1 00:00:10,220 --> 00:00:39,620 So thanks everyone for joining. I appreciate you making time to come in for the hybrid reading and my thank you for joining us remotely. We can start with just the roll call. We do have a quorum. We have Matthew, Susan, Mark, myself, Mike, joining remotely. And before we jump into our formal agenda, Mike just wanted to formally welcome you to the affordable housing trust. And we're all looking forward to working with you and having you participate here at us. So welcome. Thank you. 2 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:50,380 So we obviously see the agenda from Sophia, and the first item on the agenda is LRAP, 3 00:00:50,620 --> 00:00:54,760 rental assistance program. Amy got in touch with us, she doesn't have any new applications, 4 00:00:54,860 --> 00:01:02,140 nothing to renew, so we don't need to cover that. But we do have a guest here, Tom Harrington 5 00:01:02,140 --> 00:01:08,780 is joining us, so I think we can make that next on the agenda, and Marry maybe if you want to give 6 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:11,640 I'm sure we'll hear that would be great. 7 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Yep, that sounds good. 8 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:14,700 A little bit of background. 9 00:01:15,220 --> 00:01:20,180 Obviously, we had the first draft of the RFP 10 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:24,040 from Laura Shuffle that I met HP. 11 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,840 Set that off to town council for review. 12 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:29,520 It came back with quite a few compliments. 13 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:34,160 I've tackled some of them and then Tom had some 14 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:39,020 wanted to share his experience with long term leases 15 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:41,300 in other communities. Great. 16 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:49,320 Take it away. Please. Thank you, Marin. Thank you, everybody. It's 17 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,660 nice to be with you. Tom Harrington, town council. So as Marin said, you know, we've been looking at 18 00:01:55,660 --> 00:02:02,900 the RFP and we made some comments and I also had a discussion with Jim Duggan and we were kind of 19 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:08,500 just generally talking about the project and I talked about some of my experience in other towns and he 20 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:14,900 He said, I should invite myself to your meeting and share them just so you can consider them 21 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:19,760 as you move forward, so to begin with, thank you for having me. 22 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:28,820 So I guess I'd like to start with, so 99 year leases, which is I think the current proposal, 23 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:34,040 you know, they have their strengths and they have their weaknesses. 24 00:02:35,060 --> 00:02:44,840 And I'm wondering if the trust has thought about kind of why they, you know, are you committed to a 99-year lease? 25 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:49,620 And if so, that's fine and we'll make our best recommendations. 26 00:02:49,940 --> 00:02:59,760 But I thought I'd start with, have you thought about selling it versus leasing the 99-year lease and why did you land on the 99-year lease? 27 00:02:59,760 --> 00:02:59,960 Yes. 28 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:08,580 I guess just to ensure that we were well with the recommendation from MHP from Laura 29 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:09,460 who was helping us. 30 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,420 I think that I'll look to the trust here, but I think we're certainly open to considering 31 00:03:14,420 --> 00:03:14,900 the sale. 32 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:18,000 We're certainly not locked into that and we welcome your input. 33 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:25,720 So why don't I just share what I kind of see as the strengths and weaknesses of the 99-year 34 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,580 lease and then you can make the decision kind of based on that. 35 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:41,660 So, a 99-year lease, I think, benefits from the fact that a developer would not have to put up the money or get financing to buy the law. 36 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:58,500 So, I think one of its most significant strengths is the idea that it allows a developer, you know, makes them a little more nimble and a little more able to finance the project. 37 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:00,820 without having to come up with the money first. 38 00:04:02,860 --> 00:04:09,620 And if that's a concern, and I think it's important to think about that, 39 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,700 kind of as you go into it, do we have a sense of who might be interested 40 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,920 in bidding on this project and what's their financial capability? 41 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:27,840 And if finances are going to be an issue for kind of the ideal developer, 42 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:33,800 the developer, we envision working on a project like this. Are there other ways to solve that problem? 43 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:40,820 You know, as an affordable housing trust, you can mortgage the property yourself. So you could 44 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:47,880 kind of service the bank without the idea of a lease. And again, you know, there's no set way. 45 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:57,820 I just think it's important to understand kind of what you're getting yourself into so that you 46 00:04:57,820 --> 00:05:02,980 you should consider whether you know finances are going to be a problem and how we want to tackle that. 47 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,160 If you want to maintain some level of control over the property, 48 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,980 then the lease is a good way to do that. And we should think about what should go into the lease 49 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:22,300 to make that work. And so I'll I'll tell you that in another community we have a 99-year lease on a 50 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:37,520 facility that's, I think it's like a 10 unit facility for people with various physical 51 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:46,540 needs, and so there's been kind of a Yin Yang to it, in that the operator doesn't always 52 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:53,040 operate the way the town would like and the affordable housing trust finds itself in 53 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:59,320 the position of people coming to them saying you know it's not going the way we want 54 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:05,280 it to go or you know it's not being repaired or not being operated and so then the affordable 55 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:10,400 housing trust finds itself in the position of trying to enforce provisions in the lease 56 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,640 and I will tell you the lease, 57 00:06:15,660 --> 00:06:18,400 you know, some of the things that they work to 58 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,560 enforce were not necessarily considered in the lease or are obvious in the 59 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:28,660 lease. So you should consider, do you want to play an active role in this 60 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:33,140 project going forward? You know, and that could be in one year, five years, ten 61 00:06:33,140 --> 00:06:39,100 years, fifteen years, or fifty years, for that matter. And if so, then we should 62 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:44,340 make sure the lease reflects that. But if not, then we should also consider that because 63 00:06:44,340 --> 00:06:54,080 it's, I think on some levels, it's more than, sometimes it can be more than what, you 64 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,060 know, the current version of the Affordable Trust signed up for, you know, they're thinking 65 00:06:58,060 --> 00:07:05,400 about the next project, not so much going back and working on an old project. So I think 66 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,660 it's important to think about it from that perspective too. 67 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,980 And if you, you know, if this is, 68 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:19,520 if you're more of a mind to, you know, we want this built, let's get it out, you know, 69 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,140 let's get the RFP on the street. That's a worthy RFP. Let's get something built and let's get it 70 00:07:24,740 --> 00:07:29,560 occupied. But you don't want to play that role. I think it's important to think about that now 71 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:37,220 because a 99 year lease is a lease for 99 years, so you're signing up to be a 72 00:07:37,220 --> 00:07:46,300 landlord for 99 years. And we don't have a lot of evidence because these are 73 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:50,680 not, you know, these were not constructed. 99 year leases for affordable housing 74 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:56,060 weren't constructed 50 or 60 years ago so much. It's a much more recent thing, but, 75 00:07:56,060 --> 00:08:03,000 that, you know, 50 years will pass and it will be something that that version of the affordable 76 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,000 housing trust will have to deal with if, you know, the buildings need to be rebuilt 77 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:15,660 or they stop operating or the like. So, this is so, that kind of, I'm going to stop there. 78 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:26,040 That's basically kind of the thought process. I want you to be thinking about, if we're 79 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:36,940 Because that'll depend on how we draft the lease and if you don't want to do that, maybe a sale is the better way forward because I will tell you kind of generally 80 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:45,820 Towns don't play the landlord role beautifully because of things like open meeting, you know 81 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:51,300 It's not like someone can make a decision Tuesday at 10 without an agenda post it. So, you know 82 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:55,140 And that really has been my experience of that. 83 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,460 I recognize that voice. 