We're going to call the the meeting to
order. Please rise for the pledge of
allegiance.
>> Sorry, you're good.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
Paul to the community. This is the time
for citizens who would like to address
the commission on any non-aggenda item.
Action taken as a result of public
comment will be limited to asking staff
to review the matter, asking that the
matter [clears throat] be put on a
future agenda, or responding to
criticism. We do have
Mrs. Beverly, Gary, I said it right. And
you guys are asking to discuss the speed
bumps on Wigwam Boulevard. So, the
podium is yours.
>> You can or I mean,
>> yes, please. So, we can hear you.
>> Okay, there you go.
» Okay. Hello. Good evening. My name is
Beverly Gary. Um, I work at Palbury
Nuclear Generating Station. We've been a
resident here in Lfield Park for over 25
years. I about a year ago requested to
have speed bumps installed on Wubon
Boulevard because the traffic is just
insane. We have a lot of kids that um
still go to school and I was I br I went
to the um
uh what's what's over here? the city
hall and asked inquired about it and I
was told that because of Wigwam
Boulevard or um the wigwam that we
weren't going to put
uh speed bumps in on Wong Boulevard.
However, if you go to Bird Lane, Bird
Lane has all of the um speed bumps and
things to slow traffic down. I think
Bbon Boulevard needs it. We have a lot
of our kids still going to school. We
have school um
school age kids everywhere. So I think
it's it is a um a good idea to put speed
bumps in and I would like to see that. I
go for a walk every morning and they fly
through there. There's not enough um
policing around to stop it. So I think
speed bumps would be a idea especially
just to keep our kids safe in the
neighborhood. Our kids are grown, but
they've grown up here and I think still
the kids need to be safe. So that's my ask. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Can ask a clarifying question.
>> I don't know if we're allowed to
We are Trish.
>> Yeah, that's a question. Yeah,
>> I would like to know the the area of
Wuan Boulevard that you're talking
about. Indian school all the way to um
what is it? Lfield road.
>> Okay.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> Um we have buses that fly through here.
We have cars that fly through here. It's
insane. And um I actually will drive
through and go 25 miles an hour and 50
miles an hour just to slow traffic down.
I will do that.
>> So um it it is needed. Absolutely. And
there is more traffic on Won Boulevard
than there is on Bird Lane. But Bird
Lane has those those uh speed arresters.
So I think our kids are more important
than anything else in this community.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> Questions I can answer.
>> Maybe you probably already explained
this is outside the purview of what we
oversee.
>> Oh, absolutely. Sure. We're not
>> I just had a question so I was willing
to answer it. I'm always willing to to
speak. So, yeah. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Community and Recreation Services
Monthly Report. Presenter Trisha Kramer,
Community and Recreation Services
Director.
>> Thank you, Chairman Teddy and
Commissioners. Uh the REC monthly report
is in your packet. Um, I'll go over a
couple of items. Uh, now that we're into
August, the rec center, um, the group
swim lessons and a lot of that, um,
programmed activity winds down. So, we
have expanded open swim hours. So,
weekdays from 3:00 to 9:00, Saturdays
10:00 to 7:00, and Sundays 1 to 7:00.
The pool is uh, still open, remains open
to the public until Labor Day. Um we
have uh very limited programming in the
pool right now. Water aerobics and some
one-on-one elite swim lessons. And
that's our usual um August programming.
Um the Odyssey swim team is back and
holding their uh swim practices and
their home meets. They started this week
and they'll be um using the pool again
uh through November.
and um
August water aerobics. I have in there
that there were six registrants. We
actually currently have uh 10
registrants. So that went up a little
bit since our uh written report went
out. Um we are showing Finding Nemo, our
final uh divein movie uh next Saturday
the 22nd. And so we sell those tickets
um online through Eventany. And also if
there are WECK members, they can uh stop
in and get complimentary passes to the
movie and uh tickets can be purchased
day of too if anyone is interested in
bringing their families out to that. Um
community services, our staff
participated in Lichfield Elementary
School's open house at the end of July.
Um, so that was a great way for us to
get out information on our fall
programming, our youth sports and events
and preschool. Um, so we had some good
interactions there.
As some of you were talking about before
the meeting, uh, Katitude Arts and their
teen mural team, who came out to present
to you at that last meeting, um,
completed their mural project on, uh,
the 31st, so it was done just in time
for that August 3rd, uh, ribbon cutting
for the library. So, if you haven't had
a chance to see it yet, I'd encourage
you to to go into the library, take a
look because um it was definitely done
with love and care by these teenagers
and I think they did take um your
feedback to heart and and um I think
they're proud of what they did and
hopefully the community will be too. Um,
on the note of artwork as well, our uh
next round of Ola uh letting our local
artists applications
opened in August uh last week or
actually two weeks now and applications
will be accepted through October 1st. Um
we had some feedback from you guys about
looking to see more amenities at Rose
Park. Um, so we did recommend that
whatever the new installation is that it
be put at Rose Park as just one amenity
to kind of get that process started.
>> So, uh, if you have any thoughts or
suggestions or would like to provide
input to whoever is selected, we'll keep
it on the path the same way we did when
we had Betsy come in. Um, so through
that process, we will continue to
include you guys to get your
recommendations.
Um, as we proceed,
um, preschool is off to a great start.
They've got, uh, 47, uh, little guys
running around and getting used to
making new friends and learning
classroom rules, all that good stuff.
So, Mâche and her team are are busy and
having a good time.
and um
special events is in those planning
stages where we're trying to lock down
vendors and contracts and and
advertising
um all of that fun stuff. Our real
events start in November. All those
bigger events, the Touch a Truck and
Fall Fest and Pat's Cornhole Tournament.
So, still doing a lot of the planning
and backend stuff. So, you may not see
anything in the open, but still a lot of
activity happening with respect to
events. Um, also, Millennium High School
is um putting on their parade on
September 19th. They just got their
approval last night through the council
meeting to move forward with that. So,
we look forward to having them back out
for their homecoming parade. And, uh,
I'll turn it over to Pat on sports
updates.
>> Uh, thank you, Trisha. Um, so sports, we
had our we have coach pitch registration
or ended a few weeks ago and we just had
our coaches meeting last week. So
practices did start this week um Monday,
I should say. Wednesday it got rained
out so we did have to cancel, but we are
full with 80 kids in that um that
league. So we are excited to see the
numbers continue to go what they were
last year backto-back uh years of
getting filled up. So we're excited to
see that. Uh fall registration is uh
fall t-ball, basketball and flag
football uh ends on Monday. Um we have
as of today we had about 512 total
participants, 222 basketball, 170 t-ball
and 123 flag football. Um our three and
four age group was open a little less
than a week and it was already filled
with 80 kids. So in we had 19 kids on
the wait list in a little under two
weeks. So we opened it up for two more
teams and uh they got filled up pretty
quickly after that. So we're having 100
kids in just the three and four year old
T-ball and then we have about 10 10
spots left in T-ball altogether. So
we're excited to see T-ball continuing
to do the numbers and the rest of
leagues are also numbers are looking
pretty good too. So um group tennis uh
was supposed to start for August
yesterday but again got rained out. So
Friday will be the first day for our
August session but we are full in tennis
again. Um we're full through uh October.
So we have and the weight list depending
on the age groups are pretty good at
looking too. So it's exciting to see
tennis back out there and getting ready
to go. Um and that's about all I have
for sports.
Thank you both.
Are there any questions?
» One question.
>> Sure.
>> For um I think at some point we had an
agreement with ales to also do use one
of their fields. We're not able to do
that still, right? Or is there any are
you able to do any of your youth sports
in their small fields? So we used we did
use that in the past the smaller field
um we that is little league does have
priority over all those fields but we've
worked together in the past and whenever
we've had to close a park to overseed
we've moved that um that park from where
they were to that field. Oh, we still
pay the whatever rates they had and when
they made the rate the rate change um
>> increase it kind of looking at that we
would have made it work but we are able
to make it work around kind of keeping
one of the teams at the fields and
moving so we don't have to use that
field anymore. So thanks
>> the cost increase factored in.
>> Yeah.
That's from a number of people
organizations that rent fields from the
school district. It was quite hefty
>> again. Yes. What's the hourly rate for
their fields?
>> I the fields I
can't remember what they there were. I
know that they increased the basketball
gyms from like 20 to 33 and the fields
are probably around that same rises for
us and stuff. So,
» thank you guys. Are there any other
questions?
Okay, thank you very much. And moving
on,
sorry. Takes me a minute.
Okay.
Public Grounds Monthly Report. Kevin
Hamilton, public grounds superintendent.
[clears throat]
>> Teddy Council. Thank you guys. Um,
>> sorry.
» Wow. Yes. Wow. As long as I can get
>> same rate. Same pay rate. More
responsibility. Sorry, guys. Okay. So, I
am um my executive summary is in your
packets as well. Um it's it's quite
lengthy and touches on a few different
areas. Uh I'm going to try to stay
focused and hit on some some key
accomplishments and points. Um but
during our reporting period, we did have
staff uh advance in several high
priority maintenance and improvement
initiatives across city parks, streets,
landscape rights away, irrigation
systems, and wreck programs. Uh some of
our major accomplishments included
substantial progress on turf ariation
and fertilization, rem removal of
hazardous trees on the hilltop, and
continued citywide pruning along with
the completion of storm damage cleanup
and an implementation of new operating
procedures and preparations for upcoming
recreation programs and community
events. Um, so to hit on some of our key
accomplishments over the last 30 days,
um, we've hit 100% completion on our
citywide airification program, we were
able to hit all of the turf areas in the
city, uh, with a refying for the first
time in over a year. Um, we completed
fertilizer applications as well through
all these turf areas. Um, from my
understanding and the records I was able
to find, this was the first time that
the turf had been treated with a
fertilizer application in some time. Um,
we also created a standard operating
procedure for mowing and are now
unanimously mowing at the same height
throughout the uh department, which was
not the case as of April. Um, so we are
now uh on a Bermuda transition um plan.
It's a five-week program. Essentially,
back at the end of May, we implemented a
five-week plan to get rid of all of the
grass in our grass areas except for the
targeted grass that we wanted to grow
for the summer, which would be our
Bermuda grass. Um, as you can see, a lot
of the grass transition through that
time went from yellow and brown to a
little bit more green. And now you can
see a lot of those areas are now
bouncing back and coming with just one
type of grass, um, which was the desire.
Ultimately, what we'll look to do is
start that transition much sooner next
year. Um given that I was only put in
this role in April and we were a few
weeks and months behind um that
transition is something we will expect
to see a lot sooner next year. Um
because we are about 30 to 45 days away
from transitioning now to our our winter
rye. Um which is where we are also
looking in our A program to potentially
look at options for hydro seating. Um,
so we're going to look at different
options for uh transition this year with
our winter grass, mostly in coordination
with our parks and our wreck team
because with our hydro seating, it will
take us half the time um for the seed to
take into transition than it would in
our normal. Now, there is a cost
associated with that. Um so that's why
we're we're premature and just exploring
those options. Um that touched on uh the
aronomy team that we had out to take a
look at our turf. Um it was not this
last Friday but the Friday before. Um we
had the Legacy Golf Aronomy team out.
They took a look at our turf and made
some recommendations as well as uh put
us in contact with a few local
professionals that'll uh help us for the
next 365 days get our turf back on a a
program that we'd like. Um the last key
accomplishment that we have, we did have
Turtle Park Playground was order um the
installation of the project or of of the
playground. it will start and the
project should last from September 21st
to October 2nd and that will be the
final day for the playground
installation.
Um just to skip through and to touch on
a few other uh small items. Um we did
some work on the hilltop. Um as you can
see in the trees, palms and rideway
section, we had 71 trees uh that we took
out of the hilltop. They were all dead
trees. It cost the city approximately
$50,000. Um, we did find 17 additional
trees uh that were supposed to be
relocated that have now transitioned
into into either a dead state or a state
to which it would not be worth us
transitioning u transplanting those
specimens. Sorry. Um, so we removed
those additional 17 trees for a cost of
$13,000. The remaining 107 fan palms at
the hilltop, you guys may notice they
have all been pruned. Um and
moving on to fan pruning. Um that is
also the last remaining palm pruning
that we have through the city. The West
Coast Arbor crew has been able to work
through all 2400 palms with only about
900 remaining. Uh they were on track to
finish that by this week up until our
storm activity here in the last two
weeks. So I have supplemented West Coast
Arbor with another arbor contractor. um
they've provided us to get the storm
cleaned up a lot faster, but then also
getting arbor crews back onto our
pruning schedule.
Um
uh we did treat all of the palms along
Lichfield Road uh for termites. We had a
large termite infestation in all of our
palm trees there. Uh there were over 50
palms along that area that were treated
for termites.
um all of the public grounds materials
including um leftover materials,
historical items including the organ
from the band stand um the leftover
turtles from parks and any just
construction supplies have all been
cleared from the hilltop. Um so we are
now completely out of there. We are just
uh we're set aside ready for
construction to begin on the Hilltop
Park.
the [sighs]
so I did have some premature figures on
some storm response work you'll see in
that section I am going to skip that
because those were put in before
anything that happened this week so none
of that would ring relevant to now
[gasps]
um we in so far as active projects and
our service going on we have begun phase
two of the citywide painting it is
actually scheduled to be complete um
that was actually scheduled to be
completed this week We're reming
tomorrow morning to finish, but the only
thing remaining left to be painted are
the two monument signs along Indian
School. So, you'll see at Indian School
in Lichfield and Indian School in Daart.
