We'll call this regular council meeting to order at 10.05 a.m. This is our July 22nd, again regular council meeting.
Just as it just mentioned earlier we have a couple of council joining online and but we do have quorum so we'll just continue on here.
We need a motion to adopt the agenda as presented.
Thank you.
Let's go ahead and vote.
I'll see if this computer works because few minutes to fix it is more.
Is it coming up on yours?
I did.
There are others.
Vote manually.
I really did.
There comes a little bit slow here but there you go.
Okay.
Thank you.
Motion carried.
Today we have a couple of delegations.
We have the 10.15 delegation coming in from with T.C. energy, the living lake, sales, lateral loop update and another.
Also I did 11 a.m. presentation as well as a registered public input session at 12 o'clock.
So we'll get into.
We have a consent agenda.
We'll just go down the list here.
Consent agenda.
We have 4.18.3 regular council meeting minutes of July 8th.
Consular expense claims from June 2025.
Any questions?
Let's go ahead and vote.
Thank you.
I'll just vote manually.
We have the computer.
Once in a while shows up on most of the time it doesn't.
Number four is adoption of minutes or sorry that was just done.
There's nothing on their unfinished business or urgent matters.
We can do Kotsell reports quick and I see the delegation for T.C. energy easier.
so we'll hopefully catch up to 10.15 here.
Councillor Pede, you want us to start it off today?
Sure, thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Since our last council meeting,
find my spot here.
Yeah, attended the Hylow Venice at Greg Board,
how to meeting.
I attended the healthier communities.
Golf tournament was awesome weather.
A lot of people showed up at a lots of sponsorship.
It was a great day.
I don't know what the final numbers were,
but it was all set up to take money out of our pockets
and they succeeded in nothing.
It was a really great day and all to a worthy cause.
And again, all the money raised stays in this community
and that's what I like supporting.
Went one day to the Pomondon Mudbugs.
A lot of people.
Great time was great weather.
Just wasn't that hot, wasn't that cold.
It was a perfect weather that I went Saturday.
It was awesome.
It was loud.
And yeah, there must have been a...
Oh, it stands for a packed.
It was full host.
All the kids.
Lots of stuff for the kids.
It was awesome.
So Kudos to the Organizing Committee there.
And again, to the healthier communities.
Golf tournament to the Organization Committee there.
It was well put on.
Venezuela, preservation site had a meeting.
Went to that.
And then I went to the egg in motion.
Well, I can't even call it a conference.
It was just a bunch of vendors with all their equipment there
and putting on displays.
Big thing that in that was drones.
And equipment that they have to support drones and
spraying with drones and a lot of drone work.
And the equipment gets bigger and bigger every year.
And the technology gets more and more.
I don't know if something goes wrong with all this technology
who comes out and fixes all this stuff.
But Kudos to the organizers for that egg.
And motion.
There must have been equipment there that filled the whole
quarter section of a field there with a bunch of demos.
And yeah, it was awesome to see.
And that brings us to today.
Thank you.
Council model.
Thank you Mr. Mayor.
I did not have anything.
I didn't return any meeting.
I didn't know how we're met with the few residents and attended the few calls.
I went with one of the residents to see the desk.
Of course.
And along with the volunteer.
About the mountain bike trail.
The gentleman who's, you know, volunteering and
making the mountain bike trail.
He's in contact with the.
Edmonton by trail group.
And also he's making it really beautiful.
However, he needs little help with the county.
And his contact details have been passed to this.
Mani and Mani was there too.
And even.
Councilor Moore was there.
So yeah, he showed us what's his trials and
conclusions are for regarding that.
And yeah, that's about it.
And that brings me to today.
Thank you.
Councilor Benu.
Councilor Morgan.
Thank you Mr. Mayor.
So since the last meeting, I attended a municipal
Pani Commission meeting.
I had a healthy water's meeting.
We're continuing with the work in Pamanan and
collaboration with the Lockfish Watershed and
Athabeska Watershed.
But there will be more work happening in
September when we can collaborate with the children for both
schools.
So I'm anxious to get going on that watershed project there.
And then I had citizen of the year selection committee.
We had a pretty lengthy meeting.
We're going to announce the citizen of the year at the fish fry at
Powode.
So can't wait for that to happen.
And then, of course, as councilor Patty alluded to, we had
Mudbugs.
Mr. Mayor and myself participated in a parade.
Pretty big parade.
It was just awesome.
There was people everywhere.
I couldn't even believe it.
There was people were so excited to see that back.
We hadn't had a parade from Mudbugs for about 18 years.
So it was really good to see that.
And the numbers were phenomenal as you alluded to,
Councilor Paddy.
So we had a total of 1944 people who paid.
But on Sunday, we sat down the admission fairly early,
but kept it going to about 7 o'clock.
We did not charge for 10 and under.
So we had well over 2,500 people at 10.
So there was standing lines everywhere.
At the gate.
At the children's carnival.
Everything was just wait and line.
So that was really nice to see.
The dance was super successful.
There was about 400 people there.
So yeah, we had a really good weekend.
Nice to see that happening in Flamanin.
Because it brought a whole lot of people to the town.
So that's it for me, Mr. Mayor, onto you.
Thank you.
It was a good event.
Councilor Moore.
Thanks.
So I also attended the MPC meeting last week.
The Healthiers Community's golf tournament.
Thanks to the staff and volunteers that put that off.
Took a tour of the bike trails.
As Councilor Mondals already stated,
the mud bugs parade was crazy.
Like it was, there are so many people that attended.
It was so really great to see.
So again, thanks to those volunteers.
And yeah, the dance was was a good time.
Yesterday, the Economic Development, sorry.
The Economic Developers of Alberta attended our EDAC meeting and gave a presentation on the courses that they offer to their
public to Council members as well as to any committee members that would like to attend those.
They have multiple different streams that you can take and they gave a overview of all of those.
And at the FTSS meeting, it was a quieter month, but they still had 1,757 participants attend their organizational events.
But one thing that they take away from there, they're yearly wrap up.
So we need to bring forward is that through the sponsorship and the granting process, all of the events that are put on throughout the community.
Over 3,600 volunteer hours were logged within the community that are tied back to granting through FTSS.
So not necessarily county events, but these are county funded events, county granted events and just community events.
So 3,600 volunteer hours were logged.
That's it.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Deputy Mayor.
I see your own line.
Go ahead.
I had a pretty quiet time.
Just the agenda review.
And of course, I may pull him on in my box too.
I may have one spoke on it.
Large crowds as great weather.
But that was it for me.
On another note, I just did get a call.
So I will be gone for at least a little while.
Take a guess.
Thanks for joining.
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.
And I see that five minutes of me.
Yeah.
Councillor Cachuk and Councillor Joanna have still not joined.
So we will continue as mentioned.
We do have quorum.
Just leave myself for the Councillor report to join for the golf tournament.
Again, my understanding is it was fully booked and fully sponsored.
So hopefully we did break the record of last years.
And again, the funds raise go to an excellent cause for local health efforts.
The Plomondon, but Mudbugs has mentioned very, very busy.
There's parking.
There's practically no parking in the entire town.
This year, the parade edition was very well received.
It was a great time.
I'm great weather.
I also, as Councillor Borgon mentioned, participated in a parade and participated in race.
In the races as well.
Not bragging.
It took first place in my class.
So that's a good, it's always a great time with family.
We did.
Got my trophy and it's all I need it.
Also, we went through the week here, met with our Indigenous partners here.
Just obviously trying to resolve some issues, which was done.
And I'm glad everyone came about.
And it was well done, I would say, by everybody involved.
I had a agenda prep.
I had over the council with an update over all of the provincial and federal matters.
We always keep the priorities from what our county priorities are.
We're really pushing each 5.8 again to make sure that that's on everyone's top of mind,
especially the transport minister.
Also, met over the weekend on Saturday, Sunday, met with some local farmers.
Just regarding the dry conditions that's out there.
And what their thoughts are and the concerns, etc.
But we will have that further discussion regarding this in our meeting today.
So I hope that we can give some direction on that front.
And also there will be an update regarding the Alberta government's health care efforts in regarding the regional advisory committee.
I'll let that all be updating council in the public as soon as we have a little bit more information and confirmation on that front as well.
So with that, that's it.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
Mr. Mayor, you mentioned on the farmers' branches on the agenda.
It's not on the agenda.
What is this discussion?
Where is it on?
Where is it on the point?
I see it in my book anyway.
Will they be handled regarding this?
I know that there's a discussion regarding it today.
I also toward the, hey, fields, crop fields, everything's extremely dry beyond the on dry so.
To be followed as per Alberta standards, and so can we, that we have sent out?
We had a few discussions regarding this over the recent days, so how are we going to be discussing that today?
Because we're expecting give some direction to council, or we're waiting for a report.
Are you going to update us through the CA report?
Let's do that with the CA report.
Can we, Mr. Mayor, you want me to cover through the CA?
Well, there was an email circulated, there was some concerns that would brought forward,
there was some additional, even as early as today regarding.
There's there's some urgency to this, to this matter that we need to, we need to give at least some direction,
or at least give the public what, what are we doing as council administration regarding this?
Mr. Mayor, should I cover it now?
Well, let's look at it in the CEO report, but again, everybody around the table, we receive the kind of
they hand out and so forth, but we have to have that discussion around.
Yes.
So without changing the gender here, we'll make sure that we cover it off on the CA report to be able
to make a direction.
Yes.
Thank you.
With that, we'll go to the 7.1 of the 1015 delegation, again, as from TC Energy.
This is the Laming Lake Sales Latteral Loop Update, presented by Chelsea Devon and Avery.
Does that make sense?
Okay.
Again, just make it way to the front here and have a seat, turn on the mics.
Just hit the mic button as long as it's red, it's on.
And just a quick introduction if you don't mind, just introduce yourselves and take it away.
So thank you for having us today.
It's wonderful to be here with you in person.
My name is Chelsea True.
I'm on the community relations team at TC Energy.
We also have Devon James.
Good morning, everyone.
Thank you for having us.
Devon James, I'll be the project manager for this project.
Just mostly here to support Chelsea and answer any questions that you guys may have.
So I'm grateful to be joining you here today on the traditional territory of the Treaty Six communities.
We are here today to share information about upcoming project construction work that TC Energy has.
And most importantly, we are here to answer any questions that you may have.
So feel free to ask any questions along the way.
Once you go through the presentation, we'll reserve our questions.
Maybe they're towards the end.
If there is any questions in the middle council, just feel free to raise your hand.
If there is any questions in the middle council, just ask any questions in the middle council.
So in the interest of time, I won't spend too much time on this slide, but it provides an overview of the discussion today.
So I'll start to talk about TC Energy.
So over the past 70 years, TC Energy has built an extensive network of energy infrastructure assets that spans North America.
This includes our 93,600 kilometer network of natural gas pipelines, which supplies more than 30% of the clean burning natural gas consumed daily across North America to heat homes fuel industries and generate power.
Natural gas is a reliable high efficiency energy source, and we build and operate safe and reliable energy infrastructure.
TC Energy's power and energy solutions portfolio of high quality, long life energy infrastructure assets includes investments in 10 power generation facilities with a combined generating capacity of approximately 4,600 megawatts.
Approximately 75% of our power capacity is in nuclear, nuclear, solar, and wind generation, which are emission free sources of power.
So I will not now talk about the project that is in your area.
It is the Lemming Lake sales lateral loop field lake section.
It is 17 kilometers of 20 inch outer diameter pipeline.
The pipeline will originate at the field lake compressor station, which is approximately 8 kilometers east of the town of Lacklubish.
The project scope is fully located within Lacklubish County.
The purpose of this project is to meet the growing demand for natural gas transportation and additional flow requirements based on the interest expressed by our customers.
A section to 14 application was filed with the Canada energy regulator in March 2024, and TC Energy received regulatory approval to construct the project on September 20, 2024.
We completed the early right-of-way clearing in March 2025.
