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Just come up and state your name and
address, please, sir.

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» Blaine Sutton, 130 Dearman. Thought my
neighbor was going to be here. She's

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next door to the property, but I helped
her with this property. Uh the property

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was overgrown and the rear door has been
open for the last six months. I just

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wanted to make sure that uh that the
house was walked around to make sure

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that the door was open, closed. I
haven't been by it lately. So, I just

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want to make sure it's more than just
the tree. I mean, the grass that's being

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looked at that it has been walked
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» I didn't see the back door on there.
>> All right.

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Anyone else? For or against?
Can I get a motion to close the public

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hearing?
>> Some move.

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» Second.
>> Second. Pleasure of the board.

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» Motion to adjudicate.
Motion [snorts] to adjudicate.

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» So moved.
>> Got a second.

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» Discussion.
>> Discussion.

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» Just uh in the motion, just to make it
clear, the grass is cut, but uh we need

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to make sure that the building is
secured.

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» It's in the motion. All in favor?
>> I.

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» All oppose? Motion carries.
Next, uh I want to open a public hearing

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on Ocott Station Cove Lot 22. Can I get
a motion? Motion

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» second. Second. Can you read the notice,
please, Emma?

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» We've got copies.
>> Notice of hearing was posted on subject

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property Scott Station Cove Lodge 22,
Long Beach, Mississippi on July 27th,

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2026 by zoning enforcement officer Dale
Stoner and sent via certified mail to

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James and Anthony Holston
at 1 19765 Westworm Road, Social,

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Mississippi 39574.
notice was returned to sender on August

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11th, 2026.
>> Is there anyone in the audience that's

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for or against Scott Station Cove?
>> Anyone for? Anyone against? [snorts]

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[clears throat]
>> Can I give a motion to close the public

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hearing?
>> So move.

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» Second.
>> Motion to second. Any discussion? All in

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favor?
>> I.

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» Pleasure of the board.
>> Motion to adjudicate.

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» Second.
>> A motion. Second to adjudicate with

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discussion.
>> Mike, have you looked at these pictures?

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» I did not. Dale said it looked like
somebody was out there cutting it.

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» That's what I was looking at. But it's
it's super zoomed in. That's why I just

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want to make sure that what we're
looking at there.

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» That's what they were working on, but
like they only done the front half at

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this point.
>> I think as long as we adjudicate that

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gives us the
>> opportunity to go back in without going

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through the process.
>> I just wanted to make sure we were being

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specific.
>> All right, we got a motion. Had some

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discussion. All in favor?
>> I.

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» All oppose? Motion carries.
Next one is uh we can I get a motion to

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open the public hearing concerning 219
Clower Avenue?

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Second. Emma.
>> Notice of hearing was posted on subject

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property 219 Clower Avenue, Long Beach,
Mississippi on July 31st, 2026 by zoning

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enforcement officer Dale Stoner and sent
via certified mail to Ruth Williams um

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18 219 Clower Avenue, Long Beach,
Mississippi 39560. Notice had not been

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delivered as of August 14th.
Is there anyone [clears throat] here to

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talk for or against 219 Clower Avenue?
Anybody for or against? Nobody showing.

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Can I get a motion to close? Got a
second. All in favor?

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» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carries. Pleasure of

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the board.
>> Mr. Mayor, I think uh looking at the

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pictures, I believe that this is in
compliance. It looks like the grass has

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been cut.
>> Okay.

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So, it looks like uh the issue has been
taken care of. Uh, do we

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» unless somebody else sees something that
I'm not looking at.

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» My only thing is with these properties,
I think we need to and that one's fine,

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but the intention is not to
have someone come cut them and take care

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of them every time we have to go through
this process. It's

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» totally agree, but can we legally do
that?

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» No.
>> No.

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» No. I'm I'm just if they're in [snorts]
>> understand and and it's an exercise that

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we end up doing every 90 days and and
the neighbors around it get for a lack

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of better words pissed. I mean because
what's the city doing other than we're

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sending a letter we're spending money
taxpayer money to tell you to cut your

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grass, clean up your house. I mean, it
it it it's very frustrating, not only

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for the the neighbors, but for us to
continually get the calls as a board

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member saying, you know, sign this form
and we'll take care of it. And all they

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do is run out there and cut the grass.
So, uh, I'm just voicing a little

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concern.
>> That's fine. It looks like we don't need

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a motion on that one. That one's kind of
taking care of itself.

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» Uh, I think we I think we still need,
uh, a vote on it being in compliance.

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» All right. So let's take a motion to
Donald saying it's in compliance.

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» Second.
>> Second. Any other discussion?

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» All in favor?
>> All opposed? Motion carries. Next one.

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Can open the uh open the public hearing
concerning 911 Beatress Drive.

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» Motion. Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> All opposed. All right. Emma. Notice

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appearing was posted on subject property
911 Beatress Drive, Long Beach,

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Mississippi on July 30th, 2026 by zoning
enforcement officer Dale Stoner and sent

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via certified mail to Gerald O. Fenel,
506 West Old Pass Road, Long Beach,

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Mississippi 39560. Notice was delivered
on July 30th, 2026.

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» All right. Is there anyone here in favor
to talk for or against 911 Beaches

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Drive? Anybody for or against? Nobody
coming up. Can I get a motion to close

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the public
>> motion? Second.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> All opposed.

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» Motion to adjudicate.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Motion to adjudicate. [snorts]

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Got a second. Who was that? Pete.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Uh any discussion?
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> All oppose? Motion carries. Can uh next

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one, we're going to open up the public
hearing for 601 and 603 East Fifth

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Street. Can I have a motion?
>> Motion. Got a motion.

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» Second.
>> Got a second. Emma, could you?

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Notice of hearing was posted on subject
property 601 and603

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East Fifth Street, Long Beach,
Mississippi on July 31st, 2026 by zoning

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enforcement officer Dale Stoner and sent
via certified mail to the Welch family

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LTD partnership number 9 at 910
M Street, Northwest Suite 1130,

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Washington DC 20001.
Notice was delivered on August 14th and

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a call was made to the building office
on August 17th, 2026.

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» Thank you, Emma. Anybody here to talk
for or against 601603

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East
Street? Anybody for anybody against?

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Can I get a motion to close the public
hearing?

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» Motion.
>> Motion. Second. [clears throat]

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» All in favor?
>> I.

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» All opposed.
>> All right. What's the motion? The

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» motion to adjudicate. uh did speak to
the property owner. They're going to

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they have somebody lined up to cut it.
Um it just as of this meeting, it's not

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cut. So, it is not in compliance. So,
that's why I make the motion that uh we

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go ahead and adjudicate.
>> Got a motion to adjudicate. We got a

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second. All any All in favor?
>> I.

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» All opposed? Motion carries. Next one,
we've got amendments to the municipal

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docket. There's two things that I'd like
to move up and bring into executive

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session.

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Trying to see what the number of that
one is.

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[cough and clears throat]

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What's that number, Emma? That
>> number two under new business.

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» Huh?
>> Number two under new business

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resolution.
>> Okay. So want to go into executive

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session to discuss number two on the new
business. Can I get a motion?

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» Motion to move.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> All in [snorts] favor?

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» I.
>> All right. Now, can I get a motion to go

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into executive session?
>> Motion we go into executive session.

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» Second.
>> All in favor? All

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» oppose? Motion carries. All right.
[cough]

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out of executive session with no action
taken. Second.

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» Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I.
>> All oppose.

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» Can we have a motion to adopt the
resolution?

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» So move.
>> Got motion to adopt the resolution.

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» Second.
>> Got a second. Any discussion?

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» Uh just to be more definitive, the
resolution adopting services and

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facilities plan for the annexation. Yep.
[snorts]

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[clears throat]
>> Roll call. I

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» two I.
>> Thre's I.

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» At large is I.
>> Four's eye.

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» Five's I.
>> Six is I.

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» All right. Everybody voted I. Motion
carries.

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All right.

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Now, can I have um a motion to approve
the municipal docket?

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» Motion.
>> Motion.

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» Second. Second. All in favor?
>> I.

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» All opposed.
>> Motion carries. Now we've got public

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comments.

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» Looks like two of them is 18 and one of
them's on nine.

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Which one are hidden?

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I guess that's the cameras and 18 is uh
streaming. Okay.

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All right, then we'll we'll take these
up when we get to those items.

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So, we got Sammy, Joseph, and Ray.
Two of them are on item 18,

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and the other one is on item nine. We'll
take those up and let y'all speak when

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we get to those items.
Right. Uh announcements uh proclam

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announcementsman's presentations and
proclamations recognition.

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Emma
the mayor and board of alderman wish to

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recognize and congratulate Alexander
Mink on being named the college sports

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communicative athletic all-American team
men's college division while attending

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Mississippi GF Coast Community College
in Perkinston. Alex is one of the third

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GF Coast players to earn the
All-American honors twice at MGCCCC

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Parkston, exemplifying excellence in
both athletics and academic findings

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with a perfect 4.0 GPA in athletic
training.

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Alexander was a two-time all-American
leading the Bulldog soccer team with 16

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goals,
fourth most at MGCCC. His dedication,

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leadership, perseverance, and commitment
to the highest standards of academic and

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athletic success have brought honor to
MGCCC, his family, and the city of Long

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Beach. And he serves as an inspiration.
We sincerely thank you for your

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exceptional accomplishments and wish you
good luck with your college playing

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career at NCAA Division 1, University of
Texas, Rio Grand Valley.

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» Have someone here,
>> Mr. mayor. Uh his younger brother,

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Christian Mink, is here. Uh he's off at
college already, but uh his proud

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younger brother is here to accept it for
him. So

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here [applause]

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[applause]

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it makes me feel proud when we have
somebody from Long Beach that makes this

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kind of recognition. If we had one, I'd
be proud, but tonight we got two.

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» Wow.
>> That's good. There you go. Go ahead for

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the next one. The mayor and board of
alderman wish to recognize and

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congratulate Nick Delaney on being named
to the college sports communicators

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athletic all-American team men's college
division while attending Mississippi GF

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Coast Community College Parkinston and
exemplifies excellent in both athletics

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and academic findings for a perfect 4.0
GPA while studying premed.

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A co- captain on the tennis team, Nick
helped lead the Bulldogs to the NJCCA

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region 23 championship and a third place
finish in the NJCAA

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championship. The school's best ever.
Nick went 24 in singles, including an

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8-1 mark in the MACCCC regular season
play. at the NJCAA Division 2 men's

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tennis championship. He advanced to the
number five singles semi-finalist.

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Nick's dedication, leadership,
perseverance, and commitment to the

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highest standard of academic and
athletic success has brought honor to

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MGCC, his family, and the city of Long
Beach. [snorts] And he serves as an

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inspiration. We sincerely thank you for
your ex exceptional accomplishments and

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wish you good luck pursuing a career in
medicine at the University of

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Mississippi.
>> Come on up, D.

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» [applause]

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[applause]

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» Nothing better than a very smart
>> mom and dad are here.

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» Mom and dad need to get a little bit of
in there.

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» Mom and dad. So, you know, not only do
we have a great Long Beach student, but

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he's also a great Old Miss
uh uh student. So, very good.

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[applause]

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Good job, Sandy.

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» Yeah, look at that.
>> Every day. [laughter]

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Okay. Next item. Approve the minutes
mayor and board of alderman of August

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4th regular meeting. Can I get a motion?
>> Motion.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Second. Any discussion?
>> All in favor?

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» I'm sorry. Discussion. Um I'd like to
look at um

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the uh part page 422 of the board of
alderman minutes. And I'd like to get

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some clarification or get some u maybe
some itemization of what was sp stated.

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Uh I formed a ward 3 streetlight re
review task force and in the minutes it

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just says that there was um a mention of
a discussion of it. No action was taken.

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I just wanted to make sure the minutes
reflect what I said the reason the

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mission statement the individuals that
were assigned that I have volunteered to

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uh be a part of this task force. I even
had one of the members of the task force

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come forth and and um and describe his
background and so forth. I think it's

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important that the minutes we speak
through our minutes and I think it's

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important and incumbent upon us to have
correct accurate minutes and I would

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like the minutes to please delineate
exactly what was said, what was brought

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up and for the record.

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» All right. Uh, any other discussion?
>> Is that in the form of motion?

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» That's in the form of a motion.
So, we got a motion on the floor to

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change the minutes of October
>> to correct the minutes

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» to correct the minutes of August 4th. We
got a motion. Do I have a second?

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» Second with discussion.
>> Second with discussion.

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» Not to make it a big deal, but the fact
that we took no action is where I'm

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going. Uh,
how do we how do we

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form? I mean, I understand what you're
saying. I'm just looking at it legally.

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We we didn't vote, but
but we're going to put that in the

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minutes.
Does that what I'm asking?

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» Makes total sense to me. If I have a a
committee or a task force, I think it's

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important that the public understand
that there is one that was formed, why

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it was formed, what its mission is,
who's on it, and what are they tasked to

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do. And I think that's the reason why I
wanted it entered into the minutes that

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the public, you know, because of
transparency. The public can see that

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and that's the only reason.
>> No, no, I get I see where you're coming

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from, but the fact that we didn't vote
is why I'm questioning.

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» There was not a vote. This was
>> Jeffrey and refresh my recollection

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because I'm strictly going off my
memory. the discussion and uh regarding

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the lights and the gentleman you had
come up and give information regarding

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the lights was in furtherance of a
request by you to create a task force

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for your particular ward exclusively.
>> Exactly.

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» And as I understand the remaining
members of the board had no objection to

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that but required no action by them but
but authorizes you in your ward to

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create a committee to give whatever
advice you they see fit. I'm just using

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the minutes. Exactly. And I'm just using
the minutes as a vehicle to communicate

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to the public of what was
>> So the minutes I think could properly

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reflect and be corrected to show that
alderman Jeff Jaffria advised the other

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members of the board that he desired to
establish an advisory committee for that

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purpose within his ward to which no
other member had an objection. Is that

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fair?
>> It's that's exactly right. I'm within my

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purview to do that without board
approval.

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» Exactly.
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. You got

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that, Emma?
>> Yes, sir.

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» I just didn't.
>> All in favor?

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» All oppose? Motion carry. Next one is
August 6 and the 10th uh special

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meeting. Can I get a motion?
>> So moved.

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» Second.
>> Any discussion?

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» All in favor?
>> I.

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» All opposed? Motion carries. Next one is
August 10th work session. Can I get a

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motion?
>> Motion.

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» Second. Second. Any discussion? All in
favor?

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» I.
>> I.

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» All oppose. Motion carries. Next one is
the approval of the planning commission

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meeting minutes of August 13th.
>> Motion.

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» Got a motion.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Discussion.

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» Any discussion?
>> I would like to pull out the number two

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Harbor Watch tree approval and discuss
it separate from the remainder of the

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planning minutes.
>> All right, we got number two coming out.

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Is there any other?
>> Yes, sir. I'd like to uh pull the uh

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short-term rental um number three on new
business.

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» Three. Any others?
>> All right. What we'll do is we'll take

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» separate.
>> Yeah. I'm going the minutes minus those

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two.
>> Well, three. Uh hold on.

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» Whole thing.
>> So, we got two and three now.

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» Uh West Beach Boulevard.
>> That's That's the one I pulled. That's

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the Harbor Watch. Yeah.
>> All right. Can I get a motion to approve

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the planning commission meetings
excluding item number two and three?

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» Motion.
>> Got a motion.

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» Second.
>> Second. Any other discussion? All in

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favor?
>> I.

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» All oppose. Motion carries. Uh it's
going to be the pleasure of the board.

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If you want discussion on number two.
>> Yeah. Can do we

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» make a motion?
>> Motion to discuss.

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» Second with discussion.
>> A motion to second discuss item number

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two. So [clears throat]
this harbor watch uh it was approved for

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them to take out 15 or I don't know it's
kind of if the drawings and then the

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numbers seem to kind of contradict
themselves. So between 13 and 15

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protected trees. Um,
basically

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it was a green light to clearcut the
entire property that is on Highway 90

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and uh, White Harbor Road. Um,
I just think that is counter to what we

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have been doing. Um, so I am going to
barring any further discussion uh, make

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a motion to deny the tree removal uh,
the plat with the tree removal.

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» All right. So is any other discussion
before we take his motion? Correct.

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» All right. We got a motion on the table
to deny number two.

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» We ready?
>> Yeah, I'm ready.

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» We got a motion on the table to deny
number two. Discussion.

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» We have a second.
>> Need a second.

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» You have a second.
>> Second. Discussion.

