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Right. Uh, call the order the village

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board meeting uh for the village of

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Lisbon on Wednesday, August 12th, 2026,

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6:31. Uh, roll call please.

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>> President Gerky

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>> here.

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>> Trusty Monin

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>> here.

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>> Trusty Bomb

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>> here.

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>> Trustee Quinn

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>> here.

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>> Trustee Field

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>> here. Administrator Green

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>> here.

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>> And clerk Capasel.

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We'll stand for the pledge of allegiance

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and a moment of silence.

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Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right. Uh item three are citizen

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comments. Um are there any citizens here

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that wish to speak?

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Anyone on Zoom?

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>> No one present on Zoom.

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>> All right. Um then we'll move on to the

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uh item four which is the consent

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agenda. Uh these items can be approved

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in one motion unless the trustee

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requests that they be consider any of

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them separately.

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All right. So, is there a motion on them

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all or do we wish to pull something off?

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>> Make a motion to approve the or approve

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the consent agenda.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> I second.

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>> Any discussion?

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Hearing none. All those in favor say I.

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>> I. I.

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>> Say nay. Motion carries 5.

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Uh item five uh A is to authorize the

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payment of the one quick bills uh dated

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July 23rd amount of $2,13466.

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» Moved as presented.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> A second.

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>> Any discussion?

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Hearing none. All those in favor say I.

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>> I.

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>> Oppos say nay. Motion carries 40. Uh

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item 5B is authorized payment of the

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remaining bills dated July 23rd uh in

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the amount of $39,319.554

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and on August 6th for $170,32544.

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Uh top five expenditures from July 23rd

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are US Bank credit card for $151,79427,

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Walker County Treasure in the amount of

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$89,573.15,

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Funk Engineering for $15,8485,

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uh Village of Sussex for $14,171.58

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and of Weiss Law Office for $6,716.96.

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Top five expenditures for August 13th

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are $36,193.15

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per building inspection, $20,3671

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to Kungpull engineering, $17,500 for

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Carrick Holmes, $8,8646

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to both infrastructure and $8,17244

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to Guthther and Fry.

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All right. Is there a motion?

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>> Make a motion to approve the remaining

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bills.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Any discussion?

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It's hearing none. All those in favor

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say I.

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>> I.

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>> Post say nay.

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>> Motion carries 5.

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Uh item six is announcements and

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correspondence. Um the public works and

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utility committee

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will meet on Wednesday, August 19th at

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5:00 here at the village hall. Um the

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public hearing and plan commission

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meeting on Wednesday, August 26 at 6:30

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at the Richard Young Fire Station.

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Uh that public hearing, Lisa, is that

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what type of public hearing?

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>> Not commission public hearing.

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>> Not a joint public hearing.

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Um and then uh Labor Day uh September

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7th, we are uh closed. All village

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departments are closed for the holiday.

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Uh parks committee next meets uh on

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Wednesday uh September 9th at 5.

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>> We were going to NYX that meeting.

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>> Because I'm out of town and a couple of

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the other members weren't going to be

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there. So we're going to cancel that

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one.

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>> Okay. All right. Um,

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so then, uh, the next village board

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meeting is, uh, Wednesday, September 9th

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at 6:30 here at the village hall.

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Any other announcements or

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correspondents that need to be noted?

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Now, we'll move on to Dan, your

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administrator's report.

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Um, so Tamarak Road is uh completed and

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obviously I haven't driven down that

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road, but Matt, you have. I don't know.

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>> Shouldering and all that is complete or

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>> Yeah, I mean it's there's I mean the

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shouldering it's going to settle some

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and it's I I don't like the way it

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turned out with with uh I mean people

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cutting the grass is is is it stinks but

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>> and the they kind of butchered the uh

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>> the line the striping it I mean but

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hopefully it fades well.

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projects like that obviously the the

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road comes up a good three or four

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inches sometimes.

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overlay. But

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>> isn't there the there a yellow line just

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around the corner though?

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>> I was surprised at that. But I guess

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they need it for a curve.

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>> It was there before. Um but yeah, it was

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there before, but they but they they put

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it in and then didn't put it in right.

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doesn't Yeah.

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>> Did they remove the portage, John?

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Um just an update to the board and that

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you you all have heard but Natasha our

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treasurer she was gone from Lisbon. Um

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so she served the village for over seven

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years. So thank her for um her time

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spent here in Lisbon. Uh currently we're advertising the position. Um we

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have four applicants so far. We have it

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posted for another 10 days. Um at this

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point I'm serving as the active

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treasurer uh but trying not to become

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signers on anything has to be conflict

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for anything. So uh using Elisa when I

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need to have a signer to authorize

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things. So uh hopefully I don't um you

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know do anything terrible but I we'll get through it. So um if you have

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any questions feel free to contact me.

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So um and then we're working on I'm

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working on the prelim preliminary

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budget. Um, we're getting net new

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construction estimates in. We're getting

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WA County Sheriff budgets estimates in.

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department. I think we're close. Um, so,

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uh, budget's coming along pretty well. I

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did share the list of board priorities

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from the last meeting with architecture.

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so they're working on that engineering

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design. Um, the next step in that

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process. Um, and just one more final

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reminder that this is the last week that

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you'll have packets printed and next

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month there will be none. So, bring your

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laptops.

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>> There will be none. So, bring bring your

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laptops.

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» So, I have to print it from home

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was assigned a village laptop. So, I

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think the point of us doing that was to

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say paper so we didn't have to print and

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then people can pull it up on here and

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look through it. So,

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that ends my report.

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>> All right. Uh, Adam or does anyone have

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any questions for Dan on that report?

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>> Uh, the resurface

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164 is next year for us.

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meeting?

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>> if you have any questions but this is

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more for everyone in that land. Uh if

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you have any questions it's a state

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project not a village of Lisbon or

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Walkshshire County project

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>> and that's for the south side is the

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north side going to be done the

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following year.

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>> Silver Spring to County Q is 2027.

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» All right. Uh item uh 8A is discussion

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necessary action regarding the land and

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stone water uh expansion project.

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>> Uh so I provided a very a summary report

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of uh what we talked about at the public

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works committee. Um essentially we had

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two options that we were um pursuing.

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one was with the city of Pewwaukee for

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retail water. Uh for the areas uh south

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on Townline Road and south of K um east

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of Corey Corners.

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both had pluses and negatives to um to

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providing us water. We after going

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through um each each point of data which

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uh Ben was able to provide in his

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presentation um the public works

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committee gave a recommendation to

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pursue Sussex as the water supplier for

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this project. Uh and so that is what

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we're trying to get we're looking for

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the board to also

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agree to. And then with that, um, we're

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looking to approve an amendment to

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Strand's contract to start looking at,

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engine or engineering and, uh, actually

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bidding out the project. So, uh, you

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have Ben's report here. If he if anyone

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has any specific questions, uh, Ben's

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here to answer them. I wasn't going to

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have Ben go through the whole report

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that he did at public works. Um and

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that as well,

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>> right? Um yeah, thanks to Ben. He's uh

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here in person tonight from Strand

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Associates. Uh Mr. Ben Wood. Uh some of

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the first off, we'd like to thank the

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both communities for helping us with

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this as far as uh cooperation and and

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providing us with options to choose

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from. Uh both were good options. uh one

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was just a a better option for long-term

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service and uh not having to essentially

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split split service uh between north and

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south of K. Um

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it it is a very um I guess tentative

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plan. We're we're working through it. Um

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Ben, you have any major highlights you

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want to share with our audience today?

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the big one, which is like Pewwaukee is

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not a bad option, but just the way

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looking at all the factors, it looks

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like Sussex is a better option and

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probably quicker to implement since um

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Sussex is already serving portions of

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Village of Lisbon's

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property there. So, there's already

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model template, things of that nature.

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Um

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the thing to kind of get noodled out is

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there's still a plan to have an

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emergency interconnect with the city of

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Kiwaki and that'll require some state

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agency review. Um but um meetings were

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held with with both entities and Sussex

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is very willing to take this on.

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All right.

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Um, was there any further developments

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with the church property as far as uh

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using

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their property for an easement or

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connecting to the back of those highway

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or wire road properties?

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>> I will say we did add into our updated

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cost assuming that we will loop through

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the church property. That was one of the

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feedbacks we received in meeting with

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the municipalities was to try to limit

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the dead ends. And uh just for

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everyone's reference, it would be the

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page that's titled updated uh

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contemplated water mains and critical

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areas. And if you direct your attention

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to redeemer church, there's an orange

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loop that would go through the south

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side of their property. Obviously, this

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is tenative. We have a lot of

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permissions, easements,

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>> as well as uh final designs, but

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tenatively it would it would be a good

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option to service those four highlighted

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properties. but not ideal because it's

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coming from the backyard, but uh it

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would it would still give us access to

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those properties.

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>> If for some reason down the road if we

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ever get a sewer water utility, would we

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get our customers back?

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>> Um I believe the draft agreement that

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Sussex has presented is modeled off of

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your existing agreement and Dan, I

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believe that's a provision in there.

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>> Um yeah, I just reviewed it. Uh there is

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a provision in there that we would

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there's not a dollar amount specified

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but we'll walk through some of those

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>> giving them away. I don't know if

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forever going to do it but if we did

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just so we have the option.

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>> Yeah.

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» And that is one of the considerations

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why we'll own the infrastruct

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infrastructure as well not just give

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them the infrastructure.

334
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>> Yeah.

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Perfect.

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Um

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obviously high cost project but um I

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mean and Nate's here from Lann and

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Stone. Um I think it's appropriate to I

340
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mean bring him in on this as well. I

341
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mean you was you did he partake in the

342
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conversation at the utility committee

343
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meeting?

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>> Um yeah I mean for the for the essence

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of Mr. Wood spoke on behalf of the

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agreement or cooperation between LSP and

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Strand as well as the village. So, um I

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mean do you guys have anything you want

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to expand on that as far as

350
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>> No, I think we had a good discussion

351
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last month.

352
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Yeah, sorry. No, I think we had a good

353
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discussion um last meeting and Ben

354
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covered it really really well and I

355
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think we're all in agreement about how

356
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the cost would be used and everything.

357
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so far.

358
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>> Yes.

359
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>> So all the costs involved in this is is

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going to be covered by you guys in your

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budget

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>> as designed right now. Yes.

363
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>> You change do you think it's going to

364
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change?

365
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>> Well, fair question. So we've gone

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through a 30% design so we can kind of

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get a higher confidence level in the

368
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cost just to kind of set the table to

369
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make sure that yes, it's within the

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realm of possibility. Let's continue to

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move ahead. So, part of what's uh part

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of the ask tonight is for an amendment

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for us to get all the way to final

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design, prepare those bidding documents,

375
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and then we'll have that um

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the layout nailed down even tighter with

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updated costs, and we're looking at a

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2027 construction for all of this. So,

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from here, um several things will happen

380
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on a parallel track. Strand will start

381
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final design. Um the village will

382
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probably presumably have some updated

383
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negotiations with land and stone

384
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products. Um the village will have some

385
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updated discussions with Sussex and

386
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probably hash out that finalizing that

387
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agreement and we'll submit some agency

388
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permit applications and and uh I know

389
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Land and Stone and Village also intend

390
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to do some public notices also of

391
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pending action tonight. Um and that'll

392
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all kind of be going ahead for the rest

393
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of this year into early next year. So

394
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it's not just the construction that's uh covered by by by the quarry

395
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which we really appreciate. I mean the residents do too but all strands

396
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cloths and everything are all covered

397
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under

398
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>> the quarry fund.

399
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>> Pardon me.

400
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>> It's in the it's coming from the Corey

401
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fund which is the the deal that we have

402
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with the course. Just want to make sure

403
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that one.

404
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>> And then to Ben's point, uh Lannon Stone

405
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did also reach out to um public

406
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call that

407
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uh public relations um uh consultant.

408
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And so I had a nice conversation with

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him and we're going to work on once we

410
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move on from this space getting the the

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residents in this area notified holding

412
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some public input meetings and and going

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through that step so that we can kind of

414
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hash that piece of it out before

415
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hopefully before the end for the end of

416
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the year ideally.

417
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>> Does that $15,000 private property work

418
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that coverage so the homeowners don't

419
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pay anything?

420
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» Nice. Well,

421
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>> that's the intent.

422
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>> Yeah.

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>> And what is the total amount that's

424
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going to be in the fund at the end of

425
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the day that that the agreement was

426
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written for years ago?

427
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>> What do you mean? Uh

428
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>> how much is in there right now? Or

429
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>> No, no. How much is going to be in there

430
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at the at total commitment was it was I

431
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would say north of 107.

432
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>> Yeah, I think it was closer to 15,

433
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wasn't it? Something like that. Yeah, it

434
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was 13 to 15 depending on sales and

435
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inflation over the the period there's an

436
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inflation escalator in there. Um,

437
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>> okay. So, I mean with the 20%

438
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contingency

439
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and with the contingency and then the uh

440
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20% contingency on top of that, I mean,

441
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we're we still have a couple million

442
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dollar cushion. Well, yeah, but I I

443
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mean, keep in mind, too, that they were

444
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probably anticipating when that

445
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agreement was done to have municipal

446
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,039
water for more than just this area. I

447
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>> certainly the hope.

448
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:42,880
>> Yeah. Right.

449
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>> So, they didn't they didn't know at the

450
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time what the cost would be.

451
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>> I mean, if this is the area we need to

452
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get done, I mean, to Linda's point, I

453
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mean, we we we have the funds to cover

454
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this that that we're not paying for. I

455
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,679
mean again the money hasn't been

456
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received yet but it's going to be

457
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received over the period of time.

458
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» Uh Ben under the uh Strand Associates

459
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agreement can you highlight what the

460
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change was for compensation?

461
00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,520
>> Yeah sure. Um, so we were under contract

462
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for 188. This adds 225,000

463
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to take us from 30% design to final

464
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design uh for a total of 413.

465
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And did want to point out there's some

466
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uh several items listed as like items

467
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not included. Um that's primarily

468
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because we think they're not required

469
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other than the public involvement stuff

470
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which um

471
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we have in our base 188 some of that

472
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already but um

473
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particularly easement

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descriptions are not included yet. I

475
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think once we get a little farther in

476
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design, we'll understand kind of what

477
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the property acquisition element of this

478
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looks like. If I'm assuming that some

479
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property owners will be cooperative,

480
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others might not. You know, we'll kind

481
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of see what easement acquisition is

482
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going to look like and we might be back

483
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for an ask related to assisting with

484
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that.

485
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>> Um, as we talk about public information,

486
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I I noticed that the public information

487
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meetings were excluded. Is that is that

488
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strand services? Is that the

489
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>> second?

490
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>> I'll take the first crack at this. So,

491
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in the agreement that you have in your

492
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packet, um

493
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it's items not included is number eight

494
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and nine. That's on that last page.

495
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I went back in preparing for this

496
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meeting read reread the base scope of

497
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services again um and I know you don't

498
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have this in your packet but we already

499
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have included

500
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um under program management up to 300

501
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hours for lots of random potential

502
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things like extra agency communication

503
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funding coordination and one of those

504
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items is public outreach and what's

505
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already included is communicated with

506
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communicate with the public about the

507
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project via owner approved means

508
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including mailers, public information

509
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meetings, information updates, and

510
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owner's website public hearings. Um, so

511
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basically what I want to suggest is what

512
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you have in your packet is that we

513
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delete items 8 and nine because there's

514
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an element of that already included.

515
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Um the way that works, how we described

516
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it in the original

517
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um agreement is we're just billing

518
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hourly as needed up to certain hours. So

519
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to the extent that Landon Stone Products

520
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is using

521
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uh a public relations

522
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consultant and they're paying for that,

523
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we'll help feed them information, maybe

524
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review materials, whatever. But I think

525
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it all fits well within our kind of base

526
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scope.

527
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Um is there there's no contingency on

528
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strand services as far as

529
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>> correct. Okay.

530
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>> Are we bill hourly in expense not to

531
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exceed up to that total

532
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>> thresholds? Um if for some reason I said

533
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the only foreseeable

534
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,799
additional scope might be the easements

535
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once we get into that pin that down. But

536
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uh that's how that looks. Um there's

537
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,520
contingency in the budget but there's

538
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not contingency in our agreement.

539
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» What happens then?

540
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,600
>> Uh if we get close to our threshold, we

541
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wouldn't we wouldn't build beyond that

542
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without coming back and uh asking for

543
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another

544
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>> asking the village.

545
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>> Yeah.

546
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for our

547
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if we get close to our total of 413,000

548
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then we would come back and ask for

549
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amendment if that was warranted.

550
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>> You wouldn't go back to Strand. But you wouldn't go back to

551
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>> I'm with Strand,

552
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,280
>> right? I I'm just saying I got mixed up

553
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,720
the quarry. You wouldn't go back to the

554
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,559
quarry. You would ask the village to pay

555
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:21,520
the difference

556
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,080
>> because we we hold the funds. So that's

557
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,200
why they have to come to us.

558
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,720
>> I know we hold the funds, but what

559
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,840
happened to the funds? Like he was

560
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,440
saying gets down and you have to ask for

561
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,080
more.

562
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320
>> Well, they're coming to us tonight, not

563
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,320
coming to land and stone. We're we're

564
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,440
>> Okay.

565
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,400
>> From their fund,

566
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:36,960
>> right? Right.

567
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,159
>> Cory's fun.

568
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:39,280
>> Our Corey fund.

569
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,760
>> Yes. LSP's

570
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,919
work. Yes. And tipping. Yes.

571
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:45,440
>> Tax contributes to that fund.

572
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,520
>> Yes. So he's saying if the if their

573
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,320
contract goes over the 417,000,

574
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,080
he's going to come back to us and then

575
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,159
we'll issue funds from the Corey fund if

576
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:55,200
we approve any amendments

577
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,320
>> from the fund. Okay.

578
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:56,559
>> Yeah.

579
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:57,840
>> But with that being said, I mean the way

580
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,919
that the way that I hear, you know,

581
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:01,840
billing at an hourly rate and then will

582
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,880
not exceed having a cap on it. The only

583
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,360
way that we would go above the fourth 13

584
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,919
is if the the scope changed or if the

585
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,480
number of hourly I mean so if it happens

586
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,640
to take you longer to design what you

587
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,320
have planned here

588
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,039
>> then you eat that effectively.

589
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:19,840
>> Okay. Right.

590
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,510
>> Yep.

591
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,400
» Um I mean so I mean this these are just

592
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,919
the numbers we have here. I mean, these

593
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,640
are big numbers, but I I I mean, staff

594
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,640
and the committee has has looked in that

595
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,159
and you're comfortable with what's

596
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:34,799
behind it.

597
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:38,320
>> Yeah, there was um Strand and with LSP's

598
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,559
input, too. We we had a very long

599
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,039
meeting about it. Um it was it was very

600
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,520
informative. We went this packet that

601
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,080
you have uh with the PowerPoint. We went

602
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,600
through it, asked a lot of questions on

603
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,520
it. Um, you know, we found we found some

604
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,360
things that we changed a little bit and

605
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,480
I mean it's it's working. I mean, it's

606
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,159
>> And you guys pass it unanimously.

607
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,159
>> We did. Yep.

608
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:05,840
>> Just one other thing to add if I can

609
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,640
uh just kind of reiterate some of Landon

610
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,240
Stone Products sentiment is uh if we

611
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,320
start on final design now, we feel like

612
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,240
it took longer to get to a decision

613
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,240
point between suppliers than we

614
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,400
anticipated. some of that communication

615
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,520
got drug out. Um but public works

616
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,200
committee made that unanimous decision

617
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,159
and we feel if we start design now then

618
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:30,640
we can still advertise for bidding to

619
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,960
get this done in the 2027 construction

620
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,279
year. And part of the sentiment is the

621
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,400
longer we wait to do this the

622
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,080
>> buying power of that bond gets eroded.

623
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,200
You know what I mean? So it's kind of in

624
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,360
essence the board could think about it

625
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,520
as a you know well we're doing this

626
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,039
right since we're doing this then then

627
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,039
uh

628
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:58,640
taking action tonight keeps everything

629
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,360
on schedule.

630
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,720
>> Are there going to be any issue like

631
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,640
water pressure issues going from a well

632
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,080
to city water?

633
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,559
>> Um great question. Um there's actually

634
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,880
going to be really strong pressure down

635
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,440
here.

636
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,159
>> Yeah.

637
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:14,400
>> Kind of in the 80s.

638
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,320
>> So um most people that are on a well

639
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,640
have their well pressure set in the

640
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,559
mid50s.

641
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,320
>> Um so it's changed. Uh building code

642
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,480
says if it's greater than 80 PSI then

643
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,159
there has to be a pressure reducing

644
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:33,200
valve on that line. And once there's

645
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,880
that pressure reducing valve on that

646
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,120
line, if folks want to set it to be, you

647
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,559
know, 58 PSI, just like it was before,

648
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,480
they'll have that option.

