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Thank you for your patience. We're going to go ahead and call this regular meeting of the Lockhart City Council to order at 630. We have rescheduled this meeting because of the national night out. So we will begin with our work session, which will be held to receive briefings and to initially discuss all items contained on the agenda posted for 7 30 p.m. Generally, this work session is to simplify issues as it relates to agenda items. No vote will be taken on any issues.

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She's discussed her review during work session except to the extent specified specifically

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authorized under the Texas Open Meetings Act.

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We're going to begin our meeting tonight with two proclamations, one for National Debesic

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Violence Awareness Month and the second for Manufacturing Month.

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So,

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again, actually, it's been up here so many times to support for our organization.

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We should put her on the payroll.

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Okay.

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Oh, welcome.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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And we have Ms. Karen Jones who is on the board for the domestic, for the, okay.

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Well, in recognition of this occasion, we've prepared this proclamation, which reads whereas

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the crime of domestic violence violates the basic human rights of safety and dignity.

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And 205 Texans were killed in an intimate partner homicide, including 179 women and 26 men.

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And whereas the problem of domestic violence is not confined to any group of people but

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cut across all economic, racial, gender, and societal barriers, and whereas the impact

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of domestic violence and teen dating violence directly affects individuals and communities

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when society ignores or tolerates violence in relationships.

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And whereas last year, HCWC provided face-to-face services to over 1,165 local victims of domestic

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domestic violence and provided 6,693 days of shelter and whereas last year HCWC provided

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these direct services to 68 victims from the City of Lockhart. So now therefore I,

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Lew, I buy the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the City of Lockhart,

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Texas to hereby proclaim the month of October the 20, 2025 as National Domestic Violence

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Awareness Month and call upon the people of Lockhart to work together with HCWC and local partners

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to bring in to domestic violence. Let me hand you that. Hello. My name is Ashley Rios. I am one

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of the program directors over at HCWC and we provide free confidential services to all adults

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adolescents or children impacted by domestic violence. All of our services again are free.

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We have a satellite office here in Lockhart where we can come and see clients here in their

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own community.

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So we appreciate all the supports.

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Good evening.

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I'm Karen Larson-Gens, and I'm a board member of HCWC, happened for several years.

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And we just are thrilled to have the city support.

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And please look for our fundraisers.

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We need every dime to do the wonderful work through this organization.

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thank you. Thank you all for coming up. I'll

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see you in a couple of months.

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We have, we have,

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here we go, and she's already told me your name and it's like a steel trap. It went out

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the way other door. Thank you for coming tonight. Yes, please, thank you. We have a lady here from

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school district who is in charge of career and technical education. Very good.

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Thank you for coming

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tonight and in recognition of this occasion we have Ms. Holly Malish who is our

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economic development coordinator here with us as well. We prepared this

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proclamation which reads whereas the manufacturing industry is a vital

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component of our economy contributing significantly to economic growth

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innovation and job creation and whereas manufacturing employees millions of

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workers across the nation providing high wage high skill jobs and serving as a

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foundation for community prosperity and whereas there are 456 people employed across 17 businesses

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in the manufacturing industry in Lockhart, Texas with an average wage of $60,000 that produce

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a diverse range of products used utilizing advanced technologies and sustainable practices making

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our region a leader in innovation and quality production. Whereas manufacturing month provides

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and opportunity to showcase the contributions of the manufacturing sector and the importance

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of investing in the future workforce through education, training, and collaboration.

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And whereas manufacturing month encourages students, parents, educators, and community leaders

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to learn more about modern manufacturing, including career paths, technological advancements,

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and the critical role of skilled workers.

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and whereas by supporting the manufacturing industry, we promote economic growth,

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environmental sustainability, and a higher quality of life for all residents.

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Now therefore, I, Lou, I, by the authority vested in me as the mayor of the City of

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Lockhart, Texas, do hereby proclaim October 2025 as manufacturing month. Okay,

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wonderful. Thank you for joining us. I'm going to pass the baton and y'all.

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I did not have anything prepared, but I just want to say thank you.

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Yeah, manufacturer something, thank you for having us here.

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Thank you for just the support from the community.

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We definitely with the school district cannot do it without y'all's support.

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So I just want to say thank you, we do offer some manufacturing.

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We are increasing our STEM offerings.

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We're also really excited about ACC coming in the near future.

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So I just want to say in you know echo about manufacturing we're continue to grow our our base here diversifying and

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Manufacturing is very important because of the high capital investment and the number of jobs and those are known as primary businesses

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And then the secondary and tertiary businesses like retail come because of manufacturing. So it's very important

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Very good. Very good. Well, thank you for coming up tonight

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We're going to item C which is a presentation and discussion of a law enforcement agreement

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with flock, group, ink or fixed automated license plate reader cameras.

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And before we get started, I'll explain how we're going to do this.

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The chief has a presentation along with a virtual presentation from representative flock

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who is out of state and we have several people who want to make public comments about this so we

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will say those comments until after we've heard the presentation and had a chance for Council to

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ask their questions. Go ahead Chief. Good evening Mayor and Council Police Chief Gary Williamson.

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The Lockhart Police Department is requesting City Council approval of a law enforcement agreement

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with Flock Group Incorporated, otherwise known as Flock Safety for the use of automated license plate reader technology.

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Flock Safety provides fixed license plate reader cameras designed to enhance public safety by assisting law enforcement in the identification and investigation of criminal activity including stolen vehicles, one in persons, and other public safety alerts.

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The proposed system will consist of seven strategically located cameras at key ingress and egress points to the city.

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These cameras will capture vehicle license plates and related vehicle characteristics transmitting real-time alerts to law enforcement for vehicles of interest.

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This technology will serve as an additional tool to help officers respond quickly and effectively to public safety concerns.

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The proposed agreement with flock group incorporated provides a 12-month initial subscription with subsequent automatic annual renewals to the flock safety platform at an annual cost of $21,000, which includes system access maintenance and real-time learning features with professional service fees waived.

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The system includes advanced capabilities such as vehicle fingerprinting and CIC, TCIC

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database integration in a 30-day data retention period.

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To ensure proper use and compliance, the Lockhart Police Department has developed a draft

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departmental policy to establish procedures for the lawful operation of license plate reader

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technology.

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The policy defines access levels, outlines auditing, and training requirements, and safeguards

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against misuse or impermissible uses.

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It also affirms that all data collection is owned by the Lockhart Police Department

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and retained only for 30 days unless tied to an investigation.

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If the agreement with FLOG Group Incorporated is approved, this policy will be formally adopted

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and implemented.

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The implementation of license plate technology is a proven force multiplier that provides

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real-time intelligence to law enforcement, enhancing both crime prevention and investigation

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capabilities.

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Several surrounding jurisdictions have successfully adopted flock safety systems, further demonstrating

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the effectiveness of the technology in modern policing.

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Supporting materials from flock safety also highlight benefits such as improved officer

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officer safety, efficiency, faster case clearance, and enhanced community safety.

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Staff recommends approval of a flock safety agreement with authorization for the

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city manager to execute the necessary documents. I'd also like to add one of

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our main crimes in town since I got here, burglary of motor vehicles, and flock

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A lot of cameras have proven in other jurisdictions to help develop leads to help with such crimes to solve them.

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Now I think it's no secret that PDE is understaffed, so we see these cameras, which would be operating 24-7 as a force multiplier, so we'd be leveraging technology to our advantage.

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We all know the city is growing, which typically brings increased crime.

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Now the PD will have a license plate reader policy in place that would regulate who we

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share with and who we will not share information with.

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There will be no sharing with federal agencies and it will not be used for illegal immigration.

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Only for wanted vehicles and crimes.

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In my opinion, I think there's a lot of misinformation out there and that's why we brought the flock

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representative in to help answer some questions.

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and so I'd like to turn it over to Brandon Williams and Trevor Chandler with flock.

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Thank you, Chief.

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I really appreciate everybody allowing us the opportunity to be at the meeting tonight.

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I'm going to walk through a presentation that shows a high level overview of flock safety

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and what our intended partnership looks like with the City of Lockhart in the police department.

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But before I get into my presentation and an overview of flock,

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I do want to take a quick second to address the elephant in the room.

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I think when it comes to technology like this, there's a very real and legitimate concern

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around privacy and data sharing.

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And at the end of the day, we are all civilians here.

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And I think that we do have one common goal when it's all said and done.

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And that's one to keep the community safe, but also making sure that we're upholding individual

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privacy.

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Because, like Chief mentioned, when it does come to technology like this that is used by

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law enforcement, there is a lot of misconceptions.

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So my hope by the end of the presentation is that it's very clear on how the technology

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works, what the intended use cases are in art, what kind of data is being captured and not

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being captured, as well as how the data is shared, who it's shared with and who it's not

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shared with.

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And then my last hope is that regardless of what kind of decision is made tonight, is that at least the decision is made with clarity and facts.

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So with that being said, flocks safety at its core, we are a technology company.

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We provide all sorts of different types of solutions, but today like Chief mentioned is going to be centered around our license plate reader cameras.

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We work with law enforcement, we work with private businesses, and we work with neighborhoods and

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homeowner's associations, all again with one goal to keep the community safe.

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And today we're protecting over 1,500 businesses nationwide, over 2,800 crimes.

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We are actually solved with the help of flock, which makes up about 15% of overall reported crimes across the country. And we're protecting over 6,000 communities to date.

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And like Chief mentioned, most agencies are understaffed, which is the case for Lockhart PD. The applicant pool when it comes to law enforcement has almost evaporated and retention is also a big issue. And then crime is up across the country. And so what more and more agencies are actually having

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to do is turn to technology like this to help fill that gap.

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So at the end of the day, our sole intention is to help current officers do more with

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less.

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We want to maximize their efficiency.

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We want to improve their safety and ultimately help the PD solve cases quicker and reduce

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overall crime.

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And when it comes to who we work with, there's a lot of agencies, cities, towns and counties

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just in your backyard that are currently utilizing the flock cameras.

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Colwell County, which is you always county the sheriff's office.

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Colwell County Council's office, San Marcos PD,

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Según PD, Kyle, Buddha, Taylor, Sunset Valley,

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Mustang Ridge, Bastrop, Luling, New Braunfels,

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Hays County, Bastard County, Guadalupe County, Manor PD and then Texas Department of Public Safety came on board with us about three months ago and they're going to be putting up about 1500 cameras all across the state.

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So today across the state of Texas we've got over 250 cities, counties and towns that are utilizing a wide variety of our different types of solutions.

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and to point out, speaking of Cullwell County,

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they recently had a very successful use case

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with our flock cameras, where they were actually able to

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track down and arrest a child abuse suspect

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with the help of their LPR cameras.

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I'm not sure if you were aware of this,

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but just recently there was a five-person homicide

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at a casino down by the border.

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The suspect fled all the way up the stockdale,

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which is about an hour from Lockhart.

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And with the help of these LPR cameras,

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multiple agencies were able to track down the suspect

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and ultimately apprehend the suspect.

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Flock has helped return over 3,000 missing children

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over the last about three years or so

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with the direct integration with the amber alert database.

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And especially in Texas with human trafficking

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as prevalent as it is,

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There's a lot more use cases to flock than just tracking down stolen vehicles.

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And so all of this is really just intended to show that by no means will you all be stepping

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out on a limb, being a guinea pig with this.

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And if the chief and the police department does choose to share their data with these other

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neighboring agencies, they'll be able to seamlessly work together to solve cases quicker and be

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more efficient.

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And so as far as the LPR cameras are concerned, you can see a visual of what they look like.

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We're going on all the major entrances of the city of Lockhart.

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And what they're doing, there's two sides to this. There's an investigative piece

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where the data that's collected by the LPR cameras can be used in open investigations.

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And then the other side is that the direct integration with the amber alert database, NCIC-TCCIC,

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as well as the PD having the ability to create their own hot list of vehicles of interest.

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Any time these vehicles are picked up by the cameras, an alert will go out in real time.

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So one, we know about it.

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And then two, it gives the PD a fighting chance to actually position themselves and do something

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about it.

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So again, they're able to solve cases a lot quicker.

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And then as far as what kind of data is being collected by these LPR cameras, it's simply

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a still image of the vehicle and a still image of the license plate.

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There's no live video, there's no facial recognition, and there's absolutely no personal data

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that's being collected.

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And so, Flot cannot tie a registration to a license plate.

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It is simply just the make-in-the-model of the vehicle and the tag.

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And so at the end of the day, I'm going to transition this over to Trevor to talk about

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our proactive privacy measures that we're taking to make sure that we're not overstepping

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civilian privacy and that we're making sure that we're being responsible when it comes

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to data sharing.

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Hi, everyone.

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My name is Trevor.

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I am the Director of Public Affairs here at FLOC.

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So, an important thing to know is that our privacy, transparency and accountability measures

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aren't by accident, they're by design, and they're also lead the industry in how we are

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continually investing in advancing these guardrails and accountability measures.

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A couple items we really want to stress.

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First, as your chief mentioned, the data and images that are collected by your flat cameras

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are 100% owned by you.

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Flock does not own them.

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Flock does not sell them.

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Flock does not sell data period.

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And that's very important to note.

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And no federal agencies will have access here data

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unless your community chooses to share it with them.

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Flock will make no decision to share your data period.

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We will, Flock will never share your data.

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Flock will never sell your data.

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That is your data for you to decide what to do with.

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We also have the automatic deletion date.

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This is about the balance of privacy and public safety.

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You know, the cameras serve a very important immediate alert purpose as well as an investigatory

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purpose.

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There are many crimes that don't get reported for potentially weeks at a time, specifically

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sex crimes and other crimes that may not get reported for weeks.

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And by having a 30-day retention period, this is what we found with law enforcement agencies

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across the country is the best practice so that you're not continually collecting a massive amount

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of images of your community, but you are providing your law enforcement with the tools to do

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an important investigatory work. And as was just stated, no personal information is being collected.

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FOX does not have access to the DMV records. We do not have access to any personally identifiable

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information. These cameras are being positioned to take photos to have the rear of a vehicle to get

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the best photo of the license plate. And just very important to note, license plates are

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public documents owned by the statement for public display on public roadways. So this

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is not personally identifiable information. A flock cannot connect these license plates to any

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people, as you just heard. These are, these are focused on license plates in the vehicles.

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And again, you can say this many times, only your agency gets to choose who you decide to share

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your images with, if at all.

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And you all have, as was just mentioned by your chief,

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very strict policy that's been put in place.

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And about keeping this data safe on this side,

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you'll see there is all the encryption standards

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that we uphold.

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The most important one is the FBIC, just standards.

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That's the criminal justice information services standards.

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So we are FBI certified to handle public safety data.

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And then we have all SOC 2 types you auditing to ensure our systems are to date ISO 2700,

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a HIPAA FERPA.

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What's really important to note here is that this is a level of security encryption that

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most cities and governments put around their most sensitive information, social security

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numbers, register our deeds, what you have there at City Hall.

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This rivals, if not in some cases, surpasses the encryption for this incredibly sensitive

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personal data.

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Now, even though we are taking pictures of non-sensitive public data, which are license

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ways, we still treated with the highest level of encryption standards and security to make

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sure that it is fully safe and secure.

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So next slide.

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And this, again, we believe that community safety should never have to come at the expense

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of community values.

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So, we have several items that have put us on the cutting edge of compliance features

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in the public safety technology space.

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If you prefer, we have search filters that will prevent anyone, including outside agencies

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you're sharing with, from searching for anything related to immigration or reproductive health

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care.

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And so, you can opt into that at your request, and we're happy to provide those filters

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for you.

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Again, no federal access to statewide or national lookup.

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You would have to make the conscious decision, deliberate decision, to share with a federal

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agency if you chose to or not.

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You block will never make that decision.

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While the images are deleted after 30 days, the ones that aren't being used for investigations,

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the audit logs are permanent.

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From the very first day, this system starts in the very first search that is made.

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your community and your agency can run an audit at any point in time so you can always make sure

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that the system is being utilized in a way that aligns with your community values in that audit

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log is permanent. And also with legal response, if Flock receives a subpoena for an image of

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that your cameras have collected, we are contractually obligated to redirect that subpoena request to you

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as you are the owners of the data, so your legal counsel can make a decision on how you

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want to respond in line with your local laws and values.

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And we also provide a bunch of transparency features, which are very important.

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If you would like, we offer a transparency portal free of charge.

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We host it, so you don't have to put it on, you don't have to build your own web page.

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But we can build it for you, and you can have it posted on your website showing what your

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policy is what's allowed and what's not allowed, you know, what agencies you're, what other

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agencies you've chosen to share with, if at all, the number of scams, we can customize

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this for anything that you might be interested in. And every search, again, that is covered

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under the audit, requires a registered ID with either a search reason or a case number. So

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every single search has to have either one, both will have your registered ID with either

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the research reason or case number.

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If you'd like, we can actually require both

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a search reason and a case number

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to be included in any search.

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We have the permanent audit trail

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and we very much encourage regular audits.

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Some agencies do it once a year, once a quarter,

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once a month, once a week.

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You can do it as often as you want.

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And pretty soon we have additional compliance features

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coming out where we actually have proactive auditing

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where if they're the algorithm

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them that we're in the machine learning, we're putting together to detect some odd searches,

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say you have an officer searching at very odd times of the day when they're not working,

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when they're off hours, or certain types of searching for the same license plate multiple,

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multiple times, even though it's not connected with a crime or case number. The things like that

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will provide an automatic alert to your system administrator, so you don't have to wait until an audit

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that is run to identify potential misuse in the system.

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And would that be inside that RAPSAR presentation?

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And again, at the end of the day, this is intended to just help the PD do more with less and

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only be used for the intent of when crimes occur to give a fighting chance for

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the PD to do something about it and prevent them and solve those cases quickly.

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Thank you for you all's time today, tonight.

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So Council, do you have questions while they're on the online?

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I guess I have one question at what level are y'all interacting with the looing PD?

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With looing PD? Yeah, it was on the list of

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Cities that they work with I guess as far as flock. Yes. I think up up until this point

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Nothing nothing. Okay. I mean I communicate with chief

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Being down there, but we not flock. Okay, they were on the list

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I believe they're getting the technology or they either just got it.

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So I have a question, go ahead, Mr. Mayor.

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Can the representatives address the instances of problems that they've had with this as

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far as misuse or unauthorized access or complaints or lawsuits about unauthorized access to the

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data?

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We are going to initiate this meeting and while we're navigating this technical challenge

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here we could perhaps receive comments from either council related to chief or of audience

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questions here while we get our representatives back up.

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Mary.

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Okay.

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Moot point.

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I guess we're back up and running.

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I was like wow, they really didn't like us.

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So I heard the question about addressing the complaints or issues of misuse.

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And so we take this extremely seriously.

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Any instance of misuse is unacceptable and anyone that does misuse the system should

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be held accountable to their laws and regulation.

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And to that effect, what we have done, and it's, you know, it's one of the issues where we

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you built such a transparent and accountable system where, again, you might see a news article

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about an officer here or an officer there potentially misusing it, it's incredibly rare.

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But in the instances you do read about it, it's because of the transparency and accountability

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features.

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It's because that person was caught because we have the permanent audit logs, the fact that

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we do have these transparency features and we have these accountability features that allow

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robust and comprehensive oversight to hold that after is accountable.

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And so, as I said, we're continuing to innovate and be a industry leader in those compliance

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features so that compliance, both at an individual level, so people make sure they're not

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They're stakingly breaking their policy, or, you know, at a level of intentional misuse that those people are caught so they can have to be educated on how you all are running your program, or they can be admonished in alignment with your local and state laws and regulations.

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So I've had a lot of comments from my constituents, and the main thing is they're concerned about is privacy.

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The rules on Lockhart Police Department on how we share the data could change at any time.

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So we're not feeling that there's a guarantee that this data won't be shared at a later

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date, or for that matter as you spoke to subpoenaed, you all can't be subpoenaed, but we can

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be sipping it for this information.

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So the overreach on invasion of privacy is a huge concern for my constituents.

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Yes.

