1 00:00:02,738 --> 00:00:04,721 You are watching La Porte County Channel 97 2 00:00:04,721 --> 00:00:06,732 . Shortly, the 3 00:00:06,732 --> 00:00:09,929 Long Beach Advisory Planning Committee meeting to be held on October 5th will be 4 00:00:09,975 --> 00:00:13,419 broadcast. You can find more information about this meeting 5 00:00:13,483 --> 00:00:15,666 at www.accesslaportecounty.org 6 00:00:15,666 --> 00:00:20,803 . 7 00:00:20,803 --> 00:00:25,319 hello. 8 00:00:25,371 --> 00:00:27,115 Welcome to the Advisory Planning Committee meeting on October 5, 2026 9 00:00:27,115 --> 00:00:31,942 . The meeting 10 00:00:31,942 --> 00:00:37,172 starts at 7:02 PM. Everyone, please 11 00:00:37,218 --> 00:00:40,498 stand up to pledge allegiance to the national flag. 12 00:00:40,498 --> 00:00:42,317 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 13 00:00:42,317 --> 00:00:44,190 Republic it represents, 14 00:00:44,190 --> 00:00:46,064 one nation under God, 15 00:00:46,064 --> 00:00:48,044 indivisible nation, where 16 00:00:48,044 --> 00:00:51,951 liberty and justice are for all people 17 00:00:52,004 --> 00:00:55,190 . 18 00:00:55,190 --> 00:01:00,220 thank you. Diana, 19 00:01:00,220 --> 00:01:02,135 please confirm attendance. 20 00:01:02,135 --> 00:01:06,542 Tender Bartlett. McColins. 21 00:01:06,542 --> 00:01:07,891 I am participating via Zoom 22 00:01:07,891 --> 00:01:09,250 . 23 00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:11,030 Diana Holt. I am here 24 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:13,147 . Matt Carstenson. Here it is 25 00:01:13,147 --> 00:01:13,818 . 26 00:01:13,818 --> 00:01:14,949 Stephanie Foreman. 27 00:01:14,949 --> 00:01:16,638 Here it is. Anita 28 00:01:16,638 --> 00:01:17,676 Remi Zis. 29 00:01:17,676 --> 00:01:19,227 attendance. 30 00:01:19,227 --> 00:01:22,524 Tomboy O'Bitch 31 00:01:22,524 --> 00:01:25,149 Hello, Tom. 32 00:01:25,149 --> 00:01:26,517 He froze. It's 33 00:01:26,517 --> 00:01:27,520 frozen. 34 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,999 But he is here. It 35 00:01:28,999 --> 00:01:30,547 looks good. 36 00:01:30,547 --> 00:01:33,223 Tom, you aren't moving an inch. 37 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:35,255 Ah, it's muted now, too. 38 00:01:35,255 --> 00:01:37,073 Attorney Chris Will Robbie 39 00:01:37,073 --> 00:01:39,648 is present. The microphone is 40 00:01:39,648 --> 00:01:40,561 off. 41 00:01:40,561 --> 00:01:42,729 i know. Tom, the microphone is off, but I 42 00:01:42,729 --> 00:01:44,465 know you are here 43 00:01:44,465 --> 00:01:45,851 . He's 44 00:01:45,851 --> 00:01:48,250 not moving an inch again. yes. It 45 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:51,798 still looks good. 46 00:01:51,798 --> 00:01:56,338 Well, I hope everyone has seen the minutes from August 17, 2026 47 00:01:56,338 --> 00:01:59,373 . I 48 00:01:59,373 --> 00:02:01,003 will propose a motion to approve the minutes. 49 00:02:01,003 --> 00:02:02,441 second. To 50 00:02:02,441 --> 00:02:04,537 everyone who agrees. You 51 00:02:04,537 --> 00:02:06,916 must agree. I apologize for the call-out vote 52 00:02:06,916 --> 00:02:08,887 . Diana, would you like to vote by name 53 00:02:08,887 --> 00:02:10,063 ? yes 54 00:02:10,063 --> 00:02:12,202 . Matt Collins. yes 55 00:02:12,202 --> 00:02:13,968 . 56 00:02:13,968 --> 00:02:16,754 Diana Holt, yes. Matt Cass 57 00:02:16,754 --> 00:02:17,440 Trend. yes 58 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:17,984 . 59 00:02:17,984 --> 00:02:20,411 Seth Putt Num. yes. Anita Lu 60 00:02:20,411 --> 00:02:21,427 Beach. yes. 61 00:02:21,427 --> 00:02:26,139 Tom Lubich. wait a minute. Russell 62 00:02:26,139 --> 00:02:30,931 Perry doesn't exist. There are 63 00:02:30,931 --> 00:02:32,515 plenty. Yes, 64 00:02:32,515 --> 00:02:33,907 that is correct. Hmm, I do 65 00:02:33,907 --> 00:02:38,575 n't have any. 66 00:02:38,575 --> 00:02:40,101 Changing the use of the community center park 67 00:02:40,101 --> 00:02:41,830 is not a new agenda. This is 68 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:43,250 something that has already been discussed before. yes 69 00:02:43,250 --> 00:02:44,119 . 70 00:02:44,119 --> 00:02:46,623 There are no new agenda items. The 71 00:02:46,623 --> 00:02:48,323 existing agenda includes 72 00:02:48,323 --> 00:02:52,553 an update to the comprehensive plan. Um... 73 00:02:52,553 --> 00:02:59,442 so, we need to check if everyone has reviewed the content 74 00:02:59,488 --> 00:03:10,501 . I tried to organize some opinions 75 00:03:10,501 --> 00:03:13,798 based on what was discussed regarding the previous plan, but I was 76 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:27,778 unable to finish the last few pages. I'm 77 00:03:27,778 --> 00:03:33,821 not sure if the others have finished. It 78 00:03:33,877 --> 00:03:36,126 seems like Tom had a few opinions. Seth, do you happen to have any particular 79 00:03:36,126 --> 00:03:39,458 thoughts? 