This work was completed by the contractor M&M resources in collaboration with Martish of Group.
We have recently awarded the mainline construction work to the prime contractor, Sereris Murphy, joint venture, SMJV.
We are hosting a community and business engagement open houses evening from 5 to 7 p.m. at the board center, and SMJV will be present to discuss local employment and contracting opportunities.
So mobilization and mainline construction is anticipated to commence on September 24, 2025.
So this year, construction will be completed March 2026 with the anticipated in service date of April 1, 2026.
I will note that there is a planned outage on October 15 at a compressor station and a section of pipe between two valves, but this outage work will not impact the community or gas supply.
So accommodation planning is underway.
We have decided to leverage local hotels and accommodations, but we are open to comments from the county on this.
Over the course of the seven month construction period, we anticipate an average of 25 workers on site daily from September through November.
We will work up 250 workers from the end of November through January 2026, and then our peak workforce of 250 workers is anticipated at the end of January beginning of February.
So SMJV will utilize on site medical services and traffic management plans will be developed to mitigate any concerns with project traffic within the area.
So TC Energy has been active in Northeastern Alberta region and we work closely with communities to mitigate impact impacts to the community.
Safety is our absolute number one value. This extends outside of the right away and we include placing driver safety at the forefront.
We recognize the challenges of increased traffic on rural roads and dust management and we will work to mitigate this.
We continue to work with communities to ensure our traffic management plans mitigate impacts to daily drivers ensuring that we are being neighborly in areas where we all work live and operate.
And this includes performing our work during work day hours to reduce any possible noise during the evenings.
Our plan is to have a construction schedule and Monday to Saturday from 6am to 6pm.
I want to highlight the 70 year history we have of building and operating pipeline safely and reliably.
Once the pipeline is placed into service, it will be monitored by the TC Energy Gas Control Center 247.
And we look forward to continuing our relationship with local first responders as we outline the response plan procedures once the project is operational.
So I did also want to note that TC Energy is proud of its social impact program build strong.
We prioritize local, non-profit organizations that are focused on safety, education, environment and community.
We invest by providing some support to communities through a variety of channels including grants in kind donations and scholarships.
We always welcome feedback from the local community as we want our social impact dollars to be spent in a meaningful way.
Our application portal is open for applications until November 7th, 2025.
And then it will open again at the end of January in 2026 for the 2026 year.
So thank you for your time. So I welcome any questions or comments that you may have.
Short and sweet.
No, I think we've obviously we've heard of this project and it's welcome any development and any expansion in our region.
As you know, we're energy-friendly here, up north, so whatever we can do to accommodate.
Just the two points and you touched on them from my, my comment I guess would be is just higher local by local.
That's really always try for.
And with accommodations, I'm glad you're looking to utilize existing, you know, we do have a lot of hotels in the in the area which could easily accommodate the numbers that you have spoken for.
So yeah, just you, you know, it's private enterprise but definitely engaged before setting up any camps.
Other than that, I do have another question is, and this was asked of me, the line looks that is there an old line that's being replaced or this is just running parallel to it or is this just a new connection.
It just runs parallel.
It runs parallel.
It's an old line.
Okay.
It's sort of figured that I just wanted to confirm this.
And this, and what is the size of the old one that's there?
16 inch.
16.
Okay.
So running and that one will be decommissioned or is that going to continue to go along with a new 20 inch.
Exactly.
Okay.
Yeah, they run in parallel to increase capacity.
Okay.
So the increase is more than twofold or a hundred percent.
Okay.
Any questions from council?
Thank you.
No, I just echo the mayor when, you know, if you can source local materials and support local contractors, you know, we have to get something.
The county has to get something more than then just hotels added a deal, right?
So, you know, I'm being, and I know TC has supported local in the past and will continue to, but just a little.
Well, not just reinforcement to use local where you can.
Absolutely.
And that extends everything.
I mean just by local higher local, but we have a really good service sector here that supports.
And I'm sure, you know, they're already been here for a while.
So, just can't, can't promote our local guys enough.
That's all I can say.
But yeah, thank you for the presentation and looking forward to it.
And I understand that there's another project with TC that's going to be doing.
So we'll wait for that announcement later.
Or update on that later.
I appreciate that.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming in.
Yeah.
Just.
Once again, thank you all.
We'll move on.
We'll come back to the 11 AM presentation later.
We'll go down the 8.2 is the by-law 25 there's zero one zero.
This is for first reading.
President Bush.
She wrote.
Supervisor planning and development.
Take it away.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Members of Council.
This morning, we have for you first reading of by-law 25 zero one zero, which is the draft land use by-law.
We're seeking first reading today just to give some background on this.
We had started the project in 2022 to go and rewrite the land use by-law to make it more user-friendly.
Eleminate some red tape.
More developer friendly.
So we've hopefully succeeded with that.
And now we're ready to proceed with first reading.
As you'll note, we've gone through a few different engagement processes including an open house.
We've had a few meetings with Councils through the strategic committee of council meetings to discuss items that came out of that.
We've made those changes and now we're ready to proceed.
We also sent the by-law to our legal council just to make sure that we are still ensuring we're meeting the municipal government act and everything is kosher there.
They did provide us the green light to go ahead.
So we've done that.
Just wanted to note following first reading we will book a public hearing.
This by-law is going to take us a little bit of time to get an ensure we have all the appropriate advertising and notifications completed.
So we are looking at scheduling in August, but it would probably be later August not the typical two weeks in our back here.
Just because it does take a bit of time and we do have a lot of notifications to get done for this one.
With that said, this is just first reading.
Once the public hearing takes place, if there are other concerns brought up and Council wants to proceed with some changes, we can have those done.
It would be a motion made before second and third reading.
So there's still opportunity to make changes to the by-law following if there are.
Any wishes that we'd like to see completed after the public hearing. So this would be first reading, public hearing.
We have the option to make changes before we do any final readings to the by law.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, Chair. Good work. The only problem I had when I read the whole thing and going to the, at the very end was to open the maps.
But I found that if I opened the app, I was able to open them way faster.
I contacted Heather and she said she did check them all. We can't open them, but just takes a bit of time. So wondering for the public if there's anything we can do to open them faster, maybe not because they're quite large.
So without I'd be ready to do the first reading once you, you bet just talked to me about the maps.
Mr. Mayor members of council, we can request you. I asked to see if we can lessen the amount of storage so then they do open quicker.
Ultimately, the plan for the mapping is to have them attached as the larger scale.
So then when changes are done, it's not going through and adding like currently our land use by law.
I think the maps are a couple hundred pages themselves because they go through every quarter section.
And we wanted to get away from that. So we are doing the larger scale maps.
And then that way we can continue to utilize our online mapping system to show those changes and reflect them in a quicker manner than updating the maps, updating the by law.
Perfect. But we will definitely check to make sure that they can be opened quickly and efficiently for the public hearing phase.
That's what I was thinking. You and we get to public hearing. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Councilor Bittie.
Yeah, I really like the transparency you guys showed developing this. I know it took forever to, you know.
It's a total revamp of the land use by law.
So there's a lot of questions and a lot of opportunity for people to put in there and put and council to put in there and put in there and put in there and put in there.
And again, during the public information like coming up, there's still opportunity to put in there and put so I love to transparency.
You guys showed through all this and I support Councillor Morgan's motion.
Yeah, likewise, you know, it is a big read for sure.
There's you got understand what, you know, what everything means there when the referring to different categories, but it is an improvement.
I like to see it. It is it is developer friendly and that's the goal. I think we're moving in the right direction.
There's some option. Again, as this goes through the readings might be some adjustments perhaps, but I don't see very many errors.
It's so well done. Well, thank you for that. So I do can go ahead with the motion at first reading and we can go from there.
So the proposed motion is that by lie 25 there's zero one zero be given first reading this 22nd day of July 2025.
There you go. My computer is working.
Motion motion carried. Thank you. Thank you, Sharon.
Thank you.
Eight point four is the economic development advisory committee communication model.
Good morning Mr. Mayor and members of council.
We have consulted with the EDAC committee. We have brought the three different models to council previously.
And the consensus is to go with model C, which states that council approve model C as the formal communication model where the council appointed members will act
as the liaison between EDAC and council. Administration will continue helping with the logistics with the minute taking with coordination, but the two councillors will be the liaison.
So the three models are attached as part of the report if there are any questions. I will happy to answer.
Any questions from anyone of no who's who's on the committee currently. No questions on that matter.
So do we have a proposed motion.
I don't see any further questions that council approve communication model C as a framework for interaction between council and economic development advisory committee.
So we've seen model C and action already because last meeting I brought forward that the motions that had come from EDAC.
We then discussed them. They met. They came straight to the meeting right from EDAC straight to council so that it's not lost within administration.
So that's that's how model C will work and that's how it's been working just in the last month. So I think it's it's a good medium for everybody.
Thank you. So have the motion as red. Let's go ahead and vote.
So motion motion carried. So pretty sure would be able to clean up the regular session items.
The open agenda items here and then we'll see if we can do the 11 o'clock meeting before we go close. So we're the cold six program 8.5 is the cold mix township road 68660A
And range road 134.
Presented by Randy.
Manager public works. Go ahead.
Good morning. So we are here today to see council's approval to complete cold mix rehabilitation work on intersection within the beaver lake.
That's a great combination boundary. This is adjacent to work that we are already completing on a municipal road, which is a 668.
Cruise are currently there working for the next couple of days. So it would be an extension of the work that we are doing.
If council so chooses to approve this request or not.
So this would be approximately another day of work and about $36,000 worth of material.
That is the implications of that decision for the cost and the time.
Yeah, basically the open for council's approval if you guys have any questions.
I think the answer to the cost of it is there. So there's a lot of communication, email communication around this.
But it's here for a reason. I don't know who had the round of first council or council model it.
Sure. So have we looked into what the MGA says about completing work on federal lands.
So as far as I'm aware, we just need to have their approval to proceed with this.
So we did draft up a general release of demands that also sort of nobody's home liable for the work that we're doing.
That's also indicated that there's no warranty on the work that we'd be providing.
So we'd be doing this and then we'd be free and clear of proceeding with that.
So one of the policies and procedures that have happened in the past are we following them today.
And does this mere any other projects that we've done in the past?
We've done other projects for federal lands.
But I do not believe it followed the same process.
Why would we be varying the policy in the process changes?
I'm not sure of the previous work that we've done on national land.
Have so much or if you have any information regarding any of the work we've done outside of our boundaries.
Yeah, probably because I don't have the previous any history on work we've done like this.
So just a question, the current intersection, just to me, the current intersection, is it already encoledments?
Yes, it's currently called access deteriorated quite a bit.
Yeah.
And do we know who placed that original lift?
No, that would have been the nation or M. Con or somebody who have done that for them.
And so have we had conversations about collaboration that they will do the work but they paid for the $34,000.
I'm not aware of any conversations.
I was on most money, has it any more detail on that?
There is no conversation about them paying for $36,000.
So we've done that in the past for others but we're going to change our policy today for this one.
Okay.
Who's a conservative?
Well, I think most of us are on the table.
I understand where I'm going with this one.
I said, new as emails.
I've had thousands of full calls.
Why us?
Who made the offer that we're going to do this for free?
Number one.
I'd like to see a contract number two.
Is it just in conversation that a golf course or somewhere that we were going to do this for free?
I need a lot of work done in my area.
I've been screaming for damn nearly eight years about getting Eleanor Lake Road.
The 22 dips are still there.
People are still launching and it still is not done.
Christy Creek Bridge.
If you don't slow down to 65 kilometers, you are going to launch.
You're going to lose your boat, your trailer, everything is going to help.
I could use oil in my area.
So can you and you and you and you?
Beaver Lake Green Nation does not pay taxes.
They have never given as much as a plug nickel to anything that this county has done.
Who made the offer without asking us?
Number one.
Contracts.
We need that.
Number two.
When they pay for it as well.