649
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,919
>> Is this not going to cause any issues

650
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:45,600
with houses that have been on 50 and

651
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,360
then all of a sudden they get shot to is

652
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,960
it going to shock anything or

653
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,799
>> um That's a good question. All I can

654
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,159
tell you is we went through this in

655
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:54,480
Lannon and we converted about 200

656
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,000
properties over to municipal system and

657
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,440
municipal pressure and we actually

658
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,320
didn't do any PRVs. So, they really did

659
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,039
go from the full like 50 to 80. And I

660
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,520
have not heard any reports in the way

661
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,400
that people talk. I'm sure I would have.

662
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,559
I haven't heard any reports of internal

663
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,720
plumbing. But yeah, there's

664
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,159
>> certainly some to talk about in the

665
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:20,240
public hearings that people think a

666
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,320
>> pipe behind a wall is going to burst and

667
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240
all kinds of things. But

668
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,520
>> yeah, we we talked

669
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,279
>> we did talk at the public works last

670
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,840
month about that and and covered it at

671
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,440
length about

672
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,799
>> that's going to be part of our public

673
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,880
information campaign as well. So people

674
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,799
are aware that there is a pressure

675
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,720
increase and you know what we recommend

676
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,640
or maybe don't need to recommend at this

677
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,080
point.

678
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,950
>> That's good.

679
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,320
» I don't have any other questions or

680
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,320
anything. I mean, anyone else have any

681
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,760
discussion here?

682
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,200
>> No, I I just um if I could just add and

683
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,120
I'll say it again. I think it's I know

684
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,399
it's very very expensive and I know it's

685
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,000
been voted not to do the sewer for the

686
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,279
homeowners with it because they don't

687
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,520
want it, but I think in the long run it

688
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,960
might be a mistake because it's not

689
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
going to get cheaper. I think it's the

690
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,000
time to do it, but they don't want it

691
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,480
and that's fine.

692
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,080
And I hope it doesn't come back to hurt

693
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,240
him someday or someone will move over

694
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,909
there.

695
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:26,080
» You ready for a motion?

696
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,240
>> Yep. Uh

697
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,840
>> it's a recommended motion on the bottom

698
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,600
of my

699
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,200
>> I'll make a motion to proceed with the

700
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,960
village's preferred supplier based on

701
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,679
the recommendation from the public works

702
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,320
committee and proceed with the schedule

703
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,320
presented and approve amendment number

704
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,039
one to the technical services contract

705
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:50,000
by strand striking eight and nine as all

706
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,159
else presented.

707
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:53,919
>> Is there a second to that motion?

708
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,000
>> I second. All

709
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,440
right. Is there any additional

710
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,000
discussion?

711
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,880
>> Thank you.

712
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,799
>> Hearing none. All those in favor say I.

713
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,240
>> I. Say n.

714
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,760
>> Thank you very much for coming. Please.

715
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,440
>> Yeah. Works. Thank you.

716
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,799
>> 5. Appreciate it.

717
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,679
See you tomorrow.

718
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:20,630
>> Bye.

719
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,200
» Great. Uh item 8B is discussion and

720
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,799
necessary action regarding the

721
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:30,399
replacement of the uh WAM mowers with

722
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:33,600
zeroturn mowers.

723
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,679
Um

724
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:38,159
>> Dan or Marrick who wants to take this?

725
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:41,120
>> Yeah. Uh so this is

726
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,480
by way of uh public works. Um it does

727
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,640
have to deal with parks, but uh just by

728
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,200
way of department, we're looking at um

729
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,480
replacing our wide area mowers or also

730
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,200
referred to in your packet as whams. Um

731
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,640
and we're looking to play replace those

732
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,760
with commercial zeroturn mowers. So just

733
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,159
for visual, the ones you sit on and

734
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:07,279
drive from a seat. Um

735
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,840
so Mike was really really very helpful

736
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
with this. uh there was a lot of uh

737
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,080
testing that went into play. Um and he

738
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,480
outline outlined in your packet the

739
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
current equipment that they have as well

740
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,720
as some of the challenges with our

741
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,440
current operations. Uh just some of the

742
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,559
things that we ran into. Um we currently

743
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,399
only have one of the full-time parks

744
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:34,559
employees that has a CDL uh limitation

745
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,960
on his on his license. So that limits

746
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,880
staff efficiency.

747
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Uh I guess the concern from the parks is

748
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,679
that it limits productivity during the

749
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:47,520
busiest part of the season. Um when we have the additional labor

750
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,440
because we do hire seasonals. Um but the

751
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,120
essentially the labor can't transport

752
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600
the mowers. So we're looking for a

753
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,320
smaller, more versatile and better

754
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,480
utilized mower. Um the wide area mowers

755
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,360
are a lot slower than what zero turns

756
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,520
can do.

757
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Now, they do have a greater width in

758
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,000
cutting. Um, but it they're a lot

759
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,760
slower. The maneuverability is a lot

760
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,159
lower, and uh through the uh T& they

761
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:22,320
determined that uh we can actually be

762
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,200
more efficient if we're using the um

763
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,039
zero turns.

764
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,799
One of the other things that Mike looked

765
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,440
at was the um the cost of equipment.

766
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Obviously, in the last five years, we've

767
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,640
s seen prices all over the board with uh

768
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,240
pricing and everything is becoming more

769
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,000
and more expensive. Um, just an example,

770
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,200
the

771
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,679
>> the 2020 wide area mower that we

772
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,799
purchased was 67 grand. Uh, that was a

773
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,679
2020. If you look at the Ferris model

774
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,720
that we tied, it's got a 72 inch uh

775
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,240
mower deck on it and it's at 17,000. Um,

776
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,000
so lower prices, quicker cutting, uh,

777
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,960
better utilization by staff, and, uh,

778
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,039
actually parts was a consideration, too.

779
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,279
That might cost in there. Uh, it's

780
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:10,720
actually easier to find the parts and

781
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320
they're less expensive, and the, um, the

782
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,480
repairs take less technical expertise to

783
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,000
complete. Um,

784
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,480
the proposed equipment's on page two of

785
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,039
your packet. Uh they were looking to do

786
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:29,519
three of the Ferris 72-inch mowers. Um

787
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,519
also too, one thing that we also thought

788
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,480
of was the insurance cost and uh so

789
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,440
we'll not that it's make a substantial

790
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,000
difference to our insurer, but uh they

791
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,360
would definitely will probably feel

792
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,880
better about the fact that we're getting

793
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,159
something more compatible with our

794
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:48,480
seasonal help. So um they're just

795
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,919
they're better on hills, they're more

796
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:52,000
versatile on hills

797
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
and Also

798
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,080
too, uh they Mike talked about training.

799
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Uh he's going to train all the seasonal

800
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,799
employees on how to to uh utilize them

801
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,559
in a safe manner. Um so just uh if you

802
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,080
look at page, let's back up page four.

803
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Uh the cost of three commercial Ferris

804
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480
zero turns with 72inch decks is 52

805
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,840
grand. Um the sale of the current John

806
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,159
Deere and Toro units would somewhere

807
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:24,240
yield between 35 and 50 on return value

808
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360
and uh there obviously will will be some

809
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000
minimal cost uh to transition that we

810
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,640
don't have a figure for at this time. Uh

811
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240
but we looked at uh the financials

812
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,159
there. So, based off of all the

813
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:40,159
different avenues they've considered,

814
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:42,799
the recommendation from Mike and his

815
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,200
crew would be to uh transition to the

816
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,720
Ferris

817
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,600
uh mowers.

818
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Uh it should be noted that the public

819
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,120
works committee heard this and they

820
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,919
voted unanimously to pass.

821
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:59,760
Um

822
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,679
that's what I got. Any specific

823
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:05,039
questions, Linda?

824
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,480
dollars and cents. You can't afford not

825
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,440
to do it.

826
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,960
>> Yeah, it was uh we were really actually

827
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,200
surprised when the Ferris numbers came

828
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,119
back for I mean they're they're tough

829
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,720
machines. They're not uh your home uh

830
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:17,679
>> they were commercial grade.

831
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,480
>> They are commercial. A lot of uh lawn

832
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,159
cutting services use them actually.

833
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,079
>> Oh yeah. One of them's been doing for 10

834
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:24,560
years.

835
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,679
>> Yeah. So uh they're generally red and

836
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,200
blackish.

837
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:29,599
So

838
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,679
>> you buy we buy all three at once?

839
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,200
>> We would. And what is their lifespan?

840
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,399
>> I wish I could tell you that, but uh

841
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:39,520
>> like that maybe.

842
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,879
>> It really depends on how often they're

843
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,760
used. I mean, they were going to do

844
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,599
maintenance on. So, um being a new unit,

845
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,119
it would have a warranty on it.

846
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,399
>> You guys have obviously thought this

847
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:56,800
through, but so um why three and not

848
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,800
two? How how many get used at any given

849
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,079
time?

850
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,800
Yeah, there was uh I think that's kind

851
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,680
of a multiaceted thing. They don't think

852
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,079
all three would be used at one time, but

853
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,040
in the event that one of them went down,

854
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,160
they they would have the option to jump

855
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,320
on the other one and service the other

856
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,079
one, but they could use them at three

857
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,320
times. It really the problem we have is

858
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,839
we can't always count on our seasonal

859
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:25,200
staff for the DPW. So that that's where

860
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,440
it's kind of the the third one is the

861
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,240
relief mower or

862
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,440
less utilized one.

863
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,200
>> So two of them would often get used the

864
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,040
same

865
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,960
three. I mean have all your seat belts

866
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,280
work same day and LCD is the part you

867
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,560
have to probably want to use all three

868
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,079
but I think it would make sense that you

869
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:48,160
alternate some of those two so that you

870
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,750
down and replace.

871
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,359
Yeah, definitely.

872
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:55,119
>> Um, and then the highway department,

873
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,720
they considered keeping one by them so

874
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,079
that one of their guys can

875
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,760
feel better.

876
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,040
>> I was going to ask about storage. I

877
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,400
mean, this does this will take up more

878
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,079
space, but we we have

879
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,000
>> I think actually I think so these are

880
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
actually going to take up less space and

881
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,640
then the transportation of them, we're

882
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,839
not going to have to have as big of

883
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:15,200
trailer.

884
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,160
>> So I all around it it makes better

885
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,079
sense. It's uh it's not as it's probably

886
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:26,720
half as long as the the whaml mowers and the width on the whamlowers is what

887
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,240
really gets you.

888
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,400
>> So you can you can imagine those have

889
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,920
wings that fold down and

890
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,160
>> Yep.

891
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,200
>> You have to have a different type of

892
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,040
trailer. They're a lot heavier of a

893
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,839
unit.

894
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,359
>> Well, you need a CPL to be able to

895
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:39,440
transport two of them.

896
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,040
>> I think it's a wise choice.

897
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
>> Yeah. No, I I was uh kudos to Mike. I

898
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,320
think he did a great job with or Nick

899
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,240
and Mike.

900
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,440
makes put the report together.

901
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,359
>> So, and I was on site for the testing

902
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,359
for two of the three. We did Skagg and

903
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:59,200
we did uh Baris Bears has front

904
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,520
suspension that makes it a much smoother

905
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,680
ride, which was really nice. And then

906
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,680
you could just tell the Cotton was a lot

907
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,680
cleaner than than Skags. And Skags are

908
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,880
good motors, too. But, um, we everyone

909
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,920
agreed that this was the one to go with,

910
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,800
and I believe the prices were spot on.

911
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,589
bar and slightly cheaper.

912
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:22,880
» Okay.

913
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,240
>> And we're comfortable with the changes

914
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,200
from with with the mini excavator with

915
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,359
to the storm water and so that all works

916
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:29,680
out.

917
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,520
>> Yeah. It really depends on what we sell

918
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,440
the other piece of equipment for, but

919
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,359
the thought was, yeah, we supplement. I

920
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:36,880
mean, we talked about potentially paying

921
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,880
for the mini all out of storm water, but

922
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,040
given that we did the borrow, this would

923
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,079
just open up uh being able to take a

924
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,240
small section water if it made a

925
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,320
difference.

926
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,160
So, that 12 311 is effectively a plug

927
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,440
number that will go up or down based on

928
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160
the sale of the equipment if it's more

929
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,839
or less than 40,000.

930
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:06,710
Yep.

931
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,320
» All right. Are we ready for a motion?

932
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,760
>> Sure. Uh, I'll make a motion to approve

933
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,480
the purchase of three commercial Ferris

934
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,200
zeroturn mowers with 72in decks at

935
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,440
estimated cost not to exceed $52,311.

936
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,790
Sec.

937
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Right. Is there any additional

938
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,109
discussion?

939
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,359
It's hearing none. All those in favor

940
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:34,720
say I. I.

941
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,800
>> Oppos say nay. And motion carries.

942
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,200
>> Um item C is discussion and necessary

943
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,760
action to set the 2027 budget workshop

944
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,160
dates.

945
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Yeah, I know we had talked about this a

946
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,040
little bit at the last meeting, but I I

947
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,960
didn't see anything listed in the

948
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,040
packets or otherwise. Where are we at on

949
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,079
this? Um, I just kind of kept it open to

950
00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:59,760
for everyone to look at their calendars.

951
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,119
I didn't want to put a date out there

952
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,839
and then have

953
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:06,880
be unable. So, typically we do this in

954
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,440
September, usually in midepptember.

955
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Um, we do have a village board meeting

956
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,599
on the 9th, but I know I believe Paula

957
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:14,640
you weren't going to be able to make

958
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,119
that one.

959
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,560
>> Yep. No. Um,

960
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,880
so if you know we're looking at sometime

961
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,440
maybe September 17th

962
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,480
>> might be a good day at Thursday.

963
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,119
Um,

964
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,760
>> what time are we looking for?

965
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,560
>> It's like available 5 to midnight thing

966
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,359
or 5 to 10 5

967
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:38,880
>> 5 to 7 to 7.

968
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,560
>> I'd rather do one extra one and not do

969
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,079
the marathon session. I'm just gonna say

970
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,680
that right now. we we can do too. But

971
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,200
>> well, I think I think it's necessary to

972
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,119
do more than one because you you you

973
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:50,960
have I mean you have a meeting and then

974
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,040
there's questions that come up and I

975
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,920
mean I I think even to get it done in

976
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,560
two is probably well it's not realistic

977
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,920
but I mean but I think maybe some of

978
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:00,880
those going to be

979
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,680
>> a short one after the October meeting or we can tie those into something else

980
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,400
as well.

981
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,720
>> Are they expecting state numbers to come

982
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,079
in on time?

983
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:15,349
>> We have preliminary like

984
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:18,800
all that. We always at the same time. So

985
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,720
the 17th will probably not have those

986
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:26,710
numbers. Probably looking at October.

987
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,560
So I mean we can push it toward to

988
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,560
October.

989
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,079
Um,

990
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,000
but I mean if we're just going we could

991
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,960
potentially go over expenditures

992
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,720
in you know September and then go over

993
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,470
revenue.

994
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,760
» There's kind of a relationship there

995
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,880
though too. I mean

996
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,839
>> yeah.

997
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:52,470
>> Well, yeah, I suppose.

998
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
» So September 17th is the date that you'd

999
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,800
like to do it or do you want to

1000
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,079
>> I'm just throwing a date out there. I

1001
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,400
the 16th and the 23rd. Obviously, we

1002
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,400
public works. We have uh plan

1003
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,000
commission.

1004
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,190
Um we could do Wednesday the 30th.

1005
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,839
You go to Wednesday.

1006
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,960
>> I am gone to South Carolina and DC from

1007
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,599
the 10th. I'll be here for the 9th. I

1008
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,200
did that on purpose. I leave on the 10th

1009
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,319
and coming back on the 23rd.

1010
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:27,520
>> So, the 30th they weren't meeting

1011
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:33,829
it. There it is.

1012
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:37,280
September 30th, correct?

1013
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,280
>> Are we putting that one on the calendar?

1014
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,599
>> So, you said you're back on the 23rd.

1015
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:42,880
So, like if we wanted to look at the

1016
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,880
24th, that's probably too too tight with

1017
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,760
getting back then.

1018
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,920
>> Well, that's okay. I have I have two

1019
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,680
doctor's appointments on the on that

1020
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,200
day. And long as I'm busy, I'm busy.

1021
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040
That's okay.

1022
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,400
>> Oh, okay.

1023
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,640
So you guys can definitely

1024
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,470
>> Oh, you got to be here.

1025
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,520
» All right. So, I guess we'll go with

1026
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,880
December 30th at then.

1027
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,040
>> What time? 6:30.

1028
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,240
>> Should we do six?

1029
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,359
>> I didn't go earlier.

1030
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:10,480
>> Yeah, I'm not here all late.

1031
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,240
>> But would you like six?

1032
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,240
>> I was just thinking of what you said,

1033
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,400
you know, as far as I want to have not a

1034
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,240
real long meeting. Have two shorter

1035
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,839
ones, but one long is okay.

1036
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:23,520
>> Six is fine with me. I'm just going to

1037
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,520
have to plan because I just need to have

1038
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,720
coverage for my

1039
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,359
>> your mother.

1040
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:27,760
>> Yeah.

1041
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Okay.

1042
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,359
>> So, okay. So, September 30th at 6

1043
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:33,920
o'clock. Is that the consensus? And then

1044
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,280
>> we'll also I mean we'll certainly have a

1045
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,640
budget workshop on October 14th as well,

1046
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,720
but hopefully that will be, you know,

1047
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,119
much more brief.

1048
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,520
>> Is the department head one going to be

1049
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,480
the 30th or is that the October one?

1050
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,190
>> Uh, we can get the department one head

1051
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,790
until the October 14th.

1052
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,319
» What other day do you say, Matt? The

1053
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:02,960
14th.

1054
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,160
>> I think we just have, you know, some

1055
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,680
tie-ups and some other discussion, you

1056
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,359
know, at a budget workshop after the

1057
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:08,240
village board meeting.

1058
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,200
>> Oh, so

1059
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,240
>> Oh, on the 14th.

1060
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,480
>> Yes. Yes. I mean, hopefully

1061
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,280
um I mean, we'll try to load up the

1062
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,720
September meeting if if there's anything

1063
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,319
that's out there and we can try to keep

1064
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,960
the October Village board meeting more

1065
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,720
brief if possible. And

1066
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,800
>> then we'll have the second part of that.

1067
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,640
Then I that makes sense, right?

1068
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,400
>> Mhm.

1069
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,079
At what time for that? We'll just leave

1070
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,000
it open for now until we know.

1071
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,599
>> Or do we want to start maybe a half hour

1072
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:34,720
early

1073
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:35,200
>> then?

1074
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,640
>> On the 14th.

1075
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,319
>> for the village board meeting. You said

1076
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:39,920
>> start it at 6 instead. That'll give us

1077
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,359
buy us a little more time if we have a

1078
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:41,920
lot going on.

1079
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,440
>> I think so too.

1080
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,960
>> Yeah. I mean the sooner we can start

1081
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,960
that the better. Otherwise we could be

1082
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,960
here at depending on

1083
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,800
>> I can start at five if you want to.

1084
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,400
Okay. that far out.

1085
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,319
>> I'm okay with that, too. Oh,

1086
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:55,119
>> that

1087
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,440
>> um six o'clock sounds good to me. I I I

1088
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,079
know that

1089
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,960
>> five.

1090
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,240
>> Okay. Any another nomination here?

1091
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,920
>> So, we're going to say six then. Yes.

1092
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,520
>> Yeah. Six on both.

1093
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:07,839
>> Six.

1094
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:10,240
>> The 30th and the 14th.

1095
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,319
>> Okay. But

1096
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:13,920
is a village board meeting. So, it'll be

1097
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,800
right after.

1098
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,920
>> We're just moving up the village board

1099
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,359
meeting by half an hour. We'll try and

1100
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,359
keep that agenda like so we

1101
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:19,680
>> Okay.

1102
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,000
>> get through it. Okay. Okay.

1103
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,280
>> I don't think we need formal action

1104
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,760
here, Dan.

1105
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,400
>> No, I'm sending uh uh calendar advice.

1106
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,119
>> Okay. Thank you.

1107
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,040
That's the biggest job we have to do is

1108
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,150
that that's a big job.

1109
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
» The budget you're doing that before I

1110
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,599
put my calendar in.

1111
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,510
>> Yeah.

1112
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,640
» All right. Are we I think we're good

1113
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,440
then on this item. So we can move on to

1114
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,200
>> uh item D which is discussion on the

1115
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,520
maintenance and service of grinder

1116
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,000
pumps.

1117
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,800
>> Right. I circulated paperwork that I

1118
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,359
have written out. I just asked you to

1119
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,359
look at this with an open mind as if you

1120
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:07,119
were in the district and what you would

1121
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,200
want um because there's 452

1122
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,079
homes current residents on sewer. I

1123
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,520
believe there's about 32 grinder pumps

1124
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,359
and since the beginning when they

1125
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:22,319
started this in 1989 thereabouts I went

1126
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:25,119
to all those meetings never once did

1127
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,720
they bring up grinder pumps I was

1128
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,280
shocked when I was uh on the old board

1129
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,599
and I go what is a grinder pump and then

1130
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,839
I realized I know what it is obviously

1131
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,800
now I've been told all these years but

1132
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,520
the whole all the 452 homes have been

1133
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,280
paying for these and they are installed

1134
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,160
in the person's home, not on out in the

1135
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,040
yard. It's in the home. And when there's

1136
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,520
an issue, a big alarm goes off. And so

1137
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,520
these people, they call like debell

1138
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,880
right away. They don't care if it's six

1139
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,560
o'clock in the morning, have an

1140
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,599
emergency call or 5:00 at night, they

1141
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,200
call whatever. And then they go out

1142
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,880
there and they fix it. Then then we have

1143
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,520
normally paid for the bills. Um, we've

1144
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,200
also um um if it's a seller's fault

1145
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,359
because there is something that was put

1146
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:14,720
down the toilet and it's only one time

1147
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,200
that I can remember that we as a

1148
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,119
district had a problem in Wooded Hills.