84 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:09,320 Anyway, so I'm going to stop there and happy to take any questions, or you guys can think about it 85 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,920 and we can circle back later. But I just wanted to plant that seed that it's 86 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:19,540 just because MHP suggests it does not mean it's necessarily the best idea for little time. 87 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,760 You know, thank you. That's really, really helpful. 88 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:25,280 I've been official information for us. 89 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:28,120 I'd like to input from the other of the trustees here, 90 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,500 but I don't think that we want to sign 91 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:34,700 up for any role in, you know, property management, right, 92 00:09:34,940 --> 00:09:38,200 or even remotely as an escalation path, right, 93 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:40,180 if things aren't going according to plan. 94 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:43,480 So this is, I think this is really important for us 95 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:43,960 to consider. 96 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:48,280 My guess is that MHP may have proposed this 97 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,920 because I think we want to make sure the developers are interested, right? 98 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:58,020 There are a lot of challenging aspects to this property, and we want to make sure that 99 00:09:58,020 --> 00:10:02,760 people will actually, you know, submit proposals to us. 100 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:11,040 But this may be something that we go back and really suggest changing this to a set. 101 00:10:11,340 --> 00:10:11,940 What does that one think? 102 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,660 I was going to say if financial considerations are part of it, don't we have the option of 103 00:10:17,660 --> 00:10:24,800 selling the lot for a hundred dollars, we are bound by any assessed value requirements 104 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,260 or anything. 105 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:25,820 Is that correct? 106 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:26,680 That's correct. 107 00:10:27,260 --> 00:10:27,520 Okay. 108 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,640 So, I don't think that should be taken into consideration at all. 109 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,240 I don't think we got it for a dollar, there's no reason we're trying to make money on it. 110 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:41,820 The financial stuff should be taken out of the equation, and I think it has been amply demonstrated 111 00:10:41,820 --> 00:10:45,720 that we are terrible landlords and should not think that it's an error. 112 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:48,060 I'm going to the previous board. 113 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:58,300 I will tell you that I was on the phone with MHP this morning, another client, another 114 00:10:58,300 --> 00:10:58,660 matter. 115 00:10:58,860 --> 00:11:02,300 But I said, I just said, hey, you know, I'm talking to a trust tonight. 116 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:09,880 And I know this is kind of your standard advice, and I just asked him to expand on it a little 117 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:17,040 But and so that and what I got back was that two things one, it does make it more 118 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,080 Attractive to a developer and I think they were thinking about this, you know, sale 119 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,780 Why don't I have to come up with the money to buy the land? I'm gonna have lease payments 120 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:32,340 They're gonna be spread out. They're probably gonna be low. So I don't have to worry about that and 121 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:36,920 The other point they raised is often times in communities 122 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,460 it's a softer approach because we're not selling the land. You know at some 123 00:11:44,460 --> 00:11:48,580 point in time we'll get it back and maybe you know maybe the town likes that 124 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:54,860 idea and but that was kind of that was the thinking and so and I didn't feel 125 00:11:54,860 --> 00:12:00,880 like you know they were just as they don't think selling it is a bad idea that 126 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,540 was you know it's I think that's what they're seeing out there but I don't think 127 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:13,480 I think if you said, hey, I think we're going to sell it versus 99 year lease, I think they'd say, 128 00:12:13,580 --> 00:12:15,020 well, if you thought about it, that's fine. 129 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:21,980 I think, you know, to your latter point, I think that if this was an orchard, it would be more, 130 00:12:22,020 --> 00:12:24,380 there'd be more for human cry if we tried to sell it. 131 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Yeah. 132 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:27,680 I'm not sure that this is going to be the same political hot potato. 133 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:28,320 Yeah. 134 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:29,600 And it doesn't require... 135 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:30,480 What's that? 136 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:31,960 It just requires a lot of our vote. 137 00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:33,000 It doesn't put the time meeting. 138 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:33,820 That's right. 139 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:37,600 you're on it? Yeah, you have the authority to sell it on your own. 140 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:42,040 Oh, we had to do we have to go to town meeting for the RFC, J.S.U.D.R. thing. 141 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:45,220 No, we don't have to go to the town meeting for any time. Then never mind, yeah. 142 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,360 The point about the archive is still valid though, you know, it's not going to hold us up, 143 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:56,260 but I think your point is valid though, I'm based on the recent 144 00:12:56,260 --> 00:13:03,800 complaining guide about the appearance. I think that probably just the neighbors will be happy to have 145 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:10,160 So, I'm not opposed to selling it at all, so if we sell it and we wanted to do something 146 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:15,720 to preserve the network control over the bar, we can do that through a historical preservation 147 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,920 restriction on the bar, that's the approach we're going to do. 148 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:31,260 The other question I have is if we're going to be in for some money to support a developer 149 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:36,400 on this project, like we are with Habitat for, no, if they're going for any 150 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:43,820 Zellite Tech credits, we have to give them money, right, basically, and it would be nice if the cost of the land, 151 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:50,380 even if we gave it to them for nothing, the land's value to, you know, half a million dollars, whatever it is, 152 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,820 is somehow we could count that. That's a contribution to Zellite Tech, and I don't know what that works, do you know, 153 00:13:56,820 --> 00:14:06,140 anything along those lines? So is this as far as tax credits? Yeah so all part of the tax credits 154 00:14:06,140 --> 00:14:15,220 the low income, low income tax, I can try to get that answer for you but I don't know it. 155 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:21,880 Or if there's a way we can word the RFP so that effectively they're paying for the land but 156 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,480 that were basically given the money back to them. 157 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:29,620 Yeah, let's think about something like that. 158 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,640 And if we can even take a mortgage for $500,000 on it, 159 00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:39,580 and we can forgive it once things are constructed in a timely fashion. 160 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:46,040 So I think there's ways to use that approach to keep the pressure on them, 161 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,700 to build the project quickly. 162 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:54,520 and, you know, and wealth, so they're not dragging it out, and then there's a 163 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,200 carrot at the end with a mortgage forgiveness. 164 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:30,080 You know, more of the cost that we would be enforced, the cost of the land. And, you know, I'm sure we're going for more than that, but if it's mainly the land, then that's a, I think that's a good deal for us. I just don't know how to work that into the RFP. Yeah, let me, let me think about it and talk to Jenny about it. And we'll get back to with some ideas. We could also actually to use examples of that, that language and RFPs. Shelley from MHP. Yeah. Good idea. 165 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:39,180 Susan, what do you think? I think all of those are good. We're not landlords. You know that. 166 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:44,920 Okay, good. And it looks like Barlett, you've joined here. Do you have thoughts on this topic? 167 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:52,220 Well, I certainly agree that if we don't want to be landlords, I was sort of wondering how, I mean, 168 00:15:52,220 --> 00:16:00,960 And if we do a lease, then whoever is leasing it is the deal is that they have to do the 169 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,340 housing. 170 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,560 I just wonder in how much the town would ever be involved. 171 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:14,600 And what kind of scenario would there be for us to come back and try to force something 172 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,240 to happen with the person with the lease? 