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[0:21] » I call the Board uh
[0:24] of Zoning Appeals meeting to order.
[0:27] Um
[0:28] Meg, can you call the roll?
[0:31] >> Sure.
[0:33] Uh
[0:35] Seth McCormick?
[0:36] >> Here.
[0:37] >> Charlie Goodall?
[0:38] John Mingle?
[0:39] >> Here.
[0:41] >> Fred Woods is absent and Bob LaMee is
[0:43] absent. Or is anybody on Zoom?
[0:47] And then Attorney Willoughby is here.
[0:49] And that concludes roll.
[0:52] >> Okay.
[0:52] Can we all stand for the Pledge of
[0:54] Allegiance?
[0:58] » Okay.
[0:59] >> I pledge allegiance
[1:00] >> to the flag of the United States of
[1:02] America, and to the republic for which
[1:05] it stands, one nation under God,
[1:08] indivisible, with liberty and justice
[1:11] for all.
[1:19] » Okay, for for old business,
[1:22] um
[1:23] we have uh consideration of the written
[1:26] findings and facts for the public
[1:28] hearing on the William and Mary Buckley
[1:30] 2011 Juneway
[1:32] uh drive petition that was granted last
[1:36] meeting.
[1:38] Um I'll open the floor to discussion
[1:40] about uh
[1:41] >> Do you want to approve minutes real
[1:42] quick?
[1:44] >> Did I skip that?
[1:45] >> Yeah.
[1:45] >> I think
[1:47] >> Sorry to interrupt.
[1:48] >> read my own agenda.
[1:50] >> I move to approve minutes of last month.
[1:52] >> I second it.
[1:54] >> All in favor say I. I.
[1:57] >> So it passes.
[2:00] Now on to old business.
[2:02] So again, um I'll open the floor to
[2:04] discussion regarding
[2:06] um the findings and facts as proposed.
[2:09] Um and if anybody have has any changes
[2:11] or or wants to make a motion to approve,
[2:13] we can we can go from there.
[2:16] Did Did every Does everybody have a copy
[2:18] of
[2:21] » I I can go print them if you need them.
[2:23] >> Here. You guys have them in like
[2:25] >> I
[2:25] >> They were circu- They were circulated by
[2:27] email, I think earlier today.
[2:30] >> Would you like the hard copy? Does
[2:32] anybody need it?
[2:33] >> Yeah. Here. Well
[2:34] >> You were able to look at it?
[2:35] >> Yeah, you can read this one. I've read
[2:37] it.
[2:37] >> Oh.
[2:38] >> And Charlie can read that one.
[2:39] >> Okay.
[2:40] >> So we'll take a second.
[3:45] Okay.
[3:46] >> Pretty much as we discussed last
[3:47] >> I agree.
[3:48] >> last month, right?
[3:49] >> Okay.
[3:50] So I'll I'll uh entertain a motion to
[3:52] approve um um
[3:55] these findings and decisions.
[3:57] >> Second.
[3:59] >> All in favor say aye.
[4:00] >> Aye.
[4:01] >> Okay, so we'll need to sign that
[4:02] original copy
[4:04] um
[4:05] before you leave. And so, that we can
[4:07] get it to uh
[4:09] the petitioners and so they can take it
[4:11] to the building commission.
[4:14] All right.
[4:21] So, now moving on, we have um
[4:25] the preliminary hearing um for John
[4:28] Smith at 1701 Story Avenue.
[4:31] Um Meg, would you like to read the um
[4:34] the summary of the of the of the of the
[4:36] petition into the record.
[4:41] » John Smith, 1701 Story use and
[4:43] development standard variance petition
[4:45] requesting variance from the
[4:47] requirements of section 154.052,
[4:50] construction and location standards for
[4:51] accessory uses and structures, and
[4:54] section 154.057,
[4:57] schedule of district regulations
[4:59] for setback height, zoning lot size, and
[5:01] coverage. Petitioners seeking to replace
[5:04] an existing shed and lean-to.
[5:06] And the preliminary hearing is set to
[5:08] open this evening.
[5:09] >> Sorry.
[5:12] >> For the record, Fred Woods is now in
[5:14] attendance, and I didn't include a
[5:16] building representative, Joyce Schmidt,
[5:18] in the original roll call either, who is
[5:20] also present in the audience.
[5:25] So, I'll hand it back to you, Seth.
[5:27] >> Okay.
[5:28] So, how this works is it's a little
[5:30] weird of setup. You have to go up to the
[5:31] podium. Um you have to and you're you're
[5:34] the builder, right?
[5:35] >> Yes.
[5:35] >> Okay. So, just state your name. Um are
[5:38] you the are you the one presenting?
[5:40] Are you the one going to give kind of
[5:42] like Okay. Uh
[5:48] Mhm. Okay.
