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or something

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Oh my goodness.

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All right.

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So, welcome to the Lump City Council

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meeting,

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Tuesday, July 21st, 2026.

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Roll call, please.

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» Council member Ball,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Bridge,

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>> present. Council member Vega

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>> Mayor Prom Starbucks

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>> present.

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>> Mayor Mosby

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>> present.

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>> City attorney reported any action in

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close session.

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>> Thank you, mayor, for the special

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meeting tonight that started at 5:15.

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The city council met in close session to

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discuss the one labor negotiation item

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on the agenda uh regarding

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the international association of

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firefighters, the international

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brotherhood of electrical workers,

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management, supervisory and confidential

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employees and the unrepresented

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employees. City council gave direction

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to staff on that item but no reportable

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I get

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please join me in invocation.

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Are you up? Come on down. Followed by

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the pledge of allegiance. Please stand.

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Mayor, council members,

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city clerk,

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our first responders and citizens of

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LMPO.

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I'm glad that you're here to join with

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me in prayer. But I don't know how I could live life

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without it, tell you the truth, because

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I'm just not that smart.

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And there is a higher power

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for me.

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I don't just come here on Tuesdays to

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pray. I I pray every day for Lump Poke

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because I love LM Poke

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and I love the citizens of LM Poke and I

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love this council and I want to thank

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you for your servthood.

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uh to be a servant doesn't mean you know

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everything and you do everything right

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because you'll never be able to please

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everybody but if you do it with your

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heart intent to make a better lump a

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better city I mean that's the whole

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objective if you're going to be a

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servant and there's you know I see young

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people that come in here and I want to

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let you know that if you're coming to be

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a servant you'll be a great servant but

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if you're coming to be a leader you'll

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be a poor leader.

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leader.

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up here and take the hard hits.

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somebody talking about you

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and you're still going to do the right

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thing.

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servant there ever be. And I I applaud

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you young people. Be a servant.

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rock the boat if you're not in it. But

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when you get in the boat, you try to

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steady it a little better.

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me? I appreciate you. I love you, too.

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Father, I want to thank you for this

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time uh for City of Lamp, our first

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responders, our city manager. Uh thank

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you uh for our city attorney and for all

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the staff that comes here every uh twice

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uh a month to to to work out the the

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issues, the challenges,

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Lord, that we have in our city. And I

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want to thank you, Father. Um you know,

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you remind us that we live in such a

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great place that we don't need air

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conditioner today. reminded us it can

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get pretty hot and we need we need air

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and we know that it won't last long. We

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hope not.

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The best place on the central coast.

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Don't tell everybody about it. Father,

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bless the meeting tonight.

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Bless our leaders.

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Bless our servant leaders, Lord. that

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the that the best possible outcome uh

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for our city and for the citizens

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Lord that we you know the you know the

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needs that we have

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you see the struggles that we get

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and Lord often times it's not the

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individual it's the process

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sometimes it's other people and other

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government agencies that we have to deal

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with to get our city in alignment

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for the betterment of this of the of the

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citizens. So we ask for your wisdom. We

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ask for your presence. We want to say

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thank you so much

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for all that you do for us. And I call

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you father God for that very purpose. We

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are your children. And in your name I

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pray.

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Please show me the pledge of allegiance.

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Ready? Begin.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, liberty and

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justice for all.

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» City manager reports.

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Thank you, mayor. I want to take a

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minute and remind everybody that uh July

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is the National Park and Rex month. Um

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we have a lot of fun stuff on our

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calendar and you guys can participate

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in. The theme this year is the power of

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the parks and recreation. Just wanted to

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let everybody know that we will be

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having a free public swim next Tuesday,

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July 28th from 1 to 3.

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registration for the library's third

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annual edible book contest is now open.

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lovers uh books can chefs and from age 7

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to 14 can put their literature worked in some delicious looking edible

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masterpieces. Um I have to go check this

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out. Entries will be judged strictly on

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creativity, visual presentation, not

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tastes. And the contest will be at Ryan

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our book challenge or our summer reading

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program. [snorts] And uh we've got

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360,000 minutes read and our goal is

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input for survey on the general fund

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update will again be open for the month

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of August. This is an opportunity for

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residents to share their input regarding

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what they love about LMP, things that

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can be improved, what they believe the

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future can look like. Um this 20 this

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will be for the 2050 general plan and

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it'll be going out in the August utility

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bills for a survey link. And that's all

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it's park month, can you explain to us

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what's going on? I get a lot of calls

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about Batty Park, River Park. Uh what's

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going on? The grass is all dying.

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problems with our older system. Um me

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and Mario sat down and got to be a

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pretty lengthy conversation. So maybe

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next season that's going on and

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everything's dead. Doesn't make sense.

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this some irrigation problems. Um, our

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systems and our parks are decades old.

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to valve is is buried deep and it's not

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in the the conduit. So, it's been like

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that for decades. So, a lot of the the

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gophers are eating our wires. So, we're

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in the process that the past week our

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park staff that met with a couple reps

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and we're looking at wireless valve that

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transmitters that that will be hooked up

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to our um irrigation clocks. So, it

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would avoid some of those problems that we're having as well. So, we're

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getting proposals on that as well as the

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clock on the bottom part of 80 that will be replaced tomorrow. And so the

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bottom half will be working and we'll be

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evaluating those bell boxes as well. And

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until we get this figured out, staff

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will be going around and um watering

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those parks by um hand through the

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valves and turning those on as well.

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Good deal. Hopefully we can get them

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greened up here. I know a lot of sports

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seasons are starting and

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heck, it's fire season out here. Some of

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these parks would catch on vote if not

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careful. Right. Anybody else see any

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other questions for city manager?

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number of recusals for the consent

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calendar items. So bear with me while I

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list them here. I'm going to go in order

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of the items on the consent calendar. Um

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item number two is the approval and

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ratification of expenditures. Uh Council

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Member Starbucks has uh is going to

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recuse himself with respect to check

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number 6640

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on item number two. That's a check to

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the LMPoke Valley Chamber of Commerce,

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which is a source of income to council

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member Starbucks. on on uh consent

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calendar item number three. Council

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member Ball uh is going to recuse

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himself from that item because the

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LMPoke Unified School District is a

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source of income to council member Ball

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within the last 12 months.

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uh involves 112 North H Street, which is

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LMPoke Theater. Uh, Council Member

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Starbucks owns property within 500 ft of

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the theater and he therefore will recuse

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himself from item number four.

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Item number six involves 101 South B

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Street. Mayor Mosby owns property within

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500 ft of 101 South B Street and he will

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therefore recuse himself from that item.

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Now, item number seven involves an

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opportunity zone within the city and

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Mayor Mosby owns property within that

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opportunity zone. He will therefore

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recuse himself from that item as well.

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All right. So, I'll just read them into

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the record. Number one is the approval

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of minutes for April 21st, 2026. Number

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two is approval and ratification of

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expenditures for payroll June 19th, 2026

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at 2.184 million. Another voucher from

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June 15th to 18th, 2026 of 1.683

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million. Another voucher register for

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June 22nd through 26 of 2026 of 1.714

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million. Number three is approval of

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independent contractor service agreement

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with Lumbok Unified School District for

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the school resource officer program.

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Number four is the approval of an

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encroachment license agreement with

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[clears throat] maintenance and removal

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covenant for the Lomboke theater project

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at 112 North H Street. Number five is

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approval of change order request to

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purchase order with WSPUSA Incorporated

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for landfill gas compliance and air

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toxic hotspots act.

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Number six is the adoption of resolution

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number 6835

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26 repealing resolution number 459097

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and removing a passenger loading zone

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and a 20minut restricted parking zone at

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101 South B Street. Number seven is

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adoption of resolution number 6836

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Princy 26 expressing support for the

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submitt of an opportunity zone 2.0 local

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authority recommendation form.

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Anybody have any oral communications on

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those seven items?

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See nobody rise for those be able to

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close. Anybody on phone or teams over

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here? Emily,

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>> there's no public comment via teams or

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audio.

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>> Okay,

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very good. See that? We'll close oral

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communications. Bring back the council

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for vote, motion, vote, comment,

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discussion, deliberation.

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What do you guys got?

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Don't jump on it at once.

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Got a motion. What's your motion,

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Council Member Ball?

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>> I'll make a motion to accept consent

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calendar with um all 700 of the

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recusals.

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>> Okay, we got a first. You got a second

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on that one.

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The motion on the table is to accept

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less the recused items. Second by

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council member ve let's go ahead and

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move

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everybody vote.

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Yes. No.

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And that passes 5.

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All right. Moving on to staff

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presentation announcements and requests.

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Do we have any of those? City manager.

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None. Okay.

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Which brings us to the basic oral

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communications. This is uh three minutes

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oral communications.

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Good evening, mayor, city council. Joyce

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Howton.

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I thought I'd come tonight and take you

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to the woodshed. You know, I was at a

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city council meeting a couple weeks ago

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and I can't tell you how appalled I was.

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Appalled, embarrassed,

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angry. We had visitors from solving

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sitting here and we saw you, Mayor

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Mosby, berating staff.

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your staff that are trained, responsible

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people that were hired because they can

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do the job and in front of a room full

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of people, you just went off and it was

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so embarrassing. I happen to have gone

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to um the solving city council a number

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of times and I would encourage you to go

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and watch because they're very civil.

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They're very respectful to everyone.

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I would like to see civility and respect

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brought back to your interactions, not

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just with staff, but with people in the

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community, with people that come to

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speak to you. I'd also like to ask you

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to stop making your snide little

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comments about the board of supervisors.

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You may not like them, but guess what?

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We need them. They can do a lot for the

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city of Lomboke. and every time you take

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a shot at them, somebody's paying

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attention. So, you know, rudeness isn't

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a friend maker. Um, please consider the

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example you're setting. I can guarantee

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there's at least one young person at

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home that's on a work project or is um

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doing an assignment and they're watching

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this council meeting tonight. There's a

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lot of young people sitting here. You

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should be their role models. You should

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be the ones to show them how to do it.

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That's our future. Do you want our

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future to see a bunch of elderly men

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sitting up there just muttering away?

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No. We want to put examples that we can

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be proud of. Um,

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anger, disrespect is not the image our

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community wants from you. The tone of

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recent city council meetings feels

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outdated and unprofessional.

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Guys, it's not 1950 anymore. You got to

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up your game.

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You can and you should do better for

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LMPoke.

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Oh, and I I heard about the me

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everywhere I go in town. That's all

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anybody's talking about are these

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council meetings. They finally made

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prime time.

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>> So,

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I guess we have a new photographer on

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the council. Apparently, Mayor Mosby,

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you came into the meeting and took

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pictures of the people that had

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attended. That's really a great way to

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get more people to come to a council

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member to think the mayor is going to be

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taking their picture. So I was seeking

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to counter that. Maybe everybody in the

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audience should take your picture and

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then finally what you would have

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something in common with the community.

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Thank you.

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» Uh good evening mayor and council

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members. Uh my name is Renee and I'm a

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volunteer um organizer with 805 undocu.

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I want to remind everyone on in this

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room of something that happened just

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recently when our committee learned that

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there was a proposal to remove city

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council city uh mayor manager. People

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showed up. Residents fill this chamber

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because they believe such an important

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decision deserves transparency and

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public accountability. Whether people

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agreed or disagree with the city manager

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isn't the point. The point is that the

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people of Longpoke made it clear that

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decisions affecting the future of our

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city should never happen without the

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public paying attention.

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That meeting sent a message not just to

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this council but to our entire

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community. The people of Loke are

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engaged, organized, and watching. For

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years, too many residents felt their

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voices didn't matter. Today, that's

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changing. At 805 on DoyFund, our mission

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is to support immigrant families, but

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our work has always been about something

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bigger. Building civic participation, we

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encourage people to to know their

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rights, to know how local government

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works, and to understand that democracy

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doesn't end at on election day. It

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continues every time someone attends a

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council meeting, speaks during public

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comment, volunteers in their

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neighborhood, or holds elected officials

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accountable. Our coalition includes

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people from many different backgrounds

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and organizations. We don't agree on

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everything, but we agree on this. Public

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office is a public trust. We're not here

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because we want conflict. We're here

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because we love LMPoke. We want a city

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where decisions are made openly, where

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every resident feels represented, and

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where elected officials remember that

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they serve the people,

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not the other way around. So, let's be

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clear. We're not going anywhere. We will

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continue attending meetings. We will

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continue asking questions. We will

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continue organizing our neighbors. We

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will continue encouraging people to

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vote, to participate, and to speak up

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respectfully when they believe something

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isn't right. This isn't about one

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meeting or one issue. It's about

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building culture accountability that

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lasts long after today's headlines are

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forgotten. The people of Lok have found

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their voice and that voice deserves to

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be heard. Thank you.

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We aren't going anywhere. Indeed. Uh,

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good evening. I only have a few words

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tonight, but I'd like to begin with some

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good news. Finally, for the first time

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in quite a while, I want to recognize

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our mayor. Mayor, after months of public

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pressure, multiple controversies,

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reduction in public services, and more

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than seven community organizations

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calling for accountability, it appears

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progress has finally been made towards

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cleaning up your properties. This is a

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picture that I got the other day. Now,

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don't worry, I'm not a stalker. I just

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happen to be driving by. Now, while I'm

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glad to see progress, accountability

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shouldn't only come after public

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pressure. Leadership means setting the

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example before someone has to ask. If we

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expect residents to follow city

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standards, those standards should apply

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equally to everyone,

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especially those elected to lead our

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city. I also recently learned that there

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are 36 flock safety cameras operating

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throughout our city. Public safety is

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incredibly important, and I support

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efforts to reduce crime and keep our

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neighborhoods safe. But public safety

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should never come at the expense of

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people who live in our community.

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Residents deserve to know how these

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technologies are being used, how long

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information is retained, and why there

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is a meaningful need for mass

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surveillance in Lomboke. Every meeting

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we hear about another challenge facing

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our city. Too often it feels like we are

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moving backwards instead of forwards.

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LMPO deserves leadership that is

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proactive instead of reactive.

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Leadership that solves problems before

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they become headlines and leadership

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that is willing to hold itself to the

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same standards it expects from the

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people who they represent. Our community

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deserves better and I hope we continue

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moving in that direction. Thank you.

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» Hi surprise. I'm Diana Diaz. I live up

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the hill and I'm here to talk about

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Chick-fil-A.

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And I heard that we are having a

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Chick-fil-A coming here. And I'm very

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concerned about how they love to have

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people wait on the street to eat at

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Chick-fil-A. You go and you want to

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drive down the street and no, you can't.

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you have to change lanes because

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Chick-fil-A

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has cars so lined up that it's been an

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inconvenience in Santa Barbara. They had

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to have um two drive-through lanes and

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they still end up with people out on the

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street waiting to go into Chick-fil-A.

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So, it's a chronic problem wherever

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there's a Chick-fil-A. And I guess

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people really love Chick-fil-A. I mean,

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it's delicious, but I can't stomach it

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because they're anti-LGBTQ+

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and I just can't. So, I won't be eating

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there. But I'm very concerned that they

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have not purchased enough property to

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manage their traffic flow and that is

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not acceptable. If they want the people

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to come in, they need or just order and

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not come in, then they need the property

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to do it on. And I'm not sure that they

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bought enough or have enough. And I

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apparently in Santa Maria it's a

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problem. We have problems with our

549
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drive-throughs that we already have

550
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,679
here. People line up on the street for

551
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:39,840
McDonald's sometimes. So there's a

552
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,120
traffic flow problem there. In um the

553
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,400
Albertson's parking lot, there's two

554
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,840
drive-throughs that are a chronic

555
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,880
problem and that they they back up

556
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,039
traffic within it. I mean, it is private

557
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,440
property, so it's not really the city's

558
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,080
problem, but just observing historically

559
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,600
speaking, they have traffic lined up in

560
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,840
where people are trying to park, trying

561
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,399
to drive through to get to parking or

562
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:09,039
Taco Bell. I want to go to yogurt and I

563
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,640
can't go through a certain way. I have

564
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,200
to go a different way because I don't

565
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,240
want to deal with the traffic. So, what

566
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,559
are we going to do? Are we just going to

567
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,399
let them come here and then our streets

568
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:24,799
are their parking lot? That should be a

569
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:28,159
no. So, we should look at their plans

570
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:30,559
more carefully and make sure that we're

571
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,360
going in the right direction so people

572
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,159
can get their Chick-fil-A and not annoy

573
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:38,720
the rest of us that want to just drive

574
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,630
on the street. So, thank you

575
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,389
Anybody

576
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:52,230
else?

577
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Anything on phone or teams?

578
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,799
>> There is one public comment via teams.

579
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:05,430
Um speaker with the last four of 8110.

580
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,159
You may speak. Your time is 3 minutes

581
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:10,880
just as if you were in person. There may

582
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,269
be a little bit of a lag.

583
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,640
Okay, I'm no longer muted. I hope you

584
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,799
can hear me. This is Karen Howenstein.

585
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,760
I am calling in today

586
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,679
because the chief of police and the

587
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:34,960
police captain have decided

588
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,720
to violate my civil rights in a variety

589
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,240
of ways because I am so effective as an

590
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,360
investigator and also an official

591
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,919
complaint reporter about the death of

592
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:51,520
Liliana Zuniga. I know that if anybody's

593
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,480
been paying attention, they've heard me

594
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320
complain

595
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,559
about the lack of transparency

596
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:02,480
surrounding the death of Liliana Zuniga

597
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,600
inside our police station

598
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,120
in March of 2023.

599
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,880
that's apparently coming to a head

600
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,000
because they're now attacking me, having

601
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,200
me arrested actually for violating a

602
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,039
restraining order that they'd husted

603
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,760
upon me. Now, I'm not not going to talk

604
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,399
about that anymore because I had to sit

605
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:25,919
through

606
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:28,240
Joyce Howard.

607
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Joyce, I've known you for 30 years.

608
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,440
Honestly, honey, when I was so young and

609
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,520
I looked up to you, I had absolutely no

610
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,720
idea what you were really doing behind

611
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,399
the scene to stifle

612
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,520
the building of homes in our community.

613
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,279
>> Excuse me. Direct your stuff to the city

614
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,880
council, not to speakers. Okay.

615
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200
>> Oh, sorry about that. Okay. Sorry about

616
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,120
that. City council, I've got a complaint

617
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,600
about Joyce Howard because she sucked as

618
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,440
a mayor. She sucked as a mayor so bad

619
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,720
that she shoved Lomboke back about 20

620
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,520
years. And her friends are the ones who

621
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,840
own the surf development corporation

622
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,600
which I have now done a lot of

623
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,399
investigation about and it is not

624
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:21,919
transparent

625
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:28,159
and it's keeping a lid on our town.

626
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,960
And I'm probably preaching to the choir

627
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,520
because I know that our city council and

628
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,919
our mayor have been around for a long

629
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:39,760
time like I have, like Joyce has. She's

630
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,320
taking this opportunity, the fact that

631
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,039
I'm being my civil rights are being

632
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:46,640
violated

633
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,720
to keep me out of that meeting and it

634
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,880
won't happen forever.

635
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,960
God bless you all. Thank you for being

636
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:07,509
there doing the good work. See you soon.

637
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,600
» There's no more public comment via Teams

638
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,480
or audio.

639
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,080
>> Right. Come on down.

640
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,159
>> Howdy, Carl Jones. Uh update. Uh

641
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:20,240
the cars over there on on Laurel, they

642
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,840
actually belong to somebody. you know,

643
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,200
they lease the property, but

644
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,559
there's a lot of people going around

645
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,760
stealing from the people. I got the

646
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,279
numbers for the guys. I try to get a

647
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,640
hold of them when I can, but you know,

648
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,840
when I'm going to work at 3 in the

649
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,960
morning, I see guys out there with

650
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,600
toolbox. One thing I do, yell at them.

651
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,720
You know, just, you know, we do have a

652
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,919
lot of crime. We got a lot of people

653
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:43,519
just go around this this city and they

654
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:44,559
just think they can get away with

655
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,000
anything because nothing's really being

656
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,320
done against them. You know, it's it's

657
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,679
the truth, you know. uh you call this

658
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:52,880
type of stuff in. Are you the land

659
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,240
owner? No, I'm not. Okay. Well, the land

660
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,039
owner is calling. This is this these are

661
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,600
the type of responses you get. You know,

662
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,000
uh this guy's uh stoned out of his gard

663
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,200
sitting in the freaking damn parking

664
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,919
lot. Why are you calling the police?

665
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,559
Who am I supposed to call?

666
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,840
You know that this these are the type

667
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,360
things that are happening within this

668
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,000
city. You know, I you know, we do need

669
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120
to do a little more concentration on the

670
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,039
public safety.

671
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,880
You know, this stuff's blatantly

672
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,240
happening. I mean, just uh last month,

673
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,159
I'm sitting over there in the shopping

674
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,679
center. I got kids running up and down

675
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:31,760
the sidewalk on these ding electric

676
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,480
bicycles that go 45 miles an hour.

677
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640
People are, you know, trying to dodge,

678
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,720
get out of their way. Well, not myself.

679
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,080
I just stand in their way because I let

680
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,399
them hit me, you know, but

681
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,159
can't, you know, what's going on? We we

682
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,519
don't have the officers available.

683
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:48,960
What's or we're not patrolling well

684
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,039
enough? Do we need more officers? You

685
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,360
know, all this stuff comes to light that

686
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,159
needs to happen because public safety is

687
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,000
really failing.

688
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,440
That's the only way I can say it. It's

689
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,039
really failing. And I know we need to

690
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,360
figure this out, you know, come together

691
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,960
as a council, as a community, what have

692
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,919
you, you know. Uh but yeah, there's a lot of issues that really

693
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:12,079
still need to be addressed. Thank you.

694
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,510
Anybody

695
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,190
else?

696
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Seeing nobody else will close public

697
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,399
oral communications appointment council

698
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,720
appointment to Santa Barbber continue of

699
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:36,950
care coc board

700
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,040
counc.

701
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280
Uh, I'm happy to take that one if no one

702
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,720
else is interested.

703
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,480
>> All right. Anybody have discussion on

704
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,560
that? Well, before we take a motion, are

705
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,079
you guys okay with all that

706
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,280
>> discussion?

707
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,399
>> All right. Let's go and make a motion up

708
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:58,550
for the motion. Motion.

709
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,040
» Motion by Vegas, second by Starbucks to

710
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,280
put Council Member Bowl on the COC.

711
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,760
Right. I just have one question. Yes.

712
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:20,630
The continuum of practice

713
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,119
zero. You made it. It's a battle, but

714
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,910
you got it. You won.

715
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Number nine,

716
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400
uh, public hearing on zone code text

717
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,000
amendment 80.

718
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,720
>> I I need to, uh, on number 80, we had

719
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,720
these, uh, external agencies.

720
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,400
Um, and I asked if we were approving

721
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,599
that, we said no. So, I'd like to talk

722
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,119
on that briefly if I can.

