[0:28] e e
[58:53] good evening everyone Welcome to our
[58:55] regular council meeting for November 19
[58:59] 2024 uh calling a meeting to order at
[59:07] 7:54 can we please stand for the Pledge
[59:09] of
[59:14] Allegiance ready
[59:19] begin of America and to the stands one
[59:24] nation
[59:26] indivisible liberty and justice for all
[59:29] if we can all please remain standing for
[59:31] a moment of silence for our First
[59:32] Responders and Military members
[59:40] please thank you may be
[59:45] seated roll call please roll call
[59:49] council member Wallace present council
[59:52] member SoDo present mayor pimp Samra
[59:55] present mayor Moran present for the
[59:58] record council member Roth is
[1:00:01] absent thank
[1:00:03] you uh I just want to report that uh
[1:00:06] council member Ro he wasn't feeling too
[1:00:08] well and he had to leave so he was part
[1:00:10] of our regular uh close session but he
[1:00:13] wasn't feeling too
[1:00:15] well
[1:00:16] um Ro uh close session announcements
[1:00:19] thank you Mr Mayor uh nothing no
[1:00:21] reportable action was taken at this time
[1:00:24] thank you are there any changes to the
[1:00:27] agenda uh yes Mr Mayor yes go ahead I
[1:00:32] like to
[1:00:34] request that item number
[1:00:37] 44 be placed after item
[1:00:40] number 41 because I have a conflict on
[1:00:45] item number 42 and
[1:00:47] 43 the discussion regarding water is
[1:00:52] close to proximity to my house so
[1:00:55] there's a conflict there
[1:00:57] and the consolidation of Livingston
[1:00:59] Floyd and chelby even though I'm at the
[1:01:02] lower level I am an MTO employee that's
[1:01:05] for abundance of caution I will recuse
[1:01:08] myself as well on that
[1:01:11] item okay so there's a request to move
[1:01:14] item
[1:01:15] 44 after
[1:01:18] 41 uh is there any
[1:01:22] um any disagreement I'm okay with that
[1:01:26] see none uh is there anything
[1:01:36] else after after 41 after 41 all right
[1:01:40] thank you next we have uh citizen
[1:01:43] comments uh this section of the agenda
[1:01:45] allows members of the public to address
[1:01:48] the city council on any item not on the
[1:01:51] agenda members of the public uh when
[1:01:53] recognized my should come forward to the
[1:01:54] Lector and ify themselves comments are
[1:01:57] normally limited to 3 minutes in
[1:01:59] accordance with State open me laws no
[1:02:01] action will be taken by the city council
[1:02:03] this evening is there any uh citizen
[1:02:06] comments for any items not on the agenda
[1:02:09] please come forward you have three
[1:02:11] minutes and if you can please state your
[1:02:13] name for the record is there anyone on
[1:02:15] the
[1:02:18] phone hearing n is there anyone in the
[1:02:20] chamber
[1:02:38] can you hold on can can we make sure
[1:02:39] that the mic is on
[1:02:45] please thank
[1:02:48] you my name is Angela Welch laara and my
[1:02:52] address is 1848 Ashby Road in mered
[1:02:56] California I'm a retired educator of
[1:02:58] Merced City School District 26 years one
[1:03:01] school district and 25 years one school
[1:03:04] Alise
[1:03:05] ures um my last observation was made by
[1:03:09] Sacramento Department of Education in
[1:03:14] 31727 um and I was forced to fill out an
[1:03:17] accident report uh by the time I got
[1:03:19] done all my paperwork came back um from
[1:03:23] workman's comp and all that that I was
[1:03:25] never an educator and it's all
[1:03:27] classified and that means I don't have
[1:03:29] registered fingerprints um with the
[1:03:32] state and so I'm having trouble with my
[1:03:34] community of mered and I've approached
[1:03:36] them many times um following
[1:03:40] protocol I was hoping to leave a living
[1:03:43] breathing trust for the next uh the
[1:03:46] children on that part but the next union
[1:03:49] rep doesn't have to go through the same
[1:03:51] thing um being that I'm an educator and
[1:03:54] you go to do your work uh your taxes
[1:03:57] it's difficult to be stuck between
[1:03:59] because it's like bait and switch
[1:04:01] identity theft in a sense um and I did
[1:04:04] not uh do the 100% so that means it's
[1:04:07] like I'm being stripped of my tenure
[1:04:09] credential at the same time and then
[1:04:12] when I go to present or approach my uh
[1:04:15] the California Teachers Association
[1:04:19] those who were running the district at
[1:04:21] the time uh the principal uh and the the
[1:04:26] others are now part of the California
[1:04:28] retired Teachers Association so I'm
[1:04:31] stuck in between two places and I
[1:04:34] haven't had much success and so I've
[1:04:37] actually have posters and books and
[1:04:39] things like that um and I'm out of New
[1:04:43] Mexico and um I can prove myself from
[1:04:46] the 1500s for school board cuz my cousin
[1:04:50] is an actor um and I'm not trying to
[1:04:52] brag it's just he's the RoboCop of all
[1:04:55] the robo cops of the 1500 for school
[1:04:57] board I'm being told I have no rights
[1:05:00] and I have a brand from
[1:05:01] 1882 and we've all laid down our lives
[1:05:05] our families why not leave a living
[1:05:07] breathing trust uh the prior grievance
[1:05:10] was um taking me dragging kicking and
[1:05:12] screaming when I had 20 years and the
[1:05:14] other person had eight and her husband
[1:05:17] was a lawyer and now a judge that's
[1:05:20] difficult to go against uh in my
[1:05:22] community uh and now they're trying to
[1:05:24] do dual language but it's through Mong
[1:05:27] uh through the county how are you going
[1:05:29] to do that when you're stripping the
[1:05:31] teachers that are the bilingual a bclad
[1:05:34] teacher to a classified person never a
[1:05:38] teacher on paperwork so it's difficult
[1:05:41] and where is Sacramento going to find
[1:05:44] students at an account Clerk's desk that
[1:05:47] was my last
[1:05:48] observation um and I would like
[1:05:51] representation I haven't had any luck
[1:05:53] there and I'm to stuck between between
[1:05:56] unions and um I haven't had much success
[1:06:00] in response by them and I've actually
[1:06:03] put it into a big book and I was trying
[1:06:06] to apply for an endowment can you go
[1:06:08] ahead and finish up your comments please
[1:06:09] all right uh appreciate some assistance
[1:06:12] with my community and um possibly
[1:06:16] approach others and share this story and
[1:06:20] give back to the migrant child and I'm
[1:06:22] all the way from Roswell New Mexico
[1:06:23] migrant means you're following the crop
[1:06:25] I was EO English all the way appreciate
[1:06:28] your time thank thank you thank you so
[1:06:29] much is there any other uh citizen
[1:06:32] comments in the
[1:06:34] chamber no thank
[1:06:38] you please state your name for the
[1:06:42] record good everyone chip Che uh do want
[1:06:45] to start with a quick birthday shout out
[1:06:47] it's uh one of my favorite uncles
[1:06:49] birthday is today he's not watching but
[1:06:51] he's going to get happy when he sees
[1:06:52] this so happy birthday to tiama uh big
[1:06:54] 50 for him
[1:06:56] uh comment related to something I
[1:06:58] brought up back in April just haven't
[1:06:59] seen it on the agenda since then and
[1:07:01] hoping I can get clarification and if
[1:07:03] not happy to follow up with
[1:07:05] anybody before the meeting prior to the
[1:07:07] April 16th meeting I can't remember the
[1:07:09] date at the end of the meeting council
[1:07:11] member Roth um and the future agenda
[1:07:13] item section had asked if we could do a
[1:07:15] water study related to Emerald textiles
[1:07:19] the next meeting I had asked about the
[1:07:21] update on that just cuz I didn't see it
[1:07:23] on the agenda and I was told that these
[1:07:24] things take time obviously you can't
[1:07:26] just have a study in 2 weeks didn't know
[1:07:27] that at the time but I haven't seen it
[1:07:29] on the agenda since then and it's been
[1:07:31] several months since that was brought up
[1:07:33] so just wanted to ask if that's on the
[1:07:35] radar are we looking into the water
[1:07:38] usage of emerald textiles at all is a
[1:07:39] study in
[1:07:40] progress have also heard Rumblings about
[1:07:44] Emerald being way out of compliance in
[1:07:47] terms of how much water they're using
[1:07:48] obviously don't have any evidence for
[1:07:49] that it's just something that's been
[1:07:50] brought up to me by folks in the
[1:07:52] community so I wanted to mention that I
[1:07:54] just wanted to ask about the progress of
[1:07:56] that whole process thank
[1:07:59] you thank you is there any other
[1:08:02] additional citizen comments in the
[1:08:03] chamber at this
[1:08:10] time thank you go
[1:08:15] ahead Julio
[1:08:16] vales so um I talked to you guys um
[1:08:21] before you went to close session and you guys had asked uh well actually
[1:08:27] um you Mr Mayor
[1:08:31] you uh Maria you guys had said that you
[1:08:34] would put this in the agenda or close
[1:08:36] session uh to go back and and and look
[1:08:40] into paying the people that you did not
[1:08:42] pay after the 4th of July Festival um so
[1:08:45] I would I wanted to ask you guys to
[1:08:47] bring that up again it does there was no
[1:08:49] reportable action I don't know if there
[1:08:51] was action or not on that but when you
[1:08:54] talk to the band manager you told him
[1:08:57] that it would be on today's agenda you
[1:09:01] also told him that you would even give
[1:09:04] your your Council money to him if
[1:09:08] whatever reason nothing happened so um
[1:09:11] like I said
[1:09:12] earlier um mayor Moran Maria you guys
[1:09:16] say that you're for the community with
[1:09:18] the community that you support the
[1:09:20] community these kids that played on the
[1:09:22] 4th of July are part of your community
[1:09:25] and just like I said earlier one of the
[1:09:27] kids that played in the band was was one
[1:09:29] of your students at Livingston high
[1:09:31] school so I hope that you guys really
[1:09:33] reconsider that I I understand that
[1:09:36] there was not a contract but you used to
[1:09:38] do events sometimes things happen bands
[1:09:41] don't show up you got to do something
[1:09:43] and and make the show go on so that's
[1:09:46] what I did I asked that band who played
[1:09:48] two days for free I asked them well this
[1:09:51] other band didn't show up can you play
[1:09:52] one more set and we'll go ahead and pay
[1:09:55] you
[1:09:56] so they agreed and we had several
[1:10:00] meetings with you guys and you guys
[1:10:03] asked for paperwork they turned in the
[1:10:05] W9 they turned in their invoice nothing
[1:10:08] happened same thing with the nonprofit I
[1:10:09] got to go faster cuz I'm running out of
[1:10:11] time but same thing with the nonprofit
[1:10:13] nobody wanted to do the beer garden here
[1:10:15] in Livingston so we had to get someone
[1:10:18] else um you guys said that you didn't
[1:10:20] authorize it authorize them or whatever
[1:10:22] there was no contract but you signed um
[1:10:25] point at the city manager you signed
[1:10:27] their
[1:10:28] beer uh permit to go to the state to ABC
[1:10:33] at that time you should have said hey we
[1:10:34] don't have a contract let's get a
[1:10:35] contract but you never said nothing
[1:10:36] neither the police chief the previous
[1:10:38] police chief also signed that so the
[1:10:40] city was aware knew that they were going
[1:10:42] to do the the beer Booth they turned in
[1:10:45] over $8,000 to the city we turned it in
[1:10:48] you guys have the receipt and everything
[1:10:50] they need to get their part as well so
[1:10:52] the band needs to be paid
[1:10:54] $1,000 uh
[1:10:56] um I know that gal talked to him you
[1:11:00] guys responded to him the lawyer called
[1:11:01] me because he put it on social media
[1:11:04] that you guys didn't want to pay and
[1:11:05] that's the only time that you guys
[1:11:07] responded to him or me the lawyer called
[1:11:09] me right away that day when when it was
[1:11:12] put on social media but I'm here not
[1:11:16] to argue not to uh bring that up but the
[1:11:19] other thing I want to do ask is that you
[1:11:21] guys go ahead and pay them their dues
[1:11:24] they they're a nonprofit who put their
[1:11:26] time they brought people to to uh to
[1:11:28] work they they they paid for stuff they
[1:11:31] still got to pay the state taxes for the
[1:11:33] sales of that as well and so they they
[1:11:36] still they're still there they also pay
[1:11:38] the the permit again that you signed Mr
[1:11:41] city manager and um and so on so I'm
[1:11:44] asking that you guys reconsider and pay
[1:11:48] the
[1:11:50] band They $1,000 then you go ahead and
[1:11:53] the nonprofit the other amount thank you
[1:11:56] is there any other citizen comments in
[1:11:58] the
[1:12:01] chamber
[1:12:05] Roy um so just just so and I appreciate
[1:12:09] the comments and I just want to be able
[1:12:10] to respond obviously I'm not able to