Because we will be held liable going forward.
They already have litigation with the federal government.
The provincial government and maybe guys will check that out.
And now it will be municipal.
It will raise our taxes exponentially to go to courts.
I am not willing to put our county, our country, our taxpayers in jeopardy in any form or shape.
There is nothing that we have to do here.
Nothing.
I understood that these works were done and finished up to our corner last week.
When I went there last night at six o'clock, there is a packer running up and down the road.
And there's four county trucks, six employees.
Hang in no.
Doing what?
Watching, I think it was a lady on the packer.
It looks to me like there may have been a stretch that was redone for what reason.
We don't know.
I don't like back room deals on the golf course or anywhere else.
And when you say to bring, as I sent to you, Mr. Deal, an email, to bring it to a meeting,
to you and the mayor, you call that collaboration?
I don't.
Collaboration works both waste, not just one.
It's the working one way we pay for.
ICC has got a goal for starters because it has broke us.
We pay for everything.
And when I say we, I mean, lack of this county taxpayers.
We pay for dancers to come from Northwest Territories.
We pay for prayer people.
We pay for acknowledgement people.
We pay for a fiddler.
We pay we have paid.
And then we pay for rent at a hall that we got lots of spaces here.
But no, we're paying because it's at the parks hall.
This is wrong.
It was this an offer out of the blue.
I have asked those questions.
I rarely get answers.
I've got no books full of emails that I had sent.
Some of them after a while get a little antsy as Mr. Mayor responded to me.
I mean, you can only take so much before the whistle has to blow.
They have more dollars than we can count.
And we contribute to that fund.
Federally and provincially, we pay taxes.
Why would I be doing somebody else's road unless we were under contract to do so?
And never have to step foot there again.
I'm hearing through the grapevine that we already snowplow and all that kind of stuff.
Why don't we know about this?
I don't ever recall anything coming to us about snowplowing at the creenation.
It's like anything else.
Want something done? We hire contractors for everything. And now we're going to contract ourselves out for free. How does that work?
They're watering plants by a contractor here and in the hamlet up the Wondon and we're hiring contractors to water plants.
And we're going to hire ourselves out for free, because we're just that kind of people. We're very generous.
Why us is one question. They can pick a contractor, other of a hat.
And I mean anybody, not just because it's the reserve, it's anybody. It's private.
Not be making calls on offering for free either many. That's a council decision.
I don't care if you've got extra money in your budget. I'll spend that right now, right where I live.
It's complaint for eight years of all getting something done and it's not done. And then we're giving away labor, material, equipment, Houston.
Think about it. I am not going to ever approve this for anyone unless we go through the process.
When the conversation came up, I will finish. Thank you. When the conversation came up.
We'll give you a minute to finish.
Remove me from my committees. We had a lawyer.
Councilor, please.
We're simply simple. Where's our lawyer on this one? Where's our lawyers? My question.
And this, well, maybe we've done it. Maybe we haven't. That's not good enough for me. If you've told me a piece of paper that somebody signed down here with 35 years ago or 38 minutes ago,
then let's have something to go by. Not here say, well, yeah, this happened then and that happened. I don't know when that happened.
And I'm not blaming you because you have no idea, just as we don't.
But until we get all our ducks in a row, you're just going to give away $40,000 just because we're just nice people. Well, I've got a list too.
So if you, you and you and if you don't, well, then you should have.
Thank you for your comment.
We're going to move on. Randy, I'll just go ahead if you have a reply to that I do have a question.
I do. I just want to mention that there was no offer or agreement made.
Basically, I think people like creation obviously found out that we were doing callbacks rehabilitation work there,
because it was basically that day that they requested us to do that work, which is unfortunate too,
because now it's a rushed thing if we're going to be doing this while we're in the area.
Administration wants to have council decide on this, you know, we are definitely not providing any indication of whether we are not doing this.
And this was also explained in the email reply.
The cold mix program, we're doing a section of our role as per our cold mix program.
The equipment and the people we're in the area are request came in from the beaver lake saying,
your equipment is here. Can you guys assist us in doing this intersection as well?
The request came from there, not an offer from us.
So I just want to make that point clear, that request came in, that request was passed on to council.
Here we are discussing whether we should or we shouldn't do it.
There's a simple request here, Councillors is.
Yes or no, that's it. It's up to council to decide.
And that's it.
So, is that council in Mandel?
Thank you, Morgan.
Thank you Mr. Mayor for clarifying that the request, the request did came from there because the equipment's are there.
And I need to thank you for clarifying that out too.
And I believe the base work has been done by the by the beaver lake, right?
Yes, as far as I know, they have been in there completing some base prep work, getting it fixed up to agree themselves.
Yes.
Thank you very much.
And we just, the request that came out, and I have to say this that beaver lake does help us.
In terms of economic economic wise, they shop here, they shop here, they don't go anywhere.
They shop in town, they help us economically.
They do help us in terms of when there's fire.
We do take their crews, when they need, yes we do help them too.
So, it's how mutual and mutual aid is there.
So, if they're ready to help, and how many feet, try and you can please clarify, how many feet is that intersection?
It's about 45 meters long.
So, it's approximately 100 feet.
Yeah, yeah.
Give a take.
When I'll have to say, the road was in that intersection was in really bad, bad shape.
You can even drive, there was big portals in there.
If an EMS has to go, it takes time.
And when somebody's in, when somebody's in need, every second counts.
If we, again, this is if we cannot help our neighbors then, they come and it's they get their truck fixed.
They get their fire trucks fixed there.
They come in shop local.
They don't go out.
They spend their money in our county.
So, by saying, so, Councillor, I think, I'm sorry to say.
It's just, but my thing is they help us out.
So, yes, our crews are there.
We are already in over there.
Crews, equipment, everything is there.
We just have to do 100 feet approximately.
If they have made a request, it's up to us.
Whether we deny or what.
So, I'm sorry, Councillor.
I'm speaking.
If you want to speak up, speak up on the mic.
Not only a breath, please.
Thank you, Councillor Morgan.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
First of all, I just want to say that debate in this room is should go through the chair.
I'll back and forth to one another.
And we're not here to debate with the other Councillor fields, just saying.
So, going to, I'm not questioning the condition of the road to project anything like that.
Class seems a bit high to me, but again, I don't know about that kind of stuff.
So, I take what you bring to us Randy as valid information.
My notes were more on the line of Councillor Morris.
I just wanted to know about previous work done on settlements and reservations,
or any work done with our neighbors.
What was the policy?
Did we follow?
I can't say yes today because I feel that I don't have enough information.
I don't know what we did in the past.
I don't know what these people did for us.
I'm not talking about buying stuff in town.
This is where we're talking about roads.
I'm talking about roads.
I just want to know what we did in the past.
What did we follow for policy?
How are we following it now?
I think that needs to come back to us before or for me before I can decide.
On what I want to do with this.
And I had lots of calls on this also.
And I'm very concerned that it came to us last minute.
It did come to us last minute.
I'm sorry Mr. Mayor.
After conversations we're had.
And then it was brought to us.
I just find the conversations with Council.
We're a bit tardy.
That's again just me.
For myself, Randy, I just would like more information before I can say yes.
Just on previous process.
Not on what's happening today.
So thank you.
Councillor Pate.
Yeah.
No.
I'm kind of.
Yeah, just elaborate on.
Concern.
Mondal.
Yeah.
Our indigenous communities around us.
Pomp millions of dollars into this community.
So to say they do nothing is.
It is.
It's ludicrous at best.
Being a good neighbor.
This is what this is about.
It's being a good neighbor.
$40,000 is not a lot of money.
To me, it's a lot of money.
A lot of money in my world.
But the county, it's not a lot of money.
To be a good neighbor.
And because like Council Mondal said.
When there's disasters around,
I'll take the boil, boil fire for a perfect example.
The Beaver Lake fire department was there saving saving boil the town of boil.
They were there.
So the service agreements that we have with our indigenous neighbors are there.
They put a lot into this community.
If they would all get together tomorrow and boycott this community,
we'd turn into Vilma.
So when we have, and you know, over the years there has been, you know,
limited opportunity for them to say, hey, can you do us a solid?
Can you pay us a piece of intersection here that's decrepit and seeing you got equipment there?
And if we didn't have the equipment there, they wouldn't have asked us to do it.
But seeing where we're rebuilding that, our section of road there,
can you do us a solid and do it?
And I was quite surprised that how Council reacted to this and still does to this day on how,
you know, be no different than us,
moving grass for the provincial highways that we don't have jurisdiction for.
Or it'd be no different than that.
Those roads are provincial roads, and yet we're moving grass for doing mcons,
job, and we're not asking for anything.
It's just a matter of beautifying our town.
And this is just, this is just increasing relationships with our neighbors.
And it'd be no different than who would ask whether it be boil,
basket, county of Athabasca, smokey lake, county of smokey lake.
If they ask us to do a solid.
And I would do them a solid, because that's how I am.
I know Council thinks this is fast track.
Well, yes, it's fast track.
This just happened two weeks ago.
If we delay another two weeks for more information, I agree with Mr. Maris,
as this simple yes or no, my prepared to make the motion.
This is simple yes or no.
If we delay this, it'll be, it's probably almost too late anyway.
I think most equipments gone anyway.
So, you know, I'm prepared to make the motion and make,
and solve this today.
I don't need any more information by doing a neighbor, a solid,
and helping them with an air section, simple yes or no.
Again, there's been a lot of discussion around this road.
Everybody understands what it's about.
And what it is, it's a simple matter of cost.
My only question, I guess, of Etherandia,
or Manu, would there be a medium option here,
saying, you know, just the cost recoveries?
Would they, would they consider that in our equipment is there anyway?
So we do it, but that 30 or 40,000 is recovered.
Is that an option?
Or is that?
You're speaking, like, in terms of asking them to pay for the material.
That hasn't been discussed, but it could be brought to the table, yeah?
Because it is, you know, just to the level that this has been raised,
you know, that's an option that I would consider at this point.
I would support that, we have the cruise and equipment there.
You know, for us to say, as a county budget, the 30, 40,000 relations,
it really doesn't affect a whole lot, but in general when you say,
you know what, we're spending $40,000 on this, that's really not ours.
This is the blowback, is not worth it at this point.
You know, and just in defense of administration here, I'll say that, you know,
if we just made the decision, no, we're not going to do it.
I almost assure you that we'll have the same blowback saying, you were there.
You should have completed it.
It was only $30,000, $40,000.
You should have completed it.
You know, we pay you to make decisions.
You should have done it.
So it's, you know, administration in your department, Randy right now,
is it's a no win situation.
If you would have completed it, you would have got to hack.
If you don't do it, you're probably going to get hacked.
So I get it.
It's just, this is just used as a larger example.
But that being said, like I said, I think it's past that critical point where, you know,
I think it should be on a cost recovery or don't do it at all just to just for the sensitivity of it.
I just want to reiterate, again, too, though, that, you know,
our crews will only be there.
Different by a day tomorrow.
Maybe Wednesday.
Yeah.
You know, so if we do delay this, it will be a much bigger,
oh, not a much bigger ask, but it will be a bigger ask.
Yeah.
So, but yeah, up to Council.
Sure.
Yeah.
Councillor Piree, I mean, you have a motion.
We're going to go ahead and vote on it.
We're not going to take any more questions.
We know where this is all going.
It's simple.
Yes or no.
We're going to vote.
So you had a long time to speak.
So we're going to go ahead and vote.
We have a motion on a floor.
We have a motion.
We're going to vote on it.
So, are we going to vote therein?
Like that's up to say, or I'm going to file a point of order or something.
Also more, go ahead, we'll let her.
So, there's the motion that's pending here right now.
It does not reflect the conversation that we just had.
Is it possibility for...
This is not about being a good neighbor. This is not me saying I refuse to help boil, if they call, or refuse to help be awake, or heart-like, or, or, for ignoring. This is not about that. This is about, do we have a policy and procedure? Are we following it? Have you ever heard of it?