1149
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,920
It was a $25,000 charge and the

1150
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,920
homeowners insurance paid for it, which

1151
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
they were very lucky. Um, we just had

1152
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
one the other couple months ago and I

1153
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,839
wasn't at that board meeting. The four

1154
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:35,359
three members voted to replace it. uh to

1155
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,599
re replace it because it was a little

1156
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,200
older. But it's still in my personal

1157
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,960
opinion, we shouldn't have paid uh paid

1158
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,760
it because there's no limitation on the

1159
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,960
age of the pump. It's just this was

1160
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,839
wrecked by the child by the homeowner's

1161
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:53,920
grandson put it something down. So we

1162
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,920
paid $4,200 to replace that pump and

1163
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,400
they paid a,000. These are gotten more

1164
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,079
expensive and more expensive. Um, and I

1165
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,920
checked with local communities when I

1166
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,480
presented a a um um um talk back at the

1167
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,040
old district. I had checked and I found

1168
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,480
my own notes. I checked with Waterford.

1169
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,359
I checked with Summit. I checked with H

1170
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:24,800
Heartland. I checked with Wales. Um, no

1171
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,960
one All homeowners pay their own grinder

1172
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,680
pump fees. There was one that has four

1173
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,240
grinder pump has one grinder pump for

1174
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,319
four homes and we as a district decided

1175
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,319
we didn't want to do that. We've never

1176
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:37,920
done that. They have the each their own

1177
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,640
grinder pump. But again, the homeowner

1178
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,520
pays for the grinder pumps because I

1179
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
I've been told by one of the gentlemen

1180
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,839
that they consider it private property

1181
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:49,920
just like a well pump is, a septic pump

1182
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,720
is, and so forth. We don't have anybody

1183
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,240
coming out and paying our well pump

1184
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,160
costs or anything. And um we have um the

1185
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,000
first we have discussed this subject at

1186
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,839
this level before. The public works

1187
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,520
committee has reviewed the topic of

1188
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,079
grinder pumps twice. The first time they

1189
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:07,599
gave a recommendation to put the

1190
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,720
responsibility on the homeowner and and

1191
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:11,359
just I just

1192
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:12,640
>> when was when was that?

1193
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,240
>> Um I don't have the dates.

1194
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:14,640
>> Okay.

1195
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,480
>> I got this from Dan. I don't have the

1196
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,359
dates. I know in the old district

1197
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:23,040
that we had we had a threeperson

1198
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,640
committee. two of us uh wanted the

1199
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,000
homeowner to pay their own and one of us

1200
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,480
didn't and we had a whole bunch of

1201
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,040
people here from Wooded Hills and I

1202
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,800
won't go into detail how they know to

1203
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,319
come here but we had a whole bunch of

1204
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,640
people kind of vote um he was very

1205
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,160
serious he said no we shouldn't have to

1206
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,040
pay for those he was overwhelmed by the

1207
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,760
people he voted and changed his vote

1208
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,040
that night we could have gotten this

1209
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,720
taken care of very nicely that night

1210
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,440
years ago and he changed his vote unfort

1211
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,520
Unfortunately, he told me he was

1212
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,960
overwhelmed.

1213
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,640
>> This This is This is on the the uh the

1214
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,200
sewer board.

1215
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,280
>> The village the town board or the

1216
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,040
>> No, no, the village. I'm all talking

1217
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,400
about the sewer board, not the village.

1218
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,440
>> You said they made a recommendation

1219
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,920
though to the v or to the I'm not sure

1220
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,520
if it's the village board or to board.

1221
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,680
>> To the public works committee. I don't

1222
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,440
know. It was a couple months ago maybe.

1223
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,640
And during that conversation, um, the

1224
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,040
board had mentioned that they had

1225
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,359
already made a recommendation and the

1226
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:26,960
board didn't take a either they didn't

1227
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,559
take action on it or they didn't vote on

1228
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:28,960
it or

1229
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,400
>> I'm just looking to see how far back

1230
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,480
that that previous one was just for

1231
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,400
reference. I know it was before

1232
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,400
>> Rob and I were here. Was it was it

1233
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,040
>> been before you were here? And then also

1234
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,000
um when I asked at the at the utility

1235
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,640
board meetings, nope, you have to go to

1236
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,319
the village board again. we have to

1237
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,480
start there and so it's kind of a back

1238
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,920
and forth thing and you know it's kind

1239
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,880
of frustrating.

1240
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,720
>> Well there that committee had stated

1241
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,000
that they had already made a

1242
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000
recommendation so they weren't going to

1243
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,200
make another recommendation.

1244
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,200
>> They made a recommendation to the

1245
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,440
village board as far as

1246
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,160
>> what they wanted.

1247
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,480
>> I'm confused really confused is who

1248
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,079
actually made what board actually makes

1249
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,160
this decision.

1250
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,079
Is it the village board or is the

1251
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,750
utility?

1252
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,599
» I I mean I could answer that in my

1253
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:18,800
opinion, but I that's surface

1254
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,960
>> up. The village board uh has say a say

1255
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,280
in amending the sewer code, which is

1256
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680
that code provision that I sent over to

1257
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,359
you. So it would be a village board that

1258
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,599
would make that decision to modify that

1259
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,240
section code. Um it could be a

1260
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,079
recommendation from the public works

1261
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,599
committee to bring to the village board,

1262
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,119
but again they um

1263
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,520
>> they didn't really do any any action the

1264
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,359
second time because they had stated they

1265
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:47,200
had already taken this item up.

1266
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,599
>> Exactly.

1267
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:48,720
>> In previous years.

1268
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:49,440
>> Exactly. And

1269
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,760
>> I'm a little bit lost. So, so yeah, the first time around the sanitary

1270
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,119
district board voted 2 to one to to

1271
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:02,319
recommend this change to the village

1272
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,079
board or town board at the time, but

1273
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:05,839
then someone flipped. So, it was

1274
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,200
actually a recommend It was a

1275
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,440
recommendation that it not so positive

1276
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,559
recommendation never made it to the

1277
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:11,599
village board then.

1278
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,599
>> No, it didn't because it didn't come out

1279
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,160
of the lo of the of the old district

1280
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,559
board, the old board. It didn't come out

1281
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,359
of there because Mark flipped flipped

1282
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,559
and so it just sat there and this was

1283
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,800
Oh, I don't I I wish I had a date on my

1284
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,800
notes. I don't have a date on this when

1285
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,000
I when I made this presentation.

1286
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,160
>> So, I guess I guess I'm and I don't have

1287
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,559
an I mean, you guys are more educated on

1288
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:37,760
this than I am, but I'm just trying to

1289
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,880
make sure I understand everything,

1290
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,720
right? So the so this the the second to

1291
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,119
last paragraph the end of the second

1292
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,559
line where it says the first time they

1293
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:47,920
gave a recommendation to put the

1294
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,920
responsibility on the homeowner.

1295
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,920
>> But if I'm following you though that that that never was the final

1296
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,119
recommendation of the

1297
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,000
>> it was they they've told me now that am

1298
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,160
I correct Mark maybe I'm wrong. When I

1299
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,319
bring it up at the utility level they

1300
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,920
say you got to bring you got to bring it

1301
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,960
back to the village board. And so you

1302
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,880
know so it's kind of confusing. I am

1303
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,960
confused because it's gone back and

1304
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,359
forth.

1305
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:12,319
>> Well, you've done a good job of

1306
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,800
confusing me as well. So, I I don't I

1307
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,640
I'm I'm not following. I I don't know.

1308
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,359
>> So, was there a positive The discussion

1309
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:21,119
that we had at public works, Mark, even

1310
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,040
correct me if I'm wrong, was that they

1311
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,480
didn't want to take action on it because

1312
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,599
they had already made I don't know if

1313
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,200
they made a motion or a recommendation

1314
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,960
to the village board. I don't know what

1315
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,319
happened at the village board level. I

1316
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:33,359
didn't look through the minutes to

1317
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:34,960
determine what happened and I don't know

1318
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,200
when that was. I would assume it was

1319
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,480
when both um

1320
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,960
I think the trustees named Jane and

1321
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,240
>> Joe thank you were on the committee so

1322
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,440
long

1323
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,720
>> this happened I want to say winter or

1324
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,200
something like that that this happened

1325
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,520
um because I was told and Mark and I

1326
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,520
talked about this wait until we redo the

1327
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,440
code you know so I've been kind of

1328
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,520
putting it off thinking I need to do

1329
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,760
that. So, it would maybe save money to

1330
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,520
redo this. I'm not sure. I know. I know.

1331
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,599
Couple years ago we voted to any new

1332
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,680
resident that comes on pays for their

1333
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,000
own costs.

1334
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,240
So, that's but we haven't really had

1335
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,280
many new residents, you know. But I also

1336
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,920
want to point out um we since 23 we have

1337
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,390
paid $64,899.28.

1338
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,359
In addition to that,

1339
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:40,079
um, we have the de we have to have our

1340
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,240
nick and anybody on board. We have to

1341
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,640
pay them to go out and get the pump and

1342
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,240
replace the pump and so forth. So,

1343
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,000
there's a lot of other expenses involved

1344
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,400
in this. And if the homeowner does it,

1345
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,319
they're in charge of it. They can get

1346
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,240
things done probably a lot cheaper than

1347
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,480
what we do, you know, and they can have

1348
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,119
some and they can take care of it. They

1349
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,760
can take care because they really don't

1350
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,839
take care of it. It's not for them to do

1351
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:05,680
anything with it. It becomes private

1352
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,640
property just like you guys look over,

1353
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,280
you know, our things at home. We take

1354
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,960
care of things. And I just think I just

1355
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,880
think it's an expense that's been on for

1356
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,119
37 years. And I think 37 years is a long

1357
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,359
time. The only thing that I would

1358
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:26,880
recommend is if there was any any

1359
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,480
homeowner

1360
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,280
that has been on this from day one, if

1361
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,440
they've never replaced their grinder

1362
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,480
pump, we should replace it

1363
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,440
because, you know, if that was fair, if

1364
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,280
everyone decided to do that, but

1365
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,559
otherwise, I would cut it off

1366
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,440
immediately because why why just stretch

1367
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,400
it out myself? And so then I'm asking

1368
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,079
that we um that uh that the next village

1369
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,760
board meeting that we bring up the code

1370
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,079
of ordinances for the sewer sewer

1371
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:58,240
service area be revised to reflect the

1372
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,319
grinder pump's costs are totally paid by

1373
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:02,079
each homeowner for their respective

1374
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:04,000
grinder pump. And I have to tell you,

1375
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,280
we'll have people here from Wooded

1376
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,720
Hills. We will. But there again,

1377
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,640
everybody else in the district does not

1378
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,040
know what's going on. If they knew what

1379
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,920
was going on, they'd be here as well. So

1380
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,599
I'm not overwhelmed when people are in

1381
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:20,000
the off a audience because we have to do

1382
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,839
what's best for the majority of the

1383
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:24,559
people, not the minority of the people.

1384
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,599
This whole sewer

1385
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,440
issue was pushed through.

1386
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,839
Let's just not say it was right how they

1387
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:36,400
pushed it through. They forced it down.

1388
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,319
And there was no total vote. It was a

1389
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:41,280
three-man committee. Threeman committee

1390
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,200
that pushed this on. One put an

1391
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,440
ingground hole in, cut into a septic

1392
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,079
system, had no room for anything else.

1393
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:49,839
The other one bought a bought a hole and

1394
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:51,359
they didn't check out their septic

1395
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:54,160
system, failed. So, two of the three

1396
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,920
members had failing systems. That's why

1397
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,319
this was pushed through.

1398
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:03,119
And it makes me very uncomfortable as a village board member today and all

1399
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,640
the work that have been on the board

1400
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,480
that someone can be so crooked to do

1401
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,480
that because I will vote for something

1402
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,119
that if it's right for the village, then

1403
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,799
we do it. I don't care if it cost us

1404
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:14,960
money. It has to. We have to like for

1405
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,400
the parks and everything else. You have

1406
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,520
to do what's best for the area. But what

1407
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,920
happened years ago was wrong, people.

1408
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Well, it was wrong

1409
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,599
>> in regards to the grinder pumps.

1410
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:27,680
>> Regard to the whole sewer and the

1411
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,920
grinder pumps was a private issue. It

1412
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,599
was never brought up at any of these

1413
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,599
public meetings. I have to tell you,

1414
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,640
Matt, it was never brought up. And even

1415
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,640
you know

1416
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,880
and because I think they sold that on

1417
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,319
the fact that you know they would make

1418
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,160
not because these people lived in Wooden

1419
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,480
Hills all three of them

1420
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,319
>> so we wouldn't have angry neighbors.

1421
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,880
>> Your requested motion is you you have it

1422
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,480
here. I mean, this you'd like to do at

1423
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,680
the next meeting, but then you you said

1424
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,040
you'd like to change it a little bit so

1425
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,359
that

1426
00:56:57,359 --> 00:56:59,359
>> Well, I would I would be in favor of

1427
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:02,400
changing it for an original homeowner

1428
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,000
who's not ever had a grinder pump and

1429
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,480
not ever had a grinder pump replaced.

1430
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,079
We're not talking many people.

1431
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,640
>> Well, out of the 432 or 452, how many

1432
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,680
would that be?

1433
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,559
>> No, no, no. 452. Only 32 have grinder

1434
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:16,799
pumps.

1435
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:19,040
>> Oh, so out of the 32, how many would

1436
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,760
>> We only have a couple. I was told at one

1437
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,200
time it was when I did this it was only

1438
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,720
a couple people.

1439
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,319
>> Why to replace them if they're not

1440
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:27,119
busting?

1441
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,520
>> Exactly. But if they come and they have

1442
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,200
an issue, then I think myself I think

1443
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,920
the the sewer fund should pay for it if

1444
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,319
they're the original homeowner and has

1445
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,640
never had it done. That's the only thing

1446
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,799
I'm saying to be fair to everybody

1447
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:45,119
because I Where's my list?

1448
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:46,400
>> Well, because because other people have

1449
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,680
benefited from it. So

1450
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,160
>> Oh my gosh. So then why should you

1451
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,880
>> 32 homeowners have benefited from it and

1452
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,480
there's sometimes it's been a couple

1453
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,319
times,

1454
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:58,079
>> right? So not not there's 32 grinder

1455
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,640
pumps but not all of them have had been

1456
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,040
replaced. So there's been 20ome that

1457
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,559
have that have had them replaced is what

1458
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:05,040
you're

1459
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,520
>> most the majority of them have have had

1460
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,319
it replaced.

1461
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:09,839
>> So I'm just using them. So okay.

1462
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:11,520
>> Yeah, that majority of them had it

1463
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,000
replaced. I was just trying to do what's

1464
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,480
right for those homeowners that have

1465
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,240
never had the sewer fund. I say sewer

1466
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,760
fund because I was told the name of

1467
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,000
that, not the utility. It's the sewer

1468
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,640
fund. You know who I'm talking about. Um

1469
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,119
anyway, so that's um the sewer fund

1470
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,040
should pay for those original homeowner

1471
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,799
who has never had the grinder pump

1472
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,359
replaced. And that's only a couple

1473
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,040
people though. I have to I have to

1474
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,119
confess it's not a lot.

1475
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:40,640
>> Would there be any legal issue around

1476
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,760
that? Yeah.

1477
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,240
>> So it

1478
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:44,480
>> um

1479
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,400
>> otherwise everybody gets to it. We turn

1480
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,040
off everybody.

1481
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,720
>> I think that would be a cleaner way to

1482
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,559
do it. It just cut everybody than

1483
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:51,760
>> I was just trying to be fair. That's

1484
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,280
fine.

1485
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,760
>> So uh at the time municipal law

1486
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,880
litigation attorney Macy opined on this

1487
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,400
in a letter dated May 8th, 2024.

1488
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,359
Um, Dan, I'll ask you I'll ask that you

1489
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:06,720
send this to the board for their

1490
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,720
consideration, but uh, Attorney Macy did

1491
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,720
note the following uh, in regards to

1492
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,920
grinder pumps and costs. Um, you

1493
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,200
reference a policy that was written in

1494
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,200
1992. However, the attached documents

1495
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,119
only include a 1989 letter from the

1496
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,480
district chairman setting forth the

1497
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,920
financing plan for the district's

1498
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,559
distributions of sewer costs. Assuming

1499
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:27,839
you are referencing this letter, there

1500
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:29,280
is nothing that specifically references

1501
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,720
grinder pumps installation or

1502
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,920
maintenance costs. Therefore, it is

1503
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,000
unclear who would be responsible for

1504
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,440
grinder pump replacement and

1505
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,240
maintenance. The July 2020 sanitary

1506
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,960
district ordinance you s you provide is

1507
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,559
unsigned.

1508
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:44,559
Assuming there is a signed version and

1509
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,720
this ordinance was put into effect, the

1510
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,880
language states clearly that the

1511
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,559
district is only responsible for

1512
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,319
maintenance and replacement of grinder

1513
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:54,640
pumps installed by the district prior to

1514
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,960
July 1st, 2020. Mhm.

1515
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,400
>> Property owners are responsible for

1516
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,160
costs of all grinder pumps installed

1517
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,400
post July 1st, 2020.

1518
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,040
>> Right.

1519
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,559
>> That be most of I mean that might be all

1520
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:05,760
of them.

1521
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,760
>> I also note that language in section

1522
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,880
1805 sub4 of the village draft sewer

1523
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,720
code clearly states that the cost of

1524
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,839
installation and maintenance of the

1525
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:15,760
grinder pumps is a responsibility of the

1526
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,760
property owner.

1527
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,599
My recommendation would be to include

1528
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,400
language in the new sewer code including

1529
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,799
reference to the list of grandfather

1530
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,440
properties potentially including the

1531
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,400
language from the code and list as

1532
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,720
exhibits. For example, you could create

1533
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,839
section 1805 sub4 subd, which would

1534
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:38,000
state something such as, "All grinder

1535
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,720
pumps installed by the town of Lisbon

1536
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,400
sanitary district number one prior to

1537
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,440
July 1st, 2020 shall be maintained,

1538
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,359
repaired, and replaced by the village of

1539
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,440
Lisbon, pursuant to town of Lisbon,

1540
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,799
sanitary district number one, sewer

1541
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:54,160
service code section 1.14,

1542
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,480
C. Exhibit A. The only parcels eligible

1543
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,160
for maintenance, repair, or replacement

1544
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,160
of a grinder pump by the Village of

1545
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,480
Lisbon are listed in exhibit B. No

1546
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,160
additional parcels shall be added to

1547
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,000
that list.

1548
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,680
So that was in 2024. And I think what

1549
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,720
Linda's referencing is that that was not

1550
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,440
legally adopted by the board because the

1551
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,920
board has yet to

1552
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,359
um has yet to attach a new sewer service

1553
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:22,000
code.

1554
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,240
>> Right. And that's I talked to Kathy a

1555
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,760
couple times before Dan got it. I said,

1556
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,920
'When are you going to do this? And she

1557
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,520
because of everything else being

1558
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,920
becoming v the village. I understand.

1559
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,520
She said she didn't have time to do

1560
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,200
this.

1561
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,520
>> Did the board vote? So three of the

1562
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,040
three of you were here. Did you vote on

1563
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:39,760
this at that time?

1564
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,520
>> No, no, no, no. I'm the only one.

1565
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:47,520
>> No, no. But did this come to the to the town board in in in uh July or in

1566
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,119
2024?

1567
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,000
It did uh for discussion, but it did not

1568
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,400
um

1569
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,160
>> it did not become approved because

1570
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,079
therefore the referenced exhibits and

1571
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,400
code had not yet been codified or

1572
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,760
created under the new

1573
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:04,240
>> right

1574
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,559
>> sewer ordinance. Um Dan, I guess

1575
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,079
administratively, can you speak to the

1576
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,640
difference that the committee has held

1577
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,720
off on?

1578
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,799
Well, the reason that we're taking off

1579
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:17,119
on doing work on the sewer code itself

1580
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,280
is because we're going through a sewer

1581
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,440
service area amendment right now. So, we

1582
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,280
potentially could have new policies in

1583
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,680
place that are going to are going to be

1584
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,839
related to um connection fees and

1585
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:31,920
whatever else that goes along with sewer

1586
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,319
service expansion because of the fact

1587
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:37,359
that we time anticipated that Highway K

1588
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:40,000
was priority for getting sewer gravity

1589
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,079
sore for this pool. Mhm.

