[0:00] We're going to call the the meeting to
[0:03] order. Please rise for the pledge of
[0:06] allegiance.
[0:08] >> Sorry, you're good.
[0:11] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:14] United States of America and to the
[0:17] republic for which it stands, one nation
[0:20] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:23] justice for all.
[0:37] Paul to the community. This is the time
[0:39] for citizens who would like to address
[0:40] the commission on any non-aggenda item.
[0:43] Action taken as a result of public
[0:45] comment will be limited to asking staff
[0:47] to review the matter, asking that the
[0:49] matter [clears throat] be put on a
[0:51] future agenda, or responding to
[0:53] criticism. We do have
[0:57] Mrs. Beverly, Gary, I said it right. And
[1:02] you guys are asking to discuss the speed
[1:05] bumps on Wigwam Boulevard. So, the
[1:07] podium is yours.
[1:10] >> You can or I mean,
[1:12] >> yes, please. So, we can hear you.
[1:13] >> Okay, there you go.
[1:17] » Okay. Hello. Good evening. My name is
[1:19] Beverly Gary. Um, I work at Palbury
[1:22] Nuclear Generating Station. We've been a
[1:23] resident here in Lfield Park for over 25
[1:26] years. I about a year ago requested to
[1:30] have speed bumps installed on Wubon
[1:32] Boulevard because the traffic is just
[1:34] insane. We have a lot of kids that um
[1:37] still go to school and I was I br I went
[1:41] to the um
[1:45] uh what's what's over here? the city
[1:47] hall and asked inquired about it and I
[1:51] was told that because of Wigwam
[1:53] Boulevard or um the wigwam that we
[1:56] weren't going to put
[1:58] uh speed bumps in on Wong Boulevard.
[2:00] However, if you go to Bird Lane, Bird
[2:03] Lane has all of the um speed bumps and
[2:07] things to slow traffic down. I think
[2:09] Bbon Boulevard needs it. We have a lot
[2:12] of our kids still going to school. We
[2:16] have school um
[2:18] school age kids everywhere. So I think
[2:20] it's it is a um a good idea to put speed
[2:23] bumps in and I would like to see that. I
[2:25] go for a walk every morning and they fly
[2:27] through there. There's not enough um
[2:31] policing around to stop it. So I think
[2:35] speed bumps would be a idea especially
[2:37] just to keep our kids safe in the
[2:39] neighborhood. Our kids are grown, but
[2:41] they've grown up here and I think still
[2:45] the kids need to be safe. So that's my ask. Thank you.
[2:51] >> Thank you.
[2:53] >> Can ask a clarifying question.
[2:57] >> I don't know if we're allowed to
[3:00] We are Trish.
[3:02] >> Yeah, that's a question. Yeah,
[3:04] >> I would like to know the the area of
[3:06] Wuan Boulevard that you're talking
[3:08] about. Indian school all the way to um
[3:10] what is it? Lfield road.
[3:12] >> Okay.
[3:13] >> Absolutely.
[3:14] >> Yeah.
[3:14] >> Um we have buses that fly through here.
[3:16] We have cars that fly through here. It's
[3:19] insane. And um I actually will drive
[3:23] through and go 25 miles an hour and 50
[3:26] miles an hour just to slow traffic down.
[3:28] I will do that.
[3:30] >> So um it it is needed. Absolutely. And
[3:33] there is more traffic on Won Boulevard
[3:35] than there is on Bird Lane. But Bird
[3:38] Lane has those those uh speed arresters.
[3:42] So I think our kids are more important
[3:45] than anything else in this community.
[3:50] >> Okay.
[3:50] >> Thank you.
[3:53] >> Questions I can answer.
[3:56] >> Maybe you probably already explained
[3:58] this is outside the purview of what we
[4:00] oversee.
[4:01] >> Oh, absolutely. Sure. We're not
[4:03] >> I just had a question so I was willing
[4:05] to answer it. I'm always willing to to
[4:07] speak. So, yeah. Thank you.
[4:10] >> Thank you.
[4:19] » Community and Recreation Services
[4:21] Monthly Report. Presenter Trisha Kramer,
[4:24] Community and Recreation Services
[4:25] Director.
[4:26] >> Thank you, Chairman Teddy and
[4:27] Commissioners. Uh the REC monthly report
[4:31] is in your packet. Um, I'll go over a
[4:34] couple of items. Uh, now that we're into
[4:37] August, the rec center, um, the group
[4:41] swim lessons and a lot of that, um,
[4:43] programmed activity winds down. So, we
[4:47] have expanded open swim hours. So,
[4:49] weekdays from 3:00 to 9:00, Saturdays
[4:52] 10:00 to 7:00, and Sundays 1 to 7:00.
[4:54] The pool is uh, still open, remains open
[4:57] to the public until Labor Day. Um we
[5:00] have uh very limited programming in the
[5:03] pool right now. Water aerobics and some
[5:05] one-on-one elite swim lessons. And
[5:07] that's our usual um August programming.
[5:12] Um the Odyssey swim team is back and
[5:15] holding their uh swim practices and
[5:17] their home meets. They started this week
[5:20] and they'll be um using the pool again
[5:23] uh through November.
[5:25] and um
[5:28] August water aerobics. I have in there
[5:30] that there were six registrants. We
[5:31] actually currently have uh 10
[5:33] registrants. So that went up a little
[5:35] bit since our uh written report went
[5:39] out. Um we are showing Finding Nemo, our
[5:43] final uh divein movie uh next Saturday
[5:47] the 22nd. And so we sell those tickets
[5:50] um online through Eventany. And also if
[5:54] there are WECK members, they can uh stop
[5:57] in and get complimentary passes to the
[5:59] movie and uh tickets can be purchased
[6:02] day of too if anyone is interested in
[6:04] bringing their families out to that. Um
[6:07] community services, our staff
[6:10] participated in Lichfield Elementary
[6:12] School's open house at the end of July.
[6:16] Um, so that was a great way for us to
[6:17] get out information on our fall
[6:19] programming, our youth sports and events
[6:22] and preschool. Um, so we had some good
[6:24] interactions there.
[6:27] As some of you were talking about before
[6:29] the meeting, uh, Katitude Arts and their
[6:31] teen mural team, who came out to present
[6:34] to you at that last meeting, um,
[6:36] completed their mural project on, uh,
[6:39] the 31st, so it was done just in time
[6:42] for that August 3rd, uh, ribbon cutting
[6:44] for the library. So, if you haven't had
[6:47] a chance to see it yet, I'd encourage
[6:49] you to to go into the library, take a
[6:51] look because um it was definitely done
[6:54] with love and care by these teenagers
[6:57] and I think they did take um your
[6:59] feedback to heart and and um I think
[7:02] they're proud of what they did and
[7:04] hopefully the community will be too. Um,
[7:08] on the note of artwork as well, our uh
[7:12] next round of Ola uh letting our local
[7:14] artists applications
[7:16] opened in August uh last week or
[7:19] actually two weeks now and applications
[7:22] will be accepted through October 1st. Um
[7:27] we had some feedback from you guys about
[7:29] looking to see more amenities at Rose
[7:32] Park. Um, so we did recommend that
[7:36] whatever the new installation is that it
[7:38] be put at Rose Park as just one amenity
[7:41] to kind of get that process started.
[7:44] >> So, uh, if you have any thoughts or
[7:47] suggestions or would like to provide
[7:49] input to whoever is selected, we'll keep
[7:52] it on the path the same way we did when
[7:54] we had Betsy come in. Um, so through
[7:56] that process, we will continue to
[7:58] include you guys to get your
[8:00] recommendations.
[8:02] Um, as we proceed,
[8:04] um, preschool is off to a great start.
[8:07] They've got, uh, 47, uh, little guys
[8:10] running around and getting used to
[8:13] making new friends and learning
[8:15] classroom rules, all that good stuff.
[8:18] So, Mâche and her team are are busy and
[8:21] having a good time.
[8:23] and um
[8:26] special events is in those planning
[8:28] stages where we're trying to lock down
[8:31] vendors and contracts and and
[8:34] advertising
[8:36] um all of that fun stuff. Our real
[8:39] events start in November. All those
[8:41] bigger events, the Touch a Truck and
[8:45] Fall Fest and Pat's Cornhole Tournament.
[8:48] So, still doing a lot of the planning
[8:50] and backend stuff. So, you may not see
[8:52] anything in the open, but still a lot of
[8:54] activity happening with respect to
[8:56] events. Um, also, Millennium High School
[9:00] is um putting on their parade on
[9:02] September 19th. They just got their
[9:05] approval last night through the council
[9:06] meeting to move forward with that. So,
[9:09] we look forward to having them back out
[9:10] for their homecoming parade. And, uh,
[9:14] I'll turn it over to Pat on sports
[9:15] updates.
[9:17] >> Uh, thank you, Trisha. Um, so sports, we
[9:20] had our we have coach pitch registration
[9:23] or ended a few weeks ago and we just had
[9:25] our coaches meeting last week. So
[9:27] practices did start this week um Monday,
[9:30] I should say. Wednesday it got rained
[9:32] out so we did have to cancel, but we are
[9:34] full with 80 kids in that um that
[9:38] league. So we are excited to see the
[9:39] numbers continue to go what they were
[9:40] last year backto-back uh years of
[9:43] getting filled up. So we're excited to
[9:45] see that. Uh fall registration is uh
[9:48] fall t-ball, basketball and flag
[9:49] football uh ends on Monday. Um we have
[9:54] as of today we had about 512 total
[9:56] participants, 222 basketball, 170 t-ball
[10:00] and 123 flag football. Um our three and
[10:04] four age group was open a little less
[10:07] than a week and it was already filled
[10:08] with 80 kids. So in we had 19 kids on
[10:13] the wait list in a little under two
[10:15] weeks. So we opened it up for two more
[10:17] teams and uh they got filled up pretty
[10:19] quickly after that. So we're having 100
[10:21] kids in just the three and four year old
[10:22] T-ball and then we have about 10 10
[10:26] spots left in T-ball altogether. So
[10:28] we're excited to see T-ball continuing
[10:30] to do the numbers and the rest of
[10:32] leagues are also numbers are looking
[10:34] pretty good too. So um group tennis uh
[10:38] was supposed to start for August
[10:39] yesterday but again got rained out. So
[10:42] Friday will be the first day for our
[10:45] August session but we are full in tennis
[10:47] again. Um we're full through uh October.
[10:52] So we have and the weight list depending
[10:54] on the age groups are pretty good at
[10:56] looking too. So it's exciting to see
[10:58] tennis back out there and getting ready
[11:00] to go. Um and that's about all I have
[11:03] for sports.
[11:09] Thank you both.
[11:11] Are there any questions?
[11:15] » One question.
[11:17] >> Sure.
[11:18] >> For um I think at some point we had an
[11:19] agreement with ales to also do use one
[11:22] of their fields. We're not able to do
[11:23] that still, right? Or is there any are
[11:26] you able to do any of your youth sports
[11:28] in their small fields? So we used we did
[11:32] use that in the past the smaller field
[11:35] um we that is little league does have
[11:37] priority over all those fields but we've
[11:39] worked together in the past and whenever
[11:41] we've had to close a park to overseed
[11:43] we've moved that um that park from where
[11:47] they were to that field. Oh, we still
[11:50] pay the whatever rates they had and when
[11:52] they made the rate the rate change um
[11:55] >> increase it kind of looking at that we
[11:58] would have made it work but we are able
[12:00] to make it work around kind of keeping
[12:03] one of the teams at the fields and
[12:04] moving so we don't have to use that
[12:06] field anymore. So thanks
[12:08] >> the cost increase factored in.
[12:10] >> Yeah.
[12:10] That's from a number of people
[12:12] organizations that rent fields from the
[12:14] school district. It was quite hefty
[12:16] >> again. Yes. What's the hourly rate for
[12:18] their fields?
[12:20] >> I the fields I
[12:23] can't remember what they there were. I
[12:25] know that they increased the basketball
[12:27] gyms from like 20 to 33 and the fields
[12:31] are probably around that same rises for
[12:33] us and stuff. So,
[12:42] » thank you guys. Are there any other
[12:44] questions?
[12:48] Okay, thank you very much. And moving
[12:50] on,
[13:07] sorry. Takes me a minute.
[13:11] Okay.
[13:14] Public Grounds Monthly Report. Kevin
[13:16] Hamilton, public grounds superintendent.
[13:21] [clears throat]
[13:21] >> Teddy Council. Thank you guys. Um,
[13:25] >> sorry.
[13:28] » Wow. Yes. Wow. As long as I can get
[13:32] >> same rate. Same pay rate. More
[13:34] responsibility. Sorry, guys. Okay. So, I
[13:37] am um my executive summary is in your
[13:39] packets as well. Um it's it's quite
[13:41] lengthy and touches on a few different
[13:43] areas. Uh I'm going to try to stay
[13:46] focused and hit on some some key
[13:47] accomplishments and points. Um but
[13:50] during our reporting period, we did have
[13:51] staff uh advance in several high
[13:54] priority maintenance and improvement
[13:55] initiatives across city parks, streets,
[13:57] landscape rights away, irrigation
[14:00] systems, and wreck programs. Uh some of
[14:02] our major accomplishments included
[14:03] substantial progress on turf ariation
[14:06] and fertilization, rem removal of
[14:08] hazardous trees on the hilltop, and
[14:11] continued citywide pruning along with
[14:13] the completion of storm damage cleanup
[14:15] and an implementation of new operating
[14:17] procedures and preparations for upcoming
[14:20] recreation programs and community
[14:21] events. Um, so to hit on some of our key
[14:24] accomplishments over the last 30 days,
[14:27] um, we've hit 100% completion on our
[14:29] citywide airification program, we were
[14:32] able to hit all of the turf areas in the
[14:34] city, uh, with a refying for the first
[14:36] time in over a year. Um, we completed
[14:39] fertilizer applications as well through
[14:41] all these turf areas. Um, from my
[14:43] understanding and the records I was able
[14:44] to find, this was the first time that
[14:46] the turf had been treated with a
[14:47] fertilizer application in some time. Um,
[14:50] we also created a standard operating
[14:52] procedure for mowing and are now
[14:54] unanimously mowing at the same height
[14:56] throughout the uh department, which was
[14:59] not the case as of April. Um, so we are
[15:02] now uh on a Bermuda transition um plan.
[15:07] It's a five-week program. Essentially,
[15:09] back at the end of May, we implemented a
[15:11] five-week plan to get rid of all of the
[15:13] grass in our grass areas except for the
[15:16] targeted grass that we wanted to grow
[15:17] for the summer, which would be our
[15:18] Bermuda grass. Um, as you can see, a lot
[15:21] of the grass transition through that
[15:23] time went from yellow and brown to a
[15:25] little bit more green. And now you can
[15:27] see a lot of those areas are now
[15:28] bouncing back and coming with just one
[15:30] type of grass, um, which was the desire.
[15:33] Ultimately, what we'll look to do is
[15:35] start that transition much sooner next
[15:37] year. Um given that I was only put in
[15:39] this role in April and we were a few
[15:41] weeks and months behind um that
[15:43] transition is something we will expect
[15:44] to see a lot sooner next year. Um
[15:46] because we are about 30 to 45 days away
[15:49] from transitioning now to our our winter
[15:51] rye. Um which is where we are also
[15:53] looking in our A program to potentially
[15:55] look at options for hydro seating. Um,
[15:58] so we're going to look at different
[15:59] options for uh transition this year with
[16:01] our winter grass, mostly in coordination
[16:03] with our parks and our wreck team
[16:05] because with our hydro seating, it will
[16:07] take us half the time um for the seed to
[16:10] take into transition than it would in
[16:12] our normal. Now, there is a cost
[16:13] associated with that. Um so that's why
[16:15] we're we're premature and just exploring
[16:17] those options. Um that touched on uh the
[16:21] aronomy team that we had out to take a
[16:23] look at our turf. Um it was not this
[16:25] last Friday but the Friday before. Um we
[16:28] had the Legacy Golf Aronomy team out.
[16:30] They took a look at our turf and made
[16:32] some recommendations as well as uh put
[16:34] us in contact with a few local
[16:36] professionals that'll uh help us for the
[16:38] next 365 days get our turf back on a a
[16:41] program that we'd like. Um the last key
[16:43] accomplishment that we have, we did have
[16:45] Turtle Park Playground was order um the
[16:49] installation of the project or of of the
[16:52] playground. it will start and the
[16:53] project should last from September 21st
[16:56] to October 2nd and that will be the
[16:59] final day for the playground
[17:00] installation.
[17:02] Um just to skip through and to touch on
[17:05] a few other uh small items. Um we did
[17:07] some work on the hilltop. Um as you can
[17:10] see in the trees, palms and rideway
[17:12] section, we had 71 trees uh that we took
[17:16] out of the hilltop. They were all dead
[17:17] trees. It cost the city approximately
[17:20] $50,000. Um, we did find 17 additional
[17:23] trees uh that were supposed to be
[17:25] relocated that have now transitioned
[17:28] into into either a dead state or a state
[17:31] to which it would not be worth us
[17:32] transitioning u transplanting those
[17:35] specimens. Sorry. Um, so we removed
[17:37] those additional 17 trees for a cost of
[17:40] $13,000. The remaining 107 fan palms at
[17:43] the hilltop, you guys may notice they
[17:45] have all been pruned. Um and
[17:48] moving on to fan pruning. Um that is
[17:52] also the last remaining palm pruning
[17:54] that we have through the city. The West
[17:56] Coast Arbor crew has been able to work
[17:58] through all 2400 palms with only about
[18:02] 900 remaining. Uh they were on track to
[18:05] finish that by this week up until our
[18:08] storm activity here in the last two
[18:10] weeks. So I have supplemented West Coast
[18:12] Arbor with another arbor contractor. um
[18:15] they've provided us to get the storm
[18:17] cleaned up a lot faster, but then also
[18:19] getting arbor crews back onto our
[18:20] pruning schedule.
[18:23] Um
[18:28] uh we did treat all of the palms along
[18:30] Lichfield Road uh for termites. We had a
[18:33] large termite infestation in all of our
[18:35] palm trees there. Uh there were over 50
[18:37] palms along that area that were treated
[18:39] for termites.
[18:42] um all of the public grounds materials
[18:44] including um leftover materials,
[18:46] historical items including the organ
[18:49] from the band stand um the leftover
[18:52] turtles from parks and any just
[18:55] construction supplies have all been
[18:56] cleared from the hilltop. Um so we are
[18:59] now completely out of there. We are just
[19:02] uh we're set aside ready for
[19:03] construction to begin on the Hilltop
[19:05] Park.
[19:07] the [sighs]
[19:11] so I did have some premature figures on
[19:13] some storm response work you'll see in
[19:15] that section I am going to skip that
[19:17] because those were put in before
[19:18] anything that happened this week so none
[19:21] of that would ring relevant to now
[19:23] [gasps]
[19:25] um we in so far as active projects and
[19:28] our service going on we have begun phase
[19:30] two of the citywide painting it is
[19:32] actually scheduled to be complete um
[19:34] that was actually scheduled to be
[19:36] completed this week We're reming
[19:38] tomorrow morning to finish, but the only
[19:40] thing remaining left to be painted are
[19:41] the two monument signs along Indian
[19:43] School. So, you'll see at Indian School
[19:45] in Lichfield and Indian School in Daart.
[19:47] Right now, it is just blank and painted.
[19:49] Um, we were waiting for the iron
[19:50] lettering to come in, which will be
[19:52] mounted this week. Um, so that we can
[19:54] have it when we need to repaint it next
[19:56] time. Um, it's not just a sticker that
[19:58] goes over. We can just paint behind the
[19:59] lettering. Um, so that'll be installed
[20:01] here uh this week. Uh after phase two is
[20:05] complete with painting, we will look and
[20:07] begin a phase three citywide painting
[20:09] program that will address uh any
[20:10] remaining wall areas that we haven't hit
[20:12] yet, including DART.