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And you know, those are valid and real.

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And so a couple of instances regarding that.

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So that is true of all the data and all the information that the city in your law enforcement

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collects.

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So this would not be unique to any other of that information.

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What differentiates this in our view is that this first, unlike any of the other data

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mostly that the city or law enforcement holds on to, gets deleted after 30 days.

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So whereas if the federal or state administration decided to come in and

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and subpoena voting records or any number of things that the city holds on to.

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Those are all permanent and they can access those at any time whenever they want to submit a subpoena for if they have the legal rationale.

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The benefit of the way this system is balanced again, balancing community safety and community values, privacy and public safety is that 30-day sweet spot where after 30 days these are hard to leave it, they cannot be retrieved period.

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And so that allows a level of comfort to make sure that you know that, you know, an entity

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might not want subpoenaing your data because it's coming at any moment and do that.

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Second, compared to items say, like your registrar of deeds or any item like that, that provides

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very specific location data based on the individual's address where they've lived, all these things.

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the by the time say even in a week or two weeks this data for reasons other than you

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know solving specific crimes gets less and less useful as every week goes on so

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let's say it's two weeks in you get a subpoena for a particular item by the time

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you respond to that subpoena and that works this way through the court you're

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already passed the 30-day mark so compared to all the other information that the

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The city is already holding on to that, you know, might be sensitive to a level of subpoena.

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This system differentiates itself in providing a privacy safeguard with both the nature of

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the images that's collecting, which is a license plate, which is, again, this is identifying

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vehicles, not people.

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So just because it's a license plate doesn't mean we don't know who's driving the car.

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That's for your investigators to identify.

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But it's also a matter of the nature and whether it actually be beneficial.

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So compared to everything else the city is holding on to, this likely has some of the most stringent and comprehensive safeguards to prevent that sort of thing from happening.

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So I don't want to get too technical into this, but talking about the subpoena issue.

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So something comes up and it were two weeks in, it automatically deletes in 30 days.

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days. But if we were subpoenaed and they said, do not delete any information, then that

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process could be stopped, correct? And it could be stopped for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days,

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three years.

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Well, it's possible, again, this is a hypothetical legal situation, but they may demand you

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at least download that information. But again, by the time that, even if you download it,

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refuse to hand it over while the court goes through, it's subpoenaed process, by the time

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When the subpoena process is done and you either move to quash or any other number of motions,

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months down the line, that image for the most part is relatively useless.

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And so it's a matter of, again, there's risk, there's inherent risk in everything and

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we take that very seriously, and that's why we so strongly believe the balance of both privacy and

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public safety is better in this system than likely in the other system that you're law enforcement.

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or even the city and county itself are using.

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Right, so one more time.

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So if we were ordered as a city,

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not to delete our information,

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if we got a subpoena,

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the system doesn't automatically delete.

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There is a mechanism where we would be able

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to hold that information

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for an indefinite amount of time,

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pursuant to whatever we're being asked to do, is that correct?

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Yes, so you would download it similar

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to your law enforcement downloading it for an investigation.

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So any image that is not downloaded before the 30-day deletion date is hard deleted.

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So if there was a legal mandate saying we want you to download all of this and

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you say no, but they say you have to do it anyways while we work through the real process,

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you would be able to download those specific images in compliance with the courts.

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Okay. One more question. Has your system ever been breached and has information, personal information

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been breached about the people who have been tracked on your system?

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No. It has not. There has been some misstatements in the press that there have been breaches.

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What those were referring to were people that they had made a sharing decision to share with

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another entity in some cases, other members of the government might not have realized they made that decision to share and that's where some confusion came in, but there's never been a breach of flock system and again, the benefit of flock system because we do not have any access to personally identifiable information is there is no personally identifiable information to be leaked.

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These are images of license plates that are not connected to a DMV record or anything within our system.

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So that is the answer, there is, no, we have not had a breach, and we have never had a leak or a breach of personal information, because we do not collect personal information.

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Okay, thank you.

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Mr. Williams, first and foremost, thank you for your time in the presentation, and I appreciate the fact that you started off with, let's discuss the elephant in the room, and that is very important.

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And of course, you know, the citizens' personal information is very personal and very private.

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My question is a few phone calls and one of the comments was, the cameras that are used

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are very high-intense cameras.

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They will tell you that it's only going to capture the license plate number and it's only

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going to capture the make and model and color of the car.

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But because these cameras are so intense, these cameras can actually pick up other information

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or other details in the vehicle.

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So my question is the use of these cameras, what is their intensity, can they pick up on all that or are the cameras just focused on the license plate number that make a model of the vehicle?

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Yeah, so the cameras will pick up whatever is in range, but it's important to note.

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So, if the camera is triggered because of their motion sensor, it drives by, and there's maybe an individual walking in the crosswalk, there could be a picture of that individual is included in that image.

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However, it's important to note the system cannot be searched for human characteristics.

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If your officer tried to put in someone with brown hair, six foot one, and facial hair, it wouldn't be possible.

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The system can only be searched for vehicles.

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There is no facial recognition because it only searches for vehicles.

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It can search for vehicles and vehicle characteristics.

439
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,720
So I'm going to use myself as an example because it's just easier.

440
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:03,780
If Angie Gonzalez-Sanche's vehicle, the program actually hones into my license plate,

441
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,380
the information that's going to be put into the system will be

442
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:13,640
Angie Gonzalez, the license plate number.

443
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,020
It'll be the model and make of the vehicle.

444
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,280
What other information will be input into this data system?

445
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,140
Will there be an address information?

446
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,900
Will there be phone number?

447
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:35,240
And I know, you know, I may be thinking outside of the box, but that's okay because I know

448
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,760
people are asking these, you know, they're wondering about these questions.

449
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,720
Well, their date of birth information beyond there, where their social security number

450
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:48,460
beyond there will, you know, this information have place of employment.

451
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:58,520
So basically, what's the basic information that is going to be captured and actually recorded

452
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,800
on this, you know, on the flock program.

453
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:03,720
Thank you so much for asking that question,

454
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,220
and that's what we're here for.

455
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,360
Is all that will be, is your license plate

456
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,700
in the vehicle characteristics?

457
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,800
Your name will never be in our,

458
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,100
we don't have your name in our system.

459
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:14,980
We don't have DMV records in our system.

460
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,620
We don't have any employer information in our system.

461
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:22,660
We have no address items in our system, period.

462
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:24,640
All of these images are collecting

463
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,480
are the time and location as well as the features of the vehicle, including the license plate.

464
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,920
That is it. There is no social security number, no DMV records, no personally identifying

465
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,840
information that is collected on these cameras at all.

466
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:47,240
Okay, and thank you. The information that's collected, where is it stored?

467
00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:54,040
Yes, thank you for that. We use servers on the AWS Guv Cloud. These are the same servers

468
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,380
that many municipalities use. They are heavily encrypted. They have all of those

469
00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:02,720
encryption that I previously talked about, including the Sieges, the Criminal Justice Information

470
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:09,440
Services certification that is required by the FBI to hold on to any data for public safety

471
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:17,240
purposes. And so, we utilize the AWS Gov Club. And we know that technology is, you know, it is,

472
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,660
it's here, and it's very useful with some of our jobs and what we do. But we also know that

473
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:32,520
there with technology, their hackers out there. So my question to you is if the database was hacked

474
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:38,860
in by a hacker because that is a strong possibility. We hope that it wouldn't happen. But it can't

475
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:46,160
happen. If a hacker were to come in, how is that information protected? How is that information

476
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:52,940
protected to where it's not going to go into the hands of the wrong individuals or just bad people?

477
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:59,060
Yeah, I mean, it's a totally valid question and concern.

478
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:07,820
And so what we can say is AWS cloud has never been hacked to our knowledge and has never been breached.

479
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:14,340
There was one instance where someone mistakenly as an administrator to the gub cloud, not on us.

480
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:17,300
But this was the only case that I could find because I look into this as well.

481
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:23,440
mistakenly provided access within their system, and that was a whole nother thing, but there was never been a hat.

482
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,900
And again, this is very important to assess risks when you're dealing with any sort of situation.

483
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:33,100
And that's why we take it so seriously, and we're continually innovating in encryption.

484
00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:36,940
And we're continually innovating and rotating in encryption keys.

485
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:41,140
So you don't have to have one key that we cold on to, like I say, it actually changes.

486
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,560
So if someone might try to steal it, then it goes stale and no longer works later.

487
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:54,140
So we take that threat extremely seriously and that's why we've invested in and continue to invest in innovating some of the most robust encryption standards.

488
00:42:54,780 --> 00:43:09,040
So in your presentation, you indicated that the information that the Lockhart Police Department will gather, it's going to be up to the discretion of our police department on what law enforcement entities to share that information with.

489
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,360
So, again, I'm using myself as an example, I get stopped, the license plate reader comes

490
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,420
on, and there is a warrant out for Angie Gonzalez-Sunches for burglary.

491
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:25,800
So at that point, the officers are going to do what they have to do, because there is

492
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,060
a warrant out for my arrest.

493
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,860
But let's, and again, I may be thinking out the box, but that's okay.

494
00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:40,820
Okay, let's say the burglary that I committed wasn't in Colwell County, it was in Harris or Travis.

495
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:49,260
So how can, and I know this information will be helpful for Colwell County and the City of Law Cart.

496
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:56,440
But how is that information going to be helpful for the counties that are actually looking for me because there's a warrant out for my arrest?

497
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:03,040
Great question. And again, that comes down to your community's decision on who to share with.

498
00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:08,040
It's a two-way street, right? Because crime knows no borders if you're in Caldwell or Harris counties.

499
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,460
And so, you know, some people choose to share with the entire state.

500
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:17,740
So if someone that they're looking for, who committed a crime in their county,

501
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:20,400
happens to be in another end of the state, that they'll get that alert.

502
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,500
And that county's police will be able to respond to that as well.

503
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:29,300
So that's the decision that you all make during your, as you're deciding who to share with.

504
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:35,080
There is incredible benefit to sharing with neighboring counties and cities and even throughout the state.

505
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:40,200
But we also realize that there's also a values decision, community values decision that has to be made.

506
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:47,240
So as you limit your sharing, you're also limiting the potential ability to catch wanted criminals,

507
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,120
both from your own community and criminals that have committed crimes in other parts of the state.

508
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:59,740
So if that information were to come out as you can all the Sanchez award out for her as for burglary will that

509
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,500
Information, always be on the database, or is it going to go away after the 30-day period? That information state, you would remain on the hot list as they call it that your law enforcement chooses to upload until they choose to take it off. But if Angie Gonzalez Sanchez were stopped and the license plate reader is read and there's nothing comes up on Angie Gonzalez Sanchez, then 30 days, Angie Gonzalez's information is off, correct?

510
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:29,680
Correct.

511
00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:30,480
Correct.

512
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:31,140
Okay.

513
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:35,380
And thank you Council for bearing with me with all these questions.

514
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:42,140
And I don't know if this question can be answered, but in the event, if we were to participate

515
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:47,400
in this program, where would the location of cameras go to?

516
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,800
I mean, are we targeting the main door fairs that are coming into the city of Lockhart?

517
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:54,720
Correct.

518
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,520
That's what we're discussing right now.

519
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,840
Now they wouldn't go into any neighborhoods just to see entrances and possibly exits to town.

520
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:09,360
Usually you put them at the entrances of that way if you can alert our officers have time in town to catch up and locate the suspect.

521
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:12,800
Okay, and thank you for answering that question.

522
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,580
But the sites have not been formalized but the discussion has been the main thoroughfare.

523
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:27,620
Okay, so Mr. Williams, you indicated that Lockhart Police Department would have, we would

524
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:31,560
have that information, we would decide whether or not we want to share that information.

525
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,840
This is all scenario-based.

526
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:42,400
In the event that we were to go with your program, everything that you have listed that cannot

527
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:51,520
not happen will that be part of the contract to ensure our security that you know this information

528
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,240
isn't going to go anywhere at the event that and again just scenarios like I like thinking

529
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:06,240
outside that box if you know your company gets sold how will we as an entity and as a city are we going

530
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:21,240
Are we going to be secured that the contract that's in place is still going to be valid even though it's going to another company because when that happens, I mean anything and everything can happen.

531
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:28,140
No, so our contract is a legally binding document, and it does have severance clauses in it.

532
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:35,860
So if flock were to do anything that goes against city or state law, anything like that you all would have caused

533
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:41,020
through our contract to terminate, and there's other severance clauses there as well too.

534
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:52,220
So if regardless of whether we are bought or not, the contract that you, the county and us signed is still a valid legally binding contract.

535
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:55,920
with all the clauses to shut it off,

536
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:59,380
or if some exceptional circumstance happened to resay.

537
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,200
Nope, it's just not worth the risk.

538
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,160
There are options within the contract

539
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:06,880
to end the relationship and have the cameras turned off.

540
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,460
And my last question, and it is another elephant

541
00:48:12,460 --> 00:48:13,620
in the room, so to speak.

542
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:19,540
Is this a tool, and I know it's a very sensitive subject,

543
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:28,000
But it has to be asked, is this a tool or a form to be used for deportation?

544
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,980
A tool for a form?

545
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,860
Okay, because right now, I mean immigration status, deportation, it's a really big issue.

546
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:42,840
And people's opinions are, they're all over the place.

547
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:48,500
Well, I will tell you, in the policy draft policy I have, we would only share if we shared,

548
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:55,140
would be stayed in local and it would not be used to share with federal for any

549
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:58,460
purpose federal or especially illegal immigration.

550
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:04,320
Okay, and we've also, as we mentioned in the presentation, at the county's

551
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,900
request, we could actually provide an additional layer of protection in that

552
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:14,460
regard. We've spearheaded new search filters for both reproductive health and

553
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:18,480
immigration. So if anyone that you are sharing data with or within your own

554
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:24,480
agency attempts to search under any number of parameters related to immigration, they would

555
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,220
not be able to search the system. And so we could absolutely provide that service and

556
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:31,880
those search filters to the county.

557
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,900
Gentlemen, I think those are all my questions unless something else comes up. Thank you for

558
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:36,200
your time.

559
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:37,740
I've got questions.

560
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:42,810
Somebody cut me off. Can you hear me?

561
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:43,490
We can hear you.

562
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:44,530
It's red.

563
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:46,650
I think all of ours are red now.

564
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:54,050
So when you say the information is deleted in 30 days, what's it deleted from?

565
00:49:55,030 --> 00:50:04,210
The Amazon Web Server GovCloud. So is it still somewhere in your files?

566
00:50:05,530 --> 00:50:11,390
Nope, it only exists in your section of the cloud that is utilized for your services

567
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:17,690
is to get into more technical terms, there's actually a severe sanitation is what they call

568
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:23,690
it, data sanitization that is used, that's the same level of data sanitization that is

569
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:25,450
used for sensitive government documents.

570
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:30,610
Okay, so I'll ask another elephant portion.

571
00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:33,730
You make

572
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:43,990
this sound good, but why are so many cities that already have it, but are not

573
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:45,150
not to add more to it.

574
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,540
Yeah, this is a very individual decision based on a community's balance of public safety

575
00:50:52,540 --> 00:50:53,080
and values.

576
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:56,280
I can tell you, I just looked at the numbers today.

577
00:50:56,660 --> 00:51:04,000
We are in over 5,512, probably more as of this hour, law enforcement agencies across

578
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,520
the country.

579
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,220
There's always going to be a select few that, for any reasons, whether it's budgetary,

580
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:14,860
or, you know, again, talking about that balance between public safety and privacy.

581
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,940
This is a net, as Brandon said at the beginning of this presentation, the balance of privacy and public safety

582
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:28,100
is a very nuanced and tough discussion that varies from not only year to year, but sometimes month to month lately.

583
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:34,940
And as communities are having this discussion, that's what we're seeing a lot of, but actually not even a lot of.

584
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:42,820
because I would say only about this year, I would say six communities. I know you also

585
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:48,740
have San Marcus in the neighborhood that still maintains their cameras and, you know,

586
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:55,000
we're in conversations with other municipalities around the state and country, but less than 10 is

587
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,880
not what we want to make sure we maintain as many of our customers and as many of the agencies

588
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,980
is utilizing us as possible, we understand there's always going to be changes in priorities

589
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:10,000
and budgets that result in losing some customers just naturally every year.

590
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:21,800
If you're talking,

591
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:23,020
I cannot hear you.

592
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,120
If you are talking, I cannot hear you. I can't either.

593
00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:55,470
We were doing so well.

594
00:52:56,350 --> 00:52:57,830
would the tech do

595
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:56,260
you know sign language right

596
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:41,530
are we back

597
01:03:00,370 --> 01:03:01,070
We have audio.

598
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,160
Some of them are quiet.

599
01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:42,500
If the city were to

600
01:12:59,330 --> 01:13:00,430
look outside and see what's going

601
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:07,480
on here, we're mass secret police are rounding up our neighbors and military.

602
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:30,000
I think we probably all understand this is not being done in fifth, eighth, or public safety. In fact, it's making us less safe. Due process is evaporating before our eyes. And we're no longer innocent, self-proving guilty, we're guilty, self-proving innocent. The law that was supposed to apply in the government from impenching on our freedom has been inverted to where people now have

603
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,620
their freedoms impinged upon and they have to prove privacy,

604
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:51,290
yes, but if you trade away

605
01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:53,830
all of your privacy to gain security, you end up with neither.

606
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:58,970
So there's now a mountain of evidence about the abuse of ALPR systems like flock.

607
01:13:59,590 --> 01:14:04,070
In Austin, they had a seven day retention policy, the most strict policy in the country.

608
01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:08,550
And they found that up to 20% of searches were not justifiable.

609
01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:14,390
And I just want to end by reading a quote directly from a flock employee this week in 404

610
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:21,910
they said as much as Flock tries to be good stewards of the powerful tech we sell it shows it is really up to the users to serve their communities in good faith

611
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:27,030
Selling to law enforcement is tricky because we assume they will use our tech to do good and then just have hope that

612
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:34,610
They're right even a flock took a stance on permitted use cases a motivated user could simply lie about why they're performing a search

613
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:37,570
We can never know 100% how or why our tools are being used

614
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,880
I am a resident of San Marcos, but I also am the communications director for Ground Game Texas. And I wanted to read a statement on behalf of Kaylee Baskett who is a resident of Lockhart. Her address is 542 Bright Road. She was not able to be here tonight. Mayor councilmembers, neighbors, thank you for the time. I'm here because the proposal to adopt flock automated license plate readers isn't a routine technology purchase.

615
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,140
It's a decision about whether we normalize mass vehicle tracking in a small town that

616
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:35,820
prides itself on trust and accountability.

617
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,220
First, look at the pattern elsewhere.

618
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:44,080
Major cities are now in winding these deals because of privacy, legality, and misuse concerns.

619
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:49,840
Denver City Council voted unanimously not to extend its flock contract this spring, citing

620
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,660
data sharing and surveillance risks.

621
01:15:51,660 --> 01:15:57,960
Evanson, Illinois, deactivated all 19 FOC cameras and issued a termination notice after

622
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,420
a state audit raised serious compliance issues.

623
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:01,880
Oak Park followed.

624
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:06,660
If larger cities with deep resources are stepping back, that should give a small community like

625
01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:07,320
RS Paws.

626
01:16:07,940 --> 01:16:12,380
Second, recent incidents show how easily the system can be misused across jurisdictions.

627
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:18,940
This summer, investigative reporting field, a Texas sheriff's office used FOC's national

628
01:16:18,940 --> 01:16:25,460
look up to query more than eight, sorry, 83,000 cameras across the country while searching

629
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:29,620
for a woman suspected of a self-managed abortion reaching into states where that conduct

630
01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:34,640
is legal. Members of Congress have since demanded answers from flock about this tool in its

631
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:39,800
safeguards. This is not a hypothetical concern, it already happened. In response to mounting

632
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,060
scrutiny, flocked to submitted pilots with federal agencies such as Customs of Border

633
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:48,740
Protection and Homeland Security Investigations, and restricted parts of its national

634
01:16:48,740 --> 01:16:50,080
we'll look at featuring some states.