1590
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,319
>> So that's why we held off thinking that

1591
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:46,880
would be an a 12 to 18 month process and

1592
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,960
that we would probably already be

1593
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,200
opening up the code for amendment. But

1594
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,319
that process is a little slower than

1595
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:55,520
anticipated um

1596
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,480
>> years slower and it's costing actually

1597
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,559
it's costing the sewer fund money by

1598
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,799
pushing it off and that's why I'm trying

1599
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:05,599
to say can't we just pass you know a

1600
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,599
change to the ordinance at this point

1601
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:09,760
and do it. So, was the board were the

1602
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,559
three of you in favor of making that

1603
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:15,520
change when the code was rewritten or

1604
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,640
>> It wasn't rewritten.

1605
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,240
>> No, when it was going to be down the

1606
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,119
line. Was was that was do you guys rec

1607
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:22,559
was I mean again if it was just

1608
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,000
discussion item there was no formal

1609
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,359
action but was the three or five board

1610
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:31,119
members in favor of that or not?

1611
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:32,480
I guess it doesn't matter too much, but

1612
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,839
>> I believe they were. And I also I also

1613
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:39,920
was was asked why let's wait until it's

1614
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,599
codified or whatever because it's going

1615
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,520
to save money. However, can't we now it

1616
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,599
been so long? It's how long has Kathy

1617
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,079
been gone? You know, how long has Dan

1618
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,640
been here? It's just an ongoing thing. I

1619
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,319
just say, let's just get going on this.

1620
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:56,000
Make the change and let's get going and

1621
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,400
let's just make whatever has to be done.

1622
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,240
I'm just kind of frustrated with it.

1623
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,640
Truthfully, I feel like I'm the only one

1624
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,319
sitting out here watching out for the

1625
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:06,559
sewer fund. Truthfully,

1626
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,640
>> would we have to do a public meeting

1627
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,000
about it? Because it would

1628
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,599
>> No, it's not an amendment to the zoning

1629
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,599
code, so you don't need to do a public

1630
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:14,799
hearing.

1631
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:16,960
>> But would it be wise to do something

1632
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,240
instead of just

1633
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,319
>> if you just cut everyone off from

1634
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:23,359
grinder pump repair? Uh, you might get

1635
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:24,240
quite a bit of

1636
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,760
>> You might get wooded hills here. They

1637
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,200
will be you're going to get I mean

1638
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,880
that's fine just as long as they know

1639
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,680
without doing it.

1640
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,880
>> You're going to get people after the

1641
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,440
fact thinking that the board did

1642
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,880
something that

1643
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,920
>> I think they should be maybe set letter

1644
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920
sent to them that this is what we did or

1645
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,599
whatever just to notify them because

1646
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,200
they need to know in case something goes

1647
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,960
with theirs that they don't call

1648
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,599
delellic if it goes off at 6:00 in the

1649
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,680
morning if it was theirs. They might

1650
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,680
wait till 8:00 in the morning to call a

1651
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,280
plumber and say, "Hey, I've got an

1652
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,319
issue." Rather than whatever. That's

1653
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:58,079
all.

1654
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,559
That's This is all

1655
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,799
my experience and I'm relaying that like

1656
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:04,559
Mark says, I'm an odd duck out here

1657
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,240
because I know what happened in the very

1658
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,760
beginning.

1659
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,960
>> I said you're an odd duck.

1660
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,280
>> You did what?

1661
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,760
>> You did. I don't know. Quite a while

1662
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,039
ago.

1663
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,640
>> I think we're all odd ducks. I mean,

1664
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,720
everyone's got their odd duck. I admit

1665
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,520
I'm an odd duck, but I I do and as you

1666
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,599
guys know, I do watch the money.

1667
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,319
>> I'm I'm very not for what's best for the

1668
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:28,559
village. I'm really do that's one of my

1669
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:30,799
big things. And this is we have to be

1670
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:34,480
honest to we have to be fair to the 452

1671
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,119
current users. That's all.

1672
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:38,960
>> We paid enough after 37 years. I guess

1673
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,079
if we're if we're going to talk about

1674
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:44,960
fair, we we the last line that I said

1675
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,280
about this, the July 1st, 2020 date was

1676
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,599
a was a um it wasn't just a board

1677
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,839
decision. It was it it was a very

1678
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:56,480
in-depth it included public input. It

1679
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,359
included council review. It included

1680
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:01,359
recommendations from the sitting board

1681
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:05,440
members. So, um I I guess there there's

1682
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,440
really nothing that has changed since

1683
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,119
the board. Um and I'll just say they

1684
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,359
opined that we never formally motioned

1685
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:15,839
or approved an ordinance change. So,

1686
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:20,960
I'll just say it was opined and that was the I guess agreement that we

1687
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,400
came to a consensus. Now, that was a

1688
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,319
different board, but I don't think

1689
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,880
there's anything overwhelmingly changing

1690
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,280
since then. Um there's there's a lot of

1691
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,359
lack of documentation from the inception

1692
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:36,000
of the system to really explain

1693
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,680
>> what happened and why it happened. And

1694
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,280
I think it was a very responsible

1695
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,160
decision that the board came to

1696
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,319
and just for a lack of better terms, the

1697
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,079
code wasn't ready to be rewritten. So

1698
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,480
the board didn't the board didn't take

1699
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,880
action on it. and we we knew we were

1700
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,599
taking a new board into consideration

1701
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:57,680
and and that was the choice of that

1702
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,160
current board to leave it open. So, uh

1703
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,799
>> yes, we we we know that it cost money,

1704
01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:07,280
but it also

1705
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:12,799
saved the then sanitary lots of money in

1706
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:14,079
the front end because of how they

1707
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,829
designed the system.

1708
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:19,839
Are you talking about the original

1709
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:21,200
engineers?

1710
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,240
>> Yeah, I mean

1711
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,680
>> Oh, no, you're wrong.

1712
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:24,559
>> The the uh

1713
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,000
>> there were a lot of mistakes that they

1714
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,400
made.

1715
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,400
>> I guess what I'm Let me clarify make

1716
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,640
more sense. There was design standards

1717
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,640
that were used that we can't prove why

1718
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,359
they were or weren't used, but

1719
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:38,960
>> it has been the recommendation of our

1720
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,039
engineers today that these design

1721
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,799
standards would have never

1722
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:44,960
>> been utilized. And to whose fault that

1723
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,720
was? Was it the sanitary? Was it the

1724
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:47,599
village or

1725
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,359
>> it's the engineers that we hired to do

1726
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:50,720
the proper work?

1727
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,280
>> Right. But they they were something we

1728
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,799
inherited.

1729
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:56,720
>> Exactly. And that's why we need to move

1730
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,839
on. I don't I myself I don't want to go

1731
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:01,440
through we've been through this process

1732
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,920
before. We have paid the attorney. We

1733
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,240
have paid this and we have paid that. To

1734
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,799
me, I just want it on the books. If

1735
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:12,559
either yes, we do it or no, we don't. I would like it. I would like it on the

1736
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:14,480
books. We do it because it's been

1737
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,120
stretched out so far. This has been from

1738
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,920
1920. Okay. The 2020 1920 2020 is maybe

1739
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,159
when this whole thing started and we've

1740
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:27,359
been waiting six years so far. Six years

1741
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,000
so far. And I don't want another two and

1742
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,679
three and four years and going through

1743
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:34,159
the same thing.

1744
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:37,679
I I'm not for that. I'm tired. I'm tired

1745
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,480
of pain.

1746
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,560
I don't want to talk about personal. I'm

1747
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,279
talking about the sewer fund residents.

1748
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,040
I don't want to see them pay any more

1749
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,560
than they have to. To me, you know, just

1750
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,560
very unfair. I would like to see this

1751
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,480
ended myself.

1752
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:56,960
>> Are you are you in uh disagreement with

1753
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,480
the what the attorney recommended that

1754
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:02,799
the board adopt? Mhm. Because I don't at

1755
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,080
the time there was a lot of question

1756
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,560
about we talked about oh what is he you

1757
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,839
know we didn't kind of think about that

1758
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:11,279
you know what his we were kind of

1759
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,040
surprised at what he said.

1760
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,799
>> Can you explain what the attorney

1761
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,799
recommended? Hi.

1762
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,400
>> All grinder pumps installed by the Town

1763
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,159
of Lisbon Sanitary District number one

1764
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:22,400
prior to July 1st, 2020 shall be

1765
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,080
maintained, repaired, and replaced by

1766
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,480
the Village of Lisbon pursuant to the

1767
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,319
Town of Lisbon Sanitary District number

1768
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,920
one, sewer service code section 1.14.

1769
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,560
C. Exhibit A. The only parcels eligible

1770
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,560
for maintenance, repair, or replacement

1771
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,719
of a grinder pump by the Village of

1772
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:41,359
Lisbon are listed in exhibit B. No

1773
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,359
additional parcel shall be added.

1774
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,799
>> So essentially, what's already

1775
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,560
Except that the exhibit is not in the

1776
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:48,960
code.

1777
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,799
>> Neither exhibit are in the code. How

1778
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,640
many houses are he is he talking about

1779
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,080
in the exhibit?

1780
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,880
>> Uh there's like

1781
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,120
>> grandfathered 32 comes to mind.

1782
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,480
>> That would be grandfathered.

1783
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:02,719
>> 32

1784
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,960
that we would that we would have to

1785
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:05,840
maintain.

1786
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,080
>> But now don't forget this

1787
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,440
>> 30 some to start with.

1788
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,400
>> Yeah. Don't forget

1789
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,080
>> we haven't had any new grinder pumps

1790
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,199
added.

1791
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,280
>> No. No. That's what I said. Um, don't

1792
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,320
forget now these homes have changed

1793
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,199
hands over the years. Changed hands over

1794
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:24,880
the years. So there's I don't feel an

1795
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,440
allegiance to those myself that the

1796
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,840
people that actually paid their money to

1797
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,600
go in and have the sewer installed.

1798
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,080
Those homeowners are gone. Rick and I

1799
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,080
have been in our house 51 years, so

1800
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,239
we're a little older, but most houses

1801
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,040
have changed hands all this time. I just

1802
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,360
would like to I would just like I'd like

1803
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,440
to get this taken care of. I'm asking

1804
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:48,800
for your help to do that.

1805
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,199
>> I don't think it should be forever.

1806
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:52,480
>> What's forever?

1807
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:54,320
>> The grandfathered ones get replaced

1808
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,000
until the house part down.

1809
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,320
>> No, I Are we reading this?

1810
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,640
>> Yeah. I think uh

1811
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,600
>> it sounds weird.

1812
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,080
>> Yeah.

1813
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,080
>> At most I could see you get one last

1814
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,760
replacement, check you off the list, you

1815
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,320
got replaced and you're done. No, I I

1816
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,040
myself think, well, why wouldn't in 2020

1817
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,560
that should have been happen because we

1818
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,159
and it was at a standstill on

1819
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,320
everything. So, it's costing the

1820
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,239
district more money and more money every

1821
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,400
time someone gets a grinder pump repair

1822
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,560
that we shouldn't have had replaced. And

1823
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,280
I guarantee you our costs are going to

1824
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,040
go up this fall. I know they're going to

1825
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,880
go up to pay for all those grinder

1826
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,679
pumps.

1827
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:32,000
>> What's the significance of 2020? Why is

1828
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,080
there Why is that the cut off? That was

1829
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,239
when we That was when we were at town

1830
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:39,760
and first did the we did a public

1831
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,840
meeting and and that was the date that

1832
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,120
we decided. Yep.

1833
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:43,840
>> Was the

1834
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,159
>> It was picked out by who? I have no I

1835
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:47,040
didn't pick it out.

1836
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,320
>> It was by the town board.

1837
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:48,640
>> Yeah.

1838
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,480
>> So, I guess I want to make sure I

1839
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,640
understand. So, is are we talking about

1840
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,239
if you have a new grinder pump system

1841
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,480
installed or are we talking about if you

1842
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,159
actually have the actual pump is

1843
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,560
replaced then it's then it's considered

1844
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:03,840
new. But

1845
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,400
>> everything

1846
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,239
>> I think no there's a distinction in

1847
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:07,440
there and I think that's where I said

1848
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,040
something and then you correct and you

1849
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,159
corrected me. I'm not

1850
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:15,520
>> I I'm I'm absolutely with you Matt. The way we remove that is we we got into

1851
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,239
a long debate about what is transfer of

1852
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:19,760
ownership. You know what happens if

1853
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,400
somebody has say just for term a husband

1854
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,960
wife want to transfer their property

1855
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,199
from their name to a trust.

1856
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,440
>> Is that a transfer of ownership? Mhm.

1857
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,520
>> Our attorney at the time advised that

1858
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,159
you do not want to get into

1859
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:37,360
>> those because that will create

1860
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,280
individual cases of review,

1861
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:39,760
>> right?

1862
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,600
>> So, you know, if if you had one and you

1863
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,600
changed from being just a singular

1864
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,280
person to a trust,

1865
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,040
>> is that transfer of ownership because

1866
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,400
you now entrusted it to somebody?

1867
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,159
He said he said at the time it was not

1868
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,199
worth the legal review fees or court

1869
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,840
battles to do that. So that's why that's

1870
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,800
why we picked just a singular date. And

1871
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,199
even if you've had four grinder pumps

1872
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:07,760
replaced prior to

1873
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,400
the July 1st, 2020,

1874
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,840
um you you only get one more because it

1875
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,800
would be after that date.

1876
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,280
>> So

1877
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,800
>> one more after the date.

1878
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,199
>> Yeah. So say say you had four installed

1879
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:24,080
prior to July 1st, 2020.

1880
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,600
>> We we had been paying for those.

1881
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,000
>> This is coming back to me now. And now

1882
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,320
you want your fifth grinder pump.

1883
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,280
>> Okay,

1884
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,600
>> post July 1st, 2020.

1885
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,600
>> That would be your last one forever.

1886
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:36,880
Doesn't matter about transfer of

1887
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,080
ownership. Doesn't matter if your house

1888
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,280
burns down. Doesn't matter if somebody

1889
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,199
steals your grinder from

1890
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,750
>> right

1891
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:46,960
» the cost of everything. You never know.

1892
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,560
>> Yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is

1893
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,159
that's why we didn't want to get he

1894
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:51,600
recommended to keep it clean and clear

1895
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,600
so that we did not get any into any

1896
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,280
lurggious battles of of that kind.

1897
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,880
>> If you make a date, it doesn't matter

1898
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,800
what the scenario is.

1899
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,920
>> You you have a date.

1900
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,679
>> Oh, that makes what I was talking about.

1901
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:04,239
>> And

1902
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:05,760
>> so basically, we would we would

1903
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,199
potentially have to replace every pump.

1904
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:09,440
>> Yeah.

1905
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:11,760
>> No, no, because there is there has been

1906
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,000
several replaced post 2020 that would

1907
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:14,960
never get replaced again.

1908
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,280
>> Okay. So, how many are we talking about?

1909
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:17,440
I

1910
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:18,719
>> I don't have an updated list. My last

1911
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:20,159
list is from 2021.

1912
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,640
>> There was 32 gr 32 grinder pumps.

1913
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,800
>> No, that that that 32 that 32 is not

1914
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,719
>> a qualifying list. That is an incumbent

1915
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:32,000
list of all grinder pumps. That is not an eligible list.

1916
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,360
>> Okay. I'm just I'm just looking for what

1917
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,320
the total liability.

1918
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,719
>> He's saying who would be who could be

1919
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:40,719
>> the liability.

1920
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:42,960
I think that's complicated myself.

1921
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,640
>> Then come up with come up with a better

1922
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,040
scenario. But that but that was I guess

1923
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,400
you're just saying shut the faucet off

1924
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,520
on these people.

1925
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,280
>> It's been it's been six years since this

1926
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,960
has been going on as you know. We just

1927
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,600
read to me I just cut it off. I would

1928
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,800
just cut it off.

1929
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,080
>> You would just cut it off or you would

1930
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,239
say that someone who hasn't gotten one

1931
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:01,760
in the past gets still gets one.

1932
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:02,800
>> Well that's what I said but

1933
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,640
>> No. And which Okay. Well I mean yeah. So

1934
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,080
there I guess there's a minor difference

1935
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:06,480
but

1936
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,520
>> Okay. I'm okay with if someone has never

1937
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,719
had the grinder pump

1938
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:14,719
replaced. Do we say from the original

1939
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,000
owner?

1940
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
>> No. So that that is that is not going to

1941
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,679
work. We've already explored that

1942
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:22,480
because we do not have we do not have

1943
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,040
quality records to prove or disprove.

1944
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,400
>> Therefore, the attorney recommended we

1945
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,800
do not get into that battle because

1946
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,719
>> one our records are horrible

1947
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:33,120
>> and two now we're battling ownership

1948
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:33,520
again.

1949
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,000
>> I know.

1950
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,000
>> So he that's why the date came and and

1951
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,280
that was that was the

1952
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,960
>> Yeah, I remember that.

1953
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,719
But we've done 10 of them in the last

1954
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:43,360
six years.

1955
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,040
>> Yeah, there two of them I know of this

1956
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,280
year that we've done that we just did

1957
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,239
one again.

1958
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,159
>> Yeah. So once I update

1959
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:53,360
>> $5,000 we just did another one.

1960
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,880
>> So if this went to the utility committee

1961
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,120
meeting next time for an actual

1962
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,960
recommendation and not that it has to,

1963
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,880
but if if it did,

1964
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,640
>> they said they they've said

1965
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,920
>> it was you said they made a

1966
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,760
recommendation. Was the recommendation

1967
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,520
to make this change or was the

1968
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,199
recommendation to not make the change? I

1969
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:13,360
mean, you can recommend it either way.

1970
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,760
>> The recommendation was that

1971
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,280
>> which that went to the board and the

1972
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,679
board chose not to

1973
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:20,560
>> place it in code.

1974
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:21,840
>> This because because of

1975
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,040
>> No, the previous board.

1976
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:23,440
>> Yeah.

1977
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:24,800
>> Not not this current sitting

1978
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,239
>> because of because of the principle of

1979
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:31,440
it or because of the logistics of the

1980
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,040
>> logistics. Okay. The principle they were

1981
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,719
not opposed to. No,

1982
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,000
>> but but they were also at the end of

1983
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,719
their terms and didn't want they wanted

1984
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:40,239
it to be up to the next board.

1985
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:41,679
>> Yeah.

1986
01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:44,080
>> And here we are.

1987
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,840
>> Well, if we're if we agree with it in

1988
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,920
principle, this is the reason people

1989
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,679
think government's dopey because we're

1990
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,520
just going to like not do it because

1991
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,440
it's not convenient for a code thing.

1992
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:54,480
We're doing it because it's right or

1993
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,400
it's wrong. We're doing it or we're not

1994
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,199
doing it because it's right.

1995
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:00,080
>> What's what's the requirement of what has to happen in the code? I mean,

1996
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,199
is is it is it that much of a burden? I

1997
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,920
mean honestly we have if every grinder

1998
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,120
pump ad installed after 2020 you install

1999
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,719
it once and you never install it again.

2000
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,000
I mean you could consider just

2001
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,560
installing all the grinder pumps and

2002
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,520
then be done with it but otherwise no

2003
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,080
the code you would have to modify or

2004
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,719
remove that section of code and then

2005
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:26,719
just remove liability. So you

2006
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,480
>> and we just added to it when it when

2007
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:29,520
everything is changed.

2008
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,000
>> So you modify section 32.05 5 U par D

2009
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,400
par five that's where it references the

2010
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,280
July 1st 2020 deadline and then say all

2011
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,040
grinder pumps be prepared and maintained

2012
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,640
by owners

2013
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,120
>> and that just requires a vote of the

2014
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,000
board.

2015
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:48,560
>> Yep.

2016
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,199
>> Yes.

2017
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:50,560
>> I guess we got to figure out if we want

2018
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,080
to do the everybody gets one free

2019
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,159
>> that July 1st 2020 date in there makes

2020
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:56,719
sense.

2021
01:17:56,719 --> 01:17:58,560
>> No, not to me. I'm sorry. Well, no. You

2022
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,800
know how again how do you

2023
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,600
>> I would just I myself I wouldn't even

2024
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,440
give it a date. Like if you put okay

2025
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:07,440
let's give them a little time January

2026
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:09,280
1st. Well what happens to those there's

2027
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:10,960
people on January 2nd they're going to

2028
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,719
complain that they're not that theirs

2029
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:14,080
isn't replaced. We're always going to

2030
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:15,199
have a problem with the date.

2031
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:17,440
>> So it's it's either July 1st 2020 or

2032
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:20,000
it's no nothing. No one gets one

2033
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,120
>> with the the reason why we didn't post

2034
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,840
like set a date to be eclipsed in the

2035
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,199
future is because of the fact that there

2036
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:31,120
would be people qualifying that would

2037
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,120
run

2038
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,480
>> anything and everything down their

2039
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,120
grinder boat.

2040
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,400
>> Yes. And break it

2041
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,159
>> intentionally sabotage it. And now we

2042
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:41,280
are on the burden to prove or disprove

2043
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,000
>> Yeah.

