1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:09,440 I'll call the meeting to order >> and um 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:14,240 » Mike, if you want to vote for Jean >> and um Gary, if you can vote for the 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,520 empty spot. >> The empty spot. Okay. 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,760 » And um >> sounds like a 5 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:29,599 » So we have we have two DRC's, but nobody is coming to talk to us. Um so the first 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:37,000 one is the 44 and 36 Pillsbury. They're doing um 7 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:37,000 a subdivision and a condo conversion 8 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:44,960 and not sure which pictures I'm going to 9 00:00:42,879 --> 00:00:46,640 see. >> No. Was this 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,239 » It sounds like >> where they were having the 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,399 » property lines. We saw this. >> Well, 12 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:54,480 » didn't we sort it? >> Yeah. 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,640 » There's Laura Gandandy wrote us a letter. She 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,039 said, "Sorry, nobody's coming. This is what we're doing. 15 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:04,960 » Yeah, the letter looks like it's the same number of rentals and the same 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:09,600 number of sold of for sales. >> No, it's different by Let me get 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:15,040 glasses. >> Yeah, they they moved out 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:19,439 almost 100. No, almost a hundred went from 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:23,520 cottages to condos. >> Yeah, 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:28,320 » this is they were they were calling them cottage. Yeah, 21 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:32,079 » this is a good that go back to that when you just up there, Mike. That was a good 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:37,680 way to show it. >> So, 23 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:43,680 you remember that? It used to be there was this line that 24 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:46,560 was the 250 cottages >> rentals. 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:52,399 » Rental. Yeah, cottage rentals. >> Okay, that's 26 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:56,560 » And this here is going to be the 30 condos for sale. 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,960 Now they've taken this line and basically moved it like this. This 28 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:05,280 tortured >> little pretzel here. 29 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:09,759 » Is that where some of the drainage water is, though? 30 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:14,800 » All those cottages that were for rent are now going to be condos for sale. 31 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,080 » Okay. >> That's really what they're trying to 32 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,560 accomplish here. >> And by condos, are they individual 33 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,120 structures or >> Yeah, correct. They are. So, they're 34 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:26,239 still individual structures. >> Yes. You could go. 35 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:29,440 » And the one thing they carved out was that small plot or they're asking is 36 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:30,560 carve out the small plot where the pumping station is. 37 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:34,480 » Right. >> Y. Yeah. Right. 38 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:40,239 » And I don't know if you saw in the packet, one of one of the diagrams 39 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:45,840 showed this subdivision but with the units. So you see where the units are in 40 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,920 within that new subdom. >> Right. I think they stayed in the same 41 00:02:47,519 --> 00:02:52,000 place. >> They stayed in the same place but it's 42 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:56,720 hard to visualize without >> Yeah. Yeah. If you go back to the one 43 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:02,720 that's got all the units on it. >> Uh, not that one. 44 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:07,120 » Yeah, right there. >> And they all share the clubhouse that's 45 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:13,120 that right >> in the middle, 46 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:19,440 » the swimming pool. And they all all 310 of them with their estimated what 400 47 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:23,760 cars or so >> all use the same access road 48 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,360 » right there. >> So 49 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:30,159 » just a little bit before Michael's way with the new stoplight 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,799 » with the stoplight. >> So who's who's planning this? This is 51 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,879 ridiculous. This is what I've been talking about all along is why are they 52 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:40,239 not putting some sense into what's already there and how they fit it all 53 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,640 in. That just doesn't fit as far as I'm concerned. 54 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:45,920 » That doesn't make sense for that not to come out at a light if they're going to 55 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,319 put a light. >> Yeah. I mean, this doesn't show that. 56 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,000 But >> I thought they were going to come out 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:56,319 through also hubby or whatever the back road. Go ahead. 58 00:03:53,519 --> 00:04:00,840 » I think there'll be a crash gate there, >> but no 59 00:03:57,519 --> 00:04:00,840 » no entrance. 60 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:05,840 Yeah, looks like you can kind of see the top. 61 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:11,840 » Who who's planning this? The planning board or the developers or 62 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:15,519 » developers? But obviously planning board will be discussing it tomorrow night 63 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:20,959 » and they think this is the right way. Uh what I judging from the letter that 64 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:27,680 Laura wrote to us that they they have made a business 65 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:36,720 decision that they can make more money selling condos than renting cottages. 66 00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:44,639 So they're increasing the amount of >> condos at the expense of the cottages. 67 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:50,080 And there's really no thing I can see that would prevent them from five years 68 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:54,800 from now condoizing all the cottages, >> which was my 69 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,919 prediction is that they would eventually condize condominiumized them all. 70 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:04,160 » Yeah. Right. >> Like Mr. Ridge did. They started off as 71 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:09,039 all rentals and then w we can't make any money. We need to condo. It's 72 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,600 » ridiculous. Makes me very angry. So, but it's 73 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:17,280 » the the problem >> probably it's a smart move on their part 74 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:19,840 business-wise, but that's not really our issue. 75 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:24,800 » So, are they coming there's a road already there that the farm used to use 76 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:29,039 a long time ago. Is that the little hill road that they're coming down? 77 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:31,199 » They're going to come down this road, but Michael's hay is here, 78 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,280 » right? It's >> There's a road there. Yeah, there's a 79 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,280 road there. >> Very little road here. 80 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:40,240 » It's steep. >> I wonder because literally leads you in 81 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,800 front of the pond basically. >> Yeah. They're using the road that's 82 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:47,520 right beside the pump house construction. 