635
01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:53,180
Those moves were admissions that guardrails were inadequate.

636
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,700
When a vendor has to hit the brakes mid-flight,

637
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,860
it's a signal that localities like ours

638
01:16:57,860 --> 01:16:59,760
shouldn't be the next test case.

639
01:17:00,460 --> 01:17:03,860
Third, data sharing can violate local policy and state law,

640
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:05,940
even if our police act in good faith.

641
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,640
In Richmond, Virginia, Federal agents access the city's

642
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,260
flock network for immigration,

643
01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:13,340
look at contrary to local policy,

644
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,320
the police chief cut off that access

645
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:16,740
only after it was discovered.

646
01:17:16,740 --> 01:17:21,880
Illinois Secretary of State launched an investigation after suburban departments shared

647
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,600
plate data use and abortion and immigration searches barred by state law.

648
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,860
If bigger departments are tripping these wires, it's naive to think we'll never face

649
01:17:29,860 --> 01:17:30,860
similar exposure.

650
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,200
Fourth, errors in overreliance create safety and liability risks.

651
01:17:35,780 --> 01:17:40,240
National outlets have documented wrongful stops triggered by plate reader hits or simple

652
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,580
data entry to mistakes.

653
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,360
People who are put over at gunpoint because the system or an operator got it wrong.

654
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,220
That's the interest for residents and costly for taxpayers.

655
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:55,080
Technology that's right most of the time isn't good enough when the consequence of error is again point stop on our streets.

656
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:56,300
Thank you.

657
01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:20,670
I believe these are active again, so if you just want to tap your microphone.

658
01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:29,740
Good evening Council, my name is Sam Bonavivas.

659
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:35,500
I live in San Marcos, and I know some of us feel about that, but I work here in Lockhart.

660
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:39,980
Our office is just down the road right across from the courthouse.

661
01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:47,200
And I'm here because I'm really, really concerned about the growing presence of automated

662
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,580
license plate readers across our region.

663
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:56,660
I've been speaking out before multiple lawmaking bodies the last few months, first in San

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01:18:56,660 --> 01:19:02,360
Marcos, where as you all know, our city council voted against expansion of the flock cameras

665
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:09,900
because they understand that we are living in a new political reality and they just know

666
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:15,560
the risk that comes with it, both privacy and immigration and protecting our neighbors.

667
01:19:16,660 --> 01:19:21,300
Also, in Kyle, residents are speaking out in Hayes County, as y'all mentioned, people

668
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:29,320
are speaking out and now here. But it's really concerning how quickly this tool of mass

669
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:34,080
surveillance is coming to our region. And I just want to share with you why I'm so concerned

670
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,920
just to give you some additional perspective ahead of this critical vote tonight. So, of

671
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:45,200
course immigration concerns, right? So what I'm going to read is an excerpt from the

672
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:57,240
calls will counties data sharing agreement with DPS. So section A2 says the user agency,

673
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,820
so calls will county sheriff's office and this is their data sharing agreement. User agency

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01:20:01,820 --> 01:20:07,800
shall allow Texas DPS to share the user agency's data contributed to the LPR database with

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01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,020
with other authorized criminal justice

676
01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:11,440
or law enforcement agencies.

677
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:14,660
And I say that because I'm not sure if you all know

678
01:20:14,660 --> 01:20:17,980
but DPS and ICE work very closely together.

679
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,700
A lot of times DPS will pull someone over

680
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:22,500
and ICE is like five minutes away

681
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:24,540
and that's how a lot of the deportations are happening.

682
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,180
It's not even jailed to deportation pipeline.

683
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,300
It's right, you know, ticket to deportation pipeline.

684
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:33,540
And so we know that DPS works very closely with ICE.

685
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,420
So that's one thing that I would really urge you to take a look at

686
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:40,240
is law-cart sharing data with DPS because, you know,

687
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:41,880
flocks are going to say, we're not working with ICE.

688
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,640
Law-cart police departments are going to say, we're not working with ICE.

689
01:20:44,980 --> 01:20:46,060
Are they working with DPS?

690
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:49,680
Is a question that I think is very paramount.

691
01:20:51,180 --> 01:20:54,360
I'm also really concerned about the targeting of political descendants.

692
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,100
As someone who has been very outspoken,

693
01:20:57,780 --> 01:21:00,340
I am seeing the attacks on free speech.

694
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,660
I don't think anyone in this room, despite where you fall in the political spectrum,

695
01:21:04,660 --> 01:21:10,660
can argue that we are not living in a new political reality where free speech is being suppressed

696
01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:17,740
and punished in a text of state. We just had a professor who was fired. There have been times,

697
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:25,860
is that my time? Damn, I'm out of lumber to say. Yeah, there's a lot more notes that I had, but I just,

698
01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:31,760
I really like Taylor's comment to, you know, be leaders. I understand there's

699
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,780
FOMO, if you're missing out, and I would encourage you to be leaders in this fight.

700
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:37,500
Thank you.

701
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:55,350
Mayor Council, we do have our audio-visual system back up, however, due to the sensitive nature

702
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:56,330
of it at this time.

703
01:21:56,590 --> 01:22:01,850
We're recommending that we do not add the flock representatives back by Zoom tonight.

704
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:04,830
That way we can navigate the rest of the agenda, however.

705
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:09,130
Council, if you like, this item could be tabled after receiving citizen comments.

706
01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:11,170
If you decide to move forward with the discussion.

707
01:22:11,170 --> 01:22:14,950
if not, the different action can be taken.

708
01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:40,320
I do have a quick question, excuse me,

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01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:41,300
before you get started.

710
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:46,500
So we're not going to speak with the representatives,

711
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:47,580
again, this evening.

712
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:50,180
That is correct.

713
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:53,760
Yes, now what we can do is ask them to join us in person

714
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:56,400
at a future meeting to get additional information

715
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,160
and follow up to the questions asked tonight

716
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,680
if that's the direction of council.

717
01:23:00,940 --> 01:23:02,200
And what's the reasoning for that?

718
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:09,800
It's the audiovisual system not having the full capacity to handle a live zoom stream.

719
01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:10,120
Okay.

720
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:12,680
That is the reason we had an outage previously.

721
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,700
Okay, so we just don't have the technology we'll support the continuance of the zoom.

722
01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:18,860
Correct, it's very fickle right now.

723
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:19,440
Thank you.

724
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:19,840
Thank you.

725
01:23:20,780 --> 01:23:27,780
Okay, so Bonnie Marshall, I live on Montevista, I've lived in Lockhart for 45 plus years.

726
01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:41,540
and before I start with my intended remarks, I fact-checked the presenters in the time they

727
01:23:41,540 --> 01:23:52,180
were speaking with my security software expert. And he says that there's a group that's curated

728
01:23:52,180 --> 01:24:00,420
funded by an industry consortium funded by NIST and there's something called CVEs which

729
01:24:00,420 --> 01:24:07,700
are vulnerability and people, programmers, check to see if systems are secure.

730
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,660
I can forward you this information but it is definitely not secure.

731
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:17,420
I went to the site and there was a long list of vulnerabilities.

732
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:22,460
The other thing is, the man said that they've never been breached.

733
01:24:22,980 --> 01:24:24,440
The beginning of September,

734
01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:30,870
the immigration authorities, the federal immigration authorities

735
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:43,170
breached all of the Illinois flock cameras in, there he is, in an attempt to look at immigrants.

736
01:24:43,950 --> 01:24:51,090
It was stopped and the company said something like this was a pilot program and we're not

737
01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:52,230
using it anymore.

738
01:24:53,770 --> 01:25:01,410
So that was just spontaneous research I was doing while I was listening to other comments

739
01:25:01,410 --> 01:25:03,850
and questions and you've asked some good ones.

740
01:25:04,610 --> 01:25:12,650
The Institute of Justice is a nonprofit public interest law firm whose mission is to end widespread

741
01:25:12,650 --> 01:25:18,330
abuses of government power and secure the constitutional rights for all Americans.

742
01:25:19,130 --> 01:25:25,010
I'm assuming that all of you have taken oath to abide by the Constitution when you were

743
01:25:25,010 --> 01:25:26,610
sworn in your office.

744
01:25:27,710 --> 01:25:32,430
This law firm has established a program called the Plate Privacy Project.

745
01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:39,830
This nationwide campaign's purpose is to push back against the arbitrary and unrestricted

746
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:42,570
use of automatic license plate readers.

747
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:52,070
The group filed a lawsuit against the city of Norfolk, Virginia, last October, 2024.

748
01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:59,270
The Fourth Amendment does not allow the government to establish a surveillance state, or in this

749
01:25:59,270 --> 01:26:00,470
case, a city.

750
01:26:01,730 --> 01:26:06,670
In the past year, there have been seven legal actions in this case.

751
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:08,230
It's still ongoing.

752
01:26:08,230 --> 01:26:14,330
going. The last court action was a reply to the city's attempt to dismiss the case.

753
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:25,820
Okay. We didn't spend money for to oppose the dump. The council decided it didn't want

754
01:26:25,820 --> 01:26:36,980
to get into legal action. The council did not accept the marijuana proposal that was passed

755
01:26:36,980 --> 01:26:41,280
because you didn't, you feared legal action with Ken Paxton and you were

756
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:48,080
right. This will get you into the problem of litigation. I do have one more

757
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:52,920
thing that I'd like to share. I'm going to ask you for 34 seconds. I think this

758
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:59,900
is important. Last week, September 29th, the newly appointed U.S. Attorney Lindsay

759
01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:04,820
Hallehand, the former senior associate staff secretary for Trump and newly

760
01:27:04,820 --> 01:27:11,240
assigned chief prosecutor for the James Cayme and now the Tisha James case submitted a

761
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:17,520
statement of interest in this case. She stated the federal government argues that no

762
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:24,740
American can reasonably expect privacy on public roads and that tracking citizens without

763
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:28,540
warrant is constitutional. I think that's a red flag.

764
01:27:46,540 --> 01:27:51,340
Good evening. My name is Martin Gamblebeck. I live at 100 trailside drive. I'd like to start

765
01:27:51,340 --> 01:27:55,260
by addressing the privacy concerns. Mr. Shan learned Williams laid out some good points

766
01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:58,680
about the F-60 of these cameras, but none of what they laid out can account for the

767
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,780
potential for misuse of these systems represent. Those who have spoken before me have already

768
01:28:02,780 --> 01:28:06,840
outlined the many violations already committed in the infant stages of this technology. Who

769
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:12,100
knows where to go from there. Furthermore, these systems come equipped with high intensity

770
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:16,580
speakers and flashing lights that are extremely disruptive to people in their vicinity when

771
01:28:16,580 --> 01:28:21,320
activated. So anyone from a man enjoying his day in the park to a field children playing

772
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,240
outside can easily be here asked all from the comfort of some office building 20 miles

773
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:25,580
away.

774
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,160
Mr. Larson also brought up that data from these systems can be subpoenaed.

775
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,940
Meaning it can only be defended from ICE and the state or federal government for as long

776
01:28:34,940 --> 01:28:36,180
as they choose to ignore it.

777
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,360
The worst case scenario is a federal agency having 24-hour surveillance of our community

778
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,540
to watch whomever they want, whenever they want.

779
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,560
I'm not trying to disparage the moral character of our police department or anyone who will

780
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,560
of access to these systems, but these cameras are gistening at all in our community is a

781
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:56,280
massive risk to our community's privacy and safety as Mr. Schandler himself admitted.

782
01:28:57,140 --> 01:29:03,020
In terms of cost, $50,000 is a substantial amount given the rather thin balance between

783
01:29:03,020 --> 01:29:09,040
our revenue and expenses. A further $21,000 a year would be equally impactful long-term. In

784
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,680
terms of crying prevention, there are far more effective programs we can invest that money

785
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:17,460
For example, the study conducted in 2024 showed that for every $1 spent on providing

786
01:29:17,460 --> 01:29:22,000
contraceptives to the public saved $7 in crime prevention and prosecution down the line.

787
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,940
Increases in funding for food stamps, food banks, and other social safety nets show similar

788
01:29:26,940 --> 01:29:27,860
ratios of success.

789
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:34,240
So it would relieve pressure on the public, on the police department, more to stop crime

790
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,360
in the first place than to catch people after the fact.

791
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,160
Lastly, these systems are tall, bulky, and imposing.

792
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:47,060
They are meant to be so, and frankly, I don't think anyone in this town wants to be looking over their shoulder constantly wondering who might be watching them.

793
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,020
Thank you very much.

794
01:30:05,740 --> 01:30:15,480
Good evening, Pat Stroka, 1204, Sierra Vistico. There's been a lot of talk about elephants in the room this evening, so I just kind of want to continue on that.

795
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:33,480
I think we all know the trend of what's happening with our police officers in Lockhart is that we train up some good officers and we lose them primarily to Hayes County. So I'm really kind of a first things first guy on this.

796
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:41,040
I know I think it's kind of common sense that if we don't have good veteran

797
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:47,140
officers out on our streets it really hurts our community. Councilman Castillo

798
01:30:47,140 --> 01:30:52,520
kind of talked about trust earlier and I kind of grabbed a hold of that. Having

799
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:57,440
veteran officers who live here, who are going to retire here, that's when the

800
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:00,900
community gets trust. I mean we hired a police officer recently that everybody

801
01:31:00,900 --> 01:31:04,420
knew and was glad to see him back. Those are the kind of folks that we need.

802
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:07,600
But for us to get,

803
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:16,180
so for us to get a handle on, I'm sorry, so first I'd like for us to get a handle on police

804
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:23,200
retention before we spend this other kind of money on a camera. We at least need to be in the ballpark,

805
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,440
in the ballpark of what other counties offer to be able to keep our police officers here.

806
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:37,980
So, I'm a first things first guy, let's utilize this money that we would spend this $21,000

807
01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:41,480
in some way for police retention first.

808
01:31:42,340 --> 01:31:47,440
Down the road when we have this solved and we're a big enough community that we can handle

809
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:53,180
it, then entertaining other things from whoever that might help our law enforcement agency,

810
01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:54,540
that's a great idea of that.

811
01:31:55,140 --> 01:31:55,560
Thank you.

812
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:56,280
Okay.

813
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:18,900
Technology is finished.

814
01:32:19,060 --> 01:32:19,820
Thank you.

815
01:32:19,940 --> 01:32:20,460
Go ahead.

816
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:21,520
Good evening.

817
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:22,720
And thanks for the opportunity.

818
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,820
Thank you all for your critical questions on this issue too.

819
01:32:25,980 --> 01:32:28,120
I really appreciate that you're taking it very seriously.

820
01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:30,200
My name is Steve Anderson.

821
01:32:30,460 --> 01:32:31,640
I live at 1308 Aspen.

822
01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:38,180
I'm sorry if I missed anything in the first little bit.

823
01:32:39,300 --> 01:32:43,100
The gentleman on the telepresence is asking us for a lot of trust.

824
01:32:43,860 --> 01:32:46,540
And it seems to me that in recent years we've got constant

825
01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:52,500
Reminders that companies can't be counted on for their moral leadership or accountability.

826
01:32:53,240 --> 01:33:00,720
Mr. Chandler represents a four-profit company and he's very interested in us and our opinions

827
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,100
and values right now.

828
01:33:03,380 --> 01:33:10,200
Any contract we sign, suddenly the loudest voice in his ear will be the investors in his company,

829
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:20,780
possibly other bad actors in government at higher levels regulators who can put

830
01:33:20,780 --> 01:33:27,860
pressure on this company to provide data covertly or improperly. If there's

831
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:32,000
any trouble Mr. Chandler will almost certainly put his business ahead of our

832
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:32,500
interests.

833
01:33:34,910 --> 01:33:39,090
There's also a lot large trend in the federal government these days of

834
01:33:39,090 --> 01:33:43,310
using data for targeting public and private citizens.

835
01:33:44,190 --> 01:33:47,810
We know, for instance, that the director of federal housing

836
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:52,290
and finance agency has been accusing other members

837
01:33:52,290 --> 01:33:57,490
of the government of taking out multiple mortgages

838
01:33:57,490 --> 01:33:59,710
going through public data and kind of a dragnet.

839
01:34:00,030 --> 01:34:03,330
So one of the comments earlier was

840
01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:06,650
that we can draw a circle around this data

841
01:34:06,650 --> 01:34:10,110
and limit how far it goes that we can say

842
01:34:10,730 --> 01:34:12,510
we want it to be limited to the city

843
01:34:12,510 --> 01:34:14,150
or we want it to be limited to the state.

844
01:34:14,530 --> 01:34:19,190
But it was also mentioned that once that goes beyond

845
01:34:19,190 --> 01:34:21,710
a certain point, we don't know who's gonna be using

846
01:34:21,710 --> 01:34:22,450
that data anymore.

847
01:34:23,130 --> 01:34:25,570
I personally don't take a lot of comfort in the idea

848
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:31,370
that anything is gonna stop at the state line of Texas.

849
01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:35,810
I find it difficult to believe that if our state government

850
01:34:35,810 --> 01:34:38,310
it was pressed for data regarding immigration,

851
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:45,150
individual citizens' rights that they would put up a strong resistance to that.

852
01:34:45,310 --> 01:34:51,790
And I really encourage everyone to consider how hard they're willing to fight to keep this data private.

853
01:34:52,230 --> 01:34:59,090
I'm only to stipulate that our local law enforcement is a paragon of virtue that their current leadership has nothing but

854
01:34:59,090 --> 01:35:07,150
But the best intentions, they may face pressure from state agencies, federal agencies.

855
01:35:08,190 --> 01:35:12,390
There's a potential for a lot of great areas, I'll wrap up.

856
01:35:14,250 --> 01:35:21,710
You know, Warren Sirtricky, Warren Sir Slippery, they could be pressured by another nearby

857
01:35:22,570 --> 01:35:22,890
precinct.

858
01:35:22,990 --> 01:35:24,910
They could be pressured by another level of government.

859
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:30,030
So I hope that law enforcement will consider that it might be prudent for them to not have

860
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:34,230
this information as well just because not having it is probably the best way to keep it secure.

861
01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:36,830
Thank you, sir.

862
01:35:41,950 --> 01:35:42,690
Jessica Rutland.

863
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,760
Jessica Rutland, 1600 Shenandoah. I sometimes write you guys

864
01:35:53,760 --> 01:36:00,280
super long annoying emails. You're so welcome. Just to start things off as dramatically as possible.

865
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:07,580
So I first read 1984 as a kid and I couldn't figure out how anyone could let it happen this dystopian

866
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:14,500
world where we're watched by a network of automated cameras, surveil and identify and create

867
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:15,620
a permanent state's witness.

868
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:20,260
And everyone knows that they're being watched all the time, and they used to think that

869
01:36:20,260 --> 01:36:24,940
to let it happen, you had to be stupid or evil, but the truth is the way that it happens

870
01:36:24,940 --> 01:36:30,560
is that really smart, ruminating people let it happen a little bit at a time.

871
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:36,040
And the way that it happens is the watchers tell you how easy it's going to make your life,

872
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,000
But I want you to ask how easy it really is.

873
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:43,420
When they tell you how cost effective it is, I want you to ask how cost effective it

874
01:36:43,420 --> 01:36:48,820
was for Aurora, Colorado, when they paid out a $2 million settlement when an AI license

875
01:36:48,820 --> 01:36:52,900
plate reader misidentified a vehicle is stolen and resulted in a bad stop.

876
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:58,720
I want you to think about the cities paying the cost of lawsuits, Norfolk, West Hartford,

877
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:02,200
Richmond, Portsmouth, New Canaan, Darien, so many more.

878
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,080
When they tell you that your officers are going to save time with the leads that the

879
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:11,980
system is going to find for you, I want you to consider Oak Park, Illinois, where 40%

880
01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:14,640
of stops from flock data were mistakes.

881
01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:19,680
And ask if it's a good use of officers' time to harass innocent people because sometimes

882
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,780
their cameras read sevens as two.

