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You are watching Access Leaport County

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Channel 97. Coming up next is the

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September 14th [music] meeting for the

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Long Beach Town Council. You can find

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meeting by visiting www.acess

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leaport county.org.

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» Welcome everyone to the September town

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council meeting. Let's please stand for

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the pledge.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America to the

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stand,

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liberty and justice for ally.

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Amen.

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» Thank you. Meg, could you do roll call,

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please?

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>> Sure. President Joy Schmidt,

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>> here.

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>> Vice President Anita Remis,

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>> present. Kendra Bartlett,

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>> here. Colleen Lane

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>> here.

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>> Cindy Levy

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>> here.

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>> Attorney Willoughby

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>> present.

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>> Chief Swiss

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>> present.

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>> Clerk Collins I am present. And that

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concludes role.

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Uh thank you. I have no opening remarks.

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Uh the consent agenda tonight includes

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the approval of the minutes council

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meeting August 10th, 2026. Town Council

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Executive Session August 17, 2026.

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Building revenue report for August 2026.

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Permits approved totaling $2,21,385

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with revenue of $25,515.82.

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Five electric permits with revenue of

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$99. One street cut permit with revenue

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of 200.

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Invoices for payment approval. Sender

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Dalton, July Town invoice 12873 for

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$3,23546.

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Sender Dalton August town invoice 12951

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for $4,616.94.

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Sender Dalton August water invoice 12952

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for $47.50.

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H Jan August 2026 closeout invoice

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2024361-20

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for 225.74

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house September invoice

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2024374-13

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for 23523.75

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lw wall constructors LLC July invoice

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number 3286 for $933.33

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3. Elwall Constructors LLC August

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invoice for number 3287 for $8,695.83.

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Uh note, Council Member Colleen Lane is

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going to recuse herself from the

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consideration and all decisions

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regarding invoices from and payments to

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LW wall constructors.

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Claims approval town checks

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number 22821

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through 22884

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totaling $149,34549.

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Note, council member Colleen Lane will

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recuse herself from the consideration

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and all decisions regarding payments to

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LW wall constructors LLC.

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Water checks number 55565

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to 55769

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totaling $171,311.

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August payroll $81,82169.

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July combined bank reconciliation.

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We'll be taking two votes tonight for

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the consent agenda. One to prove all

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matters except those involving LW wall

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constructors constructors LLC and two

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matters involving LL Wall L Wall

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Constructors LLC for which council

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member Colleen Lane recuses herself from

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consideration in all decisions.

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Chris, is there you want to jump in

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I think you did great. So I think that

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it would be appropriate if inclined to

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take the first vote to approve all

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matters on the consent agenda except

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otherwise accepted

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regarding a wall constructors LLC.

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>> Okay, I will make that motion. Do we

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have a second?

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>> Second. Anita Remiges.

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>> Uh any discussion?

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>> Just to be clear. So Mrs. Lane gets to

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vote on this portion and she is you are

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not you voting on LW wall constructors

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LLC matters.

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Uh any other discussion? All in favor

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say I.

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>> I. Any opposed?

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Thank you. Uh okay for the second or

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second vote. Um if you're inclined then

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someone a motion and a second to approve

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uh payment of the LW wall constructor's

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invoices and authorize those claims

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under the claims approval and from which

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if she is inclined Mrs. Lane will recuse

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herself from any consideration.

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I'll recuse myself for any consideration

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of El Wolf constructor's

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um payment approval or claim approval in

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the town checks.

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>> Okay. With Colleen recusing herself, I

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would make a motion to approve

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all matters involving the LW wall

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constructors LLC,

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>> including payment of invoices and the

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claims um register. Yes, including that

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All in favor say I. I.

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>> I. Any opposed? Thank you. Uh we'll now

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open up for public comments which will

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be limited to three minutes. So, anyone

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in the audience have any public

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comments? Sean, can you step up to the

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podium there and make sure the

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microphone is on?

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>> My name is Sean Casmmer. I live at Stop

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16 in Long Beach. We our family's been

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there since 1970. I had heard that

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somebody wanted to start to basically

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kill deer. And I strongly want to

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push back against that. All the people

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that I know around where I live deer.

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I'm doing like 70 80 hours a week this

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summer behind a computer, which I love

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doing. It's not bad. But when I get out

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and I see like these deers, it's a big

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important thing to me. It's not just a

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little thing. you really get inspired

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and that's why we're here is because of

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nature and I want people to consider

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especially the council if there's some

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way that we can look at the people that

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want to kill the deer and get them to

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move some kind of resolution some kind

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of penalty or ticket if they

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start to bother the deer and people like

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that shouldn't be living here because

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from what little I see cuz I'm so busy

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I'm not as connected as

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there's a strong I'd say 70% at least

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strong favor for nature and for the

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deers. So whoever is wanting to kill

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deer that seems like a little bit out

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from what the majority of people really

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want. And I want to summarize by saying

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that for me seeing nature is like being

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near God especially if you're pushing

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yourself and you got to deal with things

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that you don't really want to deal with

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like politicians or politics. So, in

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that sense, I just want to summarize by

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saying that there's a very strong need

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and desire for nature and to protect all

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the deers. I mean, that's why Moon

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Valley is there. So, when you go out,

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you can actually see some. And I thank

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you very much for your patience. And I

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would really like to consider that if we

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get a lot of push back from these people

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that shouldn't be here, if they don't

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like nature, if there's something that

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we couldn't do that other people in the

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in America have done and take what they

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have done and replicate that here and I

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can research that if if anybody needs

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that. So, thank you so much for your

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time and for your patience.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Sean. And

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>> thank you for your service, too, for all

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the stuff you do here.

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>> Thank you. Uh any more comments, public

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comments in the audience here? Any

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public comments on Zoom?

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Uh, seeing none, we'll move on to

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committee reports.

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Um, police department Chief Swiss.

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>> Good evening. For the month of August,

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the Long Beach Police Department

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responded to 356 calls for service when

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compared to 450 in the previous year for

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a decrease of 94 calls.

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During the month of August, 16 I'm

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sorry, 13 incident reports were

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documented and a total of two

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individuals were arrested. One felony

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arrest for dealing marijuana, one

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misdemeanor arrest for driving with a

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suspended license. Um, no major concerns

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um to pass along from August. However,

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um in the last week, we have been

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investigating three separate attempted

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um burglary investigations from stop 29

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to stop 31. Um the investigations are

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still ongoing. Um our deputies are

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working with um the Leaport County

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Sheriff's Department officials um

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because we believe our suspect is

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related to one of their recent

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investigations as well. Um, we would

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like to thank um a resident that was

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able to provide us with some security

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footage from one of the locations that

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was very helpful putting together a

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timeline and providing us with a vehicle

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description. Um, based off of that

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vehicle description, we have been able

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to utilize our license plate reader

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system, our LPR flock system here in the

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town and we have since identified the

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vehicle and is assisting the

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investigators throughout the

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investigation. So, um that information

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um actually was very helpful for the

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other authorities as well and um hope to

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give you more information in the

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following weeks, but right now the only

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thing I can say is it's under

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investigation and our deputies are well

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aware what happened there and we are

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actively working on it. So can't say

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enough um making sure that you know your

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vehicles are always locked, no property

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in plain sight and sight in vehicles and

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then also um related to your homes um

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just making sure that you have adequate

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lighting around your home at night and

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if you have a security system at your

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home um especially a camera system just

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every once in a while test it to make

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sure that it is recording and that you

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do have that footage because it is very

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beneficial for us when these unfortunate

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um crimes do occur. It helps us

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immensely.

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And then um next month I will begin

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conversations with the communities of

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the Dunland Beach Association and the

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Town of Michigan Shores. Um the

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contracts, police service contracts with

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both of those communities um shortly

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after the first of the year will be

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coming up for renewal. Um, so I'll

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report back to the town council how

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those conversations go and then um we'll

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have to get uh new contracts for renewal

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um probably in either December or

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January before the council.

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And there is no police commission

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meeting. We have one scheduled for this

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Thursday. However, I'm cancelling it at

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this time. May reschedule. Um but I

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don't have any new business to present

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this week. Um but I may reschedu here in

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the near future. And that's it from the

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police department report.

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>> Thank you, town administrator, Chief

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>> Couple of things. Um, one dating back to

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August 11th, um, we had the unfortunate

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high winds storm that impacted all of

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northwest Indiana, the town of Long

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Beach. Actually, we made it out of that

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um, fairly well compared to other

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communities to the west. Um, but I do

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want to take a moment to thank our Long

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Beach Volunteer Fire Department. Um, the

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police department. um they worked

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together handinand during that storm. Um

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made a great impact to the community,

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getting the roadways open, making sure

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that our residents were cared for. So, a

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big thank you to our emergency first

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responders. Um to our street department

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and water department team, um they

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worked for weeks after that storm just

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cleaning up our community. So, a big

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thank you to all of the um public uh

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works members for all the work that they

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did cleaning that up. uh Melrose Park

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last week. Uh the cleanup there was uh

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completed and we're very pleased with

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the overall work that was done to clean

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the rubber matting and the park

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equipment. At the community center, two

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new heat pumps were installed in the

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gymnasium. They still have a little bit

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of work to finish. Um some sheet metal

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work needs to be completed. Um both the

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units are functional currently. However,

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there's a few punch list items they need

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to complete there. And then lastly, just

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want to get information out on the fall

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leaf collection. That will be on next

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month's agenda in front of the council.

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Tenatively, we are looking at November

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2nd through December 4th. It'll be a

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fiveweek um cleanup throughout the town.

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um working with Tom and Healey's

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Landscaping will be submitting a

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contract to the council prior to your

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October meeting.

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That's all I have.

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>> Thank you. Volunteer

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>> say just one thing. I think um and maybe

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you mentioned it, but there was a group

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of people I think Dave Alers and a

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couple others who actually put their

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personal numbers into I think you called

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it we care and that I I'm trying to

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remember who else it was. Um but that

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was really very nice of you to do that.

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>> It was and they um I know posted it on u

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we sent a mass email out social media.

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Um, I figured Chief Elers was going to

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talk about that, so I didn't want to,

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>> sorry,

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>> steal his thunder there, but hopefully

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he'll touch on that for us. [laughter]

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>> Volunteer Fire Department Dave.

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» Good evening, everyone. This is a report

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uh for the first eight months of

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activity in the town of Long Beach. As

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far as the fire department's concerned,

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year to date, we're at 82 fire calls.

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were up um 8% 76 the same period last

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year 57 of the calls have been in Long

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Beach, 19 in Dulan and six in Michigan

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Shores.

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The breakdown uh for the month itself,

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we had one fire call and that was a

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mutual aid uh assisting uh Michigan on a

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residential fire.

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We had nine

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hazardous conditions, which ties into

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what Mark was talking about August 11th.

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Um, trees, power lines, I'm sure there

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may have been some that we sort of tried

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to take care of that weren't even called

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in. And then we had eight false alarms

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for a total of 16 calls in the month

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itself.

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Number of members showing up for fire

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stands at nine members.

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We go to medical, we're I guess it's a

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good thing we're trailing than what we

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were last year. 66 year to date compared

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to 77.

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65 of the calls have been in Long Beach.

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One was in Dulan

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uh as a mutual aid request.

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The breakdown itself for the month, we

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had one respiratory respiratory call,

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two personal injuries, two sick persons,

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and two unconscious victims and one

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medical alert

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for the eight that took place in August.

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Average turnout of personnel,

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five members.

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Our year-to- date overall response time

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for fire stands at 5 minutes 16 seconds.

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Medical is 4 minutes and 37 seconds. Our

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members have donated

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2,848

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hours uh year to date. And I'm going to

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I'll come back to

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uh that August 11th event. One of the

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things that we're

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be before I leave the department, one of

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my goals is to challenge the department

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to be

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a class

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three department from an ISO standard.

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The town used the fire department used

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to be class five 10 is sort of you

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really don't have a fire department one

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only a handful that achieved that um we

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moved up to four and I can't remember

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how many years ago and I want to

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challenge the members to go for three

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class three and to me that is in and of

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itself

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If we can achieve that, we're a great

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department now, but if we can track

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things a little differently using

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software and everything comes down to

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being able to track what happens in the

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fire department from the minute a call

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goes off until you come back and

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everything in between. Every time a

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member walks in that building, I want to

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know what are you doing? Are you going

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to fitness? Are you going to work on the

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trucks? And the more we can keep track

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of that utilizing software,

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I think we can achieve this. I mean, we

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are a tremendous department now, but I'd

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like to be able to say we're a class

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three because the difference between

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a higher number class and where we are,

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hundreds of dollars as far as what your

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uh homeowner's premium is. the the lower

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the number ISO,

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the insurance company will look and

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hopefully lower your premiums. So,

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that's a goal to shoot for, but for me,

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it's personal. I know we can do it. I

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know we're already there, but we have to

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prove it in

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numbers. And that is one of the things I

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am going to strive for. And I hope I can live long enough to achieve

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that. Coming back to what Mark talked

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about, I was going to and I know I've

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said this before. It's not I'm trying

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not to blow smoke up his skirt, but he has provided so much personal

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opinion, so much leadership to this

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community, to the residents, to the

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council,

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to the employees, the police officers,

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more so than the town manager,

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because

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we have such a unique relationship with

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the police. now and it's

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we want to help each other that night.

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Let's see. Matt Dispro, I think, was

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out.

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I mean, maybe some other officers came

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in. I'm not sure, but I I just I look

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back and I think, man, this is the way

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it's supposed to be. And that's how I've

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always envisioned it for this town.

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not where a small group of people have

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their

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fifoms.

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It's where we're working together to

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make this the best community we can.

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And I'm starting my blood pressure is

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starting to go up. But I just I'm so

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thankful that Mark is part of our team

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and I personally thank you from the

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bottom of my heart.

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>> Thank you.

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Any questions?

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No. Thanks, Dave.

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And thank you, Mark. Uh, fire commission

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is going to meet this Thursday, uh, at

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400 p.m. right here in this room if

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anyone's interested.

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Uh, Nerpsy, Colleen,

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>> um, Nerpsy meets quarterly. So, our next

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meeting is November 17th at 9:00 a.m.

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>> Okay. Public works, Kendra.

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Our next meeting is um September 28th.

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The last meeting before that was June

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22nd because we as well public works

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meets quarterly.

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Storm water board Cindy

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>> um storm water board is going to be

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meeting on Monday, September 28th at

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8:30 a.m.

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>> Thank you. Park board Kendra.

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So, the garden walk date has been set

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for June 26, 2027. Summer camp has ended

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with 140 total kids. First Saturday Arts

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has started. Um, the park department is

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moving ahead with getting more finalized

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quotes from RVI, the uh company they

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chose to help with the tennis court

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pickle ball park um rehabilitation.

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They're looking to raise $100,000 for

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that. Hoping to get 50,000 or more from

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residents and then a matching grant for

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50

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uh Melrose Park. Mark already touched on

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this and just want to thank you Mark for

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coordinating all that. Um and it's not

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an easy job. So that's all cleaned up

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now. Power wash the equipment and as

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Mark said the clean that poured rubber

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surface mat.

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Um ongoing stop maintenance at 19 and

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23. Um, apparently Ellen may touch on

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this, but at 24 there's a black locust

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tree coming down. Um, some maintenance

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to a bench at stop 16 and um they're

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also looking at replacing um maybe

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working with Cindy on this, the

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replacement of the beach signs, the stop

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signs um not the red car stop signs, but

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stop two or stop 1923, those type thing

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signs. Um, so they're looking into that

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and also looking at a new swing set at

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the upper Melrose or Triangle Park over

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there at Stop 20, which is not the main

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Melrose Park, but the one on um I forget

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those streets up there. Um, it's just a

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little small area right now, but they're

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looking at replacing um the swing

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[clears throat] set up there.

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They're aware of the benches in the main

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park that need repair, and they're

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working on that. Um, invasive cleanup is

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still going on by PZOS, which is the

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third party um, contractor company

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they're working with to help control the

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invasive species at stop 24. And I just

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want to give um kudos again to Paul and

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Zach on the park board for leading the

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huge project on the courts tennis courts

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remodel and for just their open

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transparency and help holding extra

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workshops um this whole time to answer

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people's questions along with tons of

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emails and just lots of great

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communication gathering feedback from

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everyone. And the park board next

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meeting is September 22nd so next week.

