1 00:00:01,470 --> 00:00:10,510 I'd like to thank you for being here. 2 00:00:35,390 --> 00:00:39,050 Thank you for all you've done and had an advance for the thing you're about to do. 3 00:00:39,630 --> 00:00:44,490 God bless this council and our families. God bless us that we may govern. 4 00:00:45,090 --> 00:00:49,230 We may hound of the business that we see. God we love you and your gracious family. 5 00:00:49,490 --> 00:00:49,730 We pray. 6 00:00:51,190 --> 00:00:51,290 Amen. 7 00:00:54,830 --> 00:00:55,030 Amen. 8 00:00:55,030 --> 00:00:56,630 And you had a speech with Dr. Perkish. 9 00:00:58,550 --> 00:00:58,770 Amen. 10 00:01:01,470 --> 00:01:02,610 Any emergency items? 11 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:03,450 No, sir. 12 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:04,190 No, sir. 13 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:10,350 Any request by the Council for the future agenda item or excuse the absence of recognition? 14 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:20,310 All right, Council discussion regarding our charter propositions for the May 4 general election. 15 00:01:20,650 --> 00:01:20,770 All right. 16 00:01:21,130 --> 00:01:23,190 Thank you. 17 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:30,290 But sometime back, we had, we had convened the my annual meeting of the charter review committee 18 00:01:30,290 --> 00:01:35,330 to discuss any potential charter items that they would recommend to Council to be put 19 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:39,410 before the public for consideration. At the time, if you were calling me to discuss that, 20 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:44,030 the one item that was out-person consideration as recommended by the charter review committee 21 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:49,630 was to look at council compensation. And the charter review committee had made a recommendation 22 00:01:49,630 --> 00:02:01,630 that we change the compensation from the $25 a meeting that is currently given through the charter to a monthly stipend of $250 per council member and $500 to the mayor. 23 00:02:02,350 --> 00:02:06,730 We discussed it. I don't really recall if there was a strong opinion one way or the other. 24 00:02:06,910 --> 00:02:11,210 There was an openness to it from the council, but I think there was also a little bit of hesitation. 25 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:19,170 At the time, the direction from the council was to bring it forward in a future date to consider if we wanted to put it on the ballot. 26 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:23,470 And so we, we bring this forth tonight to discuss and get some 27 00:02:23,470 --> 00:02:26,490 counsel direction on the side of it, because if we are going to put it on the 28 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:32,030 May ballot, then it needs to be approved later in February, to say 15th, 15th, 15th, 29 00:02:32,030 --> 00:02:36,150 and that, so that would be what we call the meeting, would be full. 30 00:02:36,610 --> 00:02:40,050 So we need to make that formal decision that the council meeting. 31 00:02:40,390 --> 00:02:43,950 And so it's kind of wanted to throw that out there and have discussion with 32 00:02:43,950 --> 00:02:47,750 council if there was still interest in pursuing that, or if we just want to leave 33 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:53,610 line for now and revisit, believe in the next charter review, committee will convene this fall. 34 00:02:54,190 --> 00:03:00,690 And so, you know, certainly something that we could revisit again, but also that was a recommendation of the last charter room. 35 00:03:01,130 --> 00:03:06,850 If it's so pleased as the council, we could certainly prepare that language to bring it forward for a formal, 36 00:03:06,850 --> 00:03:13,830 for formal consideration from you to be at the next council meeting, and then that item would be placed on the May original elections. 37 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:19,330 Robert, do all charter cities handle household stipends in their charter? 38 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:28,850 No, some of them simply are, I just say, the council, some are silent on council compensation. 39 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:31,750 Some of them say the council comes in set by ordinance. 40 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:39,570 But I'd say probably 60 to 70% do set it by charter. 41 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:46,530 And quite frankly, there have been quite a few charter amendments in cities where they have increased that. 42 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:52,610 I will tell you, I think if you went out, if the sole issue on the charter is just a way to count for it. 43 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:58,950 My friend that pulled the, it passes probably easier if it's folded in with a bunch of other things. 44 00:04:02,510 --> 00:04:06,930 It's pretty common to have compensation set by charter. 45 00:04:06,930 --> 00:04:11,050 I mean, when we do charter reviews for new cities, you know, we kind of recommend against it 46 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:17,450 because it's said it's done, it's so hard to change, and you may have, in 1970, when I 47 00:04:17,450 --> 00:04:22,590 have compensation that just can't get changed for political reasons, so the kind of conventional 48 00:04:22,590 --> 00:04:27,510 thinking is you just don't address it all, or you have it just addressed it by awarding it. 49 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:30,490 But if it's in the charter, the only way you can change it, obviously, is to do it by charter 50 00:04:30,490 --> 00:04:31,030 amendment. 51 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:41,130 That's up to you guys, if it passed without language speaking to that, it would take place immediately. 52 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:45,370 But we spoke about it once before and it was possibly making it passed. 53 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:53,790 But yeah, you guys have the total authority to set what that time, what that implementation would be, 54 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:55,730 and that could be put in the ballot language. 