883
01:37:22,580 --> 01:37:26,480
When they promise you that you're in control of the data, I want you to consider that Austin

884
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:31,160
City Council made sure that their contracts said that data had to be deleted within a week.

885
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:36,800
and then an independent audit found that flock was actually retaining worldwide usage rights in

886
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:44,200
perpetuity for plate data that they were scanning. My dad was a Reagan Republican who was also a

887
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:50,180
founding father nerd who had me quoting Patrick Henry by the age of 10 and he lived by a lot of

888
01:37:50,180 --> 01:37:56,600
principles. One of them being that if you are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety you don't

889
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:02,960
or either. This big tech surveillance stuff would have him rolling in his grave if we hadn't

890
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:09,140
had him cremated. So the end of the thing that even if none of my concerns were valid

891
01:38:09,140 --> 01:38:14,620
and all the systems did was provide an easier way to do policing, it still comes at the cost

892
01:38:14,620 --> 01:38:21,640
of our constitutional right to be protected by warrantless search. And I know the community

893
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,800
to be pleasing with limited resources and limited personnel is hard and that this might

894
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:33,920
offer an easier way, and I'm going to ask, let's do it the hard way anyway, because

895
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:39,920
I really hope I play that each of you believes that we are worth doing hard things.

896
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:45,040
I especially hope that anyone who aspires to where the badge believes that we are worth doing

897
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:45,900
hard things.

898
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:50,060
And I don't want you to sell the fourth amendment rights of everyone in this room because

899
01:38:50,060 --> 01:38:54,960
It's easy and I certainly don't want you to sub mine because I'm still using them. Thank you

900
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:56,360
Mr.

901
01:39:02,430 --> 01:39:04,090
Jimmy Bertram you

902
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:11,580
get two minutes

903
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:18,920
Jimmy Bertram 1021 Bowie

904
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:27,560
As you all know everybody here knows, but I'm just gonna repeat it because of what I'm gonna say former mayor of the city of Lockhart

905
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:37,620
When we take these positions, when we swear in, we swear in to defend the Constitution

906
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:48,180
and the rights of the people against foreign and domestic actors that would violate those rights.

907
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:55,600
Our rights are currently being chipped away just little by little on the federal government,

908
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:03,200
on the federal level, the state level, I never ever thought that our city, our local government,

909
01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:11,160
would even be considering something like this. If you can't see it as a violation, just because

910
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:16,220
the courts have ruled that it's not a violation of our rights doesn't mean it's not a violation.

911
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:23,740
It is still a violation. Court rulings are turned over all the time and this one certainly will be too.

912
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:32,520
I ask you all to please do what your first call to do and that is defend my

913
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:38,120
rights, defend my grandchildren's rights, defend all of these people's rights

914
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:45,820
first. Them cameras ain't worth that. They're not worth it. If we had a issue with

915
01:40:45,820 --> 01:40:53,160
crime rising, which we do not, our crime rate is staying pretty steady. In fact,

916
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:59,520
it's dropping a little bit in some areas. What is the need for it? We do not need them.

917
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:07,080
We don't need them at the cost of violating everybody's rights. When I watched the gentleman's

918
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:14,420
presentation, he said that the City of Luling had dealings with flock. They don't have the cameras.

919
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:22,780
They do not. Hayes County currently has it on their agenda for the 14th to shut all of those

920
01:41:22,780 --> 01:41:30,040
cameras off and cancel their contract. The City of San Marcus voted against expanding

921
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:38,780
it and to later consider canceling it all together. That is the truth about the thing. Those

922
01:41:38,780 --> 01:41:45,940
cameras are a huge liability to the city, a huge liability. Flock won't be on the hook for

923
01:41:45,940 --> 01:41:53,260
when we get sued. It'll be us. It'll come straight out of our pocket. TML will help with

924
01:41:53,260 --> 01:42:00,740
the defense, but the citizens are going to pay for it. We will pay for it. I've sent

925
01:42:00,740 --> 01:42:07,140
you all the information that I considered important. I'm sorry, Mr. Larson, that I did not

926
01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:11,360
send it to you. I didn't have your number, but I've communicated with the rest of y'all.

927
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:18,000
You know how I feel about it. Please vote against this and never consider something like this again.

928
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:19,020
Thanks, sir.

929
01:42:23,060 --> 01:42:24,800
And Mr. Bob Cole,

930
01:42:34,260 --> 01:42:40,660
Cole, 1704 Paintbrush, here in Lockhart. I guess I'm into minority, but my dad used to be a cop,

931
01:42:41,060 --> 01:42:43,060
a city cop, a deputy sheriff.

932
01:42:44,740 --> 01:42:50,720
He doesn't public safety for a lot of years in the fire department, but I think it's a good idea,

933
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,860
because I just got locked out on my stupid thing.

934
01:42:55,560 --> 01:43:01,260
Okay, as I've read over the, I think 14 pages

935
01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:06,620
at the end of the agenda sent out by the city clerk

936
01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:10,060
and it had a lot of information.

937
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:15,650
Like as the chief said, they don't take pictures

938
01:43:15,650 --> 01:43:16,770
of the people on the vehicles.

939
01:43:17,050 --> 01:43:20,010
It's just the license plate, bumper stickers,

940
01:43:20,010 --> 01:43:26,130
windows stickers that we identified it kind of makes a fingerprint of that

941
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:26,610
vehicle.

942
01:43:28,650 --> 01:43:37,170
As far as amber alerts, silver alerts, all-point bulletins from other

943
01:43:37,170 --> 01:43:43,530
local jurisdictions. If they've got a color and description of the vehicle and

944
01:43:43,530 --> 01:43:48,410
sometimes some, oh yeah, and it had this bumper sticker or something on it. It goes

945
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:57,730
in there and it would pick that up. As I understand it I don't know how big a package of those

946
01:43:57,730 --> 01:44:05,490
14 pages the city's looking at but as I read it any gunshots things like that the cameras pick it

947
01:44:05,490 --> 01:44:11,150
up they can kind of pinpoint it get people started every

948
01:44:14,890 --> 01:44:18,610
30 days the stored information is automatically

949
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:32,500
I believe it's up to the local, I may have read that wrong, the local officials to decide

950
01:44:32,500 --> 01:44:35,180
what's used and how and for the guidance.

951
01:44:39,490 --> 01:44:46,730
Years ago my dad has gotten kind of dementia and he disappeared after dropping his wife

952
01:44:46,730 --> 01:44:51,010
off at the hospital for surgery and never came back the next day to get her.

953
01:44:51,670 --> 01:44:56,670
Ten days later he was found hundreds of miles away where he finally ran out of gas

954
01:44:56,670 --> 01:44:57,890
in the middle of nowhere.

955
01:45:00,020 --> 01:45:16,320
And picked up a slices plate, it would have saved a whole lot of anxiety for the family and all. But I think it's a good idea. When we lived in Kyle years ago, they're kind of a small city, and then they started growing kind

956
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:32,000
of crazy apartments and housing and all like we got. And we were getting gangs down from Austin that were coming into the neighborhoods and ripping stuff out off cars and breaking

957
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:40,320
into houses and then they take off back up to Austin, they had I-35, 16, 26 and all that.

958
01:45:41,540 --> 01:45:46,480
But if they'd had the readers, every once in a while the police adjacent up to Austin

959
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:50,140
turned it over to Travis County and then they'd lose them.

960
01:45:51,060 --> 01:45:54,020
And I think this would be real beneficial for keeping that down.

961
01:45:54,180 --> 01:45:59,900
We've got 130 right here, 142 and they can go any directions and I just think it'd be

962
01:45:59,900 --> 01:46:06,880
hopeful to have the cameras. Thank you. Thank you sir. Are you coming? Is there anyone else who

963
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,800
would like to address this one particular issue?

964
01:46:13,260 --> 01:46:16,560
So we had a recommendation from staff to

965
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:23,380
table this until we can arrange an in-person presentation from the block company.

966
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:32,240
Does that need to be put into a motion? Well this is work session to do so if that's the feeling of

967
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:36,420
the council. That's the action we'll take in the regular session.

968
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,280
I feel like I received enough information from Bob tonight.

969
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:49,640
I will take that up in the regular meeting.

970
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:56,620
I mean, we don't need direction right now. We'll take a vote up when we take the

971
01:46:56,620 --> 01:46:57,060
regular meeting.

972
01:47:06,130 --> 01:47:08,430
Okay, let's take about a 10-minute break then.

973
01:47:15,970 --> 01:47:20,130
Okay, now. Okay, so at this time we're going to go ahead and go into the regular

974
01:47:20,130 --> 01:47:26,090
meeting and continue on with the meeting in lieu of the works that continue in the work

975
01:47:26,090 --> 01:47:26,450
session.

976
01:47:26,670 --> 01:47:28,550
Would you please rise for the invocation?

977
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:29,970
Let's believe it.

978
01:47:33,730 --> 01:47:36,470
Dear Lord, please watch over us.

979
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:46,230
Give us the vision, the wisdom, the patience to continue to listen to the concerns of the

980
01:47:46,230 --> 01:47:57,290
the citizens as we continue on in our duty to serve our community, please give us the

981
01:47:57,910 --> 01:48:04,890
strength to make the best decisions that will be for the benefit of our town in your

982
01:48:04,890 --> 01:48:05,470
name we pray.

983
01:48:05,470 --> 01:48:06,670
I mean to

984
01:48:10,580 --> 01:48:17,400
the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God

985
01:48:18,260 --> 01:48:20,580
Indivisible with liberty justice for all

986
01:48:27,980 --> 01:48:28,740
Welcome

987
01:48:32,860 --> 01:48:34,980
everyone to the night's council meeting

988
01:48:36,060 --> 01:48:41,800
Appreciate everybody's patience as we went through a that long item

989
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:48,620
At this time, we will go to public comments.

990
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:54,580
Is there anyone else here who would like to address council on issues that are or are not on the agenda?

991
01:48:58,570 --> 01:49:10,970
Seeing none, then we will go to item 4A, approve the councilman's from the October 15, 2024, and November 7, 2024 meetings.

992
01:49:10,970 --> 01:49:14,330
Here are motion.

993
01:49:15,710 --> 01:49:16,010
Here are motion.

994
01:49:16,010 --> 01:49:18,410
Motion from Councilman Mickelson to hear a second.

995
01:49:18,810 --> 01:49:19,230
Second.

996
01:49:19,650 --> 01:49:22,530
Second from Councilman Castillo and the other discussion.

997
01:49:23,170 --> 01:49:24,450
All in favor, please raise your hand.

998
01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:26,350
Opposed? Motion passes.

999
01:49:27,950 --> 01:49:33,350
Item 4B approved the terms of a new lease agreement with Toshiba, America Business Solutions

1000
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:38,610
Inc., for copier equipment in the city facilities and authorized the city manager to excuse

1001
01:49:38,610 --> 01:49:39,350
the lease agreement.

1002
01:49:43,480 --> 01:49:46,260
Evening Council, Keely Finance Director.

1003
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:52,560
The city's current copier lease agreement with Toshiba America Business Solutions has expired.

1004
01:49:53,040 --> 01:50:00,980
The existing copiers, now 8 to 10 years old, require frequent maintenance and are increasingly incompatible with software and security updates.

1005
01:50:01,660 --> 01:50:07,180
Staff has worked with Toshiba to develop a proposal that meets the current and future needs of the city departments.

1006
01:50:07,180 --> 01:50:14,420
The new 60-month lease agreement provides for the replacement of 10 existing copiers in the addition of one new machine.

1007
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:24,540
The monthly lease payment of $2,163 includes toner, replacement parts, and labor and also upgrades equipment from black and white to color.

1008
01:50:25,020 --> 01:50:35,280
In addition, the new copiers will feature enhanced technology including software upgrades that allow wireless and mobile printing, improving accessibility and efficiency.

1009
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:43,220
Toshiba participates in the Texas Department of Information Resources purchasing program which meets city procurement requirements.

1010
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:49,100
Approval of the proposed terms will ensure reliable copier equipment across the city facilities,

1011
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:56,780
maintain compatibility with security and system updates and provide modern technology to better support departmental operations.

1012
01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:58,480
Any questions?

1013
01:51:01,940 --> 01:51:02,260
Yes, sir?

1014
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:08,240
Any other questions or discussion?

1015
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:11,000
And you'll hear a motion.

1016
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:12,920
Make a motion to approve, Mayor.

1017
01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:15,780
I have a motion from Councilman Castillo to hear a second.

1018
01:51:16,060 --> 01:51:16,360
Second.

1019
01:51:16,620 --> 01:51:19,320
Second from Councilman Westmoreland, any other discussion?

1020
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:21,300
All in favor, please raise your hand.

1021
01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:24,200
Those motion passes 7-0.

1022
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:24,880
Thank you, Keely.

1023
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:30,240
Go to item 5A, discussion and action regarding law enforcement

1024
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:35,680
agreement with Block Group for the fixed automated license plate

1025
01:51:36,740 --> 01:51:47,500
We've had a long presentation and a long discussion and we've heard comments from many concerned citizens.

1026
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:48,500
Yes, Mayor.

1027
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,800
I'd like to make a motion not to approve.

1028
01:51:51,980 --> 01:51:53,080
Let me finish just a minute.

1029
01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:56,860
So we've had the discussion.

1030
01:51:56,860 --> 01:52:03,960
discussion. It was interrupted by AV problems. There is a recommendation that we bring the

1031
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:13,460
flock representative from Atlanta. That went in for another meeting. We've had a lot

1032
01:52:13,460 --> 01:52:18,580
of comments about things going on in other communities that might give us an opportunity

1033
01:52:18,580 --> 01:52:25,100
to do some research and see what's actually going on in these other communities about what

1034
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:30,800
their experiences are about why they're changing their commitments might give us a little

1035
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:39,940
bit better background on making a decision. So what is the feeling of the council?

1036
01:52:41,060 --> 01:52:42,500
Okay. All right.

1037
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:51,320
I'd like to make a motion to not to go forward with the flat cameras due

1038
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:59,400
to the community outpour of how negative they can impact our community and have them not

1039
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:02,340
come back for another presentation.

1040
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:03,180
Okay.

1041
01:53:03,460 --> 01:53:08,200
We have a motion in a second not to move forward with the flock contract.

1042
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:10,680
But let's go back here.

1043
01:53:10,860 --> 01:53:19,260
I know the motions are on the floor but it's either way or just totally drop it.

1044
01:53:19,340 --> 01:53:19,840
Is that correct?

1045
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:28,100
That's what it is. Any other discussion or questions? All in favor of the motion,

1046
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:28,720
ready to hand.

1047
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:41,740
Motion passes 6-1. Okay, so we will not proceed. All right. Thank y'all,

1048
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:47,540
thank y'all for your input. Thank you for coming tonight. We're going to kind of skip around

1049
01:53:47,540 --> 01:54:01,680
here because we've had a lot of people waiting here. Let's see. Well, let's just go on to a discussion or action regarding the city appointment for the representative to the Coal County Homeless Coalition Board of Directors.

1050
01:54:02,780 --> 01:54:07,880
We had a, I think we had a recommendation from Councilman Larson to a point.

1051
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:14,880
Yes.

1052
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:21,690
That's past your Fisher to we're supposed to give nominations or did he just give that name?

1053
01:54:22,170 --> 01:54:22,270
I'm sorry.

1054
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:25,870
Were we all supposed to give nominations or did he just give that name?

1055
01:54:25,930 --> 01:54:26,230
No, not necessarily.

1056
01:54:26,590 --> 01:54:29,230
Unless you have somebody you want to consider.

1057
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:34,940
Floor is open for nominations.

1058
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:46,300
Is that coalition board, does it have enough members of me to conduct business and what

1059
01:54:46,300 --> 01:54:46,500
not?

1060
01:54:47,260 --> 01:54:55,980
you know so good day my understanding is on this coalition the counties

1061
01:54:55,980 --> 01:55:01,860
represented Louling represented we have a let's write them yeah I'll chill

1062
01:55:01,860 --> 01:55:04,100
come on up them don't

1063
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:13,180
all right good evening mayor and council my name is

1064
01:55:13,180 --> 01:55:18,620
Lee Russ and I am the chairman of the Caldwell County Homeless Coalition.

1065
01:55:19,220 --> 01:55:28,160
We are a team environment should you nominate Pastor Jared, who has been with us since

1066
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:29,900
early on since the formation.

1067
01:55:30,580 --> 01:55:35,680
This month is actually, we're going on two years that the coalition has been working.

1068
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:42,440
our coalition was the first coalition in the county to officially count our

1069
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:48,700
homeless in January of this year and so we plan we will start counting in

1070
01:55:48,700 --> 01:55:56,080
January of next year. Part of that is we realized early on this year the board

1071
01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:02,040
did and then we added the governing body appointment director positions and in

1072
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:08,780
that, as Will has said earlier, the county made an appointment, the City of Luling made

1073
01:56:08,780 --> 01:56:15,780
an appointment, and the City of Martindale recently made their appointment. That is a voting

1074
01:56:15,780 --> 01:56:23,720
member to determine the direction of this organization, this nonprofit. We do have our field

1075
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:32,420
office here in Lockhart, the majority of those that we serve, I was looking at the numbers

1076
01:56:32,420 --> 01:56:37,600
this morning, the majority of those that we serve are in the Lockhart area.

1077
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:48,800
And so the two representatives that the board put before you in your packet, one was Miss

1078
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,820
Tina Ramsey. She apologizes that she couldn't be here tonight. She's in training in San

1079
01:56:52,820 --> 01:57:01,140
Antonio for you guys. I don't know if we're cheap. But in the other gentleman, Pastor

1080
01:57:01,140 --> 01:57:05,540
Jared, Pastor Jay is another one of those that have been with us since the beginning. They

1081
01:57:05,540 --> 01:57:09,800
get along together. We've seen them get along together. They come to our meetings. They've

1082
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:15,500
been coming to our board meetings, sitting in either one of those individuals would make

1083
01:57:15,500 --> 01:57:18,400
make an excellent addition to the coalitions, so.

1084
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:26,860
Mr. Rusk, if I'm sorry, Mayor, if I may, you indicated that your coalition was housed out of Blackjack

1085
01:57:26,860 --> 01:57:39,840
and just for the record, just to let people know that are listening, and you know, from the comfort of their homes, is the location that your house that is the new thrift store here that's in lock heart.

1086
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:41,260
Am I correct in saying that?

1087
01:57:41,260 --> 01:57:46,360
That you are, but the we team dealt with another local nonprofit delivering hope.

1088
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:51,620
And they have recently, they are getting ready to have a grand opening at their new facility,

1089
01:57:51,820 --> 01:57:54,380
the old connection center.

1090
01:57:54,620 --> 01:57:54,780
Okay.

1091
01:57:55,260 --> 01:57:59,820
Their office is, their administration office is very similar to what we use our field office for.

1092
01:58:00,420 --> 01:58:04,360
We'll stay at the 1205 Blackjack with us.

1093
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:12,140
our field office is available 24-7 whether there's a VAC officer needing to work

1094
01:58:12,140 --> 01:58:16,360
with someone whether we have volunteers bringing someone in whether they

1095
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:22,800
recently incarcerated or someone passing through the community that just ran

1096
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:28,760
across hard times got stranded here we worked we worked very well with the Lockhart

1097
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:37,200
We appreciate this appointment will just allow us to work more together in an official capacity.

1098
01:58:37,540 --> 01:58:40,540
Similar to what we do in other cities in the county.

1099
01:58:40,940 --> 01:58:46,280
Mr. Russ, most of your meetings are conducted during the day.

1100
01:58:46,540 --> 01:58:49,340
Is there any opportunity to conduct the meeting in the evening?

1101
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:51,820
So as working folks can attend.

1102
01:58:53,020 --> 01:59:00,900
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So I'm assuming the meetings you're talking about are some of the public meetings that we hold.

1103
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:05,820
On general, we hold between five and seven public meetings a month.

1104
01:59:06,700 --> 01:59:11,140
We try and we've been jumping between the two libraries, two major libraries.