723
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,599
>> Yeah, we did all these appointments a

724
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,040
while ago, but

725
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,720
>> Yeah. Well, I could I since this was on

726
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,280
the

727
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,480
>> You got a suggestion? Yeah. What do you

728
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,119
want to talk about?

729
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,760
>> I do. Um so item three and item 10, the

730
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,359
electrical

731
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:04,480
utility joint powers agency

732
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,550
and the uh

733
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,280
California tank

734
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,119
um and the associated m municipal

735
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,839
utilities association.

736
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:21,040
um these agencies have significant

737
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,240
discussion about financial decisions and

738
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,920
these decisions don't have the same

739
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,920
transparency as discussions on the DS.

740
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,000
So out of respect for Councilman Ball

741
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,040
and his minions representing concerns

742
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,920
regarding my um involvement,

743
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,520
I'm going to step down from this

744
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
external agency representation.

745
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,880
the backup is Councilman Ball who can

746
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,520
fill the primary role at least in this

747
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,680
area to address his concerns. So, um in

748
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,520
respect for those who are concerned

749
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,400
about me making uh financial decisions

750
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040
that are not transparent,

751
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,040
those two agencies do that. So, I'll be

752
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,280
stepping down from those.

753
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,200
It's for the city attorney. Is that

754
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,480
something we could do at this time or do

755
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,560
you want to agendaize it better? A

756
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,240
council member can resign from one of

757
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,079
those boards at any time. And so the

758
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,000
city clerk should mark that in our

759
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,599
records. What we So in the interim,

760
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,200
council member Ball, if he's listed as

761
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,520
the backup, he would serve uh in the

762
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,359
interim until we appoint a new main

763
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:27,280
representative if you wanted to

764
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,240
agendaize that.

765
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,440
Okay. Council B, you got two more it

766
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,720
looks like. And then it'll be agendaized

767
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,560
in the future for the alternate. Is that

768
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,720
what you're saying?

769
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,040
I think agendaized in the future for the main seat because council member

770
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,599
Ball right Oh,

771
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,200
>> he's already filling in anyways. All

772
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,000
right. I guess

773
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,760
>> whatever the vacant one is, you can

774
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,280
agendaize it and you can move them

775
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,790
around as you

776
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,400
» it is. Yes, Council B.

777
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,000
>> So clarity, I'm not necessarily taking

778
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,599
the lead role. We're going to come back

779
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:58,480
and

780
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,760
>> do it again.

781
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,040
>> But you're filling in because you're

782
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,320
already signed up to fill in.

783
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,200
>> Sounds great.

784
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,520
>> Got it.

785
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,160
>> Correct. City attorney. All right.

786
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,079
>> Yes, that's correct.

787
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:16,950
>> Now, Mr. Stones,

788
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,240
» adus. Good evening, mayor, members of

789
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,000
the council.

790
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,760
Last time the city of Luke amended the

791
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,079
language to uh the city code pertaining

792
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,400
to accessory dwelling units, abbreviated

793
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,560
as ADUs, and junior accessory dwelling

794
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,000
units, JADUs, was in 2023.

795
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,680
Since then, the state has amended the

796
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,520
government code regulations for ADUs

797
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,040
multiple times. In 2024, the city

798
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,960
received communication for California

799
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,040
Department of Housing and Community

800
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,839
Development, HCD, indicating that our

801
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:49,920
ADU ordinance is not in compliance with

802
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,400
the state regulations.

803
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,440
Therefore, staff um has referred to

804
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,599
state regulations um when reviewing the

805
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,240
proposed ADUs. The purpose of these

806
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,960
amendments is to update the city's ADO

807
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,640
ordinance to be compliant with the state

808
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:14,230
code.

809
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,800
Just to summarize some of the amendments

810
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,000
as outlined in your packet.

811
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Uh the amendments uh are changing the

812
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,880
number of ADUs allowed per state code,

813
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,920
clarification regarding ADUs and JADUS,

814
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,400
strikeouts that are not needed any

815
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,400
longer, uh adding a new section

816
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,599
regarding the starter home

817
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,240
revitalization act, and updating code

818
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,349
references.

819
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:40,960
Uh this action is exempt from

820
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,040
environmental review pursuant to public

821
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,589
resources code 211080.17

822
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,720
and that uh concludes oh well the

823
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,040
recommendation would be to introduce uh

824
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,839
by first reading with further reading wave the ordinance that

825
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:03,109
concludes my presentation. Thank you.

826
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,280
guys have any questions for him as

827
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,119
progresses?

828
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:11,270
Councelor Bridge,

829
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,079
» my reading on this was that we are

830
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,800
taking issue with the

831
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,119
uh state on the parking requirements.

832
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,160
>> Yes, that that is yeah one of the items.

833
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,119
Yeah.

834
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,839
>> Has the city attorney weighed in on

835
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:33,910
taking that position?

836
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,720
» Yes. My office has been heavily involved

837
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:37,760
in this.

838
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,960
>> And you feel we can we have a defensible

839
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,920
position?

840
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,720
>> Yes. And um there are other cities as

841
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,960
well that have taken issue with HCD's

842
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,560
interpretation um on this parking issue

843
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,720
and other issues that HCD did not raise

844
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,520
with LMPOK and they are doing the same

845
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,839
and making findings disagreeing with HCD

846
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,680
on certain things.

847
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,400
So just so I have kind of a complete

848
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,960
understanding,

849
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,839
we are basically saying that yes, we

850
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:11,760
understand an ADU doesn't have to have

851
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,680
parking, but if you take the parking out

852
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,000
of service from the primary residence,

853
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,400
that parking requirement still exists.

854
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,119
Is that

855
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,839
>> Well, it it's specific to a JADU. So if

856
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,839
you have an existing garage and they

857
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,319
convert it to a J AU then you have to

858
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:33,280
replace the parking uh so that the

859
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,280
primary residence still has the parking

860
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,079
or the the application doesn't apply to

861
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,280
regular ADUs. So just JDUs you have

862
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,960
parking. Yeah.

863
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,790
>> Okay. Thank you.

864
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,160
» So I'm just curious with the city

865
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,839
attorney. I mean I I'm hearing some

866
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:51,599
confidence about our standing with this

867
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,119
issue.

868
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,119
Obviously things might not go our way.

869
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,200
at some court juncture. I'm not sure how

870
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,640
all that works, but is there a fall

871
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,720
blback back contingency compliance thing

872
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,160
that we need to be concerned with in

873
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,800
terms of if HCD says, "Nope, the rules

874
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,599
are the rules."

875
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,640
>> Yes. Um it is po it's always possible

876
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,599
for any issue for HCD to recommend to

877
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,400
the attorney general that they

878
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,880
come after the city of LMPoke in court

879
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,599
if uh the attorney general believes that

880
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,520
we're doing something that's in

881
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,599
violation of state law. But um HCD wrote

882
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,280
us a letter, I think it was in July

883
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,920
2024, and there were multiple things

884
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,599
that they said our code needed to be

885
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,960
updated on with respect to ADUs.

886
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
And [snorts] we agreed with them on

887
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,800
pretty much all of them except for this

888
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,280
one about the parking. And we are

889
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,839
confident that state law is on our side

890
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,160
on this and that HCD is reaching a

891
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,800
little bit too much with respect to the

892
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,119
their reading of state law on this one

893
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,520
parking ADU issue.

894
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,520
>> Thank you for that clarity. And then it

895
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,240
how soon might we know

896
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,839
which way it goes?

897
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:05,920
>> Well, assuming it gets adopted, I'm

898
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
going to contact HCD uh pretty much

899
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,079
immediately and provide it to them. And

900
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,000
they have a I believe a 60-day review

901
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,560
period.

902
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,240
>> Okay. So in the event that something

903
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,319
doesn't go our way, we have time to make

904
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:19,119
amendments and come into compliance and

905
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,640
>> Yes, they they give us time to fix

906
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,280
things. Yes,

907
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,589
>> appreciate that. Thank you.

908
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:29,839
Any other questions?

909
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:32,880
Did you want to carry on presentation or

910
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,640
>> wrapped up?

911
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,319
Okay,

912
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:37,839
let me open up to public comment and

913
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:40,800
we'll see what's got.

914
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,400
Anybody want to comment on this item?

915
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,000
number nine,

916
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,589
adus.

917
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,440
Anybody on telephone teams?

918
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,839
>> There's no public comment via teams or

919
00:43:57,839 --> 00:43:59,680
audio.

920
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,319
>> All right,

921
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:03,920
we got somebody awake here. come on

922
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,319
down.

923
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:08,000
>> So, I know several of you and some of

924
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,920
you on here are not in favor of the ADUs

925
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,440
because of parking. Um, but that is one

926
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,520
of the key components that make the ADU

927
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,359
and the junior ADUs more affordable is

928
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,640
not having to replace the parking. So,

929
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,560
you are going to impact the

930
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,720
affordability of the ADUs when you

931
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,599
remove um the ability to have a junior

932
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,280
ADU without having to replace the

933
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,319
parking. you in essence will in some

934
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:34,319
instances

935
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:38,000
um structurally prevent an a junior ADU.

936
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,040
Um so those are generally done on a

937
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,680
case-by case basis. There is precedent

938
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,839
though I I agree with the attorneys that

939
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:48,960
some cities have implemented more

940
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,960
restrictive uh uh items within the

941
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,400
ordinance and but ultimately HCD has I

942
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,079
guess the final authority to to

943
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,560
determine that. But they but there are

944
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,400
areas I've seen in Santa Barbara they

945
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,119
have some issues for high fire areas

946
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,040
where there are certain parking

947
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,480
requirements um in in high fire areas.

948
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,880
Uh I just just realize that you're

949
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,680
taking the affordability out of out of

950
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,680
providing a junior ADU when you have to

951
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,079
replace the parking or you're completely

952
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,560
going to restrict it from happening.

953
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,720
Thank you.

954
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:31,589
Anybody who's adus

955
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:32,960
anybody else rise with close public

956
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,119
comment. Anybody got a motion,

957
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:36,319
questions, statements? What do you got?

958
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:37,200
Council ball.

959
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,720
>> So, uh, just real quick, I kind of want

960
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,000
to bring this back just for maybe a

961
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,640
little perspective on the big picture of

962
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,960
things. The the state at some point is

963
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,040
asking us to imagine building a lot of

964
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,280
housing. uh our arena numbers are

965
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,359
somewhat they're not all ADUs for sure,

966
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:55,200
but that plays a component in our

967
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,599
pursuit of more housing. How are we

968
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,480
doing with ADUs up to this point in

969
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,480
terms of

970
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:02,880
>> um

971
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,880
>> both of them, but standalones and the

972
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,640
J80?

973
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,800
>> Um ADUs, I I can't remember off the top

974
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,079
of my head how many we had last year. Um

975
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:13,599
I know it's in the general plan annual

976
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,560
report. Um I don't remember the num

977
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,680
number. I

978
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,520
>> like hundreds or tens or fives.

979
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,200
>> Well, in terms of approval, no, not that

980
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:21,920
high.

981
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,960
>> Um I mean, um I want to in terms of

982
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,880
approvals, probably last year was

983
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,480
probably less than 15.

984
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:30,960
>> Okay.

985
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,000
>> Yeah.

986
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,839
>> Thank you for that. I guess just my own

987
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:37,760
perspective is um I no one's going to

988
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,319
appreciate not having enough parking. I

989
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:41,680
get that that's an issue, but there's a

990
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,359
lot of people struggling to figure out

991
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,640
how to deal with housing. Um, and again,

992
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,760
just putting it out there, if we're

993
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,560
getting 10 or 15 or five or seven ADUs

994
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,720
built every single year, the amount of

995
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,119
people impacted by this parking issue is

996
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,200
pretty small, at least at the moment.

997
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,480
So, again, I I I I think there's uh I

998
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,599
mean, let's wait and see what they say,

999
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,680
but I guess from my perspective, I

1000
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,520
might, you know, whatever we can do to

1001
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,040
make it affordable and actually make it

1002
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,960
happen seems to make more sense for the

1003
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,560
bigger picture of housing and arena

1004
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,839
numbers, all that pursuit.

1005
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,680
you. We're way behind Santa Maria. Santa

1006
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,240
Maria has about 600 or so last year, I

1007
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:18,480
believe.

1008
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,040
>> Yeah, they have a lot.

1009
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,079
>> Yeah, they're they're way ahead of us.

1010
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:21,599
But I think the plan is still by your

1011
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,319
office, right? That has the ADU map

1012
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:24,880
across.

1013
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,640
>> Yeah, that is still being reviewed by

1014
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,560
the building division. I know they have

1015
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,280
some final cleanup items, but we're

1016
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,440
really hoping that can go out.

1017
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,920
>> I meant the map of the city. The ADU

1018
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920
maps of the city is by your office,

1019
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,079
right across from your office. There's

1020
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:41,280
one on the wall there, so

1021
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,520
>> Oh, yes. people can go by the GIS team

1022
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,160
created that. Yeah,

1023
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,520
>> go by. You can see right across from me.

1024
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,119
It'll show you the addresses what's

1025
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:47,839
going on.

1026
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:49,119
>> And I know a lot of people are waiting

1027
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,680
for the pre-approved plans to come up.

1028
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,560
So,

1029
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,440
>> people are on hold waiting for that one.

1030
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,800
All right. Anybody else? Any other

1031
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,960
questions? Anybody want to make a

1032
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,880
motion?

1033
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,510
>> Council Vega, you got a motion?

1034
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,480
» I'll make the motion.

1035
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,800
to accept.

1036
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,319
>> Introduce the first reading with further

1037
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,960
reading waved. Correct.

1038
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,319
>> Yes.

1039
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,800
>> Number one, two, and three.

1040
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,800
Is that good enough? City attorney.

1041
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,200
>> Yes.

1042
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,680
>> All right. We got a first and a second.

1043
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,760
Who made the second on that one?

1044
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,800
>> Starbucks made a second. Let's go ahead

1045
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:35,430
and vote.

1046
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160
And that passes 41. Council me voting

1047
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,599
no. Doesn't like ADUs. Come on. Come on.

1048
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:48,069
All right. Next item.

1049
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,079
Number 10. Public hearing amendments to

1050
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,400
general plan circulation element. Adopts

1051
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,280
a resolution 6837 26 approving the

1052
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,640
general plan circulation element.

1053
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,559
Contract planner. Lori Tamura. Come on

1054
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:01,440
down.

1055
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,400
>> Good evening. Thank you, Mayor Lori

1056
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,800
Tamura. Uh with the planning department.

1057
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Uh we are presenting tonight uh the

1058
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,359
circulation element update. Uh this

1059
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:16,079
document has been uh in the planning

1060
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,760
department now for about two years. Uh

1061
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
it actually was handed off when uh Brian

1062
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,839
Halverson left or took it over. Uh this

1063
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:28,240
uh housing ele or the circulation

1064
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,079
element if we can go to the next slide

1065
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,119
please. Um,

1066
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:39,510
sorry.

1067
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,680
Tonight we're going to just review the

1068
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,079
uh requirements for the general plan,

1069
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,240
present the circulation element update,

1070
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,800
have city council discussion, public

1071
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:54,390
comment, and adopt the resolution.

1072
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,480
Uh, you've seen this presentation a

1073
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,079
couple of times in regards to the

1074
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,000
general plan. It is a guiding uh

1075
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,359
document for the future of the city. It

1076
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:05,920
addresses physical development such as

1077
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,000
uh general location, appropriate mix,

1078
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,319
timing and extent of land uses and

1079
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,160
infrastructure needed to support such

1080
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,640
development. Updates to the general plan

1081
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,800
elements require community engagement

1082
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,920
and review by state and local agencies.

1083
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,520
Uh this is the uh current work program

1084
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,000
for the general plan. Uh we have a

1085
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,480
number of uh items that are being

1086
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,920
updated right now. Uh the circulation

1087
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,520
element which you'll be discussing

1088
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,680
tonight is the last of the elements in

1089
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,240
what we're calling phase one updates to

1090
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:41,280
the general plan. Those um elements

1091
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,079
included the housing element uh

1092
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,640
environmental justice safety element and

1093
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,549
the circulation element.

1094
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,960
Um, the city did a update to the

1095
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,680
environmental document and it included

1096
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,079
an addendum from the 2010 EIR and it

1097
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,880
analyzed all of those four elements and

1098
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,760
that will be the uh document that we'll

1099
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,640
refer to as your you make your motion to

1100
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,200
allow for that document to be certified

1101
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:22,549
and um included in the resolution.

1102
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,400
So the circulation element was

1103
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,040
originally adopted in 2010 as part of

1104
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,800
the 2030 general plan. uh the element

1105
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,079
was required to be updated because of uh

1106
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,119
some changes to state law and adoption

1107
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,400
of the multimodal plan which uh was

1108
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,000
adopted originally in 2022

1109
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,520
and was recently amended in March of uh

1110
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,440
17 uh 2026.

1111
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,319
Additionally, uh the city is working on

1112
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:58,079
an update to the uh safety system

1113
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,119
approach plan and uh that will be coming

1114
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,040
before your city council in the near

1115
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,270
future.

1116
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,760
The circulation element also includes

1117
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,240
updates to the new state laws, updates

1118
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,359
to roadway classifications,

1119
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:18,000
uh additional new information on transit

1120
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,520
programs that are part of the city. uh

1121
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,720
updated goals, policies, and programs

1122
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,880
and uh the new reference to the amended

1123
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,680
uh streetscape multimodal improvement

1124
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,861
plan.

1125
00:52:33,861 --> 00:52:35,119
[clears throat]

1126
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,000
Uh we went through a number of uh

1127
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,040
reviews by the planning commission. Uh

1128
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,720
in July of 2025, the city uh planning

1129
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,079
commission met and had comments. Uh we

1130
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,119
also had uh comments later on in the

1131
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,319
year to the point that uh it was

1132
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:56,400
recommended that we recirculate the

1133
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,359
environmental document and the the uh

1134
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:03,200
general plan. So it went through a hear

1135
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,040
public comment period from September

1136
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,720
17th to October 17th. Uh no additional

1137
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,541
comments were received uh during

1138
00:53:10,541 --> 00:53:15,270
[clears throat] that review period.

1139
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,880
Uh in November of 25 uh we had a

1140
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,520
planning commission meeting. We reviewed

1141
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,760
a number of el uh edits and comments. um

1142
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,520
the uh staff uh brought forward a matrix

1143
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,760
that looked at how each one of the

1144
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,440
changes to the element was addressed and

1145
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,960
who made those uh recommended changes.

1146
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,720
There's also redline version of the

1147
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,559
document along with the clean copy

1148
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,257
provided.

1149
00:53:45,257 --> 00:53:45,839
[clears throat]

1150
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:49,280
Uh that um the planning commission had

1151
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,839
some additional comments. So we uh went

1152
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:55,280
through another review and in May of 25

1153
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,040
or 2006, sorry the slide is wrong. Um we

1154
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,280
um oh I'm sorry, the city council

1155
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,240
decided to remove uh the payment of

1156
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,280
traffic fees and that actually ended up

1157
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,839
implementing or impacting some of the

1158
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:14,160
other policies within the document. So,

1159
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,760
we made the appropriate changes

1160
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,079
throughout the document in regards to

1161
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,359
the fee um amendments that were made.

1162
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:24,000
There were some other items that uh we

1163
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,520
looked at including funding for um road

1164
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,000
projects uh and we talked at the

1165
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,760
planning commission about measure a

1166
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,680
funds, the stip funds, uh CALR funding

1167
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,880
for uh the main roads going through the

1168
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,440
city and potential improvements that

1169
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,359
would be based on future development

1170
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:47,829
projects in and of themselves.

1171
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:51,520
Uh we are um the planning commission

1172
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,760
made a recommendation to approve the

1173
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,599
circulation element at the last meeting.

1174
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,160
Uh there we did comb through all of the

1175
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,839
comments. There were still some

1176
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,640
additional edits that were provided. So

1177
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,760
in your packet you have two versions of

1178
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,119
the uh circulation element. One of them

1179
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,079
includes uh highlighted

1180
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,200
uh areas that um were the changes that

1181
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,880
the city the planning commission

1182
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,920
provided and then there's a clean copy

1183
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,680
uh and that would be part of the

1184
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400
resolution would be the clean copy. If

1185
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,960
there are any additional changes, those

1186
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,480
can be added by your city council at

1187
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,480
this time. And um we look forward to uh

1188
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,160
working with you and um we recommend

1189
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,559
approval of the circulation element as

1190
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,910
presented by the planning commission.

1191
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,960
That's it.

1192
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,470
Any questions?

1193
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,559
Councelor Bridge,

1194
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,480
>> you you guys have done a great job on

1195
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,640
this and I'm going to feel real guilty

1196
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,440
about what I'm going to say next, but

1197
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,680
I'd like to suggest a couple minor

1198
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,520
changes

1199
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,280
um on CIRC 116,

1200
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:17,109
which is on page

1201
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,200
11.

1202
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,230
Um

1203
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,599
I I right now it uh reads uh while

1204
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,280
accommodating the quality of life for

1205
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,079
motorists, the city shall prioritize

1206
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:33,920
pedestrian

1207
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,000
and I'd like to change that to the city

1208
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,799
shall balance pedestrian and bicycle

1209
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,559
access with safety and quality of

1210
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:45,119
service for motorists on minor artif. So

1211
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,440
I'd like to see it. I told you last time

1212
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,280
we were up here, shells get me real

1213
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,440
nervous. So, um I'd like to see the word

1214
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,760
balanced added to that if possible and

1215
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,400
if everybody agrees. And then the other

1216
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,430
one is CIRC 35

1217
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,119
which is on the

1218
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,480
page 16 I believe.

1219
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,359
Um, and I'd like to add the words at the

1220
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:16,240
end of that one that say where feasible

1221
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,720
and after consideration the the impact

1222
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,440
on adjacent commercial uses and the

1223
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,480
availability of alternative parking. So

1224
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,880
right now it says the city shall reserve

1225
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,599
the right to limit on street parking on

1226
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:33,280
certain roadways to proide pursue

1227
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760
we use the word complete

1228
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,319
streets which has I'm understanding a

1229
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,480
unique interpretation

1230
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,240
which most people might not know but

1231
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,799
projects are to create new bicycle lanes

1232
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:47,920
and encourage bicycle travel. So I'd

1233
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,160
like to include the feasibility and what

1234
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,720
it does to the adjacent properties. So,

1235
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,720
I I would like those two changes to be

1236
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,720
implemented. Otherwise, you guys have

1237
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,440
done a great job and I I'm sorry that I

1238
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,549
waited so long.

1239
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,000
» Councelor Bridge, I mean Mo,

1240
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,280
um kind of a big general question. You

1241
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,079
know, we did make big amendments to the

1242
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,839
multimotal plan back in March. So,

1243
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:18,480
obviously that changes things at the

1244
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,400
state level. Uh can you just walk me

1245
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,160
through what you don't have to explain

1246
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,079
what those changes are? I get that. But

1247
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,079
how did that impact this circulation

1248
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,880
element and did it take us closer to an

1249
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,200
edge or it's just fine or it's maybe

1250
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,640
just walk me through some of the impacts

1251
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,240
or um

1252
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,520
>> positive or negative?

