[0:00] 30.
>> That's a long meeting.
[0:04] » All right, let us call this meeting to
order. Thank you for being here tonight,
[0:08] everyone.
>> Um, let's start with the city council
[0:12] leazison report who's not going to be
here. Do we have any updates from him?
[0:16] » We do not.
>> Okay. Um, Tim, do you want to kick us
[0:19] off for the director's report?
>> Sure. First thing we would like to do,
[0:22] ma'am, first thing I'd like to do is
introduce those of you who have met her,
[0:25] our finance director, Lori Mata, who is
here.
[0:28] She has been interested since she got
here in kind of the logistics of how the
[0:33] grant program for the lodgers tax works.
So, she's here this evening and may join
[0:36] us in August, too, if uh if uh if she
had her schedule allow, but she's
[0:40] obviously obviously busy putting
together the city budget. So, we
[0:43] appreciate you being here. And then I
will issue my standard apology for the
[0:47] climate control or lack thereof here.
[clears throat] We think we're about a
[0:52] month or so out from it being done.
Unless I just jinxed us. probably just
[0:57] jinxed [laughter] it.
>> But it's it is someone asked me how the
[1:01] summer is going. Well, it's an adventure
because every day we don't aren't sure
[1:04] if it's going to be 65 or 85 in building
and it kind of depends on what part of
[1:08] the building you're in. But we are
staying close to the end of the project
[1:13] and that
>> libraries also have been an exciting and
[1:19] um surprising turn kind of summer. We're
not like if we're not sure if it's going
[1:24] to be 65 or 85 in the in the museum. Uh
we're not sure if we're gonna have
[1:28] 65,000 or 85,000 people at the library.
Um [laughter]
[1:31] no, to to uh to be serious, I want to
sing the praises of my team in terms of
[1:36] their ability to pivot and adapt. Um we
have had um some some unusually
[1:43] some unusual traffic patterns at the
library, which I mean summer is
[1:46] typically our busy season over across
the street. That's no surprise, but it
[1:50] seems like a lot of our programs are and
a lot of our activities are seeing much
[1:54] more participation than usual in a year
when we're having some vacancies in key
[1:57] positions. So, credit to the team um for
pulling together and making things work.
[2:04] Um not always easy, but they're doing a
great job of continuing to serve our
[2:08] community through through the summer,
and I just want to give credit to them
[2:11] for that.
>> Excellent. Uh our summer, our high
[2:14] activity season runs through the end of
July for the under 18 crowd, 18 and
[2:18] under crowd. Um adults get an extra
month into August and before we know it,
[2:22] we'll be in the school year. So
>> busy times over there.
[2:26] » Busy times. [laughter]
Gear's almost over.
[2:29] » Okay, moving into public comment. Um we
do have a signin sheet. Each speaker
[2:35] will be limited to three minutes. The
Arts and Culture Board is not authorized
[2:39] by Colorado Open Meetings Law to discuss
comment or take action at the meeting on
[2:44] any issue raised by public comment that
is not part of tonight's agenda. Um, we
[2:48] can refer the matter to the appropriate
city staff for immediate comment after
[2:53] public comment or to obtain additional
information and report back to the board
[2:56] as I do see we've got somebody here
signing in. Hi Pam.
[3:11] Uh, hi Arts and Culture Board. My name
is Pam Chaporn. I'm the downtown and um
[3:18] I was looking at the economic impact
report with interest. I think it's
[3:25] great. Um, but something struck me right
away, really glaringly obvious. And so
[3:31] um that's what I'm going to talk about.
Um
[3:36] the f first thing it says is uh looking
at visitation drivers, resource
[3:42] activation and datadriven strategies.
You know arts and culture in the picture
[3:47] is downtown.
Downtown is a historic preservation
[3:52] district and the sense of place and the
buildings and the place where art is
[3:57] installed is in a historic preservation
district. If you can't look at the
[4:02] buildings and the structures, I don't
think you have the same arts and culture
[4:05] experience. And historic preservation
needs the same things, visitation
[4:10] drivers, resource activation, and
datadriven strategies. And the economic
[4:15] impacts are can be great or they can be
harmed by mistakes made with historic
[4:22] preservation as much as it can with arts
and culture. In fact, maybe more because
[4:27] Littleton's historic um you know for
downtown the comment was made uh 20
[4:32] years ago there was nobody down there
but then we created the district and
[4:36] slowly that changed.
Um, and you could say it's a vital
[4:41] component of what downtown is. Uh,
Hudson Gardens could be considered
[4:48] historic. I don't know where where we're
going to go with that, but anyway, um,
[4:52] that sense of place and and, uh, the the
economic asset that you have by historic
[4:58] preservation cannot be separated from
arts and culture. I think um, that isn't
[5:04] your job. It's our sta our city
management's job and it's not being
[5:09] performed. Um I don't want to sound
uh like I'm trying to uh it's a problem
[5:18] that we have that small cities have. um
oftentimes they don't integrate work
[5:25] well and we have a historic board and
commission history where the division of
[5:32] labor doesn't reflect
these realities of um the
[5:37] interdependency of the sense of place,
the architecture, the buildings and the
[5:41] arts and culture that's there. So, um,
so this report is interesting to me
[5:49] because just imagine what it would be if
it relied on a sense of place with
[5:53] historic preservation and um, we could
count on that and then we could look at
[5:58] other places and buildings that would be
city assets as well. We need money for
[6:03] historic preservation and we're not
getting it. We need attention and we
[6:08] need design standards that we used to
have which we don't have anymore. and
[6:12] I'm really fearful that we're going to
lose our historic assets.
[6:17] » So, um, that's what I wanted to bring to
your attention. Thanks very much.
[6:23] » Thank you, Pam.
[6:27] » All right, not seeing anyone else that
would like to speak.
