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[0:07] we're on all right good evening
Lichfield and welcome to the Thursday
[0:12] April 4th 2024 meeting of the Lichfield
Conservation Commission I call this
[0:19] meeting to order at 6:31 p.m. please
rise for the Pledge of
[0:25] Allegiance Pledge aliance to the flag of
the United States of America
[0:30] and to the republ for it stands one
nation God indivisible with liberty and
[0:37] justice for all all right all right all
right first thing uh roll call in
[0:45] appointment of alternates Miz plansky
please take us through the roll call Mr
[0:50] hofman here Mr mingan here Michael here
Dian plansky is present Mr chairman and
[0:58] Miss Vice chair here Frank
Fred and George lash here and our new
[1:06] representative from the selectman MR
Joan Brunell here thank you here uh so
[1:11] we got a full board tonight welcome
board You full voting members alternates
[1:17] usual chime in do whatever you want just
can't vote um yep welcome to Mr John
[1:23] Brunell as our Board of selectman rep
we're excited about that and so have you
[1:29] been on the Conservation Commission I
think I served the Conservation
[1:32] Commission for a year once before cool
as a selectman as a selectman's w yes
[1:37] well it's a good group it is aoup I
think you'll have some fun I look
[1:41] forward to it uh first item public input
related to non agenda items uh this is
[1:48] this a person here for this Rob and Rob
is our new member interview so he is on
[1:52] the agenda we've got that on the agenda
so seeing nobody's here we're going to
[1:56] open it at
6:33 and close it Harry at
[2:00] 633 new
business Route 3A cleanup wow look at
[2:06] first thing all right we're g to get
this out of the way right now Joan how
[2:11] does um April 25th
sound
[2:17] calendar it's a April excuse me April
27th is Saturday
[2:30] I can do April
27th I think on the curve going towards
[2:35] this Griffin we're going to need three
people it's it's really bad right now
[2:39] it's really bad plus that's you have to
watch traffic well maybe we can get
[2:44] anide that's like we have done in the
past that curves I always do that corner
[2:49] that's my
corner that's so for the U I've only
[2:53] been hit a couple times for the public
just so that you know what we're talking
[2:56] about is that the Lichfield Conservation
Commission is respons responsible for
[3:01] doing cleanup between Hill Crest and
Pine Crest and we do it twice a year and
[3:05] some for some reason that curve around
by Griffin is a magnet for laat blue
[3:14] trip X's I don't know anybody that
drinks that Jason I don't know no bud
[3:18] lights no no Bud Lights it's only the
good stuff that's a good thing I noticed
[3:22] there's a lot of cans around that corner
so the only thing I'm worried about Joan
[3:26] with the 27th I'm fine with that but we
got to get out there before the leav
[3:30] start coming in I know we cuz we got to
go in deep this year what about oh well
[3:35] I just we did last arbitrarily picked
that what uh 20 13 any of those 13 might
[3:40] still be snow 20th anybody around on the
20th I can't do the 20th I can do the
[3:46] 13th I don't know if the snow's going to
be melted by then that's next Saturday
[3:50] well Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
Saturday you guys can do it without me
[3:55] we did it in the fall Without You 13th
did you do it in the fall without me yep
[4:00] that's the first one I missed anybody
else yeah I'm I'm not I'm it depends on
[4:03] track season so okay so you're like
Sundays are better for me actually if we
[4:08] want you're up in the air I'm up in the
air if I if I'm here I'll do it Sundays
[4:13] it be I'm okay with Sundays I'm okay
with Sunday I'm okay with Sundays not
[4:18] the 21st though 14th I can do the 14th I
don't know we good on the 14th what time
[4:27] if not uh 9:00 a.m. I'll bring a date
900 if not what I won't be able to make
[4:34] the
14th okay that's okay that's
[4:39] okay
we'll uh cancel if weather so are we
[4:44] good on the 14th Joan you good with that
yeah Fred yes all right Matt so good on
[4:49] a Sunday everybody else Mr Cotto if you
can make it if I can make it all right n
[4:52] o'cl 9:00 on the 14th 9 a. so all right
next item on the agenda
[5:00] natural resource
scien scientist dos Joan this is you
[5:06] okay um we have been members for quite a
while this is
[5:12] um their acronym is naners New Hampshire
Association of natural resource
[5:16] scientists and it's worth the $30
because they do some good workshops and
[5:21] then you get discountable
workshops so we've
[5:26] been part of this organization for years
a while all right and they give a they
[5:31] give a Conservation Commission
membership at
[5:33] $30 anybody want to make a motion to pay
the $30 dues I'll make a motion that we
[5:39] pay the $30 due for the natural
resources
[5:45] scientist situation we got a motion by
Harry we got a seconded by Matt all
[5:51] those in favor say I I I all those
opposed motion carries
[5:57] 24670 all right um review of
conservation
[6:02] bylaws you're up next on skip you're G
to skip Rob C Rob is next ABC new member
[6:09] interview you see oh I I changed it up a
little bit why don't you come
[6:15] forward you change it after you again I
did I I printed it like we're
[6:20] good Diane do you want to lead this um
yes sure could you introduce yourself
[6:26] and and tell us where you're from yeah
so my name name is Rob Brer um uh I live
[6:32] two roads up on Shirley way so um yeah
I'm a Fisheries biologist for a uh
[6:39] private environmental consulting company
and uh so I've always been I've lived in
[6:44] town for going on 10 years now um and
first moved to town I was a active duty
[6:52] air Air Force I was stationed down at
hansam Air Force Base um so I did uh I'm
[6:57] retired from the Air Force and uh you
know went to college became a Fisheries
[7:01] biologist and uh so I've always been
interested in the kind of conservation
[7:07] efforts that are kind of ongoing in town
and uh it's kind of a shame that I been
[7:13] in town for almost a decade and don't
really know what SC really goes the
[7:17] present right yeah right is absolutely
so just always been interested in the uh
[7:22] ongoings of town and as far as
conservation and land use development
[7:27] natural resources and stuff like that so
figured I'd be you know reach out and uh
[7:32] you know was interested in kind of
getting involved with the community and
[7:35] have you had a chance to watch any of
our meetings uh I have yes on on
[7:39] Facebook yep okay we have a pretty good
term yeah we do a lot it's pretty active
[7:44] board it's it's a really active does
yeah I've looked at the projects the
[7:47] community garden the fishing derby and
all that stuff yeah yeah okay um does
[7:52] anybody have any questions for
[7:57] Rob you filled out your paperwork
question do you think you're
[8:02] overqualified I might be I might be what
do you do as a uh what do you do as a
[8:09] what' you say a fishery a Fisheries
biologist what does that entail so I
[8:13] work a lot it's it's I do a lot of very
I've got a very kind of diverse
[8:18] portfolio as far as different projects I
work on so like I said I'm an
[8:22] environmental consultant and um so we
deal with clientele uh whether it's
[8:27] federal state or other private CL cents
uh like as a subcontractor or something
[8:32] like that and um so I deal with pretty
much everything involves you know
[8:38] Fisheries um so whether it's like fish
hatcheries or no so Fisheries habitat uh
[8:45] Fisheries passage uh even dealing with
like aquatic organisms plant W about
[8:51] vernal pools uh vernal pools is more on
wetlands and stuff like that so what
[8:55] about mil foil mil foil um we'll do mil
foil cyano bacteria stuff like that yeah
[9:01] I'm doing a project right now we got one
for cyano bacteria water quality uh
[9:06] water quality sampling all that type of
stuff I do all water quality sampling
[9:09] water quality parameter monitoring so
I've got a very diverse portfolio but
[9:14] pfoa pfoa P fast all that stuff yeah is
it fresh water or salt water you
[9:20] specialize in both uh primarily fresh
water Fisheries yes that's one of my
[9:24] experti is in uh you know Northeast you
know freshwater fish identification uh
[9:29] but a dein marine and you know kind of
you know inner tile in you know inner
[9:36] Lakes so stuff we could use them to help
us on N Brook yeah yeah yeah
[9:43] yeah down there Rob right so I'm an a
fishermen as well obviously so you've
[9:47] been down to park I fished you know I
fish I fished all around town Ness and
[9:50] keg and dar Pond and all that stuff so
I've done quite a fishing you know quite
[9:54] a bit of fishing around town so but n i
my main focus though is is Hydro power
[10:01] so I I I like uh design fabricate and
install fish passage systems um all
[10:07] across New England midatlantic like so
they get from Brooks to larger bodies of
[10:13] water yeah migratory species mainly dams
over Dam over dams so like mainly kind
[10:18] of focusing in eels and alisin or your
River Herring salmon salmon yeah do so I
[10:23] I do uh uh radio telemetry or you know
stuff like that to monitor salmon uh
[10:29] where actually we Tagg salmon and stuff
like that actually just um uh we just uh
[10:35] this winter actually just a couple weeks
ago we had a we got 40 brown trout brown
[10:40] trout smol that we kind of did like a
track a t uh a training seminar on how
[10:45] to tag um smol so yeah we do a lot of
projects where we monitor you know fish
[10:51] passage uh uh kind of doing some
Community assessments and stuff like
[10:56] that so but that's pretty much uh it's a
there's a lot more but that's pretty
[11:00] much the synopsis the clip notes of what
I do how long have you worked for that
[11:03] company I've been with that company
since May of
[11:06] 22 so we meet once a month um we've got
a full board so we have seven seven
[11:15] voting members and then we have at least
right now we have two two alternates
[11:20] right now our bylaws they State any
um I don't know I was looking so um so
[11:28] what an alter
position is is you're a you're a regular
[11:32] member you can uh participate in any way
possible just when we get down to a vote
[11:39] vote yet you can't vote unless there is
a full member missing then an alternate
[11:44] me missing during that meeting then an
alternate member takes that spot and is
[11:48] able able to vote um and then we do a
lot we do a lot between meetings uh we
[11:55] do a lot of land maintenance we do a lot
of project type of work which you'll
[12:00] probably hear tonight if you if you hang
around oh yeah um yeah so we put some
[12:05] hours in there's no there's no maximum
of of alternates in our bylaws uh the
[12:10] process did you fill out the the online
survey I did fill out the online form
[12:15] and then I was sent another form yeah
the second form is the detailed more
[12:20] detailed one more detailed form I forgot
to print that out was I supposed to
[12:24] bring that one to me tonight or is I
just email that one back well it the
[12:27] board will probably recommend you to the
selectman and then turn that into the
[12:32] selectman get it to Kim Kleiner the Town
Administrator then get an interview with
[12:36] the selectman as well because they
appoint okay so it's a two-part process
[12:40] so right here is your interview with us
and then we make a recommendation to uh
[12:46] recommend you to the board of Selectmen
and the board of Selectmen will actually
[12:49] appoint you as an alternate so we don't
we don't appoint as an alternate we make
[12:54] the recommendation Board of selectman
makes the appointment okay sounds great
[12:58] Mr brunell's our Board of Selectmen meet
you and then you have to be sworn in by
[13:03] the town clerk on once it's s pass by
the select right so I make a motion that
[13:09] we send a letter to the board of
Selectmen saying that we'd like to have
[13:12] Rob join us as an alternate do I have a
second second okay uh anybody have any
[13:19] other questions at all Mr Coto anything
we have a lot of fishing people here M I
[13:25] heard I heard there's a lot of Fisher my