1253
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,640
>> Thank you. uh through the uh document

1254
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,079
there were several uh policies that

1255
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:46,480
referred to all of um highway one each

1256
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,400
street being improved to follow the uh

1257
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,200
multimotal plan. So we changed some of

1258
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,720
that wording to note that it's only up

1259
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,680
to uh North Street as you adopted in the

1260
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,160
changes to the multimmoal plant. So,

1261
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,319
wherever there was a reference to all of

1262
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:09,359
H Street being improved um per the

1263
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:12,640
multimmoal plan, it now says up to H uh

1264
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,200
up to um North Street.

1265
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,280
>> So, and just forgive my ignorance. So,

1266
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,119
the circulation plan does that do we

1267
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,040
enter does that entertain the idea of

1268
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,280
not just cars but obviously bicycles and

1269
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,000
pedestrians? Did we change the equation

1270
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,480
of pedestrian safety at all in the

1271
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,799
context of circulation? because I felt

1272
00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:32,720
like some of the arguments for parts of

1273
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,359
the multimodal was really addressing uh

1274
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:36,720
some of the pedestrian issues that

1275
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,400
existed on H Street specifically. There

1276
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,480
are a number of policies in here that

1277
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,839
talk about all modes of transportation

1278
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:50,880
uh cars, buses, bikes and pedestrian and

1279
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,280
um also connectivity between

1280
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,240
neighborhoods so that uh wherever

1281
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,200
there's an opportunity for a pathway to

1282
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,160
be provided from a proposed neighborhood

1283
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,680
that it um allows for both bike and

1284
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,440
pedestrians to make it to the main

1285
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,400
corridors. Uh so there there is a number

1286
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,880
of policies in the document that talk

1287
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,400
about pedestrian uh as um part of the

1288
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,920
equation for transportation.

1289
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,280
>> So do you feel pretty confident from the

1290
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,599
state's perspective that we've covered?

1291
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,920
>> Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Um just one quick

1292
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:24,960
question and again I don't think there's

1293
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,119
an issue. I just was curious why the the

1294
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,880
red line but um 3.7 says the city shall

1295
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,559
require safe and effective connectivity

1296
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,799
for new development projects. Include at

1297
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:36,720
least two access points for fire safety

1298
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,280
access. that's been redlined, replaced

1299
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,520
with when opportunity and funding become

1300
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,440
available, the city should provide safe

1301
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,000
connectivity for existing neighborhoods.

1302
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,839
It sounds like two completely different

1303
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:49,599
things or a little bit different. What

1304
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:50,240
does that mean?

1305
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,160
>> That was probably what that particular

1306
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,040
provision was also discussed in the

1307
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,480
safety element previously. Uh it is

1308
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,520
about how to mandate secondary access

1309
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,799
and how that would be applied to new

1310
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,972
projects and there might be a case

1311
01:01:11,972 --> 01:01:14,480
[clears throat] where there would not be

1312
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,720
uh the ability for a second access but

1313
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,040
they could still have the ability to

1314
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,359
provide an escape route.

1315
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:22,000
>> Okay.

1316
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,119
>> Um but it may not be fully a developed

1317
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,240
road. So the way the policy is written

1318
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,960
gives a little bit more flexibility.

1319
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,200
Even though uh you know fire department

1320
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,839
and other agencies would love to have

1321
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:37,920
the two access points, there may be a

1322
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,240
case where other options need to be

1323
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,040
looked at.

1324
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,599
>> Okay. So in so it's not necessarily

1325
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,599
lowering our standard for safety and

1326
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,920
terms of developments. this is for those

1327
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,359
one or two offs that it doesn't really

1328
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:52,480
>> you know doesn't really provide that

1329
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,400
type of access and that that's

1330
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,640
>> it's a little bit more flexibility okay

1331
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,839
>> to on a case-byase basis the priority

1332
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:02,240
the provision the preference is to have

1333
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,680
two access points

1334
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,119
>> in different directions

1335
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:05,520
>> okay

1336
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,359
>> and I think as um projects come forward

1337
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:12,640
particularly with insurance

1338
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,119
possible issues you're probably going to

1339
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:16,799
see more and more projects having the

1340
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:20,079
two access points, but it was the way it

1341
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:21,760
was written previously was more of a

1342
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,319
mandate and we left it a little um open

1343
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:25,599
for flexibility.

1344
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:27,040
>> Okay. Thank you for that clarity. I

1345
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,240
appreciate it.

1346
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,000
>> Thank you.

1347
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,760
>> I think your discussion was the willows.

1348
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,359
That's one project that has one way in

1349
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:34,319
and out. Correct.

1350
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:34,720
>> Right.

1351
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,799
>> That was your big what do you do?

1352
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:40,079
Anybody else see other questions before

1353
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:44,950
we come up to public comment?

1354
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,359
See none of the others, we will open

1355
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:49,839
this up

1356
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:52,319
to public comment.

1357
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:54,960
General plan circulation element.

1358
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,280
>> Uh Brandon Rich, planning commissioner.

1359
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,359
Um thank you to Greg Lori. The document

1360
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:04,079
has not been easy to work through. Um

1361
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:06,160
the changes the council made in regards

1362
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,040
to the developer improvements. Um I

1363
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,359
would like to comment on that primarily.

1364
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,920
Um, in the last

1365
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,760
month, I think it's at least a month,

1366
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,160
I've had about three developers call

1367
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,520
inquiring about our opportunities

1368
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,599
um, in regards to comparison Santa

1369
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,200
Maria. Um, currently they're looking

1370
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,280
comparative in the uh, industrial zone

1371
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,520
primarily. Um, so they're very happy

1372
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,480
that law folks removed those. Um, in

1373
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,960
regards to

1374
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,079
uh uh Council Member Bridge, the pro

1375
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,640
first comment, not to knock on either of

1376
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,880
you, I believe in one of our primary

1377
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,880
meetings in the count uh planning

1378
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,960
commission, we asked for that item to be

1379
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,920
removed. Um I forget now, but I do

1380
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,720
remember uh as you were discussing

1381
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,880
again, not to throw anybody under the

1382
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,799
bus here. Um and Mr. Ball. Um, council

1383
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:05,039
member Ball, one of the primary issues

1384
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:09,359
with the exiting is we had twofold um,

1385
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:12,400
and it overlaps safety circulation is

1386
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,240
that the county and state have now moved

1387
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,119
in larger flood zones and earthquake

1388
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,839
zones, but the council has also

1389
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:23,440
increased development uh, zones so we

1390
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,160
can develop up onto the hill, which

1391
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,920
requires um some additional structural

1392
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,960
engineering, But as a result of those

1393
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,760
potential developments and current um

1394
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,440
development, we don't have um tertiary

1395
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,359
exits and so we'll never be able to do

1396
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:44,000
that. And so putting these asterisks so

1397
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,880
to say in these elements are critical so

1398
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,119
we can continue to develop up the hill

1399
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,520
as science and technology

1400
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,280
um develops for construction um while

1401
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,559
maintaining our

1402
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,750
community

1403
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,200
um blanket so to say. Um we can't stop

1404
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,359
growing. We can't remove houses. But if

1405
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:09,440
you look at the current safety elements,

1406
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,760
the fire departments and whatnot in the

1407
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,920
county has improved our flood zones

1408
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,480
almost all the way to Megalo school. And

1409
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,480
that would essentially say all new

1410
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,960
development stops, all new safety zone

1411
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,109
stops, all aggieve

1412
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,920
safety elements. And so we have to have

1413
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,039
a balance here between what we do to

1414
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,960
develop and what we attack to develop.

1415
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,480
And um in that there's a lot of cycle

1416
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,280
that goes through as Lori can attest to

1417
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,240
that um sometimes mandated 10 years

1418
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,799
back, 20, 15 years back. And most of

1419
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:48,960
those studies as we're developing them

1420
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,280
are absolutely

1421
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:56,960
um uncredible. They're not accurate. So

1422
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,160
we had our previous mayor here um

1423
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,079
complain to all of our council members.

1424
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,720
Most of the votes she made in the 90s

1425
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,280
don't hold any water today.

1426
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,440
They're false. They're inaccurate and

1427
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,480
they stop a thousand% development or

1428
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,680
lack of. So, we have to look at history

1429
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,160
and how it repeats ourselves in through

1430
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,400
this process of a 2030 to 2050 cycle

1431
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,559
because the council members have done

1432
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,319
something that no other council has

1433
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:28,559
done, no other person in this city has

1434
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:33,200
done. They look further out than anybody

1435
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,960
has even designed to look.

1436
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,480
>> You're you're three minute You're three

1437
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:45,270
minutes up, my friend. Okay.

1438
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,920
» Nick Gonzalez, resident lump. Yeah, I

1439
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,920
attended many of the meetings. It was a

1440
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,160
grueling task. I have to commend staff

1441
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,520
for being patient with all those

1442
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,160
community members that were just on

1443
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,039
them, writing them. Um, and as I've

1444
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,200
always stated, I'm going to sing the

1445
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,240
same song. As much as you can change

1446
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,640
shalls to shoulds, you should. And the

1447
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,039
reason is that those are the basis in

1448
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:14,160
the past for litigation.

1449
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,520
We've been litigated in the past because

1450
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,160
that hard shell was not met. And you'll

1451
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,880
see that with in circulation as it rolls

1452
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,799
over to green gas emissions, you'll see

1453
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,920
that and when you're developing your

1454
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,480
other um expansions, if we eventually

1455
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,000
get the expansions and so I I believe it

1456
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,680
was really important. Now, forgive me

1457
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,039
because I didn't look at the latest

1458
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,240
draft, but I've also been speaking

1459
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,079
significantly about the um expansion for

1460
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:50,880
the base. And so my concern, I've heard

1461
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,119
several of you talk about interacting

1462
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,160
with SB KAG. I've heard that that

1463
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,520
message has now resonated on a county

1464
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,079
level where we need to be. So I just

1465
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,559
want to be assured as a resident that we

1466
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,000
are taking those impacts

1467
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,079
into consideration for our our

1468
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,960
circulation element and if not if that's

1469
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,359
something that will be re-evaluated and

1470
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:17,600
included because that is something I

1471
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,679
could see as a potential you know bump

1472
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,839
in the road down the line when suddenly

1473
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:24,080
we want to

1474
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,440
maybe annex or do a project and that

1475
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:29,679
circulation element those numbers are

1476
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:30,880
not going to be there. they're going to

1477
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,120
go over thresholds of significance and

1478
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,560
trigger something else. So again, we

1479
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,040
really need to take in consideration

1480
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,560
those potential impacts, but staff in in

1481
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,400
my opinion and our consultant did a

1482
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:45,920
really good job of listening to the

1483
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,480
public and going through changes and it

1484
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:52,080
was page by page by page by page. And so

1485
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,159
uh I'm very happy with what I see here

1486
01:08:54,159 --> 01:09:04,630
today. Thank you.

1487
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,239
Carl Jones. Um, question.

1488
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,679
The older communities within this city,

1489
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:13,679
do we have any plans of looking at

1490
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:15,600
upgrading,

1491
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,239
you know, bringing the roads and lack

1492
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,799
thereof, sidewalks,

1493
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:22,480
you know,

1494
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,839
into these plans in the future? I mean,

1495
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,359
everybody talks about new construction.

1496
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:28,640
What about the old construction? What

1497
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,679
about these homes that were built in

1498
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:32,400
1958 that have no sidewalks in front of

1499
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,759
them? Then you get a bunch of cars

1500
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:34,960
parked on there and you got no choice

1501
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,000
but your kids are running down the

1502
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,319
middle of the street cuz the city didn't

1503
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,759
put sidewalks in. At what point do we

1504
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:43,600
put into the plan go ahead and upgrade

1505
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,319
too for the the safety of the public? I could think of multiple

1506
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,759
roads within this city that leads to the

1507
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:54,159
main thorough ways. Yeah, there's a

1508
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:56,080
sidewalk on the main ones, but to get to

1509
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,719
them, you got to go through multiple

1510
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:00,960
blocks where there's no choice but to

1511
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,239
walk in the middle of the road. And some

1512
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,880
of them roads have got speed limits of

1513
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,520
past 35 mph,

1514
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,719
40 mph, people speeding, and you have no

1515
01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:11,920
choice but to walk down the middle of

1516
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,840
the road because the cars are parked on

1517
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,760
the side of the road. So, you either

1518
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,320
have to walk in somebody's uneven grass

1519
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,080
or middle of the road. So in all these

1520
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,159
plans, do we also think about the

1521
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,440
upgrade of the infrastructure of the

1522
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,800
older homes? Just curious, has anybody

1523
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,910
even thought about that? Thank you.

1524
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,480
Anybody else?

1525
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,480
So quick answer, safe routes to schools

1526
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,800
that every two years, Mr. Jilling.

1527
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,320
>> Generally, the active transportation

1528
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,560
program has a cycle every couple years.

1529
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,800
Yeah, we we have for the last 20 years

1530
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,040
gotten quite a few sidewalk infill

1531
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,880
grants through those programs. We've put

1532
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,199
in a lot of miles of sidewalk so far and

1533
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,040
we're we'll continue to work on that.

1534
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,880
So, every two years they keep doing what

1535
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,800
they can do with the money we got coming

1536
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,120
through. So, it does does happen.

1537
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,280
Anybody else? Anybody on delaying a

1538
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,199
little bit while we see what's going on

1539
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:14,320
with our phone and our teams thing here?

1540
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,400
>> There's no public comment via Teams or

1541
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,239
audio. Okay, there we go. Anybody else

1542
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,880
rising for this item? Seeing nobody else

1543
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,840
want to comment on circulation element.

1544
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,360
Bring back to the council.

1545
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,880
Cer Bridge. I make a motion we approve

1546
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,880
staff's recommendation with the two

1547
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:41,910
changes that I recommended.

1548
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,159
» Motion by Bridge, second by Starbucks.

1549
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,239
Any deliberations? You guys go ahead and

1550
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:47,360
vote.

1551
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:55,910
Vote it away.

1552
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,719
Passes 5.

1553
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,880
You guys got those corrections? Yep.

1554
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:01,520
We're good.

1555
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:02,000
>> Yes.

1556
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,840
>> Everybody's good.

1557
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,840
>> All right. Thank you.

1558
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,390
>> A long one for that one. Yeah.

1559
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,640
Could you have something to say here?

1560
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,470
I'm sorry.

1561
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:18,239
Public hearing on a proposed adoption of

1562
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,520
resolution number 683826 modifying

1563
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,679
wastewater winter averaging circulation

1564
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:25,920
method for calculating wastewater

1565
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:41,990
charges in accordance with prop 218.

1566
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,400
Good evening, m mayor, council members.

1567
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,880
I'm Bob Cross bringing back this item

1568
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,520
back. It was originally presented on

1569
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,239
April 21st, 2026.

1570
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:53,280
>> Mic up just a little bit.

1571
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,600
>> Yeah. Raise the raise the thing. The

1572
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:06,310
podium will better.

1573
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,120
» That's down.

1574
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,120
>> Yeah, it was.

1575
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:09,520
>> Thank you.

1576
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,960
>> All right. That better. Okay. Thank you.

1577
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,280
So, this was originally presented on

1578
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,480
April 21st, 2026.

1579
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,400
Staff was directed to bring it back,

1580
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,600
send out notices for a public hearing to

1581
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,719
dated July 21st. So, I'll give some

1582
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:28,239
background.

1583
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:30,880
So with winter averaging for wastewater

1584
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,760
usage, we use the city used to calculate

1585
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,800
a six-year winter average dropping the

1586
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,280
highest and lowest years with the

1587
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,880
conversion to our new finance system.

1588
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,080
The system does not allow for that. So

1589
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,880
we switched to a 4-year average but have

1590
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:54,000
been doing it manually since 2021.

1591
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,600
So we're presenting a new method this

1592
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,920
year which which the system allows

1593
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:08,239
to um use the current year average only.

1594
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:12,320
So if we read the meter between for we

1595
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,960
either use January, February, March or

1596
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,239
March, February, April depending on what

1597
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,000
part of the month we read it. But the

1598
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,440
goal is to get the water usage for the

1599
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:27,840
winter months which because with no with

1600
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,920
less irrigation going on during those

1601
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,560
months most of the water's going through

1602
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,520
the sewer system. So it's a way of

1603
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,840
determining again the the the impact on

1604
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,880
the sewer for each customer.

1605
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,229
So

1606
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,920
um we do have a number of fixed costs in

1607
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,560
the system. So we've had we've

1608
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,880
maintained a minimum of five units that

1609
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,360
applies to all customers and that would

1610
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,239
be maintained. And for customers that

1611
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,560
don't have a three-month winter average,

1612
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,120
if they weren't don't move in until

1613
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,520
March, for instance, we would use the

1614
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,199
current average for like for

1615
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:13,120
residential, the current residential

1616
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:18,400
average is seven units. So we for new customers, they would be built at

1617
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,120
seven units their first year and then

1618
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,640
the following year, we would look at

1619
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,360
their winter average. If there are leaks

1620
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,000
during those months, if they report them

1621
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,960
to the city, we will adjust their water

1622
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,080
usage for those months down to their

1623
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,320
anticipated usage, so they're not

1624
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,800
penalized for leaks for the full year.

1625
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,480
Good. Um, so this isn't changing the

1626
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:48,400
rates per unit charge. We're still those

1627
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,280
have stayed in place since 2017. It's

1628
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,480
still $9.28 28 for residential, $1245

1629
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:59,920
for commercial, and 1309 for industrial.

1630
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,080
And industrial customers have always bu

1631
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,000
been build based on their 12-month

1632
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,440
average as opposed to the winter

1633
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:09,679
average. And that will continue.

1634
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:12,880
So in this example, and the first line

1635
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,199
is a typo. changed this a few times, but

1636
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:16,880
if the customer is currently being built

1637
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,880
for nine units, not 16, their sewer bill

1638
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:25,040
would be 9* 928, which is 8352 per

1639
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,840
month. If their winter reads for

1640
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,400
January, February, March for 5, 7, and

1641
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,560
six units, their winter average would

1642
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,960
drop to six units. So, their sewer

1643
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,920
charge for the next month from July

1644
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,120
through the following June would be 5568

1645
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:46,800
per month. That's how we calculate those averages.

1646
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:56,320
So the recommendation here tonight is to adopt the resolution to begin

1647
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,719
calculating the winter average based on

1648
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:02,159
the new method or alternatively to

1649
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:04,880
continue with the current. A few notes

1650
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,080
we re there out of 11,12

1651
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,199
parcels we just received tonight. we

1652
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,840
received the 18th protest.

1653
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,640
Um, so if there were more than 50% of

1654
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,719
parcels protesting, we you must deny any

1655
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:23,520
change because of Prop 218.

1656
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,760
Um, I want to say a couple um benefits

1657
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,440
to the customers. We've done some

1658
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:31,040
sampling, some studies found 63% of

1659
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,360
customers, residential customers would

1660
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,159
either have no change or their usage

1661
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:39,280
would decrease. About 40% would be about

1662
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,360
the same. 23% would decrease and about

1663
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:48,320
27 well I think 10% go up one unit and

1664
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,440
27% go up by more than one unit but um

1665
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:56,159
again those are customers they h it they

1666
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,480
haven't been changed in in a couple

1667
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,440
years they have lower years dropping off

1668
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:04,640
um so benefits to the other benefits to

1669
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,159
customers is it's easier to understand

1670
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:09,840
for customers instead of having to

1671
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,600
four-year average, they're just looking

1672
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,080
at their one-year average and changes in

1673
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,560
their usage are reflected sooner.

1674
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,159
Essentially, if they have a lower

1675
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,239
winter, they don't have to wait four

1676
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:24,000
years to realize that um benefits to the

1677
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,480
city. It's easier method to explain to

1678
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:30,159
customers. It is an automated process as

1679
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,800
opposed to the current manual process

1680
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,560
and it's less chance for errors in

1681
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,159
making calculations and bill

1682
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:37,679
adjustments.

1683
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:41,199
Um, so anyway, that's that's the

1684
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:42,960
recommendation and I'm available for

1685
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,239
questions.

1686
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,960
>> So simple clarification, it's not a

1687
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,360
increase. It's more of an accurate

1688
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,000
reading of what's going on.

1689
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,560
>> Correct. It's a it's a different way of

1690
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,560
cons calculating the consumption. The

1691
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,239
rates are staying the same.

1692
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,719
>> So if you had uh

1693
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:03,120
say a a roommate that was using a lot of

1694
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,920
water, then it it would reflect. though

1695
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,000
when your new uh when the person moved

1696
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,400
out as opposed to waiting for multiple

1697
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,280
years for it to to even out and likewise

1698
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:14,480
the other way if you're actually using

1699
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,920
more it'll reflect it more

1700
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:18,880
faster. So

1701
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:19,920
>> y

1702
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,239
>> uh council member ball

1703
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,000
>> yeah I just had a couple quick questions

1704
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,679
and um let me know uh if you can help me

1705
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:30,159
with this. So uh I think on the fiscal

1706
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,440
impact on the staff report said uh 40%

1707
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:36,400
will see an increase uh 24% will see a

1708
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,360
decrease and 36% see no charge. I think

1709
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,440
you gave us more detail into that

1710
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,560
>> but out of that 100% who's is going up

1711
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:45,920
and who's going down.

1712
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:46,239
>> So

1713
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:47,679
>> demographically speaking

1714
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:50,320
>> the average I I looked at the mediums

1715
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,600
because the averages are a little

1716
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,320
misleading. Um we have a lot of well not

1717
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,400
a lot. We have apartment complexes who

1718
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,120
count as one customer even though they

1719
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,320
may have 200 apartments in those. So we

1720
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,239
were finding that that skewed the

1721
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:07,679
averages. Um so we we look at just the

1722
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,760
you sorting them lowest to highest

1723
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,280
changes. The median zero and we've got

1724
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,520
21% decrease and 42% are no change. So

1725
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,520
six again 63% are not increasing.

1726
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,719
Essentially the one a lot of you 10% are

1727
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:28,320
going up one unit and then you customers

1728
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,120
some of them newer c newer customers

1729
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,760
last year started at seven but now they

1730
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,280
have a winter average where they've been

1731
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,920
using 10 to 15 units a month. So those

1732
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,400
will be increasing to reflect their

1733
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,159
actual usage.

1734
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,400
>> So again I'm not just devil's in the

1735
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,440
details. So for that 25% 23% that's

1736
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:49,280
going up

1737
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,280
does is that apartment complexes or

1738
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,600
individuals? Is that lower income? Is

1739
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,360
that median? Do we have any idea about

1740
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,320
that? We just

1741
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,120
>> we don't it could be it could be both.

1742
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,960
It could be apartment complexes. It

1743
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,760
could be um low income. We don't we

1744
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,280
don't track you you customers based on

1745
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,000
you know seniors or low income or Okay.

1746
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,080
So I'm not I don't have that data. So

1747
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,679
most most people aren't going to see a

1748
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:15,280
change, but some somebody will,

1749
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:15,679
>> right?