1105
01:59:11,860 --> 01:59:15,540
We'll start hopefully in the future. We'll jump to Martin Del Library.

1106
01:59:16,940 --> 01:59:25,020
During the day, the professionals in the communities that deal with the homeless population that we have here,

1107
01:59:25,460 --> 01:59:29,640
we put that out to them on a routine basis saying, hey, when's the best time?

1108
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:34,880
Because you're dealing, we want to back them up, and we want to, you know, when is the best time for them?

1109
01:59:34,980 --> 01:59:37,940
But yes, sir, we, I hear you loud and clear, yes, sir.

1110
01:59:40,190 --> 01:59:40,830
Any other questions?

1111
01:59:40,830 --> 01:59:42,630
Mayor, are we voting for Tina also?

1112
01:59:43,170 --> 01:59:45,890
I think Tina will be involved whether she's on the board

1113
01:59:45,890 --> 01:59:47,150
because she's on the board.

1114
01:59:47,250 --> 01:59:51,510
Mr. Russ, if you'll tell us what Tina is currently doing,

1115
01:59:52,670 --> 01:59:55,190
and her position that she has, ma'am.

1116
02:00:03,260 --> 02:00:14,700
A good example is when our volunteers provide transportation outside the county in certain circumstances.

1117
02:00:15,460 --> 02:00:20,420
One of the four classifications of homelessness is fleeing domestic violence.

1118
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:26,900
And so early on we built a good relationship, our volunteer, we got close to 40 volunteers

1119
02:00:26,900 --> 02:00:33,020
spread out the VACs, whether it's at the county level or the DA's office or the municipality

1120
02:00:33,020 --> 02:00:38,900
office. Transportation answer your question. Sir, it's a big one because they're sometimes

1121
02:00:38,900 --> 02:00:44,860
unable to transport to, let's say, a Georgetown facility. If you've got a single mother with

1122
02:00:44,860 --> 02:00:52,380
two kids, it's not in your wheelhouse, no different than any other municipality to provide

1123
02:00:52,380 --> 02:00:59,680
that transportation so yeah transportation so is one of the yeah no and that's

1124
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:06,940
pardon me I know Tina's title is changed I can't say what her title official

1125
02:01:06,940 --> 02:01:12,680
title is victim services coordinator okay she'll be actively involved anyway

1126
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:17,280
well I just want to add Mr. Russ thank you for passing on the information but I

1127
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:21,000
do more able to make it today spoke to him earlier and I was just telling and

1128
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:25,000
committing him and the group for helping those citizens

1129
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:28,600
that somehow get written off and get lost in the cracks.

1130
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:32,520
And we want to help everybody kind of get back on the same

1131
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:35,520
path because unfortunately, we're fortunate enough,

1132
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:41,840
but fortunately, these people still have a chance

1133
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:43,080
at getting back on their feet.

1134
02:01:43,620 --> 02:01:47,280
And it's groups like these that can help them get them

1135
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:48,760
in the going in the right direction.

1136
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:55,560
And it's been a long time coming because homelessness has been an occurring issue.

1137
02:01:56,100 --> 02:01:59,480
We just didn't have a place to kind of send them or direct them, you know.

1138
02:01:59,780 --> 02:02:05,580
So I'm glad that y'all are following up with this and continue success and have a week

1139
02:02:05,580 --> 02:02:06,000
and help.

1140
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:11,500
Just reach out to us so we can do that and create an opportunity to do that.

1141
02:02:11,500 --> 02:02:16,320
Do you have a, you may not know, top of your head, what that number is?

1142
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:18,860
Yeah, as of this morning, it's over 300

1143
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:24,200
I'm on card or in the attorney in the no in in law card year-to-date

1144
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:28,080
So for this year since we did our pick count in January

1145
02:02:29,140 --> 02:02:36,340
That's the number that we can certify that meet one of those qualifications as set up by HUD for is meeting

1146
02:02:36,340 --> 02:02:41,880
The homelessness definition. Yeah, so I kind of figured you might ask that question tonight

1147
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,260
So I had our we have a great board secretary

1148
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:55,620
members here tonight. We have Dr. Fisher who's on our board and hopefully based off how you vote

1149
02:02:55,620 --> 02:02:59,600
tonight. Also here tonight for any questions.

1150
02:03:01,740 --> 02:03:07,380
One thing that in the other appointments, the

1151
02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:16,240
governing body appointments, what you can expect at your discretion is a report on

1152
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:21,020
state of homelessness in Caldwell County and then state of homelessness

1153
02:03:21,020 --> 02:03:23,300
specifically in the city limit.

1154
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:27,240
Thank that's number again in the city limit.

1155
02:03:27,540 --> 02:03:28,620
State that number again.

1156
02:03:29,300 --> 02:03:35,300
300 300 yes sir yes sir over 300 or 300 it's over 300 in the city

1157
02:03:35,300 --> 02:03:41,740
limit yes and we say over year year today individual each one of those is an

1158
02:03:41,740 --> 02:03:45,900
individual so we're not counting the same individual twice so we

1159
02:03:45,900 --> 02:03:53,240
Visits through your visits through your office or the ones that volunteers

1160
02:03:53,240 --> 02:04:00,660
trained volunteers have surveyed and based off those survey questions and they

1161
02:04:00,660 --> 02:04:05,460
confirm what we can confirm all right they meet one of the qualifications of

1162
02:04:05,460 --> 02:04:11,060
homelessness because those 300 people are currently in the city of New York's year

1163
02:04:11,060 --> 02:04:16,900
to date. Are those the ones that you have identified here today, but that doesn't mean

1164
02:04:16,900 --> 02:04:25,660
that there's 300 people. That's correct. Yes. So when we did, when we set off to most

1165
02:04:25,660 --> 02:04:34,940
coalitions, they just partake in the pit counts that happened in January. That data, those

1166
02:04:34,940 --> 02:04:42,660
counts in January 2025 shook a lot of us that did that and realized that instead of

1167
02:04:42,660 --> 02:04:49,880
waiting till January 2026 to find out did that number go down and that number go

1168
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:54,100
up. Our coalition the board is a body decided that we're going to count

1169
02:04:54,100 --> 02:05:01,060
monthly because we want to see how many school age kids, how many veterans, how

1170
02:05:01,060 --> 02:05:05,960
many adults and so we wanted to continue doing that.

1171
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:09,420
So we don't know what that

1172
02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:16,580
number is today we just that's it. It's kind of I'm guessing it's pretty hard

1173
02:05:16,580 --> 02:05:23,900
to know what day it was over 300. No I know for the year but I'm saying like some

1174
02:05:32,460 --> 02:05:46,120
I can get you that number and as the city of Lockhart having a governing body director,

1175
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:52,280
that director will be able to provide you those detailed information at your

1176
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:57,100
discretion. So I know some of the question is, what percentage of the homeless

1177
02:05:57,100 --> 02:06:04,520
in law park are trans people? Less than 10% year-to-date, which is on par with the

1178
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:09,620
surrounding communities, believe it or not. Most, you know, it's easy to assume that

1179
02:06:09,620 --> 02:06:15,740
maybe these are you know a larger percentage of those are just moving through

1180
02:06:15,740 --> 02:06:20,140
and that's not always the case. When we when we generate a case a homeless

1181
02:06:20,140 --> 02:06:26,040
case on a on a single mother with two small children we follow them through

1182
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:31,300
that system. We do everything we can at the local level to to assist in

1183
02:06:31,300 --> 02:06:36,980
getting off that classification list and and we put together some really good

1184
02:06:36,980 --> 02:06:46,020
SOPs, we run a very tight ship, we are self-funded, we're not coming here tonight to ask for funding,

1185
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:52,380
we're coming here to ask for a representative that represents this body in the city to

1186
02:06:52,380 --> 02:06:55,040
be able to determine the future of this organization.

1187
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:03,460
So when you get those updated actual figures, please pass those on and please forward your

1188
02:07:03,460 --> 02:07:06,240
criteria for being judged so much.

1189
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:11,640
Of course, we use HUD definitions, the four categories that's, yes sir, who can be happy to.

1190
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:14,520
I'm sorry, but I just have one last question for you, if I may, sir.

1191
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:20,080
And it's very unfortunate that we do have individuals that fall into this category.

1192
02:07:21,140 --> 02:07:24,700
But I'm curious out of the individuals that you have helped,

1193
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,740
have you had any individuals who have been violent or have become violent?

1194
02:07:29,740 --> 02:07:31,160
We have not.

1195
02:07:31,540 --> 02:07:32,400
We have not.

1196
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:33,520
Okay.

1197
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:34,080
Knock on wood, yes, sir.

1198
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:34,440
Okay.

1199
02:07:34,500 --> 02:07:34,840
Thank you.

1200
02:07:35,220 --> 02:07:36,280
We have not.

1201
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:37,220
Thank you, sir.

1202
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:41,980
Do you have success stories of people that have gotten out of the homeless category?

1203
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:43,120
Of course.

1204
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:44,000
Of course.

1205
02:07:44,490 --> 02:07:45,380
Connecting with family.

1206
02:07:46,140 --> 02:07:53,180
Whether that's, you know, whether that's San Antonio, we had a story just about two weeks ago.

1207
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:59,120
Two volunteers gave a local individual that was living on the streets in Lockhart.

1208
02:08:00,260 --> 02:08:04,480
We brought him in, we worked through, we got him into, you know, we got him temporarily

1209
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:11,500
housed, we got him food, and then he had the opportunity to see our board doctor, Dr.

1210
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:20,480
Fisher of course, and as during the survey process, you know, asking about family and found

1211
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:28,520
the volunteers were able to find an aunt in San Antonio that had just lost touch with

1212
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:33,080
this individual and the reason it comes to mind is because the volunteers tell

1213
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:39,020
when they pulled when they pulled up they had him had him set up when they

1214
02:08:39,020 --> 02:08:43,720
pulled up to the house she comes running out of the house and hugs the

1215
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:47,920
volunteers don't know them they talked on the phone a few times right hugs the

1216
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:55,320
volunteers before she hugs her nephew and she promised you know that she

1217
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:56,160
We would keep an eye on him.

1218
02:08:56,760 --> 02:09:00,820
In that case, he's moved off the category list,

1219
02:09:00,900 --> 02:09:05,380
but we still, we have volunteers that make routine phone calls.

1220
02:09:06,260 --> 02:09:08,980
So he would be, he'd get a phone call every couple of weeks.

1221
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:10,060
Hey, how are you doing?

1222
02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:13,720
We would connect them with a coalition in their area

1223
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:15,760
where we transport them to,

1224
02:09:15,980 --> 02:09:18,640
and we really communicate across county lines.

1225
02:09:20,740 --> 02:09:24,900
We, most coalitions out of the 33 currently

1226
02:09:24,900 --> 02:09:30,360
in the state of Texas most coalitions when we did our research early on right most coalitions

1227
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:37,440
make it six months and this month is our two two year mark so we are as a forward and the

1228
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:43,400
volume you know the hopefully they're after tonight 13 board members and you know 40 volunteers

1229
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:50,480
out in the field spread out across the county on behalf of them you know we appreciate you even

1230
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:55,560
consider it. Congratulations, sir. Thank you for what you do and I see that

1231
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:58,520
Pastor Fisher is here.

1232
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:01,380
I'm

1233
02:10:03,390 --> 02:10:06,950
excited about the possibility of being on this

1234
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:08,730
coalition representing the city.

1235
02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:13,330
Partly because I know a little bit about you

1236
02:10:13,330 --> 02:10:18,790
and I know you're a good person and also your affiliation with the churches here

1237
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:26,550
in town. You're the preacher of Grace Lutheran, and I would love to see a coalition of our

1238
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:32,390
churches come back together through this agency, through your coalition, and I think there's

1239
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:36,670
a great possibility that that could happen to help further the cause. So, there's a lot

1240
02:10:36,670 --> 02:10:39,250
of positive vibes out there.

1241
02:10:45,810 --> 02:10:47,590
I didn't go to church on that. I made a sermon.

1242
02:10:49,570 --> 02:10:55,630
Yeah, so actually, just on something you just said, Council Member, the Lockhart

1243
02:10:55,630 --> 02:10:59,910
Ministry of Alliance does exist. So I guess before my time, they cease

1244
02:10:59,910 --> 02:11:04,270
functioning during COVID that they've since gotten back. We've probably given 15

1245
02:11:04,270 --> 02:11:10,330
nights of stay for people that are either escaping just domestic violence or

1246
02:11:10,330 --> 02:11:14,710
homelessness. That's our policy because we, with our funding locally, we don't have

1247
02:11:14,710 --> 02:11:18,550
lot, so we're able to give someone a free night at the Lockhart Inn. We have a great partnership

1248
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:24,690
with them. And so that's still happening. That's happened since I've been here. And then,

1249
02:11:25,050 --> 02:11:28,070
you know, where that organization is going to go from there is really up to the members

1250
02:11:28,070 --> 02:11:31,970
of that organization. I'm just one of them. We don't have any type of hierarchy or chairman

1251
02:11:31,970 --> 02:11:36,730
or anything like that at this point. So, and that's kind of how we got involved. Well,

1252
02:11:36,730 --> 02:11:41,400
how I got involved with Lee was that, you know, that's a direct connection with what

1253
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:43,000
we were trying to do as a committee.

1254
02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:47,820
And they're just better, you know, six pastors,

1255
02:11:48,200 --> 02:11:49,940
four of them being part-time and on the area.

1256
02:11:50,460 --> 02:11:52,940
Don't have the resources or time or man-fowards

1257
02:11:52,940 --> 02:11:55,000
be able to accomplish what the coalition does.

1258
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:55,440
Right.

1259
02:11:55,720 --> 02:11:56,880
And so if I'm working with them,

1260
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,340
it just made a lot of sense and they do a really great work.

1261
02:12:00,060 --> 02:12:00,280
Good.

1262
02:12:00,620 --> 02:12:01,120
Thank you, Patrick.

1263
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:05,440
So I think we have a motion and a second to appoint everyone.

1264
02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:07,060
Oh, make the motion.

1265
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:08,560
I thought we already had one.

1266
02:12:10,900 --> 02:12:12,880
Okay, well, you want to make the motion?

1267
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:13,760
I will make the motion.

1268
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:14,780
We have a second motion.

1269
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:18,560
I have a second from Mayor Pro Tem Gonzalo Sanchez to a point

1270
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:20,920
Reverend Fisher to this homeless board.

1271
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:22,360
Any other discussion?

1272
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:24,360
All in favor, please, raise your hand.

1273
02:12:25,340 --> 02:12:25,660
Opposed?

1274
02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:26,740
Motion passes.

1275
02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:27,400
Thank you.

1276
02:12:27,620 --> 02:12:28,380
Thank you very much.

1277
02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:33,820
And we'll get you back, Lee, for a formal presentation at some point in time.

1278
02:12:34,140 --> 02:12:34,440
Thank you.

1279
02:12:40,850 --> 02:12:42,990
All right, I've got one other thing and one other board.

1280
02:12:42,990 --> 02:12:51,770
and then we've got to get back to our regular business here, item C, discussion or action

1281
02:12:51,770 --> 02:12:55,110
to consider the appointment of the steering committee for the design of the indoor recreation

1282
02:12:55,110 --> 02:13:00,870
center. Travis. Good evening council, Mayor. I'm Travis

1283
02:13:00,870 --> 02:13:05,670
using the director of parks and recreation. This agenda item is to consider the appointment

1284
02:13:05,670 --> 02:13:09,850
of the steering committee to provide input and guidance in the design of the indoor recreation

1285
02:13:11,110 --> 02:13:14,990
this during committees intended to ensure that a wide variety of proposed current and future

1286
02:13:14,990 --> 02:13:19,570
uses are thoughtfully considered, reflecting the needs and priorities of a broad spectrum of

1287
02:13:19,570 --> 02:13:20,270
potential users.

1288
02:13:22,290 --> 02:13:24,990
This committee will be comprised of representatives from city boards,

1289
02:13:25,390 --> 02:13:29,830
Caldwell County, Lockhart ISD, and community members at large bringing forward perspectives

1290
02:13:30,530 --> 02:13:35,250
for parks planning, education, regional partnerships, and the community at large.

1291
02:13:35,850 --> 02:13:40,130
This balanced composition will help guide the design of a multi-purpose facility that serves

1292
02:13:40,130 --> 02:13:45,490
current residents and supports growth, evolving recreational needs, and long-term community needs.

1293
02:13:46,670 --> 02:13:51,410
The proposed steering committee members, there are eight of them that we have identified.

1294
02:13:53,070 --> 02:13:56,590
Two of them presented by the park's board, Carlisay and Melinda Kirst.

1295
02:13:57,930 --> 02:14:00,530
Lockhart ISD representative, Jeremiah Chapman.

1296
02:14:01,790 --> 02:14:04,350
Calwell County Commissioner's Court Representative, B.J. Westmoreland.

1297
02:14:04,990 --> 02:14:09,810
and four citizens who have specific interests in recreation and also expertise.

1298
02:14:10,430 --> 02:14:14,570
Those are Chris St. Ledger, Sarah Partridge, Lynn Gabay, and Tim Torres.

1299
02:14:15,870 --> 02:14:19,650
So tonight we're asking that you approve of this steering committee's formation with this

1300
02:14:19,650 --> 02:14:20,710
group of appointees.

1301
02:14:23,370 --> 02:14:25,290
And somewhere here tonight if you'd like them to stand.

1302
02:14:28,900 --> 02:14:30,200
Yes, very much so.

1303
02:14:30,380 --> 02:14:30,680
Thank you.

1304
02:14:30,820 --> 02:14:31,940
Thank y'all for coming tonight.

1305
02:14:32,140 --> 02:14:33,320
Thank you for agreeing to serve.

1306
02:14:34,660 --> 02:14:37,380
Councilor, are y'all comfortable with this makeup here?

1307
02:14:37,380 --> 02:14:40,580
I think it's a good broad spectrum, and this is-

1308
02:14:40,580 --> 02:14:43,880
I'll make a motion for they can set a meeting and start this process.

1309
02:14:44,180 --> 02:14:44,880
No second, Mayor.

1310
02:14:45,060 --> 02:14:53,960
All right, we have a motion and a second to appoint the recommended people for this steering committee.

1311
02:14:54,500 --> 02:14:59,940
Mayor, can we nominate a couple of members, one member from the-

1312
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,920
Just to get the youth involved, to get a good idea with the youth they're looking forward in, in a rec center and so forth. You have a name. I don't have a name, but I'm just thanking board members from each organization that deal with the youth on a daily. I think we have the parks board people represented. We have the school district represented. I think any of those people are surely welcome to attend the meetings and provide input. But I think

1313
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:31,120
I think everybody's rare and to go.

1314
02:15:32,180 --> 02:15:36,660
We do have a part-sport member that represents the Youth Soccer Association.

1315
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:37,220
Okay.

1316
02:15:37,800 --> 02:15:38,240
Okay.

1317
02:15:38,580 --> 02:15:40,320
And I'll have to commend you on your list.

1318
02:15:40,540 --> 02:15:42,820
This is a great group of people to do so.

1319
02:15:43,220 --> 02:15:44,220
I think it'll be a very productive group.

1320
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:45,640
Okay.

1321
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,300
We have a motion in the second pin.

1322
02:15:47,620 --> 02:15:48,340
Any other discussion?

1323
02:15:49,020 --> 02:15:50,480
All in favor, please raise your hand.

1324
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:51,580
Opposed?

1325
02:15:52,060 --> 02:15:53,460
Motion passes 7-0.

1326
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:54,040
Thank you.

1327
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:54,820
Thank you very much.

1328
02:15:55,080 --> 02:15:56,180
And thank you committee members.