fisherman or I'm an avid fly fish all
[13:30] kinds of fishing so I do I do freshwater
and and Marine fly fly fishing both type
[13:35] of music country and western
exactly loose brother reference right
[13:40] there um so we have a motion
by Diane Diane seconded by John uh all
[13:49] those in favor say I I all those oppos
abstain motion passes 70 and that can be
[13:55] an email too you have any got questions
for us Kim Kleiner no I'm in
[13:59] oh not to the
select but as far as right now well that
[14:03] goes to okay good call M what yeah any
questions do you have any questions of
[14:09] us oh I was just saying uh not no not
right now but in time they'll probably
[14:14] come but it's just it's definitely
something something I'm very interested
[14:18] in we also give um input to the zoning
board and planning board on projects
[14:23] that come in Wetlands that's good to
know I've done um I used to do some Land
[14:28] Development land you so work for another
company uh down in Amherst and you you
[14:33] know dealing with kind of uh Dees and so
mher New Hampshire or mher New Hampshire
[14:39] yeah environmental permitting and that
stuff so Wetlands background um no I I
[14:44] can I have education in wetlands and uh
and all that stuff but I'm not a
[14:49] certified Wetland scientist or anything
like that still education is good so
[14:53] that Joe brings up a good point so any
any development that comes in town that
[14:58] impacts for the most part A Wetlands or
a Wetlands buffer that comes before us
[15:03] and then we make recommendations that
end up going to the planning board yeah
[15:07] so I've done yeah I've dealt with the
wet Mike's the chairman of the plan oh
[15:11] nice that's awesome Okay small town all
right yeah yeah cool so we'll get an
[15:17] email Joan right is that so we'll get an
email to the Town
[15:21] Administrator um she will most likely
put you on the agenda for the board of
[15:26] Selectmen the next meeting I think is
next is on Monday Monday yeah okay um so
[15:31] it may happen then it may happen two
weeks two weeks from Monday we have your
[15:36] email address yeah sure it's uh do you
want to now uh why just write it down
[15:41] for me paper
here okay uh let's do that here sheet of
[15:46] paper then she can get you an
[15:51] appointment all right good while you're
doing that we're going to move on with
[15:55] the agenda and uh you're welcome to hang
out we got a lot of things going on
[16:00] tonight he's planning on to um concert
so we're now at the review of bylaws so
[16:07] I wanted to just take a second and put
the bylaws up on the screen and just see
[16:10] if anybody has uh just to do a really
quick three minute overview of them just
[16:15] to see if anybody has any any
questions and actually from Mr Brunell I
[16:21] don't know if you've I just looked at
them got a chance to look at these
[16:25] things conservation bylaws thank you
[16:31] you there we
[16:35] go I we try to do this once a
year just to make sure that we're all
[16:42] kind of on the same page in regards to
this okay so I'm going to scroll through
[16:46] it real quick and I'll we haven't had
any updates since 2022 on it right nope
[16:52] I don't even I don't think 2005 yeah
it's been a long time um I have a i I
[16:58] think that we should look I'm going to
read through it Diane just real quick so
[17:02] we go in order and then we can see if
we've got any issues then we
[17:06] can we would have to deliberate those at
an at another another meeting um so the
[17:12] purpose to study natural resources of
the town and make proper recommendations
[17:16] to the selectman planning board and town
programs on the better use development
[17:21] and preservation of the town's natural
resources uh B acquire by purchase Grant
[17:27] trust easement or gift such Parcels of
land that may be available for
[17:31] conservation or recreational purposes C
to manage such acquired land until such
[17:38] time as it properly becomes the
responsibility of another town
[17:42] organization D to inform local residents
about various aspects of the town's
[17:47] natural resources and E to perform
whatever other duties pertinent under
[17:53] rsa's 36a which governs conservation
commissions um under the membership line
[18:00] the Conservation Commission shall be
comprised of seven
[18:04] members on a rotating basis three-year
terms and alternates appointments are
[18:09] made by the Lichfield Board of Selectmen
and B Lichfield Conservation Commission
[18:15] members missing three consecutive
meetings can be kicked out of the
[18:20] club that's what it
says um government officers include
[18:26] chair Vice chair and secretary terms of
office all officers are elected annually
[18:32] after April
appointments and are made by the board
[18:36] of Selectmen and the terms of office
will begin immediately we're going to do
[18:40] that tonight an officer May hold his
post no more than two consecutive terms
[18:46] however upon unanimous vote of a quorum
an officer may serve an additional term
[18:53] for not more than a total of four terms
consecutive so there's a two two-year
[18:59] term but if you're voted in you get two
additional years if it's
[19:04] unanimous um
eligibility all duly appointed members
[19:08] of the Conservation Commission shall be
eligible for any office in that
[19:15] organization except for the limitations
under Article 4 B which is the two
[19:22] consecutive term
thing uh then it goes into the duties I
[19:26] won't go through here I'll just
paraphrase chairman presides over the
[19:30] meeting Vice chair fills in in the
absence of the chair the secretary keeps
[19:35] the minutes and attendance notifies
Conservation Commission
[19:39] members uh meetings are held
monthly uh and that's a and then B we
[19:46] need a quorum of four members to conduct
our
[19:49] business and then under voting in no
case shall Maj majority be less than
[19:54] three votes if it's a tie vote things
it's a loss
[19:59] and the chairman may vote at meetings
but shall not have more than one vote
[20:04] why would a chair have more than one
vote interesting Robert's Rules of
[20:08] orders and any amendments um we can
discuss any amendments and amend the
[20:15] bylaws at any given point in time can
they be voted at the same meeting do you
[20:20] have to public
hearing believe you are right that's in
[20:25] the amendment section is it SA
at the next meeting it says in the third
[20:32] line shall vote on whether to consider
amendments for the next meeting so you
[20:37] can make them where does it say that the
last paragraph the third line line
[20:43] [Music]
down so it doesn't say it has to be a
[20:47] well this is a public doesn't have to be
a public hearing but no you have to
[20:50] notice for a public hearing you I think
what it's saying is that you can't make
[20:54] a change to the bylaws that meeting that
meeting and then vote on that meting
[20:59] okay so that'll be the next meeting um
but but we could discuss it this we
[21:03] should
know proposed
[21:07] change anybody got any issues with
those I don't know that other boards um
[21:13] limit the chair to to certain amount of
years does anybody know that I know
[21:19] you've been chair forever over it at
planning and Laura's been Sher for they
[21:24] don't the other boards don't limit it no
I don't know a bad thing I was chairman
[21:31] for about 15
years yeah I think but I think there's
[21:34] an exception if there's nobody else in
the same unanimous vot right or no one
[21:39] actually gets stepped up I think the
board of selectman are looking at their
[21:44] bylaws that haven't been viewed in a
while and that has the same stipulation
[21:47] it's two two terms you oh does oh okay
there's a there's the same exception
[21:52] some no one else does it that carries on
but okay yeah
[21:58] anything should we have something in
there that says I don't how to word it
[22:03] but excuse me Matt Lor had brought this
up that a commission member should not
[22:10] be speaking outside of a meeting as
representing the commission unless
[22:15] they've been told that in in a
meeting I recall that and that was a a
[22:22] separate policy that he adopted I don't
think it just ever got referenced
[22:27] into that might be something to think
about y um that just unlik can't we
[22:32] can't speak about anything unless it's
been pre preapproved representing the
[22:36] commission outside of a meeting if
unless the board has sent you off to do
[22:42] some particular job which is how we have
been operating yeah um makes sense it
[22:48] does make sense to be
added all right so maybe we can dig that
[22:52] up at the next next meeting and and
think about that I don't think it's a
[22:56] bad idea it's just you're
representing the commission you just got
[23:01] to make sure that it's the
commission's statement instead of an
[23:05] individual
[23:08] statement all right cool anything
else moveing right
[23:14] along now to the fun
[23:20] stuff old business so we got a lot of
old business here so uh the gavel might
[23:27] come out except for George because
George comes with
[23:31] Graphics uh pollinator Garden update
talk um I have not had very much luck uh
[23:42] coordinating the community center with
UNH
[23:48] either UNH couldn't meet their dates or
the fire department had already reserved
[23:56] the room and I've tried to two or three
times and I'm going to try one more time
[24:03] and I'm going to
try I think the second week in May and
[24:10] see how that works
out and if we have to push it out you
[24:15] know a month or two push it out a month
or two okay yeah yeah I mean well
[24:21] gardening stuff should probably be
happening sooner than later because yeah
[24:25] because I I fill out the form and i'
give it to the fire department and then
[24:31] I'd follow up with them saying you
know
[24:36] oh uh I guess I forgot to tell you that
date was taken and it just it's
[24:43] been just bring we know a guy we know a
guy who knows about scheduling how's
[24:49] that how's that work in the evening so
looking at Tuesday the 7th and Thursday
[24:57] the 9th the community room is available
is that in May that's in
[25:02] May and if you want
it I can ask I can put a block in for
[25:07] both days to decide which day it is
um let me send an email to un H now
[25:15] which dates did you say the um 7th 7th
and the 9th a Tuesday and a Thursday May
[25:21] May and they appear to be open they are
currently open doesn't mean that there
[25:28] is somewh trying to get booked into it
but right now they're currently I know
[25:31] um I I'm happy to
call tomorrow and make sure that they
[25:36] arew you trying to book it and I'll
block it all right let me now do I still
[25:41] have to fill out the the form for the
fire department I'll ask for you but
[25:46] we'll get it reserved for you
yeah John when the fire department's
[25:50] using that room y does that typically go
on the C the town calendar uh well it's
[25:55] not the town calendar it's it's on their
community calendar calendar it doesn't
[25:59] show up in the town calendar okay so um
so we can't see that we can't see if
[26:03] they block it probably not that the
typically the room is blocked on
[26:06] Wednesday evening is the fire department
um there are a lot of other um Community
[26:13] organizations using the room so it is
getting used a lot outside of town
[26:18] me
ouch so yeah one time I had fill out the
[26:25] form yeah and uh
he said okay and then he had to call me
[26:31] back and said oops and that could have
been a town meeting conflict too
[26:35] unfortunately because it will trump it
will tend sometimes trumpet but I I I'll
[26:41] talk to him tomorrow to make sure and if
so I'll just I'll block it there does
[26:45] really get his emails May 7th is a
planning board again so TR for the nth
[26:51] which night May 7th is the planning
board planning board so that cuts down
[26:55] you she would like to be there is what
you're saying be at the planning board
[26:59] so it has to be that I mean have to try
for seventh or night whatever you can
[27:03] har you got this it sounds like it's
either seventh or 9th communicate if you