[6:32] Um, moving into old business um the arts
and culture economic impact study and
[6:39] memo, we did have um economic
development out recently to share with
[6:46] us and I believe there was an email sent
from Tim with some updates um regarding
[6:51] impact study. There were a few things
that um staff was able to catch and I
[6:56] also think a few board members caught as
well. So, thank you for reviewing that
[6:59] and sending in all of those um updates
and changes. This is really just to kind
[7:04] of close the loop with this. Um there's
no formal action really needed tonight,
[7:08] but I wanted to make sure we had a few
minutes to discuss if there were any
[7:12] questions or anything we wanted to um
you know, talk about before we move into
[7:17] our new business. So, sure if there's
anybody that has
[7:24] » when is this presented to city council?
This will be on um the 28th, July 28th,
[7:29] the same night that we'll be doing our
recap for the Arts and Culture Board,
[7:32] but I hope all of them um but I believe
they are we're scheduled first.
[7:38] » They're after us.
>> They're after us.
[7:39] » Right now, we're okay. Then they're
going to be after us. Um it does fit in
[7:44] really well with our strategic plan, the
arts and culture strategic plan. That's
[7:48] one thing that I jumped out at me when I
looked through it, but I wanted to make
[7:51] sure we had a chance to talk. Did you
something that jumped out at you that
[7:57] you wanted to
>> I I sense my comments to Tim and
[8:01] um
I'm shocked they're not here to present
[8:05] again tonight. Shocked. [laughter]
Um, no, my my comments were mostly in
[8:12] that there was I think some research
oversight or very glaring things that
[8:17] were left out that hopefully will be
incorporated. Um,
[8:22] that I I trust with the incorporation of
of those very glaring elements, the
[8:28] overall report will have more
credibility to our city council.
[8:35] » That's it. Denise, we we did send all of
those catches over to economic
[8:38] development. I talked to Rachel
yesterday and those will all be passed
[8:41] on to BBC and incorporated into the into
the final draft.
[8:45] » Great.
Thank you.
[8:48] » Anything else?
>> I'm recalling correctly, was this the
[8:52] one that felt like we attacked him?
That's [laughter]
[8:58] » and and vice versa.
[9:02] » Um in the emails And if I about
tonight's meeting, it was called out
[9:09] that the attendance is still incorrect,
but we're just rolling with it. Is that
[9:13] correct or
>> Well, I think um staff did dig into that
[9:17] a little bit deeper. The one that seemed
to be kind of the outlier was the
[9:20] museum. So, the rest of them seem to be
in line.
[9:23] » Okay.
>> Um but that was after some research. I
[9:26] think Anna, you were the one that was
putting that up, [laughter] digging into
[9:30] all of that for us.
[9:34] Yeah. Um,
>> did I sum in?
[9:36] » I think so. Yeah. Um,
yeah, I think the event in question was
[9:41] harvest festival, which we know because
we handc count attendees. Um, which know
[9:45] we know that to be much greater than the
3,000 plus something that they have on
[9:50] there. Um, but the other organizations
in town that were included in that um
[9:57] seem they corroborated. They said that
that that that that number was like
[10:01] roughly what they would expect.
>> Great. And and to be fair, the museum
[10:05] has kind of been an outlier since the
city first started using Placer AI the
[10:09] very first year that or the when they
were actually test driving it. Um our
[10:13] numbers just didn't match up at all. So
we we so we didn't haven't done a lot
[10:16] with we haven't really anything with
Placer. We rely on our on our accounts.
[10:20] So I do think it may just be something
with with us and our location. It's and
[10:24] it's cell phone pings versus hand counts
too. So there's there's some anomaly
[10:28] with us it seems like, but everyone else
did did say that it was it was pretty
[10:33] accurate. Nobody was spot on with the
exact number, but it was it was accurate
[10:36] enough that they were comfortable with
it.
[10:38] » Great. That [snorts] was a good
question. That was one thing that
[10:41] definitely came up. So thank you for
asking that.
[10:46] » Any other thoughts on that?
Um please do feel free to come on the
[10:52] it's a steady session on the 28th. Um,
like I said, they'll be presenting this,
[10:56] but we will also be, um, Tim and I will
be presenting um, just the recap for the
[11:00] Arts and Culture Board. And it's always
good to have power and numbers. So,
[11:05] » time on the 28th.
>> It's at 6:30 um, the 28th, Tuesday the
[11:10] 20th.
>> All right, new business. The first thing
[11:15] we have is the depot art gallery. Um,
they have requested a extension for
[11:21] their grant. Um, it's nice. I think
everybody was most of us were here um
[11:26] for that grant um which is for the
storage shed. They are requesting a
[11:30] one-year extension. They need public
works to come out and install a pad and
[11:34] they just haven't been able to do that.
So, this is something that's outside of
[11:37] their control. Um but I wanted to make
sure that we had this in front of you.
[11:41] And because they're requesting an
extension, we do need a yes no vote on
[11:46] this. Um, I don't know if anybody have
questions about this or if you already
[11:50] had a chance to take a look at their
requests that they sent over.
[11:58] » Motion.
[laughter]
[12:00] » If there's no discussion,
>> motion to extend for one year for the
[12:04] depot art gallery.
>> I second that.
[12:07] » All in favor?