[1:12:13] share share close session information
[1:12:16] but uh the only thing I can say is that
[1:12:21] uh Direction was given and uh City will
[1:12:25] be contacting those people for uh more
[1:12:31] information okay and then later I can
[1:12:34] provide uh more information if anybody
[1:12:36] needs it uh and I and I do want to say
[1:12:38] that that I did I did uh um always
[1:12:43] respond to people not because it was on
[1:12:46] social media but you and I had plenty uh
[1:12:49] more than a couple of conversations
[1:12:51] prior to that and uh so um
[1:12:55] so it's not that I never answer calls I
[1:12:58] I'm I'm always answering responding to
[1:13:00] calls the most I take normally is not
[1:13:04] even 24 hours sometimes when people call
[1:13:07] me or reach out to me sometimes even
[1:13:10] within the hour so you know I'm not sure
[1:13:13] if you were referring to me or just in
[1:13:16] general but you know uh when they there
[1:13:20] things in place I'm not going to be
[1:13:24] micromanaging City staff when they're
[1:13:27] you know it is not my duty to to
[1:13:31] micromanage uh City staff but just uh
[1:13:35] but I understand your frustration and uh
[1:13:38] but I also understand that I have to
[1:13:39] follow
[1:13:40] what's what uh uh the majority of the
[1:13:43] council makes a decision on so just but
[1:13:47] if anybody has any other questions feel
[1:13:49] free to reach out everybody has my
[1:13:51] number most people know where I live um
[1:13:55] see me around town social media anywhere
[1:13:57] I'm always I'm always very
[1:13:59] reachable all thank
[1:14:02] you okay um any other citizen
[1:14:06] comments seeing none closing the uh
[1:14:09] citizen comments at 8:09 next we have
[1:14:12] announcements and reports uh so we have
[1:14:15] City staff announcements and reports uh
[1:14:17] Jackie benat Recreation superintendent
[1:14:20] uh Christmas parade update
[1:14:48] good evening everyone um I thought that
[1:14:52] it would be well actually my boss
[1:14:54] thought it would be a good idea idea
[1:14:55] that I gave an update for the Christmas
[1:14:57] parade and the chief is going to open my
[1:15:01] presentation with the 12 Days of
[1:15:05] Christmas December
[1:15:08] 1 okay December
[1:15:11] 1st um so I thought that it would be
[1:15:14] kind of fun to give you guys
[1:15:18] wait um a little history lesson on the
[1:15:22] Christmas parade do I
[1:15:28] okay so the annual Livingston lighted
[1:15:31] Christmas parade started in
[1:15:34] 2002 at the recommendation of council
[1:15:36] member Roy
[1:15:38] Soria um and has been a well received
[1:15:41] event ever since so the very first theme
[1:15:44] was an international Christmas for those
[1:15:47] of you that may remember or may not and
[1:15:50] our first Grand Marshal was Ramone
[1:15:52] Martinez and he was the leader of or the
[1:15:57] president of the Livingston youth
[1:15:59] football so 2024 marks our 22nd annual
[1:16:03] event and it will be a superhero
[1:16:15] Christmas so I thought I would throw in
[1:16:17] a few pictures of Christmas in the past
[1:16:23] uh the
[1:16:25] picture of the little ballerinas over
[1:16:27] here on the bottom let's see if I
[1:16:30] can know if it's
[1:16:33] dead um was from 15 oh now it's moving
[1:16:38] it was from 15 years
[1:16:40] ago so the traditional route was Park in
[1:16:43] Main
[1:16:45] Street uh it was from Maine to D until
[1:16:49] Co started
[1:16:58] and then the co route went through the
[1:17:00] neighborhoods as shown to cut down on
[1:17:03] the congestion of the crowds down on
[1:17:05] Main
[1:17:06] Street
[1:17:10] next so 2024 the lighted Christmas
[1:17:14] Parade route we are going to return down
[1:17:16] Main Street from Peach to D and then um
[1:17:20] so we'll be staging down
[1:17:23] Peach uh down
[1:17:25] 7th and then backup Park if we need that
[1:17:28] because our parade is quite large and
[1:17:31] then of course we'll have the gift fair
[1:17:33] downtown
[1:17:36] next so we'd like the community to join
[1:17:39] us for lots of holiday spirit and
[1:17:42] memories um it will be the SE it's
[1:17:44] always the second Friday of December at
[1:17:46] 6:30 the gift spare starts at 5 we'll
[1:17:50] have entertainment we're going to have
[1:17:53] uh Christmas Carol ERS at the
[1:17:55] intersection of D and Main Street so if
[1:17:59] you like to sing come on down uh Chief
[1:18:03] the and we'll have lots of fun singing
[1:18:06] Christmas carols and then our of course
[1:18:08] our cord of trees will be on display and
[1:18:10] with that if you have any questions um I
[1:18:13] did bring you all candy canes so you
[1:18:15] would be part of the Christmas spirit
[1:18:17] early and um it's going to be you've
[1:18:21] probably seen this you guys can put on
[1:18:23] your Superman capes
[1:18:25] Superwoman capes
[1:18:28] and be a part of this need
[1:18:32] event
[1:18:35] questions so just for um well thank you
[1:18:38] for that I mean it's always great to
[1:18:40] have all those activities in the winter
[1:18:43] Christmas the CT of trees and all of
[1:18:46] that uh for residents that that are
[1:18:49] might be new to to our city for
[1:18:52] residents that might never have had
[1:18:55] uh or participated in in the parade
[1:19:00] uh how would you sign up yeah how do
[1:19:02] they sign up and who can sign up any
[1:19:05] family can sign up they don't need to be
[1:19:07] part of any or represent any
[1:19:09] organization school and it can just be
[1:19:12] we invite all the organizations and
[1:19:14] schools Etc but if your family wants to
[1:19:17] get together to start a tradition of
[1:19:20] making a float or even having a truck
[1:19:23] and being in the back of it or you have
[1:19:25] an old car um we welcome everyone you
[1:19:30] can sign up uh the easiest way is online
[1:19:33] there is a link um on the city website
[1:19:35] under Recreation and you just fill it in
[1:19:38] and say what you're doing and then we'll
[1:19:40] get back with you and tell you what
[1:19:42] place you are in the parade or and then
[1:19:44] when to sign there's no cost for this it
[1:19:46] is free now we don't have great big
[1:19:49] prizes that we give away you'll just get
[1:19:51] a certificate or a ribbon um but you get
[1:19:55] lots of bragging rights and then since
[1:19:58] this is just going to be down Main
[1:19:59] Street can can
[1:20:01] participants participate as just a
[1:20:04] walking group and dance Walk yeah as a
[1:20:07] matter of fact when we had the it
[1:20:09] through more of you know back in the
[1:20:12] neighborhoods people would wait till
[1:20:13] they got to the pink store to walk
[1:20:16] because it was too far to come all the
[1:20:19] way through the whole route um so yeah
[1:20:26] I know but did you all know what I meant
[1:20:28] when I said the pink store
[1:20:31] Julio it's still a pink store to me yeah
[1:20:34] it's it will always be the pink store to
[1:20:36] me too all
[1:20:39] right Council any questions comments
[1:20:43] who's going to be
[1:20:44] Santa Santa will be
[1:20:49] Santa who's going to be Santa the same
[1:20:53] Santa that comes every every year at the
[1:20:55] end of the parade okay we're on his
[1:20:58] calendar right I mean he is on the
[1:21:01] calendar perfect thank
[1:21:04] you councel any other
[1:21:07] questions well thank you very much
[1:21:11] Jackie and to all of your entire
[1:21:14] Recreation Office department and uh Team
[1:21:19] yeah many employees thank
[1:21:22] you uh city manager announcement
[1:21:26] uh just one mayor uh it looks like the
[1:21:29] preliminary results related to measure L
[1:21:30] are continuing to Trend right around 71
[1:21:32] or 72% I think right around 71 I really
[1:21:36] want to thank the council for all the
[1:21:37] work that they did in advocating uh
[1:21:40] providing education materials to the
[1:21:42] community and really thank the residents
[1:21:44] for their efforts and making sure that item got passed uh we'll be putting
[1:21:48] some communication in the near term
[1:21:50] about that um so just be on the lookout
[1:21:52] for that thank you mayor thank you uh
[1:21:55] council members announcements and
[1:21:58] reports uh Mr Wallace at this time um
[1:22:03] Miss uh
[1:22:06] sto yes thank you um to your question
[1:22:10] the meeting G was April 2nd however
[1:22:14] that item has been brought up at several
[1:22:17] occasions um in involving investigations
[1:22:20] in our water and just follow up on many
[1:22:23] items to tonight there's a slew of
[1:22:26] minutes and purposely I believe that
[1:22:28] this happens so that people might forget
[1:22:32] that things are said during meetings if
[1:22:34] they're not following up but thank you
[1:22:35] for your diligence and coming before the
[1:22:38] council and and requesting that certain
[1:22:41] items continue to move forward or keep
[1:22:44] um bringing items up so that it doesn't
[1:22:46] fall off the radar
[1:22:49] um also Julio thank you so much for
[1:22:52] tonight's uh comment
[1:22:55] I am an advocate for the city of
[1:22:57] Livingston and I do um I Am pro youth
[1:23:01] Pro Elders Pro Livingston so what we can
[1:23:05] do to provide events for the city of
[1:23:08] Livingston of course I've been on that
[1:23:11] committee since
[1:23:12] 2014
[1:23:13] we've been you've been very successful
[1:23:16] in coordinating a lot of events for the
[1:23:19] city of Livingston so thank you so much
[1:23:20] for your service to the city of
[1:23:22] Livingston and providing
[1:23:25] uh the environments and the
[1:23:27] entertainments and the events um however
[1:23:30] we don't want to throw anybody on the
[1:23:31] bus we want people to still continue to
[1:23:33] work on behalf of City events so that
[1:23:36] they can continue to happen and we've
[1:23:38] always reached out to other groups um
[1:23:41] when they've requested certain things we
[1:23:45] can't we at least I don't make promises
[1:23:48] that they can happen but we do our best
[1:23:51] to make sure that we work with um our
[1:23:54] youth especially the group that uh you
[1:23:57] discussed tonight so that we can keep
[1:23:59] our local talents coming out and
[1:24:02] performing at um our events so thank you
[1:24:06] um I do have uh something for Mr
[1:24:09] brazinski
[1:24:11] tonight as you know I'm part of the VFW
[1:24:15] our post 7792
[1:24:20] auxiliary we do have a program through
[1:24:22] our VFW and it hasn't and it's been
[1:24:25] promoted and it's been dis many of them
[1:24:27] have been
[1:24:29] displayed to date I can recall 13
[1:24:34] banners that should be in the court yard
[1:24:38] Plaza across the street and along Main
[1:24:40] Street however there are about eight
[1:24:42] that have gone missing and I know that
[1:24:44] I've had this conversation with public
[1:24:46] works and with our city city manager and
[1:24:48] our previous city manager of how we can
[1:24:50] work better with our
[1:24:54] uh veterans with this program so that we
[1:24:59] um at least can find funding and a
[1:25:03] procedure of how to display the banners
[1:25:05] so that we can honor our currently
[1:25:07] serving members in the military so
[1:25:11] tonight um I do so for those of you that
[1:25:15] haven't seen these before I do also have
[1:25:17] tonight's presentation um
[1:25:22] with uhor Master Sergeant Ramon
[1:25:26] Lopez he was tragically killed last year
[1:25:30] but this is an honor for his son to have
[1:25:33] a
[1:25:34] banner I do
[1:25:37] have another military Banner that I'd
[1:25:39] like to present to um Dennis binski
[1:25:44] senior to his son who's currently
[1:25:46] serving in the uh Marine Corps these
[1:25:50] banners represent students that are from
[1:25:53] living
[1:25:55] that go into the military and they are
[1:25:57] currently serving the purpose of this is
[1:25:59] so that our community knows that we do
[1:26:02] have
[1:26:04] um service
[1:26:06] members that we as a council pray for at
[1:26:11] least we take a moment of silence for
[1:26:14] the protection also our p and
[1:26:16] Mia and we just celebrated our veterans
[1:26:21] so these are for our currently serving
[1:26:24] um Mr brazinski has a son in in the
[1:26:27] Marine Corps and this Banner I'm going
[1:26:29] to go ahead and present it to him so
[1:26:31] that at some point if he would like to
[1:26:34] hand it over to the city because I know
[1:26:36] that during this time we're going to be
[1:26:38] taking down the decorations that are up
[1:26:40] and putting up Christmas so this is
[1:26:42] going to be taken down so whatever
[1:26:44] conversations you'd like to have with
[1:26:45] our public works or with our city um
[1:26:48] admin team to see how we can better
[1:26:50] coordinate a program that I've been
[1:26:53] asking for for for I don't know many years um to see how we can work
[1:26:59] better with our our
[1:27:02] military um post so Mr brazinski thank
[1:27:06] you so much for your son's
[1:27:11] [Applause]