2044
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,640
>> their negligence or a mechanical

2045
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:45,440
failure.

2046
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:45,840
>> Yes.

2047
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,360
>> Yeah. I remember this discussion though.

2048
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,560
>> Yeah.

2049
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:48,960
So,

2050
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,159
>> so it's an issue.

2051
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:53,280
>> We we we I mean this is this has been

2052
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,080
exhausted.

2053
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:55,360
>> I'm tired of this.

2054
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,920
>> Well, right. But it it I mean the

2055
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,159
current code Dan, can you just you want

2056
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,040
to read it?

2057
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,040
>> Yeah. This is a village for all grinder

2058
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,120
pumps installed by the former sanitary

2059
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,920
district on or before July 1st, 2020

2060
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,400
shall maintain, repair, and if

2061
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,320
necessary, replace the grinder pump

2062
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,920
subject to the following conditions.

2063
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Property owner shall consent to entry

2064
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,679
upon property serviced by the grinder

2065
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:20,560
pump of employees. Contractors employed

2066
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,320
by the village for the purpose of

2067
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,480
maintaining, repairing and or replacing

2068
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,440
the grinder pump. The property owner

2069
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,920
annually consents to the inspection of

2070
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,560
the grinder pump and the property owner

2071
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,320
complies with all rules, regulations,

2072
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,400
policies adopted by the village for the

2073
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,960
operation and use of the gr.

2074
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,159
>> We're inspecting these every year. So

2075
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:44,400
that was a practice we discontinued

2076
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,840
because the inspections were not the

2077
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,840
inspections were not worth the juice and

2078
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,760
squeeze kind of principle. We we were

2079
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,040
paying for inspections to be done on

2080
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,320
pumps that hadn't failed or weren't

2081
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,280
going to fail and we didn't know when

2082
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,760
they were going to fail. So we forewent

2083
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,640
>> all inspections and is determined it was

2084
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,239
just fiscally responsible to wait till

2085
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:03,120
it happened.

2086
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,760
>> For years we paid I think it was $350

2087
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,719
per grinder pump.

2088
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:08,960
Okay.

2089
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,960
>> So, this is not this is not

2090
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,120
>> I think this code section does not

2091
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,880
necessarily reflect what maybe the the

2092
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,679
board's intention is because the the way

2093
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:21,440
it's read if I'm looking at this from a

2094
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:22,960
resident is that you're going to

2095
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,440
maintain, replace, repair my grinder

2096
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:28,880
pump because it was installed for 2020

2097
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,159
uh in perpetuity.

2098
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,159
>> Well, then do we have to qualify it one

2099
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:33,760
time only?

2100
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,920
>> I would one qualifying event and you're

2101
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,239
done. This is the existing code or this

2102
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:39,440
is the proposed.

2103
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:41,360
>> This is the exist.

2104
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,280
>> We can't be stuck on this for ever.

2105
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,640
>> We got to put something on.

2106
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:47,120
>> Yes.

2107
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,480
>> How did how did that date come in if

2108
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:50,480
nothing was passed in 2024?

2109
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:52,159
>> I think I don't know who did that.

2110
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:54,880
>> There was there was the date of 2020 was

2111
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,840
approved

2112
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,040
>> around that time.

2113
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,040
>> But we never we never did an exhibit

2114
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,080
list or so. there is no exhibits

2115
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,280
referenced in the code

2116
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:04,880
>> and that's too much bookkeeping and it

2117
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,880
>> but I mean even if an exhibit list was

2118
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,000
placed in the code it's still based on

2119
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,080
this language makes it seem like it's in

2120
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,679
perpetuity.

2121
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:15,280
Well, then we have to add language that

2122
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,280
it's one qualifying event or however

2123
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,960
youally state that.

2124
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,320
>> We either got to figure out if we're

2125
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,600
cutting it off now or we're giving

2126
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,430
everybody one.

2127
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,840
So, those are the two choices we got.

2128
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,840
>> And then sunset it eventually too. You

2129
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,679
leave it open forever. Like

2130
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:33,920
>> why can I ask why you would why why

2131
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,600
would you have the residents pay one

2132
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,320
more grinder pump repair, one more

2133
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,040
replacement, one more whatever? Is it a

2134
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,600
replacement? Is it a repair? Is it this

2135
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,440
or is it that? You you know, there's a

2136
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:48,159
lot of questions.

2137
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:49,440
>> I'm just saying those are the two main

2138
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:50,800
ideas that make sense to me.

2139
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:51,360
>> I know

2140
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,040
>> that make any sense. There's other ones

2141
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,120
that I don't think would work.

2142
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,960
>> I think those are the two viable options

2143
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:57,600
we have.

2144
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,400
>> I personally think this has gone on far

2145
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,800
enough long enough. I myself

2146
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,960
would vote for it. We have to cut it

2147
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,159
off.

2148
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:09,679
>> Right. So that's where Linda is. Mark,

2149
01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:13,840
you're on the committee as well. What would what's your thought?

2150
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,920
>> Um I I mean I I'm still with where the

2151
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,360
attorneys at in 2024. Um I don't think

2152
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,199
it's that far off from our current code,

2153
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:23,360
but there they're just the way it's

2154
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,440
currently written. I think there's uh

2155
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:30,000
loopholes that could be exercised and I mean that that's why we forwent

2156
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,920
these inspections because they were just

2157
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,159
costing money and

2158
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:35,679
um

2159
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:37,440
yeah,

2160
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,360
there's a lot of history. there's a lot

2161
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,360
of lack of documentation of the history

2162
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,199
that we had to make up for and that's

2163
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:45,600
kind of where the current code was. Um

2164
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,080
I'm not opposed to

2165
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:52,000
um reworking the code, but I'm I am also

2166
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,920
not I guess I'm not in favor of just

2167
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,440
completely cutting it off. I think there

2168
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,400
has to be a criteria to it and and it's

2169
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,760
got to be a simp simple criteria

2170
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,120
kind of much in line with what we

2171
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,960
already currently have. So if we go with

2172
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,120
that date though, then we would be we

2173
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,199
would there would be 10 homeowners that

2174
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:13,199
would be cut off and never get another

2175
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:14,320
one moving forward.

2176
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:15,040
>> 10?

2177
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,239
>> Yes. If there's if there's 32 total and

2178
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:21,199
10 have been replaced in the last uh six

2179
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:23,840
years, then we would be on we would

2180
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,880
still say we would replace 22 more that

2181
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,239
have not been replaced in the last six

2182
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:32,400
years. Is that is that what I'm hearing?

2183
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,679
>> That's how I understood that.

2184
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:34,719
>> That's the way that's the way it's

2185
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:37,199
written right now.

2186
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:38,320
Right, Dan?

2187
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,000
>> No, that's the way it's written in the

2188
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,440
>> Well, I mean, yeah,

2189
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:45,360
>> there's 12 that have been replaced.

2190
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:46,000
>> 12.

2191
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,159
been replaced since 2020? July 1st,

2192
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:48,800
2020.

2193
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,990
>> Yeah.

2194
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,280
» So, and how how many how many outlying

2195
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,280
grinder pumps were installed by the

2196
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,840
sanitary district on or before July 1st,

2197
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,199
2020

2198
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:02,560
>> that are currently out there?

2199
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,600
>> Is that 20?

2200
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,440
>> 20. I gave you that big whole sheet. I

2201
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:06,320
gave you all that work

2202
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,080
>> that have been I thought that was a 12.

2203
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:22,950
No, that haven't. Oh, haven't

2204
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,520
» Oh, there's 20

2205
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,440
21 or 22. I got to count which ones

2206
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:32,320
because this is only updated to the be

2207
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,840
January this year. I don't remember if

2208
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,040
we did two or three this year,

2209
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,199
>> but but anything after 2020, July 1st,

2210
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:39,040
2020 doesn't count because they were on

2211
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,719
their own.

2212
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:42,480
So any pump that's six years,

2213
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:44,719
>> right? But I'm saying that I've counted

2214
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:48,239
23, but I I think we've replaced two of

2215
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:51,600
these that still show a date of 14. So I

2216
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,400
think we're around 2020 that are were

2217
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:59,040
installed before July 2020. So the fact

2218
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,400
that we've done that numbers don't add

2219
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,480
up to me that sounds like we have

2220
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:04,480
replaced one of these grinder pumps

2221
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:07,120
twice in the last six years.

2222
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,040
We the only one I can think of is

2223
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,840
recently somebody had a grinder pump

2224
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,760
that was

2225
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,679
I think there's two and one of them were

2226
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,920
trying to get money back from uh the

2227
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,360
energies because it was an issue that

2228
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,360
they had a boring and then that clogged

2229
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:24,800
up. So, that one I'm not going to count.

2230
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,880
We get the money back from We Energies

2231
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,840
or Michael did. Uh, but there was one

2232
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,000
that just recently that was installed a

2233
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,000
year ago that we just had to

2234
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,560
>> Can you state for the record to not all

2235
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,520
of the 32 are in people's homes? Can you

2236
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,080
state how many are outside of the homes?

2237
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,600
>> No, I have

2238
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:50,080
>> I believe they're I don't know. You mean like that that

2239
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,280
are in like the road

2240
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,320
>> that are in the private the private uh

2241
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,840
>> I believe they're in the home.

2242
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,840
>> Not not all of them

2243
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,679
>> because we have some just in like by

2244
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:01,120
bramble that we were talking about that

2245
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,679
there was pumpkin.

2246
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:04,159
>> Yes.

2247
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,159
>> Yeah. I don't know how many

2248
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:08,320
>> it's say that in Bramble you just heard

2249
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:08,639
what

2250
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:12,639
>> so when we discussed Golf Hills Drive

2251
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:13,840
remember we had somebody that wanted to

2252
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,880
hook up. Yeah. There are some

2253
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,639
individual force manes that have a

2254
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:20,000
grinder pump that are outside of the

2255
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,000
home, but they're still with they're

2256
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,360
still in their lateral. So, they're

2257
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:24,159
still

2258
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:25,520
>> on the property of the home.

2259
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,760
>> The property. Okay.

2260
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,760
>> Do we have do we have installation dates

2261
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,080
of all these other pumps?

2262
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,920
>> We have placed in service dates.

2263
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,760
>> Not going way back though, do you? Well,

2264
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,560
wait a minute. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. we

2265
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,030
have we have isolation.

2266
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,840
» So I I think the board can reach a

2267
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,440
consensus and we take formal action on

2268
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:52,320
it at the next meeting that we either

2269
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,880
leave it so that the sanitary district

2270
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,360
or so that the san district is paying

2271
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,360
for all of them moving forward like they

2272
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,520
are now effectively that they're paying

2273
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,760
for none and homeowners are are

2274
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,120
responsible for everything or we have it

2275
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,199
as a date. I mean, those are the three

2276
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:11,120
options that we that we have.

2277
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,000
>> Yeah. Let me uh

2278
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,679
>> the other option. Can we us offer a

2279
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:15,760
payout to get them off of it and say

2280
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:16,960
we're closing this and give them a

2281
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,080
thousand bucks? Call it a day.

2282
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,360
>> That's a lot better than our last

2283
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:22,800
>> I think Linda's gonna be on that one.

2284
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,719
>> Uh I think so.

2285
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:25,120
>> Yeah.

2286
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,280
>> So, here the these were um so back in

2287
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,920
2024, we did come up with um a few

2288
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,480
options. Option one, the property owner

2289
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:34,400
is responsible for all maintenance and

2290
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,239
replacement of the grinder pumps and

2291
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,040
sewer laterals to the property line.

2292
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,880
This was the proposed new code approved

2293
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,000
by the committee. Two, the village is

2294
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,880
responsible for those original sewer

2295
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,719
grinder pump connections done before

2296
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:51,840
2020 for replacement of grinder pumps

2297
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,440
and property owners are responsible for

2298
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,239
bianual maintenance and repairs. Option

2299
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:57,920
three, the village is responsible for

2300
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,320
those original sewer connections done

2301
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,560
before 2020 for maintenance and

2302
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,360
replacements through 2030.

2303
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,120
Or four, the village is responsible for

2304
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,719
maintenance and replacement for those

2305
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:10,560
original sewer connections done before

2306
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,440
2020. This was in the sanitary district

2307
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:16,080
code.

2308
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,520
>> I'm not sure if I understood all of

2309
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,639
that. Did everybody else or just me?

2310
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,320
>> No, I I think we went through it pretty

2311
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,639
quickly. I'm not I I

2312
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:26,480
>> We had talked about a sunset date.

2313
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:28,560
>> So the the sunset date was 2030.

2314
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:28,960
>> Yeah.

2315
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,239
>> Well, I know you had talked about that

2316
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:32,400
and I said that's ridiculous myself.

2317
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,960
It's too far out. I I said it at the

2318
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:35,280
time

2319
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,480
>> that far now, but

2320
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:37,840
>> Well, I know it doesn't sound that far

2321
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:42,800
now, but but why? We have paid 37 years.

2322
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:43,520
Why?

2323
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,840
>> I I I

2324
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,920
one position or the other. I I

2325
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,679
>> you have a sunset thing that far out

2326
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:51,199
people will forget to clog their pumps

2327
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:55,040
up on purpose to get a new one.

2328
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,880
>> I think there's a I mean there is a

2329
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,199
sensitivity to the cost of these grinder

2330
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:00,800
pumps and the fact that somebody that

2331
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,960
never has had to maintain them before or

2332
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,560
somebody that owns their house outright

2333
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,800
that might

2334
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,760
think that $6,500 is a huge expense that

2335
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,040
they've never had to pay for.

2336
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,920
>> Exactly. Like a like a septic system to

2337
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,920
everybody else here. Right. like a well

2338
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,239
pump. We all know it costs money. That's the cost of owning a home. They

2339
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,320
know it when they're ahead of time.

2340
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,560
>> I mean, we one thing we also are

2341
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,560
forgetting historically is when we were

2342
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,800
a sanitary, all district members paid in

2343
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,719
a fee that

2344
01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:33,679
>> $48

2345
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:35,440
>> that some never even got back.

2346
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:38,880
>> Right. But $48. But that has stopped

2347
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,400
when we became a village.

2348
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,239
>> Well, bec it stopped when we became a

2349
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:43,760
utility. Oh, well,

2350
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,320
>> there was a tax there's a $48 storm

2351
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,719
water fee on a tax bill.

2352
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:50,159
>> But there's there was there was a tax

2353
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:51,920
levy though that that has gone away.

2354
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:52,239
>> Yes.

2355
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:52,880
>> Sewer levy.

2356
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,159
>> Sewer.

2357
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:56,480
>> Sorry. A sewer levy. There was a tax on

2358
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:57,440
that.

2359
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:58,960
>> It's illegal. We can't do it because

2360
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,520
we're a village.

2361
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,520
>> I I don't you know I I'm not an

2362
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,920
attorney. I have no idea.

2363
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,560
>> But that kind of surprised me.

2364
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,560
>> Because it's our utility now. We make

2365
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,960
our we make our revenue based on our

2366
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:13,840
needs. All

2367
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,120
>> right. So, where do we where do we want

2368
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,520
to go? I mean, what what's I mean, we

2369
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,639
Linda's made her position clear. Is

2370
01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:22,960
everyone we haven't I mean, we're not

2371
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,320
taking formal action, but we can kind of

2372
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,239
reach a consensus and take formal action

2373
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:28,639
later. So, are we are we there or do we

2374
01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:30,239
want to do something more in line with

2375
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:34,239
what was written up before or

2376
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:36,560
nothing? I mean, that's I don't know who

2377
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:37,360
wants to start.

2378
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,600
>> I think we should do something. I don't

2379
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:40,719
think we should kick the can down the

2380
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:42,000
road anymore. Whatever it is, something

2381
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:42,960
should got to get done.

2382
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:43,920
>> What do you think that something should

2383
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,520
be?

2384
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,880
>> I was in the bathroom as most of the

2385
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,639
discussion.

2386
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:52,390
I mean, I

2387
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,520
I'm not exactly sure. I mean, I I think

2388
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,800
the date, the 2020 date makes sense

2389
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,199
because again, I don't know how you

2390
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:02,639
spring it on people and just like all of

2391
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:04,239
a sudden cut them off from it. I think

2392
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:09,270
you'd have a lot of really angry people

2393
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,880
So, I guess that's where I would I would

2394
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:11,600
fall on it.

2395
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,760
>> But are we cutting off the 2020 date too

2396
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,199
for them? Is that We're still cutting

2397
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:16,719
off a date.

2398
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:18,239
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, then maybe change

2399
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:20,080
the date. I don't make it so yet there's

2400
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,840
very few left in there. I don't know.

2401
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:22,320
>> I don't know.

2402
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,239
>> Well, it sounds like the code has to be

2403
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:28,159
amended no matter what. Either to

2404
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:31,760
>> fix the issue of the in perpetuity. So

2405
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,840
why don't we, you know, staff can

2406
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,440
present some options based on the

2407
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,440
discussions that we've had here and then

2408
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:39,040
kind of present that to the board. Well,

2409
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,199
I think we can kind of reach a Rob,

2410
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:42,159
where are you at?

2411
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:44,320
>> Is there a way that you can just do the

2412
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,159
if nobody ever if they never got

2413
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:48,320
replaced, they get one was talking about

2414
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,840
>> No, Mark said that we can't because we

2415
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,120
don't have good records. We don't know

2416
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,320
that. That's what the attorney said.

2417
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,840
That's so it's got to be there's got to

2418
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,360
be a date. So you you did have that's my

2419
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,600
that's what I heard

2420
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,159
some people if they needed the original

2421
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:04,480
some of them not not

2422
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:05,920
do that we don't have

2423
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,760
>> all installed they sent all them that

2424
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:08,239
was it

2425
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:10,159
>> so you see but you so you did have in

2426
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:11,120
your head that

2427
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,600
>> we would do it for some people if they

2428
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,760
the original people the only ones are

2429
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,280
the ones I haven't updated yet from this

2430
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:17,600
year

2431
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,280
>> I'm thinking that way would be fair and

2432
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,400
easiest to

2433
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,600
>> all right we shouldn't be talking over

2434
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,120
each other but is that is that news to

2435
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,960
you Mark that we do have dates on all

2436
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:25,920
32?

2437
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,320
>> No, we we have dates of install, but we

2438
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,920
don't know if they're original dates of

2439
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,159
install. Like I think what Linda is

2440
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:34,480
saying is if they've never had one,

2441
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:35,760
correct me if I'm wrong, if they've

2442
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,120
never had one and the original owner,

2443
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:37,840
they get one.

2444
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:38,560
>> Yeah.

2445
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,239
>> But if we have dates of install for all

2446
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:41,840
32 and and then and then some of those

2447
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:42,400
dates were

2448
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:43,520
>> But now, but yeah, the

2449
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:44,159
>> original,

2450
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:47,120
>> but we don't have property record. We'd

2451
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,400
have to go through every property record

2452
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:49,440
and determine if they are.

2453
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:50,719
>> We don't have records like that. Only

2454
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:52,639
thing we have is the the chart I gave

2455
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:53,199
Dan.

2456
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:55,280
>> You're talking about original

2457
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,639
to the home.

2458
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,320
>> That's what she's that that was what

2459
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,040
>> I mean they're all all the dates are

2460
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,880
2012 or later.

2461
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,719
>> The grinder pumps don't last that long.

2462
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:05,280
So they

2463
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,600
>> So there's no So they've all been So

2464
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,280
that's that point's irrelevant then.

2465
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:09,760
>> Yeah.

2466
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,280
>> So then every single one of them have

2467
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,320
been replaced at least once.

2468
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,360
>> You were making it sound like Linda that

2469
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,120
there's been there's some 37y old pumps

2470
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:15,920
here.

2471
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,520
>> Well, that's what we had talked about

2472
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,360
originally. There was only a couple

2473
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,520
original that has never been done.

2474
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,040
That's what I was told.

2475
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,280
>> We The originality was the homeowner,

2476
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,719
not the pump.

2477
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:27,040
>> Oh,

2478
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,480
>> which is a difference. The They could

2479
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:29,920
have had six or seven pumps, but as long

2480
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,600
as they were original owners,

2481
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:32,320
>> they were

2482
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,159
>> unless we have a brand like brand new

2483
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:36,320
homes that were built 2012 or later, the

2484
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:37,920
sewer district in that area, but I don't

2485
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:38,960
think there are any new.

2486
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,159
>> I don't think there are any.

2487
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:41,440
>> They have to worry about that part.

2488
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:41,679
Yeah.

2489
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:43,040
>> All right. So, I'm I'm fine with either

2490
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,120
one of these options. I mean, where Mark, where are you? you are as

2491
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,639
well or do you have a preference between

2492
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:50,080
Linda's or

2493
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:51,920
>> now that everybody's has been replaced

2494
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,840
six to 12 times I'd say we just cut it

2495
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,350
off

2496
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,239
» just vote as if you were you were only

2497
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:04,000
thing I ask is vote what's if you were

2498
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,960
in the and paying these fees and you

2499
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,360
were paying for it so look at it that

2500
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,440
instead of just on paper oh I don't know

2501
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,920
I'll just vote this way look at it as if

2502
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,600
you were paying those fees and how

2503
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,000
unfair it cut her off right now.