[12:16] And onto the fence,
loaders, tax grants. Um, tiers one,
[12:22] three, and four. I think everybody has
their binders. Um, by now, tier one and
[12:27] tier three. Um, in past year, we talked
about this, are typically considered
[12:33] passroughs for us, designated by
council. Um, this is the first year, I
[12:37] have to say, that everybody that's
sitting on the board has gone through a
[12:41] grant season. So, I think that's really
exciting. I um I love that we've all had
[12:46] a little bit of experience because it's
hard to catch up to that. So, I just
[12:50] wanted to recognize that tonight and say
thank you to everybody because I think
[12:54] that that's really um a great thing for
us that we've all been here. Um tier one
[12:58] and tier three. Um
I don't know if there's any discussion
[13:04] or some questions about tier one. if we
want to talk about that first
[13:10] » say that I'm
[13:17] » just a few reminders too um that tiers
one and three are essentially passroughs
[13:24] to council um and tier four is probably
the one where we have the most wiggle
[13:30] room I'd say. Um, and another really
good piece of news actually that's very
[13:35] exciting is that our projected lodgers
tax revenue is up.
[13:43] » Uh, last we heard from finance
department is up by around 45,000 which
[13:47] is great um because as Tim said earlier
today in a meeting since lodgers tax and
[13:53] the first year we were down 120,000
second year down an additional 100,000
[13:58] and the third year an additional 100,000
on top of that. So I think this is
[14:03] probably
uh it's like the opposite of the canary
[14:07] in the coal mine. It's a good thing.
[laughter]
[14:10] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[14:11] » So does that change the um the number of
grants in two?
[14:18] » It didn't change the number. What we did
was right now I think we're about 45,000
[14:23] ahead of where we were last year but
because it's still fairly early in the
[14:26] year we haven't we haven't recommended
using that at this point. But we'll be
[14:29] coming back in August to do tier 2.
We'll have some more updated numbers for
[14:33] you. You can tell you whether that trend
line um has has continued or whether
[14:36] there's been any change to it. So, we're
trying to hold off as long as we can
[14:40] before we allocate just to see if
there's there's a a slide back.
[14:44] » I wrote down those estimates for each
those dollar estimates if anyone's
[14:48] interested in hearing them. I mean, it
might change again by next month, but um
[14:53] you guys want you want me to tell I can
read them out?
[14:55] » Yeah.
>> Um Okay. So tier one is at 60%.
[15:00] Um and with that estimated revenue that
comes to approximately 439,000.
[15:08] Um so it's around 98,000 per uh
>> 109,000. Thank you. For each or of the
[15:16] four organizations.
>> Um and then tier 2 is at 15%.
[15:22] As well as tier three. They're both at
15%. So they each come to 109,800.
[15:29] And then tier four is the smallest
allocation at 10% and that's around
[15:33] 73,000.
[15:38] » Do you have a question?
>> I don't have a question. I don't know if
[15:42] I'll see it or not.
>> I have comment.
[15:48] So,
and maybe this is later, but I feel like
[15:54] while we haven't adopted policy of the
60, 15, 15, 10, we've also
[16:00] rounded from time to time. And at some
point, I would love to entertain the
[16:05] notion of holding tier one at $100,000
each, holding tier three at $100,000
[16:13] or whatever it is. It's 15% of our
>> 100 because the same 109
[16:17] » 100
>> well that's what it would be with the
[16:19] new numbers but
>> correct
[16:21] » holding it at the 100,000 and then
trying to figure out what to do with
[16:26] $49,000
and I think it's an interesting
[16:29] discussion some of it goes to tier two
some of it goes to tier four all of it
[16:33] goes to tier two and if if we want to
hold tight to percentages or as we
[16:38] historically have do a little bit of
creative rounding to benefit the tier
[16:44] twos and the or the tier twos and the
tier fours.
[16:48] » I think maybe we can make a note of that
for when we do the policy because um we
[16:52] will be having every year we do the
policy discussion followup after the
[16:56] grants and I think that that is
something that we should definitely have
[17:00] on that list to discuss. Um maybe we can
make a note of that. I know you'll
[17:04] remember, but that way we can have it we
can parking lot it if you will. And then
[17:09] um if there's other thoughts that you
guys have too for policy um you know
[17:14] updates, changes, just thoughts or
questions um or even um the
[17:20] organizations that are in tier one.
That's a a conversation for when we go
[17:24] back and circle back to that. I think
we've had that discussion before, but I
[17:27] do think that there's some um need to
revisit that as well. So maybe we can
[17:31] put that in the parking lot and we can
that when we have the policy um
[17:36] discussions, but thank you for bringing
that up. I think that's definitely
[17:39] something that we need to discuss.
>> Were there any other things that we can
[17:47] add to the parking lot list or thoughts
that you want to add to
[17:51] » I'm going to dig in the policy and maybe
parking lot that's a little closer to
[17:54] this year.
>> Okay.
[17:58] go back and watch our minutes and our
videos and see where we landed.
[18:02] » But just to just to confirm, any policy
changes wouldn't affect this round. It'd
[18:07] be for next year.
>> Correct. Um, so we and because we don't
[18:11] have it on our agenda to discuss
tonight, that's typically what we
[18:14] discuss after we go through the grant
process. But I want to make sure if we
[18:18] have some of those thoughts now that we
get them down because it's I don't
[18:22] always remember, but it's easy to go
back if we have a list of things that we
[18:26] could talk about.
>> Does the policy require distribution of
[18:31] 100% of the funds?
>> It does.
[18:33] » Yeah. Okay.
[18:41] discussion or
>> are we are we discussing
[18:45] » Well, we we do tonight need a yes no
vote for the logers tax tiers one three
[18:52] and four. Um, but I wanted to make sure
we had an opportunity to have a little
[18:57] discussion first.
[19:02] » Going to be this person again, partially
because this is my day job. Um, but for
[19:07] the city of Littleton communications and
events application, like it was open
[19:12] application for tier three, I am like
once again disappointed with it's like
[19:18] more robust than the first the first
draft last year, but it feels as though
[19:26] there's like
nothing new and we're just going to keep
[19:30] doing the same things.
Um,
[19:35] and
[19:38] I don't I just feel a little weighed
with
[19:43] what they're going for.