Have we followed it in the past? And what have we done in the past? What have we done with the neighbouring plans to the north of us? When they asked for a similar request, it was much larger, but what did we do? They had a cost recovery plan. So why are we deviating from this? And yes, the whole reason this is coming forward and blowing back?
Is because decisions were made in discussions were had at a golf course.
By you, Mr. Mayor, sorry, sorry, Mr. CAO, Mr. Deal. These conversations were had at a golf course. Overheard by many folks.
So what is the policies and procedures? I asked it ten minutes ago, prior to Councillor Benook.
Councillor Borgon also reiterated that, what are the policies and procedures are we following them? Have we followed them in the past? And what are we deviating now? Please don't put words in my mouth that I am not a good neighbor.
I am an all support of this project, providing that we follow policies and procedures, because following policies and procedures and this county and this administration has been difficult.
As of late. So what are we doing thus far? Not from you, thank you very much, Randy, from you, Mr. Deal.
Councillor Moore, first of all, I think your accusations and allegations are incorrect.
I have no conversation with anybody at the golf course. I went there in the morning and I came back after noon.
And if I did any conversation, I said, I will send a memo to council and the council is an agreement. We'll do it. If not, then it is in front of you. That's a very simple thing about it.
Second thing, you question about working with the provincial government or the federal government. We're not working with the provincial government. We're not working with the federal government.
It's our neighbors. We have a MU about economic development. We're working on ICC. They requested for $36,000 a favor. If you don't want to do that, it's in your discretion to do it or not.
The matter is very simple. Making accusations, allegations is not professional, and I will not answer that. Thank you very much.
And again, I asked, how did we treat North when they asked us.
It was a totally different subject. Let's stay through the subject here.
The question is, it's on the agenda. The motion is on the floor. We're not having any further debate or discussion, because the discussions are not about this. It's about just venting.
So we have a motion no further questions vote. Thank you very much. We're moving on.
If that's great, that's why we have a vote.
And again, we all have opinions on this. I'd like to see a cost recovery.
So we have a vote. That's my point. We vote simple.
I will do based on how this vote goes. I'll have a subsequent motion. So let's go ahead and vote.
I ain't got a question. If we don't have policies or procedures in place or legal in on this and some kind of contract.
Why would you let that go? And then we're going to find ourselves stuck somehow going forward. Why would you do that? If some things in the hurry, too bad.
We have a vote in process. Please vote. We have enough discussion.
You had a lot of time to say your points.
Motion is defeated. I do have a subsequent motion to approach to engage with beaver lake if they would consider a cost share.
If that's the case to do a cost share agreement on this or cost recovery on this, that would be my motion.
It's fine. It's going to be the exact same thing.
That's a good question for you, Randy. Before we enter there and stop the work, would we have any kind of an MOU or something.
That's saying we would be doing this work. Is it okay for you basically asking a permission to enter there and do the work?
Yes, absolutely. So managed to say that we do have an MOU, but we will have a contractor agreement specific for this work before we do anything.
Thank you very much. And it will also clearly says that there's no warranty work. Anything goes wrong. We are not reliable.
Correct. Yes. We would not be liable when there's no warranty health.
Thank you very much. That answers the question.
So we'll give the head of McKenzie a minute to draft the subsequent motion and we're running a little bit behind. We do have an 11 AM delegation.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. So the motion is to direct administration to engage with be relayed creenation on cost recovery option.
And if they support to proceed, a cost recovery agreement to complete the code makes work for the township road 660A and range road 134.
No, it's two days. If they agree to pay it for it, we proceed.
In other words, that's how this is written is if they agree to pay for their deportion, we proceed. It does not have to come back to council.
Because let's go ahead and vote.
I got a question.
Go ahead. Can we ask legal?
I'd like to know the ramifications going forward. It's not a matter of being a good neighbor. It's not even a matter of both to 40,000.
We got to do this right. And for some reason, you're avoiding that. Like I said, you had a lawyer for a committee, but this which is federal lands. You are a little shy. Why?
Thank you for your concern, Councillor Banyok. Let's go ahead and vote.
Motion carried. Thank you, Randy.
We do have an AM presentation. This is a strategic evaluation of transforming the law enforcement training center.
I want to thank the college, Chris, and everyone here. Chris, well, there's Alex Chris, maybe make your way to the council.
We'll give it a five minutes just to cool off a bit here. We'll grab a glass of water or coffee here.
So, Heather, we'll do five minutes.
Thank you.
Mr. Mayor, members of council, as you know that in 232 RCMP may be moving out of the province.
And they have pointed a new sheriff that is lots going on in the policing and public safety area in the province.
And I think we are in well, we are well positioned because we initiated earlier what the council has done to put the law enforcement training center.
We have a lot of success in that and now the time has come to transform into a comprehensive multidisciplinary public safety institute.
That's what we're going to present this today to you and seeking for your direction to proceed with this vision.
I brought this three, four weeks ago to council that will be bringing this report today to you and that's what it is here.
Moving forward, we need a phased growth, we need partnerships, we're going to be advocating and lobbying very heavily to the province and the federal government to work towards our academy.
Because we have invested a huge amount into this into this endeavor.
We have spent over four million dollars in the evoctrack. We got a gun range. We got other rooms for training.
We are well positioned for this and I think this is the time that we lobby and start first of all lobbying with our minister and our MLA, honorable Brian Jean.
And get his blessing and then go other areas, so nobody is competing with us. We are in a best position to ensure that academy is established here.
We are covering all angles, not only the peace officer training center, but whatever comes, the opportunities with this RCMP moving or other will do that.
So, basically, our local partner as you know representing today is here from Portage College President Nancy broadband and she will give her views.
But before I go there, we have Chris Manuel, who is the author of this whole project and he will give you some information.
And you have seen this temporary, we made this for you to look at the public safety institute for sure.
But this will be done a little bit better as we go along, but this might today as your time or some other time.
If you want to give some input into this, we will welcome your input. Thank you very much.
And how are you doing?
Before we start Chris, I just wanted to say the grounds here a little bit. This is more or less just an update of the ongoing efforts that we had regarding our enforcement training, the Evoic etc.
So this is largely just the evolution portion of it.
We've had some very good traction overall and growth and this is just and there's some major opportunities out there.
So this is more adapting evolving and trying to capture opportunities, especially what's coming down the line.
And again, this is working that was discussed previously, but here we are with an actual plan of how we're going to be moving forward.
Chris, take it away.
Thank you very much for the introduction there. So you're right. As far as background goes, the law enforcement training center launched as a pilot in 2020 and was made a permanent county department in 2023.
And has proven to be a success during that time significantly investments have been made by the county.
And to create state-of-the-art learning environments that includes scenario based training rooms, modern classrooms, and now the emergency vehicle operations track.
So what we're really looking to do with this plan moving forward in this breed positioning is to leverage that infrastructure for its maximum utilization and return on investment.
And given our current name, which is the Lacklubish County Law Enforcement Training Center, it has carved out in niche and the non-policing law enforcement training market.
That is supporting primarily community piece officers and by law enforcement officers in Alberta, which is a niche that remains and one that we actively are trying to grow and continue to pursue opportunities in.
However, we don't want to cap our growth within that particular niche.
So in stakeholder feedback, when we've gone out in about, I personally attended meetings with various agencies of larger scale, specifically police and agencies along with the former director of the Law Enforcement Training Center.
And it was relayed to us pretty clearly that if we wished to land their agencies as their training provider, that there was concern around the locality and the specificity of our present name as it is.
Because the way they faced it is competing institutions that would provide training to them, have a broader regional or national brand behind them.
And example, that is the Atlantic Police Academy. You know, it's not specific to the summer side PEI where it's located, but it represents a much larger regional area.
And they want to essentially, these agencies, feel as though something with at least a provincial level scope would meet their needs better.
So we took that into account further, when we started to consider areas of supporting others outside of law enforcement such as EMS such as fire.
Again, if you're a firefighter, you probably don't want to take your firefighter training at the Law Enforcement Training Center.
Right, there's some, there's some sensitivities around industry specific description.
So that's where the concept of evolving into a multidisciplinary public safety institute that has still has a law enforcement training center.
But can grow into also having future training centers such as fire training center in the EMS Training Center in conjunction with what portages doing with the EMS program for instance.
The other benefit of the institute model is it's not saying that we, the county or portage have to deliver all of those specific centers or business streams.
It can be done as a partnership, a conglomerate of sorts, to deliver, essentially a larger brand, perhaps with a larger geographical footprint across the province with different campuses perhaps.
And really leverage existing infrastructure. So as many indicated, when conversations are had around what are the gaps in infrastructure.
For new agencies such as the new independent police service.
There will be an opportunity to have a conversation with partners around how can existing infrastructure be leveraged as opposed to creating new infrastructure.
And if new infrastructure, maybe it's not the complete package that's required it can be, it can be pieced a little bit more.
So this model positions us well for that.
We really are proposing not to create a parallel organization to the LATC.
We want to use the LATC as the foundation as a budget.
And it's more of a re-brand effort with the LATC becoming a sub-brand.
I'll just pause there right now and all councils have materials in front of you.
And just before you start the council, when you refer to LATC, that's the lack of efficiency training service.
So just so people understand what we're evolving here.
So go ahead council.
Thank you Mr. Mayor.
And thank you Chris for bringing this up.
I understand what you just said about evolving from LATC to I can't read it without the glasses.
So I'll go to APSI, right? I understand as a firefighter, you don't want to go and train at the law enforcement you want to train.
I 100% agree on that.
And I believe the booklet that you give, it's draft version of it, right?
Yes.
Sorry, it was just intended to be conceptual to provide a vision of what this kind of re-brand looks like.
Yes.
I can't, there's a page number on it, but there's under the fire training, it says,
live well in structure and technical rescue props.
How far down the line do you think you want to have it?
Because right now we don't have it.
We right now go to Athabasca and use the facility.
Technical rescue props, I can't remember.
We did it a very long time back.
We did it.
We used the the Churchill Park for the technical rescue.
We brought the trainers from Edmonton.
So we had that.
But would be nice to have something like that because we will be.
But that's my first question is when in future you see that.
How far future down the line do you see?
Would you include a wildlife urban interface?
Because now we have the third team and the province.
So would you be considering that as well?
So that we are, you know, we are not the same.
Burning facility as the others provide.
Right.
So to answer the question through the mayor.
The first phase is really leveraging all of our existing infrastructure into supporting training activities that can be delivered to.
And we continue to do that.
There are those two we will be able to create an email.
That's all I can talk about.
If we have five issues in the start of training activities.
If we have another, I can talk about what the number that we have.
I'll tell you, and we will come back to my question.
And I believe the second question will be.
A few of the next questions.
So we will talk about this in the direction of the decision.
So in the end of the second question.
We will talk about the second question.
I've beenี้.
In fact, we will be doing the second question.
So we will talk about the second question.
the revenue source, sorry, the funding sources, that could support that.
It's certainly not envisioned that the county shoulder all that, and that is again where
the partnership piece will really play into this.
We are cognizant that, you know, Vermillion has their fire training academy.
We under this model are not looking to create a competition between us and nearby post-secondary
interest institutes with, we actually see it as a collaboration and where can we feel gaps
that they are not doing.
An excellent example is the Wildland Urban Interface stuff.
So as you have mentioned, the county received provincial funding to stand up a team to
do Wildland Urban Interface.
No, a huge part of their mandate is to deliver training on Wildland Urban Interface.
So again, we can leverage our location and our infrastructure and now expertise that we're
developing to expand that to others.
Thank you very much for that, Chris.
My other question for you on this handout is, under your dining and shopping under local favorites,
we have a name of a business, I believe, which if somebody looks at it, they'll say, is county endorsing
a business.
So I think we should remove the name of the business.
Again, that's my opinion, because we weren't, if there's a name, then everybody will say, why not
our name, right?