[5:57] So, what you'll have to do is
[5:59] you'll have to go up to the podium and
[6:01] then you'll just state your name and
[6:02] your address
[6:03] and then the floor is yours in terms of
[6:05] the presentation and then after he's
[6:07] finished you can go up there and just
[6:08] state your name
[6:10] and we'll go from there. Okay? And you
[6:12] have to push
[6:14] there's a little button at the base here
[6:15] that says push and a little green light
[6:17] should come on
[6:19] to make sure your microphone's on that
[6:21] way that record is
[6:27] the bar
[6:27] >> It's the long bottom.
[6:29] >> It's a bar that goes across the bottom.
[6:32] Oh, I got it. Okay. There you go.
[6:35] Am I live?
[6:37] We don't know.
[6:39] But but I the Zoom people may know.
[6:42] Okay, green light?
[6:43] That's green light. Then you're then
[6:45] it's on.
[6:46] >> And you're Okay, great. There you go.
[6:47] >> Thanks. Yeah, no, I appreciate you all
[6:49] coming to the tonight.
[6:51] I hope you had power and
[6:53] didn't have big trees down like a lot of
[6:56] people in our neighborhood.
[6:57] And I want to thank Larry Wall in
[7:00] particular for
[7:02] his guidance early on in this petition
[7:05] or
[7:06] what do I call it a
[7:08] request.
[7:09] >> Mhm.
[7:10] >> Uh
[7:12] He came to the house and gave a lot of
[7:13] good advice and Meg was really helpful
[7:16] in digging out papers for us and
[7:18] appreciate all of them.
[7:20] Um
[7:22] So, I'll give you some background
[7:24] information
[7:26] and then
[7:27] uh
[7:28] I'll show how our topography
[7:32] lot topography dictates where the garage
[7:34] must be placed.
[7:37] And
[7:39] finally I'll explain why the garage is
[7:41] necessary. Then Bob
[7:43] Bartel will get up and show you the
[7:45] drawings and whatever
[7:47] of the plans.
[7:50] So, we're at 1701 Story Avenue in Long
[7:53] Beach.
[7:54] Uh Story Avenue, even though it's an
[7:56] avenue, only has four homes.
[7:59] And ours is one of them. Our house was
[8:02] built in 1941.
[8:05] It's a split log
[8:07] uh cabin that we just love.
[8:10] And and uh
[8:16] So, I just want You guys may have
[8:18] already a copy of this survey.
[8:21] I see some of you have them.
[8:24] But
[8:25] Did everybody get one?
[8:27] Okay, so you can see that
[8:29] uh
[8:33] I don't know if
[8:34] Okay, so you can see our house.
[8:37] It's in
[8:39] This guy here is the current shed.
[8:42] But
[8:43] And it's all in the back.
[8:46] Like I told you guys earlier.
[8:49] Uh are the um
[8:53] dunes that's behind us. I mean, it's
[8:56] pretty, but it's quite fast rising.
[8:58] And even though we have We have
[9:00] basically two lots.
[9:02] There's a lot of width here,
[9:04] but not depth.
[9:06] So, that's why we're limited to
[9:09] basically where the shed is
[9:12] uh to to put a garage.
[9:14] And
[9:16] uh our plan is to replace the shed with
[9:19] the garage.
[9:21] The shed's been there for a number of
[9:23] years.
[9:26] Okay, so you guys have all that stuff.
[9:37] I got some notes here. Sorry.
[9:41] Okay. Now, as to why we need the garage.
[9:43] Over the years,
[9:45] we've weathered seemingly
[9:47] annual
[9:49] uh
[9:50] dents from the uh limbs of the oak
[9:53] trees. So, you guys all know that
[9:55] they're very heavy
[9:56] uh falling on our cars. And we just kind
[9:59] of
[10:00] suffer through that. But, 2 or 3 years
[10:02] ago, we had
[10:04] a hail storm.
[10:06] I don't know if you remember it or not.
[10:07] Big hail.
[10:08] We had over $3,000 of the damage in our
[10:10] cars. And that was the kind of the last
[10:12] straw.
[10:13] We realized we needed a garage.
[10:16] That's why we're we're respectfully
[10:18] requesting a garage building permit
[10:21] to protect our vehicles from future
[10:22] damage.
[10:25] And as I said, it would be built in the
[10:26] place of the existing sheds.
[10:30] And the setback
[10:32] You see the
[10:34] setback of the house
[10:36] is here.
[10:38] And actually, the house is pretty close
[10:40] to the road as it is. And we made sure
[10:42] that the shed setback was the same as
[10:45] the house setback.
[10:47] And we would do that for the garage as
[10:48] well. So, it wouldn't be any closer to the
[10:51] road than the existing shed.
[10:58] And uh let's see.
[11:02] We're going to make sure the
[11:03] architecture of the uh garage
[11:07] matches that of the house. So, it's
[11:09] going to be brown split log.
[11:11] Uh and
[11:13] as such, we think it will increase the
[11:15] value of our
[11:16] property and also our neighbors'
[11:18] property.
