1 00:00:28,960 --> 00:58:53,910 e e 2 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,559 good evening everyone Welcome to our 3 00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:59,640 regular council meeting for November 19 4 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:07,349 2024 uh calling a meeting to order at 5 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,559 7:54 can we please stand for the Pledge 6 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:14,109 of 7 00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:19,150 Allegiance ready 8 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,440 begin of America and to the stands one 9 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,440 nation 10 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,440 indivisible liberty and justice for all 11 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,200 if we can all please remain standing for 12 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,680 a moment of silence for our First 13 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:40,789 Responders and Military members 14 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:45,589 please thank you may be 15 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,680 seated roll call please roll call 16 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,400 council member Wallace present council 17 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,680 member SoDo present mayor pimp Samra 18 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,480 present mayor Moran present for the 19 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,760 record council member Roth is 20 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,720 absent thank 21 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,440 you uh I just want to report that uh 22 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,400 council member Ro he wasn't feeling too 23 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,720 well and he had to leave so he was part 24 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,000 of our regular uh close session but he 25 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000 wasn't feeling too 26 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,520 well 27 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,839 um Ro uh close session announcements 28 01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:21,559 thank you Mr Mayor uh nothing no 29 01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,000 reportable action was taken at this time 30 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,520 thank you are there any changes to the 31 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,480 agenda uh yes Mr Mayor yes go ahead I 32 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,119 like to 33 01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,000 request that item number 34 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,200 44 be placed after item 35 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:45,760 number 41 because I have a conflict on 36 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,799 item number 42 and 37 01:00:47,799 --> 01:00:52,119 43 the discussion regarding water is 38 01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,039 close to proximity to my house so 39 01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:57,559 there's a conflict there 40 01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,440 and the consolidation of Livingston 41 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,200 Floyd and chelby even though I'm at the 42 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,440 lower level I am an MTO employee that's 43 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,319 for abundance of caution I will recuse 44 01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,079 myself as well on that 45 01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,799 item okay so there's a request to move 46 01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:15,760 item 47 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,319 44 after 48 01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:22,750 41 uh is there any 49 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,240 um any disagreement I'm okay with that 50 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:36,069 see none uh is there anything 51 01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,520 else after after 41 after 41 all right 52 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,359 thank you next we have uh citizen 53 01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:45,359 comments uh this section of the agenda 54 01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:48,319 allows members of the public to address 55 01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:51,160 the city council on any item not on the 56 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,119 agenda members of the public uh when 57 01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:54,920 recognized my should come forward to the 58 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,760 Lector and ify themselves comments are 59 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,720 normally limited to 3 minutes in 60 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,559 accordance with State open me laws no 61 01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:03,200 action will be taken by the city council 62 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,200 this evening is there any uh citizen 63 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,000 comments for any items not on the agenda 64 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,480 please come forward you have three 65 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,559 minutes and if you can please state your 66 01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:15,720 name for the record is there anyone on 67 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,349 the 68 01:02:18,359 --> 01:02:20,640 phone hearing n is there anyone in the 69 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:38,309 chamber 70 01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:39,640 can you hold on can can we make sure 71 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:45,910 that the mic is on 72 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,319 please thank 73 01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:52,240 you my name is Angela Welch laara and my 74 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,319 address is 1848 Ashby Road in mered 75 01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:58,839 California I'm a retired educator of 76 01:02:58,839 --> 01:03:01,599 Merced City School District 26 years one 77 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,240 school district and 25 years one school 78 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,240 Alise 79 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,359 ures um my last observation was made by 80 01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:14,309 Sacramento Department of Education in 81 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:17,200 31727 um and I was forced to fill out an 82 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,920 accident report uh by the time I got 83 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,520 done all my paperwork came back um from 84 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,799 workman's comp and all that that I was 85 01:03:25,799 --> 01:03:27,480 never an educator and it's all 86 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,559 classified and that means I don't have 87 01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:32,200 registered fingerprints um with the 88 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,559 state and so I'm having trouble with my 89 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,640 community of mered and I've approached 90 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,480 them many times um following 91 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,240 protocol I was hoping to leave a living 92 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,400 breathing trust for the next uh the 93 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,440 children on that part but the next union 94 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,240 rep doesn't have to go through the same 95 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,400 thing um being that I'm an educator and 96 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,200 you go to do your work uh your taxes 97 01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,720 it's difficult to be stuck between 98 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,000 because it's like bait and switch 99 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,760 identity theft in a sense um and I did 100 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,839 not uh do the 100% so that means it's 101 01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:09,640 like I'm being stripped of my tenure 102 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,039 credential at the same time and then 103 01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:15,880 when I go to present or approach my uh 104 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,160 the California Teachers Association 105 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,559 those who were running the district at 106 01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:26,079 the time uh the principal uh and the the 107 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,760 others are now part of the California 108 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,240 retired Teachers Association so I'm 109 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,119 stuck in between two places and I 110 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:37,480 haven't had much success and so I've 111 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,559 actually have posters and books and 112 01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:43,079 things like that um and I'm out of New 113 01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:46,359 Mexico and um I can prove myself from 114 01:04:46,359 --> 01:04:50,039 the 1500s for school board cuz my cousin 115 01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:52,599 is an actor um and I'm not trying to 116 01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:55,240 brag it's just he's the RoboCop of all 117 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,480 the robo cops of the 1500 for school 118 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,079 board I'm being told I have no rights 119 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:01,640 and I have a brand from 120 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,480 1882 and we've all laid down our lives 121 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,559 our families why not leave a living 122 01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:10,480 breathing trust uh the prior grievance 123 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,960 was um taking me dragging kicking and 124 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,920 screaming when I had 20 years and the 125 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,160 other person had eight and her husband 126 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,200 was a lawyer and now a judge that's 127 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,319 difficult to go against uh in my 128 01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:24,279 community uh and now they're trying to 129 01:05:24,279 --> 01:05:27,480 do dual language but it's through Mong 130 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,799 uh through the county how are you going 131 01:05:29,799 --> 01:05:31,680 to do that when you're stripping the 132 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,920 teachers that are the bilingual a bclad 133 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,160 teacher to a classified person never a 134 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,480 teacher on paperwork so it's difficult 135 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,200 and where is Sacramento going to find 136 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,200 students at an account Clerk's desk that 137 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,400 was my last 138 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,559 observation um and I would like 139 01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:53,880 representation I haven't had any luck 140 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,119 there and I'm to stuck between between 141 01:05:56,119 --> 01:06:00,640 unions and um I haven't had much success 142 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,440 in response by them and I've actually 143 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,680 put it into a big book and I was trying 144 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,319 to apply for an endowment can you go 145 01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:09,920 ahead and finish up your comments please 146 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,839 all right uh appreciate some assistance 147 01:06:12,839 --> 01:06:16,319 with my community and um possibly 148 01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:20,160 approach others and share this story and 149 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,079 give back to the migrant child and I'm 150 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:23,720 all the way from Roswell New Mexico 151 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,599 migrant means you're following the crop 152 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,160 I was EO English all the way appreciate 153 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,799 your time thank thank you thank you so 154 01:06:29,799 --> 01:06:32,079 much is there any other uh citizen 155 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,160 comments in the 156 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,039 chamber no thank 157 01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:42,269 you please state your name for the 158 01:06:42,279 --> 01:06:45,960 record good everyone chip Che uh do want 159 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,599 to start with a quick birthday shout out 160 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:49,640 it's uh one of my favorite uncles 161 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,000 birthday is today he's not watching but 162 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,200 he's going to get happy when he sees 163 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,559 this so happy birthday to tiama uh big 164 01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:56,160 50 for him 165 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,279 uh comment related to something I 166 01:06:58,279 --> 01:06:59,839 brought up back in April just haven't 167 01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:01,319 seen it on the agenda since then and 168 01:07:01,319 --> 01:07:03,319 hoping I can get clarification and if 169 01:07:03,319 --> 01:07:05,520 not happy to follow up with 170 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,880 anybody before the meeting prior to the 171 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,520 April 16th meeting I can't remember the 172 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,200 date at the end of the meeting council 173 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,599 member Roth um and the future agenda 174 01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,799 item section had asked if we could do a 175 01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:19,200 water study related to Emerald textiles 176 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,799 the next meeting I had asked about the 177 01:07:21,799 --> 01:07:23,160 update on that just cuz I didn't see it 178 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,799 on the agenda and I was told that these 179 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:26,000 things take time obviously you can't 180 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,839 just have a study in 2 weeks didn't know 181 01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:29,760 that at the time but I haven't seen it 182 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,440 on the agenda since then and it's been 183 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,680 several months since that was brought up 184 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,640 so just wanted to ask if that's on the 185 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,160 radar are we looking into the water 186 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,880 usage of emerald textiles at all is a 187 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:40,880 study in 188 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,559 progress have also heard Rumblings about 189 01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,000 Emerald being way out of compliance in 190 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,559 terms of how much water they're using 191 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:49,799 obviously don't have any evidence for 192 01:07:49,799 --> 01:07:50,599 that it's just something that's been 193 01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:52,200 brought up to me by folks in the 194 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,279 community so I wanted to mention that I 195 01:07:54,279 --> 01:07:56,400 just wanted to ask about the progress of 196 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,400 that whole process thank 197 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,240 you thank you is there any other 198 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,760 additional citizen comments in the 199 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:10,750 chamber at this 200 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:15,030 time thank you go 201 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,880 ahead Julio 202 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:21,040 vales so um I talked to you guys um 203 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:27,640 before you went to close session and you guys had asked uh well actually 204 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,199 um you Mr Mayor 205 01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,159 you uh Maria you guys had said that you 206 01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:36,960 would put this in the agenda or close 207 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,400 session uh to go back and and and look 208 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,440 into paying the people that you did not 209 01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:45,520 pay after the 4th of July Festival um so 210 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,880 I would I wanted to ask you guys to 211 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,679 bring that up again it does there was no 212 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:51,199 reportable action I don't know if there 213 01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:54,440 was action or not on that but when you 214 01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,960 talk to the band manager you told him 215 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,799 that it would be on today's agenda you 216 01:09:01,799 --> 01:09:04,920 also told him that you would even give 217 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,679 your your Council money to him if 218 01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:11,560 whatever reason nothing happened so um 219 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,600 like I said 220 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,080 earlier um mayor Moran Maria you guys 221 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,440 say that you're for the community with 222 01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:20,120 the community that you support the 223 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,560 community these kids that played on the 224 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,480 4th of July are part of your community 225 01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:27,600 and just like I said earlier one of the 226 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,600 kids that played in the band was was one 227 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,120 of your students at Livingston high 228 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,920 school so I hope that you guys really 229 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,839 reconsider that I I understand that 230 01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:38,880 there was not a contract but you used to 231 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,440 do events sometimes things happen bands 232 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,799 don't show up you got to do something 233 01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:46,719 and and make the show go on so that's 234 01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:48,480 what I did I asked that band who played 235 01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,120 two days for free I asked them well this 236 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,799 other band didn't show up can you play 237 01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:55,040 one more set and we'll go ahead and pay 238 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,239 you 239 01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,560 so they agreed and we had several 240 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,239 meetings with you guys and you guys 241 01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:05,360 asked for paperwork they turned in the 242 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,239 W9 they turned in their invoice nothing 243 01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,719 happened same thing with the nonprofit I 244 01:10:09,719 --> 01:10:11,040 got to go faster cuz I'm running out of 245 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,000 time but same thing with the nonprofit 246 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,800 nobody wanted to do the beer garden here 247 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,040 in Livingston so we had to get someone 248 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,640 else um you guys said that you didn't 249 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,480 authorize it authorize them or whatever 250 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:25,080 there was no contract but you signed um 251 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,679 point at the city manager you signed 252 01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:28,880 their 253 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,000 beer uh permit to go to the state to ABC 254 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,560 at that time you should have said hey we 255 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,560 don't have a contract let's get a 256 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,840 contract but you never said nothing 257 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,719 neither the police chief the previous 258 01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:40,600 police chief also signed that so the 259 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,280 city was aware knew that they were going 260 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,080 to do the the beer Booth they turned in 261 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,440 over $8,000 to the city we turned it in 262 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:50,400 you guys have the receipt and everything 263 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,120 they need to get their part as well so 264 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,120 the band needs to be paid 265 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,199 $1,000 uh 266 01:10:56,199 --> 01:11:00,080 um I know that gal talked to him you 267 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,920 guys responded to him the lawyer called 268 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,880 me because he put it on social media 269 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:05,960 that you guys didn't want to pay and 270 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,080 that's the only time that you guys 271 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,840 responded to him or me the lawyer called 272 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,440 me right away that day when when it was 273 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,120 put on social media but I'm here not 274 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,880 to argue not to uh bring that up but the 275 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,880 other thing I want to do ask is that you 276 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,400 guys go ahead and pay them their dues 277 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,440 they they're a nonprofit who put their 278 01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:28,640 time they brought people to to uh to 279 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,679 work they they they paid for stuff they 280 01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:33,440 still got to pay the state taxes for the 281 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:36,679 sales of that as well and so they they 282 01:11:36,679 --> 01:11:38,719 still they're still there they also pay 283 01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:41,080 the the permit again that you signed Mr 284 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,920 city manager and um and so on so I'm 285 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,760 