[20:15] Um we did finalize and secure the Sage
[20:18] Brush Storage Lot from Lichfield
[20:19] Elementary. Um we created a green waste
[20:22] operating procedure and material
[20:24] separation. We've now been able to avoid
[20:26] taking any loads to the dump for two
[20:29] weeks straight now. Um it's been a
[20:31] significant efficiency gain for us and
[20:34] as well as a cost savings for the city.
[20:37] Um and those unfamiliar, we are we were
[20:39] renting the Sage Brush lot. We were
[20:41] calling it Sagebrush lot is that vacant
[20:44] um area behind the Lichfield Elementary
[20:46] School between the ball field. Um we
[20:47] were able to rent and secure that from
[20:50] the elementary school um in preparations
[20:52] for the new public works building
[20:54] potentially. Um but in the meantime
[20:56] without that initiative going forward
[20:58] we're use utilizing that lot as a
[21:00] storage and a operating area.
[21:04] >> How does that make you not have to go to
[21:06] the dump?
[21:07] >> Uh we call a contractor in to come and
[21:09] pick up Yep. And many contractors have
[21:12] negotiated with several nurseries uh con
[21:16] um landscape companies around they can
[21:18] dump their green waste for free. I
[21:20] unfortunately cannot. Um, so what I am
[21:22] looking at is a contractor who I can
[21:23] just pay time and labor. They will come,
[21:25] they'll grab it, and it saves me
[21:26] approximately an hour to two hours with
[21:28] one to two employees that no longer have
[21:30] to go to the dump at a cost of
[21:32] approximately anywhere from a hundred to
[21:34] $200 per trip. Um, so we've seen a
[21:38] significant savings and efficiency as
[21:40] well.
[21:42] [clears throat] Um the last part of our
[21:45] uh efficiency improvements for our
[21:48] service that we currently have um I have
[21:50] initiated I'm calling them regional
[21:52] discussions um but we have reached out
[21:53] to our adjacent partner in the city of
[21:55] Goodyear in regards to potentially
[21:57] adding us onto their street sweeping
[21:59] program and taking that off from our
[22:01] public grounds and parks team.
[22:06] Um, one thing that I will just briefly
[22:09] touch on with our facilities manager
[22:11] here, we did establish new cleaning
[22:13] procedures, uh, as well as a, uh,
[22:18] contractor for some of those services.
[22:22] Um, we have been trying to do some more
[22:24] citizen-f facing communication and
[22:25] management. Um, we've been trying to do
[22:28] our social media posts and communicating
[22:30] in both our pruning schedule, our storm
[22:32] cleanup efforts. Um, you may have also
[22:34] seen the street closures. Um, and with
[22:37] that, did I say I said palm printing
[22:39] schedule? So, um, those are some of the
[22:41] initiatives, some of the projects that
[22:43] we've been working on. I skipped through
[22:46] some of them, but, uh, if there's any
[22:48] that I missed that you guys have any
[22:49] further questions on, please feel free
[22:51] to ask.
[22:53] >> You mentioned the communication on the
[22:55] street closures.
[22:56] >> Yes. And they did some of the street
[22:58] refinishing a month ago.
[23:01] >> Like there was zero communication
[23:04] >> and I only knew to get my cars off the
[23:06] street because I asked the guy that was
[23:07] putting cones out.
[23:09] >> Sure.
[23:09] >> A lot of people reached out to me to ask
[23:10] about that. I was just wondering how was
[23:12] that communicated and how did I miss it?
[23:15] >> No, I'm going to pause you guys there
[23:16] because we're getting out of park from
[23:18] Rick.
[23:19] >> Sorry.
[23:19] >> So I know Kevin touched on this briefly.
[23:22] >> I tried to stay high realm of street
[23:24] things. We're gonna we're gonna bring it
[23:26] back, but
[23:27] >> No problem. Thank you.
[23:28] >> We'll get with you privately on that.
[23:30] >> Okay,
[23:34] » sir.
[23:35] >> A question. I think you addressed it,
[23:37] but just to make sure that I'm
[23:38] understanding it correctly, right now,
[23:40] like down old road, especially if we get
[23:42] closer to the north side, the grass is
[23:44] rather patchy. That's just because we
[23:47] were late on killing off the ry grass
[23:49] and the Bermuda
[23:51] um is catching up to these spots or
[23:53] what's because that's the that's the big
[23:56] question that I get. It's like, hey,
[23:57] what's going on grass? What do what do I
[24:00] tell folks?
[24:00] >> Yeah. So, essentially years of not
[24:04] killing the weeds that are in the grass
[24:07] have let the weeds out compete for the
[24:09] grass that we do want growing.
[24:11] >> Sounds like my backyard.
[24:12] >> Exactly. Yeah. So, so when that weed
[24:14] gets large and big, it once we kill it
[24:17] or it's gone, it is now a bare spot. So,
[24:19] yeah, if we would have started that
[24:20] sooner, we would have given the Bermuda
[24:21] a chance to fill those bare areas
[24:23] sooner. They will still fill some of
[24:25] those areas, but given that we only have
[24:27] a 30-day window where the weather is
[24:29] optimal for growing grass like that, and
[24:31] then we're going to scalp it low and
[24:32] kill it to start our ride transition.
[24:34] Um, those areas will be look more better
[24:36] filled next year once we've done this
[24:38] sustainably.
[24:39] >> We're we're paying for it's deferred
[24:41] maintenance. for paying off on that.
[24:42] >> 100%. Yep. And I And that's why I put
[24:44] this fiveweek transition plan together
[24:46] for the city manager first because I go
[24:48] it's going to look bad before it looks
[24:50] good. So we we wanted to warn everybody.
[24:52] Yeah.
[24:53] >> Thank you.
[24:53] >> Yes.
[24:56] >> Quick, sorry, just a quick question. I
[24:58] love the little turn lane into the
[25:00] Thomas and all of that is new paint, but
[25:03] just past that where the old turn lane
[25:06] is to get on to Indian School is still
[25:09] really faded and hard to see. Is that
[25:11] going to get painted as well or is it
[25:14] just going to be by the bright yellow
[25:15] and then not really see where the turn
[25:17] lane is?
[25:17] >> No. So, we are we're fortunate enough we
[25:19] just welcomed on our new streets
[25:21] superintendent um Ed Edward and um we'll
[25:25] be kind and bring him to our next
[25:27] meeting so you guys can meet him as
[25:28] well.
[25:29] >> Ask him these questions.
[25:30] >> Yes. Yes. Ed just started this Monday.
[25:32] Um but we actually were fortunate enough
[25:34] to get a streets tech. I believe it was
[25:36] about three weeks ago that person
[25:37] started. So, you may have seen I tried
[25:39] to stay away from some of those. But in
[25:42] my report, I did have you know
[25:43] repainting crosswalks and school zones.
[25:46] Those were things that the public
[25:48] grounds team was assisting streets with
[25:50] before our superintendent started. So,
[25:51] we're in that transition phase right
[25:53] now. Um, but Ed is someone who came very
[25:55] qualified from Scottsdale. Um, he 20
[25:58] years in a municipality. Uh, he he very
[26:01] much has a plan and has already been out
[26:03] and getting. So, uh, that is a question
[26:05] I can definitely pass along to.
[26:07] >> Thank you.
[26:11] » Oh, go ahead.
[26:13] Can you talk some about the recent storm
[26:15] damage? I know we lost a number of
[26:19] huge trees.
[26:21] One here, one right out here.
[26:25] Are we planning to replace them or or
[26:28] you don't know? Tell me what the plan.
[26:29] >> No. Yeah. So, I've gotten that question
[26:31] 10 times. Uh the statement that I've
[26:33] been given permission to to hold to you.
[26:37] Um we we are in a process of measuring
[26:41] the magnitude of what we've lost right
[26:42] now. Um I don't even have a full count.
[26:44] I don't even have a bill yet. Um so I
[26:47] can tell you just in some of the figures
[26:49] that we've put together prematurely um
[26:51] we are looking at a significant loss.
[26:53] And part of that loss is paying for um
[26:57] you know the the the cost that we didn't
[27:00] incur the first time. So, what you guys
[27:02] may have seen for a lot of our trees out
[27:03] there was they they just went over at
[27:06] the roots and all of those roots were
[27:08] like your fingers spread. So, they
[27:10] should have been down deep deep. And a
[27:12] lot of what I'm seeing is the irrigation
[27:14] systems here there's one line, one line
[27:17] for the grass, one line for the shrubs,
[27:18] one for the trees, one for the palms,
[27:20] and those all four should be on separate
[27:22] lines. They all measure different times,
[27:24] different gallons per hour. Um, and so
[27:26] the trees have been suffering. They've
[27:28] been getting water to stay alive, but
[27:30] they haven't been getting the water they
[27:32] need to establish themselves and to stay
[27:34] grounded and rooted. So, there's a a
[27:36] multitude of factors that we're
[27:38] including in this because the cost to go
[27:40] back and put these trees also comes with
[27:42] an infrastructure cost with the the
[27:44] plumbing and the irrigation to go with
[27:46] it as well as the controllers that are
[27:48] going to manage and allow us to to keep
[27:50] them alive. So, what we've done is we've
[27:52] already been in contact with the
[27:53] landscape architect. We've already put
[27:55] together a few different presentation
[27:57] ideas and we are going to look to sit in
[28:00] front of you guys this next month with a
[28:03] few options on what we think would be a
[28:04] more sustainable idea for us to
[28:06] transition and replant with um and more
[28:08] so with a game plan in mind as well as a
[28:11] selection of tree species, plants, you
[28:14] know, shrub species and then irrigation
[28:16] um standards that we think we want to
[28:18] set going forward. So, we'll put um an
[28:21] initial presentation of what we think
[28:23] that package looks like as well as maybe
[28:25] some preliminary costs and then we'll
[28:27] put that presentation in front of you
[28:28] guys hopefully to get some blessing and
[28:30] some decisions so that we can put in
[28:32] front of council for some funding.
[28:35] >> I look forward to that. Thank you.
[28:37] >> Yeah. No, and um as far as just
[28:39] inventory goes, we do have Arbor Access
[28:42] is the uh inventory system that West
[28:45] Coast Arbor uses. as they are doing
[28:47] their work right now, they are updating
[28:48] that inventory. So, I have an idea on
[28:51] some of those figures. Um, but it's very
[28:53] premature. But the great thing about
[28:54] that system,
[28:56] >> like to give you an idea, just one of
[28:57] these trees that we lost out here, that
[29:00] tree was valued at $10,000. So, it
[29:03] didn't cost us $10,000 to take it out
[29:05] and to put a new one in. But, if we were
[29:07] going to say try to replicate and put
[29:09] that exact tree back, that is the value
[29:11] that it had for the water and the oxygen
[29:13] and the carbon sequestering that it
[29:15] does. So, um, we have a value to what we
[29:18] have lost. We have a value to what it
[29:20] will cost. And then, um, we're going to
[29:22] try to figure out the right way to put
[29:23] it back. None of that will start
[29:25] probably until October. Just looking for
[29:28] the weather. Yeah.
[29:32] >> You mentioned something about a GIS
[29:34] track.
[29:34] >> Oh, I I had that in here and I didn't
[29:36] >> I saw it in there a little bit.
[29:38] >> Yeah. So, I I currently we had the whole
[29:40] city is in GIS. Um, I have been working
[29:43] with the city planner and we've really
[29:45] just gotten anything that we were able
[29:46] to have as a digital construction file
[29:50] added onto our GIS. So, some of our
[29:52] power lines, irrigation lines, that kind
[29:54] of stuff. Um, but we're really looking
[29:56] to advance the GIS. So, we're looking to
[29:58] get all the city's assets like park
[30:00] benches and street lights and um
[30:03] drinking fountains, trash cans,
[30:05] everything down to the nuts and bolts
[30:07] essentially can be polygon and
[30:09] identified as a asset in GIS. And it's
[30:12] satellite um driven so it's accurate and
[30:15] it's something that gives us um
[30:17] forecasts and projections without having
[30:19] to leave our desk. You know, we can do
[30:21] measurements, we can do square footages,
[30:23] um we can get counts and inventory,
[30:25] stuff like that without leaving. So,
[30:26] we've been fortunate enough that ASU has
[30:28] an intern program in their GIS uh
[30:31] department that we essentially can just
[30:33] pay them at an intern rate um to to
[30:35] continue on working with us. So, the the
[30:37] first phase last year was us getting
[30:39] into GIS, which we are now. We are now
[30:42] looking to advance and develop GIS more.
[30:44] We want our our water meters on there.
[30:45] We want our valve boxes on there, our
[30:47] irrigation lines, as well as I'm
[30:49] drawing. I'm they're called polygons,
[30:52] but they're just shapes around the
[30:54] landscape that we're responsible for
[30:55] maintaining. And it's something that my
[30:57] guys, the contractor, anyone working,
[30:59] they can see it on their phone and say,
[31:01] "Yes, this is ours. Yes, this is
[31:02] theirs." Um, and it's connected to the
[31:04] Maricopa County parcel assessors um
[31:08] website. So everything in there, it
[31:10] shows you ownership. It shows you public
[31:12] information on who owns the property to
[31:14] their name, their phone number, their
[31:16] email, everything. So, it's it's a
[31:17] really robust system um that I've been
[31:20] familiar and used in other
[31:21] municipalities that our city planner
[31:23] Randy has been fortunate enough to start
[31:26] the process and we are just continuing
[31:27] on with here now.
[31:29] >> And I know that' be tremendously
[31:31] helpful to us as a commission. Maybe I
[31:34] don't know if we can get access to the
[31:36] actual software or whatever or even just
[31:37] have like a print out of the public
[31:40] grounds and you know a list or or some
[31:43] sort of map system.
[31:44] >> Well, we were looking at an internal and
[31:46] an external application something for
[31:48] the public and something for us as well
[31:51] on a daily operational sense. So, um
[31:54] that is something because we are meeting
[31:55] about this week. I can definitely ask at
[31:57] what a a public facing GIS map looks
[32:00] like so that you guys are able to see at
[32:01] least some of our basic functions off
[32:03] the bat.
[32:04] >> Just for the record, I mean we all know
[32:06] but GIS stands for
[32:09] >> geo informationational
[32:12] satellite
[32:14] system. Something like
[32:16] >> that's what I thought it was.
[32:17] >> Yeah.
[32:22] » So are there any other questions?
[32:23] >> Yeah. Go ahead, sir. back on the turf uh
[32:27] restoration. I just want to say thanks
[32:29] for making that a priority. I know I go
[32:31] to Turtle Park a lot and there's a lot,
[32:33] you know, the crab grass and stuff in
[32:34] there. So, I appreciate you making that
[32:36] a priority. Um at Turtle Park
[32:38] specifically,
[32:40] how is that being treated? Because I I
[32:42] noticed like a little section kind of
[32:44] between the goalposts is just like
[32:46] shaved down and more dead. And I was
[32:48] wondering how you're treating it
[32:49] differently. And
[32:49] >> we um we we were just talking about that
[32:52] before this meeting. Um, so Turtle was
[32:54] our last park. Um, I'm saying last and
[32:57] first. We were trying to make a decision
[32:58] at Turtle if we needed to keep going
[33:00] with spraying. We didn't, we knew we
[33:02] weren't going to get all the leaves in
[33:04] one treatment. Um, especially being this
[33:06] late to the game. We wanted to see the
[33:08] effects of spraying half of that turf
[33:10] and having in a test batch right in
[33:12] front of us. Um, so we did half of the
[33:13] turf and then we dropped the deck and
[33:15] mowed it. We wanted to see how it
[33:16] affected that turf and the weeds in it.
[33:18] So you can see both halves are coming
[33:20] back but there is a disparity between
[33:22] them. Um
[33:23] >> where is this a turtle turtle?
[33:26] >> Uh and we tried to do it on the far end
[33:28] so that it wasn't as noticeable from the
[33:29] street.
[33:30] >> Um but I will selfabilia is uh purely
[33:33] scientific and research. Um we're just
[33:35] trying to get an idea of what's going to
[33:37] target some of our nuts edge and our
[33:38] crab grass some of our more aggressive
[33:40] stuff. Um as well as mowing. And I will
[33:42] say mowing at turtle alone um we dropped
[33:44] the decks and we mowed in a crisscross
[33:46] pattern. We had great results from that
[33:49] alone without the herbicide. So, um,
[33:51] we're we're very focused on it. I think
[33:53] we are finally getting support which may
[33:56] have not always been there before, which
[33:58] is allowing us to put more funding and
[34:00] resources.
[34:01] >> That's great.
[34:02] >> We figured out that Kristoff and I know
[34:03] we need that for
[34:05] >> I'm I mean with the golf, right?
[34:07] >> I mean with the golf course on Tuesday.
[34:09] Listen, information is knowledge. So,
[34:11] I'm just trying to collect as much as I
[34:12] can and I'm happy to to share with you
[34:14] guys easily.
[34:22] Does anybody have any other questions?
[34:28] Thank you very much. So you
[34:54] So, it is it is my honor to introduce
[34:58] facilities manager Chris Scott.
[35:02] >> Welcome, Sarah.
[35:04] >> Thanks for having me.
[35:08] So, uh, I am the facilities new
[35:11] facilities manager for the city park.
[35:13] Um, I guess the first one they've ever
[35:14] had. So, um, the bar set pretty low. Um,
[35:18] so I've been here about four months now.
[35:21] Um, it's been quite an experience so
[35:25] far. Um, a lot of catchup, a lot of uh, asset assessment um, with the
[35:31] buildings and um, sorry and everything
[35:35] uh, in between. So, um I know the
[35:38] drinking fountains are a high priority.
[35:42] Um I have done a lot of research um
[35:45] looking at those and uh we've had some
[35:47] cclick fix requests for new ones. Um, so
[35:52] I've done again a lot of work, a lot of
[35:54] research and and work with Paige, our uh
[35:58] assistant city manager, trying to come
[35:59] up with a strategy um you know a cost
[36:03] assessment what it would take to um
[36:05] basically replace them all all these
[36:07] parks. So, um it's it's going to be more
[36:09] of a phase situation for these because
[36:11] of the price, but um
[36:14] I I I think that working with you, um
[36:18] would would would help me tremendously
[36:20] because I I think there's so many
[36:21] different options out there.
[36:23] [clears throat] Excuse me. And I think
[36:24] everyone wants something different just
[36:26] based off, you know, the feedback that
[36:28] I've gotten from, you know, the citizens
[36:30] and everything. So, um that is one of my
[36:32] top priorities right now. Um the
[36:35] restrooms in general need some uh
[36:37] attention. Uh Kevin and I have worked on
[36:40] the painting on the phases. Um we're
[36:44] looking at uh well I'm looking at doing
[36:46] some new painting on those um and some
[36:50] work inside the restrooms with maybe
[36:52] some updates. Um we haven't moved to the
[36:56] any of the lighting. I think that's
[36:57] something that's needs to be looked at.
[36:59] Some of the Romanas looks pretty old.
[37:02] Um, and again, I've done quite a few
[37:07] ride alongs with Kevin and just uh we
[37:10] talked about several things that that
[37:11] need to be done um with these parks. Um
[37:14] just a lot of neglect, I think, over the
[37:16] years. So, um these are some of my
[37:19] goals, you know, within the next year um
[37:22] to accomplish. So, um, you know, you're
[37:26] welcome to reach out to me, you know,
[37:28] via email, call me, whatever. Um, and we
[37:31] can we can work through this,
[37:34] try to get these things looking better.
[37:35] I know Kevin's busting his butt trying
[37:38] to get these things looking good and and
[37:40] updated. So, I'm going to, you know, do
[37:42] my part and, you know, same thing, do
[37:46] some restoration.
[37:49] Any questions?
[37:52] » Start for you, sir.
[37:54] We are also new to having a facilities
[37:58] manager.
[37:59] >> What does that entail?