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» Mr. Mayor, I want to also kind of
dovetail off of what um Alderman Bennett

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said here. I was reading the minutes for
this particular uh issue and the way the

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minutes read again we speak through our
minutes and I was not there at the

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planning commission meeting. The
planning commission meetings are not

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livereamed.
So uh no one has no unless you were

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there you don't know what transpired.
So, I have to read the minutes. And the

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minutes I read in here, and it says uh
basically that after considerable

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discussion and upon recommendation made
by the city of Long Beach tree board,

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well, I read the tree board's report and
they are denying to have these trees

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cut, but you know, and and it comes
across that it's contrary to what

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they're saying in the minutes. It
doesn't make any sense to me. So, I'm

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just to just to to let everyone know, I
have a later agenda item on here where

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I'm going to propose uh to have the
planning commission me uh meetings live

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stream. So, this there'll be no
confusion with this, but the minutes the

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way they read don't make sense to me. It
doesn't doesn't sound like it's exactly

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what transpired, but I don't know. I
wasn't there. we have we you know but

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but to go along with what you're saying
I'm I'm in total agreement with you

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Patrick on this on this motion but I
just wanted to put that caveat in there

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that um the minutes need to reflect
exactly what business was transpired.

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» Okay. Okay.
>> And I'll add that no nothing against the

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development. We're grateful that
somebody is coming to develop and build

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homes. Uh but they need to do it around
the protected trees. All right. So we

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got a motion to deny number two. All in
favor?

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» I.
>> All opposed. Motion carries.

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» I need
>> one. We already approved

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» 113. Oh yeah. Well, never mind.
>> Yep. We already voted.

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» I go ahead.
>> We got discussion on number three. We

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can come back on that and look at it.
>> You can come back.

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» We're on item number three. Who's got
>> who

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» motion?
>> Motion to discuss. Item number three. We

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got a motion.
>> That's a 412 41.

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» This is a [clears throat] short-term
rental.

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» No, the 42. Yeah. Okay.
>> Discussion. Correct.

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» Discussion.
>> Mr. Mayor, again, um I read the minutes

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and I'm reading the minutes that uh it
states in here that um the commissioners

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voted and with Commissioner Bass whom is
the the commissioner Bass is in the

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audience tonight. He's my appointment
from W three. It states that he

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abstained. I I assume that is a recusal.
I I don't know. I wasn't there, but it's

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my understanding that um that is not
correct. And Mr. and and if if you'll

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come up if we can ask him to come up and
maybe tell us what happened and what

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your position was on this and vote.
>> There was a bit of discussion on whether

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I my name is Ray Boss. Um planning
commission ward three. Um, there was

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some discussion on whether or not I
should abstain because I had a personal

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interest in it. That was not the case. I
had three people that were in the

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neighborhood that told me they didn't
want this to be a short-term rental. The

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big thing they were talking about was
there's something in the rental uh

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application about having pets that the
yard's not fenced. Um, not only that,

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afterwards I found out this house has
been listed on Airbnb prior to approval

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of a short-term rental. And I don't know
if they've rented it out or not, but it

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just it didn't sit right with me. And
there was a little bit of contention on

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whether or not I should say anything.
And in the in the discussion, I guess

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they misunderstood saying I was
abstaining. I was voting no to that. So

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I and it was a 61 vote. I don't even
know that it'll even affect it, but I

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just want to be on record of what I
voted.

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» Thank Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think and
that's important because a lot of times

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we have dissenting votes and there's a
reason for it and and quite frankly I'm

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more interested in those people than I
am the majority sometimes. So thank you

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for stepping forward stepping up here. I
would like to move that we send this

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back to the planning commission and let
them revisit this and then bring it back

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to us when not only the minutes are
correct or have been corrected to

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exactly what transpired but uh that they
have another opportunity to revisit this

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and bring it back to the board. So, I'm
going to move that we table this or send

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it back to the planning commission.
>> Well, let me let me just put this is

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they haven't approved their minutes yet.
So to send it back, these minutes aren't

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even approved yet.
>> So

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» who who approves these minutes? Us or
them?

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» Them.
>> Okay. Well, then they send it back to

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get the minutes approved.
>> Well, they at their next meeting, they

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will be approving it. So So whether we
send it back or not, the correction can

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be made at their next meeting when they
when they're pulling up their previous

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minutes. So, so that just for
clarification, they still have the uh

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the option of fixing these minutes.
>> I think it's important that it's caught

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here because if we approve it, then it
becomes record.

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» So, it does need to be sent back to them
to correct.

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» I think they would just need to correct
have an accurate correction in their

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minutes, which would change the vote.
>> Okay, I'm with I'm fine with that.

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» All right. So, the pleasure of the
board. Uh,

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» I'll make the motion to approve
>> table number.

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» What are we going to do with number
three at this time? It's got to go back

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to the planning commission for a one
change.

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» Well, I think there minutes.
>> Is it a correction?

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» Because it's not going to change the
results. Correct.

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» Exactly. So, my is the motion to approve
the short-term rental

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» and I'll second that motion.
[clears throat]

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» Any other discussion? All in favor?
>> All oppose? Motion carries. I approve

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Dr. Claims number 081826.
Can I get a motion?

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Any discussion? All in favor?

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» I.
>> All opposed.

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» Going into unfinished business. Special
event application request to use city

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stage and generator. Use a city
barricades and permission to sell

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alcohol at town green truck in the
south. Anne Smith. Is an here?

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» Mr. Mayor. Uh,
we tabled it last time because Miss

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Smith was not here,
>> right?

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» Um, I would recommend we table it one
more time.

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» All right.
>> Second.

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» Ann Smith is not here.
>> Anyone else on behalf of the event here?

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» Uh,
>> is anyone else on behalf of the event

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here?
>> Nobody put on a Nobody signed.

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» All right. So, uh, with that being said,
we're going to table number one and just

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move to the next meeting.
>> Now, we're going to go to new business.

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» Mayor, I just have a question. If you
let me interrupt for just a minute. Has

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anybody notified her that we expect her
to be here by chance?

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» I did. I actually talked about then she
should have been here

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» cuz I actually saw advertisement on
Facebook last week of the event.

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» Yeah. Maybe maybe she had an emergency
or something.

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» Can we get a motion to table that?
>> Motion.

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» We did.
>> Yeah.

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» There was a second.
>> I was unanimously carried. All right.

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We're moving on to new business. moving
500,000 awarded to by the Mississippi

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Department of Marine Resources from Long
Beach Northwestern Bulkhead project to

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the Gateway Phase 3 Pavilion project.
Can I get a motion?

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» Second.
>> Second.

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» Second. Any discussion?
>> All in favor?

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» All oppose? Motion carries.
>> Next one is here's we did the

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resolution, so that one's already done.
Next one is special event application

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for the Long Beach Jubilee.
>> Motion.

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» Motion. Got a second. Any discussion.
All in favor?

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» All oppose. Motion carries. Special
event application and fee wave. Motion

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second. Any discussion?
>> All in favor?

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» All oppose? Motion carries.
>> Next one is special event application

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for fee waiver for yoga in the park.
>> Motion.

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» Got a motion.
>> I can't make that. I can't second it

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because I can't touch my toes. So,
[laughter]

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» second.
>> I think that's a second.

427
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,440
» Okay.
>> Any discussion?

428
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,520
» All in favor?
>> I.

429
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:29,119
» All oppose. Motion carries. The next one
is use use of harbor and operations of

430
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,000
food and beverage concessions for cruise
in the coast. Rotary Club of Auxy. Can I

431
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,040
get a motion?
>> Motion.

432
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,599
» Second.
>> Second. Is anybody here from the Rotary

433
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,720
Rotary Club? I think there is someone
there.

434
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,599
» Nobody says
>> not from Blux.

435
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,880
» From Blux. All right. Okay. And I what
I'd like to we we kind of had this

436
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,920
discussion when
>> I'm gonna

437
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,440
» when Woody Bailey was here. Uh next year
I want to move towards the Long Beach

438
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:58,560
Rotary Club having a bigger part in this
and running that even if it's in uh in

439
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,560
with Beluxy. I want them to be able to
to do it.

440
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:07,040
» All right. All in favor?
>> Just discussion real quick with that.

441
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:11,040
Uh, can I recommend that we send a
letter to Woody

442
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,480
» stating that just just to memorialize
it?

443
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,720
» Yeah,
>> we were going to try to get it done this

444
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,839
time in the game.
>> Yeah, we met with him and all, but but

445
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:26,480
if we send it
>> now or right after the event, they have

446
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,560
it on their books for a year that it's
requested from the city. Yep.

447
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:35,119
» And then let the organizations work it
out. But the city is strongly pushing

448
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,440
our local organizations.
>> Will you add that to the motion?

449
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,440
» That is correct.
>> Also, before you add that before you add

450
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:46,000
that as an alternative motion, I don't
see any harm in also sending a a carbon

451
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:50,480
copy to Keith Clayton, the executive
secretary of the Rotary Club of Beluxy.

452
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,520
So, he's aware of it too that we want to
work in conjunction.

453
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,680
» Not that we have a problem with them,
but we would like to see our local guys.

454
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,599
» All right. Anything else you want to
add? [laughter]

455
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:01,200
» The laundry list.
>> All right. We we'll we'll draft that

456
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,920
later.
>> That's my that's my motion.

457
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,680
» All right. All in favor?
>> I

458
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:12,240
» All oppose. Motion carries. Next one is
uh sponsor the junior auxiliary of

459
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:13,280
Guffport Charity Ball. Can I get a
motion?

460
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,720
» Motion.
>> Second.

461
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:20,040
» Second. Any discussion?
>> Any discussion?

462
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,400
» Oh, she's here. Great.
>> Please, please state your name and

463
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,960
address, please.
>> Hi. Uh my name is Allison Curley. I live

464
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:36,319
my address my home address. Okay. 2027
Pelican Circle.

465
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:39,920
» Um I'm here to represent Long Beach.
Yes. Long Beach.

466
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:45,760
» I'm representing Junior Auxiliary of
Gulfport along with a few members of our

467
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,319
executive board. The Gulfport chapter of
JA is a nonprofit that serves children

468
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:56,800
in Pas Christian, Long Beach, and
Golfport. Last year we served more than

469
00:48:52,880 --> 00:49:02,000
57,000 children through more than 7,700
hours served. um for children in our

470
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:06,079
community through 12 ongoing service
projects. As a teacher here in Long

471
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:10,960
Beach School District, I'm able to see
the impact that these projects make on

472
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:14,400
our students on a daily basis. Just a
few weeks ago, we finished our fill the

473
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,880
bus campaign where we collected and
distributed school supplies to students

474
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,640
in need in our communities. We hosted a
back- tochool bash where students were

475
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:27,920
able to come and shop our clothing
closets, get free haircuts, and collect

476
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:31,599
backpacks filled with school supplies.
And then we held a second fill the buzz

477
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:36,400
event here in Long Beach at our town
green where we handed out an additional

478
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:40,960
260 backpacks.
One of our most impactful ongoing

479
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:45,839
projects is called Project Now. This
project fills requests from school

480
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:51,440
counselors within 24 hours to provide
new clothes, shoes, other basic needs,

481
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:56,640
as well as filling emergency vision and
dental requests. Just last week, we

482
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,359
provided 25 pairs of shorts to students
at Reeves Elementary through this

483
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:06,000
project. We also provide hygiene kits to
all the schools in our service area,

484
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:09,760
sponsor a backpack blessings program
that sends non-p perishable food items

485
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:14,559
home with children in need over the
weekends. We write pen pel letters back

486
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,119
and forth with students at Harper McConn
to help nurture their writing skills and

487
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:24,079
give away tens of thousands of dollars
in college scholarships annually through

488
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:28,880
our collegebound project. Last year,
Operation Christmas Cheer provided

489
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:33,680
Christmas presents for 33 children at
Corals Elementary and we hosted a

490
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:37,119
Christmas party at the Gulfport Aquarium
that included free admission for the

491
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:41,839
children and their families after the
event. Um, I don't want to take too much

492
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:45,359
more of your time tonight, but I could
go on for much longer talking about all

493
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:50,240
the different projects and the impact
that they have on our kids here in Long

494
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,880
Beach. And all of these projects are
funded solely through our annual charity

495
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:58,880
ball. This event is our main fundraiser
and without the support of our patrons,

496
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:05,280
many of these projects would not be
possible. Um, I printed some of these

497
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:09,280
for you guys, the patron um, packets. uh
that gives a lot more details about the

498
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:13,200
specifics and details of all the
different projects um as well as

499
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,400
different levels of financial support
that patrons can provide. So, we hope

500
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:22,720
that if the budget allows that the city
of Long Beach will consider partnering

501
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:27,040
with us and becoming a patron for Junior
Auxiliary of Golfport this year. And I

502
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,440
have these if you guys
>> We have those included in our packet.

503
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,880
Thank you.
>> Okay.

504
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:35,680
» Appreciate it,
>> Mr. Mayor. Uh just we have a motion

505
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:41,040
already in a second. I just want to add
some discussion that Allison didn't

506
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:47,280
mention and I want to remind the board
and everybody here that the junior

507
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:55,440
auxiliary were the main sponsor. They
donated $25,000 to the city for the

508
00:51:51,119 --> 00:52:02,640
wheelway uh which was the first uh
handicap wheelway on the coast. So they

509
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:08,480
they've been a big uh part of Long Beach
for several years now. So [snorts]

510
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:10,720
» all right, we see we got some nice lady
here want

511
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,640
» Hi, my name is Karen Brogden. I'm
president for Junior Auxiliary of Gport.

512
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:18,880
My address is 1459 Taliho Circle in
Gulfport. Um I just wanted to say

513
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:23,280
because a few of the ladies here present
are that are here today were not around

514
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:28,000
when we had that project uh going. It's
one of our legacy projects and uh we

515
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:30,160
intend to actually work on revamping or
doing something like that in the near

516
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,520
future. We still have the supplies for
it. I just wanted to let you know, yes,

517
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:37,359
that's one of um that that's one of the
many ways we intend to use the money to

518
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:42,640
get involved in the city and to reinvest
>> and it's a great project that and we

519
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:47,520
still have most of the quote unquote
infrastructure for it, right? You know,

520
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,000
that will go back up once the gateway is
uh finished.

521
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,440
» Okay. Thank you. We appreciate your
time.

522
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,760
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Pleasure of the board.

523
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,040
» We have a motion on the table.
>> What's the What's the amount that didn't

524
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:04,160
include
>> Patrick? You have the motion. Did you

525
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:08,160
have an amount on your motion?
>> Didn't.

526
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:11,906
» What What are you recommending?
>> Put me on the spot. [laughter]

527
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:25,119
» Any input?
I can't. I've lost it.

528
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,640
What's your package?
>> What's the different? You got your hand

529
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:33,160
out.
>> I don't have it on me. Alison, what's

530
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:33,160
the difference? Packages the levels.

531
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,160
» I'll make the motion. Say go ahead.
>> 1,000.

532
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,760
» No.
>> 25.

533
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:56,480
» 2500.
>> The genie. The genie circle is 2500.

534
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,640
» And I'll say just to say I probably I
work at the school. I don't know that

535
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,319
we've ever called said, "Hey, this kid
needs something that they didn't do." I

536
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:07,280
mean, it's pretty much every time. So,
>> yeah. Is that your motion?

537
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:13,119
» 25. Second.
>> Motion second. I will say that uh and

538
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:19,680
this is a very from city of Long Beach.
This is a very big donation because we

539
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:22,640
are very very tight with funs. But
you've got such a good program and it

540
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,040
does so many good things that
>> we've seen what they've done in Long

541
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,720
Beach over the years.
>> We appreciate what y'all do. So, we got

542
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:32,000
a motion for 2500. All in favor?
>> I.

543
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:37,359
» All opposed? Motion carries.
>> Next one is discussion of the emergency

544
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:41,359
repair contract.
>> Yes. Um just to bring all up to date,

545
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,400
this contract [clears throat] is going
to expire in a few months. So, I

546
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,440
actually met with David before the
meeting and he's going to be working on

547
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:53,599
a new um contract to bring to us
hopefully next month or so to to

548
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,400
entertain.
>> Okay.

549
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:01,359
» Yeah. So, this this justformational.
>> Thank you.

550
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:05,280
» Well, do we need a vote to direct David
or did we already do that?

551
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,240
» We had it's been
>> we did it already. That's okay. Just

552
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,920
making sure.
>> I didn't know if we needed a new one.

553
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,680
» All right. Next item. uh installation of
ALPR

554
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:20,079
cameras. Jonathan, are you here?
Jonathan,

555
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:23,920
please state your name and address. And
I think we have Joseph here as well

556
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:28,480
that's going to also speak. So, Joseph,
you you can talk next.

557
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:32,319
» Good evening. I'm Jonathan O. I live at
2168 Pineville Road here in Long Beach,

558
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:36,480
Mississippi. And I have lived there for
16 years. I retired out of the military

559
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,920
and my family and I decided to stay in
Long Beach. So, I want to take a couple

560
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,640
of minutes tonight talk about the
commercial or the communication

561
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:48,720
surrounding the ALPR cameras. They're I
first first learned about these cameras

562
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:52,319
when one is one. Sorry, I've never
spoken one of these.