>> I agree.
[19:45] » Yeah.
[19:48] » Can you possibly ask them just for a
little more detail to dig in? I mean, it
[19:52] is pretty
straightforward in here, but there if
[19:56] they have additional detail. I don't
know because the window for asking
[20:00] questions is already
>> passed. Um so in theory we were supposed
[20:05] to review these come send any questions
prior to I don't remember what the
[20:10] deadline was but like
>> we did we didn't have any questions I
[20:13] think for
>> I only got questions on tier two.
[20:16] » Okay
>> which is what um I then compiled and
[20:18] sent out to the whole board. I didn't
get any any question I and I don't know
[20:22] maybe Tim you feel differently but I I
think it's always I I I don't know. I
[20:26] think it would be fair to forward on
questions, but I don't think it would
[20:30] affect like tonight
>> just to get some more color. I think not
[20:34] not to affect what's in here, but
>> yeah, I mean I think we could reach out
[20:38] to to Jessica communications and see if
they want can provide any additional
[20:43] detail. Last last year when we asked for
that which got a much more I think
[20:48] robust response. Um, and I think they I
think they did did it as an application
[20:53] and then, you know, layered in just
facts and there probably is a whole lot
[20:57] of additional context there. So that's I
think we can do that. I don't know that
[21:02] it
>> I don't know that we can just because we
[21:05] kind of set the deadline for when the
question should be in. I don't know we
[21:08] that that can necessarily affect the
>> the process tonight, right?
[21:13] » But I do think we can find we'll get
more information for you. That was an
[21:16] internal deadline and not official in
any capacity.
[21:20] » It was
[21:24] » I would also like to see them respond to
the there's there's quite a bit of meat
[21:29] in here that has to do with advertising
and communications
[21:33] that council will hear between now and
when we meet again.
[21:39] » Perhaps maybe it's more of a parking lot
thing of
[21:42] figuring out how for
ongoing years
[21:48] to encourage
what is it Littleton to seek
[21:55] uh innovation in what they're doing and
not just
[22:01] an expectation that they have $100,000
to do exactly the same things. So maybe
[22:07] that's a
>> Yeah, I think like
[22:10] » conversation.
>> Yeah, something that I would love to see
[22:12] too is like you know I appreciate and
recognize all the growth they've had
[22:17] like with marketing comms and like their
social media work. Um, but I think like
[22:22] for our purposes like the ultimate goal
of Visit Littleton is to get more people
[22:27] here. And so I would love to see more
data on like the actual attendance.
[22:32] Listen, I know we have that in this um
economic development report, but I would
[22:39] love to see a little bit more like I
guess grassroots information about that
[22:42] and like how these numbers on social
translate to you know people in hotel
[22:50] beds.
>> Yeah,
[22:51] » I Yeah, I would I would suggest that if
people have specific feedback and
[22:55] questions or communications, they send
it to me in writing
[22:58] » like within the next week,
>> right? And then that's a more tangible
[23:02] thing that I can share with them rather
than just, hey, can you provide some
[23:05] more context? Because I don't I I just
need more information on what exactly
[23:09] you have questions on. And I'd be I'd be
happy. I was also wondering if as as of
[23:14] like I think they came last year, maybe
we have a one meeting a year, like a
[23:18] standing meeting where they come and do
inerson updates to the board.
[23:22] » Yeah, we've got some slots available in
the fall coming up in the fall. Yeah,
[23:29] » I think that would be helpful, too.
>> Yeah, great idea.
[23:36] » Okay,
>> but they're required to not use the word
[23:41] placer during that meeting
[laughter]
[23:44] for you
for everybody.
[23:51] » When the last time they were here, it it
felt a little bit like we attacked them
[23:55] all. it was [laughter] actually
[24:01] » for the record I did I remember when
they were here and I did say I don't
[24:04] think you should be spending money on
paid SEO because
[24:07] » people aren't using Google much anymore
so why would you
[24:10] » continue to spend
>> paid SEO and it's in their
[24:15] » some firms do include AEO
but I mean that would be super helpful
[24:21] to show that
>> yeah I mean it It basically kind of
[24:26] devolved to we've got one person who has
10% of her time is able to put the
[24:33] energy to this so what do you expect was
kind of the sorry
[24:37] » was kind of the attitude and then it
even comes through in here where it's
[24:40] like it really cost us $130,000 to do
this but we're only getting a hundred is
[24:45] what I read in the funding.
So they're already kind of like setting
[24:50] the stage of well don't expect a lot out
of us. Sorry. Anybody on the line can
[24:58] » So, I think we get them on the calendar
for the fall and they can come out and
[25:01] talk to us. If you have some of those
specific, it sounds like there's some
[25:04] really great specific things that you're
looking for. Um, you can send them to
[25:08] Anna.
>> Um, how about by like Yeah, like mid
[25:13] next week.
>> Okay.
[25:14] So send those out to her and then that
way when they come out they'll know kind
[25:18] of what we're looking for, what they um
what questions we'd like to have um
[25:23] answered and we can go from there. But
we'll get them on the calendar for sure
[25:27] like that.
>> Yeah.
[25:31] » Um any other discussion thoughts
those tears?
[25:40] We do need to approve that. Guess no
vote on those. Um, if there's no further
[25:46] discussion, I guess we need a motion.
[25:51] » Are you shy?
[laughter]
[25:54] » I'm not used to this.
>> I'm new to
[25:58] my motion. Anybody want to go tier by
tier?
[26:02] » Oh, yes. Thank you. Tear by tier. Let's
start with tier one. Tim,
[26:06] I need help, too. Um,
tier one. So tier one we have town hall
[26:12] at seven museum library and Hudson
Gardens. Um as Anna said 60% goes to
[26:19] that tier. Right now it's looking like
$439,200
[26:24] which would be $49,000
per.