55 00:04:56,070 --> 00:04:59,550 So if it was something that you saw and said, oh, this is something that, 56 00:04:59,550 --> 00:05:02,490 because I mean, if you recall back to the chart we looked at, 57 00:05:02,630 --> 00:05:05,490 you know, little of me is on the lower end of compensation most, 58 00:05:05,550 --> 00:05:09,550 I wouldn't say most, the lower end of a full moon, the lowest. 59 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:12,930 There are some, there are some councils that, 60 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:14,970 I don't believe giving any snipe instead. 61 00:05:16,630 --> 00:05:20,930 So it certainly not putting council in the upper echelon for that area. 62 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:25,110 But if it wasn't something that moved for you could certainly say, 63 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:26,970 you know, we just wanted to go ahead and take place immediately, 64 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:45,590 or, you know, we want to wait and, you know, send the message to the public, well, this is something that we need to address, but we don't want it to appear that it's, you know, self-serving, so this goes into effect, you know, and 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, you know, whatever is the, you know, the desire of the council really as far as how the ballot line would just craft it. 65 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:56,930 What else on the ballot this time is just the two places and if there's anything that you put on 66 00:05:56,930 --> 00:06:01,730 You know what this issue there's not a there's not a sales tax renewal or anything like that 67 00:06:02,370 --> 00:06:06,650 It's simply and I think that may have been the hesitation for last May the world 68 00:06:06,650 --> 00:06:13,850 So I'm not sure I know it's been a hesitation in the past is not wanting to to muddy the street tax renewal up with any tournaments 69 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:20,850 But currently there's nothing else on the ballot from the town other than the two places that are normally up that time of year 70 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:24,730 So, unless you're in those districts, you're not going to be able to go anyway 71 00:06:24,730 --> 00:06:27,710 Well, everyone from the public would be able to come vote on the way 72 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:29,410 The charter, exactly, I know that. 73 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:32,210 And they're not going to be really looking to come vote 74 00:06:32,210 --> 00:06:32,530 Correct. 75 00:06:32,530 --> 00:06:34,030 It'd be very low turnout. 76 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:43,210 So there would be nothing other than this item to draw, you know, in the one outside of those two district seats 77 00:06:43,210 --> 00:06:46,530 you know, to the polls, but they would have the ability, but that would be the only thing 78 00:06:46,530 --> 00:06:47,810 that they would be going to vote for. 79 00:06:48,130 --> 00:06:53,210 The last conversation that we've asked, and this has come up, and we decided not to do it 80 00:06:53,210 --> 00:06:59,550 because we didn't want it to, but it waters, this would probably be most of our tone, especially 81 00:06:59,550 --> 00:07:06,610 saying that it's just going to get voted down with. 82 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:08,650 Yeah. 83 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:11,310 My focus. 84 00:07:11,970 --> 00:07:16,270 I mean, being a easy, I mean, I mean, I just never go to put it together. 85 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:18,230 Just the one, the one, the title. 86 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:21,130 I'm probably the old fashioned guy. 87 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:24,250 I just have no desire to increase the cycle. 88 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:28,210 That's just my personal feeling. 89 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:32,230 My guess is it would probably not pass just standing by itself. 90 00:07:39,910 --> 00:07:47,230 I don't think we're going to do it with the small amount of people that are voting on this one. 91 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:49,350 Yeah, we know what it will happen. 92 00:07:50,110 --> 00:07:51,390 But I'm good either way. 93 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:52,670 If we do it, we do it. 94 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:53,150 I'm fine with it. 95 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:55,990 If we don't do it, I really have no. 96 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:57,470 I have no. 97 00:07:57,810 --> 00:08:00,010 Well, you can't say you all. 98 00:08:09,630 --> 00:08:13,530 Where is the street sales tax up for renewable again? 99 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:14,470 It's not next year. 100 00:08:14,470 --> 00:08:19,250 I do not know what you're saying. 101 00:08:20,470 --> 00:08:26,450 It's also that there's not a street renewable in the ballot next year either which is a large 102 00:08:26,450 --> 00:08:27,110 election. 103 00:08:28,130 --> 00:08:33,050 So it's really, really, however you want to send this forward, again, I believe we're scheduled 104 00:08:33,050 --> 00:08:36,210 to have the charter review committee reconvening in next fall. 105 00:08:36,670 --> 00:08:41,450 I think it would be about the two-year mark, and we could be in that committee every two years. 106 00:08:42,010 --> 00:08:46,250 So it's certainly something that could be revisited at the end, but also something that we could put on this file. 107 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:48,150 So I'm going to put on this ballot, something that I'm making. 108 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:54,230 It's really up to you how and when and what frequency you want to ask the public about this question. 109 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:59,470 I don't want to recommend going back to the church and ask you to bring me from the church. 110 00:09:01,790 --> 00:09:06,830 If, by chance, two and four were not opposed. 111 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:08,950 We might not have the watch. 112 00:09:09,150 --> 00:09:12,150 Then the only thing is when I have owners of this position. 