[11:19] Certainly the neighbors on Story Avenue
[11:21] and probably others nearby.
[11:25] It'll It'll It'll just look good.
[11:28] And I am done.
[11:31] Uh
[11:32] unless you have a question of me, I'm
[11:33] going to turn it over to Bob.
[11:37] I think we're good.
[11:38] >> Anyone have a question?
[11:41] >> I just want to make sure that
[11:43] the current setback is 15
[11:46] on the plan.
[11:48] >> The from what I'm reading on the plot of
[11:49] the current setback of the shed is 15 ft
[11:53] and the front and it sort of I walk by
[11:55] it there's the entrance to the shed is
[11:57] all So, if you're looking straight onto
[11:58] it, it's over sort of the right.
[12:00] >> Yes. Right. That would be that was me.
[12:08] » Um, yeah, but but so the the front of
[12:12] the garage the garage door will be 15 ft
[12:15] and be directly towards Story Ave,
[12:18] right? That's what I read read this.
[12:20] Okay.
[12:21] So, no different in setback, but your
[12:24] entrance will change from the right as
[12:26] you're looking at it.
[12:27] >> Yes.
[12:27] >> To the front.
[12:28] >> Exactly.
[12:29] >> Got it. Okay.
[12:31] Thank you.
[12:32] >> You bet. Anything else?
[12:35] Okay, Bob.
[12:37] >> Uh, what one more thing. Which line on
[12:40] this
[12:41] on the topographical portion uh, most
[12:45] similarly represents the uh,
[12:48] landscaping stones that are
[12:51] >> Oh, the landscaping
[12:52] >> Would that be this line right here?
[12:56] No, no, no, the ones that go around
[12:58] right now they wrap around the back of
[13:00] the uh,
[13:01] >> Could be about right, Bob. More like
[13:03] right here.
[13:03] >> So, so it's in here?
[13:05] >> Yeah.
[13:06] >> Okay.
[13:07] >> We'll have to dig out a little bit of
[13:08] the dome
[13:09] and we'll have a concrete wall in the
[13:11] back so it acts as a retention wall.
[13:14] You know, it's dressed and everything,
[13:16] but it it it it will sit back in the
[13:18] village.
[13:19] >> So, those those stones you would
[13:21] you'd lift those out of there?
[13:26] Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go up there.
[13:29] >> Yeah, I'm sorry.
[13:30] Uh
[13:31] yes, uh it'd be
[13:33] the elevation of the new
[13:35] >> state your name for the record?
[13:36] >> Oh, my name is Robert Barfell with uh
[13:38] Chicago Renovators.
[13:39] >> Okay.
[13:40] >> And uh the new elevation of concrete
[13:43] floor would be about the same elevation
[13:45] as the existing shed.
[13:48] Pretty much. So, it won't be up higher.
[13:51] It's just that we're seeking uh
[13:54] a variance for the setback cuz if we
[13:57] were stuck with a 30-ft setback, it'd be
[14:00] buried in the dune, you know, and we
[14:02] just, you know, that's why we're asking
[14:04] for a variance.
[14:05] >> Imagine.
[14:07] >> And then instead of it being a shed,
[14:09] it's it would be a garage.
[14:11] And stuff, so that's why we're asking
[14:14] for this variance.
[14:17] But it the architecture will be
[14:20] uh matching the existing house. We'll
[14:22] keep that continuous and everything. And
[14:26] uh we will have We're We're not tucking
[14:27] up uh
[14:29] we're not past the limit of the
[14:32] lot coverage.
[14:34] There, I think we're at 30%
[14:36] per that drawing that uh
[14:38] that you that you
[14:39] >> Is the lot coverage analysis on this
[14:41] drawing?
[14:43] >> Yeah.
[14:44] It's on the
[14:48] » 26.76%
[14:53] You know, with with proposed patio
[14:54] extension.
[14:55] >> It's that
[14:57] little square at the top of the drawing
[14:59] of the site plan.
[15:14] » Right.
[15:15] >> Yeah.
[15:17] yeah. No, I'm I got it. Yeah.
[15:19] >> Yeah, so so we're at 30% of the of lot
[15:22] coverage.
[15:23] Not 35.
[15:24] >> And and what does that include?
[15:26] >> That includes our our new driveway.
[15:29] It includes the existing residence.
[15:32] And the garage itself.
[15:34] >> Okay. And all the patios and walkways
[15:37] and all the landscaping
[15:39] stones and
[15:40] >> Right.
[15:41] >> Yeah, cuz I mean the the lot coverage
[15:44] calculation has to include like where
[15:46] you have the flagstone walk
[15:49] over here and over here. And then it
[15:50] sounds like you're trying to I mean
[15:51] you're not here for the new kitchen, but
[15:53] the new kitchen has to be added into
[15:54] that. A deck has to be added to that.