83 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:49,600 » Yeah. I don't know. But it's it's going to come to it. 84 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:55,280 » But that that you know >> a tea with it 85 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,360 » and then way >> No, 86 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,960 » it's 100 yards or so. >> Well, I mean that's 87 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,160 there's going to be a traffic circle here. 88 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,840 » T would have been >> traffic circle. Well, I mean, a regular 89 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:12,560 intersection would have been preferable probably, right? But 90 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,840 » I'm sure planning and engineering has discussed this with them. So, we're not 91 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,440 I don't >> Well, they're just they're just letting 92 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:23,680 them walk all over the town of Londere. >> That's just too many. 93 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:31,120 » It's not what they promised in the beginning. supposed to be parks and 94 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:36,960 » well the those two plans that showed the original 250 plus 60 were approved by 95 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:39,360 the planning board and they are just working off their approved plans. 96 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:43,520 » Correct. >> All they're doing is changing the 97 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:48,800 ownership arrangement. the the problem that I see is that 98 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:55,280 um and I' I've mentioned this on many 99 00:06:51,680 --> 00:07:01,199 occasions other small people are you know talking about having a homeowners 100 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:08,720 association is the accountability. So if you are an o owner of a piece of land 101 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:14,400 that has 100 300 or 250 rental units on it, there's somebody to go after, right? 102 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:21,360 There's somebody that says, "Hey, um there there is pollutants that are 103 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:25,919 showing up in the duck t duck pond. M >> I think it's coming from your your your 104 00:07:23,599 --> 00:07:30,080 renters and and then you can probably force some action 105 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:35,120 with a condo association that potentially could just be you know a 106 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:43,919 board consisting of three of the residents there trying to manage 107 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:48,160 you know two 100 whatever be over 160 let's call it condo units. 108 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,400 It's a lot harder. How many units are there in the Neans? 109 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:52,880 37. >> Yeah. So, 110 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:55,680 » this is 310. >> There's five on the board. 111 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:57,520 » Well, but they're not all in the they're all not all 112 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:00,720 » condos. Condos >> condos. 113 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:05,599 » But somebody's got to manage the other side the the the rental, 114 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:12,000 » right? But what my argument or my concern I guess is that doing that from 115 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:18,319 the town's perspective and and enforcing the building code and the zoning is 116 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:24,599 easier to do when you're dealing with one owner rather than up to 310. 117 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:31,039 » You know, and and I look at it from the conservation perspective, you know, what 118 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:34,240 you know what happens when bad stuff starts happening there? But 119 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:39,039 » hey, >> it's 120 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:42,560 there obviously other things and I don't know how the fire department agrees to 121 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:49,920 this but >> well and that so that might be something 122 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:55,120 we'd offer as a comment is that it's important that many condos to have 123 00:08:52,720 --> 00:09:00,000 a functional condo association. So if there is stuff getting into the duck 124 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:03,360 pond, if they are infringing on the water as they're in there now, 125 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,959 » yeah, >> that we know who to talk to. 126 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:13,760 As you say, it can't it can't be three random members who happen to buy there, 127 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:17,920 » right? It's got to be better established than that 128 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:21,959 » because they do not have to observe the conservation overlay district 129 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:28,640 » because they're grandfathered in. >> Um, however, 130 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:34,560 » however, doing a subdivision like this might imp them to be 131 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:38,920 » Yeah, I think it would. >> I think it might. 132 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,920 » That would be convenient, 133 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:47,519 » right? It's not >> even though it's is it considered lot 134 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:52,720 line adjustment? >> A lot line adjustment is is a 135 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:56,959 subdivision in the eyes of the law. >> All right. So 136 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:02,240 » yeah, >> it's a good question now. 137 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:08,000 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's very appropriate. I think 138 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:15,200 we should ask whether it is the view of the planning officials that this 139 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:20,839 constitutes a subdivision which imposes conservation overlay district provisions 140 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,839 on it. 141 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:37,680 I think it'll only apply to the the larger parcel 142 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,360 on the east because it's still the the one 143 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:44,399 » that's considered existing. >> Yeah, they haven't. 144 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:48,240 Well, un when they once they add to the existing one, then it's not existing 145 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,640 anymore. So, no, I think it would apply to all of it. 146 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:30,480 Do we want to say something about um 147 00:11:27,839 --> 00:11:33,480 suggest rules in the condo association debt 148 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:42,279 » require a a professional management company, not not simply a homeowners 149 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:42,279 association. 150 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,200 » Well, and most things that size will get management. 151 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,880 » Yeah. But that there's no >> require there's 152 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:57,200 » And then I think a third one, third comment should be that um that should 153 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:01,440 keep when you're done. Write when I see you stop writing. Oh, 154 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,440 » thank you. 155 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:17,839 Go. The third comment would be that the 156 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:24,160 there should be something in the uh condo documents 157 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:32,079 maybe I think it's the condo documents that prohibits further condoization 158 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:37,200 of the remaining part of that parcel of the c remaining cottages. 159 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:41,040 » Why would you do that? so that there doesn't all become one 160 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,880 huge condo association. >> But I I think 161 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,519 » for the same reasons >> I think that's the ultimate plan. 162 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,760 » But do we have the right to do that? >> Yeah, I think that's 163 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:52,000 » I don't I don't know >> because I think I think 164 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:57,760 » let's do it another way. asked the question when the pl when the planning 165 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:06,399 board approved uh this plan for 250 condo cottages, 166 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:16,399 did they rely on any statements implied or given that 167 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:21,600 that approval would increase the amount of affordable housing 168 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:26,800 in London? And the reason I asked is because it's a 169 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:30,079 lot easier people that there's a reason that young people all rent instead of 170 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:34,800 live in houses because they can't afford the down payment. They can't afford to 171 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:41,680 put the money up front. >> So we we had an opportunity here to 172 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:48,639 house 250 families with that, you know, had at best moderate income. 173 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:54,000 We're giving up that right or that possibility for 100 families now. 174 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,880 » I don't I don't think that's a conservation commission issue though. 