[26:28] So we need to approve tier one first.
>> I move that we approve tier one. Second.
[26:35] » All in favor.
And we have one recusal.
[26:48] » Um moving on to tier three which is
communications state and communications
[26:55] in their
proposal 15% of the res revenue which is
[27:00] about $109,000.
Um so we need to have a yes no vote on
[27:06] tier three.
[27:10] motion to vote
from Cameron or
[27:16] » whoever just waiting. [laughter]
>> Okay. Um all in favor
[27:25] post.
[27:31] One thing I can do is send their both
their end ofear report for the first
[27:35] year 2025 end of year 2026 midyear
reports so we can see a little bit more
[27:41] of what kind of data they're gathering.
>> Yeah.
[27:44] » Awesome.
>> Okay.
[27:45] » I'm not trying to hold their money back.
I'm just trying to
[27:50] » see where the money's going that it's
being spent well effectively.
[27:54] » Then you have to vote.
>> Yeah. If if I if [laughter] anything if
[27:57] anything I would hope that they're just
taking the feedback and like I would
[28:00] want to ask them like what have you
learned since last year in terms of
[28:04] » that actually is a question on their
mini report. So like there is an answer
[28:07] to that question.
>> Oh excellent.
[28:10] [laughter]
>> And tier four which is the arts and
[28:15] culture programming outreach planning
um that is 10% of the revenue which is
[28:22] around $73,000.
We need to take a yes no vote on that
[28:26] one.
>> I move to
[28:30] » Okay.
>> Cheer four.
[28:32] » Second.
>> Jinx. [laughter]
[28:35] » All in favor.
[28:47] » All right. Thank you.
>> Um
[28:55] » [laughter]
[28:58] » I know. Um I do want to mention
everybody has their binders. Next month
[29:04] is the big meeting of course. Um we are
starting at five o'clock on what is that
[29:12] date? The 13th. August 13th. So it is a
five o'clock start time. Is that right?
[29:18] No. August. Uh what is the date?
[29:24] is okay. It didn't It sounded like it
was further out, but Okay. Um, so it is
[29:29] a 5:00 start time. We will be bringing
in food um so look for that email. But I
[29:36] want to make sure there's a score sheet
that Anna needs um by August 7th. So you
[29:42] guys all have this score. Make sure that
if you have um that done, send it to her
[29:48] no later than August 7th. I'm sure she
would love to have them earlier if
[29:51] possible. I will send it all again.
>> Yeah, [laughter] I'll send it all again
[29:55] if you could.
>> Yeah, I don't Yeah, I don't mind at all.
[29:58] And also, um, if you didn't already pick
it up, I I do have hard copies on the
[30:02] table over there of the answer to
questions.
[30:05] » And there are two new ones on that that
rolled in after I emailed it. So, please
[30:11] be sure I'll send it on via email. So,
you have a digital copy as well, but
[30:15] that does have some new information for
your deliberation.
[30:23] Yes, you. So, by August 7th, you will be
sending me for like dollar
[30:27] recommendations for all of those three
money categories.
[30:32] » But this year,
it's
[30:36] » like if they ask for $20,000, they have
we have to say yes to them getting
[30:40] $20,000 like whatever.
>> That's correct.
[30:44] » So, they're only eligible for that
amount that they requested. Yeah. So if
[30:48] they ask for 20, we can't give them
eight.
[30:50] » Yeah. Okay.
>> So it's more of a yes, no last year.
[30:55] » So yeah, it's not really dollar. It's
>> Yeah,
[30:58] » that was confusing, but yes.
>> So you send your your recommendations
[31:01] for organ receiving organizations for
each category.
[31:05] » Great.
[31:09] » Works. Yes.
>> Big chunks.
[31:12] » We're not averaging anything out.
>> Yeah. Jamie has a question.
[31:17] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, I was hoping you could take us
[31:19] through how that night's going to work.
And where I'm going with this is
[31:23] if we're just up and down voting and and
majority whoever whatever three
[31:29] organizations get the most at 20,000
win. Um
[31:34] I would like to facilitate conversation
now about some of these applications or
[31:39] if there will be time for that
>> next month. I mean,
[31:43] » I just I don't I before I'm sorry.
Before people
[31:46] » vote and say love this, I don't like
this.
[31:50] » I think there's there's nuance and
conversation. I'm curious if there will
[31:54] be an opportunity for that before
decision. [clears throat]
[31:57] » Yeah, I don't think we'd fully landed on
what that will look like next month to
[32:03] be honest. I think what generally what I
had envisioned, what staff had talked
[32:06] about was tallying up the votes and
doing a simple
[32:12] I don't know what is that. It's like a a
bracket. You know, it's you advance
[32:16] whoever gets the most recommendations
with room for discussion at the August
[32:22] meeting.
>> Yeah, we had we had we had planned to
[32:26] build in discussion time in each in each
of the the grant areas because we know
[32:31] that there will be some conversation
about individual grants and also sort
[32:36] since this is the first time we've read
this exact format. uh you know just
[32:40] exactly how the mechanics should work
too but we definitely we're planning to
[32:43] build in and we've been bringing this to
leadership for our next meeting. Um but
[32:48] plan was to have each one of those three
grant categories um with the the
[32:54] spreadsheet as Ann was saying and then
discussion about them. We assume that
[32:57] there will be some back and forth among
board members to uh unless you unless
[33:01] you all pick the exact same um applicant
recipients which we didn't think was
[33:06] super likely. [laughter]
>> Yeah, I honestly think the mechanics of
[33:10] it will sort of depend on what the vote
distribution looks like. You know, if
[33:14] there's a bunch of ones that get equal
votes, then of course
[33:19] I don't I don't actually know what
that's going to look like yet. But if
[33:23] people have recommendations or thoughts
on that, maybe we should talk about that
[33:26] now.