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>> Thank you. community center. Anita,

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>> the community center did not meet uh

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Labor Day, September 7th. The update on

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the vinyl flooring at the two entrances

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to the building, which will really clean

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things up. The carpet will not be a

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mess, will be taking place in the next

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two weeks, week or two. Um and our next

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there have been other uh repairs that

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have been done but um nothing

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significant to report and our next

549
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600
meeting is October 5th

550
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,960
>> at 2 p.m.

551
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,159
>> Thank you. Budget and finance Meg.

552
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:56,480
>> Budget and finance met on September 1st

553
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,679
and went through the 2027 budget. We

554
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:02,000
went through each fund and discussed any

555
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,480
outstanding items. The budget was

556
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,360
noticed. Then on September 2nd, I had it

557
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,279
got it entered on I believe the 1st and

558
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,039
the first reading in the public hearing

559
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,760
will be held this evening and then the

560
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,919
totals were distributed to council as

561
00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:20,640
part of the meeting packet. The August

562
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,159
town and water bank wrecks are

563
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:24,000
completed. The Bank of New York

564
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,520
apparently the after the Indianapolis

565
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,400
office closed or not office but

566
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,480
location. So we our contact stopped

567
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520
responding and uh long story short we

568
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,279
just don't he used to email the

569
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,880
statement so that we didn't have to wait

570
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,559
on the one that comes physically in the

571
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,960
mail but this la this month and last

572
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,679
month we've had to wait. So once New

573
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:50,000
York bank wreck is completed after we

574
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,919
received the statement then I'll

575
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:54,080
distribute financials including the cash

576
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,919
allocation report the revenue expense

577
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,480
reports and fund projections to the

578
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,279
department heads and council.

579
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,120
The, as I said, the first reading of the

580
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,640
budget is this evening with the second

581
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
reading and the adoption scheduled for

582
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,200
the October 12th council meeting. And

583
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,360
our next meeting will be held October

584
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,679
6th at 10 a.m.

585
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:16,799
>> Thank you. Human resources, Cindy.

586
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,600
>> Uh, human resources uh did meet on

587
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,279
Monday, August 17th. Um,

588
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,919
uh, chief reported on the open billing

589
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:29,679
inspector position. there was some uh

590
00:26:29,679 --> 00:26:32,480
lengthy discussion about uh adopting an

591
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,559
AI policy for the employee manual and

592
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,120
that discussion is going to continue at

593
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,360
our next meeting which will be Wednesday

594
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,799
September 23rd at 9:00 a.m.

595
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,840
>> Thank you.

596
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,830
>> Uh tree board Ellen,

597
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,520
» the tree board did not meet this month.

598
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,200
We're going to be meeting in September.

599
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,279
The only thing we're working on now is a

600
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,000
list of trees that I work with Chief and

601
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,559
Tom Dolph and then we'll decide, you

602
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,279
know, um which ones are coming down. I

603
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,799
know some people are concerned about

604
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,640
certain trees and we listen to

605
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,840
everybody. So, um and Kendra, stop 24, a

606
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,640
black lost is falling down. Did you just

607
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,080
say that? That was on um Yeah, I was I

608
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,279
thought you would have more information

609
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,840
than me. They said that

610
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,320
maybe the Pisos uh people gave them that

611
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,000
information. They said it needed to be

612
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,120
removed that it was dying.

613
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,360
>> Oh, I you know I'm not not thinking stop

614
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,279
24. Yeah, that part of that was an

615
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,760
invasive thing. Janu Janice would

616
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,120
probably have the most information about

617
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,640
that because she worked she goes over

618
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,080
for all the times they're there. Okay.

619
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,679
All right. I'll look into it though.

620
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:42,960
Okay. Okay. All right.

621
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960
>> And um that's it.

622
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,310
>> Thank you.

623
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,159
Uh, the building commission met on 8:21

624
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:54,240
and [clears throat] 911. Permits

625
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,120
approved. 2528 Lakeshore Drive for a

626
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,159
landscaping plan. 1503 Lakeshore Drive

627
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,440
for a new addition. 2016 Golden Gate for

628
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,440
a rebuild of existing entry stoop. 2964

629
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,279
Lakeshore Drive for an addition over a

630
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,039
garage. 2816 Elbridge for remove and

631
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,159
replace decking. 2113 Lakeshore Drive

632
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,480
for a new septic,

633
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,440
1414 Lakeshore Drive for sand removal

634
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,559
and regrade. And I just want to state

635
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,720
here that all of the sand removal

636
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,000
projects involve meeting with the comm

637
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,600
the contractor has to meet with the

638
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,120
homeowner and the uh and the building

639
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,720
commissioner, Larry Wall, before

640
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,880
anything is started. They've got to take

641
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,120
pre- pictures and post pictures and they

642
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,600
meet with Larry F.

643
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,600
uh project is completed. Uh 1416

644
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Lakeshore Drive sand removal and

645
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840
regrade. 1420 Lakeshore Drive sand

646
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,440
removal and regrade. 2011 June Drive for

647
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,480
a pool. They received a variance uh but

648
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,640
from the BZA.

649
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,039
2010 Lakeshore Drive sand removal and

650
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,600
regrade. 2016 Lakeshore Drive sand

651
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,960
removal and regrade. 2234 Lakeshore

652
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,399
Drive Sand Removal and Regrade. 2230

653
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:14,159
Lakeshore Drive Sand Removal and

654
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:17,520
Regrade. 2206 Chasselton Kitchen and

655
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,039
Deck Edition. 2520 Shorewood, a

656
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,960
perimeter fence around the entire

657
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,360
property. Uh most of it will only be 4T

658
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,240
tall. Uh portion of it will be 5T tall.

659
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840
Uh 2943 Lakeshore Drive, extend

660
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,159
retaining wall to enclose a wash out

661
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:42,320
area. Uh Larry Wall recused himself.

662
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,279
2925 Lakeshore Drive, demolition of an

663
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,200
existing house and deck. Larry Wall

664
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,200
recused himself. 2306 Lakeshore Drive,

665
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120
new beach stairs compliant with the

666
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,399
shore protection standards. 2922

667
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,720
Lakeshore Drive, switched plumber on a

668
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,919
new home. Larry Wall recused himself. Uh

669
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,159
the APC requested a recommendation from

670
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,159
the building commission for setbacks in

671
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:08,000
business zoning districts. The building

672
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,600
commission recommends they be the same

673
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,840
as residential.

674
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480
A stop work order was issued to 1528

675
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720
Lakeshore Drive. A wall was built on top

676
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,279
of a deck not included in the permit and

677
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,080
it violates view protection. A motion

678
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,159
was made to start the process to set a

679
00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:25,840
public hearing to address continued

680
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,039
violations with this contractor.

681
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,480
Uh that was it for the building

682
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,080
commission.

683
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,240
and BZA met on August 12th, 2026.

684
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,399
2011 June Way Drive had a public

685
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:40,159
hearing. Their variance was approved for

686
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:44,080
a pool in the setback. 1701 Story A had

687
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,960
a preliminary hearing. It was set for

688
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000
public hearing on 9926.

689
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880
Uh the 9926 public hearing was cancelled

690
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,880
due to improper notice by the applicant.

691
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,549
Any questions?

692
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,520
Thank you. Uh APC Anita

693
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,520
>> Advisory Plan Commission met on August

694
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,120
17th.

695
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Um there was uh the three

696
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,480
representatives of McKenna who were

697
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,200
working with us on the update to the

698
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,039
advisory to the um comprehensive plan uh

699
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,799
were with us on Zoom and we went through

700
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,919
what they have provided us um based on

701
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:31,360
our feedback and uh they will now be

702
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,320
making additional changes to the draft

703
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,519
of the update to the 2016 comprehensive

704
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,640
plan. Um, so far we don't have it, but

705
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,519
um, that should be coming to us and

706
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,360
hopefully it will be considered at our

707
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,919
next meeting, which will be a week from

708
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:52,720
today, September 21st at 700 p.m.

709
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,200
>> Thank you. We'll move on to unfinished

710
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600
business, uh, new salt storage building

711
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240
construction update.

712
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,559
In recent weeks, I have been in

713
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,039
communication with both of our

714
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,880
contractors that were awarded that

715
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,240
project. The state of Indiana um

716
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,399
Homeland Security Division has our

717
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:15,360
certificate of design release for

718
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640
review. Currently, um the town had to

719
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,880
file a variance for the foundation due

720
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,799
to the fact that the salt building is

721
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:29,919
not a typical um residential or

722
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:32,640
commercial foundation. So therefore, it

723
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,039
required a variance. Um it's just a

724
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,640
matter of policy with the um more or

725
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,159
less building commission homeland

726
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:42,000
security division. We're just waiting

727
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,320
for that variance to come back and then

728
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,440
our completed CDR will go back to the

729
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,200
state for review and hope to hear

730
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,519
something in the next two weeks. Once

731
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,440
that is released, then the contractors

732
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,279
will give us an updated timeline on

733
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,600
construction.

734
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,039
>> Thank you. Uh Marsh paving project

735
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,799
review of quotes from Rereath Riley and

736
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,240
Milestone Paving.

737
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,240
>> This particular project we have been

738
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,080
working on since the spring of this

739
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,760
year. Um those of you who have traveled

740
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,559
out to Marsh Court um would have seen

741
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,360
the poor condition that that roadway is

742
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,240
in currently. We've received

743
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
information, photographs, emails from

744
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,159
residents along that corridor as well.

745
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:31,440
Um part of the overall issue with

746
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Marshia Court is over the years the

747
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,360
garbage trucks and recycling trucks have

748
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,080
gotten larger. And these large trucks

749
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720
when they turn the very tight radius on

750
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Marsh Court as you're traveling into

751
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360
Marsh Court making that first lefthand

752
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,640
turn, that radius, um I just drove it a

753
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,679
week ago is now becoming even worse than

754
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,919
what it was 2 months ago. Um with all

755
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:57,679
the heavy rains that we've had this year

756
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:00,240
as well, um what asphalt that was

757
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,799
remaining there is all washed out. Um we

758
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,360
are now down to the bare earth and sand

759
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,079
that's there and um it is just a

760
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,560
complete muddy mess through there. We

761
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,879
have a drainage structure that is about

762
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:15,359
at the halfway point of Marsh Court as

763
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:19,919
well. Um it is undized. Um it is aging

764
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,560
and is not performing in the manner that

765
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,800
it should. Um therefore it's been

766
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,839
recommended to replace that particular

767
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:31,359
drywall drywall structure there. um

768
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,520
they're going to be replacing it with an

769
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,079
1825galon

770
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,200
brand new dry well to include um

771
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,440
concrete on the approaches leading to

772
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,240
that drywall system. Just the storm

773
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:48,000
water work alone on that roadway is

774
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,800
going to run approximately

775
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,710
$35,550.

776
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,480
um that includes the concrete work

777
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,119
around the structure and then um the

778
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:00,960
23,250

779
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,880
for the drywall drywall itself. We have

780
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,880
solicited two um separate quotes for

781
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,920
this project. The first was from Rereath

782
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,720
Riley Construction. The second was from

783
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,839
Milestone Construction. We have reviewed

784
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,800
and compared both quotes for the scope

785
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,000
of work. um the shoulders and the

786
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
radiuses that I described earlier. The

787
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,960
proposals from both of these contractors

788
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,240
is to remove any of the existing asphalt

789
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:38,800
to a depth of 15 in. We will then rather

790
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,599
than replacing that with asphalt, they

791
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,560
would pour concrete in these areas. um

792
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,280
concrete will sustain much longer the

793
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,520
impact of these heavy trucks traveling

794
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,480
through those radiuses and um that will

795
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,240
be done at both um the first lefthand

796
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,720
turn and then the left I'm sorry the

797
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,520
second lefthand turn as you come out um

798
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,880
going back onto Mount Clair. So, when

799
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,079
looking at both of these, um, the lowest

800
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,000
quote received was from that of Rereath

801
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,829
Riley for $132,650.

802
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:20,320
And then the proposal received from

803
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:26,550
um milestone construction was $138,889.

804
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,950
Um that difference

805
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,560
um

806
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,760
we tried did not try on this one to get

807
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,839
three. Um we were only able to get two

808
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:40,480
quotes on this particular project. So

809
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,839
but I think that we're still under

810
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:44,160
150,000

811
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,079
or is it required? I'm sorry. I'll turn

812
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:46,400
over.

813
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,000
>> Sorry. You have to solicit three. You

814
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,800
don't have to receive three.

815
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,920
>> My apologies. Um we only received and

816
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520
solicited two on this. Um, so yeah,

817
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,880
that's kind of where we're at on this

818
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,000
one. So I guess

819
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,200
um we're getting at a time crunch

820
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,119
because the mills will start to close in

821
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,079
November and um the construction season

822
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:14,720
will close upon us soon. So

823
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:18,000
yeah, and just by nature of process, but

824
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,040
you are required. So, you know, maybe if

825
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,960
you have not to add to your meetings if

826
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,800
you have to have a special meeting if if

827
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,280
something comes up, but I would at well,

828
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,680
you're required to invite even if you

829
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,760
don't get at least for the record be

830
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,839
able to establish that you've requested

831
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,720
three.

832
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,720
>> Where is the funding coming from for

833
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,200
this? Megan and I spoke about that

834
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,040
earlier, but she can touch on that from

835
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,079
the various paving projects in that. Um,

836
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:50,160
I did I guess going back to I originally

837
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,400
did get three quotes. Indiana asphalt

838
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,640
was also they quoted it. However, they

839
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,760
couldn't do the drywall work. So,

840
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,839
>> I do have, so now that I think about it,

841
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:06,000
I do have a quote from Indiana asphalt

842
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,640
and uh Indiana asphalts um was only for

843
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,079
the re the milling and the resurfacing

844
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,320
and um I'd have to pull it up on email

845
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,960
for you, but it was in the 60,000 range,

846
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,640
but it did not cover any of the storm

847
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,240
water work. it did not cover the

848
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,640
extensive work at the corners for the

849
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,280
concrete and the buildup of the radiuses

850
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,640
as well. So

851
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,320
>> yeah, so I I would say as long as that

852
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,800
gets put in the record with these and

853
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,720
because it wasn't responsive to the

854
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,560
specs that were sent out in the request

855
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,560
that you could go ahead and and that

856
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,720
would be a formal one as long as chief

857
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,480
were to provide that to me to put in the

858
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,359
record.

859
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,680
I spent a lot of today working on the

860
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,720
capital plan to confirm the questions

861
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,480
that would arise tonight with some of

862
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,880
these projects and our overall uh we

863
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,200
would we would be okay to afford this

864
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,079
project. So we've got uh additional

865
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,640
paving money that is available due to

866
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,839
the fact that we are submitting the CCMG

867
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:13,440
grant for Lakeshore Drive but we are not

868
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680
actually paving this year. So we did not

869
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,560
need to come up with the match that we

870
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
would have needed to which was

871
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640
originally on the capital plan if we

872
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,680
were paving this year. Uh we also have

873
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,240
money left in riverboat and

874
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,240
uh

875
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,079
also seed it has 50,000 in paving. So,

876
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,320
um, and I think we're getting towards

877
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,359
the end of any hospital bills related to

878
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:45,599
paving because they will be submitting

879
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,320
the grant. So, there will be additional

880
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,320
engineering costs for each phase of the

881
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,839
project

882
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:55,200
when we do pave. Um, and we will need to

883
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,440
just kind of keep an eye on the paving

884
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,720
in the next each year to see what we can

885
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,920
afford with the grant being a million

886
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,800
and then our match being $250,000

887
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
to make sure that we can afford to do

888
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,480
the entire amount of the grant.

889
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Hopefully, we can. Um but for this year,

890
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,000
if we do that project and if we do the

891
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,760
town signs, uh we are still positive by

892
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,880
$25,000. That's assuming we spend every

893
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,320
penny of our projects on the capital

894
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
plan, which you know that includes

895
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,800
$100,000 for community center. They

896
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,560
usually don't spend that full amount. Um

897
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,119
I we were out of internet for the last

898
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,440
hour of the day today. So I will send

899
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,440
this out to council just so you have the

900
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,599
updated version. Um but I am comfortable

901
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,000
with this project.