[27:09] if we need to kick it out we'll kick it
out okay why don't you give John your
[27:12] phone number too because that way he
doesn't try to go through email with you
[27:15] and you can't find it whatever um so for
the folks on the line all 10 people
[27:20] watching uh there's going to be a
pollinator talk at the fire station at
[27:25] some given point in time in the near
future knock on wood all works out good
[27:29] we will get there thanks um next item on
the agenda Moors fall sidewalk update uh
[27:34] get this one so if if you guys remember
correctly a couple of months ago we got
[27:42] a the developer for Corning Farm which
is the horse farm came in and discussed
[27:48] putting a sidewalk across Moors Falls to
be able to make that connection
[27:53] eventually over to the bike path um
we've been running around for like the
[27:57] past last three months or so on that we
finally got a plan for it today at like
[28:03] 2: p.m. and it's up it's up in the
portal um I'll give you guys a quick
[28:08] look at it I don't know if there's
really much action that we need to take
[28:13] on this uh Joan well we need to we need
to send us to the fishing game yeah so
[28:20] let's just take like a quick look at
what what they
[28:24] did and all right and then did you have
a contact that at uh New England power
[28:31] National Grid we'll have to send it to
them as well this doesn't have a great
[28:35] PDF viewer John no it does not agre but
I'm going to try
[28:40] to it's actually looks like it's it's
much clearer when you open it up but um
[28:45] the point right right here on the side
of the screen I don't know Matt if you
[28:49] can just like point to it for the people
where my mouse is you know that's the
[28:54] the exit of the Horse Farm property
right you see that can you point right
[28:59] to where yeah right where that is and
then the entrance to moris Falls is down
[29:04] on the leftand side of the screen and
they are proposing the sidewalk is going
[29:09] to basically hug the fence it's going to
go around the power pole right there and
[29:14] then come all the way down and then end
at the at the parking lot cool so they
[29:21] provided that design and then the
important thing here and unfortunately
[29:26] can't see it cuz I got to get a better
View were uh but these are a a vertical
[29:31] profile of that and that's what the
National Grid wanted and um I don't
[29:37] think the state cares about the vertical
but National Grid needed that vertical
[29:41] and those little numbers there State the
height of the the
[29:46] wires and then and then the elevation of
the ground so I think everything what
[29:52] was the uh final result on the surface
is it going to be stone dust or we don't
[30:00] well that's up to the state didn't they
say no pavement right we're hoping for I
[30:05] think we're hoping for pavement okay
yeah so we're going to stick with that
[30:10] for now but we we'll find out from
building yeah um so anybody got any
[30:17] questions on that at all it's going on
the inside of the
[30:22] fence in inside of the fence pretty much
hugging the fence line and then going
[30:28] around that one power pole what about
those trees uh the trees that we they're
[30:34] they're probably on the inside on the
map the trees would be that that
[30:39] shouldn't interfere with the trees
they're on the outside of the trees it
[30:41] looks like so it's so the trees
are and and the path is on the other
[30:47] side of the trees if those little dots
are trees if you zoom in so is the oh
[30:53] there you see those little dots between
the road and no no no no below closer
[30:58] all those yeah all those there those
must be trees they that's all they could
[31:02] be I'm thinking now the fence when it
comes into the fence in the parking area
[31:07] is are we going to be responsible to
replace that or they're going to they're
[31:12] going to do they're going to take care
of that
[31:14] for because would they go around the
fence or they going to the the plan
[31:20] shows it it ending you know where about
the sign is where we have the little
[31:24] sign it's most likely going to end there
and then exit it
[31:28] onto Route 3A essentially through the r
gate yeah and then if the if the gas
[31:35] station ever gets built it's going to
pick up from there right right okay and
[31:39] the existing fence is still going to
stay there yeah
[31:43] better there's 101 holes dug there 80
pounds of concrete per hole do the
[31:51] ma
um uh okay what's the next step are you
[31:55] going to get a hold of National Grid and
then yeah so the so the next steps we
[31:59] got to get this plan to two places
fishing game and National Grid I'll take
[32:04] care of National Grid if you'll take
care of fishing
[32:08] game and then it the balls in their
Court fishing game she said might take a
[32:14] while I don't think it'll be this year
he wanted to do the footing on the
[32:18] bedding on in the winter but I think
we're past that
[32:22] yep all right anything else on on that
hearing none next item on the agenda
[32:31] dupon mil foil
update um I don't have too much to say
[32:36] he's I did send him uh the list of
abutters and I think I copied you guys
[32:41] with the email so I went through the tax
map got all the ab Butter's names and
[32:45] addresses sent it to him um and he
replied saying thank you for the you
[32:51] know he received the email I think he's
still waiting for his um permits to be
[32:55] applied by the state um so we're in a
waiting game we haven't paid him any
[32:59] money you know he said once he gets his
permits applied with the um pesticides
[33:05] or herbicides that he's going to use um
then he'll ask for um the first
[33:11] installment um for the the amount that
we owned so and and the Town
[33:16] Administrator wants to know when all
this is happening and what's happening
[33:20] because of the storm water ms4 permit
she needs to know anything happens with
[33:25] the water
[33:29] well when I when I know I'll let her
know and I I need to know sorry I need
[33:35] to know for that um study that they're
doing through um Dees right so like to
[33:41] get out there before he gets out there
yeah and I I don't think I I'll reach
[33:46] out to him again to find out if he knows
exactly what okay what date or and he's
[33:51] just going to give me a
ballpark the the big question is is the
[33:54] ball rolling on his end like the ball he
has applied for the pr
[33:58] gotta yeah okay does any clue on how
long that that takes no and this guy is
[34:05] kind of a unique duck so you know if I
if I push him too hard and he's our only
[34:10] option I don't want to you know push him
away but so I'm trying not to pound on
[34:15] him you know I was I was going to him
once a month you know um but I'll hit
[34:20] I'll reach out to him again to see
exactly where we are our Target was like
[34:23] June right I think
so cool have you heard any feedback from
[34:30] any of the abuts at all I'm just curious
um so we went and talked with Susan
[34:35] Brown um she um lives just outside the
ball field there on what gr Lane gr
[34:43] lanean so she had mentioned there's this
flooding of um Tera Pond and she brought
[34:49] it to the attention of us the highway
department and the building inspector um
[34:54] I think I pushed her towards the
building inspector so
[34:58] I went out and spoke with her and Matt
was there too and we took a look at her
[35:02] concerns um and it maybe that the pond
is just overflowing because of all the
[35:08] rain that we had um typically we would
have snow pack and it would melt in a
[35:12] controlled fashion and I think all the
rain that we had in December and January
[35:17] probably just filled the pond up higher
than it should be but anyways she was
[35:22] all for the mil foil um and she was
talking to somebody on the other side of
[35:27] the pond
who was in a butter of the pond who was
[35:29] all for it as well so that's two out of
the six are all for it so
[35:35] basically people
are uh happy with everybody I've talked
[35:40] to about it has sounded happy you know
people who have been fishing there or
[35:44] people walking you know I've seen them
um walking on the in the beach area I've
[35:48] talked to them
cool people have to be aware that that
[35:53] is a kettlehole pond it's glacial
created it has no in her Outlet I did
[35:58] take a ride down grass to see what was
happening and it's flooding in the
[36:02] marshy area her house is up high enough
not a problem but the um it's the two
[36:08] well the two production Wells have been
shut off too so the pond is coming
[36:14] back what was that last thing you said
Joe the two production Wells excuse me
[36:19] on
um off uh behind near the off Mal uh not
[36:25] Mard wood hawkway they have been shut
down for a while because of
[36:28] contamination of gas so that has brought
the pond back they were that pond is in
[36:35] the cone of influence of those Wells as
is perch pond so those all those ponds
[36:40] are coming back to where they should be
and for years they told you that they
[36:45] weren't affecting them the geologist
from un said turn the wells off for two
[36:50] weeks and you'll see how the pond comes
back
[36:53] exactly cool well good okay thank you
for that uh Parker Park Bridge update
[36:59] George okay
um I since you wanted Graphics I gave
[37:04] you a a little if you go to the view um
you can go to slideshow mode I think
[37:10] okay uh let's see where's slideshow mode
on this view so file edit view right
[37:16] there oh there we go and then PowerPoint
guy so yeah this is a Google Slides or
[37:22] something same thing it's free oh can
you scroll up to the uh
[37:29] uh yes okay that's good enough okay all
right so um I made this little
[37:34] PowerPoint today just to uh you know
have you guys take a look at what the
[37:39] options are for the different types of
bridges that we could put in there and
[37:42] the work I've done um with this FR FRP
Bridge so next slide please so we have
[37:47] basically three different types of
bridges um one is called the Rainbow
[37:53] Bridge with homemade trusses um you can
buy Plan plans from this company rainbow
[37:58] Bridges online and Jason had sent a
video to me and Matt I think about this
[38:05] trust and Trust system so this would be
a a truss that we would handmake um and
[38:10] we could um build a bridge ourselves
building our own trusses uh we could
[38:14] also use a steel ibeam uh we were this
is the type of bridge that you see at um
[38:20] Hidden Creek and pasic Conway so they
use steel ey beams for their support and
[38:24] then uh the third one is the F FRP
fiberglass rein fored plastic and
[38:29] basically it's I beams or trusses made
out of this fiberglass reinforced
[38:35] plastic okay so I get you so these are a
couple pictures of what this uh Rainbow
[38:42] Bridge truss would look like um I just
grabbed a couple of them off the
[38:46] internet but if we were to do it we
would have to make a a much better
[38:51] railing system um I'm not 100 sure 100%
sure if we have to be ADA Compliant um
[38:57] but ada8 compliance means you can't put
a 4ft ball through any of the holes in
[39:01] the bridge okay so I don't know if
that's an option but that's a picture of
[39:08] the Rainbow Bridge go ahead
yeah so this is a picture of one of the
[39:13] bridges on
um at Hidden Creek Hidden Creek and
[39:18] there's a there's a couple of Steel I
beams um running across there and so the
[39:22] ibeam carries the span weight and they
have concrete pockets on either side of
[39:27] these Bridges and you put your decking
on top okay
[39:31] pre-cast the yeah you well you have
to well in this case there's concrete
[39:38] and I don't think it's pre-cast I think
they poured it there okay but this is
[39:42] just a picture of what it looks like and
we would have to put railings okay and
[39:46] then this is the um uh FR FRP Bridge the
bridge on the left is the actual style
[39:53] that we're going to we would we would
use um which has
[39:57] I beams along the bottom the one on the
right um actually has their own little
[40:02] truss support so you can see how the the
trusses stick out
[40:06] um that the trust style bridge is