1750
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,679
>> About 27%.

1751
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:20,480
>> And then the last one, it's uh the

1752
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,520
question I had was just on the

1753
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,360
commercial. So it says the average, you

1754
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,360
know, go up for those that residential

1755
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,679
counts, they're going to see an increase

1756
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,840
in about 10 bucks for those that go up,

1757
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,440
but on commercial, it says that's going

1758
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,960
to be an additional $102 a month. Can

1759
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,360
you talk to me about maybe scared

1760
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,600
commercial businesses? Is it if they're

1761
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,679
renting? Who's getting that bill? Cuz

1762
01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:43,440
that's another hundred bucks a month in

1763
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:47,360
cost or overhead for what what uh what

1764
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,199
makes up commercial. Here

1765
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:51,040
>> there are a lot of different I mean

1766
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,880
types of commercial. Hotels are

1767
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,639
commercial. Um laundroies are goingies

1768
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:58,639
they're already high but some if they

1769
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,400
have you know lower months during there

1770
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,120
that they'll go down. They're they have

1771
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,800
wider swings.

1772
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,480
do typically. Um, a lot but a lot of the

1773
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:12,000
commercials are smaller smaller

1774
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,920
increases. They're just a few that pull

1775
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,520
it up and down.

1776
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,440
>> So, a lot of the smaller businesses if

1777
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:18,639
they're not necessarily going to see the

1778
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:20,639
100 to a month, that might be a bigger

1779
01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:22,639
operation, hotel or laundry or

1780
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:23,040
something,

1781
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,199
>> right? Those are typically seeing, you

1782
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:29,440
know, a few units increase possibly. Um,

1783
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:30,960
>> thank you for clarifying. I didn't want

1784
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,480
to go out there and tell everyone their

1785
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:33,760
bill's going to go through the roof if

1786
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,760
it's only going to apply to a few

1787
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,199
people. So, thank you for clarifying

1788
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:39,120
that.

1789
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,480
>> I think it was also because in the

1790
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,239
commercial component, you're averaging

1791
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:44,480
vacancies because in many cases, you

1792
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,000
have the vacancy component that's in

1793
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,400
there over the six years. If a

1794
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,760
building's been empty for a couple

1795
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,920
years, then it completely skewed it

1796
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,120
where now you're lining up more

1797
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,800
directly. So, that was kind of one of

1798
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,560
the discussions we had earlier about

1799
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,199
that. Right.

1800
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:59,840
>> Right. So by doing this you take out of

1801
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,880
that variable of vacancy

1802
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,600
bridge

1803
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,440
could you go back to the slide that has

1804
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,080
the multiple units no minimum seven or

1805
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:15,990
five I believe it was

1806
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:20,149
» I think it might be before that

1807
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:21,120
» this one

1808
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,080
>> yeah I'm a dummy I don't get that first

1809
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,159
bullet what what does that mean

1810
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:30,080
>> so We everyone is built a minimum of

1811
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,199
five units um regardless of what their

1812
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:36,560
water usage is. That it that goes to

1813
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,440
cover the infrastructure of the system

1814
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,320
being connected to the system you know

1815
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,520
um the billing process. There's a lot of

1816
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,040
there not a lot but there are fixed

1817
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,840
costs that go into providing the first

1818
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,080
unit essentially. So that five unit is

1819
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,840
covers those fixed costs

1820
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,600
>> and is that a change?

1821
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,080
>> No, that has been in place.

1822
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,719
>> Thank you very much.

1823
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:05,440
>> Casan

1824
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:09,910
Bob, what can you tell us? Um

1825
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,480
the you said you don't track it by lower

1826
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,679
income or fixed income. So, what do we

1827
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:18,159
tell our constituents

1828
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:21,520
um what to expect people on fixed income

1829
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,440
that you guys don't have them in as a

1830
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,560
factor or how how would we respond to

1831
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:34,159
someone like that? Because uh your your numbers are based on something else

1832
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:36,719
other than people. So, maybe you could

1833
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:38,560
tell us how we can tell them what the

1834
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,199
benefit is to them.

1835
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:44,960
Well, I think um they they need to look

1836
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,120
at their water usage. If their water use

1837
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,000
if their water portion of their bill is

1838
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,639
not high, they should be fine. If their

1839
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,280
water usage is significant,

1840
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,520
then they're they could see an increase.

1841
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,520
But a lot of you fixed income people,

1842
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:00,960
they don't have kids living in the

1843
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,239
house. Hope possibly they use less

1844
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:08,159
water. So, I would I would think they're

1845
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:11,360
probably not going to see as high of an

1846
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,280
increase, but again, they need to look

1847
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:14,400
at their water bill.

1848
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:15,840
>> But, you know, if you were selling this

1849
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,480
to someone, that presentation is kind of

1850
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,639
poor. Okay? If I had to sell it to my

1851
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:22,159
constituents, so that's why I'm asking

1852
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:23,440
that question. I understand you're in

1853
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,600
the finance area. But if I had to tell

1854
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,600
someone, hey, the reason we did this was

1855
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,840
because they told us it was better or

1856
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,800
worse or it covers vacancies or it's

1857
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,280
easier or it's an upgrade or more

1858
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,679
modernized. I' I'd like a better answer.

1859
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:39,679
You know what I mean? It'd be uh why

1860
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:42,239
would we tell them the reason we voted

1861
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:45,520
for it? Because you recommend it or

1862
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,199
maybe you can give me a better answer. I

1863
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:48,560
don't know.

1864
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,400
Well, I think that they are able to

1865
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,400
impact their rate faster.

1866
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,880
I think if they they use less water as

1867
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,120
it is now, it's going to be four years

1868
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,320
before they see a change. So now if they

1869
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,840
use less water, they're going to see

1870
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,840
that change, you know, than the

1871
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,560
following year. So, it it's I think that

1872
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,800
doing a one-year average, it's a lot

1873
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,560
easier to make an impact on your bill

1874
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,320
faster.

1875
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,760
I got you. And I appreciate your

1876
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,199
answers. I'm just uh if someone asks me,

1877
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:28,880
I'd like to have a better answer to tell

1878
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,400
them why I went and voted for it or not.

1879
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,400
But thank you,

1880
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:35,679
>> Council Member B.

1881
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:38,080
>> So, just throwing it out there. Forgive

1882
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,480
my ignorance on any of this, but um so

1883
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:41,840
last time we did any sort of rate

1884
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,239
adjustments was in 2017.

1885
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:46,400
This is obviously going to make up some

1886
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,239
gap that you see that we need to make

1887
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:50,480
sure that we're covering. It sounds like

1888
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,159
there's a rate study coming back next

1889
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:54,480
year.

1890
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:57,440
Why wouldn't we look at this issue under

1891
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:59,920
that umbrella and maybe find a more

1892
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:02,800
equitable way to spread this cost? So

1893
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,440
we'll be able to have more data using

1894
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,360
this method if we when we bring that

1895
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:11,280
back in in this winter for next year.

1896
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,199
We'll have more data. We'll be able to

1897
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:14,639
look at whether we need to make

1898
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:17,679
adjustments or not. uh we'll be able to

1899
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:20,800
have a better idea of better predicting

1900
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,199
what our revenue is going to be under

1901
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:25,520
this method as opposed to looking at

1902
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,280
what year is going to drop off, what

1903
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,080
year, you know, what um how many

1904
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,840
customers there were four years ago

1905
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,639
compared to now. It's going to be give

1906
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:36,960
us more reliable information for when we

1907
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,120
bring that rate study back. and maybe we

1908
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,960
will need to do um format them a little

1909
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,520
differently, but it'll give us better

1910
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,520
information for when we do.

1911
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:48,960
>> So, and again, just playing devil's

1912
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,199
advocate, the cost of that extra data,

1913
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:54,000
that additional information is three4s

1914
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,760
of folks aren't going to see any change,

1915
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,920
but a quarter of folks commercial or

1916
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,360
residential are going to have to pay

1917
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,320
more before we get a rate study to see

1918
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:03,440
like how much we actually have to

1919
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:07,600
adjust. Just throwing it out there.

1920
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,430
Councor Bridge.

1921
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:13,600
» Well, I would just like to comment

1922
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,719
because it gets lost in the noise.

1923
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:22,080
Um, the easiest way to impact this is to

1924
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,480
turn your sprinklers off in the winter.

1925
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:27,120
It's what it's designed for. That's why

1926
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,719
you pick those dates because that's

1927
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:30,719
non-conumptive.

1928
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:33,840
And um so I know I've talked to lots of

1929
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,159
people in the city and

1930
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:38,000
even though it's been known forever that

1931
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,920
that's where it's coming from, uh it

1932
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,719
gets lost. So I just would say one more

1933
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:44,320
time, turn your sprinklers off in the

1934
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,920
winter and you will lower your sewer

1935
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,239
bill next year.

1936
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,080
>> And I would like to add back to your

1937
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,199
comment um for customers, the 27% who

1938
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,199
are seeing an increase would have seen

1939
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:57,920
an increase under the old method also.

1940
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,840
It just may have been a smaller

1941
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,120
increase, but they would have seen an

1942
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,120
increase because probably if the

1943
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,760
four-year average number dropped off,

1944
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,080
their in higher number came on, they

1945
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:13,350
would have seen an increase. But

1946
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,480
» yeah, councel,

1947
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:15,920
>> so you make a great point and that's why

1948
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,520
we pay you the big bucks to be the smart

1949
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,360
math guy. So, thank you. I think that's

1950
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,679
very clear. Um, I I just found it

1951
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:24,080
somewhat comical because I I'm I mean it

1952
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,600
makes sense, you know, turn off your

1953
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,080
sprinklers, use less water, bill goes

1954
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,719
down and and then mayor has been telling

1955
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:33,199
us to flush the toilet as often as we

1956
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:35,600
can and take more showers. I guess what

1957
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,480
I'm getting to is pushing for less water

1958
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:42,239
usage to see people's bill stay stable,

1959
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,000
but we're facing issues of not having

1960
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,159
enough revenue coming in for this

1961
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:47,600
utility. And that's why I keep going

1962
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,280
back to this rate study and what we

1963
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,960
probably have to do next year.

1964
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,639
>> Yeah, this is just for the winter

1965
01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:55,440
months, but yes. But yeah,

1966
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:57,360
>> thank you.

1967
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,800
>> Yeah, you're right. I am trying to sell

1968
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,719
more water because we need more money at

1969
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:02,480
the plant. We're either going to make

1970
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,800
more money by selling more water or

1971
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,360
raise the rates. So, take your pick, get

1972
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,440
something out of it because it costs a

1973
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:10,639
certain amount of money to run the

1974
01:30:10,639 --> 01:30:12,719
facility. So, people have been

1975
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:15,520
conserving so much actually getting

1976
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,639
short money. So

1977
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:21,120
correct. Anybody else? We'll go to

1978
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,239
public comment on this item.

1979
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:26,800
Somebody else go public comment item

1980
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,040
number 11.

1981
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,719
So

1982
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:32,560
I was not going to speak on this, but

1983
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,239
listening to these conversations, it's

1984
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:36,639
kind of disgusting. And I cannot say I

1985
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:37,679
can't believe that I'm going to agree

1986
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:40,320
with Vega. Like great job, Vega. Like

1987
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,719
you are thinking of the people. Mr. Do

1988
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:44,000
you know what type of people live here

1989
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,080
in the city?

1990
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,440
Do you know like it's not

1991
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:53,840
so multifamily like homes, right?

1992
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,679
Immigrants, farm workers, low income.

1993
01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:58,960
Those are the people that are going to

1994
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,840
be affected. So, thank you Vega for

1995
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,280
bringing that up. But you know that is

1996
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,520
save water, turn off your sprinklers.

1997
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,400
What the are you serious? We're talking

1998
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:16,719
about people money like food is

1999
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:18,880
the cost of food is higher. People are

2000
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,920
paying more. Your president is putting

2001
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,239
tariffs on everything. Like let's come

2002
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:25,760
on. Let's think about this. We're

2003
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,920
talking about people. You're going to

2004
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,800
charge more for water when they are

2005
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,000
already paying more for everything.

2006
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,159
Let's think about it. Come up with a

2007
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:39,040
different type of like I don't know. But

2008
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:45,830
uh thank you Vega.

2009
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,520
Again, this isn't raising the rate. This

2010
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,360
is modifying the way they calculate it.

2011
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,199
Instead of a five-year averaging,

2012
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,040
there's a one-year averaging. Rate is

2013
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,159
not being raised.

2014
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:02,080
>> It's too tall. Now, um Diana Diaz again.

2015
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:07,040
Hi. I'm not sure I understand this plan

2016
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:11,679
as a water consumer and I'm a very low

2017
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:14,639
water consumer. If I'm understanding

2018
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:17,679
correctly, it seems like the base

2019
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:19,199
minimum

2020
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,400
water that I'm going to be charged

2021
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:28,159
is five units whether or not I use them.

2022
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:32,000
So then I should use more

2023
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,400
or something crazy like that. That's

2024
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,280
like punishing

2025
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:41,040
people who took to heart our drought

2026
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,960
issues and use less and as less as

2027
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,639
possible. I planted a native California

2028
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:51,360
plant garden that we barely water and

2029
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,760
barely have to water so that we can

2030
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,760
conserve for the greater good. And now

2031
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,639
I'm hearing basically we're going to be

2032
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:03,440
punished for that.

2033
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:08,080
Is that what I'm hearing right? Like is

2034
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,280
it's really confusing and it doesn't

2035
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:20,310
sound good.

2036
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,920
» Carl Jones. I actually remember this

2037
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,600
way back in April. the whole

2038
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,120
conversation about it, the five units,

2039
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,199
this that and the other thing. So, yeah.

2040
01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:30,800
Um,

2041
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,480
I want some clarification on the

2042
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:35,199
customer class. Is that based on house

2043
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:38,400
size, bedrooms,

2044
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,000
or is this based off the number of

2045
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,800
people inside of a house? Because if I'm

2046
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,600
a single guy that moves into a 2500 foot

2047
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,719
home has got five bedrooms in it, and

2048
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:50,960
you're going to base me off a house, a

2049
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,360
class size, but I use less water than if

2050
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,040
it's a full house.

2051
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:56,480
So that one there is just a little

2052
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:57,840
confused. I like a little clarification

2053
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,880
on on the customer class size is what's

2054
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,960
this based the customer class? I

2055
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,159
understand you said it was going to be a

2056
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:07,600
minimum of seven units, you know, and

2057
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,960
but that one there just kind of confused

2058
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,880
me. It's like it was multiple two

2059
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,360
different types of information there.

2060
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:14,960
What is a what is a customer class? Is

2061
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,600
it a one-bedroom apartment compared to a

2062
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,760
five-bedroom home? And was that

2063
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,600
five-bedroom home full of people? and I

2064
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,440
happen to be just to decide I want to

2065
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:25,040
have a big giant house. I move in and

2066
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:26,320
then I'm going to get charged for the

2067
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,840
same amount as a full house or

2068
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,840
that that got me. So now I got to wait

2069
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,480
till January through March to prove that

2070
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:36,560
I only use a tiny bit of water and then

2071
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,000
they average out. I understand that

2072
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,000
portion is actually pretty cool because

2073
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,960
winter time you do use less less water

2074
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,679
and that three-month average over time

2075
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:48,320
is better than running through, you

2076
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,000
know, a real hot year and you're

2077
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,280
drinking water every time you turn

2078
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,120
around. Then then that's based in your

2079
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,120
average. But I would really like some

2080
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,560
clarification. What is the customer

2081
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,560
class size? What's this? What does that

2082
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:08,870
particularly mean? Thank you.

2083
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,120
Gonzalez resolo, you're getting more and

2084
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,960
more creative on how to get a minimum

2085
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,000
amount of money out of the people. So,

2086
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,120
you know, you had the the trash and you

2087
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,280
took it from the tenants and you gave it

2088
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:22,639
to the landlords and you had an

2089
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:26,400
increase. And so then most landlords

2090
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,000
just passed that to the people. You used

2091
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,239
to not have a meter fixed meter charge.

2092
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,719
Now you have a fixed meter charge. Now

2093
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:37,840
you're having a fixed unit charge. I

2094
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,760
used to joke

2095
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,679
5 6 7 8 9 years ago that eventually that

2096
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:46,320
for many of our seniors that their

2097
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,719
utilities would eventually be almost as

2098
01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:51,440
much as their mortgage.

2099
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:54,960
And uh we slowly but surely are moving

2100
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:59,750
that direction. Um

2101
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,440
it's it's a challenge for a lot of

2102
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:04,719
people. You're all aware well aware of

2103
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:07,600
our social e economic makeup in this

2104
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:11,120
community. Um,

2105
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,880
so we we I am more in favor of a more

2106
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,920
equitable of of actually paying for how

2107
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,840
you use

2108
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,280
and I as an individual and also as

2109
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,239
someone who has lots of of of tenants

2110
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:28,000
and who speak with the tenants. I think

2111
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,440
it would be a more equitable situation

2112
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,040
where you actually pay for you use and

2113
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,600
you find a payment system across all

2114
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,679
your utilities, not this just particular

2115
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:40,400
utility that actually charges you for

2116
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:45,199
what you use. Um, I can tell you there's

2117
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:48,159
places where we have one person in a

2118
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:49,679
onebedroom and there's places where

2119
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:51,520
there's five people in a onebedroom.

2120
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,600
That's just the facts of the economics

2121
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,760
of some people. Um, but to be charged

2122
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:02,362
the same for different usages

2123
01:37:02,362 --> 01:37:03,280
[clears throat] doesn't seem quite

2124
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,920
right. So, I will say again, the people

2125
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,119
will allow this, but eventually the

2126
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:15,750
people will not. Thank you.

2127
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:20,629
Anybody else?

2128
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:22,159
This was something that I wasn't going

2129
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:23,600
to speak on because I don't really know

2130
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,560
much about the issue, but it really

2131
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,239
seems like we're missing the mark here.

2132
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:30,560
I don't understand it. This is one of

2133
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,800
the things that our community agrees

2134
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,719
upon is that we have people in our

2135
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:40,639
community that don't have socioeconomic

2136
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:44,480
means to be able to afford uh higher

2137
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:46,880
cost for things. I think that we need to

2138
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:48,960
recalculate. is just not a good plan,

2139
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,159
right? We can't treat this city like a

2140
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:53,679
business because that's not going to

2141
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:56,000
work when we have people from all

2142
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,679
different social backgrounds. I think we

2143
01:37:57,679 --> 01:38:02,950
really need to reexamine.

2144
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,520
Anybody else?

2145
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,520
Anybody on the phone? Teams,

2146
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,520
>> there's nobody

2147
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,600
>> there is no public comment via teams or

2148
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,520
audio. Right.

2149
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,119
Seeing that we will close public

2150
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:19,360
comment. Council member Bull.

2151
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,679
>> No, I was just going to say that the um

2152
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:24,000
and again, Bob, I apologize because I

2153
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,119
think there's a lot of intelligent uh

2154
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,920
things in this move can set us up, give

2155
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:31,920
us a lot of data, help us, some people

2156
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,679
are going to save. I guess the thing

2157
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:36,080
that I'm missing and I'm sorry to put it

2158
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,000
back on this but when we say fiscal

2159
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,239
impact we usually think about like are

2160
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:41,920
we going to break even or how's it going

2161
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,400
to shake out but even though it's a

2162
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,679
small cost potentially I don't get a

2163
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:52,000
sense of is that 23% made up of fixed

2164
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,760
income people and you know seniors or

2165
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,760
people you know that just don't have the

2166
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,679
means or that becomes a very big

2167
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:01,199
challenge for them when you and I might

2168
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:04,560
look at that is negligible.

2169
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,880
Not knowing that type of fiscal impact

2170
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,280
does make me hesitant on this. I hope

2171
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:10,800
that makes sense. Is there anything you

2172
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,360
want to add to this where there's just

2173
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:19,600
no way to really do that or define that?

2174
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,840
Yeah, we don't have the the ability to

2175
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,560
pull pull that out as far as on the

2176
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,840
reports we get as far as you I mean I

2177
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,800
know the the users the ones who are

2178
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,520
seeing increase are typically not near

2179
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,159
the minimum they're using you know more

2180
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:39,840
than the minimum already but I mean it

2181
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,920
it's it's a variety of I don't know you

2182
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,239
the housing structure the residents you

2183
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,520
know who lives where or where the

2184
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,360
lowincome

2185
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,320
customers are. But I'm again I would say

2186
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,040
that people who are you they're paying

2187
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,360
for their water by the number of units.

2188
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:02,400
So if they're using a lot, you know, a

2189
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,880
fair amount of water, they're seeing,

2190
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,040
you know, they're using, you know,

2191
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,440
they're pay they're they're paying for

2192
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:11,920
what they're using. And this is a way of

2193
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,400
measuring what they're using as far as

2194
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,840
the sewer system and so that they're

2195
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,119
paying what they're using on that.

2196
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:25,040
>> And I I appreciate all that. I guess the the unknowns for me and I don't know

2197
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,960
all of the details but you had mentioned

2198
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,719
that somebody could be um uh labeled as

2199
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:32,639
a single customer but maybe have 200

2200
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:34,960
units. I guess in my mind I play it

2201
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:36,960
forward where well maybe there was you

2202
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:38,320
know somebody that was really conserving

2203
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,760
next door to them. Somebody was just

2204
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,840
like leaving the water on all the time

2205
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,159
and it shook out a year or two later

2206
01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:46,320
that the owners were paying more in

2207
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:47,679
their bill and they wound up passing

2208
01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:50,480
that cost on to their tenants. So again,

2209
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:51,679
that's where I think about, well, what

2210
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:53,199
if somebody's on a fixed income and they

2211
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:54,719
did everything they were supposed to do,

2212
01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:56,480
but they have the limitations of being a

2213
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:59,760
renter in a multi-unit place? Could they

2214
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,080
face fiscal impact from this?

2215
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:03,840
Potentially,

2216
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,320
>> possibly. A lot of our our larger

2217
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,639
customers do have a flat rate where they

2218
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:11,280
pay a certain amount per unit and that

2219
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:15,119
doesn't change. So those um may not be

2220
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:20,400
affected, but um yeah, I understand.

2221
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,119
>> Yeah, thank you for filling me in as

2222
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:26,719
much as you could. Appreciate it.

2223
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:29,280
>> So we got to pay off this $105 million

2224
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,360
sewer plant, correct? I mean, that's the bottom line, too, is $105

2225
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:40,080
million plus plus. So, um I think that

2226
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,440
people are getting a little confused

2227
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:43,520
that we're not

2228
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,960
changing the charge and it's based on

2229
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:51,840
per unit. You have a five unit minimum.