175 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:03,920 » I know. >> So, but it but it does go to why I'm 176 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:06,920 concerned about the the the kind of association 177 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:14,199 enforcing rules that are affecting conservation values. 178 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:36,760 And this is going to be before the board tomorrow night. 179 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,760 » Yeah. 180 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:44,320 » Mike, how how certain can we be that our comments will make it to the board 181 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,959 before their meeting tomorrow and that it'll be available to them? 182 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:57,720 » Um, I will try to get it I'll get to Alicia. 183 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,720 as soon as I can. Um, 184 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,000 I guess I'll I'll do my best. 185 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,560 I >> mean, how does Does she normally have a 186 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:12,399 requirement that, you know, staff comments need to be in by a certain time 187 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:17,040 before a >> uh item is scheduled? 188 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:22,720 » I thought there was. Um, I didn't realize this uh this was 189 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:27,360 on the uh tomorrow's agenda. 190 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:30,160 » I think according to the Laura's letter, it is 191 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:34,800 » it is on the agenda tomorrow. >> Yeah. Okay. 192 00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:37,800 » Probably why they're not here today. Um, 193 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:51,040 yeah, I know that I did get an email saying they want things back by 194 00:15:47,839 --> 00:15:57,279 a certain date, but we frequently get that 195 00:15:52,959 --> 00:16:00,240 when when the date is before we meet. >> Yeah. 196 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,759 » You know, the cut off, they want it before we even have a chance to meet. 197 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:08,399 So, I 198 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,600 » we shouldn't lose our place in the queue as it were, 199 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:11,600 » right? >> To get our information in. 200 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:17,160 » Correct. >> Do you plan on attending the meetings or 201 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:17,160 » Yeah, I think I might 202 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:25,040 » bring your notes. Well, yeah, especially about the um 203 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:31,600 conservation overlay >> issue because I think that's a big deal 204 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:37,079 » because they've got some units that are in the the house is in the overlay. 205 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:49,120 » Actually, now that I think about it, um 206 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:55,120 I'm potentially in a butter. I think I think 207 00:16:52,079 --> 00:17:00,079 I've gotten a better letter. So, I'd like to recuse myself from the vote on 208 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,560 this. And >> well, we don't have to vote. We're just 209 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,319 commenting, >> right? But, you know, consider my 210 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:11,319 comments to be of a private citizen. >> Right. 211 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:16,520 » All right. 212 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:23,959 Good. On to the next. 213 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:57,760 I wasn't clear how this one changed since the last time we saw it. 214 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:02,880 » Well, we asked them to move their water line or sewer line. I think it's water 215 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,679 line to go through the narrowest part of the wetlands and they show that they've 216 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,679 done that. >> Okay. 217 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,039 » I believe is what has >> that sounds right 218 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:16,080 » transpired. >> And we asked them to move the entrance. 219 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:19,679 » Yeah. which is unfortunate because there's a spectacular maple tree. 220 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,880 » What? >> A spectacular maple tree right on the 221 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:28,400 front of this property that I hope they can preserve. 222 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:33,960 » And we asked them to move the entrance closer to that tree. 223 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,960 So, 224 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:42,280 » I >> I'm still going to ask them to try and 225 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,280 preserve 226 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:50,640 that tree. >> The other thing is there is a a fairly 227 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:55,280 significant um buffer 228 00:18:53,679 --> 00:18:59,280 encroachment that accommodates their storm water 229 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:06,160 basin, >> right? 230 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:10,960 » That I mean to me it I I I don't I guess we'd have to look up and see what our 231 00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:15,440 our comments were. I know that we pointed that out. Um, 232 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:21,919 » yeah, >> that that that first unit on the 233 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,799 northeast corner 234 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,960 shouldn't really be there. >> Didn't you have either the minutes or 235 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,880 something that showed our comments included in the packet that you sent us 236 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:39,480 » um >> from when they came last time? 237 00:19:35,679 --> 00:19:39,480 » It's not in the packet. 238 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:46,679 Not in the >> No, that was um part of the email that 239 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,679 he sent me. 240 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:57,200 » And do you know do you remember when or do you know when they last came? 241 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,960 » I can I can grab it >> because if you have a date I might have 242 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:04,760 the picture of our comments. 243 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:25,520 January 14th and November 25th 244 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,200 of last year >> of 25. 245 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,200 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 246 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:35,159 » Really? >> That's nice. 247 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:51,200 Apparently, they still don't have planning board approval if this is a 248 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:54,200 DRC, right? >> Correct. 249 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,679 » I don't have anything in November. 250 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:16,799 I could be wrong. Okay. >> It changed quite a bit between the first 251 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:21,919 two meetings. >> Um, so in January of 24, no, December of 252 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:31,200 24, >> some reason it's No, I don't know. Oh, 253 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:35,440 January 14th of 25. Our comments were we will need or they will need conditional 254 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:40,320 use permit. Um recommend reducing the buffer impact 255 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:44,240 created by the detention pond. Buffer signs need to be installed prior to 256 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,679 construction. Pull houses away from buffer on lots four and two. 257 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:56,760 » Four and two. One, two. That's one, two, three, four. 258 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,919 I think lot isn't lot one the one I'm talking about right? 259 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:08,400 » Yeah. Lot lot one is the northeast corner. 260 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:12,960 » Yeah. >> Two is the southeast corner. 261 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:18,480 » I mean we're talking about the little coass here. 262 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:21,679 » Not you know some nondescript little perennial or you know 263 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,240 » right >> seasonal stream. 264 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:31,600 There's also, you know, the 100 foot flood plane. I 265 00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:38,520 don't know what's going to happen when we have the 500 foot 500year 266 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,520 flood. 