[15:56] >> I I did that the first time.
[15:58] >> Okay.
[15:59] >> We made a presentation.
[16:11] » Okay.
[16:17] I just want to add one other thing. Uh
[16:19] around the existing shed we've got a big
[16:22] platform of stone.
[16:24] That's all going to be gone.
[16:25] >> Okay.
[16:26] Well, and I mean we're we're asking this
[16:28] question cuz I I I don't know um when
[16:30] the last time someone from the building
[16:32] commission was out there, but there was
[16:33] some concern that there would be a lot
[16:35] coverage issue. And so, um if you're
[16:38] here with us now
[16:40] >> Yes.
[16:40] >> you should be asking for I mean if
[16:41] there's going to be a lot coverage
[16:42] issue, you should be asking for that
[16:44] variance now.
[16:45] Um because if there is a lot coverage
[16:47] issue, let's assume we grant your
[16:49] petition, right?
[16:50] >> Yes.
[16:50] >> And we only grant what you asked for.
[16:52] Um so, if there is a lot coverage
[16:55] issue, you're going to have to come back
[16:56] to us for that variance as well. So,
[16:59] that's why I'm asking the question and I
[17:00] just want to make sure that you guys are
[17:02] you know
[17:03] >> Lot coverage is not the our problem.
[17:05] >> Okay.
[17:05] >> The problem is the 30-ft setback.
[17:07] >> Okay.
[17:07] >> Yeah.
[17:10] » And what's the distance from the back of
[17:12] the garage to the lot line?
[17:16] » Uh
[17:25] The front of the garage is going to be
[17:26] at 15 ft from the road.
[17:29] >> Yeah, I got that.
[17:30] >> the the depth of the garage is 26 ft.
[17:33] >> Okay.
[17:34] >> by 26.
[17:35] >> And then from the back of the garage to
[17:37] the
[17:39] rear lot line is what?
[17:41] >> Oh.
[17:43] Uh
[17:44] you know Oh.
[17:51] » You know the number now, but it's a long
[17:52] ways.
[17:53] >> At least 20 ft, but
[17:55] >> Oh. Oh, yeah.
[17:55] >> More than 20 ft.
[17:57] >> Yeah.
[18:00] I believe it's 40 ft.
[18:02] >> Well, I mean if this is 48.4, then
[18:05] that's only going to be at most 22,
[18:06] right?
[18:07] >> Yeah, this is 26.
[18:10] >> Yeah, that's going to be So, it'd be
[18:11] less than 22, right?
[18:12] >> Yeah, I'm thinking it's more like
[18:15] 18 or
[18:16] >> Yeah.
[18:16] >> Something like that.
[18:17] >> Yeah, you're But that's nearly straight
[18:18] up, right?
[18:19] >> Almost.
[18:21] >> Yeah.
[18:25] so uh
[18:27] And the issue here is that that distance
[18:30] is
[18:32] also an issue, too.
[18:33] >> Right.
[18:34] >> Uh for the rear setback.
[18:36] Um beyond that is um there's a house up
[18:39] there.
[18:39] >> Right.
[18:40] >> And that house
[18:43] also needs to
[18:45] not have issues over uh
[18:48] this activity.
[18:49] >> Right.
[18:50] >> And it could. So, how do What's the uh
[18:53] notion as to how you protect that house
[18:55] while this is going on? And what will
[18:58] you do to um actually secure the dune?
[19:01] Are you going to Are you going to drive
[19:03] piling?
[19:04] >> No, we don't need to drive piling in at
[19:06] all.
[19:06] >> Okay.
[19:06] >> We're we're just simply going to
[19:08] excavate. I'm trying to keep the the
[19:10] elevation floor
[19:12] as high as we can we don't have to dig
[19:14] out that much but we will be putting a
[19:16] concrete wall on the on the back wall
[19:19] and then backfilling against that so we
[19:21] won't have erosion
[19:23] and we'll probably end up taking taking
[19:26] out a couple small trees
[19:29] >> It looks like two trees got to go.
[19:30] >> Right, in front and on the side.
[19:33] >> Um
[19:35] so that con rear concrete wall will that
[19:38] be full height?
[19:39] >> Yes.
[19:40] Yeah, that'll be
[19:43] about an 8-ft wall
[19:44] >> minimum.
[19:54] Will that be taller than the garage? In
[19:56] other words, will that go up into the
[19:59] gable end or
[20:00] >> No, but I don't see that we need need to
[20:02] do that.
[20:19] » Have you talked [clears throat] to your
[20:20] neighbor has have there's been
[20:22] discussions with the neighbor above
[20:23] about the plans?
[20:26] >> No, we haven't made that presentation
[20:28] yet.
[20:28] >> Okay.
[20:29] >> I thought that was what we did at the
[20:31] next meeting.
[20:37] » Will the garage have a second floor and
[20:38] is that a living area?
[20:40] >> Storage area.