[38:01] >> Yeah. I mean, you were talking about
[38:02] parks, which is not what I was thinking.
[38:05] >> Well, it's kind of
[38:06] >> I play a part in that with the actual
[38:08] facilities in the parks. Um, you know,
[38:11] plumbing, electrical. Um, mainly I take
[38:14] care of the facility buildings, this
[38:16] building, rec center, um, the new works,
[38:20] city hall, new library. So I handle
[38:22] everything with with those buildings,
[38:25] you know, anything from, you know,
[38:27] structural again, plumbing, electrical,
[38:29] HVAC, all that stuff. Any uh you know,
[38:32] updates, um remodels.
[38:36] So that's what I handle.
[38:38] >> Maybe like the romas at the parks would
[38:40] be sports sports courts. Would that fall
[38:42] into your as a facility?
[38:45] >> Um
[38:47] don't really know. I know we've worked
[38:49] again him and I have worked together
[38:50] trying to figure some of that out. Our
[38:52] roles are still a little bit kind of we
[38:54] mesh, you know, because we're new,
[38:56] right? So, um, but we worked together on
[38:59] trying to come up with some ideas. Like
[39:00] I said, I know the lighting has been an
[39:02] issue. Believe it Aleppo was one that
[39:05] has been complained about.
[39:07] >> Yeah. Um, so we're looking at maybe
[39:09] doing some, you know, an upgrade on the
[39:11] LEDs over there
[39:13] >> and um, you know, get some better get
[39:16] some better photo
[39:18] sensors in there and and just um, you
[39:21] know, just try to handle what what needs
[39:23] to be handled over there.
[39:25] >> Yeah,
[39:25] >> we we got the uh, turtle park. We got
[39:28] the the new um, sewer line run over
[39:32] there. um May. That was was quite the
[39:35] ordeal, but uh you know, got that
[39:38] handled. Um so again, we're looking at
[39:40] we're assessing all this stuff, you
[39:42] know, to see what needs to be updated
[39:44] and and uh better maintained.
[39:47] So I do play a part in parks with the actual restroom facilities.
[39:52] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's good to know.
[39:57] >> Any other questions?
[39:59] >> Welcome.
[39:59] >> Thank you.
[40:00] >> Welcome.
[40:00] >> Thank you. glad to have you.
[40:03] >> So, we probably won't put Chris on the
[40:05] spot every month to come out and report
[40:07] to you guys, but as he has those kind of
[40:10] projects that he's working on that
[40:11] affect recreation and public grounds, um
[40:14] we can certainly same way we do with
[40:17] Randy um come in and on specific topics
[40:20] come in and report to you guys. So for
[40:23] instance the the water fountains once
[40:25] something uh comes to fruition with that
[40:28] he'll probably come back and and share
[40:30] that information with you goddess. Um so
[40:32] project by project that affect your
[40:35] commission
[40:36] >> and we Chris and I work hand inand on
[40:38] everything and somebody I think
[40:39] described it to us as uh Chris takes
[40:41] care of inside the house and I take care
[40:43] of the the yard outside. Uh but we'll be
[40:47] working on projects like through old
[40:49] Lichfield Square where we've already had
[40:51] an electrician come out and we're
[40:53] looking to connect the inground lighting
[40:55] at LS Square to the palms along Old
[40:58] Litfield and in the roundabout. So
[41:00] that's a project that we were working on
[41:02] together hand in hand. It's parks, it's
[41:04] landscape, it's electrical, it's
[41:05] facilities. Um so Chris and I have a lot
[41:08] of those projects together.
[41:12] » Well, thank you and welcome again, sir.
[41:14] Appreciate it. Thank you very much.
[41:24] » Opportunities for improvement. Presenter
[41:26] Trisha Kramer, community and recreation
[41:29] services director.
[41:31] >> Uh thank you, Chairman Teddy and
[41:32] Commissioners. Um I don't think we had
[41:36] too much at our last meeting. Uh,
[41:39] Commissioner Gordono had a couple of
[41:42] recommendations uh to pass along to
[41:44] streets and was going to put something
[41:48] through our uh uh engage LP app. I don't
[41:52] know if she did not,
[41:53] >> but she but I will.
[41:55] >> Yes. Um, other than that, if you have
[41:58] any new opportunities that you wanted to
[42:00] discuss with us or any old business with
[42:04] respect to that, we'll certainly we'll
[42:06] address them or pass them on.
[42:10] >> Sure. Um, are there any trends that
[42:12] you're seeing in what people are
[42:13] reporting that would be good for us to
[42:15] be aware of?
[42:16] >> Storm damage.
[42:21] Besides storm damage,
[42:22] >> um
[42:23] >> do you have any do are you getting any?
[42:25] >> Um I think we're seeing a lot of
[42:28] irrigation call outs to make sure that
[42:31] >> that has been the most beneficial for
[42:33] me. Um it's just not losing track of
[42:35] anything and as soon as somebody sees
[42:37] it, boom, we get it. Our uncalled guy
[42:39] can be here in less than 30 minutes. And
[42:42] we've I think we've already done just
[42:43] this week because the trees fallen on
[42:45] them, we've done five um where we found
[42:47] after hours irrigation leaks, but then
[42:50] um the the trees falling down has been
[42:53] great because I scheduled them starting
[42:55] Monday and now I'm working my way
[42:57] backwards, you know, with the people who
[42:59] have reported Monday. But we've we've
[43:01] closed almost all of them out. We've
[43:02] closed 50% of our in LP tickets out from
[43:05] Monday. And that's just helped us track
[43:07] each and individual instance of either a
[43:10] leak or a tree and we haven't lost track
[43:11] of any. So that's that's been good. And
[43:13] we're not getting late calls like this
[43:15] thing's been here for two weeks and you
[43:16] guys forgot about me. If you reported
[43:18] it, it's in the system and we're coming
[43:20] to you and it's scheduled and we have a
[43:22] date and a time and so um irrigation and
[43:25] just fallen and damaged properties to
[43:32] Yep.
[43:34] >> So, don't forget to record it because it
[43:35] could have been I know. I know. The
[43:38] light call in. Our administrative
[43:41] assistants have been kind enough to
[43:43] enter those requests for you.
[43:44] >> Excellent. No, I can do it. I have it. I
[43:46] just want to get a picture of it. It's a
[43:48] light over by the pond.
[43:49] >> Perfect. And we we're doing the street
[43:50] lights, too. So, if you see an SRP
[43:52] street light out, send it to us. We'll
[43:54] send it to SRP even. Yeah.
[43:57] Well, I think Kevin and Chris are both
[43:59] doing great at efficiencies and
[44:03] opportunities for improvement that I
[44:05] don't have a ton to add, but I would I
[44:08] do want to just mention
[44:11] all of the along the uh Noeva, all of
[44:15] that grass that is public land with like
[44:18] the rolling hills. Yes,
[44:19] >> that seems probably like the biggest
[44:22] opportunity in the city where I mean we
[44:25] should really either
[44:27] tell the public that it's available for
[44:29] them to use
[44:32] or tear out the grass and put rocks in,
[44:35] you know, instead of because it's
[44:37] usually has really beautiful grass
[44:39] there, but we're also not telling the
[44:40] public they can use it as a park. kind
[44:42] of seems like a median or it used to be
[44:44] private property of the HOA 15 years
[44:47] ago, something like that.
[44:50] So now we've talked about this once or
[44:53] twice over the years, but
[44:55] >> seems like something that would be good
[44:57] to to push forward. U so that would be
[45:00] in my presentation for you guys here in
[45:02] 30 days when we get together. Um but
[45:04] yeah, I would love to you guys to help
[45:06] me identify what you would prioritize as
[45:08] top priority areas. My personal opinion,
[45:10] that one is up there. I think the
[45:13] >> oddshaped medians that are in weird
[45:16] distance. Yeah, those would be maybe
[45:18] some of my firsts, but um we're we're I
[45:21] think all on the same page for that. The
[45:22] non-program programmable recreational
[45:25] areas. So, and if it is a recreational
[45:28] area or it can somewhat be used as that,
[45:30] we should use it or provide amenities
[45:33] for such. Yeah,
[45:34] >> it's used as like a dog walking area.
[45:38] You know, we could even just put a sign
[45:40] up to identif give it a name. We call it
[45:43] the hills. The guys call that the hills.
[45:45] Um but you know, that doesn't mean
[45:46] anything. It's not really a place. So,
[45:49] yeah, to to designate it as something
[45:51] and give it just one amenity, a sign or
[45:54] a dog station. Yeah. So, um that is a
[45:57] great idea and something that we'll look
[45:58] to put for you guys to give us
[45:59] direction.
[46:00] >> Yeah. Really just something to tell the
[46:02] public that it's there for them to use.
[46:04] >> Absolutely. Yeah. No. And it's um it's
[46:06] in a good area and I see someone every
[46:08] morning they park their car right there
[46:10] and they walk their dog or run it. I
[46:11] don't know what they're doing but
[46:12] they're using it. So yeah. Awesome.
[46:16] I have two super quick ones. One um and
[46:21] I I'm imagining this fits into this
[46:23] category. If it doesn't, please stop.
[46:25] But one is a tree on the north side of
[46:27] Luma. It looks like it's right about to
[46:30] die and probably needs to just go. And
[46:32] the other one is a bigger question. Um,
[46:36] have have are there islands around the
[46:38] city that have already been marked for
[46:41] transition to zero escape or are those
[46:44] islands just for whatever reason not
[46:47] growing grass the way that they maybe
[46:49] once did or does this relate back to
[46:51] what you were saying a minute ago where
[46:53] you're kind of watching grass where it
[46:55] needs to be transitioned now for the
[46:57] fall and maybe just doing that kind of a
[47:00] big question there. Sorry.
[47:01] >> No. Yeah, broader statement and I've
[47:03] touched a little bit on it all. I think
[47:05] what you're referring to are some of the
[47:06] medians that have like a grayish white
[47:09] looking turf. And if that doesn't sound
[47:11] familiar, go to the areas
[47:15] um
[47:17] all through Loma, all through 119 112
[47:22] where there's uh Compa is an area that
[47:24] comes to mind. So that has pine needles
[47:27] that were covering the surface. It had
[47:30] weeds and crab grass that were growing
[47:31] through. Then we grew the ry grass.
[47:33] Well, when I came here in April, the
[47:35] water was still going crazy and the guys
[47:37] were still keeping the ryrass alive. So,
[47:39] in all of those combinations, we weren't
[47:43] letting Bermuda go. Now, if you over
[47:45] years let different um
[47:49] different compounds take up the soil,
[47:51] you would want to replenish that Bermuda
[47:53] with some seed. Now, from my
[47:55] understanding, those islands that you
[47:57] guys are talking about specifically that
[47:58] looked like we were marking and killing
[48:00] them, they're still getting water. There
[48:02] is just no Bermuda grass in them
[48:04] growing. So, what I had come to learn is
[48:07] in this last year, those were last
[48:10] priority. When it came to fertilizing,
[48:13] when it came to a when it came to
[48:14] transitioning, we just skipped those
[48:17] because the budget, the time, the re I
[48:20] don't know the exact reason. I wasn't
[48:22] here for that history, but I just
[48:23] understand that they were neglected.
[48:25] They were not prioritized as being kept
[48:28] up. Um, and I don't know if it was
[48:30] because of the turf or not. Um, but
[48:32] there are some areas where I'm noticing
[48:33] there's just no grass left. Um, those
[48:36] would be areas where we would identify
[48:38] them as zercape where we would like to
[48:39] try and convert them, especially some of
[48:41] the ones that have already lost their
[48:42] large established trees. Um but the
[48:44] landscape architect that we are meeting
[48:46] with in our zercape conversions is
[48:48] taking into consideration uh keeping
[48:51] those wellestablished trees that have
[48:53] been there already for 50 years. So we
[48:54] haven't marked anything yet. The gray or
[48:57] whitish looking grass. If you walk up to
[49:00] it, you'll notice it was just like this
[49:01] in front of Papa's and like Park Cafe up
[49:04] until about a week ago. You can see the south end is starting to come back
[49:07] and it's slowly moving its way north.
[49:09] But what you would see is if you would
[49:11] scratch your fingers along the surface,
[49:13] it was just the dead rye or dead grass
[49:15] that we had killed out and it was
[49:16] suffocating the surface from any Bermuda
[49:18] actually popping and coming through. Um,
[49:20] so there's a few different techniques
[49:22] that we would be able to do to do that.
[49:23] We're we're just too late now. So, we're
[49:25] not going to do anything with those. Our
[49:27] only option would be maybe paint them
[49:28] green, which a few citizens have
[49:31] proposed to us. Um, but we are so close
[49:33] to our transition to winter grass that
[49:35] we'll just look to address it then and
[49:37] then be prepared come March and April
[49:39] next year.
[49:40] >> Copy that. So, if if there is a
[49:43] long-term plan on on converting to zero
[49:46] skate, will the neighborhoods know in
[49:48] advance and maybe get a chance for some
[49:51] input on that? Um what we were planning
[49:53] to do in the council meeting where we
[49:55] did present this and hopefully some um
[49:58] pointed direction from you guys was a
[50:01] work study and just looking to get some
[50:02] feedback from either the public or the
[50:04] council and get a little bit of that
[50:06] either how they want it communicated or
[50:08] just some of the communication that has
[50:10] to be a part of this plan. Um, that's
[50:12] our intention for next month when we
[50:14] present
[50:15] >> the LA and I'll invite everybody else on
[50:17] the commission to chime in on this, but
[50:19] the last time we talked about
[50:20] zeroscaping, it was not received
[50:25] um I don't know exactly what it was not
[50:28] received super well,
[50:30] which you probably already experienced.
[50:32] I brought that up in my interview and it
[50:34] was a lot of unsettled eyes and people
[50:37] looking around as well. And um recently
[50:41] it's been brought up a lot and not only
[50:43] by myself but [snorts] citizens, our
[50:46] management and our council. I was
[50:48] stopped at the opening of the library by
[50:49] one of our council members who wanted to
[50:51] talk nothing but zercape and turf
[50:53] conversion. So it's it's an interest.
[50:56] They're very much talking about it right
[50:58] now. And with sustainability being the
[51:01] overall umbrella conversation that we
[51:03] need to have with the trees and the
[51:05] landscaping and the irrigation that have
[51:07] just all come down, uh this is our
[51:09] window to talk about it. Um I'm
[51:11] preparing for the the debate, if you
[51:15] will. Um the landscape landscape
[51:17] architect that we have been working
[51:19] with, he already has presented to
[51:21] several municipalities and councils on
[51:24] uh turf conversion and zercape. and we
[51:27] have a whole presentation put together.
[51:29] So, I'll I'll be happy to have him come
[51:30] in and speak with you guys and you can
[51:32] see his presentation as well. Um, but
[51:34] we're in the preliminary phases of
[51:35] putting that all together right now.
[51:38] >> Yes, sir. Maybe add on to what
[51:40] Commissioner Faith had said about the
[51:42] hills as it relates to this where if we
[51:45] have to choose where we could have grass
[51:47] because we're limited near irrigation,
[51:49] let's use it in places it's getting
[51:50] used, not as much looked at, which we
[51:53] all love looking at. And I'd love
[51:55] everything to be green, but we can't do
[51:56] it
[51:57] >> 100%. And I think you guys have a great
[52:00] um test pilot or platform where if you
[52:02] go into the Loma area, a lot of those
[52:04] medians, I'm not sure if they were
[52:06] originally turf or not, but they have
[52:07] already been converted to a zircape type
[52:10] of landscape. It's just granite with um
[52:13] you know, water tolerant plants. And
[52:14] that's you know, people hear zircape and
[52:17] it has different meanings to everybody,
[52:18] but that's in our presentation something
[52:20] that we want to help just clarify and
[52:22] define for people. Um, so and and with
[52:25] turf, you know, a lot of people see it
[52:26] as an asset. You can recreate on it, you
[52:29] can play on it. We don't want the
[52:30] perception for the citizens to seem like
[52:32] we are taking something from them
[52:34] without them gaining something back. Um,
[52:36] so that's something that we're putting
[52:37] together in our presentation as well.
[52:44] I've always wondered if there's a way to
[52:46] quantify it like the like a like a price
[52:49] per square foot of like a zeroscape
[52:53] versus like grass. And I always thought
[52:56] that if we had that number then perhaps
[52:59] it would open a lot more minds to the
[53:03] conversion. But just throwing it out
[53:05] there. I have them and I'll give it to
[53:07] you guys. Right on. I will get you guys
[53:09] the figures.
[53:12] If you use water rights a driver of that
[53:14] too
[53:16] lose water or you're going to lose
[53:19] eventually [clears throat]
[53:20] there's a lot of calculations and and we
[53:22] were able to secure a lot of grant
[53:24] funding um in the city of Peoria we
[53:26] secured over um
[53:29] I want to say it was $4 million but to
[53:32] do citywide turf conversion in our
[53:34] non-programmable recreation parks. So
[53:37] wow, all of our neighborhood parks, you
[53:39] know, like Turtle, all that, we
[53:40] identified areas that were
[53:41] non-programmable that we couldn't use or
[53:43] put sports on, and we received money in
[53:45] a grant to take that out and convert it.
[53:47] >> Is that federal or state?
[53:49] >> Uh I'm not just another
[53:51] >> it was called the WIFA grant. I I want
[53:53] to say that it was a state grant. Uh we
[53:55] did it now three years ago. I can't
[53:57] remember specifically. Um but they turf
[54:01] conversion, switching to smart
[54:03] irrigation controllers, those type of
[54:04] programs and uh grants are out there. So
[54:07] um if that's something that we do end up
[54:09] going and funding finance becomes
[54:10] something that keeps us from getting
[54:12] there, um there's programs out there for
[54:14] us. Right on. Well, thank you for all of
[54:17] that. Are there any other questions? I'm
[54:19] sorry.
[54:22] >> I don't have any.
[54:24] >> Okay.
[54:32] Next, uh, business approval of minutes.
[54:35] Presenter Trisha Kramer, Community and
[54:37] Recreation Services Director.
[54:40] >> Thank you, Chairman Teddy and
[54:41] Commissioners. Uh the minutes from the
[54:44] June 11th meeting are in your agenda
[54:47] packets
[54:48] and uh I will leave it to you whether
[54:51] you'd like to uh um move to approve or
[54:55] if you have any recommendations for
[54:57] corre or corrections.
[55:17] Move to approve.
[55:19] >> Second.
[55:21] >> Are there any questions?
[55:24] All in favor say I. I. All oppose.
[55:28] >> The eyes have it.
[55:30] >> Thank you, commissioners.
[55:33] Now, this next section is where I think
[55:36] we're going to we we had discussed
[55:39] moving.
[55:40] Was it was it D moving up into the B slot? Is that what you were
[55:49] thinking?
[55:50] >> I think we first have the elementary
[55:52] school access item or maybe not.
[55:56] >> Yeah, I think we've um let's do B and
[55:59] then we'll skip to D.
[56:02] Copy that. Public access to Lichfield
[56:05] Elementary School playground courts and
[56:08] fields.
[56:10] Presenter Trisha Kramer, community and
[56:12] recreation services director. This is
[56:14] information only. We requested an update
[56:17] um based on previous discussions about
[56:20] incorporating their facilities, LED's
[56:22] facilities into our programming.
[56:26] >> Uh thank you, [clears throat] Chairman
[56:27] Tatty and Commissioners. Uh yes, as of
[56:30] uh Monday the 3 uh first day of school,
[56:34] we did hear back from uh the new
[56:37] facilities coordinator for uh Lichfield
[56:40] Elementary School District um who
[56:43] confirmed to Pat that um the gates at
[56:46] least will be unlocked after school on
[56:48] weekdays and open during the weekends
[56:51] for community as access to the courts
[56:54] and the playgrounds. Um, so that should
[56:57] be in place. Please, um, Pat and I will
[57:00] check. I don't think we did not have a
[57:02] chance, uh, so far, but we will check to
[57:06] see that that's happening. Feel free to
[57:08] do that as well, so that we can, uh,
[57:10] continue that conversation with them as
[57:12] needed and put it out to the community
[57:16] um, once we know for sure that it's
[57:17] happening as stated so that they're
[57:19] aware and can take advantage of that.