267 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:47,600 » Yeah. This we must have in the November version 268 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:49,760 mentioned the move the pipe to go through this narrowest part of the 269 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:54,520 wetlands. >> Yeah. 270 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:54,520 » Because that comment isn't on there. 271 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:20,760 It would be nice also to review the conditional use permit application, 272 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,760 see if everything still applies. 273 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,320 There's the crossing. 274 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:38,919 Another 275 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:52,080 thing that I know there's that the corner on the 276 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:55,919 little lot on the northwest corner >> that they cut off 277 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:58,400 » that they cut off and previously sold or developed. I'm not Is there a house 278 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,880 sitting there now? >> So yeah, on the plans it looks like 279 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:06,640 there is. >> Yeah. So at at the time they did that 280 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:13,679 in a way they shot themselves in the foot because now they forced themselves 281 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:17,840 to run a sewer line >> to that lot 282 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:22,000 » to that lot or just use a septic field which for some reason they maybe they 283 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:28,000 can't do because of the you know the proximity of the wetlands. 284 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,600 It shouldn't be it shouldn't be our problem 285 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:36,960 that they that they put themsel painted themselves in that corner and that we're 286 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:42,600 now have to make concessions to them to put put this sewer line in. 287 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Is it it also impacts them a little bit farther up toward the road? I think 288 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:10,200 so. Maybe we could say something like the commission remains concerned about 289 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,200 the unduly large impact 290 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:18,720 to the buffer to Little Kohas stream Brook 291 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,679 » and that would include the area in the from the what the detention pond is 292 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:28,559 impacting. >> Yes. Yeah. You can you can say by the 293 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:32,600 extension pond or the storm water structure. 294 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:53,919 There's a at at the end of the stack of slides, there's a thing that 295 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,919 just shows the wetland impacts. 296 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:01,600 Well, we have a buffer impact policy that requires 297 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,960 » mitigation >> mitigation, 298 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,559 » but we don't state what that mitigation is, 299 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,440 » right? >> So, 300 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:14,080 » we well, we we give them a list of suggestions 301 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:19,480 » spec specific to their location, >> right? 302 00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:19,480 » Do we have any suggestions? 303 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,880 Well, I think part of our consideration at the time was the fact that they are 304 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,880 donating 305 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,120 a strip of land on the east side to the town to be added to the cemetery. 306 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:39,039 » They donated it or sold it. >> No, I think they don I think it says I 307 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:42,039 think not on the plan says to be donated. 308 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,960 Yeah, I think we that or to be transferred, 309 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:58,159 » you know, discussing that concept, >> right? Because it was a win-win. They 310 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:00,720 needed to get rid of they didn't didn't have a use for it, 311 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:05,840 » right? And actually, you can't bury people in a 312 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:10,799 wetland either. So, but it makes I'm okay with that. 313 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:15,440 » At least it makes a buffer, you know. But I but I think this I think to my 314 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:23,600 original comment that we continue to be re you know concerned about the unduly 315 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:30,159 large buffer impact from the storm water structure in the norththeast corner. 316 00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:33,520 » But if we do that and they move it out of the buffer, they're going to move the 317 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,120 entrance. Oh, >> they they'd have to give up that unit. I 318 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,840 think that's the only way they can do it that I can figure out. 319 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:46,919 But maybe, you know, hey, they're smart engineers. They've got this far. 320 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:59,440 So, we mentioned perhaps 321 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,960 that first unit needs to >> Yeah. 322 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:07,919 » be eliminated. >> Yeah. If Yeah. If there is no other 323 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:12,760 engineering solution, consider eliminating that unit. 324 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,200 There goes my tree. 325 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,559 They haven't cut anything down for three years yet. So, 326 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:42,840 » no, somebody's been dumping trash and used furniture on their lot. 327 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,840 Good 328 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,000 as can be. 329 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,559 It's hard to believe that putting all those units in there close to that 330 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:09,399 wouldn't have some sort of impact with all the fertilizers and the run. 331 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640 » Yeah. 332 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,840 Okie do. Um, 333 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:42,320 we have a public hearing. Um, 334 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:48,000 regarding the acquisition of 144 Rear Wildwood Road. 335 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,679 Um, I did have comments from one resident. 336 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:58,080 Why would we pay for land that can't be built on because it's worth nothing? 337 00:29:55,679 --> 00:30:04,840 Worth a little bit. According to the assessor, 338 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:04,840 my observation as well. 339 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:14,360 » Yeah, I think still go through the slides and then people that are at home 340 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,360 can watch can see it. 341 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,240 Is that in our file here or not? >> Oh, 342 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,159 » yeah. >> Is it? 343 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:31,000 » Oh, yeah. I put it in there. >> Oh, good. 344 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,000 » It's under hearing slides. 345 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,159 » Ah, yes. Thank you. 346 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,440 » You having trouble opening it, Mike? Uh it's 347 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:52,679 » thinking >> thinking yeah very slowly but there's a 348 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,679 percentage slowly going up. 349 00:30:54,559 --> 00:31:01,799 » Must be too many people checking election returns. 350 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,799 » Right. 351 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:07,919 » I made the mistake of trying to go in there just as the school buses were 352 00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:14,240 coming out. >> Uh I bad timing. I left just as they 353 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,120 were getting ready to come out. Hot on my tail. 354 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:21,200 » I went in the morning. That was my my and it was perfect. 355 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,200 » Just driving me crazy. Should be using SharePoint. 356 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,559 » Do you want to like do the minutes or something while this loads? I don't know 357 00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:34,440 how long this is going to take. >> Multitask. 