902
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,359
>> Okay. As I

903
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,280
>> Oh, so am I.

904
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,920
>> As I look at the um estimate received

905
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,200
from Indiana Asphalt, which is their

906
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,880
estimate number 426

907
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,000
um just for the mill and repaving of the

908
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,359
roadway. That's removing the existing

909
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,760
um pavement

910
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,160
um taking it down 4 in. applying 2.5

911
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,880
commercial binder with 1.5 of commercial

912
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
surface. their quote for that and again

913
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,839
this isn't they weren't able to put in

914
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,920
that large dry well they couldn't handle

915
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,000
the storm water working in that there

916
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,109
that particular quote was 57,750

917
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,839
and when you compare that to the same um

918
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:42,240
item of scope of work with wreath Riley

919
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,800
which is number one under roadway mill

920
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,720
and resurface

921
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,119
um their quote for that particular work

922
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,319
is 54,140

923
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,520
is the lump sum there. Um, so Ruth Riley

924
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,069
obviously came in um, you know, $3,610

925
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,640
cheaper just for the asphalt work there.

926
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,599
So, and again, as we address this

927
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:09,520
project, we've heard from the homeowners

928
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,480
the storm water concerns were a major

929
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,720
part of this um because that roadway

930
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,040
floods out in the lowest portion of the

931
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,880
road. um our plow drivers um this past

932
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,680
winter um had difficult time plowing

933
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,000
that particular roadway um because of

934
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,800
the condition um the large divots that

935
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520
were in there um there's large sections

936
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,119
of the asphalt that are completely

937
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,520
missing there and um that's why we were

938
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680
wanting to address this this year. A

939
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,520
matter of fact, um, one of the residents

940
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,000
that I spoke to on the very end of the

941
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,280
roadway, um, she tells me that this was

942
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,560
on the town's, um, scope of work on

943
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,040
their capital plan some years ago. She

944
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,599
said maybe 5 to seven years ago, and she

945
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,200
was disappointed that the town didn't

946
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,040
address it then, and she was excited to

947
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,200
hear that we're looking at addressing it

948
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,800
this year because she travels that

949
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,040
roadway often. So

950
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,440
>> I can add to I I just forgot that we

951
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,400
also have storm water funds

952
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,560
>> but towards that project as well.

953
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:10,880
>> Okay,

954
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,440
>> that's a

955
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,240
>> I just Oh, a quick just some a couple

956
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,560
quick comments. One, um I I'm not I

957
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,240
don't know how long this will take, but

958
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,880
just that there are a few things I mean

959
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,680
hopefully the residents will understand.

960
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160
one that, you know, it'll be closed off.

961
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,520
So, their trash and recycling may have

962
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,960
to be redirected. And they also talk

963
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,839
about tree trimming or tree removal. So,

964
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:39,599
if things are being widened or

965
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,160
something, they may have to help with

966
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,119
that. I'm I'm just mentioning that um

967
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,480
just because they may have to be

968
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480
>> very true and all good points. Um when

969
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,079
we met with both the contractors out

970
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,000
there, we are hopeful depending on

971
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,160
construction schedule that we would um

972
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,920
schedule the work after the Tuesday

973
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,640
recycling and start that work then so

974
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,480
it's completed by the following Monday.

975
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,079
But the concrete work that's going to be

976
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,520
done there, we will at least need to

977
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,839
keep it closed for probably a good week

978
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:14,000
to allow the concrete to cure before

979
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,599
vehicles can start driving over it,

980
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:20,000
especially the heavy trucks. So,

981
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,920
>> okay. I would make a motion to approve

982
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:29,430
the RET Riley uh proposal for $132,650.

983
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,960
» I'll second that.

984
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,710
>> Any more discussion?

985
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,400
All in favor say I.

986
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,040
>> I. Any opposed? Thank you.

987
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,079
AI generated information policy. Cindy,

988
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,319
I think you said that's going on your

989
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:48,640
next HR meeting. Okay.

990
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
>> Ongoing discussion.

991
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,440
>> Okay. Thank you.

992
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,119
>> Just add one item to that. Uh

993
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,040
once HR

994
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,960
reviews more like further the AI policy

995
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,520
that was proposed, we will also have K

996
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,400
plus our IT provider look at the policy

997
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,560
and give us their any suggestions they

998
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,240
have as well. Okay.

999
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,480
Thank you. Town signs, welcome signs,

1000
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,200
and masonry pillars. Pendra.

1001
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,160
>> Yes. Um, so tonight I'm asking for a

1002
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,200
motion to approve construction for the

1003
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,760
welcome pillars, we're calling them, at

1004
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,839
Chastelton. Um Cindy and I have been

1005
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:30,079
working with Mark on this and we came up

1006
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,079
with what I think will be a really

1007
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,599
beautiful

1008
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,760
um

1009
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,440
entry way there and we can put it on the

1010
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,599
website later if this is approved and

1011
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:42,880
going to move forward so people can look

1012
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,400
at it since we weren't able to load it

1013
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,599
tonight. But everyone here on the

1014
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,680
council I think saw the email that I

1015
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,359
sent the picture of how that should

1016
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:51,520
look. I mean it's not going to obviously

1017
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,599
be exactly the same. That's not

1018
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,839
Chastelton Road. It's in the picture,

1019
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:59,599
but it's the best I could do. Um, so

1020
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,839
Mark helped a lot with this and

1021
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:03,839
discovered after talking with Nipkco, if

1022
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:06,240
we did solar lights um on there, we'd

1023
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,560
save about $1,200 a year. So that was a

1024
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,240
really great recommendation. And we

1025
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,040
think we can match the lights on top of

1026
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,680
the pillars that the existing pillars

1027
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,160
have around Long Beach. So they'll still

1028
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,720
look the same, but they'll be solar. So,

1029
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,920
this um proposal would we would run

1030
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,359
conduit up through the um pillar so that

1031
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:28,960
if future use it would be ready for

1032
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,280
electrical if we needed to if if for

1033
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,119
whatever reason the solar lights didn't

1034
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,359
work or we just wanted to um change that

1035
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,119
up. So, right now the solar lights turn

1036
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,880
off about 3:00 a.m. So, they're not

1037
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,280
necessarily dusk to dawn, but they would

1038
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,119
turn off about 3. Um

1039
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,760
so, let's see. Um, I'm the motion I'm

1040
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,280
seeking to approve would be for a total

1041
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,800
of I'm asking for 35,000. The total cost

1042
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,880
of the pillars is 31,500, but I want to

1043
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,720
build in a little bit of a cushion there

1044
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,200
in case we need it. And also, one thing,

1045
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,319
not in the hard quote, cuz it would be a

1046
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:08,319
different company, the actual sign

1047
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:11,280
inside the brick pillar that says um

1048
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,079
like Long Beach or established 1921 or

1049
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,440
welcome to Long Beach, whatever we

1050
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,640
decide. that is a um different material

1051
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,079
that has to be put inside the pillar. So

1052
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,160
the masonry guy would not do that. So I

1053
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,839
think the 35,000 would still um provide

1054
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:29,920
enough cushion to just you know have

1055
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480
that all in there. So

1056
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,240
I guess first I'll entertain any

1057
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,119
questions.

1058
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,480
>> I got a question. Who's doing the

1059
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,200
construction?

1060
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,839
>> Bob Salot or Salot. He has to he's not

1061
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:41,200
registered right now but of course we

1062
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,040
get the permits and he be he would get

1063
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,319
registered but he's done a lot of work

1064
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:45,680
for the town over the years. He just

1065
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,680
happens to not for 2026 have his

1066
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,119
registration. But

1067
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,359
>> he's Tom's worked with him a lot. He's

1068
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,200
done almost all the pillars that we've

1069
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,280
ever had to reconstruct when especially

1070
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,920
when contractors back into them. We have

1071
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,880
to redo them. So, um, and I've I've

1072
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,160
worked with him before on some other

1073
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,079
stuff. He rebuilt 18 was the last pillar

1074
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,400
that I was involved in doing and he did

1075
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,640
that a great job on that. So,

1076
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,040
>> the pictures look great. I thought, um,

1077
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,359
Chris, is this something we have to get

1078
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,280
three

1079
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,280
If you have not, there should be

1080
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,280
>> have. Yes, we've probably tried to get

1081
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,520
like 20 quotes.

1082
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
>> Yeah. I mean, one quote was uh 60 grand.

1083
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,319
No, one quote was

1084
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,079
>> 120 grand. 60 grand each. So,

1085
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,280
>> I would just make sure you submit.

1086
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,920
>> Can you share

1087
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
>> along with this to make sure that has

1088
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,359
for the record

1089
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:39,839
>> even if you solicited to and didn't get

1090
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,760
back. Yeah. But the record just needs to

1091
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,319
show

1092
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:44,319
>> the companies that I talked to. or or

1093
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:45,760
that you've solicit. Yes, that you've

1094
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,559
reached out.

1095
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:50,549
>> Okay.

1096
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,400
I can do that later though, right? Okay.

1097
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,240
Because I have them somewhere

1098
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,079
because this has been going on for three

1099
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,559
years, I think.

1100
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:00,400
Um

1101
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,800
>> can I make the motion to approve the

1102
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,960
funding for the signs?

1103
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,040
>> Meg, do you want to weigh in on um

1104
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,640
>> Yeah. So, it's the same as with the

1105
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,800
Marsh Court that we do have funds. Um

1106
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,000
the park project is also on the capital

1107
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,040
plan and but that takes us into the

1108
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,760
negative. So the signs did as well but

1109
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,520
the cost of them has been cut in half

1110
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,440
for this year. I think if you guys do

1111
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,559
any additional work that would be

1112
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,440
carried into next year. So uh we can

1113
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,559
afford this this year. Um if council

1114
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,000
wants to proceed with it

1115
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,640
and I'll just add too I don't since it's

1116
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,480
what it's September right now. if we

1117
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,480
approve, he still has to do the permits,

1118
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,079
has to probably get approved in the

1119
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,599
October building commission meeting and

1120
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,680
then we're into November, December with

1121
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,599
the weather. So, this very well may not

1122
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,359
be able to start construction till

1123
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:52,640
spring. So, I don't know, Meg, if

1124
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,280
that'll throw things off, but um you

1125
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,280
know, like to get going as soon as

1126
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,960
possible, but it might roll over into

1127
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,000
the other year.

1128
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,520
>> Yeah. No, that should that should be

1129
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,480
okay.

1130
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,559
>> Okay. Okay. We've got a motion. Do we

1131
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,870
have a second?

1132
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,000
I'll second it.

1133
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,589
>> Any more discussion?

1134
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,200
Uh so the motion is to approve 35,000

1135
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520
for to move forward with the signed

1136
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,720
project.

1137
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,520
>> Um all in favor say I.

1138
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,359
>> I. Any opposed?

1139
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:26,880
>> Yes.

1140
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,440
>> Okay. Passes

1141
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,160
4 to one.

1142
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,520
uh road salt quotes for 2027 snow

1143
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,559
plowing season.

1144
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,319
>> All right, this um I'm going to give you

1145
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,559
a little bit of history going back to

1146
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,839
last year. Um last year we all know was

1147
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:48,319
a challenging year with the weather that

1148
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,880
we faced um here in northwest Indiana

1149
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,720
with the snow and the cold. Typically we

1150
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,160
purchase our annual supply of road salt

1151
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,160
on a annual basis we would go through

1152
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,839
700 to roughly a,000 ton of road salt.

1153
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:10,160
Historically the town of Long Beach has

1154
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,520
always purchased treated road salt. Um,

1155
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,599
the reason that we purchase treated road

1156
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,240
salt is [clears throat] that anything

1157
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:21,839
under 20° of temperature that begins to

1158
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:23,839
go into the negative, the treated road

1159
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:25,280
salt, [clears throat] excuse me, will

1160
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,839
work, I believe, all the way to about

1161
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,160
-20.

1162
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,920
This year we were notified by the

1163
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Indiana Department of Transportation

1164
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,760
that Leaport County was excluded from

1165
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,000
the state's uh quantity purchase

1166
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,480
agreement with the supplier Cargill Salt

1167
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,440
and that we were unable to get treated

1168
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,520
road salt through them and that we were

1169
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,559
on our own this year to find a vendor to

1170
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,880
supply treated road salt to our

1171
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,200
community. I have been working with the

1172
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,880
town of Trail Creek, the city of

1173
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,000
Michigan City, and we have all been

1174
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,599
struggling trying to get quotes. Um, we

1175
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,680
have secured some quotes, but it was

1176
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,839
difficult at best to get them. We

1177
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,119
reached out to six different vendors. We

1178
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,599
reached out to Mid-American Salt,

1179
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:19,359
Cargill, Indiana Salt Supply, Ninja

1180
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:24,319
Salt, Morton, and Midwest Salt. Um, the

1181
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:28,079
city of Michigan City has been a

1182
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:32,480
previous client of Midwest Salt and they

1183
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,240
were able to actually secure um treated

1184
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,440
road salt with Midwest Salt.

1185
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,800
I did speak to Midwest Salt today um

1186
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,440
because they were nonresponsive to our

1187
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,000
request for quotes. So, prior to

1188
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,599
tonight's meeting, I thought it was at

1189
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,079
least worth a phone call. Um, it was our

1190
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,319
last ditched effort to try and get

1191
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:56,720
treated road salt for our community

1192
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,960
because as of today, there is not a

1193
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,880
single salt supplier out there that will

1194
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,520
sell us treated road salt. They will

1195
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,160
only provide us with untreated road salt

1196
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,240
which will take us down to that 20°

1197
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,800
temperature. So when I spoke to Midwest

1198
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,680
Salt today, he could not give

1199
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,559
Superintendent Dolph and I a guarantee

1200
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,720
that they could sell us treated road

1201
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,440
salt, but he said that we could supply

1202
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,960
you with up to 700 ton of untreated road

1203
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,400
salt. And the price for that would be

1204
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,960
$15,468

1205
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,319
a ton. To put that in perspective, last

1206
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:37,839
year we were getting treated road salt

1207
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:42,400
at roughly $90 a ton.

1208
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,359
He did tell me today that if I am able

1209
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:48,000
to treat the salt for you, add an

1210
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,400
additional $15 to that, that would take

1211
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,150
us to $16,968

1212
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,599
for treated road salt for this year. Um,

1213
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:01,280
we need to order approximately 700 ton.

1214
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,400
So Tom Dolph and I began to strategize

1215
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,480
how can we address this concern for the

1216
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,119
town this year. We are currently sitting

1217
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:16,480
on approximately 250 to about 300 ton of

1218
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,640
treated road salt that's left over from

1219
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,119
last year. Um we have it at the street

1220
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,359
department facility. It's under tarp and

1221
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:26,240
some of it is in our aging salt barn as

1222
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,200
well. Tom and I have discussed that he

1223
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,599
is going to move the treated road salt

1224
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,839
that he has in the salt barn over to

1225
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:35,839
where we have the other treated road

1226
00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:37,920
salt tarped and we're going to treat

1227
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,240
that like it's gold.

1228
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,000
We're going to let it sit there and

1229
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,920
we're only going to touch it unless the

1230
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,240
temperatures we see in the forecast are

1231
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,400
going to be severely cold and we're

1232
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,280
going to try and utilize as a latch last

1233
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,920
um ditch effort for the town.

1234
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,079
So getting back to how do we get the

1235
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:57,760
additional road salt that we need to

1236
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,400
meet about our thousand ton that we use

1237
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,079
annually because we're sitting on about

1238
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,599
300. We need to order about another 700.

1239
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,040
So we did get only um two other

1240
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,480
companies that were responsive. One was

1241
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,400
Ninja Salt. Ninja will sell us untreated

1242
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,760
road salt at $130.82

1243
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,520
a ton. And then the other is Morton Salt

1244
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,760
Supply. Um they actually were the most

1245
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,319
responsive. Um they were replying to our

1246
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,960
emails consistently and actually we have

1247
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,119
a contract um here tonight at our

1248
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,200
meeting that they provided. They were

1249
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,240
able to provide us untreated road salt

1250
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,470
for $125.35.