113 00:09:15,170 --> 00:09:16,290 I'm just... 114 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:16,310 I don't know. 115 00:09:17,630 --> 00:09:22,010 Well, he doesn't have to be elected either way. 116 00:09:23,770 --> 00:09:28,810 So it's not in combat, doesn't his position have to have a selection either way? 117 00:09:28,890 --> 00:09:29,810 Not all one person's type. 118 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:32,130 Now, it's only one person. 119 00:09:32,770 --> 00:09:34,530 Files for the position in both positions. 120 00:09:35,890 --> 00:09:38,150 You certify him and you cancel the election. 121 00:09:38,890 --> 00:09:39,510 So that happened. 122 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:45,530 You would be having the calls for the election, simply for the ballot proposition. 123 00:09:46,190 --> 00:09:46,690 That's fine. 124 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:48,830 No, that passed well, wouldn't it? 125 00:09:52,930 --> 00:09:59,510 It is also something where it doesn't necessarily have to be on a council election. 126 00:10:00,670 --> 00:10:05,430 I believe the last time we changed the charter, it was on a November General election. 127 00:10:05,870 --> 00:10:06,890 It was one of those questions. 128 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:08,490 So it's not limited. 129 00:10:09,210 --> 00:10:10,830 It's just, there is a cost factor involved. 130 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:11,950 We go alone. 131 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:16,430 It saves the town of cost when we're able to piggyback on an already developing balance. 132 00:10:16,430 --> 00:10:19,650 What we bring is back in amateur open up, 133 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,880 to me it makes more sense, we're going to have stuff on the ballad anyway. 134 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:33,020 Yeah, shared costs, still run a risk right now of having it the only eye to run the ballad. 135 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,520 And you're going to pay a good 13,000 to have the election. 136 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,820 You're going to have a slight victory. 137 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,580 Yeah, and I'll say that it. 138 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,080 I personally don't think it's good. 139 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:43,880 It's going to pass. 140 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,780 So I'm not even messing with it. 141 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:58,880 I'm finding either way y'all want to do, to me, we're not here here rich anyway, so this is, oh, I don't think I do that. 142 00:10:59,340 --> 00:11:09,140 Yeah, and what some of the cities have done that have been working with what they've done and it versus what they've made for you set up a charterman that basically kind of sets up a process that basically, 143 00:11:10,580 --> 00:11:16,040 you don't have been to charter basically, it says council compensation, there's a council compensation, 144 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:22,280 committee, they make recommendations, you have two public hearings as adopted by 145 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,480 ordinance. And that way, you know, if things, if you want to public input, 146 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:32,640 want to public notice, you know, if the people feel that the council 147 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,120 rather than no necessary can address it the ballot box, but you would have to go 148 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,160 back to to a charter change every four or five or six years when the cost 149 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,280 live and change is or whatever. You just create a committee that's studied just like 150 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:52,500 this. I mean, they make it a recommendation. It's publicly vetted. It's very transparent. 151 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:58,540 And it's, you can counsel that time besides here, they want to adopt or adopt or adopt 152 00:11:58,540 --> 00:12:05,400 something different. But it certainly is significantly cheaper than a charter election, having 153 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,340 to try to teach this thing up every four to six years. So that may be something that we might 154 00:12:09,340 --> 00:12:10,980 I want to consider the next charter committee. 155 00:12:11,540 --> 00:12:12,080 I agree with you. 156 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,380 I'm, well, I'm more concerned with the size of the districts over in the name of 157 00:12:18,380 --> 00:12:19,300 Council Compensation. 158 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:21,660 But I'd rather see something with that going. 159 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,500 Well, that will be taken care of through the redistricting process, which, 160 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:27,380 I believe we have a rest for it. 161 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:30,140 We've got to get a game for that. 162 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:30,660 We've got to get a game for that. 163 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,860 We've got to get a game for that. 164 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:55,760 What's the, we have to basically engage an outside person to be part of that process and it takes, it takes probably about 10 months to year to get completely redone and go through the research and make sure the district serves. 165 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,140 Specifically, you wouldn't work for the 2020 Census, right? 166 00:12:59,260 --> 00:13:01,600 I mean, you wait for the decennial Census. 167 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:03,940 That's the kind of the official number. 168 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,120 I mean, you can do the dues, 169 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:08,920 cog numbers, all of that, tremendous growth and imbalance. 170 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,680 But most folks, they wait to get the 2020 decennial census, 171 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,800 and that's the most reliable information. 