358 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,440 » Yeah. 359 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,039 » 65% 360 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,600 Oh my god, there's so many. 361 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,600 » Oh, here we go. 362 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,840 » All right, >> got it. 363 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:05,200 » I think I'll I'll talk from up there uh just because it might help people at 364 00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:08,440 home. Okay, >> it takes 365 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:22,640 » Well, the purpose of this public hearing is to uh get a folks opinion on whether 366 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:30,159 we should proceed with a project on NAP 3 lot nine and we are located just off 367 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:36,360 of uh Mammoth Road on the on where Blackbrook heads on down toward South 368 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,360 Um, 369 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:46,799 this is just a a picture of the brook. Typical. Uh, the interesting thing about 370 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:52,240 this brook is it is like this. Now, I intentionally went in 371 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:57,440 the driest possible time that I could find in August because it's a jungle out 372 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,600 there. Uh, and I wanted to see what was what 373 00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:08,640 was going on on the ground. But according to the the owner, the this 374 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:12,960 thing expands out into its flood plane and almost fills the entire area that 375 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,720 I'll show you on the next slide. Go ahead. 376 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:21,760 So, this is this is the parcel that we're talking about here. And it 377 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:28,399 actually comes in two pieces. There's another little sliver of it right here. 378 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:36,600 And you see here's Mammoth Road and right up there is the underpass where it 379 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,600 goes under Mammoth Road off of um 380 00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:46,320 sawmill property. So, and you can see that it's pretty 381 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:54,080 much all marked as wet because it truly is. And basically I uh this I am using 382 00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:58,799 the survey that the subdivider of this land 383 00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:04,640 had and this land down here. So, we have a survey on on both sides of it. This is 384 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:14,879 a stream that's easy to identify on the ground, this little segment here. 385 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:19,839 And it is all u very densely vegetated. Next slide, please. 386 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:26,320 You see that here? That might pop a little bit. 387 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,480 So, the you can see that there there's houses 388 00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:35,599 all along here. In most cases, they're back a little bit, which is great. I 389 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:42,000 know down on this side, they're they're back a lot farther. 390 00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:46,000 And that is good because the extent that they are fertilizing, and I'm sure they 391 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:53,760 are, they're we're treating that that fertilizer as 392 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:58,880 it it comes off and slopes down into the this little basically it's a it's the 393 00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:05,599 flood plane. When the surveyors did this survey, they 394 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:10,880 uh used the wetland bound as their their rear bound which was, you know, handed 395 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:16,480 down from property owner property owner. But basically, there's only one other 396 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:22,160 property that goes from here all the way down to 397 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:27,040 South Road, and it's shaped looks kind of like that, only longer, and it's 398 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:33,760 longer than this by quite a bit. Interestingly, the the uh assessor's 399 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:39,839 data card says this is only one and a half acres, but that's not possible 400 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:43,599 because like this is probably a typical one and a half, two acre lot here. And 401 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:48,880 you can see how you could fit quite a few of them. So, we're probably talking 402 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:55,920 five or six acres, something like that. But then as the question, well, 403 00:35:52,079 --> 00:36:01,280 let me go to the next slide. This is a typical if you like jewel weed 404 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,240 which is what this stuff is that orange here 405 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:08,400 » it's pretty >> it's everywhere and it is so thick you 406 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:16,240 can barely walk through it but it's very typical. So it's a combination of this u 407 00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:22,720 low hang a low growing herbaceous uh material and then trees that are growing 408 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:28,400 you know closer up along the sides of the bank. This probably represents the 409 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:34,240 area where it it's flooded enough during the spring and the winter that trees 410 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:38,960 can't get established. Um, 411 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:45,359 next slide, please. There's some pictures of the 412 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:49,599 the stream that it when it c you can if you look up carefully here you can see 413 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,520 there's like a light area >> and that's light because that's Mammoth 414 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:58,240 Road and it's just the light that's opened up coming down Mammoth Road. So 415 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:04,480 it's you can see it's very bouldery down here. I'm not sure if if all this is 416 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:12,000 partly was from construction when they um you know originally built Mammoth 417 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:17,760 Road or or what? But it's um it it's changes very uh rapidly from 418 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:21,839 this bouldery configuration to the earlier gravel bed stream that I showed 419 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:24,839 you before. Um 420 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:35,200 next slide please. So I want to get down to the question 421 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:41,200 why do we want to do this? Uh the short answer is to protect 422 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:47,920 um Black Brook from whatever may happen in the future and to continue uh a a 423 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:53,839 long set of protections that are along the 424 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:59,680 brook. So Blackbrook is actually a part of this watershed here 425 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:05,240 number seven up here. It goes down into Hudson. But the black brook itself 426 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:14,880 dumps off into the beaverbrook before it, you know, heads heads on further 427 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:20,079 out. So this is one of, if you look at, you can see this is one of the the 428 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:26,320 longest brooks. The starts right up in here, pulls all 429 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:30,720 the way down here into Brook. One of the longest stretches of 430 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:37,839 stream that we have. That's entirely in London area. 431 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:44,880 And I just trying to this here is this, you know, piece here. Trying to show you 432 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:48,800 what among all of the other subwaterheds that are in London area. 433 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:54,560 And you can see, you know, they pretty much all leave town, right? They go this 434 00:38:52,240 --> 00:39:00,560 way to the Marramac River, you know, through Hudson or Lichfield. They go 435 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:05,680 this way into Derry and then back down Beaverbrook that way. This one is pretty 436 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:12,560 much stays in London area except for this part here and then you know goes 437 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:17,680 down into Hudson. Next slide. So the nice thing about this project is 438 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:26,560 that it continues a lot of work that we've already done. This is the uh this 439 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:31,599 black dark line. That's Blackbrook just and going all this is from our 440 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,480 