1329
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:09,580
Okay, let's go back to item 5D, discussion and action regarding request by Charlie Thomas

1330
02:16:09,580 --> 02:16:16,520
of Gloria Group Partners LP for a determination of eligibility for a tax abatement pursuant

1331
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:24,120
to chapter 28 historic districts and landmarks division 2 tax abatement of the Lockhart Code

1332
02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:29,440
of ordinances for various exterior and interior improvements to a building in the historic district

1333
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:36,220
located at 119 West San Antonio Street. All right good evening mayor and city council members

1334
02:16:36,220 --> 02:16:41,940
just want to give you a brief presentation for the tax abatement proposal for Mr. Charlie Thomas.

1335
02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:48,020
And so I just have a few slides here I'd like to present to you just an overview of the property.

1336
02:16:49,220 --> 02:16:52,360
So if you see this on the screen I have the vicinity map

1337
02:16:52,840 --> 02:16:59,320
Showing the property at the Northeast location of San Antonio Street and church street. There's not on the screen on the screen.

1338
02:16:59,700 --> 02:17:01,430
Okay. Here we go.

1339
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:05,140
Oh, I do something.

1340
02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:18,160
Here we go.

1341
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:35,860
He's been here since 630. Let's.

1342
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:37,460
All right.

1343
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:41,360
Right there.

1344
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:47,980
Yep, so you saw the map and of course everybody knows where this is, the Joe Massour building.

1345
02:17:48,980 --> 02:17:50,620
And so here's an aerial photo,

1346
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:55,480
and Google Earth View, this is just looking to the east

1347
02:17:55,480 --> 02:17:59,040
with the property roughly in the center of the image there, just 3D model.

1348
02:18:00,680 --> 02:18:05,480
And just a couple pictures that I took about a week or two ago, this is a picture of the

1349
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:08,860
building with the completed improvements looking from San Antonio Street,

1350
02:18:11,460 --> 02:18:12,300
and looking to the

1351
02:18:12,300 --> 02:18:14,820
east from Church Street at the west side.

1352
02:18:18,540 --> 02:18:22,600
And this was a photo that was submitted by the property owner, just showing a night view

1353
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:24,200
from San Antonio Street

1354
02:18:27,850 --> 02:18:32,770
and just you're probably familiar the summary of the proposed improvements

1355
02:18:32,770 --> 02:18:38,330
which have actually already been completed. First floor windows replaced with energy

1356
02:18:38,330 --> 02:18:44,690
efficient windows windows on second and third stories refinished and repainted initially the windows

1357
02:18:44,690 --> 02:18:49,410
on the second and third floors were planned to be replaced but they ultimately decided to rehabilitate

1358
02:18:49,410 --> 02:18:55,990
those windows. Replacement of doors on three building facades. Door and window

1359
02:18:55,990 --> 02:19:01,490
location swap on the east end of the north facade. The historic awnings have

1360
02:19:01,490 --> 02:19:06,410
been replaced on the church street and San Antonio street sides. A new fire

1361
02:19:06,410 --> 02:19:10,810
escape from the third story to the roof level to bring the fire escape from the

1362
02:19:10,810 --> 02:19:16,990
main floor up to the roof. A new siding paints and roofing material on the roof top

1363
02:19:16,990 --> 02:19:23,810
structure and the restoration of those skylights which are in the sidewalks along the church

1364
02:19:23,810 --> 02:19:29,070
street as well as the San Antonio street sides. For the interior there was also interior

1365
02:19:29,070 --> 02:19:36,270
work done. Structural interior includes a new elevator extending up to the roof deck as

1366
02:19:36,270 --> 02:19:38,890
well as interior floor reinforcement.

1367
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:03,110
Okay so for the financial components the total

1368
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:12,890
amount spent on the project improvements was $2.8 million, $2.801,983.78 cents. The total

1369
02:20:12,890 --> 02:20:19,610
estimated property value according to the applicant is $2.3 million. For as far as the work

1370
02:20:19,610 --> 02:20:27,190
already completed, it began January 1st, 2024, and was completed July 31st of 2025.

1371
02:20:31,310 --> 02:20:33,090
And you

1372
02:20:33,090 --> 02:20:38,410
if the abatement is approved, what have no assessed value for city taxes for the first five years.

1373
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:44,850
After a reappraisal, it would be reassessed that a 50% rate for an additional five years

1374
02:20:44,850 --> 02:20:50,910
for total of 10 years. And the total tax abatement may not exceed the owners out of pocket cost

1375
02:20:50,910 --> 02:20:56,970
of the approved enhancements. And so the work that's been done is mentioned was about just over 2.8

1376
02:20:56,970 --> 02:21:01,730
million, and if you add up the total tax abatement over that 10-year period comes

1377
02:21:01,730 --> 02:21:04,470
out to about $51,000. And

1378
02:21:10,510 --> 02:21:12,770
so as for the historical preservation commissions

1379
02:21:12,770 --> 02:21:17,450
recommendation, they did recommend approval to the City Council at their September

1380
02:21:17,450 --> 02:21:24,590
3, 2025 meeting. Certificates of alteration were required to be approved along

1381
02:21:24,590 --> 02:21:31,170
with the tax abatement, and the commission did approve those on July 5, 2023, as

1382
02:21:31,170 --> 02:21:36,350
well as one on September 4th, 2024, and February 5th of 2025.

1383
02:21:40,670 --> 02:21:42,590
And that's all that I have unless there's any questions.

1384
02:21:43,950 --> 02:21:49,830
Would you repeat the total amount of the tax abatement over this 10-year period?

1385
02:21:50,590 --> 02:21:57,470
It was roughly, I don't have the exact figure with me, but it was about $51,000, about $51,500.

1386
02:21:58,030 --> 02:22:02,830
That's using the 2024 assessed value for city taxes.

1387
02:22:17,260 --> 02:22:22,860
They did a fantastic job in there. I mean, it was the top notch. They did it right.

1388
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:31,960
May I make a motion to approve and thank the owner for doing what he did.

1389
02:22:32,460 --> 02:22:37,960
Motion in a second to approve the tax abatement. Any other discussion? All in favor, then please raise your hand.

1390
02:22:37,960 --> 02:22:42,640
The post, motion passes 7-0, thank you sir, thank you.

1391
02:22:44,780 --> 02:22:47,240
And your building was beautiful.

1392
02:22:56,160 --> 02:23:03,400
Item E, discussion, interaction on the updated agreement with LCRA and McCoy's tree service

1393
02:23:03,400 --> 02:23:05,180
for tree trimming in the right of way.

1394
02:23:06,860 --> 02:23:11,500
Ladies and gentlemen, the Council on Electric Superintendent Bob Laos, the purpose of being

1395
02:23:11,500 --> 02:23:16,740
here is to seek Council approval to bring back the McCoy's tree trimmer through the LCR

1396
02:23:16,740 --> 02:23:21,800
R.A. We've used McCoy's for a few years now and they've done a very good job of clearing

1397
02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:27,320
out our high voltage lines. If approved, our tree tremors could be here in the middle

1398
02:23:27,320 --> 02:23:33,360
of next month, middle of November, about a month from now or so. Are there any questions

1399
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:35,120
about this tree tremor issue?

1400
02:23:36,300 --> 02:23:42,900
Bobbi, are we going to make sure we take that precautionary measure that we're not going

1401
02:23:42,900 --> 02:23:50,980
to have the issue that we had not too long ago where citizens were very upset that how

1402
02:23:50,980 --> 02:23:51,880
their trees were trimmed?

1403
02:23:52,820 --> 02:23:55,640
Well, they're going to trim our policy states 10 feet.

1404
02:23:55,640 --> 02:24:00,960
They have to trim the proper length of the trees according to NSC and all the other entities

1405
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:04,160
City of Austin, different cities and entities.

1406
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:11,380
What we can do is take all the precautions we can, such as banning our lambs, leaving notices

1407
02:24:11,380 --> 02:24:15,720
This is ahead of time to all the customers before they arrive, that kind of thing.

1408
02:24:17,020 --> 02:24:22,480
I know that we did get with the Marbers a year or two ago and they told us the best time

1409
02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:27,140
to trim is the hottest part of the summer, the coldest part of winter, either one or both.

1410
02:24:28,480 --> 02:24:30,340
And that applies to the oak trees.

1411
02:24:30,740 --> 02:24:34,080
That doesn't apply to Hagueberry trees, doesn't apply to pecans or anything else.

1412
02:24:34,340 --> 02:24:37,060
It's simply the oak trees that you have to be careful with.

1413
02:24:37,160 --> 02:24:37,300
Okay.

1414
02:24:37,700 --> 02:24:38,160
Thank you, Bob.

1415
02:24:38,260 --> 02:24:38,700
Appreciate you.

1416
02:24:38,700 --> 02:24:40,920
Yes ma'am. Any other questions?

1417
02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:47,400
So what are some of the streets I guess that are they're going to have the tree trimming?

1418
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:53,540
We're going to start on our LK20 circuit which is on the east port of town.

1419
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:56,960
We're going to start the intersection of FM20 east and poncho.

1420
02:24:57,420 --> 02:25:00,420
And work our way through the east side following that line around.

1421
02:25:00,540 --> 02:25:04,820
We'll be poncho street, chihuahua street, rea street,

1422
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:15,800
We're going to move them to East Market Street and continue following our okay at the 20th Circuit.

1423
02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:16,320
Okay.

1424
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:17,320
Thank you.

1425
02:25:17,320 --> 02:25:17,680
Yes, sir.

1426
02:25:18,380 --> 02:25:20,980
Any other questions or discussion?

1427
02:25:22,340 --> 02:25:22,780
Thank you, Bob.

1428
02:25:24,040 --> 02:25:25,080
You can skip the Bean Street.

1429
02:25:25,580 --> 02:25:26,580
I'll make a motion to approve.

1430
02:25:27,880 --> 02:25:29,340
I have a motion to approve.

1431
02:25:29,500 --> 02:25:30,040
Here's a second.

1432
02:25:30,180 --> 02:25:30,520
Second.

1433
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:30,880
Thank you.

1434
02:25:31,320 --> 02:25:33,040
Any other discussion?

1435
02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:34,880
All in favor, please raise your hand.

1436
02:25:35,780 --> 02:25:36,060
Opposed?

1437
02:25:36,320 --> 02:25:37,500
Motion passed to 7-0.

1438
02:25:37,700 --> 02:25:38,080
Thank you, Bob.

1439
02:25:38,200 --> 02:25:38,700
Thank you.

1440
02:25:39,040 --> 02:25:44,220
We're going to go back to the work session because we were with a discussion item on there

1441
02:25:45,220 --> 02:25:48,880
on regarding lighted stop signs in the downtown area.

1442
02:25:49,340 --> 02:25:50,780
All right.

1443
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:53,580
Any mayor and council, Sean Kelly, public works director.

1444
02:25:54,200 --> 02:25:54,700
Thank you, Julie.

1445
02:25:54,700 --> 02:25:55,840
He's going to pull that up for us.

1446
02:26:01,540 --> 02:26:05,800
I'm going to start on this last slide, actually, just because it explains it a little bit better.

1447
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:11,880
But as part of the downtown revitalization project, several new stop signs were recently installed downtown.

1448
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:17,700
This is to increase pedestrian safety and calm traffic in historic downtown.

1449
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:22,620
With these additions, there's now 36 stop signs downtown.

1450
02:26:22,620 --> 02:26:25,920
And you can kind of see we made a little exhibit kind of showing where they're at.

1451
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:30,200
I believe we installed six new ones, primarily around the courthouse and so.

1452
02:26:32,860 --> 02:26:37,700
So the agenda is going to provide an opportunity to kind of get some feedback from you all.

1453
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:41,920
I know there's been some discussion about LED stop signs or some kind of enhancement

1454
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:44,520
to increase visibility.

1455
02:26:45,260 --> 02:26:48,520
So I'm going to kind of go through some options and kind of get some feedback from you all.

1456
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:56,420
Sean, every highlighted stop sign is going to be, I don't know, lighted?

1457
02:26:56,680 --> 02:27:00,780
No, this is just a demonstration of all the stop signs in the downtown area.

1458
02:27:01,380 --> 02:27:04,500
And I just took the nine block area that we did for the revitalization project

1459
02:27:04,500 --> 02:27:08,140
to kind of just give you an idea of how many stop signs we have downtown.

1460
02:27:08,620 --> 02:27:14,140
Now, we don't have the yield sign or the areas downtown where they had the right way anymore.

1461
02:27:14,140 --> 02:27:18,200
All right, so that's kind of just shows you just as a topic of discussion for tonight.

1462
02:27:18,580 --> 02:27:21,660
Will there be arrows directing the traffic flow?

1463
02:27:22,780 --> 02:27:28,360
I just have to say because I'm still getting people coming from the wrong direction.

1464
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:31,140
I'll touch on some of that at the end of the presentation tonight.

1465
02:27:31,320 --> 02:27:31,920
I'm sorry, Sean.

1466
02:27:32,060 --> 02:27:32,960
John, what did you say?

1467
02:27:33,700 --> 02:27:42,560
If they could do arrows in the city, town, because I'm still seeing people going in front of First Lock Art National Bank.

1468
02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:44,840
I think instead of going the other way.

1469
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:47,100
Yeah, no, it's fine.

1470
02:27:48,500 --> 02:27:48,560
Okay.

1471
02:27:49,100 --> 02:27:52,540
I also have a city engineer who can help answer some follow-up questions, should there

1472
02:27:52,540 --> 02:27:52,880
be any?

1473
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:57,940
But first, we're just going to discuss options, the potential things we could do.

1474
02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:03,660
So this is an image of some LED stop signs, you would probably see these in certain areas.

1475
02:28:03,780 --> 02:28:07,540
I think the only place we have in town right now is off of 130 at Maple Street.

1476
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:08,080
Yes.

1477
02:28:08,780 --> 02:28:11,080
That's where we text out as we included some of those.

1478
02:28:11,540 --> 02:28:16,780
So, these lot of stop signs are not really commonly installed unless they're at high-risk

1479
02:28:16,780 --> 02:28:17,460
intersections.

1480
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:22,620
So, these would be areas where there would be limited visibility, like I said, high-risk

1481
02:28:22,620 --> 02:28:27,680
intersections where there was a history of collisions, adverse weather conditions.

1482
02:28:27,880 --> 02:28:32,780
This could be a foggy area where you're coming in to a blind bend where you may not notice

1483
02:28:32,780 --> 02:28:33,400
the stop sign.

1484
02:28:34,140 --> 02:28:35,820
So, you know, we're discussing this with textile.

1485
02:28:36,440 --> 02:28:39,080
They were not really in favor of using these type of things.

1486
02:28:39,080 --> 02:28:44,320
these are generally based on traffic warrants, they would need this type of option and they would

1487
02:28:44,320 --> 02:28:49,060
like to see other options preferred for such as rumble strips or stop-a-head signs when we had

1488
02:28:49,060 --> 02:28:54,260
that conversation with text. But I just thought it was important. We kind of looked at this just to

1489
02:28:54,260 --> 02:28:59,000
kind of give you all an option. These are about $1200 a piece to purchase. So it could get quite expensive

1490
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:05,260
should we try to install some of these downtown. $1200 the whole sign? Yeah, the whole sign and they are

1491
02:29:05,260 --> 02:29:09,980
solar power. So you're you're talking around the square and all the four way stops on the

1492
02:29:09,980 --> 02:29:13,660
floor. Yeah, I mean, if we were to look at that option, like, but like I said, textile was

1493
02:29:13,660 --> 02:29:17,140
not really in favor of this option. They would like to seek other options first.

1494
02:29:19,820 --> 02:29:20,260
Here's

1495
02:29:20,260 --> 02:29:25,660
another kind of option. It's a little kind of less invasive, I guess. It's just a beacon

1496
02:29:25,660 --> 02:29:30,820
light. They're also solar powered. Kind of has the same thing, but instead of directing

1497
02:29:30,820 --> 02:29:36,140
your focus around the stop sign where their lights are lighting, it kind of, it's above the

1498
02:29:36,140 --> 02:29:37,880
stop sign, so that's a little bit different.

1499
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:42,220
Like I said, we kind of looked at different options

1500
02:29:42,220 --> 02:29:43,960
and talking with city engineer and architect.

1501
02:29:44,580 --> 02:29:48,180
One of the concerns we had was the aesthetics of this

1502
02:29:48,180 --> 02:29:49,560
and putting these downtown.

1503
02:29:49,740 --> 02:29:51,920
We'd have a lot of blinking lights in an area

1504
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:53,660
and it may cause driver confusion.

1505
02:29:53,960 --> 02:29:55,040
They may kind of distract.

1506
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,260
Good pedestrian. So we had some in-link conversations about these kind of options as we discussed this.

1507
02:30:07,450 --> 02:30:30,770
And another option that we actually started using in town, the image to the left is in vintage springs. So we reflective tape on the stop signs. And this kind of just adds another visual element to the stop sign, bringing your focus up to the top of the word stop. We also had our own reflective tape. We put some in the summer side neighborhood towards 1322 to kind of see how it worked. And we just got an image of an illuminated

1508
02:30:31,590 --> 02:30:36,330
version of this. This is a very co-effective option. Should we need to get some more visibility

1509
02:30:36,330 --> 02:30:40,670
on our stop signs? And we're like, well, this is a pretty good start. Should we want

1510
02:30:40,670 --> 02:30:45,730
to do anything? With that being said, I do want to give you some updates to kind of what's

1511
02:30:45,730 --> 02:30:52,970
going on downtown. So it'll help us when we're making this decision. So we are adding additional

1512
02:30:52,970 --> 02:30:58,270
lights downtown. We added eight new pedestrian lights around the courthouse. Those are not

1513
02:30:58,270 --> 02:31:00,710
I'm glowing at this time, but I can't update you

1514
02:31:00,710 --> 02:31:02,090
that tonight on San Antonio Street,

1515
02:31:02,430 --> 02:31:04,170
the large lights that are in that median

1516
02:31:04,170 --> 02:31:06,430
on San Antonio are all lit tonight.

1517
02:31:06,790 --> 02:31:08,170
So those are being reintroduced.

1518
02:31:08,470 --> 02:31:10,590
And those are glowing adverts right now.

1519
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:13,130
So I encourage y'all to go that way on the way home,

1520
02:31:13,310 --> 02:31:16,330
kind of see how illuminated it is.

1521
02:31:16,390 --> 02:31:18,470
I had Mr. Kane, the street supervisor out there,

1522
02:31:18,890 --> 02:31:19,950
and it looks really bright.

1523
02:31:20,310 --> 02:31:22,190
It's really increased visibility out there.

1524
02:31:22,470 --> 02:31:24,210
So you're talking about the lamppost?

1525
02:31:24,470 --> 02:31:26,010
Yeah, those large lampposts are lit up.

1526
02:31:26,770 --> 02:31:31,710
But that being said, for the project, they had to remove and relocate six lamp posts

1527
02:31:31,710 --> 02:31:32,710
at Medians Downtown.

1528
02:31:33,390 --> 02:31:35,170
To do that, we had to take down the electricity.

1529
02:31:35,610 --> 02:31:37,090
These are like daisy-chained lights.

1530
02:31:37,590 --> 02:31:41,010
So for the allow the contractor to work, they had to be taken out of service.

1531
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:42,850
That's why it's so dark downtown right now.

1532
02:31:43,630 --> 02:31:47,550
But this first introduction of lights on San Antonio Street, there's going to be more lights

1533
02:31:47,550 --> 02:31:47,910
to come.

1534
02:31:48,350 --> 02:31:51,870
The next sections will be main street and market street.

1535
02:31:52,110 --> 02:31:53,850
Those will come on in about the next week.

1536
02:31:54,370 --> 02:31:57,330
and then Commerce Street is looking to come on the week after that.

1537
02:31:57,710 --> 02:31:59,310
We're going to have to do some troubleshooting on these lights,

1538
02:31:59,430 --> 02:32:01,030
make sure they're all wired correctly,

1539
02:32:01,510 --> 02:32:04,090
and we're also doing pedestals in the median.

1540
02:32:04,350 --> 02:32:06,130
So we've got to make sure that those are all secured.

1541
02:32:06,670 --> 02:32:08,370
We don't want to turn on the power there

1542
02:32:08,370 --> 02:32:09,850
and not have those some secure in place.