[20:42] >> Yeah, unfinished.
[20:43] Storage area.
[20:51] » And the gable runs which way?
[20:54] >> Uh
[20:55] according to the plan it's going to run
[20:57] north and south.
[20:59] >> So parallel to the story.
[21:01] >> Yes.
[21:02] >> So the ridge board will go this way.
[21:05] >> Yeah.
[21:06] So sorry, believe you you got some
[21:08] drawings in front of you right there Mr.
[21:10] Woods.
[21:11] You can see the elevation
[21:13] there.
[21:16] >> We haven't seen those.
[21:17] >> Oh.
[21:49] The back of the garage is elevation
[21:54] for the contour
[21:56] is at 640.
[21:58] And so we are going to be
[22:02] >> [clears throat]
[22:02] >> excuse me
[22:04] at the elevation of
[22:08] 638
[22:10] for the floor.
[22:24] So we should have about 2 ft of concrete
[22:27] sticking up out of that that doing it on
[22:29] the back wall.
[22:32] And that'll be of course reinforced
[22:34] concrete.
[22:36] 10 in wide, 8 in wide.
[22:40] » Does this elevation just a mirror image
[22:42] of this or
[22:43] >> Oh, you got it.
[22:49] I touched the east
[22:51] at road.
[22:52] >> I got tricked there as to what the
[22:54] directions were.
[23:56] » Now, this is very very likely 16 ft.
[24:02] Right there.
[24:03] >> Yeah.
[24:05] >> It's almost exactly the same as this
[24:08] measurement.
[24:09] >> Okay.
[24:21] I guess we're asking for front yard and
[24:23] back yard
[24:25] variants.
[24:28] Is there a minimum for a back yard?
[24:31] >> Um I'd I'd I'd have to look at the code.
[24:34] Um I mean the the the 30
[24:37] ft front setback is in 154.
[24:42] 052. Um
[24:46] and then the the rear setbacks are in a
[24:48] different part of the code. They're in
[24:49] the appendix and I don't have a printout
[24:51] with that with me.
[24:54] Do what?
[24:56] >> 20 ft?
[24:59] » From
[25:00] >> the zoning district
[25:02] residential
[25:03] >> Okay.
[25:04] So, yeah, one we'll need to see
[25:07] the length from the back of the garage
[25:11] to the rear property line.
[25:13] Um
[25:14] and you'll you know, you'll need to ask
[25:16] for a variance for the benefits under 20
[25:18] ft.
[25:18] >> Okay.
[25:19] >> Sure. Yeah.
[25:20] >> Um
[25:28] » Well, if you
[25:30] Yeah, if you scale the drawing, it's we're probably going to be a little
[25:33] less than 20 ft.
[25:34] >> Okay.
[25:36] So, just I mean, and you know, we would permit you to like ask for that
[25:41] variance as well.
[25:42] >> Okay.
[25:42] >> Um you'd have to you'd have to
[25:43] essentially amend your petition.
[25:46] Um but there as long as you meet the
[25:47] notice requirements, then that's
[25:50] allowed.
[25:51] Um so, do that work pretty quickly. Um
[25:54] and and and then you don't you don't
[25:55] need to submit anything. You can submit
[25:57] an amended application, but like by the
[25:59] public hearing, we'd want to be able to
[26:00] see that.
[26:01] >> Would you like to see a section with
[26:03] doing coming down and the elevations of
[26:06] the grades there as I have?
[26:09] >> Yeah, that that would have that would be
[26:10] helpful.
[26:10] >> Yeah, we can do that. Sure.
[26:12] >> Okay.
[26:13] >> Seth, it needs to be prior to the public
[26:15] hearing, 2 weeks by the deadline.
[26:18] >> Right. The amended application would
[26:19] need to be right. But I mean, like yeah,
[26:21] okay. So, let's get this straight cuz I
[26:24] may have just misspoke and I want to
[26:25] make sure it's clear. You'd have to
[26:27] submit the amended application at least
[26:29] 2 weeks before the public hearing. That
[26:31] would need to contain all of the
[26:32] documents that we're asking for.
[26:34] >> Sure.
[26:34] >> Um
[26:35] you know, our you know, the evidence of
[26:38] how far it is from the rear to the the
[26:41] rear of the garage the proposed garage
[26:43] to the rear of the lot line.
[26:44] >> Okay.
[26:45] Um and then that way we could have time
[26:47] to review it so we could ask you again
[26:49] questions about it if we had questions
[26:50] at the public.
[26:51] >> Okay.
[26:52] >> Sure.
[26:57] » Yeah, well
[26:58] we'll determine that when we go out
[27:00] there and actually measure it.
[27:03] >> Well, I I guess I would have
[27:06] I'm basing my comment on uh
[27:09] Mr. Tate's drawing.
[27:12] Tate.
[27:14] So, uh
[27:16] Tate. Yeah.