173 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:27,660 So my experience in other communities is you know it can range from the property isn't 174 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:34,920 being properly maintained and this is a you know this is kind of a rental situation 175 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:42,980 but the property isn't being properly maintained there's problems with the septic system upgrades 176 00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:51,060 trades need to be made. And so the town in that instance just found themselves in kind 177 00:16:51,060 --> 00:17:00,520 of in this rolling enforcement cycle. And it, you know, it working with a lease that 178 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:09,180 did not necessarily think about an enforcement role. But so as you know, I'm sure, you 179 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:15,600 know, a 99-year lease is loaded with boilerplate so that you, so there's a lot in there and you 180 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,040 can find ways to use it to your advantage if you need to. 181 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:23,320 But it was just, it was arduous, 182 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:31,520 it was just, you know, kind of, they, it's as if, well, it's not, it's as if. They found a, they found 183 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,560 someone who could help and they kept going back to that source and it was just hearing after hearing 184 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,340 after hearing. And it became, I think it became very difficult. 185 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,500 So question from Warren, if the reporting requirements or anything get more complicated 186 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:55,700 on a sale versus at the town on the lease, for the SSHI or anything, we just have to have 187 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:59,220 the restriction more formal than we potentially. 188 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,760 I think it's all the same. 189 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:09,600 pretty much the same. Yeah. Yeah. The Jenny had what we've heard or write a 190 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:15,320 revertor on the sale to a habitat, so I would imagine the similar. If it 191 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,680 doesn't go forward as expected, but they'll let you report. No, I meant like once 192 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,100 it's built in all these units, there's supposed to be affordable, how are we 193 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:26,760 enforcing that they're affordable, affordable, if we're not in the middle of 194 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:32,760 process. So there will be a deed restriction. 195 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,980 Or we don't necessarily need the deed restriction 196 00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:50,740 if we were in. It doesn't change that. Okay. Okay. Okay. If there is funding, 197 00:18:54,140 --> 00:18:58,500 for example, 198 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:02,140 that particular funding process, 199 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,920 we put the monitoring on somebody else other than that. 200 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,060 Okay. 201 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,180 Mike, did you have any thoughts in the monitoring chair? 202 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:16,540 Yeah, I guess my only question is, 203 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:22,400 is there an enforcement process for the logistics 204 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,320 in terms of who handles the septic and who do you go to 205 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,860 if the paint is peeling? 206 00:19:30,420 --> 00:19:36,080 If we're saying it's sort of not, you know, we're not going to be good at doing that. 207 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,160 But what is there a pathway there to do that? 208 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:47,200 So there's, you know, if it rises to the level of a building code violation or a Board of 209 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,000 Health Title V violation, right? 210 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:54,320 So they still need to comply with all the local and state rules and regs. 211 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:00,440 But for something like paint peeling it would be the market 212 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:08,080 So we but I mean there'd be a pathway for someone living there to go to 213 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,460 Essentially be the same path if they were renting a 214 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:14,900 Just a mainstream property exactly. Yeah, okay 215 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:25,060 So I think that we will move more than and make those changes 216 00:20:25,060 --> 00:20:27,240 is Tom, you said you would give some thought to the language. 217 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:29,540 I can go back to Shelley and ask her. 218 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:30,660 She has examples of language. 219 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,080 And one other question for Tom, if we are selling a property, 220 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:37,160 I know like the septic considered, like, 221 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,640 use of the conservation property next to it. 222 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,940 If the town doesn't own both properties now, 223 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,360 does that change any load, septic, or anything like that? 224 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:52,080 Yeah, we'll have to, I think, put the right easements in place. 225 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:53,520 OK. 226 00:20:58,140 --> 00:20:59,300 We'll think about all that. 227 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,940 Tom, is there anything else that you wanted to discuss with us tonight, or is that the... 228 00:21:06,940 --> 00:21:08,540 No, that was it. 229 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,600 That was it. 230 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,140 Right. 231 00:21:11,780 --> 00:21:12,480 Well, thank you. 232 00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:14,200 I guess this is really helpful. 233 00:21:14,860 --> 00:21:17,680 And I think this is a good direction for us to take. 234 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:19,700 So I hope that you are handling this for us. 235 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:21,160 So if we're going for the sale, 236 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:26,740 is that your office is taking, going to convert the RFP into a sale RFP? 237 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:27,900 or are we going back to that? 238 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,900 Yeah, I think we're kind of doing two parallel tracks. 239 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,100 We're going to work on it, but you're also 240 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:38,880 going to go to MHP and if you can find some examples 241 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,200 so that we get the best ideas possible. 242 00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:47,100 Yeah, I'm going to just reach out to see if we need any help. 243 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920 So I'll just respond to her and ask her about this. 244 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:49,400 OK. 245 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:50,720 Great. 246 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:52,500 Thank you. 247 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:55,060 And thank you for letting me barge in on such short notice. 248 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:59,620 I really appreciate it. Oh, we appreciate you talking on. So thank you so much. Oh, I'm 249 00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:01,300 lovely to see you, Tom. You too. 250 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:07,400 Okay, thank you. Bye tonight. Thanks. 251 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:11,630 So actually, so Mark, 252 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:18,610 I looked up the the question about donating the land on it with my AI. So it is actually 253 00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:25,830 incredibly good. It's there's two scoring categories. One is documented local support, 254 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:29,910 and so a big value would obviously increase in that category. 255 00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:38,690 The other one is that it reduces the amount of debt or equity gap that the grants need to fill. 256 00:22:39,290 --> 00:22:40,410 So that's good. 257 00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:47,830 And the best thing is that it doesn't hit the basis of the property that credits are calculated on. 258 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:52,110 So the basis of the credits is based on the building, not the land. 259 00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:53,950 So even if we done it, it doesn't. 260 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:58,690 So it's all around just a really good thing to give the developer a cheap land. 261 00:22:59,510 --> 00:23:00,170 Perfect. Good. 262 00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:01,870 That sounds good. 263 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,660 Anything else you want to discuss about the Dirty R&S project? 264 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:17,240 So we got all the comments from Jenny Merrill in Tom's office on the draft RFP. 265 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,060 I've been working on addressing those that I can so far. 266 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,940 I love it more. 267 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,080 I hit the fan. 268 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,140 So that fits. 269 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,960 I'll keep working continue working with town council to get that square away. 270 00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:35,260 And hopefully again, some of that. 271 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,340 Yeah, I was wondering how the binder got to 130 pages. 272 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,180 But I guess that's why it's a lot too much left to get through. 273 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:43,940 So thank you. 274 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,840 Yeah, well, most of that was the, just the standard backup. 275 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:50,460 Yeah. 276 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:50,960 With that, yeah. 277 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,720 23 pages of document. 278 00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:53,620 Okay. 279 00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:54,400 So, all right. 280 00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:59,500 So, I'm just wondering what do we have to wait on like our next meeting to approve the RPR, 281 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:04,020 where we pretty much give Mary and permission to approve the RPR for my thing. 