2504
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,719
>> That's all I ask. That's all I ask.

2505
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:25,120
>> But Linda, I I have also heard about the designing of the system and that the

2506
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,239
system was designed

2507
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:29,199
>> awful was designed awfully, but it was

2508
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:31,120
designed cheaper. It could have been

2509
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,120
designed more expensive for everybody

2510
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,480
and there wouldn't have been grinder

2511
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:35,120
pumps.

2512
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,159
>> Yeah. So, but because some of these

2513
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:40,400
houses because it was designed cheaper,

2514
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,159
these houses had the grinder pumps that

2515
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,880
saved everyone money originally and and

2516
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,800
now there are grinder pumps and some

2517
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,480
that that are fall on the burden of

2518
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:52,480
these uh 32 properties whereas the

2519
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:57,760
remaining 420 benefit from the from the

2520
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,600
cheaper system original construction

2521
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,560
costs. I've heard that as well. So

2522
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,960
>> that's and maybe we'll hear that again

2523
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,000
when we when we

2524
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,840
>> Well, they didn't go as deep as maybe

2525
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:09,199
they should have,

2526
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:10,080
>> right? Because if we would have gone

2527
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:11,040
deeper, then we wouldn't have needed

2528
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,239
these grinder pumps, right?

2529
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:12,560
>> Yeah.

2530
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:13,360
>> So that's

2531
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:13,920
>> Yeah.

2532
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:14,400
>> I mean,

2533
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,679
>> if they've been paying the sewer fees

2534
01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:17,280
all these years, hasn't that cost equal

2535
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:18,480
itself out by now?

2536
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:21,360
>> Yeah.

2537
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,280
>> The cost, but the co I mean, everyone

2538
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,920
saved on this system because it was more

2539
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,239
cheaply designed. I think if you were

2540
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:30,000
going to fix the problem, you would re

2541
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,400
redo the whole entire system

2542
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,920
>> and then Well, I'm serious. And so

2543
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:36,560
that's

2544
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:37,199
>> I'm moving.

2545
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:38,159
>> There's option three.

2546
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:40,800
>> I'm moving.

2547
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,080
>> Seriously, I'm moving.

2548
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:43,760
>> Mark, where are you at?

2549
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:48,560
>> Um I there is going to be a handful of

2550
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,320
people, as Linda stated, that are going

2551
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,440
to bring in this 1992

2552
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:56,719
um agreement. And it does read, "The

2553
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:58,159
sanitary district shall assume

2554
01:35:58,159 --> 01:35:59,440
responsibility for maintenance of the

2555
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:00,880
grinder pumps provided the sanitary

2556
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,960
sewer lateral and grinder pump has been

2557
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,159
installed in accordance with the

2558
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:05,199
maintenance policy."

2559
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:06,960
>> Isn't that null and void since we don't

2560
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,360
have a sanitary district anymore?

2561
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,360
>> Well, we assume their policy,

2562
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:12,719
>> right? Thank you, Rob.

2563
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:13,679
>> I don't know. That's

2564
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:14,239
>> we have

2565
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:16,239
>> I don't know. I I don't know

2566
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:19,600
>> district anymore. Never thought of that.

2567
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,280
>> I don't know if that's how that works or

2568
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:21,840
not. Just

2569
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,280
>> But that doesn't mean that it can't

2570
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,679
change. How many times Does a

2571
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:27,679
municipality change things because it

2572
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:29,120
doesn't, you know, it's just too

2573
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,239
expensive. It doesn't work.

2574
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,400
>> I mean, I would I would definitely

2575
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,159
>> Did they sign a contract, Mark?

2576
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,320
>> I Yeah, good luck. This was all we could

2577
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,040
find back then. They they brought in a

2578
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,280
um document that was unverified,

2579
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:41,760
>> right?

2580
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,600
>> We don't know based off records if it

2581
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,040
was ever approved. And

2582
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:45,760
>> Yep.

2583
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,880
>> So, we're gambling then. No, I don't

2584
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,080
think I guess if you make a date certain

2585
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,040
in the future and you don't put any

2586
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,280
situations attached to it like whether

2587
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,719
it was an original homeowner, if they've

2588
01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:00,400
had it replaced, if it's been prior to

2589
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,199
or after 2020, I think you can get by

2590
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:05,280
with it and then you just have to put in

2591
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,719
there a negligence clause

2592
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:07,920
>> in the future though. You're saying not

2593
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,199
in the future. Not you don't like this

2594
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,199
July 1st, 2020 date. Do you want it to

2595
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:13,679
be in the future? I would say keep the

2596
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:18,159
July 1st, 2020 date and also sunset it.

2597
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:18,960
>> Okay.

2598
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,679
>> But do it for like next week. Don't put

2599
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:24,320
it way out. Do it soon.

2600
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,000
>> Well, that's okay. Oh, I mean

2601
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:29,360
>> No, I mean I I I think you have there

2602
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:30,880
are people that do remember this

2603
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,480
agreement. There's people that bought

2604
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:35,199
their homes under this premise.

2605
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:37,600
>> There is you're there's gonna be a lot

2606
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,040
of people in here talking about this.

2607
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,000
And

2608
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,159
>> I I I do think it's responsible to at

2609
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:45,199
least I mean they were given notice.

2610
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:47,280
>> Um but if if we're going to completely

2611
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,360
cut it off, I think we we give them a

2612
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:50,000
date.

2613
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,760
>> So let's do let's let's do that. Let's I

2614
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,520
mean I I I would be based on what I'm

2615
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,600
hearing everyone else and a compromise

2616
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,000
to me makes sense is sticking with the

2617
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,560
July 1st, 2020 date. So that's 20 to

2618
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,800
22ish that we'd still be on the hook

2619
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,960
for. But if they don't get them replaced

2620
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,360
by the 2030 date that was in the

2621
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,520
previous proposal, then we're not paying

2622
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,360
them for them after that. So if they if

2623
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,840
they make it that long, then we're

2624
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,760
>> it can't be just a major

2625
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,080
>> saying 2030 in four years.

2626
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:18,960
>> 2030,

2627
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,360
>> which is what the proposal was from the board or the attorney when you

2628
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,719
looked at this a couple years ago.

2629
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:27,199
>> We could potentially be replacing them

2630
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,360
one a year until for four years

2631
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:30,800
>> is what we're saying. Or you can be

2632
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,960
placing, you know, six, you know, five

2633
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,960
or six a year for the next four years.

2634
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,480
>> Or you make it or you make it a shorter

2635
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:40,560
date. I mean, that's up to the board.

2636
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:41,199
>> I mean, you're

2637
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:42,960
>> That was Dan's idea.

2638
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,320
>> Well, no, but it came from It came from

2639
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,000
the attorney or something else.

2640
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,880
>> It came from It came from the attorney

2641
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,360
or Kathy or the senary district.

2642
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,280
>> It's been brought up before. It's not

2643
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,280
something that came pulled out of thin

2644
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,960
air.

2645
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:57,760
30 is way out

2646
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,320
>> back in 2018 and 2019 about this and we

2647
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,239
talked about a subset law. So

2648
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:06,159
>> and then can can we put a stipulation in

2649
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,880
like one in that if we do 2030 you're

2650
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,159
entitled to one

2651
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,000
>> I think because the install date would

2652
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,040
be after the cutoff.

2653
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,719
>> It's not how it's written but you should

2654
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:16,480
clean it up so it is written.

2655
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:17,679
>> Well I would I would

2656
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:19,119
>> Okay. So I think you've got you've got a

2657
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:20,480
consensus for you understand where we're

2658
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:22,159
at and where the majority of the board's

2659
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:24,000
at. kind of a compromise that gets that

2660
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,760
gets almost all the way that you're

2661
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,679
there. It's not gonna it's going to make

2662
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:32,480
people here um be have a little of a

2663
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:34,320
compromise. You're still welcome to make

2664
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,040
the um motion at the next meeting,

2665
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,159
Linda, to to

2666
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:41,760
>> Oh, I see. I got very far with that one.

2667
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,440
I'm not going to get very far with that

2668
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:46,159
one. I think part of the problem is, as

2669
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:49,040
Mark's pointing out, if we try to cut it

2670
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,199
directly off, we're opening ourselves up

2671
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:52,239
to litigation.

2672
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:55,440
>> I I I just ask, if we don't extend it

2673
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:56,719
out to 2030,

2674
01:39:56,719 --> 01:40:02,149
>> what what what date makes sense to you?

2675
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:03,679
» 28

2676
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:04,560
compromise

2677
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,239
>> the end of or beginning of January 1st

2678
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:07,840
or January 31st?

2679
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:08,639
>> 28.

2680
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:10,880
>> So we got So next year is our last year.

2681
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:11,679
>> That's it.

2682
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:14,000
>> So write write the proposal up. how we

2683
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,600
said with with those previous dates

2684
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,920
right January 1st to 28 if the board

2685
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:23,199
wants to amend it to a different date to 29 30 whatever at the next meeting we

2686
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:24,639
can certainly do that but it's something

2687
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:26,719
on paper for us to to discuss

2688
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:29,600
>> so if just a point of clarification if

2689
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,320
they've had one replaced post July 1st

2690
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:33,520
2020

2691
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,159
>> if they had it post

2692
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:36,960
are they done done

2693
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:38,080
>> they're done done

2694
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,719
>> they're done

2695
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:43,270
do

2696
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,000
Natasha, does she know all of this

2697
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,199
>> or do you know all

2698
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:47,920
>> what

2699
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,760
>> the date? Have we replaced

2700
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:50,880
>> had all the dates?

2701
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,760
>> Have we replaced any of those?

2702
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:54,639
>> Okay,

2703
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:57,520
>> we replaced about you know 11 people.

2704
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,520
>> 12 to 13.

2705
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,040
>> We're going to be on the hook for 20 to

2706
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,800
22 of them. Possibly 132,000 to 150,000

2707
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,560
depending how much they are and how far

2708
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:07,040
we go.

2709
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,520
>> And we'll be paying $350 on on a

2710
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,199
threemonth fee. now

2711
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:15,360
>> for for our user fees to pay all these

2712
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,600
costs with everything else that we have

2713
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,400
to pay. No, I'm just saying our our we

2714
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,239
you know our we're going to be paying

2715
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:24,639
more money. That's all on on for our

2716
01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:27,040
monthly our three-month fee that we pay

2717
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,440
for for our user fees. We pay user fees

2718
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,040
every three months.

2719
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,440
>> Why makes that go up?

2720
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:35,600
>> That goes up every time our cost go up.

2721
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,440
It's $180 now.

2722
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:38,960
>> That That's the sewer fee.

2723
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:40,880
>> That's the sewer fee. We pay every three

2724
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:41,280
months.

2725
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,400
>> That's not for grinder pumps. That's not entirely for grinders.

2726
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,199
>> Everybody Everybody pays $180 for their

2727
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:48,639
sewer every three months.

2728
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:49,440
>> And you're saying that's the money

2729
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,119
that's used to pay for the grinder pump.

2730
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:53,360
>> That No, that's Well, that's everybody's

2731
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,440
money. It's everybody's money that we

2732
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,520
have got the million and two actually

2733
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,040
that and we'll go over that the next

2734
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:00,320
one. If you want to go if it's getting

2735
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,480
too late, we'll wait till next meeting.

2736
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,040
But I'm just saying that whatever money

2737
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,679
we have on hand in the sewer fund pays

2738
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:10,960
for the grinder pumps. the $180 is the

2739
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,960
fee that we have to pay into Sussex and

2740
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:15,920
so forth and pay for our regular

2741
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:17,600
expenses we have to pay.

2742
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:18,239
>> Okay.

2743
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:20,159
>> And once they they go up, we had to

2744
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:21,840
raise it this last year and it's going

2745
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,600
to be raised again this year. There's no

2746
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,840
doubt about it. It will be raised.

2747
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,679
>> So, well, with what we're doing right

2748
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:28,880
now, does that have any effect on the

2749
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:29,360
fees?

2750
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:30,960
>> Well, you better believe it. What?

2751
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,719
>> Well, no, but but if if we did nothing,

2752
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:34,480
the fees would be higher, right? Right?

2753
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:35,760
If we did nothing, the fees would be

2754
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,000
higher because we But if we take this

2755
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,600
action at the next meeting, we are

2756
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,520
reducing future costs.

2757
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:42,800
>> So we're so we're going to have less

2758
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:43,600
you're going to have less

2759
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,520
>> in the future if if you do it and say,

2760
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:46,800
"Hey, we're not going to pay for these

2761
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,159
grinder pumps anymore." Yes.

2762
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:49,920
>> Right. So So this is this is if we take

2763
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,480
this action, it is a net positive to

2764
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:53,360
Yes. It's a net positive.

2765
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,440
>> And we're only we're only replacing them

2766
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:57,360
if they're legitimately broken. We're

2767
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:58,719
not replacing them.

2768
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:00,800
>> Well, it's if a kid stuffs a bunch of

2769
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,480
toys down there, a homeowner says they

2770
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:07,920
want a new one. So there is a there is a variable that reduces the cost to that

2771
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,480
in the sense that we're not we we used

2772
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:11,920
to just direct replace everything. We

2773
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,480
we've undertaken a policy where when we

2774
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:16,639
pull the unit we may install a

2775
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:18,400
refurbished unit

2776
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,560
>> which so we're not entirely replacing

2777
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,480
the $6,000 pump anymore. We might be

2778
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,080
replacing it with a pump on hand.

2779
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:24,960
>> Yeah, that's fine.

2780
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:26,880
>> Does the code have to stipulate that? So

2781
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,320
the homeowner would be like it's not a

2782
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,320
new one. I'm just saying

2783
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:31,920
>> it doesn't say it doesn't say

2784
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:32,800
>> choice.

2785
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,119
>> It just says replace. Okay.

2786
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:36,719
>> But we're not necessarily going to be on

2787
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:39,199
the hook for all 22 of these by 28

2788
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,199
because they have to be actually broken.

2789
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:44,000
>> You guys said however many are prepared

2790
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,719
replaced.

2791
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:46,239
>> But they actually have to legitimately

2792
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:47,040
break.

2793
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,400
>> 22 legitimately. If

2794
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,080
>> 12 of them have broke in the last six

2795
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,520
years, you would think that we're not

2796
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,000
going to have 22 break in the next

2797
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,920
>> Our estimate is we replace two to three

2798
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,239
every year. Yeah.

2799
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:01,600
>> And we have two available to replace.

2800
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,040
>> So if we set this

2801
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,800
>> ability to determine whether or not it's

2802
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,440
negligence based on the now that we get

2803
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:07,920
them repaired.

2804
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,520
>> If we got a Lego set in there that's

2805
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,960
going to be negligence.

2806
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,199
>> That is done much better now than it was

2807
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,360
done in the beginning. Let me tell you

2808
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,040
much better. We paid for things that

2809
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,520
shouldn't have been just take the pumps

2810
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:20,800
and scrap them down.

2811
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,639
>> Deb used to just take them out and put a

2812
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:24,639
new one in.

2813
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:26,480
Are we ready to move on to sew to item

2814
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:27,040
E?

2815
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,560
>> So I feel better about that here.

2816
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,440
>> Clarify staff will present options for

2817
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:36,400
adoption on this Dan.

2818
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,560
>> Yeah, I will draft the code and run it

2819
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,719
to the attorney. Do you want options or

2820
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:42,000
do you want the option of what we

2821
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,440
discussed with a 20 January 1st 20

2822
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:49,840
sunset and um making sure the January

2823
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:54,719
for the the June 2020 date is not in

2824
01:44:54,719 --> 01:44:57,760
>> July July I think by July 1st of Yes.

2825
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:58,000
Right.

2826
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,920
>> Yeah. That would be the cut off and then

2827
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:02,000
negligence isn't covered.

2828
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,440
>> Is there any So that I think that's what

2829
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:04,960
we want. But is there is there anything

2830
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,639
else you want the attorney or Dan to

2831
01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:08,639
research as an alternative to possibly

2832
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:09,360
discuss?

2833
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,840
>> Can you present uh attorney Larson with

2834
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,400
attorney Macy's findings from

2835
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,040
>> Yeah. Can you forward me that

2836
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:25,189
I mean the given?

2837
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:26,960
» This is truly how the sausage gets fed.

2838
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:31,189
Huh?

2839
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:33,360
» So to speak. I'm sorry to keep you so

2840
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:34,639
long. I'm sorry.

2841
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:35,440
>> I think it's

2842
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,199
>> I've been stressing over this for so

2843
01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:37,760
long.

2844
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:39,360
>> Well, we're going to do something about

2845
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:39,679
it

2846
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:42,480
>> and Mark knows it.

2847
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,960
>> All right. So, yeah,

2848
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,840
>> so item E is discussion uh regarding the

2849
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,920
village responsibility for various sewer

2850
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:50,719
utility costs.

2851
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:52,080
>> I think we should wait for Rob to come

2852
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:53,520
back. You want me to wait for Rob or I

2853
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,080
can start talking? Um,

2854
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:59,040
>> I it has just been discovered by me that

2855
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:05,119
I had no idea that the the um sewer fund

2856
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:07,600
is paying for the fire station costs for

2857
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,280
their sewer repairs everything and that

2858
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:15,280
is totally unfair why the sewer fund is

2859
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,920
paying for the fire station. Those

2860
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:19,920
should come out of either the villages

2861
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:24,239
money or the fire station fund, not the

2862
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:27,199
you know and I request this has been

2863
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:28,880
going this has been going on as far as

2864
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:32,400
we know since we became a village

2865
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,880
and whoever did that is we have no idea

2866
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,400
who it is that said hey the sewer

2867
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:37,920
district is going to be paying for the

2868
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,159
fire station. You know,

2869
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:45,199
>> it was 65 35, but the 35 was the the

2870
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,760
town and now it's the San District.

2871
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,760
>> Yeah, it's or not district, but that's

2872
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:50,239
the the

2873
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:52,000
>> it's a sewer fund. Say the sewer fund.

2874
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,920
So, we know the sewer fund is paying

2875
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,119
that and that's really not appropriate.

2876
01:46:57,119 --> 01:46:59,119
I think we should be reimbursed for

2877
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:01,520
every cost we paid to reimburse the

2878
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:03,360
sewer fund. It's not fair. We have paid

2879
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:07,440
that. So, I looked into this and I think

2880
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:09,920
it started because the 2025 budget had

2881
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:13,199
no sewer costs associated with the fire

2882
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:16,239
station, probably because it was made

2883
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:18,560
for the contract. Um, so I think it

2884
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,800
started back in October of 2020.

2885
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,520
Um, so I did just some research on how

2886
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,199
much money is paid this year because

2887
01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:29,119
it's really hard to recover costs from

2888
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:30,800
last year given that the books have been

2889
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,119
closed and the audit's been completed.

2890
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:37,679
Um, so the cost of the Richmond split

2891
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:40,719
with the 35 uh65

2892
01:47:40,719 --> 01:47:44,709
uh has been 1,339.35.

2893
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:46,880
And then the Richmond

2894
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,119
fire station flows, which is a monthly

2895
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:51,280
charge uh in our commercial bill. I

2896
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:53,280
looked back at every one from January to

2897
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,000
this month and it's $33.70.

2898
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,960
So, a total you're looking at paying out

2899
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:03,990
of the villages share would be $1,6435.

2900
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,480
I've already put in a budget item for

2901
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:10,159
next year. Um, if we want to continue if

2902
01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:11,840
we want to have the village pay for the

2903
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,480
fire station costs associated with their

2904
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:17,520
usage and with their share of the force

2905
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,199
man uh at a $3,000

2906
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:24,000
budget line item. How about for the new

2907
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,760
pumps that we just had taken out and put

2908
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,000
it out? That's more than $1,000. So, I'm

2909
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,199
a little confused, Dan.

2910
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,199
>> Because I did the because every I went

2911
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:32,880
through the budget code of what we take

2912
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,320
those pumps out of and it's because of

2913
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,000
the 3565.

2914
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:36,960
>> I know that. Yeah,

2915
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,520
>> that's what I got when I add it up in

2916
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,080
our accounting software. So, there that

2917
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,080
might be a little higher. Maybe one of

2918
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:45,119
those uh

2919
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:46,639
>> there's been a lot of pumps taken out

2920
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:49,280
over the last couple years and that they

2921
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:50,480
had to take them out. They had to take

2922
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:51,920
them out and take them up north, you

2923
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:52,560
know, to the

2924
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:53,600
>> Those are grinder pumps.

2925
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,280
>> Yeah. Yeah. But they had to take

2926
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:56,080
something out.

2927
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,159
>> It was Grab Amazon. We did We did one

2928
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,080
this year and I That wasn't Yes.