required if you go over 25 ft and it's
[40:11] much more expensive um this the ibeam
style on the left is the we can do for
[40:17] 25 ft how how wide is it again how um so
I went and got a um another price qu
[40:26] originally I priced it at5 foot wide I
priced it at 4 feet wide and the price
[40:31] came down significantly so um I'll I'll
be addressing that SP that you have to
[40:36] 25t 25t will 25 work yes yeah okay next
slide
[40:42] get okay so here here's the pros and
cons on these various different um
[40:47] designs okay if we do the homemade trust
it's the cheapest right um we just be
[40:51] buying 2 by 12s and nailing them
together okay um and we won't need
[40:58] really large Machinery to put them in
place because they're I mean they may be
[41:02] 2 or 300 lounds each but we can put the
trusses in by hand okay we might need to
[41:08] have some guy wires to put them across
but we could do it um the cons are that
[41:12] it will deteriorate over time because
it's wood it could be pressure treated
[41:16] but it would still Pro probably um
deteriorate uh we would have to build it
[41:22] so we'd have to be using hand tools and
this and that um there may be liability
[41:27] ISS isues involved because you know
we're using these plans off the internet
[41:30] and we are building it I don't know if I
want to put my name to a bridge that
[41:34] some kid it collapses and they drown but
whatever and then how long will it take
[41:39] to build right so you'd have to put
these trusses together right then we
[41:43] have to go I think the cons are
Pros okay next next slide like liabil
[41:49] nobody likes using Cary though so steel
I beam next so so it's pretty
[41:57] structurally sound right you know it the
the steel isn't second least expensive
[42:02] or keep going second least expensive
right the cons is that you know you've
[42:06] got this 25t steel ibeam that you have
to somehow get in there so we can get
[42:12] heavy machinery on one side but maybe
not the other side right so it kind of
[42:16] hard to get that helicopter helicopter
um we still would have to do the
[42:21] building of the decking and the railings
um and again that may deteriorate over
[42:26] time and we do need a structural
engineer to size that beam so it's
[42:31] beyond our Layman you know so it's not
all that hard oh we got a fishery guy
[42:35] here he's probably under his I mean you
tell them you tell them the length of
[42:39] the span what you're going to be using
it for and they'll give you the weight
[42:42] so it's okay I've sort of done it but I
haven't priced out the ibeam
[42:47] itself okay and then this FRP um what's
FRP stand for again fiberglass
[42:53] reinforced plastic all right okay um
it's easy to to assemble um I looked at
[42:59] a uh for service study and they said
they built one in 3 hours with five
[43:04] people it was a 22t bridge so they put
it together um in 3 hours um it's
[43:11] basically an Erector Set it's got a
bunch of galvanized bolts and you bolt
[43:15] it together um it's no heavy equipment
it won't rot and the key is it's
[43:20] engineered by somebody else to carry the
load and we don't have to worry about it
[43:24] it does cost the most um it will will be
drop shipped here or it'll come in on a
[43:29] trailer we would have to unload the
trailer um it's be a couple of I think
[43:36] maybe three pallets would have to come
off um and if you don't like that light
[43:42] green color that could be a con but okay
next slide yep okay I have a question on
[43:49] that one y what happens if a a big tree
hits the fiberglass Bridge it's going to
[43:54] break it'll break it'll break like
well but it's going to be the same thing
[43:59] that if it be if same thing if it was a
Wood Bridge well not if it was a steel I
[44:04] beam not if it's a steel I but hold that
thought okay so George has got
[44:10] everything covered don't go George I do
so um I read the study and there's a
[44:15] link and actually this um presentation
is in the portal right and I did update
[44:21] the PDF file that I or the the word
document I had with a whole bunch of
[44:24] more information so um and there are
clickable links now okay so you don't
[44:29] have
to okay so if properly designed for the
[44:34] load these things work very well but
it's they had one collapse on them and
[44:39] they ran a Mule Train carrying bags of
cement across this bridge that was only
[44:44] designed for pedestrians and it
collapsed but thankfully no mules or
[44:47] people were hurt okay so it's good to
know okay so they did in the part of the
[44:53] study they says you know you can't like
Nick these things up and and scratch
[44:56] them you know it's the fiberglass
supports and whatnot so you don't want
[45:00] to be like banging them on rocks um when
you're you can Nick them up no you can't
[45:05] Nick them up so you don't you mean it's
hard to Nick them up or you shouldn't
[45:08] Nick them you shouldn't Nick them up
okay all right and um in one of the
[45:12] bridges in a couple of places they um
were using impact guns or something to
[45:17] put the bolts in and they overtightened
some of them and it compromise a couple
[45:21] of the holes um but it didn't compromise
the bridge in totality but um there was
[45:27] just a couple of things to mention and
one of the ones there was a study in
[45:31] Arizona or something and in um very hot
temperatures because it is plastic it
[45:37] will give a little bit more but it's
designed to to handle that um so that's
[45:43] that so coal doesn't bother coold
doesn't
[45:46] bother okay so we um had the pile um one
of the pile companies come out and take
[45:54] a look at our two locations we had like
a 30ft location in a 25t location across
[45:58] the bank and it turned out this 25t
section he thought was the best this is
[46:03] the second one the one that's farther
down uh near the corner of the um stream
[46:10] where we cut the trees down dog legs
okay where dog legs so this picture is
[46:15] taken from the community guard inside of
the stream okay and uh you can see I
[46:22] noted that the tree on the right side of
the opposite Bank might need to come
[46:25] down so
it's in worse condition than the one
[46:29] that's on the left mostly dead right so
we we it would most likely Fall Away
[46:35] from the bridge but we would take that
look the root system might pop exactly
[46:40] and um because we have 25 ft there the
tape measure is showing there is 24 ft
[46:47] and it's off the bank on both sides so
there's enough room to put the piles in
[46:52] um and not have to deal with the roots
he thought there might be too much Rock
[46:57] at the other section and that's still on
the town parcel that where you are no no
[47:02] no nor yeah we do it is written in the
um the easement in the lease that we can
[47:08] put Bridges there but we if we if this
ends up going through we should probably
[47:12] just have a conversation with them just
to not nor but get the double thumbs up
[47:17] agrarian agian y next slide next line
okay sorry if I'm not going fast enough
[47:24] no this is good all right so here's a
picture of yeah yeah here's a picture of
[47:28] one of those piles that they put into
the ground right so it's a three it's a
[47:32] 3in wide um um pipe galvanized pipe that
they screw in augur in um and they'll be
[47:41] putting in four of them um one you know
two on each side and it's going to be a
[47:46] two I beam if the FR FRP thing goes
through it it would be two ey beams
[47:50] whether it was steel or um this plastic
Bridge um and travel cost and
[47:56] installation cost whatever it's about
3,000 it might be less a little bit less
[48:01] um for the foundation only for the
foundation I have another company um
[48:05] there's two in the area that do it they
were supposed to call me back today I'm
[48:09] going to get another quote from them
okay okay thanks so that gets screwed in
[48:14] y and then oh hold on okay never
mind need to hold so they put they put a
[48:21] a plate on the top of the thing there so
um the cap plate is used to either I
[48:27] don't know if we would put a a steel
component or is that a u yeah it's a u
[48:32] well he has a number of different
attachments depending upon what your
[48:35] application is so it could bolt directly
to the ibeam or he said we might want to
[48:40] put a steel plate on there and Bolt the
plate to the ibeam depending upon um how
[48:45] it goes and he uses this 4ot wide
excavator um that's on the back of his
[48:50] his uh trailer there to put this thing
in um okay so how did it get to the
[48:56] other side though with a for foot
next no questions till the end question
[49:01] no questions till the end question shall
not be asked an answer work required
[49:05] before piles can be placed so we must
clear a path from the community garden
[49:09] to the bridge location all right um
there's we've looked there's a Spur that
[49:13] goes down and it' be a nice gentle path
um there's a tree across it right now
[49:17] that we'd have to cut up um it's already
down tree is down but we need to cut it
[49:22] up and so we'd have to trim a path okay
and on
[49:28] the the other side um he won't be able
to drive down the path all the way there
[49:33] but we would just have to get access
from Wilson um to get him in through the
[49:38] side and there was a couple of places
where we thought he could get in okay
[49:43] okay
next nice okay so this is the um the
[49:49] cost um for a 4ft wide um Bridge with
the shipping and the files and
[49:57] everything um this is the best quote I
found but this came down $5,000 by going
[50:04] from 5 foot wide to 4 foot wide can I
can I ask a question do we know what the
[50:10] AA requirement is for a wheelchair go
through three okay to be ADA wheelchair
[50:18] right and's not ADA Compliant but well
yeah um next question is um do we did we
[50:26] ever find out what the budget was for
this bridge 18,000 in the in the um oh
[50:32] my God you're under budget what that's
that's was in the old bridge account
[50:37] Roland had so I've gotten um a couple of
quotes for like 25 and $335,000 and I
[50:44] got a reply from a company today saying
that um well we here's the price but U
[50:49] we're actually in Europe and it would
cost me 5,000 um pounds in order to ship
[50:56] it across the you know but I thanked him
for this time slow I thought I had
[51:00] looked at all of the companies some are
in Texas some in Pennsylvania I think
[51:04] this
currently one company's in Pennsylvania
[51:08] okay all right next I don't know if I
have too much
[51:11] more
okay
[51:16] um so that that was my final opinion you
know so if it's going to cost less than
[51:21] 14 Grand probably um and you know it's
it's properly constructed we do get to
[51:28] build something you know we're going to
put the whole thing together so there is
[51:31] some satisfaction of building something
um but uh I think it's the best
[51:37] engineered easiest to install solution
and it and it might work does that come
[51:42] with the railing that comes with the
railing yes good yeah any other um
[51:47] hidden cost
that I'm talking hundreds of dollars I'm
[51:52] talking any anything that's going to pop
up that's going to be so to three
[51:57] grand not that I can imagine I you know
I will go through it again if we
[52:03] actually going to what kind of tools
would you need just regular tools that
[52:07] you have already to put it together yeah
so you need wrenches so it's it's just
[52:12] um a bunch of bolts it's like the Ikea
stuff it comes with it yeah I mean so we
[52:18] can use a screw gun to put together we
just make sure the the torque settings
[52:22] aren't just set it right aren't too hard
spec um
[52:27] and you know the ramps you know we might
need to construct maybe a small ramp on
[52:33] either side to build it up if we
couldn't get proper grading yes yeah so
[52:39] that's that's the only and I didn't
we're not ordering one of those so we
[52:42] could make wood ones you know to to do
that you know is there any um well I had
[52:48] a couple questions quick hitters uh the
beam that goes across that's 25 ft does
[52:53] that come shipped as a 25 foot beam no
it gets