563
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,520
» No problem. Take a deep breath. It'll be
fine.

564
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,119
» I first learned about these cameras when
one was when one was installed at the

565
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:02,000
end of my driveway. It caught me by
surprise and honestly, I didn't know

566
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,359
anything about this program. All right.
And then when I got home that night, I

567
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:10,079
turn on the news and bam, that's all you
see. You turn on social media, that's

568
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:13,280
all you see. So, and because of where
that camera is placed, every time my

569
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:16,880
family pulls out of our driveway,
because it's smack dab right at the end

570
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:21,920
of my driveway,
that camera is going to photograph my

571
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:26,640
family on average of 2,000 times a year.
So, I have concerns with that with those

572
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:32,240
pictures and that data. So, and then I
learned that the city approved this back

573
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:36,319
in February 18th of 2025 with a grant.
If I'm not mistaken, I saw it on the

574
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:39,599
agenda or the minutes, but I don't see
anything else on that. I watched the

575
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:44,559
YouTube video of that meeting and all I
hear is the NCIC, the National Criminal

576
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:47,520
or National Crime Information Center.
That's all they discuss in that meeting

577
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:52,160
on YouTube.
So, after that, I still have a lot of

578
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:55,200
questions um
such as what information are these

579
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,200
cameras collecting on us, especially
when my family's going out our driveway.

580
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:02,720
Uh who has access to it? How long is
this information kept? and can it be

581
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:08,240
shared with the other agencies and what
safeguards are in place? I'm I was in

582
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:14,240
the military. I know how data and how uh
it can be misused. So, and

583
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,119
what does this program cost taxpayers
going forward? I get it's a grant that

584
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,960
was taxpayer money. What's it going to
go forward when no grants run out and we

585
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:24,559
have to replace these with taxpayer
money from the citizens of the city? So,

586
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,960
I'm kind of concerned about that and I
think they're reasonable questions to

587
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:33,680
have answers to. Uh,
and that's what I'm want tonight. I want

588
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,599
answers. I want the city to We have
social media and I I know the city is

589
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:41,680
very good at putting out boil water
notices, construction notices, you know,

590
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,200
road closures. I never saw anything
about these cameras and I'm pretty

591
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,760
disappointed in I come home from an
appointment one day and it's sitting

592
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,119
right there. I don't know what it is.
So, you know, I'm it's going to get my

593
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:55,280
neck here standing up a little bit. I'm
like, what is this? And I've talked to

594
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:59,440
my alderman. I'm working with him. I
have faith in him. He said it's probably

595
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:04,799
going to move down the road. But the
last part of this is, you know, I

596
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:07,680
believe open communication helps people
understand why the decisions are made.

597
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:12,240
And I know you weren't here, mayor, for
when that decision was made. You got

598
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:16,640
elected after that. But public safety is
important to me. I do believe that. And

599
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:20,559
so is transparency, privacy, and trust.
And that's what I'm getting. I want some

600
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,520
transparency on these cameras from the
city. And I I don't know if that's too

601
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:26,799
much to ask, but that's what I'm asking
of you. I would otherwise I would never

602
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,400
be here. I I [clears throat] see what
you guys do during the day and all that

603
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,960
and the decisions you make and I never
come to these because I kind of like

604
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:38,720
what's going on in my city. But that
part right there, it compelled me to

605
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:42,079
come here. So, thank you for
letting me speak here tonight. I really

606
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:45,520
do appreciate it and I hope the city
will reconsider or will consider making

607
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:49,599
this information more readily available
to residents and also consider the

608
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:55,119
impact on nearby residents when deciding
where these cameras are placed. I don't

609
00:58:52,240 --> 00:59:00,000
want to walk out down my stairs every
morning when I get up and I see a

610
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:04,000
government camera at the end of my
property. That's the first thing I see

611
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,599
and I don't think any American wants to
see that. But thank you for your time.

612
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:12,105
That's all I have. Just something to
consider.

613
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,125
» Thank you so much.
[applause]

614
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:23,520
Joseph, please state your name. And
>> Joseph Thompson, 100 South Seashore,

615
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:28,240
Long Beach. I'm also here to speak about
the cameras, but from a different

616
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:32,880
perspective.
It's not just about mass camera

617
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:38,000
surveillance. To me, this is about the
erosion of our natural and God-given

618
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:43,119
rights, constitutional rights. I don't
doubt that all of us, everyone in here

619
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:48,880
wants a safe city. We, for the most
part, have one. What I do doubt is what

620
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:54,240
was at stake was not fully considered
when we implemented this program.

621
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:58,559
It's not just about cameras. It's about
constitutional stewardship.

622
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:04,319
Our constitutional rights don't come
from the government. They they are

623
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:10,240
protected from the government. We the
people, everyone in here, everyone in

624
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:15,280
our city, all of you
are [clears throat] the natural owners

625
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:20,160
of authority. all of us. However, in
your professional capacity as elected

626
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:25,119
and appointed officials, we the people
have entrusted you as our stewards. Not

627
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:30,160
just our city administrators, but our
stewards of our constitutional

628
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:35,119
liberties. Stewards do not own that
which is entrusted to them. We the

629
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:41,920
people do. You all took an oath to the
constitution first and foremost. We the

630
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:47,119
people's concern is also not necessarily
because we distrust our current

631
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:51,760
stewards. The constitutional restraint
and framework exist because we don't

632
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:57,200
know who comes after you. And so that
framework keeps everything in check.

633
01:00:54,559 --> 01:01:02,799
Rights and freedoms are never lost in a
sweeping overnight manner. Although CO

634
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:07,680
error uh restrictions attempted to and
in some cases succeeded in doing so, our

635
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:13,599
freedoms are never taken all at once.
They're taken one step at a time. Each

636
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:19,200
step presented as being justified,
reasonable, or necessary for public

637
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:24,640
safety until one day we look back and
realize we've traded away that that

638
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:28,640
which we cannot reclaim.
Some say if you've done nothing wrong,

639
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,480
you have nothing to fear. That's never
been the standard in America. American

640
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:37,920
standard is that the government has to
prove it has a reason before it intrudes

641
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:44,480
on our liberty and only then it does so
with probable cause and a warrant. It is

642
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:49,760
never we the people needing to prove
that we deserve liberty or privacy.

643
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:54,000
Here's what I ask of you. This is this
conversation's new. I realize that. I

644
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:59,040
have perused the minutes going back to
January of 24. I can find very little

645
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:04,799
discussion about these cameras yet they
are all around us at every city entrance

646
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:09,839
it appears. I do believe that the
contract or the memorandum of

647
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:14,079
understanding that we have is one of the
most restrictive in terms of the data. I

648
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:18,720
still don't agree with it. I believe
this this will be deemed a fourth

649
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:22,720
amendment constitutional violation in
short order as the Supreme Court updates

650
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:27,760
our fourth amendment which they're
they're in the middle of doing. But when

651
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:32,400
technology advances faster than the law,
will this board heir on the side of

652
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:37,200
governmental power? Or will it heir on
the side of constitutional liberties?

653
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:42,559
Will you be remembered for the wisdom to
restrain technology for the sake of our

654
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:48,000
constitutional liberty and that of
future Long Beach generations.

655
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:52,799
Long Beach is an exceptional city. We
all know that. That's why we live here.

656
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:57,839
Use your stewardship to make Long Beach
the exception to mass surveillance rules

657
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:03,680
and other forthcoming technology
ordinances or laws that limit the rights

658
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:07,520
and freedoms of we the people. Doing so
will shine a positive light on our city

659
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:13,640
and will attract even more
constitutionally oriented people here.

660
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,640
Thank you.

661
01:03:13,803 --> 01:03:15,823
» [applause]

662
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:23,200
» Oh,
just I I definitely I've been get I've

663
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:29,039
gotten quite a few calls over the last
couple months. Uh Joseph being one of

664
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,720
them. We've talked about it and my
opinion I've really kind of dug in the

665
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:38,720
last probably month, month and a half to
the research and and some of it is we

666
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:44,720
all should be a little weary. Uh
not just with flock or I know we use

667
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:47,200
insight. I mean, Insight, the company
that we use, the same as Flock,

668
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,440
» Genitech,
>> is it Genitech?

669
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,559
» What's it called?
>> Genitech.

670
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:58,359
» Well, the minutes from the one it's at
Insight LPR.

671
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,359
» That's one that DEA had.

672
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:05,359
» Okay. But it's We still have the Insight
cameras here. You know, they have a

673
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:12,960
giant commercial side, so I could go buy
one. Uh I could hook repo lots use them.

674
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:17,839
recorders, lots of companies, and
technically I go buy one and drive the

675
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:23,440
roads all day with it pointed at your
house. Uh, I get a discount if I share

676
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,160
that information with the system. It's
not just the cameras that you have on

677
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:32,000
the streets. It's a network of cameras.
You can have them at movie theaters, any

678
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:35,839
private business, and it is not
different systems. It is all one system.

679
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:40,720
And like I said, a lot of it, that's why
a lot of them are free. uh

680
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:44,640
whether what they're doing with the data
or not they're storing I mean it's it's

681
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:50,880
definitely we something that is very
concerning to me uh

682
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:56,559
like I said and we do share some of it
now I know another thing that I find a

683
01:04:54,559 --> 01:05:01,520
little scary is like some of our federal
grants now uh to get the grant requires

684
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:08,640
you to share that information with the
federal government uh

685
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:12,640
which we have fun. So, I think we really
need to like

686
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:19,200
take a step and look at pol I mean,
we're talking about ebikes and all this.

687
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:24,480
I mean, this is this is 24hour a day
surveillance.

688
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:29,359
Uh, I think we really need to slow down
and come up with some policies or I

689
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:33,760
mean, if honestly at this point, if it
was up to me, I don't I don't like them.

690
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,480
If it was at my driveway, I probably
would have already accidentally ran over

691
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:43,599
it just to be completely honest with
you. Uh, but I do think this is and it's

692
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:48,319
not just one story of misuse. There's
probably somebody currently misusing

693
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:55,920
that information as we speak. It's every
day different stories. Uh, like the one

694
01:05:53,119 --> 01:06:00,160
he said with the DEA, the insight,
look at their partners that they share.

695
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:03,839
It's all the way to Lexus Nexus, which
is like the largest police database that

696
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:08,319
you can get. It's got everybody's
fingerprints and DNA and all that. And

697
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:13,440
it's all connected.
One hack. I mean, Chad GPT just got

698
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:18,240
hacked the other day and all these. I
mean, one hack in everybody's travel.

699
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:24,160
And this isn't just a hey, ping you here
or there. This is a constant 20. I mean,

700
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:29,440
it's a surveillance apparatus. And I
don't I might be cynical, but the I

701
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:34,000
don't trust the federal after COVID and
all that like the some of the

702
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:39,920
three-letter agency. I it scares me. So
that's just my personal opinion on it.

703
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:44,000
Like I I am very weary of having cameras
everywhere. And this isn't a shot to the

704
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:47,039
police because I've had countless
arguments and conversations with some of

705
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,640
my best friends and family who are cops
and like their job is to protect. This

706
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:54,400
does make it easy for them to protect.
That's their first priority. So this is

707
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:57,440
I would give Billy Seal my he could put
me on live 360. I'm not worried about

708
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:00,480
that. [laughter]
>> But that

709
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:05,359
» I I think Billy
>> I do think that it is scary. I mean,

710
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:10,400
look, just with just to go back to what
Joseph said about COVID, like maybe I

711
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:14,720
feel a little more comfortable with it
because I think the some of the people

712
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:18,559
in charge now at the higher federal
level, but think about COVID and they

713
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:24,240
say don't leave your house and don't now
they're tracking every move like it if

714
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:29,760
you leave here and drive to Crossroads,
you're probably on 15 or 20 cameras like

715
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:34,640
ping ping ping. I mean, pictures. The
new I even looked into the patents of

716
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:39,440
these cameras. The new thing that's
coming is when you drive by, it can see

717
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:43,599
your Bluetooth
and everybody in your car, it can tell

718
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:47,280
who you are
by your Bluetooth and stuff. And that's

719
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:52,240
just what's next. I mean, like I said, I
want to say just insight, the ones we

720
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:57,280
have, I think it's on 90 10 billion
license plates read already. That's

721
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:00,160
that's not like
>> me. That's very scary.

722
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,760
» I fully agree with you. The more I look
into it, the more concerning it is. I

723
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:06,079
mean, they're tracking absolutely
everything.

724
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:10,559
» I understand the concept of trying to
the police want an easier job to do. But

725
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:13,520
by definition, our Bill of Rights is put
in place to put the constraints on them

726
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:17,920
where their job is not easy. It's their
job to prove that we're doing something

727
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:21,120
wrong and just an open open access to
all your information. To me, in my mind,

728
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:25,279
I'm not I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a
judge by any any stretch of the

729
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:28,960
imagination, but in in my mind, that's
an infringement upon my rights.

730
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,600
And I may be wrong. I'm sure at some
point the Supreme Court will have to

731
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:36,159
address this and make a call on that,
but that's just the way I see it.

732
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:40,640
» I'd like to offer an opinion as well.
Um, Joseph, I congratulate you because

733
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:44,159
you're way more eloquent than Patrick um
in explaining [laughter] the situation.

734
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:48,960
Um,
>> he's been trying to train me up.

735
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:53,120
» Uh, and Patrick and I and Timmy and I
and several of us have had this

736
01:08:50,159 --> 01:09:00,000
discussion before. I too [snorts] echo
the sentiments that you have and um

737
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:04,560
makes me a little weird leery as well
the being the devil's advocate I posed

738
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:08,239
this question to Patrick and I said
what's the difference in one of these

739
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:11,359
that you're pinging off of every cell
tower if you go from here to Miami

740
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,480
they'll know exactly the route you took
and his answer was will you choose to

741
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:21,279
own one of these well you do but try to
go one day without one but that being

742
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:26,799
said I would speak to the forward.
Gentlemen, he's exactly right. We're

743
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:31,759
stewards uh of of of these people's
wishes and and uh we we get their votes.

744
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:37,520
We're elected to do something. We can
sit up here and agree with them how

745
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:40,640
we're uh in favor and and and we can
sympathize,

746
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,199
but the question is what action are we
going to take? What are we going to do

747
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:48,828
about it? We can sit up here and talk
about it, but we have to take some

748
01:09:46,808 --> 01:09:48,828
[applause]

749
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:57,440
we have to take some action um to scale
back in my opinion. And don't get me

750
01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:00,640
wrong, I don't know what that answer is.
Um but I think it should be a priority.

751
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,840
It's just my opinion. I
>> I I think so too. And you you're seeing

752
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:09,600
this issue all across the country right
now. It it's on the news every day. More

753
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,719
abuse. And I don't want that happening
in Long Beach. I mean, I like I said, I

754
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,199
trust our police department. I know
they're not going to do anything wrong.

755
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,880
But
>> Steve, you had something you'd like to

756
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,480
add?
>> I just I wanted to speak, I

757
01:10:19,558 --> 01:10:25,440
[clears throat] guess, to the other
perspective a little bit. And I think

758
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:30,159
Chief Seal is more qualified, knows much
more detailed about these particular

759
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:34,960
cameras in the city of Long Beach and
how they're utilized. And I encourage

760
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,719
him to to do that. But I wanted to agree
with Mr. Is it Oen? I'm going to

761
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:44,719
mispronounce it. I apologize.
>> Oen, sir. Okay. I wanted I wanted to

762
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:50,400
agree with him in one regard that more
information and dissemination of what

763
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:56,080
they are, how they work, and what they
do would be beneficial to the citizens

764
01:10:53,280 --> 01:11:02,640
of Long Beach. Uh there's some obvious
things and some misconceptions

765
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:06,719
about automated license plate readers.
One of them is who gets the information.

766
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:11,760
And Chief Seal can tell you that the
information that these cameras in Long

767
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:19,120
Beach gather, there is a strict
requirement that is for law enforcement

768
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:23,600
resources and and use only and only
agencies that they share it with. The

769
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,400
federal government, when Patrick talks
about don't trust the federal

770
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:32,239
government, it's a little bit bigger
than that. And we're not sharing this

771
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:39,280
information with the vast resources of
the federal government. Um, we don't

772
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:44,800
uh make any money. These cameras, like
the ones that you see on social media

773
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:51,280
and the criticism, are privatelyowned
vendors who charge municipalities and

774
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:56,480
other agencies and are revenue driven by
catching expired tags or people without

775
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:02,239
insurance. They are revenue driven. The
city of Long Beach deres not one dime

776
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:07,440
from these cameras. They They are. And
and Patrick, who I respect his opinion,

777
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:11,280
talks about how scared they are. They're
no different from most of you. Ring

778
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:15,120
camera. Gentleman say he's on camera
2,000 times a year. If his neighbor's

779
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:19,199
got a Ring camera, it's that many on his
Ring camera. I got them on my house.