[57:21] >> That's great. Thank you.
[57:23] >> That is awesome. Yeah. And to to go back
[57:25] to the original question why we asked
[57:27] there people that live there but have
[57:28] small kids that look at a playground
[57:30] they can't go to that's just sitting
[57:32] there. Right. So it's awesome that'll
[57:35] allow open that up to the public.
[57:37] >> Thank you guys.
[57:38] >> Trisha which gates do you know which
[57:40] gates will be open or
[57:43] >> um it should be the so the cafeteria
[57:46] right when where the bus is. It should
[57:49] be that gate that's right there, right
[57:51] next to the playground. And then on the
[57:53] other side, it should be
[57:56] uh
[57:59] the gate that's right by the first field
[58:03] by the building, closest to the
[58:04] building. There's a there's the gate
[58:06] should be right there. So, it should be
[58:08] on those two sides. So, one on the
[58:10] closer to the basketball courts, one by
[58:11] the playground.
[58:13] >> Nice.
[58:14] >> Can you say again when that should be
[58:16] open? should already be in effect
[58:18] >> like after school and on the weekends.
[58:22] It's supposed to remain open to the
[58:23] public
[58:24] >> until sundown.
[58:26] >> Um
[58:26] >> basically, right?
[58:29] >> For sure.
[58:29] >> Said she didn't say they should be open
[58:31] after hours, but I can confirm that.
[58:33] >> Morning.
[58:35] >> I would think those kids early.
[58:39] >> Yeah.
[58:42] And weekdays, I don't know. I think they
[58:44] might lock a weekends. They might leave
[58:46] it open since
[58:49] um
[58:49] >> we'll get clarification.
[58:50] >> I'll get clarification.
[58:51] >> It'll be good to do some I don't know
[58:53] some sort of public awareness.
[58:55] >> We have a city new pure person.
[58:59] >> Yeah.
[58:59] >> Right.
[59:00] >> We're going to make sure it's in effect
[59:01] before we go telling all the residents
[59:04] to enjoy that
[59:07] >> before take it away again, you know.
[59:10] >> Yeah.
[59:12] >> Well, that's very exciting. Yeah, thank
[59:14] you for that.
[59:15] >> So, I believe we're now gonna This is
[59:18] where we're skipping, right? We're going
[59:19] to go to D. We're going to We're going
[59:21] to go into the action slash comment
[59:25] field lighting for sports presenter
[59:28] commissioner Kristoff Girtz.
[59:31] >> Thank you. Um, so I mean obviously you
[59:34] know the title of the subject. I wanted
[59:36] to start with something that's no shock
[59:37] to anybody here, which is it's hot in
[59:39] the summer and the sun's out late. When
[59:42] it's nice in the winter, the sun goes
[59:44] down early. That translates to our best
[59:47] weather months where kids can play
[59:49] outside, November to February, have an
[59:52] early sunset, which means after school
[59:55] time, there's a limited time to go play
[59:56] outside before it's dark. We have some
[59:59] nice months where there's a good balance
[1:00:01] between sunlight that's available and
[1:00:03] the temperature outside to play. Say
[1:00:04] March, April, October, sort of the the
[1:00:06] shoulder months if you will. And then in
[1:00:08] May and September, as we know, right now
[1:00:10] it's pretty hot and a lot of kids that
[1:00:13] go play or teams that practice try to
[1:00:16] push until later the day or cancel
[1:00:18] because of heat advisories. We recognize
[1:00:21] this need by having litfields in the
[1:00:24] city and around. So in the city we have
[1:00:25] a direct rec center with basketball,
[1:00:27] tennis, pickle ball. Um we have Jackie
[1:00:30] Robinson Field that's lit. The children
[1:00:32] elementary school while it's private and
[1:00:34] now open more. I don't expect the lights
[1:00:35] to be on after school. Um does have lit
[1:00:37] baseball. The wave bomb has lit tennis
[1:00:39] and lit pickle ball and we're not a
[1:00:42] cloistered city. We welcome others to
[1:00:44] participate in our parks as we
[1:00:45] participate in theirs. So very close to
[1:00:47] us um at right next to Millennium High
[1:00:50] School. So a quarter of a mile from
[1:00:52] Lichfield Park city boundaries, you've
[1:00:55] have two lit baseball fields, lit
[1:00:56] volleyball, lit basketball, a tenth of a
[1:01:00] mile that direction outside the city
[1:01:02] boundaries. We have lit tennis, lit
[1:01:03] pickle ball, lit baseball, lit
[1:01:05] basketball, lit volleyball among other
[1:01:07] things like skateboarding. So a lot of
[1:01:09] lit activities. You'll notice what I
[1:01:12] haven't mentioned, general purpose
[1:01:14] fields that are lit. So if you want to
[1:01:16] play flag football, football, soccer,
[1:01:21] lacrosse, any of those things, the
[1:01:23] closest place that's lit that's publicly
[1:01:26] accessible is Friendship Park. If you've
[1:01:29] ever been there, it is booked.
[1:01:32] >> Yep.
[1:01:32] >> And packed
[1:01:33] >> packed
[1:01:34] >> all of the time. So we have a huge
[1:01:36] demand. We have people I know people and
[1:01:39] I've done it that have driven out to
[1:01:40] Sundance Park if anybody knows where
[1:01:42] that is in Buckey which is a beautiful
[1:01:44] park by the way if you've not seen it.
[1:01:46] is a revelation is very nicely
[1:01:49] planned. I love it. I wish I could pick
[1:01:51] it up. We still don't have the land for
[1:01:52] it. Right. This is not going to happen.
[1:01:53] We don't have the land for it. Right.
[1:01:55] But but this is a bit this is my
[1:01:57] [snorts] observation. It's anecdotal. So
[1:01:58] I wanted to pass something around here.
[1:02:00] So I did a little one two three four
[1:02:03] five and I'll need one. And I think
[1:02:06] that's all those students have familiar
[1:02:07] with. There's one left if you guys would
[1:02:09] like I'm not sure. Um there's a an
[1:02:12] organization called the Aspen Institute
[1:02:14] that does a state of play study and this
[1:02:18] is their 2025 study of state of play. So
[1:02:21] if you want to start on the side that's
[1:02:23] horizontal a landscape oriented. These
[1:02:26] are screenshots right off the size page.
[1:02:29] Um they've got age groups there. So they
[1:02:31] do a survey for 6 to 12 and then 13 to
[1:02:34] 17. And what I draw your attention to is
[1:02:38] the right to most columns which are the
[1:02:41] percentage of children who participate
[1:02:44] in a given sport on a regular basis and
[1:02:46] then the five-year delta. So the change
[1:02:49] from the 2019 study. The unfortunate
[1:02:52] thing you might see is well one that
[1:02:54] they're the columns aren't going to add
[1:02:56] up to 100% because not every child
[1:02:58] participates in the sport regularly. Um
[1:03:00] if you were to add them up though you
[1:03:02] would see that from 2014 until today
[1:03:05] there's an overall decrease generally
[1:03:07] speaking of children that are
[1:03:10] participating in sports. So obviously we
[1:03:12] want to be a part of making that go the
[1:03:14] other direction. This is interesting but
[1:03:17] it's not in it's not super useful in the
[1:03:19] discussion on time to drive. and we turn
[1:03:21] over to the other side. I've taken the
[1:03:23] liberty of at least aggregating the data
[1:03:24] a little bit and I've grouped these
[1:03:27] sports together in things that are
[1:03:28] meaningful in terms of the spaces that
[1:03:30] we're talking about. Um so baseball and
[1:03:32] softball I threw together as baseball
[1:03:34] softball basketball is just basketball.
[1:03:37] Um under NA I put together all the
[1:03:39] things that are probably outside of what
[1:03:41] we can affect. Uh, so cheerleading,
[1:03:43] golf, gymnastics, ice hockey, swimming.
[1:03:45] We have a space. We're probably not
[1:03:46] building another pool. Track and field,
[1:03:48] and wrestling, right? Open field is flag
[1:03:51] football, tackle football, lacrosse, and
[1:03:53] soccer. I do want to call out flag
[1:03:55] football for a second. One of the things
[1:03:57] that was interesting in the study is the
[1:03:59] fastest growing sport is girls flag
[1:04:01] football, which surprised me. I didn't
[1:04:03] realize that, but it's huge, right? Um,
[1:04:06] tennis is tennis, uh, volleyball is
[1:04:07] volleyball. You play those, where you
[1:04:08] play those, they're they're they're that
[1:04:10] thing, right? So if you take a look at
[1:04:12] the age groups the either the 6 to 12 or
[1:04:15] the 13 to 17 and look at open field that
[1:04:18] in the case of the younger kids makes up
[1:04:20] about 15% of kids playing that and um
[1:04:25] the older group about 17%. And on the
[1:04:28] older groups it's trending down a little
[1:04:30] bit. Everything's kind of trending down.
[1:04:31] So tennis on the younger kids it's about
[1:04:34] 2% down. Some are down more than others.
[1:04:36] Again tennis starting kind of a low
[1:04:37] numbers is up right. Um, and I'm what I
[1:04:41] want to call out in this is not one
[1:04:43] sport versus another, but a comparison
[1:04:46] of we have lit spaces for just about
[1:04:49] everything on this list, except we have
[1:04:52] zero lit spaces for fields. I don't know
[1:04:56] the answer for this. This is the problem
[1:04:58] statement I want to put out there. I'm
[1:05:00] not saying I'm proposing we do X for Y.
[1:05:03] I wanted to put it out there for you
[1:05:04] guys to think about and talk about and for staff consider as well and
[1:05:09] whether it's something that we're able
[1:05:10] to do or able to work with the other
[1:05:13] municipalities around us or the schools
[1:05:15] maybe it's like the the the fields are a
[1:05:20] limiting factor the lit fields are an
[1:05:22] absolute limiting factor in field sports
[1:05:24] in West Valley.
[1:05:26] So I don't like like I said I don't have
[1:05:27] an answer on it. I just know it's it's a
[1:05:31] like we're capped
[1:05:33] So, any thoughts?
[1:05:36] >> Thank you for that.
[1:05:39] [laughter]
[1:05:41] >> I'm not in charge.
[1:05:43] >> I would say that the main difference is probably the type
[1:05:46] of lighting. I mean, an open field's
[1:05:48] going to have huge lights that affect a
[1:05:51] lot more
[1:05:53] >> the immediate area, which makes them
[1:05:56] >> harder harder to do. Um,
[1:05:59] >> I happen to live next to Millennium who
[1:06:01] just put in practice fields with huge
[1:06:03] lit lights that have
[1:06:07] football flag of football all the time.
[1:06:10] Young kids, not high school kids. So, I
[1:06:12] know that space is is available. I don't
[1:06:15] know make use of it. I don't think so. I
[1:06:18] don't know who use
[1:06:18] >> We don't use any of uh LED or
[1:06:24] um pardon me aquafria. We don't use
[1:06:26] either. Yeah, but I don't know that
[1:06:28] might be something to to look at just to
[1:06:31] get an idea of how they did it.
[1:06:34] >> I wholeheartedly agree. I remember one
[1:06:36] spot time and Pat, you may I used to
[1:06:38] bring portable lights to Aleppo because
[1:06:40] I had basketball practices and by six
[1:06:42] o'clock it was dark out and so I brought
[1:06:44] my own lights and I didn't hear
[1:06:46] [laughter] that
[1:06:48] 10 years ago probably. Um but uh I just
[1:06:51] I imagine that the the hurdles we face
[1:06:53] are a cost and b light pollution.
[1:06:57] >> Yeah. And if I may on light pollution,
[1:06:59] there's a big difference between the
[1:07:00] light leakage from the older style
[1:07:02] lights. Yeah. Absolutely.
[1:07:03] >> Versus Jackie Robinson field that have
[1:07:05] lights that are very high up. And I know
[1:07:06] it was a concern when we put that in,
[1:07:08] but they're like they're dialed in,
[1:07:10] right? You drive by their night, hey,
[1:07:12] you can see the field, but it's not like
[1:07:13] the houses are lit up half locked down
[1:07:15] like older lights on.
[1:07:16] >> Yeah. those neighbors, that
[1:07:18] neighborhood's very happy, too. And that
[1:07:20] was that was a big process, if you guys
[1:07:22] remember.
[1:07:23] >> Yeah.
[1:07:24] >> Um that was, you know, it took a lot of
[1:07:26] doing. Sunny actually went over there
[1:07:28] and
[1:07:29] >> he talked to every one of those
[1:07:30] neighbors in that neighborhood and said,
[1:07:32] "This is what we're trying to do. This
[1:07:33] is the technology we're using to make
[1:07:36] sure the light pollution won't destroy
[1:07:38] your living room at, you know, nine
[1:07:40] o'clock at night when T-ball's finishing
[1:07:42] up or whatever.
[1:07:44] >> We have four parks that would be
[1:07:45] candidates for that. came back stag and
[1:07:47] scout
[1:07:49] >> turtle age too.
[1:07:50] >> Yeah. I think one of the big hurdles is
[1:07:53] all the courts and things you talked
[1:07:55] about where they're lit. They're not
[1:07:58] generally right by houses like the rec
[1:08:01] center. You know, most of the ones I can
[1:08:02] think that you listed, they're not right
[1:08:04] by houses. So, I I anticipate there
[1:08:07] would be some push back to people that
[1:08:10] are used to kind of having it quiet in
[1:08:11] their neighborhood at night versus all
[1:08:13] of a sudden there's a lot of activity
[1:08:14] and lights. So, I think that that's that
[1:08:17] would be a hurdle that we'd have to
[1:08:19] address as the resident,
[1:08:21] >> but it would probably have to end at
[1:08:23] 9:00 or something like that. And I mean,
[1:08:26] you know, that's normal.
[1:08:28] >> Yeah.
[1:08:29] >> I don't know. For me, the big picture
[1:08:31] being, you know, the old grandma up here
[1:08:33] is if we can do anything to make these
[1:08:35] numbers go up and get kids away from
[1:08:38] their screens and outside playing with
[1:08:39] each other,
[1:08:41] >> I'm for it. So, I don't know. I Yeah.
[1:08:44] And but I do agree about lights in
[1:08:46] neighborhoods and making sure that, you
[1:08:49] know, they shine down and that kind of
[1:08:51] thing. So, I'm glad you brought it up.
[1:08:53] Would this be something that
[1:08:57] our
[1:08:58] city leagues
[1:09:01] would use? I mean, I don't want to build
[1:09:03] something just for the other cities,
[1:09:05] right? I mean,
[1:09:07] >> no.
[1:09:08] >> Lit fields like with the I want to hear
[1:09:10] from you, Pat, is what I'm trying to
[1:09:11] say. [laughter]
[1:09:12] >> Yeah. I mean, if we did have lit fields,
[1:09:15] we would definitely use it. The biggest
[1:09:16] thing is we get especially in the spring
[1:09:19] when soccer season's going on is why
[1:09:21] don't we do winter soccer or other
[1:09:23] soccer.
[1:09:24] >> Yeah.
[1:09:24] >> Um comes into a twofold kind of thing
[1:09:27] where the fall we we have a lot of our
[1:09:30] parks are being used with t-ball or flag
[1:09:31] football as it is. Um but we would love
[1:09:34] to do winter. It's just the issue is
[1:09:37] we don't have lights and so
[1:09:39] >> um games we fine because on Saturdays
[1:09:42] but it just practices be an issue
[1:09:44] because by the time if 5:00 hits it's
[1:09:46] already getting dark and we don't want
[1:09:48] to be like hey thanks for coaching find
[1:09:50] your own practice location. Um we've
[1:09:53] checked with the school to see what that
[1:09:55] would charge um to use their fields, but
[1:09:58] if we did have fields of our own that
[1:10:00] are lit and able to use practices, that
[1:10:02] would definitely open up the doors for
[1:10:05] more sports like winter teball, winter
[1:10:07] soccer, and other possible programs that
[1:10:09] we could kind of implement that. You
[1:10:12] know, obviously the weather is good
[1:10:14] during that time. It's just we don't
[1:10:15] have any lights or fields to be able to
[1:10:17] use. So
[1:10:19] >> you mentioned schools having facilities
[1:10:21] that are available
[1:10:23] >> that comes
[1:10:24] >> I mean the cost of building one versus
[1:10:26] the cost of renting one
[1:10:29] >> would come into play but you're saying
[1:10:30] there's facilities that are available to
[1:10:32] rent that would have like enough
[1:10:34] capacity do you think? uh it limits to
[1:10:37] what we really have. Like if it's
[1:10:38] Western Sky, it's comes down to
[1:10:42] really the cost to renting it, the
[1:10:44] lights, and then also there's they also
[1:10:46] have other programs going on at the same time where we would be able to
[1:10:51] kind of control what's like these are
[1:10:53] our for our sports. They they reserve it
[1:10:56] out to other leagues. those fields are
[1:10:58] >> fields
[1:11:00] >> and we can control we can kind of
[1:11:03] control uh the field conditions whereas
[1:11:06] the school um I know you guys asked
[1:11:08] about the T-ball fields back um back
[1:11:11] there that was an issue also was the
[1:11:13] weeds were growing and we started
[1:11:14] getting complaints when we moved over
[1:11:16] there that thorns were getting stuck in
[1:11:18] the balls in there. So, you know, we
[1:11:20] kind of just
[1:11:23] would be stuck with whatever the field
[1:11:24] conditions are. Um, compared to if it
[1:11:26] was our own parks, obviously we' be
[1:11:30] like, "Hey, Kevin,
[1:11:32] >> there's a go for again."
[1:11:33] >> That's a good talking point because the
[1:11:36] lights are great, but with the increase
[1:11:38] of operating hours, we now need more
[1:11:41] coverage and enforcement. you know,
[1:11:43] who's going to be at the field while the
[1:11:45] lights are on to tell you that you don't
[1:11:47] have the field reserved and that that is
[1:11:48] for the team that paid the money. And so
[1:11:51] then the extra cost for the staff to
[1:11:53] constantly keeping them maintained, but
[1:11:56] for the city of Poria, lights and fields
[1:11:58] were amazing revenue generators. If we
[1:12:01] had lights on and it had something you
[1:12:02] could play on underneath it, there were
[1:12:04] club teams reaching out from us from
[1:12:06] everywhere to just want to rent them to
[1:12:07] take care of them. So, um, wherever you
[1:12:10] put it, whether it's for league or just,
[1:12:12] you know, revenue generating in general,
[1:12:14] I mean, I see plenty of citizens
[1:12:16] throughout the week that are looking to
[1:12:18] have the T-ball park to themselves to
[1:12:20] just hit some softballs or to go out and
[1:12:22] do a a skills camp with some soccer kids
[1:12:24] at Turtle. I see them do that two or
[1:12:25] three times. Same thing with Camel Back.
[1:12:27] Um, so those are revenue opportunities
[1:12:30] where we would they're probably doing it
[1:12:32] in the evening anyway where you can just
[1:12:33] flip the lights on for them and charge
[1:12:35] them a fee for it. Oh, okay.
[1:12:37] >> Well, there there's there and um I'm
[1:12:40] sorry I just completely stepped on your
[1:12:42] hand up there, but they've like uh Pat
[1:12:45] and I have discussed before as I'm sure
[1:12:47] all the other people who have coached in
[1:12:49] the room. There there are a lot of
[1:12:51] people who just kind of walk onto our
[1:12:52] facilities without really renting and
[1:12:55] you know it's you you say something to
[1:12:57] them in as nice a way as you can like
[1:12:59] hey man you should really make sure
[1:13:01] you're doing this on the books. We even
[1:13:03] had an ROC club exercising camel for the
[1:13:07] longest time. Do you remember?
