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Good evening and welcome to the little tin board of health meeting. Wednesday, August 26, 7pm. We'll begin with a discussion on private well regulations. I Kelly, would you like to lead us off and give us just an update and where we are in next steps? Yeah, sure. So I don't know if we have the, I think Kevin Davis holds the up to date. Well, regulations, is that true? He does not have access to them.

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He does not, so nobody does.

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I don't think so.

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I think they were in Francis's hands, and I'm not quite sure what we need to do to

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get into the OneDrive account he had access to, where those lived, or perhaps his desktop

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maybe you might reach out to him or-

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I can definitely reach out to him.

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There's nothing on our drive at work, and not the shared one drive either, but I haven't

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been able to see the most recent well-regulation.

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Dr. Wason.

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So, several meetings ago, we were doing a line-by-line edit with a discussion, and a board member,

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I thought it was Dan, was making the edits.

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Yes.

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I thought it had well and I forwarded it to Francis and I admit I cannot find on my computer,

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but at the end of that meeting I may not have, but to the best of my recollection I had

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in fact forwarded it to Francis at the end of that meeting.

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Okay.

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So I think you then forwarded that email to, I think myself and Baker at some point or Davis

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this is on point. And I think it did not include the changes where it was something else.

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So I'm concerned that I think the last changes might be lost. So the most up-to-date version

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would be whatever was in the meeting packet from that meeting.

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Would it be possible to go through the last meeting? I believe it was June 24th when we last

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Just discuss that to see what updates and triggers were made to the regs at that point.

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And then present those at our next meeting and we can continue on.

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So we could circulate that version.

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It would be time consuming, but somebody could effectively watch the video and see the changes

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Dan made and repeat the changes.

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I think that's the only way unless we want to have the meeting all over again.

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And then Kevin Davis volunteered to compare it with the newer release regs to make

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sure any updates to that were brought over so that that would then give us our next document

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to evaluate.

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This is all if Francis doesn't have it saved somewhere and we can't access it.

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Libby, come again.

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I mean, I think what I've been asking to see since at least June is just what you guys

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have been working on for the past three and a half years with this document. I don't have access

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to what you guys have been working on for the past three and a half years. So it's really hard

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for me to participate effectively in these meetings if I don't have access to what you guys have been

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doing for the past three and a half years. And so that's all I'm asking for, you know, access to,

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and I think you guys understand that. So you're not missing access to anything. You're asking for something

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and it doesn't exist. The only document that we had been working off of was what was emailed

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to us before every single meeting in a meeting packet. So nobody has, it was owned by Francis

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somewhere, and it was then attached to a meeting packet every single time we had a meeting.

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So there's no living copy that the board members have access to.

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There could be, we have one

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access it and look at it. And I think it's talking with Kelly a few times. That is a

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future thing that we need to work better at as a board.

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I mean, is it better for us to look at the newer state regulations and go off of that

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and just start new because some of the stuff in the old document might be move point anyway.

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That's why that's why Kevin said he would compare it and find out what the differences were between that.

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If there's just a few updates that we can then slot in great.

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We have spent a lot of time in there in Janet. So I wouldn't want to start over from scratch.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess what's the plan if Kevin Davis is in on our next meeting again, and we can't find this information

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Starting to scratch

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Yeah, we're not starting from scratch. We're not starting with 1989 starting with the new model race from 2024 for the state

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But oh, you've started with a new model race from 2024

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No, I would say if we're starting over again. We were trying to merge

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the new model rigs into existing and make changes rather than eliminate existing

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border health rates and starting from scratch. We were trying to update the existing ones,

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but if we do need to start from scratch, my suggestion would be we just start with the model

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rigs and adjust them to little 10 rather than adjusting the old little ones to the new model rigs,

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which is kind of how we approach the first round. Yeah, I agree with that.

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I just found a document from two months ago that Francis had circulated and I added you Kelly and Dan and it's the track changes.

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You can view the changes.

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Okay, that's one two months ago.

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That old doc, yeah.

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So you should have that.

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And I guess let's include that in our next packet.

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If that is the version that had been updated from the meeting we had, I don't know if it was the version from just prior to the meeting.

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Okay.

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We have to review that.

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So

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I don't know that you all can do anything tonight with the regulations, but that's totally up to you.

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Yeah, I would like to see it in our packet for next week.

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At least the link to it digitally if we can store it online somewhere and give folks a place to reference so they can follow along.

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That would be great.

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I can spend some time reviewing it as well.

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and I could let you guys know if I have any suggestions or maybe you run it by

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MHB and maybe they have some suggestions for us as well. If that's okay with you.

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Yeah, if you could just add Libby to the document and Matt as well. I didn't want to create a

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Yeah.

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Kevin Davis, too.

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Should probably see this.

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And then.

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Yes, Dan.

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So I know if I could just for for

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Kelly, it's a little bit of institutional history that as we're looking at it,

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I think, you know, as we were trying to identify the best things,

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I think I'm probably biggest feedback from citizens and residents were concerns

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about mandated testing of private wells, what that looks like, you know, the model

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rigs say annual testing, they would some resistance to that to associated with

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the cost and, you know, a bit of a libertarian approach to it's my water it's my

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house, you know, what difference does it make to someone else? Most folks seemed

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to understand the idea of at that time of transfer of ownership of a property

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kind of like Title V, but there was some concerns around that. So just as you're looking at the model

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rigs versus what we have in place, that was kind of probably the biggest I think public

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piece of discussion they kind of came up to just for kind of your perspective as you're looking at it

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just things to think about. Okay, what was the force opinion on that?

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I don't think we ever actually

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came to the decision. I do. We didn't come to a decision, but I did look up information on the

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contaminants like I was asked to do, I think, during our June 24th meeting. So there

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is some state guidance that kind of spells out when things should be tested and it's not

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necessarily uniform per contaminant or potential contaminant. It kind of depends, like I guess

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the best way I can explain is maybe to compare it to vaccines, like some you get yearly, some

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you get you know every other year or five years or you know on a different schedule so it's

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not necessarily so black and white and that you can apply it to all contaminants but that it's

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different but there is some state level guidance that should make that easier for us to use and adopt.

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Like PFAS one of the most expensive tests that's every five years.

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I think the general consensus of the board was that it should be treated, it should

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be addressed when the property transfers.

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That makes sense.

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That's what Carlisle did.

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And so they would require the test if it hadn't already been done and or something expired

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but it doesn't make sense.

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Great.

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So we'll look forward to having that discussion at our next meeting.

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Thank you very much.

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Moving any hands in the audience?

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No, I guess we'll move on to the discussion regarding the Shaker Lane project.

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Kelly, do you want to just give us a little background on this?

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Yes, so Shaker Lane is redoing their septic system and they wanted to kind of have a discussion

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with you all about what their plans are and kind of get your general consensus prior to moving forward

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but I don't see anybody on here from shaker lane they should be of his job.

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Be in my hands.

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I will have them all in

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and to people.

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Do you hear me?

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Yes.

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Are you sure you're set to go?

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Yes.

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I don't rejoin as a panelist thank you Kelly for

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connecting me there. So, yeah, I can give you a little bit of the history on the project, the

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Shaker Lane Scundrew Garvin, by the way, from Samuel to consultants, were the civil engineer

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on the project, which is actually a new school for Shaker Lane Elementary School, and obviously meeting

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with you on the proposed septic system for that school. There are some other members

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of our design team including Steve Powers from my office and the architect Mary Lee Mercy

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from Studio G and members of the construction management team here with us to speak about

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the project. But when I start with a brief history I can share my screen.

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That would be great.

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Here's your thing.

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Let's see.

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Yep.

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Can you see that?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So, Shaker Lane School, the existing school, is here.

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It's located with Gold Smith Street to the west, an access drive coming off of Roxbury

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Drive into the school, and then Shaker Lane itself to the south and heading to the east.

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Picard Farm is up to the north, so it's a pretty sizable piece, but the main campus is

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what you see here with some woods and wetland areas behind it.

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This page, this overview is really showing, as I just explained in the school, but speaking

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about the existing septic system. It currently resides about half a mile to the east off

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of university drive here via force main in this area in the woods that is town owned.

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This is Brooklyn next to it and that some of that background is the school back in the

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90s, added some additions, those additions were placed over the existing septic system and they had trouble finding an on-site location, and I could switch to the as-built plan back in the from back in the day, and

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here is the existing school, the proposed additions,

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the existing system that was now superseded and the force made heading way out to the east

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to that university drive site. It's a fairly unique system in that it was actually built.

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This is university drive and now coming off and heading out to where the leech field is located.

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It was actually built in a wetland and filled.

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They did have good perk rates out there, but it's fairly unique, at least to me in that

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regard that, oops, sorry, that it is located in a wetland or what was a wetland and filled.

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So that said, it incorporates an IA system known as an Amphrodrome system located here,

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right nestled into the school and that system is here to give you the big picture again and that

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This new system was installed. I believe it was 96. It's been monitored monthly over the last 30 years and is working well. The system is operating well and we plan to incorporate that system into the new. But that

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system that IA system allows for a 50% reduction in the bed, which they took advantage of back at that time.

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time and we would also be planning to update that Amphidrome system with new media and whatever

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is required, we have a consultant looking at that and again it's been monitored, we're

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dealing with the company that's been monitoring it over the last 30 years.

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So we looked to fully update that and incorporate it into our new system.

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Bringing it up to today, we wanted to find a way if possible, understanding the history

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and the previous situation, understanding that it would probably be difficult to find

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a feasible spot on site.

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We did some pretty significant testing on site over the last two years.

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I'm going to picture of the entire site here, that's

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all right.

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So this is the upper portion, let me go, let me go back to the area, I'll just show

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you the big picture again, apologies.

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So this is the existing school, the proposed school is going to be up in the baseball field

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area.

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Again, the IA system next to school is going to be utilized.

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and then the new septic system, I'm going to go review the testing that we did, but we have found a suitable area down in this south west corner adjacent to the parking area, if you're familiar with the campus at all.

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And we did some pretty extensive testing both for septic and for drainage all around the site. This is the field area where the new school is going to go.

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but where we found the most suitable material was down in this area, this Southwest corner, as I explained.

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Here's the existing school in blue with the parking area kind of hidden beneath.

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And we did a number of testing, I know you probably read it already in the summary memo we provided,

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but since December of 24th through April of this year, we've done testing with the various,

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and as you know, the board health agents have changed. We were with Jim Gareffi when it started,

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the misshover was still part of the board of health, so we were kind of under their oversight,

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and we did all the testing with them and perk tests, and we just needed this last test in April

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is really to meet the requirements of getting four successful test pits and perks for each primary

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and reserve area, which we were able to do.

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The current design to size the Leach field is the same

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flow rate as what is for the existing school, same population of students and staff are

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proposed that is not being changed with the new school and that is 620 students and staff

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comes to a flow of about just short of 5,000 gallons per day, 4,960 gallons per day.

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Again, the system that you're seeing here is, we're just in preliminary design right

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now, but this is appropriately sized for that population and with the perc rates we had,

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we had a maximum perc rate, it varied from like in the 20s to the maximum of 50 minutes

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is per inch. And so one of the one of the main reasons we're here is to talk about those

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that that would require a local variance for one of your regulations, which we call for

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a lot over 30,000 square feet. You have a limit of 40 minutes per inch per grade.

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We would

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Beyond that they're we haven't fully graded out the the

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The final grading that would be required for this system, but I am in it's possible that we may need an additional

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Variants for

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Grading within 10 feet of a butters property line, so I wanted to bring that to the table as well

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That will be I guess that's more to be determined

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But just as an additional

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note on the design parameters. Again, what you're seeing is Title 5 compliant with no reductions.