1251
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,720
The other issue um Superintendent and

1252
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,839
Dolph and I met this morning is if the

1253
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:50,480
town were not to move forward this

1254
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,200
evening and executing and awarding a

1255
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,040
contract um which we recommend that we

1256
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,880
um recommend to the council tonight that

1257
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,559
we move forward with a contract with

1258
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,079
Morton Salt for 700 ton of salt at

1259
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,349
$125.35.

1260
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:10,160
As part of that contract,

1261
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,200
we are required to begin accepting salt

1262
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,799
as early as October

1263
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:23,119
at our request. However, all 700 ton

1264
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:27,599
must be purchased by March 31st of 2027.

1265
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,359
Superintendent Dolph and I discussed

1266
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:31,920
that we don't have any concerns with

1267
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,920
taking the 700 ton because we'll more

1268
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,599
than likely go through that and maybe

1269
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,359
even more depending on the weather that

1270
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:40,480
we have coming. Um, I will caution the

1271
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,240
council and share with you that if we

1272
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,720
don't execute a contract with a salt

1273
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,440
vendor, we may be stuck in a position

1274
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,160
that no one will supply us salt or they

1275
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,599
will at a cost of probably greater than

1276
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:56,640
$200 a ton. Um, so it is the

1277
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,920
recommendation after meeting with

1278
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Superintendent Dolph today that we

1279
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,240
recommend to the council this evening

1280
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,280
that we move forward with the Morton

1281
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,480
contract, $12,5.35

1282
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,240
per ton for 700 ton. And that allows us

1283
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,400
um the security and peace of mind of

1284
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,079
knowing that we can at least get the

1285
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,640
treated road salt for our winter snow

1286
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,960
plowing needs. Now, if we go through

1287
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,280
that 700 ton and the 300 ton that's

1288
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,760
under TARP, um we'll just have to

1289
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,480
solicit um quotes from the vendors that

1290
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,240
are out there, come back to the council

1291
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,280
with proposals. Um I'm hopeful that El

1292
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760
Nino hits this year and that we don't

1293
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,200
need the thousand ton. Um but again, as

1294
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,000
you know, our current salt barn only

1295
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,160
holds a little bit over 200 ton

1296
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,839
undercover. the new salt barn will hold

1297
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:51,359
um in excess of 400 ton um which is

1298
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:54,000
good. So, so whatever is left over this

1299
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,839
year once that new barn goes up, we'll

1300
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,359
at least be able to have it under cover

1301
00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:59,280
for next year. And then we're hoping

1302
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,760
that the state QPA comes back around in

1303
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,440
2027. Um again, we're not the only um

1304
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,599
city or town that was excluded. It was

1305
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,079
all of Leaport County and there were a

1306
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:11,839
couple other counties throughout Indiana

1307
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:14,160
as well that were excluded this year. Um

1308
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,640
when I asked INDOT for an explanation,

1309
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720
they couldn't give me an explanation.

1310
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,480
They just said that they thought it was

1311
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,119
because of the um supply and demand.

1312
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,520
There is not much. Um I will tell you

1313
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,119
Midwest Salt shared with me today.

1314
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,520
They've ordered two additional barges.

1315
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,200
They know what the cost of that is

1316
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,359
coming in. The quote they gave us today

1317
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:35,440
was based on those prices of the new

1318
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,799
barges that are in route to um Illinois.

1319
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:40,880
Um, so again, it's just it's been a

1320
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,119
total struggle getting these quotes for

1321
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,839
Road Salt. Um, so I recommend tonight

1322
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:47,200
that we at least move forward with

1323
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,880
Morton. One of these other companies

1324
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,480
that are still out there that hasn't

1325
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,200
responded, they could respond next week

1326
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,200
and maybe a few dollars less or a few

1327
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,680
dollars more. Um, I don't want to risk,

1328
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,599
you know, us putting ourselves in a

1329
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,280
position that we don't have any salt for

1330
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,119
the season. So, I know it's a long u

1331
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,520
explanation, but that just kind of

1332
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,280
paraphrases all the conversations I've

1333
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,160
had in recent months. Um, honestly, this

1334
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,520
goes back to about May or June when we

1335
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,359
started researching salt quotes.

1336
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:22,789
>> Thank you.

1337
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:25,920
» Any questions?

1338
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,760
Mark, did you say that the this is

1339
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,400
untreated and then to treat it

1340
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,599
ourselves?

1341
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,839
>> To treat it ourselves, which we're

1342
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:36,799
hoping not to do. Tom estimates it could

1343
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:38,640
cost us

1344
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,200
50 to 60 cents a ton because we would

1345
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,440
have to buy the brine and then obviously

1346
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,319
we've got, you know, time inhouse that

1347
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:49,680
we would have to um do to treat all of

1348
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,599
this. Tom hopes that we don't have to do

1349
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:55,200
that. Um but he is preparing to research

1350
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,839
the cost of the brine. Um he has done

1351
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:00,640
this before for the town. Um he says the

1352
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,200
town's been in similar situations before

1353
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,119
where we've had to purchase the brine

1354
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,079
and um mix it ourselves here. Um similar

1355
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,760
to like what Midwest said earlier.

1356
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,839
Midwest said they would charge us, you

1357
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:14,720
know, $15 a ton for them to do it on a

1358
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,440
large scale. Um just to put this in

1359
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,720
perspective, we're ordering 700 ton. The

1360
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,559
city of Michigan City is looking at

1361
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,960
3,500 tons. So that's why they're able

1362
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,319
to get what they're getting a much

1363
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:28,000
larger quantity and they're a previous

1364
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,319
client of, you know, this vendor as

1365
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,079
well. Trail Creek, they're in the same

1366
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:34,400
position as us. Um they're struggling to

1367
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:39,760
find quotes as well. Um so yeah,

1368
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,640
I'm sorry. So you

1369
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,160
>> Okay, I would make a motion to

1370
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,079
>> Yeah. So, the recommendation would be to

1371
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,480
move forward with approving the contract

1372
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,359
with Morton Salt and then authorizing

1373
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:54,480
the town council president Schmidt to um

1374
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,480
execute the contract with Morton Salt,

1375
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,720
which actually the deadline for us to

1376
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,599
resubmit is tomorrow afternoon. I have

1377
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,280
to have this back. They would only give

1378
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,960
us 7 days on the quote as well. That's

1379
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,559
how fast they're selling the salt right

1380
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:11,119
now. So, this quote is only good until

1381
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:13,440
close of business tomorrow. and I

1382
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,520
received it last week.

1383
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,400
>> Okay. I would make a motion to uh move

1384
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,880
forward with a Morton salt.

1385
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,520
>> I'll second that.

1386
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,760
>> Any more discussion?

1387
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,680
All in favor say I.

1388
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,640
>> I. Any opposed?

1389
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,480
>> Thank you. Uh storm water fee increase.

1390
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,839
I think we were waiting for a

1391
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:42,150
recommendation from budget and finance.

1392
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,319
» Yes. and we we worked on the budget and

1393
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:50,640
really did not talk about this, but uh

1394
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,400
Tristan and I and Mark have all talked

1395
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,720
about it and

1396
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,079
the amount of phone calls and uh the

1397
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,760
need for storm water projects is very

1398
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,400
evident. So Mark, I don't know if you

1399
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,160
want to touch on all the specific areas

1400
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,520
that need work and also

1401
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,920
just all of our paving projects. So

1402
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,240
Lakeshore Drive, each phase is going to

1403
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,119
have storm water work to the tune of

1404
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:27,040
thousands of dollars. So um I think the need as anything nothing is costing

1405
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,680
less as we do projects. So, um, did you

1406
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:32,880
want to add anything?

1407
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,680
>> Sure. Um, just starting with phase one

1408
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,000
of Lakeshore Drive, phase one has

1409
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,119
approximately $300,000

1410
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,920
just in storm water work. In phase one,

1411
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,720
phases two and three are estimated to at

1412
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,240
least be um near that or slightly under

1413
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,160
the $300,000.

1414
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,079
We have um aging dry wells um that need

1415
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:58,880
to be addressed across the town. Um, one

1416
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,520
in particular is at Indianapolis and

1417
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,920
Hidden Hills Trail. Um, we have one

1418
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,000
there that we actually need to go in and

1419
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,559
probably add probably a 2,000galon dry

1420
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,720
well beside the current one that is

1421
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,920
there. Um, so there is storm water work

1422
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,160
throughout the town. I've spoken with

1423
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,720
our street superintendent, Tom Dolph.

1424
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,119
Um, there is much more storm water work.

1425
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,000
He would like to um take on projects

1426
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,559
each year. However, we are limited with

1427
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:28,160
the amount of funding that comes in

1428
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,480
currently at the $15 a month per

1429
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,520
household. Um, we're looking at, and

1430
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,240
Megan and I had discussed um looking at

1431
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,880
the possibility of raising it to $20.

1432
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,200
So, it' be $5 more a month for a total

1433
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,039
cost of $60 per home um per year to do

1434
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,599
some of this additional work. and then

1435
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,680
um we can prepare for you some um

1436
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,440
additional material to assist you in

1437
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,039
knowing some of the projects that are

1438
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,480
coming up in the next 5 years um to help

1439
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,240
better understand the need for the

1440
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,039
increase. So, so we can work on that and

1441
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,280
get that to you.

1442
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,799
>> Okay. So, that doesn't need a motion

1443
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:10,240
tonight.

1444
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,000
>> No, I just think that it's good that we

1445
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,079
have it on the agenda for discussion. um

1446
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,280
come back with some additional

1447
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,039
information on future capital

1448
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,079
improvement projects and then um at some

1449
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,200
point um ask attorney Willoughby to, you

1450
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,559
know, work with the council on a

1451
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:28,000
updating of the fee structure.

1452
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:28,160
Do

1453
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,720
>> you know how much additional funds a $5

1454
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,599
increase would give us?

1455
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:35,440
>> Meg, have you looked at those numbers

1456
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,359
based off of um what we're bringing in

1457
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:39,760
currently on the household number?

1458
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,559
>> If I do,

1459
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,400
>> I know we had it. I just don't have it

1460
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,829
with me.

1461
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:50,230
It's

1462
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,839
» and one of the things is every year on

1463
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:55,680
the CCMG paving projects um we have

1464
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,359
storm water work that's done with every

1465
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:00,240
single paving project. Um and that also

1466
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,319
helps pay for this part of the you know

1467
01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:06,160
CCMG match as well. So

1468
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:06,640
>> it

1469
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,039
>> okay

1470
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:11,039
>> I roughly it would be 70 around 60 to

1471
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:14,640
70,000 a year based on

1472
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:19,200
I believe our billing I think it's 1237

1473
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,599
but it could be like our trash is a,083

1474
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,680
I think so that is

1475
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:33,200
60 almost 65,000 so roughly that 65,000

1476
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,119
a additional.

1477
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:35,599
>> Correct.

1478
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:38,559
>> So, so by raising it to $5 a month per

1479
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,599
household would bring in the 65,000

1480
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,839
additional. To put that in perspective,

1481
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:46,000
the Marsh Court project that we just

1482
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,359
approved um this evening just for that

1483
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:52,799
one single 1825galon

1484
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:55,760
drywall structure there. Um that work

1485
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,079
again came to

1486
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,230
35,550.

1487
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,440
So half of what Meg has just shared with

1488
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,559
us would get us this one dry well. And

1489
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,799
there are numerous dry wells throughout

1490
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,960
the community that we've been trying to

1491
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,119
improve. Um this year I will say in my

1492
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:19,280
six years I have been overwhelmed with

1493
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,200
storm water calls because we've had a

1494
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,599
heavy amount of rain this year and we've

1495
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,880
identified areas that need work. Um we

1496
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,880
have a few homes that are taking on

1497
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,039
water in their garages just because of

1498
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,599
the dry wells are und sized and then

1499
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:35,280
it's flowing over into you know the

1500
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,680
residents um driveways and that those

1501
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,079
obviously are priorities. Others we're

1502
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:41,359
getting, you know, I have a puddle at

1503
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,160
the end of my driveway. Tom and the

1504
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,480
engineers are telling me that if that

1505
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,680
puddle, you know, is gone 24 hours after

1506
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,599
a heavy rain, that's really not a

1507
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:54,079
concern, an immediate concern. I try to

1508
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:55,680
explain that to some of the residents,

1509
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,599
but you know, a lot of times that isn't

1510
01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:58,720
what they want to hear. They want to

1511
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,160
hear, "I want that puddle gone at the

1512
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,440
end of my driveway." But more

1513
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,880
importantly, we've got to address the

1514
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,280
serious concerns first. Not saying that

1515
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,599
theirs is not serious, but there are

1516
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:10,319
priorities. And obviously, as you can

1517
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:12,400
see, it's quite expensive for storm

1518
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,160
water work because a lot of this we

1519
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,319
can't do in-house. It takes heavy

1520
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:19,440
machinery. um these 1,800-gallon

1521
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,440
drywalls, we don't have the equipment to

1522
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,760
lift them and place them into the

1523
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,440
ground. And then there's, you know,

1524
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,200
significant trenching that needs to

1525
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,200
occur and we have to bring in outside

1526
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,920
contractors to do this type of work. So,

1527
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,480
>> and just what you're saying about um

1528
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,440
residents, I know that you've met with

1529
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,319
uh Commissioner Wall and Tom Dolph um

1530
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,799
about a neighbor of mine on Florond and

1531
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:47,599
she's been looking at the problem for a

1532
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,079
minimum of two years and she's ready to

1533
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,000
move forward with what she can do to

1534
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,240
mitigate it, but she'll be looking to

1535
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,760
the town for help with her her issues

1536
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,880
and like I said, she's put out and is

1537
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,720
going to put out a significant amount of

1538
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,400
money. But then you talk about what the

1539
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,799
town will have to do to help. So,

1540
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:11,119
>> as I have been learning more about the

1541
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,160
town's storm water infrastructure, I'm

1542
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,480
seeing the history of the town. Um, our

1543
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:19,679
newer paving projects, the large round

1544
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:24,239
cylinder dry wells, typically from 500

1545
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,440
to 2500 gallon are placed under the

1546
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:29,520
surface of the roadway. And that's where

1547
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,279
we capture a lot of our storm water. And

1548
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,520
that what I'm seeing is the history of

1549
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,719
the town is many of our drywall systems

1550
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:39,600
are from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. They're

1551
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,960
bricks. And those bricks were laid into

1552
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,799
the ground in a small 4tx 4 ft area with

1553
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:50,400
a catch basin on top. And then once that

1554
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,719
storm water gets into that catch basin,

1555
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:54,719
there's nowhere really for that water to

1556
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:57,440
go. where in a dry well system that kind

1557
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,400
of cylinder timble is just surrounded

1558
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,359
with two feet of of rock and then that

1559
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,279
allows the water to disseminate out of

1560
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,920
there where these old brick systems that

1561
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,600
are very aging in the town. Those are

1562
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,040
the ones we need to tear out of the

1563
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,120
ground, need to get the new dry wells

1564
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,120
into. So those are the ones that we have

1565
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,880
to address moving forward in that cuz

1566
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,279
we're finding many of the old ones just

1567
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,040
cannot keep up with the amount of of

1568
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,880
rainfall that we get and they're

1569
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,799
collapsing, falling apart. the bricks

1570
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:27,679
are aging. So,

1571
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:30,000
>> okay, let's leave this on the agenda for

1572
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,199
uh October meeting

1573
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,719
um for more discussion and if you guys

1574
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:38,480
want to discuss it again at budget and

1575
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:39,440
finance.

1576
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:42,400
>> Yes, I will add it to our agenda.

1577
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,880
>> Okay, moving on to new business. Uh

1578
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,920
combining the park lots. [sighs]

1579
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,920
>> Uh Joy, we did a

1580
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:50,400
>> interest

1581
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,239
>> conflict of interest statements.

1582
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:55,120
>> What? conflict of interest statements.

1583
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,199
>> Oh, here you could pass the that to

1584
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:58,159
Joey.

1585
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:02,229
>> Your yours changed.

1586
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,800
» Okay. Thanks.

1587
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,360
>> Okay. Conflict of interest statements,

1588
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,560
Chris.