[1:13:10] >> There was a storefront there over by
[1:13:12] that Owens place by behind
[1:13:15] >> Oh yeah. had recruiting.
[1:13:17] >> It was up to like 20 25 people at times.
[1:13:20] Not that you know
[1:13:23] >> cross country team meets at the Ellis
[1:13:25] Square every morning before they run and
[1:13:27] go do practice. Yeah.
[1:13:28] >> And they cruise the neighborhood. And
[1:13:29] that's a little bit different than the
[1:13:31] actual like just use of a field for x
[1:13:33] amount of time, you know,
[1:13:36] >> and um I want to maybe reemphasize 2.1
[1:13:40] um the conditions of fields like we in
[1:13:42] the winter especially have phenomenal
[1:13:44] grass. And if you compare that
[1:13:48] the [clears throat] local schools that
[1:13:49] are available for rent, it is like one
[1:13:51] is dangerous and the other is like it's
[1:13:54] kind of they're that far apart.
[1:13:57] And if you look at the what clubs charge
[1:14:00] if you want sorry what school district
[1:14:02] charges a club to rent out the field
[1:14:04] it's obscene. So whether it's a money
[1:14:06] maker or it's available for us or a
[1:14:08] combination of the two like those that
[1:14:11] is a real thing.
[1:14:12] >> You make a great point because you're
[1:14:14] one of the few cities that still
[1:14:16] transitions to rye everywhere. No one
[1:14:19] hardly does it and if they do they do it
[1:14:21] on professional sports fields or
[1:14:22] programmable sports fields. So, if you
[1:14:24] guys are transitioning already,
[1:14:25] [clears throat]
[1:14:26] it makes sense where everyone wants to
[1:14:28] be at those beautiful the best looking
[1:14:30] fields in the winter are going to be
[1:14:32] here. You might as well light them up
[1:14:33] for them and collect something. Yeah.
[1:14:35] >> Yeah. They're most of the time they're
[1:14:37] usable with stars, right? So, we look at
[1:14:39] them during the day when we're at work,
[1:14:41] >> right? Um but so I I don't know where we
[1:14:44] go from here. I mean, I think there's
[1:14:45] some parks that are if we were to do
[1:14:47] something in LH Park that are better
[1:14:50] suited than others. And Mr. Faith to
[1:14:52] your point like there are some that are
[1:14:54] more in neighborhoods than and some that
[1:14:56] are little less in neighborhoods. So
[1:14:57] Camelback for example has more street
[1:15:00] but budding right
[1:15:01] >> park acreage and and turtle as well. Um
[1:15:04] Camelback more though because it's got
[1:15:06] like a full 90 degrees right and then
[1:15:08] the the
[1:15:09] >> the curvature of the street just I think
[1:15:11] might lend itself to it. Plus we've got
[1:15:12] work there anyway. Um
[1:15:14] >> new parking there as well.
[1:15:16] >> Yeah. So that that's the one that makes
[1:15:18] the most sense to me. Um, but I don't
[1:15:21] know, and I guess I'm looking to you
[1:15:22] guys for advice. Like, do we ask you to
[1:15:26] look into this? This is not something
[1:15:28] that's going to get done this year. I
[1:15:30] know that. But like, how do we set the
[1:15:32] wheels in motion on on this
[1:15:34] conversation?
[1:15:40] » We can certainly start the process
[1:15:42] internally to start thinking about pros
[1:15:45] and cons for that. But I think that at
[1:15:49] your level that needs to be done too. I
[1:15:51] think you guys need to take the pulse of
[1:15:53] the community to find out if there's
[1:15:56] truly any interest. And if there is,
[1:15:58] what would what would your neighbors
[1:16:00] think is the best part to have it at?
[1:16:03] That kind of stuff. And and keep having
[1:16:05] those conversations with them. And we
[1:16:07] can maybe set set it on the agenda
[1:16:11] a couple months from now and see where
[1:16:13] everybody's gathered info and and come
[1:16:16] back to that. Um because this will be a
[1:16:18] building process to get it to a point
[1:16:20] where we want to ask city admin to get
[1:16:24] this on the proposed capital improvement
[1:16:27] plan so that that can go to council
[1:16:30] because these are big ticket items that
[1:16:32] are going to need council's buy into.
[1:16:35] >> What what would when does the next
[1:16:37] planning cycle for that start? Capital
[1:16:39] improvements.
[1:16:41] Um really it seems like
[1:16:45] December, January because those are all
[1:16:48] being discussed February, March, April,
[1:16:51] those things are all getting locked
[1:16:53] down.
[1:16:54] >> Um
[1:16:55] >> okay. So that we we would if we want to
[1:16:57] try try it first time, right? That time.
[1:17:02] >> Yeah.
[1:17:02] >> Okay.
[1:17:03] >> All right. Yep. So you guys have that
[1:17:05] data. The uh the URL to where all this
[1:17:08] data comes from projectplay.org orange
[1:17:10] is at the bottom of the lab u to send
[1:17:13] this out in digital format to include it
[1:17:17] discuss.
[1:17:18] >> Yeah, we'll get that so that we can keep
[1:17:20] that on file in case there's ever a a
[1:17:23] public request for that.
[1:17:25] >> Okay. Is there anything that we should
[1:17:27] ask you to do at this point besides get
[1:17:30] this on a future agenda or start to
[1:17:33] socialize it within staff?
[1:17:36] >> Do you need a motion to direct you to
[1:17:38] something or no? Um, no, we don't need
[1:17:40] any formal motion.
[1:17:42] >> Okay. I
[1:17:42] >> think we can just ask you guys to look
[1:17:44] into it. Yeah.
[1:17:46] >> Come back to us with some
[1:17:48] >> generalities.
[1:17:49] >> Yeah. So, you essentially direct staff
[1:17:51] to to start looking into it and then you
[1:17:55] guys will do the same.
[1:17:58] >> There is excess land by Jackie Robinson
[1:18:02] his lights. the parking behind on the uh
[1:18:07] east side.
[1:18:08] >> Yeah, it's true. It's just a bunch of
[1:18:11] dirt
[1:18:13] pipes.
[1:18:14] >> Every time I try to use it, I get told
[1:18:16] no. So, you guys want to give me
[1:18:18] permission to use it? I'd be more than
[1:18:20] happy.
[1:18:20] >> I would give you permission to remove
[1:18:22] those big pipes that are supposed to go
[1:18:24] underground right there.
[1:18:26] >> Yeah. I was told that's for the drainage
[1:18:28] project to help with the camel back
[1:18:31] road. And I asked when that project was
[1:18:33] happening and everyone said those pipes
[1:18:34] are still there.
[1:18:37] >> Well,
[1:18:38] >> yeah, they're they're secured very
[1:18:39] nicely. Um
[1:18:40] >> I will say that is the parking lot for
[1:18:42] Jackie.
[1:18:43] >> Yeah.
[1:18:43] >> Um
[1:18:44] >> there's a bunch of land.
[1:18:45] >> Yeah.
[1:18:46] >> On the other side of the parking lot, I
[1:18:47] think.
[1:18:48] >> So
[1:18:49] >> that definitely isn't being utilized.
[1:18:51] Yeah.
[1:18:52] >> Yeah.
[1:18:52] >> Um and we do have I know it wasn't on
[1:18:54] here. It'll be in our next meeting, but
[1:18:56] we are engineering wise, they are moving
[1:19:00] the wall at Camelback Park starting in
[1:19:02] September.
[1:19:03] >> Um, so that's part of Keith's
[1:19:05] engineering department. Um, but I'll
[1:19:07] bring you guys at least something to
[1:19:09] report on that once that project started
[1:19:10] in September.
[1:19:12] >> Awesome.
[1:19:15] >> Thank you.
[1:19:16] Yeah.
[1:19:23] » Scout Park T-ball field presenter Trisha
[1:19:27] Kramer, Community and Recreation
[1:19:29] Services Director Action and Comment.
[1:19:33] >> Thank you, Chairman Teddy and
[1:19:35] Commissioners. Um, I'll just briefly
[1:19:38] share a little bit of background and
[1:19:39] then, um, Pat has been working on this a
[1:19:43] bit, so I'll have him, uh, fill you in
[1:19:46] on any details, too. But um we started
[1:19:48] to discuss this back at our April
[1:19:50] meeting. Um
[1:19:53] we had on the um fiscal year 26 budget.
[1:19:59] There was um a capital improvement
[1:20:02] opportunity to uh do some upgrades and
[1:20:06] add a T-ball field at Turtle Park.
[1:20:09] initially was the recommendation from uh
[1:20:11] city administration and staff uh did
[1:20:15] some looking and went over there and got
[1:20:18] some quotes and then uh went to some of
[1:20:22] the other fields and we determined that
[1:20:25] we have a back stop that's in better use
[1:20:28] at Scout Park and uh took a look and
[1:20:33] came to you in April essentially saying
[1:20:36] hey what do you think about this
[1:20:37] opportunity at Scout park and and having
[1:20:40] the dirt in fields. And uh we received
[1:20:43] your direction to take a look and uh
[1:20:48] meet with people to see if there was a
[1:20:51] better location than where the back stop
[1:20:54] currently is to make the best use of the
[1:20:56] park overall.
[1:20:58] And so Pat met with a couple of vendors.
[1:21:01] I know um public grounds crew also um
[1:21:05] did some communicating with him on this.
[1:21:08] and he's got some answers for you and uh
[1:21:11] once you get that info from him, we're
[1:21:13] looking for feedback from you guys on um
[1:21:16] the proposed placement and layout.
[1:21:20] Thank you, Trisha. So, um as Trisha
[1:21:23] mentioned, I did have uh two companies
[1:21:25] come out um and to take a look at um
[1:21:29] Scout Park and where the placement would
[1:21:31] be and what their thoughts were. Um I
[1:21:33] know question was do we leave it
[1:21:35] currently or is there another area that
[1:21:37] we can move it to? Um so on the picture
[1:21:41] you see now it's kind of what the final
[1:21:43] plan was. Um we after looking at all the
[1:21:46] areas that is going to be leaving it
[1:21:48] where it's at is going to be the best
[1:21:50] option. We did look if um at a corner
[1:21:54] that's close that's behind the bushes
[1:21:56] that that's between the park and the
[1:21:58] parking lot at the wigwam to see if we
[1:22:00] can move it that way and kind of facing
[1:22:02] in and out that way. So because I know
[1:22:04] um when we discussed this one of the
[1:22:06] concerns was to you know having a
[1:22:08] baseball field right that close to the
[1:22:10] park as well as the the street and just
[1:22:13] being wide out in the open and losing
[1:22:16] kind of that grass area. The issue we
[1:22:18] came there was that's where also all the
[1:22:21] uh boxes and controls for the irrigation
[1:22:24] were. So it would be a lot bigger
[1:22:28] project to try to move those to a
[1:22:29] different area to have that. Um so where
[1:22:33] it's at now the irrigation it's a lot
[1:22:35] easier to kind of just dig out the
[1:22:37] irrigation, move the irrigation where
[1:22:38] it's needed um and go from there. Um the
[1:22:42] plan would be moving the back stop 10
[1:22:44] feet as you could tell in the picture.
[1:22:47] um closer to the the field to give it
[1:22:49] the so it's not right up against the
[1:22:52] sidewalk so the bleachers have an area
[1:22:54] to go to. They will the company will
[1:22:58] move that they will also dig it up and
[1:23:00] then work with public grounds um uh when
[1:23:03] it comes to irrigation. The company we
[1:23:05] one of the companies said that it would
[1:23:07] come at no cost where they dig it up
[1:23:09] help supervise and work with them to get
[1:23:12] the new irrigation where it needs to go
[1:23:14] and have the holes there and everything
[1:23:15] there. Um they would put the dirt down.
[1:23:18] The dirt will go basically from the back
[1:23:21] stop all the way to the grass line. And
[1:23:23] then the grass line will be kind of a
[1:23:25] smaller instead of like stags or jackie.
[1:23:27] It'll be from home plate. And then it'll
[1:23:29] be 50 uh yard 50 feet from home plate to
[1:23:33] the grass line behind first and third
[1:23:35] base and then 70 feet to the grass line
[1:23:37] behind uh second base. So, um, we kind
[1:23:41] of took I just took a screenshot of what
[1:23:43] stags, um, the dirt is and kind of to
[1:23:46] show you guys where that would be. Um,
[1:23:48] they would also kind of extend the fence
[1:23:51] and then put a dugout kind of like what
[1:23:53] Stags has as well. So,
[1:24:02] » that's this is stack superimposed off
[1:24:05] scout. Yeah, that's just I took stags
[1:24:07] parked and then just put it on the scout
[1:24:09] to kind of show what where it would be.
[1:24:11] obviously more of the dirt.
[1:24:14] So the dirt will be it'll the whole
[1:24:16] field will just be the dirt from the
[1:24:18] back stop to the grass line and make it
[1:24:20] kind of look like the field like we we
[1:24:22] did at stags. Uh there we we're not
[1:24:25] going to we're have going to have a
[1:24:26] permanent home base in there, but we're
[1:24:28] not going to do um the anchors or
[1:24:31] anything like that for the bases. That's
[1:24:34] more being T- ball. We just throw the
[1:24:36] bases down and throw down bases and we
[1:24:39] don't have to worry about um the anchors
[1:24:41] getting torn out or played with or or
[1:24:43] kids running on the field and tripping
[1:24:45] on those. So
[1:24:46] >> are and are you proposing a fences shown
[1:24:49] on here past the dugout as well?
[1:24:52] >> Um no. So the fence would just basically
[1:24:54] add it on to the the the white line is
[1:24:56] just basically showing where the grass
[1:24:59] the the grass line would start from home
[1:25:01] base. Um it it'll basically start from
[1:25:05] just like it stags it go from the back
[1:25:07] stop go all the way to where the end of
[1:25:09] the dugout is and then that that's all
[1:25:11] the fence will be.
[1:25:13] >> So no extended fence past the dugout.
[1:25:15] >> No. Yeah. Once the dugout's done the
[1:25:16] fence will be right there.
[1:25:18] >> Some of the dugouts I don't think it has
[1:25:19] a dugout there now. Does it?
[1:25:21] >> Stags does. Scout doesn't know. Scout's
[1:25:23] just a but it would be like stags.
[1:25:24] >> But it would be like stags. Yeah.
[1:25:26] >> Where have a se it'll have a cement uh
[1:25:28] pad and then just a bench and then it'll
[1:25:31] just be a kind of fenced chain linked
[1:25:33] around. Yeah.
[1:25:37] » Sure. Um yeah, I could say I I like it
[1:25:41] pushed out from where it currently is
[1:25:44] because
[1:25:44] >> I do like visually seeing that there's
[1:25:46] space between the playground and like
[1:25:49] where there will be the back stop and
[1:25:50] everything. There's some cushion in
[1:25:52] there and from the road. Um, so that
[1:25:55] location looks pretty good from my viewpoint. Um,
[1:26:02] might be beneficial before any like
[1:26:04] final decisions are made to like go out
[1:26:07] and tape like chalk it out just to get a
[1:26:09] visualization.
[1:26:11] But yeah, my my impression from the
[1:26:14] picture I like what I'm seeing. does I
[1:26:17] know that you've run two fields there in
[1:26:19] the past I think for flag football right
[1:26:21] so yeah flag football um would be moved
[1:26:23] to turtle so you would you wouldn't be
[1:26:26] able to run any flag there anymore
[1:26:28] >> no because the two fields
[1:26:30] right now we had to adjust one of the
[1:26:33] fields for flag football because it we
[1:26:35] weren't able to get the 300 feet well
[1:26:37] when we they when they put the new
[1:26:39] sidewalk in with the ramada it kind of that moving it to park would
[1:26:44] give us back the possibility the full
[1:26:46] 300 and then putting here as well as uh
[1:26:50] U6 soccer would move to scout as well in
[1:26:52] the spring.
[1:26:54] >> So there would be a multi-purpose for
[1:26:56] the rest of that still.
[1:26:57] >> Yeah. Basically whatever we have at at
[1:26:59] turtle like the US soccer the t-ball we would move move to here and then
[1:27:05] flack the ball would go to go to turtle
[1:27:07] the grass area. I apologize if you just
[1:27:09] answered this, but
[1:27:12] moving the the T-ball over to scout,
[1:27:18] does that then mean
[1:27:20] that the only thing happening while the
[1:27:23] T-ball is happening is the T-ball or can
[1:27:26] you can you do T-ball on one side of the
[1:27:29] field and something else on the other or
[1:27:33] is it is that just too much?
[1:27:35] >> That would be too much uh parking. It's
[1:27:38] would still be we while we do have that
[1:27:40] dirt lot by the scout scout lodge as
[1:27:42] well as the parking on the side. Um I
[1:27:45] think if we add more then the spots
[1:27:48] would parking would still be kind of
[1:27:50] become an issue at this time.
[1:27:51] >> Parking is not easy there.
[1:27:53] >> Yeah. For this park specifically, our
[1:27:55] irrigation system needs to be
[1:27:58] re-engineered because on that north end,
[1:28:01] you're not even able to grow grass well
[1:28:03] enough to play on because the pressure
[1:28:05] is too low. And it's not low because of
[1:28:07] Liberty. It's low because when this park
[1:28:10] was designed or the staff through the
[1:28:11] years modified it, there's too many
[1:28:13] heads in one line or in one zone. So
[1:28:18] this irrigation system has a booster
[1:28:19] pump and it was also a booster pump that
[1:28:22] was rated too small for this size
[1:28:23] system. So this park inherently has an
[1:28:26] irrigation system that is causing you
[1:28:29] guys a lot of problems programming as
[1:28:31] well. So um there's a bigger problem
[1:28:33] there than just the baseball. But yeah,
[1:28:35] the the fields where you would be able
[1:28:37] to play were not even able to put the
[1:28:39] grass green enough or dense enough for
[1:28:41] people to play on without it being a
[1:28:43] hazard.
[1:28:45] Can we fix that as part of this?
[1:28:47] Absolutely. This would be definitely
[1:28:50] something that we could look at. Um,
[1:28:51] like Pat's talking about. And if if it's
[1:28:54] the direction we go where we're doing an
[1:28:56] irrigation system with the field, moving
[1:28:59] those valves and backflows while we're
[1:29:01] doing that gives us more flexibility and
[1:29:03] options. So, if that was something that
[1:29:04] was keeping us from positioning the
[1:29:07] field, if we're going to look at that
[1:29:08] whole system as an entirety, we may be
[1:29:11] able to grant ourselves some more
[1:29:12] flexibility as well.
[1:29:15] because the the ultimate go I see your
[1:29:17] hand
[1:29:19] commissioner G why don't you go first
[1:29:20] then I'll
[1:29:21] >> so I mean we're doing the system maybe
[1:29:23] the where the valve boxes are today has
[1:29:26] been moved um my initial concern with
[1:29:30] the location was that we're taking one
[1:29:32] of the most beautiful vantage points
[1:29:34] into our park into you're looking at the
[1:29:37] back of bleachers which aren't shown
[1:29:39] here and a chain fence and I I
[1:29:45] It seems to me like a downgrade to the
[1:29:48] park where we're putting it. Um I don't
[1:29:51] know whether we're open to reducing the
[1:29:53] dugout impact or maybe not putting down
[1:29:57] dirt. I never played t-ball, but my
[1:29:59] neighbors that are very avid baseball
[1:30:02] said you don't like te-ball and grass is
[1:30:04] fine. Um, so I don't know is that are we
[1:30:08] open to maybe not making such a hard
[1:30:11] change to the view that not just the
[1:30:15] neighbors but the people that are going
[1:30:16] to be in the park closest to our city
[1:30:18] center are going to have that bleachers
[1:30:20] and Shamley the back of bleachers and
[1:30:22] Shamley pensions.