Right now, it is just blank and painted.
Um, we were waiting for the iron
lettering to come in, which will be
mounted this week. Um, so that we can
have it when we need to repaint it next
time. Um, it's not just a sticker that
goes over. We can just paint behind the
lettering. Um, so that'll be installed
here uh this week. Uh after phase two is
complete with painting, we will look and
begin a phase three citywide painting
program that will address uh any
remaining wall areas that we haven't hit
yet, including DART.
Um we did finalize and secure the Sage
Brush Storage Lot from Lichfield
Elementary. Um we created a green waste
operating procedure and material
separation. We've now been able to avoid
taking any loads to the dump for two
weeks straight now. Um it's been a
significant efficiency gain for us and
as well as a cost savings for the city.
Um and those unfamiliar, we are we were
renting the Sage Brush lot. We were
calling it Sagebrush lot is that vacant
um area behind the Lichfield Elementary
School between the ball field. Um we
were able to rent and secure that from
the elementary school um in preparations
for the new public works building
potentially. Um but in the meantime
without that initiative going forward
we're use utilizing that lot as a
storage and a operating area.
>> How does that make you not have to go to
the dump?
>> Uh we call a contractor in to come and
pick up Yep. And many contractors have
negotiated with several nurseries uh con
um landscape companies around they can
dump their green waste for free. I
unfortunately cannot. Um, so what I am
looking at is a contractor who I can
just pay time and labor. They will come,
they'll grab it, and it saves me
approximately an hour to two hours with
one to two employees that no longer have
to go to the dump at a cost of
approximately anywhere from a hundred to
$200 per trip. Um, so we've seen a
significant savings and efficiency as
well.
[clears throat] Um the last part of our
uh efficiency improvements for our
service that we currently have um I have
initiated I'm calling them regional
discussions um but we have reached out
to our adjacent partner in the city of
Goodyear in regards to potentially
adding us onto their street sweeping
program and taking that off from our
public grounds and parks team.
Um, one thing that I will just briefly
touch on with our facilities manager
here, we did establish new cleaning
procedures, uh, as well as a, uh,
contractor for some of those services.
Um, we have been trying to do some more
citizen-f facing communication and
management. Um, we've been trying to do
our social media posts and communicating
in both our pruning schedule, our storm
cleanup efforts. Um, you may have also
seen the street closures. Um, and with
that, did I say I said palm printing
schedule? So, um, those are some of the
initiatives, some of the projects that
we've been working on. I skipped through
some of them, but, uh, if there's any
that I missed that you guys have any
further questions on, please feel free
to ask.
>> You mentioned the communication on the
street closures.
>> Yes. And they did some of the street
refinishing a month ago.
>> Like there was zero communication
>> and I only knew to get my cars off the
street because I asked the guy that was
putting cones out.
>> Sure.
>> A lot of people reached out to me to ask
about that. I was just wondering how was
that communicated and how did I miss it?
>> No, I'm going to pause you guys there
because we're getting out of park from
Rick.
>> Sorry.
>> So I know Kevin touched on this briefly.
>> I tried to stay high realm of street
things. We're gonna we're gonna bring it
back, but
>> No problem. Thank you.
>> We'll get with you privately on that.
>> Okay,
» sir.
>> A question. I think you addressed it,
but just to make sure that I'm
understanding it correctly, right now,
like down old road, especially if we get
closer to the north side, the grass is
rather patchy. That's just because we
were late on killing off the ry grass
and the Bermuda
um is catching up to these spots or
what's because that's the that's the big
question that I get. It's like, hey,
what's going on grass? What do what do I
tell folks?
>> Yeah. So, essentially years of not
killing the weeds that are in the grass
have let the weeds out compete for the
grass that we do want growing.
>> Sounds like my backyard.
>> Exactly. Yeah. So, so when that weed
gets large and big, it once we kill it
or it's gone, it is now a bare spot. So,
yeah, if we would have started that
sooner, we would have given the Bermuda
a chance to fill those bare areas
sooner. They will still fill some of
those areas, but given that we only have
a 30-day window where the weather is
optimal for growing grass like that, and
then we're going to scalp it low and
kill it to start our ride transition.
Um, those areas will be look more better
filled next year once we've done this
sustainably.
>> We're we're paying for it's deferred
maintenance. for paying off on that.
>> 100%. Yep. And I And that's why I put
this fiveweek transition plan together
for the city manager first because I go
it's going to look bad before it looks
good. So we we wanted to warn everybody.
Yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> Yes.
>> Quick, sorry, just a quick question. I
love the little turn lane into the
Thomas and all of that is new paint, but
just past that where the old turn lane
is to get on to Indian School is still
really faded and hard to see. Is that
going to get painted as well or is it
just going to be by the bright yellow
and then not really see where the turn
lane is?
>> No. So, we are we're fortunate enough we
just welcomed on our new streets
superintendent um Ed Edward and um we'll
be kind and bring him to our next
meeting so you guys can meet him as
well.
>> Ask him these questions.
>> Yes. Yes. Ed just started this Monday.
Um but we actually were fortunate enough
to get a streets tech. I believe it was
about three weeks ago that person
started. So, you may have seen I tried
to stay away from some of those. But in
my report, I did have you know
repainting crosswalks and school zones.
Those were things that the public
grounds team was assisting streets with
before our superintendent started. So,
we're in that transition phase right
now. Um, but Ed is someone who came very
qualified from Scottsdale. Um, he 20
years in a municipality. Uh, he he very
much has a plan and has already been out
and getting. So, uh, that is a question
I can definitely pass along to.
>> Thank you.
» Oh, go ahead.
Can you talk some about the recent storm
damage? I know we lost a number of
huge trees.
One here, one right out here.
Are we planning to replace them or or
you don't know? Tell me what the plan.
>> No. Yeah. So, I've gotten that question
10 times. Uh the statement that I've
been given permission to to hold to you.
Um we we are in a process of measuring
the magnitude of what we've lost right
now. Um I don't even have a full count.
I don't even have a bill yet. Um so I
can tell you just in some of the figures
that we've put together prematurely um
we are looking at a significant loss.
And part of that loss is paying for um
you know the the the cost that we didn't
incur the first time. So, what you guys
may have seen for a lot of our trees out
there was they they just went over at
the roots and all of those roots were
like your fingers spread. So, they
should have been down deep deep. And a
lot of what I'm seeing is the irrigation
systems here there's one line, one line
for the grass, one line for the shrubs,
one for the trees, one for the palms,
and those all four should be on separate
lines. They all measure different times,
different gallons per hour. Um, and so
the trees have been suffering. They've
been getting water to stay alive, but
they haven't been getting the water they
need to establish themselves and to stay
grounded and rooted. So, there's a a
multitude of factors that we're
including in this because the cost to go
back and put these trees also comes with
an infrastructure cost with the the
plumbing and the irrigation to go with
it as well as the controllers that are
going to manage and allow us to to keep
them alive. So, what we've done is we've
already been in contact with the
landscape architect. We've already put
together a few different presentation
ideas and we are going to look to sit in
front of you guys this next month with a
few options on what we think would be a
more sustainable idea for us to
transition and replant with um and more
so with a game plan in mind as well as a
selection of tree species, plants, you
know, shrub species and then irrigation
um standards that we think we want to
set going forward. So, we'll put um an
initial presentation of what we think
that package looks like as well as maybe
some preliminary costs and then we'll
put that presentation in front of you
guys hopefully to get some blessing and
some decisions so that we can put in
front of council for some funding.
>> I look forward to that. Thank you.
>> Yeah. No, and um as far as just
inventory goes, we do have Arbor Access
is the uh inventory system that West
Coast Arbor uses. as they are doing
their work right now, they are updating
that inventory. So, I have an idea on
some of those figures. Um, but it's very
premature. But the great thing about
that system,
>> like to give you an idea, just one of
these trees that we lost out here, that
tree was valued at $10,000. So, it
didn't cost us $10,000 to take it out
and to put a new one in. But, if we were
going to say try to replicate and put
that exact tree back, that is the value
that it had for the water and the oxygen
and the carbon sequestering that it
does. So, um, we have a value to what we
have lost. We have a value to what it
will cost. And then, um, we're going to
try to figure out the right way to put
it back. None of that will start
probably until October. Just looking for
the weather. Yeah.
>> You mentioned something about a GIS
track.
>> Oh, I I had that in here and I didn't
>> I saw it in there a little bit.
>> Yeah. So, I I currently we had the whole
city is in GIS. Um, I have been working
with the city planner and we've really
just gotten anything that we were able
to have as a digital construction file
added onto our GIS. So, some of our
power lines, irrigation lines, that kind
of stuff. Um, but we're really looking
to advance the GIS. So, we're looking to
get all the city's assets like park
benches and street lights and um
drinking fountains, trash cans,
everything down to the nuts and bolts
essentially can be polygon and
identified as a asset in GIS. And it's
satellite um driven so it's accurate and
it's something that gives us um
forecasts and projections without having
to leave our desk. You know, we can do
measurements, we can do square footages,
um we can get counts and inventory,
stuff like that without leaving. So,
we've been fortunate enough that ASU has
an intern program in their GIS uh
department that we essentially can just
pay them at an intern rate um to to
continue on working with us. So, the the
first phase last year was us getting
into GIS, which we are now. We are now
looking to advance and develop GIS more.
We want our our water meters on there.
We want our valve boxes on there, our
irrigation lines, as well as I'm
drawing. I'm they're called polygons,
but they're just shapes around the
landscape that we're responsible for
maintaining. And it's something that my
guys, the contractor, anyone working,
they can see it on their phone and say,
"Yes, this is ours. Yes, this is
theirs." Um, and it's connected to the
Maricopa County parcel assessors um
website. So everything in there, it
shows you ownership. It shows you public
information on who owns the property to
their name, their phone number, their
email, everything. So, it's it's a
really robust system um that I've been
familiar and used in other
municipalities that our city planner
Randy has been fortunate enough to start
the process and we are just continuing
on with here now.
>> And I know that' be tremendously
helpful to us as a commission. Maybe I
don't know if we can get access to the
actual software or whatever or even just
have like a print out of the public
grounds and you know a list or or some
sort of map system.
>> Well, we were looking at an internal and
an external application something for
the public and something for us as well
on a daily operational sense. So, um
that is something because we are meeting
about this week. I can definitely ask at
what a a public facing GIS map looks
like so that you guys are able to see at
least some of our basic functions off
the bat.
>> Just for the record, I mean we all know
but GIS stands for
>> geo informationational
satellite
system. Something like
>> that's what I thought it was.
>> Yeah.
» So are there any other questions?
>> Yeah. Go ahead, sir. back on the turf uh
restoration. I just want to say thanks
for making that a priority. I know I go
to Turtle Park a lot and there's a lot,
you know, the crab grass and stuff in
there. So, I appreciate you making that
a priority. Um at Turtle Park
specifically,
how is that being treated? Because I I
noticed like a little section kind of
between the goalposts is just like
shaved down and more dead. And I was
wondering how you're treating it
differently. And
>> we um we we were just talking about that
before this meeting. Um, so Turtle was
our last park. Um, I'm saying last and
first. We were trying to make a decision
at Turtle if we needed to keep going
with spraying. We didn't, we knew we
weren't going to get all the leaves in
one treatment. Um, especially being this
late to the game. We wanted to see the
effects of spraying half of that turf
and having in a test batch right in
front of us. Um, so we did half of the
turf and then we dropped the deck and
mowed it. We wanted to see how it
affected that turf and the weeds in it.
So you can see both halves are coming
back but there is a disparity between
them. Um
>> where is this a turtle turtle?
>> Uh and we tried to do it on the far end
so that it wasn't as noticeable from the
street.
>> Um but I will selfabilia is uh purely
scientific and research. Um we're just
trying to get an idea of what's going to
target some of our nuts edge and our
crab grass some of our more aggressive
stuff. Um as well as mowing. And I will
say mowing at turtle alone um we dropped
the decks and we mowed in a crisscross
pattern. We had great results from that
alone without the herbicide. So, um,
we're we're very focused on it. I think
we are finally getting support which may
have not always been there before, which
is allowing us to put more funding and
resources.
>> That's great.
>> We figured out that Kristoff and I know
we need that for
>> I'm I mean with the golf, right?
>> I mean with the golf course on Tuesday.
Listen, information is knowledge. So,
I'm just trying to collect as much as I
can and I'm happy to to share with you
guys easily.
Does anybody have any other questions?
Thank you very much. So you
So, it is it is my honor to introduce
facilities manager Chris Scott.
>> Welcome, Sarah.
>> Thanks for having me.
So, uh, I am the facilities new
facilities manager for the city park.