780
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:23,600
Ring cameras, doorbells, and it catches
everybody who drives by. if I was really

781
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:28,480
that interested in looking. They are
really no different with the exception

782
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:33,840
that they are an investigative tool of
the police department of a a certified

783
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:39,840
law enforcement agency who like these
stewards took an oath not to abuse their

784
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:44,159
authority. A and the difference in that
and my Ring camera is that law

785
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:51,600
enforcements have the ability to put
into this system, we have a a homicide

786
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:56,800
that involves a red Camaro, last three
tag digits, XYZ,

787
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:02,320
and and if that camera somewhere in our
city catches that vehicle, it will

788
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:09,199
notify law enforcement, here's where it
just was. And indeed, a homicide was

789
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:13,600
solved in and a substantial assistant in
a murder in the city of Long Beach by

790
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:21,120
just that that purpose, a camera
identified as suspect ve

791
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:24,800
um it is an investigative tool. Is it
could it be considered an invasion of

792
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,760
your privacy? Sure. But no more than the
cell phone you got in you. The guy

793
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:32,000
riding down to you in the highway next
to you has the right to pick his phone

794
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:36,640
up and video you. I don't like it. makes
me uncomfortable. I I'm not sure I'm

795
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:42,400
scared by it because I'm not more any
more scared by Ring cameras on my

796
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:48,800
doorbells. Um they are a legitimate
investigative tool which should have

797
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:54,640
some guard rails and does. Um, and at
some point we have to disseminate enough

798
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:59,760
information, as you suggested, and
educate our citizens to not be scared of

799
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:04,239
them and to understand they're there to
assist law enforcement to protect

800
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:09,040
persons and property. And it's a
valuable tool so long as it's not

801
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:14,159
abused. I agree with that. And at some
point, like the stewards of your city,

802
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:20,159
you have to with checks and balances
trust law enforcement not to abuse their

803
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:25,920
authority. and they can be uh a terrific
assistance to law enforcement. It's my

804
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:29,679
my experience as as a citizen in in my
town in my city and as a former

805
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:32,880
commissioner of the Mississippi
Department of Public Safety quite

806
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:36,400
frankly and I just want to share that
with y'all.

807
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:44,719
» And my fear maybe not well a little bit
still now uh but is this is just the

808
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:51,120
beginning is where does it go? I mean,
I get even maybe I would concede to if

809
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:55,040
you have one at the entrance of Long,
the entrances and the exits, but like

810
01:14:53,920 --> 01:15:01,440
when you start putting them in
neighborhoods, that's different because

811
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:04,480
I mean to me, uh, but if it was taking a
picture of my house every time somebody

812
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:07,920
passed it, not only put out of your
driveway, I'm sure we have some or

813
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:11,760
there's some that every time somebody
pass it, it's taking a picture of

814
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:15,760
somebody's house. and a cell phone. If
if uh somebody a police officer wants to

815
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:22,080
get my cell phone records, they're going
to have to go get a warrant and

816
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:27,199
go to my cell phone company. These
cameras can easily be abused. Uh it is

817
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:30,800
on the police department, which I am
fully 100% sure that our police

818
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:35,199
department is doing what they're
supposed to do as far as auditing these

819
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:39,440
things. But you can't audit everyone.
And if other agencies around here, all

820
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:47,360
it takes is one bad actor. And I I just
that definitely just scares me. I know.

821
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:51,120
I mean, look in other countries. Look at
China. I mean, everything you do is on

822
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:55,120
camera and there's consequences to your
actions there. And some people are using

823
01:15:52,719 --> 01:16:00,800
these as ticket writers and things like
that. Uh Ocean Springs, other places

824
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:08,480
locally. Uh like I said, just very scary
to me. And I think lack of information

825
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:12,640
or lack of even on my part also even
looking at it for the month is the lack

826
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:17,440
of knowledge. And then I think all of us
probably not to throw y'all in with me

827
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:23,760
because I'm as simple as they come, but
uh I don't think any of us know enough

828
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:27,600
about them to have 12 and have them in
neighborhoods.

829
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:34,480
That just seems like a overreach. We're
one of the safest communities in the

830
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:38,640
country. It looks like Chief Seal has
we

831
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:43,199
all chief, you have a few words to say.
>> We have we have 10 LPRs that are

832
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:49,239
Genitech
is the company name. Genitech G nec.

833
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,360
Anyone

834
01:16:53,199 --> 01:17:02,400
needs to look that up? Uh they were
purchased. We've had them since uh those

835
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:07,360
since 2004,
the end of 2004.

836
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:14,400
Uh they were provided to us on a trial
run. Uh we sought out and got a grant uh

837
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:18,080
homeland security grant that paid for
those.

838
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:25,360
We do not share it with the federal
government. Uh we share our information

839
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:30,000
with uh Pascers, Jan, Beluxy, and
Gulfport.

840
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:35,360
Uh the tags, it takes a picture just of
the tag on the car. It doesn't take a

841
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:39,920
picture of who's in the vehicle.
It picks up the numbers.

842
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:45,840
Uh
it is stored for 90 days.

843
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:49,760
That is it. It's not sold to anyone
else. It's strictly used for law

844
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:54,080
enforcement purposes.
Uh

845
01:17:51,600 --> 01:18:00,239
I was trying to think whether his
particular questions. Uh Alderman uh

846
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:05,360
Bonds called me about the location of
that one. That one was placed on

847
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:11,840
Pineville just inside the city limits
from uh Espie where we had a lot of

848
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:16,640
problems with uh people coming in off of
Cronier and the Pineville community

849
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:21,199
committing crimes in Long Beach. So
that's why that was picked there. He

850
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:26,719
brought the concerns of the gentleman to
me. Uh we have sent went out there with

851
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:33,199
with public works and it's going to be
moved 50 to 100 feet down the road out

852
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:38,080
from in front of his house.
Uh it was it's in a city easement across

853
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:43,840
the street. It's not on his side of the
road. And so he brought that concern

854
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:49,719
through his alderman and we definitely
you know took that into account and able

855
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,719
to move that.

856
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:58,560
We've actually had LPRs in Long Beach
since 2019.

857
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:03,120
First one we we purchased and it was at
Klondike and 28th Street and it's

858
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:08,880
mounted on it was mounted I think the
cameras are actually still up on the

859
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:14,320
traffic lights but they're they don't
work. They're out of the companies just

860
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:20,640
never came and taken them down. They
don't power or nothing to them. uh they

861
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:26,960
all are placed to uh the ingress and
egress of the city,

862
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:33,280
not in neighborhoods. uh their systems
that some agencies have on the coast

863
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:38,480
that uh
people freely give access to their Ring

864
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:43,280
cameras and it's dumped into police
departments picking everything up and

865
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:48,400
you have to go basically back you know
which the fourth amendment where do you

866
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:53,120
have expectation of privacy at and you
don't have expectation of privacy

867
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:57,600
driving down the road
that simple somebody take your

868
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:04,159
you have expectation of privacy in your
home.

869
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:09,040
Uh this has gone uh many several courts
of appeals including our fifth uh

870
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:12,199
circuit and they have ruled that it's
not unconstitutional.

871
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:21,040
It's up to the Supreme Court and they
rule it is then

872
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:27,679
have to remove them. But uh it's a very
valuable investigative tool

873
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:34,000
and I I understand the transparency, but
I'm I'm not going to publish

874
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:39,520
every investigative tool I have for
every criminal to know. Uh law

875
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:46,719
enforcement as a whole is struggling to
keep up technology wise, firepower wise

876
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:55,440
with criminals.
So, uh, used them. We found missing

877
01:20:51,120 --> 01:21:01,120
people. Uh, as soon as we put these up
on the East Railroad, there was a drive

878
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:05,120
by shooting and within minutes we had a
suspect

879
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:11,360
by this camera,
made an arrest. We had a murder a couple

880
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:16,000
months ago on Allen Road.
picked the vehicle up, was able to get

881
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:21,920
the tag number, and made arrest in less
than 24 hours.

882
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:27,120
I think it's a valuable tool for public
safety. Uh, and and you're right,

883
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:31,840
Patrick, there's a lot of private You go
to Lowe's, Lowe's has block cameras.

884
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:34,159
They've had them for years. Walmart have
I mean pretty much every big box

885
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:41,280
retailer
>> a lot of uh not not here but uh in

886
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:45,920
bigger areas homeowner associations
and their homeowner dues pays for them

887
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:48,920
at the entrance to their uh
neighborhoods

888
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:57,520
again it's not
I know on the coast there a bad rap

889
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:05,440
ocean springs and I think Beluxy had had
them and that sent insurance tickets.

890
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:11,120
Uh there's another company out now that
and it's illegal to do speed enforcement

891
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:17,120
and traffic enforcement
uh automated like that, but they're

892
01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:21,520
pushing now where you can uh handheld
radar guns and with a camera and shoot

893
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:26,239
and it mails the ticket. And we're not
we're not getting into anything like

894
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:29,679
that. The these are not for any type of
traffic enforcement or vehicle

895
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:35,840
enforcement. It's strictly an
investigative tool and there's uh

896
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:42,000
safeguards. We do run audits and if you
run a tag number in there, you have to

897
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:47,120
put a case number or a reason why. If an
officer logs in there to research

898
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:53,440
something, they have to put the case
number or the reason why so we can go

899
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:59,280
back and audit. We have a LPR policy
that includes in it misuse could could

900
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:05,120
lead to termination and it could lead to
criminal charges.

901
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:08,639
There unfortunately every profession but
every [clears throat]

902
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:13,120
there's there's bad apples in no matter
what tool you have.

903
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:20,880
If you have a taser, somebody can misuse
that, you know, and abuse it. Uh so it

904
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:28,280
it's all just on on your uh
your agency to follow the policies and

905
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,280
ensure that it's being done correctly.

906
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:36,440
» And and if anybody wants to, y'all could
have called me and got this information.

907
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:43,920
» So I'm hearing that it's a lack of
information. Maybe we could put some

908
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:49,760
facts
uh out on the city web page and maybe

909
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:54,560
clear up some of the confusion, but I'm
like [clears throat] uh our attorney is

910
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:59,199
a tool and that tool is to be used
correctly and I think it's a deterrent

911
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:04,080
uh for crime in our city, which I think
we're the number one safest city for

912
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:09,040
serious crimes. Would we be that if we
did not have those cameras? Uh you just

913
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:12,719
don't really know. But the thing about
it is they know if you don't have them

914
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,719
because then they got free reigns to go
where they want to do. So I see both

915
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:21,440
sides. Uh
>> like I said, I just think it's a

916
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:26,400
» not an anti-law enforcement. I think all
of us should

917
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,480
» I don't know. Maybe I just might have
different opinion, but I

918
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:32,320
» I think so.
>> I think everybody should have issues

919
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:36,719
with have like we're moving to a society
and this isn't a Long Beach issue. This

920
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:40,800
is a societal American issue that we're
moving to society where you're going to

921
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:44,239
be on a camera 24. And I get private
people have cameras and stuff, but

922
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:49,120
» these are government networks.
>> How many people can log on to MD dot

923
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:52,159
right now and watch watch how many
traffic intersections?

924
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,679
» I mean, I get I don't like that either.
>> I I think it would be good for us to get

925
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:59,520
the information out the difference in
between these cameras and the actual

926
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:02,880
flock cameras that you're hearing.
>> Well, they're all kind of the same.

927
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:06,239
They are, but they're they're we're
using them differently just to get some

928
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:12,400
information out there. But I think we
need to as a board look further into

929
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:18,000
» So, I think the first action is to wrap
this thing up. Let's put some facts out

930
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:23,520
there and let's start to inform the
public of the intent of these cameras.

931
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:28,000
Let's then step back and think about how
we're using them and see if we want to

932
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:32,239
go forward with them or not. But let the
facts get out and Courtney, you can put

933
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:36,159
them on our web page just to find, you
know, some of the questions you heard in

934
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:41,280
here tonight and and try to help explain
them to the public. So, I think a good

935
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,639
opportunity to do that also, Courtney,
would be when uh Billy has uh the night

936
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:47,120
out against crime.
>> Oh, yeah.

937
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:51,840
» We could put one out there as an example
and list

938
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:57,280
uh people that we've captured uh how
they've helped us uh and educate the

939
01:25:54,719 --> 01:26:02,000
public on how they're used. So, we're
not tonight's discussion wasn't to come

940
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:06,800
out with the decision, but we're going
to come out with trying to help ease the

941
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:11,920
issues that people are seeing because of
things they don't fully may not fully

942
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:16,159
understand. So, being educated and
educating people of what we use them

943
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:21,120
for, how they're protected, and things
like that, I think is a start in the

944
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:26,480
right direction to assure that we are
using them correctly. And so, uh, if we

945
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:31,040
could, let's just, uh, I don't know if
we need a motion to say, uh, Billy, put

946
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:34,400
some items together.
>> I'll work with Courtney and we'll put

947
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:38,880
out some information.
>> We'll put them on the web page. And in

948
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:46,800
the meantime, we'll continue to, uh,
look into this. All right. Next item,

949
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:50,400
schedule work session for FY27 budget.
>> All right. Does uh,

950
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:53,520
» Good. Can Yeah. Can everybody make
August 25th?

951
01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:56,560
» Uh,
>> when?

952
01:26:54,080 --> 01:27:01,679
» August 25th.
>> I think that's next next Tuesday.

953
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:04,000
» Yes.
>> Where is it?

954
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:09,120
» All right. Anybody can't make it.
>> Uh, I'm pretty sure I'll be in trial

955
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,400
late that day, but as a possibility I
can make it. If a trial starts on the

956
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,960
24th.
>> Okay.

957
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:16,159
» And this will be at 5:00. Is that
>> I don't know.

958
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,920
» Okay.
>> But I mean, I'll be here if I can.

959
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,840
» All right. Anybody else have concern
with August 25th?

960
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,679
» I'm good.
>> Can I get a motion?

961
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:27,199
» Motion.
>> Second.

962
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:32,560
» Any discussion? Motion carries. Next one
is uh funding sources for uh previously

963
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:37,120
approved purchasing of one tractor and
two excavators for the public works

964
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:43,199
department. Uh we were thinking about
the uh two excavators that could come

965
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:48,480
out of the water and sewer fund and the
uh tractor possibly coming out of the

966
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:50,239
internet diversion tax.
>> Yes.

967
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:53,920
» Uh can I get a motion?
>> I'll make that motion, Mr. Mayor. Just

968
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,280
with the way that
>> Let me get a second.

969
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:59,120
» Oh, sorry.
>> Second. We got a motion. Got a second.

970
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:06,159
All right. Go ahead. Just my concern was
adding uh debt services if we have that

971
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:12,840
money to use for these uh three pieces
of equipment that are basically used

972
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,840
daily that we just buy them outright.

973
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:21,120
» Buy them out of those two funds.
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That was just that

974
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:23,920
was just the discussion. I was just
saying why we did it.

975
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:28,639
» All right. So, we got a motion. Second.
Any more discussion? All in favor?

976
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:32,320
» I. All oppose.
>> Motion carries. Huh?

977
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:35,120
» Yeah. The two excavators and a tractor
coming out of the

978
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:39,600
» All right. Very good.
>> Do you need another timeline?

979
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:43,600
» Another one. Uh,
sir.

980
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:47,920
» Certification of substantial completion
of the Long Beach Gateway Phase 2

981
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:49,199
project. Can I get a motion to accept
that?

982
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,719
» Motion.
>> Got a motion to

983
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:56,239
» second.
>> Got a second. Discussion. Uh, the

984
01:28:52,960 --> 01:29:01,280
gateway phase 2 is nearing completion.
Uh this is really kind of the uh we'll

985
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:03,920
go into the punch list. We hope to have
it open in the next couple of weeks.

986
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:09,920
Only thing that's holding it up from
being open is uh some of the shrubs and

987
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:15,280
all didn't transition well and have
died. So uh before we open it, we're

988
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:20,239
going to make sure all the shrubs is
doing great. All the palm trees are

989
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:24,560
trimmed and nice. So we're hoping to
have that within the next week or two.

990
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:28,159
» So can I get a mo? Go ahead. All in
favor? I.

991
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:33,600
» All oppose. Motion carries.
>> Next one is uh professional services of

992
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:37,440
Long Beach Gateway phase three proposal.
This is this is the phase three where

993
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:44,159
we're going to put the five canopies
across the gateway project. That project

994
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:49,360
has been funded. Uh so this is a this is
the last phase of the gateway project.

995
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:52,719
Can I get a motion to motion?
>> Got a motion. Second. Second. Any

996
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:56,880
discussion?
>> All in favor?

997
01:29:53,679 --> 01:30:02,880
» I. All oppose. Motion carries. Next one
we've got appeal the planning commission

998
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:05,880
decision. Timothy Brian De's and Bobby
Nissel.

