I'll just make sure that we're all good on this side first and then I'll click I'll get you guys in

546
00:41:01,870 --> 00:41:02,050
Councillor.

547
00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:05,090
So the only question I would have would kind of be coming off to what firms out there.

548
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:08,590
There is no timeline right in this.

549
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:13,910
So considering the change that we've heard tonight over the last time we got an update to this,

550
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:21,090
where we have a party who's now trying to do things on their own but still needs to hear from some of the other courts.

551
00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:25,390
not sort of thing, does it hurt us to just table this to a later meeting?

552
00:41:25,850 --> 00:41:26,730
Now it's going to be my question.

553
00:41:27,350 --> 00:41:29,370
Do we have to take action from a timeline perspective?

554
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:32,350
I mean, I don't want to put you on this posture.

555
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:34,050
I don't know if you know from a legal perspective.

556
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:39,030
But I'm aware of, I mean, I think there might be other parts in pieces.

557
00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:47,510
I personally would rather give just a little bit of time to work directly with you to figure out

558
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:51,750
timeline of, you know, when we're expecting to see additional movement, he's only been

559
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:55,770
making control of things there for a month. I feel like this has been going on for a long, long

560
00:41:55,770 --> 00:42:00,330
time. So, where there's been a recent change, I don't know that we need to make a decision on this

561
00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:06,510
tonight. And if we don't, I'd rather wait until we see either it's going the way that we want it to,

562
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:11,870
or it's not. Yeah. Oh, it was like that. It's missed and these all come up again. That's some

563
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:12,710
question please

564
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,260
so can you assure us that this is actually going to happen in

565
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:26,020
Probeco and you know if it is your chance to know either way oh so I was the

566
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:29,820
Guardian and I had limited executive power when you passed away I lost that

567
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:34,960
power so I only had power for 30 days and then you died. I filed for personal

568
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,920
representative and I had the endorsement of two of the years obviously my

569
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:48,040
They're going to issue us another date, but he would have to file payed $15,000,000 fee,

570
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:52,680
go to court as soon as I was already happy with him. He signed over the property into his name,

571
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:58,420
which he's not supposed to do as a power of attorney. He's taken $100,000 of thousands of dollars

572
00:42:58,420 --> 00:43:04,160
and money from Daniel through the logging knee to $180,000, through the sale of the property in

573
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,660
that Daniel had no idea about he got 298,000, and in that time he could have cleaned up the

574
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:13,880
bumper. He easily could have came in and cleaned up the bumper. In the 30 days that I had the

575
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,040
power, I had my brother over there, not working over there every day, pulling stuff out of the ground,

576
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,740
doing cutting down trees, making it accessible for us to pull off stuff. Then my father said,

577
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:28,600
they're taking valuable junk, we were scrapping metal, we were pulling out of the ground,

578
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:33,460
putting it into account for Daniel in his name, not using the funds because I had no ability to use the

579
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:38,080
And the time that I was personal representative, I put $30,000 in his bank account.

580
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,620
I have 20,000 more sitting waiting from the water company to dump into fixing that property.

581
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:45,400
All right, my hands are tight.

582
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,940
Right now it's in limbo.

583
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,800
My father is not going to get the money together to be personal representative.

584
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,900
He doesn't have the endorsements of either of his siblings.

585
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,140
I'm a hardworking man.

586
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,020
I am an old business.

587
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,560
I will go on and clean up.

588
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,660
I run an excavator.

589
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:01,680
I've done construction my whole life.

590
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:08,300
I wasn't aware until a productive service is called me so as we couldn't get a hold of your father for three weeks now. Your uncle's dying

591
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:10,320
He needs care. I stepped in

592
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:16,080
They gave me permission to get an accounting. I found that he stole four hundred fifty thousand dollars with the name of his money

593
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:22,500
And he hasn't he's been he's been acquiring junk putting it on to the property. He hasn't made an effort to clean up the property

594
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:27,160
I know that it's not valued at much now, but if I were to clean up the property

595
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:39,140
I mean, that's for the town to be able to come and pick apples and have a farmer's market and get this back into like a functioning, you know, a functioning property. I mean, my family's been a staple of the community for a long time.