asking that you guys reconsider and pay 286 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,040 the 287 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,480 band They $1,000 then you go ahead and 288 01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:56,800 the nonprofit the other amount thank you 289 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,400 is there any other citizen comments in 290 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,790 the 291 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,030 chamber 292 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,040 Roy um so just just so and I appreciate 293 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,320 the comments and I just want to be able 294 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,120 to respond obviously I'm not able to 295 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,239 share share close session information 296 01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:21,159 but uh the only thing I can say is that 297 01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,520 uh Direction was given and uh City will 298 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,080 be contacting those people for uh more 299 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,480 information okay and then later I can 300 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,440 provide uh more information if anybody 301 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,800 needs it uh and I and I do want to say 302 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,600 that that I did I did uh um always 303 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,400 respond to people not because it was on 304 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,159 social media but you and I had plenty uh 305 01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:51,239 more than a couple of conversations 306 01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:55,719 prior to that and uh so um 307 01:12:55,719 --> 01:12:58,239 so it's not that I never answer calls I 308 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,560 I'm I'm always answering responding to 309 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,880 calls the most I take normally is not 310 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,679 even 24 hours sometimes when people call 311 01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:10,360 me or reach out to me sometimes even 312 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,600 within the hour so you know I'm not sure 313 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,239 if you were referring to me or just in 314 01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:20,920 general but you know uh when they there 315 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,120 things in place I'm not going to be 316 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,120 micromanaging City staff when they're 317 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,800 you know it is not my duty to to 318 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,480 micromanage uh City staff but just uh 319 01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,199 but I understand your frustration and uh 320 01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:39,600 but I also understand that I have to 321 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:40,960 follow 322 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,760 what's what uh uh the majority of the 323 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,320 council makes a decision on so just but 324 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,679 if anybody has any other questions feel 325 01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,199 free to reach out everybody has my 326 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:55,360 number most people know where I live um 327 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,880 see me around town social media anywhere 328 01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,480 I'm always I'm always very 329 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:02,679 reachable all thank 330 01:14:02,679 --> 01:14:06,960 you okay um any other citizen 331 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,440 comments seeing none closing the uh 332 01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:12,239 citizen comments at 8:09 next we have 333 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:15,040 announcements and reports uh so we have 334 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,560 City staff announcements and reports uh 335 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,239 Jackie benat Recreation superintendent 336 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:48,910 uh Christmas parade update 337 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,360 good evening everyone um I thought that 338 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,080 it would be well actually my boss 339 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,360 thought it would be a good idea idea 340 01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,320 that I gave an update for the Christmas 341 01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,159 parade and the chief is going to open my 342 01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:05,120 presentation with the 12 Days of 343 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,120 Christmas December 344 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,800 1 okay December 345 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,120 1st um so I thought that it would be 346 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,719 kind of fun to give you guys 347 01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:22,800 wait um a little history lesson on the 348 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:28,629 Christmas parade do I 349 01:15:28,639 --> 01:15:31,360 okay so the annual Livingston lighted 350 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,000 Christmas parade started in 351 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,760 2002 at the recommendation of council 352 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,520 member Roy 353 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,639 Soria um and has been a well received 354 01:15:41,639 --> 01:15:44,880 event ever since so the very first theme 355 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,600 was an international Christmas for those 356 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,360 of you that may remember or may not and 357 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,880 our first Grand Marshal was Ramone 358 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:57,440 Martinez and he was the leader of or the 359 01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,280 president of the Livingston youth 360 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:03,639 football so 2024 marks our 22nd annual 361 01:16:03,639 --> 01:16:15,229 event and it will be a superhero 362 01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:17,639 Christmas so I thought I would throw in 363 01:16:17,639 --> 01:16:23,679 a few pictures of Christmas in the past 364 01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:25,920 uh the 365 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,880 picture of the little ballerinas over 366 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,960 here on the bottom let's see if I 367 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,920 can know if it's 368 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,199 dead um was from 15 oh now it's moving 369 01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:40,920 it was from 15 years 370 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,880 ago so the traditional route was Park in 371 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,159 Main 372 01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:49,560 Street uh it was from Maine to D until 373 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:58,709 Co started 374 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:00,600 and then the co route went through the 375 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,159 neighborhoods as shown to cut down on 376 01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:05,320 the congestion of the crowds down on 377 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,960 Main 378 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,830 Street 379 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,040 next so 2024 the lighted Christmas 380 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,080 Parade route we are going to return down 381 01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,360 Main Street from Peach to D and then um 382 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,080 so we'll be staging down 383 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,360 Peach uh down 384 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,320 7th and then backup Park if we need that 385 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,080 because our parade is quite large and 386 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,560 then of course we'll have the gift fair 387 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,629 downtown 388 01:17:36,639 --> 01:17:39,440 next so we'd like the community to join 389 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,199 us for lots of holiday spirit and 390 01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:44,520 memories um it will be the SE it's 391 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,440 always the second Friday of December at 392 01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:50,080 6:30 the gift spare starts at 5 we'll 393 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,239 have entertainment we're going to have 394 01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:55,960 uh Christmas Carol ERS at the 395 01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,400 intersection of D and Main Street so if 396 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,199 you like to sing come on down uh Chief 397 01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,120 the and we'll have lots of fun singing 398 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,000 Christmas carols and then our of course 399 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,600 our cord of trees will be on display and 400 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,199 with that if you have any questions um I 401 01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,400 did bring you all candy canes so you 402 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,560 would be part of the Christmas spirit 403 01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,440 early and um it's going to be you've 404 01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:23,159 probably seen this you guys can put on 405 01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:25,480 your Superman capes 406 01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:28,120 Superwoman capes 407 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,870 and be a part of this need 408 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,360 event 409 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,480 questions so just for um well thank you 410 01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,360 for that I mean it's always great to 411 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,400 have all those activities in the winter 412 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,360 Christmas the CT of trees and all of 413 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,960 that uh for residents that that are 414 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,440 might be new to to our city for 415 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:55,239 residents that might never have had 416 01:18:55,239 --> 01:19:00,400 uh or participated in in the parade 417 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,840 uh how would you sign up yeah how do 418 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,080 they sign up and who can sign up any 419 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,159 family can sign up they don't need to be 420 01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:09,000 part of any or represent any 421 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,159 organization school and it can just be 422 01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,239 we invite all the organizations and 423 01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:17,760 schools Etc but if your family wants to 424 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,159 get together to start a tradition of 425 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:23,360 making a float or even having a truck 426 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,400 and being in the back of it or you have 427 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:30,000 an old car um we welcome everyone you 428 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,080 can sign up uh the easiest way is online 429 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,960 there is a link um on the city website 430 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,639 under Recreation and you just fill it in 431 01:19:38,639 --> 01:19:40,600 and say what you're doing and then we'll 432 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,400 get back with you and tell you what 433 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,840 place you are in the parade or and then 434 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,760 when to sign there's no cost for this it 435 01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,440 is free now we don't have great big 436 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:51,600 prizes that we give away you'll just get 437 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,360 a certificate or a ribbon um but you get 438 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,120 lots of bragging rights and then since 439 01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:59,600 this is just going to be down Main 440 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,840 Street can can 441 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,520 participants participate as just a 442 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,520 walking group and dance Walk yeah as a 443 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,480 matter of fact when we had the it 444 01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:12,000 through more of you know back in the 445 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,520 neighborhoods people would wait till 446 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,320 they got to the pink store to walk 447 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,239 because it was too far to come all the 448 01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:25,990 way through the whole route um so yeah 449 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,920 I know but did you all know what I meant 450 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,840 when I said the pink store 451 01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,679 Julio it's still a pink store to me yeah 452 01:20:34,679 --> 01:20:36,960 it's it will always be the pink store to 453 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,480 me too all 454 01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:43,199 right Council any questions comments 455 01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:44,600 who's going to be 456 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:49,590 Santa Santa will be 457 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,120 Santa who's going to be Santa the same 458 01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,440 Santa that comes every every year at the 459 01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,639 end of the parade okay we're on his 460 01:20:58,639 --> 01:21:01,360 calendar right I mean he is on the 461 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,600 calendar perfect thank 462 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,440 you councel any other 463 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:11,719 questions well thank you very much 464 01:21:11,719 --> 01:21:14,560 Jackie and to all of your entire 465 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,199 Recreation Office department and uh Team 466 01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:22,159 yeah many employees thank 467 01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:26,280 you uh city manager announcement 468 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,120 uh just one mayor uh it looks like the 469 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,920 preliminary results related to measure L 470 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,960 are continuing to Trend right around 71 471 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,400 or 72% I think right around 71 I really 472 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,719 want to thank the council for all the 473 01:21:37,719 --> 01:21:40,360 work that they did in advocating uh 474 01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,400 providing education materials to the 475 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,360 community and really thank the residents 476 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,280 for their efforts and making sure that item got passed uh we'll be putting 477 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,600 some communication in the near term 478 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,719 about that um so just be on the lookout 479 01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:55,960 for that thank you mayor thank you uh 480 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,760 council members announcements and 481 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:03,920 reports uh Mr Wallace at this time um 482 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,600 Miss uh 483 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,880 sto yes thank you um to your question 484 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,679 the meeting G was April 2nd however 485 01:22:14,679 --> 01:22:17,159 that item has been brought up at several 486 01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:20,280 occasions um in involving investigations 487 01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,280 in our water and just follow up on many 488 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,000 items to tonight there's a slew of 489 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,600 minutes and purposely I believe that 490 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,560 this happens so that people might forget 491 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,000 that things are said during meetings if 492 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,840 they're not following up but thank you 493 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,159 for your diligence and coming before the 494 01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,080 council and and requesting that certain 495 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,400 items continue to move forward or keep 496 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,520 um bringing items up so that it doesn't 497 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,280 fall off the radar 498 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,960 um also Julio thank you so much for 499 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,400 tonight's uh comment 500 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,360 I am an advocate for the city of 501 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:01,360 Livingston and I do um I Am pro youth 502 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,880 Pro Elders Pro Livingston so what we can 503 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,719 do to provide events for the city of 504 01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:11,120 Livingston of course I've been on that 505 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,440 committee since 506 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:13,960 2014 507 01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,520 we've been you've been very successful 508 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,159 in coordinating a lot of events for the 509 01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:20,760 city of Livingston so thank you so much 510 01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,239 for your service to the city of 511 01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:25,080 Livingston and providing 512 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,480 uh the environments and the 513 01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:30,120 entertainments and the events um however 514 01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,760 we don't want to throw anybody on the 515 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,560 bus we want people to still continue to 516 01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,320 work on behalf of City events so that 517 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,360 they can continue to happen and we've 518 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,800 always reached out to other groups um 519 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,600 when they've requested certain things we 520 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,360 can't we at least I don't make promises 521 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,320 that they can happen but we do our best 522 01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,600 to make sure that we work with um our 523 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,639 youth especially the group that uh you 524 01:23:57,639 --> 01:23:59,639 discussed tonight so that we can keep 525 01:23:59,639 --> 01:24:02,159 our local talents coming out and 526 01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:06,239 performing at um our events so thank you 527 01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:09,159 um I do have uh something for Mr 528 01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:11,950 brazinski 529 01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,480 tonight as you know I'm part of the VFW 530 01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:20,229 our post 7792 531 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:22,639 auxiliary we do have a program through 532 01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:25,440 our VFW and it hasn't and it's been 533 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,920 promoted and it's been dis many of them 534 01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,080 have been 535 01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:34,000 displayed to date I can recall 13 536 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:38,520 banners that should be in the court yard 537 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,480 Plaza across the street and along Main 538 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:42,239 Street however there are about eight 539 01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:44,560 that have gone missing and I know that 540 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,199 I've had this conversation with public 541 01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:48,159 works and with our city city manager and 542 01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:50,719 our previous city manager of how we can 543 01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:54,560 work better with our 544 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,119 uh veterans with this program so that we 545 01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:03,360 um at least can find funding and a 546 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,760 procedure of how to display the banners 547 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,880 so that we can honor our currently 548 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,840 serving members in the military so 549 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,040 tonight um I do so for those of you that 550 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,440 haven't seen these before I do also have 551 01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:22,390 tonight's presentation um 552 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,639 with uhor Master Sergeant Ramon 553 01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:30,119 Lopez he was tragically killed last year 554 01:25:30,119 --> 01:25:33,639 but this is an honor for his son to have 555 01:25:33,639 --> 01:25:34,920 a 556 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,000 banner I do 557 01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,520 have another military Banner that I'd 558 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,440 like to present to um Dennis binski 559 01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:46,719 senior to his son who's currently 560 01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:50,679 serving in the uh Marine Corps these 561 01:25:50,679 --> 01:25:53,760 banners represent students that are from 562 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,400 living 563 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,520 that go into the military and they are 564 01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,679 currently serving the purpose of this is 565 01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:02,440 so that our community knows that we do 566 01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:04,600 have 567 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,760 um service 568 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:11,480 members that we as a council pray for at 569 01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:14,119 least we take a moment of silence for 