Um, I guess the first one they've ever
had. So, um, the bar set pretty low. Um,
so I've been here about four months now.
Um, it's been quite an experience so
far. Um, a lot of catchup, a lot of uh, asset assessment um, with the
buildings and um, sorry and everything
uh, in between. So, um I know the
drinking fountains are a high priority.
Um I have done a lot of research um
looking at those and uh we've had some
cclick fix requests for new ones. Um, so
I've done again a lot of work, a lot of
research and and work with Paige, our uh
assistant city manager, trying to come
up with a strategy um you know a cost
assessment what it would take to um
basically replace them all all these
parks. So, um it's it's going to be more
of a phase situation for these because
of the price, but um
I I I think that working with you, um
would would would help me tremendously
because I I think there's so many
different options out there.
[clears throat] Excuse me. And I think
everyone wants something different just
based off, you know, the feedback that
I've gotten from, you know, the citizens
and everything. So, um that is one of my
top priorities right now. Um the
restrooms in general need some uh
attention. Uh Kevin and I have worked on
the painting on the phases. Um we're
looking at uh well I'm looking at doing
some new painting on those um and some
work inside the restrooms with maybe
some updates. Um we haven't moved to the
any of the lighting. I think that's
something that's needs to be looked at.
Some of the Romanas looks pretty old.
Um, and again, I've done quite a few
ride alongs with Kevin and just uh we
talked about several things that that
need to be done um with these parks. Um
just a lot of neglect, I think, over the
years. So, um these are some of my
goals, you know, within the next year um
to accomplish. So, um, you know, you're
welcome to reach out to me, you know,
via email, call me, whatever. Um, and we
can we can work through this,
try to get these things looking better.
I know Kevin's busting his butt trying
to get these things looking good and and
updated. So, I'm going to, you know, do
my part and, you know, same thing, do
some restoration.
Any questions?
» Start for you, sir.
We are also new to having a facilities
manager.
>> What does that entail?
>> Yeah. I mean, you were talking about
parks, which is not what I was thinking.
>> Well, it's kind of
>> I play a part in that with the actual
facilities in the parks. Um, you know,
plumbing, electrical. Um, mainly I take
care of the facility buildings, this
building, rec center, um, the new works,
city hall, new library. So I handle
everything with with those buildings,
you know, anything from, you know,
structural again, plumbing, electrical,
HVAC, all that stuff. Any uh you know,
updates, um remodels.
So that's what I handle.
>> Maybe like the romas at the parks would
be sports sports courts. Would that fall
into your as a facility?
>> Um
don't really know. I know we've worked
again him and I have worked together
trying to figure some of that out. Our
roles are still a little bit kind of we
mesh, you know, because we're new,
right? So, um, but we worked together on
trying to come up with some ideas. Like
I said, I know the lighting has been an
issue. Believe it Aleppo was one that
has been complained about.
>> Yeah. Um, so we're looking at maybe
doing some, you know, an upgrade on the
LEDs over there
>> and um, you know, get some better get
some better photo
sensors in there and and just um, you
know, just try to handle what what needs
to be handled over there.
>> Yeah,
>> we we got the uh, turtle park. We got
the the new um, sewer line run over
there. um May. That was was quite the
ordeal, but uh you know, got that
handled. Um so again, we're looking at
we're assessing all this stuff, you
know, to see what needs to be updated
and and uh better maintained.
So I do play a part in parks with the actual restroom facilities.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's good to know.
>> Any other questions?
>> Welcome.
>> Thank you.
>> Welcome.
>> Thank you. glad to have you.
>> So, we probably won't put Chris on the
spot every month to come out and report
to you guys, but as he has those kind of
projects that he's working on that
affect recreation and public grounds, um
we can certainly same way we do with
Randy um come in and on specific topics
come in and report to you guys. So for
instance the the water fountains once
something uh comes to fruition with that
he'll probably come back and and share
that information with you goddess. Um so
project by project that affect your
commission
>> and we Chris and I work hand inand on
everything and somebody I think
described it to us as uh Chris takes
care of inside the house and I take care
of the the yard outside. Uh but we'll be
working on projects like through old
Lichfield Square where we've already had
an electrician come out and we're
looking to connect the inground lighting
at LS Square to the palms along Old
Litfield and in the roundabout. So
that's a project that we were working on
together hand in hand. It's parks, it's
landscape, it's electrical, it's
facilities. Um so Chris and I have a lot
of those projects together.
» Well, thank you and welcome again, sir.
Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
» Opportunities for improvement. Presenter
Trisha Kramer, community and recreation
services director.
>> Uh thank you, Chairman Teddy and
Commissioners. Um I don't think we had
too much at our last meeting. Uh,
Commissioner Gordono had a couple of
recommendations uh to pass along to
streets and was going to put something
through our uh uh engage LP app. I don't
know if she did not,
>> but she but I will.
>> Yes. Um, other than that, if you have
any new opportunities that you wanted to
discuss with us or any old business with
respect to that, we'll certainly we'll
address them or pass them on.
>> Sure. Um, are there any trends that
you're seeing in what people are
reporting that would be good for us to
be aware of?
>> Storm damage.
Besides storm damage,
>> um
>> do you have any do are you getting any?
>> Um I think we're seeing a lot of
irrigation call outs to make sure that
>> that has been the most beneficial for
me. Um it's just not losing track of
anything and as soon as somebody sees
it, boom, we get it. Our uncalled guy
can be here in less than 30 minutes. And
we've I think we've already done just
this week because the trees fallen on
them, we've done five um where we found
after hours irrigation leaks, but then
um the the trees falling down has been
great because I scheduled them starting
Monday and now I'm working my way
backwards, you know, with the people who
have reported Monday. But we've we've
closed almost all of them out. We've
closed 50% of our in LP tickets out from
Monday. And that's just helped us track
each and individual instance of either a
leak or a tree and we haven't lost track
of any. So that's that's been good. And
we're not getting late calls like this
thing's been here for two weeks and you
guys forgot about me. If you reported
it, it's in the system and we're coming
to you and it's scheduled and we have a
date and a time and so um irrigation and
just fallen and damaged properties to
Yep.
>> So, don't forget to record it because it
could have been I know. I know. The
light call in. Our administrative
assistants have been kind enough to
enter those requests for you.
>> Excellent. No, I can do it. I have it. I
just want to get a picture of it. It's a
light over by the pond.
>> Perfect. And we we're doing the street
lights, too. So, if you see an SRP
street light out, send it to us. We'll
send it to SRP even. Yeah.
Well, I think Kevin and Chris are both
doing great at efficiencies and
opportunities for improvement that I
don't have a ton to add, but I would I
do want to just mention
all of the along the uh Noeva, all of
that grass that is public land with like
the rolling hills. Yes,
>> that seems probably like the biggest
opportunity in the city where I mean we
should really either
tell the public that it's available for
them to use
or tear out the grass and put rocks in,
you know, instead of because it's
usually has really beautiful grass
there, but we're also not telling the
public they can use it as a park. kind
of seems like a median or it used to be
private property of the HOA 15 years
ago, something like that.
So now we've talked about this once or
twice over the years, but
>> seems like something that would be good
to to push forward. U so that would be
in my presentation for you guys here in
30 days when we get together. Um but
yeah, I would love to you guys to help
me identify what you would prioritize as
top priority areas. My personal opinion,
that one is up there. I think the
>> oddshaped medians that are in weird
distance. Yeah, those would be maybe
some of my firsts, but um we're we're I
think all on the same page for that. The
non-program programmable recreational
areas. So, and if it is a recreational
area or it can somewhat be used as that,
we should use it or provide amenities
for such. Yeah,
>> it's used as like a dog walking area.
You know, we could even just put a sign
up to identif give it a name. We call it
the hills. The guys call that the hills.
Um but you know, that doesn't mean
anything. It's not really a place. So,
yeah, to to designate it as something
and give it just one amenity, a sign or
a dog station. Yeah. So, um that is a
great idea and something that we'll look
to put for you guys to give us
direction.
>> Yeah. Really just something to tell the
public that it's there for them to use.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. No. And it's um it's
in a good area and I see someone every
morning they park their car right there
and they walk their dog or run it. I
don't know what they're doing but
they're using it. So yeah. Awesome.
I have two super quick ones. One um and
I I'm imagining this fits into this
category. If it doesn't, please stop.
But one is a tree on the north side of
Luma. It looks like it's right about to
die and probably needs to just go. And
the other one is a bigger question. Um,
have have are there islands around the
city that have already been marked for
transition to zero escape or are those
islands just for whatever reason not
growing grass the way that they maybe
once did or does this relate back to
what you were saying a minute ago where
you're kind of watching grass where it
needs to be transitioned now for the
fall and maybe just doing that kind of a
big question there. Sorry.
>> No. Yeah, broader statement and I've
touched a little bit on it all. I think
what you're referring to are some of the
medians that have like a grayish white
looking turf. And if that doesn't sound
familiar, go to the areas
um
all through Loma, all through 119 112
where there's uh Compa is an area that
comes to mind. So that has pine needles
that were covering the surface. It had
weeds and crab grass that were growing
through. Then we grew the ry grass.
Well, when I came here in April, the
water was still going crazy and the guys
were still keeping the ryrass alive. So,
in all of those combinations, we weren't
letting Bermuda go. Now, if you over
years let different um
different compounds take up the soil,
you would want to replenish that Bermuda
with some seed. Now, from my
understanding, those islands that you
guys are talking about specifically that
looked like we were marking and killing
them, they're still getting water. There
is just no Bermuda grass in them
growing. So, what I had come to learn is
in this last year, those were last
priority. When it came to fertilizing,
when it came to a when it came to
transitioning, we just skipped those
because the budget, the time, the re I
don't know the exact reason. I wasn't
here for that history, but I just
understand that they were neglected.
They were not prioritized as being kept
up. Um, and I don't know if it was
because of the turf or not. Um, but
there are some areas where I'm noticing
there's just no grass left. Um, those
would be areas where we would identify
them as zercape where we would like to
try and convert them, especially some of
the ones that have already lost their
large established trees. Um but the
landscape architect that we are meeting
with in our zercape conversions is
taking into consideration uh keeping
those wellestablished trees that have
been there already for 50 years. So we
haven't marked anything yet. The gray or
whitish looking grass. If you walk up to
it, you'll notice it was just like this
in front of Papa's and like Park Cafe up
until about a week ago. You can see the south end is starting to come back
and it's slowly moving its way north.
But what you would see is if you would
scratch your fingers along the surface,
it was just the dead rye or dead grass
that we had killed out and it was
suffocating the surface from any Bermuda
actually popping and coming through. Um,
so there's a few different techniques
that we would be able to do to do that.
We're we're just too late now. So, we're
not going to do anything with those. Our
only option would be maybe paint them
green, which a few citizens have
proposed to us. Um, but we are so close
to our transition to winter grass that
we'll just look to address it then and
then be prepared come March and April
next year.
>> Copy that. So, if if there is a
long-term plan on on converting to zero
skate, will the neighborhoods know in
advance and maybe get a chance for some
input on that? Um what we were planning
to do in the council meeting where we
did present this and hopefully some um
pointed direction from you guys was a
work study and just looking to get some
feedback from either the public or the
council and get a little bit of that
either how they want it communicated or
just some of the communication that has
to be a part of this plan. Um, that's
our intention for next month when we
present
>> the LA and I'll invite everybody else on
the commission to chime in on this, but
the last time we talked about
zeroscaping, it was not received
um I don't know exactly what it was not
received super well,
which you probably already experienced.
I brought that up in my interview and it
was a lot of unsettled eyes and people
looking around as well. And um recently
it's been brought up a lot and not only
by myself but [snorts] citizens, our
management and our council. I was
stopped at the opening of the library by
one of our council members who wanted to
talk nothing but zercape and turf
conversion. So it's it's an interest.
They're very much talking about it right
now. And with sustainability being the
overall umbrella conversation that we
need to have with the trees and the
landscaping and the irrigation that have
just all come down, uh this is our
window to talk about it. Um I'm
preparing for the the debate, if you
will. Um the landscape landscape
architect that we have been working
with, he already has presented to
several municipalities and councils on
uh turf conversion and zercape. and we
have a whole presentation put together.
So, I'll I'll be happy to have him come
in and speak with you guys and you can
see his presentation as well. Um, but
we're in the preliminary phases of
putting that all together right now.
>> Yes, sir. Maybe add on to what
Commissioner Faith had said about the
hills as it relates to this where if we
have to choose where we could have grass
because we're limited near irrigation,
let's use it in places it's getting
used, not as much looked at, which we
all love looking at. And I'd love
everything to be green, but we can't do
it
>> 100%. And I think you guys have a great
um test pilot or platform where if you
go into the Loma area, a lot of those
medians, I'm not sure if they were
originally turf or not, but they have
already been converted to a zircape type
of landscape. It's just granite with um
you know, water tolerant plants. And
that's you know, people hear zircape and
it has different meanings to everybody,
but that's in our presentation something
that we want to help just clarify and
define for people. Um, so and and with
turf, you know, a lot of people see it
as an asset. You can recreate on it, you
can play on it. We don't want the
perception for the citizens to seem like
we are taking something from them
without them gaining something back. Um,
so that's something that we're putting
together in our presentation as well.