172 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,900 And that's the one that, today, said that you need to get 173 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:21,000 any free clearance or adjust the cost of one, 174 00:13:21,460 --> 00:13:24,760 they tend to rely upon two in order to better find the redistricting 175 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,020 Yeah, but it's a good one. 176 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,720 Yeah, I have a last one. 177 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:30,400 I think I came through to think about the idea 178 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,380 that it's actually, thanks. 179 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,280 We are definitely due, for a redistricting, 180 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:38,060 because since the last time we're since the districts 181 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:40,900 were established in the current form, that was all done 182 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:42,880 before there were residents of Little Island, 183 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:44,940 on 380, and it does make up. 184 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,020 So it is definitely something that needs to happen, 185 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,940 but being this close to the census, 186 00:13:49,140 --> 00:13:50,420 you would want it to be exactly as possible 187 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:52,660 so that the district's in the form is possible. 188 00:13:52,660 --> 00:13:59,020 It's definitely something that is, we are in need for that to happen within the next year too. 189 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:00,060 We have a consensus. 190 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:03,880 What do you think would it be off the line? 191 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:10,800 Because it has come up so many times and it's a recommendation. 192 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:17,840 It most, I'd like to see it on the general election, since it's less close. 193 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:21,260 Opposed as if you want to just make a election. 194 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:26,480 Okay, so if we, if we do it, put it on a general election and the other way, you get more 195 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,160 input from the people of sure people have, that's the only way we get so long as I'm 196 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:31,240 up. 197 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:36,560 Now we are, we are kind of back and out to a time frame to where, you know, we are due for the 198 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,680 next, because we do review the charter every, every other year, per the charter, but 199 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:41,880 that. 200 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:47,860 And so do we want to, um, do we want to continue forward with this specific recommendation 201 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:51,780 an issue or see if it's the recommendation of the next charter for you to make it 202 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:59,480 which will convene the early fall late summer. I would love to present the options to them and 203 00:14:59,480 --> 00:14:59,860 let them. 204 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:21,500 So what I'm hearing is that we shouldn't move forward with it, you know, to have something prepared for consideration next meeting, you know, to place on the ballot area. 205 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,560 That's just how I've been able with that. 206 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:23,960 That's fine. 207 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:24,460 Got it. 208 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:26,340 Thank you, guys. 209 00:15:26,380 --> 00:15:27,080 I appreciate the guidance. 210 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,220 Oh, here we go. 211 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:32,380 Nick, you're on. 212 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,420 Revisit the start time hours of construction heavy equipment. 213 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:40,040 Use operations on Saturday and Sunday. 214 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,000 Now, Fred, I know he's to do up. 215 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:43,880 You can let him make the whole presentation. 216 00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:46,180 I'm just going to pull up the chart. 217 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:58,670 This is the current chart, correct? 218 00:16:02,780 --> 00:16:12,640 In the past, as you were called last August, it was about, I think it was August of 2017, 219 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,280 I believe we have dated the planning, the planning ordinances and the zoning ordinances. 220 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,480 And if you're called one of the items that we've paid particular attention to was the noise ordinance, 221 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:28,600 for several years prior to that, we had had discussions with residents around the Lakefront of how we can best implement 222 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,700 noise ordinance that you know keeps that balance of the the business community and also 223 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,720 neighborhood community and so the noise ordinance update was was a big part of our zoning 224 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,620 update in 2017 and prior to that if you're called back before you must have a lot of 225 00:16:42,620 --> 00:16:48,100 questions and issues as a as a citizen that you can't afford with this body was working on behalf of 226 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:53,340 some of his neighbors and folks in the area to change the time that people could start their law 227 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:56,820 hours of weekends, seven o'clock to eight o'clock. 