570 01:26:14,119 --> 01:26:16,880 the protection also our p and 571 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:21,760 Mia and we just celebrated our veterans 572 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,880 so these are for our currently serving 573 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,239 um Mr brazinski has a son in in the 574 01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,400 Marine Corps and this Banner I'm going 575 01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,280 to go ahead and present it to him so 576 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,679 that at some point if he would like to 577 01:26:34,679 --> 01:26:36,360 hand it over to the city because I know 578 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,520 that during this time we're going to be 579 01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,760 taking down the decorations that are up 580 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,239 and putting up Christmas so this is 581 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,159 going to be taken down so whatever 582 01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,600 conversations you'd like to have with 583 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,000 our public works or with our city um 584 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,719 admin team to see how we can better 585 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:53,320 coordinate a program that I've been 586 01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:59,719 asking for for for I don't know many years um to see how we can work 587 01:26:59,719 --> 01:27:02,760 better with our our 588 01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,920 military um post so Mr brazinski thank 589 01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,460 you so much for your son's 590 01:27:11,470 --> 01:27:18,350 [Applause] 591 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:25,660 service he's on 592 01:27:25,670 --> 01:27:30,790 [Applause] 593 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,600 if there are members in the community 594 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,360 that have 595 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,119 um somebody serving and you'd like to 596 01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:39,920 have a banner 597 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,080 displayed uh your best bet is to either 598 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,320 contact UM Dennis Wells I don't have his 599 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,320 number memorized but he does have his 600 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,119 contact information over there on sth 601 01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:55,239 street at the new and improved VFW H 602 01:27:55,239 --> 01:27:59,070 okay thank 603 01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:05,470 you thank you uh mayor proam 604 01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:09,000 Su thank you Mr Mayor I just wanted to 605 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,920 add to what Mr Lopez said regarding 606 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,040 measure 607 01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:18,360 L uh you know election season everybody 608 01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,119 has their own things agendas when 609 01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:23,400 they're talking to public one thing I 610 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,880 can probably say say that every 611 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,239 candidate out there 612 01:28:27,239 --> 01:28:30,639 everyone was United in supporting our 613 01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:32,880 Public Safety our 614 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,000 services now I know that we will I just 615 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,040 we need to make sure that we keep our 616 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:46,800 word to the public in and using major L 617 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,199 for Public Safety a fire Services then 618 01:28:50,199 --> 01:28:52,400 the whatever is left over for other part 619 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,040 of uh Public Safety just want to make 620 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,760 sure I want to to assure the people that 621 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,719 I still have full attention of holding 622 01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:04,960 what I said to them we would do to make 623 01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,639 sure that measure L gets used properly 624 01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:13,790 thank 625 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,199 you thank you so uh I will hold my 626 01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:20,280 reports until next time uh to save some 627 01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,199 time because we have a lot of uh items 628 01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:25,239 on the agenda 629 01:29:25,239 --> 01:29:28,280 um next we have the uh consent agenda 630 01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,080 items on the consent calendar are 631 01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,159 considered routine and or 632 01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,639 non-controversial and will be enacted by 633 01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:36,320 one vote unless separate action is 634 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:37,840 requested by a member of the public the 635 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,560 city manager or city council member 636 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,199 there will be no separate discussion of 637 01:29:42,199 --> 01:29:44,119 these items unless members of the public 638 01:29:44,119 --> 01:29:46,639 city council or city manager request 639 01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:49,480 that that specific items be 640 01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:52,440 removed public comment on consent agenda 641 01:29:52,440 --> 01:29:54,280 items should be limited to 3 minutes per 642 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,840 person regardless of the number of items 643 01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,440 uh contained within the consent agenda 644 01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:05,480 so we have items one 2 3 four five six 645 01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:11,430 all the way up 646 01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:16,520 to 38 in the uh consent agenda items is 647 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,000 there are there any questions on any of 648 01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,239 the items uh whether it's just a 649 01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:23,080 question or that needs to be removed 650 01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,719 from the consent and discussed 651 01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:27,480 separately Council Mr 652 01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:30,239 Wallace misso I have a question on item 653 01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:33,109 number 654 01:30:33,119 --> 01:30:35,159 32 655 01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:38,840 um question you want to take it out or 656 01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,600 just just a question be and keep it keep 657 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,920 it in on 658 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,159 consent I just want to know I because it 659 01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:49,440 does say that there's going to be a 660 01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:52,080 pricing option and since there's no 661 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,480 discussion how are we going to direct 662 01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:59,480 the city manager to choose which way to 663 01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:01,440 um have this 664 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,760 agreement I do well well well I do 665 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,239 believe the recommendation was to do the 666 01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:08,760 three years 667 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,320 from uh from the office but from the 668 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,600 city manager's office but go ahead the 669 01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,679 resolution does include the retainer 670 01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:20,119 option for the city of Livingston 671 01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:22,280 instead of the pr Grant basis council 672 01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,600 member 673 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,040 the retainer fee will be covered through 674 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,280 the general fund unencumbered funds for 675 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:36,390 57,000 annually that's correct thank you 676 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,880 sure Council 677 01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,040 uh uh mayor P now if there are no 678 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,639 questions or any comments I'd like to 679 01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,719 make the motion to approve the conent 680 01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:54,189 calendar 681 01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:57,270 oh 682 01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:17,070 yeah I'll 683 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,119 second all right so before we move 684 01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:20,600 forward I do want to just go out for 685 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,920 public comment is there any uh questions 686 01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,239 is there any uh citizen comment on any 687 01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:28,840 of the items on the agenda on I'm sorry 688 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:34,070 on the consent agenda anyone on the 689 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:38,119 phone uh hearing none uh anyone in the 690 01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:40,760 chamber seeing none bringing it back at 691 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,000 8:28 uh so we do have a motion on the 692 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,639 floor uh a motion 693 01:32:45,639 --> 01:32:48,800 by by mayor prend Samra and the second 694 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,719 by council member Soo roll call please 695 01:32:51,719 --> 01:32:54,679 roll call council member w 696 01:32:54,679 --> 01:32:58,440 yes council member Soto yes mayor PM Sam 697 01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:01,880 yes mayor modan yes motion approved by 698 01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:06,040 vot of four Z thank you uh next we have 699 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,960 a public hearing item number 39 700 01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,920 resolution to confirm the close out of 701 01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,040 the city's Community Development block 702 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,360 grants uh cdbg 20 cdbg 703 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,149 uh- CV 704 01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:28,600 2-3-6 and 20- cdbg D CV2 D3 705 01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:33,880 d0000034 staff recommendation approved 706 01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,840 resolution I believe we have someone on 707 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,639 line or happy to present this item um do 708 01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:49,430 we have a self-help representative 709 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:51,520 online so happy if you could just 710 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,440 present the staff report that'd be great 711 01:33:55,440 --> 01:34:59,430 EX 712 01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:01,360 good evening mayor staff members of the 713 01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,800 audience so this item is a resolution 714 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,920 allowing the allowing the closeout to 715 01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,199 process of the city's cdbg CV 20 and 716 01:35:10,199 --> 01:35:13,679 cdbg CV 2-3 717 01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:17,880 00006 and 20 cdbg CV 2-3 718 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,159 0034 so these are two separate grants 719 01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:23,880 that the city had got when Co was was 720 01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,679 around and this was to allow the 721 01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:28,080 citizens that were behind on their 722 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,760 utility bills mortgages 723 01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:32,679 um any kind of Bill that they were 724 01:35:32,679 --> 01:35:34,280 behind on to get assistance from the 725 01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,199 city so now we're closing these out the 726 01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:42,280 first one which is the 20 cdb GCV 2-3 727 01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,159 0034 as you guys read through the 728 01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:46,280 application I mean as the staff report 729 01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:50,320 we had around 81 applicants received 64 730 01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,920 households assisted and then 17 were 731 01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,679 denied 732 01:35:54,679 --> 01:35:56,560 rental assistance provided for one 733 01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,400 mortgage assistance for nine and utility 734 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,360 assistance for 91 so majority of the 735 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,520 people that applied for this were for 736 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,239 the utility 737 01:36:05,239 --> 01:36:08,080 bills applicants were denied typically 738 01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,440 due to the applicant not providing 739 01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:12,199 necessary documentation rental mortgage 740 01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:14,280 utilities um will not add up to the 741 01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:15,639 application complete due to some 742 01:36:15,639 --> 01:36:18,199 households receiving more than one form 743 01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:19,719 of assistance so if you received one 744 01:36:19,719 --> 01:36:22,119 form of assistance then you can't apply 745 01:36:22,119 --> 01:36:23,960 for it again so that's what lot of these 746 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,480 were 747 01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:28,000 for as we kind of went through the whole 748 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,040 process um we are dis encumbering around 749 01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,840 $99 of this grant so we used basically 750 01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,600 the total $ 114,000 that we received on 751 01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,800 the second Grant which is the 20 cdbg CV 752 01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,440 2-36 this one was specifically for the 753 01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:47,880 business assistance which was converted 754 01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,880 to the substance program so we weren't 755 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:51,600 getting enough of the business 756 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,880 assistance um for the businesses to come 757 01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,840 and kind of get the assist they 758 01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,840 needed so what self help did with the 759 01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,560 city's with the city's help is we went 760 01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,239 back to cdbg and try to reallocate these 761 01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:08,119 funds for substance payments program a 762 01:37:08,119 --> 01:37:10,560 lot of the people that applied for the 763 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,960 second phase of this when we had this 764 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,360 money did already got the assistance for 765 01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,480 the first one so that's why we got a lot 766 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,760 of denials on this second 767 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,320 side applications received 34 assisted 768 01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,360 18 and 16 were 769 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,719 denied um so on this grant since we did 770 01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:31,560 get over 200,000 we are estimating 771 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,119 around 108 being disencumbered and given 772 01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:36,920 back to the state and and a lot of that 773 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,920 was just cuz a lot of people already got 774 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:40,719 the assistance they needed and they 775 01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:43,000 couldn't basically apply again to get 776 01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,920 the to get the assistance so right now 777 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,080 um there's no fiscal impact to the city 778 01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,800 since it is a grant so there's nothing 779 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,440 that we got to give back to um the state 780 01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:55,719 so right now we're we're recommending an 781 01:37:55,719 --> 01:37:59,040 approval for this close out of these 782 01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,320 grants Mr Mayor if I could also add one 783 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:02,800 thing as part of the closeout 784 01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,119 requirements the council is required to 785 01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:06,840 have a public hearing that's why it's 786 01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,040 listed under the public hearing item so 787 01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,920 as part of um the process we would ask 788 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,000 that the mayor open the public hearing 789 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,679 ask for public comment um close the 790 01:38:16,679 --> 01:38:19,760 public hearing um before adopting the uh 791 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,880 resolution as requested by staff 792 01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,040 all right so at this time at 8:33 I'm 793 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,040 going to open the uh public hearing is 794 01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,639 there anyone in in the on the phone that 795 01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:35,350 has any questions in regards to this 796 01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,599 item hearing none coming back to the 797 01:38:37,599 --> 01:38:40,239 chamber at 8:33 anyone in the chamber 798 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:44,030 with questions in regards to this 799 01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,560 item seeing none bringing it back to the 800 01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:50,080 Das at 8:34 closing the 801 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:55,360 uh public hearing 8:34 Council any 802 01:38:55,360 --> 01:39:00,310 questions 803 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,599 motions a motion to approve the 804 01:39:03,599 --> 01:39:06,400 resolution close out of the process by C 805 01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:07,760 cdbg 806 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:14,430 CV2 cdbg CV and the rest of it the 807 01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:18,040 grants okay so I just got a little cough 808 01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,520 so we have a motion on the floor uh by 809 01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,599 mayor PM Samra second by council member 810 01:39:23,599 --> 01:39:26,639 Wallace roll call please roll call 811 01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,239 council member Wallace yes council 812 01:39:29,239 --> 01:39:33,880 member Soto yes Mayor portm Sam yesan 813 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,080 yes motion passes by a vote of 4 Z thank 814 01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:38,880 you next we have discussion and 815 01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,840 potential action items item number 40 816 01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,199 consideration of a resolution to appoint 817 01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:45,800 just Neil sing to the Planning 818 01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:47,840 Commission as a regular member of the 819 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,639 Planning Commission and resolution to 820 01:39:49,639 --> 01:39:51,040 appoint Diego Castillo to the Planning 821 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,360 Commission as an alternate member staff 822 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,280 recommendation approved 823 01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:01,550 resolutions 824 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,800 Miguel good evening mayor members of the 825 01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,199 council members of the audience Miguel 826 01:40:06,199 --> 01:40:10,199 galz contract city planner just to be a 827 01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:13,239 little quick history on June 18th 2024 828 01:40:13,239 --> 01:40:15,119 the city council appointed planning 829 01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,440 commissioner Robert Wallace to the livon 830 01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:20,000 city council congratulations Mr Wallace 831 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,000 on the same day Mr Wallace verbally 832 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,119 resigned from the Planning Commission 833 01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:26,679 creating a vacancy on the Livingston 834 01:40:26,679 --> 01:40:28,719 Planning Commission Mr Wallace 835 01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:29,960 subsequently submitted a letter of 836 01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,480 resignation on June 19 837 01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:36,040 2024 Mr Wallace was serving a term of a 838 01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,360 regular Planning Commission member with 839 01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,320 his term set to expire at the end of 840 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,440 this year December 31st 841 01:40:42,440 --> 01:40:44,920 2024 with a vacancy on the roster of the 842 01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,400 Planning Commission staff recommends 843 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,920 that an alternate planning commissioner 844 01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,840 be appointed to the Planning Commission 845 01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,400 as a regular member the appointment to 846 01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:54,840 fill this vacancy will have a new 847 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,560 four-year term starting on January 1st 848 01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,360 2025 and ending on December 31st 849 01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,000 2028 chronologically based on when the 850 01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,400 applications were submitted uh Planning 851 01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,000 Commission alternate Jess Neil is next 852 01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,400 and in line to serve as a regular member 853 01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,520 of the Planning Commission if appointed 854 01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,000 a vacancy for an alternate member of the 855 01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,280 Planning Commission will also be created 856 01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,840 and should be 857 01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,639 filled on May 30th 