[1:30:27] And can I because this kind of um is
[1:30:31] maybe is part of my thinking and what
[1:30:34] you just said too. I feel like as well
[1:30:37] like we're we're moving away from using
[1:30:40] the field the little T-ball field
[1:30:42] because that's the one I coached on when
[1:30:44] um my kiddos were T-ball age. So the the
[1:30:49] field at led pardon me.
[1:30:53] we don't want to use that field I guess
[1:30:54] because it's in just not great condition
[1:30:56] but now that they're kind of opening up
[1:30:58] to us a little bit more um or is what
[1:31:02] you're proposing here in lie of using
[1:31:04] that field for like a t-ball.
[1:31:09] So this would be cuz right now currently
[1:31:12] when so if we did this it'll kind of
[1:31:15] open up a few other avenues where right
[1:31:18] now we have winter t-ball um going on um
[1:31:22] but for practices with the lighting we
[1:31:24] use Jackie Robinson and so we have that
[1:31:29] for the practices where as well as using
[1:31:32] Jackie Robinson for the games at five
[1:31:34] and six and then we use stags for the
[1:31:36] three and four uh t-ball age group. If
[1:31:40] we get another field, um that would open
[1:31:43] up a chance to be able to get do another
[1:31:45] coach pitch season in the winter where
[1:31:48] coach pitch 78 would go winter as well,
[1:31:51] do practices just like we have been
[1:31:53] doing, but they would coach pitch would
[1:31:55] be on Saturdays at Jackie and then we
[1:31:57] would be able to move the older T-ball
[1:32:00] to this field. Um and then when we do
[1:32:03] close other parks for overseating it
[1:32:06] goes from
[1:32:07] you know the three and four year old is
[1:32:10] on stags when we close that it goes to
[1:32:12] t-ball where then we move that to turtle
[1:32:15] where it's just all grass and they still
[1:32:18] can play with it but the ball doesn't
[1:32:20] roll and once it hits the grass it does
[1:32:22] slow it down and it doesn't roll like it
[1:32:24] normally would. So they go from a field
[1:32:26] and we've have had some parents asking
[1:32:28] why it goes from a baseball field to the
[1:32:31] grass area because I mean it's three and
[1:32:34] four and they still hit it and they
[1:32:35] still run but the ball doesn't roll like
[1:32:37] it would on a normal baseball field. You
[1:32:40] could still play on it. It's not saying
[1:32:41] the grass is anything like a bigger
[1:32:44] difference but it does obviously slow
[1:32:46] the ball down compared to what a
[1:32:48] baseball field is. it is a higher
[1:32:50] maintenance cost and tougher to keep
[1:32:52] straight and with the dirt at you have
[1:32:55] more applications for not just t-ball
[1:32:57] and lily but softball as well. So yeah,
[1:33:00] we've a lot of the larger parks from the
[1:33:03] municipalities that I've come from have
[1:33:04] done away from the infield skins that
[1:33:07] grass design. So yeah, it's just been
[1:33:09] that open kind of dirt.
[1:33:12] I I I I understand Kristoff's point
[1:33:15] about, you know, from Lichfield Square
[1:33:17] to the viewpoint there. That's that's
[1:33:19] not a a gorgeous view on the back of
[1:33:21] Bleachers. And I don't think I I'm I'm
[1:33:24] getting old and it's been a long time
[1:33:25] since I coached 34T ball, but I don't
[1:33:27] remember there being bleachers at Stags.
[1:33:30] >> Well, they're
[1:33:32] bleachers now.
[1:33:33] >> They're not big.
[1:33:34] >> They're not like back stop. It's like a
[1:33:36] little
[1:33:38] >> free
[1:33:39] >> and and I think 85% of parents bring a
[1:33:42] chair.
[1:33:42] >> Um we do have bleachers for scout and
[1:33:45] turtle. Okay.
[1:33:46] >> Um we have them at stags now to give the
[1:33:49] option park.
[1:33:50] >> Uh they're not there.
[1:33:52] >> They're we have them for turtle. We
[1:33:55] they're in the yard.
[1:33:56] >> I think the happy medium, you know, is not maybe maybe without bleachers
[1:34:01] there. So that it's, you know, and that
[1:34:03] probably helps with milling and all that
[1:34:05] kind of fun stuff, right?
[1:34:06] >> Um, but then it also keeps, you know, a
[1:34:08] nice view, you know, the chain link that
[1:34:11] you see through it. And, you know, we
[1:34:13] would expect to see dirt on the infield
[1:34:14] of a baseball field. That's fine. But
[1:34:16] maybe there's a happy medium there.
[1:34:21] in your well in this summary here it says that companies were talked to
[1:34:27] and both of them said that this is the
[1:34:29] best way to to do it but what were they
[1:34:33] evaluating it based on I mean is that
[1:34:35] based on cost or functionality of the
[1:34:38] baseball field and I mean I would assume
[1:34:41] that they were not evaluating it based
[1:34:44] on how it looks from across the street.
[1:34:48] >> Yeah. No, they they were it was based on
[1:34:50] the cost of um work that would have to
[1:34:53] be entail of either moving this
[1:34:56] irrigation or this irrigation. That's
[1:34:57] kind of they weren't looking at what's
[1:34:59] going to be obviously the view and
[1:35:01] everything. It's just more cost
[1:35:03] efficiency.
[1:35:04] >> Yeah.
[1:35:05] >> I mean I I definitely agree that I don't love the idea from a like a view
[1:35:14] point. I think that there's like if you
[1:35:17] were to put the field
[1:35:21] to the east pointing the other
[1:35:24] direction, you know, it's T-ball, so
[1:35:26] you're not going to have balls flying
[1:35:28] off over the back stop to where it would
[1:35:31] be like a hazard to the building that's
[1:35:34] going to go there eventually and it
[1:35:36] would just open up the park more
[1:35:41] >> or the what we talked about. I know that
[1:35:43] the the the boxes are there, but if my
[1:35:46] logic is flawed, let me know if the
[1:35:49] pressure if our water source is on the
[1:35:51] south side and we have a pump that's
[1:35:54] insufficient to reach the north side
[1:35:55] where we have these boxes and the gopher
[1:35:58] absolute destruction up there with the
[1:36:00] hills that are now Swiss cheese. Um,
[1:36:03] wouldn't the park look a lot better if
[1:36:05] we weren't looking at it the field from
[1:36:07] the back but the other direction? Like
[1:36:09] because I I want like having the space
[1:36:12] to play is great. I want to have the
[1:36:13] space. I'm not trying to say no T- Bowl.
[1:36:16] It's just where it is is just giving me
[1:36:18] a lot of consternation. Um and and
[1:36:20] putting it on the opposite side
[1:36:22] diagonally seems like it would give us
[1:36:24] the space and allow us to take care of
[1:36:27] the area that is the most problematic
[1:36:30] inside the park.
[1:36:34] » I don't know that it affects that lodge.
[1:36:37] >> Reduce the noise pollution.
[1:36:41] Maybe maybe spread the parking out a
[1:36:43] little bit. I know people will try to
[1:36:45] park in that wigwam parking lot to
[1:36:48] access it, but
[1:36:50] >> it'll take maybe some of the playing
[1:36:52] space away from the homes in the Loma
[1:36:56] Avenue. You know, your foul balls aren't
[1:36:58] landing in front yards or down the road
[1:37:00] anymore. No kids running into a street
[1:37:02] to go and grab a foul ball. out.
[1:37:05] >> And I would imagine that from a a
[1:37:08] proposal standpoint that that wasn't a
[1:37:11] proposed option given you would almost
[1:37:13] have to redesign the irrigation system
[1:37:15] to completely move the field when you
[1:37:17] already have material somewhat there. Um
[1:37:20] but if cost wasn't an issue and we were
[1:37:23] just dreaming and saying what do we want
[1:37:24] it to look like? Um that makes a lot of
[1:37:27] sense to me in that quarter.
[1:37:32] I know there was a hand up here, too.
[1:37:34] Did you get to
[1:37:35] >> Well, I mean, I'm just talking about the
[1:37:37] aesthetic part of it. I'm not so focused
[1:37:41] on the location, but it's a park and in
[1:37:44] parks are ball fields and I don't find
[1:37:47] the back stop at Turtle Park Offensive.
[1:37:49] I don't find the backs stop and the
[1:37:51] little bleachery things at Stag Park
[1:37:53] Offensive. I mean, it's part of our
[1:37:55] parks. We have so many kids. Our
[1:37:57] programs are growing all the time.
[1:38:00] And the people in the square really I
[1:38:02] don't think are going to be offended if
[1:38:04] they look to that north direction and
[1:38:07] see, oh gosh, there's a ball field
[1:38:08] there. That's great. They've got kids
[1:38:10] outside playing. So, I mean, the the
[1:38:13] location of it, that might be something
[1:38:15] that has to be moved, but I just it
[1:38:19] doesn't bother me at all from the
[1:38:20] aesthetic. I don't I don't mean to imply
[1:38:22] that it's going to offend people, but
[1:38:24] that when we put something in the park,
[1:38:26] I'd rather be looking at the front into
[1:38:29] it and not closing off the view, right?
[1:38:31] So, I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just
[1:38:34] saying I think there's a more
[1:38:35] aesthetically pleasing location that
[1:38:37] might also take care of well, if we're
[1:38:40] having problem getting water up there,
[1:38:41] let's put something where we're not
[1:38:43] going to want water, which is a clay
[1:38:45] infield up there. But just remember,
[1:38:47] you've got houses up there that did not
[1:38:49] want anything happening in that park. A
[1:38:51] lot of it.
[1:38:51] >> I understand. But that's I mean, okay,
[1:38:53] we were not going to do anything then
[1:38:55] because someone doesn't want it
[1:38:56] happening in the park, but we can't let
[1:38:58] one one house control that we put in the
[1:39:02] park.
[1:39:03] >> So, I will say that up here where this
[1:39:05] the arrow is, that's all hills,
[1:39:08] >> right? They're Swiss cheese hills.
[1:39:10] >> Just Yeah,
[1:39:10] >> it' be easy to top down. Christos could
[1:39:12] do it. Are
[1:39:13] >> my original Yeah. My original thought
[1:39:15] when we looked at we did look at here as
[1:39:18] I mentioned where the the back stop
[1:39:20] would be here and then the field would
[1:39:22] be going going in that direction
[1:39:24] >> to try to kind of keep this big grass
[1:39:27] area. But like I said the issue is like
[1:39:29] right here is where all the controllers
[1:39:31] and the boxes are where if we put a
[1:39:34] field there they looked at more cost
[1:39:37] efficiency and stuff of having to move
[1:39:39] all that. Um, it would be a lot more
[1:39:43] costefficient to keep it where it is
[1:39:45] because there's a lot less equipment for
[1:39:46] the irrigation to have to
[1:39:48] >> shift
[1:39:53] control in the middle of my football
[1:39:54] field years ago. Pat
[1:39:57] >> they didn't care back then.
[1:40:04] » So if we don't if we don't want one
[1:40:06] backyard looking at a back stop, why do
[1:40:07] we want two houses looking directly at
[1:40:09] one street? I mean, I don't I don't
[1:40:11] logic.
[1:40:12] >> Yeah, it's one
[1:40:15] >> less from like an
[1:40:16] >> I mean, I [clears throat] think it's
[1:40:17] that aesthetic, but I was thinking about
[1:40:19] it more from like closing off the park
[1:40:23] because you got the playground on the
[1:40:24] corner and you have the T-ball field
[1:40:26] there.
[1:40:28] Like, kids aren't going to go around the
[1:40:31] T-ball field to go play in the open
[1:40:33] space. like it's going to have a dirt
[1:40:35] field right there, right next to the the
[1:40:38] playground instead of had an open field
[1:40:40] there. Be more encouraging for kids to
[1:40:42] go play in the open field and then have
[1:40:47] play, you know, the the baseball field
[1:40:50] somewhere else. And I mean, I think I
[1:40:53] remember that field being right on the corner of Loma and Fairway, right
[1:40:58] where all the golf carts were going
[1:41:00] past. And it looks like it was just
[1:41:02] pushed up when that park was built just
[1:41:05] because that's where it was. And I I
[1:41:09] mean I understand putting it where it is
[1:41:10] because of the controllers, but it
[1:41:13] sounds like we have a bigger problem.
[1:41:15] And I don't know why we would put the
[1:41:17] controllers in the middle of the park.
[1:41:19] Like that seems like a problem that's
[1:41:21] going to have to be fixed at some point.
[1:41:24] >> So it's the same in Camelback, right?
[1:41:26] There's the there's a control
[1:41:28] like right in the middle.
[1:41:30] >> Yeah. Yeah, which is fun when you're
[1:41:31] running a step off control box.
[1:41:33] >> And I have no idea if that was designed
[1:41:35] that way or if that was a modification
[1:41:37] through the last 25 years. Um, but those
[1:41:39] are irrigation systems that we're hoping
[1:41:42] to audit and identify which is our one
[1:41:45] worth investing in the most. Um, because
[1:41:47] they're all have some history to them
[1:41:49] just like that. Um, so anytime I can
[1:41:52] pair in on a project where we're willing
[1:41:54] to throw some money in and get it
[1:41:56] addressed, you know, systematically
[1:41:58] throughout the whole park, this is the
[1:42:00] type of opportunity where that would
[1:42:01] make sense to pair that money together.
[1:42:03] >> There used to be volleyball and
[1:42:04] basketball over there.
[1:42:06] >> Yeah.
[1:42:07] >> So the
[1:42:08] >> there's a great basketball court over
[1:42:09] there. The best one.
[1:42:12] >> Yep.
[1:42:13] >> That's really good.
[1:42:15] >> You had your hand.
[1:42:16] >> I did. And I just a couple is part of
[1:42:18] the reason that because you mentioned
[1:42:20] being able to expand these programs. So
[1:42:22] I'm assuming if we're expanding it to
[1:42:24] say softball older kids, they're going
[1:42:26] to hit a lot harder and a lot farther
[1:42:28] than T-ball is hitting. So is is part of
[1:42:30] the reason for this selection that
[1:42:33] because it I mean if we move it to that
[1:42:35] top there, we've got a backyard right
[1:42:38] there that could hit a window of for a
[1:42:40] foul ball or whatever it may be. And
[1:42:42] then on this side over here, that's
[1:42:44] where the issue is up against like the
[1:42:46] Reds parking lot. I know that's where
[1:42:48] the irrigation issues are, but you've
[1:42:50] also got that house right there and cars
[1:42:51] right there. So foul balls again are
[1:42:53] going to go on there. So I'm just I was
[1:42:55] just curious if that was part of why
[1:42:58] that area was sort of looked at to be
[1:42:59] able to expand the programs that we can
[1:43:02] offer.
[1:43:03] >> So the this park would just be used for
[1:43:05] our T-ball. Our older age groups would
[1:43:07] still be at Jack the other ones. Okay.
[1:43:09] Um, we would use that for our 78 coach
[1:43:11] pitch, but this would just be our
[1:43:14] >> T-ball field. So, it wouldn't be any big
[1:43:16] hitters, anything like that. Um,
[1:43:20] it was just basically like I like I
[1:43:23] mentioned when looking at where the
[1:43:24] controllers were and the works.
[1:43:26] >> So, essentially it'll look like
[1:43:28] Park. It'll be the playground little
[1:43:30] area. Here's your thing. It's just
[1:43:32] backwards
[1:43:33] >> kind of backwards
[1:43:34] >> essentially, right? Like instead of
[1:43:35] driving, you know, you know, it's open
[1:43:38] and then you see it. So I just so I can
[1:43:40] visualize it a little bit better.
[1:43:41] >> Yeah, everybody likes
[1:43:42] >> essentially flipping.
[1:43:43] >> Yeah,
[1:43:44] >> stag is what we're doing. Okay,
[1:43:46] >> I am all for that because I live by
[1:43:49] stag. And I see I see the benefits of
[1:43:51] the parents who have multiple children
[1:43:53] and their little ones can be on the
[1:43:55] field. You've got your other ones right
[1:43:57] here at the playground and there's not
[1:43:58] this trying to be in two places at once.
[1:44:02] Um I think that there is a definitely a
[1:44:04] way to make this look um appealing to
[1:44:07] everyone. I think one of my favorite
[1:44:09] things about going to bigger cities,
[1:44:10] like you walk through New York and you
[1:44:11] see these little pop-ups all over the
[1:44:13] place and it's probably one of the
[1:44:14] neatest things that you see because
[1:44:15] people can play. I think that showing
[1:44:18] people from outside the community that
[1:44:20] we care enough to have a little te-ball
[1:44:24] field for our little ones and another
[1:44:26] field for our older ones, I think will
[1:44:27] help more than hurt because they'll want
[1:44:30] to come in here. Um, I know that it's in
[1:44:34] an area that's becoming more and more
[1:44:37] uh driven through and and walked through
[1:44:39] and all of that kind of stuff, but I I
[1:44:41] think that there's a way to do it and
[1:44:44] have it work for the T-ball kiddos and and anybody that wants to play there
[1:44:49] because I know at SAG if if there's not
[1:44:51] already somebody using it, there's this
[1:44:54] one dad and son who go out pitching
[1:44:55] practice every single day, either
[1:44:57] morning or night, every single day, we
[1:44:59] see them out there doing it. So, I think
[1:45:00] that we would see more of our community
[1:45:03] using it in in that way, especially on
[1:45:06] that side because the north side doesn't
[1:45:08] have one like we do on on this side. So,
[1:45:11] I think I do think that there's there's
[1:45:13] a balance there that that could could be
[1:45:15] found for that one.
[1:45:19] >> I'm good. That was longwinded and I
[1:45:23] agree. I think what's I think what's not
[1:45:27] sitting right with me about it is that is you put the T-Bo court in that
[1:45:31] spot with the Derfield you can no longer
[1:45:34] use the rest of the field for anything.
[1:45:37] >> Why for sports
[1:45:38] >> for other sports and programming where
[1:45:40] if you put it somewhere else you could
[1:45:42] still have I mean in that map you see
[1:45:43] the soccer field there
[1:45:46] >> but it's not going to fit anywhere else.
[1:45:48] >> You're chopping off less red tape.
[1:45:51] we would still be able to put our U6
[1:45:54] soccer fields and run two two soccer
[1:45:56] fields on there at the younger age. Um
[1:45:59] it's kind of like with with stags, it
[1:46:00] does have
[1:46:01] >> just going the other direction across
[1:46:04] the controllers.
[1:46:06] >> Yeah. Um even even when you move it up
[1:46:08] there, I mean you could put the the
[1:46:10] field
[1:46:12] the U6 is really 90 by 90 feet. So the
[1:46:16] farther closer the houses and as well I
[1:46:18] put it on there where we've had that
[1:46:20] flag football field and then we had two
[1:46:23] uh U6 fields right next right next to it
[1:46:25] too. So the turning of where the T- ball
[1:46:28] is, if we kept it where it's at, we
[1:46:30] would still be able to do two uh soccer
[1:46:33] two soccer fields for our U6
[1:46:38] is pretty small. Those fields
[1:46:44] that
[1:46:46] it's just because we don't have the
[1:46:47] soccer goals there as it is kind of like
[1:46:50] a turtle where just flag would go to
[1:46:52] turtle and then
[1:46:53] >> soccer would come here in the spring.
[1:46:55] Um, but it it won't be it'll be somewhat
[1:46:58] like stags where you have the baseball
[1:47:00] field and then the soccer. Can we get
[1:47:02] lights with the T-ball field? Kiss it.
[1:47:05] >> Can we light it?
[1:47:12] » Do we
[1:47:12] >> are we trying to to do this for a
[1:47:15] specific season?
[1:47:16] >> Like do we need to move this now to get
[1:47:19] it ready for winter?
[1:47:22] >> No. by at this at this time. It's this
[1:47:24] is just this kind of the start of doing
[1:47:26] it. Um it wouldn't be for this season.
[1:47:29] Um
[1:47:32] >> year basically.
[1:47:33] >> Yeah.