2230
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,520
You don't have a sewer meter. So, you

2231
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,679
don't have a flow meter sitting on the sewer. You're using that number

2232
01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:59,760
to be as fair as you can and limiting

2233
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,199
it. It's was five units before. It's

2234
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:04,800
going to be five units now. So, that's

2235
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,360
not going to be changed. Um, where it

2236
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,199
does align, some people I've talked to

2237
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:12,000
is where they they had a long water leak

2238
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,320
and you threw out one high, but because

2239
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,880
it was high on year four, three, and

2240
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,040
two, now it's more accurate because it's

2241
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,600
following the water that's using. And in

2242
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,360
some people's cases with water going up,

2243
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,320
you have another member of the family

2244
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,960
happens. So, people are taking more

2245
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:31,119
baths. There's more people there. And

2246
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:33,119
that's why you're talking about some

2247
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,199
numbers going up and likewise some are

2248
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:36,719
going down because somebody's moving on

2249
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:39,920
to college or something, but you're not

2250
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,280
charging individually more. It's the

2251
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:46,320
same as it's been since 2017. Correct.

2252
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:46,560
>> Correct.

2253
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,960
>> So the rates are not going up on this.

2254
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,040
The amount of charging, it was five

2255
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,800
units before was the minimum. Correct.

2256
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:53,600
>> Yes.

2257
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:55,760
>> Five units of charge before. It's five

2258
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,880
units now. So there's no no change on

2259
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,520
that. What they're talking about is in

2260
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,320
order because there isn't a sewer meter,

2261
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,239
you use the water meter to calculate.

2262
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:07,679
And the reason why they use January,

2263
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:09,760
February, March is generally when it's

2264
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,600
raining and people aren't using water to

2265
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,679
landscape. So that's the best way they

2266
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:15,119
can calculate because most that water

2267
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:17,920
then is used in the house, showers,

2268
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,000
toilets, whatever. That's how they come

2269
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,440
up with that calculation using the

2270
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:24,320
winter rates for the calculation. The

2271
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,000
reason why I'm saying right now, because

2272
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:27,920
we're not in a drought, the river's

2273
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,159
running for almost three years in times

2274
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:31,920
of plenty, go ahead and use a little

2275
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,280
more water. Enjoy a little bit of that

2276
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,320
renewable resource that's out there. Um,

2277
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:37,760
if you if you're not doing it during the

2278
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,199
calculation time of January, February,

2279
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,199
March, it won't affect your your sewer

2280
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:44,080
bill. But it's a methodology that's used

2281
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,320
throughout California. Correct.

2282
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,159
>> A lot of California's gone to fixed

2283
01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:50,159
rates, but a lot of them still use based

2284
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,000
on winter averages. Yeah.

2285
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,000
>> Right. I mean it's it's because people

2286
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,080
don't put sewer meters on houses.

2287
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:56,560
Correct.

2288
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:57,119
>> Correct.

2289
01:43:57,119 --> 01:43:58,239
>> And it's just one of those things you

2290
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,239
can't really do. So that's why they have

2291
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:02,560
to use it to do the calculation and the

2292
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:03,840
rates have to be adjusted. The reason

2293
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,360
why we haven't had to raise the rates is

2294
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:06,880
because

2295
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,119
until recently the the sewer uh

2296
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:10,560
enterprise has been pretty good shape.

2297
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,719
In fact, I think April of last year they

2298
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:15,520
had 100% reserve. They had $13 million

2299
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,280
in the bank, but they had a lot of

2300
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:18,719
projects and deferred maintenance that

2301
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:20,000
they were going to be using that money

2302
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,800
up on. So that's why rates hadn't been

2303
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,960
had to raised for many years is it was

2304
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,600
covering its debt. So with more growth

2305
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:29,520
that we have our water plants running

2306
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,000
our wastewater I think it's at 60%

2307
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,600
capacity

2308
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,480
>> correct. So we have room for growth more

2309
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:39,040
people hook up on it. We won't have to

2310
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,719
raise the rates for a while too. So we

2311
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:42,159
need to get more people hooked up using

2312
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:44,800
that resource that's out there. I mean

2313
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,480
if you've I don't know if they do tours

2314
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:47,920
at the wastewater plant but it's a

2315
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,760
pretty phenomenal facility. needs. One

2316
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,679
of the most expensive facilities the

2317
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:54,159
city of LMPoke has is the sewer plant.

2318
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:55,920
It's very expensive to take care of and

2319
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:57,280
process what happens when they flush

2320
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,280
that toilet. They got a great group of

2321
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:00,560
people out there that that keep the

2322
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:02,880
water running clean all the way to the

2323
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,239
UV sterilizers all the way out. So,

2324
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:09,990
Council Member Vega

2325
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:11,920
Bob, I thank you for the presentation. I

2326
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,320
understand what's going on here, but I

2327
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,880
can't support it because I can't explain

2328
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,360
it to my constituents. or the people of

2329
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,520
the residents. Uh in days of

2330
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,440
conservation,

2331
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:25,199
I don't know what the benefit was to

2332
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:26,800
people to be honest with you. You

2333
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,480
conserve water and then you get another

2334
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,719
fee study where the rates are raised.

2335
01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:32,320
The infrastructure cost are the

2336
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,400
infrastructure cost. As we all know,

2337
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,440
this is an election year and people that

2338
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:39,199
have no problem paying their utility

2339
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:41,600
bills

2340
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,679
will embrace any kind of change that

2341
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,159
benefits the city. Okay. So basically

2342
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:48,880
what we have to do is look at our in

2343
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,600
ourselves and see what was the reason I

2344
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,719
would vote for a change

2345
01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:58,000
when they can't explain who's going to

2346
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,239
benefit from it. And why would I put

2347
01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:03,679
somebody's fixed income in jeopardy and

2348
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:05,440
have to explain afterwards when they're

2349
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:09,199
only getting $700, maybe $1,500 a month

2350
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:10,880
to their family? I just don't agree with

2351
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,840
it. So basically, I can't explain it.

2352
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,920
You guys can't explain it. You guys can

2353
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,560
only try and sell it because it's

2354
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,400
enterprise. It's bank. It's it's

2355
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,040
banking. It's we have money we have to

2356
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,440
spend. We conserve. You sell more water.

2357
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:27,840
None of that makes sense.

2358
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,520
All I know is when we get our bill,

2359
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,040
there's people stressing out with the

2360
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,440
utility bill. And right now with

2361
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:37,040
economics, everything is going up. And

2362
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,600
all we do is we present things that seem

2363
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,239
to have frosting on it, but then what

2364
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,159
comes in right after it is another fee

2365
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:47,119
study, which means when's the last time

2366
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:49,520
utilities went down, guys? Everything is

2367
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,440
a at a cost. But right, think the timing

2368
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:55,750
of it right now is not good.

2369
01:46:55,760 --> 01:47:02,709
Council bridge.

2370
01:47:02,719 --> 01:47:04,880
So I just want to be very clear in my

2371
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,800
mind.

2372
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:10,000
You're not increasing the rates.

2373
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:10,560
>> Correct.

2374
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,800
>> You're not increasing the minimum.

2375
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,320
>> Correct.

2376
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,960
>> The only change we're making tonight

2377
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,440
that I can understand.

2378
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:22,880
Instead of averaging the use over five

2379
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,560
years,

2380
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,960
we're putting under one year.

2381
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:27,679
>> That's correct.

2382
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:29,679
>> I am a proponent for that. And the

2383
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:32,560
reason I am a proponent for that

2384
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:38,719
is I can change what my bill is quickly.

2385
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:40,880
I've had many conversations with folks

2386
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,400
who go, "How do I get my bill so sewer

2387
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,280
bill lower?" And I have to go, "Well,

2388
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:48,960
it'll take you five years to get it

2389
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,639
lower."

2390
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:52,880
with this change. If someone makes wants

2391
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:54,480
to make a change in their behavior

2392
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:57,119
because their bill's too high,

2393
01:47:57,119 --> 01:47:59,040
they can make that change within a year,

2394
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:00,239
not five years.

2395
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:01,040
>> That's correct.

2396
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:02,719
>> That's the only change we're making

2397
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:04,560
here, right? Putting the power back in

2398
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,600
the people's hands to change their rate,

2399
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,600
what they're having to pay. They don't

2400
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,360
have to wait five years to lower their

2401
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:15,040
bill. They can change it this year.

2402
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:16,800
And I don't mean to be faciticious and

2403
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,800
if I'm sorry if I hurt anybody's

2404
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,199
feelings, but the quickest way to do

2405
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:23,840
that, and I've seen them around town, is

2406
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,159
turn off your sprinklers in the winter.

2407
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:28,239
You will use less water during that

2408
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:30,480
period when the averages are computed.

2409
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:33,040
They're computed, I believe, then

2410
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,920
December, January, February or

2411
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,560
>> Yeah, we use both. We try to capture

2412
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,040
January, February, March usage.

2413
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,360
>> Okay. January, February, March. Turn

2414
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:44,960
your sprinklers off that if they're

2415
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,840
going, it rains during that period. Most

2416
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,560
lawns don't require it. I forget

2417
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:52,560
sometimes, but I try to turn it off in

2418
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,440
the winter. And it will make that change

2419
01:48:55,440 --> 01:48:57,679
this year. I don't have to wait five

2420
01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:00,639
years because I'm trying to conserve.

2421
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:02,880
This change has nothing to do with how

2422
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,040
much you pay on water.

2423
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:05,840
>> Correct.

2424
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,840
>> There's no All this is is our sewer

2425
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:08,400
bill.

2426
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,480
>> Yes. and we're trying to give a way for

2427
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:12,719
people to impact and lower their sewer

2428
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:15,280
bill. I'm going to be in support of

2429
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:16,880
that.

2430
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:18,480
Council,

2431
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,320
>> so I definitely hear that, I guess. But

2432
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,080
a little push back that I would have is

2433
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,000
that oh my gosh, how lucky it is for

2434
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,960
someone to have sprinklers.

2435
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,639
What about all the people that are in

2436
01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:31,760
denser housing don't have the option to

2437
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,760
turn off their sprinklers or lower their

2438
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,239
consumption? They've already done that,

2439
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:37,920
but they are just at the receiving end

2440
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,960
of that. So, one might

2441
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,639
imagine that somebody that has

2442
01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:45,280
sprinklers has the ability to really

2443
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,760
lower their bill because of consumption,

2444
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,360
but somebody that's on a fixed income

2445
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,360
and has no options of lowering their

2446
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,040
consumption might not. They actually

2447
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,199
might pay more. So, that's again where I

2448
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:56,880
have a little bit of hesitation on this.

2449
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,280
And then, I mean, I guess it's how you

2450
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:03,280
say it. Um, but if the staff report said

2451
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:07,520
23% of people are going to pay more,

2452
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:09,520
you're changing the way that you charge.

2453
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,440
So, it's not accurate to say no one's

2454
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:13,840
bill is going to change.

2455
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,119
>> I I would say

2456
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:16,400
>> you didn't say that, someone else did.

2457
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:16,719
No.

2458
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:18,639
>> So, that's that's just something I want

2459
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:20,400
to be very clear of is that somebody is

2460
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,320
going to see the change and we have not

2461
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,760
been able to say who might benefit and

2462
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,719
who might not. Um,

2463
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:30,080
just so I don't get this wrong, mayor,

2464
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,719
you said something about $105 million.

2465
01:50:32,719 --> 01:50:35,119
What is that? The sewer. Tell me about

2466
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:36,480
that.

2467
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:38,159
>> That was the bond debts to build the

2468
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:38,880
sewer plant.

2469
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,360
>> Yeah. So,

2470
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,199
and again, I may be a little bit

2471
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,040
ignorant, but I guess his eyes zoom out

2472
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:47,600
and I and again, no blame because the

2473
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,360
utility was in good shape and there's no

2474
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,880
need for uh any of these rate increases.

2475
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,920
But then we use the justification to

2476
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,760
say, "Well, we need to do this thing

2477
01:50:57,760 --> 01:50:59,679
because we still have this $ 105 thou $

2478
01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:01,360
105 million thing that we still haven't

2479
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,520
figured out how to pay for." It makes me

2480
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,920
go back and think like, "Well,

2481
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,440
well, gosh, here we are again in the

2482
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,520
city of LMPO having something that needs

2483
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,920
to be fixed. Capital improvement. We

2484
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,520
have no money ever put aside."

2485
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,400
Just one other example. Hear me out at

2486
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,400
my little PE brain sometimes just thinks

2487
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:21,840
like, "Well, gosh, man. we would have

2488
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:26,560
just had a 3% 4% some uh moderate sort

2489
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:28,400
of rate increase over that time. We

2490
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,040
haven't increased any rate since 2017.

2491
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,719
I'm like, isn't that how other cities

2492
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:34,320
kind of do it? They It's not as

2493
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,000
controversial. They don't wait a decade

2494
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:37,760
to make a change that has so much

2495
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,679
impact. They just have incremental

2496
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:41,199
change and then they put money aside and

2497
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:43,119
then they fix their things. I don't

2498
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:46,159
know, maybe I'm ignorant, but

2499
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,239
>> um no, back to your first point though,

2500
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:50,960
I will say again, the people who are

2501
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,440
seeing increases would have likely seen

2502
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:56,320
an increase anyway because their winter

2503
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,880
usage was higher. So under either

2504
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,760
method, they're going to they're seeing

2505
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,400
a increase because they use more water

2506
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:09,280
and that's how we measure it. So,

2507
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,520
but as to the segway, the the the

2508
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:15,440
primary reason for doing this is not to

2509
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:18,480
pay for the plant essentially, but it's

2510
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:21,840
but yeah, but the minimum sorry the

2511
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,639
minimum cost again that does go towards

2512
01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:27,280
the infrastructure which is part of the

2513
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:32,159
plan and that's been in place ever since I've been here. The minimum

2514
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:36,239
of five units that's been in place. So

2515
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:37,920
>> playing devil's advocate, those five

2516
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,920
unit charges that we give, whether

2517
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:41,920
somebody turns the water on or off, is

2518
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,719
that helping us pay for $105 million

2519
01:52:44,719 --> 01:52:46,480
sewer plant and how quickly might we be

2520
01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:49,599
able to do that and pay it off?

2521
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:51,760
>> It goes towards the fixed cost of the

2522
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,480
system essentially. There's the using

2523
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:56,639
the first unit is the most expensive

2524
01:52:56,639 --> 01:52:58,639
because to have one unit, you have to

2525
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:02,480
have all the infrastructure in place. So

2526
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:04,719
as far I mean we mix the revenue the

2527
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:07,040
revenue all goes we don't count how much

2528
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:10,320
is paid by the minimum how much is you

2529
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:14,639
know above that but the it's getting

2530
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:17,760
paid off. It'll be paid off I think by

2531
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,000
2029.

2532
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,080
So

2533
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:23,599
>> then we might be able to lower rates

2534
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:24,719
right?

2535
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:26,800
>> It's you know we again that's part of

2536
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,800
the study. We'll see how the numbers

2537
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:31,599
look after this and we'll see.

2538
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:33,520
>> Council,

2539
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,239
>> hey Bob, when's the next rate study?

2540
01:53:36,239 --> 01:53:39,840
>> So, we we brought a rate study back in

2541
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:43,040
um last January, February, and we didn't

2542
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:44,719
continue it. There were some questions

2543
01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:47,679
with it. So, we're going to be um

2544
01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:50,159
bringing that back with the water study

2545
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:53,199
probably hopefully

2546
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,360
February time frame. We're we're going

2547
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:57,599
to be starting up again with the end of

2548
01:53:57,599 --> 01:54:00,159
this fiscal last past fiscal year. So we

2549
01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:01,360
have finance numbers. So we'll be

2550
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:02,480
looking at that.

2551
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,560
>> So the rates won't stay the same for

2552
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,280
five years as stated. Correct. Because

2553
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,000
subject to the rate study other choices

2554
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,800
and in votes could take the place. It's

2555
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:16,320
possible we could um implement a type of

2556
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:20,000
fixed cost and lower variable cost be to

2557
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,719
reduce the volatility, but we'll we'll

2558
01:54:22,719 --> 01:54:25,360
be working with our rate consultants on

2559
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,400
different ways of structuring the rates.

2560
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,119
>> And I'm not against the averaging.

2561
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,599
Most people don't understand it or they

2562
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:35,440
do understand that if you average it

2563
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,960
goes lower. What I'm against is

2564
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,040
the cell here. Okay? You have people

2565
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,280
that say turn off your sprinklers, flush

2566
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,119
the toilets. It's covering the vacancy

2567
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:48,239
rate. Let's let's let's not make uh

2568
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:50,080
let's be clear here. The city is making

2569
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:52,480
money on this change that they should be

2570
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,000
making money on certain things, but you

2571
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,440
guys need to be transparent and say,

2572
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,320
"Oh, there's no change to them." And you

2573
01:54:58,320 --> 01:54:59,760
got to turn off your sprinklers. I don't

2574
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,920
have sprinklers.

2575
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:03,760
So, that doesn't fly for a lot of

2576
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,639
people. The conservation was just a big

2577
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:08,800
smoke and mirror thing, too. You have

2578
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,080
people here trying to restrict

2579
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,840
themselves and tell them to save water.

2580
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:13,920
What did they get for that? They got a

2581
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,679
rate increase. You guys are talking

2582
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:17,280
about the sewer plant infrastructure.

2583
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,599
That's an old bill that's being paid

2584
01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,440
with enterprise. So basically, the

2585
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,280
enterprise is making more money as it

2586
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,119
should so that other people could spend

2587
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:27,199
the money somewhere else. It's not going

2588
01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:29,679
directly toward that sewer plant. So

2589
01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:32,560
that's a myth. All I'm saying is we just

2590
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,239
need to know why we're selling it, why

2591
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:36,880
we're doing it, and and to say that

2592
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,000
we're not going to get a rate increase

2593
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,480
in 5 years, that's bologoney. That's not

2594
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:42,960
true. We get a rate increase every year

2595
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,040
just about if it's voted in. So, I just

2596
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:46,320
want to be honest with the people.

2597
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:47,920
That's all

2598
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,560
>> I will say. For me, the main reason for

2599
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,360
doing it is it's simpler to build, it's

2600
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,400
simpler to calculate, it's simpler to

2601
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:57,360
implement.

2602
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,199
>> And see, those are the answers that I

2603
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,360
wanted to hear. Not the smoking mirrors

2604
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,440
about flushing toilets and turning off

2605
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:04,719
sprinklers and all that. That's all

2606
01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:06,800
baloney. That doesn't even make sense.

2607
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,719
And that is being repeated to me as if I

2608
01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:12,639
didn't understand what that meant.

2609
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:15,040
And I understood it perfectly. It's just

2610
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,800
that I can't tell my constituents and

2611
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,560
the residents who's going to get this

2612
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,719
increase, and you can't tell me, and

2613
01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:22,560
none of you can tell me. You guys just

2614
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:27,360
say it's okay. It's going to go down.

2615
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,280
I just don't think it's it's been

2616
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:31,360
explained or it's clarified because in

2617
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,800
general you have the apartments, you

2618
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,560
have all the single family homes, you

2619
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,520
have everybody in one big bulk group and

2620
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,560
how you guys calculated the 27%

2621
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:42,800
increase. Um I'm not sure if you were

2622
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,719
real clear about that. If you know who's

2623
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:47,040
going to get the increase or not, Bob,

2624
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,280
or if you know, okay, some of that

2625
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:51,440
question mark stuff is kind of what

2626
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,199
people should know before we vote into

2627
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:55,199
another process. You know, people

2628
01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:58,000
understand averaging means, okay, if you

2629
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,440
average it out for a certain amount of

2630
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,840
time, maybe we'll stabilize the rate the

2631
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,000
rates for the month or the billing.

2632
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,560
That's pretty clear. I get it. But to

2633
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:08,159
say for 5 years, it's not going to

2634
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:10,880
change. That's not true.

2635
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:12,960
So, if you guys could tell me who who's

2636
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,436
going to get the increase,

2637
01:57:15,436 --> 01:57:16,320
[snorts] that would be a different

2638
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,639
story. But it's not it's not structured

2639
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:23,040
like that. So, thank you,

2640
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:30,310
Council Member Bridge.

2641
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:31,679
So, the people that are getting the

2642
01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:33,040
increase are the people that are using

2643
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:36,639
the water and have somehow been

2644
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:38,960
over the averaging of five years, taken

2645
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,360
advantage of earlier years, and use less

2646
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:42,880
water.

2647
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:46,239
Um, so that's pretty easy to understand.

2648
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:49,520
>> Tell me exactly, Mr. Bridge. Who is it?

2649
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:50,960
There's no way to tell that because

2650
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,080
everybody uses a different

2651
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,360
>> You're exactly right. You just answered

2652
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:54,880
it. Okay. So, when you come back at me

2653
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,880
with something vague,

2654
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,239
>> come back with me with for something

2655
01:57:58,239 --> 01:57:59,920
that I can understand.

2656
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,960
>> Nothing vague, but based on what you're

2657
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:06,480
stating and what I'm hearing

2658
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:10,880
perhaps Councilman Ball worrying um

2659
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:14,159
and what I heard the angst,

2660
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:16,159
um my understanding was the average is

2661
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:18,320
seven units. That's what I think I

2662
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:18,880
heard.

2663
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:19,199
>> Yes,

2664
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:21,920
>> we have a base of five. You want

2665
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:24,800
something to campaign on? Let's make it

2666
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,679
a base of two units. It won't make a

2667
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:29,599
difference, but you'll have a something

2668
01:58:29,599 --> 01:58:31,840
to go tell your constituents.

2669
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,599
>> I don't need anything to campaign on,

2670
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:38,149
sir.

2671
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:43,199
So if I understand it's the the current

2672
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:44,719
Greg Stones would know this when the

2673
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:47,679
current rules for apartment complexes in

2674
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:49,119
other commercial components you have

2675
01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:50,719
separate meters one for landscaping

2676
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:55,119
meter and his apartment right so there's

2677
01:58:55,119 --> 01:58:56,800
a housing meter in a lot of these big

2678
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,199
developments already have isolated

2679
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:01,920
landscape meters right so they're

2680
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,159
already those those guys don't matter

2681
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:05,440
what he's talking about is a single

2682
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:08,000
family residents in the water usage

2683
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,679
lines. Most of the people in apartments

2684
01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:12,480
are already on the five unit minimum.

2685
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:13,119
>> Yeah.

2686
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,199
>> So, a lot of them and I I

2687
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:16,719
>> I just said most. I mean, if they're

2688
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:19,119
larger units, they're already on the

2689
01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:22,639
five minimums. So, they're already not

2690
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:24,800
going to see a change. So, and the the

2691
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:27,119
complexity of this is is they can't

2692
01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:29,760
share with us because it's confidential.

2693
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,159
People's utility bills are confidential.

2694
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:33,280
So, they're not going to go share with

2695
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:36,000
us. and they and they don't we don't

2696
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:39,599
isolate out whether somebody's

2697
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:43,119
um their their class in society. We

2698
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:44,639
treat everybody equally the same with

2699
01:59:44,639 --> 01:59:46,080
their bills. Correct,

2700
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:49,280
>> city attorney. We don't have isolation,

2701
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:53,119
right? It and it's based on usage.

2702
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:53,599
Correct.