596
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:49,460
We settled here many years ago and we might, my uncle was a big part of the council, he was involved very much in coming in here and being very involved involving the planning for the water infrastructure.

597
00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:59,980
I just don't think it's fair that within 30 days of indian it's up for meeting for us to put our tax dollars into to take his property and my father I had no

598
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:10,480
I thought the poppy got sold and I found out when I went through the record, he sold the poppy. He spent all the money. He loved all the poppy to the checks all in his name.

599
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:14,580
And he spent all the money he'd never paid any of the taxes on it, and he added junk to the poppy.

600
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:20,160
He bought colonics boxes, sheds. He's done nothing but make it harder and if I believe that.

601
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:26,800
I mean, he's had three orders to fix up the poppy and get cleaned up. He ignored all of them. I understand where you guys are coming from.

602
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:33,720
I have the funds, as soon as I have access to the funds, I don't see it taking me more than 90 days to clean up property.

603
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:41,980
I mean, I run heavy equipment, I have ties with the owner of Easy Rental, he's willing to give us a discount rate for the estateers,

604
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:46,280
and all the town had made an offer with him to lower the funds down to some of my $15,000.

605
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,680
You know, it's yet to find a hundred dollars a day right now, and I can't do anything. I want to.

606
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:59,480
You know, I had done work over there at a time that I've been, well, I don't see a problem in tableing this for

607
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:05,520
just until I become personal representative. I can get you guys at a agreement. I mean, I don't know what to do.

608
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:12,380
I'm kind of like a lot of things I had about this because it's my family's land, you know. It's been in our family for hundreds of years. I want to keep it that way.

609
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:18,160
So I guess to follow up on that. So litigation could, could possibly take quite a while.

610
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:27,200
It could and I don't think that even if you guys did make this judgment today, you guys don't have a projected time when it's going to take, you don't have a projected policy on what it's going to take.

611
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,960
And Kobe's still going to hold you guys up and all I should do certain things with the property.

612
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:37,280
So I mean, I've only had power of 30 days, I don't have any power anymore, I'll be up front and clear about that.

613
00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:41,920
I filed the paperwork, I'll get a hearing, most likely that day they will grant you permission.

614
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,220
then I will have to get a bond. The bond will allow me to cover the properties of state and

615
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:51,800
cover insurance in case I mismanage it for any reason. That will not happen. I plan to

616
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,680
clean up the property, winter is the only thing that could hold me up. If we hit into a big

617
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,920
hard winter, it's going to be a lot harder for me to clean that property up. But by summer of next

618
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,220
year, that will be a completely different property. The logging money has been known in the

619
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:11,280
I was just in there waiting to fix the property and I just I would

620
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,840
I would for you guys give me a chance, you know, like I'm sorry for my father, you know, like he's

621
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,860
I don't really talk to me, and so like I'm doing the best I can you don't have to apologize for your parents

622
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:26,600
So you know like that I just I just want it from clean my case

623
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:32,700
You guys, you know, like I can clean that up, you know, and and I have been cleaning it up when I have the authority to do

624
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,440
I'd rather want to go next

625
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,700
Yeah, I just

626
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:41,860
I ate, and I was on the council before, I served with y'all, I'm hoping to go.

627
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,260
Yeah, and he was, I'm one of the committees that I used to come to a lot of time.

628
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,280
And I, and I know the whole history.

629
00:47:51,460 --> 00:47:55,600
So, I'm wanting to extend it for a short period of time.

630
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,120
I've got one question.

631
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:59,540
Who are the squatters at all?

632
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:00,200
Look, that's right.

633
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,200
Who are the squatters at all on your property?

634
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:07,400
I have done it was completely departmented. I passed for them to help me. I've done everything.

635
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:14,380
I've gone to the police department. He said that my father gave them rights to live there and that they're tenets now and that I came up

636
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:23,240
cross past them. Where was your father? The father is my father's drug addict and he runs right there on the down and I don't know

637
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,940
where he is or what he's doing. He does sometimes he doesn't have a phone.