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We would be looking to incorporate the IA system that exists and upgrade it and incorporate that system.

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And request a reduction in the system just like what exists today, a 50% reduction is allowed.

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We're not showing that right now but obviously you can see that you would just how you would cut that in half to accomplish that.

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I think it's worth mentioning that we did look up the water use rates for the school over the last five years.

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And the average flow for the school title five requires you to when you look up the water use rate you multiply them by,

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you go by two hundred percent, you multiply them by two, and those were included, I

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think, in your document package as well, some of those tables. It varies from year to

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year, but generally speaking, they're in the 3,000 gallon per day range that the

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school actually uses, whereas we will be designing for the 4,960 gallons per day.

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think that's most of the background I have, I would like to probably, I think it's

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best to turn it over to our construction managers, members from Gil Bain are here to talk

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about the construction phasing and our intentions on how that would work to keep the system operational

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either existing or proposed while the students, while the new school is built and the students

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transition their occupancy to the new building so I don't know I'm trying to

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look who was here from Gilbane. I don't know if you have to make them a

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presenter Kelly or if they can just speak. We're here Drew we're on. Okay I'll hand it over to them.

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Thanks Drew. Thanks everybody.

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Drew I'm actually very rapidly trying to pull up the

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being sewer force main as well.

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Other of mine just sharing that screen that you have.

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I can find it, too, as well, sorry.

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Yeah, there you go.

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Yep, that's perfect, Drew.

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So, good evening, everyone.

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My name's Tremac-O-R-A-C-F-P-X-W-Gilbane.

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Myself and Jonathan May, our on-site project manager

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will be kind of the two leaders as part of the project.

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And one of the challenges with this project

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was kind of managing and working around

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the existing sewer force main that you can see up here on the screen that Drew has been talking about.

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And one of our approaches to this is that due to the new design and the cut fill effort,

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when I say cut fill, there's a lot of soil movement that has to go on in this area of this existing

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in sewer force main that based on the new finished sub grades and finished grades, this

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sewer force main will essentially be kind of sticking out of the ground. So it's part

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of our phasing and planning operation that we're still working through currently is we're

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going to have to determine a temporary measure to ensure that the existing school stays

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online throughout the phases of construction. So as part of our early site package, as we're

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preparing, clearing the site, getting ready for site clearing, ledge removal, we as a team

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are going to develop a plan on how to temporarily maintain this existing sewer force main to the

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wife of that phase one construction, which is the new building, which is going to require

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basically a new temporary line connecting to the existing.

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We understand that there's an air relief valve kind of on page right that Drew has up now

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that is going to be somewhat undisturbed based on the current grading design.

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So our intent is to figure out a new temporary line at the right depth to accommodate the new grading and connect to that existing error, error refalf, kind of on page right that then then travels down to the existing leach field that drew and shared on the first page.

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That will service the existing school throughout phase one construction.

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and then as part of the turnover as Drew had shared,

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we have to construct a new field which is gonna be part of phase two.

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So phase one consists of building the new building that you see here on the plans.

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We will successfully move faculty and students into that building

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which will allow us to kind of flip our site logistics

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and we'll then take over the existing building footprint

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and the existing parking lots that is there, which will consist of demolition or

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removal of the existing building, and in parallel we'll be constructing the new

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leach field that Drew had explained at the start of the presentation. That shoulder

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period between Phase 1 and Phase 2, we've worked with the team and the intent is

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based on the calculations, the new building can still be connected to the existing

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leach field until phase two has been constructed and is ready to then have the permanent switch

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over so that the new building will then be connected and feed into the existing leach

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field as part of phase two construction.

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That is very, very high level. A lot of details

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questions that the board may have?

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Sure. Daniel, can you start with any questions you might have?

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Thank you. Obviously, we're not taking action tonight, but I appreciate the big picture

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of how we handle this. Agreed having the leaching field a quarter mile away is a unique design,

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but it worked at the moment when it needed to be done 35, 40 years ago.

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Yeah, I mean, I think as you described the biggest concern is how do you make those switch

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overs and, you know, obviously old pipes are fragile, particularly out of the ground.

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Our concern obviously would be re-ruptors and loss of use of the school until repairs

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can occur.

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So, but it sounds like you're already identifying that as a risk, so that would be my only

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really big concern.

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But yeah, just how do you make those transitions in an active construction site with students

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still there. Absolutely, Dan, and that's one of our focuses that we're still working through,

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you know, to minimize any and all those impacts, you know, as part of those switchovers and

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connections, you know, we're going to be looking at exploring all fours, you know, connections and

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shutdowns so that we minimize any and all impacts in existence school. So, you know, we'll be targeting

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off hours whether that's Monday through Friday, off hours or we can type work to, again, ensure

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that we maintain service to the existing owner.

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Dr. Wiesen.

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Yes, thank you for giving us a lot of information,

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relatively quickly.

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One care asset I had you talked about at Leachfield,

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you might size, you might change a little bit,

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and you might have some grade in there.

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Is that road to the east because it's for the parking lot?

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Is that road staying?

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So your only expansion direction is west.

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Oh, that parking area and that existing

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Existing access off shaker lane to the existing school will be closed off. There is a new

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Curb cut coming off shaker lane to the east up shaker lane

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Okay, so if that field has to grow could it grow east and not towards the residents?

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Now this is Steve powers with semi-autic consultants one of the challenges that we have is to the north

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You could probably see the wetlands area highlighted in red

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when we go to the east there's a pretty significant drop off and that starts to

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encroach on where we're relocating the athletic fields and on top of that the

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existing building is in that location too so we're working with a lot of stuff in

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that area so it's a great question believe me we've other than the trying to find

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some feasibility feasible soils for to locate the system we're pushing this

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around as much we can to just you know to not really encroach on anyone but we

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are running into a due to the size.

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Yeah, because those are all gradient lines.

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Just parallel there, right?

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Right around the field where you've got just a lot of field.

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Correct.

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Right.

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So one of the other challenges that we

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do have is a little bit high groundwater,

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which you may or may not be aware of.

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So we do have to raise it.

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I'm a little bit of make sure that we're keeping the separation of groundwater. So that's, in essence, that's why we have to raise it. And there's a pretty good drop, you know, from, let's say, plan south to plan north. Thank you. And then my other question kind of about just this, like, the size of the system. So what is the current system size for, for flow? You know? Yeah. So the, the current size is, Drew, we talked about that. So one of the,

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One of the advantages and drew a touch on this at the very beginning is in that area, it's not actually, it wasn't wetlands, wetlands have worse surrounding it and growing into it, but they did find relatively sandy soils.

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So, it was still size with that 4,960 gallons per day, but because the soils were so sandy,

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they could shrink the leaching area plus on top of that, the 50% reduction with the

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amphirdrome system.

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Going back the other way, we were lucky, we found some feasible soils on site, but we've

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got a high percrate in that area.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I just wanted, as you talked about, kind of like using the old system with the new building

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temporarily until you give things over.

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So the old system designed for the same flow rate, so it's not like we're super seeding

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out with the new building or anything.

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Cool.

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Sure.

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And then my last question is probably not for you guys, it's just a, you know, now I'm more

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of a citizen question, I guess, why aren't we making the capacity of the school bigger

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and thus the system bigger?

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But okay.

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I can probably speak to that.

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So the original septic system was sized for 600 or 620 students.

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It was very much oversized for some reason.

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I'm not sure why.

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Even though the new system is sized for 620 people, that I assume you're asking because

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because of the new housing development at 550 King Street,

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and increased impacts to enrollment.

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Potentially?

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Sure, that's a contributor, yes.

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So, I'm in growth.

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So last year, the enrollment was 398 students.

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The MSBA approved enrollment is 435 students in K to 2.

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And the MSBA sort of dictates what that enrollment is.

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They do some demographic studies.

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and they look at birth rates, and they try to anticipate whether the population is going up, down, or remaining stable.

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And then that is what they pay for. They don't pay for housing projects that have not already started the permitting process,

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because as far as the MSBA is concerned, it's not a real project yet, and so they don't allow that to influence their number for enrollment.

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But I think we are in luck because the septic system being sized for 620, even though

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the enrollment is 435, that allows the accommodation of not just the growth of enrollment from the

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400 is now to the 435 at some point in the future, but it also can absorb quite a few

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more students and associated staff members with that.

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And, you know, we looked at the housing projects pretty early in the process and tried to sort of estimate how many additional students we could anticipate for that.

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We looked at the number of two bedrooms, the number of three bedrooms, thought about assuming that the kids are evenly distributed in age from 0 to 18 and then there's a few that are not being used for, you know, their roommates, their unrelated people,

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or a 24 year old doesn't left you at those types of things, and we imagine it would be about

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10 to 15 kids per grade level coming in, so an additional 40, 45 maybe, so looking at that,

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so 435 plus those 40 to 45 plus 10 to 20 additional faculty members plus a much higher enrollment

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in pre-K than what they have now, ends up being 620.

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So you can really absorb many more students in enrollment,

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go into the future with the way that it's sized right now.

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All right, thank you so much for that detail.

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You're welcome.

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Libby Donigan?

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I don't have any concerns,

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and just for some transparency,

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I was heavily involved in the advocacy efforts

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to pass the ballot vote for the school project.

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So, Maryly and I know each other

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from some communication groups that I was a part of.

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So I've heard this whole spiel many, many times.

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This is a pretty common question about the population.

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It's come up.

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So I feel pretty comfortable with your plan.

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And I know that you're carefully crossing your teeth

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and down your eyes.

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Thank you.

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I just have a couple comments.

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50 minutes an inch.

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I will have to ask the board about that.

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It's not uncommon.

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And with a higher per grade sometimes,

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If we can enlarge the system as much as possible, that's great.

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In the transition phase, where you're connecting and disconnecting and working really carefully

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around that pipe, I was wondering if you thought about putting maybe like an on-site tight

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tank just as an emergency to handle any flow so the school could stay in operation.

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And yeah, you can answer that if you'd like, but...

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So, no, it's a great question and a great idea, Kevin, that's one of the things that we're thinking is kind of a

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Continancy effort in the event that we'd run into issues paired with

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We're going to do some investigate work and make sure that the ads built that we have on file is

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You know fairly accurate, but

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Some some sort of tank in the event that something occurs or something that we've been discussing internally as well to

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So that will be part of our plan and efforts here through pre-contraction as well

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And then I was just curious. I know it might have been really difficult to get close to the building to dig test holes, but I'm curious if you did.

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And what it would look like under those baseball fields.

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The team has done some. I don't

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see.

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As I said, the preliminary testing back

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before the additions were through here.

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There's a lot of ledge plus it's closer to the wetlands.

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We did one here right next to the school.

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I said we can see the school and this outline.

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That's in the parking lot.

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There was some old utilities.

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Again, a lot of ledge, we did one.

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Sorry. All thumbs here. We did want adjacent to the school over here. A lot of

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existing utilities. I don't think Ledge was as big as this you there, but again

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wetlands were very close to wetland. This wet, you know, this pretty sizable

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wetland area.

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You know, this is an entire wetland area here. So, and then we dug one

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more down here towards the base of the school. This is where it hills up to the playground.

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This is all ledge in that playground. So the answer question is yes, we did. This is all

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ledge where the force made heads out to the east. That's all ledge. So up by the fields was

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some other areas that we could use for drainage, but not for septic. It's mostly fill and it

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was not the parent soil was not suitable for the septic system. So this was where we ended

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up as the best area.