2703
01:59:53,599 --> 01:59:55,360
>> Yeah, it's based on usage.

2704
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:57,440
>> Yeah. So it's not

2705
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,360
>> and the part about the customer class

2706
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,840
that the person asked about that goes

2707
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,080
the classes are residential, commercial,

2708
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:07,599
industrial but that only comes into play

2709
02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:10,560
if the they weren't in the residence for

2710
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:13,040
January, February and March they the

2711
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,199
first year essentially they get build

2712
02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:18,080
the average after that we establish

2713
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,719
their winter average. And the customers

2714
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:22,800
who are going up, they're people who

2715
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:27,440
used more water this past winter than

2716
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,520
they have in the past.

2717
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:29,840
>> Or

2718
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,480
>> I I have the names at my desk, but I

2719
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:34,000
>> or or it was a property that was

2720
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,960
actually vacant and is now occupied. I

2721
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:38,560
mean, there's that rotational aspect

2722
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:40,880
that comes through as well. So, it's not

2723
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,760
the rates are not increasing per unit.

2724
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:47,199
If you're using the minimum of five,

2725
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:49,520
you'll still be five. It's based on how

2726
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,599
many units you're using on a one-year

2727
02:00:51,599 --> 02:00:52,960
averaging instead of the five-year

2728
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,840
averaging. So, Council Member Ball,

2729
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:59,599
>> I it sounds so simple. Um, so I guess

2730
02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:02,239
just uh just kick it on through, I

2731
02:01:02,239 --> 02:01:04,719
guess, but um correct me if I'm wrong.

2732
02:01:04,719 --> 02:01:07,360
So, over So, I guess this from your

2733
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:11,440
staff report. So, over 2,000 households,

2734
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:12,719
and again, we could argue like, oh,

2735
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:13,760
well, they're using more water and

2736
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,119
they've been getting a break up until

2737
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:16,320
this point. No one knows that they're

2738
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:17,520
paying their water bill. They're paying

2739
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,280
all their bills. They're using their

2740
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:22,480
water. So, over 2,000 households are

2741
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,920
going to see their bill go up.

2742
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:26,480
>> Yeah.

2743
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:27,760
>> Based on what we think. Yes.

2744
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,239
>> Okay. And we don't know who because

2745
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:31,840
that's that's cloudy. Although I would

2746
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:35,119
say sometimes like LMPO benefits from uh

2747
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:37,119
in terms of our electric bill and the

2748
02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:39,760
rates that we pay to bring power on. You

2749
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:42,080
know, some of that is tied to median

2750
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:43,360
income and some of those things, but

2751
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:46,960
that's another story. Um, also, is this

2752
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:50,239
true or false? We are also removing

2753
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:54,639
a previous cap of $281 on how much a

2754
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:57,119
wastewater bill can increase in a single

2755
02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:58,960
year.

2756
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:00,159
>> Are we removing?

2757
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:02,239
>> The cap was four units. Okay.

2758
02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:06,239
>> So, it was about $36

2759
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:08,159
was the cap before. And yes, that's

2760
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:08,719
correct.

2761
02:02:08,719 --> 02:02:14,629
>> Okay. Thank you.

2762
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:16,080
So the people's bills that will be going

2763
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:18,000
up are people who are using more sewage.

2764
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:19,040
Correct?

2765
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:22,229
>> Yes. [clears throat]

2766
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:24,080
» All right. Anybody else? I see nobody

2767
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:25,840
else's thing. Anybody mayor?

2768
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:26,239
>> Yes.

2769
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,159
>> We do have a housekeeping item on this

2770
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:29,920
we have to take care of before there's a

2771
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:33,360
motion and that's pursuant to Prop 218.

2772
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:35,920
This was a public hearing to take

2773
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:39,360
written protests of this proposed change

2774
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,080
and uh there's 11,12

2775
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:45,760
parcels in the city. If 50% plus one of

2776
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:49,679
those 11,12 parcels protested,

2777
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:51,920
then city council would be prohibited

2778
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,080
from making this change. If there are

2779
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:57,199
less than 50 50% protests, then the

2780
02:02:57,199 --> 02:02:58,960
council can choose whether or not to

2781
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:01,440
make the change. So, I want to confirm

2782
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:04,400
with the city clerk that uh city has

2783
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,560
received

2784
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:09,040
um first of all that all the notices

2785
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:10,639
were mailed to the property owners and

2786
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:13,280
the utility customers and that the city

2787
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:16,560
received 18 written protests.

2788
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:18,159
>> That is correct.

2789
02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:21,520
>> And we received zero tonight.

2790
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:23,679
So, uh the total of 18 does not reach

2791
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:25,520
the 50% threshold though.

2792
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:27,840
>> We actually received the 18th tonight.

2793
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,080
We had 17 before tonight and I was

2794
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,719
handed one tonight.

2795
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:35,199
>> Understood. Technically I meant at the

2796
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:37,280
public hearing. So 18 before the public

2797
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:41,440
hearing, zero at the public hearing.

2798
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:46,390
>> Correct.

2799
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,430
» Okay.

2800
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:51,679
Housekeeping is taken care of. Any more

2801
02:03:51,679 --> 02:03:54,239
questions?

2802
02:03:54,239 --> 02:04:03,189
We're looking for a motion.

2803
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:05,199
Starbucks, what's your motion?

2804
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:06,800
>> I'll go ahead and make the motion we

2805
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:12,159
accept resolution 6836 parentheses 26.

2806
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:13,599
>> Is that all you need along with

2807
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:14,960
everything else or what else? City

2808
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:16,239
attorney,

2809
02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:18,400
>> that is sufficient. Yes.

2810
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,719
>> Okay, we got a first by Starbucks,

2811
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:21,920
second by bridge. Let's go ahead and

2812
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:29,030
vote.

2813
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:41,270
That passes 32.

2814
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:43,199
Up next,

2815
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:44,560
discussion and direction regarding

2816
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:47,920
adopting housing element sites inventory

2817
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:53,669
lists.

2818
02:04:53,679 --> 02:04:56,639
Planning manager Greg Stones,

2819
02:04:56,639 --> 02:04:58,239
you had a busy time this time, didn't

2820
02:04:58,239 --> 02:04:58,719
you?

2821
02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:01,440
>> Yep.

2822
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:03,840
>> One moment.

2823
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,760
All right.

2824
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:10,000
So at the uh June 2nd 2026, city council

2825
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:11,920
requested a discussion regarding this

2826
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,560
item item specifically the inventory and

2827
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:23,189
map in our general plan housing element.

2828
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:25,679
So a few things here in terms of I'll

2829
02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:28,000
discuss the process and the benefits of

2830
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:30,800
modifying the list and map. So the

2831
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:33,440
process would be to essentially come up

2832
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:35,599
with which items or which properties you

2833
02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:38,560
want off the list. Uh we would staff

2834
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:39,920
would have to work with the consultant

2835
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,639
to do an analysis to see if it's a

2836
02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:45,360
appropriate fit in terms of if there's

2837
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:47,119
any additional ones that would be put on

2838
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:49,119
the list versus ones being taken off the

2839
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:52,400
list. Contact the HCD which is the

2840
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:54,320
housing of uh department of housing and

2841
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,159
community development to see if they

2842
02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:58,960
agree. Uh then return to planning

2843
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:00,560
commission. then it would go to city

2844
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,520
council and if city council agrees then

2845
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:06,239
we would submit back to HCD. They would

2846
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:08,960
have 60-day review time and then after

2847
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:10,800
HCD approves it then it would come back

2848
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,840
to planning commission and city council

2849
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:17,599
for adoption and then resubmit it to HCD

2850
02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:19,760
and consultant mentioned it this could

2851
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:22,800
potentially take up to six months. Now

2852
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:25,280
some of the benefits uh would be uh

2853
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,920
regarding the no net loss excuse me no

2854
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:30,639
net loss law. If the city approves a

2855
02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:32,400
project at a lower density or for

2856
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:34,560
different income level than what was

2857
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:36,719
what the inventory assumed the city must

2858
02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:39,280
replace the capacity elsewhere. Keeping

2859
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:41,199
the inventory updated can prevent uh

2860
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:43,360
deficits and adding extra sites to the

2861
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,320
inventory creates a safety net to

2862
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:48,400
prevent failing falling out of

2863
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:51,119
compliance if the developer builds fewer

2864
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:54,159
units than expected. Well, that's one.

2865
02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:57,280
Second benefit could be swapping uh

2866
02:06:57,280 --> 02:07:00,000
swapping it constrained sites for more

2867
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:01,840
viable sites increases the likelihood

2868
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:03,840
that housing actually gets built in the

2869
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,000
community. And the third point would be

2870
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,159
to uh removing a parcel from the

2871
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:10,400
inventory can protect the city against

2872
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:13,199
by right statutory triggers created by

2873
02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:16,400
assembly bill uh 1397. Uh under

2874
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:20,079
California law if a site is um relisted

2875
02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:21,840
or reused across multiple housing

2876
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,079
element cycles without being developed,

2877
02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:26,239
the city faces loss of local zoning

2878
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:28,800
control. In other words, the city must

2879
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:30,800
allow any future housing development on

2880
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,679
that site to be approved by Wright. Um,

2881
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:35,679
assuming they also have at least 20% for

2882
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:37,920
low-income housing.

2883
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,400
And oh, if you could go to the map

2884
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,199
quickly and here's the map from our

2885
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:45,440
adopted housing element showing the

2886
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:48,239
vacant and underutilized sites. Uh, that

2887
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:50,793
concludes my presentation. Thank you.

2888
02:07:50,793 --> 02:07:53,510
[clears throat]

2889
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:57,920
Counselor Bridge question. Sorry.

2890
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,719
>> Leftovers.

2891
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:03,040
Counc

2892
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:07,520
>> just generally speaking, uh, has HCD had

2893
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:09,679
some concerns about what we've done in

2894
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:10,480
the past?

2895
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:12,239
>> No, I I haven't heard anything right

2896
02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:13,199
now. We're good.

2897
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:16,079
>> So, as is, do we feel pretty comfortable

2898
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:18,400
that we're doing the right thing by the

2899
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:22,320
state or HDD will approach?

2900
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:23,920
>> Sure. I mean, since I haven't heard

2901
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:26,800
anything, I'm thinking we're good.

2902
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:29,599
>> So, in terms of potential arena numbers

2903
02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:31,360
and

2904
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:32,719
letting them know that we're open to

2905
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:34,320
housing, we're doing a pretty good job

2906
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:35,920
with that.

2907
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:36,960
>> That I'm aware of.

2908
02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:41,910
>> Okay. Thank you.

2909
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,159
» One of the reasons for I would Do you

2910
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:45,679
have anything else, Bill?

2911
02:08:45,679 --> 02:08:49,920
>> No. Oh, said is that we did do some zone

2912
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:52,320
changes which can help our numbers and

2913
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:53,520
the last thing you want to do is you

2914
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:54,960
have the state saying you're in

2915
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:58,079
violation and we're quite confident that

2916
02:08:58,079 --> 02:08:59,760
at least I am some of these things are

2917
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,880
not going to happen. Um I don't think

2918
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:04,400
anybody's tearing down the Graange Hall,

2919
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:07,599
the Half Century Club, the Elks Lodge.

2920
02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:09,119
There's a couple other churches on this

2921
02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:12,320
list. Might happen, might not. But in

2922
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:15,040
other words, to protect us, we have two

2923
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,119
other parcels, as you've mentioned here,

2924
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:20,320
that potentially would bring um another

2925
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:24,320
114 dwelling units to town. So, I think

2926
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:27,520
it's important that we add those on. I

2927
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,760
mean, that would be logical, correct?

2928
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:31,679
>> Yeah, that could that could help. Yes.

2929
02:09:31,679 --> 02:09:34,400
Especially if um you know if one of the

2930
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:36,320
other sites gets developed with less

2931
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,159
than what was expected then we can point

2932
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:41,520
to hey we added these two and the in the

2933
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,760
old cycles before

2934
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:47,360
the other arena cycles they were pretty

2935
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,280
laxidasical about it and people were

2936
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:50,880
putting plans together nothing was

2937
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:52,719
happening but I think the state has got

2938
02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:54,000
a little more teeth in it now and they

2939
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,159
want to see people produce

2940
02:09:56,159 --> 02:09:58,639
um and how often you have to give an

2941
02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:00,880
annual update correct

2942
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:01,119
>> um

2943
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:04,079
>> production Well, I mean the the update

2944
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:05,840
in terms of the how many homes are

2945
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:07,520
building is in the general plan annual

2946
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:09,760
report. That's where we kind of indicate

2947
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,560
the progress of actually items that

2948
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:16,079
actually received a um certificate of um

2949
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:19,199
I'm sorry not certificate occup issued a

2950
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:20,480
building permit

2951
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:22,159
>> and year before last we had two single

2952
02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:25,599
family residents. Last year we had zero.

2953
02:10:25,599 --> 02:10:27,199
This year we're slated for a lot more.

2954
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:28,480
So I'm just

2955
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:28,880
>> correct.

2956
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:31,440
>> And just for clarification also the last

2957
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:35,360
two years when we reported that we used

2958
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,159
certificate of occupancy where we found

2959
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:40,560
out ju just recently after the last one

2960
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:43,199
that was updated in this past February

2961
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:44,960
that we can actually use a building

2962
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,639
permit issuance. So next year the how we

2963
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:50,320
do that calculate that will be a little

2964
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:51,840
bit different and it'll actually show

2965
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:55,840
more because more items get uh

2966
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:57,520
approved by building division as opposed

2967
02:10:57,520 --> 02:10:59,520
to a certificate of occupants we which

2968
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:02,000
is you know it's actually built and we

2969
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:05,040
actually have the arena is about 2400

2970
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:08,000
housing units the state is and we're two

2971
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:09,440
years into the cycle. This is the third

2972
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:10,639
year correct

2973
02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:11,760
>> third or fourth.

2974
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:13,599
>> Yeah. So we're we're getting down the

2975
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:15,599
pipe. So, we've got a lot a lot of

2976
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:20,560
makeup work to do. But, um, another

2977
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:23,119
question why I brought this on was um,

2978
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:26,320
in going to the LAFCO meetings and see

2979
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:29,840
how the county and city of Galita were

2980
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,599
able to

2981
02:11:31,599 --> 02:11:34,639
put u lands.

2982
02:11:34,639 --> 02:11:36,719
Um, it made it more favorable for

2983
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:38,719
annexation if they were in their arena

2984
02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:40,880
plan.

2985
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:43,520
um I believe it was Galita's annexation

2986
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,199
and then also the overriding

2987
02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:48,079
consideration of prime agriculture was

2988
02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:50,480
looked the other way when it was in the

2989
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:53,440
arena plan in the over uh writing

2990
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:57,040
consideration in need of development. So

2991
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,840
I have some suggestions on some of the

2992
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:01,679
properties that we've been looking at.

2993
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:02,960
We know one's moving through under

2994
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:05,199
builder's remedy and we probably need to

2995
02:12:05,199 --> 02:12:08,800
get that looked at as lining up for

2996
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:11,280
a project of the city and not one that

2997
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:16,239
lays a limbo with the county. So, um

2998
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:18,000
if anybody else has you know the did you

2999
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,000
get the the answer

3000
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:20,880
>> on that question?

3001
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:23,040
>> Yeah. So, for the for the street Yeah.

3002
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:27,440
for the 109 South 3rd Street. Uh I did

3003
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:28,960
talk with the consultant today and he

3004
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:30,960
said it it is that site is counted

3005
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,119
towards arena. It's just that it's not

3006
02:12:33,119 --> 02:12:35,840
on the vacant and unear sales inventory

3007
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,159
but it was it's in the housing element

3008
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:40,960
under the um entitlement entitled

3009
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:42,880
project. So it is counted. It's just not

3010
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:45,040
on that that particular Yeah. Not on the

3011
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:45,920
map,

3012
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:48,000
>> but we have the V Street one. That's

3013
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,400
that one's entitled, isn't it?

3014
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,239
>> Um North V.

3015
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:53,920
>> Yeah. The number 83 or something.

3016
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:56,159
>> Well, now now it's entitled. I mean, it

3017
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:56,560
was

3018
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,000
>> 84.

3019
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,760
>> Number 84.

3020
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,159
>> Um,

3021
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:15,430
>> the left long corner up there.

3022
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:16,560
» The 1275.

3023
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:18,639
>> I might be confusing my site. So,

3024
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:19,440
>> what's that?

3025
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,639
>> Oh, 84. That had an entitlement, but

3026
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:24,639
it's no longer valid.

3027
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:26,320
There was an entitlement on it, but now

3028
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:27,679
it's it's not valid anymore.

3029
02:13:27,679 --> 02:13:29,920
>> That's why it's on the map. Okay. All

3030
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:33,430
right.

3031
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:35,119
Very good. Anybody else? Council member

3032
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:35,920
B.

3033
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:37,280
>> Just silly question. Forgive my

3034
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:40,400
ignorance. Um, do city properties ever

3035
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:42,960
wind up in this context or is that a

3036
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:44,800
>> Yeah, I I believe there are some that

3037
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:46,639
are in if you could

3038
02:13:46,639 --> 02:13:49,199
>> on L Street there and stuff.

3039
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:49,760
Yeah.

3040
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:51,040
>> You also have the old

3041
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:52,480
>> I think there's some in the downtown

3042
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:55,199
area and then the L street one I believe

3043
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:57,360
>> you have one behind Baskin Robbins too.

3044
02:13:57,360 --> 02:14:00,000
The old yard there.

3045
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:01,599
>> Yeah, I think so.

3046
02:14:01,599 --> 02:14:04,800
>> On the 4 400 block of I Street. That

3047
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:05,599
one's on there.

3048
02:14:05,599 --> 02:14:07,119
>> Yeah, I don't remember off the top of my

3049
02:14:07,119 --> 02:14:08,880
head the addresses, but

3050
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:09,920
>> they go on there.

3051
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:11,840
>> Yeah, I'm And again, I don't want to

3052
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,760
mess with this map. I think that's fine.

3053
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:15,360
But I am curious about you know every

3054
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:19,599
time I drive past D Street and you know

3055
02:14:19,599 --> 02:14:21,920
uh Chestnut I think that the whole city

3056
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:23,440
where they park the buses used to have a

3057
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:24,639
lot of stuff happening and it's just

3058
02:14:24,639 --> 02:14:26,560
sitting open land with some solar panels

3059
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,040
and bus parking now. So just curious

3060
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:31,599
about that. Um maybe I'll follow up with

3061
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:32,719
you so I can learn a little bit more

3062
02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:34,079
about that. But for those city

3063
02:14:34,079 --> 02:14:37,119
properties that are on this list again

3064
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:38,560
the whole goal is to get some sort of

3065
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:40,639
housing and to move towards something.

3066
02:14:40,639 --> 02:14:43,760
I'm curious how the city how do they get

3067
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,599
city properties included if there's not

3068
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:47,280
necessar if that might be a harder

3069
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:51,520
pathway to develop or offload or

3070
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:53,920
>> yeah that that particular question I I

3071
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:55,040
don't know off the top of my head I

3072
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:56,480
think our consultant would probably know

3073
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:58,239
and I can shoot him an email and ask

3074
02:14:58,239 --> 02:14:59,280
them that.

3075
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:00,480
>> I'll follow up. Okay.

3076
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:05,109
>> Thank you.

3077
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:06,880
» No other questions right now. Let me

3078
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:14,310
bring that to public comment.

3079
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:16,639
So, I want to speak on item 12 because

3080
02:15:16,639 --> 02:15:18,400
while this isn't a vote on a specific

3081
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,800
housing project, it is a discussion that

3082
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:23,119
will shape Lok's future. The direction

3083
02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:25,440
you give staff tonight will influence

3084
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:28,079
where housing can be built. What kinds

3085
02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:30,000
of housing become possible and

3086
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,840
ultimately who gets to continue calling

3087
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:34,639
Wpoke home. As a community organizer, I

3088
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:36,400
meet families every day who are

3089
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:38,480
struggling with the raising uh rising

3090
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:40,800
cost of housing. Working families,

3091
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:42,880
seniors, young adults, and immigrant

3092
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,800
families are all facing the same

3093
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:47,599
reality. Finding stable, affordable

3094
02:15:47,599 --> 02:15:49,440
housing in LMPoke is becoming more

3095
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:51,520
difficult. Housing isn't just about

3096
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,199
buildings. It's about keeping families

3097
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:54,880
together. It's about allowing children

3098
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:57,440
to stay in their schools, workers to

3099
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:00,239
live in community they serve, and giving

3100
02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:02,320
people the opportunity to build a future

3101
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:05,440
here. As you discuss the housing element

3102
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:07,280
sites inventory, I ask that you remember

3103
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,520
the people behind every decision, every

3104
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:11,760
parcel, and that list represents

3105
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:13,920
potential opportunities or missed

3106
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:15,840
opportunities for families who simply

3107
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:18,000
want a safe and affordable place to

3108
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:20,560
live. I also encourage you to keep this

3109
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,520
process transparent, communitydriven.

3110
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:25,440
Um, the people of Lampo deserve to

3111
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:27,679
understand how these decisions are made

3112
02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:29,920
and have a meaningful voice in shaping

3113
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:32,399
the our city's future. The choices you

3114
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,559
make tonight may not seem dramatic, but

3115
02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:37,040
they will influence the Lok we leave to

3116
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:40,000
the next generation. Let's plan for uh a

3117
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,479
city that is thoughtful, inclusive,

3118
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:44,880
prepared for the future or ensuring that

3119
02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:46,800
working families have the opportunity to

3120
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:49,200
become to continue living in the

3121
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:53,040
community they love. Thank you.

3122
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:56,870
>> Anybody else?

3123
02:16:56,880 --> 02:17:00,880
» Maybe on phones or your teams or

3124
02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:02,800
>> There's no public comment via teams or

3125
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:04,319
audio.

3126
02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:05,920
>> Right. Seeing nobody else rise, we'll

3127
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:11,270
close public comment. And

3128
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:15,519
if I can, I mean, I think

3129
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:16,960
it's been a four-year project.

3130
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:18,639
Unfortunately, these guys left already.

3131
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:20,559
But understanding how much public

3132
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:22,240
engagement you've had over at least

3133
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:23,840
four, if not five years on this,

3134
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:24,880
correct?

3135
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:26,719
>> It's been a long process. This is

3136
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:27,120
>> process.

3137
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:29,439
>> Tonight is an update that we're doing.

3138
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:31,200
This has been a long, lengthy process to

3139
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:37,679
get where we need to go. Um without carrying it on much further, um

3140
02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:40,479
my suggestion is that we add on

3141
02:17:40,479 --> 02:17:42,719
>> the two parcels that we reszoned onto

3142
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:44,639
the list.