638
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:29,320
No, everything is in perspective now.

639
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:33,020
Yeah, you know, like when I went and became personal represented,

640
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:34,320
I went to the Lisbon community.

641
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,060
Both, both sectors, they started chronic.

642
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,820
They said, thank God, you know, we've denied him so many times.

643
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:41,980
He shows up at your uncle Daniel, swaps him out of the track.

644
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,480
There's junkies in it out, you know, we've turned them like,

645
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,100
I'm trying to do what I can, but I just don't want to fight the town.

646
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,800
You know, and me and my father are not the same person,

647
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:54,700
and I'm here to work with the town, get a cleaned up,

648
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:58,960
And show you guys that, it can be a good part of the community again.

649
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:06,660
So Sarah, or Chris, or whoever we can answer the question on this, do we have to release

650
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:12,700
what we've got as a lean on that though, because I heard him speak about couldn't do anything

651
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:14,560
because we've got it under a lean.

652
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:17,720
Is that one of the issues other than just probate?

653
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,500
No, the issue is that he passed away.

654
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:27,000
And initially I was granted limited executive ship and it's typical and probate they want you to get in the counting of everything

655
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,120
Before they're just going to say this person has access to spend these funds and that makes sense and I I

656
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,060
Month to do it and I had to look for data turned in the accounting and they passed away

657
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,020
So I had to start a whole new process. I don't have access to money

658
00:49:39,020 --> 00:49:42,680
I don't have access to attorneys if the probate is not a simple now

659
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,860
I've been doing this all the paperwork all the packets. It's a time off of work

660
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:49,640
thousands of dollars invested it was nine hundred dollars just a file for first and a

661
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:56,260
representative. I don't see why we can't hold off a little bit either. I'm 67 years old

662
00:49:56,260 --> 00:50:01,320
and I don't think it's changed much in my 67 years. I don't know if another person is going to.

663
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,260
It literally wasn't in some migrant migrant. It got to mention that these fines started

664
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:12,560
to crewing and within the short period of time was higher than it is now, which is a 115,000

665
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,300
and before it was up 200 or something.

666
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,120
And I know that the guys that negotiate it down,

667
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:18,860
but it's your talking about charging my family $100,000

668
00:50:18,860 --> 00:50:19,640
for an iceberg.

669
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,800
And that I understand that that was my father's agreement.

670
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,080
And I loved this real-pinit.

671
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,100
And this is just, so you guys can work with me.

672
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:28,300
And we can try to fit this on top.

673
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,420
Because I don't have the funds to pay $150,000.

674
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,580
Clean up the estate.

675
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:35,740
And you know, without working the sale of the property.

676
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:38,740
And I believe that I can clean it up.

677
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:40,060
And I can get the house of praise.

678
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:42,420
And I can get it worth more money.

679
00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:46,200
than what it's prof, but it's not yet now.

680
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:49,260
Any other questions on this side of the table?

681
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,500
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing.

682
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,700
The humility it takes to stand up there.

683
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,900
Anyway, it shows a lot of light on where the situation is.

684
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,080
This is not what government should be doing.

685
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:05,060
Getting on this.

686
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,580
I just wanted to say for the record, there's no

687
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:10,940
leans that we see on that property.

688
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:15,920
We saw the attorney since he found out I had filed for some represented the leaders with

689
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,200
filed.

690
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:20,320
He sent in paperwork to all my family members and I know that across money.

691
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:24,280
I received four packets since in the month that I have been for some representative.

692
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,260
And I know every time that he does that or he talks to a council member, he's billing

693
00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:28,960
out those hours.

694
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,620
When I started and I got that first packet, it was $4,800 in legal fees.

695
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:36,820
And I know it's probably doubled by now.

696
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:40,020
And $100 a day since I was personal representative.

697
00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:44,740
That pile is a quick, I'm doing the best scan out of my own pocket.

698
00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:47,980
I do also run my own business by myself, you know what I mean, one of the first

699
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:49,060
in.