I've always wondered if there's a way to
quantify it like the like a like a price
per square foot of like a zeroscape
versus like grass. And I always thought
that if we had that number then perhaps
it would open a lot more minds to the
conversion. But just throwing it out
there. I have them and I'll give it to
you guys. Right on. I will get you guys
the figures.
If you use water rights a driver of that
too
lose water or you're going to lose
eventually [clears throat]
there's a lot of calculations and and we
were able to secure a lot of grant
funding um in the city of Peoria we
secured over um
I want to say it was $4 million but to
do citywide turf conversion in our
non-programmable recreation parks. So
wow, all of our neighborhood parks, you
know, like Turtle, all that, we
identified areas that were
non-programmable that we couldn't use or
put sports on, and we received money in
a grant to take that out and convert it.
>> Is that federal or state?
>> Uh I'm not just another
>> it was called the WIFA grant. I I want
to say that it was a state grant. Uh we
did it now three years ago. I can't
remember specifically. Um but they turf
conversion, switching to smart
irrigation controllers, those type of
programs and uh grants are out there. So
um if that's something that we do end up
going and funding finance becomes
something that keeps us from getting
there, um there's programs out there for
us. Right on. Well, thank you for all of
that. Are there any other questions? I'm
sorry.
>> I don't have any.
>> Okay.
Next, uh, business approval of minutes.
Presenter Trisha Kramer, Community and
Recreation Services Director.
>> Thank you, Chairman Teddy and
Commissioners. Uh the minutes from the
June 11th meeting are in your agenda
packets
and uh I will leave it to you whether
you'd like to uh um move to approve or
if you have any recommendations for
corre or corrections.
Move to approve.
>> Second.
>> Are there any questions?
All in favor say I. I. All oppose.
>> The eyes have it.
>> Thank you, commissioners.
Now, this next section is where I think
we're going to we we had discussed
moving.
Was it was it D moving up into the B slot? Is that what you were
thinking?
>> I think we first have the elementary
school access item or maybe not.
>> Yeah, I think we've um let's do B and
then we'll skip to D.
Copy that. Public access to Lichfield
Elementary School playground courts and
fields.
Presenter Trisha Kramer, community and
recreation services director. This is
information only. We requested an update
um based on previous discussions about
incorporating their facilities, LED's
facilities into our programming.
>> Uh thank you, [clears throat] Chairman
Tatty and Commissioners. Uh yes, as of
uh Monday the 3 uh first day of school,
we did hear back from uh the new
facilities coordinator for uh Lichfield
Elementary School District um who
confirmed to Pat that um the gates at
least will be unlocked after school on
weekdays and open during the weekends
for community as access to the courts
and the playgrounds. Um, so that should
be in place. Please, um, Pat and I will
check. I don't think we did not have a
chance, uh, so far, but we will check to
see that that's happening. Feel free to
do that as well, so that we can, uh,
continue that conversation with them as
needed and put it out to the community
um, once we know for sure that it's
happening as stated so that they're
aware and can take advantage of that.
>> That's great. Thank you.
>> That is awesome. Yeah. And to to go back
to the original question why we asked
there people that live there but have
small kids that look at a playground
they can't go to that's just sitting
there. Right. So it's awesome that'll
allow open that up to the public.
>> Thank you guys.
>> Trisha which gates do you know which
gates will be open or
>> um it should be the so the cafeteria
right when where the bus is. It should
be that gate that's right there, right
next to the playground. And then on the
other side, it should be
uh
the gate that's right by the first field
by the building, closest to the
building. There's a there's the gate
should be right there. So, it should be
on those two sides. So, one on the
closer to the basketball courts, one by
the playground.
>> Nice.
>> Can you say again when that should be
open? should already be in effect
>> like after school and on the weekends.
It's supposed to remain open to the
public
>> until sundown.
>> Um
>> basically, right?
>> For sure.
>> Said she didn't say they should be open
after hours, but I can confirm that.
>> Morning.
>> I would think those kids early.
>> Yeah.
And weekdays, I don't know. I think they
might lock a weekends. They might leave
it open since
um
>> we'll get clarification.
>> I'll get clarification.
>> It'll be good to do some I don't know
some sort of public awareness.
>> We have a city new pure person.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> We're going to make sure it's in effect
before we go telling all the residents
to enjoy that
>> before take it away again, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, that's very exciting. Yeah, thank
you for that.
>> So, I believe we're now gonna This is
where we're skipping, right? We're going
to go to D. We're going to We're going
to go into the action slash comment
field lighting for sports presenter
commissioner Kristoff Girtz.
>> Thank you. Um, so I mean obviously you
know the title of the subject. I wanted
to start with something that's no shock
to anybody here, which is it's hot in
the summer and the sun's out late. When
it's nice in the winter, the sun goes
down early. That translates to our best
weather months where kids can play
outside, November to February, have an
early sunset, which means after school
time, there's a limited time to go play
outside before it's dark. We have some
nice months where there's a good balance
between sunlight that's available and
the temperature outside to play. Say
March, April, October, sort of the the
shoulder months if you will. And then in
May and September, as we know, right now
it's pretty hot and a lot of kids that
go play or teams that practice try to
push until later the day or cancel
because of heat advisories. We recognize
this need by having litfields in the
city and around. So in the city we have
a direct rec center with basketball,
tennis, pickle ball. Um we have Jackie
Robinson Field that's lit. The children
elementary school while it's private and
now open more. I don't expect the lights
to be on after school. Um does have lit
baseball. The wave bomb has lit tennis
and lit pickle ball and we're not a
cloistered city. We welcome others to
participate in our parks as we
participate in theirs. So very close to
us um at right next to Millennium High
School. So a quarter of a mile from
Lichfield Park city boundaries, you've
have two lit baseball fields, lit
volleyball, lit basketball, a tenth of a
mile that direction outside the city
boundaries. We have lit tennis, lit
pickle ball, lit baseball, lit
basketball, lit volleyball among other
things like skateboarding. So a lot of
lit activities. You'll notice what I
haven't mentioned, general purpose
fields that are lit. So if you want to
play flag football, football, soccer,
lacrosse, any of those things, the
closest place that's lit that's publicly
accessible is Friendship Park. If you've
ever been there, it is booked.
>> Yep.
>> And packed
>> packed
>> all of the time. So we have a huge
demand. We have people I know people and
I've done it that have driven out to
Sundance Park if anybody knows where
that is in Buckey which is a beautiful
park by the way if you've not seen it.
is a revelation is very nicely
planned. I love it. I wish I could pick
it up. We still don't have the land for
it. Right. This is not going to happen.
We don't have the land for it. Right.
But but this is a bit this is my
[snorts] observation. It's anecdotal. So
I wanted to pass something around here.
So I did a little one two three four
five and I'll need one. And I think
that's all those students have familiar
with. There's one left if you guys would
like I'm not sure. Um there's a an
organization called the Aspen Institute
that does a state of play study and this
is their 2025 study of state of play. So
if you want to start on the side that's
horizontal a landscape oriented. These
are screenshots right off the size page.
Um they've got age groups there. So they
do a survey for 6 to 12 and then 13 to
17. And what I draw your attention to is
the right to most columns which are the
percentage of children who participate
in a given sport on a regular basis and
then the five-year delta. So the change
from the 2019 study. The unfortunate
thing you might see is well one that
they're the columns aren't going to add
up to 100% because not every child
participates in the sport regularly. Um
if you were to add them up though you
would see that from 2014 until today
there's an overall decrease generally
speaking of children that are
participating in sports. So obviously we
want to be a part of making that go the
other direction. This is interesting but
it's not in it's not super useful in the
discussion on time to drive. and we turn
over to the other side. I've taken the
liberty of at least aggregating the data
a little bit and I've grouped these
sports together in things that are
meaningful in terms of the spaces that
we're talking about. Um so baseball and
softball I threw together as baseball
softball basketball is just basketball.
Um under NA I put together all the
things that are probably outside of what
we can affect. Uh, so cheerleading,
golf, gymnastics, ice hockey, swimming.
We have a space. We're probably not
building another pool. Track and field,
and wrestling, right? Open field is flag
football, tackle football, lacrosse, and
soccer. I do want to call out flag
football for a second. One of the things
that was interesting in the study is the
fastest growing sport is girls flag
football, which surprised me. I didn't
realize that, but it's huge, right? Um,
tennis is tennis, uh, volleyball is
volleyball. You play those, where you
play those, they're they're they're that
thing, right? So if you take a look at
the age groups the either the 6 to 12 or
the 13 to 17 and look at open field that
in the case of the younger kids makes up
about 15% of kids playing that and um
the older group about 17%. And on the
older groups it's trending down a little
bit. Everything's kind of trending down.
So tennis on the younger kids it's about
2% down. Some are down more than others.
Again tennis starting kind of a low
numbers is up right. Um, and I'm what I
want to call out in this is not one
sport versus another, but a comparison
of we have lit spaces for just about
everything on this list, except we have
zero lit spaces for fields. I don't know
the answer for this. This is the problem
statement I want to put out there. I'm
not saying I'm proposing we do X for Y.
I wanted to put it out there for you
guys to think about and talk about and for staff consider as well and
whether it's something that we're able
to do or able to work with the other
municipalities around us or the schools
maybe it's like the the the fields are a
limiting factor the lit fields are an
absolute limiting factor in field sports
in West Valley.
So I don't like like I said I don't have
an answer on it. I just know it's it's a
like we're capped
So, any thoughts?
>> Thank you for that.
[laughter]
>> I'm not in charge.
>> I would say that the main difference is probably the type
of lighting. I mean, an open field's
going to have huge lights that affect a
lot more
>> the immediate area, which makes them
>> harder harder to do. Um,
>> I happen to live next to Millennium who
just put in practice fields with huge
lit lights that have
football flag of football all the time.
Young kids, not high school kids. So, I
know that space is is available. I don't
know make use of it. I don't think so. I
don't know who use
>> We don't use any of uh LED or
um pardon me aquafria. We don't use
either. Yeah, but I don't know that
might be something to to look at just to
get an idea of how they did it.
>> I wholeheartedly agree. I remember one
spot time and Pat, you may I used to
bring portable lights to Aleppo because
I had basketball practices and by six
o'clock it was dark out and so I brought
my own lights and I didn't hear
[laughter] that
10 years ago probably. Um but uh I just
I imagine that the the hurdles we face
are a cost and b light pollution.
>> Yeah. And if I may on light pollution,
there's a big difference between the
light leakage from the older style
lights. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Versus Jackie Robinson field that have
lights that are very high up. And I know
it was a concern when we put that in,
but they're like they're dialed in,
right? You drive by their night, hey,
you can see the field, but it's not like
the houses are lit up half locked down
like older lights on.
>> Yeah. those neighbors, that
neighborhood's very happy, too. And that
was that was a big process, if you guys
remember.
>> Yeah.
>> Um that was, you know, it took a lot of
doing. Sunny actually went over there
and
>> he talked to every one of those
neighbors in that neighborhood and said,
"This is what we're trying to do. This
is the technology we're using to make
sure the light pollution won't destroy
your living room at, you know, nine
o'clock at night when T-ball's finishing
up or whatever.
>> We have four parks that would be
candidates for that. came back stag and
scout
>> turtle age too.
>> Yeah. I think one of the big hurdles is
all the courts and things you talked
about where they're lit. They're not
generally right by houses like the rec
center. You know, most of the ones I can
think that you listed, they're not right
by houses. So, I I anticipate there
would be some push back to people that
are used to kind of having it quiet in
their neighborhood at night versus all
of a sudden there's a lot of activity
and lights. So, I think that that's that
would be a hurdle that we'd have to
address as the resident,
>> but it would probably have to end at
9:00 or something like that. And I mean,
you know, that's normal.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know. For me, the big picture
being, you know, the old grandma up here
is if we can do anything to make these
numbers go up and get kids away from
their screens and outside playing with
each other,
>> I'm for it. So, I don't know. I Yeah.
And but I do agree about lights in
neighborhoods and making sure that, you
know, they shine down and that kind of
thing. So, I'm glad you brought it up.
Would this be something that
our
city leagues
would use? I mean, I don't want to build
something just for the other cities,
right? I mean,
>> no.
>> Lit fields like with the I want to hear
from you, Pat, is what I'm trying to
say. [laughter]
>> Yeah. I mean, if we did have lit fields,
we would definitely use it. The biggest
thing is we get especially in the spring
when soccer season's going on is why
don't we do winter soccer or other
soccer.
>> Yeah.