80 00:03:39,458 --> 00:03:43,957 Would you like me to contact you by email? Our finance manager informed us that we have entered into a 81 00:03:43,957 --> 00:03:47,506 $14,500 contract with McKenna, so we 82 00:03:50,851 --> 00:03:52,423 need to reach an agreement regarding what they have done for us 83 00:03:52,423 --> 00:04:01,241 . I sent a 84 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:02,952 note to Jim McManus regarding that amount 85 00:04:02,952 --> 00:04:08,815 . Jim will 86 00:04:08,815 --> 00:04:12,330 not be in the office on Monday and Tuesday, so I would 87 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:17,216 like to check with him what is needed to finalize the comprehensive plan. 88 00:04:17,216 --> 00:04:18,816 And the second thing was to 89 00:04:18,816 --> 00:04:22,278 complete the map. 90 00:04:22,278 --> 00:04:23,890 Joey picked a small area at the bottom of the map that he 91 00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:25,788 said did not belong to Long Beach 92 00:04:25,788 --> 00:04:32,115 . 93 00:04:32,115 --> 00:04:35,603 I sent that photo to Jim. I 94 00:04:35,603 --> 00:04:37,130 also think that the map we gave them 95 00:04:37,130 --> 00:04:38,657 seems old 96 00:04:38,657 --> 00:04:42,342 . The 97 00:04:42,342 --> 00:04:43,911 local commercial district around the Hacienda was 98 00:04:43,911 --> 00:04:46,096 not marked. It was 99 00:04:46,096 --> 00:04:48,798 marked as a residential area, 100 00:04:48,837 --> 00:04:50,369 not a commercial area. Joey 101 00:04:50,369 --> 00:04:52,009 , Chris, and I came to the conclusion that the 102 00:04:52,009 --> 00:04:53,559 map is an old map and 103 00:04:53,559 --> 00:04:55,336 not an accurate map 104 00:04:55,336 --> 00:04:59,102 . It 105 00:04:59,150 --> 00:05:00,426 seems to be a map created in 2016. Yes, 106 00:05:00,426 --> 00:05:01,881 in that case, that map is probably correct 107 00:05:01,881 --> 00:05:02,410 . 108 00:05:02,410 --> 00:05:04,135 And to add to that, in my 109 00:05:04,135 --> 00:05:05,958 opinion, and since Meg kindly 110 00:05:05,958 --> 00:05:07,930 sent their resolution 111 00:05:07,930 --> 00:05:09,853 , I think it would be good to share it with everyone 112 00:05:09,853 --> 00:05:15,597 . In my opinion, 113 00:05:15,597 --> 00:05:16,957 they 114 00:05:16,957 --> 00:05:18,477 drew up a comprehensive plan and there were discussions and intentions to eliminate the commercial district and 115 00:05:18,477 --> 00:05:20,037 turn it into a residential area 116 00:05:20,037 --> 00:05:23,775 , but 117 00:05:23,775 --> 00:05:25,537 the map did not go through the 118 00:05:25,537 --> 00:05:27,346 zoning process to be officially adopted 119 00:05:27,346 --> 00:05:29,611 . So, 120 00:05:29,611 --> 00:05:31,238 I think there is still an 121 00:05:31,238 --> 00:05:32,821 opportunity to decide which direction to go 122 00:05:32,821 --> 00:05:34,525 . Seth, please correct me 123 00:05:34,525 --> 00:05:36,300 if I'm wrong 124 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:38,299 . However, the current atmosphere suggests that they are 125 00:05:38,299 --> 00:05:39,711 not shutting down the business 126 00:05:39,711 --> 00:05:41,443 but maintaining it as is, 127 00:05:41,443 --> 00:05:42,533 right? 128 00:05:42,533 --> 00:05:48,770 you're right. yes. So, 129 00:05:48,770 --> 00:05:50,590 the business will be maintained, but 130 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:52,267 disruptions resulting from the zone change will be applied 131 00:05:52,267 --> 00:05:52,703 . 132 00:05:52,703 --> 00:05:55,496 Right? Then, is there any 133 00:05:55,496 --> 00:05:56,922 material I need to send to McKenna 134 00:05:56,922 --> 00:06:02,557 ? Is there anything we 135 00:06:02,557 --> 00:06:04,214 need to discuss regarding the map I need to help with 136 00:06:04,214 --> 00:06:10,441 ? I think it is now 137 00:06:10,441 --> 00:06:12,032 time for me to discuss this together 138 00:06:12,032 --> 00:06:13,417 . 139 00:06:13,417 --> 00:06:15,444 When talking with McKenna, I think it would be better to proceed with that part 140 00:06:15,444 --> 00:06:17,264 more efficiently 141 00:06:17,264 --> 00:06:19,240 , or convey the necessary details first 142 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:25,831 , and then 143 00:06:25,876 --> 00:06:27,578 quickly check with Seth the direction we have been heading so far 144 00:06:27,578 --> 00:06:31,621 . Seth 145 00:06:31,672 --> 00:06:34,644 did a lot of the editing work and things like that. This issue is 146 00:06:34,644 --> 00:06:37,971 becoming increasingly important. This is 147 00:06:38,018 --> 00:06:39,847 especially true if you want to finish this work within this year 148 00:06:39,847 --> 00:06:43,867 . This is because there are matters that need to be coordinated, including holding state-level public hearings related to housing development efforts 149 00:06:45,756 --> 00:06:48,450 . It is 150 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:50,093 very important to proceed with this process 151 00:06:50,093 --> 00:06:53,360 . As we discussed in a 152 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,913 brief meeting with Seth and Joey 153 00:06:54,913 --> 00:06:57,399 , 154 00:06:57,399 --> 00:06:59,193 park site consolidation 155 00:06:59,193 --> 00:07:02,414 is the easiest part of the entire process. This is 156 00:07:02,454 --> 00:07:03,718 because you only need to convey the relevant information to the county 157 00:07:03,718 --> 00:07:06,434 . However, actually 158 00:07:06,434 --> 00:07:08,174 amending the ordinance to establish the zone 159 00:07:08,174 --> 00:07:10,064 and proceeding with all the procedures is 160 00:07:10,064 --> 00:07:13,769 simpler than you might think. 