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And I'm happy that you're recycling the old system and it's going to

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continue to be used. Just playing a devil's advocate, you know, it's 30 something usual, you know,

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what happens when it fails. So that is a great question and it was part of what we looked at a couple

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years ago. So we did, there was a Title V inspection done on it and it passed. It still is in good

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operation. And like Drew had said earlier, the Amphidrom system is also in good operating water.

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We've actually hired the person that designed the original system back in 96 or 97 to continue

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to maintain it. So we're pretty confident that we can we can move forward and continue

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using that existing septic system while this is under construction.

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And is there a call

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update?

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Yeah, I'll let me be tripped. Do you have a rough?

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Yeah. Sorry. That was a schedule

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question. These are all good questions. Rough overall schedule, Kevin, is I'm just going

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to give you the full overview.

439
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:40,050
So we'll just tell you more intelligently when we're

440
00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:41,890
cutting off and intersecting.

441
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:46,070
We are slated to begin construction next July of 2027.

442
00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:49,710
As part of that summer effort, we're

443
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:52,050
targeting making this temporary connection

444
00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:56,050
during that time period, sometime and a summer early fall,

445
00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:58,310
so that we have that temporary means

446
00:39:58,310 --> 00:40:01,650
to maintaining the existing school while we construct

447
00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:02,530
the new building.

448
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:08,170
the new building is going to continue under construction in that phase one area

449
00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:18,490
until May of 29 and then we will be transitioning into phase two during that

450
00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:23,730
summer period of 29 so the new school will be connected into that system at

451
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:28,750
that point and will be operational and feeding into the existing system you know

452
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:38,030
call it May of 29 and right now the way our phase two schedule is mapped out that phase two schedule,

453
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:42,730
which included again the demolition of the existing building, construction of the new playfields,

454
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:47,930
and construction of that new leach field, that is slated to be completed at the end of 2029.

455
00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:54,510
So during that time period towards the end of that year, we'll make that final switch over

456
00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:57,690
in connection so the new building feeds in with the new museum.

457
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,440
Great. Well, thank you for that.

458
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Welcome.

459
00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:08,080
And my last question, I just thought of when you were explaining that is, have you guys

460
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,540
thought about running a pipe down Goldsmith's street to the sewer?

461
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:17,870
Goldsmith's plan left, I believe, right? Looking at this plan?

462
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:23,070
It connects Roxbury, or Shaker Lane.

463
00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:24,510
Yeah, Goldsmith, yes.

464
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:24,750
Yes.

465
00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:30,390
I know we looked at it very early on in the process, and my understanding was it was quite

466
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:41,190
a run to be able to tie into that, and I think it was a run, I'd have to look back on it,

467
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:49,050
but we definitely looked at it because relocating a septic system at that point didn't seem

468
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:53,150
like it was going to happen, so that's why we were heading for soil testing.

469
00:41:53,970 --> 00:42:00,330
Yeah, I know the town, I can't speak to it in detail at any way, but I know the town

470
00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:11,670
has a new common system, or septic sewer treatment plant, proposed and installed, so it wasn't

471
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:17,110
a relation to that, but it was quite a long run, and then we found this area, so it didn't

472
00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:25,750
see the, I just don't think it was feasibility, you know, as far as cost made sense, especially

473
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:26,250
now there.

474
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:27,070
Yeah.

475
00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:28,170
We did look at it.

476
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:28,430
Absolutely.

477
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:30,190
Do you see where department might like that, if you ask them?

478
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:30,510
Yeah.

479
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:41,270
There was also some discussion about how that new septic system was not planned to accommodate

480
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:42,170
something like this.

481
00:42:42,250 --> 00:42:44,770
It was really more for the downtown business area.

482
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:49,270
and so they just didn't have the room for us to connect to it.

483
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,200
Thank you.

484
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:53,900
Anything else?

485
00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:58,610
Oh, just one side note.

486
00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:03,210
A couple of those screen shots are drawings, like with the test holes.

487
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:05,510
Those were in our packet. We do mind just shooting those,

488
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:08,190
or I know this isn't a public hearing, so we don't have to have it.

489
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:11,470
But could you send a couple of those over to Kelly just so we can get them

490
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:14,830
kind of into our packet for storage sink?

491
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:16,510
Yeah, absolutely.

492
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:18,950
Are you talking to soil logs themselves?

493
00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:20,850
the official soil logs are.

494
00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:23,530
No, no, but yeah, like that one,

495
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:27,970
and the other drawing like that that showed probably that,

496
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:29,010
was that the one we looked at?

497
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:32,990
We can send you everything we showed you tonight.

498
00:43:33,390 --> 00:43:34,650
Yeah, just to be honest, that would be great.

499
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:37,550
We've got the old stuff I think in the packet,

500
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:39,950
just not those newer drawings.

501
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:42,010
We can certainly send them, no problem.

502
00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:42,610
Absolutely.

503
00:43:47,770 --> 00:43:49,090
Great, well thank you very much for your time.

504
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:49,870
We'll see you soon.

505
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:51,450
All right, thank you all.

506
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:51,830
Thank you.

507
00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:51,890
Thank you.

508
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:59,670
We move on to our next discussion now, the Climate Action Plan. Kelly, if you

509
00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:04,570
want to give us a little bit of background on that. I will actually hand that off to

510
00:44:04,570 --> 00:44:11,610
Libby. Libby wanted this on the agenda, so I will hand it off to her to explain. Thanks.

511
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:18,020
You're muted, Libby.

512
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:25,570
Sorry, you're going to see me shift my gaze over to my other screen for a minute.

513
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:31,550
The Climate Action Plan as a roadmap that helps the community reduce greenhouse gas emissions

514
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:35,390
and prepare for the impacts of climate change and build a more resilient future.

515
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:39,350
It identifies the major sources of emissions within the community and establishes goals

516
00:44:39,350 --> 00:44:43,670
and targets and outlines practical strategies and actions to reduce pollution while supporting

517
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:48,950
public health, economic stability and quality of life. Our Climate Action Plan focuses on both

518
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:54,510
mitigation and resilience and this Climate Action Plan is intended to serve as a living document

519
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:59,170
that can guide municipal decision making and form future investments, support grant applications.

520
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:21,940
And encourage collaboration among residents, businesses, community organizations, and regional partners. So, if we felt like, you know, we're listed in this plan as being either a champion or supporter. And we feel like we want to update that or change that this sustainability committee will be reviewing our plan on at least an annual basis.

521
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:32,800
So, we are listed as either champions or supporters on several long term.

522
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,340
in near-term actions.

523
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,280
So I just wanted to put it on our plan so we could figure out if there's anything that

524
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,060
we want to address in the near-term future or push it off a few meetings and maybe tackle

525
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:48,480
something down the line, but at least since our time-

526
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:48,920
I love this.

527
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Yeah, I think we should start a committee on it ourselves and come up with some solutions

528
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,040
in ways we can help be a part of the bigger cause.

529
00:45:59,910 --> 00:46:01,230
Dr. Wacen, do you have any comments?

530
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:05,440
I agree.

531
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:17,400
Let's get it in a plan log so we can be making sure we're connecting on it on a frequent basis because that's not always been our strong suit of remembering to bring these things back up periodically so that we can be reviewing them.

532
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:29,080
And I think if there are some short term medium for long term, if those could be gridded out for us so that we can then as a board prioritize which ones we look forward to spend our energy on.

533
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:35,600
Yeah, they are. It's on our town web page now. So it's live. This was approved July 13th.

534
00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:40,540
So yeah, that's why I just wanted to kind of put it on everybody's radar here because it is now

535
00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:48,220
live in the town website. And we're listed under some energy and waste goals.

536
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:52,370
Yeah, energy and waste

537
00:46:52,370 --> 00:47:00,790
mostly. Things that are usually under our purview. It would be really cool if our web page was

538
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:05,290
built in a way where if somebody went to that that you're talking about and clicked on

539
00:47:05,290 --> 00:47:08,970
one of those things that belonged to us it took them to say our health department page

540
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:13,390
where we could have an update on the things we are champions of.

541
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,180
I don't know if I can do that.

542
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:21,440
I'm going to guess.

543
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:25,780
No, but is that something that we should consider?

544
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:32,760
I mean, should all of those champions have their own little home stuff that they can prepare?

545
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,840
Yeah, for transparency purposes for the public that might be tuning in right now, I also

546
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,560
sit on the Sustainability Committee, and I was a part of drafting this Climate Action Plan.

547
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,040
We have a meeting with Sustainability Committee next week, so it's something that I can bring up

548
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,120
during the meeting as possibly linking these initiatives to our pages, or at least providing some links

549
00:47:53,120 --> 00:48:02,260
on the Sustainability Committee page to our initiatives. Just something ideally uniform and consistent,

550
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:07,260
so that people know whether we're providing the updates to one location that

551
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:12,060
shares how's it or whether we are owning updates on our own source. I don't

552
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,800
care which one but it would be great if there was a solution that we knew how we

553
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,940
can kind of communicate that action. Do you yet have access to update our web page?

554
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,320
I do not but Sophia does. Okay great. Yeah. Sophia maybe can help us with that then.

555
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,580
Let me. Yeah, Tessley.

556
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,820
Yeah, if you were, if you're interested, actually Dan Kayne, do you

557
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:40,300
have any comments regarding this? Nope. All in favor. It's a great idea. Obviously,

558
00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:46,380
we should be an active part of this process. As far as web page, I actually almost suggest.

559
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,280
I love the idea of being able to link back to individual pieces. But I'm kind of a, I like being

560
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,400
things relatively central, both for us and for the public. Then if I'm interested in the Climate

561
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,240
action plan. I don't go to there and then go okay it's with the Board of Health is doing or

562
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:06,700
conservation or planning and having to go, go outside and see what other departments are doing.

563
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:15,100
I'd almost say where does it live and use that as the hub and have a link from Board of Health

564
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:21,640
or planning rather than a link out to, but that's just kind of my thought of having it, you know,

565
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,480
I go to the Board of Health, hey what do you guys do with the Climate Action Plan and our link is,

566
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,200
We may have some content, but it's really, let's go back to the climate action plan.

567
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:36,940
If sustainability is kind of the owner and we're all contributing in partners, then that

568
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:38,100
would be kind of my perspective.

569
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:43,060
I think it might be a bit easier to manage than having lots of us changing and then potentially

570
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:49,840
having mismatches of information in different places, but just two cents.

571
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:53,390
I like that.

572
00:49:55,740 --> 00:50:01,860
Would you all be open to finding the excerpt from the document pertaining to the Board of

573
00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:05,940
Health and our responsibilities with the Climate Action Plan and including it in a discussion

574
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:11,280
for our next meeting so we can start to move the chains forward and check some boxes and

575
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,660
get some things done in that regard.

576
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:18,260
And then, you know, maybe if you wouldn't mind being a Board of Health liaison to the Climate

577
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:22,240
Action Plan Committee and sustainability folks, that'd be great.

578
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,880
Yeah, that'd be great.

579
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:32,840
Thanks. You're there anyway. I mean, I'll just throw out the request to expand it. This is a

580
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:39,440
perfect example of something that is a focus that we need to work on, make effort over short-term

581
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,440
and long-term. And it parallels a lot of other things that we should also be working on, like regulation

582
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:52,040
updates and such like that. And so I just would love, I know we had a retreat some years ago and came

583
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,060
up with some visioning. I don't know if we have to do that again or if it's just a matter

584
00:50:57,060 --> 00:51:02,160
of making sure that we have some project management actually going on here so that it's not

585
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,760
just the, you know, current loudest wheel that we're focusing on, but we're not losing track

586
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,000
of all those other things. So I know we've talked a lot of times about having quarterly updates

587
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,200
where we talk about some data, but I think it's also important for us to say, okay, well,

588
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,720
Well, what is our roadmap for the next three months and what are those regulations or climate

589
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,720
action plan topics or things that we're going to focus on?