>> Um comes into a twofold kind of thing
where the fall we we have a lot of our
parks are being used with t-ball or flag
football as it is. Um but we would love
to do winter. It's just the issue is
we don't have lights and so
>> um games we fine because on Saturdays
but it just practices be an issue
because by the time if 5:00 hits it's
already getting dark and we don't want
to be like hey thanks for coaching find
your own practice location. Um we've
checked with the school to see what that
would charge um to use their fields, but
if we did have fields of our own that
are lit and able to use practices, that
would definitely open up the doors for
more sports like winter teball, winter
soccer, and other possible programs that
we could kind of implement that. You
know, obviously the weather is good
during that time. It's just we don't
have any lights or fields to be able to
use. So
>> you mentioned schools having facilities
that are available
>> that comes
>> I mean the cost of building one versus
the cost of renting one
>> would come into play but you're saying
there's facilities that are available to
rent that would have like enough
capacity do you think? uh it limits to
what we really have. Like if it's
Western Sky, it's comes down to
really the cost to renting it, the
lights, and then also there's they also
have other programs going on at the same time where we would be able to
kind of control what's like these are
our for our sports. They they reserve it
out to other leagues. those fields are
>> fields
>> and we can control we can kind of
control uh the field conditions whereas
the school um I know you guys asked
about the T-ball fields back um back
there that was an issue also was the
weeds were growing and we started
getting complaints when we moved over
there that thorns were getting stuck in
the balls in there. So, you know, we
kind of just
would be stuck with whatever the field
conditions are. Um, compared to if it
was our own parks, obviously we' be
like, "Hey, Kevin,
>> there's a go for again."
>> That's a good talking point because the
lights are great, but with the increase
of operating hours, we now need more
coverage and enforcement. you know,
who's going to be at the field while the
lights are on to tell you that you don't
have the field reserved and that that is
for the team that paid the money. And so
then the extra cost for the staff to
constantly keeping them maintained, but
for the city of Poria, lights and fields
were amazing revenue generators. If we
had lights on and it had something you
could play on underneath it, there were
club teams reaching out from us from
everywhere to just want to rent them to
take care of them. So, um, wherever you
put it, whether it's for league or just,
you know, revenue generating in general,
I mean, I see plenty of citizens
throughout the week that are looking to
have the T-ball park to themselves to
just hit some softballs or to go out and
do a a skills camp with some soccer kids
at Turtle. I see them do that two or
three times. Same thing with Camel Back.
Um, so those are revenue opportunities
where we would they're probably doing it
in the evening anyway where you can just
flip the lights on for them and charge
them a fee for it. Oh, okay.
>> Well, there there's there and um I'm
sorry I just completely stepped on your
hand up there, but they've like uh Pat
and I have discussed before as I'm sure
all the other people who have coached in
the room. There there are a lot of
people who just kind of walk onto our
facilities without really renting and
you know it's you you say something to
them in as nice a way as you can like
hey man you should really make sure
you're doing this on the books. We even
had an ROC club exercising camel for the
longest time. Do you remember?
>> There was a storefront there over by
that Owens place by behind
>> Oh yeah. had recruiting.
>> It was up to like 20 25 people at times.
Not that you know
>> cross country team meets at the Ellis
Square every morning before they run and
go do practice. Yeah.
>> And they cruise the neighborhood. And
that's a little bit different than the
actual like just use of a field for x
amount of time, you know,
>> and um I want to maybe reemphasize 2.1
um the conditions of fields like we in
the winter especially have phenomenal
grass. And if you compare that
the [clears throat] local schools that
are available for rent, it is like one
is dangerous and the other is like it's
kind of they're that far apart.
And if you look at the what clubs charge
if you want sorry what school district
charges a club to rent out the field
it's obscene. So whether it's a money
maker or it's available for us or a
combination of the two like those that
is a real thing.
>> You make a great point because you're
one of the few cities that still
transitions to rye everywhere. No one
hardly does it and if they do they do it
on professional sports fields or
programmable sports fields. So, if you
guys are transitioning already,
[clears throat]
it makes sense where everyone wants to
be at those beautiful the best looking
fields in the winter are going to be
here. You might as well light them up
for them and collect something. Yeah.
>> Yeah. They're most of the time they're
usable with stars, right? So, we look at
them during the day when we're at work,
>> right? Um but so I I don't know where we
go from here. I mean, I think there's
some parks that are if we were to do
something in LH Park that are better
suited than others. And Mr. Faith to
your point like there are some that are
more in neighborhoods than and some that
are little less in neighborhoods. So
Camelback for example has more street
but budding right
>> park acreage and and turtle as well. Um
Camelback more though because it's got
like a full 90 degrees right and then
the the
>> the curvature of the street just I think
might lend itself to it. Plus we've got
work there anyway. Um
>> new parking there as well.
>> Yeah. So that that's the one that makes
the most sense to me. Um, but I don't
know, and I guess I'm looking to you
guys for advice. Like, do we ask you to
look into this? This is not something
that's going to get done this year. I
know that. But like, how do we set the
wheels in motion on on this
conversation?
» We can certainly start the process
internally to start thinking about pros
and cons for that. But I think that at
your level that needs to be done too. I
think you guys need to take the pulse of
the community to find out if there's
truly any interest. And if there is,
what would what would your neighbors
think is the best part to have it at?
That kind of stuff. And and keep having
those conversations with them. And we
can maybe set set it on the agenda
a couple months from now and see where
everybody's gathered info and and come
back to that. Um because this will be a
building process to get it to a point
where we want to ask city admin to get
this on the proposed capital improvement
plan so that that can go to council
because these are big ticket items that
are going to need council's buy into.
>> What what would when does the next
planning cycle for that start? Capital
improvements.
Um really it seems like
December, January because those are all
being discussed February, March, April,
those things are all getting locked
down.
>> Um
>> okay. So that we we would if we want to
try try it first time, right? That time.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> All right. Yep. So you guys have that
data. The uh the URL to where all this
data comes from projectplay.org orange
is at the bottom of the lab u to send
this out in digital format to include it
discuss.
>> Yeah, we'll get that so that we can keep
that on file in case there's ever a a
public request for that.
>> Okay. Is there anything that we should
ask you to do at this point besides get
this on a future agenda or start to
socialize it within staff?
>> Do you need a motion to direct you to
something or no? Um, no, we don't need
any formal motion.
>> Okay. I
>> think we can just ask you guys to look
into it. Yeah.
>> Come back to us with some
>> generalities.
>> Yeah. So, you essentially direct staff
to to start looking into it and then you
guys will do the same.
>> There is excess land by Jackie Robinson
his lights. the parking behind on the uh
east side.
>> Yeah, it's true. It's just a bunch of
dirt
pipes.
>> Every time I try to use it, I get told
no. So, you guys want to give me
permission to use it? I'd be more than
happy.
>> I would give you permission to remove
those big pipes that are supposed to go
underground right there.
>> Yeah. I was told that's for the drainage
project to help with the camel back
road. And I asked when that project was
happening and everyone said those pipes
are still there.
>> Well,
>> yeah, they're they're secured very
nicely. Um
>> I will say that is the parking lot for
Jackie.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> there's a bunch of land.
>> Yeah.
>> On the other side of the parking lot, I
think.
>> So
>> that definitely isn't being utilized.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and we do have I know it wasn't on
here. It'll be in our next meeting, but
we are engineering wise, they are moving
the wall at Camelback Park starting in
September.
>> Um, so that's part of Keith's
engineering department. Um, but I'll
bring you guys at least something to
report on that once that project started
in September.
>> Awesome.
>> Thank you.
Yeah.
» Scout Park T-ball field presenter Trisha
Kramer, Community and Recreation
Services Director Action and Comment.
>> Thank you, Chairman Teddy and
Commissioners. Um, I'll just briefly
share a little bit of background and
then, um, Pat has been working on this a
bit, so I'll have him, uh, fill you in
on any details, too. But um we started
to discuss this back at our April
meeting. Um
we had on the um fiscal year 26 budget.
There was um a capital improvement
opportunity to uh do some upgrades and
add a T-ball field at Turtle Park.
initially was the recommendation from uh
city administration and staff uh did
some looking and went over there and got
some quotes and then uh went to some of
the other fields and we determined that
we have a back stop that's in better use
at Scout Park and uh took a look and
came to you in April essentially saying
hey what do you think about this
opportunity at Scout park and and having
the dirt in fields. And uh we received
your direction to take a look and uh
meet with people to see if there was a
better location than where the back stop
currently is to make the best use of the
park overall.
And so Pat met with a couple of vendors.
I know um public grounds crew also um
did some communicating with him on this.
and he's got some answers for you and uh
once you get that info from him, we're
looking for feedback from you guys on um
the proposed placement and layout.
Thank you, Trisha. So, um as Trisha
mentioned, I did have uh two companies
come out um and to take a look at um
Scout Park and where the placement would
be and what their thoughts were. Um I
know question was do we leave it
currently or is there another area that
we can move it to? Um so on the picture
you see now it's kind of what the final
plan was. Um we after looking at all the
areas that is going to be leaving it
where it's at is going to be the best
option. We did look if um at a corner
that's close that's behind the bushes
that that's between the park and the
parking lot at the wigwam to see if we
can move it that way and kind of facing
in and out that way. So because I know
um when we discussed this one of the
concerns was to you know having a
baseball field right that close to the
park as well as the the street and just
being wide out in the open and losing
kind of that grass area. The issue we
came there was that's where also all the
uh boxes and controls for the irrigation
were. So it would be a lot bigger
project to try to move those to a
different area to have that. Um so where
it's at now the irrigation it's a lot
easier to kind of just dig out the
irrigation, move the irrigation where
it's needed um and go from there. Um the
plan would be moving the back stop 10
feet as you could tell in the picture.
um closer to the the field to give it
the so it's not right up against the
sidewalk so the bleachers have an area
to go to. They will the company will
move that they will also dig it up and
then work with public grounds um uh when
it comes to irrigation. The company we
one of the companies said that it would
come at no cost where they dig it up
help supervise and work with them to get
the new irrigation where it needs to go
and have the holes there and everything
there. Um they would put the dirt down.
The dirt will go basically from the back
stop all the way to the grass line. And
then the grass line will be kind of a
smaller instead of like stags or jackie.
It'll be from home plate. And then it'll
be 50 uh yard 50 feet from home plate to
the grass line behind first and third
base and then 70 feet to the grass line
behind uh second base. So, um, we kind
of took I just took a screenshot of what
stags, um, the dirt is and kind of to
show you guys where that would be. Um,
they would also kind of extend the fence
and then put a dugout kind of like what
Stags has as well. So,
» that's this is stack superimposed off
scout. Yeah, that's just I took stags
parked and then just put it on the scout
to kind of show what where it would be.
obviously more of the dirt.
So the dirt will be it'll the whole
field will just be the dirt from the
back stop to the grass line and make it
kind of look like the field like we we
did at stags. Uh there we we're not
going to we're have going to have a
permanent home base in there, but we're
not going to do um the anchors or
anything like that for the bases. That's
more being T- ball. We just throw the
bases down and throw down bases and we
don't have to worry about um the anchors
getting torn out or played with or or
kids running on the field and tripping
on those. So
>> are and are you proposing a fences shown
on here past the dugout as well?
>> Um no. So the fence would just basically
add it on to the the the white line is
just basically showing where the grass
the the grass line would start from home
base. Um it it'll basically start from
just like it stags it go from the back
stop go all the way to where the end of
the dugout is and then that that's all
the fence will be.
>> So no extended fence past the dugout.
>> No. Yeah. Once the dugout's done the
fence will be right there.
>> Some of the dugouts I don't think it has
a dugout there now. Does it?
>> Stags does. Scout doesn't know. Scout's
just a but it would be like stags.
>> But it would be like stags. Yeah.
>> Where have a se it'll have a cement uh
pad and then just a bench and then it'll
just be a kind of fenced chain linked
around. Yeah.
» Sure. Um yeah, I could say I I like it
pushed out from where it currently is
because
>> I do like visually seeing that there's
space between the playground and like
where there will be the back stop and
everything. There's some cushion in
there and from the road. Um, so that
location looks pretty good from my viewpoint. Um,
might be beneficial before any like
final decisions are made to like go out
and tape like chalk it out just to get a
visualization.
But yeah, my my impression from the
picture I like what I'm seeing. does I
know that you've run two fields there in
the past I think for flag football right
so yeah flag football um would be moved
to turtle so you would you wouldn't be
able to run any flag there anymore
>> no because the two fields
right now we had to adjust one of the
fields for flag football because it we
weren't able to get the 300 feet well
when we they when they put the new
sidewalk in with the ramada it kind of that moving it to park would
give us back the possibility the full
300 and then putting here as well as uh
U6 soccer would move to scout as well in
the spring.
>> So there would be a multi-purpose for
the rest of that still.
>> Yeah. Basically whatever we have at at
turtle like the US soccer the t-ball we would move move to here and then
flack the ball would go to go to turtle
the grass area. I apologize if you just
answered this, but
moving the the T-ball over to scout,
does that then mean
that the only thing happening while the
T-ball is happening is the T-ball or can
you can you do T-ball on one side of the
field and something else on the other or
is it is that just too much?
>> That would be too much uh parking. It's
would still be we while we do have that
dirt lot by the scout scout lodge as
well as the parking on the side. Um I
think if we add more then the spots
would parking would still be kind of
become an issue at this time.
>> Parking is not easy there.