3143
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:46,719
>> Excuse me. The two parcels or the three

3144
02:17:46,719 --> 02:17:48,880
>> three parcels, you know, the two areas,

3145
02:17:48,880 --> 02:17:50,800
the one on both on Ocean Avenue, but one

3146
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:51,519
on east,

3147
02:17:51,519 --> 02:17:54,319
>> the set on East and the set on West

3148
02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:57,120
Ocean. That's 114 more units. That

3149
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:58,319
should give us some breathing room on

3150
02:17:58,319 --> 02:18:00,319
some of those other, you know, maybe

3151
02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:01,760
questionable projects. The other thing

3152
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:04,399
is strategically

3153
02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:07,040
um aligning the Bodger property may be

3154
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,200
the recommendation in two approaches.

3155
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:12,800
One is the whole set of parcels and the

3156
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:14,639
other approach is those that are aligned

3157
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:17,679
under the builder's remedy aspect. I

3158
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:19,439
mean if they're going to be built there

3159
02:18:19,439 --> 02:18:21,120
are going to be our homes. It gives us

3160
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:23,359
some leverage on argument about who

3161
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:26,160
would be qualified for the arena who who

3162
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:27,840
would get the the housing units. We know

3163
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:29,200
the project's really not a project

3164
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,439
without aligned with the city. They need

3165
02:18:31,439 --> 02:18:33,599
our utilities, our public service,

3166
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:35,040
police, fire, and everything on that.

3167
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:36,880
So, they should be our projects, but if

3168
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:38,240
we don't have them in the plan, I can

3169
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:39,760
see what's going to happen. They're

3170
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:40,719
going to say, "Well, you guys weren't

3171
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:42,719
even thinking about this." So,

3172
02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:46,960
strategically, these are the things that I I was thinking that we needed to

3173
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:51,120
do. Um, so with that, I would make a

3174
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:55,200
motion to to align it that way. So those

3175
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:58,399
three basic items and item number three

3176
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:00,639
divided in two portions.

3177
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:02,240
Does that make sense?

3178
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:05,359
>> East Ocean, West Ocean and Bodger

3179
02:19:05,359 --> 02:19:07,359
divided in two different bites of the

3180
02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:14,150
apple

3181
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:17,200
cas. So, I don't necessarily disagree

3182
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:20,160
with this [snorts] at all, but doesn't

3183
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:22,399
this get into the bigger long-term

3184
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:24,000
argument of who's who's getting credit

3185
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,840
for the arena numbers, the county versus

3186
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:26,880
us, and is that

3187
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:28,479
>> Yeah, I mean, that I would have to look

3188
02:19:28,479 --> 02:19:30,639
into. I I I don't know what's involved

3189
02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:34,479
with that portion of it. Uh,

3190
02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:36,080
yeah, that that I would have to look

3191
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:37,760
into, but I mean

3192
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:39,519
>> I mean, if that's possible in all

3193
02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:41,599
practical means, I think that totally

3194
02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:43,120
makes sense. We're going to be

3195
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:44,639
responding to that. we're going to be

3196
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:47,120
putting utilities to that etc. So, um,

3197
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:49,040
>> we can we can always say no, we just get

3198
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,520
we get to the table. Just trying to put

3199
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:54,240
ourselves at the table like should have

3200
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:56,640
been our project 70 years ago. But

3201
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:59,520
anyhow, if we don't do it in watching

3202
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,359
what's going on at LAFCO attend

3203
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:03,040
attending the last year and a half of

3204
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:06,319
LAFCO meetings, I'm thinking that and I

3205
02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:07,600
could talked with the city attorney

3206
02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:10,640
about this so well as well in lining us

3207
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,720
up and making sure instead of being last

3208
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:14,160
at the trough like we've been so many

3209
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:16,399
times that we try to get maybe in front

3210
02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:18,560
of the trough this time. So that would

3211
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:22,080
be my motion if I could make one here.

3212
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:23,920
Huh? Do we need a motion for this

3213
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:26,479
recommendations?

3214
02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:28,479
Yeah, if you're going to direct staff to

3215
02:20:28,479 --> 02:20:30,000
get the process started to add these

3216
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:32,160
sites, then yes,

3217
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,880
>> I didn't get to. There we go.

3218
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:37,920
There was no pretty buttons.

3219
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:39,840
>> So, motion by myself and seconded by

3220
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:51,110
Starbucks. Let's go ahead and vote.

3221
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:57,910
When I pass 5 Z.

3222
02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:03,990
Thank you, Mr. Stones.

3223
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:05,920
You get another one, Ben. Oh, no. This

3224
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:08,000
is the city attorney.

3225
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:11,200
>> Well, I was going to do the

3226
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:12,720
>> presentation for him and then he can

3227
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:13,200
check.

3228
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:17,359
>> Okay. It's called the Stone Show, huh?

3229
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:18,319
>> All right.

3230
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:21,200
>> Rolling Stone. So this is regarding a a

3231
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:22,880
short presentation regarding the Santa

3232
02:21:22,880 --> 02:21:24,800
Barbara County associate association

3233
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:28,160
government's SPAG the 20 25 to 26

3234
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:31,840
regional growth forecast. Uh

3235
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:35,840
on June 25th, 2026, SPAG approved the

3236
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:39,120
2520 through 2060 regional growth

3237
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:42,080
forecast estimates. And as indicated,

3238
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:44,399
the attached report from SPAG. The

3239
02:21:44,399 --> 02:21:46,800
regional growth forecast provides long

3240
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:48,399
range estimates of population,

3241
02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:50,960
households, and employment through60.

3242
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:53,120
And these forecasts serve as technical

3243
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:55,600
input to inform support future long

3244
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:57,920
range transportation planning, land use

3245
02:21:57,920 --> 02:21:59,439
modeling, future housing related

3246
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:01,840
planning such as regional housing needs

3247
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:04,800
assessment arena process, California

3248
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:06,399
equality act analysis and the

3249
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:08,000
development of the regional

3250
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:11,920
transportation plan slash sustainable

3251
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,479
community strategy uh document as

3252
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:19,040
required by Senate Bill SB 375.

3253
02:22:19,040 --> 02:22:23,359
So if uh you could go to PDF page two on

3254
02:22:23,359 --> 02:22:25,600
there. So I'll kind of show some of the

3255
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:27,359
graphs that they provided in this

3256
02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:31,040
document from SPAG

3257
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:33,520
uh specifically with LMPoke. You can see

3258
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:38,160
there, this is um showing that the um

3259
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:40,000
that the estimates forecast that Santa

3260
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:42,560
Barbara County will add approximately

3261
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:44,319
75,460

3262
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:47,120
residents

3263
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:52,000
between 25 and uh 20 uh 2060

3264
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:55,280
and that uh the population forecast also

3265
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:58,720
shows that for LMPoke it's increasing by

3266
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:00,399
11,790

3267
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:04,800
about 27% and the households by 4,640

3268
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:08,240
about 33% in that range.

3269
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:13,750
And

3270
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:16,319
may I borrow the better laser pointer,

3271
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:26,550
please?

3272
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:28,240
So, right in there is where where it

3273
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,600
shows for long poke.

3274
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:37,750
And if you could go to page 10.

3275
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:41,280
So this is also showing the various

3276
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:44,000
yeah right there. Uh the various growths

3277
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:47,680
between 25 and 60 for city of law poke

3278
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:50,160
right here. So in 25 they're projecting

3279
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:52,160
this population. So these are population

3280
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:56,870
increases all the way up to60.

3281
02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:58,880
The household data can be found on page

3282
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:05,110
11.

3283
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:06,960
So this is the household data. Here's

3284
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:10,469
LMPoke.

3285
02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:20,870
The employment data is from page 12.

3286
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:23,760
Yeah, a little further down.

3287
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:26,240
About right there. So right here, this

3288
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:34,710
is the employment data increases.

3289
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:37,200
And then as noted by SB KAG, uh the

3290
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:39,200
regional growth forecast document is a

3291
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:41,439
planning tool that reflects information

3292
02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:44,399
at time time of preparation rather than

3293
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:46,240
a precise prediction of future

3294
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:48,960
conditions and it uh and that the

3295
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:51,040
forecast is monitored for consistency

3296
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:52,800
with other forecasts and updated as

3297
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:54,640
necessary to ensure it provides the most

3298
02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:56,960
accurate assessment of future growth.

3299
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:58,880
that was indicated in the report. And of

3300
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:01,760
course, piggybacking for us, we have our

3301
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,080
upcoming general plan 2050. And as a

3302
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:06,319
part of that environmental document when

3303
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:09,840
it eventually comes out, um I'll make

3304
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:11,600
sure we share share it with them because

3305
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:15,200
we may come up with different law

3306
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:20,479
specific um um stats. So that that

3307
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:23,200
concludes my presentation. Thanks.

3308
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,439
>> Yeah. So Greg, thank you for this. I

3309
02:25:25,439 --> 02:25:27,760
mean, as the rep to SPAG, I thought it

3310
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:31,359
was important that the whole council

3311
02:25:31,359 --> 02:25:34,080
see these numbers that are out there and

3312
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:36,720
my area of concern

3313
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:38,399
is that they're not recognizing what's

3314
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:40,960
going on at the base. And we hear that

3315
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:43,120
there's 10,000 jobs coming seven, eight

3316
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:45,680
miles away from us. And even even with

3317
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:47,359
the jobs that are in here, that's not

3318
02:25:47,359 --> 02:25:50,319
even showing that. Likewise, if you if

3319
02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:54,080
you look at the um the um household

3320
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:55,840
projection graph and you see where we

3321
02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:58,160
are,

3322
02:25:58,160 --> 02:25:59,760
if if we accomplish what are supposed to

3323
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:03,520
accomplish in Arena in the next 5 years,

3324
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:05,200
we're going to be at 2050 numbers

3325
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:06,800
already,

3326
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:09,520
right? Adding 2400 homes on there, a

3327
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:10,560
little bit under there, somewhere

3328
02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:14,080
between 45 and 50. So, it's not really

3329
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:17,120
recognizing even what we're trying to

3330
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:19,680
move forward with,

3331
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:21,680
nor the potential demand that's well,

3332
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,399
the demand that's happening at the base.

3333
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:27,040
And I brought that up to them and for

3334
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:30,160
some reason they don't want to hear it.

3335
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:32,000
But if people think there's a rental

3336
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:34,800
shortage right now, if there's 10,000

3337
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:36,240
jobs sitting out there, where do you

3338
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:37,359
think those people are going to want to

3339
02:26:37,359 --> 02:26:39,439
live? Is it going to put so much

3340
02:26:39,439 --> 02:26:43,439
pressure on us that if we're not allowed

3341
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:46,240
to plan for this?

3342
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:48,080
You know, Santa Maria says, "Hey, we

3343
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:49,760
can't take them. They need to annex

3344
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:51,520
another thousand acres just to meet the

3345
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:54,560
arena." Let alone with that Orcut's, you

3346
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:56,640
know, kind of in a quagmire of what

3347
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:57,520
they're going to do, where they're going

3348
02:26:57,520 --> 02:26:59,520
to get more water from. You know, the

3349
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:01,600
Richard's Ranch

3350
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:02,880
battle that's been going on. I don't

3351
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:03,920
know if how many people have been

3352
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:05,840
watching that one, but that's a big

3353
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:07,359
battle that's been going on there. and

3354
02:27:07,359 --> 02:27:08,800
now it's not a project because the

3355
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:10,720
county and the developer couldn't decide

3356
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:13,840
on tax sharing agreements.

3357
02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:15,359
So that means the pressure is going to

3358
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:18,000
be put on us.

3359
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:19,680
What are we going to do? But if my

3360
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:20,960
concern is because they're not

3361
02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:24,240
recognizing what even we know what we

3362
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:27,120
know what's going to happen.

3363
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:28,640
Some people think don't think the base

3364
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:30,960
is going to happen.

3365
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:32,560
The people at the base say it's going to

3366
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:35,680
happen. So

3367
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:39,040
that's that's my big concern is that we

3368
02:27:39,040 --> 02:27:41,760
need to address this.

3369
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,000
Not only I think the document needs to

3370
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:45,280
be corrected and people say well what's

3371
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:47,280
it matter what they say what's it matter

3372
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:49,040
is when you go to try to do the growth

3373
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:51,120
they look at the SPAG document the SPG

3374
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:52,560
says well you're not growing it says so

3375
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:54,640
in the document even though the demand

3376
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:56,800
to move and these documents become

3377
02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:59,760
circular what I found out SPAG uses your

3378
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:02,319
document you might use their document

3379
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:04,560
and we kind of go around and around I

3380
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:06,720
know you were fighting for more numbers

3381
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,840
with them with the 2050 plan and they

3382
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:10,560
were kind of ignoring [clears throat]

3383
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:12,880
what you were

3384
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:14,319
So, I'm very frustrated what they're

3385
02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:16,800
telling you and what they're even

3386
02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:18,880
telling me and they're telling everybody

3387
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:21,280
else. So,

3388
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:22,800
that's why I'm trying to get some

3389
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:24,880
momentum here to help support what we

3390
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:29,590
know is happening in our valley.

3391
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:34,070
Council member Bridge,

3392
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:36,800
I think you and I have opposite concerns

3393
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:39,439
on this. So the base is listed as a

3394
02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:42,080
separate number, right?

3395
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:44,640
For the population, I think when we were

3396
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:50,469
looking at jobs, for example,

3397
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:53,600
page 12. Thought I saw some element of

3398
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:55,439
they called it the Loke Valley or

3399
02:28:55,439 --> 02:28:58,710
something.

3400
02:28:58,720 --> 02:29:00,160
Yeah, there you go. So the base is

3401
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:02,000
there.

3402
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:04,160
I agree with the mayor that that's

3403
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:07,359
significantly under scoped based on what

3404
02:29:07,359 --> 02:29:10,080
the base is saying.

3405
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:12,160
Um

3406
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:15,040
my concern is

3407
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:16,960
these numbers are going to roll roll

3408
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:20,399
right into the next arena cycle

3409
02:29:20,399 --> 02:29:23,359
and

3410
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:27,280
we have one of the highest gross rates

3411
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:31,359
planned. I I I think uh Santaia might be

3412
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:35,568
higher in number but not in percentage.

3413
02:29:35,568 --> 02:29:37,200
[snorts] Um

3414
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:41,750
we're going to add 11,790

3415
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:45,280
citizens. That would be a fourth of our

3416
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:48,319
town. That would be the equivalent of I

3417
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:51,280
don't know 25 30

3418
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:52,800
maybe longer. Um

3419
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:54,240
>> that's 35 years.

3420
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:57,359
>> Yeah. Um, I just don't believe these

3421
02:29:57,359 --> 02:30:00,319
numbers. Um, and I'm [snorts] concerned

3422
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:02,479
they're going to roll into Rena and

3423
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:04,720
we'll we'll just they'll be wanting

3424
02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:06,479
highrises in here cuz you're right,

3425
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,399
they're coming.

3426
02:30:08,399 --> 02:30:12,800
But we're that infill map that you just

3427
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:15,439
had up here a moment ago is a direct

3428
02:30:15,439 --> 02:30:17,600
result of us trying to meet Rena

3429
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:20,960
numbers. And that's why they put the

3430
02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:23,600
Elks in and put Cher parking lots. and I

3431
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:25,920
agree with everything you said there.

3432
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:28,479
Um,

3433
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:30,960
so I don't want to oppose what you're

3434
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:32,880
trying to do.

3435
02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:34,960
I think perhaps what we ought to do is

3436
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:37,120
put in a public request for information

3437
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:40,399
through the attorney and uh find out

3438
02:30:40,399 --> 02:30:43,280
what the hell they built these on.

3439
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,600
Um, and there we could challenge the

3440
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:47,680
base assumptions.

3441
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:50,000
We could express serious concerns about

3442
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:52,800
the numbers without having to argue

3443
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:54,160
about whether we think they're too high

3444
02:30:54,160 --> 02:30:56,720
or too low. We can just say we have

3445
02:30:56,720 --> 02:30:58,960
serious concern that the numbers are

3446
02:30:58,960 --> 02:31:01,840
valid and shouldn't be used as a basis

3447
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:05,680
in LFCO's assessments. I think that

3448
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:07,920
would accomplish what you're trying to

3449
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,800
achieve. And then we ask for the models

3450
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:13,280
and we go look at what the models say. I

3451
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:15,280
know when I went through the last brea

3452
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:18,880
cycle and looked at the models, I found

3453
02:31:18,880 --> 02:31:22,000
what I considered fatal flaws for uh

3454
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:24,479
Lombpoke and I was able to use that

3455
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:26,000
justification

3456
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:28,640
to uh change the assigned numbers and

3457
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:30,479
the spread.

3458
02:31:30,479 --> 02:31:32,000
Um

3459
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:34,080
so I really don't want to fight you on

3460
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:35,359
what you're trying to do because I agree

3461
02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:37,680
with what you're trying to do. I just

3462
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,840
have a little different

3463
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:41,920
I've probably been burned by these kinds

3464
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:47,439
of things in a different manner than you have. So perhaps we express

3465
02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:49,359
concern. We have a letter go out and

3466
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:51,680
that says we don't agree with these

3467
02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:54,160
numbers. we don't have to specify that

3468
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:55,600
you think they should be higher and I

3469
02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:58,240
think they're maybe lower and ask for

3470
02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:01,280
the models and then we have some when we

3471
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:04,560
go to laugh go we can we can uh

3472
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:07,120
criticize the models if they were flawed

3473
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:11,680
so that that's where I'm at on that

3474
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:13,439
counc

3475
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:15,040
I don't necessarily disagree with some

3476
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:18,080
of this I think again a lot of this is

3477
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:20,560
hopefully smart speculation to a point

3478
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:22,640
but again I'm Somebody's probably got

3479
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:24,080
their interest in things. Can you go

3480
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:25,359
back? There was like one of the first

3481
02:32:25,359 --> 02:32:27,359
slides that had numbers on it. Bunch of

3482
02:32:27,359 --> 02:32:29,120
black and white stuff. It had

3483
02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:30,160
>> page two.

3484
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:32,240
>> Sorry.

3485
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:35,120
Uh let's see.

3486
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:37,920
Maybe one before that.

3487
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:39,680
>> Oh no, that that's the one right there.

3488
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:43,120
So uh when I look at again just here and

3489
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:44,399
Dean, I'm going to ask you a question on

3490
02:32:44,399 --> 02:32:47,040
this. So when you're looking at numbers,

3491
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,359
so for me, I'm going to compare LMPoke

3492
02:32:49,359 --> 02:32:52,640
and Santa Barbara City. So it looks it

3493
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:54,560
in layman's terms it looks like they're

3494
02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:56,240
projecting that Santa Barbara is barely

3495
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:59,680
going to grow, right? 6% versus 27%

3496
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:02,479
growth. And then when I get over to

3497
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:05,760
employment I see that Santa Barbara City

3498
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:08,640
is they're going to grow by roughly

3499
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:11,439
17,000 jobs and Lombok's going to grow

3500
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:14,640
by 2,350.

3501
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:16,319
So I guess again that maybe that just

3502
02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:18,800
goes back into that discussion like are

3503
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:21,600
we going to become by those numbers

3504
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:23,600
we're going to become even more of a

3505
02:33:23,600 --> 02:33:25,760
bedroom community where everyone has to

3506
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:28,319
live here and we don't have enough room

3507
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:29,760
for them but they do get to work in

3508
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:32,160
Santa Barbara. Dean, would you agree

3509
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:36,800
with that? Right. So again I

3510
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:39,120
no one knows the exact answer here. It

3511
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:40,800
just frustrates me looking at this

3512
02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:44,800
saying we're going to basically have

3513
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:46,160
compared to the amount of people that

3514
02:33:46,160 --> 02:33:48,160
are going to move in over time, there's

3515
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:50,399
they're already locking in that we just

3516
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:53,200
won't have many jobs. Um that we will be

3517
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:55,680
a commuter town. So again, however you

3518
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:57,439
guys want to push back on that, I think

3519
02:33:57,439 --> 02:34:00,880
it's fair. Um and again, that's just one

3520
02:34:00,880 --> 02:34:03,120
little area where I'm drawing the

3521
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:05,120
contrast between a couple places. I

3522
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:06,960
think we're all saying relatively the

3523
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:08,880
same thing that

3524
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:11,040
It seems uh seems a little skewed

3525
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:14,000
against us as far as the the growth here

3526
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:17,200
considering that if we're pushed to have

3527
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:19,520
this be the final number, we will have

3528
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:21,840
that amount of growth. Again, I agree

3529
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:23,359
that the state might come back and say,

3530
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:25,040
"Well, your numbers, you're supposed to

3531
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:26,800
have reo numbers that catch up with

3532
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:29,520
these projections." And that's where I I

3533
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:31,359
don't know. I I feel like there's a if

3534
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:33,200
we could gain a little bit of clarity or

3535
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:36,160
get some of the source um reasoning for

3536
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:37,359
some of this, I don't know. I'd be

3537
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:39,200
curious. Uh it frustrates me that Santa

3538
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:41,200
Barbara City, yes, they're hemmed in.

3539
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:42,000
They don't have a lot of room for

3540
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:43,680
growth, but welcome to LMPO. That's

3541
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:46,560
we're they don't let us grow either, but

3542
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:47,840
they're saying we're going to grow that

3543
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:49,520
much. So, I don't know. Just bugs me a

3544
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:53,190
little bit.

3545
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:54,640
Well, in conversation with county

3546
02:34:54,640 --> 02:34:56,319
supervisors, they would support us to

3547
02:34:56,319 --> 02:34:59,600
have workforce housing

3548
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:01,520
for commuters to go down there, work in

3549
02:35:01,520 --> 02:35:03,359
their jobs. They actually wanted to put

3550
02:35:03,359 --> 02:35:05,359
a high-speed train out here so the

3551
02:35:05,359 --> 02:35:06,640
people in Monpo could get down there

3552
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:09,600
faster to go to work. My push back is if

3553
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:11,040
we harvest the jobs that are in our

3554
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:14,240
valley, meaning those at the base, yeah,

3555
02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:17,280
sure, they're commuting seven miles, but

3556
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,760
growing up here that was we were

3557
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:22,000
connected. So, my objective is to

3558
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:25,040
connect us with them. um when you when

3559
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:26,399
you do the math and see what we should

3560
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:28,479
have been like the Bailey corridor and

3561
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:32,319
other arguments that we have um and

3562
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:33,840
other expansion areas where we've tried

3563
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:35,520
to go,

3564
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:36,880
we would have been at these numbers a

3565
02:35:36,880 --> 02:35:40,399
long time ago. Um but we've been said no

3566
02:35:40,399 --> 02:35:43,200
and 26 years we've had a negative

3567
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:45,439
population growth. According to the GAN

3568
02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:47,600
report that we just recently filed, we

3569
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:49,520
had a negative population growth in 26

3570
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:52,319
years. And a lot of this is because how

3571
02:35:52,319 --> 02:35:54,720
they're aligning these documents up and

3572
02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:57,840
how they're attacking us, not allowing

3573
02:35:57,840 --> 02:36:00,960
us to go and expand. And and what I'm

3574
02:36:00,960 --> 02:36:03,600
trying to do is I'm forecasting what I

3575
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:05,920
see and they hold against us. And if

3576
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:07,520
it's not in there, they go, "Well, you

3577
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:10,319
weren't planning on this, so therefore

3578
02:36:10,319 --> 02:36:12,640
you can't have this." So that's what I'm

3579
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:16,080
trying to say. So, you know, maybe

3580
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:17,760
um let me take public comment. Do you

3581
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:19,439
guys any more questions for Greg? get

3582
02:36:19,439 --> 02:36:21,840
public comment and see Victor's already

3583
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:23,120
ready to go. So, we'll try to roll this

3584
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,280
up fast, buddy. We'll get you. We'll get

3585
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:27,439
you home before you turn into a pumpkin.