161 00:07:13,769 --> 00:07:18,345 great. 162 00:07:18,345 --> 00:07:20,049 In addition to the details regarding the fees, I will 163 00:07:20,049 --> 00:07:23,457 send another email to Jim suggesting that we have a brief discussion via Zoom video conference 164 00:07:23,503 --> 00:07:26,488 . You can 165 00:07:26,488 --> 00:07:27,968 do it with Jim and Seth, or Jim can do it alone 166 00:07:27,968 --> 00:07:29,608 . Yes, it's fine 167 00:07:29,608 --> 00:07:30,342 . You may bring 168 00:07:30,342 --> 00:07:32,195 Cessna and Jim along 169 00:07:32,195 --> 00:07:34,552 . I think it is important to use the 170 00:07:34,552 --> 00:07:37,701 village's funds wisely for all of us 171 00:07:37,747 --> 00:07:40,872 . Right? 172 00:07:40,872 --> 00:07:42,713 And while timing is important 173 00:07:42,713 --> 00:07:44,459 , it is also a time when these things need to be coordinated 174 00:07:44,459 --> 00:07:47,774 . For example, 175 00:07:51,024 --> 00:07:52,450 like the case where it was adopted in 2016 and then adopted again in 2017, but the map originally intended was not officially adopted. We have to make sure that does 176 00:07:52,450 --> 00:07:53,917 n't happen this time 177 00:07:53,917 --> 00:07:57,241 , right? yes. 178 00:07:58,939 --> 00:08:01,495 May I let you know once it is confirmed and ask if you can participate? Yes, it's fine. 179 00:08:01,495 --> 00:08:02,447 Or, if you include me in the email 180 00:08:02,447 --> 00:08:03,348 , I think we 181 00:08:03,348 --> 00:08:04,198 can coordinate things like the counter 182 00:08:04,198 --> 00:08:05,621 . yes. great. 183 00:08:05,621 --> 00:08:07,416 This Friday. yes. yes 184 00:08:07,416 --> 00:08:10,501 . yes. It's a nice birthday. Yes, 185 00:08:10,601 --> 00:08:11,370 I think so. 186 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:13,725 No, it's fine. No, it's fine 187 00:08:13,725 --> 00:08:21,641 . Um, yes. great. So I 188 00:08:21,641 --> 00:08:23,293 sent an email to the group saying, "Please 189 00:08:23,293 --> 00:08:26,404 review the materials I sent, 190 00:08:26,453 --> 00:08:28,300 compare them with your notes or materials, 191 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:30,098 finalize your thoughts, and 192 00:08:30,098 --> 00:08:34,205 set a deadline." I'm going to say that 193 00:08:34,205 --> 00:08:34,356 . 194 00:08:34,356 --> 00:08:36,806 Also, please feel free to share your opinions 195 00:08:36,906 --> 00:08:38,210 or wrap things up 196 00:08:38,210 --> 00:08:41,275 . Okay, I'll 197 00:08:41,275 --> 00:08:43,774 set it to 7 days. Because 198 00:08:43,774 --> 00:08:46,283 there is a regular meeting in two weeks. 199 00:08:46,283 --> 00:08:47,945 The deadline for submitting opinions 200 00:08:47,945 --> 00:08:50,207 is the 7th. Otherwise, that 201 00:08:50,207 --> 00:08:54,056 's a shame. And please keep in mind that 202 00:08:54,056 --> 00:08:55,636 if a public hearing needs to be held in the future, a 203 00:08:55,636 --> 00:08:57,355 minimum of 10 days and a newspaper publication period are 204 00:08:57,355 --> 00:08:58,981 required 205 00:08:58,981 --> 00:09:05,123 . About 14 days should give you enough 206 00:09:05,175 --> 00:09:08,242 time to coordinate the schedule with the newspaper. 207 00:09:08,242 --> 00:09:09,985 So, it seems it will be difficult to hold a public hearing in October 208 00:09:09,985 --> 00:09:12,686 . 209 00:09:12,686 --> 00:09:14,546 But November might be possible 210 00:09:14,546 --> 00:09:19,379 . If you aim for November, you will be 211 00:09:21,569 --> 00:09:23,094 prepared for the possibility that something might happen or that the public hearing needs to be postponed 212 00:09:23,094 --> 00:09:28,063 . Until December. Hmm 213 00:09:28,063 --> 00:09:31,888 , but I think it would be best for the City Council to make a decision in December so that they 214 00:09:31,942 --> 00:09:35,659 can review all opinions, whether for or against 215 00:09:35,713 --> 00:09:40,583 . 216 00:09:40,583 --> 00:09:42,097 If the goal is to adopt it in 2026. 217 00:09:42,097 --> 00:09:49,426 great. Then, we will hold the public hearing 218 00:09:49,426 --> 00:09:50,822 at the APC meeting in November 219 00:09:50,822 --> 00:09:53,201 . And the City Council will 220 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:54,437 review it at the December meeting 221 00:09:54,437 --> 00:09:56,336 . Because we will 222 00:09:56,378 --> 00:09:58,133 finalize everything at the regular meeting in October. 223 00:09:58,133 --> 00:10:00,018 great. I think it is 224 00:10:00,018 --> 00:10:01,935 very reasonable, too. 225 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:03,778 And if additional details are needed, we 226 00:10:03,778 --> 00:10:05,069 could do that, but 227 00:10:05,069 --> 00:10:06,821 for now, let's try it this way 228 00:10:06,821 --> 00:10:09,751 . Tom, are you alright, Meg? 229 00:10:09,751 --> 00:10:13,580 Yes, it's fine. By doing this, you can have a 230 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:15,285 little flexibility in scheduling 231 00:10:15,285 --> 00:10:17,522 . I do not 232 00:10:17,522 --> 00:10:19,215 want to be too lenient, but 233 00:10:19,215 --> 00:10:21,106 the City Council holds its 234 00:10:21,106 --> 00:10:22,998 regular meeting on the second Monday of every year as per custom 235 00:10:22,998 --> 00:10:25,932 . 