700
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,260
And I've done all my funds in it.

701
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:54,740
I've missed mortgage payments, I'm trying to save the land for my family.

702
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:55,740
I'm all set.

703
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:56,540
This isn't for me.

704
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,060
This is to make my family whole and do the set them up for the rest of the lives.

705
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,880
And there's 115 acres there.

706
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:06,740
I could put a kit on every acre for the next five generations if I wanted to.

707
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:13,780
Um, you know what, I just, I was, I was, I was, why come and tell you guys what's going on and tell you my side of the story.

708
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:20,780
I'm sure, um, so if, if we're good on this side, is there anybody else in the community that wanted to share their thoughts or questions?

709
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:22,620
My relative, Brandon.

710
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:24,880
I have Brandon these all.

711
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:32,260
I just wanted to say, I don't know if everyone knows here, but what my brother was, um, server,

712
00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:40,080
I have a limited conservator, a lawyer, I'll audition the probate court, intervene on this matter.

713
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:41,880
Yeah, vision was denied.

714
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,720
And now that probate case is ended, they put this up for judgment in the property.

715
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:51,960
While it's in limbo, which is a very vulnerable place for that property be.

716
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,600
So to give someone power like this, while it's in this vulnerable state,

717
00:52:56,180 --> 00:53:02,140
I think is a lot of trust in a town that I think a lot of people have lost

718
00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:09,980
trust it. I think that it could just be table until, you know, it's down under the eyes

719
00:53:09,980 --> 00:53:17,080
of the court in the appropriate court, so they can manage the whole side.

720
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,080
I think that fits your motion to table.

721
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,000
I want to, yeah.

722
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:22,420
Okay.

723
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,300
There's a second.

724
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:24,720
I'm going to buy counter-tergent.

725
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,220
I'll open favor of tabling the order before us.

726
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:33,000
Thank you.

727
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:39,600
Okay.

728
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:43,020
In the last item of the evening.

729
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,800
I've been related to Winter Housing Street,

730
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,860
so see it's a little sea land transfer.

731
00:53:49,460 --> 00:53:49,640
Okay.

732
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:59,000
So I feel like as more and more people get interested about this topic, it's an opportunity

733
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:06,260
for us to share facts and educate and try to make sure that everybody is on the same page

734
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:13,940
in terms of what's happened and when we do have some new information from staff that Sarah

735
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:19,480
will share, but just to kind of tee it up to provide some context for the community and those who

736
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:25,000
kind of just tuning into this issue or our teacher, what's going on, you know, as it was

737
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,540
previously mentioned this evening and certainly lots of people have noted that the

738
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:35,320
community that this development is being, you know, potentially proposed for is limited

739
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:35,860
residential.

740
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:43,600
It's designed by our community, by this council, with land uses and zoning for single family.

741
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:50,600
And so what happened was in 2022, the main legislature passed a landmark housing bill called

742
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:58,600
LV 2003, which forced every community in Maine to update their land uses to allow mixed use,

743
00:54:59,460 --> 00:55:03,000
or excuse me, not mixed use, cruelty family, the other end word.

744
00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:09,420
Multi-family developments in a zone like limited residential.

745
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:14,460
And so we updated our land use and our zoning to comply with state law.

746
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:20,320
There are other kind of, I put them in air quotes, bonuses depending on who you're,

747
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:28,060
what's side of the table you're on, which allow for additional density bonuses, height bonuses,

748
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,720
and things of that nature, if it's for affordable housing.

749
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,920
And that's per the state law.

750
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:43,300
Now, that happened in about 2022, a couple of years later the town updated its land uses and zoning

751
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,800
laws ordinances to comply with state law, and so around that time that the developer and

752
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,220
question started to indicate that they were interested in putting a development on that property.

753
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:03,380
Last year, they approached the town council, and there was an order that was approved last May.

754
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:15,600
to essentially authorize a deal with the developer and an exchange for approximately 1.2 acres that the developer would use for

755
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:21,820
to gain a density bonus but also to have a second egress on the property for fire safety reasons.

