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[0:07] All right, good evening, everyone, and welcome to the regular meeting of the City Council City
[0:13] of Live Oak Texas today, Tuesday, July 30th, 2024, at 7 p.m. As I call the meeting to
[0:20] order, and thank you all staff, audience, thank you for being here. I like for us to stand
[0:26] and observe a moment of silence, and that will be followed by the pledge of allegiance, please
[0:31] to
[0:44] the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation
[0:51] under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[1:02] I'm in Morgan. We'll begin the roll call with you please.
[1:05] Yes, ma'am. Councilman Mindel Morgan, present and accounted for America, didn't he?
[1:13] Oh wow. Whatever you want to say, sir.
[1:16] Councilman Vaughn, Councilman Place II.
[1:19] President Matheson.
[1:20] For us here, ma'am something's there not here and then it's here. Thank you
[1:25] And that will take us to item four which are citizens to be heard and I apologize that I did not say if there's anyone here
[1:33] Who would like to speak either citizens to be heard you still have time to do that and
[1:38] We'd love to hear from you if you'd like to do so come forward and tell us what you want to get us here
[1:45] Otherwise, do we have any all right no citizens to be heard at this time?
[1:48] Thank you, Ms. Katana.
[1:50] Moving to item five.
[1:51] Motion to approve the Senate agenda.
[1:53] The motion second by Dr. Perez.
[1:56] Begin the vote with you, Councilor Morgan.
[1:57] Four.
[1:58] Talk to four.
[1:59] Press four.
[2:00] No, four.
[2:01] Passes five, zero.
[2:02] Thank you.
[2:03] Item six, special consideration.
[2:05] We have presentation of employee of the quarter
[2:08] April through June 24th, Savannah.
[2:12] And Mr. Ruth Rutherford will tell us about her.
[2:16] I'd like to invite BJ Beeler up here as well with him.
[2:19] Oh, Mr. Beeler.
[2:20] All right.
[2:20] How are you, sir?
[2:21] Doing great.
[2:22] How about you, Mayor?
[2:22] Great, great.
[2:23] So, our employee of the quarter this year is Savannah Nava, who is our permit technician
[2:27] in the development services department.
[2:30] I've only been here for a couple of months, but it hasn't taken me long to realize what
[2:34] a great asset Savannah is to the community and to the organization.
[2:39] She's a fast learner.
[2:40] She's got great customer service skills.
[2:43] We are truly, we value her service to Team Live Oak and to the City of Live Oak.
[2:52] I'll let BJ take it from there.
[2:54] Thank you.
[2:55] So Savannah started in the fall of 2022 and it was a transition period and we built a lot around her
[3:03] and she was instrumental in creating some new processes and bringing in some new people.
[3:09] and she worked really hard and we depend on her and we value her, just like Ron said, we value her
[3:14] greatly. So we're very excited that she gets this award and we're happy to give it to her tonight.
[3:19] All right. We're super excited. When I read the blue sheet, I was like, wow, she's a go-getter.
[3:24] So it's coming up, it's coming up, it's coming up, it's coming up, it's coming up, it's coming up.
[3:28] Oh, compliment, uh, the sandwich is going to have remarks.
[3:31] I do like to make a comment here.
[3:33] Recently I've been doing some remodeling and giving some permits and I just want to comment on
[3:37] So Van has been very professional, knowledgeable, personal, and more than helpful in my getting all my permits that I needed.
[3:44] So I want to compliment her and thank her.
[3:46] I mean, reiterate what everybody else has been saying about she had a great job with the community, and I really personally appreciate all she's done for me.
[3:52] And I might grab the mic really quick like also because we've been doing a lot of ribbon cuttings lately.
[3:57] And all the business owners have all particularly said by name, Savannah has been the guiding light.
[4:04] They open up stores and other other restaurants and you know, all crop San Antonio
[4:07] But they say your name as far as helping them through that process and they appreciate it. That says a lot
[4:22] You're the reason
[5:05] We are the reason that one of the reasons why Team Live Oak is Team Live Oak, so thank you so much for what you do. We appreciate it so very much.
[5:16] Yes, ma'am.
[5:19] Savannah was instrumental in the break room owners not backing out of that deal.
[5:26] Savannah really worked hard on some solutions and made them go forward with their plans
[5:33] and now we have a really wonderful break room bar and billiard room to go to so we do give
[5:41] her credit for that.
[5:42] And customer servers does make a difference and you seem to be the epitome on that.
[5:47] So thank you so much.
[5:48] Thank you, Donna.
[5:49] It means a lot.
[5:50] You're welcome.
[5:52] All right.
[5:53] That will take us to our next item which is 7a.
[5:56] We've got presentation discussion and possible action to accept to discuss.
[6:03] Wait.
[6:05] It's okay.
[6:06] You can leave it as it is.
[6:07] It's okay.
[6:09] I'm going to accept the 2024 live-off parts recreation and open space master plan, Mr. Wester.
[6:15] Yes, Mayor Council.
[6:16] So we won't actually be doing any action on this, my no acceptance is necessary, but we
[6:21] do want to give you a status update and presentation.
[6:23] I want to invite Mr. Paul Howard to come up.
[6:26] He's with Bird at Land in place and he's ready to give you a 10 minute presentation.
[6:31] All right.
[6:31] Thank you.
[6:32] Good evening, sir.
[6:34] Nice to see you again.
[6:35] It's good to see all of y'all.
[6:36] All right.
[6:40] So as you may all be aware of, we've been working on a development of an updated
[6:45] parks and recreation mass plan for the city of Laibouc. The first master plan was developed
[6:50] in 2019 by our team and then we were asked to come back and revisit the plan and look at
[6:58] what the current demand is for parks, facilities, programs and ways to improve your great parks
[7:04] and taking advantage of some potential future park areas as well.
[7:09] The planning process involved a park and facility inventory where we evaluated every feature
[7:14] in the park to look at the condition, potential replacement cycle for certain amenities and
[7:22] then looked at opportunities that are found within the park properties.
[7:28] Then following that was a needs assessment which is really a combination of both the needs
[7:33] that we identified through the inventory, but also the next step is looking at what the
[7:37] community wants.
[7:39] And so there was a series of outreach efforts conducted to find out what the citizens
[7:44] would like to see in their parks and facilities.
[7:48] All that is combined through an analysis process with some background research that we get
[7:52] into an air in a moment, which is then followed by recommended improvements and a plan for
[7:58] implementation.
[8:01] The inventory and analysis phase, like I mentioned, looked at every feature in the park.
[8:05] We graded the quality and condition of features and looked at things that might need to
[8:09] be replaced.
[8:10] The city's facilities are overall great.
[8:13] You've got a lot of brand new things in there.
[8:15] There's been a lot of accomplishments over the last five years and so, and we're approaching
[8:21] this whole project with the notion that don't put too much stuff in the parks because you
[8:24] don't want them crowded so much that they become a messy one.
[8:28] There needs to be a natural flow to things.
[8:30] So careful consideration with types of improvements
[8:33] going to each part.
[8:35] There was also included a 10 minute walk analysis,
[8:38] which I'll show here in a minute.
[8:40] Some look at recreation behavior of residents
[8:43] based on some big data available from the industry.
[8:47] And looking at pedestrian bicycle activity
[8:50] in the community as well.
[8:53] There's just a quick snapshot of some
[8:54] of the recreation data that's available.
[8:56] So whenever you buy sporting goods, or you shop at certain locations, there's data being
[9:01] collected about the types of products, especially sporting goods.
[9:05] And that data gets translated into a cookie cutter analysis of just the people in live
[9:10] up and what they're spending their time doing based on what they're shopping with.
[9:14] There's also some intercept surveys and some online data that they collect.
[9:18] It's proprietary, so we don't really get to know all the sources.
[9:21] But like we see in every community walking and other pedestrian related activities are
[9:25] at the top of the list, followed by swimming and bicycling and a lot of other activities.
[9:29] The community is really active in many different types of activities and some of the ones on
[9:34] the right there are just some of the leisure activities that are popular.
[9:37] I won't get into too much detail on that.
[9:39] It is in the plan documents so you'll have the coming weeks to take a closer look at that
[9:44] plan if you really want to dig into the data.
[9:46] The 10-minute walk analysis is where we evaluate how far a person can go from their home to
[9:52] get to a park.
[9:53] The idea is NRPA, which is the National Recreation and Park Association, challenges America
[9:58] to make their communities a walkable place where anybody can get to a park from their home
[10:06] within 10 minutes of a walk.
[10:07] That's basically a quarter mile.
[10:08] So this just shows a couple of areas where there's some service gaps.
[10:11] Luckily, most of those areas are more of the commercial side of the community.
[10:18] But there are definitely some places where there aren't within a 10-minute walk.
[10:23] Can some of that could be challenging with the freeway going through there, but it gives you an idea.
[10:29] Thankfully, 74% of the population lives within 10-minute walks, so that's notable compared to the cities across the state.
[10:36] Then we look at your existing trails and sidewalks network on the left.
[10:39] You see color coded where you have sidewalks and where you don't and where you have trails.
[10:45] Some streets have at least a partial sidewalk or one side of the road.
[10:48] Those are yellow, red, no sidewalks on either side,
[10:51] and the green, yes, they're sidewalks.
[10:53] So have something to consider as you move forward
[10:55] with future transportation planning
[10:58] where sidewalks are appropriate.
[11:00] We also identified some opportunities for more trails
[11:03] in the community on some selected areas,
[11:05] and we'll look at that here in a minute.