282 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:04,300 Great. 283 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,100 I think, Tom. 284 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:07,260 I'm just wondering what? 285 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,420 That's a good idea to authorize the, the chair to issue. 286 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:19,200 We did that. Okay. Yeah, I think I have that but it's just matter of when it's 287 00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:22,500 When we're still okay with doing that even more than we change it 288 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:30,360 To from all east to us. You mean not bringing it back to the full board. Yeah, yeah, I mean just I'm just thinking for 289 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,040 Timeliness right because I'd really love to be out from under this project 290 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:42,540 I also think we need some judgment like if it was back with a lot of significant changes that I would like to connect with you 291 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:45,260 But you have the germ, the germ, carogative, 292 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,060 or demanding that you come back. 293 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,560 If all they change is it from a least to a sale, 294 00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:54,240 then I think that's fine. 295 00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:54,680 Okay. 296 00:24:55,180 --> 00:24:56,860 But if there's more to it, then, 297 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,180 and I might choose to go on to write back, 298 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:00,760 I suspect there will be too. 299 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,460 I don't want to thank you, but we'll find out. 300 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,060 Okay. 301 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Bartlett, anything else that you wanted to highlight about jerky? 302 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:14,060 No, just that the insurance got continued 303 00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:21,080 for another year. A day late and a dollar short but it got continued so. Thank 304 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,320 you. 305 00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:29,910 You should that. Okay. No other. I think you're being highway 306 00:25:29,910 --> 00:25:33,810 went out and lowered. Our work was going to be brought out by trying to re-secure 307 00:25:33,810 --> 00:25:37,250 the building a little more after the neighborhood complaint. The highway department. 308 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:41,730 Okay, good. I haven't followed up that they actually did but I believe they have. 309 00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:42,510 Okay, that would be nice. 310 00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:47,670 The next item is the 87 to how to want. 311 00:25:48,530 --> 00:25:50,310 We do not have an update from Caroline. 312 00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:54,210 We asked her on behalf of Maryland lines, 313 00:25:54,610 --> 00:25:58,030 one of the butters, a question about calling ownership. 314 00:25:58,750 --> 00:26:02,130 Caroline has not got back to us, so we don't need to cover that 315 00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:03,770 on meeting this evening. 316 00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:15,970 next item, MHP conference on June 25th and 26th. So Bartlett-Marx Sophia and I attended the conference 317 00:26:15,970 --> 00:26:20,870 and I thought it was time we'll spend I attended day one, the year when I was attended both days, 318 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:27,450 and Bartlett-Marx do you care to share any observations or anything interesting you want to share 319 00:26:30,530 --> 00:26:36,190 there were some fun stories about you know successful projects but they all seemed to end with 320 00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:44,590 this statement that it took them 20 years to get that full on. So we're in good company there. 321 00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:59,230 Anything else? That was a good conference. I learned something I thought the keynote speaker was good. 322 00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:04,690 I have a copy of, I got a copy of the book because I was one of the first 323 00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:09,250 religious students, so if anyone wants to read it and more than happy to pass it around. 324 00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,650 I thought the present, the talks were really good. 325 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,960 The, yeah, I agree with all these projects take a really long time. 326 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,620 There was a lot of talk about communities that were trying to change their zoning 327 00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:30,680 and improve their housing. 328 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:42,200 I think they said before they update their zoning that 70-some percent of the houses in 329 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,800 Salem are non-conforming, so they were updating their zoning to make most of them conforming. 330 00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:58,960 And I was just on an Auguster day that based on just updating their zoning to make them conforming 331 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,720 they're expecting that that will open up like 8,000 new units that could be built for 332 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:12,240 or affordable. So I went to one that they were talking about different ways of doing tax credits 333 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,580 for development too. So it was all, it was very good. 334 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:21,420 Right. 335 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:27,630 I went to a session on diversity in 336 00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:33,770 housing. It was interesting. It was made up of a few speakers. The main example was from 337 00:28:33,770 --> 00:28:40,230 Brookline, and we're in a very different position than Brookline, right? It's a big town with 338 00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:46,870 a lot of money and a lot of really active participation. And they shared some really interesting ideas 339 00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:51,770 about how they brought more diversity into their housing board. They have an umbrella organization 340 00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:59,290 that sits over affordable housing and housing authority and one other group and they now have 341 00:28:59,290 --> 00:29:05,450 requirements that they have participation from residents of some of their public housing. 342 00:29:05,530 --> 00:29:10,110 What I think the housing authority here does as well, but just talking about how the efforts 343 00:29:10,110 --> 00:29:18,130 that they've made and the different dimensions of diversity. So it's not only socio-economic 344 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:35,430 and ethnic, but also intergenerational, getting all different types of input, and just for the residents that live in our public housing, that it takes more, because the people who participate generally have a lot more on their plate. 345 00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:44,810 They might be working multiple jobs, they might have child care issue, but they make tremendous effort to help these individuals to really be active, 346 00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:48,790 and to get their input on different housing issues. 347 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:53,830 So I thought that was interesting, not as relevant for us. 348 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:57,230 I think that we don't have like a surplus of people that are... 349 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,760 We're applying to these positions, right, so it's not like we can select diversity, but the other thing I think they were referring more to higher, right, for full-time employees. And they said that it's tempting to hire people who have a lot of experience, relative degrees, because housing can be very technical. And they said that we're encouraging people to open up their, you know, their criteria, the hiring criteria so that they can apply to a more diverse pool. So anyway, it was, 350 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,700 It's really interesting if not that relevant for us, but well done as always, it's just 351 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:38,720 good to hear what other communities are working on. 352 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:42,100 Anything else on that? 353 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:44,320 Nope. 354 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:47,540 Okay. 355 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:50,720 Next topic. 356 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,740 Under board business, we have close out small grants program. 357 00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:59,480 So what needs to happen in order for us to close that out? 358 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:09,240 So, yeah, it's working on that now, we're able to spend the full $120,000 within the time frame. 359 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:09,620 Right. 360 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,060 I spent the last reimbursement request to the state just this week. 361 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,880 So, good. 362 00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:21,340 Yeah, we have a final report or anything for the grant. 363 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:29,400 I sent in just a quick summary that included the slides that we had for the presentation. 364 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,900 to take a couple months ago and a few of the photos. 365 00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:35,420 Right, yeah. 366 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,660 It seemed to be going well received. 367 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,540 Nice. 368 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:40,100 Yeah, it was a good program. 369 00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:41,480 It's good I couldn't get my phone in, 370 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,760 but I'm feeling, yeah. 371 00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:49,640 We talked a few months ago about a few of the slides 372 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240 to talk about another way of doing it by phone 373 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:54,360 and then we never really followed up. 374 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,260 So we probably should figure out how that, 375 00:31:56,260 --> 00:32:02,360 But if there are alternatives we can pursue, I don't know, I don't know, people have been 376 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,920 looking into it in town hall or I know I kind of dropped along anything that I was supposed 377 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,260 to do. 378 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:11,260 So maybe in September we should see if we can regain the momentum. 