236 00:10:25,932 --> 00:10:27,629 Therefore, there are a few options in case something happens or if we have to 237 00:10:27,629 --> 00:10:30,935 continue the meeting until December 238 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:32,729 . There are a few 239 00:10:32,729 --> 00:10:34,894 options. And 240 00:10:34,894 --> 00:10:36,696 through this, Seth and I have the opportunity to 241 00:10:36,696 --> 00:10:38,498 organize what he did into the form of an ordinance 242 00:10:38,498 --> 00:10:44,016 . Then it will 243 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:45,388 become material that can be submitted to the city council. 244 00:10:45,388 --> 00:10:47,008 great. 245 00:10:47,008 --> 00:10:48,689 We think so. Anita 246 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:49,331 ? all 247 00:10:49,331 --> 00:10:53,000 right. 248 00:10:54,544 --> 00:10:56,427 Is two deliberations required for the City Council to approve this ordinance, or is it 249 00:10:56,427 --> 00:10:59,848 required only once? 250 00:10:59,848 --> 00:11:05,500 This is a bit different. Generally, as you 251 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:08,766 know, once an ordinance is passed, it 252 00:11:08,814 --> 00:11:10,687 undergoes two rounds of deliberation and may be put on hold; however, 253 00:11:10,687 --> 00:11:12,608 due to the nature of your work, the 254 00:11:12,608 --> 00:11:14,530 procedures and public hearings are 255 00:11:14,530 --> 00:11:19,526 handled at your level. For example 256 00:11:19,526 --> 00:11:21,182 , let's assume that a recommendation is submitted to the city council and 257 00:11:21,182 --> 00:11:22,839 the council 258 00:11:22,839 --> 00:11:24,496 votes to accept it 259 00:11:24,496 --> 00:11:27,938 . If 260 00:11:27,938 --> 00:11:30,060 you propose 261 00:11:30,060 --> 00:11:31,917 several changes along with positive recommendations and the 262 00:11:31,917 --> 00:11:33,933 City Council 263 00:11:33,933 --> 00:11:37,806 adopts them as is, they will take effect immediately and 264 00:11:37,859 --> 00:11:39,821 be finalized after undergoing procedures such as public announcement. 265 00:11:39,821 --> 00:11:43,040 Simply put, multiple 266 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,822 deliberations are not required. As I 267 00:11:44,822 --> 00:11:48,363 said before, the core of that theory is that 268 00:11:48,413 --> 00:11:50,233 you are playing an important role regarding announcements 269 00:11:50,233 --> 00:11:52,109 . thank you 270 00:11:52,109 --> 00:11:56,769 . great. 271 00:11:56,769 --> 00:11:59,320 Then, let's move on to Clause 154.202 272 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,718 . I asked Seth to take 273 00:12:01,718 --> 00:12:03,239 charge of the discussion on this part 274 00:12:03,239 --> 00:12:04,368 . 275 00:12:04,368 --> 00:12:06,088 And Chris, we have 276 00:12:06,088 --> 00:12:09,251 talked about this topic before, but I do 277 00:12:09,298 --> 00:12:11,119 n't remember the exact answer. 278 00:12:11,119 --> 00:12:12,649 So, before getting to the main point 279 00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:17,902 , I would like to ask whether changes in use for public/quasi-public purposes 280 00:12:17,902 --> 00:12:24,569 and community centers/parks are 281 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:26,492 included in the comprehensive plan or 282 00:12:26,492 --> 00:12:28,045 in the zoning code 283 00:12:28,045 --> 00:12:29,495 . 284 00:12:29,495 --> 00:12:30,901 Considering the timing and progress 285 00:12:30,901 --> 00:12:32,431 , it 286 00:12:32,431 --> 00:12:34,103 seems that all of this should be discussed together. 287 00:12:34,103 --> 00:12:40,240 Therefore, it would be best to finalize this part at the next meeting so that it can be 288 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,377 processed promptly 289 00:12:43,422 --> 00:12:47,108 . The 290 00:12:47,108 --> 00:12:48,741 basic framework, such as building setback distances, has already been 291 00:12:48,741 --> 00:12:51,440 established. I think the 292 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,047 deadline is getting closer 293 00:12:53,047 --> 00:12:54,773 . It will all 294 00:12:54,773 --> 00:12:56,757 proceed together. Yes, 295 00:12:56,757 --> 00:12:58,734 I agree as well. However, I 296 00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:02,372 think the comprehensive plan will 297 00:13:02,424 --> 00:13:04,422 likely create some kind of semi-public space... Or in the ordinance 298 00:13:04,422 --> 00:13:07,906 … In other words, should we add a clause regarding "quasi-public space" to the ordinance 299 00:13:07,958 --> 00:13:12,023 ? And 300 00:13:12,057 --> 00:13:12,971 should I specify the separation distance requirements for that? 301 00:13:12,971 --> 00:13:13,999 I have that data 302 00:13:13,999 --> 00:13:14,531 . 303 00:13:14,531 --> 00:13:15,886 You have one too, right? 