[11:06] On the right is the pedestrian and bicycle activity
[11:09] that we have identified through Strava.
[11:11] That's an online app that people use
[11:13] with their smart phone watches and their smart phones
[11:15] that allows them to track their pedestrian bicycle
[11:18] swimming, snow skiing, whatever type of activity, and you can actually see all that aggregated
[11:23] data and see where people are doing their walking.
[11:26] In this cases, both walking and biking, shown on the right here, and the brighter the red,
[11:31] the more activity.
[11:32] The light blue is a little bit less activity, and it has been filtered so it doesn't include
[11:36] people leaving their app on weather in the car, so that's notable.
[11:42] Community engagement, we included a number of activities.
[11:45] One was that we started off with a booth at the extravagant egg extravagant event and
[11:49] movie in the park night where we primarily were reaching out to community hand out flyers
[11:53] some people to go to the survey on the line and letting them know what's going on.
[11:57] That was a great event.
[11:58] Lots of people there.
[11:59] It was neat to see the part being used so much.
[12:02] That was followed by an online survey that went through March through April and we'll get
[12:07] into the total number of participants in that shortly.
[12:10] and then a community wide parks planning workshop that was held, was it here? I can't remember.
[12:17] I can't remember what it was really.
[12:20] We had a good turnout and it was very productive. We got a lot of input from the residents about what they'd like to see.
[12:25] And then we had a joint city council and parks commission workshop that was also very productive and gave us some great direction.
[12:34] I'm not going to go through every one of the survey questions because it's just a lot of data in the 10 minute presentation, but
[12:41] Notably 46% of residents use the parks at least multiple times a week and
[12:46] Also note is that on the survey 60% of residents lived in live or participants lived in live
[12:53] But the other 39.75% or not restants. So that's interesting and
[12:58] And that drives with what we've learned about, say, the pool usage, where we, and with
[13:03] our observations in the park.
[13:04] You've got a lot of people coming outside the community to use your parks because they're
[13:07] great.
[13:08] And so that can present challenge with the total capacity of the park at certain events
[13:13] and stuff, but it's also a complement to what you've done with your parks.
[13:17] Over on the rated four and five, so on the scale one to five, five being excellent, the vast
[13:23] majority of responses say the parks are great.
[13:26] And we all knew this instinctively, but it's good to hear that from your residents.
[13:32] Some of the most, oh, I was going to go to trails and sidewalks.
[13:37] Their level of importance is very high in the community.
[13:41] 41% say it's extremely important and 32% say it's very important.
[13:46] So any opportunities where you can make those connections happen is something to look forward to.
[13:51] And I won't go into the rest of these in great detail,
[13:54] but the community has talked about a lot of different activities that they were interested in,
[13:58] especially when we let them have open comments on some of the questions to add things that we
[14:02] mind it on the vast about. And so you can't have all of that stuff in the community because they're
[14:06] just not enough parking to do it. And that's where we start to look at what things can fit well
[14:12] without overcrowding your parks. And then you can keep that in mind for when new opportunities become
[14:17] available in the future. That was just some of the key subject areas that we talked about in the
[14:23] parks planning workshop, everything from trails and safety and security, indoor
[14:29] recreation, water-related activities, you name it. And in the City Council
[14:35] Parks Commission workshop some of the same things we're talked about. It's
[14:39] definitely some congruency there. Some of the high frequency things regarding
[14:45] covered areas like covered basketball, shade structures, more water activities.
[14:50] fitness was really high up there on the list as well, and then making sure that
[14:54] parking and connectivity are also available in the community. We also looked at
[14:59] some opportunities for
[15:01] We've already had some great successes in recent years and just looking at continued opportunities
[15:06] for particular sections where we saw opportunities for off-street trails, not sidewalks. One of
[15:12] them was along the abandoned Miller Road down there on the south side of Woodcrest Park.
[15:17] There's an opportunity to expand upon that trail and connect all the way out. We could go
[15:22] all the way out to O'Connor Road if you wanted to. We have a terminating at a potential
[15:27] future part, Blaha Park down in the corner, which is one plan for maybe the developers to implement
[15:33] sometime in the future through a 380 agreement or a park dedication. That's all to be determined
[15:38] when a developer comes along. But meanwhile, there's an opportunity for connection. Also, Avery Road
[15:43] Utility easement, and the village drainage corridor number three, and then number four is an extension
[15:51] of the drainage corridor door from Shino to Live Oak. And so those are opportunities to add. Just a few
[15:56] more connections to parks and to neighborhoods throughout the community.
[16:00] All of these efforts will create priority projects.
[16:05] Now, these don't all have to be done wholesale.
[16:07] We do provide detailed opinions of probable costs for each one of these priority projects.
[16:12] But they're itemized so that if you want to implement things all across time,
[16:17] it can be done.
[16:17] So this gives you a safe planning budget for moving forward.
[16:22] Of course, these aren't shovel ready projects.
[16:23] they still need to go through a real, an actual design process to get down to something
[16:28] that you can put on the street for bids and have constructed, but he gives you an overview.
[16:34] So the live-over-city pool complex area, that's there, including the practice baseball field
[16:39] up there on the north side, shown here, I've got the map rotated, so it looks a little
[16:43] off to your eye potentially, but that's how we got it to fit on the page.
[16:47] But converting that practice field to a multi-use open space, nothing with bright lights,
[16:53] That's why it's not going to lighten sports good because you have adjacent homes there.
[16:58] But some of that can be for a lot of different things, expanded event opportunities, a place
[17:01] to fly, a kayak, you name it.
[17:03] Potentially put some new sand volleyball courts, more parking, which is desperately in need.
[17:09] And in the budget, we have some allowances for some upgrades to the clubhouse and restroom
[17:14] upgrades.
[17:15] One thing was to consider making that restroom available when pool is closed by redirecting
[17:21] traffic to there.
[17:22] and that's a fencing problem, that's simple enough to do.
[17:25] And that adds another restroom.
[17:27] Our last time we worked with you,
[17:29] we had an analysis where that's made about 500 feet
[17:32] is an ideal location between activity areas
[17:35] for the next restroom.
[17:36] And that's based on young children being able
[17:38] to get there before it's too late.
[17:41] At Main City Park, there's a lot of little details in here
[17:44] and it's kind of hard to see it all on the map
[17:45] as something you might dig into
[17:47] as you explore the master plane document.
[17:49] But lots of opportunities for proposed improvements.
[17:52] one of the biggest ones and I'll pop back over here for a second. Down here
[17:57] where the overflow parking is for events is proposed new driveways, concrete
[18:03] driveways, but then having some grass-pavre system for parking. So you have a
[18:07] more stabilized parking surface, a lot more spaces. I can't see how many spaces
[18:11] up the top of my head, but I want to say it's like 200. I could be wrong. I'll have
[18:16] to look back at that, but a lot more parking, but its grass-pavres are permeable, so
[18:21] you're not creating more problems for stormwater, but it is a stabilized surface. Also on this screen,
[18:26] you'll see a proposed kayak launch over just next to the fishing pier and some more shelter-shaded
[18:33] shade structures over there were seeding. That way, hopefully, the less pop-up shelters and more
[18:38] people using picnic shelters that are more inconsistent with the rest of the park. Some upgrades to
[18:43] the baseball fields, a cover over the basketball court, which was discussed in
[18:50] past master plane as well. It's a great opportunity to create some much needed
[18:54] shape, but also it's another covered space for events. It becomes a multi-use
[18:58] space as well. Pavilion and we got one new picnic, our family size,
[19:05] including eight picnic shelters, and another one with a gazebo, and last but not least
[19:11] a new concession, a restremover by the baseball fields. That one's the last in the park to get upgraded and
[19:17] and it was high on the list of priorities and on the baseball
[19:22] side some upgrades to the the whole seating area there. So the idea is to have a kind of you can't see it
[19:28] really well here, but there's a little curve there right there next to the fields. That's a terrorist seating kind of going down that steep
[19:33] bill there with ADA accessibility, but creating a built-in to the hill seating arrangement rather than bleachers there.
[19:41] And it'll also give you more seating, but also a much more attractive view looking down over the fields right there.
[19:48] Now with Chris Park, all the input we got was pretty much to not miss it up. That was the goal.
[19:54] So, we have very conservative recommendations here. The playground equipment is still in good functioning order,
[20:00] but it does have a life cycle like all things. So, we're looking at the next five years,
[20:06] be your ideal time to replace it.
[20:09] It's create false surface.
[20:11] Everything's still functioning,
[20:12] but you are starting to see a little bit chipping
[20:14] the finish and some rest on a couple of pieces,
[20:17] and especially the fitness equipment too.
[20:21] And so just considering that and the budget for replacement,
[20:23] some new picnic shelters and another gazibu and family,
[20:27] Pavilion or proposed here,
[20:29] as well as some additional wildlife viewing blinds.
[20:32] And those are, you'll know there's,
[20:33] you might be aware that there's an area
[20:36] that's a low spot on the park. At one time many years ago there was a stock tank there. So the
[20:41] dam has blown that long ago. It's an area where a lot of rainwater gets in there and a lot of
[20:45] deer live in there. It's not really advisable to dam it back up again. There's a whole slew of other
[20:51] issues to deal with when you start messing with the water movement there. But it's still an area that
[20:56] could be a come a great wildlife viewing area. So we proposed a boardwalk along one edge there. There's
[21:01] a small one with a lot of life viewing blinds
[21:03] and some additional wayfinding and signage along,
[21:07] which would be upgraded and signage to show
[21:09] what people where they are with mile markers,
[21:11] but also some interpretive signage
[21:13] for a little educational purpose,
[21:15] talk about some of the natural features of the site.