228 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,380 And that was an ordinance that was adopted and put in place for the council on three 229 00:17:00,380 --> 00:17:03,360 of the 14th time frame. 230 00:17:03,820 --> 00:17:07,920 And so this was an item of discretion when this noise ordinance came up because, you know, 231 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:12,820 as we know with the zoning ordinance, it pretty much undid all the previous ordinances and 232 00:17:12,820 --> 00:17:14,060 then replaced it with the movement. 233 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:24,460 At the time, that change that it didn't make to be long here on weekends is not reflected in the ordinance. 234 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:27,320 And so that was an item of discussion with the council. 235 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:32,300 There was some back and forth on which way the council wanted to go is if they wanted to leave it at the A&M or not. 236 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:37,740 Ultimately, when it was approved, the council left it at A&M as a start time for lawmakers. 237 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:43,220 How are the specific only to the lawnmowers and what's come up since then, there's been some 238 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:47,820 some area that comes where commercial construction occurring on the weekends, you know, 239 00:17:47,820 --> 00:17:51,040 by ordinance commercial construction can be done in A& as well. 240 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,560 And so this means all days of the week and so there are some areas of, you know, 241 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:02,240 commercial construction that do back up to neighborhoods and we heard some concern from residents 242 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,560 when that occurs, you know, prior to A&Clock on weekends. 243 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:11,660 And I think there's some confusion from some of the residents that I thought you know, we can start time for this type of activity with ADAM 244 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:18,340 That's not the case with anything other than long care and so currently commercial construction is allowed to begin at 7 a.m. 245 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:24,860 And so there was a request from Councilman Mustang to revisit that and see if that time should be changed to 8 a.m. on the weekends. 246 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:28,280 You're on the pitch. 247 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:29,780 So 248 00:18:30,820 --> 00:18:31,680 Please, Lord. 249 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:38,860 So, the commercial construction that's going on, the reason I'm bringing this up is 250 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:45,100 a block that's reached out to me, that's almost on sunny side, because they're starting, 251 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,460 you know, they started at 6.451 morning, and that's when I wouldn't have on that. 252 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:53,320 So I called, and I saw that, and the officers responded were absolutely brilliant. 253 00:18:54,260 --> 00:18:59,040 They gave you guys credit for that, they even said it was clear that our intent was 254 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:06,140 probably to make it at 8 a.m. to match the lawn care to the lawn service, and it's, I can imagine 255 00:19:06,140 --> 00:19:09,800 being in some of the sections that we're going to let, you know, the commercial buildings 256 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,680 go up that are going to be bordering on houses. And, you know, seven o'clock in the morning, 257 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,680 you're going to start hearing dirt work turning, because we're, you know, we're on that 258 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,100 cuss, we're going to have a lot of that started. So I believe we should align it with the lawn 259 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:26,480 because well, 8 a.m. at a way there's no ifans or butts. 260 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:28,880 And. 261 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,880 I've dealt with it in my front for the last three years. 262 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:37,760 My thoughts. 263 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,400 Same thoughts I have with the long care. 264 00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:44,080 You have to look at the other side. 265 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:47,480 These guys trying to get a start, especially in the summertime. 266 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:49,980 We're pushing them back to eight o'clock. 267 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:56,600 And it's already 100 degrees and then the human, they're intractive trying to get here to 268 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:02,440 set up a, when they can try to beat some traffic and mean all the sudden it's set up by seven. 269 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,240 So we have a difference of weekend and weekday. 270 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,480 We don't, and that we did with the previous long-going ordinance in this current chart in the zoning. 271 00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:14,020 There's not a difference. 272 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,100 Currently, between weekends and weekdays. 273 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:21,300 It's technically, it doesn't matter if it's Wednesday or Saturday, while I'm going can't 274 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:22,240 begin until eight. 275 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:28,560 So, commercial construction in general, maybe we should put something in and says weekend 276 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,380 started eight, weekdays and started seven, most people are up and moving by seven to go 277 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:35,300 to work. 278 00:20:35,620 --> 00:20:35,640 It's fun. 279 00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:36,520 Not that big deal. 280 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:40,960 You're only pushing them back by an hour once a week, maybe twice a week. 281 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:42,280 Yeah. 282 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,120 It shouldn't deter their work too much. 283 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:50,520 Yeah, that's all on what I'm, that's what exactly I'm looking for, is 8 a.m. on Saturday and Sunday. 