[1:47:34] When we switched gears away from
[1:47:36] Turtle Park um that um was taken off of
[1:47:41] the capital improvement plan because
[1:47:43] we're in the re-evaluating stages. So
[1:47:47] this is to find out if this is something
[1:47:49] you're interested in and want us to
[1:47:51] pursue.
[1:47:52] adding back into that capital
[1:47:54] improvement plan.
[1:47:56] But at the new location of Scout Park
[1:47:59] versus Turtle Park,
[1:48:01] >> you know, I would I would say that
[1:48:05] I don't know. I'm going to try to speak
[1:48:07] for I'm try to summarize what we're
[1:48:09] saying here.
[1:48:10] >> If it's not right, like we we like it,
[1:48:13] but we don't like it forever. Maybe it
[1:48:15] is something that we just
[1:48:18] do
[1:48:21] with the expectation that when
[1:48:24] something's built in the corner
[1:48:28] or at some point hopefully in the near
[1:48:30] future that we do something with the
[1:48:33] whole park to make it more usable and
[1:48:36] approachable and friendly and not I mean
[1:48:39] kind of a lot of empty space that isn't
[1:48:41] really used with like a weird small
[1:48:44] children playground around that's half a
[1:48:46] mile away from any parking and no
[1:48:49] bathrooms.
[1:48:55] Since I guess we don't require um a
[1:48:58] decision at this point and we're talking
[1:49:00] about next year's capital improvement
[1:49:02] project, is there maybe an opportunity
[1:49:03] for us to weigh in on all the potential
[1:49:07] capital improvement options that we
[1:49:09] would consider, whether that be the
[1:49:11] Hills Park, um this lighting maybe even
[1:49:16] or whatever else we might consider in
[1:49:18] terms of capital improve improvement and try to prioritize these things
[1:49:22] instead of like doing it up and down on
[1:49:24] one item at a time.
[1:49:27] >> I from what I'm hearing and you guys
[1:49:29] were hearing it, it sounds like you guys
[1:49:31] have decided now that this priority
[1:49:34] which was a priority is now back in the
[1:49:36] shuffle. And for us, I think maybe you
[1:49:39] guys correct me if I'm wrong, it would
[1:49:41] help us if you guys maybe rep
[1:49:43] prioritized and told us since this one
[1:49:44] is now maybe not top priority given the options that we have, what would be
[1:49:50] the top priority instead of
[1:49:51] >> Yeah, I don't think we had input into it
[1:49:53] being in the capital improvement budget
[1:49:55] in the first place.
[1:49:58] So that would tell you that it wasn't
[1:50:00] our top priority. I don't think we had
[1:50:02] an opportunity to make a priority list
[1:50:05] last time around.
[1:50:07] I mean, I do like that like we've had a
[1:50:10] lot of interest in the T-Bo program.
[1:50:14] Pat's telling us all the time and I do
[1:50:17] like improving our program for our
[1:50:20] sports.
[1:50:23] Like I don't think any of us disagree
[1:50:24] with that like making the is the sports
[1:50:28] program better. It's it's more just the
[1:50:30] way
[1:50:32] >> I so feel like it's part of a master
[1:50:33] plan part like it's not like It feels
[1:50:36] like we're throwing it there because we
[1:50:38] Yeah, let's have a theme ball park, but
[1:50:39] like it's like I think this park is
[1:50:42] weird, right?
[1:50:44] >> It's reactionary without a full plan
[1:50:47] >> and like is it just going to get undone
[1:50:49] in five years when we decide to do
[1:50:51] something else with that, you know? I
[1:50:52] mean, just
[1:50:52] >> it probably will honest like cuz
[1:50:57] >> why from turtle?
[1:50:58] >> What's that? What would be like
[1:51:00] >> why didn't why because this was
[1:51:01] originally going to go at Turtle and I
[1:51:03] can't remember why that got squashed.
[1:51:06] >> Yeah.
[1:51:06] >> Um I think it was a couple of reasons.
[1:51:09] That back stop at Turtle
[1:51:11] >> is in disrepair and the one at Scout is
[1:51:14] in great condition and T-ball size.
[1:51:17] Correct me if I'm wrong.
[1:51:18] >> Yeah. And then also um when we talked
[1:51:21] there was some considerations about the
[1:51:24] aesthetic of coming into the community
[1:51:28] at that location. That's a big inn and
[1:51:30] out area to enter Lichville Park and
[1:51:34] there were some concerns about how that
[1:51:36] dirt lot would look there at Turtle
[1:51:39] Park.
[1:51:40] >> So now it's going to another So the
[1:51:42] concern sounds like because it's going
[1:51:45] to another main area. I'm just afraid
[1:51:48] that we're going to hear the same thing
[1:51:49] because I I remember that being talked
[1:51:51] about the street.
[1:51:53] >> I don't disagree. I was just curious
[1:51:55] about that because I thought that that
[1:51:56] was part of the problem before, but I I couldn't completely remember. Yeah,
[1:52:00] >> I didn't like the one Turtle Park
[1:52:02] because it was so close to that.
[1:52:04] >> Too close to the road. I agree.
[1:52:05] >> That main road
[1:52:08] with with Pat's, you know, how much he
[1:52:09] works with all of our sports and field
[1:52:11] scheduling, all this kind of stuff. I'm
[1:52:13] curious to hear like what's your opinion
[1:52:14] on this Pat?
[1:52:16] you work with us more than any of us
[1:52:17] probably, right?
[1:52:19] >> Yeah. So, I think and also another thing
[1:52:22] why we we chose Scout was for because we
[1:52:24] have used it in the past for T-Bo when
[1:52:27] we had to close and we thought um to
[1:52:30] kind of change it from Turtle Park being
[1:52:32] right there by the main road and main
[1:52:33] entrance. This was still somewhat tucked
[1:52:35] in and away from where people kind of
[1:52:38] enter. Um, granted, yes, there is the
[1:52:40] across the street going to be the
[1:52:42] parking lot and so people would see it,
[1:52:44] but it's still not one of the parks by
[1:52:46] the main entrances. Um, I think
[1:52:50] obviously this is a good area for that
[1:52:52] because
[1:52:54] we do have, you know, the shape of the
[1:52:58] park right now where the grass area is,
[1:53:00] it is tough and it to put bigger size
[1:53:04] fields like the flag football where we
[1:53:07] do have we did extend the flag football
[1:53:09] to do a
[1:53:11] uh older age group to go 10 to 12. So we
[1:53:14] have a nine age group. they're following
[1:53:17] right after them. So you're going to
[1:53:18] have one game you could be at a full 300
[1:53:20] and then the next game I mean if you
[1:53:23] look at it doesn't look that much
[1:53:24] different but it's still like probably
[1:53:26] about 30 feet shorter than the other
[1:53:28] because we were not able to fit two
[1:53:30] fields at scout which you know it does
[1:53:33] come into play in the fall because we
[1:53:35] moved both flags footballs there because
[1:53:38] for the because of overseating and then
[1:53:42] it's there in the spring because the
[1:53:43] soccer is being used for count back in
[1:53:45] Aleppo. So by moving the here instead of
[1:53:48] at Turtle, we are possibly able to put
[1:53:50] two football fields at that location
[1:53:54] that are the same size so that if you
[1:53:56] are the 8 to9 age group, you are playing
[1:53:58] on the same size field rather than one
[1:54:01] week a bigger field, one week the other
[1:54:03] field.
[1:54:03] >> So a putting a T-ball field at Scout
[1:54:06] Park is helpful for your facilities
[1:54:07] usage.
[1:54:08] B, do you agree with putting it in that
[1:54:10] corner from a standpoint of families and
[1:54:14] access and parking and all of the above?
[1:54:17] >> You have the parking it is if you by
[1:54:19] putting it where it's at, you have the
[1:54:20] parking that's across the street by the
[1:54:22] current lodge where it's a shorter walk
[1:54:25] if you and it's a lot and I've found
[1:54:27] this out with Aleppo. We you still try
[1:54:29] to open up the parking lot by the
[1:54:32] baseball fields in Millennium to try to
[1:54:33] help with that. People still park there
[1:54:35] because it's a long walk. I know it's
[1:54:38] thinking about it, it's not that far. If
[1:54:40] you and in hindsight of it, but if it's
[1:54:42] a shorter walk, it's going to be a lot
[1:54:43] easier for parents to use. You still
[1:54:47] have the kids with the younger age
[1:54:49] groups where if child if they're not
[1:54:52] playing T-ball, they're at the
[1:54:54] playground while their kid parents are
[1:54:56] watching it. So, right there, it's the
[1:54:58] closer uh proximity as well to the
[1:55:02] playground would be. It's kind of like
[1:55:03] with stags, we do have parents that they
[1:55:05] are watching their kids, but there are
[1:55:07] other kids that are playing on the
[1:55:09] playground right behind there. So that
[1:55:12] location does kind of remedy all sides
[1:55:15] of it aspects of that too. So I think
[1:55:17] the sum of it for now is we're not it's
[1:55:20] disallocated from capital improvement.
[1:55:22] In the interim, we can do t- ball on the
[1:55:25] grass because there's no other choice.
[1:55:26] There's no money to be spent on it now
[1:55:28] and we need to go into a new capital
[1:55:30] improvement
[1:55:32] pole and have overall priorities for
[1:55:34] that we think were right for the
[1:55:36] community. Is that
[1:55:38] >> Yeah. Even if we go to the planning for
[1:55:42] budget season and we make this ask if if
[1:55:45] you guys were all good with it, even if
[1:55:48] we make the ask, that doesn't guarantee
[1:55:50] that that's going to be put on fiscal
[1:55:53] year 28 budget or and it doesn't
[1:55:55] guarantee even if it's put within the
[1:55:57] five years of budget that council is
[1:56:00] ultimately going to say this is a
[1:56:02] strategic priority as well. So, I mean,
[1:56:05] this is now the the time to discuss what
[1:56:09] you guys are interested in. We I mean,
[1:56:11] we're coming with you with with ideas.
[1:56:14] It doesn't mean that you have to accept
[1:56:16] them. They're just thoughts that come to
[1:56:18] us through our programming needs. And
[1:56:21] again, this may be a great opportunity
[1:56:23] while public grounds is is re-evaluating
[1:56:26] some of their uh grounds and how they're
[1:56:29] handling irrigation to say what do we
[1:56:32] ultimately want to do with this
[1:56:34] particular park or with each of our
[1:56:35] parks? What do we see the needs of the
[1:56:38] community at each of these parks being?
[1:56:41] So maybe these are the discussions that
[1:56:43] you as a commission want to start having
[1:56:46] so that we can keep taking those back to
[1:56:49] city administration and city council.
[1:56:52] >> I think to your point earlier Schwarz is
[1:56:55] that like we ought we didn't we're doing
[1:56:57] things peace meal point.
[1:56:59] >> So whatever we decide that we are
[1:57:02] spending the taxpayers money on we ought
[1:57:05] to say that's the thing that's the part
[1:57:08] that fits into the greater hole.
[1:57:11] that we've designed for the next 10
[1:57:12] years lest we go and move it somewhere
[1:57:16] for now and move it somewhere else
[1:57:18] later. None of that's free.
[1:57:23] I agree. I mean I think at a bare
[1:57:25] minimum we do this but we should try to
[1:57:29] do more you know as a part of the whole
[1:57:33] especially knowing about the irrigation
[1:57:34] issues.
[1:57:36] >> Are there is this the only park that has
[1:57:39] like irrigation revamp as part of a plan
[1:57:42] that we ought to consider or is that a
[1:57:44] concern elsewhere?
[1:57:45] >> There's not exactly a plan is the
[1:57:47] problem. It's currently an audit and
[1:57:49] then I'm going to present the exactly
[1:57:52] like you said the priority list and
[1:57:54] someone's going to tell me yes to those
[1:57:56] three which fits in the budget. Um
[1:57:58] because currently all of our systems
[1:58:00] besides LS are probably at least close
[1:58:02] to 20 years old.
[1:58:03] >> So I guess my question is where are you
[1:58:05] going to tear stuff up anyway? you know,
[1:58:07] and
[1:58:08] >> and the question I was going to ask is,
[1:58:09] you know, you you've talked about
[1:58:11] programming this weird space. Why are we
[1:58:13] trying to fit more into it? What if we
[1:58:15] just use the space around it and it's
[1:58:17] just a square? It's easier for me to to
[1:58:20] maintain. It's easier to engineer a
[1:58:22] system around a rectangle and it's
[1:58:24] easier for you to program fields within
[1:58:27] a rectangle as well. So, for me, I don't
[1:58:30] consider irrigation. I don't consider
[1:58:32] the the back stop. I look at the shape
[1:58:34] of the park and what is the overall
[1:58:36] picture of it and we can't decide
[1:58:37] because it's in a weird shape
[1:58:39] [clears throat] right now and we need to
[1:58:41] lay the the base layer the
[1:58:42] infrastructure for people and
[1:58:44] commissioners years to come to make
[1:58:46] those decisions. Right now I feel like
[1:58:48] the infrastructure is not worth
[1:58:49] investing in until we correct that.
[1:58:52] So what what would be the first step in
[1:58:55] initiating the T-Buff or the I guess it
[1:58:58] would be for next spring, but would it
[1:59:00] just be a matter of
[1:59:03] directing the directing you guys to
[1:59:08] investigate or to take to counsel? Is
[1:59:11] that what it would be?
[1:59:14] I think what I'm hearing from you guys
[1:59:17] as a commission as a whole is you want
[1:59:21] you're thinking more how are we using
[1:59:24] each of our parks or how do we envision
[1:59:27] the community using
[1:59:29] Camelback and Scout and Stags.
[1:59:34] It feels like a a a bigger discussion.
[1:59:37] You're right. It's if it's coming at you
[1:59:40] peace meal and we're starting to think
[1:59:43] now how can we get the big picture of
[1:59:46] all of our parks and and what do we want
[1:59:49] for them in general and then obviously
[1:59:51] public grounds and whatever they take
[1:59:53] care of plays into that. Programming
[1:59:56] plays into that. Free play and community
[1:59:58] use play into that. and and
[2:00:02] that's where you guys can help us
[2:00:04] identify
[2:00:05] what is the city envision for each
[2:00:09] park's use.
[2:00:11] >> And from my internal understandings from
[2:00:13] the new Hilltop Park that's being
[2:00:15] designed or has 100% design phase, no
[2:00:19] one wants no, let me back up.
[2:00:22] >> The intent for that park is to not be as
[2:00:25] recreationally programmable as these
[2:00:28] parks are. So for me, this is an
[2:00:30] opportunity aesthetically aside where
[2:00:32] you should reinvest into the
[2:00:34] recreational aspects of your parks
[2:00:37] because your future parks that we're
[2:00:38] building, we're not necessarily building
[2:00:40] these amenities in them. We're not going
[2:00:41] to have a chance to revamp them then.
[2:00:43] >> Yeah,
[2:00:44] >> we've got between so the budget cycle
[2:00:46] for planning starts December, January,
[2:00:48] we essentially have four more meetings
[2:00:50] that we got to figure out how we do
[2:00:52] something in that time span, right?
[2:00:54] Because then we just come next month and
[2:00:56] go like, "Yeah, we should talk about
[2:00:57] that some more." Another month goes by.
[2:00:59] So, how do we structure that whether
[2:01:02] it's a working session or something else
[2:01:04] so that we can plan a park or at least
[2:01:09] have an idea of what we would like to
[2:01:12] present as viable like wise use of
[2:01:16] funds. Um, this fits into the larger
[2:01:19] plan proposals for capital improvement.
[2:01:22] I don't That's maybe we should speak to
[2:01:26] next month with
[2:01:29] or do a working session between then
[2:01:31] like I don't know I think we should
[2:01:33] approach that.
[2:01:35] >> I think as a commission like we don't
[2:01:37] totally understand
[2:01:39] >> the issues with thesebody
[2:01:42] pay grade
[2:01:45] >> not to be funny but
[2:01:46] >> sure. Yeah. But like so what do we do to
[2:01:48] say not our problem?
[2:01:51] >> I think we have options. I I think an
[2:01:53] option is to say, okay,
[2:01:56] >> we can suggest to council or ask council
[2:02:00] to inquire or something to this effect
[2:02:03] what what goes into
[2:02:06] the transition to the T-ball field and
[2:02:09] scout in the corner where it's
[2:02:11] designated now. And then while that
[2:02:15] investigation is being done, then we're
[2:02:17] I guess still waiting for that
[2:02:20] information. But when we get that
[2:02:21] information,
[2:02:24] we would then be suggesting to move
[2:02:26] forward with
[2:02:29] build the T-ball field there.
[2:02:32] I think though I thought we said that
[2:02:34] we'd like to kind of envision the plan
[2:02:36] for the whole park the long term. I I
[2:02:39] don't know that it's worth doing
[2:02:40] something short term. Is it more
[2:02:43] important to understand what the
[2:02:45] longterm plan is for the park? Well, and
[2:02:49] especially if Kevin starts moving
[2:02:50] irrigation equipment in there. If that
[2:02:53] happens,
[2:02:54] >> he says, "I got to tear this whole park
[2:02:55] up." You guys got to blink slakes. It's
[2:02:58] all got to go.
[2:02:58] >> Well, and that's how this park started
[2:03:00] like 15 years ago. If you remember,
[2:03:03] >> it was sort of just we're just going to
[2:03:05] do this and see what happens because we
[2:03:08] have to do something. We can't have
[2:03:09] dirt. There was other
[2:03:12] >> Yeah, there were other things, but you
[2:03:14] know, it was sort of a a we got to do
[2:03:16] something now. And that's what they did.
[2:03:19] So, could you still play there, Pat? If
[2:03:24] like now, could you play T-ball there on
[2:03:26] the grass? You can, right?
[2:03:29] >> I do. Yeah, that's this is where
[2:03:32] with overseeing we do use it. It just
[2:03:34] comes down to uh placement. I mean,
[2:03:37] right now we have it worked out where I
[2:03:39] could just use uh
[2:03:41] turtle and stuff, but flag does move
[2:03:43] there for for that, but I would be able
[2:03:46] to do a probably a season and stuff
[2:03:48] there. Um it's just eventually would
[2:03:52] need to go to a field some at some point
[2:03:54] and stuff. Right.
[2:03:56] >> Yeah, because I I can see that there's a
[2:03:59] need because of numbers and shifting and
[2:04:02] grass and everything for this. So, I
[2:04:05] mean, we don't want to step on your toes
[2:04:08] completely because of that.
[2:04:10] >> No, I mean this by by doing this, it
[2:04:13] would really just kind of open up the
[2:04:15] winter coach Fitch season where um as I
[2:04:18] mentioned, obviously it's a when we go
[2:04:21] to Turtle Park or anything like that
[2:04:23] from Stags Park, it's only like a couple
[2:04:26] weeks. So, it's not really a big issue
[2:04:28] of going from a field to the grass, but
[2:04:31] having all seven games or something from
[2:04:33] grass and make it work. And if that's
[2:04:36] something that we have to do for until
[2:04:37] then, we could. It's just it' be nice to
[2:04:40] have kind of a T-ball field, especially
[2:04:42] for the younger age groups
[2:04:44] >> or that five and six that you know, hey,
[2:04:46] this is what it is. Yeah.
[2:04:48] >> Developmental and it is a different feel
[2:04:52] from baseball field to just a grass. So,
[2:04:57] Do we have the possibility to do a work
[2:04:59] study where we can get some outreach or
[2:05:02] some citizen input that would give us
[2:05:04] some of that direction into this
[2:05:06] specific park and what their the
[2:05:09] community is looking for or what their
[2:05:10] wish or direction would be because maybe
[2:05:13] that's momentum to pair into this
[2:05:15] project and we turn it into an overall
[2:05:19] CIP of the this park itself paired
[2:05:22] [snorts] with the field paired with the
[2:05:25] irrigation system paired with a new
[2:05:27] design that's more functional. Um, but
[2:05:29] I'd be curious just to see what the
[2:05:31] residents and the people who are using
[2:05:32] it, what they would be interested in.