304 00:13:15,886 --> 00:13:17,696 Yes, then we can reflect that in the ordinance 305 00:13:17,696 --> 00:13:19,956 . great. Then 306 00:13:19,956 --> 00:13:21,485 my work will be a bit easier 307 00:13:21,485 --> 00:13:28,194 . It's really good. 308 00:13:28,194 --> 00:13:29,972 So, aside from 309 00:13:29,972 --> 00:13:31,800 a few points of discussion Tom raised with me via email today 310 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,782 , I 311 00:13:33,782 --> 00:13:35,661 think what we currently have is 312 00:13:35,661 --> 00:13:37,541 basically the 313 00:13:37,541 --> 00:13:39,217 finalized ordinance, or its amendment 314 00:13:39,217 --> 00:13:44,128 . The 315 00:13:44,128 --> 00:13:45,934 main difference from the last time is the inclusion of 316 00:13:45,934 --> 00:13:47,644 setback distance requirements for local commercial districts 317 00:13:47,644 --> 00:13:49,402 , and the details are 318 00:13:49,402 --> 00:13:51,428 shown in the chart. 319 00:13:51,428 --> 00:13:56,076 The bottom one. Hmm, and then I 320 00:13:56,076 --> 00:13:58,106 included a comprehensive phrase, 321 00:13:58,106 --> 00:14:05,093 but I'll have to look it up again. 322 00:14:05,093 --> 00:14:10,934 Number 154. Well, instead of number 051, 323 00:14:10,934 --> 00:14:13,532 as you know, things such as private garages, warehouses 324 00:14:13,532 --> 00:14:16,129 or storage buildings, private swimming pools, 325 00:14:16,129 --> 00:14:18,596 high decks, court arches, latticework, awnings, canopies, flagpoles, 326 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:20,999 open 327 00:14:20,999 --> 00:14:23,272 terraces, open kitchens or 328 00:14:23,272 --> 00:14:25,544 cooking equipment, and fireplaces are 329 00:14:25,544 --> 00:14:28,044 allowed. And there is a 330 00:14:28,044 --> 00:14:29,895 list, and I 331 00:14:29,895 --> 00:14:33,404 added item number 11 to it, which is 332 00:14:35,256 --> 00:14:36,815 other similar subordinate buildings, 333 00:14:36,815 --> 00:14:38,715 structures, uses, or improvements that are customarily or reasonably incidental to the primary use 334 00:14:38,715 --> 00:14:42,601 . This gives the building committee an 335 00:14:42,601 --> 00:14:46,201 unusual amount of discretion, but it is 336 00:14:49,652 --> 00:14:54,429 impossible to create a perfect list that covers everything present and future. Therefore, I 337 00:14:54,474 --> 00:14:55,779 think it is reasonable to include this item. yes 338 00:14:55,779 --> 00:14:58,460 . 339 00:14:58,460 --> 00:15:02,866 Well, 340 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:15,845 there is one change compared to what I distributed to you on Saturday: I have modified the part in Clause 154.054 that 341 00:15:15,845 --> 00:15:17,636 goes directly from B to D. 342 00:15:17,636 --> 00:15:20,463 So 343 00:15:20,463 --> 00:15:24,309 now it is in the order of A, B, C, D, E, F, G. It is 344 00:15:24,309 --> 00:15:27,052 a bit 345 00:15:27,052 --> 00:15:28,888 awkward, isn't it? 346 00:15:28,888 --> 00:15:30,459 However, other than that, we have incorporated all the 347 00:15:30,459 --> 00:15:31,985 opinions raised in the last few meetings 348 00:15:31,985 --> 00:15:37,366 . I 349 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:42,924 would appreciate it if you could review this again over the next few weeks and let me know if you have any final comments 350 00:15:42,924 --> 00:15:44,766 . We will discuss and reflect this at the final meeting 351 00:15:44,766 --> 00:15:48,609 . The 352 00:15:48,609 --> 00:16:02,093 154.051 that Tom mentioned, oh, right. 353 00:16:02,093 --> 00:16:08,323 It is Article 154. This provision 354 00:16:10,103 --> 00:16:17,078 allows for the operation of a very small-scale childcare business from home. As you know, 355 00:16:17,078 --> 00:16:21,324 Part 3 states that no one other than residents may 356 00:16:21,324 --> 00:16:24,427 provide childcare services 357 00:16:24,472 --> 00:16:31,682 . I think, 358 00:16:31,682 --> 00:16:33,441 and my intention, was to encourage mothers or others to provide paid after-school activities and childcare on a small scale, although this may become somewhat meaningless 359 00:16:33,441 --> 00:16:36,568 due to the current social structure of Long Beach 360 00:16:45,460 --> 00:16:52,042 . That is why I imposed a few 361 00:16:52,042 --> 00:16:56,444 restrictions. I am not sure if there are enough children in Long Beach to 362 00:16:56,444 --> 00:16:59,979 run childcare services, but 363 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:01,899 if this provision is 364 00:17:01,899 --> 00:17:03,667 maintained, I think it is somewhat problematic to prohibit responsible 365 00:17:03,667 --> 00:17:05,435 people, perhaps licensed 366 00:17:05,435 --> 00:17:09,324 ones, from caring for children 367 00:17:09,375 --> 00:17:14,921 . However, I 368 00:17:14,962 --> 00:17:18,227 will leave the discussion on this part to you. That 369 00:17:18,271 --> 00:17:21,352 is exactly the point Thomas raised. If you want to allow people to run childcare businesses, let them 370 00:17:21,393 --> 00:17:22,582 run them. 371 00:17:22,582 --> 00:17:24,323 Because it doesn't make sense to attach the condition that only people living there can 372 00:17:24,323 --> 00:17:27,284 take care of the children 373 00:17:27,328 --> 00:17:27,864 . 374 00:17:27,864 --> 00:17:30,490 No. 375 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:32,054 So, Tom, that was a good point 376 00:17:32,054 --> 00:17:34,286 . Did I understand your opinion 377 00:17:34,286 --> 00:17:35,900 correctly? yes 378 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:39,287 . yes. 379 00:17:39,287 --> 00:17:41,478 Meg, is Meg still here? 380 00:17:41,478 --> 00:17:44,393 Yes, here it is. Meg, 381 00:17:44,393 --> 00:17:46,017 what do you happen to think about that 382 00:17:46,017 --> 00:17:46,545 ? 