999
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:15,199
Please come up and state your name and
address and for the record.

1000
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:21,760
» Good afternoon boardman. I'm Bobby
Niesel engineer for Tim Tim Diesel

1001
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:25,360
subdivision Compass Cove on Johnson
Road.

1002
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:31,360
live at two Golden Drive, Gulport,
Mississippi. And um we've designed the

1003
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:36,239
subdivision without any retention
basically because the site is full of

1004
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:40,960
live oak trees and it's very flat and
detention was is basically impossible to

1005
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:45,920
build without building up the entire
site to get an outfall for detention

1006
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:51,280
pond. And uh to do that, you would
affect live oak trees and possibly

1007
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:56,560
damage and lose more than he's already
been permitted to remove. The uh

1008
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:04,639
drainage ordinance has a provision where
any site less than 3 acres and you're

1009
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:10,320
filling less than 50% imperous surfaces
are exempt from the uh storm water

1010
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:15,760
ordinance, the detention requirements.
Mr. ball. I respect his opinion, but he

1011
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:20,480
feels that the newer ordinances have
have overridden this, but we couldn't

1012
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:25,520
find any language that says that. And
there's a provision that if it's less

1013
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:30,239
than three acres, you filling less than
50% of the property with with hard

1014
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:37,360
surfaces. And I've done a calculations
on the surfaces, houses, driveways,

1015
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:40,960
and sidewalks, and it's like 47%. I feel
I'm being conservative. That's probably

1016
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:46,639
higher. and the covenant could actually
address that if need be to protect that,

1017
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:51,360
make sure the site's not developed over
50%. But I guess we need to defer to the

1018
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:57,440
attorney, Mr. Simpson, to review the
ordinances and see if that provision is

1019
01:31:53,360 --> 01:32:00,639
still valid or not. And uh there there
are new ordinances since that was

1020
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:05,440
passed, but I can't really find where
that one was would say is not in effect

1021
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:11,120
anymore. So, it was put in there for a
reason to allow. And this Johnson Road

1022
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:15,199
site is basically flat. We're actually
some of the drainage goes to the south

1023
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:21,040
toward Bo Brawn Drive and we're actually
reducing the drainage flow to that area

1024
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:25,600
and Mr. Ball agrees with that. Rest of
it goes to Johnson Road and we've been

1025
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:29,920
watching it through these torrential
rains we've had including the the

1026
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:33,760
tropical storm and everything floods for
a little while but it's been draining

1027
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:37,280
off great. I've talked to Mike Bulky who
lives on Southern Nooks Drive. He said

1028
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:43,120
they hadn't had any drains problems even
during these torrential rains. And the

1029
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:47,840
amount of increase we're increasing it
will be basically contained in the road

1030
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:52,159
until it dries till it drains out which
it's such a small site to begin with.

1031
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:57,840
It's it's not going to take long for
anything just like any detention area

1032
01:32:53,920 --> 01:33:03,840
would drain out. So, we're asking to u
that your your board accepts the uh

1033
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:09,840
provision of that ordinance allowing the
exemption and um allow Mr. Mr. De's to

1034
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:13,440
proceed with development. Otherwise,
he's going to cancel the whole project.

1035
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:18,480
He's got seven lots there plan on
building very expensive houses just

1036
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:23,600
because the value of the cost to develop
it. Probably half a million dollars and

1037
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:27,440
up houses. And there's if this can't
this variance can't be approved then

1038
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:32,400
basically the project will die and he'll
you'll allow be build three houses on

1039
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:36,080
the property as as the ordinance
requires.

1040
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:40,400
That's our request to review that
drainage ordinance.

1041
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:44,960
» Anybody else want to speak to have have
you had time to pull up?

1042
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:50,719
» I I'm I met with David Ball about this
issue um sometime early last week I

1043
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:55,040
think David maybe even the week before.
uh and his office, we sat down and

1044
01:33:52,800 --> 01:34:02,719
looked at the ordinance
um conflicts is is really the only way I

1045
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:09,520
know how to explain it. Uh section 174
of our land use ordinance article 15 as

1046
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:14,880
Mr. Nissel represents creates an
exemption

1047
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:22,320
uh for um avoiding postdevelopment
runoff if the site is less than 3 acres

1048
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:29,440
and less than 50% imperous surface which
he represents in his platinary

1049
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:35,440
plat that that it is. Um the problem
with that and and that reads fairly

1050
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:41,840
clearly when you look at it on its own.
The problem is the very next section 175

1051
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:46,560
says that each proposed residential or
commercial

1052
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:53,679
uh or industrial development provide
detention basins to distort storm water

1053
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:58,800
runoff in excess of the volumes before
the development. When you read those

1054
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:04,159
right next to each other, they're
they're inconsistent with one another. I

1055
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:11,040
I think section 175
does not contemplate a a 3acre size or 3

1056
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:18,719
acre development relatively small with
less than 50% impervious service when it

1057
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:22,080
talks about detention basis but
particularly when it's talking about

1058
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:28,000
residential commercial and industrial
development

1059
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:34,239
and when you also consider 1674 talks
about an exemption exempt from what I I

1060
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:38,480
can only imagine maybe exempt from 175,
but it is not clear. It's clear as mud

1061
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:42,719
when you read them separately and when
you put them next to each other, they

1062
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:49,360
they're in conflict one another. But Mr.
Leisel is correct in that 174 appears to

1063
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:55,920
provide an exemp an exemption for his
size development with with less than 50%

1064
01:35:53,440 --> 01:36:02,400
impervious surface. I know Mr. ball
later in this agenda has a has an

1065
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:08,000
ordinance proposal to try to clarify and
prevent this conflict from arising in

1066
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:12,880
the future. But these two sections are
inconsistent with one another is the

1067
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:16,719
best explanation I can give you. David
may want to speak to it as well.

1068
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:20,000
» Well, our position is that if there's an
exemption, there's an exemption.

1069
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:24,320
Otherwise, why even have that paragraph
in there? Because if it's going to be

1070
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:29,360
negated by another paragraph, why is it
even in there to begin with?

1071
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:33,840
» Well, and I guess and I'm didn't a
previous

1072
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:37,760
uh person that had that property have a
retention pond drawn up on that thinking

1073
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:41,920
that he needed it.
>> I think it was Mr. Ball's boss actually

1074
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:47,600
that owned it and he had a very small
one draining towards the south. and

1075
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:52,320
looking at the plans that I saw, it's I
can't even see.

1076
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:56,960
» And and I guess where I'm coming from is
I don't care what size house you build.

1077
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:59,600
I don't care what lot you build. You
should not affect anybody in your

1078
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,040
surrounding area on what you're
building.

1079
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:05,119
» And we
>> and that's just my standpoint because we

1080
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:09,600
got examples of it right now
>> that we're fighting

1081
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:14,639
» uh because it's it's affecting the
surrounding neighbors. So, I will never

1082
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:18,080
vote in favor of putting a burden on
somebody else, no matter where the

1083
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:21,840
neighborhood's at or how big it is, how
big your homes are or anything else.

1084
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:26,639
» Well, based on my design, it's not. It's
actually draining to [music] the street

1085
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:30,159
and it drains out towards a big canal a
couple.

1086
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:36,320
» So, all I got to rely on is our
engineer. And our engineer says that it

1087
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:39,600
will affect surrounding
areas,

1088
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:43,199
» the downstream ditch basically because
Yeah,

1089
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:47,199
» that's comes that was in his study. So
if you're if you were asking me, I live

1090
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,360
down the road from you. Am I in favor of
Heck no. I'm going to get water in my

1091
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:53,119
yard just because he built the
subdivision there. Is that fair to the

1092
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:55,119
people that live in the neighborhood?
>> I don't know. I'm not an engineer, but

1093
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:57,119
he is.
>> I I understand.

1094
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,239
» And I know you are, too.
>> Sure. And it's And I understand the

1095
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:04,639
tension. And it's usually larger
subdivisions that do put a big impact.

1096
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:09,440
» But it doesn't have to be a large
subdivision. It could just be a lot

1097
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:12,400
affect your neighbors to the next either
either side of you.

1098
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:16,000
» It's not it's not affecting neighbor
either. It drains into the street.

1099
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:21,199
Everything I've designed drains into the
road unlike the one that Mr. Balls Boss

1100
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,440
had done drains towards Bo Braun and
there was no drainage going there at

1101
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,400
all.
>> I'm surprised. I don't know how that

1102
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,400
would even work to begin with. It' go
through somebody's backyard.

1103
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,000
» Yeah. Yeah,
>> but this goes strictly to a front yard

1104
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:36,000
ditch and there's an exemption that
y'all have in your ordinance and that's

1105
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:40,719
what we're asking you to to uphold.
>> Well, I looked at that, too, and I also

1106
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:44,719
looked at the 175 that counters it and I
think we got a church in the same

1107
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:50,000
situation you're in right now uh that
we're doing the same exact thing. So, if

1108
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:54,239
we go down that road and start doing
exemptions, how you going to stop it?

1109
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:57,600
» Well, you need to revise your ordinance,
but right now the ordinance allows for

1110
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:01,360
it. That's what we relied on. If you
read 175, it don't matter how big your

1111
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:03,679
lot is, how small it is, what big your
subdivision, you'll affect your

1112
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:07,920
neighbor.
>> 174,

1113
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:12,000
it avoids that. It says it's not
applicable. That's exactly what it says.

1114
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:15,520
» And I don't think that was the intent.
Why would I Why would I allow you to

1115
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:19,199
build something that's gonna negatively
affect your

1116
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,679
because they said they looked at when
they drew it up or they wouldn't put it

1117
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:26,320
in there said if it's less than three
acres and you're only improving less

1118
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:29,119
than 50% it's not going to have a great
negative effect. That was the whole

1119
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:34,480
purpose of it.
>> What I'd like to do, David, would you

1120
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:37,520
like to to comment on any of this?
>> I don't I don't know that I could add

1121
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:40,719
anything. I mean, I think Mr. Mr.
Simpsons represented the the issues that

1122
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:45,280
I brought up. I think there are
ordinance provisions that prevent this.

1123
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:49,360
Mr. Niss's point, in my opinion, is well
made. I mean, the pro the the the

1124
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:53,360
exemption is in the ordinance for a
reason.

1125
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:56,639
» I may not like it, but that may be where
you're at. I don't I don't know.

1126
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:59,280
» So, when the water drains to the road,
to the front of it, where does it go

1127
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:04,000
from there?
>> It it will continue downstream to the

1128
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:09,600
east on Johnson Road and then it will
enter into a ditch system that kind of

1129
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:13,760
meanders south to canal one. Is there a
culvert that runs?

1130
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:18,080
» There's a a couple culvert systems that
it will be required to flow through to

1131
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:21,760
get to that ditch and then it and then I
think it's open flow open ditch to canal

1132
01:40:20,829 --> 01:40:26,719
[clears throat] one.
>> So I guess my question is is that

1133
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:32,000
negatively going to affect
people around them with his design.

1134
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:34,560
» Will it affect their actual home sites
is what I'm

1135
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:38,080
» Yeah. I'm trying to I'm trying to
understand if it gets to the road

1136
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:42,000
» Mhm. which means it's not going to
affect anybody on either side. It gets

1137
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:44,960
to the road then it goes has to go to
the uh I guess beat line

1138
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,679
» west.
>> It goes west

1139
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,960
goes east.
>> Goes east. Yes, sir. Sorry.

1140
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:55,520
» All right. So with it and when it goes
east is it is it negatively impacting

1141
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:58,960
anybody or is it going down a covert in
a in a ditch?

1142
01:40:56,639 --> 01:41:04,239
» Well my position was that the increase
in runoff even and and I'm really tried

1143
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:09,840
to stay away from the quantity.
It's just qualitatively it will be an

1144
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:14,960
increase in the in the impact of this
property to the city's infrastructure

1145
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:20,320
» which which there's an exemption that
allows that and it does flow and during

1146
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:24,480
this torrential rains we've had we've
been out and looked at it nobody's

1147
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:29,440
complained about the drains getting near
their house and we're in the amount that

1148
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:33,520
this little small seven lots is going to
prove is a drop in the bucket especially

1149
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,920
considering these tropical storms we
just had with 12 inches of rain.

1150
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:40,480
» Mhm.
>> And if you didn't have any complaints,

1151
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:44,159
then this little seven lots is like,
like I say, a drop in the bucket of the

1152
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:50,080
increase. It'll that's what the
exemption I think is for for smaller

1153
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:53,600
developments with a 50% or less
improvement area. And that's exactly why

1154
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,600
that ordinance is written that way.
Somebody wrote it for a reason.

1155
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:58,800
» Mhm.
>> And we feel we fall underneath that

1156
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,719
exemption.
>> What I mean,

1157
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:05,920
» sorry.
>> What's your thoughts?

1158
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:10,800
I mean, when I read them and when I met
with David,

1159
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:14,719
they both mean what they say. I mean,
they're fairly clearly written. The

1160
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:17,199
problem is they're just in conflict with
one another.

1161
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,960
» My question is,
>> and so when you try to figure out when I

1162
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:25,040
try to figure out why would you have two
that are inconsistent with each other,

1163
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:29,199
one of them does claim to be an
exemption. So, you got to ask yourself

1164
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:35,040
to exempt from what? Is it this other
one? isn't the one that says you can't

1165
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:41,360
do anything more. And it is an exemption
that's based on some pretty strict

1166
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:47,679
limitations. Three acres in size and 50%
of less than 50% of imperous surface

1167
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:52,480
area. So yeah, it was clearly written
with the intent to allow something that

1168
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:59,760
size with that impervious
u dimensions 50% or less uh to to be

1169
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:03,920
exempted. The question is
The ordinance needs to be cleaned up to

1170
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:09,760
say exempted from what? Exempted from a
detention basin or from running on other

1171
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:13,920
people's land. Yeah. The answer to that
ought to be no. You're not exempted from

1172
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:20,159
damage in your neighbor's land. But you
are exempted if it doesn't u create a

1173
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:23,280
burden on on adjacent property. It
should be cleaned up to say that. And I

1174
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:27,199
think that that's David's recommendation
quite frankly. I

1175
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:30,560
» I have to give my two cents on this one.
I kind of have to agree with Mr.

1176
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:35,119
on this.
>> The provision is there and he he does

1177
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:40,400
have the option to put a retention pond
in. He could go re-elevate the entire

1178
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:44,159
piece of property to form a pond, but
that would put more water going

1179
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:47,280
elsewhere off the property once you
reelevate the entire

1180
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:53,280
» kill some trees. What we'll do
>> and it would harm the trees. So, in my

1181
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:56,880
mind, he's taking the better way out
with using this provision

1182
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:59,520
» and it's not draining to anybody's yard.
That's

1183
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:07,760
» well that's a big thing. That's what my
concern is. So from your study does it

1184
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:13,760
it will it affect anybody else's yards?
>> No. No sir. Not not the yards directly.

1185
01:44:10,639 --> 01:44:18,080
I mean his runoff well I guess you are
channelizing a tiny bit on the south but

1186
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:22,480
there there's a he he's reducing the
flow rate that crosses the property line

1187
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:27,840
into Bo Braraw because he's going to
build ridge lines. his properties uh the

1188
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:31,440
houses will be constructed so that a big
chunk of the lots the new lots will

1189
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:36,239
drain to the street.
>> So less area is going to drain across

1190
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:40,000
the southern property line to Bo Braun
and the majority of the rest of the

1191
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:44,880
property and in fact all the property
will either drain to the street and then

1192
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:50,159
out to Johnson Road or it'll drain
through the side through the rear yards

1193
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:55,440
to Johnson Road. So, I don't think that
he's really negatively impacting

1194
01:44:53,119 --> 01:45:01,440
properties, adjacent properties. The the
impact I was concerned about is that it

1195
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:05,280
will increase this property's impact to
the city's infrastructure, the

1196
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:08,800
downstream drainage infrastructure,
which I think could have impact

1197
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:13,440
downstream and to the upstream
properties. I mean, if you're using more

1198
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:17,760
capacity in the ditch because of this
property, then it could have an upstream

1199
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:22,639
impact, too. But but I guess do we have
excess capab capabilities that if it

1200
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:26,159
does flow is it going to I think you
said when it rained hard you it really

1201
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:34,080
wasn't a big impact. So
>> do we have the capacity to handle?

1202
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:37,679
» I I that that could be determined. I I
have not done that

1203
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:43,280
» without doing a drain. I only I don't
opinion and I'm not a I'm as far from

1204
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:47,679
engineer as you could probably be but I
don't want to pick and choose like if we

1205
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:55,760
have an ordinance and we have a policy
and even if it's wrong or

1206
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:59,760
we need to change it in the future. I I
don't know that

1207
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,320
I don't like the picking and choosing
like

1208
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:07,040
» he is he is going to clear up
>> if it's there now tonight. If it's there

1209
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:11,360
now, then you you all got one.
>> I agree. He he's put the footwork in to

1210
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:15,119
draw the subdivision based off of our
current ordinances.