1589
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,760
>> Um, thank you. So,

1590
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,440
hopefully I don't get emotional because

1591
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:15,520
this one is a little bit of a sensitive

1592
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,440
issue or I'm out of line, but it won't

1593
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:19,600
be the first. Uh, recently it was

1594
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,320
brought to my attention. I'd like to say

1595
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,960
from as a result of those who had good

1596
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,440
intentions, but it appears keyboard

1597
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,440
warriors or people who had bad

1598
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:34,320
intentions filed a complaint alleging,

1599
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,679
for lack of a better description,

1600
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:39,440
misconduct on the part of council member

1601
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:44,159
Lane, um the or clerk treasurer, and the

1602
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,560
building commissioner, all alleging that

1603
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,320
they have conflicts of interest, haven't

1604
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,560
complied with the law that came to light

1605
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,719
um because of mailing by whoever

1606
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:58,640
submitted it confidential confidentially

1607
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,040
had a mistaken address to which they

1608
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,960
addressed the package to and it got

1609
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,040
returned to the town hall because that

1610
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,080
same person or persons put a return

1611
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,920
address of the town hall as if it was

1612
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,159
sent from here and it was sent to

1613
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,199
various state agencies or county

1614
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:18,719
prosecutor seeking investigations etc.

1615
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:21,120
Since then, I've taken the time to do

1616
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,840
some due diligence, have assured those

1617
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,199
who have inquired that there no

1618
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:32,480
intentional acts here. Um, but

1619
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,159
one thing that came to light which I was

1620
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:37,120
unaware of is we all know Larry Wall,

1621
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,880
he's the building commissioner and has

1622
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,600
been. We all know that his daughter is a

1623
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,440
council member. We all know his niece is

1624
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:46,000
the elected clerk treasurer.

1625
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,679
What wasn't aware or on every the front

1626
01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:52,320
of everybody's mind is at the end of

1627
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,120
2024, approximately December 23rd at the

1628
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,159
council's year-end meeting, there was a

1629
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,800
renewal and a contract entered into with

1630
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,040
Larry Wall for two years and then two

1631
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,480
subsequent automatic renewals. That was

1632
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,920
after Colleen Lane was elected but

1633
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,000
before she took office. That is all

1634
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,800
legal.

1635
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,719
Mag Collins is a niece, but she doesn't

1636
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:19,679
approve any payments, etc. So, Colleen

1637
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:22,480
Lane did not participate in granting

1638
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,800
that contract, nor does she have any

1639
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,480
say. However, I also learned or was

1640
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:32,239
reminded that Colleen Lane works for

1641
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:33,920
Elwall

1642
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,040
Constructors LLC. Why that is important

1643
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,360
is

1644
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,880
when the contract was entered into,

1645
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,600
Larry hired as the building commissioner

1646
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,239
wanted and and the the council agreed to

1647
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:51,040
have his company LW wall constructors

1648
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,640
LLC

1649
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,920
as the recipient of the payment. And so

1650
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,880
that's been a couple years ago. And when

1651
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,679
Colleen took office, nobody thinking of

1652
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:04,239
that because Larry is the building

1653
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,320
commissioner, thinking of him as the

1654
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,880
individual. Can't speak for him, but

1655
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,239
ultimately I can assume that was for

1656
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,480
liability purposes and that's why he put

1657
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,719
the company there as the contracting

1658
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:17,520
party. So technically there is an

1659
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,159
argument and my opinion is that Colleen

1660
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,040
Lane each year should despite the fact

1661
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,199
that it's being known file a conflict of

1662
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,199
interest statement to make it known.

1663
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:31,040
She's the office manager there. And so

1664
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,800
the point of that is to make sure

1665
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,120
there's no air of impropriy. She hasn't

1666
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,120
hidden where she's worked. Everybody

1667
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,120
knows where she works. Everybody knows

1668
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,159
where her father works, what he does.

1669
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,480
However, there's just a certain group of

1670
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,360
people who don't like the walls. It it's

1671
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,080
um it baffles me and it's insane because

1672
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,800
those who want to allege and make

1673
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,440
allegations against Larry just needed a

1674
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:00,560
witness 2018 2019 when all those homes

1675
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,960
could have been washed into the lake and

1676
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,800
he spent time while he's waiting or post

1677
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,440
um you know working to keep living with

1678
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:12,800
the transplant and his family made bones

1679
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,840
on seaw walls and he didn't take any of

1680
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,800
those contracts. And yet he's out there

1681
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,560
for some of the same people who might be

1682
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,360
responsible for this complaint, helping

1683
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,199
them save their houses and advising them

1684
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,280
for free as his duty as the building

1685
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,360
commissioner. All of that said, and I'll

1686
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,320
get off my soap box on that,

1687
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,000
what's before you tonight is to write

1688
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,760
the ship. The 2025 we can't speak to.

1689
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,199
These are supposed to be filed at the

1690
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:40,640
beginning of the year, but we're going

1691
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,199
to file a retroactive

1692
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:45,520
um or what's before you as approval and

1693
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,159
acceptance. So, you have conflict of

1694
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,920
interest statement for 2025 for Colleen

1695
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,640
as council member acknowledging that she

1696
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,560
works for LW wall constructors and that

1697
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,440
she's the office manager. It has the

1698
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:03,520
amount the contract her Larry or the

1699
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,719
building commissioner gets paid $50 an

1700
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:08,640
hour and the total amount paid for last

1701
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,280
year is on the 2025 statement and year

1702
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,640
to date is on the 2026 statement. I do

1703
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,719
not believe that Larry Wall necessarily

1704
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:18,880
has to, but my advice has always been on

1705
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,120
these. When in doubt, file one. It

1706
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,440
doesn't hurt anything. Everybody's aware

1707
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:26,560
of these. So you have the same thing for

1708
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,040
Larry Wall acknowledging that he is the

1709
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,239
owner of Elw Wall Constructors LLC

1710
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,640
that he is the building commissioner and

1711
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,960
surprise surprise the council person

1712
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,199
known as Colleen Lane is his daughter

1713
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:42,159
and office manager. So that I believe

1714
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,040
brings us into compliance. And again,

1715
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:49,440
it's unfortunate. I um while it slipped

1716
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,800
by me where she where Colleen worked for

1717
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,400
them or where she was employed and how

1718
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,120
that contract was in 2024,

1719
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,920
I ultimately pride myself on being a

1720
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,000
protector not against those who want to

1721
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,159
break the law or have intentional acts,

1722
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,400
but to make sure that I properly advise

1723
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,760
you and help you make informed

1724
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,159
decisions. So, for the public that wants

1725
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:12,640
to beat up the walls, blame me. And with

1726
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,400
that, you know, I I'm willing and and we

1727
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,159
can I don't want to discuss it tonight

1728
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,760
to to resign as the town attorney. And

1729
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,679
not making this about me in terms of

1730
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:26,000
what it is, but if there's a failure,

1731
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,719
it's on my part. Not on Colleen's part,

1732
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:31,920
not on Meg's part, not on Larry's part.

1733
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,600
So, first, I would ask that you consider

1734
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,760
approval of those conflict of interest

1735
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,400
statements that are before you. And if

1736
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,560
you all you're doing is voting to accept

1737
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,640
them. And then between Meg and I, we

1738
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,800
will get those filed with the county

1739
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,480
clerks and that will take care of it.

1740
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,120
And then every year after that, anybody

1741
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,199
who has the same or sit similar

1742
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,199
situation, it is in the handbook. It is

1743
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:58,159
a policy. It is state law.

1744
01:16:58,159 --> 01:16:59,840
And I do think those who had bad

1745
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,480
intentions and rather than be human,

1746
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,400
rather than care about your town and try

1747
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,480
to improve it or maybe casually mention

1748
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:09,440
it to anybody, you rather be a keyboard

1749
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,159
warrior. So here we are fixing those and

1750
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:14,480
again blame me for that. So that's the

1751
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:16,480
first part. Then I'll I'll go to the

1752
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:17,520
next item.

1753
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,360
>> Okay. I would make a motion to accept

1754
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,920
the conflict of interest statements from

1755
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,000
Colleen Lane and Larry Wall.

1756
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,520
>> I'll second.

1757
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,080
>> Any discussion? I just want to say

1758
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,040
thanks for Chris for the uh explanation

1759
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,679
and transparency and then thanks for

1760
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:36,080
explaining.

1761
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,040
>> I'd also like to say um that council

1762
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,800
members as well could have uh picked up

1763
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,040
on something like this. So, I I

1764
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,560
appreciate that you say you're the town

1765
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,719
attorney, but it is something that I

1766
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,800
think all of us have probably

1767
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,600
experienced filing conflict of interest

1768
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,040
forms throughout our careers.

1769
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,320
And um I would also take responsibility

1770
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:08,159
for not picking up on that as well.

1771
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:11,120
>> Any more discussion?

1772
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,520
>> Do I need to recuse myself from this?

1773
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,199
You should. That would be appropriate.

1774
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:17,920
>> Accuse myself from this vote. [laughter]

1775
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,000
>> Okay. With the exception of Colleen. All

1776
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,679
in favor say I.

1777
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:23,360
>> I. Any opposed?

1778
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,080
>> And Meg, you have the signature copies.

1779
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,159
>> Great. Thank you.

1780
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:30,640
>> All right. So, the next line it'll see

1781
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,960
asinine, but to clear the record, you

1782
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,800
paid um let's see here for transparency,

1783
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,120
which is important.

1784
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,840
In 2025, the total amount paid to LW

1785
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:51,030
wall instructors.

1786
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,239
Well, I don't have that.

1787
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,120
96,000. Do you have that Meg in front of

1788
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,280
you? There are two.

1789
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,000
>> It's on there.

1790
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,280
>> It is, but I have the same copy.

1791
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,560
It's Oh, good game.

1792
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,480
No, it's not on that one.

1793
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:14,709
Sorry.

1794
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:16,960
Nope.

1795
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,400
I'll read it. Let me pull it up here

1796
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:25,669
because I have the exact numbers.

1797
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:28,320
» Yeah, that's sort of. All right. So in

1798
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,239
95 or sorry 2025

1799
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,600
you paid LW wall constructors the total

1800
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,229
sum of $96,952

1801
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,679
and then in 2026 year to date of

1802
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:48,310
$69,133.33

1803
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,560
based on

1804
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,159
what I will say is my oversight.

1805
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:57,440
Colleen should not have participated in

1806
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,400
any of those any votes that would have

1807
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,040
resulted in payment because of the

1808
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,640
nature of the way things are done and

1809
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,320
you don't have everything itemized and

1810
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,880
that's not making an excuse.

1811
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,480
It is clear why those would

1812
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,440
slip by or not be noticed in approvals

1813
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,040
because they're in the form of a check

1814
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,360
register and you're not seeing all the

1815
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,920
invoices or addressing them

1816
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,760
individually.

1817
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,239
The reason I've asked this agenda item

1818
01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:28,880
to be on there is so that you can take a

1819
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,880
vote, if you're inclined, to void out

1820
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,600
your pre the council's previous approval

1821
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,880
of all payments in 2025

1822
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,520
and 2026 year to date. The reason why

1823
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,440
those years or dates are important is

1824
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,400
because that's so far the am the tenure

1825
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,239
of Colleen Lane as a council member. So

1826
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:53,840
to write the ship, to be transparent, to

1827
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,640
make sure that the record accurately

1828
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,080
reflects what has happened, what should

1829
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,679
happen, and what will happen going

1830
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:04,719
forward is to make sure that she recuses

1831
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:06,239
herself

1832
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:08,320
and to then you can consider those

1833
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,400
without her input. And again, she's the

1834
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,120
office manager of LW wall constructors

1835
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,520
LLC. All things that have been known,

1836
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,280
but we want to make sure. And again, the

1837
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,199
public isn't wrong to make those points.

1838
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,679
But maybe sometimes it's not what you

1839
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:25,360
say, it's how you say it. So the the

1840
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,159
intention of doing these is to and we've

1841
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:30,159
consulted with the town's financial

1842
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,000
consultants, otherwise looked into this.

1843
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,520
And again, we thought this was the best

1844
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,120
route to correct the record. So, I would

1845
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,960
ask that you consider taking a vote to

1846
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,400
revoke the council's approval for all

1847
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,040
payments to Elwall Constructors LLC for

1848
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,560
the calendar year 2025 and year to date

1849
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,239
2026.

1850
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,800
>> I'll [snorts] make that motion.

1851
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,120
>> Pardon? One except for those that were

1852
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,960
approved earlier today where Colleen

1853
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,560
recused herself.

1854
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,159
>> I'll second that motion.

1855
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,239
>> Yep. And then Colleen,

1856
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:08,320
>> I'll recuse myself. Yes. [laughter]

1857
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,480
>> Any discussion?

1858
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,639
All in favor say I.

1859
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:14,560
>> I. Any opposed?

1860
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,360
>> All right. So now your options are this

1861
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,880
is to are to consider those without

1862
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,159
Colleen's input and ratify and approve

1863
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:25,840
all payments made to LW wall

1864
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,560
constructors for 2025 and yeartoyear

1865
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,600
date 2026.

1866
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:32,080
Oh,

1867
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,560
>> to ask well I want to give you full

1868
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,440
disclosure options. You can feel that

1869
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,360
there was malfeence here and something

1870
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,159
done wrong and decide that you want to

1871
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:46,159
seek repayment or reimbursement from LW

1872
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:48,000
wall constructors

1873
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,320
or take no action. So I want to make

1874
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,560
sure you have all of those out there so

1875
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,520
that again that transparency and you get

1876
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,520
to decide how you want to move forward

1877
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,280
from there.

1878
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,120
I would make a motion to reconsider all

1879
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,120
the payments for to L wall constructors

1880
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:11,280
in 2025 and 2026

1881
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,679
>> having Colleen recuse herself

1882
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:15,840
>> then so approval of those.

1883
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,159
>> Yes.

1884
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:19,920
>> All right. I'll recuse myself from the

1885
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:20,320
vote.

1886
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,560
>> Yes.

1887
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,880
>> Any more discussion?

1888
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,639
All in favor say I.

1889
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,040
>> I. Any opposed?

1890
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,800
>> All right. Thank you for indulging me on

1891
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,960
that long- winded

1892
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,400
>> Chris. Um,

1893
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,719
>> thank you for the resolution

1894
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:38,480
of it.

1895
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,960
>> Uh, moving on a new business we have

1896
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,719
combining the park lots. Um,

1897
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:48,080
across the street there's four four

1898
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,840
different lots and in an effort to uh we

1899
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,040
are changing the zoning for parks.

1900
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,239
actually that's in the works at the APC.

1901
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:02,159
Um, but I would like uh to make a motion

1902
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:05,199
that we ask Chris to move forward with

1903
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,520
combining the four lots into one across

1904
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,520
the street for uh

1905
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,600
their new park plan project. And and

1906
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,880
before you do that, authorizing the town

1907
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,120
president to to work with me because it

1908
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,560
it's going to actually be a pretty

1909
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,800
simple process, but it'll take the two

1910
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,360
of us just notify and communicating that

1911
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:28,880
with the real estate office and then

1912
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,400
they can get that done pretty easily.

1913
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,800
So, just need your authorization for

1914
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,920
both of us to take those actions.

1915
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,960
>> I'll make that motion to um move forward

1916
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,960
to let Joyce Schmidt work with Chris to

1917
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,000
combine the four lots in the park.

1918
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,600
I'll second it.

1919
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,000
>> Any discussion?

1920
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,000
All in favor say I.

1921
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,639
>> I. Any opposed?

1922
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:59,990
>> Here's the four lobsters.

1923
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,400
» Okay. Uh

1924
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,280
now we're going to open a public hearing

1925
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,800
for ordinance number 2026-05,

1926
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:14,470
the 2027 budget on the first reading.

1927
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:17,199
Uh

1928
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,520
so is there anyone who wants to speak

1929
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,719
for or against the 2027 budget in the

1930
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:29,110
audience?

1931
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,280
Is there anyone on Zoom who wants to

1932
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:37,199
speak for or against the 2027 budget

1933
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:41,990
proposed budget?

1934
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,960
Hearing none, I will close the public

1935
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,149
hearing

1936
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:51,440
and I will make a motion that we approve

1937
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:54,560
on first reading the proposed 2027

1938
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,560
budget

1939
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:03,414
as noticed to the taxpayers.

1940
01:26:03,424 --> 01:26:05,280
[clears throat] Do we have a second?