[1:27:18] service he's on
[1:27:25] [Applause]
[1:27:30] if there are members in the community
[1:27:32] that have
[1:27:34] um somebody serving and you'd like to
[1:27:38] have a banner
[1:27:39] displayed uh your best bet is to either
[1:27:43] contact UM Dennis Wells I don't have his
[1:27:47] number memorized but he does have his
[1:27:49] contact information over there on sth
[1:27:51] street at the new and improved VFW H
[1:27:55] okay thank
[1:27:59] you thank you uh mayor proam
[1:28:05] Su thank you Mr Mayor I just wanted to
[1:28:09] add to what Mr Lopez said regarding
[1:28:11] measure
[1:28:13] L uh you know election season everybody
[1:28:18] has their own things agendas when
[1:28:21] they're talking to public one thing I
[1:28:23] can probably say say that every
[1:28:24] candidate out there
[1:28:27] everyone was United in supporting our
[1:28:30] Public Safety our
[1:28:32] services now I know that we will I just
[1:28:38] we need to make sure that we keep our
[1:28:41] word to the public in and using major L
[1:28:46] for Public Safety a fire Services then
[1:28:50] the whatever is left over for other part
[1:28:52] of uh Public Safety just want to make
[1:28:55] sure I want to to assure the people that
[1:28:58] I still have full attention of holding
[1:29:02] what I said to them we would do to make
[1:29:04] sure that measure L gets used properly
[1:29:08] thank
[1:29:13] you thank you so uh I will hold my
[1:29:17] reports until next time uh to save some
[1:29:20] time because we have a lot of uh items
[1:29:23] on the agenda
[1:29:25] um next we have the uh consent agenda
[1:29:28] items on the consent calendar are
[1:29:30] considered routine and or
[1:29:32] non-controversial and will be enacted by
[1:29:34] one vote unless separate action is
[1:29:36] requested by a member of the public the
[1:29:37] city manager or city council member
[1:29:40] there will be no separate discussion of
[1:29:42] these items unless members of the public
[1:29:44] city council or city manager request
[1:29:46] that that specific items be
[1:29:49] removed public comment on consent agenda
[1:29:52] items should be limited to 3 minutes per
[1:29:54] person regardless of the number of items
[1:29:56] uh contained within the consent agenda
[1:30:00] so we have items one 2 3 four five six
[1:30:05] all the way up
[1:30:11] to 38 in the uh consent agenda items is
[1:30:16] there are there any questions on any of
[1:30:19] the items uh whether it's just a
[1:30:21] question or that needs to be removed
[1:30:23] from the consent and discussed
[1:30:24] separately Council Mr
[1:30:27] Wallace misso I have a question on item
[1:30:30] number
[1:30:33] 32
[1:30:35] um question you want to take it out or
[1:30:38] just just a question be and keep it keep
[1:30:41] it in on
[1:30:43] consent I just want to know I because it
[1:30:47] does say that there's going to be a
[1:30:49] pricing option and since there's no
[1:30:52] discussion how are we going to direct
[1:30:55] the city manager to choose which way to
[1:30:59] um have this
[1:31:01] agreement I do well well well I do
[1:31:04] believe the recommendation was to do the
[1:31:07] three years
[1:31:08] from uh from the office but from the
[1:31:11] city manager's office but go ahead the
[1:31:14] resolution does include the retainer
[1:31:17] option for the city of Livingston
[1:31:20] instead of the pr Grant basis council
[1:31:22] member
[1:31:24] the retainer fee will be covered through
[1:31:26] the general fund unencumbered funds for
[1:31:28] 57,000 annually that's correct thank you
[1:31:36] sure Council
[1:31:39] uh uh mayor P now if there are no
[1:31:43] questions or any comments I'd like to
[1:31:44] make the motion to approve the conent
[1:31:46] calendar
[1:31:54] oh
[1:31:57] yeah I'll
[1:32:17] second all right so before we move
[1:32:19] forward I do want to just go out for
[1:32:20] public comment is there any uh questions
[1:32:23] is there any uh citizen comment on any
[1:32:26] of the items on the agenda on I'm sorry
[1:32:28] on the consent agenda anyone on the
[1:32:34] phone uh hearing none uh anyone in the
[1:32:38] chamber seeing none bringing it back at
[1:32:40] 8:28 uh so we do have a motion on the
[1:32:43] floor uh a motion
[1:32:45] by by mayor prend Samra and the second
[1:32:48] by council member Soo roll call please
[1:32:51] roll call council member w
[1:32:54] yes council member Soto yes mayor PM Sam
[1:32:58] yes mayor modan yes motion approved by
[1:33:01] vot of four Z thank you uh next we have
[1:33:06] a public hearing item number 39
[1:33:08] resolution to confirm the close out of
[1:33:10] the city's Community Development block
[1:33:13] grants uh cdbg 20 cdbg
[1:33:17] uh- CV
[1:33:21] 2-3-6 and 20- cdbg D CV2 D3
[1:33:28] d0000034 staff recommendation approved
[1:33:33] resolution I believe we have someone on
[1:33:36] line or happy to present this item um do
[1:33:40] we have a self-help representative
[1:33:49] online so happy if you could just
[1:33:51] present the staff report that'd be great
[1:33:55] EX
[1:34:59] good evening mayor staff members of the
[1:35:01] audience so this item is a resolution
[1:35:03] allowing the allowing the closeout to
[1:35:05] process of the city's cdbg CV 20 and
[1:35:10] cdbg CV 2-3
[1:35:13] 00006 and 20 cdbg CV 2-3
[1:35:17] 0034 so these are two separate grants
[1:35:20] that the city had got when Co was was
[1:35:23] around and this was to allow the
[1:35:25] citizens that were behind on their
[1:35:28] utility bills mortgages
[1:35:30] um any kind of Bill that they were
[1:35:32] behind on to get assistance from the
[1:35:34] city so now we're closing these out the
[1:35:37] first one which is the 20 cdb GCV 2-3
[1:35:42] 0034 as you guys read through the
[1:35:44] application I mean as the staff report
[1:35:46] we had around 81 applicants received 64
[1:35:50] households assisted and then 17 were
[1:35:52] denied
[1:35:54] rental assistance provided for one
[1:35:56] mortgage assistance for nine and utility
[1:35:59] assistance for 91 so majority of the
[1:36:01] people that applied for this were for
[1:36:03] the utility
[1:36:05] bills applicants were denied typically
[1:36:08] due to the applicant not providing
[1:36:09] necessary documentation rental mortgage
[1:36:12] utilities um will not add up to the
[1:36:14] application complete due to some
[1:36:15] households receiving more than one form
[1:36:18] of assistance so if you received one
[1:36:19] form of assistance then you can't apply
[1:36:22] for it again so that's what lot of these
[1:36:23] were
[1:36:25] for as we kind of went through the whole
[1:36:28] process um we are dis encumbering around
[1:36:31] $99 of this grant so we used basically
[1:36:34] the total $ 114,000 that we received on
[1:36:38] the second Grant which is the 20 cdbg CV
[1:36:42] 2-36 this one was specifically for the
[1:36:45] business assistance which was converted
[1:36:47] to the substance program so we weren't
[1:36:49] getting enough of the business
[1:36:51] assistance um for the businesses to come
[1:36:53] and kind of get the assist they
[1:36:55] needed so what self help did with the
[1:36:58] city's with the city's help is we went
[1:37:01] back to cdbg and try to reallocate these
[1:37:04] funds for substance payments program a
[1:37:08] lot of the people that applied for the
[1:37:10] second phase of this when we had this
[1:37:11] money did already got the assistance for
[1:37:14] the first one so that's why we got a lot
[1:37:16] of denials on this second
[1:37:18] side applications received 34 assisted
[1:37:22] 18 and 16 were
[1:37:25] denied um so on this grant since we did
[1:37:28] get over 200,000 we are estimating
[1:37:31] around 108 being disencumbered and given
[1:37:34] back to the state and and a lot of that
[1:37:36] was just cuz a lot of people already got
[1:37:38] the assistance they needed and they
[1:37:40] couldn't basically apply again to get
[1:37:43] the to get the assistance so right now
[1:37:45] um there's no fiscal impact to the city
[1:37:48] since it is a grant so there's nothing
[1:37:49] that we got to give back to um the state
[1:37:52] so right now we're we're recommending an
[1:37:55] approval for this close out of these
[1:37:59] grants Mr Mayor if I could also add one
[1:38:01] thing as part of the closeout
[1:38:02] requirements the council is required to
[1:38:05] have a public hearing that's why it's
[1:38:06] listed under the public hearing item so
[1:38:09] as part of um the process we would ask
[1:38:11] that the mayor open the public hearing
[1:38:14] ask for public comment um close the
[1:38:16] public hearing um before adopting the uh
[1:38:19] resolution as requested by staff
[1:38:23] all right so at this time at 8:33 I'm
[1:38:26] going to open the uh public hearing is
[1:38:28] there anyone in in the on the phone that
[1:38:30] has any questions in regards to this
[1:38:35] item hearing none coming back to the
[1:38:37] chamber at 8:33 anyone in the chamber
[1:38:40] with questions in regards to this
[1:38:44] item seeing none bringing it back to the
[1:38:46] Das at 8:34 closing the
[1:38:50] uh public hearing 8:34 Council any
[1:38:55] questions
[1:39:00] motions a motion to approve the
[1:39:03] resolution close out of the process by C
[1:39:06] cdbg
[1:39:07] CV2 cdbg CV and the rest of it the
[1:39:14] grants okay so I just got a little cough
[1:39:18] so we have a motion on the floor uh by
[1:39:20] mayor PM Samra second by council member
[1:39:23] Wallace roll call please roll call
[1:39:26] council member Wallace yes council
[1:39:29] member Soto yes Mayor portm Sam yesan
[1:39:33] yes motion passes by a vote of 4 Z thank
[1:39:37] you next we have discussion and
[1:39:38] potential action items item number 40
[1:39:40] consideration of a resolution to appoint
[1:39:43] just Neil sing to the Planning
[1:39:45] Commission as a regular member of the
[1:39:47] Planning Commission and resolution to
[1:39:49] appoint Diego Castillo to the Planning
[1:39:51] Commission as an alternate member staff
[1:39:53] recommendation approved
[1:39:55] resolutions
[1:40:01] Miguel good evening mayor members of the
[1:40:03] council members of the audience Miguel
[1:40:06] galz contract city planner just to be a
[1:40:10] little quick history on June 18th 2024
[1:40:13] the city council appointed planning
[1:40:15] commissioner Robert Wallace to the livon
[1:40:17] city council congratulations Mr Wallace
[1:40:20] on the same day Mr Wallace verbally
[1:40:22] resigned from the Planning Commission
[1:40:24] creating a vacancy on the Livingston
[1:40:26] Planning Commission Mr Wallace
[1:40:28] subsequently submitted a letter of
[1:40:29] resignation on June 19
[1:40:32] 2024 Mr Wallace was serving a term of a
[1:40:36] regular Planning Commission member with
[1:40:38] his term set to expire at the end of
[1:40:40] this year December 31st
[1:40:42] 2024 with a vacancy on the roster of the
[1:40:44] Planning Commission staff recommends
[1:40:46] that an alternate planning commissioner
[1:40:47] be appointed to the Planning Commission
[1:40:50] as a regular member the appointment to
[1:40:53] fill this vacancy will have a new
[1:40:54] four-year term starting on January 1st
[1:40:57] 2025 and ending on December 31st
[1:41:01] 2028 chronologically based on when the
[1:41:04] applications were submitted uh Planning
[1:41:06] Commission alternate Jess Neil is next
[1:41:09] and in line to serve as a regular member
[1:41:11] of the Planning Commission if appointed
[1:41:14] a vacancy for an alternate member of the
[1:41:17] Planning Commission will also be created
[1:41:19] and should be
[1:41:20] filled on May 30th 2024 Mr Diego
[1:41:24] Castillo applied to serve on the lyston
[1:41:26] Planning Commission no other
[1:41:29] applications to serve on the Planning
[1:41:30] Commission have been received
[1:41:32] today staff recommends that the council
[1:41:35] also adopt the resolution to approve
[1:41:37] Diego Castillo to the Planning
[1:41:38] Commission as an alternate member with a
[1:41:41] trim expiring on December 31st 20 27 in
[1:41:45] summary staff recommends that the
[1:41:47] council consider two resolutions the
[1:41:50] first to appoint Jess nil sing to the
[1:41:52] planning commissioner
[1:41:53] as a regular member with his term ending
[1:41:55] on December 31st
[1:41:59] 2028 and secondly to appoint Mr Deo
[1:42:01] Castillo to the Planning Commission as
[1:42:03] an alternate member with a term expiring
[1:42:05] on December 31st
[1:42:07] 2027 that concludes my report and
[1:42:09] staff's available for
[1:42:12] questions Council are there any
[1:42:16] questions when did do you recall when
[1:42:19] the council approved
[1:42:21] the uh
[1:42:23] allowing outside of the city boundaries
[1:42:27] to be part of the planning
[1:42:29] um I I don't recall the date I know it's
[1:42:32] in our ordinance on our Municipal Code
[1:42:35] that allows Mr Diego casil lives outside
[1:42:38] of the city limits but he is within the
[1:42:40] uh Livingston School District boundary