284 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,940 I'm fine with that. 285 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:58,120 I would recommend that if we do move forward with some sort of change that it does, that we do limit it to the weekends, 286 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,580 because it is, you know, especially, well, even this time of year, but especially during the summer and the warm months, 287 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:06,280 the construction crews are out there lined up. 288 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,840 that's six forty five ready to go in there you know oftentimes needing to get started as soon as possible 289 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,080 so it would certainly it could 290 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:20,500 call us some concern and some some heartache with the commercial community if it was limited all throughout the week 291 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:23,800 so I would recommend that if we do make a change that it is limited to the weekends 292 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,360 I think the issue is that if we pushed it out of the ATM every day 293 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:32,480 we wouldn't have cruise out here working all that much so we're going elsewhere to work 294 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,620 we're already having trouble getting cruise out here 295 00:21:34,620 --> 00:21:44,880 The only comment that I've had at all is during this time of year when there's so it's dark, so it's only just starting it later with short in the time that I've performed. 296 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,140 I'm going to give her talking Saturday and Sunday. 297 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,300 I just wanted to... 298 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:50,260 No, I heard you. 299 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,440 I mean, there's dark at that time too. 300 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,920 I mean, there's so much dark. 301 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:55,500 Yeah. 302 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:56,900 This time of year there. 303 00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:07,360 Yeah, it was still dark. I used flashlight. It was about lighted them up. 304 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:08,980 So really, if this meeting were just over that? 305 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Yeah, the weekends are all on concern. 306 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,080 Seven a.m. on the road, you'll look. 307 00:22:13,380 --> 00:22:14,040 By seven a.m. 308 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,420 I just don't agree. 309 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:18,900 I mean, thinking about construction guys. 310 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:22,160 They're trying to get in here as far as possible. 311 00:22:22,820 --> 00:22:25,040 And the problem is the construction guys are on different 312 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,940 for two to three weeks, maybe six weeks of the most. 313 00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:29,960 The rest of us have to actually live that. 314 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:32,400 And they're just going to keep going and going. 315 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,640 I'm going to live there for five, you know. 316 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,040 And they don't, when you tell them eight a.m., 317 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,100 they're going to start, you're still going to have to remind them 318 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:41,680 at seven, they're, I mean, six, 45 a.m. 319 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,220 on a Saturday morning. 320 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,740 I'm sorry, I work during the week. 321 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:48,180 And everybody, I want to sleep. 322 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:49,300 That is my time. 323 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,460 That's my neighbor's time. 324 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,560 I mean, I've never seen all my neighbors at one time. 325 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,580 I mean, the only person I was missing was Jeanette. 326 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:57,560 I mean, it's pretty good chance that we're doing it. 327 00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:00,620 I don't agree with you. 328 00:23:01,220 --> 00:23:01,400 I don't agree with you. 329 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:08,040 It's no different from the reason I leave earlier in the morning to be traffic. 330 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:10,040 I'm doing it to be traffic. 331 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:14,560 These guys are doing it to give that extra hour of working hand. 332 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,980 As I don't agree with it, especially for two days. 333 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,260 Almost Saturday and Sunday. 334 00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:36,160 I think that's the reality of when we come and bring items like this when there's not a voting item, it is really just to kind of get a sense. 