590
00:51:26,340 --> 00:51:26,440
Great.

591
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,460
Let's do this with the climate action plan for the next meeting and create that.

592
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:35,440
And then I would propose maybe at the following meeting, have a discussion about regulations

593
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:46,220
so that we can also put our homework lists together for regulations and we should address short-term

594
00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:50,060
and growth and our plans for the department should look.

595
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,760
So I think we could do a meeting on every single one of these

596
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,940
kind of topic areas to help build out the master plan

597
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,660
that the clerk owns.

598
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:07,790
I think that's a great idea.

599
00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:14,670
And I will bring something to the next meeting regarding

600
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:18,410
project management, Dr. Wason, and how we can best

601
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:20,010
to accomplish some of our goals.

602
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:31,280
Any comments or hands in the audience? No hands?

603
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:37,400
No, okay. We're going to move on to the discussion of data centers. Kelly, can you give us a

604
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,800
little bit of background on that? I will also give this back to Libby, Libby, one of its

605
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,200
on the agenda and she has background.

606
00:52:45,860 --> 00:52:47,400
I feel like it's something that boards have

607
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,880
published a way in on and we should sort of decide what our stance is as a board. I was asked

608
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:58,800
of participate in a working group of other town leadership, and I'm very happy to participate,

609
00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:03,160
but if I'm going to represent the board rather than myself as a private citizen, then I want

610
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,760
to make sure we have some consensus around what I'm advocating for. I will note that I advocated

611
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,680
for sustainability to have a seat in these meetings as well with the working group, and I will not

612
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,460
be representing the sustainability committee with the working group. I've asked that somebody else

613
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:19,700
from the sustainability, participate in that,

614
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,480
and so I'm just wearing a word of health hat.

615
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:23,100
If that's something that we have consensus on.

616
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:30,560
Great.

617
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,120
Can you explain to me what a data center is, please?

618
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:38,180
It's a place that uses a lot of resources right now

619
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:38,920
and a lot of water.

620
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:41,060
To do what?

621
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,160
I don't have the best definition of that.

622
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,620
I know it is something that AI depends on.

623
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:55,500
the cloud, things like that. Keep storage, computer machines.

624
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:58,420
Dan Cain, do you have a definition?

625
00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:03,140
I don't have a formal definition, but basically this is the world's biggest computer room.

626
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,940
Yeah. Size is range from a couple thousand square feet to hundreds of thousands of square feet.

627
00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:13,340
Server rack after server rack after server rack.

628
00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:19,360
The biggest community challenge with that other than simply size of facilities is energy

629
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:19,740
demand.

630
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:25,600
They obviously lots of computers require lots of electricity and they require lots and

631
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,320
lots of cooling.

632
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:30,820
So there's noise for cooling systems.

633
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:37,300
There also tends to be not just air conditioning kind of cooling systems, but active liquid cooling,

634
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:43,020
usually pulling water off of somebody of water and returning it slightly warmer than when

635
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:47,140
when it came out. I think obviously not to the scale, but think nuclear power play.

636
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,260
Dora and cold water indicate the cool and pumping it back out. It's a much smaller scale,

637
00:54:53,460 --> 00:55:00,140
but the similar process, so kind of the environmental impacts associated with the huge water draws

638
00:55:00,140 --> 00:55:06,400
either from the aquifer, or from the surface water, and obviously need to be big enough bodies

639
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:13,380
of surface water to be able to manage that heat dissipation and noise challenges and

640
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:17,840
just physical size, which is more obviously a planning piece, but certainly a concern for us.

641
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,840
But again, the easiest way to think of it is the world's biggest computer room.

642
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:25,630
I would say one of the main concerns that for public health is noise.

643
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:32,730
We do have a nuisance and for noise, and so that would be something that would sit on our plate

644
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:35,090
because we have to report to DEVYAMA.

645
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:44,050
Yeah, I also have like water and resource stream as a potential issue here.

646
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:50,210
I think something that is helpful for guiding our decision making is that

647
00:55:51,730 --> 00:55:58,650
Governor Moore Healy announced a pause on accepting data center sales tax exemption applications

648
00:55:58,650 --> 00:56:12,990
and provided a framework for municipalities to make some decisions on energy and infrastructure, water use, air quality, labor and jobs and community benefits.

649
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:30,290
I agree it's the water that also I question and who else really owns that and how do we design to make sure and evaluate that our aquifers are still able to supply the town of the residents and

650
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:35,670
Is that a calculation that exists out there that somebody owns, or is that something that

651
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:37,950
this board should be paying good attention?

652
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:43,410
So if the state can give us some guidance on how we can calculate that, I know the answers

653
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:46,110
are often, well, it's big down there underground.

654
00:56:46,290 --> 00:56:51,630
Who knows how big it is, but the more you then tap in and utilize that resource, unfortunately

655
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:53,090
you tend to find out it's gone when it's gone.

656
00:56:53,890 --> 00:56:55,990
So those are good points, thank you.

657
00:56:56,810 --> 00:57:01,750
I think I'd probably want to consult the MHB around forming some policy here, so they

658
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:07,050
might have some advice on sort of our boards unique role in being able to inform policy.

659
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:14,000
It's interesting.

660
00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:23,580
Has there been any talk about an actual data center in Littleton?

661
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,080
We currently have data centers in Littleton.

662
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,440
I know that there is at least one at 550 King Street.

663
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,860
I think there's another one somewhere else, but I forget the address.

664
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:34,060
Yes.

665
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,520
And do we know how much water they use?

666
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:45,870
No.

667
00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:52,550
I know the little 10 electric light in water is going to be part of these working group discussions.

668
00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:53,630
No, great.

669
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,460
Well, I think this is something we should certainly keep on our radar.

670
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,340
How do you want to move forward with this topic?

671
00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:10,800
Put it work on the project management list and keep it on there.

672
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:17,040
I think I'd like to consult with MHB. I don't know if they can tune into a meeting of ours and sort of help advise us.

673
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:20,460
Sure. I mean, I think New York State put a moratorium on data centers.

674
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:32,860
Yeah. I think that's something partly to work out with the working group too, because I know some towns or states have been sued over their moratoriums.

675
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:35,780
So yeah,

676
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,480
it looks like we may have a hand up in the audience. I'm just not positive.

677
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,100
Yep. Sorry.

678
00:58:47,790 --> 00:58:54,070
Joanne. Yes. Thank you. I'm worried about data centers.

679
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:56,910
I just stay your name and address for the record please.

680
00:58:57,350 --> 00:59:02,690
Of course. I'm Joanne Deary from Harvard Avenue and I worry about data centers.

681
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:07,510
they use a lot of electricity and we have really low electric rates which might

682
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:12,790
make little tend very attractive place for them to locate. I'm worried about the

683
00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:16,030
warm water being returned to the environment and the impacts that's going to

684
00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:22,270
have and I'm also worried about continuous noise like the home of fans which

685
00:59:22,270 --> 00:59:28,030
might not be like the right kind of loudness to violate an ordinance but it

686
00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:31,790
make people sick, and also lights that are on all night.

687
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:41,810
I'd really like to see little to not have any more data centers and no like a land covered

688
00:59:41,810 --> 00:59:45,030
up by them that's now trees or meadows or anything.

689
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:47,210
So just my two cents.

690
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,540
Thank you.

691
00:59:58,090 --> 00:59:59,410
so perhaps we can

692
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,060
As the topic becomes more frequently discussed and things start to happen. Yeah, if you guys on the loop. Great.

693
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:20,660
So we'll move on to the ID decision support tool. Dr. Wacen, do you have anything to present to us? Thank you. I do.

694
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,980
So the state level is now running kind of COVID on a calendar year. So it's started.

695
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:37,200
in July. So the vaccination data is from kind of last year, so that's done and gone, and there

696
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,700
will be a new season starting in August, I believe. The wastewater treatment levels that is

697
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:48,340
also shifted over. That's been a daily testing that's been going on for years now, and they have

698
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:54,080
scaled that back, and it's going to be weekly, I believe. Those numbers are still very low, very,

699
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:58,140
very low right now. They've been very, very low for quite some time. So the monitoring is going to

700
01:00:58,140 --> 01:00:59,540
to go to a slower cadence on that.

701
01:01:00,020 --> 01:01:00,800
I think that's the,

702
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,880
I'm sure there's a cost associated with this curious,

703
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,220
because that's probably a good leaving indicator,

704
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,420
but we still don't really have,

705
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,420
like the scientific evidence that says, yay or nay.

706
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,880
But I will also say that we went, you know,

707
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,360
most of the summer, a little thing without a,

708
01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:16,560
you know, officially diagnosed positive test,

709
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,140
but we now have three as of this most recent week.

710
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:24,600
So, there, COVID might be coming back for the fall.

711
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,420
I built too soon to tell that the count is non-zero anymore, so I have to mention that.

712
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,320
Vaccinations, I've heard on this repeatedly in the past, so this vaccination season is coming

713
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,300
soon, and so I will look to this board in our department to say what is our strategy

714
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:47,300
to improve upon our number of, we ended up with 18 percent for last season for COVID,

715
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:53,240
and our influenza vaccines will pop that open. I think that ended up at below 50 percent.

716
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,080
So, we'd love to see better vaccination rates for our community this fall.

717
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,260
I'm sure you all agree with me, right?

718
01:01:59,900 --> 01:01:59,980
Okay.

719
01:02:00,940 --> 01:02:04,160
Arbor virus update, triply still low.

720
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,100
There have been a couple of positive mosquito samples.

721
01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:13,220
South of Boston, but nothing remotely close to us.

722
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,620
So, triply season is knock on wood, still very mild and low.

723
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:25,880
West Nile virus is a little bit different. Little thin is still quite as low, but a few of our neighboring communities are moderate.

724
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:33,660
There have been now, I believe, two positive human cases in Middlesex County and multiple mosquito cases.

725
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,440
So West Nile might be starting to just spread more and more as we turn towards the fall.

726
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:42,760
So still take care and use your mosquito precautions out there.

727
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,740
Make sure you don't have to stay anybody's water or make sure you're using

728
01:02:45,740 --> 01:02:53,620
I mean, bug spray is idealty and watching yourself, especially in those early evening and

729
01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:56,520
dusk hours when the ski activity is quite high.

730
01:02:58,060 --> 01:03:02,060
And then, obviously, we're out of the respiratory season, so no updates there.

731
01:03:05,330 --> 01:03:05,750
That's what I got.

732
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:08,090
Thank you very much.

733
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,660
So moving on, I wanted to talk about meeting minute approvals.

734
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:23,420
We have them in our packet. Hopefully everyone had a chance to go through them.

735
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,180
And we can start with

736
01:03:29,420 --> 01:03:34,160
for sanity purposes. Can we go in a chronological order like they're on the packet as opposed to

737
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:39,000
agenda order like their backwards. So we have May 27th, 2026.

738
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:43,800
We are able to vote on this one tonight.

739
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:59,750
And here's a question. Give anything. Go ahead, Dan.

740
01:04:00,590 --> 01:04:06,290
But I'm not sure what the board's take is, obviously since these are official records

741
01:04:06,290 --> 01:04:12,670
of board actions, I'm not sure if we want to stick with first names for all the discussion

742
01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:13,050
points.

743
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:19,490
If we want to maybe make that slightly more formal, Dan said, Kevin said, particularly we

744
01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:27,470
have two cabins for many of ours that can be confusing, I'm not sure, again, I'm not

745
01:04:27,470 --> 01:04:33,090
I'm not a Mr. Cain person, but there are times when being slightly more formal, particularly

746
01:04:33,090 --> 01:04:39,670
in your permanent record, may be a little bit clearer, particularly with two cabins.