[1:42:43] and there's provisions of the city
[1:42:44] ordinance that allows a member to be
[1:42:46] appointed that if they're not in the
[1:42:48] city as long as they're inside the the
[1:42:50] School attendance boundary do I know the
[1:42:52] date I I don't know off hand I'm
[1:42:54] sorry I want to say it's racing maybe
[1:42:57] like about two or three years ago but
[1:42:59] I'd have to confirm now is it more than
[1:43:01] that I'm sorry I don't
[1:43:13] know at this time I will go out for
[1:43:16] public comment is there any uh citizen
[1:43:18] comments on the phone in regards to this
[1:43:20] item anyone on the phone
[1:43:25] hearing none bringing it back to the
[1:43:26] chamber any citizen comments in the
[1:43:29] chamber seeing none uh bringing it back
[1:43:31] to ad at
[1:43:34] 838 Mr Mayor I'd like
[1:43:38] to Mr sing
[1:43:41] and positions were
[1:43:45] mentioned I will second
[1:43:47] that uh we have a motion on the floor by
[1:43:50] Mr Wallace and mayor PM Samra uh roll
[1:43:53] call please roll call council member
[1:43:56] Wallace yes council member
[1:44:05] SoDo at this moment
[1:44:08] no mayor PM Samra yes mayor Moran yes
[1:44:13] motion passes by a vote of 31 next we
[1:44:16] have item
[1:44:18] 41 consideration of a resolution
[1:44:21] authorizing repayment of the state
[1:44:23] California Senate Bill sb2 planning
[1:44:26] grants program contract number 1 19-
[1:44:31] pgp1
[1:44:33] 13591 Grant back to the state of
[1:44:35] California Department of Housing and
[1:44:37] Community Development staff
[1:44:39] recommendation approved
[1:44:45] resolution Miguel GA once again um here
[1:44:48] to present this item a little background
[1:44:51] uh on March 28
[1:44:53] 2019 State of California Department of
[1:44:56] Housing and Community Development
[1:44:57] otherwise known as hcd issued a notice
[1:45:00] of funding availability for Senate Bill
[1:45:02] s SP2 planning grants program it's it
[1:45:05] was a non-competitive planning grant
[1:45:08] program the program provides a one-time
[1:45:11] funding for technical assistance to
[1:45:12] local governments to help streamline
[1:45:14] housing approvals and to accelerate
[1:45:16] housing
[1:45:17] production on November 5th 2019 the city
[1:45:21] council authorized application
[1:45:23] to this program in the amount of
[1:45:27] $160,000 on March 11th
[1:45:31] 2020 the grant contract was executed a
[1:45:35] total of $160,000 was awarded per hcd
[1:45:39] contract number 19-
[1:45:42] pgp 1359 with the contract expiration
[1:45:45] date of December
[1:45:47] 31st
[1:45:49] 2022 on March 21st 2021
[1:45:53] the city executed a mou
[1:45:57] with J Livingston um ranches limited
[1:46:02] liability Corporation to develop a
[1:46:05] residential mixed use community on
[1:46:07] approximately 35 Acre infill Site
[1:46:10] through the processing of a specific
[1:46:11] plan a general plan Amendment and
[1:46:14] Associated environmental
[1:46:16] assessment um however it was discovered
[1:46:18] that the mou did not meet the state
[1:46:20] procurement
[1:46:21] requirements moreover the grant award
[1:46:23] only funded a portion of the overall
[1:46:26] project the overall entitlement process
[1:46:28] would require additional
[1:46:30] funding in November
[1:46:32] 2022 excuse me November uh
[1:46:35] 2021 the initial draft Livingston
[1:46:38] commment specific plan was submitted to
[1:46:39] the city to commence the enement process
[1:46:42] March of the following year uh City
[1:46:45] provided comments to the applicant and
[1:46:48] those were relay um both to the
[1:46:50] applicant and the applicant's agent
[1:46:53] um during this time the applicant
[1:46:55] requested reimbursement for the
[1:46:56] applicants cost that have been incurred
[1:46:58] to prepare the
[1:47:00] plan subsequently the city received two
[1:47:03] reimbursements from AC CD totaling
[1:47:06] $154,700 with 67 cents which were U
[1:47:10] relate to the applicant for their
[1:47:12] cost unfortunately with the retirement
[1:47:15] of the applicant's project manager no
[1:47:17] further progress has been made on the
[1:47:18] specific plan to date at this point the
[1:47:21] city is out of compliance
[1:47:23] with both the timing and procurement
[1:47:25] requirements of hd's planning grant
[1:47:27] program the state is now requesting that
[1:47:30] the grant dispersements totally
[1:47:35] $4,795 plus ACR interest be repay to the
[1:47:40] state by the end of this
[1:47:42] month in conclusion staff recommends
[1:47:44] that the city council adopt a resolution
[1:47:45] ordering two actions number one ordering
[1:47:49] the city
[1:47:50] manager um who who is authorized and
[1:47:53] directed to reimburse the state of
[1:47:55] California Department Housing and
[1:47:56] Community Development uh the amount of
[1:47:59] 154,50 n67 cents plus cost
[1:48:02] reimbursements for
[1:48:04] um uh any interest that's applicable for
[1:48:08] the preparation of the draft
[1:48:11] uh specific plan and two approve a
[1:48:14] supplemental appropriation from the
[1:48:16] general fund Reserve to cover this
[1:48:18] cost uh that concludes my presentation
[1:48:21] staffs available for comments or
[1:48:24] questions Council are there any comments
[1:48:27] questions at this
[1:48:29] time before I go out for public
[1:48:31] [Music]
[1:48:36] comment so I I I do have a couple of
[1:48:39] questions um Miguel
[1:48:43] so well first of all and I think you
[1:48:45] already explained it but just
[1:48:47] for
[1:48:51] clarification in the reports says that
[1:48:54] uh this whole
[1:48:57] work was there was a number used 300
[1:49:00] like around 360,000 or so I I I mean
[1:49:03] without have 350,000 360,000
[1:49:09] but 365 somewhere around there uh but
[1:49:12] only 160 was requested even though we
[1:49:15] knew that we were we were about 200,000
[1:49:18] and a few thousand other thousand
[1:49:20] dollars short
[1:49:23] but that it was also said that we will
[1:49:27] figure it out and in the future we'll
[1:49:29] look for additional grants right um and
[1:49:33] then also part of the requirements for
[1:49:36] this grant was that
[1:49:41] um any third-party contracts would
[1:49:46] be or or subc subcontracts would be
[1:49:50] through the process or or of an RFP
[1:49:53] process which was not done correct yes
[1:49:56] oh that's correct and so this
[1:49:59] subcontractor that did all this work for
[1:50:02] which the
[1:50:04] $160,000 was
[1:50:06] used was not a subcontract through the
[1:50:09] city but rather
[1:50:12] through uh the applicant yes the the
[1:50:15] applicant which
[1:50:16] is yeah but the uh actual name is Gall
[1:50:21] Gallow right Gallow
[1:50:24] Ranch uh the owner of the of that
[1:50:26] property and so what we did or what the
[1:50:29] city did at that time was the city
[1:50:32] applied for a
[1:50:34] grant to give it to a private
[1:50:36] developer for those costs and then
[1:50:40] instead of having the
[1:50:42] city go through an RFP process to
[1:50:45] subcontract the the service
[1:50:48] provider that was a service provider
[1:50:50] contracted by Gallow Ranch not the city
[1:50:55] which already that broke the agreement
[1:50:57] with the with the state in the first
[1:50:59] place that's correct the the contract
[1:51:02] was not properly set up um to meet the
[1:51:05] state requirements so yes you're correct
[1:51:08] and then the initial agreement was that
[1:51:10] all of that work was going to be
[1:51:12] completed by
[1:51:14] 20 20 initially it would be completed by
[1:51:18] December 31st 2022 there was a one-year
[1:51:20] extension but nothing has been completed
[1:51:23] today because uh also on the report it's
[1:51:27] it it's it's included that some some
[1:51:30] questions were still asked back to to
[1:51:33] Gallow but Gallow never responded to the
[1:51:35] city so automatically that worked that's the last that's where it stands
[1:51:42] right now right yes correct staff
[1:51:44] provided comments on the specific plan
[1:51:47] um and those comments have not been
[1:51:48] addressed by the applicant to date and
[1:51:51] so now because the ground was
[1:51:54] applied by the city so now the city is
[1:51:56] responsible for those 160 thou or almost
[1:51:59] $160,000 even though that that money was
[1:52:02] already refunded to Gallow for the the
[1:52:06] work that they paid to their
[1:52:08] subcontractor correct correct
[1:52:18] okay is there any documentation that
[1:52:22] says
[1:52:23] where the other extra
[1:52:25] $200,000 were hoping to come from to
[1:52:29] cover the whole cost that was figure out
[1:52:30] at that time and then my other question
[1:52:32] is going to be based on your
[1:52:35] professional experience were that amount
[1:52:38] of $360,000 would would that have been
[1:52:41] enough to cover all of the work that
[1:52:43] needed to be done that was said it was
[1:52:46] going to be
[1:52:47] done um responding to your first
[1:52:50] question in the mlu between the city and
[1:52:53] Joseph V gallow the mou commented that
[1:52:56] the city would pursue additional funding
[1:52:58] to um bring to bar to develop the
[1:53:02] specific plan so there was an
[1:53:04] understanding the city would pursue
[1:53:05] funding there's no guarantee that it
[1:53:07] would be successful respond to your
[1:53:10] second question yes there was a budget
[1:53:12] of I think
[1:53:13] $365,000 to do the whole work in my
[1:53:16] professional opinion in today's market
[1:53:18] that is wul uh
[1:53:20] under um
[1:53:23] and this is just to do the entitlement
[1:53:25] work you know beyond that you actually
[1:53:27] have to do engineering work to prepare
[1:53:29] Improvement plans and to do the actual
[1:53:31] construction and I suspect the applant
[1:53:33] would be looking for the city to pursue
[1:53:35] additional funding sources for that um
[1:53:38] so yes at at this point U the specific
[1:53:43] plan remains incomplete funds have been
[1:53:45] spent and the state is now requesting
[1:53:48] their funding back because we were not
[1:53:50] able to meet the terms of our contract
[1:53:52] agreement
[1:53:53] and then since engineering and you're
[1:53:55] here and then I don't know cuz you know
[1:53:56] I don't know how much of that
[1:53:57] information you're going to have for
[1:53:59] this next question do we have a uh a
[1:54:02] figure more or less probably it's not
[1:54:04] specific but more or less how much was
[1:54:07] that spent on our on our end as a City
[1:54:10] Planning and Engineering on this project
[1:54:12] if
[1:54:13] any um I don't have an exact figure a
[1:54:16] ballpark figure you know one is the cost
[1:54:20] that the applicant incurred for hiring
[1:54:22] their consultant and we reimburse
[1:54:24] $150,000 I don't know there was
[1:54:26] additional cost there and there was cost
[1:54:28] associated with City staff review that's
[1:54:30] the engineering review planning review
[1:54:32] and I would say maybe between $4 and
[1:54:36] $50,000 for the city's cost to review
[1:54:39] that the
[1:54:41] document so once depending on what the
[1:54:46] this Council decides to do so it be
[1:54:48] roughly if we end up paying it back and
[1:54:50] we decide to pay it back to the state
[1:54:52] would be roughly about 160 plus 40
[1:54:54] $50,000 roughly about $200
[1:54:57] $210,000 cost that the city would have
[1:55:00] incurred for
[1:55:04] this project yeah the city would only be
[1:55:07] responsible for reimbursing the state
[1:55:08] for the cost that the the state just um
[1:55:12] reimburse the the applicant the cost
[1:55:15] incurred by City staff or City
[1:55:17] Contractor staff um that would not be
[1:55:19] reimbursed by the state that's something
[1:55:21] that would um
[1:55:24] would be I should say invite the city if
[1:55:26] you will yeah no I understand that I
[1:55:29] just wanted it to kind of have like a
[1:55:30] real you know ballpark idea what the
[1:55:34] whole item what going to cause the city
[1:55:37] I do have another question but I I have
[1:55:39] to look for the information and because
[1:55:41] in thatou it also includes language that
[1:55:45] says that uh that the city would be
[1:55:48] covering all the costs for any anything
[1:55:50] being done on our end and I understand
[1:55:52] that that was already included but I'm
[1:55:54] not sure if that was a good thing to
[1:55:55] have in there because we're we're we're
[1:55:57] saying we're just giving away money to a private developer for from the
[1:56:02] residents to somebody else that they're
[1:56:04] going to you know but anyways uh councel
[1:56:09] any questions so at this time I'm going
[1:56:11] to go out for public comment is there
[1:56:13] any uh citizen comments on the phone in
[1:56:15] regards to this
[1:56:17] item 851 here and now coming back to the
[1:56:21] chamber any citizen comments in the
[1:56:27] chamber if you can please stay your name
[1:56:29] for the
[1:56:31] record je uh just based on conversation