383 00:17:46,545 --> 00:17:48,645 Hmm, I read that earlier, and it was 384 00:17:48,645 --> 00:17:51,327 n't positive. 385 00:17:51,327 --> 00:17:53,124 Honestly, I didn't focus that much on that part 386 00:17:53,124 --> 00:17:55,080 , but I 387 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,519 have a question. I might already 388 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:00,829 know this, but 389 00:18:00,829 --> 00:18:02,528 procedurally, does it go 390 00:18:02,528 --> 00:18:04,420 directly to the City Council after passing through the Architectural Committee 391 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:07,935 ? Or are you 392 00:18:07,935 --> 00:18:09,468 going back to the Architectural Committee 393 00:18:09,468 --> 00:18:10,938 ? 394 00:18:10,938 --> 00:18:13,351 Yes, yes, yes, we submitted this issue 395 00:18:13,351 --> 00:18:15,575 to the Architectural Committee, and 396 00:18:15,575 --> 00:18:16,628 the committee has 397 00:18:16,628 --> 00:18:18,602 already provided feedback and 398 00:18:18,702 --> 00:18:20,614 requested opinions, and we have received some feedback 399 00:18:20,614 --> 00:18:23,231 . In terms of procedural aspects 400 00:18:23,231 --> 00:18:24,926 ... if they are 401 00:18:24,926 --> 00:18:26,716 not participating, they are not involved in this work 402 00:18:26,716 --> 00:18:30,108 , but we are 403 00:18:30,155 --> 00:18:31,756 incorporating all the opinions they provided into this draft 404 00:18:31,756 --> 00:18:34,617 . However, the 405 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,659 answer to the question of whether they have the final approval authority is 'no'. 406 00:18:37,659 --> 00:18:41,413 Yes, I was just curious. I'm 407 00:18:41,459 --> 00:18:42,577 not sure if I missed that part a few months ago. 408 00:18:42,577 --> 00:18:44,211 Yes, and if they 409 00:18:44,211 --> 00:18:47,396 wish to participate, they can attend public hearings just like those who have been 410 00:18:47,396 --> 00:18:50,413 observing the process and have been discussing the building committee so far, and they can also 411 00:18:56,484 --> 00:18:58,215 participate if an agenda item is submitted at the city council level. All 412 00:18:58,215 --> 00:18:59,404 documents 413 00:18:59,404 --> 00:19:03,987 were delivered to them. I 414 00:19:03,987 --> 00:19:05,870 mean the Building Committee, APC. 415 00:19:05,870 --> 00:19:07,067 Yes, I will let you know that if you want to send this content back 416 00:19:07,067 --> 00:19:08,138 to them to offer your opinion, you should do so right 417 00:19:08,138 --> 00:19:09,115 now 418 00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:10,421 . You 419 00:19:10,421 --> 00:19:11,674 must submit your opinion within 2 weeks 420 00:19:11,674 --> 00:19:12,132 . 421 00:19:12,132 --> 00:19:14,036 Yes, it's fine. I asked to 422 00:19:14,036 --> 00:19:15,125 check if I understood correctly 423 00:19:15,125 --> 00:19:16,181 . thank you 424 00:19:16,181 --> 00:19:18,205 . all right. 425 00:19:18,205 --> 00:19:19,891 So, what I'm saying is that the plan 426 00:19:19,891 --> 00:19:22,763 will proceed in this way? 427 00:19:22,763 --> 00:19:24,036 What do you think about the childcare issue discussed in relation to marriage? Should I 428 00:19:24,036 --> 00:19:25,124 leave this part as is 429 00:19:25,124 --> 00:19:26,742 or delete it? No, 430 00:19:26,742 --> 00:19:27,561 leave it. 431 00:19:27,561 --> 00:19:28,829 Or do you need time to review it 432 00:19:28,829 --> 00:19:30,272 ? Do you need time to modify the 433 00:19:30,272 --> 00:19:32,707 parts permitted by a licensed person 434 00:19:32,743 --> 00:19:33,807 ? Yes, 435 00:19:33,807 --> 00:19:35,215 I think it would be better to delete that clause 436 00:19:35,215 --> 00:19:36,579 . 437 00:19:36,579 --> 00:19:38,430 Yes, that is correct. great. 438 00:19:38,430 --> 00:19:39,560 Third deletion. Let's 439 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,160 proceed as is. Yes, I 440 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,936 agree. 441 00:19:42,936 --> 00:19:44,677 Yes, I'm fine too. 442 00:19:44,677 --> 00:19:50,268 great. And I would like to briefly mention 443 00:19:50,268 --> 00:19:53,454 one of the things Tom mentioned 444 00:19:53,454 --> 00:19:55,594 . As he said, it seems there 445 00:19:55,594 --> 00:19:57,380 was some confusion regarding Article 154.051 446 00:19:57,380 --> 00:20:08,570 . I assume that answers your question, so I will 447 00:20:08,609 --> 00:20:13,699 proceed directly to the relevant clause. Ah, it 448 00:20:13,699 --> 00:20:14,627 is 154. 449 00:20:14,627 --> 00:20:15,439 you're right. 450 00:20:15,439 --> 00:20:19,982 great. The purpose clause, that is, the 451 00:20:19,982 --> 00:20:23,849 'purpose' in part A, 452 00:20:23,906 --> 00:20:29,648 concerns the distinction between remodeling and actual demolition. 453 00:20:29,648 --> 00:20:31,701 The purpose of this provision is to distinguish between substantial demolition 454 00:20:31,701 --> 00:20:33,601 (considered new construction) and the 455 00:20:33,601 --> 00:20:35,654 remodeling of an existing building 456 00:20:35,654 --> 00:20:39,425 . A 457 00:20:41,082 --> 00:20:43,810 habitable building or structure that can be maintained under the condition of complying with the limitations of this provision. 