379 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,340 Yeah, and I got me to thinking about some of the other programs that are available to homeowners 380 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:25,280 or maybe it's how it could do or help to highlight some of the other programs that it's 381 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,100 state programs. 382 00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:26,440 Yeah. 383 00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:27,900 Yeah. 384 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:28,580 That's that. 385 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,340 Okay. 386 00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:37,460 Next item is King Street Common, a four-way units. 387 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,080 So there's been some activity. 388 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,920 Bartlett, do you care to share anything from a planning board perspective on the latest 389 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,700 on the HSL project? 390 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,020 Yeah. 391 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,080 Sure. 392 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:58,120 The planning board initially put in the loophole as contract that they were supposed to supply 393 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,240 by 40 deeply affordable senior units. 394 00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:03,680 The LePoly has come back with a partnership 395 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,280 that proposed with Hebrew senior life. 396 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,520 They want to build 86 units on the 410 railroad site, 397 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,100 all of which would be affordable. 398 00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:23,560 Which, I mean, the planning board was very happy 399 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,780 and basically said, what can we do 400 00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:28,820 to make this go faster, to speed this process up. 401 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,820 So there was a sort of a schematic drawing of a building, 402 00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:42,760 which sort of runs the length of the site and back of the 403 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:51,360 buildings on King Street, with parking and, I don't know, 404 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,320 four or five floors. 405 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,900 Some, you know, little roof treatments that go along with foreign 406 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:01,520 based code. 407 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,800 But it, I mean, it was just, it just seemed like the planning board was 408 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:17,360 very happy to get a project proposed to them that does more than what we asked for in terms 409 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:27,300 of affordability. And it's with a partnership that is very well regarded in the state. So it's 410 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,840 just seemed like a wonderful, it was a great meeting. Whoops. 411 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:41,860 Would it be deep-restricted senior? Yeah. Wow. It wasn't like a, like a transition 412 00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:45,080 assisted living, or anything like that, or just apartments. 413 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:52,360 It's not an appendage, but it's more than an apartment building because the base floor 414 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,460 will have a hair salon, they have staff, and it really is, it's a senior community, you 415 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:04,960 know, there's a small shop, they have people, everyone who works through it and the main 416 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,200 is folks are trained on working with seniors, looking for signs of things that might not 417 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,820 be going well. It's all that HSLS is seeing a limit that you have some assisted, that you 418 00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:24,640 have some continuum care, right? But this one would be just deeply affordable. 32-60 percent 419 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:32,920 of AMI is what they proposed. When we had a separate meeting, I think our THM had suggested 420 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:37,740 potentially extending that up to 80 kind of missing middle and something that they look at, 421 00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:44,320 but I think in terms of their ability to get tax credits and funding is a better chance 422 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,140 with a 30 to 60 percent paid mine. 423 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,120 I was impressed with how the progress that they made with the plans at the planning board 424 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,320 meeting on Thursday, again, really well received. 425 00:35:57,220 --> 00:36:04,680 I think that the open topic that's not related to HSL is with the remaining 14 affordable units 426 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,340 is that Napoleon will still owe us, right, $5.50. 427 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,580 So that's still open for discussion, right? 428 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:15,700 We're going to continue work on that. 429 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,700 Yes, and then understanding the views of the planning board, 430 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,380 I imagine that they will ask the project 431 00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:29,080 to move forward as approved with nine units. 432 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:36,080 So, and the nine units at JLB and the four units from, 433 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,020 okay, so that will stay in the plan. 434 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,700 They're not going to come back and ask too long. 435 00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:45,300 The development has a right to ask for them, 436 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,360 but given what I understand and where the party board members stand, 437 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,880 I can imagine that really happening. 438 00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:51,540 Okay. 439 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,400 I've been wrong before. 440 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200 Yeah, that's a good question. 441 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,040 Was the deeply affordable, 442 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,800 who applied to fall 86 of their units? 443 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:05,400 Yes. 444 00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:05,920 Okay. 445 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560 Just now, that's a good question. 446 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:09,020 Yes. 447 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:11,240 Mark, do you have any thoughts? 448 00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:12,080 You wrote the meeting. 449 00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:13,980 I was at the planning board meeting. 450 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,560 I thought the project looks really good. 451 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,140 I think it's a great thing for us to move forward. 452 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:28,120 We still know that they're going to be coming in asking us for something, but they haven't 453 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,660 really done. 454 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:33,560 They're going to dance now, but not yet. 455 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:34,840 Right. 456 00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:45,040 I think my opinion that has interest could do a lot in helping maintain affordability levels 457 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,280 that they're looking for. 458 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:56,960 And that's part of the partnership is, you know, the town providing funds so that it does have a better chance of attracting the state funds to make it happen. 459 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,220 You can have it well. 460 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:06,120 It's an important project for them too, or it's one of the big chosen to make a priority. 461 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,520 Right. They said right now, they're working just for fun. 462 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,220 They're targeting another property in Rosalindale, and then it's us. 463 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,560 And that's it. 464 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,940 They're not shopping a lot of other projects, so I think they really focused on us and 465 00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:20,520 want to move forward. 466 00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:22,020 So that's, I think, good for everyone. 467 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:22,360 Right. 468 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,940 Then each of those three developments is at a different stage. 469 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:26,660 Yeah. 470 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:27,180 Yeah. 471 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,140 So that's nice. 472 00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:29,340 I'm ready to go to construction. 473 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,720 One request in funds now. 474 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,920 and then a project would request funds of oil a year. 475 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,440 So, could fit really nicely. 476 00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:44,620 Okay, any other comments on King Street? 477 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:48,980 All right, four member updates. 478 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:52,360 Matthew, can you share? 