[21:19] Montanillo Park is your newest park.
[21:21] Right now, it's a trail going through there.
[21:23] It was about two and a half acres of land
[21:25] that terminates at the end of the trail
[21:28] that runs from, I can't remember the west way,
[21:30] is the name of the road and then runs down that corridor all the way to Woodcress Park.
[21:36] Our recommendation here was to let it serve as more of a trailhead than what you might
[21:40] consider as a traditional park, but had a couple of fitness equipment pieces, a small
[21:45] picnic shelter and then a little upgrade in landscaping. We've got a allowance in the
[21:50] budget for some more tree plantings and some wildfire middle area and a drinking fountain.
[21:56] In fact, you'll see a picture up here at the top, I thought this was a really cool example
[22:01] of something.
[22:01] It's a drinking fountain that has a bottle filled, drinking station has a dog water bowl
[22:06] and it's wayfinding.
[22:08] It shows you a little trail map on there.
[22:10] I thought something like that, in case you're a lot of bang for your buck, there's really
[22:13] cool products out there on the market.
[22:16] And that was just to show you where Montenegro Park is.
[22:20] No, I wrote, that's Blaha Park, I messed up the title there.
[22:24] So Brawler Park is a couple of acres of land over there on the southwest coin community
[22:30] right next to O'Connor Road and Miller Road.
[22:32] The property was platted for a park back in 1949 and never got built.
[22:37] City owns the land.
[22:38] There's an opportunity to work with developers to let them take the lead in doing that in
[22:44] the future.
[22:46] The proposed features in here are limited to a playground, fitness station, picnic shelter
[22:51] and some open space, maybe some wildflower plantings in some areas, which is also great because
[22:57] it reduces meanness, wildflower is meant to not be mowed. We're seeing that a lot of communities
[23:02] is a great way to both create more natural spaces, more room for pollinators, but also reduce
[23:07] meanness budgets. And then I just thought I'd revisit the fitness park concept from 2012 that was
[23:15] done by Clark Condon and I think that's an American skateboard company ASD. I haven't read all
[23:23] the detail point. We just got the presentation in this concept. But the property that it was
[23:28] proposed for was right there behind the fire station and it's about four and a half acres. This
[23:34] concept included a lot of different features in their amphitheater, a wheel friendly plaza which is
[23:40] not just for skateboards, but also for bicycles or wheelchairs or scooters, you name it.
[23:45] Some game tables, which I thought was really nice playground.
[23:49] It's a feature rich park.
[23:51] You can get a lot of stuff in there, but the idea is just to remind you that there's an
[23:55] idea out there for how to use this space.
[23:57] And I haven't seen the new facilities plan that's coming up next, but so that might change
[24:03] things.
[24:03] But just to remind you, there's an opportunity for public space on that property in conjunction
[24:09] with all the other stuff going on with the campus.
[24:13] Implementation, like I said before,
[24:15] it could be Ellicart, or you could do this all at once,
[24:17] for the purposes of just thinking in terms of order and magnitude.
[24:21] We put the total cost at the bottom of each concept here
[24:26] on the high end of the estimate, and showed you what it would look like
[24:30] if you were to have a bond funding for that.
[24:33] We've based it on a 15-year bond with about 3% debt service,
[24:37] and then look at it. What is it cost to your household per year based on your household value?
[24:42] So if you have a $200,000 house for a main city park, everything included.
[24:46] It'd be $71 a year to get all that stuff. If you have a $400,000 house, then it goes up to $243.
[24:52] So just a way of wrapping citizens' minds around members that they're not dealing with on a regular basis.
[24:57] Because most people aren't playing around with $7,000 to $10,000 or $2 million on a daily basis.
[25:04] So it's a great way to look at what it cost to you if you were to ever put this out for a bond election
[25:09] and somebody wants to be educated about what they're paying for.
[25:14] And some of the consider is upcoming grants, the deadline for grants, I believe, is October 1st for Texas Parks and Wildlife.
[25:21] So there's something that you know we're interested in and this is really tight timeline.
[25:25] But recreation grants for local parks are capped at $750,000. It's a 50 match.
[25:31] So it's a great way to kickstart a project if you had something that you're really interested in.
[25:36] They do this every year, so every fall they have a new application deadline,
[25:42] and then they announce their awards sometime at the beginning of the following year.
[25:46] So something to keep in mind, there's some other grant funding opportunities that are itemized
[25:51] in the play and document for considerate.
[25:55] Okay, well over, but if you'll have any questions, I'm free to answer them over.
[25:58] I don't know where it's safe. Thank you, Paul. We appreciate the presentation. Mark, did you want to say something now?
[26:05] Well, yes, Mayor. I just wanted to mention that our next steps are we are going to have a special meeting with the park commission.
[26:12] Present the draft plan to them. Talk about priorities of projects. And then this will come back to the city council for final approval and acceptance.
[26:21] All right. Thank you. I'm Mr. Gavari. Thank you. We appreciate the high-level
[26:28] presentation and the document you say we will have are you going to send that
[26:34] to us? Yes, you will get it after the park. Yeah, we're seeking feedback from
[26:41] you. See if you have any questions, but the goal is to work with the Parks Commission.
[26:45] Let them prioritize it and then bring it back before you where you will actually see
[26:49] the document, if that's okay with the City Council?
[26:55] Well, they have it, but they like to,
[26:57] and it was from my suggestion is because we do have
[26:59] the parks and rex commission is to allow them,
[27:02] and we'd be respectful to them to look at it
[27:05] and bring it back to us, because we still will have
[27:07] the final say.
[27:08] That was to get it, that I asked for that.
[27:10] We're promised to get it to you long before the meeting.
[27:13] Plenty of time to look at it.
[27:15] Can we get the PowerPoint that you did tonight?
[27:17] I left it with them, and it is a digital copy,
[27:19] And there's one on this flash drive, so it's about to be able to send that to a certain person.
[27:24] Thank you.
[27:24] Mayor.
[27:25] Absolutely.
[27:27] We'll send the PowerPoint presentation the only reason why we're recommending it to go through the Parks Commission first is to not create multiple versions of that document.
[27:36] That way, if there's any changes with the Parks Commission, we don't have another version loading out there that needs to be tweaked or which one that the Parks Commission review, which one that the City Council review, that's really the only reason.
[27:47] we just wanted to give you an update where we stand today because we're closing
[27:51] up the fiscal year. So you are where where we all
[27:56] right. Did you have anything
[27:58] Councilman Tolwin? I don't other than thank you very much. I think yeah what
[28:04] once we we just sort of tweak the the park title I think for that one
[28:08] park I thought a couple times in there and yeah we're running through the park's
[28:11] commission and then we'll see what the recommendations on the parties will go
[28:14] from there. Thank you. All right thank you both very much. Thank you. Mark you're
[28:18] You're staying, right?
[28:19] I am.
[28:20] The next presentation, discussion and possible action to accept the 2024 Facilities Master
[28:26] Plan.
[28:27] Again, Mr. Waster.
[28:28] Again, we won't be accepting it.
[28:30] No action is really needed tonight.
[28:31] We do want to give you a thorough update.
[28:32] They are still working through the plan.
[28:35] And at this point, I'm going to ask Guillermo Cabero, please come up.
[28:40] Use with US dollars.
[28:41] And they've been working on this plan and his team for, guess, about six months now.
[28:47] Yeah. Okay.
[29:02] Yes, we were, we were tasked by the city to do a assessment of your facilities
[29:10] and also an assessment of your needs. Basically, we like to combine them because facilities
[29:17] assessments are normally used for maintenance, but also do have a lot of the facilities that
[29:22] are open several years, many years, and right now the condition might not be that good. And
[29:28] And then you also need to look at the needs of your departments and how they match to
[29:33] your facilities because the facility must be in good shape, but it doesn't fit or the
[29:38] other way around in my field, but it's in bad condition.
[29:41] So with that in hand, we had two teams, independent teams working on it and giving their findings
[29:47] and then we just put them together.
[29:49] And this is pretty much what we came up with.
[29:51] the city hall and administration, condition of the building is in bad shape and
[30:00] I need to clarify what you see for my replacement value. They'll be replacing that facility of the same size with the same equipment, same windows, same everything. So the repair costs right now will be $860,000 versus $4,000,000,000 for replacing it. That gives you an FCI, FCI is the facility condition index. That means that anything 10 is fair.
[30:27] 18, anything above 10 is bad and 5 is fair between 10 and 5. Anything below 5 is in good shape.
[30:38] So basically 5 and lower is good. So the city hall is in bad shape. The public
[30:43] work building is in good shape. The animal control is in good shape. Facilities per se.
[30:50] That doesn't mean that they mean their needs, okay?
[30:54] And you see all of them, some of the smaller ones are just the storage facilities
[30:59] and those we can talk about later, but the main three are the first three.
[31:07] The City Hall Administration, like we said, is in bad condition, but also,
[31:15] it doesn't need the needs of what you need right now.
[31:17] Right now you have about 9,675 square feet, you cannot use the third floor so that we're
[31:26] not counting that and projected needs for you for the next 20 years will be 22,000 square
[31:35] feet of building.
[31:37] So you need more parking and so the spaces to accommodate about a 20% growth in people.
[31:46] new and large chambers and a large banquet space to host the events.