1543
02:32:10,210 --> 02:32:12,030
So those are just items we're kind of working on.

1544
02:32:12,190 --> 02:32:13,310
But in the next couple of weeks,

1545
02:32:13,430 --> 02:32:14,530
it's going to be really laid downtown.

1546
02:32:15,570 --> 02:32:17,070
So I wanted to bring that to you all's attention.

1547
02:32:17,530 --> 02:32:20,090
Are the brick structures staying around the trees downtown?

1548
02:32:20,590 --> 02:32:28,010
No, they'll be removed and an additional pony wall will be installed to prevent, to protect

1549
02:32:28,010 --> 02:32:28,330
the roots.

1550
02:32:30,210 --> 02:32:35,050
So I'll also, another consideration I want you all to take is we're going to be doing final

1551
02:32:35,050 --> 02:32:35,750
striping downtown.

1552
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:38,950
So this is thermal plastic striping.

1553
02:32:39,570 --> 02:32:43,390
It includes glass beads in the striping, which is going to make it highly reflective.

1554
02:32:43,930 --> 02:32:45,530
So it's going to add a whole another element.

1555
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:47,950
So adding to your question are there going to be arrows and stuff?

1556
02:32:47,950 --> 02:32:58,810
I don't know if there will be arrows, but there will be at some of the intersections dotted lines that will direct traffic the correct way through intersections, and there will be a lot of yellow stripe center turning out of center lines.

1557
02:32:59,390 --> 02:33:04,970
So this is going to delineate the traffic from one another, and it's going to make it a lot more visible.

1558
02:33:05,250 --> 02:33:14,070
So once we get those yellow striping in, we're going to get the parking spaces marked correctly with the parallel parking and angle parking is going to really increase visibility downtown.

1559
02:33:14,070 --> 02:33:18,290
That's just going to be another element is like you're going to see the reflective striping the

1560
02:33:18,290 --> 02:33:22,210
stop signs in itself are reflective and then the new lighting is going to be

1561
02:33:22,210 --> 02:33:26,010
implemented over the next two weeks where we have stop bars on the streets you

1562
02:33:26,010 --> 02:33:30,590
will get stop bars and there'll be crosswalks marked at all the major intersections

1563
02:33:30,590 --> 02:33:35,270
where the new pedestrian ramps are we were just finalizing the striping plan as

1564
02:33:35,270 --> 02:33:38,510
we've made some modifications in parking so we just got we're going to get that

1565
02:33:38,510 --> 02:33:43,310
to the contractors tomorrow and then striping should begin on perially church

1566
02:33:43,310 --> 02:33:49,890
Walnut and the two north segments of Maine and Commerce mid-next week so when I say stop bar

1567
02:33:49,890 --> 02:33:54,430
There's just applying one that goes across and there's also the one that actually says stop

1568
02:33:54,430 --> 02:33:59,870
Yes, I at this time we don't have it indicated in our plan to put the word stop on there

1569
02:33:59,870 --> 02:34:07,210
What would you as it may be? I mean you were showing the the stop signs that would have been did this and that the other

1570
02:34:07,210 --> 02:34:11,570
See how it goes, but if we start having little thinner vendors on those that may be

1571
02:34:11,570 --> 02:34:18,070
so great. I mean that's something we could you know maybe we try out mayor and

1572
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:21,670
council I hate to break in but we're just posted to talk about lighted stop

1573
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:26,050
signs in the downtown area so we're getting a little bit off of the posted

1574
02:34:26,050 --> 02:34:37,210
topic what I was gonna add was with some of the concerns about stop signs being

1575
02:34:37,210 --> 02:34:44,270
added. We also contacted the police department to see if there were any accidents that occurred

1576
02:34:44,270 --> 02:34:50,010
since the SOC signs have been put up on San Antonio and none have occurred today.

1577
02:34:50,770 --> 02:34:51,650
That's good news.

1578
02:34:52,190 --> 02:34:52,730
Very good.

1579
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:54,090
Okay.

1580
02:34:55,030 --> 02:34:58,610
I'll just get off topic a little bit but I'm not a great suggestion and we'll look into

1581
02:34:58,610 --> 02:35:01,490
that but we just wanted to bring this kind of to your attention and give you some updates

1582
02:35:01,490 --> 02:35:04,230
on the downtown project and just get a little bit feedback from you all tonight.

1583
02:35:04,830 --> 02:35:13,490
I think once it's done, all the lighting's up and all the painting's done, I think it's

1584
02:35:13,490 --> 02:35:18,090
going to be a completely different downtown and people are going to understand more of

1585
02:35:18,090 --> 02:35:18,470
what to do.

1586
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:24,710
Everybody's still confused with stop signs and lights because it's not done yet in

1587
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:26,920
my

1588
02:35:26,920 --> 02:35:27,540
so wise.

1589
02:35:30,890 --> 02:35:37,590
And there's those lights that you showed around the stop sign I'd vote

1590
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:46,010
against that every day all day because that just that would make it worse. Yeah. Oh 36 light.

1591
02:35:48,530 --> 02:35:54,650
I'm just curious on the stop light. I know that you're showing the LED lights that are going

1592
02:35:54,650 --> 02:36:01,950
around the stop sign did by chance that you look into just the red little flashing light

1593
02:36:01,950 --> 02:36:09,010
on top of the beacon yeah yeah that's just a LED beacon here we also discussed that

1594
02:36:09,010 --> 02:36:14,330
with that big I thought it was smaller I thought they were smaller yeah yeah that would

1595
02:36:14,330 --> 02:36:21,150
be like a blinking light because we have the LED lights that are going to show up tonight

1596
02:36:21,150 --> 02:36:29,330
We're not doing them well no I prefer the red tape but not to include I mean to include everywhere in town

1597
02:36:29,330 --> 02:36:35,850
Where we have stop sign runners. I guess I think that'd be more visible for people. I mean it's all over town

1598
02:36:35,850 --> 02:36:40,550
Not just downtown, but you know, we've just spent eight million dollars

1599
02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:44,510
Redoing downtown. Let's don't tack you it up and put

1600
02:36:45,470 --> 02:36:49,970
Red tape on these. Let's wait and see what this looks like when we're done

1601
02:36:49,970 --> 02:36:52,610
and before we start adding things to it.

1602
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:57,490
Like the science is, yeah, I mean,

1603
02:36:57,630 --> 02:37:02,070
the science is just, it's an educated training thing

1604
02:37:02,070 --> 02:37:03,750
for the people driving through there

1605
02:37:03,750 --> 02:37:06,130
because they're still running the stop signs.

1606
02:37:06,530 --> 02:37:06,930
Yes, sir.

1607
02:37:07,410 --> 02:37:09,250
They're still running the stop signs.

1608
02:37:09,370 --> 02:37:11,870
And even if we just did it on a temporary basis

1609
02:37:11,870 --> 02:37:14,410
and I agree, I think getting some little blinking lights

1610
02:37:14,410 --> 02:37:17,830
around there somewhere, not something honkers like that,

1611
02:37:17,830 --> 02:37:21,370
but whatever we can come up with.

1612
02:37:22,590 --> 02:37:25,990
So I'm not seeing where they've done not the entire poll,

1613
02:37:26,650 --> 02:37:29,090
but just like a strip, a strip of just three,

1614
02:37:29,290 --> 02:37:31,690
and it looks clean, it looks nice,

1615
02:37:32,010 --> 02:37:34,170
and at night it also catches, it's reflected,

1616
02:37:34,350 --> 02:37:35,390
and it catches your attention.

1617
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:37,090
Did you all look at anything like that?

1618
02:37:37,390 --> 02:37:40,210
If you go to the one we did in Summerside at 1322,

1619
02:37:40,410 --> 02:37:42,190
that's we just put two stop bars,

1620
02:37:42,450 --> 02:37:44,250
I mean, reflective tapes on there.

1621
02:37:44,730 --> 02:37:45,710
We can do the whole poll.

1622
02:37:46,650 --> 02:37:48,710
it's just, you know, doing the whole poll is just more

1623
02:37:48,710 --> 02:37:50,310
that we'll get damaged because they will get,

1624
02:37:50,310 --> 02:37:52,090
they can get cut, they can, they will fade,

1625
02:37:52,190 --> 02:37:53,950
they will crack, you know, it's like a couple of

1626
02:37:53,950 --> 02:37:56,270
a.m.s on them, if, if we decide to do that,

1627
02:37:56,370 --> 02:37:58,250
it would look nicer to Jeffery's point,

1628
02:37:58,410 --> 02:38:00,730
not, not, uh, overdo it.

1629
02:38:01,470 --> 02:38:03,910
Not so wait, don't do anything until we're done.

1630
02:38:04,350 --> 02:38:05,190
All right, we got,

1631
02:38:06,970 --> 02:38:09,290
so what you want to do, wait till it's finished,

1632
02:38:09,530 --> 02:38:10,690
or you want to put something up now?

1633
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:12,290
Man, just wait.

1634
02:38:12,510 --> 02:38:13,890
Oh, wait, I'm okay, wait.

1635
02:38:13,890 --> 02:38:14,330
All right.

1636
02:38:14,330 --> 02:38:15,510
We haven't had any right.

1637
02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:16,270
Right.

1638
02:38:16,550 --> 02:38:17,890
Thanks for checking in.

1639
02:38:17,910 --> 02:38:19,450
It's only what like it is.

1640
02:38:19,550 --> 02:38:19,850
We're now.

1641
02:38:21,150 --> 02:38:22,030
Thank you Sean.

1642
02:38:22,930 --> 02:38:23,350
Thank you Sean.

1643
02:38:24,970 --> 02:38:25,630
That's it.

1644
02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:26,130
All right.

1645
02:38:26,130 --> 02:38:26,810
Item F.

1646
02:38:28,350 --> 02:38:32,610
Discussion or action authorizing resolution 2025-33.

1647
02:38:33,150 --> 02:38:35,710
No, I'm the downtown business.

1648
02:38:36,210 --> 02:38:36,630
Oh yes.

1649
02:38:37,110 --> 02:38:37,490
I'm sure.

1650
02:38:37,630 --> 02:38:39,170
Where was I here?

1651
02:38:39,350 --> 02:38:40,250
This is a big one.

1652
02:38:41,490 --> 02:38:43,510
That's another discussion item, wouldn't it?

1653
02:38:44,670 --> 02:38:46,850
Good evening, Holly Mollish, the Economic Development Director.

1654
02:38:47,510 --> 02:38:47,650
Okay.

1655
02:38:49,310 --> 02:38:55,130
Wanted to talk to you guys about business support programs for downtown.

1656
02:38:58,730 --> 02:39:01,690
And just to kind of, you know, this was just sort of a brainstorm.

1657
02:39:02,590 --> 02:39:06,090
Some of them we can do, some of them we can, you know, we won't do.

1658
02:39:06,350 --> 02:39:09,050
It's, you know, like I said, it's open for discussion.

1659
02:39:09,050 --> 02:39:12,090
and just kind of an overview and summary,

1660
02:39:12,510 --> 02:39:13,610
the things that we came up with,

1661
02:39:13,790 --> 02:39:15,650
business spotlight, holiday storytelling,

1662
02:39:16,170 --> 02:39:18,750
really utilizing the power of social media.

1663
02:39:20,330 --> 02:39:21,730
Working with our trade partners,

1664
02:39:22,010 --> 02:39:24,630
there's like a downtown passport program,

1665
02:39:25,330 --> 02:39:28,290
photo hashtag challenge, some deemed holiday events,

1666
02:39:28,550 --> 02:39:29,630
and a 10% off coupon.

1667
02:39:32,850 --> 02:39:33,990
I'll start with the first one.

1668
02:39:34,230 --> 02:39:35,830
And before I start, you know, I just wanna say

1669
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:37,430
that these are marketing initiatives

1670
02:39:37,970 --> 02:39:39,550
that really help local business

1671
02:39:39,550 --> 02:39:42,270
by increasing their visibility traffic and awareness.

1672
02:39:42,670 --> 02:39:44,530
You know, those are the three really most important things

1673
02:39:44,530 --> 02:39:45,750
for a business.

1674
02:39:46,590 --> 02:39:48,910
And that, you know, these programs that we put out,

1675
02:39:49,090 --> 02:39:51,230
they're designed to build an ecosystem.

1676
02:39:52,890 --> 02:39:57,610
And so this type of approach really highlights, you know,

1677
02:39:57,730 --> 02:39:59,170
fairness and long-term sustainability.

1678
02:40:00,330 --> 02:40:02,650
So the business spotlights, you know,

1679
02:40:02,710 --> 02:40:03,930
we can do short video clips.

1680
02:40:04,010 --> 02:40:07,230
This is something we can do in-house with our iPhone and CapCut

1681
02:40:07,230 --> 02:40:11,770
taking short video clips of businesses where they share maybe their favorite

1682
02:40:11,770 --> 02:40:17,490
holiday tradition or maybe they show some type of product that they have on

1683
02:40:17,490 --> 02:40:21,850
the shelf that's on sale or or lend itself to Christmas.

1684
02:40:24,370 --> 02:40:25,450
Talking about our trade

1685
02:40:25,450 --> 02:40:31,030
partners you know it's really important to you know the best way to help us

1686
02:40:31,030 --> 02:40:35,870
struggling business is to help you know their customers find them and I think by

1687
02:40:35,870 --> 02:40:40,710
utilizing the trade partners, you know, particularly like with the paper and the radio and the podcast.

1688
02:40:42,370 --> 02:40:46,690
You know, we can utilize them to help us spread the word about some of these marketing programs.

1689
02:40:52,690 --> 02:40:58,770
You know, I have put this together and then I actually saw in the newspaper that I guess I think it's the law card

1690
02:40:59,250 --> 02:41:06,510
newspaper that is doing something very similar to this and I, you know, just wanted to comment and say that, you know,

1691
02:41:06,510 --> 02:41:11,850
economic development is strongest when the private sector kicks in and it shows

1692
02:41:11,850 --> 02:41:15,670
that you know the policies and programs that we put in place work because then

1693
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:20,270
the like I said the private sector kicks in and they also have initiative and

1694
02:41:21,050 --> 02:41:25,270
so yeah I don't know if we're going to continue with this like I said we saw the

1695
02:41:25,270 --> 02:41:33,060
the one of the Lockhart Post Register was doing going back to photo spots and

1696
02:41:33,060 --> 02:41:39,060
hashtag challenge, you know, I looked at, you know, like big, life-size ornaments and

1697
02:41:39,060 --> 02:41:45,200
those are run from $3,000 to $5,000 each, but, you know, I thought that easily we could

1698
02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:52,420
build one of these boards and paint them, utilizing, you know, local people or artists and set

1699
02:41:52,420 --> 02:41:57,200
up sort of a photo spot. People can hashtag, again, utilizing the power of social media.

1700
02:41:59,900 --> 02:42:00,420
And,

1701
02:42:00,420 --> 02:42:02,280
you know, we can put this downtown somewhere,

1702
02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:08,920
theme holiday events, you know, we can, you

1703
02:42:08,920 --> 02:42:14,640
know, tours them. It's a big thing about gift guides. We can do gift guided tours,

1704
02:42:14,860 --> 02:42:19,760
guided walks, highlighting local gifts that kind of goes back to the storytelling. Partner

1705
02:42:19,760 --> 02:42:22,620
with the Christians too, remember, really utilize that.

1706
02:42:25,370 --> 02:42:27,910
You know, most of all, all these things

1707
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:31,890
or these items or marketing initiatives that we're doing, we're creating the conditions

1708
02:42:31,890 --> 02:42:37,070
for success for establishing policies and programs to help drive traffic.

1709
02:42:38,450 --> 02:42:44,750
And then lastly, and I have not discussed this with a single business, but it was just an idea 10% off coupon with the code.

1710
02:42:45,310 --> 02:42:48,270
You would get with each business to see if they wanted to offer that.

1711
02:42:49,630 --> 02:42:56,970
And we could determine how useful it was by, you know, going forward in a couple of months,

1712
02:42:56,970 --> 02:43:04,530
we can utilize and track sales tax data over the course of a period to see if it worked.

1713
02:43:07,500 --> 02:43:09,880
So that's the end of my presentation.

1714
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:15,440
Like I said, the goal isn't to really fix things overnight and to sort of build on the

1715
02:43:15,440 --> 02:43:17,840
momentum of creating the conditions for success.

1716
02:43:18,780 --> 02:43:23,900
And this is a good time to get started because the downtown project is coming to an end.

1717
02:43:23,900 --> 02:43:28,200
And so that's something to celebrate, and Disney may have any questions.

1718
02:43:29,660 --> 02:43:30,640
So thank you.

1719
02:43:30,680 --> 02:43:32,620
I think you have a lot of great ideas there.

1720
02:43:32,780 --> 02:43:38,920
I'm looking at the 10% and the world I came out of a few years ago at the outlet centers.

1721
02:43:39,560 --> 02:43:43,200
We learned we couldn't get anybody in there for less than $20.

1722
02:43:44,120 --> 02:43:50,080
So if we could come up with maybe some sort of a gift card program, a giveaway on gift cards

1723
02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:52,860
or come down and register for something.

1724
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:54,500
There's a million ways to do it.

1725
02:43:55,300 --> 02:43:59,020
But, you know, we could set X amount of dollars as high for that.

1726
02:43:59,340 --> 02:44:03,820
I think that could generate significant foot traffic down there.

1727
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:06,560
And the other thing is I think we had a conversation,

1728
02:44:07,580 --> 02:44:12,180
not during council, but we talked about maybe some way finding signs

1729
02:44:12,180 --> 02:44:17,960
or some of the merchants down there wanted a billboard, 183,

1730
02:44:17,960 --> 02:44:19,320
to get through the holiday season.

1731
02:44:19,320 --> 02:44:21,760
I mean, it's something we'd have to do pretty quick.

1732
02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:25,760
But it's my understanding that, you know, from them,

1733
02:44:25,960 --> 02:44:27,700
that there are several that are just saying

1734
02:44:27,700 --> 02:44:29,500
the foot traffic's not there, there's confusion

1735
02:44:29,500 --> 02:44:31,920
with the construction, all that, which you can't help,

1736
02:44:31,980 --> 02:44:32,880
it's always going to be there.

1737
02:44:33,260 --> 02:44:35,180
But, you know, if we could really help promote,

1738
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:36,840
we're open, we're ready for business,

1739
02:44:37,020 --> 02:44:38,020
we've got great Christmas deals,

1740
02:44:38,180 --> 02:44:40,040
but, you know, whatever the messaging is,

1741
02:44:40,320 --> 02:44:43,360
but in all of this, the only messaging I really see

1742
02:44:43,780 --> 02:44:45,020
is the social media.

1743
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:46,900
And I do like that.

1744
02:44:46,900 --> 02:44:48,700
And I, you know, lock and tear up.

1745
02:44:49,160 --> 02:44:50,300
Have you ever seen what they're doing?

1746
02:44:50,420 --> 02:44:53,620
They do these cute little quick videos on there.

1747
02:44:53,860 --> 02:44:55,840
And it's their staff, and they say something funny.

1748
02:44:56,140 --> 02:44:56,780
And I just...

1749
02:45:01,280 --> 02:45:29,980
I have to check it out. I think there's some really creative ideas, but we got to move quickly because we're mid-October. Yes. There were also some, yes, may have been highway banners, you know, lock art squares open for business. I think that's a great idea. If we get on 183 and, you know, where people are coming into town, San Antonio, I think that's where we hit them. Yeah, I have to get with public works to kind of see where we can hang that, you know,

1750
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:33,660
with sign permits and kind of figure that out.

1751
02:45:35,860 --> 02:45:37,860
I think these are all some great suggestions

1752
02:45:37,860 --> 02:45:39,120
where do we go from here?