Okay,
[33:27] » we we definitely were building in
discussion time.
[33:29] » I I just would like an opportunity to
change my mind if someone offers a
[33:33] compelling
>> reason one should or shouldn't receive
[33:38] funding.
>> Yeah, we we assume that there would
[33:41] the votes that are sent into Anna would
be people's initial thoughts very well.
[33:46] So they're not set in stone
to you is I think the assurance that
[33:51] we're seeking as a start.
>> Cool. Perfect.
[33:55] » That definitely changed my mind.
>> Yeah.
[33:58] Well, and I think too, as we've
discovered in past years, a lot of times
[34:01] there are um things that people bring to
the table that they either know from
[34:05] outside of just that, you know, binder
and that um scoreeet or they've gone
[34:11] down the rabbit hole of doing some
research on their own because I know we
[34:14] have a lot of very research driven folks
here. Um so, it does um lend itself. I
[34:20] think the starting point is that that
score and then of course you know
[34:25] comments discussion from there to kind
of see where we end up.
[34:32] I
>> mean I I agree because like basically
[34:34] have you know it being three four or
five you know 20,000 8,000 2,000 you may
[34:40] have people that are just out. One of
the questions I have is in past years I
[34:45] know stadium funding is not a thing
anymore. Is there are there other like
[34:50] is there other funding vehicles that
we've had in past years that we've kind
[34:54] of directed? Nothing.
>> Not that I know of.
[34:57] » Yeah, we don't think so. We don't we
think the two the two that we had in the
[35:01] past two years were the stadium funding
and local partnership. Um most of them
[35:05] went into stadium funding because they
were youth oriented type of type of
[35:09] programming. I doubt there will be a lot
of opportunity. We will we'll double
[35:12] check with the CMO and see whether
whether there is any opportunity for for
[35:16] referrals into the local partnership,
but that does tend to be fairly
[35:20] competitive already. We're we're kind of
anticipating we'll just be it will just
[35:24] be our our grant fun this year.
if if we can just for my own greedy
[35:32] purpose. Um I will not be here in August
and
[35:37] » um Becky and Anna have said I could send
in my my vote. Um, the one thing that I
[35:44] have doubts about,
if we can talk about it, is um, the
[35:49] South Suburban, South Plat Park, um, the
museum. And, um, I really want to give
[35:57] that money. I really want them to work
on that nature center.
[36:02] My question is um you know we're giving
tier one to Hudson Gardens which is
[36:09] really South Suburban
>> and South Suburban has a gigantic budget
[36:13] and also like when I read about it it
seemed like because of the new
[36:17] development we should especially do an
upgrade like why why is why are the
[36:24] developers not doing that or or South
Suburban like does anyone have any
[36:29] insight into that one way or the other
like
[36:33] into that grant.
[36:37] » I don't I don't have any insight on it,
but I I think it's a valid question. I I
[36:42] unless I'm forgetting something, I don't
believe in any of the first regrant
[36:46] cycles we've ever had a tier one double
tip.
[36:51] » Yeah.
>> Is that correct? Yeah.
[36:52] » No. And this I don't think this should
be considered necessarily double. There
[36:56] was some conversations or even
applications to whether they were
[36:59] eligible and we we decided they were
because they're not directly receiving
[37:04] any of that one funding for garden.
>> Certainly eligible to apply.
[37:09] » Oh, right. Yeah. But I Yeah, I wouldn't
I wouldn't consider this double dip.
[37:18] » Okay. If anybody does their own research
and comes up with anything, if you could
[37:22] email me or call me
before I vote
[37:27] » because I've definitely wondered about
the whole South Suburban.
[37:29] » Yeah.
>> Their their pockets are so deep. They
[37:32] get so much money. Why are they coming
to us?
[37:37] » Yeah.
>> Why aren't they taking care of their own
[37:39] places?
[37:44] I think just play devil's advocate, the
city's pockets are very deep and yet we
[37:49] fund the library and museum out of tier
one also.
[37:51] » Yeah.
>> So I don't think deep pockets
[37:55] necessarily should exclude you from
receiving a grant.
[38:01] » But we also get to vote for our city
council members and we also get to vote
[38:05] for what the city does.
>> You get to vote for South Suburbs.
[38:07] » They do not send out ballots. You have
to go find a ballot.
[38:11] » I can request them to mail you a ballot.
>> Yeah, that's a different conversation.
[38:14] [laughter]
>> But that's to vote on South
[38:19] my my
>> my funding questions. They go with that.
[38:24] » Um
>> okay. So let's um we don't have tier two
[38:29] on here our agenda. Let's if we have
some of those questions
[38:33] um dig into that with I know we've
already sent you questions but um
[38:39] Michelle you're not going to be here
next month so if you have a statement or
[38:41] something that you want Anna to bring to
the meeting for us I think that that
[38:44] would be
>> good for us if you wanted to send it I
[38:48] think that we could do that. Um also
because this is the first time we're
[38:52] doing this type of um
grant process for tier 2. It's new to
[38:59] us. this might take some extra
conversation. So, just be prepared for
[39:02] that. And I think that that's, you know,
one of the great things about all of
[39:06] these great conversations that we've had
over the years. We've um dug into these,
[39:10] we've all been collaborative, and we've
all really just [snorts] wanted to come
[39:14] to the best consensus. So, I think if we
come in with that mindset, ready to
[39:18] discuss, having those questions,
Michelle, I know you can't be here, but
[39:21] if you have some of those, um, you know,
we'd like to also be able to have those
[39:26] come up in that conversation. I think
it's important to do that. Um, we can go
[39:31] through all of that when we get to tier
two.