[31:53] The recommendation, including all in, we estimate that at 22,000 square foot facility
[31:59] today's money, including sign fees and everything, will be about 30.2 million.
[32:06] And you have a beautiful location right across the street, will be the perfect place for it
[32:12] because it will be in line with the order to new buildings that you have built already.
[32:19] The public works administration, the condition of the building is good, but they need to grow from 5,500 to a project that 8,500.
[32:31] So a recommendation would be to maintain and repair the existing building.
[32:36] Now, one idea that we have is to, if we build a new city hall to move, fix the old city
[32:45] hall first and then move public works there and then we can address fixing public works
[32:51] and then you will have two buildings in good condition and public works can grow, bring
[32:56] other departments into those two buildings that are in the front of the street and clearing
[33:01] some back area for other purposes. And there we have some of the cost involved.
[33:09] The
[33:09] animal control, the building is in good condition, but it doesn't need a lot of the requirement
[33:17] they need right now. It needs to be made safer right now. There's no separation between
[33:23] the lobby and where the people are. And from what we could tell during the interviews, there's
[33:30] only three people that work there and a lot of times two are out collecting one and one person
[33:35] is left alone that if that person has to be in the back there's no security anybody can go walk
[33:40] in and do whatever so we're proposing that the lobby needs to be addressed and make secure
[33:46] and also we notice that all the animals are in the same atmosphere so when they bring animals
[33:54] that have not been checked properly,
[33:57] they have to be held in the same atmosphere
[33:59] as with the other animals that are already in good shape.
[34:02] So if one is infected with something,
[34:04] it can pass it on to the other.
[34:06] So that doesn't, it's not a deal breaker,
[34:10] we get the, there's ways to separate those,
[34:12] but that needs to be looked into.
[34:14] The other area is that the animals have no outdoor use,
[34:18] but by placing the cages on the outer walls,
[34:21] maybe they can provide an exterior area
[34:24] It was doors that they can open and go into the outside and get some sun and grass and
[34:29] a little better for them.
[34:33] So we think that was an approximate $600,000 that some of these improvements can be done
[34:40] into the building and make it a lot better for the people there.
[34:47] The public was a storage equipment, the facilities in fair condition.
[34:50] And we recommend painting this structure and just to maintain it and keep it going.
[34:58] And then probably where maintenance shop, the facilities in poor condition, this one,
[35:05] the car is 1,400 square feet.
[35:09] The project that needs 8,500 so we'd recommend probably try to replace it even though the
[35:16] If C.I. is high, so it's in poor condition.
[35:18] So it would estimate a cost of new construction
[35:22] would be about 3.4 million.
[35:28] And the equipment storage, we need an address,
[35:30] and that storage can move, the yards can move.
[35:33] Now we're moving, we'll do the master problem,
[35:36] find locations for it, but that's not a building per se.
[35:41] The utility shop and storage is in fair condition,
[35:44] so recommend currently condition.
[35:45] And we recommend, in eventual replacement, but for now, it could be just made a little
[35:53] better and keep using it for a while, but eventually, it will need to be replaced.
[36:01] The polygraphs and polystorage is a small space, but it's in poor condition, very poor condition.
[36:09] So this is one that should be, in my opinion, replaced.
[36:14] It's not a good building to spend any money on, let's put it that way.
[36:22] Other means, one of the main things that we notice in the district is the lack of security
[36:26] and cameras.
[36:28] I think we should have a comprehensive plan of making all the building secure, provide cameras,
[36:34] provide fencing to protect the property and gates and logical locations to separate the public
[36:40] areas from the non-public areas and create more security for everybody. The Fire Department
[36:50] requested on land adjacent to provide a training tower and they need the training tower, they
[36:59] need. It's just that we don't feel that it's the logical or compatible location due to the number of
[37:07] residences around when those towers are being used.
[37:12] There's a lot of smoke in the air.
[37:13] There's a lot of people can get worried.
[37:16] You can probably, it will not be accepted
[37:18] by the community very well.
[37:21] I don't, we don't think.
[37:22] I think there might be better looking
[37:25] for another location for that.
[37:33] The new presentation didn't make it.
[37:38] No, but the new presentation is not there.
[37:41] The next steps I added some slides today,
[37:43] but I guess it didn't make it in here.
[37:44] the next steps is we're going to meet with all the departments and do a
[37:49] blocking exercise creating floor plans. So to show more or less what a new
[37:55] building would look and for city hall and the spaces and sorry about that
[38:03] yeah on the other side so okay no problem. Any questions?
[38:10] Yeah we're we're gonna get
[38:13] all this money went out for AC taxes. But that's our question. I thank you again for the
[38:21] presentation. Certainly a lot to take in. Something that I did not know, this was the public safety
[38:27] building is okay. It wasn't included in the air. No, we did not include the, we're talking about the
[38:37] fire station? No,
[38:40] the new police station, we interviewed with the, we did not do a facility
[38:46] that's available, we did an assessment of the department, they're very happy with their building
[38:52] and so is the fire department. The fire department, their main concern was the training facility and
[39:00] the police also expressed that they would like a training facility and maybe have a combined gym
[39:05] with the fire department okay well that's good to hear that they like they're
[39:10] really all right well thank you mark do you have anything to add just that we
[39:15] still have some work I work to do and we'll be bringing the final plan back as
[39:20] well what do you think that'll be well we can do that for the next couple of months
[39:28] okay all right I cancel any questions or a councilman talking it
[39:34] You know, when we do that, the final report when it comes through, if we wouldn't mind
[39:39] at least, so if we have to, we have to go back and look at it later, if we, you mentioned
[39:44] about the police and fire as far as, you know, that's meeting the adequate needs based on those
[39:47] comments, but I'd like to see something in the final presentation that states that.
[39:51] So, you know, the back say, well, we didn't forget about it.
[39:53] We'll know for councils in the future.
[39:54] We're going to include those.
[39:56] So, we gave them, before we interviewed them, we sent them a question air and they
[40:01] We feel a questionnaire and we're going to include the questionnaire as part of our backup
[40:06] information of what the responses were to the questions that we asked.
[40:11] Beautiful.
[40:11] Thank you so much.
[40:12] And I assume that that final report will also, when it talks about, you know, X amount
[40:15] dollars for repairs or what's needed, that'll define what those repairs are.
[40:19] Yeah.
[40:19] More detail.
[40:20] We're going to give you a list of everything.
[40:23] The other cause that is not here, we also did an assessment of all the equipment.
[40:28] So the settlement that we are talking about here is just the facility, but you also have
[40:33] to add the mechanical system, the plumbing systems, the electrical systems if they are
[40:37] good.
[40:38] For example, the city hall is not sprinkler.
[40:43] You touch it, you need to make it sprinkler.
[40:45] The windows are not insulated.
[40:47] You touch it, you have to replace all the windows for insulated windows.
[40:51] That's not included in the replacement cause because you're replacing what is there.
[40:55] There's always sprinklers who are not replacing it.
[40:57] you don't have the insulated windows that are required by code, you're not replacing those.
[41:03] So it's tricky to really bring it to code any change that you make that is substantial,
[41:10] you're going to have to provide, if it is to story, you know, elevators, you have to
[41:15] provide, sprinklers, you have to provide, a lot of further stuff that is needed.
[41:19] All those grandfather's get reset.
[41:21] Okay.
[41:22] I can definitely appreciate that.
[41:24] I can also appreciate the fact that far as that, you know, we do have you, it's
[41:27] as a company looking at the third party.
[41:29] Because for us, we live in the environment
[41:31] and it's like a broken window.
[41:32] You first notice if you walk by and oh, there's a broken window,
[41:35] well after about a year, you forget the broken windows there
[41:37] and you don't see it anymore.
[41:38] And so we've got a lot of those maintenance things
[41:40] that you're identifying that we no longer see.
[41:42] And we also said, and saying how much is going to cost you
[41:45] to maintain the city hall at the same 18% for the next 10 years
[41:51] is going to cost you about half a million dollars.
[41:53] Just to keep it there from getting worse.
[41:55] First, you bet, without the ink proving any.
[41:58] I appreciate that.
[41:59] You'll think, ma'am.
[42:00] Thank you, Councilman, for talking to anyone else.
[42:03] All right.
[42:04] Again, thank you, Mars.
[42:05] Thank you very much.
[42:05] Thank you very much.
[42:05] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[42:06] Yes, ma'am.
[42:07] Again, this is the reason why there are studies.
[42:10] It's a tool for planning.
[42:12] It shows you you were more efficient.
[42:15] As Guillermo mentioned earlier, there's a couple of deficiencies
[42:17] that if we were to go touch or revamp the building,
[42:20] we now just open ourselves to other challenges.
[42:24] is as they're called.
[42:26] So it's just a planning tool for us.
[42:30] All right, thank you.
[42:31] Thank you, gentlemen, we appreciate it.
[42:33] That will take us to the next item,
[42:35] which is item C, discussion, possible action,
[42:38] regarding the classification and conversation study findings
[42:42] and recommendations by public sector,
[42:44] first of all, consultants, Mr. Koala.
[42:46] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[42:48] As I go through the opening part of it,
[42:50] I'll ask Mr. St. Peter, yes.
[42:52] Sam Hines with public sector
[42:54] to come up and do the presentation. Just a little briefing, as you know, in the 23-23-24 budget,
[43:02] City Council authorized staff to contract with the consultant for the purpose of performing
[43:07] classification and compensation study for the City of Live Oak. Public sector personnel consultants
[43:13] was awarded the contract and I believe started a process very early part of this year.