[52:56] it gets plated together it's multiple
beams M like eight Footers that we kind
[53:01] of stagger yes all right so it's it's
not it's not straight across right it's
[53:05] going to have no no it's straight no
it's straight it is straight yeah option
[53:09] one was the arch AR yeah so this above
the water are you then that was my
[53:14] second question um what is can we can we
go up at with the screwing thing can we
[53:21] raise the bridge by a foot or something
he said with the piling you can go up
[53:25] about a foot or so you know do add to
your share um yeah yeah yeah yeah so um
[53:32] but he said yes you could do that
because in the one of the in the higher
[53:36] location that was going to be required
in order for us to put um the bridge in
[53:40] but so yes and where we are go that but
picture it's got a fairly decent Bank
[53:47] there um it's pretty level on the side
the on on the yeah right there on the
[53:53] side where I am um where the picture is
taken from you're quite above the high
[53:57] water mark and I think we're going to be
pretty good above the high water mark
[54:02] there yeah I'm concerned about flooding
and the the force on the bridge yep yeah
[54:06] so if we raise it just a little bit I
think we're we'll be pretty good yeah
[54:11] the the the water right now is about a
foot below what the high water mark was
[54:15] there it it was still pretty pretty high
there and those big trees protect would
[54:19] protect the bridge somewhat on that
further side yeah until trees are
[54:27] downam am iow to ask question yes okay
uh so actually just talking about that
[54:33] you know the trees protecting the bridge
and stuff like that I don't know if this
[54:36] kind of like a question SL maybe food
for thought but is there any like
[54:40] environmental permitting as far as like
uh stream bank erosion because you're
[54:45] talking about removing trees well we're
not removing them well well I thought
[54:49] that was said earlier we're going we're
going to we might take the the one
[54:54] that's partially dead just cut it off
we're not going to pull take the root
[54:57] system you can't pull the stump I do
know that Shand
[55:05] protection yeah comply that yeah and
that's why you know we're not putting in
[55:10] those you know we're not going to dig up
and put the concrete in we're just going
[55:13] to be placing the piles okay and he's
the pile guy said as long as he wasn't
[55:18] in the water that he was fine with
putting the piles outside of the water
[55:23] cool question anybody else got anything
where's the pile guy from the guy that
[55:28] does Sal and this other company serves
um I can't remember the name of it um uh
[55:34] New Hampshire and mass might be Erikson
or something like that I wondered about
[55:38] Ericson yeah okay uh next next steps so
what are you thinking so I you know
[55:45] since we're spending this money um I'm
trying to get three quotes I've gotten
[55:50] two Bridge crots already maybe three
bridge crots and I'm trying to get my
[55:55] second
um pile quote and did you hear anything
[56:00] from the state I emailed them yeah I
emailed last time right after we got out
[56:06] of the last meeting and I never heard
anything back Trails Bureau yeah I sent
[56:10] an email to the trails Bureau and did
not heal back and I believe their
[56:14] bridges are they're either telephone
pole trusses or um um steel ey beams is
[56:22] that what pum used that those were um
Telephone PS Trust did you ever get in
[56:27] touch with P Jay uh no I did not either
no cuz they the ones I'll an email just
[56:33] to see cuz that was a really well-made
bridge I do think that those were cement
[56:39] footings so but I don't know if they're
different than what you said shouldn't
[56:43] be done um but that's a really I think I
sent you the video I sent you the video
[56:48] it's over pretty high and it's pretty
far but George's point about it being
[56:52] engineered I think is the most that's
probably it won't a ro
[56:56] well or certified someone's got to or
stamp this we send the whole job out to
[57:04] bid and some construction company does
everything yeah and I
[57:09] think from the prices that I've seen
yeah yeah right so okay um cool so maybe
[57:18] so the next steps like we'd have to firm
up everything that you've got it looks
[57:22] like it's like 90% of the way here we
would at some point need to talk to The
[57:28] Agrarian trust because it is their
property and even though it says we can
[57:31] put bridges on there we probably would
need to make sure that happens and then
[57:36] if we get super duper serious it's
actually in our lease to put those it is
[57:41] it's in our lease I have our lease right
here and it is in our lease to add those
[57:45] bridges but we should contact them and
then as we get super duper serious we
[57:48] have to go to the board of Selectmen
right and I you have to do your travel
[57:52] and Road Show there right and but I
could give them this and I'd have I
[57:57] could give all the prices all the bids
and I I'm putting all of the bids in in
[58:02] that folder okay so um it can be all
there and we could just give them a link
[58:07] and they can you know go and see it all
any um two for one specials just out of
[58:14] curiosity you we bought two
Bridges I'm thinking no but so what
[58:20] about the cost of the sh put the second
one so so you want another site down
[58:25] down
two in there so two Bridges where you
[58:30] create a loop you say you got four extra
K
[58:33] right yeah we have
18,000 I I see where you're going um I
[58:39] would Pro we have to go I'll have to
take a look at possible Bridge sites and
[58:43] see if we can get a shorter one there
would be a shorter one U Matt and I or
[58:48] yeah yeah yeah one one around the corner
but let's cross that bridge when we get
[58:52] there or or we could go if you wanted we
could go to a three foot wide Bridge
[58:57] which would be you know cheaper as well
so we could do two three Footers um so
[59:03] that's we could
also I don't know if we could squeeze it
[59:07] in but it's something worth looking at
but you have the the pile guy I mean you
[59:13] you could
probably make your own footings and save
[59:19] 3,000 yeah but there there's liability
yeah right you're saying youve liability
[59:25] part oh you could dig it out and put a a
footer in there yes that's how how I see
[59:31] most of the bridges done but yeah okay
not suggesting that but just like if
[59:37] there's a if there's a way we I I am not
digging anything for a while okay you
[59:41] can dig a dig Lefty so what do you want
The letteror Agrarian to say that we're
[59:47] considering putting a a bridge uh for
what excuse me for agrarian do you want
[59:51] to wait on that uh I yeah I think we
should wait on that just for a little
[59:56] bit okay so maybe we can just take one
last quick look at it and then next
[1:00:03] month kind of make a decision and then
start moving forward yeah I mean it'd be
[1:00:08] great if we could George wants to get
this done this year that's George I
[1:00:11] thought it was a stretch goal no I mean
I originally was trying to get this done
[1:00:17] for the fishing derby and that's a
stretch that's not going to happen but
[1:00:21] that is not going to happen but you know
I you got have goals okay I'm good
[1:00:26] anybody else got any questions nice job
my concern on the bridge
[1:00:33] is erosion because uh every year we lose
trees because they you know the soil
[1:00:43] gets washed away how far over would
the these piles be so there they're
[1:00:50] going to be um I don't know exactly so I
haven't gone in we've just done rough
[1:00:57] calculations with a tape measure we
didn't so I'd have to go um put like a
[1:01:02] 25t do it for for sure we got probably
at least three feet on we're at least
[1:01:08] three feet off the bank you can see the
tape measure yeah so we're 3et off the
[1:01:12] BR bank I think both that okay based on
the high water
[1:01:18] situation one of them looks like that
would be flooded out no it wasn't cuz we
[1:01:23] it's very clear where the high water
mark was that that's what I saying the
[1:01:27] the stream in that picture was only like
a foot below the high water mark and and
[1:01:31] and Harry these These are 7t deep poles
that go into the ground so it's a it's a
[1:01:38] 3-in pole that's augured 7 feet down or
as far as he can go you know um so it
[1:01:44] would take quite a bit to erode that 7
foot pole I think fooling with Mother
[1:01:50] Nature you know true true yep I
mean
[1:01:57] I don't know it's a lot of things could
happen so no it it the flooding is a big
[1:02:02] concern and the force of the water so
I'm more concerned about the force on
[1:02:06] the water that's why I like the arch one
you at least had yes a little bit more
[1:02:12] clearance yeah but I I
think if we're up I mean we're going to
[1:02:16] be above at least 2 feet above the high
water Market down sticking up on top of
[1:02:22] I think it's worth talking to out who
did theirs it's a really nice Bridge um
[1:02:28] it's over an area similar to that it's
up a little
[1:02:32] higher um I think it's at least worth
talking to them about who did it right
[1:02:37] and how much were you going to hit me
with that yeah so I almost took the gav
[1:02:41] out because there's too much going on
yeah so I I do have this solution right
[1:02:44] if we find another solution that works
that's fine do you know what I mean I
[1:02:48] I'm not I'm not married to this but out
of all my research it looks the decking
[1:02:54] on this is a non-slip Sur is that what
you said right it's engineered it's like
[1:02:59] TRX type material but it's I it's semi-
textured I believe okay cool but if we
[1:03:06] did that one big one and then maybe did
a smaller one that was like pelum if we
[1:03:10] could find out pelum did it cheaper or
put put a rope swing across the other
[1:03:15] spot okay could we maybe a zip line all
right uh thank you George so we're
[1:03:20] moving forward yes we are see all right
let's if I get out of this all right
[1:03:25] right back to the agenda fishing derby
update once guest George okay so um I
[1:03:31] did reach out to um fishing game and
they have not granted us uh the
[1:03:37] application yet and I think it's Vicky I
said Vicky what's what's up you know
[1:03:42] how's it going and she said well I'm
really busy this time of year and I'm
[1:03:45] working on April and you aren't until
May I said okay I'm just checking um so
[1:03:50] I guess this is a busy time of year um
yeah dealing with those guys you're just
[1:03:55] got to be patient yeah well I applied
for the ice fishing derby one and I got
[1:03:59] it back in a couple weeks so I just
wanted and she did check with me um
[1:04:05] after I submitted the application I said
that we did not want it publicized and
[1:04:08] she wanted to know why um and I told her
that it was you know for the kids in
[1:04:13] town and that we only have a a small
area and I said we're not going to turn
[1:04:17] away anybody that comes from out of town
but you know we have a limited budget
[1:04:21] we've been doing this for years blah
blah blah so you know I would more wor
[1:04:25] about the permit because it's the same
place that we've had it for the last I
[1:04:31] don't think they're not going to come in
with helicopters and you know fish
[1:04:34] biologists coming out of the woods to
shut us down be Fishers so I even if
[1:04:41] they don't come back to us I didn't say
that in a public form but you know we
[1:04:46] should be fine it's your permit to
release fish so oh you need it that's
[1:04:51] fine all right good uh George remind us
date and time
[1:04:56] uh May the Youth Fishing Derby May 18th
May 18th what was the time 8:
[1:05:03] a.m. oh you what time 8 to 11 8 to
11 yeah so I guess we're going to need
[1:05:10] to well as we get closer maybe um we'll
we'll um start with the media blitz cool
[1:05:17] and the 17th you have to camp out there
to guard the
[1:05:20] fish that's Harry's job you
T what your job is to camp out and fend
[1:05:26] off
the you and Jeff have usual don't worry
[1:05:30] we we'll take care of that I don't think
Jeff right we we we had that