479 00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:54,420 Yeah, I did a little bit of work 480 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:57,460 on trying thinking about funding 481 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,200 another round of the small prepare grants, 482 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,880 because that was such an obvious success. 483 00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:07,240 So there is something in the CPA about support instead 484 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,500 of rehabilitation which doesn't require the structure 485 00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:13,540 to be purchased by CPA funds. 486 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,940 And I guess from what I've read, some Massachusetts towns 487 00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:20,960 have actually used those funds to do repairs to houses. 488 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,660 So that might be something worth looking at. 489 00:39:24,140 --> 00:39:27,240 And I think it's one of those, it's up to us 490 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:32,120 and the CPA in town to just, or the CPC in town to decide whether we want to do that. 491 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:40,180 The other thing that I found out about is something that banks do called community CRA, 492 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,860 community, do you know what that is Martin? I can't remember what stands for. Anyway, 493 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,460 some, they have some obligations to support either a first time home buyers or affordable housing in 494 00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:54,140 towns. And it could be that if we just go to the banks as the affordable housing trust and say, 495 00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:56,140 What do you do it for CR-AID? 496 00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:57,340 Can we have some money for this? 497 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,340 They can help us sponsor it either one time thing 498 00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:03,320 or as well as for our current donation. 499 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,020 And then after that, it's like go to the feds 500 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:11,000 or go to private and private grants or 501 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,300 for what I can see. 502 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,180 I mean, I'm not good at looking for grants, 503 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,040 but they're pretty thin on the brand. 504 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:22,020 But I can do more research on the support stuff 505 00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:27,060 of the CPC. I'm not sure. Exactly. I don't understand the full nuances of that. 506 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,080 That'd be great. Okay. Thank you. 507 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,680 Susan, any updates? Yeah. 508 00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:40,640 All right. So I'm going to dig more into the 40 Y stuff on someone on 509 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,720 Christy Bates and Westford. I went through the chat. I was in leadership training. 510 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:55,420 I am a Certificate of Depletion, so yeah, the next round is actually starting now, 511 00:40:56,220 --> 00:41:01,220 and I'm going to take applications for the next spring in October. It was a good program, 512 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,580 I recommend, you know, if you're interested in doing it, I can give you more information. It was 513 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:18,580 two lunchtime meetings a month for six months. So almost all of them. So the way 514 00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:24,760 they run the program is they pick, I don't pick, probably I had 35 people from 515 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,640 around the state and one meeting was all virtual where all 35 of you were in 516 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,880 and they got a presentation mostly presentations from industry people or 517 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,080 someone on a specific topic, you know, it could be like, oh, what it came in to talk about how 518 00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:46,820 how they build a affordable housing or like people were coming in to talk like how to talk about 519 00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:51,460 building affordable housing, you know, sitting in the narratives and things like that. And then 520 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:56,580 that was one meeting and then there was another meeting where you broke into cohort. So there were 521 00:41:56,580 --> 00:42:04,280 aid in our cohort, they take great fields geographically, and it is more like directed 522 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:10,180 training for those eight people, right? You're all working together, or you know, you 523 00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:16,040 do group exercises and things, and our cohort decided that we didn't like just meet it virtually, 524 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,740 so we had three in person, three in person meetings over that. Two of them work here in the 525 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:28,980 library and one of them went to Man's people. So it was not like a happy look. It was very 526 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:32,980 good program because you got to meet other people that are going through the same 527 00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:38,340 crop that we're going through and get to share the ideas. And find out that the problems 528 00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:46,100 were having are totally common. Yes. Yeah. So in your experience, what was everybody's background? 529 00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,540 was it mostly volunteers, or was it the most there's to have? 530 00:42:50,060 --> 00:42:53,220 So it was a combination. 531 00:42:54,380 --> 00:43:02,160 In my cohort, we had three people that were from painting boards, 532 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:09,860 two people from a affordable housing trust, a select board member, 533 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,860 a town planner, 534 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,500 and I forget the background of the other. 535 00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:20,720 So it was a wide range of skills. 536 00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:25,540 And it's a bit of an issue to be great for it. 537 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,020 It would be good. 538 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,380 Yeah, so the next element of applications 539 00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:31,740 were all around all four to wrap. 540 00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:33,660 Thank you so much. 541 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:38,440 Do you want to talk about the EU bylaw stuff? 542 00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:40,420 Sure. 543 00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:46,660 So, the planning work has voted to schedule a public hearing on updating the accessory 544 00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:53,560 for all in the file law to bring it into performance with state requirements over 80 years 545 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,540 and out, allowed by rights. 546 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:04,360 The discussion of the planning work meeting probably narrowed the file law, so a little bit, 547 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:10,320 For the public hearing, we're in the current regulations. 548 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:14,440 Wilton by-law allows for 1200 square foot ADU. 549 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,240 But in board members we're more comfortable with the maximum of 900. 550 00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:24,820 But also understanding that anybody has the right-getty-ready 551 00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:29,920 that's going to build an ADU has the right to apply to the appeals board for 552 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:40,140 variance to expand it if and then that's this going at the bear one is under 553 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:44,200 would be under the purview of the design board of the else. So anyway that 554 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,560 public hearing will probably be the September 3rd meeting. 555 00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,920 So it's not the outfit for that. 556 00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:58,720 So if people have comments on the size of the 557 00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:59,740 you are in the ownership. 558 00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:29,980 Yes, we'll go through the formal process of updating the draft by the legal town clerk. That's the version that I'll go to the public hearing. Where they live on the percentage of the main unit. They wanted that to be in the file. 559 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:40,020 So the ADU could either be an maximum or of 900s for fee for half the size of the main unit, 560 00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:42,520 which I promised last. 561 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,880 And that fits with the state. 562 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:47,640 Right. 563 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:47,920 Yes. 564 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:59,160 So I'm going to work on with Quester and some others and look at the more on the 40 Y stuff 565 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,180 to start our homes, which is a bore per acre and the different things. I think I can get a 566 00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:10,780 planning board member to interstitute them all things. So that will, hopefully, getting something 567 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,800 for spring, more for spring, it's definitely an uplinked picture. But 568 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:25,780 So on that note, the owner of the 2.45 cluster street parcel, 569 00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:35,180 They may want to be able to sleep on, stuck in the lapis today to highlight that they 570 00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:41,280 have created the entrance to their site now with all the updates to the Foster Street 571 00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:47,340 right in with the construction that was going on and they did an entrance to their site. 572 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:54,840 He wanted to reiterate that this site is immediately adjacent to the commuter rail station and their 573 00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:05,700 preference is that he developed for residential use, given the location. And he passed it specifically 574 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:14,360 about the 45th program. And I suggested that he started interested in reaching out to Mark 575 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:20,600 for that. I'm talking about that. Can you remind me the size of the parcel? 