[1:56:34] I was had right now in reading of the
[1:56:35] staff report seems very trying to think
[1:56:38] of a nice way to say it illogical to
[1:56:41] have requested $200,000 less and
[1:56:44] obviously now we have to pay out of fund
[1:56:46] is
[1:56:47] there it seems like we kind of just
[1:56:49] threw money away here and I don't know
[1:56:51] if any of you were on Council when this
[1:56:53] was voted through obviously uh Mr Lopez
[1:56:55] I know you weren't the city manager at
[1:56:56] the time either but is there no le uh
[1:56:59] maybe Mr to question to you is there no
[1:57:01] legal safeguard for that like in the
[1:57:05] sense of going through with the project
[1:57:07] approving it but not actually
[1:57:09] identifying any funding sources for
[1:57:13] it what I'll say is I haven't gone
[1:57:15] through theou so as of right now I don't
[1:57:18] know if there could potentially be a
[1:57:20] claim asserted by the city
[1:57:22] uh against the applicant uh related to
[1:57:25] the loss
[1:57:27] incurred uh but I have reviewed the
[1:57:30] grant portion and and the request from
[1:57:34] hcd and um unfortunately based on the
[1:57:38] grant
[1:57:39] terms uh there's really not much the
[1:57:41] city can do with regard to repayment of
[1:57:44] that of those funds okay all right thank
[1:57:50] you any comments in the chamber in
[1:57:53] regards to this
[1:57:56] item see now bringing it back to the Das
[1:57:59] at
[1:58:02] 853 Council any
[1:58:09] questions I just think it's really
[1:58:12] unfortunate that this item was brought
[1:58:15] to council and I was on this council at
[1:58:17] the time that this was approved um when
[1:58:21] you paint a pretty picture from some
[1:58:23] projects that come into the City and how
[1:58:25] it would benefit the city as a whole um
[1:58:28] and not
[1:58:31] truly getting all the information up
[1:58:34] front on how that how the funds would be
[1:58:39] generated it's it's quite
[1:58:42] deceiving so again we've we've heard
[1:58:45] many stories and I think U May Moran
[1:58:49] has
[1:58:51] without saying it this was uh
[1:58:54] quite
[1:58:56] deceiving on how the the
[1:58:59] funds were supposed to be so again the
[1:59:02] language that's put into some of Theseus
[1:59:05] should a Coulda would a goes in there
[1:59:09] unless you really nail it down to will
[1:59:12] happen it may not so seeing that some of
[1:59:16] the funds
[1:59:18] were for lack of a better
[1:59:20] term just given a way it's it's a
[1:59:26] shame that a city manager would
[1:59:31] have put some things forward this way
[1:59:35] and it has continued in some other
[1:59:37] aspects through uh the grant process
[1:59:40] where funds may look like they are
[1:59:44] available and that we would try our
[1:59:46] hardest but again city of Livingston
[1:59:48] didn't didn't have the per the expertise
[1:59:51] of a grant writer
[1:59:52] but for someone to make promises that
[1:59:54] they could find sources where this money
[1:59:58] would come
[1:59:59] from we're at a
[2:00:02] loss and it's unfortunate for the city
[2:00:05] of
[2:00:06] Livingston and I did vote Yes on this
[2:00:09] project because it was at the
[2:00:11] time the information that we were
[2:00:13] provided with not knowing that it would
[2:00:17] come to this in the end and so if you
[2:00:21] look at the whole
[2:00:22] picture and put things together you may
[2:00:27] realize some things
[2:00:29] are not what they're meant to
[2:00:32] be and we're paying for
[2:00:41] it councel any other questions
[2:00:46] comments
[2:00:49] motions at this time I don't think we
[2:00:52] have a whole lot of choices soit the
[2:00:54] motion to adopt the resolution
[2:00:57] authorizing repayment to the state of
[2:00:59] California Senate Bill sb2 planning
[2:01:01] Grant programs contract number 19 pgp
[2:01:06] 13591 uh Grant back to State of
[2:01:08] California Department Housing and
[2:01:10] Community
[2:01:12] Development is there a
[2:01:14] second a motion on the floor is there a
[2:01:19] second I'll second it we really don't
[2:01:21] have a
[2:01:24] choice so we have a motion on the floor
[2:01:27] by mayor proam second by council member
[2:01:30] Soto roll call please roll call council
[2:01:33] member Wallace yes council member Soto
[2:01:36] yes mayor PM Sam yes mayor modan yes
[2:01:43] motion passes by a vote of 4
[2:01:46] z um actually just one last question I
[2:01:49] mean I I I know it's on the report but
[2:01:51] probably for people that didn't read the
[2:01:53] 550 pages in this report uh where is
[2:01:56] this money coming
[2:01:58] from uh P general fund reserves
[2:02:01] mayor like I said I know that but you
[2:02:04] know just so we all know all right thank
[2:02:07] you so next we have
[2:02:12] um item
[2:02:14] 44 um discussion and Direction regarding
[2:02:18] recognition of Lupe and Aurora Garcia I
[2:02:20] know that uh this this item was
[2:02:22] requested by uh council member uh so um
[2:02:27] Jason rod and uh I did ask him if he had
[2:02:31] to leave right after our close session
[2:02:33] because he wasn't feeling too well I
[2:02:35] hope he's feeling better um
[2:02:38] but I don't know if anybody has any
[2:02:41] information in regards
[2:02:42] to the discussion in Direction moving
[2:02:45] forward I know that that the majority of
[2:02:47] the council was in favor
[2:02:48] of something but what does something
[2:02:52] is as far
[2:02:56] as I don't
[2:02:58] know uh go ahead uh thank you mayor uh
[2:03:02] this was something that council member
[2:03:03] Roth had asked for I went through my
[2:03:05] text messages I know that council member
[2:03:07] Roth has met with the family and he has
[2:03:10] uh provided a narrative that talks about
[2:03:13] the family the husband and the wife and
[2:03:16] then he requested the family requested
[2:03:18] that a picture be included on the plaque
[2:03:20] that's all the information that I know I
[2:03:22] don't know the location I don't know any
[2:03:24] of those other details but that is what
[2:03:26] I have in a text message from uh
[2:03:28] September from council member Roth
[2:03:30] mayor Mr Mayor yes go ahead uh I know
[2:03:35] this is Mr uh R's uh project along with
[2:03:40] you have we decided where to put the
[2:03:42] plaque or if that we're going to do the
[2:03:44] plaque I mean I wish Mr wat was here
[2:03:46] unfortunately he's May Mr chavaria is
[2:03:50] coming he must know something
[2:03:55] Anthony yeah good evening Council
[2:03:58] Anthony Chia Public Works um there was a
[2:04:01] location
[2:04:02] identified uh at Memorial Park uh next
[2:04:05] to the between the uh uh the stage at
[2:04:09] Memorial Park and the Main Street
[2:04:11] sidewalk
[2:04:13] um a plaque was identified with a
[2:04:16] picture uh and uh as well as a a tree uh
[2:04:21] to Memorial oriz uh the uh the area a
[2:04:25] tree would be planted um The Next Step
[2:04:28] would be to one purchase a tree and uh
[2:04:32] set a a planning um I don't know Mr
[2:04:36] Roth and uh wants to have a
[2:04:40] presentation um for the timing of
[2:04:43] this that might want to discuss that as
[2:04:46] well you know I would recommend a spring
[2:04:49] type of uh presentation for weather's a
[2:04:52] little bit better trees are
[2:04:57] blooming okay uh I think it's it is a
[2:05:01] good idea Mr Garcia we all know uh lupy
[2:05:04] and everybody knows knows them and I
[2:05:07] think it is a fitting tribute to our
[2:05:10] former
[2:05:12] mayor and his family of course
[2:05:22] Council any other
[2:05:26] questions
[2:05:28] so the direction what I'm hearing is
[2:05:32] that would be to yes go ahead and move
[2:05:35] forward with that uh but do do we know
[2:05:38] like so you mentioned that he kind of
[2:05:41] looked at a plaque he
[2:05:44] um yeah Tony was working on it and I
[2:05:47] know that they've identified a um a
[2:05:50] plaque with the with the picture that
[2:05:52] could be uh um encased in concrete and
[2:05:55] uh um formed on the uh the ground in
[2:05:58] front of the tree um would plant a tree
[2:06:01] in that area as well there's not a tree
[2:06:03] existing in that area um so it's a good
[2:06:07] location so identified pretty much the
[2:06:10] uh the plaque and the uh the area where
[2:06:12] it would be planted but the next step
[2:06:15] would be timing when uh we want to uh
[2:06:18] move forward with this okay uh Mr Mr
[2:06:21] Lopez uh mayor and Council if uh the
[2:06:24] council's okay with the preliminary
[2:06:26] concept what we can do is uh get a
[2:06:28] mockup of what the plaque would look
[2:06:31] like get an example of the tree the
[2:06:34] location and mock it up and then bring
[2:06:35] it forward to council to get the final
[2:06:37] approval from the council if the council
[2:06:38] directs that
[2:06:41] mayor that's
[2:06:43] um that's that's what I was thinking and
[2:06:46] then you know mentioning that something
[2:06:49] like this would probably be WEA
[2:06:52] when weather will be be best or better
[2:06:55] you know around April or so and then
[2:06:56] that gives us a little time so I'm I'm okay with
[2:06:59] that uh
[2:07:03] Council I'm okay with that all
[2:07:07] right okay there you go all right so
[2:07:11] with for the next two items we're going
[2:07:13] to uh Mr Samra has requested to yes I
[2:07:18] just once again I want to state that a a conflict one is a distance to my house
[2:07:25] and the other is I do work for mcoa just
[2:07:28] want to make sure everything's up and up
[2:07:30] thank you very much Mr Mayor and I'll
[2:07:33] have a good meeting rest of it
[2:08:17] next we have item number 42 discussion
[2:08:20] and direction regarding the uh
[2:08:22] DW srf uh 27 million funding agreement
[2:08:27] for emerging contaminants uh Mr uh
[2:08:31] chavaria chavaria good evening Council
[2:08:34] me
[2:08:34] again this is a discussion in Direction
[2:08:37] item you have before you staff is
[2:08:40] requesting that the mayor and Council
[2:08:41] provide direction to staff regarding the
[2:08:43] dwsrf funding
[2:08:45] opportunity I just summarize this in a
[2:08:48] PowerPoint so it's a little easier to
[2:08:49] follow
[2:09:02] little background of the project in
[2:09:05] 2018 uh the city applied for State srf
[2:09:08] funding for implementing TCP projects
[2:09:11] and Wells 18 and 19 in the amount of 42
[2:09:15] million the state's recent decis
[2:09:17] decision was to reduce the funding
[2:09:19] amount from 42 million to 27 million by
[2:09:22] removing the funding for new wells 18
[2:09:23] and
[2:09:24] 19 which was shared at the September 3rd
[2:09:27] council
[2:09:28] meeting on September 3rd 2024 the
[2:09:32] council approved water Enterprise funds
[2:09:34] state funds and arper funds to be used
[2:09:36] for installing an RC treatment facility
[2:09:38] at well 8A and constructing the new well
[2:09:41] 18 improvements to augment the city's
[2:09:43] water
[2:09:47] supply better
[2:10:09] on October 30th 2024 the the state water
[2:10:12] board communicated the
[2:10:14] following available funds both amount
[2:10:17] funding and sources have changed funding
[2:10:20] for construction of the AR Keelan
[2:10:22] Park centralized treatment facility and
[2:10:25] well number eight centralized treatment
[2:10:27] facility can be funded right now through
[2:10:30] dwsrf emerging contaminant
[2:10:33] funding they also shared any potential
[2:10:35] funding for the construction of Wells
[2:10:37] number 18 and 19 would need to be
[2:10:40] provided through General drinking water
[2:10:42] funding which is overcommitted for this
[2:10:44] fiscal
[2:10:45] year there is currently 208 million of
[2:10:48] EC emerging contaminant funding
[2:10:50] available
[2:10:52] and there's over 725 million requested
[2:10:55] in current funding
[2:10:56] applications some of these applications
[2:10:58] are still incomplete and are processing
[2:11:01] applications on a Readiness to proceed
[2:11:04] basis uh just to ref familiarize uh
[2:11:07] Council on the public again the
[2:11:09] centralized treatment facility at Aran
[2:11:12] will consist of a new GAC vessels to
[2:11:16] remove the
[2:11:18] TCP a booster Pump Station
[2:11:22] and a 1.5 uh million gallon partially
[2:11:26] buried storage tank as well at uh at
[2:11:31] well number eight that current site
[2:11:34] would be
[2:11:35] expanded um adding more uh trains more
[2:11:39] GAC vessels there as well as U building
[2:11:43] a uh um a booster Pump Station as well
[2:11:47] and a 1 million gallon storage tank
[2:11:49] would be built there
[2:11:57] possible actions as the council may
[2:11:59] take number one accept the state's
[2:12:01] reduced emergent contaminant funding
[2:12:03] agreement of 27 million to complete the
[2:12:06] two centralized TCP treatment facilities
[2:12:08] and direct staff to submit a the wsrf
[2:12:11] funding applications for well
[2:12:14] 19 two direct staff to pause acceptance
[2:12:17] of the 27 million funding agreement