[1:05:36] conversation with several people the
second year okay all right we good on
[1:05:42] the fishing derby yeah and I you know
I'm going to be buying some supplies
[1:05:47] closer to it oh I went through all of
the uh rods and reels did I tell you
[1:05:51] last time so I went through all the rods
and reels um tied on all new hooks put
[1:05:55] on B bers and whatnot and so I think we
have I don't know 15 or so L of reels
[1:06:01] all right I think I've got a handful of
my garage that we bought last year that
[1:06:06] we never ended up using the kids little
Zebco ones
[1:06:09] yeah if you have more you can drop them
off and I can yep tun them
[1:06:15] up um cool all right next on the agenda
community garden update George nope I
[1:06:22] got it I don't have cool slides though
yeah we have our first um official
[1:06:27] meeting we've had a few at the Garden
but this was our first official meeting
[1:06:31] and we invited um everybody to come to
it we had eight people here and three um
[1:06:37] members thank you Matt and for showing
up for that and we got two new gardeners
[1:06:43] so we went from three five we have lost
one I think we're at eight gardeners
[1:06:51] have another one oo nice very happy
significant other
[1:06:56] fantastic so so you're saying went
through we'll have eight folks planting
[1:07:01] in the garden this year yep and I also
um asked for a volunteer to man The
[1:07:06] plots and hand them out at the Garden
and Denise McHugh is wonderful she did
[1:07:11] our first really goodlook um uh plot
she's got I'm perplexed can you restate
[1:07:18] that what does that mean yeah what do so
we have plots that the people plant in
[1:07:23] right and because Denise is down down
there she's going to be giving out those
[1:07:27] plots to the people that that come in
assign assign assign the plot assign the
[1:07:31] plots assign location no so the people
know where to plot to plant other than
[1:07:36] that
they size or how much size they need or
[1:07:40] how there's there's halves and fulls
okay available right now so um we have
[1:07:45] three more fulls that are available for
what I had plowed last year um and then
[1:07:50] we'll have to think about what we're
going to do if we're going to bring them
[1:07:52] out further if we want to do you know 10
more or whatever we want to do so we
[1:07:57] have three that are open right now how
big are the fs do you know excuse me how
[1:08:02] big are they full plot I think it's 10 x
20 is the full oh they're bigger they're
[1:08:07] bigger than that aren't they water 10 by
20 are they bigger than 10 no they're
[1:08:11] bigger than 20 think so bigger than 20
they're pretty big those go back on 30
[1:08:15] that's pretty big
they're almost 20 by 30 20 by 30 okay
[1:08:21] it's like a farm no it's a foot right
are you I'm sure you're going to give an
[1:08:25] up are you going to is somebody coming
to um Roa till so I'm going to get
[1:08:29] through that sure um yep so that was one
of the
[1:08:33] uh I I I deserve it George go ahead keep
them coming keep do that um we did also
[1:08:39] have um a new person command Mr mcgibbon
um it's a very K with a K MC K mcgibbon
[1:08:47] KBB McKibbon McKibben yeah McKibben Mr
McKibben came in thank you he happens to
[1:08:53] be married to one of the people on the
conserv ation commission however he um
[1:08:57] he has a lot of good in information he's
going to be taking on irrigation so we
[1:09:02] have Denise taking care of the plot
assignments we have um Mr M kibbon
[1:09:07] talking about the irrigation and getting
that set up he found a pump which I had
[1:09:12] offered to buy and now no longer have to
um we had um Everybody signed a lvi
[1:09:19] community gardens code of conduct which
was something that was attached to the
[1:09:22] lease that we needed to do can you grow
weed in the garden
[1:09:26] um at this point it doesn't say
specifically no it would have to be
[1:09:31] legalized and I would say probably not
though I think it would get us a lot
[1:09:35] more attention than we really want weed
um but we are going to be planting peas
[1:09:39] and oats um that is a suggestion by Mr
McKibben they're in my house John from
[1:09:45] Johnny selected seats okay so um he's a
he's a very good member we had sponsors
[1:09:50] um show up
um rockula fort from proscapes came he's
[1:09:56] going to be putting in a center garden
and um Mike from chick Farm woodworking
[1:10:01] is going to be putting in the swing set
um hopefully soon when he gets a little
[1:10:06] bit of downtime so the community garden
is going along really well we've got
[1:10:10] I've got some help there which is really
nice cool um and then because I'm not on
[1:10:14] for other that's not the only committee
meeting I was at the economic
[1:10:17] development committee meeting yeah
that's on here too I'll just hold on
[1:10:21] Dian any any questions on the community
garden I've got one okay irrigation so
[1:10:28] he's got a pump what's your water source
um the creek big white thing oh oh so no
[1:10:36] but no we're going to be bringing water
into the into there and then there so
[1:10:41] you're going to be filling up the big
tank and then you're going to irrigate
[1:10:44] from the tank to the okay what what kind
of a pump does he have drn is it like
[1:10:49] said it was a um I I thought he found a
pump on the unit didn't there is a pump
[1:10:54] on the we were going to try to work on
that to fix it up so I think that's what
[1:10:59] he's talking about okay
okay okay all right so I wasn't sure if
[1:11:05] it was IR when you said irrigation I
thought it was you know like a hose or
[1:11:09] hoses in in the it's going to go into
the G he does yep so we were he's he's
[1:11:17] great to have on the on the committee so
there's actually two little there's a uh
[1:11:22] there's the pump that normon gave us
with the
[1:11:25] whatever you want to call it with the
tank you know and then there's
[1:11:30] another tank that was given to us that
was dropped off there you know you could
[1:11:35] almost have a two pump system where that
could be raised above hydraulic grade
[1:11:40] line you could actually put on P put on
drip irrigation and then when it gets
[1:11:45] low it would kick on the pump fill up
tank one push up the tank too distribute
[1:11:51] down I got this if we get a dry summer
they're they're kind of in trouble over
[1:11:56] there we have to have something better
yeah I we we'll get it get it going mik
[1:12:02] Brandon it's work on the
pump the gas pump to fill up the big
[1:12:08] tank we're going to make sure that okay
you guys are awesome I don't
[1:12:13] know appreciate four items from the
meeting oh from the community action
[1:12:21] items the uh blueberry bushes I Trimm
those
[1:12:25] took down the wire fence in the front of
the lot in the
[1:12:29] post um stained all the picnic tables
you did yeah with a gallon of uh stain
[1:12:38] and found the irrigation line that's
located for the garden that was there
[1:12:43] from years before yeah so I showed these
guys where that was so we know where the
[1:12:49] pipe is that goes into the stream oh my
God now we just have to work on hitch
[1:12:55] hitching it up and oh my God
awesome yeah it looks good there did the
[1:13:01] tables look really really good yeah it
does thank you a star thank
[1:13:06] you cool any other questions on the
community garden got a a lot a lot going
[1:13:12] on here John so we will have to figure
out where to make that path down to the
[1:13:18] to the bridge cut the fence and and make
the fence let me know when you want I'll
[1:13:22] meet you down did you go to that Garden
meeting yes
[1:13:25] yep that's why I got action
[1:13:30] item all right I had a question on the
fence yes can we I took it to upon
[1:13:36] myself to cut the fence with the bolt
cutters I don't care and we're going to
[1:13:41] need to cut the fence in the for the
bridge and we're also going to need to
[1:13:46] cut the fence for the irrigation system
so is that that's okay okay good mhm
[1:13:55] good on that all right Diane quick
overview of the economic development
[1:14:01] thing okay yeah so that was another
another meeting this month um for me was
[1:14:05] the economic development committee
meeting and how it pertains to
[1:14:10] conservation anything else before I
start or no okay um so I sent everybody
[1:14:16] the 2024 town of litfield Economic
Development survey results that we got
[1:14:21] um I spent four hours as did two of the
other members and at three of the other
[1:14:26] members at the polls getting responses
back on this we had I believe
[1:14:32] 1,153 respondents a lot of those came
from the um the polls which was amazing
[1:14:39] to have that many responces um it
pertains to conservation because it
[1:14:45] asked whether or not people wanted open
space or if they wanted Economic
[1:14:49] Development or if they want what they
wanted um so Jay's highlighted one of
[1:14:54] the Pages
here yeah if you if you look over on the
[1:15:00] right hand
side um the three large columns over
[1:15:06] there I think this is all of the
respondents these are some of the
[1:15:11] critical things that they they picked uh
preserve agriculture was up there I
[1:15:16] think probably in the top looks like
three or four preserve Open Spaces up
[1:15:21] there which which question was this
protect drinking water one of the most
[1:15:25] important issues that should be
addressed in the town of Whitfield over
[1:15:28] the next five years that's control tax
increases was number one so it looks
[1:15:32] like control tax increase number one
drinking water number two preserve
[1:15:37] agricultural number
three and it looks like a track new
[1:15:42] business and open
space are up there as well
[1:15:48] for control tax increases 54 that was
the
[1:15:53] highest so where does it go from from
here so from here there's going to be
[1:15:58] another meeting um that we're supposed
to have um to start focusing but we're
[1:16:04] not having that meeting in May it's been
cancelled uh April rather it's been
[1:16:09] canceled until May so that's where we're
going next on that you know what date
[1:16:15] you sent sent those today today I sent
it today yeah this it's also on the the
[1:16:20] town website it yeah but I just sent it
to everybody so they would have the one
[1:16:23] question I the one thing that confuses
me as if you look at it control tax
[1:16:28] taxes and conservation and agriculture
they they're Polar Opposites because the
[1:16:33] more conservation we take out of the tax
Dole taxes are going to go up taxes open
[1:16:38] land doesn't cost you anything has cost
you it doesn't cost anything but if you
[1:16:42] take it away from some other development
that could bring taxes in it does cost
[1:16:46] but if you keep it as Farmland it's it's
well current use probably in current use
[1:16:50] right if you can the most expensive
thing to put in is housing the most
[1:16:54] expensive thing that's something that's
Demand on the services yes we agree with
[1:16:57] that yeah been confused control tax part
that gets me it's like I don't know how
[1:17:02] you you want businesses but we don't
we're we're locking up land we can't
[1:17:06] build business businesses and then you
got tax said control
[1:17:11] taxes you know so that's like you could
look at that a couple of different ways
[1:17:15] we've done like a lot of research on
this I have looked at I would probably
[1:17:21] say 20 studies over the past couple
years about um cost for
[1:17:26] service community service study and
really really interesting I'll send it
[1:17:31] around to the to the crew uh but the
long and the short of it is is take a
[1:17:36] guess how much on average residential
property cost the taxpayer for every
[1:17:42] dollar of taxes
collected Harry for every dollar
[1:17:48] collected in taxes from a house on
residential property particularly um I
[1:17:53] think I read a single family
what is it cost of it saves the town $9
[1:18:03] no13 cost cost us cost res residential
property you get a dollar in taxes from
[1:18:10] the residents A113 is going out that's
where all the kids are if you look at um