>> Yeah. For this park specifically, our
irrigation system needs to be
re-engineered because on that north end,
you're not even able to grow grass well
enough to play on because the pressure
is too low. And it's not low because of
Liberty. It's low because when this park
was designed or the staff through the
years modified it, there's too many
heads in one line or in one zone. So
this irrigation system has a booster
pump and it was also a booster pump that
was rated too small for this size
system. So this park inherently has an
irrigation system that is causing you
guys a lot of problems programming as
well. So um there's a bigger problem
there than just the baseball. But yeah,
the the fields where you would be able
to play were not even able to put the
grass green enough or dense enough for
people to play on without it being a
hazard.
Can we fix that as part of this?
Absolutely. This would be definitely
something that we could look at. Um,
like Pat's talking about. And if if it's
the direction we go where we're doing an
irrigation system with the field, moving
those valves and backflows while we're
doing that gives us more flexibility and
options. So, if that was something that
was keeping us from positioning the
field, if we're going to look at that
whole system as an entirety, we may be
able to grant ourselves some more
flexibility as well.
because the the ultimate go I see your
hand
commissioner G why don't you go first
then I'll
>> so I mean we're doing the system maybe
the where the valve boxes are today has
been moved um my initial concern with
the location was that we're taking one
of the most beautiful vantage points
into our park into you're looking at the
back of bleachers which aren't shown
here and a chain fence and I I
It seems to me like a downgrade to the
park where we're putting it. Um I don't
know whether we're open to reducing the
dugout impact or maybe not putting down
dirt. I never played t-ball, but my
neighbors that are very avid baseball
said you don't like te-ball and grass is
fine. Um, so I don't know is that are we
open to maybe not making such a hard
change to the view that not just the
neighbors but the people that are going
to be in the park closest to our city
center are going to have that bleachers
and Shamley the back of bleachers and
Shamley pensions.
And can I because this kind of um is
maybe is part of my thinking and what
you just said too. I feel like as well
like we're we're moving away from using
the field the little T-ball field
because that's the one I coached on when
um my kiddos were T-ball age. So the the
field at led pardon me.
we don't want to use that field I guess
because it's in just not great condition
but now that they're kind of opening up
to us a little bit more um or is what
you're proposing here in lie of using
that field for like a t-ball.
So this would be cuz right now currently
when so if we did this it'll kind of
open up a few other avenues where right
now we have winter t-ball um going on um
but for practices with the lighting we
use Jackie Robinson and so we have that
for the practices where as well as using
Jackie Robinson for the games at five
and six and then we use stags for the
three and four uh t-ball age group. If
we get another field, um that would open
up a chance to be able to get do another
coach pitch season in the winter where
coach pitch 78 would go winter as well,
do practices just like we have been
doing, but they would coach pitch would
be on Saturdays at Jackie and then we
would be able to move the older T-ball
to this field. Um and then when we do
close other parks for overseating it
goes from
you know the three and four year old is
on stags when we close that it goes to
t-ball where then we move that to turtle
where it's just all grass and they still
can play with it but the ball doesn't
roll and once it hits the grass it does
slow it down and it doesn't roll like it
normally would. So they go from a field
and we've have had some parents asking
why it goes from a baseball field to the
grass area because I mean it's three and
four and they still hit it and they
still run but the ball doesn't roll like
it would on a normal baseball field. You
could still play on it. It's not saying
the grass is anything like a bigger
difference but it does obviously slow
the ball down compared to what a
baseball field is. it is a higher
maintenance cost and tougher to keep
straight and with the dirt at you have
more applications for not just t-ball
and lily but softball as well. So yeah,
we've a lot of the larger parks from the
municipalities that I've come from have
done away from the infield skins that
grass design. So yeah, it's just been
that open kind of dirt.
I I I I understand Kristoff's point
about, you know, from Lichfield Square
to the viewpoint there. That's that's
not a a gorgeous view on the back of
Bleachers. And I don't think I I'm I'm
getting old and it's been a long time
since I coached 34T ball, but I don't
remember there being bleachers at Stags.
>> Well, they're
bleachers now.
>> They're not big.
>> They're not like back stop. It's like a
little
>> free
>> and and I think 85% of parents bring a
chair.
>> Um we do have bleachers for scout and
turtle. Okay.
>> Um we have them at stags now to give the
option park.
>> Uh they're not there.
>> They're we have them for turtle. We
they're in the yard.
>> I think the happy medium, you know, is not maybe maybe without bleachers
there. So that it's, you know, and that
probably helps with milling and all that
kind of fun stuff, right?
>> Um, but then it also keeps, you know, a
nice view, you know, the chain link that
you see through it. And, you know, we
would expect to see dirt on the infield
of a baseball field. That's fine. But
maybe there's a happy medium there.
in your well in this summary here it says that companies were talked to
and both of them said that this is the
best way to to do it but what were they
evaluating it based on I mean is that
based on cost or functionality of the
baseball field and I mean I would assume
that they were not evaluating it based
on how it looks from across the street.
>> Yeah. No, they they were it was based on
the cost of um work that would have to
be entail of either moving this
irrigation or this irrigation. That's
kind of they weren't looking at what's
going to be obviously the view and
everything. It's just more cost
efficiency.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean I I definitely agree that I don't love the idea from a like a view
point. I think that there's like if you
were to put the field
to the east pointing the other
direction, you know, it's T-ball, so
you're not going to have balls flying
off over the back stop to where it would
be like a hazard to the building that's
going to go there eventually and it
would just open up the park more
>> or the what we talked about. I know that
the the the boxes are there, but if my
logic is flawed, let me know if the
pressure if our water source is on the
south side and we have a pump that's
insufficient to reach the north side
where we have these boxes and the gopher
absolute destruction up there with the
hills that are now Swiss cheese. Um,
wouldn't the park look a lot better if
we weren't looking at it the field from
the back but the other direction? Like
because I I want like having the space
to play is great. I want to have the
space. I'm not trying to say no T- Bowl.
It's just where it is is just giving me
a lot of consternation. Um and and
putting it on the opposite side
diagonally seems like it would give us
the space and allow us to take care of
the area that is the most problematic
inside the park.
» I don't know that it affects that lodge.
>> Reduce the noise pollution.
Maybe maybe spread the parking out a
little bit. I know people will try to
park in that wigwam parking lot to
access it, but
>> it'll take maybe some of the playing
space away from the homes in the Loma
Avenue. You know, your foul balls aren't
landing in front yards or down the road
anymore. No kids running into a street
to go and grab a foul ball. out.
>> And I would imagine that from a a
proposal standpoint that that wasn't a
proposed option given you would almost
have to redesign the irrigation system
to completely move the field when you
already have material somewhat there. Um
but if cost wasn't an issue and we were
just dreaming and saying what do we want
it to look like? Um that makes a lot of
sense to me in that quarter.
I know there was a hand up here, too.
Did you get to
>> Well, I mean, I'm just talking about the
aesthetic part of it. I'm not so focused
on the location, but it's a park and in
parks are ball fields and I don't find
the back stop at Turtle Park Offensive.
I don't find the backs stop and the
little bleachery things at Stag Park
Offensive. I mean, it's part of our
parks. We have so many kids. Our
programs are growing all the time.
And the people in the square really I
don't think are going to be offended if
they look to that north direction and
see, oh gosh, there's a ball field
there. That's great. They've got kids
outside playing. So, I mean, the the
location of it, that might be something
that has to be moved, but I just it
doesn't bother me at all from the
aesthetic. I don't I don't mean to imply
that it's going to offend people, but
that when we put something in the park,
I'd rather be looking at the front into
it and not closing off the view, right?
So, I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just
saying I think there's a more
aesthetically pleasing location that
might also take care of well, if we're
having problem getting water up there,
let's put something where we're not
going to want water, which is a clay
infield up there. But just remember,
you've got houses up there that did not
want anything happening in that park. A
lot of it.
>> I understand. But that's I mean, okay,
we were not going to do anything then
because someone doesn't want it
happening in the park, but we can't let
one one house control that we put in the
park.
>> So, I will say that up here where this
the arrow is, that's all hills,
>> right? They're Swiss cheese hills.
>> Just Yeah,
>> it' be easy to top down. Christos could
do it. Are
>> my original Yeah. My original thought
when we looked at we did look at here as
I mentioned where the the back stop
would be here and then the field would
be going going in that direction
>> to try to kind of keep this big grass
area. But like I said the issue is like
right here is where all the controllers
and the boxes are where if we put a
field there they looked at more cost
efficiency and stuff of having to move
all that. Um, it would be a lot more
costefficient to keep it where it is
because there's a lot less equipment for
the irrigation to have to
>> shift
control in the middle of my football
field years ago. Pat
>> they didn't care back then.
» So if we don't if we don't want one
backyard looking at a back stop, why do
we want two houses looking directly at
one street? I mean, I don't I don't
logic.
>> Yeah, it's one
>> less from like an
>> I mean, I [clears throat] think it's
that aesthetic, but I was thinking about
it more from like closing off the park
because you got the playground on the
corner and you have the T-ball field
there.
Like, kids aren't going to go around the
T-ball field to go play in the open
space. like it's going to have a dirt
field right there, right next to the the
playground instead of had an open field
there. Be more encouraging for kids to
go play in the open field and then have
play, you know, the the baseball field
somewhere else. And I mean, I think I
remember that field being right on the corner of Loma and Fairway, right
where all the golf carts were going
past. And it looks like it was just
pushed up when that park was built just
because that's where it was. And I I
mean I understand putting it where it is
because of the controllers, but it
sounds like we have a bigger problem.
And I don't know why we would put the
controllers in the middle of the park.
Like that seems like a problem that's
going to have to be fixed at some point.
>> So it's the same in Camelback, right?
There's the there's a control
like right in the middle.
>> Yeah. Yeah, which is fun when you're
running a step off control box.
>> And I have no idea if that was designed
that way or if that was a modification
through the last 25 years. Um, but those
are irrigation systems that we're hoping
to audit and identify which is our one
worth investing in the most. Um, because
they're all have some history to them
just like that. Um, so anytime I can
pair in on a project where we're willing
to throw some money in and get it
addressed, you know, systematically
throughout the whole park, this is the
type of opportunity where that would
make sense to pair that money together.
>> There used to be volleyball and
basketball over there.
>> Yeah.
>> So the
>> there's a great basketball court over
there. The best one.
>> Yep.
>> That's really good.
>> You had your hand.
>> I did. And I just a couple is part of
the reason that because you mentioned
being able to expand these programs. So
I'm assuming if we're expanding it to
say softball older kids, they're going
to hit a lot harder and a lot farther
than T-ball is hitting. So is is part of
the reason for this selection that
because it I mean if we move it to that
top there, we've got a backyard right
there that could hit a window of for a
foul ball or whatever it may be. And
then on this side over here, that's
where the issue is up against like the
Reds parking lot. I know that's where
the irrigation issues are, but you've
also got that house right there and cars
right there. So foul balls again are
going to go on there. So I'm just I was
just curious if that was part of why
that area was sort of looked at to be
able to expand the programs that we can
offer.
>> So the this park would just be used for
our T-ball. Our older age groups would
still be at Jack the other ones. Okay.
Um, we would use that for our 78 coach
pitch, but this would just be our
>> T-ball field. So, it wouldn't be any big
hitters, anything like that. Um,
it was just basically like I like I
mentioned when looking at where the
controllers were and the works.
>> So, essentially it'll look like
Park. It'll be the playground little
area. Here's your thing. It's just
backwards
>> kind of backwards
>> essentially, right? Like instead of
driving, you know, you know, it's open
and then you see it. So I just so I can
visualize it a little bit better.
>> Yeah, everybody likes
>> essentially flipping.
>> Yeah,
>> stag is what we're doing. Okay,
>> I am all for that because I live by
stag. And I see I see the benefits of
the parents who have multiple children
and their little ones can be on the
field. You've got your other ones right
here at the playground and there's not
this trying to be in two places at once.
Um I think that there is a definitely a
way to make this look um appealing to
everyone. I think one of my favorite
things about going to bigger cities,
like you walk through New York and you
see these little pop-ups all over the
place and it's probably one of the
neatest things that you see because
people can play. I think that showing
people from outside the community that
we care enough to have a little te-ball
field for our little ones and another
field for our older ones, I think will
help more than hurt because they'll want
to come in here. Um, I know that it's in
an area that's becoming more and more
uh driven through and and walked through
and all of that kind of stuff, but I I
think that there's a way to do it and
have it work for the T-ball kiddos and and anybody that wants to play there
because I know at SAG if if there's not
already somebody using it, there's this
one dad and son who go out pitching
practice every single day, either
morning or night, every single day, we
see them out there doing it. So, I think
that we would see more of our community
using it in in that way, especially on
that side because the north side doesn't
have one like we do on on this side. So,
I think I do think that there's there's
a balance there that that could could be
found for that one.
>> I'm good. That was longwinded and I
agree. I think what's I think what's not
sitting right with me about it is that is you put the T-Bo court in that
spot with the Derfield you can no longer
use the rest of the field for anything.