756
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,380
The town would have a community space in one of the buildings in perpetuity for our exclusive use.

757
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,480
And that was approved in May with a 60 vote.

758
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:41,440
And so now I think more visibility has brought this project to the forefront,

759
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:48,360
even though the developer has still technically not even submitted an official proposal to the town for review.

760
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,560
Everything up until now has been kind of hypothetical.

761
00:56:50,560 --> 00:57:00,560
But there's been some journal articles and a lot of movement and with the community in trying to learn more about this and get involved and I applaud that 100%.

762
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:08,900
And so at our last meeting, as more folks from the community and from that neighborhood have kind of reached out and said,

763
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:12,560
kind of the question we urge tonight, what can the council do about it? What's going to happen?

764
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:20,540
The question that we asked staff last at our last meeting, particularly for some of our new counselors who are just kind of walking into this.

765
00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:26,060
like a lot of members in the community are was, you know, what has happened up until now

766
00:57:26,060 --> 00:57:31,480
and what options does the council have to do anything about this?

767
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,280
And so, that's where I'll pass it over to Sarah where the question in particular was, this agreement

768
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,520
that we entered into supposedly, this agreement that we voted on.

769
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,140
I'll put it that way.

770
00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:47,600
The agreement that the council voted on last year in May, is it binding in any way?

771
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,960
And do we have the ability to withdraw from it?

772
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,680
and that's where I'll turn it over to Sarah.

773
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,020
So do you want to go through the,

774
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,580
what might come next week?

775
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,300
So I just, if you want to share kind of,

776
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,960
your findings based on what you've looked up

777
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,820
in conversations that you've had.

778
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,740
Let me just get my thoughts together on that.

779
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,200
No problem.

780
00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:12,340
I mean, I'm more than happy to summarize it

781
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:13,400
if I'm putting you on this bot.

782
00:58:13,540 --> 00:58:17,020
I've got my memo that is just kind of

783
00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:18,340
compile the big things.

784
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:21,140
So so far, there's been regarding

785
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:28,220
realty resources or this one, sorry, or the Winter Street Housing Project. There's been no updated

786
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:34,080
development proposal submitted to the Planning Board, no active planning board review is underway.

787
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,960
No agreement has been formalized or presented to the Council for review, and there's no timeline

788
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,680
for Project Advancement provided by the developer and despite our efforts to reach out to them.

789
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,760
And I'm not taking a position one way or another and just giving you the facts, despite my reaching out

790
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,760
We do not have any information to share.

791
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,520
So, would it go further into that?

792
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,240
Yeah, so I guess just to really cut to the chase, if it's my understanding that based on

793
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,020
the research that you've done, that the council has kind of the flexibility here to withdraw

794
00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:10,220
from this agreement that we voted on last year.

795
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:10,820
That's right.

796
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:18,420
So, withdraw the town managers, I wasn't here at that time, there's a number of things that

797
00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:25,200
and then for a couple of those reasons, you could with revoked my authorization place on the

798
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,660
town manager at the time, not myself. And so that would probably be my recommendation.

799
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,420
Yeah, and so the language in the order last year was essentially to authorize the town manager

800
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:40,400
to enter into this agreement. No agreement has been entered into. The authorization is still out there,

801
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:48,220
and so where we have the flexibility to withdraw that authorization and if we want to

802
00:59:48,820 --> 00:59:52,880
reviewed in the future we can if we want to not have it at all that's also a possibility.

803
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,420
So that being said I think my direction that I'd like to take is

804
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,360
Knowing this now, I didn't want to put an order on the agenda for tonight, because I wanted everybody on both sides of this table, this day as whatever you want to call it, to absorb this information.

805
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:29,580
And I think what I'd like to do is have an order on our council meeting for August 11th with the order being to withdraw that authorization. That way it gives plenty of time for members in the community to show up, to share their, you know, whether it's, you know, their in favor or against it for whatever reason, who knows.

806
01:00:29,580 --> 01:00:36,720
But it just, there's no surprises. There's plenty of time to show up and share their opinion and we're not kind of rushing anything through.