2929
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,320
included cost. We didn't have to pay for

2930
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:03,440
the full pump. We had to

2931
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:06,480
>> pay. I I I if I was a vetting woman, I

2932
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:08,080
would say that was more than that. I'll

2933
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,159
double check the costs and and check,

2934
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:11,679
but remember that

2935
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:14,320
>> you know divide 30 that number by 35%

2936
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:15,679
you're looking at somewhere around five

2937
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:17,440
grand or total costs

2938
01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:18,800
>> related to

2939
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,880
>> I just don't think the sewer sewer fund

2940
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,719
should pay for it at all. There's no

2941
01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:25,840
reason for for it to be paid for. Was a

2942
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:30,960
formal policy made by the board in 2024

2943
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:32,960
to to make this change or did it was it

2944
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,119
a staff? I think it was I think it was

2945
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:37,040
probably a bookkeep

2946
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,560
that happened

2947
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,880
>> and I didn't know this until I talked to

2948
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:42,880
I'm you know until I questioned

2949
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,239
something and that's when he said well

2950
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:45,679
you know that you know the sewer fund

2951
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:48,400
paid I said what the sewer fund pays for

2952
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:49,760
this

2953
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,760
>> so where we're where if we wanted to

2954
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,560
address this one way or the other we

2955
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,239
could have it at the next meeting agenda

2956
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:00,239
or does it need to be I mean or

2957
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:02,320
>> I can just come up with like a budget

2958
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,239
amendment

2959
01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:06,719
And then if we had a simple policy that

2960
01:50:06,719 --> 01:50:08,880
would say that all fire station expenses

2961
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,600
regarding force main and flows would be

2962
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,480
paid out of the fire department

2963
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:17,679
>> or so in the fact that we approved this

2964
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:18,960
board and the previous boards have

2965
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,800
approved the fire department budget that

2966
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,840
didn't include the sewer costs I guess

2967
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,960
indirectly or directly that that it was

2968
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,600
considered but

2969
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:30,880
>> so so

2970
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,880
>> so we could just do a budget budget

2971
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,040
amendment and put in their costs this

2972
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:38,400
year at the next meeting. So, you do a

2973
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,080
budget amendment to add, you know,

2974
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:43,119
$3,000 the expenditure costs in the

2975
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:45,280
sewer fund for the fire department. And

2976
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,520
there is a budget item for it. It just

2977
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,480
wasn't budgeted for in 2025. And then

2978
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:52,560
when I did the budget 26, so it was

2979
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:56,000
nothing that I didn't think to add it.

2980
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,840
So,

2981
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,080
>> why can't we go back? Why can't we go

2982
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,239
back a year before? I just because

2983
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,920
everything's closed, but why can't we go

2984
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,480
back and look at the figures?

2985
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,800
>> I mean, the budget the audit is

2986
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,560
completed. So, I mean, you're going back

2987
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,960
and taking money from one area that's

2988
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:14,960
been been audited. I mean, the board can

2989
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,520
consider it if they want to. I I can

2990
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:18,639
hold those numbers.

2991
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:19,920
>> I mean, my preference would be just to

2992
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:22,320
deal with this in 2027

2993
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,199
moving forward. I mean, I think if we if

2994
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,360
we go back and do it for 26, that's one

2995
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:28,880
thing. I don't want to go back any I

2996
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:30,960
mean

2997
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:32,480
I'm sympathetic to what you're saying

2998
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:35,199
but I I I I don't think that that

2999
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:36,880
>> we're talking about $5,000.

3000
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:37,520
>> Yeah.

3001
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:40,719
>> Or we're talking about 35% of 5,000.

3002
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:41,040
>> No.

3003
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:41,599
>> Wow.

3004
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:45,520
>> So 35% is 5,000 $1,643.

3005
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:46,960
I don't know what the total of last

3006
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:48,800
year.

3007
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:49,119
>> Gosh.

3008
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:50,480
>> Are you talking about the the village

3009
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:51,920
paying the

3010
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:56,639
>> the village should be paying it? the the the um um

3011
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,080
>> are you talking about the village paying

3012
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:00,080
the sewer fund back for the

3013
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,119
>> Yes, we should.

3014
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:05,599
>> So, for 26. So, well, we'll we'll I

3015
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:06,960
think we're all Are we all in agreement

3016
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:08,480
that we will change the way we're

3017
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,639
budgeting in for 27 moving moving

3018
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:11,520
forward? Definitely.

3019
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:12,639
>> Okay. So, we're all on the same page

3020
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:14,159
there. When you develop the budget,

3021
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:15,280
you're going to you're going to have

3022
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,199
Okay, good. So, the question is, do we

3023
01:52:17,199 --> 01:52:23,199
want to make a change for 26? That's really the only question that or or 20, you know, and we want to go

3024
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:26,320
back for 25. I I'd say leave 25 alone.

3025
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,000
Okay. Do we want to what do we want to

3026
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,400
do for 26? Where where are you at, Mark,

3027
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:31,679
on that?

3028
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:33,520
>> I mean, we we the books are open, so why

3029
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,040
not just correct it?

3030
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:39,270
>> We can just correct it.

3031
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:43,760
You don't need to do a budget

3032
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:46,800
how clean the books otherwise

3033
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,599
>> because if if we did three $3,000

3034
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:51,360
allocation for expenses in the fire

3035
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,119
department then we're also would have to

3036
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,320
take a $3,000 additional transfer from

3037
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:57,040
the

3038
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,119
>> general fund.

3039
01:52:59,119 --> 01:52:59,520
>> Right.

3040
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:00,880
>> Yeah. I mean we don't have to. I'm just

3041
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,239
saying if you want it really clean you

3042
01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:03,679
can do it that way. Otherwise there's

3043
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:05,599
zero money budget for it. So, just know

3044
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:06,880
that you're going to be over budgeted by

3045
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,560
three grand in sewers.

3046
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:10,000
>> How are the auditors going to want to

3047
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:10,560
see it?

3048
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:14,080
>> They'll be fine anywhere.

3049
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,599
>> What's easier for staff?

3050
01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:18,639
>> Just let me make the change.

3051
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:20,239
I'll just update you that it's been done

3052
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:22,080
the night before meeting. I I I don't

3053
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,639
want to go through the hassle of or just

3054
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:26,400
it just doesn't seem as clean to do the

3055
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,560
budget amendment. So I think if if if we

3056
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,800
have this discussion here and we have a

3057
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,520
consensus that that that's what we're

3058
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,560
going to do is is have the village pay

3059
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,239
for it in 26.

3060
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:39,679
>> I don't think

3061
01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:40,880
>> this year. This year.

3062
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:41,199
>> Okay.

3063
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:42,880
>> That we don't think we need any formal

3064
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,719
action since formal action wasn't taken

3065
01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:45,199
otherwise.

3066
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:47,199
>> Yeah. I mean I can I'll just send an you

3067
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:48,800
know a general email to the board and

3068
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,960
blind copy everyone. If I do I'll go

3069
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,480
back and look at the budget code to make

3070
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:54,400
sure that number is right. If it's

3071
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,000
incorrect for whatever reason and it's

3072
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:57,360
higher than that, I'll just let you the

3073
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:57,920
board know. But

3074
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,520
>> because there's been a lot of costs, you

3075
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,360
know, in my mind, maybe I'm wrong.

3076
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:02,960
>> Some of those are directly build at

3077
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,480
Richmond too at not 35. I know.

3078
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:08,800
>> I have a feeling that if we build every

3079
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,840
cost to the sewer fund, it would be way

3080
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,800
more than what we do.

3081
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,719
>> If we had to if we actually accounted

3082
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:18,880
for every single minute of staff time

3083
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:20,080
devoted Oh, yeah. to

3084
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,040
>> Yeah, I know. So,

3085
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:24,400
>> I know. I I no I think what fun is

3086
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:26,159
>> you know the 26 is fine you don't go

3087
01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:30,560
back that's im you know

3088
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,599
>> long as we correct it now

3089
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:35,520
I appreciate it

3090
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,000
>> all right so you have this agendaized as

3091
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,560
various sewer utility costs are is that

3092
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,960
>> Nope that's not okay then the next

3093
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:44,719
paragraph I don't know if you all are

3094
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:46,800
aware the sewer district came over here

3095
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,440
with a200,000

3096
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,239
so far we paid off about $800 $100,000

3097
01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:54,880
for the upgrade for the Sussex plant.

3098
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,639
And this is the first time in 30 years

3099
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,639
we've ever had to do that. There's

3100
01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:02,480
another $24,000 that's due. Um this is

3101
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,400
actually going to bankrupt us, the sewer

3102
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:06,800
fund, because if we that money was set

3103
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,639
aside per the state, we have to keep so

3104
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:10,639
much money on hand for repairs. We have

3105
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:12,880
to do that. If we break up a road and

3106
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,960
have to go into the road, we're looking

3107
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:16,880
a couple hundred thousand dollar just by

3108
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:18,400
breaking up the road, having somebody

3109
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,239
there doing whatever they need to do and

3110
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:22,159
checking the problem. We're going to

3111
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:25,440
have to start borrowing money because we

3112
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:29,280
paid off this this this um this upgrade

3113
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:31,280
thing that's going to benefit everybody

3114
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,520
that's coming on because here we're

3115
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:34,960
talking about K. We're talking about

3116
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:37,520
this is going to benefit the the people.

3117
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,520
And I also talked to Dan about this and

3118
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:42,000
he said, "Well, we don't do it now, but

3119
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:43,760
we'll do it when it happens and then

3120
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,719
we'll reimburse the the the the fund."

3121
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:48,639
But at that time, why would you

3122
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:50,400
reimburse?

3123
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,320
I think it should be done. We should

3124
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:54,320
have help now what benefits the people

3125
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:56,560
online so we're not have to borrow money

3126
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,320
to do some repairs that's going to be

3127
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,480
necessary down the road being an older

3128
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,000
system. I'm shocked that we don't have

3129
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,560
issues because of how bad the system was

3130
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,719
installed originally

3131
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:08,480
and and I just think something needs to

3132
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,880
be done. I know when this started the

3133
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,520
town of Lisbon took over the loan. They

3134
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:16,639
took out the loan for everything to buy

3135
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:19,040
into the plant to buy and we had to pay

3136
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,040
him back. It took us everyone could go

3137
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:23,199
on a payment plan for 10 years and

3138
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:25,679
that's what we did. So every nobody had

3139
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:27,920
that kind of money to do it. And so I'm

3140
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:30,639
just asking why does a a sewer fund have

3141
01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:34,480
to pay it all? You know, why can't why

3142
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,880
can't the village step forward say,

3143
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,199
"Hey, okay, we we are going to be

3144
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,520
expanding our district and this is going

3145
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,159
to be a fun and and I just I want some

3146
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:47,119
fair play. Why do the 452 pe uh

3147
01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:49,360
homeowners have to be paying this

3148
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,470
$824,000

3149
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,000
alone?"

3150
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:54,880
>> You're asking me?

3151
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:58,880
>> Yeah. Um because it's a sewer cost,

3152
01:56:58,880 --> 01:56:59,199
>> okay?

3153
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:01,119
>> And it's not a cost of people that are

3154
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:04,000
not on sewer currently. And if you took

3155
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,760
the board took action on this before I

3156
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,599
was here and you had

3157
01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,679
>> you had Ellers come in and give you an

3158
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,280
option. You could borrow or you could

3159
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,040
take it from the reserves. Decided to

3160
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:14,320
take it from the reserves.

3161
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:15,040
>> Well, yeah, because

3162
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:16,719
>> you'd be paying back the money anyways

3163
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:18,400
after you borrowed for it

3164
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:20,719
>> over sewer rates over a long period of

3165
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:22,159
time, which is exactly what we're doing

3166
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:24,000
now. You're paying it back over a long

3167
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:25,920
period of time. from sewer rates. And as

3168
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,719
soon as Yes. you get sewer expand your

3169
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:30,400
sewer service area, get more sewer

3170
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,159
customers online,

3171
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:32,880
>> Mhm.

3172
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:34,560
>> they pay a connection fee. Part of that

3173
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,560
connection fee is to replenish the costs

3174
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,400
of future expenses for sewer, just as

3175
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,400
you did back when you bought into the

3176
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:43,280
sewer district.

3177
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,280
>> We were the only ones in it in the town

3178
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,080
here. And so it wasn't the whole area.

3179
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,239
It was we had to pay our fair share. Not

3180
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:52,400
a dollar came out of the citizens

3181
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:55,679
pockets. we paid for it over whatever

3182
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:57,440
and the town made sure that they took

3183
01:57:57,440 --> 01:58:00,159
out a loan for it. I'm just saying when

3184
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:02,480
I talked to you originally, Dan, you had

3185
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,880
said that we could get reimbursed as new

3186
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:09,760
people come online and now you're not saying that anymore.

3187
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,400
>> I just said that you would new users are

3188
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:15,679
going to pay fees to get online which is

3189
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:17,920
going to co help supplement cost for

3190
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,920
future use and

3191
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:20,320
>> right

3192
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,320
>> for the capacity that they're using.

3193
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:23,280
Okay. Is the

3194
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:24,800
>> which is essentially the same thing.

3195
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,280
>> Is is is the sewer fund ever going to be

3196
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:29,280
reimbursed

3197
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,800
ever from future users for that $825,000

3198
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:34,719
that we forced to pay?

3199
01:58:34,719 --> 01:58:36,960
>> It will be made up over fees and you're

3200
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:38,880
going to charge fees to new users as

3201
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,360
well as that. So when that happens in

3202
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:43,119
years down the road,

3203
01:58:43,119 --> 01:58:45,360
>> it's going to benefit new people, not

3204
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:47,119
the people online. That's what I have a

3205
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:49,440
problem with. And because you you bought

3206
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:52,400
in an facilities upgrade, you had money

3207
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:54,960
in reserves to pay for it. When we spend

3208
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,599
money in general, the general fund, we

3209
01:58:57,599 --> 01:58:59,599
buy a piece of equipment.

3210
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:02,480
>> We don't go, we don't then replenish

3211
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,199
that exactly for the same amount that we

3212
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:06,719
had. We want to make sure that we have

3213
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:08,560
enough money in there that's legally

3214
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:10,880
required. If we have more, great. We're

3215
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,520
not trying to recover $800,000

3216
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:14,400
from sewer.

3217
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,040
>> Exactly. I know that. So, so no, we're

3218
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:19,599
not going to make sure that we have we

3219
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:21,119
replace that whole entire amount. We're

3220
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:22,639
going to make sure that we have enough

3221
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:24,800
that's required and over time that that

3222
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:25,840
amount will build up.

3223
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:26,880
>> I understand that. But

3224
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,639
>> fees go up. Yeah. I mean, I understand

3225
01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:30,080
that and that's why our fees are going

3226
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:31,679
up. Everybody's taxes are going up.

3227
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:34,080
That's that's indisputable. But I'm just

3228
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,000
saying that when we have time comes that

3229
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:38,400
we have to borrow money to fix the

3230
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:40,080
repair,

3231
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:41,840
>> then we'll have to borrow it.

3232
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,400
>> We will have to borrow it. And I'm just

3233
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,159
saying,

3234
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:47,840
you know, that even I have even written

3235
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,560
on here the 825,000 if even if we're

3236
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,199
split somehow to help the district out

3237
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:55,599
instead of bankrupting them and to

3238
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,440
borrow money down the road. And that's

3239
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:58,560
just what I'm saying.

3240
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,040
>> Well, and we can certainly look at if if

3241
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:03,119
that situation comes up, we did the same

3242
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:04,400
thing with the TID. We borrowed money

3243
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,400
from ourselves to pay back for the TID.

3244
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:07,920
We could look at that as an option to

3245
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:09,920
save money for the utility of in case

3246
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,599
you know interest rates are incredibly

3247
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:13,840
high that you don't want to borrow the

3248
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,080
money through ellers or through

3249
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:17,280
>> state bank or something like that.

3250
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:18,560
That's completely up to the board how

3251
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:19,679
they want to fund that practice.

3252
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:21,599
>> So the new people in a year or two or

3253
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:23,360
three are going to benefit from all the

3254
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,040
upgrades that the current people are

3255
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,880
using.

3256
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:28,320
>> They're going to pay an impact fee.

3257
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:30,560
They're going to pay a $5,000 $10,000

3258
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:31,679
connection fee

3259
02:00:31,679 --> 02:00:34,320
>> that's going to uh you know reimburse

3260
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:35,920
for push. But that's what I heard said.

3261
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:36,159
Yeah.

3262
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:37,599
>> All the sewer users are coming out of

3263
02:00:37,599 --> 02:00:39,599
the same pot, right? Even new ones that

3264
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:40,560
are

3265
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:42,719
>> same. No. I mean, so there's

3266
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:44,239
>> there's like

3267
02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:46,239
>> it's not a new

3268
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:47,920
sharing the same utility.

3269
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:49,920
>> And I I will point out say there is a

3270
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,320
catastrophic failure in the old system

3271
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:53,599
under current day.

3272
02:00:53,599 --> 02:00:54,159
>> Yeah.

3273
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:56,320
>> That fund if it is depleted, who's going

3274
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,639
to be paying for it?

3275
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:01,440
>> We 452 homes.

3276
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:02,719
>> Everyone is going to pay for it.

3277
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:04,000
>> Oh, let me get this straight now. Say

3278
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:05,360
that again.

3279
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:07,199
>> If the if there is a catastrophic

3280
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:09,440
failure that exceeds the current fund

3281
02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:13,599
balance of the sewer fund, who has to

3282
02:01:13,599 --> 02:01:15,679
pay for that?

3283
02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:18,159
>> I thought, and maybe I'm wrong and and

3284
02:01:18,159 --> 02:01:20,880
thank you. Um I thought the sewer fund

3285
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:22,719
had to pay for that. The foreign 52

3286
02:01:22,719 --> 02:01:24,560
homes. So you're saying the whole

3287
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:26,719
village pays for it.

3288
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:27,920
>> Who is going to pay for it?

3289
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,000
>> That's what I'm saying. Well, the sewer

3290
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,199
fund take out the loan.

3291
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:32,800
>> If the sewer fund is depleted, who's

3292
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:33,599
going to pay for it?

3293
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:34,960
>> Exactly.

3294
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:36,480
>> So, there's only two options.

3295
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:36,880
>> Yeah.

3296
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:38,960
>> It's either user fees or everyone.

3297
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,440
>> Yeah.

3298
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:43,679
>> But

3299
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,480
>> if you take out a loan,

3300
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:48,400
it's going to be paid back by the users

3301
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:49,440
of the sewer.

3302
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:50,400
>> Yeah.

3303
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:51,360
>> Right.

3304
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,080
>> That's what it should be. So therefore,

3305
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:55,840
why should the users of the sewer not

3306
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,320
pay for the why should the users of the

3307
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:00,320
eight users of the sewer not pay for the

3308
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:02,560
800? Answer that question.

3309
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,080
>> Because

3310
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,560
it's for the benefit of the future users

3311
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:10,000
for the the village here on K over here.

3312
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,080
They're going to benefit from the new

3313
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:13,040
upgrades.

3314
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:15,199
>> But it's also to preserve the prior

3315
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:17,119
infrastructure that was put in place.

3316
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,360
>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I understand. And they

3317
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:20,000
have to we

3318
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,320
>> we have way more old users than we do

3319
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:23,360
future users.

3320
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:24,400
>> Yeah.

3321
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:24,960
>> And

3322
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:26,560
>> probably you're right

3323
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:27,679
>> because it's never going to happen

3324
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:29,679
again. What was happened to these people

3325
02:02:29,679 --> 02:02:32,159
over here? It's never going to happen.

3326
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:34,960
>> I mean I I can I can totally sympathize

3327
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,280
if there's some new injustice that's

3328
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,199
going on, but we don't we don't have any

3329
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:41,119
new users.

3330
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:42,800
>> I mean they're they're so minimal.

3331
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:44,960
>> Okay. I personally and that's why I I

3332
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,199
just think because the town stepped up

3333
02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:49,599
to help that the villagers stepped up to

3334
02:02:49,599 --> 02:02:52,639
help rather than depleting this fund so

3335
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:54,639
much. That's all.

3336
02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:57,040
>> But in one in one thing you're saying

3337
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,119
it's our money. Let's use it only for

3338
02:02:59,119 --> 02:02:59,840
us.

3339
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:01,599
>> But then you're also saying if we don't

3340
02:03:01,599 --> 02:03:03,760
have the money, everyone needs to help

3341
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:04,320
us.

3342
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,159
>> Well, you said that and I I you said the

3343
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:07,520
village is going to, you know, if we

3344
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:08,159
have a problem.

3345
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,159
>> He he did not say that. He was he was he

3346
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:10,880
was trying to get

3347
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:12,560
>> It was a hypothetical. Yeah, I

3348
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,000
understand that. But that's what I stood

3349
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,239
understood. So, and I understand and I

3350
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:17,840
don't want to go back and forth on this.

3351
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:18,560
It's just

3352
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:20,159
>> But we have to we have to we have to put

3353
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:20,960
this to bed.

3354
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:21,599
>> Okay.

3355
02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:24,880
>> There is no more sanitary district.

3356
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,119
There is no more us of the or it is the

3357
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:27,920
we of the future.

3358
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:28,880
>> I know that.

3359
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,800
>> But you keep going back to it though.

3360
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:32,800
>> It's the sewer fund.

3361
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,320
>> It's a sewer fund.

3362
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:37,119
>> And one day that's gonna be gone.