335 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:46,840 And in an item like this where there's not a clear consensus, I think that's kind of the best that we can do is put something together for, you know, the vote because that's what ultimately will need to determine it is what the official vote is. 336 00:23:47,360 --> 00:24:10,860 But we do want to kind of do as much as we can to address the different concerns with the process before we write the ordinance, and I don't know how difficult it would be either, but it would be a little difficult to enforce, but it's something that could be a consideration of that time to be a starting time when it's in a certain proximity to a residential area. 337 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:18,060 That's another rank that makes the ordinance a little trickier for them to write, but it is something. 338 00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:24,220 Because we want to have that balance because obviously we care very much about the comfort and the happiness of our residents, 339 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:26,140 but we're also a very pro-business community. 340 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,320 We want to make sure we balance those. 341 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:31,000 And so we could also look to a solution. 342 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:34,160 We could look and see if there's a way to word it to where I would like that. 343 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,040 If there was our seminaries where people will be building imperial commercial areas. 344 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,140 Because if there's not residents, I mean, the reason it was an issue over in the area where it was 345 00:24:42,140 --> 00:24:46,940 is because the construction site literally shared a borderline with the street full of neighbors, 346 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,120 there probably wouldn't have been a concern for anybody if it would have been out in open 347 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,980 field where there wasn't a resident for, you know, a quarter mile. 348 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:55,140 And construction is construction. 349 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:55,640 Right. 350 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,900 So this residential commercial. 351 00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:57,600 It's all same. 352 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:06,420 Commercial construction does have, I mean, 353 00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:07,180 of the same. 354 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,960 There was going to be a very nice question, but you've got to check it, because if you 355 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,540 can start a house in front of it, there is an interval of budding up against the 356 00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:16,140 Resvisor, which will apply it. 357 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,780 That's another thing on the land, where we talk to the Desperate, we talk to the Desperate 358 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:22,340 Resvisor, we talk to the Desperate. 359 00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:26,000 I think he was waiting for a new type of instruction, where it started in a certain 360 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,600 part of the minute. 361 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,800 Yeah, I think we need to make it the half of the solution, not just that. 362 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:52,000 What does that affect the like we would our group who's go out to do this stuff like they're doing with the roads that we're placing slabs and stuff like that right so does that keep them from also working until that time as well currently now they're they're not allowed to start until seven now we do have a caveat there that 363 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,880 I can give them an early poor waiver, which we do quite frequently, especially in the summer when there's such a demand for concrete. 364 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,980 When we do that, it's oftentimes not without complaint from some residents, but we kind of have to weigh that on a case-by-case basis. 365 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:14,840 This is probably going to have set a group of residents on this day, but if it doesn't happen, they're probably not going to get concrete for this project for another three weeks. 366 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,040 So sometimes we have to use our judgment. 367 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:21,000 We do have that flexibility in the ordinance to allow them in an early poor way, but I 368 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,660 don't think that extends to grading and digging and all those. 369 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:26,640 It's pretty much limited to the concrete floors. 370 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,740 Yeah, we get it. 371 00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:32,020 Because there's, I mean, not everything in construction causes a lot of holes. 372 00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:32,840 Right. 373 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,740 I mean, we get the nestles. 374 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:38,280 I mean, if it's not something that's extremely loud, they can start it at 6 o'clock. 375 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:44,440 Yeah, because that's also, maybe when you're letting them back up, B, B, B, that's 376 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:52,420 And then so that's when we have 45 to 50 hours of beat beat and going every week. 377 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:59,920 And also the reality is that if there is a, you know, construction activity that's happening that's not making noise. 378 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,040 No one's going to cause no one's going to call in or the ordinance to really be enforced. 379 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:04,820 You know what I mean? 380 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,460 It's kind of one of the self. 381 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:12,200 Well, we're also trying to make it pro commercial and pro business. 