[27:19] to the extent that
[27:21] he's not to scale, uh I suppose it could
[27:24] be anything.
[27:35] » [clears throat]
[27:37] » Yeah, I I saw the stakes.
[27:40] Yeah.
[27:44] But, you need to know that now. You you
[27:46] don't need to know that when uh
[27:48] you start tearing things apart and say,
[27:50] "Oh, look at this."
[28:01] » It'll be close, cuz if you're you got 48
[28:04] and 1/2 over here, I mean
[28:08] with the drawing, it just it looks
[28:09] tight.
[28:13] » I scale.
[28:15] >> Yeah.
[28:17] there's Yeah, there's no reason
[28:18] for us all to debate it. They've got
[28:20] scientific tools that can show us. So,
[28:23] um
[28:25] Okay. Um does anybody have any further
[28:28] questions?
[28:32] » I think somebody should review the lot
[28:33] coverage and make sure that uh all the
[28:36] pieces have been covered. And
[28:37] understanding that uh
[28:39] she made the point that
[28:41] some of it is going to get gobbled up
[28:43] with the the garage anyway.
[28:45] >> Yeah.
[28:45] >> So, uh the added amount might not be
[28:47] that big, but
[28:48] all this stuff in here is pretty well uh
[28:52] covered even though it's uh
[28:55] got stuff on it. Yeah.
[28:58] Okay.
[29:00] >> And so you want to change the lot
[29:02] coverage.
[29:03] >> No, I don't want to change it. I would just want it to be
[29:06] right.
[29:07] >> Okay.
[29:07] >> No, what I what I base my these
[29:09] calculations on up here is on the
[29:12] drawing where
[29:13] you see that there it shows the deck
[29:15] previously.
[29:16] We haven't they've built a kitchen on
[29:19] there and that part of their patios
[29:21] there, so I based that on Tate's criteria.
[29:26] >> Yeah, whatever it is, it is. I
[29:28] >> Right, yeah. And then
[29:30] I subtracted for the shed, the existing
[29:32] shed.
[29:33] >> Yeah, I get it.
[29:34] >> We just, yeah, added, you know, the
[29:36] difference.
[29:37] >> Um if anything's missing, it's right
[29:39] here, I would assume. Yeah. So that's
[29:42] that is in the
[29:44] as part of the ordinance.
[29:53] When when this
[29:56] What does the east elevation look like
[30:00] with uh the backdrop of the property
[30:02] behind it?
[30:04] >> I didn't
[30:05] uh
[30:07] I don't think I have the elevation
[30:08] right.
[30:09] >> Um
[30:10] it's not
[30:12] >> Maybe that east elevation somebody could
[30:14] just take some shots and put some
[30:16] reference lines on it to say Okay, this
[30:18] is you know, top of the hill or whatever
[30:21] it is.
[30:21] >> Yeah.
[30:22] >> This is the house behind it or
[30:24] >> Okay.
[30:24] >> whatever.
[30:29] » Okay.
[30:32] All right, so um
[30:34] we can move this onto public hearing, so
[30:37] it can happen next month.
[30:40] The alternative is
[30:42] um you know, you could
[30:44] go do your homework and come back for a
[30:46] preliminary hearing and then go to, you
[30:48] know, go to a public hearing the
[30:49] following month.
[30:51] Um, because the timetable, the 2-week
[30:53] timetable is very real. Um, and so it,
[30:56] you know, I I will vote how we vote,
[30:59] but, uh,
[31:00] you know,
[31:01] um, if you want to make that decision
[31:03] now, I mean, I mean, if you want us to
[31:04] start voting on whether it should go to
[31:05] public hearing, that's fine. If you want
[31:08] to postpone, you know, continue this
[31:10] here this preliminary hearing till next
[31:12] month to see if you need to do at make
[31:15] any more of requests, that's fine, too.
[31:17] Um,
[31:18] so we'll follow your lead on that.
[31:20] >> No, we should be good. I I produce, uh,
[31:22] the information 2 weeks prior to the
[31:23] next meeting.
[31:24] >> Okay.
[31:30] Um, the date of the public hearing, do
[31:32] you have that?
[31:33] >> I can look it up on my phone.
[31:35] In a month, I believe.
[31:36] >> It's a I mean, it's the next
[31:38] >> It's September 9th.
[31:41] And And Bob, you can any amended pages
[31:45] could can be submitted. You do not need
[31:47] to do the entire, if the drawing is
[31:49] going to be amended at all, you would
[31:51] resubmit that.
[31:52] >> Okay.
[31:52] >> And any documents, but you don't have to
[31:54] do all of them.
[31:55] >> Right.
[31:55] >> Just any amended ones.
[31:57] >> Okay.
[31:57] >> Thanks.
[31:58] >> Yeah, so it's, you know, 29 days from
[32:00] now.
[32:01] >> Okay.
[32:03] Um, okay.