[43:21] They had a timeline on there, the study has been completed for the most part, the only
[43:26] piece that's still missing, they'll continue in the finish up will be the tweaking of some
[43:32] of the job descriptions as needed, but with that, Mr. Stan Hines will present now the study
[43:44] itself as well as the recommendations for funding.
[43:48] Thank you, Mr. Kuala.
[43:50] Welcome, Mr. Heiss.
[43:51] Good evening, Mayor and Councilwoman.
[43:53] It's a pleasure to be here before you all tonight.
[43:55] I'm a guest. We see just here to kind of go over the findings and recommendations of the study that we completed for the city.
[44:01] We probably kicked off this process in March where we did an employee briefing and met with all of your employees to kind of give them an idea of what the study was and what it was in and what to expect.
[44:11] But during that meeting we distributed position analysis questionnaires to kick off the job classification process.
[44:16] That's a tool that allows the employee to communicate what their role is, what they do at the
[44:21] city on a day-to-day basis knowing that we don't want to assume what a person does based
[44:26] on their job title alone or knowing the job change with technology or reorganization.
[44:30] So an opportunity for the city to pause and ask, hey, what does your job look like at this
[44:35] moment in time?
[44:35] But also an opportunity for us to learn about the positions before we look for them in the
[44:40] marketplace.
[44:41] So after the classification study, there weren't too many earth shattering changes from there.
[44:45] We found that you guys have 54 distinct occupational job classifications.
[44:51] 70% of the positions are going to retain their current title.
[44:53] The current title was good.
[44:55] Around 20%, we're going to be receiving entitling modifications.
[44:58] so just to not
[45:00] The opportunity to be more cohesive with the way that we use supervisor, manager, technician, that sort of thing. And then a very small percentage, 2% I believe are being reclassified to a new position. So looking at that, P.A.Q said, hey, we think you need a job title that doesn't exist on your current pay plan, but we think that this title would more accurately reflect your job duties. So that was kind of step one position classification. After we did the classification study, we did a salary survey. So now that we had learned about the positions,
[45:29] everything that it entailed. We look to see do other local public sector employers have this type of labor if so kind of what is the going rate for the market model.
[45:39] We identified 15 cities that are within the local regional area and then a few that have similar characteristics as the city of Live Oak.
[45:47] It's the same market model that was used in the salary survey study that was completed around four years ago, which can be good because it allows you to track change over time.
[45:56] So, from those organizations, we solicited their pay plans, their job descriptions, their
[46:01] organizational charts, really anything to help us understand and make sure that we're
[46:06] making the most appropriate job match for the salary survey.
[46:10] For positions that have a private sector equivalent, we also incorporated private sector
[46:13] data.
[46:14] So, not every position is going to have a private sector equivalent, but in instances
[46:18] where they do, we were able to incorporate that as well.
[46:23] So major findings from the salary survey, around 80% of the positions are behind at the midpoint.
[46:29] So looking at the Min-to-Max range, that's just telling us that around 80% of those need an adjustment.
[46:35] There's not to say that the individual salary is behind market.
[46:38] That's just to say that Min-to-Max range needs to be moved up a little bit so that it's more competitive.
[46:44] The other 25% of your positions, 20-25% are currently at a competitive rate or their head of market.
[46:50] So, typically, when we do a survey, we have a mix bag like this where there are some that are behind, some that are at, some that are ahead.
[46:58] And the last time you're going to survey it was five years ago, and a lot has happened in the market since then.
[47:03] So, it's not unusual to see that, you know, this percentage of positions are behind the market.
[47:10] Kind of running in at the same time as the salary survey, we did a benefit survey.
[47:16] So, in conjunction with your employees, when we do that employee breathing, we kind of
[47:20] asked about some benefit items that were adventurous to them, and then in conjunction with talks
[47:25] of the cities.
[47:26] So, we surveyed a few different items.
[47:28] For the most part, the city is in competitive with its benefit offerings, with the exception
[47:33] of the number of paid holidays, so that could be an area where you guys consider increasing
[47:38] the number of paid holidays to be more in line with other cities that are within the regional
[47:42] area.
[47:44] In order to implement the study, we've proposed a few different components of the same package.
[47:53] So you guys have folks that exist on the General Service Salary Schedule,
[47:57] and then you have your Fire Department and your Police Department which have their own separate pay plans.
[48:03] So for non-public safety positions, what we've done is we've assigned each position to a salary range
[48:09] that is commensurate or equal to the market rate of pay at the midpoint.
[48:14] We're modeling things out at 100% of the market midpoint to position the city a little bit.
[48:19] Ahead of the market so that you guys can continue to retain that advantage as you move forward in the next few years.
[48:25] For fire and police, the logic is a little bit different because they have their own step plan.
[48:32] We took a look at the survey data and our goal was to align the entry,
[48:36] the midpoint and the max, so within plus or minus 5% of the market survey averages.
[48:42] And so for a fire, we're recommending some adjustments to the total number of steps,
[48:47] but still retaining the same increase per step and the same distance between steps.
[48:52] For police, we're not going to mess with the step structure, the way that the survey data
[48:56] shook out was that, hey, if we apply a uniform 10% increase to the table that we're not going
[49:03] And we're going to meet that goal of being within plus and minus 5% at entry top at a midpoint
[49:09] for all of those physicians.
[49:13] One thing that was important during the study is that we didn't want to create pay compression
[49:17] as a result of adopting the findings, so for employees that are within position classifications
[49:22] or there's multiple incumbents and we've modeled out a situation where employees retain their
[49:30] current step relationships so that you're not paying like a 10-year employee the same as a one-year employee.
[49:34] So we've done a few different, you know, sort of modeling things in conjunction with the city.
[49:39] The estimated fiscal impact to adopt the new proposed ranges for all employees on the general
[49:45] service salary schedule and then for your fire and police departments comes in a little bit under
[49:50] $500,000 or $6.3% of your current payroll. The salary survey is, you know, it's typically something
[49:57] that cities do every four to five years, so you do a market adjustment.
[50:01] It's not intended to replace or supplant what you typically do.
[50:05] So, I think you guys typically do like a cost of living adjustment.
[50:08] But an opportunity to check in, ask your employees, say, what does your job look like
[50:13] at this moment in time, and then, hey, what is the market paying,
[50:16] and then making sure that you guys are able to recruit,
[50:19] compete with those other employers in the regional area?
[50:22] you know.
[50:26] Is there a set it on? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Now, maybe I
[50:31] misunderstood you, but I thought you said on the police in 10% across the
[50:37] board, but here it says 6.37 or is that something? Yeah, so that's the
[50:41] average. So what happens when we, it's just kind of the way that we're playing the
[50:45] same logic for the compression adjustment. So they're moving to the set that's
[50:50] closest to but not less than their current salary and then maintaining the
[50:53] step relationships. So they're not necessarily in every instance, retaining their same step
[50:59] assignment. If they're like in that entry-level class police officer, it could be that their
[51:06] step goes down by one or two, but they're still receiving that increase or whatever.
[51:11] Okay, thank you. All right. Thank you again for the presentation. I've counted any questions
[51:19] or comments. Thank you councilman doll for teaching me about compression with the salaries all right well
[51:28] thank you okay thank you so we appreciate you're coming and we'll go back to
[51:34] lee Roy because now we got a pay are
[51:43] you guys are you the council you prepare to make a motion
[51:48] I'd like to make a motion for the council approve the findings recommendations presented
[51:52] with a classification compensation study in front of the recommendation of 2024-2025
[51:57] proposed budget.
[51:59] Is that enough?
[52:01] You don't need to.
[52:02] Okay.
[52:02] Okay.
[52:03] We've got a motion and a second to accept the classification compensation study as presented by public sector personnel consultants.
[52:11] I will begin the vote with you, Councilor Morgan.
[52:13] A more informed vote.
[52:15] Press four.
[52:16] It's going to be four.
[52:16] No, four.
[52:17] And it passes 5-0.
[52:18] Thank you.
[52:19] Thank you.
[52:19] Ms. Barlow, thank you.
[52:20] Thank you.
[52:21] Sam.
[52:23] Item D, presentation, discussion, possible action for employee related benefits including
[52:29] medical, dental, vision, group life, AD, and the voluntary life and voluntary short-term
[52:35] disability for employees for FY 24, 25, Mr. Koalik.
[52:41] Thank you Madam Mayor, I have Mr. Brett Bowers here with IPS Hub International to do
[52:47] to the brief presentation on the outcome of their process of negotiations with our current
[52:56] vendors.
[52:57] As you know, this is an annual thing that comes to y'all roughly this time of the year
[53:02] every year that looks at our medical health vision and dental packages as well as some
[53:15] I won't cut too much into this stuff, but this process has been up and down over several years.
[53:22] We had the last couple of years, we were very good this year.
[53:25] We had a little bit of hiccups, but thanks for them again.
[53:29] They came in for us again and brought it down to single digits, but I won't say how much
[53:34] into that.
[53:35] Thanks, right.
[53:36] It's a CEO again.
[53:38] Thank you.
[53:38] Mayor Council.
[53:40] I've had the opportunity to serve the City of Live Oak since 2017 and I'm telling you I'm here
[53:45] one of my favorite cities. You've got a great staff and a great culture and great benefits.
[53:52] You're not aware you have the richest benefits of any city that I service and that's a testament to the
[53:58] hard work that your staff puts in to making sure that they're able to deliver that.