2024 Mr Diego 858 01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:26,960 Castillo applied to serve on the lyston 859 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,040 Planning Commission no other 860 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,520 applications to serve on the Planning 861 01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,199 Commission have been received 862 01:41:32,199 --> 01:41:35,760 today staff recommends that the council 863 01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,320 also adopt the resolution to approve 864 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:38,840 Diego Castillo to the Planning 865 01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,280 Commission as an alternate member with a 866 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:45,960 trim expiring on December 31st 20 27 in 867 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,480 summary staff recommends that the 868 01:41:47,480 --> 01:41:50,560 council consider two resolutions the 869 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:52,280 first to appoint Jess nil sing to the 870 01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:53,880 planning commissioner 871 01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,920 as a regular member with his term ending 872 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,080 on December 31st 873 01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,960 2028 and secondly to appoint Mr Deo 874 01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:03,199 Castillo to the Planning Commission as 875 01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:05,480 an alternate member with a term expiring 876 01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:07,599 on December 31st 877 01:42:07,599 --> 01:42:09,920 2027 that concludes my report and 878 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,360 staff's available for 879 01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:16,910 questions Council are there any 880 01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,520 questions when did do you recall when 881 01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:21,760 the council approved 882 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,880 the uh 883 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,000 allowing outside of the city boundaries 884 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,800 to be part of the planning 885 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,440 um I I don't recall the date I know it's 886 01:42:32,440 --> 01:42:35,000 in our ordinance on our Municipal Code 887 01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,000 that allows Mr Diego casil lives outside 888 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,320 of the city limits but he is within the 889 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,360 uh Livingston School District boundary 890 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:44,960 and there's provisions of the city 891 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,480 ordinance that allows a member to be 892 01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:48,239 appointed that if they're not in the 893 01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:50,440 city as long as they're inside the the 894 01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:52,239 School attendance boundary do I know the 895 01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,840 date I I don't know off hand I'm 896 01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,320 sorry I want to say it's racing maybe 897 01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:59,560 like about two or three years ago but 898 01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,400 I'd have to confirm now is it more than 899 01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:13,470 that I'm sorry I don't 900 01:43:13,480 --> 01:43:16,119 know at this time I will go out for 901 01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:18,360 public comment is there any uh citizen 902 01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,520 comments on the phone in regards to this 903 01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:25,270 item anyone on the phone 904 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:26,599 hearing none bringing it back to the 905 01:43:26,599 --> 01:43:29,400 chamber any citizen comments in the 906 01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,960 chamber seeing none uh bringing it back 907 01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,360 to ad at 908 01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:38,709 838 Mr Mayor I'd like 909 01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:41,520 to Mr sing 910 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,320 and positions were 911 01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,639 mentioned I will second 912 01:43:47,639 --> 01:43:50,280 that uh we have a motion on the floor by 913 01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:53,840 Mr Wallace and mayor PM Samra uh roll 914 01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,560 call please roll call council member 915 01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:05,030 Wallace yes council member 916 01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,080 SoDo at this moment 917 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:13,159 no mayor PM Samra yes mayor Moran yes 918 01:44:13,159 --> 01:44:16,159 motion passes by a vote of 31 next we 919 01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,760 have item 920 01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,239 41 consideration of a resolution 921 01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:23,360 authorizing repayment of the state 922 01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,679 California Senate Bill sb2 planning 923 01:44:26,679 --> 01:44:31,000 grants program contract number 1 19- 924 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,080 pgp1 925 01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,760 13591 Grant back to the state of 926 01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,800 California Department of Housing and 927 01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:39,480 Community Development staff 928 01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:45,189 recommendation approved 929 01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,280 resolution Miguel GA once again um here 930 01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:51,560 to present this item a little background 931 01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:53,679 uh on March 28 932 01:44:53,679 --> 01:44:56,159 2019 State of California Department of 933 01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:57,320 Housing and Community Development 934 01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,119 otherwise known as hcd issued a notice 935 01:45:00,119 --> 01:45:02,199 of funding availability for Senate Bill 936 01:45:02,199 --> 01:45:05,800 s SP2 planning grants program it's it 937 01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,520 was a non-competitive planning grant 938 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:11,040 program the program provides a one-time 939 01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:12,800 funding for technical assistance to 940 01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,440 local governments to help streamline 941 01:45:14,440 --> 01:45:16,679 housing approvals and to accelerate 942 01:45:16,679 --> 01:45:17,639 housing 943 01:45:17,639 --> 01:45:21,320 production on November 5th 2019 the city 944 01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:23,480 council authorized application 945 01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:27,709 to this program in the amount of 946 01:45:27,719 --> 01:45:31,239 $160,000 on March 11th 947 01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:35,760 2020 the grant contract was executed a 948 01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:39,679 total of $160,000 was awarded per hcd 949 01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:42,280 contract number 19- 950 01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:45,719 pgp 1359 with the contract expiration 951 01:45:45,719 --> 01:45:47,239 date of December 952 01:45:47,239 --> 01:45:49,520 31st 953 01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:53,560 2022 on March 21st 2021 954 01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:57,760 the city executed a mou 955 01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:02,719 with J Livingston um ranches limited 956 01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:05,080 liability Corporation to develop a 957 01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,159 residential mixed use community on 958 01:46:07,159 --> 01:46:10,040 approximately 35 Acre infill Site 959 01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:11,760 through the processing of a specific 960 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,159 plan a general plan Amendment and 961 01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:16,320 Associated environmental 962 01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,520 assessment um however it was discovered 963 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,119 that the mou did not meet the state 964 01:46:20,119 --> 01:46:21,520 procurement 965 01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:23,840 requirements moreover the grant award 966 01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,199 only funded a portion of the overall 967 01:46:26,199 --> 01:46:28,800 project the overall entitlement process 968 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:30,440 would require additional 969 01:46:30,440 --> 01:46:32,560 funding in November 970 01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,560 2022 excuse me November uh 971 01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,280 2021 the initial draft Livingston 972 01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:39,880 commment specific plan was submitted to 973 01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,719 the city to commence the enement process 974 01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:45,320 March of the following year uh City 975 01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:48,119 provided comments to the applicant and 976 01:46:48,119 --> 01:46:50,040 those were relay um both to the 977 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:53,040 applicant and the applicant's agent 978 01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,000 um during this time the applicant 979 01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:56,320 requested reimbursement for the 980 01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,480 applicants cost that have been incurred 981 01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,920 to prepare the 982 01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,320 plan subsequently the city received two 983 01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,159 reimbursements from AC CD totaling 984 01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:10,840 $154,700 with 67 cents which were U 985 01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,920 relate to the applicant for their 986 01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,199 cost unfortunately with the retirement 987 01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,199 of the applicant's project manager no 988 01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:18,719 further progress has been made on the 989 01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:21,760 specific plan to date at this point the 990 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,440 city is out of compliance 991 01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:25,159 with both the timing and procurement 992 01:47:25,159 --> 01:47:27,440 requirements of hd's planning grant 993 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:30,119 program the state is now requesting that 994 01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:35,750 the grant dispersements totally 995 01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,159 $4,795 plus ACR interest be repay to the 996 01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:42,040 state by the end of this 997 01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,320 month in conclusion staff recommends 998 01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:45,880 that the city council adopt a resolution 999 01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:49,159 ordering two actions number one ordering 1000 01:47:49,159 --> 01:47:50,360 the city 1001 01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:53,760 manager um who who is authorized and 1002 01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,000 directed to reimburse the state of 1003 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,480 California Department Housing and 1004 01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:59,639 Community Development uh the amount of 1005 01:47:59,639 --> 01:48:02,800 154,50 n67 cents plus cost 1006 01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,719 reimbursements for 1007 01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:08,920 um uh any interest that's applicable for 1008 01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,679 the preparation of the draft 1009 01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:14,880 uh specific plan and two approve a 1010 01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:16,280 supplemental appropriation from the 1011 01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,880 general fund Reserve to cover this 1012 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,480 cost uh that concludes my presentation 1013 01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:24,280 staffs available for comments or 1014 01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:27,119 questions Council are there any comments 1015 01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:29,080 questions at this 1016 01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,370 time before I go out for public 1017 01:48:31,370 --> 01:48:36,830 [Music] 1018 01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,440 comment so I I I do have a couple of 1019 01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:43,480 questions um Miguel 1020 01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:45,599 so well first of all and I think you 1021 01:48:45,599 --> 01:48:47,840 already explained it but just 1022 01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,990 for 1023 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:54,080 clarification in the reports says that 1024 01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:57,440 uh this whole 1025 01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:00,599 work was there was a number used 300 1026 01:49:00,599 --> 01:49:03,480 like around 360,000 or so I I I mean 1027 01:49:03,480 --> 01:49:08,990 without have 350,000 360,000 1028 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,760 but 365 somewhere around there uh but 1029 01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,400 only 160 was requested even though we 1030 01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,760 knew that we were we were about 200,000 1031 01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:20,800 and a few thousand other thousand 1032 01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,280 dollars short 1033 01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:27,400 but that it was also said that we will 1034 01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,800 figure it out and in the future we'll 1035 01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,800 look for additional grants right um and 1036 01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:36,440 then also part of the requirements for 1037 01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:41,629 this grant was that 1038 01:49:41,639 --> 01:49:46,679 um any third-party contracts would 1039 01:49:46,679 --> 01:49:50,840 be or or subc subcontracts would be 1040 01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,679 through the process or or of an RFP 1041 01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:56,840 process which was not done correct yes 1042 01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,400 oh that's correct and so this 1043 01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,080 subcontractor that did all this work for 1044 01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,320 which the 1045 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,320 $160,000 was 1046 01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:09,960 used was not a subcontract through the 1047 01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,199 city but rather 1048 01:50:12,199 --> 01:50:15,159 through uh the applicant yes the the 1049 01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:16,679 applicant which 1050 01:50:16,679 --> 01:50:21,840 is yeah but the uh actual name is Gall 1051 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,280 Gallow right Gallow 1052 01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:26,840 Ranch uh the owner of the of that 1053 01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,760 property and so what we did or what the 1054 01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:32,719 city did at that time was the city 1055 01:50:32,719 --> 01:50:34,000 applied for a 1056 01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,719 grant to give it to a private 1057 01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:40,199 developer for those costs and then 1058 01:50:40,199 --> 01:50:42,320 instead of having the 1059 01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:45,800 city go through an RFP process to 1060 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,360 subcontract the the service 1061 01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:50,800 provider that was a service provider 1062 01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:55,119 contracted by Gallow Ranch not the city 1063 01:50:55,119 --> 01:50:57,239 which already that broke the agreement 1064 01:50:57,239 --> 01:50:59,920 with the with the state in the first 1065 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,199 place that's correct the the contract 1066 01:51:02,199 --> 01:51:05,760 was not properly set up um to meet the 1067 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,040 state requirements so yes you're correct 1068 01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,880 and then the initial agreement was that 1069 01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,239 all of that work was going to be 1070 01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:14,920 completed by 1071 01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:18,320 20 20 initially it would be completed by 1072 01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:20,920 December 31st 2022 there was a one-year 1073 01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:23,360 extension but nothing has been completed 1074 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:27,280 today because uh also on the report it's 1075 01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:30,560 it it's it's included that some some 1076 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,040 questions were still asked back to to 1077 01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,639 Gallow but Gallow never responded to the 1078 01:51:35,639 --> 01:51:42,079 city so automatically that worked that's the last that's where it stands 1079 01:51:42,079 --> 01:51:44,199 right now right yes correct staff 1080 01:51:44,199 --> 01:51:47,079 provided comments on the specific plan 1081 01:51:47,079 --> 01:51:48,520 um and those comments have not been 1082 01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,079 addressed by the applicant to date and 1083 01:51:51,079 --> 01:51:54,040 so now because the ground was 1084 01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,639 applied by the city so now the city is 1085 01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:59,800 responsible for those 160 thou or almost 1086 01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,520 $160,000 even though that that money was 1087 01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:06,520 already refunded to Gallow for the the 1088 01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:08,280 work that they paid to their 1089 01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:18,790 subcontractor correct correct 1090 01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,040 okay is there any documentation that 1091 01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:23,400 says 1092 01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:25,280 where the other extra 1093 01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:29,040 $200,000 were hoping to come from to 1094 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,920 cover the whole cost that was figure out 1095 01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:32,400 at that time and then my other question 1096 01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,280 is going to be based on your 1097 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,440 professional experience were that amount 1098 01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:41,040 of $360,000 would would that have been 1099 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,320 enough to cover all of the work that 1100 01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:46,040 needed to be done that was said it was 1101 01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:47,079 going to be 1102 01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:50,440 done um responding to your first 1103 01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:53,320 question in the mlu between the city and 1104 01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:56,280 Joseph V gallow the mou commented that 1105 01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,159 the city would pursue additional funding 1106 01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:02,239 to um bring to bar to develop the 1107 01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:04,639 specific plan so there was an 1108 01:53:04,639 --> 01:53:05,800 understanding the city would pursue 1109 01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,480 funding there's no guarantee that it 1110 01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:10,040 would be successful respond to your 1111 01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,239 second question yes there was a budget 1112 01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:13,560 of I think 1113 01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,199 $365,000 to do the whole work in my 1114 01:53:16,199 --> 01:53:18,119 professional opinion in today's market 1115 01:53:18,119 --> 01:53:20,880 that is wul uh 1116 01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,239 under um 1117 01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:25,639 and this is just to do the entitlement 1118 01:53:25,639 --> 01:53:27,320 work you know beyond that you actually 1119 01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,440 have to do engineering work to prepare 1120 01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:31,440 Improvement plans and to do the actual 1121 01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:33,679 construction and I suspect the applant 1122 01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:35,360 would be looking for the city to pursue 1123 01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,480 additional funding sources for that um 1124 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:43,360 so yes at at this point U the specific 1125 01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,800 plan remains incomplete funds have been 1126 01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,159 spent and the state is now requesting 1127 01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:50,239 their funding back because we were not 1128 01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:52,040 able to meet the terms of our contract 1129 01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:53,560 agreement 1130 01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:55,440 and then since engineering and you're 1131 01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:56,960 here and then I don't know cuz you know 1132 01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:57,920 I don't know how much of that 1133 01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,000 information you're going to have for 1134 01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:02,840 this next question do we have a uh a 1135 01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:04,719 figure more or less probably it's not 1136 01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:07,040 specific but more or less how much was 1137 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,560 that spent on our on our end as a City 1138 01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,920 Planning and Engineering on this project 1139 01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:13,840 if 1140 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,599 any um I don't have an exact figure a 1141 01:54:16,599 --> 01:54:20,320 ballpark figure you know one is the cost 1142 01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,000 that the applicant incurred for hiring 1143 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,800 their consultant and we reimburse 1144 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,320 $150,000 I don't know there was 1145 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,520 additional cost there and there was cost 1146 01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,440 associated with City staff review that's 1147 01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:32,719 the engineering review planning review 1148 01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:36,079 and I would say maybe between $4 and 1149 