747
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:46,870
But just a thought, I'm not sure what the board's thoughts are if anybody has any thoughts.

748
01:04:47,230 --> 01:04:55,430
Anyone opposed or interested in changing the way our names are presented in the minutes?

749
01:04:56,270 --> 01:05:03,110
I had the same response to Dan, as I read it, I just felt like, oh, okay, maybe we should

750
01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:07,570
just formalize that, then Kelly, and moving forward, just have it be, you know, Mr. and Mrs.

751
01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:09,330
Sure.

752
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:13,090
I can let Sophia know if she takes her minutes, in short, she would not mind.

753
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:14,130
Okay.

754
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:19,550
As I'm reading that first line for that first one of 18 long lake, Daniel asked Dan, like,

755
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:21,210
very confusing.

756
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:29,770
I believe Ted was a Ted do set representing 19 Christina Street. There was

757
01:05:29,770 --> 01:05:32,290
a question mark as to his last name and the members of the public.

758
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:35,650
I don't recall.

759
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:50,210
I know members of the public if they don't participate then you don't potentially know. So

760
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:54,070
I'm not sure if that's members of the public president or members of the public that participated.

761
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,740
participated. I guess it's participated because they're in the media. I know we say present

762
01:06:00,740 --> 01:06:05,420
because we're all obviously just on the meeting, but that's not something I've ever noticed

763
01:06:05,420 --> 01:06:10,340
but should that actually be members of the public who participated because there could

764
01:06:10,340 --> 01:06:12,860
be other people watching. I don't know. Maybe it's split air.

765
01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:18,360
No, no, I would agree that that reads of everybody in the audience who are obviously with the

766
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,660
select board, they're not going to go around and get names of everybody in 103 for a meeting.

767
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:27,520
that's, you know, it's really going to be anybody who participated, presented, spoke.

768
01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:30,060
So, yeah, we may just want to clarify.

769
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,200
Yeah, we need to change that, change that language on that, on that fourth line there,

770
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,900
members of the public that had participated. That would be great.

771
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,420
And then my only other was a formatting thing on public hearing,

772
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:46,300
19 Christian street. The following line is also bolded, which I know some of the other

773
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:49,440
minutes start to have some more bolding, but this one didn't, so I would just say,

774
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:54,240
Unbulled that, Ted representing 19th Christine Street.

775
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:04,420
I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes as presented and edited as discussed here in this meeting.

776
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:07,460
I'll second.

777
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,100
Roll call vote, Matt Waisen.

778
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,340
Matt Waisen, yes.

779
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:12,360
Daniel Kane.

780
01:07:13,060 --> 01:07:14,180
Dan Kane wrote, yes.

781
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:15,440
I'll leave you down again.

782
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,000
I'll leave you down again, yes.

783
01:07:21,060 --> 01:07:24,260
Next, we can do June 24th meeting minutes.

784
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:34,000
and I will have to abstain from this, so let me know if there's a motion.

785
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:42,160
I'd like to suggest some amendments to the minutes for that meeting.

786
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:46,980
I know Sophia had sent my request to you guys a while back.

787
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:50,300
I'm not sure if you remember getting the email for that.

788
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,720
I was just making sure that certain things were captured to help with public trust in our appointment of Kelly.

789
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:08,280
some transparency there, so let's see. In the minutes, it said, Matt said one applicant

790
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,660
was interviewed based on standard procedure, and I would like to amend this to state. Based

791
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:19,260
on standard procedure, Matt explained similarly to hiring Francis that position was posted

792
01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:24,480
and opened for two weeks. It's the typical process. There were multiple applicants. Applicants

793
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:30,340
were reviewed and we as a board who were involved in the process as well as other participants

794
01:08:30,340 --> 01:08:34,640
from town. We came to the decision Kelly was the most qualified candidate and that was

795
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,260
the one we wanted to move forward with. So just to amend it to say that and there was

796
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:41,400
another section.

797
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,440
Kelly introduced herself to the attendees and I wanted to amend it to

798
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:53,260
say Kelly introduced herself to little 10. Libby mentioned people wanted to know if Kelly

799
01:08:53,260 --> 01:09:00,720
would be committed to our town and she assumed since Kelly was on the call, she is committed.

800
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,680
Kelly said she grew up in little tin and loves the town and Libby said that was good

801
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,880
to hear and Dan Cain said growing up in little tin is hopefully a strong in endorsement

802
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,540
of commitment anyone could ask for.

803
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,500
So just to sort of capture that,

804
01:09:18,940 --> 01:09:19,580
that's it.

805
01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:25,600
Libby, if those are voted on, can you send those to me if you have the written?

806
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:26,400
Yeah.

807
01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:27,300
Thank you.

808
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:30,600
Dr. Wesson, if you can give us a so-moved, I

809
01:09:34,830 --> 01:09:38,370
kind of had similar, just it felt a bit brief

810
01:09:38,370 --> 01:09:45,370
based upon the gravity of the conversation, but I don't know, Libby, if you re-watched

811
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:50,390
it and transcribed what you just said, in which case I'm in favor of that.

812
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:58,250
Yeah, Kevin Davis, it actually sent me LCTV script, and so that's what I used was this transcribed

813
01:09:58,250 --> 01:10:01,390
LCTV script probably from AI.

814
01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:06,220
It seemed to match what we experienced.

815
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:07,840
That sounds accurate then, yes.

816
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Any

817
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:14,540
other questions, comments, additions?

818
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:16,540
Dan K.

819
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:23,540
Yeah, just again, as Matt had said, that are kind of our bowling pattern tends to two very

820
01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:26,560
minutes to minutes, and this one has multiple places that are bolded.

821
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:28,780
Some for action items.

822
01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:30,720
Some just seem to be items.

823
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:39,960
we want to maybe clarify that. Again, not critical for third paragraph,

824
01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:45,280
Dane Kane, common error, but drop that extra e on Dan,

825
01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:56,330
Cockney Rimey slang, you know. And and for this, I would say if this one I I kind

826
01:10:56,330 --> 01:11:00,210
of like the bold it calls things out that we are supposed to kind of like follow up

827
01:11:00,210 --> 01:11:05,070
as long as we do consistently. Yeah, I'm okay. Yeah, just I think you just need

828
01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:08,070
to pick a format that we want to stick with,

829
01:11:08,170 --> 01:11:09,390
I've got no problem with it,

830
01:11:09,730 --> 01:11:12,670
as long as we're consistent or as consistent as possible with it.

831
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:13,750
Yep.

832
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:19,690
I can meet with Sophia and we can come up

833
01:11:19,690 --> 01:11:22,010
with a consistent pattern for you guys.

834
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:25,150
And I'll still pass on, like I said last year,

835
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:27,370
in some way, like the minutes are great.

836
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:29,650
Like the information in here is,

837
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:31,850
it's not as I've seen the long time.

838
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:35,750
So now we're nitpicking and having higher expectations.

839
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:39,350
Which is annoying, but a good problem to have.

840
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:41,150
I

841
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:51,360
will make a motion then to accept the minutes for June 24th with the changes specifically

842
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,840
described by Liddy and Dan.

843
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:55,540
I'll second.

844
01:11:57,540 --> 01:11:59,660
Motion and second roll call vote, Liddy Donigan.

845
01:12:00,340 --> 01:12:01,380
Liddy Donigan, yes.

846
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:02,780
Dr. Wiesen.

847
01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:04,120
May I wait for you, yes?

848
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:06,980
Dan Cane, both yes.

849
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:08,820
Kevin Baker abstains.

850
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,800
Moving on, we have July 22nd meeting minutes.

851
01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:24,450
Dr. Wayson, any questions, comments, concerns,

852
01:12:24,670 --> 01:12:25,330
edits, changes?

853
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:35,200
This is not that it just, the way it struck me. I don't know if we've historically

854
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:40,360
used the phrase vote past unanimously or if we could put the vote count. There's the piece of

855
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:45,780
me that just feels like, when I see unanimous, I feel like it's all of us, but I mean like this,

856
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:52,220
there were only three members present. So like the prior minutes, we just approved that one said

857
01:12:52,840 --> 01:13:00,520
the motion passed four dash zero. I personally would feel like reporting votes in terms of the

858
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:09,000
score. I don't know. I can be swayed by the way. It's a unique thing that is just how does that

859
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,020
strike me and see that. I like that too, Matt. I think it makes it more clear.

860
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,180
Or Pasfer didn't because obviously the votes are right there,

861
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,220
so we could obviously look, but no, I agree.

862
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,120
Then just including the members of the public that participated instead of

863
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,140
that were present in the top header,

864
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:35,020
would there be any changes or edits to this one?

865
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,040
No, probably just more of the same with falling a pattern.

866
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:51,440
Okay, great. Well, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for July 22nd with the edits discussed here tonight.

867
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,080
I'll second the motion. Okay, we'll have a roll call vote. Libby Donigan.

868
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,580
Libby Donigan, yes.

869
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,020
That way, son.

870
01:14:00,460 --> 01:14:01,100
That way, son, yes.

871
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:02,300
Dan Kane.

872
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,040
Dan Kane of states.

873
01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:06,160
And Kevin Baker votes, yes.

874
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:10,600
And we'll move on to August 12th's meeting minutes.

875
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:18,380
and assuming we'll want all the same formatting up in the header with the members of the

876
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:19,880
public that have participated.

877
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:25,600
I would like to make a motion to push this off for further review.

878
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:28,870
I'll second that motion.

879
01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:30,450
We'll call the Libby Donning.

880
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:32,230
Libby Donning and yes.

881
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:34,690
Dr. Wieson.

882
01:14:35,470 --> 01:14:36,130
I'm Luis Dines.

883
01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:37,410
Dan Cain.

884
01:14:38,290 --> 01:14:39,070
Dan Cain votes yes.

885
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:40,970
And Kevin Baker votes yes.

886
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:41,850
And

887
01:14:49,980 --> 01:14:51,800
on to Correspondence.

888
01:14:53,530 --> 01:14:54,490
Anyone have anything?

889
01:15:02,420 --> 01:15:11,940
Okay. We got an email. So it came to Kevin and I from Kelly. I love having fresh blood and

890
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:20,380
enthusiastic folks working with it. It's wonderful. I appreciate all the guys and talking about

891
01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:24,260
things beyond Title V because that's obviously an important part of what we do, but it's great

892
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:30,160
seeing things other than just another Title V variants. But you know, so certainly I think

893
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:38,460
this is a great opportunity for us to kind of reset a bit. We have a new director in the department.

894
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:42,580
We're trying to still look at the future. We've had some barriers in the past, but we're trying

895
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:47,900
to look at the future of how best to move forward as a department and as a board. So the suggestion

896
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:53,380
to really talk to the mass association of health boards, MAHB, which we've heard a number of times

897
01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:59,400
tonight has volunteered to come out to one of our meetings. Talk a little bit about roles of

898
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:05,200
health boards. I went through their new member orientation a very, very, very, very long

899
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,920
time ago when I was in Bureka. But that scope of things we don't necessarily think about

900
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,800
it's easy to come into a board that's existing. And, oh, I guess this is what we do. And

901
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,820
there are lots of pieces that boards of health have responsibilities for that you may not

902
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:22,680
be aware of until someone tells you that, oh, yeah, no, here's, you know, here's the

903
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,920
The national laws, here's the, you know, code of regulations.