[54:02] So with that being said, over the last two years when we've had an opportunity to come up here as
[54:07] Lee Roy had alluded to, we've really just had some great news over the last two years.
[54:14] Our rates have went up 2%, which is well below medical prescription trend.
[54:21] Unfortunately, this year, as we approach the renewal, we do have high claims utilization.
[54:28] So the claims that are being paid out are at this level, whereas the premiums that are being
[54:33] paid in as at this level.
[54:34] And so that always sets us up for a very delicate renewal, and not to leave a way of job.
[54:41] I have trouble getting this below 15% with this law-sharing, so I think you can do it.
[54:46] I said, okay, no pressure there, but as it turns out, we did get an 18% increase from Blue Cross
[54:52] Bushield.
[54:53] We were able to negotiate that down to 9%, so there is some saving grace there.
[55:00] the other plans dental we're running a little hot on that as well so there was a
[55:05] 5% increase again because of the the way the claims are being paid for dental
[55:10] it's harder to to negotiate that down. However, out of the medical and the dental
[55:16] we've got the vision, we've got basic like voluntary and live short-term disability
[55:20] long-term disability we were able to hold all those at a rate past this year.
[55:29] So
[55:29] I think as I look at the claim experience that's driving this renewal, I don't see that
[55:37] I see the light at the end of the tunnel, two of our largest claimants were musculoskeletal
[55:42] which is actually a knee, a hip, a shoulder, something that's not repeating and so I think
[55:48] we'll start to see those claims kind of go down so maybe we can look for a more favorable
[55:52] outcome next year.
[55:55] But other than that he said a brief presentation so that is my brief presentation but I'd be happy to answer any questions if you guys have any.
[56:03] Now we appreciate your hard work and we are appreciative of our rich plan because we really do care for our employees and their families and as long as we're able to do it then that's what we'll continue to do.
[56:15] But we appreciate the magic that you work making it happen is best you can so
[56:20] We have anything else they want
[56:22] I'm gonna say the proposed budget that we had at the budget workshop is at a 10% so I really held them to that
[56:30] That logic would bring it in under that in which they succeeded so we're good on that. All right counsel any questions
[56:37] Councilman Talbren oh
[56:39] Let's just go ahead mark the date and time you said for this one
[56:41] I want to hold them next to you as I think we can get a better rate next year.
[56:45] I'm sure that's my job every year.
[56:47] Keep us recording, Andy.
[56:49] Absolutely.
[56:50] Any other members?
[56:52] All right.
[56:52] Thank you.
[56:53] Do we have a motion for that?
[56:54] Yes, I think we do.
[56:56] Okay.
[56:56] Mayor, I'll make the motion to approve the city's benefit package in accordance with the recommendations
[57:00] from my P.S.
[57:02] Consulting for the plan year 2024, 2025.
[57:05] Senator Mosin.
[57:06] We've got a motion second by Councilman Simmons for the recommended, for approval of the
[57:11] city's benefit packet in accordance with the recommendations of IPS help
[57:16] consulting for the playing year 2024 or 2025 and we'll begin the
[57:22] vote with your councilor Morgan. Morgan for the 4th and it passes by 0. Thanks again
[57:29] for it. I'll see you at the conference. All right I'm moving now to item E
[57:34] presentation discussion regarding the San Antonio River Authority fees charged
[57:39] for the transportation, treatment, and disposal of sewage generated within the City of
[57:45] Library of Texas.
[57:46] Mr. Koale.
[57:47] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[57:48] I don't know.
[57:49] Leemon.
[57:50] Yes, he's here.
[57:51] Mr. Leemon Anderson is here with the San Toy River Authority to answer any questions if
[57:56] Council may have.
[57:59] I'll do the presentation and I'll be quite brief with this.
[58:03] It is the annual presentation that we bring to Council.
[58:06] So for the sewage fees that the River Dirty charges, the City of Live Oak as well as Universal
[58:17] City and Converse and themselves for their retail part, for in the current year, the
[58:30] The system-wide rate for cities was $30.13.
[58:41] So at the new 2025 proposed rate, it will be $32.48
[58:49] since it's a system-wide.
[58:51] That's a 7.8% increase for residential.
[58:53] The proposed user rate for commercial is 6.14 per thousand, which is a 4.96% increase,
[59:04] specifically just for live oak.
[59:08] The current 2324 wholesale treatment charge per residential customer is 2935 at a winter average of 4,628.
[59:19] the proposed charge for the residential customer for $24.25 will be $31.24 at a
[59:28] winter average of $4,519. So a winter average went down, which is great, that
[59:36] also caused the city's portion, the city of Lylox part of the system-wide
[59:41] average to be lowered in the average. That makes sense. So the result is only a
[59:47] 6.44% or $1.89 per month per resident increase compared to the 7.8
[59:55] system average, so we are below that.
[1:00:00] And then the current commercial rate, like I mentioned earlier, we're paying $5.85 per thousand. The proposed rate for $24.25 is going up to $6.14 per thousand, and that's a 4.96%. So over the last several years, we've seen some sizable increases. And we were told by the River Authority that those increases now that the expansion project is winding down.
[1:00:29] I guess I can save white and down. A lot of those now have been kind of passed
[1:00:35] over that cliff now or over the hill. Now we're going to start seeing the reason
[1:00:40] for some of these rates or well that big project was going on. Some of the
[1:00:44] small projects we're postponing are put on hold. Now they're coming up but we
[1:00:50] will gradually see you know single digit increases as opposed to the double digits
[1:00:54] It's that this big project took on, which is understandable.
[1:01:03] With that, I think on the last page of my blue sheet, I kind of put the historical wholesale
[1:01:09] charges on there, and kind of see what that is, but with that opening questions, the council
[1:01:14] may have.
[1:01:15] All right.
[1:01:16] Thank you, Mr. Koalik.
[1:01:18] This is something that we have to do, and many of us have been to the plan.
[1:01:23] And we're excited about the improvements that you all are making.
[1:01:29] And to me, it's not much to discuss.
[1:01:32] I just want to make a comment, too, that the rates that I presented today are the rates
[1:01:37] that the River 30 charges us and the other cities.
[1:01:41] It's not the rates that we charge to the citizens that sit at a different time, but
[1:01:47] this is just the largest component in the utility budget, is sewage treatment.
[1:01:52] But it is added to that as also our charges that we have and that's what we use to set the citizens' rates.
[1:02:01] All right. Thank you for the clarification. In comments for council.
[1:02:08] Okay. Well, thank you. We appreciate it. Thank you, sir.
[1:02:12] Moving now to item E, which is discussion possible action regarding the resolution of the city council authorized and city manager
[1:02:21] to execute a chapter 380 agreement for the purpose of public improvement for water line extension with VSC,
[1:02:30] so tan, San Antonio, Ms. Lather.
[1:02:35] Thank you.
[1:02:39] Tonight, the document that is before you is a 380 agreement between the city and Stoughton, San Antonio,
[1:02:45] which is also known as the interchange live office, the light industrial park off of Tupperline.
[1:02:50] This is for a public improvement, which is the water line that will run adjacent to the front portion of their property off of
[1:02:57] top of why. The attorneys for us and the Stoten attorneys have all looked at this. They are all in agreement to move forward with it.
[1:03:05] So tonight is the formality of letting you look at it as a resolution for the city manager to enter into that agreement.
[1:03:15] This would be a reimbursement not to exceed $175,000 and they would have to complete of
[1:03:23] course the construction and have all of the criteria of documentation that is listed
[1:03:29] on page five of the agreement.
[1:03:32] Those are the five, it's five, page five, section five that they would have to fulfill for
[1:03:38] those reimbursement funds to be paid out.
[1:03:40] At this time, construction is currently underway for that water line and RC page construction is the contractor of choice.
[1:03:51] I think we have done RC page has done some work in the past from what I understand.
[1:03:57] But again, your action tonight would be to authorize this through a resolution for the City Manager to execute the 38U agreement.
[1:04:05] All right. Thank you, Ms. Adam. Did you have anything, Mr. Capari, on this one?
[1:04:11] Ms. Rodriguez, I don't see, and maybe it's not important, or maybe it doesn't need to be here,
[1:04:18] but the $175,000 not to exceed. I don't see that anywhere in this resolution. Is that necessary or not?
[1:04:26] It doesn't need to be in the resolution, as long as it makes it into the 380 agreement, we're good.
[1:04:31] Okay. I'm sorry. I think I didn't see it.
[1:04:33] in the resolution. It's okay. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Any questions or comments, council?
[1:04:39] Is there a motion placed? There are no motion to approve resolution by city council.
[1:04:44] City alive of Texas authorizing the city manager. Chapter 380 agreement for the purpose of public
[1:04:49] improvements. Waterline extension with the VSC, Stojan San Antonio Probco LP, and authorizing
[1:04:56] any additional actions reasonably necessary there within providing severability,
[1:05:01] including calls and establishing an effective fit.
[1:05:04] We've got a motion in second by council and semics for resolution by the City Council City of Live Oak, Texas.
[1:05:11] Authorizing the City Manager to execute a chapter 380 agreement for the purpose of public improvements borderline extension with BSC,
[1:05:22] be, students and Antonio, prof code LP, and authorizing any additional actions
[1:05:28] reasonably necessary therewith, providing a surfability clause, and establishing an effective date.
[1:05:35] Councilor Morgan?
[1:05:36] Four.
[1:05:37] Four.
[1:05:38] First, four.
[1:05:39] So much for.
[1:05:40] And all four.
[1:05:41] And then passes by, zero.