01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:39,679 $50,000 for the city's cost to review 1150 01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:41,679 that the 1151 01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:46,199 document so once depending on what the 1152 01:54:46,199 --> 01:54:48,119 this Council decides to do so it be 1153 01:54:48,119 --> 01:54:50,360 roughly if we end up paying it back and 1154 01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,400 we decide to pay it back to the state 1155 01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,639 would be roughly about 160 plus 40 1156 01:54:54,639 --> 01:54:57,679 $50,000 roughly about $200 1157 01:54:57,679 --> 01:55:00,920 $210,000 cost that the city would have 1158 01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:04,040 incurred for 1159 01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,280 this project yeah the city would only be 1160 01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:08,760 responsible for reimbursing the state 1161 01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:12,639 for the cost that the the state just um 1162 01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:15,480 reimburse the the applicant the cost 1163 01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:17,440 incurred by City staff or City 1164 01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,520 Contractor staff um that would not be 1165 01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,119 reimbursed by the state that's something 1166 01:55:21,119 --> 01:55:24,079 that would um 1167 01:55:24,079 --> 01:55:26,880 would be I should say invite the city if 1168 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,000 you will yeah no I understand that I 1169 01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,480 just wanted it to kind of have like a 1170 01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:34,679 real you know ballpark idea what the 1171 01:55:34,679 --> 01:55:37,760 whole item what going to cause the city 1172 01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,719 I do have another question but I I have 1173 01:55:39,719 --> 01:55:41,599 to look for the information and because 1174 01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:45,040 in thatou it also includes language that 1175 01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:48,000 says that uh that the city would be 1176 01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,079 covering all the costs for any anything 1177 01:55:50,079 --> 01:55:52,040 being done on our end and I understand 1178 01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:54,159 that that was already included but I'm 1179 01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:55,679 not sure if that was a good thing to 1180 01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,800 have in there because we're we're we're 1181 01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:02,280 saying we're just giving away money to a private developer for from the 1182 01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:04,280 residents to somebody else that they're 1183 01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:09,520 going to you know but anyways uh councel 1184 01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,920 any questions so at this time I'm going 1185 01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,320 to go out for public comment is there 1186 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,560 any uh citizen comments on the phone in 1187 01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,239 regards to this 1188 01:56:17,239 --> 01:56:21,079 item 851 here and now coming back to the 1189 01:56:21,079 --> 01:56:27,709 chamber any citizen comments in the 1190 01:56:27,719 --> 01:56:29,639 chamber if you can please stay your name 1191 01:56:29,639 --> 01:56:31,400 for the 1192 01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,079 record je uh just based on conversation 1193 01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:35,280 I was had right now in reading of the 1194 01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,639 staff report seems very trying to think 1195 01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:41,800 of a nice way to say it illogical to 1196 01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,560 have requested $200,000 less and 1197 01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,520 obviously now we have to pay out of fund 1198 01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:47,320 is 1199 01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:49,119 there it seems like we kind of just 1200 01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:51,040 threw money away here and I don't know 1201 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,000 if any of you were on Council when this 1202 01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,719 was voted through obviously uh Mr Lopez 1203 01:56:55,719 --> 01:56:56,880 I know you weren't the city manager at 1204 01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,840 the time either but is there no le uh 1205 01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,440 maybe Mr to question to you is there no 1206 01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:05,079 legal safeguard for that like in the 1207 01:57:05,079 --> 01:57:07,960 sense of going through with the project 1208 01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:09,159 approving it but not actually 1209 01:57:09,159 --> 01:57:13,189 identifying any funding sources for 1210 01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:15,440 it what I'll say is I haven't gone 1211 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,800 through theou so as of right now I don't 1212 01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,800 know if there could potentially be a 1213 01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:22,960 claim asserted by the city 1214 01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,880 uh against the applicant uh related to 1215 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:27,119 the loss 1216 01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:30,040 incurred uh but I have reviewed the 1217 01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:34,079 grant portion and and the request from 1218 01:57:34,079 --> 01:57:38,239 hcd and um unfortunately based on the 1219 01:57:38,239 --> 01:57:39,119 grant 1220 01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:41,920 terms uh there's really not much the 1221 01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,159 city can do with regard to repayment of 1222 01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:50,669 that of those funds okay all right thank 1223 01:57:50,679 --> 01:57:53,960 you any comments in the chamber in 1224 01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,320 regards to this 1225 01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:59,719 item see now bringing it back to the Das 1226 01:57:59,719 --> 01:58:02,669 at 1227 01:58:02,679 --> 01:58:09,229 853 Council any 1228 01:58:09,239 --> 01:58:12,960 questions I just think it's really 1229 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,440 unfortunate that this item was brought 1230 01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,880 to council and I was on this council at 1231 01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:21,760 the time that this was approved um when 1232 01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:23,360 you paint a pretty picture from some 1233 01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:25,480 projects that come into the City and how 1234 01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:28,920 it would benefit the city as a whole um 1235 01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,550 and not 1236 01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:34,119 truly getting all the information up 1237 01:58:34,119 --> 01:58:39,960 front on how that how the funds would be 1238 01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:42,400 generated it's it's quite 1239 01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,040 deceiving so again we've we've heard 1240 01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:49,320 many stories and I think U May Moran 1241 01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:51,040 has 1242 01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,800 without saying it this was uh 1243 01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,440 quite 1244 01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:59,520 deceiving on how the the 1245 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,880 funds were supposed to be so again the 1246 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,639 language that's put into some of Theseus 1247 01:59:05,639 --> 01:59:09,400 should a Coulda would a goes in there 1248 01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:12,679 unless you really nail it down to will 1249 01:59:12,679 --> 01:59:16,639 happen it may not so seeing that some of 1250 01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:18,119 the funds 1251 01:59:18,119 --> 01:59:20,400 were for lack of a better 1252 01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:26,159 term just given a way it's it's a 1253 01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:31,360 shame that a city manager would 1254 01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:35,040 have put some things forward this way 1255 01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,079 and it has continued in some other 1256 01:59:37,079 --> 01:59:40,760 aspects through uh the grant process 1257 01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:44,040 where funds may look like they are 1258 01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:46,079 available and that we would try our 1259 01:59:46,079 --> 01:59:48,679 hardest but again city of Livingston 1260 01:59:48,679 --> 01:59:51,000 didn't didn't have the per the expertise 1261 01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:52,639 of a grant writer 1262 01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:54,800 but for someone to make promises that 1263 01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:58,280 they could find sources where this money 1264 01:59:58,280 --> 01:59:59,360 would come 1265 01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:02,639 from we're at a 1266 02:00:02,639 --> 02:00:05,000 loss and it's unfortunate for the city 1267 02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:06,040 of 1268 02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:09,000 Livingston and I did vote Yes on this 1269 02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,560 project because it was at the 1270 02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:13,800 time the information that we were 1271 02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:17,599 provided with not knowing that it would 1272 02:00:17,599 --> 02:00:21,199 come to this in the end and so if you 1273 02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:22,639 look at the whole 1274 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:27,079 picture and put things together you may 1275 02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:29,639 realize some things 1276 02:00:29,639 --> 02:00:32,639 are not what they're meant to 1277 02:00:32,639 --> 02:00:41,510 be and we're paying for 1278 02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:46,629 it councel any other questions 1279 02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:49,599 comments 1280 02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:52,280 motions at this time I don't think we 1281 02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,920 have a whole lot of choices soit the 1282 02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:57,440 motion to adopt the resolution 1283 02:00:57,440 --> 02:00:59,040 authorizing repayment to the state of 1284 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,360 California Senate Bill sb2 planning 1285 02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:06,239 Grant programs contract number 19 pgp 1286 02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:08,239 13591 uh Grant back to State of 1287 02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:10,280 California Department Housing and 1288 02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:12,870 Community 1289 02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,960 Development is there a 1290 02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:19,430 second a motion on the floor is there a 1291 02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,599 second I'll second it we really don't 1292 02:01:21,599 --> 02:01:24,510 have a 1293 02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:27,639 choice so we have a motion on the floor 1294 02:01:27,639 --> 02:01:30,199 by mayor proam second by council member 1295 02:01:30,199 --> 02:01:33,079 Soto roll call please roll call council 1296 02:01:33,079 --> 02:01:36,880 member Wallace yes council member Soto 1297 02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:43,000 yes mayor PM Sam yes mayor modan yes 1298 02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:46,440 motion passes by a vote of 4 1299 02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:49,480 z um actually just one last question I 1300 02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:51,159 mean I I I know it's on the report but 1301 02:01:51,159 --> 02:01:53,199 probably for people that didn't read the 1302 02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:56,599 550 pages in this report uh where is 1303 02:01:56,599 --> 02:01:58,280 this money coming 1304 02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:01,639 from uh P general fund reserves 1305 02:02:01,639 --> 02:02:04,000 mayor like I said I know that but you 1306 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:07,639 know just so we all know all right thank 1307 02:02:07,639 --> 02:02:12,470 you so next we have 1308 02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:14,760 um item 1309 02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:18,280 44 um discussion and Direction regarding 1310 02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:20,880 recognition of Lupe and Aurora Garcia I 1311 02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:22,920 know that uh this this item was 1312 02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:27,280 requested by uh council member uh so um 1313 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:31,599 Jason rod and uh I did ask him if he had 1314 02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:33,440 to leave right after our close session 1315 02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,560 because he wasn't feeling too well I 1316 02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,760 hope he's feeling better um 1317 02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:41,040 but I don't know if anybody has any 1318 02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,840 information in regards 1319 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:45,159 to the discussion in Direction moving 1320 02:02:45,159 --> 02:02:47,040 forward I know that that the majority of 1321 02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:48,880 the council was in favor 1322 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:52,760 of something but what does something 1323 02:02:52,760 --> 02:02:56,229 is as far 1324 02:02:56,239 --> 02:02:58,040 as I don't 1325 02:02:58,040 --> 02:03:02,040 know uh go ahead uh thank you mayor uh 1326 02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:03,599 this was something that council member 1327 02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:05,360 Roth had asked for I went through my 1328 02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,480 text messages I know that council member 1329 02:03:07,480 --> 02:03:10,880 Roth has met with the family and he has 1330 02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:13,280 uh provided a narrative that talks about 1331 02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:16,280 the family the husband and the wife and 1332 02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:18,320 then he requested the family requested 1333 02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,800 that a picture be included on the plaque 1334 02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:22,280 that's all the information that I know I 1335 02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:24,280 don't know the location I don't know any 1336 02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:26,000 of those other details but that is what 1337 02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:28,199 I have in a text message from uh 1338 02:03:28,199 --> 02:03:30,400 September from council member Roth 1339 02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:35,040 mayor Mr Mayor yes go ahead uh I know 1340 02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:40,400 this is Mr uh R's uh project along with 1341 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,960 you have we decided where to put the 1342 02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,320 plaque or if that we're going to do the 1343 02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,800 plaque I mean I wish Mr wat was here 1344 02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,360 unfortunately he's May Mr chavaria is 1345 02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:55,189 coming he must know something 1346 02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:58,159 Anthony yeah good evening Council 1347 02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:01,679 Anthony Chia Public Works um there was a 1348 02:04:01,679 --> 02:04:02,760 location 1349 02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:05,440 identified uh at Memorial Park uh next 1350 02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:09,280 to the between the uh uh the stage at 1351 02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:11,639 Memorial Park and the Main Street 1352 02:04:11,639 --> 02:04:13,239 sidewalk 1353 02:04:13,239 --> 02:04:16,639 um a plaque was identified with a 1354 02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:21,159 picture uh and uh as well as a a tree uh 1355 02:04:21,159 --> 02:04:25,040 to Memorial oriz uh the uh the area a 1356 02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,239 tree would be planted um The Next Step 1357 02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:32,400 would be to one purchase a tree and uh 1358 02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:36,639 set a a planning um I don't know Mr 1359 02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:40,400 Roth and uh wants to have a 1360 02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:43,679 presentation um for the timing of 1361 02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:46,520 this that might want to discuss that as 1362 02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:49,440 well you know I would recommend a spring 1363 02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,199 type of uh presentation for weather's a 1364 02:04:52,199 --> 02:04:57,510 little bit better trees are 1365 02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:01,079 blooming okay uh I think it's it is a 1366 02:05:01,079 --> 02:05:04,760 good idea Mr Garcia we all know uh lupy 1367 02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:07,239 and everybody knows knows them and I 1368 02:05:07,239 --> 02:05:10,559 think it is a fitting tribute to our 1369 02:05:10,559 --> 02:05:12,199 former 1370 02:05:12,199 --> 02:05:22,549 mayor and his family of course 1371 02:05:22,559 --> 02:05:26,069 Council any other 1372 02:05:26,079 --> 02:05:28,760 questions 1373 02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:32,559 so the direction what I'm hearing is 1374 02:05:32,559 --> 02:05:35,119 that would be to yes go ahead and move 1375 02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:38,719 forward with that uh but do do we know 1376 02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:41,280 like so you mentioned that he kind of 1377 02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:44,480 looked at a plaque he 1378 02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:47,760 um yeah Tony was working on it and I 1379 02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:50,639 know that they've identified a um a 1380 02:05:50,639 --> 02:05:52,159 plaque with the with the picture that 1381 02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:55,559 could be uh um encased in concrete and 1382 02:05:55,559 --> 02:05:58,559 uh um formed on the uh the ground in 1383 02:05:58,559 --> 02:06:01,719 front of the tree um would plant a tree 1384 02:06:01,719 --> 02:06:03,800 in that area as well there's not a tree 1385 02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:07,960 existing in that area um so it's a good 1386 02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:10,960 location so identified pretty much the 1387 02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:12,920 uh the plaque and the uh the area where 1388 02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:15,199 it would be planted but the next step 1389 02:06:15,199 --> 02:06:18,760 would be timing when uh we want to uh 1390 02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:21,880 move forward with this okay uh Mr Mr 1391 02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:24,400 Lopez uh mayor and Council if uh the 1392 02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,079 council's okay with the preliminary 1393 02:06:26,079 --> 02:06:28,639 concept what we can do is uh get a 1394 02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:31,000 mockup of what the plaque would look 1395 02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:34,280 like get an example of the tree the 1396 02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:35,960 location and mock it up and then bring 1397 02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:37,400 it forward to council to get the final 1398 02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:38,800 approval from the council if the council 1399 02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,040 directs that 1400 02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:43,760 mayor that's 1401 02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:46,520 um that's that's what I was thinking and 1402 02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:49,119 then you know mentioning that something 1403 02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:52,400 like this would probably be WEA 1404 02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:55,040 when weather will be be best or better 1405 02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:56,719 you know around April or so and then 1406 02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:59,800 that gives us a little time so I'm I'm okay with 1407 02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:03,430 that uh 1408 02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:07,360 Council I'm okay with that all 1409 02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:11,159 right okay there you go all right so 1410 02:07:11,159 --> 02:07:13,679 with for the next two items we're going 1411 02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:18,920 to uh Mr Samra has requested to yes I 1412 02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:25,679 just once again I want to state that a a conflict one is a distance to my house 1413 02:07:25,679 --> 02:07:28,599 and the other is I do work for mcoa just 1414 02:07:28,599 --> 02:07:30,840 want to make sure everything's up and up 1415 02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,119 thank you very much Mr Mayor and I'll 1416 02:07:33,119 --> 02:08:17,510 have a good meeting rest of it 1417 02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,800 next we have item number 42 discussion 1418 02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:22,840 and direction regarding the uh 1419 02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:27,440 DW srf uh 27 million funding agreement 1420 02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:31,760 for emerging contaminants uh Mr uh 1421 02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,199 chavaria chavaria good evening Council 1422 02:08:34,199 --> 02:08:34,920 me 1423 02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:37,760 again this is a discussion in Direction 1424 02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,599 item you have before you staff is 1425 02:08:40,599 --> 02:08:41,880 requesting that the mayor and Council 1426 02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:43,719 provide direction to staff regarding the 1427 02:08:43,719 --> 02:08:45,960 dwsrf funding 1428 02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:48,360 opportunity I just summarize this in a 1429 02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:49,679 PowerPoint so it's a little easier to 1430 02:08:49,679 --> 02:09:02,549 follow 1431 02:09:02,559 --> 02:09:05,239 little background of the project in 1432 02:09:05,239 --> 02:09:08,719 2018 uh the city applied for State srf 1433 02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:11,840 funding for implementing TCP projects 1434 02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:15,079 and Wells 18 and 19 in the amount of 42 1435 02:09:15,079 --> 02:09:17,520 million the state's recent decis 1436 02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:19,079 decision was to reduce the funding 1437 02:09:19,079 --> 02:09:22,000 amount from 42 million to 27 million by 1438 02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,639 removing the funding for new wells 18 1439 02:09:23,639 --> 02:09:24,520 and 1440 02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:27,400 19 which was shared at the September 3rd 1441 02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:28,679 council 1442 02:09:28,679 --> 02:09:32,599 meeting on September 3rd 2024 the 1443 02:09:32,599 --> 02:09:34,400 council approved water Enterprise funds 1444 02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:36,280 state funds and arper funds to be used 1445 02:09:36,280 --> 02:09:38,880 for installing an RC treatment