[32:05] All right. Well, then we'll we will
[32:06] close the preliminary unless you have
[32:08] more you want to say.
[32:09] Okay. Does anybody else have any any
[32:11] comments or questions before we discuss
[32:12] it?
[32:16] Okay. So, we'll close the preliminary
[32:17] hearing and then we can have our
[32:19] discussion. We can vote to
[32:21] um, move this on to public hearing or we
[32:23] can,
[32:25] um,
[32:26] you know, request additional
[32:28] information.
[32:31] I say that moving on to public hearing.
[32:34] >> Yeah. It's is a not a not a further
[32:36] preliminary hearing. I uh
[32:39] >> I think we actually need a little bit
[32:40] more information.
[32:42] >> Okay.
[32:43] >> That's my opinion.
[32:46] » And is it Okay. And is it You would
[32:48] propose then to delay this? Or
[32:51] >> Yeah, come back with the rest of the information and see
[32:55] where we're at.
[32:56] I don't know.
[32:56] >> Right.
[32:57] >> Okay.
[32:58] >> Or I guess we can do it at that time,
[33:00] too. We can move just move it ahead if
[33:02] you want.
[33:04] >> Well, no. I mean, I think I think this
[33:05] is this is one of those you know,
[33:07] scenarios where like
[33:09] uh you know, we we do feel like we need
[33:12] more information, right?
[33:13] >> Um that the they have the opportunity to
[33:16] provide it to us at the before the
[33:17] public hearing.
[33:19] Um but then if we don't have it, then
[33:21] we're either denying the petition
[33:23] because we don't have the information we
[33:25] need and it's their burden of proof to
[33:26] establish it, or we're continuing the
[33:28] public hearing
[33:30] so that they can provide the
[33:31] information. Um
[33:33] so if you'd rather have you know, this
[33:35] is really a the preliminary hearing is
[33:37] really for them to get a preview. In my
[33:39] view, it's to get a preview of what
[33:40] we're going to do at the public hearing.
[33:43] Um
[33:45] but if if you if you're not comfortable
[33:46] moving this to public hearing without
[33:48] the information we have, then that's our
[33:50] I mean, that's our prerogative and
[33:51] that's our decision.
[33:52] >> Would I be supplying that additional
[33:54] information like 2 weeks before the
[33:56] public hearing?
[33:57] >> Well, that's the question, right?
[33:59] >> right.
[34:00] >> I got you.
[34:04] Yeah, I mean, I think we clearly can't
[34:06] make a
[34:06] If this was a public hearing, we really
[34:08] we could not make a decision right now,
[34:10] right?
[34:11] So, we'd be faced
[34:11] >> kind of my thought.
[34:16] » I I'm clear at the with the information
[34:20] with the exception of that the back, you
[34:23] know, setback, which we'll just find
[34:25] out.
[34:25] >> Right.
[34:26] >> You know, what it whether you're going
[34:27] to need a variance or not, that's that's
[34:28] pretty binary. You're they're going to
[34:29] need it or you're not.
[34:30] >> Sure.
[34:31] >> Yeah. Um and lot coverage, which it
[34:33] looks like you're well within limits,
[34:35] but we we just need a a definitive
[34:37] number on. So, I'm I'm pretty clear if if but it'll be incumbent upon you to
[34:42] make sure we get that information.
[34:45] >> Okay.
[34:46] >> Yeah, and I mean, my my thought would be
[34:48] is if you're very confident that you can
[34:50] get us this information,
[34:52] um, I would I would
[34:55] be okay with moving it on to public
[34:56] hearing, but if you don't get it in on
[34:59] time or you don't get it to us, then we
[35:01] shouldn't move you know, we're going to
[35:03] have to continue it.
[35:04] >> Right.
[35:05] To the next month or whatever.
[35:08] Yeah, well, give just give us a chance
[35:10] to get it 2 weeks before the public
[35:12] hearing and
[35:13] we'll go from there.
[35:16] That's all right with you guys.
[35:18] >> Well, if you set it for public hearing,
[35:20] you have other timeline requirements for
[35:23] the paper notice, uh, and then the
[35:26] mailing to neighbors.
[35:28] >> Right.
[35:29] >> So, you've got to get all of that going
[35:31] >> Right.
[35:31] >> at at kind of the same time.
[35:33] >> As well.
[35:34] >> If you feel confident in that.
[35:36] >> Yeah.
[35:37] >> So, the 2-week deadline, that is not
[35:39] your only, uh, deadline that you'll have
[35:41] for the public hearing.
[35:43] >> Okay.
[35:43] >> So, just keep that in mind.
[35:49] » John and Joan, do you you guys
[35:50] understand?
[36:09] » Well,
[36:09] >> Yeah, it's just an for a variance for
[36:11] the for the setback for the front.
[36:13] >> Right.
[36:14] >> If your building also require and what
[36:16] you know, that's that's one thing we can
[36:18] approve, but if you also need a setback
[36:20] for the back,
[36:21] >> Right.