[1:05:42] Thank you, Ms. Madder.
[1:05:43] Thank you.
[1:05:44] Thank you, Ms. Rodriguez.
[1:05:46] Item G, discussion, possible action to accept an award and bid from Abelar.
[1:05:51] Incorporated in the amount of $279,834 authorizes the city manager of the interim agreement to construct a 2024 Shin of the Village of Trail Project and further authorizes the city manager to interchange order for additional work, not to exceed 10% or $27,483.40.
[1:06:16] It's the way, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[1:06:20] Mayor Caldwell, thank you.
[1:06:22] The Shen Oak Trail, as you know,
[1:06:23] is the connection from village oak
[1:06:25] across the drainage beside the swimming pool
[1:06:28] to connect that part of town over to the city park.
[1:06:31] It was part of that master plan
[1:06:32] that parks just mentioned is something
[1:06:34] that we should probably look at accomplishing.
[1:06:36] So we're ahead on that one.
[1:06:37] The project does include about 1960 feet of new trail
[1:06:41] and 250 feet roughly of rebuilding sidewalks along Sheno to get those to ADA
[1:06:49] compliance. So whole trails, 2,200 feet roughly. Some of that's a rebuild some of
[1:06:54] that's a new trail. Seven contractors submitted qualified bids on that. The
[1:06:59] low bid as we said was Abel are at $274,000 in change. The high bidder was
[1:07:05] was jared on enterprises at $455,000 in change.
[1:07:10] Abelar did the woodcrest trail for us.
[1:07:13] They did the lining on the swimming pool.
[1:07:15] Our engineers are familiar with them.
[1:07:17] They recommended them to do this project
[1:07:20] and we're confident in them as well.
[1:07:23] Now, a little bit, unfortunately,
[1:07:24] is higher than the stated budget for this item
[1:07:27] that was set at $200,000.
[1:07:30] We anticipate those additional funds should you
[1:07:33] award this will be coming from EDC budget those are there for some other
[1:07:37] trouble. I think Lee Roy's here he can speak to that if we need to get specifics
[1:07:41] on to the budgets. The staff recommends the award into that Shenome Trail
[1:07:46] Project to Abilhar Incorporated in the amount of $274,834 with the 10%
[1:07:54] rider on top for unsforeseen expenses. All right thank you Mr. Megado. Do you
[1:08:00] Do you have any idea when this project might get started?
[1:08:03] Notice procedure should follow shortly after tonight that gives them about a 10 day target window.
[1:08:08] So you're looking at a couple of weeks before they be rolling.
[1:08:11] They've got 110 days to complete, those are calendar days.
[1:08:14] All right, thank you so much.
[1:08:15] I've counseling questions or concerns.
[1:08:18] All right, with that, is there a motion please?
[1:08:21] Motion to do accept an award a bid from Edward Inc and the amount of 274,834 dollars.
[1:08:27] So the 2024 shit out to Villagio Park real project authorize a city manager to enter into agreement and further authorize the city manager into and change order for additional work to exceed 10% not to exceed 10% or 27,000, $40,000 and 40 cents.
[1:08:42] So we've got a motion second by Councilman Morgan to accept an award of bid from Abel are in in the amount of $274,834 dollars for the
[1:08:56] The 2024 Shin O, the village of Hartwell Project authorized the city manager to enter into an agreement and further authorize the city manager to enter change order for additional work, not to exceed 10% or 27,483.040 cents.
[1:09:14] Begin the vote with you, Councilor Morgan.
[1:09:16] more than for and that passes for zero. Thank you, thank you sir. I'm taking us now to item
[1:09:25] age discussion possible action for city council to approve and accept the monthly financial report
[1:09:32] in May 31, 2024, Mr. Kuala. I'm back. Yes. So in your package, you have the May financial statements.
[1:09:42] I'll be very brief when this item conceptually that didn't really change from the last one I did
[1:09:50] Things are going according to plan. So in the general fund. Let me just start off by saying this
[1:09:55] This is eight months into the fiscal year. So that targeted rate is 67% of budget
[1:10:01] In the general fund our overall overall revenues are 77% of budget
[1:10:06] Our overall expenditures are just below the target at 58% of budget
[1:10:13] Outstanding encumbrances are still $285,000 for items that have been placed on order but not have been received as of the report date, total revenues recorded through May is $13 million, $76,000 and $55 total expenditures recorded for the same period is $11 million, $629,457.
[1:10:40] that's a net gain of 1 million 446 and that brings our fund balance to 16
[1:10:47] million 256. Looking back at prior years we're in a pattern that is kind of
[1:10:55] standard. So in a capital projects fund we have those two project
[1:11:02] phones to 22 bond fund as of this period 594 thousand dollars and change was
[1:11:10] recorded as interest income for the year and 7.3 million was expended on project
[1:11:15] work so we are spending that money down as of May 24 we are our fund balances at 11
[1:11:26] million 305 thousand dollars down from the 18 million that we started with so
[1:11:32] things are starting to wind down pretty good. In the capital projects fund the
[1:11:38] fund balance is $4.9 million as of this period, $973,000 has been
[1:11:48] expended on various project works. In the utility fund, we are above target on
[1:11:54] revenue collection at 73%, but we're also above target on our expenditures at 76%.
[1:12:03] Recorded revenues are below expenditures by 17,000.
[1:12:08] That brings our working capital to 255,000 in the operating fund.
[1:12:15] Our renewals are replacement fund and the utility fund.
[1:12:19] We have a fund balance of $1,000,000,000 in change.
[1:12:24] in the stormwater revenues are right at the 66% our expenditures are below at 48%
[1:12:32] fun balance in the stormwater is currently at 358,297 that concludes my report
[1:12:41] open up for any questions you all may have I thank you Mr. Crowley I've
[1:12:44] counsel any questions or concerns all right your motion please
[1:12:49] It makes up the month's financial reports of period ending May 31, 2024.
[1:12:53] Second.
[1:12:54] That emotion taken by Councilman Dahl to accept the monthly financial report for the period
[1:13:00] ending May 31, 2024.
[1:13:03] And we'll begin the vote with you, Councilman Morgan.
[1:13:05] More info?
[1:13:05] More info?
[1:13:07] No.
[1:13:08] And it passes by zero.
[1:13:10] Thank you, Ms. Crowley.
[1:13:11] Item I, discussion possible, action to vote on a proposal to consider a property tax increase
[1:13:19] or a proposal to not exceed the lower of the no-new revenue rate for the tax
[1:13:25] voter approval rate against the quality. Thank you Madam Mayor. This is kind of
[1:13:31] where my mind has been for the last week and a half and it's really turned to
[1:13:37] mush but that's good. We're still moving.
[1:13:41] Just want to make sure we're clear that the vote tonight is not to set a tax rate.
[1:13:48] it's not to approve a tax rate. But truth and taxation has this process in place that the
[1:13:55] governing body must take a vote on a proposal to either be in one of two places. The first of
[1:14:02] which is to be at the lower of or the proposal not to exceed the lower of the non-revenue rate
[1:14:12] or to vote or approve a rate or propose a motion to be at a tax rate or propose a tax rate
[1:14:21] that is something higher than that. As I presented in the budget workshop, the budget was presented
[1:14:32] at the lower of the two rates. Typically it is the no-new revenue rate. You hear me go back and
[1:14:42] for from the old language, the new language, and the old days it used to be called the effective
[1:14:46] tax rate, which I thought was a lot similar to understand, but that rate is a rate that
[1:14:52] if City Council goes with the no new revenue rate or the old tax rate, it's a rate that
[1:14:59] and you're all with-
[1:15:00] On the average, that would bring in the same amount of revenue that it did last year on properties that are taxed above years. The voter approval rate in the own terms, it was called the rollback rate. The voter approval rate is a rate that is equivalent to 3.5% above the no-new revenue rate. There are, yes. And there's a lot of factors that go into it. That's why it's not exactly 3.5%.
[1:15:29] because the City of Lyme also offers a sales tax-reduced property tax which is also part of that.
[1:15:39] So this year last Saturday, not this past Saturday but the weekend before,
[1:15:48] Bear County has authorized or had certified our roles.
[1:15:52] That has been completed ahead of schedule.
[1:15:55] So all of last week, Bear County Tax Assessor has been diligently doing our calculation
[1:16:05] as well as all the other cities that they do calculations for.
[1:16:10] I do need some information on top of the certifier rows to finish my calculation, but then
[1:16:17] also relay on the appraisal district to give us access to a system, so I don't have to
[1:16:24] do it manually and make four errors. So I was in communication with both of them. Short story,
[1:16:31] I did get access to that today. So starting last week, Thursday, I started doing it all manually.
[1:16:38] Still needed that piece. I got that information today. I got the access today as well.
[1:16:46] I did validate what I did was correct on manually. So I could still do it manually.
[1:16:51] But I still don't have bear county tax assessors' calculations.
[1:16:56] I was told they're going to get that to me tomorrow morning.
[1:17:01] But usually mine and theirs are very close for tonight's purposes.
[1:17:06] I think from what the consent was from City Council, I probably can guess which way y'all
[1:17:13] will go.
[1:17:13] So again, the budget was presented at the no-new revenue rate or the lower of.
[1:17:22] So with that, I did add in on my blue sheet and just for y'all that.
[1:17:26] So the current tax rate right now, this is the total tax rate for tax year 23, which is
[1:17:32] in the current fiscal year, is 0.385790 per $100 valuation.