904
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,180
Here are things that boards are responsible for, and there are the experts that can help

905
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:38,980
us kind of really look at both scope of responsibility from a state regulatory piece, places where we

906
01:16:38,980 --> 01:16:44,020
have probably local responsibility that we might not necessarily be acting on, or be an advocate

907
01:16:44,020 --> 01:16:48,980
for our communities on the behalf, simply because we're not aware of that something that should

908
01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:53,100
land on us. And the other piece, obviously, as we're starting to build out a department,

909
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:59,340
we have Kelly as a subject matter expert in the office. But if we can kind of utilize

910
01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:07,280
them as well as, okay, how best to remove from a regional two years ago to bring things

911
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,200
in-house and being the most successful, what things belong with board members, what things

912
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,820
belong with board officers, what things belong with the department. And really kind of almost

913
01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:22,780
the line between the select board approach a few years ago of where's board, where's professional

914
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:30,620
town hall staff and how do those lines exist and where do we not cross of utilizing them.

915
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,960
And it's not like they volunteered to come out and visit with us in a meeting to talk

916
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:36,640
about one.

917
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:40,700
We can answer some of our technical subject matter questions for data centers and climate

918
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:46,740
but also just provide some input guidance whether we choose to take that guidance or not,

919
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,720
but have the opportunity to ask some questions of, you know, and get some ideas of how we can best move forward.

920
01:17:53,020 --> 01:17:58,080
I think it was awesome and I would love to see if we can as a board make that happen now that we've got the offer from them.

921
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,420
They're willing to come out and help or talk to us.

922
01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:06,020
You know what, the worst we say is great come talk to us and we can choose not to listen to anything they say,

923
01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:08,520
but we don't know what we don't know until we know it.

924
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:08,960
Yeah,

925
01:18:15,710 --> 01:18:16,210
thank you. That's great.

926
01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:23,910
I'm looking forward to sitting down with the MHB and getting informed.

927
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:30,550
Do you think we can get them on our agenda for our next meeting?

928
01:18:31,210 --> 01:18:33,090
I think it would be helpful to have.

929
01:18:33,090 --> 01:18:37,030
Yeah, I can get them on the agenda for our next meeting.

930
01:18:37,230 --> 01:18:43,690
I would suggest that you keep that meeting agenda very light and just have mainly them.

931
01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:55,470
So postponing sort of your well-regulation, postponing all those things that we've already talked about putting on our next meeting, so that it opens up room for you guys to ask as many questions as you would like.

932
01:18:56,490 --> 01:19:00,410
That would be my suggestion, but completely up to you.

933
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:16,020
That makes sense. Yeah, but let's use that time to make sure we have those well regulations ready to be executed. Yeah, worked on on the 23rd of September.

934
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,000
Yep.

935
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,840
Just as part of that, Kelly, do you because you obviously have a better sense kind of where we are?

936
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:31,940
Do we do have anything in the pipeline for public hearings for various requests and those kind of things that we have?

937
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:38,320
I would hate to put off residence for their pieces for administrative one, but if we

938
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:43,400
look like we have much or there's nothing that we anticipate in a couple of weeks.

939
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,980
See, we have one for 20 orchids.

940
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:54,260
It's not a very big variance request, so I think you'll be fine to just kind of push through

941
01:19:54,260 --> 01:19:56,620
that variance request before we meet with MHV.

942
01:19:56,620 --> 01:20:00,280
So, I'll keep them on because I already did promise them that they could go on the next

943
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:00,660
agenda.

944
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,260
But it's not, I don't think it's going to be a big discussion.

945
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:05,900
All right.

946
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:06,340
No, great.

947
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:06,720
Thank you.

948
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,560
That's exactly kind of what I was thinking.

949
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:09,040
Yeah.

950
01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:10,040
I would hate to make them wait.

951
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:12,260
So, that's it.

952
01:20:12,460 --> 01:20:12,720
Thank you.

953
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:13,200
Yeah.

954
01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:14,140
Of course.

955
01:20:19,450 --> 01:20:20,210
And a correspondence?

956
01:20:20,530 --> 01:20:21,270
Livy, did you have something?

957
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:22,530
Yeah.

958
01:20:22,710 --> 01:20:28,490
I received some other correspondence, Kelly and I were copied on some communication threads

959
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:35,210
It's between a concerned citizen's group that's interested in passing an anti-quagulant

960
01:20:35,210 --> 01:20:36,610
redenticide ban.

961
01:20:38,230 --> 01:20:45,490
I know that Dustin Neal with a littleton conservation trust reached out to me and they're hopeful

962
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:53,050
that we will see public benefit from a citizen's petition for a home role petition and local

963
01:20:53,050 --> 01:20:59,210
municipal property ban of hero's second generation anticoagulant were

964
01:20:59,210 --> 01:21:05,190
denticides but in another email they kind of talked about how just a ban on

965
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:10,930
first and second might be what they're looking for. And I know that there's a

966
01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:15,250
question about whether or not our board could sponsor this concerned citizens

967
01:21:15,250 --> 01:21:18,450
group to get it on the warrant for town meeting.

968
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:25,860
Yeah I think they should come

969
01:21:25,860 --> 01:21:27,200
for a discussion on it.

970
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:31,750
They are here, I believe.

971
01:21:32,210 --> 01:21:32,570
Oh, great.

972
01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:40,410
All right, I'll join Deary from Harvard Avenue again.

973
01:21:40,610 --> 01:21:43,790
I'm also from the Little Finn Conservation Trust

974
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:47,530
and to get it onto the Autumn Town Meeting,

975
01:21:48,090 --> 01:21:51,510
we need to have 100 signatures in our article written

976
01:21:52,210 --> 01:21:56,470
by and submitted by the 11th of September, which we really

977
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:57,190
want to do.

978
01:21:57,550 --> 01:21:59,490
And we've been working with people who

979
01:21:59,490 --> 01:22:07,930
past similar town meeting articles in Maynard and Air so we kind of have the

980
01:22:07,930 --> 01:22:14,430
language they crafted and we're gonna use that to make hours but I guess we

981
01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:19,050
were wondering like do you know if anyone else in town is working on something

982
01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:26,450
like this no and would the Board of Health be able to support this kind of

983
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:32,990
effort to eliminate these anticoagulant or the intersides there. They're terrible for a wildlife

984
01:22:32,990 --> 01:22:39,530
like they have a long half-life both in the target animals like mice and so on and also in soil

985
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:48,990
and water so they have really long-term knock-on effects on hawks and owls and foxes and kids and dogs

986
01:22:48,990 --> 01:22:56,370
and cats so we have to vote on it. Yes I would imagine so but we don't have anything to give

987
01:22:56,370 --> 01:23:02,750
to you tonight. Ellie? Yeah, I just want to say I have never seen a board of health sponsor

988
01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:08,510
in article, a citizen's article at a town meeting. So that might be something that we want to talk

989
01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:18,210
to MHB about. I think you could probably give your verbal support, but I've never seen an article

990
01:23:18,210 --> 01:23:25,150
be actually sponsored by the board of health. So I would advise the board to check with,

991
01:23:25,150 --> 01:23:29,430
to get some advice on that prior to actually making some action.

992
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:32,770
And Joanne, I think it's a great idea, but that is one of them.

993
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:34,610
Okay, thank you so much.

994
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:34,650
Thank you so much.

995
01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:35,730
Kind of what we were wondering.

996
01:23:36,430 --> 01:23:36,810
Yeah.

997
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:40,930
We were working with the Select Board too, with Karen and Mark.

998
01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:47,770
And they, I think, want the littleton conservation trust to be the ones that bring this article forward.

999
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:54,030
But Mark's going to help us craft it and, you know, get something that is likely to pass.

1000
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:59,650
another question that I had for the Board of Health, is there a way to find out

1001
01:23:59,650 --> 01:24:05,410
where on-town property like what town departments are using these kinds of

1002
01:24:05,410 --> 01:24:11,850
identity sides? I've seen the stuff at the post office, I've seen it in summer

1003
01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:16,530
time around schools but not in a couple of years I've been there but there's a lot

1004
01:24:16,530 --> 01:24:20,950
of other town buildings and I didn't know if there's a way to find out like is it

1005
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:24,370
used in how much is the town spending to use the stuff?

1006
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,180
To answer that question, I would

1007
01:24:29,180 --> 01:24:35,280
check with the D&PW. They mainly do the majority of our grounds. So I would check with them

1008
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,700
for the schools, obviously, check with the school department.

1009
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:43,790
Because I don't think there's a permitting

1010
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:51,790
requirement through Board of Health or conservation or anything for it. For using those, I think you're right,

1011
01:24:51,790 --> 01:25:02,210
There isn't. I guess that's pretty much all the questions that I had. I think Dustin might also be in this call. I don't know if he has anything else to add.

1012
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:07,160
Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

1013
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:08,560
Yes.

1014
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:16,460
Okay. Great. Thanks. Dustin, Nailed 17, Lakeshore Drive. I'm also a current president of Littleton Conservation Trust. Thanks, Joanne, for summarizing.

1015
01:25:16,460 --> 01:25:21,380
Our intent is really to do two things with VS citizen petition.

1016
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:26,620
One is to petition the state legislature for what's called a home rule petition.

1017
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:33,600
So the town cannot by law do a ban on stuff like that on private property.

1018
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:39,120
So the way that it works is we would be petitioning the state legislature to allow it.

1019
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:44,120
More than 20 other towns and Massachusetts have done so successfully already

1020
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:49,200
in submitting a home rule petition, but the state legislature is not prone to

1021
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:54,440
approving them on a one-by-one kind of mishmash basis. Instead what it seems

1022
01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:57,760
like is happening at the state level is that they're moving toward sort of an

1023
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:03,800
opt-in plan where if something wider is passed at the state level, then towns would

1024
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:08,520
be able to vote in order to opt-in to a rodenticide ban, but if we're able to do

1025
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:12,800
the home rule petition in advance, that would basically set it up so that the

1026
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:17,120
moment that passes at the state level, Littleton has already opted in, so it's really more

1027
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:22,960
of a future-looking thing to be a wider town than, and then secondly is the sort of more

1028
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:28,680
immediate and local true restriction on municipal properties, and we'll certainly be reaching

1029
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:35,340
out to, it seems to me, the obvious local entities are highway because the transfer station

1030
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:40,580
in particular, Park and Rec, possibly because there's, you know, food and facilities and

1031
01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:45,740
things like that at some of their events and of course the schools curious if you guys

1032
01:26:45,740 --> 01:26:51,310
have any advice about the perspective of those groups.

1033
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:56,630
If you have any feedback possibly from around town, I know in the Long Lake neighborhood

1034
01:26:56,630 --> 01:27:01,530
we are not rat free as we have plenty of neighbors with chickens and things like that.

1035
01:27:02,210 --> 01:27:05,570
I would say those things have ramped up a little bit so it would certainly be valid concerns

1036
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:08,150
that we want to take care of things but the right way.

1037
01:27:08,150 --> 01:27:14,130
So, um, we definitely be, you know, all years for any, uh, comments or guidance you have,

1038
01:27:14,230 --> 01:27:17,990
whether it's historical comments from the public or watch out for things like that, but

1039
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:21,730
we certainly would appreciate your support, even if it's just sort of conceptually verbal

1040
01:27:21,730 --> 01:27:25,350
at this point, so that we could say, you know, for example, that the Board of Health is

1041
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:29,010
supportive of the effort, generally speaking, as we go to collecting interest and things

1042
01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:29,850
like that.

1043
01:27:40,090 --> 01:27:46,230
As you say, certainly, I think lots of us have bits of knowledge around it and the concerns.