1941
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,239
>> I'll second it. Second it.

1942
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:11,440
>> Any any discussion?

1943
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,199
All in favor say I.

1944
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:16,719
>> I. Any opposed?

1945
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:19,440
Uh, INDOT, update from the August 24th

1946
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:21,520
meeting with the deputy commissioner

1947
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,199
about US12 congestion and 2027 paving

1948
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:31,350
project lane reduction.

1949
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,199
» You want to take the top on that?

1950
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:37,360
>> Sure. Um the town of Michigan Shores,

1951
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,400
their town president, um Diana Dumbre,

1952
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,400
actually initiated reaching out to the

1953
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,040
Indiana Department of Transportation

1954
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,600
and they wanted to address some of the

1955
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,080
concerns with US 12 congestion. Um she

1956
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,480
actually then brought together a meeting

1957
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,639
with the deputy commissioner Matt

1958
01:26:56,639 --> 01:27:00,800
Dichley. um Adam Parkhouse from INDOT

1959
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,639
who is their community uh kind of

1960
01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:07,280
leazison outreach person along with

1961
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,600
state representative Randall Novak and

1962
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,639
state senator Michael Bahache met with

1963
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:14,880
members from the town of Michigan

1964
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,520
Shores, the Dunland Beach Association,

1965
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,239
and the town of Long Beach. Um on August

1966
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:24,159
24th, um INDOT informed us that next

1967
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:27,440
month, October of 2026, they will be

1968
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:32,719
letting out for bids a US 12 um repaving

1969
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:36,000
resurfacing project. This project will

1970
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,080
start near Blue Chip Casino. Will then

1971
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,880
head east to the Indiana Michigan line.

1972
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,880
US12 will be converted from a four-lane

1973
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,760
highway to a threelane highway. It will

1974
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,840
be one lane eastbound, one lane

1975
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,239
westbound with a dedicated center turn

1976
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:58,400
lane throughout that entire stretch that

1977
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,560
I just described. Um, new pavement

1978
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,679
markings will be in place. Uh, Senator

1979
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:08,320
Bahachic um brought forward a

1980
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,800
recommendation near Notre Dame School at

1981
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,960
Moore Road in US12 that INDOT engineers

1982
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,480
consider placing um school zone signing

1983
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:21,600
in that area which would um lower the

1984
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,000
speed limit in that area both in the

1985
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,000
morning and when school is letting out

1986
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,040
in the afternoon. Um they weren't too

1987
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,040
promising on that because they said that

1988
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,600
the school property did not touch the

1989
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,360
actual highway, but they would take the

1990
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,920
information back to their engineers. Um

1991
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,920
the 212 um US12 um interchange, that

1992
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,239
intersection was discussed. At this

1993
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,800
time, there are no plans um immediately

1994
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,600
for that interchange there um other than

1995
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,480
some um striping work um pavement

1996
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,880
markings that will occur in the spring.

1997
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,199
Um we did ask if they were considering

1998
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:59,920
any type of roundabout or you know

1999
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,080
intersection there. Um they said there

2000
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,960
is nothing in the works for the next 5

2001
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,840
years on US12 other than the project

2002
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,000
that will start probably in April of

2003
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,880
next year and hopefully conclude in the

2004
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,120
fall of 2027.

2005
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,639
U the speed limit along US12 um that

2006
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:20,639
conversation came up. There will be no

2007
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:22,239
change in the speed limit. it will

2008
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:27,120
remain as is. And um we asked if this

2009
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,920
project was uh you know full speed

2010
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,480
ahead. Are there any changes in the

2011
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:34,239
works? And they said nope, it's been

2012
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,960
approved. It's in INDOT's uh capital

2013
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,120
plan and that it'll be letting out again

2014
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,639
in October for um bids and then starting

2015
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:46,320
construction in the spring of 2027. So,

2016
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,239
um, from the police department

2017
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:49,920
standpoint, I'm interested to see how

2018
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,080
the intersection of Carwick and US 12 is

2019
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,280
on July 3rd, um, when this actually goes

2020
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,280
down to three lanes. Um, they did do a

2021
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,360
traffic study, they told us, and they

2022
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,840
said that the traffic study came back,

2023
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,320
um, with the car count of a normal

2024
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,800
volume to support the three lane

2025
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,679
recommendation. Um, they did state that

2026
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:12,880
we do have a heavier traffic count on

2027
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,440
specific months. Um that would more

2028
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:17,520
align probably with the current

2029
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,280
configuration out there that being a

2030
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,000
four. Um but the engineers are moving

2031
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,440
forward with the three lane

2032
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:26,000
configuration. We will be putting

2033
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,080
information out in our upcoming town

2034
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,960
newsletter in the spring newsletters and

2035
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,880
we intend on putting this information on

2036
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,760
the town's website as well to begin

2037
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,679
sharing this information with all of our

2038
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:40,320
residents. Um, but I'm waiting for INDOT

2039
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,719
to give us the specific language that

2040
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:44,400
they're going to use on their social

2041
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,199
media pages so that we use their

2042
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:49,199
specific language when we put it out to

2043
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:52,639
the public. So, if I missed anything,

2044
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:56,239
both uh council representatives um Anita

2045
01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:58,560
and Joy were at the meeting as well. and

2046
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,360
clerk treasurer measins.

2047
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,159
I think um just a couple things. They

2048
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,239
really talked

2049
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:08,880
repeatedly about the different studies

2050
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,719
that were done which were important and

2051
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,360
the safety or the calm lane in the

2052
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,639
middle and the traffic studies again.

2053
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:22,080
and they answered repeatedly questions

2054
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:26,719
about the intersection of 12 and 212

2055
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:30,400
that while it may seem confusing to

2056
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,679
people, they really don't have any need

2057
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:36,000
to put hundreds of thousands of dollars

2058
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,639
into it because they just don't have

2059
01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:41,920
accidents, which to them means that

2060
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,880
people at least pay attention there,

2061
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,120
which I know, you know, I mean, I do,

2062
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,560
but that they just don't have anything

2063
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,520
to say, okay, you might not like it, but

2064
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,840
people are I that was kind of the gist

2065
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,440
of it, right? That people are paying

2066
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:00,400
attention there and it's working. So,

2067
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,800
they just don't they can't justify with

2068
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,760
the studies that they did on that

2069
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,159
intersection doing anything different

2070
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:10,239
with it.

2071
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,400
So, hopefully it'll help with the

2072
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,080
traffic.

2073
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,239
>> Yeah, I agree. But they did make it

2074
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:17,920
pretty clear that their decisions had

2075
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,199
been made and uh we didn't really have

2076
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:23,280
any input. It was more of anformational

2077
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,080
meeting.

2078
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,960
Okay. Uh police department flock license

2079
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,990
plate reader policy update.

2080
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,120
back um in 2025,

2081
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,199
we

2082
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,159
signed on with Flock Public Safety for

2083
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:44,000
four license plate reader cameras for

2084
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,040
our community. Um that contract for four

2085
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,480
cameras is $3,000 per camera for a total

2086
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:53,920
of $12,000 annually. When we initially

2087
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,600
um started the installation of our

2088
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,920
cameras, they went live January of 2026.

2089
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,639
um from the prior to the time they went

2090
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:05,760
live back on December 8th of 2025, the

2091
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,600
Long Beach Police Department has had a

2092
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,560
policy regulating um the use of our

2093
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,120
automated license plate reader system,

2094
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,719
which is abbreviated by ALPR.

2095
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:18,960
Um August

2096
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,480
13th, just a couple weeks ago, Flock

2097
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,679
Public Safety came out with some new

2098
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:28,639
changes um with their software, with the

2099
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:33,360
administration of how the um data is

2100
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,280
saved, how it's researched, some

2101
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,000
privacy, some accountability. So, as I

2102
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:42,080
began to read up on this and also paying

2103
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,120
close attention to a lot of the national

2104
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,960
publicity relative to um flock LPR

2105
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,199
systems, I wanted to make sure that our

2106
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:53,760
policy meets um the changes that are

2107
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,480
forthcoming. So, in the policy that you

2108
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:59,600
have before you tonight, the council has

2109
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,440
um the changes that are recommended by

2110
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:07,520
um Flock Public Safety. one is um an

2111
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,320
evidence um mode. Um that particular

2112
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,719
feature would allow would allow one of

2113
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,159
our deputies to go in and request that

2114
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:19,840
the um data um from a particular search

2115
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,320
be saved for a longer period of time.

2116
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,400
However, the deputy would have to

2117
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,719
account for that request through the

2118
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:29,440
documentation of a case investigation.

2119
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:32,239
having a case report number, all the

2120
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,080
other information relative to an

2121
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,040
investigation must um back up that

2122
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,600
request to save data for longer than the

2123
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,800
30 days that we have in our policy.

2124
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,679
Um in addition to that um there's a new

2125
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:48,400
accountability, there's an audit assist

2126
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,040
um feature with the system. Um, this

2127
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,800
audit assist will alert the

2128
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,880
administrators of this software when,

2129
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,080
for instance, if we have a deputy that

2130
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:06,000
works from 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. in the

2131
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,320
morning and we're finding that a deputy

2132
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,719
is getting on the license plate reader

2133
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:13,360
system at 10:00 a.m. in the morning when

2134
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,760
he's not on duty that would flag it to

2135
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,159
the administrators and would then allow

2136
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:21,120
us to do an audit into the searches of

2137
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,120
any particular officer. I find this to

2138
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,520
be a very beneficial feature because

2139
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,080
it's a way of policing the system so

2140
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,080
that if we know a typical deputy because

2141
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,600
all of our deputies are on assigned

2142
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,880
shifts. Um, so if they're on a 6 pm to

2143
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,960
6:00 a.m. and we have a deputy searching

2144
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,480
things at 10:00 a.m. in the morning and

2145
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:40,239
he's not working an overtime assignment

2146
01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:41,920
or filling in for the day shift deputy,

2147
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,679
it alerts us. And so um, that new audit

2148
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:48,800
assistance um, is a very good tool. It

2149
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,840
also will alert us if an officer is

2150
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,960
running a particular plate um, for more

2151
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,679
than a certain number of occasions. Um,

2152
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:00,159
it also has a proactive lockout. it will

2153
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,080
lock the officer out and we'll notify

2154
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,600
the administration that uh this audit

2155
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,080
assist has locked an officer out and

2156
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,159
then we can begin to immediately look

2157
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:13,120
into the searches in the system to make

2158
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,239
sure that they are legitimate use of the

2159
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:19,520
technology. Um this also requires case

2160
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,520
codes for any search. um if an officer

2161
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,560
responds to a burglary investigation

2162
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,360
um or let's just say even an alarm call.

2163
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,840
The deputy pulls up at the alarm and

2164
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,239
let's say a red Chevy vehicle four-door

2165
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:36,719
sedan pulls away from the residence as

2166
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:39,040
he's arriving at the alarm call and he

2167
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,760
finds something suspicious at the alarm.

2168
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,000
that deputy would then want to get into

2169
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,719
the flock system and would want to put

2170
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:48,400
the information for that vehicle that

2171
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,560
sped away and begin a search for that

2172
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,960
vehicle. This now requires um before the

2173
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,639
old standards where you could just go in

2174
01:36:56,639 --> 01:36:58,159
there and start searching for any red

2175
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,639
vehicle. With the new audit assist and

2176
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:02,719
the new accountability system, the

2177
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:06,080
deputy must enter a case number relative

2178
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,239
to the search. So, for auditing

2179
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:10,639
purposes, when we go back to look at a

2180
01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:13,920
deputy's searches, it should have either

2181
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,239
an incident report number, which would

2182
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,040
be a criminal case investigation number,

2183
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,000
or what we call a CAD number. A CAD

2184
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,560
number is our computer aided dispatch

2185
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,679
number. Every call that we go on has a

2186
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:31,280
CAD number. It starts out with 2026.

2187
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,320
The next two numbers would be for um the

2188
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,199
month of September would be 09 and then

2189
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:39,119
the corresponding number of whatever

2190
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:41,840
call it is for that month. Um so this

2191
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,719
requires that the officers require case

2192
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:50,080
codes. Um there is also

2193
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,360
with that um in the policy you have

2194
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,080
tonight the very last section that I

2195
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,360
have added is a accountability and

2196
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,119
discipline section. Um the previous

2197
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:05,760
policy that was passed by the council

2198
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,440
last year did not have um subsection 9

2199
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:11,199
in there which is accountability and

2200
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,840
discipline and I will read that in its

2201
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:18,080
entirety. Abuse or misuse of the flock

2202
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,520
technology at any level is unacceptable.

2203
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,360
Any employee found to have used the ALPR

2204
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,840
technology for purposes outside the

2205
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,840
scope of their law enforcement duties

2206
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,320
shall face disciplinary action up to and

2207
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,040
including termination. Additionally,

2208
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:37,040
employees may be subject to criminal

2209
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,520
prosecution if found to have violated

2210
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,960
state or federal law as applicable. Um,

2211
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,119
so I wanted to make sure that with the

2212
01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:47,920
new accountability that we had um,

2213
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,080
language in there that also educates our

2214
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,000
officers and alerts them to the fact of

2215
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,480
the penalties of misuse of this type of

2216
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,920
technology. Um, as I indicated earlier

2217
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,679
today that, you know, the most recent

2218
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:01,440
investigation was very helpful with our

2219
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:04,560
LPR system and I could, you know, speak

2220
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,320
of a handful of other cases tonight

2221
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:07,760
where it's been helpful in the past

2222
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,480
year. Um but overall the highlighted

2223
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:12,080
sections that you have on the policy

2224
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,880
before you tonight um those are the

2225
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,679
amended changes to this policy and I am

2226
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:21,520
recommending um to the council that we

2227
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:25,119
accept the amended policy with the date

2228
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,960
of September 14, 2026 as the revised

2229
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:33,040
date for the policy um update and then I

2230
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,719
would welcome any questions that anybody

2231
01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:37,360
may have as well.

2232
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:40,719
The only um the only comment I had was

2233
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:42,880
um something that I know I brought up in

2234
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,520
the beginning which was holding on to

2235
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:50,159
the um data and um and ours of course

2236
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:53,440
calls for 30 days and I just wanted to

2237
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:56,880
mention the um AWS is another

2238
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,280
abbreviation that's used which is Amazon

2239
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:04,320
Web Services and Amazon Web Services

2240
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,119
automates the permanent deletion of

2241
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:10,080
footage and plate data, which defaults

2242
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,960
to a rolling 30-day window or shorter

2243
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,159
depending on local agency settings. So I

2244
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:20,960
think it's important that that um

2245
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:25,760
residents people understand that it AWS

2246
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:30,719
does delete the data as requested after

2247
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:34,480
30 days as part of their policy

2248
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:37,520
>> but we're only retaining it for 7 days.

2249
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,440
>> Well that's being updated. So, there was

2250
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:41,360
an original discussion about 7 days

2251
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,920
because that was Flock's proposal, but

2252
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,800
Indiana retention laws require 30 days

2253
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,280
um with regard to this subject matter

2254
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,520
and it could be longer as Chief Yes.

2255
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,400
summarized in the policy that you know

2256
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,159
investigations and other reasons under

2257
01:40:58,159 --> 01:40:59,840
the law which there's some catchall

2258
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,440
language in there that might dictate

2259
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:04,560
longer for again valid reasons but

2260
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,880
otherwise our policies by virtue of the

2261
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,199
state of Indiana dictate that it's 30

2262
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:09,840
days

2263
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,199
>> right and as does AW I mean I'm just

2264
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:17,280
saying I had those anyhow I'm I just

2265
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,320
wanted to reiterate that 30 days it's

2266
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,800
permanently deleted

2267
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:23,520
And

2268
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:24,239
>> thank you.