[1:17:40] My unofficial calculation for the
[1:17:44] no-new revenue rate is 0.386109 which is
[1:17:50] slightly above our current rate. But then as
[1:17:54] I also stated in our budget workshop, we
[1:17:58] have some debt that has been paid off. Well
[1:18:01] that lowers my tax rate as a big component
[1:18:05] of our tax rate. So our photo approval rate is actually lower than our no-new
[1:18:11] revenue rate. It's uncommon that happens and only way it does happen
[1:18:15] typically is when some debt appeals off of your tax rolls. That's what happened
[1:18:20] with us. So it doesn't happen a lot of times but when it does that's the
[1:18:24] result usually is you have to know and that's why they word it that way.
[1:18:34] It's
[1:18:35] is around 37.61 pennies, so about roughly a penny lower than the effective tax rate or
[1:18:46] the non-revenue rate, but slightly below or other ones. So our current rate sits between
[1:18:52] because the variable rate, because the voter approval rate is lower than a non-revenue rate,
[1:18:58] that no new revenue is pretty much out the window because under that if you go
[1:19:05] above the voter approval rate even because it's lower that automatically triggers
[1:19:12] a election it's not if it was the opposite you have that window to go from the
[1:19:19] voter approval rate I mean the no new revenue rate up to the voter approval went
[1:19:23] out triggering the election because they're inverted just one decimal point above that triggers
[1:19:30] that election. So again my recommendation would be to stay at the lower of the two. Again
[1:19:38] I'm not going to name it a decimal or a right now until I get that, does that make sense?
[1:19:44] That's how I get that final one.
[1:19:47] So with that, I don't know if that gave you enough information
[1:19:51] have more questions now, but on the recommendation page, staff recommendation, there is specific language that will need to be read whichever way you all want to go, and I'll help you all work through that whichever way you all want to go with that.
[1:20:09] All right, thank you, Mr. Caruala.
[1:20:12] Any questions or concerns?
[1:20:14] I may approach in.
[1:20:15] No, I have to say the other way.
[1:20:17] I think it's sort of the other way around.
[1:20:18] I don't think that you were verifying their numbers.
[1:20:21] I think they're verifying, they're not much from you.
[1:20:23] Because you've always bet bet bet.
[1:20:26] We, rounding ears and all that stuff,
[1:20:28] I think we've passed.
[1:20:30] All you do is transpose the number
[1:20:31] and you've got several.
[1:20:32] That's why, so it's a tool page calculation,
[1:20:37] So, yeah, one little typo and you could mess it up.
[1:20:41] I just want both of us do it.
[1:20:43] So, it works out really well.
[1:20:45] But I appreciate the comments.
[1:20:47] Councilman Semics.
[1:20:48] Councilman Semics.
[1:20:52] I do want to say thank you to Ms. Jackie for being here
[1:20:55] and for helping them when it's bringing this much.
[1:20:57] Right.
[1:20:58] So, please say it.
[1:21:00] All right, is there a motion?
[1:21:01] Please.
[1:21:01] The motion is approved by a proposal to consider a property tax rate that will not exceed the lower of no new revenue tax rate for the voter approval rate.
[1:21:10] We, by definition, would generate approximately the same amount of tax revenue from property tax in the Feeding Year.
[1:21:16] Thank you.
[1:21:17] We have a motion and a second by tax approval as in everyone else.
[1:21:21] to approve or propose to consider a property tax rate that will not exceed the lower of the new
[1:21:30] revenue tax rate or the voter approval rate, which by definition will generate approximately
[1:21:37] the same amount of tax revenue from properties tax in the preceding year.
[1:21:42] And we'll begin the vote with you, Councilor Morgan.
[1:21:44] Madam Mayor, just before we take a vote, I just want to make sure that by voting yes
[1:21:50] That's to this purpose proposal to see if I will cannot set a rate that's anything hired and that we can't set something a little bit lower, but nothing higher.
[1:21:59] Yes, sir. I think we do understand it, but thank you for bringing that to our attention with that. Councilor Morgan.
[1:22:05] Four.
[1:22:05] All in four.
[1:22:06] First, four.
[1:22:07] Second, four.
[1:22:08] No, four.
[1:22:08] And then pass this five, zero.
[1:22:10] Thank you, again. Thank you, Jackie. Thank you very much.
[1:22:19] All right.
[1:22:20] I don't see council reports.
[1:22:21] We're going to do that after and after, and I'd like to get this out in that way if anybody
[1:22:30] needs to leave a hand.
[1:22:31] Do you have any announcements, council?
[1:22:34] All right.
[1:22:36] I've got a citizen contact me recently about some issues having with a neighbor in the back
[1:22:41] out with tall grass and rodents as I'm trying to be able to, and I did refer her to Mr.
[1:22:48] all those issues.
[1:22:50] Thank you.
[1:22:51] Thank you.
[1:22:52] Councilman Zimics.
[1:22:53] We'll go to staff announcements.
[1:22:55] We'll start with you.
[1:22:56] Mr. Parin.
[1:22:59] No announcements at this time there.
[1:23:00] Thank you.
[1:23:01] Thank you.
[1:23:02] Mr. Rodriguez.
[1:23:04] Thank you.
[1:23:05] Mr. Rutherford.
[1:23:06] Brother Ben.
[1:23:07] No announcements.
[1:23:07] Okay.
[1:23:08] Jackie, do you have any things that you hear?
[1:23:10] Ms. Donna.
[1:23:11] I see.
[1:23:13] Yes.
[1:23:14] Yes.
[1:23:14] Sorry.
[1:23:15] I'm sorry, I didn't feel a tip of cop last week, our officers did $3,667, especially
[1:23:23] on the paper.
[1:23:24] Now, not the brag, but the night before we'd had converse, Selma, the universal city,
[1:23:30] and they didn't get a third of what we got.
[1:23:32] So our guys are preferable pros, they were really nice.
[1:23:39] But if you would have never known this, we have a converse city councilman you're pissing
[1:23:44] in this evening.
[1:23:46] That's great.
[1:23:47] Mr. Gowallick, I'm Mr. Waxner, chief server.
[1:23:53] I'm doing this time, thank you.
[1:23:54] Ms. Ketan, well before we go, please join me
[1:23:58] in celebrating all of the July birthdays,
[1:24:00] but we want to especially recognize
[1:24:02] our own city attorney, Ms. Carissa Rodriguez,
[1:24:06] happy birthday to you.
[1:24:08] So we've got some beautiful flowers here.
[1:24:10] We're gonna give to you and that.
[1:24:12] Oh my gosh, thank you.
[1:24:13] Thank you, that was good.
[1:24:20] All the work that you do for us and we think that we are so blessed to have you representing
[1:24:27] our city.
[1:24:28] And so we just want to say happy birthday and thank you so much for taking care of me.
[1:24:37] Oh, here too.
[1:24:41] Thank you.
[1:24:48] Thank you.
[1:24:49] Thank you.
[1:24:50] Thank you everybody.
[1:24:50] You're welcome.
[1:24:51] Thank
[1:24:59] you.
[1:24:59] Thank you.
[1:25:00] I'm going to introduce our other guests that are here.
[1:25:03] Is it Brianna?
[1:25:07] Oh, Brandi.
[1:25:08] Brandi, here is TCSU here.
[1:25:09] We are Brandi and Kelly.
[1:25:11] They are from Apple One, which is a staffing business out
[1:25:18] in the colonnade in San Antonio.
[1:25:21] But Katrina, Mr. Moore's daughter,
[1:25:23] lives here in our apartment complex.
[1:25:25] And we met her the other night at the break room.
[1:25:29] So we hope they become part of the Tri-County Chamber.
[1:25:37] Thank you both for hanging in there with us.
[1:25:40] Thank you.
[1:25:40] We're generally out by now, but we had a longer meeting tonight.
[1:25:43] But thank you.
[1:25:44] I hope you found it at least entertaining.
[1:25:46] Anybody needs any staffing?
[1:25:50] Apple, that's right.
[1:25:51] She'll give you her card.
[1:25:53] All right.
[1:25:53] Thank you.
[1:25:54] Well, with that, we are going to go into a second session.
[1:25:57] and 825, and I have to read something.
[1:26:03] The City Council shall meet in a second session
[1:26:05] under Texas Government Code Section 551-074.
[1:26:11] Personnel matters to discuss the following.
[1:26:14] I, six month evaluation of the City Manager
[1:26:17] has required in the employment agreement.
[1:26:20] And it is 826 PM.
[1:26:24] Thank you.
[1:26:25] It
[1:26:30] is 8.58 and we are reconvening into open session on today July 30, 2024 for the City
[1:26:39] of Live Oak City Council.
[1:26:40] And we would just like to take this opportunity, and I will speak for the council, that we
[1:26:45] are more than pleased with your service and to our City Manager, Mr. Grafari, that we really
[1:26:53] appreciate everything that you've done thus far and super excited, appreciate all how you
[1:26:59] have lived up to the tenants of the city managers association and we
[1:27:06] appreciate again all that you do and for our employees our team members we
[1:27:10] thank you I'm going to speak for you guys too and we do thank you sir for your
[1:27:15] service thus far to city of livo and look forward to your continued service as we
[1:27:21] go forward in great ways and great things that will be for a city so thank you
[1:27:26] for being our leader. Thank you and us. Thank you. Well, with that, if there's no other business
[1:27:31] of the body, I'm going to ask for a motion to adjourn. Make a motion. We adjourn. I'll second that.
[1:27:42] Thank you all very much. Have a great week.