[39:35] » Denise, I think too that since there's
been some conversation about some things
[39:38] that we we hadn't really anticipated, if
there are questions, even though we're
[39:41] past that first deadline that Ann had,
if there are some questions where you'd
[39:45] like staff to try to do again and do a
little research on something that I
[39:47] think that's still fine. We'll we'll do
our best. I don't know if we'll be able
[39:50] to find anything or not.
>> Sooner rather than later.
[39:52] » Sooner rather than later would be
helpful. Yeah.
[39:54] » Thanks.
>> Okay.
[39:56] » And I'll On those same notes, I I would
like
[40:01] since we're being asked to evaluate and
adjudicate grants before we meet again
[40:06] and have a conversation.
Um, these questions and answers are very
[40:10] helpful, but I do think it's important
to note that some organizations were
[40:14] asked questions and did not respond. And
that's why it's important to pick up the
[40:18] last two. But
>> there is one organization
[40:20] » and to me that's
>> worth all of you knowing because it
[40:24] indicates that they were not as engaged.
They're not as invested. They're not as
[40:28] eager to get this money as those that
did respond.
[40:32] » And
>> and that's in the packet. It's included
[40:34] and it says they did not respond.
>> Thank you.
[40:36] » Yeah.
>> I didn't I haven't picked up any money
[40:39] yet.
>> Art elements.
[40:41] » Oh,
another quick update too, just so you
[40:45] all know. um all of the those 2025 end
of year reports with that grant
[40:51] extension are all now compliant. So
anything in that 2025 column that hadn't
[40:57] yet been checked for the end of year
report has now submitted.
[41:02] » So love that
>> if that factors into your decision-
[41:04] making process at all there's
one's everyone's done their homework.
[41:10] [laughter]
>> That's great.
[41:13] » Okay. So get ready again to that for
next month. Um
[41:19] round table.
Can we start with you? Sure. [laughter]
[41:24] » Um June was fun because it was pride
month. Um Littleton Q hosted a little
[41:32] like pride picnic. Um and we had like 40
people come and join us and we had a
[41:37] lovely time. Um and
we are launched the pride planning
[41:47] committee for um Big Fried Littleton in
October and our
[41:54] gala is a week from Saturday. Um there
are still tickets available if anybody
[42:00] is interested in coming and I can give
you a discount code if you'd like.
[42:05] [laughter]
[42:07] Um,
oh, and I we um
[42:11] I t Littleton Q tabled at the block
party, so I actually didn't end up
[42:15] walking around, but it was a really fun
night for I ran into a few of you there.
[42:20] Um, it was very busy. There were lots of
people, and it was very fun.
[42:27] » Yeah. Uh, I I told Denise um it was
awesome. My daughter was in um they did
[42:34] they opened up a third night or third
day um of The Little Mermaid. So they
[42:40] had Friday, Saturday, Sunday show. It's
amazing to watch that little nugget um
[42:45] take to something I would have never
expected her to do. Um and but some of
[42:49] the kids are just absolutely phenomenal.
Um it's impressive to watch. I'm so I'm
[42:54] so proud to have something like that so
close to home. Um went to Littleton
[42:58] Block Party. That was absolutely
amazing. I saw you a couple different
[43:02] times. Um I was curious if so ovations
next month.
[43:09] Are we going to get tables at all for
that or is that a thing?
[43:16] » Good question. No, no one no one has
asked us about it. So,
[43:19] » okay. I'm gonna I mean I'm going to get
tickets regardless, but I was just
[43:22] curious if anybody needs
>> I recall a conversation maybe a couple
[43:27] years ago where the number of events and
gallas and everything else was growing
[43:33] to the point where it was hard for the
arts and culture board officially to
[43:38] pick and choose favorites.
>> Got it.
[43:40] » We didn't fill our table last time
last year.
[43:44] » And we didn't fill our table last year
either. So yeah, thanks Jimmy. I forgot
[43:48] about that. But you're right. That was
the conversation. It's busy keeping the
[43:52] check.
>> That's all I had. Thank you.
[43:56] » I don't know. I know I've been to stuff,
but I can't think of anything [laughter]
[43:59] right now. I I feel pressure, but no.
[clears throat]
[44:04] » I do have a quick quick one.
>> Um, our our Q3 culture and arts partners
[44:09] group meeting is August 12th, Wednesday.
For all of us working folks, it's hard
[44:16] because it's breakfast 8 to 10. But if
you can't make it, it's at the museum.
[44:19] Thank you for hosting us
>> at the library.
[44:21] » I'm at the library. That's what I meant.
[laughter]
[44:23] » I heard what she meant what she said.
>> They're in walking distance. If you mess
[44:27] up the time, [laughter]
>> you'll find your way. It's fine.
[44:31] » It's a quick.
>> And if you haven't yet, um, make sure
[44:35] you sign the card for Kate. She's not
here tonight.
[44:38] » I got stuck with [laughter]
you at the end of the line.
[44:46] Um yeah, same. Uh I've been watching way
too much um boys soccer and watching the
[44:52] art form of the flop. [laughter]
>> So really there are dramatic classes for
[45:00] that [laughter]
and um they're way too good at it. So,
[45:06] you know, [laughter]
>> go retire
[45:09] go
>> play with the um NBA also. [laughter]
[45:17] » Um my thing is in Denver, not Littleton,
but I'm teaching it, so it feels
[45:23] applicable. But [laughter] um I'm doing
a workshop at a craft cafe called Good
[45:27] Practice in Jefferson Park um in on
August 22nd.
[45:33] Might be the 23rd. It's that Saturday.
Um, but I am the editor of a newspaper
[45:39] full of good news and we're going to use
the newspapers to make a blackout and
[45:43] collage poetry. So
>> Oh, fun.
[45:45] » If you're interested.
>> Very cool.
[45:46] » Yeah.