water study by the way these many years ago 441 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:39,599 » with the you know that's some of the tributaries showing on it and here's 442 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:46,160 where it flows in this is beaverbrook coming down here shows where it goes in 443 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:51,280 but if you look you'll see that most of this brook is protected you know it 444 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,800 starts up on the ever source where the you know if you were going up Um, 445 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:03,839 not high range cross between Mammoth and High Range. The 446 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:09,359 » Adams >> Chest. Thank you. There's there's a 447 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:15,200 power line there and just that power line is kind of where the headarters 448 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:19,520 are. It comes down comes past behind the schools and that's all controlled by the 449 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:24,960 school district. Airross has the other part. We got uh then we got the the 450 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:32,240 orchard land. Then we have the SD conservation easement and then we would 451 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:38,320 be adding this parcel here. Here's Mammoth the road. So it's this area 452 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:45,599 right in here and then um the town of London area owns a strip of 453 00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:52,560 land that protects Beaverbrook. So all we're trying to do here is add to this 454 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:59,200 stream of protected areas one more little little piece here and and make 455 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,400 sure that in the future if you know 100 years from now, 50 years 456 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:07,520 from now, 20 years from now, something happens so that yeah on either side and 457 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:10,960 somebody gets a great idea to knock down some houses and do something else, we're 458 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,760 going to have an interest. We're going to have a control. We we could go in 459 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:21,440 there. We also have as as being land owners the right to go in there and and 460 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:28,079 inspect it and make sure there's nothing untored going on. And we did find that 461 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:34,000 it was in pretty good shape, but most of the butters have respected it pretty 462 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:38,960 well. It's really so thickly grown in that there there isn't a lot of 463 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:43,359 bad stuff you can do. you know, a few things thrown over the fence that we 464 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:48,000 were able to replace back on the side that they should have been on, but um 465 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:51,520 generally speaking, they're pretty good. Taken pretty good care, which is 466 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,599 great. And now what we want to do is make sure it continues to be taken care 467 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:59,240 of. Next slide, please. 468 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:08,640 One more view of it. You can see here, it's a gravel bed, right? And then you 469 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:18,640 can see up here there's more silty uh material. What's happening is the 470 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:22,400 the spring flood scour this out and then drops what it picked up along the way 471 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:29,680 and the part that's or the river when the water slows down. So it's a actually 472 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:34,319 a great conservation um hydrogeeomorphology 473 00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:41,040 teaching tool if you wanted to to use it that way. Um so but the details are the 474 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:47,200 uh assessor carries it at a value of $23,300. 475 00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:52,400 The owner has said that he is willing to accept the excess excess value, 476 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:56,240 you know, would cost us a quarter of the purchase price if we're trying to get it 477 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:01,440 appraised. So, it just doesn't make any sense. But he also agreed that if there 478 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:08,720 are any transa transaction costs that we incur u that he would be willing to 479 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:13,520 reduce the price to match that transaction cost. 480 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:17,440 » What could that be? Well, it could have been a survey. It's 481 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,880 and I suppose it still could if the lawyers don't like my approach to 482 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:26,319 describing this. >> Like I said, I'm relying on those two 483 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:33,119 surveys on either side as as sufficient to to describe this, it's really a very 484 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:40,160 low risk. And then um you know that if they decide that they want to 485 00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:43,839 have a legal review um on it that you know 486 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:51,920 and unfortunately the town is not doing well on its legal account right now. 487 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:55,920 » So uh and they may ask us to you know do that. 488 00:43:52,640 --> 00:44:01,599 » So you know there could be a few hours of legal review. Um but 489 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:06,160 It ought to come out very close to $23,000, I think. And as I pointed out 490 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:10,160 earlier, the deed says one and a half acres. It seems like there's a lot more 491 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:16,480 than that. It'd be good, Mike, if you could uh query the database, you know, 492 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:21,839 for the lot map, you know, the property 493 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:25,599 database, not assessor's database, but the database attached to your, you know, 494 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:30,079 your data layer. >> Yeah. 495 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,480 » And tell me what it thinks that area is how big that is. 496 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:39,520 » Yeah, I can do that. >> Yeah, the deed may very well just copy 497 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:46,800 what's there because it makes it easier for a title researcher to follow when 498 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:50,000 the acreage doesn't change. But, uh, probably be my most 499 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,920 » a lot of times the acreage isn't referred to in the deed. 500 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,040 » Yeah. Yeah. Possibility too. >> They just do the meats and pounds and 501 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:02,400 and not mention >> as shown on plan or something like that. 502 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,920 Uh so we'll see. But uh that's the idea. So 503 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:11,119 uh the intent here was to allow the public to tell us their thoughts. We 504 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:14,319 have the one I guess response saying why are we buying land that's already 505 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,839 protected? But really it isn't protected. It's it's right now it's 506 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:21,200 depending on the good graces of the neighbors. 507 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:28,079 » And what we want to do is is have some ability to go in and control it. 508 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:33,520 So other than that, without any other comment, the next step is for us to then 509 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:38,480 as a commission make a recommendation to the town council to uh allow us to 510 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:44,000 purchase the property using our our conservation funds. And we have more 511 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:48,240 than sufficient funds on hand to to do that. 512 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:52,880 So bring it back to the commission and they 513 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,880 can ask questions if they take a vote. Any 514 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,560 questions? I think it's great. 515 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,240 » Anybody? >> Yeah, I think it's great. 516 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,680 » Very informative. No disagreement. I think it's a good 517 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:23,359 idea. >> So, we could use a motion to 518 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:29,839 » that we recommend the town council purchase map three lot nine as outlined 519 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,839 in the slides. >> Second. 