[2:12:18] until lobbing efforts have been
[2:12:20] completed
[2:12:22] uh there's currently 208 million of EC
[2:12:24] funding available and over 725 million
[2:12:26] requested in current funding
[2:12:29] applications delaying acceptance poses
[2:12:31] the risk of missing out on the current
[2:12:33] funding opportunity which could lead to
[2:12:35] delays in Project timelines and
[2:12:36] potential cost
[2:12:38] increases uh number three other Council
[2:12:43] direction that concludes this power
[2:12:46] point
[2:12:53] uh thank you Anthony great presentation
[2:12:55] um I wanted to provide a little bit more
[2:12:57] information on this as well um knowing
[2:13:00] that this was coming there was an
[2:13:02] attachment in the staff report that
[2:13:04] included the update I believe it was
[2:13:05] from September we had a feeling that the
[2:13:08] state was going in this direction
[2:13:11] luckily because of the information that
[2:13:13] the council had received the council did
[2:13:15] move forward on allocating funding for
[2:13:17] well 18 for the city of Livingston using
[2:13:20] its own funding uh so really we're
[2:13:23] talking about well 19 and foregoing that
[2:13:25] with this application with that being
[2:13:28] said I really want to thank uh the
[2:13:29] members of the council particularly
[2:13:31] mayor Moran for coordinating discussions
[2:13:34] with uh assembly member soria's office
[2:13:38] um given the information now that's been
[2:13:40] delivered by the state it does appear
[2:13:42] that they are sure of funding and so I
[2:13:45] believe if the council decides to uh
[2:13:48] accept the 27 million the work will
[2:13:51] continue on with esmeel D's office and
[2:13:54] seeing uh what she could do to Lobby on
[2:13:57] behalf of the city of Livingston to make
[2:13:59] sure that the city does receive the
[2:14:00] funding for well 19 so even if the
[2:14:03] council decides to accept the $27
[2:14:06] million um the efforts will continue to
[2:14:08] move forward with uh mayor Moran to make
[2:14:11] sure that the city is a is in a position
[2:14:14] to Lobby our Representatives ensure that
[2:14:16] we have every opportunity to receive
[2:14:18] that funding so that's really what we're
[2:14:19] talking about here given the statements
[2:14:21] from the state it does appear that there
[2:14:23] are a number of other cities that are
[2:14:25] requesting this funding as well um so
[2:14:28] you know on one hand we can continue
[2:14:29] those off uh those lobbying efforts and
[2:14:33] wait but then that the risk that the
[2:14:35] council uh has is that the state will
[2:14:37] turn around and give that 27 million to
[2:14:39] another agency so that's really what
[2:14:41] we're talking about here either way the
[2:14:42] city will continue lobbying for those
[2:14:44] efforts to make sure that uh the city of
[2:14:46] Livingston does have funding for well 19
[2:14:48] thank you mayor
[2:14:51] thank you uh thank you Mr Lopez thank
[2:14:53] you Anthony um
[2:14:56] so uh Council any questions
[2:15:00] comments personally I think this is you
[2:15:03] know
[2:15:06] um we already have 27 million that we
[2:15:11] could
[2:15:12] potentially get for the city and I think
[2:15:15] it would be a good idea to just uh move
[2:15:16] forward work with with this amount you
[2:15:19] know uh and then continue
[2:15:22] working uh for the other1 15
[2:15:26] million um
[2:15:29] and and then again not knowing even even
[2:15:32] right now not knowing that once we say
[2:15:35] okay hopefully other cities I'm sure
[2:15:37] other cities are in the same situation
[2:15:39] that we're in uh so I would make a
[2:15:42] recommendation to to uh go ahead and
[2:15:45] move forward with the uh accepting the
[2:15:48] $27 million so that the the uh office
[2:15:52] can continue with the paperwork that
[2:15:54] needs to be done and and hopefully you
[2:15:56] know
[2:15:57] um we'll find other ways to
[2:16:01] uh find more money to con
[2:16:06] to uh complete this
[2:16:08] project Council uh Mr Wallace I'd second
[2:16:12] that motion I'm afraid if we don't take
[2:16:14] the 27 million now it could get reduced
[2:16:17] again I'd much rather have it committed
[2:16:20] and we have it I don't think it it's a
[2:16:23] gamble the waight it's just tricky I'd
[2:16:25] rather have that money in hand so I
[2:16:28] would second your motion for item number
[2:16:30] one to be
[2:16:31] approved okay well I'll make it a motion
[2:16:34] but I want to go out for public comment
[2:16:35] first uh um is there any public comment
[2:16:38] in regards to this item 9912 uh anyone
[2:16:41] on the
[2:16:43] phone hearing none coming back to the
[2:16:46] chamber anyone in the chamber public
[2:16:47] comment regards to this item
[2:16:51] seeing none bringing it back at
[2:16:53] 9912 so um I will go ahead and make a
[2:16:56] motion at this time and uh Mr Wallace if
[2:16:59] you can go ahead and make that
[2:17:00] second that motion for a second
[2:17:04] now so we have a motion by mayor Moran a
[2:17:08] second by council member U Wallace BR
[2:17:12] call please I just want to confirm that
[2:17:15] your motion is for item one okay yes yes
[2:17:22] roll call council member Wallace yes
[2:17:25] council member
[2:17:27] Soto yes mayor Moran yes motion passes
[2:17:31] by a vote of three
[2:17:33] zero mayor and Council just so you know
[2:17:36] what you should expect is a funding
[2:17:38] agreement to be brought forward in the
[2:17:39] future um and that will formally accept
[2:17:43] the 27 million from the state so just be
[2:17:45] on the lookout for that in the near term
[2:17:47] can you bring that back
[2:17:49] tomorrow all right all right okay uh
[2:17:52] next we have item
[2:17:54] number
[2:17:56] 43 uh discussion and Direction regarding
[2:17:59] potential water system consolidation
[2:18:01] between the city of Livingston and Floyd
[2:18:03] a Shelby Elementary
[2:18:06] School Anthony yeah that's see me again
[2:18:15] Council and this is a uh another
[2:18:17] discussion and Direction item regarding
[2:18:19] a potential water system some
[2:18:21] consolidation between the city of
[2:18:22] Livingston and Floyd a Shelby Elementary
[2:18:25] School I I do want to point out that we
[2:18:28] do have a couple of Representatives one
[2:18:31] from self-help Enterprises and uh one
[2:18:34] from mered County Office of
[2:18:38] Education I did summarize this uh staff
[2:18:42] report in a PowerPoint as well
[2:18:52] little bit of background about the Floyd
[2:18:54] a Shelby elementary school they're
[2:18:57] located outside of the city limits with
[2:18:59] about a student population of
[2:19:03] 130 uh relies on private Wells for
[2:19:05] drinking water landscape
[2:19:08] irrigation they are out of
[2:19:11] compliance for 123 TCP maximum
[2:19:14] contaminant level they're seeking ways
[2:19:16] to mitigate water requirements through a
[2:19:19] water system consolidation with the city
[2:19:22] uh self-help Enterprises has indicated
[2:19:24] the state water board would participate
[2:19:26] in uh construction of a new
[2:19:28] well state water board would uh complete
[2:19:32] the water infrastructure for connecting
[2:19:34] the school to the city as well the
[2:19:36] conveyance
[2:19:39] infrastructure more background on the
[2:19:41] city uh currently it's it's been
[2:19:44] challenging to meet the water demands
[2:19:45] during the summer months uh we are in
[2:19:48] need of new wells to keep the water
[2:19:49] system fully
[2:19:51] functional all of the existing City
[2:19:53] Wells produce raw water that exceed the
[2:19:56] 123
[2:19:58] tcpm currently implementing Citywide 123
[2:20:00] TCP
[2:20:02] projects recently authorized the
[2:20:04] construction of a new well well 18 uh to
[2:20:07] help help offset the increased water
[2:20:10] demands to accommodate unexpected water
[2:20:12] demands from the Shelby Elementary
[2:20:13] School the city would need to construct
[2:20:15] a new water well which would most likely
[2:20:18] include treatment facilities such as is
[2:20:20] arsenic and 123
[2:20:23] TCP City staff has identified the cost
[2:20:25] for drilling new wells um that would
[2:20:29] need treatment and that's approximately
[2:20:31] 13
[2:20:36] million the benefits and and
[2:20:38] disadvantage of a consolidation
[2:20:39] agreement the benefits are a new water
[2:20:42] source which we all know is going to be
[2:20:43] increased water supply for the city
[2:20:46] added system reliability State funding
[2:20:49] contribution
[2:20:51] and disadvantage would be increased onm
[2:20:53] cost and out of boundary service
[2:20:59] connection possible actions that the
[2:21:01] council may take this evening one would
[2:21:05] uh would the council like to direct
[2:21:06] staff to enter into discussions with
[2:21:08] Shelby school and self-help Enterprises
[2:21:10] to obtain additional details on what a
[2:21:13] consolidation agreement would in tell um
[2:21:15] there would be costs associated with his
[2:21:17] discussions to review documents and
[2:21:19] staff time to 10
[2:21:21] meetings two for the council like to
[2:21:24] direct staff to contact the Shelby
[2:21:25] school once the city of Livingston water
[2:21:27] supply issues have been addressed and
[2:21:30] number three other Council
[2:21:34] direction that concludes the uh Power
[2:21:38] Point so
[2:21:43] um couple of questions and and and then
[2:21:46] also just for clarification I think some
[2:21:48] of the language is already there in the
[2:21:49] presentation and in the uh report but I
[2:21:52] just like to make sure that that is
[2:21:56] clarified uh so I did the cost would be
[2:22:00] roughly about $13 million and it would
[2:22:05] be covered by the state correct well
[2:22:09] those are all um estimates would have to
[2:22:11] be estimates is 13 million we know is if
[2:22:14] there's arsonic that needs to be treated
[2:22:16] TCP um but uh as far as uh
[2:22:21] what's covered I mean those details
[2:22:22] would have to be discussed in more
[2:22:26] detail with the the state and okay
[2:22:29] self-help and because then there's also
[2:22:32] that cost not just the well part of it
[2:22:34] and then the filtration system depending
[2:22:37] on what kind of chemicals need to be
[2:22:40] cleaned up there uh but also the
[2:22:42] connecting part of it there there's a
[2:22:45] cost that has to be incurred to connect
[2:22:47] from the
[2:22:48] city to to the school what it that cost
[2:22:53] do we know or still part of those
[2:22:55] conversations that need to that you're
[2:22:56] talking about yeah that would have to be
[2:22:59] uh um discussed and and we could look a
[2:23:01] little further and if that's what
[2:23:03] council would like to give direction on
[2:23:05] but uh um self-help is here and they may
[2:23:08] have some of that information if if you
[2:23:10] would like a self-help uh to to come
[2:23:13] forward and answer any questions that
[2:23:15] Council may have because then my other
[2:23:18] question but then again I think you
[2:23:19] already answered but
[2:23:21] was you know uh depending on how much
[2:23:23] water is produced
[2:23:25] there uh and if the school uses I don't
[2:23:28] know
[2:23:30] 20% you know do does the city have to
[2:23:32] pay the
[2:23:34] other so if the cost let's just use $10
[2:23:37] million and school is going to use only
[2:23:40] 20% Then does the city have to consider
[2:23:44] that because the city is going to use
[2:23:45] the other 80% does the city have to pay
[2:23:48] 80% of the cost yeah those are great questions but a little uh
[2:23:53] preliminary to to really answer that
[2:23:55] right now we would have to have further
[2:23:56] discussions is there okay go ahead hi my
[2:24:01] name is f conell with selfhelp
[2:24:02] Enterprises uh my team is the one
[2:24:05] providing the technical assistance
[2:24:06] through the state water board funding
[2:24:08] under the safer program and so some of
[2:24:10] these questions you guys asked any
[2:24:12] project cost that city of Livingston
[2:24:14] would incur uh for the planning of this
[2:24:16] particular project is reimbursable so
[2:24:18] any cost you guys incur doing actual
[2:24:20] work as the planning project be
[2:24:22] reimbursable uh with the construction
[2:24:24] application any cost that you guys would
[2:24:26] uh incur like as an a well or
[2:24:28] construction cost to provide water to
[2:24:31] the Shelby school will also be covered
[2:24:33] by the grant funding now the question
[2:24:35] you asked regarding uh you know if we
[2:24:37] have a well that produces a certain
[2:24:39] capacity and this school needs certain
[2:24:42] percentage of that not all of it then
[2:24:44] the grant funding would cover the cost
[2:24:45] that would be provided to the school the
[2:24:48] other cost would be uh up to the city
[2:24:50] Livingston however it would be something
[2:24:52] like U low interest loan or zero zero