807
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:42,180
So that's what I'd like to do is to place it on the agenda to withdraw that authorization on the August 11th meeting.

808
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,800
I don't know if any Councillors have any questions or commentary.

809
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:49,360
Okay, what would happen if we do this?

810
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,760
It's one way and the other doesn't make any damage to me, but if you do this, then let's say,

811
01:00:56,020 --> 01:01:00,180
well, don't work with whatever, go to the state, the state comes and says, yeah, you can't do that.

812
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:07,520
So I think at this point, the level of state involvement, the level of state involvement that the

813
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:14,620
state has and legislature has is really kind of overruling our, what's called the Home Rule Act.

814
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:19,540
The home relaxed and main gives a lot of power to municipalities to pretty much do whatever the state.

815
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:20,740
It's almost like the tenth amendment.

816
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:24,000
Whatever the state doesn't talk about, we have the ability to do.

817
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:28,640
And so the home relaxed gives municipalities a lot of power to do things like land use,

818
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,820
as it's zoning and things like that.

819
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,660
Right, and so this landmark housing legislation is essentially stripping array,

820
01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:40,180
some of those home rules, you know, powers that we have as municipalities as you control,

821
01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:41,340
what happens in our community.

822
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:54,880
And so when we talk about the news and we look at all these things, you know, bipartisan approaches to fixing the housing crisis, this is the next stage in the pipeline of that conversation when we talk about that.

823
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:59,480
So it's kind of, it's interesting to see it in context how it affects our community.

824
01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:08,860
But to your point, me personally and I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I don't see the state coming in and saying, no, you can't withdraw from that agreement.

825
01:02:08,860 --> 01:02:11,840
That's, it was our, it was our latitude to enter into it in the first place.

826
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:27,920
It's our latitude to exit, that's kind of how I see it, but Uncle Charlie and then whoever else I would say that in my short time on the council I'm always surprised at how meetings tend to have a theme and this one has been about rebuilding trust.

827
01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:36,100
And so I think that putting it on the agenda for August 11th could maybe help rebuild the trust so that that discussion can happen in front of everyone.

828
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:38,080
I'd be in favor of that.

829
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:38,240
Yeah.

830
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,240
I'd be in favor of that, too.

831
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:46,820
I think it's just, there was a question mentioned earlier that I don't think was really addressed that.

832
01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:57,080
I think it's worthwhile and I think as far as when it comes to the property that the town does not, does not allow to grant.

833
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,640
I mean, I think that's full control of the council, right?

834
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:07,400
as this actually a town town item. The idea of if the developer was coming back and I have

835
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,940
a smaller project and had nothing to do with the council, the council wouldn't have any

836
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:15,640
per viewer to matter at all. I mean we could not stop it if it actually went to plan and

837
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,460
board and then went to and checked all the boxes and planned and board it would never come to

838
01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:23,640
the council. Council wouldn't have any authority to say yes or no on that. I mean that's one of

839
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:29,280
things that the checks and balances we have don't climb over to plan and board plan and board

840
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,740
Or rules us when it comes to those type items.

841
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,620
But a lot of the questions you're asking about,

842
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,420
water flow, drainage, utilities.

843
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:39,400
Those are the boxes of planable.

844
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,620
It actually goes through in checks.

845
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,460
And it's actually, we have a pretty thorough plan of board

846
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:45,280
and the process is having place.

847
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,200
So we have planers that actually work with plan of board

848
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,620
to make sure those boxes all get checked.

849
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:52,720
The hardest thing is if they are able to meet all the requirements

850
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,540
and the fits within the town standards,

851
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,560
the council really has no purview to say yes or no.

852
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,700
I mean, the idea of the piece of property, the idea of whether the town allows that

853
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:01,940
not.

854
01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:03,320
I mean, that is us.

855
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:10,460
But when it comes to just a regular project that meets requirements, the council, that's

856
01:04:10,460 --> 01:04:14,240
when the state would come in if we tried to overrule something that actually was allowed.