520 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,240 » Any further discussion? >> No. 521 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:44,800 » All in favor? >> I 522 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:47,839 » opposed. Abstain. Motion pass unanimous. >> The town database does list it at one 523 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,560 and a half acres. >> Does it? 524 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:54,480 » Huh. But but I agree with your visual that 525 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,359 » Yeah, that's the assessor's database you're looking at though, I think. 526 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,800 » Yeah, >> you can't you can't get at his database, 527 00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:04,160 » right? I'm looking at the >> mere mortals. 528 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,640 » I'm looking at the one that's on the town website. 529 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,680 » Yeah. No, that has to be the same as the deed. 530 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:16,079 » Okay. >> All right, that's good. Um, 531 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:22,160 so we can move on to old business. Um, trail work. Um, our friend Josh Cook, 532 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:30,480 who used to be on the commission, who works with Trailways, is um rounding up 533 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:37,359 the troops to help do a trail workday on the Matis Trail. So, we've got some 534 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:42,400 power tools and he's just lining up some bodies. Hopefully, he'll give me a date 535 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,119 and then I'll I'll let you all know, anybody who wants to join in some weed 536 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,319 whacking. We can 537 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,319 get that all cleaned up. >> I got it opened as far as the where the 538 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:58,560 map box is back on the edge of the woods. 539 00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:02,000 » Oh, good. >> It's it's it's single track. You get 540 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,520 through it walking. You get through it on a bike, but I didn't go all the way 541 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,800 down. >> Yeah. 542 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:10,800 » And usually that stayed passable, but I haven't been down there for a couple 543 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:15,520 years, and I don't know what it looks like down there. It It was a green hell 544 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,079 up on the flat. You just you you couldn't even tell it had been there. 545 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:22,000 There was a trail there. >> Well, and and that was I think that I 546 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:25,359 mentioned last time. Is it overgrown because no one's using it or no one's 547 00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:31,119 using it because it's overgrown? >> Yes. 548 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:35,040 » You know, so maybe if we make it not so angry looking, people will 549 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:37,680 » Yeah. >> It was it was popular with the mountain 550 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:43,440 bikers. >> Yeah. 551 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:51,160 Um, and >> so we really should send a quick note to 552 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,160 for fish and game. Um, 553 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,599 let me see if I can figure out the right off. 554 00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:57,520 » Okay. Because I was going to say once we have a date. 555 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,400 » Yeah. >> Let them know what our plans are. 556 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:05,920 » Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Good idea. In the meantime, I'll I'll try to 557 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:09,119 find a uh an appropriate email and I'll send that 558 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,160 to you and then you then it'll make it easier to 559 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,160 » All right. 560 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:24,240 » Which I am having a Zoom call with someone from fish and game on Thursday 561 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:31,200 regarding the rabbit habitat. >> Oh. So he just his initial email was he 562 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:38,960 wanted to talk to me about what we'd like to see. So 563 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:43,760 » I thought that was great because >> you know in combination with our 564 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:48,800 forester that is about to give us his plan. We'd like to get in there and 565 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:53,119 recut that. >> Yeah. Well, that's what what we went 566 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:58,079 into the project thinking we would have to do that, 567 00:49:53,920 --> 00:50:03,520 » right? But yes, you know, I understand the bunnies 568 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:08,960 that project was less than successful, but the birds came, so let's let's, you 569 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,599 know, >> keep that going and and maybe 570 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,839 » get better. >> Yeah. Yeah, 571 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,119 » absolutely. >> Timing will be everything in that 572 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:25,119 regard. because that's I mean if you've been out 573 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:30,800 there even the the the last one that was cut I believe was the Cooper. 574 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:34,599 It's it really needs cut >> dense now. 575 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,599 » Yeah. 576 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:44,400 which relating to that, there's a the Cooper parcel has power lines and 577 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:49,760 there's a Eversource gate right on Lichfield Road 578 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:57,920 and the gate is not locked so it's frequently open and I don't know who 579 00:50:54,319 --> 00:51:00,079 who to get to lock it. >> I think those locks belong to 580 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,880 Eversource. >> Yeah. 581 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,280 » Yeah. >> Glenn had keys for him but 582 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,680 » Yeah. Well, I I actually have a key. There's just no lock. 583 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,800 » Yeah. Yeah. >> So, somebody keeps opening it and going 584 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,440 in there, but I don't know what they're doing. I think they're just driving 585 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:18,480 right through Wattsbrook, which >> Yeah, I'm sure 586 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,440 » is not making me happy. >> ATVs probably. 587 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,760 » No, fullsize trucks. >> Oh, 588 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,480 » I think they're I think they're going through pickup trucks, 589 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:36,960 » but can't prove it. So >> if you talk to um maybe Tanya Pinter 590 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:39,680 might be able to tell you. We have a a Ever Aversource 591 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,720 » contact >> contact point. 592 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:47,359 » Well, I was going to ask the the conservation ranger if he has Glenn's 593 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:52,160 » Yeah. Right. >> contact list 594 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:56,480 » because I mean we've met this person before. It's it's a a guy now. I can't 595 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,800 remember his name. used to be another lady but 596 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,160 » oh yeah >> their job to work with towns and then in 597 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,520 they >> right 598 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:14,359 » London area is in that guy's portfolio >> and then a lot of it a lot of it too 599 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,359 » I had some business cards maybe 600 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:26,720 » but that would be the person to put you in contact with yeah rightway people 601 00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:33,760 » it it seems like a good idea to lock that gate cuz they added big stumps and 602 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,079 boulders on either side of the gate to keep people from going around. So, they 603 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,880 recognize it's an issue, >> right? 604 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:45,960 » But we just need that lock back on that gate. So, yeah, I'll work on that. 605 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:55,520 If if you're going to be talking to fish and game about rabbit hat, that's that's 606 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,640 probably close to where we want to be for the trail work. 607 00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:02,319 » Matthysse. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, if you could just say while 608 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,160 you're talking, by the way, we've we have this agreement with you to maintain 609 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:10,000 this trail. Just letting you know >> we're going to do that. 610 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:15,520 » Do that. Okay. That might be sufficient. >> If not, he I'm sure he can say 611 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:21,280 » Yeah. You got to talk to Yeah, exactly. Good. 612 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:24,000 All righty. Um, anybody have any other old business? 613 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:29,680 » I had mentioned last meeting that Hickory Hill kiosk was inaccessible. 614 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:33,119 To my surprise, I found that some people were hacking their way in there to get 615 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:39,839 to some maps. So, so I cleared it out today. 616 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:45,839 » I emailed Dave Wallally and I think DPW is a little busy right now. Yeah, which 617 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:54,319 I get. Um, but I'll circle back because I think the flooding on the beavers is 618 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:58,800 » more pressing issue. But >> anyhow, as of today, you can follow the 619 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,480 trail from the old parking lot to the kiosk and you can follow the trail from 620 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:05,359 the new parking lot to the kiosk. Okay. >> I don't know that people will, but you 621 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:11,480 can >> without being a tick farm, 622 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,480 » right? 623 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:19,680 Anything else? >> Uh, I tried to get in contact with the 624 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,680 owner of the penny the old penny fence company. I can't remember the new name 625 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,760 of it now. >> Yeah, I can't either. 626 00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:29,200 » Oh, yeah. >> To see if they would talk to us about 627 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:35,839 cooperating on providing parking for Lithia Spring. And I haven't heard 628 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:41,680 anything back. So, I'm going to have to try to find another 629 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:47,440 way to work around that. may involve 630 00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:53,319 kicking the can up upstairs a little bit. I think eventually I'll someone 631 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,319 will get their attention. 632 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,760 » So 633 00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:03,520 » any other old >> Oh, actually I should also mention they 634 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:08,640 had promised that the trail uh grants would be announced in August. as far 635 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:15,000 either they're either we lost so bad that they're not even bothering to tell 636 00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:15,000 us or they haven't announced them yet. 637 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:23,119 » Wow, that'd be nice to hear. >> Yeah, be good. 638 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:30,400 » So, I do have financial updates. Okay. And we have 109,000 639 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:34,960 » plus in that uh Habitat account. So, we have more than enough to to tackle a 640 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:41,359 small project in there, I would say. and still still keep some money in hand. U I 641 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:45,599 have only here through June 30th. I don't know if we've had any any 642 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,440 expenses. We've had so few meetings that I missed once. I don't know if there 643 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,040 have been. >> Um it's no big deal because it's just 644 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:57,280 comes out of our line item budget probably. But that I I will get that 645 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,119 caught up. I hope by the next meeting. >> Yeah. 646 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:04,480 » Just takes them a while to get through the fiscal year which was June 30th. 647 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,559 And um >> I don't have anything since April. 648 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,119 » Okay. >> Any expenses? 649 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:18,440 » Okay. Um and so we had um going into the open space protection fund, we have 650 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,440 1,650,129.71 651 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:30,559 in the account as of June 30th, but there was um about 90,000 going into it. 652 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:35,280 So our current balance should be by now 1,740 653 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:42,799 16489. So it it just keeps it keeps growing, 654 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:52,040 you know, and to the whole story is for last this year. Sorry. Um, we 655 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,040 Sorry. 656 00:56:53,359 --> 00:57:01,440 I guess I I guess um I didn't put a title on it, but we've we got I know we 657 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:08,040 got more than $36,000 this year. So, I can't tell you what we got this year. I 658 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,040 apologize. We did get um 659 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:18,079 well, maybe that's that's about right. Um, we keep getting in the 50 60 $70,000 660 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:23,359 range. Recently, a couple years ago it was more. Anyway, um, that's what's it's 661 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:31,640 in the bank now. So, that's the good news, right? 662 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,640 Um, any other new business? 663 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:43,520 That's it. We can do the minutes now 664 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,720 » for real this time. >> Yeah, 665 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,720 drop that. They just disappeared. 666 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,799 » I had no changes. I thought it looked okay. 667 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:08,880 » Oh, I know. My Oh, I'll wait until we do this. I just had a question. How many 668 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:14,880 more bills do we get for the $10,000 we've been paying out for that project 669 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:18,480 for Lithium? >> Uh I I think I've seen two invoices. I 670 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:25,599 just >> So where is that money coming out of 671 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:29,680 » us? It should come from a grant, right? >> Well, we haven't got any money from the 672 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,280 grant because we haven't invoiced >> Oh. 673 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,160 » them. >> Oh, okay. Okay. So, it's going to be a 674 00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:39,119 borrow payback >> cuz I sent the invoice to finance and 675 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,960 said, "I think you guys have the money for this." 676 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,359 » No, it's it's pulled out of our accounts >> and then I never heard anything. 677 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,640 » So, >> I guess the question is, has anybody 678 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:54,640 paid him? >> Well, Deb says it's paid two $10,000. 679 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:59,960 » Oh, yeah. Okay, good. So, >> so we'll eventually get it back, which 680 00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:59,960 is good news, too. 681 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,760 Did you have something else? >> No, that was it. 682 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,760 » Okay. 683 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:21,799 » Anybody want a motion for the minutes? >> Move to accept the minutes of Tuesday, 684 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:21,799 August 11th as presented. 685 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:32,240 » Second. >> Uh motion by Bob, second by Mike. Any 686 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:38,880 further discussion? All in favor? I abain was abstained. Deb abstains and 687 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:44,319 the motion passes. That's all we have. 688 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:47,359 » I'd note that I think Gary's up for review by town council 689 00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,599 » on Monday, right? >> Yep. 690 00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:52,160 » Is that true? >> Yeah. So, 691 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,640 » you don't have to go. I'm going for >> Oh, thank you. 692 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,760 We good? >> I move to whatever adjourn. 693 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:13,040 » Go home. >> All in favor? I I meeting adjourned.