facility 1446 02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:41,360 at well 8A and constructing the new well 1447 02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,040 18 improvements to augment the city's 1448 02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:47,430 water 1449 02:09:47,440 --> 02:10:09,030 supply better 1450 02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,400 on October 30th 2024 the the state water 1451 02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:14,920 board communicated the 1452 02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:17,800 following available funds both amount 1453 02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:20,679 funding and sources have changed funding 1454 02:10:20,679 --> 02:10:22,840 for construction of the AR Keelan 1455 02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:25,480 Park centralized treatment facility and 1456 02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:27,119 well number eight centralized treatment 1457 02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:30,040 facility can be funded right now through 1458 02:10:30,040 --> 02:10:33,280 dwsrf emerging contaminant 1459 02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,840 funding they also shared any potential 1460 02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,559 funding for the construction of Wells 1461 02:10:37,559 --> 02:10:40,719 number 18 and 19 would need to be 1462 02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:42,400 provided through General drinking water 1463 02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:44,520 funding which is overcommitted for this 1464 02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:45,679 fiscal 1465 02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:48,840 year there is currently 208 million of 1466 02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:50,760 EC emerging contaminant funding 1467 02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:52,040 available 1468 02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:55,320 and there's over 725 million requested 1469 02:10:55,320 --> 02:10:56,960 in current funding 1470 02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:58,960 applications some of these applications 1471 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:01,520 are still incomplete and are processing 1472 02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:04,599 applications on a Readiness to proceed 1473 02:11:04,599 --> 02:11:07,639 basis uh just to ref familiarize uh 1474 02:11:07,639 --> 02:11:09,440 Council on the public again the 1475 02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:12,480 centralized treatment facility at Aran 1476 02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:16,960 will consist of a new GAC vessels to 1477 02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:18,239 remove the 1478 02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:22,040 TCP a booster Pump Station 1479 02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:26,199 and a 1.5 uh million gallon partially 1480 02:11:26,199 --> 02:11:31,440 buried storage tank as well at uh at 1481 02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:34,280 well number eight that current site 1482 02:11:34,280 --> 02:11:35,800 would be 1483 02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:39,440 expanded um adding more uh trains more 1484 02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:43,880 GAC vessels there as well as U building 1485 02:11:43,880 --> 02:11:47,280 a uh um a booster Pump Station as well 1486 02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:49,679 and a 1 million gallon storage tank 1487 02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:57,030 would be built there 1488 02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,679 possible actions as the council may 1489 02:11:59,679 --> 02:12:01,960 take number one accept the state's 1490 02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:03,559 reduced emergent contaminant funding 1491 02:12:03,559 --> 02:12:06,480 agreement of 27 million to complete the 1492 02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:08,719 two centralized TCP treatment facilities 1493 02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:11,880 and direct staff to submit a the wsrf 1494 02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:14,000 funding applications for well 1495 02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:17,199 19 two direct staff to pause acceptance 1496 02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:18,880 of the 27 million funding agreement 1497 02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:20,239 until lobbing efforts have been 1498 02:12:20,239 --> 02:12:22,639 completed 1499 02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:24,520 uh there's currently 208 million of EC 1500 02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:26,960 funding available and over 725 million 1501 02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:29,040 requested in current funding 1502 02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:31,760 applications delaying acceptance poses 1503 02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:33,239 the risk of missing out on the current 1504 02:12:33,239 --> 02:12:35,320 funding opportunity which could lead to 1505 02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:36,800 delays in Project timelines and 1506 02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:38,719 potential cost 1507 02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:43,229 increases uh number three other Council 1508 02:12:43,239 --> 02:12:46,079 direction that concludes this power 1509 02:12:46,079 --> 02:12:53,109 point 1510 02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:55,760 uh thank you Anthony great presentation 1511 02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:57,559 um I wanted to provide a little bit more 1512 02:12:57,559 --> 02:13:00,559 information on this as well um knowing 1513 02:13:00,559 --> 02:13:02,239 that this was coming there was an 1514 02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:04,040 attachment in the staff report that 1515 02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:05,800 included the update I believe it was 1516 02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:08,840 from September we had a feeling that the 1517 02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:11,000 state was going in this direction 1518 02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,440 luckily because of the information that 1519 02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:15,920 the council had received the council did 1520 02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:17,920 move forward on allocating funding for 1521 02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:20,760 well 18 for the city of Livingston using 1522 02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:23,079 its own funding uh so really we're 1523 02:13:23,079 --> 02:13:25,920 talking about well 19 and foregoing that 1524 02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:28,199 with this application with that being 1525 02:13:28,199 --> 02:13:29,719 said I really want to thank uh the 1526 02:13:29,719 --> 02:13:31,840 members of the council particularly 1527 02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,639 mayor Moran for coordinating discussions 1528 02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:38,119 with uh assembly member soria's office 1529 02:13:38,119 --> 02:13:40,480 um given the information now that's been 1530 02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:42,880 delivered by the state it does appear 1531 02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,920 that they are sure of funding and so I 1532 02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,960 believe if the council decides to uh 1533 02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:51,239 accept the 27 million the work will 1534 02:13:51,239 --> 02:13:54,320 continue on with esmeel D's office and 1535 02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:57,079 seeing uh what she could do to Lobby on 1536 02:13:57,079 --> 02:13:59,199 behalf of the city of Livingston to make 1537 02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:00,760 sure that the city does receive the 1538 02:14:00,760 --> 02:14:03,440 funding for well 19 so even if the 1539 02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:06,320 council decides to accept the $27 1540 02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,760 million um the efforts will continue to 1541 02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:11,400 move forward with uh mayor Moran to make 1542 02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:14,280 sure that the city is a is in a position 1543 02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:16,280 to Lobby our Representatives ensure that 1544 02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:18,320 we have every opportunity to receive 1545 02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:19,679 that funding so that's really what we're 1546 02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:21,880 talking about here given the statements 1547 02:14:21,880 --> 02:14:23,360 from the state it does appear that there 1548 02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:25,360 are a number of other cities that are 1549 02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:28,159 requesting this funding as well um so 1550 02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:29,599 you know on one hand we can continue 1551 02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:33,159 those off uh those lobbying efforts and 1552 02:14:33,159 --> 02:14:35,239 wait but then that the risk that the 1553 02:14:35,239 --> 02:14:37,679 council uh has is that the state will 1554 02:14:37,679 --> 02:14:39,400 turn around and give that 27 million to 1555 02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:41,000 another agency so that's really what 1556 02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:42,840 we're talking about here either way the 1557 02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:44,520 city will continue lobbying for those 1558 02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:46,480 efforts to make sure that uh the city of 1559 02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:48,840 Livingston does have funding for well 19 1560 02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:51,960 thank you mayor 1561 02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:53,599 thank you uh thank you Mr Lopez thank 1562 02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:56,079 you Anthony um 1563 02:14:56,079 --> 02:15:00,280 so uh Council any questions 1564 02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:03,119 comments personally I think this is you 1565 02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:06,589 know 1566 02:15:06,599 --> 02:15:11,400 um we already have 27 million that we 1567 02:15:11,400 --> 02:15:12,320 could 1568 02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:15,000 potentially get for the city and I think 1569 02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:16,760 it would be a good idea to just uh move 1570 02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:19,760 forward work with with this amount you 1571 02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,639 know uh and then continue 1572 02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:26,599 working uh for the other1 15 1573 02:15:26,599 --> 02:15:29,119 million um 1574 02:15:29,119 --> 02:15:32,280 and and then again not knowing even even 1575 02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:35,119 right now not knowing that once we say 1576 02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:37,159 okay hopefully other cities I'm sure 1577 02:15:37,159 --> 02:15:39,239 other cities are in the same situation 1578 02:15:39,239 --> 02:15:42,639 that we're in uh so I would make a 1579 02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:45,920 recommendation to to uh go ahead and 1580 02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:48,639 move forward with the uh accepting the 1581 02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:52,079 $27 million so that the the uh office 1582 02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:54,440 can continue with the paperwork that 1583 02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:56,119 needs to be done and and hopefully you 1584 02:15:56,119 --> 02:15:57,239 know 1585 02:15:57,239 --> 02:16:01,920 um we'll find other ways to 1586 02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:06,320 uh find more money to con 1587 02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,800 to uh complete this 1588 02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:12,760 project Council uh Mr Wallace I'd second 1589 02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:14,400 that motion I'm afraid if we don't take 1590 02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,400 the 27 million now it could get reduced 1591 02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:20,719 again I'd much rather have it committed 1592 02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:23,400 and we have it I don't think it it's a 1593 02:16:23,400 --> 02:16:25,960 gamble the waight it's just tricky I'd 1594 02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:28,000 rather have that money in hand so I 1595 02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:30,280 would second your motion for item number 1596 02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:31,359 one to be 1597 02:16:31,359 --> 02:16:34,000 approved okay well I'll make it a motion 1598 02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:35,800 but I want to go out for public comment 1599 02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:38,719 first uh um is there any public comment 1600 02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:41,800 in regards to this item 9912 uh anyone 1601 02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:43,920 on the 1602 02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:46,080 phone hearing none coming back to the 1603 02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:47,960 chamber anyone in the chamber public 1604 02:16:47,960 --> 02:16:51,399 comment regards to this item 1605 02:16:51,399 --> 02:16:53,479 seeing none bringing it back at 1606 02:16:53,479 --> 02:16:56,200 9912 so um I will go ahead and make a 1607 02:16:56,200 --> 02:16:59,359 motion at this time and uh Mr Wallace if 1608 02:16:59,359 --> 02:17:00,960 you can go ahead and make that 1609 02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:04,080 second that motion for a second 1610 02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:08,760 now so we have a motion by mayor Moran a 1611 02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:12,880 second by council member U Wallace BR 1612 02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:15,359 call please I just want to confirm that 1613 02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:22,000 your motion is for item one okay yes yes 1614 02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:25,840 roll call council member Wallace yes 1615 02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:27,040 council member 1616 02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:31,599 Soto yes mayor Moran yes motion passes 1617 02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:33,920 by a vote of three 1618 02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:36,359 zero mayor and Council just so you know 1619 02:17:36,359 --> 02:17:38,200 what you should expect is a funding 1620 02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:39,880 agreement to be brought forward in the 1621 02:17:39,880 --> 02:17:43,399 future um and that will formally accept 1622 02:17:43,399 --> 02:17:45,240 the 27 million from the state so just be 1623 02:17:45,240 --> 02:17:47,359 on the lookout for that in the near term 1624 02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:49,599 can you bring that back 1625 02:17:49,599 --> 02:17:52,280 tomorrow all right all right okay uh 1626 02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:54,160 next we have item 1627 02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:56,639 number 1628 02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:59,080 43 uh discussion and Direction regarding 1629 02:17:59,080 --> 02:18:01,639 potential water system consolidation 1630 02:18:01,639 --> 02:18:03,399 between the city of Livingston and Floyd 1631 02:18:03,399 --> 02:18:06,319 a Shelby Elementary 1632 02:18:06,319 --> 02:18:15,150 School Anthony yeah that's see me again 1633 02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:17,639 Council and this is a uh another 1634 02:18:17,639 --> 02:18:19,719 discussion and Direction item regarding 1635 02:18:19,719 --> 02:18:21,200 a potential water system some 1636 02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:22,920 consolidation between the city of 1637 02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:25,679 Livingston and Floyd a Shelby Elementary 1638 02:18:25,679 --> 02:18:28,120 School I I do want to point out that we 1639 02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:31,200 do have a couple of Representatives one 1640 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:34,319 from self-help Enterprises and uh one 1641 02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:38,669 from mered County Office of 1642 02:18:38,679 --> 02:18:42,080 Education I did summarize this uh staff 1643 02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:52,910 report in a PowerPoint as well 1644 02:18:52,920 --> 02:18:54,920 little bit of background about the Floyd 1645 02:18:54,920 --> 02:18:57,319 a Shelby elementary school they're 1646 02:18:57,319 --> 02:18:59,840 located outside of the city limits with 1647 02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:03,080 about a student population of 1648 02:19:03,080 --> 02:19:05,760 130 uh relies on private Wells for 1649 02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:08,319 drinking water landscape 1650 02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:11,120 irrigation they are out of 1651 02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:14,399 compliance for 123 TCP maximum 1652 02:19:14,399 --> 02:19:16,880 contaminant level they're seeking ways 1653 02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:19,240 to mitigate water requirements through a 1654 02:19:19,240 --> 02:19:22,240 water system consolidation with the city 1655 02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:24,240 uh self-help Enterprises has indicated 1656 02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:26,160 the state water board would participate 1657 02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:28,760 in uh construction of a new 1658 02:19:28,760 --> 02:19:32,200 well state water board would uh complete 1659 02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:34,080 the water infrastructure for connecting 1660 02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:36,120 the school to the city as well the 1661 02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:39,870 conveyance 1662 02:19:39,880 --> 02:19:41,800 infrastructure more background on the 1663 02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:44,040 city uh currently it's it's been 1664 02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:45,639 challenging to meet the water demands 1665 02:19:45,639 --> 02:19:48,319 during the summer months uh we are in 1666 02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:49,880 need of new wells to keep the water 1667 02:19:49,880 --> 02:19:51,160 system fully 1668 02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:53,280 functional all of the existing City 1669 02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:56,120 Wells produce raw water that exceed the 1670 02:19:56,120 --> 02:19:58,000 123 1671 02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,960 tcpm currently implementing Citywide 123 1672 02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,640 TCP 1673 02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:04,680 projects recently authorized the 1674 02:20:04,680 --> 02:20:07,720 construction of a new well well 18 uh to 1675 02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:10,160 help help offset the increased water 1676 02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:12,640 demands to accommodate unexpected water 1677 02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:13,960 demands from the Shelby Elementary 1678 02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:15,640 School the city would need to construct 1679 02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:18,040 a new water well which would most likely 1680 02:20:18,040 --> 02:20:20,840 include treatment facilities such as is 1681 02:20:20,840 --> 02:20:23,000 arsenic and 123 1682 02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:25,680 TCP City staff has identified the cost 1683 02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:29,399 for drilling new wells um that would 1684 02:20:29,399 --> 02:20:31,080 need treatment and that's approximately 1685 02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:36,070 13 1686 02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:38,080 million the benefits and and 1687 02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:39,760 disadvantage of a consolidation 1688 02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:42,160 agreement the benefits are a new water 1689 02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:43,960 source which we all know is going to be 1690 02:20:43,960 --> 02:20:46,640 increased water supply for the city 1691 02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:49,240 added system reliability State funding 1692 02:20:49,240 --> 02:20:51,359 contribution 1693 02:20:51,359 --> 02:20:53,280 and disadvantage would be increased onm 1694 02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:59,710 cost and out of boundary service 1695 02:20:59,720 --> 02:21:01,640 connection possible actions that the 1696 02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:05,080 council may take this evening one would 1697 02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:06,640 uh would the council like to direct 1698 02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:08,399 staff to enter into discussions with 1699 02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,760 Shelby school and self-help Enterprises 1700 02:21:10,760 --> 02:21:13,479 to obtain additional details on what a 1701 02:21:13,479 --> 02:21:15,800 consolidation agreement would in tell um 1702 02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:17,960 there would be costs associated with his 1703 02:21:17,960 --> 02:21:19,840 discussions to review documents and 1704 02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,720 staff time to 10 1705 02:21:21,720 --> 02:21:24,160 meetings two for the council like to 1706 02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:25,760 direct staff to contact the Shelby 1707 02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:27,439 school once the city of Livingston water 1708 02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:30,240 supply issues have been addressed and 1709 02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:34,000 number three other Council 1710 02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:38,960 direction that concludes the uh Power 1711 02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:43,389 Point so 1712 02:21:43,399 --> 02:21:46,560 um couple of questions and and and then 1713 02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:48,240 also just for clarification I think some 1714 02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:49,680 of the language is already there in the 1715 02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:52,800 presentation and in the uh report but I 1716 02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:56,560 just like to make sure that that is 1717 02:21:56,560 --> 02:22:00,840 clarified uh so I did the cost would be 1718 02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:05,720 roughly about $13 million and it would 1719 02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:09,200 be covered by the state correct well 1720 02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:11,760 those are all um estimates would have to 1721 02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:14,399 be estimates is 13 million we know is if 1722 02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:16,960 there's arsonic that needs to be treated 1723 02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:21,240 TCP um but uh as far as uh 1724 02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:22,880 what's covered I mean those details 1725 02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:26,160 would have to be discussed in more 1726 02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:29,720 detail with the the state and okay 1727 02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:32,200 self-help and because then there's also 1728 02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:34,960 that cost not just the well part of it 1729 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:37,359 and then the filtration system depending 1730 02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:40,160 on what kind of chemicals need to be 1731 02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,600 cleaned up there uh but also the 1732 02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:45,160 connecting part of it there there's a 1733 02:22:45,160 --> 02:22:47,439 cost that has to be incurred to connect 1734 02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:48,720 from the 1735 02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:53,399 city to to the school what it that cost 1736 02:22:53,399 --> 02:22:55,160 do we know or still part of those 1737 02:22:55,160 --> 02:22:56,800 conversations that need to that you're 1738 02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:59,560 talking about yeah that would have to be 1739 02:22:59,560 --> 02:23:01,680 uh um discussed and and we could look a 1740 02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:03,120 little