382 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:18,780 If there is part of their business, they could do, they could start as early as they want, as long as it's time, but you can only score some of the trepophils up at the next one. 383 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,360 Yeah. 384 00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:24,240 How do we need to do a little more research? 385 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:24,900 I know. 386 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:31,880 How you might handle those areas where you're not residential and you're residential and you districts are. 387 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:32,840 But it is interesting. 388 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,660 There we go. 389 00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:34,140 Instruction. 390 00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:37,420 Because again, which will reach you real fast. 391 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:41,560 Well, I think from, you know, just like that, from an important standpoint. 392 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:50,880 you know, the SDF construction, the here at the adjacent to a residential subdivision or 393 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,860 a garden, the subdivision or commercial, and it's a big, thank you. 394 00:27:57,380 --> 00:28:01,320 And the back comes back to the number of jettinors doing one of the regulations to the 395 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,140 residential or commercial standpoint. 396 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:08,800 If you look at all our vacant lots and almost all of them, a lot of them are adjacent 397 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:18,820 I mean, it's done and said, everybody within two months of loss or it's just done at the other end of the album from an important standpoint. 398 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,160 That's a little bit of a challenge for the future. 399 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:28,800 You know, we can hear directly adjacent to the construction, whether it's commercial or it's literally started this year. 400 00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:31,640 That's pretty clear that we know that everybody is predictable. 401 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,200 Contracts. 402 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,320 And they're in, and it's pretty good, and they're on expectation. 403 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,060 Why don't you do a little research? 404 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,720 And bring something back for another workshop, and then we take a camera. 405 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:56,440 So it certainly start crafting something that sounds like, you know, the thing that needs to be up for the counsel to vote on, you know, upper down is that there is some component of 8 a.m. on the weekends that will be considered. 406 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,620 And then again, I'm something I clarify when it comes. 407 00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:03,520 And I think that when we have an issue like this, 408 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:05,020 whether it's not clear consensus from the council, 409 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:08,120 I think that's the best for us to do is to put it together 410 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,900 so that you guys can actually have the boat on it 411 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:11,340 and then it passes their fails, 412 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,060 because we certainly don't want to try to push it 413 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:14,040 one way or the other. 414 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,060 We certainly don't want to push it one way or the other. 415 00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:19,720 Yeah, that's pretty much the same. 416 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,600 And then the seven is the column that we're currently 417 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,020 forward. 418 00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:25,460 That's very, those are pretty common for access to the eight. 419 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:51,860 We can put something together then kind of, you know, that takes into account as much of the consensus as we have heard and then, you know, some of the other items, and then, you know, those can be addressed by the council, you know, actually has consideration of the item. 420 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:54,680 Perfect. All right. Good afternoon. 421 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:56,600 We'll see. 422 00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:06,200 Presentation of any monthly updates from the Department of Health, concerning law and person activities, etc. 423 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,940 Oh, I don't know. 424 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:12,100 I don't have a person. 425 00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:20,430 So this is our new purchasing manager, Rebecca Hunter. She started on December 26th. 426 00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:21,370 Yes, sir. 427 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,760 Council, Highlight, any items on the agenda need to further discuss your comments? 428 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:42,020 We do, we would request a council convene into executive session before consideration of item nine, so that we can go over. 429 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:53,980 It's something that's been discussed before, but we would like to talk about the final points of the development agreement to ensure that there's no questions or any changes that need to occur with the attorney before. 430 00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:55,760 I'm about to take it on that item. 431 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,400 All right, so I'll load it. 432 00:30:58,780 --> 00:30:59,140 All right. 433 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:00,660 Wait, that's for this one. 434 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,340 You're not going to do that. 435 00:31:02,580 --> 00:31:03,020 Oh, no.