>> Cool.
[45:50] » And to you, Tim.
>> Oh, well, I was going to say, as some
[45:53] some of you guys have noted, I was at
the block party. Um, JD recommended me a
[45:57] few months ago to help the LDDS choose
the live entertainment. So I helped
[46:01] choose the seven bands with a couple
other people from there and then as we
[46:05] all know as board members loves free
labor. So they promoted me to [laughter]
[46:13] » I was down there for eight hours two
hours for chaos.
[46:18] » Very yeah I don't know why they they
didn't start loading people in until two
[46:21] hours before the event and that was not
enough time.
[46:24] » So and I had a volunteer shirt and a
walkie-talkie. So the number of people
[46:28] running up to me saying what do I do?
what do I do? And I'm like, he didn't
[46:32] train me. He gave me a walkie-talkie on
the street. Yeah.
[46:36] » But it all worked out fine. We had one
power outage with that 80s band right
[46:40] before they were going to end one of
their sets, so it wasn't a big deal. And
[46:43] then everything else went on without a
hitch, so it was it was great. It was a
[46:47] lot of fun. It was exhausting, but it
was a lot of fun. You got a shirt and a
[46:51] walk. I WAS
[laughter] like two shifts of
[46:55] volunteers, and the second one just
never showed up. Three people were just
[47:00] not there. But by then everything was
kind of flowing.
[47:03] » One of them kept texting me [laughter]
first. They told us to do a group chat
[47:07] and then like I did to the second group
and one of the three people who were
[47:12] signed up immediately texted stop. And
I'm like [laughter] okay
[47:18] not spam text but okay. And then another
one kept texting saying I'm here. I'm
[47:22] here. And I'm like I'm right behind town
hall. I'm waiting for you in the alley.
[47:26] Never show up.
>> Wow. So, but it was okay by then. It was
[47:29] a lot [laughter] of fun. And also,
>> oh, thank you. And I think uh we're
[47:32] probably going to check out Illuminate
Little Pin in a couple see what that's
[47:36] about because that's a brand new one,
right?
[47:38] » Yeah. First year.
>> Um but I'm not volunteering. I'm not
[47:41] working. [laughter]
I'll be there 10 minutes and then I'm
[47:43] out.
>> So, anybody that needs help [laughter]
[47:51] loves to volunteer.
>> We'll have a drink. Well, [laughter]
[47:53] » perfect. This time I can't. Well, I
don't have much, but I do want to say um
[47:58] the library has some cool adult programs
to go to as well. So, there's some art
[48:03] focused on if you want to go get crafty
um and go do some of those. And I also
[48:07] really appreciate that you allow the
adults an extra month to read. Thank you
[48:11] very much. Because I haven't been able
to read as much lately as I wanted to.
[48:15] » Parents are busy in the summer.
>> They are busy. But if you It's a bingo
[48:18] card. So, if you are an adult reader, it
is really cool because it's a bingo card
[48:22] and then you get entered into a drawing
and if you get a blackout, you get five
[48:26] extra five extra, I think, um, entries
into the drawing. But, it's cool because
[48:30] they actually put out books and videos
that go along with all of the boxes on
[48:35] your bingo card. They make it super
easy. So, if you need a book with a
[48:38] flower, they have a display with books
[laughter] with flowers on them. I am so
[48:41] impressed. They do a great job. So, I
just wanted to plug um that because I
[48:45] have been really enjoying that this
summer. Um, and that's all I have.
[48:49] How about you?
>> Um,
[48:52] recalling that we didn't meet in June,
figuring out everything I've done for
[48:57] the last two months is a lot, but I
stopped trying. Um, but it was end of
[49:01] the season for everybody. So, Avenue Q,
Symphony Orchestra, Voices West. Um, and
[49:07] then July 4th season, Hudson Gardens did
a great job. If I don't know if anyone
[49:11] else was there, but 3,500 people I think
is what they figured. Was that red,
[49:16] white, red, white, and you?
>> Red, white, and I forget. Red, white,
[49:20] and rock.
>> White and rock, I think.
[49:21] » Yeah, white and rock.
>> It's hard to It's a lot of
[49:25] [laughter]
[49:28] » um and then a lot of kids theater, my
daughter's in shows, and I forget when
[49:32] the ballet was, if that was before or
after our May meeting, but I went to
[49:36] that.
>> That was after. Yeah. Um, and now just
[49:39] gearing up for the launch of September
and the kickoff of the new seasons. I
[49:43] will say that uh Katie and I have been
working uh with Alexandria and the
[49:48] Illuminate event to host a walking an
art walk
[49:53] » where different artists will be featured
in stores throughout downtown.
[49:58] » So
[50:02] » that's cool, too.
>> Are they going to be creating or just
[50:04] presenting their work?
>> Just presenting.
[50:05] » Cool, though. That's I neglected to
mention the boards and commissions
[50:10] dinner was really great. It
>> is [laughter]
[50:16] » and we
definitely were the best.
[50:19] » We are the best.
>> Please.
[50:21] » Yeah. [laughter]
>> Showed up and demonstrated very well. We
[50:25] may not be invited back.
>> [laughter]
[50:28] » Mike was nothing but enthusiastic about
how the the arts and culture board set
[50:32] the tone for the entire evening
[laughter] and set the bar too high for
[50:36] any other board to uh
>> they were all so shy to stand up. I was
[50:40] like come on. [laughter]
>> You guys definitely if there would have
[50:45] taken
[clears throat]
[50:49] well you guys thank you. This is
>> 7
[50:55] 21 officially. Um, we will go ahead and
adjourn. I appreciate all of you. Get
[51:01] all of your stuff ready for next month
and five o'clock next month. Don't
[51:05] forget it's an early start time.
>> Thank you everyone.
[51:09] » Thank you.