further and if that's what 1741 02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,560 council would like to give direction on 1742 02:23:05,560 --> 02:23:08,280 but uh um self-help is here and they may 1743 02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:10,520 have some of that information if if you 1744 02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:13,399 would like a self-help uh to to come 1745 02:23:13,399 --> 02:23:15,840 forward and answer any questions that 1746 02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:18,160 Council may have because then my other 1747 02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:19,680 question but then again I think you 1748 02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:21,160 already answered but 1749 02:23:21,160 --> 02:23:23,840 was you know uh depending on how much 1750 02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:25,439 water is produced 1751 02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:28,800 there uh and if the school uses I don't 1752 02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:30,120 know 1753 02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:32,800 20% you know do does the city have to 1754 02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:34,680 pay the 1755 02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:37,840 other so if the cost let's just use $10 1756 02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:40,680 million and school is going to use only 1757 02:23:40,680 --> 02:23:44,000 20% Then does the city have to consider 1758 02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:45,680 that because the city is going to use 1759 02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:48,760 the other 80% does the city have to pay 1760 02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:53,399 80% of the cost yeah those are great questions but a little uh 1761 02:23:53,399 --> 02:23:55,319 preliminary to to really answer that 1762 02:23:55,319 --> 02:23:56,640 right now we would have to have further 1763 02:23:56,640 --> 02:24:01,359 discussions is there okay go ahead hi my 1764 02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:02,600 name is f conell with selfhelp 1765 02:24:02,600 --> 02:24:05,319 Enterprises uh my team is the one 1766 02:24:05,319 --> 02:24:06,479 providing the technical assistance 1767 02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:08,000 through the state water board funding 1768 02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:10,479 under the safer program and so some of 1769 02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:12,200 these questions you guys asked any 1770 02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:14,399 project cost that city of Livingston 1771 02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,760 would incur uh for the planning of this 1772 02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:18,640 particular project is reimbursable so 1773 02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,399 any cost you guys incur doing actual 1774 02:24:20,399 --> 02:24:22,080 work as the planning project be 1775 02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:24,279 reimbursable uh with the construction 1776 02:24:24,279 --> 02:24:26,720 application any cost that you guys would 1777 02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:28,880 uh incur like as an a well or 1778 02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,279 construction cost to provide water to 1779 02:24:31,279 --> 02:24:33,399 the Shelby school will also be covered 1780 02:24:33,399 --> 02:24:35,319 by the grant funding now the question 1781 02:24:35,319 --> 02:24:37,760 you asked regarding uh you know if we 1782 02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:39,319 have a well that produces a certain 1783 02:24:39,319 --> 02:24:42,160 capacity and this school needs certain 1784 02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:44,359 percentage of that not all of it then 1785 02:24:44,359 --> 02:24:45,840 the grant funding would cover the cost 1786 02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:48,120 that would be provided to the school the 1787 02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:50,560 other cost would be uh up to the city 1788 02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,800 Livingston however it would be something 1789 02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:56,000 like U low interest loan or zero zero 1790 02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:57,600 interest loan from the state to cover 1791 02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:58,920 the cost of that 1792 02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:01,439 particular uh excess capacity the city 1793 02:25:01,439 --> 02:25:03,640 of Livingston would be using so it would 1794 02:25:03,640 --> 02:25:05,120 definitely cover the cost of the 1795 02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,240 construction of the well that covers all 1796 02:25:07,240 --> 02:25:09,080 the school's needs everything else will 1797 02:25:09,080 --> 02:25:11,240 be covered uh by grant funding by the 1798 02:25:11,240 --> 02:25:14,120 state if you guys wanted to go that 1799 02:25:14,120 --> 02:25:18,160 route and so w with that said that Grant 1800 02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:21,120 process coming from the city 1801 02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:23,640 it still has to be does is it going to 1802 02:25:23,640 --> 02:25:25,880 go through the regular or through a 1803 02:25:25,880 --> 02:25:28,120 process where it has to be identified if 1804 02:25:28,120 --> 02:25:31,120 it's if it qualifies or is or do we know 1805 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:34,920 that that because of the situation that 1806 02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:37,000 it's in it's just pretty 1807 02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:40,560 much yes it's approved just send us the 1808 02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:41,720 paperwork 1809 02:25:41,720 --> 02:25:43,760 and right right now we're in the middle 1810 02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:45,960 of the planning projects with the Shelby 1811 02:25:45,960 --> 02:25:47,960 at this point and so when we get to the 1812 02:25:47,960 --> 02:25:49,240 construction part of this and let's say 1813 02:25:49,240 --> 02:25:50,720 we do consolidate with City of 1814 02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:53,560 Livingston um the funding is would be 1815 02:25:53,560 --> 02:25:55,080 guaranteed it would be grant funding for 1816 02:25:55,080 --> 02:25:56,680 that particular project like I said 1817 02:25:56,680 --> 02:25:57,800 anything over that and that' be 1818 02:25:57,800 --> 02:25:59,000 discussions that we have specifically 1819 02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:01,240 with the state about capacity over what 1820 02:26:01,240 --> 02:26:04,000 is needed through uh Shelby um that 1821 02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:05,399 would be discussed with the state but 1822 02:26:05,399 --> 02:26:07,520 yeah it is a a fully Grant funded 1823 02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:09,120 project because you are consolidating 1824 02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:15,389 with a system that's disadvantaged in a 1825 02:26:15,399 --> 02:26:17,880 school so I guess one of the advantages 1826 02:26:17,880 --> 02:26:20,399 would be that 1827 02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:22,800 this the city would have access to 1828 02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:28,960 additional water mhm yeah definitely and and another you know incentive that 1829 02:26:28,960 --> 02:26:32,200 the state provides for consolidating is 1830 02:26:32,200 --> 02:26:34,640 uh you guys can also uh use your own 1831 02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:37,040 grant funding to cover a project of your 1832 02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:38,240 own that doesn't have anything to do 1833 02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:40,720 with the city the Shelby consolidation 1834 02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:42,200 as well so if there's something else you 1835 02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:43,640 guys are interested in maybe storage or 1836 02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:45,479 something like that nature the state can 1837 02:26:45,479 --> 02:26:47,200 provide grant funding or if you guys 1838 02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:50,279 don't um um meet the requirements for 1839 02:26:50,279 --> 02:26:52,200 grant funding it'll be uh like a zero 1840 02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:54,279 interest loan for any kind of project 1841 02:26:54,279 --> 02:26:55,840 you guys have to do with the state on 1842 02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:59,630 that end as well 1843 02:26:59,640 --> 02:27:03,319 okay Council any other 1844 02:27:03,319 --> 02:27:08,160 questions uh go ahead Mr wall Mr Mayor U 1845 02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:10,479 Anthony going back to the other 1846 02:27:10,479 --> 02:27:12,680 committee fire suppression for the 1847 02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:16,680 Shelby school now that's something 1848 02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:19,240 that's coming up anyway because of their 1849 02:27:19,240 --> 02:27:23,359 water supply now if we hook up with them 1850 02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:28,439 through the school their current well we 1851 02:27:28,439 --> 02:27:30,160 would want to make sure that maintains 1852 02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,359 their Landscaping now is that enough if 1853 02:27:32,359 --> 02:27:34,479 they keep that old well that's there now 1854 02:27:34,479 --> 02:27:36,560 would that handle their fire suppression 1855 02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:38,319 although it's a mitigated thing because 1856 02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:39,720 unless there's a fire it's never going 1857 02:27:39,720 --> 02:27:41,960 to go off anyway but I'm just curious 1858 02:27:41,960 --> 02:27:44,520 have that been thought of at the same 1859 02:27:44,520 --> 02:27:47,680 time yeah those are are pretty tough 1860 02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:49,600 questions to answer at this moment right 1861 02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:52,000 now those are all uh 1862 02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:54,520 um um issues that'll need to be 1863 02:27:54,520 --> 02:27:57,040 addressed at the time of uh of if 1864 02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:58,560 Council would like us to communicate 1865 02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,640 with them okay council member and mayor 1866 02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:03,560 and Council I think Anthony did a really 1867 02:28:03,560 --> 02:28:05,399 good job of laying out the policy 1868 02:28:05,399 --> 02:28:08,560 implications here and really we didn't 1869 02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:10,640 feel like it was appropriate to allocate 1870 02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:13,000 expenditures of engineering a public 1871 02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:14,680 works staff time for something that the 1872 02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:17,080 council may not see as a priority so we 1873 02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:19,040 know that our priorities have been you 1874 02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:22,279 know well 8A well 18 some of these other 1875 02:28:22,279 --> 02:28:24,640 high priority items obviously when 1876 02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:26,359 everything is a priority nothing becomes 1877 02:28:26,359 --> 02:28:28,080 a priority so we wanted to make sure 1878 02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:30,040 that the council weighed in from the 1879 02:28:30,040 --> 02:28:33,560 council policy level uh perspective on 1880 02:28:33,560 --> 02:28:35,200 whether they wanted us to prioritize 1881 02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:37,120 this item so Anthony's exactly right 1882 02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:39,560 these are all great questions uh council 1883 02:28:39,560 --> 02:28:41,000 member Wallace brought up the mayor 1884 02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:43,120 brought up I know we talked yesterday I 1885 02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:44,279 think it was yesterday about some of 1886 02:28:44,279 --> 02:28:46,800 these items there are a lot more great 1887 02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:48,479 questions too we didn't want to allocate 1888 02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:51,120 so much staff time uh that this became a 1889 02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:52,960 priority without consulting with Council 1890 02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:54,880 first so a lot of these questions we 1891 02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:56,520 don't have the answers to yet because we 1892 02:28:56,520 --> 02:28:58,399 didn't want to get ahead of the council 1893 02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:00,080 without Council formally providing the 1894 02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:02,080 direction to staff so I think Anthony 1895 02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:03,800 did a good job of laying out the policy 1896 02:29:03,800 --> 02:29:10,429 implications 1897 02:29:10,439 --> 02:29:16,600 here so I mean I I think it's a it's a 1898 02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:18,160 great 1899 02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:21,279 project but and then but I'm also kind 1900 02:29:21,279 --> 02:29:23,640 of thinking about all of the other 1901 02:29:23,640 --> 02:29:25,760 projects that we have you know that are 1902 02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:29,359 water related so which one this will be 1903 02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:31,600 another project or would be another 1904 02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:33,680 project to the other water 1905 02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:41,670 projects 1906 02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:45,680 um you know um which one is going to be 1907 02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:47,160 priority number one or number two or 1908 02:29:47,160 --> 02:29:52,880 number three or number 10 so just just something to think to think 1909 02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:55,720 about you wanted to add something else 1910 02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:58,120 if I could just address that one uh item 1911 02:29:58,120 --> 02:29:59,840 you were saying about uh the time that 1912 02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:00,960 you need for engineering for this 1913 02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:02,640 particular project like I was saying 1914 02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:04,600 earlier this is a safer Grant funded 1915 02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:06,760 project right now under the TA safer 1916 02:30:06,760 --> 02:30:08,760 program and right now all engineering 1917 02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:10,680 work is is covered by that funding 1918 02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:13,240 source so we're not asking for much 1919 02:30:13,240 --> 02:30:15,520 engineering from the city at this point 1920 02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:17,319 participation would be more of reviewing 1921 02:30:17,319 --> 02:30:19,479 the documents making sure that if we're 1922 02:30:19,479 --> 02:30:21,800 meeting me we're meeting City standards 1923 02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:24,080 on engineering reports uh PL 1924 02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:26,160 specifications for the project secret 1925 02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:27,640 documentation things like that but we 1926 02:30:27,640 --> 02:30:28,960 won't be asking you guys take a lead on 1927 02:30:28,960 --> 02:30:30,720 any of that at this point you guys will 1928 02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:32,800 be more in the review process now if it 1929 02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:34,000 comes time to construction there'll be a 1930 02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:35,640 different conversation but in this 1931 02:30:35,640 --> 02:30:37,439 particular uh project we're doing now 1932 02:30:37,439 --> 02:30:38,359 there wouldn't be a whole lot of 1933 02:30:38,359 --> 02:30:42,830 engineering we would be asking from the 1934 02:30:42,840 --> 02:30:46,439 city thank you for providing 1935 02:30:46,439 --> 02:30:52,510 that Council 1936 02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:55,120 question did I already went out for po 1937 02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:57,560 comment yeah okay so perfect opportunity 1938 02:30:57,560 --> 02:31:01,279 to go after for public comment uh 926 is 1939 02:31:01,279 --> 02:31:02,720 there any public comment on the phone in 1940 02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:04,720 regards to this 1941 02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:06,359 item 1942 02:31:06,359 --> 02:31:08,840 yes um go ahead you have three minutes 1943 02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:12,000 can you please say your name for the 1944 02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:15,319 record uh yes my name is El I am 1945 02:31:15,319 --> 02:31:17,640 representing the division of drinking 1946 02:31:17,640 --> 02:31:21,200 water the sa for sou gain from 1947 02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:23,920 unit uh the division of drinking water 1948 02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:26,479 supports the consolidation with the city 1949 02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:29,080 of Livingston as a longterm solution for 1950 02:31:29,080 --> 02:31:31,520 the school uh we would appreciate your 1951 02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:34,520 approval on item 43 of the agenda to 1952 02:31:34,520 --> 02:31:37,080 enter discussion with uh your 1953 02:31:37,080 --> 02:31:39,279 staff and I just wanted to highlight 1954 02:31:39,279 --> 02:31:40,800 that right now we're working on the 1955 02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:45,080 engineering report so the goal would be 1956 02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:50,399 to lay out all the um technical ities 1957 02:31:50,399 --> 02:31:52,960 and be able to ensure that we address 1958 02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:56,479 all the comments that the city has uh 1959 02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:59,399 which has already a little bit been 1960 02:31:59,399 --> 02:32:01,560 highlighted uh fire suppression what 1961 02:32:01,560 --> 02:32:04,000 happens to the well uh what is funding 1962 02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,160 look like and just be able to provide 1963 02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:09,160 all the information for Council to uh 1964 02:32:09,160 --> 02:32:10,399 make a decision if this is something 1965 02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:13,439 they're interested in the future uh 1966 02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:15,640 construction thank 1967 02:32:15,640 --> 02:32:20,240 you thank you is there any uh addition 1968 02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:24,399 comments on the phone in regards to this 1969 02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:26,600 item bringing it back to the chamber at 1970 02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:30,560 927 any uh comments please come forward 1971 02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:33,830 say your name for the 1972 02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:36,800 record Castillo 1973 02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:39,640 um the question I would have because 1974 02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:42,040 he's saying this would be um a fully 1975 02:32:42,040 --> 02:32:43,439 grant 1976 02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:48,520 program as on the development side when uh self-help Enterprise helps uh or 1977 02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:50,560 brings water into disadvantage Community 1978 02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:52,680 it's like a home run for a developer or 1979 02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:54,560 for a community so if would that be 1980 02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:59,279 similar to this I know I'm thinking of a town that just got a grant for storage 1981 02:32:59,279 --> 02:33:00,920 in a well and they it was 100 it was 1982 02:33:00,920 --> 02:33:03,640 covered I believe 100% by a grant um so 1983 02:33:03,640 --> 02:33:07,840 for example I know here in the city we have issues with uh with um with 1984 02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:10,200 obviously me and our our uh water demand 1985 02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:11,760 during the summer but if if you can 1986 02:33:11,760 --> 02:33:13,720 incorporate let's say the well that you 1987 02:33:13,720 --> 02:33:15,000 that the school would need and then 1988 02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:16,840 maybe add some additional storage I 1989 02:33:16,840 --> 02:33:18,240 believe the storage could be the 1990 02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:21,319 solution for that Peak uh season of of 1991 02:33:21,319 --> 02:33:23,359 water uh where we're having issues and 1992 02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:25,600 then that would also open up some of the 1993 02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:28,120 um uh other other things that we Haven 1994 02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:29,279 been able to do like development which 1995 02:33:29,279 --> 02:33:31,120 would bring in more revenue for the city 1996 02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:32,680 and would help maybe fund some of these 1997 02:33:32,680 --> 02:33:34,600 other projects my question would be 1998 02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:37,640 because the city has just got awarded a 1999 02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:40,040 grant for 27 million by them 2000 02:33:40,040 --> 02:33:43,040 participating in this uh type of uh 2001 02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:45,120 program with self-help does that is 2002 02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:47,240 there a disadvantage to to the city or 2003 02:33:47,240 --> 02:33:49,200 does that allow them not to uh apply for 2004 02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:50,840 any additional funding like that they 2005 02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:54,590 are currently um going 2006 02:33:54,600 --> 02:33:57,160 after no uh you know participating or 2007 02:33:57,160 --> 02:33:58,960 not in this particular program or this 2008 02:33:58,960 --> 02:34:00,359 in this particular consolidation project 2009 02:34:00,359 --> 02:34:03,120 wouldn't uh you know affect the city's 2010 02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:04,560 uh ability to apply for other grants 2011 02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:07,520 through the state water board um um but 2012 02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:09,960 the state water board does uh um 2013 02:34:09,960 --> 02:34:12,040 prioritize consolidations and then they 2014 02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:13,319 do provide like I said incentive 2015 02:34:13,319 --> 02:34:15,160 fundings for those entities that take on 2016 02:34:15,160 --> 02:34:20,870 those smaller systems 2017 02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:22,760 so does that mean they get like they get 2018 02:34:22,760 --> 02:34:25,359 a higher score for being for do for part 2019 02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:27,240 does the city get like points or a score 2020 02:34:27,240 --> 02:34:29,359 for participating on programs like these 2021 02:34:29,359 --> 02:34:31,720 when they go out for Grants or no uh no 2022 02:34:31,720 --> 02:34:33,680 not not a higher 2023 02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:36,040 score sorry no not a higher score but 2024 02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:38,760 again um you know they do take this into 2025 02:34:38,760 --> 02:34:39,640 account when 2026 02:34:39,640 --> 02:34:41,920 you're uh it's like a score wouldn't be 2027 02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:43,319 the right way to say it but they do take 2028 02:34:43,319 --> 02:34:45,080 into account the that you guys were 2029 02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:46,479 consolidating with a disadvantaged 2030 02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:48,520 community or a school that needed the uh 2031 02:34:48,520 --> 02:34:53,040 the Water Source yeah so so there would there be any disadvantage to the 2032 02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:55,359 city for or anything you can think of 2033 02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:58,120 that wouldn't be to the benefit of the 2034 02:34:58,120 --> 02:34:59,680 city for participating to for something 2035 02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:01,439 like 2036 02:35:01,439 --> 02:35:05,680 this uh um you know uh most of the 2037 02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:07,040 engineering most of the work for this 2038 02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:08,479 particular project is taken care of by 2039 