[1:18:15] commercial it ends up dropping to like 4
cents dollar coming in 40 cents going
[1:18:22] out so you're getting you're making
money you're losing money on residents
[1:18:27] you're gaining money on um on commercial
or industrial I then went and did a ton
[1:18:33] of research on breaking down the
residential piece and this I found only
[1:18:40] two studies that figure that had this
outlined and when you break down the
[1:18:45] residential piece single family is by
far like actually condos three-bedroom
[1:18:50] condos and four bedroom condos I think
are the the biggest
[1:18:55] impact to the taxpayer negative impact
single family negative impact when you
[1:19:01] get down to two bedroom apartments in
one-bedroom apartments it tilts in the
[1:19:05] favor of the town over those kids
because they don't have kids it puts you
[1:19:10] in the posit um I'll send that stuff
around but I looked at many studies and
[1:19:17] I looked at unless you're looking at
over 55 communities I didn't see any
[1:19:21] over over 55s on there but
probably a hundred communities I looked
[1:19:27] at I found a table of a 100 communities
where they did these surveys zero had a
[1:19:34] positive impact on single family
residential zero zero it was wendam just
[1:19:39] did one a couple years ago do six to the
dollar and I think it was Sandown uh
[1:19:45] their study was like a121 going out to
every dollar coming in so yeah yeah
[1:19:51] probably the smaller so commercials
better is what way better right so where
[1:19:54] do you put the commercial in this town
north and south y we that's the only
[1:19:58] location we have and I think that's
that's part of the challenge but we have
[1:20:02] land north and south that hasn't been
built yet either so really it is I mean
[1:20:06] there's there we tried to have Baron's
Warehouse come in federal the state of
[1:20:12] the federal came in and stopped that if
I had the federal made it prohibitive
[1:20:16] for them to do it and they only had the
one curb cut yeah they would had to
[1:20:20] share a driveway with St Francis so the
state has has impacted as well putting
[1:20:26] in businesses yep agree so to say let's
take the area that we're currently
[1:20:31] protected and say let's go there we
haven't even finished taking care of the
[1:20:35] land that we have on North and
South it's tough yeah I agree with the
[1:20:41] the the comments though it's like we
want to protect agricultural character
[1:20:46] but we also want to increase the tax Bas
so it seems like it's just in Conflict
[1:20:50] but it's what I said when we started
that's why you guys have your committee
[1:20:53] it is and when it when we were in the
committee and when we started it was
[1:20:56] agricultural businesses if you could do
that I don't know how much tax impact
[1:21:00] they have for bringing back to the
community but if you could get you know
[1:21:03] some Farm totable restaurants pass
possibly in that actually grew some
[1:21:08] things that used normanton Farms um cows
and pigs and and chickens and stuff and
[1:21:14] and grew problem is is those like don't
move the needle I don't yeah they don't
[1:21:19] move the needle what's going to move the
needle is an Amazon warehouse in a lower
[1:21:25] registrations and kind of light use of
property would be the what move the
[1:21:28] needle we just um they're clearing three
lots up up of the North End AC Crosser
[1:21:33] Ms three commercial Lots one's going to
be a multi multi um use a house in the
[1:21:38] front and a warehouse in the back so
that's something that's that's an
[1:21:42] existing business in town already that's
going to be moving it's my understanding
[1:21:47] Joel It's Joel Jon his daughter yeah and
then the other one there's a bing
[1:21:52] company that's interested in the other
lot another lot coming from out town in
[1:21:55] the old sand pit there yep yeah right
across from
[1:21:59] Val uh and there's you know that's where
the lots are that the owner up there was
[1:22:04] interested in doing something it just
has to be permitted so we have any other
[1:22:08] questions on that um the other meeting
that I went to this month was the Lowa
[1:22:13] memac River Local advisory committee
meeting um and it was interesting
[1:22:18] because what you were just talking about
appeared on there's the a they needed an
[1:22:21] aot permit um for alteration of terrain
for the sand pit um not quite sure why
[1:22:29] they really needed to be there it's
nowhere near the disturbing more than
[1:22:32] 100,000
square but this is yeah this is the
[1:22:36] River Local advisory committee so but
they were there and then there was
[1:22:40] somebody there um it was very
interesting to hear how meramac
[1:22:44] discusses their commercial waivers as
opposed to how we do I mean they have so
[1:22:51] much commercial building over there that
they're you know they're happy to have
[1:22:54] scrub in between the river and and the
concrete for the parking lots and stuff
[1:22:59] it's it's way different than what we
look at and how much how much area we're
[1:23:04] putting between our River and and the
commercial accounts that of come in so
[1:23:09] far so that's the end of what my busy
week is like busy month all right I
[1:23:14] think we're we're moving on we're going
to do this real quick and this is
[1:23:18] primarily for John uh goals for 2024 so
each year we we set goals and um and
[1:23:25] then we try our best to achieve those
goals and we set these goals for 2024
[1:23:30] they're up in our portal
actually a directory for them but we've
[1:23:36] got about I don't know a dozen things on
here on this list so we're going to try
[1:23:41] to try to go through these this year is
that bat house the same bat house we've
[1:23:45] had around Big B house unfortunately no
it's actually got a home now though
[1:23:49] right right will well that will be up
this year that was a mosquito control
[1:23:53] district purchase I believe if I it's
sitting in the fire
[1:23:57] station I used to move it out of the
room in the back over here I couldn't
[1:24:01] believe how heavy it is so that's going
finally yes it's going into the garden I
[1:24:06] want to dance you want
to going into the garden shut up awesome
[1:24:11] get so much grief over let's moving on
so that's
[1:24:17] that last year we were pretty good on
our goals we really I think we hit just
[1:24:21] about every single one of them so nice
rounding out other business property
[1:24:26] checks Property Maintenance anybody got
anything oh I went to um only for trail
[1:24:34] found a pair of glasses shouldn't have
put it on Facebook looks good looks good
[1:24:39] yeah it's got one log over the like the
handicap access
[1:24:43] but and you had to go that way because
the first time I went the that little
[1:24:47] Gully was full of water so that was good
that Matt made that little
[1:24:52] U-turn that bridge was going to cost
2000 if I remember too yeah it was only
[1:24:56] like a four foot Bridge really yeah it
was four planks did anybody check on the
[1:25:01] um the camera no I didn't got
go bother it there was a bunch of ducks
[1:25:07] out there nice looking ducks anybody
else I think oh you go to the I sent a
[1:25:13] PCT the picture after you went to the
River Landing yeah I I did the tour I
[1:25:19] yeah I saw that I did U well we did
Parker Park the community garden uh mors
[1:25:26] Falls I didn't walk the whole Trail but
I I went down to the bottom and came
[1:25:31] back up the main trail and then um the
muster field looks good and the river
[1:25:37] access you saw probably saw that report
I did go look at the river axis and I
[1:25:41] looked at that leaner and I'm pretty
sure we can take that out um so I've got
[1:25:47] a plan one closer to the river what the
one closest to the river okay it yeah
[1:25:51] around
the does a dog a little bit of a dog leg
[1:25:56] um yeah it's a the Widowmaker you think
we can take that out so just with a a
[1:26:02] rope to a vehicle and um if we use the
ge's left hand cut I really don't think
[1:26:09] we should talk about this on camera
anymore all right we're done no but
[1:26:14] seriously it it it doesn't look that
tough um we could also see if Highway
[1:26:20] can take care of it if if highway just
was I caught up
[1:26:26] C right so if we if we cut it at the
bottom and tie it to my truck we pull it
[1:26:31] out of the pull it out of the you know
no one will be near it when we pull it
[1:26:35] out of that tree and then cut it
up I don't know I can show you my plan
[1:26:41] if we okay okay all right I'll walk we
should do that cuz it is kind of uh it's
[1:26:46] it's hanging over the
trail we'll see if it's still up after
[1:26:49] this past
storm um all right moving on quickly
[1:26:56] hopefully member input we'll go this way
Mr Brunell anything nothing thank you
[1:27:01] George
okay Fred no you got all mine on
[1:27:07] the well the other thing was we I went
down and with George and we looked for
[1:27:12] the area to put up the fish
netting that may be something that Rob
[1:27:18] could help us
with because we've had problems in the
[1:27:22] past trying to keep those fish in the
Stream theyve floated down to marac
[1:27:28] during the fishing derby yeah there are
so we're trying to keep contain as best
[1:27:33] as possible yeah I think I think we got
a good good spot yeah spot now so but it
[1:27:38] be it'd be helpful if you want yeah we
could use our expertise yeah so we're
[1:27:42] going to get um a total of 400 fish
delivered 200 from a fish farm and then
[1:27:47] the state is going to match 200 and so
we want to keep them in a confined area
[1:27:52] for the duration of the Derby if
possible so and we we have a a plan
[1:27:58] maybe George has a plan but I I can run
buy take a look at your yeah
[1:28:05] thanks I don't have a PowerPoint for
that
[1:28:08] though yet Joan yes I do have a hard
copy of the Third Edition of Burnal
[1:28:16] pools a lot of good information in here
uh I did go out to taller go drive March
[1:28:22] 14th recorded wood frogs talk to Reggie
moo and his Wetland scientist Bruce
[1:28:29] gild
[1:28:33] um I I'm convinced it's a Vernal pool
has to have water three to five months
[1:28:38] to have the egg masses be viable
um I haven't heard back I talked to
[1:28:45] Reggie yesterday but I haven't heard
back from the sign just he was going to
[1:28:48] go back out there in April just I guess
check on egg masses but um wood frogs
[1:28:53] are most definitely indicated a species
of a veral pool and I'm sure they were
[1:28:58] wood frogs so so if they have egg masses
it counts as a Vernal pool well if they
[1:29:04] have wood they had wood frogs I have I
sent the scientist my recording of the
[1:29:08] wood frogs and I don't know if he's
debating whether they different kind of
[1:29:11] frogs but um and then I did oh I did
send a letter to um
[1:29:16] Dees about their permit and stating that
probable Vernal pool and that they
[1:29:24] should fishing I want fishing game to
tell us do they want open bottom covers
[1:29:29] or the 40 foot span of
CT um and I also added that in the aot
[1:29:36] report of theirs they have the property
is ringed with rare turtles so I'm
[1:29:44] pretty sure that turtles will be using
that veral pool he the scientist called
[1:29:48] it a red maple swamp well it can be a
red maple swamp and a veral pool so
[1:29:53] things are still up in the air how will
that affect them Vernal pool needs 200t
[1:29:58] buffer so obviously they don't want it
to be a Vernal
[1:30:02] pool as opposed to a 50 foot buffer is
that on is that one lot that would take
[1:30:08] out multiple Lots 200t nondisturbed
yes oh that blows them out of the water
[1:30:14] MTI pools next to each other within that
200 buffer then that buffer extends well
[1:30:20] it's one one it's one large one it is
how many Lots would it blow out no I'm
[1:30:25] saying if there's another buffer if
there's another veral pool that's
[1:30:28] located within that buffer of 200 then
it extends
[1:30:32] out
they it goes past we've never had um the
[1:30:39] 200t buffer um applied by anyone
but and I'm sure that the Wetland
[1:30:45] scientist doesn't want to be proven that
he was wrong but I'll stick to my