576 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:27,280 34 acres, I believe. There are some development constraints. We'll take a long row of 8M2 577 00:47:28,270 --> 00:47:32,240 across the levels that are near the front of the site that then there's quite a 578 00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:41,500 and and some slopes to work with but there's been certainly else that I haven't sketched. 579 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:49,760 And I believe the economic development goal assigned and I believe it includes the 580 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:58,940 I would say that they took them out and it also changes the there's something for senior 581 00:47:58,940 --> 00:48:06,380 tax credits to real estate tax credits and I'm not good at reading the legal ease of these bills 582 00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:14,340 to follow up exactly. They have to bill as in the 500 amendments. Right, that's right. So it's 583 00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:27,400 And at one point, I got an update today that said that the Senate version and the House version were a little bit different on maybe part of it that I'll have to go back through and get clarified. 584 00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,300 That's all I have. I hope that's good. That's funny. Thanks. Sorry. 585 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,820 Bartlett, do you have any updates you'd like to share? 586 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:47,920 No, I think the 86 units of the planning board is talking about my update. 587 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,100 Yeah, and thank you for that. 588 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,960 And thanks for your continued support for that one. 589 00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:57,380 Angus, thanks for joining. 590 00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:58,420 I'm glad you're able to make it. 591 00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:00,140 I wasn't expecting this evening. 592 00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:03,940 Do you have on any updates for us this evening? 593 00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:10,380 No, the moment, but thanks for recognizing I joined the meeting. 594 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:14,660 I'm just about to leave. Now, one of the questions I have, 595 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,520 I still see activity at the first, I think it's the first practice church, 596 00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:25,540 just at the, at the, at the, at the common. 597 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,820 And I know that there was talk about us working with them and whatnot, 598 00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:34,200 but are they completely out of the building or not? 599 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,140 My understanding is the building was sold to another church. 600 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:38,900 Yes. 601 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,960 Oh, wow. 602 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,100 OK, great. 603 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:42,700 Thanks. 604 00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:49,690 Mike, in your first meeting, anything 605 00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:52,370 that you could either share, any updates or questions 606 00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:53,430 that you'd like to ask? 607 00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:57,330 Well, I guess one, I'm just playing catch-up. 608 00:49:57,550 --> 00:50:00,390 So if people have suggestions on where 609 00:50:00,390 --> 00:50:02,750 I should be going with that, I'm 610 00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:10,890 happy to receive that, and if there's anything low level that people are working on that 611 00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:16,970 I can actually help with at this point, feel free to, you know, grab me into something. 612 00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:17,950 Thank you. 613 00:50:18,930 --> 00:50:20,150 I'll make a pair of hands. 614 00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:21,970 I'll reach out Mike. 615 00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:25,410 It's probably a good idea for us to meet and I can share some things with you. 616 00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:32,630 And also, I think the second newest person here besides you, and the way up by observation 617 00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:36,930 is the way it works is that if there's a particular project that interests you, you know, 618 00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:41,350 there's something that sparks your interest in what we've gone through just, um, just let 619 00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:51,750 me know and we can give you a roll. Very good. Um, on the RFP for dirty, are we reaching 620 00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:58,030 out to the Historical Commission with that for any, what are we doing about the restrictions, 621 00:50:58,030 --> 00:51:01,350 and it's from the restrictions on the house or the water 622 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:04,550 or getting them to agree to whatever we're putting in. 623 00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:06,970 Is are you following up on that part? 624 00:51:07,110 --> 00:51:08,890 Let us know what else is following up on that. 625 00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:15,110 I have not spoken to Linda about it. 626 00:51:17,230 --> 00:51:18,190 I probably should. 627 00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:23,550 I mean, my opinion is that the house is a lost cause. 628 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:36,630 my opinion is that the barn is eminently salvageable or reusable, but I'll talk to her 629 00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:42,570 and tell her that I think the house is a lost cause and see what she says. I mean, they 630 00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:47,010 were kind of open to that, I thought, but... 631 00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:51,750 If you need, again, let me know, or if you want me to do anything, let me know. 632 00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:56,670 I just didn't want it to, it published the RFP and then it's a surprise to them. 633 00:51:57,110 --> 00:51:58,130 I think that's a really good idea. 634 00:51:58,690 --> 00:52:04,010 And then, as a courtesy, we could share the RFP with them before it goes out, so that they know 635 00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:09,550 the way we've positioned it and the fact that we're not requiring anything for the 636 00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:23,670 the house and back our expectations that it will not be restored, okay, okay, so just one 637 00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:30,730 update or one topic and smart enough, I'd ask you to click update year and that's on 638 00:52:30,730 --> 00:52:36,390 13 Shack Street, so I was able to attend that meeting, maybe just to click update for the 639 00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:36,550 group. 640 00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:41,270 Oh, yeah, no, that seems like three weeks of element. 641 00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:42,970 Everybody wasn't. 642 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:45,010 So let's see. 643 00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:49,170 Developer is looking at purchasing the 13 shot extreme. 644 00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:53,250 That's the money cur open lot just the other side of Pine Tree Park. 645 00:52:54,250 --> 00:53:01,670 He's interested in working with the planning board on a six to eight unit senior residential development. 646 00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:13,960 And that would allow, yeah, to take units of the development on that parcel. 647 00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:18,120 And that parcel would hook into town sewer. 648 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:25,820 And in discussions, he seems interested in working with the town on Helping to Provide 649 00:53:25,820 --> 00:53:32,560 a sewer connection for the housing authority, probably, because right now, what are the 650 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:38,520 I think upcoming expenses will be $1,000 authority to connect to sewer if this 651 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,980 development extort could provide, and I'm going like this because I have this back visualized 652 00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:54,580 in my mind. Instead of trying to use the driveway of $1,000 authority property, the sewer line 653 00:53:55,120 --> 00:54:02,260 theoretically could go on the adjacent property and have that mean, have the developer installed that 654 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:11,740 piece of it, directly reducing the cost for connection from the housing that housing connection 655 00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:20,680 you know, designed and and and construction and paying off the betterment was the subject 656 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:27,360 of a grants application that we wrote last year, not understanding that that was in the right 657 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:35,140 process for that for the funding. So will they see on the sketch plan to start talking about? 658 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:41,660 And you mentioned one of the very past would be the senior residential developments, 659 00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:45,100 which would require affordable, also an affordable component. 660 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:53,720 Yeah, and the planning board would have to have a good reason to approve senior residential development on that site. 661 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:58,600 Um, because the site is smaller than the wet thing, 662 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,360 which usually anticipate the rest of your residents of development, 663 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:08,560 but having this way of supporting the affordable housing that's already near the site, 664 00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:11,460 um, what could to the scales. Yeah. 665 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,140 And if they were, could it also potentially be 41? 666 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:16,740 Is it big enough? 