458 00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:49,602 So he wondered if the expression "that which may continue on the condition of complying with the limitations of this clause 459 00:20:49,636 --> 00:20:50,802 " was 460 00:20:50,802 --> 00:20:51,968 somewhat 461 00:20:51,968 --> 00:20:53,778 confusing. 462 00:20:53,778 --> 00:20:55,368 And he 463 00:20:55,368 --> 00:20:57,600 found the answer to the question himself. The 464 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,006 part I modified is Clause C. 465 00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:04,801 Projects deemed as renovations are not required to comply with all provisions of this Chapter solely on the grounds that they are renovations, as long as the existing building or 466 00:21:04,801 --> 00:21:08,343 structure meets the standards 467 00:21:09,854 --> 00:21:14,671 . 468 00:21:14,671 --> 00:21:16,534 Therefore, the question is whether this object sentence is 469 00:21:16,534 --> 00:21:18,258 confusing enough to require correction 470 00:21:18,258 --> 00:21:22,981 . 471 00:21:22,981 --> 00:21:28,520 I think the second part 472 00:21:28,567 --> 00:21:30,035 helps clarify the meaning of "continues to be maintained 473 00:21:30,035 --> 00:21:31,183 ." yes 474 00:21:31,183 --> 00:21:38,060 . So, I think it would be good to modify the purpose sentence and 475 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:39,704 add additional expressions to increase clarity 476 00:21:39,704 --> 00:21:45,618 . 477 00:21:45,618 --> 00:21:47,459 However, if the others are okay with it 478 00:21:47,459 --> 00:21:49,003 , it is fine as it is 479 00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:51,754 . 480 00:21:51,754 --> 00:21:53,670 I had two thoughts. 481 00:21:53,670 --> 00:21:55,347 One point is that the purpose is simply to explain the purpose 482 00:21:55,347 --> 00:21:56,815 , and that it is 483 00:21:56,815 --> 00:21:58,366 not the decisive one 484 00:21:58,366 --> 00:21:59,853 . The second is that I would like to add the phrase "that which may continue to be maintained on 485 00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:02,387 the condition that the limitations of this clause are complied with 486 00:22:03,587 --> 00:22:05,180 ." These 487 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:07,109 are the limitations of Article 3 of this Agreement. 488 00:22:07,109 --> 00:22:08,629 So, you are referring to Article C of this Agreement 489 00:22:08,629 --> 00:22:10,149 or a similar clause 490 00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:11,594 . Then, please 491 00:22:11,594 --> 00:22:14,044 read Article C, and you will see that the 492 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,214 relevant provisions apply to projects considered as remodeling 493 00:22:16,249 --> 00:22:18,630 . But, I'm not sure 494 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:19,548 . 495 00:22:19,548 --> 00:22:21,336 I don't think there will be any problems. In my 496 00:22:21,336 --> 00:22:23,866 opinion, it is fine. 497 00:22:23,866 --> 00:22:25,677 This version you sent on Saturday does 498 00:22:25,677 --> 00:22:27,752 n't have Group C, right? 499 00:22:27,752 --> 00:22:29,213 That is what I saw. yes that's 500 00:22:29,213 --> 00:22:30,719 right. 501 00:22:30,719 --> 00:22:33,923 Group D, just as I thought. all right. 502 00:22:33,923 --> 00:22:35,581 But since it's set to ABD, 503 00:22:35,581 --> 00:22:37,191 now... yes, now... ah, I 504 00:22:37,191 --> 00:22:39,760 understand what you mean. 505 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,013 I mean, in Group D. Yes, I understand 506 00:22:42,013 --> 00:22:46,860 . 507 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:55,822 All right. 508 00:22:55,822 --> 00:22:57,573 I think it will be fine. 509 00:22:57,573 --> 00:23:00,823 Chris, is there anyone else? 510 00:23:01,301 --> 00:23:04,759 Are we all ready? Yes, 511 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:07,741 please start. great. I 512 00:23:07,741 --> 00:23:09,543 think there is still time to discuss and 513 00:23:09,543 --> 00:23:11,498 make changes, but if there are any changes 514 00:23:11,498 --> 00:23:13,052 ... yes. 515 00:23:13,052 --> 00:23:14,441 Then please let me know the changes 516 00:23:14,441 --> 00:23:16,323 . When is the next meeting? 517 00:23:16,323 --> 00:23:18,386 7 days from now? How about 7 days 518 00:23:18,386 --> 00:23:20,238 ? Well, the next meeting is in two weeks 519 00:23:20,238 --> 00:23:23,445 . great. We 520 00:23:23,491 --> 00:23:25,980 would appreciate it if you could submit your feedback within 7 days. I 521 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:29,303 agree. Then, if 522 00:23:29,303 --> 00:23:31,036 you submit your feedback within 7 days, I will 523 00:23:31,036 --> 00:23:32,676 review it promptly and send you the 524 00:23:32,676 --> 00:23:34,222 final version 5 days before the next meeting 525 00:23:34,222 --> 00:23:36,725 . 526 00:23:36,725 --> 00:23:38,085 Then you will be able to secure enough 527 00:23:38,085 --> 00:23:40,566 time to indicate corrections if necessary 528 00:23:40,606 --> 00:23:41,107 . 