[1:30:52] guns Happ
you Diane what you I have
[1:30:58] nothing um just so you know the uh at
the planning board meeting the other
[1:31:03] night we had um a consultant come in to
talk us about the ms4 permitting
[1:31:10] process um I know Miss Kleiner mentioned
it at the meeting um I think this is a
[1:31:15] process that um I think has to involve
not just the planning board but planning
[1:31:23] conservation zoning a whole different
group of people um looking at this um
[1:31:31] because it's so
comprehensive um and and with
[1:31:37] um putting together our
regulations um it might be a good idea
[1:31:42] maybe at some point for the Conservation
Commission to get a copy of those um
[1:31:48] regulations and make recom maybe make
recommendations if you guys see anything
[1:31:53] that would be of interest but I think
having the conversation between
[1:31:58] everybody being in communication on the
same page is going to be key to the
[1:32:02] success of of ms4 in Richfield um it's
um it's a big
[1:32:08] undertaking
um and I think having conservation
[1:32:15] planning zoning everybody and you know
the the um Highway Department everybody
[1:32:21] should at least be know what's going on
and communication wise and so at our
[1:32:28] next I think um we are going to be
talking about our next planning board
[1:32:32] meeting if anyone's interested from the
conservation to come to the meeting to
[1:32:36] learn about ms4 what day ises that M uh
I believe it's the um May I think May
[1:32:42] 7th 17 it's not it's not on the
[1:32:48] 16th you said it
23rd third it would be the 16th
[1:32:53] the 16th yeah but are we talking about
storm water on the 16th Mike I think we
[1:32:58] are I I think um we were going to talk
about a little bit so so do you want me
[1:33:03] to send the latest one that Kim just
sent out to everyone and it it's still
[1:33:07] not redlined so it's a little bit hard
to see yeah but I think we wanted it to
[1:33:12] be red lined so that I know but the one
she sent the day after the meeting's not
[1:33:17] yeah um so this is a process this is
going to be an ongoing process so but I
[1:33:22] think if we get participation from
conservation because it it is a thing to
[1:33:27] do with water quality and culverts and
things of that nature so there are some
[1:33:32] some issues that can be addressed so
that's just my um take on that
[1:33:39] so that's why Kim said she wanted to
know about anything that was happening
[1:33:43] with Dara as far as the milfoil and the
dees
[1:33:48] study so I'll have to keep that in
mind all right uh
[1:33:54] um are you going to shoot an email
regarding that I might be able to help
[1:33:58] out I I do like a lot of that stuff for
a living I can I can certainly send an
[1:34:02] email I can send you um a copy of the
the regulations that were proposed or
[1:34:10] what was brought to us at the planning
board if you want to take a look at
[1:34:13] those um yeah we we can definitely use
um your input on that all right cool
[1:34:20] Harry nothing Matt H no nothing
uh I've got nothing either look at the
[1:34:27] minutes anybody
else uh approval of minutes then we'll
[1:34:30] get to election of officers and we'll be
out of here so or not quite but uh
[1:34:35] approval of minutes any everybody
anybody get a chance to look at them I
[1:34:40] did I thought they look good yeah I
looked at them they're fine that was
[1:34:44] March yeah so let me just get the date
hold on a second do you anybody have
[1:34:50] that yeah March 26 7 March
[1:34:58] 7th March 7th
minutes I anybody want to make a motion
[1:35:03] so
moved got a motion by Diane to approve
[1:35:07] the March 7th 2024 meeting minutes
second motion by Diane seconded by Harry
[1:35:14] all those in favor say I I oppos motion
carries seven no no motion carries
[1:35:21] 601 601 with Mr Brunell
abstaining all right that's that
[1:35:28] election of officers okay so now we this
is the first meeting after the board of
[1:35:34] Selectmen made their appointments in
March so we have to elect
[1:35:39] officers per the uh bylaws we have three
positions chair Vice chair and secretary
[1:35:48] um as I stated last month I've been on
I've been the chair for two years
[1:35:54] I'm perfectly happy to give the chair up
and let somebody else do it I don't mind
[1:36:00] if if we're in a pinch and no one wants
to do it I'll do it again but I would
[1:36:03] actually prefer to give it up it's you
know takes a lot of time and so it's not
[1:36:08] uh for a year right
it's give up for saying for a year just
[1:36:13] I'm giving it up right now and let
somebody else take over I don't mind
[1:36:19] being the vice chair if I if uh want to
assist or the secretary or a regular
[1:36:25] member doesn't matter to me I'm I'm good
so we've got a go through the process to
[1:36:33] elect a chair I've done a lot of
research on this different boards do it
[1:36:37] different ways so we would need someone
to make before anybody shouts anything
[1:36:41] out we' need somebody to make a
nomination and then someone would need
[1:36:45] to second that nomination and then if
someone else wants to nominate somebody
[1:36:50] else they can do that at that given
point in time and I think that has to
[1:36:55] also be
seconded and then we would go through
[1:36:58] the voting process and we would vote for
candidate number one people raise their
[1:37:03] hands and then vote for candidate number
two raise their hands and whoever gets
[1:37:06] the most votes wins is
that Jo I I have one question I'm an
[1:37:13] alternate right friend's an alternate we
can't vote right and we so I mean we
[1:37:18] can't nominate either right right just
I'm just making sure
[1:37:22] that's that's true right and we can't
run and we can't run for we can't be
[1:37:28] nominated yes you could be nominated how
could they be nominated I'm not a voting
[1:37:32] member oh shoot you couldn't be
nominated I was nominated as a secretary
[1:37:36] before I was a member I was a a uh but
someone have to give up their full-time
[1:37:41] seat if that happens no they didn't they
didn't I was for two years oh yeah wow
[1:37:46] I'd go down to an
alternate all right think you got any
[1:37:50] ideas I'm still learning my way around
so on the on the chair so we would need
[1:37:58] a nomin I'm going to call for one in a
minute and call for nominations in a
[1:38:02] minute I'm not going to make any
nominations I'm not going to vote unless
[1:38:06] it's a
tie I would also like the people that
[1:38:10] are nominated the personal opinion to
vote for yourself if you want yourself
[1:38:16] to be the chair it can it can screw up
the vote at the end if one person
[1:38:22] abstains and another person doesn't
obain or something like that so I would
[1:38:26] personally just prefer just vote for
yourself instead of
[1:38:30] abstaining I I will tell you I'm going
tostain from the vote I I only know all
[1:38:35] you folks from what I watch you're the
better ones to pick who your leadership
[1:38:39] should be and I should be involved
sounds so so no one can fill I could go
[1:38:46] like you could go like this he could go
like
[1:38:50] that the right place we go I'm I'm going
to get my phone and take some pictures I
[1:38:55] will say this that I I put a lot of
thought into this and you know we do
[1:39:01] have term limit so I do I'm at the
two-year term limit so if if I did go
[1:39:06] for it it would have to be
100% um vote someone could Harry could
[1:39:11] say no and then it you know foils the
whole thing up but I truly believe that
[1:39:15] this crew that we have right now is
pretty darn good and we're kind of
[1:39:20] clicking on all cylinders everybody is
is is putting putting the work in
[1:39:25] putting the work in in between meetings
and things like that so I'm really
[1:39:29] confident you know that that we're good
I just want mind stepping aside if
[1:39:33] anybody wants to nominate me for vice
chair or nothing or or secretary I'm
[1:39:37] fine with doing that just wanted to take
a chill pill on the uh being the the
[1:39:42] chair for time
being it's a lot of time so with that I
[1:39:50] am going to open it up for nomination
for
[1:39:54] chair and then I will ask if there are
any other nominations and then we'll
[1:40:00] take the vote is that the way it works
it sounds good sure okay so I'll
[1:40:05] entertain a motion for chair I'd like to
nominate Matt as
[1:40:12] chair okay any second on that second
second all right so we have a
[1:40:20] mat okay do we have any any other
nominations for
[1:40:29] chair okay hearing none no other
nominations for
[1:40:34] chair we'll take a vote for all those in
favor of Matt being chair of the
[1:40:40] Lichfield Conservation Commission please
say I I I I motion passes 1 2 3 4 52
[1:40:54] I'll stain oh
okay how I'm going to recant my vote
[1:40:58] I'll vote
yeah 601 6 601 I was only going to not I
[1:41:04] was only going to mistay if there's
multiple people running 601
[1:41:09] congratulations Matt Matt actually now
you are the chair no no not till after
[1:41:14] the election keep keep going I can do
that all right nominations for hold on
[1:41:21] congratulations Matt thank you you get
the
[1:41:24] gabble I'll entertain a motion for vice
chair I'd like to nominate Jason as the
[1:41:31] vice chair okay all right I'll do it if
I'm elected
[1:41:36] second motion by Harry seconded by
Diane all those in favor say I I'll vote
[1:41:44] for myself I I I all those opposed all
those
[1:41:49] abstained abstained okay you forgot to
ask motion passes people for vice oh
[1:41:55] shoot anybody else for oh I think we
just all voted for you we're good 601
[1:42:00] it's
61 anybody so 601 hold on anybody else
[1:42:06] have any other nominations for vice
chair oh secretary I'd like to nominate
[1:42:13] Joan for
secretary I'll second
[1:42:17] it got a nomination for
Joan uh nominated by Diane seconded by
[1:42:23] Mr Coto Joan you good good okay all
those in favor say I I oppose abstain
[1:42:30] motion passes
601 all right congratulations everybody
[1:42:36] so we got Matt you got to take over the
Reigns for next meeting all right all
[1:42:40] right good uh next
meeting is May 2nd
[1:42:45] 2024 so mark your
calendars Matt I'll help you out you got
[1:42:50] to get together the stuff and yeah we'll
get we'll get rolling on it all right
[1:42:55] sounds good all right everybody good
good I'm good all
[1:42:59] right I was going to nominate Rob we
already did
[1:43:04] that chairman let's see I'll entertain
so we got to go into nonpublic for a
[1:43:09] couple minutes and everybody clear out
of the room so you got to leave for this
[1:43:12] one this time until after you get sworn
in I just heard it the other night who
[1:43:18] cooks for you huh who cooks for you I I
just heard it it was down at oh you
[1:43:26] still have we do also have we do also
have committees that are going to have
[1:43:31] to be taken over um we have the garden
committee we have the economic
[1:43:36] development committee and we have the
North River collaborative which we
[1:43:40] really don't need another person to
do all right those are committees that
[1:43:45] are going to be open should we do that
for this meeting or next meeting up to
[1:43:49] you anybody wants to think about it and
then come do for next meeting
[1:43:53] okay yeah put it on the agenda yep all
right I will uh I need to entertain a
[1:43:59] motion we need to go into non-public so
the meeting has ended for the public
[1:44:03] I'll entertain a motion to go into
non-public per RSA 91a colon 3D
[1:44:08] consideration of the
acquisition sale or lease of or lease of
[1:44:14] real or personal property I'll entertain
a motion to go and on public motion by
[1:44:19] Harry
seconded sorry you want me to hang out
[1:44:22] or no you got to yeah after we'll see
you after you go through the we'll see
[1:44:27] you when you come back nice to meet you
SEC motion by Harry was it motion by
[1:44:32] Harry yes seconded by second seconded by
Mr Coto roll call vote Matt yes Harry
[1:44:40] yes Michael Diane I'm a yes Joan yes yes
Mr berell yes motion passes 70 we are
[1:44:49] now in nonpublic thank you Lichfield
have a good night by
[1:44:54] all right now