3363
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:39,679
It will be gone because the the million2

3364
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:42,560
that that the sewer district borrow over

3365
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,599
to the sewer fund is being depleted. The

3366
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:48,719
million two that Rick and I have

3367
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:50,800
hundreds of dollars in this thing. Other

3368
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:52,480
people have hundreds of dollars in this

3369
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:55,440
thing that we're depleting for the

3370
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:57,920
upgrade. And and that we're paying for

3371
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,320
that directly. We are paying for that.

3372
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:01,599
Nobody else is

3373
02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:03,440
>> because you're the only ones using it.

3374
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:05,599
But down the road, and I know that's

3375
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:07,440
your point of I know nobody wants to pay

3376
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,679
for for something they don't get. I

3377
02:04:09,679 --> 02:04:12,320
understand that. But K over here is

3378
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:14,719
going to be sewarded over here, you

3379
02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:15,040
know.

3380
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:16,639
>> Yeah. So then they would get lumped into

3381
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:19,360
this 452 and then it's going to be 500

3382
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:20,960
people or 600 or 1000.

3383
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:22,320
>> How are they going to pay? How are they

3384
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:25,679
going to help us replete our

3385
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:27,280
>> not as much about how much goes in

3386
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:29,599
there? But if your pipe fails, the guy

3387
02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:31,360
on K is going to be helping pay for your

3388
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,840
pipe up there. And vice versa, if his

3389
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:35,119
pipe fails, you're going to help pay for

3390
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:35,440
his.

3391
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:36,320
>> But Linda, it's no different.

3392
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:37,920
>> Everybody in the sewers all together,

3393
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:39,840
>> it's no different than the what we talk

3394
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:41,920
about with failed septic systems or

3395
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,000
failed wells or something like that. And

3396
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:45,920
from a personal standpoint, if I save up

3397
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:48,880
a bunch of money and I've got $50,000 in

3398
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:50,960
bank account and yes, I did it and then

3399
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:53,760
my well goes goes out, then there goes

3400
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,679
half of that. It's depleted. I don't ask

3401
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:57,679
how he was going to replace it. It's

3402
02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,440
going to be the user, which is me, to

3403
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:01,119
replace the money that I've saved.

3404
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:03,360
>> See, and then when this was set up years

3405
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:05,599
ago, there was a district one and a

3406
02:05:05,599 --> 02:05:07,040
district two. I don't know if you know

3407
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,520
that. Senator Distant number one is us

3408
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:13,199
on on sewer now. Sister District two

3409
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:16,000
that's really bad sewer systems, septic

3410
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:20,480
systems, is the one over off of um is it

3411
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:22,320
Richmond Road that they're coming in

3412
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:24,800
with new with new wells that the pore is

3413
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:26,960
paying for. We know that those subject

3414
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:28,960
systems are bad over there. We were told

3415
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:31,040
that they were they were sanitary

3416
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,679
district number two. And if each of the

3417
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:37,280
district had an issue, the issue we

3418
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,040
would pay for our own, they pay for

3419
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:41,440
their own. That's how it was presented.

3420
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:44,239
So that's why I guess I just kind of,

3421
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:45,679
you know, thinking, well, they're going

3422
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:48,159
to benefit from our upgrades that we're

3423
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:50,960
paying for and we are paying for it on

3424
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:53,199
our backs. We are paying for it. Why

3425
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:55,599
doesn't why can't we be reimbursed

3426
02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:56,960
somewhat for that?

3427
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:58,719
>> It make more sense. The more users you

3428
02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:00,880
have on a system type like this, you

3429
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:02,159
want

3430
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:03,760
>> I guess let's relate it to a school

3431
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,440
district. Okay? I don't I know we're not

3432
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:08,800
a school district, but a school district

3433
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:12,000
imposes a referendum today.

3434
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,520
>> Next year, 10 new families come into the

3435
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:18,159
school district.

3436
02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:20,560
How do they pay for how do they pay for

3437
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:21,679
their impact

3438
02:06:21,679 --> 02:06:23,679
>> on the system

3439
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:26,880
>> through impact fees and user fees?

3440
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:28,719
>> There's no impact fees in schools.

3441
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:30,960
>> No, no, no. I'm just saying if we're

3442
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:33,520
equating it to to to

3443
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:34,800
a sewer

3444
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:36,800
>> and saying they there's an impact fee in

3445
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:38,079
the sewer that

3446
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:41,119
>> So, can we have an impact fee then that

3447
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:42,480
will be attached? We make sure.

3448
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:43,760
>> Yeah. I mean, that's all part of the

3449
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:45,920
discussion with the sewer service is

3450
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:47,920
we're we're going to revitalize the

3451
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:50,000
code, which is why we kind of held it

3452
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,679
off because we have to add

3453
02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:53,280
>> I don't think any amount could be in

3454
02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:54,800
there though. There should be the amount

3455
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,119
at the time because it might be too low.

3456
02:06:57,119 --> 02:06:58,400
Are you going to put a dollar amount for

3457
02:06:58,400 --> 02:06:59,440
impact fee?

3458
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:00,960
>> There will be a dollar amount. It'll be

3459
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:04,239
based on, you know, future expended

3460
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:08,560
costs and, you know, whatever else that both kind of works with us on. But,

3461
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:09,840
I mean, there's an impact fee and a

3462
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:12,239
sewer connection fee now. I mean,

3463
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:14,159
>> so it'll be large. It'll be larger most

3464
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:14,639
likely,

3465
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:16,400
>> most likely when we move forward. So,

3466
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:17,440
>> yeah.

3467
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:20,239
>> And then that will be in a pot of money

3468
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:22,400
that will sit there and they might

3469
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,320
complain for the fact that they have to

3470
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:27,679
pay $25,000 and the original people only

3471
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:30,000
had to pay $15,000

3472
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,159
>> or whatever it is. And I and I

3473
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:34,639
understand you your your viewpoints and

3474
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:36,880
I know I'm an odd

3475
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:39,520
>> I I don't I I'm I guess here's my ask. I

3476
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,280
don't understand your viewpoint.

3477
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:41,599
>> Okay.

3478
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:45,920
>> What is the ask of the board today for this?

3479
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:47,840
>> I guess I'm for one thing. The important

3480
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:49,760
thing was that the fire station pay

3481
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,480
their their costs and then I wanted to

3482
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,199
talk about this $825,000

3483
02:07:55,199 --> 02:07:58,719
that so we'll be left with $375,000.

3484
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:01,440
one issue that money is gone. Now we

3485
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:02,079
have to take

3486
02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:03,599
>> what is what is the solution that you

3487
02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:04,960
want the board to

3488
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:08,639
>> village to come in to help since they took out a loan in the beginning.

3489
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:09,840
>> Help with what though?

3490
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,159
>> If if we have any issue that we're we're

3491
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:15,760
bankrupt because we paid off the 825,000

3492
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,599
and people on K over here is going to

3493
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:19,920
benefit from the 825,000 improvement

3494
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,760
because there's always continuous

3495
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:23,440
expenses that we have paid over the

3496
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:26,560
years. Yes. to Sussex, but nothing like

3497
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:29,040
this $825,000.

3498
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:31,040
So, this is a 30-year project that

3499
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:33,040
they're doing that they have to upgrade.

3500
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:35,119
>> But we don't So, we don't have any users

3501
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:36,560
on Highway K.

3502
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:37,280
>> We will.

3503
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:38,880
>> We We do not know that.

3504
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:39,440
>> I know.

3505
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:40,960
>> We have not approved that.

3506
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:41,360
>> Okay.

3507
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:42,880
>> And we do we do not know that.

3508
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:44,400
>> Okay. And you know, this is another

3509
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,400
thing. Who pays for a fund pays for

3510
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:48,960
that? So, we all pay for those fund

3511
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:51,360
costs over there, don't we?

3512
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:53,040
I mean we haven't really even got to

3513
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:53,599
that point.

3514
02:08:53,599 --> 02:08:57,599
>> You told me you told me that the whole village pays for it Dan

3515
02:08:57,599 --> 02:08:59,679
including the sewer district. We pay

3516
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:02,880
>> we pay we pay for the study that we're

3517
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:05,040
talking about for sewer. There is a

3518
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:06,400
separate cost.

3519
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,560
>> So we are paying for it too. The the

3520
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:10,880
sewer fund is is getting we're paying

3521
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,599
for our taxes the taxes what we're

3522
02:09:13,599 --> 02:09:15,679
paying on our taxes.

3523
02:09:15,679 --> 02:09:17,360
>> It's money that was set aside a long

3524
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:19,119
time ago and sitting in a fun bonded. I

3525
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:24,159
know I know that you said but it's still the towns or the villages

3526
02:09:24,159 --> 02:09:26,239
money that we have paid into. So in

3527
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:26,880
essence

3528
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:30,320
>> so you're yes everybody is paying.

3529
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:32,800
>> So in essence we have paid our own fair

3530
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:34,800
share continue to pay fair and yet we

3531
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:36,320
pay for it in this fund over here for

3532
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:36,800
their sewer.

3533
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:38,719
>> You're paying your tax bill. Yes

3534
02:09:38,719 --> 02:09:40,880
>> I know I know that's another thing we're

3535
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:44,400
paying for. So if if the ask is that if

3536
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:47,679
there's a large expenditure and the

3537
02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:51,520
village has to asssure that the senate

3538
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,320
>> their users does not go bankrupt. I I I

3539
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:56,400
think we've heard that that that the

3540
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:59,679
village will will make sure that that does not happen

3541
02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:01,599
>> that we're helped by the village.

3542
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:05,440
>> I I I mean and and what what that means is is it will have to be

3543
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:07,920
debated at and figured out but yes we're

3544
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:08,960
not going to let it

3545
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:11,760
>> go bankrupt. Oh, you know, I I know

3546
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:13,920
because not being in in in the on the

3547
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:15,679
utility, you don't understand what's all

3548
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:17,920
going on. So, I just felt it was the

3549
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:19,679
time that we need to bring this all out,

3550
02:10:19,679 --> 02:10:21,280
put it to bed, and let's just get it

3551
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,159
squared away so you guys can realize in

3552
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:26,239
five years if sewer's going on over

3553
02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:28,159
there. Wait a minute now. How about

3554
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:30,639
reimbursing, you know, impact fee for

3555
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:34,480
what we had to pay for the $825,000?

3556
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:35,360
That's all.

3557
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:37,040
>> So, I think so. Again, we we're going to

3558
02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:39,040
have a one uh issue on the next agenda

3559
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:43,520
for formal action. The uh the um fire

3560
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,920
department, we're taking care of that as

3561
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:47,760
was agreed to tonight, which was doesn't

3562
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:49,840
need formal action. And this last one we

3563
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:53,280
we've discussed and I think we have an

3564
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,360
understanding, right?

3565
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:57,760
>> So, I think to to your point, Mark, I

3566
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,400
mean I mean and Linda, does does this

3567
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:01,679
clear things?

3568
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:05,360
>> It's fine. Well, does it does it address

3569
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:07,440
these concerns moving forward? Because I

3570
02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:09,760
think the board wants to to make sure

3571
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,599
that we're adequately listening and

3572
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:13,280
addressing it instead of just we don't

3573
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:17,040
want to feel like you're getting pushed away and then it still fers and

3574
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:19,760
we and you feel as though we need to

3575
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:22,239
come back here in a month or two. Are we

3576
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:24,960
>> have we did we resolved the the main

3577
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:25,760
issues that you had?

3578
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,320
>> I I think so. I think so. And I'll try

3579
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:30,000
to do better, but this is the sore spot.

3580
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,639
No, I I think I think having some stuff

3581
02:11:32,639 --> 02:11:34,159
written out tonight and having it on the

3582
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:36,800
agenda was I think we we got there and

3583
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:38,560
this this was this was helpful.

3584
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:39,679
>> We're going to have to tackle any

3585
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:42,719
problem that comes our way.

3586
02:11:42,719 --> 02:11:45,119
>> Right. So, the last item tonight is uh

3587
02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:46,560
discussion and necessary action

3588
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:48,560
regarding the replacement plan for

3589
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:51,520
engine 30.

3590
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:54,079
uh bringing this back. I had to send you

3591
02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:57,280
guys all the list of pairs that you had

3592
02:11:57,280 --> 02:12:00,079
requested from the fire department going

3593
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:03,199
back to 4.

3594
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:04,239
Um

3595
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:07,360
>> so when I sent out packets on Friday, I

3596
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,000
sent a follow-up email with a 54 page

3597
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:12,480
PDF attachment. I did not print it

3598
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:14,400
because it was 54 pages

3599
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:16,159
>> and I I didn't really want it printed

3600
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:18,079
and she asked me because of the fact

3601
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:19,280
that they're just a bunch of repair

3602
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:22,159
bills. you guys want to look at them,

3603
02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:25,679
they're there. Um the I had I did have a

3604
02:12:25,679 --> 02:12:28,639
discussion with um Mr. Oman regarding

3605
02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:30,719
this too and he had talked back about

3606
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:32,800
contract negotiations though it wasn't

3607
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,199
written that they did talk about a time

3608
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:37,280
frame of around 12 years replacement for

3609
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,480
that fire engine. So um I'm not asking

3610
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:44,159
that we make formal action to replace

3611
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:46,560
the fire truck. I'm just asking that we

3612
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:50,239
discuss authorizing, getting the

3613
02:12:50,239 --> 02:12:52,000
coordinating, getting a group together

3614
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:54,239
to even discuss

3615
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:57,199
potential replacement because once you

3616
02:12:57,199 --> 02:12:59,199
put that order in for a firet truck,

3617
02:12:59,199 --> 02:13:00,480
which we're still probably going to be

3618
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:02,079
six, eight months, eight months away

3619
02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:05,119
after we spec out what we want, it's

3620
02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:06,400
going to be a two to three year way

3621
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:07,520
after that.

3622
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:09,280
>> Will you put that in the budget then for

3623
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:09,840
that?

3624
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:11,040
>> Yeah, we already got

3625
02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:12,639
>> money. There's money in there already.

3626
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:14,960
We're doing 200 and some thousand in.

3627
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,119
And I had in my notes that we were at uh

3628
02:13:17,119 --> 02:13:20,639
in talking to to Joe as well as the fire

3629
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:26,320
chief in previous meetings, we were at 12 to 15 years on the fire engine

3630
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,239
replacement and and our second fund

3631
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,159
calculation has it at 13 years. I went

3632
02:13:30,159 --> 02:13:31,280
back and looked at that

3633
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:34,000
>> and 13 years would be right on par if we

3634
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:38,239
started discussions now because they're literally three years out for

3635
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:39,920
some. summer, too. But I mean, we're

3636
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:41,679
going to be talking about it for six to

3637
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:43,199
eight months. That's kind of how what

3638
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:45,360
happened with the tender as well.

3639
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,760
>> I I I wasn't comfortable off, you know,

3640
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:50,560
uh moving forward with with the purchase

3641
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:52,159
at this point or authorizing that, but

3642
02:13:52,159 --> 02:13:54,960
if if we wanted to take action to form

3643
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,280
the committee or form a group to to look

3644
02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,920
at it, um I would have more comfort with

3645
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:03,040
that. Um, and I think Rob made some good

3646
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,520
points at the last meeting that can be

3647
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:07,679
pushed off a little bit longer with with

3648
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,880
some repairs. Um, I guess I wanted to

3649
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:13,520
kind of and then the whole how that

3650
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:15,840
engine is used over there and that that

3651
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:18,320
engine is going into Piwaukee. You guys,

3652
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:20,079
that engine's going into Piwaukee a lot

3653
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:22,239
and it's serving as an ambulance. I

3654
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:23,520
don't I'm not comfortable with the way

3655
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:25,199
that we're doing this this at all. So,

3656
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,040
this this has to be part of a bigger

3657
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:28,800
discussion. Me, too. before we move

3658
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:29,760
forward with

3659
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:31,760
>> Thank you for bringing that up.

3660
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:33,599
>> I'm not saying that we don't don't that

3661
02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:39,199
we don't you know have to get this this engine and replace it in 3 years

3662
02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:40,880
but I'm saying it needs we need a larger

3663
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:41,520
discussion.

3664
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,440
>> Exactly. or I don't want to cheap out on

3665
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:45,360
it, but I also want to just buy one just

3666
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,280
for the sake of buying one because

3667
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:50,000
>> sure

3668
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:51,280
that doesn't mean that we have to pull a

3669
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:52,560
trigger, but

3670
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,719
>> should at least consider it given what

3671
02:14:54,719 --> 02:14:56,400
the time frame is that we have budgeted

3672
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:58,159
and what was discussed

3673
02:14:58,159 --> 02:14:59,760
>> not written any contract but discussed

3674
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:02,239
during

3675
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:03,440
right now.

3676
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:06,239
>> What is the fire apparatus team? Well,

3677
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:09,599
at the time we did the tender, it was

3678
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:11,520
the deputy chief from Pewwaukee, the

3679
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:14,639
fire chief from Pewwaukee, um, Mark

3680
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:20,870
Poppy, and Doug Braum, and then myself.

3681
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:22,400
» Is that changed now? He's on the fire

3682
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:24,239
advisory,

3683
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:26,000
uh, Mr. Braum.

3684
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:29,679
>> Um, no, no, no, no. Well, no. Doug, Doug

3685
02:15:29,679 --> 02:15:33,040
is on the, uh, commission.

3686
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:34,239
>> Commission advisory.

3687
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:38,800
>> Yeah. So, and Rob has come uh uh to the

3688
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:41,679
what do you call the the joint

3689
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:44,400
>> which has been which has been um the

3690
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:46,400
administrator, the chief elected

3691
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:48,239
official and one other person from the

3692
02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:51,520
city, the village and the village.

3693
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,119
Um,

3694
02:15:53,119 --> 02:15:54,880
>> as far as specking out a truck, I mean,

3695
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:57,119
obviously we want to take input from

3696
02:15:57,119 --> 02:15:59,520
what the back fighter department has to

3697
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:01,679
say, but I think we were using having

3698
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:03,440
Doug be there as kind of the village

3699
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:05,520
representative, understanding what the

3700
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:08,480
villages needs were or apparatus, and

3701
02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:09,760
then I was in there just to make sure

3702
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,560
they weren't spending money like this.

3703
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:14,880
>> Well, I mean,

3704
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:17,040
I I love Doug, but I mean, I might feel

3705
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:19,119
a little more comfortable with Rob being

3706
02:16:19,119 --> 02:16:21,280
I mean,

3707
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:24,000
Uh, can can we have both?

3708
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:25,760
>> I don't know anything about specking out

3709
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:26,960
a fire truck,

3710
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:28,079
>> but I think when they're talking about

3711
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:31,280
items, maybe you'd be better at at at

3712
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:33,439
kind of hearing what is more of a

3713
02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:35,519
>> We have no recourse against Mr. Brown.

3714
02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:37,359
>> Yeah,

3715
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:38,559
>> I think that's what he's trying to say.

3716
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:38,960
>> Yeah,

3717
02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:40,800
>> he he he he really loves the fire

3718
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:42,639
department and he loves to have stuff

3719
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:43,200
for him. Yeah.

3720
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:44,639
>> While I was on it, I don't know the

3721
02:16:44,639 --> 02:16:46,240
insides if this pump's going to be

3722
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:48,479
better than that pump, right? You know,

3723
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:50,800
this or that.

3724
02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:52,719
Although if I mean obvious something

3725
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:54,960
obvious like

3726
02:16:54,960 --> 02:16:56,639
you know why do we need 10 light bars on

3727
02:16:56,639 --> 02:16:59,599
instead of two but

3728
02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:01,120
>> we'll do well

3729
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:02,639
>> right so let's let's move forward with

3730
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:04,000
this and then we'll we'll we'll kind of

3731
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:04,800
maybe circle back

3732
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:06,080
>> say we don't have to have the committee

3733
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:07,200
decided

3734
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:11,120
>> right so maybe we'll circle back on that team at the next meeting

3735
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:11,760
>> y

3736
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:13,679
>> all right so do we want to do want a

3737
02:17:13,679 --> 02:17:14,880
motion then

3738
02:17:14,880 --> 02:17:17,280
>> uh yeah please

3739
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:19,040
>> uh so is there a motion to authorize the

3740
02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:21,120
village administ to begin coordinating

3741
02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:24,000
with the fire apparatus team to begin uh

3742
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:25,599
fire truck configuration.

3743
02:17:25,599 --> 02:17:26,399
>> So moved.

3744
02:17:26,399 --> 02:17:27,760
>> Seconded.

3745
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:30,160
>> Any discussion?

3746
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:32,800
>> Hearing none. All those in favor say I.

3747
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:33,840
>> Say nay.

3748
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,800
>> Motion carries. Um is there a motion to

3749
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:37,359
adjurnn?

3750
02:17:37,359 --> 02:17:38,639
>> I make a motion.

3751
02:17:38,639 --> 02:17:41,760
>> Second. All those in favor say I. I.

3752
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:44,319
>> Say nay. Motion carries. We're journed

3753
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:47,679
at 8:49.

3754
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:51,120
It's a sore spot with with us original.

3755
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:53,439
>> Oh, that's