529 00:23:41,107 --> 00:23:44,654 great. Yes, the deadline for 530 00:23:44,654 --> 00:23:46,536 submitting comments on the comprehensive plan update is 531 00:23:46,536 --> 00:23:48,011 also set to 7 days 532 00:23:48,011 --> 00:23:54,349 . great. 533 00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:56,001 Then, let's 534 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,459 move on to the change of use for the community center park 535 00:23:57,459 --> 00:24:11,691 . 536 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:13,655 There is nothing specific to add, but 537 00:24:13,655 --> 00:24:15,325 the deadline for submitting the proposed text in its final form 538 00:24:15,325 --> 00:24:21,177 will remain the same. We 539 00:24:24,597 --> 00:24:28,438 have already secured the suggestions provided by Mr. Joy and the park management department, such as building line setback distances. I contacted the county and 540 00:24:30,196 --> 00:24:31,856 received council approval to integrate the relevant matters, and the process is 541 00:24:31,856 --> 00:24:36,548 very simple. 542 00:24:36,591 --> 00:24:40,389 I would appreciate it if you could submit the final version by the next meeting. Those matters will 543 00:24:40,438 --> 00:24:42,210 be integrated through the joint efforts of Chairman Schmidt and myself, and 544 00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:43,932 then preparations will be complete 545 00:24:43,932 --> 00:24:49,461 . Finally, I would like to 546 00:24:54,532 --> 00:24:56,283 say that we will provide information about the area in advance through conversations with consultants so that necessary measures can be taken. Yes, that's 547 00:24:56,283 --> 00:24:58,022 good. Then I will add it to the meeting agenda 548 00:24:58,022 --> 00:25:01,918 . 549 00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,886 I mean maps and community centers. I will inform you about these two things: 550 00:25:03,886 --> 00:25:07,030 rezoning and the community center 551 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,266 . 552 00:25:11,266 --> 00:25:14,334 Yes, that is correct. I 553 00:25:14,334 --> 00:25:19,467 will clarify this for my notes. We 554 00:25:19,516 --> 00:25:21,167 plan to finalize the details at the next meeting or within 7 days 555 00:25:21,167 --> 00:25:27,460 . Yes, that is 556 00:25:29,154 --> 00:25:33,434 because I plan to organize these changes into an ordinance together with Seth. If you do 557 00:25:33,434 --> 00:25:36,247 that, it will be perfectly included in the ordinance 558 00:25:36,291 --> 00:25:37,424 . It will be able to be 559 00:25:37,424 --> 00:25:38,946 submitted before the next meeting 560 00:25:38,946 --> 00:25:40,308 . all 561 00:25:40,308 --> 00:25:42,050 right. It's 562 00:25:42,050 --> 00:25:44,153 within 7 days, right? 563 00:25:44,153 --> 00:25:45,768 And is it correct that we have the meeting on October 19th 564 00:25:45,768 --> 00:25:49,169 ? Yes, that's 565 00:25:49,169 --> 00:25:55,066 good. Then, that part is 566 00:25:55,066 --> 00:26:00,720 fine as well. Then, let's move on to the public hearing 567 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,051 . There are 568 00:26:04,051 --> 00:26:06,185 no attendees at the public hearing. Let's move on to 569 00:26:06,185 --> 00:26:07,450 listening to citizens' opinions 570 00:26:07,450 --> 00:26:10,548 . There are 571 00:26:10,548 --> 00:26:14,869 very few citizens here. There were few 572 00:26:14,869 --> 00:26:16,439 participants via Zoom 573 00:26:16,439 --> 00:26:25,024 , so there are no opinions. 574 00:26:25,069 --> 00:26:26,971 Am I reading the meeting minutes right now? 575 00:26:26,971 --> 00:26:28,821 No, I am reading the meeting minutes 576 00:26:28,821 --> 00:26:32,676 . Please wake me up. 577 00:26:32,676 --> 00:26:34,496 Well then, let's move on to the closing agenda 578 00:26:34,496 --> 00:26:40,542 . The next meeting 579 00:26:40,593 --> 00:26:46,349 will be held two weeks later, on October 19 at 7 p.m. Please submit 580 00:26:46,349 --> 00:26:48,059 all opinions on the three agenda items to Seth within 7 days 581 00:26:48,059 --> 00:26:51,479 , that is, within one week from today 582 00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:56,138 . Speak your opinion 583 00:26:56,138 --> 00:26:57,492 or remain silent forever 584 00:26:57,492 --> 00:26:58,401 . 585 00:26:58,401 --> 00:27:01,963 Yes, that is correct. 586 00:27:01,963 --> 00:27:04,635 It's a common occurrence here. Well then, I will wrap up here 587 00:27:04,635 --> 00:27:09,199 . I propose a motion to end the meeting at 7:29 588 00:27:09,251 --> 00:27:11,710 . I agree. 589 00:27:11,710 --> 00:27:15,710 Thank you, Matt. 590 00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:17,700 Mike Collins? yes 591 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:18,756 . 592 00:27:18,756 --> 00:27:19,957 Diana Holt? yes 593 00:27:19,957 --> 00:27:20,407 . 594 00:27:20,407 --> 00:27:21,701 Matt Kass Trend? yes 595 00:27:21,701 --> 00:27:22,154 . 596 00:27:22,154 --> 00:27:23,498 Mr. Seth McCormick? yes 597 00:27:23,498 --> 00:27:23,940 . Ms. 598 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:25,502 Anita Remy Zis? yes 599 00:27:25,502 --> 00:27:26,484 . 600 00:27:26,484 --> 00:27:28,286 Mr. Tomboy Ditch? yes 601 00:27:28,286 --> 00:27:28,970 . We will 602 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:30,901 now conclude the meeting. 603 00:27:30,901 --> 00:27:33,058 Thank you all.