>> Why for sports
>> for other sports and programming where
if you put it somewhere else you could
still have I mean in that map you see
the soccer field there
>> but it's not going to fit anywhere else.
>> You're chopping off less red tape.
we would still be able to put our U6
soccer fields and run two two soccer
fields on there at the younger age. Um
it's kind of like with with stags, it
does have
>> just going the other direction across
the controllers.
>> Yeah. Um even even when you move it up
there, I mean you could put the the
field
the U6 is really 90 by 90 feet. So the
farther closer the houses and as well I
put it on there where we've had that
flag football field and then we had two
uh U6 fields right next right next to it
too. So the turning of where the T- ball
is, if we kept it where it's at, we
would still be able to do two uh soccer
two soccer fields for our U6
is pretty small. Those fields
that
it's just because we don't have the
soccer goals there as it is kind of like
a turtle where just flag would go to
turtle and then
>> soccer would come here in the spring.
Um, but it it won't be it'll be somewhat
like stags where you have the baseball
field and then the soccer. Can we get
lights with the T-ball field? Kiss it.
>> Can we light it?
» Do we
>> are we trying to to do this for a
specific season?
>> Like do we need to move this now to get
it ready for winter?
>> No. by at this at this time. It's this
is just this kind of the start of doing
it. Um it wouldn't be for this season.
Um
>> year basically.
>> Yeah.
When we switched gears away from
Turtle Park um that um was taken off of
the capital improvement plan because
we're in the re-evaluating stages. So
this is to find out if this is something
you're interested in and want us to
pursue.
adding back into that capital
improvement plan.
But at the new location of Scout Park
versus Turtle Park,
>> you know, I would I would say that
I don't know. I'm going to try to speak
for I'm try to summarize what we're
saying here.
>> If it's not right, like we we like it,
but we don't like it forever. Maybe it
is something that we just
do
with the expectation that when
something's built in the corner
or at some point hopefully in the near
future that we do something with the
whole park to make it more usable and
approachable and friendly and not I mean
kind of a lot of empty space that isn't
really used with like a weird small
children playground around that's half a
mile away from any parking and no
bathrooms.
Since I guess we don't require um a
decision at this point and we're talking
about next year's capital improvement
project, is there maybe an opportunity
for us to weigh in on all the potential
capital improvement options that we
would consider, whether that be the
Hills Park, um this lighting maybe even
or whatever else we might consider in
terms of capital improve improvement and try to prioritize these things
instead of like doing it up and down on
one item at a time.
>> I from what I'm hearing and you guys
were hearing it, it sounds like you guys
have decided now that this priority
which was a priority is now back in the
shuffle. And for us, I think maybe you
guys correct me if I'm wrong, it would
help us if you guys maybe rep
prioritized and told us since this one
is now maybe not top priority given the options that we have, what would be
the top priority instead of
>> Yeah, I don't think we had input into it
being in the capital improvement budget
in the first place.
So that would tell you that it wasn't
our top priority. I don't think we had
an opportunity to make a priority list
last time around.
I mean, I do like that like we've had a
lot of interest in the T-Bo program.
Pat's telling us all the time and I do
like improving our program for our
sports.
Like I don't think any of us disagree
with that like making the is the sports
program better. It's it's more just the
way
>> I so feel like it's part of a master
plan part like it's not like It feels
like we're throwing it there because we
Yeah, let's have a theme ball park, but
like it's like I think this park is
weird, right?
>> It's reactionary without a full plan
>> and like is it just going to get undone
in five years when we decide to do
something else with that, you know? I
mean, just
>> it probably will honest like cuz
>> why from turtle?
>> What's that? What would be like
>> why didn't why because this was
originally going to go at Turtle and I
can't remember why that got squashed.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I think it was a couple of reasons.
That back stop at Turtle
>> is in disrepair and the one at Scout is
in great condition and T-ball size.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
>> Yeah. And then also um when we talked
there was some considerations about the
aesthetic of coming into the community
at that location. That's a big inn and
out area to enter Lichville Park and
there were some concerns about how that
dirt lot would look there at Turtle
Park.
>> So now it's going to another So the
concern sounds like because it's going
to another main area. I'm just afraid
that we're going to hear the same thing
because I I remember that being talked
about the street.
>> I don't disagree. I was just curious
about that because I thought that that
was part of the problem before, but I I couldn't completely remember. Yeah,
>> I didn't like the one Turtle Park
because it was so close to that.
>> Too close to the road. I agree.
>> That main road
with with Pat's, you know, how much he
works with all of our sports and field
scheduling, all this kind of stuff. I'm
curious to hear like what's your opinion
on this Pat?
you work with us more than any of us
probably, right?
>> Yeah. So, I think and also another thing
why we we chose Scout was for because we
have used it in the past for T-Bo when
we had to close and we thought um to
kind of change it from Turtle Park being
right there by the main road and main
entrance. This was still somewhat tucked
in and away from where people kind of
enter. Um, granted, yes, there is the
across the street going to be the
parking lot and so people would see it,
but it's still not one of the parks by
the main entrances. Um, I think
obviously this is a good area for that
because
we do have, you know, the shape of the
park right now where the grass area is,
it is tough and it to put bigger size
fields like the flag football where we
do have we did extend the flag football
to do a
uh older age group to go 10 to 12. So we
have a nine age group. they're following
right after them. So you're going to
have one game you could be at a full 300
and then the next game I mean if you
look at it doesn't look that much
different but it's still like probably
about 30 feet shorter than the other
because we were not able to fit two
fields at scout which you know it does
come into play in the fall because we
moved both flags footballs there because
for the because of overseating and then
it's there in the spring because the
soccer is being used for count back in
Aleppo. So by moving the here instead of
at Turtle, we are possibly able to put
two football fields at that location
that are the same size so that if you
are the 8 to9 age group, you are playing
on the same size field rather than one
week a bigger field, one week the other
field.
>> So a putting a T-ball field at Scout
Park is helpful for your facilities
usage.
B, do you agree with putting it in that
corner from a standpoint of families and
access and parking and all of the above?
>> You have the parking it is if you by
putting it where it's at, you have the
parking that's across the street by the
current lodge where it's a shorter walk
if you and it's a lot and I've found
this out with Aleppo. We you still try
to open up the parking lot by the
baseball fields in Millennium to try to
help with that. People still park there
because it's a long walk. I know it's
thinking about it, it's not that far. If
you and in hindsight of it, but if it's
a shorter walk, it's going to be a lot
easier for parents to use. You still
have the kids with the younger age
groups where if child if they're not
playing T-ball, they're at the
playground while their kid parents are
watching it. So, right there, it's the
closer uh proximity as well to the
playground would be. It's kind of like
with stags, we do have parents that they
are watching their kids, but there are
other kids that are playing on the
playground right behind there. So that
location does kind of remedy all sides
of it aspects of that too. So I think
the sum of it for now is we're not it's
disallocated from capital improvement.
In the interim, we can do t- ball on the
grass because there's no other choice.
There's no money to be spent on it now
and we need to go into a new capital
improvement
pole and have overall priorities for
that we think were right for the
community. Is that
>> Yeah. Even if we go to the planning for
budget season and we make this ask if if
you guys were all good with it, even if
we make the ask, that doesn't guarantee
that that's going to be put on fiscal
year 28 budget or and it doesn't
guarantee even if it's put within the
five years of budget that council is
ultimately going to say this is a
strategic priority as well. So, I mean,
this is now the the time to discuss what
you guys are interested in. We I mean,
we're coming with you with with ideas.
It doesn't mean that you have to accept
them. They're just thoughts that come to
us through our programming needs. And
again, this may be a great opportunity
while public grounds is is re-evaluating
some of their uh grounds and how they're
handling irrigation to say what do we
ultimately want to do with this
particular park or with each of our
parks? What do we see the needs of the
community at each of these parks being?
So maybe these are the discussions that
you as a commission want to start having
so that we can keep taking those back to
city administration and city council.
>> I think to your point earlier Schwarz is
that like we ought we didn't we're doing
things peace meal point.
>> So whatever we decide that we are
spending the taxpayers money on we ought
to say that's the thing that's the part
that fits into the greater hole.
that we've designed for the next 10
years lest we go and move it somewhere
for now and move it somewhere else
later. None of that's free.
I agree. I mean I think at a bare
minimum we do this but we should try to
do more you know as a part of the whole
especially knowing about the irrigation
issues.
>> Are there is this the only park that has
like irrigation revamp as part of a plan
that we ought to consider or is that a
concern elsewhere?
>> There's not exactly a plan is the
problem. It's currently an audit and
then I'm going to present the exactly
like you said the priority list and
someone's going to tell me yes to those
three which fits in the budget. Um
because currently all of our systems
besides LS are probably at least close
to 20 years old.
>> So I guess my question is where are you
going to tear stuff up anyway? you know,
and
>> and the question I was going to ask is,
you know, you you've talked about
programming this weird space. Why are we
trying to fit more into it? What if we
just use the space around it and it's
just a square? It's easier for me to to
maintain. It's easier to engineer a
system around a rectangle and it's
easier for you to program fields within
a rectangle as well. So, for me, I don't
consider irrigation. I don't consider
the the back stop. I look at the shape
of the park and what is the overall
picture of it and we can't decide
because it's in a weird shape
[clears throat] right now and we need to
lay the the base layer the
infrastructure for people and
commissioners years to come to make
those decisions. Right now I feel like
the infrastructure is not worth
investing in until we correct that.
So what what would be the first step in
initiating the T-Buff or the I guess it
would be for next spring, but would it
just be a matter of
directing the directing you guys to
investigate or to take to counsel? Is
that what it would be?
I think what I'm hearing from you guys
as a commission as a whole is you want
you're thinking more how are we using
each of our parks or how do we envision
the community using
Camelback and Scout and Stags.
It feels like a a a bigger discussion.
You're right. It's if it's coming at you
peace meal and we're starting to think
now how can we get the big picture of
all of our parks and and what do we want
for them in general and then obviously
public grounds and whatever they take
care of plays into that. Programming
plays into that. Free play and community
use play into that. and and
that's where you guys can help us
identify
what is the city envision for each
park's use.
>> And from my internal understandings from
the new Hilltop Park that's being
designed or has 100% design phase, no
one wants no, let me back up.
>> The intent for that park is to not be as
recreationally programmable as these
parks are. So for me, this is an
opportunity aesthetically aside where
you should reinvest into the
recreational aspects of your parks
because your future parks that we're
building, we're not necessarily building
these amenities in them. We're not going
to have a chance to revamp them then.
>> Yeah,
>> we've got between so the budget cycle
for planning starts December, January,
we essentially have four more meetings
that we got to figure out how we do
something in that time span, right?
Because then we just come next month and
go like, "Yeah, we should talk about
that some more." Another month goes by.
So, how do we structure that whether
it's a working session or something else
so that we can plan a park or at least
have an idea of what we would like to
present as viable like wise use of
funds. Um, this fits into the larger
plan proposals for capital improvement.
I don't That's maybe we should speak to
next month with
or do a working session between then
like I don't know I think we should
approach that.
>> I think as a commission like we don't
totally understand
>> the issues with thesebody
pay grade
>> not to be funny but
>> sure. Yeah. But like so what do we do to
say not our problem?
>> I think we have options. I I think an
option is to say, okay,
>> we can suggest to council or ask council
to inquire or something to this effect
what what goes into
the transition to the T-ball field and
scout in the corner where it's
designated now. And then while that
investigation is being done, then we're
I guess still waiting for that
information. But when we get that
information,
we would then be suggesting to move
forward with
build the T-ball field there.
I think though I thought we said that
we'd like to kind of envision the plan
for the whole park the long term. I I
don't know that it's worth doing
something short term. Is it more
important to understand what the
longterm plan is for the park? Well, and
especially if Kevin starts moving
irrigation equipment in there. If that
happens,
>> he says, "I got to tear this whole park
up." You guys got to blink slakes. It's
all got to go.
>> Well, and that's how this park started
like 15 years ago. If you remember,
>> it was sort of just we're just going to
do this and see what happens because we
have to do something. We can't have
dirt. There was other
>> Yeah, there were other things, but you
know, it was sort of a a we got to do
something now. And that's what they did.
So, could you still play there, Pat? If
like now, could you play T-ball there on
the grass? You can, right?
>> I do. Yeah, that's this is where
with overseeing we do use it. It just
comes down to uh placement. I mean,
right now we have it worked out where I
could just use uh
turtle and stuff, but flag does move
there for for that, but I would be able
to do a probably a season and stuff
there. Um it's just eventually would
need to go to a field some at some point
and stuff. Right.
>> Yeah, because I I can see that there's a
need because of numbers and shifting and
grass and everything for this. So, I
mean, we don't want to step on your toes
completely because of that.
>> No, I mean this by by doing this, it
would really just kind of open up the
winter coach Fitch season where um as I
mentioned, obviously it's a when we go
to Turtle Park or anything like that
from Stags Park, it's only like a couple
weeks. So, it's not really a big issue
of going from a field to the grass, but
having all seven games or something from
grass and make it work. And if that's
something that we have to do for until
then, we could. It's just it' be nice to
have kind of a T-ball field, especially
for the younger age groups
>> or that five and six that you know, hey,
this is what it is. Yeah.