1211
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:21,520
» And I agreed with with Mr. Ball that we
should amend the ordinance and and give

1212
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:27,760
it clarity and clean it up because if an
appeal of this board's decision went to

1213
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:32,000
circuit court, I've learned very clearly
a circuit court's going to construe the

1214
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:34,480
ordinance against the drafter, which is
us, the city. We wrote it.

1215
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:37,280
» Yes.
>> And if we don't like the way it was

1216
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:39,280
written anymore, that's our going to be
our fault, not not the developers. I

1217
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,880
ain't
>> You can basically take that cleaned up.

1218
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:44,880
However, I don't know that it's
>> made that clear.

1219
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,960
» I don't think so either.
>> Right. Yeah.

1220
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,840
» My my opinion.
>> Is that your war?

1221
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:52,000
» We need to fix.
>> Yes. That was my war.

1222
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:56,560
» Are you good with it?
>> I'm good with it.

1223
01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:59,920
» I'll make a motion to approve his appeal
to to allow the development.

1224
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:02,480
» We got a motion.
>> Second.

1225
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:07,119
» Second. Any further discussion? point of
discussion, mayor, that I want to make.

1226
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:12,639
Um, I I understand the ordinance is
written. I understand what council said

1227
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:17,440
about circuit court basically telling
you you're going to eat this one. Uh,

1228
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:21,679
however, everybody on this board's aware
of what we're doing on Magnolia Run

1229
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:28,159
right now and how aggravating that is
and we can't undo if they affect

1230
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:31,920
neighboring properties. uh we're going
to have to go back and fix that and

1231
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:35,040
people can say why did you allow it just
the point I'm not saying that we don't

1232
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:39,520
have to abide by the ordinance the way
it's written but I don't have to like it

1233
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:43,360
» and I I believe like Magnolia would be
over the AC

1234
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:48,000
» it is but the point is you still got the
same problem if if they're not correct

1235
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:53,760
you talking about a 3% how do you
measure 3% impervious effect

1236
01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:57,920
» well basically when you have a
torrential rain like we've had you're

1237
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:02,159
getting 100% runoff off. Even though
it's bare ground, it's all running off.

1238
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:06,480
And by these storms that we just
witnessed, it's obvious this 3 acre site

1239
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:11,040
falls right in that exemption
requirement. I mean allowance because it

1240
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:14,480
wouldn't affect it at all at all in that
storm. I don't care if it was solid

1241
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:18,320
concrete or solid dirt. It's all going
to run off in those type of rains. So

1242
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:23,119
that's why that provision was put in
there. Four small sites that you fill

1243
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:26,960
less than 50%. I don't think it's a bad
one, but the only way to fix it would

1244
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:29,360
just take that out altogether and just
and then it wouldn't we wouldn't have

1245
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,320
any,
>> right?

1246
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:37,600
» I feel good about what we've heard so
far that it won't hurt or negatively

1247
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:42,159
impact any other owners in that area.
So, that was my main concern is just

1248
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:44,239
don't put it off on somebody else.
>> Absolutely.

1249
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:46,880
» So, we got a motion on the table
>> and a second

1250
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:52,960
» and a second. All in favor?
>> All oppose? Motion carries.

1251
01:48:48,719 --> 01:49:00,239
» Thank you. Welcome. Thank you.
Next one is Long Beach Historical

1252
01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:04,560
Society Cemetery Tour. Mr. Skelly.
>> All right. Can I get a motion to allow

1253
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,679
them to do the cemetery tour?
>> Motion.

1254
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:07,360
» Second.
>> Second.

1255
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:11,600
» All in favor?
>> All opposed. Motion carries.

1256
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:22,320
Next one is uh placement of portletes
and Harbor Gateway parking lot for the

1257
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,760
light in the darkness march for Jesus.
>> So move.

1258
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,280
» Got a motion.
>> Second.

1259
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:30,480
» A second. Any discussion? All in favor?
>> I.

1260
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:36,159
» All opposed? Motion carries. The next
one is a request for beautifification

1261
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:42,600
project. Okay. Beautification project on
28th Street by the Long Beach Rotary

1262
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:42,600
Clubs. Anybody here to talk?

1263
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:49,440
» Come on. I'll be back.
>> Okay.

1264
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:53,360
» We just want to say how much
>> I thought you were going to do.

1265
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:58,639
» That's all right. I'm here. So, we would
like to um beautify the welcome to Long

1266
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:04,880
Beach sign that's at the northwest
corner of Beet Line and 28th Street by

1267
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:09,840
Bradley's by putting a durable planter
at the bottom with some flowers in it. I

1268
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:15,119
believe in the letter you had a before
and after concept picture. So all we're

1269
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:20,239
in and the details we want to be
consistent unlike the welcome to Long

1270
01:50:17,199 --> 01:50:24,480
Beach signs that we have right now. Um
and we'll work with Courtney.

1271
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:27,600
» No, we do got new ones now. We just got
the new ones,

1272
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:29,840
» but that's just for downtown. So this is
not downtown.

1273
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:36,000
» I like your idea. Here's my only thing.
Uh who's going to maintain them?

1274
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:40,800
» Us. We have budgeted um quarterly
maintenance and that's going to be our

1275
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:42,880
community service project for our club.
>> It's a great

1276
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:45,440
» to maintain it quarterly.
>> I'll make the motion.

1277
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:48,719
» All right. So, we got second.
>> I say I I saw the drawing look nice.

1278
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:52,000
Just can't wait to see it.
>> That'll be I guess on the southeast

1279
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:54,400
corner there, the wooded corner of
>> It's the northwest corner on Bradley's

1280
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:59,280
side of
>> Bradley. Okay. Okay.

1281
01:50:55,679 --> 01:51:03,199
» Just discussion to clarify the mayor's
uh question about who's going to

1282
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:07,040
maintain it. I think that's something
that separate note that we need to

1283
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:12,159
discuss in the future when we have
things adopted

1284
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:16,239
» that people want to donate a plan or or
take over things. We need to know

1285
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:19,840
exactly how they're going to do it.
That's a side discussion.

1286
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:23,600
» Most people mean well and and y'all do.
I know it's all about beautifification

1287
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:27,360
and we're trying to do a lot of things
>> to beautify our city and we appreciate

1288
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:30,159
y'all coming out and stepping up and
helping us.

1289
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:33,760
» This is one hopefully we can do the rest
of them too. Not us, but hopefully

1290
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,960
somebody will.
>> Thank you.

1291
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:38,880
» You're welcome.
>> All right. All in favor? I

1292
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:44,159
» All oppose. Motion carries. Next one is
discussion for the planning commission

1293
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:48,320
proposed live streaming of meeting.
Alderman Jafrey.

1294
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:51,880
» Mr. Mayor. Um as as
>> everybody all right.

1295
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:59,599
» Is Miss Sammy going to Ray. Is Miss
Sammy going to speak at this point?

1296
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:02,560
» Pardon?
>> Okay. want to make a motion. What do you

1297
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,760
want?
>> Um, Miss Sammy want to just say a few

1298
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:10,679
words about this.
>> Yes, she's on the agenda.

1299
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:10,679
» Okay. Miss Sammy.

1300
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:21,280
» Hi, I'm Sammy Taylor. I've been here for
over 20 years. I live on 416 East 3rd

1301
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:25,760
Street, Long Beach.
And I'm I have a lot of people from out

1302
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:30,320
of town and a lot of local people that
come in to see me and they're concerned

1303
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:34,719
about some of the issues about closing
the street because it's affecting a lot

1304
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:39,360
of the local business. A lot of people
don't know how to maneuver around when

1305
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:43,520
the street is blocked.
And we really want more people to live

1306
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:49,040
here. We want to bring encourage people.
It's one of the top cities to live in in

1307
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:56,320
the country right now. And we want to
encourage that. Too often people want to

1308
01:52:53,679 --> 01:53:03,199
make dollars and the rule for the
residents is left out. It they they they

1309
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:08,119
just want to welcome people here and not
be up to the developers that going to

1310
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:08,119
make the money.

1311
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:18,480
My uh other concern is closing the the
street that affects the farmers market

1312
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:22,639
and it's been moved many times in the
last several years.

1313
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:27,040
The the farmers market people, we really
need them. They bring fresh produce,

1314
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:30,719
fresh vegetables, fresh meat. And when
the local people can't go there to buy,

1315
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:34,960
these people have prepared it and they
show up and their space is not available

1316
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:38,520
and they either have to leave and take
their product home.

1317
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:49,119
Um, I'm uh concerned also about the um
you call them Airbnbs, the rentals.

1318
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:54,400
The short-time rentals are are
wonderful, but we don't want them taking

1319
01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:57,760
over our local neighborhoods. It's an
issue to most of us that live in the

1320
01:53:56,159 --> 01:54:02,719
neighborhoods, and we're seeing them
come in. And I think that they should

1321
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:07,599
limit the how many they allow every
every year, all the new ones coming in

1322
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:13,280
and how many in an area, and just keep
our neighborhoods nice and safe.

1323
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:16,800
We need to find a way to promote
residential growth, and I agree with

1324
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:20,080
that.
But we wouldn't want the developers

1325
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:23,360
coming in from out of town, making the
money, and then leaving our little

1326
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:28,400
community.
I'm just happy to live here and happy to

1327
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:33,440
have y'all as my neighbors.
And um we were the first new business to

1328
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:37,760
open south of the tracks after Katrina.
So, I've been here quite a while. I

1329
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:39,280
thank you for listening to me.
>> Thank you.

1330
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:41,280
» Thank you, Miss Amy.
>> Great job,

1331
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:44,639
» everybody. She owns a little shop up
here by the railroad tracks.

1332
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:47,760
» The stone man, the gem lady, North North
Jeff Davis. you need to come by there

1333
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:49,040
and visit. She's got a wonderful little
shop.

1334
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:51,440
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Sammy.

1335
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:56,320
» Thanks, Miss Sammy. Mr. Mayor, just
while we're on this topic here, um just

1336
01:54:53,760 --> 01:55:00,239
wanted to let everyone know that we we
had some discussion earlier about the

1337
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:05,760
planning commission. The planning
commission um is very important to how

1338
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:12,560
we conduct business in our city. And I
think it's incumbent upon us to try our

1339
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:17,520
best to um live stream the planning and
development meetings. That way there'll

1340
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:21,440
be no question as to what occurred and
what have you. We have a lot of people

1341
01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:27,360
that look at our board meetings via live
stream. I reached out to um um you know

1342
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:32,639
to try to find out some cost and
everything and with um Mr. Triplet and I

1343
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:38,320
think he gave some of these costs he
told me to um to Courtney. But we I I

1344
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:43,679
think whatever it cost, you know, we
need to really take a serious look at uh

1345
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:49,920
make a commitment to transparency with
the planning commission meetings. Um

1346
01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:54,880
and I'd put this put in the form of a
motion. maybe we can, you know, talk

1347
01:55:52,080 --> 01:56:00,880
about it. But, um, my motion would be to
to do it, put our best foot forward and

1348
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:06,480
try our best to come up with a plan to,
uh, live stream our, um, planning and

1349
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:08,480
development commission meetings.
>> Is that a motion?

1350
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:12,000
» That's a motion.
>> Got a motion.

1351
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,639
» Got a second.
>> Second.

1352
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:23,119
» Second. Discussion.
>> Discussion. Um you so I looked at this

1353
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:29,199
and and just as far as I want to give
some facts out there on what what we're

1354
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:34,480
looking at. So taking an average of all
of our meetings throwing out the most

1355
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:42,639
watched and the least watched. The most
watched was a uh 3100 which was a

1356
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:53,840
special uh meeting. Uh and then our
least watched on YouTube was 16 people.

1357
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:58,159
So over the uh average is about 314
views.

1358
01:56:55,360 --> 01:57:02,800
That's that's this meeting where the
work is, you know, approved or denied

1359
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:08,800
for final.
I look at it and I go, "Okay, is that

1360
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:15,199
using our using our
population of 16,500?"

1361
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:21,599
Just going off of our last survey, I
mean, uh, census. Thank you, sir. Um,

1362
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:27,119
that's 2 and a half% of, uh, the people
of our city that that watch these

1363
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:32,480
meetings. I just want to make sure that
we're spending the money correctly. The

1364
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:39,360
other note is I don't looking at every
other city across the coast, none of

1365
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:46,719
them post uh their their planning
commission meetings. I just I I go,

1366
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:53,520
okay, should we look at doing the
minutes more in depth or is it something

1367
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:58,800
that is needed to be filmed?
>> Can So I'd actually just

1368
01:57:55,360 --> 01:58:02,719
» I'm just throwing out just numbers and
seen them used before. It's called

1369
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:05,920
Applaud.
Courtney, I know she's over there

1370
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:10,239
scrambling to take the minutes. She can
put it on the back of her phone. It'll

1371
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:18,080
listen to everything and take completely
detailed minutes, gives overviews, all

1372
01:58:13,599 --> 01:58:23,119
that stuff. It's 150 bucks. Uh, as far
as the minutes, it can be like extremely

1373
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:28,320
detailed almost down to the exact. I
mean, I think that some of the errors

1374
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:32,639
we've had obviously are just look at
them sitting over there trying to like

1375
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:39,840
scribble down and write. So, I will make
a substitute motion that we pay the

1376
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:45,520
70 bucks right now to go ahead and get
that device uh to run during the

1377
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:48,880
meetings as a backup to them. They can
go back and look at it and do that. So,

1378
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,920
I'm going to make that substitute.
>> I guess we could just post those minutes

1379
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:55,760
on the website. You can
>> to go back and read

1380
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:58,159
» what prices
we got a substitute motion. Do we have a

1381
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:01,440
second
>> second discussion?

1382
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:05,199
» At that point, we could just publish
those on the website for everybody to go

1383
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:09,040
back and read versus video. And
>> can I can I say something? Go ahead.

1384
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:13,840
» So in a lot of our team and Zoom calls
that we do have, people pay the claude

1385
01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:21,840
or AI whatever to take the notes. And
when I tell you it takes every word, it

1386
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:26,560
will say I am uh the uh and then then
it's up to I feel like it I think it's a

1387
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:29,920
good idea, but I don't know if it's
adding more leg work.

1388
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:32,639
» Give me an overview like you can say and
it'll give you it won't go to I know

1389
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:36,880
what you're
>> sometimes you'll do a motion and a

1390
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:41,679
substitute motion and in the minutes the
motion that took the action if I'm

1391
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:45,920
correct Emma is what gets recorded. And
so if we were to record that and post

1392
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:48,639
that, you would have it would be
confusing for people to read in my

1393
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:53,119
opinion.
>> You can dump you can actually get in

1394
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:57,199
there and give just like an you can say
give an overview of each topic and it'll

1395
01:59:55,119 --> 02:00:00,159
just hit you with like the the main
points and the because we've I mean

1396
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:02,800
we've used them at [clears throat] the
school before,

1397
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:04,239
» but that's what it hear from what it
hears. Correct.

1398
02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:08,400
» Correct.
>> Well, I mean so that goes back to our

1399
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:13,440
our main issue. Wouldn't it be through
the microphones? And and I'm guilty of

1400
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:17,920
it, not speaking clearly into the
microphone from time to time, you know?

1401
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:21,360
So, I just I'm going, hey, if we're
going to do something, let's let's make

1402
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:27,440
sure we're spending the money, right?
You know, and if it means us filming it,

1403
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:31,679
then film it. But I just want to make
sure again, if we're spending money,

1404
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:35,440
it's for the right reasons.
>> I love when people say spending money

1405
02:00:33,679 --> 02:00:41,040
for the right reasons. You're singing my
my song there. Um and I I support that

1406
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:44,480
and I just I just think that we this is
a matter of discussion amongst the

1407
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:49,520
board. We need to come up with some type
of plan that we can do it cost

1408
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:52,960
effectively. Um the number of people um
you know there's not a lot of people

1409
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:58,560
that look at it. Not people are not
interested in it but I submit that there

1410
02:00:55,679 --> 02:01:02,960
are some people out there that that that
uh would it would be a benefit and and

1411
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:06,880
we can bring that subscribership up if
we got them engaged in the city. I think

1412
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:11,920
our attendance and our meetings are are
up and that's a good thing. And um so

1413
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:17,280
any well anyway from transparency
standpoint I I just think we need to to

1414
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:21,760
look at ways that we can accomplish this
cost-effectively. I totally agree with

1415
02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:28,159
you. Well, and and just saying that too
is in the past, you know, being

1416
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:34,639
multiple terms, I used to go to it and
at that point in time I was told,

1417
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:39,280
listen, my being there can sway a vote
and I have an appointment there and so I

1418
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:45,280
shouldn't be at those meetings. That was
that was from our our legal advice at

1419
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:50,800
the time, not uh not Steve, but you
know, so how do we fix it and just cost

1420
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:53,040
effectively that that's what I would
like to

1421
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:56,880
» Right. So we we got a motion on the
table to buy the new IT equipment.