1044
01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:52,490
I think obviously it would be hard for us to take action tonight, and certainly, I personally

1045
01:27:52,490 --> 01:27:57,690
would love more formal understanding of what your goals are and what the background is

1046
01:27:57,690 --> 01:28:01,590
of why before taking an action, but I'm with you in principle.

1047
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:08,330
As far as municipal properties, I can't speak to what other departments do, but I would,

1048
01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:12,650
it's not like you're already working with the select board, and I think that would probably make the most sense,

1049
01:28:12,990 --> 01:28:18,210
because it would be hard if school says, you know, okay, we're not going to use it, but DPW says we are going to use it,

1050
01:28:18,710 --> 01:28:23,970
and parks and directs as we, it's, we're back to that mishmash, same kind of approach from the state.

1051
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:28,870
I've wanted to have a consistent message that, you know, it seemed like, if it's municipal property,

1052
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:36,970
there probably be select board level of this is our policy either way probably be the most logical

1053
01:28:36,970 --> 01:28:42,550
approach to trying to repeat the wheel multiple times with every body that governs

1054
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:46,410
type of property. And if I may just to be clear, um, uh,

1055
01:28:47,290 --> 01:28:51,990
select board member, Ronbacher sort of said, yes, he's, you know, supportive of it,

1056
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:55,270
but he wanted to make sure we make you guys aware as well, so we're kind of here in his direction also.

1057
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:56,290
Can

1058
01:28:58,310 --> 01:29:03,370
I just ask a quick question? Obviously, it's a health issue, but obviously, it's a conservation

1059
01:29:03,370 --> 01:29:08,390
trust. It's a conservation issue as well that while it has potential effects for our

1060
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:17,230
human residents, it really has a more immediate concern for Florida and Fawna, that this conservation

1061
01:29:17,230 --> 01:29:24,210
has a perspective whether it's to be the sponsoring board for Tommy Warren or taking

1062
01:29:24,210 --> 01:29:30,110
action under conservation authority have they are they kind of part of this process as well

1063
01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:35,310
I hadn't heard anything mentioned from them. The Conservation Commission? Yes, sorry. Thank you.

1064
01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:41,630
We haven't talked to them directly yet but the Conservation Trust angle is certainly about the

1065
01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:45,830
health of wildlife and of course we have lots of properties that we have neighbors too as well so

1066
01:29:46,650 --> 01:29:51,570
our angle there is certainly that as much of a ban as we can get helps benefit

1067
01:29:51,570 --> 01:29:56,890
that all of the conservation properties in town, which as you know are kind of patchwork

1068
01:29:56,890 --> 01:29:58,670
all over for better or worse.

1069
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,730
That's what we're coming from. I'm sure we'll be able to have their support as well, but we haven't got period now. Thank you. Have you done it?

1070
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:31,090
I guess I'd want to make sure that, like personally, I support or identify ban not speaking for the board, but just on behalf of myself for some of the reasons that you've listed. I just want to make sure that with Kelly at the Health Department, that if we do create some policy around this or

1071
01:30:31,090 --> 01:30:35,610
band on red anticides that when we're talking about some of the developments in town around

1072
01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:40,610
550 King Street, the senior housing across the street from that and the Shakerling Building

1073
01:30:40,610 --> 01:30:46,930
Project. I know that can sort of displace rodents and create an issue for people in surrounding

1074
01:30:46,930 --> 01:30:53,850
neighborhoods with the septic project downtown. I know that sort of displaced a number of rodents

1075
01:30:53,850 --> 01:31:00,830
kind of towards my neighborhood off of Goldsmith. So I want to make sure that we, as a health

1076
01:31:00,830 --> 01:31:05,550
Department or you know me the conservation trust can put out some messaging to the public

1077
01:31:05,550 --> 01:31:09,570
about safer alternatives. And I just want to make sure we have a tool to sort of manage

1078
01:31:09,570 --> 01:31:14,770
things in the event that a number of rodents are displaced and we need to manage things.

1079
01:31:15,150 --> 01:31:20,650
Yeah, it's certainly our intention to do so. We've collected lots of helpful materials from

1080
01:31:20,650 --> 01:31:25,690
other towns that have been successful in this regard in particular. Air and

1081
01:31:26,490 --> 01:31:30,750
And the main area I think locally have contributed quite a bit of that stuff to us.

1082
01:31:32,490 --> 01:31:32,870
Thank you.

1083
01:31:37,940 --> 01:31:44,760
I think what the Board of Health can do now to help if it so chooses or pleases is to adopt

1084
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:50,980
a formal resolution under its general power to make reasonable health regulations, documenting

1085
01:31:50,980 --> 01:31:57,280
the risks of these poisons for primary and secondary poisoning, make some recommendations

1086
01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:04,440
and put it in a document that we can deliver to the Select Board and help the cause.

1087
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:12,960
And if I may ask that that also include any information you may have about

1088
01:32:13,340 --> 01:32:16,080
rodent-borne illness that may or may not be present in the community.

1089
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:20,540
I don't personally know of any, but I think it's fair of people to ask if that's the case.

1090
01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:23,380
And it would be great to say that there is none or it's a metamolar.

1091
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,260
It's within typical, you know, thresholds, things like that.

1092
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,220
If we have that data, Kelly, I don't know if we have that data.

1093
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:35,540
We would probably have that data, but we haven't had anything come through our data system.

1094
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:38,120
Okay.

1095
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:38,860
I was on a radar.

1096
01:32:39,060 --> 01:32:39,600
I appreciate it.

1097
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:51,700
So it was a deadline for the Board of Health to have a resolution for something like this

1098
01:32:51,700 --> 01:32:55,040
if it chooses to do so by September 11th?

1099
01:32:57,790 --> 01:33:00,150
I don't know if there's a deadline for the Board of Health.

1100
01:33:00,390 --> 01:33:06,030
The deadline for the Conservation Trust is sponsoring an organization to get it on the

1101
01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:12,970
warrant is September 11th. If you wanted to have your support shown it wouldn't

1102
01:33:12,970 --> 01:33:17,370
have to happen by September 11th. Town meeting is I think it's in November.

1103
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:22,120
Okay.

1104
01:33:29,090 --> 01:33:33,390
If we can have a discussion about a resolution, if the board so chooses to

1105
01:33:33,390 --> 01:33:38,910
make one, that can be included in the materials for the town meeting.

1106
01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:41,890
If the board chooses.

1107
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,580
Kelly, if you wouldn't mind adding that on our

1108
01:33:46,580 --> 01:33:48,940
September 23rd agenda to

1109
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,300
discuss that and we'll try and include something in the packet.

1110
01:33:54,420 --> 01:33:59,760
And maybe we can talk about this with MHB to get some guidance on it as well.

1111
01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:06,440
Excellent. Thank you, Dustin. Thank you, Joanne.

1112
01:34:07,180 --> 01:34:08,640
Thank you very much. Thank you.

1113
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,160
Any other correspondence,

1114
01:34:14,330 --> 01:34:15,230
Dr. Wason?

1115
01:34:15,230 --> 01:34:22,210
quasi-correspondence, it was anonymous basically. Next door, more than once I've seen basically

1116
01:34:22,210 --> 01:34:28,210
somebody move into the community and ask, on next door, who halls trash? We have

1117
01:34:28,210 --> 01:34:33,910
trash rags, we have a list and a computer somewhere of those companies that are authorized

1118
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:40,230
to do so, but do we have a way for members of our community to find the names of those

1119
01:34:40,230 --> 01:34:45,490
places. I know we do not want to live like we are sponsored anything or

1120
01:34:45,490 --> 01:34:50,870
promoted anything but I feel like is there not a way we can open up what

1121
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:54,070
you're referring to is the list of trash haulers that have paid their

1122
01:34:54,070 --> 01:35:03,270
permissive right right yeah so that it's accurate all the time yeah no we can

1123
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:08,490
I can probably down I'll try and see how to download a list of who be

1124
01:35:08,490 --> 01:35:10,770
permitted, and I can post that on our website.

1125
01:35:11,570 --> 01:35:15,610
And I assume those institutions give us a phone number so that we can provide the

1126
01:35:15,610 --> 01:35:21,570
phone number next to it to help just, I don't know if it comes on the report, but they

1127
01:35:21,570 --> 01:35:21,810
should.

1128
01:35:22,510 --> 01:35:26,390
It would be who then to give us a working phone number if they want to help get customers

1129
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:26,870
that way.

1130
01:35:27,730 --> 01:35:28,190
Also true.

1131
01:35:30,130 --> 01:35:30,610
That's all.

1132
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:35,270
Yeah, I can put that on our website, I'll figure that out.

1133
01:35:38,500 --> 01:35:38,940
Thank you.

1134
01:35:38,940 --> 01:35:40,280
No problem.

1135
01:35:42,300 --> 01:35:48,520
Any other board member updates, comments for discussion or public input? Dan

1136
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:48,680
came.

1137
01:35:52,020 --> 01:36:00,060
You're muted. Yeah, I'm doing so well tonight. Well, you know me, I'm pretty

1138
01:36:00,060 --> 01:36:07,440
chatty, so I'm in chatting mood. So a couple things, one, around our agenda, timeliness,

1139
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:14,280
packets, public hearing notices. Again, we've kind of turned over. That institutional

1140
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:20,180
knowledge is not lost but needs to be reset a bit as we've turned over directors and

1141
01:36:20,180 --> 01:36:24,700
administrative staff of, you know, just, I think at this point, it's probably some

1142
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:30,260
down to Kelly and Sophia. I'm sure your knowledge is great but just touching base with Tom

1143
01:36:30,260 --> 01:36:36,300
Clark to make sure that our process is compliant with hearing notices and what needs to be in

1144
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:40,340
paper what needs to be on the bulletin board, what needs to be on the website, as far as

1145
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:46,580
public hearings, and what needs to be included on agendas to be making sure that we are

1146
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:50,560
compliant with open meeting as far as topic to be discussed, not just addresses, those

1147
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:51,520
kind of basic things.

1148
01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:57,790
And let us know what the board may need to do to facilitate that

1149
01:36:57,790 --> 01:37:03,230
process, or if that is a town hall professional staff piece. But that would probably be really,

1150
01:37:03,230 --> 01:37:08,590
really helpful. And from the board side, you know, so certainly we had a challenge

1151
01:37:08,590 --> 01:37:11,930
couple of weeks ago because Kevin was away. Good for you, absolutely okay, being away.

1152
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:17,010
But just wanted to make sure we communicate with each other that if we're not able to

1153
01:37:17,010 --> 01:37:22,170
or don't anticipate being able to get to emails, you know, on a regular basis and we get that,

1154
01:37:22,270 --> 01:37:25,970
we're all there. I've been there as well. Just make sure we communicate with each other

1155
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:33,110
so that we're covering each other's responsibilities so that, you know, we as a board are

1156
01:37:33,110 --> 01:37:40,950
still functioning as we need to without basically having one person be, you know, the yes or no,

1157
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:45,630
the liver die kind of kind of role. And I also, that's for, you know, at the moment that

1158
01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:50,190
we've, many of us on the screen have been chair and have been that seat that, you know,

1159
01:37:50,290 --> 01:37:53,890
for Kevin, we don't want everything that necessarily have, lots of things have to go through

1160
01:37:53,890 --> 01:37:57,650
Kevin. But if there are things that don't need to go through Kevin or that he can delegate

1161
01:37:57,650 --> 01:38:01,870
or need to delegate, we just need to make sure we're working together as a team to make

1162
01:38:01,870 --> 01:38:08,590
sure those things happen so that yeah everything's not going to one place if it doesn't need to or simply hey yeah

1163
01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:13,250
I'm going away and I don't really want to be thinking about the Board of Health agenda for two weeks from now

1164
01:38:13,690 --> 01:38:19,470
while I'm in you know the South of France I'm not going to South of France but those kind of pieces that

1165
01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:24,910
that's perfectly appropriate simply say I'm away Dan your vice chair when the agenda comes out

1166
01:38:24,910 --> 01:38:30,070
handle it or you know it goes to Libya or whoever but just make sure that we're working together

1167
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:32,070
to make sure we're covering each other's roles,

1168
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:34,610
responsibilities, just to, because again,

1169
01:38:34,710 --> 01:38:36,650
it takes a village, so let's take care of each other

1170
01:38:36,650 --> 01:38:38,110
as well, because we have enough stuff that we,

1171
01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:40,110
we want to do, we're excited about getting

1172
01:38:40,110 --> 01:38:42,290
some new things done, which is make sure

1173
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:44,670
we're working together as a team to support that.