So just to, that's my opinion, and that's my, my apologies, that was the intent we actually had another
name, the business under shopping that we removed.
I just, I oversaw, sorry, I missed that piece.
Thank you very much, Chris.
Thank you, you didn't carry on, or is there, so I guess at this point, maybe I'll just
let Nancy say a few words, and if there's any further questions, I'll be happy to answer.
Okay, thank you, Mayor and Council, for the time on this project.
It's been a labor of love, as you know, for a number of years, between the college and the
enforcement center, and really we signed an MOU a number of years ago about the college
being more involved, and I think we're actually at that maturity level where it's time.
I think for us to look at further partnerships on the project.
So up to now, it's been growing on its own, and I think being new was kept in a very kind of
controlled environment, which is quite different from a college environment.
So anyway, I myself and our VP academic and research have also been at all the steering
committee meetings to hear, I guess, the breadth of needs that are both current and anticipated
with the new police force, should it come to be?
And the other people that have been at the meeting has been left-bridge college, who has enforcement
training that's at a diploma level.
So the conversations that we...
We've been having is to try to create a different product. I'll call it that. For the Alberta Marketplace,
where we start rather than as left-bridge does, where they start with a real conceptual and theoretical framework.
The graduates then go out and get enforcement training, like we offer in the peace officers, what I'll call the hands-on, technical training afterwards.
And what we've been talking about is instead of that, we would build our curricula to recognize the existing training that folks have.
And then build the training model as a further development for people that we already know are interested in the training.
So, in other words, anyone that has gone through the peace officer gets some sort of advanced standing into a diploma with the college, and we add on those theoretical and conceptual frameworks so that they can graduate with a diploma.
So, thinking about pathways of individuals starting at a very technical, I guess, on the street to put in the car kind of training to somebody that could then be managing those operations for municipalities through additional training.
And then we've also talked about then looking for a partner that could leverage what we create in a diploma into a degree of sorts.
So, the college would be in the pathway, I guess, of the training.
And of course, in that, then that requires us to get much more engaged in the quality assessments of the teaching and all that as part of the pathway, which it's good.
Don't get me wrong, but it just needs to be mapped out.
And then the other piece that we've talked about from the beginning of the MOU is the college getting much more involved in helping with the recruitment of learners, I'll call them in this case.
And the registration and certificate granting, but then also being able to follow up with people because in this field, as in others, there's certain skills that you need to get enhanced and re-certified, right, as they expire in time.
Where we're out on that is that the college currently is implementing an ERP system, so we can't even do that ourselves in an automated way at this point.
But it's our intention to build in the needs for that for this training to also be incorporated.
And then when that is in, I think there'll be a really self-serve model where people can self-register, pay, follow up on their certificates, that kind of thing.
So we're really talking about that administrative piece that we had talked about from the beginning.
And then the other I think advantage of us remaining at the table is part of the original vision was rather than building more and more facilities.
We would actually use the lacklubish campus of the college facility.
So when we tried to do that initially, there were concerns about certain things that happened in the program, one of which is the firearm safety.
And so I think now we're at a stage where we've kind of figured out how could that work in partnership. So that's really why I'm here is to talk about certainly I was also there and heard the need and the evolving needs that are happening.
I've been involved in conversations with Mike Ellis about the college's role and others.
And I think we're at that level where we could start to vision what's the future now based on the success that we've had in the past.
So that's kind of why I'm here is just to answer any questions on that.
No, thank you for the answer on the one.
Thank you for the question.
In our question and it's just common. Thank you very much for bringing that up and it's glad I'm glad to see that the collaboration between the county and the college towards a common goal.
It's great to see that and I'm also glad to see at the end of the page.
Chris is that is just saying lacklubish county, you wrote lacklubish region has to offer.
So which is great, right? It's just the region we are promoting the region.
Thank you for doing that but glad to see what's coming up to the end goal. Thank you.
Can you anticipate it?
Yeah, appreciate you coming by Nancy and I appreciate the words that came out of your mouth.
It was always my vision when this first started up to college.
Had a huge role to play in this and I'm glad to see it coming to fruition because
Anyway, here it heard me talk about this is okay.
Well, we shouldn't be building classrooms.
We should be utilizing the college or, you know, we don't need administration to college should be providing that.
Even, you know, I know the colleges trying to find out where even their housing is getting at the end of life.
What is the housing look like with 20 students full time all year from from the training rate?
So, you know, the college has a huge role to play in this.
It has to be a major partner in it.
And I'm glad from what you're saying today that we're realizing that as a burden and saying, okay, we have a huge role to play in partnership with this.
And I just want to, of course, I'm always about marketing.
I'm just now and we've talked about this before to Nancy that the college has to play a role in marketing it.
I think you also with with with lacklubish county and and what does that look like?
Obviously, you have to have those conversations and figure out what that looks like.
But it's all in a marketing and and and what the province has announced with the provincial police force lacklubish will play a huge role into that and
what will that evolve into and how will it, how will it put economic development into lacklubish county is is yet to be determined.
But we got to hit the road.
We got to be at the conferences.
We got to be out to trade shows and we got to market the hell out of this.
So I'm hoping that you're on board with that Nancy and and and helping helping out and just you know,
propelling us into, you know, I call it the next phase right.
So so we'll see how that all pans out in the end, right?
Can't support it.
Go ahead.
So I'm I'm on board with anything that's enforcement because we've already been going down that road.
We're already well known for that.
The name change isn't seem to be much.
It's going to be raining.
We know it's going to cost a couple hundred grand.
What's the rest of this going to cost?
I got a bunch of all that you like we don't you're asking us to you know, kind of push this through, but there's no money attached to it.
I have no idea what this is going to cost our taxpayers.
So as first 2025's concerned, there shouldn't be any additional cost outside of what the existing LATC's budget allocation is.
We believe it can be absorbed because as was indicated, we're not jumping into delivering.
We're not building any new infrastructure and we're not delivering.
I mean, that we're not I guess already resource to deliver.
Any growth will come about as a result of future budget submissions to which appropriate, you know, business plan and in justification will have to be presented to council.
And you know, what the source is, whether it's a budget ask on the college side for programming.
One thing I want to be clear on is although we talk about this this multidisciplinary approach and we have the parent umbrella.
We don't envision the county in the county itself being the delivery agent of all of these programs and services.
We again see this as a greater umbrella to put partnerships with so for instance, you know, it's not unforeseen that.
Lake land college and their fire academy couldn't fall under that fire stream and deliver that infrastructure in that training under one common umbrella.
What the common umbrella allows us to do as was mentioned with left bridge college.
Presently I would say the province is split north in south around who's delivering these services left bridges in the south and also in the north.
Instead of us being in a competitive model.
I think there's opportunity that both of us have had opportunity to discuss at different times of different people around being.
Collaborative where perhaps they're able to provide academics and we can provide the hard skills to which they don't provide and.
It's really going to be sure enough those relationship pieces, but just get back to the original question for 2025.
We believe the existing LATC budget will get us through 2025 and.
You know, it will provide us the base for 2026 as well.
There will always at budget submission be some options as to which strategic direction the.
The.
We are preliminary there because one of the things is we are striking up a strategic work in group with portage college.
And through that process in the coming months will have a much better idea of what 2026 will look like.
At this point we can't say that.
You know, we have a specific ask.
Okay.
So this presentation's a lot better than the written documentation that you gave us.
Because my first question when I read it was why are we competing with the college for rooms?
Why are we competing with vermillion college for fire?
Why are we competing with Bonnieville and Athabasca for a fire tower?
And then you said in person here were not competing.
So this description of this like this is much better than what went out on the agenda.
So I do appreciate the clarity in that because I really could not understand why we would be building rooms that the college already has that are.
Yeah, it's a regular when we just built our own.
For two different things, but really they could be.
Cross shared right you can do an EMS scenario in the campsite as well as an enforcement service in the back alley.
That's right.
So that's right.
But in in your right up it.
It it feels very competitive.
Right.
Because I spent the day.
We're reading up on where's fire structures in Alberta, right?
And vermillion read your Brooks bulk and vermillion hint in Athabasca Bonnieville just to name a few.
Why would we why would we do more.
So I guess thank you for that clarity.
That and that fire is.
In the future future future future future because we were told very explicitly when we passed
the Evoque that Evoque would not be for fire 100% was told it was not for fire and now we're bringing fire in.
And so that location I don't believe it that we don't have fire flow to it.
It wouldn't I don't leave that it would be a solid suit for a fire tower.
To close the residences to close the businesses.
No fire flow.
So to me, you're with your ask for or your plan for a fire tower and other.
We would need more land.
So that's another ask.
That is not laid out in either your speech here today or in this document.
In my in my views.
And again, you know, good observation.
The within the report.
I probably focus too much on strategic partnership and terminology like that without.
Clearly defining what it is.
Some of that was intentional in that we haven't had the conversation yet with with Lake Land College and in their fire academy and those sort of things.
But.
Yes, very much so.
There will have to be a and more detailed and nuanced approach to those future states.
But those future states really aren't what.
We're here for today today's the biggest thing is.
To move to the.
New.
Parent umbrella.
I guess brand.
Okay.
Council.
Board.
Thank you.
I am.
Yeah.
Thank you Mr. Mayor.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Chris.
As well as council more.
I really appreciate your presentation today.
So clear up a lot of my questions.
I had on there because my very first question on there was 25.
I've lost.
Some.
When you said well or no cost and you know future.
Stuff will be discussed at budgetary meetings.
That's what they're for.
So very happy about that.
And Nancy.
I was as well as council party your word on collaboration.
That's what it's all about.
Yeah.
This is very preliminary.
But for me it's you know it's going to continue to put us on the map.
And we need to sell this as council party said marketing will be very important from now on.
That was my third notes.
So yeah, really happy on the way that you presented today.
Chris there was two or three questions I had here in the gone now.
You answered them.
So thanks.
And I do recognize that in an ideal world we would deliver a detailed business plan on all aspects of this.
That being said as was mentioned a little bit earlier.
We are in a competitive environment as it pertains to particularly the recent announcement of the independent
agency police service meeting that you know I don't want to stall our opportunity to to engage in.
I think by approaching.
Approaching things in this manner we will be strategically positioned to we have a competitive advantage because of the decisions that this council in the one previous.
Now, wait, we don't want to lose that advantage and we want to leverage it.
I don't see any other questions. I just, largely had a comment here. I'm glad we cleared up some of the same question I had, is the collaboration portion of it.
We don't want to be competing or fighting for a, you know, a customer want to be, you know, adding, adding services.
That's right. The calibration portion of it is, is very important. The marketing side of things and selling selling a product that we offer it here is going to be, is going to be second.
You know, let's not forget, we're committed and we're invested into this into the program already.
So there's really no turning back and we have to see that there's, there's the need is actually rising right now. So I, you know, to your point, we got to be out there now.
Like we do, we can't wait. It's people are going to see an opportunity. The other municipalities are already, you know, positioning themselves to do exactly what we're doing.
But in my opinion, we're ahead of the game, we're already recognizing we're already doing existing training.
So we don't have to, we don't have to go and sell an idea. We're selling a product and the, and the programs that we're already offer.
And that being said, the, you know, the college brings a huge, huge component to it as well.
I do like the, the portion of the branding, the branding side of thing or the rebranding.
When you try to lack a vision, forcements services, you know, somebody out of Western or Eastern Canada comes in.
How much credibility does that have, you know, but having, let's say, Alberta Public Safety Institute,
credit, you know, certificate from, from a more credible source or Alberta brand to it.
It gives it that much more credibility. And as I think it'll be easier to market and easier to sell as well.
And it gives you more flexibility to brand or branch off as needed with to to collaborate with, like the leg minister, etc.
So I think we're on the right track on a final thought is going to be the management structure.
Who does what I think that needs to be defined very clearly? There's, you know, there's the training aspect of it.
There's the, you see, there's the books and then there's the physical training.
There's also the managing of the business itself.