1422
02:01:55,280 --> 02:02:00,480
» That's
just gives them even if they don't a

1423
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:06,239
reference for them to go back without
having to go watch the video and they

1424
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:10,639
can look at a complete transcript of
and

1425
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:13,520
» and it's like 150 bucks. I'm just saying
were you because your issue of the

1426
02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:16,960
minutes being
>> which I agree with.

1427
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:20,719
» It's a mistake. I see them over here
like frantically writing. I think that's

1428
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:25,040
just a backup that they don't have to go
watch a video for and it's like I said

1429
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:29,679
it's like I think 150 bucks I would say.
>> So who's the person going to be

1430
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:32,480
operating this equipment?
Pardon?

1431
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:35,920
» I mean, you're basically saying you have
to go to every Thursday. Every Thursday

1432
02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:37,920
meeting is a planning commission
meeting. Somebody saddled with that

1433
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:41,520
response.
>> Take the minutes clerks of that meeting.

1434
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:45,360
» Whoever I mean, you could just hand it
just you just it's this big. It hooks on

1435
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:49,280
your phone. It takes like two seconds.
>> How will it on a layout like we have

1436
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,960
here?
>> It'll hear you.

1437
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:52,000
» It will hear.
>> It'll hear you.

1438
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:55,679
» All right.
>> Uh let me make one other point. I was

1439
02:02:54,000 --> 02:03:00,400
talking to Kenny before the meeting just
for a few minutes and he was talking

1440
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:04,960
about possibly having some students that
could get involved from a learning

1441
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:09,599
perspective. Maybe that's an option we
could explore with Kenny and see if if

1442
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:11,679
maybe we can do this and do it cost
effectively.

1443
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:15,440
» They're vote.
>> They're [clears throat] vote. Yeah,

1444
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:18,880
exactly. So this could be a great way
just like you know some of our votech

1445
02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:22,320
people doing oil changes and we talked
about maybe that we now we understand

1446
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:26,159
why we can't do that but we have some
resources within the city that we can

1447
02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:30,880
probably draw down upon at a very
reasonable uh cost to get this

1448
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:36,320
accomplished so it's worth
>> do it at a very discounted rate

1449
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:39,599
» so very very cheap make another
substitute motion I think these are all

1450
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:43,440
great ideas I think we should
>> well I don't think you can go in with

1451
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:45,920
another
major motion in the substitute. So, we

1452
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:50,159
got to vote on
>> I just think it's if we just record

1453
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:53,040
them. I mean, that's not like a new
technology. I I feel like

1454
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:55,760
» your motion.
>> We're talk We're all talking about Kenny

1455
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:57,040
can tell us in two seconds what we need
to

1456
02:03:56,159 --> 02:04:00,320
» fly camera in here.
>> Not to put you on [laughter] the spot.

1457
02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:02,239
» Are you going to withdraw your motion?
>> No. I think

1458
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,159
» motions on the table.
>> Y'all need that for meetings and

1459
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:06,560
everything.
>> Wouldn't hurt to have one here.

1460
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:12,080
» I have one question. You said it
connects to a phone.

1461
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:15,520
» Yeah. So, we would buy a phone that has
>> Y'all don't have an iPad here.

1462
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:20,080
» Yes,
>> we don't have iPads.

1463
02:04:17,599 --> 02:04:23,760
» There's $160,000.
>> I can't help you. Never mind.

1464
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:25,840
» I I take my motion away.
>> All right.

1465
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:29,119
» The motion has died.
>> I'll make a substitute motion that we

1466
02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:31,920
table this and we each come up with some
new ideas before the next meeting

1467
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:35,199
because I think it's a great idea and
come up with some ideas and present at

1468
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:39,679
the next board meeting.
>> I second that.

1469
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:41,040
So, the motion is to take no motion. All
in favor?

1470
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:46,800
» I I
>> All oppose. Motion carries. Next one is

1471
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:51,040
uh departmental business mayor's office.
Uh

1472
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:56,080
like I told y'all earlier, the gateway
is real close to being open. We're

1473
02:04:53,599 --> 02:05:00,639
waiting for plants to come in down
there. They started on the southern

1474
02:04:57,599 --> 02:05:04,639
quay, which is the I think that's going
really the last part of the major cement

1475
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:10,880
that's going to be poured. They started
that last night around 3:00. Uh so

1476
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:15,280
everything's running on schedule. Uh
Gateway is looking good. So

1477
02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:20,480
we'll be letting y'all know here real
soon uh when we're going to open up the

1478
02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:26,480
gates to the Gateway project. That's all
I have. Next one is uh personnel police

1479
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:30,560
department one rehire and five step
increases. Can I get

1480
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:34,880
» Mayor? I'd like to make a motion that uh
we pull the rehire from the police

1481
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:40,080
department as well as the next agenda
item, the rehire for the fire department

1482
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:43,840
and take that matter up into executive
session. And I don't have a problem with

1483
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:45,760
doing that after the meeting at the
conclusion if that's the pleasure of the

1484
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:48,880
board.
>> That's you're just asking on the police

1485
02:05:47,599 --> 02:05:52,159
department to remove [snorts] the
rehire.

1486
02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:55,440
» Just the rehire police and fire.
>> All right. We'll do them one at a time.

1487
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:58,880
So, we got a motion to on the police
department to accept the fivest step

1488
02:05:57,679 --> 02:06:02,719
increases.
>> Second. Got a second. Any more

1489
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:06,800
discussion? All in favor?
>> All oppose? Fire department.

1490
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:09,040
» You're wanting to remove the
>> remove the rehire and approve the

1491
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:13,119
fivestep increase.
>> Can I get a motion to approve the

1492
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:14,000
fivestep increases?
>> Motion.

1493
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:17,599
» Second.
>> Motion second. Any discussion? All in

1494
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:22,960
favor?
>> All oppose? Motion carries. Now, we'll

1495
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:24,960
go back to the rehire. Uh, how do we
want to handle? Did you say you want to

1496
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:28,960
go in?
>> We can go in executive session now or we

1497
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:31,199
can wait till the conclusion of the
meeting, whatever.

1498
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:33,679
» I think we take it now.
>> Let's go.

1499
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:35,199
» So, is that a motion to go in executive
session?

1500
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:37,119
» Second.
>> Second.

1501
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:39,520
» All in favor?
>> All oppose? Motion carries.

1502
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:42,520
» We're going to make me take two
bathrooms.

1503
02:35:42,560 --> 02:35:48,240
Motion to come out of executive session.
No action taken.

1504
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:54,000
» Motion second. All in favor? I.
>> All oppose. Motion carries. Now we're

1505
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:57,520
back to police department rehire. Can I
get a motion?

1506
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:58,800
» Motion to rehire for the uh police
department.

1507
02:35:58,479 --> 02:36:02,399
» Second.
>> Motion to rehire. Second. Any

1508
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:05,040
discussion? All in favor?
>> I.

1509
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:08,800
» All oppose. Motion carries. fire
department rehire. Can I get a motion?

1510
02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:15,680
» Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we
table this item uh and any subsequent

1511
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:20,479
PERS retirees that wish to return to
either the police or fire department

1512
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:27,359
until such time as we have a policy in
place that governs the legislation that

1513
02:36:23,359 --> 02:36:32,399
we the uh that was adopted in Jackson on
July 1st. So, uh, until we have a policy

1514
02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:36,479
in place, governor, I'll say we table
that rehire because he's a pers retiree.

1515
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:39,359
» All right. And then you have individuals
that you want to put on that.

1516
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:40,960
» We have to second.
>> Do we have a second?

1517
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:43,600
» Second.
>> All right. Do you have anybody you want

1518
02:36:42,399 --> 02:36:49,280
to put on that committee to
>> I would uh I would like to uh have M

1519
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:53,920
alderman McCaffrey and Alderman Bond uh
join me in in reviewing a policy to see

1520
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:56,240
if some we can come up with something.
>> All right. So, we got that motion on the

1521
02:36:55,359 --> 02:37:01,399
table.
>> Got a second.

1522
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:01,399
Second. Any discussion?

1523
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:08,560
» Yes.
>> Going to include the department heads.

1524
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:11,120
Correct.
>> Yes. Yes.

1525
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:14,560
» All in favor?
>> I.

1526
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:18,240
» All oppose. Motion carries.
>> All right. Do we have any? Let's see. We

1527
02:37:16,319 --> 02:37:19,840
got a library retirement. Can I get a
motion?

1528
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:21,760
» Motion.
>> Second.

1529
02:37:20,399 --> 02:37:26,240
» Second. Any discussion?
>> Discussion. Just thanking them for their

1530
02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:30,800
service. What for the city? Tina's
Tina's mom, right?

1531
02:37:28,640 --> 02:37:33,600
» Yeah. Yeah. She was a real good
employee.

1532
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:37,920
All in favor?
>> I.

1533
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:41,760
» All oppose? Motion carry. City clerk.
>> Fire department.

1534
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:48,960
» Yes, sir. I have something I need to
make y'all aware of. Um,

1535
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:57,120
found out today uh Miss Emma and I did
um we spoke to Stephen Omera from SNPG.

1536
02:37:54,479 --> 02:38:01,760
» You got it.
and the

1537
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:07,840
fire truck
loan or leasey, however it was put that

1538
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:13,520
y'all voted on in the second meeting in
July and approved

1539
02:38:10,319 --> 02:38:19,359
um to go for the
4.79%

1540
02:38:16,319 --> 02:38:24,720
10-year loan term
uh with Bank of the Ozark.

1541
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:32,560
Um, apparently
the guy that placed that offer to us uh

1542
02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:36,640
was not authorized to do so.
>> Wow.

1543
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:42,240
» So, what they've come back and counter
offered

1544
02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:46,880
is uh do a seven-year term with a
balloon note at the end if we want to

1545
02:38:44,319 --> 02:38:53,359
stay with the same paper.
Or you'all know as well as I do, we can

1546
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:53,359
put it back out for bit.

1547
02:38:53,840 --> 02:39:00,080
That is left up to y'all.
>> That's 7.49 for

1548
02:38:58,319 --> 02:39:05,920
seven years with the balloon
>> a three year balloon payment at the end.

1549
02:39:03,200 --> 02:39:11,200
Now I I thought about it for a few for a
little bit after he called me today. I

1550
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:16,160
don't know where
the rebate money will be in in seven

1551
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:23,359
years. I don't you know I don't know how
much it may go up.

1552
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:27,359
there there's no way to figure. So I I
don't know if that money would be there

1553
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:31,600
for a balloon payment. So it would still
be on whoever's in y'all's place.

1554
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:37,200
» Figure it out
>> to either refinance it for three years

1555
02:39:34,319 --> 02:39:39,520
or make the balloon payment
>> or you could refinance a balloon

1556
02:39:38,720 --> 02:39:43,415
payment.
>> That's what I'm saying. Refinance those

1557
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:48,160
last three years to turn it into
[cough and clears throat] a 10year. So

1558
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:52,240
there is no 10-year option with the not
with land.

1559
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:57,960
» He was not allowed to do that. What he
did and I guess he probably didn't

1560
02:39:54,560 --> 02:39:57,960
understand it.

1561
02:39:58,399 --> 02:40:05,600
» Wasn't if I'm trying to jog my memory,
wasn't the 4.79 10year

1562
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:08,800
» a change from something they originally
offered us the first time?

1563
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:13,520
» It was. This seems to this is at least
the third time

1564
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:17,520
that they have changed the terms on us
which is concerning to me why they can't

1565
02:40:16,319 --> 02:40:20,319
seem to
>> something I was going to ask you.

1566
02:40:19,359 --> 02:40:27,439
» Yeah.
>> Was we we had a contract that was signed

1567
02:40:23,439 --> 02:40:31,680
by the mayor on the 22nd of July. I
>> mean they offered they made an they

1568
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:34,399
extended an offer which we accepted. I
don't know why they just say

1569
02:40:32,541 --> 02:40:37,120
[clears throat] now
we're not really going to go in long

1570
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:40,160
with that. the guy didn't have authority
that I don't think is this board's a

1571
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:42,720
problem. Quite frankly,
>> shouldn't punish us for their mistakes.

1572
02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:46,080
» I would like the opportunity to have
that conversation with Mr. Omar.

1573
02:40:44,800 --> 02:40:49,520
» I agree with that. Yeah.
>> I'll make the motion that Steve reach

1574
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:52,640
out to this company.
>> Heck in second. [laughter]

1575
02:40:51,280 --> 02:40:55,280
» Any more discussion?
>> You're just like, we changed our mind.

1576
02:40:54,479 --> 02:40:59,200
That's not going to work.
>> Yeah, I didn't feel good about it.

1577
02:40:56,479 --> 02:41:04,880
Matter of fact, I dug the the paperwork
up that mayor signed and it was on July

1578
02:41:02,399 --> 02:41:10,080
22nd. So, I don't I don't know if this
binds legal contract or or what?

1579
02:41:09,359 --> 02:41:13,040
» Let's find out.
>> All right. All in favor of let uh

1580
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:17,520
» Mr.
>> Yes.

1581
02:41:13,439 --> 02:41:21,840
» clarify that motion. The motion is
>> well to investigate the contract

1582
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:26,160
» South Mississippi Planning Development.
>> Stephen Omera and uh

1583
02:41:23,439 --> 02:41:29,200
» and get an explanation of the financing
agreement problem.

1584
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:31,840
» Is that your motion?
>> Yes, sir. I have a second.

1585
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:33,040
» Yes.
>> Second.

1586
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:36,640
» All in favor?
>> I oppose. Motion carries. Pete second.

1587
02:41:35,920 --> 02:41:38,479
Sorry.
>> Okay. [clears throat] All right. Next

1588
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:40,399
one is
>> verification.

1589
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:43,937
» Fire department.
>> Fire department.

1590
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:46,720
» Police department. Are you done?
[laughter]

1591
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:53,600
» What do you want? Go ahead.
>> He's not ready to go home yet.

1592
02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:56,640
» All right. Go ahead and [laughter] talk.
>> I just wanted

1593
02:41:54,479 --> 02:42:02,880
» I'm getting dizzy. Hurry up. Just wanted
to uh give give the guys at ADOY um they

1594
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:09,200
started you know we do hydrants every
year flow test and maintenance and all.

1595
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:16,240
Um this year we are
um going to repaint from the CSX

1596
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:21,920
railroad track south this year. Um, I
had a guy donate a small trailer for use

1597
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:28,399
and a water container and we've been
able to borrow the six-wheeler from H2O.

1598
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:35,439
They've gone around and pressure washed
the ones that we are going to paint. Um,

1599
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:41,120
we're also in partners with H2O on this
whole project. We are supplying the

1600
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:48,319
labor and they are supplying the paint.
So, um, we're going to move to the next

1601
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:52,000
area. Uh, every year we were doing that.
>> Awesome. Excellent.

1602
02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:57,680
» So, um, I just wanted to give her give
those guys a shout out and and H2O also.

1603
02:42:56,640 --> 02:42:59,200
» Thank you, Mike, for working.
>> Appreciate it.

1604
02:42:58,319 --> 02:43:01,200
» Yeah. Thank you.
>> Are you done?

1605
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:02,399
» I am done now.
>> Sit down.

1606
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:06,080
» Thank you.
>> Police department.

1607
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:13,439
» Just real quick, two things. uh
compliment my patrol division on a uh

1608
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:18,258
successful start of a a school year with
the traffic. It was a challenging with

1609
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:23,040
the change in the schools and times
[clears throat and snorts] and I think

1610
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:27,840
we they did a really good job of working
with uh Mr. Roage and the transportation

1611
02:43:25,920 --> 02:43:33,680
at the school. So, I just want to give
them a shout out and uh it was mentioned

1612
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:36,399
earlier about Night Out Against Crime.
just go ahead and put it on. It's a

1613
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:42,479
Friday this year. It's going to be
October 16th. So, appreciate all y'all

1614
02:43:39,840 --> 02:43:46,640
coming down there evening. And if you
know of any community partners that may

1615
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:49,520
want to set a booth up, please contact
us. [snorts]

1616
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:52,160
» Right.
>> Thank you.

1617
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:56,248
» That it chief
>> engineering

1618
02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:57,920
notes.
[clears throat]

1619
02:43:56,903 --> 02:44:02,160
[laughter]
First item that I've got is this uh code

1620
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:08,800
revisions, suggested ordinance revisions
to to really

1621
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:10,560
» maybe close the loophole that we just
>> motion perhaps identify.

1622
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:14,240
» Second.
>> We got a motion and a second. Any

1623
02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:17,200
discussion?
>> All in favor?