>> Developmental and it is a different feel
from baseball field to just a grass. So,
Do we have the possibility to do a work
study where we can get some outreach or
some citizen input that would give us
some of that direction into this
specific park and what their the
community is looking for or what their
wish or direction would be because maybe
that's momentum to pair into this
project and we turn it into an overall
CIP of the this park itself paired
[snorts] with the field paired with the
irrigation system paired with a new
design that's more functional. Um, but
I'd be curious just to see what the
residents and the people who are using
it, what they would be interested in.
Maybe we could start with doing
something online
and just getting input on it. You know,
we're starting to look at Scout Park
and, you know, the SC new Scout Lodge is
going in and what what do you think? you
know, and maybe we could get it from our
social media and stuff like that first.
» Feel like to go to the public, they
should at least have some options or
>> I don't want to just open
the floodgate.
>> That'll be the first.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> Um, so yeah. Is that something that we
could do with Yosha? Is that something
that we would do in a work study?
>> Survey time, baby. I'm new here, so just
excuse.
>> We've done surveys before. In fact, we
had a survey for this very park. I think
>> Yeah, we sure did.
>> 15
going into southeast corner
>> basketball number five and we didn't do
it and we were supposed to do the top. I
think we'll have staff get together um
the departments that doing something
like this would affect with with um
wreck and grounds and planning and our
um city engineer. Um and talk about what
things at that park
would our specific departments benefit
from having or um
what is hindering us. each department
wise from making best use of this
particular park. And once we have that,
we could talk to city admin and and see
if
um he would want to have your commission
do a work study or if they want to
further have um internal staff
discussions before we get to that stage
yet. because it sounds like there's a
lot more pieces than just this
playground that we really need to think
about.
>> And am I right in that we'd probably
like to hear what the what if there is
like a 10-year plan or, you know,
fiveyear plan on the parks in general. I
mean, I think Pat's done a really good
job of saying, you know, to have this
T-ball increases our programming
capacity and here's why. But I think
what we're looking for is maybe how that
fits into the
>> big picture. the big picture
>> when you want to look out. I mean the
trends are they're borrowed from pro
sports and again girls
black football especially girls black
flag football is growing right that's
like so we're going to talk about
programs in the future we should look at
that as something that's accommodating
>> I don't know with tennis I don't know
that we put more tennis courts in that
might be very difficult
but there's I mean there's a whole half
of the park that's not being used and I
understand like I mean it used to be a
big square
with just basketball and volleyball out
there
>> and then a weird tiny playground.
>> Yeah.
>> And now I mean it's cut I know they cut
off the corner for building a community
center or Scout Lodge or some
combination of that. But that's been put
on hold.
>> No, it's being built.
>> It is.
>> Uhhuh. Scout Lodge.
>> Scout Lodge. Yep.
>> Oh, good.
>> Southeast corner of Scout Lodge.
>> Yeah. Right. Well, then it's time to
start thinking about the park. Yeah.
What's the rest of
>> the so much less on hold because we
don't know what's going to happen.
>> Yeah.
>> But if that's going forward
>> in maybe that would be a good
>> Do we have um uh at least the the Scout
Lodge like how that's going to sit on
there? I know we've seen it over the
years at this point, but I don't know.
>> I have a picture of it in my email.
>> How long ago was it?
>> Uh last week.
>> Oh, okay.
Right on.
>> So is the action to table this until we
have more information about the future
of the park?
>> Yeah, I think Teresa's suggestion to
work get more info for us from their end
from the professionals and you know just
get those pieces and maybe bring them
back to us and then that will help us go
okay this is really what we need to do.
Yeah, we'll coordinate internally on
discussions about timing like what when
is the timing estimated for scout lodge?
What is ideal timing for redoing
irrigation and infrastructure? What is
best for sports? I mean, I think for for
us for sports, we can kind of piggyback
on all these other bigger things. So, u
pushing forward like you said, as much
as we would love to have it, we can also
be re realistic and know that um there
might be better timing for it.
>> I do think it's it's probably best to do
like a two prompt and have part of it
just for now even though you know it's
not great because we're going to have
camel back park that's extended and I
know that's you know priority
but we could start planning this
But like I don't want to delay expanding
our programs for two, three years. If we
can just pull out a piece of the dirt
and move this thing and it's 10 grand
and we get, you know, two extra years of
programming and
>> grand we all go out and work on it
together this
» maybe.
>> Right. Yeah. And I have to bring a
couple guys.
>> Yeah.
>> This got pl there's not 10 grand for it
right now anyway. whatever it is.
>> Yeah. But I just I just mean that I
don't think we should like we should
look at we should do it too prompt. Like
we should look at the overall picture of
it, but also like it's not a huge
project to put in a dirt infield and
move the back stop 10 ft.
Like that's that's not a huge it's not a
huge thing. It's not much different than
it is now.
And and you were looking to begin
programming on these fields in the
springtime, correct?
>> No, this was just once once I we got
word that you guys gave the okay and
then council or where would the next
process give the okay, it I don't have
anything set in planned this current
fiscal year to start that.
>> It's not on this year's capital
improvement budget. So it' be a a
looking forward kind of thing.
>> We got time.
>> That was kind of my point home. We've
got book December. We want to weigh in
on capital improvement stuff. We need to
start thinking about that now. Yeah.
>> Whether it's this park or just generally
speaking like if you had
>> one dropped quarter million dollars in
our pocket, where would we spend it? I'm
not saying we have that kind of money,
but like that's how we should think
about it.
>> Yeah. I think this is the next park that
needs a re redesign
for sure and we should look at overall
design for it.
>> Is there anything else? We don't need
input on anything else we're doing for
counterback. I mean it's grass to the
wall, right? It's like as the plan.
>> No, it's not grass to the wall finally
because we're not going to redo the
stucco every year. Um, we're going to
have a walking path where some
>> are because the water and the stucco
just aren't a great mix.
>> But it's but it's like it's okay. It's
we know what we're doing.
>> Yeah. We're not going to adjust the
landscaping essentially. We're just
widening the wall, creating a buffer
walking path, and then potentially uh
replanting any trees that were
disturbed.
>> Yeah, they actually
>> that we are in the process of reordering
because uh we need a new style. So yeah,
I've been reaching out to all those
vendors this week.
>> So is there anything else we need to
kind of say to move on from this?
>> No, talked about it enough.
>> So, but to Kristoff's point, can we
>> can we put it on next month's agenda to
review
capital improvements that impact the
parks? And that we can at least give our
recommendations on what's upcoming.
>> Yeah. and review to the information that
Trisha will bring us.
>> That's spring stuff. Oh, no. That's
good. You mean like
>> Sorry, I'm getting things mixed up.
Which information?
>> Well, she was going to talk to the staff
and the
>> what the priorities are. I think was
kind of a driving and we'll review our
>> give you an update next as to where
we're at
>> and the plans for Scout Lodge is going
to be shared with us as well.
>> Yeah, you can see my phone.
>> Well, never mind.
Yeah, I don't know. You guys seem to be
closer in the loop than us. I've heard
Scout Lodge is coming and going both
ways. So, um, as of this week, I now
hear it's back on. Two weeks ago, it
wasn't. I Yeah, I'm
>> I'm gonna wait till I see ground broken
until I
>> But the the construction is great timing
with this park and renovations for
>> Why is that parking?
>> Should we move along, Anthony?
>> I think we can. Are there any other
points that anybody wants to make before
we do any questions or
>> we want to look at capital improvements
at some point or like overall not I'm
not talking about scouts park
specifically just overall is that
something we want to put on the agenda?
I think that's a good idea because I
think it helps give context to, you
know, how we would make the decision on
>> construction
or
» you know where we are guys.
Commissioners report on current events.
I know everybody wants to go first.
» Are you ready?
>> I'm ready. All right. Um the Fourth of
July celebration was fantastic. It was
packed and it was great and um I think
it turned out really well. Um I I heard
a lot of good buzz about that. Um you
can tell how hard you guys are working
everywhere because it it shows it shows
in every every corner of of all the
different areas of Witchfield that you
guys are are working your butts off and
that certainly um shows. But I'm going
to bring up what I always bring up and
that is crosswalk right here. crosswalk
on desert speed bumps old fielda desert
where they're needed. So because I'm not
gonna not bring up the chance to I'm all
done.
>> Right on sir.
I would love to see painting on the
streets to slow down the traffic to make
the lanes
narrow
so speed bumps just always
>> I know I know I hear about it but me
living on a corner where it's speed
demons I would not be sad to see them
there.
» Kevin, I appreciate you being here. I
think you breathed new life into our
commission. We're kind of getting ahead
of ourselves a little bit, but I look
forward to seeing what you're doing,
Trisha. I appreciate you guys stuff.
>> Thank you. At home court, I know.
» I'm good. Thank you guys.
>> Uh, notwithstanding all the storm
damage, things are looking nice. I'm
looking forward to the the I appreciate
the damage before the beauty on on
again. How apparently your yard looks
similar to mine. if you were picking up
on that my horrible credit situation.
But um
>> yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I I just want to
echo like said that I really do
appreciate that something you do.
Thanks,
» Mr. Cobra.
>> Uh yeah, I also I was at the sparkle in
the square. It was a good event. So good
job to staff on that. Fireworks were
>> excellent this year. They work great and
yeah um
urge everyone to continue to use engage
LP. I think it um maybe prior to the
storm. I haven't looked at it this week
but you can go on there and even look
and see what other people have
committed. So you can see what the
resolution was and different things and
>> so it's it's it's good just to get kind
of an idea too of what other people are
observing in the city but also
>> we can submit things.
>> Can you guys see the map from your end?
>> Y so you can see all through the city.
Okay.
>> Yeah, you can you can filter it by ones
that have already been closed. You go
back and look at it. So, it's it's
pretty neat. Um,
>> no, it's it's an app.
>> Yeah, if you go to the app store, engage
LP there.
>> Yeah. And I think usage from what I saw
kind of went dwindled down after it
first launched. It kind of went down,
but it sounds like it picked back up
with the storm.
>> We're having to um remind people and we
still are getting some calls and some
walk-ins, but uh we're happy to take
them just with the runner. forget, you
know, and the the blast that we put out
on our social media after the storm just
for doing the clay fix and the waste
management. Oh, that was huge because
that was like our number one thing.
Everyone wanted to report it to us.
You're like, "Well, you can do it
yourself."
>> Yeah. Yeah. And here's
>> nothing else to report. Right on.
>> Um I would just I mean I was so
impressed at how quickly you guys were
on things after that horrible storm. So
much much appreciated there. And I sort
of feel like we've bumped everything up
a level. Like I don't know. It's just I I'm very impressed.
>> The guys are trying hard. They're really
excited about all the changes we're
making.
>> But lots of places like we have Yosha
now and we have um Chris, right? You
know, we're going in big steps in major
improvements.
>> You guys will get to meet Ed hopefully
next week. Our streets. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, just Yeah. And with the
hilltop happening, it's like look out.
>> Our little city's growing.
>> So, just a big compliment to the city
and all the planning that went into the
library. I got to go over for the um
opening ceremony and it was a blast.
There were cookies in the shape of
things that would be you fitting for a
library. So, if you think of like, oh,
would it be a book? Yeah, there was a
book cookie. There was a bookworm
cookie, I think, too.
>> Yeah, it was super deep. Yeah. Yeah.
There's all kinds of neat stuff there.
And um the school next to it, I got to
tour that, too. I got a kiddo who's
going there. And it's just such a cool
hilltop. And I keep saying, you know, we
should definitely set up a tour up there
for us to kind of check out the um but
maybe we'll just wait till it's closer
to being done. That
>> there's a lot of dump trucks traffic the
last time you guys made the request. I
had a hard time getting there. Um I did
have that actually as a request for last
time. If you guys like I can still
who would I communicate with to set that
up
>> through Randy?
>> Okay.
>> Um I will get with Randy to contact with
you guys and I will be happy to take you
guys on a tour because it's very much
open now. The large pile of dirt is gone
and even my perspective going up there
has changed because you know I would go
up there and turn around there's this
big pile of dirt. I'm like okay we're up
here.
>> Yeah. Well, now you can actually see the
view and it's impressive and I didn't
get to experience the view the first
couple of months. So, um I'd be happy to
take you guys up there to see that.
>> Right on. And you know, we could just
figure out what our availability is. And
if we can do it, we can do it. If not,
if it's only like half of the
commission, that'd be great, too. And
it's much appreciated.
>> And I'll try to give you guys like a
couple of days with a couple of time
options just that way if it all doesn't
fit, you guys can kind of dictate when's
the better window for you. That works
out great and all is appreciated, man. I
know this is not um it's it's got to be
a pretty crazy job when all these storms
come in, you know, and looks beautiful.
Everything's looking great.
>> Awesome. Thank you. No, it uh makes the
days go by short, so long day, but it's
a fast day, so get it over with.
>> Finally. All right, guys.
That only leaves one thing.