[2:24:56] interest loan from the state to cover
[2:24:57] the cost of that
[2:24:58] particular uh excess capacity the city
[2:25:01] of Livingston would be using so it would
[2:25:03] definitely cover the cost of the
[2:25:05] construction of the well that covers all
[2:25:07] the school's needs everything else will
[2:25:09] be covered uh by grant funding by the
[2:25:11] state if you guys wanted to go that
[2:25:14] route and so w with that said that Grant
[2:25:18] process coming from the city
[2:25:21] it still has to be does is it going to
[2:25:23] go through the regular or through a
[2:25:25] process where it has to be identified if
[2:25:28] it's if it qualifies or is or do we know
[2:25:31] that that because of the situation that
[2:25:34] it's in it's just pretty
[2:25:37] much yes it's approved just send us the
[2:25:40] paperwork
[2:25:41] and right right now we're in the middle
[2:25:43] of the planning projects with the Shelby
[2:25:45] at this point and so when we get to the
[2:25:47] construction part of this and let's say
[2:25:49] we do consolidate with City of
[2:25:50] Livingston um the funding is would be
[2:25:53] guaranteed it would be grant funding for
[2:25:55] that particular project like I said
[2:25:56] anything over that and that' be
[2:25:57] discussions that we have specifically
[2:25:59] with the state about capacity over what
[2:26:01] is needed through uh Shelby um that
[2:26:04] would be discussed with the state but
[2:26:05] yeah it is a a fully Grant funded
[2:26:07] project because you are consolidating
[2:26:09] with a system that's disadvantaged in a
[2:26:15] school so I guess one of the advantages
[2:26:17] would be that
[2:26:20] this the city would have access to
[2:26:22] additional water mhm yeah definitely and and another you know incentive that
[2:26:28] the state provides for consolidating is
[2:26:32] uh you guys can also uh use your own
[2:26:34] grant funding to cover a project of your
[2:26:37] own that doesn't have anything to do
[2:26:38] with the city the Shelby consolidation
[2:26:40] as well so if there's something else you
[2:26:42] guys are interested in maybe storage or
[2:26:43] something like that nature the state can
[2:26:45] provide grant funding or if you guys
[2:26:47] don't um um meet the requirements for
[2:26:50] grant funding it'll be uh like a zero
[2:26:52] interest loan for any kind of project
[2:26:54] you guys have to do with the state on
[2:26:55] that end as well
[2:26:59] okay Council any other
[2:27:03] questions uh go ahead Mr wall Mr Mayor U
[2:27:08] Anthony going back to the other
[2:27:10] committee fire suppression for the
[2:27:12] Shelby school now that's something
[2:27:16] that's coming up anyway because of their
[2:27:19] water supply now if we hook up with them
[2:27:23] through the school their current well we
[2:27:28] would want to make sure that maintains
[2:27:30] their Landscaping now is that enough if
[2:27:32] they keep that old well that's there now
[2:27:34] would that handle their fire suppression
[2:27:36] although it's a mitigated thing because
[2:27:38] unless there's a fire it's never going
[2:27:39] to go off anyway but I'm just curious
[2:27:41] have that been thought of at the same
[2:27:44] time yeah those are are pretty tough
[2:27:47] questions to answer at this moment right
[2:27:49] now those are all uh
[2:27:52] um um issues that'll need to be
[2:27:54] addressed at the time of uh of if
[2:27:57] Council would like us to communicate
[2:27:58] with them okay council member and mayor
[2:28:01] and Council I think Anthony did a really
[2:28:03] good job of laying out the policy
[2:28:05] implications here and really we didn't
[2:28:08] feel like it was appropriate to allocate
[2:28:10] expenditures of engineering a public
[2:28:13] works staff time for something that the
[2:28:14] council may not see as a priority so we
[2:28:17] know that our priorities have been you
[2:28:19] know well 8A well 18 some of these other
[2:28:22] high priority items obviously when
[2:28:24] everything is a priority nothing becomes
[2:28:26] a priority so we wanted to make sure
[2:28:28] that the council weighed in from the
[2:28:30] council policy level uh perspective on
[2:28:33] whether they wanted us to prioritize
[2:28:35] this item so Anthony's exactly right
[2:28:37] these are all great questions uh council
[2:28:39] member Wallace brought up the mayor
[2:28:41] brought up I know we talked yesterday I
[2:28:43] think it was yesterday about some of
[2:28:44] these items there are a lot more great
[2:28:46] questions too we didn't want to allocate
[2:28:48] so much staff time uh that this became a
[2:28:51] priority without consulting with Council
[2:28:52] first so a lot of these questions we
[2:28:54] don't have the answers to yet because we
[2:28:56] didn't want to get ahead of the council
[2:28:58] without Council formally providing the
[2:29:00] direction to staff so I think Anthony
[2:29:02] did a good job of laying out the policy
[2:29:03] implications
[2:29:10] here so I mean I I think it's a it's a
[2:29:16] great
[2:29:18] project but and then but I'm also kind
[2:29:21] of thinking about all of the other
[2:29:23] projects that we have you know that are
[2:29:25] water related so which one this will be
[2:29:29] another project or would be another
[2:29:31] project to the other water
[2:29:33] projects
[2:29:41] um you know um which one is going to be
[2:29:45] priority number one or number two or
[2:29:47] number three or number 10 so just just something to think to think
[2:29:52] about you wanted to add something else
[2:29:55] if I could just address that one uh item
[2:29:58] you were saying about uh the time that
[2:29:59] you need for engineering for this
[2:30:00] particular project like I was saying
[2:30:02] earlier this is a safer Grant funded
[2:30:04] project right now under the TA safer
[2:30:06] program and right now all engineering
[2:30:08] work is is covered by that funding
[2:30:10] source so we're not asking for much
[2:30:13] engineering from the city at this point
[2:30:15] participation would be more of reviewing
[2:30:17] the documents making sure that if we're
[2:30:19] meeting me we're meeting City standards
[2:30:21] on engineering reports uh PL
[2:30:24] specifications for the project secret
[2:30:26] documentation things like that but we
[2:30:27] won't be asking you guys take a lead on
[2:30:28] any of that at this point you guys will
[2:30:30] be more in the review process now if it
[2:30:32] comes time to construction there'll be a
[2:30:34] different conversation but in this
[2:30:35] particular uh project we're doing now
[2:30:37] there wouldn't be a whole lot of
[2:30:38] engineering we would be asking from the
[2:30:42] city thank you for providing
[2:30:46] that Council
[2:30:52] question did I already went out for po
[2:30:55] comment yeah okay so perfect opportunity
[2:30:57] to go after for public comment uh 926 is
[2:31:01] there any public comment on the phone in
[2:31:02] regards to this
[2:31:04] item
[2:31:06] yes um go ahead you have three minutes
[2:31:08] can you please say your name for the
[2:31:12] record uh yes my name is El I am
[2:31:15] representing the division of drinking
[2:31:17] water the sa for sou gain from
[2:31:21] unit uh the division of drinking water
[2:31:23] supports the consolidation with the city
[2:31:26] of Livingston as a longterm solution for
[2:31:29] the school uh we would appreciate your
[2:31:31] approval on item 43 of the agenda to
[2:31:34] enter discussion with uh your
[2:31:37] staff and I just wanted to highlight
[2:31:39] that right now we're working on the
[2:31:40] engineering report so the goal would be
[2:31:45] to lay out all the um technical ities
[2:31:50] and be able to ensure that we address
[2:31:52] all the comments that the city has uh
[2:31:56] which has already a little bit been
[2:31:59] highlighted uh fire suppression what
[2:32:01] happens to the well uh what is funding
[2:32:04] look like and just be able to provide
[2:32:06] all the information for Council to uh
[2:32:09] make a decision if this is something
[2:32:10] they're interested in the future uh
[2:32:13] construction thank
[2:32:15] you thank you is there any uh addition
[2:32:20] comments on the phone in regards to this
[2:32:24] item bringing it back to the chamber at
[2:32:26] 927 any uh comments please come forward
[2:32:30] say your name for the
[2:32:33] record Castillo
[2:32:36] um the question I would have because
[2:32:39] he's saying this would be um a fully
[2:32:42] grant
[2:32:43] program as on the development side when uh self-help Enterprise helps uh or
[2:32:48] brings water into disadvantage Community
[2:32:50] it's like a home run for a developer or
[2:32:52] for a community so if would that be
[2:32:54] similar to this I know I'm thinking of a town that just got a grant for storage
[2:32:59] in a well and they it was 100 it was
[2:33:00] covered I believe 100% by a grant um so
[2:33:03] for example I know here in the city we have issues with uh with um with
[2:33:07] obviously me and our our uh water demand
[2:33:10] during the summer but if if you can
[2:33:11] incorporate let's say the well that you
[2:33:13] that the school would need and then
[2:33:15] maybe add some additional storage I
[2:33:16] believe the storage could be the
[2:33:18] solution for that Peak uh season of of
[2:33:21] water uh where we're having issues and
[2:33:23] then that would also open up some of the
[2:33:25] um uh other other things that we Haven
[2:33:28] been able to do like development which
[2:33:29] would bring in more revenue for the city
[2:33:31] and would help maybe fund some of these
[2:33:32] other projects my question would be
[2:33:34] because the city has just got awarded a
[2:33:37] grant for 27 million by them
[2:33:40] participating in this uh type of uh
[2:33:43] program with self-help does that is
[2:33:45] there a disadvantage to to the city or
[2:33:47] does that allow them not to uh apply for
[2:33:49] any additional funding like that they
[2:33:50] are currently um going
[2:33:54] after no uh you know participating or
[2:33:57] not in this particular program or this
[2:33:58] in this particular consolidation project
[2:34:00] wouldn't uh you know affect the city's
[2:34:03] uh ability to apply for other grants
[2:34:04] through the state water board um um but
[2:34:07] the state water board does uh um
[2:34:09] prioritize consolidations and then they
[2:34:12] do provide like I said incentive
[2:34:13] fundings for those entities that take on
[2:34:15] those smaller systems
[2:34:20] so does that mean they get like they get
[2:34:22] a higher score for being for do for part
[2:34:25] does the city get like points or a score
[2:34:27] for participating on programs like these
[2:34:29] when they go out for Grants or no uh no
[2:34:31] not not a higher
[2:34:33] score sorry no not a higher score but
[2:34:36] again um you know they do take this into
[2:34:38] account when
[2:34:39] you're uh it's like a score wouldn't be
[2:34:41] the right way to say it but they do take
[2:34:43] into account the that you guys were
[2:34:45] consolidating with a disadvantaged
[2:34:46] community or a school that needed the uh
[2:34:48] the Water Source yeah so so there would there be any disadvantage to the
[2:34:53] city for or anything you can think of
[2:34:55] that wouldn't be to the benefit of the
[2:34:58] city for participating to for something
[2:34:59] like
[2:35:01] this uh um you know uh most of the
[2:35:05] engineering most of the work for this
[2:35:07] particular project is taken care of by
[2:35:08] our Engineers uh for for our work the
[2:35:11] disadvantages uh the city staff would
[2:35:13] have to review some documentation and do
[2:35:14] a little bit of work at this point um
[2:35:17] but the review is pretty minimal
[2:35:18] compared to the work that the Engineers
[2:35:20] are doing for our particular project um
[2:35:23] I can't think of any disadvantages at um
[2:35:25] on my mind but if you guys have
[2:35:26] something specific to ask me I can
[2:35:28] definitely answer answer that but uh no
[2:35:30] mind I don't see any disadvantages at
[2:35:32] this
[2:35:33] point okay thank you yeah like I said on
[2:35:35] the development World um this is a this
[2:35:38] is normally a home run as a development
[2:35:40] or even even even taking development out
[2:35:42] of it uh most um cities like like this
[2:35:45] type of partnership with self help
[2:35:47] because it covers 100% of the grants or
[2:35:49] covers
[2:35:50] most of the time it's 100% of the cost
[2:35:51] and if you don't get 100% of the cost
[2:35:53] then you you get a 0% interest uh loan
[2:35:56] so it's I mean you can't ask for
[2:35:57] anything better thank
[2:36:00] you thank
[2:36:06] you
[2:36:09] go J uh really like the uh like it looks
[2:36:14] good looks really good I know Diego had
[2:36:16] some of the same questions that I had
[2:36:17] like the idea of helping a school
[2:36:19] obviously so um I like the direction
[2:36:22] it's going but Mr R you B up a concern