[36:22] >> that that doesn't come included.
[36:24] You have to ask for both of them.
[36:26] And if you don't ask for both and you
[36:27] start building your garage, you're going
[36:28] to be out of compliance.
[36:30] >> Well, yeah, well, worse, you're not
[36:32] going to get a permit, right? You're
[36:33] going to be back at the building
[36:34] commission, and they're going to deny
[36:35] the permit because you don't have a
[36:36] variance.
[36:38] This is really more belts and suspenders
[36:40] than it is anything else.
[36:43] If it's necessary.
[36:44] >> We're not sure.
[36:45] >> Or we already got
[36:46] >> Wasn't on the
[36:47] >> It
[36:47] doesn't show us that, but if you scale
[36:50] off of that print, it would suggest that
[36:53] you you need that.
[36:55] Uh
[36:57] the print might be not to scale.
[37:00] In which case, okay.
[37:02] That's fine.
[37:04] Yeah.
[37:09] Sure it does.
[37:14] But it's got the garage right on it.
[37:15] It's It's got the garage right on top of
[37:17] the old shed.
[37:18] >> He's got the future. Yeah, proposed.
[37:21] >> It's right.
[37:23] I just did a rough math on my phone. If I could If you guys don't mind.
[37:29] Speaking [clears throat] from that that
[37:31] outline, that's a 48.4
[37:35] across. I just subtracted the amount of
[37:37] the 26-ft garage, and what looks to be
[37:40] about 3 ft of the front driveway,
[37:44] and we're at 19 and 1/2 ft right now.
[37:47] >> Yeah.
[37:48] >> So, if we
[37:49] need to make the garage 25 ft or whatever, we can do
[37:53] that, too.
[37:55] That would be within that 20 ft.
[37:57] Correct?
[37:58] >> Well,
[37:59] whatever, you just want to ask for what you need.
[38:04] Sure.
[38:05] So,
[38:07] >> But if they're saying right now that
[38:09] they'll adjust the
[38:11] construction details
[38:13] based upon the rear setback. I mean, I
[38:15] That's
[38:15] >> Then you won't need a variance. Yeah,
[38:16] then you won't need a Then you won't
[38:18] need a second variance.
[38:19] >> Right. So, we
[38:20] >> But that's your call.
[38:21] >> We got to be 20 ft from the rear lot
[38:23] line.
[38:23] >> Exactly.
[38:24] >> Yeah. Okay.
[38:26] Well, you know, I mean it sounds to me
[38:28] like
[38:29] that issue's not necessarily before us
[38:31] right now. The only issue before us is
[38:32] the front side back. And it sounds like
[38:35] they either have confidence that they
[38:37] meet the rear setback requirements or
[38:39] they'll amend or they'll shorten the
[38:41] garage. So,
[38:43] um with those kind of
[38:45] thoughts in mind, I'm I would be okay
[38:47] with moving this forward to
[38:49] um
[38:50] a public hearing for the sole purpose of
[38:52] the one variance you're asking for.
[38:56] >> Well, there was actually two. There was
[38:57] 154 right 107 and
[39:00] >> But they're both related to the correct,
[39:01] but they're both related to the front
[39:02] setback.
[39:03] >> Right.
[39:03] >> Yeah.
[39:04] >> And for use.
[39:06] >> Correct. Okay. Um
[39:13] Okay.
[39:15] I'm not sure.
[39:17] I'm sorry.
[39:18] Okay.
[39:23] All right. So, I'll I'll make a motion
[39:24] to move this on to public hearing.
[39:27] >> I'll second it.
[39:28] >> All in favor say I.
[39:30] >> I.
[39:32] >> Okay. So, that's four.
[39:34] All right. So, we're moving on to public
[39:35] hearing.
[39:36] The public hearing will be September 9th
[39:38] at 7:00 p.m.
[39:39] Um I think Meg you
[39:42] there's the posting and advertise and
[39:44] mailing requirements for
[39:46] uh noticing the meeting to
[39:48] the people you know, within the radius.
[39:51] Um I think Meg has a packet that you can
[39:54] use.
[39:55] >> It's just in the information packet.
[39:57] >> Okay.
[39:57] >> All the information.
[39:58] >> Is So, you'll you'll have to, you know,
[40:01] give the green cards or proof of mailing
[40:02] for all of that prior to the meeting and
[40:04] meet all the other requirements
[40:06] um to to to open the public meeting.
[40:09] Um you know, and then if you need to
[40:10] amend your your petition,
[40:13] you need to do it within 2 weeks of of
[40:15] that deadline.
[40:16] >> Okay.
[40:19] » Can do.
[40:25] » All right. So, um
[40:30] Public hearings are none. I'll entertain
[40:32] a motion to adjourn the meeting.
[40:34] >> So moved.
[40:35] >> All in favor say I.
[40:36] >> I.
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