857
01:04:15,620 --> 01:04:20,240
And, again, I just wanted to mention that earlier, what the council had control over, it

858
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,380
is certain items.

859
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:26,240
But not the idea of the plan of what is definitely the control and factor in the town when

860
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,680
comes the idea of permitting uses and I got to say they actually do a good job and unfortunately

861
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,780
a lot of this process hasn't gone through planning board yet, so you really haven't seen

862
01:04:34,780 --> 01:04:35,820
any of those answers.

863
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:42,360
Before I call you, I just want to second Tony and this is in any other conversation on the

864
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,240
side before I.

865
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:44,060
Okay.

866
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:44,780
You wouldn't mind coming up.

867
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:45,560
I'd love to.

868
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:49,800
So I just want to mention that there are two orders, so when we're talking about this

869
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,640
just to be clear for what we'll do next time we're going to discuss two orders.

870
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,920
One was February 10th, 2025, and one was May 13th, 2025,

871
01:04:57,940 --> 01:05:02,420
the thing when something for them, and they'll be in my memo in the next meeting.

872
01:05:02,860 --> 01:05:03,500
So you come up to them.

873
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:04,160
Thank you.

874
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:04,620
Right.

875
01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:10,020
And just to summarize, the first order was to authorize staff to explore an agreement.

876
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,000
And then the second order was to authorize the time manager or staff to enter into the agreement.

877
01:05:15,260 --> 01:05:19,180
And so we're essentially kind of withdrawing all of that if we, if we so choose.

878
01:05:19,780 --> 01:05:22,220
So we're going to have a discussion to do so.

879
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,000
I just want to say thank you first because I've recently very open and listening and it's

880
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,480
I'm waiting to see it's my first experience with the government.

881
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,680
My question to you Chris because seems seem to have a handle on this ordinance.

882
01:05:34,780 --> 01:05:38,060
My understanding of what the state brought down in you said 2023.

883
01:05:38,460 --> 01:05:38,840
I'm not mistaken.

884
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:39,880
2022 yeah.

885
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:40,220
Okay.

886
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:47,040
My understanding was that you're no longer allowed in the town to limit multifamily units.

887
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,960
Now multifamily unit by definition is up to four units.

888
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:55,180
in the ordinance that this is my understanding you can I'm going to lay it out and you tell me what I got wrong.

889
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:02,240
My understanding was that the town of Lisbon then voted to allow that because they had to up to four

890
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:07,300
and then they also added another section on top of that which they weren't legally bound to do

891
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:10,540
which is that if a developer wanted to do something bigger than four

892
01:06:11,540 --> 01:06:17,660
they would it would then be up to the planning bar and this is the purpose. This is the part of the process that I had such a problem with

893
01:06:17,660 --> 01:06:22,880
Because what they did when they said that is that basically the planning board, and they said it's up to the planning board.

894
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:31,760
But then if the private developer meets all of the obligations put upon and by the state, which is traffic, water, et cetera, et cetera.

895
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:37,400
The planning board no longer has the power just like I heard from you, that they no longer have the power to stop it.

896
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:40,140
They can only look at the ordinance and make a decision.

897
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:47,780
So my thinking or my question to this board is legally a state requires you to have up to four.

898
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:53,200
We put a clause or you put a clause in it that says you can have more larger development.

899
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,600
At some point, as long as this is approved by the planning board,

900
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,020
could we rescind or back that ordinance up to meet the state requirement i.e. four.

901
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:08,700
Now the 223 gives you a 2.5x on whatever development is allowed.

902
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:13,800
that would be four units times 2.5 puts you at 10 units. The bell

903
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,080
is asking you for 40. So they're leaning on an ordinance that isn't

904
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:22,420
state requirement that the town of Lisbon gave to the put as an

905
01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:26,880
ordinance. I believe it was in 20. I'm not I can't late lock down on my

906
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:33,040
bad head. When I was voted on Chris, maybe you have it. So the what you're

907
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,740
talking about is essentially a conditional use permit where the planning

908
01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:39,800
work and can say, you know, about them beyond whatever the minimum is.