[2:36:24] that I think it's fair Anthony I kind of
[2:36:25] want to ask you and Mr Lopez a little
[2:36:27] bit too Chris if you have any comments
[2:36:29] on this obviously we just approved the
[2:36:31] well project recently just got 27
[2:36:33] million in funding going to start moving
[2:36:35] on that pretty soon here uh like the
[2:36:38] idea that we're moving forward a lot
[2:36:39] faster now because it feels like we've
[2:36:40] been stagnant but let's just say 6
[2:36:43] months from now or whatever the timeline
[2:36:45] is after discussions are had we decide
[2:36:47] that we want to move forward with this
[2:36:49] if all these projects are going on at
[2:36:50] once do we have the adequate capacity to
[2:36:54] make sure that everything's being done
[2:36:55] right get all of your other work done
[2:36:58] and like get everything done effectively
[2:37:01] in the event that all this is going on
[2:37:04] together with our other
[2:37:08] Wells I'll respond to a portion of that
[2:37:11] typically in the construction especially
[2:37:13] projects of this scope there's uh
[2:37:16] project management built into the grant
[2:37:18] funding so usually that's allocated so
[2:37:21] that you know it's not necessarily staff
[2:37:23] that's monitoring it rather it's you
[2:37:25] know a specific designated person who's
[2:37:28] responsible for construction management
[2:37:30] one it save staff time and then two it
[2:37:32] can be covered 100% by the grant funding
[2:37:34] so that's likely going to be the case
[2:37:36] with this particular project because it
[2:37:38] is a a directly connected to the state
[2:37:41] water uh board right okay I think uh
[2:37:45] mayor if it's okay I think those are all
[2:37:48] great questions for me the big uh
[2:37:52] question that we always have is how much
[2:37:54] do we have on the plate um and I look at
[2:37:56] the projects that we have right now um
[2:37:59] Anthony has a report that'll be provided
[2:38:01] to the council probably in the next
[2:38:03] couple weeks or so we've got a number of
[2:38:06] developers right now that are wanting to
[2:38:08] move forward on developments in the
[2:38:09] community now um and we're unable to
[2:38:12] because we don't have the adquate water
[2:38:14] capacity so for for me right now the
[2:38:17] most sense for the city of Livingston
[2:38:19] proper is a move forward on well 8A well
[2:38:23] 18 and making sure that we've got all
[2:38:26] the resources allocated and make sure
[2:38:27] that moves forward so that is absolute
[2:38:30] my top priority for the city of
[2:38:32] Livingston at this moment in time um
[2:38:34] incorporating this project I think it's
[2:38:35] a great idea I think it is a a
[2:38:38] legitimate concept the question that I
[2:38:40] do have though is how much time gets
[2:38:42] taken away from uh non- allocation
[2:38:45] towards whether it's well 8A well 18 or
[2:38:49] the priority of keeping our system
[2:38:51] operational and running we had a
[2:38:54] conversation this morning with the
[2:38:55] engineering team the Public Works team
[2:38:56] the development team on what we can do
[2:38:58] to get just this capacity moving in the
[2:39:01] city so that's my my question you know
[2:39:03] adding this project would obviously you
[2:39:06] can't do everything 100% of the time so
[2:39:09] this is time that gets taken away from
[2:39:11] other projects in the city and that's
[2:39:12] just the reality of it and that's just
[2:39:14] me being truthful and straightforward on
[2:39:16] how things operate right yeah thanks for
[2:39:18] that that's what I wanted uh question
[2:39:20] then for maybe a gentleman from
[2:39:21] self-help is if the city decides not to
[2:39:23] move on this today in terms of sitting
[2:39:26] down and figuring out a plan is there a
[2:39:28] deadline that we have by when we'd have
[2:39:31] to get this moving is there like an
[2:39:33] ideal time frame for you all maybe we
[2:39:36] come back in a few months and we decide
[2:39:37] to get on the
[2:39:39] table thank you yeah um no right now we
[2:39:43] are at the stage of the uh preliminary
[2:39:45] engineering report we're trying to make
[2:39:47] a decision we're at a fork in the road
[2:39:49] how do move forward on this particular
[2:39:50] project for Shelby and so um let's say
[2:39:54] that we unsuccessful and city of
[2:39:55] Livingston does not decide to uh
[2:39:57] participate in the planning
[2:39:59] project um then we're trying to discuss
[2:40:02] a new alternative for that school uh
[2:40:05] when you're talking about something like
[2:40:06] one 123 TCP contaminations uh as you
[2:40:09] guys probably know treatment is
[2:40:12] expensive and unaffordable especially if
[2:40:14] you're a small entity like a school who
[2:40:16] doesn't have any uh rate payers to cover
[2:40:18] the cost
[2:40:20] and so it'll be difficult for us to
[2:40:21] figure out what to do next with uh
[2:40:23] Shelby um but we'll have to look at
[2:40:25] other Alternatives and then we'll be
[2:40:27] working with the state and all the other
[2:40:28] uh engineering that we're working with
[2:40:30] the project Engineers to figure out
[2:40:31] what's happening next but um I don't
[2:40:33] have an answer for you what the exact
[2:40:34] answer what we could do then but what
[2:40:36] might happen is we might approach you
[2:40:38] all again in the future uh with some
[2:40:40] more information from the state
[2:40:41] waterboard about what we can provide for
[2:40:43] you all uh to incentivize this project
[2:40:46] uh other than that um like I said it
[2:40:48] would be a lot more uh investigations
[2:40:50] and evaluations of alternatives for this
[2:40:54] system which could be ongoing for a long
[2:40:59] time thank you no further
[2:41:02] questions thank you mayor I did uh
[2:41:05] receive an email back on October 15 from
[2:41:09] alir Rees who spoke um and she did um
[2:41:14] provide a public comment by email I just
[2:41:17] want to put that on the record thank you Mr uh Santos yeah I just
[2:41:22] wanted to provide a little Clarity to to
[2:41:23] the public at this point we're not
[2:41:26] approving um or rejecting it's a
[2:41:29] basically uh get direction from uh
[2:41:32] Council to go and gather more
[2:41:33] information to come back to the council
[2:41:35] can make a decision at sometime in the
[2:41:37] future whether uh to do a
[2:41:41] consolidation um so question
[2:41:50] if actually I think you answered part of
[2:41:53] my question was what is plan b or plan
[2:41:56] C I I heard like we're not sure yet
[2:42:00] maybe uh but if if the city decides to
[2:42:04] say you know let's just start that
[2:42:06] preliminary
[2:42:08] conversation uh and considering some of
[2:42:11] the other items that we have already on
[2:42:13] our
[2:42:14] plate would you be I mean or would
[2:42:18] whoever is on that side
[2:42:20] be okay with working with us in regards
[2:42:23] to I mean this is not going to happen
[2:42:25] like you
[2:42:26] know
[2:42:28] uh quick as we wanted it to be but we do
[2:42:33] you know saying like we do want
[2:42:36] to figure something out but kind of bear
[2:42:39] with us and let's let's take it maybe
[2:42:42] you know not 50 miles an hour but I
[2:42:45] don't know 45 30 miles an hour I mean is
[2:42:52] that yeah what will you I mean what
[2:42:54] would you guys say to that so you know
[2:42:58] um the the consolidation with city of
[2:43:02] Livingston is the most feasible
[2:43:03] alternative to address the contamination
[2:43:06] issues for uh Shelby school and so right
[2:43:09] now what we are asking is just for
[2:43:12] participation in this engineering report
[2:43:14] to review the document and provide
[2:43:16] comments to us at this point and and uh
[2:43:19] once we finalize that engineering Report
[2:43:21] with the common city of Livingston we'll
[2:43:23] be able to provide that information to
[2:43:24] you guys you guys have an uh an
[2:43:26] engineering document that has a project
[2:43:28] estimate it'll give you specifics about
[2:43:30] what the project is asking for um as
[2:43:34] well as any kind of impacts to the
[2:43:35] school or to the city so you guys will
[2:43:38] at the at this point not cons um commit
[2:43:41] to consolidation but participate in the
[2:43:43] planning process and then at that point
[2:43:45] you guys can actually have the document
[2:43:47] see some real information numbers uh
[2:43:49] data and you guys can make a decision at
[2:43:51] that point so it is kind of a slow
[2:43:53] process I think you guys will at the
[2:43:54] very beginning if you guys choose to
[2:43:55] move forward with us just kind of
[2:43:57] provide us information and data that we
[2:43:59] can uh include into a um a complete
[2:44:03] report and then you guys can have that
[2:44:05] make a decision on what you guys would
[2:44:06] like to do next at that point so we're
[2:44:08] probably talking a few months from now
[2:44:10] that you guys will be will be asking you
[2:44:12] guys to make a decision to if you guys
[2:44:13] want to participate in actual
[2:44:15] consolidation um at this point we're
[2:44:17] just asking for some information data
[2:44:19] sharing between each other all
[2:44:22] right uh cancel any other
[2:44:27] questions yeah Mr Mayor can we have the
[2:44:29] lap the screen with the three options
[2:44:31] back up please
[2:44:33] Monica
[2:44:34] [Music]
[2:44:37] Anthony personally I like option number
[2:44:40] one I the benefits I think of us getting
[2:44:43] an extra water supply in the future the
[2:44:46] state and everybody's going to help
[2:44:48] funding this
[2:44:50] I think it's to the benefit of living St
[2:44:53] the way on water we're still going to PS
[2:44:56] pursue for our other Wells but I think
[2:44:58] option number one would be the one that
[2:45:00] least enter into the discussions and see
[2:45:03] what the cost associate review those
[2:45:05] documents and the Council next year can
[2:45:08] make a final decision but we need if
[2:45:10] we're going to think about it we need to
[2:45:11] start that process thank
[2:45:15] you is that a motion yes so uh
[2:45:20] um I think that there is something we
[2:45:37] can do here you know um and um I think
[2:45:43] there are some benefits to everybody
[2:45:46] involved um obviously if if if we can
[2:45:50] get a full Grant then we don't have to
[2:45:51] pay for it that'll be better right uh it
[2:45:55] doesn't hurt to ask right um but you
[2:45:59] know
[2:46:02] um I I'm hoping that that it doesn't add
[2:46:06] too much to our plate or to our staff a
[2:46:10] lot more than what they already have um
[2:46:14] but um I would ask I I think I I do want
[2:46:19] to support this I I I will second this
[2:46:22] uh but at the same time hopefully just
[2:46:26] um take it one step at a time as and
[2:46:29] hopefully we can bring it
[2:46:31] back uh when when it's appropriate and
[2:46:35] we can look at it again but I I I will
[2:46:37] second that
[2:46:38] motion so we have a motion on the floor
[2:46:41] by uh council member Wallace uh second
[2:46:44] by myself roll call
[2:46:46] please roll call cancel member Wallace
[2:46:50] yes council member
[2:46:52] Soo sorry I meant to ask this question
[2:46:56] um down here Below on the staff report I
[2:46:59] realize there's a motion on the floor
[2:47:01] but pursuing this project will allow the
[2:47:04] city of livon to leverage any available
[2:47:05] local fund should it be necessary what in particular were uh was that
[2:47:10] reference towards
[2:47:12] Anthony um page two of three it's just
[2:47:16] stating that we could use our um
[2:47:19] reserves
[2:47:21] Capital
[2:47:25] Enterprises funds
[2:47:27] if liable for funds but if it's
[2:47:37] granted okay um I'm it's it's it's a
[2:47:42] hard tossup but seeing in the future if
[2:47:44] it expands our our water infrastructure
[2:47:47] then it's it's a great concept but as it
[2:47:51] stands right now with with some of the
[2:47:53] things that that were discussed here you
[2:47:55] know we we are in a in a hard place with
[2:47:58] our water but seeing that this is
[2:48:00] something for our
[2:48:01] future um it it does it's not going to
[2:48:04] hurt us to for um members of this
[2:48:09] Council or staff to enter into like a
[2:48:12] discussion so those the when it comes to
[2:48:15] the hard conversation that would be up
[2:48:17] to Future councils to come to but just
[2:48:21] to look into the ideas and see what you
[2:48:23] can come up with even with uh your
[2:48:25] Alternatives if you find a better
[2:48:29] alternative um by all means but uh
[2:48:32] working with our our neighbors Shelby
[2:48:35] school has many of our our students that
[2:48:39] attend there so um I can yeah yes was
[2:48:45] that roll call yeah yes mayor
[2:48:49] yes motion passes by a vote of
[2:48:52] 30 thank you so next at
[2:48:55] 9:44 we have uh adjournment and uh good
[2:48:59] night everyone