2269
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:26,800
>> Just a couple otherformational things

2270
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,960
outside of tonight's discussion on the

2271
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,719
policy. I think just to share with

2272
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:34,320
everybody is that um

2273
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,639
next year you'll probably see July 1st

2274
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:39,119
of 2027 a new Indiana state law

2275
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:41,119
regulating the use of this technology

2276
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,239
and I fully support that. Um I know that

2277
01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:46,320
um Senator Mike Bohachek has already

2278
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,960
reached out to me and Senator Bohachek

2279
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,280
along with a few other legislators are

2280
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,960
working on proposing um legislation for

2281
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,080
2027 regulating the use of this um

2282
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,320
police technology. I strongly support

2283
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,320
that because I believe that the men and

2284
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,639
women who use this technology need to

2285
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:07,600
have some guidance on um how this

2286
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,520
technology should be used and they also

2287
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,960
should be made aware of the penalties

2288
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,040
for the misuse of the technology as

2289
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:14,960
well. Um so you'll probably see

2290
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,920
something forthcoming um next year. And

2291
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,719
then this Friday, September 18th at

2292
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:23,920
11:00 a.m. in St. John's, Indiana, um

2293
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,320
Flock Public Safety is going to have

2294
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,520
representatives at the St. I'm sorry,

2295
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,560
the St. John's Community Center on

2296
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,760
Friday and they are meeting with um the

2297
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,239
majority of the Northwest Indiana chiefs

2298
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:41,199
um to share some of the changes that

2299
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:43,360
have come forward at Flock and then also

2300
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,000
making themselves available for the law

2301
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,480
enforcement administrations to ask

2302
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:51,199
questions of them this Friday. and um I

2303
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:53,920
plan on attending that um because I have

2304
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,320
been reading over and trying to stay um

2305
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,560
up to date on a lot of this information

2306
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,440
that's coming out. So, just wanted to

2307
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:04,719
share that asformational for you.

2308
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:07,040
>> Thank you. Uh okay. I'll make a motion

2309
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:12,080
to approve the flock LPR policy update.

2310
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,080
>> I would second.

2311
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,800
>> Any more discussion?

2312
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,719
All in favor say I.

2313
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:23,040
>> I. Any opposed? Thank you.

2314
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,800
Request to purchase equipment police

2315
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,199
department two taser 7s which will

2316
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:31,440
replace two tasers.

2317
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:35,280
The police department um currently has

2318
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:40,880
the Axon Enterprise Taser 7 and Taser

2319
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:45,119
X2. Um, both of these devices, um, the

2320
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:48,159
newer version is the Taser 7, the older

2321
01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:52,480
version is the Taser X2. These are our

2322
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:55,600
less thanlethal options that are

2323
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:59,119
available to our deputies um, to utilize

2324
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:02,080
in the field um, rather than having to

2325
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,719
resort to the use of their handguns. Um,

2326
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:06,400
this is a very important piece of

2327
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,040
equipment to our deputies. Um, this less

2328
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,080
lethal option, also known as an ECW,

2329
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,880
which is an electronic control weapon,

2330
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,639
allows our deputies to deescalate a

2331
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:20,159
situation

2332
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:22,639
um into

2333
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:24,960
um an area where less or I'm sorry,

2334
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,040
where less I'm sorry, where lethal force

2335
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,000
would not have to be used. The proposal

2336
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,360
that is before us tonight is to upgrade

2337
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:38,400
two of our current X2s. Um, which the

2338
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,880
goal through our annual equipment

2339
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,159
purchases is to phase out the X2s. Um,

2340
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,080
the current X2s that we have, they are

2341
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,400
all out of warranty and we want to

2342
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,520
replace them with the X7s. The goal is

2343
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,040
to eventually have only the X7 in our

2344
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,920
equipment inventory. Um, the reason this

2345
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,920
is before the council tonight is that

2346
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:03,440
the expenditure um exceeds that of a

2347
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,560
$5,000 expenditure. So, we want to make

2348
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,239
sure that we have it before the console

2349
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:11,440
for review and approval. For two of

2350
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:16,480
these X7s, the total purchase price

2351
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:21,910
is $6,55122.

2352
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:27,679
That is for the two ECW Taser 7s, the

2353
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:31,119
holsters, the cartridges, the batteries,

2354
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:36,560
and also includes um $69960ents

2355
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,080
of software. Um the software is required

2356
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,199
for these um because they are

2357
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:47,040
downloadable devices. Um, so when it is

2358
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:50,080
deployed in the field, the officers then

2359
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,560
take the batteries from the device, put

2360
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,239
it into the charging station. The

2361
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:56,159
charging station is then hooked to our

2362
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:58,639
software system and it gives us a report

2363
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:00,960
of how long the device was used, when it

2364
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,040
was deployed, all of that data. also

2365
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,320
these devices for information that when

2366
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:13,679
the Taser 7, if a deputy is to um draw

2367
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:16,560
the weapon from the holster and activate

2368
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,679
the power switch on the Taser 7 by

2369
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:23,199
activating the power switch on the taser

2370
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:25,520
automatically turns on the officer's

2371
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,760
body camera. Um that feature is also

2372
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,880
there. And then um we also have that

2373
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,320
same feature in our holsters that if our

2374
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:37,840
deputies were to draw their sidearm that

2375
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,800
it also activates the bodywn camera

2376
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,119
system as well. So if the officers walk

2377
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:46,159
into a a you know hostile situation,

2378
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:47,760
they don't have time to activate it

2379
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,159
manually by drawing their taser or their

2380
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:52,560
weapon, it automatically activates the

2381
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,280
bodywn camera. So these are very

2382
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,239
sophisticated um pieces of technology.

2383
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:01,600
Um they are very expensive as well. Um

2384
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,080
but they do come with a 5-year warranty.

2385
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,159
So both of the devices would be

2386
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,960
warrantied for 60 months. And so we are

2387
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:10,560
respectfully asking that the council

2388
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,709
approve the $6,55122.

2389
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:16,560
This would be coming out of the police

2390
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,960
department's 2026

2391
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,360
um equipment line item within our

2392
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,600
operating budget. And I have confirmed

2393
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,280
with the clerk that we do have

2394
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:29,430
sufficient funds to make the purchase.

2395
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:31,920
Thank you. Uh I would make a motion to

2396
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,199
approve the upgrade uh of the two tasers

2397
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:39,440
for 65 $6,55122

2398
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,600
from Axon Enterprise.

2399
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,520
>> I'll second it.

2400
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,320
>> Any more discussion?

2401
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,000
All in favor say I.

2402
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:48,639
>> I.

2403
01:47:48,639 --> 01:47:52,149
>> Any opposed?

2404
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:55,280
Uh, moving on to directional boring

2405
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,360
proposal to authorize the creation of an

2406
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,360
ordinance regulating directional boring

2407
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,040
in the town rideways. It's my

2408
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:03,679
understanding that someone

2409
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:06,719
bored through one of our storm drains

2410
01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:08,960
for our dry wells.

2411
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:10,560
>> That is correct. That has happened

2412
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,880
previously. And the concern moving

2413
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,760
forward is phase one of the Lakeshore

2414
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,760
Drive roadway improvement project. Um

2415
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,239
the majority of the new storm water

2416
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,239
infrastructure for that project is going

2417
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:25,760
to be underneath the center of the

2418
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:30,000
roadway. Um the infiltration gallery,

2419
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,760
what they describe is 7 ft wide and

2420
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:38,080
approximately, I believe, 24 in tall.

2421
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,560
in that system will be where our new

2422
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,639
storm water will then be disseminated

2423
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:44,480
underneath the roadway and will no

2424
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:47,679
longer fall out to the lake in the areas

2425
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:49,440
where we'll be putting this new storm

2426
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:53,760
water um infrastructure in. The concern

2427
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,400
both from the engineering team at HOS

2428
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,920
Engineering and our public safety, our

2429
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:03,760
public uh works team is that currently

2430
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,320
directional boring for the cable

2431
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,560
companies, the fiber companies, the

2432
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,719
utility companies.

2433
01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:13,760
They will call in for 811, but they

2434
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,040
don't notify the town of where, when,

2435
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,119
and at what address that they're doing

2436
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:21,360
the directional boring.

2437
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,440
We want to encourage the council to

2438
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:29,760
draft a ordinance similar to other towns

2439
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,480
and cities, similar to our street cut

2440
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:35,520
permit where we would have a process

2441
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,080
that they would have to apply for a

2442
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,880
directional boring permit. We would then

2443
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,840
have that connected to the IWorks system

2444
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,840
similar that we do with the street cut

2445
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,280
permits currently with the building

2446
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,280
department. And then we would have

2447
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,920
historical um data to go back and look

2448
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,040
at and making sure that when we have a

2449
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,000
directional boring request, we can then

2450
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,800
share with them the blueprints, for

2451
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,800
instance, of our new Lakeshore Drive

2452
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,040
roadway improvement plan, we can share

2453
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,199
the blueprints and show them that if

2454
01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:10,320
you're going to put in a new fiber drop

2455
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:14,560
at 2400 Lakeshore Drive, you have to

2456
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,080
bore down to 4T to get underneath. let's

2457
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,280
say our town infrastructure so it's not

2458
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,800
damaged. The concern is if we just allow

2459
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,040
this to continue the way it is with no

2460
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,600
oversight on it. Any directional boring

2461
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,239
company once they call 811 and they drop

2462
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:35,280
a new fiber line to or a Comcast cable

2463
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,280
line to a home, they could directional

2464
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,840
bore at 24 in and go straight through

2465
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:41,440
our new infrastructure. We may not

2466
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:44,239
notice it right away. 6 months, a year,

2467
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:47,600
three years later, our roadway begins to

2468
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,199
um heave. Um it begins to maybe collapse

2469
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:53,520
all because of our, you know, storm

2470
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:55,199
water system was compromised and

2471
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,679
somebody had bored through it. Tom Dolph

2472
01:50:57,679 --> 01:50:59,920
has shared with us um I think it's off

2473
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,880
of LMA portal um where we have one of

2474
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,520
our dry wells that literally has a three

2475
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,760
or 4 inch gas line board right through

2476
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,080
the middle of our dry well. And the only

2477
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:12,000
way we found this out was because Tom

2478
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,239
was out with the vac truck cleaning out

2479
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:16,400
the dry well and he sent me a picture

2480
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:19,199
and I see a yellow PVC gas line that's

2481
01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:22,159
right through our corner of our dry well

2482
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:24,080
and the boring company put it right

2483
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,920
through our drywall. Um, so

2484
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,520
I was told by our town team that a lot

2485
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:34,239
of these boring companies when they do

2486
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:37,599
have incidents of errors in that, a lot

2487
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:39,920
of these LLC's, they close up overnight

2488
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:41,040
and then the next thing you know you

2489
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:42,719
have a new boring company a few months

2490
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:44,560
later and they're back out boring again

2491
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,880
and there's no oversight on them. So

2492
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,119
they're recommending to the town that we

2493
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,119
come up with an ordinance and direct the

2494
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:52,639
town attorney through the council's

2495
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:54,560
direction to have an ordinance to

2496
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,199
protect us. So

2497
01:51:57,199 --> 01:51:58,880
>> yeah and some of I mean already

2498
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,400
shouldn't they when they register have

2499
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,480
bonds in place as well right? So that

2500
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:05,920
might be just need to make sure

2501
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,239
that that's adequate and that those are

2502
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:10,320
posted too. So,

2503
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,880
>> do they know when I mean is there I

2504
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,800
don't I don't know maybe Colleen knows

2505
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,920
the answer, but if you're boring and you

2506
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:19,840
hit something like that, do you know

2507
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:21,760
that you've hit something and you just

2508
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,040
keep going?

2509
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,239
>> So, I had asked

2510
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:25,920
>> I don't know. I had asked that very

2511
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,080
question and they said that a lot of

2512
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,679
times um you probably would know but a

2513
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:33,760
lot of the boring companies aren't this

2514
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,679
is what our team shared probably aren't

2515
01:52:35,679 --> 01:52:37,920
going to be forthcoming to say that they

2516
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,599
might have went through something and

2517
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:41,199
they just complete the boring and then

2518
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,440
they move to the next project. Um, at

2519
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:45,840
least now if we have an ordinance in

2520
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:50,080
place, we have a um like a GIS map where

2521
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:54,480
we can overlay our water lines, our

2522
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:57,440
catch basins, our dry wells, our storm

2523
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,520
water lines. I spoke to both

2524
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,520
Superintendent Dolph and Superintendent

2525
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,159
Ashcraft and both of them have informed

2526
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:06,400
us that they have overlays for the town

2527
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,880
so that if we get a boring request, they

2528
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:10,560
can provide the overlay to the

2529
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,480
contractor to say this is what you need

2530
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:14,239
to bore around. This is what you have to

2531
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:16,080
be careful of. This is the town

2532
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,800
infrastructure that's there. Um, right

2533
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:20,639
now we we don't find out this

2534
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,800
information and you know, maybe we need

2535
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,599
to charge a fee similar to the $200 that

2536
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:28,480
we charge for the street cut permit. Um,

2537
01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:30,400
you know, maybe there's a fee we have to

2538
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:31,920
charge with this as well, cuz there will

2539
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,840
be time that the building department

2540
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:35,920
will need to spend inputting this into

2541
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,880
eyeworks. Um, our team from both water

2542
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,800
and street will need to take the time to

2543
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,040
provide documents and information to the

2544
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:47,520
companies. They will need to go out and actually follow up on the boring

2545
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,400
request um in the individual areas as

2546
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,639
well. So, um, these are all things I

2547
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:54,480
think we need answers to as we develop

2548
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,360
our ordinance. And then um the goal is

2549
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,159
first quarter of 2027. We would like to

2550
01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:03,119
have this in place um starting for you

2551
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:05,520
know next year. So

2552
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,320
>> do boring companies right now have to be

2553
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:10,000
registered?

2554
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,400
I was going to add Chris, I believe any

2555
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,840
util my mic's not on. Just to add, I

2556
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,440
believe any uh utilities,

2557
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:23,440
NIPCO or Comcast all just give the town

2558
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:26,000
a blanket bond each year. It's not even

2559
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,000
each year. I just had NIPCO update

2560
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,639
theirs because it was it was old, the

2561
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:33,280
one that we had on file. So, if NIPCO is

2562
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:36,800
hiring somebody else to do their boring,

2563
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,520
I don't know how that works.

2564
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,159
Well, we'll have to check that out and

2565
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:44,000
see what their bond I mean it's still

2566
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,480
under their umbrella.

2567
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,040
>> Trust me, from my private life, I had

2568
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,960
plenty of contractors who have even made

2569
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,520
mistakes and NIPCO is very harsh on

2570
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:59,520
those. Um, and and the law supports and rightfully so, right, things the

2571
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:01,280
chaos that could be created. So, yeah,

2572
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:02,880
I'll work with you to look, but I would

2573
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,599
say NIPCO's if they sub that work out,

2574
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:08,639
it's still their responsibility.

2575
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:11,520
and and this recommendation was our last

2576
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:13,760
um project update meeting for the

2577
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,400
Lakeshore Drive paving project. The

2578
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,400
engineering team at HOS recommended to

2579
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,800
us that the town needs to you know

2580
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,440
protect our infrastructure. Um you know

2581
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,599
next year we'll be if we get the grant

2582
01:55:25,599 --> 01:55:28,480
for the CCMG, we'll be putting $300,000

2583
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,000
of storm water infrastructure into

2584
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,080
Lakeshore Drive and the goal is to

2585
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,960
protect that $300,000 investment from

2586
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:37,520
damage occurring in that. So that's the

2587
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,760
whole overall goal of this ordinance is

2588
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,400
to protect the town's investment into

2589
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:44,320
our overall infrastructure throughout

2590
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:46,080
the town.

2591
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:47,679
>> So Chris, could you put something

2592
01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:49,760
together that we

2593
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:50,800
>> work on it?

2594
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,760
>> Okay. Uh to include like they'll need a

2595
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:57,510
permit.

2596
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,159
Okay. Uh moving on to wildlife deer

2597
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:01,679
management. Before I turn this over to

2598
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:04,239
you, Kendra, I just want to mention that

2599
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:06,239
hunting is not a permitted use in our

2600
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:08,960
zoning code.

2601
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:10,880
>> What's that? I I didn't hear you. What's

2602
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:11,440
not permitted?

2603
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,920
>> Hunting is not a permitted use in our

2604
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:14,800
zoning code.

2605
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:15,360
>> Mhm.

2606
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:17,679
>> But it it is permitted if you're in a

2607
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:20,639
deer reduction [clears throat] um for

2608
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:23,119
the ordinance that was passed in 2021 or

2609
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,920
whatever that was. Um, if you're doing

2610
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:27,920
we have a deer reduction ordinance on

2611
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:30,080
file and if that if we choose to

2612
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:33,199
implement that that is bow and arrow.