Right.
Somebody's got to be other managing this operation. I mean, we're trying to grow it and so forth.
So we can't depend on the same individual to train, then manage, then do books, etc.
So, you know, this will evolve and the management management structure has to be, you know, struck,
I'd say established very quickly. And the marketing side of it, there's four components here.
The overall manager, the, the, the soft training, the physical training and also the marketing side.
And one thing that is critically important for us moving forward is to,
with that management structure, make it so not any one person in the loss of any one person for whatever reason may happen,
that the organization is able to continue to grow and evolve.
And it's just a natural point in evolution.
Yeah, agreed. Just, again, a management structure of who does what and what they're focused on to continue building this.
But what I believe is a very successful model and there's opportunities are there.
So we got to get in front of the right people.
Yes.
Thank you for that. If there's anything further carry on.
Okay. Well, if council is ultimately a supportive of proceeding, we have proposed a number of motions.
I'll leave it up to council determine whether any of them are for all of them are relevant, but perhaps we're ready to move to that.
I, I still would like to see something what this, what this plan would look like built out in a budget.
Okay.
One to five years five to ten years.
I think that's pretty important before we make any further decisions.
I mean, like I said, we know that rebranding is going to cost a couple hundred grand.
And we are known across Canada.
We've had new brands like people here at BC. We've presented in Toronto.
So like, I'm not really, I understand your, your want for rebrand. I'm not really sold on it at this point.
But I, before I can say, you know, go, I really think that it's proved to have some sort of a budget plan ahead of time.
Okay.
And we do continue to plan, sorry, we plan to continue with that existing brand, but that brand just sits under a paragraph.
Just there's, there's going to be budget to our, to our five year plan. And like any other, we have five year plans for roads, we have five year plans for parks, we have five year plans for community centers.
So this, this really doesn't seem like much further out, but a much larger ask.
And to be honest, Edmund was against this five months ago and now all four explosion of the process now, which I'm all for, like I have always been behind this program.
I just, I would like to see some numbers details.
Thank you, council boarder.
Perhaps council or more?
Just suggesting you could draft some kind of motion.
Yeah.
Protecting your idea and it could be number five, then we could proceed today.
If that makes sense to you.
Yeah.
Absolutely. I would like to see some numbers. Thank you.
Just a thought council.
More is option one with just to add just identified budgetary implications perhaps something to that effect.
Yeah.
Is that a statement?
Heather, is that we can add something for a budgetary to bring back?
Thank you.
I think that's a really, really training hub based on lack of a business will, as well as bring back or bring a budget.
Yep.
Implications isn't anything.
I like to take up on here.
So there would, that'll be a subsequent motion or this one first and then.
Yeah, that might be a little more.
Or this is the only one.
If I can have this motion that we are going to get money back and get funds plans back, then I'd be happy to proceed with the others because one does not proceed with the other in my mind.
We need to know what this is going to cost.
So just to be clear.
Go ahead person just trying to.
The intent would be on this motion that we essentially hit pause until we've returned with the budget plan correct.
I mean, are we in that much of a rush that we can't have an idea of what budget looks like?
No, and we can make, I mean, if it's council's.
Pervy, we can certainly do it.
It's not a.
I mean, I feel like if you've gone this far into.
There's some ideas.
I mean, and then you've got to have some kind of a cost analysis.
So as far as free brand that specific question there when I've mentioned within the 2025 budget that's allocated.
We've accounted for that sounds good.
So what about the next five years?
So we hadn't planned to do a five year budget submission at this point.
So that would be a significant delay.
And the reason that would be a significant delay is because we still have to execute that.
to do that strategic plan in conjunction with Portos College and others around what those future
states look like.
We can give you a budget for 2025 on the LATC side of the House as to, sorry, not 25, but
for 2026.
It's already in preparation as part of the council, as part of council's fall budget deliberations.
I think as far as the bigger picture, I think we'd be able to provide that shadow
budget within that fall budget deliberation, but that to give you actual meaningful information,
which is what you're seeking, I think it's going to be the fall budget deliberations, realistically.
So, perhaps, friendly amendment here is if we take option one to direct administration
proceed with establishing the Alberta Public Safety Institute to serve as a comprehensive
multidisciplinary training hub based on lack of a wish, can you bring back a previous
motion, I was just about to read it there, the one I was on the screen, yeah, and to bring
forward the budget plan related to the strategic vision of this presented for the law enforcement
training to a future council meeting.
It just basically includes that whatever we're doing has to be budget oriented, but we don't want
to hit pause right now, because we don't want to go backwards.
We're so far into it right now, we can't pause it at this time.
Part of the reason that I'm pushing branding quicker than then 2026 is we are at a point in Alex
can confirm this for me, but my understanding is we've depleted a number of our branding
resources.
So, we use shoulder flashes and different branded items that we have to place order for and
Alex had asked me, if we were going to do a rebrand, there's no point in printing a bunch
of materials and a bunch of marketing materials and those sorts of things that aren't going
to have the additional benefit of the new brand.
So, that was part of our rationale behind is just limiting the amount of kind of throwaway
costs that we have.
And this is all within the 25 budget.
Within our new would be again budgeted later, council committee will come some more you want to
finish this.
So, I just now confused.
I thought we weren't, that this brand is not going away, so it would not would it not be still
where would it be used if it's not going away.
The current brand that we've got is that your two statements have just confused me.
So, there's a strategic place for specific lane, I'll give you an example, if I'm going out
and I'm marketing at a trade show, I'm marketing the bigger picture, I'm marketing the
Alberta Public Safety Institute and we will have a pamphlet that might identify that we're
have the law enforcement training center and this is courses that are made available in the upcoming
once and a year, but we still are able to sell the other components that we are offering
outside of just that niche.
So, it's likely a missed opportunity if, but, you know, it's a number of months, so it's really,
you know, I'll take council's lead on whatever approaches, be most prepared.
So, I think for their, like, we're, the law enforcement training, the logos that are there on
the vehicles and everything, they're not going away.
They're just part of the umbrella court that the worst establishing right now.
Right.
So, we don't need to order new flashings because we have signs.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That was my point of brawb.
Thank you very much.
Council.
The branding that we have right now on uniforms is all lack of a centric and it's causing is a problem
particularly in a 2A26.
We have been speaking, and I don't want to mention the names and open form here.
We've been speaking to a couple of police services.
We hadn't taken over some of their recruit training.
That conversation would happen for a while.
We're branding our current class as community professors with lack of a county logos on them.
That was probably a money savings exercise so that we didn't have to have multiple different
branding, depending on where the individual is training and where they were going to geographically
for their deployment as a piece officer.
The situation that's brought us now is we've depleted those hot badges, we've depleted
a lot of those washed items and I'm at the point now I need to order more for these upcoming
classes.
If I order and I don't know if anybody's ordered this stuff before but when you order it, when
you're getting metal made, when you're getting patches made, you have to order a lot, right?
You can't order 10 or 20, they're in the hundreds and that takes us in thousands of dollars.
My wish was if there was a brand changing, if there was, as moving away from the geographic
lack of a business branding on everything to a more generic law enforcement training center,
wherever the umbrella would be, the council approves as the parent company that I don't want
to get another large sum of money spent on lack of a business branding when our desire is not
to have lack of a business branding as the focal point and everything because it definitely
localizes, it makes us very regional and doesn't attract us much for the further afield to
your point.
Councilor Moor, you mentioned that we have people from other jurisdictions before.
They have all been around that piece officer world and our expansion is very much into that
policing world, especially with the direction of the province is taking.
So my discussion with the CEO and Chris with this was if we are doing this rebrand, I need
to order stuff soon and if we want to push to that market, to that bigger picture of that
provincial policing, to that contracted policing, to where they're training takes place, as well
as these other agencies that we've been speaking to, now is the right time within the budget
to only spend the money once and do the LECC logo on or uniform on or vehicles on or
So that we're not buying all this lack of service stuff again, using that, and then we know that that's causing
a problem with our stakeholders. We're not attracting the business that we could because of that
very much local branding. The time just seemed right if we are spending the money. We do need
this stuff and there's a branding imminent change, and that was my ask if we could do that sooner
later than later, so that I do have people with half a uniform on as we're coming up.
Subdition equations.
Thank you.
Many.
This is very important.
Council.
I think when I came here, it looks like there was a lot of emphasis on bringing
training center to the level that this is economic growth for our community, and so
market as much as you can. So training center, at least TC, has already has a great success.
But the timing right now to me going at a higher level is so crucial that they have pointed
a share of for Alberta for policing. If we are not in the game at this time at the political
table, then I think, last time I was, I think we were concerned about Beaumont coming
or somebody else coming in. Right now we have invested millions of dollars in this thing.
We're ready to go as far as the budget going moving forward needs some more consultation
to prepare. There might be government might have some money to put into if they decide who
will be the next player. All I think at this time, we need your blessing to move ahead with discussing
sort of we are at the table, so our MLA, on a branching, can talk to Honourable Mike
Alice, so we do not miss out our what we have done. We don't lose our assets, our investment
into this endeavor. And I will caution council to slow it down. And if you don't approve this
today, then we have nothing to do in lobbying. We have nothing to do any other than we do
over normal training. So basically, if the decisions are made otherwise by the province or anybody else,
I guess that's what I think you should take into consideration when you're making this decision.
And is there any, there's a numbers thrown around about 200,000 branding and stuff like this?
We do not know what we will look like once we get provinces blessing. We just want to sit on the table
to say, we are in this game. Would you give us your blessing? We are not even asking anything from the
province, because we invested so much money. We just want the province to consider that we are the North Academy.
And it could be if it just only is peace officer training so be it, but at least what we are proposing here is public
training. I don't know what more branding we need. We will need, you know, branding unless the province
says this doesn't fit the some criteria. But my request to council is its economic development initiative.
We even made the brochure to look like it's a academy because our fire hall doesn't look like it's a academy.
So when they see it outside, we already have a college. We got the building, we got the gymnasium, we got the dining room, we got the housing.
It's a full-fledged thing and that's where I think I request council to just approve the lobbying part to stay in the thing.
If you don't want to approve the whole business plan, thank you.
No, I understand. And just keep in mind, we do have a public hearing. So if this is going to continue on perhaps we can take it up again and after lunch.
I see councilor Johnson has a question, councilor Pity, and we already have all the public input delegation here.
So if we can defer this discussion a little further to after lunch and we'll take out the public hearing.
I think that there's a few more questions here and it's going to take another 20 minutes or so.
If we can, we can interject, I appreciate it, guys.
Yeah, so we'll come back and we'll take this up again.
And I appreciate council Johnson. We'll come back to you as soon as we're done with this.
So with, we do have the 12, it is eight after 12 here already. So we do have a public input session.
Typically scheduled for 12 o'clock, I understand that there is a delegation that was registered.
I guess I'll read this, the script and we'll get right into it.
So the purpose of a public input session is to provide members of the public with an opportunity to comment and provide
information, a council on matters relevant to lacklubish county.
These matters should exclude those bylaws or resolutions that require council to hold a public hearing in accordance with section 216.4 of the municipal government act.
We have one registered speaker. Other individuals will be called upon on the first come first serve basis.
Please identify yourself before speaking.
Ian Kluche is registered with the power of association board, I would say.
The public input session is scheduled for total of 30 minutes unless council has passed the resolution to extend a lot of time.
Each presenter shall be limited to five minutes.
Ian, if you want to step up, we're going to go first.
I just have a couple of concerns and I've sent you folks some emails and I did get a follow-up.
And the reason why I'm here is I take issue with democratic process not being followed.
And I was certain to send my email to you all because I wanted it in print that what my concern was.
I had attended a golf course tournament here in the, at the course on the 10th of July.
It was hosted by, I think the major sponsor was Lacklubish county, the college, the health foundation.
Before the tournament started, I overheard the CAO being guided by a staff member.
The staff member made it very clear to the CAO that he could not go outside of his jurisdiction.