909
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:45,580
And so there's, um, if I'm just kind of quoting from our land use table here,

910
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:49,940
uh, there is a little kind of an asterisk on that, or it says, um,

911
01:07:50,340 --> 01:07:54,060
multi-family dwellings containing more than four units require a conditional use permit.

912
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:59,600
And less, those units are designated as an affordable housing density bonus, and accordance with

913
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:06,600
So that's where the state trumps the conditional use permit.

914
01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:11,880
Okay, but by understanding it, so you're seeing that that MRM RS, I think,

915
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:12,340
catches food.

916
01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:13,440
Yeah, it's the state statute.

917
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,680
43 states statute.

918
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,780
As long as it's public housing.

919
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,460
If it's, if it's designated as a affordable housing, it's no longer limited to four.

920
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:23,100
Right.

921
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:23,900
Right.

922
01:08:23,900 --> 01:08:25,040
I misunderstood that part.

923
01:08:25,060 --> 01:08:26,300
Thanks for the clarity.

924
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,140
That's quite heavy handed.

925
01:08:28,140 --> 01:08:37,420
in my opinion from the state to say that somebody who's been single-family, the entire history of the town can now get a massive

926
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,540
whole of the housing development. It's a very gross. Thank you.

927
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:50,140
That's just later. Any other questions or comments from the community? I know this is obviously this is a big deal for us.

928
01:08:50,380 --> 01:08:54,180
So I want to make sure we have an opportunity for everybody to share and be heard and

929
01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:59,180
And that sort of thing, if there's any other questions out there that we can answer, we can go back and find answers to.

930
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:01,900
I'd love to do that.

931
01:09:03,220 --> 01:09:05,840
Would you say, I want to echo some of the concerns.

932
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:08,280
My wife said to each other, I'm a husband school department.

933
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:11,900
They cannot take another single kid, let alone 50.

934
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:13,660
They just can't.

935
01:09:13,780 --> 01:09:14,640
I'm just going to say it.

936
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:15,620
She won't say it.

937
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:16,200
I will.

938
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:18,920
No.

939
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:19,680
No more.

940
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:27,660
So we'll go ahead and move forward with putting that order on the agenda for August 11th.

941
01:09:29,060 --> 01:09:34,760
to an order to revoke the authorization for those two orders and we'll have the discussion at that time and a vote.

942
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,540
And we'll make sure that if you're listening in and you're not here and you're listening.

943
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:44,620
I'm pointing up at the camera and you want to come in and share your thoughts on this subject.

944
01:09:44,780 --> 01:09:47,360
We would welcome you to come in at that time.

945
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,680
So before we adjourn any other thoughts on anything else on the housing piece,

946
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,000
we'll make sure I don't cut anybody off.

947
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,340
So, all right, anything else from this side?

948
01:09:58,860 --> 01:10:01,320
I'm missing Karen Stevens from Lisbon Falls.

949
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:02,040
Exactly.

950
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:03,180
I had something to say.

951
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:05,640
All right.

952
01:10:06,260 --> 01:10:06,780
Love you, Karen.

953
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:07,780
I'm giving you the look.

954
01:10:08,580 --> 01:10:08,760
All right.

955
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,600
Thank you, too.

956
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,020
And I thank you for that.

957
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:12,500
I needed to smile today.

958
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:13,360
Thank you.

959
01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:14,360
Thank you.

960
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:14,700
All right.

961
01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:17,000
With no more business coming before Council

962
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,000
let entertain a motion to adjourn.

963
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:19,320
Second.

964
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,120
I need to buy Councillor Garnett.

965
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:22,940
Hello, is it a favor?

966
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:24,800
We are adjourned.

967
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,400
That's 720, and I did thank you.

968
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,830
You've done well.

969
01:10:34,110 --> 01:10:34,910
It's time for this job.

970
01:10:35,650 --> 01:10:36,470
I've done this.

971
01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:37,750
That's great.

972
01:10:38,230 --> 01:10:40,630
This thing is a seven o'clock share service.

973
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:44,290
Or actually overran it.