[2:05:37] Maybe we could start with doing
[2:05:39] something online
[2:05:41] and just getting input on it. You know,
[2:05:44] we're starting to look at Scout Park
[2:05:47] and, you know, the SC new Scout Lodge is
[2:05:49] going in and what what do you think? you
[2:05:53] know, and maybe we could get it from our
[2:05:55] social media and stuff like that first.
[2:06:01] » Feel like to go to the public, they
[2:06:02] should at least have some options or
[2:06:04] >> I don't want to just open
[2:06:07] the floodgate.
[2:06:09] >> That'll be the first.
[2:06:11] >> Yeah.
[2:06:13] >> I don't know.
[2:06:14] >> Um, so yeah. Is that something that we
[2:06:17] could do with Yosha? Is that something
[2:06:19] that we would do in a work study?
[2:06:20] >> Survey time, baby. I'm new here, so just
[2:06:23] excuse.
[2:06:23] >> We've done surveys before. In fact, we
[2:06:25] had a survey for this very park. I think
[2:06:28] >> Yeah, we sure did.
[2:06:29] >> 15
[2:06:31] going into southeast corner
[2:06:32] >> basketball number five and we didn't do
[2:06:34] it and we were supposed to do the top. I
[2:06:36] think we'll have staff get together um
[2:06:40] the departments that doing something
[2:06:42] like this would affect with with um
[2:06:45] wreck and grounds and planning and our
[2:06:50] um city engineer. Um and talk about what
[2:06:54] things at that park
[2:06:57] would our specific departments benefit
[2:06:59] from having or um
[2:07:03] what is hindering us. each department
[2:07:05] wise from making best use of this
[2:07:08] particular park. And once we have that,
[2:07:11] we could talk to city admin and and see
[2:07:13] if
[2:07:16] um he would want to have your commission
[2:07:19] do a work study or if they want to
[2:07:21] further have um internal staff
[2:07:24] discussions before we get to that stage
[2:07:27] yet. because it sounds like there's a
[2:07:30] lot more pieces than just this
[2:07:32] playground that we really need to think
[2:07:34] about.
[2:07:35] >> And am I right in that we'd probably
[2:07:38] like to hear what the what if there is
[2:07:41] like a 10-year plan or, you know,
[2:07:44] fiveyear plan on the parks in general. I
[2:07:46] mean, I think Pat's done a really good
[2:07:48] job of saying, you know, to have this
[2:07:50] T-ball increases our programming
[2:07:53] capacity and here's why. But I think
[2:07:56] what we're looking for is maybe how that
[2:07:58] fits into the
[2:08:00] >> big picture. the big picture
[2:08:02] >> when you want to look out. I mean the
[2:08:04] trends are they're borrowed from pro
[2:08:06] sports and again girls
[2:08:11] black football especially girls black
[2:08:12] flag football is growing right that's
[2:08:15] like so we're going to talk about
[2:08:16] programs in the future we should look at
[2:08:18] that as something that's accommodating
[2:08:21] >> I don't know with tennis I don't know
[2:08:22] that we put more tennis courts in that
[2:08:24] might be very difficult
[2:08:28] but there's I mean there's a whole half
[2:08:29] of the park that's not being used and I
[2:08:31] understand like I mean it used to be a
[2:08:34] big square
[2:08:36] with just basketball and volleyball out
[2:08:40] there
[2:08:41] >> and then a weird tiny playground.
[2:08:44] >> Yeah.
[2:08:45] >> And now I mean it's cut I know they cut
[2:08:47] off the corner for building a community
[2:08:50] center or Scout Lodge or some
[2:08:52] combination of that. But that's been put
[2:08:53] on hold.
[2:08:54] >> No, it's being built.
[2:08:56] >> It is.
[2:08:56] >> Uhhuh. Scout Lodge.
[2:08:57] >> Scout Lodge. Yep.
[2:08:58] >> Oh, good.
[2:08:59] >> Southeast corner of Scout Lodge.
[2:09:00] >> Yeah. Right. Well, then it's time to
[2:09:02] start thinking about the park. Yeah.
[2:09:04] What's the rest of
[2:09:05] >> the so much less on hold because we
[2:09:08] don't know what's going to happen.
[2:09:09] >> Yeah.
[2:09:10] >> But if that's going forward
[2:09:11] >> in maybe that would be a good
[2:09:15] >> Do we have um uh at least the the Scout
[2:09:20] Lodge like how that's going to sit on
[2:09:22] there? I know we've seen it over the
[2:09:24] years at this point, but I don't know.
[2:09:25] >> I have a picture of it in my email.
[2:09:27] >> How long ago was it?
[2:09:29] >> Uh last week.
[2:09:30] >> Oh, okay.
[2:09:32] Right on.
[2:09:33] >> So is the action to table this until we
[2:09:36] have more information about the future
[2:09:38] of the park?
[2:09:39] >> Yeah, I think Teresa's suggestion to
[2:09:41] work get more info for us from their end
[2:09:45] from the professionals and you know just
[2:09:48] get those pieces and maybe bring them
[2:09:50] back to us and then that will help us go
[2:09:54] okay this is really what we need to do.
[2:09:56] Yeah, we'll coordinate internally on
[2:09:58] discussions about timing like what when
[2:10:03] is the timing estimated for scout lodge?
[2:10:07] What is ideal timing for redoing
[2:10:10] irrigation and infrastructure? What is
[2:10:14] best for sports? I mean, I think for for
[2:10:18] us for sports, we can kind of piggyback
[2:10:22] on all these other bigger things. So, u
[2:10:25] pushing forward like you said, as much
[2:10:28] as we would love to have it, we can also
[2:10:30] be re realistic and know that um there
[2:10:33] might be better timing for it.
[2:10:36] >> I do think it's it's probably best to do
[2:10:38] like a two prompt and have part of it
[2:10:41] just for now even though you know it's
[2:10:42] not great because we're going to have
[2:10:44] camel back park that's extended and I
[2:10:47] know that's you know priority
[2:10:52] but we could start planning this
[2:10:54] But like I don't want to delay expanding
[2:10:56] our programs for two, three years. If we
[2:10:58] can just pull out a piece of the dirt
[2:11:01] and move this thing and it's 10 grand
[2:11:03] and we get, you know, two extra years of
[2:11:06] programming and
[2:11:07] >> grand we all go out and work on it
[2:11:09] together this
[2:11:12] » maybe.
[2:11:14] >> Right. Yeah. And I have to bring a
[2:11:16] couple guys.
[2:11:16] >> Yeah.
[2:11:18] >> This got pl there's not 10 grand for it
[2:11:21] right now anyway. whatever it is.
[2:11:25] >> Yeah. But I just I just mean that I
[2:11:26] don't think we should like we should
[2:11:28] look at we should do it too prompt. Like
[2:11:29] we should look at the overall picture of
[2:11:31] it, but also like it's not a huge
[2:11:34] project to put in a dirt infield and
[2:11:38] move the back stop 10 ft.
[2:11:41] Like that's that's not a huge it's not a
[2:11:44] huge thing. It's not much different than
[2:11:46] it is now.
[2:11:49] And and you were looking to begin
[2:11:51] programming on these fields in the
[2:11:53] springtime, correct?
[2:11:55] >> No, this was just once once I we got
[2:11:58] word that you guys gave the okay and
[2:12:01] then council or where would the next
[2:12:03] process give the okay, it I don't have
[2:12:05] anything set in planned this current
[2:12:07] fiscal year to start that.
[2:12:09] >> It's not on this year's capital
[2:12:11] improvement budget. So it' be a a
[2:12:12] looking forward kind of thing.
[2:12:15] >> We got time.
[2:12:16] >> That was kind of my point home. We've
[2:12:17] got book December. We want to weigh in
[2:12:20] on capital improvement stuff. We need to
[2:12:22] start thinking about that now. Yeah.
[2:12:24] >> Whether it's this park or just generally
[2:12:26] speaking like if you had
[2:12:28] >> one dropped quarter million dollars in
[2:12:31] our pocket, where would we spend it? I'm
[2:12:32] not saying we have that kind of money,
[2:12:33] but like that's how we should think
[2:12:36] about it.
[2:12:38] >> Yeah. I think this is the next park that
[2:12:40] needs a re redesign
[2:12:42] for sure and we should look at overall
[2:12:46] design for it.
[2:12:49] >> Is there anything else? We don't need
[2:12:51] input on anything else we're doing for
[2:12:52] counterback. I mean it's grass to the
[2:12:54] wall, right? It's like as the plan.
[2:12:56] >> No, it's not grass to the wall finally
[2:12:58] because we're not going to redo the
[2:12:59] stucco every year. Um, we're going to
[2:13:01] have a walking path where some
[2:13:03] >> are because the water and the stucco
[2:13:06] just aren't a great mix.
[2:13:08] >> But it's but it's like it's okay. It's
[2:13:10] we know what we're doing.
[2:13:11] >> Yeah. We're not going to adjust the
[2:13:12] landscaping essentially. We're just
[2:13:14] widening the wall, creating a buffer
[2:13:16] walking path, and then potentially uh
[2:13:18] replanting any trees that were
[2:13:19] disturbed.
[2:13:21] >> Yeah, they actually
[2:13:23] >> that we are in the process of reordering
[2:13:25] because uh we need a new style. So yeah,
[2:13:28] I've been reaching out to all those
[2:13:29] vendors this week.
[2:13:31] >> So is there anything else we need to
[2:13:33] kind of say to move on from this?
[2:13:36] >> No, talked about it enough.
[2:13:38] >> So, but to Kristoff's point, can we
[2:13:44] >> can we put it on next month's agenda to
[2:13:46] review
[2:13:47] capital improvements that impact the
[2:13:50] parks? And that we can at least give our
[2:13:52] recommendations on what's upcoming.
[2:13:56] >> Yeah. and review to the information that
[2:13:58] Trisha will bring us.
[2:14:00] >> That's spring stuff. Oh, no. That's
[2:14:02] good. You mean like
[2:14:05] >> Sorry, I'm getting things mixed up.
[2:14:07] Which information?
[2:14:08] >> Well, she was going to talk to the staff
[2:14:10] and the
[2:14:11] >> what the priorities are. I think was
[2:14:13] kind of a driving and we'll review our
[2:14:16] >> give you an update next as to where
[2:14:18] we're at
[2:14:19] >> and the plans for Scout Lodge is going
[2:14:21] to be shared with us as well.
[2:14:22] >> Yeah, you can see my phone.
[2:14:24] >> Well, never mind.
[2:14:27] Yeah, I don't know. You guys seem to be
[2:14:29] closer in the loop than us. I've heard
[2:14:31] Scout Lodge is coming and going both
[2:14:33] ways. So, um, as of this week, I now
[2:14:36] hear it's back on. Two weeks ago, it
[2:14:38] wasn't. I Yeah, I'm
[2:14:40] >> I'm gonna wait till I see ground broken
[2:14:41] until I
[2:14:43] >> But the the construction is great timing
[2:14:45] with this park and renovations for
[2:14:49] >> Why is that parking?
[2:14:51] >> Should we move along, Anthony?
[2:14:53] >> I think we can. Are there any other
[2:14:54] points that anybody wants to make before
[2:14:56] we do any questions or
[2:14:58] >> we want to look at capital improvements
[2:14:59] at some point or like overall not I'm
[2:15:01] not talking about scouts park
[2:15:03] specifically just overall is that
[2:15:04] something we want to put on the agenda?
[2:15:05] I think that's a good idea because I
[2:15:07] think it helps give context to, you
[2:15:09] know, how we would make the decision on
[2:15:12] >> construction
[2:15:14] or
[2:15:19] » you know where we are guys.
[2:15:21] Commissioners report on current events.
[2:15:25] I know everybody wants to go first.
[2:15:29] » Are you ready?
[2:15:30] >> I'm ready. All right. Um the Fourth of
[2:15:33] July celebration was fantastic. It was
[2:15:35] packed and it was great and um I think
[2:15:39] it turned out really well. Um I I heard
[2:15:41] a lot of good buzz about that. Um you
[2:15:44] can tell how hard you guys are working
[2:15:46] everywhere because it it shows it shows
[2:15:49] in every every corner of of all the
[2:15:52] different areas of Witchfield that you
[2:15:54] guys are are working your butts off and
[2:15:56] that certainly um shows. But I'm going
[2:15:59] to bring up what I always bring up and
[2:16:01] that is crosswalk right here. crosswalk
[2:16:03] on desert speed bumps old fielda desert
[2:16:08] where they're needed. So because I'm not
[2:16:10] gonna not bring up the chance to I'm all
[2:16:14] done.
[2:16:15] >> Right on sir.
[2:16:18] I would love to see painting on the
[2:16:20] streets to slow down the traffic to make
[2:16:23] the lanes
[2:16:24] narrow
[2:16:26] so speed bumps just always
[2:16:30] >> I know I know I hear about it but me
[2:16:32] living on a corner where it's speed
[2:16:34] demons I would not be sad to see them
[2:16:37] there.
[2:16:41] » Kevin, I appreciate you being here. I
[2:16:43] think you breathed new life into our
[2:16:46] commission. We're kind of getting ahead
[2:16:48] of ourselves a little bit, but I look
[2:16:49] forward to seeing what you're doing,
[2:16:51] Trisha. I appreciate you guys stuff.
[2:16:56] >> Thank you. At home court, I know.
[2:17:01] » I'm good. Thank you guys.
[2:17:04] >> Uh, notwithstanding all the storm
[2:17:06] damage, things are looking nice. I'm
[2:17:08] looking forward to the the I appreciate
[2:17:10] the damage before the beauty on on
[2:17:13] again. How apparently your yard looks
[2:17:15] similar to mine. if you were picking up
[2:17:18] on that my horrible credit situation.
[2:17:21] But um
[2:17:23] >> yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I I just want to
[2:17:26] echo like said that I really do
[2:17:28] appreciate that something you do.
[2:17:32] Thanks,
[2:17:35] » Mr. Cobra.
[2:17:36] >> Uh yeah, I also I was at the sparkle in
[2:17:38] the square. It was a good event. So good
[2:17:41] job to staff on that. Fireworks were
[2:17:43] >> excellent this year. They work great and
[2:17:46] yeah um
[2:17:50] urge everyone to continue to use engage
[2:17:52] LP. I think it um maybe prior to the
[2:17:55] storm. I haven't looked at it this week
[2:17:56] but you can go on there and even look
[2:17:57] and see what other people have
[2:17:58] committed. So you can see what the
[2:18:00] resolution was and different things and
[2:18:02] >> so it's it's it's good just to get kind
[2:18:04] of an idea too of what other people are
[2:18:06] observing in the city but also
[2:18:08] >> we can submit things.
[2:18:10] >> Can you guys see the map from your end?
[2:18:12] >> Y so you can see all through the city.
[2:18:14] Okay.
[2:18:14] >> Yeah, you can you can filter it by ones
[2:18:16] that have already been closed. You go
[2:18:17] back and look at it. So, it's it's
[2:18:19] pretty neat. Um,
[2:18:21] >> no, it's it's an app.
[2:18:22] >> Yeah, if you go to the app store, engage
[2:18:24] LP there.
[2:18:25] >> Yeah. And I think usage from what I saw
[2:18:27] kind of went dwindled down after it
[2:18:28] first launched. It kind of went down,
[2:18:29] but it sounds like it picked back up
[2:18:30] with the storm.
[2:18:31] >> We're having to um remind people and we
[2:18:34] still are getting some calls and some
[2:18:35] walk-ins, but uh we're happy to take
[2:18:38] them just with the runner. forget, you
[2:18:39] know, and the the blast that we put out
[2:18:42] on our social media after the storm just
[2:18:44] for doing the clay fix and the waste
[2:18:46] management. Oh, that was huge because
[2:18:48] that was like our number one thing.
[2:18:49] Everyone wanted to report it to us.
[2:18:50] You're like, "Well, you can do it
[2:18:51] yourself."
[2:18:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. And here's
[2:18:55] >> nothing else to report. Right on.
[2:18:58] >> Um I would just I mean I was so
[2:19:00] impressed at how quickly you guys were
[2:19:03] on things after that horrible storm. So
[2:19:06] much much appreciated there. And I sort
[2:19:09] of feel like we've bumped everything up
[2:19:12] a level. Like I don't know. It's just I I'm very impressed.
[2:19:18] >> The guys are trying hard. They're really
[2:19:21] excited about all the changes we're
[2:19:22] making.
[2:19:22] >> But lots of places like we have Yosha
[2:19:24] now and we have um Chris, right? You
[2:19:29] know, we're going in big steps in major
[2:19:32] improvements.
[2:19:33] >> You guys will get to meet Ed hopefully
[2:19:34] next week. Our streets. Yeah.
[2:19:36] >> Yeah. I mean, just Yeah. And with the
[2:19:38] hilltop happening, it's like look out.
[2:19:40] >> Our little city's growing.
[2:19:44] >> So, just a big compliment to the city
[2:19:46] and all the planning that went into the
[2:19:48] library. I got to go over for the um
[2:19:51] opening ceremony and it was a blast.
[2:19:54] There were cookies in the shape of
[2:19:56] things that would be you fitting for a
[2:19:58] library. So, if you think of like, oh,
[2:20:00] would it be a book? Yeah, there was a
[2:20:02] book cookie. There was a bookworm
[2:20:04] cookie, I think, too.
[2:20:05] >> Yeah, it was super deep. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:20:08] There's all kinds of neat stuff there.
[2:20:10] And um the school next to it, I got to
[2:20:13] tour that, too. I got a kiddo who's
[2:20:15] going there. And it's just such a cool
[2:20:17] hilltop. And I keep saying, you know, we
[2:20:20] should definitely set up a tour up there
[2:20:22] for us to kind of check out the um but
[2:20:25] maybe we'll just wait till it's closer
[2:20:27] to being done. That
[2:20:28] >> there's a lot of dump trucks traffic the
[2:20:30] last time you guys made the request. I
[2:20:31] had a hard time getting there. Um I did
[2:20:33] have that actually as a request for last
[2:20:34] time. If you guys like I can still
[2:20:38] who would I communicate with to set that
[2:20:41] up
[2:20:41] >> through Randy?
[2:20:42] >> Okay.
[2:20:43] >> Um I will get with Randy to contact with
[2:20:46] you guys and I will be happy to take you
[2:20:48] guys on a tour because it's very much
[2:20:49] open now. The large pile of dirt is gone
[2:20:51] and even my perspective going up there
[2:20:53] has changed because you know I would go
[2:20:55] up there and turn around there's this
[2:20:56] big pile of dirt. I'm like okay we're up
[2:20:58] here.
[2:20:58] >> Yeah. Well, now you can actually see the
[2:21:00] view and it's impressive and I didn't
[2:21:02] get to experience the view the first
[2:21:04] couple of months. So, um I'd be happy to
[2:21:06] take you guys up there to see that.
[2:21:07] >> Right on. And you know, we could just
[2:21:10] figure out what our availability is. And
[2:21:12] if we can do it, we can do it. If not,
[2:21:14] if it's only like half of the
[2:21:16] commission, that'd be great, too. And
[2:21:18] it's much appreciated.
[2:21:20] >> And I'll try to give you guys like a
[2:21:21] couple of days with a couple of time
[2:21:23] options just that way if it all doesn't
[2:21:25] fit, you guys can kind of dictate when's
[2:21:26] the better window for you. That works
[2:21:28] out great and all is appreciated, man. I
[2:21:31] know this is not um it's it's got to be
[2:21:33] a pretty crazy job when all these storms
[2:21:36] come in, you know, and looks beautiful.
[2:21:39] Everything's looking great.
[2:21:40] >> Awesome. Thank you. No, it uh makes the
[2:21:43] days go by short, so long day, but it's
[2:21:46] a fast day, so get it over with.
[2:21:48] >> Finally. All right, guys.
[2:21:52] That only leaves one thing.