And what I overheard was that the staff member said this particular discussion needs to go to council.
It was about roadwork being done outside of our jurisdiction.
I took issue with that because it is outside of our jurisdiction.
I take issue with it because we are extended in our spending.
And I take issue when discussions like that are occurring at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I sent the follow up email which you all received and I did so because of my concern.
Again, I don't take issue with our neighbors building their infrastructure.
I'm happy to see that.
Everybody needs to develop things for their communities.
Again, I take issue with us being outside of our lane.
And I take issue with our CAO.
I question his integrity.
And I question those around that do not follow the democratic process.
They're integrity.
When I see things like this happen, it brings to my attention that I question how many personal interests are being stickandled.
By our CAO.
I question those stickandling of personal interests.
How extended we are outside of our budget.
We do budget planning, we do budget preparation.
And when we step outside of that budget, it's us the taxpayers that have to pay for this.
Our county needs high pressure lift stations for water haulers to help our customers pass on the savings.
We need proper infrastructure in case there's fires or fire hydrants.
Like view states is a perfect example where we have so many low pressure hydrants.
We have so many other things that we can fix.
Our cut across road should all be paved.
We have issues with people calling, complaining about snow clearing.
I myself had my personal challenges.
I had a unique situation this winter.
And yet we're outside of our lane.
We need to fix our own backyard before we attempt to fix others.
And we should also keep in mind federal land claims and many other things.
But again, I'm going to go back to my issue, democratic process and integrity.
What you do with this information is up to you.
But that's what I witnessed.
And I'm the kind of person if I see something wrong, I will bring it to the forefront.
The rest is up to you.
Election or not.
Campaigning or not.
What's right is right.
That's all I have to say.
I thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Have a show in here.
Come on up.
Good afternoon folks.
A little brighter note.
Sean McDonald, president of the Palo Association of History and Mystery Include
Save my treasure.
We just come to give you a big thank you for supporting the Palo
Coming up in that.
It's going to be good weather and we offer some guests for you.
Our first round of glasses for 2025 for the Palo Association.
So if you don't mind, needle past was out.
And we just come to give our thanks and hope to see you all out there.
Have a good weather or not.
What you put into glasses is up to you.
I don't drink unless you want water.
I'll drink with you.
Well, thank you for that.
Sure.
No, not coins this year.
We'll talk on that for next year.
It's been a big endeavor for this year.
Even even bigger and better.
Yeah.
So that's it.
I'll see you.
You guys have no words.
I'm much appreciated.
Maybe since since you are here.
Maybe just as a quick update.
Just to as things are still progressing well.
Very well.
Yeah.
All the aspects.
I said on all three, of course.
And one day Palo is coming along.
Palo is coming along.
Same with Palo itself.
Perfect.
Yeah.
So we'll do another Sundance.
Make sure we're going to have good weather.
Yeah.
No problem.
Yeah.
So it's much appreciated.
Another amount of work it takes.
And all the people involved in all the groups.
And so for social media that people are working together.
Yeah.
Hopefully.
Sounds good.
Can't wait.
Appreciate the support.
Thank you.
There you go.
And I was there for public input, correct?
I appreciate it.
So with that, maybe let's finish off the enforcement training.
The enforcement training portion of it.
And we'll we'll we'll take lunch.
Did the Chris and Alex take off her?
Unless if, if the guys are going for lunch or something, maybe we could just break,
I don't know if there's even any lunch being brought today, which is the break for 30 minutes.
Take our recess.
We haven't had any today's and then resume and just finish off the day.
Okay.
Hey, um.
So let's do that, or here they are, everybody is here. Okay. Okay, we'll finish this in.
Yeah. So we'll resume, we'll finish this item and then we'll break for lunch. But yeah, let's finish off where we left off before the public input.
So there was a Councillor Pate and Councillor Johnson had there, some questions, Councillor Pate, go ahead.
Yeah, I'll be brief. I just thought, re-brand would be necessary before you go into the fall conferences and try and sell a product to all the municipalities at AU and Army.
I think you should re-brand before you try and sell a product in the fall. So that's why I would say this would be critical to do this re-brand before you try and sell it in the fall.
Yeah. Thank you.
So, no agreed. I think time is of the essence, you know, there's only the next few couple months, even weeks.
So let's say that we, you know, we need to get this information out to all the new ministers and all the new chiefs that was selected and so we've got to get these letters out to as soon as possible.
So we can't wait for a two month, three month of a budget deliberation. We have to get these letters out to the stakeholders immediately, in other words.
As soon as we can, you know, physically possible. So I think the, you know, in that corporate structure, I think works for the evolution and the growth of the overall, I think branding is really important.
I think somebody to come here, go through all the training process and might be a contingent of, say, especially with collaboration, if we're working with numerous partners,
that branding is hard to sell when you have a lack of this title on it. So some would not even accept it as perhaps in the negotiation.
Anyway, Councillor Johnson, you had your hand up if you go ahead with your question.
Yes.
I just wanted to say I think rebounding is a good thing.
But the other thing is, you should have a budget. Like, you've got to know what you want to do.
And we should have a value, whether it's 100,000 or 200,000 to get the ball rolling right off the bat and then come to council.
As part of the budget process of what the next three years looks like, I know you guys are under the gun.
I know we had to change in management there and, you know, where you got to settle in.
But you have to have a number. Like, we just don't write blank checks because you want to do something.
That's not how we do it in council. So put a number in this motion and they can get their supplies and they can bring back what the local looks like.
Or that sort of thing for council, spread it around, we can agree on that.
And the way we go. But you have to have a number, you can't come to council without a plan of what you want to do.
Like nobody does that. So you got to get after it and you got to give us what you're doing.
And you got to have a number with what you want for rebranding right away.
And then like Charlene said, bring us back the plan on a long term.
Like is this a $10 million project or is it a $10 million project?
I don't want to get stuck year after year every six months saying we need more money.
We need more money because you don't have a plan.
Thank you, Chris.
Yeah. So we see it in two parts.
The first part is a budget associated to branding activities.
And then a budget associated to the future activities of the year two, three, four of the public safety institute.
The budget for the branding.
We had fully anticipated to absorb within our current operating budget.
Zero budget ask from council for additional funds.
Right now. However, we do not have a number.
And that will be a fall activity related to those additional years.
So then in a nutshell, there's no budget request for the new outfits or the branding portion of it.
And you will bring back a budget for operational that the two, three, five year outlook.
Yeah, Mr. Mayor, those supplies were required.
Those were already part of the budget.
It's just what branding should they be?
Should they be lacklubish branding?
They should be the LECC branding under the umbrella of the operational safety institute.
Okay.
So I guess the motion still works as written.
I think that just gives you exactly what we just outlined.
Secondly is the branding that will look like.
Can we see that perhaps the next meeting of what you're going to be ordering?
It's a matter of just knowing what we're getting.
Okay.
So yeah, and you can even send that over email.
And then we can officially maybe present it in the next council meeting.
So thank you.
So we have a motion.
The motion is to direct administration proceed with establishing the Alberta public safety institute to serve as a comprehensive multi-disciplinary training hub.
Based in lacklubish and to further bring forward a budget plan related to the strategic vision.
Update presenting for the law enforcement training center to a future council meeting.
I think that hits the nail on both fronts.
So.
Let's go ahead and vote.
Hello, we'll just vote manually in here.
Thank you.
Motion carried unanimously.
Thank you guys.
I think.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Perfect.
Okay.
Thank you.
So.
Thank you everyone.
So we don't have much on the agenda remaining.
So we'll reconvene the one o'clock.
We'll take last two one.
Thank you.
Let's go. Thank you. Okay, welcome back, everyone. We'll move on. We have only one item left on the open session
agenda, and I know I will go into close session for a period here. But 8.6 is the Chief Administrative
officer update many.
Take it away. Mr. Mayor, members of council, I have six items to deal with. And maybe I will start with the first one, if with your permission, if it's okay, is the agriculture report. And let me go over that with you if that's okay with council.
So yesterday there was a memo given to you by Randy DuPars about this thing. This agriculture disaster and conditions updated for survey.
I just want to mention to council that there is a, this issue started two, two, three days ago with a phone call at 6.30 in the morning.
And since that it has been going on, but we have sent also council on the Friday email, which said, which gave this guidelines, which is prepared by RMA.
And these guidelines actually put out all the process, how to declare a disaster. So I think those guidelines, you have a link in there.
But according to that guideline, droughts, severity, affected crops, feedback, feedback for our producers is required. So based on the current conditions and data, we don't think,
we are at a point that where we will declare disaster. However, that data is actively being compiled. So far we have the deadline is July 28th. So far we have about 21 survey recipients and 76% of them are going for the disaster.
So this is just the latest news as of today. And moving further, the agriculture service board will review the results after they come and then will provide to council.
If on 28th, it's really, really, and that's where I need your guidance and advice. If there's lots of survey, say, it's an urgency, then I'll advise the mayor.
And it's up to you, Mr. Mayor, if you want to call a special council meeting or whatever. So I will leave it at that, but we will deal with ASP also in the meantime.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry, man. I was writing down stuff here. I missed a number. You said how many folks you've contacted already.
Thank you. We've reached up to about 200 producers and we've heard back from 21 of them and 76% of those 21 respondents have voted in favor.
I have the 76%. Yes, that's the first sign. Okay. Thanks a bunch.
So one thing we want to clarify for public, that it's a common misconception that municipal declaration declaration by municipality of agriculture disaster will lead to provincial declaration or unlock access to funding.
So in reality, this is not the case. Well, municipal declarations help raise awareness of challenges within a specific region.
They do not initiate a provincial response or provide access to related funding program. However, in the meantime, we also, where do the, if people say, where do I go right now?
Because I want to know because I don't have a disaster on my hands. So they can deal with their insurance, which is AFSC, which is agriculture finance services corporation and they can deal with them at the same time.
And our supports are available at like water trailer pumps and the service equipment for rotational grazing and water access. So that's where we are at this time, Mr. Mayor, if there's any further information I can give you or the public, we can gather that information pass it on to you.
Council Johnson, you have a question. Yeah, I just wanted to add to this that a lot of the hanging operations aren't complete yet and we'll be complete within the next group, you know, five, five, six days, something like that.
So initially, like we see crops being just about normal on the south side of of La clavish down Highway 36, it looks like they're really good and we got feedback from there that they're just about normal.
And then on a north side by all river and towards the Russian village and stuff, there's 30% down. So we have a wide track once again and the big thing we're going to run into again is our weather stations that we wanted to put in, they didn't get approved by the government yet.
There's still mulling them over and working through this system. So we'll be judged by the tower up in the one down in Rich Lake and one in La clavish. So when we review all the precipitation and everything, it'll probably be like other years where, you know, we won't catch the different areas where there is drought.
And it makes it tougher to to declare or get funding, you know what I mean. So so there's a lot to it, but I just want to stress that we don't have all the data in yet from the farmers, we're looking for more data.
Brennan and Alana are working hard to gather up as much other information as they can, we're just not there yet.
And I think once we get more respondents of what they've actually got for hay and stuff like that, then we can make a decision with the eggboard with the producers and what the producers are hearing and that's what the eggboard is for.
Then we can ask council to declare, but right now I don't think we're quite there yet with all the information that we need.
And we just need a little bit more time to make sure that we get enough respondents and not just remote few in one area or something like that.
Thank you, Councilor Borgon.
Thank you, Councilor Johnson. So true what you just said about different folks have different.
I guess they're determining what is happening in the fields, because I know on miss of all we side, Councilor Patti lives.
Folks are talking to me there and they have no hay, the grasshoppers have eaten everything.
Their crops are next and nothing yet way on the other side where you were talking about that.
But you're so right about the weather stations if we had those in place, we could have determined this way easier.
I just have a question for administration.
I'm wondering if we'll be able to take this back to the August 12 meeting.
Would that be sufficient, Randy?
Yes.
The survey as mentioned will be closed by July 28th.