3586
02:36:27,439 --> 02:36:27,920
Okay.

3587
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:28,880
>> It's not all you.

3588
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:31,520
>> We'll get you there, buddy. Any know any

3589
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:32,880
other questions for Greg? Let me open

3590
02:36:32,880 --> 02:36:35,280
for public comment on this.

3591
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:36,640
Do we have him lining up on the phone

3592
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:40,000
over there for us yet? No. In the

3593
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:41,840
We need the Jerry Lewis teleathon going

3594
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:45,520
on here or something, right?

3595
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:48,800
the Gonzalez resident lumpo that 2300

3596
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:50,960
number. I don't know where they pulled

3597
02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:54,080
that out. I sat in a meeting. Council

3598
02:36:54,080 --> 02:36:56,240
member Ball was present. Supervisor

3599
02:36:56,240 --> 02:36:59,120
Harmon was present. The colonel stood up

3600
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:01,760
in the room and he didn't say if. He

3601
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:04,800
said it was happening.

3602
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:09,680
And point blank, we're getting 10,000

3603
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:13,920
plus jobs by 2030.

3604
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:16,479
And so for the system of government to

3605
02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:18,080
put out a number like that, I'm just

3606
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:20,160
baffled. I'm taken back. I'm like, whoa,

3607
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:23,920
how we talk about needing to fulfill the

3608
02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:28,479
needs of the community and being able to

3609
02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:32,640
support our city and our city staff.

3610
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:34,960
This needs to be fixed.

3611
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:38,080
If you fail to fix this,

3612
02:37:38,080 --> 02:37:41,439
there's no way we can fix this.

3613
02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:45,280
You cannot do one without the other.

3614
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,080
This should be priority number one is to

3615
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:50,800
get all the legal documents

3616
02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:55,120
from Reno to the SPAG documents to align

3617
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:57,200
with what we're being told is going to

3618
02:37:57,200 --> 02:37:58,960
happen.

3619
02:37:58,960 --> 02:38:02,800
I bet you a million dollars right now on

3620
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:04,960
the spot that if you allow this to go

3621
02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:07,120
down the pipe

3622
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:10,080
three, four, five years from now, this

3623
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:11,359
is going to be the basis for the

3624
02:38:11,359 --> 02:38:15,120
litigation or the turndown or the denial

3625
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:16,960
of annexations

3626
02:38:16,960 --> 02:38:20,160
of growth of additional transportation

3627
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:22,800
fund. You name it, this is going to be

3628
02:38:22,800 --> 02:38:25,040
the guiding document because that's how

3629
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:28,640
the system works. And so I think that

3630
02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:31,439
you all have to get together and whether

3631
02:38:31,439 --> 02:38:33,920
it's writing a letter of protest,

3632
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:36,960
demanding complete evaluation of the

3633
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:39,040
model, whatever it is that you need to

3634
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:44,000
do, we absolutely need to ensure that

3635
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:47,280
the changes at Vandenberg are not only

3636
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:48,800
impacted

3637
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:52,240
there and you know, think about the

3638
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:54,560
money multi the money multiplier impact

3639
02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:56,880
that it's going to

3640
02:38:56,880 --> 02:38:58,399
You're going to have the impact even at

3641
02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:00,319
Vandenberg, Council Member Bridge. But

3642
02:39:00,319 --> 02:39:02,319
what's that overlap? 10,000 jobs at

3643
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:03,760
Vandenberg. How many more jobs are they

3644
02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:05,359
going to make within this community? You

3645
02:39:05,359 --> 02:39:07,760
know, a typical money multiplier is five

3646
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:10,479
times, fivefold as a dollar goes through

3647
02:39:10,479 --> 02:39:13,910
the economy.

3648
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:16,479
We can't even begin to fathom what

3649
02:39:16,479 --> 02:39:18,800
potential impact this can be. So, let's

3650
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:21,120
get this right and not let them do what

3651
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:22,960
they've done to us for the last 25

3652
02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:27,520
years. Thank you. Anybody

3653
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:33,349
else? [snorts]

3654
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:38,640
Still nobody on teams or phones or

3655
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:40,800
>> There's no public comment via teams or

3656
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:41,600
audio. All

3657
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:43,200
>> right. See, nobody else rise for public

3658
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:45,120
comment. Close public comment. Bring it

3659
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:49,670
back to the council. Councilor Bridge.

3660
02:39:49,680 --> 02:39:52,640
» Um I'm in violent agreement with what

3661
02:39:52,640 --> 02:39:56,080
you said there. um we have a large

3662
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:58,479
government agency saying that's going to

3663
02:39:58,479 --> 02:40:00,319
happen.

3664
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:02,240
There is a contingency in the community

3665
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:05,600
that say we've been through this before.

3666
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:07,359
Um

3667
02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:10,720
but my experience through the last arena

3668
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:13,760
process which is limited there's no

3669
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:14,800
question about that. But I don't have

3670
02:40:14,800 --> 02:40:17,200
the depth of some of the other folks.

3671
02:40:17,200 --> 02:40:18,720
But

3672
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:21,680
until I could get the models

3673
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:25,840
and show the flaws,

3674
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:29,520
SPAG was not listening.

3675
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,080
The the groups would meet and they had

3676
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:34,800
their consultants and their consultants

3677
02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:38,160
had their ideas and they were right.

3678
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:43,359
Um, so I am all for sending a letter of

3679
02:40:43,359 --> 02:40:46,880
formal protest that this document is

3680
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:49,520
invalid. It isn't appropriate and I

3681
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:52,800
don't need to specify why I think that

3682
02:40:52,800 --> 02:40:56,319
or what numbers I think are bad. Um, and

3683
02:40:56,319 --> 02:40:58,080
I think we should do a public request

3684
02:40:58,080 --> 02:41:00,240
and get the models.

3685
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:02,080
Then we could immediately attack the

3686
02:41:02,080 --> 02:41:04,479
base numbers and we'd have some validity

3687
02:41:04,479 --> 02:41:07,359
from the base. And I think that feeds

3688
02:41:07,359 --> 02:41:11,120
into where you're trying to go. Um, and

3689
02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:14,399
we can put aside whether I agree there's

3690
02:41:14,399 --> 02:41:17,359
going to be 4,000 new houses or not. I I

3691
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:19,200
think

3692
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,120
um we need to set the stage for the

3693
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:23,760
laughco battle and not have a battle up

3694
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:26,160
here. Um so that would be my

3695
02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:28,800
recommendation.

3696
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:31,040
>> Yeah. So just remember we built out this

3697
02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:33,840
wastewater plant anticipating this as

3698
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:34,640
well. Y.

3699
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:37,040
>> So that that was a plan. That's why we

3700
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:39,359
are where we are with 60% capacity.

3701
02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:41,359
That's including Vanderberg and the

3702
02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:44,240
village and we're only at 60%. So we

3703
02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:45,520
built a wastewater plant that could

3704
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:47,520
probably take at least 40,000 more

3705
02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:50,000
people. We're anticipating this a long

3706
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:50,560
time ago.

3707
02:41:50,560 --> 02:41:52,479
>> I'm all for that. I'm all for annexation

3708
02:41:52,479 --> 02:41:53,760
and um

3709
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:54,160
>> anyhow,

3710
02:41:54,160 --> 02:41:55,760
>> and I'm willing to volunteer time to

3711
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:57,840
work on those models, but I don't think

3712
02:41:57,840 --> 02:41:58,880
you're going to you're going to be

3713
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:00,640
hollering at a hole if

3714
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:01,920
>> there's a reason why I feel there's a

3715
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:03,280
significant flaw. That's why I brought

3716
02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:04,000
this back.

3717
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,040
>> Yeah.

3718
02:42:05,040 --> 02:42:06,479
>> Council member B.

3719
02:42:06,479 --> 02:42:08,880
>> Yeah. So, I don't necessarily disagree.

3720
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:11,520
I I'm okay with us as a city sending

3721
02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:14,240
some sort of protest uh letter, but I

3722
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:16,080
guess my request, and you guys can

3723
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:20,880
motion towards it however you want. Um,

3724
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:23,840
we can be right and get nothing. I would

3725
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:26,399
like to include some very general like,

3726
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:28,960
hey, here's why your speculative numbers

3727
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:31,040
are so far off. We're not trying to pick

3728
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:32,399
a fight. We're just saying here's what

3729
02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:34,319
we're hearing on the ground. This is the

3730
02:42:34,319 --> 02:42:36,800
practical way it's shaking out on our

3731
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:39,439
side. Um and then I don't mind you want

3732
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:40,960
to get the studies or get some more

3733
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:43,760
information. Um but I think ultimately

3734
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:45,680
we're looking for SPAG to just treat us

3735
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:48,319
equitably um based upon the set of

3736
02:42:48,319 --> 02:42:49,840
circumstances that we all know are

3737
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:52,560
happening um in proximity to LMPoke. So

3738
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:54,399
again, I would just ask for us to kind

3739
02:42:54,399 --> 02:42:55,840
of help them understand where we're

3740
02:42:55,840 --> 02:42:58,080
coming from and then say how did you

3741
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:00,160
come up with these numbers would be my

3742
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:01,200
hope. So the

3743
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:02,720
>> well we could certainly start with the

3744
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:03,920
base numbers.

3745
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:05,520
>> So let me let me um

3746
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:07,200
>> and we just let me finish there for a

3747
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:10,479
second and we could certainly uh strike

3748
02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:12,880
blow on the workforce force housing

3749
02:43:12,880 --> 02:43:16,560
imbalance. So we do have even if we want

3750
02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:18,319
to stay benign.

3751
02:43:18,319 --> 02:43:21,760
>> So let me let me make this uh request

3752
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:25,359
and strategically to go by uh with this

3753
02:43:25,359 --> 02:43:27,280
as as a motion. I think you can send

3754
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:29,040
down any question for Mr. Stones.

3755
02:43:29,040 --> 02:43:31,120
Anybody? Thank you for Courtney. I know

3756
02:43:31,120 --> 02:43:32,720
it's a lot of good stuff to sit down and

3757
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:37,120
read, huh? Thank you. Um, so making a a

3758
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:39,200
motion that aligns with this. First, we

3759
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:40,960
gather information from the base where

3760
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:43,200
they're recognizing their numbers that

3761
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:45,520
they have. supply this information with

3762
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:49,600
SPAG, asking him directly about this

3763
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:52,720
document and other documents relating to

3764
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:55,439
the population and housing and jobs

3765
02:43:55,439 --> 02:43:57,359
growth

3766
02:43:57,359 --> 02:43:59,439
and how they came up with the model and

3767
02:43:59,439 --> 02:44:02,560
the numbers they did as maybe why they

3768
02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:05,200
don't recognize

3769
02:44:05,200 --> 02:44:07,600
what the base is saying.

3770
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:10,640
So with multiple

3771
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:12,160
I I don't think it'd be difficult to get

3772
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:14,560
something from the base. they've been

3773
02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:19,040
singing the song pretty heavy. So maybe that we could recognize that again

3774
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:20,960
and asking

3775
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:22,800
maybe they have a justification saying

3776
02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:24,000
we're not going to get hardly any

3777
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:27,760
growth. But um as as first steps and

3778
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:30,160
then we can bring it back to us and make

3779
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:31,680
a decision if there's more that we want

3780
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:34,880
to do to try to get them to make a

3781
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:38,720
change. But they kept telling me. So

3782
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:42,880
anyhow, they kept telling me that they were getting what

3783
02:44:42,880 --> 02:44:45,279
Mr. Stones was sending them and and

3784
02:44:45,279 --> 02:44:46,160
that's why they said they weren't

3785
02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:47,840
growth. Then he showed me that email

3786
02:44:47,840 --> 02:44:49,680
saying, "No, this is what I showed them

3787
02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:51,120
and they didn't want to recognize what

3788
02:44:51,120 --> 02:44:54,160
he was saying. So I don't get it. If

3789
02:44:54,160 --> 02:44:55,600
we're not going to listen to they're not

3790
02:44:55,600 --> 02:44:56,479
going to listen to our plan, who are

3791
02:44:56,479 --> 02:44:58,960
they listening to?"

3792
02:44:58,960 --> 02:45:02,319
So anyhow, that's my deal. So you follow

3793
02:45:02,319 --> 02:45:05,040
the multiple steps that I'm looking for.

3794
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:06,479
I follow. Yes.

3795
02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:08,560
>> Okay. I know it's long and lengthy what

3796
02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:10,720
I'm asking for and I again I appreciate

3797
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:12,960
I know Mr. Stone I first I thought they

3798
02:45:12,960 --> 02:45:15,120
were blaming him and I said what what

3799
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:16,479
did you do? Then he shows me an email

3800
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:19,200
goes no I was looking for 8,000. I told

3801
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:22,960
him what was going on and anyhow well

3802
02:45:22,960 --> 02:45:25,120
let's help you fight a little bit. I

3803
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:26,560
maybe I shouldn't say the word fight.

3804
02:45:26,560 --> 02:45:28,560
Some people get sensitive about that.

3805
02:45:28,560 --> 02:45:31,920
Anyhow, so there's my motion.

3806
02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:33,040
I would I would

3807
02:45:33,040 --> 02:45:34,160
>> second by bridge.

3808
02:45:34,160 --> 02:45:37,359
>> One modification that we

3809
02:45:37,359 --> 02:45:39,520
>> I would second.

3810
02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:40,960
>> You didn't try to turn it on.

3811
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:41,920
>> There you go.

3812
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:44,319
>> I would second the motion with uh one

3813
02:45:44,319 --> 02:45:45,840
addition

3814
02:45:45,840 --> 02:45:48,720
that it includes a formal request for

3815
02:45:48,720 --> 02:45:51,200
the electronic models.

3816
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:54,319
Um so that would be a public request for

3817
02:45:54,319 --> 02:45:56,080
information.

3818
02:45:56,080 --> 02:45:57,760
>> I see we can get that. See if they have

3819
02:45:57,760 --> 02:45:59,840
something. I don't know. Maybe it's

3820
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:01,840
>> all right. We good. It's a motion to

3821
02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:09,349
second. Let's go ahead and vote.

3822
02:46:09,359 --> 02:46:12,399
It passes 5-0.

3823
02:46:12,399 --> 02:46:14,479
All right.

3824
02:46:14,479 --> 02:46:15,920
You have something else, Mr. Bridge.

3825
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:19,510
Council Bridge.

3826
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:21,359
Okay.

3827
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:23,920
All right.

3828
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:28,790
Brings us on to written communications.

3829
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:31,439
Any written communications? We received

3830
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:34,880
no written re written communications.

3831
02:46:34,880 --> 02:46:38,000
>> Very good. Oral communications is your

3832
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:40,080
last two minute. Yell scream at us as

3833
02:46:40,080 --> 02:46:42,640
much as you want.

3834
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:46,160
No. Okay. Anybody on

3835
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:49,120
phone or teams or whatever?

3836
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:51,279
>> No additional public comment on teams or

3837
02:46:51,279 --> 02:46:51,920
audio.

3838
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:53,279
>> All right. See nobody else there. We'll

3839
02:46:53,279 --> 02:46:54,640
close oral communication. Bring on to

3840
02:46:54,640 --> 02:46:59,359
council comments and meeting reports,

3841
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:02,080
etc., etc.

3842
02:47:02,080 --> 02:47:05,269
>> Councor,

3843
02:47:05,279 --> 02:47:07,439
» nothing to report other than I'm just uh

3844
02:47:07,439 --> 02:47:09,439
really impressed with Oldtown Market. Uh

3845
02:47:09,439 --> 02:47:11,840
seen the mayor there. Um several friends

3846
02:47:11,840 --> 02:47:13,840
and neighbors. It's uh I think it's the

3847
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:16,080
biggest and best it's been so far. So,

3848
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:18,960
uh big props to the chamber for, uh

3849
02:47:18,960 --> 02:47:20,640
making such a fun event for families

3850
02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:22,399
here in town.

3851
02:47:22,399 --> 02:47:23,680
>> Yeah, you kept going getting pictures

3852
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:24,800
with me. I don't know what's going on

3853
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:26,240
with that, huh?

3854
02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:27,040
>> Be there next Friday.

3855
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:27,520
>> Next time.

3856
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:31,279
>> Next Friday. Heck yeah.

3857
02:47:31,279 --> 02:47:33,840
Council member Starbucks.

3858
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:35,040
>> No reports.

3859
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:38,550
>> Council,

3860
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,880
nothing to report. Council member

3861
02:47:40,880 --> 02:47:42,720
Bridge.

3862
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:44,399
I just have one item for the city

3863
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:47,120
manager. Um

3864
02:47:47,120 --> 02:47:49,359
a general reminder that we were promised

3865
02:47:49,359 --> 02:47:52,880
a schedule for the municipal update and

3866
02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:54,399
uh perhaps we could get that in the next

3867
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:56,800
session.

3868
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:59,200
Otherwise, no report for what was that?

3869
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:00,399
>> I know what he wants. He wants a

3870
02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:05,600
timeline on on the media code update

3871
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:07,359
visible update on the schedule for 4.

3872
02:48:07,359 --> 02:48:08,080
>> Oh, I got you.

3873
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:09,279
>> I thought we cried, but I'll make sure

3874
02:48:09,279 --> 02:48:11,760
we get that to take care of.

3875
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:14,399
>> Okay. So, my concern was we didn't get

3876
02:48:14,399 --> 02:48:15,680
our uh I don't know, maybe everybody

3877
02:48:15,680 --> 02:48:17,760
else did and I didn't. The future city

3878
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:20,240
council agenda items

3879
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:22,160
this time.

3880
02:48:22,160 --> 02:48:23,760
Are we just not Have you thrown them out

3881
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:25,760
already or what?

3882
02:48:25,760 --> 02:48:28,080
I don't know. Maybe.

3883
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:31,600
No, it was just a slip up.

3884
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:33,600
>> Yeah, I think it was.

3885
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:41,120
>> Okay. So, I'm going to make a because we got 24 items on here and

3886
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:42,960
I'm going to start doing this so that we

3887
02:48:42,960 --> 02:48:45,040
can get through some of these.

3888
02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:48,000
>> Great. Um, but I'm going to ask that we

3889
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:52,319
bring it back for um the council to

3890
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:54,319
bring back

3891
02:48:54,319 --> 02:48:56,000
at the next meeting. If you guys want to

3892
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:57,760
put it together, a staff report or not,

3893
02:48:57,760 --> 02:49:00,399
whatever. But we're going to, if I can

3894
02:49:00,399 --> 02:49:01,840
get two other people to support me,

3895
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:04,479
we're going to bring back a a review and

3896
02:49:04,479 --> 02:49:07,840
discussion of Riverbin Park uh master

3897
02:49:07,840 --> 02:49:10,160
plan and the soccer fields, and we're

3898
02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:11,600
bring it back to the council to bring

3899
02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:15,520
that. So, put that on the uh the list if

3900
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:17,040
you guys want to partake with us.

3901
02:49:17,040 --> 02:49:20,240
That'll be great, too. Um because that

3902
02:49:20,240 --> 02:49:22,880
was going to be on July 21st. Didn't

3903
02:49:22,880 --> 02:49:26,160
happen. Just saying. That was as a June

3904
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:27,680
17th.

3905
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:31,510
So, um

3906
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:33,920
I'm also Do you guys think at the next

3907
02:49:33,920 --> 02:49:37,279
meeting you can do the landfill fees?

3908
02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:39,200
If not, I'll just bring it back. But I'd

3909
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:41,439
like to see those two things come back

3910
02:49:41,439 --> 02:49:43,760
at the next meeting and that one should

3911
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:46,240
be relatively easy. You guys already

3912
02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:48,720
have the stuff. We can go forward. Could

3913
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:50,479
Can you do those things? Do I need to

3914
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:52,000
get two other Can I get two other head

3915
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:52,640
nods?

3916
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,160
>> I I think we can get both those on the

3917
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:55,279
next next meeting.

3918
02:49:55,279 --> 02:49:57,840
>> So, I got two other head nods that even

3919
02:49:57,840 --> 02:49:59,359
if you're not bringing them back, we're

3920
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:01,279
going to talk about them.

3921
02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:04,550
>> All right.

3922
02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:07,200
» Starbucks, I have you twice.

3923
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:08,640
>> All right. Starbucks and I got bridged

3924
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:12,080
twice. So I got correct. All right. So

3925
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:13,520
that and then and then there's one other

3926
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:15,040
thing that I wanted to provide to the

3927
02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:17,760
council and it was something presented

3928
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:20,240
to me uh way back when and it's

3929
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:24,960
something that is a hot hot topic and I

3930
02:50:24,960 --> 02:50:26,720
unfortunately I I don't have any ink and

3931
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:28,720
I this I'm only allowed little minimal

3932
02:50:28,720 --> 02:50:30,720
ink in my printer. So, I only printed

3933
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:34,720
one copy of this and um I just it's

3934
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:36,880
something that's been rumbling around a

3935
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:38,319
little bit and I just wanted to get it

3936
02:50:38,319 --> 02:50:40,880
out there and make it so it's public and

3937
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:42,560
I make it so the council can all get a

3938
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:44,640
copy of it as well. And it's actually a

3939
02:50:44,640 --> 02:50:49,359
May 5th, 2023 document. And this is um

3940
02:50:49,359 --> 02:50:54,160
shows plans that the uh county has on a

3941
02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:56,000
masterful

3942
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:58,240
um homeless shelter that they want to

3943
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:01,040
put in our property. So, and it has a

3944
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:03,840
letter as well from

3945
02:51:03,840 --> 02:51:07,040
the community service department and I

3946
02:51:07,040 --> 02:51:08,960
just think that it should be put out in

3947
02:51:08,960 --> 02:51:10,640
the public and you guys should all see

3948
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,160
what else is also going on out there.

3949
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:13,439
So, I will provide that with the clerk

3950
02:51:13,439 --> 02:51:18,560
and she can get copies to all of us and put it out there so the people can

3951
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:20,479
see this document.

3952
02:51:20,479 --> 02:51:22,160
And with that, anybody got anything

3953
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:25,279
else? We're going to adjourn to and

3954
02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:28,640
thank you to our uh fill in Shannon Mars

3955
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:31,120
for the clerk tonight. Appreciate you

3956
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:33,120
stepping up. And uh we'll adjourn to

3957
02:51:33,120 --> 02:51:50,950
6:30 uh August 4th, 2026.

3958
02:51:50,960 --> 02:51:57,030
Hey,

3959
02:51:57,040 --> 02:52:00,040
sure.