1624
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:19,279
» All opposed?
>> Motion carries.

1625
02:44:19,173 --> 02:44:24,960
[clears throat]
>> Uh next item is corrective action letter

1626
02:44:21,439 --> 02:44:29,439
number four from DEQ for our MCU ARPA
project number 425.

1627
02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:32,960
They've sent this letter. They actually
acknowledge that we've already taken the

1628
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:36,479
required corrective actions, but they're
just asking us to acknowledge that that

1629
02:44:34,960 --> 02:44:38,640
these needed to be done.
>> Then I need the authority to sign.

1630
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:41,120
» Motion.
>> Motion.

1631
02:44:38,960 --> 02:44:46,080
» Motion second. Any discussion?
>> All in favor?

1632
02:44:42,399 --> 02:44:51,200
» All oppose? Motion carries.
>> Uh the next one, and I should pass this

1633
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:57,840
out already, but it's change order two,
I believe, for the the all repairs. And

1634
02:44:55,359 --> 02:45:01,359
it's really this letter is very much the
same as the as the one you've already

1635
02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:04,560
got. [cough]
It doesn't include the change order. I

1636
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:08,720
really just want to make sure we get
this spread as the additional letter to

1637
02:45:06,640 --> 02:45:12,479
the city. Look at the key change here in
my opinion

1638
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:17,279
» that we're [clears throat] doing some
language that Mima has suggested which

1639
02:45:14,319 --> 02:45:22,240
is that these changes the electrical
revisions and the um the structural

1640
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:28,240
connections for our peers are a codes
and standard upgrade or a codes and

1641
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:33,680
standard requirement and and those will
help in terms of MIMA and FEMA

1642
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:36,240
acceptance and reimbursement.
It's a motion. [clears throat]

1643
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:37,680
» Second.
>> Motion.

1644
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:41,200
» Second.
>> Just quick discussion. This is no

1645
02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:44,000
different than what was in our packet.
Right.

1646
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:46,960
» It It's That's right. The only thing
that's different is the letter I just

1647
02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:50,080
gave, not the change order itself. Just
the letter and it has some slightly

1648
02:45:48,640 --> 02:45:53,840
different language about codes and
standards. So, that'll be what gets

1649
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:57,120
spread in the minutes. That was actually
a request from MIMA is spread it in

1650
02:45:55,760 --> 02:46:00,080
your, you know, put that kind of
language in your minutes.

1651
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:02,800
» Got it. I just want
>> motion. All right. All in favor?

1652
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:04,880
» I did I not give you
>> all opposed?

1653
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:07,840
» Motion carries.
>> I will get you one. I'm sorry.

1654
02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:13,600
» Emma, I got it for you.
>> Project close out.

1655
02:46:09,920 --> 02:46:17,920
» Yes, sir. Um project closeout. This is
Daughtery Apartments pump station.

1656
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:21,920
Project is is completed. We're
satisfied. We've been through a a normal

1657
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:24,080
punch list process. Everything's ready
to go.

1658
02:46:22,960 --> 02:46:27,040
» So move.
>> Second.

1659
02:46:24,720 --> 02:46:30,720
» Any discussion? All in favor?
>> All oppose? Motion carries. Next one is

1660
02:46:29,359 --> 02:46:33,760
another project closeout.
>> Yep. Parkwood pump station. Same same as

1661
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:35,279
before.
>> I move.

1662
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:37,439
» Second.
>> Second. All in favor?

1663
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:40,160
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carries. Another

1664
02:46:39,439 --> 02:46:44,585
close out.
>> Latil pump station. Same as before.

1665
02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:46,399
» So move. Second.
[clears throat and cough]

1666
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:49,120
» Discussion. All in favor?
>> I.

1667
02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:52,800
» All oppose. Motion carries. Another
project close out.

1668
02:46:50,800 --> 02:46:55,920
» Pinerest circle area drainage
improvements. That's right. Same as

1669
02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:58,479
before. Everything's completed.
>> Move. Second.

1670
02:46:56,960 --> 02:47:00,560
» Motion. Second. [clears throat] Any
discussion? All in favor?

1671
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:06,080
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carries. David, y'all

1672
02:47:03,200 --> 02:47:08,479
did a f outstanding job making sure
these things are

1673
02:47:06,960 --> 02:47:10,880
» I was just about to say he's he said
they were going to come in on time. All

1674
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:14,240
these stations.
>> We're not quite there. Yeah. But

1675
02:47:12,750 --> 02:47:19,520
[laughter] they're coming on in. We're
getting there. We're almost there.

1676
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:23,520
» Next one is asphalt patch and striping
on project close out.

1677
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:27,359
» Another close out for
>> Rosalie Drive. That also everything's

1678
02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:30,560
good to go. Second. Second.
>> Motion. Second. Any discussion? All in

1679
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:35,200
favor? I.
>> All oppose? Motion carries. Asphalt

1680
02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:39,760
patch and striping on Klondike Road.
>> Yeah, this is that that patched area

1681
02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:44,640
that that was cut on Klondike Road. We I
think we had a water man failure. It's

1682
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:50,240
ready to be repaired. We estimate 10,000
or I'm sorry 11,000 to repair that by

1683
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:55,120
our normal turn bid asphalt contractor
and and probably another 10 to do

1684
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:59,520
striping. We're still waiting on that
kind of better estimate from the county,

1685
02:47:57,279 --> 02:48:03,520
but we we think 10 is is an upside.
Probably won't be any more than that.

1686
02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:06,720
So, if y'all want to do that repair via
our normal process the way we've been

1687
02:48:05,200 --> 02:48:09,120
doing these lately, that's
>> the intersection of um

1688
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:12,720
» right there by Plus.
>> Yeah. By the [snorts]

1689
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:15,760
» asked about that daily.
>> We thought about paving towards

1690
02:48:14,339 --> 02:48:19,562
[clears throat]
>> Heinville right there. that that road

1691
02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:21,600
hasn't been
[clears throat]

1692
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:26,160
» while we're paving the extra tonnage
might get the price

1693
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:29,840
» paving towards the west.
>> We can we can we can include it. You're

1694
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:32,479
not going to really gain any
efficiencies in terms of the money.

1695
02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:38,160
» Look, same thing you
>> I was think maybe tying it in it might

1696
02:48:34,960 --> 02:48:41,040
» just look liquor store and the little
short little oak tree.

1697
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:44,240
» Yes.
>> Horrible

1698
02:48:42,960 --> 02:48:45,840
just to look.
>> We can bring that back at the next

1699
02:48:45,439 --> 02:48:49,359
meeting.
>> Yeah. just see if a bit of you know it

1700
02:48:47,439 --> 02:48:52,160
may go same it may be the same because
of the tonnage let's just right that's

1701
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:56,960
what I was thinking tonnage
>> it won't really affect I mean we're

1702
02:48:54,080 --> 02:49:02,160
we're kind of working in the range of
the this the medium

1703
02:48:59,279 --> 02:49:06,000
» bid price and so you know we we won't
get out of that for another thousand

1704
02:49:04,399 --> 02:49:09,120
tons so we're not going to get a better
price per ton on this one but if you

1705
02:49:07,840 --> 02:49:12,880
want to if so if you want to go forward
with Klondike we could do that or we

1706
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:16,800
could come back next time with a with a
estimate for both Klondike and that

1707
02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:21,120
little piece of be done at the same time
to possibly save money on tonnage.

1708
02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:25,040
» I it won't save any money.
>> All right. So then

1709
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:29,520
» then then I would just approve it. Yeah.
>> Motion to asphalt patch and striping

1710
02:49:27,600 --> 02:49:30,560
Klondike Road. Do I have a motion to
approve?

1711
02:49:30,080 --> 02:49:33,200
» Motion.
>> Second.

1712
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:34,160
» Second. Any further discussion? All in
favor?

1713
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:37,439
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carries. Next one is

1714
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:40,960
the long char [clears throat]
platforms.

1715
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:45,120
» Yeah, I'll I'll offer just a few
comments. Andrew Corp led a pretty

1716
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:50,640
healthy charge and and the mayor too
with Borise. They've offered a pretty

1717
02:49:47,439 --> 02:49:55,760
substantial credit uh and and negotiated
reduced offer and I think Randall may

1718
02:49:54,319 --> 02:50:01,439
have a letter which y'all which y'all
have and and I think that that estimate

1719
02:49:57,840 --> 02:50:04,880
got down to uh a number that's a whole
lot closer to our original budget and I

1720
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:09,840
think Randall has some suggested like
what's your next course of action stuff

1721
02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:14,960
in his letter.
>> You want to talk to it Randall?

1722
02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:18,720
I do appreciate both [snorts] Over
Street and [clears throat]

1723
02:50:16,240 --> 02:50:23,920
uh Andy Court was both in there
negotiating good for the city and and I

1724
02:50:20,960 --> 02:50:28,000
think uh it came out good for the city.
>> Yeah. So, we met with at the mayor's

1725
02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:32,800
office on August 13th with
representatives from Dave Bores uh about

1726
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:39,359
an hourong conversation, several
different things. Um, the result was he

1727
02:50:35,439 --> 02:50:45,040
offered us a $167,800
credit or deduct, however you want to

1728
02:50:41,680 --> 02:50:52,120
say it, which is roughly 5.6%
reduction. Um, so the revised contract

1729
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:52,120
amount would be $2,830,895.

1730
02:50:54,479 --> 02:51:02,080
Uh, it's our suggestion that that you
could recommend approval. Um just for

1731
02:50:59,920 --> 02:51:04,960
the time base it's going to be it's also
might want to make known that it is a

1732
02:51:03,439 --> 02:51:10,319
unit price job so you're only going to
pay for what we install. Uh Bores is

1733
02:51:07,898 --> 02:51:13,840
[snorts] also doing the all FEMA repair.
So with them doing both there are going

1734
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:19,040
to be increased efficiencies and stuff
we will not have to do like termination

1735
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:22,240
boxes. They can just do a full run. We
can't quantify that right now because

1736
02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:27,548
we're not allowed to mess with any of
the stuff inside the bid. But later on

1737
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:32,960
once we identify later on
[clears throat] we can but this is as

1738
02:51:29,680 --> 02:51:37,359
much as we can do right now. Um so I
kind of outlined my understanding of the

1739
02:51:35,439 --> 02:51:43,520
procurement process and what needs to be
done next officially. Um, so we got to

1740
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:48,960
recognize the original bid at the
original amount, acknowledge the

1741
02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:53,840
negotiated deduction, uh, obviously
accept it, uh, and know award the

1742
02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:59,120
contract and then authorizes to proceed
with the execution of the contract. Mr.

1743
02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:03,840
T, you can correct me if I misspoke on
any of this. U, but that's our

1744
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:07,680
suggestion. Otherwise, you could lose
anywhere from 2 to 3 months. And we

1745
02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:12,080
really need to get this project started
no later than October so that we can

1746
02:52:09,840 --> 02:52:20,920
have the harbor back operational for
next boating season, summer.

1747
02:52:15,760 --> 02:52:20,920
» So, we got a a motion to exhibit

1748
02:52:27,840 --> 02:52:31,520
to I guess I authority to sign. We got a
motion.

1749
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:34,000
» Second.
>> Second. Any other discussion? All in

1750
02:52:33,439 --> 02:52:36,960
favor?
>> I.

1751
02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:39,120
» All oppose? Motion carries.
>> Public works.

1752
02:52:38,479 --> 02:52:40,479
» Yes. I just
>> Thank you, Rand.

1753
02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:42,874
» Thanks, Rand.
>> Thanks, Rand.

1754
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:47,600
» I just need to ask the board's
[clears throat] permission to um

1755
02:52:44,479 --> 02:52:52,000
advertise for our next annual bids. Um
come for that time. So, I need to

1756
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:54,960
advertise for those.
>> So, move.

1757
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:59,680
» Can you just reiterate which ones we bid
out? No, it's asphalt.

1758
02:52:56,720 --> 02:53:04,880
» Asphalt, chlorine, uh, water parts,
sewer parts, polyethylene pipe,

1759
02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:10,240
concrete.
>> I believe that's all of them.

1760
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:11,520
» Just wanted to make sure
motion [clears throat]

1761
02:53:10,880 --> 02:53:14,800
» second.
>> Second. Any further discussion? All in

1762
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:17,359
favor?
>> Oppos?

1763
02:53:16,319 --> 02:53:23,040
» Recreation.
>> Uh, just two things. Uh, the trees that

1764
02:53:20,399 --> 02:53:27,040
Autumn McGuey and y'all
approved to be trimmed were done. So

1765
02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:32,000
today the dead is that cut out of them
if you want to go look. And the new

1766
02:53:28,720 --> 02:53:34,160
guard rails are up and look really good.
[clears throat]

1767
02:53:32,479 --> 02:53:38,200
» Awesome. Thank you.
>> Where's the guard rails at?

1768
02:53:38,880 --> 02:53:41,600
» Handrails.
>> It does look good.

1769
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:43,439
» It does.
>> Thank you.

1770
02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:49,739
» Austin did a good job with that.
>> Building building office.

1771
02:53:46,080 --> 02:53:49,739
» We have nothing to say. [laughter]

1772
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:55,080
» It's a good thing. Uh Harvard

1773
02:53:55,920 --> 02:54:03,680
And I tell you just [laughter]
>> just a quick quick update. Last night at

1774
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:08,479
3:00 they started pay they started
putting the cement in the southern quay.

1775
02:54:06,399 --> 02:54:12,160
So what they're doing is as you come in
from the west on the west side of

1776
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:16,319
southern quay. Once they do it they're
done. So they're moving their way east.

1777
02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:18,560
And y'all need to get in there and take
a look at it. Does look good.

1778
02:54:18,505 --> 02:54:22,479
[clears throat]
>> I'm not going at 3.

1779
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:27,439
» Not not at 3 a.m. last night.
>> No you won't. All right. Uh Courtney,

1780
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:31,200
community affairs.
>> Um I just wanted to note that with all

1781
02:54:29,920 --> 02:54:35,120
the personnel, we've had a lot of people
who are retiring or leaving. So we have

1782
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:39,200
a lot of positions that are open and
those close on Monday. So you only have

1783
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:42,319
that short window. So if y'all know of
anybody that would like to apply for

1784
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:45,200
those positions or if you'll share the
city's Facebook post, we'll get some

1785
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:48,720
applicants. We've had a lot of people
call, a lot of people come and get

1786
02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:51,359
applications, but the more the marrier.
>> I have a qu I have a question.

1787
02:54:49,945 --> 02:54:56,160
[clears throat] Where what about job
descriptions, Courtney? Are they listed?

1788
02:54:53,760 --> 02:55:00,319
» They are not on the website. I only post
what I'm given, but you can ask for them

1789
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:02,240
if they want to come up and ask for it.
>> And they can apply online as well, can't

1790
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:05,120
they?
>> Correct. And then just turn it in on

1791
02:55:03,359 --> 02:55:08,399
person in person.
>> Someone needs the job description and

1792
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:10,240
ask for it.
>> And you can call and ask for the pay

1793
02:55:09,596 --> 02:55:14,240
[clears throat] because I think
>> Can we Can we post that out there if you

1794
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:16,479
need a job description? Can is that okay
to post that?

1795
02:55:15,359 --> 02:55:20,880
» I would have to ask civil service
because I don't know,

1796
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:23,279
» but I can ask. It doesn't hurt to ask. I
think he's saying that they can call

1797
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:25,040
come and get a job description.
>> Yeah, he's asking if I can post it

1798
02:55:24,479 --> 02:55:26,399
online.
>> The actual job description.

1799
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:29,120
» Yeah,
>> he's asking if he can post it online.

1800
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:32,000
» No, no,
>> he's asking if I can like the city.

1801
02:55:30,560 --> 02:55:35,920
» Yeah, I'm just wondering if if you know
when someone looks at a job, they need

1802
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:39,279
to know what the job entails. What is
this job? And I would think they would

1803
02:55:37,520 --> 02:55:43,279
want to look at that prior to filling an
application out because they may not be

1804
02:55:41,040 --> 02:55:46,160
qualified for the job.
>> I mean, look into that.

1805
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:52,000
» Okay. All right.
>> All right. Uh any Derelick properties?

1806
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:55,920
» Yes. you a report from city attorney.
>> Uh, believe it or not, we need a short

1807
02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:58,640
executive session to discuss West Wall
lease.

1808
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:01,760
» All right,
>> I'll make that motion.

1809
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:05,927
» In a second.
>> All in favor?

1810
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:10,240
» I You want to let them go?
>> [laughter]

1811
02:56:07,600 --> 02:56:10,240
» Hey, y'all can

1812
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:54,080
I have a motion to adjurnn.
>> I move.

1813
03:10:52,319 --> 03:11:01,720
» Now you can go Patrick.
>> All right.

1814
03:10:55,760 --> 03:11:01,720
» Real quick, I did guys. I wanted to make