2613
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:35,840
>> Okay. So,

2614
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,920
um, so I was just going to say I'm not

2615
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:40,320
looking to get into a debate. We all

2616
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,719
have a difference of opinion and I for

2617
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:45,360
one do not feel um just because people

2618
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,040
have difference of opinions they're not

2619
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:48,960
allowed to live in this town. we all

2620
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,199
need to find a way to get along and I

2621
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:54,159
for one um feel like the best thing to

2622
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:56,639
do for the town is to implement a deer

2623
01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:59,520
reduction program. Um [clears throat] so

2624
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,199
I'll I'll read my statement and then

2625
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:04,239
it's a pretty simple um you know yes or

2626
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,320
no. I'm not looking to have a big debate

2627
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:08,159
or fight or anything like that. It's

2628
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:10,000
just something I feel strongly about as

2629
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:11,760
we all do and I respect everyone's

2630
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,040
opinion. Um not all people do obviously.

2631
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,440
So, the deer population in Long Beach

2632
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,760
has reached a point where there where

2633
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:21,679
this is no longer simply a matter of

2634
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:23,360
protecting a few flowers or garden

2635
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:24,960
plants. Residents are taking

2636
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:26,880
increasingly significant measures to

2637
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,719
protect their property, including

2638
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:31,199
installing fencing as high as 8 to 10 ft

2639
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:33,679
around entire properties. Trees are

2640
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:34,880
being browsed to heights of

2641
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:36,960
approximately 6 ft and landscaping,

2642
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,960
vegetation, and other property are being

2643
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,199
repeatedly damaged. I have personally

2644
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:42,960
experienced this problem on my own

2645
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,960
property with approximately 6 to eight

2646
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:48,159
deer regularly in my yard. Deer have

2647
01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:49,840
torn through netting and fencing and

2648
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,840
cause thousands of dollars in damage to

2649
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,159
trees, grass, bushes, landscaping, and

2650
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:56,400
landscape lighting. This is not a

2651
01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:58,159
problem that can reasonably be addressed

2652
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:00,239
through sprays or other plant deterrence

2653
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:02,400
alone. The frequency and extent of the

2654
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,239
damage demonstrate that we have a deer

2655
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:06,400
population management issue and we are

2656
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,440
in a deer reduction zone. Long Beach has

2657
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:11,199
already established a legal framework

2658
01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:13,679
for addressing this issue. In 2021, the

2659
01:58:13,679 --> 01:58:16,080
town council allowed hunting within the

2660
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,920
town and to recognize lawfully

2661
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,679
authorized deer reduction hunting

2662
01:58:19,679 --> 01:58:22,000
programs. The town's previous deer

2663
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:24,000
reduction proposal contemplated a

2664
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,840
controlled program using qualified

2665
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,480
archers, including traditional bows,

2666
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:32,159
compound bows, crossbows, no firearms. I

2667
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:34,000
am therefore asking the town council to

2668
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:35,679
take the next step and determine whether

2669
01:58:35,679 --> 01:58:37,280
we are willing to move forward with a

2670
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,159
controlled deer reduction program for

2671
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:42,400
the upcoming deer season under the

2672
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:44,080
authority already provided by our

2673
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,800
existing ordinances. This proposal is

2674
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:48,800
different. This proposal is specifically

2675
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,440
limitated limited to participating

2676
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:53,679
private properties. No hunting would

2677
01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:55,840
take place on town owned property. This

2678
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:57,520
is not a proposal for the town to

2679
01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:59,840
conduct hunting on public land or to use

2680
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:01,920
public property for a hunting program

2681
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,167
like others that have been proposed. It

2682
01:59:04,167 --> 01:59:05,679
[snorts] would provide private property

2683
01:59:05,679 --> 01:59:07,679
owners who voluntarily choose to

2684
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:09,520
participate with a means of addressing

2685
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,520
their deer population on their own

2686
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,320
property protecting their own property.

2687
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:16,400
Of course, subject to appropriate town

2688
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:19,119
safety requirements and oversight. The

2689
01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:21,280
program would also be privately funded.

2690
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:23,119
Homeowners who voluntarily choose to

2691
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:24,960
participate would be responsible for the

2692
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,280
costs associated with the program. No

2693
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,199
town tax dollars would be required to

2694
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:31,199
fund the hunt and residents who do not

2695
01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:32,960
participate would not be required to pay

2696
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,760
for it. At this stage, I'm not asking

2697
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:37,760
the council to approve every operational

2698
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:40,000
detail of the program. If the council

2699
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:41,520
agrees that we should move forward,

2700
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:43,360
these details can then be developed in

2701
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:44,639
coordination with the town

2702
01:59:44,639 --> 01:59:47,280
administrator, attorney, clerk, DNR, and

2703
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:50,159
other appropriate stakeholders. That pro

2704
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:52,320
process would establish the necessary

2705
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:53,840
safety requirements, hunter

2706
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,080
qualifications, homeowner participation

2707
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:58,239
procedures, notification requirements,

2708
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:00,159
oversight, and other safeguards before

2709
02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:03,760
end any reduction takes place. The

2710
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:05,760
question is straightforward. Does the

2711
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:07,599
town council support moving forward with

2712
02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:10,080
developing developing and implementing a

2713
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:12,400
privately funded properly regulated deer

2714
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:15,360
reduction program parti program program

2715
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,679
on participating private properties

2716
02:00:17,679 --> 02:00:19,920
under the authority already provided by

2717
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,480
the town's existing ordinances? If the

2718
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:26,960
answer is yes, so I I want to say I

2719
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,800
absolutely love the deer. I think

2720
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,840
they're beautiful, but

2721
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:35,599
there are so many of them. Um,

2722
02:00:35,599 --> 02:00:38,320
I truly would like to look at how many

2723
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:41,840
deer are there versus how many deer can

2724
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,760
what kind of deer population can Long

2725
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:49,679
Beach hopefully support. Um, I would be

2726
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:52,239
in favor of a deer reduction program. I

2727
02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:56,320
don't know if I would

2728
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:57,840
I don't know exactly what that would

2729
02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:59,840
look like. I would definitely be willing

2730
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:03,920
to talk about what it would look like.

2731
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,320
Um I know that the DNR does have a

2732
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,320
program that um

2733
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:12,639
the the DNR will pay for processing of

2734
02:01:12,639 --> 02:01:16,159
the deer and then if the meat is donated

2735
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:18,880
to uh homeless shelters and women's

2736
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:21,360
shelters. So, um, that part of the

2737
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,280
program can be like a very good thing

2738
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,280
for communities like ours because deer

2739
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:31,199
processing can be expensive. Um, and I

2740
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,199
uh there was a couple other things that

2741
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:36,480
I I wrote down. Um, I know that Beverly

2742
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:40,000
Shores does something. I know like my

2743
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:43,360
friend Miles does is it Dulan Beach? My

2744
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,679
friend Miles is in a head of the call in

2745
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:48,239
Dulan Beach. I mean, tons of communities

2746
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:50,400
like ours have the same problems that we

2747
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,560
do. And I love the deer. They're

2748
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,880
beautiful. But I also think that we need

2749
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:58,320
to think about the health of the deer

2750
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:00,880
overall. I mean, the scarcity of food,

2751
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,199
you see their ribs sticking out, the

2752
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:05,360
when when the the males, their antlers

2753
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,520
are all scraggly, that the genetics

2754
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:11,040
aren't good. Um, I do think we need to

2755
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,440
look into a deer reduction program. Not

2756
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,520
because I hate the deer and I'm mad

2757
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:18,719
about them messing up my hydrangeas. I

2758
02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:20,400
think we need to look at the overall

2759
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:22,159
health of the herd or whatever they're

2760
02:02:22,159 --> 02:02:23,840
called. So that's that's my two cents.

2761
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,679
So yes, I'd be willing to talk about it,

2762
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:27,679
look into it.

2763
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:30,960
>> Um I would just say that uh the USDA

2764
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,840
uses as their safety guideline

2765
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:37,280
uh no hunting within 200 yards of any

2766
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:41,599
residence or any habitable building. So,

2767
02:02:41,599 --> 02:02:44,320
uh, because of safety issues, I'll never

2768
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:48,239
vote for any kind of a hunt in the town

2769
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,719
of Long Beach

2770
02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:52,000
that I mean, I totally respect

2771
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:53,920
everyone's opinion, like I said, but I

2772
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:59,520
would just kind of question that USDA if if they don't allow 200 yards, why do

2773
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:00,880
we have an ordinance on the books that

2774
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,560
we would have approved that? I mean,

2775
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,400
that doesn't make any sense. And we were

2776
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:05,920
in 2021

2777
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:07,679
>> allowed on public lands.

2778
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,840
>> Oh, right. And this is not public lands.

2779
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:11,920
This is privately funded on private

2780
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:13,599
homeowners property. So it would not

2781
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:14,880
involve um

2782
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:17,280
>> well an arrow can go a lot farther than

2783
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:20,790
someone's property.

2784
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:24,239
» I mean I I it we would have to have you

2785
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:26,639
know a hunter safety course be passed.

2786
02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:29,840
We would have to have

2787
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:31,599
>> I have I haven't written down all the

2788
02:03:31,599 --> 02:03:32,000
things.

2789
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:33,599
>> Yeah. I mean I' I've been through this.

2790
02:03:33,599 --> 02:03:35,520
I've talked to Miles. I've talked to the

2791
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:37,199
all the programs the DNR has been to the

2792
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:39,199
house and I I totally am I'm in

2793
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:41,840
agreement like if I if this were to move

2794
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:43,760
forward I would come back with those

2795
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:45,440
types of answers and anyone who wanted

2796
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:47,199
to help that that kind of stuff could be

2797
02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:49,920
ironed out but I'm just like

2798
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:52,960
um taking a temperature if you will of

2799
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:55,599
the town council because um it's there's

2800
02:03:55,599 --> 02:03:58,800
no point in you know it's just I I I

2801
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,520
felt the same way 10 years ago or 20

2802
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:02,960
years ago when we moved here there was a

2803
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:04,480
few once in a while it wasn't n't a

2804
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:05,760
problem. I really didn't care about my

2805
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,520
hydrangeas. Maybe I'd get another one,

2806
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:10,159
but we can't even. Our dog caught mange

2807
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,159
because of the deer. That was literally

2808
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:15,199
probably an8 to a $10,000 pro diagnosis.

2809
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:16,560
So, we didn't know what it was until Dr.

2810
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:18,239
Bailey Bailey figured it out. But, we

2811
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:20,320
can't sit in our yard. They come out of

2812
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,679
nowhere. They're in

2813
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:25,360
Anyway, everyone's got their issues or

2814
02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:26,880
everyone's got their their love or not,

2815
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:29,040
but I used to feel the same way until

2816
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:30,480
it's just gotten out of control. the

2817
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:33,520
sheer number of them makes it um for

2818
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:35,199
everyone who loves them, there's another

2819
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:36,639
person who hates them. So, I just think

2820
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:39,119
it's it's the five of us responsibility

2821
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:41,760
to do what you feel is best in for the

2822
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,440
town or your heart or whatever. And if

2823
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:47,040
the vote is no, we're done, that's

2824
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:49,119
totally fine. I mean, I'll be, you know,

2825
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:50,560
it's not what I want, but that's fine.

2826
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:51,840
It's everyone's got their opinion. And

2827
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,840
if it's let's get more information, want

2828
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,480
to move forward. And it's an honest

2829
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,159
thing because it's a lot of work. I've,

2830
02:04:58,159 --> 02:04:59,520
like I said, I've talked to Beverly

2831
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:00,880
Shores. I've talked to Miles. I've

2832
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,679
talked to everybody and

2833
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:05,679
I'm happy to do it, but not I don't want

2834
02:05:05,679 --> 02:05:09,119
to do it just for I don't know someone

2835
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:10,719
saving face for the next meeting or

2836
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:12,159
something. So, um

2837
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:14,080
>> So, your motion is

2838
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:15,840
>> Well, before you go further, I just want

2839
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:18,000
to add as your consideration and not

2840
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,719
everybody's aware there was a recent

2841
02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:24,639
case out of Stallbring's court. um Judge

2842
02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:27,280
Stallbring so locally that resident

2843
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,520
challenged a neighbor

2844
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:32,000
and while I don't agree with all of the

2845
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,800
facts and some things that were accepted

2846
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,760
the finding was that if zoning so it's

2847
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:40,880
Nermberg versus RER and there isn't I

2848
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:42,719
don't actually have the reporter side I

2849
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:44,639
have the case that I'll share because

2850
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:47,360
I'm not saying that it's right now it's

2851
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:50,800
a reported case that's recent and and

2852
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:54,239
published as of June but the finding was

2853
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:57,119
that because hunting was not a specific

2854
02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:59,840
use that was allowed in a residential

2855
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,239
district that it was not allowed. Now,

2856
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:03,679
that doesn't mean that your code is

2857
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:05,360
apples apples. I'm just as you're doing

2858
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:06,960
your due diligence, as you said, for

2859
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:08,800
discussion purposes, I'll share this

2860
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:11,360
case. Again, doesn't mean it's dead in

2861
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,199
the water. Doesn't mean that even if

2862
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:14,719
that were the case that you guys can't

2863
02:06:14,719 --> 02:06:17,119
decide you want to change it. But I do

2864
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:19,599
think that that's a new development of

2865
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:21,760
reported law that didn't exist the last

2866
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,520
time you guys had this conversation.

2867
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,920
>> But doesn't our code support it the way

2868
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:27,119
our code is written?

2869
02:06:27,119 --> 02:06:30,079
>> You're you have a you added for that

2870
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:31,760
hunt, right?

2871
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:34,800
>> But zoning code deals with uses. And so

2872
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,280
the issue is whether those reconcile

2873
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:39,840
based on this finding and then whatever

2874
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:44,000
jurisdiction or ability to uh deal with

2875
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,159
the deal population under the

2876
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:48,320
jurisdiction of DNR. So you have lots of

2877
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:50,079
things but I just want to point that one

2878
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:52,239
out is

2879
02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:55,520
that may say that you need to change the

2880
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,840
zoning code to reconcile or have some

2881
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:00,400
exceptions based on that or it might not

2882
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:01,920
be apples to apples. I'm just bringing

2883
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:03,599
it cuz as you said, you're doing your

2884
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:05,280
due diligence and

2885
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:07,040
>> and you know we can see if it's

2886
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:08,079
applicable here.

2887
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:09,920
>> Yeah.

2888
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,400
So, um yeah, just to keep it short, like

2889
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:15,520
I said, I would like to make a motion to

2890
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,040
proceed with moving forward with

2891
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:19,440
developing and implementing

2892
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:25,430
um a program. again

2893
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,639
contingent upon the qualifications of

2894
02:07:28,639 --> 02:07:31,040
everything being approved with the

2895
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,520
attorney and with with Mark and and and

2896
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:35,280
those sorts of things. Like I said, I

2897
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:36,800
just don't want to waste time going

2898
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:39,040
through that cuz I've been down that

2899
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:40,960
road before. So, if there's a motion to

2900
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:44,000
move forward, um

2901
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:45,760
do we have a second? Thanks.

2902
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:48,719
>> I'll second that.

2903
02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:52,000
>> Any more discussion?

2904
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:53,840
All in favor say I.

2905
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,679
>> I.

2906
02:07:55,679 --> 02:08:00,320
>> All opposed. I opposed.

2907
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,239
>> Sorry. Thank you. Can you

2908
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:04,800
>> What was that vote? Two to three. So

2909
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:05,920
two. It did not pass.

2910
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:09,679
>> It did not pass. Okay. Thank

2911
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:11,920
>> you. Voted.

2912
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:13,440
>> Um,

2913
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:14,079
>> yes.

2914
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:17,520
>> Same. No.

2915
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:23,750
>> Okay. Do we have any council comments?

2916
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,440
Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to

2917
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:26,800
adjurnn.

2918
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:29,040
>> I'll make the motion to adjurnn.

2919
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:30,880
>> I'll second.

2920
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:34,079
Any discussion? All in favor say I.

2921
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:34,480
>> I.

2922
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:39,253
Thank you everyone.

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