1174
01:38:44,730 --> 01:38:48,050
100% and I think this project management organization,

1175
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:50,210
all those things that will be coming together

1176
01:38:50,210 --> 01:38:52,210
over the next couple of weeks, I feel like

1177
01:38:52,210 --> 01:38:55,010
we'll really help us to get some good work done.

1178
01:38:55,670 --> 01:38:57,230
So I appreciate everybody's support here.

1179
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:58,010
You guys are doing great.

1180
01:38:58,010 --> 01:38:58,090
Great.

1181
01:38:58,490 --> 01:38:59,510
So thank you for all the help.

1182
01:39:00,210 --> 01:39:00,930
It's a great fun sound.

1183
01:39:05,690 --> 01:39:06,230
Yes, Dan.

1184
01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:06,510
One more.

1185
01:39:07,150 --> 01:39:08,130
I told you it was chatty.

1186
01:39:09,450 --> 01:39:14,630
I love the idea that Matt Brackley brought up that we had done a retreat back just when

1187
01:39:14,630 --> 01:39:15,390
Francis started.

1188
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:21,010
So two years ago, give or take, that as we're kind of turning over, we have a new member

1189
01:39:21,010 --> 01:39:21,430
of the board.

1190
01:39:21,450 --> 01:39:22,490
We have a new director.

1191
01:39:23,490 --> 01:39:25,410
Do we want, you know, reinforce that?

1192
01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:29,970
Do we want to kind of bring that back and figure out where do you, where does our new director

1193
01:39:29,970 --> 01:39:36,290
see the department as a functional group, where do we see the health department as a force

1194
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:40,730
for good in the community, and how do we all work together to make that happen, and doing

1195
01:39:40,730 --> 01:39:46,450
a retreat would probably be a great way of bringing us all together in one place at

1196
01:39:46,450 --> 01:39:51,150
one time, not on Zoom, and being able to actually just really discuss and work through, because

1197
01:39:52,090 --> 01:39:56,330
Libya's brought some great new ideas. Kelly's already brought some great new ideas of like, okay,

1198
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:59,930
Okay, how do we put these all together, how do we prioritize where there are overlaps

1199
01:39:59,930 --> 01:40:04,170
that we can get the most bang for our buck, you know, we can do three projects that really

1200
01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:08,510
get five goals, how do we forget all those things out, and that may be, you know, I want

1201
01:40:08,510 --> 01:40:12,650
to resport again from Matt's idea of coming back together as a group so we can really set

1202
01:40:12,650 --> 01:40:17,350
that, what's our one year, three year, five year kind of vision, and how do we get their

1203
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:19,310
piece that's hard to do with these Zoom meetings.

1204
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:28,770
I love that, and we should try and carve out some time for that before the end of the year.

1205
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:38,000
We were talking about correspondence. I don't know if that applies to what Kelly had

1206
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:47,780
forwarded us about freedom on August 28th and 2026. The mass DPH had an emergency order

1207
01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:51,680
that will classify freedom as a scheduled one controlled substance for having to get

1208
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:56,860
sale in possession statewide and providing local boards of health, with enforcement and authority.

1209
01:40:57,940 --> 01:41:05,100
For the public home may be listening, it's CRATOM, and it comes from a plant native to

1210
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:10,880
South Asia, Southeast Asia, and it's sold as an energy booster, mood lifter, pain

1211
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:15,840
reliever, and remedy for symptoms of quitting opioids, otherwise known as withdrawal.

1212
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:22,080
Depending on the amount used in its potency, CRATOM may produce different effects.

1213
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:26,980
lower doses cause stimulant-like effects such as increased alertness and higher doses

1214
01:41:26,980 --> 01:41:30,680
cause opioid-like effects such as pain relief and sedation.

1215
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:36,720
The products may vary greatly and it can be difficult to know how much you are consuming.

1216
01:41:38,620 --> 01:41:44,600
And it's important to note that FDA, DEA, NIH, Mayo Clinic, and John Hopkins all view

1217
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,300
to create them as a problematic substance.

1218
01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:51,020
So I just wanted to sort of pass that along to the public.

1219
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,340
So on that note, I'll be doing spot-and-specions

1220
01:41:56,340 --> 01:41:58,400
just to make sure that they're off-part shelves

1221
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:59,400
in little tin.

1222
01:42:00,780 --> 01:42:01,520
Thank you.

1223
01:42:08,900 --> 01:42:09,860
Does anyone have anything else?

1224
01:42:13,290 --> 01:42:13,450
Yeah.

1225
01:42:14,890 --> 01:42:15,410
Sorry.

1226
01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:22,270
As we look at future, I hate adding things to Kelly's plate

1227
01:42:22,270 --> 01:42:24,570
as she's settling into the role

1228
01:42:24,570 --> 01:42:31,230
but as we're looking at staffing, as we're looking at workloads, we've talked about this in the past,

1229
01:42:31,470 --> 01:42:36,950
try to really see what the workload looks like for the department and the members of the department

1230
01:42:37,870 --> 01:42:43,350
of, you know, is there a way we can get monthly or bi-monthly kind of activity reports?

1231
01:42:44,130 --> 01:42:50,410
All right, you know what, for the month of July, I did, you know, 13 food service establishment

1232
01:42:51,190 --> 01:42:57,530
I'm sorry, six month inspections because we know food service every six months, food

1233
01:42:57,530 --> 01:43:05,830
service establishments, read inspections, 10 Title 5, 4D poll visits, we've had 3 cases

1234
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:07,650
of this, all the standard stuff.

1235
01:43:08,530 --> 01:43:12,710
Yeah, so I will actually stop it right there because I put together a Google form this morning

1236
01:43:12,710 --> 01:43:16,530
and I'm already tracking it, so you will get some reports.

1237
01:43:17,570 --> 01:43:32,510
Great. Again, I know it's hard enough doing the job, but also then making little tick marks on your paper every time you do stuff, but its data is power, particularly these days with finances that if we can't show that we're doing the work, then we're certainly not going to get FTEs.

1238
01:43:33,050 --> 01:43:42,310
And we also, you know, for not that we don't trust Kelly to do a great, great job, but we are a board of, and we need to provide that oversight.

1239
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:47,490
are we meeting our regulatory requirements and simply having that awareness of oh yeah we've had

1240
01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:53,310
as we know now COVID cases in town how many you know food poisoning or other infectious disease

1241
01:43:53,310 --> 01:43:57,890
although standard pieces that fall into boards of health that it's just nice to know that when someone

1242
01:43:57,890 --> 01:44:02,290
approaches you oh hey what's going on with well I can't really share information but I have no

1243
01:44:02,290 --> 01:44:07,910
idea what you're talking about is it really the message we want to send so now I appreciate that Kelly

1244
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:13,290
you're already way ahead of me so thank you so much I'm gonna say hey you're ahead of me you're

1245
01:44:13,290 --> 01:44:18,310
already better than than what I'm thinking so I appreciate your your forethought and being

1246
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:20,050
three step ahead of me. I love it.

1247
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:28,400
Just a little bit of housekeeping we have our next meeting is September

1248
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:37,740
9th followed by September 23rd then we don't meet again until October 14th so we have a couple weeks

1249
01:44:37,740 --> 01:44:47,680
off there. We could potentially squeeze in a executive session retreat. And then we meet

1250
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:55,580
on October 28th. We cannot meet on November 11th. So, and also November 25th is a night

1251
01:44:55,580 --> 01:44:59,960
before Thanksgiving, is it the pleasure of the Board to meet?

1252
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,460
Council November on the 18th, the middle Wednesday, if LCTV is available.

1253
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:23,420
Looks like it works for us as long as it works for Kelly. Yeah, I'll be around. I will be away the week of Thanksgiving. So that's what's going to work for me anyways.

1254
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:40,040
So Kelly, maybe if you could just ask LCTV and maybe Diane, if we could just do November 18th as our school meeting. And in the in the down time between meetings, we can potentially

1255
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:44,860
put together some retreat options for folks to attend.

1256
01:45:47,230 --> 01:45:47,890
I think Libby.

1257
01:45:52,940 --> 01:45:54,760
Oh, Libby, did you have something to say?

1258
01:45:55,820 --> 01:46:00,060
Yeah, I was just going to continue the conversation that Dan was talking about with Kelly,

1259
01:46:00,300 --> 01:46:00,900
tracking her work.

1260
01:46:01,060 --> 01:46:05,240
I think that the police department shares their blotter with the public,

1261
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,660
but I think that it will be an important piece for us to help grow the department

1262
01:46:10,740 --> 01:46:12,900
to offer that transparency for the town.

1263
01:46:12,900 --> 01:46:18,000
so the town can see she's really doing a lot of work, and maybe it makes sense to try to advocate

1264
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,480
for a bigger health department.

1265
01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:22,720
So I like that. Thanks.

1266
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,920
And just looking out into December,

1267
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:36,760
we're due to meet on the 9th and on the 23rd. I'm not sure if the 23rd is a conflict for people,

1268
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:43,780
but I just want to put it out there. That potentially we should meet. And I guess it depends on our

1269
01:46:43,780 --> 01:46:47,880
workloads so we can take a look at this in November as well, but just putting it on people's

1270
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:48,120
radars.

1271
01:46:55,340 --> 01:46:56,360
Does anyone have anything else?

1272
01:47:02,810 --> 01:47:05,050
If not, I'll look at a motion to adjourn.

1273
01:47:06,190 --> 01:47:09,410
Oh, does Cali, do you need any signatures still on anything?

1274
01:47:10,650 --> 01:47:11,470
Nope, got them all.

1275
01:47:11,810 --> 01:47:11,990
Great.

1276
01:47:12,890 --> 01:47:18,410
Yep, so the tobacco policy will go into effect on September 1st.

1277
01:47:18,410 --> 01:47:24,730
I'm working with our tobacco control people to bring that to all of our individual retailers

1278
01:47:24,730 --> 01:47:27,490
and build your spot inspections as well.

1279
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:30,020
We're all set.

1280
01:47:30,660 --> 01:47:31,260
Great.

1281
01:47:32,740 --> 01:47:33,820
Motion to adjourn.

1282
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:36,520
Second.

1283
01:47:38,610 --> 01:47:39,230
Ball vote.

1284
01:47:39,690 --> 01:47:40,210
Libby Donigan.

1285
01:47:40,930 --> 01:47:41,710
Libby Donigan, yes.

1286
01:47:42,690 --> 01:47:43,430
Matt Waisen.

1287
01:47:43,670 --> 01:47:44,550
Matt Waisen, yes.

1288
01:47:45,810 --> 01:47:46,190
Dan Cain.

1289
01:47:46,610 --> 01:47:47,770
Dan Cain votes, yes.

1290
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:50,050
And Kevin Baker votes, yes.