02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:11,680 our Engineers uh for for our work the 2040 02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:13,520 disadvantages uh the city staff would 2041 02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:14,960 have to review some documentation and do 2042 02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:17,439 a little bit of work at this point um 2043 02:35:17,439 --> 02:35:18,640 but the review is pretty minimal 2044 02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:20,000 compared to the work that the Engineers 2045 02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:23,279 are doing for our particular project um 2046 02:35:23,279 --> 02:35:25,800 I can't think of any disadvantages at um 2047 02:35:25,800 --> 02:35:26,960 on my mind but if you guys have 2048 02:35:26,960 --> 02:35:28,200 something specific to ask me I can 2049 02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:30,520 definitely answer answer that but uh no 2050 02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:32,120 mind I don't see any disadvantages at 2051 02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:33,120 this 2052 02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:35,600 point okay thank you yeah like I said on 2053 02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:38,520 the development World um this is a this 2054 02:35:38,520 --> 02:35:40,439 is normally a home run as a development 2055 02:35:40,439 --> 02:35:42,359 or even even even taking development out 2056 02:35:42,359 --> 02:35:45,720 of it uh most um cities like like this 2057 02:35:45,720 --> 02:35:47,200 type of partnership with self help 2058 02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:49,279 because it covers 100% of the grants or 2059 02:35:49,279 --> 02:35:50,240 covers 2060 02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:51,720 most of the time it's 100% of the cost 2061 02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:53,479 and if you don't get 100% of the cost 2062 02:35:53,479 --> 02:35:56,080 then you you get a 0% interest uh loan 2063 02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:57,319 so it's I mean you can't ask for 2064 02:35:57,319 --> 02:36:00,790 anything better thank 2065 02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:06,950 you thank 2066 02:36:06,960 --> 02:36:09,319 you 2067 02:36:09,319 --> 02:36:14,800 go J uh really like the uh like it looks 2068 02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:16,240 good looks really good I know Diego had 2069 02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:17,840 some of the same questions that I had 2070 02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:19,600 like the idea of helping a school 2071 02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:22,960 obviously so um I like the direction 2072 02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:24,760 it's going but Mr R you B up a concern 2073 02:36:24,760 --> 02:36:25,880 that I think it's fair Anthony I kind of 2074 02:36:25,880 --> 02:36:27,640 want to ask you and Mr Lopez a little 2075 02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:29,479 bit too Chris if you have any comments 2076 02:36:29,479 --> 02:36:31,359 on this obviously we just approved the 2077 02:36:31,359 --> 02:36:33,720 well project recently just got 27 2078 02:36:33,720 --> 02:36:35,359 million in funding going to start moving 2079 02:36:35,359 --> 02:36:38,240 on that pretty soon here uh like the 2080 02:36:38,240 --> 02:36:39,520 idea that we're moving forward a lot 2081 02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:40,720 faster now because it feels like we've 2082 02:36:40,720 --> 02:36:43,560 been stagnant but let's just say 6 2083 02:36:43,560 --> 02:36:45,279 months from now or whatever the timeline 2084 02:36:45,279 --> 02:36:47,960 is after discussions are had we decide 2085 02:36:47,960 --> 02:36:49,279 that we want to move forward with this 2086 02:36:49,279 --> 02:36:50,960 if all these projects are going on at 2087 02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:54,439 once do we have the adequate capacity to 2088 02:36:54,439 --> 02:36:55,840 make sure that everything's being done 2089 02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,240 right get all of your other work done 2090 02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:01,560 and like get everything done effectively 2091 02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:04,279 in the event that all this is going on 2092 02:37:04,279 --> 02:37:08,830 together with our other 2093 02:37:08,840 --> 02:37:11,200 Wells I'll respond to a portion of that 2094 02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:13,800 typically in the construction especially 2095 02:37:13,800 --> 02:37:16,040 projects of this scope there's uh 2096 02:37:16,040 --> 02:37:18,520 project management built into the grant 2097 02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:21,520 funding so usually that's allocated so 2098 02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:23,760 that you know it's not necessarily staff 2099 02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:25,960 that's monitoring it rather it's you 2100 02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:28,200 know a specific designated person who's 2101 02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:30,399 responsible for construction management 2102 02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:32,160 one it save staff time and then two it 2103 02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:34,760 can be covered 100% by the grant funding 2104 02:37:34,760 --> 02:37:36,520 so that's likely going to be the case 2105 02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:38,680 with this particular project because it 2106 02:37:38,680 --> 02:37:41,240 is a a directly connected to the state 2107 02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:45,560 water uh board right okay I think uh 2108 02:37:45,560 --> 02:37:48,120 mayor if it's okay I think those are all 2109 02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:52,120 great questions for me the big uh 2110 02:37:52,120 --> 02:37:54,040 question that we always have is how much 2111 02:37:54,040 --> 02:37:56,319 do we have on the plate um and I look at 2112 02:37:56,319 --> 02:37:59,600 the projects that we have right now um 2113 02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:01,560 Anthony has a report that'll be provided 2114 02:38:01,560 --> 02:38:03,600 to the council probably in the next 2115 02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:06,279 couple weeks or so we've got a number of 2116 02:38:06,279 --> 02:38:08,240 developers right now that are wanting to 2117 02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:09,880 move forward on developments in the 2118 02:38:09,880 --> 02:38:12,640 community now um and we're unable to 2119 02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:14,040 because we don't have the adquate water 2120 02:38:14,040 --> 02:38:17,279 capacity so for for me right now the 2121 02:38:17,279 --> 02:38:19,840 most sense for the city of Livingston 2122 02:38:19,840 --> 02:38:23,600 proper is a move forward on well 8A well 2123 02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:26,040 18 and making sure that we've got all 2124 02:38:26,040 --> 02:38:27,720 the resources allocated and make sure 2125 02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:30,120 that moves forward so that is absolute 2126 02:38:30,120 --> 02:38:32,080 my top priority for the city of 2127 02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:34,479 Livingston at this moment in time um 2128 02:38:34,479 --> 02:38:35,960 incorporating this project I think it's 2129 02:38:35,960 --> 02:38:38,479 a great idea I think it is a a 2130 02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:40,760 legitimate concept the question that I 2131 02:38:40,760 --> 02:38:42,960 do have though is how much time gets 2132 02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:45,600 taken away from uh non- allocation 2133 02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:49,680 towards whether it's well 8A well 18 or 2134 02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:51,840 the priority of keeping our system 2135 02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:54,080 operational and running we had a 2136 02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:55,240 conversation this morning with the 2137 02:38:55,240 --> 02:38:56,760 engineering team the Public Works team 2138 02:38:56,760 --> 02:38:58,840 the development team on what we can do 2139 02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:01,080 to get just this capacity moving in the 2140 02:39:01,080 --> 02:39:03,600 city so that's my my question you know 2141 02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:06,120 adding this project would obviously you 2142 02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:09,439 can't do everything 100% of the time so 2143 02:39:09,439 --> 02:39:11,240 this is time that gets taken away from 2144 02:39:11,240 --> 02:39:12,640 other projects in the city and that's 2145 02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:14,200 just the reality of it and that's just 2146 02:39:14,200 --> 02:39:16,200 me being truthful and straightforward on 2147 02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:18,040 how things operate right yeah thanks for 2148 02:39:18,040 --> 02:39:20,000 that that's what I wanted uh question 2149 02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:21,319 then for maybe a gentleman from 2150 02:39:21,319 --> 02:39:23,800 self-help is if the city decides not to 2151 02:39:23,800 --> 02:39:26,080 move on this today in terms of sitting 2152 02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:28,359 down and figuring out a plan is there a 2153 02:39:28,359 --> 02:39:31,920 deadline that we have by when we'd have 2154 02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:33,760 to get this moving is there like an 2155 02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:36,279 ideal time frame for you all maybe we 2156 02:39:36,279 --> 02:39:37,760 come back in a few months and we decide 2157 02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:39,960 to get on the 2158 02:39:39,960 --> 02:39:43,439 table thank you yeah um no right now we 2159 02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:45,720 are at the stage of the uh preliminary 2160 02:39:45,720 --> 02:39:47,680 engineering report we're trying to make 2161 02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:49,040 a decision we're at a fork in the road 2162 02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:50,439 how do move forward on this particular 2163 02:39:50,439 --> 02:39:54,040 project for Shelby and so um let's say 2164 02:39:54,040 --> 02:39:55,560 that we unsuccessful and city of 2165 02:39:55,560 --> 02:39:57,160 Livingston does not decide to uh 2166 02:39:57,160 --> 02:39:59,000 participate in the planning 2167 02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:02,960 project um then we're trying to discuss 2168 02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:05,439 a new alternative for that school uh 2169 02:40:05,439 --> 02:40:06,640 when you're talking about something like 2170 02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:09,600 one 123 TCP contaminations uh as you 2171 02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:12,040 guys probably know treatment is 2172 02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:14,560 expensive and unaffordable especially if 2173 02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:16,600 you're a small entity like a school who 2174 02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:18,840 doesn't have any uh rate payers to cover 2175 02:40:18,840 --> 02:40:20,160 the cost 2176 02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:21,800 and so it'll be difficult for us to 2177 02:40:21,800 --> 02:40:23,399 figure out what to do next with uh 2178 02:40:23,399 --> 02:40:25,240 Shelby um but we'll have to look at 2179 02:40:25,240 --> 02:40:27,040 other Alternatives and then we'll be 2180 02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:28,560 working with the state and all the other 2181 02:40:28,560 --> 02:40:30,120 uh engineering that we're working with 2182 02:40:30,120 --> 02:40:31,479 the project Engineers to figure out 2183 02:40:31,479 --> 02:40:33,240 what's happening next but um I don't 2184 02:40:33,240 --> 02:40:34,640 have an answer for you what the exact 2185 02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:36,880 answer what we could do then but what 2186 02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,359 might happen is we might approach you 2187 02:40:38,359 --> 02:40:40,399 all again in the future uh with some 2188 02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:41,439 more information from the state 2189 02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:43,479 waterboard about what we can provide for 2190 02:40:43,479 --> 02:40:46,840 you all uh to incentivize this project 2191 02:40:46,840 --> 02:40:48,479 uh other than that um like I said it 2192 02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:50,880 would be a lot more uh investigations 2193 02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:54,120 and evaluations of alternatives for this 2194 02:40:54,120 --> 02:40:59,110 system which could be ongoing for a long 2195 02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:02,680 time thank you no further 2196 02:41:02,680 --> 02:41:05,960 questions thank you mayor I did uh 2197 02:41:05,960 --> 02:41:09,960 receive an email back on October 15 from 2198 02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:14,880 alir Rees who spoke um and she did um 2199 02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:17,279 provide a public comment by email I just 2200 02:41:17,279 --> 02:41:22,160 want to put that on the record thank you Mr uh Santos yeah I just 2201 02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:23,960 wanted to provide a little Clarity to to 2202 02:41:23,960 --> 02:41:26,080 the public at this point we're not 2203 02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:29,279 approving um or rejecting it's a 2204 02:41:29,279 --> 02:41:32,520 basically uh get direction from uh 2205 02:41:32,520 --> 02:41:33,840 Council to go and gather more 2206 02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:35,359 information to come back to the council 2207 02:41:35,359 --> 02:41:37,479 can make a decision at sometime in the 2208 02:41:37,479 --> 02:41:41,830 future whether uh to do a 2209 02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:50,269 consolidation um so question 2210 02:41:50,279 --> 02:41:53,120 if actually I think you answered part of 2211 02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,399 my question was what is plan b or plan 2212 02:41:56,399 --> 02:42:00,640 C I I heard like we're not sure yet 2213 02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:04,760 maybe uh but if if the city decides to 2214 02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:06,800 say you know let's just start that 2215 02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:08,880 preliminary 2216 02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:11,319 conversation uh and considering some of 2217 02:42:11,319 --> 02:42:13,680 the other items that we have already on 2218 02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:14,600 our 2219 02:42:14,600 --> 02:42:18,160 plate would you be I mean or would 2220 02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:20,160 whoever is on that side 2221 02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:23,279 be okay with working with us in regards 2222 02:42:23,279 --> 02:42:25,160 to I mean this is not going to happen 2223 02:42:25,160 --> 02:42:26,120 like you 2224 02:42:26,120 --> 02:42:28,120 know 2225 02:42:28,120 --> 02:42:33,680 uh quick as we wanted it to be but we do 2226 02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:36,399 you know saying like we do want 2227 02:42:36,399 --> 02:42:39,720 to figure something out but kind of bear 2228 02:42:39,720 --> 02:42:42,640 with us and let's let's take it maybe 2229 02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:45,439 you know not 50 miles an hour but I 2230 02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:52,040 don't know 45 30 miles an hour I mean is 2231 02:42:52,040 --> 02:42:54,760 that yeah what will you I mean what 2232 02:42:54,760 --> 02:42:58,399 would you guys say to that so you know 2233 02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:02,359 um the the consolidation with city of 2234 02:43:02,359 --> 02:43:03,840 Livingston is the most feasible 2235 02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:06,279 alternative to address the contamination 2236 02:43:06,279 --> 02:43:09,880 issues for uh Shelby school and so right 2237 02:43:09,880 --> 02:43:12,240 now what we are asking is just for 2238 02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:14,600 participation in this engineering report 2239 02:43:14,600 --> 02:43:16,680 to review the document and provide 2240 02:43:16,680 --> 02:43:19,800 comments to us at this point and and uh 2241 02:43:19,800 --> 02:43:21,399 once we finalize that engineering Report 2242 02:43:21,399 --> 02:43:23,479 with the common city of Livingston we'll 2243 02:43:23,479 --> 02:43:24,800 be able to provide that information to 2244 02:43:24,800 --> 02:43:26,279 you guys you guys have an uh an 2245 02:43:26,279 --> 02:43:28,560 engineering document that has a project 2246 02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:30,760 estimate it'll give you specifics about 2247 02:43:30,760 --> 02:43:34,120 what the project is asking for um as 2248 02:43:34,120 --> 02:43:35,840 well as any kind of impacts to the 2249 02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:38,120 school or to the city so you guys will 2250 02:43:38,120 --> 02:43:41,560 at the at this point not cons um commit 2251 02:43:41,560 --> 02:43:43,720 to consolidation but participate in the 2252 02:43:43,720 --> 02:43:45,160 planning process and then at that point 2253 02:43:45,160 --> 02:43:47,000 you guys can actually have the document 2254 02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:49,319 see some real information numbers uh 2255 02:43:49,319 --> 02:43:51,120 data and you guys can make a decision at 2256 02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:53,160 that point so it is kind of a slow 2257 02:43:53,160 --> 02:43:54,880 process I think you guys will at the 2258 02:43:54,880 --> 02:43:55,960 very beginning if you guys choose to 2259 02:43:55,960 --> 02:43:57,520 move forward with us just kind of 2260 02:43:57,520 --> 02:43:59,160 provide us information and data that we 2261 02:43:59,160 --> 02:44:03,160 can uh include into a um a complete 2262 02:44:03,160 --> 02:44:05,160 report and then you guys can have that 2263 02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:06,399 make a decision on what you guys would 2264 02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:08,319 like to do next at that point so we're 2265 02:44:08,319 --> 02:44:10,399 probably talking a few months from now 2266 02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:12,520 that you guys will be will be asking you 2267 02:44:12,520 --> 02:44:13,640 guys to make a decision to if you guys 2268 02:44:13,640 --> 02:44:15,720 want to participate in actual 2269 02:44:15,720 --> 02:44:17,600 consolidation um at this point we're 2270 02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:19,520 just asking for some information data 2271 02:44:19,520 --> 02:44:22,920 sharing between each other all 2272 02:44:22,920 --> 02:44:27,070 right uh cancel any other 2273 02:44:27,080 --> 02:44:29,279 questions yeah Mr Mayor can we have the 2274 02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:31,160 lap the screen with the three options 2275 02:44:31,160 --> 02:44:33,080 back up please 2276 02:44:33,080 --> 02:44:34,440 Monica 2277 02:44:34,440 --> 02:44:37,399 [Music] 2278 02:44:37,399 --> 02:44:40,000 Anthony personally I like option number 2279 02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:43,160 one I the benefits I think of us getting 2280 02:44:43,160 --> 02:44:46,479 an extra water supply in the future the 2281 02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:48,000 state and everybody's going to help 2282 02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:50,640 funding this 2283 02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:53,680 I think it's to the benefit of living St 2284 02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:56,200 the way on water we're still going to PS 2285 02:44:56,200 --> 02:44:58,840 pursue for our other Wells but I think 2286 02:44:58,840 --> 02:45:00,560 option number one would be the one that 2287 02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:03,399 least enter into the discussions and see 2288 02:45:03,399 --> 02:45:05,439 what the cost associate review those 2289 02:45:05,439 --> 02:45:08,240 documents and the Council next year can 2290 02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:10,399 make a final decision but we need if 2291 02:45:10,399 --> 02:45:11,920 we're going to think about it we need to 2292 02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:15,040 start that process thank 2293 02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:20,120 you is that a motion yes so uh 2294 02:45:20,120 --> 02:45:37,309 um I think that there is something we 2295 02:45:37,319 --> 02:45:43,120 can do here you know um and um I think 2296 02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:46,439 there are some benefits to everybody 2297 02:45:46,439 --> 02:45:50,040 involved um obviously if if if we can 2298 02:45:50,040 --> 02:45:51,560 get a full Grant then we don't have to 2299 02:45:51,560 --> 02:45:55,359 pay for it that'll be better right uh it 2300 02:45:55,359 --> 02:45:59,680 doesn't hurt to ask right um but you 2301 02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:02,590 know 2302 02:46:02,600 --> 02:46:06,920 um I I'm hoping that that it doesn't add 2303 02:46:06,920 --> 02:46:10,840 too much to our plate or to our staff a 2304 02:46:10,840 --> 02:46:14,720 lot more than what they already have um 2305 02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:19,760 but um I would ask I I think I I do want 2306 02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:22,800 to support this I I I will second this 2307 02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:26,439 uh but at the same time hopefully just 2308 02:46:26,439 --> 02:46:29,240 um take it one step at a time as and 2309 02:46:29,240 --> 02:46:31,439 hopefully we can bring it 2310 02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:35,680 back uh when when it's appropriate and 2311 02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:37,560 we can look at it again but I I I will 2312 02:46:37,560 --> 02:46:38,720 second that 2313 02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:41,160 motion so we have a motion on the floor 2314 02:46:41,160 --> 02:46:44,399 by uh council member Wallace uh second 2315 02:46:44,399 --> 02:46:46,399 by myself roll call 2316 02:46:46,399 --> 02:46:50,160 please roll call cancel member Wallace 2317 02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:52,359 yes council member 2318 02:46:52,359 --> 02:46:56,520 Soo sorry I meant to ask this question 2319 02:46:56,520 --> 02:46:59,720 um down here Below on the staff report I 2320 02:46:59,720 --> 02:47:01,720 realize there's a motion on the floor 2321 02:47:01,720 --> 02:47:04,000 but pursuing this project will allow the 2322 02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:05,800 city of livon to leverage any available 2323 02:47:05,800 --> 02:47:10,040 local fund should it be necessary what in particular were uh was that 2324 02:47:10,040 --> 02:47:12,800 reference towards 2325 02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:16,680 Anthony um page two of three it's just 2326 02:47:16,680 --> 02:47:19,319 stating that we could use our um 2327 02:47:19,319 --> 02:47:21,640 reserves 2328 02:47:21,640 --> 02:47:25,429 Capital 2329 02:47:25,439 --> 02:47:27,920 Enterprises funds 2330 02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:36,990 if liable for funds but if it's 2331 02:47:37,000 --> 02:47:42,240 granted okay um I'm it's it's it's a 2332 02:47:42,240 --> 02:47:44,800 hard tossup but seeing in the future if 2333 02:47:44,800 --> 02:47:47,560 it expands our our water infrastructure 2334 02:47:47,560 --> 02:47:51,520 then it's it's a great concept but as it 2335 02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:53,279 stands right now with with some of the 2336 02:47:53,279 --> 02:47:55,600 things that that were discussed here you 2337 02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:58,399 know we we are in a in a hard place with 2338 02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:00,080 our water but seeing that this is 2339 02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:01,399 something for our 2340 02:48:01,399 --> 02:48:04,160 future um it it does it's not going to 2341 02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:09,080 hurt us to for um members of this 2342 02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:12,520 Council or staff to enter into like a 2343 02:48:12,520 --> 02:48:15,479 discussion so those the when it comes to 2344 02:48:15,479 --> 02:48:17,240 the hard conversation that would be up 2345 02:48:17,240 --> 02:48:21,200 to Future councils to come to but just 2346 02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:23,520 to look into the ideas and see what you 2347 02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:25,960 can come up with even with uh your 2348 02:48:25,960 --> 02:48:29,600 Alternatives if you find a better 2349 02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:32,359 alternative um by all means but uh 2350 02:48:32,359 --> 02:48:35,600 working with our our neighbors Shelby 2351 02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:39,560 school has many of our our students that 2352 02:48:39,560 --> 02:48:45,040 attend there so um I can yeah yes was 2353 02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:49,399 that roll call yeah yes mayor 2354 02:48:49,399 --> 02:48:52,160 yes motion passes by a vote of 2355 02:48:52,160 --> 02:48:55,840 30 thank you so next at 2356 02:48:55,840 --> 02:48:59,479 9:44 we have uh adjournment and uh good 2357 02:48:59,479 --> 02:49:02,680 night everyone