So August 28th.
We'll just tell you about I don't think these others knew.
Yes.
So July 28th and then we'll bring it back after.
Okay. Good. That's awesome.
Thanks.
So regarding this obviously this is there is some urgency behind this.
There's some serious concern being raised by farmers.
The 28th is fair.
It's only a few days away that you'll have the survey back.
If needed as many had mentioned, we can do a special council meeting.
But the survey will show that.
And again, August 12th gives us lots of time.
But in the meantime, let's, you know, the messages we hear to concern.
We're doing the due diligence.
Let's get the survey.
And whatever the results of it, council will act according to them.
Then we're not going to wait if we have to do something sooner.
We're not going to wait till the 12th of August.
So I just want to make sure it's point made to go ahead.
Just want to mention one more thing too.
Like in the meantime, not only are we reaching out to producers to gather data,
but we're also reaching out to them to let them know what supports are available in the meantime.
So not only just reaching out to them directly,
but we're creating social media posts.
So a lot is working on that right now.
So letting them know what we can do in the meantime.
So we're not just waiting.
Although we don't need to wait for a declaration of disaster anyways.
Because that doesn't come with anything as discussed.
But yeah, we're keeping the communication open.
Thank you.
Yeah, and I was going to just say like as soon as a lot of feels comfortable with all the information that we can share at the ESP.
We'll we'll make sure that we get a meeting going right away.
And discuss it and then give a recommendation like two council before.
You know what I mean?
And then it's up to you Mr. Mayor, whether you want to call a special council meeting or not.
But as soon as Len and Brennan are done with their portion of the work.
And we feel confident in in what the recommendations are and the producers are comfortable with what we find.
Then we will definitely call a meeting right away and we'll handle this ASAP.
Thank you.
And likewise, we'll act accordingly in the based on the data we receive.
Thank you.
So.
Mr. Mayor, the second thing is about to show you how our values is about financing and investment.
How our investments are coming.
Do you at certain times and how our manager of finances right watching and investing.
So I would like our manager of finance to give you a little report on that and see if council is an agreement with that.
Thank you Mr. Mayor, members of council. I just have a quick update.
We have some idle cash that's coming in just because of our second debentures on our new aquatic center and our second debenture on our main stream.
And with taxes just rule and in.
So I will be we have about 70 million dollars in idle cash right now till the end of.
Until all these projects are pretty much wrapped up. My goal is to do some short term investments.
I had originally budgeted $2 million for return on investments.
I've already hit that mark.
Mid year. So my goal is to double it for the end of the year.
I know as we mentioned to council during last during when we presented our 2024 financial statements.
All of that extra surplus on return on investments we got to transfer that into reserves and help build that up and finish all those projects we did this year.
So I guess just a little information.
Council that I will be doing some more short term investments from now until the end of the year.
Our typical RFP process does occur around October but I didn't want to wait until then.
As we could be making money right now.
And that's about it.
Thank you. Thank you. I think that's we'll do that every year.
So we just continue to watch closely and make it work.
Appreciate it.
Good job.
$5 million last year.
So we're two and a half. Sorry, I don't know.
So Mr. Mayor and members of council the next item is housing study is underway.
It's just initiated last week and I would respectfully ask your engagement and how would you like.
Should I have the consultant coming meet with you at one.
Sorry, would you like individual context when the time comes.
I think my thought would be is once you have something coming.
We'll put it on the agenda and present the council whether it's in in some fashion.
I was thinking if they can give you how they're going to go about the study then at least you can say what.
Maybe they're not covering you can give them input that way.
So we can have maybe on August 12 for them to come and give you overview and then at least you know what they're going to cover.
And maybe council can have a little bit input session after or whatever.
So this is the initially initially just to get the the survey or the.
It will deal with all the housing issues and.
Well, what are my thoughts on this.
I mean, you have an agenda.
This is we're just initiating the the study.
Yeah, so I don't know I think once you have someone selected just have them put something together as what they're going to look for, etc.
And circulated by email and if everybody's happy with it, then we can proceed and then once they have some data we can review it.
Okay, so I don't know.
Okay, so we have already selected a consultant.
All I was thinking is do you want him to give you overview what he will be covering.
Or let them go ahead with the study.
Yeah, I think go ahead with him.
I've been I just circulated a memo or something of what they're going to be, you know, who it is and what they're going to be looking for, etc.
Just as a briefing.
We'll do that.
Okay.
But just 26 we're going to be tabling in September and I was wondering if council.
Was to give any input and interaction or should we just bring the budget and that would be a first draft and leave then we can decide from there.
I think once again just bring the draft as we typically do.
Okay.
Okay, and we'll be bringing a report and of September that we engage that consultant regarding energy projects and that will be coming to council.
Now, I just want to just quickly won't take very much time.
I want to deal with the taxpayer complaints.
I just want to, you know, the council's mandate is improve the staff morale and, you know,
make sure it's a trust and inspire kind of organization.
So we build the trust and all that stuff.
And all of our policies here about harassment, about resident response.
And all the policies are there, which basically says the customers or people or council members.
All staff members have to all operate in a professional manner. And all I would say, when we go into assumptions and accusations, allegations, myths, rumors, false information, demeaning derogatory, insulting comments, that does not help to build our mandate,
council wants to build this organization. When the complaints like this from outside initiate, if they are not respectful, if they are not really in a professional manner, asking a decent question,
which response means demands answer, we will do that. But if they have all kinds of things in there, we will disregard those.
And I need council support. We will not be dealing with those kind of emails where there is any handles and accusations. We will just deal with the matter at hand and we will provide information that council can decide what you like.
So this is what I wanted to bring it to council. I need some direction. If there is anything what I have said is not okay with council, then let me know.
I mean overall, I think council understands, it's not our first day at the job. Everyone has an understanding of how to carry themselves in a professional manner.
Above all, elected officials must rise to a different level. And communication, correspondence, and any shape or form, it might be must remain in professional context.
So I understand where you are coming from, but this is not anyone. It doesn't matter who might come from or whatever. If there is a question, please ask it. If there is a concern, please bring it forward.
But if it becomes attack, accusations and just insults and so forth, I won't be answering those emails. If there is a question, I will be responding in a professional manner.
But I will not be responding to basically emails or phone calls to whatever it might be in that fashion, just to echo your comments.
I just hope that we all understand this is an election year and there is a lot of sense that a lot of people are residents and so forth, but we must remain professional.
The council is elected and expected to carry out in a professional manner. I don't think I need to go into much further than that. I think we all understand how we must carry ourselves.
And simply put, derogatory emails will not be responded to, or comments, and I'll leave it at that. And I can support your thoughts on that as well.
So anyway, is there anything else you had to do the CEO report? Council morning?
I hate to ask this question, but what is going on in campsite road? I swear, I'll never leave all enough to see that road finished. So I'm just going to share.
So far in campsite road, I've seen repairs from last year's work. So when they're last night, so first they started at the very end where the work had ended last year.
The very first two weeks of the job there, they repaired that part, dug it all up, dried it up, put it back. Now we're working on the front end where they started last year.
They haven't dug anything up except they're actually digging enough ditches, which I realized has to be done, but two date. I have not seen any new work.
Man, that's what I said in email. And Ali responded, but he basically said the same thing that I had asked.
I'm already seeing what's going on. Is this money going to be all used up? The money, the budget for that road, going to be used up before we start new work.
Am I going to actually see a new length of road done before the project is done? Or are we just fixing? I don't know, man. That's what I'm seeing is fixing.
Just sharing with you, because I don't know if you've been out there.
Castle Morgan, I'm going to be meeting with the counselor. Sorry, the consultant tomorrow. We will get you a full report. Randy is on top of it.
And I'm not going to wait for Ali to come back. We'll be dealing with this this week. And I will, we will get back to council on this one.
Perfect. So I have one more question. If I may.
Yeah, absolutely. I had a question on that.
So, man, I always try to stay in my lane. I stayed in my governance lane. I would think 99% of the time.
But just because I've had so many people call me on the watering of flowers, I need to ask.
I already know it's contract and and people have been talking to the people watering flowers.
And I don't want to ask questions about that. I just want to know why we've never stayed like we did before.
Our summer students with water flowers. Where are the summer students? I guess my question is, and I don't need a answer today.
But when you can provide it, please share with council. Why did we decide to contract out the work?
And I guess the people know who's watering the flowers. So the guy helping his wife who has a contract is county employee.
Who works during the day and that night helps his wife waterflowers.
I mean, I had calls about this on the weekend on my family reunion and I'm like, don't want to deal with it.
But, man, I'm only asking, you don't have to answer now. Maybe if you could provide council with details on such.
I would appreciate that. And then we can share with whoever's calling me.
Thank you. Yes, I will get the answer for you.
Thank you.
We have a lot of, we have a lot of non staff doing a lot of work, ground town that probably should come back in house.
But again, you're right. That's out of our lane.
I'm looking for an update on Elisdon and everything that they have promised us.
We haven't heard from Jeffrey in a long time since he made promises that we likely couldn't fulfill.
And there's been no update on what we're doing. So far, the money that we've spent there.
Elisdon's contract expired June 30th.
And throughout, we got 15 resolutions with Elisdon. He has helped us with some RFPs.
He has initiated, he can, he could trade project. He has brought to council.
And that's basically one of the projects that come out.
Other things in the Resolutions are conference center, water taxi and all those things were brought out.
And council basically has 15 resolutions and we're working on this. At this time, he's not engaged for us to any advice.
So I just had a moment on regarding the campsite, I told you, drive by, they're quite often.
I see that there was some work done of culverts and all the rest of this stuff was done.
They're doing some base prep and so forth, but it's pushing August already.
It's surprising to see that there's every time I went through there was no equipment moving.
And I go through two, three times a week, there's no equipment moving.
So I'm not sure what they're waiting for and what they're, they come in for a day or two and leave for a week.
So whatever they're doing, this just doesn't seem to be motivated or there's looks like they're treating it as a side job.
So yeah, and it's going to be snowing here quick.
So anyway, other than that, with Elisdon, we updated, they were brought on for a certain amount of time.
They've brought some ideas and projects and results and they're no longer under the payroll and they were just a brief consulting period.
Okay, thank you for that.
Anybody on this side?
Okay.
Councillor Banyakira question.
Okay.
If nothing further than many will go into closed session.
So we'll need a motion to go into closed session at 127 p.m.
So once we're in closed session, Michael or motion carried.
Thank you.
Yeah, let's go.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Heather. So we have, back in open session, we have four in an additional
fifth item to vote on for motion. So we'll start off at 9.1. 9.1 is a standing item, a transitional housing.
A motion is to direct administration to bring forward a revised draft agreement to a future council meeting.
Motion carried.
If you would, we don't you bring it up and close. So we can draft the motion. Go ahead.
9.2 is committee appointments. Motion is to appoint Norman D'Roscher in Jennifer Gozzi to the safe
from municipalities advisory committee, effective July 22, 2025, 2 July 22, 2027.
And motion carried. Moving on to 9.3. 9.3 was a change to a mill rate. Motion is to direct administration to deny the request one or
request one and further to reply in writing as discussed in close session.
And motion carried again.
9.4 is similar in nature. Change to mill rate. And again, the motion is to direct administration to deny request two and further to reply in writing as discussed in close session.
And based on the two, it does rather sound a little bit harsh to deny the middle rate change, but we did add a subsequent motion for these requests.
And that motion is a rose, but I just wanted to explain a little bit for those who are listening is that it's not as easy as just to change.
Because just to change one mill rate it would apply to the entire municipalities and therefore we do have a subsequent motion.
It's to direct administration to review subclass mill rate options for rural businesses in a 2026 budget.
So we want to do something about it, but we cannot do something like this to open up a can of worms. So let's go ahead and vote and see what we can do in the 26 budget.
And that will bring us to the end of this meeting. Thank you everyone. Almost finished at 230. Thank you again, meeting adjourned.