1753
02:45:40,360 --> 02:45:41,820
Well, this item tonight, Mayor Council,

1754
02:45:41,980 --> 02:45:44,060
it's just received general direction

1755
02:45:44,060 --> 02:45:47,440
on specific action items we can take

1756
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:50,120
and what I'm hearing is to incorporate,

1757
02:45:50,480 --> 02:45:52,240
build on the social media component

1758
02:45:52,680 --> 02:45:55,940
and then also evaluate some sort of physical sign component

1759
02:45:55,940 --> 02:45:59,560
be it banners or billboards, something to that effect.

1760
02:46:00,100 --> 02:46:01,280
If that's the direction of council,

1761
02:46:01,280 --> 02:46:08,520
what staff and I will do is elaborate further on those concepts and can provide an update on something tangible to act on.

1762
02:46:08,700 --> 02:46:20,480
Can we add to that some sort of like the gift card program, some sort of financial give away for people that, you know, in the cards that we get it, all of the downtown stores or whatever.

1763
02:46:20,660 --> 02:46:23,560
Are you saying for us the pay for this? I give cards.

1764
02:46:25,460 --> 02:46:32,900
So I just want to clarify you're seeing the gift cards will go like for instance here on the passport program

1765
02:46:32,900 --> 02:46:37,280
I have like people can enter a raffle for like a law card lovers holiday basket

1766
02:46:37,280 --> 02:46:41,640
Is is that something that you mean or do you mean the gift cards go to the businesses?

1767
02:46:43,140 --> 02:46:49,320
I would like the gift cards to be able to be spent on any of the businesses how they get the gift card is is what we

1768
02:46:49,320 --> 02:46:56,960
Which okay understand is it how do you get it? You know, oh if I go down and register if I go down do this or

1769
02:46:56,960 --> 02:47:04,980
Even on social media. Oh, you know if I do this I get a gift card. Well, yeah, like the first 50 people that sign up or something like that or some little

1770
02:47:04,980 --> 02:47:09,380
Puzzle, you know, there's a many things that they do out there, but those drive people down there

1771
02:47:09,380 --> 02:47:17,780
So you know whatever dollar amount we you know if the council wants to do that we pick X amount of dollars X amount of gift cards and

1772
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:27,100
Okay. Well, let me get with the team. Now that you know, I have some direction and we'll

1773
02:47:27,100 --> 02:47:32,580
come back with something a little bit more follow the any suggestions for some form

1774
02:47:32,580 --> 02:47:38,780
of direct economic stimulus, something like a monetary value, a $20 gift card or some

1775
02:47:38,780 --> 02:47:42,220
of the gift card of value, that's going to take some additional time to work through with

1776
02:47:42,220 --> 02:47:47,880
city attorney to make sure that that's a permissible use of city funds. So that may take

1777
02:47:47,880 --> 02:47:51,000
a little bit more time in the constraints that we have to work in. What we could do

1778
02:47:51,000 --> 02:47:55,540
is maybe do a multi-phase where we take action on maybe some of the physical components,

1779
02:47:56,240 --> 02:48:00,440
the social media and the physical signs, and then we can continue to evaluate any sort

1780
02:48:00,440 --> 02:48:04,920
of... I'd like to ask that question because I can't see that they're, in my opinion, I can't

1781
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:09,340
see that there would be that much of a difficulty allocating money for that out of some part

1782
02:48:09,340 --> 02:48:11,420
of our budget that should be legally done.

1783
02:48:11,900 --> 02:48:12,120
Oh, sure.

1784
02:48:12,220 --> 02:48:15,560
The quantity of money, I wouldn't be the challenge

1785
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:17,260
to be more so, is this viewed as a gift?

1786
02:48:17,380 --> 02:48:21,040
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but it's marketing

1787
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:22,720
for the city, basically, is what it is.

1788
02:48:22,860 --> 02:48:23,840
It would be more color-based.

1789
02:48:25,500 --> 02:48:28,460
We can definitely incorporate that into our follow-up items.

1790
02:48:29,020 --> 02:48:31,280
Yes, I'm going to go ahead with the advertising.

1791
02:48:31,900 --> 02:48:34,480
Let's have the city attorney work through the notion

1792
02:48:34,480 --> 02:48:37,720
of whether we can do the gift card idea.

1793
02:48:37,720 --> 02:48:46,560
but the digital advertising, maybe the manner idea, whatever you come up with.

1794
02:48:47,080 --> 02:48:47,180
Okay.

1795
02:48:47,620 --> 02:48:51,480
Let's go ahead and get started on something as I say, we're on a short time line.

1796
02:48:51,920 --> 02:48:52,760
Thank you, appreciate it.

1797
02:48:52,760 --> 02:48:53,460
All right, thank you.

1798
02:48:54,020 --> 02:48:54,240
We'll do.

1799
02:48:55,100 --> 02:48:55,740
Thank you very much.

1800
02:48:55,980 --> 02:48:56,360
Thank you very much.

1801
02:48:57,720 --> 02:49:07,660
We'll go back to item F, discussion interaction, authorizing the resolution, 2025-33, determining

1802
02:49:07,660 --> 02:49:35,580
that a public necessity exists for the acquisition of a permanent sanitary sewer and temporary construction easements located on real property which are required for the construction of the Lockhart Economic Development Administration sewer project, America Rescue Plan Project 08-79-05656 to construct a sanitary sewer utility infrastructure.

1803
02:49:35,580 --> 02:49:46,260
Thank you, authorizing the city manager to make offers for the acquisition of easements

1804
02:49:46,260 --> 02:49:52,000
required in the project and to expand an accurate amount, not to exceed $50,000 to acquire

1805
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:57,920
set easements, establishing certain procedures for acquisition and authorizing city manager

1806
02:49:57,920 --> 02:50:01,860
that's queued in the documents in connection there with.

1807
02:50:02,500 --> 02:50:03,800
Thank you for that, Mayor.

1808
02:50:03,800 --> 02:50:14,500
This is the first of two resolutions related to a grant from the Economic Development Administration to construct wastewater utilities along the railroad tracks on the West Side of Lockhart.

1809
02:50:15,320 --> 02:50:21,720
This project is oriented along the Union Pacific Railroad and it begins at Tank Street ending at the Wendrich Sew Division.

1810
02:50:22,060 --> 02:50:32,060
The project is a 100% design and all the necessary easements have been obtained except the wastewater utility and construction easements across two parcels of one property owner.

1811
02:50:32,060 --> 02:50:42,180
The acquisition of the permanent utility easement will prevent the city to access, maintain, operate, and take care of the utility that's going to be located in this easement.

1812
02:50:42,460 --> 02:50:48,480
The resolution would authorize the city manager to pay just compensation to the owner for the acquisition of the easement.

1813
02:50:49,240 --> 02:50:54,620
Staff recommends approval of resolution 2025-33.

1814
02:50:54,620 --> 02:50:54,740
three.

1815
02:50:56,810 --> 02:51:01,930
Okay. It's just 33. Yes. It's not this. This one. Okay.

1816
02:51:04,030 --> 02:51:04,590
Any

1817
02:51:04,590 --> 02:51:05,770
had any questions?

1818
02:51:08,290 --> 02:51:11,550
And do I hear a motion? I have a motion to approve to hear a

1819
02:51:11,550 --> 02:51:17,430
second. Second. Second from Councilman Castile. Any other discussion? All in favor please

1820
02:51:17,430 --> 02:51:23,890
raise your hand. Motion passes 7-0. Go to item G discussion interaction regarding

1821
02:51:23,890 --> 02:51:32,570
in Resolution 2025-34, finding that one sanitary sewer easement and one temporary construction

1822
02:51:32,570 --> 02:51:38,670
easement located on property listed are addressed as 1600s on the Valley Road Lockhart,

1823
02:51:39,210 --> 02:51:43,770
Awalk County, Texas, are necessary for the construction of the Lockhart Economic Development

1824
02:51:43,770 --> 02:51:53,050
Administration sewer project, American Rescue Plan Act project number 0-8-79-56-56, to

1825
02:51:53,050 --> 02:52:03,510
We construct sanitary sewer utility infrastructure and authorizing the use of eminent domain to condemn the easement interest pursuant to government code

1826
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:06,870
2206-053.

1827
02:52:07,450 --> 02:52:08,070
Thank you again Mayor.

1828
02:52:08,650 --> 02:52:11,810
This second resolution is regarding the same wastewater project.

1829
02:52:11,970 --> 02:52:15,810
Staff and contract land services continue to negotiate with the owner.

1830
02:52:16,010 --> 02:52:20,110
However, they have not been able to reach an agreement with the property owner for the remaining easement interest.

1831
02:52:20,110 --> 02:52:24,810
just. Therefore, the city believes it is prudent to authorize the use of eminent domain for

1832
02:52:24,810 --> 02:52:33,090
the easements located at 1600 Silent Valley Road. Just compensation was determined by appraisal

1833
02:52:33,090 --> 02:52:39,390
and the city through contract land services made initial offer on July 3, 2025 for their

1834
02:52:39,390 --> 02:52:44,810
praised amount. Contract land services was able to contact the property owner to discuss

1835
02:52:44,810 --> 02:52:49,450
the offer. The owner did not accept the initial offer. However, despite good faith invocations

1836
02:52:49,450 --> 02:52:50,770
and agreement could not be reached.

1837
02:52:51,330 --> 02:52:54,370
After a final offer was made on August 19th, 2025,

1838
02:52:56,070 --> 02:52:57,110
we are here tonight.

1839
02:52:57,550 --> 02:53:02,210
So resolution 20, 25-34 authorize the use

1840
02:53:02,210 --> 02:53:03,890
of eminent domain for projects remaining,

1841
02:53:04,170 --> 02:53:05,650
even as it's recommended for approval.

1842
02:53:06,470 --> 02:53:06,750
Okay.

1843
02:53:08,230 --> 02:53:09,630
Anybody have any questions?

1844
02:53:10,790 --> 02:53:13,250
Then will somebody read this motion?

1845
02:53:14,190 --> 02:53:14,430
I will.

1846
02:53:14,910 --> 02:53:18,410
I move that the city of law card approve resolution number 2025,

1847
02:53:18,410 --> 02:53:23,390
that's 34 and authorize the use of imminent domain to acquire a permanent

1848
02:53:23,390 --> 02:53:27,470
sanitary sewer easement and a temporary construction easement located on the

1849
02:53:27,470 --> 02:53:30,850
two properties both being necessary for the construction of the lock art

1850
02:53:30,850 --> 02:53:35,310
economic development administration sewer project the permanent sanitary sewer

1851
02:53:35,310 --> 02:53:41,310
easement being legally described as being a 15 foot wide 30,758 square foot

1852
02:53:41,310 --> 02:53:45,970
tract of land and the temporary construction easement legally described as being a

1853
02:53:45,970 --> 02:53:51,990
15 foot wide, 30,810 square foot tract of land, both situated in the City of

1854
02:53:51,990 --> 02:53:55,790
La Carte, Caldwell County, Texas, and being also a part of the Cornelius

1855
02:53:55,790 --> 02:54:02,390
Crinshall Survey, A-68, and being also a part of a tract of land designated as

1856
02:54:02,390 --> 02:54:08,670
exhibit B, called 21.584 acres, and part of a tract of land designated as

1857
02:54:08,670 --> 02:54:14,410
exhibit C, tract 1, called 35.97 acres, and conveyed to Spillman

1858
02:54:14,410 --> 02:54:22,510
properties LTD by deed recorded in volume 586 paid to 112 of the official public records of

1859
02:54:22,510 --> 02:54:23,530
Caldwell County, Texas.

1860
02:54:24,010 --> 02:54:27,110
Okay, we have a motion by Councilman Larson to hear a second.

1861
02:54:27,250 --> 02:54:27,530
Second.

1862
02:54:27,810 --> 02:54:29,390
Second by Councilman Castillo.

1863
02:54:29,950 --> 02:54:30,730
Any other discussion?

1864
02:54:31,690 --> 02:54:33,030
All the favor, please, raise your hand.

1865
02:54:33,750 --> 02:54:36,250
Opposed, motion passes 7-0.

1866
02:54:37,250 --> 02:54:37,810
Thank you.

1867
02:54:38,010 --> 02:54:39,370
Any other discussion?

1868
02:54:40,650 --> 02:54:41,930
All the favor, please, raise your hand.

1869
02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:42,770
Opposed, motion passes 7-0.

1870
02:54:42,770 --> 02:54:43,310
Thank you.

1871
02:54:43,310 --> 02:54:43,930
Thank you.

1872
02:54:43,930 --> 02:54:50,850
Mayor. The first item tonight is regarding the Cold War County road projects and late September

1873
02:54:51,440 --> 02:54:58,410
staff participated in a utility stakeholder meeting for the county road bond 2024 road bond projects.

1874
02:54:58,910 --> 02:55:04,110
Designed for these projects and commencement of the corridor study is anticipated to begin in the

1875
02:55:04,110 --> 02:55:10,670
first quarter of 2026. Staff will continue to participate in the stakeholder engagement meetings to

1876
02:55:10,670 --> 02:55:13,850
sure that we're represented as these construction projects continue.

1877
02:55:14,410 --> 02:55:14,750
Very good.

1878
02:55:14,890 --> 02:55:15,290
Making progress.

1879
02:55:17,530 --> 02:55:20,070
An update on the Gateway Monument Signs.

1880
02:55:20,330 --> 02:55:23,090
Contractors began site work for the Signs in September.

1881
02:55:23,870 --> 02:55:27,350
As a reminder, there will be three Gateway Monument Signs placed along

1882
02:55:27,350 --> 02:55:29,610
SH-130 and 183.

1883
02:55:30,210 --> 02:55:35,530
SH-142 at SH-130 and SH-130 near Maple Street.

1884
02:55:36,310 --> 02:55:41,210
The contractors will begin additional work on the signage cabinets next week

1885
02:55:41,210 --> 02:55:46,590
And the goal is to have these signs substantially complete by the end of October so again

1886
02:55:46,590 --> 02:55:48,490
We're making great progress on that project as well

1887
02:55:51,260 --> 02:55:56,040
As you all are well aware national night out was this past Tuesday. We had a great turnout

1888
02:55:56,040 --> 02:55:58,560
We had nine neighborhoods sign up to participate

1889
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:06,500
Staff and counsel. I know I made the rounds at these events and it was great to see community involvement and engagement with our public safety

1890
02:56:06,500 --> 02:56:10,880
Personnel and our first responders. So this is always a great annual community building event

1891
02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:11,280
Okay,

1892
02:56:13,340 --> 02:56:18,860
and then the last item for tonight is a quick reminder that these splash pads will be closing for the season

1893
02:56:18,860 --> 02:56:21,260
on Sunday October 26th

1894
02:56:21,840 --> 02:56:24,880
So I think we'll have the weather to continue using them until that point

1895
02:56:24,880 --> 02:56:26,660
But just a quick reminder

1896
02:56:28,380 --> 02:56:29,580
Council come in

1897
02:56:31,220 --> 02:56:36,340
I'd like to thank Lockhart cross country voice team. They won the 20

1898
02:56:36,340 --> 02:56:43,980
I mean, they won District 2558 cross-country meet and this is like number 33 for the cross-country team.

1899
02:56:44,200 --> 02:56:47,800
So, congratulations to Coach Hipster and his boys.

1900
02:56:49,380 --> 02:56:49,880
Mayor's program.

1901
02:56:50,160 --> 02:56:55,680
Yes, Mayor and Council, all I have is just a special thank you to all of the hosts that

1902
02:56:55,680 --> 02:56:59,740
plan and hosted their neighborhood, National Nide House, and get together.

1903
02:56:59,940 --> 02:57:02,000
So, thank you very much and it's greatly appreciated.

1904
02:57:02,300 --> 02:57:02,900
That's all I have, sir.

1905
02:57:02,900 --> 02:57:07,720
I've got two quick items. I just want to say thank you to Hayes Coldwell Women's Center.

1906
02:57:08,220 --> 02:57:16,440
I know they received a proclamation tonight. I hope everybody realizes what they do and the services they provide for our community.

1907
02:57:16,820 --> 02:57:25,240
They do a lot for us that maybe a lot of us don't realize. So they're a great organization and I'm proud to be a part of them.

1908
02:57:26,200 --> 02:57:30,580
second thing I'll just say kind of what Angie said about National Night Out.

1909
02:57:31,000 --> 02:57:35,460
Thank you for all the people but participated in that and especially the

1910
02:57:35,460 --> 02:57:40,340
Law Court Police Department, EMS and Fire Departments. I know they came by my house

1911
02:57:40,340 --> 02:57:46,200
and the kids loved it and it was a very fun night with a great turnout. So thank

1912
02:57:46,200 --> 02:57:51,700
you to the city. Yeah just want to congratulate everybody on the National Night Out.

1913
02:57:51,700 --> 02:57:58,180
It had a good meeting with neighbors here in that handsford use of divisions on in my district

1914
02:57:58,180 --> 02:58:03,820
Thanks to organizers had a good meeting a turnout. I also want to say thanks to Sean and

1915
02:58:04,420 --> 02:58:09,500
City manager Joseph were meeting with me talking about an upcoming project at the expansion of

1916
02:58:11,080 --> 02:58:13,380
142 in Mockingbird and

1917
02:58:14,100 --> 02:58:15,960
Thanks to staff and

1918
02:58:15,960 --> 02:58:22,380
That said, we're starting a new year, I mean fiscal year, so we'll see how we can do

1919
02:58:22,380 --> 02:58:28,240
to tackle some of these upcoming issues and thanks to my council members and mayor.

1920
02:58:29,500 --> 02:58:35,500
We're still moving ahead, we're trying to get through the growing pains of what we're

1921
02:58:35,500 --> 02:58:39,640
experiencing at this time, but that said, I think we've got a good team put together right

1922
02:58:39,640 --> 02:58:44,900
right now and we'll see how we can continue to make our car better.

1923
02:58:48,850 --> 02:58:56,290
Thank all the participants were national night out, it was great seeing a lot of people

1924
02:58:56,850 --> 02:59:00,470
out in their neighborhoods and visiting.

1925
02:59:02,550 --> 02:59:08,450
And then, Joseph, can we may not be able to do this, but on the splash pad, if it's still

1926
02:59:08,450 --> 02:59:17,600
No warm in November. Is it possible to extend that for a bit or is that Sunday

1927
02:59:17,600 --> 02:59:23,580
drop dead? I can certainly review that with our parks director and view what

1928
02:59:23,580 --> 02:59:30,410
are options. I've already had people ask, you know, if it stays warmer like

1929
02:59:30,410 --> 02:59:36,530
it is right now, can we extend that for a bit? We can certainly explore that, yes.

1930
02:59:36,530 --> 02:59:37,130
Thank you.

1931
02:59:40,770 --> 02:59:48,250
We received a very nice thank you letter from Steve Lewis for the reception and the gifts

1932
02:59:48,250 --> 02:59:55,530
and the honor that he had to work in the community and wish us all well.

1933
02:59:55,530 --> 02:59:57,410
Well, I'm...

1934
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:26,600
He's traveling over to Giddings tomorrow morning. There's going to be a rural health care program put on by a sense in, in Giddings. And so I'm going to be traveling to Houston. So I'm going to stop and listen to that for a while. And that's about all I have tonight. We're going to go into executive session in accordance with provisions of the government.

1935
03:00:26,600 --> 03:00:35,940
Code type 5, sub chapter D, section 551.087 to deliberate or discussion regarding commercial

1936
03:00:35,940 --> 03:00:41,080
or financial information that the governmental body has received from a business prospect

1937
03:00:41,080 --> 03:00:47,500
that the governmental body seeks to have locates stay or expand in or near the territory of

1938
03:00:47,500 --> 03:00:53,120
the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting economic development negotiations

1939
03:00:53,120 --> 03:00:59,680
or to deliberate the offer of a financial or other incentive to a business project.

1940
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:05,060
Item A, discussion regarding economic development negotiations with projects.

1941
03:01:06,400 --> 03:01:09,080
CA237 and CA246.

1942
03:01:09,480 --> 03:01:13,220
We are in executive section at 945.

1943
03:01:13,220 --> 03:01:13,280
Yeah,

1944
03:01:15,440 --> 03:01:16,240
it's a really.