667 00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:17,880 I don't know. 668 00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:21,040 There's other part of it, but we don't have that. 669 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,580 We don't have that. 670 00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:22,360 That's only in place. 671 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,360 That's the point. 672 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,300 Bartlett, were you going to talk about the betterment 673 00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:28,280 for the housing authority? 674 00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:30,860 Yeah, Marin, I wanted to get the, 675 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,720 can you give me the name of the developer 676 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,240 for that 13-shed excite? 677 00:55:37,540 --> 00:55:39,920 Because I think it would be worthwhile 678 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,260 having the housing authority people 679 00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:46,220 who make the decisions to opt to him 680 00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:48,360 to sort of try to work something out. 681 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,560 Great. 682 00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:51,000 Yeah. 683 00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:53,060 I'll come next to you guys. 684 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,160 He's considered it at this point, right? 685 00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:57,960 He has been purchased. 686 00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:59,880 But he's considered it. 687 00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,100 That's a really interesting idea. 688 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:13,860 The housing authority, the housing authority, has sort of gotten in line with Boston to get 689 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,900 a million dollars to do that connection. 690 00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:22,940 I mean, a lot of that is getting rid of the old leaching fields and you know, it's doing 691 00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:31,720 a lot of digging on site, but any help, you know, I mean, any help that we can get on 692 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,120 that would be great, and if it could be, you know, 693 00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:39,770 it would just be really good. 694 00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:44,610 So I'd like to put the people in contact with him. 695 00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:50,530 If you're connected to the service, I open up more and land there, or development at the housing authority. 696 00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:54,030 Do you know what our need for leaching through? 697 00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:57,670 Yeah, they're reaching trenches at all. 698 00:57:00,490 --> 00:57:05,170 So, in a lot of cases, he'd say yes, but in this case, probably not. 699 00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:13,170 I think that the red tape of adding more units to that would probably be monumental. 700 00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:18,250 at all, based on my experience with EOHLC, so far, 701 00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:22,500 even if it was allowed by zoning. 702 00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:32,760 Well, and that was approved as a 40-week assessment, which is monumental. 703 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,840 Well, you only have the topic I had. 704 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640 we've covered and that was to congratulate Mark on his 705 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,540 chat with certification. So congratulations again on that. 706 00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:50,900 And that's it for board member updates. 707 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,740 They're going to have a chance to review Sofia's minutes from our last meeting 708 00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:57,420 from the June 17th meeting. 709 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,600 And if so, do we have motion to approve? 710 00:58:04,270 --> 00:58:07,330 So moved. Thank you, Susan. We have a second. 711 00:58:07,330 --> 00:58:14,230 I was in there. I'm not seeing. Okay, so let's go around and vote. 712 00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:18,850 Yes. Approved. 713 00:58:21,350 --> 00:58:23,550 Season? Yes. Park? Yes. 714 00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:26,990 That is the same name. And Marianne Bruce. 715 00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:30,310 Oh, and Mike. Oh, yeah. Yes. 716 00:58:30,450 --> 00:58:33,270 Mike. Okay. I wasn't sure if I could vote. 717 00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:36,790 So, anyone can vote on the, we have you can vote on the bit of secret videos. 718 00:58:37,110 --> 00:58:37,490 Okay. 719 00:58:37,930 --> 00:58:38,110 All right. 720 00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:39,810 So Mike, UES? 721 00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:40,810 Yes. 722 00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:41,770 Okay. 723 00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:42,530 Thank you. 724 00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:43,110 All right. 725 00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:43,430 Okay. 726 00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:44,670 Minutes are approved. 727 00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:46,870 Let's um, schedule our next meeting. 728 00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:53,330 Our normal days would be the third Tuesday. 729 00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:54,470 August. 730 00:58:55,090 --> 00:58:57,210 That would be the 18. 731 00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:57,670 18. 732 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,120 How does August 18th work for everyone? 733 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:07,580 I'm good. 734 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,560 I think it stays in. 735 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:10,180 Mark? 736 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,160 I'll make your work. 737 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:12,460 Okay. 738 00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:12,940 I'm good. 739 00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:14,500 August 18th? 740 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,740 I think so. 741 00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:20,450 Let me look. 742 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,600 Mike, how about you? 743 00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:24,800 August 18th? 744 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:25,320 Does that work for you? 745 00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:26,440 That's perfect for me. 746 00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:27,700 Lauren? 747 00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:31,380 Yeah. 748 00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:35,540 You're going to be on vacation, but that's for a lot of August, right? 749 00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:37,040 So we should work on your schedule. 750 00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:37,900 Thank you. 751 00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:38,920 All right. 752 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:39,520 And we'll, um, 753 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,880 yes, we were talking to Cooper to see if he would be able to attend in our absence. 754 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:45,540 Or Sofia. 755 00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:46,380 Yeah, Sofia. 756 00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:48,260 Yeah, 757 00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:51,370 Sofia. 758 00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:51,750 Excellent. 759 00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:52,350 Okay. 760 00:59:52,570 --> 00:59:53,770 So we have a motion to each other. 761 00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:55,590 I have a little homework project for everyone. 762 00:59:55,850 --> 00:59:58,570 Like considering what projects we should work on after. 763 00:59:58,570 --> 00:59:59,870 or we have the turkey. 764 01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:28,350 The thing that's going on, so we should be coming up with what's next. So the only thing that I had ideas for is the 82 Russell Street property, which I started to look into. I don't know other people have thought about what we should be doing next other than that. So give us some thoughts. And I think it's a good point Mark. The other thing we should think about too is how we will support some of these projects that we have like to have on. Like we will have to. 765 01:00:28,350 --> 01:00:32,270 to work with Habitat to get more community support, right? 766 01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:35,250 To help to actually build a place and potentially 767 01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:36,310 for some of the others, right? 768 01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:38,750 But, um, the game people on board. 769 01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:41,050 I was just trying to think that we should have 770 01:00:41,590 --> 01:00:44,210 keep these pros and keep it tight while you're away. 771 01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:44,310 Yeah. 772 01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:46,970 Like, have one sort of blue style going now, 773 01:00:47,090 --> 01:00:50,310 so that it gets me in a real light and jerky or... 774 01:00:50,310 --> 01:00:50,550 Yeah. 775 01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:52,690 Habitat has signed off and moving forward. 776 01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:52,970 Yeah. 777 01:00:53,290 --> 01:00:54,250 Are you gonna have two or three? 778 01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:54,830 Yeah. 779 01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:57,650 And then one that will actually come to fruition. 780 01:01:04,210 --> 01:01:09,870 We have a lot of virtue chat because everyone, right, so that I could be talking to something. 781 01:01:11,570 --> 01:01:14,070 Okay, now do we have a motion to adjourn? 782 01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:15,450 So moved. 783 01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:16,450 Second. 784 01:01:17,550 --> 01:01:20,270 All right, do we have to go around and everyone vote on this one too? 785 01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:21,070 No. 786 01:01:21,070 --> 01:01:21,990 All right. 787 01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:22,650 All right. 788 01:01:22,650 --> 01:01:22,790 All right.